**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Aug 22 02:59:57 2009 Aug 22 03:00:14 I think I'm going to go with double-tap gesture area for keyboard Aug 22 03:03:56 Anyone done any changing to the Palm Apps already on the phone? Aug 22 03:04:34 Ikyo: what do you think all those patches on the wiki ARE? Aug 22 03:06:14 allo Aug 22 03:08:16 italiano: ssh only work when the screen is on or the pre is charging Aug 22 03:14:14 whats the best way to debug a var response = response.responseText.evalJSON(true); statement? Aug 22 03:14:31 hi having some trouble can someone please help me. Aug 22 03:16:35 tfink660: whats up? Aug 22 03:16:36 novaproxy told me to come here for help Aug 22 03:16:57 its saying novacomd not running Aug 22 03:17:06 all of a sudden was working for a while and then tonight i ge this message Aug 22 03:17:13 when i try and start novaproxy Aug 22 03:17:40 says its not running and to try and rerun novacominstaller or something Aug 22 03:18:00 dunno what happend. Aug 22 03:18:49 if it told you to jump off a cliff, would you ? Aug 22 03:19:16 anyhow... Aug 22 03:19:52 i havent used novaproxy personally, have you tried a reboot or tried running novacom manually? Aug 22 03:20:09 you should use novaterm ... Aug 22 03:20:44 but why you get that message sounds like novacomd is not running Aug 22 03:20:48 should check to make sure it is Aug 22 03:21:04 im really new to all of this. sorry to bug everyone. Aug 22 03:21:10 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Where_to_Get_Started Aug 22 03:21:22 im just not to sure i just followed the rooting a instructions a few eeks ago and am learning slowly Aug 22 03:21:49 lots of good info on that wiki .. great late night reading Aug 22 03:21:58 yah i had everything working... Aug 22 03:22:02 followed it for my pc. Aug 22 03:22:09 had it working with outty could access it. Aug 22 03:22:20 then tried to access it tonight.. matter of fact not too long ago. Aug 22 03:22:27 ever since i rooted my pre i only use ssh and sftp to access it Aug 22 03:22:40 once i get the touchstone that little usb cover can stay closed Aug 22 03:23:12 I just took the usb cover off, it was a PITA to deal with and I don't really care if I have a hole visible on the side of my phone Aug 22 03:23:15 i tried to access it using putty and the novaproxy thing like usual and it just said what o said above Aug 22 03:23:23 i dont know what to do to get back into it now. Aug 22 03:23:24 it's not a style accessory for me Aug 22 03:23:28 tried rebooting phone and pc. Aug 22 03:23:31 and that didnt work. Aug 22 03:23:55 is it connected to your pc tfink ? Aug 22 03:23:58 holy crap, MAG for ps3 is a huge download Aug 22 03:24:02 yes Aug 22 03:24:08 is dev mode turned on ? Aug 22 03:24:11 are you still in devmode? Aug 22 03:24:16 it is connected and in developer mode Aug 22 03:24:22 is novacomd running ? Aug 22 03:24:53 tfink660, when you're rebooting your phone it's ocnnected to the usb cable right? Aug 22 03:25:03 yes Aug 22 03:25:06 it is. Aug 22 03:25:12 connected to the phone when i rebooted it. Aug 22 03:25:17 ill do it again to be sure Aug 22 03:25:23 ah - so not sure if novacomd is running ? Aug 22 03:25:44 software was griping that novacomd isnt running Aug 22 03:25:48 no im not im re booting the phone to double check its in developer ode Aug 22 03:26:05 novacomd should be running on your host PC .. Aug 22 03:26:07 yes acdy thats what it said so im gonna try and see by rebooting it again so i know i did it while connected to cable Aug 22 03:26:12 dev mode turns it on for the phone Aug 22 03:26:30 So how cna i check for my pc? Aug 22 03:26:42 task manager ? Aug 22 03:26:50 device manager to make sure there is a novacom linux device connected ? Aug 22 03:27:15 i dont see any novacomd Aug 22 03:27:17 in there Aug 22 03:27:25 you should install it Aug 22 03:27:51 i thought it was ass i stated before i had all this working and then out of blue it stopped Aug 22 03:28:25 who you callin an ass? :) Aug 22 03:29:02 we get the worst treatment in here sometimes :) Aug 22 03:29:51 where can i redownload novacomd for my pc Aug 22 03:30:06 can someone tell me do I need to actually reinstall all of my apps after the webos doctor or can I copy the app folders back? Aug 22 03:30:09 you could read the getting started page :) Aug 22 03:30:28 eguy, reinstall all the apps Aug 22 03:30:48 @&*@ Aug 22 03:30:53 &@!@*$)@ Aug 22 03:30:55 lol Aug 22 03:30:58 see more cursing at us ;) Aug 22 03:31:03 hahahaha Aug 22 03:31:07 argh Aug 22 03:31:14 piece of crap webOS!!! Aug 22 03:31:24 I am gonna get an iPhone 3GS cause it is better! Aug 22 03:31:34 blasphemy Aug 22 03:32:33 My palm profile is not "Verified" Aug 22 03:32:40 so the updater app won't work Aug 22 03:33:09 clearly you want an iphone that only runs one app at a time Aug 22 03:33:10 i give up Aug 22 03:33:18 good ide Aug 22 03:33:19 a Aug 22 03:33:37 lol Aug 22 03:33:47 yup Aug 22 03:34:19 I can't do a partial reset Aug 22 03:34:28 I press it, the phone reboots and does nothing Aug 22 03:35:41 lol this shit is nuts Aug 22 03:35:43 for real Aug 22 03:36:03 Eguy: log into the palm website and change your password and email. Then you will have to reverify so it should work. Aug 22 03:36:15 Tried that Aug 22 03:36:23 still says unverified on the Pre Aug 22 03:36:39 did you verify the email that you got? Aug 22 03:36:49 Can someone please help me. I cant get novacomd running again. Aug 22 03:37:35 Yes I verified it Aug 22 03:37:45 I didn't try changing the password though Aug 22 03:37:51 I can try that I guess Aug 22 03:38:03 i see the palm novacom under the USB connections Aug 22 03:38:07 it just wont connect Aug 22 03:38:24 whats good Aug 22 03:38:53 the iPhone 3GS Aug 22 03:38:57 heh Aug 22 03:38:58 wow... Aug 22 03:39:01 lol Aug 22 03:39:16 i can say Aug 22 03:39:24 i threw my pre down a flight of stairs Aug 22 03:39:41 and its ok Aug 22 03:39:48 define threw Aug 22 03:40:01 catch my beer Aug 22 03:40:19 smash 14 steps below Aug 22 03:40:36 pretty much a throw Aug 22 03:40:54 heh Aug 22 03:41:25 lyko: Profile Status: Email Verified Aug 22 03:41:37 i -always- break phones Aug 22 03:41:52 tfink660: try pulling the battery and holding the up volume button as you put it back in Aug 22 03:42:14 o well Aug 22 03:42:48 * oc80z will be standing guard (sitting on irc) in the lobby , watchin all the sexy women of boston come and go Aug 22 03:43:06 btw, the motorola S9 is a steal off ebay for $20 Aug 22 03:43:10 Hello Aug 22 03:46:10 Has anyone done anything with charging status events? I'd like to write a script to set my AIM status to away when the phone is charging, so I don't receive messages on my phone when I'm on my computer Aug 22 03:54:59 hooray.. got my pre tonight.. Aug 22 03:55:21 i've been doing development on the emulator.. Aug 22 03:55:31 so i haven't been paying attention to the homebrew scene much.. Aug 22 03:55:47 what is the best way to install homebrew, and what is the current dev mode code? Aug 22 03:56:04 sevensoft: webos quick install and filecoaster Aug 22 03:56:23 k.. yeah.. i'm looking at webos quickinstall on precentral now.. Aug 22 03:56:30 newest WQI doesnt even require rooting Aug 22 03:56:34 how about the devmode code.. still the konami code? Aug 22 03:56:36 even for patches Aug 22 03:56:39 i thought i heard it was shorter now Aug 22 03:56:41 yep Aug 22 03:56:50 it's palmpre028902 or something Aug 22 03:57:01 sevensoft: yep, also, is it something like webos200908 or something like that Aug 22 03:57:14 ah yes Aug 22 03:58:36 crap! resetting my palm profile password didn't work Aug 22 03:58:42 &#*&@ Aug 22 03:58:49 webos doctor here I come Aug 22 03:59:21 heh Aug 22 03:59:27 one nice thing about the pre, impossible to brick Aug 22 03:59:49 Emon: without hardware damage, yeah it should be Aug 22 04:00:25 Emon: even if you kill bootie you just have to manage to USB-boot bootie (or another loader) via OMAP Aug 22 04:00:57 destinal, I asked about this before you came in, maybe you know something Aug 22 04:01:02 Has anyone done anything with charging status events? I'd like to write a script to set my AIM status to away when the phone is charging, so I don't receive messages on my phone when I'm on my computer Aug 22 04:01:24 Even more specifically, I only want to be away when I have a data connection, because I don't want to go away when charging in the car Aug 22 04:01:59 The problem is that my pre vibrating each time I message on AIM is annoying, and manually setting status is annoying and prone to error (forgetting) Aug 22 04:02:00 I'm not sure the pre has a way of detecting where it's being charged :p Aug 22 04:02:41 sure but can't it detect a host connection Aug 22 04:02:44 also, CoolMatty omg :) Aug 22 04:02:47 :p Aug 22 04:03:13 I believe there's a way to differentiate between wifi and evdo Aug 22 04:03:15 Emon: it should be possible Aug 22 04:03:16 if that's what you mean Aug 22 04:03:16 er, was that sarcasm? cause you get a notice when you plug it in Aug 22 04:03:38 Emon: have you tried connecting to wifi while monitoring dbus? Aug 22 04:03:48 yes, but it doesnt know it's in your car. so you'd have to go by wifi :p Aug 22 04:03:54 What I mean is, when I'm actively using my PC, I have an AIM client running and I don't need AIM to send messages to my Pre. When I'm out and about, I want to get messages on my Pre Aug 22 04:04:55 Emon: it may just be a matter of subscribing to those events Aug 22 04:05:00 if there are events on the bus already Aug 22 04:05:02 When you are logged in from multiple locations, AIM sends to the account that isn't away Aug 22 04:05:30 ok Aug 22 04:05:31 Emon: if there aren't events on the bus already, you'd have to find a way to put them there, so you'd need to make a service Aug 22 04:05:33 (unless all are away, in which case all of them get it) Aug 22 04:05:40 yes, CM Aug 22 04:06:07 I imagine it's on the bus Aug 22 04:06:08 i'd be shocked if there werent an event for wifi Aug 22 04:06:09 I haven't done much Pre development yet, so I just needed to be pointed in the right direction. Thanks Aug 22 04:06:18 CM, this has nothing to do with wifi Aug 22 04:06:18 the top status icons change after all Aug 22 04:06:35 well if you don't want it to go away in your car it is, emon Aug 22 04:06:43 I know Aug 22 04:06:49 if it's usb status there may be events there too Aug 22 04:07:03 and maybe different ones for a computer vs a dumb charger Aug 22 04:07:03 the update app can detect charge status Aug 22 04:07:23 I'm hoping there's an event to detect when it's connected to a host machine Aug 22 04:07:23 so there might be an event Aug 22 04:07:32 obviously the car charger wouldn't trigger that event Aug 22 04:07:41 let me see :) Aug 22 04:07:48 it has some voodoo going on with charging Aug 22 04:07:52 because it knows when it's on the touchstone Aug 22 04:08:12 like a hall effect sensor to detect the magnetic field? Aug 22 04:08:36 or maybe just detecting current on the contacts Aug 22 04:09:32 There are 3 types of charging, as far as I can tell - usb to power, usb to pc and puck Aug 22 04:09:47 mhmm Aug 22 04:09:54 on touchstone it'll keep the screen on Aug 22 04:10:02 <3 touchstone Aug 22 04:10:12 yeah there are a LOT of com.palm.power events Aug 22 04:10:43 type:usb, name: pc etc Aug 22 04:10:46 so yeah you can get it Aug 22 04:11:32 cool, thanks for checking that Aug 22 04:11:59 <3 touchstone Aug 22 04:12:08 Now the REAL trick is, how do I make it not do this when I'm at work and can't use aim on my work machine ;) Aug 22 04:12:25 go by IP of the wifi? Aug 22 04:12:33 I was half kidding Aug 22 04:12:34 sounds like you want it to read your mind... Aug 22 04:12:44 also Aug 22 04:12:46 just use gps :p Aug 22 04:13:00 By the time I get to work my AIM client on my PC will be set to away, and when both are away, all of them get messages Aug 22 04:13:13 Emon, looks like you want to assign a static IP at home, and when the pre is charging and has that IP... Aug 22 04:13:25 i recommend ssh tunnel and it is win at work Aug 22 04:13:35 guys I was kidding about the work thing Aug 22 04:13:42 night all Aug 22 04:13:43 like I said both accounts would be set away, so not an issue Aug 22 04:13:48 but thanks for the suggestions, hah Aug 22 04:13:49 obviously the best answer would be to just stop using your PC Aug 22 04:13:53 :p Aug 22 04:13:56 of course! Aug 22 04:14:09 use OTR and see where the issues really begin with aim on the pre =p Aug 22 04:14:10 heh, I frequently tunnel through my pre via USB to get around corporate firewall Aug 22 04:14:16 Er, am i allowed to say that here? Aug 22 04:14:27 So long as I don't say about how to do it? Aug 22 04:14:32 dunno are ur bosses in here Aug 22 04:14:38 I meant about the tethering Aug 22 04:14:45 night Aug 22 04:14:53 obviously you're on verizon, right emon? right? :p Aug 22 04:14:55 lots of people at work tether to get around the firewall Aug 22 04:15:01 Emon: heh Aug 22 04:15:12 It's a corporate firewall, not something from our company (the subsidiary) Aug 22 04:15:31 Emon: sounds like a bad thing for your company's security unless those are personal laptops but who am I to judge? Aug 22 04:15:44 It's really annoying when work related blogs are blocked Aug 22 04:15:55 yeah it also sounds like maybe a broken policy Aug 22 04:16:00 if people are doing it to get work done Aug 22 04:16:01 It is quite broken Aug 22 04:16:07 Emon: can you ssh out? Aug 22 04:16:14 I work at Lenel Systems, we make access control software Aug 22 04:16:29 we're owned by United Technologies Corp, it's their firewall Aug 22 04:16:36 Emon: fyi this channel is logged Aug 22 04:16:38 we can't get to popular blogs about programming Aug 22 04:16:41 you know you have good software when it doesn't even work rigth in your own company Aug 22 04:16:45 that's quite alright Aug 22 04:16:54 can you ssh out, though? Aug 22 04:17:00 No, I can't Aug 22 04:17:15 can you connect to website via https? Aug 22 04:17:18 yes Aug 22 04:17:21 I used to SSH on port 443 :p Aug 22 04:17:26 yeah Aug 22 04:17:26 I mean, YES there are ways to tunnel out Aug 22 04:17:31 but it's really just easier to use my Pre most of the time Aug 22 04:17:46 really? Easier than setting your proxy? Aug 22 04:17:53 it's so simple Aug 22 04:18:05 hmm Aug 22 04:18:17 proxying might actually be slower than tether Aug 22 04:18:22 wait, what are you suggesting exactly Aug 22 04:18:33 i know my home network has terrible upload, hate using it for proxy Aug 22 04:18:36 all outgoing connections must go through the corporate proxy Aug 22 04:18:42 ok, set up a ssh server at home, listening on port 443 Aug 22 04:18:42 otherwise, no connection whatsoever Aug 22 04:18:49 not if it's tunneled through your ssh connection Aug 22 04:19:00 Ah, yes, if I have a server at home I can Aug 22 04:19:07 then ssh to that server, and set up a dynamic tunnel on port 8080 Aug 22 04:19:10 I just never really bothered to check out other possibilities Aug 22 04:19:20 -D 8080 form the command line, or use putty Aug 22 04:19:33 rightg Aug 22 04:19:38 then set your proxy to be SOCKS on localhost port 8080 Aug 22 04:20:00 ssh into your phone! and run the proxy there! brilliant! :p Aug 22 04:20:19 Something tells me the wire would be faster Aug 22 04:20:28 that was sarcasm :p Aug 22 04:20:50 Of course it would be faster Aug 22 04:21:00 I get about 1 mbps through my phone Aug 22 04:21:13 I mostly use it for leisure browsing during lunch Aug 22 04:21:21 it usually doesn't get in the way of work Aug 22 04:21:39 And my Eee PC is coming in a few days, making the whole thing moot. I'll just tether that with my Pre and use it alongside my desktop Aug 22 04:21:58 Woot had Eee PC 900A (1.6 GHz Atom) for $170... couldnt resist Aug 22 04:22:20 <3 woot Aug 22 04:22:55 THose Eee's are mighty good Aug 22 04:23:04 Those* Aug 22 04:23:14 I'd really like one of the new Asus convertible tablets, but at nearly $600, not worth it. Besides, a $170 is great for hacking. If I break it I don't loose half a grand Aug 22 04:24:01 eeepc 1005HA-p has a battery that is rated for 10.5 hours. Aug 22 04:24:09 yeah, its nuts Aug 22 04:24:27 i have the t91, its cute Aug 22 04:24:30 this is wicked cool http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=9320 Aug 22 04:25:08 I'm going to try to make a wireless trackball with it :9 Aug 22 04:26:38 ahhhh!!!!! *@^*! why doesn't partial reset do anything!!! Aug 22 04:29:13 Emon: good to meet a fellow sparkfun'er on here. I've been to their offices, very cool stuff Aug 22 04:29:19 nice! Aug 22 04:29:26 I actually just made my first order today Aug 22 04:29:55 some of their stuff is a little more expensive. I've always been one to buy parts from suppliers like mouser or digikey and build things myself. but sparkfun has items hard to find Aug 22 04:30:26 I recently got an Arduino clone from adafruit, the BoArduino. accidentally fried it I think. I fixed the fried traces but I had to get another UC Aug 22 04:31:40 destinal, sparkfun has RF modules that send/recieve at 4800bps. do you think that's enough to track smooth mouse movement? It comes out to 600 bytes per second, 60 samples/second means 10 bytes, figure I'd be lucky to get half that, 5 bytes is enough for each axis and button presses Aug 22 04:34:16 Emon: hmm, it sounds too slow Aug 22 04:34:52 compared to a modern mouse, yeah, but I'm thinking it would be good enough to control a media center PC Aug 22 04:35:21 Emon: I have a boarduino as well (haven't fried it yet) :) Aug 22 04:35:44 hehe Aug 22 04:36:03 My idea is to use the RF receiver and translate the bits to PS/2 Aug 22 04:36:23 a byte for each mouse axis should be enough. only need a few bits for buttons Aug 22 04:36:25 you could use xbee also Aug 22 04:36:34 Yeah, these are just real cheap Aug 22 04:36:35 a little more expensive but a lot faster Aug 22 04:36:38 I'm getting them anyway Aug 22 04:37:00 Sparkfun has some bluetooth modules but I'm not sure how I'd use that with the PC Aug 22 04:37:41 Emon: if they're bluetooth serial modules you just use your built in bluetooth on the pc or a $10 bluetooth dongle if it doesn't have any Aug 22 04:37:59 What I mean is, how to write a "driver" for the mouse. Aug 22 04:38:22 oh, well you could emulate a serial mouse on the arduino side if you want Aug 22 04:38:28 I could write an app that translates incoming data to low level mouse events, but that's too hackish. I'd need a device triver Aug 22 04:38:51 Then I need a bluetooth receiver on the arduino, and that costs too much :P Aug 22 04:39:22 I might be able to hack apart a cheap wireless mouse Aug 22 04:39:35 oh I thought it would be pc <-bluetooth-> bluetooth to serial chip <-> arduino Aug 22 04:39:49 and the arduino is wired to the bt adapter thing Aug 22 04:39:59 nah Aug 22 04:40:20 mouse device -> [something] -> PC Aug 22 04:40:38 you're missing me, I was describing the something Aug 22 04:40:47 sorry, I'm doing three things at once Aug 22 04:40:51 lemme explain more properly Aug 22 04:41:00 one second Aug 22 04:41:08 it's simple. pre needs synergy Aug 22 04:41:18 we aren't talking about the pre Aug 22 04:41:19 :P Aug 22 04:41:26 (but it does need synergy!) Aug 22 04:41:28 oh Aug 22 04:41:33 well you should be Aug 22 04:41:33 : Aug 22 04:41:35 :p Aug 22 04:41:56 destinal, I'm trying to make a wireless mouse/trackball device using that Blackberry trackball breakout board from sparkfun, to control my media center PC Aug 22 04:42:38 The simplest thing is to emulate a mouse by plugging into the PS/2 port Aug 22 04:42:40 yeah and I explained how to do it using an arduino to fake serial mouse input to a bt serial chip to bt to pc :) Aug 22 04:42:46 I used to think that the brain was the most wonderful organ in my body. Then I realized who was telling me this. Aug 22 04:42:46 - Emo Phillips Aug 22 04:42:49 I love quote of the day Aug 22 04:42:53 the arduino would be on the trackball side in this case Aug 22 04:43:01 Ok new keyboard is out, can't push to repository though Aug 22 04:43:03 http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=1839482&posted=1#post1839482 Aug 22 04:43:09 Oh, I see. But I don't want to spend that much money on all that hardware (hence the cheap RF modules) Aug 22 04:44:07 ah Aug 22 04:45:02 I need to look up wireless mouse hacking info... I don't really have the equipment or patience to figure it out myself Aug 22 04:46:02 I'm envisioning a wireless mouse where, the tracking circuit sends simple analog signals to the wireless module. I would probably not be so lucky :P Aug 22 04:46:06 egaudet: wheres the zip? Aug 22 04:46:17 attached to first post on precentral Aug 22 04:47:17 egaudet: that zip file is empty.. Aug 22 04:47:36 bah what! Aug 22 04:47:45 has opt/media folders Aug 22 04:47:48 then nothing in the,m Aug 22 04:48:48 I have entirely too many projects and not enough time Aug 22 04:48:54 Emon: welcome to the club Aug 22 04:48:59 :) Aug 22 04:49:04 a dozen plus software projects and a dozen plus hardware projects Aug 22 04:49:22 the worst part is that I could make time for a lot of it, but I like being lazy Aug 22 04:49:28 egaudet: maybe they just aren't showing up here on windows? Aug 22 04:49:44 I could make time for a lot of it, by quitting my job and becoming homeless Aug 22 04:49:51 :) Aug 22 04:49:55 What do you do? Aug 22 04:50:08 information security Aug 22 04:50:12 ah, cool Aug 22 04:50:42 for the amount of hardware I mess with I should be doing embedded programming... Aug 22 04:50:43 Egaudet: the zip doesn't have anything in it Aug 22 04:50:51 sorry fixed Aug 22 04:52:20 so the kb_config.json is how you get user configurable options for now until I put DB in there and make a user preference app Aug 22 04:53:38 kb_config.json Aug 22 04:53:41 where is that located? Aug 22 04:54:00 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/On_Screen_Keyboard Aug 22 04:54:15 It will be located in /media/internal/virtual-keyboard/kb_config.json Aug 22 04:54:17 s/in/at Aug 22 04:55:12 no infobot Aug 22 04:55:18 + you forgot the last / Aug 22 04:55:18 :P Aug 22 04:55:44 what happened to infobot! Aug 22 04:55:51 idk Aug 22 04:55:54 wasnt here yesterday Aug 22 04:56:07 probably went camping with rwhitby Aug 22 04:56:43 egaudet: i set haptic to "1" but still no haptic :/ Aug 22 04:57:20 i didn't test it at anything below 50 Aug 22 04:57:22 hey acdylord Aug 22 04:57:31 Quick question u there? Aug 22 04:57:47 egaudet, I am really digging the keyboard at bottom of screen and transparent Aug 22 04:59:15 can anyone help me with installing a patch with quilt. Aug 22 04:59:16 A semi transparent keyboard is sure a good idea, especially on a tiny screen. Aug 22 04:59:59 Exactly what is the problem Aug 22 05:00:02 tfink660: try newest webos quick install, you can install patches from there Aug 22 05:00:03 I documented on the wiki how to make your own theme too, it's all separated from the patch and in /media/internal Aug 22 05:00:25 egaudet: how do i turn the sound on Aug 22 05:00:33 put "click1.wav" for clickFile Aug 22 05:01:01 sound will activate upon a keyup, unlike haptic which triggers on the keydown Aug 22 05:01:38 egaudet: i say make the sound trigger on keydown.. the same as haptic Aug 22 05:01:50 and haptic on both. Aug 22 05:02:05 gkatsev was trying to install that was having trouble could u help? Aug 22 05:02:46 tfink660: nope, havent actually used WQI yet, also going to sleep soonish, since its 1am for me Aug 22 05:03:32 too much stuff going on Decimation the keyboard is going to start lagging. Plus pressing the keys so fast, will cause a bunch of sounds and vibrates to backup and come out all at once Aug 22 05:03:44 yah same here 1 am Aug 22 05:03:48 may call it a night myself. Aug 22 05:03:55 egaudet, how do you pull the keyboard up for messaging app search field ? Aug 22 05:03:56 lol wifew is already pissed i been messing around all night. Aug 22 05:03:57 lol Aug 22 05:04:03 woah Aug 22 05:04:05 But I will look into making that configurable as well Aug 22 05:04:07 don't want to piss them off Aug 22 05:04:16 psykoz, same as usual Aug 22 05:04:17 divorce 1.0 Aug 22 05:04:20 wifews are not kind creatures Aug 22 05:04:21 oh well it's changed to a double tap now Aug 22 05:04:26 for all text fields Aug 22 05:06:45 looks good egaduet, great work as always. Aug 22 05:06:51 egaudet* Aug 22 05:06:56 has anyone here set up a dynamic ip server in order to ssh into their pre? I'm looking for a little help haha Aug 22 05:07:07 yeah Aug 22 05:07:14 Do you just mean dynamic DNS? Aug 22 05:07:26 Thanks, now I'm going to focus my efforts on getting it ipkg'd Aug 22 05:07:55 yes Aug 22 05:08:21 i set up my own blahblah.dyndns.org Aug 22 05:08:35 and got it connected so that the site shows my ip address on my pre Aug 22 05:08:51 but i dont know how to connect to it through putty Aug 22 05:08:55 i'm missing something Aug 22 05:09:08 when you ping blahblah.dyndns.org, what address shows Aug 22 05:09:16 egaudet: ipk patches - the future :D Aug 22 05:09:17 is the the address of your pre Aug 22 05:09:38 yeah Aug 22 05:09:40 i have it all good Aug 22 05:09:47 Make sure to SSH into port 222 not 22 Aug 22 05:09:47 i just cant connect to it through putty Aug 22 05:09:49 can you putty to the IP Aug 22 05:09:51 yeah i did that Aug 22 05:09:54 yeah Aug 22 05:10:06 i got that working and then figured while im at it to set up a dyndns Aug 22 05:10:30 does the dyndns server reflect the correct IP? Aug 22 05:10:38 yup Aug 22 05:10:40 oh by the way, sorry I missed your PM, italiano, hah Aug 22 05:10:51 did you configure to dropbear to use both EVDO and WIFI? Aug 22 05:10:52 Um, DNS issue perhaps? try ipconfig /flushdns Aug 22 05:10:53 on windows, anyway Aug 22 05:10:56 haha its okay, i found it funny you answered here haha Aug 22 05:11:34 well its under been under wifi working before i tried this Aug 22 05:11:42 though it shouldn't be DNS if you can ping it and get the correct IP Aug 22 05:12:24 wait actually looking at it again, i'm not sure if its correct Aug 22 05:12:29 im going through a linksys router Aug 22 05:12:43 It might be the changes need time to propgate Aug 22 05:12:45 and the dyndns.com site is telling me the ip is not the 192.168 linksys stuff Aug 22 05:12:55 how are you trying to do SSH? Through wifi or EVDO? Aug 22 05:12:59 wifi Aug 22 05:13:17 Then you need to make sure to enable portforwarding on your router to the IP address of the phone Aug 22 05:13:39 If you are using DHCP, you will need to configure the MAC address of the phone to have a static DHCP address then forward to that IP. Aug 22 05:15:22 well the connection worked fine before i tried setting it up on the website Aug 22 05:15:38 so that would mean its not an issue of portforwarding working incorrectly, no? Aug 22 05:15:46 yes because you were using the internal ip address Aug 22 05:16:35 oooohhhh Aug 22 05:16:43 You only have 1 IP that is assigned to the router. The router is acting as a NAT proxy for the IP. It takes the incoming traffic and sends it to the proper host based on the outgoing request. Since you do not have an outgoing request, it can not send it to the correct machine. Aug 22 05:16:46 that would make sense then Aug 22 05:17:24 Take a look at http://portforward.com/english/routers/port_forwarding/Linksys/WRT54G/BitTorrent.htm Aug 22 05:17:39 it doesn't pertain to the phone, but it explains it Aug 22 05:17:57 see you all tomorrow....I am off to bed Aug 22 05:18:23 good night Aug 22 05:19:25 thanks a lot ikyo, i'll take a look at that and do some work haha Aug 22 05:19:28 goodnight Aug 22 05:26:43 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Patch_webOS_Keep_Phone_Awake_While_in_Remote_Session Aug 22 05:26:58 ^^ how do you actually set what timer it is set to? Aug 22 05:31:35 neeevermind Aug 22 05:45:31 too... tired.. good night all Aug 22 05:46:17 gnight Aug 22 05:49:01 I need a quick beta tester Aug 22 05:49:05 anyone interested Aug 22 05:50:37 beta for what? Aug 22 05:51:04 i got the palm webos book Aug 22 05:51:09 this looks pretty cool Aug 22 05:56:39 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjWzKc7PJaU&feature=channel_page Aug 22 06:05:14 Beta for checkers Aug 22 06:25:48 Could anyone tell me why I'm getting ipkg: invalid magic an error occured, return value 22 Aug 22 06:25:56 whenever i try to install an ipk Aug 22 06:26:08 corrupt ipk Aug 22 06:27:19 alright, thanks Aug 22 06:29:30 does anyone know where the logs for the sms messages are stored? Aug 22 07:43:11 Hello all Aug 22 07:45:13 Anyone know where Palm keeps the PIN Lock screen background? TIA Aug 22 07:54:48 its around Aug 22 07:59:11 Great Aug 22 08:14:49 pretty sure its in the wiki somewhere as i remember seeing a post on editing the lock screen Aug 22 08:15:10 ok thx I will check Aug 22 14:48:21 Templarian: morning Aug 22 14:49:02 Templarian: i know you have things on your todo list, but the website could use some theming Aug 22 14:52:46 PuffTheMagic: yea pretty low on my todo list sorry man. We can try and adapt some of the icon updates i'm going to work on later today into the site maybe. Aug 22 14:53:43 are you making icons for each of the 10 main categories? Aug 22 14:54:23 Probably, but first i'm doing the main screens 5 options. Aug 22 14:55:24 omz Poster? Aug 22 14:55:34 oops, wrong window Aug 22 14:55:35 Templarian: what about an actual icon for Preware Aug 22 14:55:41 besides the ugly package Aug 22 14:55:48 That all too. Aug 22 14:56:05 I need to fix this thing in komodo first and release an update. Aug 22 14:56:57 i was just wondering, no pressure Aug 22 14:59:45 did anyone get the palm web os book Aug 22 14:59:49 it looks cool Aug 22 15:07:12 bsdbandit: i head its loaded with errors Aug 22 15:38:46 hey fellas - hack question: I don't believe we can currently send calendar appointment *INVITES* - maybe I just don't know how. But I was thinking about it and the vCal/ics files it sends are open source and easy to create. How likely do you think it is for me to be able to write a patch to allow for inviting? Aug 22 15:42:04 I see the precentral folks already put this in their wishlist today: Calendar Attendees. Roger McNamee said our Pre would be able to track our location and alert meeting attendees that we were running late. While that would be fantastic, we aren’t expecting that option to appear any time soon, perhaps we can start down that path by giving us the option to add calendar appointment attendees. Aug 22 16:34:22 hey Aug 22 16:34:37 i was referred to this chat from everythingpre.com? Aug 22 16:34:44 im trying to get root on the pre Aug 22 16:34:51 and im getting a socket error 10061 Aug 22 16:35:16 JackieRipper: .launcher_page Aug 22 16:35:17 you're getting a socket error from what using which application and how did you determine you got this error? Aug 22 16:35:18 oops Aug 22 16:35:19 any1 have any suggestions on what im doing wrong the phone is recognized as a novacom device however the connection is still being refused by the device. Aug 22 16:35:25 command prompt Aug 22 16:35:35 Jimbo: .launcher_page Aug 22 16:35:35 when running talk.py sorry for not being clear Aug 22 16:35:37 god damn Aug 22 16:35:46 chromium cut/paste is broke Aug 22 16:35:53 whats launcher page Aug 22 16:35:53 Jimbo: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Accessing_Linux Aug 22 16:35:58 I don't know anything about talk.py .. I juse used novacomd and novaterm Aug 22 16:36:22 we dont support talk.py Aug 22 16:36:26 hmm Aug 22 16:36:34 so what do u suggest i do that launcher thing> Aug 22 16:36:35 talk.py was the old way, no? Aug 22 16:36:52 Jimbo: no the launcher thing was a mistake Aug 22 16:36:54 Jimbo: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Accessing_Linux Aug 22 16:36:55 listen i run android on my device im trying to do this for a friend so i just jumped right into it Aug 22 16:36:59 ok thanks Aug 22 16:37:05 appreciate it Aug 22 16:37:15 im gonna get into that and ill read through it see whatsup Aug 22 16:37:18 ill update you Aug 22 16:38:20 it really won't take much reading, you don't have to do anything to get root except open the terminal Aug 22 16:38:55 oh, no, ... perhaps I had to type the konami code first, don't recall. :) Aug 22 16:39:21 jettero: well, with webos quick instal, you dont even need to root to install patches anymore Aug 22 16:39:39 but that wasnt his questions Aug 22 16:39:44 he wanted to know how to root Aug 22 16:39:45 i just wanna run homebrew apps Aug 22 16:39:50 it's almost like Palm is completely comfortable with the modders. :) Aug 22 16:39:51 the wiki page i posted will give u the link Aug 22 16:40:05 so basically download the sdk Aug 22 16:40:10 and set it up from there? Aug 22 16:40:24 Jimbo: yeah. You don't have to break in or anything, just grab the sdk and you're almost there Aug 22 16:41:08 is it even necessary to have root or is that like getting root from the sdk Aug 22 16:42:10 Jimbo: the sdk gives you root via novaterm. but as i said, you dont really need it anymore with the newest release of webos quick install, cuz from there you can install filecoaster or anyother homebrew app, including patches. Aug 22 16:42:40 where do i get webos quick install? Aug 22 16:42:40 though, not sure if WQI requires the sdk be installed or not Aug 22 16:42:47 ya Aug 22 16:42:48 i think it did Aug 22 16:43:17 oh one quick question when i connect the palm should i select usb storage or wat? Aug 22 16:43:26 Jimbo: just charge Aug 22 16:43:32 ok Aug 22 16:43:37 thank you Aug 22 16:45:42 there is also this: http://www.precentral.net/how-to-install-homebrew-apps Aug 22 16:48:08 thats the one the directed me to the talk.py or we Aug 22 16:48:42 I have a question regarding the on-screen keyboard Aug 22 16:48:55 PreMan: what about it? Aug 22 16:49:11 If I pull up the dialer, can I then double-tap gesture area to enable the keyboard, and start typing in a contact name, or not? Aug 22 16:49:34 PreMan: i dont know if egaudet got it to work in search fields yet. Aug 22 16:49:47 gkatsev, i did Aug 22 16:49:59 egaudet: ah, cool beans Aug 22 16:50:20 BUT the keyboard only comes up when a text field is highlighted Aug 22 16:51:02 egaudet: so... it works for search fields but wont open? Aug 22 16:51:40 gkatsev, search fields are text fields Aug 22 16:51:47 lol, ok Aug 22 16:52:09 So say you are in sms, and you hit "new message", a search field comes up with cursor in it (i.e. textfield highlighted) so you can use keyboard Aug 22 16:52:31 but from lets say the main screen, no application or textfield is open so you can't bring they keyboard up, whereas the hard keyboard press a button and bring up global search Aug 22 16:55:21 egaudet: do you think itll be possible to do it? Aug 22 16:56:02 so with regards to PreMan's question, you can't bring up the keyboard in dialer until you tap the "enter name/number..." textfield first Aug 22 16:56:45 gkatsev, the main screen is tricky because the only apps are in the background or in the bars (top/bottom) Aug 22 16:57:12 so It may be possible to create another top-bar app to go in between the app and device menus Aug 22 16:57:23 that will bring up global search with keyboard Aug 22 16:57:45 it could have a little black and white keyboard sitting next to the clock/time Aug 22 17:03:45 egaudet: just so you know, you're my hero for your continuing work with the on-screen keyboard Aug 22 17:04:53 :D I'm glad you are putting it to good use Aug 22 17:08:27 egaudet: ok, now my problem is recently I had to reload my pre.... but i forget how i did all that patching stuff to get the on-screen keyboard on... so can i still just follow the 'Applying Patches' wiki to get it to work, or do i have to do some other way? Aug 22 17:08:52 well it's been made into a very simple procedure Aug 22 17:09:00 egaudet: did you add it to WQI? Aug 22 17:09:08 actually wait, did you doctor the pre? Aug 22 17:09:22 if it's doctor'd, you have to follow the accessing linux wiki again Aug 22 17:09:22 egaudet: you mean root? Aug 22 17:09:44 gkatsev, the install steps yea Aug 22 17:09:49 egaudet: i have it already rooted again? so can i just do the simple procedure? Aug 22 17:09:57 PreMan, yes Aug 22 17:10:11 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/On_Screen_Keyboard Aug 22 17:10:16 egaudet: where might that simple procedure be, i have the wiki up now.... oic Aug 22 17:10:23 go to the Procedure and use those 3 lines, and all should be good Aug 22 17:10:56 but first i have to install git through the applying patches wiki or is it already there? Aug 22 17:12:05 I'm not sure if it's installed with the accessing linux step or not, so try the git pull and see if it works Aug 22 17:12:23 ok, lemme hook up my phone now and try it out Aug 22 17:13:06 I'm pretty sure git is a part of the optware/accessing linux stuff Aug 22 17:14:58 i have to mount the filesystem as writable before i git right? Aug 22 17:15:55 no Aug 22 17:16:10 ok sweet Aug 22 17:16:11 "/opt" is not read-only Aug 22 17:16:27 and the install scripts with remount for you Aug 22 17:16:48 when you quilt push -a do you need it to be rw? Aug 22 17:17:10 and will the install script restart my phone or is tha teven necessary? Aug 22 17:18:18 PreMan: it shouldnt, though, for me, i had to restart my phone before any of the onscreen keyboard changes will apply Aug 22 17:18:47 i can't cd to /opt/srcy/modifications/frameworks..... so i still have to do some of the applying patches stuff? Aug 22 17:19:08 gkatsev, yes but the script does it all Aug 22 17:19:17 PreMan, no the script won't restart your phone Aug 22 17:19:21 uh oh... i have no /opt/src Aug 22 17:19:29 and yes it is necessary, well at least restart LunaSysMgr is Aug 22 17:19:51 ok you need to do next steps PreMan and install optware Aug 22 17:20:07 i thought i did, i suppose i didn't though cuz itd be there Aug 22 17:20:47 if i just do the OptWare Setup instructions will that be enough? Aug 22 17:21:05 yep Aug 22 17:22:34 umm... downloading the ipkg-opt package file from the optware package feed; ? Aug 22 17:22:46 oic good, didnt want my input Aug 22 17:22:55 the colon through me off Aug 22 17:26:21 how long does it take for installing sudo:..... Aug 22 17:29:21 installing sudo: is taking forever, whatever shall I do? Aug 22 17:30:25 be patient :D Aug 22 17:30:44 ok, as long as its supposed to take awhile Aug 22 17:30:45 throw it against the wall as hard as you can Aug 22 17:30:51 lol Aug 22 17:30:55 that will teach it Aug 22 17:33:27 at what point in time should I worry that it still says "installing sudo:"? Aug 22 17:34:02 you're obviously worried right now Aug 22 17:34:06 I was pretty sure I already had sudo installed, in fact, i think i ran the script as root Aug 22 17:34:10 or you wouldnt keep asking about it Aug 22 17:36:08 Is it installing sudo or asking you for your sudo password Aug 22 17:36:08 is there any way i can check that its still doing something? Aug 22 17:36:22 it says "installing sudo: " Aug 22 17:36:36 this is after i created an unprivileged user account Aug 22 17:37:15 if i try typing something it shouldn't interrupt anything right? Aug 22 17:38:04 dont think so Aug 22 17:38:09 you think it would error out by now Aug 22 17:40:29 i already had sudo working, i typed sudo to run the script Aug 22 17:41:39 ok i started typing stuff and it got past installing sudo Aug 22 17:41:49 Just fixed/pushed top-row key popouts for keyboard Aug 22 17:42:04 sweet Aug 22 17:42:05 can can interrupt it w/ CTRL-c Aug 22 17:42:11 do I have to do quilt setup? Aug 22 17:42:20 PreMan, that is the quilt setup Aug 22 17:42:23 you just did it right Aug 22 17:42:41 oh no that was optware, yea do quilt setup Aug 22 17:42:42 this is optware-setup that i'm doing now Aug 22 17:43:33 but i have to do optware0setup before i do quilt setup right? Aug 22 17:43:43 yea Aug 22 17:44:36 wait, this optware setup doesn't automatically turn on the feature that enables ssh from the internet does it? Aug 22 17:45:12 optware does Aug 22 17:45:22 why? Aug 22 17:45:42 cuz i only want to be able to ssh my phone via the usbnet Aug 22 17:45:45 which i already have setup Aug 22 17:45:56 evdo is blocked by default, see /etc/event.d/optware-dropbear Aug 22 17:46:03 ok good Aug 22 17:46:10 thats what i needed to know, as long as evdo is still blocked Aug 22 17:46:14 ok yea Aug 22 17:46:31 precentral forums timing out Aug 22 17:47:28 works 4 me Aug 22 17:47:45 egaudet: I saw that you put something up on the wiki about adding that search field or something on the home page so that universal search would work with the on-screen keyboard or something? was this something you are currently working on? Aug 22 17:49:05 PreMan, something I am thinking about, have a general idea of how to go about it, but it might need to be a separate patch Aug 22 17:50:21 egaudet: i see, i was just wondering because since i got the pre, i always wanted a way to type in a contacts name and call them fast without pulling out that hard keyboard... and this on-screen keyboard now can do that with the dialer, but it seems like the enablement of universal search would eliminate the steps of running the dialer and clicking on the search field Aug 22 17:50:32 I'm thinking of a possible patch to put a little keyboard/search icon near the clock at the top bar, and that will bring up global search + virtual keyboard, so that global search doesn't require hard keyboard Aug 22 17:51:03 i see, that'd be cool Aug 22 17:56:08 ugh, now it's installing quilt-lite, this will take forever, maybe in teh meantime, i should change my nickname from preman to Neosporin! Aug 22 17:56:18 then i could be a first-aid antibiotic ointment! Aug 22 17:57:58 http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/701/browser20092208135728.png Aug 22 17:58:01 but then I'd be allergic to you Aug 22 17:58:53 egaudet: how do you activate the OSK anyway? did you bind it to the volume buttons or something? Aug 22 17:59:37 wow I want my keyboard to look like that! Aug 22 17:59:53 egaudet: that's awesome Aug 22 18:00:51 CoolMatty, double-tap gesture area with textfield highlighted Aug 22 18:01:16 how do I restart luna manager? Aug 22 18:01:18 Ok all I'm off to softball game and then the bars, I will catch everyone later or tomorrow! Aug 22 18:01:29 PreMan, initctl stop LunaSysMgr && initctl start LunaSysMgr Aug 22 18:01:36 later Aug 22 18:01:39 egaudet: thanks!!! have fun, awesome work! Aug 22 18:01:42 kekep it up! Aug 22 18:07:43 egaudet_away: oh nice, I'll check that out in the near future. maybe when it's all polished :p Aug 22 18:16:49 egaudet's that star up in the sky, he's that mountain peak up high, hey he made it, he's the world's greatest. Aug 22 18:39:27 did anyone get the palm web os book Aug 22 18:39:28 it looks cool Aug 22 18:59:26 bsdbandit: I have it on my shelf here Aug 22 19:20:44 I wonder if anyone's working on Keepass for WebOS Aug 22 19:20:58 I'd give up a kidney for it Aug 22 19:21:03 (and some cash) Aug 22 19:23:26 funny, I parsed that as keep ass Aug 22 19:23:52 but I guess if your passwords are stolen you could lose it? Aug 22 19:24:44 CoolMatty: I guess it's open source so it wouldn't be hard to do Aug 22 19:37:15 oil: http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/9618/screenzew.png hmm... only a few minutes of work, but I have to go do RL stuff. :( Aug 22 19:41:28 Templarian: cool. uh, or cold? Aug 22 19:41:34 :P Aug 22 19:42:29 Does that mean you expect us to put the terminal icon over ice? Hmmmm Aug 22 20:05:15 hi Aug 22 20:05:16 How to add to the Web explorer on PalmPre support to read/Show my country language? now I cant see it Aug 22 20:05:29 it shown (the text) in squares instead it's fonts... Aug 22 21:21:09 egaudet_away: my man Aug 22 22:33:07 the on-screen keyboard doesnt work yet for messaging right? cuz i just tried it and i can just see the bottom row at the top of my screen? Aug 22 22:35:37 this is correct? Aug 22 22:36:58 nvm, figured out dragging Aug 22 22:44:04 any idea what the period and duration mean in a /usr/bin/luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.vibrate/vibrate {\"period\":500,\"duration\":1500\} command? Aug 22 22:44:19 I mean, duration seems clear enough, but is period the frequency or something? Aug 22 22:44:24 er... inverse frequency? Aug 22 22:45:17 I've been trying to find it on developer.palm.com, but their search is worthless Aug 22 22:47:18 jettero: don't know for sure.. but duration is how long something is active.. period is usually the time between or the time until something happens Aug 22 22:47:36 so it may mean, start this 500ms from the time i issue this command.. Aug 22 22:47:40 just a guess Aug 22 22:47:46 I got it Aug 22 22:47:56 period 250 and duration 1250 gives me 4 short vibrates Aug 22 22:48:19 presumably 1250/1250 gives you one super long vibrate Aug 22 22:48:33 ok... makes sense Aug 22 22:48:35 and 1/1250 gives you like 1200 vibrates Aug 22 22:48:38 could have been named better i suppose Aug 22 22:48:49 and certainly could be documented better :) Aug 22 22:49:00 one word of docs would be better than what I found Aug 22 22:49:01 :) Aug 22 22:49:26 oh, 100/1200 is neat ... like 11 little taps Aug 22 22:50:28 distinctive vibrate is just not something that ever occured to me before Aug 22 22:50:33 Has anyone been successful with haptic feedback universally for the Pre? Aug 22 22:52:06 I don't even know what that is Aug 22 22:52:37 oic... Aug 22 23:11:22 jettero, period is time per event Aug 22 23:11:34 100 means 100ms per event Aug 22 23:12:11 period 0, duration: whatever means one vibrate at that duration Aug 22 23:44:39 ALL: bug that put on screen keyboard out of view to top is fixed, good night enjoy Aug 22 23:45:10 night e Aug 23 00:13:46 Does anyone have the settings I would need to change icons per row to 4 instead of 5? I can't quite get it right Aug 23 00:15:29 GreedyB: I don't think anyone has them -- you'll just have to tweak size / spacing Aug 23 00:18:13 GreedyB - i do. Aug 23 00:19:34 Decimation, would you mind sharing it in a PM? Aug 23 00:20:32 yoo Aug 23 00:20:46 whats good Aug 23 00:40:28 Is there anyone here who has gotten DirectVNC setup on their Pre? Aug 23 00:41:26 http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/199629-androidapp-android-emulation-app.html Aug 23 00:41:38 I followed the tutorial on the webos internals wiki and got the error "configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH" Aug 23 00:49:16 Decimation: --> License: this application is NOT open source. Do not distribute! Aug 23 00:49:31 why, I wonder, because he's SO looking forward to selling it? Aug 23 00:49:38 and afraid of competition? Aug 23 00:49:54 it's a little android mock-up thing Aug 23 01:13:08 destinal: lol, idk Aug 23 01:22:04 That's what I don't get, things being released in a pointlessly proprietary way. like, someone might reuse this, learn from it, etc? Aug 23 01:22:25 make something new based on some of the code? Aug 23 01:23:26 I understand if it's a matter of commercial advantage and you're selling bits rather than services Aug 23 01:49:01 Is there anyone here who has gotten DirectVNC setup on their Pre? Aug 23 01:54:01 it has been done, but I don't think any of them are about Aug 23 01:56:46 Hi all... n00b quilt question if you can help: I was trying to make a new patch, but decided against it. I rolled back my changes to the file, but quilt still thinks the patch exists. I tried doing "quilt revert ..." and "quilt remove .." but no love thus far. Aug 23 01:58:23 I just want quilt to stop listing it when I do "quilt series" Aug 23 02:01:32 the do quilt delete Aug 23 02:02:26 it says it's currently applied :/ Aug 23 02:02:39 quilt pop Aug 23 02:03:10 eek, poped the wrong patch Aug 23 02:03:56 ah, /opt/src/patches/series has that patch listed, I'll just remove it from there Aug 23 02:04:21 done and done :) Aug 23 02:04:55 when all else fails, find where the program stores its precious memories and destroy it. Aug 23 02:37:17 Hey guys. I have a friend who tried doing the boot launch screen mod, and screwed up somehow. Now when it boots it only shows the original .png and refuses to start up. Aug 23 02:37:25 Any ideas or is it the webos doctor for him? Aug 23 02:47:08 don't you just replace the image files to do that mod? Aug 23 02:48:30 Yep and somehow he screwed up Aug 23 02:48:41 Gotta doctor it now lol Aug 23 02:49:15 i'm not a computer wizz but i suggest replacing the images with the originals and seeing if it boots up first before doing the webos doctor Aug 23 02:49:50 Well he cant boot up Aug 23 02:49:53 so he cant root Aug 23 02:50:19 oh Aug 23 02:50:25 Yep lol... Aug 23 02:50:43 well fyi the webos quick install tool allows you to change the boot theme w/o going into the phone Aug 23 02:51:27 I was just instructing him on how to implement hacks with root Aug 23 02:51:34 and somehow he screwed up... Aug 23 02:51:46 but its all good Aug 23 02:53:01 What can you type into putty to find the pre's current GPS data Aug 23 02:54:10 anyone what i would edit so that with the browser download patch i can get dialog box like with mp3s that ask if i want to save/stream but with jpgs Aug 23 02:54:14 anyone know* Aug 23 02:54:16 :o **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Aug 23 02:59:56 2009