**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 27 02:59:57 2009 Aug 27 03:00:07 oil: wow, i didnt realize you made blocked Aug 27 03:00:21 best game out there :D Aug 27 03:00:46 Decimation: I only "hire" the best for Preware ;-) Aug 27 03:01:16 :D blocked IS truely amazing, i will admit. Aug 27 03:01:34 that was actually the first app i downloaded a while ago when jailbreaking first came out for the ipod touch Aug 27 03:01:38 known as "parking lot" Aug 27 03:01:44 ever since then, ive been hooked. Aug 27 03:12:16 my version is certainly better Aug 27 03:16:46 someone tell me recompiling camsrc is a terrible idea Aug 27 03:17:00 its a terrible idea Aug 27 03:17:34 oil: internalz and filemanager service are now in the canuck-software feed on preware.org - we should do a new preware release which includes that feed Aug 27 03:19:02 oil, technically only 'patching' is cool right? so i wouldn't be able to recompile any existing packages and still be on the white side? Aug 27 03:19:11 damn this chick is crazy Aug 27 03:19:55 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/canuck-software/ Aug 27 03:20:01 I NEED IT, INCLUDE INCLUDE :D Aug 27 03:20:05 what chick? Aug 27 03:20:34 zsoc: bahh, just do it :D Aug 27 03:21:07 zsoc: i only said it was a terrible idea because you asked someone to tell you that Aug 27 03:22:13 *sigh* i have to start by decompiling the plugin... it's going to be particularly complex because it seems.. like.. hm, i don't want to put my foot in my mouth. again. Aug 27 03:22:36 easiest way to get a file from my pre to my computer? Aug 27 03:22:49 cp it to somewhere i can access with sftp Aug 27 03:22:53 stupid question really Aug 27 03:26:30 oil: the one in video clip ;) Aug 27 03:27:05 zsoc: white side? huh? Aug 27 03:27:09 oil: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5xE4PHhAs4 3:08 ;) check it out Aug 27 03:27:14 zsoc: what white side? Aug 27 03:27:53 zsoc: also which plugin do you mean Aug 27 03:28:38 destinal, libgstcamsrc Aug 27 03:29:36 but why would you need to decompile it if it's on http://opensource.palm.com/1.1.0/ ? Aug 27 03:29:44 would anyone here know who to talk to about getting the book for attending the predevcamp? Aug 27 03:30:33 destinal, it's. not? Aug 27 03:30:46 not the camsrc package up there? Aug 27 03:31:36 destinal, no no... that's this > http://camsource.sourceforge.net/ Aug 27 03:32:15 the libgstcamsrc.so is the gstreamer plugin that tells gstreamer how to interact with camsource Aug 27 03:32:32 er, actually vicea versa Aug 27 03:32:51 wow Aug 27 03:33:01 oil is now going to tell me why i'm an idiot? :P Aug 27 03:33:04 * zsoc braces for it Aug 27 03:33:05 this music seems really original Aug 27 03:33:10 oh. Aug 27 03:33:19 * zsoc kills self Aug 27 03:33:42 zsoc: step back from the ledge, just buy a touchstone and everything will be all right Aug 27 03:33:49 lol Aug 27 03:33:56 https://twitter.com/webosinternals/status/3571947549 Aug 27 03:34:14 ah cool Aug 27 03:34:20 destinal, it's located in /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/ if you're interested yourself Aug 27 03:34:59 rwhitby, nice Aug 27 03:36:59 en0x: i didn't make it that far before closing the tab Aug 27 03:38:49 oil: you can just go to 3:08 in youtube now Aug 27 03:38:53 just move the bar Aug 27 03:38:54 lol Aug 27 03:39:07 but it would have just been more shitty music Aug 27 03:39:19 right but the chick is nice tho Aug 27 03:40:05 lol Aug 27 03:40:59 I sent an email to palm, what's the chance they'll get back to me? :P Aug 27 03:41:15 next year Aug 27 03:41:15 ;] Aug 27 03:41:24 cool Aug 27 03:41:27 not too long ;) Aug 27 03:41:42 woh, the begining of that video.. DAT ASS Aug 27 03:42:22 :D Aug 27 03:43:07 en0x, help me with my gstreamer woes. you're a genius right? Aug 27 03:43:24 i'm not Aug 27 03:43:30 i gotta look into gstreamer myself Aug 27 03:43:35 for the fcked aac+ plugin Aug 27 03:43:36 zsoc: what are you trying to accomplish? Aug 27 03:44:09 Decimation: ipkgservice 0.7.2 now includes the canuck-software feed Aug 27 03:44:33 gee Aug 27 03:44:37 i just updated to 0.7.1 Aug 27 03:44:38 :S Aug 27 03:45:15 too bad the postinst makes it so it never says its updated Aug 27 03:45:22 destinal, the capabilities for "camsrc" (which seems to be the direct plugin to the camera from the HAL) are set in that plugin. So to achieve 720x480 video, it's either edit the plugin/recompile.. or make a new plugin. Aug 27 03:45:43 making a new gstreamer plugin isn't sounding so bad Aug 27 03:47:43 ok i'm out Aug 27 03:47:44 later Aug 27 03:48:46 im looking at the packages installed on the pre there are alot Aug 27 03:48:51 like mysql Aug 27 03:48:53 bsdbandit, good observation Aug 27 03:49:16 im thinking about removing some of this stuff Aug 27 03:49:20 its bloated Aug 27 03:49:33 bsdbandit: meh, Aug 27 03:49:34 like cups Aug 27 03:49:50 cups is for printing Aug 27 03:50:03 this is going to be a lot of concern for security in the webos Aug 27 03:50:06 as well Aug 27 03:50:09 cups is preinstalled on your pre? Aug 27 03:50:15 yes Aug 27 03:50:18 bsdbandit: not really re: security Aug 27 03:50:30 cups isn't running nor is it suid and everything runs as root anyway Aug 27 03:50:37 have you acessed you phone through ssh Aug 27 03:50:37 cups matters not a whit for webos sec Aug 27 03:50:37 ? Aug 27 03:50:52 im just using cups as an example Aug 27 03:51:23 bsdbandit: yeah, they haven't trimmed much from a standard OpenEmbedded rootfs build Aug 27 03:51:46 also gstreamer streams audio well. plug in a headset and have someone talk into the mic after invoking it :D Aug 27 03:52:03 bsdbandit: the base OS is what, a couple hundred megabytes Aug 27 03:52:11 out of 8 gigs I'm not too worried about it Aug 27 03:52:15 rwhitby: nice. Aug 27 03:52:18 oh ok Aug 27 03:52:43 also when creating an app how do you remove it Aug 27 03:52:44 plus they may use cups later Aug 27 03:52:53 Decimation: Preware installs FileMgr and Internalz nicely Aug 27 03:52:55 not sure if they'll want to print from the phone but it could be handy Aug 27 03:53:01 lol Aug 27 03:53:02 :) Aug 27 03:55:59 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-wallpapers/200212-anti-iphone-boot-screens.html Aug 27 03:56:03 you guys seen that? Aug 27 03:56:07 pretty beast boot screen. Aug 27 03:56:18 what is it, a turd? Aug 27 03:56:27 no, pengiun Aug 27 03:56:38 i mean inside him Aug 27 03:57:02 idk.. looks pretty fruity Aug 27 03:57:10 *dun dun... CHHHHH* Aug 27 03:57:39 Oh there's an issue. Aug 27 03:57:42 gstreamer0.10-plugins-base isn't installed. Aug 27 03:58:47 hm.. i wonder if i could install it Aug 27 03:58:55 * rwhitby bbl Aug 27 04:04:21 i take that back, gstreamer plugins base is installed, just a stripped version Aug 27 04:08:58 anyone patched thier phone yet > Aug 27 04:08:59 ? Aug 27 04:09:35 first time i hooked up the phone to the car stereo to play some tunes, wow, such crispness Aug 27 04:09:52 and nice volume control Aug 27 04:12:05 patched in what way? Aug 27 04:12:13 anyone here any progress on that theme manager? Aug 27 04:22:38 I actually have the opposite problem, FM radio on my stereo is pretty loud @ 15-20 on the volume settings (which goes 0-50), have to put the Pre at 45 over bluetooth ;( Aug 27 04:26:04 Hey, i have a stupid question about Preware: Is is supposed to tell me when services have successfully been installed? (Like it does with apps) Aug 27 04:29:20 not when the services restart java Aug 27 04:29:27 which kills the ipkg service doing the installation Aug 27 04:29:32 oh god am i about to break my pre Aug 27 04:29:37 so it never responds to the app to tell it its done Aug 27 04:29:38 HEY GUYS I HAVE A GREAT IDEA Aug 27 04:29:46 dump your pre in the ocean? Aug 27 04:29:52 toss your pre into a blender? Aug 27 04:29:57 lets recompile something, i have no idea how it works, and then put it on my pre, replacing the old file, and reboot Aug 27 04:30:16 zsoc, sounds like fun! Aug 27 04:30:39 oil: Thank you :) Aug 27 04:36:05 zsoc: how can you recompile something without source code? Aug 27 04:36:43 or do you mean the rest of gstreamer? Aug 27 04:42:34 egaudet: Aug 27 04:42:37 you there Aug 27 04:42:37 destinal, upon further consideration it seems you were completely right about what package camsrc was refering to on palms site Aug 27 04:42:49 destinal, in my defense, it was extremely vague D: Aug 27 04:42:50 atlanta, yea Aug 27 04:43:05 heh Aug 27 04:43:13 fair enough Aug 27 04:43:18 egaudet: how hard you think it will be to have the keyboard come up in the black area like rwhitby has the accept message Aug 27 04:43:30 atlanta: have you noticed how cool the touchstone is before? :) Aug 27 04:43:36 I've been going on about it Aug 27 04:43:48 destinal: i actually dont even have one myself Aug 27 04:43:48 lmfao Aug 27 04:44:33 destinal, maybe you know the answer to this. the "original" tarball is the actually package, the "modifications" or "patches" seems to just be one file with a list of mods. do they do this on purpose so you can't easily recompile their version yourself? Aug 27 04:44:45 you should get one, it's worth it for the hard backplate alone but also the nanotube thing means the base sticks to anything even upside down or vertical and the magnets do a great job of holding it and the angle is good, I think even for using external keyboards I wouldn't need to use a cradle Aug 27 04:45:00 atlanta, no idea what controls that so it could range from very easy to very impossible (at least from Mojo) Aug 27 04:45:00 my original palm backplate feels cheap, and flexes making creaking sounds Aug 27 04:45:13 the touchstone backplate is much nicer Aug 27 04:45:33 destinal: i have a body case on mine so ill probably get the touchstone next week Aug 27 04:45:41 one of those hard cases Aug 27 04:45:56 dunno if the magnets would work through the hard case Aug 27 04:46:07 yea thats why i didnt get it the same day Aug 27 04:46:15 because i like the hip clip thats with it Aug 27 04:46:21 I also find it funny there is an "original" tarball.. even though this package doesn't exist .. its a combination of video4linux2 source element files needed for compiling. Aug 27 04:46:31 destinal: any protection on your pre? Aug 27 04:46:53 no, and I wish I had, I have tiny scratches Aug 27 04:46:58 on the screen now Aug 27 04:47:11 even though I'm religious about putting it in the palm hip case Aug 27 04:47:11 gotcha Aug 27 04:47:24 have u seen the one from BB Aug 27 04:47:25 Heyoooo Aug 27 04:47:45 the way the hard case is designed its made for this hip clip that comes with it Aug 27 04:48:31 destinal: http://images.bestbuy.com/BestBuy_US/images/products/9319/9319873_ra.jpg Aug 27 04:50:02 * atlanta will be picking up the touchstone next week Aug 27 04:51:12 egaudet: cool cool ill look through it and see would be nice to have the keyboard on the bottom Aug 27 04:52:03 bottom of what? Aug 27 04:52:13 oh yea what we were just talking about lol Aug 27 04:52:14 sorry Aug 27 04:52:48 Virtual Keyboard can now be installed with Preware Aug 27 04:53:08 lol its ok Aug 27 04:53:10 sweet Aug 27 04:53:23 * rwhitby loves it when a plan comes together ... Aug 27 04:53:24 i guess i should install preware and try it out :) hehe Aug 27 04:53:25 egaudet: what do you use to render it just div ? Aug 27 04:54:07 so now we have egaudet and canuck-software creating advanced homebrew packages that install via Preware Aug 27 04:54:27 Yea the active scene picks up the double-tap and creates a dynamic widget, uses all the Mojo stuff which in the end is all html Aug 27 04:54:47 ok gotcha Aug 27 04:54:57 hopefully we can make something nice Aug 27 04:55:24 I'm going to explore making it a plugin Aug 27 04:56:51 argh.... now you tell me.... I just installed the keyboard with quilt yesterday lol :D Aug 27 04:56:59 ok 2mro imma go through the script alerter and see if i can add your widget to it Aug 27 05:01:22 Hey everyone did you know there's a program called 'patch' that applys 'patches'? Aug 27 05:01:37 zsoc: get outta here. really? Aug 27 05:02:09 wonder what they'll think of next. a program called quilt that stiches patches together? Aug 27 05:03:18 * zsoc changes his name to SlowPoke Aug 27 05:04:03 rwhitby, So.. I'm about to recompile the camsrc gstreamer plugin.. with my edited patch that removes the capabilities template that is keeping the camera output down to 480x320 Aug 27 05:04:03 zsoc: sorry, that was rude of me :-) Aug 27 05:04:16 rwhitby, nah, not rude at all :D Aug 27 05:04:49 heh, without the program patch, there would be no patches Aug 27 05:04:52 zsoc: are you going to use the preware/build.git repo to do your cross-compiling for you? Aug 27 05:04:57 lol Aug 27 05:05:46 zsoc: so you figured out how to apply palm's patchset and build yourself their gstreamer lib? Aug 27 05:05:51 rwhitby, I honestly have no idea what you just said. 1 more time? Slightly more laymen? Aug 27 05:06:04 destinal, yeah, thanks for pointing it out to me EARLIER. WHEN YOU KNEW WHAT I WAS TRYING TO DO :P Aug 27 05:06:17 zsoc: I got a meeting now, destinal or egaudet can point you Aug 27 05:06:19 zsoc: I really didn't realize you didn't know what patch was :) Aug 27 05:06:22 sorry Aug 27 05:06:37 destinal, lol it's ok. I got it now. I learn fast, I just don't know anything to begin with on some subjects :< Aug 27 05:06:41 rwhitby, thanks again :) peace Aug 27 05:07:08 destinal, ok buddy, so why is rwhit suggesting i use preware/build.git repo to cross-compile for me? Aug 27 05:08:16 oh, you can basically use preware's git repository to cross compile your stuff if you want it to end up as a package on the feed that anyone can install Aug 27 05:08:32 ie it will cross compile and package stuff for you Aug 27 05:08:52 but I recommend getting a cross compile toolchain going if you can or a native compiler / toolchain on your pre Aug 27 05:09:10 er... howabout i just try this one change/patch/recompile once? Aug 27 05:09:21 zsoc: but where are you compiling it? Aug 27 05:09:58 I mean, honestly, I'm not so sure how I could get it on the feed. you'd need the source from the website, and then the patch, and then apply it, and then compile, and then backup the old and replace with the new Aug 27 05:10:16 where? on a local machine. then i was going to move it to the pre. is there some law of compiling that forces that to fail miserably? Aug 27 05:10:32 no, just the fact that your local machine is probably making x86 binaries Aug 27 05:10:37 and the pre is an ARM cpu Aug 27 05:11:29 cross compilers are designed to compile for a different CPU than the one running them, thus cross, so you can have an ARM compiler toolchain on your x86 linux box Aug 27 05:11:30 * zsoc facepalms Aug 27 05:11:41 That was too obvious Aug 27 05:11:45 Really I know these things. Aug 27 05:11:57 what's the cross-compile tools you use? Aug 27 05:12:03 So assuming this is going to fail ANYWAY, what would you suggest, as a cross-compiling solution? Aug 27 05:12:28 I mean, honestly, even if this patch works.. I'm still stuck using the palmvideoencoder, which is going to cause the same compression issues. that's problem 2. Aug 27 05:12:30 zsoc: well, getting it to compile once normally is fine as a smoke test Aug 27 05:13:10 just so long as you know the resulting binary would work on the emulator (x86) but not on the pre (ARM) Aug 27 05:13:19 and of course the emulator has no camera Aug 27 05:13:22 :) Aug 27 05:13:54 it's called prntscrn Aug 27 05:13:55 destinal, right, that's why i don't want to bother :P Aug 27 05:13:56 ;) Aug 27 05:13:58 ameng1: the cross compiler that I know of is described at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Custom_Kernels Aug 27 05:14:22 ameng1: personally I'm the odd one here, I build stuff on the pre in a debian chroot Aug 27 05:14:34 so I haven't actually tried x-compiling yet Aug 27 05:14:49 ah,debian chroot.. makes too much sense :P Aug 27 05:15:10 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Debian Aug 27 05:15:38 oh, i prefer the scratchbox Aug 27 05:15:52 ameng1: is that a maemo thing? Aug 27 05:15:58 yeah Aug 27 05:16:00 destinal, thanks, debian chroot i actually get ;) Aug 27 05:16:26 i think it is the best one so far Aug 27 05:16:26 zsoc: inside a debian chroot you can apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; apt-get install build-essential and then you have a working build environment Aug 27 05:16:53 destinal, that's a little too easy tho i think :/ Aug 27 05:17:02 heh Aug 27 05:17:14 destinal, think there's an easy way i can get "search" installed? is it in opt-ware repos? Aug 27 05:17:24 search? Aug 27 05:17:35 not sure i know that one Aug 27 05:17:39 er.. locate? Aug 27 05:17:50 oh the command line tool? Aug 27 05:17:58 indeed Aug 27 05:18:31 I don't use it, but maybe it's in optware Aug 27 05:18:35 kk Aug 27 05:18:43 i don't suppose you want to build this for me? :P Aug 27 05:19:18 destinal: in scratchbox , you also can do apt-get things Aug 27 05:19:22 * zsoc ponders if making a debian chroot is the best option.. Aug 27 05:19:34 ameng1, what is this scratchbox you speak of? Aug 27 05:19:49 ameng1: scratchbox sounds good, have you tested binaries built with that setup on a pre? Aug 27 05:20:10 not at all, heh Aug 27 05:20:12 * rwhitby was never able to get scratchbox to work Aug 27 05:20:21 I tried to use it for n800 stuff, but failed :-( Aug 27 05:20:26 rwhitby, you're supposed to be in a meeting :P Aug 27 05:20:34 rwhitby, so how do you suggest i compile? Aug 27 05:20:48 zsoc: I told you before I went into the meetign Aug 27 05:20:50 zsoc: google search scratchbox Aug 27 05:21:03 "zsoc: are you going to use the preware/build.git repo to do your cross-compiling for you?" Aug 27 05:21:22 we use the codesourcery toolchain for the autobuilder Aug 27 05:21:34 rwhitby, I saw that sentence. I just didn't get it. Aug 27 05:21:34 same one that is used for optware for the Pre Aug 27 05:21:59 rwhitby: he's not ready to put a package in the feed yet though Aug 27 05:22:05 rwhitby: he's experimenting at this point Aug 27 05:22:07 yeah, last thing i want to do lol Aug 27 05:22:09 super experiment Aug 27 05:22:17 destinal: right, but it downloads and sets up the cross compile toolchain Aug 27 05:22:24 just put your source in build/src ..... Aug 27 05:22:29 ah, I hadn't tried it Aug 27 05:22:31 good idea then Aug 27 05:22:55 zsoc: got a ubuntu build machine? Aug 27 05:23:38 rwhitby, yep Aug 27 05:24:04 I'm trying to remove the patched version of OnScreen Keyboard so i can install it via Preware (so i can get updates etc, easily) & after did quilt pop, & tried to install it, i get "Installation Failed" Is there a list of folders/files i can delete to get this working? Aug 27 05:24:33 v3ritas, did you cd / and quilt pop -f the patch Aug 27 05:25:10 i did cd /, but i didn't force it. Sorry for the dumb question. I'll try it again with -f Aug 27 05:25:29 -f will use the backup files to restore, should put you in good state for preware Aug 27 05:25:59 egaudet_dreams: Thanks Aug 27 05:26:15 np Aug 27 05:26:17 ok time for bed Aug 27 05:26:34 Goodnight Aug 27 05:26:58 I'll wait to verify it worked for you though Aug 27 05:27:30 rwhitby, could you give me a bit more info on this codesourcery toolchain? Aug 27 05:29:52 Could anyone help me with a small problem I'm having with installing optware? Aug 27 05:30:35 Jake: maybe but you must describe the problem first Aug 27 05:30:36 :) Aug 27 05:31:36 Hm.. this is definitely a rabbit hole. After I get the caps removed (or, set properly). I'm then going to have to find another way to encode the video. palm doesn't offer sources for the palmvideoencoder.so gstreamer plugin.. so i'll have to find a video encoder that can handle resolution and frame rate, and cross compile that as well.. and add it to the current library. too many variables to go wrong there Aug 27 05:31:48 Ok, np. :) When I try running the bootstrap script, its unable to access hdb Aug 27 05:32:16 To be more precise, /dev/hdb Aug 27 05:32:32 Jake: are you intending to install optware on a pre or on an emulator"? Aug 27 05:32:41 On the Pre. Aug 27 05:33:02 ok, before you run the bootstrap script, what does the prompt look like? Aug 27 05:33:42 One second and I'll have it for you. Aug 27 05:34:44 egaudet_dreams: You can go if you want, i don't want to keep you. I think i have to reapply it, then remove it again with -f (i deleted the patch after i removed it), so it'll probably take me a little while Aug 27 05:35:34 ok good night, good luck Aug 27 05:35:42 aunt minnie says there is no rabbit hole Aug 27 05:35:43 Thanks =] Aug 27 05:35:46 Hmmm..... That's funny. Now it cannot find the device. Aug 27 05:35:58 Jake: did you have the emulator running before? Aug 27 05:36:16 I'm willing to bet you ran the bootstrap on the emulator, that's the only way it's supposed to try anything with hdb Aug 27 05:36:34 Yes. Is that my problem? Aug 27 05:36:43 Ah. Aug 27 05:36:52 yeah, I'd turn the emulator off and make sure you can novacom to the pre Aug 27 05:37:25 the prompts are different also btw, emulator says root@qemux86# and pre says root@castle# Aug 27 05:37:38 destinal, hey, can you confirm palm doesn't offer the source for gstpalmvideoencoder.so? I just want to make sure. you tend to be good at finding things like that in plain site :P Aug 27 05:37:44 okay, so am i supposed to be able to install terminal through preware yet? Aug 27 05:37:51 HattCzech, nope Aug 27 05:37:59 okay, just wanted to make sure Aug 27 05:38:04 HattCzech, but you can complain to destinal that it's borked Aug 27 05:38:05 so what's the method to do that? Aug 27 05:38:24 zsoc: I can complain to me that it's borked also Aug 27 05:38:46 :) Aug 27 05:38:50 lol Aug 27 05:38:53 ^_^ Aug 27 05:39:34 who's setting up the info pages for the apps? Aug 27 05:39:58 I'll check into the terminal preware install thing. that's odd that it's not working Aug 27 05:40:00 i'd like to know what version i currently have of a program... Aug 27 05:41:58 I'm going to backtrack and see if I skipped a step during install. For some reason I cannont get access to the pre. I figure its something stupid I did. Aug 27 05:43:29 has anyone applied the "Message Landscape" patch? Aug 27 05:44:01 Jake: do you have devmode on? Aug 27 05:44:21 Yup. Aug 27 05:44:30 destinal: I've been asking about it since the release that did postinst Aug 27 05:44:35 I'd try stopping and restarting the novacom service Aug 27 05:44:46 oil: which was what, this morning? :) Aug 27 05:44:58 yeah Aug 27 05:45:00 haha Aug 27 05:45:49 so how do i get terminal to work? Aug 27 05:47:20 i was hoping i could install it and BAM! it would work... but sadly, not the case Aug 27 05:47:23 HattCzech, you send pizza to destinal Aug 27 05:47:36 zsoc: it looks like the source for palmvideoencoder isn't out there, at least not in the packages I'm looking through Aug 27 05:47:40 ok, night all! be back tommorow Aug 27 05:47:44 destinal: what's your address and what kind of pizza do you like? Aug 27 05:47:46 destinal, thank you for looking ^_^ Aug 27 05:48:06 hahah :) Aug 27 05:48:20 :) I'm updating my preware install -- I don't have today's Aug 27 05:49:53 this background app thing is much trickier than i anticipated Aug 27 05:51:43 Ok. I think I might have found a problem. I'm on Windows 7 64 bit. When I plugged the pre into the computer, the novacom linux driver failed to install. Could that be the cause? Aug 27 05:51:51 yup Aug 27 05:52:05 that needs to be installed for it to work Aug 27 05:52:15 Jake: check this out -- http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Novacom_with_Windows_7 Aug 27 05:53:13 Ah. That should help a lot. Let me smack myself and fix that. Aug 27 05:53:25 heh, no worries :) Aug 27 05:55:08 aha Aug 27 05:55:15 I know why terminal won't install Aug 27 05:55:47 generally the root fs is read only when it tries to make the symlink Aug 27 05:55:55 lol Aug 27 05:55:57 on my copy Aug 27 05:56:00 it just up and fails Aug 27 05:56:03 without doing anything Aug 27 05:56:29 well I haven't tried it yet but that's at least one of the things wrong with it Aug 27 05:57:49 I'm trying to uninstall the On-Screen Keyboard patch, but i keep getting the response "Patch Not Applied". When i try to quilt push the patch, it says it's already applied... Any ideas? Aug 27 06:02:26 opo it Aug 27 06:02:30 pop* Aug 27 06:03:03 When i do it says "No Patch Removed" that's with "quilt pop" & "quilt pop -f" Aug 27 06:03:20 oil: does preware install postinsts for everything including all dependencies? Aug 27 06:03:29 Can i just copy the files from the WebOS Doctor & replace the modified ones? Aug 27 06:03:43 oil: because termplugin is what has the postinst Aug 27 06:03:46 not terminal Aug 27 06:03:52 right Aug 27 06:03:56 i try to install termplugin first Aug 27 06:04:05 and it goes right to the "install failed" message Aug 27 06:04:12 without seeming like it does anything Aug 27 06:04:15 (there is no wait) Aug 27 06:06:08 is it me or is preware rather slow to start with our current feed size? Aug 27 06:08:25 oil: ok so long as your root fs is mounted read-write and you install termplugin first then terminal, everything is good Aug 27 06:08:38 so I need to add the remount to the postinst Aug 27 06:09:09 also we need to fix preware so it does postinsts for all dependencies Aug 27 06:09:22 and prerms etc Aug 27 06:09:58 well the latter probably doesn't matter since we won't be doing recursive uninstalls I guess Aug 27 06:10:09 but postinst for sure Aug 27 06:10:15 so Aug 27 06:10:20 its not something you can install with preware Aug 27 06:10:30 since a virgin isnt mounted read-write Aug 27 06:10:39 right, but that'll be fixed in a minute here Aug 27 06:11:08 and as far as dependencies Aug 27 06:11:11 its something thats being worked on Aug 27 06:11:27 so if you try to install terminal, itl install the plugin first if you dont already have it Aug 27 06:11:37 as it is now, you have to install the plugin first Aug 27 06:11:45 (which isn't hard to tell someone to do) Aug 27 06:13:30 Well, it looks like installing the novacom drivers did the trick. Thanks. Aug 27 06:13:52 Jake: cool, glad you got it going. Aug 27 06:14:41 hmm, someone else will have to fix the postinst and prerm scripts since I can't get into git.webos-internals.org any more for some reason Aug 27 06:14:41 Me too. I'm glad its a pepkac thing and njot something wrong with my pre. That would suck. Aug 27 06:14:57 destinal: awwwwwwwww Aug 27 06:15:26 it's an easy fix, just add mount rw at the top and ro at the bottom Aug 27 06:15:45 rwhitby or someone could do it for now I guess Aug 27 06:15:53 or anyone with commit rights Aug 27 06:16:04 Even when it's automated, i fail at patching Aug 27 06:16:37 Jake: it's hard to get things so hosed up on your pre that you can't get in, worst case you can fix just about anything with webos doctor Aug 27 06:16:45 and booting into recovery mode Aug 27 06:17:02 That's good to know. Aug 27 06:17:29 * oil has been committing stuff to git.webos-internals.org Aug 27 06:18:04 oil: you can fix it in the makefile here: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=blob_plain;f=plugins/termplugin/Makefile;hb=HEAD Aug 27 06:18:50 then just increment the version and commit+push and life should be good Aug 27 06:19:30 so i need to clone http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=summary Aug 27 06:19:31 ? Aug 27 06:19:54 I'd git clone git@git.webos-internals.org:/preware/build.git Aug 27 06:20:26 right Aug 27 06:20:30 that was listed on that page Aug 27 06:20:55 so Aug 27 06:21:06 what do i do to the make file besides changing the version to 0.2.1? Aug 27 06:21:28 ah nm I found the proper keypair, may be able to do this myself Aug 27 06:21:43 * oil leaves it alone then Aug 27 06:22:06 oh, ugh Aug 27 06:22:41 ah nm they use different targets for x86 and arm scripts, good Aug 27 06:23:06 cause the emu doesn't need rw/ro? Aug 27 06:23:09 was afraid they'd be the same script and it would cause trouble with the emulator to remount stuff. someone was obviously thinking ahead Aug 27 06:23:26 lol Aug 27 06:26:27 * oil is ready to test it out for ya when its up Aug 27 06:27:27 Zuchmir2: is termplugin git HEAD stable? Aug 27 06:28:34 I haven't done anything with it in 0.2.x+, but others may have Aug 27 06:30:13 * oil has no clue Aug 27 06:31:41 we really need tagging and to have the autobuilder pull from a tagged version Aug 27 06:36:17 oil: well, I've committed the fix and a new version number so you should see it hit the feed soon Aug 27 06:36:17 ugh, i've been sitting so long, my ass leveled up Aug 27 06:36:37 Robi_: lol Aug 27 06:36:53 oil: hopefully git HEAD isn't broken somehow between 0.2.0 and now Aug 27 06:37:14 (again, really need build from tag) Aug 27 06:37:24 yeah Aug 27 06:38:05 well, it builds every 15, right? Aug 27 06:38:08 so 11:45 Aug 27 06:38:43 how wasteful Aug 27 06:38:52 don't think it's on the 15 exactly though Aug 27 06:39:55 http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/buildlogs/autobuild-mason-last.txt Aug 27 06:40:05 (what rwhitby linked me once) Aug 27 06:40:18 so, 11:45:02? Aug 27 06:40:21 xD Aug 27 06:40:43 Does Preware create a log for failed installs? Aug 27 06:41:45 not yet Aug 27 06:41:48 its on the todo list Aug 27 06:42:56 Is there any way i could see why the Virtual Keyboard install would fail? Or do i just have to wait it out until the log? Aug 27 06:43:30 yeah, i dont know anything about the keyboard ipk they just put in there Aug 27 06:43:44 okay, thanks for the info Aug 27 06:45:13 k its running Aug 27 06:45:35 oh the wait is over! Aug 27 06:46:30 make[1]: Entering directory `/home/preware/build/plugins/termplugin' Aug 27 06:46:30 make[1]: Nothing to be done for `package'. Aug 27 06:46:30 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/preware/build/plugins/termplugin' Aug 27 06:46:31 awww Aug 27 06:47:02 so maybe it's not pulling them from the right place or something? Aug 27 06:47:03 hmm Aug 27 06:47:08 idk Aug 27 06:47:24 I'd look into it more but I have to get to bed Aug 27 06:47:26 work tomorrow Aug 27 06:47:29 yeah Aug 27 06:47:33 i got that stuff tomorrow, too Aug 27 06:47:52 whoever's still on can work with rwhitby on it when he's around :) Aug 27 06:48:24 night all Aug 27 06:48:30 he will read this Aug 27 06:48:32 and fix it up Aug 27 06:48:34 yeah Aug 27 06:48:36 lol Aug 27 06:48:42 sleep tight ;D Aug 27 06:58:19 hey guys Aug 27 06:58:37 ANy news on the new WebOS update? Will there be one for the initial Bell launch today? Aug 27 06:59:23 this should be on the wiki http://www.theburningbiscuit.com/Pictures%20for%20site/Demotivational%20Posters/Rules.jpeg Aug 27 07:00:06 lol Aug 27 07:01:33 I'm excited for the Bell launch today Aug 27 07:03:06 woohoo Aug 27 07:03:07 1.2 Aug 27 07:03:19 New update? Aug 27 07:03:36 possible launch today (rumor of course* Aug 27 07:03:38 )* Aug 27 07:04:07 Something todowith the Bell Mobility launch today in Canada? Aug 27 07:04:22 could be Aug 27 07:04:40 I hope to see the P|C homebrew #'s skyrocket Aug 27 07:04:46 Would be nice to sell one to a customer and have an update available Aug 27 07:04:47 by tomorrow Aug 27 07:05:10 http://s860.photobucket.com/albums/ab161/mitzihowl0989/?action=view¤t=shark.jpg Aug 27 07:05:10 lol Aug 27 07:05:13 oops Aug 27 07:05:27 spoilers: I work for Bell Mobility Aug 27 07:05:33 do you? Aug 27 07:05:37 just in case you guys needed to know Aug 27 07:05:46 Yea. I'm in a corperate store Aug 27 07:05:48 are you an actual bat? Aug 27 07:05:51 * DraX waits for pre gsm :( Aug 27 07:06:11 http://www.silvergames.com/game/this-is-the-only-level/ Aug 27 07:06:21 I hope they let me order a Pre today for a discount price Aug 27 07:06:34 I'm hoping for a $250 - $300 sweet spot Aug 27 07:07:20 It's $199 no? Aug 27 07:08:27 On a new 3 year contract Aug 27 07:08:37 But those of us working in stores with dealer lines pay a bit more Aug 27 07:08:45 3 years? pain! Aug 27 07:08:47 It's a no contract phone so I'm alright with it Aug 27 07:09:07 The Tour costs $250 for us to buy for our Demo lines Aug 27 07:09:23 I think you guys would like this: http://www.demotivateus.com/posters/devided-by-zero-demotivational-poster.jpg Aug 27 07:09:24 So the Pre is $50 less at $599.95 so I'm hoping for $200 - $300 Aug 27 07:10:24 I really like mine now execpt for the obvious problems (memory management/lag, build quality) Aug 27 07:10:40 The Pre? Aug 27 07:10:54 Yup Aug 27 07:11:54 I loved it when I used it for the first time Aug 27 07:11:59 I'm getting rid of my iphone for it Aug 27 07:12:05 you used one before? Aug 27 07:12:16 Yea Aug 27 07:12:19 We have a store demo Aug 27 07:12:22 ah Aug 27 07:13:23 Ican't wait to get the extended battery for it Aug 27 07:13:35 The smaller one that only adds 4 cm Aug 27 07:13:35 ugh Aug 27 07:13:42 I have the 1350mah Aug 27 07:13:54 I barely make it through the day with it Aug 27 07:14:00 Is that the one that's still normal sized? Aug 27 07:14:11 yes Aug 27 07:14:17 I thought about it Aug 27 07:14:22 Because of the touch stone Aug 27 07:16:16 I do a lot of texting Aug 27 07:16:44 So I need an extended battery Aug 27 07:17:31 you might like this being from Canada: http://i27.tinypic.com/10pramh.jpg Aug 27 07:17:48 mmmm Aug 27 07:17:56 Love Canadian tatas Aug 27 07:18:06 where? Aug 27 07:18:12 All I see is the CN Tower.... Aug 27 07:18:22 lol Aug 27 07:19:00 did you just now discover demotivational posters or something? Aug 27 07:19:30 nope Aug 27 07:19:37 just food a great collection Aug 27 07:19:40 found* Aug 27 07:20:18 lol Aug 27 07:23:25 Please God take this Motorola Q and give me a Pre Aug 27 07:23:47 * rwhitby is back Aug 27 07:23:48 I thought you had an iPhone? Aug 27 07:23:59 It doesn't work Aug 27 07:24:05 Water damage Aug 27 07:24:05 rwhitby: read up Aug 27 07:24:28 oil: what do you need? Aug 27 07:24:46 destinal fixed termplugin Aug 27 07:24:56 it needed rw/ro in the postinst Aug 27 07:25:03 but the autobuilder didn't do its job Aug 27 07:25:29 You know I'm wondering if we shouldn't do the rw/ro in ipkgservice Aug 27 07:25:43 apparently termplugin needs it Aug 27 07:25:58 anything running a postinst on the Pre will need it Aug 27 07:26:11 ah Aug 27 07:29:09 TheBat: does Bell Mobility allow tethering? Aug 27 07:29:51 I don't think any carrier "allows" tethering Aug 27 07:29:55 Dear jesus no Aug 27 07:29:59 Correct me if I am wrong Aug 27 07:30:00 sure they do Aug 27 07:30:03 Eguy: all australian carriers do Aug 27 07:30:06 Rogers does with their iphone plans of 1GB or higher Aug 27 07:30:12 they love it. extra revenue. Aug 27 07:30:18 They say oh sure, tether away? Aug 27 07:30:22 (since there are no unlimited plans) Aug 27 07:30:25 without a plan ad-on? Aug 27 07:30:30 Yep Aug 27 07:30:33 sure - they charge for data Aug 27 07:30:38 At least till the end of the year they said Aug 27 07:31:09 it's only carriers that inordinately subsidise data costs that hate tethering Aug 27 07:31:29 if a carrier charges you the full cost of data, they love tethering Aug 27 07:32:15 "full cost" Aug 27 07:32:16 lol Aug 27 07:32:31 hahaha Aug 27 07:32:39 i could only imagine if my cable connection was at cell company data prices Aug 27 07:32:40 jeasus Aug 27 07:32:51 per-mb prices? Aug 27 07:32:58 VZW charges $30 Aug 27 07:33:06 that is insanity at it's finest Aug 27 07:34:00 like paying for text messages Aug 27 07:34:10 something that costs the carriers $0 Aug 27 07:34:10 I used to pay 2c/Kb for GPRS Aug 27 07:34:13 its 100% profit Aug 27 07:34:30 Yep, VZW's prices are retarded Aug 27 07:34:36 Sprint is sensible Aug 27 07:34:39 and T-Mo Aug 27 07:34:54 broadband carriers that charge by the MB don't care about p2p traffic either Aug 27 07:35:01 they love it Aug 27 07:35:58 anyways Aug 27 07:36:02 enough about shitty companies Aug 27 07:36:12 more about fixing termplugin for my vergin pre Aug 27 07:36:14 virgin* Aug 27 07:36:16 don't get me started on being charged to recieve calls and SMS's either - what kind of retarded society allowed that? Aug 27 07:36:40 How old is your virgin pre? Aug 27 07:36:47 idk Aug 27 07:36:53 i got it a couple weeks after launch> Aug 27 07:37:24 nevermind Aug 27 07:37:27 bad joke Aug 27 07:37:28 moving on Aug 27 07:37:35 Eguy: I got it ;-) Aug 27 07:37:40 shes not 18 yet Aug 27 07:37:42 oil: building now Aug 27 07:37:53 lol Aug 27 07:38:16 I have a weird thing with terminal .2 Aug 27 07:38:22 ends are cut off Aug 27 07:38:28 seems the autobuilder can't pull from the new server when I'm not logged in. I think I cloned from the ssh url instead of the normal one. Aug 27 07:38:38 lol Aug 27 07:39:56 that's now fixed Aug 27 07:40:27 aha Aug 27 07:40:37 * oil still gets "error installing" right off the bat Aug 27 07:40:40 ;( Aug 27 07:40:59 oil: what's dbus-util --capture say? Aug 27 07:41:22 i haven't gone through getting command line access Aug 27 07:41:24 I showed off my on-screen keyboard today to an iphone user Aug 27 07:41:33 yeah but but Aug 27 07:41:35 speechless Aug 27 07:41:38 pwned Aug 27 07:41:45 lol Aug 27 07:42:21 oil: better display those stdOut and stdErr arrays to the user then .... Aug 27 07:42:25 (in Preware) Aug 27 07:42:35 lol Aug 27 07:42:38 yeah Aug 27 07:42:46 ive got to hit the sack though Aug 27 07:42:58 so ill check it out tomorrow Aug 27 07:43:05 cool Aug 27 07:43:49 so I will do rw/ro for all postinst and prerm script executions in ipkgservice on the Pre but not the Emulator Aug 27 07:43:58 (dunno how yet, but I'll do it) Aug 27 07:44:16 lol Aug 27 07:44:17 ok Aug 27 07:44:43 oil: I may work some on the finalisation flags too Aug 27 07:45:00 (i.e. rescan, restart luna, restart java-serviceboot) Aug 27 07:45:23 although I think that will mainly be in Preware, with just some extra ipkgservice methods to do those things Aug 27 07:45:33 yeah Aug 27 07:45:35 and itl just call them Aug 27 07:45:44 yep Aug 27 07:45:46 the dependency stuff is all in the service right now? Aug 27 07:45:55 for preware to run the right stuff Aug 27 07:46:01 you should get Depends: info Aug 27 07:46:08 in source? Aug 27 07:46:10 or by itself Aug 27 07:46:16 Depends: is a true field Aug 27 07:46:38 the Finalisation flags will be in Source: json Aug 27 07:46:50 I'll do something in the feed builder for that Aug 27 07:48:02 9ok Aug 27 07:48:08 im goin to sleep Aug 27 07:48:18 cya mate Aug 27 07:48:28 I ought to as well Aug 27 07:48:58 * rwhitby bbl Aug 27 08:26:56 destinal: yes, terminal+termplugin in the HEAD is stable, but must update terminal for new termplugin, as sendEnter() is no longer supported by plugin Aug 27 10:37:06 Zuchmir2: have you already updated terminal for new termplugin? Aug 27 12:08:01 if anyone has any ideas: http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1555 Aug 27 13:14:14 Anyone awake who has Linux access and has Preware installed? Aug 27 13:14:30 I need someone to test something on the Pre (I don't have one) Aug 27 13:17:53 awake, access, but don't have preware on it Aug 27 13:18:40 I was about to head back to sleep. What's up Rwhitby? Aug 27 13:19:27 Ikyo: can you please update to ipkgservice 0.7.3, and then do a "dbus-util --capture 2>&1 | grep webosinternals" while removing and installing termplugin? Aug 27 13:19:49 I need to check if it is unlocking and locking the rootfs properly on a Pre. Aug 27 13:47:09 if anyone has any ideas: http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1555 Aug 27 15:00:17 hola Aug 27 15:00:53 English only chat. /kick AnOutsider Aug 27 15:09:00 *bitchslap* Aug 27 15:17:49 :) Aug 27 15:49:12 rhitby: the terminal/termplugin that are in the HEAD do work together Aug 27 15:51:03 dont they always work together? Aug 27 15:52:07 the question was whether the current terminal was stable w/current plugin Aug 27 15:52:28 as the new plugin brakes old terminal Aug 27 15:52:35 breaks Aug 27 15:57:26 thats why there are dependency lines in the feed :D Aug 27 15:57:46 you could always set that line to the exact version you need Aug 27 16:03:38 Zuchmir2: I updated both at once Aug 27 16:03:55 so if they were stable in HEAD last night the packaged versions are good Aug 27 16:07:01 I hope someone with a pre from bell canada comes on and can contribute their model code Aug 27 16:08:05 destinal: ? model code ? Aug 27 16:08:36 Holy Christ there was a line up outside our store for the bloody things Aug 27 16:10:01 I guess people here in Canada really want this one Aug 27 16:10:14 TheBat: do you have one? Aug 27 16:11:09 Nope. They don't let me buy from store stock Aug 27 16:11:17 lol Aug 27 16:11:23 I have to wait until they become available on our employee discount site Aug 27 16:11:28 I'm pissed they aren't right now Aug 27 16:11:35 probably sometime next week Aug 27 16:11:45 Or tomorrow by the earliest Aug 27 16:12:48 Any floor models? I just want someone to go into device info, more info, hardware, and look at MODEL: Aug 27 16:12:55 like the Sprint phone is P100EWW Aug 27 16:12:55 Yea we have a floor model Aug 27 16:13:09 I've been trying to root it but it doesn't have a dev mode Aug 27 16:13:28 TheBat: can you get that model code? Aug 27 16:13:29 And it has a program that always runs in the background called "Demo" Aug 27 16:13:40 Yea. I'll take a look Aug 27 16:14:03 I'm not gonna be backat work for a few hours Aug 27 16:14:08 but I will post it on the forums Aug 27 16:14:23 or in here Aug 27 16:15:00 cool Aug 27 16:16:11 yeah my local store has that demo shit too Aug 27 16:17:11 I've had fun playing around with it Aug 27 16:17:43 I compared it to my iphone right to the Palm Rep Aug 27 16:17:44 detinal: good, just, i already updated via preware, to test that it worked Aug 27 16:18:07 PuffTheMagic: where are the dependencies lines? Aug 27 16:18:10 He was happy that I preferred his device to it Aug 27 16:20:35 Zuchmir2: "Depends: termplugin (=x.y.z)" Aug 27 16:20:38 add something like that Aug 27 16:21:57 to which file? Aug 27 16:22:01 I guess probably we'll have more canada folks come on here later Aug 27 16:22:52 I'd love to help figure out how to get them into dev mode, but without a device or doctor image, it's rather hard :) Aug 27 16:23:19 they dont have the konami code? Aug 27 16:23:25 We have to konami code Aug 27 16:23:31 I used it on a customers Aug 27 16:23:33 oh ok Aug 27 16:23:42 destinal: could be the floor model doesdnt have dev mode, put prduction ones do Aug 27 16:23:52 destinal: is there a changelog for the terminal? Aug 27 16:24:04 TheBat: you have a konami code then? Aug 27 16:24:15 Yes Aug 27 16:24:18 cool Aug 27 16:24:21 Just doesn't work on the demo models Aug 27 16:24:25 makes sense Aug 27 16:24:44 and you probably shouldn't doctor a demo model into the standard firmware Aug 27 16:24:50 :) Aug 27 16:24:53 Too late Aug 27 16:25:01 lol Aug 27 16:25:05 That demo BS is getting old Aug 27 16:25:28 popping up every 10 min Aug 27 16:26:18 I wonder if the demo units have the same model code as standard ones also Aug 27 16:26:33 might be good to check one of each Aug 27 16:26:48 Will do Aug 27 16:30:21 As far as I can see they both have the same funtionalitiy and everything Aug 27 16:38:50 eh yelp is borked Aug 27 16:38:50 :S Aug 27 17:17:03 you know what would be nice is to have a roaming profiles app Aug 27 17:17:22 i.e I can choose with one button to enable wifi/disable bt for home use Aug 27 17:17:27 and vice versa for the car Aug 27 17:17:30 etc etc. Aug 27 17:17:36 agreed Aug 27 17:17:38 get on it Aug 27 17:18:30 lol Aug 27 17:18:38 one day Aug 27 17:19:01 heh Aug 27 17:19:06 I think we all wish we had clones Aug 27 17:19:16 lotta apps I wanna do Aug 27 17:20:56 whoa I didn't know that I could update the other homebrew apps via ipkg. Aug 27 17:20:57 nice Aug 27 17:21:43 Iwill miss the song finder app from my iphone Aug 27 17:21:56 Where it records from the mic and tells you what song is playinh Aug 27 17:22:29 jauderho install preware Aug 27 17:22:40 I didt Aug 27 17:22:43 but only can it do that, but it can SHOW YOU which ones updates are available for Aug 27 17:22:44 I did Aug 27 17:22:52 it's so cool Aug 27 17:23:13 I was doing a ipkg upgrade and it picked up new packages for shoutcast Aug 27 17:23:23 along with the new preware 0.7.4 Aug 27 17:26:28 @TheBat: I used that app maybe 3 times. And it was the novelty of first installing it. Rarely have I ever not known what song was playing (internet radio, satellite rado or mp3 players are my main music sources), but even if.. with how sluggy the iphone OS is lately, I doubt I'd be able to whip it out in time to use it Aug 27 17:27:20 I used it all the time in the bars and clubs. And OS 3.0 on the iphone isactually pretty snappy... Aug 27 17:27:32 Less than 10 seconds from tapping the icon the app is up Aug 27 17:27:50 But the palm pre has changed since I first saw it Aug 27 17:28:07 The menu is sluggish and somewhat unresponsive from our floor demo Aug 27 17:28:29 the pre definitely needs a speed boost, but OS 3.0 is NOT snappy for me Aug 27 17:28:44 Mind you I went from an iphone 3G to 3GS Aug 27 17:28:48 quite the opposite. Heck, even flipping between homescreens is slow for me at times. Resets and restores do nothing Aug 27 17:29:04 lol, then it's not OS 3.0 you're referencing, but the proc4essor in the new 3GS Aug 27 17:29:07 Has to be a fluke Aug 27 17:29:19 My girlfriends ipod touch is still very responsive Aug 27 17:29:25 I know a few others witht he same issue Aug 27 17:29:29 and even 3.0 on my old iPhone 3G is still fast Aug 27 17:29:31 you keep comparing apples to oranges Aug 27 17:29:36 yeah, the 3gs processor is essentially the same as the pre: cortex-a8, 256KB L2 Aug 27 17:29:42 regardless, that's why I stopped using it Aug 27 17:29:52 which is in my experience for most stuff 2-3x faster than a generic arm11 with no L2 Aug 27 17:29:56 and I refuse to upgrade to the 3GS to get features available on the 3G with a jailbreak and a compass Aug 27 17:29:57 Yea. The Palm Rep couldn't tell me much about the graphics capabilities of the Pre though Aug 27 17:30:14 it's an omap3430 Aug 27 17:30:25 cortex-a8, 256K L2, SGX gpu Aug 27 17:30:50 Yea all he could tell mewas that the pre was the first device with a new TI hardware Aug 27 17:31:07 which, incidentally is the same gpu on the 3gs, i believe Aug 27 17:31:41 it's a pretty common gpu option to buy when building a chip Aug 27 17:32:46 Sweet Aug 27 17:33:09 my next buy will be a Zune HD Aug 27 17:33:34 yeah? Aug 27 17:33:46 lol I'll have a 3GS, Pre and Zune Aug 27 17:33:58 when i first saw it i had a slight tinge of Want, but got over it pretty quick Aug 27 17:35:09 I always want Aug 27 17:35:33 i do too, but so happens not in the handheld device market Aug 27 17:35:39 i mostly want in the computer market Aug 27 17:35:54 lol I just upgraded to a Core i7 920, 12 Gb DDR3 RAM and a GTX 295 Aug 27 17:35:59 TheBat: the zune hd looks extremely sexy, but the lack apps might push me to choose what ever the 3rd gen ipod touch has in store. Aug 27 17:36:00 I'm set there for a while Aug 27 17:36:06 yeah, i'm holding off that upgrade for as long as possible Aug 27 17:36:16 intheory intel is gonna drop the thing after core i7 Any Day Now Aug 27 17:36:24 Core i5 Aug 27 17:36:45 it's slower than Core i7. It's meant to be the actual choice for desktop users Aug 27 17:36:54 anything that causes the core i7 prices to drop would be great Aug 27 17:37:00 they've been pretty much fixed for the last year Aug 27 17:38:20 problem with handheld music things is i have about 40GB of music Aug 27 17:38:31 so i'm waiting for 64GB devices to become the home Aug 27 17:38:47 i have no problem with flash based stuff, much prefer that to a spinning harddrive Aug 27 17:38:54 but i hate having to make decisions about what to put on it Aug 27 17:41:45 not confirmed if the iphone gpu is the same as pre Aug 27 17:41:50 some reports say yes Aug 27 17:42:08 C:\Users\Batman\Music 24.8 GB (26,683,235,207 bytes) Aug 27 17:43:02 but others speculate SGX535/SGX540 which is double the perf Aug 27 17:44:40 did the precentral forums just take a nosedive or is it just me? Aug 27 17:45:50 jauderho: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/forums.precentral.net Aug 27 17:46:53 gak Aug 27 17:47:08 it went down for me as well but it's back Aug 27 17:47:11 it's me. FML Aug 27 18:01:55 whoa. snowleopard.wikidot.com killed wikidot. Aug 27 18:02:02 all I get is a blank page now Aug 27 18:08:22 hi ! just some question .. i try to change the port of dropbear ... since it called by opt/etc/init.d i have modified the /opt/etc/default/dropbear ... but that dosent work ... Aug 27 18:08:52 and i can find where they have put the "-g -F -p 222" option Aug 27 18:08:56 can't* Aug 27 18:09:22 Hey guys Aug 27 18:09:38 Sup broseph Aug 27 18:10:07 Not much dude.. trying to remove the amazon app.. Aug 27 18:10:26 Any ideas as to how I can look up the long app name that need to be supplied to ipkg remove ? Aug 27 18:13:04 Why would you want to remove an Amazon app? I hope they have a canadian version ready so i can purchase tunes on the go Aug 27 18:18:19 TheBat: you didn't buy your phone yet? Aug 27 18:22:49 Nope Aug 27 18:23:00 I can't until tomorrow at least Aug 27 18:23:35 Oh thought it went on sale everywhere in canada, must of just been toronto in the tweet earlier. Aug 27 18:24:04 it'S on sale from 8 oclock this morning Aug 27 18:29:33 RainMan: it's hardcoded in /etc/event.d/dropbear Aug 27 18:29:38 thx Aug 27 18:29:46 it'S already done ! .. Aug 27 18:29:59 but .. with an update .. i got to redo it right ? Aug 27 18:30:17 since it'S not in /opt/ ? Aug 27 18:30:21 yeah, because it's not really a config file Aug 27 18:30:43 i was going to fix it, but i'm not sure how to import env variables in upstart Aug 27 18:30:52 kk thx ! at least i'm not on the default port now Aug 27 18:31:11 So when I do get my Palm Pre, any suggestions as to what homebrew apps I should install? Aug 27 18:31:11 i changed mine *to* the default port Aug 27 18:31:39 i've just finished of rooting mine ! ... Aug 27 18:31:51 but the theter will be on shortly ;) Aug 27 18:36:51 TheBat depends on what you want. Aug 27 18:38:23 any good source of homebrew app ? i just have precentral 4 now Aug 27 18:38:35 I want lots of good shit Aug 27 18:42:08 RainMan: do you have a bell canada palm pre? Aug 27 18:42:13 yup< Aug 27 18:42:20 Can you check the model # on it? Aug 27 18:42:29 w8 i pop the cover Aug 27 18:42:42 not needed Aug 27 18:42:46 just go into device info, more info, hardware, and look at MODEL: Aug 27 18:43:18 RainMan: also, congrats on the new toy :) Aug 27 18:43:18 p100EWW Aug 27 18:43:31 ok, same as the sprint pre's then, good to know Aug 27 18:43:35 thanks Aug 27 18:45:01 ;) 1.1.0 built 83 Aug 27 18:45:59 What dioes your "Carrier" say on that same screen? Aug 27 18:46:13 same screen as model Aug 27 18:46:31 what does uname -a say? Aug 27 18:47:07 firmware cc1.2(334) Aug 27 18:47:26 oh they got build 83 sprint got build 143 Aug 27 18:47:28 hm m Aug 27 18:47:39 Linux castle 2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 #1 175.1.23 armv7l unknown Aug 27 18:47:51 uptime Aug 27 18:48:35 got woggle? Aug 27 18:48:52 So wait Aug 27 18:48:59 okay so same kernel Aug 27 18:49:01 Bell got raped by the firmware gods? Aug 27 18:49:43 hehe Aug 27 18:52:00 verizon used to be bell too right? Aug 27 18:52:16 and the google map dosent rotate Aug 27 18:52:16 ;) Aug 27 18:52:18 lol Aug 27 18:53:32 but gotta go ! Aug 27 18:53:45 a+ Aug 27 18:53:48 hehe Aug 27 18:53:54 in commercials it rotates Aug 27 18:53:55 ;) Aug 27 18:53:58 probably 1.2 build Aug 27 18:54:01 aw, he never got the carrier name Aug 27 18:54:14 carrier name "bell" Aug 27 18:54:21 rain-GONE: thanks! :) Aug 27 18:55:13 what elese it should be? Aug 27 18:55:18 bell-canada? :P Aug 27 18:55:28 or sprint Aug 27 18:55:28 :p Aug 27 18:56:04 en0x: well there's no http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/pre_p100eww/webosdoctorp100ewwbell.jar :( Aug 27 18:56:21 ;( Aug 27 18:56:33 give it a week Aug 27 18:56:34 ;] Aug 27 18:57:54 but at least we know it's still a p100eww, so the differences are just software Aug 27 18:58:54 tomorrow i gotta go to sprint storer to fix my battery issue and get a pre without wiggle effect Aug 27 18:59:02 hopefully they will give it to me Aug 27 18:59:08 not just say "they all wiggle" Aug 27 19:00:34 well too late for the school lol Aug 27 19:02:25 Get a piece of foam Aug 27 19:02:34 Isn't that all they did to fix the battery? Aug 27 19:04:31 RainMan: mind being our eyes into the bell pre a bit more? :) Aug 27 19:04:48 RainMan: can you cat /etc/palm/palm-customization-info Aug 27 19:07:40 w8 Aug 27 19:08:00 there may be some interesting hints there Aug 27 19:08:47 Howdy all, Ikyo you here? Aug 27 19:08:48 damn i want my touchstone .. that usb port is a pita Aug 27 19:09:10 RainMan: yeah I just got mine Aug 27 19:09:17 RainMan: touchstone is god :) Aug 27 19:09:23 Broadcast message from root (Thu Aug 27 15:08:39 2009): Aug 27 19:09:23 powerd: System woke up. Aug 27 19:09:38 damn i cant let the ssh run all day long lol Aug 27 19:09:39 RainMan: running terminal? Aug 27 19:09:42 or ssh Aug 27 19:09:43 ding dign ding haha Aug 27 19:09:45 ssh Aug 27 19:09:59 but i want to install a terminal directly on the pre Aug 27 19:10:00 What IRC client do you use on the Pre? Aug 27 19:10:12 irssi Aug 27 19:10:14 none i'm in front of the pc hehe Aug 27 19:10:16 There is a terminal app for that Aug 27 19:10:19 RainMan: just so happens we have one http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Terminal Aug 27 19:10:27 ho nice Aug 27 19:10:43 but it'S weird hat we have the "adduser" but not the "rmuser" Aug 27 19:10:44 lol Aug 27 19:10:51 And I was planning on trying irssi, wasn't sure if it would look reasonable on the pre Aug 27 19:10:58 yeah, quirks of openembedded Aug 27 19:11:13 k4p741nkrunch: use bitchx Aug 27 19:11:13 :p Aug 27 19:11:15 I irssi from ssh/screen on my Pre, looks fine Aug 27 19:11:30 bitchx ftw Aug 27 19:11:37 bitchx sux Aug 27 19:11:37 bitchx is gay Aug 27 19:11:41 **** Aug 27 19:11:44 rainman@castle:~$ cat /etc/palm/palm-customization-info Aug 27 19:11:44 BUILDNAME=Nova-BellMo-Castle Aug 27 19:11:44 BUILDNUMBER=83 Aug 27 19:11:44 CUSTOMIZATION=bellmo Aug 27 19:11:44 BUILDTIME=20090717211733 Aug 27 19:11:44 BUILDMARK=182251 Aug 27 19:11:46 **** Aug 27 19:11:46 Sweeeet I'll do that in a few Aug 27 19:12:02 Anyone here use Baseline for backing up the Pre? Aug 27 19:12:09 I just got it to work Aug 27 19:12:11 RainMan: thanks, we have a winner Aug 27 19:12:20 RainMan: your doctor image is at: http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/pre_p100eww/webosdoctorp100ewwbellmo.jar Aug 27 19:12:34 ewwwww bellmo Aug 27 19:12:47 d/L and saved ;) Aug 27 19:13:46 You guys know what the TelephoneInterf process is that runs on the Pre sometimes? Aug 27 19:13:57 Took up 50 MB of my RAM this morning Aug 27 19:14:43 its a rootkit Aug 27 19:14:44 ;] Aug 27 19:14:55 lol Aug 27 19:15:01 aww shucks. Aug 27 19:15:03 Damn my pre got hacked !!! Aug 27 19:15:04 =oP Aug 27 19:15:08 App request: AV for Pre Aug 27 19:15:38 :P Aug 27 19:16:24 Also I had a BrowserServ running with no apps open taking up 70 MB. This was after leaving it to charge overnight. Aug 27 19:17:20 I had to reboot and kill them both,, my battery was whittling down like the aspirin bottle in John Madden's announcer booth Aug 27 19:20:08 I killed the convo.. :'( Aug 27 19:20:36 heh Aug 27 19:20:40 someone know what is the device "bsl0" ? Aug 27 19:21:29 eth0 Aug 27 19:21:36 or evdo interface Aug 27 19:21:44 evdo = ppp0 Aug 27 19:21:52 so its wifi :p Aug 27 19:21:52 bsl0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:1D:FE:4B:05:BF Aug 27 19:21:52 inet addr:10.1.1.10 Bcast:10.1.1.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 Aug 27 19:21:52 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 Aug 27 19:21:52 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 Aug 27 19:21:52 TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 Aug 27 19:21:52 collisions:0 txqueuelen:500 Aug 27 19:21:54 RX bytes:0 (0.0 B) TX bytes:0 (0.0 B) Aug 27 19:22:04 or who knows Aug 27 19:22:04 :S Aug 27 19:22:06 no eth0 is wifi Aug 27 19:22:30 Maybe bsl0 is a placeholder for USBnet? Aug 27 19:22:35 may be Aug 27 19:22:44 heh i only used 170mb of data over this month Aug 27 19:22:45 :S Aug 27 19:22:59 So you must not have word ace Aug 27 19:23:04 nope Aug 27 19:23:12 i have wifi everywhere Aug 27 19:23:20 at work at home at friends house Aug 27 19:23:20 etc Aug 27 19:23:31 any torrent client work on the pre ? ;) Aug 27 19:23:32 lol Aug 27 19:23:38 Yeah I don't get a cell signal in my house so I am on wifi 90% of the time Aug 27 19:23:41 And yeah there is Aug 27 19:24:01 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/RTorrent Aug 27 19:24:14 omg omg omg ! bell will not like me !;) Aug 27 19:24:42 Nobody will like you for torrenting on your Pre, except your own ego :P Aug 27 19:24:46 hehe Aug 27 19:25:03 same with tethering Aug 27 19:25:04 :P Aug 27 19:25:11 i have a server fot that ! but some time it'S faster to d/L the torrent directly hehe Aug 27 19:25:38 I just wish I could ARP poison my Pre. I haven't tried it but I don't think it would work Aug 27 19:25:49 damn speedtest.net dosent work =o/ Aug 27 19:26:04 k4p741nkrunch ont eh wifi it will work Aug 27 19:26:12 ;) Aug 27 19:26:16 Oooooh I'm going to starbucks Aug 27 19:26:54 what for? Aug 27 19:26:55 :P Aug 27 19:26:56 we should be able to crack wep also .. but dunno for the processing time of the cpu Aug 27 19:26:58 use kismet Aug 27 19:26:59 ;] Aug 27 19:27:12 RainMan: tether your phone with laptop ;) Aug 27 19:27:14 Any way to adjust the ssid from AoNet on MyTether? Aug 27 19:27:22 RainMan: the biggest issue you'll have is monitor mode and injection, we probably can't do either one Aug 27 19:27:38 Nah Kismet won't work Aug 27 19:27:46 k4p741nkrunch: for sure there is just tap on the name Aug 27 19:27:53 btw we can;t talk about tethering here Aug 27 19:27:53 :S Aug 27 19:27:55 well .. what chipset the wifi use ? ;) Aug 27 19:27:57 I think they're coming out with a new version of Ruby that will make it work Aug 27 19:28:23 I wasn't sure because it wasn't the wiki, but still public, I'll keep it in mind Aug 27 19:28:34 RainMan: marvell sd8xxxx Aug 27 19:28:35 Same chipset as the iphone Aug 27 19:28:42 enox why ? we cant talk about it ! .. i'Ve talked for 20 min with the sale guy this morning lol Aug 27 19:28:55 destinal damn =o/ Aug 27 19:29:15 mayeb a usb wifi card .. ;) Aug 27 19:29:17 Does BellMo offer tethering? Aug 27 19:29:19 metasploit works :P Aug 27 19:29:37 psykoz no i've droped the jaw of the sale guy this morning with that lolol Aug 27 19:29:43 k4p741nkrunch: of course, it's a linux box, ipkg-opt install ruby etc :) Aug 27 19:29:46 we have to instruct ppl ;) Aug 27 19:29:46 lol Aug 27 19:30:09 K4p: I think you should get cpuspeed working for me :) Aug 27 19:30:30 RainMan: is there any official bell mobility policy regarding tethering? Aug 27 19:30:59 destinal well dunno i've not taken the time for that ! .. gotta play with my toy for now ;) Aug 27 19:31:04 official boring stuff later Aug 27 19:31:05 ;) Aug 27 19:31:07 :) Aug 27 19:31:28 or never... ;) Aug 27 19:31:43 anyway i dont think we have the right to "root" or device anyway Aug 27 19:31:57 we aren't rooting it Aug 27 19:32:06 Uhm Aug 27 19:32:15 we'Re gettin acces to what we paid for! ;) Aug 27 19:32:19 YOu absolutely have the capability/rights to do such by downloading palm's SDK Aug 27 19:32:45 Well let's see, even after a Doctors appointment your phone won't install it cleanly. I imagine you downloaded the zip, extracted the cpuspeed plugin to /opt/sbin and chmod -x'ed it, then edited cet-cpuspeed with exec /opt/sbin/cpuspeed -i 2 -M 600000 -r -p 55 75 AFTER the pre-existing commands Aug 27 19:32:45 and placed it in /etc/event.d Aug 27 19:32:55 palm sdk .. you code with their java platform etc Aug 27 19:33:02 rooting it you can code un c++ ;) Aug 27 19:33:08 a little bit more powerfull imo Aug 27 19:33:25 RainMan, you don't get it, Palm's SDK gives you NovaTerm which is >a terminal< to root Aug 27 19:33:29 K4p: Yeap, I tried to even run it manually and it took a bit sh!t Aug 27 19:33:48 Have you tried any of the other cpu scaling options? Aug 27 19:33:51 psykoz aaa yea my bad Aug 27 19:33:54 no Aug 27 19:34:05 If those do the same thing it could be a faulty cpu and you could have it replaced Aug 27 19:34:16 Having trouble with non-responsiveness or heat at all? Aug 27 19:34:32 nope Aug 27 19:36:45 Hmm, well first I would try using 500000 as your -M value instead of 600000 Aug 27 19:36:57 Maybe your phone hates the overclock Aug 27 19:38:07 Palms jaw probably hit the floor when they saw all of what was done in a month to their little baby Aug 27 19:38:33 I can't remember are the stock settings OC'ed too? Aug 27 19:38:39 Nah, I think they actually wanted this type of response to their Pre Aug 27 19:38:49 They're like "How the hell did they find that Konami code! Somebody kick out cryptologist in the crotch" Aug 27 19:39:19 A few of the people who work for Palm already know what pain Apple has had to go through to try and make the homebrew community illegitimate, legal issues, secure the phone, etc and continues to play cat and mouse with them. Aug 27 19:39:43 Stock settings are not, but the exec line I told you to use are. Just to verify here's the stock exec line in my script Aug 27 19:39:55 exec /opt/sbin/cpuspeed -i 10 -p 60 80 -M 500000 -a /sys/devices/platform/lcd.0/panel_state -A 10 -C -D -r Aug 27 19:40:03 I tried it with stock and it still sh!t Aug 27 19:41:51 can you type cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor Aug 27 19:41:51 and tell me the result Aug 27 19:42:01 no Aug 27 19:42:02 :P Aug 27 19:42:29 en0x can you type rm -rf and tell me the result :P Aug 27 19:42:52 um Aug 27 19:42:56 you forget the / Aug 27 19:43:00 rm -rf / Aug 27 19:43:11 portman@castle:~$ cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor Aug 27 19:43:14 userspace Aug 27 19:43:14 userspace Aug 27 19:43:17 You forgot that when you use forget in past tense it is forgot, not forget. Aug 27 19:43:23 ;) Aug 27 19:43:35 fat fingerz Aug 27 19:43:37 # rm -rf / Aug 27 19:43:37 rm: "/" may not be removed Aug 27 19:43:39 ;( Aug 27 19:43:51 lol Aug 27 19:43:56 I could be a lot worse then rm -Rf / Aug 27 19:43:57 en0x, clearly that is a bug :( Aug 27 19:44:05 its a feature Aug 27 19:44:05 ;] Aug 27 19:44:09 try rm -rf /* Aug 27 19:44:09 ;] Aug 27 19:44:26 really, REALLY should not type that in here. We do get 'new' users Aug 27 19:44:34 [; Aug 27 19:44:45 mount -o remount,rw / first Aug 27 19:44:51 just for kicks Ikyo can you make sure you have the same available frequencies Aug 27 19:44:52 cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_freque Aug 27 19:44:53 ncies Aug 27 19:44:54 mount -o rw,remount / && rm -rf / Aug 27 19:45:00 that will do the trick ;) Aug 27 19:45:02 lol Aug 27 19:45:07 cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies Aug 27 19:45:11 nah, just do a mount -o remount,rw / && rm -Rf /etc/fstab Aug 27 19:45:12 roorootfs_open -w Aug 27 19:45:12 is enough Aug 27 19:45:20 hahaha Aug 27 19:45:23 rootfs_open -w && rm -rf / Aug 27 19:45:42 i hope nobody try all the cmd we paste Aug 27 19:45:44 Oooh will that unlock 5g? Aug 27 19:45:56 we miss a noob like " hey .. why my pre is bricked now" Aug 27 19:45:56 ;) Aug 27 19:46:00 rootfs_open is for lulz Aug 27 19:46:01 even with rm, you can't brick it Aug 27 19:46:18 webos doctor can still recover that Aug 27 19:46:25 600000 550000 500000 250000 125000 Aug 27 19:46:26 bpadalino|work the recovery is hardcoded in the chipset ? Aug 27 19:46:35 Okay so no surprise there ikyo Aug 27 19:46:38 RainMan: it's on another partition Aug 27 19:46:39 yes Aug 27 19:46:43 ho nice! Aug 27 19:46:59 should try playing around with bootie sometime Aug 27 19:47:02 and beyond that, there are OMAP drivers that allow you to write to flash over USB .. Aug 27 19:47:07 palm are not too stupid i gess ... they realy want us to play in the code ;) Aug 27 19:47:16 RainMan: I think that's just a side effect Aug 27 19:47:20 You don't have a smartreflex file in /etc/event.d do you Aug 27 19:47:25 making it resilient serves their purposes as well Aug 27 19:47:51 nope Aug 27 19:47:51 Has anyone here used Baseline for a backup of the Pre? Aug 27 19:48:17 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 882 Jul 18 00:18 start_update* Aug 27 19:48:17 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 87 Jul 18 00:21 storaged Aug 27 19:48:17 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 103 Jul 18 00:18 swaphack* Aug 27 19:48:18 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 88 Jul 18 00:18 sysfs* Aug 27 19:48:18 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 296 Jul 18 00:23 systemsoundsloader* Aug 27 19:48:24 bpadalino|work: you could just boot the bootloader (bootie) over USB into recovery mode and run doctor also Aug 27 19:48:28 I just got it to work and esentially it saves the state of your Pre and can restore it to exact state Aug 27 19:48:35 Howdy Aug 27 19:48:40 Hiyo Aug 27 19:48:45 does anyone know how to keep the screen from going dark? Aug 27 19:48:56 i am running an extended test and the phone is plugged in Aug 27 19:49:02 v4lyfe stay with your finger on the screen =oP Aug 27 19:49:03 Play music Aug 27 19:49:11 destinal, but if you dd that partition to be 0's .. i figure bootie would be gone - and you'd end up with essentially an erased flash Aug 27 19:49:25 Well that won't help the screen but it will keep it from sleeping Aug 27 19:49:27 luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.display/control/setProperty '{"onWhenConnected":true}' Aug 27 19:49:42 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Patch_webOS_Changing_the_%22Turn_off_after_X%22_time Aug 27 19:49:52 And you can actually install the patch that makes standby time never Aug 27 19:50:05 v4lyfe, if you don't care about the screen and just want the phone to stay on, play music Aug 27 19:50:06 it isn't never Aug 27 19:50:10 instead of sleeping Aug 27 19:50:19 it is like 3 or 4 hours Aug 27 19:50:22 does playing music slow it doen? Aug 27 19:50:37 it takes cpu resources, yes Aug 27 19:50:37 because it is pretty slow Aug 27 19:50:38 destinaL: that seemed to work Aug 27 19:50:40 gracias Aug 27 19:51:01 v4lyfe: de nada Aug 27 19:51:08 how i can keep my wifi on with screen off? Aug 27 19:51:26 it stays on if connected Aug 27 19:51:33 I can ssh just fine into the pre Aug 27 19:51:37 i used the power botton to turn of the screen Aug 27 19:51:42 and it lost wifi connection Aug 27 19:51:52 well dont do that Aug 27 19:52:10 en0x: the screen goes off when it goes into sleep mode Aug 27 19:52:12 powerd: System woke up. Aug 27 19:52:20 ikyo can you run this too cat /sys/power/sr_vdd1_autocomp Aug 27 19:52:26 K4p: I pretty much have said screw the LED thing right now. Aug 27 19:52:36 sleep mode = no linux :) Aug 27 19:52:56 0 Aug 27 19:53:05 Ikyo it messed up on me this morning and persisted playing the script because I deleted a text without reading it Aug 27 19:53:36 I tried a reboot and a battery pull, nothing stopped the script from running Aug 27 19:53:43 Had to edit it out of cron for now Aug 27 19:53:53 It didn't mess up :) The text is still listed as unread just deleted. If you run the SQL query it will show the text still there. Aug 27 19:54:24 How can I restore it Aug 27 19:54:43 I had no other problems with it Aug 27 19:54:52 It shouldn't see it now. It only checks for the past 5 minutes Aug 27 19:55:15 just run the script manually and see if it does anything Aug 27 19:58:12 aww crap I guess I just deleted the script Aug 27 20:00:29 Hmm I just noticed there's an updated script on the wiki Aug 27 20:00:44 And he mentions it doesn't work when the Pre sleeps, but on mine it does Aug 27 20:00:45 k4p741nF41L Aug 27 20:01:17 That script is the same as mine....because it is mine Aug 27 20:01:38 Well I was trying to sleep this morning and every minutes I'd hear Trinity say "Dodge this..*GUNSHOT* and I couldn't turn it off Aug 27 20:02:12 I love that wav, when I reject a call it feels badass Aug 27 20:03:01 And Ikyo remember when you had me remove the y=4 and x=4. I just noticed in the new script you have y=$((y+1)) Aug 27 20:03:12 is that the only thing you changed? Aug 27 20:03:37 does that script have an exit; in it? Aug 27 20:03:51 yeah you had me put exit 0 Aug 27 20:04:09 As long as that one does, you are fine Aug 27 20:04:18 stupid question ... what command should i do to install an ipk file directly from root? (SDK doent work on my pc) .. ipkg -o ? Aug 27 20:06:47 ipkg -o /var install Aug 27 20:06:54 Ok so Ikyo, there's another script made by VitViper that uses the original script but implements smartflex. Usually I'd say avoid smartflex to fix an issue, but it couldn't hurt to try it Aug 27 20:06:56 thx Aug 27 20:07:31 you have to recompile cpuflex...I might do that later on. Working on getting the messaging tones done. Aug 27 20:10:27 To be honest if you just follow the steps on the wiki to manually set the values for up-threshold, max and min frequency you should see the same effects Aug 27 20:11:17 I might do that in a little bit unless you want to take this over :) Aug 27 20:13:47 I was also thinking about trying to do a 'All Read' function for email. Would people want that? Aug 27 20:14:10 I want to know why my email notifies me when I have it set to manual Aug 27 20:14:32 Is it doing it when the screen is off/locked? Aug 27 20:14:47 probably, haven't paid much attention Aug 27 20:14:55 but get annoyed when I see the email icon in the bottom right Aug 27 20:15:24 Ohh, not popping up on the screen. It will always show that if you have unread email. Aug 27 20:15:39 I sometimes lose track ok my emails and they get down the list and hard to find Aug 27 20:16:11 Yeah but he has it set to manual sync but it still downloads emails Aug 27 20:16:15 Automitically Aug 27 20:16:17 It's a bug Aug 27 20:16:24 no Aug 27 20:16:41 All manual means is that you have to tell it to sync. Aug 27 20:17:06 Meaning that if you don't hit any buttons, the phone won't download emails Aug 27 20:17:13 Correct? Aug 27 20:17:35 there is a bug about that manual sync Aug 27 20:17:35 depends on what you mean download Aug 27 20:17:40 in email app Aug 27 20:17:46 Well show you you have new ones Aug 27 20:17:49 Damn bugs Aug 27 20:18:10 If you go into the folder and push sync, it will pull all the messages in that fit what you set. It won't do anything after that until you tell it to sync again. Aug 27 20:18:17 I never want my email app to know about unread email until I go to it and say CHECK Aug 27 20:18:26 I called Arkin and asked for an exterminator, he told me I should go back to eating gum off the street Aug 27 20:19:02 It won't check until you tell it to. When you tell it to check it will pop up the message icon if you have unread messages. Aug 27 20:19:06 Ikyo, I never open my email app and it is set to manual and it tells me I have unread mail Aug 27 20:19:12 Right, but even when it's set to manual, when a new email appears on the server, it pops up on your phone Aug 27 20:19:22 So, you are telling me what it is SUPPOSED to do, not what it does do Aug 27 20:19:27 As if it was set to "as items arrive" Aug 27 20:19:36 Hmmm, let me check one second Aug 27 20:20:16 E go into your preferences and select Show Icon to off Aug 27 20:20:23 I'm thinking it could be a server issue, pushing out the email and not waiting for confirmation on the phone Aug 27 20:20:37 one second checking it Aug 27 20:22:08 It doesn't do it on my EAS work account Aug 27 20:23:11 Turning off the icon should fix it too E. Aug 27 20:24:07 ok i turned the icon off, hopefully I never see it again Aug 27 20:24:17 well at least not from my spamhoo account Aug 27 20:26:15 Okay guys I'm out Aug 27 20:26:23 Talk to you later Aug 27 20:28:05 maybe I can get lucky with all of this Aug 27 20:56:12 morning Aug 27 20:56:25 morning Aug 27 20:57:01 RainMan: welcome Aug 27 20:57:18 hi Aug 27 20:57:57 RainMan: found anything webos-internals that doesn't work on the bellmo pre yet? Aug 27 20:58:10 some patch Aug 27 20:58:21 but the rest run good Aug 27 20:58:38 now i'm stuck to find a way to import all my contact of outlook =o( ... Aug 27 20:59:35 export as csv then import to google contacts Aug 27 20:59:42 ho thx Aug 27 20:59:45 that's what I did. was a major pain Aug 27 21:00:05 since google contacts hoovers up all sorts of contact addresses Aug 27 21:00:08 jauderho: hang on, are you saying you updated a Palm app using ipkg -o /var upgrade ? Aug 27 21:00:15 yes Aug 27 21:00:20 inadvertantly Aug 27 21:00:49 jauderho: can you tell us the output of "ipkg -o /var info " ? Aug 27 21:01:25 jauderho: I don't see how ipkg -o /var could update a palm app, unless there is a conf file in /var/etc/ipkg/ for palm stuff .... Aug 27 21:01:59 rwhitby: see http://gist.github.com/176561 Aug 27 21:02:49 jauderho: none of those downloads are from Palm Aug 27 21:02:56 you upgraded homebrew only Aug 27 21:03:15 to clarify I did not mean an app from the app catalog Aug 27 21:03:21 but homebrew as you said Aug 27 21:03:34 jauderho: ah, ok. you got me wondering there. Aug 27 21:03:47 =) Aug 27 21:04:14 with the 0.7.4 install is executing the postinstall manually required? Aug 27 21:04:27 I assume so since the wiki has not been updated. Aug 27 21:04:34 rwhitby i will try all the patches and see with one dont work ! but i can do this for mow .. will haev to wait this night ;) Aug 27 21:05:02 jauderho: best to always execute it, just in case something has changed Aug 27 21:05:30 Gm Sjpeterman Aug 27 21:05:36 if I understand correctly, at some point this requirement will go away Aug 27 21:05:37 RainMan: is the Preware app working fine for you? Aug 27 21:05:59 Preware ? Aug 27 21:06:02 jauderho: no, running postinsts is always required. ipkgservice 0.7.4 and later does it automatically. Aug 27 21:06:26 RainMan: you asked about homebrew apps. Preware has them all. Aug 27 21:06:48 to clarify again =) running the postinstall manually at the command line (<--- this requirement goes away) Aug 27 21:06:51 i've installer filecoaster Aug 27 21:07:09 but i will install preware juste not now ! gotta go ! Aug 27 21:07:11 I prefer preware now to filecoaster as preware tells you if there are updates available. Aug 27 21:07:15 RainMan: fileCoaster doesn't handle advanced homebrew, and only accesses one feed out of 6 Aug 27 21:07:15 will try that for sur ;) Aug 27 21:07:37 cya folks Aug 27 21:10:58 destinal: I looked on the BellMo site and it specifically excludes tethering in the T&C Aug 27 21:12:25 time to commute, bbl Aug 27 21:13:15 rwhitby: ah, ok Aug 27 21:13:53 this may be an idiot / easy question but how do I cause the wiki to preserve formatting in a block of program output ? Aug 27 21:14:08 destinal: http://www.bell.ca/shopping/popups/personal/wireless/dataplan_legal.jsp Aug 27 21:14:40 fine print point #11 "Excludes Mobile Connect and tethering with your device." Aug 27 21:16:22 destinal wrap your code in
tags Aug 27 21:17:04 destinal is editing the wiki! Oh Goody! Evangelism works!!! Aug 27 21:17:43 https://twitter.com/webosinternals/status/3587989197 Aug 27 21:18:17 Rick_work: heh, I've done stuff on the wiki since the previous one was new :) Aug 27 21:18:35 Rick_work: but 
 butchers the output by preventing wrapping for some reason
Aug 27 21:19:04  uh yeah.
Aug 27 21:19:10  it means preformatted.
Aug 27 21:19:16  what do you WANT to happen?
Aug 27 21:19:19  which page?
Aug 27 21:19:23  the default wiki mode when it detects output text is to allow wrapping but not to merge things together
Aug 27 21:19:31  but it's not detecting it here
Aug 27 21:19:54  So do we have three non-Linux-accessers who have installed the virtual keyboard using Preware?
Aug 27 21:20:26  I guess I should look at what tags it normally uses
Aug 27 21:20:59  Does anyone know who is working on the Prethemer?
Aug 27 21:23:57  Sjpeterman: AnOutsider.  I'm working with him to get the themes into standard advanced homebrew ipkg format so they can be installed with quick install and Preware.
Aug 27 21:24:08  des
Aug 27 21:24:15  double enter prevents merges
Aug 27 21:24:21  single enter does not
Aug 27 21:24:28  unless wrapped in code or pre tags
Aug 27 21:24:54  it's smarter than that though
Aug 27 21:25:04  in some circumstances
Aug 27 21:25:38  which page des?
Aug 27 21:25:44  well I guess I'll try 
, one sec
Aug 27 21:25:44  rwhitby: thank you. I've made a few themes and am very interested in this project. I'm looking forward to seeing it and wouldn't mind testing things out if needed.
Aug 27 21:26:51  ok, works well enough
Aug 27 21:26:53  http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Sprint_vs_Bellmo_Doctor_Differences_1.1.0
Aug 27 21:27:18  a lot more system services changes than I expected
Aug 27 21:28:09  different kernel also
Aug 27 21:28:34  what's that diff for?
Aug 27 21:28:39  for different carriers?
Aug 27 21:29:13  jcrawford: bell mobility released their palm pre today, it's a diff between the webos doctor of sprint and the webos doctor of bellmo  (both are 1.1.0)
Aug 27 21:29:29  lots of stuff to support french in canada
Aug 27 21:29:32  instead of spanish
Aug 27 21:31:43  interestingly bellmo's customization package (bellmo.tar) has some -sprint files (but they're different versions)
Aug 27 21:35:00  destinal: jar files could just be a new archive with the same contents
Aug 27 21:35:16  (i.e. timestamp differences and stuff)
Aug 27 21:35:23  true
Aug 27 21:35:55  what does the sweatshop package do?
Aug 27 21:38:16  browser start icon/bookmark panel  and some other luna config customizations
Aug 27 21:41:36  love the name
Aug 27 21:42:04  I'm trying out the bellmo sweatshop on my pre now to see how it lokos
Aug 27 21:42:06  looks
Aug 27 21:52:20  hmm, doesn't look like changing it out on an already installed pre does much
Aug 27 21:58:44 * rwhitby likes how bellmo and sprint have the same number of letters, so things like up nicely.
Aug 27 22:01:02  anyone found any more problems with Preware, apart from it not being able to update itself cleanly?
Aug 27 22:04:31  oil: does Preware install stuff on your virgin Pre now?
Aug 27 22:06:18  can someone access the following URL on their Pre for me?  http://localhost:8083/
Aug 27 22:10:09  i get some vm heap internals
Aug 27 22:10:36  useful for debugging which app is using all the memory?  it's too small for me to read on the emulator
Aug 27 22:11:16  shit load of links
Aug 27 22:11:16  :p
Aug 27 22:30:39  rwhitby: why not redirect to file, and copy the file to a "real" computer
Aug 27 22:31:07  Zuchmir2: yeah, I just ran wget on the emulator and looked with less
Aug 27 22:44:15  rwhitby: my preware updated itself just fine today.
Aug 27 22:57:05  folks, we need some more people to test the installation of the virtual keyboard using Preware
Aug 27 22:57:21  Decimation_: that's good to hear - so it's all working nicely now?
Aug 27 22:58:12  when the service is updated, it looks unclean (i.e. you don't get a final confirmation window) but the install should work fine.
Aug 27 22:58:50  rwhitby: yup
Aug 27 22:58:53  once we implement the PostInstallFlags, that will be fixed, and Preware should also then be able to warn you before installation that it will need to restart LunaSysMgr and kill your evdo connection
Aug 27 22:59:04  and i updated the virtual keyboard via preware.
Aug 27 22:59:25  but when uninstalling, you should give the option to restart luna after.
Aug 27 22:59:25  Decimation_: did you see a funny there?  I need to add subscription support to the upgrade area
Aug 27 23:00:25  im gonna walk up to starbucks with a few friends
Aug 27 23:00:27  cya guys.
Aug 27 23:15:37  any suggestions on this error: JAVASCRIPT: Error: Error: err: {"message": "contact is not defined", "type": "not_defined", "arguments": ["contact"], "name": "ReferenceError"}, file:///usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.messaging/index.html:0
Aug 27 23:16:06  Preware 0.7.5 should fix the update subscription oddity
Aug 27 23:18:14  So, anyone else able to test installation of virtual keyboard package using Preware?
Aug 27 23:19:05  i'll be back in like an hour, going to get a haircut
Aug 27 23:28:59  anyone know how to clear a List
Aug 27 23:42:37  iterate through it ?
Aug 27 23:46:35  there should be an easy clear or something method
Aug 27 23:56:15  you could amke one ;]
Aug 28 00:33:14  what is the Mojo.Log.X to show the contents of an array?
Aug 28 00:33:38 * rwhitby just learnt how to use git filter-branch --subdirectory-filter :-)
Aug 28 00:40:55  can the pre play ogg?
Aug 28 00:41:10  ogg?
Aug 28 00:41:17  i dont think so
Aug 28 00:41:52  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogg
Aug 28 00:42:31  audio specifically
Aug 28 00:43:21  oil: how do you know this?
Aug 28 00:44:27  guess?
Aug 28 00:44:30  edektor: no
Aug 28 00:44:50  the gstreamer on there doesn't have the vorbis plugin
Aug 28 00:45:09  it could though right
Aug 28 00:45:12  yes
Aug 28 00:45:15  and it will soon
Aug 28 00:45:51  i'm not sure how to package something that stomps on palms original libs so heavily though
Aug 28 00:45:58  k thanks
Aug 28 00:46:54  ajames: we can do that with a binary file replacement - it just needs some care in the postinst file in the ipkg.  Preware would be able to install and uninstall it.
Aug 28 00:47:14  would we break palm's upgrades though?
Aug 28 00:47:31  or just have to replace it over and over?
Aug 28 00:48:06  you'd have to uninstall it before upgrading
Aug 28 00:48:39  we really need a WebOS Version pseudo-package that all our version-specific ipkgs depend upon.
Aug 28 00:48:46  can i install the keyboard package and remove it later?
Aug 28 00:48:52  en0x: yes
Aug 28 00:49:03  please test doing so with Preware
Aug 28 00:49:12  and everything will be like it was before?
Aug 28 00:49:17  yep
Aug 28 00:49:26  ok lemme install it then
Aug 28 00:49:51  it will not install unless the md5sums of the files it is going to change are correct, and it will use the same patch to put those files back to that state when it uninstalls
Aug 28 00:50:12  it's like a surgeon :-)
Aug 28 00:51:21  its rebooting
Aug 28 00:51:40  rwhitby: i'm kind of hoping we can drop just the plugin .so in there and leave the rest of their gstreamer package alone
Aug 28 00:51:53  ajames: we can do that
Aug 28 00:51:54  everyone want the good news?
Aug 28 00:52:04  hmm
Aug 28 00:52:09  how do i turn it on hmm
Aug 28 00:52:19  Ikyo: I want some good news, yes.
Aug 28 00:52:21  lemme look on the wiki
Aug 28 00:53:16  The contact message tone patch is about 90% done.  I just need to find the variable used for the number of the SMS.  Once I have that, I think I should be good to test.
Aug 28 00:53:56  ok got it
Aug 28 00:56:30  rwhitby: so as of now, it safe to uninstall the virtual keyboard with preware
Aug 28 00:56:33  then restart luna
Aug 28 00:56:35  and install again.
Aug 28 00:57:08  Decimation_: you shouldn't need to restart luna in the middle - the postinst or prerm should do that
Aug 28 00:57:16  rwhitby: keyboard working fine
Aug 28 00:57:25  i dont like the default white crap black is better
Aug 28 00:57:37  en0x: talk to egaudet :-)
Aug 28 00:57:49  hehe
Aug 28 00:58:20  en0x: you can change the theme back to the black... although i prefer the white :D
Aug 28 00:59:06  its a bit laggy
Aug 28 00:59:16  rwhitby: okay, i went and hit remove and it worked fine
Aug 28 00:59:19  lets try to reinstall :D
Aug 28 00:59:52  en0x: not as laggy as no virtual keyboard at all ...
Aug 28 01:00:00  rwhitby: okay, installed
Aug 28 01:00:08  it automatically restarted luna
Aug 28 01:00:10  this is nice.
Aug 28 01:00:13  Decimation_: do it again, just for kicks
Aug 28 01:00:34  too much work :P
Aug 28 01:01:14  lol, worked beatifully.
Aug 28 01:01:25  so any patch can be added now?
Aug 28 01:01:54  Decimation_: yep, but someone needs to do the work for each, so it's gotta be a big impact patch to be worth it.
Aug 28 01:02:08  how do you do it?
Aug 28 01:02:56  Decimation_: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=tree;f=patches/virtual-keyboard;h=f74bc54ae7586bc01b0be10572b417f437c98aaf;hb=HEAD
Aug 28 01:03:10  self-explanatory ;-)
Aug 28 01:03:39  i say someone makes an app that compiles it al and such :P
Aug 28 01:03:43  all*
Aug 28 01:04:00  Decimation_: or a website ... like the PreThemer website will create ipkgs
Aug 28 01:04:17  PrePatches.com ...
Aug 28 01:04:33  get some advertising revenue
Aug 28 01:04:54  (to pay for the work you will need to do each time Palm releases a new WebOS version)
Aug 28 01:05:23  distribute them through Preware
Aug 28 01:05:54  hmm removal did not restarted my luna
Aug 28 01:06:18  anyone seen cookies persisting on their emulator?
Aug 28 01:06:30  ok beer time at work
Aug 28 01:06:31  ;D
Aug 28 01:06:51  i have removed my app with Templarian's addon and by holding the opt key and clicking, however it seems my app cookie is retained on the emulator between installs
Aug 28 01:06:53  en0x: that is true, that won't happen until we get PostRemoveFlags working in Preware
Aug 28 01:07:32  i've noticed that cookies stay (on emulator and device) when an app is removed
Aug 28 01:07:52  only way to remove is by using this.cookie.remove()?
Aug 28 01:08:23  yeah
Aug 28 01:08:34  but if you're deleting an app, that doesn't get called
Aug 28 01:09:26  which is frustrating
Aug 28 01:09:38  i found that out the hard way when i put too much info in a cookie
Aug 28 01:09:54  and deleting and reinstalling the app didn't fix it
Aug 28 01:09:55  damn
Aug 28 01:10:04  so what's the point of cookies then lol
Aug 28 01:10:06  rwhitby: there should be an option in the preferences menu to enable/disable luna restart after patch installation
Aug 28 01:10:12  hahahaha, GOOD question
Aug 28 01:10:17  if you were installing a bunch after you just restored your phone or whatever
Aug 28 01:10:23  it would be SOOO annoying.
Aug 28 01:10:38  Decimation_: there will be Flags attached to the metadata for packages, which tell Preware what it should do before and after installations and removals.
Aug 28 01:10:59  then Preware can ask if you want your evdo connection severed
Aug 28 01:11:26  (and only do it once, no matter how many dependencies you have that need it restarted)
Aug 28 01:11:41  guys, where can i find info on preware?
Aug 28 01:11:47  hmm, okay.
Aug 28 01:12:09  jmack: right here, http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware and http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/preware.git;a=summary
Aug 28 01:12:16  thank you!
Aug 28 01:12:33  jmack: hang around, and give us your alpha testing feedback
Aug 28 01:12:38  rwhitby: lol, people in the keyboard post at precentral are asking if there is an easier way to do that patching
Aug 28 01:12:42  absolutely, will do
Aug 28 01:12:54  shall i mention preware installs the keyboarD?
Aug 28 01:13:20  Decimation_: we're going to do a big PreCentral front-page announcement as soon as oil gets dependencies working in Preware.
Aug 28 01:13:49  until then, let's keep it our little secret in this channel ;-)
Aug 28 01:13:55  i imagine this will do away with file coaster rwhitby?
Aug 28 01:14:16  theres already some people speculating that the kb can be installed via preware :)
Aug 28 01:14:20  Decimation_: I hope that file coaster goes open source and uses ipkgservice as it's backend.
Aug 28 01:14:45  rwhitby: i doubt pregame will take it open source.
Aug 28 01:14:59  when updating the package manager service.. i just get a dialog box with 'application' as the title and an ok box
Aug 28 01:15:03  just FYI
Aug 28 01:15:29  Decimation_: on the contrary, PreGame and I had a discussion, and my assumptions about his intentions were completely off-base, so I apologised to him.
Aug 28 01:15:33  rwhitby: i say you throw a few ads into the preware app and make some money off it :D
Aug 28 01:16:27  HattCzech: hmm - can you replicate that and capture a dbus-util --capture trace?
Aug 28 01:16:30  anyone know where i can dl webos doctor? webos quick install doesnt seem to be able to do it on my computer for osme reason
Aug 28 01:16:40  rwhitby: it'd be a nice way to get yourself a pre to work on :D
Aug 28 01:16:41  jmack: check the webos doctor wiki page
Aug 28 01:16:56  Decimation_: I'm still hoping Palm will send me one.
Aug 28 01:17:17  hmmm... maybe
Aug 28 01:17:27  i'll throw the old version back on there and see if it happens again
Aug 28 01:17:27  HattCzech: oil reported the same thing, but I'm unable to reproduce it
Aug 28 01:17:29  rwhitby: cydia on the ipod racks in a bunch of the ads.
Aug 28 01:17:44  im on an imac, and on quick install i get the popup saying it needs webos doctor so i click ok, but then i never get any confirmation its dling or anything
Aug 28 01:18:10  s/of/bunch of/bunch off/
Aug 28 01:18:17  lol, waitt..
Aug 28 01:18:22  Decimation_: you'll notice the ad-free nature of the preware.org site?
Aug 28 01:18:43  hahaha, shit
Aug 28 01:18:52  just happened again when i installed the old version
Aug 28 01:19:09  but hopefully that means it'll work again when i dump the new one on there
Aug 28 01:20:00  rwhitby: lol, th is app REALLLYYY needs a progress bar.
Aug 28 01:20:11  rwhitby, what command should i run?
Aug 28 01:20:16  (to trace)
Aug 28 01:20:18 * oil wishes Decimation_ would stfu about a progress bar
Aug 28 01:20:37  HattCzech: dbus-util --capture 2>&1 | grep webosinsternals
Aug 28 01:20:37  :P
Aug 28 01:20:40  lol
Aug 28 01:20:43  HattCzech: then pastebin the output
Aug 28 01:21:13  it gave me no output
Aug 28 01:21:22  ran the command and done...
Aug 28 01:21:28  HattCzech: try again
Aug 28 01:21:36  k
Aug 28 01:21:39  sometimes it just returns on the first run for some reason
Aug 28 01:22:08  i run this after i install or before?
Aug 28 01:22:24  during the install
Aug 28 01:22:29  rwhitby: the blank message is because of the subscription to the service
Aug 28 01:22:43  and it runs serviceMessage(msg)
Aug 28 01:22:46  when msg is nothing
Aug 28 01:22:54  because there is a payload
Aug 28 01:23:07  oil: which line?
Aug 28 01:23:13  but its stage is not "completed" and return val is not > 0
Aug 28 01:23:17  urg, now it's telling me there's no update to the ipkgservice
Aug 28 01:23:30  203, 251, 301
Aug 28 01:23:34  in app-view-assistant
Aug 28 01:24:47  oil: that's where you're supposed to display the stdOut and stdErr strings ;-)
Aug 28 01:25:06  or update the progress bar
Aug 28 01:25:21  but yeah, I stuffed up not handling that case
Aug 28 01:26:14  still got nothing from that command... ran it like 5 times while installing the 0.7.4 ipkgservice
Aug 28 01:26:55  HattCzech: oops, type
Aug 28 01:26:57  typo
Aug 28 01:27:04  HattCzech: dbus-util --capture 2>&1 | grep webosinternals
Aug 28 01:27:20  I spelt webosinternals incorrectly
Aug 28 01:27:43  oil: are you going to fix that code, or shall I?
Aug 28 01:28:17  i could get to it
Aug 28 01:28:23  instead of messaging, store it to a db
Aug 28 01:28:39  oil: I'll just do a return there without displaying the message
Aug 28 01:29:00  oil: I'll do a quick checkin of a fixed version
Aug 28 01:29:25  I missed the "else return;"
Aug 28 01:29:28  on the update one
Aug 28 01:30:56  installing preware now, let you know what i think in a few
Aug 28 01:32:05  we know what you'll think
Aug 28 01:32:07  its awesome
Aug 28 01:32:12  but needs screenshots and descriptions
Aug 28 01:32:13  and a progress bar
Aug 28 01:32:26  lol im sure ill agree, just trying to be helpful...sorry i wont give my input then
Aug 28 01:32:37  it was a joke
Aug 28 01:32:59  hilarious ;)
Aug 28 01:33:38  does it take a while to load the first time? its been sitting at loading for over a minute
Aug 28 01:34:07  loading, or updating?
Aug 28 01:34:31  just says loading with a spinning circle, first time trying to open it
Aug 28 01:34:54  if it seems like its taking too long
Aug 28 01:34:57  just close it and reopen it
Aug 28 01:35:34  hmmm, i can't seem to downgrade preware to get that error to pop up
Aug 28 01:35:50  oil: we need a timeout and retry on that initial connection to the service :-)
Aug 28 01:35:57  he got to loading
Aug 28 01:36:06  that means it got past updating
Aug 28 01:36:17  or it skipped it because he didnt have internet connection
Aug 28 01:37:00  got it up now, had to restart the pre
Aug 28 01:37:55  im a fan
Aug 28 01:43:16  quick question tho, what is diff from other programs?
Aug 28 01:44:10  more win?
Aug 28 01:44:49  jmack: this one has support for postinst scripts so it can install more stuff like termina for example
Aug 28 01:44:51  your hilarious consumes me
Aug 28 01:45:07  also note the virtual keyboard in the webos patches category..
Aug 28 01:45:17  gotcha....when i tried to install a script i got "error installing", is it just still in development?
Aug 28 01:45:53  what one?
Aug 28 01:46:29  i tried a lot of different ones in the "services and plugins"...actually all of them
Aug 28 01:46:47  lolol
Aug 28 01:47:07  thanks for the answer
Aug 28 01:47:40  lol, jmack.. all and all is still being worked out from what i understand.
Aug 28 01:47:55  thanks dec
Aug 28 01:48:08  its alpha software
Aug 28 01:48:14  there IS bugs
Aug 28 01:48:20  lots of them
Aug 28 01:48:20  i liked "lolol" better
Aug 28 01:48:57  jmack: just go yell at the guy who's developing the preware app
Aug 28 01:49:09  i gotta warn you, he's an ass :P
Aug 28 01:49:19  shit
Aug 28 01:49:28  at least he hasn't asked for a progress bar yet
Aug 28 01:49:42  im not trying to yell at anyone...i think its an amazing app, i was just asking a question
Aug 28 01:50:01  jmack: do you have a network connection
Aug 28 01:50:01  lol, i guess im the only one whos sees the value of the progress bar :D
Aug 28 01:50:08  i think its a good idea
Aug 28 01:50:11  (see the pun there oil)?
Aug 28 01:50:12  its just not possible right now
Aug 28 01:50:15  Decimation_: everyone sees the value, but it's low on the priority list
Aug 28 01:50:20  value... progress bar..
Aug 28 01:50:22  yeah, i got it to load up now tho'
Aug 28 01:51:32  jmack: as for why preware, see http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/196977-towards-open-interoperable-homebrew-ecosystem.html
Aug 28 01:52:43  thanks
Aug 28 02:05:19  HattCzech: Preware 0.7.6 should fix the issue you were seeing with blank screens on update
Aug 28 02:05:30  With all of the great JS programmers in here, I am hoping that someone will be kind enough to help me out on something.  I am thinking this should be pretty simple, but I have been wrong before.
Aug 28 02:06:58  jmack: is Preware working for you now?  It should work for any package listed in any category.
Aug 28 02:11:34  okay cool
Aug 28 02:12:37  Hmmm something is wrong with my pre
Aug 28 02:12:40  it is not responsive
Aug 28 02:13:22  ruh roh
Aug 28 02:13:39  touch screen isn't responding to me
Aug 28 02:13:42  WTF
Aug 28 02:13:49  CALL THE DOCTOR!
Aug 28 02:14:12  I haven't even done anything that should require the doctor
Aug 28 02:14:14  did you install cpuspeed?
Aug 28 02:14:37  no
Aug 28 02:17:05  egaudet: I'd blame the keyboard ;-)
Aug 28 02:17:30  stupid keyboard I knew I shouldn't have installed it, damnit!
Aug 28 02:17:58  yeah, those guys who wrote and packaged it have no idea what they are doing.
Aug 28 02:18:25  yeah real jerks..
Aug 28 02:18:37  and don't get me started on those Preware idiots
Aug 28 02:18:47  so i take it no one has had any luck with the packaged keyboard in preware?
Aug 28 02:19:05  veritas_: actually, lots of people have had great success.
Aug 28 02:19:35  veritas06: give it a try and tell us how it goes
Aug 28 02:19:37  awesome, held power button flicked switch 3 times, hit "power off"
Aug 28 02:19:40  now how do i power on!
Aug 28 02:19:54  okay, good to know.  At least some people got it.  I'm going to replace all the pre-patched files with stock & try it again
Aug 28 02:19:54  veritas_: i have.
Aug 28 02:20:14  veritas06: i have.
Aug 28 02:20:15  I think my problem was that i had the patch first.  I'll try it with stock files
Aug 28 02:20:29  veritas06, yes 100%
Aug 28 02:20:36  it will NOT install without stock files
Aug 28 02:20:42  checks the md5sums first
Aug 28 02:20:55  veritas06: if you had patched it with quilt or manually, preware should recognize it, and you SHOULD be able to remove it from there, then proceed to try to install with preware.
Aug 28 02:21:27  Okay, at least i know now.  Thanks guys.  I did have it patched with quilt, used quilt pop -f to remove, but i get Install Failed
Aug 28 02:21:29  Decimation_, no if it was patched elsewhere (not installed with ipkg) then preware will never be able to install or remove it
Aug 28 02:22:08  run md5sum /usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/builtins/palmInitFramework191_15.js, what does it output
Aug 28 02:22:26  egaudet: i installed with the instructions in your therad
Aug 28 02:22:34  then was able to remove via preware.
Aug 28 02:22:55  that's not possible
Aug 28 02:22:58  I don't understand
Aug 28 02:22:58  it worked?!?
Aug 28 02:23:22  Decimation_, are you telling me you used quilt and that preware recognized it as installed after running quilt?
Aug 28 02:23:32  you know what doesn't work?
Aug 28 02:23:35  Mojo.Controller.errorDialog('wut?');
Aug 28 02:23:37  that
Aug 28 02:23:51  0e5cbf40b9d2f9856600169cc690200e  /usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/builtins/palmInitFramework191_15.js
Aug 28 02:23:54  i swear i installed with your instructions in the precentral thread
Aug 28 02:24:11  then uninstalled with preware
Aug 28 02:24:18  then reinstalled with preware
Aug 28 02:24:50  Decimation_: you must have installed the package somehow manually previously
Aug 28 02:25:09  Decimation_, yea how did preware uninstall something it has no knowledge of?
Aug 28 02:25:21  rwhitby: its possible, but not that i remember
Aug 28 02:25:25  maybe im loosing it?
Aug 28 02:25:30  Preware is pretty cool, but it's not sentient yet ...
Aug 28 02:25:37  how much alcohol have you had tonight?
Aug 28 02:25:48  :P
Aug 28 02:26:14  yet being the key word
Aug 28 02:26:30  cd /opt/src/modifications/frameworks
Aug 28 02:26:30  git pull
Aug 28 02:26:30  sh install_kb
Aug 28 02:26:35  i installed via that
Aug 28 02:26:41  then maybe i opened preware
Aug 28 02:26:46  and hit install?
Aug 28 02:26:54  Decimation_, no
Aug 28 02:26:55  then removed it that way?
Aug 28 02:26:59  you installed with preware first
Aug 28 02:27:05  or the install_kb did nothing
Aug 28 02:27:13  whats up guys, i had a quick question regaurding changing services (like the flashlight service) and installing with preware...  if i install that, should i uninstall it before updating if WebOS comes out with new firmware?
Aug 28 02:27:23  preware can't uninstall it unless the ipkg was installed, and it can't install it unless the md5sums of the files match the stock
Aug 28 02:27:46  but if you found something, please repeat it :)
Aug 28 02:28:05  egaudet: then idk wtf i did... maybe i just forgot something that i did.
Aug 28 02:28:19  sdkljfso: you should only need to uninstall patches
Aug 28 02:28:30  Is the keyboard patch available on webos-internals so i can see which files i have to replace with stock?  Without having to copy it from the Pre?
Aug 28 02:28:56  /usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/builtins/palmInitFramework191_15.js
Aug 28 02:28:56  http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=patches/virtual-keyboard.git;a=blob;f=add-onscreen-keyboard.patch;h=59796833552ac461e07ad0ffa2e37f48f96a0de8;hb=HEAD
Aug 28 02:28:56  and
Aug 28 02:29:03  okay, thats what i thought, i wasnt sure if the service package somehow changed and patched the pre, thanks guys and keep up the great work!
Aug 28 02:29:12  /usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/submissions/191.15/stylesheets/global.css
Aug 28 02:29:12  thank you
Aug 28 02:29:37  sdkljfso: we're very careful with the webos-internals services to not touch existing palm files, nor to put new files in places where palm might overwrite them.
Aug 28 02:29:41  So my touchscreen and gesture area don't work anymore
Aug 28 02:29:43  awesome
Aug 28 02:29:59  sdkljfso: I can't speak on behalf of services from other authors, especially closed source services.  they could be doing anything.
Aug 28 02:30:11  egaudet: did the doctor make a house call yet?
Aug 28 02:30:47  no but he's about to
Aug 28 02:30:51  ya ive only been using services from internals
Aug 28 02:31:28  sdkljfso: the filemgr closed source service from Jason is of unknown impact, cause it is closed source.
Aug 28 02:31:41  egaudet: don't worry - i've have to call my doctor twice.
Aug 28 02:31:50  i had a case of the stupid
Aug 28 02:32:05  (did I mention that I think services and plugins should be open source, so you can see what they are doing to your Pre?)
Aug 28 02:32:35  absolutely
Aug 28 02:32:40  the only services i have used are for for preware and also the flashlight
Aug 28 02:33:06  sdkljfso: hopefully you have the fixed flashlight service that doesn't have the inadvertent rootkit functionality
Aug 28 02:33:10  sdkljfso: if you have the original flashlight service, thats potentionally dangerous,
Aug 28 02:33:34  i got it yesterday or the day befroe through preware
Aug 28 02:33:48  should be ok then.
Aug 28 02:33:52  your safe.
Aug 28 02:34:06  great, thanks for the help guys - waiting patiently on this keyboard lol
Aug 28 02:34:16  sdkljfso: the keyboard is ready to go now
Aug 28 02:34:29  sdkljfso: give it a try and let us know how you go
Aug 28 02:34:39  through preware? - i havnt messed with anything other than that
Aug 28 02:34:46  yep, through preware
Aug 28 02:35:01  im excited
Aug 28 02:35:03  lol
Aug 28 02:35:15  http://www.myappcatalog.com/
Aug 28 02:35:16  any way of choosing a skin yet, or would i have to do that manually?
Aug 28 02:35:20  this guys making some cool apps :D
Aug 28 02:35:39  sdkjfso: in usb mode, go to the virtual-keyboard folder
Aug 28 02:35:46  the json file controls which theme is used.
Aug 28 02:36:11  Decimation_: how do you install apps from that site?
Aug 28 02:36:14  right, i was reading that on precentral
Aug 28 02:36:23  alright ill give it a shot, thanks guys
Aug 28 02:36:36  Decimation_: wow they're ugly
Aug 28 02:37:24  So is there only one file that the virtual keyboard modifies?
Aug 28 02:38:00  hmm.. error installing im running 0.7.6
Aug 28 02:38:26  ah, sorry, saw egaudet's post
Aug 28 02:38:55  awesome, pre's touchscreen is broken
Aug 28 02:39:12  maybe i should hold off on this untill further testing?
Aug 28 02:40:37  it's not because of any software
Aug 28 02:40:50  the actual hardware on my pre is broken :(  bootie diag boot confirms
Aug 28 02:41:14  :/ damn hardwarez0r
Aug 28 02:41:30  :( sorry to hear
Aug 28 02:41:54  ill be back on later or tomorrow, thanks again for the help
Aug 28 02:41:56  what have you been up to egaudet?
Aug 28 02:42:09  http://i28.tinypic.com/28i2aaa.png
Aug 28 02:42:10  eh?
Aug 28 02:42:18  sup all
Aug 28 02:42:38  anyone get a bead on the new patch data, still rumors of sept 4th?
Aug 28 02:42:55  oil: nice
Aug 28 02:43:38 * rwhitby spots the 0.7.7 version in the screenshot ;-)
Aug 28 02:43:49  I just thinl personally whether or not they release bellmo patch they are surely to release pre ecommerce patch
Aug 28 02:44:27  so sep4th or not there has to be one on the way
Aug 28 02:44:35  why would a touchscreen just all of a sudden stop working.  First they give me a pre with a bad speaker, now a bad touchscreen
Aug 28 02:44:48  i would say run the touchscreen test
Aug 28 02:44:51  but, you couldnt get to it
Aug 28 02:44:52  i know there is, i just want it to come so i cna release vulnerability details =p
Aug 28 02:45:03  whats the advantage of installing the kb on preware over manually? it will see the updates?
Aug 28 02:45:14  tharris-: you're just always chomping on that bit, aren't you ;-)
Aug 28 02:45:25  Yes
Aug 28 02:45:28  u should see me on xmas
Aug 28 02:45:50  jmack: no linux access required for Preware installation.
Aug 28 02:45:53  it is hard to have something you know others want to know and want to share
Aug 28 02:46:05  In future, the quilt method will be deprecated.
Aug 28 02:46:10  but i mean the people who are uninstalling via quilt, and then installing on preware....any advantage?
Aug 28 02:46:20  tharris prehax0r
Aug 28 02:46:31  psykoz: but a white hat one
Aug 28 02:46:34  jmack, updates
Aug 28 02:46:45  :)
Aug 28 02:46:49  i am the good guy, or u would all be in a little trouble right now =p
Aug 28 02:46:49  easier uninstalls, manageability, cleanup
Aug 28 02:47:01  sounds great
Aug 28 02:47:13  tharris- could have owned me a couple of times already
Aug 28 02:47:19  haha
Aug 28 02:47:27  i fixed that video btw
Aug 28 02:47:34  still have to make another one
Aug 28 02:47:40  oops, now you've let the cat out of the bag.
Aug 28 02:47:57  okay, let's see how this works.  Copying the stock files over
Aug 28 02:48:09  would be in bad taste to hack the founder of this channel, just my two cents
Aug 28 02:48:25  tharris-: yeah, there's got to be some reward for all this effort ...
Aug 28 02:48:50  im after a secure phone first, and a little PR... Hacking you does neither =]
Aug 28 02:49:28  plus now there are others on the hunt, so my quest is no longer a  solo one
Aug 28 02:50:55  when i touch the gesture area, SOMETIMES the center led lights up
Aug 28 02:52:07  egaudet: too much virtual keyboard use I'm afraid.
Aug 28 02:54:48  Yea, well I wish it would have at least turned into a puddle like the wiki warns
Aug 28 02:54:57  lol
Aug 28 02:55:36  hmm
Aug 28 02:55:48  egaudet: default theme for virtual keyboard is not nice :(
Aug 28 02:55:51 * oil stays away from osk 
Aug 28 02:55:52  i prefer black one
Aug 28 02:56:00  oh i'm a little buzzed
Aug 28 02:56:09  i should not drink at work
Aug 28 02:56:10  lol
Aug 28 02:56:54  en0x, it's a preference, and the black one is very easy to get back, and once you change it, future installs will not revert you :D
Aug 28 02:56:56  drinking at work makes it fun
Aug 28 02:57:03  wtf.  Replaced the two files with stock, & it still has the Installation Error
Aug 28 02:57:19  debugging is hard
Aug 28 02:57:19  veritas06, you are doing this through preware?
Aug 28 02:57:26  s/through/with
Aug 28 02:57:27  yes
Aug 28 02:57:48  tell me the md5sum output of those two files
Aug 28 02:58:12  md5sum /usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/builtins/palmInitFramework191_15.js
Aug 28 02:58:27  md5sum /usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/submissions/191.15/stylesheets/global.css
Aug 28 02:58:46  md5sum /usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/builtins/palmInitFramework191_15.js
Aug 28 02:59:02  cfefea45f252b28e62cbd719bdc358d6  /usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/submissions/191.15/stylesheets/global.css
Aug 28 02:59:13  oops
Aug 28 02:59:34  0e5cbf40b9d2f9856600169cc690200e  /usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/builtins/palmInitFramework191_15.js
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