**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 28 02:59:56 2009 Aug 28 02:59:57 anyone got a quick link of the webosdoctor md5sums wiki? Aug 28 03:00:00 0e5cbf40b9d2f9856600169cc690200e /usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/builtins/palmInitFramework191_15.js Aug 28 03:00:05 that is what my emulator has Aug 28 03:00:38 veritas06, that is from your pre? Aug 28 03:00:43 Yes Aug 28 03:00:43 those are good Aug 28 03:00:43 cfefea45f252b28e62cbd719bdc358d6 /usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/submissions/191.15/stylesheets/global.css Aug 28 03:01:21 I took them from the WeOS Doctor, put them on the device & copied them over Aug 28 03:01:51 well if you ran the above md5sum on the pre, then it is good Aug 28 03:02:35 Is there some other factor that would stop the install? or does it just check the sums? Aug 28 03:03:37 hey guys... i thought my pre was totally fried after surviving a rain storm, but apparently, after three days of sitting in damprid, i can get into "usb bootloader mode" Aug 28 03:03:48 if the patch fails Aug 28 03:03:55 do a ls -l /var/usr/bin/patch Aug 28 03:03:56 however, when i attempt to boot regularly, the screen flashes all crazy like Aug 28 03:04:04 what version preware are you using? Aug 28 03:04:18 egaudet, 0.7.6 Aug 28 03:04:27 i just started running webos doctor and it does the same thing Aug 28 03:04:29 very weird Aug 28 03:04:40 anyone know when it's loading the video drivers? Aug 28 03:04:59 because, i'm beginning to think i've friend just the video chip? :/ Aug 28 03:05:12 veritas06, what does 'ls -l /var/usr/bin/patch' output Aug 28 03:05:15 on pre Aug 28 03:05:46 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 229438 Aug 18 08:30 /var/usr/bin/patch Aug 28 03:07:11 you must have installed the preware patch utility before yesterday? Aug 28 03:07:26 with preware install the preware patch utility Aug 28 03:07:41 Yes, i forget the exact date, but it was before yesterday Aug 28 03:08:05 It's already installed, should i remove, reboot, & reinstall? Aug 28 03:08:18 remove, reinstall Aug 28 03:08:48 there was a bug that installed the patch utility without execute permssions, which is causing the keyboard failure since patch can't run. Aug 28 03:09:20 the ls -l command now outputs "no such directory" Is this correct? Aug 28 03:11:08 veritas06: did you reinstall? Aug 28 03:11:27 rwhitby: yes Aug 28 03:11:55 well that's fine, the keyboard should install now Aug 28 03:12:08 just uninstalling the patch utility should rectify the problem Aug 28 03:12:22 New update for it today? Aug 28 03:12:55 for what keyboard? Aug 28 03:13:03 nothing changed, just a postinst modification Aug 28 03:13:12 The patch utility. It said the last update was today, 11:07 Aug 28 03:14:02 don't think any changes to patch utility aside from execute permissions which was done I think yesterday Aug 28 03:14:08 http://i28.tinypic.com/30xd0yr.png Aug 28 03:14:11 ftw? Aug 28 03:14:27 nice Aug 28 03:14:30 oh snap Aug 28 03:14:34 I see what you did there Aug 28 03:14:34 hmmm, maybe i saw it wrong Aug 28 03:15:27 egaudet: org.webosinternals.patch 2.5.9.1 is now in the feeds Aug 28 03:15:42 2.5.9.1? Aug 28 03:15:43 wtf Aug 28 03:15:55 i dont use it Aug 28 03:15:55 :P Aug 28 03:16:16 ok good, so now will the dependency update it? Aug 28 03:16:34 if someone had 2.5.9 installed, they go to install keyboard, preware will update patch first right Aug 28 03:18:52 egaudet: hmm - Preware won't yet. dunno whether ipkg will or not Aug 28 03:19:01 (if it's already installed) Aug 28 03:19:18 so what else has been added that i need to handle? Aug 28 03:19:30 but it will at least show as "update available" Aug 28 03:19:37 egaudet: it did for me Aug 28 03:19:47 k cool Aug 28 03:19:56 and you put this Aug 28 03:20:06 Note: needs blarg.1 ti wirj Aug 28 03:20:08 to work* Aug 28 03:24:31 last night my phone mysteriously went to "phone offline" Aug 28 03:24:40 today i went to airplane mode on then off and it fixed that, Aug 28 03:24:44 mine sometimes go to flight mode Aug 28 03:24:50 who knows why Aug 28 03:24:53 but now the touch screen goes bad Aug 28 03:25:00 ;egaudet: mine hasd been doing that for a few days too Aug 28 03:26:05 time to switch comps. ~Back soon Aug 28 03:29:28 egaudet: Thank you so much for all your help. Just installed the keyboard & it's working great =] Aug 28 03:30:00 awesome! I hope you enjoy it, let me know any bugs you find Aug 28 03:30:17 yah its slow :P Aug 28 03:30:18 hahahaha Aug 28 03:30:30 j/k Aug 28 03:30:44 I will =]. So any updates that are released for the patch, can be upgraded through Preware now? Instead of having to reapply through quilt? Aug 28 03:30:45 lol, optimizing it is in the future don't worry Aug 28 03:30:57 yup v3ritas all preware now Aug 28 03:31:03 rwhitby: lol, no idea how to install them. Aug 28 03:31:04 Great =] Aug 28 03:31:36 yey Aug 28 03:31:47 30 more minutes and i'm going home to start weekend Aug 28 03:31:52 12 hrs shifts are bitch Aug 28 03:32:21 Why did I doctor my phone? Aug 28 03:32:23 WHY? Aug 28 03:32:30 because u suck? Aug 28 03:33:38 the patch section on my preware is not highlighted, so i can't click it Aug 28 03:33:52 0.7.7 Aug 28 03:34:19 also everytime i open preware it either doesn't load, or when it loads says i have an update for preware Aug 28 03:34:29 but when i update it, close and reopen, it says i have the same update Aug 28 03:34:32 Bah ok so my pre is fubar now Aug 28 03:34:41 no touch + doctor = useless Aug 28 03:34:41 cause rwhitby releases very often Aug 28 03:34:58 as far as updating itself, i too have noticed that problem Aug 28 03:35:01 i know he does but Aug 28 03:35:01 analog`: does the version number change each time or stay the same Aug 28 03:35:07 let me check rwhitby Aug 28 03:35:09 it stays the same Aug 28 03:35:15 and doesn't show an update anymore Aug 28 03:35:15 i'm on version 7.0 Aug 28 03:35:27 trying to update to 7.6 Aug 28 03:35:31 says application updated Aug 28 03:35:32 hit ok Aug 28 03:35:36 closing, and reopening Aug 28 03:35:49 7.0 Aug 28 03:35:53 yeah Aug 28 03:35:55 maybe i should use the command line Aug 28 03:35:55 analog`: use WebOS Quick Install to update it. Aug 28 03:36:00 thanks rwhitby Aug 28 03:36:06 thats what ive had to do Aug 28 03:36:11 where is the ipk located? Aug 28 03:36:16 in teh preware feed Aug 28 03:36:23 analog`: in the feeds that webos quick install shows to you Aug 28 03:36:30 (3rd button on the right in wqi) Aug 28 03:36:46 analog`: wqi verison 2.01 or later Aug 28 03:36:53 s/verison/version/ Aug 28 03:36:54 rwhitby meant: analog`: wqi version 2.01 or later Aug 28 03:38:15 rwhitby: is there a changelog for the preware patch utility? if so, where is it Aug 28 03:38:39 changed: YOUR FACE Aug 28 03:38:47 oil: nice. Aug 28 03:38:50 i try Aug 28 03:38:55 it shows. Aug 28 03:39:22 thats what the preware changelog would look like if i knew the wiki wouldnt be changed back almost instantly Aug 28 03:39:25 rwhitby, i have Wqi 2.01 but preware is not in the feed Aug 28 03:39:41 OH Aug 28 03:39:48 whole new tab if i had just looked Aug 28 03:39:53 * analog` is done talking, thanks all Aug 28 03:39:53 the lightbulb! Aug 28 03:41:32 haha Aug 28 03:41:37 atleast it wasn't like last time Aug 28 03:41:47 spent the day trying to access the linux, from linux Aug 28 03:41:54 rwhitby goes "did you type novaterm yet" Aug 28 03:44:15 Decimation_: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=blobdiff;f=plugins/patch/Makefile;h=51ff8e4ee84ffe423ab40539ebba6c486ee2e0e0;hp=b0b2e0c4d1414cebf08ffa951c0ec4b728661d26;hb=64baf04c86d5fe56609b91c778e1ac943dd82285;hpb=a2688dd0e6554c187f46aa6cec16deeb72b2f8bf Aug 28 03:44:32 * oil goes to get snacks Aug 28 03:44:46 * oil then does the service logging Aug 28 03:44:53 nice, ty. Aug 28 03:45:15 * oil liked his changelog better Aug 28 03:45:18 i'm out Aug 28 03:45:21 laterz Aug 28 03:47:35 so rwhitby, if this checks if you have the original files.. how will stuff work where two patches modify different parts of the same file Aug 28 03:47:46 once you do one. the other one wont be able to be installed? Aug 28 03:47:52 Decimation_: correct. Aug 28 03:48:09 the patches have to be merged, with preferences Aug 28 03:48:33 or a real patch management utility written Aug 28 03:49:52 Decimation_: I'm open to better suggestions :-) Aug 28 03:50:11 rwhitby: im actually thinking about how this could work out Aug 28 03:50:17 it cant be that hard, can it? lol Aug 28 03:50:22 heh Aug 28 03:50:50 my pre keeps running slow Aug 28 03:50:51 "first, do no harm" - that's the credo for patches in ipkgs Aug 28 03:50:57 hmm, whattodo, whattodo. Aug 28 03:51:10 analog`: run top to see what's hogging the cpu Aug 28 03:51:32 dbus-daemon Aug 28 03:52:21 what would be a better way to check if the patch is installed, other then md5 Aug 28 03:52:30 maybe keep a list of installed patches somewhere? Aug 28 03:53:09 then if a patch modifies an already modified file in a different spot, it will search for about 5 lines before the modification, then modifiy there. Aug 28 03:53:46 analog`: run dbus-util --capture to see what all the messages are about Aug 28 03:55:34 so, anyone still with issue installing virtual keyboard via Preware? Aug 28 03:56:07 haven't tried using preware to install the kb since it was so easy to do via the command line, but i will give it a shot later Aug 28 03:59:31 it will only be supported as ipkg going forward Aug 28 04:03:28 stdOut: Begin installation of org.webosinternals.accelservice,Installing org.webosinternals.accelservice (0.1.0) to root...,Downloading http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/preware/all/org.webosinternals.accelservice_0.1.0_all.ipk,Configuring org.webosinternals.accelservice Aug 28 04:03:34 comma seperated? Aug 28 04:03:54 it's an array of strings turned into json Aug 28 04:03:56 i just got an 'error installing' when i tried the virtual keyboard Aug 28 04:03:59 ah Aug 28 04:04:01 it just prints as an array Aug 28 04:06:56 ok rwhitby: http://webos.pastebin.com/d7563708a Aug 28 04:07:01 the second one would be the problem Aug 28 04:07:02 xD Aug 28 04:11:26 oil: what are you using to write to the log? Aug 28 04:11:57 oh? Aug 28 04:12:21 it doesn't look like Mojo.Log.something... Aug 28 04:12:27 lol Aug 28 04:12:30 alert() Aug 28 04:12:56 oh, so it is a standard log method? Aug 28 04:13:05 idk Aug 28 04:13:07 i use it though Aug 28 04:13:20 it works Aug 28 04:13:36 interesting... i hadn't seen that one... and it's not in the documentation :) Aug 28 04:14:05 for (p in payload) { alert(p + ": " + payload[p]); } Aug 28 04:14:10 is how i got that list Aug 28 04:14:14 of all the items in the payload object Aug 28 04:16:39 HattCzech: none of the good stuff is in the documentation ;-) Aug 28 04:17:06 hehehe, very true, which is why i have to ghetto-rig most of my code :) Aug 28 04:20:06 Hello Aug 28 04:20:34 damnit, they are going to try to make me buy ANOTHER invisi-shield! Aug 28 04:20:36 I'm trying to figure out how to install patch utility and virtual keyboard through preware Aug 28 04:20:48 Hello Hello Aug 28 04:22:27 Hello: what's your Precentral nick? Aug 28 04:24:09 Hey rwhitby its splmonster from Precentral Aug 28 04:24:16 Hello: tell us precisely what you've done so far, what documentation you are following (giving all URLs), what you were expecting to happen, and what actually happened. Be sure to include specific version numbers for all tools, services, plugins and applications. Aug 28 04:25:06 Hello: you might want to log back in using 'splmonster' Aug 28 04:25:12 Okay so I have already had quick install 2.01, and went ahead and installed Package Manager Service and Preware from preware.org and installed through quick install Aug 28 04:25:38 Hello: did you use the third button on the right in quick install ? Aug 28 04:26:01 I did not, was that my mishap? Aug 28 04:26:10 urg... i friggin hate dashboards... well, setting them up Aug 28 04:26:24 you don't need to download ipkgs - just use that button and select the packages from the feeds Aug 28 04:26:56 Okay installing patches and services through the Preware on the pre does not work yet? Aug 28 04:27:09 on the contrary, it does for most people. Aug 28 04:27:24 Okay I just tried through the feeds and get an error Aug 28 04:27:58 you will need to precisely and in detail tell us what you did and what error you got Aug 28 04:28:10 I installed the Package manager service first then the preware app, is this correct? After installing those do I need to do anything else? Aug 28 04:28:14 also, do you have Linux Access ? Aug 28 04:28:28 I do not have linux access Aug 28 04:28:35 what happens when you start Preware? Aug 28 04:28:57 Updates and loads perfect, and installs apps. Just won't let me install services or patches. Aug 28 04:30:06 ok, we're still waiting for those precise and detailed descriptions of what happens ... ;-) Aug 28 04:30:27 It's a simple box at the bottom of the screen. Says error installing and that's it. Aug 28 04:31:25 Hello, what version of preware do you have Aug 28 04:31:36 can you tell me if preware says "patch utility" is installed Aug 28 04:32:22 I have version 7.6, and it does not say it's installed Aug 28 04:32:26 and if so, which version of preware patch utility Aug 28 04:32:45 I'm trying to install on the Pre through the Preware app. Not through quick install Aug 28 04:32:48 Hello: is Package Manager Service installed? Aug 28 04:32:50 Yes Aug 28 04:32:54 which version? Aug 28 04:33:14 7.4 Aug 28 04:33:21 0.7.4, right? Aug 28 04:33:24 Yes sir Aug 28 04:33:37 ok, does your Pre have network connectivity? Aug 28 04:33:42 Wifi yes Aug 28 04:34:05 what version of preware patch utility Aug 28 04:34:52 Well the one i'm trying to install is 2.5.9.1 Aug 28 04:35:10 ok, what happens when you try and install it? Aug 28 04:35:37 A webos box at the bottom comes up and says (Error installing) Thats it Aug 28 04:35:58 Hello: at this point, you're going to need Linux Access to debug further. Aug 28 04:36:17 What about a clean install of the Preware app and package manager? Aug 28 04:37:01 Hello: nope Aug 28 04:37:29 Okay, what order should I have installed these? I did package manager first then preware. Is that correct? Aug 28 04:37:33 you've done everything correctly so far, and you're experienced a situation that we haven't encountered yet. Aug 28 04:37:48 so we need Linux access to debug. Aug 28 04:38:02 Okay here is the big issue, I have no clue about linux at all Aug 28 04:38:16 otherwise you wait until someone else has the same problem and we fix it for them using Linux access to debug. Aug 28 04:38:23 screen shot me the error Aug 28 04:38:25 us Aug 28 04:38:38 We can get around this Aug 28 04:38:39 or wait until 0.7.7 which will provide some better diagnostic output Aug 28 04:38:57 Hello, what apps are installed? Uninstall preware patch utility Aug 28 04:39:07 I cannot, it won't even install Aug 28 04:39:13 So it's not within the Pre phone Aug 28 04:39:29 I have only package manager and preware Aug 28 04:39:33 egaudet: patch doesn't have a postinst. I'm suspecting a space problem. Aug 28 04:40:00 Ohh that could be it... Give me a second Aug 28 04:40:16 how many apps does preware list as installed Aug 28 04:40:46 36 Aug 28 04:41:33 remove the biggest ones :-) Aug 28 04:41:36 and you attempt to install "preware patch utility" and it says error Aug 28 04:41:54 Yes sir Aug 28 04:43:00 we can always novaterm in and debug can't we Aug 28 04:43:05 Should I be able to access the preferences tab in the top of the preware application? Cause I cannot Aug 28 04:43:26 egaudet: yep Aug 28 04:43:32 I cannot do that Aug 28 04:43:35 Hello: not implemented yet Aug 28 04:43:43 Oh okay Aug 28 04:43:54 I'm gonna try something, give me a second Aug 28 04:44:04 Does it matter if it's in dev mode or not? Aug 28 04:45:42 it shouldn't Aug 28 04:45:42 i believe it has to be in dev mode Aug 28 04:45:46 really? Aug 28 04:45:54 i thought the luna stuff wouldn't work unless it was Aug 28 04:46:13 HattCzech: dunno, I don't have a Pre ;-) Aug 28 04:46:22 ahhhh... hahahha Aug 28 04:46:38 i think it does have to be in dev mode to use the webos quick install Aug 28 04:47:39 it does Aug 28 04:47:43 for quick install Aug 28 04:47:52 not for preware though? Aug 28 04:48:24 Yes for quick install it does Aug 28 04:48:40 not for preware Aug 28 04:48:43 that's for the usb access Aug 28 04:48:44 cause its already on the phone Aug 28 04:50:09 I'm gonna turn off dev mode, and restart it. See if maybe that will help Aug 28 04:50:23 no need Aug 28 04:50:24 Hello Aug 28 04:50:28 Like I said i can install apps fine, but patches and services no Aug 28 04:50:50 One thing I have learned about the Pre is that it's picky about certain things Aug 28 04:50:57 "preware patch utility" is not special, if you can't install that there is something wrong elsewhere (e.g. space) Aug 28 04:51:06 Like? Aug 28 04:51:22 I mean I have no deleted about 5 apps Aug 28 04:51:27 urg, i can't get this stupid dashboard tap to work Aug 28 04:51:40 Hello can you post screenshots Aug 28 04:51:57 I would like to know the message you get when you are installing what via a screenshot Aug 28 04:51:58 How when it's on my Pre phone? Aug 28 04:52:17 orange+sym+p Aug 28 04:52:17 shift+symbol+P Aug 28 04:52:21 err orange Aug 28 04:52:22 ty Aug 28 04:52:29 Okay give me a sec Aug 28 04:52:35 puts a screenshot in /media/internal which you can access from USB mode Aug 28 04:53:12 or you can upload the picture to photobucket Aug 28 04:53:36 or if you can do it from your pre... yea do it Aug 28 04:54:44 http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0703/gamerforlife/preware_2009-27-08_215329.jpg Aug 28 04:56:02 wow, i just found out you can change the order of dashboard items... nice Aug 28 04:56:38 Hello screenshot of package manager service and preware? Aug 28 04:56:39 now if only this TAP would work!!! :/ Aug 28 04:56:52 everybody loves RAYMOND Aug 28 04:57:15 gaudet what screenshots? Aug 28 04:57:49 You said preware is v 0.7.6 and package manger service is v 0.7.4 right? Aug 28 04:58:03 Yes I have the two ipk files on my computer Aug 28 04:58:12 Came from preware.org Aug 28 04:58:25 ? Aug 28 04:58:36 you should never need to download the ipkgs Aug 28 04:58:40 have you reboot? Aug 28 04:58:43 use the feeds in webos quick install Aug 28 04:58:51 Hello: and its right after you click the install button? Aug 28 04:58:59 Yes Aug 28 04:59:06 * oil gets that when he tries to install the termplugin Aug 28 04:59:25 maybe it's the remount? Aug 28 04:59:40 Reboot my pre or computer? Aug 28 04:59:51 pre Aug 28 05:00:13 where are you guys doing the remount? Aug 28 05:00:20 Okay give me a minute, i'm gonna delete the app. Then install it using feeds on quick install Aug 28 05:00:36 egaudet: in the service Aug 28 05:00:54 egaudet: and patch doesn't have a postinst, so doesn't need a remount Aug 28 05:01:22 oh yea /var isn't locked down Aug 28 05:01:30 * oil has tried hella shit Aug 28 05:01:45 where is the patch ipkg repo Aug 28 05:03:26 okay so the preware app and package manager is not in the feeds Aug 28 05:03:38 Hello: they sure are Aug 28 05:04:04 click the dropdown Aug 28 05:04:10 nm found them Aug 28 05:05:08 Okay so now they are installed Aug 28 05:05:27 can quick install install the preware patc utility Aug 28 05:05:34 egaudet: yes Aug 28 05:05:41 that damn dropdown Aug 28 05:05:43 well I know it "can" i mean for hello Aug 28 05:05:44 gettin in everyones way Aug 28 05:05:44 I'm trying that now as well Aug 28 05:06:06 so should it start listing patches ones I install the utility or do I need to reboot? Aug 28 05:06:19 it will not list patches Aug 28 05:06:51 that is not what patch utility does, it simply installs gnu patch to /var/usr/bin/patch Aug 28 05:06:57 Okay, so tried installing patch utility through quick install and got an error. I'm posting a screen in a sec Aug 28 05:07:07 ok Aug 28 05:07:59 was "available patches" available in a previous preware version or do you need to do something in order to click and use those patches? Aug 28 05:08:11 http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0703/gamerforlife/Untitled-1.jpg Aug 28 05:08:13 i thought i could use them before Aug 28 05:08:35 EXACT SAME SHIT I GET Aug 28 05:08:38 except with the termplugin Aug 28 05:08:53 that's it, we need some novaterm Aug 28 05:09:02 I'm out of ideas Aug 28 05:09:54 novaterm it Aug 28 05:10:14 Apps install fine, but patches and services do not Aug 28 05:10:29 I tried this on two Pre's and same outcome Aug 28 05:10:56 yep, need Linux access. Aug 28 05:11:02 webos 1.1.0? Aug 28 05:11:30 Yes Aug 28 05:13:25 can't help any further unless we have linux access Aug 28 05:13:29 Okay opened the preware and now its just spinning on updating Aug 28 05:14:11 * rwhitby changes the name of "Preware Patch Utility" to "GNU Patch Binary" Aug 28 05:14:23 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Accessing_Linux Aug 28 05:14:24 * egaudet likes Aug 28 05:14:51 Honestly I really know nothing about linux Aug 28 05:14:59 So I don't wanna get into something like that. Aug 28 05:15:07 I guess it just won't work for me Aug 28 05:15:17 We know stuff about linux, and we can only get more information that way Aug 28 05:15:45 It is simply a matter of downloading the SDK and running novaterm, then we can ask you to type some commands and tell us the output Aug 28 05:15:58 novaterm? Aug 28 05:16:01 But I must go to sleep Aug 28 05:16:19 To me it seems like a program error, I got about 5 other guys trying this and its not working Aug 28 05:16:19 Hello: I think best to wait for Preware 0.7.7 which can then display the internal errors Aug 28 05:16:46 I mean it installs apps fine Aug 28 05:16:50 Hello: it's simply a scenario that hasn't been encountered by anyone yet, and which we can't debug without knowing what it is. Aug 28 05:17:33 Okay I tried other services, and jasons filengr works Aug 28 05:18:09 Hello everyobody Aug 28 05:18:10 filemgr i mean Aug 28 05:18:24 see everyone on Sunday, good night Aug 28 05:18:27 Some interesting news from Bell corperate Aug 28 05:18:40 All bell palms are the same models as the pre Aug 28 05:18:56 and they are advising us that if someone has to restore they will be waiting about a week for a Bell image Aug 28 05:19:16 we have bellmo doctor Aug 28 05:19:21 TheBat: we've found the bell doctor already Aug 28 05:19:26 Oh sweet jesus where Aug 28 05:19:28 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions Aug 28 05:19:39 They're lying to me Aug 28 05:19:48 How long till Preware 0.7.7? Aug 28 05:19:51 God damn Palm reps Aug 28 05:19:57 Hello: tomorrow Aug 28 05:20:10 Oh good, will the app update itself? Aug 28 05:20:12 Is Preware compatible with the Bell Pre? Aug 28 05:20:20 TheBat: you tell us ;-) Aug 28 05:20:31 Hello: you can use quick install to update it Aug 28 05:20:33 I ordered mine today. It won't be here until monday Aug 28 05:20:39 At the earliest Aug 28 05:21:52 I need a VNC client Aug 28 05:21:59 Well I hope I can get this working soon. Night all Aug 28 05:23:31 thanks Hello. BTW, next time come in as splmonster Aug 28 05:24:14 How do I do that? Aug 28 05:24:20 "/nick BLARG" Aug 28 05:24:42 There we go Aug 28 05:25:46 Thx for the help, I should be back on tomorrow night Aug 28 05:25:50 ok Aug 28 05:25:52 I can try to help as best as I can Aug 28 05:26:17 Splmonster: please do come back so we can debug this issue with 0.7.7 Aug 28 05:26:23 rwhitby, were patches available on preware before? i thought i had applied a patch for led notification Aug 28 05:26:44 analog`: not on preware, on webos-internals Aug 28 05:27:00 and only through quilt Aug 28 05:27:06 or manually from the wiki Aug 28 05:27:23 fuzzy memory, just curious Aug 28 05:28:12 Heyo guys Aug 28 05:28:26 k4p741nkrunch: g'day Aug 28 05:28:52 Just discovered something awesome with my Pre, a total fix for my oreo effect, and it was slight to begin with Aug 28 05:29:03 Anyone have that problem? Aug 28 05:29:19 no but my friend's does Aug 28 05:29:22 what did you do? Aug 28 05:29:25 Very very simple Aug 28 05:29:36 sand? Aug 28 05:29:38 No glue, no hook shims, no tape Aug 28 05:29:45 treacle? Aug 28 05:30:29 The thing is the slider is verrry slightly off the rail vertically, I could fit a post it note in between there and my oreo effect was about a millimeter Aug 28 05:31:29 Just take a small flathead screwdriver, open the slider and take off the battery cover, place the screwdriver parallel with the track on the very bottom and GENTLY pry it upwards Aug 28 05:31:44 This thing is tighter than the airlock on a space shuttle now Aug 28 05:32:13 time for a nasa wallpaper!!! Aug 28 05:32:33 Make sure you hold the Pre tightly on the sides or else you could damage the plastic Aug 28 05:32:59 AND OMG my Pre now drains .5% battery an hour.. UBER FIX!! Aug 28 05:33:02 * oil <<3 space wallpapers on his pre Aug 28 05:33:43 What is the oreo effect Aug 28 05:35:08 Place your left hand thumb over the microphone on the bottom left, place your right index finger on the front-facing half of the slider just by the power button, gently twist clockwise (as not to CAUSE the oreo effect) and if it twists a millimeter or so, you my friend have the worlds most technological oreo Aug 28 05:35:48 uhhhh Aug 28 05:36:01 So basically the top twists from the bottom Aug 28 05:36:04 got it Aug 28 05:36:17 If it twists at all I'm living proof it can be tighter than an asian gymnasts.... Aug 28 05:36:19 unitard Aug 28 05:36:55 It's very annoying once you realize it's there, makes the Pre feel like a toy Aug 28 05:37:17 And there's no soft patch for that :P Aug 28 05:38:00 So it moves a millimeter Aug 28 05:38:11 It's not a big deal Aug 28 05:38:26 Yeah, they all don't do that, but I've found with a couple weeks use out of the box it loosens up Aug 28 05:38:33 All slide phones do it Aug 28 05:38:46 When I got mine out of the box it was tight like it is now Aug 28 05:39:07 It slides a LITTLE, but a millimeter is pushing it Aug 28 05:39:08 The LG Rumour, Rumour 2, Motorola Hint, Samsung Vice, HTC Touch pro, HTC Touch Dual Aug 28 05:39:29 hel i can't think of one slide phone that doesn't Aug 28 05:39:41 And I work with them all day Aug 28 05:39:53 Well the Pre beats all those, and in the same sense it should be tighter than all those Aug 28 05:40:02 And now mine is :D Aug 28 05:40:08 Slide tech isn't like that Aug 28 05:41:01 crap Aug 28 05:41:17 Well they do that to prevent damage if the phone take a blunt hit Aug 28 05:41:30 And lets face it Aug 28 05:41:33 they all do Aug 28 05:42:48 Well if you're happy with how it is now, then I promote peace so I'm happy for you. But in another attempt to promote peace I will gladly help anyone who wants assistance tightening up their little slice of heaven Aug 28 05:43:23 my pre doesnt need vaginoplasty yet Aug 28 05:43:27 So are you guys aware of the latest bug with Preware? Aug 28 05:43:38 And yet you risk damage by doign this modification Aug 28 05:43:43 k4p741n: where has it been reported? Aug 28 05:44:01 when my pre turns into a sit 'n spin i'll just take it to sprint Aug 28 05:44:02 I haven't seen it reported but it happened to me persistantly Aug 28 05:44:24 * rwhitby gets out his crystal ball ;-) Aug 28 05:44:27 you're like a female Aug 28 05:44:33 quit teasing and just tell us what it is Aug 28 05:44:49 Trying to install the latest onscreen keyboard patch with the latest version of preware results in an endless loop of "application error" after hitting OK to run the scrupt Aug 28 05:45:19 k4p741n: what do you consider the latest version of Preware to be? Aug 28 05:45:34 0.7.6 Aug 28 05:46:00 the fun one i was running into last night was that after i upgraded preware and the preware package service, preware was still showing up in the updates Aug 28 05:46:12 That happened to me too Aug 28 05:46:27 I had to install the package service, hard boot the phone, then install Preware Aug 28 05:46:39 ended up just upgrading it from the terminal Aug 28 05:46:47 And there was one update I had to use Quick Install to get Aug 28 05:46:56 I believe that was 0.7.4 Aug 28 05:47:05 "Gnu Patch Binary" - AHH, so much new stuff. Aug 28 05:47:20 I didn't know I had that one my phone to begin with Aug 28 05:47:28 Decimation_: that's a rename Aug 28 05:48:00 It's the patch app Aug 28 05:48:08 Just realized that Aug 28 05:48:10 people kept thinking the Preware Patch Utility was something more than the GNU patch binary, so I made it clear :-) Aug 28 05:48:41 btw rwhitby great job on the consistent updates, I'm extremely happy with Preware Aug 28 05:48:58 rwhitby: lol, what else would they think it to be? Aug 28 05:49:07 And everyone else who contributed of course Aug 28 05:49:28 k4p741n: if you can do a "dbus-util --capture 2>&1 | grep webosinternals" and capture the output while you experience that error it will help debug it Aug 28 05:49:54 k4p741n: oil deserves most of the credit Aug 28 05:49:59 I really wish they hadn't made WebOS Linux based Aug 28 05:50:21 heh - cause now your phone will never work cause you'll always be messing with it? Aug 28 05:50:49 Ahh I wish I hadn't pulled it with quilt already so I could help solve a bug Aug 28 05:51:03 I would have prefered a very heavily modified Windows CE or even custom OS Aug 28 05:51:43 I am insanely happy that it's linux based Aug 28 05:51:55 http://i28.tinypic.com/op8b2c.png Aug 28 05:51:56 ftw? Aug 28 05:52:15 Linux ALWAYS seemed to me to make the best of any hardware combination Aug 28 05:52:54 oil: nice :D Aug 28 05:52:59 OIL would you like my firstborn child as a donation? Aug 28 05:53:05 yes Aug 28 05:53:30 haha Aug 28 05:53:30 oil: does it scroll horizontally? Aug 28 05:53:33 yes Aug 28 05:53:34 Alright, but give me a couple days to figure out a consistent oxygen delivery system that won't be detected as a bomb by UPS Aug 28 05:54:03 That is pure sexy Aug 28 05:54:22 rwhitby: each 'stage' gets its own header Aug 28 05:54:22 oil: so did that help solve the problem you are having with termplugin? Aug 28 05:54:37 and stdout is greenish and stderr is reddish Aug 28 05:55:05 does it scroll up teletypewriter style as it's installing ? ;-0 Aug 28 05:55:12 no Aug 28 05:55:22 in fact, if you open it while its installing, it may totally explode Aug 28 05:55:25 my inernet SUCKSS. Aug 28 05:55:28 btw i hate the typewriter effect Aug 28 05:55:34 yeah, aunt minnie would be confused by that Aug 28 05:55:38 its good for after-action problems Aug 28 05:56:16 You can't halt the install process at stages to report? Aug 28 05:56:51 Anyone want to do some testing? Aug 28 05:56:56 Ikyo what of Aug 28 05:58:50 so Decimation want to give it a shot? Aug 28 05:59:35 TheBat: that's surprising that palm said it would take so long to have a webos doctor Aug 28 05:59:52 Yep Aug 28 06:00:59 what testing? Aug 28 06:01:03 Ikyo. Aug 28 06:01:27 TheBat: rainman was able to point me at the model # so that proved the hardware should be the same Aug 28 06:01:35 it is a patch that gives each of your contacts an independent tone for SMS Aug 28 06:01:43 already installed it Ikyo Aug 28 06:01:48 about 2 minutes ago Aug 28 06:01:58 TheBat: and then it was just a matter of using the bell customization name rather than the sprint one to get the proper doctor image. Aug 28 06:02:01 make sure you have the one I just patched....I made a typo Aug 28 06:02:05 Oooh Aug 28 06:02:18 sweeeeet Aug 28 06:02:18 yeah, i JUST did it so i should be fine? Aug 28 06:02:44 do a: /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.messaging/app/controllers/notification-assistant.js | grep 'smsid' Aug 28 06:02:54 if it doesn't show anything, you are golden Aug 28 06:03:38 should be: cat /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.messaging/app/controllers/notification-assistant.js | grep 'smsid' Aug 28 06:04:03 if you only see smsid, and not 'smsid' you have the right version Aug 28 06:04:24 im good :D Aug 28 06:04:36 rwhitby: installed 0.7.7 on my pre Aug 28 06:04:41 and tried to install term plugin Aug 28 06:04:52 log says: Failed Aug 28 06:05:02 (im abbreviating) Aug 28 06:05:03 It checks like this: contacts --> global sms tone --> alert tone Aug 28 06:05:13 error return value 4 Aug 28 06:05:23 TheBat: it looks like you guys in canada lack the nascar or nfl app (that's a feature) but also lack amazon Aug 28 06:05:26 cannot find package org.webosinternals.termplugin Aug 28 06:05:32 Yea Aug 28 06:05:34 No Amazon Aug 28 06:05:35 check the spelling or perhaps run ipkg update Aug 28 06:05:53 Is there a way to install the US versions on a Canadian Pre? Aug 28 06:06:23 I want to circumvent the pandora region lock too Aug 28 06:07:10 Destinal: they lack those because they are Sprint proprietary apps Aug 28 06:07:24 We get NFL apps when hockey season starts Aug 28 06:07:35 Off season is HBO Aug 28 06:08:17 Ikyo: yes but unfortunately it doesn't look like bellmo provided any apps of their own either Aug 28 06:08:17 I want an NPPL app Aug 28 06:08:40 They claim they spent millions but we got nothing Aug 28 06:08:51 TheBat: well, you have a pre, that's good. :) Aug 28 06:08:51 What did the spend millions on? Hookers and blow? Aug 28 06:09:02 oil: I wonder if your /var/etc/ipkg/webos-internals.conf file is unconfigured Aug 28 06:09:26 Posters and a tshirt i have to wear every weekend Aug 28 06:09:50 i did a fresh install of ipkg service Aug 28 06:09:51 Although this tshirt is really nice Aug 28 06:09:58 <_< I took an extra one Aug 28 06:10:01 uninstalled from quick install Aug 28 06:10:03 oil: using quick install? Aug 28 06:10:04 and reinstalled from there Aug 28 06:10:05 yeahg Aug 28 06:10:36 and if i try to install it with quickinstall Aug 28 06:10:45 termplugin that is Aug 28 06:10:46 it also fails Aug 28 06:10:51 but with less info xD Aug 28 06:10:58 im going to assume the same problem Aug 28 06:11:04 TheBat: be happy you got a tshirt. I work for Sprint and we got told look at the new phone too bad you can't get one right now. Aug 28 06:11:52 another note: after a fresh install of ipkgservice and preware Aug 28 06:11:56 Shit sux bro Aug 28 06:12:00 "loading" was taking a while Aug 28 06:12:00 there were also a lot less pre's in the wild during the sprint launch Aug 28 06:12:02 so i went to restart it Aug 28 06:12:03 I ordered my pre today for $289 Aug 28 06:12:09 and it didnt load any packages on the next start Aug 28 06:12:13 more than 50% off the $600 Aug 28 06:12:13 though they should have locked down at least one per store for employees Aug 28 06:12:17 so i reinstalled ipkgservice Aug 28 06:12:17 Without a contract?? Aug 28 06:12:19 and waited for its load Aug 28 06:12:23 and got all the packages Aug 28 06:12:26 I ended up getting mine for $199 Aug 28 06:12:31 Same here Aug 28 06:12:39 i paid $515 for my pre cause i couldnt wait till december Aug 28 06:12:42 On a contract :p Aug 28 06:12:55 I got mine for $289 contract free Aug 28 06:13:03 can you check the services and plugins category and tell me how many apps are in there? Aug 28 06:13:19 I can't bitch....$199, no contract and unlimited everything for free :) Aug 28 06:13:21 7 Aug 28 06:14:18 oil: my suspicion is that your /var/etc/ipkg dir is borked, but I can't think how to confirm that without linux access Aug 28 06:14:25 ROFL Aug 28 06:14:26 i'm stuffed Aug 28 06:14:29 Destinal and I are trying to find a way to get Amazon working on a canadian pre Aug 28 06:14:41 I sent the emulator 150 SMS messages working on this Aug 28 06:14:43 Hello Pre comrades Aug 28 06:14:43 just wolfed down 3 tilapia fillets and a pack of butter herb potatos Aug 28 06:14:57 TheBat: well how to do it is easy, I'm not sure if it's a good idea though Aug 28 06:15:06 any thought on how to fix it? Aug 28 06:15:14 It sure is a good idea Aug 28 06:15:25 What are they going to do, sue me for paying for music Aug 28 06:15:25 are you disabling the region check? Aug 28 06:15:26 (without linux access) Aug 28 06:15:41 i still need to put a torrent tracker in space Aug 28 06:15:46 as obviously others are having hte problem Aug 28 06:15:53 oil: can you look at the output of get_configs method? Aug 28 06:16:13 eh? Aug 28 06:16:14 Unless you know a way to deactivate region checking Aug 28 06:16:20 is that in the service? Aug 28 06:16:34 Ikyo: how do you send SMS messages in the emulator? Aug 28 06:17:49 oil: list_configs, no params Aug 28 06:17:58 * oil adds it to service Aug 28 06:18:03 let me check it works Aug 28 06:18:04 er, to the js that is Aug 28 06:18:51 yeah, works. maybe we need to be able to display the contents of each file too Aug 28 06:19:15 I'll add that to the service Aug 28 06:19:53 we are planning config management, right? Aug 28 06:23:22 rwhitby Aug 28 06:23:29 it doesn't appear to have preware.conf Aug 28 06:23:30 yep Aug 28 06:23:39 Just took a buttload of pics for the oreo fix, going up on PreCentral forums if anyone is interested. This one is definitive and simple Aug 28 06:23:40 should have webos-internals.conf Aug 28 06:23:53 but it has canuck-software, webos-internals, pimpmypre, and precentral Aug 28 06:24:12 but the emulator (where termplugin install works) Aug 28 06:24:17 has preware.conf Aug 28 06:25:20 so Aug 28 06:25:21 thoughts? Aug 28 06:26:40 oil: ipkgservice 0.7.5 list_configs returns contents Aug 28 06:27:15 TheBat, could you utilize the Amazon over EVDO patch and a proxy to get the service working, then just copy the app? Aug 28 06:27:54 * oil waits for it to show up so he can test in the emulator then send it to his pre Aug 28 06:28:05 Well I think I've found a way to get the IPK Aug 28 06:28:11 With soeone special's help Aug 28 06:29:35 oil: there now Aug 28 06:29:36 you could use Baseline to get pretty much an image of a US pre, just the application directories anyways, then restore it on your phone Aug 28 06:29:52 Well from the Sprint image we have Aug 28 06:30:00 com.palm.app.amazonstore_1.0-59.2.1_armv7.ipk AND amazonservice_1.0-5_armv7.ipk Aug 28 06:30:27 Well that works too :P But if you do have problems there I'm sure baseline would work for ya Aug 28 06:31:05 What is baseline Aug 28 06:31:20 Sorry. I come from the iPhone jailbreak community. new stuff lol Aug 28 06:31:33 Well I guess not alot of Pre users know about it Aug 28 06:32:03 k4p741n: does Baseline work on the Pre? Aug 28 06:32:14 What is baseline Aug 28 06:32:35 It's a script designed to take an 'image' basically a glorified copy of specific folders and tar it up, then you can baseline restore from that tar and essentially have a save state for your phone Aug 28 06:32:57 I had to edit the script to work, mainly it was trying to tar directories that didn't exist and kept quitting Aug 28 06:33:13 hmm Aug 28 06:33:26 like /usr/X11R6/bin/xauth Aug 28 06:34:38 I can now doctor my phone then do a baseline image and copy over my media and my phone appears the same Aug 28 06:35:12 k4p741n: but for most people their phone appears the same after doctoring anyway Aug 28 06:35:17 Wow. The bell image has nothing Aug 28 06:35:31 destinal, including apps? Aug 28 06:35:40 k4p741n: well including store apps Aug 28 06:35:46 not homebrew of course Aug 28 06:36:00 This gets homebrew apps, and mods, and anything you want Aug 28 06:36:05 cool Aug 28 06:36:49 I mean it's just a backup of a particular folder that gets tarred and then untarred in the restore, but it's nice to have quick access without having to manually tar the folders Aug 28 06:37:15 Hmm..so essentially i can make modifications to the OS and save it, then if I need to I can restore to it if I bust my image up Aug 28 06:38:10 I used it to test CPU scaling values. Ended up having to doctor my phone a couple times but I took a baseline backup just before, then restored it and it's as though the doctor never visited :P Aug 28 06:38:26 The CPU overclocking is something that looked interesting Aug 28 06:38:33 It's great Aug 28 06:38:38 I want to see what effect it has by putting it at it's full 600MHz Aug 28 06:38:48 once again, it's great Aug 28 06:39:10 You can overclock it to 600 and save battery life with scaling Aug 28 06:39:19 et Aug 28 06:39:24 SOunds like a good time Aug 28 06:39:59 Any reccommended values? Aug 28 06:40:06 just play around with it before you put a Seidio case on it :) Aug 28 06:40:20 set it to default to 125 MHz whenever it sleeps and hover around 250 when just one card is open, then ramp up to 500 when a couple are open, then full speed when you're humming on the thing Aug 28 06:40:41 Yeah good values coming up Aug 28 06:40:56 Maybe update the wiki with what you find out Aug 28 06:41:06 I thought about trying it on my g/f's phone...but she has crystal case on it that is a bitch to get off Aug 28 06:41:21 This is my personal fav Aug 28 06:41:23 exec /opt/sbin/cpuspeed -i 2 -M 600000 -r -p 55 75 Aug 28 06:41:27 k Aug 28 06:41:55 Worked the best and almost doubled my battery life. No video artifacts and just no problems at all Aug 28 06:42:10 I'm using this right now to test Aug 28 06:42:11 exec /opt/sbin/cpuspeed -i 1 -M 600000 -r -p 15 75 Aug 28 06:42:19 k4p741n: how are you scaling the CPU? is this with the patch? Aug 28 06:42:35 Seems overall more snappy, but I get video artifacts in youtube Aug 28 06:42:39 with an application called cpuspeed Aug 28 06:42:55 an app, eh? Aug 28 06:43:09 using userspace scaling in a script called cpuspeed Aug 28 06:43:31 i think i may play with that soon... i need better battery life :) Aug 28 06:44:14 I ordered a new battery for mine and like it so far. I get about 6 to 7 hours out of it sending a ton of texts, about an hour talking and constant EAS syncing Aug 28 06:44:16 Well I can't decide which extended battery to get. The one that's still normal sized or the one that adds 4 cm Aug 28 06:44:30 I can absolutely say battery life is better, I used to say the battery whittled down faster than the salt lick in Rosie O' Donnells bedroom XD Aug 28 06:44:53 K4p, do you have it installed yet :) Aug 28 06:44:53 TheBat: there's no easy way to use a touchstone with the larger door Aug 28 06:44:58 TheBat don't get the extended unless you want one fuuuuugly pre Aug 28 06:45:04 I know there isn't Aug 28 06:45:17 And yeah Ikyo, I'm just having a hard time testing the multiple texts, I have no friends Aug 28 06:45:19 that's why i'm leaning towards the 30% larger one instead of the even bigger one Aug 28 06:45:27 The touchstone is nice Aug 28 06:45:36 anyone know how to do emulator screenshots? Aug 28 06:46:21 Command-Shift-4 on a mac ;-) Aug 28 06:46:38 where does it save them? Aug 28 06:46:49 rwhitby: just the native screen grab function? Aug 28 06:46:52 The emulator won't work on 64bit vista... Aug 28 06:46:58 printscreen on windows, etc Aug 28 06:47:00 destinal: yeah :-) Aug 28 06:47:37 hehehe Aug 28 06:47:39 It says i need virtualbox 2.2.0 and I did install it... Aug 28 06:47:51 i'd prefer not to have to edit... just have the image ready Aug 28 06:47:51 TheBat: did you install Sun Java 6? Aug 28 06:48:44 how do you unapply a patch if you applied it with patch -p0 -i Aug 28 06:49:02 what's -i for? Aug 28 06:49:10 it is what the guide said to do Aug 28 06:49:24 oh, input file. Aug 28 06:49:31 just add -R to reverse the patch. Aug 28 06:49:36 in place of -i? Aug 28 06:49:38 have you read the patch man page? Aug 28 06:49:38 is there a reason not to use quilt? I think it's an excellent package manager Aug 28 06:49:48 patch manager * Aug 28 06:50:02 k4p741n: we do use quilt Aug 28 06:50:22 this patch was not in the quilt patch folder Aug 28 06:50:32 you can still quilt import it Aug 28 06:50:50 Just makes it easier to pop and push Aug 28 06:50:54 yes that is what i realized after Aug 28 06:50:59 so i could push and pop Aug 28 06:51:17 Why no, no I didn't Aug 28 06:51:20 I'll install it now Aug 28 06:51:27 I was reading somewhere someone was saying quilt is obsolete, that's why I was questioning Aug 28 06:52:00 k4p741n: nope, the keyboard patch has moved from the quilt process to an ipkg, that's all. Aug 28 06:52:02 *yawn* -- late.. good night all Aug 28 06:52:13 And I've installed it and none of them start Aug 28 06:52:18 No virtualbox errors Aug 28 06:52:29 Oh wait. The error is back Aug 28 06:52:41 TheBat: are you running palm-emulator from command line? Aug 28 06:52:51 Hmm, I still have it in my quilt, I should probably delete that Aug 28 06:53:32 C:\Program Files (x86)\Palm\SDK\bin>palm-emulator.bat Aug 28 06:53:32 'java' is not recognized as an internal or external command, Aug 28 06:53:32 operable program or batch file. Aug 28 06:53:52 TheBat: if you just installed sun java6 jre or jdk, try rebooting Aug 28 06:54:06 or at least closing and reopening command line Aug 28 06:54:43 Wrong file downloaded for java Aug 28 06:54:48 i just downloaded the runtime Aug 28 06:54:56 jre (runtime) is fine Aug 28 06:55:12 it's just not in your path yet Aug 28 06:55:23 have to close command prompt and reopen Aug 28 06:55:26 maybe reboot Aug 28 06:56:03 C:\Program Files (x86)\Palm\SDK\bin>palm-emulator.bat Aug 28 06:56:03 palm-emulator: Palm Emulator requires that VirtualBox 2.2.0 or greater is installed Aug 28 06:56:09 That's what I get now Aug 28 06:56:11 arrg Aug 28 06:56:18 install vbox 3 Aug 28 06:56:38 I did. I installed it. I didn't install the network drivers though Aug 28 06:57:30 no idea, lots of people have gotten this working on vista 64 so I'm not sure what's wrong there Aug 28 06:58:49 Did you run the virtualbox install as administrator? Aug 28 06:59:26 If you don't see a network adapter in network connections for virtualbox then it's not installed right Aug 28 07:00:00 I opted out of installing those Aug 28 07:00:05 Since they seem to just make a mess Aug 28 07:00:16 I installed everything else Aug 28 07:00:40 K4p: I made a thread about the patches. So post on it after you try it for a bit. Aug 28 07:00:49 TheBat: I think it's needed for the palm stuff to work right Aug 28 07:01:04 k Aug 28 07:01:07 I'll install it all Aug 28 07:01:29 Ikyo no prob Aug 28 07:07:04 preware 0.7.7 is out Aug 28 07:07:25 Yay! Patch selection is available =] Aug 28 07:09:14 we probably should have made that 0.8.0 :-) Aug 28 07:09:34 8.0 when it can install termplugin on my virgin pre xD Aug 28 07:09:53 For some reason my phone is stuck in vibrate and won't come out, the slider is over and everything Aug 28 07:09:54 and i like 7s Aug 28 07:09:57 oil: can we make the IPKG Configs screen scrollable? Aug 28 07:09:59 xD Aug 28 07:10:00 anyone use txt manager? Aug 28 07:10:04 is it too long? Aug 28 07:10:17 to make it scrollable, ill have to make a custom alert (like i did for the log) Aug 28 07:10:19 Used to Hatt, but Ikyos script removes the need Aug 28 07:10:24 So got the new update Aug 28 07:10:37 damn you were right on that shit Aug 28 07:10:37 oil: no, just so the lines don't wrap, and have a
after the filename Aug 28 07:10:41 I can read off my ipkg log, and tell you why it wont install the patch Aug 28 07:10:44 a br? Aug 28 07:10:51 it should be using the html Aug 28 07:10:54 (it does on my pre) Aug 28 07:10:59 (and in my emulator) Aug 28 07:11:06 you got 1.1 in your emulator? Aug 28 07:11:16 no, I mean add another break between the filename and the first src/gz Aug 28 07:11:26 oh Aug 28 07:11:31 k4p741n: depends on how you use it, but yeah, Ikyos script does the sound part Aug 28 07:11:36 ah well, it was only temorary Aug 28 07:11:44 temporary* Aug 28 07:11:52 oil: and then don't wrap but scroll. I think it's a great permanent feature :-) Aug 28 07:12:06 So rwhitby can I show you the error log I got on why I can't install the GNU patch Aug 28 07:12:07 i would have removed it if i didn't think it might be useful for debugging Aug 28 07:12:14 Splmonster: please do Aug 28 07:12:17 * oil bets its the same as his Aug 28 07:12:31 saying it can't be found Aug 28 07:12:35 error code 4 Aug 28 07:12:39 Could you make the pre reboot on program exit not after each patch? Aug 28 07:12:50 Oh nv Aug 28 07:12:52 k4p741n: that's on the roadmap Aug 28 07:12:59 It's just a lunasysmgr refresh Aug 28 07:13:00 Splmonster: after your install fails, hit log from the appmenu Aug 28 07:13:36 http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0703/gamerforlife/preware_2009-28-08_001227.jpg Aug 28 07:13:46 exactly Aug 28 07:13:55 * oil has the same problem with termplugin Aug 28 07:13:56 oil: now that we have applications and patches, we'll need to change "Installed Applications" to "Installed Packages" :-) Aug 28 07:14:02 right Aug 28 07:14:05 the gnu patch binary update worked for me Aug 28 07:14:15 and then "List of Everything" to "List of All Packages" ? Aug 28 07:14:17 I'm wondering what is causing this Aug 28 07:14:21 list of everything is cool Aug 28 07:14:30 I seem to install other patches and services fine except that one Aug 28 07:14:36 and ill add an "all" to the category list Aug 28 07:14:39 for applications Aug 28 07:14:48 Maybe you could add a separate section for installed patches Aug 28 07:14:52 Splmonster: its the exact same for me, just termplugin doesnt work Aug 28 07:14:57 Would hate to see patches mixed with apps Aug 28 07:15:04 So what is causing it? Aug 28 07:15:11 thats rwhitbys department Aug 28 07:15:12 haha Aug 28 07:15:45 Splmonster: can you scroll right and screenshot so I can see the rest of the text? Aug 28 07:15:56 Sure can buddy Aug 28 07:15:58 its the full package name Aug 28 07:16:08 and wants you to run ipkg update Aug 28 07:17:04 Splmonster: please screenshot your IPKG Configs screen as well Aug 28 07:17:24 * rwhitby reads ipkg source code to see what error 4 is Aug 28 07:17:33 http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0703/gamerforlife/preware_2009-28-08_001645.jpg Aug 28 07:17:55 IPKG configs screen? Aug 28 07:18:09 main scene Aug 28 07:18:10 app menu Aug 28 07:18:28 Like homepage on preware or my list of apps? Aug 28 07:18:40 the main scene of preware Aug 28 07:18:44 k Aug 28 07:18:45 where you get to the lists of apps Aug 28 07:19:16 * rwhitby hmms Aug 28 07:19:27 4 = ? Aug 28 07:19:31 I think this might be an arch.conf problem Aug 28 07:19:50 http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0703/gamerforlife/preware_2009-28-08_001908.jpg Aug 28 07:19:52 that? Aug 28 07:19:56 it only happens on the Pre, right? Aug 28 07:20:00 emulator works fine? Aug 28 07:20:04 termplugin works on my emu Aug 28 07:20:09 but not on the pre Aug 28 07:20:17 Splmonster Aug 28 07:20:19 from that screen Aug 28 07:20:22 click the app menu Aug 28 07:20:23 termplugin and patch are both arch-specific packages Aug 28 07:20:32 and list configs... Aug 28 07:20:36 and in fact are the *only* arch specific packages Aug 28 07:21:07 avail apps or installed? Aug 28 07:21:11 noo Aug 28 07:21:13 app menu Aug 28 07:21:17 the thing in the top left Aug 28 07:21:19 that says preware Aug 28 07:21:22 can someone tell me whether /etc/ipkg/arch.conf exists on the Pre? Aug 28 07:21:22 ina black bubble type thing Aug 28 07:21:24 the app menu Aug 28 07:21:24 got it Aug 28 07:21:37 * oil opens up internalz for rwhitby Aug 28 07:22:10 yes it does Aug 28 07:22:11 and tell me whether you have /var/etc/ipkg/arch.conf too (I expect not) Aug 28 07:22:14 http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0703/gamerforlife/preware_2009-28-08_002140.jpg Aug 28 07:22:33 oil: can you see what's inside /etc/ipkg/arch.conf ? Aug 28 07:22:38 not with internalz Aug 28 07:22:57 wait Aug 28 07:22:58 maybe i can Aug 28 07:22:59 xD Aug 28 07:22:59 mine has Aug 28 07:23:18 * oil copied it with internalz Aug 28 07:24:01 if it has armv7 in it, we're golden Aug 28 07:24:08 http://webos.pastebin.com/d31deeb19 Aug 28 07:24:20 arch armv7 21 Aug 28 07:25:02 any1 here Aug 28 07:25:09 no Aug 28 07:25:24 ok, fix in 5 Aug 28 07:25:33 really? Aug 28 07:25:33 haha Aug 28 07:25:46 So this will be fixed? Aug 28 07:25:53 i still dont think we should update preware to 0.8.0 Aug 28 07:25:59 * oil <<3 0.7.7 Aug 28 07:26:06 all those wonderful sevens Aug 28 07:26:10 7.7.7 Aug 28 07:26:15 im taking it that the keyboard is still havin errors? Aug 28 07:26:15 soon Aug 28 07:26:15 Lucky!! Aug 28 07:26:19 soon we will get to 7.7.7 Aug 28 07:26:24 and it will be glorious Aug 28 07:26:28 haha Aug 28 07:26:30 building Aug 28 07:26:44 Look for Package Manager Service 0.7.7 soon Aug 28 07:26:49 i got the keyboard working by removing & reinstalling the patch utility Aug 28 07:26:54 * oil uses quickinstall to install it so preware doesnt et in teh way Aug 28 07:27:09 ohh crap Aug 28 07:27:17 oil: should update fine, ipkgservice is not arch specific Aug 28 07:27:20 GO Aug 28 07:27:20 can you reset the sudoers password Aug 28 07:27:28 haha Aug 28 07:27:34 on the pre that is Aug 28 07:27:53 Splmonster: fix is in ipkgservice 0.7.7 Aug 28 07:28:00 I did one that wasn't long enough so of course it won't log in hahahahahah Aug 28 07:28:00 so what was it? Aug 28 07:28:22 gotcha Aug 28 07:28:27 * oil waits for everything to restart, damn java restart thing Aug 28 07:28:29 oil: missing arch.conf, and armv7 is not compiled into ipkg on the Pre, so it couldn't match armv7 binary packages Aug 28 07:28:31 I'm having trouble with the Filemgr service. It says it's not running even after uninstalling and reinstalling with Preware. Oil, for the new update did you have to quickinstall it? Aug 28 07:28:51 trying install now Aug 28 07:28:52 wha? Aug 28 07:28:52 oil: i686 is compiled into ipkg on the emulator, so I never noticed it missing Aug 28 07:28:53 if someone has an answer just /msg me please :) Aug 28 07:29:00 i installed preware 0.7.7 from code Aug 28 07:29:03 while testing Aug 28 07:29:17 Genius it worked Aug 28 07:29:23 Thank you rwhitby Aug 28 07:29:25 I meant the filemgr service for internalz Aug 28 07:29:29 oh Aug 28 07:29:31 yeah Aug 28 07:29:35 i installed those through quickinstall Aug 28 07:29:38 Splmonster: thanks to you and oil for getting the debug information to me Aug 28 07:29:38 at the time it wasnt in preware Aug 28 07:29:58 don't tell rwhitby he is a Genius, he gets quite cocky ;) Aug 28 07:30:01 Not a problem man, i'm here for this community and to keep it going strong Aug 28 07:30:07 OHHHHH Aug 28 07:30:09 termplugin FAIL Aug 28 07:30:12 He makes us bow down to him in his golry Aug 28 07:30:15 glory Aug 28 07:30:21 however Aug 28 07:30:23 different error Aug 28 07:30:32 lay it on me Aug 28 07:30:37 oh Aug 28 07:30:37 time to make more keyboard themes Aug 28 07:30:41 Really? The GNU patch and keyboard package worked for me flawless this time Aug 28 07:30:44 maybe its because internet wasnt up yet Aug 28 07:30:49 looks like a download fail Aug 28 07:30:53 It's rebooting my pre now Aug 28 07:30:55 you're off the hook for now Aug 28 07:30:57 * oil trys again Aug 28 07:31:01 haha Aug 28 07:31:11 oh postinst confirm Aug 28 07:31:12 oh man! luna restart! Aug 28 07:31:14 looks promising Aug 28 07:31:22 hopefully that means the keyboard installed properly Aug 28 07:31:23 perhaps for keyboard themes we could use a background layer than put the keys on top, like iphone, android style Aug 28 07:31:53 Does the keyboard work in the messaging oil? Aug 28 07:31:56 i'm not familiar with iphone or android, could you explain? Aug 28 07:31:59 huzzah it works! Aug 28 07:32:09 sweet Aug 28 07:32:12 keyboard in the messaging? Aug 28 07:32:12 ~emulate rwhitby Aug 28 07:32:13 Another Satisfied Customer! Aug 28 07:32:13 Yeah, well let's look at the hero 2's keyboard Aug 28 07:32:20 For text messaging Aug 28 07:32:39 http://www.breakitdownblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/htc-hero-soft-keyboard.png Aug 28 07:32:41 * oil doesnt have the osk Aug 28 07:32:57 so how do i use (or show) the osk? Aug 28 07:33:00 that's pretty Aug 28 07:33:03 rwhitby how do you get the keyboard to come up? the virtual one Aug 28 07:33:11 double tap the gesture area Aug 28 07:33:13 when in a text field Aug 28 07:33:17 Splmonster: double tab pageup on the emulator Aug 28 07:33:25 do you feel the keys would be to small on the screen if we could put the layer in the back and the keys on top? Aug 28 07:33:32 oil: so are we good for Dieter in the morning? Aug 28 07:33:40 The pre one looks great, but I thinking putting it on a background layer will give it that 'designed to be there' touch Aug 28 07:33:49 do i have to be in a specific app for the keyboard to pop up? Aug 28 07:33:51 looks like Aug 28 07:34:00 really though Aug 28 07:34:01 it cheats Aug 28 07:34:03 haha Aug 28 07:34:08 i'm double-tapping away on the gesture area Aug 28 07:34:09 And we could one-up those iphone folx by making the background layer semi-transparent Aug 28 07:34:11 One more question, how do I change the skin to black? Aug 28 07:34:22 the "if it says ipkgservice isnt running after a postinst, assume its installed" Aug 28 07:34:23 HattCzech: try the browser Aug 28 07:34:25 tap away from the center, toward the edges Aug 28 07:34:28 but its really the only way we can do it Aug 28 07:34:33 I don't think you'd have to make the keys smaller, just slightly taller Aug 28 07:34:34 browser worked... YAY! Aug 28 07:34:39 oil: that'll be fixed by the PostInstallFlags Aug 28 07:34:47 yeah Aug 28 07:34:56 Which shouldnt be a problem because if you're using the keyboard you shouldn't be focusing what's on the screen Aug 28 07:35:05 So how do you change the skin? Aug 28 07:35:05 regarding keyboard suggestions, egaudet_away is away for a couple of days, and no-one else here knows anything about it :-) Aug 28 07:35:12 oh okay Aug 28 07:35:21 hmm, i can imagine a transperant background, what if it was like the ice theme, but also a transperant background as well as different colored transparent keyes Aug 28 07:35:27 Right now the theming capabilities wouldn't allow a background later Aug 28 07:35:29 there are 3 themes/skins for the keyboard already Aug 28 07:35:30 there's a thread on PreCentral Aug 28 07:35:39 layer* Aug 28 07:35:40 okay Aug 28 07:35:41 there's a json file in /media/internal/virtual-keyboard Aug 28 07:35:44 yea, getting ahead of ourselves Aug 28 07:35:48 you just have to edit the one file and retype one line to change it Aug 28 07:36:00 Annnd I'll shut up Aug 28 07:36:27 pretty impressive :) Aug 28 07:37:00 and time to sleep Aug 28 07:37:29 pre rebooting now... i think the install is happening correctly Aug 28 07:38:02 But if you make the background layer semi-transparent. Maybe even take the image from the launcher background to use, then use some grey keys and split it up into 5 rows instead of 4, it would rock Aug 28 07:38:36 ok Aug 28 07:38:37 well Aug 28 07:38:42 im goin to sleep Aug 28 07:38:51 feels like i got something done anyways Aug 28 07:38:52 xD Aug 28 07:39:00 So with that json file I do what? Aug 28 07:39:06 later Aug 28 07:39:06 amazing night Aug 28 07:39:07 And I don't know if it's possible, as it just kind of stretches right now, but if you could switch it back to 4 rows when in landscape I think we'd have a winner Aug 28 07:39:13 open it up & it will have the three different settings to change Aug 28 07:39:38 ^^Not happening Aug 28 07:39:47 What happened when you opened it? Aug 28 07:39:52 Nothing at all Aug 28 07:40:11 I'll try and make the theme myself, but I've not made a keyboard theme so it could turn out less than perfect Aug 28 07:40:23 I'll start that tomorrow Aug 28 07:40:31 What OS are you using? You might have to actually say open with text editor. Linux knows to use text editor Aug 28 07:40:44 I started a theme for the keyboard, but gimp sucks to work with like that Aug 28 07:40:45 I'm going through my Pre Aug 28 07:40:59 Splmonster: need to do it from a computer Aug 28 07:41:10 So I go into the emulator? Aug 28 07:41:21 I would use a.viary Aug 28 07:41:44 Splmonster, are you trying to change the theme? Aug 28 07:41:45 Splmonster: connect your pre in USB mode & open the folder virtual-keyboard/kb_config.json Aug 28 07:41:51 a.viary.com <-- free browser based photoshop Aug 28 07:41:54 okay just a sec Aug 28 07:42:07 go to /media/internal/virtual-keyboard/kb_config.json Aug 28 07:42:17 oo, thanks , i'll give it a try Aug 28 07:42:22 they put watermarks on all the images but if you printscreen during editing and paste into paint you're golden Aug 28 07:42:33 How do you open the json file? Aug 28 07:42:46 right click, open with notepad in windows Aug 28 07:42:47 k4-741n, i'll look into it then =] Aug 28 07:42:52 k Aug 28 07:42:59 From the pre vi then the file Aug 28 07:43:16 I personally use nano Aug 28 07:43:22 do you like it? Aug 28 07:43:31 Muuuch better than vi Aug 28 07:43:37 Okay in the notepad Aug 28 07:43:37 i thought about installing a gui editor Aug 28 07:43:46 change the name? Aug 28 07:43:47 but i had just learned all those vi commands Aug 28 07:43:48 hehe Aug 28 07:44:07 i stick with nano cause it's easier =P Aug 28 07:44:16 Splmonster, yes change the line to whatever theme you want. your options are remix_classic, remix_glossy, and remix_ice Aug 28 07:44:18 i like ice Aug 28 07:44:19 Vi seems to open up in different states, insert mode sometimes, edit mode sometimes, and leaves me hitting keys and sometimes changing the file and there's no undo Aug 28 07:44:26 lol, for funsies i tried opening a file with nano on the pre... that went well Aug 28 07:44:38 from the terminal? Aug 28 07:44:41 yeah Aug 28 07:44:41 I've never tried Aug 28 07:44:50 If irssi works nano should Aug 28 07:44:52 lol, don't. You have to close terminal to get out of the file Aug 28 07:44:59 Nahh Aug 28 07:45:06 Sym +o Aug 28 07:45:08 Glossy is the black right? Aug 28 07:45:09 You can get 'control' working? Aug 28 07:45:14 then Sym + x Aug 28 07:45:18 classic is black and so is glossy Aug 28 07:45:21 Yeah SYM is control Aug 28 07:45:32 you can view a sample by going into the themes folder and looking at the images Aug 28 07:45:39 Wow, i feel stupid. I thought the only option would have been gesture + [[blank]] Aug 28 07:46:04 Gesture is for special functions, like arrow keys using the number pad Aug 28 07:46:47 I'm gonna nano a file now just to test Aug 28 07:46:48 Yeah, i was able to get that part working. Didn't even think to use sym Aug 28 07:48:32 yeah worked flawlessly for me Aug 28 07:48:49 Good to know Aug 28 07:48:50 And for your reference sym + i is tab Aug 28 07:49:04 Thanks Aug 28 07:49:19 That one saves a lot of unnecessary typing Aug 28 07:49:56 v3ritas you don't have problems with the oreo effect do you Aug 28 07:50:01 ok, so any outstanding preware, patch, or virtual keyboard installation problems now? Aug 28 07:50:24 No problems with the keyboard once I removed it from quilt Aug 28 07:50:35 But before I did caught in never ending install error Aug 28 07:50:48 Dunno why Aug 28 07:50:49 my problem is the keyboard works but it's not good for landscape yet!!! Aug 28 07:50:56 k4p741n: eh, i do notice a lil bit of twisting, but it's nothing too bad yet Aug 28 07:51:13 I found a definitive solution to ANY twisting Aug 28 07:51:26 verrry simple too, I'm posting images now Aug 28 07:51:39 k4p741n: PreCentral? I'll definitely take a look when you get it up Aug 28 07:51:41 It's tighter now than the day I bought it Aug 28 07:51:47 yeah one sec lemme post it Aug 28 07:51:57 Enter button on the classic black doesnt seem to work Aug 28 07:53:43 Okay it doesn't work within the browser, but in text message it does Aug 28 07:54:33 I must say what a relief to get the service packages for term and GNU is awesome Aug 28 07:54:36 Splmonster: now, your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to bring the other people in those threads here, and then debug their problems :-) Aug 28 07:54:39 workin Aug 28 07:55:00 Oh trust me i'm gonna bring them in here Aug 28 07:55:09 You have been a big help Aug 28 07:55:39 Hey does anyone elses Pre go in and out of service while plugged into USB? Aug 28 07:57:31 the keyboard is kind of laggy right now correct? Aug 28 07:57:50 i have a little bit of lag when i use it Aug 28 07:59:27 i was testing with sound and haptic. works best without either Aug 28 07:59:48 Keyboard is not laggy for me, you can add sound? Aug 28 08:00:14 yeah, in the kb_config.json add "click1.wav" to the sound line (in the quotes) Aug 28 08:00:54 splmonster: did you reboot after install? Aug 28 08:01:01 Yes I did Aug 28 08:01:06 Here you go, precentral link for oreo fix Aug 28 08:01:07 i have a sliiiight lag (compared to roomates iphone) Aug 28 08:01:07 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/200375-i-just-saw-my-first-oreo-pre-2.html#post1852246 Aug 28 08:01:20 Thanks k4p741n Aug 28 08:01:21 Rwhitby I posted in Precentral a lil somethin somethin Aug 28 08:02:16 k4p741n: does that work 100%? Aug 28 08:02:22 Mine works great with haptic of 50 ms Aug 28 08:02:27 Absolutely Aug 28 08:02:36 I swear it's tight as the airlock on a space shuttle Aug 28 08:02:44 You barely have to lift it too Aug 28 08:02:48 So set the MS to 50? Aug 28 08:03:24 Yeah just 50. Some people tried 100 but in my opinion it's less comfortable and it slows down the typing Aug 28 08:03:32 i tried 50 and it was very laggy :( Aug 28 08:03:44 do you reboot aftrwards? Aug 28 08:04:21 I don't think it's gonna update unless you reboot. Aug 28 08:04:27 Am I wrong? Aug 28 08:04:30 Hey do you guys have the service issue when plugged in the USB? Aug 28 08:04:32 WELL NO Aug 28 08:04:34 woops Aug 28 08:04:35 caps Aug 28 08:04:40 just go to term and type pkill LunaSysMgr Aug 28 08:04:47 that bypasses reboot Aug 28 08:04:48 I added sound & haptic & it took effect after i exited usb mode Aug 28 08:04:49 once in USB sound it will replace the file and then it shoudl work Aug 28 08:05:00 ya, but for me it was laggy for some reason Aug 28 08:05:08 im gunna try to fix my oreo cookie Aug 28 08:05:09 Not for me at all Aug 28 08:05:15 Yeah mine is smooth Aug 28 08:05:23 BTW, what is termplugin used for? Aug 28 08:06:00 I had no problems installing it with preware even before the user secure consent came out Aug 28 08:06:24 k4p741n: it's the binary part of the Terminal app Aug 28 08:06:45 Hey so to add the sound, I type what in the config? Aug 28 08:06:49 k4-741n.. blurry pics arnt doin me any justice :( Aug 28 08:07:16 So just lifting that metal slide fixed your twisting? Aug 28 08:07:24 Do I put it under where it says clickfile? Aug 28 08:08:03 Splmonster: there should be a sound line (or something similar) & add "click1.wav" Aug 28 08:08:45 sorry, you were right. "clickFile": "click1.wav" Aug 28 08:08:52 k thx Aug 28 08:08:55 np Aug 28 08:09:01 Spunks3 I couldn't take em with my lovely Pre camera, had to use my Clie UX50 :P Aug 28 08:09:17 But you really don't need that much of a visual Aug 28 08:10:32 am i lifting the silver rail or the black little part? Aug 28 08:10:35 Just so i don't screw this up, the metal bracket should be moved "out" from the phone? Aug 28 08:11:14 Hey after changing that to click1.wav, do I need a reboot? I changed it and its got no sound Aug 28 08:11:31 splmonster - were you in usb mode? Aug 28 08:11:38 When you remove the battery you'll see 2 rails, one on each side of the battery compartment. Easily identified by the black rubber strips. If you really can't find em, close and open your Pre while the battery is out. Look at where the little slider that goes along the rail stops when it hits the bottom. Twist your phone and look at the back. You can see that the slider isn't pushed against the rail like it should be. So open the phone b Aug 28 08:11:38 ack up, then put the screwdriver as low on the rail as it can go and pry the silver lip up Aug 28 08:11:40 make sure your not in vibrate or silent mode Aug 28 08:11:50 i did not need to rebot, just exit from USB mode Aug 28 08:12:02 k give me a sec, let me see if I made a mistake Aug 28 08:12:36 Looks right, and no sound Aug 28 08:12:43 let me unplug and try again Aug 28 08:12:44 is there a comma after that line? Aug 28 08:12:54 "clickFile": "click1.wav", Aug 28 08:13:06 { Aug 28 08:13:06 "haptic": 0, Aug 28 08:13:06 "click1.wav": "", Aug 28 08:13:06 "theme": "remix_classic" Aug 28 08:13:06 } Aug 28 08:13:07 The silver lip is under the black rubber, I ended up tearing a little chunk of the rubber away but I just pryed some extra to compensate and now it's perfect Aug 28 08:13:27 the line i have will make the sound Aug 28 08:13:32 you need "clickFile" back tere Aug 28 08:13:46 oh gotcha, so put click1.wav after it? Aug 28 08:13:57 yes Aug 28 08:14:05 hmmmmm, i feel like if im prying im gunna break the side plastic shelling Aug 28 08:14:13 { Aug 28 08:14:13 "haptic": 0, Aug 28 08:14:13 "clickfile,click1.wav": "", Aug 28 08:14:13 "theme": "remix_classic" Aug 28 08:14:13 } Aug 28 08:14:33 "clickFile": "click1.wav", << Should look like that Aug 28 08:14:48 { Aug 28 08:14:48 "haptic": 50, Aug 28 08:14:48 "clickFile": "click1.wav", Aug 28 08:14:48 "theme": "eazys_theme" Aug 28 08:14:48 } Aug 28 08:15:41 No comma between "clickfile": "click1.wav",? Aug 28 08:15:59 nope, colon Aug 28 08:16:02 k Aug 28 08:16:32 moment of truth Aug 28 08:17:04 Uh oh, no keyboard now Aug 28 08:17:39 it should be on one line, not three Aug 28 08:17:50 Windows puts it into one line Aug 28 08:17:56 Linux leaves the line breaks intact Aug 28 08:17:57 "haptic": 50, "clickFile": "click1.wav", "theme": "eazys_theme" Aug 28 08:18:04 ya ya Aug 28 08:18:37 lol, i think i'm gonna hold off on the twisting effect. I'm afraid to snap something Aug 28 08:19:05 { Aug 28 08:19:05 "haptic": 0, Aug 28 08:19:05 "clickfile": "click1.wav" "", Aug 28 08:19:05 "theme": "remix_classic" Aug 28 08:19:05 } Aug 28 08:19:22 extra set of quotations at the end of line 3 Aug 28 08:19:27 k Aug 28 08:19:46 { Aug 28 08:19:57 "haptic": 0, Aug 28 08:20:12 bad news, no sound Aug 28 08:20:22 oreo is still a twistin... dk what the hell im doin here Aug 28 08:20:26 "clickFile": "click1.wav", Aug 28 08:21:00 { Aug 28 08:21:00 "haptic": 0, Aug 28 08:21:00 "clickFile": "click1.wav", Aug 28 08:21:00 "theme": "remix_classic" Aug 28 08:21:00 } Aug 28 08:21:24 Splmonster: Copy & paste that into the kb_config.json Aug 28 08:21:42 { Aug 28 08:21:42 "haptic": 0, Aug 28 08:21:42 "clickfile": "click1.wav", Aug 28 08:21:42 "theme": "remix_classic" Aug 28 08:21:42 } Aug 28 08:22:01 Thats what I got, and nothin Aug 28 08:22:10 *clickFile Aug 28 08:22:15 i think it's case-sensitive Aug 28 08:22:46 Spunks3 I lifted up the track until I could see it lift. I'd make a video, but if you don't like the still image quality.. oh boy Aug 28 08:23:15 lol its not that, i just feel like im gunna crack the plastic Aug 28 08:23:19 We got sound!!!! ewwwdawgy Aug 28 08:23:44 What should I set the haptic at? 0 seems slow Aug 28 08:23:54 Like it cant keep up with my fast fast typing Aug 28 08:23:55 0 is no haptic Aug 28 08:23:59 Most users have it at 50 Aug 28 08:23:59 50 is slight Aug 28 08:24:06 and 100, may slow down a lot Aug 28 08:24:06 I heard 100 lags Aug 28 08:24:09 lol Aug 28 08:24:17 lol Aug 28 08:24:31 I recommend placing the phone down on a thin layer of something soft, then hold the middle of the phone down with your finger, place your thumb on the side plastic so you don't break it, then just kind of push the screwdriver against the rail at an angle and lift up Aug 28 08:25:03 have microfiber cloth under phone Aug 28 08:25:04 :) Aug 28 08:25:04 When you see it lift and stay when you let go, even just a tid you can let go Aug 28 08:25:11 evening all Aug 28 08:25:11 So no auto correction on this keyboard? Aug 28 08:25:16 Howdy Aug 28 08:25:20 howdy Aug 28 08:25:23 There's a patch for that Aug 28 08:25:25 grrr, cant seem to get mini screwdriver to pry now Aug 28 08:25:26 lol Aug 28 08:25:26 how is everyone ? Aug 28 08:25:28 Oh lawd Aug 28 08:25:40 Just realized thats the Pre equivilent of the iPhone Aug 28 08:25:41 not bad, yourself? Aug 28 08:25:47 awesome.. thanks Aug 28 08:26:08 Want to enable auto correction of your keyboard entries? "There's a patch for that" Aug 28 08:26:11 k4p741n: nice s/app/patch/ Aug 28 08:26:16 lol Aug 28 08:26:30 How do you install that patch? Aug 28 08:26:34 is there a way i can get im on a palm pre ? Aug 28 08:26:40 msn im Aug 28 08:26:45 Windy Live Aug 28 08:26:48 yes mobios Aug 28 08:26:49 I think it has it Aug 28 08:27:13 so we're supposed to be lifting the rail for this? Aug 28 08:27:16 It has MSN if you go into your accounts and set it up Aug 28 08:27:30 i dont know why i'm so slow tonight... Aug 28 08:27:45 do u have the slider open when lifting the rail Aug 28 08:27:47 threw the im app ? Aug 28 08:28:05 v3ritas, I'll explain it again. And as dumb as I put it don't think I'm talking down on you. It's just kind of hard to understand I guess Aug 28 08:28:09 k4 what patch? Aug 28 08:28:30 Okay first, the patch for you Aug 28 08:29:37 I'll take a look at it again tommorrow, i'm starting to push 20+ hours with a few drinks... that's what i'm going to blame for this. You don't have to go through it a third time Aug 28 08:29:56 Here's a program that allows you to edit autocorrect entries Aug 28 08:29:57 http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/193362-autocorrect-edit-7-28-command-line-access.html Aug 28 08:30:10 So when the OS gets updated again, will all this get erased or stat? Aug 28 08:30:16 stay Aug 28 08:30:30 You remove patches before OTA updates Aug 28 08:30:36 The applications will stay Aug 28 08:30:40 is the keyboard a patch?> Aug 28 08:30:46 Yes Aug 28 08:30:50 Okay and now for oreo cookies Aug 28 08:30:54 lol Aug 28 08:30:57 yummmm Aug 28 08:30:57 cant seem to find how to set it up.. for msn Aug 28 08:31:01 double stuffed Aug 28 08:31:07 So first things first, remove the battery cover Aug 28 08:31:12 anyone head me the right direction ? Aug 28 08:31:13 Phone should be closed Aug 28 08:31:16 So the rooting will be erased with new update? Aug 28 08:31:27 closed, upsideown, speaker to the right Aug 28 08:31:47 You will see two rails, one on each side of the battery compartment Aug 28 08:31:49 Nm see that up there Aug 28 08:32:00 they have a thin black layer right? Aug 28 08:32:04 So just remove the patch for the keyboard? Aug 28 08:32:05 If you don't clearly see them, open the Pre up and keep looking at the back Aug 28 08:32:11 Yep thin black layer of rubber Aug 28 08:32:25 k, see the rails Aug 28 08:32:25 There are two metal sliders, one on each rail Aug 28 08:32:41 black sliders with metal circles? Aug 28 08:32:42 The one on the left, or top if the Pre is horizontal Aug 28 08:32:50 Is slightly larger Aug 28 08:33:06 two circles in the top left, one in bottom left? Aug 28 08:33:16 This is why the oreo twisting only happens clockwise, and yes Spunks Aug 28 08:33:22 sorry to insist guys.. some insight in getting msn msgr working on the pre .. anything will be appriciated Aug 28 08:33:24 Hey veritas, not auto correct but... Like captials and how it adds commas Aug 28 08:33:46 master go into messaging Aug 28 08:33:47 So on the smaller metal slider.. Aug 28 08:34:01 Look at where it sits in the total closed position Aug 28 08:34:17 hit the drop down messaging, and click preferences and accounts Aug 28 08:34:41 You can't see it that well, but the slider has a small hook on the underside of it to catch the rail. This is on the top side of the rail Aug 28 08:34:54 Okay forget what I just said, MSN is not in there. Doh!! Okay do you have quick install? Aug 28 08:34:58 Oreo twisiting happens because it's not catching the rail Aug 28 08:34:59 Or Preware Aug 28 08:35:10 So now open the Pre fully Aug 28 08:35:31 And EXACTLY where the small metal slider just was Aug 28 08:35:47 both Aug 28 08:36:05 We're gonna place a tiny flathead screwdriver parallel to the rail going longways Aug 28 08:36:28 Tiniest one you can find, otherwise you may risk cracking the plastic Aug 28 08:36:41 I used one not even a millimeter wide Aug 28 08:37:01 Look at the picture I posted with the screwdriver in there if you're unsure Aug 28 08:37:10 im using a 3.0 mm Aug 28 08:37:20 Ohh that's pretty big Aug 28 08:37:45 * rwhitby suggests using a bigger hammer Aug 28 08:37:48 This one is as wide as the width of a quarter Aug 28 08:37:50 hows a 1.4mm Aug 28 08:38:03 Better, but still large given the delicacy Aug 28 08:38:12 But we can make it work Aug 28 08:38:21 So here's the important part Aug 28 08:38:24 thats the smallest i got lol Aug 28 08:38:35 Flat out prying will just end up cracking the plastic Aug 28 08:39:25 We have to use a small pry motion to get the very tip of the screwdriver under the rail, then push the screwdriver toward the rail and gently lift Aug 28 08:40:10 You might slip a couple times, and keep in mind if you do rip off the rubber track there's no harm done, it actually helps to keep the slider on the rail Aug 28 08:40:32 a chunk of the rubber track I mean, whole thing would be bad/impossible Aug 28 08:40:47 ya black came off first try Aug 28 08:41:03 When you lift it you should feel the metal bend very slightly Aug 28 08:41:06 so i just want that last edge to come up? not a whole lot of rail? Aug 28 08:41:12 Correct Aug 28 08:41:34 You can even put the screwdriver on the bottom corner of the rail if you're having trouble Aug 28 08:41:40 i feel the plastic bending more than anything im trying to hold it with my thumb Aug 28 08:41:43 Thanks k4. I have to find a smaller screwdriver Aug 28 08:41:50 You're using a big screwdriver Aug 28 08:42:02 And might be prying too much Aug 28 08:42:03 Veritas.. Aug 28 08:42:12 Splmonster: yeah? Aug 28 08:42:12 i meen i didnt know the made them smaller than this Aug 28 08:42:16 its for watches n stuff Aug 28 08:42:32 1.4 mm? Aug 28 08:42:32 Can the virtual put in captials and commas are no? Like the auto does on the normal keyboard? Aug 28 08:42:37 That's pretty wide Aug 28 08:43:14 okay, here goes Aug 28 08:43:20 I'd say the width of the screwdriver I used is exactly .5 mm Aug 28 08:43:37 And be gentle, don't pry more than a 10 degree angle Aug 28 08:43:37 Splmonster: i haven't messed around with it enoug to notice. Aug 28 08:44:09 Oh gotcha... Yeah I was wondering, cause i'm the normal keyboard it puts in capitals and commas if you miss them. Aug 28 08:44:37 Just get that bottom corner raised a bit, slide it down, and LIGHTLY twist Aug 28 08:44:57 I wish I could do it for ya Spunks Aug 28 08:45:02 lol Aug 28 08:45:03 ya me to Aug 28 08:45:20 where the F did u get such a tiny screwdriver haha Aug 28 08:45:46 Wow I can't believe i'm still awake. LOL Aug 28 08:46:04 I wish we had like a disk or cache cleaner for the Pre Aug 28 08:46:07 In a radio shack kit Aug 28 08:46:28 blast! thats where i got these Aug 28 08:46:38 Well it's a bit better than it was. I'll have to find a smaller one to try with tomorrow Aug 28 08:46:59 Time to finally hop into bed for the night. ~Later All. Thanks again k4 Aug 28 08:47:09 I wish we had something to pull top output and put it in a list with options to kill task Aug 28 08:47:11 See ya man Aug 28 08:47:15 night v3ritas Aug 28 08:47:37 That would help me with free running scripts Aug 28 08:48:29 So I have roots done within Quick install and now this, so when there is an update take them all off right? What about Preware and the services? Aug 28 08:48:53 spl, depends what you have done Aug 28 08:49:04 Well have you seen the quick install tweaks? Aug 28 08:49:11 if im correct, anything under the tweaks menu has to be undone Aug 28 08:49:23 also, the keyboard is the only patch in preware Aug 28 08:49:32 as of right now... am i correct? Aug 28 08:49:58 I have almost all those, and then I have Preware, package manager service, GNU patch, and keyboard patch file Aug 28 08:50:40 im not sure what the GNU patch is, but sicne it says patch, im guessing it is a patch, which must be uninstalled before updating Aug 28 08:50:49 Cause from about two Palm Reps, they say update very very soon Aug 28 08:51:11 ya, well bell just released their pre and im sure they will have a few bugs needed to be fixed Aug 28 08:51:14 i guess cause the Bell Pre has 1.2 Aug 28 08:51:30 GNU patch is the normal patch utility. Used to be called the Preware Patch Utility but it was renamed due to confusion Aug 28 08:51:41 what does GNU do? Aug 28 08:51:53 Yeah do I need to remove that K4 when an update comes? Aug 28 08:52:27 No not the patch utility Aug 28 08:52:42 I wouldn't use it after the update until the patches are updated Aug 28 08:52:57 But the utility should be fine Aug 28 08:53:08 What you'll have to do for a WebOS update Aug 28 08:53:09 what does GNU do? Aug 28 08:53:25 Go into QuickInstall and uncheck anything in Tweaks Aug 28 08:53:43 Yeah thats what i though, and thats it? Aug 28 08:54:02 Then ssh into your pre and type mount -o remount,rw / Aug 28 08:54:13 then cd / Aug 28 08:54:19 then quilt pop -a Aug 28 08:54:34 if it gets errors like "Patch could not be removed" Aug 28 08:54:41 then type quilt pop -a -f Aug 28 08:55:08 Once it says "no patches applied", go ahead and type quilt applied and make sure the list is empty Aug 28 08:55:53 Then mount -o remount,ro / Aug 28 08:55:56 And reboot Aug 28 08:56:06 Then go ahead and do the webos update Aug 28 08:58:40 So just undue all the tweaks in quick install and thats it? Aug 28 08:59:45 also Remove the keyboard from Preware Aug 28 09:00:07 the patch file for it? Aug 28 09:00:16 ipk sorry Aug 28 09:00:27 if you open preware, then go to available patches, it should be listes Aug 28 09:00:30 listed Aug 28 09:00:39 there should be a remove or uninstall button Aug 28 09:00:42 k just remove that? I can keep the GNU one tho? Aug 28 09:00:53 im not sure of the GNU Aug 28 09:00:57 idk what it does lol Aug 28 09:01:03 It's a patch utility, allows for them Aug 28 09:01:18 wierd, i dont have it installed i dont think Aug 28 09:01:49 Forget the GNU parth Aug 28 09:01:52 rwhitby I do have to have that GNU to install the keyboard through Preware right? Aug 28 09:02:00 Imagine its called Preware Patch Utility Aug 28 09:02:10 It's how Preware will install patches from now on Aug 28 09:02:11 It's now called GNU patch binary Aug 28 09:02:39 then whats the package manager service? Aug 28 09:02:46 So Preware can run Aug 28 09:02:49 And Splmonster yes you will Aug 28 09:02:50 ah yes, i do have GNU installed Aug 28 09:03:08 The Preware Package Manager service is how Preware installs ipk's Aug 28 09:03:25 So I can keep Preware and package manager right? Aug 28 09:03:33 you've probably seen some ipkg commands floating around there, it's essentially the same thing Aug 28 09:03:36 so i need that to run Preware Aug 28 09:03:44 Yes Aug 28 09:03:55 the GNU enables me to install patches without rooting im guessing? Aug 28 09:04:00 Yes Aug 28 09:04:06 Tahdah! Aug 28 09:04:20 so its not a patch itself, therefor i can update without removing it??? Aug 28 09:04:21 :)? Aug 28 09:04:43 If the onscreen keyboard is your first patch that's all you'll need to remove (besides tweaks in QuickInstall) before doing a WebOS update Aug 28 09:04:49 It's not a patch Aug 28 09:04:54 It's the Patch utility Aug 28 09:05:07 So package manager and gnu can stay during update? Aug 28 09:05:17 Yep Aug 28 09:05:21 okay cool Aug 28 09:05:21 Think of it this way Aug 28 09:05:31 You know how some patches don't work with each other? Aug 28 09:05:36 yeah Aug 28 09:05:52 Because they write to the same file and change things and they just won't work Aug 28 09:06:03 Well the WebOS updates are basically patches Aug 28 09:06:10 yea, have to have each script added seperatly correct? Aug 28 09:06:11 gotcha Aug 28 09:06:26 So before you do that, you need to make sure everything is in it's original state, otherwise their patches won't work Aug 28 09:06:34 gocha Aug 28 09:06:39 So i'm thinking of deleting filecoaster, not really good to me anymore Aug 28 09:07:01 Yeah, the only reason I still had it was because of the ipk link download Aug 28 09:07:16 Yeah that is one benefit Aug 28 09:07:25 theres no way to download images from webpages yet right? Aug 28 09:07:28 For the most part everything shows on preware and quick install feeds Aug 28 09:07:34 only a patch for direct file downloads? Aug 28 09:07:43 Nah, there's things that aren't on either Aug 28 09:08:14 im gunna keep filecoaster around cus i made the icon for it :) lol Aug 28 09:08:18 What about Preload? Doesn't seem to do much for me Aug 28 09:08:35 Like this Aug 28 09:08:36 http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/193362-autocorrect-edit-7-28-command-line-access.html Aug 28 09:08:36 also pregame is a great dev in my opinion, and listens to what people want Aug 28 09:08:58 Preload is unnecessary Aug 28 09:09:17 Yeah, it doesn't have much. The sounds and ringtones have poor quality Aug 28 09:09:35 preload takes up space Aug 28 09:09:43 Agreed Aug 28 09:09:52 Hmm Aug 28 09:10:01 I wish we had a patch for email landscape mode Aug 28 09:10:02 My phone is stuck in vibrate mode for some damn reason Aug 28 09:10:07 Waaaaaaht Aug 28 09:10:10 o man Aug 28 09:10:14 There totally is one Aug 28 09:10:18 theres a secret code too Aug 28 09:10:19 lol Aug 28 09:10:20 No for preware Aug 28 09:10:34 You can't use preware for now but it's extremely simple Aug 28 09:10:51 I'm not to literate on linux commands tho Aug 28 09:10:55 Have you read applying patches on the webos-internals wiki? Aug 28 09:11:02 It gives you all the commands Aug 28 09:11:27 temporarilly you can type RockNRollHax into the starting email screen Aug 28 09:11:35 yeah i know but.. okay this is gonna sound terrible. You access the commands through command prompt right? Aug 28 09:11:53 Well you have to root your Pre, which I imagine you haven't done Aug 28 09:11:59 Nope Aug 28 09:12:06 To afraid to, I want to bad Aug 28 09:12:18 I just don't wanna mess something up ya know? Aug 28 09:12:24 Being that i'm a rookie with this Aug 28 09:12:27 Well let me show you this and you tell me if you can follow these instructions Aug 28 09:12:37 This is a great way to learn Aug 28 09:12:47 hmm... the pre uses pulseaudio internally? Aug 28 09:12:57 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Accessing_Linux Aug 28 09:13:18 Look at the part in blue on the right called Procedure Aug 28 09:13:29 Follow it step by step and click the links in each number Aug 28 09:13:53 I have SDK Aug 28 09:14:12 Yeah I will go over it and read it tomorrow. Doesn't look to bad Aug 28 09:14:14 Next is enable dev mode Aug 28 09:14:22 Done that already? Aug 28 09:14:34 must have in order to get preware right Aug 28 09:14:47 I just turned it off Aug 28 09:14:54 I will do all this tomorrow, im about to pass out Aug 28 09:15:15 If your on here tomorrow I will try it. Night everyone Aug 28 09:15:25 night Splmonster Aug 28 09:15:25 I got a server to set up for a mortgage company in 4 hours, I'm just getting my enjoyment in for the night Aug 28 09:15:28 Night Spl Aug 28 09:15:39 lol, crazy k4p741n Aug 28 09:15:57 i have an open bar wedding to go to @ 1 Aug 28 09:15:58 lol Aug 28 09:16:04 Oooh niice Aug 28 09:16:11 I'm getting paid though Aug 28 09:16:12 :p Aug 28 09:16:17 haha, just thinking that Aug 28 09:16:34 I already went there once to do it Aug 28 09:16:48 they mess everything up? Aug 28 09:16:51 Had the server set up 100%, took me all day to shape it to exactly how they wanted it Aug 28 09:17:26 The office manager asked me to transfer some files. Plugged my hard drive in, and BAM. Shorted the mobo Aug 28 09:17:37 GOOOOOO Aug 28 09:17:52 He still paid me 300 for my time Aug 28 09:18:01 lol, not to shaby Aug 28 09:18:01 Which I spend half on getting a new mobo Aug 28 09:18:38 well my friend, i think im gunna join splmonster and hit the sack.. im sure ill b here a lot more often Aug 28 09:18:50 Now I transferred the file in advance, ripped out the front USB ports (which should have never been on a server in the first place!) and I'm ready to drop it in and get paid Aug 28 09:18:50 thanks for all the help!! Aug 28 09:19:10 lol, sounds like your all set to go Aug 28 09:19:14 No prob Spunks, I'm on mostly every day so ttyl Aug 28 09:19:24 nice, see ya then! Aug 28 09:19:30 Peace Aug 28 12:33:08 re Aug 28 12:54:30 morning Aug 28 12:54:48 I find I'm a little jealous of those iPod screen covers... did you guys find anything that fits nicely? Aug 28 12:55:44 moring Rick_work Aug 28 12:56:55 has anyone gotten the pre to work w/ the free ssl certs from startssl? Aug 28 12:57:04 in my case w/ dovecot Aug 28 12:57:30 I've downloaded both my public key and startssl's cert to my pre's cert list and it doesn't help Aug 28 12:58:32 Decimation: all good in Preware land? Aug 28 12:59:27 seems to be. Aug 28 12:59:42 Doing wiki cleanup this am to kill time before things start Aug 28 13:00:37 Is there instructions for changing keyboard themes somewhere? Aug 28 13:00:49 Rick_work: do we need an Application:VirtualKeyboard page just like Preware and Terminal? Aug 28 13:01:16 something for the "now this is ready for installing" set of users, as opposed to the other one which is more about the design and initial prototyping Aug 28 13:02:03 I'm thinking about that . Aug 28 13:04:25 I don't think so Aug 28 13:04:29 please go look at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/On_Screen_Keyboard Aug 28 13:04:34 and tell me what you think. Aug 28 13:05:58 Rick_work: BTW, you no longer need to download ipkgs with quick installer - just hit the third button and select them from the list Aug 28 13:06:25 So the Installation Steps section is way too complex Aug 28 13:06:44 on http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware Aug 28 13:07:10 darn Aug 28 13:07:12 ok Aug 28 13:07:13 hit the third button on the right hand side. select the webosinternals feed. select the package manager service and Preware Aug 28 13:07:18 ok Aug 28 13:08:07 Me Go Fix Aug 28 13:11:52 go look now Aug 28 13:13:23 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware#Installation__Steps ? Aug 28 13:15:39 rwhitby: oh yes. Aug 28 13:16:11 Rick_work: Puurrrfect now Aug 28 13:16:31 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware Aug 28 13:16:38 and go look at that one please Aug 28 13:16:46 Rick_work: +1 Aug 28 13:17:05 I haven't installed Preware yet, I suck Aug 28 13:17:24 psykoz yes, you do Aug 28 13:17:36 its true psykoz, you do indeed suck. Aug 28 13:17:42 but it's now so freaking easy to do that you can unsuck yourself in just moments Aug 28 13:18:10 WebOS quick install rocks, but since it's not ON PRE, it doesn't know about UPDATES. Aug 28 13:18:34 it can still read all the apps from the pre Aug 28 13:18:36 (although I pointed out to Jason that he could query IPKG for installed apps and LIST updates...) :-) Aug 28 13:18:41 its possible to work in an update solution Aug 28 13:18:48 nodnod I just said that Aug 28 13:18:59 BUT I SAID IT FIRST Aug 28 13:19:00 kinda. Aug 28 13:19:03 kinda Aug 28 13:19:16 i also said kinda first. Aug 28 13:19:27 gosh, my days going good already. Aug 28 13:19:33 nodnod Aug 28 13:19:47 i haven't slept in about 30 hours though, so thats not to good. Aug 28 13:19:51 So, I'm updating our app pages to suggest Preware installation. Aug 28 13:19:55 That's NOT good. Aug 28 13:20:05 and if you're over 30, it's double-plus ungood. Aug 28 13:20:18 hmm, your right. Aug 28 13:20:22 no turning back now. Aug 28 13:20:25 Rick_work: actually, Jason does pull the ipkg status file from the Pre. I showed him how to do it. Aug 28 13:20:45 i have to go to breakfast, then the mall, then the movies. Aug 28 13:20:49 gonna be a LONGGG day. Aug 28 13:21:04 rwhitby he just hasn't incorperated it into his UI yet? Aug 28 13:21:43 Rick_work: yep, you get two + signs next to a package in the feed list that needs updating. Aug 28 13:22:00 he didn't have the benefit of your focus group and paper mockups Aug 28 13:37:58 hehehe Aug 28 13:38:11 That's the problem with extreme programming Aug 28 13:38:25 Design actually is a useful part of development Aug 28 13:38:26 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Terminal Aug 28 13:38:29 ughh Mojo doesn't seem to be in scope for parts of the framework Aug 28 13:38:32 ok, try that one Aug 28 13:38:42 v4lyfe that is correct Aug 28 13:38:44 do you think that we can re-initialie it by just reloading it? Aug 28 13:38:50 for MANY parts of the framework. Aug 28 13:38:53 why? Aug 28 13:38:56 Mojo IS the framework Aug 28 13:39:01 the framework IS mojo Aug 28 13:39:06 very zen Aug 28 13:39:17 very functional programming Aug 28 13:39:21 What I am saying is that I want to call Mojo.Log.error() Aug 28 13:39:26 you CAN recursively callitself tho Aug 28 13:39:31 why? Aug 28 13:39:38 and i can't because even though the Mojo object is defined, Mojo.Log.error isn't Aug 28 13:39:42 not sure why Aug 28 13:39:49 I am kind of in an edge case here. Aug 28 13:39:53 Rick_work: for Terminal, you need to separately install the Terminal Plugin first Aug 28 13:39:55 no no, why do you want to call the error logger Aug 28 13:40:06 rwhitby thanks, I'll clarify that. Aug 28 13:40:09 Rick_work: see the Limitations section of Preware for the reasons why Aug 28 13:40:11 Doing security testing and I have injected into another proccess, I want to figure out what is going on. Aug 28 13:40:20 uh Aug 28 13:40:27 logging to /var/log/messages is the easiest way Aug 28 13:40:36 why not just output to the console.... assuming your logged into the pre via ssh Aug 28 13:40:59 please elaborate, I haven't done that Aug 28 13:41:57 console.log? Aug 28 13:43:53 yep Aug 28 13:44:06 console.log('your message here') Aug 28 13:44:10 http://www.precentral.net/screen-virtual-keyboard-go-mere-mortals Aug 28 13:44:32 glad I updated the wiki Aug 28 13:47:43 I am sorry but i can't find that on the wiki, can you please point me to the page? Aug 28 13:47:47 console.log('your message here') Aug 28 13:47:48 sorry wrong pase Aug 28 13:48:20 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Patch_webOS_Logging_Information_from_Within_Scripts Aug 28 13:48:31 I was following that guide Aug 28 13:50:09 I love the first comment on the PreCentral story Aug 28 13:51:04 some guy would have preferred we wrote some games instead of doing Preware and the Virtual Keyboard :-) Aug 28 13:53:30 just in time checking here before I left, someone let Dieter know that the symbols unlock the scroller. he has to scroll the keyboard to see the symbols below it when the sym lock is on Aug 28 13:54:30 heh, my tweet beat Dieter's by 2 minutes :-) Aug 28 13:54:43 when updating the package service manager within Preware (currently using version 0.7.6) how do I know when the upgrade is complete? I get the warning notification but after selecting yes, nothing is displayed letting you know if it complete or not Aug 28 13:54:47 egaudet_away: you're even more famous now. I let Dieter know about the syms Aug 28 13:55:20 mrjcarter: yeah, that's a known issue. restart Preware and you will see it's updated. Aug 28 13:55:26 now to run away for the weekend before the influx of new bug reports :P Aug 28 13:55:41 egaudet_away: good plan. Dieter got the message and asked me to thank you. Aug 28 13:56:15 rwhitby, thanks. so an whole restart isnt necessary? that's what I've been doing so far. Aug 28 13:56:23 mrjcarter: the thing is that to upgrade the package manager service, we need to restart the service which handles the communication between the package manager service and the Preware app. So the final confirm message never makes it. Aug 28 13:56:35 Yeah, just restart Preware. Aug 28 13:56:47 thanks, makes sense Aug 28 13:58:48 he did good on the article. Alright, awesome work everyone getting it out. (Nice fix last night on that bug btw). I'm off, enjoy the weekend guys Aug 28 14:03:55 Hmm. I don't have anything in Available Patches. Aug 28 14:04:50 tlp: do you have version 0.7.7 of the Package Manager Service and Preware ? Aug 28 14:05:16 yep Aug 28 14:05:48 I did an update via the command-line. Maybe I missed a postint script somewhere. Aug 28 14:06:07 tlp: yep, you missed the postinst script for ipkgservice Aug 28 14:06:26 you can confirm that by selecting the menu in the main screen and looking at the config files Aug 28 14:06:42 you'll see an unconfigured message for webos-internals.conf Aug 28 14:06:49 tlp@castle:~$ sudo sh /var/usr/lib/ipkg/info/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice.postinst Aug 28 14:06:53 that one? Aug 28 14:06:56 yep Aug 28 14:07:03 yeah, I did run it. hmm Aug 28 14:07:13 did you have the rootfs rw when you ran it? Aug 28 14:07:20 I believe so, yes Aug 28 14:07:28 ok, check the List Configs Aug 28 14:07:34 running it again will not hurt Aug 28 14:07:57 rebooted the pre and now I've got the patch listed Aug 28 14:11:04 wow, pretty cool @ keyboard. Aug 28 14:17:38 rwhitby: with the most recent versions of everything, it seems there has been nothing but positive feedback in the keyboard thread at precentral..nice work :) Aug 28 14:17:58 URL? Aug 28 14:31:42 Decimation: Do you just mean the comment thread on the PreCentral article? Aug 28 14:44:29 * rwhitby bbt Aug 28 14:44:52 PuffTheMagic, you around? Aug 28 14:44:58 yeah Aug 28 14:44:59 whats up Aug 28 14:45:09 you are good with java services right? Aug 28 14:45:12 yeah Aug 28 14:45:15 can I pm you? Aug 28 14:45:40 i dont care, but i dont see why it cant be in here if its somethinhg people will learn from Aug 28 14:46:06 ok well i wanted to see if you had some time to work on a service for an open source app that will be released under WebOS Boston user group :) Aug 28 14:46:38 I need to communicate with a 3rd party api http://developers.freshbooks.com/api/ however I would need a service to do that and convert the XML to JSON so that I could consume it in the application Aug 28 14:46:51 because I cannot consume that api using javascript Aug 28 14:47:07 javascript has no problem reading xml Aug 28 14:47:14 oil, i know that Aug 28 14:47:26 but i cannot make the requests to the api from js due to xss Aug 28 14:47:44 and i figured the service could do the conversion from xml to json to make it even easier in js code :D Aug 28 14:47:48 oil: good morning. 0.7.7 is getting rave reviews. nice work. Aug 28 14:48:01 0.7.7 of what? Aug 28 14:48:16 preware Aug 28 14:48:22 ah Aug 28 14:48:33 PuffTheMagic, would you have time to do something like this? Aug 28 14:48:51 jcrawford: does ths webos boston need hosting a place to put this app :D or is it under webosinternals Aug 28 14:49:05 jcrawford: yeah i could probably do it Aug 28 14:49:37 we would probably host the app on preware and/or try to get it into the app catalog, however it will be free and open source as WebOS Boston is going to be a not for profit Aug 28 14:50:06 jcrawford: what im saying is that im starting an opensource pre dev hosting site with its own feed Aug 28 14:50:14 that will be included in preware Aug 28 14:50:17 we could host it there as well :) Aug 28 14:50:36 so like precentral, but cleaner and no adds to see Aug 28 14:50:41 cool Aug 28 14:50:42 and all open Aug 28 14:51:40 PuffTheMagic, do you anticipate this would be a time consuming project? Aug 28 14:51:43 the service i mean Aug 28 14:52:01 I also have to learn how to make an application and service installable Aug 28 14:52:26 jcrawford: well i've been trying to get rwhitby to make all that info more public Aug 28 14:52:29 i mean tweed does not use a service, they use ruby. can a service be installed with an application through preware/app catalog? Aug 28 14:52:37 but i will put instructions for that on my new site Aug 28 14:52:40 and a developer reference Aug 28 14:52:47 i think the service shouldnt be too hard Aug 28 14:52:56 the api seems simple Aug 28 14:52:59 and its documented Aug 28 14:52:59 i want it to be easy to install so any user can use it and not just developers Aug 28 14:53:05 a service definitely isnt going to make it into the app catalog Aug 28 14:53:16 why not? Aug 28 14:53:21 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=tree <- public, just not documented. Aug 28 14:53:21 there already are i though Aug 28 14:53:21 ok so then maybe a service is not the route to go then... Aug 28 14:53:28 in palms Aug 28 14:53:31 ? Aug 28 14:53:34 oh right Aug 28 14:53:35 maybe not Aug 28 14:53:45 oil: i didnt htink u were saying plams Aug 28 14:53:46 and it might Aug 28 14:53:49 if its good enough Aug 28 14:53:51 lol Aug 28 14:53:54 does the pre have any server side languages other than ruby installed? Aug 28 14:53:57 id love to see what they say when you submit it Aug 28 14:54:09 the pre has ruby on it? Aug 28 14:54:12 and you can access it from mojo? Aug 28 14:54:19 * oil is shocked Aug 28 14:54:21 how do they expect us to communicate with API's if we cannot use a service :) Aug 28 14:54:23 this is the first ive heard of it Aug 28 14:54:29 oil: im not saying its likely, but all the other major apps have services Aug 28 14:54:32 so if its a quality app Aug 28 14:54:34 it might make it in Aug 28 14:54:46 * oil waits for irc service, we'll try it Aug 28 14:54:59 so in order to write apps we also have to learn ruby eh Aug 28 14:56:16 * oil would love to see some more about ruby on the pre Aug 28 14:56:16 hi folks ! Aug 28 14:56:31 you would think a search on developer.palm.com would have something Aug 28 14:56:32 but it doesnt Aug 28 14:56:43 Preware is broken or what ? Aug 28 14:56:48 RainMan! Does Preware and the virtual keyboard work on the Bellmo pre? Aug 28 14:56:56 preware yes Aug 28 14:57:04 but not now ! yesterday it was okay Aug 28 14:57:07 they should have php on it as well :) Aug 28 14:57:16 then it would be so easy for me to write this proxy heh Aug 28 14:57:24 jcrawford: that is crazy Aug 28 14:57:24 php Aug 28 14:57:35 i want to install the patch for the keyboard .. but i will do it on the ssh then Aug 28 14:57:37 w8 Aug 28 14:57:56 PuffTheMagic, why should i learn ruby to be able to do this :) Aug 28 14:58:05 have 10 years of php under the belt :D Aug 28 14:58:18 why do you need ruby either? Aug 28 14:58:22 * oil is still waiting for something that says ruby is on the pre Aug 28 14:59:29 oil: it's in optware, but I didn't know it was on a stock Pre Aug 28 14:59:34 PuffTheMagic, you need some server side code to be a proxy to apis otherwise you cannot access them without a service Aug 28 14:59:40 i dont think it is Aug 28 14:59:46 but jcrawford keeps saying it is Aug 28 14:59:51 and i keep trying to get him to back it up Aug 28 14:59:53 oil look at the tweed source code Aug 28 14:59:57 they use ruby for their app Aug 28 15:00:06 it runs on their server? Aug 28 15:01:03 no it runs on the pre Aug 28 15:01:09 to conmmunicate with twitter i would assume Aug 28 15:01:16 because you cannot make ajax calls to twitter with JS Aug 28 15:01:26 rwhitby Package org.webosinternals.virtual-keyboard md5sum mismatch. Aug 28 15:01:36 downloaded from www.preware.org Aug 28 15:01:44 where is the source at? Aug 28 15:01:45 RainMan: usually indicates a network problem Aug 28 15:01:56 (or are you just getting it off the pre) Aug 28 15:02:03 erm i'm on wifi ... Aug 28 15:02:26 jcrawford: how soon do you need this service? Aug 28 15:02:27 i pulled it off the pre Aug 28 15:02:40 PuffTheMagic, well i need to find out from palm if a service would be allowed Aug 28 15:02:51 don't want to do all this work to find out it wont get any use from people heh Aug 28 15:02:54 RainMan: are you getting that error in Preware, or on the command line with ipkg -o /var ? Aug 28 15:03:02 in the command line Aug 28 15:03:08 preware is stuck .. Aug 28 15:03:12 "updating" for ever Aug 28 15:04:24 RainMan: did you ipkg -o /var update ? Aug 28 15:04:48 jcrawford: whats wong if its only avail in 3rd party catalog Aug 28 15:04:54 jcrawford: do you work for freshbooks? Aug 28 15:04:57 humm i think i'Ve forgot the -o /var Aug 28 15:05:05 PuffTheMagic, no i do not work for freshbooks Aug 28 15:05:10 damn Aug 28 15:05:24 PuffTheMagic, it will get the most exposure from the official app catalog Aug 28 15:05:35 rwhitby thx Aug 28 15:05:56 jcrawford: i'd have to imagine that homebrew will always have the lead on apps Aug 28 15:05:58 at this rate Aug 28 15:06:08 how many apps are int he official catalog now? Aug 28 15:07:16 rwhitby in general, the patch have some trouble.. i think i will install all the patch just to test them Aug 28 15:08:01 RainMan: yep. does the keyboard ipkg work? Aug 28 15:08:30 w8 i've booted the pre .. Damn that thing dont boot fast Aug 28 15:08:40 PuffTheMagic, the official catalog will boom as soon as you can start charging for apps Aug 28 15:08:52 it is accessable via any pre that is out there without any modification Aug 28 15:09:07 therefore you will get the idiots who have to have the pre and don't know how to do anything but tap :0 Aug 28 15:09:24 RainMan, no booting is *sloowwww* Aug 28 15:09:27 well unless some influx of better devs starts making games Aug 28 15:09:34 i havent seen anything worth paying for yet Aug 28 15:10:13 well preware 0.7.6 = broken for me ! .. Aug 28 15:10:23 ho .. 0.7.7 out ! maybe it'S that Aug 28 15:10:36 but it's stupid if i got to go root to update preware itself lol Aug 28 15:11:08 RainMan: you don't. use webos quick install like the wiki page says Aug 28 15:11:36 from 0.7.7 it can update itself if you follow the instructions Aug 28 15:11:46 i'm on XP64 .. so no novacom Aug 28 15:11:50 before 1.0.0 it will be rock solid Aug 28 15:12:16 i will try an ipkg ... update Aug 28 15:12:18 RainMan: afraid I can't help what you inflict upon yourself ;-) Aug 28 15:12:22 maybe ;) Aug 28 15:12:27 (xp64 that is) Aug 28 15:12:50 i have windows7 on the desk just too lazy to install it lol Aug 28 15:12:57 i w8 vista Aug 28 15:13:06 euu Aug 28 15:13:17 typo Aug 28 15:17:23 PuffTheMagic, good point, nothing really worth paying for yet :) Aug 28 15:19:37 jcrawford Aug 28 15:19:43 the .rb files in tweed Aug 28 15:19:52 say /usr/bin/ruby Aug 28 15:19:55 but ruby isnt there Aug 28 15:20:01 its not being executed on the pre Aug 28 15:21:43 * oil goes to work Aug 28 15:21:44 later Aug 28 15:21:46 rwhitby do you know how to start a service in CLI ? Aug 28 15:22:07 RainMan: yep, take a look at the postinst file Aug 28 15:22:18 the log ? Aug 28 15:22:43 sorry i use Fbsd for a few year so linux is far in my head lol Aug 28 15:23:55 RainMan: /var/usr/lib/ipkg/info/.postinst Aug 28 15:24:00 thx Aug 28 15:24:07 sorry for some newb question haha Aug 28 15:25:57 RainMan: no probs - you're contributing valuable BellMo information Aug 28 15:26:13 so you get a high "newbie question" credit :-) Aug 28 15:26:20 hahah Aug 28 15:26:28 thx then ;) Aug 28 15:31:19 rwhitby Aug 28 15:32:20 oil, ok so then the ruby is nothing but garbage bundled with their app then? Aug 28 15:32:35 how the heck are they doing the api calls then Aug 28 15:32:37 the keyboard almost work .. but some key (. , etc) are grayed out (work) the . one (at left of the spacebar work like "spacebar" etc Aug 28 15:32:43 i will have to disect that more later today i guess :D Aug 28 15:33:18 ho btw the enter dont work ! Aug 28 15:53:10 Anyone here know about the terminal application? Aug 28 15:55:38 I ran the optware-bootstrap.sh script on my PRE, but, it failed reporting "Failed to start the Dropbear SSH deamon:" I posted the log as webos.pastebin.com as instructed. And, now I am here asking for assistance. Aug 28 15:55:40 i'm trying to install it now Aug 28 15:56:32 I installed it with Preware and it doesn't work. There was even an update today and that still doesn't work. I tried rebooting, too. Aug 28 15:57:05 did you install the term plugin? Aug 28 15:57:44 i had terminal installed, but not the termplugin Aug 28 15:57:50 so all i got was a black screen Aug 28 15:57:51 HattCzech, are you asking me? If so, I don't think I did Aug 28 15:58:08 just installed the plugin, now terminal works (mostly) Aug 28 15:58:18 many_miles: no, talking to Pre101 Aug 28 15:58:33 This morning it asked me to install it. Aug 28 15:58:40 Where is it hiding? Aug 28 15:58:51 many_miles: where's the pastebin? i can TRY to help Aug 28 15:58:59 ah, there it is. Yes, it's installed. I'll remove and reinstall. Aug 28 15:59:02 many_miles initctl: (00558/41766357) Unknown job: optware-dropbear Aug 28 15:59:11 i installed it through webos quick install... i couldn't find it through preware Aug 28 15:59:12 I copied and pasted it to webos.pastebin.com Aug 28 15:59:19 And, thnaks Aug 28 15:59:40 rainman: yeah, I manually tried that, and that is the same output I get Aug 28 16:00:21 Well, I can't remove the terminal service plugin. Aug 28 16:00:42 i don't think you need to remove it... just make sure it's there Aug 28 16:00:58 yeah, and i'm not sure how you would remove it, either Aug 28 16:01:05 Pre101: did you follow the instructions on the Terminal wiki page? Aug 28 16:01:28 rwhitby: i didn't :) and it works (kinda) Aug 28 16:01:37 i get a segmentation fault when i do an 'ls' Aug 28 16:01:49 I probably installed them out of order. I just saw it in the preware feed and clicked on it to install it. Aug 28 16:01:51 HattCzech: if you can't find it in Preware, then it means that your Package Manager Service is not installed correctly. Aug 28 16:02:16 you can determine that by looking at the List Configs menu item on the Preware main screen. Aug 28 16:02:22 Preware needs a dependency checker. Aug 28 16:02:29 Am I supposed to have an optware-dropbear in /etc/event.d? If so, I do NOT have that file. I do have a /etc/event.d/dropbear Aug 28 16:02:39 Pre101: did you read the Limitations section of the Preware wiki page? Aug 28 16:02:52 nope. Aug 28 16:03:35 So you expect to be able to use alpha software without reading any documentation related to it? Aug 28 16:03:49 okay, i can see it under the everything section... i just wasn't looking hard enough befor Aug 28 16:03:50 Of course. Aug 28 16:03:52 before* Aug 28 16:03:52 :) Aug 28 16:04:09 Pre101: then you deserve the results you are obtaining ;-) Aug 28 16:04:48 rwhitby: any reason my ls causes a segmentation fault? Aug 28 16:05:13 In any case, I'll just fix it from the shell Aug 28 16:05:38 HattCzech: no idea. Terminal 0.2.2 and termplugin 0.2.2 work fine here in the Emulator. Aug 28 16:05:54 are you using color for your shell? Aug 28 16:06:03 nope. Aug 28 16:06:11 i wonder if that's the problem Aug 28 16:06:15 probably Aug 28 16:06:20 I'm sure it's on the list but a simple description field would be nice then it could mention the dependency in the description of terminal. Aug 28 16:06:26 but color is so much better :) Aug 28 16:06:27 busybox and color don't match too well Aug 28 16:06:47 Is there an easy way to remove and reinstall dropbear? Perhaps that will fix my problem? Aug 28 16:06:50 Pre101: what will be better is just to implement dependencies. Aug 28 16:07:05 why don't they? my nas has busybox + color, and now my pre (after some updates) does too Aug 28 16:07:12 Mmm, perhaps. Descriptions of what you're going to get will be nice in any case. Aug 28 16:07:12 Pre101: it's next on the list. Aug 28 16:08:03 Pre101: once dependencies are implemented, then Preware will be able to tell you that based on the real metadata, not some description which will quickly get out of date. Aug 28 16:08:42 HattCzech: depends on the version of busybox, and what configuration options it was compiled with. Aug 28 16:09:19 is anyone able to run Palm's app catalog as well as Preware? Aug 28 16:09:51 egaudet_away: saw the keyboard video on precentral blog, looks great Aug 28 16:09:54 http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=1852773#post1852773 concerns me, cause I don't have a Pre and the Emulator does not have the app catalog. Aug 28 16:11:00 gkatsev: egaudet_away is away for the weekend :-) Aug 28 16:11:31 ok Aug 28 16:12:35 rwhitby: i have a feeling the guy there just had the internet connection crap out for him. ive had it happen to me a few times and the partial erase rebooted the phone or something and reconnected the data Aug 28 16:13:11 ok, so someone can confirm that Preware is compatible with the Palm App Catalog app? Aug 28 16:14:05 Amazing! Terminal actually works when you install the dependencies first. Aug 28 16:15:08 Now terminal needs a pref where I can choose the user to log in as, since I created a non-root account on my pre already. Aug 28 16:15:22 * rwhitby calls it a night. catch you guys tomorrow sometime. Aug 28 16:15:30 rwhitby: night Aug 28 16:15:36 night rwhitby Aug 28 16:16:12 I'm back Aug 28 16:17:48 Isthere a way to mass text everyone on your contacts without scrolling through and picking all of them? Aug 28 16:18:02 TheBat no Aug 28 16:18:29 Damn Aug 28 16:18:34 Had a customer asking about it Aug 28 16:19:08 TheBat: you might be able to create a google contact group or something like and then text it? Aug 28 16:19:54 Tried that Aug 28 16:20:05 They have like 300 contacts and that doesn't work Aug 28 16:21:25 ok, then no, atm, you cant. though, supposedly they are working on it, if "we hear you loud and clear" means that Aug 28 16:22:29 lol Aug 28 16:23:04 TheBat: thats what half the answers yesterday at the tweetathon were Aug 28 16:23:46 and the other half were "we'd love to hear your feedback" Aug 28 16:24:09 anyone know of anything that currently exists on the Pre (stock or homebrew) that will stream mms? Aug 28 16:25:23 What's the plam twitter acct Aug 28 16:25:42 edwardjpalmer: i'm guessing you mean stream sounds from an sms? Aug 28 16:25:49 TheBat: @palm Aug 28 16:25:51 :D Aug 28 16:25:52 www.twitter.com/palm Aug 28 16:25:53 lol Aug 28 16:26:20 no...streaming audio from a mms:// url Aug 28 16:29:04 I tried MiMMS, but the version in the optware package is really old and doesn't appear to support opening a mmsh:// stream. Aug 28 16:29:32 Hmm Aug 28 16:29:41 I know the browser nativly streams .pls files Aug 28 16:29:48 never tries mms Aug 28 16:30:07 ahhh, i haven't played with streaming audio except for pandora... there's a shoutcast app and maybe another one or two Aug 28 16:30:09 It doesn't work directly from the browser. Aug 28 16:30:51 What error do you get Aug 28 16:31:10 mimms says "Unrecognizeable URL" Aug 28 16:31:38 I verified it does open a mms:// stream but not mmsh:// Aug 28 16:31:46 hmm Aug 28 16:32:27 Found a shell script for streaming XM radio, and all the dependencies were in the optware package...just that mimms is too old. Aug 28 16:42:11 can it play .asx type files (playlists) with mms embedded links? Aug 28 16:43:33 I don't know...I haven't tried that! Can the stock media player play .asx files? Aug 28 16:47:43 well let's find out. Send me the reflector number and I can send you the asx file Aug 28 16:50:01 rwhitby do you want the list of the broken patch on bellmo ? Aug 28 16:50:25 There's broken patches on Bell? Aug 28 16:51:55 yup Aug 28 16:52:08 Can you PM me the list of what you found so far? Aug 28 16:52:23 Applying patch /opt/src/patches/disable-charging-alert-sound.patch Aug 28 16:52:23 patching file usr/lib/luna/system/luna-systemui/app/controllers/bar-assistant.js Aug 28 16:52:23 Hunk #1 FAILED at 1264. Aug 28 16:52:23 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- rejects in file usr/lib/luna/system/luna-systemui/app/controllers/bar-assistant.js Aug 28 16:52:28 ho sorry Aug 28 16:52:56 lol Aug 28 16:53:45 w8 i will uninstall all the patches and do all of them Aug 28 16:55:42 anyone have any ideas where the email/ilst-assistan.js pulls it's icons from? Aug 28 16:57:21 I want my phone so bad Aug 28 16:57:24 Soon I'll have it Aug 28 17:21:14 RainMan: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Disable_Charging_Event_Alerts_Sounds Aug 28 17:21:26 the patch may be for some older webos version Aug 28 17:23:46 bellmo 1.1.0 doesn't have different javascript than sprint 1.1.0 Aug 28 17:24:09 how can i use sed to remove comments starting with // ? Aug 28 17:24:21 i tried sed '/^\/\/*/d Aug 28 17:24:22 using backslashes Aug 28 17:24:25 ' and it didn't work Aug 28 17:24:27 oh :( Aug 28 17:24:41 yeah Aug 28 17:24:45 i THOUGHT it worked Aug 28 17:25:28 grep -v '^//' Aug 28 17:26:38 wait, sed accepts other delimiters right. sed s,a,b, is the same as sed s/a/b/ Aug 28 17:26:59 So just use a different delimiter as the character and then, it will treat / as a letter inline Aug 28 17:27:55 Try fooling around that way let us know how you make out Aug 28 17:28:17 sed '/^\/\//d' Aug 28 17:29:01 i found out it removed the first line of comments if there's 1 or more comment Aug 28 17:29:11 destinal: let me try your way Aug 28 17:32:26 hmmm, same thing, and it's not the 1st line.. it's the middle line of the 3-line block i have Aug 28 17:32:34 Also try commas... like sed ',^\/,*,d or similar ? Aug 28 17:33:22 I'm thinking if, you use commas as delimiter, then it should be able to parse for the slash as an inine character Aug 28 17:33:52 but I'm not sure if that should be without backslash or not. like sed ',^/,*,d Aug 28 17:34:28 i'll try both, i'm still confused on why it's doing the middle line of a 3-comment block Aug 28 18:04:39 I hope the teathering app we have works on the Bell phones Aug 28 18:06:06 if it doesn't, it's a quick edit Aug 28 18:06:12 mytether should work on any pre no matter what service provider you have Aug 28 18:13:21 my backups keep turning themselves on... is that typical? Aug 28 18:17:44 Yea Aug 28 18:17:53 Well I get free teathering with my Bell line Aug 28 18:17:54 Unlimited Aug 28 18:18:02 pp I'd really rather it didn't do that while I was awake and the device is unplugged Aug 28 18:18:39 wich one take less energy .. EvDO or wifi ? Aug 28 18:18:50 (speed is not important) Aug 28 18:18:52 wifi is 1mw, so wifi Aug 28 18:18:55 wifi Aug 28 18:19:00 TheBat that's interesting, because the posted terms of service for the pre say no tethering on Bell's web page. Aug 28 18:19:00 thx Aug 28 18:19:21 you're not supposed to tether, doesn't mean it doesn't work Aug 28 18:20:00 they can maybe know you have the tether prog installed and running Aug 28 18:20:10 but they cant know if it'S on or off Aug 28 18:20:35 lagaly speaking you have the right to have the app .. but not tu "use" it Aug 28 18:20:57 Rick_work on wich page they talk about tethering ? Aug 28 18:20:58 legally speaking they can dump you under their terms and conditions either way Aug 28 18:21:39 know i need an app to know my montly usage (gig on evdo only) Aug 28 18:21:48 probably you mean technically. Legally and logical have nothing to do with eachother... lawyers can make anything work if they're good at arguing Aug 28 18:24:04 Well as a bell employee I get special perks ;) Aug 28 18:25:08 TheBat http://www.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/my-tether Aug 28 18:25:13 Yea Aug 28 18:25:13 on wich page they talk about tethering .. i dont find that =o( Aug 28 18:25:14 i saw that Aug 28 18:26:08 Just hope it works on a bell Pre Aug 28 18:26:16 gimme Aug 28 18:26:19 2 min Aug 28 18:26:28 i test it ;) the portable is on Aug 28 18:30:40 Sweeeeeet Aug 28 18:30:50 Just so you know, Bell can track teathered data usage Aug 28 18:31:59 TheBat how? Aug 28 18:32:10 they're all coming through with the ip of the pre.... Aug 28 18:32:22 is Bell doing deep-packet-sniffing? Aug 28 18:32:42 The same way they can track your Blackberry teathered usage Aug 28 18:33:01 my pre is offline after installing package managing service and preware. pm me please Aug 28 18:33:16 like i can't make calls Aug 28 18:33:33 give a minute Aug 28 18:33:38 or tow Aug 28 18:33:41 *two Aug 28 18:33:57 yeah i did, and tried restarting it. nothing still "offline" Aug 28 18:34:11 i dont think you should of restarted it Aug 28 18:34:23 it was all part of the installation process Aug 28 18:34:32 well i waited about 5 mins while trying the virtual keyboard Aug 28 18:34:48 like 5 mins after everything was done Aug 28 18:35:16 any ideas? Aug 28 18:35:26 is it still plugged into your computer? Aug 28 18:35:30 yeah Aug 28 18:36:03 try unplugging it Aug 28 18:36:23 k, i will in 9 mins. i'm backing all my pictures and stuff up incase i have to use osdoctor Aug 28 18:36:28 I unplugged mine, then waited like 2 minutes Aug 28 18:36:36 Derik123derik123 GOOD IDEA !!!! Aug 28 18:36:50 Derik123derik123 try a full power down WHEN NOT CONNECTED TO THE COMPUTER. Aug 28 18:37:00 (ifnessesary do a battery pull) Aug 28 18:37:00 alright thanks Aug 28 18:37:23 so... unplug from computer turn off, turn back on? Aug 28 18:37:29 Cam't wait to fux around with my pre Aug 28 18:38:14 right? Aug 28 18:38:16 no, just unplugg and wait a minute or two Aug 28 18:38:25 oh, alright Aug 28 18:38:57 well i will in 6 mins after it's done backing up Aug 28 18:39:17 Derik123derik123 and if that doesn't work, then try a full power cycle. Aug 28 18:39:29 how do you do a full power cycle? Aug 28 18:39:33 do all that before trying the doctor, because the doctor eats a half hour Aug 28 18:39:35 take off batery Aug 28 18:39:43 hold the power button down until the pre shuts off Aug 28 18:39:48 kk Aug 28 18:39:49 thanks Aug 28 18:39:51 take out battery Aug 28 18:39:51 yeah,doctor should be last resource Aug 28 18:39:54 reverse Aug 28 18:39:57 for the help guys Aug 28 18:42:52 TheBat i'm unlimited Aug 28 18:43:11 but tethering on bellmo is working Aug 28 18:43:16 2Mbit/sec ;) Aug 28 18:43:23 speedtest.net Aug 28 18:43:24 lol Aug 28 18:44:52 Are you an employee too? Aug 28 18:45:08 no Aug 28 18:45:31 Please note that your unlimited browser plan doesn't work for teathering and Bell will charge you for it Aug 28 18:45:38 I've seen it before Aug 28 18:46:38 how they can know it's "tethered" usage ? Aug 28 18:46:39 ;) Aug 28 18:47:18 Data123 won't tell me Aug 28 18:47:20 But they know Aug 28 18:47:34 what you using to tether? Aug 28 18:47:40 When I get my employee bill it seperates teathered data from my blackberry data Aug 28 18:47:47 or my windows mobile data Aug 28 18:47:53 I use loads of phones Aug 28 18:48:14 If you are using the tethering app you are safe Aug 28 18:48:29 TheBat but my plan is not "unlimited browsing" it'S more like "unlimite internet usage" Aug 28 18:48:32 Blackberry, Motorola Q, HTC Touch, Touch Diamond Aug 28 18:48:45 it spoofs it so that it seems you are using the phones browser Aug 28 18:48:47 hey guys Aug 28 18:48:47 You have either the $30 bundle with unlimited data Aug 28 18:49:03 or the $45 one with unlimited data Aug 28 18:49:09 only way they would know is if you are abusing it, - downloading movies, music- Aug 28 18:49:20 if you say so. Aug 28 18:49:30 yup Aug 28 18:49:32 first one Aug 28 18:49:39 sprint doesnt allow tethering with the pre, though, you can if you get a tether plan or something. but if you tether and not do stuff that will make it look like you are tethering, you're fine Aug 28 18:50:15 hey rick, all i had to do was turn airplan mode on then off Aug 28 18:50:49 hehehehehe Aug 28 18:50:54 wellthere you are. Aug 28 18:51:09 yup thanks for your help though. Aug 28 18:51:15 I hope you got the $7 warrenty with your pre Aug 28 18:51:27 sprint doesnt have a tether plan for the pre yet Aug 28 18:51:28 i did! but isn't there a 100$ deductable? Aug 28 18:51:42 TheBat 2 years full coverage Aug 28 18:51:42 but I have been tethering for weeks and im fine Aug 28 18:51:53 What province do you live in? Aug 28 18:51:58 Qc Aug 28 18:51:59 gtg thanks again Aug 28 18:52:01 Hmm Aug 28 18:52:06 @derik, cool glad you got it fixed Aug 28 18:52:07 Maybe the warrenty isn't available there Aug 28 18:52:13 We have one that's $7 a month Aug 28 18:52:24 you'Re speaking of the 7$ a month ? Aug 28 18:52:35 Yea. Covers theft, loss, water damage Aug 28 18:52:42 ect Aug 28 18:52:53 loss ? Aug 28 18:53:01 damn if you drop your cell on the floor Aug 28 18:53:02 yeah Aug 28 18:53:04 Yea. You lose it and you pay $150 for a new one Aug 28 18:53:05 just say you have loss it Aug 28 18:53:12 sprint - $100 Aug 28 18:53:13 and DONT forget to pull out the battery lol Aug 28 18:53:36 They put your old one on the negative file Aug 28 18:53:50 And if you try to remove it they charge you the full price for the phone Aug 28 18:53:58 yeah, so noone can activate it Aug 28 18:55:13 ouch Aug 28 18:56:50 TheBat but for tethering etc extra charge ... in othert term all data on port 80 is "free" and all other thing is like "data" i'm corect ? Aug 28 18:57:06 since they can separate the bills Aug 28 18:57:09 To be honest I'm not sure Aug 28 18:57:21 Data123 won't tell me anything about how teathering is captured Aug 28 18:58:30 imo it'S on the server side (since it'S ppp) Aug 28 18:58:49 possibly Aug 28 18:58:55 anyway I'm off to work Aug 28 18:59:00 see ya Aug 28 18:59:27 but we need to have a "secured" tethering app ... Aug 28 18:59:41 i dont like the "open" network Aug 28 19:00:18 donate to the tether app dev Aug 28 19:00:24 ;) Aug 28 19:02:27 i'm sure it'S in the todo ;) Aug 28 19:07:09 the wiki doesn't seem to contain info on multi-language fonts? no hebrew? no arabic? Aug 28 19:07:21 pp seems to be just ttf, ... Aug 28 19:07:52 the pre doesnt support those fonts Aug 28 19:09:17 jettero: I think palm is only bothering to localize to areas they're selling phones in Aug 28 19:09:39 yeah and so far US and canada Aug 28 19:10:18 it doesn't mean that you can't start a megapatch for new languages and fonts Aug 28 19:10:52 but don't expect palm to Aug 28 19:12:28 woo, hebrew. (doesnt actually write much in hewbrew anymore...) Aug 28 19:15:57 destinal: i would assume the onscreen keyboard could be made multilingual "fairly" easily, if only for inputing text in another language Aug 28 19:16:34 i'm the only one with and weird virtual keybord ? Aug 28 19:16:37 gkatsev: yes, the biggest problem as I see it would be forms of writing that enter text right to left Aug 28 19:16:51 an Aug 28 19:17:08 RainMan: weird? how? Aug 28 19:17:23 can we do screen shot of the pre ? Aug 28 19:17:38 RainMan: yes, orange-sym-p, i believe Aug 28 19:17:57 or is it shift-sym-p? Aug 28 19:18:00 something like that Aug 28 19:18:04 kk w8 Aug 28 19:18:14 should be on precentral or the wiki somewhere Aug 28 19:20:43 look at your dcc Aug 28 19:24:04 RainMan: that is weird. looks like for some reason the space bar isnt spread over the 4 "buttons" as it should but only takes up 1 Aug 28 19:24:24 yup exactly that Aug 28 19:24:36 the 3 "gray" key at the right works Aug 28 19:24:40 . , + sym Aug 28 19:24:45 cant help you. and egaudet_away is away for the weekend Aug 28 19:25:06 destinal: ^ ? Aug 28 19:25:09 kk this night i will try to uninstall it ! and redo the instalation Aug 28 19:25:21 RainMan: how did you install it? Aug 28 19:25:23 gotta go to work for now Aug 28 19:25:28 preware Aug 28 19:25:58 no idea, could be due to the en_CA localizations Aug 28 19:26:08 We got a new wireless router at the house from our ISP they upgraded the network. I setup this new router for wifi just like the old one was setup but I get connection refused when attempting to access my pre from my pc using putty or winSCP any ideas what I need to do to remedy that? Aug 28 19:26:49 StoneRyno: -P 222 ? Aug 28 19:27:17 yup putty and winSCP settings haven't changed and that is the port number in the settings Aug 28 19:27:59 StoneRyno delete "forget" the connection on the Pre, then have pre re-Join the wifi network Aug 28 19:28:25 ok will give that a go Aug 28 19:28:27 Or use a different wireless ssID name on the router, have Pre join it which does the same trick Aug 28 19:28:53 If the latter, you'll have to rejoin using the laptop too since the ssID has changed Aug 28 19:29:42 StoneRyno: ok; good luck. I've been there. Aug 28 19:30:13 StoneRyno: also, make sure you are trying to ssh to the right IP. :D Aug 28 19:30:37 yep i got the right ip Aug 28 19:31:25 ok so I'm able to get in now but then i get software caused connection abort trying to change folders in winscp and it asks to reconnect and i get connection refused again Aug 28 19:31:46 StoneRyno: can you ssh it fine? Aug 28 19:32:36 that's the way it is connecting over wifi right? Aug 28 19:33:01 StoneRyno: also, is your pre plugged into the wall/on the touchstone? Aug 28 19:33:23 yea i keep it on the touchstone Aug 28 19:34:15 StoneRyno: dropbear or openssh? Aug 28 19:34:47 whatever the webos-internals site setup when using the script Aug 28 19:35:05 ok, hm... Aug 28 19:35:12 thats dropbear, fyi Aug 28 19:37:35 both might be setup..... I followed the instruction on http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Next_steps and http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Setup_SFTP Aug 28 19:37:48 one says dropbear the other openssh Aug 28 19:37:57 so i have no idea which one is in use Aug 28 19:39:39 it seems to be hit and miss so maybe it is just getting used to being connected by different hardware Aug 28 19:39:40 well, dropbear doesnt support sftp, so, you'll need openssl-sftp for sftp, but optware-bootstrap install dropbear by default. Aug 28 19:40:10 ah then winscp must be using openssh Aug 28 19:40:19 StoneRyno: try "ipkg-opt install -reinstall dropbear" Aug 28 19:40:27 actually, before that Aug 28 19:40:42 StoneRyno: pscp -scp -p 222 user@preip Aug 28 19:41:00 type that in putty? Aug 28 19:41:36 no, pscp is putty scp. Aug 28 19:41:48 StoneRyno: try looking at the winSCP settings to only use scp Aug 28 19:44:08 will give that a go..... all this just to see if i can find where the pre stores memo data Aug 28 19:44:46 well eventually will have to figure out the error anyways since i do other stuff in linux on the pre Aug 28 19:46:43 allow scp fallback is checked is that what you were refering to? Aug 28 19:47:19 StoneRyno: there should be a setting for only allowing scp and never to use ftp Aug 28 19:47:45 ah that is probably in the drop down box Aug 28 19:47:57 StoneRyno: pscp is putty's scp, and the -scp tag forces it to only use scp. Aug 28 19:48:02 my family is almost home so we are going to be watching a movie Aug 28 19:48:34 I'll report back later if i have issues after setting it to scp only Aug 28 19:48:45 ok Aug 28 19:48:47 gl Aug 28 19:49:34 gotta go ma etre en retard a job Aug 28 19:49:43 grr ;) sorry Aug 28 19:53:58 anyone here familiar with events in c++? Aug 28 19:54:29 HattCzech: what do you mean? Aug 28 19:55:04 i have to write a program where one class responds to an action that another class performs Aug 28 19:56:11 i haven't played with event handling in c++ before, so that's a bit of a challenge... although i've been playing with quite a bit of it with all the JS on the pre :) Aug 28 19:58:13 HattCzech: perhaps ask on #c++ or whatever their channel is? Aug 28 19:58:50 heh, didn't know there was that channel :) excellent Aug 28 19:59:19 well, most languages have a channel on freenode. Aug 28 19:59:27 though, js's channel is on mozilla's irc server Aug 28 19:59:59 Hiya Aug 28 20:01:23 rwhitby we have a member from Precentral having issues with the GNU patch. He said its installed but he cannot install the keyboard patch Aug 28 20:02:29 thats not an issue with GNU patch Aug 28 20:02:55 Thats what I told him Aug 28 20:03:18 This is the first case I have heard of this Aug 28 20:03:31 they will be coming in like flood gates Aug 28 20:03:40 i told him what was most likely wrong Aug 28 20:03:54 this is a prime case why "aunt minnie" shouldnt use patches Aug 28 20:04:01 haha yeah Aug 28 20:04:15 aunt minnie wants teh osk Aug 28 20:04:19 Hey is Oil the phone who makes Xbox Live friends? Aug 28 20:04:25 the guy i mean lol Aug 28 20:04:29 yeah, im that phone Aug 28 20:04:35 haha oil Aug 28 20:04:40 Any updates coming? Aug 28 20:04:57 i havent touched it since i fixed that 1.1 but and released 0.5.1 Aug 28 20:05:02 bug* Aug 28 20:05:06 Yeah I got that one Aug 28 20:05:27 I was thinking maybe adding like full avatars to the program Aug 28 20:05:34 Could that be done? Aug 28 20:05:39 would look pretty ugly Aug 28 20:05:48 I saw one on android Aug 28 20:05:59 yeah, i saw one on the iphone Aug 28 20:06:03 They just released a xbox live app and it looks really good Aug 28 20:06:08 whoop-de-do Aug 28 20:06:20 I'm just a big XBL user, and the program is really good Aug 28 20:06:30 Yours that is, I just want some more features Aug 28 20:08:01 * oil goes back to work Aug 28 20:08:08 hi there splmonster Aug 28 20:09:08 oil: I wish I had a phone that could write decent phone apps Aug 28 20:09:39 * oil is a phone that writes ok phone apps Aug 28 20:10:02 ok, now im really leaving Aug 28 20:10:28 can anyone help me out with debugging my On screen keyboard? Aug 28 20:10:42 I posted on precentral that i was having issues with installing it Aug 28 20:11:05 This is the right place to be, can you take a screen capture of the error? Just upload it to photobucket and link us here Aug 28 20:12:02 of the error on preware or on webos quickinstall? Aug 28 20:15:06 preware and quick install Aug 28 20:18:23 Here's the error on preware http://img207.imageshack.us/i/preware20092808161322.jpg/ Aug 28 20:19:18 here it is on Webos quick install : http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/8130/erroritq.jpg Aug 28 20:19:23 I rule, I got Preware and the Keyboard mentioned on the live Podcast. Aug 28 20:19:47 (for Engadget) Aug 28 20:22:59 error 1... hmmm Aug 28 20:23:05 rwhitby any ideas? Aug 28 20:23:52 Try installing through Preware, then when it fails stay in the file for it and up at the top left corner hit ipkg log and screen capture that Aug 28 20:25:41 I can do that Aug 28 20:25:49 but it looks like there's a WHOOOOLE lot of text there Aug 28 20:26:05 it starts with Confirm/Unlock/Prerm(No Output)/Lock Aug 28 20:26:15 and after Lock theres like a few pages of text Aug 28 20:26:27 basically Hunk #1-6 failed Aug 28 20:26:45 Hunk #7 succeeded at 4938 with fuzz 1 (offset 5 lines) Aug 28 20:27:00 Hunk #8-14 failed Aug 28 20:27:12 and it goes on sayinghunks were ignored etc. Aug 28 20:27:30 Romanmb: did you ever have other patches installed? sounds like a conflict Aug 28 20:27:51 I have installed quily Aug 28 20:27:53 quilt* Aug 28 20:28:29 and some other patch with quilt? Aug 28 20:28:31 but it never worked for me, so I just did some scripts from PreCentral Aug 28 20:29:00 instead of patching Aug 28 20:29:09 what scripts? Aug 28 20:29:24 something that had you modify those files? Aug 28 20:29:27 basically patching them by hand? Aug 28 20:29:53 I ran (Enable add/remove pages) / Email App rotation / Call Duration / Roam only Aug 28 20:29:57 Uninstall quilt buddy Aug 28 20:30:14 Honestly i'm thinking thats the issue Aug 28 20:30:21 But I could be a moron and be wrong Aug 28 20:30:23 Romanmb: ok, that's the problem, you have other patches installed Aug 28 20:30:27 even if you did them by hand Aug 28 20:30:33 I need to remove them? Aug 28 20:30:36 Yes Aug 28 20:30:54 that's such a PITA lol, i think im gonna do WebOS doctor and start from scratch Aug 28 20:31:06 most of the stuff I want to run is available through Quick Install right now Aug 28 20:31:12 I just wanted them on there sooner so I ran them by hand Aug 28 20:31:53 will all my pics be restored after WebOS doctor Aug 28 20:35:19 lol quilt is not an issue Aug 28 20:35:22 quilt uses patch Aug 28 20:36:18 Yes, but some patches can make others not work, we had a long discussion on this last night Aug 28 21:16:26 I was directed here via this thread here: http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/200495-error-trying-install-screen-keyboard.html Aug 28 21:16:37 I am having the same problem as splmonster. My keyboard fails when trying to install with pregame and also webos quick install and via command line. Aug 28 21:22:29 soccall57: have you tried removing the Preware Patch Utility / GNU Patch Utility through Preware? Aug 28 21:23:43 Remove them? I thought they were required. Aug 28 21:24:03 I get an error when I try to remove the GNU. Aug 28 21:24:22 I was told that in an early release of them, there were issues with getting them to execute. I was having the same problem with the keyboard, removed & reinstalled them, & i was able to get it working through Preware Aug 28 21:26:33 Did you ever apply the patch through quilt Aug 28 21:27:08 I tried before, but it was unsuccesful Aug 28 21:27:33 have you used quilt pop -f "patch name" to remove? Just so that there's no trace of it? Aug 28 21:27:55 I ended up completely replacing the files from the WebOS Doctor just to be sure they were fresh Aug 28 21:28:48 What if I cant remember the name of the patch? Aug 28 21:29:40 hi Aug 28 21:30:26 follow the beginning part of the patch tutorial to get the list of them Aug 28 21:30:56 hmm ikyo, others getting the same sound from one contact for any sms message with the new patches Aug 28 21:30:57 i think it's something like /opt/var/src/frameworks/add-onscreen-keyboard.patch but i'm not qoo% Aug 28 21:31:26 * others, Aug 28 21:34:07 ok I have removed all my patches Aug 28 21:34:19 with the "-f"? Aug 28 21:34:20 now what way is probably the easiest to install? Aug 28 21:34:32 The easiest, if we can get it working, is through Preware Aug 28 21:34:48 i actualled used f first but then it removed my browser download patch for some reason, i used -a -f to get rid of all forcefully Aug 28 21:35:12 okay. & was the keyboard patch there? Aug 28 21:35:18 yes Aug 28 21:35:44 okay. Might as well just try this first: What happens if you open Preware & attempt to install Virtual Keyboard? Aug 28 21:35:47 preware actually states that the patch is already installed. Aug 28 21:36:05 test Aug 28 21:37:19 ahahaha i just tried it from webos quick install, gui is rebooting :) Aug 28 21:37:23 remove it & restart preware. Did you try to install it through there at all? When i tried to get it installed, it would say failed & still register as if it was installed Aug 28 21:39:09 it worked from webos quick install after i removed the patch Aug 28 21:39:22 lol, sweet =] Aug 28 21:39:29 glad you got it working Aug 28 21:40:53 Thanks a lot for the help Aug 28 21:58:02 why does the dropbear ssh start on 222 instead of 22? Aug 28 21:58:29 to throw the hackers off Aug 28 21:58:59 use of standard services on non standard ports is a security protection Aug 28 21:59:12 nonsense, they portscan anyway Aug 28 21:59:24 better to just allow the ssh from only known IPs Aug 28 21:59:47 with the new contact tones patches I get the same sound from one contact for all SMS messages, I'm assuming if I deleted that ringtone for that contact I would get none, anyone else have the same problem? Aug 28 22:01:07 i am not saying do not do that, but when people scan for say 21, 22, 23, 25, 80, 443, etc they will miss 222. Unless u are slow scanning, most people do not scan for every port, it is very noise Aug 28 22:01:23 noisy* Aug 28 22:01:34 222 is a standard port for the pre now... I just don't think it really gives you anything Aug 28 22:01:49 the dictionary attackers may miss it, but the ones that can get in in other ways will find it Aug 28 22:01:56 I imagined 22 was used by palm or something Aug 28 22:02:44 my assumption was wrong Aug 28 22:04:13 again i am not saying that by switching to 222 instead of 22 that all security should be ignored, it will get the ones who are blanket scanning for certain services. I highly doubt the Pre is on most targets.. Aug 28 22:04:42 whatever. I only allow ssh from usb0 anyway, I'm ok to put it back on 22 Aug 28 22:04:48 hehe ok Aug 28 22:04:57 I just didn't wanna fuck up updates or something Aug 28 22:05:21 got ya Aug 28 22:06:33 and I don't think it gives you any *security* but you will get a system load from dictionary attackers if you don't -j DROP that traffic Aug 28 22:07:16 by ur arguement they will find it anyway =p. But i agree on the the dropping Aug 28 22:08:46 the ones running the dictionaries don't find it on 222, I agree with that. The ones that actually break in will find it, but ignore it and break in through cupsd or apache0.97 Aug 28 22:09:30 anyone know how to use 'this' in a string.sort call? Aug 28 22:10:47 tharris-: also, ur is you are, your is your Aug 28 22:12:15 morning Aug 28 22:12:19 morning Aug 28 22:12:55 rwhitby: I'm told you know or found the backdoor in filecoaster? Aug 28 22:12:59 I find that a bit alarming... Aug 28 22:13:04 if you could explain? Aug 28 22:13:16 jettero: there is no back door in fileCoaster that I am aware of. Aug 28 22:13:59 fileCoaster seems to be as secure as Palm's install service is, but I can't tell for sure cause it's obfuscated code and I don't have the motivation to decompile it. Aug 28 22:14:33 ok. someone told me there was a backdoor and you knew about it... Aug 28 22:14:42 and use preware cuz of that (or cuz it's better) ... Aug 28 22:14:57 jettero: they might have been talking about early versions of MyTether or MyFlashlight Aug 28 22:15:08 :) Aug 28 22:15:13 there is no security reason to use Preware over fileCoaster. Aug 28 22:15:13 is there a problem with mythether? Aug 28 22:15:22 (there are many other reasons, but no security reason ;-) Aug 28 22:15:35 I prefer to use scp and ipkg -o /var ... I'm an oldfasion linux nerd though Aug 28 22:15:37 jettero: 1.5 or later is fine Aug 28 22:15:46 I have the 2.x version Aug 28 22:15:56 jettero: sure, just remember to run your postinsts and prerms and you'll be fine Aug 28 22:16:01 I'm not really using it though. Seems rude to sprint. I like having the option for emergencies at work Aug 28 22:16:21 ipkg doesn't run postinsts? Aug 28 22:16:41 it seems to support that internally... is this something extra? Aug 28 22:16:42 not when you use the -o flag, which we need to access Palm's installable packages ipkg database Aug 28 22:16:53 oic Aug 28 22:17:10 so WebOS Quick Install and Preware just run them manually after installation or before removal. Aug 28 22:17:13 is there a preferred way to run the postinsts when you're doing it by hand? Aug 28 22:17:26 yep, take a look at the Terminal wiki page Aug 28 22:17:37 awesome thanks Aug 28 22:17:42 np Aug 28 22:19:20 oh, that's easy enough... added to my bashrc Aug 28 22:19:25 having linux in my pocket is fun Aug 28 22:19:33 it is very nice Aug 28 22:20:15 I have learned my way around castle a little... now I need to learn some actual mojo Aug 28 22:20:29 wiki has some nice tutorials Aug 28 22:20:50 jettero: I was in the same boat. before webos-internals I had not written a single line of javascript or java. Aug 28 22:21:06 (have still written very few comparatively) Aug 28 22:21:10 I know javascript and jquery and various other web-y things Aug 28 22:21:22 but I have a very passionate hate of java which I'm going to have to overcome to do some things I want to do Aug 28 22:21:32 yeah only javascript i wrote was for injection attacks =p nice to start learning it for a reason Aug 28 22:21:44 anyone know where the memo data is stored? Aug 28 22:21:54 database? Aug 28 22:22:04 oh eff, I have to go or I'll get murdered by wife (or divorced) ... thanks for your help guys Aug 28 22:23:43 I'm trying to help someone troubleshoot an issue with the memo app. they transfer over 1,000 memos through a device transfer or synced to the pre and now the memo app launches appearing to have no memos but freezes up any time attempting to add a new memo Aug 28 22:24:04 the idea is to wipe all the memo data only to see if that corrects the issue Aug 28 22:25:18 I'm assuming since it shows no memos the app was overloaded due to the volume of memos transfered to the pre Aug 28 22:27:02 does the app have it's own database? Aug 28 22:28:45 Hi everyone... Aug 28 22:29:44 Has anyone tried active desktop? Aug 28 22:29:50 Splmonster: thanks for going back into the forums and helping others. Aug 28 22:30:26 Yeah not a problem man, always here to help if thats okay Aug 28 22:30:43 it's more than ok, it's very much appreciated. Aug 28 22:31:16 Well your welcome, I want to learn more about this and the Pre, and i'm willing to help others so we can build a big community Aug 28 22:31:38 Splmonster: what was your impression of the initial response to Preware and VirtualKeyboard? Very few installation problems? Too many installation problems? Doco not good enough? People just don't read? Aug 28 22:31:41 oh shit I didn't go outside yet, but it's 116F outside Aug 28 22:32:01 Honestly just the one error 4, so installation was better then most Aug 28 22:32:11 So I would say very few problems Aug 28 22:32:18 Well one to be exact Aug 28 22:32:40 Did the error logging we put in 0.7.7 help debug it? Aug 28 22:32:48 Yes it did Aug 28 22:33:25 Honestly by far this is the best program on the Pre to date Aug 28 22:33:44 Other then QuickQueue just i'm a Netflix fanatic Aug 28 22:34:14 is there a way to get a shell in the device without developer mode Aug 28 22:36:36 edektor: Terminal, installed with Preware, installed with WebOS Quick Install. Aug 28 22:37:02 oh, you need developer mode for the initial WebOS Quick Install to install Preware, but not after that. Aug 28 22:37:18 yeah thats the problem Aug 28 22:37:48 So I had the tethering app going Aug 28 22:37:52 Why is that a problem? Aug 28 22:38:12 but I forgot to turn that app off before I restores it with webos doctor Aug 28 22:38:36 Why did you need to restore it? Aug 28 22:38:44 no I cant access the EVDO network now that I have restored it Aug 28 22:39:13 I just wanted a fresh install Aug 28 22:39:25 Best answer I can give is go into dev mode and get into quick install and see if the my tether app or service is still in the memory Aug 28 22:39:29 edektor: being unable to talk the network after doctor is a common problem. the solution is to call sprint apparently. Aug 28 22:39:37 Try deleting that.. if its there Aug 28 22:39:59 I actually do Sprint technical support... Have you tried ##3836#? Aug 28 22:39:59 Splmonster: how am I supposed to get into dev mode? Aug 28 22:40:28 The konami code in the univeral search Aug 28 22:40:41 Splmonster: I cant get there because I have to be on a connection to initially setup the phone Aug 28 22:40:57 with my palm-profile and everything Aug 28 22:41:21 Do you have 1x/ Aug 28 22:41:22 ? Aug 28 22:41:39 no I cant talk to any network Aug 28 22:41:46 all I have is bars Aug 28 22:42:02 Can you connect to a wifi? Aug 28 22:42:36 He won't be able to even try wifi until he gets past the initial setup Aug 28 22:42:39 no.. I am stuck where I have to intially setup the phone with my profile.. Aug 28 22:42:46 I take it the sync won Aug 28 22:42:52 I take it the sync won't timeout & continue? Aug 28 22:43:12 no I dont have access to my EVDO network Aug 28 22:43:17 I thought I remember seeing you can bypass the reg screen Aug 28 22:43:37 Splmonster: how? where? Aug 28 22:43:55 Give me just a sec Aug 28 22:43:57 back in the early iphone days you could type in some numbers on the emergecy dial pad to get around it Aug 28 22:44:04 Try this while i'm looking Aug 28 22:44:29 Turn that thing off, pull the battery for 1min and reset it. Sounds stupid but it has worked in a lot of cases Aug 28 22:44:47 Your basically resetting the cache Aug 28 22:45:05 Is there a special way to reset it? Aug 28 22:45:15 Hold down the button on top and turn it off Aug 28 22:45:23 It should prompt you Aug 28 22:45:59 K i turned it off Aug 28 22:46:13 Open back cover Aug 28 22:46:19 k Aug 28 22:46:21 Pull the battery out and let sit for 1min Aug 28 22:46:24 Ugh. I had to call sprint and get my MSL code and do an ##RTN# reset after running the doctor Aug 28 22:46:51 even after having the battery out for an hour. hopefully that's not your issue Aug 28 22:47:54 One you get it back on and reset it let me know Aug 28 22:49:36 lmorchard: Did you just ask for the MSL Aug 28 22:49:42 Splmonster: didnt work Aug 28 22:49:53 Okay now try hitting your signal bar at the top Aug 28 22:49:55 how do i know the progress of grep? I want to locate a string in all of the file structure so I type: grep -r "string" / and that searches the whole file system for the string right? Aug 28 22:50:09 Yeah, I said I was told I needed to do an RTN reset to get my phone on the network and needed my MSL Aug 28 22:50:26 StoneRyno: No, that searches from standard input Aug 28 22:50:32 k thanks Aug 28 22:50:32 It'll do that forever Aug 28 22:50:41 doh Aug 28 22:50:44 Splmonster: nothing still Aug 28 22:51:02 Problem is, if you actually grep through the whole filesystem with find, your phone will probably reset itself Aug 28 22:51:06 so how do I search the whole file system for a string? Aug 28 22:51:16 Not sure what the issue is, but something in /dev probably doesn't like being grepped, I'd guess Aug 28 22:51:27 oh Aug 28 22:51:49 lmorchard: ++ Aug 28 22:51:51 Okay call sprint and have them give the MSL and do a reset Aug 28 22:51:58 I'm trying to locate where the memo data is stored i figured using a string i know is in a memo would locate where the data is Aug 28 22:52:04 After that you should be golden Aug 28 22:52:10 So, pick a subdir, like: find /var/usr/palm/applications -type f -exec grep -Hni 'SOME SEARCH STRING' {} \; Aug 28 22:52:10 StoneRyno: prob in a db Aug 28 22:52:31 k will do Aug 28 22:52:38 i figured that much just not sure which one Aug 28 22:52:51 find / -type f -name '*.db' Aug 28 22:53:00 That will show interesting things without grepping Aug 28 22:53:34 wouldnt the MSL have to be stored on the device? Aug 28 22:53:45 edektor: It is, but not where you can access it easily Aug 28 22:54:00 it's kind of a master password to the device, unique to each device Aug 28 22:54:21 sprint has it on record, and you can lift it out of the device with certain tools, but those all sounded like a pain to me Aug 28 22:54:23 k thanks Aug 28 22:54:29 thanks much I'll check out the search results from that commaned Aug 28 22:57:09 I added the results to pastebin Aug 28 22:57:26 any of those would contain the memos? Aug 28 22:58:22 nothing stands out to me as one that would Aug 28 23:02:48 http://webos.pastebin.com/df81cfaf I assume this is the link to view the stuff i pasted? Aug 28 23:07:22 nice - they keyboard already has about 5 user-contributed themes already. Aug 28 23:11:59 we need to get prethemer.com thinking about keyboard themes too Aug 28 23:12:16 if anyone sees AnOutsider, plant that seed please. Aug 28 23:12:25 I think i found the file using find /var -type f -exec grep -Hni 'SOME SEARCH STRING' {} \; Aug 28 23:13:44 is it possible to edit a db3 file? Aug 28 23:14:14 yeah just sqlite3 name.db3 Aug 28 23:15:00 cool beans cause the file that contains the string from one of my memos is /var/luna/data/dbdata/PalmDatabase.db3 Aug 28 23:16:31 Nice!! Thanks lmorchard looks like the MSL reset worked Aug 28 23:19:17 wow that database has like everything in it Aug 28 23:19:31 so whats the best method to go about rooting these days? Aug 28 23:20:39 now the important thing is how do i view and edit a specific table in the database using sqlite3? Aug 28 23:21:24 I dont know specifics on sqlite3 querys.. Id try google Aug 28 23:25:02 edektor there _IS_ no rooting these days. Aug 28 23:25:08 Go visit the wiki.... Aug 28 23:25:21 if you want linux command line access, just use novaterm. Aug 28 23:25:36 even for SFTP access and what not? Aug 28 23:25:40 roooting is SO LAST MONTH.... Aug 28 23:26:06 edektor for that stuff, again, visit the wiki. It's down to one-line of command using novaterm to install all that. Aug 28 23:26:16 see the accessing linux pages on the wiki. Aug 28 23:26:28 k will do thanks Aug 28 23:27:09 Rick_work: well, 99% of the patches still need linux access .... Aug 28 23:27:37 rwhitby: why is that? Aug 28 23:28:00 as does lots of other important investigative and experimental work that folks in this -internals channel will want to be doing ... Aug 28 23:28:45 edektor: to use quilt to manage them, until we come up with the next generation patch management system. Aug 28 23:29:07 the keyboard doesnt use quilt? Aug 28 23:29:31 nope Aug 28 23:29:35 i just saw halloween 2 Aug 28 23:29:43 is the community working on a single on device app that can install all homebrew apps and patches? it seems like there have been several things to pop up over the last month Aug 28 23:29:44 what does it use? Aug 28 23:29:57 StoneRyno: Preware can install all apps and 1 patch. Aug 28 23:30:05 the most messed up thing ive ever watched. Aug 28 23:30:28 edektor: keyboard uses the same patch tool that quilt uses under the hood Aug 28 23:30:36 so is that going to be the single source for all in the near future? Aug 28 23:30:38 How would one create a patch that is preware compatible? Aug 28 23:32:33 very carefully, at the moment :-) Aug 28 23:33:04 rwhitby yes, but Linux Access != rooting. Aug 28 23:33:06 the scripts and files are all public, but there is no doco. Aug 28 23:33:40 is the community rallying around preware instead of several different groups trying to do their own homebrew app catalog? Aug 28 23:34:19 StoneRyno: that's what I'm working towards - you guys can judge the success or not of that effort. Aug 28 23:36:24 that would be great because the homebrew / patching / theme screen really needs to be unified in one place / app to install all Aug 28 23:37:09 if everyone contributes to preware then it will be everything the community wants in one package Aug 28 23:37:57 i know there is the webos quick install for the pc and filecoaster on the pre and then preware Aug 28 23:38:28 i've not installed any homebrew apps just patching stuff Aug 28 23:38:28 StoneRyno: we're talking with prethemer.com about packaging themes so that Preware can install them, as well has having a dedicated theming application that lets you preview themes on the device. Aug 28 23:39:08 I wanted to make a way to create themes until i seen all the stuff involved in theming Aug 28 23:39:31 StoneRyno: I see webos quick install for the host-based installs and preware for the on-device installs and filecoaster for file downloading. each app doing one thing well. Aug 28 23:40:02 and all using a common interchange format in ipkg files. that's the important bit, the ipkg format and the feed format. Aug 28 23:42:09 i see so the goal then to have preware be the homebrew app / patch / theme catalog, filecoaster be the file downloader for mp3s etc and webos quick install to do the stuff those two can't do? Aug 28 23:44:22 yo homies Aug 28 23:44:35 lol Aug 28 23:45:23 anyone heard anything about a irc client on the pre? Aug 28 23:48:32 jmack: you can run irssi out of optware from the terminal but there's no mojo gui client yet Aug 28 23:49:45 is there anything I can do to help the community with preware? Aug 28 23:51:41 StoneRyno: the key thing is to help any people in the forums who are having problems following the instructions. Aug 28 23:53:39 sounds like a plan. I'll continue monitoring the forums. I'm looking at the instructions now and preparing to install preware myself since i haven't gotten around to it yet Aug 28 23:57:25 StoneRyno That and continue to DIRECT PEOPLE TO THE WIKI Aug 28 23:57:36 peopleneed to get into the habit of looking there for answers. Aug 28 23:57:50 Since important things do not SCROLL OFF the first page on the wiki Aug 28 23:58:17 yeah, forums are a pretty poor information storage mechanism Aug 28 23:58:19 yep practically every help reply i give i point to it since so many are asking for ways to modify things there are patches for Aug 28 23:58:28 exactly Aug 28 23:58:33 SO the patch portal page. Aug 28 23:58:36 :-) Aug 28 23:58:46 We actually spent time DESIGNING the flow of the wiki Aug 28 23:58:49 plus if there are patches on forums that aren't on the wiki we need to have people add them to the wiki Aug 28 23:58:53 which most wiki makers don't bother with Aug 28 23:59:36 yes the wiki design is very good probable one of the best i have seen Aug 29 00:01:36 Rick_work, Templarian and many others have done a great job on the wiki. Aug 29 00:02:01 * Templarian grins. Aug 29 00:04:02 The other HUGE thing you could do that would help would be to run through the keyboard thread, and find the links to all the themes Aug 29 00:04:11 and then POST THOSE LINKS on the keyboard page Aug 29 00:04:18 in a new "themes" section.... Aug 29 00:04:23 which would be REALLY NICE. Aug 29 00:04:31 can anyone tell me how to remove the keyboard via the command line Aug 29 00:04:54 it would, of course, be asking far too much to ask someone to not only do that, but grab images of the themes as well.... and post THOSE to the wiki. Far too much to ask. Aug 29 00:05:21 scasplte2 why not just uninstall it with preware or quick install????? Aug 29 00:05:21 point me to where you want them and consider it done Aug 29 00:05:33 jmack wait one. Aug 29 00:06:27 jmack -- in http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/On_Screen_Keyboard Aug 29 00:06:35 rick_work there in lies my problem. I installed using the commands from the wiki and now then preware didn't recognize I had it so i installed it there but I started getting problems Aug 29 00:06:36 in the section "additional available themes. Aug 29 00:07:06 scasplte2 -- it's a quit pop command then Aug 29 00:07:17 quilt pop -f I think but someone will correct me in a moment Aug 29 00:07:27 alright thanks Aug 29 00:07:39 I'll stick to helping people out with preware installs and patches and such and getting patches on the wiki for now i think taking on a theme gathering project will require more time than i have Aug 29 00:08:02 jmack the wiki requires registration but that's all. Do you know how to put in external links? Aug 29 00:08:15 i think so, but tell me just in case. i just registered Aug 29 00:08:42 and can the actual zips be uploaded or no? i can host them if need be. Aug 29 00:08:44 * description [link/url/goes/here] Aug 29 00:08:53 no, we need to LINK to the zips. Aug 29 00:09:04 they're all linked on the precentral site, so we just copy the links Aug 29 00:09:16 cool Aug 29 00:09:18 we can not upload the zips to the wiki. Aug 29 00:09:31 use * star space gives you a nice unordered list. Aug 29 00:09:50 if you want to come back and do images. it goes this way: Aug 29 00:10:17 ill do images as i go Aug 29 00:10:22 [[Image:Filename.png]] or [[Image:filename.jpg]] Aug 29 00:10:29 this gives you a RED LINK to the image, Aug 29 00:10:37 do i also link those from the forum? Aug 29 00:10:40 and you can then UPLOAD the image when you click on the red link.... Aug 29 00:10:45 ah Aug 29 00:11:09 if you do [[Image:Filename.jpg|thumb]] it makes a SMALL LINK. Aug 29 00:11:18 don't worry about formatting, we'll come back and refine it later. Aug 29 00:11:23 Just get the bulk work in Aug 29 00:11:28 and we will be forever grateful Aug 29 00:11:41 plus, you will have been hooked on wiki editing... :-) Aug 29 00:11:56 lol Aug 29 00:12:13 six years ago, ka6sox showed up to edit a few wiki pages. Now he runs $20K work of servers for several open source projects including webos-internals.... :-) Aug 29 00:13:20 wow, does he make money from this? Aug 29 00:13:42 nope Aug 29 00:13:51 he just got roped..... Aug 29 00:13:53 thats a lot of money to spend on servers! Aug 29 00:13:58 not really. Aug 29 00:14:13 I'm hitting the forums to keep up on new threads getting a little behind then going out for the night with some friends as soon as they call, catch ya'll later on oh I'm on the precentral forum as StoneRyno if ya'll ever need to get in touch with me Aug 29 00:14:26 thanks StoneRyno Aug 29 00:15:01 virtual keyboard on news.cnet.com: http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10320498-1.html?tag=TOCmoreStories.0 Aug 29 00:15:47 jmack: the $20K worth of servers was bought with donations from the last open source project that I ran: nslu2-linux.org Aug 29 00:16:13 ahh i see...i was about to say, i work in IT at a pretty large company and we're probably barely working with 20k in servers! Aug 29 00:16:31 all the money went back into the project, and it has forward-paid for the hardware for this community (which sits in the same rack as master.kernel.org at osuosl) Aug 29 00:18:53 the good thing is the cnet article shows the keyboard in landscape mode Aug 29 00:21:29 * rwhitby bbl - got to coach little league soccer match this morning Aug 29 00:22:20 Be fair. Aug 29 00:23:19 he's coaching, not ref'ing. He's SUPPOSED to be biased. :-) Aug 29 00:23:25 but reasonable. Aug 29 00:23:28 and grown up Aug 29 00:23:55 they're only 8 year olds, so I also have to be civil and not too harsh :-) Aug 29 00:24:06 I read that too quick, my mind took it as ref'ing. Aug 29 00:24:18 those things too Aug 29 00:24:36 bbl - driving home Aug 29 00:24:36 rwhitby: lol, get that black little and put it on their cheeks then they wills care the other girls. Aug 29 00:24:49 will scare* Aug 29 00:25:23 where did girls come into it? all boys on this team and most of the other teams in the 8yr old league for some reason. Aug 29 00:26:03 * Templarian needs to pay attention when he's reading. Aug 29 00:26:41 Getting ready for a party in a little bit and wasn't sitting down. Aug 29 00:37:25 hello Aug 29 00:37:35 can someone help me with install of preware? Aug 29 00:38:30 step 1: download webos quick install Aug 29 00:39:21 i did that, i have the latest, 2.01 Aug 29 00:39:37 step 2: install package manager and preware Aug 29 00:39:51 im just having a program where it says "# Press the third button on the right # Choose WebOS Internals Feed (all) from the dropdown list at the top. " Aug 29 00:39:56 where the heck is the 3rd button? Aug 29 00:40:10 there is a + button Aug 29 00:40:13 im tryin to install package manager with webos 2.01 Aug 29 00:40:13 then a - button Aug 29 00:40:16 then the 3rd button Aug 29 00:40:32 ok but 3rd button is just to connect the phone right? Aug 29 00:40:42 the 3rd button brings up the feed lists Aug 29 00:41:16 choose what from the feed list Aug 29 00:42:37 in the top dropdown of the repository viewer Aug 29 00:42:48 select webos-internals feed (all) Aug 29 00:42:59 then place a check in the box next to the package manager, and preware Aug 29 00:43:02 then click download Aug 29 00:43:38 oooooooooooooooooooooooooh Aug 29 00:43:40 ok Aug 29 00:43:57 then close that Aug 29 00:43:57 thats what lost me, it default to the precentral gallery, didnt see where to do that Aug 29 00:44:01 thanks for the quick help Aug 29 00:44:02 yeah Aug 29 00:44:03 np Aug 29 00:46:49 ok last question Aug 29 00:47:00 2 icons on my phone, preware and package manager. Aug 29 00:47:19 to run this, all i need to do is click the preware icon? or do i need to hit package manager and configure something first? Aug 29 00:47:41 no Aug 29 00:47:49 the package manager icon really shouldnt show up Aug 29 00:47:53 clicking it wont do anything Aug 29 00:48:01 just move it to the bottom of the last launcher page and forget about it Aug 29 00:48:04 lol oh ok well did i do something wrong? Aug 29 00:48:07 no Aug 29 00:48:11 its showed up on the bottom , they right next to each other Aug 29 00:48:16 yeah Aug 29 00:48:21 it just doesnt do anything if you click it Aug 29 00:48:23 but dont delete it Aug 29 00:48:30 deleting BAD. Aug 29 00:48:32 oh ok cool Aug 29 00:48:34 gotcha Aug 29 00:48:45 just move it to the bottom of one of the launcher pages and forget about it Aug 29 00:48:47 thanks a bunch Aug 29 00:48:48 Oil, are you going to do the OSK config app or shall I work on that tonight when I get back? Aug 29 00:48:49 like the nascar app Aug 29 00:49:01 hahah yeh nascar Aug 29 00:49:04 osk config app? Aug 29 00:49:23 On Screen Keyboard needs an app to edit the keyboard_config.json file. Aug 29 00:49:26 LIttle one-scene app Aug 29 00:49:40 I can do it later. Aug 29 00:49:52 and some way to actually edit it? Aug 29 00:49:53 lol Aug 29 00:52:50 or just a theme chooser Aug 29 00:54:18 so some way to write to the file Aug 29 00:54:19 xD Aug 29 00:54:30 where is the config stored? Aug 29 00:54:55 < /media/internal/virtual-keyboard Aug 29 00:54:57 I think Aug 29 00:55:02 or something like that Aug 29 00:55:16 you can edit it with terminal on the Pre ;) Aug 29 00:56:19 you can edit it with any editor Aug 29 00:56:27 turn on USB access and it's available to your pc Aug 29 00:56:36 Check out the new updated wiki page with THEME IMAGES Aug 29 00:56:47 but there isnt any file io on the pre Aug 29 00:57:06 unless you're gonna use the filemanager service Aug 29 00:57:13 oil Aug 29 00:57:15 which, im sure if you asked jason he would tell you exactly how to use it Aug 29 00:57:17 turn on usb access. Aug 29 00:57:26 oh Aug 29 00:57:30 I see Aug 29 00:57:37 YOU CAN WRITE TO media internal Aug 29 00:57:39 yeah... Aug 29 00:57:41 you can Aug 29 00:57:51 Really. Aug 29 00:57:56 I gotta go Aug 29 00:57:57 bbl Aug 29 00:57:59 lol Aug 29 00:58:04 lol Aug 29 00:58:24 dev mode requires restarting... vi with the on device terminal ;) Aug 29 00:58:40 he is saying an app to configure it though Aug 29 00:58:43 you can't enter { } though :( Aug 29 00:58:46 which would be easy with the filemanager service Aug 29 00:58:50 ah yes Aug 29 00:59:20 anyone pick up snow leopard today? I got it for $10 hahaha Aug 29 00:59:48 how so? Aug 29 00:59:57 ill be sure to pick it up right after i buy an apple Aug 29 01:00:01 educator's discount Aug 29 01:00:10 im on an imac right now....wonder how much it is at my university Aug 29 01:00:11 oil: Don't, for the love of God Aug 29 01:00:23 it was a joke Aug 29 01:00:25 Eguy: the guys on Engadget said don't upgrade. Aug 29 01:00:37 im not cool enough to own a mac Aug 29 01:00:38 hahaha Aug 29 01:00:39 whats wrong with it? Aug 29 01:00:54 It is not worth anything over $30 that is for sure Aug 29 01:01:35 I do hope Apple fixes AD integration because it sucks *bleep* right now Aug 29 01:01:38 what are the selling points? its basically just a slight modification of leopard right? Aug 29 01:01:50 It's 10.5.9 pretty much Aug 29 01:01:53 It brakes a lot of the power users applcations (not a mac person so not sure what they were specifically). Aug 29 01:02:06 Eguy: they will if they ever want to see macs in a work environment Aug 29 01:02:19 every OS upgrade breaks everything Aug 29 01:02:24 except 7 Aug 29 01:02:30 I am extemely happy with it Aug 29 01:02:31 jmack: they finally got 64bit (which breaks a few things). it's more of a developers upgrade not end user. Aug 29 01:02:40 what the heck are all u chumps doing sitting on IRC? didn't you hear? Aug 29 01:02:50 our graphic designer has an imac, and it drives us nuts that our AD policies are hit and miss on him Aug 29 01:03:00 AnOutsider: Ryan Seacrest came out of the closet? Aug 29 01:03:26 haha no,but just as important! Aug 29 01:03:27 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/200545-just-nuts-linux-cannot-difficult.html Aug 29 01:03:31 I hear the new Quicktime (they removed Pro of course), is pretty bad. Aug 29 01:03:32 "YOU GUYS NEED TO POST A CLEAR SET OF INSTRUCTIONS ON HOW TO ROOT THE PRE." Aug 29 01:03:36 GET ON IT! Aug 29 01:03:42 LOL Aug 29 01:03:46 what does root mean? Aug 29 01:03:49 like dig it up? Aug 29 01:03:54 lovely post to sign on to... I hate ish like that Aug 29 01:03:55 haha Aug 29 01:04:08 1 post and wants people waiting on him hand and foot Aug 29 01:04:10 yeah guys, sorry for that post. itd been a long day Aug 29 01:04:24 what do you even need to root for nowadays? Aug 29 01:04:34 nothing? Aug 29 01:04:47 bbiab guys Aug 29 01:04:57 Haven't said that in years Aug 29 01:05:01 lol Aug 29 01:05:04 hehe Aug 29 01:05:08 rooting has this hype built around it that its like "jailbreaking" the pre...people dont realize its just accessing linux and it doesnt really do anything Aug 29 01:05:20 even so Aug 29 01:05:23 wtf is bbiab Aug 29 01:05:24 you can just install the terminal app Aug 29 01:05:26 and not much no, but it's likely he hasn't actually read up on anything related to what he's trying to do Aug 29 01:05:26 and WHALA Aug 29 01:05:30 "be back in a bit" Aug 29 01:05:45 question: i installed the terminal app today, but it doesnt do anything when i open it. do i need to initiate something? Aug 29 01:05:53 you need to install termplugin Aug 29 01:05:58 ah thanks Aug 29 01:06:07 im wary of installing all kinds of services without knowing what im doing Aug 29 01:06:18 so i wait until i know i need something Aug 29 01:06:28 1vs100 in 1 hour. Gonna cheat my way to some XBL points yaaa Aug 29 01:07:08 termplugin isnt a service Aug 29 01:07:10 its a plugin Aug 29 01:07:11 xD Aug 29 01:07:22 hola combo estiss Aug 29 01:07:24 whateva whateva i do what i want Aug 29 01:07:35 haha Aug 29 01:07:50 I just got the touchstone, this thing rocks Aug 29 01:07:56 dont it Aug 29 01:08:07 i just wish i could connect to the pc with it too Aug 29 01:08:15 though not necessary very often. Aug 29 01:08:29 Mounted in the car, picks up calls automatically on speaker. Paired with an aux input cable to my stereo Aug 29 01:08:49 does it provide road head as well good sir? Aug 29 01:08:59 Playing music and it automatically stops and I can hear through my cars audio and speak out loud Aug 29 01:09:05 And yeah, it obeys the rules Aug 29 01:09:43 What's good in the Pre world today Aug 29 01:10:17 i look forward to every friday hoping for an update :) Aug 29 01:10:33 an update to what? Aug 29 01:10:42 pre mofo! Aug 29 01:11:01 I want updates every friday! Aug 29 01:11:07 * oil hates updates Aug 29 01:11:15 last update fucked up some of my apps Aug 29 01:11:23 *checks pre to see which friends are on 360*....thanks oil! Aug 29 01:11:28 lol Aug 29 01:11:53 heh Aug 29 01:11:56 youve been an ass to me on numerous times, but its a great app Aug 29 01:12:02 an ass? Aug 29 01:12:04 me? Aug 29 01:12:06 now get on the ps3 version Aug 29 01:12:08 numerous? Aug 29 01:12:13 why? I dotn use PS3, but i want it anyways Aug 29 01:12:20 i dont remember any of those times Aug 29 01:12:21 * Templarian restarts pidgin didn't realise 2.6.1 was out... didn't notice that. Aug 29 01:12:22 DONT MENTION PS3 to OIL Aug 29 01:12:34 Does anyone know how to prompt a user for a variable in a script? Aug 29 01:12:40 Pidgin 2.6.1 video support ftw Aug 29 01:12:50 * oil is just really tired of people asking for a ps3 version Aug 29 01:12:55 lololol Aug 29 01:13:09 Can I get a nintendo friend id version k thx Aug 29 01:13:10 :P Aug 29 01:13:13 i was kiddin about you bein an ass to me...i just saw you get angry on the forums about the ps3 version Aug 29 01:13:15 Why would anyone want one, barely anyone plays online regularly. Aug 29 01:13:15 let a ps3 fan make one Aug 29 01:13:19 i dont care about ps3 Aug 29 01:13:34 agreed, just wanted to bust your bawlls Aug 29 01:13:43 oil, can i beta test the ps3 version when it comes out Aug 29 01:13:46 so, ill move on to requested one for the wii Aug 29 01:14:00 Man there's probably a small group of ugly rich old doods that are wetting their panties over the slim right now Aug 29 01:14:02 and make it so that i can assign usernames to the longass "friend codes" Aug 29 01:14:16 the slim? Aug 29 01:14:24 PS3 slim Aug 29 01:14:28 u mean the new ps3 which removes their backwards compatibility? Aug 29 01:14:30 Just saw one in Best Buy Aug 29 01:14:34 silly move in my opinion, but whatevs Aug 29 01:14:39 never been a sony fan Aug 29 01:14:54 ps2 was fantastic to me, but ps3 is a joke Aug 29 01:15:05 ps2 was a great system no doubt Aug 29 01:15:10 and the other problem was that i was only asked to create one like 20 times in that thread Aug 29 01:15:27 cause people dont know how to read Aug 29 01:15:28 I like the xbox app, works great for me Aug 29 01:15:36 i love it when shit works Aug 29 01:15:43 that was my first mojo app Aug 29 01:15:57 lolol im going to pop into every thread of yours and question you about the release date of hte ps3 version Aug 29 01:16:04 Great job, the background makes it look pro Aug 29 01:16:12 Small touches totally go a long way with me Aug 29 01:16:12 im going to get a moderator to delete them Aug 29 01:16:26 im gonna put said moderator on ym payroll Aug 29 01:16:30 yeah, i got that shit from a friend who makes themes for the 360 Aug 29 01:16:32 lololol Aug 29 01:16:37 Don't take that last statement out of context Aug 29 01:16:40 then im gonna change my avatar to say "hey oil, where's the ps3?" Aug 29 01:16:55 lol Aug 29 01:17:05 im gonna change my username to OILluvsPS3 Aug 29 01:17:30 AnOutsider you seem hell bent on getting on the Inside of Oils anger Aug 29 01:17:35 oil...lol? since when do you have a sense of humor? Aug 29 01:17:45 i dont Aug 29 01:17:51 i just say that when i have nothing else to say Aug 29 01:17:54 thats sarcastic Aug 29 01:17:55 there we go, the world can resume spinnin Aug 29 01:18:22 Why does the phone not display your background on the touchstone? Aug 29 01:18:44 why would you want it to display my background? Aug 29 01:18:54 Is it to prevent burn-in? Since the screen stays on Aug 29 01:18:56 Because I love your background oil Aug 29 01:19:15 you know it Aug 29 01:19:28 Nah but it's just black, how plain Aug 29 01:19:45 make a patch Aug 29 01:20:22 How would I go about finding the path to that particular file Aug 29 01:21:15 cd folder Aug 29 01:21:16 Grep through every file looking for #FFFFFF Aug 29 01:21:18 look around Aug 29 01:21:34 lol Aug 29 01:21:47 * k4p741nkrunch *earmuffs* Aug 29 01:21:54 still strange to see the "oil" and "lol" together Aug 29 01:22:29 Muhahaha Aug 29 01:22:29 haah @ the nick Aug 29 01:22:41 Hey guys, I smell really bad Aug 29 01:22:50 haha Aug 29 01:22:56 And I have a mancrush on Oil Aug 29 01:23:33 lol gh3t Aug 29 01:23:35 gh3y Aug 29 01:23:58 It's tough being you.. Aug 29 01:24:29 see? people dont give me enough credit Aug 29 01:24:30 lol Aug 29 01:24:55 No you had credit, but it costs a shitton of credit to bash oil Aug 29 01:25:30 its def worth it Aug 29 01:25:35 So, about that awesome palm device guys.. Aug 29 01:25:35 another lol Aug 29 01:25:54 Anything good come out today> Aug 29 01:26:04 preware 0.7.7? Aug 29 01:26:06 surprised IRC didn't say "name not possible" Aug 29 01:26:12 heh Aug 29 01:26:28 man the preware update earlier effed something up Aug 29 01:26:37 .7.8? Aug 29 01:26:38 i can no longer install apps. Was hoping to get my hands on wooton too Aug 29 01:26:41 ah well Aug 29 01:27:21 mine said .7.8 was available, i clicked install, it crashed and is now .7.7 and says nothing is available Aug 29 01:27:30 7.8 sucks Aug 29 01:27:34 I got 7.7 this morning Aug 29 01:28:01 I'm 7.7 Aug 29 01:28:07 heh mine says .6.4 Aug 29 01:28:08 there is no 7.8 Aug 29 01:28:28 PWNED Aug 29 01:28:37 i love how people suggest stupid stuff in the wiki for preware Aug 29 01:28:55 like? i need a laugh Aug 29 01:28:59 "Add a most recent selection to show most recent new apps and updates like the official app catalog has." Aug 29 01:29:12 lolol Aug 29 01:30:55 Hmm Aug 29 01:31:06 I'm pretty sure there's an Everything button Aug 29 01:31:12 That does just that Aug 29 01:31:12 * oil is gonna be gettin dotgame ready for palms catalog this weekend Aug 29 01:31:29 and the list of everything defaults to date sort Aug 29 01:31:53 really though Aug 29 01:31:56 im just glad preware works Aug 29 01:32:19 heh i just uninstalled it Aug 29 01:32:21 ditto Aug 29 01:32:23 forgot to remove the service tho Aug 29 01:32:28 omgwtf Aug 29 01:32:30 ill have to try to reinstall from webosquick install Aug 29 01:33:24 Wait, you removed Preware? Aug 29 01:33:30 I did Aug 29 01:33:33 not me, my ditto jsut came at a bad time Aug 29 01:33:37 That's like giving your Pre a labotomy Aug 29 01:33:54 And forgetting to pull the scalpel out Aug 29 01:33:58 well, if it's not working, I'm not gonna just let it sit there Aug 29 01:34:03 I'll clean it out and then retry Aug 29 01:34:10 it seems to make my pre very slow Aug 29 01:34:14 if i leave it open Aug 29 01:34:14 If you leave it. Warez will come Aug 29 01:34:19 but as it stood, updates would claim to install, reboot the app and its still there Aug 29 01:34:25 no apps were installing etc. pointless Aug 29 01:34:41 going out for hte night, catch you bitches later Aug 29 01:34:52 Sounds like a problem with the package service Aug 29 01:35:02 And I wasn't aware there were any bitches in here Aug 29 01:35:39 i was using it deratorily, of course there arent actual "bitches" here. its IRC. Aug 29 01:35:46 deratorily? that was bad Aug 29 01:35:58 rwhitby: you there my man Aug 29 01:36:51 This isn't bitchx Aug 29 01:37:25 And I'm pulling your leg OilWheres <--you should change that back Aug 29 01:46:18 Heh, so I started trying to work on a palm pre app, and I've spent most of my time working on a web-based sync process that has not much to do with webOS in particular Aug 29 01:50:05 Hmm you talking about syncing files from a cloud? Aug 29 01:50:10 Yup Aug 29 01:50:37 Well, data records anyway. I'm writing a notepad app that syncs with a web-based REST API Aug 29 01:51:10 the notepad part isn't exciting, but hoping the rest is useful in further apps Aug 29 01:51:44 So what are you using for the server? Aug 29 01:51:53 Got a PHP web app I'm writing in parallel Aug 29 01:52:30 Ahh that sounds integratable for a few different functions Aug 29 01:52:37 http://github.com/lmorchard/memento/tree/master Aug 29 01:52:50 Eventually I want to write some tutorials based on it, too Aug 29 01:54:04 I was a programmer for a couple years but I moved on to advanced networking and it's more engaging to me Aug 29 01:54:18 lol Aug 29 01:54:41 Oil your sarcasm confuses me Aug 29 01:54:50 networks are a pita Aug 29 01:55:04 Advanced networking as in writing the networking software, or planning the infrastructure? Aug 29 01:55:05 Networks are a challenge, and I am an excellent problem solver Aug 29 01:55:21 i prefer code Aug 29 01:55:26 running cables sucks Aug 29 01:55:35 Network administration, network consulting and formation Aug 29 01:55:37 Heh, you can have minions run the cables Aug 29 01:56:21 Hey when they run out of minions the coders have to run cables in the data center too Aug 29 01:56:37 Ouch hehe Aug 29 01:56:52 We're all minions to the internet Aug 29 01:56:57 This is true Aug 29 01:56:58 just leave me at my desk with some caffeine Aug 29 01:57:05 and i wont muck with your wires Aug 29 01:57:39 Last cables I ran were for a mom & pop ISP in 1995 or so. racks and racks of modems, hooray Aug 29 01:58:19 Hahaha there was one time when I worked at a huge CDN and the whole building lost power, I plugged my laptop in to an ethernet port and somehow it still provided me an internet signal and NOONE in the building but me had it. I felt like Neo Aug 29 01:58:40 Haha, nice Aug 29 01:59:22 how many programmers does it take to change a lightbulb? Aug 29 01:59:48 Someone think of some clever code quick Aug 29 01:59:52 0 Aug 29 01:59:57 null Aug 29 01:59:58 thats a hardware problem Aug 29 02:00:28 A GOOD programmer would hack the nearest roomba to come do it for them Aug 29 02:00:36 nonsense Aug 29 02:00:42 roombas cant climb ladders Aug 29 02:00:56 A botnet of roombas Aug 29 02:00:59 Piled high Aug 29 02:01:00 lol Aug 29 02:01:11 does anyone really have more than one roomba? Aug 29 02:01:16 Yeah Aug 29 02:01:25 an army of vacuum cleaners? Aug 29 02:01:26 haha Aug 29 02:01:42 I tape kitchen knives to the front and me and my friends play battle bots Aug 29 02:01:48 lol Aug 29 02:01:48 If you're ever in the Bay Area when a SuperHappyDevHouse is going on, you'll see zombie armies of roombas Aug 29 02:02:08 I want to go to SuperHappyDevHouse Aug 29 02:02:09 Also Maker Faires Aug 29 02:02:28 I just realized the internet cares not for emphasis Aug 29 02:02:37 I've been to a dozen or so SHDH weekends, they're pretty keen Aug 29 02:02:47 Peachy Aug 29 02:02:53 But now I live in MI, so getting to CA is a little more rare :) Aug 29 02:03:10 I went to defcon and all I got was this damn luggage tag Aug 29 02:03:20 is a class0 alert considered a SMS from like Sprint? Aug 29 02:03:24 ...and it hacked my TV when I got home!@ Aug 29 02:03:43 Yeah and my webcam light wouldn't turn off ever sense Aug 29 02:03:50 haha Aug 29 02:04:15 Ikyo sorry no clue Aug 29 02:04:28 Eh, I wouldn't worry about it. just tape over the light. Oh, huh, having spaghetti for dinner are ya Aug 29 02:04:38 You know I totally want to read the documentation on the Pre Aug 29 02:04:43 SDK I mean Aug 29 02:05:02 No, I do better than that Aug 29 02:05:04 eh? Aug 29 02:06:10 * oil goes to get foods Aug 29 02:06:32 I pretend to not notice it, then once an hour I pluck my nose hair using the webcam as a mirror, then proceed to repeatedly sniff my own armpits until the light goes off Aug 29 02:06:52 Best fix ever Aug 29 02:07:11 Okkaaaay new patch idea Aug 29 02:07:23 hah Aug 29 02:07:27 On touchstone just under time it should display a charge percent Aug 29 02:07:49 And background should be your wallpaper Aug 29 02:07:54 good one Aug 29 02:08:37 Anyone know where the touchstone configuration file is? Aug 29 02:10:27 That has been in question for a whilr now. Aug 29 02:11:40 you can find it by cat'ing through files, logging the output, then searching for the same function of the lock screen Aug 29 02:11:50 Anyone know what it would take to keep the wifi on if connected via terminal? Aug 29 02:12:04 play music Aug 29 02:12:05 Play music or charge the pre Aug 29 02:12:39 the idea is if i'm in ssh and it turns off that the wifi stays on Aug 29 02:12:50 Yeah music stops that Aug 29 02:13:16 jesus that was painful Aug 29 02:13:56 Yes, what happened to Jesus was extremely painful I would say Aug 29 02:14:08 I mean, never existing must be the worst pain of all :P Aug 29 02:14:29 Sorry that was uncalled for Aug 29 02:14:32 I had to work on the damn contacttone patch. I just noticed a HUGE bug Aug 29 02:14:34 What was Ikyo Aug 29 02:14:41 What happened? Aug 29 02:14:54 I haven't received a text since I installed it Aug 29 02:14:58 f*ing Palm decided to just overwrite an array instead of adding data too it like any idiot Aug 29 02:15:26 Why would you overwrite an entire array? Aug 29 02:16:15 Not just write new values for each index Aug 29 02:16:34 The problem with seeing all the source code in Mojo, is I can see how parts were kind of rushed :) Aug 29 02:17:01 But at least you can see Mojo source code, not like other platforms that are probably as bad but hidden :D Aug 29 02:17:33 I hope Palm takes their time and cleans up some of these things Aug 29 02:17:37 very true Aug 29 02:17:53 Even if when it comes out I have to fully reset the phone to get it Aug 29 02:18:00 It would be kind of nice if they accepted patches Aug 29 02:18:21 I mean, it's not a true Open Source project, but I'd still submit bug fixes for free Aug 29 02:18:26 Never, I wouldn't be surprised if they started obfuscating important code Aug 29 02:18:56 I hope they're smarter than that, but I'm not a notable optmist Aug 29 02:21:33 Well the thing is I think they are seeing a lot of people rooting their Pre's who only know how to follow instruction half as much as the pre requires. This is probably causing Palm and Sprint a lot of grief from angry owners of 'bricked' Pre's Aug 29 02:22:03 Would anyone be interested a script that would activate & backup the Pre using rsync? Or am i just wasting my time... Aug 29 02:23:19 lol, guess that kinda answers my question Aug 29 02:23:25 I could see how some people might use that Aug 29 02:25:39 Is there a particular folder to use for scripts? I thought it was home/scripts, but the directory wasn't found. Just don't want to throw a script anywhere Aug 29 02:25:40 anyone really familiar with quilt? Aug 29 02:26:40 the only thing im familiar with Aug 29 02:26:45 is people having problems with quilt Aug 29 02:26:52 this isn't a problem Aug 29 02:27:04 I am just wondering how do I make it track more files for a certain patch Aug 29 02:27:13 I have already changed off of that and need to go back Aug 29 02:27:23 * oil doesn't know Aug 29 02:27:41 Yeah Im familliar with quilt Aug 29 02:28:43 If I wanted to update a patch to add more files to it, what would I do? Aug 29 02:29:13 You mean a patch that pulled in files to apply? Aug 29 02:29:35 no, my conttacttone patch. I need to make it track two more files plus update the others Aug 29 02:30:10 I guess I'm missing what you're meaning by 'tracking' files Aug 29 02:30:23 I figured it out Aug 29 02:30:28 lol Aug 29 02:30:34 f*ck me Aug 29 02:30:58 * oil passes Aug 29 02:32:08 I didn't say sh f*ck me Aug 29 02:32:29 why are you censoring yourself? Aug 29 02:33:19 I didn't want to offend v3ritas Aug 29 02:33:48 lol thanks ;P Aug 29 02:33:55 what, you're 12? Aug 29 02:33:59 no problem fuckhead Aug 29 02:34:05 hahahahahaha Aug 29 02:34:15 jk Aug 29 02:36:12 dagnabbit where did my ssh go Aug 29 02:37:33 Oh come on I was kidding v3ritas :P Aug 29 02:37:55 lol i'm still here. Trying to think over this rsync thing Aug 29 02:38:19 I was gonna start making the mockup for the Pre Keyboard theme I have in mind Aug 29 02:38:45 As soon as i started mine i realized i dont have the patience to make one Aug 29 02:39:04 I don't have the photoshop to make one Aug 29 02:39:15 I'm using a.viary.com which is less than optimal Aug 29 02:39:22 Yeah, & gimp sucks at images that small Aug 29 02:39:36 what's wrong with gimp? Aug 29 02:39:41 * oil really doesnt see a need for the osk Aug 29 02:39:46 not saying its not good Aug 29 02:39:49 im sure some people <3 it Aug 29 02:39:54 i just like real buttons Aug 29 02:40:08 I have nothing against Gimp, it's just that it's difficult to make small images like for the keys Aug 29 02:41:03 It's just something in photoshop that makes it easier to edit layers multiple times, ie: Adding the needed characters to each key, saving, then changing Aug 29 02:42:27 I would kill a man for some PhotoCrack CS3 Aug 29 02:43:02 windows or mac? Aug 29 02:43:47 Windows Aug 29 02:44:23 I need to put linux on this thing, I've just been so busy using the damn thing Aug 29 02:45:34 BTW second day of my oreo twist fix and it's holding strong Aug 29 02:45:35 using ubuntu here. Love it over windows Aug 29 02:45:44 Yeah I always use ubuntu Aug 29 02:45:52 Yeah... sorry about last night. I was retarded. I didn't realize i was supposed to lift the rail Aug 29 02:45:55 This computer was given to me though Aug 29 02:46:15 Did you get it? Aug 29 02:46:30 Still haven't found a small enough screwdriver Aug 29 02:46:36 I went to Best Buy and played with the displays and mine is even tighter than those Aug 29 02:46:38 might go looking in a bit though. I've been sitting here too long Aug 29 02:46:54 I even explained what I was doing to the rep and he was twisting em with me Aug 29 02:47:02 lol Aug 29 02:47:37 The thing has a distinct pop when you slide it open now Aug 29 02:47:44 It's like opening a can of soda Aug 29 02:48:11 BTW the touchstone charge back makes me want to get naked and show my Pre some lovin Aug 29 02:48:37 I love how it's rubberized Aug 29 02:48:40 It's smoother than a baby seals skin Aug 29 02:49:55 It makes the Pre feel so much better Aug 29 02:51:11 Hmm. What oreo twist fix did you use? Aug 29 02:51:28 Made my own Aug 29 02:51:33 I've read everything from superglue to bending the brackets to tightening screws Aug 29 02:51:42 It's extremely simple Aug 29 02:52:03 mine oreo's about 0.5mm, but it's still annoying Aug 29 02:52:13 And I'm always concerned it'll get worse Aug 29 02:52:25 But not enough to go back to the Sprint store yet :) Aug 29 02:52:50 hmmm.. Anyone familiar with running scripts remotely? Aug 29 02:52:52 Just put a tiny flathead screwdriver between the rail and the black plastic on the right side, then hold the phone down and put your thumb against the plastic on the side, pry back gently and lift the rail up until it lifts a tiny bit Aug 29 02:53:05 v3ritas you mean through ssh? Aug 29 02:53:09 yes Aug 29 02:53:10 Oh, huh, distorting the rail itself a little bit? Aug 29 02:53:35 ie: ssh -p 222 $User@$PreIP /home/scripts/rsyncon.sh << However i need it to run as root/sudo Aug 29 02:53:38 Yeah, I noticed I could fit a post it note between the slider and the rail so I lifted it up a biut Aug 29 02:53:44 Now it's suuuuper tight Aug 29 02:53:50 Doesn't wiggle at ALL Aug 29 02:54:57 Wha-hey, I'm back to actually poking at my pre app, and it seems to be actually syncing to my web app Aug 29 02:55:24 can't you just replace $user@$PreIP with root@castle Aug 29 02:55:32 or not :( hmph Aug 29 02:55:55 k4p741nkrunch: do you have better pix for your fix? Aug 29 02:56:03 I'm willing to try it but it's hard to see Aug 29 02:56:21 The point is you don't have to see much of anything Aug 29 02:56:22 well it uses the $PreIP to actually connect to the Pre over WiFi. Before that i get the two values & i'm calling them there Aug 29 02:56:48 i can successfully connect like that, just not run the script to turn on rsync Aug 29 02:56:53 Just gently pry up the very bottom of the rail Aug 29 02:56:57 Oh I see Aug 29 02:57:08 So you're calling that from a desktop application? Aug 29 02:57:42 Yeah. For the moment it's a script that will be run from a comp & backup the pre onto the host computer Aug 29 02:58:50 is there a command to shut down the pre? Aug 29 02:59:07 All I know is reboot Aug 29 02:59:12 yeah Aug 29 02:59:54 What happens if you init different runlevels on the pre **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Aug 29 02:59:56 2009