**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Aug 29 02:59:56 2009
Aug 29 03:00:35 <k4p741nkrunch> v3ritas is there a way to integrate sudo into the script
Aug 29 03:00:58 <k4p741nkrunch> Like sudo -i and use visudo to remove the need to ask for a password
Aug 29 03:01:22 <v3ritas> I've tried.  In the desktop portion i've added sudo so that  ssh -p 222 $User@$PreIP sudo /home/scripts/rsyncon.sh, & within rsyncon.sh
Aug 29 03:02:17 <v3ritas> if i try to login directly as root@IP the password is always invalid
Aug 29 03:03:24 <k4p741nkrunch> Well sounds like you have to break it up into a couple commands
Aug 29 03:03:41 <k4p741nkrunch> Open up ssh and keep it open, then sude -i, then run the script
Aug 29 03:03:53 <k4p741nkrunch> sudo not sude
Aug 29 03:04:27 <v3ritas> Yeah, i was hoping to avoid it.  As soon as the ssh part is run without specifying a script, mine will stop until the ssh with the pre is over
Aug 29 03:04:39 <v3ritas> looks like for now that part will have to be manual
Aug 29 03:05:01 <k4p741nkrunch> could you maybe auto paste from the clipboard
Aug 29 03:06:10 <v3ritas> hmmm... permission denied when i'm root
Aug 29 03:06:58 <v3ritas> This is turning out to be alot more difficult than i planned
Aug 29 03:07:38 <analog`> after watching the videos of the htc android i am kind of happy to not have widgets, like i wanted before
Aug 29 03:08:18 <k4p741nkrunch> Wait, can you run ssh -p 222 $User@$PreIP sh -p /home/scripts/rsyncon.sh
Aug 29 03:09:09 <v3ritas> lets find out
Aug 29 03:09:20 <k4p741nkrunch> the -p is privelaged flag
Aug 29 03:09:25 <psykoz> new icon for terminal?
Aug 29 03:09:39 <k4p741nkrunch> Yeah I like the old one better IMHO
Aug 29 03:09:45 <psykoz> me too :(
Aug 29 03:10:07 <v3ritas> illegal operation
Aug 29 03:10:31 <psykoz> why don't we have to login to terminal anymore?  I sorta liked it the other way because it also executed the profile properly for that user and used my history etc..
Aug 29 03:11:14 <jauderho> um
Aug 29 03:11:19 <jauderho> why are you doing this?
Aug 29 03:11:30 <jauderho> just setuid
Aug 29 03:12:18 <jauderho> chmod +S iirc
Aug 29 03:12:24 <jauderho> to run as root.
Aug 29 03:12:34 <v3ritas> it won't prompt for a password/
Aug 29 03:12:37 <v3ritas> ?
Aug 29 03:12:40 <jauderho> granted, it's insecure..
Aug 29 03:12:43 <v3ritas> yeah =\
Aug 29 03:13:01 <jauderho> try it
Aug 29 03:13:07 <lmorchard> k4p741nkrunch: Thanks for the rail tip, least scary oreo fix I've seen and it seems to have worked
Aug 29 03:13:08 <v3ritas> I was hoping i could still get it to prompt for a password, but i don't think it will allow me to if i'm doing it remotely
Aug 29 03:13:23 <lmorchard> as long as I take out the foam bits I had between the battery and the cover to make it less creaky :)
Aug 29 03:13:35 <k4p741nkrunch> No problem, you might notice it slips again if you didn't lift it much
Aug 29 03:13:55 <k4p741nkrunch> Just push the front half towards the back and you should be good for a couple more days
Aug 29 03:14:12 <jauderho> why do you want to prompt for passwd?
Aug 29 03:14:13 <lmorchard> Yeah, I might have to give it a bit more bend, since it reverts a little if there's pressure on the battery, but oh well
Aug 29 03:14:33 <k4p741nkrunch> I got mine PERFECT, it's definitely possible
Aug 29 03:14:48 <k4p741nkrunch> It feels so solid when it slides.  I wish you could just hear it
Aug 29 03:15:08 <v3ritas> If it's running a script on the device, i just feel better if it's still prompting. I guess it just really adds an extra step
Aug 29 03:15:40 <k4p741nkrunch> One thing I've noticed since I got the touchstone back though, it's so smooth and the slider is so tight it almost slips out of your hand when trying to open it one handed
Aug 29 03:15:55 <Ikyo> why not just put an IP restriction on it so it is more secure not to mention you will need ssh keys
Aug 29 03:16:39 <v3ritas> I guess the password prompt is pretty pointless.  So far the Host IP address still needs to be set anyway
Aug 29 03:16:52 <v3ritas> I forgot about that until you said it
Aug 29 03:16:58 <jauderho> k4p741nkrunch: which direction do you pry? to the right or up?
Aug 29 03:18:52 <k4p741nkrunch> I put the screwdriver in, with the flat head parallel to the rail, about half a millimeter closer to the speaker from the bottom of the rail.  I pry about 10% to the right, then I push towards the rail and lift up
Aug 29 03:19:25 <k4p741nkrunch> I ripped the black rubber off the very bottom, but I actually think it helped
Aug 29 03:21:29 <k4p741nkrunch> Since I adjusted my cpu scaling script my wifi over ssh has been really laggy
Aug 29 03:21:47 <jauderho> hmm
Aug 29 03:22:11 <jauderho> it seems like the wall/exterior on the right side is pretty fragile
Aug 29 03:22:15 <Ikyo> Why do people not follow directions then want to bitch because stuff doesn't work
Aug 29 03:22:27 <jauderho> even with putting my thumb there to brace it.
Aug 29 03:22:33 <k4p741nkrunch> Like it's on the touchstone and I'm ssh'ed in, I leave for a second then come back and ssh is frozen.  It will unfreeze after like 5 minutes
Aug 29 03:22:48 <k4p741nkrunch> You should barely be hitting it
Aug 29 03:22:53 <jauderho> it went into powersave mode
Aug 29 03:23:42 <k4p741nkrunch> Get a reaaally small screwdriver
Aug 29 03:24:06 <k4p741nkrunch> And just get it in there enough to get the tip underneath
Aug 29 03:24:11 <jauderho> well no time to try now.
Aug 29 03:24:15 <jauderho> have to go to gf's
Aug 29 03:24:20 <jauderho> or I will be lit on fire
Aug 29 03:24:24 <jauderho> will try later
Aug 29 03:24:51 <k4p741nkrunch> haha
Aug 29 03:25:05 <k4p741nkrunch> Ikyo who is  it this time
Aug 29 03:56:08 <analog`> http://ihatemyiphone.com/
Aug 29 03:58:56 <zsoc> just needed to stop in and say, you guys are awesome. love the preware update, patch works great.
Aug 29 03:59:03 <zsoc> and destinal, thanks for fixing term :P
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Aug 29 04:01:00 <tharrs-> thats what i think about ur site
Aug 29 04:01:07 <tharrs-> =p
Aug 29 04:01:47 <rwhitby> zsoc: good to hear everything is working for you.
Aug 29 04:03:23 <zsoc> rwhitby, i'd be available more but work is ridiculous :/ ever contact cpc.. rook.. er something
Aug 29 04:03:25 <tharrs-> :)
Aug 29 04:03:46 <rwhitby> zsoc: not yet
Aug 29 04:04:23 <zsoc> point me towards the cross compiling method you described? for when i have a sec?
Aug 29 04:06:21 <lmorchard> Damn.  My app's working in the emulator, but not in the device so much
Aug 29 04:06:33 <RainMan> hi
Aug 29 04:07:27 <tharrs-> hi
Aug 29 04:07:45 <tharrs-> take it from me, code in emu not same as on device
Aug 29 04:08:07 <zsoc> dont know what you're talking about, it's identical ;)
Aug 29 04:08:15 <zsoc> atleast the code your working on can be tested in the emu...
Aug 29 04:08:26 * zsoc complains the emulator doesn't have a functioning cam :P
Aug 29 04:09:05 <zsoc> Ridiculous question. Anyone working on a voice dialing patch?
Aug 29 04:09:31 <tharrs-> the build verson on the emu and device are different sadly
Aug 29 04:14:59 <phish3> any examples for appinfo.jason:type="native"?
Aug 29 04:15:05 <phish3> *json
Aug 29 04:25:43 <lmorchard> Oh hey, removing my app on the device before installing helps
Aug 29 04:39:42 <destinal> lmorchard: lol
Aug 29 04:40:04 <lmorchard> It's nice to switch one thing and see all my tests pass :)
Aug 29 04:42:08 <eztech> Where do I installed web internals shell service so that preware can work?
Aug 29 04:43:47 <destinal> eztech: uh, you don't.  you really, really don't.
Aug 29 04:44:06 <destinal> you want to install ipkgservice
Aug 29 04:44:13 <eztech> well preware is telling me it needs to be installed as soon as i run it
Aug 29 04:44:16 <eztech> yes
Aug 29 04:44:31 <destinal> right, the shell service is something totally different
Aug 29 04:44:40 <destinal> very old and very much a security hole
Aug 29 04:44:51 <eztech>  I get a message that says "org.webosinternals.ipkgservice is not running
Aug 29 04:44:56 <destinal> right, ipkgservice
Aug 29 04:45:20 <destinal> I think you can install it via webos quick install tools
Aug 29 04:45:22 <eztech> yep id love to find out how to install lol
Aug 29 04:45:27 <eztech> emm
Aug 29 04:45:37 <eztech> leme see if i can figure out what u mean
Aug 29 04:45:44 <eztech> please dont leave 1 min tops
Aug 29 04:45:49 <destinal> kk=
Aug 29 04:47:38 <eztech> doggonnit now im getting dev not deteced msg in web os quick install
Aug 29 04:48:09 <destinal> eztech: hmmm, what operating system?
Aug 29 04:48:12 <eztech> also ive been at this for about 3 hours now finally getting novacom ect to work on win 7
Aug 29 04:48:19 <destinal> ah
Aug 29 04:48:20 <eztech> windows 7 64 bit
Aug 29 04:49:09 <eztech> web os quick install was working fine about id say 15m mins ago but i went web os internals root happy installing anything i thought wud help me...
Aug 29 04:49:12 <eztech> and to no avail
Aug 29 04:49:15 <eztech> via root
Aug 29 04:49:25 <destinal> try this
Aug 29 04:49:28 <eztech> with python putty ect
Aug 29 04:49:29 <destinal> novacom get file://etc/palm-build-info
Aug 29 04:49:39 <eztech> in root?
Aug 29 04:49:50 <destinal> nah from windows command line
Aug 29 04:50:55 <eztech> that exactly?
Aug 29 04:50:59 <destinal> yes
Aug 29 04:51:28 <eztech> i think i need to restart my cpu or soemthing
Aug 29 04:51:34 <eztech> unable to find device
Aug 29 04:51:45 <destinal> try start, run, services.msc
Aug 29 04:51:51 <destinal> look for Palm Novacom
Aug 29 04:51:56 <eztech> kk
Aug 29 04:51:58 <destinal> stop that and start it again
Aug 29 04:52:38 <eztech> windows cannot start
Aug 29 04:52:47 <eztech> cannot find the local file specified
Aug 29 04:52:52 <eztech> hmm
Aug 29 04:53:04 <eztech> thats after stopping it btw
Aug 29 04:53:09 <destinal> weird
Aug 29 04:53:22 <destinal> sounds like the novacom service you spent so long installing is broken
Aug 29 04:53:29 <eztech> well
Aug 29 04:53:34 <eztech> i have an idea
Aug 29 04:53:41 <eztech> i checked properties
Aug 29 04:53:53 <eztech> leme make sure its directory is still existant
Aug 29 04:54:02 <eztech> also thanks a bunch for your time
Aug 29 04:54:18 <destinal> you're welcome
Aug 29 04:54:26 <eztech> C:\Program Files\Palm, Inc\novacom\amd64\novacomd.exe guna check here
Aug 29 04:57:02 <eztech> ok im reinstalling novacom 64
Aug 29 04:57:08 <eztech> hopefulyl that works
Aug 29 04:57:16 <eztech> if not im guna try to reboot pc
Aug 29 04:58:27 <eztech> u guna be here for a lil bit? my reboot takes about 1-2mins
Aug 29 04:58:50 <destinal> yeah, I'll be here for a bit
Aug 29 04:59:37 <eztech> kk brb
Aug 29 05:02:31 <eztech_> im bak
Aug 29 05:03:53 <destinal> ah
Aug 29 05:03:58 <eztech_> z.z
Aug 29 05:04:12 <eztech_> seems i need to uninstall palm novacom somehow...
Aug 29 05:05:37 <eztech_> great my pre is no longer getting detected...
Aug 29 05:06:05 <eztech_> i have no idea why im next to positve tho it mustve had to do with a root comand that i performed
Aug 29 05:06:39 <eztech_> cd /tmp
Aug 29 05:07:28 <eztech_> i wonder if i shud use webos doctor again and reformat my pre...
Aug 29 05:07:31 <destinal> eztech_: too many unknowns for me to do much, I'd advise running webos doctor and then enabling dev mode.  i
Aug 29 05:07:37 <eztech_> maybee thats why its so effed up lol?
Aug 29 05:08:11 <destinal> it's hard to tell at the moment if it's something up with novacom on the pc side or the pre side
Aug 29 05:08:25 <eztech_> well
Aug 29 05:08:34 <eztech_> nova com service wont run for me now
Aug 29 05:08:37 <eztech_> ever since i stoped it
Aug 29 05:08:50 <eztech_> so its possibly my pc side...
Aug 29 05:08:51 <destinal> well that's bound to be the biggest issue
Aug 29 05:09:05 <eztech_> well its no big issue really
Aug 29 05:09:23 <destinal> I'd try uninstalling and reinstalling novacom service
Aug 29 05:09:30 <eztech_> hmm
Aug 29 05:10:05 <eztech_> i went to dev manager and dleeted driver
Aug 29 05:10:09 <eztech_> and uninstalled
Aug 29 05:10:15 <eztech_> ill try reinstalling now
Aug 29 05:10:28 <destinal> uninstalled it from the control panel also?
Aug 29 05:11:09 <eztech_> where is it located in ccontrol panel?
Aug 29 05:12:00 <eztech_> ok good im back to device driver not succefully installed for palm novacam driver
Aug 29 05:12:12 <destinal> just from add/remove or programs and features or wherever you uninstall programs in win7
Aug 29 05:12:31 <eztech_> is there any way to remove services?
Aug 29 05:12:50 <destinal> well usually it's part of a installer package, not sure on how you installed it though
Aug 29 05:12:54 <psykoz> as in widnows services?
Aug 29 05:12:58 <psykoz> as in windows*
Aug 29 05:13:00 <destinal> so usually you can uninstall the package
Aug 29 05:13:08 <Eguy> anyone watch the launch?
Aug 29 05:15:47 <eztech_> yes windows services
Aug 29 05:15:59 <eztech_> im trying to remove palm novacom service
Aug 29 05:16:06 <eztech_> troubleshooting it it was working fine
Aug 29 05:16:41 <psykoz> go to dos
Aug 29 05:16:42 <psykoz> sc /?
Aug 29 05:16:48 <psykoz> has syntax for deleting a service
Aug 29 05:18:27 <eztech_> hmm
Aug 29 05:18:42 <destinal> eztech_: did you check programs and features or whatever it is in win7?>
Aug 29 05:18:51 <eztech_> yep
Aug 29 05:18:55 <eztech_> no palm service
Aug 29 05:19:04 <destinal> well it might say novacom
Aug 29 05:19:07 <destinal> or something else
Aug 29 05:19:46 <destinal> the name of the package may not match the name of the service
Aug 29 05:20:05 <eztech_> ya im seeing that
Aug 29 05:20:07 <eztech_> well
Aug 29 05:20:13 <eztech_> heres my next steps lol
Aug 29 05:20:22 <eztech_> #1 reformat phone
Aug 29 05:20:29 <eztech_> # 2 reformat cpu
Aug 29 05:20:39 <eztech_> install xp 32bit or w/e
Aug 29 05:20:52 <eztech_> since it seems to be the most complatible
Aug 29 05:21:03 <destinal> eztech_: you won't be able to doctor your phone without novacom  :-/
Aug 29 05:21:17 <eztech_> altho i dont see why it was working fine then it just stopped working
Aug 29 05:21:24 <eztech_> ooo
Aug 29 05:21:27 <eztech_> UR RIGHT
Aug 29 05:21:35 <destinal> try running the msi file again?
Aug 29 05:21:52 <destinal> then check programs and features or whatever and try removing it there
Aug 29 05:22:04 <destinal> then installing it yet again, then hopefully it'll be clean
Aug 29 05:22:49 <destinal> you could always back out to xp but that seems severe
Aug 29 05:23:08 <eztech_> yea expecially since im so happy with win 7 lol
Aug 29 05:23:21 <eztech_> its uber fast lol and ive had it for weeks now
Aug 29 05:23:44 <eztech_> belive it or not its a little faster than xp in my opinion
Aug 29 05:24:19 <eztech_> also i see what u mean with me not being able to format my phone due to no connection showing up z.Z
Aug 29 05:25:12 <destinal> you could always install xp or ubuntu in a VM
Aug 29 05:25:24 <destinal> and connect through the usb to the VM
Aug 29 05:25:44 <destinal> but I know people have been able to get novacom going fine in win7/64
Aug 29 05:25:52 <eztech_> VM?
Aug 29 05:26:07 <eztech_> well i have reason to belive theres nothing rong with my cpu
Aug 29 05:26:09 <destinal> virtual machine.  in that case you probably don't want to  :)
Aug 29 05:26:40 <eztech_> but being that i cant start the service again im seeing a possible prob from my cpu end
Aug 29 05:26:57 <destinal> no it probably means something's screwed up with the installation of novacom
Aug 29 05:27:27 <destinal> or well if by cpu you mean computer and not central processing unit / processor, then yet
Aug 29 05:27:28 <destinal> yeah
Aug 29 05:28:01 <eztech_> lol
Aug 29 05:28:03 <destinal> but specifically it's the novacom service installation that's hosed up, if you could uninstall and reinstall you'd probably be fine
Aug 29 05:28:16 <eztech_> yes sorry cpu=computer lol i know it means that too xD
Aug 29 05:29:56 <eztech_> uninstalling
Aug 29 05:30:00 <eztech_> sdk and everything
Aug 29 05:30:10 <psykoz> eztech_, did you do the win7 tweak to the novacomd installer that you have to do for it to install?
Aug 29 05:31:03 <eztech_> not sure all i did is download the .jar opened with winrar and went to resources and double clicked the 64 bit install
Aug 29 05:31:10 <eztech_> that worked for about 1 hour?
Aug 29 05:31:33 <psykoz> Oh, I dunno about the 64bit install but you have to modify the 32bit install with an msi editor
Aug 29 05:31:38 <eztech_> and then i guess i got root happy with the phone DESPERATLY TRYING TO FIND IPKGSERVICES
Aug 29 05:31:49 <eztech_> well
Aug 29 05:31:56 <eztech_> if u actully search the folder
Aug 29 05:32:04 <eztech_> theres an amd 64 install
Aug 29 05:32:09 <eztech_> which u can just click
Aug 29 05:32:45 <eztech_> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Novacom_with_Windows_7
Aug 29 05:32:50 <eztech_> pretty much this
Aug 29 05:34:21 <psykoz> yeah that page says its deprecated now I don't know why its deprecated, this is what I'm talking about.  http://www.juergentreml.de/archives/802
Aug 29 05:35:01 <eztech_> my installer didnt fail tho
Aug 29 05:35:02 <destinal> ah, to get a full sdk rather than just novacom?
Aug 29 05:35:10 <eztech_> it went tru fully
Aug 29 05:35:19 <eztech_> and worked for a while
Aug 29 05:35:54 <destinal> sorry, I have to get to bed, but I hope you guys can figure it out
Aug 29 05:36:46 <eztech_> np thanks for the help
Aug 29 05:36:59 <psykoz> gotcha
Aug 29 05:37:09 <psykoz> haven't read the full scrollback above so I shouldn't have interjected any
Aug 29 05:37:11 <eztech_> i definitly figure this out even if it invlovles me formatting everything
Aug 29 05:37:39 <eztech_> z.z
Aug 29 05:37:42 <psykoz> you've tried doign the whole uninstall, reboot, reinstall, etc?  also your Pre is still in dev mode, right?
Aug 29 05:37:55 <eztech_> yep i checked devmode
Aug 29 05:37:58 <eztech_> i have the app
Aug 29 05:38:02 <eztech_> and it shows it is
Aug 29 05:38:17 <eztech_> also windows shows novacom driver in dev mgr
Aug 29 05:38:20 <eztech_> BUT
Aug 29 05:38:32 <eztech_> THE novacom service will not start now...
Aug 29 05:38:38 <eztech_> reason unknown
Aug 29 05:38:50 <psykoz> have you tried running the novacom startup commandline manually from DOS?
Aug 29 05:39:02 <eztech_> via msconfig.?
Aug 29 05:39:19 <eztech_> ohh cmd?
Aug 29 05:39:34 <eztech_> i dont know what novacom command is
Aug 29 05:40:12 <eztech_> ok i may have this problem solved
Aug 29 05:40:16 <eztech_> leme reinstall SDK
Aug 29 05:40:24 <psykoz> nevermind you can't run it via cmd apparently
Aug 29 05:41:32 <eztech_> yer =/
Aug 29 05:41:38 <eztech_> well im reinstalling SDK now
Aug 29 05:41:48 <eztech_> i have a feeling this will correct the issue
Aug 29 05:42:07 <eztech_> due to the fact service for palm novacom was removed after unistall of SDK
Aug 29 05:43:02 <eztech_> WOOT SERVICE SEEMS TO BE STARTED BY WINDOWS
Aug 29 05:43:10 <eztech_> now leme see if its working
Aug 29 05:43:18 <psykoz> cool :)
Aug 29 05:43:28 <eztech_> yeh
Aug 29 05:43:29 <eztech_> it is
Aug 29 05:43:41 <eztech_> unistalling of SDK did it
Aug 29 05:43:48 <eztech_> and resinstall of it
Aug 29 05:43:54 <eztech_> leme explain why
Aug 29 05:44:08 <eztech_> i allready manually applied novacom driver
Aug 29 05:44:27 <eztech_> so novacom service was the problem
Aug 29 05:44:37 <eztech_> im allready rooted into my pre
Aug 29 05:44:45 <eztech_> heres my dilema
Aug 29 05:44:51 <eztech_> ALL IM TRYING TO DO ROFL
Aug 29 05:44:58 <eztech_> is install ipkg service
Aug 29 05:45:05 <eztech_> i need it for preware
Aug 29 05:45:26 <eztech_> i want the sick ass onscreen keyboar
Aug 29 05:48:41 <eztech_> psycoz u derE?
Aug 29 05:48:55 <destinal> eztech_:  so use webos quick install to install ipkgservice?
Aug 29 05:49:06 <eztech_> how?
Aug 29 05:49:13 <eztech_> im not aware of how
Aug 29 05:49:31 <destinal> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware
Aug 29 05:49:38 <destinal> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware#Installation
Aug 29 05:49:53 <eztech_> ohh please
Aug 29 05:49:58 <eztech_> dont refer me there
Aug 29 05:50:05 <Eguy> What is Preware>
Aug 29 05:50:06 <Eguy> ?
Aug 29 05:50:10 <eztech_> i ve read that left and right
Aug 29 05:50:23 <destinal> eztech_: the steps for installing the service are there
Aug 29 05:50:31 <eztech_> its like file coaster and preupdate and the other all in one
Aug 29 05:50:31 <destinal> using webos quick install tool
Aug 29 05:50:40 <oc80z> whats good
Aug 29 05:50:58 <destinal> eztech_: I don't know what you want when it's right there
Aug 29 05:51:10 <eztech_> dest i think ur confused on what im talking about
Aug 29 05:51:17 <destinal>  Run WebOS Quick Install  Press the third button on the right  Choose WebOS Internals Feed (all) from the dropdown list at the top.   Select Package Manager Service  and Preware from the list.
Aug 29 05:51:27 <destinal> Package Manager Service = ipkgservice
Aug 29 05:51:29 <eztech_> preware is allready installed
Aug 29 05:51:37 <eztech_> when i run preware
Aug 29 05:51:45 <eztech_> i get an ERROR
Aug 29 05:51:47 <eztech_> says
Aug 29 05:51:58 <destinal> did you select  *** Package Manager Service  *** and Preware from the list.
Aug 29 05:52:01 <destinal> both?
Aug 29 05:52:17 <eztech_> package manager service
Aug 29 05:52:18 <eztech_> hmm
Aug 29 05:52:19 <eztech_> nope
Aug 29 05:52:30 <destinal> ok, that's in the instructions I was trying to have you go through
Aug 29 05:53:02 <eztech_> wow dest
Aug 29 05:53:27 <eztech_> IVE READ THOSE INSTRUTCIONS at least 12 times and i swear i didnt relize that
Aug 29 05:53:34 <eztech_> TAHNKS SOOOO MUCH MAN!
Aug 29 05:53:39 <eztech_> seriolsy
Aug 29 05:53:39 <destinal> eztech_: you're welcome :)
Aug 29 05:53:53 <destinal> eztech_: maybe they should be modified to make it clearer it's two different items
Aug 29 05:53:59 <eztech_> this had me going on 4 hours of figuring i feel like a retrar
Aug 29 05:54:13 <eztech_> wow i service and repair pcs all day lol
Aug 29 05:54:16 <psykoz> destinal, when did terminal switch back from requiring you to login ?  to just going straight to root
Aug 29 05:54:22 <eztech_> but dis had me puzzeld
Aug 29 05:54:57 <destinal> psykoz: yeah it goes straight to root now, though you can edit the javascript to have it log in as a non root user
Aug 29 05:55:29 <psykoz> cool, I'll poke around with it then :)
Aug 29 05:55:30 <destinal> we need to make that a configuration file or something
Aug 29 05:55:49 <destinal> psykoz: in http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application_talk:Terminal
Aug 29 05:55:53 <eztech_> Dest thanks allot i owe you one seriosly
Aug 29 05:56:03 <destinal> and edit session-assistant.js Search for the line that reads   this.termplugin.start("root");
Aug 29 05:56:05 <oc80z> hrm
Aug 29 05:56:22 <eztech_> is there a way i can register my username here? id like to come back more frequently
Aug 29 05:56:28 <destinal> eztech_: glad that got you squared away, I think the instructions need some work
Aug 29 05:56:32 <TheBat> Anyone find a way around the pandora region lock yet?
Aug 29 05:56:38 <TheBat> i want internet radio in canada
Aug 29 05:56:41 <destinal> ie two different items saying click this, click that
Aug 29 05:56:52 <TheBat> Other than shoutcast
Aug 29 05:56:57 <destinal> I almost missed it myself and I knew what I was looking for
Aug 29 06:21:52 * oil must say, terminal IS pretty cool
Aug 29 06:21:58 <oc80z> hells yeah
Aug 29 06:21:59 <oc80z> upgrade>
Aug 29 06:22:06 <psykoz> terminal is teh gayz, who wants that app? :)
Aug 29 06:22:39 <oil> takes some getting used to for the characters
Aug 29 06:23:14 <oc80z> Updating list...
Aug 29 06:23:16 <oil> i constantly find myself saying, "now, how do i do an escape again?"
Aug 29 06:23:18 <oc80z> w/e u say
Aug 29 06:23:19 <Eguy> it is pretty awesome
Aug 29 06:23:32 <Eguy> orange + space ;)
Aug 29 06:23:36 <oil> yeah
Aug 29 06:23:46 <oil> im just saying it takes time to commit that to memory
Aug 29 06:23:51 <Eguy> ah
Aug 29 06:23:54 <oil> i cont control down
Aug 29 06:23:57 <oil> but, that one is easy
Aug 29 06:24:00 <Eguy> I want to know how to do { and }
Aug 29 06:24:01 <oil> got*
Aug 29 06:24:11 <oil> those are easy
Aug 29 06:24:14 <oil> you dont!
Aug 29 06:24:18 <Eguy> hah
Aug 29 06:24:20 <oc80z> awesome 26  phone           radiopower
Aug 29 06:24:55 <oil> though if they didnt use sym for control, you could have used the on screen sym selection
Aug 29 06:25:08 <Eguy> Yeah
Aug 29 06:25:15 <oil> maybe they should add the option to have a small osk at the bottom for special characters
Aug 29 06:25:21 <oc80z> No such file or directory
Aug 29 06:25:22 <oc80z> wtf
Aug 29 06:25:46 <oc80z> patching file usr/lib/luna/system/luna-systemui/app/controllers/bar-assistant.js
Aug 29 06:25:53 <oc80z> is taht a typo? usr/ <no leading />
Aug 29 06:26:06 <oil> perhaps?
Aug 29 06:26:25 <oc80z> hrmz
Aug 29 06:27:20 <oc80z> yikes
Aug 29 06:27:54 <oc80z>        39 quiltit
Aug 29 06:28:06 <oc80z> Hows preware going????????
Aug 29 06:28:12 <oc80z> smashing
Aug 29 06:28:15 <oc80z> ?
Aug 29 06:28:16 <oil> maybe ill just checkout the terminal app and add a small row of buttons at the bottom for special keys xD
Aug 29 06:29:18 <oil> haha
Aug 29 06:29:31 <oil> its nowhere, thats where
Aug 29 06:30:24 <oc80z> LIES!
Aug 29 06:30:33 <oil> what?
Aug 29 06:30:44 <oc80z> im installin it now
Aug 29 06:31:04 <eztech_> anyone using the keyboard? onscreen? via preware?
Aug 29 06:31:18 <oc80z> *sigh* there is no space with it?
Aug 29 06:31:43 <psykoz> I am, and have used it before its preware install
Aug 29 06:31:55 <psykoz> re: OSK
Aug 29 06:32:05 <eztech_> how do i install it without preware?
Aug 29 06:32:13 <eztech_> like via root wats the command?
Aug 29 06:32:40 <oil> install OSK
Aug 29 06:32:47 <destinal> oil: yeah I think a row on the bottom would be cool, if it changed with different states of keys like orange, shift, sym, etc it would be even better.  and I wonder about sym+something to pop up a symbol keypad like the normal one
Aug 29 06:33:07 <oil> how exactly does the plugin work?
Aug 29 06:33:10 <eztech_> i wish i cud get it working lol
Aug 29 06:33:12 * oil hasnt looked at the app code
Aug 29 06:33:15 <eztech_> doesnt seem to work for me
Aug 29 06:33:26 <oil> like a <object> tag or something?
Aug 29 06:33:33 <destinal> oil: yes, it's an embed tag
Aug 29 06:33:36 <oil> ah
Aug 29 06:33:45 <oil> so, you can still do whatever
Aug 29 06:33:50 <destinal> the plugin exposes javascript methods
Aug 29 06:34:05 <oil> like its named id=plugin
Aug 29 06:34:10 <oil> and you run the stuff off that
Aug 29 06:34:15 <oc80z> lulz preware is d0pe
Aug 29 06:34:20 <oil> it is
Aug 29 06:34:20 <destinal> yeah
Aug 29 06:34:22 <oil> i agree
Aug 29 06:34:23 <oil> but, im partial
Aug 29 06:35:00 <destinal> oil: I bet if you looked at the mojo code it would make sense to you
Aug 29 06:35:00 <oil> destinal: no qualms with me screwing it up?
Aug 29 06:35:11 <destinal> oil: have at
Aug 29 06:35:14 <oil> lol
Aug 29 06:35:17 <destinal> glad to have help :)
Aug 29 06:35:24 <oc80z> quickqueue is bomb+
Aug 29 06:35:32 <oil> any thoughts on design?
Aug 29 06:35:37 <eztech_> how come virtual keyboard shows its installed yet it still wont work via preware?
Aug 29 06:35:37 <oc80z> smooth
Aug 29 06:35:39 <oil> i was thinking 2 or so rows of buttons
Aug 29 06:35:41 <oil> that are always visible
Aug 29 06:35:54 <oc80z> o kb?
Aug 29 06:36:06 <oc80z> wheres teh space?
Aug 29 06:36:12 <destinal> I had thought one row always visible, but I guess it would depend on how much space was needed to make it work well
Aug 29 06:36:45 <destinal> and I would change the row based on meta key status
Aug 29 06:37:01 <destinal> so you could overload it as 4 rows essentially
Aug 29 06:37:06 <destinal> in one
Aug 29 06:37:13 <oil> yeah
Aug 29 06:37:33 <oil> but some keys you would want quick access to
Aug 29 06:37:34 <oil> like
Aug 29 06:37:36 <oil> control and escape?
Aug 29 06:37:37 <destinal> and then I think I still want to call the regular sym button function
Aug 29 06:37:41 <oil> delete?
Aug 29 06:37:50 <destinal> maybe as a gui button
Aug 29 06:38:30 <destinal> well, control is sym so we don't need it on that bar
Aug 29 06:38:41 <oil> yeah
Aug 29 06:39:15 <destinal> but escape, yeah, I think orange-space isn't exactly obvious
Aug 29 06:39:26 <destinal> and you usually want escape fast
Aug 29 06:39:40 <oil> yeah
Aug 29 06:40:09 <oil> what about
Aug 29 06:40:15 <oil> sym as control
Aug 29 06:40:20 <oil> orange as escape
Aug 29 06:40:31 <oil> and gesture taps to scroll the row of onscreen buttons
Aug 29 06:40:41 <oil> er, switch them
Aug 29 06:40:54 <oil> ?
Aug 29 06:41:01 <destinal> well, orange is orange, people will want to be able to use the alternate keys on the keyboard
Aug 29 06:41:16 <oil> right now its just for esc and pipe
Aug 29 06:41:25 <destinal> not at all
Aug 29 06:41:33 <oil> right
Aug 29 06:41:37 <oil> and all the other orange-buttons
Aug 29 06:41:50 <destinal> yeah
Aug 29 06:42:02 <oil> maybe ill download the code and check it out
Aug 29 06:42:26 <destinal> so I forgot, we turned off the javascript method for being sent a key code
Aug 29 06:42:33 <destinal> from mojo
Aug 29 06:42:56 <oil> its all being captured directly to the plugin?
Aug 29 06:43:09 <eztech_> I LOVE THE ONSCREEN KEYBOARD!
Aug 29 06:43:09 <destinal> yeah, if it's focused, luna sends it keycodes direct
Aug 29 06:43:32 <oil> ah
Aug 29 06:43:38 <destinal> the biggest reason to disable the function was security also
Aug 29 06:43:40 <Eguy> a little laggy but it works great
Aug 29 06:43:47 <Eguy> but what isn't laggy on the Pre
Aug 29 06:43:54 <eztech_> good point
Aug 29 06:43:54 <destinal> we don't want random mojo apps to be able to embed the plugin and stuff it keys
Aug 29 06:44:01 <oil> yeah
Aug 29 06:44:03 <oil> makes sense
Aug 29 06:44:13 <eztech_> everything shud be faster with the fast proccessor....
Aug 29 06:44:23 <Eguy> SHOULD be, yes
Aug 29 06:44:29 <Eguy> Is it? Nope
Aug 29 06:44:52 <Eguy> boot time is rediculous
Aug 29 06:44:58 <destinal> oil: so that will be a big problem for the mojo keyboard stuff
Aug 29 06:45:04 <oil> yeah
Aug 29 06:45:09 <oil> it pretty much throws my idea out the window
Aug 29 06:45:09 <destinal> we could do some kind of security handoff function
Aug 29 06:45:10 <oil> lol
Aug 29 06:45:24 <destinal> well the reason we prompted for a root password before
Aug 29 06:45:29 <destinal> was to avoid the whole issue
Aug 29 06:45:36 <oil> but then you had to set a root password
Aug 29 06:45:39 <destinal> yeah
Aug 29 06:45:43 <oil> what about
Aug 29 06:45:56 <oil> adding more stuff to the plugin
Aug 29 06:45:56 <oil> like
Aug 29 06:46:01 <oil> sendEscape()
Aug 29 06:46:14 <destinal> or we could whitelist valid chars to be sent
Aug 29 06:46:21 <oil> yeah
Aug 29 06:46:26 <oil> but if we're just doing specific ones
Aug 29 06:46:35 <oil> you could just do it for them
Aug 29 06:46:56 <destinal> sure, I'm just a little nervous that it'll become a huge list of functions over time
Aug 29 06:47:09 <oil> well there is only so many keys
Aug 29 06:47:09 <oil> lol
Aug 29 06:47:21 <oil> but yeah, a sendKey() function
Aug 29 06:47:24 <oil> that only allows certain stuff
Aug 29 06:47:31 <destinal> yeah
Aug 29 06:47:36 <oil> would work for a small row of buttons
Aug 29 06:48:10 <oil> obviously one "view" should be arrows and the home row
Aug 29 06:48:34 <oil> im sure they could all fit in two rows
Aug 29 06:48:58 <oil> then its <> | {} pipe escape
Aug 29 06:49:12 <oil> er, except i said pipe twice
Aug 29 06:49:13 <oil> lol
Aug 29 06:49:21 <destinal> :)
Aug 29 06:49:47 <oil> though <> | {}
Aug 29 06:49:51 <eztech_> iphone has background services enable app
Aug 29 06:49:55 <oil> would all be in that standard sym screen
Aug 29 06:49:59 <eztech_> which sucks for us pres!
Aug 29 06:50:15 <oil> eztech_ it requires jailbreaking though
Aug 29 06:51:37 <destinal> oil: well, if you feel like hacking on it, feel free.. I can always work along with you and add in the exposed methods if you'd rather stay on the js side
Aug 29 06:52:16 <destinal> if you're good with c / c++, that's cool too
Aug 29 06:52:20 <oil> yeah
Aug 29 06:52:20 <oil> im not
Aug 29 06:52:21 <oil> haha
Aug 29 06:52:34 <destinal> and I'm not so hot with mojo
Aug 29 06:52:38 <destinal> so that's cool  :)
Aug 29 06:52:45 <oil> lol
Aug 29 06:53:15 <destinal> ok, I've been meaning to go to bed for the last hour
Aug 29 06:53:19 <destinal> so I really will this time
Aug 29 06:53:30 <oil> lol
Aug 29 06:53:35 <destinal> night all
Aug 29 06:53:38 <oil> im sure ill be askin questions tomorrow
Aug 29 06:53:41 <oil> later
Aug 29 06:54:06 <destinal-sleep> oil: sounds like a plan :)
Aug 29 06:55:31 <Eguy> lol!!!
Aug 29 06:57:34 <JaSonx> evening guys
Aug 29 06:57:54 <oil> which is safe to say, cause there definitely isn't any chicks on the interwebs
Aug 29 06:58:08 <JaSonx> whats the quilt command to remove a patch instead of all of them ?
Aug 29 06:58:15 * oil doesnt
Aug 29 06:58:18 <JaSonx> lol oil
Aug 29 06:58:25 <Eguy> lol!!!
Aug 29 06:58:29 <Eguy> nice one
Aug 29 06:58:56 <Eguy> look where you are oil...fat chance in here LOL
Aug 29 07:00:54 <JaSonx> ah i just want to remove one of the patches i have applied
Aug 29 07:00:59 <oil> JaSonx: i dont know anything about quilt
Aug 29 07:01:03 <JaSonx> its ok
Aug 29 07:01:14 <JaSonx> im sure someone knows but its late lol
Aug 29 07:01:15 <oil> im sure its on the wiki somewhere
Aug 29 07:01:21 <v3ritas> have you tried quilt pop path/to/patch ?
Aug 29 07:01:22 <oil> im sure you're not hte first to want to remove a patch
Aug 29 07:01:23 <oil> haha
Aug 29 07:01:25 <JaSonx> i couldnt find it
Aug 29 07:01:39 <JaSonx> quilt pop uninstalls all of them
Aug 29 07:01:53 <v3ritas> quilt pop -a uninstalls all of them
Aug 29 07:01:58 <JaSonx> yes
Aug 29 07:02:38 <JaSonx> root@castle:/# quilt pop /opt/src/patches/message-orientation.patch
Aug 29 07:02:38 <JaSonx> No patch removed
Aug 29 07:02:38 <JaSonx> thats what i get
Aug 29 07:03:09 <eztech_> anyone know how to landscape my msgs?
Aug 29 07:03:16 <v3ritas> lol
Aug 29 07:03:32 <v3ritas> ^ The same patch JaSonx is removing
Aug 29 07:03:38 <JaSonx> lol
Aug 29 07:03:38 <eztech_> lol
Aug 29 07:03:44 <eztech_> why wud he remove it?
Aug 29 07:03:53 <v3ritas> I was thinking of removing it too
Aug 29 07:03:58 <eztech_> does it make it forced landscape?
Aug 29 07:04:07 <v3ritas> no, orientation-sensing
Aug 29 07:04:18 <eztech_> how wud i install it lol
Aug 29 07:04:29 <v3ritas> did you see fritos' post?
Aug 29 07:04:39 <JaSonx> cd /
Aug 29 07:04:39 <JaSonx> wget http://filebin.ca/sxrbkp/message-orientation.patch
Aug 29 07:04:39 <JaSonx> quilt import message-orientation.patch
Aug 29 07:04:39 <JaSonx> quilt push -a -f
Aug 29 07:04:39 <JaSonx> stop LunaSysMgr && start LunaSysMgr
Aug 29 07:04:42 <v3ritas> JaSonx, what's the last patch in your quilt series?
Aug 29 07:04:43 <JaSonx> thats how
Aug 29 07:04:54 <JaSonx> the message orientation
Aug 29 07:05:04 <eztech_> i dont know how to use quilt lol
Aug 29 07:05:13 <eztech_> anyone wana give me a quick rundown
Aug 29 07:05:15 <JaSonx> ez have you even installed it ?
Aug 29 07:05:15 <v3ritas> extech: have you even set it up?
Aug 29 07:05:29 <eztech_> not sure if i did lol
Aug 29 07:05:29 <JaSonx> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Applying_Patches
Aug 29 07:05:39 <JaSonx> well read that likn
Aug 29 07:05:41 <JaSonx> link
Aug 29 07:05:46 <JaSonx> its easy
Aug 29 07:05:57 <eztech_> ill let you know if i need help
Aug 29 07:06:02 <JaSonx> lol ok
Aug 29 07:10:53 <eztech_> how do i import patches?
Aug 29 07:11:02 <v3ritas> quilt import
Aug 29 07:11:10 <v3ritas> quilt import insert/path/to/patch
Aug 29 07:13:10 <eztech_> o
Aug 29 07:19:07 <rwhitby> re
Aug 29 07:19:41 <rwhitby> any outstanding Preware or Virtual Keyboard installation problems?
Aug 29 07:20:34 <oc80z> no, clean.
Aug 29 07:20:44 <oc80z> cept for that 1 on the board
Aug 29 07:20:53 <oc80z> brb
Aug 29 07:21:00 <oc80z> i think it was closed
Aug 29 07:21:16 <v3ritas> Was the Virtual Keyboard kind of a test for patching through Preware?
Aug 29 07:24:45 <oc80z> i cant stop sneezing h1n1
Aug 29 07:25:03 <edektor> anybody know if the camera service is restricted to palm?
Aug 29 07:30:23 <rwhitby> v3ritas: virtual keyboard was a sinister marketing ploy purely designed to get Preware onto as many devices as possible, so they can ultimately be used to build SkyNet and rule the world.
Aug 29 07:33:39 <v3ritas> =O
Aug 29 07:33:44 <v3ritas> Really?!?!  Can i help?!
Aug 29 07:40:22 <edektor> where are all the services stored again?
Aug 29 07:43:52 <eztech_> omg my phone seems to be perma frozen!
Aug 29 07:44:14 <eztech_> its sooo laggy my phone!
Aug 29 07:44:29 <eztech_> os quickinstall damm joo!
Aug 29 07:47:03 <oil> its teh postinst scripts
Aug 29 07:47:08 <oil> for services
Aug 29 07:47:11 <oil> they restart java
Aug 29 08:15:00 <oc80z> ughkz http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Patch_webOS_Radio_Power_Switch#Installation
Aug 29 08:24:57 <oc80z> oh this kb is ancient
Aug 29 08:30:26 <oc80z> *shrug*
Aug 29 08:30:33 <oc80z> bout to just reimage
Aug 29 08:31:41 <oc80z> i want that kb and that radio/off
Aug 29 14:13:28 <MLJones8> Hey all, does anyone know if the quickinstall app is using any force functions when installing tweaks?
Aug 29 14:57:23 <alienseer23> is there a way to get ogg and xvid codecs into webos?
Aug 29 15:24:16 <TheBat> MSN on the Pre
Aug 29 15:24:17 <TheBat> Possible?
Aug 29 15:25:14 <AnOutsider> anything is possible I suppose
Aug 29 15:25:18 <AnOutsider> has it happened yet? nah haha
Aug 29 15:58:53 <DdAaDd> Hi all...
Aug 29 15:58:59 <DdAaDd> I need help with the Css files..
Aug 29 16:00:24 <DdAaDd> I want to edit some Text - lables and Icons that now shown in this format : icon in right, text-lable in left.
Aug 29 16:01:08 <DdAaDd> I want to change it to be in the opposite way, icon in left, text-lable in right.
Aug 29 16:01:10 <DdAaDd> how to do that?
Aug 29 16:01:12 <DdAaDd> plz help me..
Aug 29 16:01:14 <DdAaDd> anybody?
Aug 29 16:01:26 <AnOutsider> can you firstly wait for someoen to respond before flooding the chat
Aug 29 16:01:35 <AnOutsider> secondly, you need to edit the CSS
Aug 29 16:01:47 <AnOutsider> http://www.w3schools.com/css/
Aug 29 16:01:53 <AnOutsider> check there for a good CSS reference
Aug 29 16:04:00 <DdAaDd> Yes, but I dont know which CSs deal with each page in the palm application...
Aug 29 16:04:38 <DdAaDd> AnOutsider..?
Aug 29 16:04:57 <bpadalino> sounds like a good time to learn
Aug 29 16:05:20 <DdAaDd> Can I show u an example
Aug 29 16:05:21 <DdAaDd> ?
Aug 29 16:06:30 <bpadalino> don't paste it into the channel - paste it online then link it ...
Aug 29 16:06:51 <bpadalino> moreover, i am an idiot and don't know anything about css - so you can show me all you want ... i can't be very helpful
Aug 29 16:07:08 <DdAaDd> what about u AnOutsider?
Aug 29 16:07:28 <bpadalino> a novel concept would be to try it out and see what happens
Aug 29 16:07:38 <DdAaDd> do u understand it better?
Aug 29 16:07:50 <DdAaDd> nothing happends..
Aug 29 16:07:57 <DdAaDd> I play with it few hours..
Aug 29 16:07:59 <bpadalino> give a man a fish ... yadda yadda ...
Aug 29 16:08:02 <DdAaDd> nothing happends
Aug 29 16:08:17 <bpadalino> did you restart luna after making your changes ?
Aug 29 16:08:45 <DdAaDd> of course..
Aug 29 16:08:58 <bpadalino> i suggest changing something else then
Aug 29 16:11:35 <AnOutsider> you really should understand the base srtup of the palm applications first -- that'll get you editing the right CSS file
Aug 29 16:11:55 <AnOutsider> secondly, you should understand the base concepts of CSS if you don't, that'll get you making the proper changes
Aug 29 16:12:13 <AnOutsider> but if you want, I can take a look at your CSS. Paste it here; http://webos.pastebin.com/
Aug 29 16:12:17 <AnOutsider> then link us
Aug 29 16:12:22 <DdAaDd> Ok...
Aug 29 16:12:24 <DdAaDd> here it is..
Aug 29 16:13:24 <DdAaDd> http://webos.pastebin.com/m52af6471
Aug 29 16:13:57 <atlanta> wsup people
Aug 29 16:14:17 <DdAaDd> look at lines 148.. and 157
Aug 29 16:14:37 <DdAaDd> I want to put profiles-clip.png icon on right, and the text on left.
Aug 29 16:14:40 <DdAaDd> What I should do?
Aug 29 16:14:55 <AnOutsider> try changing the float to right?
Aug 29 16:15:22 <AnOutsider> then you'll want to change padding-right to padding-left at line 152
Aug 29 16:18:39 <DdAaDd> did
Aug 29 16:18:45 <DdAaDd> that the first thing I did
Aug 29 16:19:42 <atlanta> DdAaDd: what are you trying to do
Aug 29 16:19:43 <atlanta> ?
Aug 29 16:20:57 <DdAaDd> in this Css...?
Aug 29 16:21:02 <DdAaDd> I want to put profiles-clip.png icon on right, and the text on left.
Aug 29 16:21:48 <AnOutsider> you might also have to alter the HTML to put the icon AFTER the title text
Aug 29 16:21:59 <AnOutsider> that or add float:left; to the class on line 164
Aug 29 16:28:51 <DdAaDd> Still it's on the same places...
Aug 29 16:29:03 <DdAaDd> whare I was befor I made those changes..
Aug 29 16:29:58 <AnOutsider> are you sure you're editing the right file?
Aug 29 16:30:08 <AnOutsider> make a radical change like changing the textcolor to red
Aug 29 16:30:26 <AnOutsider> see if that change picks up. That way you'll at least know if your changes are being registered or not
Aug 29 17:08:13 <DdAaDd> it says in the stylesheet file L
Aug 29 17:08:15 <DdAaDd> :
Aug 29 17:08:25 <DdAaDd>  if you make a change to the style below, please remember to mirror it in the localized stylesheets
Aug 29 17:08:26 <DdAaDd>  (to be found under /resources/xx_xx/stylesheets/)
Aug 29 17:08:40 <DdAaDd> Should I link it in another file?
Aug 29 17:09:13 <AnOutsider> did you try what was suggested above?
Aug 29 17:10:18 <DdAaDd> I did
Aug 29 17:10:42 <symos> Quick question: I'm playing around with the json files in the virtual KB, but need a quick way to see the changes without doing a full reboot.
Aug 29 17:10:56 <atlanta> symos: stop LunaSysMgr
Aug 29 17:10:58 <atlanta> then do
Aug 29 17:10:59 <symos> Anyone knows how to "reset" the keyboard without a reboot?
Aug 29 17:11:00 <DdAaDd> Is it enough only to put the styleshees file in this directoy?
Aug 29 17:11:04 <atlanta> start LunaSysMgr
Aug 29 17:11:08 <DdAaDd> nothing else needed to do?
Aug 29 17:11:15 <DdAaDd> AnOutsider?
Aug 29 17:11:24 <AnOutsider> huh
Aug 29 17:11:28 <atlanta> symos: and when changing the .json i dont believe u even need to reboot
Aug 29 17:11:36 <AnOutsider> did ut ry what I suggested? if so, what was the outcome?
Aug 29 17:11:38 <atlanta> symos: just make the changes then open up the keyboard
Aug 29 17:12:05 <atlanta> DdAaDd: i good suggestion will be get it to show up on your computer in a .html file then pretty much will get it working in the app
Aug 29 17:12:15 <symos> atlanta: you need a reboot, I checked, I'll try the LunaSysMgr service that you suggested
Aug 29 17:13:08 <atlanta> symos: when i change the style i dont have to reboot just reopen it
Aug 29 17:13:22 <atlanta> symos: but the Luna service will work
Aug 29 17:14:02 <symos> atlanta: I make changes to the characters in the jsons (investigating the possibility of a "language pack") and don't see the changes unless I reboot
Aug 29 17:14:21 <atlanta> oh ok  the character one
Aug 29 17:14:26 <atlanta> thought you ment the config one sorry
Aug 29 17:15:17 <DdAaDd> what u mean? atlanta?
Aug 29 17:16:04 <atlanta> DdAaDd: what i do when i make my apps i build the looks of them in a html on my pc
Aug 29 17:16:17 <atlanta> then put it on the pre and code the inside of it around the design
Aug 29 17:16:46 <atlanta> DdAaDd: so play around with the css and html on your pc to get how u want it to show
Aug 29 17:17:07 <atlanta> DdAaDd: probably will be faster also than making changes on the PRE then having to restart Luna etc
Aug 29 17:19:24 <DdAaDd> Should I need to do it with Komodo??
Aug 29 17:22:24 <AnOutsider> you can do it in any text editor
Aug 29 17:37:55 <symos> When I change an english character in the kbchars_fulltable.json file with a greek one and type it on the keyboard, all I get is a block character instead of the greek character
Aug 29 17:38:10 <symos> something to do with encoding? any ideas?
Aug 29 17:38:42 <symos> it's not that the Pre doesn't support greek or anything as I have synced all my calendars and contacts and they display fine
Aug 29 17:39:24 <Rick_work> symos -- it saddly isn't that simple.
Aug 29 17:39:45 <Rick_work> how are you putting in the greek character?
Aug 29 17:39:49 <symos> (I really hoped it was :-D )
Aug 29 17:39:59 <symos> with vi through putty
Aug 29 17:40:03 <Rick_work> no
Aug 29 17:40:07 <Rick_work> that's not what I ment.
Aug 29 17:40:26 <Rick_work> What are you entering in the place where you want to enter a greek character?
Aug 29 17:40:29 <Rick_work> and in which field?
Aug 29 17:41:45 <symos> ok, let me explain this better: I vi the kbchars_fulltable.json file. I find one line with an english character, e.g. keycode 69 which is "e"
Aug 29 17:41:59 <Rick_work> nodnod
Aug 29 17:42:20 <symos> I change it to the greek character "e" and then open the virtual kb in the emulator, say in messaging
Aug 29 17:42:27 <Rick_work> wait
Aug 29 17:42:33 <symos> now when I press "e" instead of "e" I get a block
Aug 29 17:42:54 <Rick_work> When you say you change it to the greek character "e" -- what --- EXACTLY -- are you typing in that space where the e used to be?
Aug 29 17:43:31 <symos> I change my keyboard (in Windows) to greek and just type "e". And the greek character "e" appears. Then I save and close
Aug 29 17:43:39 <Rick_work> that will not work
Aug 29 17:43:47 <Rick_work> you're putting in a windows codepage e.
Aug 29 17:43:55 <Rick_work> You need to enter a unicode e
Aug 29 17:43:55 <symos> oh
Aug 29 17:44:11 <Rick_work> wait one
Aug 29 17:44:31 <symos> If i do it from Linux will it be ok? Or will it still need sth different?
Aug 29 17:44:38 <Rick_work> nope
Aug 29 17:44:44 <Rick_work> it will not NESSESARILY be right
Aug 29 17:44:50 <Rick_work> wait, I'll give you the codings.
Aug 29 17:44:51 <Rick_work> hold on
Aug 29 17:47:58 <Rick_work> http://htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/entities/symbols.html
Aug 29 17:48:07 <Rick_work> you will need to enter them as html entities.
Aug 29 17:48:16 <Rick_work> that table will give you the coding
Aug 29 17:48:19 <Rick_work> use the first column
Aug 29 17:48:56 <Rick_work> so for instance  &epsilon;
Aug 29 17:49:07 <Rick_work> I did _say_ it was tricky...
Aug 29 17:49:24 <Rick_work> but -everything you see in mojo- is rendered html
Aug 29 17:49:32 <Rick_work> and so using html entities is the logical thing to do.
Aug 29 17:49:34 <Rick_work> ;-)
Aug 29 17:51:31 <symos> ok, I'll play around and see where this gets me. It shouldn't be that tricky to just convert 26 characters in a file! At least that's what I'm hoping :-)
Aug 29 17:51:32 <Rick_work> symos you could also do the unicode encoding
Aug 29 17:51:39 <Rick_work> it'snot 26
Aug 29 17:51:47 <Rick_work> you have to do the upper and lower SEPERATELY
Aug 29 17:51:53 <Rick_work> and if you have toruble with the entities
Aug 29 17:52:18 <symos> well OK, 52 then
Aug 29 17:52:25 <Rick_work> you can use unicode instead "U+0370" to "U+03FF"  is the basic code page for greek
Aug 29 17:52:41 <symos> how do I input unicode though? I think I'd rather do that
Aug 29 17:52:41 <Rick_work> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_alphabet#Greek_in_Unicode
Aug 29 17:53:12 <Rick_work> "U+0394"  is an upper case delta
Aug 29 17:53:32 <Rick_work> there's a nice table on the wikipedia page I linked.
Aug 29 17:53:33 <symos> so I change "D" to "U+0394"?
Aug 29 17:53:40 <Rick_work> nodnod
Aug 29 17:53:45 <Rick_work> but try _one_
Aug 29 17:53:53 <symos> yeah, I will..
Aug 29 17:53:55 <Rick_work> because if that doesn't work, you're back to html entities....
Aug 29 17:53:59 <Rick_work> but it SHOULD work.
Aug 29 17:54:04 <Rick_work> I think
Aug 29 17:54:06 <symos> great, that shoulnd't take long
Aug 29 17:54:26 <Rick_work> and be VERY CAREFUL.  The file is "touchy"
Aug 29 17:54:53 <Rick_work> so,  hard kb in english, soft kb in Greek.
Aug 29 17:54:55 <Rick_work> Cool.
Aug 29 17:55:15 <Rick_work> Note that you could extend the symbols table too, so you could always just SCROLL DOWN to the greek.....
Aug 29 17:55:20 <symos> yes, and hopefully one day, soft kb with the ability to switch between languages
Aug 29 17:55:31 <Rick_work> that would be cool.
Aug 29 17:55:36 <Rick_work> When he gets back, talk to eric.
Aug 29 17:55:40 <Rick_work> egaudet on irc
Aug 29 17:55:44 <Rick_work> emoney on the forums
Aug 29 17:56:11 <symos> I will..I'm not in a real hurry, GSM version isn't even out for another couple of months, hehe
Aug 29 17:56:16 <symos> just really excited
Aug 29 17:58:48 <symos> I tried changing "e" to "U+03B5" and when I click on "e" on the keyboard, the output is U+03B5 !
Aug 29 18:02:30 <symos> and "&epsilon;" just outputs &epsilon;. Damn
Aug 29 18:05:54 <symos> I'll try editing the json in Komodo using "UTF-8" as the encoding and see what happens..Anyone knows how to transfer files from/to the emulator in Windows?
Aug 29 18:09:21 <zomg> symos: I think you should be able to use sftp
Aug 29 18:09:37 <zomg> just connect to it like you'd connect to it via ssh
Aug 29 18:10:00 <symos> i'll try that, thanks!
Aug 29 18:12:21 <Rick_work> symos, winscp is the easiest
Aug 29 18:12:42 <Rick_work> &epsilon; should have worked.  :-(
Aug 29 18:13:02 <Rick_work> re transfering.  winscp is dead easy.  look it up on the wiki
Aug 29 18:13:50 <symos> ok, I will...unfortunately none of the 2 worked..My faith is in komodo, it's good in specifying encodings
Aug 29 18:29:09 <Splmonster> hey all
Aug 29 18:29:16 <v3ritas> hey spl
Aug 29 18:29:38 <Splmonster> So i'm trying Quick install tweaks 2.02
Aug 29 18:29:47 <Splmonster> Any issues with freezing? I'm seeing a few
Aug 29 18:29:49 <v3ritas> It's out already?
Aug 29 18:29:51 <Splmonster> posters
Aug 29 18:29:53 <Splmonster> Yes
Aug 29 18:30:00 <v3ritas> sweeeeeeet
Aug 29 18:30:07 <Splmonster> added some nice stuff
Aug 29 18:30:32 * v3ritas logs into PreCentral to download it
Aug 29 18:30:49 <Eguy> oooooo new one
Aug 29 18:31:12 * oil <<3 jason
Aug 29 18:31:24 <Splmonster> Yeah i'm doing some testing, because some users are complaining of freezing with text forwarding and 4x4 icons on together, so far no freezing for me
Aug 29 18:31:50 <v3ritas> I didn't think it would be out until nxt week
Aug 29 18:32:09 <Splmonster> Well about 3 days ago Jason said a few days. So i figured this weekend
Aug 29 18:32:48 <Splmonster> Overall everything is working good
Aug 29 18:33:00 <psykoz> have to manually install the package, not on any of the feeds yet?
Aug 29 18:33:01 <Splmonster> Is it possible to say I wanna marry my phone? haha
Aug 29 18:33:13 <Splmonster> Yes quick install is a manual install
Aug 29 18:34:18 <destinal> symos: but what's the point of having a keyboard labeled with greek characters when it still generates the same key codes?
Aug 29 18:34:40 <v3ritas> Hm, anyone have an issue updating / installing Music (Remix) with Preware?
Aug 29 18:34:43 <Splmonster> The best way I update quick install... Delete just the quick install icon and download new one.
Aug 29 18:34:48 <psykoz> where at on precentral is the tweaks forum post?
Aug 29 18:34:54 <Splmonster> I did it last night, worked fine
Aug 29 18:35:02 <v3ritas> osykoz: Homebrew > Quick Install
Aug 29 18:35:37 <psykoz> okay thanks ;)
Aug 29 18:35:44 <v3ritas> no problem
Aug 29 18:35:52 <Splmonster> veritas you having music remix issues? I tried it last night and it installed fine for me
Aug 29 18:36:47 <v3ritas> I had i believe ver 0.6.0, tried updating today to 0.6.2 in Preware & couldn't do it.  Removed it & tried again, no luck.  I finally just installed the ipk through QuickInstall
Aug 29 18:37:08 <symos> +destinal: I'm not trying to change the labels (that's as easy as changing the graphics, I'll do it later). I'm trying to change the characters the keyboars generates
Aug 29 18:37:13 <Splmonster> Right now 6.1 is on Preware and yes i'm having issues installing it
Aug 29 18:37:32 <destinal> symos: I don't think that's possible
Aug 29 18:37:35 <Splmonster> I have the 5.2 which I installed last night, now 6.1 is having issues
Aug 29 18:37:37 <v3ritas> The IPK worked fine, opens / etc on my pre
Aug 29 18:37:54 <v3ritas> i suggest QuickInstall.  The IPK is in the post
Aug 29 18:38:00 <Splmonster> Okay let me try that
Aug 29 18:38:11 <symos> +destinal: Why not? Each button on the keyboard can generate whichever character you want it to.
Aug 29 18:38:36 <v3ritas> Splmonster: btw, i did remove it before using QuickInstall
Aug 29 18:38:46 <destinal> symos: don't they generate palm-specific keycodes ?
Aug 29 18:39:06 <destinal> ie whatever code you send has to be supported by the underlying infrastructure
Aug 29 18:39:14 <Splmonster> hey veritas did you go through the feeds? Cause that one doesn't work either
Aug 29 18:39:28 <v3ritas> Nope, downloaded the IPK from the post
Aug 29 18:39:34 <Splmonster> okay let me try
Aug 29 18:39:50 <v3ritas> lol, my store's website blows
Aug 29 18:40:07 <symos> each keycode is mapped to a character. You can change the character it's mapped to. As for support, the OS supports unicode, so it should be fine with most languages
Aug 29 18:40:07 <Splmonster> Your store?
Aug 29 18:40:19 <v3ritas> Well, not //my// store, the one i work at
Aug 29 18:40:39 <symos> As I said before, I've already synced my contacts which are in Greek, and they display fine
Aug 29 18:41:15 <Splmonster> Okay installed ipk fine
Aug 29 18:41:26 <destinal> symos: right, I thought that the character key passing was different
Aug 29 18:41:32 <Splmonster> I think it's because the feed and Preware have 6.1 and that one was having issues
Aug 29 18:41:52 <Splmonster> A similar issue was happening with Golfpinfinder
Aug 29 18:41:59 <destinal> symos: I haven't done much research on it, will have to check it out
Aug 29 18:42:03 <v3ritas> Just happy we could get it working
Aug 29 18:42:29 <Splmonster> Yeah for sure, it's much more refined then the Palm music player
Aug 29 18:42:33 <symos> +destinal: me neither, I'm just experimenting now! But I'm really hoping it'll work
Aug 29 18:42:58 <Splmonster> I hope they work on the vitrual key, and make them taller or easier to hit
Aug 29 18:43:29 <v3ritas> Yeah.  Right now i just really use it for a quick reply here & there
Aug 29 18:44:31 <v3ritas> Anyone setup a server for Ampache yet?
Aug 29 18:44:41 * oil did once long ago
Aug 29 18:44:43 <Splmonster> Yeah me too, cause i'm a big fan of how the physical key is
Aug 29 18:44:46 * oil even submitted some code
Aug 29 18:44:56 <Splmonster> hey oil...
Aug 29 18:45:09 <v3ritas> I'm just looking to setup something simple in Jaunty so i can stream all my music while i'm at work
Aug 29 18:45:10 <oil> hey
Aug 29 18:45:27 <Splmonster> So any plans for new programs?
Aug 29 18:45:32 <oil> all sorts
Aug 29 18:45:44 <Splmonster> Nice... Glad to hear, you gonna do anything to XBL friends?
Aug 29 18:45:55 <oil> eventually
Aug 29 18:46:06 <Splmonster> I love it, not much more it can have
Aug 29 18:46:20 <Splmonster> Except maybe showing achievements but thats not a big deal
Aug 29 18:46:27 <oil> and its not possible
Aug 29 18:46:31 <Splmonster> Really?
Aug 29 18:46:38 <oil> there is no feed for achievements
Aug 29 18:46:52 <Splmonster> Oh gotcha, what about being able to sign in as your on XBL?
Aug 29 18:47:09 <oil> maybe you should read the entire xbl friends thread before asking these questions
Aug 29 18:47:26 <Splmonster> I have... It was the first program I had
Aug 29 18:47:35 <Splmonster> Been a fan ever since
Aug 29 18:47:44 <oil> well i know ive answered both those questions multiple times
Aug 29 18:47:59 <Splmonster> Oh I have only read the first post by you. sorry man
Aug 29 18:48:26 <Splmonster> Hey i was wondering is it possible to have a full streaming netflix app?
Aug 29 18:48:26 <oil> im pretty sure they're even in the faq in the first post they've been asked and answered so much
Aug 29 18:48:38 <oil> i dont know anything about netfix
Aug 29 18:48:59 <Splmonster> Oh gotcha... Yeah Dellydel has created a slick netflix app, but would be cool to stream
Aug 29 18:49:18 <oil> it downloads?
Aug 29 18:49:29 <v3ritas> Not sure if it would be possible.  The Netflix site requires certain OS / browser / & i believe it needs to install something
Aug 29 18:49:30 <Splmonster> No but shows almost everything but that
Aug 29 18:49:36 <v3ritas> I can't stream movies on Jaunty
Aug 29 18:49:52 <Splmonster> I really want a directv app for my DVR
Aug 29 18:50:41 <Splmonster> So a buddy of mine within the Verizon Corporate showed that they are getting Pre and EOS webos devices early nxt year
Aug 29 18:50:53 <Splmonster> It's already in the inventory list
Aug 29 18:51:35 <Splmonster> I guess thats cool for them, im still a bigger fan of Sprints faster 3G and cheaper data plans
Aug 29 18:51:54 <v3ritas> I've had much better service with Sprint over Verizon & AT&T
Aug 29 18:52:05 <Splmonster> Yeah me too
Aug 29 18:52:16 <Splmonster> Sprints 3G is effin quick
Aug 29 18:53:36 <Splmonster> Not to mention 100 for unlim everything is a damn good deal
Aug 29 18:54:03 <v3ritas> I have simply everything with 450min.  I only really use my phone at night & on weekends so i barely touch my minutes
Aug 29 18:54:24 <Splmonster> Yeah I have my own business and this is my only phone, no point to have a landline
Aug 29 18:55:31 <v3ritas> omg yes =D  No more annoying key press tones in the phone app
Aug 29 18:55:44 <Splmonster> Yeah it's nice, the vib is cool
Aug 29 18:55:59 <v3ritas> much better
Aug 29 18:56:06 <Splmonster> Indeed
Aug 29 18:56:39 <Splmonster> So whens the exact day for Palm releasing the App catalog out of beta?
Aug 29 18:57:53 <bpadalino> it'll happen when it happens, right ?
Aug 29 18:57:55 <Splmonster> I really want Palm to get this thing out, the stock for them is dropping
Aug 29 18:57:57 <psykoz> well, since they're talking about a beta "ecommerce" catalog
Aug 29 18:58:13 <psykoz> I'm guessing they intend on keeping it beta for another bit of time
Aug 29 18:58:28 <psykoz> unless they're going to have 2 app catalogs which sounds dumb
Aug 29 18:58:53 <Splmonster> I keep hearing Sep, but i dunno if thats 100% true
Aug 29 18:59:18 <Splmonster> Hey is there anyway to change the % color for the battery icon?
Aug 29 18:59:22 <bpadalino> palm is still on a petty good run .. 52wk high is 16.80, they're sitting at 13.49 .. and YTD is up 339% ... i think their stock is going OK so far
Aug 29 18:59:34 <v3ritas> Splmonster: Yeah, somewhere in that thread someone got it working
Aug 29 18:59:44 <Splmonster> In quick install?
Aug 29 18:59:53 <v3ritas> In the thread for the actual % patch
Aug 29 19:00:04 <Splmonster> Okay
Aug 29 19:00:56 <Splmonster> Cause the blue seems off ya know?
Aug 29 19:02:01 <v3ritas> It does blue now?  I have the actual patch installed (which i was thinking of removing because of the one in QuickInstall) & it does like red/orange/yellow/green
Aug 29 19:02:41 <Splmonster> Yeah the quick install one is blue
Aug 29 19:02:54 <psykoz> anyway palm's app store isn't affecting their stock
Aug 29 19:03:00 <v3ritas> ooo.  maybe i'll stick with the patch
Aug 29 19:03:26 <psykoz> their stock is being run up by speculative interest that's doing the same to the whole market, we're going to see a huge pullback in the market probably before the end of the year, if not within the next month or two
Aug 29 19:03:29 <Splmonster> No but more ppl would buy into the Pre with a full app catalog, and therefor would help stock
Aug 29 19:04:37 <Splmonster> Here is one issue I found with the messaging now, there are bigger spaces between txt's. Plus the photos do not line up, weird
Aug 29 19:05:12 <psykoz> not really, about the time they "unbeta" app catalog, there's no amount of consumer confidence in Palm's success that will keep its stock up high when the rest of the market starts plunging again here towards the end of the year ;)
Aug 29 19:05:32 <Splmonster> So okay all these tweaks and patches, these are hidden features within WebOS or these are adds?
Aug 29 19:06:58 <Splmonster> My take is the Pre is Unique and has a big future with it's depth and all. To me the Iphone is another Razr trend
Aug 29 19:07:56 <Splmonster> I would say Android and WebOS are the future of the smartphone market, maybe even Winmo if they can make it run more effeciently
Aug 29 19:10:02 <bpadalino> interesting opinions
Aug 29 19:10:18 <Splmonster> Don't tell me you think iphone has something?
Aug 29 19:10:36 <Splmonster> That thing is terrible as a phone.. It's an Ipod touch with phone controls
Aug 29 19:10:39 <bpadalino> without the iphone, the pre would have never come into existence
Aug 29 19:10:59 <Splmonster> Maybe so... But Iphone did not start the touchscreen market
Aug 29 19:11:18 <Splmonster> Plus linux was always there, and Palm was gonna revamp with something
Aug 29 19:11:28 <Splmonster> Treo's just werent doing it anymore
Aug 29 19:11:32 <bpadalino> apple didn't star the mp3 player market either... they just had a better execution
Aug 29 19:11:40 <destinal> Splmonster: don't discount maemo, either
Aug 29 19:11:58 <Splmonster> Really? I think Itunes sucks badly...
Aug 29 19:12:03 <psykoz> I'm not even arguing palm's future or not, I'm merely pointing out there was an unprecedented amount of growth in all of the stock market from march 9th -> now and it's irrelevant of Palm's launch date that its stock is doing exceptionally well
Aug 29 19:12:09 <Splmonster> I much prefer Zune and Creative to ipod
Aug 29 19:12:17 <psykoz> Launch day is far more important to Palm than its App store
Aug 29 19:12:26 <psykoz> So expect app store out of beta to hardly generate any hype for them
Aug 29 19:12:54 <bpadalino> i like my ipod touch .. i think the iphone has the best touchscreen keyboard i've ever used ..
Aug 29 19:13:08 <bpadalino> i think the development tools for the iphone are great
Aug 29 19:13:17 <Splmonster> I can't stand it, never keeps up with how fast I type. I prefer the Hero's to the iphone
Aug 29 19:13:18 <psykoz> The last time the stock market grew 50% (like it has done since march 29th) was 6 months before the great depression
Aug 29 19:14:09 <bpadalino> hrm ..
Aug 29 19:14:17 <Splmonster> Plus I only use on screen key when typing quick messages, a physical keyboard is much better for email and sending longer messages
Aug 29 19:14:31 <bpadalino> it's really grown 50%? i dunno if i can see that .. didn't the DOW bottom out at 7k, and it's at 9k now ?
Aug 29 19:14:40 <Splmonster> The iphone as a phone is garbage and att sucks
Aug 29 19:15:11 <psykoz> bpadalino, dow bottomed at 6400
Aug 29 19:15:18 <psykoz> and it's at 9.5k
Aug 29 19:15:21 <bpadalino> ah indeed it did
Aug 29 19:15:22 <bpadalino> look at that
Aug 29 19:15:41 <psykoz> this is something we haven't seen happen in this short of time since prior to the great depression
Aug 29 19:15:43 <bpadalino> the market will be interesting to watch in the upcoming month
Aug 29 19:15:44 <bpadalino> s
Aug 29 19:15:50 <Splmonster> Both the Hero and Pre are better then the Iphone
Aug 29 19:15:52 <bpadalino> very uncertain
Aug 29 19:15:57 <psykoz> some industry economists think the tarp funds are being used to bid up all stocks
Aug 29 19:16:27 <bpadalino> sometimes i get disappointed by the amount of iphone hatred that happens in this channel
Aug 29 19:16:37 <psykoz> Yeah the iphone is a good phone
Aug 29 19:16:42 <psykoz> I don't know why anyone would say it's not a good phone
Aug 29 19:16:52 <oil> in my mind
Aug 29 19:16:56 <oil> the one thing it really has on the pre
Aug 29 19:16:57 <oil> is apps
Aug 29 19:16:58 <Splmonster> Yeah a phone with a terrible speaker both inside and out, and poor service. uh huh its great
Aug 29 19:17:07 <Splmonster> Yeah apps is it
Aug 29 19:17:13 <oil> and a native sdk
Aug 29 19:17:18 <bpadalino> the iphone is available all over the world - all those services can't be terrible
Aug 29 19:17:21 <oil> but i dont think its a bad phone
Aug 29 19:17:28 <oil> i just think its #2
Aug 29 19:17:28 <oil> xD
Aug 29 19:17:38 <Splmonster> I think it's better as a multimedia device not a phone
Aug 29 19:17:46 <oil> but im pretty partial, having never owned an iphone, and loving my pre
Aug 29 19:18:12 <Splmonster> I owned the Iphone for a yr, and couldn't stand the lack of multi-tasking, poor speaker quality and att's crappy service
Aug 29 19:18:20 <Splmonster> Not to mention no mms
Aug 29 19:18:27 <bpadalino> i think the pre is the most open and most interesting phone to work on right now ..
Aug 29 19:18:44 <Splmonster> It is indeed, the Pre is open and that's what I love
Aug 29 19:18:48 <bpadalino> i think it bests android in the fact that it resembles a linux system
Aug 29 19:18:54 <oil> lol
Aug 29 19:19:03 <bpadalino> and not just a linux kernel
Aug 29 19:19:06 <Splmonster> I would say Android and WebOS are the best
Aug 29 19:19:25 <Splmonster> Anyone play with the Hero?
Aug 29 19:20:55 <destinal> bpadalino: unfortunately android beats webos in the fact that all the code is available, but fortunately for being closed source there's a lot of customization possible, at least
Aug 29 19:21:52 <destinal> Splmonster: I'd say the pre isn't really open, though it's not locked down at least
Aug 29 19:21:54 <bpadalino> destinal, agreed
Aug 29 19:22:06 <Splmonster> Whats not open about it?
Aug 29 19:22:12 <bpadalino> bluetooth stack is proprietary
Aug 29 19:22:17 <destinal> Splmonster: lots of black box closed source proprietary pieces
Aug 29 19:22:18 <psykoz> well, android is only open with what google releases as open
Aug 29 19:22:19 <bpadalino> luna is proprietary
Aug 29 19:22:37 <psykoz> if HTC or others make modifications to it, they don't have to release their modifications or allow you into the phone
Aug 29 19:23:05 <destinal> psykoz: it's an entire phone stack that's open, unlike webos
Aug 29 19:23:06 <Splmonster> I think HTC's sense UI is cool but the lack of processing power kills the hero in lag with it
Aug 29 19:23:13 <psykoz> destinal, nod
Aug 29 19:23:52 <Splmonster> Hey so CPU scaling, does it really save battery on the Pre?
Aug 29 19:24:07 <destinal> fortunately the hardware itself isn't locked down and it's a standard linux userland for the most part, so that's nice
Aug 29 19:24:17 <destinal> no reason you couldn't run android on a pre if you want
Aug 29 19:24:35 <psykoz> splmonster, when I played around with it in its early stages it did save battery while idle
Aug 29 19:24:43 <psykoz> but it also while idle failed to deliver notifications and would eventually lockup
Aug 29 19:24:51 <psykoz> your mileage may vary
Aug 29 19:24:58 <Splmonster> Yeah thats not good
Aug 29 19:26:31 <psykoz> on that subject too, I mean if you're an idler with your pre you'll like a cpu scaling model (if it works stable), but if you use your pre a lot the cpu scaling will probably save you hardly anything
Aug 29 19:29:00 <bpadalino> idler = keeping the screen on while you do nothing ... otherwise, when the screen goes off, you go into a power saving mode
Aug 29 19:30:09 <destinal> bpadalino: well, light use too, if you're drawing something on the screen but not processing much I imagine it would save too, but how many minutes do you really do that?
Aug 29 19:30:19 <bpadalino> right
Aug 29 19:30:41 <destinal> reading an ebook might be a good example actually
Aug 29 19:30:55 <destinal> really lightweight work, but still not sleep
Aug 29 19:31:02 <bpadalino> i think the palm guys were saying the response time of the cpu scaling was just too slow to respond appropriately and provide a good user experience
Aug 29 19:33:23 <destinal> I'm glad that people are making keyboard themes but some make my eyes bleed :)
Aug 29 19:34:00 <bpadalino> heh
Aug 29 19:34:08 <psykoz> destinal, I liked your idea to just make a plugin for keyboard that interfaces with egaudet's and sends actual keyboard buffer stuff
Aug 29 19:36:10 <destinal> psykoz: yeah, it could be cool. but it would require creating a hidd plugin (to appear as a "keyboard" to the OS) and then there is the question of focus (since key events only come to the app in focus, with mojo we can hook stuff but then there are security issues potentially) so yeah, it's a good thing for us to work on but not necessarily a slam dunk
Aug 29 19:40:21 <destinal> I'm working on hidd plugins anyway so that part should hopefully happen soon
Aug 29 19:40:43 <symos> Rick_work: Result! Edited the file in Komodo, setting encoding to UTF-8 and just typing in the character and it works!
Aug 29 19:40:45 <destinal> I want to make external peripherals and network connected multitouch pads work
Aug 29 19:41:17 <destinal> symos: so you've got a foreign language modified software keyboard?  nice.
Aug 29 19:41:24 <destinal> err OSK
Aug 29 19:41:53 <symos> +destinal: Yes! Well, only one character for now, but it proves the concept. I can now change all the characters and make new graphic labels.
Aug 29 19:42:21 <symos> And then hope that a good developer will add a language switch feature which would be cool
Aug 29 19:44:19 <jtemple> alsdkjfa
Aug 29 19:44:23 <destinal> so I was brainstorming on input devices I'd like to add via hidd.  The simplest ones would be fake proximity sensors and ambient light sensors etc for use with the emulator.
Aug 29 19:44:48 <psykoz> that'd be neat
Aug 29 19:45:14 <destinal> then of course USB keyboards once we get the OTG chipset working, and BT keyboards, and a multitouch pad for use in the emulator and external accelerometers for use in emulator (actually a wiimote would be really slick for that)
Aug 29 19:45:44 <destinal> and that brought me to thinking about using the wiimote as a game input device all its own
Aug 29 19:47:07 <destinal> duck hunt anyone?  :)
Aug 29 19:47:18 <destinal> a lot of work to do to get there though alas
Aug 29 19:48:45 <jtemple> duck hunt would be awesome.
Aug 29 19:49:20 * psykoz grins
Aug 29 19:49:39 <psykoz> < destinal> in 0.3.5 we're releasing today you can now use your wii motion plus as well!
Aug 29 19:50:10 <destinal> hehe
Aug 29 19:50:45 <jtemple> this is a stupid question, whats the password for root? is there one?
Aug 29 19:51:10 <destinal> jtemple: no password by default
Aug 29 19:51:12 <psykoz> nope
Aug 29 19:51:36 <jtemple> hmm. well, is there a way to log in to root through putty via ssh?
Aug 29 19:51:59 <psykoz> login to the user you created
Aug 29 19:52:01 <psykoz> then su
Aug 29 19:52:13 <destinal> jtemple: the way a lot of us use is to set up an ssh key and copy the public key to the pre
Aug 29 19:52:51 <destinal> jtemple: dropbear's startup script can be modified to allow root login with password but a lot of folks here seem to be worried that that's too insecure
Aug 29 19:52:51 <psykoz> apparently I'm the nutjob who su's ;)
Aug 29 19:53:02 <destinal> psykoz: I just ssh in as root
Aug 29 19:53:21 <destinal> I think most people sudo (I think that's silly) :)
Aug 29 19:53:29 * psykoz hates sudo ;)
Aug 29 19:53:54 <destinal> sudo is good for your desktop or server, not a phone
Aug 29 19:54:09 <jtemple> i just don't currently have my cable but i wanted to run a patch so i was trying to log in real quick
Aug 29 19:54:43 <destinal> jtemple: well if you ran the bootstrap script earlier then you're already in sudo as your regular user
Aug 29 19:54:59 <destinal> so you can just   sudo su -    to get a root shell
Aug 29 19:56:07 <jtemple> i believe i already have run the bootstrap script. but when i attempted to do a rw mount it said i didn't have access (are you in root) type deal
Aug 29 19:58:04 <jtemple> anyways I used sudo su - with success
Aug 29 19:58:18 <jtemple> is there anything wrong with sudo? it seems to be the easiest way...
Aug 29 19:58:18 <destinal> yeah then you can run the rw mount command
Aug 29 19:58:34 <destinal> or sudo mount -o remount,rw /
Aug 29 19:58:41 <destinal> instead of sudo su -
Aug 29 19:59:40 <destinal> jtemple: sudo is fine and it works for most folks, I just prefer to login as root.
Aug 29 19:59:57 <destinal> if it meets your needs, by all means, use it :)
Aug 29 20:00:23 <jtemple> yeah... i just ran the landscape messaging patch.
Aug 29 20:00:35 <jtemple> it works when in list view, but for conversations it does not.
Aug 29 20:00:51 <jtemple> i assume its because i also have the 'open new cards for each messaging convo'...
Aug 29 20:11:02 <destinal> yeah, I think that eventually full-replacement apps will come out
Aug 29 20:11:44 <destinal> things get hard to manage with too many patches to the same application
Aug 29 20:43:30 <DdAaDd> Hi, I just add an application to Komodo..
Aug 29 20:43:39 <DdAaDd> Why can I see it in my emulator?
Aug 29 20:43:42 <DdAaDd> what should I Do?
Aug 29 20:43:55 <DdAaDd> I pressed the button to launce it...
Aug 29 20:48:37 <jtemple> i've got a problem. for the past 2 weeks, everytime i reboot my phone... it is extremely laggy.
Aug 29 20:49:06 <jtemple> when i run the top command in root, it says im using around 80% of the cpu, with out any cards open..
Aug 29 20:51:43 <psykoz> jtemple, what apps are at the top and using what cpu %?
Aug 29 20:53:13 <jtemple> upload, dbus daemon, and upstart
Aug 29 20:53:29 <jtemple> 11%, 8%, 4% respectively
Aug 29 20:53:36 <jtemple> varying a few %
Aug 29 20:54:44 <jtemple> messing around with stuff i've killed 'upload' and it instantly goes down in cpu and just as fast as normal... and i see it reappear so it must have relaunched but that is probably bad for several reasons
Aug 29 20:55:12 <jtemple> 'upstart'**
Aug 29 20:56:38 <jtemple> the top 3 are actually now : dbus-daemon; upstart; pmsyslogd
Aug 29 20:56:48 <DdAaDd> what should I Do?
Aug 29 20:56:54 <jtemple> no greater that 12%
Aug 29 20:56:59 <DdAaDd> ?
Aug 29 20:58:42 <DdAaDd> All I'm getting with te Komodo in the emulator is the my Application Icon : This text veridies....
Aug 29 20:58:49 <DdAaDd> What to do?
Aug 29 21:01:59 <DdAaDd> changed the index.html
Aug 29 21:02:08 <DdAaDd> did the all necesary changes..
Aug 29 21:23:04 <DdAaDd> anybody here?
Aug 29 21:23:55 <oil> no
Aug 29 21:26:03 <jtemple> ha
Aug 29 21:26:03 <rwhitby> morning
Aug 29 21:27:11 <jtemple> can anyone tell me if there is a way i can find out what all the programs/ commands are in top
Aug 29 21:27:22 <jtemple> or rather, what they do...
Aug 29 21:27:24 <oil> step 1: look at the name
Aug 29 21:27:29 <oil> step 2: google said name
Aug 29 21:27:35 <oil> step 3: read what google says
Aug 29 21:27:40 <DdAaDd> Hi
Aug 29 21:28:35 <DdAaDd> Where's palm-group-title css is written,
Aug 29 21:28:36 <DdAaDd> ?
Aug 29 21:28:48 <oil> probably in one of the css files
Aug 29 21:29:00 <DdAaDd> Cause all the pages of the application got it, so I want to edit it in one file for all..
Aug 29 21:29:16 <DdAaDd> not in all css files of all pages..
Aug 29 21:30:00 <oil> global-lists.css
Aug 29 21:30:10 <oil> wherever the framework is on the pre (that i dont know)
Aug 29 21:30:35 <DdAaDd> the framework of the specific program?
Aug 29 21:30:41 <DdAaDd> or for all programs?
Aug 29 21:30:59 <jtemple> hmm. its because on reboot my phone lags terribly and shows im using 90% of my cpu. in top all the processes add up to about 35 or 40... which still seems kind of high
Aug 29 21:31:21 <jtemple> for not having any cards open
Aug 29 21:31:30 <DdAaDd> ..?
Aug 29 21:31:38 <oil> DdAaDd: the framework is what all the programs use
Aug 29 21:31:43 <oil> its not a program
Aug 29 21:32:58 <DdAaDd> Is I got it
Aug 29 21:33:12 <DdAaDd> I didnt explain me well
Aug 29 21:34:29 <DdAaDd> Yes
Aug 29 21:34:31 <DdAaDd> not is
Aug 29 21:34:34 <DdAaDd> sorry
Aug 29 21:34:37 <DdAaDd> :(
Aug 29 21:35:31 <jtemple> does anyone have an idea what would cause my phones cpu to be so high?
Aug 29 21:39:07 <rwhitby> jtemple: it's linux - just use normal linux monitoring tools to diagnose the problem
Aug 29 21:41:09 <bpadalino> i think it's artificially high due to the deep sleep that it goes into ...
Aug 29 21:43:17 <jtemple> :bpadalino: it lasts for 6-8 hours and my phone is so laggy its unusable.
Aug 29 21:43:32 <bpadalino> sounds like a problem
Aug 29 21:45:39 <jtemple> as far as 'linux monitoring tools' you mean which processes are running the higheste % ?
Aug 29 21:46:26 <bpadalino> top
Aug 29 21:47:18 <jtemple> right. but... is it cool to just go through and start killing processes?
Aug 29 21:47:35 <bpadalino> it's considered cool and badass .. chicks totally dig i
Aug 29 21:47:35 <bpadalino> t
Aug 29 21:48:30 <oil> lolol
Aug 29 21:49:01 <jtemple> ha... i've done that before. i kill 'upstart' and it instantly makes my phone back to normal... but causes my vibrate and ringer notifications to not sound off.
Aug 29 21:49:24 <jtemple> plus, i have to do that everytime i reboot... :/
Aug 29 21:58:11 <rwhitby> heh - now even the PimpMyPre PreLoad thread on PreCentral has been overrun by Preware posts :-)
Aug 29 21:59:30 <oil> maybe i should make a preware thread in the homebrew section
Aug 29 22:09:13 <Eguy> what is preware?
Aug 29 22:11:50 <oil> read the thread and find out
Aug 29 22:11:55 <oil> lol
Aug 29 22:16:21 <Eguy> what is a thread?
Aug 29 22:17:13 <gkatsev> what is Eguy?
Aug 29 22:19:09 <rwhitby> ~eguy
Aug 29 22:27:46 <Eguy> lol
Aug 29 22:27:52 <Eguy> infobot is anti eguy
Aug 29 23:08:46 <Abyssul> Could someone help me implement http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/199638-how-set-up-google-gps-tracking-your-palm-pre.html
Aug 29 23:09:11 <Abyssul> I've done all the steps and cannot get the webpage to locate me.
Aug 29 23:21:44 <PuffTheMagic> Abyssul: we are not precentrals live help channel fyi
Aug 29 23:22:07 <Eguy> ouch
Aug 29 23:22:31 <PuffTheMagic> well we get so much stuff here from precentral its rediculous
Aug 29 23:23:15 <PuffTheMagic> this channel was for "devel" talk and expanding the knowledge of its "internals" and now its just for help it seems
Aug 29 23:23:26 <Eguy> yup
Aug 29 23:23:45 <Eguy> n00bs join #webos-n00bs
Aug 29 23:24:01 <PuffTheMagic> Eguy: i joined #webos-internalls-support
Aug 29 23:24:09 <PuffTheMagic> in hopes we would move this stuff there
Aug 29 23:24:16 <PuffTheMagic> and leave this channel for productive stuff
Aug 29 23:24:21 <Eguy> hah
Aug 29 23:24:41 <Eguy> I made the watercooler in hopes off topic stuff like this would go in there but that didn't happen :(
Aug 29 23:24:47 <Eguy> well, sometimes it does
Aug 29 23:25:18 <PuffTheMagic> i dont care about regulars getting off topic now and again
Aug 29 23:25:22 <Abyssul> Well there are over 100 people in here and barely any talk goes on. I was just asking for a little help
Aug 29 23:25:37 <Abyssul> If it's not appropriate then ok, I wont talk about it
Aug 29 23:25:56 <PuffTheMagic> Abyssul: no its appropriate, i just dont like seeing posts from precentral
Aug 29 23:26:07 <PuffTheMagic> its nothing against you in particular
Aug 29 23:26:25 <Abyssul> I was just posting what the process was
Aug 29 23:26:25 <PuffTheMagic> precentral big enough and has paid staff i think, they should have a live help
Aug 29 23:26:36 <oil> lolololol
Aug 29 23:26:54 <PuffTheMagic> oil: glad you think this is funny :D
Aug 29 23:27:09 <Eguy> hahahahah
Aug 29 23:27:26 * Eguy is amused
Aug 29 23:27:41 <Abyssul> Would anyone mind helping?
Aug 29 23:27:49 <Eguy> fyi PuffTheMagic: Precentral's staff is not piad as far as I know
Aug 29 23:27:53 <Eguy> paid*
Aug 29 23:27:57 <Eguy> just Mr. Bohn
Aug 29 23:28:02 <PuffTheMagic> i thought they had commercial backing
Aug 29 23:28:15 * oil came here after seeing a post on precentral by rick asking about help developing preware
Aug 29 23:28:19 <Eguy> the mods aren't
Aug 29 23:28:56 <Eguy> I don't know, maybe the writers are
Aug 29 23:29:14 <PuffTheMagic> Eguy: idk... seems like they have some $$ behind the site
Aug 29 23:29:17 <Eguy> There should be a precentral irc channel for sure
Aug 29 23:29:31 <oil> and they do have live help
Aug 29 23:29:33 <Eguy> Well Smartphone Experts owns all the communites
Aug 29 23:29:35 <oil> its the forums
Aug 29 23:29:45 <PuffTheMagic> oil: thats not live help
Aug 29 23:29:51 <PuffTheMagic> thats like uber-email
Aug 29 23:29:51 <Eguy> and Mr. Bohn works for them
Aug 29 23:29:57 <PuffTheMagic> its like a mailing list on crack
Aug 29 23:30:02 <oil> lol
Aug 29 23:30:06 <Eguy> lol
Aug 29 23:30:44 * rwhitby thinks we should all just work together for the betterment of the Pre ... ;-)
Aug 29 23:30:50 <Eguy> SPE is kinda like weblogs
Aug 29 23:30:58 <Eguy> engadget, autoblog etc...
Aug 29 23:31:07 <PuffTheMagic> Abyssul: sorry im not watching that video to figure out what you did
Aug 29 23:31:09 <Eguy> treocentral, crackberry, precentral
Aug 29 23:31:13 <Eguy> etc
Aug 29 23:31:47 <PuffTheMagic> rwhitby: you cant better the pre, the hw will never change
Aug 29 23:31:55 <Eguy> ouch
Aug 29 23:31:57 <PuffTheMagic> rwhitby: we can improve the software
Aug 29 23:32:05 <rwhitby> nod
Aug 29 23:32:11 <Eguy> It has but not spec wise
Aug 29 23:32:25 <Eguy> hardware tweaks
Aug 29 23:32:39 <Eguy> There will always be oreo
Aug 29 23:32:40 <rwhitby> when the second WebOS device comes out that is not called the Pre, I'll be motivated to change my language usage ;-)
Aug 29 23:33:07 <Eguy> should be next year according to VZW
Aug 29 23:33:26 <Abyssul> The video just shows what it does, but thats not the procedure. You have to scroll down
Aug 29 23:36:48 <PuffTheMagic> Eguy: that smaller than the pre device?
Aug 29 23:36:58 <PuffTheMagic> that is gonna be a shitty platform imo
Aug 29 23:37:08 <Eguy> the EOS?
Aug 29 23:37:18 <PuffTheMagic> pixie?
Aug 29 23:37:26 <Eguy> yeah
Aug 29 23:37:29 <Eguy> same thing
Aug 29 23:37:31 <PuffTheMagic> yeah
Aug 29 23:37:35 <PuffTheMagic> i dont have much faith in it
Aug 29 23:37:41 <Eguy> I like it better than the Pre tbh
Aug 29 23:37:44 <PuffTheMagic> if its gonna be smaller than the pre
Aug 29 23:37:45 <Eguy> I hate the slider
Aug 29 23:37:48 <PuffTheMagic> lol
Aug 29 23:38:00 <PuffTheMagic> but that phone is gonna be useless as a smart phone
Aug 29 23:38:03 <PuffTheMagic> smaller screen
Aug 29 23:38:05 <Eguy> Just another thing to break over time
Aug 29 23:38:07 <Eguy> and it has
Aug 29 23:38:25 <Eguy> I did fine with my Centro for 2 years :)
Aug 29 23:38:37 <PuffTheMagic> Eguy: this is my first slider
Aug 29 23:38:42 <Templarian> I don't understand how a lot of these apps will work on the EOS... worst idea ever imo for them to make a smaller resolution.
Aug 29 23:38:46 <Eguy> photo viewing on the Pre is a dream though I must admit hehe :D
Aug 29 23:38:54 <PuffTheMagic> Templarian: ++
Aug 29 23:38:58 <Eguy> They load SO slow though
Aug 29 23:39:01 <PuffTheMagic> Eguy: if palm made a BB sized device i think that would be good
Aug 29 23:39:06 <PuffTheMagic> Eguy: mine is fast
Aug 29 23:39:08 <Eguy> nods
Aug 29 23:39:21 <PuffTheMagic> but i dont have an issue with the slider
Aug 29 23:39:26 <Eguy> loading the photo app takes 5-6 seconds
Aug 29 23:39:34 <PuffTheMagic> i know it oreo's a little
Aug 29 23:39:39 <Eguy> loading a picture takes 4 seconds
Aug 29 23:39:42 <Templarian> Eguy: but after that it's really smooth.
Aug 29 23:39:44 <Eguy> before it isn't blurry
Aug 29 23:39:53 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet_away: turn on the ondemand governor
Aug 29 23:39:55 <Templarian> (I have like 60 photos, you probably have way more)
Aug 29 23:40:01 <Eguy> hehe yes
Aug 29 23:40:03 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet_away: it flies at 600mhz
Aug 29 23:40:08 <PuffTheMagic> then goes down to 125
Aug 29 23:40:09 <PuffTheMagic> when its idle
Aug 29 23:40:11 <Eguy> I have over 1000 there
Aug 29 23:40:16 <PuffTheMagic> what?
Aug 29 23:40:18 <rwhitby> eos doesn't have wifi, right?  only useful for those on an unlimited data plan with good coverage everywhere they go.
Aug 29 23:40:30 <Eguy> no wifi
Aug 29 23:40:32 <Templarian> I don't use wifi.
Aug 29 23:40:33 <Eguy> 4gb fixed
Aug 29 23:40:48 <Eguy> what in god's name is wrong with Palm and their storage department
Aug 29 23:41:06 <Eguy> flash memory is pennys...give us more dammit!
Aug 29 23:41:27 <rwhitby> Eguy: it's the marketing and finance department, who require a built-in mid-life kicker product.
Aug 29 23:41:42 <bpadalino> when making 1M devices, if it cost 1c, you just spent $1M
Aug 29 23:41:57 <bpadalino> whoops
Aug 29 23:41:59 <Templarian> lol
Aug 29 23:42:01 <bpadalino>  /100
Aug 29 23:42:02 <bpadalino> :)
Aug 29 23:42:07 <Eguy> Yeah but they charge $$$
Aug 29 23:42:20 <Eguy> They make an NICE profit
Aug 29 23:42:28 <Eguy> unlike Bugatti with the Veyron
Aug 29 23:42:33 <Eguy> err I should say VW
Aug 29 23:42:50 <Eguy> which costs 5 million to build
Aug 29 23:42:50 <Templarian> I'm actually fine with 8gb, with pandora and 5gb data theres storing all my music isn't worth it since I never access it.
Aug 29 23:43:10 <Eguy> I have 1.6 free I think which is ok
Aug 29 23:43:37 <Eguy> ~/var should of been 1gig though
Aug 29 23:43:46 <PuffTheMagic> honestly, i dont care about storage, i have to delete about 200gig of music a month, to make room for the new music, cause i run a top site ftp dump server, i only put 20 albums on my ipod at a time anyway cause if i put all my shit on it it takes forever to find things
Aug 29 23:43:51 <Templarian> Eguy: agreed.
Aug 29 23:44:22 <Eguy> the low /var space is bad news for app lovers
Aug 29 23:44:33 <bpadalino> it might have been a supply chain issue - where they may not have been able to guarantee delivery of 16GB flash chips
Aug 29 23:44:44 <Eguy> bleh
Aug 29 23:44:50 <Templarian> Eguy: how hard is that to change with a slider? (i'm not much of a linux savy person).
Aug 29 23:44:50 <PuffTheMagic> Eguy: just resize it
Aug 29 23:44:54 <PuffTheMagic> its simple as pie
Aug 29 23:45:05 <Eguy> The kids in China can churn out new chips
Aug 29 23:45:11 <Eguy> oops
Aug 29 23:45:18 <Eguy> was it not ok for me to say that?
Aug 29 23:45:21 <PuffTheMagic> Templarian: ?
Aug 29 23:45:29 <bpadalino> i think singapore or malaysia is where the flash chips get made ..
Aug 29 23:45:53 <Eguy> Depends on the brand
Aug 29 23:45:56 <Eguy> and quality
Aug 29 23:45:58 <Templarian> PuffTheMagic: like add a slider with current storage and allow users to increase it in Preware for instance would be kind of nice.
Aug 29 23:46:08 <Eguy> oh
Aug 29 23:46:14 <Eguy> an on device partitioner?
Aug 29 23:46:20 <Eguy> hmmm
Aug 29 23:46:24 <PuffTheMagic> Templarian: i could probably work on a resizer service
Aug 29 23:46:27 <PuffTheMagic> shouldnt be too hard
Aug 29 23:46:31 <Eguy> yes
Aug 29 23:46:34 <Eguy> great idea
Aug 29 23:46:56 <PuffTheMagic> but i would kinda like to figure out how to build services for armv7 in C first
Aug 29 23:47:02 <PuffTheMagic> i can build them for i686 no prob
Aug 29 23:47:03 <Eguy> Norton Partition Magic for Pre 0.5.1
Aug 29 23:47:10 <PuffTheMagic> fuck norton
Aug 29 23:47:13 <PuffTheMagic> this is linux
Aug 29 23:47:16 <Eguy> lol
Aug 29 23:47:17 <rwhitby> PuffTheMagic: just look how the autobuilder does it ;-)
Aug 29 23:47:18 <oil> lolol
Aug 29 23:47:19 <PuffTheMagic> we dont need norton
Aug 29 23:47:28 <PuffTheMagic> rwhitby: you dont build any C services
Aug 29 23:47:30 <PuffTheMagic> just the plugin
Aug 29 23:47:32 <Eguy> Acronis Disk Director Pre 0.6.1
Aug 29 23:47:37 <PuffTheMagic> rwhitby: they arent the same
Aug 29 23:47:58 <rwhitby> PuffTheMagic: interesting.  what's different about the compilation of them?
Aug 29 23:48:10 <PuffTheMagic> rwhitby: shit loads more share libs to link against
Aug 29 23:48:41 <PuffTheMagic> and the plugin is c++
Aug 29 23:48:46 <PuffTheMagic> the service is c
Aug 29 23:48:54 <PuffTheMagic> seems like its not as flexable
Aug 29 23:49:00 <rwhitby> ah, I'd personally move to the optware build system then ...
Aug 29 23:49:02 <Eguy> argh, got to work on this presentation
Aug 29 23:49:35 <PuffTheMagic> rwhitby: you mean using opware as my dev useland for building the arm stuff
Aug 29 23:49:38 <PuffTheMagic> that might have to happen
Aug 29 23:49:47 <Eguy> holy god it is hot outside
Aug 29 23:49:50 <PuffTheMagic> rwhitby: i was sorta thinking about building a pre userland from scratch
Aug 29 23:49:54 <PuffTheMagic> and packaging it
Aug 29 23:49:56 <PuffTheMagic> for devs
Aug 29 23:50:05 <PuffTheMagic> as a standard base
Aug 29 23:50:12 <rwhitby> PuffTheMagic: either that, or using the optware cross-compilation system of staging pre-built shared libraries to do it on the host
Aug 29 23:50:48 <Eguy> argh my Pre is very clicky on the left side
Aug 29 23:50:57 <Eguy> feels loose
Aug 29 23:51:20 <PuffTheMagic> rwhitby: well that only solves the arm part, if i made a pre specific userland for dev work i would make a emu one also
Aug 29 23:51:34 <PuffTheMagic> but optware might be a start
Aug 29 23:51:36 <rwhitby> PuffTheMagic: optware works for both arm and emu
Aug 29 23:52:08 <rwhitby> that's how we build the i686g25 feed for the emulator
Aug 29 23:52:47 <PuffTheMagic> rwhitby: it could also be just my autotools, makefile sills suck
Aug 29 23:53:18 <PuffTheMagic> but having a universal dev userland specific to the pre would be useful
Aug 29 23:53:30 <PuffTheMagic> regardless or not if its built from optware or from scratch
Aug 29 23:53:55 <rwhitby> sure, a virtualbox machine disk image for developers would be awesome
Aug 29 23:53:56 <PuffTheMagic> that way configure scripts/makefiles can be more generic
Aug 29 23:54:11 <PuffTheMagic> rwhitby: well the virtualbox image isnt enough
Aug 29 23:54:15 <PuffTheMagic> its got no headers
Aug 29 23:54:20 <PuffTheMagic> same with the pre
Aug 29 23:54:22 <Eguy> does the line under preware change every day?
Aug 29 23:54:22 <PuffTheMagic> no header
Aug 29 23:54:31 <PuffTheMagic> Eguy: its random string
Aug 29 23:54:33 <rwhitby> We have a winner!
Aug 29 23:54:35 <PuffTheMagic> ever time u launch it
Aug 29 23:54:37 <Eguy> hahaha
Aug 29 23:54:41 <Eguy> I was wondering
Aug 29 23:54:48 <PuffTheMagic> some of them suck
Aug 29 23:54:53 <Eguy> Yeah
Aug 29 23:54:53 <PuffTheMagic> some are good
Aug 29 23:55:02 <PuffTheMagic> the most apps one is lame
Aug 29 23:55:03 <Eguy> I like the Advanced Homebrew installer
Aug 29 23:55:10 <PuffTheMagic> yeah that one is good
Aug 29 23:55:25 <Eguy> nobody else has noticed that rwhitby?
Aug 29 23:55:28 <rwhitby> phrase contributions are welcome
Aug 29 23:55:32 <PuffTheMagic> rwhitby: about that comment i made about artifically incrasing the creation date in the feed
Aug 29 23:56:01 <rwhitby> Eguy: no-one other than the other developers before you.  or at least no-one else mentioned it here.
Aug 29 23:56:02 <PuffTheMagic> rwhitby: example, i went into preware today, and just about all the webos-internals pacakges said they were created/new today
Aug 29 23:56:10 <PuffTheMagic> rwhitby: but i aleady had some of them installed
Aug 29 23:56:14 <PuffTheMagic> with their latest versions
Aug 29 23:56:18 <Eguy> "The installer that doesn't suck"
Aug 29 23:56:24 <Eguy> how's that?
Aug 29 23:56:34 <rwhitby> PuffTheMagic: yeah, that's cause the metadata in the ipkg changed to include the new additions to the Source: json data
Aug 29 23:56:34 <PuffTheMagic> rwhitby: so something with the autobuilder is increasing their last-modifed timestamp
Aug 29 23:56:54 <rwhitby> PuffTheMagic: only when I manually rebuild packages to include the latest metadata.
Aug 29 23:56:54 <PuffTheMagic> rwhitby: why does the last-modified timestamp keep changing?
Aug 29 23:57:11 <rwhitby> it changes when I rebuild the packages to include the latest metadata additions.
Aug 29 23:57:12 <PuffTheMagic> rwhitby: there needs to be a way to prevent that
Aug 29 23:57:28 <PuffTheMagic> the relase date of the file should not be changing regardles of metadata changes
Aug 29 23:57:35 <rwhitby> PuffTheMagic: it will stop when the last-updated is generated from the git tag.
Aug 29 23:57:46 <rwhitby> at the moment it's just the ipkg file timestamp
Aug 29 23:57:53 <PuffTheMagic> rwhitby: sound like there  a bigger issue in the scripts
Aug 29 23:58:15 <rwhitby> PuffTheMagic: no, it's just a temporary thing until git tag releases are incorporated into the flow.
Aug 29 23:58:26 <PuffTheMagic> how is that gonna solve the issue?
Aug 29 23:58:33 * oil gets more popcorn
Aug 29 23:58:36 <rwhitby> the git tag has a date
Aug 29 23:58:41 <Eguy> pop pop pop
Aug 29 23:59:10 <rwhitby> that date becomes the last updated field.  problem solved.
Aug 29 23:59:23 <rwhitby> just hasn't been done yet
Aug 29 23:59:36 <rwhitby> it will be done before Preware 1.0.0
Aug 30 00:00:18 <PuffTheMagic> rwhitby: you gonna have a problem with me putting something on the webos-internals wiki for the hosting site
Aug 30 00:00:45 <rwhitby> PuffTheMagic: why would I have a problem with that?  no problems here.
Aug 30 00:00:52 <PuffTheMagic> rwhitby: just checking
Aug 30 00:01:00 <PuffTheMagic> rwhitby: what additions to Source: got approved?
Aug 30 00:01:04 <Eguy> [nerd joke] I have some quilt pop-corn[/joke] HA
Aug 30 00:01:31 <PuffTheMagic> Eguy: that was a terrible attempt
Aug 30 00:01:41 <Eguy> lol
Aug 30 00:01:47 <Eguy> you have something better?
Aug 30 00:02:08 <rwhitby> PuffTheMagic: working on that today.  new metadata from PreCentral and PimpMyPre and PreThemer is due early next week.
Aug 30 00:02:18 <PuffTheMagic> what got approved?
Aug 30 00:02:24 <PuffTheMagic> which fields?
Aug 30 00:02:37 <PuffTheMagic> Rating? Real/FullDescription?
Aug 30 00:02:46 <PuffTheMagic> Screenshot(s)?
Aug 30 00:02:52 <Eguy> Screenshots please
Aug 30 00:04:10 <Templarian> Hopefully screenshots.
Aug 30 00:04:14 <rwhitby> Title, Icon, Homepage, LastUpdated, FullDescription, Type, Category, Screenshot (need input from oil whether it's best to have that one as a comma separated list in one field, or whether repeated Screenshot fields are easy to work with)
Aug 30 00:04:25 <rwhitby> Rating is still churning.
Aug 30 00:04:31 <Eguy> woot!
Aug 30 00:04:33 <rwhitby> As is Downloads.
Aug 30 00:04:42 <PuffTheMagic> rwhitby: json array for screenshots
Aug 30 00:04:48 <PuffTheMagic> no multiple fields
Aug 30 00:04:57 <Eguy> what is all this talk about json
Aug 30 00:05:04 <Eguy> I am sure he does not like it
Aug 30 00:05:05 <PuffTheMagic> Screenshot:[shot1,shot2,shot3]
Aug 30 00:05:11 <PuffTheMagic> rwhitby: ^^
Aug 30 00:05:12 <PuffTheMagic> like that
Aug 30 00:05:13 <oil> yeah, like that
Aug 30 00:05:23 <PuffTheMagic> lol
Aug 30 00:05:23 <Templarian> Eguy: It's the sources field in the ipkg feed.
Aug 30 00:05:26 <rwhitby> Eguy: we use the standard Source: field in the ipkg format to store extra metadata as json.
Aug 30 00:05:42 <PuffTheMagic> Eguy: we are abusing the shit out of the Source: field to add extra metadata
Aug 30 00:05:46 <Eguy> I know
Aug 30 00:05:48 <PuffTheMagic> instead of patching the ipkg source
Aug 30 00:05:49 <Eguy> it was a joke
Aug 30 00:05:51 <rwhitby> so it gets passed through all the standard ipkg tools without modification
Aug 30 00:05:52 <PuffTheMagic> and bulding a new binary
Aug 30 00:05:58 <Eguy> json
Aug 30 00:06:00 <Eguy> like jason
Aug 30 00:06:06 <Eguy> bah
Aug 30 00:06:09 <Eguy> screw it
Aug 30 00:07:04 <rwhitby> PuffTheMagic: that's be Screenshots:[shot1, shot2, shot3] then (plural field name)
Aug 30 00:07:38 <rwhitby> s/that's/that'll/
Aug 30 00:07:53 <infobot> rwhitby meant: PuffTheMagic: that'll be Screenshots:[shot1, shot2, shot3] then (plural field name)
Aug 30 00:09:10 * Eguy slams table. Dammit Infobot, I told you to be quiet!
Aug 30 00:09:28 <PuffTheMagic> w/e
Aug 30 00:09:29 <Eguy> Bad infobot!
Aug 30 00:09:31 <PuffTheMagic> rwhitby: no Rating?
Aug 30 00:09:47 <rwhitby> PuffTheMagic: as I said, still churning on that one.
Aug 30 00:10:13 <PuffTheMagic> wtf is the big deal there, precentral uses the same damn module I did in Drupal for the ragings
Aug 30 00:10:15 <Templarian> ~botsnack
Aug 30 00:10:15 <infobot> Templarian: :)
Aug 30 00:10:22 <PuffTheMagic> it not hard to export the average and count
Aug 30 00:10:27 * Templarian thinks people need to be nice to infobot.
Aug 30 00:10:50 <Eguy> hahaha
Aug 30 00:11:10 <Eguy> what do we need downloads and rating on Preware
Aug 30 00:11:13 <Eguy> for
Aug 30 00:11:21 <PuffTheMagic> rwhitby: actually
Aug 30 00:11:28 <PuffTheMagic> Ratings isnt so trivial
Aug 30 00:11:39 <PuffTheMagic> since there are multiple rating sites
Aug 30 00:11:41 <Templarian> I feel like ratings is breaking that thin line between beta app and full out main installer.
Aug 30 00:11:55 <PuffTheMagic> Templarian: ?
Aug 30 00:12:20 <rwhitby> PuffTheMagic: you've hit the nail on why it's still churning.
Aug 30 00:12:24 <tharris-> anyone know how to cause the emu (outside of Virtualbox) like on th ephone
Aug 30 00:12:29 <tharris-> to reboot
Aug 30 00:12:49 <PuffTheMagic> rwhitby: well if Source included a FeedName: field
Aug 30 00:12:55 <PuffTheMagic> then we can average all the sites ratings
Aug 30 00:13:01 <PuffTheMagic> or show rating per site
Aug 30 00:13:03 <rwhitby> PuffTheMagic: oh, "Feed" is in there now too
Aug 30 00:13:25 <PuffTheMagic> then case close
Aug 30 00:13:27 <rwhitby> (it's actaully in the live Packages files right now)
Aug 30 00:13:49 <PuffTheMagic> in preference for Preware there will be an option for displaying the averaged rating
Aug 30 00:13:53 <PuffTheMagic> or each indivdual site rating
Aug 30 00:14:12 <oil> will apps frequently be in multiple feeds?
Aug 30 00:14:26 <PuffTheMagic> oil: i am trying to ignore that issue
Aug 30 00:14:41 <rwhitby> oil: one would hope not, but ipkg selects the latest version from any feed if they are.
Aug 30 00:15:01 <PuffTheMagic> ipk is such a POS package manager
Aug 30 00:15:13 <PuffTheMagic> we should put emerge/paludis on it
Aug 30 00:15:14 <PuffTheMagic> :D
Aug 30 00:15:28 <rwhitby> and at the moment I believe there are apps that are duplicated in the PreCentral and PimpMyPre feeds
Aug 30 00:15:32 <Eguy> I want a rm -rf app
Aug 30 00:15:46 <Eguy> with a mojo button that says rm -rf it!
Aug 30 00:16:26 <oil> lol
Aug 30 00:17:44 <Eguy> heh, dreamscene in win 7 is so fantastic
Aug 30 00:17:57 <oil> eh?
Aug 30 00:18:10 <Eguy> rotating wallpapers with a fade animation
Aug 30 00:18:22 <Eguy> or video as a wallpaper
Aug 30 00:18:34 <rwhitby> Eguy: that would be a good test of whether people read the postinst script or not.  make sure you wait until they run the actual app before removing the files, so they don't blame the installer.
Aug 30 00:19:14 <Eguy> New wallpaper every 30 minutes for me hehe
Aug 30 00:20:25 * oil rarely changes his wallpaper
Aug 30 00:20:30 <Templarian> Eguy: I change mine out at the smallet interval.
Aug 30 00:21:08 <Eguy> 10 seconds?
Aug 30 00:21:24 <Eguy> who would want their wallpaper to change every 10 seconds lol
Aug 30 00:21:35 <Eguy> Talk about cpu murder
Aug 30 00:21:56 <Templarian> Eguy: nvm no mines set to 1min.
Aug 30 00:22:04 <Templarian> Didn't realise it could go that low
Aug 30 00:22:23 * Templarian set it to 10seconds lets see how long this take to get annoying
Aug 30 00:22:32 <Eguy> lol
Aug 30 00:22:42 * Eguy is expecting to hear from you in 30 seconds
Aug 30 00:22:59 <Templarian> It's kind of cool actually.
Aug 30 00:23:08 <oil> loll
Aug 30 00:23:19 <Eguy> I like the fade effect it has
Aug 30 00:23:38 <Eguy> Win 7 is so good a netbook can run ultimate
Aug 30 00:23:54 <Eguy> with full Aero
Aug 30 00:24:33 <Templarian> Of course... yea I changed it back to 1min, 10sec is a bit much.
Aug 30 00:24:41 <Eguy> hahahha
Aug 30 00:25:31 <oil> awwwwww
Aug 30 00:25:56 <Templarian> http://www.digitalbattle.com/2007/01/06/top-10-gaming-wallpapers/ << btw awesome wallpaper pack (I use this with a few others).
Aug 30 00:26:10 <oil> the problems with wallpapers?
Aug 30 00:26:15 <Eguy> I use webshots premiums
Aug 30 00:26:24 <oil> 99% are inadequate for 3 monitors
Aug 30 00:26:49 <Templarian> oil: there are sites for tri wallpapers, I use them for my comptuer at work.
Aug 30 00:27:02 <oil> most suck though
Aug 30 00:27:24 <Eguy> yes
Aug 30 00:27:30 <Eguy> digitalblasphemy
Aug 30 00:27:46 <oil> ive been using an earthrise pic as my wallpaper for a while
Aug 30 00:28:41 <tmzt> have that change every hour
Aug 30 00:28:50 <tmzt> like xmoon maybe, but from tranq
Aug 30 00:29:00 <tmzt> xearth
Aug 30 00:29:14 <oil> or
Aug 30 00:29:15 <oil> not
Aug 30 00:29:22 <oil> and use my processing power for more useful things
Aug 30 00:29:39 <oil> i rarely see my wallpaper in its entirety anyways
Aug 30 00:29:43 <oil> always too much shit open
Aug 30 00:29:46 <Eguy> http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/shuttle/sts-127/hires/iss020e022364.jpg that is pretty cool
Aug 30 00:30:03 <oil> woah
Aug 30 00:30:05 <oil> too bright
Aug 30 00:30:08 <oil> i like dark backgrounds
Aug 30 00:30:50 <Eguy> http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/shuttle/sts-127/hires/s127e011280.jpg
Aug 30 00:31:06 <oil> thats a goodun
Aug 30 00:31:12 <Eguy> http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/shuttle/sts-127/hires/s127e011246.jpg
Aug 30 00:31:23 <Templarian> I use to have a whole folder of my favorite nasa photos, but forgot to transfer it when I formatted a while back.
Aug 30 00:31:45 <Eguy> http://spaceflight1.nasa.gov/gallery/images/shuttle/ there is a whole archive of them there
Aug 30 00:31:57 <Eguy> every mission since sts-67
Aug 30 00:32:03 <Eguy> pretty much every mission*
Aug 30 00:35:29 <Templarian> http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/imagegallery/image_feature_1457.html Is better (daily nasa image)
Aug 30 00:36:58 <Eguy> Oh yes
Aug 30 00:37:06 <Eguy> the launch was awesome last night
Aug 30 00:38:15 <Eguy> I've been streaming nasa tv since last night pretty boring right now though... TPS inspection
Aug 30 00:39:51 <Templarian> It's a real channel on campus. Usually pretty boring unless there is launch.
Aug 30 00:42:05 <rwhitby> Aunt Minnie posts again: http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=1855977#post1855983
Aug 30 00:42:26 <Eguy> Bugger me
Aug 30 00:42:35 <Eguy> she struck hard again
Aug 30 00:43:01 * rwhitby wonders if Eguy realises what "bugger me" means in australian slang ...
Aug 30 00:43:08 <Eguy> aye
Aug 30 00:43:15 <Eguy> I work wiith an assue
Aug 30 00:43:19 <Eguy> aussie*
Aug 30 00:43:32 <rwhitby> I'll assume it wasn't a request then ;-)
Aug 30 00:43:38 <Eguy> not from you
Aug 30 00:43:39 <Eguy> :D
Aug 30 00:43:53 <Mogren> i just installed the terminal app from preware but the terminal opens to a blank black screen, what'd i miss?
Aug 30 00:44:04 <Eguy> plugin
Aug 30 00:44:14 <rwhitby> Mogren: the wiki instruction on how to install Terminal properly
Aug 30 00:44:31 <Mogren> haha ok sorry
Aug 30 00:44:38 <rwhitby> oil: we need dependency support :-)
Aug 30 00:45:05 <oil> is it in the feeds?
Aug 30 00:45:08 <rwhitby> yep
Aug 30 00:45:30 <oil> still no screenshots or description though?
Aug 30 00:45:30 <oil> xD
Aug 30 00:45:32 <rwhitby> you should get it as Depends in the info results
Aug 30 00:45:33 <Templarian> oil: might want to force it to download the latest version of said dependency also.
Aug 30 00:45:46 <rwhitby> oil: working on them this weekend
Aug 30 00:45:56 <rwhitby> function before form ....
Aug 30 00:46:48 <rwhitby> Templarian: ipkg will do that depending on the exact text added to the Depends: field
Aug 30 00:47:28 <rwhitby> oil: be aware that Depends: can have version operators in it.  I'll dig up some info for you.  You can ignore it safely, cause ipkg will handle that part.
Aug 30 00:52:42 <rwhitby> oil: an example: Depends: python26, py26-routes (>=1.7), py26-simplejson (>=1.4)
Aug 30 00:53:03 <rwhitby> we just need to extract the package names out of a string like that.
Aug 30 00:53:29 <rwhitby> comma separated, strip anything in parentheses from the end of each item
Aug 30 01:20:43 <tharris-> hi
Aug 30 01:32:08 <rwhitby> http://groups.google.com/group/webos-internals-announce/browse_thread/thread/410754878d221096
Aug 30 01:32:38 <rwhitby> https://twitter.com/webosinternals/status/3636279970
Aug 30 01:32:58 <rwhitby> http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/200660-preware.html
Aug 30 01:33:03 <oc80z> whats hood
Aug 30 01:33:21 <rwhitby> the thing that covers your head?
Aug 30 01:42:25 <Abyssul> Is there a luna-send command to obtain the battery percent?
Aug 30 01:47:03 <tharris-> anyone seen where input is being escaped in refards to  double quotes?
Aug 30 01:47:13 <tharris-> my javascript is executing alert(1) but not alert("test")
Aug 30 01:59:17 <tharris-> ..
Aug 30 02:09:15 <Ikyo> Abyssul I think the WIKI has it
Aug 30 02:09:50 <Abyssul> is itMojo.Service.Request('palm://com.palm.power/com/palm/power/', {method: 'batteryStatusQuery',});
Aug 30 02:10:12 <Ikyo> so you need that in a luna-send?
Aug 30 02:10:21 <Abyssul> Ya
Aug 30 02:11:01 <Abyssul> I need to modify a GPS script I have to include battery percent
Aug 30 02:11:21 <Ikyo> the way that most have it don't work?
Aug 30 02:11:33 <Abyssul> what ways?
Aug 30 02:11:44 <Abyssul> http://palmpre-hacks.com/code/track.txt
Aug 30 02:11:46 <Abyssul> Thats what I use atm
Aug 30 02:13:05 <Ikyo> so you are wanting this for a webpage?
Aug 30 02:14:13 <Ikyo> bat=$(grep BATTERY: /var/log/messages | tail -1 | awk '{print $8}' | sed 's/%,//')
Aug 30 02:14:51 <Abyssul> yes
Aug 30 02:14:58 <Abyssul> The Pre is hosting the page
Aug 30 02:15:05 <Ikyo> that will get you the battery info
Aug 30 02:15:07 <Abyssul> and currently displays the coordinates as a googles map
Aug 30 02:15:26 <Ikyo> com.palm.power is private from what I can tell
Aug 30 02:15:32 <Abyssul> mmk
Aug 30 02:15:59 <Ikyo> I used to have something setup on mine that did it, but it killed my batter life and I lost it when I had to dr my phone.
Aug 30 02:16:31 * aYellowBanana waves
Aug 30 02:16:32 <aYellowBanana> hai guys
Aug 30 02:16:33 <Abyssul> Well this only draws power when someone visits the website
Aug 30 02:16:42 <Eguy> herro dere
Aug 30 02:16:44 <Abyssul> and that should only be you (or anyone you give the link to)
Aug 30 02:16:50 <aYellowBanana> damnit, I always leave when the scene booms >_> I would have loved to help with PreWare -__-
Aug 30 02:17:27 <Eguy> you sold your pre?
Aug 30 02:17:30 <Ikyo> yeah, but I also had a cron running that would text back your GPS coordinates.
Aug 30 02:17:43 <aYellowBanana> Eguy, never had one. Just played with the emulator. rofl
Aug 30 02:17:55 <Eguy> LOL
Aug 30 02:18:12 <Eguy> you didn't really "leave" the scene then huh?
Aug 30 02:18:16 <Abyssul> Ya I don't like that script
Aug 30 02:18:50 <aYellowBanana> Eguy, naaw ;)
Aug 30 02:18:58 <Eguy> :D
Aug 30 02:19:39 <Abyssul> Ikyo, would you be able to implement that into my script?
Aug 30 02:19:56 <tharris-> how u texting it back to to Ikyo
Aug 30 02:20:12 <Ikyo> yeah, I will be back in a bit.  I need to grab dinner the g/f is getting pissed
Aug 30 02:21:30 <Eguy> hhahaha man slave
Aug 30 02:25:49 <rwhitby> hey aYellowBanana, welcome back.
Aug 30 02:26:01 <aYellowBanana> heey rwhitby! :D
Aug 30 02:26:11 <Eguy> Nothing like home eh
Aug 30 02:26:26 <aYellowBanana> I see you have things rolling nicely :)
Aug 30 02:26:33 <aYellowBanana> grats on the PreWare
Aug 30 02:27:40 <rwhitby> aYellowBanana: thanks.  I love it when a plan comes together ;-)
Aug 30 02:27:56 <aYellowBanana> world domination next? ;)
Aug 30 02:28:09 <Eguy> hahahhaa
Aug 30 02:28:19 <Eguy> sudo worlddomination.sh
Aug 30 02:28:46 <rwhitby> aYellowBanana: I have to get one of those fluffy white cats first ...
Aug 30 02:29:07 <aYellowBanana> oh fuck yes, those are a necessitie. And extremely cute on top of that
Aug 30 02:29:15 <aYellowBanana> I just fucked up spelling so bad.
Aug 30 02:29:18 * aYellowBanana facepalms
Aug 30 02:29:27 <Eguy> ....and a hollowed out volcano
Aug 30 02:29:39 <Eguy> secret lair
Aug 30 02:29:49 * aYellowBanana is one the phone trying to get shit straightened out with his rewardzone
Aug 30 02:30:02 <aYellowBanana> Eguy, LMFAO
Aug 30 02:30:07 <Eguy> [apple nerd joke]Hey wait a minute, the webos channel is a secret lair![/joke]
Aug 30 02:30:34 <Eguy> apple fanboy I should say
Aug 30 02:39:24 <Ikyo> nothing wrong with liking apple
Aug 30 02:39:49 <Eguy> hmm
Aug 30 02:39:57 <Eguy> can you repeat that?
Aug 30 02:40:08 <Eguy> I thought I read something completely insane :)
Aug 30 02:40:24 <Ikyo> That I like my Mac?
Aug 30 02:41:04 <Eguy> Ouch, that stung a bit
Aug 30 02:41:34 <Abyssul> Treason!
Aug 30 02:42:05 <Ikyo> Abyssul: put in this after the $gps, $bat=$(grep BATTERY: /var/log/messages | tail -1 | awk '{print $8}' | sed 's/%,//') then in the title do: <title>Location of my Palm Pre Battery: <?php echo $bat ?></title>
Aug 30 02:42:16 <Eguy> Infadel Spy!
Aug 30 02:42:21 <Eguy> :P
Aug 30 02:42:23 <Ikyo> I guess you could say love with as many as I have
Aug 30 02:43:04 * rwhitby is typing this on a Mac ...
Aug 30 02:43:39 <aYellowBanana> I personally don't give a shit about MAC hardware, but Snow Leopard is a sexy beast
Aug 30 02:43:41 <rwhitby> but I could just as easily type it in the windows or linux virtual machines that are running.
Aug 30 02:43:50 <aYellowBanana> but I still would like a sexy aliminum unibody macbook....
Aug 30 02:43:52 * aYellowBanana orgasms
Aug 30 02:43:58 <rwhitby> operating systems are just tools - a means to an end, not an end in themselves.
Aug 30 02:44:16 <aYellowBanana> if anything, OS X is my favorite
Aug 30 02:44:20 <Ikyo> so very true Rwhitby
Aug 30 02:44:27 <aYellowBanana> what's better than a mainstream and stable Unix based OS?
Aug 30 02:44:28 <tmzt> they manage data structures and interrupts
Aug 30 02:44:30 <tmzt> mostly
Aug 30 02:44:44 <Ikyo> had to go pick up my copy of Snow Leopard today
Aug 30 02:45:02 <tharris-> what is the ex86 optware path>
Aug 30 02:45:05 <tharris-> ?
Aug 30 02:45:13 <rwhitby> tharris-: i686g25 feed
Aug 30 02:45:17 <tharris-> ty
Aug 30 02:48:50 <tharris-> blew away my emu
Aug 30 02:49:09 <tharris-> :/ dont mess with the sms on the emu it is not good
Aug 30 02:49:32 <Ikyo> what do you mean?  It isn't that bad except no sound
Aug 30 02:52:47 <Abyssul> Ikyo, that script is break the webpage
Aug 30 02:53:04 <Abyssul> wow, poor grammer...
Aug 30 02:53:42 <Ikyo> I will have to play around with it some to see what I can do.  I did mine a little differently
Aug 30 02:54:03 <Abyssul> We have the Pre host the server
Aug 30 02:54:27 <Abyssul> i mean the webpage
Aug 30 02:56:37 <tharris-> emu is fine, love it, just sometimes i make it broken
Aug 30 02:57:32 <k4p741nkrunch> Yeaaah just saw the Palm Pre in "The Shack" commercial
Aug 30 02:57:56 <k4p741nkrunch> Awesome
Aug 30 02:58:12 <Eguy> aYellowBanana: are you kidding? the Unibody models are horrible in the quality department
Aug 30 02:58:38 <aYellowBanana> Eguy, I'd rather have that than a cheap discoloring plastic model
Aug 30 02:58:57 <k4p741nkrunch> You saying the Pre is made of cheap plastic?
Aug 30 02:59:15 <aYellowBanana> yes.
Aug 30 02:59:19 <aYellowBanana> doesn't feel like it though
Aug 30 02:59:23 <aYellowBanana> just held my first yesterday
Aug 30 02:59:28 <aYellowBanana> I fell in love ^.^
Aug 30 02:59:37 <Eguy> Ugh
Aug 30 02:59:53 <Eguy> I have heard many many complaints of failing hardware on the unibody ones
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