**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 30 02:59:57 2009 Aug 30 03:00:01 Because I'm sure the already struggling Palm would call any material on this thing anything but cheap :P Aug 30 03:00:02 My 2006 MBP is still alive Aug 30 03:00:11 ...somewhat Aug 30 03:00:24 Snow leopard is a waste of money Aug 30 03:00:41 30 bucks? hahaha Aug 30 03:00:42 Yeah, I bought one and it tore apart my computer room Aug 30 03:00:53 10 for me :P Aug 30 03:00:58 not even worth that Aug 30 03:01:00 ooh, pimp xD Aug 30 03:01:04 why is that? :) Aug 30 03:01:11 (the 10 price) Aug 30 03:01:18 educator's discount :D Aug 30 03:01:28 oooohhh xD Aug 30 03:01:38 what/where do you teach? Aug 30 03:01:54 Information Tech ;) Aug 30 03:02:05 Where Eguy Aug 30 03:02:16 At a school Aug 30 03:02:20 hahahaha Aug 30 03:02:25 grade school? ;) Aug 30 03:02:31 High school Aug 30 03:02:46 I want to go to a school with a teacher who develops for the Palm Pre :D Aug 30 03:03:00 haha Aug 30 03:03:01 lmfao, same here Aug 30 03:03:18 I am technically not a "teacher" but I can squeeze myself in there when it comes to discounts LOL Aug 30 03:03:29 I'd pass on doing my final exam, but program a sick app and be like "listen teach.." Aug 30 03:03:31 LMAO Aug 30 03:04:01 I wish we had an IT class....we probably do......... Aug 30 03:04:07 Kinda what I did for my senior year in high school Aug 30 03:04:19 I'm taking AP Computer Science next year... Aug 30 03:04:23 I don't remember high school LOL Aug 30 03:04:28 (is entering sophomore year) Aug 30 03:04:43 Ikyo, any luck? Aug 30 03:04:49 'Honors research project" Yeah right I just played UT2K4 for 4 months and pumped out a java app in 2 weeks Aug 30 03:04:59 hahaha Aug 30 03:05:03 ha Aug 30 03:05:20 I fucking hate how they changed from C++ to Java in AP Comp Science Aug 30 03:05:39 C++ is a thing of the past Aug 30 03:05:42 But now you can program for your wonderful new Pre :D Aug 30 03:05:47 And I totally agree Aug 30 03:05:54 Java is the next level for C++ Aug 30 03:06:04 * aYellowBanana leave the channel Aug 30 03:06:21 I'm more into the low level. Buffer overflows, shellcode, etc Aug 30 03:06:42 Java ≠ Javascript fyi Aug 30 03:06:54 Well welcome to the high level, here's your mountain dew and trendy t-shirt Aug 30 03:07:13 high level == low level Aug 30 03:07:20 My favorite new code is silverlight Aug 30 03:07:23 high != low Aug 30 03:07:26 beats flash hands down Aug 30 03:08:02 Dammit why am I watching the news Aug 30 03:08:18 haha Aug 30 03:08:32 * aYellowBanana slaps Eguy Aug 30 03:08:34 xD Aug 30 03:08:51 Woah, MadTV gives back is on Aug 30 03:08:55 not fair Aug 30 03:09:02 anyone here in Chicago? Aug 30 03:09:23 LOL Aug 30 03:09:29 Anyone here in Taxachusetts Aug 30 03:09:36 nope, I live in civilization thx Aug 30 03:10:04 Yeah I don't get EVDO anywhere up here Aug 30 03:10:12 We still have operator Aug 30 03:10:15 s* Aug 30 03:10:16 :P Aug 30 03:10:21 hahaha Aug 30 03:10:24 why are all the hackers hicks? Aug 30 03:10:26 lmfao jk Aug 30 03:10:29 But my blue box still works! Aug 30 03:10:33 lol Aug 30 03:10:38 lmao Aug 30 03:10:40 rwhitby is not a hick Aug 30 03:10:48 where does he live? Aug 30 03:10:58 Georgia :P Aug 30 03:11:03 Bwahaha Aug 30 03:11:09 nope Aug 30 03:11:15 I lied.. Aug 30 03:11:28 aYellowBanana: I've never had the pleasure of even touching a Pre Aug 30 03:11:35 The news makes me lie.. Aug 30 03:11:43 woah Aug 30 03:11:44 Fox news? Aug 30 03:11:44 rwhitby, you are a role model O_O Aug 30 03:11:51 Yeah Faux news Aug 30 03:11:56 hahaha Aug 30 03:12:14 * rwhitby lives down under. Aug 30 03:12:25 lmao, where DO you live? :D Aug 30 03:12:39 Adelaide, Australia. Aug 30 03:12:42 * k4p741nkrunch slides a mountain dew under his bed "Just in case you get thirstly" Aug 30 03:13:03 Oooh that down under Aug 30 03:13:13 Si Aug 30 03:14:31 * rwhitby heads out - bbl. Aug 30 03:14:34 rwhitby you may get the experience of the Pre with the emu but you need to get a Pre just to feel the glory of the Touchstone Aug 30 03:15:03 stop teasing me ! my touchstone is in the mail =o( Aug 30 03:15:28 you cannot use a touchstone with your computer Aug 30 03:15:35 Unless it's a reaaally light netbook Aug 30 03:16:22 hahaha touchstone Aug 30 03:16:27 I have one on my nightstand Aug 30 03:16:31 I love it Aug 30 03:16:40 It was made for the ultimate lazy Aug 30 03:16:48 I glued mine to my forehead Aug 30 03:17:03 does the usb cable go in your.....? Aug 30 03:17:05 Uber lazy Aug 30 03:17:07 Can someone help me with some javascript stuff real quick? The dbus service com.palm.display sends a signal with Aug 30 03:17:07 "event: displayOff" when the screen is turned off. How do I subscribe to the event within my app? Aug 30 03:17:53 can't.....think....now... Aug 30 03:18:33 com.palm.bus/signal/addmatch seems to be able to create a subscription to just about any dbis signal, but I can't Aug 30 03:18:33 figure out parameters to use for the specific one I want Aug 30 03:20:34 too bad rwhitby just left Aug 30 03:21:01 I wish I could subscribe to his thought process Aug 30 03:21:31 heey v3ritas Aug 30 03:21:33 He is godly Aug 30 03:21:58 Hey, what's up? Aug 30 03:22:08 Can someone help me implement the battery status into my GPS script? Aug 30 03:22:12 Not much at all really Aug 30 03:22:21 There are a few starts Aug 30 03:22:25 How so Abyssul? Aug 30 03:22:26 not many clouds... Aug 30 03:22:31 stars* Aug 30 03:22:49 aww RIP 4scrape =\ Aug 30 03:22:59 4scrape? Aug 30 03:23:02 I have a .php script which runs on my Pre-hosted webpage Aug 30 03:23:06 amazing wallpaper site Aug 30 03:23:10 and it currently has a active google maps Aug 30 03:23:16 Finally died today though Aug 30 03:23:22 I just use any iphone site Aug 30 03:23:27 Same rez Aug 30 03:23:39 but I want to add the battery status to my webpage Aug 30 03:23:47 That's one thing those fruit lovin bastards are good at, graphic design Aug 30 03:23:49 what a sec Aug 30 03:23:55 when did tpb go backup Aug 30 03:23:59 last week Aug 30 03:24:04 Like a day after it went down Aug 30 03:24:16 Because of the contraversy Aug 30 03:24:17 aha! Aug 30 03:24:24 illegal downloaders... Aug 30 03:24:26 GET EM! Aug 30 03:24:29 lol Aug 30 03:24:36 :P Aug 30 03:24:38 Investors dropped out and Sweden froze the stocks on the company who wanted to buy it Aug 30 03:24:55 is anything legit on there? Aug 30 03:25:07 or any torrent site for that matter Aug 30 03:25:08 The creators are still in control of it Aug 30 03:25:18 yeah, dev taem hosts their stuff there (if you consider that legit) Aug 30 03:25:31 * aYellowBanana has abandoned his project of porting text based rpgs to the Pre Aug 30 03:25:58 Sad to see how fast Snow Leopard was online Aug 30 03:26:03 when it is only $25 Aug 30 03:26:10 lol Aug 30 03:26:17 unless you have < Leopard Aug 30 03:26:24 k4p741nkrunch: do you think you can help? Aug 30 03:26:26 i wonder if i could get it working on my asus... Aug 30 03:26:29 In which case, Apple pwned you Aug 30 03:26:34 I don't know why the investors dropped out, but I think the company buying it was not actually going to 'clean it up' but keep the torrent servers running and report users to the RIAA. When the investors realized that, they dropped out Aug 30 03:27:28 grrrr RIAA Aug 30 03:27:39 They have nothing else better to do with their lives Aug 30 03:27:51 I know there's a getBatteryPercent function in the main bar that pulls the battery percent, you should be able to mostly copy that function Aug 30 03:29:34 Where is it though? Aug 30 03:29:43 One sec Aug 30 03:33:58 wiki wiki wkik wiki Aug 30 03:34:42 Anyone know how to setup setuid on a script? Aug 30 03:34:45 well it uses this.batteryLevel and getBatteryPercent Aug 30 03:34:56 hmmm Aug 30 03:35:29 An example is /usr/lib/luna/system/luna-systemui/app/controll Aug 30 03:35:29 ers/bar-assistant.js Aug 30 03:35:56 The main bar at the top of the screen where it normally shows the battery Aug 30 03:36:47 ya Aug 30 03:38:46 too bad "luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.power/getBatteryPercent {}" doesn't exist Aug 30 03:39:53 what about getBatteryLevelPercent Aug 30 03:40:18 well how would I check if it exists? lol just input it into putty? Aug 30 03:40:37 exactly Aug 30 03:41:03 no luck Aug 30 03:41:30 what about getBatteryLevelPercent(percent) Aug 30 03:41:58 Oooh or payload.percent_ui Aug 30 03:42:04 wow that was weird Aug 30 03:42:10 my phone just restarted Aug 30 03:42:24 ah yes Aug 30 03:42:28 what were u doing Aug 30 03:42:29 welcome to webOS Aug 30 03:42:44 Finding new luna-send commands lol Aug 30 03:43:27 heh Aug 30 03:43:36 // Show the battery level if not charging Aug 30 03:43:36 if (!this.isCharging) { Aug 30 03:43:36 Mojo.Log.info("SystemUI- Is Charging "+ this.isCharging + " Battery level "+ i); Aug 30 03:43:36 if (batteryLevelImage == 0) { Aug 30 03:43:38 $('power').className = 'battery-' + i; Aug 30 03:43:40 } Aug 30 03:43:42 else if(batteryLevelImage == 1) { Aug 30 03:43:44 $('power').className = 'battery-percent'; Aug 30 03:43:46 $('power').innerHTML = this.getBatteryLevelPercent(payload.percent_ui, batteryLevelCo$ Aug 30 03:43:49 } Aug 30 03:43:51 else if(batteryLevelImage == 2) { Aug 30 03:43:53 $('power').className = 'battery-percentimage'; Aug 30 03:43:55 $('power').innerHTML = '' + this.getBattery$ Aug 30 03:43:58 } Aug 30 03:44:06 hmmm Aug 30 03:44:08 lol look at the injection there Aug 30 03:44:19 PASTEBIN Aug 30 03:44:23 geesh Aug 30 03:44:24 yeah Aug 30 03:44:24 Sowee Aug 30 03:44:24 rofl Aug 30 03:44:26 please use Aug 30 03:44:49 Servers all around the world must be rebooting by now Aug 30 03:45:32 wonder where i is set Aug 30 03:49:03 -sh: syntax error: "(" unexpected Aug 30 03:49:17 That is from " luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.power/getBatteryLevelPercent(perce nt)" Aug 30 03:49:31 well there's a space in there silly Aug 30 03:49:44 haha jk Aug 30 03:49:51 hehe :p Aug 30 03:51:15 anyone familiar with installing an ampache server for the ampache app? Aug 30 03:51:25 I would love to figure this out so I can get the battery level to display in big letters in the middle of the touchstone charging screen Aug 30 03:51:34 That would be awesome Aug 30 03:51:36 I use subsonic Aug 30 03:51:53 Can't you use a normal itunes or winamp streaming server Aug 30 03:52:07 analog`: i was trying to do that today with no luck =\ Seems like a pain to set it up on jauty Aug 30 03:52:07 idk, i don't have itunes or winamp Aug 30 03:52:10 I need to figure out how to get xm to work :) Aug 30 03:52:18 v3ritas, yeah i have jaunty too Aug 30 03:52:33 Abyssul what did the script do? My guess is gave you some type of php error? Aug 30 03:52:41 I still need to set up that dual boot.. Aug 30 03:53:06 k4p: the touch stone uses the lock screen right? Aug 30 03:53:14 Nope, a different one Aug 30 03:53:19 analog`: I searched around google & found a few tutorials but most were at least 2 years old. I was hoping to find a simple gui or something Aug 30 03:53:26 Nope Aug 30 03:53:32 The page would just refuse to load Aug 30 03:53:43 Linux and GUI.....sounds like you need Ubuntu :) Aug 30 03:53:50 Nothing, I couldn't even pull up the source code Aug 30 03:53:51 did you look at the apache error logs? Aug 30 03:53:54 v3ritas, i have it all installed but i can't run the install.php from my computer Aug 30 03:53:59 firefox won't open it Aug 30 03:53:59 I have it ;) lol, i got started on ubuntu & just stayed with it Aug 30 03:54:09 analog: what does it do? Aug 30 03:54:18 not sure Aug 30 03:54:23 I started with Slackware and FreeBSD Aug 30 03:54:23 The touchstone screen is an all black screen that displays the time Aug 30 03:54:25 did you try hhtp://loclahost/ampache? That would go further than i went Aug 30 03:54:27 i assumed it would install lol Aug 30 03:54:39 i couldn't connect to localhost/ampache Aug 30 03:54:39 eww firefox Aug 30 03:54:48 which was another issue Aug 30 03:54:53 PHP isn't run on the browser FYI Aug 30 03:54:55 i'm not that good with computers Aug 30 03:55:02 PHP is a server side scripting language. Aug 30 03:55:03 Ikyo, yeah i read that Aug 30 03:55:15 i was confused about that Aug 30 03:55:27 i thought ampache basically setup a server on the computer that i could connect to from the pre Aug 30 03:55:31 but i probably misunderstood Aug 30 03:55:35 It does Aug 30 03:55:46 Well the server part of it Aug 30 03:55:54 you have to configure it...you also have to punch holes into your firewall if you want to access it on EVDO Aug 30 03:56:13 i don't really know how to do any of that Aug 30 03:56:14 Analog: Want an easier solution? Aug 30 03:56:31 do you know of other sites i could use on the ampache app? Aug 30 03:56:37 If you want to access over evdo just set your computer to a static IP address, log into your routers interface and forward the corresponding ports to your IP Aug 30 03:56:38 Ikyo, sure Aug 30 03:57:04 http://subsonic.sourceforge.net/ Aug 30 03:57:20 perfect thanks Aug 30 03:57:38 So... back to the battery Aug 30 03:58:03 BTW Ikyo I don't know what everyone's deal is with the contact tones, but mine works perfectly Aug 30 03:58:37 Default tone plays if nothing is specified, custom tone is played when specified, and wakes it up from sleep still Aug 30 03:58:59 K4p: Yeap, after we found out where the bug was at. Aug 30 03:59:13 Abyssul: are you sure the apache you have on the device is configured to run PHP? Aug 30 03:59:45 If you just did the ipkg-opt install apache, php, etc. It won't configure all of it. Aug 30 03:59:48 Ikyo you might be able to help us with our battery question Aug 30 04:00:48 Yes Aug 30 04:00:48 Analog: he is writing a Android app so hopefully we can either port it over and he is also building an API for it :) Aug 30 04:00:55 The google maps works fine Aug 30 04:01:04 Abyssul set up a web server on his phone and he's trying to get it to pull the battery percent. I was looking at some of the functions from the bar-assistant.js file but none of them are working standalone Aug 30 04:01:07 so it works without the battery string? Aug 30 04:01:14 Yes Aug 30 04:01:24 pastebin me the script Aug 30 04:01:29 I am betting you forgot a ; Aug 30 04:01:35 http://palmpre-hacks.com/code/track.txt Aug 30 04:02:34 no, I need the one you have with the Battery string in it Aug 30 04:02:34 luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.power/getBatteryPowerLevel{} Aug 30 04:02:56 i dont have it now lol. I couldn't get it to work so I gave up Aug 30 04:02:57 did getBatteryLevelPercent work? Aug 30 04:03:01 idk Aug 30 04:03:07 and if that is actually working you are running the webserver as root ......BAD IDEA Aug 30 04:03:08 Im booting up now Aug 30 04:03:16 no it doesn't Aug 30 04:07:48 I had a cron script that sent over data to a SQL table on a remote server :) Aug 30 04:08:43 Abyssul: Did you add the line like I said to below the GPS one? Aug 30 04:09:01 K4P: did you see what they requested next? Aug 30 04:09:32 For the contact tone app or are you talking about the battery Aug 30 04:09:48 K4P: someone wanted seperate msg tones for each email account Aug 30 04:09:48 So No, I guess I didn't Aug 30 04:09:53 yes Aug 30 04:09:55 Oooh I saw that Aug 30 04:09:55 Ill try again Aug 30 04:09:56 Hahaha Aug 30 04:10:22 That guy would probably fill up his /media/internal with tiny soundclips Aug 30 04:11:00 I need to edit my first post and remove the damn howto. People are not evening paying attention. They just cut all of it and run it. Aug 30 04:11:15 Anyone know any good places to get some short notification sounds? Aug 30 04:11:25 Me too Aug 30 04:12:35 http://pastebin.com/d3f5ae1b6 Aug 30 04:12:37 Ikyo I was thinking about starting a new forum for the Pre with the prerequisite to join being YOU HAVE TO KNOW WTF YOU'RE DOING Aug 30 04:13:10 I dont qualify Aug 30 04:13:12 I helped out that annoying guy for you Aug 30 04:13:26 Prenutbutter or whatever his name was Aug 30 04:13:36 you should see the new one.....I almost fell out of my chair laughing at the damn PM Aug 30 04:13:58 Abyssul that won't work Aug 30 04:14:04 you need to use $bat Aug 30 04:14:15 and remove the $ after the = Aug 30 04:14:16 That guy had all the commands laid out 4 times, and it took me saying *Stop here if you just want to remove the apps* for him to get them removed Aug 30 04:15:36 http://pastebin.com/d7acefd5e Aug 30 04:15:55 I've never seen so many commercials for a damn search engine before Bing Aug 30 04:16:13 haha PrenutButter Aug 30 04:16:46 I don't think that was his name but he was just as smart as spread Aug 30 04:17:04 http://pastebin.com/d427c2e81 Aug 30 04:17:11 that is a PM I got about removing the patch Aug 30 04:17:17 that will give you a good laugh Aug 30 04:17:18 Bing is such a sexual reference Aug 30 04:17:21 we all know that Aug 30 04:18:02 wtf # Aug 30 04:18:02 quilt push -a -f Aug 30 04:18:02 # Aug 30 04:18:02 Removing patch /opt/src/patches/message-orientation.patch Aug 30 04:18:18 push != remove patches Aug 30 04:18:44 the funny part is he wants to remove them, but goes and updates them and reapplies them :) Aug 30 04:19:13 Like I said, I had to tell him to STOP to get them removed Aug 30 04:19:32 Ikyo it worked Aug 30 04:19:42 But it says 95 when my battery is 100 Aug 30 04:19:45 I told the same person to post the output from what he was going and he just kept sending me the howto over and over Aug 30 04:20:01 yeah, there is an issue with it Aug 30 04:20:03 Maybe look at the get actual battery percent patch Aug 30 04:20:13 mmk Aug 30 04:21:43 Is there a way I can keep the battery icon though Aug 30 04:21:49 but have realtime percentage? Aug 30 04:22:32 So you created a webserver running on your Pre that spits out coordinates at regular intervals? Or do you have a "Get location" button to help reduce battery drain Aug 30 04:23:55 it only queries when he hits the page Aug 30 04:24:01 I believe that the Pre would only drain battery when a user requests the webpage Aug 30 04:24:02 I like that Aug 30 04:24:05 Yep Aug 30 04:24:07 Thats why I love it Aug 30 04:24:12 No impact Aug 30 04:24:19 but when you need it, bam... its there :) Aug 30 04:24:30 except if it goes to sleep ) Aug 30 04:24:32 Abyssal, mind if I use that? Aug 30 04:24:48 It works asleep I think Aug 30 04:24:56 Sure Aug 30 04:25:14 You used apache on the Pre? Aug 30 04:25:23 Activate the vibrator: it is on the wiki Aug 30 04:25:23 No Aug 30 04:25:33 it won't work asleep FYI Aug 30 04:25:40 are you sure? Aug 30 04:25:42 yes Aug 30 04:25:54 thats a bummer Aug 30 04:25:57 when it is sleeping....it is like hibernate on your PC Aug 30 04:26:09 Mine never goes to sleep. It's just like me Aug 30 04:27:02 Is there a work around Ikyo? Aug 30 04:27:13 no work around for sleep mode Aug 30 04:27:28 I already talked to Geist about it extensively and no dice Aug 30 04:27:38 Thats weird Aug 30 04:27:49 The pre is still technically connected to the internet right? Aug 30 04:28:10 What about altering the base sleep function to allow wake up via eth0 and ppp0 Aug 30 04:28:13 nope Aug 30 04:28:23 Palm had to have done it to allow calls to come in Aug 30 04:28:35 you can have fun screwing with powerd Aug 30 04:28:44 and what about texts, mail, and other notifications Aug 30 04:28:55 mail won't wake it Aug 30 04:29:05 texts and phone are something different Aug 30 04:29:10 Ahah! Aug 30 04:29:38 Just because the processor is asleep doesn't mean the radio is. When a call or text comes in, it send a signal to the radio which causes the device to wake up. Aug 30 04:29:59 Set your server to send a text using 4445556666@messaging.sprintpcs.com approx 30 seconds before it makes the GPS request Aug 30 04:30:00 It is very similar to putting a computer to sleep, but allowing ethernet traffic to wake it up. Aug 30 04:30:08 Oh wait Aug 30 04:30:14 The server is on the Pre.. Aug 30 04:30:19 lol Aug 30 04:30:30 There has to be a work around Aug 30 04:30:34 but its like 12:30 here lol Aug 30 04:30:40 disable powerd Aug 30 04:30:45 Well you can send the email just before you access your site Aug 30 04:30:49 and watch your battery life go to shit Aug 30 04:31:27 Thats why I use the text keyword to report back with google maps link for now Aug 30 04:31:36 That might work Aug 30 04:31:48 Ikyo Aug 30 04:31:52 My Pre is asleep Aug 30 04:31:57 and I just pulled up my webpage Aug 30 04:32:06 are you sure it is asleep? Aug 30 04:32:09 yes Aug 30 04:32:13 no charger or touchstone Aug 30 04:32:16 not just the screen off Aug 30 04:32:27 ssh into the device and see if it gives the powerdown message Aug 30 04:32:45 I can't ssh, I use wifi Aug 30 04:32:59 yes you can Aug 30 04:33:13 Mine is asleep right now and I can't do anything to it remotely. Aug 30 04:33:29 Wifi is only on when the phone isn't asleep Aug 30 04:33:35 we need a way to wake up the device remotly Aug 30 04:33:50 SSH Evdo-style RainMan Aug 30 04:33:58 evdo go asleep as well Aug 30 04:34:30 23:34:11 up 1:37, 2 users, load average: 12.34, 6.05, 3.38 holy crap batman Aug 30 04:34:42 I guess it doesn't put the evdo to sleep Aug 30 04:34:57 if my pre is asleep Aug 30 04:35:06 i cant connect to it via the evdo Aug 30 04:35:26 Mine should be asleep. I haven't touched it in like 2 hours Aug 30 04:35:32 Haha :) Aug 30 04:35:45 out Aug 30 04:35:49 timeout Aug 30 04:36:28 Hey guys one thing I noticed you might be able to help with Aug 30 04:36:42 Whenever I run top it shows 5 users Aug 30 04:36:52 But I only have root and one other acct Aug 30 04:37:13 witch user ? Aug 30 04:37:25 Hey Ikyo, think we could add heading and speed to the GPS data? Aug 30 04:37:26 I run it as root Aug 30 04:37:27 linux have many user built in Aug 30 04:37:37 some process have their own user etc Aug 30 04:37:44 I thought that might be it but Ikyo just said he had 2 Aug 30 04:38:01 are you runnin apache or something like that ? Aug 30 04:38:11 Now 7 users Aug 30 04:38:18 Abyssul: You can add it. You just have to change the cut command for those fields Aug 30 04:38:28 Ok ill mess with it Aug 30 04:38:31 k4p741nkrunch Aug 30 04:38:34 I have dropbear and thats all Aug 30 04:38:38 do "who" in the CLI Aug 30 04:38:53 i have 5 user now Aug 30 04:39:00 mostly "dead" ssh connection Aug 30 04:39:04 Yeah it shows multiple roots and multiple k4p741ns Aug 30 04:39:18 One from Aug 18th Aug 30 04:39:34 yea the timeout on the dropbear process seems to be long Aug 30 04:39:34 And it says idle 00:00 Aug 30 04:40:00 the ip ? it's yours? Aug 30 04:40:18 3 roots don't show IP's Aug 30 04:40:29 2 k4p741ns are from the pre itself Aug 30 04:40:33 * oil is connected to your pre Aug 30 04:40:34 muhahahaha Aug 30 04:40:37 and theres 2 roots from my IP Aug 30 04:40:47 I set up a keylogger, what now Aug 30 04:40:55 hmmm, might be able to get xm streaming after all Aug 30 04:40:56 root without ip .. sound like "terminal" on the device Aug 30 04:41:07 Yeah but it's not running Aug 30 04:41:09 hey guys how do I see logging output from Mojo.Log? Aug 30 04:42:02 this app kicks ass Aug 30 04:42:03 http://www.macworld.com/article/138829/2009/02/radium.html Aug 30 04:42:03 I think these open threads could be slowing my Pre down Aug 30 04:42:09 it'S 4 mac Aug 30 04:42:10 tail -f /var/log/messages Aug 30 04:42:14 will show you teh logs Aug 30 04:42:14 impossibel to "kick ass" on mac Aug 30 04:42:16 common Aug 30 04:42:17 ;) Aug 30 04:42:17 lol Aug 30 04:42:23 hmm, I didn't think I saw anything in there Aug 30 04:42:42 are you doing Mojo.Log.error ? Aug 30 04:43:03 Any way to kick user? Aug 30 04:43:34 aww, there it is Aug 30 04:43:39 MAGICS Aug 30 04:43:39 I just wasn't used to its logging format Aug 30 04:43:54 which is why i use alert() Aug 30 04:43:55 creepy palm pre ad! Aug 30 04:43:57 its easier to pick out Aug 30 04:43:57 * phish3 likes how unexpectedly linux standardish the pre is Aug 30 04:44:08 k4p741nkrunch reboot ! ;) lol Aug 30 04:44:13 I have Aug 30 04:44:19 if not kill the process directly Aug 30 04:44:21 There's one logged in from the 18th Aug 30 04:45:13 Lol im not even gonna touch heading, direction, and speed on my script Aug 30 04:45:16 * oil has been muckin with your pre for a whiles Aug 30 04:45:16 Wont work Aug 30 04:46:38 probably because how they are being passed to google Aug 30 04:46:58 anyone know how to find info on all the luna services used behind the scenes? Aug 30 04:47:07 they're mostly all java based Aug 30 04:47:29 yes phish we've looked at most of them. Aug 30 04:47:35 did you review the info in the wiki? Aug 30 04:47:41 we've BUILT new services.... Aug 30 04:47:44 I didn't see how to call much of them Aug 30 04:47:47 oh cool Aug 30 04:48:13 you can't call most of them. SOme are public, but some are available only to programs in the com.palm namespace. Aug 30 04:48:34 is it possible to fake that? Aug 30 04:48:48 not really, no. Aug 30 04:48:59 but it's possible to build and install NEW services. Aug 30 04:49:08 again, review the research reports on the wiki Aug 30 04:49:18 yes but i need access to some low levels, alrighty checking there now Aug 30 04:49:44 what sort of low levels do you want? Aug 30 04:49:52 k4p741nkrunch: you installing my script? Aug 30 04:50:05 Rick_work: access to the sim card for one Aug 30 04:50:07 device info Aug 30 04:50:12 there is no sim card Aug 30 04:50:24 it's a cdma device Aug 30 04:50:28 there is no sim card Aug 30 04:50:40 that explains why it was hard to find info on Aug 30 04:50:47 humm if it not released ! i think palm work on sim card pre ! ;) Aug 30 04:50:49 Abyssul if you can figure out the wake up through EVDO, right now mine works through EVDO and that's absolutely pivotal for a tracking method Aug 30 04:50:54 device info is available, check palm's api docs at developer.palm.com Aug 30 04:51:15 Mine works through sleep Aug 30 04:51:22 k4p741nkrunch you can wake up via EvDO ? Aug 30 04:51:25 when the gsm pre comes out in Europe (soon) there will be a sim card. But not now. Aug 30 04:51:35 I track through SMS keyword Aug 30 04:51:42 note that Verizon is cdma as well. No sims. Aug 30 04:51:42 I've just tested it now Aug 30 04:52:00 Rick_work: does that mean contacts are just stored in another sqlite db somewhere? Aug 30 04:52:10 yes that's exactly what it means Aug 30 04:52:22 wow I couldn't find them in /home/root anywhere Aug 30 04:52:25 rebooting and it STILL shows 7 users Aug 30 04:52:26 WTF Aug 30 04:52:39 that's because that's not where they are. Aug 30 04:52:39 can I kill users somehow Aug 30 04:52:45 I figured as much Aug 30 04:52:51 yes, they are stored in a db3 file Aug 30 04:52:52 just didn't know where to look Aug 30 04:53:08 db3 = berkely db? Aug 30 04:53:12 find / | grep .db Aug 30 04:53:25 no not berkely Aug 30 04:53:26 sqlite Aug 30 04:54:13 k4p741nkrunch: My script works even if the Pre is asleep Aug 30 04:54:39 Now if only I could get speed and heading in the script Aug 30 04:55:01 Abyssul what is you script ? (sorry i've missed somme msg) Aug 30 04:55:18 Doesn't seem too hard, it's just syntax which has been incorporated before Aug 30 04:55:31 A webpage that is hosted on the Pre itself, and draws the data locally Aug 30 04:55:42 Which can be accessed anywhere there is internet Aug 30 04:55:51 I don't know code k4p741nkrunch Aug 30 04:55:54 I'm caught up trying to figure out why my Pre has 7 users, ones that persist through reboot and show up in who dated 8/18 Aug 30 04:55:56 kk but it use Evdo and wifi constantly no ? Aug 30 04:56:06 byebye battery longevity with that kind of script ? Aug 30 04:56:14 It only draws power when someone visits your webpage Aug 30 04:56:14 Abyssul look at the gps tracking script on the webos-internals wiki Aug 30 04:56:19 I have Aug 30 04:56:33 They put heading and speed in there Aug 30 04:56:43 At the bottom I believe Aug 30 04:56:43 Ya, but I suck at code lol Aug 30 04:56:50 hoo i need to know how to wakeup that damn think remotely ... if it'S asleep .. even via evdo i got ping timeout Aug 30 05:00:00 Can someone take a look at my who output and tell me if this is normal Aug 30 05:00:01 http://webos.pastebin.com/d747e188a Aug 30 05:00:25 just do a ps auxww |grep sh Aug 30 05:01:02 4 roots Aug 30 05:01:30 a script running as root and a script running as k4p741n Aug 30 05:01:33 Makes no sense Aug 30 05:01:36 No cards open Aug 30 05:01:44 sounds like you have had some logins crash or terminal Aug 30 05:01:49 Lately my battery has been draining like mad Aug 30 05:01:55 * oil running scripts as oil Aug 30 05:02:16 2 pdflush's Aug 30 05:04:15 I have sftp and dropbear and I'm always ssh'ed in through wifi. That's all that should be constantly running Aug 30 05:08:02 well i ca'nt ssh to evdo now (and i have the good ip) Aug 30 05:08:02 lol Aug 30 05:14:36 Ikyo how can I kill crashed logins Aug 30 05:16:57 Was anyone from here involved in the php tweeting gps bizarreness? Aug 30 05:17:22 humm just for my information .... can you ssh your pre via evdo ip ? Aug 30 05:17:41 Who in the world would tweet their GPS location constantly to Twitter Aug 30 05:17:45 i was able .. but now for XXX reason .. i got ping timeout .. even if my pre is on Aug 30 05:17:47 That's ASKING for stalkers Aug 30 05:17:51 (wake up state_ Aug 30 05:17:58 k4p741nkrunch: with PHP on the device in cron no less. wtf Aug 30 05:18:40 that's clearly a job for a service or a headless app calling the existing services Aug 30 05:19:10 Ikyo, can you look at my script? Aug 30 05:19:37 PHP in cron?? Aug 30 05:19:41 RainMan: you can ssh into your pre via evdo if your dropbear upstart script is configured for it Aug 30 05:19:49 I think it only works if the device is awake Aug 30 05:20:16 yea .. i know but now the device is awake ... but i cant connect to it Aug 30 05:20:21 i activate the wifi Aug 30 05:20:22 i can ! Aug 30 05:20:29 yesterday i was able to do it ! Aug 30 05:21:05 but you're telling me i can config the dropbear to wake up the device remotely ? Aug 30 05:25:09 if I sKill root what will happen Aug 30 05:25:20 end of earth! Aug 30 05:25:25 ;) Aug 30 05:25:30 And will that clear ALL the roots littering my WHO Aug 30 05:25:44 * oil wont be killed! Aug 30 05:26:24 I need some serious help cleaning this up, I think it's killing my battery somehow Aug 30 05:27:06 webos doctor Aug 30 05:27:23 doctor to the rescue Aug 30 05:28:19 http://pastebin.com/d3035e027 Aug 30 05:28:22 What am I doing wrong Aug 30 05:28:33 I've never doctored before Aug 30 05:28:42 The Speed, Direction and Accuracy just show coordinates Aug 30 05:30:28 k4p741nkrunch: which thought process do you want to subscribe to? Aug 30 05:30:46 Tho one that gets shit done Aug 30 05:30:52 the one where you get everyone else to write software for you? Aug 30 05:31:20 i want an app to be able to get chiks at my door Aug 30 05:31:26 can you code that 4 me plz ? Aug 30 05:31:39 lol Aug 30 05:31:53 You saying everyone writes for you? Or are you referring to me? Aug 30 05:31:55 RainMan: oil can probably do an app that will achieve that result Aug 30 05:32:24 hahaha nice !! oil is not promoted to "friend" in my life Aug 30 05:32:29 not = now Aug 30 05:32:34 OMG Aug 30 05:32:35 http://www.salmonellablog.com/20_kent_chicks.jpg Aug 30 05:32:39 look at all those hot chicks! Aug 30 05:32:47 sexy Aug 30 05:32:50 hahaha Aug 30 05:32:54 i want an egg !! i like it young Aug 30 05:32:59 ;) Aug 30 05:33:05 haha Aug 30 05:33:20 Those chicks look kinda cold Aug 30 05:33:38 with oil ! you can do anything Aug 30 05:33:39 ;) Aug 30 05:33:42 cold or not! Aug 30 05:33:43 ;) Aug 30 05:33:47 a gis for chicks with safesearch off is very interesting Aug 30 05:34:04 http://images.kaneva.com/filestore3/3363593/3953012/chicksUdyedUmorocco_ad.JPG Aug 30 05:34:10 those are chicks at a rave Aug 30 05:34:36 * RainMan i got "vicks" .. massage time ! Aug 30 05:34:44 Dayum, that's animal cruelty Aug 30 05:34:48 haha Aug 30 05:34:54 Or the Puff factory Aug 30 05:36:50 Im guessing that the Pre battery never technically hits 100%? Aug 30 05:36:59 Mines been hovering at 97% for hours Aug 30 05:37:20 Okay that's it, I'm doctoring Aug 30 05:37:28 Mine hovers at 97% for 12 seconds Aug 30 05:37:57 lol Aug 30 05:38:02 GOnna lose all your hacks Aug 30 05:38:15 gonna lose everything Aug 30 05:38:19 be sure to backup your pics Aug 30 05:38:29 I even lost my contacts ( fucking Palm) Aug 30 05:38:38 i didnt Aug 30 05:38:52 My Profile is glitched in their server and won't fully upload to my Pre Aug 30 05:39:01 I backed up all my hacks that aren't in the patches Aug 30 05:39:07 rwhitby sorry to ask ! but in what i can modify the starup script of dropbear to be able to pull the pre out of sleep via evdo ? =o/ Aug 30 05:39:08 Abyssul, make a new one... Aug 30 05:39:21 Whats the point? Aug 30 05:39:21 Also I'm trying openssh this time Aug 30 05:39:32 The new Profile wont have my contacts Aug 30 05:39:39 add them. Aug 30 05:39:44 From what? Aug 30 05:39:44 then if there is a next time Aug 30 05:39:47 it will work. Aug 30 05:40:01 RainMan: dunno Aug 30 05:40:06 kk lol Aug 30 05:40:11 Where am I suppose to get the contacts from? Aug 30 05:40:15 Hmm, I just realized something Aug 30 05:40:23 My Pre was set to backup every day Aug 30 05:40:34 That's probably not great for the battery Aug 30 05:40:36 on palm server ;) Aug 30 05:41:02 Functionality > Battery, sometimes Aug 30 05:41:10 I'd rather have my contacts backed up Aug 30 05:41:24 And it's only once a day Aug 30 05:41:40 Okay, I'm gonna bite the bus and doctor it, otherwise I never will and the bugged users will just keep growing Aug 30 05:41:40 export them from the DB Aug 30 05:41:59 k4p: REboot the phone and tell me how many users are on it Aug 30 05:42:07 7 still Aug 30 05:42:15 After BATTERY PULL Aug 30 05:42:26 are you running cron? Aug 30 05:42:32 I posted a pastebin of my who output Aug 30 05:42:48 I have con, sftp, and ssh Aug 30 05:42:52 cron* Aug 30 05:42:54 sounds like you've installed some pretty weird shit Aug 30 05:43:02 I just rofl'ed Aug 30 05:43:06 they are all fine man Aug 30 05:43:28 me 2 .. rebooting the pre dont change anything on the number of "loged" user Aug 30 05:43:45 Then why is my battery draining quicker than the salt lick in Rosie O' Donnells dressing room Aug 30 05:44:15 well that didn't work worth shit.... Aug 30 05:45:03 you guys with the multiple users are both bellmo people, right? Aug 30 05:45:07 Ikyo, can you review my script? Aug 30 05:45:12 yup 4 me Aug 30 05:45:13 Nope Aug 30 05:45:26 oh, k4p741nkrunch isn't then.. hmm Aug 30 05:45:30 sure, I can look at it while I am searching Aug 30 05:46:16 I'm just gonna doctor to see if my battery gets any better Aug 30 05:46:27 and i cant kill the process ! ... i think i will need to "spy" the pts and do an exit manualy Aug 30 05:46:32 k4p741nkrunch: I wonder if something has modified your os Aug 30 05:46:35 It was GREAT last week just after I installed the CPY scaling Aug 30 05:46:52 My phones been locking up from the overclocking and CPU scaling Aug 30 05:46:56 5th time today Aug 30 05:47:01 I have it working great Aug 30 05:47:06 could look and see if there is anything in your event.d that is wierd Aug 30 05:47:07 Never a lockup, consistently fast Aug 30 05:47:09 I gotta temper with it some Aug 30 05:47:22 Mine only lockups when Im SSHing Aug 30 05:47:23 I check my cputime all the time and the majority is always spent in 125000 Aug 30 05:48:05 http://pastebin.com/d7957b30d Aug 30 05:48:49 Abyssul: why in the world would you want to run a web server on your pre? Aug 30 05:49:03 GPS tracking Aug 30 05:49:15 or I could give you a stupid answer Aug 30 05:49:15 there are so many ways to do gps tracking though Aug 30 05:49:20 Or to run the worlds slowest forum Aug 30 05:49:33 running a web server on the pre is one of the worst IMO Aug 30 05:49:35 Shoot it takes 20 seconds just to bring up the google map Aug 30 05:50:12 what you want is a service or headless app that pushes the data to some other place on the internet, somewhere that's always on Aug 30 05:50:22 since your pre will want to go to _sleep_ after all Aug 30 05:50:37 Pre is like an old man in that sense Aug 30 05:50:40 Abyssul that script is way wrong Aug 30 05:50:44 I know Aug 30 05:50:46 lol Aug 30 05:51:03 I've given up on it Aug 30 05:51:09 Hi everybody! Aug 30 05:51:22 Hi! Aug 30 05:51:25 how much is t worth to you :) Aug 30 05:51:47 $5.61 Aug 30 05:51:47 Idc as much about the speed and crap lol Aug 30 05:51:51 Lol Aug 30 05:51:58 But Its nice to have Aug 30 05:52:02 Abyssul: yeah but battery life Aug 30 05:52:07 or unavailability Aug 30 05:52:13 Ok Destinal... :p Aug 30 05:53:04 Are you guys abe to login directly as root from ssh? Aug 30 05:53:06 Damnit I don't want to doctor Aug 30 05:53:17 yes Aug 30 05:53:25 I've doctored 7 times now Aug 30 05:53:25 The pretty lady on my background says "Noo, don't format me!" Aug 30 05:53:31 hmmm... what did i screw up Aug 30 05:53:39 sudo -i Aug 30 05:53:42 ooo Aug 30 05:53:51 but you cant do root@IP ADDRESS Aug 30 05:54:04 v3ritas: you have to either set up a ssh key or change dropbear's startup script to allow passworded root login Aug 30 05:54:09 the former is more secure Aug 30 05:54:09 I'm gonna go out and smoke a cigarette and if the battery drains below 95% by the time I'm done, I'm doctoring Aug 30 05:54:14 Thanks destinal Aug 30 05:54:47 v3ritas: either way you'll have to set a root password Aug 30 05:54:54 does linux have a utility to log on other tty and take "control" of it ? Aug 30 05:55:09 RainMan: not really no Aug 30 05:55:09 in what way? Aug 30 05:55:29 Fbsd have it but i dont remember the name of the port =o( Aug 30 05:55:41 i want to "log" on other tty to "exit" them cleanly Aug 30 05:55:53 i dont know why they dont timeout with dropbear Aug 30 05:55:56 Some of the other WebOS Internals devs have some good ideas for the next generation of patch management technology too ... ask PuffTheMagic and destinal for details in the IRC channel if you are interested. Aug 30 05:55:57 -- Rod Aug 30 05:55:59 kill the shells Aug 30 05:56:00 hmm? Aug 30 05:56:10 Trying to setup a simple script to run rsync from the host, without the commands needing to be put in on the pre, but permissions seem to be a issue Aug 30 05:56:18 RainMan: I've played with a spy-able getty before but I think you'd have to change your init configuration to run a special getty though Aug 30 05:56:25 tmzt that what is weird ! ... no shell are running Aug 30 05:56:48 RainMan: what processes run on the tty's? Aug 30 05:57:24 Decimation_: are you asking what those ideas are? Aug 30 05:57:26 nothing =o/ Aug 30 05:57:32 destinal: yesir. Aug 30 05:57:45 but with "who" i got 5 user ... when i'm loged only with 1 ssh (no therminal) Aug 30 05:57:47 doctoring is a blast... Aug 30 05:57:49 Decimation_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duck_punching Aug 30 05:57:54 Duck punching :) Aug 30 05:57:58 http://pastebin.com/d724ead9f Aug 30 05:58:08 is the main idea Aug 30 05:58:09 try that Abyssul Aug 30 05:58:16 awesome Aug 30 05:58:20 14% Aug 30 05:58:31 * destinal cringes Aug 30 05:59:01 It refuses to load Aug 30 05:59:34 Classic: http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=1856566&posted=1#post1856566 Aug 30 06:00:19 after step 4 "Select Package Manager Service and Preware from the list." Aug 30 06:00:36 should be step 5 "DOUBLE FUCKING CHECK THAT YOU SELECTED BOTH PACKAGES" Aug 30 06:00:54 caps helps Aug 30 06:00:55 lol Aug 30 06:00:57 destinal: duck punching - i like it. Aug 30 06:01:09 check your apache error logs and tell me what they say Aug 30 06:01:25 how would I do that? Aug 30 06:01:29 ohh crap, remove the ) that I left in them Aug 30 06:01:33 i did Aug 30 06:01:37 Im loading it now Aug 30 06:02:22 destinal the weird thing .. i gotr a "user" on pts/0 ... but when i do a "ps" .. no process is on pts/0 .. so nothing to kill Aug 30 06:02:28 Map doesn't have coordinates and all the information is in the speed and direction fields Aug 30 06:02:29 also change the echo $ acc to echo $alt Aug 30 06:02:37 rwhitby: lol, i love when people yell at someone when it is there own fault. Aug 30 06:02:38 Altitude is empty Aug 30 06:02:46 especially when they aren't paying for anything... Aug 30 06:03:06 does altitude even matter? Aug 30 06:03:15 Lol not really Aug 30 06:03:22 problem solved Aug 30 06:03:24 destinal it's possible that the "terminal service" use the "pts/0" by default ? Aug 30 06:03:26 NEXT Aug 30 06:03:39 What is the density of oil? Aug 30 06:03:51 0.25674 Aug 30 06:03:52 google.com Aug 30 06:03:54 NEXT Aug 30 06:04:06 lmgtfy.com Aug 30 06:04:15 is a great site Aug 30 06:04:22 i use it all the time when people ask stupid questions Aug 30 06:05:47 ah yes Aug 30 06:05:50 lmgtfy Aug 30 06:06:02 RainMan: the terminal plugin uses lots of pty's but for users Aug 30 06:06:05 you should look at http://live.lmgtfy.com/ Aug 30 06:06:12 blackle.com Aug 30 06:06:19 however many logged in sessions you make is how many pty's it will have Aug 30 06:06:33 yup Aug 30 06:06:34 if you don't open terminal, there will be none Aug 30 06:06:48 but logged session doesnt timeout Aug 30 06:06:52 rofl Aug 30 06:06:57 wtf Aug 30 06:07:01 RainMan: you need to type exit Aug 30 06:07:06 before throwing away the card Aug 30 06:07:12 it' hard to type exit when you do a reboot ;) Aug 30 06:07:20 when you do a reboot they go away Aug 30 06:07:56 just like an ssh'd user won't stay logged in through a reboot, the mechanism for opening a pty and keeping one open doesn't survive reboots Aug 30 06:08:02 err vty Aug 30 06:08:12 did it output the spd and direction right? Aug 30 06:08:38 RainMan: where are you seeing multiples? Aug 30 06:08:39 no Aug 30 06:08:45 what did it output? Aug 30 06:08:48 all three places display all the fields Aug 30 06:08:56 and the map didnt have coordinates Aug 30 06:08:58 destinal okay so if you open a terminal . and close the card whitout "exit" ... and you reopen another terminal .. you have another tty ! .. Aug 30 06:09:04 but you Cant close the first one Aug 30 06:09:21 you can kill the bash opened by the first one, yeah Aug 30 06:09:28 that will close it Aug 30 06:09:28 last time i rebooted the pre i got 5 user (after the reboot) .. Aug 30 06:09:30 http://pastebin.com/dd306aca Aug 30 06:09:37 it is way too late for me to think :) Aug 30 06:09:50 RainMan: 5 user's where Aug 30 06:09:54 ya its 2 am here Aug 30 06:09:56 yea but the trouble is no process run on the pts/- Aug 30 06:10:01 like what tool? Aug 30 06:10:06 destinal "who" and "top" cmd Aug 30 06:10:25 haha. live.lmgtfy so many webos ones... Aug 30 06:10:26 who I can get, maybe if there was an issue with the wtmp file, maybe Aug 30 06:10:34 but how are you seeing logged in users with top? Aug 30 06:10:54 at the top of top (lol) Aug 30 06:11:01 w8 mine is rebooting now Aug 30 06:11:02 pastebin me some of that Aug 30 06:11:05 there are a lot funnier ones than the webos ones ;) Aug 30 06:11:24 kk w8 .. Palm pre is WORST than windows on booting ! lol Aug 30 06:11:43 *at* Aug 30 06:11:45 Guess we can work on it later Ikyo? Aug 30 06:12:12 RainMan: Luna is sloooow to start Aug 30 06:12:29 Abyssul try that one and tell me what the fields say if they are still screwed up Aug 30 06:12:35 Luna needs a turbo charger Aug 30 06:12:41 It didnt make a difference Aug 30 06:13:21 * rwhitby bbl Aug 30 06:14:41 fuser/lsof Aug 30 06:14:46 don't use wtmp Aug 30 06:14:59 what does the Speed field show? Paste it here Aug 30 06:15:00 RainMan: yeah, it's only "who" and "top" that show this Aug 30 06:15:10 it's a wtmp issue Aug 30 06:15:11 but i shound get 2 user Aug 30 06:15:20 (mine + sudo -i = root) Aug 30 06:15:20 try just "w" Aug 30 06:15:27 should* Aug 30 06:15:33 instead of who Aug 30 06:15:35 not 4 ? Aug 30 06:16:04 w is okay Aug 30 06:16:25 it's odd, it happens with ssh'd in users too, it's just misreporting Aug 30 06:16:35 since their entries in wtmp never got cleaned up Aug 30 06:16:37 but with "who" ... i got the "last connection" on pts2 (the one i'Ve used to reboot the pre) Aug 30 06:16:41 anyone have any website where there are notification .mp3s? Aug 30 06:16:49 RainMan: basically, don't listen to it Aug 30 06:16:51 it's wrong Aug 30 06:16:53 kk Aug 30 06:16:53 they're not logged in Aug 30 06:17:44 well enough 4 that .. now why i cant ssh via evdo! ;) Aug 30 06:18:07 i'Ve done it so many time yesterday Aug 30 06:18:13 RainMan: did you remove the -i eth0 from your /etc/event.d/optware-dropbear ? Aug 30 06:18:40 also as far as I know it won't ever be able to wake up for incoming connections over evdo, so don't hope for that Aug 30 06:18:47 i think so since i dont have it in the file Aug 30 06:18:50 but if it's awake, you should be able to come in Aug 30 06:20:16 RainMan: are you using the default 222 port and are there port 222 opening rules in the iptables lines of that optware-dropbear script? Aug 30 06:20:36 i'Ve changed the port but the rule as well Aug 30 06:20:40 i can ssh on wifi Aug 30 06:20:47 RainMan: sprint may block inbound 22 Aug 30 06:20:52 but on evdo i dont know why! Aug 30 06:20:57 and bellmo maybe as well Aug 30 06:21:01 no i'm on a uppter port Aug 30 06:21:03 22000 Aug 30 06:21:13 I'd try with 222 Aug 30 06:21:15 just in case Aug 30 06:21:17 I get 7 users after reboot Aug 30 06:21:33 k4p741n: use "w" not who Aug 30 06:21:44 you can always remove the wtmp file and reboot also Aug 30 06:22:42 shows 7 users but only k4p741n is in the list Aug 30 06:23:41 try: sudo rm /var/log/wtmp; sudo reboot Aug 30 06:24:14 it clears your last history but also the not really logged in user issue Aug 30 06:25:17 then just be sure to exit your shells before rebooting the pre Aug 30 06:25:43 and it shouldn't recur, I would imagine Aug 30 06:28:25 BTW it went down to 92% in just a 10 minute cigarette break Aug 30 06:28:37 That's almost 1% a minute Aug 30 06:28:40 stop d/L porn ;) Aug 30 06:29:16 quess who still has 7 users Aug 30 06:29:20 U Aug 30 06:29:28 Nope, Oil Aug 30 06:29:32 Damn Aug 30 06:29:36 no candy for me Aug 30 06:29:46 And this is come delicious candy Aug 30 06:30:06 But seriously, I still have 7 in top, who, and w Aug 30 06:30:11 * oil is there! Aug 30 06:30:21 oil is hacking your pre ! Aug 30 06:30:35 That's why it's all slippery Aug 30 06:30:58 chips and pre , it'S not a good mix ;) Aug 30 06:31:08 k4p741n: so did you try removing wtmp and rebooting yet? Aug 30 06:31:13 Yep Aug 30 06:31:26 then are you sure you don't actually have 7 of you logged in? Aug 30 06:31:36 Why would I? Aug 30 06:31:45 that's the million dollar question Aug 30 06:31:53 Can I put the 7 line output here or need me to pastebin it Aug 30 06:32:05 best to pastebin Aug 30 06:32:27 http://webos.pastebin.com/d747e188a Aug 30 06:33:06 1.44 is my desktop, 1.3 is my Pre Aug 30 06:33:54 I'm sorry, 1.3 is my deskop, 1.44 is my old desktops IP Aug 30 06:33:55 sux Aug 30 06:34:01 k4p741n: run last -10 real quick? Aug 30 06:34:15 or last -30 actually since you're pastebinning anyway Aug 30 06:34:35 k4p741n pts/0 192.168.1.3 Sun Aug 30 02:28 still logged in Aug 30 06:34:35 wtmp begins Sun Aug 30 02:28:52 2009 Aug 30 06:34:41 ok so it's not wtmp Aug 30 06:34:43 hmm Aug 30 06:34:52 same output Aug 30 06:34:53 where else could "who" be getting it? Aug 30 06:37:15 k4p741n: try sudo rm /var/run/utmp /var/log/wtmp Aug 30 06:37:21 then reboot again (sorry) Aug 30 06:37:58 no prob, I want to see if I can get this solved, test the battery again, then if nothing gives I'll doctor Aug 30 06:38:09 I think it's another case of ghosts Aug 30 06:38:12 not really logged in users Aug 30 06:38:23 just stale entries in a log Aug 30 06:39:12 unfortunately if I'm right, they're not having any impact on the battery thing Aug 30 06:39:47 If it still shows up as 7 then it's possible there's some renegade scripts running Aug 30 06:40:14 well not really, the fact that they overlap on the same terminal and that their dates are prior to reboot, I highly doubt it Aug 30 06:40:20 wow you still have that problem? Aug 30 06:40:38 it's the system reporting something that isn't true Aug 30 06:40:38 well i'm stuck i realy cant ssh via EvDO .. even if i change the port (if bellmo block the port) Aug 30 06:41:21 RainMan: you might try opening your firewall all the way and run netcat on a port and see if you can even make inbound connections to your phone Aug 30 06:41:26 Hooray one user Aug 30 06:41:36 really? Aug 30 06:41:49 yeah, stale utmp entries then Aug 30 06:41:52 cool Aug 30 06:42:13 JUST took it off the touchstone and it's already at 98% Aug 30 06:42:30 well I never trust the top few % points anyway Aug 30 06:44:14 wow Aug 30 06:44:19 winSCP freezes my phone Aug 30 06:44:58 on bellmo the "battery %" doenst work Aug 30 06:45:10 the patch goes well .. but no change in luna Aug 30 06:46:14 down to 96% now Aug 30 06:46:19 Think that's fast? Aug 30 06:46:31 * oil eats your battery %s Aug 30 06:46:41 k4p741n: wow Aug 30 06:46:47 Oil you're supposed to make things run smoother!! Aug 30 06:46:56 k4p741n in sleep mode or you'Re using it ? Aug 30 06:47:14 Just sitting here next to me, goes to sleep every 3 minutes Aug 30 06:47:24 the more things you do to figure out why its eating battery Aug 30 06:47:26 k4p741n: how's your cell tower strength? Aug 30 06:47:27 Didn't even get the chance to since I checked it at 98% Aug 30 06:47:27 makes it eat more battery Aug 30 06:47:31 its so funny that way Aug 30 06:47:32 Cell tower is off Aug 30 06:47:41 oh Aug 30 06:47:42 I get no service at home Aug 30 06:47:47 sux Aug 30 06:47:50 do you have it in airplane mode? Aug 30 06:47:52 go in "plane" mode Aug 30 06:47:59 ;) Aug 30 06:48:09 I have the radiopower patch and turned it off there Aug 30 06:48:14 I use wifi Aug 30 06:48:28 SUPPOSED to be lower battery than the radio Aug 30 06:48:45 well I know that normally if it can't hear the tower it uses more and more power trying to be heard Aug 30 06:49:09 I'm just gonna doctor Aug 30 06:49:12 the biggest battery sucks I've ever had are from lack of CDMA connections Aug 30 06:49:20 Doesn't need to be in dev mode right Aug 30 06:49:21 k4p741n: I'd try airplane mode once just to be sure Aug 30 06:49:26 maybe it's an issue with the patch Aug 30 06:49:52 lack of CDMA will decimate my battery in just a couple of hours Aug 30 06:49:53 Alright 2:50 at 95% just wen into airplane Aug 30 06:49:59 I'll check again at 3 Aug 30 06:51:00 peace out guys Aug 30 06:51:08 later Abyssul Aug 30 06:51:15 Peace Aug 30 06:52:43 I'm going to bed also Aug 30 06:53:02 Thanks for helping me clear the dead k4p741ns Aug 30 06:53:24 you're welcome Aug 30 06:53:29 good luck with the battery life thing Aug 30 06:53:48 For the record 3 minutes in while it was sleeping I'm at 94 Aug 30 06:54:03 ugh Aug 30 06:54:47 well I'd track it for a bit because it could have been like 94.6 to 94.3, not sure how it rounds Aug 30 06:55:04 can the modem be turned off? Aug 30 06:55:08 you need at least a couple percentage points I'd thing Aug 30 06:55:10 think Aug 30 06:55:11 Yep Aug 30 06:55:11 it probably rounds like everything else rounds Aug 30 06:55:12 lol Aug 30 06:55:42 oil: well whether it rounds or truncates Aug 30 06:56:11 should have said not sure IF it rounds (tired) Aug 30 06:56:21 night Aug 30 06:56:32 lol Aug 30 06:56:35 later Aug 30 06:58:48 i really dont have acces via eVdo remotly =o/ Aug 30 07:00:07 hmm, airplane mode seems to have done the trick Aug 30 07:00:10 so your problem is not enough access Aug 30 07:00:11 94 % now Aug 30 07:00:16 and k4p741n has too much access Aug 30 07:00:16 xD Aug 30 07:00:23 From oil yah Aug 30 07:00:42 haha Aug 30 07:00:43 This guy practically spraypaints my motherboard with his code Aug 30 07:00:49 once he opens up evdo access, ill be sure to get on his pre too Aug 30 07:01:19 Oil you'll never find the pr0nz Aug 30 07:01:50 I partitioned the Pre, installed Windoze and used folder encryption Aug 30 07:01:53 i never look for the porn Aug 30 07:02:07 you never know what kind of weird shit you'll find Aug 30 07:02:21 and id rather not look at your weird homoerotic fetishes xD Aug 30 07:02:29 I worked at Firedog, and sometimes.. you don't have to look for it Aug 30 07:02:36 lol Aug 30 07:02:39 And oil why must you assume pr0n = homo Aug 30 07:02:42 when i work on peoples pcs Aug 30 07:02:45 You pessimistic sod Aug 30 07:02:49 i NEVER look in the history Aug 30 07:02:55 i dont look where i dont need to to fix it Aug 30 07:03:00 ive learned that lesson Aug 30 07:03:10 That's policy most places Aug 30 07:03:17 lol Aug 30 07:03:20 And I follow policy.. *snicker* Aug 30 07:03:25 not for protection of the client Aug 30 07:03:27 but the tech Aug 30 07:03:29 haha Aug 30 07:03:39 Nah mostly I do Aug 30 07:04:18 But one time this guy did have that guy who played Joker completely naked behind another man as his wallpaper, and we aren't allowed to change it Aug 30 07:04:41 lololol Aug 30 07:04:47 i would refuse to work on it Aug 30 07:05:03 My god, I'm glad I never repaired a vista ultimate machine there. Those homos would have a giant balls orgy over dreamscene Aug 30 07:05:41 this is what i enter the IRC to see... Aug 30 07:05:56 I'm sorry :/ Aug 30 07:06:07 * k4p741n slaps himself *pull it together man!* Aug 30 07:06:13 :P Aug 30 07:06:14 lol Aug 30 07:06:21 So the airplane mode seems to have worked Aug 30 07:06:30 Still at 94% after 15 minutes Aug 30 07:06:42 Must be the search for a signal Aug 30 07:07:04 i just got a new case for my pre Aug 30 07:07:05 SOOO nice. Aug 30 07:07:08 hey, whats changed on the accessing linux? Aug 30 07:07:20 Decimation... what kind? Aug 30 07:07:21 when i originaly did it, there was putty etc... only novaterm now? Aug 30 07:07:27 jtemple: what do you mean? Aug 30 07:07:28 Decimation_: What case did you get? I've been trying to find a good one for mine Aug 30 07:07:32 I've been looking for one but the Palm one is butt ugly Aug 30 07:07:46 jtemple: yes, novaterm.. it eliminates installing python.. etc. Aug 30 07:07:53 v3ritas stop subscribing to my thought process Aug 30 07:08:08 whats the process for coopy and pasting? Aug 30 07:08:13 it doesn't seem to work Aug 30 07:08:19 cap'n: I can't help it ;P It just pops into my head as you think it Aug 30 07:08:28 k4p741n, v3ritas: one second, let me find a picture or something of it Aug 30 07:08:39 jtemple: yeah, c&p doesn't seem to work. Aug 30 07:08:55 this wedding is horseshit. Aug 30 07:09:03 lol Aug 30 07:09:16 Oh Step Brothers Aug 30 07:09:25 i cant find a picture or anything Aug 30 07:09:29 just bought it at the mall Aug 30 07:09:32 It's the fucking catalina wine mixer Aug 30 07:09:38 it clips on the the back/front so i can slide Aug 30 07:09:49 Niiice Aug 30 07:09:52 its black, completely matches the pre, feels really nice in the hands Aug 30 07:09:54 i hated that movie the first time i watched it, bit after that... it's pretty funny Aug 30 07:09:59 i went to catalina for a week last week... i kept screaming that. apparentally they have no sense of humor. Aug 30 07:10:28 I at least want to get a screen protector but the screen is an odd shape Aug 30 07:10:38 Just tell them if they don't laugh, Oil will eat their dick Aug 30 07:11:01 * k4p741n hopes he's seen step brothers Aug 30 07:11:11 anyway, so i ask because i doctored my phone, but now putty doesnt work... is there a way to get that back up and running? Aug 30 07:11:15 like kobiashi? Aug 30 07:11:24 Hahaha Aug 30 07:11:24 v3ritas: i plan on getting a screen protector also. its too nice of a phone to risk getting a screen scratch. Aug 30 07:11:34 jtemple: what about novaterm? Aug 30 07:11:35 I have invisible armor Aug 30 07:11:39 risk? Aug 30 07:11:41 just be careful Aug 30 07:11:55 Decimation_: I think i have a small one on mine already =\ Aug 30 07:11:59 apparentally novaterm doesn't support C&P which makes life very difficult Aug 30 07:12:21 i did.. then i purposely broke the internet on my phone, called customer support Aug 30 07:12:28 lol Aug 30 07:12:34 after an hour of it not being "fixed" they said theyd give me a new one for free Aug 30 07:12:39 What did you do to break the interner? Aug 30 07:12:44 internet* Aug 30 07:12:46 Mine isn't to bad, i only notice it on a white screen, but it made me really want to get a protector Aug 30 07:12:47 ##data# Aug 30 07:12:50 ahh Aug 30 07:12:58 good ol MSL muckerry Aug 30 07:13:29 how do i fix putty ?!? :()()() Aug 30 07:13:29 I'd do that to mine but I can't reapply this invisible armor Aug 30 07:13:54 Just put it on a table and hit it with something flat, then you can start fresh Aug 30 07:14:34 ... why didn't i exclude /media/internal when i ran rsync... Aug 30 07:15:06 putty good. novaterm bad. Aug 30 07:15:10 got it Aug 30 07:15:20 jtemple: Nice, what did you do? Aug 30 07:15:38 v3ritas if you didn't exclude internal,, where are you storing the tar or whatever it sbackup up to? Aug 30 07:15:40 hahaha... Aug 30 07:15:43 loaded python :D Aug 30 07:16:33 cap'n: at the moment it just copies everything to a directory on my comp with my ipod backups, no tar to copy Aug 30 07:16:36 still at 94 percent! Aug 30 07:16:44 ahh cool Aug 30 07:17:01 I don't think I'm gonna doctor Aug 30 07:17:31 On my iPod it works on the host side (no need to enter the rsync info on the device) i want to set that up on my Pre. Maybe i'll just let rsync stay on... Aug 30 07:17:41 Airplane mode has proven itself one sexy battery saver. So it must be the fact I get no signal here Aug 30 07:18:08 My Veruzin phones used to do that all the time. I have no signal at work so they'd die within a few hours Aug 30 07:19:05 I switched it to roam only and kept data roaming off Aug 30 07:19:27 3:30 @93% Aug 30 07:19:31 http://store.precentral.net/seidio-innocase-surface/4A123A5675.htm Aug 30 07:19:33 thats the case i have Aug 30 07:19:35 the black one Aug 30 07:19:40 only i get it for half the price :P Aug 30 07:19:41 3:20@93%* Aug 30 07:19:42 Oh, i've been meaning to look this up: If we have the simply everything plan on our Pre, do we pay for Sprint Navigation? Aug 30 07:19:50 Decimation_: Thanks! Aug 30 07:19:51 v3ritas: no? Aug 30 07:20:33 Ahh so you like that case? Aug 30 07:20:34 Thank you. I thought i read that it was free, then i though in the app i saw that they charge based on daily usage, or per-use Aug 30 07:20:51 v3ritas I use it all the time no extra charge Aug 30 07:21:11 i never figured out why one would want to stick a bulky plastic protective cover around their phone Aug 30 07:21:12 Great. I've been hesitating to use it because i wasn't positive Aug 30 07:21:16 what are you trying to protect it from? Aug 30 07:21:27 Apple Aug 30 07:21:31 if you do protect it, what is the point? you've covered up what you want to protect Aug 30 07:21:50 and you just made it a more bulky, heavy device Aug 30 07:22:24 But your unnaturally birthed child now has a safe womb to call home Aug 30 07:22:45 let it live! Aug 30 07:22:47 I do love my Pre =] Aug 30 07:22:50 get out, see the world Aug 30 07:22:57 i <3 Pre Aug 30 07:23:05 sure, it'll probably get scratched, it'll take some wear and tear Aug 30 07:23:12 but that is what it means to live, be free! Aug 30 07:23:20 i lessthanthree my Pre :) Aug 30 07:23:50 course i guess it's easier for me to say that becuase i have a neverending supply of prototypes Aug 30 07:23:55 so if i trash one, oh well Aug 30 07:24:14 geist can I have one! Aug 30 07:24:25 I want to do legitimate battery testing Aug 30 07:24:36 k4p741n: yes, i love it, but i don't know how to get it off. Aug 30 07:24:40 Cpuscaling on/off mixed with radio configurations Aug 30 07:25:03 Sprint only, roam only on fringe service areas, Aug 30 07:25:09 generally speaking, whatever the radio does in sleep scenarios will completely dominate the power usage Aug 30 07:25:19 the cpu itself power collapses to essentially zero Aug 30 07:25:28 the radio is doing the bulk of the work Aug 30 07:26:08 Has anyone here seen The Happening/ Aug 30 07:26:31 Why not on demand change voltage in the cpu based on speed Aug 30 07:26:47 I can't do it. I can on demand change the speed but not voltage Aug 30 07:26:52 k4p741n: when the cpu is running at zero, the voltage is 0 Aug 30 07:26:55 v3ritas: stupid movie Aug 30 07:26:59 which is what it does in the bulk of the sleep states Aug 30 07:27:03 Or I can on-demand change the voltage and not speed Aug 30 07:27:17 Decimation_: THANK YOU. At least i'm not the only person to think so Aug 30 07:27:24 basically, we fooled with it and it doesn't work as well as it should Aug 30 07:27:25 My cpu never runs at 0 unless the phone is off, I tested it Aug 30 07:27:32 so we just left off the cpu scaling for release Aug 30 07:27:36 i wish i wouldve never seen it. Aug 30 07:27:36 we'll probably look at it again Aug 30 07:27:46 i saw halloween 2 on friday... Aug 30 07:27:48 k4p741n: that's not true. when it can, it'll drop to 0 Aug 30 07:27:50 it was brutal. Aug 30 07:28:03 Decimation_: I'm with you there Aug 30 07:28:12 here comes stupid question Aug 30 07:28:21 if it never power gated the cpu, it'd get like 2 hours battery life all the time Aug 30 07:28:22 within vi... how do i back up a file? Aug 30 07:28:23 halloween 2 was good, but just insane. Aug 30 07:28:25 Decimation_: Yeah, not really a fan of the super gorey movies Aug 30 07:28:45 v3ritas: the killing was so realistic, it almost made me sick Aug 30 07:28:51 jtemple: Why can't you just cp it to /media/internal/backups ? Aug 30 07:29:02 'not found' Aug 30 07:29:02 jtemple, just cp (path to file) (path to file.bak) Aug 30 07:29:03 the director behind that is really messed up. Aug 30 07:29:13 ooh... .back Aug 30 07:29:17 .bak* Aug 30 07:29:22 mkrdir /media/internal/backups Aug 30 07:29:28 Thats the scheme I use but you can use .orig Aug 30 07:29:46 i use .pooponme Aug 30 07:29:51 Decimation_: Yeah, not really into all of those. Especially SAW Aug 30 07:29:52 makes me smile everytime i seei t. Aug 30 07:30:02 I'm gonna call you Defication then Aug 30 07:30:13 v3ritas: lol, halloween was WAYY worse than anything saw could produce Aug 30 07:30:15 * oil too Aug 30 07:30:25 k4p741n: please do :D Aug 30 07:30:32 hahaha Aug 30 07:30:46 Decimation_: I'll steer clear then. I remember watching the originals (before Rob Zombie) & i'd get pissed that he didn't die =P Aug 30 07:30:50 Geist what configuration do you have for frequency scaling? Aug 30 07:30:58 Are you using SmartReflex? Aug 30 07:31:08 v3ritas: sorry to ruin it for anyone... he dies in this one Aug 30 07:31:15 and his sister becomes the killer. Aug 30 07:31:15 YESSS Aug 30 07:31:20 Now I'm gonna see it Aug 30 07:31:28 k4p741n: i dont think the dvfs stuff is on Aug 30 07:31:37 Decimation_: ... i was about to say "HELL YES" then i saw his sister... god damnit Aug 30 07:31:42 it didn't really make much of a difference, and added a lot of complexity Aug 30 07:31:45 lol, his sisters fineeee. Aug 30 07:31:53 Do you have it set to 600 MHz, and what is your up threshhold Aug 30 07:31:55 but at the end, hes going to kill her Aug 30 07:31:58 and get gets sniped Aug 30 07:32:02 it only really helps if there's a compelling reason to run the cpu at a low frequency Aug 30 07:32:07 and then she stabs him repeatedly Aug 30 07:32:11 its really messed up. Aug 30 07:32:12 He gets killed with a sniper? Aug 30 07:32:19 but for the most part you want to run whatever tasks you have and immediately drop the clock to zero Aug 30 07:32:23 He lives through grenades but taken down by a bullet? Aug 30 07:32:23 nah, hes alive after the sniper shot. Aug 30 07:32:34 Yeah that would be preferred geist Aug 30 07:32:41 then she stabs him about 30-40 times Aug 30 07:32:45 it was EXTREMELY messed up. Aug 30 07:32:46 the webos that's the most common scenario Aug 30 07:32:55 lots of processing, followed by lots of waiting Aug 30 07:32:58 Bout time he dies Aug 30 07:33:21 he sister stabs him a bunch Aug 30 07:33:31 then walks out of the building Aug 30 07:33:32 I have it set to a pretty high up_threshold then it bumps directly up to 600 MHz. It avoids the video artifacts and everything. Then I set it to a 3 minute standby, at which point it clocks to 125 MHz Aug 30 07:33:35 with the knife in her hand Aug 30 07:33:36 * oil saw inglorious bastards yesterday Aug 30 07:33:37 and his mask on Aug 30 07:33:51 You say you can clock it to 0? Aug 30 07:34:02 oh yes, it does it quite aggresively Aug 30 07:34:11 and definitely when it suspends (screen is off) Aug 30 07:34:12 Why can't horrible movies just die? Halloween, Hostel, SAW... pleeeeeeeeeeease Aug 30 07:34:23 so minfrequency can be set to 000000 no problem? Aug 30 07:34:25 the guy who plays michael myers in the newer ones is MASSIVE. Aug 30 07:34:34 I might do that, it should improve my battery life even more Aug 30 07:34:35 for suspend it does a full power gate on the cpu, completely goes to 0, loses its state, etc Aug 30 07:34:44 k4p741n: it already does that Aug 30 07:34:50 it's part of the cpuidle stuff Aug 30 07:35:00 I wish Ikyo was here, that explains it Aug 30 07:35:10 that's the point, it power gates pretty hard when it doesn't have anything to do Aug 30 07:35:23 so mucking around with frequency scaling doesn't tend to make as much of a difference as you think Aug 30 07:35:24 Everyone has always had problems with certain functions/patches/mods not working while in sleep, I never had that problem Aug 30 07:35:53 I'm just gonna remove it then Aug 30 07:36:40 * geist goes to sleep Aug 30 07:37:13 http://sarahdessen.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/scout.jpg Aug 30 07:37:24 the girl whos play mike myers sister. Aug 30 07:37:57 Wow, I'd root her Aug 30 07:38:05 eh, not bad Aug 30 07:38:33 Morning/afternoon/evening, room. 'scuse the interruption. Potentially dumb question alert: can you access the official App Catalog via the webOS emulator? Aug 30 07:39:33 but yeah, halloween 2 Aug 30 07:39:35 it was bad Aug 30 07:39:37 it was just crazy. Aug 30 07:39:42 I would imagine not but can someone confirm Aug 30 07:40:57 My battery drain is so horrible Aug 30 07:41:10 Even with Roam only I'm down 5% in 15 minutes Aug 30 07:41:44 roaming drains.. Aug 30 07:42:08 I'm in a fringe area and there's no other way to get txts Aug 30 07:42:15 It's roam only and data is off Aug 30 07:44:11 extended batt, k4p741n? Aug 30 07:44:17 Nope Aug 30 07:44:30 I might buy one right now if I can't find the solution Aug 30 07:44:41 Not the 2600 but the 1350 Aug 30 07:44:54 yeah, the humpback is ridiculous on the 2600 Aug 30 07:45:03 PREgnant Aug 30 07:45:06 lol Aug 30 07:45:36 What's the default battery capacity? Aug 30 07:45:40 I've been using a seidio extended in my treo680 for awhile, it's worth it Aug 30 07:46:11 1150mah, same as centro Aug 30 07:48:24 1350 ain't a huge boost, but it should give you an extra 45mins to an hour or so Aug 30 07:50:04 anyone in here familiar with osx86? Aug 30 07:50:33 my completely unscientific battery tests for the 680 (here) http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/8594/seidio-treo-680-750-extended-battery-review/ --- shows that you basically get aboot 1hr of life per 300mah Aug 30 07:51:06 Decimation_: Not as much as i'd like to be =\. Attempted to install it in my ASUS eeePC but it failed at boot. What are you trying to install it on? Aug 30 07:51:36 lol, some stock hp computer i have. Aug 30 07:51:41 Yeah osx86 used to run that Aug 30 07:52:06 You have to get the developers patched image of osx Aug 30 07:52:14 Whenver i tried it, it would install, then stick on the apple at boot Aug 30 07:52:52 Yeah that usually happens when it doesn't have the intel patch Aug 30 07:53:13 i couldnt get it to even install Aug 30 07:53:20 I just gave up & stuck with ubuntu Aug 30 07:53:24 got stuck at "waiting for root device" or something. Aug 30 07:53:39 OS X is a biotch Aug 30 07:53:52 what osx version are you trying Aug 30 07:54:37 10.5.4 i think? Aug 30 07:54:40 it was some iatkos build Aug 30 07:54:56 I think that was the one i was trying Aug 30 07:55:08 I used a Psycho build and it worked flawlessly Aug 30 07:55:31 10.5.4 won't work Aug 30 07:55:37 Used 10.5.2 or 10.5.5 Aug 30 07:55:38 intel or amd? Aug 30 07:55:47 Intel Aug 30 07:55:51 theres our difference :P Aug 30 07:56:05 Ahh I've never tried with AMD Aug 30 07:56:14 Decimation_: Let me know how it works out for you Aug 30 07:56:15 getting it to work with amd seems to be a challenge. Aug 30 07:56:29 seeing as all apple computers are intel built. Aug 30 07:57:13 It should be a matter of getting the developer built, patching the img with an AMD patch, then mounting and installing it Aug 30 07:58:47 id be happy if there was a good theme to make my windows 7 look like os x Aug 30 07:58:53 but there isnt one ive found so oh well :/ Aug 30 07:58:59 rocketdock Aug 30 07:59:08 top taskbar Aug 30 07:59:23 Or LiteStep Aug 30 07:59:25 no, i had all the dock stuff done before Aug 30 07:59:29 here, let me show you a screen shot Aug 30 07:59:37 Litestep is full shell reformation Aug 30 07:59:54 My Windows XP confuses people into thinking it's Windows 7 Aug 30 07:59:56 http://is.gd/2ngmN Aug 30 08:00:43 Looks perfect except I'd right click the desktop and uncheck show desktop icons Aug 30 08:01:09 lol, yeah. Aug 30 08:01:17 * rwhitby returns and wonders whether he's accidentally logged into webos-watercooler by mistake ... Aug 30 08:01:23 but i want my taskbar to look like that of apples also. Aug 30 08:01:37 lol, sorry rwhitby: theres no dev talking going on anyway :P Aug 30 08:01:50 * oil is redoing some of preware Aug 30 08:01:53 yeah, but I have to read through it all when I get back ... Aug 30 08:02:05 oil: depends? Aug 30 08:02:09 * Decimation_ wonders what oils doing? Aug 30 08:02:09 * oil is also hacking k4p741ns pre Aug 30 08:02:56 im making the way it stores and works with the packages separate/better Aug 30 08:02:56 Any way of getting sockso to work with one of the ampache pre apps? Aug 30 08:03:12 sweet Aug 30 08:03:17 I've been sitting here watching this top like a psycho jewish schoolboy waiting for Oil to just TRY Aug 30 08:03:37 :P Aug 30 08:03:43 lol Aug 30 08:04:06 But of course you've already disabled logging of your actions Aug 30 08:04:12 And reporting Aug 30 08:04:22 * oil is pro Aug 30 08:04:35 How do we kill one which has no life? Aug 30 08:04:44 you cant Aug 30 08:04:48 give him live, then take it away :D Aug 30 08:05:03 lo, took the words right out of my mouth Aug 30 08:05:07 Oil I just planted a seed for you, it's yours Aug 30 08:05:27 Now, to put my cigarette out on the soil Aug 30 08:05:45 *is he dead yet* Aug 30 08:06:18 Soooo 40 minutes late and I'm at 89% Aug 30 08:07:11 5 % in half an hour Aug 30 08:07:12 ok, time to add some Descriptions to the WebOS Internals packages .... Aug 30 08:07:17 Think thats abnormal guys? Aug 30 08:07:51 rwhitby that would be great if you're talking about pulling them into PreWare Aug 30 08:08:23 k4p741n: oil's putting them in Preware. My job is to get them into the feed so that he can display them Aug 30 08:08:42 Right tht's what I was referring to Aug 30 08:09:42 rwhitby: need help, two people is quicker than one :D Aug 30 08:10:05 rwhitby: icons, too Aug 30 08:10:20 * freakout wipes away a single tear and wonders if his dumb question will ever be answered Aug 30 08:10:39 * oil sees no question Aug 30 08:10:39 So Oil you're doing th frontend for PreWare I assume? Aug 30 08:10:52 Decimation_: I'm happy for someone else to wordsmith a 25 words or less description for preware, ipkgservice, terminal, termplugin, accelservice, accelexample, etc .. Aug 30 08:10:54 freakout don't type in invisible ink Aug 30 08:11:08 haha. can you run the official App Catalog in the emulator? i'm assuming no, but confirmation would be nice :D Aug 30 08:11:10 k4p741n: definitely not Aug 30 08:11:23 Oh I semi answered that Aug 30 08:11:29 Asked for someone to confirm a NO Aug 30 08:11:40 yes. someone crush my dreams! Aug 30 08:11:42 oil: yeah, I should do icons first I guess. But then PuffTheMagic will chide me again for changing the date on the package cause the metadata changed ... Aug 30 08:12:06 freakout you could always just try it out Aug 30 08:12:17 lol Aug 30 08:12:19 yeah, i'm running it now, but there's no icon Aug 30 08:12:22 freakout: it's not included in the emulator. If you're lucky enough to own a Pre I guess you could transfer it yourself to test it Aug 30 08:12:34 I am not, dear sir. Like you, trapped in the backwaters of Oz Aug 30 08:12:59 Preware: The revolutionary webOS on-device installer tool capiable of installing advanced applications that require postinst scripts, along with patches. Aug 30 08:13:07 freakout: good to see a fellow aussie here. Aug 30 08:13:34 Decimation_: if you can find me the URLs for the icons for each of the apps too, that will help. Aug 30 08:14:13 I want it, 'cause it'd give me a head start reviewing apps for Palm Infocenter. The backlog is starting to get pretty intense. Aug 30 08:15:03 Might wanna leave out the postinst part Aug 30 08:15:10 freakout: did you do that infocenter article that someone asked me about? Aug 30 08:15:15 Only 20 percent of the people using it would know what that means Aug 30 08:15:30 oh well? Aug 30 08:16:04 that was me, rwhitby: http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/9834/more-pre-hacks-and-inner-details-revealed/ . posted the transcript of the meaty parts of our chat there. Aug 30 08:16:10 (and thanks for that, by the way!) Aug 30 08:16:33 freakout: apologies for forgetting your nick Aug 30 08:16:52 That's kewl, I'm a somewhat forgettable person ;) Aug 30 08:17:06 I'd say Preware: The revolutionary system for managing community applications, services and patches. Aug 30 08:19:03 Preware: Open. Easy. The Paris Hilton of webOS app managers. Aug 30 08:19:20 LOL Aug 30 08:19:26 Then maybe throw in a lamymans statement like "The homebrew alternative to the built in app-catalog" Aug 30 08:19:27 LOL Aug 30 08:19:29 rwhitby: http://webos.pastebin.com/d33f941b Aug 30 08:19:34 thats about everything as it is now? Aug 30 08:19:40 maybe throw in a skiddish comment about how scarce it is Aug 30 08:19:43 (im putting it in the code for reference, its getting too long to keep in my head) Aug 30 08:19:56 rwhitby: are there icons for like.. ipkgservice and termplugin? lol Aug 30 08:19:59 haha comic gold freakout Aug 30 08:20:11 Decimation_: tehre are Aug 30 08:20:13 there* Aug 30 08:20:18 thankyou, thankyou, I'll be here all night :P Aug 30 08:20:36 freakout: lol, good. Aug 30 08:20:45 oil: Add Screenshots: array of URLs Aug 30 08:20:59 do i have Depends: right? Aug 30 08:21:11 oil: and don't forget Depends: is comma separated, and ignore stuff in trailing parentheses in each entry Aug 30 08:21:22 ah, so its coma seperated Aug 30 08:21:29 (i couldnt find any that needed more then 1) Aug 30 08:21:35 Depends is standard ipkg, so a comma-separated string Aug 30 08:22:14 so Aug 30 08:22:24 org.webosinternals.blarg(asdf),org.webosinternals.blarg(asdf) Aug 30 08:22:26 Depends: python26, py26-routes (>=1.7), py26-simplejson (>=1.4) Aug 30 08:22:32 example from optware Aug 30 08:22:33 spaces? Aug 30 08:23:30 yep Aug 30 08:23:30 could be spaces anywhere Aug 30 08:24:17 Time for bed. Night all Aug 30 08:24:25 Night truth Aug 30 08:24:35 did i seem to get anything else wrong? Aug 30 08:30:27 oil: the standard ipkg Version: field is more complex: (N:)?N(.N)*(-N)? Aug 30 08:31:15 but as feed maintainer do you see using things other then x.y.z and w.x.y.z? Aug 30 08:31:28 (especially since palm says x.y.z is their standard) Aug 30 08:31:55 I'd like to support N(.N)*(-N)? at least if it's not too difficult Aug 30 08:32:43 we'd use -N for packaging changes that don't affect functionality and therefore don't need a changelog entry. Aug 30 08:33:37 Ahh Aug 30 08:34:01 Are you using that method now? Aug 30 08:34:20 I'd like to, as soon as Preware supports it. Aug 30 08:35:13 I have just occasionally noticed some seemlingly strange behavaior of application versions with Preware and I thought that explained it Aug 30 08:35:30 well, its very possible that preware butchers versions Aug 30 08:35:40 especially if its installed, and in 2 feeds Aug 30 08:35:45 im not sure how it would handle it Aug 30 08:36:02 and the 2 feeds have different versions Aug 30 08:36:19 thats one of the reasons im redoing the way it stores the packages in the app Aug 30 08:36:20 Like an app would be at the top of the 'everything' list (which is last-updated based) and I had not clicked to update to it, but it said it was the same version as the one I had and didn't prompt for update Aug 30 08:36:34 thats rwhitbys fault Aug 30 08:36:39 xD Aug 30 08:37:19 I didn't know if it was auto-updating or that the new version was coming in wrong Aug 30 08:37:39 Is the version number the decider as to whethere or not the update button appears? Aug 30 08:37:39 yeah, LastUpdated updates do not necessarily have a version update for webos-internals packages, due to metadata changes. Aug 30 08:38:07 yes Aug 30 08:38:46 Wasn't sure if it was release date Aug 30 08:41:35 Alright guys, good luck with getting all that implemented Aug 30 08:41:42 I'm outtie 5000 Aug 30 08:41:57 hah, i just found a video of our school band Aug 30 08:41:58 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIrutbnyZvc Aug 30 08:42:12 such fun songs to play :D Aug 30 08:42:15 And hey Oil, can you set my alarm for 9 o clock while you're in there Aug 30 08:42:42 will do Aug 30 08:42:49 Thanks, yuou're a pal Aug 30 08:42:52 :P peace Aug 30 08:43:03 night k4p...oh dammit, too late Aug 30 08:43:12 :P Aug 30 08:43:38 He'll never know how much I appreciated his help. Aug 30 08:43:53 * freakout__ freakout wipes away another tear. Probably needs to man up Aug 30 08:43:57 lol, he'll be back tomorrow :D Aug 30 08:44:06 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIrutbnyZvc Aug 30 08:44:10 here, some music will make ya feel better. Aug 30 08:44:36 I'm gonna have to put Hot Leg on pause. this better be good! :P Aug 30 08:45:22 we rock back in forth in one part Aug 30 08:45:24 so yeah, its good :D Aug 30 08:45:39 rock n' roll show Aug 30 08:46:13 i'm impressed. especially at the co-ordination. I have trouble walking sometimes, let alone synchronising. Aug 30 08:47:00 :P Aug 30 08:47:11 its my freshmen year and i got put on snare drum so, im happy. Aug 30 08:48:47 Well, since you shared an entertaining piece of music, I'll contribute too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HU2ftCitvyQ Aug 30 08:49:08 And now for dinner Aug 30 08:50:00 freakout: now theres some music :) Aug 30 08:50:22 Hi, I just post the Global Css for - Grouped Lists Aug 30 08:50:25 I need help with it Aug 30 08:50:37 plz see it -> http://webos.pastebin.com/m7b8cd330 Aug 30 08:51:25 I just need to change the direction of the text from left to right, Aug 30 08:51:33 I dont know where and how to do it? Aug 30 08:51:38 Plz help me.. Aug 30 08:51:40 Thnaks.. Aug 30 08:52:49 anybody? Aug 30 08:53:23 dude, you REALLY don't know how to ask for help. Aug 30 08:53:31 bugging people isn't how its done. Aug 30 08:53:44 lol Aug 30 08:53:56 DdAaDd: have you ever read the smart questions faq? Aug 30 08:54:40 http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Aug 30 08:54:50 lol nice Aug 30 08:55:10 rwhitby: thank you. Aug 30 08:57:19 * rwhitby bbl Aug 30 08:58:00 * Decimation_ wonders what timezone oil is in. Aug 30 08:58:09 PST Aug 30 08:58:22 its only 1:57am here Aug 30 08:58:38 I just assumed that you existed outside our space-time continuum Aug 30 08:58:43 its 2? Aug 30 08:58:45 yeah Aug 30 08:58:48 no Aug 30 08:58:50 its 1:58 Aug 30 08:58:54 lol, sh. Aug 30 08:59:17 its 5 here :/ Aug 30 08:59:25 sux Aug 30 08:59:32 Hey all Aug 30 08:59:37 no kidding. Aug 30 08:59:40 i dont get a lot of sleep :/ Aug 30 08:59:53 You and me both, sleep is for the weak haha Aug 30 09:00:31 i just think it'd be so much nicer if people didnt need sleep. Aug 30 09:00:41 i get a lot of sleep on the weekends when i dont ahve to work Aug 30 09:00:42 i mean Aug 30 09:00:47 i woke up at like noon Aug 30 09:00:54 then took a nap from like 5 to 9 Aug 30 09:01:17 we did a disease walk this morning.. the drum line at my high school. Aug 30 09:01:33 lolol Aug 30 09:01:37 Sleep has been more of a nice bonus for me lately. Keeping up with a mostly American news-cycle is murder from the other side of the globe. Aug 30 09:01:56 lol Dec Aug 30 09:02:14 it sucked Aug 30 09:02:22 i didn't even know what the disease was. Aug 30 09:02:36 atleast you didn't catch it Aug 30 09:02:42 but the band directors wife has it so we couldnt get out of it.. Aug 30 09:02:50 they don't know how you get it actually. Aug 30 09:03:58 lol Aug 30 09:04:35 So I keep reading of ppl having issues with the new tweaks in Quick install. I haven't had a single one, I wonder why some are experiencing problems? Aug 30 09:05:12 its probably people who modified the files Aug 30 09:05:15 then tried to do it again. Aug 30 09:05:33 Yeah what I was thinking... I undid everything then added the new Aug 30 09:05:44 I like the 4x4 icons way better Aug 30 09:06:44 yeah, i sent him my files and told him to change it Aug 30 09:06:51 when i made the 5x4 it was rushed. Aug 30 09:07:18 I thought it looked really good, the icons were just a lil tiny. Still the look was cool Aug 30 09:07:29 I guess for me it's just easier to hit the bigger icons Aug 30 09:07:43 It's more spaced, my fingers are huge lol Aug 30 09:08:06 what's the problem with my question? Aug 30 09:08:11 ? Aug 30 09:08:26 I just post the Global Css for - Grouped Lists Aug 30 09:08:29 I need help with it Aug 30 09:08:32 plz see it -> http://webos.pastebin.com/m7b8cd330 Aug 30 09:08:50 I just need to change the direction of the text from left to right, (now its from left to right) Aug 30 09:09:21 OH gotcha... Aug 30 09:10:02 What? Aug 30 09:10:09 I'm looking at it now Aug 30 09:10:12 * oil uses 4x4 Aug 30 09:10:22 page 1 = palms apps + catalog apps Aug 30 09:10:29 page 2 = homebrew apps Aug 30 09:10:50 page 3 = settings shit i never need to look at and nfl/nascar apps i look at even less Aug 30 09:11:47 I got 4 pages... Aug 30 09:11:57 i had more pages when i had hte default icon size Aug 30 09:11:59 I hid the nascar app Aug 30 09:12:03 but now it makes sense for 3 Aug 30 09:12:09 NFL app is my bff haha Aug 30 09:12:24 * oil couldn't care less about sports Aug 30 09:12:42 Yeah i'm a big football fan and basketball Aug 30 09:12:50 Splmonster? Aug 30 09:12:52 nba app is next? Aug 30 09:12:55 Can u check it for me? Aug 30 09:12:57 plz.. Aug 30 09:12:59 I hope, that would be cool Aug 30 09:13:11 I'm still browsing it Aug 30 09:13:13 hold on Aug 30 09:14:22 Ask Oil he could probably be a better help, I can't find anything Aug 30 09:14:31 Ok.. Aug 30 09:14:34 Thanks Aug 30 09:14:36 oil? Aug 30 09:14:41 http://screensnapr.com/u/8oyh2t.png Aug 30 09:14:43 my icons Aug 30 09:14:45 direction from left to right to right to left? Aug 30 09:14:48 well, apges. Aug 30 09:14:50 pages* Aug 30 09:15:00 wow, your shit is fucked Aug 30 09:15:08 Now it direction is from left to right. I want to change it to right to left Aug 30 09:15:09 yea.. Aug 30 09:15:13 in title, Aug 30 09:15:22 and in the list items Aug 30 09:15:24 what do you mean, like, you want it backwards? Aug 30 09:16:01 The text that is on the title of each list Aug 30 09:16:14 backwards Aug 30 09:16:16 it's direction now is from left to right Aug 30 09:16:33 like isntead of "Title" you want "eltiT"? Aug 30 09:16:38 no Aug 30 09:16:43 the text is align to left Aug 30 09:16:47 ah Aug 30 09:16:48 alignment Aug 30 09:16:53 yea Aug 30 09:17:05 what have you changed? Aug 30 09:17:23 Splmonster: yeah, as you can see, i use 4x4 and have four pages also Aug 30 09:17:34 Tried few things.. didnt worked Aug 30 09:17:42 try text-align: right; Aug 30 09:17:47 funny, i created the 5x4 and released, then always used 4x4 myself. Aug 30 09:17:49 (pretty simple css) Aug 30 09:18:01 tried Aug 30 09:18:03 didnt worked Aug 30 09:18:08 then idk Aug 30 09:18:09 or Aug 30 09:18:14 its getting overwritten somewhere else Aug 30 09:18:34 idk if the pre suports !important Aug 30 09:18:48 this.category Aug 30 09:18:51 gah Aug 30 09:18:55 bad copy Aug 30 09:18:58 http://www.yellowjug.com/web-design/the-importance-of-important-in-css/ Aug 30 09:19:08 you can try doing right, then including important Aug 30 09:19:24 though really, you shouldn't be changing the framework for such things Aug 30 09:19:28 you override them in your app Aug 30 09:19:39 changing the framework will change it for every app Aug 30 09:19:54 and may make some look fucked up if they're expecting it to be a certain weay Aug 30 09:19:55 way* Aug 30 09:20:07 I know where it should be Aug 30 09:20:10 and how to save it Aug 30 09:20:19 my problem is just in the editing of it Aug 30 09:20:30 eh? Aug 30 09:20:36 What? Aug 30 09:22:13 i really dont understand Aug 30 09:22:23 there must be some sort of communication barrier here Aug 30 09:34:35 Is anyone that you guys know of working on recreating a "List" view for that Launcher? (a.k.a. Palm OS) Aug 30 09:34:58 There's nought in the wiki, so far as I can see. Aug 30 09:35:53 I'm thinking it might be a fun first project to try, now that I've finally got the bloody emulator running properly. Aug 30 09:37:57 lol Aug 30 09:38:00 i havent seen anything Aug 30 09:38:03 good luck Aug 30 09:38:47 Cheers. List was the first thing I thought of when I saw webOS demod. No idea how hard it'll be to actually hit the damn apps on an actual Pre though. Aug 30 09:43:11 they have the suggested tap-target size Aug 30 09:43:17 listed somewhere on developer.palm.com Aug 30 09:44:27 anybody know how to access com.palm.properties.DMCARRIER? Aug 30 09:44:44 yep, they suggest 48x48. I'm gonna push the envelope though, be a rebel :P Aug 30 09:45:05 * freakout steps aside to allow the real questions to get answered Aug 30 09:45:54 * oil has no answer to phish3's question Aug 30 09:46:06 heh Aug 30 09:46:31 does anyone know what the problem is with accessing the com.palm.properties.* Aug 30 09:46:38 the java side of them seems to exist Aug 30 09:46:50 * oil draws more blanks Aug 30 09:46:55 heh Aug 30 09:47:20 yah I don't know how you have dbus for everything and then artificially limit javascript read access to some of them :x Aug 30 09:47:34 freakout, one of my apps uses 38px Aug 30 09:47:38 and sometimes its hard to tap them Aug 30 09:47:47 this nice set of properties exists and is being kept secre: Aug 30 09:47:50 "com.palm.properties.PalmSN","com.palm.properties.PRODoID", "com.palm.properties.DMSVRoNONCE", "com.palm.properties.DMSVRoAUTHPW", "com.palm.properties.DMCLoNONCE", "com.palm.properties.DMCLoAUTHPW","com.palm.properties.DMCLoAUTHNAME", "com.palm.properties.HWoRev","com.palm.properties.DMBRANCH", "com.palm.properties.DMSETS","com.palm.properties.DMCARRIER", "com.palm.properties.DMMODEL","com.palm.properties.SWoVER" Aug 30 09:48:03 wow that came out a bit longer, next time I'll pastbin :s Aug 30 09:48:13 was just about to say Aug 30 09:48:53 oil: hmmm. who'd have thought we'd miss the stylus? Aug 30 09:48:55 but ya, why is SWoVER bad palm... why...? Aug 30 09:49:11 the app that uses it is dotgame Aug 30 09:49:15 and you're tapping lines Aug 30 09:49:31 which, doesnt make sense to be too large Aug 30 09:49:33 being lines Aug 30 09:49:35 and not boxes Aug 30 09:49:36 lol Aug 30 09:50:26 haha Aug 30 09:52:18 just installed it. Your AI is a total bitch ;) Aug 30 09:53:18 lol Aug 30 09:54:41 anyone get this error for lunaprops -a? http://webos.pastebin.com/m3531bfd5 Aug 30 09:54:58 I try using it like on http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki//usr/bin/lunaprop Aug 30 09:55:12 every command gives that error on 2 simulator instances Aug 30 09:55:18 (on different machines) Aug 30 09:57:13 er rather does this work fine on actual palm pres? Aug 30 09:57:25 (I haven't gotten my grubby hands on one yet) Aug 30 09:57:54 phish, you and me both. It's so depressing Aug 30 09:58:13 * phish3 is starting to wonder if the simulator is all that Aug 30 09:59:23 haha Aug 30 10:01:06 the main problem i have with the emulator Aug 30 10:01:13 is my code runs much faster on it Aug 30 10:01:16 then the actual pre Aug 30 10:01:27 nothing like writing some code, then running it onthe pre and it laggs the thing for a while Aug 30 10:02:01 iphone devs often have the same complaint Aug 30 10:02:17 solution? install on a 486 box. Aug 30 10:02:23 lol Aug 30 10:02:35 i've got a dual p3 550 lying around here somewhere Aug 30 10:03:11 heh, just might do it. Aug 30 10:03:38 I remember when dad first brought home the 486. i'd never seen Wing Commander run so fast Aug 30 10:04:27 nowadays the originals are totally unplayable. Technology's great when it moves forward. except when it isn't. Aug 30 10:08:00 lol Aug 30 10:08:25 well, preware almost works as good as well as it did before i started working on it today xD Aug 30 10:08:39 haha Aug 30 10:08:52 "There, fixed it!" Aug 30 10:08:56 well Aug 30 10:09:00 moving around a lot of code Aug 30 10:09:10 re-doing how it handles packages to be better Aug 30 10:11:29 the version problem you were talking about earlier? Aug 30 10:14:53 and other stuff Aug 30 10:15:09 right now it wouldn't be able to handle installing multiple packages at once Aug 30 10:15:26 for dependencies or an "update all" function Aug 30 10:18:46 oil: I've combined the makefile support fragments from services, plugins and applications into one, to make it easier to add all the new metadata. Aug 30 10:18:46 Excuse me for a bit, I have to take a trip to Vista land. Aug 30 10:19:19 * freakout puts on his walkin' shoes. Aug 30 10:19:34 If I don't see you folks later, cheers for the assistance here Aug 30 10:19:56 rwhitby: ok Aug 30 10:20:14 also Aug 30 10:20:24 ive made it so all things in the 'misc' category Aug 30 10:20:29 get put in the Unsorted category Aug 30 10:20:44 ok Aug 30 10:20:49 which are really just all the items not in any feed Aug 30 10:20:58 palm category apps or manual apps Aug 30 10:30:36 oil: be aware that not all apps will have screenshots. Aug 30 10:31:13 yeah Aug 30 10:31:20 there is a ton of if statements Aug 30 10:31:31 cause lots of them dont have lots of things Aug 30 10:31:31 haha Aug 30 10:37:52 anyways Aug 30 10:37:54 hittin the sack Aug 30 10:37:56 later Aug 30 11:34:39 Good morning, all Aug 30 11:36:45 gm Aug 30 11:36:45 Hi Aug 30 11:36:57 Where Is the Title of each Icon is saved? Aug 30 11:39:24 prolly in the appinfo.json ? Aug 30 11:39:47 the title? Aug 30 11:40:03 I imagine... dunno Aug 30 11:40:32 what do you think title means? I may be thinking of something else Aug 30 11:40:41 like? Aug 30 11:41:12 DdAaDd: its hard for people to communicate with you, you don't speak fluent english Aug 30 11:41:22 were you the hebrew person? Aug 30 11:45:01 I don't personally have an problem with ESL (english second language); but I think DdAaDd would serve his goals by explaining what a title is to him Aug 30 11:45:47 I think I got it working Aug 30 11:45:49 just a se Aug 30 11:45:50 c Aug 30 11:46:13 No it's not working Aug 30 11:46:56 what isn't? I'm presming you changed an icon title in an appinfo.json and didn't restart LunaSysMgr (try a reboot) Aug 30 11:47:28 (reboot phone, restart lunasysmgr, or rescan ...) Aug 30 11:49:06 what's lunasysmgr? Aug 30 11:49:19 only rebooting the phone (using emulator..) Aug 30 11:49:20 the gui for the phone Aug 30 11:49:20 the gui of the phone Aug 30 11:49:42 so, rebooting the emulator should be enugh? Aug 30 11:49:47 yes Aug 30 11:49:57 ok. Aug 30 11:50:23 did rebooting.. Aug 30 11:50:28 Checking it again Aug 30 11:51:43 if that doesnt work we dont know the problem. Aug 30 11:51:54 ok. Aug 30 11:51:56 just a sec Aug 30 11:55:37 Not working Aug 30 11:56:02 still getting the same Messaging title, it's only work when I change it with english letters.. Aug 30 11:56:14 i'll try also changing it in index.html Aug 30 11:56:47 no. Aug 30 11:56:51 still english Aug 30 11:59:30 ? Aug 30 11:59:40 ? Aug 30 11:59:41 ? Aug 30 12:00:17 yeah, three question marks will make a difference ... Aug 30 12:01:04 Sorry, Aug 30 12:01:14 Can u see what else I can do to fix it? Aug 30 12:01:23 DdAaDd: in real life, do you go up to someone, ask them a question ten times, and then just keep poking them in the face until they answer you? Aug 30 12:01:34 forums Aug 30 12:01:36 wiki Aug 30 12:01:39 google Aug 30 12:01:41 cause that's effectively how your IRC style comes across. Aug 30 12:01:59 then after all that and few hours of trying Aug 30 12:02:04 I'm asking here Aug 30 12:02:39 now what? Aug 30 12:03:24 DdAaDd: if we don't have the answer, we don't have the answer. Aug 30 12:03:35 don't keep asking, because if you do, no one is gonig to want to help you. Aug 30 12:03:48 Where else Can I check it? Aug 30 12:03:48 first of all, each time you come in, there's likely to be a different set of people looking at any one time. So you must clearly and succintly (i.e. on 1 line of comprehensive, well written text, instead of 10 lines of repeated question marks and two word statements) state the context of what you are doing. Aug 30 12:04:13 secondly, you then ask your question *once*, and wait patiently for an answer. Aug 30 12:04:29 did you read the smart questions faq I gave you a link to? Aug 30 12:04:39 y Aug 30 12:04:59 make your questions interesting, so that they *draw* people's attention to them out of interest. at the moment, you are making your questions annoying, and driving people away. Aug 30 12:05:33 I'm sure that there would be many people interested in helping do i18n for the Pre if you just told them that is what you are trying to achieve. Aug 30 12:05:43 But don't do it in the way you are doing. Aug 30 12:06:07 Firstly, start a wiki page, stating the goals of what you are trying to do, and what you have learnt so far. Keep that wiki page up to date with what you have learnt so far. Aug 30 12:06:19 DdAaDd: I agree with what rwhitby is saying to you. I for one am at work, and I check IRC very often but not constantly, so there likely to be some delay before I see something. I'm sure this is true for others... you've got to ask your question and then be patient... that's the style of IRC in general. Aug 30 12:06:42 That shows people that you are willing to document what you are doing for the benefit of the community, and therefore the things they help you with will not be lost. Aug 30 12:07:06 Keep the context clearly stated at the front of the wiki page. Keep your progress second. Aug 30 12:07:17 Ok. Aug 30 12:07:23 So what to do right now? Aug 30 12:07:45 Did you not read what I just wrote? Aug 30 12:08:27 Yes Aug 30 12:08:32 Should I wait? Aug 30 12:08:53 OK, so you didn't even read what I just wrote. Aug 30 12:09:03 maybe u'll figure it? Aug 30 12:09:08 "Firstly, start a wiki page ..." Aug 30 12:09:42 DdAaDd: did you read that? Aug 30 12:10:15 i'm enjoying this. Aug 30 12:10:47 *Only* after you've done all that, then come back, and paste a *single* line with the URL of the wiki page. Then write a second *single* line, stating clearly what the page is, and where you are up to, and what precisely your question is. Aug 30 12:10:47 yes Aug 30 12:11:16 DdAaDd: ready...set...go! Aug 30 12:11:18 is it ok to ask it in Palm developer forum? Aug 30 12:11:24 oh goodness. Aug 30 12:11:32 what now? Aug 30 12:11:49 do you not read? Aug 30 12:11:54 have you only learned to write? Aug 30 12:11:56 DdAaDd: You just don't get it, do you. You're approach will have the same effect no matter what forum or email list or IRC channel you use. Aug 30 12:12:40 why is that? Aug 30 12:13:19 DdAaDd: location changes, people don't, Aug 30 12:13:21 because it is annoying, and does not convey the skill base I assume you have. Aug 30 12:14:51 DdAaDd: and because your responses (like "is it ok to ask it in the Palm developer forum?") lead me to believe that you have not really listened to a word I said. Aug 30 12:16:22 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Tutorials_webOS_Hello_World Aug 30 12:16:42 ? Aug 30 12:16:57 * oil couldnt sleep Aug 30 12:17:06 * Decimation hasn't tried. Aug 30 12:17:11 * oil is just going to pull a 48 hour weekend Aug 30 12:17:12 oil: does the following look right? Aug 30 12:17:43 Source: { "Source":"git://git.webos-internals.org/applications/preware.git", "Feed":"WebOS Internals", "Type":"Application", "Category":"System Utilities", "LastUpdated":"1251633533", "Last-Updated":"1251633533", "FullDescription":"The revolutionary webOS on-device installer capable of installing advanced homebrew applications.", "Homepage":"http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware", "Icon":"http://www.webos-internals.org Aug 30 12:17:46 /images/e/e4/Icon_Preware.png", "Screenshots":["http://www.webos-internals.org/images/d/df/Application_Preware_List.png"] } Aug 30 12:18:03 (especially the Screenshots part) Aug 30 12:18:23 looks ok Aug 30 12:18:32 the full description could also include html? Aug 30 12:18:37 (like descriptions from pc) Aug 30 12:18:51 though, that double-wide screenshot may be a problem Aug 30 12:18:51 oil: should I just set Section: back to 'web' or 'misc' ? Aug 30 12:19:09 yeah, I'll change that to a set of two normal ones Aug 30 12:19:13 (if we're planning on doing it like the palm catalog) Aug 30 12:19:22 oil: what did Section: need to be for eclipse? Aug 30 12:19:27 uh Aug 30 12:19:27 well Aug 30 12:19:31 really its "type" Aug 30 12:19:32 in appinfo Aug 30 12:19:37 it needs to be web Aug 30 12:19:46 ah, is that all? Aug 30 12:19:50 yeah Aug 30 12:20:01 the section, im not even really looking at anymore Aug 30 12:20:02 well Aug 30 12:20:04 it loads that first Aug 30 12:20:14 then if it sees category in teh source obj it uses that Aug 30 12:20:24 and if at the end it is misc or blank Aug 30 12:20:32 it sets it to Unsorted Aug 30 12:21:07 ok Aug 30 12:21:59 oil: why couldn't ya sleep? thinkin about me? Aug 30 12:22:09 yeah Aug 30 12:23:15 yeah, it happens. Aug 30 12:23:39 usually to the ladies but eh, im not gonna hate :P Aug 30 12:23:45 lol Aug 30 12:28:42 so Aug 30 12:28:56 im going to add a toggle to the bottom of the category list Aug 30 12:29:01 renamed group list Aug 30 12:29:17 to switch between a category list and a feed list Aug 30 12:35:41 http://forums.precentral.net/general-webos-chat/200719-carousel-card-view.html Aug 30 12:35:43 cool idea there Aug 30 12:35:50 anyone in here that can make it happen? Aug 30 12:36:02 or point my in the right direction as to where the card view is controlled. Aug 30 12:36:40 oil: ok Aug 30 12:41:40 DdAaDd: http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/200721-howto-changing-icon-title-another-language.html <- no I know for sure you didn't listen to a word I said. There's 15 minutes of my life I wasted on you. I'm afraid you have now expired any hope of any help on any subject from me. Aug 30 12:41:57 s/no/now/ Aug 30 12:41:57 rwhitby meant: DdAaDd: http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/200721-howto-changing-icon-title-anowther-language.html <- no I know for sure you didn't listen to a word I said. There's 15 minutes of my life I wasted on you. I'm afraid you have now expired any ... Aug 30 12:42:13 infobot: no botsnack for you Aug 30 12:42:13 :), rwhitby Aug 30 12:46:38 infobot: howdy partner :D Aug 30 12:46:44 aw man. Aug 30 12:48:19 lol Aug 30 12:48:37 * oil goes and gets a cinnamon roll Aug 30 12:54:22 What else should I do rwhitby? Aug 30 12:54:27 I read at wiki... Aug 30 12:54:30 nothing is about it.. Aug 30 12:54:38 try to play with it.. Aug 30 12:54:41 still nothing Aug 30 12:54:45 what else can I do? Aug 30 12:54:49 "Firstly, start a wiki page ..." Aug 30 12:54:56 did Aug 30 12:56:30 what else to can I do? Aug 30 12:56:35 "*Only* after you've done all that, ..." Aug 30 12:57:03 Did it all Aug 30 12:57:30 ok, I answered you in the same alternate reality in which you did all that. Aug 30 12:58:06 U want me to past a wiki link and ask again? Aug 30 12:58:22 no, seriously, I don't. Aug 30 12:58:39 So? Aug 30 12:58:42 what to do? Aug 30 12:58:49 * oil would like to see the link Aug 30 12:59:04 xD Aug 30 12:59:18 oil: you didn't see it in the alternate reality in which DdAaDd did all the things I asked? Aug 30 12:59:21 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Tutorials_webOS_Hello_World Aug 30 13:00:00 ok, I had suspicions before, but now I know that you are intentionally screwing with us. Please go away. Aug 30 13:00:18 Good morning all, I have a quick question regarding the Depot... I'm following jcrawford's excellent tutorial... my Q: is; will I need an erase-db step like, when an app is uninstalled, does the db go away, I don't want to leave junk behind on people's Pre. Aug 30 13:00:47 no Aug 30 13:00:54 the database gets removed when the app is uninstalled Aug 30 13:01:09 DdAaDd: see that? that's an example of a good question. Notice that someone then went and answered it? There's a lesson in that ... Aug 30 13:01:43 On my link? Aug 30 13:02:13 Where? Aug 30 13:02:43 /facepalm Aug 30 13:02:52 Thanks Oil... i'm new to the Depot. I'm thinking of making a generic db app for users, like the old Treo one where an end-user could just create any db they wanted with a free form style. Aug 30 13:02:58 rwhitby? what did u mean? Aug 30 13:03:51 Oh.. sorry rwhitby. Aug 30 13:04:04 u meant FreeTim question... Aug 30 13:05:33 yes. asked in one line. answered in 2. thanked in a fourth line. all over and done with. Notice there were more than three words per line. Notice that the context of the question was given. Notice the lack of multiple lines of one question mark character. Aug 30 13:06:45 rwhitby: i think there is a language barrier in trying to help DdAaDd, i attempted it earlier... Aug 30 13:07:16 oil: yes, he's hebrew. Aug 30 13:07:20 oil: I know there is a language barrier. Aug 30 13:08:45 oil: but when I ask a Japanese person how to get to the train station, if I don't understand what they said I politely say that I didn't understand that and ask them politely to rephrase their answer. I don't go asking them the same question again and again, and poke them in the face with a stick repeatedly when they don't answer. Aug 30 13:09:40 And if they do give me some advice about how to ask questions in Japanese, I listen to it, and use it when I ask the next question. Aug 30 13:10:10 well, i would definitely poke them in the face with a stick regardless Aug 30 13:10:11 haha Aug 30 13:10:17 so it isnt Aug 30 13:10:18 good Aug 30 13:10:21 to ask your questions Aug 30 13:10:22 like this. Aug 30 13:10:23 ? Aug 30 13:10:27 no Aug 30 13:10:28 it Aug 30 13:10:29 is Aug 30 13:10:33 - Aug 30 13:10:33 - Aug 30 13:10:35 - Aug 30 13:10:37 - Aug 30 13:10:39 - Aug 30 13:10:41 not Aug 30 13:10:43 ! Aug 30 13:10:45 MAYBE IF I TYPE IN Aug 30 13:10:45 ! Aug 30 13:10:47 ! Aug 30 13:10:47 ALL CAPS Aug 30 13:10:49 ! Aug 30 13:10:49 ? Aug 30 13:10:50 ? Aug 30 13:10:50 ? Aug 30 13:10:51 ? Aug 30 13:10:52 ? Aug 30 13:10:56 NO Aug 30 13:10:57 THAT Aug 30 13:10:59 WONT Aug 30 13:11:01 HELP Aug 30 13:11:03 U Aug 30 13:11:05 EITHER Aug 30 13:11:10 huh Aug 30 13:11:11 So is the proper form? Aug 30 13:11:12 :D Aug 30 13:11:40 http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Aug 30 13:11:57 DdAaDd: please read all of that. Aug 30 13:12:02 it will help you SO much. Aug 30 13:27:37 I'm not reading ur post on how asking questions... Aug 30 13:38:25 HE LEFT Aug 30 13:38:33 OMG HE FINALLY LEFT Aug 30 13:41:23 * oil cheers Aug 30 13:42:01 have you guys seen this thing where your loadavg goes to like 12 and the system is doing POWERD-ACTIVITY: PowerdActivityStop: (com.palm.wan.tc-1212), POWERD-ACTIVITY: PowerdActivityStart: (com.palm.wan.tc-1213) for 5000ms Aug 30 13:42:07 over and over and over and over Aug 30 13:44:58 trying reboot... Aug 30 14:09:14 just noticed in the "control" file, there's the following line: Source: git://gitorious.org/webos-internals/applications.git Aug 30 14:10:42 eh? Aug 30 14:11:47 ... termplugin, wondering why it's pointing to gitorious.org instead of webowsinternals Aug 30 14:13:29 rwhitby: you here? Aug 30 14:13:37 yep Aug 30 14:13:49 lol, someone replied to his thread Aug 30 14:13:52 giving him a full answer Aug 30 14:13:58 perfect explaination Aug 30 14:13:58 link? Aug 30 14:13:59 and he said Aug 30 14:14:07 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/200721-howto-changing-icon-title-another-language.html Aug 30 14:14:36 heh, Rick_work answered him Aug 30 14:14:43 hahaha Aug 30 14:15:26 Zuchmir2: it doesn't anymore, but I haven't updated the feed metadata yet (still working on getting descriptions, icon and screenshots in there) Aug 30 14:16:00 lol, Rick_work doesn't know whats comin, does he? Aug 30 14:16:04 oil: can you handle unicode characters in Preware? Aug 30 14:16:15 coming? Aug 30 14:16:31 oh Aug 30 14:16:33 the back-log Aug 30 14:16:43 it is the ONLY answer he's getting from me. Aug 30 14:16:48 I told him no. Aug 30 14:16:58 If he doesn't LIKE no, he can talk to himself. Aug 30 14:16:59 lol, he just doesn't get it Aug 30 14:17:11 idk Aug 30 14:17:13 either that, or he is just completely messing with us, which i've seen people do before. Aug 30 14:17:16 throw some in and lets see what happends Aug 30 14:18:11 when someone and I tried yesterday, we could NOT get the keyboard to take unicode OR html entitites. When we tried, it printed out "U+0374" or ε Aug 30 14:18:14 ok, prepare for Preware breakage, I'm updating the feed metadata. It looks alright to me, but anything could happen. Aug 30 14:18:57 it was not good. -- and two-byte unicode characters gave us the classic utf-8 interpretation of the individual bytes as char. Aug 30 14:22:11 rwhitby: ok, just thought i'd point it out Aug 30 14:22:26 Zuchmir2: thx - please point out any others you find too Aug 30 14:23:53 oil: the feed now has much more metadata. it's not final, but it should give you some nice data to work with. Aug 30 14:26:18 is unicode breaking it? Aug 30 14:26:44 dunno. something is. the service is answering. Aug 30 14:26:47 what are the required files for a feed? example: http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/all/ is it the: Packages, Packages.filelist, Packages.gz or Packages.stamps (or all) Aug 30 14:27:03 just Packages or Packages.gz will do Aug 30 14:27:28 rwhitby: seems to be breaking it quite well Aug 30 14:27:33 the MD5Sum: is of the ipk? Aug 30 14:27:44 yep Aug 30 14:28:25 "Unexpected token ILLEGAL" Aug 30 14:28:35 thanks Aug 30 14:28:43 where did you put the unicode? Aug 30 14:28:54 oil: I'm going to remove the PreCentral description field Aug 30 14:29:12 id like to fix it xD Aug 30 14:29:15 its the description field? Aug 30 14:29:18 look for 'habla' - there is a Pre there with the correct e Aug 30 14:29:24 FullDescription Aug 30 14:29:42 thats the only place? Aug 30 14:29:58 I believe so. Aug 30 14:30:22 for NOW that's the only place.... Aug 30 14:30:34 hmm Aug 30 14:30:46 im getting a lot of errors Aug 30 14:30:52 but its probably due to me changing a bunch of shit Aug 30 14:30:58 let me play with it for a little while before you switch it back Aug 30 14:34:52 oil: is the Screenshots: array field going to kill Preware 0.7.7 ? Aug 30 14:35:10 shouldnt Aug 30 14:35:15 its not even looking for it Aug 30 14:38:10 oil: found a bad quote in tip calculator Aug 30 14:38:23 would have caused a malformed json Aug 30 14:39:57 ok, now there's something else in precentral.conf Aug 30 14:40:05 I mean precentral feed Aug 30 14:40:44 virtual keyboard is now unsorted? Aug 30 14:42:16 fixing Aug 30 14:43:02 ok, feed is clean now Aug 30 14:43:26 oil: it was PreCentral FullDescription. removed it from metadata until we sort it out. Aug 30 14:43:33 0.7.7 still working? Aug 30 14:43:37 Templarian: lol, replying to my post on engadget :D Aug 30 14:43:46 url? Aug 30 14:43:53 oil: seems to be Aug 30 14:43:58 are the "LastUpdated" and "Last-Updated" the values from: stat --printf '%X' ? Aug 30 14:44:00 except for the keyboard Aug 30 14:44:01 rwhitby: url to me? lol Aug 30 14:44:11 Decimation: lol nice. Aug 30 14:44:14 Decimation: yep Aug 30 14:44:30 http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/30/sony-randd-explains-some-background-on-the-playstation-motion-cont/comments/21242105/ Aug 30 14:44:31 Zuchmir2: seconds since epoch Aug 30 14:44:32 does that take you there? Aug 30 14:44:44 Zuchmir2: are you working on an installer app? Aug 30 14:44:58 and yes templarian, the no-controller aspect is what i love :D Aug 30 14:45:07 i want to use preware w/custom feed Aug 30 14:45:25 Zuchmir2: ah, cool. Aug 30 14:45:33 Decimation: I think of natal as less games and more just making the home entertainment better. Aug 30 14:46:04 * Templarian just realised he has 1021 comments on engadget... lol. Aug 30 14:46:15 damn Aug 30 14:46:32 Templarian: yeah, although the demo they showed of natal with the racing game looked really nice. Aug 30 14:46:48 just sit down, press your foot down to go Aug 30 14:46:49 lol Aug 30 14:46:50 * oil prefers controllers Aug 30 14:47:11 I heard microsoft has a huge issue with Project Natal right now Aug 30 14:47:20 it has a hard time detecting people with darker colored skin Aug 30 14:47:30 oil: http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/29/gamegun-going-to-be-ready-for-retail-by-christmas-will-be-conso/ i prefer that :P Aug 30 14:48:15 Yeah that redneck dood has made an awesome gun there ;) If you saw his original video guy was totally sporting a mullet Aug 30 14:48:25 I wonder where the hell he got so geeky being a total hick Aug 30 14:48:27 lol Aug 30 14:48:48 Have to do some yard work, catch you all this evening... make it work ! :) Aug 30 14:48:51 oil: so we have icons for webos-internals stuff in 0.7.7 now Aug 30 14:48:55 lol, i saw the original one a bit back. Aug 30 14:49:01 FreeTim: it's working now Aug 30 14:49:03 decimation, yeah, remember his mullet? :) Aug 30 14:49:07 That orginal one was pretty awesome. Aug 30 14:49:10 lol, couldnt forget. Aug 30 14:49:12 and screenshots are in the feed Aug 30 14:49:19 yep Aug 30 14:49:37 oil: and FullDescription for feeds other than PreCentral Aug 30 14:50:12 huh Aug 30 14:50:16 i mean Aug 30 14:50:24 * Decimation opens up the "Services and Plugins" category and sees icons :O Aug 30 14:50:28 im not sure what all ill have to do to get them to work Aug 30 14:50:37 it may be something that has to be fixed before its put in the feed Aug 30 14:51:08 Also we still need a list of all the org.webosinternals so I can filter through and make all the other icons. Aug 30 14:51:29 oil: yeah, I'll do some testing on PreCentral FullDescriptions tomorrow. Aug 30 14:51:44 Templarian: you're making the icons? Aug 30 14:52:14 Templarian: we need one for AccelService, and VirtualKeyboard Aug 30 14:52:20 and GNU Patch Aug 30 14:52:29 Decimation: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Icons add them to the list at the bottom. Aug 30 14:52:48 Decimation: http://i30.tinypic.com/2jcxcef.png Aug 30 14:53:11 oil: how is there an unknown? Aug 30 14:53:25 Templarian: manually installed packages Aug 30 14:53:27 shit ive installed that isn't in any feeds Aug 30 14:53:41 Oh makes sense. Aug 30 14:53:41 or if it was on a pre, it would include stuff installed from the palm catalog Aug 30 14:54:04 oil: pretty :D Aug 30 14:54:37 now: to make it work Aug 30 14:54:39 lawls Aug 30 14:54:39 oil: yeah, that's perfect. now we just need to reverse the alphabetical order so WebOS Internals is at the top ;-) Aug 30 14:54:48 lol Aug 30 14:54:52 what we really need Aug 30 14:54:56 is a way to manage the feeds Aug 30 14:54:59 The virtual keyboard is a Patch correct? Aug 30 14:55:09 Templarian: yep Aug 30 14:55:19 Templarian: added to the list. Aug 30 14:56:17 lol, aw man Aug 30 14:56:19 someone else did also. Aug 30 14:56:32 Templarian: so the Preware icon is not on ice - is that intentional? Aug 30 14:57:17 rwhitby: oil thought it might be best. Aug 30 14:57:42 lol Aug 30 14:57:50 blame the icon design on me>? Aug 30 14:57:57 Templarian: no probs - I have no bone in my body with any sort of graphical style, so I will defer to the experts on the icon choices :-) Aug 30 14:57:59 * oil was fine with the crappy box PuffTheMagic put in there Aug 30 14:58:17 lol Aug 30 14:58:22 dont bring me into that Aug 30 14:58:27 And this is why you guys don't do the icons (especially puff) Aug 30 14:58:34 that was a temp-placeholder icon Aug 30 14:58:35 :P Aug 30 14:58:38 for the stub project Aug 30 14:58:40 i like the current preware icon Aug 30 14:58:42 the stub i made of rRick Aug 30 14:58:51 the box was NEVER meant to stay Aug 30 14:59:03 * oil <<3 box Aug 30 14:59:26 I like the current Preware icon too Aug 30 15:00:05 I 've just put in http://www.webos-internals.org/images/8/8d/Icon_WebOSInternals_WebOSInternals.png for other org.webosinternals.* stuff which doesn't have a specific icon yet. Aug 30 15:00:07 Yea, I kind of feel it shouldn't have the ice platform, even though it is the main internals project. Aug 30 15:00:44 Templarian: it's only the one with focus at the moment - by no means is it the main project for webos-internals. Aug 30 15:01:12 rwhitby: what is the GNU Patch Binary? Aug 30 15:01:13 i thought the main project was shotting missels out of our phones? Aug 30 15:01:20 has development already stopped on that? Aug 30 15:01:45 Decimation: we're still waiting on the design from you before we start coding ... Aug 30 15:02:26 Templarian: https://savannah.gnu.org/projects/patch Aug 30 15:03:42 Is it a service or plugin? Aug 30 15:05:39 neither Aug 30 15:06:00 it's a single binary executable. totally unconnected from webOS Aug 30 15:06:12 http://screensnapr.com/u/j267sm.png Aug 30 15:06:16 theres the design rwhitby Aug 30 15:06:49 Decimation: so you need touchstone to power during launch? Aug 30 15:06:57 rwhitby: why would it have an icon then? Aug 30 15:07:08 (since it's coming out the usb socket) Aug 30 15:07:15 Templarian: for the listing in Preware Aug 30 15:07:33 So it shouldn't be on ice? Aug 30 15:07:59 * oil wants rocket attachment Aug 30 15:08:32 rwhitby: precisely. Aug 30 15:08:35 I want a controller attachement. Aug 30 15:09:19 kk, i designed Aug 30 15:09:20 oil Aug 30 15:09:21 code it. Aug 30 15:10:00 code it>? Aug 30 15:10:04 that looks like hardware Aug 30 15:10:09 not software Aug 30 15:10:11 lol, you made blocked, you can do anything :) Aug 30 15:10:41 nope, its a new generation of software Aug 30 15:10:46 its called... uhm Aug 30 15:10:51 3d real life software Aug 30 15:10:55 ok, now the feed is fixed, and oil has metadata to use, I'm heading to bed. Aug 30 15:10:57 night all. Aug 30 15:10:59 you code it, and it appears. Aug 30 15:11:06 nite rwhitby. Aug 30 15:11:07 rwhitby: goodnight. Aug 30 15:11:24 its got descriptions from precentral? Aug 30 15:13:00 should: echo src/gz armv7 http://www.shiur.org/pda/palm-pre/feed >> /var/etc/ipkg/preware.conf be sufficient to get preware to read the feed from http://www.shiur.org/pda/palm-pre/feed/ ? Aug 30 15:13:18 oil: i just see that it has screenshots. Aug 30 15:13:43 ...or is there something i'm missing there? Aug 30 15:13:49 Zuchmir2: you'd best not use armv7 for the list name. use: Aug 30 15:14:57 screenshots > nothing Aug 30 15:15:04 there's a plugin in there, and it's only compiled for the pre Aug 30 15:15:07 echo "src/gz shuir http://www.shiur.org/pda/palm-pre/feed" >> /var/etc/ipkg/shiur.conf Aug 30 15:15:55 Zuchmir2: the second field has no relationship to the architecture. we should probably rename the webos-internals ones to avoid the confusion Aug 30 15:15:56 the 2nd field is a unique id? Aug 30 15:16:07 oh, ok Aug 30 15:16:15 Zuchmir2: the second field denotes the filename under /var/usr/lib/ipkg/lists/ Aug 30 15:16:28 must be unique across all feed configs Aug 30 15:16:59 I think I'll use a reverse-dns name there, so perhaps org.jewishcontent for yours Aug 30 15:17:15 (test that a . works first) Aug 30 15:17:19 ok, cool, now i can see my feed Aug 30 15:18:24 Zuchmir2: perhaps org.jewishcontent.armv7 for the second field? Aug 30 15:18:41 and org.jewishcontent.conf for the file in /var/etc/ipkg/ ... Aug 30 15:19:20 I'll update ipkgservice in the next version to use the same conventions to avoid collision Aug 30 15:20:30 ok, so i an add another feed file in /var/etc/ipkg/ ? Aug 30 15:21:09 ... and preware will pickit up Aug 30 15:21:10 yes, just use the reverse DNS of a domain you own Aug 30 15:21:21 with .conf on the end Aug 30 15:21:53 ok, thanks Aug 30 15:21:55 really though Aug 30 15:22:01 we need a way to add and remove feeds in-app Aug 30 15:22:32 oil: do it :P preload can Aug 30 15:23:01 * oil looks at rwhitby Aug 30 15:23:19 * Decimation sings to himselff... "anything you can do i can do betterrrr" Aug 30 15:23:24 oil: yes we do, but this is defining the process and standards that such a mechanism will automate Aug 30 15:26:05 lol, my friends are getting their drivers permits and stuff and i can't yet.. this sucks.lol Aug 30 15:26:22 wow, that does Aug 30 15:26:29 you're what, 15? Aug 30 15:26:40 14 Aug 30 15:26:44 * oil feels old Aug 30 15:26:54 most of my friends are 15/16 Aug 30 15:27:11 thats what i get for taking advanced math/science classes :P Aug 30 15:27:17 * oil needs Rick_work to start talking so he doesn't feel old Aug 30 15:27:59 * oil is 24 Aug 30 15:28:07 * Decimation feels young :/ Aug 30 15:28:30 lol Aug 30 15:28:48 i wish i could skip to my senior year.. lol Aug 30 15:29:22 * rwhitby bbt Aug 30 15:29:28 later Aug 30 15:29:36 * oil will have somethin sexy by then Aug 30 15:30:51 maybe i should sort feeds by # of packages Aug 30 15:31:03 then at least webos internals would be 3rdf Aug 30 15:31:05 nah, feed name is better. Aug 30 15:31:08 lol Aug 30 15:31:13 under precentral and unknown Aug 30 15:31:19 well, on my emulator its below unknown Aug 30 15:31:40 im actually a little shocked it works Aug 30 15:31:41 lolol Aug 30 15:31:43 lol, i never could get winscp working with the emulator Aug 30 15:32:15 how do i restore my emulator to the original firmware Aug 30 15:32:25 like.. the emulator equivilent of the doctor. Aug 30 15:32:42 uh Aug 30 15:32:44 reinstall the sdk? Aug 30 15:33:34 Or delete the image and double click the sdk button again (i think it checks for the image and if it's not there adds it) Aug 30 15:33:49 emulator button* Aug 30 15:34:35 Templarian: wheres the image to delete? lol Aug 30 15:38:42 in virtual box virtual media manager Aug 30 15:38:58 (file > Virtual Media Manager) Aug 30 15:40:50 http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/1723/screengly.png (I used a less depressing version of the one on the wiki: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Template:Tux) Aug 30 15:42:35 lol Aug 30 15:43:13 hi Aug 30 15:43:42 hello. Aug 30 15:44:29 oil, if you ever get free time and I ever find time to finish designing it, it could be a very funny deactivated card screen hehe. Aug 30 15:45:44 lol Aug 30 15:50:01 which was the stubbiest stub of anything Aug 30 15:50:10 since as far as I can recall, Ididn't write ANY CODE Aug 30 15:50:57 sorry Aug 30 15:51:01 I was an hour out of date. Aug 30 15:51:06 eh? Aug 30 15:51:10 feeling younger now Aug 30 15:51:12 ??? Aug 30 15:51:18 oil? Aug 30 15:51:22 I Aug 30 15:51:23 can Aug 30 15:51:24 talk Aug 30 15:51:25 like Aug 30 15:51:26 hell yeah i am Aug 30 15:51:27 that Aug 30 15:51:28 guy Aug 30 15:51:30 this Aug 30 15:51:31 morning Aug 30 15:51:32 t hat Aug 30 15:51:32 * oil is now a spring chicken Aug 30 15:51:33 guy Aug 30 15:51:33 .... Aug 30 15:51:34 annoyed Aug 30 15:51:35 me Aug 30 15:51:35 so Aug 30 15:51:37 sosososososo Aug 30 15:51:38 SO Aug 30 15:51:39 SOOO Aug 30 15:51:40 ? Aug 30 15:51:40 ? Aug 30 15:51:42 ? Aug 30 15:51:44 ? Aug 30 15:51:45 lol Aug 30 15:51:46 much Aug 30 15:51:48 . Aug 30 15:51:50 Rick_work: we put your name on http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/200660-preware.html Aug 30 15:52:02 i wasnt sure if you wanted rboatright or Rick_work Aug 30 15:52:36 doesn't matter. Aug 30 15:52:39 rboatright is fine Aug 30 15:52:46 ok Aug 30 15:52:56 lol, i did some crazy complaining Aug 30 15:53:03 that earns me a spot on the name list :P Aug 30 15:53:14 lawl Aug 30 15:54:49 you know, i noticed.. the virtual keyboard is nice and all, but i haven't used it once. Aug 30 15:55:01 haha Aug 30 15:55:10 i think its awesome Aug 30 15:55:13 a great hack Aug 30 15:55:27 but i prefer physical buttons Aug 30 15:55:57 yeah. Aug 30 15:56:03 and unlike some people Aug 30 15:56:10 i do all my web browsing in portrait Aug 30 15:56:20 so it doesn't help me there either :/ Aug 30 15:58:42 wow, i havent slept. Aug 30 15:58:56 its noon, and i still havent slept Aug 30 16:01:11 it would be neat if it worked with the Terminal Aug 30 16:01:28 I make a lot of typos with it though Aug 30 16:01:58 the layout of my virtual keyb is not right ! .. i'm the only one with that? Aug 30 16:04:34 whats not right about it? Aug 30 16:05:43 w8 i will send you a screen Aug 30 16:05:56 k Aug 30 16:06:17 arff wtf i can log to my pre via evdo that's anoying Aug 30 16:06:57 cant Aug 30 16:08:25 you arent near a computer? Aug 30 16:08:35 I'm confused about the preware keyboard Aug 30 16:08:48 I installed preware and the keyboard through it Aug 30 16:08:52 spotter: whats the preware keyboard? Aug 30 16:08:55 preware says I can remove the keyboard, so it seems to be installed Aug 30 16:08:59 you mean the virtual keyboard patch. Aug 30 16:09:02 yes Aug 30 16:09:06 thats installed through preware Aug 30 16:09:11 was trying to be concise w/ words Aug 30 16:09:12 okay.. continue. Aug 30 16:09:15 yup i'm near but now i can log via the evdo interface ! ... i was able but this night .. dead Aug 30 16:09:33 but I cant seem to double tap gesture area to open it Aug 30 16:09:38 i can via the wifi ! .. i'm thinking bellmo have blocked all incoming data on the evdo =o( Aug 30 16:09:44 that is how you open it, right? Aug 30 16:09:50 RainMain: just take a screen shot and conect on your computer via usb Aug 30 16:09:55 spotter: yes Aug 30 16:10:02 okay spotter, lets do some trouble shooting. Aug 30 16:10:12 have you restarted your phone since installing? Aug 30 16:10:15 this is a fresh pre, just webos doctored it Aug 30 16:10:16 yup i'n on sftp now .. just doing a search for the rep Aug 30 16:10:17 yes Aug 30 16:10:21 that was first thing I tried Aug 30 16:10:25 okay Aug 30 16:10:39 connect your pre to your computer in usb drive mode. Aug 30 16:10:52 done Aug 30 16:11:16 okay, now in the drive labled palm pre Aug 30 16:11:28 you should have a good number of folders Aug 30 16:11:33 yes Aug 30 16:11:35 do you have a virtual-keyboard folder? Aug 30 16:11:39 no Aug 30 16:11:47 okay, installation wasn't successfull. Aug 30 16:12:00 I installed it and removed it multiple times Aug 30 16:12:05 have you previously installed the keyboard Aug 30 16:12:07 not through preware? Aug 30 16:12:17 no Aug 30 16:12:20 this is a fresh palm pre Aug 30 16:12:24 just web os doctored it Aug 30 16:12:29 install webos quick install Aug 30 16:12:32 then preware Aug 30 16:12:32 then install preware Aug 30 16:12:36 ftw Aug 30 16:12:50 okayokay, so you have quick install Aug 30 16:12:55 yes Aug 30 16:13:09 okay, go into preware Aug 30 16:13:15 and uninstall the keyboard. Aug 30 16:14:04 after that, restart your phone and let me know when all and all is done. Aug 30 16:14:04 it doesnt see it Aug 30 16:14:17 it doesnt see it? Aug 30 16:14:23 can you elaborate Aug 30 16:14:39 it device management Aug 30 16:14:42 where I can remove ipks Aug 30 16:14:50 it doesn't list virtual keyboard as being installed Aug 30 16:14:54 no Aug 30 16:14:56 or Aug 30 16:14:58 now it does Aug 30 16:14:59 hmm Aug 30 16:15:00 uninstall it through preware Aug 30 16:15:59 restarting phone Aug 30 16:16:05 okay Aug 30 16:16:09 ill be back in like 2 minutes Aug 30 16:16:25 it'll take 2 minutes to restart Aug 30 16:16:39 nvm Aug 30 16:17:00 yeah, the boot time is outrageous. Aug 30 16:17:26 wonder what boots linux faster Aug 30 16:17:29 my t42p to gdm Aug 30 16:17:33 or my pre to luna Aug 30 16:18:37 luna is what takes time to boot up Aug 30 16:18:45 the inital start it quick Aug 30 16:18:50 ok, still glowing Aug 30 16:18:51 luna = slowwww. Aug 30 16:18:57 but webos quick install can connect to it Aug 30 16:19:02 doesn't see virtual keyboard Aug 30 16:19:13 so you uninstalled through preware Aug 30 16:19:13 and restarted Aug 30 16:19:19 and now it doesn't show installed? Aug 30 16:19:19 yes Aug 30 16:19:21 correct? Aug 30 16:19:49 now try to install it through quick install once your phone starts up. Aug 30 16:19:50 correct Aug 30 16:20:30 preware is bieng slow Aug 30 16:20:45 it was listed as not installed b4 I rebooted Aug 30 16:20:49 was going to check Aug 30 16:20:51 its just circling Aug 30 16:21:49 installing through quick install Aug 30 16:21:54 hmm Aug 30 16:21:56 phone went offline Aug 30 16:22:47 yeah, it does that. Aug 30 16:23:09 ok, installed through quick install Aug 30 16:23:12 preware says its installed Aug 30 16:23:15 will check usb mode Aug 30 16:23:33 okay, now unless you have root access, you're gonna have to restart again Aug 30 16:23:41 no virtual keyboard dircetory yet Aug 30 16:23:42 or if you apply a tweak, it will restart luna, which is quicker. Aug 30 16:23:44 restarting Aug 30 16:24:24 cant restart luna from quick install? Aug 30 16:25:00 if you apply a tweak in quick install Aug 30 16:25:02 it restarts luna Aug 30 16:25:10 restarting Aug 30 16:25:15 as didnt see the tweak Aug 30 16:26:38 after it restart, put it in usb mode and check for dir? Aug 30 16:27:02 yeah Aug 30 16:27:31 anyone know if the old instructions with python are still somewhere on the wiki? Aug 30 16:28:25 nada Aug 30 16:28:36 no virtual keyboard dir Aug 30 16:31:41 so no other advice? Aug 30 16:34:10 spotter: sorry, no. Aug 30 16:34:33 i guess you should come back and ask eguadet_away when he comes back. Aug 30 16:35:12 oil: i just installed optware on my emulator Aug 30 16:35:19 i ran the script it gave me on the wiki Aug 30 16:35:23 cd /tmp Aug 30 16:35:23 wget http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/bootstrap/blobs/raw/master/optware-bootstrap.sh Aug 30 16:35:23 sh optware-bootstrap.sh Aug 30 16:35:23 source /etc/profile.d/optware Aug 30 16:35:34 it never asked me to create a user name like it did on the pre Aug 30 16:35:37 is that right? Aug 30 16:35:44 * oil has no clue Aug 30 16:36:29 well do you use winscp on your emulator at all? Aug 30 16:38:52 no Aug 30 16:49:01 someone know if it'S possible to run tcpdump on the pre ?... i think bell block all incoming packet =o/ Aug 30 16:49:01 anyone familiar with using winscp to access the emulator? Aug 30 16:49:13 or some other GUI file viewer? Aug 30 16:51:31 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Icons How does the symbol for patches look? Aug 30 16:52:14 Templarian: i like it :) Aug 30 16:52:32 do you use the emulator templarian? Aug 30 16:53:00 Decimation: yep, but I've never tried to winscp into it. Aug 30 16:54:07 hi all. im trying to ssh into my palm, I've done everything up to 'turn off developer mode' but cant ssh in using ssh chad@192.168.0.200:222 any suggestions Aug 30 16:54:28 name or service not known. Aug 30 16:54:43 Templarian: i need to access the files some how :/ but i can't login in via ssh in winscp so idk what to do. Aug 30 16:55:03 * Templarian goes and tries. Aug 30 16:58:24 I need to open up ports on the pre so I can connect to it? Aug 30 16:58:41 MadCowBoy, look at your chat window Aug 30 16:58:45 Sent you a PM Aug 30 16:59:03 Templarian: any luck? Aug 30 16:59:31 one sec. Aug 30 17:03:27 okie dookie. Aug 30 17:04:49 someone here can test if they can connect to their pre via evdo (nc -l -p XXXX) Aug 30 17:07:50 It is possible to ocnnect via evdoo Aug 30 17:07:56 but the base script does not do it Aug 30 17:08:07 and it is a VERY VERY laggy connection Aug 30 17:08:13 no it'S not the point ! yesterday i was able to ssh via evdo Aug 30 17:08:14 Decimation: Yea, not sure how they got it to work. Aug 30 17:08:14 yep Aug 30 17:08:21 It's horrible to SSH via EVDO Aug 30 17:08:25 but now i can'T ... dont know why Aug 30 17:08:25 Like 10 second lag Aug 30 17:08:40 not for me .. en evdo i got like 1 sec max lag .. Aug 30 17:08:50 in average Aug 30 17:09:17 but now i think bellmo has blocked all the incoming port .... Aug 30 17:10:31 oh Aug 30 17:10:33 canada. Aug 30 17:10:42 seems likely that they blocked incoming connections Aug 30 17:10:48 well Aug 30 17:10:56 2 day and the first complain at bell Aug 30 17:10:58 ROFL Aug 30 17:11:21 they can do that ? Aug 30 17:11:43 simple enough Aug 30 17:11:47 one router command Aug 30 17:11:53 Is anyone working on a backup solution for the PRE for Window systems? Aug 30 17:11:57 i know they can do it .. but i speak legaly Aug 30 17:12:05 Abyssul what's wrong with rsync? Aug 30 17:12:28 RainMan read your detailed terms of service. A contract is a contract. What doesw it say? Aug 30 17:12:37 It's for linux computers Aug 30 17:12:45 rsync runs fine on windows Aug 30 17:12:57 Any links with instructions? Aug 30 17:13:58 http://www.aboutmyip.com/AboutMyXApp/DeltaCopy.jsp Aug 30 17:14:50 wonderful Aug 30 17:14:54 Can it work via SSH? Aug 30 17:15:05 yes Aug 30 17:15:16 it's a windows wrapper around plain old rsync Aug 30 17:15:17 Now I have something to work on... hehe Aug 30 17:15:18 works fine. Aug 30 17:15:36 really, go read their docs. Aug 30 17:15:43 So... enable rsync in my Pre and connect to it with DeltaCopy Aug 30 17:15:53 it took me, oh, 3 or 4 minutes once I had an rsync daemon running on the pre. Aug 30 17:16:16 I use rsync to back up windows machines as well. Aug 30 17:16:24 With a few limitations, it works great. Aug 30 17:16:36 and windows backup programs have the exact same limitations. Aug 30 17:17:48 unison seems like a smart choice for various pre sync tasks... I've been meaning to arm compile it and see if I can get it to work Aug 30 17:18:42 yeah Aug 30 17:18:47 but rsync is available now Aug 30 17:19:48 Is the host ip my computer or the pre? Aug 30 17:20:38 the pre is the host. You are the client. Aug 30 17:20:52 the pre is running the rsync daemon. The client connects TO THE PRE Aug 30 17:20:58 Ok Aug 30 17:24:01 This would save all apps, hacks, and settings. Correct? Aug 30 17:24:07 Seems like it :) Aug 30 17:27:58 I get a "service creation failed. The user account name specified in the lpServiceStartName parameter does not exist" error when trying to register windows service Aug 30 17:28:34 nvm Aug 30 17:28:36 If you're following the tutorial on WebOS-Internals, the Host is your PC Aug 30 17:28:37 Got it Aug 30 17:30:17 Lol which one is it? Is the Host the PC or Pre? Aug 30 17:30:31 hey, does anyone know where the image that's behind the quicklaunch bar is located? Aug 30 17:30:35 He says PC and Rick says Pre Aug 30 17:33:53 in case anyone needs it in the future, usr/palm/sysmgr/images Aug 30 17:42:31 Can anyone review my PHP GPS script? Aug 30 17:48:11 Abyssul: I can tell you you're insane just by looking at the previous version :) Aug 30 17:48:48 web servers on pre's = bad bad evil Aug 30 17:50:00 but you know, so long as it's yours and not mine, knock yourself out, I just think with the amount of effort you've put into it you could have made a service by now. Aug 30 17:50:17 or headless app Aug 30 17:50:34 lol Aug 30 17:50:42 I just like having a project to do Aug 30 17:50:49 I can't code so lol Aug 30 17:51:18 When I rsync, I get a failed: Operation not permitted (1) error Aug 30 17:51:28 Whats wrong? Aug 30 17:51:39 rw filesystem? Aug 30 17:51:42 Only for some files Aug 30 17:51:44 the operation wasn't permitted Aug 30 17:52:34 if pre rootfs was still read only you'd get permission errors trying to write there Aug 30 18:00:09 Has anyone looked into a Carousel Card View? Aug 30 18:05:12 lol Aug 30 18:15:31 Templarian: was there a reason for the blue fade behind the screenshots? Aug 30 18:17:38 oil: blue fade? Aug 30 18:17:49 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Image:OPS_App_Mockup1.png Aug 30 18:17:51 oil: no just messing with the mockups. Aug 30 18:18:42 Wow thats looking good, will this be in the new Preware update? Aug 30 18:19:09 that was created before preware was even one like of java or javascript Aug 30 18:19:24 Oh okay Aug 30 18:19:31 That has a good look Aug 30 18:26:42 is anyone else annoyed by the email app that when one deletes a message one goes back to the list view? Aug 30 18:26:47 shouldn't it just iterate to next message? Aug 30 18:29:22 No Aug 30 18:29:34 I mean who's email apps do that for you as their feature? Aug 30 18:29:40 yeah, i actually prefer it the way it is Aug 30 18:29:46 Me too Aug 30 18:30:01 I'm thinking of all email apps I use and all of them go back "inbox" or "last window" you were in when you delete/archive/leave message Aug 30 18:30:51 I dont unerstand how you guys get through lots of email Aug 30 18:31:09 by handling it as it arrives Aug 30 18:31:15 I get lots of junk but not spam email Aug 30 18:31:23 i.e. alert messages of sorts Aug 30 18:31:30 that I iteratate through deleting mostly Aug 30 18:31:43 when I wake up in the morning, lots to do Aug 30 18:31:46 Hey oil I got your PM Aug 30 18:32:04 every mobile email app I have ever used had the option to go to next message Aug 30 18:32:12 days late Aug 30 18:32:13 haha Aug 30 18:32:15 Was that sarcasm? Aug 30 18:32:21 no Aug 30 18:32:25 haha okay Aug 30 18:32:29 spotter: you can go to the next message Aug 30 18:32:39 oil, but not while deleting Aug 30 18:32:40 with the little arrows around the subject Aug 30 18:32:48 I only use email to collect all notifications from all my sources (via facebook, precentral, etc) Aug 30 18:32:51 I want to delete and iterate Aug 30 18:33:07 I cant think of one email app (mobile or desktop actually) that didn't support that ability Aug 30 18:33:30 i dont know what to tell you Aug 30 18:33:32 tough luck? Aug 30 18:33:33 also a little annoyed that the pre doesn't support unencrypted wma, but probably should have checked that out Aug 30 18:33:42 not the biggest deal there Aug 30 18:34:04 just annoyed that I spent an hour copying about 1000 tracks to the pre, only to see that 150 of them work Aug 30 18:34:11 well maybe the Pre isn't the phone for you? Aug 30 18:34:16 I mean Palm can't make everyone happy Aug 30 18:34:44 hah Aug 30 18:35:04 I'm mostly happy w/ it Aug 30 18:35:09 You can go use one of those iPhone's or blackberry's :) *grin* Aug 30 18:35:23 I hear Android has every feature known to man! Aug 30 18:35:24 I love the pre. I think webos is still a bit young though. In two years, it will be awesome. Aug 30 18:35:28 psykoz, I've been waiting for a pre for months now Aug 30 18:35:39 just had to get sprint to make me a good plan for it Aug 30 18:35:46 which they eventually did Aug 30 18:35:51 I agree it's young, but it has done better then Android did in its first yr. Aug 30 18:36:09 I really only have a few niggles w/ the pre Aug 30 18:36:09 I pay a three digit monthly extortion fee so I can do almost anything I want (not tether) without worring about any more fees than the extortion fee. Aug 30 18:36:10 Jeez, Rsync takes a while Aug 30 18:36:26 rsync is much faster than vanilla scp ... Aug 30 18:36:40 jettero, sprint messed up my old plan Aug 30 18:36:50 where I was paying $110 for 2500 minutes for 3 lines Aug 30 18:36:50 rsync is only slow the first time Aug 30 18:36:52 and couldnt fix it Aug 30 18:36:57 so gave me ed3000 for $110 for the 3 lines Aug 30 18:36:58 after that, it only transfers files that have changed Aug 30 18:37:03 I love my sprint 25% discount, it pwns Aug 30 18:37:13 and the 25% applies on top of that Aug 30 18:37:28 so I can't complain about my bill Aug 30 18:37:49 just wish palm supported the ability to write native apps a bit more, then some of these niggles could be more easily fixed Aug 30 18:38:28 how many files is there "to-check"? Rsync says I have 53,771 lol Aug 30 18:38:31 seems you can write nearly everything with java or an arm crosscompiler Aug 30 18:38:49 though part of me wonders if it be possible to write a wmv gstreamer plugin for the media player and get the media player to just work w/ it Aug 30 18:39:22 spotter: sounds like you could lose two weekends on that if you're not careful Aug 30 18:39:31 I believe people have talked about a custom compiled gstreamer in here before Aug 30 18:39:50 and what was the conclusion? Aug 30 18:39:54 or was there no conclusion? Aug 30 18:40:05 I don't know, I'm just mentioning that people haev discussed such here before Aug 30 18:40:20 So there seems to be interest in such an idea Aug 30 18:40:24 psykoz, basically I believe all my issues can be fixed Aug 30 18:40:29 hence why I beleive the pre is a good phone Aug 30 18:40:46 does usa provider give 10.121.* ip range to your ppp0 interface ? Aug 30 18:40:53 though still a teeny bit skeptical on the whole each app is a web page programing model Aug 30 18:41:20 at least in the current model where its all single process Aug 30 18:41:31 Rsync is suppose to backup your pre files to /media/pre-backup, then what? Aug 30 18:51:05 hrmm Aug 30 18:51:31 virtual keyboard isn't prompting to run the install script in preware now :/ Aug 30 19:18:09 http://i30.tinypic.com/14wxelw.png Aug 30 19:18:10 eh? Aug 30 19:19:11 oil: oh lalala you the man Aug 30 19:19:27 how far along is that description area? Aug 30 19:19:40 itl be there for non-precentral apps Aug 30 19:19:48 there is some encoding issues to work out Aug 30 19:19:49 ok cool Aug 30 19:20:31 Templarian: i didn't muck up your mockup too much? Aug 30 19:21:39 oil: I think we've surpassed the mockup, lol. Aug 30 19:21:47 lol Aug 30 19:21:58 even though the old women said side-scrolling is bad Aug 30 19:22:01 i put it in for the screenshots Aug 30 19:22:17 updating preware from itself worked also in the last version Aug 30 19:22:35 oil: hows the dependency stuff going? Aug 30 19:22:44 eh Aug 30 19:22:46 not at all? Aug 30 19:22:53 lol Aug 30 19:22:58 the service needs to be changed Aug 30 19:23:10 so it passes "flags" for the service packages Aug 30 19:23:17 as it is now, you try to install terminal Aug 30 19:23:24 itl want to install termplugin first Aug 30 19:23:31 but, its postinst script will restart java Aug 30 19:23:35 killing hte service Aug 30 19:23:41 it would never get around to installing terminal Aug 30 19:23:59 but if it passes a flag saying a java reboot will be needed Aug 30 19:24:06 the app can call it when its all done Aug 30 19:24:42 now Aug 30 19:24:54 to peek at palms app for fullscreen screenshot browsing Aug 30 19:24:56 xD Aug 30 19:25:07 lol Aug 30 19:25:16 just a lil peek Aug 30 19:28:44 is it just me Aug 30 19:28:55 or does the wiki's search engine suck donkey balls? Aug 30 19:29:44 yea it does Aug 30 19:29:45 lol Aug 30 19:29:59 brings alot of un relevant stuff up Aug 30 19:30:25 Yea, i think there's a search extension... we might want to look into fixing it. Aug 30 19:50:18 rofl Aug 30 19:50:33 The FileCoaster download link is Precentral's home page Aug 30 19:50:42 [; Aug 30 19:51:26 eh? Aug 30 19:51:57 If you go the download link in the Homebrew apps section for FileCoaster, it directs you to the PreCentral homepage Aug 30 19:52:47 Hi there, I cant ssh into my pre after re-installing ssh cannot resolve service, I can ssh all over the place on my network and remotely to another network, but not into my pre, using ssh chad@192.168.0.200:222 Aug 30 19:53:07 do I need to alter ip tables? open ports? Whas happenning? any ideas? Aug 30 19:53:36 oh ya, I can ssh out to my laptop while in novacom Aug 30 19:54:53 MadCowBoy_: use novacom and log into your pre Aug 30 19:54:55 do Aug 30 19:54:56 ps aux Aug 30 19:55:02 and make sure the ssh service is running Aug 30 19:55:03 if it is Aug 30 19:55:12 open up the Web app on your phone and open a webpage Aug 30 19:55:17 k two secs Aug 30 19:55:23 some time you have to open a connection Aug 30 19:56:01 ok ill try that bud, just reseting Aug 30 20:00:57 atlanta: /opt/sbin/dropbear -g -F -p 222 is running, but I dont see ssh? Aug 30 20:01:18 that is shh Aug 30 20:01:19 ssh Aug 30 20:01:30 open the web app and go to like google Aug 30 20:01:33 then try to ssh into your phone Aug 30 20:02:06 ya bud done, still no go, Aug 30 20:05:43 iptables -L and look if its allowing any connections to port 222 Aug 30 20:06:28 ACCEPT tcp -- anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:222 Aug 30 20:06:42 I dont know much about ip tables, but is this OK? Aug 30 20:07:28 REJECT tcp -- anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:auth flags:FIN,SYN,RST,ACK/SYN state NEW reject-with tcp-reset Aug 30 20:07:29 DROP tcp -- anywhere anywhere tcp dpts:4444:4445 Aug 30 20:11:09 OK, I quickly installed putty, never used it before, but it allowed me to ssh in to my pre, I was just using a regular terminal on my ubuntu machine, without success, I'd prefer not to use putty, any way I can use the terminal? Aug 30 20:12:41 what command did you use Aug 30 20:12:42 ? Aug 30 20:13:02 ssh chad@192.168.0.200:222 Aug 30 20:14:07 Where is the file that renders the messaging app pages? Aug 30 20:14:10 and in putty: host 192.168.0.200 port 222 checked ssh ----> login as chad Aug 30 20:14:24 my buddy icon is off center and I've replaced the whole messaging app folder with stock files Aug 30 20:14:26 no problem, weird, Aug 30 20:15:06 MadCowBoy_: do ssh -P 222 chad@192.168.0.200 Aug 30 20:17:30 wicked, that works (using little -p not -P), weird though, Aug 30 20:18:09 does everyone need to do that? Aug 30 20:18:17 when using terminal? Aug 30 20:18:22 thanks Aug 30 20:18:47 Hello Aug 30 20:18:52 run! Aug 30 20:19:02 * egaudet is really hungover Aug 30 20:19:14 off apple juice? Aug 30 20:19:45 orange juice Aug 30 20:21:17 someone was in here asking about the osk Aug 30 20:23:12 it looks like I have a lot of reading and data gathering to do, 20+ pages more on the precentral thread I've missed Aug 30 20:23:24 lol Aug 30 20:23:29 MadCowBoy_: no problem Aug 30 20:23:30 and yea Aug 30 20:23:43 yeah, thats probably preware & that homepage articles fault Aug 30 20:23:55 homepage article for telling everyone Aug 30 20:24:09 and preware for making it easy to install it and not know what they;re doing Aug 30 20:24:36 lol, for the most part have people been successful installing it with preware? Aug 30 20:24:55 most of the problems ive seen Aug 30 20:25:05 have been with changing themes etc Aug 30 20:25:05 Could someone help me with removing an app that I can't figure out how to remove. Aug 30 20:25:20 but idk shit about it, so i just ignore them Aug 30 20:25:21 xD Aug 30 20:25:34 lol^ Aug 30 20:25:55 ird: what are you trying to remove Aug 30 20:26:04 the pregame flashlight app. Aug 30 20:26:18 I installed it with the command line method back before preware and filecoaster etc. Aug 30 20:26:24 ohhh Aug 30 20:26:39 ipkg remove com.app.pregame.flashlight says there is no app. Aug 30 20:27:14 yay for stuck pixels on my Pre... Aug 30 20:27:41 i actually wrote my own little front-end for the modified flashlight service that jason did Aug 30 20:28:01 cause i thought a 50x30px hit target was too small Aug 30 20:28:09 it is Aug 30 20:28:10 so mine uses the entire screen Aug 30 20:28:21 Nvm then lol Aug 30 20:28:24 and its black Aug 30 20:28:33 with white text saying "TAP FOR LIGHT!" Aug 30 20:28:36 or something like that Aug 30 20:28:48 that runs on the flash Aug 30 20:28:55 When I hold the Pre as a flashlight, I tend to have my hand on the screen Aug 30 20:29:08 i tend to hold it by the sides Aug 30 20:29:25 Could I just remove the folder with the app in it? Aug 30 20:29:32 Or would that break something. Aug 30 20:29:33 ird: maybe? Aug 30 20:32:52 hmmm theres a bug with Quick Install Aug 30 20:33:14 o noes Aug 30 20:35:16 terrific.. Aug 30 20:36:47 * oil goes for lunch Aug 30 20:39:05 * egaudet is going to take a nap Aug 30 21:38:40 Anyone tried new Filecoaster? Aug 30 21:39:19 new? Aug 30 21:39:35 Yeah 1.1.2 Aug 30 21:39:42 Guess they added a bunch of new things Aug 30 21:39:58 * oil checks it out Aug 30 21:42:12 Looks like they just added better sort abilities Aug 30 21:47:35 Nothing to special Aug 30 21:53:47 * oil wonders how much PreGame is making in donations Aug 30 21:53:57 Pregame? Aug 30 21:54:01 Preload? Aug 30 21:54:09 pregame is the progammer behind filecoaster Aug 30 21:54:17 oh gotcha Aug 30 21:54:27 Why you ask that? Aug 30 21:54:53 im just wondering Aug 30 21:54:58 Oh Aug 30 21:55:01 no reason Aug 30 21:55:03 egaudet: welcome back. you made news.cnet.com, did you know? Aug 30 21:55:06 just curious Aug 30 21:55:57 egaudet should be getting some nice donation traffic from the weekend too :-) Aug 30 21:56:09 http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10320498-1.html?tag=mncol Aug 30 21:56:54 and they show landscape mode Aug 30 21:57:00 something dieter forgot in his video Aug 30 21:58:21 grats on cnet Aug 30 21:58:30 I think I've found a bug in preware. Aug 30 21:59:11 being beta, that's reasonably likely :-) Aug 30 21:59:43 Well. I'm not sure if it's a bug, or if it's just my pre. Aug 30 22:00:17 * oil bets its your pre Aug 30 22:00:17 xD Aug 30 22:00:21 The removed the flashlight service (And verified that all the files that the removal script removes are gone) but preware still thinks it's installed. Aug 30 22:00:33 yeah, thats rwhitbys area Aug 30 22:00:33 xD Aug 30 22:00:56 ird: did you restart preware? Aug 30 22:01:10 we already know that problem rwhitby Aug 30 22:01:25 the prerem script runs Aug 30 22:01:26 restarts java Aug 30 22:01:29 killing the service Aug 30 22:01:33 yeah, just double checking it's the one we think it is. Aug 30 22:01:35 never actually removing the package Aug 30 22:01:54 so how do I get rid of it? Aug 30 22:01:56 ird: does preware still think it's installed after you restart preware? Aug 30 22:02:00 yes Aug 30 22:02:10 it shows as not installed until I restart preware. Aug 30 22:02:38 yeah, cause after preware thinks its removed even though it isnt, it updates the stored data Aug 30 22:02:44 ird: use WebOS Quick Install to remove it Aug 30 22:02:56 Yeah quick install would be the best way Aug 30 22:03:03 the only way Aug 30 22:06:10 Thanks. Aug 30 22:06:56 Also, just wanted to say good work to all the people that have made all this cool stuff possible with the pre. Aug 30 22:20:08 someone here can tel me if their "ppp0" interface got a 10.121.* ip ? Aug 30 22:23:37 new version of Virtual Keyboard (0.1.3) fixes some installation problems - no functional changes to the keyboard. it does add the metadata for the next version of Preware to use :-) Aug 30 22:24:23 rwhitby i will try it i hope it fix the layout problem i have! Aug 30 22:24:37 it won't - there are no functional changes Aug 30 22:25:00 humm i'm the only one with this trouble =o/ Aug 30 22:25:50 I installed music player remix with Preware and now music won't play at all from music app or MP remix or even ringtone sampler and I can't remove it.... can someone help? Aug 30 22:26:10 sounds like a bigger problem Aug 30 22:26:26 you use a headset? Aug 30 22:26:33 no Aug 30 22:26:50 ringtones work when calls ring in.. Aug 30 22:27:03 but nothing else? Aug 30 22:27:15 system sounds work Aug 30 22:27:24 RainMan: could easily be a BellMo difference ... Aug 30 22:27:36 and, its not really a problem with preware Aug 30 22:27:42 the fact you installed it with it means nothing Aug 30 22:27:51 if anything, its music remix's fault Aug 30 22:27:56 that what i think ... i update to 1.3 now! if it does the same tyhing i will send you a screen .. you will se by yourself Aug 30 22:28:20 oil, figured just wanted to give as much info as possible. I can't remove it now though... Aug 30 22:30:39 timboy: you get no sound via the speaker? what about via headphones? Aug 30 22:31:37 Headphones work Aug 30 22:32:16 timboy: does any sound work with the speaker? Aug 30 22:32:21 mytether author has an interesting website: http://mytether.com/store/ Aug 30 22:32:44 gkatsev, system sounds and ringtone works when calls come in Aug 30 22:33:38 rwhitby, its mytether.net Aug 30 22:34:33 it really irritates me when people create a pay-for app and say you have to donate to get it. Aug 30 22:37:35 oil, gkatsev, any ideas? Aug 30 22:38:18 gkatsev: amen, brother. Aug 30 22:38:21 timboy: uninstalling? Aug 30 22:38:42 you try the diagnostics things? Aug 30 22:38:49 er, interactive tests Aug 30 22:39:00 gkatsev, how? I can't it's in the apps orange click doesn't allow for uninstall and preware shows it's uninstalled... Aug 30 22:39:36 timboy: as oil said, try the interactive test Aug 30 22:40:20 just like some of the paid beta ones, wtf Aug 30 22:40:41 for beta testers only but if you donate you can be a beta tester too.. err? Aug 30 22:41:33 gkatsev, oil, tests pass fine Aug 30 22:41:48 go to the sprint store Aug 30 22:42:00 point at your pre and say "dude, its broke" Aug 30 22:42:41 timboy: it happened after you install the MP remix? perhaps try webOSdr first see if it fixes it, if not, go to sprint store Aug 30 22:42:43 timboy: did you try pandora? Aug 30 22:42:57 pandora doesn't work either destinal Aug 30 22:43:14 timboy: hmm.. yeah, I don't know what remix does but doctoring might fix it Aug 30 22:43:38 will I lose everything with doctor? Aug 30 22:43:42 destinal: MP remix = music player remix Aug 30 22:43:44 timboy: yes Aug 30 22:44:06 timboy: well not everything, the cloud backs up a lot of the stock stuff for you Aug 30 22:44:08 timboy: back up data first, official apps and stuff will be reinstalled Aug 30 22:44:20 all memos and tasks will be gone? Aug 30 22:44:45 memos and tasks get backed up and restored, right? Aug 30 22:48:54 anyone know? Aug 30 22:49:08 not for sure Aug 30 22:49:29 destinal: I think not Aug 30 22:51:20 timboy: back them up and report back? Aug 30 22:57:09 will do Aug 30 23:01:14 So what was added in virtual keyboard 1.3? Aug 30 23:02:04 Splmonster: icon and screenshot URLs, ready for Preware 0.8.0 Aug 30 23:03:12 So I installed it and it said error updating, but it updated and shows 1.3 within quick install device managemnet Aug 30 23:04:01 Seem weird? Aug 30 23:04:10 error updating? Aug 30 23:04:21 Yeah.... Aug 30 23:04:26 * oil hates it when stuff that looks right doesn't work for shit Aug 30 23:04:27 what did the IPKG Log say? Aug 30 23:04:41 I tried going back in and it said it was updated Aug 30 23:04:54 And it shows 1.3 now instead of 1.2 Aug 30 23:05:01 Thought it was a bit off Aug 30 23:05:24 ok, the next person who sees anything like that needs to show use the IPKG Log Aug 30 23:05:33 I'm gonna go in and see Aug 30 23:07:06 I get a error 1 in quick install Aug 30 23:07:12 let me screenshot it Aug 30 23:09:03 http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0703/gamerforlife/Untitled.jpg Aug 30 23:09:34 what a gay wallpaper Aug 30 23:09:35 :( Aug 30 23:09:46 Sorry i love my girl Aug 30 23:10:01 show the whole wallpaper Aug 30 23:10:02 ;] Aug 30 23:10:05 i wanna see her Aug 30 23:10:06 ;] Aug 30 23:10:12 I'm good, it's my busines Aug 30 23:10:13 s Aug 30 23:10:21 ;( Aug 30 23:10:55 rwhitby shoud i uninstall it, then try again in Preware so I can screenshot that error in the ipkg? Aug 30 23:13:48 I go into device management and Preware and both show 1.3 now and it works fine. No issues.. Just got that error popup for some odd reason Aug 30 23:30:37 So when is Preware 0.8.0 comin out? Aug 30 23:35:45 This chat sure died Aug 30 23:40:55 Fixed the issue, it needs to be removed then install the new one Aug 30 23:54:06 Really siked for new Preware, any new additions? Aug 30 23:54:12 egaudet: we need to implement dependencies and flags in Preware before we can have the virtual keyboard upgrade work properly when the patch changes. Aug 30 23:56:12 oil: ^^ Aug 30 23:56:42 flags? Aug 30 23:58:12 anyone here successfuly set up ez-ipupdate for ddns on the pre? Aug 30 23:59:46 with ddclient? Aug 31 00:00:08 tmzt: instead of individual prerm and postinst files restarting stuff (and interrupting the communications between ipkgservice and preware if they restart java-serviceboot), we have flags which are accumulated, and then all reset operations happen once at the end. Aug 31 00:00:32 no with ez-ipupdate from optware... Aug 31 00:01:32 rwhitby: oh, cool Aug 31 00:02:38 well maybe someone can answer my questions even if they haven't used ez-ipupdate. Aug 31 00:03:46 i am having trouble getting the pre to run the automated script in /opt/etc/ip-up.d/ as outlined on the wiki. Aug 31 00:04:02 my pre's ip is not updating when its ip changes. Aug 31 00:23:03 Man usually this chat is hopin Aug 31 00:23:05 haha Aug 31 00:31:53 Hey so my buddy that works for Slashgear may do a column on Preware for us Aug 31 00:32:17 cool Aug 31 00:32:27 He wants to talk to you rwhitby Aug 31 00:32:30 Splmonster: feel free to send him my way Aug 31 00:32:32 His name is Evan Selleck Aug 31 00:32:41 naps are good Aug 31 00:32:49 naps++ Aug 31 00:33:09 I saw the cnet, :D very cool. Aug 31 00:36:49 Well looks like we are gonna have a fine article written about our community and Preware Aug 31 00:38:44 yey! Aug 31 00:39:02 I got a friend of mine at Slashgear to write a article for us. Woo hoo Aug 31 00:41:27 w00t Aug 31 00:46:41 ah Aug 31 00:46:46 nothing like a solid day of good coding Aug 31 00:49:58 RainMan, keyboard still look funky? Aug 31 00:50:08 yup Aug 31 00:50:14 even with the new version Aug 31 00:50:39 it work good ! it'S only the layout i think Aug 31 00:51:10 but now i want to do a webos doctor (since i cant ssh my device @ evdo) .. Aug 31 00:51:14 but i'm stuck =o Aug 31 00:51:44 RainMan, could you screen shot me your keyboard? Aug 31 00:52:28 accept it ;) Aug 31 00:52:42 this is the old version ! but the 1.3 do the same Aug 31 00:52:52 nothing to accept? Aug 31 00:52:59 Received a malformed DCC request from RainMan. Aug 31 00:53:04 "." "," and "sym" key work but they're hard to see Aug 31 00:53:10 arff damn Aug 31 00:53:15 imageshack? Aug 31 00:53:29 na i need to reboot my router ! i've messed with it to test the evdo thing Aug 31 00:53:37 dimme a few min Aug 31 00:55:01 k Aug 31 00:56:31 egaudet: basically, the space key is only taking up one key width instead of the normal 4, and thus the . , and sym keys are moved over Aug 31 00:57:41 someone have messed up with webos doctor here ? Aug 31 00:57:53 RainMan: what about it? Aug 31 00:58:05 i try to run it from Xp64 Aug 31 00:58:13 novacomd is installed and running Aug 31 00:58:32 but i'm stuck at " connect your phone directly to your blablablabla" for like 20 min Aug 31 00:58:54 and the pre is connected hehe Aug 31 00:59:56 the "next" button is grayed! can'T click on it Aug 31 01:04:15 Few users complaining the Preware app won't stop spinning with Wi-fi on Aug 31 01:04:23 RainMan: try removing the battery, and then holding the up volume button while putting it back in. leave it connected to the usb cable while doing it. Aug 31 01:06:33 done now i have a battery shape with a question mark on the screen Aug 31 01:06:44 but noting new Aug 31 01:13:35 Oil: When you releasing the updates for your apps? Aug 31 01:14:16 I saw your teasers.. haha Aug 31 01:14:50 RainMan: does the doctor see it now? Aug 31 01:16:35 well finaly Aug 31 01:16:42 i'v pulled out the battery Aug 31 01:16:46 disconected the usb Aug 31 01:16:56 put back the batt with volume up Aug 31 01:16:58 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Icons Does the "Patch" icon look like a bandaid or at least is it recognizable? Aug 31 01:17:08 plug usb .. and "power on" after that Aug 31 01:17:27 not realy the "official" procedure ! but atleast it'S working Aug 31 01:17:50 Templarian: don't really want patches to be associated with band-aids :-) Aug 31 01:18:08 But that's the normal icon for patches. Aug 31 01:18:36 You mean patches that fix bugs. This is a patch that adds new functionality. Aug 31 01:19:09 Same thing, none of these patches fix bugs so it might be implied. Aug 31 01:20:58 Templarian: where are you seeing a band-aid as the normal icon for patches that add functionality? Aug 31 01:22:29 The normal icon for "patches" is a bandaid or tape. I'm trying to think of another icon to use... mind blanks atm. Aug 31 01:23:06 lego blocks? Aug 31 01:23:58 a patch? like on jeans or w/e Aug 31 01:24:20 I like that Aug 31 01:24:22 Templarian: or thing of an icon for source code Aug 31 01:24:36 <> symbol work? Aug 31 01:24:43 "<>"** Aug 31 01:26:09 Hey everyone rate the Preware thread in homebrew apps. Will keep it stickied Aug 31 01:26:32 Splmonster: mind linking it. Aug 31 01:26:37 Yes Aug 31 01:26:46 u mind or u will =p Aug 31 01:26:49 http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/200660-preware.html Aug 31 01:26:53 awesome thanks Aug 31 01:26:54 Sorry I meant i will lol Aug 31 01:28:20 Templarian: I don't like that terminal icon as much Aug 31 01:29:27 not sure why, just not as cool Aug 31 01:30:34 also I kind of disagree with having the same diamond shape for all of the internals icons Aug 31 01:30:44 destinal: Hmm, yea, i'll try and redo it later, if you have any suggestions let me know, I was thinking a chalk board type iso icon. Aug 31 01:31:24 destinal: think of it as a marketing thing. Aug 31 01:31:33 think usability and design, different things have different shapes Aug 31 01:31:42 it's part of the way the human brain sorks Aug 31 01:31:46 s/sor/wor/ Aug 31 01:31:46 destinal meant: it's part of the way the human brain works Aug 31 01:32:23 I think trying to shoehorn everything into this shape limits the ways we can take advantage of shape recognition for easy association with function to a program Aug 31 01:32:40 so basically, I think it's a bad thing Aug 31 01:33:41 destinal: it doesn't really limit the icon a whole lot, and can still represent almost anything without taking away due to the lack of 16 pixels from each side. Aug 31 01:34:10 it's still a diamond Aug 31 01:34:15 = bad Aug 31 01:34:58 I take consistency and marketing the group as a larger plus. Aug 31 01:35:03 the paper airplane underneath really attracts my eye and makes me think of something specific Aug 31 01:35:11 all those bland diamonds, not so much Aug 31 01:36:50 destinal: that's because I've been busy working on other projects, once I redo the icons to a true iso perspective they will look nice, right now they are just placeholders. Aug 31 01:37:51 I guess I'd have to see it but at this point the icon rows on the top of the "Icons" page in the wiki are unattractive to me and the airplane on the bottom is way cool. Aug 31 01:41:42 hey everyone Aug 31 01:41:59 is this webos-internals? Aug 31 01:42:30 guess everyone is watching true blood Aug 31 01:43:13 tntsniper: maybe everyone just assumed that a channel called #webos-internals with so many people in it was an obvious answer ;-) Aug 31 01:43:33 but g'day and welcome anyway :-) Aug 31 01:43:36 sorry I'm not used to using IRC.. I just googled it and hit chat now Aug 31 01:43:48 thanks Aug 31 01:43:54 no probs. how's things going - everything working for you? Aug 31 01:44:09 yea things are great.. i've modded the hell outta my pre and I love it Aug 31 01:44:13 I guess my question would be this Aug 31 01:44:41 is there any possible way, in the near future, that you guys will be able to access opengl and create a driver? Aug 31 01:45:14 is it even possible w/ out Palm doing so themselves? Aug 31 01:45:45 tntsniper: I'm not aware of an open source opengl driver for the omap Aug 31 01:46:32 do you think its possible to make? is it something that devs here are able to do? I'm confused as to why Palm didn't do this in the first place Aug 31 01:46:42 and from the way I feel, I don't see Palm doing this any time soon Aug 31 01:49:43 so many users but no chattin? Aug 31 01:50:34 tntsniper: logs are at http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos-internals/ - activity varies according to time of day (and timezones) and day of week. Aug 31 01:50:37 tntsniper: traffic volume comes and goes Aug 31 01:51:03 sunday night in the US is often a slow time Aug 31 01:51:11 (monday morning here for me) Aug 31 01:57:58 oh okay thanks, u have no idea about the whole development of opengl? Aug 31 01:58:18 rwhitby: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Icons anti-alias is off, but something like that? Aug 31 01:59:07 tntsniper: nope Aug 31 01:59:23 Templarian: now I look at it, the band-aids are probably better ;-) Aug 31 01:59:38 (sorry) Aug 31 02:00:08 no problem. :P Aug 31 02:01:48 * Templarian is going to go off and design up a killer terminal icon instead of the 2min one. Aug 31 02:02:18 okay cool.. thanks Aug 31 02:11:29 what's the command to pull preware from the git? (do i need rights?) Aug 31 02:12:37 you wouldn't need rights to pull typically... and with git, you're usually not granted push (people just pull from your repo) Aug 31 02:13:16 Zuchmir2: the urls to use are on the gitweb page Aug 31 02:13:18 git pull git://git.webos-internals.org/applications/preware.git Aug 31 02:13:46 ok, thanks Aug 31 02:13:52 oh, clone Aug 31 02:14:02 duh, git clone git://git.webos-internals.org/applications/preware.git .. you later cd and git pull Aug 31 02:14:40 Zuchmir2: note the tags. HEAD != 0.7.7 Aug 31 02:14:47 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/preware.git;a=summary Aug 31 02:15:06 do i need services/ipkgservice.git as well? Aug 31 02:15:21 not to build. what's your goal? Aug 31 02:15:36 rwhitby: what do you mean by HEAD != 0.7.7 ? Aug 31 02:15:55 i want to get a handle on how it's working and perhaps do some mods Aug 31 02:15:56 Zuchmir2: the HEAD of the git repo is not the version which is released as Prewar 0.7.7 Aug 31 02:16:02 git checkout tagname rather than using the current bleed commits Aug 31 02:16:26 oh, that i figured, it's more upto date w/development Aug 31 02:16:55 Zuchmir2: it's in a massive state of change right at the moment, to support dependencies. Aug 31 02:17:26 ok, but if i start stuying it now, i'll have a better understanding when i'm ready for mods Aug 31 02:18:35 so my question is, are there only services/ipkgservice.git and applications/preware.git that are interacting, or is there another package as well tht i need to keep in mind Aug 31 02:18:37 very true, just letting you know that HEAD is probably not a consistent state at the moment, but 0.7.7 is Aug 31 02:18:48 Zuchmir2: that's the only two Aug 31 02:19:06 consistant = stable? Aug 31 02:19:16 ok, thanks for that Aug 31 02:20:46 the consent service window is part of ipkgservice Aug 31 02:22:11 ok, also, what is the pterm file Aug 31 02:22:33 is it similar to postinst? Aug 31 02:24:25 Zuchmir2: prerm and postinst are standard ipkg installation scripts. there is also preinst and postrm, but they are difficult to even simulate in offline mode Aug 31 02:25:45 why is that any harder than posinst in prerm? Aug 31 02:27:04 before you install the package, the script to run before the installation is not on the disk, so you can't run it manually Aug 31 02:27:35 with the -o /var switch, they are not run automatically by ipkg as usual Aug 31 02:28:04 ok, i think i understand Aug 31 02:28:09 ... also, it looks like most of confirmInstall() and confirmRemove() are duplicated Aug 31 02:28:30 at the moment, yes. Aug 31 02:29:08 ok, just checking my senses :) Aug 31 02:29:08 Hey Rwhitby, anyway you guys could implement on progress bar while downloading? Aug 31 02:29:36 a not on lol Aug 31 02:29:53 Splmonster: once installations and upgrades are rock solid, we'll turn attention to frills like that. Aug 31 02:30:08 K sounds good, was just wondering Aug 31 02:31:01 So 0.8.0 is coming soon? Aug 31 02:33:53 they do that on spare time ! ... give them break sometime lol Aug 31 02:37:49 Quickqueue got an update, but dang its slow Aug 31 02:40:17 I wonder if anyone is brewing up a directv app Aug 31 02:41:06 What's a directv app do? Aug 31 02:41:16 For the DVR users Aug 31 02:41:29 Adding shows to record, so when you get home they are recorded Aug 31 02:42:44 good night Aug 31 02:43:52 nite Aug 31 02:57:48 ... also noticed: "List Configs..." does not scroll the list **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Aug 31 02:59:57 2009