**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Sep 04 02:59:57 2009 Sep 04 03:17:25 Howdy folx Sep 04 03:18:37 Templarian1: I think your comparison page is a little biased -- you didn't list anything Komodo Edit can't do. Sep 04 03:19:08 destinal_: I got busy with work stuff, I didn't even list everything else it can do. Sep 04 03:20:05 granted it can do a lot :) Sep 04 03:20:58 alright, the dropbear maintainer is going to try to put in search paths for the next release which should mean git and dropbear will work properly instead of the halfassed fashion right now. Sep 04 03:21:00 And i would just start linking to extensions at a point. The point of the page was to show where the other editors can improve (not really going to pull a vi or emac user away lol) Sep 04 03:21:47 anything you can do emacs can do better :P Sep 04 03:22:08 and it's hindered by one of the shittiest lisps still around Sep 04 03:22:10 Point taken. Plus people need to share their emac scripts they wrote. Sep 04 03:22:36 anything you can do emacs can do better, emacs can do anything better than you Sep 04 03:22:46 dear palm, make gsm happen, love, alex Sep 04 03:22:57 that and some kind of storage option beyond what's on the phone.. Sep 04 03:23:07 emacs = the devil. the dark side may be more powerful, but it's still the dark side Sep 04 03:23:22 destinal_: i thought that, until i switched Sep 04 03:23:25 hi guys Sep 04 03:23:28 * destinal_ puts on asbestos suit. Sep 04 03:24:05 it just took a while for me to realize that emacs != editor Sep 04 03:24:18 DraX: or an IDE. Sep 04 03:24:21 yeah, it's practically an OS Sep 04 03:24:30 destinal_: i'm talking to you via emacs Sep 04 03:24:36 i do IM and email via emacs too Sep 04 03:24:40 and twitter Sep 04 03:24:51 My last co-worker did that all also. Sep 04 03:24:52 DraX: and that scares me, somehow. I'm of the "lots of small self-contained tools" mindset Sep 04 03:24:54 i occasionally do work with it. :) Sep 04 03:25:03 link them together with pipes, etc Sep 04 03:25:05 destinal_: i am too, oddly enough Sep 04 03:25:17 destinal_: but a lot of emacs functionality is actually implemented by exec and read from pipe Sep 04 03:25:29 my IM client for example, execs a seperate process and communicates with it over a pipe Sep 04 03:25:33 and presents me a nice gui Sep 04 03:25:51 i use mh-e for email, so it's using nmh underneath, which is basically the ultimte small tools strung together mail program Sep 04 03:26:02 DraX: I've gotten USB peripherals plugged into a pre to power up via usb otg, but not enumerate yet Sep 04 03:26:09 probably a matter of kernel drivers -- we'll get there Sep 04 03:26:16 destinal_: very cool! Sep 04 03:26:20 destinal_: though a little bulky Sep 04 03:26:31 Like I said before, not going to pull the die hard emac/vim users, but will definately switch every Eclipse and all those small editors over to Komodo. Sep 04 03:26:56 DraX: well we can probably take apart the device and wire usb flash to the board :P Sep 04 03:27:03 :D Sep 04 03:27:04 if we can make it physically fit Sep 04 03:27:15 Templarian1: emacs sucks, like unix, it's just vastly better than the alternatives Sep 04 03:27:31 destinal_: any progress? Sep 04 03:28:00 ameng: sorry, never got that break on lunch -- minor incident occurred. also I just got home after running some errands. Sep 04 03:28:01 DraX: if you ever need another application to manage your projects once you have more than a few going think of looking toward Komodo. Sep 04 03:28:10 * destinal_ goes to set up code Sep 04 03:28:16 I've been pretty happy with vim + make, but vim keybindings in komodo are not awful Sep 04 03:28:20 Emac's suck http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emac Sep 04 03:28:43 I wouldn't touch eclipse with someone else's 10 ft pole, though Sep 04 03:28:46 Templarian1: i've never gotten into project managment Sep 04 03:28:55 lmorchard: do you code java at all? Sep 04 03:29:01 I used to Sep 04 03:29:09 I ran from both Java and eclipse Sep 04 03:29:15 though eclipse was at least better than netbeans Sep 04 03:29:20 i've been tempted to use eclipse for when i have to hack java t work Sep 04 03:29:28 but ew. Sep 04 03:29:38 good decision -- Java is the most orrible language I've ever been forced to write software in. Sep 04 03:29:42 no matter. debug is enjoying Sep 04 03:29:54 Rick_home: really, c++ is way worse Sep 04 03:30:04 Most interesting efforts around Java I see are usually trying to shoehorn some other, better language into the JVM Sep 04 03:30:18 and elisp, god agh, it burns Sep 04 03:30:23 dynamic scope == dumbest idea ever. Sep 04 03:30:26 DraX: C++ with Visual Studio makes it better. Sep 04 03:30:42 Templarian1: much like java with eclipse Sep 04 03:31:02 js2-mode is just incredible though Sep 04 03:31:14 i think a lot of my pain with java is that i don't have js2-mode rather than that it's java. :) Sep 04 03:31:21 No one here is saying eclipse is bad for Java (i've said this many times). We have to put it into context of webOS Development. Sep 04 03:31:26 Hey guys, I had a strange idea. Would it be possible to use libnotify and ssh FROM the Pre to make notifications pop up on your linux desktop screen while your Pre is on Wifi? Sep 04 03:31:47 k4p741nkrunch: you could just ping your pre's ip.. Sep 04 03:31:48 well, that may be yourd DraX but it isn't mine. Java is an exercise in philosophy encoded into a language. Sep 04 03:32:18 Templarian1: js2-mode highlights syntax errors in java, tracks whether variables are defined in scope, etc Sep 04 03:32:26 ere Sep 04 03:32:29 s/java/javascript/ Sep 04 03:32:38 Ping the Pre to pull notifications? Sorry I don't understand Sep 04 03:32:55 k4p741nkrunch: i read while as if.. Sep 04 03:32:58 k4p741nkrunch: sorry Sep 04 03:33:04 DraX: Komodo IDE has that also (I don't think Edit does). Sep 04 03:33:37 I think I could do it I just need to know if the Pre could run libnotify Sep 04 03:33:39 (but the extension for edit gives a similar side panel i believe) Sep 04 03:34:37 i mostly write js at work, and it basically saves me hours of hunting syntax errors Sep 04 03:35:26 Komodo Edit does underline sytnax errors, then the webOS Add-on has JSLint for the project. Sep 04 03:35:41 i kind of hate jslint Sep 04 03:35:48 JSLint kind hates you Sep 04 03:35:52 i don't agree with its style decisions Sep 04 03:36:05 style decisions? Sep 04 03:36:08 i'll use conditional expressions if i want Sep 04 03:36:14 i'll skip {} if i want Sep 04 03:36:21 it also lacks support for js 1.7/1.8 stuff Sep 04 03:36:27 so it errors out on array unpacking Sep 04 03:36:36 Yea, that part is annoying... Sep 04 03:36:44 It can't do get or sets either. Sep 04 03:37:20 I'll need to parse out those errors manually later when I have time till it's updated (it's still actively worked on). Sep 04 03:46:06 well, you can turn those things off in jslint. Sep 04 03:46:26 I just think that the decisions are RIGHT for projects where there is a chance that more than one programmer might be working on a piece of code. Sep 04 03:47:21 to a degree Sep 04 03:47:30 i'd just rather be the one making that judgement Sep 04 04:01:07 * oil accidentally took a 4 hour nap Sep 04 04:02:17 ouch, naps should be 20-40 and 90-120 minutes Sep 04 04:03:04 My bro took a nap that lasted 18 hours once. He woke up so confused. Sep 04 04:03:35 thats not a nap Sep 04 04:03:56 i woke up, looked at the clock Sep 04 04:04:05 and thought i was late for work Sep 04 04:04:19 till i realized i was already fully dresed Sep 04 04:05:22 I once partied on a thursday went into work boss left at noon for an appt, and accidently fell asleep for 2 hours. Sep 04 04:08:27 at your desk? Sep 04 04:09:44 Yep. Sep 04 04:09:45 i once got home from school (at around 4PM) wanted to take a quick nap on the couch, woke up the following morning at 10am Sep 04 04:10:13 so, thats... Sep 04 04:10:32 lol, at OSCON 09: Ignite OSCON presentation, Damien Conway gave an absurdly funny presentation speaking out against the semantic web to save mankind from the resulting evil self-aware entity the internet would become :) Sep 04 04:10:36 i guess thats also 18 Sep 04 04:10:55 webos is dangerous because it's just one step along the path to that terrifying future Sep 04 04:11:09 html5 microdata is actually skynet Sep 04 04:11:13 since people may use it :P Sep 04 04:34:40 hi Sep 04 04:39:01 With the terminal app v. 0.2.2, I sometimes hold down the orange key and type numbers, but this does not work for 0 (zero) if I type it after another number. I get an @. It works fine if I press and release orange and then hit it, or if I orange lock. Sep 04 04:39:37 Wonderful app for a pre-alpha, thanks! I use it daily. Sep 04 04:45:32 ashi__colo: thanks for the report, I think I know why that's caused, I'll check into it Sep 04 04:46:22 I'm afraid it may be hard to fix unfortunately Sep 04 04:47:17 Thanks! I know it's an odd way of typing, may as well train myself to use orange lock :) Sep 04 04:47:20 rwhitby: with any luck you have an email now. My 3G has been playing up Sep 04 04:47:39 0/@ is an odd key in how the keycodes are handled Sep 04 04:47:50 ah Sep 04 04:48:42 The terminal app in my opinion is the most important app to be developed for the pre. lol Sep 04 04:48:51 I was giddy just reading about it :P Sep 04 04:48:55 and I like holding down orange as well at times, it can be handy Sep 04 04:48:55 :D Sep 04 04:49:24 punzada: I'm thrilled to be involved in an app so many people use every day Sep 04 04:50:22 it's been a huge community effort though and mrvc and zuchmir2 and others I'm probably forgetting are most to credit :) Sep 04 04:50:23 I find it's already easier to use than pssh. Sep 04 04:50:40 terminal app on your phone = geek cred? Sep 04 04:51:12 oil, I use mostly terminal apps on my pc, and most of which are already available in the repos on the pre Sep 04 04:51:15 it would just be perfect for me. Sep 04 04:51:15 vim on phone = even more geek cred Sep 04 04:51:22 * ashi__colo showed off "shutdown now -r" today Sep 04 04:52:04 finch/irssi/snownews/rtorrent/bash/ssh/rsynch .. hell even samba >.< Sep 04 04:52:22 ~seen mrvc Sep 04 04:52:26 mrvc was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 18d 1h 41m 43s ago, saying: 'Zuchmir2: hmm... don't know'. Sep 04 04:52:26 believe i saw cups as well, which makes me smile. Sep 04 04:52:39 i have finch and irssi running on a server, so, i just ssh into it from the phone and get irc and aim Sep 04 04:52:51 yeah Sep 04 04:52:56 punzada: I think someone mentioned that cups comes on webos Sep 04 04:53:00 punzada: you could technically run vlc as well, its packaged into optware Sep 04 04:53:04 oh nice. Sep 04 04:53:06 * ashi__colo has irssi and centerim on a server at home Sep 04 04:53:09 yeah gkatsev I saw that last night. Sep 04 04:53:17 not sure why, but that's interesting Sep 04 04:53:20 ashi__colo: centerim? Sep 04 04:53:30 fork of centericq, IM client Sep 04 04:53:40 ah Sep 04 04:53:56 I understand why people don't like finch it's very quirky for what it is, I love it though. Sep 04 04:53:59 someone should get synergy working on the pre, lol Sep 04 04:54:06 lol Sep 04 04:54:09 that would be cool Sep 04 04:54:10 cli gui++ Sep 04 04:54:23 hmm wonder if vlc works well Sep 04 04:54:26 just set up synergy on my laptop and netbook. its awesome Sep 04 04:54:53 ashi__colo: vlc might run but video would be a problem Sep 04 04:54:57 I just started reading about synergy the other day. Sep 04 05:03:01 its awesome, though, a bit buggy. a fork has been created for bug fixes but the creator just recently said he will "soon" release 2.0 Sep 04 05:07:29 does anyone know if there is a mojo code completion package for textmate? I've seen something for komodo but not textmate... Sep 04 05:12:07 * gkatsev -> sleep Sep 04 05:12:08 night Sep 04 06:32:05 hello Sep 04 06:32:47 i am doing the pager nagger and i am stuck at the last step 1.Add the following line to /etc/cron/crontabs/root: Sep 04 06:32:47 */5 * * * * /opt/scripts/pager Sep 04 06:32:53 how do i add that line ? Sep 04 06:34:06 did u try echo '*/5 * * * * /opt/scripts/pager' >> /etc/cron/crontabs/root or am i missing somthing obvious here? Sep 04 06:42:58 root@castle:/opt/scripts/pager# echo '*/5 * * * * /opt/scripts/pager' >> /etc/cron/crontabs/root Sep 04 06:42:58 sh: cannot create /etc/cron/crontabs/root: Is a directory Sep 04 06:43:02 that is what i get Sep 04 06:52:30 should be a file not a directory Sep 04 06:55:00 guessing mkdir -p /etc/cron/crontabs Sep 04 06:55:06 root.sh ? Sep 04 06:58:23 root.sh is a wrapper for a shell that logs echoed keystrokes and terminal output Sep 04 06:59:02 i give up i dont understand this lol Sep 04 07:00:25 what are you trying to do JaSonx? Sep 04 07:01:19 the pager nagger Sep 04 07:02:35 JaSonx: try mkdir -p /etc/cron/crontabs; echo '*/5 * * * * /opt/scripts/pager' >> /etc/cron/crontabs/root Sep 04 07:10:08 everytime i reset or turn off and on my pre i have to start crond by sudo -i initctl start crond Sep 04 07:10:25 any way to do it automatically when the pre restarts ? Sep 04 07:16:56 just curioius does the pre have fstab? Sep 04 07:17:28 hmmm Sep 04 07:17:43 so I enabled the developer mode a minute ago Sep 04 07:17:59 could be a shot at mounting that dir at startup Sep 04 07:17:59 oh wait the screen finally did something new Sep 04 07:18:40 alright back to square one Sep 04 07:18:55 I just enable developer mode on my pre Sep 04 07:18:58 [2009/9/4 0:18:16] novacom_usb_rx_thread:326: error reading packet, shutting down, rc: -1 Sep 04 07:19:06 novacomd just keeps saying that every second Sep 04 07:19:13 I launched it as root Sep 04 07:19:30 utils don't see the phone Sep 04 07:20:10 I'm using opensuse x86_64... any tips? Sep 04 07:25:27 JackieRipper Sep 04 07:25:29 kaso Sep 04 07:25:32 JaSonx Sep 04 07:26:06 you need to do a "mount -o rw,remount /" Sep 04 07:26:43 before you can do Zuchmir2 root@castle:/opt/scripts/pager# rootfs_open -w Sep 04 07:28:14 sh: rootfs_open: not found Sep 04 07:28:26 i think that is what i am missing Sep 04 07:34:24 rain how can i fix it the rootfs not found Sep 04 07:35:25 humm i dont know sorry Sep 04 07:36:10 what os are you guys all using? Sep 04 07:36:23 * oil uses xp Sep 04 07:36:32 vista Sep 04 07:36:51 and ya'll have no issues talking to your pres over usb, right? Sep 04 07:36:54 i would have updated to 7 64bit Sep 04 07:37:05 but it doesn't support one of my monitors Sep 04 07:37:13 er, video cards Sep 04 07:38:08 * phish3 regretfully boots into vista to develop on when things go beyond the emulator Sep 04 07:39:07 oil: what kind of weird obscure gfx card do you have? O_o Sep 04 07:39:37 uh Sep 04 07:39:42 obscure ^ Sep 04 07:39:49 geforce fx 5200 Sep 04 07:39:53 i .. only got 8 BSOD ... Sep 04 07:40:05 @ONLY@ Sep 04 07:40:06 lol Sep 04 07:40:14 oil: wow, I would assume that works just fine since it's nvidia Sep 04 07:40:19 no Sep 04 07:40:20 then again the 5000 series was shitty Sep 04 07:40:25 well Sep 04 07:40:27 its pci Sep 04 07:40:33 im just using it to drive my 3rd monitor Sep 04 07:40:54 RainMan: I've had it since they released the RC and I've yet to have a bluescreen except ones caused by EVE Online's latest patch :P Sep 04 07:41:15 8 BSOD in the INSTALL ... Sep 04 07:41:16 Or I'm guessing it's EVE because it only started happening while playing EVE after they released it =) Sep 04 07:41:19 wtf? :D Sep 04 07:41:22 the only os i got that is win98 Sep 04 07:41:35 i and i rolled back to 95 =oP Sep 04 07:42:23 95? Sep 04 07:42:23 wow Sep 04 07:42:34 i havent touched a 95 machine Sep 04 07:42:35 in Sep 04 07:42:40 i cant remember the last time Sep 04 07:42:49 me too ! it but i usualy skip a generation .. ;) Sep 04 07:43:12 i =oP Sep 04 07:43:16 totched Sep 04 07:43:23 whatever lol Sep 04 07:44:17 So that would mean you touched Windows Me Sep 04 07:44:19 ewww.. Sep 04 07:44:20 =) Sep 04 07:44:28 ho no =oP Sep 04 07:44:28 * oil used me Sep 04 07:44:39 you know, for as much slack as it got Sep 04 07:44:39 not even with a 20 foot pole Sep 04 07:44:43 i never had any troubles with it Sep 04 07:45:04 yeah it's funny how some just don't get any issues with them Sep 04 07:45:18 like I've had no issues with Win 7 and nor has anyone else I know except RainMan :P Sep 04 07:45:20 i dont really have a reason for never using vista Sep 04 07:45:25 except it was rather slow on my last pc Sep 04 07:45:39 but since i upgraded to this quad core, i just stuck with xp Sep 04 07:46:03 I had xp 32bit for a while with 4gbs of ram Sep 04 07:46:14 when 7 hit I decided to finally upgrade to 64bit to get all of the ram to use =) Sep 04 07:46:27 I've heard XP 64bit is awful Sep 04 07:47:29 yeah Sep 04 07:47:34 which is why i stuck with 32bit xp Sep 04 07:50:43 the only reason why i i well Sep 04 07:52:20 except for that apostrophe problem you've been having Sep 04 07:52:24 well one trouble ! .. finding the good driver for my wifi card ! =oP Sep 04 07:52:56 i lol Sep 04 09:14:37 re Sep 04 09:40:03 ro Sep 04 11:05:57 anyone get ogg files to play on their pre? Sep 04 11:17:08 the symbols are all there in the simulator Sep 04 11:17:14 * phish3 wonders how ogg isn't playing Sep 04 11:27:16 never tried it personally Sep 04 11:27:23 I"m kinda susprised it doesn't work though Sep 04 11:55:36 have not tried. sorry Sep 04 12:00:58 phish, I didn't think the simulator played any music files? Sep 04 12:14:02 morning Sep 04 12:18:31 anyone ready to alpha test Preware 0.8.1 ? Sep 04 12:26:13 I am Rod Sep 04 12:26:18 (why not?) Sep 04 12:29:36 freakout: /msg sent Sep 04 12:30:26 should have better service startup handling (let me know if you ever see a hang with 0.8.1) and also look in the menus for a preferences screen that oil has done. Sep 04 12:30:53 I've completely rewritten the upstart script to match what Palm does with the CustomizationService. Sep 04 12:33:13 No wukkers. Sep 04 12:33:37 Don't know if noticed it earlier, but I noticed a small bug in 0.8 too. Sep 04 12:33:46 Text for colons was going screwy Sep 04 12:34:14 Zork in the app list didn't show up as Zork: etc but Zork%;% Sep 04 12:36:31 freakout: ah, that would have been a bug in the alpha 0.7.8, not a bug in 0.8.0 Sep 04 12:36:47 (in the ipkgservice 0.7.8 that is) Sep 04 12:37:26 kewl. I'm in 0.8.1 now Sep 04 12:38:28 I like the prefs screen. Check Updates meant to only have one option? Sep 04 12:38:40 OMG i want to shoot Logitech Sep 04 12:38:43 and myself Sep 04 12:41:41 Sounds dramatic, jcrawford :P Sep 04 12:42:59 Okay, is the Prefs screen just for show at this point? Sep 04 12:43:27 I switched "Update Feeds" to Manually Only, but it's still updating on every startup Sep 04 12:43:47 freakout, i bought a $160 keyboard one of the retainer clips under the key broke (basically set like laptop keys with the scissor clips) logitech is telling me to send it in for a full replacement over a 10 cent clip Sep 04 12:43:53 they cant just send me the clip Sep 04 12:44:02 freakout: only the Main Scene preferences are implemented at the moment Sep 04 12:44:08 so i have to go a week without my keyboard which i use every day at home and work and have no secondary lol Sep 04 12:45:23 rwhitby: ah. Well that works fine, services & plugins hiding fine. Sep 04 12:45:55 freakout: but still showing in installed packages, right? Sep 04 12:45:57 jcrawford: that stinks man. I keep a spare generic USB in my box 'o randoms for just such cases Sep 04 12:46:19 rwhitby: yes indeedy. Sep 04 12:46:39 Slightly OT, Super Dog is the worst game I've ever played. Sep 04 12:46:49 It's up there with Smurfs on the C64 Sep 04 12:47:47 freakout, yea i just might have to go buy another keyboard soon Sep 04 12:49:08 freakout: ok, I'll be interested if you can make ipkgservice 0.8.1-alpha hang, and whether you ever see any respawning messages in /var/log/messages. either means that I have failed. Sep 04 12:49:54 rwhitby: Alrighty then. Sep 04 12:50:06 and with that, I'm done for the night. Sep 04 12:50:12 * rwhitby bbt Sep 04 12:50:31 rwhitby: sleep tight, I'll ping you in the morning if I catch anything Sep 04 12:51:14 freakout: feel free to share the URLs for the alpha versions of 0.8.1 with anyone else in the channel, but via /msg (so it doesn't go in the public logs) Sep 04 12:51:33 No problemo Sep 04 13:22:34 hi guys, does anyone know what jar file has the com.palm.luna.service.LunaServiceThread namespace? Sep 04 13:25:53 found it :) Sep 04 14:30:26 http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=1868909 Post the day. Sep 04 14:30:33 of the** Sep 04 14:34:03 in the cloud? Sep 04 14:35:12 I wouldn't look into it too much, guys probably on crack. Sep 04 14:35:29 yeah... wow... Sep 04 14:35:43 that takes skillz Sep 04 14:36:04 rwhitby: don't you think you need to make it manditory to update the package manager service if avaliable.. Sep 04 14:36:19 like.. preware wont run without it. Sep 04 14:36:26 if you don't update. Sep 04 14:41:30 I'm poking around the palm apps at the moment. Can't see any sign of the actual launcher app. Am I missing something obvious? Sep 04 14:44:42 ConfusedVorlon_: what are you try to do? Sep 04 14:44:43 doh - closed page inadvertely. did anyone post an answer about the launcher app? Sep 04 14:45:04 decimation: just looking. Sep 04 14:45:42 you mean the launcher screen ? Sep 04 14:45:56 usr/lib/luna/system/luna-applauncher Sep 04 14:46:01 might be of some assistance :D Sep 04 14:48:27 ConfusedVorlon_: did that help? Sep 04 14:48:49 just navigating there now - but that looks like it is exactly what I was after - thanks Sep 04 14:53:52 wow - there's a surprising ammount of stuff in the launcher. like - why is the ringtone picker in there? Sep 04 15:09:46 Damn, I just saw the Zork app... and I was playing with Parchment for z-machine games just this week. beat me to it Sep 04 15:19:40 just tried my app on my device rather than the emulator, and the log doesn't seem to work any more. Am I missing something? Sep 04 15:19:55 e.g. log com.hobbyistsoftware.xxx gives the message log not found Sep 04 15:20:05 ConfusedVorlon_: Nope... the device doesn't log anything below the error level Sep 04 15:20:38 Hoping we'll get to tweak that setting eventually, but right now the device is set to hide anything not from Mojo.Log.error() at least Sep 04 15:21:07 how annoying. my app is behaving completely differently on the device Sep 04 15:21:52 Hmm.. I had that happening, though I was not clearing all the DBs and cookies I was using on the device. Not sure if that's your issue, though Sep 04 15:22:50 probably. I'll check on a hard reset emulator and see if I get the same thing Sep 04 15:23:18 Also, cookies persist between app removals and reinstalls :/ Sep 04 15:23:25 just to throw that out there Sep 04 15:35:47 hello Sep 04 15:59:45 back to the error thing - how do you get the errors that are logged? Sep 04 16:00:41 On the device, you can use novaterm to connect and then tail -f /var/log/messages Sep 04 16:00:56 Or I think putty on windows, but I've never tried it on win Sep 04 16:01:09 thx Sep 04 16:01:14 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1565 Sep 04 16:03:23 So my new hosting site / feed generator is working for the most part, so if there is anyone looking for place to create releases for their apps and get them in a feed let me know Sep 04 16:03:49 could use some "beta" testers Sep 04 16:12:39 anyone here a whizz with regular expressions? I'm looking for an expression to find javascript function declarations -and it's way beyond my regex skill Sep 04 16:13:12 planning to add something to my mojo helper so it will automatically wrap functions with try/catch/logerror if you choose debug mode Sep 04 16:13:28 is the pager nagger only for sms ? Sep 04 16:54:46 ConfusedVorlon_: grep function doesn't do it for you? Sep 04 17:16:35 Zuchmir2: i beleive i fixed those issues you mentioned in 0.0.3 of Sysfs Battery Service (yes i renamed it) Sep 04 17:16:58 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/201471-webos-1-2-already-out.html Sep 04 17:17:05 any verifications? Sep 04 17:18:02 its not on opensource.palm .com Sep 04 17:18:53 where are the doctor images? Sep 04 17:22:03 nice, i'll wait till its ota of course. Sep 04 17:22:22 I would love to be able to get a 1.2.0 doctor image early :D Sep 04 17:24:26 if anyone can download the latest doctor image from palm.com/rom, let us know if it's changed Sep 04 17:24:50 http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/3935/phoneprefs2009040912195.jpg Sep 04 17:24:53 data usage toggle Sep 04 17:25:24 Not sure what the point of that toggle is for... Sep 04 17:27:32 egaudet_work, I just ran update app didn't see anything Sep 04 17:28:17 psykoz it's not out over the air Sep 04 17:28:26 the 1.2.0 doctor image is supposedly out, not the OTA update Sep 04 17:28:58 So if anyone gets the doctor image, extract it and let me know if the framework changed from 191.15 Sep 04 17:32:02 im with Templarian on this... gonna wait for for it to show up on opensource.palm.com Sep 04 17:32:26 can't harm anything to poke around on the doctor Sep 04 17:32:39 I'm not updating my Pre with it but I want to see what they changed ahead of time Sep 04 17:32:46 i could care less Sep 04 17:32:52 all i want is the new kernel code Sep 04 17:33:02 Unless it's canvas stuff then I'm not really in a hurry. Sep 04 17:33:02 which wont be in the webos dr image Sep 04 17:33:18 Templarian: as in 2d canvas? Sep 04 17:33:22 They upgrade the kernel? Sep 04 17:33:23 i thought it already supported that Sep 04 17:33:35 PuffTheMagic: a really dumbed down version missing a lot of stuff. Sep 04 17:33:37 egaudet_work: geist alluded to there being a kernel update coming Sep 04 17:33:46 ooooooh Sep 04 17:33:48 Templarian: ah Sep 04 17:33:51 Templarian I wanna see webkit 4. Sep 04 17:34:09 and I want webkit CSS animation completion eventss to be supported. Sep 04 17:34:11 Templarian: you have any time for ledservice and sysfsbatteryservice icons? Sep 04 17:34:12 Yea, we were discussing it in #webos earlier... maybe next time. hehe. Sep 04 17:34:29 PuffTheMagic: oh yea i'll do that right now one sec. Sep 04 17:35:14 Templarian: only if you arent busy, it wasnt supposed to be a nag Sep 04 17:36:08 puff: will look at it Sep 04 17:37:11 PuffTheMagic: i'm not busy was mostly just messing around waiting for my hair cut appt in 3 hours. Sep 04 17:37:20 :D Sep 04 17:37:55 also upated the led one i'll make the battery one. Do you want it to be like a car battery a double a battery or one of those neo green ones? Sep 04 17:38:58 Templarian: lol car battery.... um just like a regular AA/C/D cell :D Sep 04 17:39:11 Sounds good. Sep 04 17:41:07 Templarian: i have to admit, the tiny designator icons look pretty nice Sep 04 17:41:12 esp with with ice blocks Sep 04 17:41:55 OK, I am an idiot Sep 04 17:42:04 I just noticed something. Sep 04 17:42:24 I just noticed that the new york times app was using a serif'ed font Sep 04 17:42:35 and so I did a search for TTF files.... Sep 04 17:42:45 there's a BUNCH of built in fonts. :-/ Sep 04 17:44:48 oil: ping Sep 04 17:45:39 oil -- one way to graphically distinguish Preware might be to do app descriptions and such in a serif'ed font instead of prelude. Sep 04 17:47:25 im getting an error from Preware now Sep 04 17:47:40 I've downloaded the latest palm.com/rom Sep 04 17:47:43 TypeError: Cannot call method 'toLowerCase; of undefined Sep 04 17:47:44 :D Sep 04 17:47:46 awesome Sep 04 17:47:49 is there anything I can check to verify if it's 1.2? Sep 04 17:48:44 Rick_work: did you get a chance to see my horrible coding? Sep 04 17:48:47 heh Sep 04 17:48:55 what does the device info say? Sep 04 17:49:08 puff: you are still doing: char value[len]; and g_convert(value,len-1,... Sep 04 17:49:22 err well, palm.com/rom still points to the same .jar file that webOS.tar was updated on 7-24.2009 Sep 04 17:49:37 so I dunno, I definitely don't think this is 1.2.0 Sep 04 17:49:39 Zuchmir2: i dont think im doing any more len-1 Sep 04 17:49:44 maybe i forgot a place though Sep 04 17:50:01 also not sure if char value[len]; guarantees null chars in there, value[j] = 0; at the end should ensure it's null terminated Sep 04 17:50:06 psykoz go into launcher and bring up device info Sep 04 17:50:10 it tells you the version Sep 04 17:50:24 rick_work, I didn't install it on my phone ;) Sep 04 17:50:26 line 53: g_convert(value,len-1 Sep 04 17:50:33 I just downloaded the jar web doctor Sep 04 17:50:43 Zuchmir2: damn forgot that spot Sep 04 17:50:43 :D Sep 04 17:50:47 jars NEVER areupdated before OTA isavailable Sep 04 17:50:48 allt he files in it have a last modified timestamp of 7-24 Sep 04 17:51:05 you could check the md5sum against the ones posted on the wiki Sep 04 17:51:17 egaudet_work above requested someone to verify if palm.com/rom is 1.2 Sep 04 17:51:23 only reason I downloaded it to see Sep 04 17:51:32 you can use j Sep 04 17:51:42 12:28 < egaudet_work> psykoz it's not out over the air Sep 04 17:51:42 12:28 < egaudet_work> the 1.2.0 doctor image is supposedly out, not the OTA update Sep 04 17:51:45 12:28 < egaudet_work> So if anyone gets the doctor image, extract it and let me know if the framework changed from 191.15 Sep 04 17:52:02 ahhhh Sep 04 17:53:11 Guest65886 not yet Sep 04 17:53:12 sorry Sep 04 17:53:15 been busy Sep 04 17:53:42 Puff: cool how you get the battery device, but not sure if "32-*" is the criteria, i'm also assuming such, but never know Sep 04 17:54:50 i look for /sys/bus/w1/devices/32- Sep 04 17:55:10 yes i am assuming it starts with 32- right now Sep 04 17:55:34 psykoz if you can check the md5sum of it to the known 1.1.0 Sep 04 17:55:39 guest Sep 04 17:55:40 hah Sep 04 17:55:55 my bad Sep 04 17:56:18 I don't have any md5 checksumming tools on this crappy win7 box at the moment Sep 04 17:57:21 okay found a quick app for doing that, but can you find me the md5 sum off of webos-internals or whatever? Sep 04 17:57:28 while I run this app Sep 04 17:57:53 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions Sep 04 17:58:27 i wonderif there is a way to get the pre serial number with out looking behind the batter Sep 04 17:58:28 674b1d22e1cbf07dac30c75805bf3825 Sep 04 17:58:47 well that's not a known doctor md5sum Sep 04 17:58:53 keep in mind though they use that stupid gay java webstart stuff Sep 04 17:58:59 so I had to manually dig through the cache to find the jar file Sep 04 17:59:09 java aws is nice :D Sep 04 17:59:12 its not stupid Sep 04 17:59:21 I like downloading raw files sorry Sep 04 17:59:37 so yes to me it's stupid, I don't need an auto start application for a java file Sep 04 18:00:01 palm isnt intending for the end user to run the jar directly Sep 04 18:00:19 that's all it does, it downloads a 200mb jar file and executes it with java Sep 04 18:00:25 what do you mean they're not intending for them to run it? :) Sep 04 18:00:56 and if you extract the rootfs image what is in usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/builtins Sep 04 18:01:31 I assume this in webOS.tar and some other .tar file within it, right? Sep 04 18:01:48 what would be the best way to store an object to a database? Sep 04 18:01:48 yea should be something like nova-cust-image....tar.gz within Sep 04 18:01:55 java aws is nice for people deploying java apps, they didnt want to support people trying to run it directly, since you are not using it for its intended purpose, you shouldnt complain you need to go though a few extra steps Sep 04 18:02:07 i'm adding them normally, but i can't view them using %j in the logs Sep 04 18:02:28 anyone know of a better way to keep the integrity of the object? Sep 04 18:02:30 puffthemagic, I'm not saying it's bad for deploying java apps, I'm saying they're obfuscating the step of "download and run this file" from the user Sep 04 18:02:35 which is retarded in this case Sep 04 18:02:44 not so retarded in the case of someone connecting ot a database back end app Sep 04 18:02:47 psykoz: retarded in the case of hacking? Sep 04 18:02:53 not retarded for fixing a pre Sep 04 18:02:53 No Sep 04 18:03:12 retarded in the case of making a user download a 200mb app that just needs to be ran like any other "download this file and run it" app Sep 04 18:03:15 how would providing the jar directly be of any use to most people Sep 04 18:03:23 simple Sep 04 18:03:24 download Sep 04 18:03:25 Run Sep 04 18:03:28 amazing Sep 04 18:03:50 not all systems allow you to "double click" a jar and just run it Sep 04 18:03:50 egaudet_work, what file do you want me to look at within builtins? Sep 04 18:03:59 do they have 191_15 in them Sep 04 18:04:07 and in the submissions directory is there only a 191.15/ directory Sep 04 18:04:16 191_15 is in there, yes Sep 04 18:04:22 psykoz: but you can hate on javaws all you want Sep 04 18:04:52 yea psykoz, i can't just run a jar by default in ubuntu Sep 04 18:05:31 so what are we looking at here with 191_15 and 191.15 in submissions? Sep 04 18:05:42 just to see if they updated the framework Sep 04 18:06:03 they may not have changed the 191.15 but most likely they would Sep 04 18:06:11 as originally suggested the modified timestamp on all of these files are 7-24-2009, and 7-18-2009 Sep 04 18:06:18 I am only guessing though, since they used to have 191.14 I think Sep 04 18:06:29 cool Sep 04 18:07:02 updating OTA (if that is indeed the image they will use) shouldn't effect the oskb in that case Sep 04 18:08:39 could you md5sum usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/builtins/palmInitFramework191_15.js for me? Sep 04 18:08:48 there's not a file, or sqlite db we can pilfer for a more accurate answer as to if this is really 1.2.0 ? Sep 04 18:08:56 clearly they have to have that version number stuck in some file Sep 04 18:10:13 puffthemagic, oh I will hate on javaws all I want, trust me I will ;) Sep 04 18:14:18 egaudet_work, one sec Sep 04 18:14:23 PuffTheMagic: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Icons something like this? Sep 04 18:15:22 egaudet_work, 0e5cbf40b9d2f9856600169cc690200e Sep 04 18:16:20 nice they didn't change it Sep 04 18:16:23 thanks Sep 04 18:22:57 anyone played with database access for anything in their apps? Sep 04 18:24:02 hmm Sep 04 18:24:12 so pimpmypre says he has an easy way to apply patches via preload Sep 04 18:24:50 HattCzech - I haven't, but my buddy Chris has (he released the Eve Online homebrew app)... what is your question, I can relay to him or ask him to jump in here. Sep 04 18:25:18 i'm trying to populate an array based on data from a SELECT statement... but it doesn't seem to populate Sep 04 18:25:21 lol, palm accidentally leaked 1.2 Sep 04 18:25:59 looks like it's running the function outside of where the transaction occurs, then not returning before i exit the function Sep 04 18:26:05 Deci - That's the rumor... been trying to get my hands on the WebOSDoctor JAR file that those folks would have had to have, to run it against the emulator Sep 04 18:26:06 Decimation: it turned out to be a leak? Sep 04 18:26:46 Templarian: says precentral.. Sep 04 18:26:46 http://www.precentral.net/webos-12-accidentally-leaked Sep 04 18:27:16 and this is no rumor Sep 04 18:27:22 those are full on updates. Sep 04 18:27:47 hahah, maybe i should update ;) Sep 04 18:28:08 I've been tracking the forum thread for the past hour, trying desperately to get someone with a clue to get the URL of that WebOS file Sep 04 18:28:11 its not out. Sep 04 18:28:24 HattCzech - just passed off your message to my buddy Sep 04 18:28:32 Bek: thanks Sep 04 18:28:34 Bek: it was up accidentally as the webos doctor download link for a short while Sep 04 18:29:34 Yeah, well if someone has the .jnlp file in their cache still, then we can crack it open and get the URL for the .jar file Sep 04 18:30:03 it was a leak. The url has been closed out and replaced with the unleaked one Sep 04 18:30:31 the ONLY source at this point would be a cross-load from go4craig or leathal Sep 04 18:30:34 *nods* Thanks for that confirmation Rick... only hope is that they have the full .JAR file then Sep 04 18:30:51 HattCzech: DeusInnomen: I tried a variety of ways to pack an array, the only way I got that actually worked was to keep a running index and do array[index++] = { key: value }; Sep 04 18:31:38 The app catalog keeps getting new apps Sep 04 18:31:40 i like this.. Sep 04 18:32:31 Bek: is your friend on this server? Sep 04 18:32:54 Hatt - no, I have him on IM... I will ask if he has a few minutes to join Sep 04 18:33:00 okay, cool, thanks Sep 04 18:34:28 HattCzech, he'll try and hop in, in the next 10-15 minutes (we're both at work) Sep 04 18:35:03 okay, i appreciate it, thanks Sep 04 18:42:20 * Templarian skipping out of work early today, bb in 25min. Sep 04 18:44:42 lol, my internet sucks Sep 04 18:45:13 HattCzech: Meet my buddy DeusInnomen :-) Sep 04 18:45:25 Already pinged 'im. ;) Sep 04 18:45:29 heh Sep 04 18:50:28 anyone here use xchat? Sep 04 18:50:47 ive used xchat before. irssi guy now Sep 04 18:51:14 how do i change my name? Sep 04 18:51:25 ./nick new nick Sep 04 18:51:34 tyh Sep 04 18:51:35 ty* Sep 04 18:52:01 thats standard irc though. in settings you can change your primary secondy nicks and name and stuff Sep 04 18:53:17 ~seen oil Sep 04 18:53:22 oil was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 10h 59m 27s ago, saying: 'lol'. Sep 04 18:54:07 hmm, looks like WebOS 1.2 is around the corner. *uninstalls keyboard patch* Sep 04 18:55:08 When 1.2 comes out I'll let everyone know how updating with kb patch installed goes Sep 04 18:55:41 shouldn't be any issues Sep 04 18:55:50 cool Sep 04 18:56:14 Inquiry: Anybody offhand know how to get to the child nodes of an XML Element object? .childNodes and .children don't seem to work so far. Sep 04 18:57:35 childElements? Sep 04 18:57:47 * DeusInnomen tries that. Sep 04 18:58:27 No dice. Sep 04 19:01:16 * DeusInnomen notes the subject finally and takes his question over to #webos. Sep 04 19:02:51 ok, this is driving me mad. My app works 100% on the emulator,but crashes on the device at this line: this.db.get("currencies", this.depotUserCurrenciesLoaded.bind(this), this.depotFail.bind(this)); Sep 04 19:03:22 I'm calling that in the success function for new Depot. the error is: (TypeError): "" Sep 04 19:03:27 any ideas? Sep 04 19:03:55 the error is (TypeError):? with nothing else Sep 04 19:04:35 exactly Sep 04 19:04:44 That's... weird. Sep 04 19:04:46 Error: EXCEPTION [CurrencyData.prototype.depotSuccess crash], (TypeError): "", file:///var/usr/palm/applications/com.hobbyistsoftware.units/index.html?mojoLocale=en_us&name=currency&window=card:0 Sep 04 19:05:25 DeusInnomen: do you know the name of the children? Sep 04 19:05:56 what does your onSuccess: look like Sep 04 19:06:21 CurrencyData.prototype.depotSuccess = function(){ Sep 04 19:06:21 try { Sep 04 19:06:21 Mojo.Log.error("Depot success "+Object.inspect(this.db)); Sep 04 19:06:21 Sep 04 19:06:21 this.db.get("currencies", this.depotUserCurrenciesLoaded.bind(this), this.depotFail.bind(this)); Sep 04 19:06:23 } Sep 04 19:06:25 catch (err) { Sep 04 19:06:25 use pastebin Sep 04 19:06:27 Mojo.Log.logException(err, "CurrencyData.prototype.depotSuccess crash"); Sep 04 19:06:29 } Sep 04 19:06:29 stop Sep 04 19:06:31 } Sep 04 19:06:33 oops- sorry Sep 04 19:06:53 ConfusedVorlon_: Technically, yes, but they're not the same for each of the children. It's much much cleaner for me to step through with an indexer than to check and see the tagname of each one. Sep 04 19:07:30 DeusInnomen: just that I have a helpful prototype extension for elementNamed() Sep 04 19:07:47 DeusInnomen: not what you are after though Sep 04 19:07:51 http://pastebin.com/d4dab2671 Sep 04 19:07:53 Aye, thank you though. Sep 04 19:08:12 where do you call depotSuccess Sep 04 19:08:57 it's the callback for new Mojo.Depot Sep 04 19:09:22 http://pastebin.com/d311f1337 Sep 04 19:13:09 any ideas? Sep 04 19:13:59 is everything within CurrencyData Sep 04 19:14:17 are the callbacks passed to db.get() Sep 04 19:14:55 yup - this whole thing is in my CurrencyData class Sep 04 19:15:04 not following your question about callbacks? Sep 04 19:15:35 remove the Mojo.Log.error() from try, to makes ure this.db.get() is erroring Sep 04 19:15:39 He asked if the two callbacks you're passing to db.get are within CurrencyData too, which I'm guessing is a Yes. Sep 04 19:15:48 thanks DeusInnomen Sep 04 19:15:59 oh - yes, the callbacks are within CurrencyData Sep 04 19:16:05 I'm used to translating from Developer to English. Developer to Other Developer is easy. ;) Sep 04 19:16:28 lol Sep 04 19:17:39 especially when I'm at work my statements/questions can get really cryptic Sep 04 19:18:28 and I get the error without the Mojo.Log.error (though I'm double checking now). The log was giving output and confirming that this.db is an object Sep 04 19:19:27 yup - same error without that log line. definitely erroring at this.db.get Sep 04 19:19:47 as I said - works 100% on the emulator! Sep 04 19:24:11 this.db = new depot(onsuccess)... when onsuccess is called it hasn't yet returned this.db Sep 04 19:24:22 thus this.db is nothing Sep 04 19:24:43 ? Sep 04 19:25:09 If I had to guess, it's be 'undefined' until onsuccess is executed. Sep 04 19:25:14 it'd, even Sep 04 19:25:39 hmm - interesting thought. Sep 04 19:26:01 i have the webOS 1.2 doctor. Sep 04 19:26:03 can't find the code - but I was copying the idea of loading data in the on-success from some other app (that does work) Sep 04 19:26:14 Decimation get me the md5sum on palmInitFramework191_15.js Sep 04 19:26:23 will try Sep 04 19:26:51 ConfusedVorlon_, if what I said is the case, since it's asynchronous it's not guaranteed to break. Could work a lot of time Sep 04 19:27:36 I think a Palm app actually does something similar wrong but it does a lot of stuff in between, delaying things and never seeing the error. But someone who tried to copy their model, didn't do all the extra stuff and so got caught up with something being called asynchronously too early Sep 04 19:27:37 it makes sense - thank you. Will try doing it differently Sep 04 19:28:38 if I set the nowLoadData on a timeout of 0 - will that definitely allow the creation to return before calling the nowLoadData ? Sep 04 19:28:49 Oh! Sep 04 19:29:01 Bek: how do install this to my emulator? Sep 04 19:29:04 No, you need to set this.db from within the onsuccess of new Mojo.Depot Sep 04 19:29:25 Or rather, don't use it anywhere until that success function has fired Sep 04 19:29:41 Deci - I'm not certain... struggling with that right now Sep 04 19:29:58 My current virtual machine still has WebOS 1.1 on it... trying to figure out how to create a new VM Sep 04 19:30:01 I think this.db can be used after the new returns, but the database isn't guaranteed to be opened/created until on success is called Sep 04 19:30:08 ConfusedVorlon_: So you can do this.db = new Mojo.Depot, but your program should pick up from the onsuccess Sep 04 19:30:11 Yeah Sep 04 19:30:22 lmorchard - that is what I'm doing Sep 04 19:30:24 Might work in the emulator because it's faster than the device in a lot of cases, but that's just a race condition then Sep 04 19:30:29 also this.db MIGHT not be set in onSuccess Sep 04 19:30:39 hmm. crud. thought I had something helpful there Sep 04 19:30:51 can I get the db from within the onSuccess? Sep 04 19:31:44 -it must be somewhere when it calls onSuccess! Sep 04 19:32:38 ConfusedVorlon_, do a sanity check and log this.db (rather than call this.db.get) Sep 04 19:32:50 log this.db.get if this.db exists Sep 04 19:33:06 calling object.inspect(this.db) returns an object Sep 04 19:34:09 remove things one by one from the this.get() call until your error message changes Sep 04 19:34:13 do you have linux access? Sep 04 19:34:30 getting stdout/stderr will tell you the issue right away Sep 04 19:34:59 what's up destinal1, see the leaked 1.2 doctor image? Sep 04 19:35:14 not sure what you mean by linux access. I can ssh in... Sep 04 19:35:39 yes that Sep 04 19:35:40 egaudet_work: no, I hadn't Sep 04 19:36:05 few people got a 1.2 8/30 build date doctor image earlier, palm closed it up though so it's back to 1.1 Sep 04 19:36:15 on precentral front page i think Sep 04 19:36:31 ConfusedVorlon_, stop LunaSysMgr && LunaSysMgr as root after ssh in Sep 04 19:36:36 after luna reboots Sep 04 19:36:57 run it and you should see a stderr message of what isn't defined Sep 04 19:37:09 so had they updated the jar file? Sep 04 19:37:17 yea Sep 04 19:37:32 there are screenshots of some minor changes, like ability to add CC data to app catalog linked to palm profile Sep 04 19:37:48 the guys with it can't find anything major yet Sep 04 19:37:52 at least not UI-wise Sep 04 19:38:05 egaudet_work: you're expected to put CC # information INTO the pre? Sep 04 19:38:18 apparently Sep 04 19:38:22 crazy Sep 04 19:38:24 destinal1: yes Sep 04 19:38:38 how else do you pay for app through app catalog Sep 04 19:38:55 they should have you add that info to your palm profile through some other means like apple does Sep 04 19:39:09 keep it inaccessible to the device entirely Sep 04 19:39:09 I would think they will allow that to Sep 04 19:39:29 The device could just get it and link it in the cloud and forget it Sep 04 19:39:31 that means a vulnerability can steal your cc#.. very not fun Sep 04 19:39:41 yea Sep 04 19:40:15 aww crap framework is up to 200_18 Sep 04 19:40:39 a bunch of apps updated today Sep 04 19:40:44 maybe preparing for 1.2? Sep 04 19:43:44 egaudet_work Sep 04 19:43:49 what md5 sum did you want Sep 04 19:44:25 Decimation, nm I guess that file is gone since they updated the framework from 191.15 to 200.18 Sep 04 19:44:32 ahh Sep 04 19:44:35 confirm you see /usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/submissions/200.18 Sep 04 19:45:25 bbl Sep 04 19:45:51 egaudet_work: could you talk me through stopping LunaSysMgr as root? Sep 04 19:46:07 I'm ssh'd in as normal user Sep 04 19:46:08 Templarian: that icon sorta lookes like a container of oooze from TMNT Sep 04 19:46:45 whats wrong with tmnt? Sep 04 19:47:13 oil: yo Sep 04 19:47:14 egaudet_work: http://screensnapr.com/u/ox0uji.png Sep 04 19:47:20 ConfusedVorlon_, do sudo -i Sep 04 19:47:22 oil: im getting a bad error with preware Sep 04 19:47:23 enter pw Sep 04 19:48:00 oh? Sep 04 19:48:01 Going to have to run a diff on the frameworks and hopefully have a working kb for 1.2 before the OTA Sep 04 19:48:11 good luck Sep 04 19:48:21 egaudet_work: ok Sep 04 19:48:25 can Decimation get you the framework 200 js file? Sep 04 19:48:42 Rick_work, I just dl'd 1.2 doctor Sep 04 19:48:53 I can just dl* Sep 04 19:49:05 from where? Sep 04 19:49:10 if not Decimation might be kind enough to run a diff for me Sep 04 19:49:11 Rick_work, egaudet_work: how do i flash my emulator to 1.2 Sep 04 19:49:16 oil: from preware Sep 04 19:49:21 but not till after work Sep 04 19:49:22 oil: my feed is breaking it somehow Sep 04 19:49:30 ConfusedVorlon_: stop LunaSysMgr && LunaSysMgr Sep 04 19:49:33 oil: error about toLowerCase Sep 04 19:49:39 egaudet what URL? Sep 04 19:49:40 luna should then reboot, and you get all stdout/stderr messages to terminal Sep 04 19:49:43 all i did was change an icon for a project Sep 04 19:49:48 and it went from working to broken Sep 04 19:49:56 huh Sep 04 19:50:00 and tolowercase is the problem? Sep 04 19:50:16 i will type the exact error as soon as i get it 1 sec Sep 04 19:50:21 Decimation you can NOT flash the emulator to 1.2 Sep 04 19:50:32 Rick_work: :O why not :P Sep 04 19:50:38 webOS 1.2: megaupload dot com /?d=3TH1CAKN Sep 04 19:50:38 the BINARY files in the doctar jar are compile for ARM not 8086 Sep 04 19:51:05 you'll have to wait for an sdk update. Sep 04 19:51:10 oil: OnInffo Error: TypeError: Cannot call method 'toLowerCase' of undefined Sep 04 19:51:41 YES, NASCAR APP WAS UPDATED! Sep 04 19:51:42 :P Sep 04 19:51:44 huh Sep 04 19:51:47 i wonder what is undefined Sep 04 19:51:48 egaudet_work: ok did that. Got loads of messages as the system booted. loaded my app, and get the same error info Sep 04 19:52:09 nothing more Confused? Sep 04 19:52:29 nope Sep 04 19:52:46 hmm, should i doctor my phone to 1.2 Sep 04 19:52:47 ? Sep 04 19:52:58 weird. I'd start stripping parts of your get() call until the message changes. e.g. change the callbacks to null etc... Sep 04 19:53:07 oil: haha Sep 04 19:53:10 i know what the issue is Sep 04 19:53:11 nm Sep 04 19:53:21 no name or category or something? Sep 04 19:53:31 yeah a category Sep 04 19:53:34 i mean, id still like to make it so it doesnt error Sep 04 19:53:36 got deselected Sep 04 19:53:59 oil: i dont fill out the Section field in my feed Sep 04 19:54:06 yeah Sep 04 19:54:07 since that info is in Source: Category Sep 04 19:54:13 as long as its in source category its ok Sep 04 19:54:15 and something caused the Category to go empty Sep 04 19:54:21 it looks into one place, then looks in the other Sep 04 19:54:37 egaudet_work: null on both callbacks and I get the same error Sep 04 19:55:10 Deci - I wouldn't recommend it, not unless you really want to risk a brick Sep 04 19:55:24 PuffTheMagic did you already change it? Sep 04 19:55:26 I'm still messing with the emulator, trying to "force" an upgrade using the .JAR, but that's not really working Sep 04 19:55:51 I had originally speculated that it would be trivial to get the emulator running against this JAR, but obviously I was wrong Sep 04 19:55:56 oil: well its a glitch in my website that is allowing something required to go unfilled Sep 04 19:56:03 lol Sep 04 19:56:22 Categories are a sub element of Types Sep 04 19:56:29 and the form only requires a category Sep 04 19:56:33 errr Sep 04 19:56:37 the form only requires a Type Sep 04 19:56:44 and the category can go empty Sep 04 19:56:46 Bek you can only update the Js. but the update includes updated binarys Sep 04 19:56:52 so i have to figure out how to make the category required Sep 04 19:56:52 you guys, i have a problem with my contacts, think anyone could help? Sep 04 19:56:53 and the binarys are compiled against the arm Sep 04 19:56:59 so how would that work exactly? Sep 04 19:57:00 Confused, this.db.get(); give you an error? Sep 04 19:57:02 same error? Sep 04 19:57:10 ok Sep 04 19:57:26 well, i've fixed the code to give an Unsorted category if one doesnt exist Sep 04 19:57:38 Bek: it should be easy as pie Sep 04 19:57:38 so, it will still work even if that gets broken Sep 04 19:57:53 egaudet_work: yes, same error Sep 04 19:58:19 Rick - I'm not certain... must admit I'm still new to this so I'm experimenting and exploring Sep 04 19:58:33 what about console.log("DB = " + this.db) Sep 04 19:58:36 even if I cannot get it operational, at least we can analyze the raw files, so it's not a total wasted effort Sep 04 19:58:57 that should log to the stdout Sep 04 19:59:55 Bek: how are you going about this "upgrade" Sep 04 20:00:19 Puff - by scouring how Sun VirtualBox really works ;-) Sep 04 20:00:21 Bek: extract the jar and then get the userland tar.gz and extract that into your emu userland Sep 04 20:00:39 Bek: you will need to change the boot device first Sep 04 20:00:40 DB = [object Object] Sep 04 20:00:42 to a livecd Sep 04 20:00:56 to do the extraction Sep 04 20:00:58 then you can change it back Sep 04 20:01:01 P - that was my thought, but since I'm not that intimately familar with VirtualBox's inner workings, yeah... I need to figure out how to get some of that operational first Sep 04 20:01:13 Bek: start virtualbox directly Sep 04 20:01:20 Bek: instead of using palm-emulator Sep 04 20:01:24 then u can change the boot image Sep 04 20:01:35 download a gentoo minimal live cd Sep 04 20:01:38 and boot that Sep 04 20:01:44 then mount the emu hd Sep 04 20:01:49 extract that tar Sep 04 20:01:50 sync Sep 04 20:01:51 umount Sep 04 20:01:52 yup, makes perfect sense Sep 04 20:01:53 reboot Sep 04 20:02:16 Bek: thats how i would do it if i were trying this Sep 04 20:02:52 *thumbs up* Thanks for the lead Puff - I had the process in my head conceptually, but wasn't certain how to go about actually dumping the contents of the file onto the VM image Sep 04 20:03:10 unfortunately, I only have another 20 more minutes before I have to haul ass out of here Sep 04 20:03:50 "Unfortunately"? Sep 04 20:03:54 heh Sep 04 20:03:59 so Sep 04 20:04:04 how many of you use the "advanced gestures"? Sep 04 20:04:12 egaudet_work: I'm going to go back to basics and see if I can just get a test running with Depot on the device. Something crazy going on here.... Sep 04 20:04:15 Bek: i will be around later if you need help Sep 04 20:04:31 egaudet_work: thanks for your help Sep 04 20:06:48 Awesome, thanks Puff... while poking in the SEttings on the VirtualBox app, I noticed that I can turn on the USB Controller... wonder if that'll allow me just to upgrade the emulator directly via running the em then the jar Sep 04 20:06:51 trying that now Sep 04 20:10:36 nope, cannot "fool" the emulator to connecting to Windows Sep 04 20:11:45 in webOS 1.2.. there seems to be a "block" feature added to the messaging app Sep 04 20:11:56 idk if its for instant messengers Sep 04 20:12:04 probably Sep 04 20:12:05 or for people SMS Sep 04 20:12:06 or for both. Sep 04 20:12:29 how do i run a diff on a bunch of files Sep 04 20:12:32 like, a whole folder Sep 04 20:14:19 diff -ruN Sep 04 20:14:41 (I think -r is all you really need, that's just what I use) Sep 04 20:20:18 webOS 1.2 seems to have done a lot of code cleaning up Sep 04 20:20:29 how so? Sep 04 20:20:41 just stuff like Sep 04 20:20:42 < var targetWindow = this.controller.window; Sep 04 20:20:42 < if (targetWindow.PalmSystem && targetWindow.PalmSystem.setWindowOrientation) { Sep 04 20:20:42 < this._orientation = Mojo.Controller.appController.getScreenOrientation(); Sep 04 20:20:42 < targetWindow.PalmSystem.setWindowOrientation(this._orientation); Sep 04 20:20:42 < } Sep 04 20:20:49 changed to Sep 04 20:20:50 > this._updateOrientation(); Sep 04 20:21:57 uhm Sep 04 20:22:09 i think 1.2 will support browser downloading? Sep 04 20:23:09 hah Sep 04 20:25:09 http://www.cheatzcity.com/page-assistant.js Sep 04 20:25:21 someone open that up a search for every reference of download Sep 04 20:25:23 its fun :D Sep 04 20:25:39 heh Sep 04 20:27:00 im tempted to update to 1.2 Sep 04 20:33:13 I have another question on the /var space limitation issue Sep 04 20:34:33 would it be possible or wise to symlink apps into a partition with space Sep 04 20:35:18 the partition with space is fat32 .. so you'd need to create a volume and mount in loopback Sep 04 20:35:46 Likewise for the emails and attachments directories. actually that sounds safer Sep 04 20:35:49 but when you try to mount the pre as a drive, that partition gets unmounted by the fs Sep 04 20:36:03 heh Sep 04 20:36:21 yeah, i for-sure think webOS 1.2 has browser downloading set up Sep 04 20:36:23 so if you have anything that wants to access that space, you need to never, ever put it into drive mode Sep 04 20:36:24 or media sync mode Sep 04 20:36:26 ew Sep 04 20:36:33 if you never do that - there are instructions on how to do that Sep 04 20:37:22 Decimation: To what capacity can you download? Sep 04 20:37:42 Grab anything and put it in /media/internal? Sep 04 20:37:45 if you want to be adventurous, you can use the lvm utilities to resize your var partition yourself Sep 04 20:37:51 and make it larger Sep 04 20:37:57 and remove from your internal storage Sep 04 20:39:19 I don't want to be adventurous on this one bc I know palm will solve this soon anyway Sep 04 20:43:13 thank you for letting me know the fundamental problem. This whole thing makes more sense now. Sep 04 20:43:53 no problemo Sep 04 20:45:47 have we gotten official confirmation that this is indeed 1.2? Sep 04 20:45:57 is it relatively easy to add different search engines to the webos ... er... universal search? Sep 04 20:46:44 if you know what you're doing, yes - it's easy to add different buttons to the universal search options Sep 04 20:47:17 you guys, i have a problem :/ Sep 04 20:47:20 what is "know what you're doing" ... I'm linux js and json savvy... Sep 04 20:47:43 decimation, what's your problem? Sep 04 20:48:27 jettero, http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Patch_Browser_Global_Search_Addons Sep 04 20:49:23 oh, that's no sweat, thanks Sep 04 20:50:10 psykoz Sep 04 20:50:10 well Sep 04 20:50:24 it wasnt letting me press next Sep 04 20:50:26 so i shut it off Sep 04 20:50:29 while connected to usb Sep 04 20:50:36 and held the up volume button Sep 04 20:50:38 as i turned on Sep 04 20:50:51 and it but into the usb mode or whatever its called Sep 04 20:50:59 but the next button didnt show Sep 04 20:51:03 let me try a computer restart. Sep 04 20:51:22 oh Sep 04 20:51:31 maybe try restarting webOS doctor first then restart your computer next Sep 04 20:52:10 bpadalino: forget resizing /var, format /media/internal as ext3 Sep 04 20:52:14 and mount it at /var Sep 04 20:52:15 :D Sep 04 20:52:30 PuffTheMagic, heh Sep 04 20:52:42 i dont use windows Sep 04 20:52:46 so i dont care about vfat support Sep 04 20:52:47 :D Sep 04 20:52:52 is that what you did ? Sep 04 20:53:07 Decimation: my webos doctor wouldnt restore today either. i never did get it to have the enxt button to appear, after restarting the doctor or restarting the comp. not sure what's up today =\ Sep 04 21:02:50 bpadalino: no i did the lvm resize Sep 04 21:02:57 took a gig away from media-internal Sep 04 21:03:05 gave a gig to /var Sep 04 21:03:07 v3ritas: got it to work, computer restart worked. Sep 04 21:05:28 ah Sep 04 21:07:47 anyone have a pre with a "bad esn" Sep 04 21:08:19 i heard ppl were selling them for cheap because sprint blocked them and i was interested in buying one for hacking / dv work. seems like a really nice platform. Sep 04 21:09:08 how much do they go for with a bad esn ? Sep 04 21:10:14 I've seen them on ebay. Some are likely stolen. Sep 04 21:13:23 MOST are likly stolen Sep 04 21:13:47 If the pre failed for warrenty reasons the person wuldn't be selling, they would be turnning in a warrenty claim Sep 04 21:14:17 If they simply abandoned their sprint contract and walked away, then sprint would block the esn for non-payment.... that's the only real technique other than theft Sep 04 21:20:52 looks like it will be a clean merge with the new framework for the kb Sep 04 21:23:42 oh good Sep 04 21:27:09 ooooh "clearSelection()" in browser adapter :) Sep 04 21:28:02 they implemented clipboard for the browser plugin it looks like, so they export some extra methods to javascript Sep 04 21:28:36 Rick_work: some could have bought them outright, but they couldn't sell for so little. Sep 04 21:29:12 I know someone who got an ESN unblocked by calling Sprint. YMMV Sep 04 21:29:45 (they were a sprint customer) Sep 04 21:30:02 (bought a pre on ebay and wanted to use it) Sep 04 21:30:29 I bought mine on eBay but made sure it had a good ESN. Sep 04 21:32:06 They added crotest application to /usr/palm/applications Sep 04 21:35:12 crotest?????? Sep 04 21:36:45 don't know what it does, but there are a lot of things in the app/views directory Sep 04 21:37:08 including accelerometer/ bunch of audio*/ backGesture/ Sep 04 21:38:21 Looks like a diagnostic tool for testing Sep 04 21:38:28 psykoz: the only confirmation that it's 1.2 is in the files on the image. it may be a release candidate or something Sep 04 21:39:02 whatever it is it has a build date of 8/30 Sep 04 21:39:13 so sure maybe it's not final but I think it's at least close Sep 04 21:45:51 morning. Sep 04 21:46:05 has anyone other than freakout tested Preware 0.8.1 alpha ? Sep 04 22:01:53 Package Manager Service 0.8.2 is released Sep 04 22:02:07 Major change is that the service startup has been completely revamped. Sep 04 22:02:37 Other visible change is that the PreYourMind feed has been added to the default set of feeds (see PreYourMind.org for details). Sep 04 22:03:08 There is no new release of Preware yet - it remains at 0.8.0 for the public, and 0.8.1 for alpha testers who build it from the source code repository. Sep 04 22:03:44 Preware 0.8.0, 0.8.1 and a future 0.8.2 all work with Package Manager Service 0.7.7, 0.7.8, 0.8.0, 0.8.1 and 0.8.2 Sep 04 22:04:16 (we specifically do this so that people don't have problems with the transition depending on which order they update the service and the application. Sep 04 22:05:42 Decimation: when dependencies are working in Preware, and dependencies will be automatically updated (after getting user consent) Sep 04 22:14:18 0.8.2 of ipkgservice? Sep 04 22:14:35 yep Sep 04 22:14:46 works fine with Preware 0.8.0 Sep 04 22:15:01 ok Sep 04 22:15:16 installed! Sep 04 22:15:22 maybe ill be done enough with 0.8.1 to push it out tonight Sep 04 22:15:22 oil_work: take a look at the new upstart script - major change in how we start the service Sep 04 22:18:15 johnstone: do you see the new feed? Sep 04 22:19:24 Yup Sep 04 22:19:29 works just fine Sep 04 22:20:28 and next on the list for ipkgservice, is flags, right? Sep 04 22:20:40 oil_work: yes Sep 04 22:20:57 are all the reset options in the service? Sep 04 22:21:02 * oil_work whip out that "hackerhelper" app idea Sep 04 22:21:40 with buttons to rescan, restart luna, restart services Sep 04 22:21:45 and thats it Sep 04 22:21:46 oil_work: yes, rescan, restartlunasysmgr, restartjavaserviceboot Sep 04 22:21:57 cool Sep 04 22:22:16 oil_work: and a new 'status' method which does nothing other than return 'true' (that is used in the upstart script) Sep 04 22:22:44 got it Sep 04 22:24:46 and after flags... Sep 04 22:24:57 a way to add/remove feeds? Sep 04 22:29:02 and (something that i believe was in the original spec for the feeds) a compatible webos versions Sep 04 22:30:13 (mostly for patches) Sep 04 22:33:25 but as far as preware 0.8.2 goes Sep 04 22:33:45 i just wanna finish it up so it uses the update feeds option Sep 04 22:34:04 then ill grey out the background app updating options or something Sep 04 22:34:44 ok Sep 04 22:34:56 http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=1870172 <- doco for Package Manager Service 0.8.2 upgrade Sep 04 23:15:55 rwhitby: the package service postint script contains the commands start/stop java-serviceboot, neither of which seem to be on my pre Sep 04 23:16:29 postinst* Sep 04 23:17:01 tlp: are you sure - they are in /sbin/... Sep 04 23:17:23 tlp: are you running this manually from the command line with sudo? did you forget to use sudo -i ? Sep 04 23:17:49 ah, I didn't. So it must not have been in my path Sep 04 23:17:50 rwhitby: initctl you mean? Sep 04 23:18:03 destinal: /sbin/stop and /sbin/start are symlinks to initctl Sep 04 23:18:07 ah Sep 04 23:18:38 I'll put in full paths in the next version to accomodate those who forget the -i switch on sudo ;-) Sep 04 23:18:46 :p Sep 04 23:19:19 tlp: you have /sbin/stop and /sbin/start, right? Sep 04 23:19:44 yeah Sep 04 23:19:52 I just assumed they weren't there because sh coughed Sep 04 23:20:28 pushed, it will be in the next version. Sep 04 23:20:46 cool Sep 04 23:23:03 * rwhitby bbl Sep 04 23:32:17 well that post on pc sure makes 1.2 look like a nice update Sep 04 23:33:54 oil_work: which one? Sep 04 23:34:31 email searching Sep 04 23:34:35 downloading images from the browser Sep 04 23:35:04 better location settings Sep 04 23:36:32 oh, maybe you meant which one as in which post Sep 04 23:36:37 right Sep 04 23:36:43 its right on the homepage Sep 04 23:36:45 the first one Sep 04 23:36:51 http://www.precentral.net/webos-12-accidentally-leaked Sep 05 00:00:27 Badonk Sep 05 00:02:04 hi folks - am back and fighting my stupid depot bug. I have a simple class which shows the error. Anyone got a moment to try this.testDb = new DepotClass() on a device? http://pastebin.com/d6b00d8bf Sep 05 00:02:45 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Doctor_version_1.2.0-0830 Sep 05 00:04:50 differences in this doctor jar Sep 05 00:13:46 appinfo.json now has: (for instance in the phone app) Sep 05 00:13:46 "keywords": ["Dial"] Sep 05 00:28:54 eeesssshhh: about 4 hrs of work to realise that I needed this.db.simpleGet( rather than this.db.get( Sep 05 00:39:17 destinal: i wonder what its for Sep 05 00:39:52 maybe for universal search? Sep 05 00:41:15 yeah I was thinking something like that Sep 05 00:41:23 hmmm, that's new. Preware 0.8.1 gives me an OnInfo Error on loading Sep 05 00:41:37 whats the error> Sep 05 00:41:39 TypeError: Cannot call method Sep 05 00:41:39 ? Sep 05 00:41:46 huh Sep 05 00:41:48 'toLowerCase' of undefined Sep 05 00:42:02 PuffTheMagic: more bugs in your feed? Sep 05 00:44:52 oil: more what? Sep 05 00:45:06 freakout was getting toLowerCase error Sep 05 00:45:08 there shouldnt be any error Sep 05 00:45:20 freakout: download the preware i just pushed Sep 05 00:45:56 all my feed entries have both TYpe and Category in Source Sep 05 00:46:08 huh Sep 05 00:46:08 look here http://preyourmind.org/services/feed/Packages Sep 05 00:46:11 if u dont beleive me Sep 05 00:46:33 not saying i dont believe you Sep 05 00:46:56 0.8.0 is working for me Sep 05 00:47:01 i will have to try .1 Sep 05 00:47:34 ow wait Sep 05 00:47:40 there is no .1 Sep 05 00:47:42 for preware Sep 05 00:47:57 freakout: preware 0.8.1 isnt released Sep 05 00:48:14 not released Sep 05 00:48:19 its in the repository as .1 Sep 05 00:48:21 thats what i said Sep 05 00:48:26 isnt released Sep 05 00:48:54 no Sep 05 00:48:59 it isn't. Sep 05 00:49:04 rwhitby asked me to alpha Sep 05 00:49:16 oil: that's the alpha build-it-yourself version Sep 05 00:49:24 i know Sep 05 00:49:33 idk what the issue is then Sep 05 00:49:38 freakout is alpha testing it, it's not a public release. Sep 05 00:49:46 cause i can visually see that my feed has type+category Sep 05 00:52:00 freakout: does it happen with what i just pushed? Sep 05 00:52:13 freakout: you got ipkgservice 0.8.2? Sep 05 00:52:25 .1? Sep 05 00:52:35 ipkservice 0.8.1, plugging in 0.8.2 now Sep 05 00:52:42 oh Sep 05 00:52:44 yeah Sep 05 00:52:50 wtf is plugging? Sep 05 00:52:57 lol Sep 05 00:53:00 Installing now. Sep 05 00:53:02 oh Sep 05 00:53:17 Forgive my crazy dialect. :P Sep 05 00:54:47 rwhitby: fyi, java has a way to seralize an object to a file... so you can store the state of the installer, incase you need to restart it for an upgrade Sep 05 00:54:58 rwhitby: the installer should be able to pick up from where it left off Sep 05 00:55:45 PuffTheMagic: are you referring to ipkgservice or preware ? Sep 05 00:55:55 well both really Sep 05 00:56:01 but the service more Sep 05 00:56:23 preware should be able to gracefully restart the service Sep 05 00:56:26 yep, still getting the same error Sep 05 00:56:46 huh Sep 05 00:56:49 ipkservice 0.8.2, preware 0.8.1 (from the testing feed) Sep 05 00:56:59 testing feed? Sep 05 00:57:05 you're not building from source? Sep 05 00:57:07 freakout: im not saying u dont get the error, but it makes no sense Sep 05 00:57:22 PuffTheMagic: I just report what I see, bub. Sep 05 00:57:38 and im just saying i cant think of a reason for the error Sep 05 00:57:47 oil: nope, rwhitby pointed me an ipkg for 0.8.1 alpha last night. Sep 05 00:58:01 freakout: i was getting that error when my feed didnt have a category Sep 05 00:58:04 but it does now Sep 05 00:58:08 I'll git + package the source if it helps Sep 05 00:58:08 so there should be no issue Sep 05 00:58:15 freakout: try that Sep 05 00:58:17 Is it a known issue that Preware sometimes just has the spinner forever and never fully loads? It seems to happen quite often even if I make sure it doesn't go to sleep before it completely loads. Sep 05 00:58:19 but i have an idea Sep 05 00:58:48 the information about category getting through to Preware should be invariant with respect to ipkservice versions. Sep 05 00:58:49 Hi, everyone. When I try to install the virtual-keyboard patch, org.webosinternals.virtual-keyboard.postinst is giving me a "mismatch md5sums" error message. Does anyone know what to do about that? Sep 05 00:59:09 BrianHH: yes, you need to restore the files it is modifying back to their pristine state. Sep 05 00:59:16 WillJitsu: yes, we know Sep 05 00:59:36 WillJitsu: are you using ipkgservice 0.8.2 ? Sep 05 01:04:03 oil: success Sep 05 01:04:08 Error is gone. Sep 05 01:04:20 so Sep 05 01:04:32 some other package is sending out a blank category Sep 05 01:06:56 PuffTheMagic: you might want to take a look at the upstart script in services/ipkgservice.git/upstart/.. Sep 05 01:07:04 PuffTheMagic: it fixes the respawning problem Sep 05 01:19:55 heh 1.2 laked Sep 05 01:19:58 +e Sep 05 01:23:49 oil: sorry I stepped away for a second. where can I check to see which version I'm usnig? Sep 05 01:26:10 1.2 leaked? Sep 05 01:26:13 hehe Sep 05 01:26:29 WillJitsu: Preware will tell you :-) Sep 05 01:26:45 WillJitsu: or ipkg -o /var list Sep 05 01:34:18 upgrading now :) Sep 05 01:37:19 you guys Sep 05 01:37:19 in webOS 1.2 Sep 05 01:37:19 we have a copy system in the browser Sep 05 01:37:19 like the iphones Sep 05 01:37:33 rumor says copy+paste Sep 05 01:37:47 its beast. Sep 05 01:38:15 this looks like a big update Sep 05 01:38:50 kinda suprised they did not just release it after the leak Sep 05 01:42:31 Do services for things like internalz or switcharoo need to be removed for whenever this "update" comes? Sep 05 01:43:02 I understand patches need to be but I wasn't sure about services Sep 05 01:48:20 GreedyB: probably not, but you might need to fix them after Sep 05 01:48:46 Decimation: How do you use it in the browser now? Sep 05 01:50:55 tharris: presumably it's not quite ready yet... Sep 05 01:54:06 i am seeing dates of August 30th, i am betting it is ready but the infrastructure isnt Sep 05 01:55:19 rwhitby: this 1.2 update is sweet :D Sep 05 01:56:20 yeah, the browser copy/paste is amazing. Sep 05 01:57:25 oh is it? Sep 05 01:57:39 how does it compare? Sep 05 01:59:40 i need it on my emu Sep 05 02:00:49 my guess is that you highlight like a square and it copies? or am I really off? Sep 05 02:04:24 why are they sitting on the release if the update is ready? Sep 05 02:04:53 jettero: They like to torture us? Sep 05 02:06:10 i am gonna guess it is an infrastrastucture thing Sep 05 02:06:33 one day i will spell like I am not dumb Sep 05 02:06:36 yeah. App Cat payments aren't meant to be rolling till October Sep 05 02:09:49 tharris-: copy and paste in the browser is so much nicer Sep 05 02:10:20 press the "shift" key which is the arrow up Sep 05 02:10:20 and click on something in the browser. Sep 05 02:10:44 Decimation: so Preware works fine in 1.2 ? Sep 05 02:11:20 then you can let go of shift Sep 05 02:11:20 and scroll Sep 05 02:11:20 then hold shift Sep 05 02:11:20 and click Sep 05 02:11:21 and it will connect the original copy Sep 05 02:11:49 and where you pressed Sep 05 02:11:49 its like the iphones Sep 05 02:12:03 oh, ok Sep 05 02:12:18 So it's the same as in the usability study I did Sep 05 02:15:07 What kind of study did you do? Sep 05 02:16:23 Just a "does this make sense? Would you change it?" sort of thing Sep 05 02:20:01 do you have control over the width of the copy ? Sep 05 02:22:06 anyone else having probs with preware recently? it seems to just hang for me. Sep 05 02:26:43 once in a while it seems like it sticks.. I just close and reopen and it seems to fix it Sep 05 02:28:01 jauderho: if you're using 0.8.2, and have rebooted, and have waited until your phone connection is back up, and have verified you have network connectivity by loading a web page at the same time, then please let me know what's happening. Sep 05 02:28:09 * rwhitby bbl Sep 05 02:28:27 hmm i'm on 0.8.9 Sep 05 02:28:30 drat Sep 05 02:28:33 0.8.0 Sep 05 02:28:35 i mean Sep 05 02:28:38 lemme upgrade Sep 05 02:31:31 okay luna-send rescan did not seem to do anything. Sep 05 02:31:34 rebooting Sep 05 02:39:22 35 seconds after typing pkill LunaSysMgr Sep 05 02:39:22 till its back up Sep 05 02:39:22 thats quicker Sep 05 02:39:22 freakout: no, this month. Sep 05 02:40:41 Decimation: lol. you're right. I can't even remember my own stories nowadays. http://tinyurl.com/mghuxz Sep 05 02:41:22 rwhitby: yeah Sep 05 02:41:22 rwhitby: everything is.. cleaned up Sep 05 02:41:51 all the files are smaller, its beautiful Sep 05 02:42:22 rwhitby: how do i create a diff Sep 05 02:49:22 rwhitby: there seems to be a new SystemManagerService? Sep 05 02:49:52 i see this change in the launcher-assistant Sep 05 02:49:52 < this.showQuickLaunch(true); Sep 05 02:49:52 < Sep 05 02:49:52 --- Sep 05 02:49:52 > SystemManagerService.showQuickLaunch(true); Sep 05 02:49:52 > Sep 05 02:50:52 interesting Sep 05 02:50:57 do you have a full diff yet ? Sep 05 02:51:04 destinal posted one Sep 05 02:51:10 oh, link ? Sep 05 02:52:11 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Doctor_version_1.2.0-0830 Sep 05 02:52:21 hrm .. that's just the file differences - but not the differences in the files ? Sep 05 02:52:28 yeah sorry Sep 05 02:52:36 it's ok Sep 05 02:52:38 rwhitby: seems to work now Sep 05 02:52:42 i havent even started with that yet Sep 05 02:53:03 the pre has d8 on it now ? Sep 05 02:53:14 d8? Sep 05 02:53:20 javascript debugger Sep 05 02:53:20 it has had it Sep 05 02:53:22 related to v8 Sep 05 02:53:33 been using it =p Sep 05 02:53:35 ah Sep 05 02:53:45 I wonder if v8 has been update Sep 05 02:53:46 d Sep 05 02:53:56 seems disturbing that sunspider will not run Sep 05 02:54:03 wow, i must have missed that in the 1.1 update Sep 05 02:54:06 (addition of d8) Sep 05 02:54:48 yeah its a little ugly but does hell Sep 05 02:54:50 help Sep 05 02:54:52 WHOA Sep 05 02:55:00 is bluez in 1.2? Sep 05 02:55:16 looks like all the PmBt* binaries got removed Sep 05 02:55:26 nah Sep 05 02:55:31 false alarm Sep 05 02:55:41 they just removed the bt debug tools Sep 05 02:55:43 BAH Sep 05 02:56:23 looks like different build of harmony/java though Sep 05 02:56:26 Only in 1.2.0-0830: /resources/webOS/nova-cust-image-castle.rootfs/usr/lib/luna/system/luna-systemui/app/controllers/apprevokedalert-assistant.js Sep 05 02:56:28 interesting Sep 05 02:56:52 Only in 1.2.0-0830: /resources/webOS/nova-cust-image-castle.rootfs/usr/lib/luna/system/luna-systemui/app/controllers/pubsubdashboard-assistant.js - rss reader ? Sep 05 02:56:59 has anyone tried plugging a usb keyboard into the pre? Sep 05 02:57:25 Only in 1.1.0: /resources/webOS/nova-cust-image-castle.rootfs/usr/lib/palmos/BSOD.rgba Sep 05 02:57:28 LOL Sep 05 02:57:34 no more BSOD for you Sep 05 02:58:29 evening all... was trying to install optware via optware-bootstrap.sh from gitorious and ran into an error early on in the script. Sep 05 02:58:46 Only in 1.1.0: /resources/webOS/nova-cust-image-castle.rootfs/usr/lib/palmos/BSOD.rgba - ooh, ooh!! Sep 05 02:58:47 ah damn Sep 05 02:58:48 Mounting /dev/hdb to /opt: ERROR: /dev/hdb does not exist Sep 05 02:58:49 yo beat me to it Sep 05 02:58:50 heh Sep 05 02:59:08 a lot of the controllers in the deviceinfo app were removed Sep 05 02:59:08 robo, did you make extra room in your emulator for it ? Sep 05 02:59:09 Anyone have a clue? Sep 05 02:59:18 This is on the real phone Sep 05 02:59:22 indeed it is not Sep 05 02:59:33 starting to look like a good idea to keep a copy of 1.1 around Sep 05 02:59:36 are you sure you're running as root@castle# ? Sep 05 02:59:44 Hmmm. Maybe not. Sep 05 02:59:53 Maybe I thought I was on the phone and I was on the emulator **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Sep 05 02:59:58 2009