**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 20 02:59:57 2009 Sep 20 03:35:44 how did it go kesne Sep 20 03:35:46 ? Sep 20 03:35:52 i joined, but you went offline like 3 times Sep 20 03:35:54 eh Sep 20 03:35:55 and i left Sep 20 03:36:04 Yeah Sep 20 03:36:11 I got a bad connection Sep 20 03:36:17 but overall, seppo was amazing Sep 20 03:36:37 * freakout is not rockclimbing for another hour it seems. friggin' lazy friends Sep 20 03:36:47 kesne: yes, seppo is cool Sep 20 04:05:23 kesne: yeah, seepo is really cool.. scored an add on xbox live :P Sep 20 04:05:59 So for these themes, do they include a boot logo that replaces the palm logo? Sep 20 04:06:07 some do Sep 20 04:06:32 Just the linux portion of it, or did you modify the bootloader binary too? Sep 20 04:06:38 just the images Sep 20 04:06:47 i dont think anything is messing with the binary Sep 20 04:06:59 so they see the palm logo, then it switches to the custom one Sep 20 04:07:04 ah, ok Sep 20 04:34:42 We must have a rep at a tv studio or something Sep 20 04:35:06 oh, emmys Sep 20 04:37:32 ? Sep 20 04:38:23 bpadalino: all the @palm tweets in the last couple of hours Sep 20 04:38:28 oh Sep 20 04:51:33 rwhitby: can we write an auto-make utility to take jason's zip feed of themes and auto-convert them into IPK themes? Sep 20 04:52:52 AnOutsider: I didn't notice the problem with the feed until dude said you said it was prewares fault Sep 20 04:52:59 and, i don't have your contact information Sep 20 04:53:10 ok Sep 20 04:54:54 AnOutsider: are you planning on putting md5sum checks into the postinst? Sep 20 04:55:29 no Sep 20 05:06:16 Hey Sep 20 05:07:38 ? Sep 20 05:19:04 ugh, seems Palm did not give us the whole webkit/webcore source, ../WebKit/palm/WebCoreSupport/SmartTextEngine.h is listed in Safari-3-2-branch/WebCore/WebCore.pro. But I can not find this file after patching Sep 20 05:20:41 yeah, i think we didn't Sep 20 05:20:54 * oil grabs pitchfork Sep 20 05:21:15 didn't release the v8 changs either. :) Sep 20 05:21:51 they fool us.... Sep 20 05:30:25 geist: are you employed by Palm? Sep 20 05:30:35 yep Sep 20 05:30:40 cool Sep 20 05:38:28 rick_home: I'm in contact with PreCentral and Jason to see what type of interoperability of theme distribution can be achieved. Sep 20 06:03:14 yes you can be homeless and on irc -.-; ever hear of a library or cellphone with internet Sep 20 06:03:22 god people :/ Sep 20 06:11:46 why palm does not use webkit ToT tree just like google's chromium does Sep 20 06:13:03 to protect their own stuff? Sep 20 09:04:37 good morning Sep 20 10:44:44 morning Sep 20 11:46:51 strangely, my dropbear stopped working after the PreWare install Sep 20 11:47:14 it always worked, before. Trying to find the config file for it on the Pre, now... Sep 20 11:59:15 FreeTim: you read the description of the Dropbear package, right? port 22, wifi only, keys only. Sep 20 12:05:22 Yep. It's ok. I did the manual reinstall using wget & config of dropbear, and it's back on SSH - port 222 working now Sep 20 12:07:27 It may have been a keys only problem, no worries now though. Thanks for your reply Sep 20 12:35:25 can anyone here help me set up a dyndns connection? Sep 20 12:35:38 i successfully can ping my ip address Sep 20 12:36:00 but cant figure out my putty settings to make a connection Sep 20 12:42:01 hello anyone whos there. anyone got this error in webos quick install? "no return code found in stream from file:///bin/sh Sep 20 12:42:10 i have a package which runs a postinst script Sep 20 12:42:17 the last line says "exit 0" Sep 20 12:52:45 greg_roll: no idea Sep 20 12:52:51 sounds like a communication problem Sep 20 12:53:15 yeah if I run webosqi from a command prompt it does say communication error Sep 20 13:07:26 who is ready to alpha test precentral themes installed via preware ? Sep 20 13:21:13 can anyone here help me with some putty settings Sep 20 13:21:29 to connect to a dyndns server Sep 20 13:47:04 rwhitby: I'll give it a whirl Sep 20 13:48:42 Preware testing feed page appears to have vanished Sep 20 13:50:29 Can someone point me to the code for the DFBAdapter? I cant seem to find it on the public internals git Sep 20 13:50:53 freakout: look in the precentral-themes public feed Sep 20 13:52:02 freakout: or just wait for an alpha test of ipkgservice 0.9.4 Sep 20 13:53:29 freakout: http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/all/ ipkgservice 0.9.4 Sep 20 13:53:39 rwhitby: you make it too easy :) Sep 20 13:53:45 install that and you should then get the PreCentral Theme feed Sep 20 13:54:19 make sure you have webos quick install 2.5 handy, so you can see that it recognises and can uninstall precentral themes installed with Preware Sep 20 13:55:05 righto Sep 20 13:56:37 huh. Sep 20 13:56:52 Installing 0.9.4 seems to have hung QI 2.5 Sep 20 13:57:00 That's a first. Sep 20 13:57:28 let me try that ... Sep 20 13:58:03 worked fine for me Sep 20 13:58:11 yeah, it's possibly my PC. Sep 20 13:58:15 trying again... Sep 20 13:59:46 Yep, went fine that time. Weird. Sep 20 14:02:13 freakout: so, does it work? Sep 20 14:02:21 Should Preware be automatically rebooting the Pre or Luna after theme install? Sep 20 14:02:40 zonyl: it's not public yet, at ameng's request. Sep 20 14:02:44 Installing the Halo 3 theme changed the wallpaper but not the icons or anything else. Sep 20 14:02:48 A reboot made it all appear. Sep 20 14:03:04 freakout: ah, I just added RestartLuna flags to the converter script Sep 20 14:03:22 and yep, the installed theme appears in QI 2.5 Sep 20 14:03:23 you could also have used LunaManager to do a Luna Restart Sep 20 14:03:34 and you can remove it in QI 2.5 ? Sep 20 14:03:47 yep Sep 20 14:04:05 so I'm good to release then? Sep 20 14:04:14 Reverts to default Palm after a luna restart Sep 20 14:04:17 But not the wallpaper Sep 20 14:04:32 I'd say so Sep 20 14:04:33 yeah, I got that wallpaper thing too Sep 20 14:05:25 So yep. All good! Sep 20 14:06:06 I'll continue to play, let you know if anything crops up. Sep 20 14:06:42 Do you have a strategy for eliminating dupe themes? Sep 20 14:07:28 not my job - just cause the title is the same doesn't mean it's the same thing. themes with the same package unique id are not duplicated. Sep 20 14:08:20 Hmmm. Perhaps an option to seperate the various theme feeds then? Sep 20 14:08:23 so as you drill down Sep 20 14:08:40 available themes ---> prethemer OR precentral ----> theme list Sep 20 14:10:01 * freakout wonders if oil is listening Sep 20 14:17:10 Preware's Package Manager Service 0.9.4 can now install both PreThemer.com and PreCentral.net themes: http://bit.ly/bR8KF Sep 20 14:57:54 hey Sep 20 14:58:37 is it possible to paste in the terminal application, shift sym v doesnt seem to work Sep 20 15:00:03 rwhitby: congrats on the package manager service. Sep 20 15:00:11 interoperability is what its all about :) Sep 20 15:00:58 Decimation: yep, even when it takes me about 4 hours today to write the script to make it happen ... Sep 20 15:02:50 rwhitby: bitter-sweet? Sep 20 15:02:52 I been looking through the forums and on the wiki, I cant find any info about copy and paste in the terminal application, is it possible? Sep 20 15:03:38 Decimation: well, I would have hoped by now that people would think about interoperability up front ... Sep 20 15:04:10 rwhitby: i agree that jason should've definetely talked to you. Sep 20 15:05:44 Decimation: he had his reasons not to - it gets complex when commercial interests are involved. I'm not upset with anyone for not talking, but I would have expected more thought to have gone into interoperability ... Sep 20 15:06:21 rwhitby: everyone thinks differently i guess. best solution is communication. Sep 20 15:08:55 sup guys Sep 20 15:08:58 PuffTheMagic: how goes it? Sep 20 15:08:59 just for clarification, there are no commercial interests here Sep 20 15:11:53 AnOutsider: nor here :-) Sep 20 15:15:25 any idea on how to set up a ssh tunnel port forward for prewin, I am using this command and cant seem to get it working ssh -L 7000:10.2.0.20:5000 joe@joesdydns.com Sep 20 15:15:58 the connection is established, and I can login Sep 20 15:16:30 but when I use the adress 127.0.0.1:7000 in prewin it fails Sep 20 15:29:17 sportman: tried out the new Package Manager with PreThemer.com and PreCentral.net themes yet? Sep 20 15:30:24 yessirf Sep 20 15:30:25 D Sep 20 15:30:42 didnt i test it before it was pushed live? Sep 20 15:30:49 or did u come out with another one?? Sep 20 15:30:51 sportman: not the new one. Sep 20 15:31:03 what did the last one only have precentral themes? Sep 20 15:31:09 cause the one i have installed now does themes.. Sep 20 15:31:23 sportman: PreThemer.com was first, PreCentral.net was second Sep 20 15:31:26 ah Sep 20 15:31:27 ok Sep 20 15:31:27 cool Sep 20 15:31:30 ill grab that in a bit Sep 20 15:31:33 brb Sep 20 15:48:18 well, my work here is done for the day. hope everyone enjoys the new theme support, although I think most if not all of the themes at PreCentral were already available in Preware via the PreThemer feed ;-) Sep 20 15:48:48 But Preware must live up to being the Universal Installer .. Sep 20 15:48:59 night all. Sep 20 15:49:03 * rwhitby bbt Sep 20 15:58:31 rwhitby: nice work, cya. Sep 20 17:10:55 does preware currently have a way to check webos version? Sep 20 17:22:03 AnOutsider: you can check that with the built in device-info app Sep 20 17:22:44 yes, but I was more worried about when webos 1.2 rolls out and people are installing themes built for 1.1 on a 1.2 device or vice-versa Sep 20 17:30:27 AnOutsider: talk to rod about it, it seems easy to add. Sep 20 17:32:53 would it be rod or oil actually Sep 20 18:06:06 hey guys, was wondering if anyone knew where the file that stores the order of the icons on your launcher? Sep 20 18:10:57 Decimation: probably in the main db. Sep 20 18:12:01 Templarian: where would that be located? Sep 20 18:12:15 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/PalmDatabase.db3_File Sep 20 18:12:37 100 tables... hehe, I think it's there. Sep 20 18:13:43 thank you :) Sep 20 18:18:12 Is there a command for typing into putty to take a screenshot of the pre? Sep 20 18:18:49 Pressing the sym key while in the contacts app will make it "go to top" so it will take the screenshot of the top of the contacts list. Sep 20 18:19:43 press orange and p first Sep 20 18:19:44 then sym Sep 20 18:19:49 maybe you'll get it? Sep 20 18:19:51 I did, still doesnt work Sep 20 18:20:05 is there anyway to copy and paste in the terminal? shift sym v doesnt work Sep 20 18:20:55 Joesmith: no. Sep 20 18:21:08 aww :( Sep 20 18:21:17 still awesome though Sep 20 18:21:21 but you can move around teh command line and bring up previous commands Sep 20 18:21:46 http://s35.photobucket.com/albums/d182/hardwick246/?action=view¤t=email_2009-20-09_141341.jpg Sep 20 18:21:52 how do I view the log of entered commands? Sep 20 18:22:24 sym p for previous Sep 20 18:22:41 i doubt history works Sep 20 18:22:47 pretty Abyssul :) Sep 20 18:22:57 thaks Sep 20 18:23:05 Thanks, its a big project to theme the WHOLE pre Sep 20 18:23:22 http://s35.photobucket.com/albums/d182/hardwick246/?action=view¤t=email_2009-20-09_141341.jpg Sep 20 18:23:47 could you guys please take a look at this post, this is really frustrating me Sep 20 18:23:49 http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=1906536&posted=1#post1906536 Sep 20 19:17:46 nice number of themes Sep 20 19:18:00 but how do we save the current theme to try out the new ones Sep 20 19:34:15 ugh... three slots on that little quickbar is not enough Sep 20 19:34:18 I need like seventy Sep 20 19:39:01 theres 4.. Sep 20 19:43:53 if you have a registered quick contacts it loads fast and there are links to contacts sms email and phone Sep 20 19:44:18 which were my 4 now quick contacts replaces those and I have 3 slots open Sep 20 19:45:40 ... Sep 20 20:38:00 http://www.precentral.net/webos-themes/uninstall-madolen-themes Sep 20 20:38:09 isnt that illegal to distribute? Sep 20 20:38:25 it includes a ton of palm graphics in the zip Sep 20 20:38:53 that phone and calendar icon... is that from an earlier build? Sep 20 20:39:31 that screenshot is old Sep 20 20:39:33 but the images in the zip Sep 20 20:39:34 are all palms Sep 20 20:39:51 oh so from an earlier buid... I kinda like the phone one Sep 20 20:40:29 the screenshot may be Sep 20 20:40:43 but the images in the zip are current Sep 20 20:42:40 I would think it is ok to keep it there unless Palm has a problem with it Sep 20 20:58:40 oh piss Sep 20 20:59:15 i did a restore on my phone yesterday and it looks like it didn't remove the tweaks that webos quick install enabled so i tried to via quick install and now my phone pref screen is blank Sep 20 20:59:39 o there we go Sep 20 21:00:53 http://forums.precentral.net/1906536-post433.html Sep 20 21:01:09 any ideas please? Sep 20 21:01:44 i like the image Sep 20 21:01:47 COMMAND CENTER Sep 20 21:01:59 yeah its the haf cool master Sep 20 21:02:10 most pimp case I have ever owned Sep 20 21:02:36 i like the brick wall too Sep 20 21:03:11 I hoped the picture would interest people Sep 20 21:03:35 but I havent got an answer :( Sep 20 21:03:51 you should post your iptables configuration too .. maybe that will help Sep 20 21:06:10 yah that might help Sep 20 21:06:26 but I dont know how Sep 20 21:06:32 that would help Sep 20 21:06:40 yeah i was never good with iptables Sep 20 21:06:47 lets try google Sep 20 21:07:06 hey look at this: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Iptables-Basic-Guide-35969.shtml Sep 20 21:07:20 iptables -L will print out the current configuration Sep 20 21:09:12 it is either a failure with the terminal not tunneling correctly (I doubt it), my command (I am pretty sure its right) or prevnc (very likely) or I am doing something wrong Sep 20 21:11:17 hrm Sep 20 21:11:31 trying the 4x4 icons on launcher page in webos quick install doesn't seem to work Sep 20 21:11:40 did anyone else notice a couple of DK's apps expired yesterday or today? Sep 20 21:11:59 did you restart luna? Sep 20 21:12:10 i did a orange+sym+r reboot Sep 20 21:12:35 did it auto restart after you applied the tweak Sep 20 21:12:42 nope Sep 20 21:12:53 just sat at the tweak screen saying please wait... for around 10 minutes Sep 20 21:12:55 do it again it is supposed to auto do it Sep 20 21:13:07 dev mode is enabled i can enable other tweaks Sep 20 21:13:08 and if not edit the files manually Sep 20 21:13:31 i'd rather keep it automated since 1.2 comes out this week Sep 20 21:13:42 yeah Sep 20 21:14:57 its a love/hate thing with updates, it takes a long time redo all my mods Sep 20 21:15:26 but I hope it spoofs the ipod again Sep 20 21:26:10 Can someone explan to me why you get an error when you download to many apps from palms app catalog? Sep 20 21:29:06 the programmers at palm put a check which fails and the error pops up Sep 20 21:32:00 or maybe the check passes .. and the error pops up Sep 20 21:32:23 I thought it was full because of the file size Sep 20 21:32:41 you think so ? Sep 20 21:32:59 thats what I thought the forums were on about Sep 20 21:33:24 hrmm .. can you be sure of that ? Sep 20 21:33:31 no idea Sep 20 21:33:41 oh Sep 20 21:33:46 but you can get the same message using filecoaster Sep 20 21:33:58 so thats what makes me think so Sep 20 21:34:15 that it's an actual filesystem issue ? Sep 20 21:34:15 and I am pretty sure thats why the ipk service was created Sep 20 21:34:34 for preware to get around that issue Sep 20 21:34:52 preware never has that issue Sep 20 21:35:22 I just wish, that you could dl palm apps from preware, or make the app catalog work like preware Sep 20 21:36:16 I may be entirely wrong Sep 20 21:36:31 thats why I was wanting clarification Sep 20 21:37:09 so i think palm programmers put a check in there ... Sep 20 21:37:09 ... Sep 20 21:37:39 then couldnt it be disabled? Sep 20 21:38:50 depends where the check is ... could be in a java service .. or in a binary Sep 20 21:39:23 if you install via preware, quick install or sdk tools, there is no problem. But if you use app cat or filecoaster you can get error Sep 20 21:39:52 does anyone have classic? Sep 20 21:40:15 good detective work .. so what are the differences ? preware uses it's own ipkg service.. quick install and sdk tools use novacom - right? Sep 20 21:40:26 I think so Sep 20 21:40:27 seems like filecoaster and app catalog use the same service provided by palm Sep 20 21:41:00 I would like to try to force the app cat use the ipkg service by webos internals Sep 20 21:46:50 the check is in the proprietary Palm binary called LunaSysMgr Sep 20 21:47:44 does filecoaster use lunasysmgr too? Sep 20 21:47:59 Joesmith: there is no public ipkg feed available for the app catalog, so ipkgervice can't get to it. Sep 20 21:48:16 Joesmith: yes, it uses the Palm API which is implemented in LunaSysMgr. Sep 20 21:48:52 Ok I understand thanks rwhitby Sep 20 21:49:22 so what is the current work around, it palm doesnt change it in 1.2? Sep 20 21:50:09 I read about moving the apps to a different directory, and linking them Sep 20 21:50:26 but some wont work if you do that Sep 20 21:52:09 and then you could always download your limit, copy them to your harddrive, delete them download the rest and manully put the apps back on your pre Sep 20 21:52:21 that is alot of trouble though Sep 20 22:08:01 rod's back eh Sep 20 22:08:03 how goes it Sep 20 22:08:41 AnOutsider: goes well - no major problems with Preware reported overnight, so that's always a good start to the day :-) Sep 20 22:08:59 haha I always hate releasing something right before bed Sep 20 22:09:16 you're usually tired and out of it so you might make a mistake, and you know it'll be 7-8 hours before you can get to it Sep 20 22:09:22 made that mistake witha website once :( Sep 20 22:09:47 AnOutsider: that's why I stayed up to 1:30am after releasing at quarter to midnight. Sep 20 22:10:06 there were a few small "issues" that I fixed before anyone noticed ;-) Sep 20 22:11:55 haha, "ninja edits" as I call them Sep 20 22:13:02 did you see my question from earlier rod? Does PreWare take into account OS version? i.e. if an app is marked for 1.2 and the user is on 1.1 then a notice is displayed or its not allowed to install? Sep 20 22:13:32 Shouldn't be a HUGE issue with WebOS since they force updates after a while, but there's still that window where you know someone will unintentionally eff something up and blame the developers Sep 20 22:14:06 preware knows nothing of the webos version right now Sep 20 22:14:37 gotcha Sep 20 22:14:56 jhttp://forums.precentral.net/general-webos-chat/204059-my-preware-will-not-work.html oil help aunt minnie Sep 20 22:15:46 i dont check that forum at precentral Sep 20 22:15:53 lol Sep 20 22:15:55 preware is doing its job Sep 20 22:16:00 telling him exactly whats wrong Sep 20 22:16:00 how do we save the current theme to try out the new ones safely? Sep 20 22:16:22 he is too n00btastic to know how ot fix it Sep 20 22:16:26 to* Sep 20 22:16:33 heh Sep 20 22:16:46 Robi_: you don't. From preware you'll have to uninstall current, install new Sep 20 22:17:06 if you're using webos quick install. I think it takes care of rollbacks for you. Not sure, haven't used the new one Sep 20 22:17:56 Quick Install is God's gift to man Sep 20 22:18:37 hmm so custom stuff needs a theme saver Sep 20 22:19:16 http://s35.photobucket.com/albums/d182/hardwick246/?action=view¤t=email_2009-20-09_141341.jpg Sep 20 22:19:18 I'm not sure if that's a question or a statement -- what custom stuff btw? Sep 20 22:19:21 What do you guys think?^ Sep 20 22:19:36 AnOutsider: re webos version Sep 20 22:19:39 you found it abyssul Sep 20 22:19:46 if you use md5sums to check files before replacing them Sep 20 22:19:58 it will work in every version those files arent changed by palm Sep 20 22:20:23 i've modded a bunch of theme type stuff since i got the pre, all bits n pieces Sep 20 22:20:32 not exactly the ideal solution though. I was in no way insinuating you guys should do that, was jsut checking on whether or not its currently done Sep 20 22:22:35 Yep eGuy, plan on theming the whole pre. Been working soo much lol. Its a huge project. Sep 20 22:25:19 Eh, themes Sep 20 22:38:19 AnOutsider: yeah, still thinking on the whole one-theme-at-a-time question, and how to do webos versioning. Adding md5sums seems to be the safest way to ensure things are as they should be, and I could probably add that in the conversion step from xml to ipkg. Sep 20 22:39:32 There needs to be a easier way to compile themes into zip/xml Sep 20 22:43:39 Abyssul: there is, prethemer.com Sep 20 22:49:25 rwhitby: if only palm used one ipkg catalog for everything, we could move to it and use depends on a specific version of a specific base package Sep 20 22:49:46 then there would be no versioning issues at all Sep 20 22:50:56 having the / vs /var ipkg libraries creates... issues with that approach Sep 20 22:54:24 Has anyone figured out how to add a custom XMPP server to the IM client? Is anyone working on that? Sep 20 22:55:16 * rwhitby bbl Sep 20 23:01:48 wsup everyone Sep 20 23:04:38 lol Sep 20 23:04:52 greg_roll: You just missed someone you could've made happy Sep 20 23:05:11 freakout: yeah? Sep 20 23:05:26 Bouquet> Has anyone figured out how to add a custom XMPP server to the IM client? Is anyone working on that? Sep 20 23:05:41 (you were working on that, weren't you? Sep 20 23:06:38 cool, yep sure am. Its being tested, i'm alot further along with it working on the Pre than last time. But now the IM clients aren't logging on Sep 20 23:06:49 lol Sep 20 23:07:33 Godspeed, greg_roll Sep 20 23:07:41 freakout: if only they would bring out the GSM phone.... Sep 20 23:07:48 argh, I know Sep 20 23:08:02 And now we find out they might not even be planning to offer an unlocked one *at all* Sep 20 23:09:12 freakout: really??? noooo!!! I want my Pre Sep 20 23:09:25 http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/9904/unlocked-gsm-palm-pre-retailers-facing-legal-action/ Sep 20 23:09:41 * freakout wonders if he'll ever get into trouble for plugging his own stories ;p Sep 20 23:10:34 you do it so often it is hard to ;) Sep 20 23:10:50 greg_roll: is it so much different between pre and emulator really? Sep 20 23:11:20 greg_roll: someone will sell unlocked versions, even if palm does not. no worries on that score. Sep 20 23:11:26 Eguy: lol Sep 20 23:11:31 destinal: its a little different. The main issue on the emu is you can't even log in to Gtalk. Sep 20 23:11:42 greg_roll: really? Sep 20 23:11:45 the error it gives I also get when trying to log in with my msn plugins Sep 20 23:11:51 so i don't know if it works or not Sep 20 23:12:09 destinal: unlocked versions will be sold, or a hack at least made... but it's still annoying there's likely going to be no "official" way to get one. Sep 20 23:12:23 i get the following error "gnutls: Handshake failed. Error ASN1 parser: Error in DER parsing." Sep 20 23:12:28 its almost like a cert issue Sep 20 23:12:37 yeah, that IS a cert issue Sep 20 23:12:52 or one with the parser that handles it rather Sep 20 23:13:44 destinal: any more thoughts? I know its nothing to do with a cert that shows up in the certificates app. Sep 20 23:14:00 i have also copied the SSH folder over from the webos doctor to the emu with no luck Sep 20 23:14:06 nothing to do with ssh either Sep 20 23:14:08 ssl / tls Sep 20 23:14:12 freakout: nooo hopefully there will be a nice unlocked phone Sep 20 23:14:34 pidgin makes a secure connection via ssl/tls Sep 20 23:14:39 destinal: thanks, any thoughts on where that might be hidden in the OS? Sep 20 23:15:01 * destinal goes to check it out Sep 20 23:15:15 * freakout nods at greg_roll Sep 20 23:15:28 Palm have offered unlocked versions of every other GSM phone they've ever sold. Sep 20 23:15:41 I really hope they're not changing their strategy. Sep 20 23:19:23 i hope so tooo. Was really hoping mobicity would get them in Sep 20 23:26:46 destinal: sorry it was the \etc\ssl folder I replaced from the webosdoctor.jar Sep 20 23:28:13 aha Sep 20 23:30:35 freakout: its just that O2 has exclusivity Sep 20 23:30:37 or whatever Sep 20 23:34:59 atlanta: the question is what's going to happen to unofficially unlocked O2 Pres with OTA webOS updates? Sep 20 23:35:56 freakout: why is that a question? Sep 20 23:36:08 well, i could be wrong Sep 20 23:36:13 (try not to be shocked! :p) Sep 20 23:36:15 updates use the internet Sep 20 23:36:32 But didn't Apple's updates re-lock O2 iphones at first? Sep 20 23:36:46 Just wondering if the same thing will happen with SIM-locked Pres Sep 20 23:36:50 freakout: I highly doubt it Sep 20 23:37:37 and at any rate, if so, it'll be easy to lock out updates to specific packages Sep 20 23:37:49 or lock out baseband updates Sep 20 23:38:05 destinal: indeed. I'm quite sure the wonderful community here will be on top of it, if no one else is. Sep 20 23:38:32 destinal: But I'm still somewhat frustrated. (If you couldn't tell ;) ) Sep 20 23:39:03 just hoping we never get into a cat and mouse game here, palm's different enough in their attitude that I doubt we will Sep 20 23:39:13 not another apple by a long shot Sep 20 23:39:34 Heh. It'd be hard for anyone to top Apple in the anti-consumer stakes Sep 20 23:40:00 I only bought one apple product ever, a first gen iphone Sep 20 23:40:21 and I don't plan on buying another product from them based on what they did there Sep 20 23:40:47 Were you one of the poor folks who got fleeced with the original (outrageous) price? Sep 20 23:41:09 no, I got one after it dropped. Sep 20 23:41:43 it was too expensive for me to justify buying, originally. Sep 20 23:41:57 and I don't think they were fleeced Sep 20 23:42:15 * freakout raises eyebrow Sep 20 23:42:51 to me all the anger about a company dropping their prices is ridiculous. if it wasn't worth that price originally, don't buy it at that price. prices in technology drop all the time Sep 20 23:43:15 nobody got fleeced Sep 20 23:43:33 This is true. Folks who bought a locked $600 2G phone with no third-party support had no-one but themselves to blame. Sep 20 23:43:49 Bad terminology on my part. But you'd still have to imagine it rankled a bit. Sep 20 23:43:54 and I bought mine on pay as you go gophone, so no contract Sep 20 23:44:11 and people came out with the tools to unlock it once the holes were found to enable that Sep 20 23:45:06 also I was involved in the 3rd party toolchain stuff and building apps for the phone way before apple decided to support that. again, who cares, it's my device, I'll do what I want to with it Sep 20 23:45:23 no idea why people feel that they have some kind of restriction to use things as they were intended to be used Sep 20 23:45:44 apple say - people do. Sep 20 23:45:47 Well, for technically-inclined people like us that is indeed the case. Sep 20 23:46:00 But the vast majority of consumers, by and large, do as they're told Sep 20 23:46:21 freakout: well, more like they only buy something to use as designed. like I don't buy a car and swap engines, but other people do Sep 20 23:47:04 but most people probably don't break out their soldering iron when an electronic device breaks, and I do. so yeah, it just depends on skill and inclination Sep 20 23:47:57 (^ or to add capabilities to it, for that matter) Sep 20 23:48:02 Yep. So really (going back to the topic at hand) while I'm sure that it will prove relatively easy to SIM-unlock the GSM Pre Sep 20 23:48:05 but you certainly should have the right in either case Sep 20 23:48:14 I would much rather prefer it didn't have to be done unofficially Sep 20 23:48:21 It's nice to have some kind of certainty, y'know Sep 20 23:48:23 ? Sep 20 23:48:37 yeah, hopefully palm will sell an unlocked version Sep 20 23:48:59 or some carrier will and you can get it from them without contract and use it however Sep 20 23:49:25 That's what I hope O2 will do, although their track record with the original iPhone launch didn't exactly inspire confidence Sep 20 23:49:42 iphone already stinks Sep 20 23:49:48 Bottom line is that I'll be buying a GSM Pre from *someone* as soon as it hits the market Sep 20 23:49:50 I had a dream, THAT ONE DAY the pre will be sold unlocked! Sep 20 23:49:59 well Apple had a deal where they got a cut per month, so they were disinclined to support unlocked devices Sep 20 23:50:03 That will stay a dream Sep 20 23:50:16 Eguy: nah, even if it's ebay Sep 20 23:50:23 it'll be sold unlocked somewhere Sep 20 23:50:59 Decimation: Be careful, you know what happened to the guy who uttered those famous, revolutionary words ;) Sep 20 23:51:14 :P Sep 21 00:07:45