**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Sep 22 02:59:57 2009 Sep 22 03:00:26 is it going to just do a special remove (everything from normal remove except ignore restart flags) and then normal install? Sep 22 03:01:09 or are all "advanced" homebrew currently update-disabled Sep 22 03:20:04 egaudet: right now its just remove then reinstall Sep 22 03:20:26 patches and themes are both that way Sep 22 03:20:36 all apps and "advanced" apps support upgrades Sep 22 03:20:56 Why don't patches and themes have an update option Sep 22 03:21:19 I was just curious if there was an underlying issue preventing it Sep 22 03:23:49 hey guys can i get help with the virtual keyboard ? Sep 22 03:23:49 i think the only reason is lack of knowledge of what happens if a newer version tried to install over an already installed version Sep 22 03:24:45 so "update" is just install ? Sep 22 03:24:53 right Sep 22 03:24:57 JaSonx, yea ask away Sep 22 03:25:04 update should be like remove then install no? Sep 22 03:25:07 i tried to uninstall with webosquickinstall and it hung up on me Sep 22 03:25:13 i wonder what uses more battery ssh to my shell or irssi and bitlbee running native Sep 22 03:25:18 now when i try to reinstall this is what i get Sep 22 03:25:21 http://forums.precentral.net/attachments/web-os-development/31803d1253588834-screen-keyboard-bugs-functionality-enhancements-capture.jpg Sep 22 03:25:22 AnOutsider: not for everything else Sep 22 03:25:36 if an app was removed then installed for an update Sep 22 03:25:37 I know it's getting annoying going through debug sesions with people who say a theme didnt work, and then it turns out THEY did something wrong (usually NOT uninstalling a previous theme before installing a new one) Sep 22 03:25:43 it would lose all databases/etc from the previous version Sep 22 03:25:55 true Sep 22 03:26:03 I don't know what is going wrong with the uninstalls from quick install, but you have to follow a restoration procedure now to get back to the stock files Sep 22 03:26:21 is that to me? Sep 22 03:26:23 any links? Sep 22 03:26:28 to me im sure Sep 22 03:26:34 I use Preware to test all the keyboard development, so I'm not sure what QuickInstall is doing to support it Sep 22 03:26:42 ohh, my bad Sep 22 03:27:04 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/198051-screen-keyboard-bugs-functionality-enhancements-68.html#post1910190 Sep 22 03:27:50 Why does Preware always only give me the option to "remove" Virtual Keyboard? Instead of giving me the option to "Update"? Sep 22 03:27:53 AnOutsider, I think you should change the postinst to refuse installation when md5sums aren't stock Sep 22 03:28:05 and then users would be forced to uninstall before installing another theme Sep 22 03:28:19 DeCiBeL: did you just ignore everyhing that was just said? Sep 22 03:28:23 lol Sep 22 03:28:26 no, I was sleeping Sep 22 03:28:34 I just woke up and ran Preware Sep 22 03:28:36 i mean, its still on the screen even Sep 22 03:28:38 didn't even read Sep 22 03:28:41 LOL Sep 22 03:28:42 let me read Sep 22 03:30:08 ok, makes sense.. So why not add that "update" option to "remove/add"? Sep 22 03:30:36 were do apps get installed too if not in /usr/palm/applications Sep 22 03:30:43 /var/usr/palm/applications Sep 22 03:30:47 because... it takes longer to code? Sep 22 03:30:52 lol Sep 22 03:30:54 "/var/usr/palm/applications" Sep 22 03:30:56 lol Sep 22 03:31:02 ok, ty Sep 22 03:31:09 only apps in /usr/palm/applications are stock apps that come with WebOS Sep 22 03:31:11 Blah.. make it easier for me as the end user. Sep 22 03:31:25 eventually Sep 22 03:31:35 one step at a time Sep 22 03:32:09 there are stock apps in /var/usr/palm/applications Sep 22 03:32:11 as well Sep 22 03:32:24 I think I'm going to write some generic postinst/prerm scripts for patches Sep 22 03:32:56 Use quilt on a per package basis and disallow multi-package patches Sep 22 03:33:31 WHy use patches at all? Just force Palm to include all our options in a settings app. Sep 22 03:33:40 Seems more logical. :D Sep 22 03:34:08 lol Sep 22 03:34:43 egaudet: good idea, but how would I go about it? which file should I check against? It's hard to say since each theme may change different files. Plus some people like to make their own image tweaks and then install a theme Sep 22 03:35:09 "remove"....wait... "ok".... wait...."ok" to restart luna... wait... Sep 22 03:35:12 Well just check every md5sum of all the files a theme wants to replace Sep 22 03:35:36 if ANY of them mismatch, do an ipkg -o /var remove on the ipk trying to install and exit 1 Sep 22 03:35:57 so if 2 themes by chance touched completely different files, then they would be compatible and allowed to install at the same time Sep 22 03:36:00 egaudet's got a good point Sep 22 03:36:39 ok, but then I'd have to calculate the md5sum of each default file Sep 22 03:36:48 and store that somewhere, then add it to the postinst Sep 22 03:36:51 Or you could create a "theming standard" that all themes would install a state file in a particular location Sep 22 03:36:58 a bit clumsy IMO and prone to breaking Sep 22 03:37:10 that's more like it.. however, will folks follow? Sep 22 03:37:16 jason is pretty set on his theme.xml format Sep 22 03:37:17 well you could do a little assuming if you don't have the md5sums Sep 22 03:37:30 Sure.. "If you don't do it, your theme won't install via Preware, Quickinstall, etc" Sep 22 03:37:33 i don't want to get into THAT Sep 22 03:37:38 make the installer check for that file. Sep 22 03:37:45 but you currently make backups right AnOutsider ? Sep 22 03:38:46 of the default theme? Sep 22 03:38:52 I have my own eprsonal backup yeah Sep 22 03:39:06 No, do you make backups of the files a theme installs over Sep 22 03:39:07 I think having a statefile somewhere is a good idea Sep 22 03:39:10 I mean your postinst creates a .bak if one doesn't exist right? Sep 22 03:39:14 oh, yes Sep 22 03:39:14 I think that is what egaudet was asking Sep 22 03:39:27 so if .bak does exist that could be analogous to mismatch md5sum Sep 22 03:40:02 so your postinst would say if any of these files have a .bak, then ipkg -o /var remove and exit 1 Sep 22 03:40:20 they would be forced to run the remove (assuming prerm then mv .bak ) Sep 22 03:41:13 yeah, that makes sense Sep 22 03:41:17 can you name me one example file in a theme? Sep 22 03:41:18 what does that throw back to the app? Sep 22 03:41:18 However, a statefile could be used in a further application to "tell X app what theme is insatlled" Sep 22 03:41:19 error 1? Sep 22 03:42:04 because the statefile could be an xml or something that has the name, date installed, version, etc. Sep 22 03:42:06 I think it returns 1 back to the app yea, and then preware for instance will just report error with postinst and the IPKG log can be checked for stdout Sep 22 03:42:14 similiar to the xml of the theme Sep 22 03:42:29 so you can do an echo "$file seems to already be installed by another theme! aborting..." Sep 22 03:42:31 whatever you put after the 'exit' is what is returned to teh app Sep 22 03:42:38 exit 5 would return "5" Sep 22 03:42:55 statefiles aren't necessary Sep 22 03:43:04 ipkg info tells you what is installed Sep 22 03:43:06 ohh ok, that makes sense Sep 22 03:43:16 I may just build that in... would save myself the hassly Sep 22 03:43:28 Right, but you would have to know what the name of the ipkg that was installed was Sep 22 03:43:38 hmm what filesystem is on the pre? Sep 22 03:43:40 DeCiBeL, can be parsed by type Sep 22 03:43:55 is it fat? Sep 22 03:43:59 punzada-m seriously? Sep 22 03:44:08 id assume it is for usb Sep 22 03:44:16 lolol Sep 22 03:44:21 fat for /media/internal skinny for /var Sep 22 03:44:22 lol i never thought about it before Sep 22 03:44:37 just popped in there Sep 22 03:46:14 OK so here's my idea for patching now, poke some holes in the design. Help me think of where this can and will go wrong Sep 22 03:46:49 I want to create postinst/prerm generic scripts that will take a .patch file and do the following: Sep 22 03:47:30 parse the .patch for all the files touched, go through each file and look in /usr/lib/ipkg/info/*.list files for what stock palm package a file is in Sep 22 03:47:48 Verify that the .patch only touches at most 1 palm package, otherwise abort Sep 22 03:48:11 The first patch to a package creates the directory /var/usr/lib/ipkg/info/ Sep 22 03:49:00 Here is a dumb old question, which I can't figure out. Sep 22 03:49:01 this directory will be the quilt/patch state area Sep 22 03:49:15 hmm, very nice to be at a full sized keyboard again. Sep 22 03:49:41 Why does "who" show 6 logins from various months, but "w" only shows 1 login. And if you do an "uptime" it says "6 users" Sep 22 03:50:15 even if I restart, or pop the battery, or whatever, it still stays the same. Sep 22 03:51:18 * oil is hacking your pre Sep 22 03:51:24 scary scary Sep 22 03:51:29 * DeCiBeL runs and hides. Sep 22 03:51:46 Can you verify yours does the same? Sep 22 03:51:47 :D Sep 22 03:51:50 DeCiBeL: it's a problem with unix temporary files Sep 22 03:52:05 utmp and wtmp Sep 22 03:52:05 I ahve tried all the tricks to force logoffs,e tc. Sep 22 03:52:12 doh! How could I froget. Sep 22 03:52:23 so those are just cached logins Sep 22 03:52:27 DeCiBeL: they're not logged in, just recorded as having logged in and not logged out Sep 22 03:52:51 Yeah, probably the old first days of terminal app Sep 22 03:52:54 forgetting to "exit" Sep 22 03:53:46 rm /var/run/utmp /var/log/wtmp; reboot Sep 22 03:53:55 already a step ahead Sep 22 03:53:58 rebooting will disconnect me though! Sep 22 03:54:02 xD Sep 22 03:54:07 I already sent you the message.. Sep 22 03:54:09 did you not get it? Sep 22 03:54:29 egaudet: I wouldn't put the quilt/patch state area in /var/usr/lib/ipkg/info directory - that will confuse other tools. Just create a new directory somewhere under /var/usr/lib Sep 22 03:55:14 root@castle:/var/home/root# rm /var/run/utmp Sep 22 03:55:15 root@castle:/var/home/root# rm /var/log/wtmp Sep 22 03:55:15 root@castle:/var/home/root# shutdown -r now Sep 22 03:55:46 Broadcast Message from root (Mon Sep 21 22:53:40 2009): System is going down for reboot NOW! Sep 22 03:56:03 Sorry Oil.. you got served. Sep 22 03:56:07 DeCiBeL: excess verbosity detected :P Sep 22 03:56:17 It was a mistake.. pasted the wrong thing. Sep 22 03:56:24 :D Sep 22 03:56:28 but yeah, that should fix it Sep 22 03:56:35 :/ Sep 22 03:56:50 Was supposed to paste that reboot message to oil, but had my commands in there on accident Sep 22 03:56:51 and keep oil from hacking your system at the same time Sep 22 03:57:09 lol Sep 22 03:57:13 nah, I fixed taht already.. I turned off the "slacker" hole. Sep 22 03:57:24 i thought it could be hacked even if it was off? Sep 22 03:57:25 xD Sep 22 03:57:35 Hmm.. good point. Sep 22 03:57:45 I even heard you can root it while its off. Sep 22 03:58:04 Geez.. my old 8086 DX2 booted faster than the Pre. Sep 22 03:59:26 Who developed the Nodoze app? Sep 22 03:59:57 or you could just look for yourself... Sep 22 04:00:05 yeah, could. Sep 22 04:00:11 we are not your google Sep 22 04:00:12 Just figured they might be in here and speak out. Sep 22 04:00:16 Sure you are. Sep 22 04:00:23 look at all the spam I missed while I was gone Sep 22 04:00:32 from someone named decibel Sep 22 04:00:36 :P Sep 22 04:01:15 oh Sep 22 04:01:20 its midnight on the east coast Sep 22 04:01:27 my friends list is starting to fill with odst Sep 22 04:01:38 hah Sep 22 04:07:18 I love Jason's latest update for QuickInstall.. "Fixed issues causing 'invalid magic' errors" Sep 22 04:18:01 Hey all Sep 22 04:22:06 hey Sep 22 04:24:07 I've noticed over at Precentral a few comments from Rod stating that a few homebrews are not safe... for example: Auto Correct and My Flash Light... are there any other earlier homebrew's in this fashion besides those two? Sep 22 04:25:28 oil: i got it. ;) Sep 22 04:39:47 the pre gets pretty warm after a long conversation Sep 22 04:42:19 i've never had a phone that didn't Sep 22 04:42:31 my last phone was crap Sep 22 04:42:32 it didnt Sep 22 04:42:36 xD Sep 22 04:43:09 right now i have a nokia e71 Sep 22 04:43:19 which gets super hot after a long conversation Sep 22 04:43:20 wha? no pre? Sep 22 04:43:24 nope Sep 22 04:43:28 sadly Sep 22 04:43:41 when gsm comes, probably will import one Sep 22 04:44:10 ah Sep 22 04:44:25 * oil didn't realize you weren't in the us Sep 22 04:44:34 i am Sep 22 04:44:39 in sf.ca Sep 22 04:44:40 .us Sep 22 04:44:42 ewww USA GSM Sep 22 04:44:52 lol Sep 22 04:44:55 Why a GSM phone in SF? Sep 22 04:44:59 :D Sep 22 04:45:01 Sprint has great coverage around here. Sep 22 04:45:05 because i'm on tmob Sep 22 04:45:10 ewwwwwwwww Sep 22 04:45:11 ack. Sep 22 04:45:12 dude Sep 22 04:45:14 and because i like not switching phones when i travel Sep 22 04:45:18 My condolences Sep 22 04:45:20 70 a month 450 everything plan Sep 22 04:45:29 you travel internationally often? Sep 22 04:45:47 I keep an unlocked phone for travel :) Sep 22 04:45:54 which just became unlimited mobile to ANY mobile, plus unlimited everything else. Sep 22 04:45:59 It's unbelievable. Sep 22 04:46:09 heisenman: yeah sprint plan prices are absurd Sep 22 04:46:16 beautiful. Sep 22 04:46:29 I'm laughing at the iphone guys at my office. Sep 22 04:46:31 it's been very tempting Sep 22 04:46:33 They're...pissed as hell atm :) Sep 22 04:46:47 almost everyone in my office has an iphone :( Sep 22 04:46:50 Sprint wants customers so badly. Sep 22 04:47:24 nights and weekends at 7pm o.O Sep 22 04:47:42 sprint tempts me Sep 22 04:47:59 verizon does not Sep 22 04:48:05 at&t definetly does not Sep 22 04:49:05 iphone is such a toy Sep 22 04:49:24 iphone just offends me Sep 22 04:49:31 VZW is best by far for voice but their prices make it worse than suicide Sep 22 04:49:44 and slow data speeds like at&t and tmo Sep 22 04:50:02 i was in a meeting with someone from an iphone dev company + two of my coworkers Sep 22 04:50:16 and i basically had to bite my tongue the entire time Sep 22 04:50:27 Did they go on non stop on how "good" it is? Sep 22 04:50:45 no, but they do that periodically Sep 22 04:51:16 gah I hate apple fanboys Sep 22 04:51:25 agree Sep 22 04:51:32 They think they are intellectually superior Sep 22 04:51:34 i'm one of the onlypeople without a macbook pro and without an iphone Sep 22 04:52:10 The mac zealots at my office fear me. Sep 22 04:52:12 you rebel Sep 22 04:52:21 They need to stop explaining about how their hardware is so good. Sep 22 04:52:37 I am the admin so I just make fun of them and tell them I won't help them until they get a pc Sep 22 04:52:37 Because...they don't understand Apple release cycles vs the rest of the world. Sep 22 04:52:43 Heh. Sep 22 04:52:52 Eguy: Have mercy on them. Give them parallels. Sep 22 04:52:58 hah Sep 22 04:53:03 They can run their stupid OS inside of a real one. Sep 22 04:53:06 most of the guys at my work realizie that the hardware kind of sucks Sep 22 04:53:12 other way around ;) Sep 22 04:53:18 And someone, PLEASE, write me an IRC client for the pre. Sep 22 04:53:24 Heroes is on :P Sep 22 04:53:29 was Sep 22 04:53:37 * oil has already downloaded 30% of it Sep 22 04:53:40 well It's already been on for an hour Sep 22 04:53:48 heisenman: start with terminal Sep 22 04:53:51 I just watched curb from last night Sep 22 04:53:58 but yeah, irc is on the roadmap Sep 22 04:54:07 puff and I have pretty much agreed how it should work Sep 22 04:54:12 but, hes too lazy to create the service xD Sep 22 04:54:21 along with catalog, lag, program fixes, etc Sep 22 04:54:25 1.2 Sep 22 04:54:30 etc etc Sep 22 04:56:18 IRC would rape the battery no? Sep 22 04:56:27 as much as aim does? Sep 22 04:56:31 I already fear to use anything related to power draw Sep 22 04:56:52 I never go on aim, watch tv, stream anything, play music Sep 22 04:56:52 buy another battery Sep 22 04:56:52 and swap it out infront of your iphone friendw Sep 22 04:56:53 and be like "WOWOW!" Sep 22 04:57:01 hahah I have 4 lol Sep 22 04:57:03 lol Sep 22 04:57:14 5 lol Sep 22 04:57:21 3 from my centro and 2 from the pre Sep 22 04:57:27 i have, uh, one Sep 22 04:57:41 i would get a bigger one Sep 22 04:57:45 but i <3 touchstone Sep 22 04:57:52 I have the 1350 one in right now Sep 22 04:57:57 it does not add anything Sep 22 04:57:59 lol Sep 22 04:58:16 waste of $ for me Sep 22 04:58:39 and I wouldn't mind battery swapping all the time if the Pre didn't take 3 hours to reboot Sep 22 04:58:40 i really dont have many battery problems Sep 22 04:58:45 i set it on wifi at work and home Sep 22 04:58:47 no gps Sep 22 04:58:52 stream music/etc often Sep 22 04:58:56 dont aim much from it Sep 22 04:58:58 I should probably turn gps off Sep 22 04:59:08 my screen is set pretty dark, too Sep 22 04:59:26 when i go to the other plant, i put it in airplane Sep 22 04:59:28 I find even when it is all the way down, it is plenty bright Sep 22 04:59:39 MLJones8: versions of MyTether before 1.5 also opened up holes Sep 22 04:59:46 cause i get such shitty signal inside itl kill my batt in like an hour or so Sep 22 05:00:00 ah yes and lights your pants on fire Sep 22 05:00:07 the first time Sep 22 05:00:09 i was in there Sep 22 05:00:11 bad signal = extreme heat and dead battery Sep 22 05:00:16 and it vibrated, and i was like "oh, email?" Sep 22 05:00:22 lol NO Sep 22 05:00:23 only to see 20% battery warning Sep 22 05:00:24 WTF? Sep 22 05:00:25 lol Sep 22 05:00:37 "its only 10am?" Sep 22 05:00:44 rwhitby: great eyes and thanks for the response. Sep 22 05:00:53 MLJones8: 2.0 is ok Sep 22 05:01:22 1.5 is ok too Sep 22 05:01:30 except that it has open wifi Sep 22 05:01:31 maybe ill give mytether a shot next time im out of town with my laptop Sep 22 05:01:35 but you need to donate 15.38 to donate Sep 22 05:01:38 download* Sep 22 05:01:40 lol Sep 22 05:01:52 it's gone up from 14.95 ? Sep 22 05:01:58 yes Sep 22 05:01:59 after you donate 15:28, you get the special privilege of getting to donate again! Sep 22 05:02:03 lol Sep 22 05:02:09 no 15.38 Sep 22 05:02:19 15.28 gets you the middle version Sep 22 05:02:23 lol Sep 22 05:02:27 there is seperate tiers? Sep 22 05:02:32 yeah Sep 22 05:02:34 Bummer I'm still rocking v1.5... orange + tap to delete sufficient? Sep 22 05:02:36 lolol Sep 22 05:02:45 MLJones8: i dont think so Sep 22 05:02:52 its got a service orange-tap wont delete doesnt it? Sep 22 05:02:54 If you pay 12:23 it just does luna send and crashes your phone Sep 22 05:02:56 MLJones8: orange + tap is never sufficient for services and plugins Sep 22 05:03:10 * rwhitby bbl Sep 22 05:03:16 there is the app and a service Sep 22 05:03:24 you need to root your pre to delete it Sep 22 05:03:25 Well I suppose i actually installed it via preware... uninstall sufficient? Sep 22 05:03:38 theoretically ye Sep 22 05:03:38 s Sep 22 05:04:06 oil: it actually works well but it kills the battery Sep 22 05:04:12 so I always end up using usb mode Sep 22 05:04:23 wilst charging it Sep 22 05:05:23 Well I had gained linux access on my old Pre...this is refurb from sprint and I haven't gone down that road yet. Sep 22 05:06:05 Just say into the mic: Pre: Give me root access! Sep 22 05:06:12 When you say theoretically yes... well what exactly do you mean by that? Sep 22 05:06:12 and you will hear a tone Sep 22 05:06:18 Tried that and got nothing. :( Sep 22 05:06:25 damn :( stupid refubs Sep 22 05:06:32 lol Sep 22 05:06:41 refurbs Sep 22 05:06:41 I meant it may or may not uninstall correctly Sep 22 05:06:56 yes, I can't type today/yesterday/ever Sep 22 05:07:01 So I heard someone say something about the official 1.2 release in the next few days? Sep 22 05:07:06 Thursday Sep 22 05:07:09 I haven't asked yet because I'm scared... Sep 22 05:07:17 Thursday the world ends Sep 22 05:07:20 with 1.2 Sep 22 05:07:21 How b0rked does the phone get from an upgrade + all of these apps? Sep 22 05:07:29 Eguy: well it installed it correctly ... why wouldn't it remove it correctly? (preware) Sep 22 05:07:33 That we all use. Because they're awesome. Sep 22 05:07:36 I leave all my hacks on XD Sep 22 05:07:47 apps = no problem to phone Sep 22 05:07:55 patches can be a problem? Sep 22 05:07:57 me and oil are too lazy Sep 22 05:07:57 patches/themes, most likely just get overwritten Sep 22 05:08:05 oooo Sep 22 05:08:08 overwritten is ok. Sep 22 05:08:13 but its probably best to remove them Sep 22 05:08:15 i plan to Sep 22 05:08:16 usually8*!*!*!*!* Sep 22 05:08:25 Maybe it'll unscrew whatever hack job I did to egaudet's keyboard patch. Sep 22 05:08:32 lol Sep 22 05:08:34 * heisenman prays fervently Sep 22 05:08:35 just remove it Sep 22 05:08:38 Tried. Sep 22 05:08:42 Believe me, I tried. Sep 22 05:08:42 and doctor your phone to 1.2 when its up Sep 22 05:08:43 if it does not get overwritten you might be in a lot of trouble Sep 22 05:09:11 At this point LunaSysMgr stop && LunaSysMgr start causes a segmentation fault on my phone Sep 22 05:09:15 and the graphics stop working. Sep 22 05:09:21 ah Sep 22 05:09:22 MAN was that scary the first time. Sep 22 05:09:29 you might want to see the doctor Sep 22 05:09:30 My gf called and the button didn't work. Sep 22 05:09:35 if it lasts longer than 4 hours Sep 22 05:09:38 I about lost it right there. Sep 22 05:09:43 heisenman, LunaSysMgr stop is wrong Sep 22 05:09:49 Er. Sep 22 05:09:54 I haven't tried that one in a while. Sep 22 05:09:58 lol Sep 22 05:09:59 So I dunno what it is. Sep 22 05:10:01 "stop LunaSysMgr" Sep 22 05:10:04 other way around Sep 22 05:10:04 yes Sep 22 05:10:10 hm Sep 22 05:10:11 just use luna manager Sep 22 05:10:17 ^ plug Sep 22 05:10:21 xD Sep 22 05:10:28 LunaSysMgr stop will run LunaSysMgr in the foreground but it's already running and will segfault Sep 22 05:10:36 hm Sep 22 05:10:37 well Sep 22 05:10:41 and while your at it, download blocked and dot game Sep 22 05:10:41 assuming you've already got preware and the package service Sep 22 05:10:46 luna manager needs nothing Sep 22 05:10:51 and give it a 5 star review Sep 22 05:10:56 srsly Sep 22 05:11:05 k Sep 22 05:11:12 :P Sep 22 05:11:12 i emailed a couple people who gave me shitty reviews Sep 22 05:11:12 there's some luna app that will reboot whatever you need too Sep 22 05:11:15 I have that one too. Sep 22 05:11:17 explaining why they were stupid Sep 22 05:11:19 and any weird state you got for the keyboard patch, you can follow these steps to rectify Sep 22 05:11:20 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/198051-screen-keyboard-bugs-functionality-enhancements-68.html#post1910190 Sep 22 05:11:32 I was reading the reviews and was thinking man oil is gonna be pissed lol Sep 22 05:11:40 a couple actually changed their reviews Sep 22 05:11:45 not pissed Sep 22 05:11:55 i know that it locks up sometimes on hard with the large board Sep 22 05:11:58 its not new Sep 22 05:12:01 reading the reviews you get a sense of how stupid the average pre owners are Sep 22 05:12:06 the ones like Sep 22 05:12:11 "it wont let me draw any lines" Sep 22 05:12:12 or Sep 22 05:12:19 "i wish i could make it so it didnt require boxes" Sep 22 05:12:24 1: you tap them, not draw Sep 22 05:12:29 2. THERE IS AN OPTION ON THE MAIN SCREEN Sep 22 05:12:36 egaudet: reading up and dl'ing relevant files. Danke for the links. Sep 22 05:12:38 I personally like on kesne's checker game: "The computer cheats on me" Sep 22 05:12:43 lol Sep 22 05:12:49 kesne gets some wicked reviews Sep 22 05:13:18 heroes is over Sep 22 05:13:19 at least i know blocked is perfect Sep 22 05:13:23 wont get any bad reviews Sep 22 05:13:34 xD Sep 22 05:13:36 I wish I had HDTV :( Sep 22 05:13:44 30" monitor and utorrent. Sep 22 05:13:44 * oil does, his pc Sep 22 05:13:48 yep. Sep 22 05:13:48 and utorrent Sep 22 05:13:52 roflmao Sep 22 05:13:54 SD looks like crap Sep 22 05:13:55 rss reader = winsauce Sep 22 05:14:02 I have windows media center on win 7 Sep 22 05:14:03 nah Sep 22 05:14:06 built into utorrent Sep 22 05:14:10 but with a SD dual tuner Sep 22 05:14:13 with eztv and a couple others. Sep 22 05:14:14 yeah, the one built in Sep 22 05:14:19 wtf you think im talking about? Sep 22 05:14:24 dunno Sep 22 05:14:25 eztv haha Sep 22 05:14:28 it auto adds the series i want and downloads them Sep 22 05:14:33 that rss reader has an independent name? Sep 22 05:14:35 though, i have a few more then eztv in the list Sep 22 05:14:36 oil: except for that typing error you had last week Sep 22 05:14:36 heh Sep 22 05:14:45 typing error? Sep 22 05:14:46 you use peerguardian? Sep 22 05:14:51 yeah Sep 22 05:14:56 typo? Sep 22 05:14:59 like peeguardian? Sep 22 05:15:09 When it said you could beat whatever level in 5 moves when it was 6 or whatever. Sep 22 05:15:28 oh Sep 22 05:15:32 it knows oil's finger Sep 22 05:15:35 I read that post and was like no shit? If they beat it in x moves I'm sure I can nope........ Sep 22 05:15:37 and all th eblocks move away Sep 22 05:15:38 thats from me reading the minimum on one screen and typing it into the other Sep 22 05:15:51 lists sometimes merge together Sep 22 05:15:55 and make me lose my place Sep 22 05:16:14 I can't install the dot game Sep 22 05:16:23 Oh yeh I feel ya Sep 22 05:16:23 because I am out of memory according to palm Sep 22 05:16:26 sadness Sep 22 05:16:42 even though my var is only %43 filled Sep 22 05:16:59 delete all those crappy apps you got installed Sep 22 05:17:00 stupid 50 limit Sep 22 05:17:07 like blocked? LOL Sep 22 05:17:11 no Sep 22 05:17:20 thats not in the stupid list Sep 22 05:17:20 preware? Sep 22 05:17:24 neither is that one Sep 22 05:17:27 luna manager? Sep 22 05:17:29 :P Sep 22 05:17:32 that one is so small Sep 22 05:17:38 that's what she said Sep 22 05:17:40 it couldnt possibly be in the way Sep 22 05:17:51 It's not the size, it's how many Sep 22 05:18:04 im sure you've got other crap on there Sep 22 05:18:12 or it might be a combo of both Sep 22 05:18:16 you've already listed all my apps (except xblfriends) Sep 22 05:18:20 so delete all the others Sep 22 05:18:29 wtf Sep 22 05:18:35 oh I deleted xblfriends a long time ago Sep 22 05:18:39 that was crap Sep 22 05:18:41 sadness Sep 22 05:18:43 :P Sep 22 05:18:47 anyone get the pre in a state where all remembered wireless networks are "association failed"? Sep 22 05:18:57 brb Sep 22 05:19:01 no Sep 22 05:19:34 heisenman once... just retype the password... and it wasn't all networks just my home wifi Sep 22 05:19:58 using a MAC address filter, lemme see... Sep 22 05:20:13 at home?!?! Sep 22 05:20:18 course. Sep 22 05:20:20 apt complex. Sep 22 05:20:21 woah Sep 22 05:20:26 oh Sep 22 05:20:27 rebooting brb. Sep 22 05:21:58 I'm out... take care all Sep 22 05:22:11 and I'm back. Sep 22 05:22:22 Router trouble, my roommate also had issues. Danke all. Sep 22 05:23:10 what brand? Sep 22 05:23:16 crap Sep 22 05:23:23 dlink gaming router Sep 22 05:23:24 figures :D Sep 22 05:23:29 had 802.11n and gigabit ethernet Sep 22 05:23:31 oh those aren't crap Sep 22 05:23:41 I have one like that Sep 22 05:23:44 The hardware seems ok'ish... Sep 22 05:23:46 they are great Sep 22 05:23:51 the firmware is a bit shaky Sep 22 05:24:01 I have the dir-655 Sep 22 05:24:17 The signal strength is shit in my house though Sep 22 05:24:20 I'm almost at the point where I want to put together a little mini-itx box with like 8 gigabit ports coming out of pci-e and roll my own aith a linux distro Sep 22 05:24:26 yeah, that's the one I have. Sep 22 05:24:34 Signal is ok, I can hit across the complex with it. Sep 22 05:24:42 I can't with mine Sep 22 05:24:44 But the firmware isn't good enough for QoS, load balancing... Sep 22 05:25:06 The computer on the other end of the house has dialup speeds Sep 22 05:25:28 I was thinking of putting an AP in the middle Sep 22 05:25:49 Don't buy an actual AP Sep 22 05:25:51 * oil has old ass linksys with ddwrt Sep 22 05:25:55 Just buy a router and disable DHCP Sep 22 05:26:11 it's about the same price Sep 22 05:26:17 Yeah, but... Sep 22 05:26:21 well, it's been a few years Sep 22 05:26:36 but the damn AP software is even worse than the dlink/netgear stuff Sep 22 05:26:45 From linksys, of all companies. Sep 22 05:26:57 I wasn't going to get a linksys ap lol Sep 22 05:27:03 linksys is ubercrap Sep 22 05:27:28 hey, my wrt45g has been goin strong for YEARS Sep 22 05:27:34 yeah, they used to be good Sep 22 05:27:48 then they switched to the newer crappier hardware and away from the linux kernels. Sep 22 05:27:50 Yeah, I built a wireless company on Linksys. They were a lot worse before Cisco bought them. Sep 22 05:27:51 Now they suck. Sep 22 05:27:53 Never had firmware updates. Sep 22 05:28:04 ddwrt is where its at Sep 22 05:28:14 Unless you're going to go really high-end, Linksys works pretty well. Sep 22 05:28:17 Cisco is good but WAY overpriced Sep 22 05:28:32 I use motorala at work Sep 22 05:28:44 we have 23 AP's I think Sep 22 05:28:58 THey ar eok Sep 22 05:29:02 They are ok* Sep 22 05:29:29 we have like 30 dlink aps at work Sep 22 05:29:35 they fail every so often Sep 22 05:29:43 but otherwise work good enough for how we use them Sep 22 05:29:55 the business ones or home ones Sep 22 05:30:01 home ones Sep 22 05:30:05 lawl Sep 22 05:30:09 lol Sep 22 05:30:15 some are on poe Sep 22 05:30:26 lots have bigger antennas hooked up Sep 22 05:30:33 Motorola are all poe Sep 22 05:30:41 not all need poe though Sep 22 05:30:46 only the ones in the cold rooms really Sep 22 05:30:49 and we have these big ass dipole antenna Sep 22 05:31:13 they look like lightsabers lol Sep 22 05:31:19 yeah Sep 22 05:31:27 we've got some 5 foot antennas hooked up to some Sep 22 05:31:46 I hear the new aruba AP's are good Sep 22 05:31:50 we mostly use them for these wireless symbol scan guns Sep 22 05:33:46 Aruba's are very good. Sep 22 05:33:58 One called Zytel or somethign like that are good to. Sep 22 05:34:00 Not zytel. Sep 22 05:34:01 Forget. Sep 22 05:34:08 7 of the 16 people on my friends list are playing odst now :/ Sep 22 05:34:25 you only have 16? Sep 22 05:34:28 loser Sep 22 05:34:31 the 16 that are online Sep 22 05:34:33 hahah Just kidding Sep 22 05:34:35 my friends list is full Sep 22 05:34:35 lol Sep 22 05:34:41 Zyxel Sep 22 05:34:46 well, 99 and 1 request Sep 22 05:34:50 thats been sitting there forever Sep 22 05:34:54 Never heard of them PE Sep 22 05:35:42 * oil is definitely picking up odst tomorrow and not tonight Sep 22 05:35:51 hah Sep 22 05:36:02 I remember the helo 3 shortages rumor Sep 22 05:36:06 what a farse Sep 22 05:36:14 lol Sep 22 05:37:02 The problem with Aruba is they are very expensive Sep 22 05:37:02 maybe i should go play shadowrun just to lol @ all the odst people Sep 22 05:37:20 I don't have a very big budget to play around with Sep 22 05:38:46 egaudet: just replaced the files and ran that macro, rebooting luna as we speak. Sep 22 05:39:30 GUI still works...attempting to install the keyboard now. Sep 22 05:39:43 why? Sep 22 05:39:55 you are just going to have to remove it in a few days ;) Sep 22 05:40:02 IT MUST WORK Sep 22 05:40:05 AT LEAST ONCE. Sep 22 05:40:06 lol Sep 22 05:40:25 I liked it when I had it but I took it off for now until 1.2 Sep 22 05:40:37 I completely destroyed that patch a while back. Sep 22 05:40:41 I want redemption. Sep 22 05:40:47 It is the ultimate ammo against iPhone users Sep 22 05:40:47 * egaudet made prerm script OTA friendly Sep 22 05:41:12 Holy crap. It made it through the patch process. Sep 22 05:41:16 Rebooting luna as we speak. Sep 22 05:41:16 "Look how small that keyboard is" "Oh yeah????" Sep 22 05:41:38 tap tap... "Didn't expect that did ya?" Sep 22 05:41:44 lol Sep 22 05:41:45 virtual keyboard + apps in landscape mode... Sep 22 05:41:59 I can do EVERYTHING! Sep 22 05:42:22 except see through women's clothing Sep 22 05:42:34 There's an app for that Sep 22 05:42:34 mmm Sep 22 05:42:38 thats in 1.2 Sep 22 05:42:40 gf takes them off when I want. Sep 22 05:42:41 So.... Sep 22 05:42:42 It's called jail Sep 22 05:43:04 I dunno, seriously, with all of the media out there of naked chicks... Sep 22 05:43:15 How much do we care about SEEING things live if we can't TOUCH them? Sep 22 05:43:23 the internet is for porn! Sep 22 05:43:31 why do you think the net was born? Sep 22 05:43:40 The crazy owner of the shop a couple of doors down from my old shop.. Sep 22 05:43:55 Got a boob job, definitely wanted us all to grab em and praise her. Sep 22 05:43:58 So hey, what the hell. Sep 22 05:44:03 lol Sep 22 05:44:15 But if I didn't get to touch it and it didn't look like frankenstein, what's the point? Sep 22 05:44:16 ew body's are not race cars Sep 22 05:44:29 dude. Sep 22 05:44:31 not meant to be modified and have new parts put in Sep 22 05:44:34 It's gnarly as hell. Sep 22 05:44:56 areola reduction means FRANKENSTEIN scar from the base of the breast all the way to the areola Sep 22 05:45:00 Terrifying. Sep 22 05:45:16 Her doctor should be shot, btw. That guy is a hack. Sep 22 05:45:18 TMI ty very much. Sep 22 05:45:23 srsly Sep 22 05:45:27 Rofl. Sep 22 05:45:31 whats this have to do with webos hacking? Sep 22 05:45:42 her rack got hacked? Sep 22 05:45:43 xD Sep 22 05:45:45 I don't know Sep 22 05:45:53 Reason numero uno why I don't want that app. Sep 22 05:45:57 she rm -rf'd her boobs? Sep 22 05:46:02 no Sep 22 05:46:04 Ok, I will shut up now Sep 22 05:46:05 she i++'ed Sep 22 05:46:21 I told her to get i^ Sep 22 05:46:23 But no. Sep 22 05:46:25 wget larger_cup_size Sep 22 05:46:26 i++ Sep 22 05:46:56 See you guys later, sorry rwhitby for the nonsense again Sep 22 05:46:59 * Eguy bows Sep 22 05:47:14 * heisenman-home bows. Sep 22 05:48:19 WORKS! Sep 22 05:48:24 Dude. That is a wonderful app too. Sep 22 05:48:27 lol Sep 22 05:48:42 now trying to think of what to type? Sep 22 05:49:57 google search for the meaning of life Sep 22 05:50:35 what a surprise the first result is wikipedia Sep 22 05:50:55 huzzah Sep 22 05:52:06 _pre = irc in terminal plugin? Sep 22 05:52:12 the font used in terminal on the pre = not so great for irc readability Sep 22 05:52:18 lol Sep 22 05:52:40 * oil really needs to get to work on that irc mojo front end Sep 22 05:53:23 YES Sep 22 05:53:27 IRC ON THE PRE!!! Sep 22 05:53:29 I'll donate. Sep 22 05:53:30 Hm. Sep 22 05:53:37 I think I'm way behind on donations for stuff too. Sep 22 05:57:21 for some reason my phone reboots if i leave sshd running with no incoming connection Sep 22 05:58:17 ^ who wants to bet this was an ssh reboot? Sep 22 06:00:03 heisenman-home: BTW, my non-phone should be here in the next 2 days Sep 22 06:01:53 non-phone huh Sep 22 06:03:51 then you can do all sorts of stuff like not call people Sep 22 06:03:57 and claim its because your phone isnt compatible with the network Sep 22 06:05:07 lol Sep 22 06:11:36 rwhitby: super-congrats man Sep 22 06:11:45 I hope you love it as much as we all are. Sep 22 06:12:08 And your battery life is going to be killer. No evdo Sep 22 06:13:01 whats good? Sep 22 06:13:09 everything? Sep 22 06:13:10 irc is on the pre. Sep 22 06:14:26 everything is great. Sep 22 06:15:11 oil is the greatEST. Sep 22 06:15:51 nah Sep 22 06:16:37 and irc client, hrm. Sep 22 06:16:56 id rather see more cpu scaling. Sep 22 06:17:12 but irc, i dunno, BitchX is solid Sep 22 06:17:19 6x10 font in the terminal is much better Sep 22 07:28:05 heisenman-home: the other alternative is that I might hate the Pre when I first hold it in my hands and leave the community altogether ... Sep 22 07:30:21 I'd have to rethink my life. Sep 22 07:30:32 But I'd live. Sep 22 07:34:00 rwhitby: your fund finally hit the limit?! Sep 22 07:34:05 * freakout_AFK chokes on jealousy Sep 22 07:35:24 freakout: it should be here by Thursday. Possibly in your neck of the woods today. Sep 22 07:35:39 * freakout works for a big transport company now Sep 22 07:35:46 * freakout plans *interception*! Sep 22 07:40:44 * rwhitby doesn't mention what carrier he is using Sep 22 07:44:19 psh, there arent that many that go international Sep 22 08:09:24 * rwhitby starts on a Makefile which automatically creates a bypass-activation version of the webOS Doctor ... Sep 22 11:55:37 g00d morning Sep 22 12:16:24 rwhitby: you naughty man you. (go for it!) Sep 22 12:16:42 and *evening*, atlanta ;) Sep 22 12:17:00 opps Sep 22 12:17:05 where are you in the world Sep 22 12:17:06 "? Sep 22 12:17:14 Oz Sep 22 12:17:42 freakout: what's naughty about a Makefile which creates a bypass-activation version of the webOS Doctor? I'm only going to distribute the Makefile, not any Palm files. Sep 22 12:19:05 * freakout googles makefiles Sep 22 12:19:18 my mistake! Sep 22 12:19:35 WIll this file help me unlock my UK GSM Pre when I get it? Sep 22 12:19:46 no. Sep 22 12:20:04 :( Sep 22 12:20:05 it will allow you to use a non-phone Sep 22 12:21:36 what do you call something which modifies a doctor ... Sep 22 12:22:28 Medical Review Board? Sep 22 12:22:45 Big Pharma bribe? Sep 22 12:23:39 speaking purely hypothetically, is it going to be a simple task to unlock GSM Pres? Sep 22 12:25:08 no idea Sep 22 12:25:25 I suspect it won't be done in Javascript or Linux. Sep 22 12:25:39 again with the :( Sep 22 12:26:17 while i'm throwing questions at you, will your makefile help my fellow PIC blogger Kris? Sep 22 12:26:19 http://www.palminfocenter.com/comments/9906/#154927 Sep 22 12:27:54 He's a very doom-and-gloom sort of bloke, but his heart's in the right place. Sep 22 12:28:02 * freakout goes to have a beer and a hot bath Sep 22 12:29:57 freakout: I expect it will, at least that's the intention. Sep 22 12:37:57 morning folken Sep 22 12:57:15 morning AnOutsider Sep 22 12:57:34 evenin rod Sep 22 12:58:07 * rwhitby is working out a less heavy-handed way to adjust the activation process to not actually require a cellular provider, but act as if one is there. Sep 22 13:00:52 ah that's right, no pre in Aus. Sep 22 13:01:01 we should only be a month away from a GSM pre anywho Sep 22 13:01:51 a month away from a locked to a germany provider GSM Pre ... Sep 22 13:01:57 lol true Sep 22 13:05:50 how long could it be before that's changed tho Sep 22 13:06:08 im not evne a pro, but poking aroudn webos shows it's pretty darn easy to change system settings Sep 22 13:13:22 they'll lock it down at a lower level Sep 22 13:13:28 but anything can be undone Sep 22 13:14:15 well im eager for it. can't wait to head back to T-Mobile, or even ATT Sep 22 13:14:24 sprint's just not my cup-o-tea Sep 22 13:15:04 WOAHHH Sep 22 13:15:06 TMOBILE Sep 22 13:15:15 lol in my area both of those are horrible Sep 22 13:15:21 i love me some tmobile Sep 22 13:15:33 cheaer plans, no 3g, but better coverage, no dropped calls Sep 22 13:15:37 and they have catherine zeta Sep 22 13:15:40 what tmobile is the slowest thing around here my friend has a g1 and i'd be damn to hve that thing Sep 22 13:15:54 the plans are a rip out Sep 22 13:16:01 how so? Sep 22 13:16:03 theres a report that explained how Sep 22 13:16:17 39,99 1,500 minutes, unlimited nights unlimited weekends Sep 22 13:16:26 similar plan on att is more and i only get 400 minutes? Sep 22 13:16:30 pretty mich explained how sprint is shitting on carriers now Sep 22 13:16:44 what area you in Sep 22 13:16:44 ? Sep 22 13:16:49 i actually have both (tmobiule and att with an iphone) so I can easily compare them and tmobile crushes ATT Sep 22 13:17:05 Pennsylvania - and yeah sprint has great plans... HORRIBLE cutomer service and pathetic coverage Sep 22 13:17:09 yea true that Sep 22 13:17:12 so often I've got the "R" and no data Sep 22 13:17:20 my mom has ATT and needless to say she hates it Sep 22 13:17:27 so often i drop calls. Sep 22 13:17:41 but how can u go wrong with anymobile Sep 22 13:17:48 yeah ATT is horrible. and the rollover minutes DO expire. guess someone called them on it because their commercials no longer say it Sep 22 13:17:59 yea they do expire Sep 22 13:18:16 they were losing money i guess Sep 22 13:18:22 i thought they expired after a year anyway Sep 22 13:18:55 yea its a year Sep 22 13:19:01 yeah, but the commericals used to say they NEVER expired Sep 22 13:19:10 remember the ones with the mom and her kids throwing away minutes Sep 22 13:19:17 now the newer ones never say it Sep 22 13:19:24 yea they probably got a few customers with unexpiring minutes for that one Sep 22 13:19:33 lol Sep 22 13:19:39 haha Sep 22 13:19:56 alright, i should go downstairs and workout then get to work Sep 22 13:20:03 talk to u guys a bit later on Sep 22 14:01:25 not understanding why my job has ie6 as the standard broswer Sep 22 14:06:16 has everyone seen Sep 22 14:06:16 http://www.freemagicconference.com/ Sep 22 14:38:25 atlanta: hope they come out with a voip client for pre Sep 22 14:43:03 * rwhitby points to http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=tools/bypass-activation.git;a=summary Sep 22 14:45:08 Decimation: a couple days ago I complained about the three slots on the quickbar and you said there are 4 ... Sep 22 14:45:21 is there some way to remove the little-left-and-mostly-up arrow? Sep 22 14:45:25 rwhitby: not sure what I am looking at Sep 22 14:45:33 rofl Sep 22 14:45:38 nm, I simply just don't count well Sep 22 14:45:52 well, regardless, 4 isn't enough Sep 22 15:48:27 I wish I could disable 3G when I'm out here in farm country. I hate being jealous of iPhone users Sep 22 16:09:25 Bypass activation support is now in http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=tools/bypass-activation.git;a=summary, but untested as yet. Sep 22 16:09:45 * rwhitby bbt - goodnight all Sep 22 16:32:11 /j #vim Sep 22 19:49:32 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-themes/204374-theming-bug.html Sep 22 19:49:39 since when does not following directions = bug? Sep 22 19:53:55 AnOutsider: It's an ID 10t error Sep 22 19:54:20 (not following instructions is, I mean) :) a very common error Sep 22 19:55:23 aka PEBKAC bug Sep 22 19:57:08 egaudet: the virtual keyboard isnt installing right in quick install or preware - something is wrong with the postinst script i suppose. Sep 22 19:57:32 worked for me Sep 22 19:58:01 PICNIC - Problem in chair, not in computer Sep 22 19:58:05 not to you Deci haha Sep 22 19:58:23 Preware Sep 22 19:58:24 preware Sep 22 19:58:25 preware Sep 22 19:58:54 Decimation_, did you try quick install first? Sep 22 20:01:27 preware! Sep 22 20:11:50 egaudet: yes Sep 22 20:17:23 i think the postinst script is messed up egaudet. Sep 22 20:18:20 does it modify anything besides the 195.15 folder? Sep 22 20:20:33 Decimation_, I have no problems using preware to uninstall and install Sep 22 20:20:42 hmm Sep 22 20:20:47 what would my problem be then :/ Sep 22 20:21:02 Most people reporting problems seem to have been from quick install but I don't know because I only have used preware Sep 22 20:21:12 What error are you getting? Sep 22 20:21:17 How did you update in quick install? Sep 22 20:21:27 preware: Erorr Installing [4] Sep 22 20:21:28 was there an update option or did you uninstall first? Sep 22 20:21:38 hit the IPKG log from app menu after error, and tell me what it says Sep 22 20:21:38 just updated Sep 22 20:21:40 its removed now. Sep 22 20:21:55 egaudet: kk, give me a minute, rebooting. Sep 22 20:26:13 egaudet: Failed: ErrorGenericMethodException: Failure during post inst operating Sep 22 20:26:21 ERROR: mismatch md5sums Sep 22 20:28:03 ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Sep 22 20:28:12 I see what is happening all over the place Sep 22 20:28:14 doh! Sep 22 20:29:33 ? Sep 22 20:30:01 The "update" feature is just a "install" feature Sep 22 20:30:28 so anything that allows updating for patches needs to be fixed, it is simply overwriting the patch file Sep 22 20:30:43 you have to remove and then install Sep 22 20:30:56 if you tried to update, you have to go recover your files now Sep 22 20:31:24 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/198051-screen-keyboard-bugs-functionality-enhancements-68.html#post1910190 Sep 22 20:34:16 * Mousey clicks idly Sep 22 20:35:56 okay, egaudet, completely restored the whole 195.15 folder and rebooted Sep 22 20:36:00 gonna try a preware install now. Sep 22 20:37:09 egaudet: worked :) Sep 22 20:37:17 i had already restored files and restarted luna Sep 22 20:37:22 i guess a full reboot is required. Sep 22 20:37:37 for future reference, keyboard does not support "Update". I can't speak for any other installer, but Preware will only allow you to remove it. And if in the future it supports updating, then preware's update is the only I can know will work because I don't know what other installers consider "update" for the patch Sep 22 20:37:45 woah! the keyboard has haptic response now? Sep 22 20:38:06 Mousey, had it for a while now (as an option) :D Sep 22 20:38:26 i am SO BEHIND! D= Sep 22 20:38:53 where do i access these magical keyboard options? Sep 22 20:39:06 egaudet: switching from portrait to landscape... the keyboard is slow to do it. Sep 22 20:39:30 Decimation_, yea because it is re-rendering all the 170+ elements Sep 22 20:39:34 * Mousey is suddenly convinced he installed it wrong Sep 22 20:39:54 I consider it a low priority annoyance Sep 22 20:40:02 feel free to add it to the issue tracker though Sep 22 20:40:32 mousey - double tap on gesture area to show the keyboard Sep 22 20:41:02 FreeTim: i know, it doesn't show up.. (and yes i'm in a text entery field) Sep 22 20:41:20 ha, i got it, nm Sep 22 20:42:08 It is cool - no ? :) I love it for quick edits Sep 22 20:42:36 FreeTim: i use it off and on, but no haptic or sound. i'd use it a lot more if i could figure out how to turn those on Sep 22 20:42:39 Mousey, the config file is kb_config.json found in virtual-keyboard folder when in USB mode Sep 22 20:42:52 egaudet: i see, so it's a manually edity thingy eh Sep 22 20:42:57 * Mousey feels like he should rtfm Sep 22 20:43:08 * Mousey novaterms in and cd's around and nanos stuff Sep 22 20:43:32 yea, in the future there will be a user app but that will require a secure file i/o service that is in the works Sep 22 20:45:31 do i have to restart something or just recall the keyb? Sep 22 20:46:29 * Mousey restarts luna Sep 22 20:46:35 Howdy gang Sep 22 20:46:40 * Mousey waves Sep 22 20:46:52 Quick Q.. anyone here know how to check for "sound" using the microphone ? Sep 22 20:47:00 huh? Sep 22 20:47:12 I want to create a high speed photography trigger using my PRE... listen for any sound on the mic, if it hears any, fire the flash Sep 22 20:47:29 I know how to fire the torch... cant figure out how to access the mic Sep 22 20:47:36 oh Sep 22 20:47:41 :) Sep 22 20:47:47 sorry for jumping right in, lol Sep 22 20:48:15 thats ok, i'm like the last person to talk to about it. i was under the impression there was no direct access to the mic.. then i saw sdl in the repo.. so who knows Sep 22 20:48:35 me too, but then I was also told there's no direct access to the torch, but then... that wasnt true Sep 22 20:48:41 yah Sep 22 20:48:58 so, I have half the detal I need Sep 22 20:48:58 lol Sep 22 20:49:10 I can fire the torch, yipee. Sep 22 20:50:05 ok, I can check back later, maybe get lucky if anyone knows how to access the mic. Thanks Mousey Sep 22 20:50:26 is there an arecord program ? i thought there was aplay for playing Sep 22 20:50:26 I am trying to install the browser-downloads patch, but upon 'quilt applied' it only shows my onscree-keyboard patch as being aplied? Sep 22 20:50:30 SkiFreek: i recommend you lurk Sep 22 20:50:49 why's that Sep 22 20:51:09 I have to run out, using a web client right now, I'll log in properly later Sep 22 20:51:11 SkiFreek: IRC's rather asychronized.. Sep 22 20:51:14 oh Sep 22 20:51:15 k Sep 22 20:51:16 cu Sep 22 20:51:17 is there any way to push just the enable-browser-downloads patch? Sep 22 20:51:21 hehe yes, I have a long history with IRC. :) Sep 22 20:51:26 but thanks mousey Sep 22 20:51:30 ^_^ Sep 22 20:51:45 this was the nickname I used about.. oh... 12 yrs ago when I first started using it Sep 22 20:52:07 wow, k Sep 22 20:52:08 k, ttyl Sep 22 20:52:10 cu Sep 22 20:55:02 omg ten more levels for topple ball Sep 22 20:55:03 woot Sep 22 20:55:13 lol Sep 22 20:55:25 its my favorite pre game ;x Sep 22 20:55:25 lol Sep 22 20:55:44 i wish apps could scroll via tilting Sep 22 20:55:56 preman, you know keyboard patch isn't being maintained through quilt anymore? Sep 22 20:56:08 err gitorious Sep 22 20:56:52 gitorious basterds! Sep 22 20:57:01 oh, but thats okay, i think i got it working Sep 22 20:57:07 i will need to update my onscreen keyboard eventually Sep 22 20:57:15 but for now, i just wanted the browser downloads Sep 22 20:57:42 is the keyboards response time significantly better now though? Sep 22 20:58:48 +egaudet, or i guess i should ask, is there still decent ongoing development for the onscreen kb, or has it died off in this month? Sep 22 21:06:56 oh that's awesome, the virtual keyboard works, but preware doesn't think it's installed.. Sep 22 21:07:16 i think i have to do the manual remove it procedure o rama Sep 22 21:10:15 preman, mostly all of the lag is gone Sep 22 21:10:40 I'm still working on it as my main project, although it's stable enough that it doesn't need a new release a day anymore Sep 22 21:11:33 The current version added dynamic theming, cleaner default theme, and reduced the lag (even with haptic on) Sep 22 21:11:45 Mousey... how did you get in that state Sep 22 21:12:13 Decimation_, ping Sep 22 21:15:15 egaudet: heckifino Sep 22 21:15:40 egaudet: maybe having something to do with installing virtual keyboard from WebOSQuickInstall rather than from preware? Sep 22 21:16:09 is the enable-browser-downloads patch still being maintained on quilt? Sep 22 21:16:15 or git, or wherever? Sep 22 21:16:55 I believe so preman Sep 22 21:17:22 +egaudet, when i click on a pdf file in my browser, it asks if i want to download it to media/interal/downloads... but after i hit yes it does nothing? Sep 22 21:17:23 The patch is badly formed though, trying to create a file that already exists Sep 22 21:17:32 I have notified fritos and he plans on fixing it tonight Sep 22 21:17:32 its supposed to work and start displaying a download bar right? Sep 22 21:17:46 no idea, i've never used the patch Sep 22 21:18:01 pm fritos on precentral, he created the patch Sep 22 21:18:19 ok, but its supposed to be in working form now? Sep 22 21:18:24 or does he know that its currently having problems? Sep 22 21:18:39 I think it is working for most, but not positive Sep 22 21:19:00 Let me find you the thread Sep 22 21:19:08 i suppose i could just wait, speculation is that webos 1.2 is coming out in 2 days... ok that'd be great thanks Sep 22 21:20:37 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/198387-simple-howto-download-browser.html Sep 22 21:20:46 You guys and your silly speculation Sep 22 21:21:43 it's all we have to hold onto :( Sep 22 21:22:10 +egaudet, how is the on-screen kb maintained these days? where is the patch located if not on git or wherever? Sep 22 21:23:11 Preware as an ipk Sep 22 21:23:47 All advanced homebrew installers should be able to install the keyboard ipk but I only verify/test with preware Sep 22 21:24:34 the ipk is in the preware feed, http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/all/ Sep 22 21:24:40 k Sep 22 21:24:47 err webos-internals feed Sep 22 21:25:11 anybody got a bright idea how i can xfer files from onefs thru novaterm to the palm's fs? quick before i resort to wget Sep 22 21:25:42 the wiki says something about response time improvements, is it significant? Sep 22 21:25:48 Mousey, USB mode or scp (if you set up ssh steps) Sep 22 21:26:23 hmm I'm really considering nabbing that seido 2600 Sep 22 21:26:32 mousey, novacom put file:///remote/path < /local/path/file Sep 22 21:26:39 double the battery life is amazingly tempting Sep 22 21:26:49 ooooh, bpadalino|work you WIN! Sep 22 21:26:53 preman, you can type quickly without any of the preview-key lag you get now and overall it's much better than the gitorious version Sep 22 21:26:54 yay Sep 22 21:27:25 egaudet, what was causing most of the lag ? Sep 22 21:27:38 +egaudet, do you know if it works with webos 1.2 yet? Sep 22 21:27:45 getElementById() Sep 22 21:27:55 how did you get past that ? Sep 22 21:28:01 Mousey, are you still in the state of installed keyboard not showing installe din preware? Sep 22 21:28:07 bpadalino, save them in an array Sep 22 21:28:09 on setup Sep 22 21:28:15 excellent Sep 22 21:28:32 how did you profile your code to figure that out ? Sep 22 21:28:35 preman, I will port/merge to 1.2 when it is officially released Sep 22 21:28:57 egaudet: yah, i'm currently going the clean_kb_files.zip route Sep 22 21:29:00 +egaudet, okay sounds good... i'll probably be back for help once 1.2 goes official Sep 22 21:29:20 bpadalino|work, just code review Sep 22 21:29:26 ah Sep 22 21:29:36 and remembering things that are talked about around here and on the web with regards to performance Sep 22 21:30:03 since I'm not an expert with HTML/JS Sep 22 21:31:49 Mousey, :( Sep 22 21:31:57 no big deal, i'm not skared Sep 22 21:32:02 please let me know if you can reproduce it Sep 22 21:32:12 because you aren't the first person to report that and it confuses me Sep 22 21:32:32 haha, install it as an upgrade from webOSQuickInstall.jar, that's step one Sep 22 21:32:50 when you get an error (something about postinst script i believe) then you're part way there Sep 22 21:32:58 How do you install it as an upgrade Sep 22 21:33:11 Jason told me there is no update option in quick install Sep 22 21:33:24 sure there is, it has ++packagename notation Sep 22 21:33:41 well wtf Sep 22 21:33:46 its how i (know theres an) update (for) preware Sep 22 21:34:02 and the package management service Sep 22 21:34:12 (at least, reportedly, til Preware 1.x) Sep 22 21:34:33 so how do you update from quick install? Sep 22 21:34:41 go to device management? Sep 22 21:34:49 nah, Sep 22 21:35:12 third icon down on the right, and webos-internals feed (all), and all the ++packages have upgrades Sep 22 21:35:47 and then you just download/install them as usual and it lets you? Sep 22 21:35:53 yep Sep 22 21:35:57 if it doesn't error Sep 22 21:35:58 :sigh: Sep 22 21:36:02 (as i've seen it do with vc) Sep 22 21:36:39 I don't know how I'm supposed to protect against that Sep 22 21:37:09 updating is NOT supported with keyboard (or any patches for that matter) Sep 22 21:37:10 i was also under the impression that till Preware 1.x you couldn't install services via preware, so you -had- to go the WebOSQuickInstall route Sep 22 21:37:39 I think services work fine now in preware install Sep 22 21:37:49 mmm.. well i'm open minded. Sep 22 21:39:28 Have to check with oil or rwhitby about that to verify Sep 22 21:39:55 Now I have to go figure out what to do about this quick install update issue Sep 22 21:40:49 heads up http://www.webosboston.org/2009/09/21/mojo-lists-using-a-cookie-as-a-data-source-part-2/ please leave feedback either in IM here or comments on the page :)' Sep 22 21:41:12 bad or error response from other side: 'file open failed' Sep 22 21:41:22 * Mousey takes points from bpaladino|work Sep 22 21:41:31 * Mousey takes points from bpadalino|work even Sep 22 21:43:54 hello all Sep 22 21:44:51 wget, ftw Sep 22 21:45:27 i need some help gang, im trying to update the vk and im getting the patch error 4, anyone have any recommendations Sep 22 21:48:31 how are you trying to update Sep 22 21:48:59 for the record, that's the error i get Sep 22 21:49:11 almost done restoring! ^_^ Sep 22 21:49:18 thanks, i have tried through preware and through quick install, through preware i am solely getting the option to install, it doesnt give me update or remove options Sep 22 21:49:34 bmarks3, what did you try the very first time Sep 22 21:49:42 preware Sep 22 21:49:52 There was an update option? Sep 22 21:50:01 no Sep 22 21:50:20 i essentially tried to install over the current version, but it didnt work Sep 22 21:50:33 how did you do that through preware? Sep 22 21:51:00 available patches = 1, clicked on it and it says vk Sep 22 21:51:19 i currently have the original version of the vk installed Sep 22 21:52:20 i imagine i need to somehow uninstall the vk. 1. before the update on thurs and 2. in order to fix this issue Sep 22 21:52:31 any idea how to get that done, maybe im missing something Sep 22 21:54:56 OK!! Sep 22 21:55:07 bmarks3, do you know what version of the keyboard was installed? when you say original version is that 0.1.3? Sep 22 21:55:10 theoretically, i've restored my pre to pre virtual-keyboardness Sep 22 21:55:39 i love typing reboot at a shell prompt on my phone Sep 22 21:55:41 i think that sounds right, when the article hit precentral.net, i jumped on it Sep 22 21:55:43 ^_^ Sep 22 21:55:44 bmarks3, you can use these instructions to clean up any failed installation/removal issues Sep 22 21:55:45 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/198051-screen-keyboard-bugs-functionality-enhancements-68.html#post1910190 Sep 22 21:56:21 they're a bit of a pill, those wiley command line antics. Sep 22 21:56:35 Ohhhh wait, did you use the quilt method before bmarks3 ? Sep 22 21:56:46 but i ar a linux0r, i fear no shell Sep 22 21:56:49 ^_^ Sep 22 21:56:52 :D Sep 22 21:56:53 * Mousey talks to f'ing much Sep 22 21:57:13 * Mousey notes Pandora doesn't wanna play anymore while phone reboots Sep 22 21:57:27 no i didnt Sep 22 21:57:33 what is that? Sep 22 21:57:53 nevermind then (it was the command-line method before the keyboard made it's way into preware) Sep 22 21:58:29 Preware is not supposed to give you the option to update the keyboard, which is what is confusing to me when you say you installed it again Sep 22 21:58:39 it should have only had a "remove" option if it was installed already. Sep 22 21:59:12 now you're confusing me Sep 22 21:59:18 But the post I linked you to will put everything back into the correct state to install the keyboard (make sure it's not installed in preware first) Sep 22 21:59:33 Mousey, I was talking to bmarks3 Sep 22 21:59:36 oh Sep 22 21:59:42 :P Sep 22 21:59:46 so i -shouldn't- install the vk via preware? Sep 22 21:59:52 you SHOULD Sep 22 21:59:54 (that's why i'm confused) Sep 22 21:59:56 uh.. ok Sep 22 21:59:57 * Mousey tries Sep 22 22:00:04 but it shouldn't give you an update option Sep 22 22:00:08 gotcha Sep 22 22:00:14 when new versions are released you should REMOVE from preware and then INSTALL from preware Sep 22 22:00:28 ah ha! it didn't! which is why i was compelled to upgrade it via WebOSQuickInstall Sep 22 22:00:44 what you're saying is i should have removed it then installed it again? Sep 22 22:00:48 yep Sep 22 22:00:51 GOTCHA Sep 22 22:00:53 k Sep 22 22:01:53 okay, so im reading the instructions on the novaterm stuff,dl the sdk, do all the stuff on the screen then it will remove the current version of the vk is that right Sep 22 22:02:29 bmarks3, it will remove/restore all the files the keyboard wants to create/modify Sep 22 22:02:45 as long as preware doesnt list the keyboard as installed, you shouldn't run into issues after that is done Sep 22 22:02:49 okay gotcha Sep 22 22:03:15 OK I'm gonna head home now, bbl Sep 22 22:04:55 nice Sep 22 22:05:37 error 4 trying to install vk? Sep 22 22:05:40 ....? Sep 22 22:05:45 ......? Sep 22 22:05:55 .......? Sep 22 22:06:00 NO!! Sep 22 22:06:02 w00t!! Sep 22 22:06:04 * Mousey restarts luna Sep 22 22:06:21 why am i always surprised pandora stops playing? i should file a bug Sep 22 22:07:20 * Mousey tries haptic feedback in vk Sep 22 22:08:05 * Mousey sets config, restarts luna again for good measure Sep 22 22:09:07 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-themes/203952-webos-theme-builder-4.html#post1912171 - I chuckled at the last part of this post Sep 22 22:09:51 gah, haptic no worky! unless its not what i think it is. =/ Sep 22 22:09:54 * Mousey clicks Sep 22 22:10:14 hmm Sep 22 22:10:14 im getting error 4 as well Mousey Sep 22 22:10:14 uglifying the phone since 2009 Sep 22 22:10:37 Xyg: lol.. i'd like a nice seahawks theme, even though i don't follow football Sep 22 22:10:59 I like too many football teams, my theme would have to be a montage Sep 22 22:11:09 either that or just a generic nfl theme based around the nfl app could also work Sep 22 22:11:12 or, another sport Sep 22 22:11:15 punzada: yah, i'll say one thing, the crazy uninstall boogie egaudet linked to before makes it work Sep 22 22:11:18 that too Sep 22 22:11:28 mousey i just ran that script Sep 22 22:11:31 I'm going to make a graphic porn theme Sep 22 22:11:34 was I supposed to retsart after running it? Sep 22 22:11:35 lol Sep 22 22:11:41 restart* Sep 22 22:11:43 punzada: there's two more files beyond that zip that need replacing Sep 22 22:11:51 ah Sep 22 22:11:59 global.css and one other, they go in different places Sep 22 22:12:16 the shell script in the zip only rm's some stuff, it doesn't restore the other files Sep 22 22:13:01 yah i see that now Sep 22 22:13:04 extracting now Sep 22 22:13:07 I SHALL FIX THIS Sep 22 22:13:08 the script would probably be a legal nono to distribute with those files in it, but it's be nice Sep 22 22:13:11 AND HAVE PRETTY LANDSCAPE KEYBOARD Sep 22 22:13:25 punzada: also, once you're done, erase the /media/internal/virtual-keyboard directory Sep 22 22:13:32 for good measure.. Sep 22 22:14:00 i got vk to install, but haptic response doesn't work.. time for me to google Sep 22 22:14:02 eh I didn't even put it on there and probably wont, i just wget everythign to the root home then delete it Sep 22 22:15:37 Can anyone help me with the this error installing the vk? Sep 22 22:16:04 error 4? Sep 22 22:16:05 http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0703/gamerforlife/Untitled1.jpg Sep 22 22:16:21 Yeah I get that using preware, but that image is trying with QI Sep 22 22:16:30 oooh, i see, it's not a toggle, its a timelength! Sep 22 22:16:37 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/198051-screen-keyboard-bugs-functionality-enhancements-68.html#post1910190 Sep 22 22:17:34 Splmonster: looks like it can't resolve the name ipkg.preware.org, meaning probably it's not connected to the internet Sep 22 22:18:11 Now the error 4 trying in Preware is because of the modded files that didn't unmod? Sep 22 22:19:38 Splmonster: eh? Sep 22 22:20:34 Splmonster: I don't parse that, what "error 4" and what modded files didn't unmod? Sep 22 22:20:49 god it helps to read documentation Sep 22 22:20:52 What was error 4 when trying to install that? Sep 22 22:20:54 * Mousey is a big dork Sep 22 22:21:10 btw I disapprove of the preware logo being 'retardo tux' he's dumb looking and nowhere near as dignified looking as classic tux /rant. Sep 22 22:21:49 Splmonster: no idea what you're referring to Sep 22 22:23:42 ok haptics is cool Sep 22 22:25:31 It's all good, i'm gonna use the steps and restore the files it says to. Sep 22 22:25:40 To see if this fixes the issue Sep 22 22:29:34 Splmonster: well it fixed the installation issue for me Sep 22 22:31:00 * punzada fixed the files, ran the script (again) and is now waiting for his pre to reboot before the test Sep 22 22:31:03 ;x Sep 22 22:31:19 Yeah im trying it as we speak... We will see what the outcome is Sep 22 22:31:33 so i think 40ms is ideal for the haptic setting.. Sep 22 22:31:53 any lower than 35 and the vibe doesn't register, any higher and it's just feels too long Sep 22 22:32:23 i feel like having my pre vibrate on every keystroke is a good way to kill its battery ... or give it a seizure Sep 22 22:32:43 whree the hell has Zuchmir been Sep 22 22:32:55 Okay I restored those two files, and trying the install now Sep 22 22:34:04 No luck still got error 4 Sep 22 22:34:35 ive got the same problem monster, i have the emulator running but i dont understand much about this at this level Sep 22 22:34:35 still waiting on my restart Sep 22 22:34:43 hahaha Sep 22 22:34:48 i just cracked classic using a 1 line change Sep 22 22:34:50 did you replace the two files from the webos doctor image, run that script, then rm /media/internal/virtual-keyboard directory then reboot? Sep 22 22:35:05 http://pastebin.com/m52efea2b Sep 22 22:35:05 sampson: do tell ^_^ Sep 22 22:35:10 Yes to all Sep 22 22:35:12 is that allowed here? Sep 22 22:35:46 i dontk now how to do that Sep 22 22:35:50 you just changed it to 17? Sep 22 22:35:53 unethical at best ;p Sep 22 22:35:55 yeah Sep 22 22:36:04 now that's worth downloading Sep 22 22:36:08 *ahem* Sep 22 22:36:10 to test your work Sep 22 22:36:19 lol Sep 22 22:36:35 i've never used a previous palm device so nothing about palmos i'm clamoring to get Sep 22 22:36:42 KYLE'S QUEST Sep 22 22:36:48 i am, SPACE TRADER! Sep 22 22:37:00 i was gonna say dopewars too, but the Pre version ROCKS Sep 22 22:37:07 oh and Chatopus Sep 22 22:37:14 cuz there's no jabber client for Pre ;_; Sep 22 22:37:15 hmm Sep 22 22:37:19 i think my device just froze on boot Sep 22 22:37:35 * Mousey holds off on the amazing classic hack Sep 22 22:37:51 hmm nm i can ssh in Sep 22 22:37:53 its just being super slow Sep 22 22:38:15 going on 6 mins now Sep 22 22:38:54 mousey can you help me out just a bit......Step 2 Get the following 2 files from the WebOS 1.1.0 webos doctor image, and restore them to your Pre, how do i do this step Sep 22 22:39:00 Mousey: http://i38.tinypic.com/2a0bbbn.png Sep 22 22:39:03 afaik it activated Sep 22 22:39:49 Hey what was that link again to the vk thread? Sep 22 22:40:02 My computer just randomly shut down Sep 22 22:40:51 nm found it Sep 22 22:41:08 bmarks3: yah, wget http://ross154.net/~mprov/Pre/palmInitFramework191_15.js and http://ross154.net/~mprov/Pre/global.css and REPLACE them in the directories they're supposed to go as mentioned on the forum thread Sep 22 22:41:56 HOW IS SHUTDOWN NOT FOUND Sep 22 22:41:57 >> Sep 22 22:42:05 I think i've seriously boinked this thing Sep 22 22:42:07 then wget http://ross154.net/~mprov/Pre/clean_kb_files.zip and unzip it and run it on the phone Sep 22 22:42:22 that is what im struggling with, i dont know how to access the directories Sep 22 22:42:24 punzada: maybe shutdown isn't in the path? Sep 22 22:42:27 oooh Sep 22 22:42:31 should i have the phone in usb mode Sep 22 22:42:33 bmarks3: no Sep 22 22:42:40 bmarks3: but you will wanna novaterm into it Sep 22 22:42:41 just charge? Sep 22 22:42:44 yah Sep 22 22:43:02 how to novaterm? Sep 22 22:43:13 hmm, you're not on linux? Sep 22 22:43:29 im sorry im reading the instructions but not quite registering in my head Sep 22 22:43:31 windows Sep 22 22:43:38 ah Sep 22 22:43:54 not sure how to novaterm in from windows, but essentially you want to be at the root@castle prompt on your phone Sep 22 22:44:07 Mousey: can you try that "patch" to see if it worked for you Sep 22 22:44:28 sampson: the clean_kb_files one? Sep 22 22:44:34 that's only one of two steps Sep 22 22:44:43 what else is there? Sep 22 22:44:51 the first step is to replace the palminitframeworkblahblah and global.css files Sep 22 22:44:57 On 32 bit XP or Vista You can dowload novaterm1.zip and unzip it into the sdk/bin directory. Then, just like the Mac and Linux users you can just type novaterm. Sep 22 22:45:01 no the classic patch Sep 22 22:45:04 they both go into different directories, the forum link details which Sep 22 22:45:05 oooh Sep 22 22:45:12 sampson: hang on, Sep 22 22:45:17 mine isn't expired yet so i'm not sure if it worked Sep 22 22:45:17 is that the file folder that was established on install of the sdk Sep 22 22:45:18 lemme install classic Sep 22 22:45:27 novaterm is hilariously bugged on x64 vista, every keystroke causes an error lol Sep 22 22:45:51 lol.. well i haven't used windows in like 10 years, so i don't really feel yer pain ;) Sep 22 22:46:13 well i was only it it because i couldn't get webos quick working in linux at the time (since been fixed) Sep 22 22:46:18 lol Sep 22 22:46:28 hehe Sep 22 22:46:37 yup Sep 22 22:46:43 i've borked this thing im fairly sure Sep 22 22:46:47 wont load luna Sep 22 22:46:53 just sits at my custom load screen Sep 22 22:46:54 oh wow, good job Sep 22 22:46:55 fantastic Sep 22 22:47:24 its okay, i have found some detailed instructions ill see if i can follow them Sep 22 22:47:34 well, good thing i backed up my contacts about 30 mins ago Sep 22 22:47:35 lol Sep 22 22:47:47 bmarks3: ok, the real trick is getting the command line on the phone Sep 22 22:47:55 or access to the phone's filesystem so you can plop down the files Sep 22 22:49:32 well, least i can ssh and back up all my scripts and such Sep 22 22:49:46 yeah i kinda figured it out Sep 22 22:49:54 you get classic setup yet Mousey? the person i was trying to help sucks at novaterm (windows x64 supremacy?) Sep 22 22:50:01 i dont do well with command prompt Sep 22 22:50:24 bmarks3: thats ok, practice is good for you Sep 22 22:50:35 yeah its been a while Sep 22 22:50:46 bmarks3: did you get a prompt yet? i can walk you thru it if you get one Sep 22 22:51:02 im still trying to start novaterm Sep 22 22:52:04 45ms is the sweetspot! Sep 22 22:52:25 bmarks3: well make sure the novacomd is running.. probably some kinda novacom service in windoze Sep 22 22:54:17 * Mousey has confirmed samson's good works Sep 22 22:55:04 i dont think i accessed it correctly, this is what i got....root@qemux86 Sep 22 22:55:28 oooh Sep 22 22:55:40 sounds like a root term on an emulator Sep 22 22:55:54 looks like it too Sep 22 22:55:55 all right, time to use the doctor for the first time ;x Sep 22 22:55:56 lol Sep 22 22:55:58 must be a duck! Sep 22 22:56:00 bmarks3: type uname -a Sep 22 22:56:43 some linux message Sep 22 22:57:29 2.6.26 #1 smp Sep 22 22:57:57 bmarks3: qemux86 is the emulator Sep 22 22:58:17 How do you change the color of the text inside the sym pop up box? Sep 22 22:58:27 Mousey! You can't do that, those are palm copyrighted files Sep 22 22:58:59 i erased them =) Sep 22 22:59:14 am i in the right spot, it says i should see root@castle Sep 22 22:59:20 can figure out how to get there Sep 22 22:59:24 bmarks3: YES! Sep 22 22:59:26 cant* Sep 22 22:59:29 oh Sep 22 22:59:43 sorry to excite Sep 22 22:59:49 you should be at root@castle, not qemux86, that's some other box Sep 22 23:00:09 great Sep 22 23:00:18 webos doctor isn't even recognizing it being plugged in Sep 22 23:00:19 >> Sep 22 23:00:28 novacomd? Sep 22 23:00:34 on windows, run novaterm.exe or novaterm-1.exe from the palm/sdk/bin directory. (use explorer or a command line), this is what i cant figure out what to do Sep 22 23:00:51 mousey, to do what? Sep 22 23:00:52 i SEE! Sep 22 23:00:52 lol Sep 22 23:01:01 I dont need shell access Sep 22 23:01:03 i need to flash it Sep 22 23:01:04 lol Sep 22 23:01:06 bmarks3: ok, click start->run then type cmd Sep 22 23:01:30 okay Sep 22 23:01:38 brings up the command prompt Sep 22 23:01:44 oh, weren't talkign to me Sep 22 23:01:44 punzada: novacomd isn't the shell, it's the userspace driver to communicate with the phone Sep 22 23:01:46 lol Sep 22 23:01:46 ...isn't it? Sep 22 23:01:55 oh i read it as novaterm Sep 22 23:01:58 hi all, having a problem with webOS1.10 & webOSQuickInstall2.52 getting the virtual keyboard to install again. anyone help? im stuck on Virtual Keyboard File Recovery Procedure step #3. what is novaterm? Sep 22 23:02:13 groundhog day? Sep 22 23:02:13 join the party Sep 22 23:02:26 crazy virtual keyboard Sep 22 23:02:33 novaterm is the terminal window (the commandline interface) to access the phone with Sep 22 23:02:58 what do i do after the command prompt comes up Sep 22 23:03:12 ah ha, so there is a general impression WebOSQuickInstall is the way to get VK on there.. i'm not crazy Sep 22 23:03:38 bmarks3: cd to the palm/sdk/bin directory.. although, i'm not sure what the path is under windows Sep 22 23:03:40 when it says to copy clean_kb_files.sh to media/internal.. (in usb mode) that directory isnt there. should i create it? Sep 22 23:03:50 no Sep 22 23:03:52 huh? Sep 22 23:03:55 no Sep 22 23:04:19 what? Sep 22 23:04:25 when you mount the phone and open it in a filemanager, the directory you see IS /media/internal, even though it looks like the root Sep 22 23:04:42 just copy it into your mounted PALM PRE folder Sep 22 23:04:51 you'll need more than just that file however Sep 22 23:05:15 how do i take the battery out? Sep 22 23:05:16 ;x Sep 22 23:05:21 i have the case open Sep 22 23:05:26 Really? Sep 22 23:05:26 but it doeesn't seem to want to budge Sep 22 23:05:27 lol Sep 22 23:05:27 ~lart punzada Sep 22 23:05:28 * infobot drops a humongous exploding nuke on punzada Sep 22 23:05:35 woah, i was kidding!!! that's funny Sep 22 23:05:36 >> Sep 22 23:05:51 theres a tab but i dont want to pull it too crazy Sep 22 23:05:58 the taaaaab Sep 22 23:06:02 pull the taaaaaaaab Sep 22 23:06:08 *pop!* Sep 22 23:06:14 ah okay Sep 22 23:06:21 'dont pull like a pussy' Sep 22 23:06:24 lol Sep 22 23:06:25 i dont think i have nocaterm Sep 22 23:06:27 was basically all i needed to know Sep 22 23:06:29 *novaterm Sep 22 23:06:30 lol Sep 22 23:06:35 novaterm, its your friend Sep 22 23:06:45 where can i find it Sep 22 23:06:52 where you'd find novacom Sep 22 23:07:05 drinksoy: are you in linux? Sep 22 23:07:08 lol in the instructions on the forum Sep 22 23:07:18 mousey: i am not. windows7 Sep 22 23:07:30 sorry to hear.. Sep 22 23:07:36 haha Sep 22 23:07:45 not as l337 as the rest of u guys :( Sep 22 23:07:57 maybe someone else knows, but it's probably on the forum too, search for novacom and you'll come across it Sep 22 23:08:00 <.< Sep 22 23:08:03 Ok So I got a pre Sep 22 23:08:11 aha! Sep 22 23:08:13 doctor works now Sep 22 23:08:17 i love me some internets Sep 22 23:08:18 fixes all Sep 22 23:08:20 punzada: what was it? Sep 22 23:08:20 but it was already used on sprint and therefore I need to enter the sprint settings Sep 22 23:08:27 had to pull the battery out Sep 22 23:08:28 but I am stuck on the palm profile screen Sep 22 23:08:29 -.- Sep 22 23:08:30 for some odd reason Sep 22 23:08:30 lol Sep 22 23:08:37 Tilton53: oh, create a palm profile Sep 22 23:08:38 hard reset wasn't enough for it Sep 22 23:08:42 wow Sep 22 23:08:50 So I can't because it doesn't connect to sprint Sep 22 23:08:52 XD Sep 22 23:09:00 sounds like you need to visit a sprint store ;) Sep 22 23:09:06 or join a wifi network maybe? Sep 22 23:09:07 <.< yeah Sep 22 23:09:12 I am trying to do that Sep 22 23:09:15 over the command line Sep 22 23:09:15 XD Sep 22 23:09:18 ooh Sep 22 23:09:22 brave soul Sep 22 23:09:36 haha, well iwconfig is on there Sep 22 23:09:49 i donno what the wifi interface is called, but i wonder if you can get it working Sep 22 23:10:01 mousey> i guess i have to go get the sdk then to get novaterm :P Sep 22 23:10:20 oh well Sep 22 23:10:23 this was needed anyway Sep 22 23:10:27 my filesystem was a bloody mess Sep 22 23:10:28 lol Sep 22 23:10:37 drinksoy: i'm not sure, i didn't have to for linux.. but check the WebOSQuickInstall instructions, cuz thats where i found the novaterm download info Sep 22 23:10:56 Tilton53: ah ha Sep 22 23:11:05 Tilton53: with the wifi radio turned on: Sep 22 23:11:21 Tilton53: iwconfig eth0 essid Sep 22 23:11:25 nice Sep 22 23:11:26 :D Sep 22 23:11:49 then as long as the isn't encrypted, you might just be able to dhcp or ifconfig byhand your ip address and maybe it works? Sep 22 23:12:04 encrypted Sep 22 23:12:05 :/ Sep 22 23:12:07 yah, looks like castle has dhclient Sep 22 23:12:13 oh, WEP or WPA? Sep 22 23:12:18 WPA Sep 22 23:12:20 rats Sep 22 23:12:28 dont know what i did or how i got there but im there Sep 22 23:12:32 root@castle Sep 22 23:12:34 ok, well wpa-supplicant is on there Sep 22 23:12:39 bmarks3: YAY! Sep 22 23:12:52 bmarks3: type wget, hit enter, does it find it? Sep 22 23:13:21 busybox something Sep 22 23:13:38 wget: not found? Sep 22 23:13:50 lol man quickinstall2.5 seems like it messed the virtualkybd up bad. cant believe its this much trouble to get it working again :P Sep 22 23:13:52 its not in the right place Sep 22 23:14:13 drinksoy: well apparently quickinstall isn't how you install vk Sep 22 23:14:25 ^^ btw not complaining, the devs who are doing this stuff are AWESOME. just kind of laughing that im the sad noob dealing with my mess Sep 22 23:14:27 bmarks3: does it say Usage: wget [-c|--continue] [-s|--spider] [-q|--quiet] [-O|--output-document Sep 22 23:14:28 i installed vk from preware Sep 22 23:14:31 blahblahblah? Sep 22 23:14:43 drinksoy: ooh, then why do you mention quickinstall? Sep 22 23:14:56 yeah it does Sep 22 23:15:00 bmarks3: yay! Sep 22 23:15:09 bmarks3: ok, i'm gonna make egaudet mad again, but hang on Sep 22 23:15:21 :o Sep 22 23:15:24 however when i tried ls -al it didnt come up with the right path Sep 22 23:15:30 http://support.sprint.com/support/article/Program_your_Palm_Pre/case-vw371511-20090826-091912 Sep 22 23:15:35 er, iono its kind of messy. i was quickinstal2.03 with kybd. they said to remove all mods before 2.52, i did... except i forgot about the vk.... took it out (via preware), now when i try to install again, i get error 4 Sep 22 23:15:49 Mousey ^ Sep 22 23:16:03 do the bottom of that page and it goes all the way back to factory radio settings Sep 22 23:16:03 :D Sep 22 23:16:20 just trying to get vk back cuz the new version looks awesome, and the vk was great to use in the first place Sep 22 23:16:54 bmarks3: hold your my little pwnies, we're almost done Sep 22 23:17:26 dude takes forever to boot Sep 22 23:17:26 XD Sep 22 23:18:15 Tilton53: yah i hate that Sep 22 23:18:30 it's all Luna Sep 22 23:18:38 bmarks3: ok, type this: Sep 22 23:18:48 Yeah I had that feeling bpadalino Sep 22 23:18:50 okay Sep 22 23:18:57 84% on my restore Sep 22 23:18:58 ;x Sep 22 23:19:01 linux is up in a couple seconds .. i think less than 5 Sep 22 23:19:16 oh, i have an idea: Sep 22 23:19:49 yep, trying to install via preware... script for vk after installation prompt says Patch Error Installing [4] :( Sep 22 23:21:00 bmarks3: following along in pm? Sep 22 23:21:36 -.- Sep 22 23:21:43 Got it :D Sep 22 23:26:16 drinksoy: it's especially cool with haptics turned on Sep 22 23:26:21 (i suggest 45ms) Sep 22 23:26:40 im worry? Sep 22 23:26:44 *sorry? Sep 22 23:27:01 oh Sep 22 23:27:04 when you hit a key on the vk, the phone vibrates Sep 22 23:27:05 vk vibrations? Sep 22 23:27:07 bzzt Sep 22 23:27:08 dammmmmmmmmmmmat Sep 22 23:27:09 lol Sep 22 23:27:09 mmmm, sexy Sep 22 23:27:12 any ideas Sep 22 23:27:17 yes, wait your turn Sep 22 23:27:20 ^_^ Sep 22 23:27:23 Patch Error Installing [4] :( Sep 22 23:27:25 actually, do you have novaterm? Sep 22 23:27:25 haha Sep 22 23:27:27 rgr that Sep 22 23:27:31 i dont Sep 22 23:27:34 downloaded the sdk Sep 22 23:27:35 step one, get it Sep 22 23:27:36 hang on Sep 22 23:27:38 cant find novaterm in it Sep 22 23:27:55 i think i missed something Sep 22 23:28:04 (well obviously... lol crap) Sep 22 23:28:25 http://www.kludgesoft.com/c64/nt10.html is that it? Sep 22 23:28:59 mousey Sep 22 23:29:01 i got it!!! Sep 22 23:29:13 brb let me go try n fiddle Sep 22 23:29:16 noob to the rescue. Sep 22 23:32:15 drinksoy: you got as far as root@castle? Sep 22 23:33:45 yeah Sep 22 23:34:00 typed sh /media/internal/clean_kb_files.sh but it did nothing Sep 22 23:34:03 just went to next line Sep 22 23:34:07 same castle prompt Sep 22 23:34:39 copy&paste doesnt seem to work in novaterm either lol Sep 22 23:35:29 windows users =P Sep 22 23:35:42 haha Sep 22 23:35:44 sorry Sep 22 23:35:49 anyways, erm what next Sep 22 23:35:50 lol Sep 22 23:35:54 drinksoy: when you finished typing that line and hit enter, did it just go back to the prompt with no message? Sep 22 23:35:56 * ashi__colo just drank some soy Sep 22 23:36:01 yeah Sep 22 23:36:02 it did Sep 22 23:36:14 went back to root@castle:/# Sep 22 23:36:18 no msg Sep 22 23:36:51 drinksoy: that means it worked Sep 22 23:36:56 but that's only 1 step of 3 Sep 22 23:37:08 you still need to replace the other two files mentioned in the forum post Sep 22 23:37:15 wtf i've lost a majortiy of my numbers again Sep 22 23:37:22 my palm profile saved ... one number Sep 22 23:37:25 thanks palm Sep 22 23:37:25 lol Sep 22 23:38:41 mousey: thats step 3 of 3 Sep 22 23:38:45 i replaced the other files Sep 22 23:38:52 or at least i think i did, thru quickinstal send file Sep 22 23:38:57 oh? then rm /media/internal/virtual-keyboard Sep 22 23:39:14 well you'll know if you did it right if the vk installs from preware just fine Sep 22 23:39:14 rm? Sep 22 23:39:23 trying again now Sep 22 23:39:25 if this works Sep 22 23:39:32 sorry, rm -rf /media/internal/virtual-keyboard Sep 22 23:39:32 im installing the ubuntu theme just for u man Sep 22 23:39:36 lol Sep 22 23:39:39 oh F*CK Sep 22 23:39:42 IT WORKED Sep 22 23:39:50 luna is restarting!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sep 22 23:39:55 AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAAAA Sep 22 23:40:14 good work Sep 22 23:40:29 SWeet all I had to do was that reset and it now works Sep 22 23:40:33 o.o Sep 22 23:40:58 now what works Sep 22 23:42:17 drinksoy: NOW go back to root@castle, and in /media/internal/virtual-keyboard/kb_config.json -- change haptic: 0 to haptic: 45 Sep 22 23:42:34 bmarks3 is about to reinstall too Sep 22 23:42:50 im gonna try Sep 22 23:43:25 ok so i type in novaterm rm -rf /media/internal/virtual-keyboard/kb_config.json -- change haptic: 0 to haptic: 4 Sep 22 23:43:37 drinksoy: aaaand you broke it Sep 22 23:43:44 what? Sep 22 23:43:53 rm -rf? i didn't say type that. Sep 22 23:43:54 i didnt type anything yet Sep 22 23:43:59 lol oh ok Sep 22 23:44:01 drinksoy: NOW go back to root@castle, and in /media/internal/virtual-keyboard/kb_config.json -- chang Sep 22 23:44:27 change it to 45 Sep 22 23:44:36 save it, restart luna, and bam Sep 22 23:44:42 says Sep 22 23:45:09 " /bin/sh: : not found " Sep 22 23:45:20 after /media/internal/virtual-keyboard/kb_config.json -- change haptic: 0 to haptic: 45 Sep 22 23:46:09 uh Sep 22 23:46:13 you have to call it with an editor Sep 22 23:46:26 and everyting after the -- is instructions for humans Sep 22 23:46:28 hmm, Sep 22 23:46:47 an editor? Sep 22 23:47:30 i tried " /media/internal/virtual-keyboard/kb_config.json " says permision denied Sep 22 23:48:14 yah Sep 22 23:48:34 *sighs* Sep 22 23:48:48 put pre into USB mode Sep 22 23:48:54 edit it on your PC Sep 22 23:48:56 do (without the quotes) "vi /media/internal/virtual-keyboard/kb_config.json" Sep 22 23:49:05 yah Sep 22 23:49:11 drinksoy: do what egaudet said Sep 22 23:49:21 egaudet: thanks for putting it there btw Sep 22 23:49:28 and not in var *gag* Sep 22 23:49:31 ;) Sep 22 23:49:49 thanks Sep 22 23:49:54 seriously where do u guys learn this stuff Sep 22 23:49:54 lol Sep 22 23:51:11 Mousey: update of services works fine in Preware 0.9.0 or later Sep 22 23:51:49 rwhitby: thanks, good to know. i thought i read somewhere 1.x but i'm not arguing ^_^ Sep 22 23:52:02 excuse me can someone help me unstall and reinstall the VK Sep 22 23:52:08 it gives me an error 4 Sep 22 23:52:21 Mousey and +egaudet awesome guys.... thanks so much for the help Sep 22 23:52:25 serotonin4: linux or windows? Sep 22 23:52:25 haptics is working Sep 22 23:52:27 vk is working Sep 22 23:52:31 drinksoy: 45! Sep 22 23:52:36 yep! Sep 22 23:52:38 45! Sep 22 23:52:39 so rocks Sep 22 23:52:40 windows Sep 22 23:52:54 you can set it up to 100 i guess, but it doesn't register buzzing lower than ~30 Sep 22 23:53:29 @mousey windows Sep 22 23:53:39 serotonin4: oh. well do you have novaterm? Sep 22 23:53:48 yes i do @mousey Sep 22 23:53:51 k Sep 22 23:53:59 can you get to root@castle ? Sep 22 23:54:00 lol Sep 22 23:54:06 yes i can Sep 22 23:54:09 damn mousey ur doing it all day Sep 22 23:54:26 :thumbsup: Sep 22 23:54:29 k, did you run clean_kb_files.sh Sep 22 23:54:32 ? Sep 22 23:55:33 serotonin4: did you run clean_kb_files.sh Sep 22 23:55:34 Mousey: we were previously saying before 1.0.0, and 0.9.0 is before 1.0.0 ;-) Sep 22 23:55:37 how do i do that Sep 22 23:55:41 sorry im a novice Sep 22 23:57:13 serotonin4: ok, the http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/198051-screen-keyboard-bugs-functionality-enhancements-68.html#post1910190 page talks about where to get clean_kb_files.sh and the other two files youll need (palmInitFramework191_15.js and global.css) did you get those? Sep 22 23:57:59 Get the following 2 files from the WebOS 1.1.0 webos doctor image, and restore them to your Pre <=== how do i do that Sep 22 23:58:39 first you get the two files, then i'll tell you how to restore them.. otherwise i have to to it the Illegal(tm) way, and egaudet will yell at me ^_^ Sep 22 23:58:53 haha Sep 22 23:59:04 mousey u want me to take this one off ur hands Sep 22 23:59:06 how do i get the 2 files Sep 22 23:59:10 give back a little Sep 22 23:59:12 drinksoy: go for it Sep 22 23:59:19 serotonin4: do what drinksoy tells you Sep 22 23:59:22 serotonin ill PM u Sep 22 23:59:27 sure thing thanks drinksoy Sep 23 00:00:54 lol Mousey Sep 23 00:00:59 ^_^ Sep 23 00:01:02 http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v50/Grunt/classic_2009-22-09_162527.jpg?t=1253661982 Sep 23 00:01:04 i think bmarks got it working Sep 23 00:01:06 it didn't work for him hahahaha Sep 23 00:01:25 sampson: boo!! Sep 23 00:01:27 good try tho Sep 23 00:01:32 i noticed the cookies database is sqlite Sep 23 00:01:35 so i'm gonna go searching around in it Sep 23 00:01:40 you're a rock star Sep 23 00:03:02 mousey def just hooked me up Sep 23 00:03:11 my vk now works and its great Sep 23 00:03:19 bmarks3: ok so now all you have to do is USB drive your phone, look for a folder called virtual-keyboard, open (in notepad) the file called kb_config.json and change the haptic: 0 to haptic: 45 Sep 23 00:03:34 save it Sep 23 00:03:40 what does that do Sep 23 00:03:54 makes the onscreen keyboard bzzt when you hit a key Sep 23 00:03:59 feels good under teh fingers Sep 23 00:04:07 kinda like the storm Sep 23 00:04:14 or the voyager rather Sep 23 00:04:23 hmm, i guess, like the gDialpro or the vibe tweak for the dialpad Sep 23 00:06:15 and NEXT TIME, boys and girls, be sure to REMOVE vk, then INSTALL vk from Preware -- that is DON'T go thru WebOSQuickInstall again =P Sep 23 00:06:29 lol Sep 23 00:06:32 * Mousey thinks . o O ( like i did! ) Sep 23 00:06:53 mousey: how many Pre's have u gone thru Sep 23 00:07:07 actually i just got mine replaced yesterday for some physical damage Sep 23 00:07:30 TEP? Sep 23 00:07:37 TEP? Sep 23 00:07:42 the elite project? that's random Sep 23 00:07:43 the issurance thing Sep 23 00:07:52 where u have to pay $100 Sep 23 00:07:56 oh oh.. i donno, they just replaced it in-store Sep 23 00:07:56 to get a new phone Sep 23 00:08:03 o_O Sep 23 00:08:09 that is... unusually nice Sep 23 00:08:10 oh, nah. i introduced them to Preware, they were my friends after that Sep 23 00:08:15 ^_^ Sep 23 00:08:15 haha Sep 23 00:08:21 so what number is that for u Sep 23 00:08:32 2.. i went thru about 30 Treos before this Sep 23 00:08:35 im on #6...... and im kind of worried i have to go after #7 Sep 23 00:08:46 woah, wtf are you doing to your phones Sep 23 00:08:56 not me Sep 23 00:08:59 uh huh Sep 23 00:09:01 manufacturing process Sep 23 00:09:03 is horrible Sep 23 00:09:07 oreo twisting Sep 23 00:09:07 really Sep 23 00:09:11 screen defects Sep 23 00:09:11 ah Sep 23 00:09:14 hmm Sep 23 00:09:17 uneven slider gaps Sep 23 00:09:22 uh huh Sep 23 00:09:24 that get bigger and looser everyday Sep 23 00:09:24 wild Sep 23 00:09:29 now this one Sep 23 00:09:30 like a good hooker Sep 23 00:09:36 wait one sec, still helping serotonin Sep 23 00:09:38 k Sep 23 00:09:46 sheesh. i'm not taking drinksoy to vegas Sep 23 00:10:20 mousey appreciate all the help tonight, time for dinner, gotta run Sep 23 00:10:30 cheers Sep 23 00:11:31 so whats up, think nokia will buy palm? Sep 23 00:11:41 lol Sep 23 00:11:48 speaking of, i should get back to work too Sep 23 00:11:51 l8rs folks Sep 23 00:12:00 egaudet: thanks TONS for haptic keyboard! Sep 23 00:12:54 :D glad that you are here supporting now... don't leave :P Sep 23 00:18:00 mousey u cant leave yet Sep 23 00:18:05 im not done helping serotonin Sep 23 00:18:14 lol Sep 23 00:18:29 use the force luke Sep 23 00:19:51 i think i know why it didn't work now :3 Sep 23 00:20:30 * Mousey perks up Sep 23 00:22:31 ahhhh crap Sep 23 00:22:43 mousey i think sero is running into more problems Sep 23 00:22:45 hold on Sep 23 00:22:55 bah forgot to back up my ringtones Sep 23 00:22:56 lol Sep 23 00:23:30 I'm thinking of definitely starting fresh for the 1.2 update Sep 23 00:23:59 oxymoronish statement Sep 23 00:24:07 mousey serotonin4 typed sh /media/internal/clean_kb_files.sh Sep 23 00:24:10 and it gave him this Sep 23 00:24:19 cannot remove '/usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/submissions/191.15/templateskbselector.html':read-only file system Sep 23 00:25:09 rootfs_open -w ? Sep 23 00:25:14 is that the command ? Sep 23 00:25:23 i can never remember the mount command to reopen it Sep 23 00:25:32 mount -o remount,rw / Sep 23 00:25:35 therey ou go Sep 23 00:25:50 ^ is that towards me? Sep 23 00:25:58 indeed Sep 23 00:26:03 serotonin4 are you listening to them, they kno what theyre talking about Sep 23 00:26:05 with a read only file system, you need to make it writable Sep 23 00:26:09 before you can do stuff Sep 23 00:26:18 you should be root too Sep 23 00:26:26 i nvr got that one, how come he's getting it? Sep 23 00:26:37 how do i do that Sep 23 00:26:40 wait tho Sep 23 00:26:44 why should his palm be in ro? Sep 23 00:26:55 is it not in dev mode? Sep 23 00:27:29 serotonin4: does the term upupdowndownleftrightleftrightbastart ring any bells iwth you? Sep 23 00:27:40 it is already in dev mode Sep 23 00:27:43 k Sep 23 00:28:15 dev mode doesn't make it rw Sep 23 00:28:23 also, what does /templateskbselector.html have to do with the vk fix? Sep 23 00:28:23 does it? Sep 23 00:28:29 i don't think it does Sep 23 00:28:36 no it doesnt :( Sep 23 00:28:43 Mousey, it's part of the files being removed from the script I wrote to remove old keyboard files Sep 23 00:28:50 ooooh, k Sep 23 00:29:06 herm Sep 23 00:29:10 and it should be templates/kbselector/ Sep 23 00:29:14 i'm not good with url encoding Sep 23 00:29:15 %7B%22ThanxMsg%22%3A%200%7D Sep 23 00:29:20 but yea the script should work fine after in rw mode Sep 23 00:29:21 yikes Sep 23 00:29:25 i know it converst to {"ThanxMsg":?} Sep 23 00:29:28 what the hell is %200 Sep 23 00:29:30 mount -o remount,rw / Sep 23 00:29:38 sampson: its " 0" Sep 23 00:29:48 unless it isn't Sep 23 00:29:54 ah Sep 23 00:30:13 but i think its weird it's in ro mode Sep 23 00:30:22 * Mousey thinks context is for WUSSIES Sep 23 00:32:51 holy netsplits batman Sep 23 00:33:25 is that one of the servers chatzilla uses? Sep 23 00:33:25 re! Sep 23 00:33:34 get disconnected a lot on chatzilla Sep 23 00:34:19 wait, I'm on that server, heh Sep 23 00:35:21 hello Sep 23 00:35:23 anyone there Sep 23 00:35:41 yep Sep 23 00:36:01 i just came back to say thank you Sep 23 00:36:12 you got it working? Sep 23 00:36:13 i tried it one more time for the heck of it Sep 23 00:36:21 and it went through Sep 23 00:36:22 yay! Sep 23 00:36:28 also, turn on haptic Sep 23 00:36:33 its WORTH IT Sep 23 00:36:39 ^_^ Sep 23 00:36:42 thank you so very much Sep 23 00:36:48 i really appreciate everyone taking the time Sep 23 00:37:06 i was disappointed i wont be able to download the new update tonight Sep 23 00:37:09 just remember that when you see someone with a question, this is how open source works ;) Sep 23 00:37:24 yes serotonin4 do haptics like mousey said Sep 23 00:37:27 its awesome Sep 23 00:38:18 done ... it is thank you so very much Sep 23 00:38:19 serotonin4: haptics is easy, put the phone in USB Drive mode, look in the PALM PRE folder, open the virtual-keyboard folder, open the file kb_config.json in notepad, and on the line with haptic: 0 just change the 0 to 45, and save the file Sep 23 00:38:38 unmount the drive, and back in phone mode, your vk is now smothered in EXTRA AWESOME SAUCE Sep 23 00:38:49 lol Sep 23 00:38:58 cant i just do it via the tweaks Sep 23 00:39:04 not this one, sawry Sep 23 00:39:08 * Mousey looks at egaudet Sep 23 00:39:47 hi Sep 23 00:39:47 egaudet: what was the contest in the Palm Live? Sep 23 00:39:56 serotonin4: and repeat after me: "i will not use WebOSQuickInstall to mess with the virtual keyboard anymore" Sep 23 00:40:00 # of apps realeased when? Sep 23 00:40:06 Win something I think screen protector for guessing number of apps released on thursday or whatever Sep 23 00:40:13 oh Sep 23 00:40:19 will somebody PLEASE RELEASE A JABBER CLIENT! Sep 23 00:40:22 i'm dying here ;_; Sep 23 00:40:31 lol i will not use webosquickinstall to mess with the virtual keyboard anymore for sure Sep 23 00:40:36 so thursday's agonna be a big day Sep 23 00:40:41 serotonin4: good person! Sep 23 00:41:26 Mousey is good, that's what 3 successful keyboard supports in a row? Sep 23 00:41:32 o_O wat?! Sep 23 00:41:38 freenode-connect [freenode@freenode/bot/connect] requested CTCP VERSION from drinksoy: Sep 23 00:41:42 what is that Sep 23 00:41:45 2.5, drinksoy did all the heavy lifting on the lsat one Sep 23 00:41:46 do i have to remove this before the update? Sep 23 00:41:56 probably Sep 23 00:41:59 ahahaha Sep 23 00:42:01 all yer tweaks too Sep 23 00:42:05 crap on us Sep 23 00:42:12 ok see u again mousey after 1.2 drops Sep 23 00:42:13 LOL Sep 23 00:42:14 oh they'll be back Sep 23 00:42:18 drinksoy: lol, rt? Sep 23 00:42:26 rt? Sep 23 00:42:30 RighT Sep 23 00:42:34 haha Sep 23 00:42:40 i'm a lazy typer Sep 23 00:42:44 but whateva Sep 23 00:42:58 mousey have u made any of the stuff we are using Sep 23 00:43:06 are u the mastermind behind it all Sep 23 00:43:08 nopers, i'm just a sysadmin Sep 23 00:43:12 anyone here have expired classic? Sep 23 00:43:17 you SHOULD remove the keyboard before update, but I made it with the update in mind so it shouldn't cause any issue if you don't Sep 23 00:43:27 what egaudet said Sep 23 00:43:28 hm... your not joerge are you? Sep 23 00:43:39 i have a friend named joerge thats a sysadmin with a Pre Sep 23 00:43:49 drinksoy: lol. there's gotta be a few of us Sep 23 00:43:54 ahaha Sep 23 00:44:14 maybe 1 or 2 ;) Sep 23 00:44:45 my sole contributions so far are walking people thru stuff, generally popularizing preware among sprint store employees (with pres) and whining about a lack of jabber client Sep 23 00:45:03 its sad that spring employees dont kno about it Sep 23 00:45:15 drinksoy: sad perhaps, but not unexpected Sep 23 00:45:31 how do u do the red text direct message like that Sep 23 00:45:34 whats the syntax Sep 23 00:45:38 @? Sep 23 00:45:50 lotsa hacks for lotsa fones.. and apple/microsoft/google/nokia STILL haven't realized just how bad palm is kicking them in the balls yet Sep 23 00:46:11 drinksoy: when i say your name? Sep 23 00:46:18 yeah oh Sep 23 00:46:24 Mousey: does this show up red for u Sep 23 00:46:33 no yellow, but you got the right idea Sep 23 00:47:03 wait till someone busts out with the mirc colors Sep 23 00:47:08 ^_^ Sep 23 00:47:12 hehh Sep 23 00:47:22 * Mousey uses xchat tho Sep 23 00:48:52 anyways yeah like i was saying earlier, i might have to go get Pre #7.... audio cuts in and out when i take calls, if i move the slider around or vary the pressure holding it to my ear Sep 23 00:49:04 lol, pre #7 Sep 23 00:49:06 i dont want to have to exchange AGAIN, but its getting difficult Sep 23 00:49:15 yeah Xyg... #7 :( Sep 23 00:49:30 lol i read on the forums someone is on #11 and #12, and i laughed at them Sep 23 00:49:33 im not laughing anymore.... Sep 23 00:49:44 I'm still *knock on wood* Sep 23 00:49:45 on my first Sep 23 00:49:46 lol Sep 23 00:49:51 punzada: ditto Sep 23 00:50:56 so im guessing u guys are all rooted.... is there any way to disable the wifi turning off when the phone locks Sep 23 00:51:09 I use the timepiece app Sep 23 00:51:09 or get the youtube app to continue working in the background when you have a different card up Sep 23 00:51:15 it keeps the screen on Sep 23 00:51:17 but then ur screen stays on Sep 23 00:51:24 yeah im thinking of using that Sep 23 00:51:59 also, the notifications coming on while ur on a call, if ur getting AIM msgs.... its like BLAM BLAM BLAM in ur ear Sep 23 00:52:00 i'm trying to see how much I can get away with using just preware right now since i just reinstalled Sep 23 00:52:02 kind of driving me nuts Sep 23 00:52:04 lol Sep 23 00:52:11 does the openssh package really only work over wifi with the scripts on it? Sep 23 00:52:16 thats pretty lame i fso Sep 23 00:52:17 if so* Sep 23 00:52:31 id rather just install from ipkg-opt and configure it myself ;x Sep 23 00:57:00 punzada: where can i get ipkg-opt? Sep 23 00:57:05 maybe i should just google Sep 23 00:57:06 nm Sep 23 00:57:09 seey'all! Sep 23 00:57:19 later Sep 23 00:57:21 thanks again mousey Sep 23 00:57:22 lol follow the enabling linux steps on the wiki Sep 23 00:57:25 and all Sep 23 00:57:31 l8s Sep 23 00:57:33 the second step involves settping up optware Sep 23 00:57:35 punzada: thanks Sep 23 00:57:40 although i believe you can just do that with preware now Sep 23 00:57:44 damnit Sep 23 00:57:45 lol Sep 23 00:59:30 hey guys Sep 23 01:01:16 http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gO4hyk2k4CHsa4p1yIhqRAH7gD1gD9ASMQ803 Sep 23 01:01:26 so the USB-IF ruled against Palm Sep 23 01:02:00 good Sep 23 01:02:09 moving people away from that shitty bloatware the better Sep 23 01:02:10 >> Sep 23 01:02:33 And warned Palm that *they* are in violation if they continue to use Apples vendor ID Sep 23 01:02:38 mousey: you around? Sep 23 01:02:39 fffuuuuu Sep 23 01:02:47 i'm like 99% positive i know how to crack this app now Sep 23 01:04:32 lol Sep 23 01:12:31 Anyone wanna buy a windows 7 RTM Ultimate key? Sep 23 01:14:16 same bios workaround works for 7 as vista pretty much >> Sep 23 01:31:26 BOOOOOOOOM Sep 23 01:31:33 cracked classic for reals this time :) Sep 23 01:31:59 wrong irc channel dontchathink? Sep 23 01:35:06 you know this is logged .. right ? Sep 23 01:35:53 egaudet: any chance that backspace issue in the browser will ever be resolved? Sep 23 01:36:20 tlp, it's high on the priority list Sep 23 01:36:29 Going to have to reverse engineer hidd first Sep 23 01:36:57 ah Sep 23 01:37:20 unfortunately that seems like the best place to use an on-screen keyboard :) Sep 23 01:39:49 If anyone discloses how to crack a commercial app in this channel I would be forced to kick-ban them permanently. I know no one is intending to do that, just letting everyone know that doing such a thing is just not cool here and will not be tolerated. Sep 23 01:46:36 cant believe i missed the palm cast Sep 23 01:46:36 ugh. Sep 23 01:47:36 only problem ive ever had was dead pixels Sep 23 01:49:33 only problem with your Pre? Sep 23 01:49:43 I've had mine for two months or so and haven't had any issues Sep 23 01:55:02 I would like to send thanks to the creators of the VK Sep 23 01:55:03 XD Sep 23 01:55:06 It's nice Sep 23 02:00:19 hey yall, has anyone used the app remotewin? and have they been able to get ssh to work? Sep 23 02:01:54 Never used remotewin, I do use ssh though. Sep 23 02:02:16 remotewin w/ ssh Sep 23 02:02:46 I dont allow anything but ssh through my network Sep 23 02:03:13 any help would be great! I cant seem to get it to work Sep 23 02:09:17 I expect remotewin is not port forwarding friendly, being a proprietary non-VNC protocol and all ... Sep 23 02:09:48 anyone familiar with mytether? Sep 23 02:10:14 http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/201037-prevnc-22.html#post1906536 Sep 23 02:10:21 and ideas rod? Sep 23 02:10:52 Joesmith: I just told you 4 lines up Sep 23 02:11:44 yes thank you but do you have any ideas on more ways to test it? Sep 23 02:12:05 i installed mytether and now i have a service "to control various" and i cant read the rest. its from mytether. i uninstall it and it installs itself right back, this is in preware. Sep 23 02:14:55 Hey Sep 23 02:17:09 hey kesne great show, any word on palm for accepting your app? Sep 23 02:17:19 Nope Sep 23 02:17:29 Thats too bad Sep 23 02:17:47 I was hoping to see it on thursday Sep 23 02:18:07 Me too Sep 23 02:19:17 phiqtion: what is the name of the service? Sep 23 02:19:36 phiqtion: things don't automatically install themselves in preware ... Sep 23 02:24:13 service to control various... and it keeps going but it doesn't fit on the screen. its coming from mytether Sep 23 02:24:37 rwhitby Sep 23 02:25:08 phiqtion: what is the name or package id of the service? Sep 23 02:25:39 how are you seeing the thing which doesn't fit on the screen? which app are you using to view it? Sep 23 02:25:54 im using preware Sep 23 02:26:19 it seems its part of a auto-installer of mytether 1.5 Sep 23 02:26:24 phiqtion: so preware has a screen with lots of information about everything that is installed, including the answers to the questions I have asked you. Sep 23 02:26:38 i know, give me a sec. Sep 23 02:26:39 what is the name of the autoinstaller, and where did it come from? Sep 23 02:26:47 ok Sep 23 02:27:02 the pre isn't known for fast boot up time Sep 23 02:28:36 rwhitby: net.aonic.tether , that's the ID Sep 23 02:29:57 rwhitby: ca.canucksoftware.mytetherinstaller - when i installed this, the other service installed itself without my consent Sep 23 02:31:25 phiqtion: yes, that's expected. it's done in the script which Preware gave you the option to view when you installed the mytetherinstaller - you pushed Yes to give your consent. Sep 23 02:32:47 rwhitby: i viewed the script before OK this, and installing that service wasn't part of it. Sep 23 02:34:38 anyone here try emoney's new script to fix vk md5 mismatch errs? Sep 23 02:35:15 phiqtion: just looked at the postinstall script for ca.canucksoftware.mytetherinstaller, and the first 6 lines install the service Sep 23 02:35:47 rwhitby: what does this service do? i uninstall it and it keeps coming back. Sep 23 02:36:17 phiqtion: I doubt that it can keep coming back. How are you uninstalling it, and what indicates that it is back? Sep 23 02:36:53 phiqtion: you will need to ask the mytether author what the service does - it's closed source so I can't look at it to see if it's safe or not. Sep 23 02:37:25 I personally wouldn't install any services on my pre that are closed source, since you can't tell if they have a trojan in them or not, but that's just me. Sep 23 02:38:27 rwhitby: when i remove it, "application removal probably not completed" and then java restarts Sep 23 02:39:03 rwhitby: preware unlists it, 5 mins i check back in preware and it's installed again. Sep 23 02:39:21 phiqtion: ah, you'll need to talk to the mytether author about that then. Sep 23 02:39:38 or try webos quick install to remove it - maybe that can get around what the author has done Sep 23 02:40:52 ok thx Sep 23 02:43:31 hey guys, can I run the script in clean_kb_files.zip in the terminal app right on the pre instead of loading novaterm on my pc? Sep 23 02:44:44 amrcc: sure Sep 23 02:46:29 k. That is what I thought. guess i could try the first line by hand first then push the script thru if that works. Sep 23 02:47:40 oh great...pre batt just ran out...guess I'll try in a few mintues when it charges up. Sep 23 02:47:58 so whats the first thing you are going to do with your pre rod, besides get around the profile Sep 23 02:48:22 whats goin on every1 Sep 23 02:48:54 tryin to fix my vk Sep 23 02:49:01 i got a chance to check out some of the podcast over @ precentral earlier and i heard a little something about video at internals? Sep 23 02:51:09 video recording* Sep 23 02:51:18 rwhitby: removing this with webOSquickinstall "seems" to have fix the problem, it didn't run any script and it didn't restart java. maybe it just removed the entry from preware? Sep 23 02:51:42 i restarted my pre and it didn't reinstall again. Sep 23 02:52:13 phiqtion2: it would have run a script in the background - WebOS Quick Install doesn't get your consent first or give you any way to view the script (which I personally consider to be a problematic vector for security vulnerabilities). Sep 23 02:52:59 i see.. Sep 23 02:53:01 phiqtion2: I expect it was never really uninstalling, but Preware was getting an incorrect return status from the service's removal script Sep 23 02:53:30 phiqtion2: if you unpack the ipkg file (using 'ar' and 'tar') you can see the script in the CONTROL directory in control.tar.gz Sep 23 02:54:40 rwhitby: whatever it was i feel safer not being there. Sep 23 02:55:29 phiqtion2: my understanding is the 1.5 version of the mytether service is fine. earlier versions opened a huge security hole allowing any rogue webos application to run any command as root. Sep 23 02:55:59 note that I believe mytether requires the service to run (again it's closed source, so no way to verify that0 Sep 23 02:58:14 i just donated and got the new version, but i can't install it because it requires an active data connection on the pre while installing. sadly my pre lacks this due to no coverage where i live at since i recently moved and no wifi yet. but i did get an airave which i plan on installing as soon as i get internet service down here. any thoughts on airave and the pre? Sep 23 02:59:28 i'm connected to the net with EVDO, it would be nice if i could share my laptop's connection to my pre. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Sep 23 02:59:58 2009