**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 23 02:59:58 2009 Sep 23 03:08:03 wow blockchaulk is really cool Sep 23 03:08:15 too bad nobody around here localy is cool enough to have used it Sep 23 03:15:47 anyone wanna buy a legit windows 7 ultimate retail key ? Sep 23 03:16:07 Cost? Sep 23 03:19:52 ughh, im tire Sep 23 03:19:52 s/tire/tired/ Sep 23 03:19:52 Decimation_ meant: ughh, im tired Sep 23 03:20:39 Decimate: ??$$?? Sep 23 03:21:17 phiqtion2: are you talking about REVERSE tethering? Sep 23 03:21:20 'cause you can do that. Sep 23 03:21:33 connect the pre to the laptop and use the laptop's internet connection.... Sep 23 03:27:29 anyone else get a md5sum mismatch for the virtual keyboard? Sep 23 03:27:51 just running emoneys script did not fix vk. Will try to replace palmInitFramework191_15.js and global.css with term and will report Sep 23 03:29:08 v3ritas: if you get that, you have previously patched framework. Sep 23 03:29:22 you will need to replace the framework file with a fresh copy Sep 23 03:29:29 which you can extract out of the doctor Sep 23 03:29:30 okay, thanks rick Sep 23 03:33:49 does anyone know how i can check if mytether on my pre is ready for the update or do i have to remove it? Sep 23 03:35:51 you'll have to check at their forum Sep 23 03:36:03 anyone here familair with a manual removal of virtual keyboard in order to the get the VK to install using preware or WebOS Quick Install, I tried all I could find on the forums, and keep getting this mesage using quick install : "org.webosinternals.virtual-keyboard.postinst (err1)" Sep 23 03:38:07 mike_pre: latest version of quick install should give you a better error message ... Sep 23 03:39:11 mike > I am in the middle of testing a quick way to replace the framework file to see if that works.... Sep 23 03:41:39 i just ran with 2.52 Sep 23 03:41:43 and got a MD5 mismatch Sep 23 03:43:08 that is the error when the framework is hosed...will let you know if I can replace the file directly on the pre.... Sep 23 03:43:57 gotcha, i think i had it installed at one point using quilt, and then tried preware, and then a few more tries...so i can easily believe that it is hosed.... Sep 23 03:45:11 sorry for the dumb question: i replaced the two files, I'm now being asked "kbchars_fulltable.json, which already exists! Assume -R [n]" should i type yes? Sep 23 03:46:43 mike_pre, if you had it with quilt and it never succeeded with preware you can quilt pop it Sep 23 03:46:52 and then try preware again Sep 23 03:47:07 quilt pop didn't work for me Sep 23 03:47:34 i tried quilt pop as well...but by the time I did it, and did a quilt series or quilt applied, it was no longer listed there... Sep 23 03:47:42 http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=1910190 Sep 23 03:48:10 when i replace palmInitFramework191_15.js will I lose my other tweaks? Sep 23 03:48:23 i went into the patch file and looked at all the files it modifies and went back to the orig from the webos.jar file in hopes that it would be back to its orig state.....but that didnt work eieher, I am trying to get my pre ready for 1.2 Sep 23 03:48:50 i replaced that file and still have my other tweaks....well the ones I have looked at Sep 23 03:48:52 since Sep 23 03:49:06 1.2 will automatically fix this as long as the vk is the only thing that is hosed Sep 23 03:49:44 i am just being inquisitive and tryin to learn how all this kewl stuff works. Sep 23 03:50:05 anyone know if the pre can access an AD HOC network via my laptop? Sep 23 03:50:41 am tryin to fix vk md5 mismatch error directly on the pre (no pc involved) Sep 23 03:51:32 i just figured that if I broke down the .patch file and replaced all the files it modified during the patch, then it would be able to be applied with no probelm, Sep 23 03:52:32 mike_pre, yea there are only 2 files it modifies and a bunch it creates Sep 23 03:52:44 check the link i sent you, it lists the 2 files that need to be from the stock 1.1.0 image Sep 23 03:53:08 yep, those 2 that i replaced are now both from 7/17 same date as all the other ones in the directory.... Sep 23 03:53:24 amrcc, without a PC that will be really difficult to fix unless you have the files backed up before they were patched Sep 23 03:53:41 and then i wiped out the kbselector directory as well since i didnt see it in the orig final zip Sep 23 03:54:29 I copied the files to the usb root and am trying to copy them to where they are supposta go with the terminal app. Sep 23 03:54:29 the post ^^^ lists all the files that are created by the patch, rm -f them all in case they exist and then you should be good to install (assuming preware sees keybaord as not installed yet) Sep 23 03:54:34 i just thgought of something Sep 23 03:54:57 can someone check the date in the zip file for the file /usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/builtins/palmInitFramework191_15.js Sep 23 03:55:03 I already ran the emoney script that way and cleaned up all the other files Sep 23 03:55:08 md5sum it mike_pre Sep 23 03:55:23 Saturday, ‎July ‎18, ‎2009, ‏‎12:24:25 AM Sep 23 03:55:29 <-- emoney Sep 23 03:55:54 amrcc, are you still having issues after removing all the files and replacing the 2 stock ones? Sep 23 03:56:02 rwhitby: I wonder how to make the dfbadapter stuff not to mess up with webos but use its existing libs, any ideas? Sep 23 03:56:17 am still working on replacing the files. Sep 23 03:56:45 cdc04cac97e7c80362ca60c82a4d22c7 palmInitFramework191_15.js Sep 23 03:56:48 do we need to replace both of those files or just the framework one? Sep 23 03:56:54 that was from the console on the pre... Sep 23 03:57:14 ameng: if you use -rpath with /opt/lib, then it will look there first for libs, and then in the normal system places Sep 23 03:57:47 ameng: so no need to replace any Palm libs, just add new ones in /opt/lib and compile executables that should use the new libs with -rpath /opt/li Sep 23 03:57:49 b Sep 23 03:57:56 and that MDM matches what the Quick Install is telling me....so the file I have on there is iether wrong or the VK thinks that it should be different Sep 23 03:58:22 mike_pre that is not the stock 1.1.0 file's md5sum Sep 23 03:59:06 thats what I am thinking now....ya know what, i think i opened the 1.2 stock file....let me find the 1.1 file...and grab the files from there Sep 23 03:59:11 how can i give my pre internet access via bluetooth from my laptop? Sep 23 04:01:59 0e5cbf40b9d2f9856600169cc690200e *./usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/builtins/palmInitFramework191_15.js Saturday, ‎July ‎18, ‎2009, ‏‎12:24:25 AM Sep 23 04:02:32 rwhitby: then i need to modify all the Makefiles? Sep 23 04:03:29 cfefea45f252b28e62cbd719bdc358d6 *./usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/submissions/191.15/stylesheets/global.css Saturday, ‎July ‎18, ‎2009, ‏‎12:21:47 AM Sep 23 04:06:41 is there somewhere on the precentral site that has the 1.1.0 weboOS.jar....for some reason, the file I have in mine is showing the wrong checksum for that file Sep 23 04:10:19 amrcc, those are correct Sep 23 04:11:24 ameng: probably just the final link step, but I'm not sure. Sep 23 04:11:57 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions Sep 23 04:12:44 almost have it...typin on the bitty baby kbd makes typin those long dirs awefully fun... Sep 23 04:15:10 lol I'll bet Sep 23 04:15:33 rwhitby: oh, if so , so many file need to be modified, is there a method to just modify the compiled binaries? Sep 23 04:16:48 ameng: dunno Sep 23 04:17:16 need to take a look, heh Sep 23 04:23:07 grrrr...looks like it won't let me replace the palmInitFramework191_15.js from terminal... Sep 23 04:23:51 amrcc, why not? Sep 23 04:23:55 mount -o rw,remount / Sep 23 04:24:58 did that...it the global.css file worked...but i get no error doin the cp ... but the file still has date that i installed vk on it Sep 23 04:28:56 k...nuf of this typin on the bitty kbd...gonna try qi to cp the file Sep 23 04:30:06 Okay i got the app catalog into the emulator Sep 23 04:30:20 but i cant get it to list any apps.. any ideas folk Sep 23 04:30:53 i get... app catalog is unavaliable at this time Sep 23 04:31:19 I tried that two weeks ago mate Sep 23 04:31:31 it knows its the emulator Sep 23 04:32:21 did you get the app catalog unavailable try again later message to Sep 23 04:32:22 maybe i am pullnig the files out wrong, here is what I am doing, opening the webosdoctorp100ewwsprint.jar file, and extracting the WebOS.tar file, and then opening the webo.tar file, and extracting nova-cust-image-castle.rootfs.tar.gz file, and pulling the files from this tar, is that correct? Sep 23 04:33:29 yep Sep 23 04:33:31 at first it worked and even almost started to download, but I think that was because I had put my data files from my phone on there so it was confused, then it gave me some device id error and now it says unavaliable Sep 23 04:33:32 yep Sep 23 04:35:10 i didnt get any errors like that.. odd Sep 23 04:35:19 i cant even get a list of apps Sep 23 04:35:35 the first time I got the list Sep 23 04:35:43 and was able to view the app page Sep 23 04:36:39 are you trying to work on getting around the annoying memory is full thingy Sep 23 04:36:53 ya sorta Sep 23 04:37:02 thats why I tried too Sep 23 04:37:17 ok qi won't overwrite the file either Sep 23 04:37:23 i wanted to see if i can download apps into emulator and then some how extract them out and manually put them in the pre Sep 23 04:37:50 so did you take the app out of your pre and repackage and install onto the emulator Sep 23 04:38:18 b4 I use qi to send a file like this do I have to mount -o rw,remount / from terminal on the pre Sep 23 04:38:33 what I do is download apps from the catalog, move them to my hard drive then, download more then put them back Sep 23 04:38:40 I dont need to repackage Sep 23 04:38:52 I am actually doing it right now lol Sep 23 04:38:57 qi says it sent the file Sep 23 04:39:01 no i ment how did you get the catalog app onto the emulator Sep 23 04:39:50 I dont put them on there ussually Sep 23 04:39:58 I dont see the purpose? Sep 23 04:40:19 but you can do it via winscp if you want to Sep 23 04:40:32 lol Sep 23 04:40:41 what? Sep 23 04:40:42 how did you put the app catalog onto the emulator Sep 23 04:40:50 oh via winscp Sep 23 04:41:30 how can i connect to the emulator using winscp? Sep 23 04:41:56 fire up winscp and use port 5522 unless you changed it Sep 23 04:41:57 ssh localhost:5822 or something like that, right? Sep 23 04:42:14 selct scp as the pro Sep 23 04:42:22 5522, right Sep 23 04:42:32 it is acting like the palmInitFramework191_15.js file is open so it won't replace it Sep 23 04:44:29 has anyone used pocket mirror? Sep 23 04:49:04 Alright Rod, what did you do to break Preware? Sep 23 04:50:44 krunk...can't get it to replace those two files. Sep 23 04:51:26 DeCiBeL: I put an if (username == DeCiBeL) in it ... Sep 23 04:52:00 Figures Sep 23 04:52:24 too bad it couldn't have been != Sep 23 04:52:39 can you guys get to http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Main_Page Sep 23 04:53:11 negative Sep 23 04:53:48 http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/webos-internals.org Sep 23 04:54:30 it traces and pings though Sep 23 04:55:05 WHich might be why Preware is stuck on "Updating" Sep 23 04:55:08 looking ... Sep 23 04:55:18 maybe webos-internals.org is running off a pre and they are tryin to fix the vk on it Sep 23 04:55:46 lol, serving a website off of a pre Sep 23 04:56:08 You can do it. Sep 23 04:56:14 apache runs on the Pre. :D Sep 23 04:56:20 yeah, apache is in optware Sep 23 04:56:42 Don't think it could handle 10,000 hits/hour like webos-internals.org though Sep 23 04:57:01 lighttpd as well, perhaps? Sep 23 04:57:27 perhaps Sep 23 04:58:18 yep, it is Sep 23 04:59:00 lol, optware on dd-wrt Sep 23 04:59:27 lol? Sep 23 04:59:46 optware is on over 20 different embedded routers, NAS devices and phones ... Sep 23 05:00:37 optware is nice stuff Sep 23 05:00:49 rwhitby, fix that there server Sep 23 05:01:15 DeCiBeL: working for me ... Sep 23 05:01:34 you must of hit that magic reboot buttonm Sep 23 05:01:43 \cuz my pings timed out for a second Sep 23 05:01:46 its workin now Sep 23 05:01:47 :) Sep 23 05:02:12 Preware is workin now too Sep 23 05:02:30 * oil cant git pull :/ Sep 23 05:02:38 so pull git! Sep 23 05:04:06 git pull is working here ... Sep 23 05:04:35 http://webos.pastebin.com/d301f6a27 Sep 23 05:04:56 rwhitby: i mean its amusing that you can install it on a simple router, i guess it is also kind of amusing but not as much that its on the pre/other phones Sep 23 05:05:05 oil: ah, yes - ka6sox did an openssh security upgrade the other day - the ssh key has changed. Sep 23 05:05:29 yeah but i accepted the key Sep 23 05:05:31 its still not workin Sep 23 05:05:32 gkatsev: most optware packages run on stuff with 8MB of flash and 32MB of ram Sep 23 05:05:44 the fingerprint i mean Sep 23 05:05:56 cool Sep 23 05:06:07 Do you all know when the Palmcast Live is usually avail for download? Sep 23 05:06:17 DeCiBeL: usually a day or two later Sep 23 05:06:23 MMk. Sep 23 05:06:29 I won't wait up then. Sep 23 05:06:38 gkatsev: smallest optware target is 4MB flash, 8MB ram Sep 23 05:06:42 and that includes the OS Sep 23 05:06:49 I had to bounce in the middle.. My sisters battery fubar'd and I had to go replace it for her. Sep 23 05:06:51 wow Sep 23 05:07:06 hmm - maybe 16MB ram - don't remember Sep 23 05:09:27 WOOT OFF!! Sep 23 05:10:04 night everyone Sep 23 05:10:10 * gkatsev -> sleep Sep 23 05:11:55 some of these apps that run in the background seem to be on auto-pilot lately. Sep 23 05:12:27 my phone is in airplane mode and I don't have that battery saver app active Sep 23 05:12:58 and the cell stalker one would make a notification that my loacation couldn't be found even when I didn't have that active Sep 23 05:20:42 has anyone had issues with virtual keyboard? Sep 23 05:20:44 i need to figure out what it does during install, so i can manually remove it :/ Sep 23 05:21:02 i tried to upgrade with quickinstall and it failed, and in preware it doesnt show as being installed now so i have no way of removing it Sep 23 05:21:39 did you remove the old version in preware before installing the new version? Sep 23 05:21:48 nope Sep 23 05:22:00 well that's what the instructions say to do, isn't it? Sep 23 05:22:18 preware didnt work it forced me to upgrade Sep 23 05:22:27 after i upgraded i was already fucked Sep 23 05:23:14 join the crown dude...we have it nailed down to replacing these two files as posted in the forums by emoney: Sep 23 05:23:18 so is there any list of what virtual keyboard does so i can reverse it Sep 23 05:23:37 link? Sep 23 05:23:42 ./usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/builtins/palmInitFramework191_15.js ./usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/submissions/191.15/stylesheets/global.css Sep 23 05:24:27 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/198051-screen-keyboard-bugs-functionality-enhancements-68.html#post1910190 Sep 23 05:25:14 thx Sep 23 05:26:25 you know if that script works? does it automatically get the two files i need to replace? Sep 23 05:27:11 follow each step on that post Sep 23 05:27:19 says alternate Sep 23 05:27:25 is that alternate to step 2? Sep 23 05:27:28 or to it all Sep 23 05:27:35 it says "Step 3 - altnerate" Sep 23 05:27:50 ph ok Sep 23 05:27:59 amrcc: I've added that link to the wiki page under the upgrade procedure Sep 23 05:28:58 can you give me a head start where in the extracted zip image those 2 files are? Sep 23 05:29:16 kewl. It has worked for a few people who have done the entire thing. I'm tryin to do it directly on the pre. Sep 23 05:30:05 0e5cbf40b9d2f9856600169cc690200e *./usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/builtins/palmInitFramework191_15.js Saturday, ‎July ‎18, ‎2009, ‏‎12:24:25 AM Sep 23 05:30:29 yup lookin Sep 23 05:30:32 cfefea45f252b28e62cbd719bdc358d6 *./usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/submissions/191.15/stylesheets/global.css Saturday, ‎July ‎18, ‎2009, ‏‎12:21:47 AM Sep 23 05:30:36 must be a few zips deep Sep 23 05:30:50 ohh I see...hang on a sec Sep 23 05:31:19 nova-cust image? Sep 23 05:31:23 webOS.tar.nova-cust-image-castle.rootfs.tar.gznova-cust-image-castle.rootfs.tar Sep 23 05:32:12 k thx Sep 23 05:40:00 btw seems to have typos on that site Sep 23 05:40:24 rm -f /usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/submissions/191.15/templates/kbselector/ch****lector.html Sep 23 05:40:27 not right Sep 23 05:41:12 do you have the proper one? I'll let emoney know. Sep 23 05:41:30 there is anything else in that dir Sep 23 05:41:33 isnt Sep 23 05:41:43 he listed 6 files at the end, there are 2 with typos Sep 23 05:41:59 but that folder has 6 total so its easy to figure out Sep 23 05:42:08 did you do the script or one line at a time? Sep 23 05:43:24 1 by 1 Sep 23 05:43:25 charselector-ls.html charselector.html Sep 23 05:43:32 i think those are the ones with ***'s Sep 23 05:44:39 hopefully that does the trick :/ Sep 23 05:56:26 shesh...i must be a drunknbass...the whole time I was replacing the file just fine. My and my nb unix ass didn't realize that the original file date won't be there like it is in windows. Duhhhh!...VK installed fine now. Sep 23 06:04:09 ko cya peeps...Will have emoney fix up his post and will add a post that you can fix vk via terminal app directly on the pre... Sep 23 06:22:30 Hey all... just grabbed linux access on my newly refurbed pre... to check what was left of org.webosinternals.services.... I haven't found anything (had my tether installed and uninstalled via preware), any advice on where I might further my search? Sep 23 06:23:28 Really the only file I have found was TetherService.jar under /usr/lib/luna/java Sep 23 06:25:30 whats good. Sep 23 06:26:41 notta... just scumming through these files looking around... any ideas? Sep 23 06:29:51 MLJones8: um, you don't want org.webosinternals.services Sep 23 06:30:06 it is a huge security hole. that's why it's been erased from the planet Sep 23 06:30:20 <- trying to remove all the files... I read your post and really appreciate the info Sep 23 06:30:40 look in /usr/lib/luna/java Sep 23 06:31:02 oh, TetherService.jar means you have the fixed version of mytether Sep 23 06:31:57 Well thats comforting... but I removed it via Preware and ... well I guess it left behind some files? Sep 23 06:32:22 what did you actually remove? Sep 23 06:32:41 * oil is redoing listing YET AGAIN Sep 23 06:32:48 TetherService.jar is from some net.aonic thing Sep 23 06:33:01 iptables based? Sep 23 06:33:32 rwhitby I removed what I had installed... after I got a refurb I loaded the 'list of everything' typed in mytether and click install.. Sep 23 06:33:45 shortly after I read your post and then went to installed packages and clicked remove Sep 23 06:34:07 Then tonight I gained linux access on my refurb to see if anything was left behind. Sep 23 06:34:12 MLJones8: I expect mytether doesn't remove it's services properly then Sep 23 06:34:20 rh: maybe time to consider union? Sep 23 06:34:37 rwhitby: :) Sep 23 06:35:02 rwhitby i don't see the service listed... so I guess my only option is to just search? Sep 23 06:35:51 I guess if its a 'safe' version then I'm not that concerned about a few kb left behind... Sep 23 06:35:52 MLJones8: I don't really have clear idea of what you have done and what you are doing. your explanations are all over the place. Sep 23 06:37:02 to remotely debug anything requires extreme clarity and precision of explanation, so that the remote person can gain a clear and precise picture of the previous and current state of your device. Sep 23 06:40:18 rwhitby: I'm on my second pre (this one is a refurb just received two days ago). I came home from sprint used webosQI to install Preware's service and APP... I then installed My Tether, the safe version 1.5, (but read your post about the security risk) then removed My Tether via Preware (not knowing it was a safe version)... Last night our conversation included someone stating that 'preware... Sep 23 06:40:22 ...might not have removed the service comptlely' and I would need linux access to verify it had. Today I gained linux access and went searching for files relating to mytether and/or org.webosinternals.services Sep 23 06:41:09 how did you install mytether version 1.5 ? Sep 23 06:41:56 The only file I found was TetherService.jar which I have already manually deleted... then you just mentioned it was the safe version anyhow. Sep 23 06:42:07 rwhitby Preware. Sep 23 06:42:27 MLJones8: using Jason's installer package? Sep 23 06:43:32 I'm unsure exactly... i loaded opened the Preware app went to list everyting and typed MyTether... which installed 'MyTether Installer'. Sep 23 06:43:49 MLJones8: the prerm script in ca.canucksoftware.mytetherinstaller removes the TetherService.jar file Sep 23 06:44:08 so if you had uninstalled that package, it would have removed that file Sep 23 06:44:33 how exactly did you remove My Tether via Preware ? Sep 23 06:44:47 To uninstall I went to 'Installed Packages' ... My Tether was listed and I clicked... remove? Sep 23 06:44:48 is there a log for ipkg/preware/etc.? Sep 23 06:44:54 specifically, which package did you remove? My Tether, or MyTether Installer? Sep 23 06:45:00 tmzt: no Sep 23 06:46:01 I only removed 1 package... and Neither are currently listed in the 'installed packages list' Sep 23 06:46:44 I removed it via Preware Yesterday... perhaps the uninstall script has been updated since then?? Sep 23 06:46:51 MLJones8: if you only removed one package, then you didn't remove the other two packages. Sep 23 06:47:42 you would have had three packages installed: net.aonic.my-tether, net.aonic.tether and ca.canucksoftware.mytetherinstaller Sep 23 06:47:55 I only removed 1 package... However I don't see anything related to MyTether via 'installed packages list' Sep 23 06:48:22 With that said I have manually deleted the .jar we spoke about earlier. Sep 23 06:48:57 TetherService.jar that is. Sep 23 06:52:44 rwhitby: would those be listed under 'installed packages' (via Preware) if your thinking they should be... I'm not seeing them (perhaps the uninstall script just missed one file? If thats even possible?) Sep 23 06:53:32 MLJones8: I have no idea what mytether does in it's closed source packages Sep 23 06:54:07 ..watching survivor tv, heh. Sep 23 06:54:12 I see. Sep 23 06:54:16 hi rw Sep 23 06:54:20 hi mlj Sep 23 06:56:39 wow I hate At&ts wifi.... Sep 23 06:58:20 rwhitby: I appreciate your knoweldge... truly after finding out about some security risks and that files are being left behind I'm about done with some of the homebrews... I only use enough to count on my fingers anyhow. I really am done with all the tweaks well besides the add launcher pages and rotate e-mail. Sep 23 06:59:12 I'm not saying that all homebrews are unsafe... But I think its clear which developers may have slightly more expertise than others... ya know? Sep 23 06:59:17 MLJones8: well, let's just say that some non-webos-internals developers are not so meticulous about cleaning up after themselves when uninstalling their packages ... Sep 23 06:59:53 it's one thing to be able to get a Pre to do something, it's another thing to be able to get it to do it securely, safely, and cleanly. Sep 23 07:00:19 rwhitby: I understand that now... I'm not sure about you, but I keep a clean House, Car and life... and would prefer to keep it that way in all aspects. Sep 23 07:03:19 For the record /usr/lib/luna/java is clean... Does preware specify where to install packages? Or is that left to the developers to choose? Sep 23 07:04:01 that is all determined by the ipkg file contents and the postinst script which Preware allows the user to view before consenting to running it Sep 23 07:07:56 rwhitby: good to know (some of this terminology is over my head... I'm a mba accountancy student, not a programmer) but I can interpret those commands from the viewable script... I will see if any of those files are on my Pre. Sep 23 07:23:44 rwhitby: I had to click Install (in Preware) for the My Tether Installer to view the script... it took a few seconds before the msg came up for me to view it... had more files been installed or are all these files I'm finding installed previous to viewing the script? Sep 23 07:26:23 MLJones8: all files under /var are installed before the script is shown Sep 23 07:28:15 Good, thats the only place I've found them so far Sep 23 07:35:01 The only file not in a /var directory was in /ect/event.d So I suppose I'm all cleaned up rwhitby thanks again for the info/help. Sep 23 07:37:56 Looks like Dieter got an anonymous tip that 1.2 has been delayed... Sep 23 07:38:42 delayed MORE? Sep 23 07:39:11 by an anonymous tipster check his blog... or precentral.net's main page whatever you want to call it. Sep 23 07:41:55 I suppose time will tell. Sep 23 07:44:28 huh Sep 23 07:45:07 ? Sep 23 07:45:13 i wonder why the delay Sep 23 07:46:12 is there a tutorial on ircd-hybrid_7.2.2-1_arm.ipk installation using ipkg install? Sep 23 07:46:12 Your guess is as good as mine... not enough workers/testers I suppose is the most logical reason. Deadlines are often hard to reach ya know. Sep 23 07:48:16 I don't really see how they can launch a bunch of new apps on a new version of WebOS... one could only imagine there would be conflicts, right? Sep 23 07:48:56 rwhitby: let me know what you think of the changes to the group-filtering in 091 (that i just pushed) Sep 23 07:49:00 what apps? conflicts with what? Sep 23 07:50:06 Well the paid apps .. that were planned for the week. Sep 23 07:52:52 History typically repeats it self... when there were only a handful of apps available and 1.1 got pushed out there were conflicts with SplashID... I can only imagine that with a newer version of WebOS and a bunch of apps that it would happen again, Do you not agree? Sep 23 07:53:07 they've been pretty good at keeping backwards compatibility through the version Sep 23 07:53:28 though the change from 104 to 110 they removed html parsing in templates by default-- that caused me a couple of bugs Sep 23 07:53:40 SplashID? Sep 23 07:53:56 idk if they were doing something crazy Sep 23 07:54:18 tmzt: its a password manager via the Palm App Cat. Sep 23 07:54:19 you would think if they were going to break stuff they would release an updated emu ahead of time Sep 23 07:54:21 java might be part of the paid app thing Sep 23 07:54:24 Hello folks. Did I miss anything exciting today? Sep 23 07:54:44 oil, I would agree Sep 23 07:54:52 maybe a js to java compiler? Sep 23 07:55:00 which they may have done before that splashID failure Sep 23 07:55:16 all the homebrewers were still working on the leaked version of the emu when 1.1 dropped Sep 23 07:56:25 brb Sep 23 07:57:30 o Sep 23 07:57:38 I'm out take care all Sep 23 08:01:42 ohh Sep 23 08:01:53 * oil watches warehouse 13 Sep 23 08:12:55 So I'm guessing that's a "no" :p Sep 23 11:31:13 Good morning Sep 23 13:41:36 I guess I am the only lame-o up this early.. Sep 23 13:47:23 DeCiBeL: early? It's 9:46, most of us get into work at 8:00. Sep 23 13:48:36 LOL Sep 23 13:48:42 I'm off on Wednesdays. Sep 23 13:49:07 I have a luncheon at 11:30 though. So I had to get up somewhat early. Plus had to get the girls off to school. Sep 23 13:49:51 I woke up and almost threw my Pre across the room at the wall when I read the "rumor".. But oh well. Sep 23 13:49:58 Yea, I wouldn't even had to wake up. My boss had to do something this morning so I didn't come into work till 9:00. Sep 23 13:50:31 What rumor would that be? Sep 23 13:50:55 1.2 delayed another week Sep 23 13:51:03 to be released as 1.2.1 Sep 23 13:52:43 DeCiBeL: I kind of doubt that unless they update the app catelog seperately. Sep 23 13:53:14 http://www.precentral.net/rumor-webos-121-delayed-will-fix-itunes-sync Sep 23 13:53:55 that was posted just after 1AM Central US.. "chuq" was last seen on precentral.net at 10:10pm Central US. Sep 23 13:53:57 Yea, I read it... hmm not sure. Sep 23 13:54:23 I really don't care, just means I can keep my tweaks on there another week. Sep 23 13:54:40 But Palm was just starting to regain my trust in a phone developer. Sep 23 13:54:51 After years of broken promises with WinMo. Sep 23 13:55:37 I'm switching back over to winmo, the palm thing is only temperary fun. :) Sep 23 13:55:47 And to see this might be SPRINT delaying it so they can "test" it, well, that would just be peachy. Sprint is all about testing stuff, but they never fix anything. In fact, their testing never proves anything. I have seen more things "tested" by sprint that came out FUBAR'd. Sep 23 13:55:51 But we have a good year till WinMo7 Sep 23 13:56:07 I'll go back at WinMo7, maybe. Sep 23 13:56:50 i developed dozens of 6.5 leaked roms Sep 23 13:57:03 for my HTC TP and original HTC Mogul Sep 23 13:57:23 The onyl downside to WM, is it is extremely bulky Sep 23 13:58:56 Someone should call Palm support and just str8 up ask them. Sep 23 13:59:53 But at least I got my Woot Off today Sep 23 14:00:37 6.5 is just a reskin. Windows Mobile 7 has been under development since like late 2006. It's most likely a full rewrite. Sep 23 14:01:14 Windows CE is still a great base, but they may have rewritten it since all new devices require a GPU. Sep 23 14:01:31 true Sep 23 14:08:46 you know Sep 23 14:08:53 i was excited about classic but after using it not so much Sep 23 14:08:57 pretty buggy app Sep 23 14:22:08 sampson: i tried using articulation on classic. it said there was no speaker or mic. lol. Sep 23 14:22:43 pssh only works if you use the ancient version that doesn't support proper random number generation Sep 23 14:22:50 and boo to webos 1.2 being pushed back Sep 23 14:23:04 patience is a virtue Sep 23 14:24:18 You could get 1.2 early, and then complain about all the things that are broken until 1.2.1 Sep 23 14:25:01 it's almost a shame the leak happened since now everyone wants 1.2 and expects it to happen yesterday Sep 23 14:27:19 Yeah, I see precentral say "we've been waiting a long time for 1.2" when 1.1 came out at I think the end of july? Sep 23 14:27:29 8 weeks or so flies by fast when you're working on something that big Sep 23 14:28:49 If they had a release every month or bi-weekly, people would start complaining Sep 23 14:29:53 I just wonder who the "anonymous tipster" is.. Sep 23 14:30:12 I would assume it would have to have been a developer that violated the NDA> Sep 23 15:39:47 egaudet, you around? Sep 23 15:41:52 yes Sep 23 15:47:33 im about to add in checks for pre-existing themes. Per our last convo, all I have to do is: exit "There is currently a theme installed" correct? Sep 23 15:49:15 that would return "there is currently a theme installed" to the app that called the routine to check Sep 23 15:49:45 right, so im guessing that preware would then show this user-friendly message isntead of a generic "there was an error" Sep 23 15:49:46 the info after exit is the 'status' of the exit routine Sep 23 15:49:52 AnOutsider, you'd want to do Sep 23 15:49:54 something like that would cause MORe issues Sep 23 15:49:57 echo "There is currently a theme installed" Sep 23 15:49:59 exit 1 Sep 23 15:50:03 egaudet_work: i think im gonna turn of pym.... no one is ever gonna use it and its just pissing off the higher ups Sep 23 15:50:07 yes, echo it out Sep 23 15:50:08 a/of/off/ Sep 23 15:50:09 then exit 1 Sep 23 15:50:19 egaud is cool Sep 23 15:50:19 ok, will do Sep 23 15:50:35 PYM? Sep 23 15:50:43 preyourmind.org Sep 23 15:50:47 ahhh Sep 23 15:50:53 :( Sep 23 15:50:58 :~( Sep 23 15:51:07 who is it pissing off by existing? Sep 23 15:51:44 AnOutsider, the echo will go to stdout which currently is displayed from preware in appmenu->ipkg log Sep 23 15:51:47 damn woot, 500 dollars knives following the 600 dollars ones last night? god Sep 23 15:52:14 I think there are plans at putting that stdout messages into the popup, but in v0.9.0 preware you get "error 4" or whatever Sep 23 15:52:15 Yeah, woot off is pissing me off Sep 23 15:52:19 and then have to go to ipkg log to see stdout message Sep 23 15:52:31 I was thinking, Man.. at leaswt I have Woot Off.. since I don't have 1.2 to look forward to. Sep 23 15:52:33 ahh, so nevermind then Sep 23 15:52:51 if people just see error 4, there'll be a million posts about themes not working and broken blah blah Sep 23 15:53:20 AnOutsider: im not about to start airing out dirty laundry here Sep 23 15:53:32 egaudet_work: how much shit do you have in the issue tracker? Sep 23 15:53:40 wash it first ahah Sep 23 15:53:46 wow, a lot Sep 23 15:54:17 PuffTheMagic, not much that isn't in the wiki. Most of the user-added stuff I want to mark as invalid lol Sep 23 15:54:24 lol Sep 23 15:55:39