**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Sep 26 02:59:58 2009 Sep 26 03:03:11 (didnt mean to interrupt your conversation) Sep 26 03:03:40 no conversation :) i was just learning how stupid i am Sep 26 03:12:47 tmzt, thank you for your encouragement, after about 15 minutes of basic man'ing/googling i actually understand the difference between HUP, INT, QUIT, and KILL :) Sep 26 03:19:07 I hate Windows!!!!!! Sep 26 03:19:15 just throwing that out there Sep 26 03:20:10 heh Sep 26 03:20:31 sO I am assuming you guys all use linux, correct? Sep 26 03:20:46 * oil uses windows on his workstation Sep 26 03:21:13 if I were to go to my linux box, would you be able to assist me at all in changing the SPC and cloning my ESN to my pre? Sep 26 03:21:21 I am getting desperate here haha Sep 26 03:21:45 cody_r, i didn't mean to lead you to believe everyone in this room uses linux. especially with windows 7 being such a decent experience Sep 26 03:22:22 cody_r, i think the main problem is people are uncomfortable, especially in this channel, dealing with SPC and cloning ESNs, legality and all Sep 26 03:31:45 zsoc: what's you experience with coding? Sep 26 03:32:17 kesne, like most here, i'd imagine is a long and complicated history Sep 26 03:32:32 or are you asking "hey what are you good at?" ;) Sep 26 03:32:36 lol Sep 26 03:33:01 Although, I can honestly say, I'm probably the only person in here with any serious experience with ColdFusion. I'm not happy or proud about that either Sep 26 03:33:20 my first programming experience would have to be with logo in elementary school Sep 26 03:33:57 logo? nice Sep 26 03:34:03 My first was actually LPC, if you know what that is. Sep 26 03:34:20 * oil googles it real fast to say "yes", but that would be a lie Sep 26 03:34:41 lol Sep 26 03:34:48 I do actually remember a little bit about logo :) Sep 26 03:34:55 the ltitle turtle Sep 26 03:34:58 making him draw shit Sep 26 03:34:59 xD Sep 26 03:35:15 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LPC_(programming_language) <-- you may be more familiar with "Pike", which is what is turned into Sep 26 03:35:25 yeah, i already reached that page xD Sep 26 03:35:41 a lot more complicated then logo, thats for sure Sep 26 03:35:42 haha Sep 26 03:35:45 ha, you search the tubes like me too, i like it Sep 26 03:35:49 7th grade, ah i remember it well Sep 26 03:35:57 lol Sep 26 03:36:09 logo was elementary school Sep 26 03:36:23 like 3-rd or 4th grade Sep 26 03:36:29 im not sure which one it was Sep 26 03:36:33 zsoc: ping Sep 26 03:36:38 just saw your message Sep 26 03:36:41 Yeah, I remember ... er.. 'seeing' logo.. maybe not working with it Sep 26 03:36:43 whats your question(s) Sep 26 03:37:23 PuffTheMagic, er.. what question did i ask again? Was it about java services? I'm trying to figure out how the /upstart script works that's in the webosinternals accelservice and pkg service Sep 26 03:38:17 the upstart script just starts the service Sep 26 03:38:42 zsoc: nothing special Sep 26 03:39:02 zsoc: except java services need a little more work to start than a normal binary Sep 26 03:39:10 cause of classpaths and shit Sep 26 03:40:27 hm. how exactly does the upstart script interact with the actual .java code? And where is the /upstart script placed by the postinst? Sep 26 03:40:43 it doesnt at all Sep 26 03:40:57 zsoc: there is nothing special about the upstart script Sep 26 03:41:34 the "java services" extend a class which extends a class which extends the Thread or Runnable class Sep 26 03:43:53 and the status ServiceMessage call in the service? Sep 26 03:44:10 ? Sep 26 03:44:30 *Message is probably related to a dbus message Sep 26 03:44:37 which is what services are based on Sep 26 03:44:43 I guess I didn't realize changing the ESN was that big of a legal issue Sep 26 03:44:52 this is new territory for me Sep 26 03:46:18 I just know I am sick of verizon's offerings for phones, and verizon is all this area has until AT&T changes all of Alltel's towers. and this region's terrain won't do so well with GSM radio Sep 26 03:46:19 PuffTheMagic, right. again, i apologize for asking questions about things slightly outside of my understanding... don't mean to be frustrating. Sep 26 03:46:34 cody_r, for the record, gsm has better penetration than cdma Sep 26 03:47:33 well from what I understood, they chose cdma in this reason because of our area Sep 26 03:47:43 but I'm no radio tech ^_^ Sep 26 03:47:47 cody_r, who's they? Sep 26 03:48:18 I live in the dakotas, and all the small pop up cell companies put cdma towers Sep 26 03:48:33 then alltel and verizon bought them up Sep 26 03:48:38 zsoc: you arent fustrating Sep 26 03:48:52 zsoc: it just feels like you are beating around the bush for what you really want to know Sep 26 03:49:22 I think it is just dumb thaT AT&T bought alltel for the region instead of Sprint. Now they have to change all of their towers Sep 26 03:50:01 PuffTheMagic, ah, i guess you misunderstand my motivation. i'm not necesarily trying to do anything in particular. I'm trying to understand the relationship between dbus, java services, and how they are build into webos applications. rod made a comment about how respawn is unnecesary to install a java service and upstart is a better option, just wrapping my head around the logistics Sep 26 03:50:04 can anyone at least point me in the right directs for getting the serial drivers working though? I am completely lost on it now Sep 26 03:50:35 cody_r, for the record, again, att bout alltell _TOWERS_, because it's illegal for verizon to own more than 44% of the coverage area, so they had to sell it off, and Sprint has no money to buy anything Sep 26 03:52:17 zsoc: respawn? Sep 26 03:52:24 http://i33.tinypic.com/330zhxf.png Sep 26 03:52:41 zsoc: you dont really need to involve "java" in this Sep 26 03:52:51 cause sercices work the same regardless of language for the most part Sep 26 03:53:16 all inter|intra application communication is over dbus Sep 26 03:53:16 PuffTheMagic, that's an important point i failed to grasp, thank you :) Sep 26 03:53:24 I see. Sep 26 03:53:27 so Sep 26 03:53:38 a service is just a normal daemon/app Sep 26 03:53:50 it listens on dbus for events addressed to it Sep 26 03:53:57 and responds accordingly Sep 26 03:53:57 or Sep 26 03:54:07 sends events Sep 26 03:54:10 messages Sep 26 03:54:13 and waits for a response Sep 26 03:54:29 i dont know exactly Sep 26 03:54:37 if there is anything special about luna Sep 26 03:54:43 with regards to dbus Sep 26 03:55:01 Ah, could you possibly explain more about the 'listens on dbus' part? Like a service can literally capture dbus output? Sep 26 03:55:26 zsoc: im not a dbus expert, buts its just like every other IPC Sep 26 03:56:02 zsoc: its sorta like a TCP broadcast Sep 26 03:56:06 everything is listening Sep 26 03:56:20 but only when things match does something do something with the message Sep 26 03:56:41 So I stop bugging people, would you have suggested reading for me possibly? Sep 26 03:57:13 zsoc: again, you arent bugging anyone,,, not me at least ;) Sep 26 03:57:33 zsoc: im not trying to blow you off either i just dont know as much as you might thing Sep 26 03:57:39 i just look at examples Sep 26 03:57:39 * oil is bothered xD Sep 26 03:57:43 and experiment Sep 26 03:57:46 and see what works Sep 26 03:57:55 and expand on what i learn Sep 26 03:58:24 PuffTheMagic, that's good advice, coming from the devil ;) Sep 26 04:05:23 zsoc: so on the service side... basically its just a bunch of methods that do certain tasks, then you make a list of those methods to tell luna/dbus about Sep 26 04:05:48 roight Sep 26 04:06:20 ROIGHT! Sep 26 04:06:25 * PuffTheMagic wonders if geist is being sarcastic Sep 26 04:06:37 ROIGHT! Sep 26 04:06:39 that Sep 26 04:06:43 that's the spirit Sep 26 04:06:55 mmm eliza dushku Sep 26 04:06:59 sorry Sep 26 04:07:00 mmm billy idol Sep 26 04:07:08 mesmerized atm. Sep 26 04:07:36 punzada, i prefer scarlett johanson, they are similar Sep 26 04:07:52 question is, do you feel lucky? Sep 26 04:07:55 punk Sep 26 04:08:35 you don't happen to own any firearms, do you geist ? Sep 26 04:08:39 they are similar? Sep 26 04:08:43 as in, they're both women? Sep 26 04:08:53 well, i *am* from texas Sep 26 04:08:57 Anybody here with serverside experience (and time) that would be interested in helping me out? Sep 26 04:09:02 so geist... i know the possibility of this is like <0.000000000000000001%.... but how about a bootloader config on the fs instead of on rom... so that defaults can be changed :) Sep 26 04:09:21 what kind of defaults? Sep 26 04:09:29 what parameters do you want to change? Sep 26 04:09:32 * oil helps kesne by linking him to google.com Sep 26 04:09:37 different cmdline opts.... Sep 26 04:09:46 oil: I need a serverside developer Sep 26 04:09:48 is the first thing that comes to mind Sep 26 04:09:53 well, youre in luck Sep 26 04:09:53 oil: not just help Sep 26 04:09:54 is it a paying position? Sep 26 04:09:57 lol Sep 26 04:09:58 Yeah Sep 26 04:10:13 look in the nvram, someone already dissaseembled it Sep 26 04:10:20 * oil would, but already has far too many things on his plate as it is Sep 26 04:10:22 theres a bootie environment section Sep 26 04:10:26 much like uboot Sep 26 04:10:50 oil: no worries :) Sep 26 04:11:04 its mostly empty, but anything saved in that section overrides the defaults Sep 26 04:11:40 oil: also grats on 42000 downloads Sep 26 04:12:02 * oil hasnt looked in a while Sep 26 04:12:03 lol Sep 26 04:12:04 geist do you have any keypad/fb drivers in booties... so that maybe we could boot to a bootloader and not need novaterm? Sep 26 04:12:19 s/booties/bootie/ Sep 26 04:12:20 PuffTheMagic meant: geist do you have any keypad/fb drivers in bootie... so that maybe we could boot to a bootloader and not need novaterm? Sep 26 04:12:42 oil: still not 83000, but you're getting there ;) Sep 26 04:12:55 yes and no Sep 26 04:13:06 yes as in yes, theres a full keyboard and console driver in bootie Sep 26 04:13:12 no as in for release builds its all turned off Sep 26 04:13:41 oil: my bad: almost 86000, hadnt looked for a bit Sep 26 04:14:01 can it be turned on or is it hardwired off Sep 26 04:14:10 hardwired off Sep 26 04:14:19 the release build of the bootloader has a lot of extra features turned off Sep 26 04:16:10 there's a surprise Sep 26 04:16:23 when i said hardwired i meant like hw switch Sep 26 04:16:35 no, its just not compiled in Sep 26 04:16:45 mostly to keep folks from stumbling into it and support costs Sep 26 04:16:49 not for anything nefarious Sep 26 04:17:09 and you can do almost everything via novaterm Sep 26 04:17:16 so having the console on bootie is just extra fluff Sep 26 04:17:27 only handy for debugging Sep 26 04:17:36 oh i know you can do a lot via novaterm... i was just hoping for a "normal" bootloader Sep 26 04:17:40 like grub Sep 26 04:17:48 graphical display... choice of kernels Sep 26 04:17:49 etc. Sep 26 04:17:52 mmmmm... grub Sep 26 04:17:59 yeah, its just disabled for release Sep 26 04:18:00 greg roll you around? Sep 26 04:18:12 i find it's always neccesary to choose kernels on my cellular telephone device Sep 26 04:18:21 ive been pushing to get it all open sourced, i think it would give uboot a good run for the money Sep 26 04:18:33 maybe some day it shall Sep 26 04:18:35 geist: please do! Sep 26 04:18:54 though a good portion of it already is, in the project it is based on Sep 26 04:19:14 i cant see what palm has to gain from keeping a bootloader private and closed Sep 26 04:19:27 private sure, closed no Sep 26 04:19:52 private would come in handy for hardware or stuff that we wouldnt be allowed to disclose Sep 26 04:20:03 really thats the primary reason we didnt use uboot Sep 26 04:20:29 and uboot is a pain in the ass Sep 26 04:20:40 it really is Sep 26 04:21:02 ive dealt with it in past companies and that was enough Sep 26 04:21:07 SMKOUT333: yep Sep 26 04:21:09 though i do use it on home projects some Sep 26 04:21:14 anyhoo, gotta go Sep 26 04:21:14 hey there Sep 26 04:21:22 my wow guild calls Sep 26 04:21:27 :D Sep 26 04:21:31 heh Sep 26 04:21:38 geist: got a link to the nvram stuff? Sep 26 04:26:04 Is there an official method for packaging an app for the webosinternals feed? Sep 26 04:26:38 nope Sep 26 04:26:49 its a free for all Sep 26 04:27:04 that's right up your alley, right puff? ;) Sep 26 04:27:15 is there a tutorial, or general suggestions, somewhere on the wiki? Sep 26 04:27:20 idk why you guys thing that Sep 26 04:27:35 zsoc: juse use your reverse dns Sep 26 04:27:36 sorry, sometimes you come across as an anarchist, that's all Sep 26 04:27:42 for making dirs and binaries Sep 26 04:27:46 and you should be fine Sep 26 04:27:55 dont touch files you didnt make Sep 26 04:28:02 is a good rule of thumb Sep 26 04:28:17 reverse dns comment confuses me Sep 26 04:28:57 reverse dns is finding a location by an ip lookup, i don't know it to mean anything else :< Sep 26 04:29:04 :D Sep 26 04:29:22 its also a java convention Sep 26 04:29:22 and probably other languages Sep 26 04:29:22 for doing packages/namespaces Sep 26 04:29:25 to avoid conflicts Sep 26 04:29:28 org.webosinternals Sep 26 04:29:31 com.palm Sep 26 04:29:38 ah, gotcha Sep 26 04:29:42 that's covered, lol Sep 26 04:29:48 Is there a date on the next os update? Sep 26 04:30:09 i was talking about making a control / prerm / postinst, tree structure, service installation, etc Sep 26 04:30:24 zsoc: reverse dns is probably the only "rule" that "should" be followed Sep 26 04:30:29 buts its not even a rule Sep 26 04:30:46 Ok, then is it ok if i rephrase my question? Sep 26 04:30:48 zsoc: nothing official/standard for that Sep 26 04:31:03 do what you want in a postinst Sep 26 04:31:13 Is there a general method of structuring / packaging and app _so it actually works_? Sep 26 04:31:30 It just seems everytime i look through another app everything is done differently, lol Sep 26 04:31:37 cause they are Sep 26 04:31:39 i mean... Sep 26 04:31:47 well for apps they are all the same for the most part Sep 26 04:31:52 they shouldnt need postinst Sep 26 04:31:57 services do tho Sep 26 04:31:57 servcices/plugins do Sep 26 04:32:00 right Sep 26 04:32:03 right Sep 26 04:32:04 so Sep 26 04:32:06 for them Sep 26 04:32:11 since we use -o /var Sep 26 04:32:20 everything gets installed under /var Sep 26 04:32:29 but some shit needs to be in specific places Sep 26 04:32:41 like plugins in /usr/lib/BrowserPlugins Sep 26 04:32:41 most of those details i can steal from poking around other working apps Sep 26 04:32:50 and java services in /usr/lib/luna/java Sep 26 04:32:54 or something like that Sep 26 04:32:57 so the postinst Sep 26 04:33:00 just copies them there Sep 26 04:33:03 or makes a symlink Sep 26 04:33:12 and the prerm just removes the symlink Sep 26 04:33:21 ipkg handles removing it real file from var Sep 26 04:33:21 was more referring to the logistics of packaging in general, like in a tutorial sense. Sep 26 04:33:31 zsoc: just use ipkg-utils Sep 26 04:33:41 ah, i didn't want to assume :) ok then, thank you Sep 26 04:34:03 yeah i donit do it manually Sep 26 04:35:58 gosh i wish rod was around lol Sep 26 04:36:02 ameng, good day :) Sep 26 04:36:41 zsoc:hey Sep 26 04:37:27 zsoc: Maybe you can fly to Oz and stalk him on his holiday Sep 26 04:37:37 Bring me a Pre while you're at it. ;) Sep 26 04:38:16 freakout: I did that yesterday Sep 26 04:38:29 Eguy: lol Sep 26 04:38:47 Where's my damn Pre then?? Sep 26 04:39:03 My dog ate it Sep 26 04:39:10 ugh, it's amazing how when you post something on precentral forums 50 people download it an go OMG HOW DOS EIT GO INTOS THE SUNSITALTIAON FOR ET!?! Sep 26 04:39:29 ? Sep 26 04:39:40 lol Sep 26 04:40:23 It's amazing how many trolls and complete n00bs there are too ;) Sep 26 04:40:34 Is the search function that hard to use? Sep 26 04:40:35 thats what forums are for Sep 26 04:40:42 its why i dont bother going to precentral Sep 26 04:40:49 that and the commercial/demo software Sep 26 04:40:57 the combination of that makes me sick Sep 26 04:41:00 seriously, i love trolling as much as the next guy.. but this just doesn't seem the place or subject matter Sep 26 04:41:06 PuffTheMagic, agree 100% Sep 26 04:41:43 how the hell do "Demo" apps get int eh palm catalog Sep 26 04:41:49 that seems like BS to me Sep 26 04:41:51 I know right? Sep 26 04:42:14 The catalog should be free until Jan for having screwed us since June Sep 26 04:42:17 I understand the reasoning... Palm's playing catch up really. I'd take more apps than i denied, that's for sure. Sep 26 04:42:23 free or pay i dont care Sep 26 04:42:28 but complete it should be Sep 26 04:42:37 Indeed Sep 26 04:42:46 true i suppose Sep 26 04:42:52 It should not be there in the first place Sep 26 04:43:07 Beta App space seems kinda stupid if you ask me Sep 26 04:43:10 the palm app catalog.... with 75,000 demo apps :D Sep 26 04:43:12 I understand making a 'demo' option being available before a paid version, but that's it really Sep 26 04:43:32 sounds like they should of called webos beta and put the banner on the launcher Sep 26 04:43:39 lol Sep 26 04:43:46 Palm Pre, now with webOS beta Sep 26 04:43:46 Don't laugh, it's true Sep 26 04:43:56 it is nowhere near ready for mass use imo Sep 26 04:43:59 all os's are beta when they first launch ;) Sep 26 04:44:04 Eguy: no way Sep 26 04:44:07 * zsoc loves his webos, shut up you Sep 26 04:44:09 webos is not beta Sep 26 04:44:28 the collection of software running on webOS is beta / half-assed Sep 26 04:44:33 I still think it is. I can't function 100% with my pre the way it is now Sep 26 04:44:46 * zsoc can function 200% with his pre Sep 26 04:44:46 Eguy: but its not webOS that has the issues Sep 26 04:44:50 its the apps Sep 26 04:44:52 written for webos Sep 26 04:44:57 I still use my centro for PIM because it does not lag 20 seconds to open the calendar Sep 26 04:45:26 I just want to look at my month "Ok wait 30 seconds" Sep 26 04:45:30 Not ok Sep 26 04:45:50 i only experience that kind of lag if i have multiple tabs open Sep 26 04:45:53 last time i looked most of the apps still used the old depricates way of making apps Sep 26 04:46:07 i think the preferred way is with "lightweight" apps Sep 26 04:46:12 but i dont think many use that yet Sep 26 04:46:20 PuffTheMagic, i agree there Sep 26 04:46:22 if you have no data your email is useless Sep 26 04:46:29 but goodness, would you look at the time? i must be off Sep 26 04:46:33 because it only downloads the header Sep 26 04:46:45 yeah the e-mail app is a POS Sep 26 04:46:54 i just want my gmail web interface Sep 26 04:46:57 its far superior Sep 26 04:47:06 the threading is much needed, that's for sure Sep 26 04:47:11 yeah Sep 26 04:47:12 13 seconds to month view with no cards open Sep 26 04:47:19 i used to be a imap fan boy Sep 26 04:47:21 on wifi Sep 26 04:47:24 but since i started using gmail Sep 26 04:47:33 i cant stand pop or imap Sep 26 04:47:47 search + threading == win Sep 26 04:48:00 eguy, 4 seconds till month view, stop being a calendar whore ;p Sep 26 04:48:09 I like the push gmail on the pre except it murders my battery Sep 26 04:48:21 punzada: I actually have stuff to do in life :P Sep 26 04:48:26 just kidding ;) Sep 26 04:48:28 haha Sep 26 04:48:42 Eguy: imap isnt any better for battery Sep 26 04:48:42 I thought the whole idea behind push email was to save battery life by avoiding continual checks Sep 26 04:48:55 mail/imap is most of the java usage on the pre Sep 26 04:49:02 all that shit should be C Sep 26 04:49:05 this java crap is crazy Sep 26 04:49:12 PuffTheMagic: I am using imap. It does kill the battery Sep 26 04:49:23 who uses java on a embedded device Sep 26 04:49:26 I went from 2pm to 8pm and was at 45% that is pathetic Sep 26 04:49:28 palm Sep 26 04:49:35 and any of us suckers trying to dev around it Sep 26 04:49:36 >> Sep 26 04:49:37 with the seidio battery Sep 26 04:49:50 2600 or 1350? Sep 26 04:49:54 punzada: lol Sep 26 04:50:01 i am on like 15 mailing lists Sep 26 04:50:03 including LKML Sep 26 04:50:08 i get 2600 a day from LKML Sep 26 04:50:09 1350 Sep 26 04:50:23 damn Sep 26 04:50:34 you get too much mail :P Sep 26 04:50:39 im using 1/4 of my gmail inbox Sep 26 04:50:40 nope Sep 26 04:50:42 thats almost 2 gig Sep 26 04:50:48 and thats not attachments Sep 26 04:50:51 its just text Sep 26 04:50:51 the polling is killing it Sep 26 04:50:56 I meant puff gets too much mail Sep 26 04:50:58 * ameng1 thinks if nokia buy palm, things may be evolve more quickly Sep 26 04:51:17 into crap Sep 26 04:51:24 ameng1: if nokia buys palm there will be no palm Sep 26 04:51:29 the n9** owns Sep 26 04:51:33 If nokia buys palm, I'm not developing on webOS anymore. Sep 26 04:51:37 got a quick quilt question if anyone has a second Sep 26 04:51:38 it owns, except for cost Sep 26 04:51:44 haha Sep 26 04:51:48 yeah it is like 10 million $ Sep 26 04:51:51 im having trouble with any patch that affects the ui Sep 26 04:51:54 So lets all just cross our fingers and hope for the best Sep 26 04:51:57 punzada: its still 100x more functional Sep 26 04:52:04 I agree Sep 26 04:52:11 Lets all sing kumbaya Sep 26 04:52:41 but N900 seems a more open platform Sep 26 04:52:49 I just wish I knew dbus better it would motivate me to better bridge the gap between linux services I love to play with and a decent ui Sep 26 04:52:54 webos is pretty open Sep 26 04:52:59 problem is I fail at everything dbus in every attempt Sep 26 04:53:00 the patches apply sucessfully, i restart luna and occasionally the entire pre, but the ui patches dont take effect Sep 26 04:53:03 punzada: u dont need to know anything about dbus Sep 26 04:53:06 look at how much webosinternals has done Sep 26 04:53:23 punzada: u just have to know how to make a webos sercice? Sep 26 04:53:39 all you are doing is sending/reciving json objcts Sep 26 04:53:39 the pre has been "confirmed" for verizon Sep 26 04:53:52 ah, I see. Sep 26 04:53:56 json objects as strings Sep 26 04:54:09 you dont have to worry about the workings of dbus at all Sep 26 04:54:46 its cool palm give the c service api Sep 26 04:54:56 ameng1: the didnt Sep 26 04:54:58 well Sep 26 04:55:09 they LGPL'd a header Sep 26 04:55:16 thats not even publicly available by them yet Sep 26 04:55:25 Eguy, if you're talking about BGR confirmation, *shrug* I don't consider that a confirmation ;) Sep 26 04:55:54 ameng1: and they LGPL'd it the day after i released my fist C service Sep 26 04:56:12 sorta like how they opened up the catalog to submissions right after we launched preware :D Sep 26 04:56:39 ;-) Sep 26 04:56:40 hmm, maybe that means 1.3 cam functions coming :P Sep 26 04:56:50 lol instink hd hahahah Sep 26 04:57:10 nope psykoz: http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Precentralnet/~3/Qip_4lB4WXk/verizon-executive-confirms-pre-january-2010 what ever that means Sep 26 04:57:16 ameng1: you still messing with input for the dfb stuff? Sep 26 04:57:17 with a bowl of salt Sep 26 04:57:52 I'm curious to see how all this play with the dfb works out, def a project I'm keeping an eye on Sep 26 04:57:53 PuffTheMagic: sadly ,I have little time on that project these days Sep 26 04:58:10 ameng1: no prob.... school starting i assume? Sep 26 04:58:28 ameng1: i promise i will start looking at it seriously soon Sep 26 04:58:35 ameng1: i need to get the IRC service going Sep 26 04:58:41 so oil can start doing gui work for it Sep 26 04:58:44 i need my IRC Sep 26 04:59:01 cool Sep 26 04:59:31 i wonder how hard it would be to just listen to /dev/input/event2 for keypad stuff Sep 26 04:59:41 that has to be a open spec i would imagine Sep 26 04:59:55 same withe /dev/touchpad Sep 26 05:00:02 maybe not so open for that Sep 26 05:00:13 but event interfaces are standardized Sep 26 05:01:03 slacker, just use irssi :P Sep 26 05:01:18 seems palm uses hidd managing all inputs Sep 26 05:02:39 ameng1: yes they used hidd, we dont have to though :D Sep 26 05:02:48 i mean i would if it were documented Sep 26 05:03:05 but using libggi would be way easier than reverse engineering hidd Sep 26 05:03:29 or any other lib that knows evdev Sep 26 05:04:44 could probbaly look the code for input-linux-evdev Sep 26 05:05:46 worth a try Sep 26 05:06:23 its just ioctl Sep 26 05:07:06