**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Sep 29 02:59:58 2009 Sep 29 03:00:44 i guess i should add it to the webos-internals one :) Sep 29 03:01:25 I started nodoze and unplugged the usb, wth was that Sep 29 03:01:47 novacomd went away Sep 29 03:02:47 oooohhhhh... my back button is pulsing Sep 29 03:02:54 hot Sep 29 03:03:56 back button? Sep 29 03:04:30 center navi Sep 29 03:05:03 HattCzech, v0.1.13 of charcounter patch should be built into autopatch feed within 15 mins Sep 29 03:05:21 HattCzech, create autopatch.conf Sep 29 03:05:26 like this Sep 29 03:05:29 4x4? Sep 29 03:06:01 echo "src/gz autopatch http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/autopatch/all" > /var/etc/ipkg/autopatch.conf Sep 29 03:06:05 egaudet: i added webosinternals-autopatch to the webosinternals.conf Sep 29 03:06:18 i guess i could move it :) Sep 29 03:06:38 egaudet: you want this patch? Sep 29 03:06:47 yea Sep 29 03:07:02 email? Sep 29 03:07:21 emoney_33@yahoo.com Sep 29 03:08:06 sent Sep 29 03:09:03 what's the link for the 1.2.0 doctor? Sep 29 03:09:13 its on their website Sep 29 03:09:14 but here: Sep 29 03:09:24 http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/ash994djslspam356z/s2x56ydt/webosdoctorp100ewwsprint.jar Sep 29 03:09:43 that work? or is that info hash old now? Sep 29 03:09:57 i'm dling now Sep 29 03:10:05 thanks Sep 29 03:10:14 200.13MB Sep 29 03:10:16 I just dl'd it, taht's why i had it so fast. Sep 29 03:10:50 egaudet: you going to make a second feed for the 1.2 autopatches? Sep 29 03:10:53 i take it 1.2.1 is out nw? Sep 29 03:10:59 -.1 Sep 29 03:11:14 i thought they were gonna skip 1.2 Sep 29 03:11:23 apparently not Sep 29 03:11:24 nop3 Sep 29 03:11:26 its 1.2.0 Sep 29 03:12:02 i should just doctor it Sep 29 03:12:05 but w/e Sep 29 03:12:22 dBsooner, no Sep 29 03:12:28 1.2.1? Sep 29 03:12:29 no Sep 29 03:12:50 egaudet: so how will we know which ones are for 1.2? Sep 29 03:12:51 dBsooner, palm forces update, so I'm not maintaining anything but the latest Sep 29 03:13:00 good plan Sep 29 03:13:02 just try them.. and if they don't go, then they aren't ready. Sep 29 03:13:02 eventually they will all be 1.2 Sep 29 03:13:19 good to see the opensoeuce site aint up to date yet Sep 29 03:13:26 yea dBsooner, and eventually we'll have the wiki with 1.2.0 OK Sep 29 03:13:34 k Sep 29 03:13:48 well if you get that patch out your email, 4x4 can be the first one Sep 29 03:13:54 is there a link to the 1.2 change log Sep 29 03:14:05 http://kb.palm.com/wps/portal/kb/na/pre/p100eww/sprint/solutions/article/50607_en.html#12 Sep 29 03:14:09 cahngelog for 1.2 Sep 29 03:14:22 God, am I google tonight or what? Sep 29 03:14:23 :D Sep 29 03:14:43 dBsooner: i got the new cards for each convo working too Sep 29 03:14:49 want that too? Sep 29 03:14:57 surely Sep 29 03:17:05 and sent Sep 29 03:17:10 why doesn't the pre support to an ad hoc network? Sep 29 03:17:17 to connect* Sep 29 03:17:29 i want to give my pre web access via my netbook Sep 29 03:17:31 now i can go to bed since those were the only two i really cared about having right now Sep 29 03:18:00 egaudet: why did you bump the autobuild version? Sep 29 03:18:17 any thoughts on this ppl? Sep 29 03:18:53 phiqtion: it was removed in 1.2 Sep 29 03:18:57 don't know why Sep 29 03:19:34 i dont have 1.2 yet Sep 29 03:19:56 oh Sep 29 03:20:12 im trying to connect to an ad hoc wifi network Sep 29 03:20:14 Hey all. Is there a list of working teaks for 1.2? Sep 29 03:20:22 my laptop would give my pre net access Sep 29 03:20:57 dBsooner, for charcounter patch was updated Sep 29 03:21:09 ? Sep 29 03:21:16 oh Sep 29 03:21:19 lol my ? from earlier Sep 29 03:21:29 dBsooner, for future reference patch name sshould be a-b-c.patch rather than a_b_c.patch because package names can't have _ Sep 29 03:21:32 heya, can someone fill me in really quick. I've been out for a few months but last time i was updating apps, i could have sworn i used my opt install of ipkg to install and update. Preware says, to use /usr/bin/ipkg. Advise? Sep 29 03:21:37 k Sep 29 03:22:11 yes, use /usr/bin/ipkg -o /var with preware Sep 29 03:22:17 preware != optware Sep 29 03:22:26 ipkg-opt = optware Sep 29 03:23:15 egaudet: is 0.3.4 VKB ready to be built? Sep 29 03:23:34 dBsooner, v0.1.14 of autopatch has 4x4 patch Sep 29 03:23:38 and no vkb is not ready Sep 29 03:23:51 i just saw you pushed a big patch for VKB Sep 29 03:24:19 ok.. so 0.1.14 will build next run? Sep 29 03:24:32 ohh i see Sep 29 03:24:42 preware is like optware for pre-apps Sep 29 03:27:29 egaudet: messaging-new-card-per-convo is in your inbox Sep 29 03:28:39 does anyone know where the applauncher icon is stored I dont remember Sep 29 03:29:48 Joesmith no... I'm having a hard time finding all the images I changed... if you find a list please advise Sep 29 03:30:18 hows everyone enjoying taking 1.2 apart? Sep 29 03:31:18 egaudet if I want to test I go in /var/etc/ipkg and do what? Sep 29 03:31:35 test what? Sep 29 03:31:46 autopatch Sep 29 03:31:58 if you have the feed added? Sep 29 03:32:06 need to add the feed Sep 29 03:33:01 nobody knows why doesnt the pre connect to any ad hoc network? Sep 29 03:33:22 hmagoo: echo "src/gz all http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/autopatch/all" > /var/etc/ipkg/autoconf.conf Sep 29 03:33:55 hmagoo: just FYI, that didn't work for me... i had to do it the VI way Sep 29 03:33:55 thanks, was just about there Sep 29 03:34:00 ok Sep 29 03:34:13 autoconf.conf or autopatch.conf? Sep 29 03:34:20 then: cat /var/etc/ipkg/autopatch.conf Sep 29 03:34:24 its autopatch.conf Sep 29 03:34:25 my fault Sep 29 03:34:26 autopatch.conf Sep 29 03:34:27 k Sep 29 03:34:27 I was typing too fast Sep 29 03:35:49 well i just installed terminal and the preware feed on 1.2 Sep 29 03:36:19 and? Sep 29 03:36:20 verdict? Sep 29 03:36:25 so far so good Sep 29 03:36:29 terminal works great Sep 29 03:36:34 first time i've ever seen it =) Sep 29 03:36:44 gonna try and get the preware app on really quick Sep 29 03:36:49 dBsooner: just load preware? Sep 29 03:36:54 srsly Sep 29 03:36:58 hmagoo: yep Sep 29 03:37:11 we should remove preware before upgrading? Sep 29 03:37:15 hmagoo: and you should see a new area, "patches" Sep 29 03:37:20 phiq: no Sep 29 03:37:37 i removed virtual keyboard however Sep 29 03:38:39 dBsooner: what patches are working in there? Sep 29 03:38:47 umm.. 4x5 Sep 29 03:38:50 err 4x4 Sep 29 03:38:53 character counter Sep 29 03:39:27 thats awesome Sep 29 03:39:39 I don't know if any others Sep 29 03:39:45 I don't know where we are keeping track of them Sep 29 03:39:52 I am about to add 1.2 OK Sep 29 03:41:19 hmm seem to be getting package not found on /usr/bin/ipkg -o /var install org.webosinternals.preware Sep 29 03:41:44 are these coming straight from the patch files or is he building them automatically at intervals or building them manually? Sep 29 03:41:57 do you have the webosinternals feed? Sep 29 03:42:01 he adds the patch file to an autobuild scvript Sep 29 03:42:23 the autobuild script in the repos creates an ipkg for it Sep 29 03:42:30 terminal still works fine after the upgrade. Sep 29 03:42:36 great Sep 29 03:42:46 ashi__colo: you got preware working? Sep 29 03:43:00 yup, left preware alone, and it still works. Sep 29 03:43:25 v0.4.0 keyboard MIGHT work for webos 1.2.0 Sep 29 03:43:30 i'm getting "cannot find package" when i try to install it Sep 29 03:43:35 dBsooner, added that last ptach you sent me Sep 29 03:43:42 thanks Sep 29 03:43:52 egaudet: editing patches on wiki Sep 29 03:43:56 4x4? Sep 29 03:44:08 dunno about installing it after the upgrade, opie_. I kept it installed. Sep 29 03:44:13 they need to get a patch out that has the navigation funcionality of the download in browser patch and the url field in landscape Sep 29 03:44:40 oil yep Sep 29 03:44:43 oil its there Sep 29 03:44:43 why is it that webos doctor wont recognize my pre even with the big usb logo on? Sep 29 03:44:44 and works Sep 29 03:44:49 * oil updates feed and installs Sep 29 03:44:52 they keyboard might not work if the autobuilder doesn't redownload the doctor to get the updated md5sums Sep 29 03:44:55 oil he was talking abut new card per page Sep 29 03:44:56 yes it does work, 4x4 Sep 29 03:45:01 sweeet Sep 29 03:45:03 JaSonx: because you have a big usb logo on it Sep 29 03:45:05 so if that fails, I'll just add the md5sums to 0.4.1 Sep 29 03:45:10 lol no Sep 29 03:45:13 unplug it, plug it back in, do just charge Sep 29 03:45:20 i did Sep 29 03:45:32 and it freezes Sep 29 03:45:34 at 0% Sep 29 03:45:39 has anyone put up the led-blinking patch so it can be in autopatch? Sep 29 03:46:11 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Patches_to_webOS Sep 29 03:46:25 not that i know of Sep 29 03:46:27 but i've applied it Sep 29 03:46:33 if the HERO would give it to hmagoo Sep 29 03:46:36 i mean egaudet Sep 29 03:46:55 didn't they add Amazon: Download Music over EVDO to webOS? Sep 29 03:47:18 what's the link for the led-blinking patch? Sep 29 03:47:25 so i can give it to hmagoo and keep him busy Sep 29 03:47:29 yeah applied here too, but looking to ditch quilt Sep 29 03:47:32 why do I keep saying hmagoo? Sep 29 03:47:39 compile a list of patches and get them to me Sep 29 03:47:44 lol Sep 29 03:47:48 no more of this 1 by 1 every 5 minutes Sep 29 03:47:50 :P Sep 29 03:47:52 No.. I like this one 1 1 Sep 29 03:47:56 http://tlp.lickwid.net/patch-webos12-led Sep 29 03:48:00 4 more minutes Sep 29 03:48:16 egaudet Sep 29 03:48:25 click that link HattCzech just posted.. thats the led patch Sep 29 03:48:33 do taht one and I'll start compiling a list Sep 29 03:49:53 ok, le tme say it more nicely.. please? Sep 29 03:50:02 the led-blinker needs to have a little instruction on it about going to screen and lock and enabling the notification, do the autopatches have comments? Sep 29 03:50:07 can the led notification have sound too ? Sep 29 03:50:37 the led notification just turns on the led light Sep 29 03:50:43 it just uncomments the code Sep 29 03:51:09 i know but can we add sound ? Sep 29 03:51:24 not that I know of Sep 29 03:51:49 like the nagger patch Sep 29 03:52:01 should the autopatches say..something like "requires Luna restart" and/or "enable blinking notifications in screen and lock settings" Sep 29 03:52:18 is the preware feed down or something? Sep 29 03:52:25 opie_ no Sep 29 03:52:29 hmagoo no Sep 29 03:52:36 hmagoo you have to manually restart luna Sep 29 03:52:42 there is no "preware" thread Sep 29 03:52:48 in the description Sep 29 03:52:52 there is however, a "webos-internals" feed Sep 29 03:53:36 opie_: you spinning? Sep 29 03:54:05 egaudet: there was a build error on the virt keyboard Sep 29 03:54:20 hmagoo: spinning my wheels? Sep 29 03:54:26 yea i know Sep 29 03:54:36 should be fixed next bulid Sep 29 03:55:01 hey guys my tether has been fixed in 1.2 we should give him a $34.56 "donation" :) Sep 29 03:55:02 why do you ask if "preware" is down? Sep 29 03:55:08 opie_: Sep 29 03:55:44 opie_: try reloading preware if it doesn't come up right away. flick it away and launch again. Sep 29 03:55:46 haha Sep 29 03:55:46 hmagoo: when i try to grab the install for preware via ipkg it says package not found, i guess that would be on my cached copy though Sep 29 03:55:48 I can't figure out how to remove my tether Sep 29 03:55:51 to be able to re install it Sep 29 03:55:52 ;) Sep 29 03:56:13 lets see what he does when they rev the kernel and he can't just copy back the sd8xxx.ko module from 1.1 Sep 29 03:56:14 dBsooner: i left mytether installed, didn't seem to hurt anything Sep 29 03:56:34 do ipkg -o /var remove to uninstall my tether and the service Sep 29 03:56:34 dBsooner, name the led patch Sep 29 03:56:38 and gimme description Sep 29 03:56:42 and title Sep 29 03:56:48 for ipk info Sep 29 03:57:11 enable-led-notification Sep 29 03:57:21 Enables LED Notifications Sep 29 03:58:05 Enable the LED behind the gesture button to light up when notifications are received. Sep 29 03:58:29 I just got a notification and the LED is working great Sep 29 03:58:47 Eguy: I don't have it installed via autopatch yet Sep 29 03:58:54 Feels good to have a palm phone again Sep 29 03:58:56 if egaudet hurries, I will in 2 mins Sep 29 03:59:09 I just uncommented the lines with terminal ;) Sep 29 03:59:12 the command /usr/bin/ipkg -o /var list |grep preware' returns me nothing, this doesn't seem right to me, as far as the wiki says Sep 29 03:59:18 * egaudet going to bed Sep 29 03:59:21 bye Sep 29 03:59:23 lol Sep 29 03:59:25 lol Sep 29 03:59:26 me tooo Sep 29 03:59:27 bye Sep 29 03:59:30 :P Sep 29 03:59:34 me three Sep 29 03:59:49 see ya guys later Sep 29 04:00:25 try ipkg-opt Sep 29 04:02:22 * hmagoo stretches out Sep 29 04:03:34 builds done Sep 29 04:03:37 * dBsooner goes to try vkb Sep 29 04:03:42 and led notify Sep 29 04:04:43 well drpodder seems to be running good Sep 29 04:04:51 fresh install on 1.2 atleast Sep 29 04:05:01 VKB: Patch installed, Luna restart is required. Sep 29 04:06:06 egaudet: VKB works like a champ. Sep 29 04:06:17 yeah everytime I universal search for pre the system settings apps come up as well Sep 29 04:06:29 they added more tags to apps Sep 29 04:08:27 nice Sep 29 04:08:33 how long does th3 1.2 update take Sep 29 04:08:59 seems like its been on the black palm do not remove battery update screen for 30 min now Sep 29 04:09:00 bout 5 mins Sep 29 04:09:29 dBsooner: 5 min to download Sep 29 04:09:35 or for actual install Sep 29 04:09:36 lol, no Sep 29 04:09:36 Puff took mine at least 15-20 I started before I got in the shower and when I got out it was still going Sep 29 04:09:39 acutal install Sep 29 04:09:47 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/204134-official-webos-1-2-0-new-features-changes-found.html#post1925933 Sep 29 04:09:47 i wish i could get mine installed. Sep 29 04:09:48 when the heck did the keyboard thread move from development to general chat Sep 29 04:09:58 no wonder I haven't been seeing it active Sep 29 04:10:02 Someone tell this guy it's a fade we do at the bottom of apps to designate it being scrollable Sep 29 04:10:08 when you got bumped Sep 29 04:10:20 put my name in there too.. dBsooner confirms working. :D Sep 29 04:10:36 i hope my phone is bricked so i get a new one Sep 29 04:10:44 lol Sep 29 04:12:09 would like to find where they added the additional universal search tags, possibly type a shortcut and have specific apps pop up Sep 29 04:13:20 yeah VKB works well Sep 29 04:13:22 dBsooner did I see you all working on a preware patch for LED notifications? or should I just do it manually? Sep 29 04:13:35 it will be ready in 4 mins Sep 29 04:13:46 next run of the autobuild script is at 11:15 Sep 29 04:14:02 the LED notifications autopatch should be built then Sep 29 04:14:04 Picture - Text Notifications now include a contact picture. Could some futher explain this new feature? Sep 29 04:14:39 dB goodstuff.. thanks for taking it to the next step so I didn't have too Sep 29 04:14:45 Abyssul:When you have the notification at the bottom of the screen, the contact picture appears with the mesage preview Sep 29 04:14:59 Hmmm instead of the message bubble? Sep 29 04:15:10 yep Sep 29 04:15:12 where was the list of changes? i saw a link earlier? Sep 29 04:15:15 I need a way to test this :) Sep 29 04:15:22 Abyssul: With the bubble. The bubble is still on the left, photo is on the right Sep 29 04:15:41 Abyssul.. you can send text messages via sprints web login... send them to yourself if you want. Sep 29 04:16:17 stupid airave coverage. fail. Sep 29 04:18:46 wow, after useing 4x4 app launcher, the 3x3 is horrible looking Sep 29 04:18:49 enable-led-notifications autopatch is avail Sep 29 04:19:02 Abyssul: 4x4 app launcher autopatch is avail Sep 29 04:19:13 Nice to hear :) Sep 29 04:19:25 I plan on making a lot of modifications tomorrow Sep 29 04:19:34 When it is more compatible and I have the time :p Sep 29 04:19:46 i will have a long day tomorrow of converting patches Sep 29 04:19:46 led is not avail until 12:30 Sep 29 04:19:55 doh! Sep 29 04:19:59 I just saw it build Sep 29 04:20:05 it failed Sep 29 04:20:09 lies! Sep 29 04:20:58 sometimes it fails with weird error and then next pass is fine Sep 29 04:21:00 no, add-delete-pages failed Sep 29 04:21:02 whatever I just ignore it Sep 29 04:21:29 well once it fails it stops, led isn't in feed Sep 29 04:21:40 stupid build Sep 29 04:21:51 * dBsooner has to stay awake 10 more mins now Sep 29 04:22:09 lol.. pre is DEAD Sep 29 04:22:23 that update just kills the battery Sep 29 04:24:19 grats Sep 29 04:24:25 my pre was sitting on my desk Sep 29 04:24:35 and in less that 10 mins it goes 20% 10% dead Sep 29 04:25:01 Well I have a hack to suggest already Sep 29 04:25:08 does it get hot? Sep 29 04:25:25 if it was really going down that fast (and it's not some ui glitch) then it'd have to be dumping it into a lot of heat Sep 29 04:25:41 Seeing how Palm implemented the profile picture on the right side of the notification bar, we need a hack that will move ot to the left side and replace the messaging bubble icon Sep 29 04:25:50 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-themes/205642-possible-fix-uninstalling-themes.html Sep 29 04:25:53 :sigh: Sep 29 04:26:40 no-no egaudet? Sep 29 04:26:46 yep Sep 29 04:26:53 the progress bar aint moving on my phone Sep 29 04:26:59 i hope its bricked when i reboot it Sep 29 04:27:04 $7 sprint protection for the pre worthed? Sep 29 04:27:06 yea. i cant get any themes uninstalled in ver 1.1 Sep 29 04:27:08 puff, it takes a long time Sep 29 04:27:09 Abyssul, it's a package of all palm copyrighted packages Sep 29 04:27:14 it took mine like a year to download Sep 29 04:27:20 Puff, I'd give it a little more time. Sep 29 04:27:25 i havent tried very hard though. i have other priorities. Sep 29 04:27:40 MLJones8: its been an hour Sep 29 04:27:46 i just updated 3 other phones Sep 29 04:27:51 they all took minutes Sep 29 04:28:02 Gotcha... well I hope it turns out how you wish it does then :) Sep 29 04:28:09 anyone know where the keywords for apps via universal search might be found? Sep 29 04:28:20 I didn't think it would matter as long if Palm doesn't mind. Sep 29 04:28:20 hmmm Sep 29 04:28:23 reboot went right back into the update Sep 29 04:28:28 Or does it state that we can't distribute for any reason Sep 29 04:28:31 i figured it would boot like normal Sep 29 04:28:33 wtf Sep 29 04:28:42 Abyssul: you can't post that. Sep 29 04:28:53 geist: ping Sep 29 04:29:02 Edited. Sep 29 04:29:04 :D Sep 29 04:29:09 can someone with 1.2 post the uname -a Sep 29 04:29:11 Just trying to keep you str8 Sep 29 04:29:19 mine's dead Sep 29 04:29:19 Linux castle 2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 #1 175.1.23.1.1 armv7l unknown Sep 29 04:29:27 still at .24 wtf Sep 29 04:29:51 come on 11:30.. Sep 29 04:29:58 * dBsooner is bout to pass ssss sss out Sep 29 04:30:09 heh i grabbed the zip anyway Sep 29 04:30:20 haha Abyssul awesome post change Sep 29 04:30:26 yw Sep 29 04:30:34 Any one here having or had issue connecting to there phone using ssh? Sep 29 04:30:36 I have no sympathy Sep 29 04:30:55 thadood: nope Sep 29 04:31:00 nobody knows why doesnt the pre connect to any ad hoc network? Sep 29 04:31:01 thatdude: nope Sep 29 04:31:10 Abyssul: people are going to think you're nuts, lol Sep 29 04:31:18 I am Sep 29 04:31:20 phiq: maybe that's why they removfed it in 1.2? because it dont' work in 1.1? Sep 29 04:31:26 phiq: because its shitty. Sep 29 04:31:48 Wanna see some more ownage? http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-tips-information-resources/205617-pleaseeeeeeeeee-help-i-did-something-wrong.html Sep 29 04:31:50 its not recognizing my laptop's ad hoc Sep 29 04:31:55 You have to read that crazyness lol Sep 29 04:31:57 dBsooner: hmmm, alright thanks for your input Sep 29 04:32:02 my itouch connects flawlessly Sep 29 04:32:03 My reponse is priceless :) Sep 29 04:32:37 ahhh Sep 29 04:32:48 * dBsooner loves seeing the scroll bar get REALLY tiny on the autobuild log. Sep 29 04:32:50 "I have no sympathy." oouch! Sep 29 04:32:54 well pandora still laggs the phone when attempting to show its dashboard icon thing Sep 29 04:33:01 Abyssul: MAXlol killed me Sep 29 04:33:03 lol, people thanked you Sep 29 04:33:23 exactly! Sep 29 04:33:26 3 thanks Sep 29 04:33:41 oh yeah.. damn pre is dead Sep 29 04:33:47 where is my blasted cable Sep 29 04:33:59 three commas? heh Sep 29 04:34:42 damnit, who downloaded that zip <.< Sep 29 04:35:03 hehe Sep 29 04:35:11 wow, that guy is a little off Sep 29 04:35:24 ok so this update is fucked Sep 29 04:35:27 gonna dr it Sep 29 04:35:29 it's crazynight in pre-ville Sep 29 04:35:31 after i back up my photos Sep 29 04:35:37 hmagoo: who? Sep 29 04:35:43 here's an interesting one guys Sep 29 04:35:49 +1 Sep 29 04:35:50 fuck it keeps going into update mode Sep 29 04:35:50 why Sep 29 04:35:54 how to i boot like normak Sep 29 04:35:54 the webos1.2 has refences to nokia IM Sep 29 04:35:59 * Abyssul bows to greg_roll Sep 29 04:36:06 +PuffTheMagic: What are you updating? Sep 29 04:36:13 im trying to get 1.2 Sep 29 04:36:20 but my phone wont update Sep 29 04:36:29 what is Nokia IM? Sep 29 04:36:38 +PuffTheMagic: that's odd Sep 29 04:36:39 greg_roll: google Sep 29 04:36:57 Abyssul: interesting Sep 29 04:37:00 ha! Sep 29 04:37:05 Abyssul: the OP Sep 29 04:37:13 "Palm Novacom (bootie) installed" Sep 29 04:37:19 +PuffTheMagic: I don't have to tell you any solution. You can find a solution. Sep 29 04:37:22 bootay Sep 29 04:37:33 Ha! bootie Sep 29 04:37:37 they ahve a bootie driver Sep 29 04:37:39 thatdude: i only have like 3 options Sep 29 04:37:44 that is seriously the name of it Sep 29 04:37:48 (bootie) Sep 29 04:38:24 PuffTheMagic: If your phone can't update normally WebOS Doctor should do Sep 29 04:38:26 whoever is asking about adhoc wifi. They disabled it in 1.2. If you need it, since they haven't rev'd the kernel, you can copy the sd8xxx.ko kernel module from a webos 1.1 install and adhoc will work again Sep 29 04:38:34 thatdude: yeah but i want to get my photos first Sep 29 04:38:47 but i cant seem to boot Sep 29 04:38:49 Puff is going to the docotr :) Sep 29 04:38:50 into webos Sep 29 04:38:52 epv: that person asking about ad hoc doesn't ahve 1.2 installed Sep 29 04:38:56 cause it keeps going into the update Sep 29 04:39:00 oh, they're in trouble then :) Sep 29 04:39:02 PuffTheMagic: Oh, hmm Sep 29 04:39:13 so i need to figure out how to fix this Sep 29 04:39:17 can you get in with novacom when its updating, puff? Sep 29 04:39:27 iirc i was able to get a shell pretty early in the process Sep 29 04:39:41 if so you might be able to use the novacom file copy function to pull your pics off Sep 29 04:39:49 from /media/internal/.... Sep 29 04:39:55 Is the person working on adding different source of IM in this room? Sep 29 04:40:05 epv: i need to get it in storage mode Sep 29 04:40:12 somehow Sep 29 04:40:21 well, that would work too but it won't go into storage mode without real webos booted Sep 29 04:40:38 i'm saying you can use novacom to pull files off it regardless of whether it's fully booted or not (maybe) Sep 29 04:40:50 im not running webos dr till i get my data Sep 29 04:41:02 k Sep 29 04:41:09 Puff: If you can get command line access to make it read-write, maybe you could try WinSCP to pull them off? Sep 29 04:41:13 PuffTheMagic: that's a good one to try to solve, onces you get it to storage made then you good to go just getting there is the headache Sep 29 04:41:31 i could change the boot args Sep 29 04:41:35 to init=/bin/sh Sep 29 04:41:36 :D Sep 29 04:41:55 PuffTheMagic: Dude you just did a House Sep 29 04:41:56 seriously, i bet whatever state its in now, novacom works Sep 29 04:42:04 i just watched house Sep 29 04:42:08 :D Sep 29 04:42:20 PuffTheMagic: You have everyone worked up and you have the solution already Sep 29 04:42:27 ehhh Sep 29 04:42:35 prob wont work Sep 29 04:42:36 PuffTheMagic: :D Sep 29 04:42:40 cause getty isnt started Sep 29 04:42:47 but ssh might work Sep 29 04:42:50 PuffTheMagic: That's what he would say Sep 29 04:42:51 err Sep 29 04:42:53 idk Sep 29 04:42:59 i will figure out something Sep 29 04:43:03 maybe i can jsut start dropbear Sep 29 04:43:03 :D Sep 29 04:43:19 novacom copy /media/internal/blabla/bla file.jpg Sep 29 04:43:19 pong Sep 29 04:43:41 epv: can i use /media/internal/* Sep 29 04:43:59 geist: how do i use the usb command in bootie Sep 29 04:44:02 i need to get into storage mode Sep 29 04:45:32 you can probably use /media/internal/* Sep 29 04:45:57 well, /media/internal/DCIM/100PALM/* i guess Sep 29 04:46:00 PuffTheMagic: Ran webos doctor and now my phone won't turn on... wtf! Sep 29 04:46:09 thatdude: lol Sep 29 04:46:54 1.2 is owning quite a bit of you :p Sep 29 04:47:13 not me Sep 29 04:47:14 :D Sep 29 04:47:19 then again, pre is dead Sep 29 04:47:21 (not yet) Sep 29 04:47:35 lol Sep 29 04:47:52 i push and hold the power button and I get the plug with a ? Sep 29 04:47:55 i think its dead Sep 29 04:48:03 Yep... you're laughing now. But then when it happens, you'll want to cry. :) Sep 29 04:48:09 PuffTheMagic: hmm? Sep 29 04:48:16 that's a sign to go to bed and steal my wifes centro battery to install that last autopatch before bed Sep 29 04:48:18 That means your battery is dead Sep 29 04:48:31 dBsooner: go into bootie Sep 29 04:48:35 and charge it Sep 29 04:48:36 no... Sep 29 04:48:41 bootie no like me Sep 29 04:48:53 Great name though Sep 29 04:48:57 I give it to palm on that one Sep 29 04:49:33 Wow, wtf is this madness. My phone does not turn on. Sep 29 04:49:49 or maybe it's not turning off Sep 29 04:49:56 This is negligence Sep 29 04:50:09 this is jumping to conclusions Sep 29 04:50:14 nite ya'll Sep 29 04:50:20 sorry. it's novacom get file:///media/internal/DCIM/100PALM/whatever.jpg > whatever.jpg Sep 29 04:50:28 you can't do multiple files at once , i think Sep 29 04:50:30 +PuffTheMagic: took out the battery out. Sep 29 04:50:33 good command Sep 29 04:50:35 you could make a script to do it though Sep 29 04:50:36 epv: fuck Sep 29 04:50:38 you can tar files up Sep 29 04:50:40 i dont know what on it Sep 29 04:50:41 then get the tar Sep 29 04:50:42 so that dont help Sep 29 04:50:43 yeah what bp said Sep 29 04:50:56 geist: is it possible? Sep 29 04:51:03 get a shell, "tar cvf /tmp/foo.tar /media/internal/DCIM" Sep 29 04:51:12 epv: i cant get a shell Sep 29 04:51:14 novacom run ? Sep 29 04:51:15 thats the point Sep 29 04:51:19 novacom exec ? Sep 29 04:51:21 i forgot which one it is Sep 29 04:51:23 oh so novacom doesn't work at all? Sep 29 04:51:30 well Sep 29 04:51:33 copy wont Sep 29 04:51:43 what happens if you do "novacom get file:///etc/fstab" for example? Sep 29 04:52:20 if novaterm doesn't give you a shell, though, i don't imagine novacom file transfer will work either Sep 29 04:52:38 bad or error response from other side: 'err -1 unrecognized command' Sep 29 04:52:38 if you're talking to an older novacomd, try -k to enable krustymode Sep 29 04:52:53 :( Sep 29 04:52:57 that sucks.:( Sep 29 04:53:07 what command did you give to it ? Sep 29 04:53:15 novacom get Sep 29 04:53:30 whoa Sep 29 04:53:31 you need a file:///whatever argument after the get Sep 29 04:53:33 i have an idea Sep 29 04:53:38 epv: yeah i did that Sep 29 04:53:42 can someone with a working pre Sep 29 04:53:43 ok Sep 29 04:53:45 go into bootie Sep 29 04:53:55 and run "getenv" Sep 29 04:54:06 Just did CPR, phone seems to be reviving Sep 29 04:54:07 and tell me what "installer =" equals Sep 29 04:54:25 mine says trenchcoat Sep 29 04:54:31 maybe i can disable that Sep 29 04:54:38 i believe that's correct, hang on Sep 29 04:55:31 yeah that's what mine had. mine gives exactly the same output as in: Sep 29 04:55:33 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Bootie Sep 29 04:55:44 i know about that page Sep 29 04:56:04 i just set installer to true Sep 29 04:56:07 well, the default environment listed there is exactly what my working pre outputs Sep 29 04:56:07 that was a bad idea Sep 29 04:56:12 no i have the ROM warning Sep 29 04:56:16 doh Sep 29 04:56:28 * PuffTheMagic tries null now Sep 29 04:57:20 PuffTheMagic: Good luck, off to bed. Sep 29 04:57:23 Night everyone. Sep 29 04:57:27 Happy hacking! Sep 29 04:57:32 how did you get into this state ? Sep 29 04:57:43 changing bootargs ? Sep 29 04:57:54 oh yeah Sep 29 04:57:55 its fucked Sep 29 04:58:25 sweet Sep 29 04:59:10 this is really bullshit that it cant get into storage mode Sep 29 04:59:18 geist: !!!! save the day Sep 29 04:59:20 please Sep 29 05:00:35 why won't preware show up after i install it Sep 29 05:00:57 egaudet: restart? Sep 29 05:01:02 why Sep 29 05:01:06 I don't want to restart Sep 29 05:01:12 :( Sep 29 05:01:16 it might show up Sep 29 05:02:39 ok its not 100% dead Sep 29 05:02:40 novaterm boot mem:// < ~/pre-userland/userland/boot/uImage-2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 Sep 29 05:02:42 that works Sep 29 05:02:56 it shows up after a palm-install of it Sep 29 05:03:04 errr Sep 29 05:03:41 hehe Sep 29 05:03:51 wow Sep 29 05:05:15 this fucking blows Sep 29 05:07:09 so it will only go into the usb bootloader, but won't boot anything else? Sep 29 05:07:20 right Sep 29 05:07:21 wonder how it managed to not have a kernel installed Sep 29 05:07:32 how did you break it? Sep 29 05:07:32 i fucked it up Sep 29 05:07:36 oh Sep 29 05:07:40 byt setting installer to true Sep 29 05:07:45 thats when i get the rom issue Sep 29 05:07:46 :D Sep 29 05:07:47 i think it was all the "I really hope this bricks my phone" Sep 29 05:08:03 so "this fucking blows" Sep 29 05:08:04 oil: i want it bricked Sep 29 05:08:04 means Sep 29 05:08:07 its exactly what you wanted Sep 29 05:08:11 and it doesnt blow Sep 29 05:08:11 oil: then i wont have oreo mode any more Sep 29 05:08:23 haha Sep 29 05:08:54 i dont really have any good photos that i care about Sep 29 05:08:58 its the the principle Sep 29 05:09:28 that you managed to pull off exactly what you wanted Sep 29 05:09:29 maybe the dr. code has some bootie commands embedded in it Sep 29 05:09:35 like something to put it in storage mode Sep 29 05:09:35 it does Sep 29 05:09:54 look at the java and you can find the commands it uses while in bootie mode Sep 29 05:09:59 hi oil, bpadalino Sep 29 05:10:04 bpadalino: yeah i know that Sep 29 05:10:06 hi Sep 29 05:10:09 is Templarian here? Sep 29 05:10:10 i am just about to go to bed Sep 29 05:10:11 but does it have a command to put it in storage mode Sep 29 05:10:16 i know there are commands int ereh Sep 29 05:10:21 geist said storage mode is not in the production code Sep 29 05:10:43 ifdef'd out Sep 29 05:11:32 that is the dumbest thing i've ever heard Sep 29 05:11:40 lets make it impossible for users to back shit up Sep 29 05:11:43 on purpose Sep 29 05:11:52 egaudet: after installing VKB on 1.2 all the images are in the photo app Sep 29 05:11:56 from bootie ? Sep 29 05:11:57 they should list that on the feature list Sep 29 05:12:04 1.2 is fucking awesome Sep 29 05:12:12 yea 1.2 sees .png now Sep 29 05:12:13 it feels a lot snappier Sep 29 05:12:21 I'll think of a fix Sep 29 05:12:22 what the heck... the browser doesn't work over evdo anymore? says i need to be connected to a network. Sep 29 05:12:32 you borked it, not 1.2 Sep 29 05:12:46 probably just rename them to png.stupidphotoapp Sep 29 05:13:03 bed time - night Sep 29 05:13:08 night night Sep 29 05:13:08 egaudet: why don't Palms .png's show up? Sep 29 05:13:09 i think storage mode without linux booted would be difficult, because /media/internal is an lvm volume Sep 29 05:13:18 * wh0dat is about to downgrade to the previous webos. Sep 29 05:13:23 MLJones8, because the keyboard images are in /media/internal Sep 29 05:13:26 o neat you can change the icons in the quick launch bar Sep 29 05:13:32 wh0dat, just use doctor Sep 29 05:13:35 i see. Sep 29 05:13:36 maybe it could export the entire raw flash device and let the host computer deal with the lvm Sep 29 05:13:49 which would be easyish in linux and probably impossible in windows Sep 29 05:13:51 yokken: to do what? Sep 29 05:13:59 sampson: you've been able to do that since the phone launched... Sep 29 05:14:00 that will fix the browser? Sep 29 05:14:04 wh0dat: restore to 1.2 and have your browser work over evdo Sep 29 05:14:14 why wouldn't it? it obviously has to work over evdo Sep 29 05:14:14 yeah well i just got my phone 2 weeks ago Sep 29 05:14:17 it's something you did Sep 29 05:14:19 so SHH Sep 29 05:14:41 sampson: so did i Sep 29 05:14:45 ok good night all Sep 29 05:14:48 and i knew how to do that on day 1 Sep 29 05:14:52 good night egaudet :( Sep 29 05:15:15 yokken: hmm Sep 29 05:15:16 can you do it through the phone? i found it poking around on the filesystem Sep 29 05:15:27 sampson: tap and hold any icon Sep 29 05:15:32 voila, you can move it Sep 29 05:15:34 lol Sep 29 05:15:37 no Sep 29 05:15:39 to the quick launch bar Sep 29 05:15:44 at the bottom of the screen Sep 29 05:15:47 yes. Sep 29 05:15:50 tap and hold them Sep 29 05:16:12 oh neat Sep 29 05:16:16 ...lol Sep 29 05:16:16 learn something new errday! Sep 29 05:16:24 i love saying errday Sep 29 05:16:32 you are automatically awesome in my book Sep 29 05:21:28 has anyone here seen moulin rouge? Sep 29 05:24:44 i haven't Sep 29 05:24:53 I watched it once Sep 29 05:24:59 that was all it was worth Sep 29 05:25:16 i love that movie Sep 29 05:25:19 you watch your mouth Sep 29 05:25:32 anyone ever seen this before "/opt/share/quilt/series: line 48: getopt: command not found" when trying to run any quilt command Sep 29 05:26:00 did your quilt bork? Sep 29 05:26:05 i think so Sep 29 05:27:10 for some reason it seems quilt can hit getopt to parse my quilt arguments Sep 29 05:27:17 ohshi Sep 29 05:29:36 hmm, optware says i have getopt installed Sep 29 05:29:37 and updated Sep 29 05:29:47 try and reboot this bish Sep 29 05:35:45 hmm Sep 29 05:36:26 IT'S RSYNC TIME, BITCHES Sep 29 05:36:36 both host and pre are approx. 3 feet from wireless access point Sep 29 05:36:48 hahaha it's transferring music. this should be fun Sep 29 05:37:49 there. excluded it Sep 29 05:37:57 so all the themes but that one suck Sep 29 05:38:01 i fucking love being a techie sometimes Sep 29 05:38:04 but you liked moulin rogue? Sep 29 05:38:11 oil: Minimalist+ is pretty good Sep 29 05:38:16 thats it, you have no taste at all Sep 29 05:38:16 and i love moulin rouge Sep 29 05:38:23 i have LOTS of taste Sep 29 05:38:26 feel free to try and defend yourself Sep 29 05:38:29 but its over for you Sep 29 05:38:41 anyone want to help me out getting preware installed, wiki is not working Sep 29 05:38:42 i like movies like pulp fiction, donnie darko, american beauty, requiem for a dream, pi, eternal sunshine of the spotless mind Sep 29 05:38:51 does that save me in your mind? Sep 29 05:38:57 opie_, what's wrong? Sep 29 05:38:58 no Sep 29 05:39:01 you've already lost it Sep 29 05:39:07 oil: lol k Sep 29 05:39:21 ir0nic: /usr/bin/ipkg -o /var install org.webosinternals.preware returns "package not found" Sep 29 05:39:27 sorry, i don't like serifs as my main system fonts, i don't like white pixels around my icons, and i don't like complicated backgrounds. Sep 29 05:39:36 opie_: have you tried webos quick install? Sep 29 05:39:44 no Sep 29 05:39:45 if you already have doctor downloaded, it's a lot simpler Sep 29 05:40:08 try "ipkg-opt install preware" Sep 29 05:40:15 i think that's the syntax Sep 29 05:40:31 'ipkg-opt list |grep preware' returns me nothing Sep 29 05:40:47 i see Sep 29 05:40:49 same results with /usr/bin/ipkg -o /var list |grep preware Sep 29 05:40:52 umm hang on Sep 29 05:41:17 i followed the steps on http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Terminal Sep 29 05:41:35 getting the feeds setup Sep 29 05:41:51 and then you did all that shit on the Application:Preware page? Sep 29 05:41:53 cat /var/etc/ipkg/* Sep 29 05:42:06 do you have webosinternals in there? Sep 29 05:42:09 i'd just use webos quick install... super easy Sep 29 05:43:05 so i just want to say FUCK YOU palm! Sep 29 05:43:18 fuck them for allowing you to do exactly what you wanted with your pre? Sep 29 05:43:33 oil: no for making a un-backupable device Sep 29 05:43:53 should have thought about backing it up before you went and attempted to break it Sep 29 05:43:55 oil: there is no information of the sorts that i can find on Application:Preware Sep 29 05:44:09 i installed ipkgservice Sep 29 05:44:10 oil: oh really, update is an attempt to break it Sep 29 05:44:22 you said you messed with it Sep 29 05:44:39 oil: only after it failed to udpate Sep 29 05:44:53 and went into an infinite loop Sep 29 05:44:56 my pre failed to transfer about 8000 files... Sep 29 05:44:58 tyring to update Sep 29 05:46:05 i should modify the dr Sep 29 05:46:15 so that it boots into a special shell with ssh Sep 29 05:46:19 oil: am i missing something here? Sep 29 05:46:58 yeah i don't see a feed for git.webos-internals.org in my /var/etc/ipkg/* Sep 29 05:47:11 its not for git.webos-internals.org Sep 29 05:47:18 its src/gz webosinternals http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/all Sep 29 05:49:30 uh oh Sep 29 05:49:41 i removed all patches that i applied through quilt Sep 29 05:49:50 and now my screen wont show any icons Sep 29 05:49:51 lol Sep 29 05:50:19 i think that's it, webos-internals.conf had "# This feed is not configured - please make sure the postinst script is executed to create this feed." Fixing it now, thanks Sep 29 05:51:34 hooray ipkg -o /var list |grep preware has a hit! Sep 29 05:51:50 1.2 wont break preware will it? Sep 29 05:52:15 i def. echo'd out that command thanks oil. It must not have taken or got overwritten Sep 29 05:53:37 ohh Sep 29 05:53:39 hey oil Sep 29 05:53:43 can you take a peek at the wikik Sep 29 05:53:46 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Terminal Sep 29 05:53:53 is that line missing a ">" Sep 29 05:55:37 anyone? Sep 29 05:56:48 oh it should be >> right? Sep 29 05:57:04 i think so Sep 29 05:57:18 i bet hmagoo knows Sep 29 05:57:35 no Sep 29 05:57:41 i just tried it Sep 29 05:57:44 the commands are ok Sep 29 05:57:48 k Sep 29 05:57:50 >> must mean appent Sep 29 05:57:55 I don't know nada Sep 29 05:57:55 but its not there in the first command Sep 29 05:58:11 so you're just outputing to the file Sep 29 05:58:12 guess i suck at typing then Sep 29 05:58:57 > will create/overwrite the file, >> will append. Sep 29 05:59:11 there Sep 29 05:59:14 confirmation Sep 29 05:59:16 ohh, i bet that the postinit overwrote it Sep 29 05:59:18 let me check Sep 29 06:00:00 emoney_33 directed me here for info about setteing up preware to test the .patch as homebrew. anyone know about it? Sep 29 06:00:26 its written like that, assumingly, so if you were to re-do the instructions you wouldn't end up with duplicates in your .conf file Sep 29 06:04:21 gotcha Sep 29 06:04:53 looks like the termplugin.postinst does some re-writting to the webos-internals.conf also Sep 29 06:05:15 i'm going to run the termplugin.postint again to see if it dies Sep 29 06:05:24 hmmmm Sep 29 06:05:25 and borks my webos-internals.conf Sep 29 06:05:35 update wont install lol, it says i gotta be at 30% battery life Sep 29 06:05:43 but im at 32... Sep 29 06:05:43 lol Sep 29 06:06:01 it must have 3% factor of saftey Sep 29 06:06:05 PrestonJames: Sep 29 06:06:10 echo "src/gz autopatch http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/autopatch/all" > /var/etc/ipkg/autopatch.conf Sep 29 06:06:54 tlz: the battery in the menu lies Sep 29 06:07:00 its 4% higher then it really is Sep 29 06:07:15 that lying piece of crap Sep 29 06:07:16 so your batter is actually at 28% Sep 29 06:07:57 heh, and its on the charger Sep 29 06:07:58 s/batter/battery/ Sep 29 06:07:59 oil meant: so your battery is actually at 28% Sep 29 06:08:07 hmm webos-internals.conf seems fine after running termplugin.postinst. I'm going to chalk it up to user error Sep 29 06:08:16 lol Sep 29 06:11:13 ahh nice, using preware for the first time Sep 29 06:11:23 working good on a fresh install of 1.2 Sep 29 06:14:03 yay. Sep 29 06:16:06 wow, preware is amazing Sep 29 06:16:37 :) Sep 29 06:18:05 it's everything i wish the appstore was, supporting multiple feeds, this is great stuff Sep 29 06:18:30 i assume it supports updates? Sep 29 06:19:17 they show up in "Package Updates" when it has some Sep 29 06:19:18 autopatch pkg install error 4 :( Sep 29 06:19:36 amazing.... Sep 29 06:20:40 here goes nothin.... Sep 29 06:26:29 echo "src/gz autopatch http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/autopatch/all" > /var/etc/ipkg/autopatch.conf Sep 29 06:26:33 still good for 1.2?? Sep 29 06:27:16 error: no md5sums.patched file!? Sep 29 06:27:23 im trying to remove my keyboard patch Sep 29 06:27:30 but i keep getting that error Sep 29 06:31:15 SKMOUT333: yeah, but they're not all updated for 1.2 Sep 29 06:31:20 some are Sep 29 06:32:09 any examples quickly off the top of your head? Sep 29 06:32:40 Preware is truly growing :D Sep 29 06:32:43 its amazing Sep 29 06:33:15 ok, looking at the patches now :) Sep 29 06:33:32 I assume the ones done today are good :D Sep 29 06:33:44 4x4 , new card, and led? Sep 29 06:34:34 error installing 4x4? Sep 29 06:34:38 any ideas oil? Sep 29 06:35:01 error installling new card Sep 29 06:35:32 error installing led Sep 29 06:35:35 :( Sep 29 06:36:36 no clue Sep 29 06:36:48 i was able to install 4x4 perfectly Sep 29 06:36:51 damn.. i cant get this thing to remove my keyboard patch lol Sep 29 06:37:19 really? Sep 29 06:37:25 how about led? Sep 29 06:41:15 4x4 worked through preware for you or WOSQI? Sep 29 06:47:57 ok got the keyboard workin Sep 29 06:48:04 needed to run the postinst Sep 29 06:48:21 SKMOUT333 Sep 29 06:48:30 when you're in preware, are there any patches showing up? Sep 29 06:48:54 yes Sep 29 06:49:45 have you guys heard of people getting 2 webos updates? Sep 29 06:49:48 one of them being 153mb Sep 29 06:49:54 mine isn't showing patches available Sep 29 06:50:12 I see no patches on preware... well VKB is installed... did the others finally make it? Sep 29 06:50:27 going to bed Sep 29 06:50:30 night all Sep 29 06:50:34 MLJones8, im in the same boat.. only saw vkb.. but nothing else Sep 29 06:50:47 im not getting any errors either saying that the ipkgservice isnt running or what not Sep 29 06:51:36 tlz: I don't think any patches have become available yet... they had errors earlier tonight... Sep 29 06:51:45 ahhh Sep 29 06:51:47 gotcha Sep 29 06:52:04 oil said he got 4x4 to work Sep 29 06:52:17 perhaps via quilt. Sep 29 06:52:19 which leads me to believe the others would work as well as they haad the same errors Sep 29 06:52:20 so nobody has heard about the second 1.2 update? Sep 29 06:52:21 no Sep 29 06:52:25 via preware Sep 29 06:52:50 ir0nic: nope, sorry Sep 29 06:52:54 WAIT Sep 29 06:52:55 WAIT Sep 29 06:52:55 mine was 78mb or somethin Sep 29 06:52:56 OK Sep 29 06:53:02 my friend is super confused about it Sep 29 06:53:10 I installed, it errored, HOWEVER after a reboot, HEY 4x4 Sep 29 06:53:12 :D:D:D:D Sep 29 06:53:21 what is 4x4 Sep 29 06:53:25 IT WORKS Sep 29 06:53:27 4x4 icons Sep 29 06:53:30 skymout what version of preware are you using? Sep 29 06:53:36 4x4 icons in the launcher Sep 29 06:53:43 ahh gotcha Sep 29 06:53:50 it gives an error 4 and then works after a restart :S Sep 29 06:53:52 im fine with the 3, i added multiple pages though Sep 29 06:54:15 LHOLY SHIT Sep 29 06:54:21 The led patch works too Sep 29 06:54:25 yeah so? Sep 29 06:54:29 how'd you install the LED patch Sep 29 06:54:30 that's made for 1.2... Sep 29 06:54:30 after a restart, all errored patches are working LD Sep 29 06:54:48 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/201642-webos-1-2-patch-blinking-led-notifications-5.html#post1927748 Sep 29 06:54:50 command line,or via preware Sep 29 06:54:55 whats the irc command to get someone attention? Sep 29 06:55:01 name: Sep 29 06:55:15 oil: you there Sep 29 06:55:22 name:oil you there Sep 29 06:55:26 lmao Sep 29 06:55:39 I havent done this in forever Sep 29 06:56:03 skmout333: how did you install the patches? Sep 29 06:56:08 howd you do that Sep 29 06:56:10 :P Sep 29 06:56:15 the get my attention thing Sep 29 06:56:18 I did it in preware Sep 29 06:56:19 :D Sep 29 06:56:23 just your name... seriously Sep 29 06:56:39 by typing your name skmout333... what version of preware are you using? Sep 29 06:56:47 oh, wait a tic Sep 29 06:56:48 :P Sep 29 06:56:54 +oil: you there Sep 29 06:57:06 damn, why cant i ddo it Sep 29 06:57:08 seriously, it's just this Sep 29 06:57:08 :P Sep 29 06:57:10 I feel idiotic Sep 29 06:57:16 I used to be able to do this Sep 29 06:57:17 oil: sorry for annoying you so much Sep 29 06:57:22 You are.. he may have walked away from the computer. Sep 29 06:57:32 it only highlights him on HIS irc client, if his client supports it Sep 29 06:57:37 oh, shit Sep 29 06:57:40 why would it be all special for you? Sep 29 06:57:44 your name isn't oil Sep 29 06:57:57 sorry bout that oil, getting used to irc again Sep 29 06:58:05 my sincerest aplogies Sep 29 06:58:11 apologies* Sep 29 06:58:21 how do i update the preware feeds to include the patches? Sep 29 06:58:31 autopatcher Sep 29 06:58:35 look it up Sep 29 06:58:40 it's a repository Sep 29 06:58:40 eh? Sep 29 06:58:41 thats correct Sep 29 06:58:46 hey oil Sep 29 06:58:55 skmout333 REALLY needed to talk to you Sep 29 06:58:58 so, I got the errors on all the patches after installing Sep 29 06:59:11 zachwezenberg_1@hotmail.com (msn) Sep 29 06:59:24 and after a restart ALL patches installed are worrking fine :) Sep 29 06:59:29 Just thought Id let you know Sep 29 06:59:35 just weird it errored first :S Sep 29 06:59:42 i just installed the led_blinking.patch Sep 29 06:59:45 we'll see if all goes well Sep 29 07:00:00 hi if anyone is able to help me with the virtual keyboard. I just updated to webos 1.2 and preware 0.9.1 and I now get error [4] when installing the onscreen keyboard. it was working fine in 1.1 Sep 29 07:00:03 idk what to tell you Sep 29 07:00:13 it woorks PERFECT tlz Sep 29 07:00:24 tlz: remember to enable it Sep 29 07:00:33 Error 4 is fine, just restart Sep 29 07:00:35 hckyplayer024: people SAID that it breaks. Sep 29 07:00:43 and no, error 4 is NOT fine. it means the script didn't work Sep 29 07:00:47 its a lie Sep 29 07:00:49 and nothing is changed Sep 29 07:01:00 error 4 IS fine Sep 29 07:01:09 I just installed 4 patches, error 4! Sep 29 07:01:14 i forget, were you the one asking how to highlight someone's name in irc? Sep 29 07:01:16 and, hey after a restart, works perfect Sep 29 07:01:21 saying you get error 4 tells us nothing Sep 29 07:01:27 other then the service told preware it "failed" Sep 29 07:01:28 thats it Sep 29 07:01:31 i will, mine didn't error yet Sep 29 07:01:41 if you really want to know whats going on Sep 29 07:01:41 error 4 means the md5check error Sep 29 07:01:45 you need to look at the ipkglog Sep 29 07:01:47 the log Sep 29 07:01:48 if my character counter worked i'd believe you Sep 29 07:01:48 it see what it says Sep 29 07:01:50 I know Sep 29 07:01:55 you say you know Sep 29 07:01:58 but you keep saying error 4 Sep 29 07:02:02 okay do you want me to type everything it says? Sep 29 07:02:13 in regards to hcky Sep 29 07:02:16 this is the first time I have come in and ive said error 4 once Sep 29 07:02:16 hckyplayer024: do my knowledge the osk hasn't been updated for 1.2 Sep 29 07:02:19 nice, enable LED notifications is in preware now Sep 29 07:02:23 cause he said the blinking led Sep 29 07:02:23 so, you're going to get errors till its fixed Sep 29 07:02:29 exactly Sep 29 07:02:31 actually it JUST got updated oil Sep 29 07:02:33 damnit Sep 29 07:02:38 now i need a notification.. Sep 29 07:02:39 it's in the repo, says it'll only work with 1.2 Sep 29 07:02:41 it says it was updated to work with 1.2 Sep 29 07:02:41 has anyone said it works yet? Sep 29 07:02:42 someone send me a txt ;) Sep 29 07:02:42 lol Sep 29 07:02:43 I was just saying that even though an error 4 for whoever was getting in, it still works Sep 29 07:02:45 has it been tested? Sep 29 07:02:55 must have Sep 29 07:02:56 andd ir0nic was making it sound like it hasnt Sep 29 07:02:58 yes oil, some people confirmed it worked Sep 29 07:03:05 It works PERFECT Sep 29 07:03:09 I just did it Sep 29 07:03:16 and yes Im a born again noob to irc Sep 29 07:03:19 Im sorry Sep 29 07:03:22 Hmm... not in my preware. Sep 29 07:03:25 then i honestly don't know why you're getting the error Sep 29 07:03:25 its been awhile since the PSP scene Sep 29 07:03:26 echo "src/gz autopatch http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/autopatch/all" > /var/etc/ipkg/autopatch.conf Sep 29 07:03:33 MLJONES Sep 29 07:03:33 MLJones8: you need the autopatch feed Sep 29 07:03:35 ^^^ Sep 29 07:03:46 yeah i got no patch updates in my preware :( Sep 29 07:03:48 echo "src/gz autopatch http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/autopatch/all" > /var/etc/ipkg/autopatch.conf (auto patch feed) Sep 29 07:03:51 thx. Sep 29 07:03:52 tlz Sep 29 07:04:00 No problem Sep 29 07:04:14 just got error 4 on message forwarding, hunk 2 failed at 1577 Sep 29 07:04:21 SKMOUT333, does that fix the patch updates? Sep 29 07:04:24 i bet you anything it doesn't work, skmout333 Sep 29 07:04:25 Im sorry for bugging you oil and my stupidity with irc, I figured Id get torn ffor asking in here anyways Sep 29 07:04:32 the blinking led? Sep 29 07:04:41 no, i installed that fine Sep 29 07:04:50 just need to test it Sep 29 07:04:51 lol Sep 29 07:04:57 oil so what info did you want me to give you from the ipkg log Sep 29 07:04:57 need your # then Sep 29 07:05:20 hckyplayer024: i know nothing of the patches Sep 29 07:05:27 oh okay Sep 29 07:05:41 and how do you add the autopatch to preware? Sep 29 07:06:03 the autopatch feed* as mentioned above Sep 29 07:06:11 the command that SKMOUT333 gave Sep 29 07:06:16 you run that, and it adds the feed Sep 29 07:06:19 echo "src/gz autopatch http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/autopatch/all" > /var/etc/ipkg/autopatch.conf Sep 29 07:06:41 in the terminal? any other commands? Sep 29 07:06:41 what does that do exactly lol Sep 29 07:06:56 it puts that text in the autopatch.conf file Sep 29 07:06:57 it adds the Autopatch feed Sep 29 07:07:07 just that Sep 29 07:07:07 tlz: get a sms text yet? Sep 29 07:07:08 in terminal Sep 29 07:07:12 not yet Sep 29 07:07:13 do i need to restart after that Sep 29 07:07:15 then run the feed update in preware Sep 29 07:07:15 use sprint's online text messager Sep 29 07:07:19 no, no restart Sep 29 07:07:22 ooo, good call Sep 29 07:07:25 okay Sep 29 07:07:30 sweet Sep 29 07:07:33 works perfect Sep 29 07:07:34 thanks Sep 29 07:08:31 now we just need better separation of webos 1.1 and 1.2 compatible patches Sep 29 07:08:41 with version checking Sep 29 07:08:43 super easy to do Sep 29 07:08:55 i dont know of a command to get the webos version from within mojo Sep 29 07:08:57 ahh sweet, the led works Sep 29 07:09:03 oil: i'm sure someone does Sep 29 07:09:25 hopefully we can get that implemented soon Sep 29 07:09:48 it would probably screw up a lot of people if they try to put webos 1.1 patches on 1.2 Sep 29 07:10:03 no it wont Sep 29 07:10:05 because they fail Sep 29 07:10:12 oh alright Sep 29 07:10:18 well i guess thats good then haha Sep 29 07:10:30 alright im off thanks for all the help Sep 29 07:10:37 There are more working ones than I expected :) Sep 29 07:10:54 message forwarding doesn't Sep 29 07:10:58 but i'm glad character counter does Sep 29 07:10:59 no it doesnt Sep 29 07:11:00 i <3 it Sep 29 07:11:03 :D Sep 29 07:11:08 there ya go Sep 29 07:11:15 alright guys, i'm heading to bed Sep 29 07:11:17 same here actually Sep 29 07:11:18 oil should go to bed too Sep 29 07:11:26 night to you Sep 29 07:11:30 night night Sep 29 07:12:59 oil: were you interested in the MSN yahoo and Icq plugins at all? Sep 29 07:14:44 it just so happens more collumns were added to messeges in version 1.2 and they were quite sneaky with other various additions as well, but greg and I have been testing and he should have it 1.2 compatible tomorrow or the next day and he still is very interested in facebook chat Sep 29 07:14:56 Everything we tried tonight was just not working though Sep 29 07:15:11 its there, just not visable at all so therefore unusable Sep 29 07:15:26 yahoo plugins eh Sep 29 07:15:34 can i get yahoo msgr on the pre yet? Sep 29 07:15:48 not yet, maybe the day after tomorrow if all goes well :) Sep 29 07:15:59 sweet Sep 29 07:16:26 I miss it already, I had it for about half a week and now with 1.2 we are having a hard time Sep 29 07:17:22 tlz: have you done the videocam service from canuck yet? Sep 29 07:17:29 no! Sep 29 07:17:32 where's that at! Sep 29 07:17:38 precentral :) Sep 29 07:17:42 Enjoy! Sep 29 07:17:50 whaaaat Sep 29 07:17:54 * tlz navigates Sep 29 07:18:02 i should totally be trying to pack for my trip tomorrow Sep 29 07:18:06 but im playing with my phone Sep 29 07:18:18 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/197022-video-recording-real-no-gui-17.html Sep 29 07:18:27 ^^^ :) Sep 29 07:21:37 heh Sep 29 07:21:43 thank god the hide nascar patch still works with 1.2 Sep 29 07:21:52 that seems pointless Sep 29 07:21:59 i just move it to the bottom of hte last page, i never see it Sep 29 07:22:09 Sep 29 07:22:10 lo Sep 29 07:22:11 ll Sep 29 07:24:08 I never felt tthe need to hide anything either Sep 29 07:24:09 oil: It's a control freak thing. I'd actually rather a *delete* NASCAR patch :P ...but fortunately I don't have to worry about that since I'll never be a Sprint customer :) Sep 29 07:24:47 bellmo? or...? Sep 29 07:25:03 whatever crazy aussies use Sep 29 07:25:18 :P ah, I see Sep 29 07:25:47 do patches take effect immediately or is a restart of luna required? Sep 29 07:26:01 restart Sep 29 07:26:11 its still in testing so he doesn't have it in the feed to automatically do it yet Sep 29 07:26:27 is there a way to trigger that without a full restart of the phone? Sep 29 07:26:34 lunamanager Sep 29 07:29:49 +1 Sep 29 07:29:55 much better than a restart Sep 29 07:30:05 found in preware.. Sep 29 07:30:31 ok. last noob question from me. should luna restart after every patch, or can i install a few at a time. Sep 29 07:30:33 did 1.2 fix increase the # of apps you could install Sep 29 07:30:46 No. Sep 29 07:30:47 PrestonJames: install a few then restart Sep 29 07:31:31 thanks. Sep 29 07:32:34 damn Sep 29 07:32:46 the timestamp patch makes the bubbles look HUGE lol Sep 29 07:33:38 I've always preferred it the way palm did Sep 29 07:38:50 Is there a tweak to decrease the font size of the messaging app? Sep 29 07:38:59 It's ridiculously huge in webOS. PalmOS was much more compact Sep 29 07:40:07 not as of now Sep 29 07:40:14 my font size isnt huge, the spacing is lol Sep 29 07:40:27 heh. Would it just be a CSS change? Sep 29 07:40:43 I really have to get my arse in gear and start experimenting with this stuff myself Sep 29 07:40:49 * freakout wishes for 48hr days Sep 29 07:41:03 I'm out... night all Sep 29 07:41:07 nite Sep 29 07:41:20 night Sep 29 07:42:53 * oil wants 6 day weeks Sep 29 07:50:45 * freakout stares quizically at oil Sep 29 07:50:50 *less* time? Sep 29 07:50:55 :P Sep 29 07:51:01 was wondering myself as well Sep 29 08:02:54 no Sep 29 08:02:56 more time per day Sep 29 08:03:10 ahhhhhhhhhhhh Sep 29 08:03:13 http://www.dbeat.com/28/ Sep 29 08:04:14 lol Sep 29 08:04:27 that's so batshit-fucking-crazy it might just work Sep 29 08:04:42 seriously Sep 29 08:04:53 i wish my work would let me do it Sep 29 08:05:02 they're not too keen on me showing up at weird times Sep 29 08:05:07 lol Sep 29 08:05:12 Conformists Sep 29 08:05:17 its awesome cause it removes monday Sep 29 08:05:19 the worst day Sep 29 08:05:22 but you still get 2 day weekends Sep 29 08:05:43 * freakout is closely examining the timeline diagram Sep 29 08:05:49 * freakout nods approvingly Sep 29 08:06:18 Oh and here's a teensy little scoop for the channel, so long as you promise not to tell bloody PreCentral :p Sep 29 08:06:34 * oil dials tip line Sep 29 08:06:39 lol Sep 29 08:06:42 http://www.flickr.com/photos/28414629@N07/3963917342/sizes/o/ Sep 29 08:06:42 lol Sep 29 08:06:54 Funambol are launching it Wednesday Sep 29 08:06:59 (which is actually thursday my time) Sep 29 08:07:07 Which means AOL sync for Pre very, very soon Sep 29 08:07:21 that guys email address is lol Sep 29 08:07:27 spam@funambol.com Sep 29 08:07:36 heh, i laughed too Sep 29 08:07:59 The email just dropped in my inbox, I guess they remembered me from when I was asking about AOL sync last month Sep 29 08:08:16 But not just AOL sync, this'll be a full-blown OSS alternative to Google etc Sep 29 08:08:34 And they say they'll have "full Palm Pre support" Sep 29 08:09:28 what exactly is this...http://www.flickr.com/photos/28414629@N07/3963917342/sizes/o/ Sep 29 08:09:33 I dont understand Sep 29 08:09:39 sorry if I missed something Sep 29 08:11:55 oh I think I get it, kinda.. :P Sep 29 08:12:27 freakout: Its gonna be an app for the Pre then you think ? Sep 29 08:12:51 he is saying aol stuff in synergy Sep 29 08:13:26 SMKOUT333: dunno, I'm just about to ring the PR lady who mailed me Sep 29 08:13:35 AOL use Funambol for their sync Sep 29 08:13:43 But this portal looks entirely seperate from that Sep 29 08:14:05 hmmm, but its supposed to be released this week sometime? Sep 29 08:14:09 So potentially there's another option coming to webOS contacts etc Sep 29 08:14:15 calendar, and so forth Sep 29 08:14:43 SKMOUT333 yep. Again. Not a word to Pre-we-get-exclusive-freaking-Pixi-previews-Central :p Sep 29 08:15:05 * freakout glares at channel lurkers, shakes fist Sep 29 08:15:10 And that goes to you too! :p Sep 29 08:15:12 lmao Sep 29 08:15:17 understood Sep 29 08:15:34 however isnt funambol messaging as well Sep 29 08:15:36 ? Sep 29 08:15:38 you know, the channel IS logged Sep 29 08:16:18 There are also Funambol-provided and community-provided clients for devices where the SyncML client is missing, such as Outlook, BlackBerry (community project), Windows Mobile, Palm (community project) and iPod. You can setup a full PIM synchronization system that allows your Outlook contacts to be in sync with all of your wireless devic Sep 29 08:16:30 oil: i know Sep 29 08:16:49 it's not that a big a deal really Sep 29 08:16:53 lol Sep 29 08:17:01 but still, every little leg-up helps Sep 29 08:17:54 I have to wait for the damn PIC editor to wake up in San Diego anyway Sep 29 08:18:10 anyhoo. Off to dinner and to make phone call... Sep 29 08:18:39 * freakout_mmm thinks "What, I can't have freakout_mmm, dinner"? Sep 29 08:19:07 good enough? Sep 29 08:19:16 close enough Sep 29 08:39:16 did I miss anything? Sep 29 08:42:04 yes Sep 29 08:42:18 1.2 was finally released Sep 29 08:42:19 xD Sep 29 08:43:11 was it? Sep 29 08:43:15 I am on beta 1.5 Sep 29 08:43:36 The app catalog went back into alpha Sep 29 08:43:40 lol Sep 29 08:43:49 teh catalog hasnt loaded for me allday Sep 29 08:43:59 I made a n00b guide for the LED notifications Sep 29 08:44:14 I was on the catalog earlier but I can't install anything LOL Sep 29 08:47:10 aww man someone made an "Official 1.3 anticipation" thread but it got deleted :( Sep 29 08:47:27 lol Sep 29 08:47:31 that thread should have been deleted Sep 29 08:47:42 people would have just flooded it with stupid "i want this" posts Sep 29 08:47:43 yeah I put a fail pic in it Sep 29 08:47:52 there is another one already Sep 29 08:48:39 ah yes Sep 29 08:48:40 http://forums.precentral.net/general-webos-chat/205680-webos-1-3-when-11-a.html Sep 29 08:49:11 scnr? Sep 29 08:49:37 hell if I know Sep 29 08:52:03 wtf Sep 29 08:52:16 the alabama quarter has helen keller on it?! Sep 29 08:52:52 lol Sep 29 08:53:15 lame ass pre tv spot tonight on heroes Sep 29 08:53:32 it was a non functioning one lol! Sep 29 08:53:41 stuck in card mode like the press shots Sep 29 08:53:44 i download all the tv i watch Sep 29 08:53:50 I know Sep 29 08:53:54 so, uh, didnt see any commercials Sep 29 08:54:06 It was in the show Sep 29 08:54:34 oh wait I think that was a commercial but it was kinda not a commercial because it had the cast in it Sep 29 08:54:45 well that is more than annoying, my phone just logged me out of my profile and re-provisioned itself. Sep 29 08:54:47 it wasnt in the version i saw Sep 29 08:55:10 did you lose data? Sep 29 08:55:35 quite a bit, haven't had a chance to check the damage...seems /var got wiped, but /media/internal survived. Sep 29 08:55:47 ouch Sep 29 08:55:58 oil: why are we still awake? Sep 29 08:56:00 lol Sep 29 08:56:04 Eguy: you still watch heroes? Sep 29 08:56:07 ^ not sure yet, haven't been on the box yet, apps are gone, splashid data is gone so that is an assumption. Sep 29 08:56:14 cause i dont plan on going to work tomorrow Sep 29 08:56:26 hah I have to be at work at 7 today yipee Sep 29 08:56:43 yes Freakout: I am a pretty big fan Sep 29 08:56:46 good news is that i rsynced it a few days ago. Sep 29 08:57:03 Eguy: Season 2 drove me away Sep 29 08:57:11 3 was better then 2 Sep 29 08:57:24 I probably should use rsync but I am too lazy to setup everything Sep 29 08:57:33 2 did suck Sep 29 08:57:41 Can I skip 2 and download 3 without missing massive important story elements? Sep 29 08:57:48 yeah Sep 29 08:57:48 yesterday was pretty good Sep 29 08:58:00 there are some people in the beginning of 3 that were introduced in 2 Sep 29 08:58:03 probably but i hate to miss an episode of anything Sep 29 08:58:05 but they're pretty trivial Sep 29 08:58:14 what, the sickness chick Sep 29 08:58:21 thats pretty much the only thing tha went from 2 to 3 Sep 29 08:58:29 I can't remember XD Sep 29 08:59:06 It'll go in my dl queue next week when I get my 2TB HDD Sep 29 08:59:22 'cause my 1TB cannae take any more, cap'n Sep 29 08:59:23 4 has been pretty good sofar Sep 29 08:59:30 does anyone actually buy stuff no adays? lol Sep 29 08:59:33 now* Sep 29 08:59:52 Eguy: nothing beats torrents for convenience and speed, IMO Sep 29 08:59:57 I don't like the gretchen girl she probably kills the people in the dorms lol Sep 29 09:00:16 especially for international suckers like myself Sep 29 09:00:22 well, everyone but claire Sep 29 09:00:33 you can't kill her Sep 29 09:00:35 she probably has a power Sep 29 09:00:58 freakout: you could go and legally buy the heroes dvd set :P Sep 29 09:01:03 lol Sep 29 09:01:13 Sure... after the season has already aired! Sep 29 09:01:25 maybe there will be some college "experimentation" Sep 29 09:01:28 that would be hot Sep 29 09:01:30 lol Sep 29 09:01:51 * freakout wonders where that fapping sound is coming from Sep 29 09:01:57 lol Sep 29 09:01:59 lol oil Sep 29 09:02:09 she's pretty ugly Sep 29 09:02:31 puppet man was the creepiest Sep 29 09:02:35 lol Sep 29 09:03:02 Eguy: I actually do buy box sets of stuff, for instance I have every Star Trek set (at their outrageous prices too). but I'm still gonna download. If you don't watch quick, spoilers will ruin your fun Sep 29 09:03:02 peter is gonna get f'ed up by the scottish guy Sep 29 09:03:07 idk Sep 29 09:03:12 i bet he joins the circus Sep 29 09:03:21 not under his own will Sep 29 09:03:22 Peter bugs the fuck outta me Sep 29 09:03:31 Worst. Actor. Ever. Sep 29 09:03:36 lol Sep 29 09:03:36 he's just a character lol Sep 29 09:03:44 no no that is bill shatner lol Sep 29 09:03:52 among other people Sep 29 09:03:55 * freakout BITCH-SLAPS Eguy Sep 29 09:04:12 he . talks. like. this. Sep 29 09:04:17 NEVER insult the Shat Sep 29 09:04:19 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6MuK8PHzPg Sep 29 09:04:29 I met him in RL Sep 29 09:04:34 major douche Sep 29 09:04:45 really??? Sep 29 09:04:49 can i touch you? Sep 29 09:04:50 I mean major Sep 29 09:05:03 that just makes him more awesome :p Sep 29 09:05:03 woah there cowboy settle down Sep 29 09:05:22 this has gotten extremely offtopic hasn;t it Sep 29 09:05:36 * freakout can just imagine rwhitby's disapproving stare Sep 29 09:05:43 He's still gone Sep 29 09:06:34 Eguy, I bet he's having cold shudders while on holiday Sep 29 09:06:40 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InsspuvAmBs that's what he does when there is offtopic convo in here Sep 29 09:06:45 and wondering "Why did I just shudder just now?" Sep 29 09:07:02 lol Sep 29 09:07:21 Okay, I need to stop chatting. things to write! Sep 29 09:07:38 * Eguy does not understand the reasoning behind the word holiday when it is vacation Sep 29 09:07:58 Oh please, Eguy, you cultural imperialist Sep 29 09:08:00 SIlly brits :P Sep 29 09:08:26 I watch too much top gear.... Sep 29 09:08:32 You Americans and your driving on the wrong side of the road and weird spelling and stupid backwards dates and still using freaking imperial measurements... Sep 29 09:08:37 * punzada-m is upgrading his windows partition to 7 atm Sep 29 09:08:56 It takes a while but it is pretty smooth Sep 29 09:09:10 (mine did at least) Sep 29 09:09:15 im doing it off usb to save time Sep 29 09:09:42 how much data do you have? Sep 29 09:09:47 on the drive Sep 29 09:10:15 what? Sep 29 09:10:20 internet crapped out Sep 29 09:10:32 Oh don't lie to us Sep 29 09:10:35 how much data Sep 29 09:10:39 in GB's Sep 29 09:10:40 We all heard the fapping and the heroes theme music :p Sep 29 09:10:44 crapped* not capped Sep 29 09:10:52 i was watching that kirk vid Sep 29 09:10:53 and it stopped Sep 29 09:10:58 lol Sep 29 09:10:58 and i was like "Wtf, eh?" Sep 29 09:11:03 is on what? the iso is 3gb Sep 29 09:11:06 The manliness of Kirk broke your Internet! Sep 29 09:11:06 then everything disconnected Sep 29 09:11:06 freakout: we don't want to know what is going on in your mind Sep 29 09:11:22 no your previous windows install Sep 29 09:11:31 oh Sep 29 09:11:32 * freakout doesn't even want to know what's going on in his own mind sometimes Sep 29 09:11:37 i formatted it clean Sep 29 09:11:46 itsa 15@gb partition Sep 29 09:11:48 I thought you said upgrade Sep 29 09:12:15 well yah i am upgrading just doing a clean install as well Sep 29 09:12:32 alrighty Sep 29 10:26:47 hmmm is palm down for anyone else as far as updates and profiles goes? Sep 29 10:27:03 i just ran webos doctor and now can't log into my profile to finish up the install Sep 29 10:27:06 you use the palm profile? Sep 29 10:27:17 oic Sep 29 10:27:18 well seeing as how i can't use my phone unless i do .. yeah Sep 29 10:27:31 sigh Sep 29 10:27:44 updates aren't working right now either Sep 29 10:37:20 seigex: I'm sure it will get better... Sep 29 10:49:02 its back up now Sep 29 10:51:09 toldja Sep 29 10:54:46 must be psychic Sep 29 11:04:38 My mother says everyone's psychic. I'm atheist. Sep 29 11:14:46 hmmm Sep 29 11:15:08 damnit Sep 29 11:15:17 i just made a balogna sandwich Sep 29 11:15:24 but by the time i cleaned it up i was almost done Sep 29 11:15:31 now everything's put away and i want another one Sep 29 11:16:19 what to do.. whatever to do Sep 29 11:29:31 eat chips? Sep 29 11:31:53 what kinda fun did a miss last night Sep 29 12:43:49 for 1.2.0, i just have to uninstall patches right? like the onscreen keyboard. Sep 29 12:45:40 oh! it's available! Sep 29 12:45:45 when did that happen? Sep 29 12:46:07 yesterday or the day before Sep 29 12:46:12 :) Sep 29 12:46:13 forgot Sep 29 12:46:16 I was not notified Sep 29 12:46:26 I wonder what of my customizations will break when I install this Sep 29 12:46:51 i've heard that only patches have to be uninstalled Sep 29 12:46:53 (no patches, just a couple of startup scripts and things) Sep 29 12:47:11 that might count as a patch. Sep 29 12:47:14 I doubt the patches have to be uninstalled... they're probably just being paranoid Sep 29 12:47:19 at worst, you'd leave extra files behind Sep 29 12:47:30 could be I'm wrong, ... Sep 29 12:47:46 none of my startup scripts conflict with anything they're likely to add, so I doubt it's an issue Sep 29 12:49:28 yay, finished downloading. now it's "validating" Sep 29 12:49:35 which i guess means a checksum Sep 29 12:49:48 I'm like 2/3rds done downloading Sep 29 12:49:53 I'm almost peeing myself with excitement Sep 29 12:51:10 you know, i hope it was using wifi to download Sep 29 12:51:28 i'd hate to think it was downloading 77MBs over CDMA Sep 29 12:51:29 :| Sep 29 12:51:45 I have only 500MB's a month on my plan. Sep 29 12:51:57 cdma, highly unlikely... evdo, maybe. It seems to say it's going to try to use wifi Sep 29 12:52:04 I started the install. Sep 29 12:52:17 I'm excited for you. I feel like I'm at the end of a long car trip Sep 29 12:52:22 evdo is built on top of cdma :| Sep 29 12:52:29 i'm talking cdma as in the "cdma family" Sep 29 12:52:32 of technologies Sep 29 12:52:32 yes, but evdo is faster than my DSL if the weather is right Sep 29 12:52:38 so for patching [trying to fix the message timestamp one] commenting out an end bracket, "}" do i use // at the right or if, or the left? [im only very amatuer at coding.. and the line #'s have all changecd but the code still looks solid] Sep 29 12:52:39 I've personally had it go 6meg Sep 29 12:52:42 as opposed to gsm family. Sep 29 12:52:45 that wasn't the point Sep 29 12:52:51 I wasn't talking about speed Sep 29 12:52:53 ahh Sep 29 12:52:58 I was talking about monthly limits. Sep 29 12:53:09 strictly speaking, evdo isn't cdma, it's ofdm... pretty sure Sep 29 12:53:11 I have 500MB a month on my cell plan. Sep 29 12:53:24 sprint puts up 3 or 4 towers on each tower location. None are compatible Sep 29 12:53:41 it's usually considered part of that family though. Sep 29 12:53:48 oh, no, you're right, evdo is cdma+tdma in one Sep 29 12:54:09 brb Sep 29 13:00:00 installing Sep 29 13:01:35 mine is 80% or so done Sep 29 13:02:14 it's funny that it says "do not remove the battery" Sep 29 13:02:18 mine says to not remove the battery Sep 29 13:02:19 yeah Sep 29 13:02:22 are there actually people that would do that Sep 29 13:02:23 what kind of nitwit? Sep 29 13:02:26 hah Sep 29 13:02:30 * jettero puts his hand up for the fiver. Sep 29 13:02:38 :P Sep 29 13:03:02 mine is connected to USB anyways Sep 29 13:03:47 hm Sep 29 13:04:00 the progress bar vanished (and the battery message) Sep 29 13:04:05 before it filled Sep 29 13:04:08 it rebooted Sep 29 13:04:11 :O Sep 29 13:04:28 it has begun, the dawn of a new era Sep 29 13:05:24 hm, the palm logo is glowing now. Sep 29 13:05:40 i don't know if it's just me, but it almost looks like it's glowing brighter than it usually does Sep 29 13:07:15 UPDATE failed to properly validate for the 22nd time. :-( Sep 29 13:07:22 getting VERY VERY tired of this. Sep 29 13:08:11 :O Sep 29 13:10:43 mine installed successfully Sep 29 13:14:51 Mine was ok, happened around an hour ago for me Sep 29 13:15:59 I'm installed... still rebooting though. The reboot is taking an alarmingly long time Sep 29 13:16:02 nm, finished booting Sep 29 13:17:19 it probably has to set up some things on the first boot Sep 29 13:17:36 no doubt Sep 29 13:17:49 all my startup scripts ran awesomely Sep 29 13:23:24 woah, things seem a lot snappier Sep 29 13:25:23 yeah Sep 29 13:28:24 oh good, nascar and nfl are back Sep 29 13:28:29 I was orried those were gone forever. Sep 29 13:29:03 forgot how I removed those... Sep 29 13:29:46 toggle the visible bit Sep 29 13:30:06 yeah, I wasn't being totally serious Sep 29 13:30:48 switcharoo seems to have quit working Sep 29 13:39:00 Is this the quiet after the storm now? Sep 29 13:39:01 :D Sep 29 14:10:23 damn Sep 29 14:10:32 my thumb joint already hurts from playing NFS Sep 29 14:12:12 huh, the update didn't touch fstab, so /meda/internal is mounted as my non-root user Sep 29 14:12:16 cool cool Sep 29 14:22:17 anyone make a patch to enable LED notifications yet? Sep 29 14:34:23 i love how my phone just reboots while trying to load my palm profile Sep 29 14:40:09 Puff yea the led patch is on gitorious and autopatch Sep 29 14:40:11 PuffTheMagic: Yeah, it's a pretty simple patch Sep 29 14:40:14 oh, sweet Sep 29 14:40:23 it'd be nice to see it in Preware so I can remove my manual patch Sep 29 14:40:35 yeah i thought it was going in preware Sep 29 14:40:55 err Sep 29 14:41:03 i thought autopatch was in preware Sep 29 14:41:07 idk wtf autopatch is Sep 29 14:41:08 tlp you can get it in preware by adding the autopatch feed Sep 29 14:41:15 PuffTheMagic, the feed isn't in there by default Sep 29 14:41:26 (yet) Sep 29 14:41:28 is anyone in here familiar with mytether? i decided to give it a whirl since i'll be on a trip soon and may need it, but my laptop is unable to connect to it via wifi ... might i be missing something? Sep 29 14:41:30 ah, I see Sep 29 14:41:54 but it's easy to add it if anyone wants to use it Sep 29 14:42:07 half the patches aren't ported to 1.2 yet so they will just fail install Sep 29 14:42:11 why is it not in the default feed lists? Sep 29 14:42:44 Because it is in the testing phase still, make sure there won't be problems when it goes public Sep 29 14:44:32 can i re-enable the tweeks in webos quick install after upgrading to 1.2? Sep 29 14:48:39 probably not Sep 29 14:49:20 would you use blue touch up paint on a blue car Sep 29 14:49:26 err white car Sep 29 14:49:27 lol Sep 29 14:49:58 I just miss my theme and 4x4 icons ;) Sep 29 14:50:45 those work just fine through preware or WOSQI Sep 29 14:50:48 :) Sep 29 14:51:57 ahh okay. so certain tweeks from WOSQI are okay but not others? or was it completely updated to handle 1.2? Sep 29 14:53:28 certain Sep 29 14:58:38 autopatch feed :P Sep 29 15:03:28 exactly :D Sep 29 15:04:13 Still havent completely broken it btw, just lots dont work yet, but more than I expected do, even if they throw out errors, install a few, looks like they fail and then restart, hey, whatdya know, works perfect :P Sep 29 15:08:00 a lot of patches have been designated 1.2 OK on the wiki, but I'm guessing that's not necessarily true on gitorious, only the wiki patch pages. Sep 29 15:09:19 egaudet will an incompatible patch error out or just install and do nothing to the source files.. Sep 29 15:10:29 hmagoo, will error on install Sep 29 15:10:35 great Sep 29 15:10:42 it verifies that it CAN apply cleanly before actually doing any real work Sep 29 15:11:11 show actual battery percentage, that worked Sep 29 15:13:37 SKMOUT333, did you just a patch install threw an error but still applied? Sep 29 15:14:10 all 4 released yesterday yup :D Sep 29 15:14:43 it errors, doesnt do anything then a full restart or probably even a luna restart will do,,, applies te patch fully :D Sep 29 15:16:38 SKMOUT333, I don't believe it Sep 29 15:16:52 yes, its true Sep 29 15:16:54 can you get me the ipkg log from the error Sep 29 15:17:06 nobody believe me about 7 hours earlier either :P Sep 29 15:17:22 but then tlz and a few other tried and were like...damn, it does work Sep 29 15:17:57 including blinking led, 4x4, vk (which didnt error for me) and one other Sep 29 15:18:05 the other one that was released Sep 29 15:18:26 wow, my phone wants to run the update again ... this will get annoying Sep 29 15:18:30 grrr Sep 29 15:18:53 SKMOUT333, please reproduce and tell me ipkg log Sep 29 15:19:20 so uninstall reinstall...ok, give me a lil bit though, Im finishing breakfast for the family Sep 29 15:19:24 shouldnt be too long :D Sep 29 15:19:29 yea no rush Sep 29 15:19:43 i'll try myself as well if i can get some service here at work :( Sep 29 15:19:54 are you having troubles with patches regardless? Sep 29 15:20:08 All 4 work perfect after the error and a reinstall I promise :D Sep 29 15:20:16 i wonder if this is Palms joke to us since everyone got so impatient waiting for the update ... they just keep sending the same update to the phone over and over :P Sep 29 15:20:18 but yeah Ill send you the log Sep 29 15:24:48 error and then reinstall? Sep 29 15:25:08 yes Sep 29 15:25:10 I just installed without error. Are you saying you got error installing then reinistalled without error, or error installing then restart luna and see changes? Sep 29 15:25:13 restart Sep 29 15:25:19 sorry Sep 29 15:25:32 my fault icorrect word..i meant restart Sep 29 15:25:35 ::P Sep 29 15:25:47 hmmmm Sep 29 15:26:08 i cant get error :( Sep 29 15:26:17 what do you get? Sep 29 15:26:23 your on 1.2 right Sep 29 15:26:31 with the autopatch feed Sep 29 15:26:34 yea Sep 29 15:26:38 i get successful install Sep 29 15:26:43 all 4 released yesterday should work perfect Sep 29 15:26:45 4x4 and charcount Sep 29 15:26:47 oh, i see Sep 29 15:26:54 oh which ones give error then? Sep 29 15:26:57 but still work Sep 29 15:26:59 and they work on the pre as well after the successful :) Sep 29 15:28:12 I believe the error is a noon iissue, its a /dev/mapper/store-root on /failed: device or resource busy upon uninstall Sep 29 15:29:19 yeah I'm getting that error with like every patch I install... but I believe it still works Sep 29 15:29:25 the uninstall didnt go through fully, Im now restarting luna and it is uninstalled Sep 29 15:29:33 thats the error im talking about egaudet Sep 29 15:30:04 now Ill reinstall it and see if it throws the error again and Ill let you know ;) Sep 29 15:30:42 * jbrett wonders if this has already been posted here.. http://jwz.livejournal.com/1096401.html Sep 29 15:31:48 what's the deal with the 'not running postinst' message that appears for every app install/uninstall? need it be run manually? Sep 29 15:31:55 jwz has always been, er, "outspoken", but he certainly has some valid points. Sep 29 15:32:29 egaudet: I cant reinstall as the patch isnt fully uninstalled but upon trying to remove the patch from the installed list again I get a no such file does not exist, ect Sep 29 15:32:33 etc Sep 29 15:32:37 any ideas Sep 29 15:33:07 Im doing a full restart now to see if I can get the 4x4 patch back into the available section :) Sep 29 15:34:49 rawdr, you doing it from command line? Sep 29 15:35:18 SKMOUT333, so the first uninstall error'd? Sep 29 15:35:29 not this time - using preware. But I've always seen that line when doing it in command line and am seeing it now in preware when I choose to view IPKG log Sep 29 15:35:31 yes sir Sep 29 15:35:35 with the error I posted above Sep 29 15:36:11 and now after a full restart even it does not go back intoo the available patches, its still in installed, and my only option is remove so I cannot reapply it Sep 29 15:36:14 if that doesn't always happen to others then something is different with mine. always says 'offline root mode' Sep 29 15:36:22 and remove does nothing :P Sep 29 15:36:31 in the past I've always manually ran that script in command line Sep 29 15:37:33 rawdr, the ipkgservice will run the script Sep 29 15:37:47 any suggestions egaudet? Sep 29 15:38:05 but that message is normal since ipkgservice is using ipkg -o /var Sep 29 15:38:53 SKMOUT333, you get the /dev/mapper error on uninstall? Sep 29 15:38:55 and then rebooted Sep 29 15:39:00 and still get that error on uninstall? Sep 29 15:39:01 yes :) Sep 29 15:39:44 on 2nd uninstall I get no such file or directory and no such file Sep 29 15:39:56 on what file? Sep 29 15:40:31 var/usr/palm/applications/(the patch) Sep 29 15:40:34 and the other file is... Sep 29 15:40:42 oil ping Sep 29 15:41:05 SKMOUT333, so the ipk app dir is gone Sep 29 15:41:31 var/usr/lib/ipkg/info/(thepatch) :line 17 cannot open var/usr/palm/applications/(the patch) Sep 29 15:42:05 you mean var/usr/lib/ipkg/info/(thepatch).prerm Sep 29 15:42:33 correct Sep 29 15:42:36 I apologize Sep 29 15:42:41 is the patch applied? Sep 29 15:42:55 no, but it is still in preware as if it is Sep 29 15:43:02 k, 2 options Sep 29 15:43:08 alrighty :) Sep 29 15:43:19 make sure you remount rw first just to verify we won't encounter that issue Sep 29 15:43:51 good idea Sep 29 15:43:56 Ill try it really quick Sep 29 15:44:04 and you can either run EPR to say bye bye all patches/ipkgs Sep 29 15:44:24 or manually do ipkg -o /var remove org.webosinternals.patches. Sep 29 15:44:34 I'd run EPR Sep 29 15:45:06 you have to remove the package name from /var/usr/lib/.webosinternals.patches/packages after doing the manually ipkg -o /var remove if you want to install it again Sep 29 15:45:21 how do I run EPR? Sep 29 15:45:41 install it from preware (under system utilities) Sep 29 15:45:47 it will remove all the patches, all the patch ipk and remove itself Sep 29 15:46:07 lmao, ooops Sep 29 15:46:12 this is what I did on 1.1 for ya Sep 29 15:46:17 :P Sep 29 15:46:23 is there a Preware feed on git somewhere I am missing? Sep 29 15:46:44 will this get rid of my MSN too probably huh? Sep 29 15:46:45 :P Sep 29 15:47:07 SKMOUT333, it will only get rid of what you installed from autopatch Sep 29 15:47:13 oh, sweet then, good deal :) Sep 29 15:47:29 Ill let you know if I receive errors upon reinstall :) Sep 29 15:47:44 Ron0001, what do you mean? Sep 29 15:48:11 4x4 app launcher remains :( Sep 29 15:48:19 luna restart Sep 29 15:48:44 How does one add the autopatch feed? Sep 29 15:49:07 echo "src/gz autopatch http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/autopatch/all" > /var/etc/ipkg/autopatch.conf Sep 29 15:49:14 cool Sep 29 15:49:15 ^^^^ :) Sep 29 15:49:17 thanks Sep 29 15:49:34 its still in testing, so.. Sep 29 15:49:42 egaudet, I think ron is asking about trying to update preware using the linuxinstructions. It's looking for a preware feed. Sep 29 15:49:58 egaudet, I just installed Preware, but I'm notfinding the updated patched I see in git Sep 29 15:50:33 when I tried to update ipkg i get this line: Sep 29 15:50:41 ipkg_download: ERROR: Command failed with return value 1: `wget --passive-ftp -q -P /tmp/ipkg-cVT04B http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/preware/all/Packages.gz' Sep 29 15:51:59 egaudet: sorry to bother again, but a luna restart also didnt take care of it, the 4x4 remains in the installed list Sep 29 15:52:20 Im going to try the EPR again and a full restart instead (crosses fingers) Sep 29 15:53:09 talsair, remove /var/etc/ipkg/preware.conf that is an old feed Sep 29 15:53:36 Ron0001, from gitorious? Those patches are ipk's found on the autopatch feed which is not in preware by default since it's in testing Sep 29 15:53:37 upon trying EPR i get error 4...root mode not running, NOTE: no patches found, removing itself, etc. Sep 29 15:53:46 but the 4x4 remains in installed section Sep 29 15:53:46 you can manually add it if you like Sep 29 15:54:13 weird Sep 29 15:54:20 Then can remove it with EPR properly and then reinstall? Sep 29 15:54:20 hmm Sep 29 15:54:42 ? Sep 29 15:55:23 which command will manually add it? Sep 29 15:55:51 I was answering Ron with that comment Sep 29 15:56:02 oh Sep 29 15:56:03 SKMOUT333, do ls /var/usr/lib/.webosinternals.patches Sep 29 15:56:03 Ok :) Sep 29 15:56:19 ls: /var/usr/lib/.webosinternals.patches: No such file or directory Sep 29 15:56:39 egaudet, ok, I was just wanting to reinstall the 4x4 launcher and the messaging character counter, but I can wait. I'm not up for rerooting after I restarted clean with webos dr. Is it that unstable? Can I play too? Sep 29 15:56:47 should I uninstall preware and reinstall preware and see whats up? Sep 29 15:57:00 just a though (or is there something else you would like me to try)? Sep 29 15:57:04 thought* Sep 29 15:57:50 can you uninstall 4x4 from preware? Sep 29 15:58:01 me or ron? Sep 29 15:58:05 you Sep 29 15:58:24 Ron there is no rooting Sep 29 15:58:27 PuffTheMagic: Your IRC stuff in git or anything? Sep 29 15:58:49 * psykoz stretches Sep 29 15:58:56 so I echo'd the autopatch feed into autopatch.conf Sep 29 15:58:59 no, i get error 4 still no such file or directory and then the prerm message as well Sep 29 15:58:59 using the autopatch feed is simply accessing linux (via terminal app, novaterm or ssh) and adding it to the feed Sep 29 15:59:02 confs Sep 29 15:59:09 I'm getting error 4 when I try to install stuff Sep 29 15:59:22 Restart will make it work :D Sep 29 15:59:22 Is the same issue skmout333 is having? Sep 29 15:59:28 no Sep 29 15:59:36 I restarted the pre numerous times Sep 29 15:59:40 SKMOUT333 after restart tell me if you have 4x4 still active Sep 29 15:59:42 different issue, Im have a reinstall issue, youll be fine Sep 29 15:59:44 meaning is your launcher still 4x4 Sep 29 15:59:51 no its not active Sep 29 16:00:02 oh you mean another restart? Sep 29 16:00:18 oh it's not active, so it's not patched, so just manually remove the ipkg Sep 29 16:00:54 how many patches can i safely remove through preware before I need to restart luna? Sep 29 16:00:54 can you post the command or directory to rm from Sep 29 16:01:06 ipkg -o /var remove org.webosinternals.patches. Sep 29 16:01:08 as many as you like to my knowledge :) Sep 29 16:01:29 ok :D will try, pre is restarting real quick Sep 29 16:01:33 thanks! Sep 29 16:01:39 Ill keep you posted Sep 29 16:01:57 what will happen if i install the download in browser patch? i like the other features it comes with. Sep 29 16:02:08 such as? Sep 29 16:02:12 Is there anyway for me to see why I'm getting error 4 when trying to install autopatch stuff? ie: commandline I can run and see output Sep 29 16:02:26 ipkg log Sep 29 16:02:30 in the error screen :) Sep 29 16:02:37 like could I conceivably do /usr/bin/ipkg -o /var install ? Sep 29 16:02:41 egaudet, ok, no rooting, but I had a terminal window with Putty. I just didn't want to go that route again. The New Feed section in Preware is grayed out, I can't add anything. Sep 29 16:02:41 for something from autopatch Sep 29 16:02:46 its just an offline root issue I believe :P Sep 29 16:03:06 i miss the address bar in landscape mode, as well as the keyboard shortcuts for page navigation Sep 29 16:04:41 okay Sep 29 16:04:49 I need diffstat apparently Sep 29 16:05:42 psykoz, should be auto installed because of dependency Sep 29 16:05:53 you can use command line just make sure to run postinst/prerm scripts Sep 29 16:05:56 +1 Sep 29 16:05:56 when install/uninstall Sep 29 16:06:14 root@castle:/# ipkg -o /var remove org.webosinternals.patches.more-icons-per-row -4x4-1.2 Removing package org.webosinternals.patches.more-icons-per-row-4x4-1.2 from root... (offline root mode: not running org.webosinternals.patches.more-icons-per-row-4x4-1.2.prerm) Sep 29 16:06:15 well I just did the echo blah blah blah > autopatch.conf Sep 29 16:06:20 trying to install patches shouldn't cause problems, if they aren't compat. with 1.2.0 they will failt o install Sep 29 16:06:55 worked beutifully Sep 29 16:07:02 Ron0001, preware will eventually enable the add/remove feed and autopatch feed will eventually be a default feed Sep 29 16:07:03 reinstalling patch now :D Sep 29 16:07:10 beautifully* Sep 29 16:07:12 lol Sep 29 16:07:27 SKMOUT333, now let's remember how you got there. You exposed a hard-to-get bug Sep 29 16:07:50 true that, that was a fun trip :P Sep 29 16:08:27 remounting errors are not being accounted for, and it's probably out of my hands at the point of the scripts since Preware is doing the remounting Sep 29 16:08:44 but we'll figure a way to make those errors be more friendly Sep 29 16:09:02 with remount rw I get patch installed successfully :D Sep 29 16:09:15 So it seems like a rw mount is fairly neccessary Sep 29 16:09:32 same with new cards :) Sep 29 16:09:45 egaudet, thanks. I guess I can wait a few days for WebOS Quick Installer. I just hate feeling like an update pushed my phone backwards Sep 29 16:09:49 and even Led :D Sep 29 16:09:55 weird Sep 29 16:10:07 no errors :D restarting luna now Sep 29 16:10:23 /usr/bin/ipkg -o /var install org.webosinternals.diffstat "Cannot find package" (even after running update) Sep 29 16:10:48 thats weird ^ Sep 29 16:12:09 egaudet: everything works beautiful, would you like me to try an EPR or a single 4x4 uninstall again just for good measure? Sep 29 16:12:16 Ron0001, QI will be using new patch ipk too Sep 29 16:12:51 SKMOUT333, sure why not Sep 29 16:12:58 which would you like? Sep 29 16:13:01 and i don't know why you have issues with remounts Sep 29 16:13:09 but hopefully we can figure it out eventually Sep 29 16:13:16 SKMOUT333, whatever tickles your fancy :) Sep 29 16:13:17 Im on a fresh install doctored and all Sep 29 16:13:52 Ok. And cudos to all of you! I'm blown away by the level of coordination and organization here. Sep 29 16:13:59 SOAB! Its just remount errors :P Sep 29 16:14:04 amazing Sep 29 16:14:16 Im rooted if that makes a difference? Sep 29 16:14:25 psykoz, hmmm Sep 29 16:14:27 Are most people not rooting now? Sep 29 16:14:54 i don't know what people mean by rooting these days, everyone uses the term wrong Sep 29 16:14:57 the pre comes rooted by Palm Sep 29 16:15:01 I needed to help debug the msn and yahoo plugins Sep 29 16:15:04 accessing linux Sep 29 16:15:07 Im sorry Sep 29 16:15:19 optware feed, unprivledged user, the whole shebangs Sep 29 16:15:19 I wonder if I'm just having issues because I had to manually fix things when you guys moved /feeds/preware -> /feeds/webos-internals Sep 29 16:15:23 SKMOUT333, there are many ways to acces slinux Sep 29 16:15:30 I had to manually update preware.conf Sep 29 16:15:33 with the script from the wiki Sep 29 16:15:44 I looked at it though and the url/directories are fine, no typos or anything Sep 29 16:15:47 psykoz, remove preware.conf Sep 29 16:15:50 are most people just using quick install and preware nowadays? Sep 29 16:15:57 preware feed doesn't exist, it's webos-internals feed Sep 29 16:16:02 psykoz, where is preware.conf? Sep 29 16:16:10 preware.conf is OLD Sep 29 16:16:35 :P Sep 29 16:16:46 my webos-internals.conf should be just the all and armv7 feeds, correct ? Sep 29 16:16:59 SKMOUT333, so you are ssh'ing Sep 29 16:17:06 yes sir :) Sep 29 16:17:08 you can access linux via novacom, terminal app, ssh Sep 29 16:17:23 I needed almost all the above for a prooject Sep 29 16:17:24 are you in charging only mode Sep 29 16:17:34 that is correct :) Sep 29 16:17:36 i don't know why you get those stupid mount errors Sep 29 16:17:55 do you ever get them while not ssh'd in? Sep 29 16:18:00 me either, but now that I know thats what it was we are all good, :) Sep 29 16:18:09 still no luck downloading diffstat, lemme see if I can manually wget a file from webos-internals folder Sep 29 16:18:15 Ill doctor again later tonight and try from scratch and let you knnow Sep 29 16:19:14 what is the status with prethemer themes? Sep 29 16:19:34 was able to manually wget /feeds/webos-internals/armv7/Packages Sep 29 16:19:37 so not a connectivity issue Sep 29 16:20:08 you got amrv7 in the webos-internals.conf Sep 29 16:20:14 aye Sep 29 16:20:38 egaudet, where are those conf files? so I can check mine. Sep 29 16:20:44 /var/etc/ipkg/ Sep 29 16:20:50 ty Sep 29 16:21:11 psykoz, do you have any test feeds Sep 29 16:21:13 src/gz armv7 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/armv7 Sep 29 16:21:34 heh, I didn't think I had diffstat installed last night, didn't know it was a dependancy. Sep 29 16:21:43 I haven't put any test feeds in manually at all, ever Sep 29 16:22:03 try to update feeds manually in preware? Sep 29 16:22:04 only thing I've manually added thus far was fixing webos-internals.conf for all and armv7 and adding autopatch.conf Sep 29 16:23:18 should diffstat show up as a package in preware if it updates properly? Sep 29 16:23:26 what did you have to fix in webos-internals.conf? Sep 29 16:23:38 psykoz, yea under utilities category Sep 29 16:23:52 because I didn't update preware until way after you guys removed the /preware feeds folder Sep 29 16:24:15 the feeds should hav ebeen updated with ipkgservice update Sep 29 16:24:23 maybe try removing/reinstalling ipkgservice Sep 29 16:30:21 egaudet, thanks for that, and sorry, i can't seem to read instructions. I missed the part about having to have the terminal installed. My bad. Sorry for stupid question. Sep 29 16:31:45 you don't -have- to have it installed Sep 29 16:32:03 you just need a way to access linux (terminal app, novacom/novaterm or ssh) Sep 29 16:32:20 terminal app is awesome though :) Sep 29 16:33:58 egaudet, yes it is, but it is there that I setup the webosinternal.conf file. :P I uninstalled everything before going to 1.2 and trying to cludge back all the patches. Sep 29 16:35:14 webos-internals.conf should not need to be setup manually, autopatch does Sep 29 16:37:16 not familiar with autopatch. Sep 29 16:37:46 is that through webosdoctor? Sep 29 16:37:52 feed that is in testing containing patch ipk's installable through preware Sep 29 16:38:18 ah k. I don't have preware installed yet. Sep 29 16:38:24 but webos-internals.conf I think is added to /var/etc/ipkg/ with the ipkgservice install Sep 29 16:40:11 why can't I chown /media/internal/video? Sep 29 16:40:51 because it's fat Sep 29 16:41:14 that would be kind of chicken and egg if I need ipkgervice to get the conf file to instsall ipkgservice. lol. I have resisted quick installer because I am trying to avoid cables of anysort. :P Sep 29 16:41:19 ah. Sep 29 16:42:02 ahh ok talsair i understand what you are doing now Sep 29 16:42:07 timboy: You can play with 'virtual' permissions for /media/internal by modifying fstab Sep 29 16:42:16 didn't realize you were command line installing everything :D Sep 29 16:43:46 tlp, /media/internal/video mode=1766 0 0 ? Sep 29 16:44:33 yeah. Sorry about not making that clear. got preware installed now. yay. Awesome program. :) Sep 29 16:45:27 dunno about /media/internal/video, but I'm doing uh... Sep 29 16:45:51 so what's the deal with me having 1.2 installed and having 1.2 in my update program? Sep 29 16:46:41 hm Sep 29 16:47:14 /dev/mapper/store-media /media/internal vfat utf8,shortname=mixed,umask=002,gid=1001 0 0 Sep 29 16:48:00 previous download was like 79MB, this one is like 150MB... i'm confused Sep 29 16:48:34 HattCzech, you get the special extended update... Sep 29 16:48:43 tlp, ok i'll give it a shot Sep 29 16:48:55 timboy: which means what? :) Sep 29 16:49:32 extra features for the NFL and Nascar apps! Sep 29 16:49:46 lol Sep 29 16:49:56 ohhh jesus... can i skip this update? :) Sep 29 16:51:57 is there any way to use your phone as usb drive without dropping service? Sep 29 16:52:55 So I went to the dr for 1.2 and am re rooting, why does the bootsrtap.sh script install openssh and dropbear? arent they both just ssh servers? Sep 29 16:53:47 tlp: nope not yet Sep 29 16:54:04 lane: maybe one is better to use with sftp and the other with ssh, I don't know though Sep 29 16:54:25 for example Sep 29 16:54:26 tlp: why Sep 29 16:54:32 both can't be running on the same port... Sep 29 16:54:35 the code i have isnt useful yet to anyone Sep 29 16:54:43 PuffTheMagic: Just curious. Sep 29 16:55:09 so i took the battery out of my moms pre Sep 29 16:55:12 and put it back in Sep 29 16:55:16 and it no long turns on Sep 29 16:55:23 so sprint gave me a new one Sep 29 16:55:33 wtf is wrong with these pre's that stupid shit like that breaks them Sep 29 16:55:48 i must be lucky Sep 29 16:55:53 me too Sep 29 16:56:00 the only hardware problems i had was 1 dead pixel on my launch pre Sep 29 16:56:10 I haven't had any hardware problems, but it's not a launch pre. Sep 29 16:56:18 mine came out in July Sep 29 16:56:22 tlp: i didnt get a launch pre either Sep 29 16:56:30 but u know what else is weird Sep 29 16:56:34 lane, same here Sep 29 16:56:37 the battery "snaps" into my moms pre Sep 29 16:56:40 but not in mine Sep 29 16:56:44 a little oreo though Sep 29 16:56:47 i have the wobble... it sucks :) Sep 29 16:56:55 i need to use a piece of paper to get it to stay in place properly Sep 29 16:57:04 HattCzech: u get the replacement plan? Sep 29 16:57:05 no wobble here, although when the keyboard is closed you can get it to move a tiny bit. I'd expect that of any slider keyboard Sep 29 16:57:17 i got it for the pre cause i knew the hw was shitty Sep 29 16:57:30 I got the plan too Sep 29 16:57:31 yeah, i have the plan Sep 29 16:57:35 oreo is replaced for free under the plan Sep 29 16:57:37 but i don't want to drop $100 to get a new one Sep 29 16:57:38 its a mechanical defect Sep 29 16:57:40 WHAT!? really!? Sep 29 16:57:49 hopefully Pre 2.0 won't have all of these issues Sep 29 16:57:50 HattCzech: u dont have to pay for electrical or mechanical issues Sep 29 16:57:50 did they "announce" that? Sep 29 16:57:53 only if u break it Sep 29 16:57:56 or put water on Sep 29 16:57:57 it Sep 29 16:58:00 i haven't even dropped it yet Sep 29 16:58:14 oh man, if i can get a new one, i will be very happy Sep 29 16:58:14 yeah mechanical and electrical is free Sep 29 16:58:29 i'll be testing that theory later today Sep 29 16:58:39 i tried the first month when it was out, and sprint denied me Sep 29 16:58:43 3 different stores Sep 29 16:58:43 HattCzech: if not... its easy to trigger an electrical issue Sep 29 16:58:49 with out spilling watter on it Sep 29 16:58:51 water Sep 29 16:58:51 LOL, good point Sep 29 16:59:03 i may come back to that if they don't let me swap it Sep 29 16:59:07 thanks for the advice :) Sep 29 16:59:17 They did it for me, I had a small piece of plastic fall out onto the keyboard. Overnight advanced replacement from the sprint store rep Sep 29 16:59:32 badass... Sep 29 16:59:46 egaudet, I think the reinstall of ipkgservice might have done the trick Sep 29 16:59:46 I'm really starting to get used to universal searching for apps. need to find a way to add search tags to apps. since they already added them to some of the palm apps.. (type pre in universal search) Sep 29 16:59:47 would they send me a new one then i send mine back? or swap out in store? or what? Sep 29 16:59:49 HattCzech: you should check out the breakdown for their plans Sep 29 16:59:58 cause they outline what u pay for and what you dont Sep 29 17:00:10 cause there are really 3 plans Sep 29 17:00:17 1 that covers all the free shit Sep 29 17:00:20 its like 4 dollars Sep 29 17:00:22 sent one overnight, with a prepaid return Sep 29 17:00:25 well, like i said, when i tried in the first month, they wanted me to pay $100 for a new one Sep 29 17:00:36 i have the top one, whatever it is Sep 29 17:00:46 HattCzech: thats prob cause they had none in stock Sep 29 17:00:56 Ron0001: sweet, so i could call it in just as easily? Sep 29 17:00:57 i cant believe they kept the 3 icon launcher Sep 29 17:01:00 so ugly Sep 29 17:01:17 egaudet, woot, working, thanks Sep 29 17:01:35 PuffTheMagic: yeah, that's probably true Sep 29 17:01:44 i'll give that a shot later today Sep 29 17:01:54 i'd like to have a working phone w/o wobble Sep 29 17:02:00 I'm sure, ask for an advanced replacement. I'm told you can do three in the 1 year after you get it. But they will charge you if they decide there is nothing wrong wit h it Sep 29 17:02:25 okay, thanks Ron0001 Sep 29 17:02:34 no problem Sep 29 17:02:50 that allows me to transfer everything i need to the new one before i ship it back Sep 29 17:02:53 excellent Sep 29 17:03:17 time to install 1.2 again (didn't i do this yesterday? ;) ) Sep 29 17:04:00 psykoz, nice :D Sep 29 17:04:08 egaudet, thanks much Sep 29 17:04:16 so who wants to fix the 4x4 patch to wrap text? :P Sep 29 17:04:28 no this update has 1.2 and Beatles Greatest Hits, hence the 150MB filesize Sep 29 17:04:30 hahaha, sweet, back to my boot logo :) Sep 29 17:04:32 ;) Sep 29 17:04:53 egaudet, yeah noticed that Sep 29 17:05:01 the beatles greatest hits might make the dl worth it :) Sep 29 17:05:29 the new box set is win Sep 29 17:05:37 i need the mono version though Sep 29 17:07:07 anyone know anything about the phenomenon where the device just suddenly decides your palm profile is logged out? it's giving me two options, delete everything or restart; restarting just gives me the same two options again. Sep 29 17:07:25 I can still ssh into the phone and can ping out to the world, so it's still dialed in and everything. Sep 29 17:07:38 wondering if there's a bit I can flip internally to fix it or get it to let me login to the profile again? Sep 29 17:07:41 emrys: I don't Sep 29 17:09:25 uhh does anyone have virtual keyboard installed? Sep 29 17:10:11 i installed it from autopatch Sep 29 17:10:19 a few hours ago Sep 29 17:10:26 well it's not in autopatch Sep 29 17:10:29 :P Sep 29 17:10:47 err, then i mean preware Sep 29 17:10:53 long day Sep 29 17:11:00 :) Sep 29 17:11:10 egaudet: I do Sep 29 17:11:11 the images show up in photo viewer right? Sep 29 17:11:14 just installed it from Preware Sep 29 17:11:29 hah Sep 29 17:11:34 I see 'function function' in my Photo list Sep 29 17:11:44 yep Sep 29 17:11:47 and yes, the icons show up in photos Sep 29 17:11:59 can't you just rename the icon extensions? Sep 29 17:12:37 I don't know Sep 29 17:13:32 .pngx or something instead of .png, assuming that's what they are Sep 29 17:13:44 I don't know if that would effect loading them in the HTML or JS Sep 29 17:13:58 hmm Sep 29 17:14:03 but I'll try those things Sep 29 17:15:29 or maybe even putting it in a hidden directory Sep 29 17:15:54 .themes instead of themes Sep 29 17:16:46 yea I'm trying that right now (mv virtual-keyboard to .v) restarting luna Sep 29 17:17:09 download attempt 27 just failed to validate. Sep 29 17:17:21 I'm coming to the conclusion that the doctor may be my best choice. Sep 29 17:17:21 :-/ Sep 29 17:17:33 wow, you are a trooper Sep 29 17:17:47 We do these things so you don't have to. ;-) Sep 29 17:18:43 hi Sep 29 17:18:58 * Mousey hands egaudet a beer for my successful intsallation of vk on 1.2.x Sep 29 17:19:19 I got a good one, I had backups of all the homebrews (actual directories from var) in media/internal so when I looked in Photos after installing 1.2 there were a billion photos in there. so I nuked the homebrew backups and now my photo app is completely empty. Sep 29 17:19:26 Just wondering - have there been thoughts on making a standalone Preware installer? Sep 29 17:19:50 what do you mean Sep 29 17:19:54 You know, for complete idiots Sep 29 17:20:06 Download this thing, plugin in your phone, run it Sep 29 17:20:34 ohh didn't someone make a standalone installer program? Sep 29 17:20:36 heh plugin in Sep 29 17:20:59 Mostly thinking about http://jwz.livejournal.com/1096401.html Sep 29 17:21:03 yah, it's called WebOSQuickInstaller Sep 29 17:21:03 ^_^ Sep 29 17:21:07 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=tools/ipkg-installer.git;a=summary Sep 29 17:21:08 and the complaint that 3rd party software is hard to install Sep 29 17:21:12 Mousey: Idiots can't use that Sep 29 17:21:25 thats cuz they're idiots! Sep 29 17:21:37 Well... yeah. Sep 29 17:21:42 ^_^ Sep 29 17:21:48 but normal people can do it.. i've seen it! Sep 29 17:21:56 Normal people are idiots :) Sep 29 17:22:12 lmorchard: you're sucha l33tist Sep 29 17:22:14 relatively speaking, in terms of installing crazy moon programs on their phones Sep 29 17:22:58 i for one like the slightly higher bar of entry.. its not like all homebrew apps in preware are exactly Idiot Friendly(tm) Sep 29 17:23:23 That Wabbit one is fucking hard to me. Sep 29 17:23:43 Yeah, there is the benefit of filtering out idiots and bouncing them to the app store Sep 29 17:23:49 excuse me s/store/catalog/ Sep 29 17:23:52 lmorchard: yah, about that.. Sep 29 17:23:53 http://jwz.livejournal.com/1096401.html Sep 29 17:24:05 Well, yeah, that's what I just pasted :) Sep 29 17:24:11 oh yea Sep 29 17:24:12 ? Sep 29 17:24:20 missed it i guess, i found that rant yesterday Sep 29 17:24:31 i'm kinda shocked he doesn't mention preware Sep 29 17:24:40 He does, at least indirectly Sep 29 17:24:40 ok so hidden . directories don't show up in photo viewer, but restart needed after you mv the dir Sep 29 17:24:43 heh, anyways palm is a big company and thats the bottom line. Sep 29 17:24:51 but overall i think his point about Palm's ongoing cranial-rectal inversion is pretty spot on Sep 29 17:25:08 jwz thinks (correctly) that preware is too hard for most people Sep 29 17:25:15 which, well.... it probably should be Sep 29 17:25:19 lmorchard, preware is too hard? or installing it? Sep 29 17:25:23 lmorchard: well in *THAT* context, i agree Sep 29 17:25:27 egaudet: Yeah Sep 29 17:25:41 Not as easy as double clicking some .prc's and hitting the hotsync button Sep 29 17:25:57 egaudet: Er, installing it, that is Sep 29 17:25:57 What about Greg's standalone ipkg installer Sep 29 17:26:14 preware should be for us AWESOMESAUSAGES, and the app catalog should be where betas and such wind up when they're nice and shiny polished for the unwashed M$es Sep 29 17:27:02 maybe we can refer to the app catalog as postware Sep 29 17:27:35 if you want to publish something for absolutely zero cost why should it bug the living hell out of you if you can *only* reach 200,000 downloads? Sep 29 17:28:18 I think we already have a standalone preware installer Sep 29 17:28:23 hmagoo: because TANSTAAFL.. Sep 29 17:28:29 app catalog should add homebrew feeds Sep 29 17:28:33 I'm building now to see how it goes Sep 29 17:28:39 hmagoo: now THAT i agree with Sep 29 17:28:42 egaudet: Can the ipkg installer be wrapped up in a bow and a wizard and launch preware? Sep 29 17:28:44 like have an Advanced section Sep 29 17:28:53 oh! oh! or Community section Sep 29 17:28:57 I don't agree hmangoo Sep 29 17:29:07 BEcause then it would say out of memory lol Sep 29 17:29:21 lmorchard, I think so. Greg made a standalone ipkg installer, and I think it wraps the ipkg install into a jar Sep 29 17:29:28 Eguy: well lets hope not Sep 29 17:29:32 But meh, hopefully Palm just smoothes out the App Catalog process. It is nice to have an editorial process somewhere Sep 29 17:29:55 I have a feeling when they take it out of beta the limit will go away Sep 29 17:29:57 Since the preware route isn't *that* hard for people who don't stab themselves in the face with spoons Sep 29 17:30:06 I think them adding community apps would be the way to go. Sep 29 17:30:22 It would be suicide not to Sep 29 17:30:34 solves a few different issues Sep 29 17:30:35 what is this about Palm? Sep 29 17:30:40 they could have every crazy disclaimer they like, Big Companies(tm) LOVE disclaimers Sep 29 17:30:42 was there a way to get the images from vk not to show? Sep 29 17:30:54 teenage mutant zombie turtles!! Sep 29 17:30:55 * Mousey waves Sep 29 17:31:00 back Sep 29 17:31:02 SMKOUT333: egaudet is working on it Sep 29 17:31:03 in the photoviewer Sep 29 17:31:09 * chrisa yawns Sep 29 17:31:16 ok, thanks :) Sep 29 17:31:18 how do i go about installing prewaer now that quickinstall's down? Sep 29 17:31:28 *preware Sep 29 17:31:29 quickinstalls down? Sep 29 17:31:31 wait, it's down? Sep 29 17:31:31 SMKOUT333, no way to have it working and not in photo viewer until i update Sep 29 17:31:36 it's a service? Sep 29 17:31:38 it soesnt work with 1.32 Sep 29 17:31:41 *1.2 Sep 29 17:31:41 just going to hide the dir Sep 29 17:31:44 huh? Sep 29 17:31:46 ok, understood, thats for the update Sep 29 17:31:53 installing works I think Sep 29 17:32:06 ooooh tweaks just dont? Sep 29 17:32:07 everything works fine, except tweaks Sep 29 17:32:13 yeah Sep 29 17:32:16 use 2.03 for tweaks on 1.2 :D Sep 29 17:32:16 SMKOUT333: tweaks seemed to work for me Sep 29 17:32:17 lol Sep 29 17:32:23 orry Sep 29 17:32:27 oh, maybe i'm on 2.03? Sep 29 17:32:32 lol Sep 29 17:32:34 Tweaks will be obsoleted for 1.2 Sep 29 17:32:48 most likely otherwise you would receive chunk errors Sep 29 17:32:49 QI is moving to patch ipk's except for the dynamic tweaks that require user input/customization Sep 29 17:32:49 huh? why do they work for me? Sep 29 17:33:02 at least as I understand it according to Jason Sep 29 17:33:10 I understand, but most people still are only aware of QI Sep 29 17:33:21 most people can learn patience Sep 29 17:33:31 Jason has a few things up his sleeve at the moment :) Sep 29 17:33:31 chrisa: having fun seeing all the bickering? :P Sep 29 17:33:48 egaudet: yo Sep 29 17:33:51 I talk with Jason Sep 29 17:33:54 PuffTheMagic, yo Sep 29 17:33:54 i wonder why y'all are saying tweaks don't work Sep 29 17:33:55 back Sep 29 17:34:03 Mousey, who said that? Sep 29 17:34:04 egaudet: i was thinking about that recovery tool we were talking about Sep 29 17:34:08 usb is generally nothing but trouble for me, I avoid it at all costs. Sep 29 17:34:08 Eguy: it's nothing I work on so I just ignore it Sep 29 17:34:14 [10:32] Tweaks will be obsoleted for 1.2 Sep 29 17:34:25 egaudet: i am reaffirming my opposition to tracking the whole userland Sep 29 17:34:25 hehe lucky you then ; Sep 29 17:34:25 Mousey, that doesn't say they all don't work Sep 29 17:34:30 [10:32] everything works fine, except tweaks Sep 29 17:34:36 egaudet: do you really want to be reverting app databases Sep 29 17:34:40 like contacts and shit Sep 29 17:35:01 As far as the os goes I wouldn't even be considered a power user. The last app I installed/used was the currency calc when I was in china Sep 29 17:35:02 probably not Sep 29 17:35:07 but what if I corrupt the db Sep 29 17:35:10 maybe I then want to Sep 29 17:35:11 Mousey: If a file have changes to it ie lines move then the tweak will insert the mods most likely at the wrong place ;) Sep 29 17:35:16 i got 4x4 working, vibe keypad, landscape everything Sep 29 17:35:23 battery percentage Sep 29 17:35:27 no nfl or nascar icons Sep 29 17:35:31 they all seem to work Sep 29 17:35:34 2.03 version Sep 29 17:35:36 Mousey, patching is moving from tweaks to the autopatch system Sep 29 17:35:37 :) Sep 29 17:35:39 wtf is 4x4 Sep 29 17:35:49 more icons in launcher Sep 29 17:35:49 It's a quad puff Sep 29 17:35:50 PuffTheMagic: 4 icons across in launcher Sep 29 17:35:51 yah Sep 29 17:35:54 so they won't be compatible and you will have to uninstall all those tweaks when the new QI is released that uses the patch-ipk Sep 29 17:36:03 that's what I was saying, not that tweaks can't work in 1.2 Sep 29 17:36:05 you know those quads you ride in the dirt Sep 29 17:36:08 its in'n'out burger Sep 29 17:36:08 +1 Sep 29 17:36:11 egaudet: oh, well i expect to do that anyway with big releaces Sep 29 17:36:13 ^_^ Sep 29 17:36:21 hmagoo: ha, you're in LA Sep 29 17:36:25 lol not many people would get that reference hmangoo Sep 29 17:36:31 I live next to one hahha Sep 29 17:36:33 no, desert Sep 29 17:36:41 still, southern cali Sep 29 17:36:47 mmm... in'n'out Sep 29 17:36:49 King Taco, even better Sep 29 17:37:00 wow, i miss california now Sep 29 17:37:05 THANKS A LOT Sep 29 17:37:05 Why? Sep 29 17:37:08 ^_^ Sep 29 17:37:08 egaudet: what's with this patch-ipk stuff you're referring to? Sep 29 17:37:11 the food Sep 29 17:37:15 ah Sep 29 17:37:15 Gent's, I might be a bit late to the party here, but will 1.2 break a rooted pre? Sep 29 17:37:26 that;s all that is it's good for lol Sep 29 17:37:31 No such thing as a rooted pre, so no :) Sep 29 17:37:33 first, there's no such thing as a "rooted" pre Sep 29 17:37:38 dammit Sep 29 17:37:38 whatever Sep 29 17:37:39 too slow Sep 29 17:37:42 fairenough Sep 29 17:37:43 so, no Sep 29 17:37:46 well Sep 29 17:37:54 you will have to re-plant it Sep 29 17:37:58 my pre is rooted and it doesn't exist. ;) Sep 29 17:38:03 But, if you have a pre that you've tweaked and patched as root, then it might break things Sep 29 17:38:05 turn off your tweaks, uninstall the virtual keyboard, run the update.. you'll be find Sep 29 17:38:10 its rooted stock from palm Sep 29 17:38:16 s/find/fine/ Sep 29 17:38:16 Mousey meant: turn off your tweaks, uninstall the virtual keyboard, run the update.. you'll be fine Sep 29 17:38:23 I'll be find Sep 29 17:38:30 I want to be grep Sep 29 17:38:31 haha Sep 29 17:38:39 I don't use the v keyboard Sep 29 17:38:45 yo ushould Sep 29 17:38:52 IT'S EPIC Sep 29 17:38:55 it will enhance your life Sep 29 17:39:01 especially with haptic: 45 Sep 29 17:39:06 and give you a reason not to jump off that bridge Sep 29 17:39:14 need the leftovers of download in browser patch Sep 29 17:39:16 HattCzech, autopatch Sep 29 17:39:33 PuffTheMagic, so still against entire userland? Sep 29 17:39:36 The keyboard made my typing 580% better Sep 29 17:39:36 so you are referring to the preware feed that i've been playing with? Sep 29 17:40:13 egaudet: yeah i really thing it should only be tracking changes made by patches Sep 29 17:40:25 I still haven't put the kb on since 1.1 Sep 29 17:40:35 PuffTheMagic, I think those db's maybe should be treated special. e.g. default restore is to bring the current db's back with you, but option to restore db's too Sep 29 17:40:46 I want a restore to exactly how I was at a certain date Sep 29 17:40:51 in case I screw up ANYTHING I can go back Sep 29 17:40:52 egaudet: you cant treat them special Sep 29 17:40:55 not with git Sep 29 17:41:00 there are no special files Sep 29 17:41:03 PuffTheMagic, of course you can treat them special Sep 29 17:41:10 Eguy, preware works for VKB Sep 29 17:41:20 copy to /media/internal or /tmp/ git checkout restore Sep 29 17:41:21 meh Terminal ftw Sep 29 17:41:26 the service can treat them special Sep 29 17:41:31 egaudet: that is dirty Sep 29 17:41:44 egaudet: im making a git service Sep 29 17:41:47 or even git checkout -f, then git checkout HEAD those files Sep 29 17:41:47 a generic one Sep 29 17:41:52 ther eisnt gonna be anything special like that Sep 29 17:42:03 egaudet: how do u kno what "those" files are Sep 29 17:42:20 Fine keep the service generic, we'll handle the special stuff in mojo Sep 29 17:42:34 if you make the git service generic, i want the mojo to access git commands Sep 29 17:42:44 egaudet: what? Sep 29 17:42:56 egaudet: the service is gonna be a libgit wrapper Sep 29 17:43:15 ok so the mojo can just use any git command Sep 29 17:43:28 essentially Sep 29 17:43:42 but i dont get how you are gonna do this "special" file shit Sep 29 17:48:49 when I hit the letters in the photo app nothing types into my pre! :P Sep 29 17:50:39 lmao Sep 29 17:54:12 Is this the right channel for activation questions? :p Sep 29 17:55:39 hey Sep 29 17:56:13 I have some questions about webos 1.2 ? Sep 29 17:57:04 http://jwz.livejournal.com/1096401.html?thread=20381649#t20381649 Sep 29 17:57:07 is the center button supposed to glow by default or am I just powned Sep 29 17:57:37 PuffTheMagic, as long as I can git the entire userland it'll be fine Sep 29 17:58:06 yay my swipe down to open menus hack is in 1.2! Sep 29 17:58:15 commit/tag the latest before reverting Sep 29 17:58:25 then checkout the restore point and checkout specific files from HEAD Sep 29 17:58:30 mikedg-blau: Did they use your code? or just the idea Sep 29 17:58:32 isn't that how it's going to work Sep 29 17:58:56 its cool that the web browser now supports downloading but I liked being able to choose if I wanted to stream or download, any update how to do this? Sep 29 17:58:59 egaudet: how are you gonna checkout specific files Sep 29 17:59:01 in a generic way Sep 29 17:59:04 that works for everyone Sep 29 17:59:19 egaudet: you sound liek u want to make a full blow git gui Sep 29 17:59:25 and that took years to happen for windows Sep 29 17:59:29 good luck with that Sep 29 17:59:38 i don't want/need a fullblown git gui Sep 29 17:59:48 there are few specific things that usually don't want to revert Sep 29 17:59:56 is the center button supposed to glow by default? Sep 29 18:00:04 like the databases for contacts Sep 29 18:00:04 lmorchard: it was fairly simple to do, i'd be surprised if they went out of their way to make it not like mine lol Sep 29 18:00:16 when notifications are recieved Sep 29 18:00:22 mikedg-blau, I like it Sep 29 18:00:43 I wouldn't mind submitting patches to palm for free, but I could see where it might be a pain to manage Sep 29 18:01:12 the whole point of this is a restore app right puff? Sep 29 18:02:04 PuffTheMagic, what other files should not be reverted if we were to git the whole userland? Sep 29 18:02:44 and how do you know what files are touched by patches in order to only git those files? Sep 29 18:07:25 hmmm, that's interesting Sep 29 18:07:40 somehow my user password got changed? Sep 29 18:07:50 hax! Sep 29 18:08:31 hhehe, i hope not :) Sep 29 18:09:00 so how do i connect to this thing the old way? Sep 29 18:11:17 novaterm Sep 29 18:11:36 terminal works, right? :) Sep 29 18:11:58 ohhh, unknown user... interesting Sep 29 18:12:07 no wonder access was denied :) Sep 29 18:12:23 u got the wrong phone? Sep 29 18:13:24 hmmm, looks like they updated the /etc/passwd file Sep 29 18:14:58 is there a default root password for the pre? Sep 29 18:16:40 no Sep 29 18:17:04 status is still processing on my 2600 Sep 29 18:17:09 i want the battery damnit >> Sep 29 18:17:16 you don't want a root password :P Sep 29 18:17:38 that Sep 29 18:17:50 that'd be fun, for corporate phones especially.. KerberosPre! Sep 29 18:17:55 well, i'm trying to ssh in as root Sep 29 18:18:02 HattCzech, ssh key Sep 29 18:18:15 have to either create a user to ssh in with Sep 29 18:18:17 oh yea and root password Sep 29 18:18:22 or set up key authentication Sep 29 18:18:23 i do the same thing Sep 29 18:18:46 time to read over user setup again Sep 29 18:20:06 if I already have the on-phone terminal app working, which ipkg do I need to install to use irc from the command line. IRCII? is there any better than that? Which do you guys find easiest to read/use? Sep 29 18:22:43 You could just install irssi via optware Sep 29 18:25:27 Whoa, nice: Just noticed there's a new Download Manager service in 1.2 that just might let me write my flickr uploader Sep 29 18:27:00 Hmm. Seems to only work on local files though, and not data built in JS. Fine for photos but fails for other things Sep 29 18:27:44 Oh... but maybe not. I should just try it Sep 29 18:28:04 how do I extract the contents of a patch? Sep 29 18:29:45 upload and download manager service. Sep 29 18:30:17 can I extract them on my desktop? Sep 29 18:30:48 Joesmith an ipkg patch or a patch patch? Sep 29 18:34:04 egaudet: what do you mean what other files Sep 29 18:34:18 type types? or specific files? Sep 29 18:34:39 what can you think of Sep 29 18:35:53 so blacklisting things we dont want it bad Sep 29 18:35:56 we should whitelist Sep 29 18:36:02 only track specific files Sep 29 18:36:07 patch patch Sep 29 18:36:10 .patch Sep 29 18:36:21 i disagree puff Sep 29 18:36:43 there's far more whitelisted items than blacklisted Sep 29 18:36:51 egaudet: wrong Sep 29 18:37:05 egaudet: we cant even being to make a complete list of files to not track Sep 29 18:37:11 I can touch any file I want Sep 29 18:37:33 If you don't track everything, there are tons of unforeseen ways i can break things and be unrecoverable Sep 29 18:37:35 you can't touch my files Sep 29 18:37:36 :D Sep 29 18:37:46 egaudet: no there isnt Sep 29 18:37:48 for example Sep 29 18:37:59 if you only track .js files in the aplications folder Sep 29 18:38:00 I want to restore to the exact place I was when i created my restore point Sep 29 18:38:08 there is like no damage to be done by reverts Sep 29 18:38:20 PuffTheMagic, reverts won't damage anything Sep 29 18:38:38 RESTORE is basically going back in time Sep 29 18:38:53 egaudet: im removing my involvement in this project... im not liking where its going Sep 29 18:39:06 so yea you added contacts or whatever since restoring, well tough you want to restore because you broke something Sep 29 18:39:16 it dont have to be tough Sep 29 18:39:29 I'm pretty sure this is a discussion and I'm not trying to seem like whatever I say goes Sep 29 18:39:42 it isnt' tough, you are making it tough Sep 29 18:39:49 only track js files and you can patch your heart out and revert and not loose contacts Sep 29 18:39:53 or calendard stuff Sep 29 18:40:00 you want a very minimal restore for js patches Sep 29 18:40:13 well there's tons of stuff I can do that doesn't involved js that can make me want to revert Sep 29 18:40:32 can I extract .patch files on my desktop Sep 29 18:40:42 Joesmith, what do you mean extract Sep 29 18:40:44 Joesmith: .patches are plain text Sep 29 18:40:46 a .patch file is a diff Sep 29 18:40:53 ok then Sep 29 18:40:53 boo precentral Sep 29 18:41:01 saying vkb don't work Sep 29 18:41:02 lol Sep 29 18:41:05 I thought it executed code Sep 29 18:41:09 * dBsooner sends derek an email Sep 29 18:41:18 PuffTheMagic, seriously what is the point of a restore app to revert js only Sep 29 18:41:33 egaudet: have you updated any more tweaks?> Sep 29 18:41:39 dBsooner, no Sep 29 18:41:39 egaudet: diff creates patches Sep 29 18:41:46 wow i hadn't tried teh virtual keyboard before, it's really nice looking Sep 29 18:41:56 egaudet: the "origional" idea for this was so that if you fuck up your system using patches you can get back to the clean versions Sep 29 18:42:00 tmzt diff is a tool that diffs files yea Sep 29 18:42:13 creates a diff Sep 29 18:42:13 right, and the diff is called a patch Sep 29 18:42:17 which we consider a patch Sep 29 18:43:07 PuffTheMagic, with autopatch that is pointless Sep 29 18:43:15 because the patch ipk already has failsafes Sep 29 18:43:31 egaudet: autopatch isnt the only way people might modify apps Sep 29 18:43:35 and a restore point system would be pretty awesome, allowing you to screw up anything you want and not have to doctor Sep 29 18:43:50 PuffTheMagic, if they do it manually they can restore from the doctor manually (extract) Sep 29 18:44:08 that isnt very convienent Sep 29 18:44:26 and eventually we can figure out the update stuff and use that to restore stock packages Sep 29 18:44:30 egaudet: i just dont want to get involved in anything that will cause me to loose contacts,calendar entries, IM's, etc.. Sep 29 18:44:42 PuffTheMagic, it would not "cause" you to lose them Sep 29 18:44:48 you would choose to lose them Sep 29 18:44:55 you have to create the "restore" point Sep 29 18:45:05 you have to say "revert to that day" Sep 29 18:45:06 egaudet: i am not choosing to loose anything Sep 29 18:45:10 basically I want to see the code what the patch executes Sep 29 18:45:18 it's similar to windows system restore I think Sep 29 18:45:28 you are taking a snapshot in time IN CASE you screw things up Sep 29 18:45:34 and aren't sure how to fix Sep 29 18:45:38 i know exactly how i can create a restore tool that will allow me to not loose contacts and stuff Sep 29 18:45:46 your method will cause me to loose stuff Sep 29 18:46:03 if i used it Sep 29 18:46:07 PuffTheMagic, yea very minimal tool Sep 29 18:46:11 i was wondering about the fact that the filesystems on the pre are all on LVM volumes and LVM technically supports snapshotting Sep 29 18:46:26 PuffTheMagic, why the heck would you createa restore point, then add a ton of contacts and not create a new one Sep 29 18:46:30 i haven't tried it yet but it seems like it would be useful Sep 29 18:46:41 epv: useful for what Sep 29 18:46:50 hmm.. .snapshots? Sep 29 18:47:00 epv: for what purpose? Sep 29 18:47:11 lol Sep 29 18:47:18 for the purpose of RESTORE POINTS Sep 29 18:47:20 uh Sep 29 18:47:22 yeah Sep 29 18:47:39 "make the filesystem revert to exactly the way it was at this day and time" Sep 29 18:48:02 exactly that would be useful for me Sep 29 18:48:02 I have no use for a "snapshot js only" Sep 29 18:48:11 epv: sure if you want to loose all your contacts and shit then yea go ahead and do that Sep 29 18:48:17 haha ok Sep 29 18:48:19 there's not much reason not to use autopatch Sep 29 18:48:25 +1 Sep 29 18:48:29 PuffTheMagic, lose contacts? Sep 29 18:48:39 again why would you snapshot, then ADD TONS OF CONTACTS and then NOT snapshot again Sep 29 18:49:00 i thought palm has some contacts backup thing to their servers anyway Sep 29 18:49:01 oh well Sep 29 18:49:06 this seems like a pointless discussion ): Sep 29 18:49:09 epv they do Sep 29 18:49:19 egaudet: reverting your system would overwrite that Sep 29 18:49:33 and then you can resync contacts from palm profile Sep 29 18:49:57 and guess what, if you added 100 contacts, then doctor'd without backing them up... you lose them Sep 29 18:50:23 so I don't get why you want such a minimal tool Sep 29 18:50:27 how does webos doctor connect to phone? Sep 29 18:50:32 it should be over novacom still Sep 29 18:50:49 so sniff that connection and you should be able to restore WOQI install Sep 29 18:51:51 plam backup is useless unless you dr your phone Sep 29 18:51:59 and if you revert using snapshots Sep 29 18:52:04 it will back up your old contacts Sep 29 18:52:14 probably erasing the ones it had in there previously Sep 29 18:52:35 cause it would look like you deleted them to plam's backup service Sep 29 18:53:54 ok so again Puff, why would you add alot of contacts and not create a restore point Sep 29 18:54:02 the whole point of restore point is to "restore to that exact point in time" Sep 29 18:54:07 how often do i need to make restore points? Sep 29 18:54:25 whenever you want Sep 29 18:54:46 you say "I know my pre is working how i like it 9/29/09 2:50PM, let me make a restore point" Sep 29 18:54:48 is all the contact stuff in a sqlite3 db somewhere? Sep 29 18:54:53 and then you can "go back in time" anytime you want Sep 29 18:55:03 no you cant Sep 29 18:55:08 you cant go back to any point in time Sep 29 18:55:11 in case you damaged something unkowingly or added a ton of stuff and don't know how they are playing with each other in the wrong way Sep 29 18:55:27 egaudet: look, make it how you want, i no long want to be part of this Sep 29 18:55:39 whatever Sep 29 18:56:00 and you can go back to any point in time Sep 29 18:56:31 the whole point of autopatch is to make a unified global way for people to PATCH text files (js) Sep 29 18:57:35 and you can always write a different mojo to do whatever the heck you want with it Sep 29 18:57:55 since the service is going to be a git wrapper, the mojo controls the restore behavior Sep 29 18:58:06 ok lets say i doctor my pre and tag 1.2, add some calendar stuff, add some todos, then i edit some js files and fuck something up Sep 29 18:58:11 what good is that 1.2 tag for me Sep 29 18:58:32 its not at all Sep 29 18:59:04 even if i made another snapshot Sep 29 18:59:09 that included my contact updates Sep 29 18:59:30 yea so if you do a bunch of stuff between snapshots, youlose them all... that's the point Sep 29 18:59:48 in your idea, let's say i mess up js and ruin my contact database Sep 29 18:59:58 i have no way out but doctor Sep 29 19:00:05 so i have to go back stuff up anyway Sep 29 19:00:11 * punzada waits impaitently to hear from seido that his battery has shipped Sep 29 19:00:13 ssh? Sep 29 19:00:27 you can just add calendar stuff, todos and create a restore point before touching js if js is all you care about Sep 29 19:00:48 AND we can EASILY save the current databases optionally on a restore Sep 29 19:01:03 egaudet: what if someone sends me a text message while i am hacking Sep 29 19:01:08 im fucked Sep 29 19:01:12 using your way Sep 29 19:01:35 all the database stuff is in one or two db Sep 29 19:01:44 so? Sep 29 19:01:54 realllly not that hard to save that stuff Sep 29 19:02:18 the one db is "special" that doesn't mean we should not have the ability to restore it ever Sep 29 19:02:30 you are making a mountain out of a mole hill Sep 29 19:02:40 the whole idea of a lvm snapshot is changes get saved in the snapshot Sep 29 19:02:47 so you shouldn't lose anything Sep 29 19:03:02 tmzt: you loose everything since the last snapshot Sep 29 19:03:03 you can also turn the modem off (CFUN=0) on Pre I think Sep 29 19:03:25 Who is jhoff80? Sep 29 19:03:29 what does that have to do with receiving a text message? Sep 29 19:03:52 the message history is saved somewhere Sep 29 19:03:54 i dont want to loose that Sep 29 19:04:00 puff wants to restore to a certain point but keep his current database (text history, calendar etc...) Sep 29 19:04:16 and it's not hard to do that, I don't know why his solution for that is "track onyl js" Sep 29 19:04:23 egaudet: do you know who jhoff80 is? He made a ton of changes to the patches wiki. I didn't think you added anymore.. Sep 29 19:04:26 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Patches_to_webOS Sep 29 19:06:58 did he make any errors? Sep 29 19:07:10 the wiki isn't directly related to the git Sep 29 19:07:33 no, he did well Sep 29 19:07:33 i thought the wiki was related. Sep 29 19:07:33 :D Sep 29 19:07:33 he is reliable Sep 29 19:07:33 :) Sep 29 19:07:36 well i guess it is Sep 29 19:07:41 ++ means it needs to be added to the git Sep 29 19:07:45 right Sep 29 19:07:55 which all those would need to be added Sep 29 19:08:04 all the ++ do yea Sep 29 19:08:08 unless they are already there and Sep 29 19:08:12 no there are some that dont have ++ Sep 29 19:08:22 if you find any errors on the wiki, fix them :D Sep 29 19:08:23 he may hav moidified the patch on the page, but not in the distro Sep 29 19:08:37 what distro Sep 29 19:08:41 however the roam only patch works perfect as well as the month view default :D Sep 29 19:08:41 that's for tonight Sep 29 19:08:46 feed autpatch Sep 29 19:08:56 Right, but they may have some fuzzy output Sep 29 19:09:04 Bunches of em work perfect :) Sep 29 19:09:41 autopatch got nothing to do with wiki and git yet Sep 29 19:10:32 if anything was updated on the wiki, but doesn't work from git repo, then just add the ++ back Sep 29 19:10:43 sweet Sep 29 19:10:56 I'll start working on the patches tonight Sep 29 19:10:58 when I get off work Sep 29 19:11:09 too bad i have to volunteer tomorrow at my girls' school Sep 29 19:11:15 8:15 to 4:00 Sep 29 19:11:19 on my day off. :( Sep 29 19:11:30 * dBsooner would much rather stay home and play with WebOS. Sep 29 19:11:45 but then again, I can't wait to be able to hang out with my girls at school and with the other kids. Sep 29 19:12:29 enjoy :) Sep 29 19:12:39 I'm going to grab some lunch, i'll be back Sep 29 19:23:35 so is there a way to turn on and off the GPS in 1.2? Sep 29 19:24:57 ahh they moved it Sep 29 19:25:20 its still in the same place, no? location services Sep 29 19:25:44 GPS switch is moved to the Location Service Preferences menu under "Locate Me Using..." Sep 29 19:26:16 ah, ok Sep 29 19:26:28 is there a list of which patches were broken by 1.2? Sep 29 19:26:45 all of them? i think Sep 29 19:27:06 so, perhaps a list of which ones work/were fixed to work is better Sep 29 19:27:29 i was able to install several, but not all the patches I had Sep 29 19:27:50 theonetruedevo: which patches worked for you? Sep 29 19:28:20 if I use webos doctor will it reset all my contacts data bookmarks etc? Sep 29 19:28:29 will I have to reroot my pre? Sep 29 19:28:40 Joesmith: those are stored in the palm profile Sep 29 19:29:27 I know but will I have to go through activation etc again? Sep 29 19:29:40 and will I have to reroot my pre Sep 29 19:30:00 gkatsev: i have new-task-details, longer-standbytimes, enable led notifications, default to month view Sep 29 19:30:30 gkatsev: message tone sounds and alerts seems pooched though Sep 29 19:31:03 Joesmith: youll have to login into the palm profile after webOSdring the phone. using the word "rooting" is discouraged but yes, you would have to use the konami code or webos20090928 or something like that to open dev mode again. though, to install from WQI i dont think you need that Sep 29 19:34:37 PuffTheMagic, the app could ask the user what they want to track when creating a restore point Sep 29 19:34:53 now you are getting into a git gui Sep 29 19:34:58 and not a simple restore tool Sep 29 19:35:05 sorry I know rooting is incorrect its just linux access, but jailbreaking is more annoying when people refer to the pre Sep 29 19:35:28 i dont see the issue with the term rooting Sep 29 19:35:33 BAD! Sep 29 19:35:47 it refers to gaining access to the linux userland Sep 29 19:35:50 i dont get the big deal Sep 29 19:36:08 jailbreaking the palm pre pisses me off Sep 29 19:36:10 * hmagoo lubs it Sep 29 19:36:22 Joesmith: its so easy though Sep 29 19:36:25 jailbreaking/rooting are not things you're doing to a system you can openly log into Sep 29 19:36:40 Much like how you all keep saying bricking Sep 29 19:36:44 PuffTheMagic, not a git gui Sep 29 19:36:49 yeah, when the sdk came it, rooting was uneeded Sep 29 19:36:54 thats why I hate the term jailbreaking Sep 29 19:36:56 PuffTheMagic, just options like "js/css only vs. all" Sep 29 19:37:02 not a file by file gui Sep 29 19:37:02 chrisa: the pre does not come out of the box being able to use novaterm or ssh Sep 29 19:37:11 chrisa: a "process" is involved Sep 29 19:37:23 and i am fine with rooting referring to that process Sep 29 19:37:32 no, it definitely comes out of the box being able to work with novaterm Sep 29 19:38:04 gonna enter a code first Sep 29 19:38:17 no one uses "rooting" to mean "turn dev mode on" though Puff Sep 29 19:38:46 you guys are comparing previously established tech slang with our context, which is a waste of time.. ;) Sep 29 19:38:58 ;) Sep 29 19:39:02 always productive chat in here Sep 29 19:39:22 hmagoo: im fine applying established tech slang to the pre Sep 29 19:39:42 the average user is scared to "root" but not afraid to type in konami code Sep 29 19:39:43 PuffTheMagic: me too Sep 29 19:40:19 anyway I don't care, I just never know what people are asking when they talk about rooting because everyone means something different Sep 29 19:40:32 egaudet: I hear ya Sep 29 19:41:06 there is only 1 thing it could mean in context of the pre Sep 29 19:41:09 why is that confusing Sep 29 19:41:50 Joesmith: jailbreaking makes sense in the context of the iPhone because of how the bootloader and running system work, not the case for Pre though Sep 29 19:42:31 and, uh, the Pre is using linux, if you are using the Pre you are using linux Sep 29 19:43:01 I think the term rooting won't be used much anyways, not many people need to do it any longer... Sep 29 19:43:01 so the "linux access" stuff makes no sense to me also, "root console" or "superuser console" or "privledges" would be correct Sep 29 19:43:26 @castle? lol Sep 29 19:43:45 why? Sep 29 19:43:53 to YOU it means one thing Puff Sep 29 19:44:06 you will never make the entire aunt minnie userbase use it the same way Sep 29 19:44:35 they can use it wrong... i still know what their goal is regardless of what they call it Sep 29 19:44:36 I can't understand why a one-click program is difficult though Sep 29 19:44:44 if that's what jwz was saying Sep 29 19:45:50 is there a guide to using webos doctor? Sep 29 19:46:17 http://www.palm.com/us/support/downloads/pre/recoverytool/webosdoctor_sprint.html Sep 29 19:46:33 the main motivation for people to access linux was to install patches, and do workarounds for stuff that is, IMO, going to be deprecated in a week or so. Sep 29 19:47:31 and you can use Terminal App.. but, I don't trust myself in there really editing system files. Sep 29 19:48:59 I think (and I could be misinterpretting) what jwz was getting at is that the average user would have to go searching for it... I mean, sure the instructions are easy enough to follow, but if there's an app store link on phone with a soon to be populated store, is the average person going to know to go google for ways to get even more apps? Sep 29 19:50:12 need a homebrew app in the catalog with instructions Sep 29 19:50:29 s/homebrew/"homebrew"/ Sep 29 19:50:30 hmagoo meant: need a "homebrew" app in the catalog with instructions Sep 29 19:51:00 hmm whats my palm profile Sep 29 19:52:37 joesmith: it is what stores your contacts so they are still around after webos doctor finishes Sep 29 19:52:43 joesmith: https://ps.palmws.com/palmcsext/console/pages/LoginPage.iface Sep 29 19:53:14 I know what it does I just dont remember my password or account Sep 29 19:53:24 also how often does it update? Sep 29 19:53:39 Joesmith: that I can't help you with Sep 29 19:53:46 Joesmith: no idea how often it updates Sep 29 19:54:23 maybe I should go to the sprint people and let them mess with it Sep 29 19:54:35 i wonder if there's a way to trick the universal search thing into opening so you can type into it with the virtual keyboard Sep 29 19:55:09 Joesmith: is there no email/password recovery there? Sep 29 19:55:24 does v keyboard work with 1.2? Sep 29 19:55:46 updates once a day, go to Backup on the pre Sep 29 19:55:54 I cant Sep 29 19:55:56 if you're in there Sep 29 19:55:58 I hear ya Sep 29 19:56:00 my app launcher failes Sep 29 19:56:18 arg Sep 29 19:56:23 Joesmith, it has been updated I believe to work Sep 29 19:56:33 has anyone gotten the on screen keyboard working on 1.2 Sep 29 19:56:42 newest version yes Sep 29 19:56:43 it's been updated to work Sep 29 19:56:59 i know but I am getting error 4 when installing version 4.0 Sep 29 19:57:53 epv: it's already possible to use the onscreen keyboard with universal search Sep 29 19:58:39 hckyplayer024, what does the ipkg log say after error in preware Sep 29 19:58:52 egaudet: how can i copy paste it? Sep 29 19:58:56 I am going to pull my f$cking hair out of my skull!!!!!!!! Sep 29 19:59:01 you can't Sep 29 19:59:12 gooooz fraba Sep 29 19:59:12 can someone please explain what is so hard about applying a flipping patch Sep 29 19:59:28 haha okay give me a sec to retype the important parts Sep 29 19:59:33 I don't know, what's so hard about applying a patch? Sep 29 19:59:37 theonetruedevo, many many things Sep 29 19:59:41 egaudet: you already updated the vkb to for the 1.2 framework update?!?! Sep 29 19:59:47 whoops Sep 29 19:59:48 Some specifics might help Sep 29 19:59:52 Decimation, yea Sep 29 20:00:02 i wish i knew, but no one reading my post about the led patch can figure it out, sorry i am venting Sep 29 20:00:26 Okay.... so which post where, and what LED patch? Sep 29 20:00:29 PrestonJames: how do you use the virtual keyboard with universal search? Sep 29 20:00:53 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/201642-webos-1-2-patch-blinking-led-notifications.html Sep 29 20:01:08 the vkb is really slick and nice looking btw Sep 29 20:01:22 epv: just open the launcher page and double tap the gesture area. the keyboard will come up for you to type Sep 29 20:01:47 Ahh, I see. *You* aren't having trouble, it's everyone else Sep 29 20:01:48 http://blog.noinc.com/2009/06/19/how-to-overclock-your-palm-pre-and-enable-the-ti-omap3430-smartreflex-mode/ Sep 29 20:01:50 is that save Sep 29 20:01:50 only problem is that quick launcher obscures the keyboard, so you have to carefully use the little move button to move it. Sep 29 20:01:51 theoo, quilt pop -a Sep 29 20:01:53 safe* Sep 29 20:02:04 In that case, they need to give up applying the patch since they failed the IQ test to use it Sep 29 20:02:05 ooh Sep 29 20:02:11 oh im not asking, i wrote the patch, im just bitching Sep 29 20:02:12 decimation, no Sep 29 20:02:19 it didn't do it the first couple of times i tried it, but there it is now Sep 29 20:02:20 yay Sep 29 20:02:26 hmagoo: someone said they did it. Sep 29 20:02:31 can it actually damage my pre Sep 29 20:02:31 ? Sep 29 20:02:36 llmorchard, thats what im saying Sep 29 20:02:40 wait what Sep 29 20:02:44 decimation, it really doesn't work. Sep 29 20:02:47 you bring up launcher and keyboard? Sep 29 20:02:56 the Stable CPU Scaling thread at precentral has a better choice Sep 29 20:03:14 it doesnt help that people are telling them that its faster to use vi to edit all the files involved with the patch, and then they want to know how to use vi Sep 29 20:03:26 *headdesk* Sep 29 20:03:28 theoo, just wait for autopatch to release Sep 29 20:03:37 all command line and quilt and vi go out the window Sep 29 20:03:44 Egaudet: IPKG log (offline root mode: not running org.webosinternals.virtual-keyboard.postinst is in red under confirm then under Failed ther eis Error GenericMethodExceotion: failure during 'postinst' operation Error: mismatch md5sums expected: blah blah blah calculated: blah blah removing package from root Sep 29 20:04:03 Probably best to stop reading / replying to the people who can't figure it out Sep 29 20:04:04 i pmed jason to see if he was wanting to put it in woqi but i havent heard back Sep 29 20:04:14 ew trying to force non-unix-users to use vi and explaining how to use it Sep 29 20:04:31 You put in the work to make the patch, they can put in the work to learn how to use it Sep 29 20:04:32 i would but some of them are asking appropriate question and i dont mind to answer them Sep 29 20:04:33 Decimation: http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/192181-stable-cpu-frequency-scaling-app-here.html Sep 29 20:04:39 Or I suppose they could pay you for support Sep 29 20:05:05 lol Sep 29 20:05:09 hckyplayer024, blah blah blah is important Sep 29 20:05:17 hmagoo: hmm, thanks. Sep 29 20:05:44 theoo, it's in autopatch Sep 29 20:05:51 and QI will be using patch ipk too Sep 29 20:05:56 so it will be in next QI and Preware Sep 29 20:06:00 awesome, when is that dropping Sep 29 20:06:11 sometime this week Sep 29 20:06:17 hopefully Sep 29 20:06:31 are you the one making it?? Sep 29 20:06:36 yea Sep 29 20:06:49 thank you sir, you have just saved my hair Sep 29 20:07:00 Decimation, the current outcome is that almost all people who tested all the different variations out end up sticking to the OP Sep 29 20:07:02 haha okay egaudet sorry just lazy Expected 2ec28f4c3ee55232ccf8b1f142fb92bb calculated: 94bfc9d388f999f680bd24d6c3352e4f Sep 29 20:07:24 I feel like absolute shit Sep 29 20:07:27 and a few people from getting destroyed through precentral posting ;-) Sep 29 20:07:37 lol Sep 29 20:08:46 i havent been following the channel lately, is autopatch a java app, or something else? Sep 29 20:08:56 ah, 102 fever again, back on tylenol. other night I had 104 and felt like I had sunburn everywhere Sep 29 20:09:16 hckyplayer024, you have it installed already Sep 29 20:09:27 theoo, its' a feed Sep 29 20:09:28 and autobuild system Sep 29 20:09:47 downloading webos doctor now Sep 29 20:09:53 oh sweet Sep 29 20:10:00 packaging patches into ipks with generic postinst/prerm for structure/backups Sep 29 20:10:23 lol.... now theres a 400 word post on how to use vi, this is getting bad... Sep 29 20:10:28 * theoo shakes head Sep 29 20:10:36 egaudet: I had it installed under 1.1 and before i upgraded i uninstalled it via preware then updated to 1.2 then tried to install version .4 and it gives me that error message. I manually restarted lunasysmgr and still a nogo when i double tap to being the keyboard up Sep 29 20:10:54 hckyplayer024, the file is patched Sep 29 20:11:31 egaudet: well if it doesnt work what should I do? Sep 29 20:11:49 can you get terminal access via putty or novaterm Sep 29 20:11:53 yeah Sep 29 20:12:19 im logged in as we speak Sep 29 20:12:28 md5sum /usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/submissions/200.18/stylesheets/global.css Sep 29 20:12:32 * oil just played "preopoly" Sep 29 20:12:36 hat kicked my ass Sep 29 20:12:44 oil: ? Sep 29 20:12:47 preopoly? Sep 29 20:12:48 you dont have much luck with pre games Sep 29 20:12:54 0057790483416afb5210a2ce323ddaa0 /usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/submissions/200.18/stylesheets/global.css Sep 29 20:12:54 monopoly Sep 29 20:12:59 but... for the pre... Sep 29 20:13:16 checkers cheats and monopoly beats you down.... sad story Sep 29 20:13:25 checkers doesnt cheat Sep 29 20:13:30 it moves its piece back and forth forever like a child Sep 29 20:13:43 refusing to sacrafice Sep 29 20:14:01 oil: is prepoly any good? Sep 29 20:14:05 lol, thats when i start throwing checker boards Sep 29 20:14:11 I feel like my pre rickrolld me Sep 29 20:14:12 its, uh, ok? Sep 29 20:15:53 egaudet, did that help any? Sep 29 20:16:37 restart preware, do you see it as installed? Sep 29 20:16:46 oil... who handles remounting in preware Sep 29 20:16:49 nope Sep 29 20:16:54 type this: Sep 29 20:17:03 ipkg -o /var install org.webosinternals.virtual-keyboard Sep 29 20:17:11 then restart preware Sep 29 20:17:26 the postinst/prerem? Sep 29 20:17:36 no Sep 29 20:17:49 so must be the service Sep 29 20:17:54 Begin installation of org.webosinternals.virtual-keyboard Sep 29 20:17:54 Installing org.webosinternals.virtual-keyboard (0.4.0) to root... Sep 29 20:17:54 Downloading http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/all/org.webosinternals.virtual-keyboard_0.4.0_all.ipk Sep 29 20:17:54 i can tell you the mojo never does it Sep 29 20:17:55 Configuring org.webosinternals.virtual-keyboard Sep 29 20:17:55 (offline root mode: not running org.webosinternals.virtual-keyboard.postinst) Sep 29 20:18:02 okay and now I am restarting preware Sep 29 20:18:17 and it says its installed Sep 29 20:18:39 hckyplayer024, you ready for this? Sep 29 20:18:47 yes i am Sep 29 20:18:48 right now you should see it as installed with preware Sep 29 20:18:53 but you won't be able to uninstall Sep 29 20:18:53 i do Sep 29 20:18:54 Mousey: can u send me your 4x4patch Sep 29 20:19:02 okay Sep 29 20:19:26 make sure keyboard works though Sep 29 20:19:27 PuffTheMagic: you are under the impression i've done something someone else hasn't. i merely enabled the 4x4 tweak in QI Sep 29 20:19:41 egaudet, it wasnt working but i am doing a restart of LunaSysMgr right now Sep 29 20:19:44 PuffTheMagic, it's in autopatch and gitorious Sep 29 20:20:14 and a side question egaudet, is using autopatch the equivalent of quilt Sep 29 20:20:40 kind of sort of Sep 29 20:20:49 replacement for command line quilt patching Sep 29 20:20:53 after restart still wont work but preware shows its installed Sep 29 20:21:12 SHIT! my palm says my email isnt valid wtf Sep 29 20:21:15 ls /media/internal/virtual-keyboard Sep 29 20:21:23 hckyplayer024, you double tap gesture area with text field up? Sep 29 20:21:44 ls: /media/internal/virtual-keyboard: No such file or directory Sep 29 20:21:52 i guess theres my problem Sep 29 20:22:19 mv /var/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.virtual-keyboard /media/internal/ Sep 29 20:22:23 err no Sep 29 20:22:31 mv /var/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.virtual-keyboard/virtual-keyboard /media/internal/ Sep 29 20:23:37 egaudet: i dont see the patch Sep 29 20:23:42 mv: cannot preserve permissions of '/media/internal/virtual-keyboard': Operation not permitted Sep 29 20:23:44 autobuilder dont conain it Sep 29 20:23:48 PuffTheMagic, where are you looking Sep 29 20:23:59 how about you just paste the patch Sep 29 20:24:04 hckyplayer024, are you root? Sep 29 20:24:09 im looking here http://gitorious.com/webos-internals/modifications/trees/master Sep 29 20:24:20 yup and i made sure im mounted in rw before hand too Sep 29 20:24:30 when i do the ls again i get ls /media/internal/virtual-keyboard Sep 29 20:24:38 kb_config.json sounds themes Sep 29 20:24:42 PuffTheMagic, luna/more_icons_per_row-4x4.... Sep 29 20:24:53 PuffTheMagic, use autopatch feed make it easy :P Sep 29 20:25:08 i dont apply patches with out seeing them Sep 29 20:25:08 http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/modifications/blobs/master/luna/more_icons_per_row_4x4-1.2.patch Sep 29 20:25:13 i will never use autopatch Sep 29 20:25:16 lol Sep 29 20:25:17 ok Sep 29 20:25:24 how is autopatch different then quilt? Sep 29 20:25:33 guess you don't trust the open source eyes on it Sep 29 20:25:53 autopatch is ipk installable by preware Sep 29 20:26:10 hckyplayer024, try keyboard now Sep 29 20:26:12 should work Sep 29 20:26:15 so its more like the tweaks in webos quick install? Sep 29 20:26:19 i made screen notificatoin patch not sure how to upload to git... will anyonelike to do the honors Sep 29 20:26:23 and then we have one more step to do so that you can uninstall it in the future Sep 29 20:26:38 hey seige Sep 29 20:26:45 theonetruedevo, uhh not really and QI will be using the patch ipk Sep 29 20:26:57 okay egaudet its working now :) thanks Sep 29 20:27:01 it's just "advanced" homebrew ipk's that patch Sep 29 20:27:05 does anyone know a number for palm that I can call to get my profile reset Sep 29 20:27:09 hckyplayer024, wait we have to get you set up for future uninstall Sep 29 20:27:18 still here Sep 29 20:27:28 egaudet: sounds interesting, i will give it a shot Sep 29 20:27:59 Jack1987, I can do it later tonight Sep 29 20:28:22 hckyplayer024, Sep 29 20:28:32 cd /var/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.virtual-keyboard Sep 29 20:28:44 touch md5sums.patched Sep 29 20:29:32 okay Sep 29 20:29:34 got it Sep 29 20:29:45 so the gnu patch ipk dont seem to work Sep 29 20:29:48 whats up with that Sep 29 20:29:57 so now next time I need to uninstall with preware and reinstall it should work cleanly? Sep 29 20:30:50 for i in `/var/usr/bin/diffstat -p1 -l add-onscreen-keyboard.patch`; do md5sum /$i >> md5sums.patched; done Sep 29 20:30:50 egaudet, by feed im assuming you mean a feed inside of preware, correct? Sep 29 20:31:01 theoo yea Sep 29 20:31:10 PuffTheMagic, what do you mean it doesn't work? Sep 29 20:31:15 thanks, im removing my headaches at the moment Sep 29 20:31:15 i installed it Sep 29 20:31:21 simply extracts patch to /var/usr/bin/patch Sep 29 20:31:22 and there was no patch binary anywhere Sep 29 20:31:35 egaudet: and accoring to the info file it was installed in /usr/bin Sep 29 20:31:37 not /var/usr/bin Sep 29 20:31:40 err Sep 29 20:31:42 hckyplayer024, you still with me? Sep 29 20:31:42 well yeah Sep 29 20:31:49 cat md5sums.patched Sep 29 20:31:49 i know the issue now Sep 29 20:32:11 -o /var Sep 29 20:32:18 egaudet, Last thing I did was cd /var/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.virtual-keyboard Sep 29 20:32:18 root@castle:/var/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.virtual-keyboard# touc Sep 29 20:32:19 h md5sums.patched Sep 29 20:32:36 hckyplayer024, do the "for i in" ^^^ Sep 29 20:32:56 in js? Sep 29 20:33:07 ?? Sep 29 20:33:25 just copy paste that? Sep 29 20:33:46 yea the whole thing Sep 29 20:34:16 root@castle:/var/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.virtual-keyboard# or i Sep 29 20:34:16 in `/var/usr/bin/diffstat -p1 -l add-onscreen-keyboard.patch`; do md5sum /$i >> Sep 29 20:34:16 md5sums.patched; done -sh: or: not found Sep 29 20:34:30 hckyplayer024, misssing f at beginning... should be for not or Sep 29 20:34:32 whoops missed the f Sep 29 20:34:53 okay Sep 29 20:34:55 i did that Sep 29 20:35:12 cat md5sums.patched Sep 29 20:35:25 then cat md5sums.patch ? Sep 29 20:35:26 just tell me the line with palmInitFramework200_18.js in it Sep 29 20:35:30 yea hckyplayer024 Sep 29 20:36:00 Jack1987, is this the led notification patch? Sep 29 20:36:02 is it possible to properly compile your own pre kernel yet? Sep 29 20:36:11 i want to throw the android drivers in Sep 29 20:36:17 egaudet, yes Sep 29 20:36:19 from precentral thread? Sep 29 20:36:20 egaudet: ok this is why i wanted to look at the patch Sep 29 20:36:21 94bfc9d388f999f680bd24d6c3352e4f egaudet Sep 29 20:36:21 i saw a thing on precentral but it was for 1.0.3 Sep 29 20:36:29 er the wiki Sep 29 20:36:37 why does the 4x4 patch also include the add new launch page patch? Sep 29 20:36:39 hckyplayer024 does it list the file next to it? Sep 29 20:36:49 it doesn't/shouldn't? Sep 29 20:36:51 egaudet, yes... well kinda i redid it.. the one on the thread is the one i created fritos put it up there Sep 29 20:36:54 egaudet: it DOES Sep 29 20:36:57 and did Sep 29 20:37:07 howdy guys! guess who just broke their PRE! (hardware wise) :) Sep 29 20:37:11 Jack1987, that one is in gitorious, so you want it updated? Sep 29 20:37:18 egaudet, i updated the header to explain notification should be turned on in screenlock Sep 29 20:37:25 egaudet this is what I see 94bfc9d388f999f680bd24d6c3352e4f /usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/builtins/palmInitFramework200_18.js Sep 29 20:37:29 what header? Sep 29 20:37:32 the patch header? Sep 29 20:37:34 so yeah i think it worked Sep 29 20:37:46 yea hckyplayer024 you are good to go Sep 29 20:37:59 egaudet, yes Sep 29 20:38:08 so next time I uninstall and reinstall it it will work through preware? Sep 29 20:38:45 I'll update it if you want, it's also in autopatch feed as ipk let me know if you want to change the Title, Description, screenshot Sep 29 20:38:53 hckyplayer024, yes Sep 29 20:39:09 egaudet awesome thanks so much man works perfectly! Sep 29 20:39:20 hckyplayer024, is your /media/internal mapped differently ? Sep 29 20:39:41 nope i havent touched it Sep 29 20:39:45 the only thing I can think of is that there was an error installing AFTER the postinst ran so that's how this situation happened but I dunno why Sep 29 20:40:00 you should be good, but the FIRST error you get check the ipkg log in the future, because the 2nd time the error might be different Sep 29 20:40:11 egaudet, the rest of it should be fine Sep 29 20:40:12 okay I see Sep 29 20:40:18 i tried to install it a bunch of times Sep 29 20:40:22 Jack1987, well I mean the ipk metadata Sep 29 20:40:24 after restarting and other things Sep 29 20:40:39 for what the title, description and screenshots will show up in preware Sep 29 20:41:02 hckyplayer024, yea after the 1st error, all the other errors were due to it being already patched so that first error was a one time thing. Sep 29 20:41:09 just for future reference Sep 29 20:41:38 okay next time if something happens (hopefully not) ill record the error in ipkg for you Sep 29 20:41:47 after 2 days of "download failed to verify" attempting to download 1.2 I'm giving up Sep 29 20:41:48 egaudet: so the fact that the 4x4 patch is more than just the 4x4 patch is why i dont trust the opensource eyes Sep 29 20:42:00 I'm backing up /media/internal, and preparing to do the dr. Sep 29 20:42:07 and I'm peeved. Sep 29 20:42:27 Rick_work: 1.2 is made of fail Sep 29 20:42:36 it borked my phone Sep 29 20:42:36 lol Sep 29 20:42:37 this is the first time since I got this phone at 08:07 on June 6 that I've had to do ANYTHING to it that I did't want to do. Sep 29 20:42:39 PuffTheMagic, that patch was just added last night Sep 29 20:42:46 it should be fixed Sep 29 20:42:53 oh and just a suggestion for the people who manage the git repository and preware if there was a better way to distinguish between webos 1.1 patches and 1.2 that would be great Sep 29 20:43:30 egaudet: yes it should, but its things like that i dont trust patches Sep 29 20:43:31 i haven't had problems with 1.2 Sep 29 20:43:42 ohhhhh Sep 29 20:43:43 today... Sep 29 20:43:44 hckyplayer024, everything goes to 1.1 Sep 29 20:43:46 err 1.2 Sep 29 20:43:48 Azalyn There'sa first time for everything.... Sep 29 20:43:49 i removed the battery from my moms phone Sep 29 20:43:50 and it dies Sep 29 20:43:51 most of the 1.1patches seem to work fine Sep 29 20:43:52 died Sep 29 20:43:57 isnt that awesome Sep 29 20:43:58 PuffTheMagic, what's the worst that can happen, you get add/delete pages Sep 29 20:44:06 hckyplayer024: if it doesn't work, its for 1.1 Sep 29 20:44:07 egaudet: for this case yes... Sep 29 20:44:09 it's not like there is real trust issues to be had with them Sep 29 20:44:12 idk what else other patches might do Sep 29 20:44:37 and you can always view the patches doesn't mean you have to restrict yourself from not using an easier method to install them. just saying Sep 29 20:44:46 worst thing for me is re-jiggering my 7 launcher pages. Sep 29 20:44:50 oh well. Sep 29 20:44:59 7? Sep 29 20:45:00 shit Sep 29 20:45:01 if you are going to look at the patch before installing it anyway, the install method is meaningless Sep 29 20:45:09 egaudet: im using git to track the changes.... i want to apply the stuff manually Sep 29 20:45:36 egaudet: how exactly do you look at what a patch does and make changes manually Sep 29 20:45:51 the patch tells you what it does? Sep 29 20:45:56 I would like to know as well Sep 29 20:45:57 hckyplayer024: - means a line was removed, + means a line was added Sep 29 20:46:06 just look at what changes Sep 29 20:46:09 and make the change your self Sep 29 20:46:13 you don't really want to manually change a .patch Sep 29 20:46:24 how do you add more pages? Sep 29 20:46:25 :| Sep 29 20:46:28 but where can I download the .patch to my computer Sep 29 20:46:30 i guess now the big thing is figuring out how to change orientation again for messaging app Sep 29 20:46:38 i have only the three default pages in mine Sep 29 20:46:38 hckyplayer024, what .patch Sep 29 20:46:40 and do I just open it with any text editor? Sep 29 20:46:50 any text editor yes Sep 29 20:47:01 just in general, lets say I want the messaging orientation patch from git Sep 29 20:47:24 Do i just go in /opt/src/modifications and copy the .patch file to media/internal? Sep 29 20:47:29 Jack1987, that patch still works Sep 29 20:47:43 thanks for the heads up egaudet Sep 29 20:47:53 im kind of a n00b but I'm just getting the hang of this stuff Sep 29 20:48:19 Jack1987, well I added a new onea few days ago because the old one was funky to me Sep 29 20:48:21 and didn't work Sep 29 20:48:28 just sounds kind of tedious to mv from /opt/src/modifications and put in /media/internal/ and then connect via USB and put it on my comp and them open it in a text editor Sep 29 20:48:34 ok ya thats the issue i ran into egaudet Sep 29 20:48:40 it's message-orientation.patch in gitorious modifications.git messaing/ dir Sep 29 20:48:54 hckyplayer024: yeah there are easier ways to get the patch Sep 29 20:48:54 and it applies with fuzz and works in 1.2 Sep 29 20:48:59 you can use sftp hckyplayer024 Sep 29 20:49:07 man why does the pre have to use such an old kernel Sep 29 20:49:13 hckyplayer024, winscp Sep 29 20:49:29 hckyplayer024, Sep 29 20:49:29 if their kernel was more current it would be piss-easy to get android to run Sep 29 20:49:36 http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/modifications Sep 29 20:49:45 jack1987 im on a mac lol Sep 29 20:49:47 that's what goes into /opt/src/modifications Sep 29 20:49:51 you can just get it off the net Sep 29 20:50:00 hum that does make it a bitch Sep 29 20:50:15 does anyone know of a sftp mac client that will work? Sep 29 20:50:26 ya wget works to Sep 29 20:50:28 sftp? Sep 29 20:50:30 why Sep 29 20:50:31 use ssh Sep 29 20:50:32 you can just clone the repo on your local machine Sep 29 20:50:33 and scp Sep 29 20:50:43 and get the patches from the modifications repo rather than your pre Sep 29 20:50:46 why use pre as middle-man Sep 29 20:50:53 exactly Sep 29 20:51:02 so how would i clone the repo onto my mac Sep 29 20:51:06 does mac have git? Sep 29 20:51:10 nope Sep 29 20:51:16 well maybe Sep 29 20:51:17 idk Sep 29 20:51:19 i always grab them from the net.. although my pre has it cloned on there Sep 29 20:51:26 http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/modifications Sep 29 20:51:42 you can always grab it right from there hckyplayer024. I have never used a mac so i dunno Sep 29 20:51:43 you can install git via mac ports egaudet Sep 29 20:52:10 yeah that works egaudet Sep 29 20:52:16 just go to the source tree and download Sep 29 20:52:19 i can zip and send to you hckyplayer024 if you like Sep 29 20:52:36 i think ill be good Sep 29 20:52:43 i can just go through the source tree Sep 29 20:52:48 and find everything i need Sep 29 20:52:51 thanks jack1987 Sep 29 20:53:22 I followed the instructions on the pages "Accessing Linux Using Novaterm" and "Next steps" on www.webos-internals.org. I am able to root into my Palm Pre, install Optware, and setup a user named kevin. However, I cannot ssh into the phone. I am on the EVDO network. I went to whatismyip.com and I got 173.126.244.211 as my IP. I then tried "ssh -p 222 kevin@173.126.244.211" but I keep getting a time out error. When I am logged in as root through t Sep 29 20:53:22 root@castle:/# ps aux | grep dropbear Sep 29 20:53:23 root 1113 0.0 0.2 1988 672 ? Ss 00:12 0:00 /opt/sbin/dropbear -g -F -p 222 Sep 29 20:53:23 zipped and ready if you want it hckyplayer024 Sep 29 20:53:25 root 3917 0.0 0.2 2692 532 pts/0 R<+ 20:18 0:00 grep dropbear Sep 29 20:53:29 Is there any reason anyone can think of as to why I am not able to ssh into my phone from my terminal? Sep 29 20:53:46 haha jack1987 well if its already zipped Sep 29 20:53:50 thanks Sep 29 20:54:23 i am already in my pre so it was easy Sep 29 20:54:35 cool Sep 29 20:54:36 thanks Sep 29 20:55:01 your welcome Sep 29 20:55:24 another questions, sorry I keep asking but you guys are really helpful Sep 29 20:55:37 hekevintran: does "ifconfig" agree with that IP address? If not, you're probably NAT'd off on a private network, and you can't ssh into your pre from an external source. Sep 29 20:56:01 how do you get the LED to light up when you miss a text, I installed the patch via the autopatch feed on preware but I cant find where to turn the option on Sep 29 20:56:03 hekevintran - you may need to add an iptables rule to allow incoming connections over evdo Sep 29 20:56:34 there should be instructions for doing that somewhere on the webos-internals.org page Sep 29 20:56:35 * jbrett has never tried ssh'ing in over evdo, is pretty sure he doesn't want to enable it ;) Sep 29 20:56:43 maybe search for iptables and ssh? Sep 29 20:56:49 hmm Sep 29 20:57:00 so ssh over evdo isn't the normal thing? Sep 29 20:57:15 i dunno. imagine if your phone got stolen... you could ssh in, record audio, play rude noises at will, get gps location, etc... Sep 29 20:57:39 seems useful to me Sep 29 20:57:42 well, assuming you could figure out what its IP address was once it got stolen.. Sep 29 20:57:43 what do people normally use to ssh if not over evdo? Sep 29 20:57:56 if you setup dynamic dns you could Sep 29 20:57:57 hckyplayer024, i was just talking to egaudet about that.. its in your screenlock menu Sep 29 20:57:58 i think they're saying they only ssh in via wifi Sep 29 20:58:01 hekevintran: I only enabled it for eth0 (wifi) Sep 29 20:58:09 i ssh in over evdo regularl Sep 29 20:58:10 y Sep 29 20:58:23 hckyplayer024, go into the screenlock menu and turn the blink notifications on Sep 29 20:58:29 jack1987 thanks got it Sep 29 20:58:55 anyway: /usr/sbin/iptables -I INPUT -p tcp --dport 222 -j ACCEPT Sep 29 20:59:16 ok, differn't strokes & all that. My evdo connection is so flaky, I never even bothered to try :) Sep 29 20:59:36 you can put that somewhere in the service startup script for the ssh service to have it be automatic Sep 29 21:00:15 ooo, the new palm-log command is keen Sep 29 21:00:47 now if only I could figure out com.palm.downloadmanager/upload Sep 29 21:02:21 thanks very much epv Sep 29 21:02:25 it worked! Sep 29 21:02:25 sure Sep 29 21:02:58 okay one more dumb question, where is the location of the script that starts ssh service? Sep 29 21:04:36 lmorchard: palm-log? Sep 29 21:04:44 that's not in my path anywhere. Sep 29 21:04:49 jbrett: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1805 Sep 29 21:04:58 Should come with the new SDK Sep 29 21:05:04 oooh.. Sep 29 21:05:17 Oh, yeah, there's a new SDK in case you didn't get it ;) Sep 29 21:05:23 * jbrett thought maybe it was something in 1.2 ;) Sep 29 21:05:29 lmorchard: lol. thx ;) Sep 29 21:05:55 Cuts about 60 characters off the front of log lines, too Sep 29 21:06:17 as in, it just shows the stuff relevant to a single app Sep 29 21:09:39 Ithink that's whythey delayed 1.2 so that the update, the sdk and the dr all came out AT THE SAME TIME. Sep 29 21:11:56 hekevintran: /etc/event.d/dropbear or /etc/event.d/optware-openssh, depending on which package you installed Sep 29 21:13:13 anyone know of an open source developer group for palm pre apps? equivalent to say apache? Sep 29 21:14:48 thanks Sep 29 21:15:43 Rick_work: the doctor takes 0 extra work to generate for an OS image Sep 29 21:17:56 egaudet: ping Sep 29 21:18:03 PuffTheMagic, pong Sep 29 21:18:20 egaudet: can i suggest something when you "fix" the 4x4 patch Sep 29 21:21:15 you can, I don't want to be the one "fixing" it though Sep 29 21:21:33 oh... well then nm Sep 29 21:21:35 although I probably will end up being the one Sep 29 21:21:38 so just say it Sep 29 21:22:21 fix the spacings Sep 29 21:22:58 text overlap? Sep 29 21:22:59 increase the width from 72 to 80 Sep 29 21:23:07 PuffTheMagic, why don't you fix it? Sep 29 21:23:09 :P Sep 29 21:23:10 and then move the left margin over Sep 29 21:23:44 hah Sep 29 21:23:55 and add the multi line thing Sep 29 21:24:02 and decrease the row spacing :D Sep 29 21:24:11 did you know you can get around the app install limit by just symlinking /var/usr/applications to a folder in /media/internal Sep 29 21:24:18 http://pastebin.com/d3bc92112 Sep 29 21:25:03 sampson: not a good idea to put linux files on fat32 Sep 29 21:25:04 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/205649-resolution-app-catalog-install-limit-proposal.html Sep 29 21:25:12 tru Sep 29 21:25:26 but all apps are installing as root:root Sep 29 21:25:30 so it isn't a big ordeal atm Sep 29 21:25:32 PuffTheMagic, it's just text Sep 29 21:26:06 i didnt say it would necessarily cause an issue Sep 29 21:26:09 just not a good idea Sep 29 21:26:26 so Puff you fixing that patch? Sep 29 21:26:32 a lot of stuff isn't a good idea Sep 29 21:27:19 sampson, also probably want to copy it to a .hidden directory in /media/internal Sep 29 21:27:30 so photo app doesnt show you all the app images Sep 29 21:27:36 true Sep 29 21:27:50 PuffTheMagic: could make a ext3 "image" and mount in loopback off /media/internal Sep 29 21:27:58 bad idea too Sep 29 21:28:03 that breaks usb storage mode Sep 29 21:28:06 well yeah, data loss is a major possibility Sep 29 21:28:11 mounting in loopback does? Sep 29 21:28:27 yeah if something is mounted on /media/internal you can go into storage mode Sep 29 21:28:46 it needs to be able to unmount /media/internal in order to share it via usb Sep 29 21:29:00 so you can't depend on anything in /media/internal being available that way Sep 29 21:29:11 what's /dev/mapper/control ? Sep 29 21:29:31 that's the node that dm-setup uses to talk to the kernel Sep 29 21:29:33 its not a volume Sep 29 21:29:50 figured that but there should be a way to change the volume size of internal somehow Sep 29 21:30:11 you could split it and make another LVM volume Sep 29 21:30:18 you could always use the space that pre has set asside for the dr to install the temp image too Sep 29 21:30:27 all your shit is going bye bye anyway if u have to dr Sep 29 21:30:31 so may as well use that space Sep 29 21:30:34 take a couple gb off /media/internal and make a new volume to use for anything you like Sep 29 21:31:09 ah Sep 29 21:31:12 didn't know it was lvm Sep 29 21:32:46 store-update Sep 29 21:33:03 fuck that Sep 29 21:33:06 yeah i was surprised, it's kinda cool that they used lvm Sep 29 21:33:08 just toast the internal volume and make a new one Sep 29 21:33:14 well split them Sep 29 21:33:17 more work Sep 29 21:33:24 and then add the new lvm to /var/usr/palm/applications Sep 29 21:33:35 via fstab Sep 29 21:33:38 irssi installed; I was mistakenly trying to install ircii before, appreciate the help lol Sep 29 21:33:40 omre work? it's like 10 commands? Sep 29 21:33:43 i personally like the shrink store-media method Sep 29 21:33:51 and make new volume Sep 29 21:33:54 takes way longer Sep 29 21:34:05 plus you would still have to reinit the filesystem on store-media Sep 29 21:35:29 yeah that is easy Sep 29 21:35:43 mkfs.vfat -F32 /dev/mapper/store-media Sep 29 21:36:03 egaudet: ok i got the 4x4 spacing perfectly tuned :D Sep 29 21:36:07 yeah but to shrink the volume via lvm will take forever Sep 29 21:36:18 naa Sep 29 21:36:19 its quick Sep 29 21:36:25 very quick Sep 29 21:36:42 sampson: ok well i didnt resize it Sep 29 21:36:44 i deleted it Sep 29 21:36:48 and made a new, smaller one Sep 29 21:36:54 that was almost instant Sep 29 21:36:55 :D Sep 29 21:36:56 ding ding ding Sep 29 21:37:02 i dont do resizes Sep 29 21:37:09 yes that's what i was saying Sep 29 21:37:11 NERD Sep 29 21:37:19 PuffTheMagic, nice remove the add/delete out of it and push it :D Sep 29 21:37:29 please Sep 29 21:37:40 possibly :D Sep 29 21:37:53 dinner time Sep 29 21:37:54 PuffTheMagic, did you add text wrapping or truncate for long names? Sep 29 21:37:54 bbl Sep 29 21:38:03 wrapping Sep 29 21:38:13 i still need to make the inter-row spacing a tad smaller Sep 29 21:38:58 i love people who are like I KNOW HOW TO CODE HOW DO I GET TO THESE APPS TO WORK WITH THEM *explains novaterm and vi* Sep 29 21:39:01 what's vi? Sep 29 21:39:02 respect--; Sep 29 21:39:28 vi = 6 Sep 29 21:39:40 what was that link to the 1.2 changelog again? Sep 29 21:39:58 evdo needs to launch her so i can webosdoctor my shit Sep 29 21:46:42 heading home, bbl Sep 29 21:47:44 *%!@ I cant get my palm profile password! Sep 29 21:48:02 the website apparently cant process my request Sep 29 21:49:03 hey when you use webosdoctor do you have to *activate* the phone again? not the palm profile i'm aware you gotta do that Sep 29 21:50:20 I had to reactivate mine the 2 times I used it so far Sep 29 21:50:27 Got my MSL code to do it Sep 29 21:50:54 But others have reported no need for reactivation Sep 29 21:50:55 I have to reactivate my phone? Sep 29 21:51:07 shit Sep 29 21:51:08 Oh, I was talking about the webosdoctor Sep 29 21:51:14 I am too Sep 29 21:51:20 Oh... hmm. crud Sep 29 21:51:24 ok so what do I need Sep 29 21:51:30 MSL check Sep 29 21:51:38 webos doctor check Sep 29 21:51:58 palm profile (website overloaded Sep 29 21:51:58 I had to call sprint and ask for my MSL code, then did an ##RTN# reset from the phone screen Sep 29 21:52:20 I have my msl number Sep 29 21:52:30 This might help: http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/194783-used-webos-dr-now-i-cant-sign-into-profile.html Sep 29 21:52:41 4:45pm and I FINALLY get lunch Sep 29 21:52:50 maybe I should have sprint do it Sep 29 21:54:04 egaudet: what did puff make? :D Sep 29 21:54:24 That might be the safest, but I managed to get it working again with ##RTN# from the login screen, and did a reset with the MSL code Sep 29 21:54:34 Been a month or two since I did it, so the details are fuzzy Sep 29 22:00:26 Is it possible to access a website with the browser stored under /media/internal? Sep 29 22:01:50 Perhaps with Doc View. Sep 29 22:10:27 You could try loading file::// urls Sep 29 22:10:43 they seem to work with AJAX Sep 29 22:10:54 well, XHR anywya Sep 29 22:12:24 hah Sep 29 22:12:37 the browser coughs up "Cannot display local files." Sep 29 22:12:46 bah Sep 29 22:13:11 it would be handy to keep entire websites on the device for 'offline viewing' Sep 29 22:13:29 Yeah, I was thinking about doing something like Plucker for webos Sep 29 22:14:06 which would either entail docs in /media/internal fetched on the fly via XmlHTTPRequest or some harebrained DB scheme Sep 29 22:15:06 a DB-based virtual filesystem would mean you could download converted docs from the web, whereas /media/internal would be a drag & drop in USB mode Sep 29 22:15:28 Although... the download manager might be able to help with that. hmm Sep 29 22:15:42 I tend to do everything over sftp in /media/internal Sep 29 22:16:27 Plucker looks cool Sep 29 22:17:27 I've read whole novels with plucker on old-school palm OS devices Sep 29 22:17:51 I've been using 'fbreader' on my netbook for that Sep 29 22:18:33 sampson, http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/193005-low-disk-file-system-work-around.html Sep 29 22:18:33 the best thing would be a port of fbreader to webos native, but that's out of my jurisdiction Sep 29 22:19:08 might be best just to start from scratch with weboS Sep 29 22:19:10 webOS* Sep 29 22:19:32 Jack1987: that's not a good solution due to /media/internal not having the same file structure as /var Sep 29 22:19:38 file system* Sep 29 22:19:45 sampson: I have a temp workaround in my thread Sep 29 22:19:54 i already know how to work around it ;) Sep 29 22:20:08 I tar all the apps to /media/internal/backup.tar Sep 29 22:20:11 then delete the apps Sep 29 22:20:14 restart luna Sep 29 22:20:20 isntall with app cat.. Sep 29 22:20:26 untar the files back to app folder Sep 29 22:20:27 restart luna Sep 29 22:21:10 the easiest way is to just mv applications to .old, delete the media lvm, create it smaller, create an applications lvm, mkfs them both and then add the new applications lvm to /etc/fstab Sep 29 22:21:45 nah Sep 29 22:21:49 that's not the "Easiest" Sep 29 22:21:54 well it's the best approach Sep 29 22:21:58 that might be the more functional and best for future use Sep 29 22:22:01 as it maintains the filesystem type in the applications dir Sep 29 22:22:05 but it's by far not easier Sep 29 22:22:13 so does tar'ing Sep 29 22:22:21 if you know linux it's just as easy as taring or symbolic linking Sep 29 22:25:35 sampson: :) Sep 29 22:30:30 Damn. I can't use the downloadmanager service to download from data: URLs into /media/internal :) Sep 29 22:38:15 lmorchard: what are data: URL's, out of curiosity? I take it you wanted a way to write data to a file? Sep 29 22:38:33 drnull: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data:_URL Sep 29 22:38:36 Basically, yeah :) Sep 29 22:38:49 haha, nice idea. :) Sep 29 22:39:44 File system access to /media/internal would be nice, but I guess they need to enforce a sandbox on that first... like one root dir per app or something Sep 29 22:40:32 Good grief, already they've given us too much control. You can specify any directory, any filename. I haven't tested much, but, that could be damaging. Sep 29 22:41:18 well, the download manager is limited to /media/internal at least for downloads Sep 29 22:41:39 upload doesn't specify a constraint, but I would be surprised if I could upload databases from /var Sep 29 22:42:27 Quick question. Any reason why I don't see everything when I use novaterm and cd to /media/internal? All I see is downloads folder. Sep 29 22:42:33 Ok, I'd like to check to see if you can upload/download to /media/internal/.app-storage, although those 5-10 meg db's I have would be a pain. Sep 29 22:43:04 SirWill2: Are you in USB Mode, by chance? Sep 29 22:43:35 Hmmmm I think it did that first then went and did safely remove it... Sep 29 22:43:43 probably need to reconnect and not chose usb mode. Sep 29 22:43:46 hmm... weird Sep 29 22:44:37 drnull: Oh, and... drPodder? Awesome. Sep 29 22:46:27 Hmm. Seems to fail on uploading things from .app-storage, but might have to tyr downloads Sep 29 22:46:42 lmorchard: thanks. It fulfills my personal need for a podcatcher. :) I tired of the itunes setup after a day, and then did the bashpodder setup just to get by while I got PrePod started. It's kinda snowballed since... Sep 29 22:47:49 is emoney_33 in here? Sep 29 22:47:51 lmorchard: did you notice the reply to the header setting request over on palm dev forums? Sep 29 22:48:13 yeah, that was it. Been a while since I had to do this. Thanks for the reminder lmorchard. Sep 29 22:49:14 <-- emoney_33 Sep 29 22:49:17 http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?p=8383#p8383 kinda disappointing. I feel like the sports fan after the loss. "Maybe next version... maybe next version" Sep 29 22:50:00 that being said... they are opening up api's and that's cool. I guess I'm just eager to see more. :) Sep 29 22:50:08 i just tried your fix for getting rid of the keyboard icons in the photos, and it did, but keyboard no longer functions Sep 29 22:52:05 +egaudet: i'm referring to the instructions at the precentral thread Sep 29 22:52:15 egaudet: how do I view the current patch files of the git repo? Sep 29 22:52:22 before autobuild Sep 29 22:52:39 i am so sick of the mail app on the pre Sep 29 22:52:40 it sucks Sep 29 22:52:47 when i set it to show all mail Sep 29 22:52:48 mine works just fine Sep 29 22:52:51 :D Sep 29 22:52:52 it downloads nothing Sep 29 22:52:52 i like it PuffTheMagic Sep 29 22:53:00 i cant get any mail Sep 29 22:53:03 Puff, are you EVER optomistic or HAPPY about something? Sep 29 22:53:03 so its basically useless Sep 29 22:53:24 I was very optimistic about the Pre Sep 29 22:53:26 the patches are in gitorious Sep 29 22:53:30 and for the most part i still like it Sep 29 22:53:34 So don't use it Sep 29 22:53:34 but the mail app sucks Sep 29 22:53:48 so use webmail through the browser Sep 29 22:53:50 PrestonJames, which fix the sym link? Sep 29 22:54:03 dBsooner: i would, but that is equally as shitty Sep 29 22:54:03 egaudet: I am going to break out that 4x4 patch later Sep 29 22:54:13 I forgot it had both 4x4 and add/remove launcher pages Sep 29 22:54:17 dBsooner: i've got a improved 4x4 Sep 29 22:54:33 would you mind pushing it to the repo? Sep 29 22:54:43 or emailing it to me? :D Sep 29 22:55:01 or forcing egaudet to update the repo with the one you got? Sep 29 22:55:03 i can pastebin it once im done with the last tweak Sep 29 22:55:12 +egaudet: cd /media/internal mv virtual-keyboard .virtual-keyboard ln -s .virtual-keyboard virtual-keyboard Sep 29 22:55:19 * dBsooner just wants 4x4,nothing more Sep 29 22:55:21 dBsooner, http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/modifications Sep 29 22:55:30 the autobuilder pulls them from there baesd on the tag in the common.mk makefile Sep 29 22:55:50 cool Sep 29 22:55:51 thanks Sep 29 22:55:56 PrestonJames, did you reboot after and the keyboard doesn't work? Sep 29 22:56:08 * dBsooner wonders how to get that link to his home pc.. Sep 29 22:56:21 PuffTheMagic, why pastebin it? Sep 29 22:56:33 just push it Sep 29 22:56:43 yeah i did. no dice. Sep 29 22:56:50 push it overwriting the current Sep 29 22:56:50 boo Sep 29 22:57:12 bc the current is two patches in one, which is not as labelled. Sep 29 22:58:45 oh yea fat doesn't do sym links eh Sep 29 23:00:47 ~seen jaycanuck Sep 29 23:00:48 jaycanuck was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 3d 3h 19m 59s ago, saying: 'hi all'. Sep 29 23:00:53 * zsoc sighs Sep 29 23:01:59 +egaudet: when i did the third step, i got an error, "command not allowed" Sep 29 23:02:09 yea it's fat fs Sep 29 23:03:21 Can someone please verify for me that compiling a java service will be platform independent? Sep 29 23:06:10 java is compiled into bytecode which is platform independent, the java engine that compiles bytecode into machine code is platform dependent Sep 29 23:06:56 hola folk Sep 29 23:06:57 s Sep 29 23:06:58 egaudet, so compilers for x86 vs arm will be different, but the end result will be the same :) Sep 29 23:07:38 er, both compilers and engine, i suppose Sep 29 23:07:57 the java compilers aren't platform dependent because the same bytecode that it's compiled into can be run on any system Sep 29 23:08:03 I guess what I'm trying to say is I should be able to compile a service on x86 without any sort of "cross-compiling' nonsense Sep 29 23:08:04 the java engines are different Sep 29 23:08:27 i think i get it... mostly :> Sep 29 23:08:30 yea java compiling is not platform dependent Sep 29 23:08:37 egaudet: cause i dont have the repo cloned Sep 29 23:08:41 so its easier to paste it Sep 29 23:08:43 for someone else to push Sep 29 23:08:48 egaudet, thank you :) hows the VK 1.2 mess going? Sep 29 23:09:12 git clone git@gitorious.org:webos-internals/modifications.git Sep 29 23:09:15 :P Sep 29 23:09:19 thats not easier Sep 29 23:09:25 it's better Sep 29 23:09:32 for u not me :D Sep 29 23:09:56 i dont want to commit in that repo :D Sep 29 23:09:59 guys, how can i root into my pre in order to install mytether Sep 29 23:10:00 yea well I am trying not to become the defacto patch manager Sep 29 23:10:05 PuffTheMagic, why not? Sep 29 23:10:14 phiq: install terminal Sep 29 23:10:21 egaudet: i dont want to be affiliated with patches in any way Sep 29 23:10:25 do it from terminal. Otherwise, there is a wealth of information on how to "root" Sep 29 23:10:27 hahah PuffTheMagic Sep 29 23:10:30 just do it Sep 29 23:10:32 phiq, if you can root your pre, please, tell me how. last time I tried rooting my Pre I ended up with a Palm Tree Sep 29 23:10:32 * oil blames all patch problems on puff Sep 29 23:10:39 you will succumb to the patches!! Sep 29 23:10:42 from preware? Sep 29 23:10:49 phiq: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Accessing_Linux Sep 29 23:11:02 yes, in preware, you install the terminal servi e FIRST, then terminal Sep 29 23:11:02 i install terminal from preware> Sep 29 23:11:10 egaudet: i might start looking into duck punching since none of the patch fanboys will do it Sep 29 23:11:11 ok Sep 29 23:11:17 laters Sep 29 23:11:21 I am going to look into it too Sep 29 23:11:25 and did you just call me a fanboy lol Sep 29 23:11:27 * zsoc|bbl likes ducks Sep 29 23:11:32 but i want to get the autopatching out first Sep 29 23:11:49 because it makes people's lives easier NOW, and then we explore the more correct way to do it Sep 29 23:12:33 ehh autopatch is a waste of time if you are serious about getting duck punching working Sep 29 23:12:47 it's not a waste of time because the time is already gone Sep 29 23:13:09 plus duck punching isn't guaranteed to be the resolution for all types of patching Sep 29 23:13:19 But yea we should duck punch Sep 29 23:16:14 where is terminal categorized in preware? Sep 29 23:16:43 list of everything > type 'term' Sep 29 23:16:53 just go to list of everything Sep 29 23:16:55 start typing terminal Sep 29 23:17:51 thx Sep 29 23:21:55 how can i get | on the pre's kb Sep 29 23:22:11 symbols? Sep 29 23:22:15 if not, copy paste Sep 29 23:22:16 :D Sep 29 23:22:54 how do u copy paste Sep 29 23:23:21 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Terminal#Operating_notes Sep 29 23:23:39 forgive me if this is a FAQ, but anyone have success with mms or rtsp URLs? Seems spotty via browser; appears supported in SDK Sep 29 23:23:56 drnull: Ugh, on the user-agent thing Sep 29 23:24:07 PuffTheMagic: donkey punching doesn't modify source code, it inserts at runtime, correct? How does it know when runtime goes? DOes it have a listener that sits there and watches for the data to be processed? Wouldn't that slow down overall fnction? Sep 29 23:24:25 * dBsooner knows it's duck punching, but I like calling it donkey Sep 29 23:24:28 drnull: Also fwiw, drpodder and pandora have replaced my satelite radio subscription Sep 29 23:24:46 I have podcasts on my ipod, but so much easier to just cue up an episode streaming :) Sep 29 23:25:45 ...I've not heard the term "donkey punch" in relation to code... Sep 29 23:25:49 dBsooner: nfc i dont know shit about it Sep 29 23:25:55 or else it woudl be implemented lready Sep 29 23:26:27 well, now you have Sep 29 23:26:36 :LD Sep 29 23:26:55 phiq, i think | s orange + . Sep 29 23:27:10 does the code, like, clench up? Sep 29 23:27:20 i'm assuming since themes are off on precentral that they are managed by directly writing the luna css files, can anyone verify? Sep 29 23:27:26 dBsooner, I believe duck punching is just overwrite methods Sep 29 23:27:35 that's what I was thinking it would do if it ran as a process Sep 29 23:27:40 so I call it donkey punching Sep 29 23:27:40 :D Sep 29 23:27:43 so there would still need to be ONE single patch to get custom js loaded that would overwrite methods Sep 29 23:28:11 opie_, yea they overwrite the files Sep 29 23:28:15 Isn't it more known as "MonkeyPatch"? Sep 29 23:28:32 opie_: yep. Sep 29 23:28:50 I just installed 1.2 and went to reinstall preware manually, and get the following error: "Cannot find package org.webosinternals.ipkgservice" Sep 29 23:28:50 opie_: I called Dieter last night and asked him to pull the themes feed until it can become compatible. Sep 29 23:28:55 dBsooner: now i have what? Sep 29 23:28:56 i have installed the optware package Sep 29 23:29:01 does anyone have any suggestions? Sep 29 23:29:20 branded: optware = not cool.. preware = cool Sep 29 23:29:23 dBsooner: yeah, gotta be a better way to manage them Sep 29 23:29:30 branded: that means you need the package manager service... Sep 29 23:29:31 i'm going to think about it Sep 29 23:29:34 opie_: yeah, sed replacements and patches Sep 29 23:29:50 i get that error when attempting to run "/usr/bin/ipkg -o /var install org.webosinternals.ipkgservice" Sep 29 23:30:02 opie_: we are just waiting on Jason to get in contact with us Sep 29 23:30:06 yeah Sep 29 23:30:07 branded Sep 29 23:30:08 or to make up his mind Sep 29 23:30:10 branded: then you dont have the feed right Sep 29 23:30:40 PuffTheMagic: "well now you have" goes to lmorchard's comment of not hearing the term "donkey punch" in relation to code... Sep 29 23:31:06 oil: thanks let me take a look back again... i ran the optware install script, and iddn't modify anything Sep 29 23:31:29 vkb v0.4.2 fixes photo app image problem Sep 29 23:31:48 ok, i had this last night check the /var/etc/ipkg/ path for the conf files Sep 29 23:31:56 egaudet: we need to fix somethign with autopatch that is INCREDIBLY annoying Sep 29 23:32:08 oil: where is the feed set? Sep 29 23:32:14 branded: see my message Sep 29 23:32:15 annoying? never Sep 29 23:32:19 lol Sep 29 23:32:22 im tryin to run this in terminal and its not working wget -qO- Sep 29 23:32:38 How all patches incriment build #'s when you bup it Sep 29 23:32:41 bump* Sep 29 23:32:49 so Preware thinks any patch you have installed needs to be updated Sep 29 23:32:57 and the onlky way to "update" is to remove it then install it. Sep 29 23:33:06 when you have 10 patches installed or more.. it's annoying. Sep 29 23:33:07 dBsooner, that's what happens during testing :P Sep 29 23:33:22 * dBsooner is annoyed with egaudet's answer. Sep 29 23:33:26 an "update" is really just an install over the top Sep 29 23:33:26 lol Sep 29 23:33:36 oil: not when it comes to patches Sep 29 23:33:39 you have to "remove" Sep 29 23:33:41 then "intall" Sep 29 23:33:43 i know that Sep 29 23:33:46 thats why update was disabled Sep 29 23:33:52 dBsooner: thats not what i isdad Sep 29 23:33:54 for lack of knowledge as to what would happen Sep 29 23:33:54 i know what it is Sep 29 23:33:58 i just dont know the detials Sep 29 23:34:00 eventually the patches in the modifications repo will be all stable Sep 29 23:34:01 the patch would try to install and fail because the file is different? Sep 29 23:34:05 im tryin to run this in terminal and its not working wget -qO- Sep 29 23:34:19 I don't have a solution yet for you dBsooner Sep 29 23:34:25 oil: I know. Sep 29 23:34:37 any thoughts? Sep 29 23:34:43 dBsooner, actually I do have an idea Sep 29 23:34:58 oil: I am just saying that anytime the autopatch feed bump's version #'s, ALL patches you have installed get tagged as needing to be "updated" Sep 29 23:35:00 I'll fix it Sep 29 23:35:13 and the onyl way to get them off that "updated" page is "remove" then "add" Sep 29 23:35:16 can you tag files in git? Sep 29 23:35:23 PuffTheMagic Sep 29 23:35:39 DBsooner: we know that Sep 29 23:35:50 thats how its programmed to work Sep 29 23:35:51 oil: aye.. I was just saying it was annoying. Sep 29 23:35:54 i dont understand why you dont get it Sep 29 23:35:59 dBsooner, similar to EPR I could create a "update all patch" package Sep 29 23:36:07 woot Sep 29 23:36:16 Oil: I do get it. Sep 29 23:36:22 oil: it's just annoying. Sep 29 23:36:26 * egaudet is starting to get out of hand with turning scripts into packages Sep 29 23:36:31 I understand completely why you can't update them Sep 29 23:36:43 I just wish it WOULDN"T mark EVERY patch as needing to be updated. Sep 29 23:37:00 forget my "update all" idea Sep 29 23:37:01 In other words, have each patch contain it's own version # Sep 29 23:37:04 that doesn't belong in a postinst Sep 29 23:37:21 but yea I can fix that right now Sep 29 23:37:23 each patch contains its own version number because each patch is its own package Sep 29 23:37:37 negative Sep 29 23:37:43 each patch has the same version # Sep 29 23:38:03 oil, yea right now the whole modifications git is tagged so when the version bumps all patches get rebuilt with a verison bump and appear as needing updates Sep 29 23:38:04 each patch is a seperate package Sep 29 23:38:23 simply because they're built from the same code doesn't mean preware treats them differently Sep 29 23:38:29 oil, right now each patch gets their version # bumped.. so all patches have the same version # Sep 29 23:38:34 if the version number goes up, it thinks there is an update Sep 29 23:38:41 I KNOW! Sep 29 23:38:50 ok stop saying the same things you two Sep 29 23:38:55 Sheesh. Egaudet understands what I am saying. Sep 29 23:38:55 then why do you keep pointing out the obvious? Sep 29 23:38:56 it's MY problem, I'll fix it Sep 29 23:39:11 a;lkjasdl;fkjasdl;kfj Sep 29 23:39:18 that's my frustration Sep 29 23:41:23 wtf....9196 emails in my inbox and only 945 will sync up with the pre Sep 29 23:41:35 make a patch Sep 29 23:41:54 me? Sep 29 23:41:58 what woudl this patch do? Sep 29 23:41:58 :P Sep 29 23:43:23 they seriously need a public bug tracker Sep 29 23:43:39 they do Sep 29 23:43:46 they habve a private one Sep 29 23:43:48 i know of that Sep 29 23:43:54 what Sep 29 23:44:00 who? Sep 29 23:44:01 you mean they dont just use post-it notes? Sep 29 23:44:06 lol Sep 29 23:44:09 ? Sep 29 23:44:21 i should hope they have a bug tracker Sep 29 23:44:30 they have private one Sep 29 23:44:34 who? Sep 29 23:44:36 lol Sep 29 23:44:40 palm Sep 29 23:44:52 ahh Sep 29 23:44:59 like how to i tell them their mail app sucks and that "All" seems to not download anytnhing Sep 29 23:45:11 yoiu know what kind of ugly mess a public bug tracker would cause for palm? Sep 29 23:45:18 do you really need all 9000 emails? Sep 29 23:45:31 * dBsooner agrees with oil. Sep 29 23:45:40 that's alot of down flicks Sep 29 23:45:44 oil: its principle Sep 29 23:45:47 you mean up flicks Sep 29 23:45:57 oil: sometimes i need to go back and search for shit Sep 29 23:46:19 while on the go? Sep 29 23:46:23 oil, aye.. up flicks Sep 29 23:46:38 i usually only do simple reading/replying from the pre Sep 29 23:46:45 if im going to be replying to a lot of mail, or search for something Sep 29 23:46:47 ill use a desktop Sep 29 23:46:50 maybe thats just me Sep 29 23:47:00 I HIGHLY doubt palm was thinking, "Gee... we need to make sure the email app can handle, 10,000 email's at one time. I am sure everyone will need that feature." Sep 29 23:47:18 yeah, I use EAS and only send 1 week. Sep 29 23:47:35 dBsooner: a mail app should handle app mail, period Sep 29 23:47:35 and main folder only. Other folders I set them to "update only when forced." Sep 29 23:47:44 who the fuck makes a mail program that only works with 900 messages Sep 29 23:47:48 besides palm Sep 29 23:48:01 lol Sep 29 23:48:02 Most mobile devices? Sep 29 23:48:08 the company that brought you the phone with the 60 app limit Sep 29 23:48:11 its IMAP Sep 29 23:48:12 puff will never be happy though Sep 29 23:48:15 it should pull in all headers Sep 29 23:48:16 aw Sep 29 23:48:43 The day I see Puff HAPPY about something and not COMPLAIN about Any piece of it.. I will probably die. Sep 29 23:49:05 dBsooner: i spent what 250 on this POS, it should not be so halfassed Sep 29 23:49:21 its a smartphone that takes the special bus Sep 29 23:49:21 lol Sep 29 23:49:23 go buy a WinMO devices Sep 29 23:49:34 spend twice as much for something that locks up nonstop Sep 29 23:49:50 i bet an iphone gets all their mail Sep 29 23:50:08 but until friday, the iphone didn't even know how to MMS Sep 29 23:50:16 lol Sep 29 23:51:12 it would probably take so long to search through 9000 messages on the pre Sep 29 23:51:40 * dBsooner thinks of the prethink wheel Sep 29 23:51:59 I think there should be an If in the Mail app. Sep 29 23:52:04 In fact, I am going to make a patch Sep 29 23:53:35 "If ($totalnumofmessages >= 5000 && $command == search) { echo "WTF Are you Thinking?? WHo really needs to search through 5000+ emails on a mobile device. Who are you? PuffTheMagic?"; die; } Sep 29 23:53:37 oil: 9000 is just in my inbox Sep 29 23:53:43 oil: thats not even counting my LKML folder Sep 29 23:53:50 im just saying Sep 29 23:53:58 i have 40k unread in my LKML folder Sep 29 23:54:00 :D Sep 29 23:54:01 that little device is going to take a while to search through all that Sep 29 23:54:13 even if it did load them all Sep 29 23:54:17 oil: well it cant even search if its not there in the first place Sep 29 23:54:31 oil: im pretty sure the pre can handle searching Sep 29 23:54:32 so they've saved you from having a bad user experience Sep 29 23:54:35 gotta close this window Sep 29 23:54:36 weird, somehow I got the virtual keyboard to pop up without being in a text field Sep 29 23:54:37 I'll be back Sep 29 23:54:48 oil: they are enhancing my bad user experience Sep 29 23:55:04 maybe you should make your own mail app Sep 29 23:55:10 okay, double werid. Now it's coming up every time I open the launcher. Sep 29 23:56:17 So if you open the launcher, double tap the gesture area, close it again, and then re-open the launcher, you'll see the vkb. Sep 29 23:56:21 egaudet: see above. :p Sep 29 23:57:50 tlp, the launcher is an application Sep 29 23:57:55 the keyboard is attached to the scene Sep 29 23:58:05 the app launcher doesn't get closed, it gets hidden Sep 29 23:58:15 when you bring it up it "shows" and the keyboard is there Sep 29 23:58:18 ah Sep 29 23:58:30 butttt....... how the heck did you bring it up in the launcher Sep 29 23:58:46 just follow those steps above Sep 29 23:58:51 open launcher, double tap, close launcher, open it again Sep 29 23:59:13 wow that's weird Sep 29 23:59:31 but it works with global search! :D Sep 29 23:59:42 lol Sep 29 23:59:49 so now we have a way of doing that without using the physical keyboard Sep 29 23:59:51 well double tap with the app launcher up brings up keyboard Sep 29 23:59:56 dont need to close app laucnher Sep 30 00:00:03 really? Sep 30 00:00:05 I have to close it to get it to show up Sep 30 00:00:17 just have to wait 2 seconds Sep 30 00:00:21 ah Sep 30 00:00:22 takes some time to render all the kb images Sep 30 00:00:42 well then wtf Sep 30 00:00:51 did palm make the app launcher "edittable text" Sep 30 00:01:30 hmmmm Sep 30 00:05:45 we need a Latex editor for the pre :D Sep 30 00:05:59 that would kick ass Sep 30 00:06:43 palm cast is starting yay Sep 30 00:12:44 :) Palm fixed a "virtual keyboard bug" inadvertently Sep 30 00:13:18 i thought the keyboard didn't work on 1.2 Sep 30 00:13:24 egaudet, form input in browser? Sep 30 00:13:37 psykoz, I wish Sep 30 00:13:41 poo ;( Sep 30 00:13:55 vkb can be used for global search (can be brought up in app launcher) Sep 30 00:14:08 ooh, nice Sep 30 00:14:17 just double tap while launcher is up? Sep 30 00:14:22 yea Sep 30 00:14:27 that's hot Sep 30 00:14:28 ;) Sep 30 00:14:42 yea thanks Palm :D Sep 30 00:14:47 maybe someone at Palm liked vkb *grins* Sep 30 00:15:09 :P Sep 30 00:16:57 can you paste text into the app launcher? Sep 30 00:18:03 that might be why they did it Sep 30 00:18:59 anyone try the "Bypassing Lock Screen" on 1.2? the line # doesnt seam correct anymore Sep 30 00:19:27 root@castle:/# /usr/bin/ipkg -o /var install org.webosinternals.ipkgservice Sep 30 00:19:30 An error ocurred, return value: 4. Sep 30 00:19:32 Collected errors: Sep 30 00:19:35 Cannot find package org.webosinternals.ipkgservice. Sep 30 00:19:41 you can paste text into app launcher Sep 30 00:19:44 Now what the hell am I doing wrong here :/ Sep 30 00:23:01 well Sep 30 00:23:10 if you don't have the webos internal feed setup anywhere Sep 30 00:23:17 then it isn't going to find that package Sep 30 00:23:27 do you have anything in /var/etc/ipkg ? Sep 30 00:24:19 LNope Sep 30 00:25:28 I do have ipkg install Sep 30 00:30:03 * thatdude should take a break Sep 30 00:30:04 thatdude: just wget the ipkgservice ipk and prewre ipk onto your pre Sep 30 00:30:07 and then install them directly Sep 30 00:30:12 thats the easiest way Sep 30 00:30:13 imo Sep 30 00:30:26 ipkg -o /var install Sep 30 00:30:36 +PuffTheMagic: Yeah dude I just had my noob moment. Sep 30 00:31:16 psykoz: thanks for the heads up. Sep 30 00:32:33 In the email app, does "check mail as items arrive" mean that it polls every minute? Sep 30 00:33:08 should be using imap idle which is an always on connection Sep 30 00:33:21 if anyone is interested http://tlhsecurity.blogspot.com/2009/09/palm-pre-webos-11-remote-file-access.html Sep 30 00:39:37 wow, two notifications for every email Sep 30 00:41:34 * oil stays away from any email with "all your base" as the subject Sep 30 00:43:11 LOL Sep 30 00:43:20 funny Sep 30 00:43:25 lol Sep 30 00:43:30 like the vid? Sep 30 00:43:52 yeah Sep 30 00:44:00 a little scary =p Sep 30 00:44:31 it is Sep 30 00:44:33 there are some binary limitations....overall not a bad find Sep 30 00:44:54 what can i do with the SDK Sep 30 00:45:10 i mean, its fun playing with the OS Sep 30 00:45:40 SDK==Software Development Kit, make applications... Sep 30 00:46:57 the emulator is for quickly testing your app Sep 30 00:48:07 there goes my idle time >_< Sep 30 00:48:38 ;) Sep 30 00:48:41 you should try #idlerpg sometime Sep 30 00:49:06 What's that channel about? Sep 30 00:49:16 I dunno if they have one on this network Sep 30 00:49:19 you idle Sep 30 00:49:22 but it's an RPG, and you level by idling Sep 30 00:49:29 hahaha Sep 30 00:49:30 the more you idle, the higher level you get ;) Sep 30 00:49:31 I like that Sep 30 00:49:35 its super pointless Sep 30 00:49:52 sweet! oil: it's a cool thing Sep 30 00:50:03 It also auto generates events like you'll challenge someone, etc Sep 30 00:50:05 i should go in there and register and try to start up a conversation with those idling Sep 30 00:50:09 and if you win, you usually take some of there gear ;) Sep 30 00:50:19 their* gear Sep 30 00:50:29 psykoz: that's awesome, true irc rpg game Sep 30 00:50:34 nod Sep 30 00:50:40 lol Sep 30 00:50:41 fun times can be had in a game of idlerpg ;) Sep 30 00:50:58 quick pace? Sep 30 00:51:15 psykoz: Here we go, level 1 . Need to get start farming for armors and weapons Sep 30 00:51:30 better adjust your framerate Sep 30 00:52:03 hmagoo: ha! Sep 30 00:52:35 enable vertical sync Sep 30 00:53:08 already did that! Sep 30 00:54:05 Anyone created a patch for the LED Notifications? Sep 30 00:54:07 so swipe every email notification twice, does this mean palm will be updating again soon? Sep 30 00:54:14 thatdude, in autopatch, yes Sep 30 00:54:25 Nice! Sep 30 00:54:35 hmagoo, I hope so Sep 30 00:54:43 been annoying me ;) Sep 30 00:54:51 When we going to start making webos shirts? Sep 30 00:55:13 hmagoo: a bug? Sep 30 00:55:20 yeah dude Sep 30 00:55:22 hmagoo: You know what, don't tell me. Sep 30 00:55:32 hmagoo: I will be like wtf! Sep 30 00:57:21 well, ready for an update, don't think I manually edited anything yet Sep 30 00:57:49 psykoz: Which folder? Sep 30 00:58:15 thatdude, there's a folder called "All" that shows everything and you can probably just type LED (in preware, if that's what you're referencing) Sep 30 00:58:16 all Sep 30 00:58:32 I am not even using Preware. Sep 30 00:58:33 dBsooner, ping Sep 30 00:58:41 I am doing the caveman way Sep 30 00:58:54 sup egaudet Sep 30 00:59:03 I am in the palmcast live Sep 30 00:59:12 fixed annoying version thing I hope Sep 30 00:59:17 WEEE Sep 30 00:59:24 I am going to update that 4x4 patch Sep 30 00:59:26 v0.1.17 of ONLY led-notification patch should be built within 15 Sep 30 00:59:28 unless Puff pushed Sep 30 00:59:36 PuffTheMagic? Sep 30 00:59:45 psykoz: The only patch they had working was the keyboard, now all of them can be seen now? Sep 30 01:00:01 egaudet: i didnt say anything Sep 30 01:00:26 they do a thing called autopatch which generates a patch package based on the diffs now, so yes you can access almost all the same patches that were available via git through preware (in a different fashion) Sep 30 01:00:40 psykoz: that made no sense Sep 30 01:00:41 PuffTheMagic: did you push the 4x4 patch? Sep 30 01:00:45 a diff == patch Sep 30 01:00:59 PuffTheMagic: hush Sep 30 01:01:02 dBsooner: no i said i wasnt gonna do that Sep 30 01:01:06 x out patch and it makes sense "package base don the diffs" Sep 30 01:01:10 so give it to me Sep 30 01:01:10 PuffTheMagic: can we hook the dimensions up to the db and write an app to set sizes? Sep 30 01:01:11 but im done tweaking it Sep 30 01:01:12 thatdude, screen and lock folder? Sep 30 01:01:27 or to egaudet prefereably Sep 30 01:01:42 hmagoo: ? Sep 30 01:02:05 led patch Sep 30 01:02:49 Preware keeps complaining the Package Manager Service is not running >_ Sep 30 01:03:24 then start it Sep 30 01:03:30 thatdude: did u run the postinst? Sep 30 01:03:31 old version? Sep 30 01:03:49 +PuffTheMagic: Yes Sep 30 01:03:59 PuffTheMagic: dBsooner@vision5.com Sep 30 01:04:07 or can you pastebin it? Sep 30 01:04:14 dBsooner: im gonna pastebin it after i remove the add page shit Sep 30 01:04:24 What? Sep 30 01:04:27 I can do that myself Sep 30 01:04:28 lol Sep 30 01:04:32 I thought you had it done already? Sep 30 01:04:40 PuffTheMagic, just push it!! you anti-patch patcher! Sep 30 01:05:10 egaudet: im anti making patches easy for people Sep 30 01:05:21 lol Sep 30 01:05:58 I just ran postinst Sep 30 01:06:04 and will reboot Sep 30 01:08:18 PuffTheMagic, ok but why are you anti giving a patch period Sep 30 01:08:28 the gitorious repo has nothing to do with autopatch Sep 30 01:08:38 and is used by everyone command line who knows what they are doing Sep 30 01:08:52 dBsooner, don't call them Tweaks! Sep 30 01:09:17 Alright Preware is playing nice now :D Sep 30 01:09:26 sorry Sep 30 01:09:29 I fixed it Sep 30 01:09:32 PATCHES Sep 30 01:09:48 egaudet: i dont have it cloned... http://dpaste.com/100142/ Sep 30 01:09:52 but there is is Sep 30 01:09:59 rooted tweaks will brick your phone? hehe Sep 30 01:10:03 such weird principals Sep 30 01:10:09 oops Sep 30 01:10:09 shit Sep 30 01:10:11 its not done Sep 30 01:10:12 cloning takes so much time PuffTheMagic! lol Sep 30 01:10:13 forgot something Sep 30 01:10:22 one sec Sep 30 01:11:08 http://dpaste.com/100143/ Sep 30 01:11:10 ^^ that one is clean Sep 30 01:11:17 egaudet: do you have a 1.2 repo setup yet? Sep 30 01:11:25 Who was the one telling me I can patch using Preware. The only patch I see is the keyboard patch. Sep 30 01:11:49 thatdude, hah Sep 30 01:11:59 thatdude: you have to add the autopatch feed Sep 30 01:12:12 hmagoo: fck I do that Sep 30 01:12:46 4x4 is how the pre should have come Sep 30 01:12:54 dBsooner, what do you mean a 1.2 userland repo? Sep 30 01:13:01 yes Sep 30 01:13:08 not yet Sep 30 01:13:10 but it will be easy Sep 30 01:13:28 I know.. I jsut want to be able to clone it so I can start creating more tweaks Sep 30 01:13:30 4x4 is how the PuffTheMagic should have pushed a patch :P I'll go do it Sep 30 01:13:47 dBsooner, does the add-remove pages patch work? Sep 30 01:13:54 yes Sep 30 01:13:59 dBsooner, you can't clone my userland Sep 30 01:14:01 its 4x4 and Sep 30 01:14:02 I can't host it anywhere Sep 30 01:14:12 so will you umm.. "email" it to me? Sep 30 01:14:22 you get the doctor, you extract it, you git init and commit the files Sep 30 01:14:23 I'll give youa n ftp to my home desktop. :D Sep 30 01:14:35 it's in the doctor, i don't need to email it to you Sep 30 01:15:01 egaudet: that 4x4 patch on the git now is 4x4 AND add/remove launch pages Sep 30 01:15:13 dBsooner: How do I add the autopatch feed? Sep 30 01:15:25 login to terminal Sep 30 01:15:28 dBsooner: does it wrap the text Sep 30 01:15:31 what's the status of the messaging tweak? i've seen a lot of issues on the precentral thread. Sep 30 01:15:40 dBsooner: I can continue doing it command base, beats me. Sep 30 01:15:43 hmagoo: sure Sep 30 01:16:02 thatdude: login to terminal and create an autopatch.conf in /var/etc/ipkg/ Sep 30 01:16:21 there are multiple patches to the messaging app Sep 30 01:16:47 has anybody on here gotten Greg's messaging plugins to work? I installed manually from the root terminal, and they still don't show up for me. Sep 30 01:17:31 how do i install from webosquickinstall to emulator? Sep 30 01:17:51 options, emulator? Sep 30 01:17:58 VeeDubb65-Steve: can you PM me? Sep 30 01:17:59 its in the options? Sep 30 01:18:06 who would put it there? Sep 30 01:18:12 makes no sense Sep 30 01:18:46 greg_roll sure, but let me log out of this useless webchat and install a proper IRC client. give me 5 minutes. Sep 30 01:18:59 lol Sep 30 01:19:43 phiq: file->options Sep 30 01:20:03 pushed 4x4 into gitorious and autopatch Sep 30 01:20:04 thanks Puff Sep 30 01:20:08 going to watch entourage, bbs Sep 30 01:20:19 sons of anarchy tonight Sep 30 01:20:49 NCIS's tonight Sep 30 01:21:03 si, recording them too Sep 30 01:21:25 thx ppl Sep 30 01:21:34 np Sep 30 01:24:29 you patch makers need to make cleaner patches Sep 30 01:24:38 stop adding whitespace when its not needed Sep 30 01:25:57 dBsooner: So what is the link for the feed for the autopatch.conf I created? Sep 30 01:26:10 sorry Sep 30 01:26:53 phiq: http://xkcd.com/627/ Sep 30 01:27:14 oil: old! Sep 30 01:27:21 yet so relevant Sep 30 01:27:32 dBsooner: sorry? Sep 30 01:27:41 I forgot to paste it Sep 30 01:27:42 one sec Sep 30 01:28:28 oil: u have that bookmarked so u can pull it up on demand? Sep 30 01:28:38 no i had to google for it Sep 30 01:28:49 src/gz all http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/autopatch/all Sep 30 01:28:56 whats the best way to sync itunes to the pre? Sep 30 01:29:12 dBsooner: thanks Sep 30 01:29:21 :/ itunes Sep 30 01:29:31 how do we interpret gesture area in emulator? Sep 30 01:29:34 banshee Sep 30 01:29:38 idk why people dont use usenet/torrent Sep 30 01:29:38 phiq: you dont Sep 30 01:30:50 how can i go back? Sep 30 01:31:10 phiq: http://tinyurl.com/yh7bwtv Sep 30 01:31:56 thx Sep 30 01:39:49 Nano is pissin me off Sep 30 01:40:19 Keeps asking me to append or create a Dos/Mac format and I can't save. Sep 30 01:40:32 I need help if anyone can send me the two modified files for the Blink Notifications? Sep 30 01:41:24 I need help if anyone can send me the two modified files for the Blink Notifications? Sep 30 01:42:15 I need help if anyone can send me the two modified files for the Blink Notifications? Sep 30 01:43:11 What's the definition of insanity? Sep 30 01:43:23 Doing the exact same thing twice, expecting different results. Sep 30 01:43:43 I need help if anyone can send me the two modified files for the Blink Notifications? Sep 30 01:44:00 storino03, we can't share those files here, the code they contain is copyrighted by palm Sep 30 01:44:13 you will either have to manually edit your own, or install preware w/ autopatch Sep 30 01:44:14 okay, then the original files Sep 30 01:44:21 we can't distribute the original files either Sep 30 01:44:28 again they contain copyrighted code from Palm Sep 30 01:44:31 i asked before and got them Sep 30 01:44:36 ugh Sep 30 01:44:43 Well quit asking Sep 30 01:44:48 and putting people in legal jeopardy Sep 30 01:45:01 actually, they would be put in legal jeopardy Sep 30 01:45:04 anyway Sep 30 01:45:19 I believe that is what I said Sep 30 01:45:31 when i went to edit the files, I did it correctly, but notepad++ keeps erasing several hundred of the lines and only leaves me with a shortened version of the files Sep 30 01:45:55 anyone know why Sep 30 01:46:43 sup Sep 30 01:47:10 ? Sep 30 01:47:17 jumped in late, what are you editing in notepad? Sep 30 01:47:53 i hope the LED driver chip does the blinking itself and the blink patch doesn't force the phone to be awake all the time Sep 30 01:48:34 the blink patch doesn't force anything, it exposes palms method for enabling the led notifications Sep 30 01:48:38 when i went to edit the files, I did it correctly, but notepad++ keeps erasing several hundred of the lines and only leaves me with a shortened version of the files Sep 30 01:48:41 anyone know why Sep 30 01:49:10 today my battery life was not noticeably different with blink notifications enabled, infact it probably fared better since I wasn't having to turn my screen on and off numerous times throughout the day to see if I missed something Sep 30 01:49:38 hmm cool Sep 30 01:49:54 yah i was just wondering if palm commented it out because it caused wakeup problems or something Sep 30 01:50:04 i have no use for it because i get so much mail it woul djust always be on Sep 30 01:50:18 i wish i could turn off mail indications entirely, but you apparently can't Sep 30 01:50:33 anyone have the original files? I can't access my pre to get the edited files off my device when using the quick install method anymore. Sep 30 01:50:52 it keeps saying device not found Sep 30 01:51:02 and I tried restarting the phone and my laptop. never did that before. Sep 30 01:52:17 egaudet: did you push that patch from PuffTheMagic? Sep 30 01:52:18 Please re-read the subject line, as well as the warnings to your earlier requests for copyrighted materials. Sep 30 01:52:51 yea Sep 30 01:53:23 cool Sep 30 01:53:34 what about a "New page in luancher"? Sep 30 01:54:25 dBsooner, already have that Sep 30 01:54:27 wth Sep 30 01:54:43 Does it work on 1.2? Sep 30 01:54:45 category App Launcher Sep 30 01:54:45 hmagoo: ? Sep 30 01:54:46 yes Sep 30 01:54:55 storino03 Sep 30 01:54:55 make one Sep 30 01:55:00 egaudet: so you just deleted my 4x4 one? Sep 30 01:55:01 its uncommenting 2 things Sep 30 01:55:02 actually Sep 30 01:55:04 i can do it in a min Sep 30 01:55:08 dBsooner, yea? Sep 30 01:55:09 overwrote Sep 30 01:55:12 k Sep 30 01:55:13 no? Sep 30 01:55:13 good Sep 30 01:55:14 thanks Sep 30 01:55:32 exit Sep 30 01:55:35 quit Sep 30 01:55:39 PuffTheMagic, it's already done Sep 30 01:55:40 haha this isnt terminal sad Sep 30 01:55:47 the 1.1 patch works with 1.2 albeit with fuzz Sep 30 01:56:01 http://totallypalmed.blogspot.com/2009/09/totally-palmed-interview-does.html Sep 30 01:56:03 egaudet: is it clean Sep 30 01:56:08 how doyou know if it has fuzz? Sep 30 01:56:13 dBsooner, ipkg log Sep 30 01:56:16 the ipkg won't spit out? Sep 30 01:56:29 how do you view the log if "patch apply" was a success? Sep 30 01:56:32 PuffTheMagic, I haven't looked at any of the patches but the ones I created Sep 30 01:56:51 same way as if it was a fail? Sep 30 01:56:54 egaudet: I am going to add -- to those that have fuzz Sep 30 01:57:09 ~~ Sep 30 01:57:10 hmm... ~ is the key Sep 30 01:57:13 ~~ Sep 30 01:57:25 k Sep 30 01:57:42 :D i just learned how to drift in NFS: Shift Sep 30 01:57:46 im just suggesting Sep 30 01:57:52 I think that's better Sep 30 01:57:55 egaudet: fuz dont matter Sep 30 01:57:59 I know it doesn't Sep 30 01:58:02 if it applies it applies Sep 30 01:58:04 ok....I generally sit back and read, and I follow a good bit of this, but I have to ask. Whats fuzz? Sep 30 01:58:04 i know Sep 30 01:58:15 But it's still nice to have it completely clean. :D Sep 30 01:58:25 Ron0001, when a patch doesn't match the exact line number, it's a little fuzzy Sep 30 01:58:30 fuz dont mean its not clean Sep 30 01:58:44 if i create 3 patches that each touch 1 file Sep 30 01:58:48 I know. if it weren't clean, it wouldn't isntall. Sep 30 01:58:49 PuffTheMagic, I'd much rather no fuzz patches though Sep 30 01:58:55 IF possible Sep 30 01:58:58 will it quit, or make the match? Sep 30 01:59:04 actually no i dont really care nm Sep 30 01:59:06 well, if it gets fuzzier from other mods it might not apply, but starting without fuzz is better, right? Sep 30 01:59:10 i never said the fuzz made them unclean Sep 30 01:59:13 off topic, but does anyone know if the weatherman app is a widget running in the background or if it's actually just an image with the current temp/etc being automated and refreshed through the web, or something Sep 30 01:59:27 fine, I won't look for fuzz ones Sep 30 01:59:29 if i create 3 patches that each touch 1 file, and each patch is based on a clean version of the origional file, after applying patch1, patch 2 and 3 might have fuzz Sep 30 01:59:32 thats just how patches work Sep 30 01:59:33 but earlier you told people to make "clean" patches by not putting unncessary space Sep 30 01:59:50 egaudet: yeah... excluding usless whitespace has nothign to do with fuzz Sep 30 01:59:52 so i have no idea what's clean or not in the repo, except the ones i generated Sep 30 01:59:58 i know Sep 30 02:00:12 i mentioned the fuzz as a side point to dBsooner when he asked if the add-delete patch worked in 1.2 Sep 30 02:00:21 Is there a way with ipkg-opt to install an older version of what they have? Sep 30 02:00:48 nope Sep 30 02:00:53 ipkg dont support "old" anything Sep 30 02:00:56 only "latest" Sep 30 02:01:01 ahh, so it made the edits, but not by line number, but by matching the text above and below? Sep 30 02:01:09 PuffTheMagic: nano sucks ass Sep 30 02:01:24 restarting luna to test puff's patch Sep 30 02:01:48 thatdude: u suck ass Sep 30 02:02:08 oil, will you PLEASE add a restartluna option in Preware's options. :) Please? Sep 30 02:02:08 vi ftw Sep 30 02:02:10 Transmission is really amazingly efficient. Sep 30 02:02:17 vi is THE way to go Sep 30 02:02:19 psykoz, thank you! a fellow vi lover :D Sep 30 02:02:20 PuffTheMagic: Spare me Sep 30 02:02:26 egaudet, omg i'm in heaven! Sep 30 02:02:30 dBsooner, you have lunamanager Sep 30 02:02:35 no need for it in preware Sep 30 02:02:56 I don't know how any codes without vi Sep 30 02:03:02 nano Sep 30 02:03:03 :D Sep 30 02:03:10 must take forever :P Sep 30 02:03:18 nope, vi takes forever Sep 30 02:03:26 PuffTheMagic, very nice Sep 30 02:03:27 :D Sep 30 02:03:46 (re: 4x4) Sep 30 02:04:12 VKB, will be in patches and will restart luna, the others need luna restart as well, so shouldn't VKB patch not restart luna? Sep 30 02:04:18 preware Sep 30 02:04:27 woqi, ipks Sep 30 02:04:28 hmagoo: Aye, I agree. Sep 30 02:04:30 PuffTheMagic: can we make a X by Y mod? Sep 30 02:04:36 hmagoo, they will when autopatch is out of testing Sep 30 02:04:39 hmagoo: or move VKB out of patches Sep 30 02:04:43 <3 vi Sep 30 02:04:45 oh, ok Sep 30 02:04:45 opie_: doubt it Sep 30 02:04:47 and I think preware will have an option to "restart later" Sep 30 02:04:50 NOoo.. I don't want it to restart after EVERY PATCH Sep 30 02:04:50 opie_: too much static shit in there Sep 30 02:04:54 oic Sep 30 02:05:02 yeah, me neither, but whatever Sep 30 02:05:09 dBsooner, that's why it's not in there until we can ignore the restart Sep 30 02:05:09 is there a lot of absolute styling? Sep 30 02:05:18 I feel a bit silly using vi from my phone, but it's fun. Sep 30 02:05:19 poopy Sep 30 02:05:30 vim++ Sep 30 02:05:34 and VKB will not be moved out of Patch CATEGORY Sep 30 02:05:36 it's a patch Sep 30 02:05:40 I feel a bit silly using any editor in a linux shell on my phone Sep 30 02:05:41 ashi__colo: at least you arent trying to use emacs... Sep 30 02:05:47 lol Sep 30 02:05:51 Actually.. I feel silly using a linux shell on my phone Sep 30 02:06:00 * zsoc does not feel silly using vi on his phone, feels supa 1337 Sep 30 02:06:16 :) Sep 30 02:06:19 considering i dont think they added meta yet to the terminal, so, you loose half the functionality Sep 30 02:06:22 vim++ Sep 30 02:06:38 i love vim and vimperator which makes firefox awesome again Sep 30 02:06:48 vimperator = evil Sep 30 02:07:12 egaudet: you dont like vimperator? you're like ther first person who i know that hates it Sep 30 02:07:16 what is up when an update shows up for a couple of days ago in preware? Is that because the developer left the date, not the date he uploaded it? Sep 30 02:07:21 wow... Sep 30 02:07:27 I installed it on my sister's laptop once Sep 30 02:07:28 egaudet: how did you fix the annoyance? Sep 30 02:07:34 and then I could never remove it Sep 30 02:07:41 bump each independently/ Sep 30 02:07:43 egaudet: why not? Sep 30 02:07:44 I screwed something up somehwere, but i had to uninstall/resintall firefox to get rid of it Sep 30 02:08:09 and I only don't like it because I spend the vast majority of web browsing with the mouse scroll Sep 30 02:08:09 What's the diff in the LED Notifications patch? Sep 30 02:08:27 egaudet: you should give it another chance, 2.1 and soon to be 2.2 have lots of fixes. including a small patch from yours truly :) Sep 30 02:08:31 dBsooner, I added the VERSION number to each individual package's makefile rather than the common one Sep 30 02:08:37 egaudet: good call Sep 30 02:08:50 so if 5 patches get updated in gitorioius, you tag gitorious with next rev then change the 5 patches revs and those 5 only ge trebuilt Sep 30 02:08:53 egaudet: which is what OIL's side of the earlier "nuh uh" argument was Sep 30 02:09:33 egaudet: I am new to building a repo/feed with git.. would you mind walking me through it? I have the 1.2 extracted. Sep 30 02:09:46 dBsooner, what "nuh uh" argument Sep 30 02:09:57 the one where oil and I went back and forth Sep 30 02:10:10 about Me being annoyed and him saying that's the way it's supposed to be Sep 30 02:10:11 dBsooner, what do you want to do with the repo/feed git what repo? Sep 30 02:10:26 I want to build my own 1.2 Sep 30 02:10:47 oh yeah, from oil's point of view nothing was wrong, it was mine because when i first started making them all into ipk i didn't want to add VERSION to each one Sep 30 02:11:00 your own 1.2 what Sep 30 02:11:03 nm Sep 30 02:11:09 I'll just keep a folder of stock 1.2 Sep 30 02:11:16 git is just source control Sep 30 02:11:32 extract the folder of the stock 1.2 wherever you want it Sep 30 02:11:39 then go into that folder and do Sep 30 02:11:40 git init Sep 30 02:11:43 git add . Sep 30 02:11:59 git commit -m "Initial stock 1.2.0" or whatever message you want Sep 30 02:11:59 can git do the diffs? Sep 30 02:12:04 and then git tag v1.2.0 Sep 30 02:12:35 egaudet: actually...... Sep 30 02:12:43 and then to create a patch, you can modify files in there and then do "git diff -b > my.patch" Sep 30 02:12:47 egaudet: if you want to know how I would use git here Sep 30 02:12:55 and then listen to PuffTheMagic because he knows infinitely more about git than me Sep 30 02:13:09 how would you get it back to stock? Sep 30 02:13:13 sigh... stop being geniuses :P Sep 30 02:13:17 but the last time PuffTheMagic suggested I create a branch for the keyboard, and then yesterday asked me why the hell I had a branch Sep 30 02:13:36 egaudet: i didnt really understand the context or goal of what you were doing Sep 30 02:13:41 do id dint know why u needed a branch Sep 30 02:13:45 After I made the changes and did the git diff, how would I get it back to stock? Sep 30 02:13:49 but what im gonna suggest does involve branches Sep 30 02:14:11 dBsooner, if you wanted to remove all the changes you made you could do Sep 30 02:14:14 git checkout -f v1.2.0 Sep 30 02:14:16 dBsooner: git reset --hard ; git checkout -f Sep 30 02:14:22 that will still leaev "NEW" files though Sep 30 02:14:31 so git clean -f -d will remove the new files Sep 30 02:14:33 egaudet: thats why I do a rm -rf * first Sep 30 02:14:38 before checkout -f Sep 30 02:14:40 or what PuffTheMagic said Sep 30 02:14:51 Why ever force rm? I never understood that. Sep 30 02:15:00 so it's best to create each patch from a clean 1.2.0, correct? Sep 30 02:15:02 zsoc, to shutup interactive questions Sep 30 02:15:14 dBsooner: yeah Sep 30 02:15:18 ok Sep 30 02:15:22 dBsooner: hold up Sep 30 02:15:27 no Sep 30 02:15:29 PuffTheMagic, so branch for each patch? Sep 30 02:15:44 egaudet: yes and no Sep 30 02:15:53 egaudet: branch for each "application" that is being modified Sep 30 02:16:04 egaudet, i guess the stuff i normally rm doesn't involve interactive questions, lol. doesn't -y denote force yes? Sep 30 02:16:06 i guess you could do it by patch Sep 30 02:16:08 BUT Sep 30 02:16:18 by patch would be easier to generate the patches Sep 30 02:16:47 what is -y? Sep 30 02:17:06 egaudet, er, nevermind, looks like it's an apt thing :) Sep 30 02:17:49 egaudet: so you start with a clean 1.2 and a clean git repo, add all of 1.2, commit and tag, then you do 'git checkout -b v1.2' Sep 30 02:17:54 that will create a new branch base don 1.2 Sep 30 02:17:56 make your changes Sep 30 02:17:58 commit then Sep 30 02:18:00 git checkout master Sep 30 02:18:03 to go back to mater Sep 30 02:18:10 then git merge Sep 30 02:18:15 to merge in those change to master Sep 30 02:18:35 -y is used with several applications, but not all. Not exclusive to apt. You can use the "yes" command before a command to replace the -y flag if it's not there. Sep 30 02:18:57 PuffTheMagic, that checkout creates new branch off of v1.2 tag named right? Sep 30 02:19:13 checkout -b, creates a new branch and checkes it out Sep 30 02:19:17 why would you want to merge changes to master? Sep 30 02:19:22 lol Sep 30 02:19:56 yeah Sep 30 02:19:56 egaudet: well i guess you specifically wouldnt since u use preware/autopatch Sep 30 02:19:58 but if not Sep 30 02:20:15 why create a patch in git then remove it only to use autopatch? Sep 30 02:20:15 i guess you would merge it back if you wanted to make a big master patch Sep 30 02:20:15 that dont make sense Sep 30 02:20:23 dBsooner: no... u run master Sep 30 02:20:29 im working on my pre Sep 30 02:20:36 not on the emu Sep 30 02:20:41 or in a chroot Sep 30 02:20:53 PuffTheMagic, I work on my local PC Sep 30 02:21:10 I don't have my Pre git controlled Sep 30 02:21:15 and I care about Aunt Minnie Sep 30 02:21:25 egaudet: this has nothing to do about aunt minnie Sep 30 02:21:33 this is git 101 Sep 30 02:21:35 if I didn't care about Aunt Minnie, I'd have pre userland in git, sshfs mounted, and do all changes on pre Sep 30 02:21:55 egaudet: u can do that, and still make aunt minnie patches Sep 30 02:22:01 But aunt minnie can't git control their pre etc.. so I want to make patches that Aunt Minnie can use Sep 30 02:22:03 I just want to create patches for the feed Sep 30 02:22:09 I don't care about "myself" per se Sep 30 02:22:21 egaudet: u can do your dev on the pre with git.... it has nothing to do with aunt minnie Sep 30 02:22:26 and it's easier to create multiple patches when each patch is based off 1.2 stock and not merge all aptches to master Sep 30 02:22:29 i dont get why u think it dpes Sep 30 02:22:36 egaudet: what? Sep 30 02:22:40 that is not true Sep 30 02:22:45 PuffTheMagic, because I dont want to have to always go and git checkout master to test applying the patches with preware Sep 30 02:23:01 egaudet: you arent making any sense Sep 30 02:23:13 explain how I am not Sep 30 02:23:56 * egaudet will probably doctor and git control my pre this weekend btw Sep 30 02:24:24 for the patches PuffTheMagic, i branch patch1 which touches luna Sep 30 02:24:24 make a patch Sep 30 02:24:34 then branch patch2 off of base and touch luna Sep 30 02:24:56 both are branches off base, and then i merge them to master so that the master contains ALL cumulative changes? Sep 30 02:25:14 but if 2 patches conflict (say 4x4 and 5x4 launcher patch) then they won't be able to merge Sep 30 02:25:15 yes, if you wanted to use all your patches with out using preware/autopatch Sep 30 02:25:30 egaudet: why would u merge both the 4x4 and 4x5 Sep 30 02:25:33 that is retarded Sep 30 02:25:36 if u do that you should be shot Sep 30 02:25:38 for being and idiot Sep 30 02:25:48 lol I know I wouldn't! Sep 30 02:25:48 that is a stupid example Sep 30 02:25:57 I'm just telling you for MY example on why i would not do that merging Sep 30 02:26:04 :/ Sep 30 02:26:10 obviouslly u woudlnt merge both of THOSE patches Sep 30 02:26:15 err Sep 30 02:26:15 because I would be creating a git tree for multiple (and possibly conflicting) patches Sep 30 02:26:16 branches Sep 30 02:26:29 the point of merging them is so that you can USE them Sep 30 02:26:31 so I don't want to know or care what patches conflict and what branches can't merge Sep 30 02:26:35 if u dont want to use it dont merge it Sep 30 02:26:48 i just want to be able to CREATE them and put them in gitorious and get them autobuilt into autopatch for Aunt Minnie Sep 30 02:26:57 because one time Aunt Minnie baked me some really nice brownies Sep 30 02:27:07 nova-cust-image-castle.rootfs.tar.gz is all i need for the 1.2 base code right? Sep 30 02:27:29 now PuffTheMagic what is the best way to go from a 1.1 branched repo to 1.2 merge Sep 30 02:27:36 dBsooner, yea Sep 30 02:27:41 that is the 1.2 stock rootfs Sep 30 02:27:46 egaudet: i dont think u meant what you said Sep 30 02:27:52 egaudet: but i know what you wanted to say Sep 30 02:27:58 what did i want to say? Sep 30 02:28:01 lets say master has 1.1 in it right now Sep 30 02:28:05 yep Sep 30 02:28:08 and 1.1 is taged Sep 30 02:28:15 and then u update to 1.2 Sep 30 02:28:17 and u tag it Sep 30 02:28:23 but u have a branch that is still at 1.1 Sep 30 02:28:26 git checkout the branch Sep 30 02:28:33 then do 'git rebase v1.2' Sep 30 02:28:36 ta da! Sep 30 02:28:43 so confused Sep 30 02:28:56 the 1.1 branch has files that don't exist in 1.2 and shouldn't exist in 1.2 Sep 30 02:28:58 git is confusing, then all of a sudden you get it and it all makes sence Sep 30 02:29:11 I love using bitkeeper at work Sep 30 02:29:29 egaudet: why would the 1.1 branch have files that dont exist? Sep 30 02:29:38 because 1.1 had frameworks 191.15 Sep 30 02:29:42 and 1.2 has frameworks 200.18 Sep 30 02:29:49 that dont matter Sep 30 02:29:52 git rebase is smart Sep 30 02:29:57 it reapplies your commits Sep 30 02:30:04 to the right files? it will detect renames? Sep 30 02:30:07 when u create a branch based on 1.1 Sep 30 02:30:15 the very first commit is that tag Sep 30 02:30:19 then u make changes and commit that Sep 30 02:30:19 I really should save these logs for when I need git help, lol Sep 30 02:30:28 I autolog Sep 30 02:30:29 zsoc: no these logs wont help Sep 30 02:30:30 just for that reason Sep 30 02:30:35 PuffTheMagic, thanks :p Sep 30 02:30:37 cause its full of people abusing git and not using it correctly :D Sep 30 02:30:41 haha Sep 30 02:30:42 this channel is publicly logged Sep 30 02:30:56 git add . is slow Sep 30 02:30:56 egaudet: do you have a branch right now Sep 30 02:31:00 PuffTheMagic, yes Sep 30 02:31:03 are you guys git init'ing your whole pre /? Sep 30 02:31:05 I have master tagged v1.1.0 Sep 30 02:31:05 that is based on a tag? Sep 30 02:31:08 and has a commit in it? Sep 30 02:31:09 and branch kb based on 1.1.0 Sep 30 02:31:12 and that's it Sep 30 02:31:16 haven't put 1.2.0 in at all yet Sep 30 02:31:19 egaudet: checkout that branch Sep 30 02:31:23 and then do 'git log' Sep 30 02:31:24 im on that branch Sep 30 02:31:28 you should see there are only 2 commits Sep 30 02:31:39 1 is 1.1 and 1 is your keyboard commit Sep 30 02:31:44 most likely Sep 30 02:31:50 unless you commited some tweaks Sep 30 02:31:50 ok Sep 30 02:31:58 so when u rebase Sep 30 02:32:02 i've commited tons of times to that branch Sep 30 02:32:04 it reapplies allt he commits after 1.1 Sep 30 02:32:06 onto 1.2 Sep 30 02:32:25 so i got lots of log Sep 30 02:32:29 ok Sep 30 02:32:33 so it applies all of them Sep 30 02:32:36 onto 1.2 Sep 30 02:32:43 but i think the kb tag might be from the first branch commit Sep 30 02:32:53 first branch commit? Sep 30 02:33:12 first commit to that branch when i created it Sep 30 02:33:27 yeah i still dont get what u are saying Sep 30 02:33:29 so rebase will see files got renamed and apply my commits to the right files? Sep 30 02:33:46 oh.... Sep 30 02:34:12 your keyboard patch is sorta an exception Sep 30 02:34:26 if files get renamed/moved it might be a littlemore complicated Sep 30 02:34:46 git should handle renames/moves Sep 30 02:35:06 helfire: on a rebase, idk Sep 30 02:35:08 it might Sep 30 02:35:18 i just cant think of a time when i've done that personally Sep 30 02:36:20 this would be so much easier of we could push the palm code to public repo Sep 30 02:36:27 then i could clearly show you how to do all this Sep 30 02:36:44 yea it would be easier :( Sep 30 02:36:58 but still this isn't rocket science, I just don't know how much to trust git Sep 30 02:37:01 egaudet: do you have a monolithic version of your keyboard patch u can send me Sep 30 02:37:02 at certain things Sep 30 02:37:03 i can do a test Sep 30 02:37:10 i have 1.1 and 1.2 jars handy Sep 30 02:37:37 i trust git completely, but it took 9 months :) Sep 30 02:37:52 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=patches/virtual-keyboard.git;a=summary Sep 30 02:38:00 the summery Sep 30 02:38:04 couldnt link to the blob Sep 30 02:38:06 :D Sep 30 02:38:14 v0.3.2 is the last 1.1.0 patch Sep 30 02:38:18 and then i ported to 1.2.0 Sep 30 02:39:12 seems the browser wont even render pages after a certain size now Sep 30 02:39:38 egaudet: how do u port to 1.2 if u dont have 1.2? Sep 30 02:41:01 tharris-, can you point to an example? Sep 30 02:41:18 my browser still starts in landscape mode ALL the time Sep 30 02:41:33 i think im going to sprint and saying my pre is broken Sep 30 02:41:44 but then i will get a referb with worse oreo than i have now prob Sep 30 02:42:27 PuffTheMagic, I have 1.2 just not in git Sep 30 02:42:45 so I did the quick and dirty way of substitutin 191.15 for 200.18 in the patch Sep 30 02:43:31 make a webpage with a standard html head and put 10k characters in it, see what it looks like. I get a blank page :/ Sep 30 02:43:32 egaudet, could you share a little about what caused the patch to break in 1.2? Sep 30 02:43:44 tharris-, i will try that :) Sep 30 02:43:45 and no error message Sep 30 02:43:55 zsoc, the framework version changed in 1.2.0 from 1.1.0 Sep 30 02:43:55 on phone and emu Sep 30 02:44:25 the framework version is in the name of the framework js file as well as the name of a directory containing other framework stuff Sep 30 02:44:33 so the 1.1.0 patch couldn't apply to nonexistant files in 1.2.0 Sep 30 02:44:41 egaudet: does 0.3.2 work on 1.0.4 Sep 30 02:44:53 egaudet, ah, so in actuality, really just some targets needed renaming? Sep 30 02:45:00 i dunno does 1.0.4 have 191.15 framework version? Sep 30 02:45:07 when i bought my pre 1.1.0 was out so Sep 30 02:45:31 zsoc, basically yea, they didnt change anything that the patch conflicted with so it applied fine with fuzz Sep 30 02:45:39 after fixing the names Sep 30 02:46:01 egaudet: wait till u see this:D Sep 30 02:46:12 oh boy Sep 30 02:46:14 * zsoc waits till he sees this Sep 30 02:46:17 heh Sep 30 02:47:02 zsoc, this is my fault prolly since i reported a browser crash using large character amounts.... Sep 30 02:47:28 tharris-, awesome lol Sep 30 02:47:39 well stop reading those long erotic stories on your pre Sep 30 02:47:40 didnt think they would just cut the render down Sep 30 02:47:57 it was a boring story too "A" x 100000 :/ Sep 30 02:48:31 That's super boring D: Sep 30 02:48:48 depends on how it is told i guess =p Sep 30 02:49:04 you should see the video i post on the vuln hehe Sep 30 02:49:24 oh, does the buffer overflow cause a vuln? Sep 30 02:49:32 no another one Sep 30 02:49:36 i see Sep 30 02:49:52 * zsoc wonders how vulnerable the pre browser is to session stealing and xss Sep 30 02:50:03 ill show u =p Sep 30 02:50:12 hello every1 Sep 30 02:50:15 http://tlhsecurity.com/videos/FA.html Sep 30 02:50:17 Hack the Planet!!!111 Sep 30 02:50:59 I am picturing PuffTheMagic with an evil grin on his face as he does some sort of git magic Sep 30 02:51:10 eggg Sep 30 02:51:14 i dont have a 1.1.0 jar Sep 30 02:51:17 i have 1.0.4 Sep 30 02:51:21 this isnt gonna be pain Sep 30 02:51:28 1.1.0 jar on wiki Sep 30 02:51:30 im not backporitn your patch to prove apoint Sep 30 02:51:49 there's no point to prove Sep 30 02:52:03 tharris-, holy. crap. holy. holy. crap. how did you find that vuln? Sep 30 02:52:04 you tell me how to get git to figure out rename Sep 30 02:52:17 =p Sep 30 02:52:27 where? Sep 30 02:52:36 tharris-, tell me at least you're a security expert or something similar? Sep 30 02:52:37 http://tlhsecurity.blogspot.com/ been doing alot of work Sep 30 02:52:48 yeah i do security research Sep 30 02:53:01 What you guys think of the 4x4 patch? Is it worth it? Sep 30 02:53:09 VERY MUCH SO Sep 30 02:53:14 its awesom! Sep 30 02:53:21 e! Sep 30 02:53:32 Ok sold, just patch the 4x4? Sep 30 02:53:33 egaudet: u need to make an ipk which add your autopatch feed Sep 30 02:53:38 and put in on preyourmind :D Sep 30 02:53:48 * dBsooner agrees Sep 30 02:53:49 so that it can be installed with out hacking Sep 30 02:53:56 * dBsooner is tired of telling people to echo stuff Sep 30 02:54:03 what?! Sep 30 02:54:03 any news on video progress? Sep 30 02:54:07 make it easy for aunt minnie?! Sep 30 02:54:12 Yes Sep 30 02:54:14 what did you do with PuffTheMagic?! Sep 30 02:54:14 make it easy Sep 30 02:54:16 tharris-, it's impressive considering how short a period of time the phone has been around. Sep 30 02:54:21 thanks Sep 30 02:54:25 * dBsooner is shocked too. Sep 30 02:54:28 Spunks3, yes, but i'm not telling you about it :P :> Sep 30 02:54:35 lol, great Sep 30 02:54:38 Spunks3, you're not zf0 are you? :P Sep 30 02:54:43 ive been watching precentrals progress Sep 30 02:54:55 lol that forum thread is a joke, besides Jason being awesome Sep 30 02:54:56 just a pre owner waiting for video dammit Sep 30 02:54:58 huh? what just happened here Sep 30 02:55:03 PuffTheMagic, are you feeling ok Sep 30 02:55:13 :p Sep 30 02:55:22 egaudet: are you? Sep 30 02:55:44 Spunks3, if you want the scoop, i'm in the middle of getting a common h264 encoder working so video can be played back on your pre without having to transfer it to youtube :P Sep 30 02:55:59 now that is what i like to hear Sep 30 02:56:11 tharris-, nice find wow Sep 30 02:56:25 zsoc: how is recording. still via terminal without preview (for now)? Sep 30 02:56:25 Who is the person working on adding different protocol to libpurple? Sep 30 02:56:27 never reading email on my pre! Sep 30 02:56:40 egaudet: why not? Sep 30 02:56:47 thanks egaudet Sep 30 02:56:47 gkatsev, recording will never have preview until.. er.. something or other i can't say here in channel Sep 30 02:56:58 msg? Sep 30 02:57:06 tharris-, that zf0 comment was directed at you, not spunks :) Sep 30 02:58:29 does the pre not support any other video playback? h264 can be quite CPU intensive :/ Sep 30 02:58:33 (encoding) Sep 30 02:58:51 ahh heh no Sep 30 02:59:00 i remember a patch from a while back that moded the camera app, added more buttons i believe for i cant remember what reason.. any chance this will be possible to work with video in the future? Sep 30 02:59:19 something along thos lines, editing the actual camera app? Sep 30 02:59:26 i think the webos quick install bricked my phone Sep 30 02:59:34 has anyone reported this happening? Sep 30 02:59:53 there's a "shutter sound" camera patch that adds a button the camera app if that's what you meant **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Sep 30 02:59:57 2009