**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 30 02:59:57 2009 Sep 30 03:00:30 ya maybe that was it... o well, just a thought.. palm should really jump on it tho Sep 30 03:00:39 since we have "depends" and patches as ipk coming, then eventually someone should be able to patch camera app for a button that ran the service to record Sep 30 03:01:00 dunno who's working on recording at this point though Sep 30 03:01:09 lalala updating gitorous should be easier Sep 30 03:01:10 ' Sep 30 03:01:16 right right, the progress every1 has made tho is WILD Sep 30 03:01:20 i wanted to work on making modes 1.2 compitable Sep 30 03:01:33 nids** Sep 30 03:01:38 mod** Sep 30 03:01:50 PuffTheMagic, how do I put put 1.2.0 on top of 1.1.0 in git and have git detect renames? Sep 30 03:02:53 egaudet: what are you using to do your git changes Sep 30 03:02:54 ? Sep 30 03:03:03 uhh git Sep 30 03:03:03 ? Sep 30 03:03:13 ahh ok im looking for a windows app Sep 30 03:03:22 ahh sorry, I don't have windows Sep 30 03:03:27 :D Sep 30 03:03:33 lol Sep 30 03:03:45 yea cygwin and git was acting funny Sep 30 03:04:51 linux distro virtual box Sep 30 03:05:18 oh lala thats what i might do tonight Sep 30 03:05:20 4x4 is sexy Sep 30 03:05:37 thanks for the input Sep 30 03:05:53 yea 4x4 is awesome, and it was touched up by a guy who despises the very being of patches :P Sep 30 03:06:02 lol Sep 30 03:06:06 x4x should be the default Sep 30 03:06:11 4x4* Sep 30 03:06:16 im going to webOs doctor my phone tonight i feel it isnt right lol Sep 30 03:06:20 does email orientation working for you guys on 1.2? Sep 30 03:07:36 no Sep 30 03:07:44 but message-orientation does Sep 30 03:08:05 did anyone try messaging forwarding yet Sep 30 03:08:05 ? Sep 30 03:08:10 using the patches Sep 30 03:08:10 ? Sep 30 03:08:25 read the wiki Sep 30 03:08:28 I have it enable, have not tested Sep 30 03:08:35 if its not in the 1.2 OK, no one has erported Sep 30 03:08:52 lol smart ass Sep 30 03:08:56 :D Sep 30 03:08:58 gonna go install linux Sep 30 03:09:05 and make them compatible then Sep 30 03:10:06 centos here i come Sep 30 03:10:37 in js? Sep 30 03:10:40 sorry Sep 30 03:11:03 PuffTheMagic: what distro you use? Sep 30 03:12:32 egaudet: what distro you use? Sep 30 03:13:01 egaudet is babied with ubuntu Sep 30 03:13:01 since im use to centos in server environments im probably gonna see how it treats me Sep 30 03:13:13 PuffTheMagic has the power with gentoo Sep 30 03:13:26 yea i was thinking ubuntu since alot of stuff supports it Sep 30 03:13:40 and it supports a lot of stuff as well Sep 30 03:14:17 indeed Sep 30 03:16:55 hey everyone Sep 30 03:17:43 bet this question will be the 1 millionth time you have had it asked....i installed the IPK, where is yahoo,msn etc supposed to be ? Sep 30 03:18:05 VaRMiT, can honestly say i've never heard that question Sep 30 03:18:16 lol Sep 30 03:18:17 VaRMiT: have no idea what you talking about Sep 30 03:18:18 lol Sep 30 03:18:30 ok...where theres your 1st Sep 30 03:18:30 which ipk did u install Sep 30 03:18:45 the one from Gregs site in the pre folder Sep 30 03:19:01 link Sep 30 03:19:14 org.webosinternals.messaging_1.0.0_armv7.ipk Sep 30 03:19:46 http://cid-e47a245fdc43bd04.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Public/Messaging%20Plugins/Pre/org.webosinternals.messaging%5E_1.0.0%5E_armv7.ipk Sep 30 03:20:01 did u go into account in messaging apps Sep 30 03:20:01 ? Sep 30 03:20:37 atlanta: the plugins didnt show up for me either. Sep 30 03:20:45 prefs and accounts correct Sep 30 03:20:59 i see AIM and my SMS number Sep 30 03:21:11 click add account Sep 30 03:21:18 well let me install and see Sep 30 03:21:20 OMG Sep 30 03:21:23 its there Sep 30 03:21:38 i guess i didnt wait long enough Sep 30 03:21:49 this is sweet! Sep 30 03:21:51 anyone know what the status is with greg's standalone installer? Sep 30 03:22:45 yeah, atlanta: the messaging plugins isnt working for me. Sep 30 03:22:45 egaudet: it works last i heard Sep 30 03:23:15 uh, was the messaging plugin fixed for 1.2? Sep 30 03:23:18 its signing in ... Sep 30 03:23:21 hope it works Sep 30 03:23:38 I cloned the repo Sep 30 03:23:47 good night guys Sep 30 03:23:49 I get errors when I type ant Sep 30 03:24:01 Decimation: you do the installer ipk ? Sep 30 03:24:09 egaudet: ok. I created a patch Sep 30 03:24:11 oil, is it supposed to just be a java installer for any ipk so i could bundle preware in it and install it Sep 30 03:24:11 Happy coding Sep 30 03:24:13 how do I test it on the pre? Sep 30 03:24:28 egaudet: thats the original thought i think Sep 30 03:24:33 dBsooner, copy it to the pre Sep 30 03:24:35 that you could bundle both preware and the service in it Sep 30 03:24:35 then go to the pre Sep 30 03:24:37 and give it out Sep 30 03:24:38 and do Sep 30 03:24:43 VaRMiT: http://cid-e47a245fdc43bd04.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Public/Messaging%20Plugins/Pre/org.webosinternals.messaging%5E_1.0.0%5E_armv7.ipk?sa=969874722 i used that Sep 30 03:24:48 i got that much.. i just needed to know the command on the pre Sep 30 03:24:59 to install it Sep 30 03:25:00 ? Sep 30 03:25:00 cd / Sep 30 03:25:09 dBsooner: what patch have you made? :P Sep 30 03:25:10 ok...you are on 1.2 webos correct? Sep 30 03:25:12 patch -p1 --dry-run < my.patch Sep 30 03:25:23 Capture with volume keys Sep 30 03:25:26 dBsooner, that won't do the actual patching but will output as if it does Sep 30 03:25:28 I picked one at random Sep 30 03:25:45 make sure no errors would occur Sep 30 03:25:54 and then do the same thing without --dry-run to actually apply it Sep 30 03:26:00 pathc -p1 < my.patch (from root dir) Sep 30 03:26:08 patch -p1 < my.patch (from root dir) Sep 30 03:26:18 then restart luna and verify Sep 30 03:26:22 http://screensnapr.com/u/m2h0kq.png Sep 30 03:26:23 k Sep 30 03:26:33 are the patches current when you do a git pull in /opt/src/modifications Sep 30 03:26:39 guys - it shows installed, but it doesnt work :/ Sep 30 03:26:44 err, webos 1.2 OK? Sep 30 03:27:09 installing it manually now Sep 30 03:27:12 to see what i get Sep 30 03:27:21 Decimation: what does? Sep 30 03:27:46 dBsooner: if you had checked the screenshot, you'd see that it is the messaging plugin im refering to ;) Sep 30 03:27:55 lol Sep 30 03:27:55 ok Sep 30 03:28:54 yahoo having alittle trouble logging in Sep 30 03:29:17 but of course...no complaints here Sep 30 03:29:30 mine doesnt even work :/ im always so unlucky. Sep 30 03:30:00 the efforts is unbelievable, great job guys, keep at it and yes im going to donate, i want this to continue to be developed Sep 30 03:30:36 egaudet: should the patches start with this below the descripts: Sep 30 03:30:36 --- .orig/usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.camera/app/controllers/capture-assistant.js Sep 30 03:30:36 8 Sep 30 03:30:37 +++ /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.camera/app/controllers/capture-assistant.js Sep 30 03:30:48 without the 8.. Sep 30 03:30:51 that's linenumber. Sep 30 03:31:01 egaudet: can you pack the 1.2 blink notifications enabler into an ipk for the autopatch repo? Sep 30 03:31:24 sweet! Sep 30 03:31:27 IT works! Sep 30 03:31:29 I made one! Sep 30 03:31:37 the blink led is a easy mod Sep 30 03:31:38 dBsooner, yea that looks god Sep 30 03:31:47 Decimation, that was done yesterday Sep 30 03:31:48 how do unapply it now? Sep 30 03:31:49 did it myself in 3 mins Sep 30 03:32:02 patch -p1 -R < my.patch Sep 30 03:32:03 egaudet: ouch, well, thanks :) Sep 30 03:32:05 VaRMiT: yeah, but we made it installable. much faster Sep 30 03:32:09 Decimation, you just said something that made a ton of sense, awesome. Sep 30 03:32:21 Decimation, didn't mean to ouch ya :P Sep 30 03:32:31 zsoc: :/ Sep 30 03:32:35 egaudet: give me push access Sep 30 03:32:49 egaudet: well you did :P - do you know where the preware .conf files are located, i forgot. Sep 30 03:32:51 errr I don't know how Sep 30 03:33:00 dBsooner: what do you want push access to? Sep 30 03:33:00 /var/etc/ipkg Sep 30 03:33:04 sorry Decimation Sep 30 03:33:14 modifications Sep 30 03:33:16 Just wanted to stop by and say thanks to whom ever updated the 4x4 patcher... and thanks to egaudet for removing those files from my photo app :) Sep 30 03:33:18 on gitorious Sep 30 03:33:37 on gitorious or on git.webos-internals.org ??? Sep 30 03:33:43 egaudet: thanks :) time to add autopatch again. Sep 30 03:34:02 :D Sep 30 03:34:03 dBsooner: have you registered an account on gitorious and uploaded an SSH key? Sep 30 03:34:06 Decimation: yea manually doing it didnt work either Sep 30 03:34:10 got some errors Sep 30 03:34:18 rboatright: doing that as we speak Sep 30 03:34:30 ok, I can't authorize you until you've completed that. Sep 30 03:34:35 PuffTheMagic smoothed over the 4x4 patch, and he wanted me to tell everyone he loves Aunt Minnie Sep 30 03:34:39 i liked the 5x4 better than 4v4 Sep 30 03:34:44 MLJones8, i didn't do any of that, but I'll say you're welcome Sep 30 03:34:49 rboatright: I just thought of that. Thanks. Give me a min. Sep 30 03:35:10 rboatright: is it easy to update the key after I install Linux? Sep 30 03:35:13 atlanta: yeah, i tried manually adding live - guess thats the price of trying to use a new mod. Sep 30 03:35:35 egaudet: how was it smoothed over? Sep 30 03:35:42 dBsooner: it's easy, but you should make a safety copy of your ssh keys on a flash drive and put it away someplace so you can copy them over to any new machine Sep 30 03:35:58 Sweet. That's a better idea. tahnks rboatright. Sep 30 03:36:00 Well i don't know what Aunt Minnie is but none-the-less PuffTheMagic thx as well. Sep 30 03:36:11 yea i think i may have lost my keys Sep 30 03:36:48 MLJones8, you might be Aunt Minnie :> Sep 30 03:37:11 ... I don't think I want to be. Sep 30 03:37:21 MLJones8, it's not so bad really Sep 30 03:39:13 sad that quick install doesnt work Sep 30 03:39:41 So where's the fixed 4x4 patch? Sep 30 03:39:51 * zsoc doesn't use wqi Sep 30 03:40:06 zsoc, do you have autopatch feed Sep 30 03:40:27 egaudet: what was wrong with the 4x4 patch Sep 30 03:40:42 egaudet, i should assume that is a feed for wqi? Sep 30 03:40:42 Decimation: poor formating. Sep 30 03:40:52 Decimation, it contained the add/delete patch, the spacing was a little bunched and text overlap Sep 30 03:40:58 hah, whoever made that must really suckk Sep 30 03:41:10 zsoc, feed for preware Sep 30 03:41:14 well it's a feed Sep 30 03:41:15 (i never released my fixed version.. sorry guys :P Sep 30 03:41:17 there's no "feed for xxx" Sep 30 03:41:21 any installer can use the feed Sep 30 03:41:22 egaudet, oh... define "has". Sep 30 03:41:29 and yes, i realize now what i said was ridiculous :) Sep 30 03:41:39 i just did a test on yahoo, i logged into my account, and then tried logging in with the pre, it logs me out of my yahoo on my computer, but hangs there Signing In ........ Sep 30 03:41:55 open preware, go to patches and see many patches, and ge tudpated 4x4 installed via preware ;) Sep 30 03:42:41 egaudet, it seems apparent i do not have said autopatch feed. how get? Sep 30 03:42:51 echo "src/gz autopatch http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/autopatch/all" > /var/etc/ipkg/autopatch.conf Sep 30 03:43:04 oh god, that's the echo command you were tired of telling people Sep 30 03:43:09 * zsoc apologizes profusely Sep 30 03:44:07 psht, echo commands, real men go in winscp and make the file themselves. Sep 30 03:44:12 hm... do i need to restart the package manager service? Sep 30 03:44:30 * zsoc loves to "go in" winscp Sep 30 03:45:12 i like securecrt Sep 30 03:45:26 * Decimation goes back to finishing his coding project before bed. Sep 30 03:45:42 egaudet, so why exactly isn't this feed included, or at least an option somewhere? did you have a fight with oil? :P Sep 30 03:45:56 any reason yahoo would continue to hand on Signing In ... Sep 30 03:46:03 Also how do i know which patches work with 1.2? Sep 30 03:46:08 hand=hang Sep 30 03:46:10 it is in testing. I am starting to give it in here for more people to use Sep 30 03:46:39 next step is announcing on precentral forums after we get most of the patches ported to 1.2 Sep 30 03:46:40 egaudet, i see, well i'll be certain to break it ;) great job btw, if indeed this is some sort of script auto packaging .patch files Sep 30 03:46:41 OK, so I created the .ppk and .pub keys with PuTTYgen, and am at the form to "save public ssh key", but don't know what to put in here. Sep 30 03:46:41 egaudet: is that for me ? Sep 30 03:46:51 and then it will be default in preware eventually Sep 30 03:46:53 I pasted the base64 content, but it says its not valid Sep 30 03:47:02 VaRMiT, no sorry Sep 30 03:47:24 zsoc, have fun breaking it. It's only been broken once Sep 30 03:47:53 i'll try very hard :D seriously tho... you have some sort of server-side script to auto package patches? is that's what's happening here? Sep 30 03:47:53 egaudet: ouch, all these patches have to be 1.2 updated :O Sep 30 03:47:55 and that has to do with some weird /dev/mapper mount errors causing remove to fail after the script already ran and is easy to rectify from command line Sep 30 03:48:04 i hate error installing [4] dialogs :P Sep 30 03:48:06 Decimation, only about 20 don't work Sep 30 03:48:14 half of them work as is Sep 30 03:48:38 i think its amazing how open Palm is about all of this Sep 30 03:49:18 woohoo now have autopatch in my preware :D Sep 30 03:49:37 happy patching Sep 30 03:49:40 i think emails need to be removed from the blink notifications Sep 30 03:50:05 bleh I need to manually do global search still Sep 30 03:50:24 Eguy, what do you mean Sep 30 03:50:38 manually code in my 3 extra engines Sep 30 03:50:55 That I had before Sep 30 03:50:58 ohh yea Sep 30 03:51:41 4x4 is indeed super sexy Sep 30 03:51:58 Why do so many people like 4x4 lol Sep 30 03:52:14 lol what is 4x4 Sep 30 03:52:22 quadbike Sep 30 03:52:24 Eguy: its something new... like a new girlfriend ... fun to play with. Sep 30 03:53:04 egaudet, battery % patch work yet? Sep 30 03:53:10 zsoc, you tell me Sep 30 03:53:23 rboatright: active Sep 30 03:53:28 non working patches will simply fail to install with no ill effects Sep 30 03:53:43 egaudet: where are we putting the feedback for the patches? Sep 30 03:54:04 feedback as in? Sep 30 03:54:13 which patches do/do not work. Sep 30 03:54:19 wiki Sep 30 03:54:35 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Patches_to_webOS Sep 30 03:54:39 wiki, but we got it covered Sep 30 03:54:39 ;) Sep 30 03:54:43 At least I do. :D Sep 30 03:54:45 And it appears most are covered... Sep 30 03:54:46 yep. Sep 30 03:55:07 egaudet: all I need push access to is the gitorious/webos-internals right? Sep 30 03:55:12 modifications Sep 30 03:55:23 < hates that my e-mail doesn't rotate.... Sep 30 03:55:35 MLJones8, I'll fix that one next Sep 30 03:55:58 * Eguy is waiting for sms/email rotation Sep 30 03:56:01 egaudet, battery patch doesn't work, should i uninstall? Sep 30 03:56:03 dBsooner, if you want to 'release' an update or new patch you need build.git access Sep 30 03:56:04 dB thx 8) Sep 30 03:56:07 ie too lazy to put in the code himself :P Sep 30 03:56:14 up to you egaudet Sep 30 03:56:15 Eguy, sms rotation works Sep 30 03:56:18 it's your baby. Sep 30 03:56:20 does it? Sep 30 03:56:22 messaging orientation patch Sep 30 03:56:42 i may have kicked it off but like everything here it's all open Sep 30 03:56:53 rboatright: ping Sep 30 03:56:54 wiki hasn't been updated :P Sep 30 03:57:09 I don't mind kicking off updates etc... but if you are going to be actively maintaining patches it makes sense for you to be able to Sep 30 03:57:19 Yeah, this is cake now Sep 30 03:57:25 zsoc, uninstall what? Sep 30 03:57:34 egaudet, the battery patch that did nothing :) Sep 30 03:57:48 zsoc, check the log it didn't install ... no need to uninstall Sep 30 03:57:52 zsoc, the patches need a luna restart but it isn't done automatically right now so that we can test without retarting luna every patch Sep 30 03:58:12 egaudet: add an installpackage to pym Sep 30 03:58:31 installpackage for what Sep 30 03:58:31 to add the autopatch.conf Sep 30 03:58:41 oh yea as soon as this thing goes to Beta Sep 30 03:58:42 and have it self-remove. :D Sep 30 03:58:50 I get the pop up, hit ok, and then just says installing. Never moves on from there Sep 30 03:58:54 such an abuse of postinst, but whatever Sep 30 03:59:06 Hey, it's there. Abuse it! Sep 30 03:59:08 It seems I'm Aunt Minnie :< Sep 30 03:59:09 removing the Amazon folder in applications, would that mess up the phone ? Sep 30 03:59:11 that goes for services as well for me Sep 30 03:59:22 zsoc, no Aunt Minnie cannot run the echo command Sep 30 03:59:23 VaRMiT: no Sep 30 03:59:32 VaRMiT: unless something else in the palm code ties into it Sep 30 03:59:40 lol Sep 30 03:59:42 echo base here Sep 30 03:59:47 VaRMiT: but it would just basically delete the amazon app Sep 30 03:59:47 i guess thats the question, is there Sep 30 04:00:09 can you ipkg uninstall palm apps? Sep 30 04:00:10 i mean, i would never use it, why have it Sep 30 04:00:14 heh, i just happened to be connected ssh through usb net on tty1... although the first time i was in a debian chroot, that command confused it a little ;) Sep 30 04:00:21 hmm Sep 30 04:00:26 * dBsooner is going to try Sep 30 04:00:39 * dBsooner has all the updated ipk's from the updater Sep 30 04:01:12 god 4x4 is so sexy, who caused this to become? he needs beer Sep 30 04:01:21 lol Sep 30 04:01:22 wow Sep 30 04:01:26 it was a colmenation of all of us Sep 30 04:01:31 it's how the Pre should ahve been released Sep 30 04:01:39 I guess I will try it Sep 30 04:01:48 i've beens so busy getting nothing accomplished trying to be a pretty cool guy, i never messed with all these things everyone else did 100 years ago lol Sep 30 04:02:12 egaudet: got a particular app I should try it on Sep 30 04:02:13 ? Sep 30 04:02:21 i just ipkg removed the nascar app Sep 30 04:02:23 ipkg list_installed is quite lengthy Sep 30 04:02:25 and it did it Sep 30 04:02:33 so it's gone for ever i guess Sep 30 04:02:42 unless you webos dr Sep 30 04:02:43 dBsooner: Sprints portal Sep 30 04:03:19 yup Sep 30 04:03:21 its gone Sep 30 04:03:39 meh i had the nascar patch intalled when i removed the nascar app Sep 30 04:03:44 ipkg remove com.palm.applications.sprintportal Sep 30 04:03:47 buh bye Sep 30 04:03:52 nice. Sep 30 04:04:15 Where the hell did rboatright go?!?! Sep 30 04:04:28 heh none of the patches worked for me Sep 30 04:04:40 just sits there at installing Sep 30 04:04:46 oh well Sep 30 04:04:50 Eguy, the postinst confirmation should pop up Sep 30 04:04:57 I hit ok Sep 30 04:05:09 goes back to installing Sep 30 04:05:21 what does the ipkg log say Sep 30 04:05:37 empty Sep 30 04:05:50 preware reports them as installed though Sep 30 04:06:04 restart luna and see if they work Sep 30 04:06:10 That's what I did Sep 30 04:06:18 and nada Sep 30 04:06:19 and I did a rescan too Sep 30 04:06:33 nothing Sep 30 04:06:41 what did you break Sep 30 04:06:47 go into preware, under system utilties, install EPR to remove all the patches Sep 30 04:07:05 and thennnn try again and be patient whie it's "installing" :P Sep 30 04:07:18 pfft fine Sep 30 04:07:35 Last i looked at EPR it was for 1.1 only. Sep 30 04:07:44 egaudet: you know how to shake rboatright awake? Sep 30 04:07:50 EPR is for all Sep 30 04:07:55 rboatright was busy in private chat. Sep 30 04:08:01 PM'ing me usually works. Sep 30 04:08:02 yummy Sep 30 04:08:06 ok Sep 30 04:08:07 with whom? Sep 30 04:08:11 MLJones8, it says 1.1 only but that's outdated description Sep 30 04:08:12 MYOB Sep 30 04:08:14 * dBsooner doesn't pm anyone in here. Sep 30 04:08:19 pwned Sep 30 04:08:28 it's OTA protected Sep 30 04:08:38 egaudet: thanks for the advice. Sep 30 04:08:43 I installed 37 patches, updated to 1.2, ran EPR, and no ill effects Sep 30 04:08:49 rboatright: business is minded. Sep 30 04:08:57 waiting on epr I did hit cancel on accident the first time though Sep 30 04:08:59 Ok, dBsooner gitourious.... I'll go look Sep 30 04:09:08 rboatright: build.git too Sep 30 04:09:14 on git.webos-internals Sep 30 04:09:25 but EPR must be run right after an OTA if you ever need it (once you touch a file EPR will see it's not a stock file and try to use the backup that was generated from when you installed it prior to the OTA) Sep 30 04:09:49 still "installing" Sep 30 04:10:20 Eguy, EPR is? Sep 30 04:10:24 EPR takes a bit Sep 30 04:10:35 about 3 mins or so Sep 30 04:10:36 yeah Sep 30 04:10:41 took over 5 minutes on the ~40 patches I had Sep 30 04:10:43 the pre is going to go to sleep Sep 30 04:10:57 I only tried to install 4 patches Sep 30 04:10:58 sleep is not going to stop it I dont think but you can just wake it Sep 30 04:11:05 mine slept too Sep 30 04:11:25 I should of just used quilt though a CLI... Sep 30 04:11:28 091 will keep the phone awake (not the screen) while a package action is running Sep 30 04:11:46 for at least 15 mins Sep 30 04:12:20 i mean Sep 30 04:12:21 at most Sep 30 04:12:32 if the phone "sleeps" while a script is running, the script doens't stop right Sep 30 04:12:44 i dont know Sep 30 04:12:45 I thought it does Sep 30 04:12:46 does git just use your id_rsa.ppk from your home folder? Sep 30 04:12:54 or do I have to configure git to use it Sep 30 04:12:58 we've had troubles with the service not returning when the phone would fall asleep Sep 30 04:13:05 which is why i put stayawake stuff on all the service actions Sep 30 04:13:13 aha! Sep 30 04:13:17 it just went to sleep Sep 30 04:13:27 while "installing" epr Sep 30 04:13:30 the screen goes off Sep 30 04:13:35 but the phone doesnt sleep Sep 30 04:13:37 while its running Sep 30 04:13:46 what's the difference? Sep 30 04:13:47 due to me telling it not to Sep 30 04:13:49 the difference Sep 30 04:13:51 one has problems Sep 30 04:13:53 the other doesnt? Sep 30 04:13:56 lol Sep 30 04:14:06 Screen is turnd off. but the processes are still running as the phone is on Sep 30 04:14:13 it's processor state Sep 30 04:14:13 right Sep 30 04:14:25 doesn't screen lock = sleep? Sep 30 04:14:30 no Sep 30 04:14:37 not if i tell it to stay awake Sep 30 04:14:54 screen lock is just when the SCREEN sleeps Sep 30 04:15:01 still waiting on the "installation" this is taking way too long Sep 30 04:15:07 right, the phone normally goes to sleep when the screen goes off Sep 30 04:15:12 NoDoze does the same thing.. keeps it awake, but screen blanks and screen lock enables Sep 30 04:15:23 Eguy: is the progress bar moving? Sep 30 04:15:24 nodoze keeps the screen and everything awake Sep 30 04:15:28 Eguy: i never moved for me Sep 30 04:15:32 just stayed there Sep 30 04:15:34 had to dr. it Sep 30 04:15:36 oil: not on mine Sep 30 04:15:40 on mine it does Sep 30 04:15:42 oil: my screen is off right now Sep 30 04:15:52 odd Sep 30 04:15:58 one of ours is broke Sep 30 04:16:12 I hate the dr Sep 30 04:16:21 Eguy: im just saying 1.2 update didnt work for me Sep 30 04:16:31 not the first time Sep 30 04:16:31 PuffTheMagic: does git just use my id_rsa.ppk from my home folder, or do I have to configure the git config to use the ppk? Sep 30 04:16:39 I am talking about installing EPR not 1.2 Sep 30 04:16:51 oh Sep 30 04:16:59 fuck it, I am just going to reboot it and see what happens Sep 30 04:17:00 you need to make sure the .git/config has the right url for the push repo Sep 30 04:17:04 dBsooner: idk what git u are talking about Sep 30 04:17:17 ahh. that answer it egaudet Sep 30 04:17:20 I will just use terminal from now on Sep 30 04:17:37 Preware works fine for apps not for scripts in my experience Sep 30 04:17:49 preware works fine for everything in my experience Sep 30 04:17:59 and maybe it will be nice and fast if/when it gets a C service Sep 30 04:18:03 :ahem: Sep 30 04:18:20 lol Sep 30 04:18:23 egaudet: u really trying to get me started again huh Sep 30 04:18:34 round 2: FIGHT! Sep 30 04:18:34 no, we dont want that Sep 30 04:18:39 hehe no no no, I just want preware to have a C service Sep 30 04:18:46 because I hate java services Sep 30 04:18:50 How about A service? Sep 30 04:18:51 mmmm... c service.... Sep 30 04:19:00 C is only average Sep 30 04:19:06 and by have I mean use Sep 30 04:19:31 c will set your grandmother on fire --eli from #scheme Sep 30 04:19:32 egaudet: u can will rod gets around to writing it Sep 30 04:19:44 s/when/if/ Sep 30 04:20:01 you can't substitute when when there is no when :P Sep 30 04:20:07 s/will/if/ Sep 30 04:20:07 PuffTheMagic meant: egaudet: u can if rod gets around to writing it Sep 30 04:20:25 how do you install git Sep 30 04:20:30 C is great Sep 30 04:20:32 i just installed optware and quilt lite Sep 30 04:20:37 antianalog: #git Sep 30 04:20:44 when i git pull in /opt/src/modifications it says git not found Sep 30 04:20:54 aunt minnie... Sep 30 04:21:06 antianalog: did you use the script? Sep 30 04:21:16 yes, for both optware and quilt lite Sep 30 04:22:03 antianalog: on this page? http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Next_steps Sep 30 04:22:17 yes Sep 30 04:22:34 antianalog: most likely, you skipped "source /etc/profile.d/optware" Sep 30 04:22:51 doh you are right, thanks Sep 30 04:22:53 the script should do that automativcally Sep 30 04:22:58 now ipkg-opt update works too Sep 30 04:23:03 "should" as in... it need to get added Sep 30 04:23:09 not... does but didnt Sep 30 04:23:24 PuffTheMagic: running the script won't export variables Sep 30 04:23:32 unless you call it with source Sep 30 04:23:39 or dot Sep 30 04:23:40 right Sep 30 04:23:50 that should eb added Sep 30 04:23:53 hmmm Sep 30 04:24:07 i have it in my bash ipkg :D Sep 30 04:24:21 so that /var/bin...is in the path Sep 30 04:24:39 infact... ipkgservice should amke sure that exists Sep 30 04:24:56 not sure what you're saying... the instructions should say "source optware-bootstrap.sh" rather than "sh optware-bootstrap.sh" ? Sep 30 04:24:59 /var/(bin|sbin|usr/bin|usr/sbin) Sep 30 04:25:12 Joesmith: no thats not what im saying Sep 30 04:25:19 JackieRipper: ^^ Sep 30 04:25:21 tab fail Sep 30 04:25:27 no worries Sep 30 04:26:02 so how should the script do it? It can't export variables unless it's called with source Sep 30 04:26:04 a script can't export up Sep 30 04:26:51 PuffTheMagic: antianalog's problem is that he didn't source the new profile, so /opt/bin wasn't in his $PATH Sep 30 04:27:33 Anyone have admin access to the build.git repo on webos-internals? Sep 30 04:28:02 yes i know Sep 30 04:28:02 what i meant was the script that installs that file in profile.d shoudl then run 'source /etc/profile' Sep 30 04:28:11 messagelandscape.patch failed fyi Sep 30 04:28:15 it doesn't work that way Sep 30 04:28:33 as long as its run in the current shell it would Sep 30 04:28:43 and if had run that manually it would have taken Sep 30 04:28:49 but it's not. the script is run in a new shell Sep 30 04:29:02 PuffTheMagic, you cannot export up to parent shell unless you use source Sep 30 04:29:08 period Sep 30 04:29:16 ? Sep 30 04:29:28 if put source /etc/profile in a .sh file and run it. Sep 30 04:29:32 the setting take effect Sep 30 04:29:43 not in your parent shell (the one you call sh /etc/profile from) Sep 30 04:29:46 Puff, do you got admin access on the repo's? :D Sep 30 04:30:16 dBsooner: yes but i dont touch anything in webos repos any more Sep 30 04:30:17 PuffTheMagic: you are in an interactive shell. You run a script. That script (unless called with source or .) cannot export variables to the shell that called it. Sep 30 04:30:28 PuffTheMagic: you grounded? Sep 30 04:30:43 PuffTheMagic: Not even to add push access? Please? Sep 30 04:31:01 dBsooner: i cant add you Sep 30 04:31:26 * dBsooner goes to email rwhitby. Maybe, just maybe he'll sneak it in while he is on holdays. Sep 30 04:31:29 and i wouldnt if i could, nothing personal, idk why i even have ops/void/perms these days Sep 30 04:31:39 s/void/voice/ Sep 30 04:31:40 PuffTheMagic meant: and i wouldnt if i could, nothing personal, idk why i even have ops/voice/perms these days Sep 30 04:32:12 * PuffTheMagic is waiting to get banned from these channels Sep 30 04:32:26 PuffTheMagic, why in the world would you get banned Sep 30 04:32:36 PuffTheMagic: "if put source /etc/profile in a .sh file and run it.... the setting take effect" This is a false statement Sep 30 04:32:58 unless you run it like "source script" or ". script" Sep 30 04:33:50 scripts run in a new instance of a shell (hence the #!) Sep 30 04:34:10 egaudet: cause i argue with everyone and hate auntminnie and have the complete opposite philosophy about how this stuff shoudl eb run Sep 30 04:34:42 none of that would warrant a ban anyway. Sep 30 04:35:01 yeah, I always make things difficult and I don't get banned :D Sep 30 04:35:09 * Eguy watches as I get banned Sep 30 04:35:29 PuffTheMagic, I don't think your philosophy is complete opposite, you just hate aunt minnie :P Sep 30 04:35:31 egaudet: a ban to shut me up might happen Sep 30 04:35:44 don't think so Sep 30 04:35:51 it appears all the patches i have applied work fine Sep 30 04:35:54 in 1.2 Sep 30 04:35:59 plus I still plan on cracking you Sep 30 04:36:02 :P Sep 30 04:36:03 lol. I don't think so either PuffTheMagic. Sep 30 04:36:06 PuffTheMagic: you provide a useful role in that regard. Sep 30 04:36:46 you _do_ think at angles to the rest of us, an occasionally that results in a re-think Not always, but sometimes. Sep 30 04:37:36 frustrating people till they are sick of me is a better description Sep 30 04:37:41 oh lala im loving ubuntu Sep 30 04:37:46 about to start up cola Sep 30 04:38:18 oh yeah....applying patches just killed my phone Sep 30 04:38:28 time to restore from backup :D Sep 30 04:38:31 Eguy, with webos quick install? Sep 30 04:38:36 nah Sep 30 04:38:39 JackieRipper: ok so you are right, adding source /etcprofile dont work Sep 30 04:38:39 preware/cli Sep 30 04:38:41 What is everyones build? (" /usr/bin/luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.preferences/systemProperties/Get {\"key\":\"com.palm.properties.buildNumber\"}") Sep 30 04:39:00 but it coul be source couldnt it? Sep 30 04:39:20 lance1233, does preware show it installed Sep 30 04:39:22 in installed packages Sep 30 04:39:23 so far so good with my patches Sep 30 04:39:24 :) Sep 30 04:39:25 no Sep 30 04:39:26 it doesn't Sep 30 04:39:55 any body uses cola-git? Sep 30 04:40:14 lance1233, how did you install it Sep 30 04:40:18 coca-cola? Sep 30 04:40:18 preware Sep 30 04:40:26 what did you do since you installed it Sep 30 04:40:30 no its a git gui for linux Sep 30 04:40:33 nothing Sep 30 04:40:49 i reinstalled it after the update with preware, and a few other tweaks through webos quickinstall Sep 30 04:41:04 the keyboard WORKS Sep 30 04:41:07 PuffTheMagic: The instructions currently say to so "sh optware-bootstrap.sh" then "source /etc/profile.d/optware"... I *guess* that could be consolidated to "source optware-bootstrap.sh" Sep 30 04:41:09 it just isn't showing up in preware Sep 30 04:41:23 I don't see much of a benefit, though Sep 30 04:41:25 I don't know how people keep getting into this state Sep 30 04:41:43 beats me.. Sep 30 04:41:55 did you try to restart preware Sep 30 04:41:59 many times Sep 30 04:42:08 i've had the problem for over aday Sep 30 04:42:09 and is the keyboard listed in available aptches Sep 30 04:42:13 yes Sep 30 04:42:41 does the shell script autodelete after install the one in /var/usr/lib Sep 30 04:42:51 the post install one Sep 30 04:42:59 no Sep 30 04:43:05 well THAT isn't there Sep 30 04:43:10 can you get into novaterm or linux access Sep 30 04:43:14 ya Sep 30 04:43:37 /var/usr/lib/ipkg/info/org.webosinternals.virtual-keyboard.* is non existant? Sep 30 04:43:46 i only checked on the preterminal Sep 30 04:43:49 so let me ssh into it Sep 30 04:44:03 do preware themes work in 1.2 ??? Sep 30 04:45:02 rboatright, assuming the files they overwrite haven't moved Sep 30 04:45:05 egaudet: so link me to 1.1 jar so i can give u that demo Sep 30 04:45:10 i cant find shit on the wiki when i want it Sep 30 04:45:23 i search for webos doctor can get all these pages with the contents Sep 30 04:45:25 lol me neither Sep 30 04:45:43 we need a pure dev resources wiki Sep 30 04:45:50 rboatright... and how 'themed' the dialer pad is... Sep 30 04:45:51 -sh: cd: can't cd to org.webosinternals.virtual-keyboard.* Sep 30 04:45:56 egaudet: -sh: cd: can't cd to org.webosinternals.virtual-keyboard.* Sep 30 04:45:57 a non-auntminnie wiki Sep 30 04:45:58 night all Sep 30 04:46:00 legally cant redistrubute the doctor sadly Sep 30 04:46:13 Jack1987: who said redistribute? Sep 30 04:46:16 so wiki only has link to palm's os doctor whichever is the newest Sep 30 04:46:18 lance do ls not cd Sep 30 04:46:24 ok Sep 30 04:46:33 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions Sep 30 04:46:38 Jack1987: thats what i thought but someone said it was there Sep 30 04:46:44 ls: org.webosinternals.virtual-keyboard.*: No such file or directory Sep 30 04:46:45 its not Sep 30 04:46:53 there is details stating what 1.1 had Sep 30 04:46:59 i think i have 1.1 somewhere Sep 30 04:47:00 http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/pre_p100eww/webosdoctorp100ewwsprint.jar Sep 30 04:47:08 I think that is 1.1 jar? Sep 30 04:47:11 yes Sep 30 04:47:16 1.2 has a different link Sep 30 04:47:16 no thats 1.2 Sep 30 04:47:23 does it? Sep 30 04:47:28 i think thats 1.2 Sep 30 04:47:28 i thought it was all the same Sep 30 04:47:31 http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/ash994djslspam356z/s2x56ydt/webosdoctorp100ewwsprint.jar is 1.2 Sep 30 04:47:52 lance1233, do you remember what version of keyboard you installed? Sep 30 04:47:55 and can you do: Sep 30 04:47:57 4.0 Sep 30 04:48:05 egaudet: 4.0 Sep 30 04:48:24 md5sum /usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/builtins/palmInitFramework200_18.js Sep 30 04:48:52 egaudet: 94bfc9d388f999f680bd24d6c3352e4f Sep 30 04:48:58 egaudet: yo.... about the framework file Sep 30 04:49:22 ipkg -o /var install org.webosinternals.virtual-keyboard Sep 30 04:49:23 lance Sep 30 04:49:29 yo Sep 30 04:49:30 ok Sep 30 04:49:42 egaudet: does your keyboard thing actually modify functions in that file orjust add to it? Sep 30 04:49:57 PuffTheMagic, it modifies very little Sep 30 04:50:07 then it adds it's own class and does everything there Sep 30 04:50:30 egaudet: how many functions does it modify? Sep 30 04:50:33 lance1233, after you do abov einstall, restart preware you should see the keyboard in installed packages Sep 30 04:51:13 moment of truth Sep 30 04:51:21 ya Sep 30 04:51:24 woot Sep 30 04:51:37 egaudet: im pretty sure you could "use" that one function and put it in its own file under fair use... or rewrite it your self, then u can avoid touching that file all together Sep 30 04:51:40 PuffTheMagic, I don't know how many functions but there is about a dozen hunks outside of the keyboard class Sep 30 04:52:06 egaudet: now my pictures folder still has all the pngs in it. Sep 30 04:52:34 I could definitely put the keyboard class somewhere in it's own js, but i have to modify other places to listen for the taps and create the keyboard etc.. Sep 30 04:52:48 lance1233, yea you gotta uninstall the keyboard Sep 30 04:52:54 Could someone look into this as a patch? (http://tiny.cc/g73dR) Sep 30 04:52:55 ok thats what i figured Sep 30 04:53:01 wait, you fixed the picture thing egaudet? Sep 30 04:53:02 rm -rf /media/internal/virtual-keyboard Sep 30 04:53:06 and then reinstall Sep 30 04:53:07 tlp yea Sep 30 04:53:09 egaudet: yeah but the less you touch that file the easier it willbe to maintain when new versions come out Sep 30 04:54:17 PuffTheMagic, true but it's not much difference for me because I can just add the 1400 lines of keyboard class anywhere i want Sep 30 04:54:26 yeah Sep 30 04:54:29 egaudet: thanks for the awesome support. not very often you talk straight to the developer haha Sep 30 04:54:47 it won't be any easier or harder for me to maintain the class in it's own js vs. inside the framework file, aside from searching for things :P Sep 30 04:54:50 egaudet: yeah so put that in a standalone file Sep 30 04:55:00 what happend to the click sound? Sep 30 04:55:02 but to get it OUT of that file have to modify another common area to bring my new file in Sep 30 04:55:07 cool Sep 30 04:55:29 Eguy, nothing? Sep 30 04:55:33 or something Sep 30 04:55:35 i dunno Sep 30 04:55:46 egaudet: but that file that you would nbeed to edit probably dont change names and it probably does get modified as much as the framework file does Sep 30 04:56:13 PuffTheMagic, right but what I'm saying is I still have to modify that file for the keyboard to work Sep 30 04:56:19 right Sep 30 04:56:36 and the portion that can go in it's own file (keyboard class) is just one giant hunk of code that isn't hard to put anywhere inside the js Sep 30 04:56:38 Anyone know if 1.2 made the notification sound quieter and the ringer louder? Sep 30 04:56:44 There used to be a click.wav for the KG Sep 30 04:56:45 KB* Sep 30 04:56:51 It made the ring louder Sep 30 04:56:55 but I will look into trying to remove ALL the code into it's own js Sep 30 04:57:01 and duck punch the methods I'm patching Sep 30 04:57:01 but not touching a file that gets renamed making using git easier, and modifying a file that dont get modified much makes maintaining a patch easier Sep 30 04:57:03 notification stayed the same IIRC Sep 30 04:57:21 now it does the laundry, too Sep 30 04:57:23 and then all I'd have to do is patch whatever pulls the framework js in on boot Sep 30 04:57:32 eguy: maybe i'm crazy but it sounds a tad quieter Sep 30 04:57:46 egaudet: thats comming from ~6 years of maintaing linux kernel patchsets and playing with mm kernels that contain thousands of patches in 1 series file Sep 30 04:58:32 adjust the system volume ;) Sep 30 04:59:05 that must be fun PuffTheMagic Sep 30 04:59:18 egaudet: it was for a while Sep 30 04:59:24 got old Sep 30 04:59:30 play with the pre is more fun now Sep 30 04:59:36 heh :D Sep 30 04:59:44 but thats how i learned C and quilt and git Sep 30 05:00:10 i've always had computers with hardware that wasnt in mainline kernel Sep 30 05:00:16 when the stuff was new Sep 30 05:00:24 so i always needed to patch in the new code Sep 30 05:00:39 so since i had to do it for my self Sep 30 05:00:47 i made the patchset public for others Sep 30 05:00:50 and it just greq Sep 30 05:00:53 grew Sep 30 05:01:16 and it expanded to including patches for other peopels hardware Sep 30 05:01:24 anything sweet in the works you guys? Sep 30 05:01:24 nice Sep 30 05:01:25 since patching is too hard for most people Sep 30 05:01:32 you are a good man Sep 30 05:01:39 and then it got into acutally adding experimental fs's Sep 30 05:01:43 and new schedulers Sep 30 05:01:49 and fixing bugs Sep 30 05:01:51 which brings us to the point of puff not wanting to see anyone's patches anymore Sep 30 05:01:59 lol Sep 30 05:03:07 egaudet: its more like.... patching shit seems to be too hard for l33t gentoo users (hahaha) who are familar with linux, i cant expect windows aunt minnie to do it Sep 30 05:03:17 and i dont want o spend time trying to get her to do it Sep 30 05:03:29 she needs the time Sep 30 05:03:35 * dBsooner SCREAMS Sep 30 05:03:36 she is old and slow Sep 30 05:03:39 there aint enought time in the world Sep 30 05:03:48 Permission denied. (Publickey) Sep 30 05:03:57 dBsooner: im getting that too right now Sep 30 05:04:04 on my fresh pre Sep 30 05:04:08 with dropbear installed Sep 30 05:04:10 PuffTheMagic, i see your point Sep 30 05:04:12 and my ssh key is installed Sep 30 05:04:14 trying to push to gitorious? Sep 30 05:04:17 oh no Sep 30 05:04:21 yeah, my ssh key is installed to Sep 30 05:04:22 im tryingh to ssh to me pre Sep 30 05:04:23 Puff: do you have kids? Sep 30 05:04:23 :D Sep 30 05:04:26 but you can always patch for ME, and I can handle patches and you dont have to deal with anyone ::P Sep 30 05:04:33 Eguy: im not even married Sep 30 05:04:38 Ah. Sep 30 05:04:39 nor plan on being any time soon Sep 30 05:04:41 Don't Sep 30 05:04:42 but no. no kid Sep 30 05:04:44 kids Sep 30 05:05:00 If you don't like aunt minnie, you won't like kids Sep 30 05:05:00 i have my key in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys Sep 30 05:05:00 Eguy: thats what every one tells me Sep 30 05:05:03 my public key Sep 30 05:05:10 except for my mother who is lying though her teeth Sep 30 05:05:11 :D Sep 30 05:05:32 i dont know anyone who is married that I think is really happy Sep 30 05:05:41 and my parents are still together Sep 30 05:05:47 dBsooner: as root or a regular user? Sep 30 05:06:01 Eguy: where did this "kids" thing come from? Sep 30 05:06:02 reg user.. kinda.. its cygwin Sep 30 05:06:16 i don't know anyone who is not married and is really happy Sep 30 05:06:16 dBsooner: delete cygwin and get linux Sep 30 05:06:19 lol Sep 30 05:06:20 done Sep 30 05:06:24 no one is really happy longterm Sep 30 05:06:25 rebooting to my ubuntu boot disk Sep 30 05:06:26 :D Sep 30 05:06:28 to install ubuntu Sep 30 05:06:30 dBsooner: I mean the user on the pre Sep 30 05:06:34 I just see your getting pissed off with n00bs, kids are like 20+ years off n00b :P Sep 30 05:06:45 JackieRipper: why does that matter? Sep 30 05:06:53 Eguy: lol Sep 30 05:07:02 of* Sep 30 05:07:05 I am trying to push to the gitorious repo from my desktop Sep 30 05:07:06 screw typos Sep 30 05:07:28 egaudet: will you just add this one for me for now? Sep 30 05:07:30 dBsooner: by default, root's password is blamk. dropbear will not let you log in, even with a key, if the user's password is blank Sep 30 05:07:41 I am not trying to login to the pre.. Sep 30 05:07:43 PuffTheMagic is Sep 30 05:07:44 egaudet: thanks a million mate. I'm off to bed. Good luck all. Sep 30 05:07:50 oops, my bad Sep 30 05:07:50 while I reboot Sep 30 05:07:53 and install ubuntu Sep 30 05:08:26 dBsooner, what patch Sep 30 05:08:34 capture with volume keys Sep 30 05:08:54 where is it Sep 30 05:09:41 egaudet: http://webosinternals.pastebin.com/d83ea405 Sep 30 05:09:49 10-4? so i can get ubuntu started? Sep 30 05:09:57 or should I go centos? Sep 30 05:10:00 yea Sep 30 05:10:01 Eguy: its not that noobs piss me off, in general i like helping people, but its pretty obvuious when people dont rtfm or google... and thats sorta when i get pissed Sep 30 05:10:15 PuffTheMagic: BULLSHOOT Sep 30 05:10:16 Eguy: and something just arent for noobs Sep 30 05:10:19 baby steps Sep 30 05:10:27 what is rtfm? Sep 30 05:10:28 :P Sep 30 05:10:28 PuffTheMagic: "...in gernal i like helping people..." HAHAHAHAHAHA Sep 30 05:10:37 REad the Fricking Manual Sep 30 05:10:43 but you knew that Sep 30 05:10:54 fricking to put it nicely Sep 30 05:11:01 KISS= keep it simple stupid Sep 30 05:11:06 ubuntu or centos? Sep 30 05:11:12 ubuntu it is Sep 30 05:11:15 be back in 30 Sep 30 05:11:16 dBsooner: the very first thing i did when i signed on in this channel was said what my skills were and asked where i could start helping Sep 30 05:11:40 and i havent been able to focus on any of that Sep 30 05:11:50 cause it all has to be aunt minne proffed Sep 30 05:11:55 proofed Sep 30 05:12:00 blah blah Sep 30 05:12:04 be back in about 30 Sep 30 05:12:08 depends on ubuntu's install time Sep 30 05:12:09 patch: **** Only garbage was found in the patch input. Sep 30 05:12:14 booooo Sep 30 05:12:19 dBsooner: u dont have to leave for that Sep 30 05:12:20 what?!?! Sep 30 05:12:30 dBsooner: dont install ubuntu to do dev work Sep 30 05:12:34 dBsooner: u dont need a gui Sep 30 05:12:38 LOL Sep 30 05:12:44 i am just tired of windows right now Sep 30 05:12:46 dBsooner: u need a command line Sep 30 05:12:58 egaudet: my patch? Sep 30 05:13:06 egaudet: why do I not believe you. it worked for me. Sep 30 05:13:24 because your pastebin sux Sep 30 05:13:26 Windows ME ftw! Sep 30 05:13:33 * PuffTheMagic just did back2back shots of goldschlager Sep 30 05:13:38 im pondering a 3rd Sep 30 05:13:44 so want it in email? Sep 30 05:13:46 do it! Sep 30 05:13:48 yea db Sep 30 05:13:57 k Sep 30 05:13:58 one sec Sep 30 05:14:19 ;) Sep 30 05:14:24 Why would anyone ever drink goldschlager? Sep 30 05:15:10 Why would anyone buy a Pre? Sep 30 05:15:48 Anti-Apple Sep 30 05:16:08 oh you mean anyone with a brain? Sep 30 05:17:27 well I was going to say, straight people Sep 30 05:17:44 psykoz: cause im out of sambuca Sep 30 05:17:58 oh god Sep 30 05:17:59 and its 40% Sep 30 05:18:00 sambuca as well? Sep 30 05:18:04 lol Sep 30 05:18:08 Man please tell me you got some 40's in the fridge too Sep 30 05:18:16 and you're always drinking boone's farm on the weekends Sep 30 05:18:24 yeesh, who drinks that crap? :) Sep 30 05:18:41 psykoz: i drink lots of stuff Sep 30 05:18:49 clearly the wrong stuff ;) Sep 30 05:19:00 i wasnt in the mood for scotch and i didnt want to go out side to get mint for a mojito Sep 30 05:19:06 and beer aint strong enough right now Sep 30 05:19:14 and too late for wine Sep 30 05:19:28 bite your tongue Sep 30 05:19:36 man drinking wine? Sep 30 05:19:38 it's never too late for wine Sep 30 05:19:41 heh Sep 30 05:19:54 and what kind of wussy beer do you drink that it isn't strong enough? Sep 30 05:20:07 psykoz: wussy beer, lol Sep 30 05:20:23 Souther Tier Unearthly Imperial IPA :D Sep 30 05:20:26 11% Sep 30 05:20:29 :D Sep 30 05:20:36 not bad Sep 30 05:20:43 I give you some due credit that you have an IIPA Sep 30 05:20:49 i love IPA's Sep 30 05:21:00 Ever had stone's ruination? one of my favorites Sep 30 05:21:04 hell yeah Sep 30 05:21:05 love that Sep 30 05:21:16 but i like their regular IPA over ruination Sep 30 05:21:28 psykoz: ever have Double Dog from Flying Dog ? Sep 30 05:21:29 yes their regular IPA is quite honestly the best IPA ever Sep 30 05:21:40 Yup, very familiar with the ugly dog bottles ;) Sep 30 05:21:41 psykoz: its up ther eon my list... idk about best Sep 30 05:21:42 dBsooner, ? Sep 30 05:22:12 psykoz: Lagunitas makes some good shit too Sep 30 05:22:18 their Imperial Red is good Sep 30 05:22:25 Nod Sep 30 05:22:32 rboatright: build.git on webos-internals and modifications on gitorious Sep 30 05:22:33 ever had dogfish 60, 90 and 120? Sep 30 05:22:36 yeah Sep 30 05:22:39 lol Sep 30 05:22:41 that was way old Sep 30 05:22:45 60 good 90 great 120 sucked Sep 30 05:22:47 didn't mean to paste that Sep 30 05:22:50 egaudet: sent Sep 30 05:22:52 now I am rebooting Sep 30 05:22:59 and I tested it ONE MORE TIME to make sure it installed clean Sep 30 05:23:01 and it did Sep 30 05:23:06 120min dont taste like a beer Sep 30 05:23:07 Puff, 120 is a once a yearer kind fo beer for me, and it actually develops its best flavor when it gets warm Sep 30 05:23:12 bbiam Sep 30 05:23:16 it tastes almost like an elegant brandy the warmer it gets Sep 30 05:23:30 with obviously the obnoxiously sweet hops flavor Sep 30 05:23:42 psykoz: i havent had "a beer" that is over 12% that i've enjoyed Sep 30 05:23:56 they start getting into the "wine" category, but are neither a wine nor beer Sep 30 05:24:03 and i cant get used to them Sep 30 05:24:53 Speaking of, I need to put my Stone Russian Imperial Stout in the fridge for tomorrow Sep 30 05:25:13 i miss Rochester Sep 30 05:25:23 we had this store "Beers of the World" Sep 30 05:25:27 dBsooner, Sep 30 05:25:29 Puff, well for having at least a reasonably sound appreciation for beer, I still don't understand how you would torture yourself with Sambuca or Goldschlager ;) Sep 30 05:25:31 it was like the size of a football beild Sep 30 05:25:37 and as far as the eye could see Sep 30 05:25:38 you know you forgot to attach it to the email right Sep 30 05:25:39 beer LD Sep 30 05:25:56 psykoz: its not torture Sep 30 05:26:00 Puff, aye, I miss a specific place in Mesa, AZ, quite possibly the best beer store I've ever seen ;) Sep 30 05:27:38 ? Sep 30 05:27:41 egaudet: pong Sep 30 05:27:47 email Sep 30 05:27:48 attach Sep 30 05:27:50 negative Sep 30 05:27:51 ever heard of it Sep 30 05:27:52 it's there Sep 30 05:27:55 lol Sep 30 05:28:02 lol Sep 30 05:28:04 no it's not Sep 30 05:28:04 egaudet: are you sure 0.3.2 is for 1.1.0 Sep 30 05:28:13 patching file usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/builtins/palmInitFramework191_15.js Sep 30 05:28:13 The next patch would create the file usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/submissions/191.15/resources/da_dk/kbchars_fulltable.json, Sep 30 05:28:15 PuffTheMagic, keyboard? yes Sep 30 05:28:21 191_15 means 1.1.0 Sep 30 05:28:24 yeah Sep 30 05:28:32 but why am i getting a create a file that already exists error Sep 30 05:28:40 hmm Sep 30 05:28:41 i know Sep 30 05:28:42 because you installed it before? Sep 30 05:28:46 fucked up something Sep 30 05:28:48 patched* Sep 30 05:28:55 it was stale Sep 30 05:28:59 try that egaudet Sep 30 05:29:01 and i commited by accident Sep 30 05:29:17 make sure you got it b4 I reboot Sep 30 05:29:25 egaudet: i didnt do rm -rf * Sep 30 05:29:28 like i normally do Sep 30 05:29:59 egaudet: got it? Sep 30 05:31:10 i could really go for a Blue Acid 1400cc right now Sep 30 05:32:43 yea dBsooner done 15 mins to bulid Sep 30 05:32:45 0.2.0 Sep 30 05:32:47 cool Sep 30 05:32:50 rebooting Sep 30 05:32:58 will be back in ubuntu 9.10 alpha 5 Sep 30 05:33:41 psykoz: question for u Sep 30 05:33:51 Puff, what's up? Sep 30 05:33:53 IPA's... taste like pine or taste like grapefruit? Sep 30 05:34:48 well instead of pine, I usually notice them being more like marijuana than anything, obviously since I've brewed beer plenty of times and have gotten fresh hops I pick up those tones more so than floral/fruity aromas people get from them Sep 30 05:35:24 psykoz: well yeah, hops looks like bud :D Sep 30 05:35:28 nod Sep 30 05:35:33 i mean taste though Sep 30 05:35:42 they're actually in the same genus iirc Sep 30 05:35:46 * PuffTheMagic has never drank buds Sep 30 05:35:58 people have substituted marijuana for hops before Sep 30 05:36:04 im sure Sep 30 05:36:17 im not gonna waste pot by putting in water though Sep 30 05:36:37 Is there any new news on the flac and vorbis support? Sep 30 05:36:44 lol alcohol to weed...what's next Sep 30 05:36:58 gateway drugs Eguy Sep 30 05:37:06 and again, I get the hops resins and oils flavor more so, that remind me more of marijuana (pine might be pushing it, but yeh, sure similar scent/complex oils), than I do grapefruit (which is the flavor most people get with the fruity/floralness) Sep 30 05:37:07 egaudet: you missed my brief Cigar interlude Sep 30 05:37:07 * punzada acts like 'the man' Sep 30 05:37:13 Eguy: ^^ Sep 30 05:37:16 LOL Sep 30 05:37:18 tab failure again Sep 30 05:37:26 not the first time that has happened Sep 30 05:37:35 as egaudet will attest to Sep 30 05:37:47 * egaudet starts petition for removal of all eg* != egaudet Sep 30 05:37:53 lol Sep 30 05:37:54 :P Sep 30 05:38:49 idk, eg+tab for me is Eguy Sep 30 05:41:04 hey.. im trying to install the keyboard patch from preware.. but im getting an error.. how can i completely uninstall the keyboard.. and start from scratch Sep 30 05:41:38 oil: i have a touble tab habbit... used to messaging egaudet Sep 30 05:42:18 eg+tab for me is me Sep 30 05:42:45 i can't figure out what touble tab is tho Sep 30 05:42:48 yeah, eg+tab+tab Sep 30 05:43:56 hey PuffTheMagic does git support running scripts on pushes Sep 30 05:44:05 hah I never knew about tab lolk Sep 30 05:44:10 egaudet: as commit hooks o the server yes Sep 30 05:44:23 s/o/on Sep 30 05:44:30 Eguy: you've been typing everyones name out in full? Sep 30 05:44:32 we gotta get that for the autobulider Sep 30 05:44:37 yup Sep 30 05:44:40 15 minutes takes forrrever Sep 30 05:44:40 lol Sep 30 05:45:06 i would have had that setup a year ago if i had root access to the git server :D Sep 30 05:46:05 thats what she said. Sep 30 05:46:14 damnit I broke the autobuilder Sep 30 05:46:38 MLJones8: Fail Sep 30 05:46:47 oh nevermind Sep 30 05:46:57 I didn't notice what you said it to lol Sep 30 05:47:23 <- not good for much else... good thing i've got else to do. Sep 30 05:47:41 stupid keyboard! Sep 30 05:48:15 grrrr I removed a directory from git build repo and now autobuilder keeps going into that directory to build Sep 30 05:49:54 wipeout hd is pretty good Sep 30 05:50:04 offline root mode: not running org.webosinternals.virtual-keyboard.postinst Sep 30 05:50:10 what does that mean? Sep 30 05:50:23 you need to run postinst Sep 30 05:50:26 duhh Sep 30 05:50:53 im getting thay error in preware.. Sep 30 05:51:12 oh Sep 30 05:51:41 any ideas? Sep 30 05:51:45 not from me Sep 30 05:51:47 oil knows Sep 30 05:52:12 oohhh oiiilllll Sep 30 05:53:29 tlz, that is not an error Sep 30 05:53:34 egaudet: http://dpaste.com/100203/ Sep 30 05:53:42 egaudet: that is a "normal" workflow Sep 30 05:53:44 that is how we install ipk Sep 30 05:53:46 ipkg -o /var Sep 30 05:53:54 offline root mode, so it goes into /var Sep 30 05:53:56 but it dont work 100% for virtual keyboard Sep 30 05:54:03 since the file keeps getting renames Sep 30 05:54:08 renamed Sep 30 05:54:39 any ideas on how to fix it Sep 30 05:54:55 PuffTheMagic, yea well that wil ljust keep the 191.15 stuff from 1.1.0 Sep 30 05:55:07 wanna add this patch cause the directories all show up in pictures Sep 30 05:55:25 egaudet: if the file didnt rename it would have merged the changes accordingly Sep 30 05:55:35 egaudet: maybe you should create a symlink Sep 30 05:55:38 tlz what? Sep 30 05:55:44 and have your file touch the symlink Sep 30 05:55:59 PuffTheMagic, but git will not track the changes in a symlink Sep 30 05:56:03 it will track the changes to the symlink'd file Sep 30 05:56:07 git follows symlinks i beleive Sep 30 05:56:19 yea follows Sep 30 05:56:25 but if i sym link a -> b Sep 30 05:56:32 when i modify the file, b is getting changed, not a Sep 30 05:56:44 git is not going to see a as the b changes Sep 30 05:56:47 right.... Sep 30 05:56:47 but Sep 30 05:57:04 you could add b to .gitignore Sep 30 05:57:13 and then it would only worry about a Sep 30 05:57:15 and git would only see a sym link that isn't changing for a Sep 30 05:57:23 egaudet: hmm Sep 30 05:57:25 hardlink? Sep 30 05:57:36 but I COULD make the framework file the sym link Sep 30 05:57:43 and edit some other created file Sep 30 05:57:50 and then... ahh screw it Sep 30 05:58:04 i would just avoid touching that file if at all possible Sep 30 05:58:05 git either detects renames, i manually merge, or go duck punching Sep 30 05:58:11 just steal the functions u need :D Sep 30 05:58:18 s/steal/rewite/ Sep 30 05:58:18 PuffTheMagic meant: just rewite the functions u need :D Sep 30 05:58:28 using its as a reference Sep 30 05:59:07 i dont think the have any pattents on any alogrightms or what ever Sep 30 05:59:12 can i just rm -rf all the keyboard files and start over? Sep 30 05:59:13 so its just code Sep 30 05:59:23 that u can use as reference Sep 30 05:59:40 if u dont copy directly Sep 30 06:00:40 poop. Sep 30 06:01:06 egaudet: i dont get why palm has t put the version number in the file Sep 30 06:01:22 s/in file/as file name Sep 30 06:02:22 i don't know why either Sep 30 06:02:33 tlz, uninstall keyboard Sep 30 06:02:37 rm -rf /media/internal/virtual-keyboard Sep 30 06:02:39 reinstall keyboard Sep 30 06:02:42 reboot phone Sep 30 06:02:43 all is well Sep 30 06:02:47 im trying. it wont let me lol Sep 30 06:02:49 Howdy all Sep 30 06:02:55 its not showing up in preware Sep 30 06:03:06 egaudet: did u make an ipk for the autopatch feed yet? Sep 30 06:03:42 * oil is frozen in shock Sep 30 06:03:58 PuffTheMagic, no you really want that? Sep 30 06:04:10 egaudet: i want it for others Sep 30 06:04:11 he wants to help out everyones favorite aunt Sep 30 06:04:18 * oil marks calendar Sep 30 06:04:20 oil: no, my bother :D Sep 30 06:04:26 :D I'm so happy right now Sep 30 06:04:37 its going to screw up so many people Sep 30 06:04:47 Anyone with experience with the new downloadManager's upload service calls? Sep 30 06:04:49 they'll see it, install it, and then complain that it doesnt work Sep 30 06:04:54 rather Sep 30 06:04:57 that all of them dont work Sep 30 06:05:10 i'll make that ipk tomorrow and announce the beta on the forums (redirecting ALL questions to Ryan Hope) Sep 30 06:05:10 (unless i missed egaudet getting all the patches in the feed working in 1.2) Sep 30 06:05:11 brb Sep 30 06:05:12 oil: let them complain Sep 30 06:05:16 oil: i will still sleep Sep 30 06:05:20 cause i dont read precentral forum Sep 30 06:05:22 :D Sep 30 06:05:23 oh yea what am I thinking Sep 30 06:05:24 yeah Sep 30 06:05:32 oil is right, let's finish 1.2 port first Sep 30 06:05:33 see, others have to think about that kind of stuff Sep 30 06:05:40 we care about the end user Sep 30 06:05:50 screw the end user Sep 30 06:05:51 about about people that want to stay with 1.1.0 Sep 30 06:05:58 they're out in the cold Sep 30 06:06:05 Eguy: this isnt a business Sep 30 06:06:10 rofl Sep 30 06:06:28 you mean abode? Sep 30 06:06:34 s/abode/adobe Sep 30 06:06:43 stupid infobot Sep 30 06:06:48 you forgot trailing / Sep 30 06:06:52 ~botslap Sep 30 06:06:53 * infobot whimpers Sep 30 06:06:58 oh yeah Sep 30 06:06:59 ~botsnack Sep 30 06:06:59 oil: :) Sep 30 06:07:15 ~botslapmistake :P Sep 30 06:07:23 lol Sep 30 06:07:56 besides rod, is anyone getting paid for their work here? Sep 30 06:08:07 doesn't mean we shouldnt care Sep 30 06:08:15 i want people to have a good experience with preware Sep 30 06:08:26 I got like 80 bux in donations for the keyboard the first week but that's it Sep 30 06:08:27 i dont want them to be frustrated Sep 30 06:08:30 oil: preware is just the installer Sep 30 06:08:39 oil: its not prewares fault an app sucks Sep 30 06:08:46 or else we would have 3 applications Sep 30 06:08:46 im not going to have another argument with you Sep 30 06:08:51 its a waste of my time Sep 30 06:09:10 I dont understand where the conversation just went Sep 30 06:09:11 what app sucks? Sep 30 06:09:18 egaudet: just about all of them Sep 30 06:09:55 I get paid here Sep 30 06:10:08 because puff has used every single one of them, and can make such general statements having done so Sep 30 06:10:09 i havnet tried many apps Sep 30 06:10:32 but topple ball is really nice Sep 30 06:10:34 and blocked Sep 30 06:10:35 oil: ok... just about all the "games" suck Sep 30 06:10:36 is fun Sep 30 06:10:40 some of the utils are decent Sep 30 06:10:53 topple ball becomes more awesome when you up the accelerometer Sep 30 06:11:08 Question: anyone understand the download manager? Sep 30 06:11:21 deliciousmorsel: have you tried #webos ? Sep 30 06:11:32 haven't Sep 30 06:11:48 thats where sdk type discussion is usually held Sep 30 06:12:02 sweet Sep 30 06:12:03 thnx Sep 30 06:12:09 i dont know if you'll get an answer there Sep 30 06:12:16 but i do know that i haven't played with the download manager yet Sep 30 06:12:27 was the palmcast good today? I missed it Sep 30 06:12:29 you know I have a goal in life Sep 30 06:12:33 i think we should make sub ipks for webos versions Sep 30 06:12:34 want to know what that goal is? Sep 30 06:12:40 then shit can depend on them Sep 30 06:12:41 :D Sep 30 06:12:56 to get PuffTheMagic to use, embrace and love autopatch :P Sep 30 06:13:42 hmmm.. tried to rm -rf that directory egaudet.. and reinstall.. but i keep getting a mismatch md5sums error on the postinst Sep 30 06:14:13 md5sum /usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/builtins/palmInitFramework200_18.js Sep 30 06:14:19 tlz what did the mismatch md5sums tell you? Sep 30 06:14:22 calculated, expected Sep 30 06:14:33 egaudet: that will happen right after oil roots his pre Sep 30 06:14:43 oil? Sep 30 06:14:45 oil doesn't have a pre Sep 30 06:14:48 * oil already has devmode enabled Sep 30 06:14:49 you haven't used the terminal app? Sep 30 06:14:50 roots? Sep 30 06:14:55 and the terminal app Sep 30 06:15:07 egaudet: that will happen right after oil installs ssh on his pre Sep 30 06:15:09 PuffTheMagic, ok so oil is done, your part of the deal Sep 30 06:15:11 lol Sep 30 06:15:12 better? Sep 30 06:15:13 lol Sep 30 06:15:15 you wanna know what the md5sums were? Sep 30 06:15:20 oil... you can install ssh with preware Sep 30 06:15:25 do it Sep 30 06:15:26 * oil installs it for 10 seconds Sep 30 06:15:28 tlz yea Sep 30 06:15:35 what "proof" is required? Sep 30 06:15:40 whoa i missed that 1.2 came out Sep 30 06:15:47 oil: u have to install uberservice with ssh :D Sep 30 06:15:48 ah damn i cant type that lol Sep 30 06:15:50 directly Sep 30 06:15:51 pics or it didn't happen Sep 30 06:15:51 lol Sep 30 06:15:52 with out an ipk Sep 30 06:15:55 im in termimal Sep 30 06:15:55 its already installed though Sep 30 06:15:58 waste of time Sep 30 06:15:59 no Sep 30 06:16:03 u have ubermonsrv Sep 30 06:16:06 u dont have uberservice Sep 30 06:16:16 didn't you send me a message about "sorry to waste your time" which i took to mean you weren't working on them anymore Sep 30 06:16:19 looks like it'l be good to wait a bit Sep 30 06:16:19 i could email you a screenshot? Sep 30 06:16:40 gimme last 5 numbers tlz Sep 30 06:16:57 of each? Sep 30 06:17:10 palmInitFramework200_18.js Sep 30 06:17:24 calculated and expected Sep 30 06:18:46 b92bb, and 52e4f Sep 30 06:19:19 uhhh yea no idea what happened with that Sep 30 06:19:31 but your file is screwed Sep 30 06:19:37 so how can i fix it lol Sep 30 06:20:02 oil: yeah im not... Sep 30 06:20:09 my projects cause too many issues Sep 30 06:20:14 lol Sep 30 06:20:19 tlz you got terminal access? Sep 30 06:20:31 yes. im in irssi now Sep 30 06:20:34 how did you remove the keyboard that you installed? Sep 30 06:20:57 i initially installed it through terminal Sep 30 06:21:03 not preware Sep 30 06:21:16 what version do you know Sep 30 06:21:25 installed it via quilt Sep 30 06:21:33 uhh Sep 30 06:22:01 not the one in /opt/src/modifications? Sep 30 06:22:11 i believe so. Sep 30 06:22:20 ouch Sep 30 06:22:21 ok well go quilt pop it Sep 30 06:22:30 it was a while back.. Sep 30 06:22:30 that is so old Sep 30 06:22:37 are you on 1.1 still Sep 30 06:22:41 webos 1.1.0 Sep 30 06:22:46 nope. 1.r Sep 30 06:22:50 1.2 Sep 30 06:22:52 oil: idk,,, maybe i will startworking on them again... egaudet's prob right thoug, no one but me will use them Sep 30 06:23:04 when i do quilt series.. the patch isnt there anymore Sep 30 06:23:16 I'm waiting to use the uber monitor Sep 30 06:23:24 I want a restore point Sep 30 06:23:37 the monitor just monitors Sep 30 06:23:49 and, im sure the irc app/service would get a lot of use Sep 30 06:24:09 oil: the monitor was gonna get turned into more than amonitor remember Sep 30 06:24:15 right Sep 30 06:24:17 but he said monitor Sep 30 06:24:19 tlz you probably want to get the files from the doctor Sep 30 06:24:26 copy them over to your pre Sep 30 06:24:38 ah boo :( im not near my laptop Sep 30 06:24:41 /usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/builtins/palmInitFramework200_18.js Sep 30 06:24:51 im in san francisco now Sep 30 06:24:57 /usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/submissions/200.18/stylesheets/global.css Sep 30 06:25:04 :( Sep 30 06:25:16 the irc service is gonna be hard ot make non-half-assed Sep 30 06:25:23 PuffTheMagic, to be clear I only said that no one would use the C ipkgservice thing, but I rethought it Sep 30 06:25:33 there are like 20 callbacks per session Sep 30 06:25:48 and 1 session per server connection Sep 30 06:25:52 and my position is clearly that Preware need not be tied into any special service so long as the standard feed is obeyed. but anyone let's not rehash Sep 30 06:25:57 and to allow multiple server and multiple apps Sep 30 06:26:06 i need a way to manage that all in a good eway Sep 30 06:26:16 lol Sep 30 06:26:24 we should just simplify it Sep 30 06:27:13 tlz, download the doctor to your pre Sep 30 06:27:45 i can download the dr to my pre? Sep 30 06:27:51 egaudet: that is my pov also but unfortunately... others dont share that opinion, others that have tight control over preware Sep 30 06:27:54 while im on it? Sep 30 06:28:11 yea Sep 30 06:28:12 wget it Sep 30 06:28:44 lol Sep 30 06:28:45 PuffTheMagic, I will always want what's best for the community and there is always room for discussion within the group Sep 30 06:28:48 eh.. imma wait till i can get near a computer.. Sep 30 06:28:53 but we can take that offline another time Sep 30 06:29:02 tlz don't be scared Sep 30 06:29:09 wget http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/ash994djslspam3 Sep 30 06:29:09 56z/s2x56ydt/webosdoctorp100ewwsprint.jar Sep 30 06:29:22 wget http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/ash994djslspam356z/s2x56ydt/webosdoctorp100ewwsprint.jar Sep 30 06:29:25 :P Sep 30 06:29:35 keep a copy in the media partition Sep 30 06:29:39 for quick fixins Sep 30 06:29:49 ill be honest. i dont feel like trying to type that in terminal lol Sep 30 06:30:13 LOL Sep 30 06:30:17 on my pre anyways. if i was at home logged in via putty.. thats another story Sep 30 06:30:27 you need a bluetooth kb Sep 30 06:30:35 tlz: it takes all of a 40 seconds to type Sep 30 06:30:40 im sure you can spare it Sep 30 06:31:02 at least it doesn't have a bunch of special characters or anything in it Sep 30 06:31:25 once i wget it, then what do i do.. Sep 30 06:31:37 extract it Sep 30 06:31:42 then extract the rootfs Sep 30 06:31:45 then cp the file Sep 30 06:31:52 haha Sep 30 06:32:13 uhh. that sounds like a lot of fun.. Sep 30 06:32:53 how do you extract a jar on the pre? Sep 30 06:32:53 i guess it depends on how hard you want to use the osk Sep 30 06:32:53 xD Sep 30 06:33:00 idk, can you? Sep 30 06:33:28 imma have to try this tomorrow.. gotta sleep.. got meetings all day tomorrow :( Sep 30 06:33:43 thx for the help tonight Sep 30 06:34:14 egaudet: jar is on the pre Sep 30 06:34:31 thought it was at least Sep 30 06:34:58 not for me Sep 30 06:35:16 which jar Sep 30 06:35:18 nowhere Sep 30 06:35:30 its not in path though Sep 30 06:36:15 not in optware Sep 30 06:37:07 i have no jar Sep 30 06:37:24 yeah its not there just java Sep 30 06:37:36 prob something we should make an ipk for Sep 30 06:37:45 sounds like it Sep 30 06:38:53 unzip will do it? Sep 30 06:40:10 if not the one on the pre then the one in optware.. maybe Sep 30 06:41:21 yea hmagoo nice Sep 30 06:41:23 optware unzip works Sep 30 06:41:26 pre unzip doesn't Sep 30 06:44:26 ok good night Sep 30 06:45:38 imight be able to get jar out of the sun-jdk package Sep 30 06:45:50 but it dont look like ther eis one for arm Sep 30 06:46:02 idk Sep 30 06:46:11 bed seems like a good idea too Sep 30 06:47:11 Has anyone managed to totally bork their launcher, so there are no pages, no menu and only one icon, with a bunch of jumbled up text? Sep 30 07:13:28 how do you apply this link Sep 30 07:21:38 does anyone know if there is a way to get the webos browser to remember passwords and usernames? Sep 30 07:58:03 anyone around? Sep 30 07:58:48 barely Sep 30 07:59:19 I'm trying to find global-search-assistant.js in the webos doctor any idea where abouts to look? Sep 30 08:01:50 you thought of simply searching the folder where you extracted the rootfs? Sep 30 08:03:00 Nope that would have been my mistake... i'm extracting rootfs now Sep 30 08:03:10 or you could have searched the wiki for it Sep 30 08:03:13 and found this page http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Patch_Browser_Global_Search_Addons Sep 30 08:03:19 that says exactly where it is Sep 30 08:04:17 thats how I goofed it all up... I should be able to handle it from here. Sep 30 08:12:58 back to normal ... oil, thanks for the reminder to extract rootfs :) night Sep 30 08:13:08 np Sep 30 10:30:05 just uploaded the updated version of the clean-messenger patch, yay Sep 30 12:43:32 -i Sep 30 12:48:58 why can i no longer ssh to my phone after I update to 1.2? Sep 30 12:49:20 i tried to access linux process a second time said it was all installed Sep 30 12:49:32 however when i try to ssh to my phones ip it just hangs in the terminal Sep 30 12:49:52 maybe your IP changed Sep 30 12:50:01 go to whatismyip.com on your phone Sep 30 12:50:04 mine still works Sep 30 12:50:22 no i am just an idiot Sep 30 12:50:25 forgot the -p 222 Sep 30 12:50:27 did you do the dynamic Sep 30 12:50:29 ah Sep 30 12:50:33 wish i could make it the default 22 i hate this 222 crap :D Sep 30 12:50:46 =) fixed tho! Sep 30 12:52:06 yes Sep 30 13:01:22 is there a way to fax documents via my pre? Sep 30 13:08:25 AZero, i'm sure you could write an app that would use a 3rd party service to send the fax such as efax.com etc/ Sep 30 13:08:44 so long as the fax sending service has an api Sep 30 13:09:39 if there is a way to send a fax from the terminal on linux such as send this document to my fax machine located at this ip address, then you could write your own server side handler that the app would communicate with and all faxes could be sent from your fax machine :) Sep 30 13:13:47 hm... apparently the alarm does not go off when the phone is charging via usb. because it didnt go off today or yesterday... Sep 30 13:16:45 jcrawford: i was just thinking they could call the phone and it would determine it was a fax incoming and read the document through the phone line and save it to pdf Sep 30 13:16:58 so it would use the phone line Sep 30 13:17:04 oh probably noe :) Sep 30 13:17:05 like a regular fax machine Sep 30 13:17:20 gkatsev, sure blame the phone :D Sep 30 13:18:05 are they ever going to have video on this phone? Sep 30 13:18:06 too Sep 30 13:39:00 Azero, there is video on the phone _now_ Sep 30 13:39:24 people are actively working on video recording and adding sound. Sep 30 13:45:52 Rick_work, where can i check that out? Sep 30 13:45:58 is it a plain app or a service based app? Sep 30 13:46:13 service based. Sep 30 13:46:46 where can i get at the code? Sep 30 13:46:49 javascript couldn't do video recording... Sep 30 13:46:55 so i can see how it works etc. Sep 30 13:47:46 i think i need to learn more about java Sep 30 13:47:59 was using it for a small project here @ work and learned but thought it was fun :D Sep 30 13:48:02 jcrawford: the video isn't with java Sep 30 13:48:25 its all done with the linux base Sep 30 13:48:54 see this thread http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/197022-video-recording-real-no-gui.html Sep 30 13:49:02 there is an mojo app and a service Sep 30 13:51:42 cool Sep 30 13:51:45 will check it out Sep 30 14:25:12 Is there any hope that the tweaks and webOS-QuickInstall will be back up this week with WebOS1.2? Sep 30 14:25:38 Since 1.2 just happened to break everything? Sep 30 14:25:43 jason rarely visits #webos-internals Sep 30 14:26:24 does that mean he is behind any hope of the tweaks being 1.2 compatible? Sep 30 14:26:42 he is the developer of WebOS Quick Install Sep 30 14:26:50 its not open source, hes the only one who can fix it Sep 30 14:27:02 oh, but what about the tweaks in general? like virtual kb and stuff? Sep 30 14:27:10 visual kb* Sep 30 14:27:21 the osk already works in 1.2 Sep 30 14:27:52 oh sweet, and what about the tweaks themselves, wasn't there another way to do them without using quickinstall? Sep 30 14:28:03 you mean patches Sep 30 14:28:07 tweaks is just his name for them Sep 30 14:28:07 yeah patches Sep 30 14:28:13 preware can do patches Sep 30 14:28:19 they're working on getting them all updated for 1.2 Sep 30 14:28:50 there is a beta autopatch feed Sep 30 14:29:01 but not all of them work on 1.2 Sep 30 14:29:06 yet Sep 30 14:29:08 ok, is there any anticipated turn-around date on when the patches will be 1.2 compatible? things like 4x4 launcher and battery percentage shown? Sep 30 14:29:14 oh, ,does it list whicch ones are 1.2 ready alread? Sep 30 14:29:16 4x4 works Sep 30 14:29:26 i dont know about battery percentage Sep 30 14:29:47 might you be able to link me to the beta autopatch feed? Sep 30 14:30:25 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/autopatch/all/ Sep 30 14:31:18 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/autopatch/all/org.webosinternals.patches.more-icons-per-row-4x4-1.2_0.1.18_all.ipk Sep 30 14:31:21 thanks, is there any way to tell if they are 1.2 ready yet from that feed? any version number significance or anything? Sep 30 14:31:22 thats really the only patch i have installed Sep 30 14:31:42 id say anything before september 29th probably doesnt work Sep 30 14:31:43 or do you kinda just have to ask around to see whats 1.2 ready? Sep 30 14:31:44 since 1.2 wasnt out Sep 30 14:31:51 yeah, i guess that would make sense Sep 30 14:31:56 though anything that is for 1.1 just will fail Sep 30 14:31:59 thanks for all the info Sep 30 14:32:01 since hte files arent right for it to patch Sep 30 14:32:12 there is a way to add the feed to preware if you've got command line access Sep 30 14:32:20 through terminal or putty or whatever Sep 30 14:32:51 oh really? Sep 30 14:33:07 i can putty in, is it in the wiki? Sep 30 14:33:38 no Sep 30 14:33:44 but this command will add the configuration Sep 30 14:33:45 echo "src/gz autopatch http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/autopatch/all" > /var/etc/ipkg/autopatch.conf Sep 30 14:33:53 then just run an update in preware Sep 30 14:34:41 and then i can use preware to both install and uninstall those things? Sep 30 14:34:47 yeah Sep 30 14:35:05 sweet, and I installed preware back on 1.1, but since its an app it still works fine? Sep 30 14:35:16 yeah Sep 30 14:35:59 can preware install everything webos-quickinstall could isntall in the past? Sep 30 14:36:07 yeah? Sep 30 14:36:26 i dunno why i was using quickinstall.... preware is connectionless.... Sep 30 14:37:45 should i update preware through preware-->Package Updates before i run that echo? Sep 30 14:38:08 i'm on v0.9.0 Sep 30 14:38:12 it should work nomatter what Sep 30 14:38:29 k sweet, i'll try it out now Sep 30 14:38:37 but 091 has a lot of fixes and updates Sep 30 14:42:51 * loot- crosses fingers Sep 30 14:43:10 i hope 1.2 doesnt explode my phone Sep 30 14:44:31 did 1.2 stop ssh access via putty or anything? Sep 30 14:45:28 or did it stop USBnet from working? Sep 30 14:46:14 jcrawford: i am blaming the phone. because it works just fine when on the touchstone. and i think it worked in 1.1, perhaps its a bug in 1.2 Sep 30 14:46:29 perhaps Sep 30 14:47:09 how will i ever achieve terminal access!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!? Sep 30 14:47:26 lol Sep 30 14:48:25 does anyone know if terminal access methods were also killed with the 1.2 update? Sep 30 14:48:34 they were not Sep 30 14:48:52 novaterm works fine Sep 30 14:48:54 okay, so then my USBnet just is being uncool Sep 30 14:48:55 ssh works fine Sep 30 14:49:03 usb net may need to be re-enabled Sep 30 14:49:10 aha! Sep 30 14:49:11 didn't think of that Sep 30 14:49:17 right Sep 30 14:49:25 remember they RE INSTALLED most of the OS. Sep 30 14:49:26 i can just do the wiki and all should be well Sep 30 14:49:31 nodnod Sep 30 14:51:56 perhaps i should disable and reenable the alarm... Sep 30 15:07:01 anyone experience odd dialer issues on 1.2 upgrade? got a friend who's dialer dances around when he goes to press a number Sep 30 15:08:53 ive had no problems Sep 30 15:13:24 it's possible he installed a theme over 1.2 .... that's bad right? Sep 30 15:17:42 nott advised currently probably Sep 30 15:17:58 bbut some themes arre finne Sep 30 15:23:00 Blue Knight... needs food baddly. Sep 30 15:23:30 Interesting. it seems the dialer is now a bunch of seperate images instead of one big one Sep 30 15:23:43 and its faster! Sep 30 15:29:41 how do i do the soft reset that i am supposed to do after preware installing the 4x4 launcher? Sep 30 15:31:05 luna manager Sep 30 15:31:07 gah my phone updated on me Sep 30 15:31:09 -.- Sep 30 15:31:29 luna manager? Sep 30 15:31:31 PreMan: /sbin/stop LunaSysMgr then /sbin/start LunaSysMgr Sep 30 15:31:45 oh, but i just installed 4x4 using preware, so without terminal access Sep 30 15:31:50 oh Sep 30 15:31:52 is there anyway to do it from the phone? Sep 30 15:31:56 besides a normal restart? Sep 30 15:31:57 luna manager Sep 30 15:32:11 what is this magical luna manager you speak of? Sep 30 15:32:21 open up the list of everything Sep 30 15:32:23 and type luna Sep 30 15:32:32 it's what runs the userinterface on the phone Sep 30 15:32:33 -.- Sep 30 15:32:43 yeah but i didnt know it was a program Sep 30 15:32:50 * Tilton53 facepalms Sep 30 15:33:04 okay so if i install that form preware then it will let me do the very soft reset? Sep 30 15:33:07 and when you open it hit "Restart Luna" Sep 30 15:33:24 okay, and it will do the much faster softer reset? Sep 30 15:33:35 right Sep 30 15:34:58 i love this place Sep 30 15:35:13 oil, downloading a theme in preware broke my bud's dialer. not surprising, just mentioning it Sep 30 15:35:30 zsoc: dont tell oil that Sep 30 15:35:34 he has nothing to do with themes Sep 30 15:35:43 PuffTheMagic, yeah but he has to do with preware :) Sep 30 15:35:46 bug the theme dev Sep 30 15:35:54 zsoc: themes dont have to do anything with preware Sep 30 15:35:54 AnOutsider isn't here :P Sep 30 15:36:01 preware is just a installer Sep 30 15:36:08 Well, they can be installed using it, just saying other people may complain :P Sep 30 15:36:08 thats it Sep 30 15:36:22 yeah Sep 30 15:36:29 and im saying u are complaining to the wrong person Sep 30 15:36:52 there is a "Maintainer" field for each ipkg Sep 30 15:37:25 Ok :) Sep 30 15:37:49 I was more wondering if he had a solution for a quick fix. honestly i doubt some kid who made this theme will have any idea how to fix it :P Sep 30 15:38:13 then dont use themes Sep 30 15:38:20 i don't use themes.... Sep 30 15:38:22 :P Sep 30 15:38:39 preware is a means to an end Sep 30 15:38:41 thats it Sep 30 15:38:44 I'm just surprised themes aren't... er.. regulated a little more. Sep 30 15:39:03 PuffTheMagic, wasn't blaming you or preware... i know exactly what you're saying, calm down mate :> Sep 30 15:39:09 we arent palm Sep 30 15:39:14 we are not restricting what people do Sep 30 15:39:20 we are making things available for people Sep 30 15:39:27 i didn't say YOU should be regulating it Sep 30 15:39:29 to do what they want with Sep 30 15:40:02 who's in charge of the themer feed? Saying maybe they could implement some sort of 'suggested format' :P all im saying Sep 30 15:40:24 zsoc themes come from a few different places Sep 30 15:40:27 anyway, i gotta run, bbl Sep 30 15:40:38 Tilton53, er, more than the prethemer feed? Sep 30 15:40:43 yes Sep 30 15:41:02 interesting. i'll be sure to look into that Sep 30 15:41:08 * zsoc poofs Sep 30 15:41:14 Also right now the temes are being hardcoded to replace creatin files Sep 30 15:41:19 palm changed the files Sep 30 15:41:20 <.< Sep 30 15:41:27 yeah i heard that :/ Sep 30 15:41:31 * zsoc poofs for real Sep 30 15:41:52 oil: you need to put a big fat warning in preware that you/we have nothing to do with the content in preware and not to bother you with stuff that doesnt have to do with how the installer works/looks Sep 30 15:43:49 you'd think that was a given Sep 30 15:43:51 -.- Sep 30 15:44:08 you don't really though, only some people think that you are required to waste all your time doing the stupid things that major companies are for like regulating all kinds of crap instead of making more cool innovative things and doing what you want Sep 30 15:44:47 Preware - The Non-Palm Installer Sep 30 15:44:48 I think webos-internals is the greatest thing the pre has Sep 30 15:45:09 without webos-internals, i probably would have given the pre back with my 30 days trial Sep 30 15:46:14 but you gotta be willing to brick if you don't read what works and what doesn't, but thats what eyes are for Sep 30 15:46:32 i dont think its possible to brick an omap3 Sep 30 15:47:12 brick wasnt hte right term i guess Sep 30 15:47:20 be in teh state where you have to use the doctor Sep 30 15:47:23 although i bricked on yesterday by removing a battery and putting it back in Sep 30 15:47:29 s/on/one/ Sep 30 15:47:29 PuffTheMagic meant: although i bricked one yesterday by removing a battery and putting it back in Sep 30 15:48:04 PreMan: ? Sep 30 15:48:21 i dunno, i was just rambling Sep 30 15:48:22 err PuffTheMagic: ? (bricked by putting a battery in ?) Sep 30 15:48:28 destinal_work: yup Sep 30 15:48:34 well anyway, gotta run Sep 30 15:48:39 taking out thebattery bricked it Sep 30 15:48:48 cause it was dead when i put the battery back in Sep 30 15:49:11 sprint had to give me another... labeled it electrical failure Sep 30 15:49:58 lol Sep 30 15:49:59 XD Sep 30 15:49:59 PuffTheMagic: I had one seem to die for a while put onto a friend's touchstone , it wouldn't charge on that touchstone or plugged directly into computer or charger. Not even a bootie logo though one did show up when said friend put his pre down on it or connected to said cables. Sep 30 15:50:30 Then I took my pre home and put it on my touchstone and now it's fine Sep 30 15:50:33 bizarre Sep 30 15:50:48 destinal_work: yeah thats sorta how this was Sep 30 15:50:53 but it never came back on Sep 30 15:51:03 destinal I would be freaking out Sep 30 15:51:03 XD Sep 30 15:51:18 I was seriously thinking I had a brick and would have to take it in Sep 30 15:51:46 the pre's are pretty hard to brick Sep 30 15:51:55 I think it's mostly hardware issues that brick them Sep 30 15:51:59 yeah, but electrical would be the way Sep 30 15:52:25 yeah, software there is like a million ways to recover it from webos doctor Sep 30 15:52:26 XD Sep 30 15:52:58 though I do need to use webdr right now Sep 30 15:53:06 damn phone updated to 1.2 overnight Sep 30 15:53:09 and now it half works Sep 30 15:53:11 -.- Sep 30 15:53:54 Tilton53: even if you write random bits over the whole flash disk and kill bootie so that doctor doesn't work, it should be possible to recover with an OMAP USB boot (again if the hardware is physically undamaged) Sep 30 15:54:14 Yes destinal I am well aware Sep 30 15:54:25 it's basicly impossible to kill it using software Sep 30 15:54:34 well I wouldn't say that Sep 30 15:54:44 Ok you really really really Sep 30 15:54:48 have to work at it Sep 30 15:54:50 malicious software can likely cause hardware damage Sep 30 15:55:21 yeah if you were to say write to the flash disk 4 million time into a few bits Sep 30 15:55:39 or say write the kernel to allow more then 600mhz and ramp the cpu up for a long time Sep 30 15:55:44 but short of that Sep 30 15:55:45 <.< Sep 30 15:56:31 OR Sep 30 15:56:44 yeah, and we don't know if things like certain GPIO or I2c controlled circuits including the charging circuit control have hardware limits or just trust the software never to put them into damaging modes of operation Sep 30 15:56:50 you use web-dr like I just did and it doesn't reboot or respond to the power key Sep 30 15:56:51 <.< Sep 30 15:56:55 brb battery pulling Sep 30 15:57:41 destinal somebody would have to buy a pre just for testin that Sep 30 15:57:48 and now it's booting hopefully Sep 30 15:57:49 XD Sep 30 15:58:11 even draining a Lithium ion battery completely can damage it or so I've heard, the pre has specific controls to avoid draining it beyond a certain point Sep 30 15:58:39 most batteries have built in charging circuits to prevent stuff like that from happening Sep 30 16:00:19 also when you activate a pre in the beginning Sep 30 16:00:28 it needs an option to first setup a wifi network Sep 30 16:00:34 <.< It'd be so much better Sep 30 16:01:02 50mb down a sec or the sprint 1x network? >.> hard choice there Sep 30 16:02:06 quick question: is turning "data usage" off in 1.2 the same as turning on roam only? Sep 30 16:02:35 or will it save the same amount of battery? Sep 30 16:03:30 it just means that your pre won't send data or the sprint/carrier network Sep 30 16:03:42 to use data services you will have to connected to wifi Sep 30 16:03:51 and no it's not the same as roaming Sep 30 16:03:58 and yes you might save some battery Sep 30 16:04:30 basically, i'm just trying to figure out if turning data usage off will save the same amount of battery as using the roam-only patch Sep 30 16:04:47 I am not sure but I would guess maybe more. Sep 30 16:05:05 Since your phone wouldn't be using ANY data on the cell network at all Sep 30 16:05:46 b/c if data usage is off then it can connect to any tower (sprint and roaming) but still not use EVDO therefore save battery and maybe have a stronger Sprint signal rather than just a roaming signal, right? Sep 30 16:06:11 it would proberly still connect using EVDO Sep 30 16:06:16 just wouldn't send data Sep 30 16:06:37 there should be a hack somewhere around to force the phone to only use 1x Sep 30 16:06:39 oh, ok. that was what i was trying to figure out. b/c evdo is a battery killer, right? Sep 30 16:06:46 that would help save battery Sep 30 16:06:55 sweet, thanx Sep 30 16:06:59 HebrewzHammer the whole phone eats battery life Sep 30 16:07:00 XD Sep 30 16:07:03 lol Sep 30 16:07:14 thanx for the help Sep 30 16:07:17 np Sep 30 16:23:45 i am hating my phone Sep 30 16:23:48 2nd one Sep 30 16:23:59 i am always roaming when my boss and fiance are not, same phones Sep 30 16:24:07 seems i am always on 1x data roaming Sep 30 16:24:12 ^^^ see there are other pissed off people Sep 30 16:24:17 and same for calls very seldom do i see the EV Sep 30 16:27:39 weird. Sep 30 16:27:54 but I have a suggestion....... Sep 30 16:28:11 not, of course, that you would actually DO something like this, Sep 30 16:29:02 but make a complete backup of the phone, and then short 40V across the battery terminals and take it in for a warranty replacement.. :-) -- It just died, I can't get it to do anything. Sep 30 16:30:21 not that I have any experiance at it, but I've been told that 5 or 6 9V batteries in series will burn out most any phone Sep 30 16:35:52 Microwave!! Sep 30 16:35:53 any1 familiar with setting up a dns for a home IP that changes? Sep 30 16:35:59 i did it on my pre Sep 30 16:36:00 that usually does it too Sep 30 16:36:15 but i forget if i need to do anything to send the ip to a site like dyndns.com Sep 30 16:36:33 mb someone knows off the top of their head? Sep 30 16:37:06 you did it on the pre but now you cant do it on your home pc? Sep 30 16:37:17 i followed instructions for the pre Sep 30 16:37:30 the pre ip changes all the time Sep 30 16:37:39 do i need mysql installed or somethign? Sep 30 16:37:51 mysql for dyndns...lol no Sep 30 16:38:07 i made the account and pointed it to my PC ip Sep 30 16:38:10 is that all i need to do? Sep 30 16:38:34 your PC ip probably changes too Sep 30 16:38:41 thought there was something else for when the ip changes it sends it to the dyndns site Sep 30 16:38:49 so it points to the new ip Sep 30 16:38:51 so you would probably want to run a program that updates the site for your home IP just like on the pre Sep 30 16:39:05 do you know what program it is/ Sep 30 16:39:13 what ever you use on the pre 99% change it works on your pc Sep 30 16:39:18 AZero: there are like 100 programs that do it Sep 30 16:39:22 idk what on you used Sep 30 16:39:35 just google dyn dns client Sep 30 16:39:36 can you name one program so i have somewhere to start looking Sep 30 16:39:40 ok Sep 30 16:39:46 ty Sep 30 16:42:34 Rick_work, i am sure that is detectable and will not warrant a replacement Sep 30 16:42:46 jcrawford: doubt it Sep 30 16:42:56 i've microwaved phones in the past :D Sep 30 16:43:13 i had to pay $100 for this replacement after having defective volume buttons and sprint not wanting to replace the phone Sep 30 16:43:16 pissed me off Sep 30 16:43:37 why should i have to pay for a defective phone, they said i could go through palm but would have to wait 2 weeks without my phone Sep 30 16:43:41 jcrawford: you should have argued better, button issues are definately mechanical/electgrical Sep 30 16:43:48 yea i know Sep 30 16:44:05 jcrawford: they probably feeding you bs since they had no phones in stock Sep 30 16:44:12 and want to save them for new customers Sep 30 16:44:20 i wonder why i have a giant Q Sep 30 16:44:22 sprint will hand them out now it seems Sep 30 16:44:41 my brother is on his 3rd free phone Sep 30 16:44:44 and my mom on 2nd Sep 30 16:44:49 s/phone/pre/ Sep 30 16:45:26 I'd probably have to go through Palm to get a defect corrected for free Sep 30 16:45:32 since I bought my phone (boxed and new) online Sep 30 16:45:51 but I have TEP in case I step on the thing or something Sep 30 16:45:52 tlp: shouldnt matter Sep 30 16:46:00 i bought mine at best buy Sep 30 16:46:02 i would probably be angry that the new pre's have the silver button instead of the nice glossy, pearly white led Sep 30 16:46:13 and they replaced it at the store when the touchscreen went Sep 30 16:46:15 PuffTheMagic: yeah, I guess they'd have no way of knowing anyway Sep 30 16:46:22 s/store/sprint store/ Sep 30 16:46:23 egaudet meant: and they replaced it at the sprint store when the touchscreen went Sep 30 16:46:25 antianalog: silver button? Sep 30 16:46:40 PuffTheMagic, the new phones have a silver center button instead of white Sep 30 16:46:42 antianalog: the new ones don't have the LED? I hadn't heard that Sep 30 16:47:11 its probably still and led Sep 30 16:47:14 just silvered Sep 30 16:47:22 like a mirror Sep 30 16:47:23 is there any callblock programs for the pre yet Sep 30 16:47:23 or something Sep 30 16:47:24 idk, but i would assume it's still led Sep 30 16:47:30 antianalog: are you sure? mine certainly *looks* silver but it is from the original batch Sep 30 16:47:35 microwaving workswell too PuffTheMagic good point. Sep 30 16:47:42 mine is original and it's white Sep 30 16:47:44 Not that I've ever done that. No No. Sep 30 16:48:25 antianalog: you could always try and takde the battery out Sep 30 16:48:29 antianalog: when you touch the gesture area mine lights up white, so standard deal, just looks a little silvery. I don't think they changed anything from any version that's ever been made Sep 30 16:48:35 that destroyed my moms phone ;) Sep 30 16:49:26 destinal_work: mine is more pinkish than silver Sep 30 16:49:31 dark pink Sep 30 16:49:34 when its not lit Sep 30 16:49:42 i see what you're saying Sep 30 16:49:53 and when it lights up its got a pinkish hue also Sep 30 16:49:58 interesting -- probably minor build variations Sep 30 16:50:07 my button is pearly white when the led is not lit up Sep 30 16:50:43 antianalog: ##RTN# Sep 30 16:50:51 see when the manufacture date is Sep 30 16:50:56 can't right now, updating to 1.2 Sep 30 16:51:03 i can check later Sep 30 16:51:10 when it was new i had to update the os to get the clock app Sep 30 16:51:45 PuffTheMagic: actdate or warrantydatecode ? Sep 30 16:52:30 I don't have a mfr date Sep 30 16:52:51 yeah i missspoke Sep 30 16:52:56 i thought it was a born on date :D Sep 30 16:53:06 why is my activatoin date and warranty date not the same Sep 30 16:53:26 you have to reactivate the phone everytime you use the webos doctor? Sep 30 16:53:29 I think there is a manufacture date somewhere Sep 30 16:53:50 antianalog: nah, it's date of first activation listed in RTN Sep 30 16:53:50 antianalog: both my dates are from july Sep 30 16:53:58 but i just activated it yesterday when i doctord it Sep 30 16:54:01 so that cant be right Sep 30 16:54:14 hmm Sep 30 16:54:20 i would think the warranty date and activation date would be the same Sep 30 16:54:24 im disturbed that its not Sep 30 16:54:30 they are not gonna screw me out of 2 weeks Sep 30 16:54:43 lol, you tell em PuffTheMagic Sep 30 16:54:45 yeah that's annoying, first act date is date of purchase Sep 30 16:54:54 they had better honor a year from then Sep 30 16:54:54 it might land in the microwave then :D Sep 30 16:55:05 PuffTheMagic: lol Sep 30 16:55:11 you could put it in a blendtec Sep 30 16:55:13 I have a putty question. I ran the optware-bootstrap script from a cmd terminal in windows, and all proceeded fine, but I cant putty in, I get a response of SSH-2.0-dropbear_0.52, and no login prompt, any suggestions? Sep 30 16:55:21 ever watch those videos of the guy blending iphones and ipods? lol Sep 30 16:55:40 Ron0001: try putty -ssh Sep 30 16:55:59 antianalog: i think he blended a ps3 too Sep 30 16:56:12 whoa, it fit? lol Sep 30 16:56:32 Ron0001: you're trying to connect via telnet, you need to connect with ssh Sep 30 16:57:36 destinal, thanks, I'm looking in the configuration setting to set it for ssh now Sep 30 16:58:59 Ron0001: if you've got a current version of putty, ssh is the default Sep 30 17:01:02 I thought so, not sure what I am missing Sep 30 17:02:11 the very first screen that opens when you run putty has host name, port, and type. type is raw / telnet / rlogin / ssh / serial (with ssh default) Sep 30 17:04:32 LOL, it was changing the port back to 22 and I didn't notice. Thanks! Sep 30 17:08:30 man I can't wait for webosquickinstall to get updated to 1.2 Sep 30 17:08:31 :/ Sep 30 17:08:37 that and all the patches Sep 30 17:10:13 Tilton53, preware + autopatch Sep 30 17:12:47 PuffTheMagic, my activation date is 6/6/2009 and my warranty is 5/16/2009 Sep 30 17:12:57 weird Sep 30 17:13:55 sweet Sep 30 17:14:00 :3 never saw that before Sep 30 17:14:03 thanks egaudet Sep 30 17:16:41 egaudet: any idea when autopatch will be default? Sep 30 17:16:58 when people are done testing it? :) Sep 30 17:19:18 "luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.applicationManager/rescan {} Sep 30 17:19:18 " << Doesn't seem to work in WebOS 1.2 Sep 30 17:19:19 O.o Sep 30 17:20:47 anyone noticed how much faster the UI is in 1.2? Sep 30 17:20:58 more accurate selecting too Sep 30 17:21:05 yes Sep 30 17:21:08 better gesture recognition Sep 30 17:21:13 now to see what the battery life is Sep 30 17:21:13 seems very spiffy so far Sep 30 17:21:22 >.> It's not worth it to lose an hr of battery life again Sep 30 17:21:25 yeah, I don't think it's just placebo. It feels snappier Sep 30 17:21:48 tlp probably tonight there will be an ipk released to add it easily, and it will be default in the next update of the ipkgservice I think maybe next week or something Sep 30 17:21:57 ah Sep 30 17:22:10 egaudet Will these be updatable patches Sep 30 17:22:13 actually Sep 30 17:22:16 Tilton53 Sep 30 17:22:21 it seems oddly better so far Sep 30 17:22:23 like if someone releases an update to it, we can just upgrade? Sep 30 17:22:26 Patch updates will probably always be "remove/install" Sep 30 17:22:27 i get horrible reception in my cubilce Sep 30 17:22:33 sucks down my entire battery during a day of work Sep 30 17:22:36 right now after doing 1.2? Sep 30 17:22:39 but you will see via preware that a patch needs an update Sep 30 17:22:43 i have 70% battery and its after 1pm already Sep 30 17:22:47 thats fine egaudet as long as I know there is an update Sep 30 17:22:48 XD Sep 30 17:22:57 yup yup Sep 30 17:23:02 Loot on 1.1 I installed the cet-cpuspeed daemon Sep 30 17:23:04 loot-: what battery are you using? and is that good for you? Sep 30 17:23:04 it was epic Sep 30 17:23:15 yea its not really cpu speed Sep 30 17:23:20 its the radio constantly searching for signal Sep 30 17:23:25 seems MUUUUUUCH better now in 1.2 though Sep 30 17:23:28 I went from like 7 hrs of light use battery life to a 12 hr day and still have 55% battery Sep 30 17:23:31 gkat: the stock one Sep 30 17:23:46 the stock one and you have 70%? wow... Sep 30 17:23:54 yea Sep 30 17:23:56 im SHOCKED Sep 30 17:24:13 im using the 1350 one and for some reason i have 60% now... Sep 30 17:24:23 XD Man I need to install the cet-cpuspeed and then take 1.2 back to my classes with me Sep 30 17:24:24 by now with 1.1 i'd be down towards 40-50% Sep 30 17:24:36 I'd love to make it over 24 hrs without charging Sep 30 17:24:38 <.< Sep 30 17:25:00 also Sep 30 17:25:01 Tilton53: get the 3600mAh battery. :) Sep 30 17:25:08 ive noticed that when the phone is under high load Sep 30 17:25:10 Can't use touchstone with it Sep 30 17:25:10 specifically CPU Sep 30 17:25:13 :/ Sep 30 17:25:15 it doesnt get nearly as hot as it use to Sep 30 17:25:55 sprint nav use to make my phone warm within minutes Sep 30 17:26:04 i ran it a minute ago while i was out at lunch and it didnt even change temp Sep 30 17:26:40 nice Sep 30 17:26:41 sprint nav for some reason has keep screen always on by default. which, for a phone, is idiotic Sep 30 17:26:46 now if they could only address the ridiculously long boot times... all my complaints would be addressed Sep 30 17:26:49 well Sep 30 17:26:55 not really gkatsev Sep 30 17:26:56 besides not being able to assign your own tone to incoming text and emails Sep 30 17:27:07 be useless if you couldn't see the gps Sep 30 17:27:15 XD yeah loot that is my compliant Sep 30 17:27:20 not the boot times but the sounds Sep 30 17:27:32 Tilton53: itll turn the screen on on messages? Sep 30 17:27:33 you can hack it if you root it up Sep 30 17:27:37 but its just not the same Sep 30 17:27:50 >.> I am waiting for palm to get the sounds fixed and then for someone to make a gps based profile manager Sep 30 17:28:14 I'd love for my phone to turn on wifi at home and work but when I am not there asume I am in my car and say turn on bluetooth Sep 30 17:28:22 im having fun trying to get a hardened kernel to boot Sep 30 17:28:29 works so far in the emulator no problems Sep 30 17:28:38 Emulator is i386 though Sep 30 17:28:38 didnt someone get selective airplane mode depending on time? Sep 30 17:28:41 and not arm Sep 30 17:28:42 but on the phone cross compiled for ARM it has issues Sep 30 17:28:47 yes gkatsev Sep 30 17:29:22 Tilton53: well im testing to make sure their software didnt do stupid crap like elf text relocations and privileged I/O Sep 30 17:29:26 Dude pretty soon the webos-internals wiki is gonna be like "Install preware, enjoy" Sep 30 17:29:27 XD Sep 30 17:29:30 which it seems to be ok Sep 30 17:29:38 i think the problem i have is the cross compiling Sep 30 17:29:52 i think some things are not being properly compiled Sep 30 17:29:58 yeah, can't you just compile the kernal directly on the phone? Sep 30 17:30:07 well you can but you need gcc Sep 30 17:30:08 yes it'd be slow as hell Sep 30 17:30:14 i dont mind the slow Sep 30 17:30:17 i wont compile often Sep 30 17:30:20 ipkg-opt doesn't have gcc? Sep 30 17:30:27 i just want a grsecurity patched kernel Sep 30 17:30:28 lol Sep 30 17:30:29 it does Sep 30 17:30:36 i just havent re-done optware Sep 30 17:30:40 ah Sep 30 17:30:44 i took the careful road Sep 30 17:30:46 before 1.2 Sep 30 17:30:51 i reverted most of my mods Sep 30 17:31:03 backed up the phone and all that carefully Sep 30 17:31:25 upgrade went smoothly but i cant entirely say it was because of my caution Sep 30 17:31:25 my first phone was silver that wore off over usage, the new one is a pearl tinged Sep 30 17:31:30 Yeah mine updated while I was sleeping and half bricked the OS Sep 30 17:31:47 i used webos dr to restore it Sep 30 17:31:57 sorry i was reading backlog and forgot it was not a live conversation lol i was talking about the button on the pre Sep 30 17:32:12 i take it folks are frantically upgrading optware packages? Sep 30 17:32:27 egaudet these patches need discriptions Sep 30 17:32:28 i have some weird ear icon by the wifi icon now Sep 30 17:32:31 lol so weird Sep 30 17:32:33 >.> Some of the names tell me shit Sep 30 17:32:44 it's in alpha Sep 30 17:32:45 antianalog: that means someone's eavesdropping on you Sep 30 17:32:48 :p Sep 30 17:32:52 i know just saying Sep 30 17:32:57 it means i replaced the new bar-assistant.js file with the old one Sep 30 17:33:01 but yea I put ??? for half the descriptions too Sep 30 17:33:17 anyone have an uneditted webos 1.2 bar-assistant.js file they could send me? Sep 30 17:33:27 /usr/lib/luna/system/luna-systemui/app/controllers/bar-assistant.js Sep 30 17:33:28 I don't want to manage every single patch for the pre. I will be getting patch creators familiar with the system etc... Sep 30 17:33:28 I saw Sep 30 17:33:29 XD Sep 30 17:33:33 antianalog: copyright means we can't but you can get it out of the doctor jar Sep 30 17:33:44 makes sense Sep 30 17:33:49 could you walk me through that? Sep 30 17:33:53 antianalog download the webos dr Sep 30 17:33:57 then open it in winrar Sep 30 17:34:03 ok thanks Sep 30 17:34:15 winrar can treat .jar as just compressed archives Sep 30 17:34:20 jar = zip Sep 30 17:34:26 this ^ Sep 30 17:34:33 with fancy startup script Sep 30 17:34:33 XD Sep 30 17:34:35 Tilton53, if you have a good title/description for a patch that you know what it is or what it is doing let me know Sep 30 17:34:52 k Sep 30 17:34:54 I don't even know what half of those patches do as I haven't gone through the specifics of em all Sep 30 17:35:11 https://ws.palm.com/SupportDownload/app Sep 30 17:35:18 wget doctor on the pre Sep 30 17:35:22 antianalog: no Sep 30 17:35:24 use optware unzip Sep 30 17:35:24 antianalog: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions Sep 30 17:35:34 :D Sep 30 17:35:38 download the jar that corresponds to you Sep 30 17:35:46 thank you destinal Sep 30 17:35:48 antianolg, the WebOS repair utility is working for 1.2 now Sep 30 17:36:06 sweet Ron0001 Sep 30 17:36:06 :D Sep 30 17:36:16 that's a huge savoir Sep 30 17:36:29 follow JayCanuck tweets Sep 30 17:36:54 thanks Sep 30 17:37:00 I think I do all right in here for a veterinarian ;) Sep 30 17:37:15 i tried to replace the file because the show actual battery percentage patch wasn't removing cleanly Sep 30 17:37:32 what's the size of the doctor? Sep 30 17:37:50 200mb Sep 30 17:40:07 I think I do all right in here for a veterinarian ;) < What does that have to do with your knowlege of webos and linux? Sep 30 17:40:13 knowledge* Sep 30 17:41:54 Tilton53, had to teach myself. I'm 42 and never looked at linux until the Pre came out Sep 30 17:42:03 XD Sep 30 17:42:05 Happens Sep 30 17:42:13 Linux is nice for a lot of things Sep 30 17:43:32 I do like understanding what my computer is doing and why. Linux makes sense that way Sep 30 17:45:33 yes in most cases it does Sep 30 17:45:34 :D Sep 30 17:45:44 sometimes it's a little like wtf Sep 30 17:45:45 XD Sep 30 17:46:21 egaudet do you want a list of patches that actually work with webos 1.2 right now? Sep 30 17:46:54 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Patches_to_webOS Sep 30 17:47:35 nvm Sep 30 17:48:00 feel free to update the wiki if you find anything wrong Sep 30 17:50:24 i have downloaded the webos doctor and i am viewing the files Sep 30 17:50:30 but i don't see the bar-assistant.js Sep 30 17:51:48 does anyone need a novacomd init script ? Sep 30 17:51:53 need/want Sep 30 17:52:51 egaudet updated "Email: Change Default Font for Replies/Forwards from Navy to Black << The Preware-AutoPatch version does not work with WebOS1.2 " Sep 30 17:53:05 ok somehow I've missed something: what is Autopatch? Sep 30 17:54:20 it's another repository for preware that includes all the patches Sep 30 17:54:40 so you don't need to use webos-quickinstall and hope it gets updated or quilt Sep 30 17:55:00 well at least quilt on a commandline Sep 30 17:55:17 kind of like how the virtual keyboard has been the whole time but for all the patches Sep 30 17:55:17 :D Sep 30 17:59:10 the controlling songs on the lock screen is awesome Sep 30 18:00:20 oh, they added that Sep 30 18:00:27 yep Sep 30 18:00:51 nice Sep 30 18:00:52 :D Sep 30 18:00:52 since they had the controls visible on the lock screen in previous versions. now you can finally access them Sep 30 18:01:06 too bad pandora still all but locks up the phone when showing its dashboard icon Sep 30 18:02:26 though, pandora doesnt work Sep 30 18:02:52 drpodder needs a dashboard Sep 30 18:03:35 drpodder needs to integrate a 150% playback speed option. which is when ill leave my mp3 player at home Sep 30 18:03:54 chipmunk podcasts ftw? Sep 30 18:04:29 oil: if its done right, the pitch doesnt change much. vlc and mplayer do it pretty well. Sep 30 18:04:35 hes using the default services though Sep 30 18:04:39 idk if they have a speed option Sep 30 18:04:55 i wonder Sep 30 18:05:36 thats the only thing i use my mp3 player for now, podcasts/audiobooks at 150% playback speed Sep 30 18:05:51 there is a thing called podshifter.com but it doesnt seem to work for me... Sep 30 18:07:32 i think that is my most wanted feature, atm. its just annoying to have to either switch the headphones to the pre or take the headphones out during a call. also, sometimes i miss calls because of that or because i didnt feel/hear it Sep 30 18:11:50 could it be that turning off gps is actually sucking more power from the battery? Sep 30 18:12:46 because im at 50% now and usually, im like at 70% since im using the 1350mAh battery Sep 30 18:12:50 gkatsev that's proberly less of a doctor pod issue and more of a palm not having the api Sep 30 18:13:28 Tilton53: probably. but i really want that... Sep 30 18:22:02 can i get backups of files from the webos doctor without recovering my phone? Sep 30 18:24:16 you can unarchive webosdr and get at the files, if thats what you mean Sep 30 18:26:16 extract it's files to a folder on the pc? Sep 30 18:26:26 yep Sep 30 18:26:29 i did that but i don't see the file i need Sep 30 18:26:34 it has 3 folders Sep 30 18:27:24 i have not done it myself so i cant help you, i just know its possible. anyone here done it and have time to help antianalog? Sep 30 18:33:12 http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/204495-webos-repair-utility.html Sep 30 18:33:16 cant you use the webos repair utility? Sep 30 18:33:18 i think this will help me Sep 30 18:33:24 too slow I am Sep 30 18:33:26 haha thanks Ron0001 Sep 30 18:33:33 i didn't know this existed Sep 30 18:35:47 battery life on 1.2 seems reasonably better for me, anyone else notice such? Sep 30 18:36:03 I'm getting ~30+ hours of idle time now Sep 30 18:36:14 before was ~22-ish Sep 30 18:37:34 I was lucky to get 18 hrs of standby time Sep 30 18:37:35 -.- Sep 30 18:44:34 anyone here heard of a $225 rebate on the pre's? Sep 30 18:50:23 Is the Preware autopatch feed automatically updated? Sep 30 18:54:58 depends what you mean Sep 30 18:57:36 Ron0001 it is Sep 30 18:57:41 but Sep 30 18:58:04 as egaudet said, it depends on what you mean. It's auto-updated as people push updates to the repository..... Sep 30 18:58:30 jcrawford no, there was the "free pre" promo that ended Monday through walmart. Sep 30 19:00:14 well i sent in my rebate on 2 phones and sprint responded by approving a check to be mailed to me for the amount of $450 Sep 30 19:00:19 that's why i was asking Sep 30 19:00:30 looks like i will have to call them and straighten this out Sep 30 19:00:56 jcrawford: you are getting more money than you were supposed to? Sep 30 19:01:06 gkatsev, yes Sep 30 19:01:11 $250 more than i am supposed to Sep 30 19:01:15 jcrawford: and you want to call them why? Sep 30 19:01:17 that sounds about right Sep 30 19:01:20 lol Sep 30 19:01:31 because i don't want to rip off a company that i want to be around for a while :D Sep 30 19:01:46 and i am honest' Sep 30 19:01:49 sprint aint going anywhere Sep 30 19:01:54 *sometimes Sep 30 19:02:00 PuffTheMagic, well in that case :D Sep 30 19:02:08 heh when a company gives you more than they should, their bad math almost always come back to site the consumer lol Sep 30 19:02:17 *bite rather Sep 30 19:02:57 http://paste2.org/p/445443 Sep 30 19:03:10 wtf http://opensource.palm.com/packages.html has no 1.2.0 Sep 30 19:03:15 uncorq, yea they can just bill my account to make up for it "D Sep 30 19:03:40 PuffTheMagic, quick sue them :D Sep 30 19:03:45 hehe Sep 30 19:03:55 Puff: yeah, I've been checking that constantly too :-p Sep 30 19:04:16 i need something to work on Sep 30 19:04:19 idk what to do Sep 30 19:05:00 you are supposed to have like 100 projects Sep 30 19:06:56 is that yahoo/live messenger hack on preware or is it just available through OSQI Sep 30 19:06:58 lol Sep 30 19:07:07 arguments have made me loose motivation on them Sep 30 19:07:28 * oil needs someone else to write the irc service Sep 30 19:07:32 what you call arguments I call discussion Sep 30 19:08:09 i guess i can go back to irc Sep 30 19:08:15 puff: write a mythtv client for the pre.. ;-) Sep 30 19:08:17 lol Sep 30 19:08:57 yea write a frontend for mythtv right now Sep 30 19:09:15 that actually might be easier than you think Sep 30 19:09:22 really? Sep 30 19:09:36 depends on how interactive you want it to be but yes Sep 30 19:10:00 streaming video/audio from mythtv would be tricky but the rest of it would be pretty simple stuff Sep 30 19:10:33 well the stream is the most important part lol Sep 30 19:10:46 why would you want that anyways? Sep 30 19:10:53 barely anyone has the upstream to stream over the internet Sep 30 19:10:59 and you'd be pushing the limits of the phone Sep 30 19:11:15 for audio it would be cool Sep 30 19:11:28 scheduling and stuff can already be done through mythweb. Sep 30 19:11:33 but for video you'd have to scale and re-encode the video before transport Sep 30 19:11:44 deal with limited upload speeds on peoples cable/dsl/etc Sep 30 19:12:01 and deal with random EVDO quirks with massive buffering Sep 30 19:12:55 and you really wouldnt want to use mythtv over wifi... why not just watch it on the TV if you're there :P Sep 30 19:13:01 why could would a mythtv frontend be Sep 30 19:13:09 there is no tuner card Sep 30 19:13:30 a way to watch what mythtv has recorded? Sep 30 19:13:38 oh.... Sep 30 19:13:42 a remote client Sep 30 19:13:53 the native front end was hacked to work on my nokia n810. streaming was working by just tweaking the video codecs in the mythtv setup. Sep 30 19:14:34 wh0dat: someone should try running the frontend in linux on the pre and find out what happens Sep 30 19:14:39 since i dont have a mythtv setup Sep 30 19:14:48 wh0dat: http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/205914-messaging-plugins-live-yahoo-icq.html Sep 30 19:15:02 the backend needs the tuner card not frontend Sep 30 19:16:13 right i know Sep 30 19:16:16 PuffTheMagic: its not gonna run without xwindows lol Sep 30 19:16:26 wh0dat: it dont support directfb? Sep 30 19:16:28 Woot! almost have a Flickr Uploadr app working Sep 30 19:17:03 puff: I dont think so Sep 30 19:17:08 http://www.gentoo-wiki.info/HOWTO_Setup_MythTV_in_Framebuffer Sep 30 19:17:12 i think so Sep 30 19:17:21 oh... lol ;) Sep 30 19:18:26 oil: yeah i was reading that post earlier this morning. just wondered if it was on preware yet. Sep 30 19:18:58 i dont think so Sep 30 19:20:08 i just realized after running the doctor i have to not only install preware apps but ssh and optware and everything. Sep 30 19:31:03 yep Sep 30 19:32:25 wow oil Sep 30 19:32:38 That one plugin makes me happy I did a clean 1.2 install on my pre Sep 30 19:32:39 XD Sep 30 19:33:04 what plugin tilton? Sep 30 19:33:48 http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/205914-messaging-plugins-live-yahoo-icq.html Sep 30 19:34:25 "It seems there is a huge difference between the Palm database that stores IM information on a clean 1.2 Pre and an upgraded Pre from 1.1. My testers were all clean 1.2 uses and my emulator is obviously clean 1.2. I must appologise. I will fix this up ASAP. Please check back shortl" Sep 30 19:35:44 Why do people want to read books on a iphone/pre sized screen? Sep 30 19:36:02 it could be useful on subways and trains chrisa Sep 30 19:36:10 also maybe newspapers Sep 30 19:36:18 or quick textbooks refrences Sep 30 19:36:20 i would never read a book on the pre Sep 30 19:36:23 fuq that :D Sep 30 19:39:13 It's nice to have a stack of books on an ipod on a plane Sep 30 19:39:28 audiobooks ftw! Sep 30 19:39:30 read 3 novels from SF to Detroit and back that way Sep 30 19:39:36 ive read books on my old centro! worked great Sep 30 19:39:42 maybe its just me Sep 30 19:39:45 I read a whole lot faster than audiobooks, and I want music too Sep 30 19:39:48 it's best to not be on a plane. Sep 30 19:39:49 but if im reading a book Sep 30 19:39:52 i like to hold it Sep 30 19:39:54 turn the pages Sep 30 19:39:55 etc Sep 30 19:40:00 i drive unless the trip crosses a pond. Sep 30 19:40:01 its not hte same on a screen Sep 30 19:40:05 Of course, I also read whole novels on old school palm devices Sep 30 19:40:20 Well, a 5 hour flight is a lot different than a 5 day drive :) Sep 30 19:40:30 5 day? Sep 30 19:40:32 damn so oil that new messenger breaks AIM and gtalk Sep 30 19:40:34 -.- Sep 30 19:40:36 i can get across the US in one day. Sep 30 19:40:43 there is no 5 day drive. Sep 30 19:40:51 unless you're talking Canada to Argentina. Sep 30 19:40:53 Okay, so 1 day drive is a lot different than a 5 hour dlight Sep 30 19:40:58 even then I think I could beat 3 days. Sep 30 19:40:58 s/dlight/flight/ Sep 30 19:40:58 lmorchard meant: Okay, so 1 day drive is a lot different than a 5 hour flight Sep 30 19:41:24 i'm in texas, so nowhere in the US is over 16 hours, really. Sep 30 19:41:40 with pre to swipe on screen you can hold it and pretend like you are turning pages oil Sep 30 19:41:40 and i'll take a 16 hour drive over a 5 hour flight, for sure. Sep 30 19:41:53 cause you add drive time to the airport and wait time and you're at 8-9 hours already. Sep 30 19:42:05 Your mileage may vary, then Sep 30 19:45:15 I think it's time we move advanced homebrew off of using ipkg -o /var Sep 30 19:45:29 dang, i'd take the 5 hour flight :) Sep 30 19:46:31 bougyman: what part you live in? Sep 30 19:46:58 HattCzech: nothr central Sep 30 19:47:14 so austin or dallas? or more north? Sep 30 19:47:14 arlington, currently, between dallas and fort worth. Sep 30 19:47:21 gotcha Sep 30 19:47:29 new home of the Cowgirls. Sep 30 19:47:41 cowgirls? Sep 30 19:47:45 i hate paying taxes for them. Sep 30 19:48:24 hrmm Sep 30 19:48:27 what are you talking about? Sep 30 19:48:31 SF 4 hours Sep 30 19:48:39 Phoenix 3 hours Sep 30 19:48:44 New Orleans 1 1/2 hour flight Sep 30 19:48:53 Houston, 30 minutes Sep 30 19:48:57 the Dallas Vowgirld.s. Sep 30 19:49:00 LA 4 hours Sep 30 19:49:04 er the Dallas Cowgirls. Sep 30 19:49:13 * psykoz grins Sep 30 19:49:28 At least you don't live in Denton Sep 30 19:49:32 or Highland Park Sep 30 19:49:33 ;) Sep 30 19:49:44 psykoz: it's more like 40min to houston ;) haha Sep 30 19:49:48 There's always Garland too Sep 30 19:49:54 ohhh, denton, lol Sep 30 19:50:14 Dallas is boring, I mean Fort Worth is even more fun than Dallas Sep 30 19:50:52 seriously? i figured the D was better than the FW... Sep 30 19:50:56 I used to spend a bit of time in Dallas, Deep Ellum, Lower Greenville, etc Sep 30 19:50:58 but haven't been to FW, so don't really know Sep 30 19:51:09 Only thing neat about Dallas is there's a weird goth scene there Sep 30 19:51:14 weirdly huge* Sep 30 19:51:56 HattCzech, Fort Worth is where it is at, at night time, and its art district is actually a shitton cooler than D Sep 30 19:52:03 it really is. Sep 30 19:52:20 Dallas shuts down at 9pm Sep 30 19:52:27 sweet, i'll make an effort to go there next time i head north Sep 30 19:52:28 No one wants to be there ;) Sep 30 19:52:42 HattCzech, where do you live? Sep 30 19:52:47 austin Sep 30 19:53:24 cool Sep 30 19:53:31 Houston here Sep 30 19:53:37 hopefully i can stick around :) Sep 30 19:53:40 yeah, i'm from houston Sep 30 19:53:49 Not Houston proper though, I live near Kemah Sep 30 19:53:58 <-- coastal boy Sep 30 19:54:00 ahhh, south-eastish side Sep 30 19:54:02 who wants to do somet testing for me? Sep 30 19:54:13 what kind of testing? Sep 30 19:54:24 anyone with virtual keyboard and command line comfort Sep 30 19:54:27 who wants to find me a job? :D hahaha Sep 30 19:54:38 i can give it a shot, let me install the keyboard Sep 30 19:54:47 HattCzech, I need someone to uninstall the keyboard via ipkg -o /var without running the prerm script Sep 30 19:55:01 ok Sep 30 19:55:02 so be prepared to repair the files with the doctor image Sep 30 19:55:07 if you want to do this Sep 30 19:55:13 i plan to wipe my device soon, so i have no issues breaking it Sep 30 19:55:31 uh oh, which files would i be repairing? Sep 30 19:55:56 (not sure if i'm ready to hit the big red button QUITE yet, but soon) Sep 30 19:56:04 if it just breaks the keyboard, then whatever Sep 30 19:56:36 ahh nm I already know the answer Sep 30 19:56:50 i can help egaudet considering my pre is fresh as is from my advantures last night Sep 30 19:56:52 haha, okay, so what's the answer? Sep 30 19:57:02 well what was the question Sep 30 19:57:16 also a reasonable question ;) Sep 30 19:57:36 lol well basically the keyboard does an ipkg -o /var remove on a failed install Sep 30 19:57:52 if it didn't i wanted to make sure a failed install would show up in preware after a preware restart Sep 30 19:57:58 failed as in postinst failure Sep 30 19:58:35 so now I have to re-think my reasons for putting the ipkg -o /var remove in postinst on failure Sep 30 19:58:46 because people are installing keyboard, then doing partial/full erases Sep 30 19:58:56 which removes ipkg info of keyboard but keeps files patched Sep 30 19:59:30 hum... what happens if they reinstall keyboard? does it fail because of the patched files? Sep 30 20:01:16 howdy Sep 30 20:02:42 Jack87, yea Sep 30 20:02:53 and since the postinst fails, it runs a ipkg -o /var remove Sep 30 20:02:58 there's no way to uninstall again now Sep 30 20:03:34 how about making a repair app in preware for those who partial/full erase Sep 30 20:03:56 just strickly for the keyboard patch a repair file for it Sep 30 20:03:57 in preware, no Sep 30 20:04:14 why is that? Sep 30 20:04:16 preware is a generic homebrew installer, it should never care about specific packages Sep 30 20:04:30 no.. Sep 30 20:04:33 a new package Sep 30 20:04:41 oh Sep 30 20:04:57 yea well I have no idea what patch version they used to apply it so i can't really make a repair app for it Sep 30 20:04:58 not built into preware jsut a package the repairs the keyboard patched files Sep 30 20:05:04 but once keyboard goes into autopatch system EPR will handle it Sep 30 20:05:18 oh ok Sep 30 20:05:35 do you think you can make epr into a actual app? Sep 30 20:05:49 no Sep 30 20:06:09 bassicaly make an app for patching almost another package handler for patches only Sep 30 20:06:14 it would require a service and I think is better served as a script Sep 30 20:06:40 seems like it could use the same service preware uses Sep 30 20:06:53 that has been discussed during the last month of discussions on how to handle patching, but users would rather one installer not multiple installers for different things Sep 30 20:07:38 no matter how hard we try we can't make patching pretty because it's a dirty process Sep 30 20:07:57 it seems like a patch handler app my be a little more usful to allow for removal of certain patches in an emergency situation instrad of all Sep 30 20:08:42 It can't because of dependencies Sep 30 20:09:03 you can have 5 patches touching the same file, you don't want to allow the user to "emergency recover" one of those patches Sep 30 20:09:08 i see. perhaps a packaged script to repair the keyboard just have to figure out what they used Sep 30 20:09:31 Since 1.2.0 only has one patch version I can make a repair package for them yea Sep 30 20:09:47 I KNOW what patch they had to use for 1.2.0 install Sep 30 20:09:55 so I can fix that, I'm just thinking going forward Sep 30 20:10:06 but I guess going forward autopatch covers it Sep 30 20:10:16 ya.. Sep 30 20:10:26 and I still want to argue the case with everyone that we need to stop using palms /var/usr/palm/applications area for advanced homebrew Sep 30 20:10:30 it seems like its something to deal with as it comes Sep 30 20:14:23 where should the advanced homebrew go you think? Sep 30 20:14:55 all that talk about microwaving pres has made me hungry Sep 30 20:15:59 Could someone look into this? http://tiny.cc/szn20 Sep 30 20:16:48 replace the icon with the image instead of it being on the right? Sep 30 20:16:56 Indeed Sep 30 20:17:22 hmmm Sep 30 20:17:44 not a coder yourself? Sep 30 20:18:24 I dont know enough Sep 30 20:18:32 fair enough Sep 30 20:18:42 Hey all... anyone know what font is used for the global search icons? Sep 30 20:18:48 I can pinpoint areas and what they do, but I couldn't type new code in Sep 30 20:18:51 doesn't seem like it would be too difficult, but right now i don't have time Sep 30 20:19:16 you'd already have the information, you'd just be reorganizing it Sep 30 20:19:27 I know :p Sep 30 20:19:34 Seems like the html needs changed Sep 30 20:19:43 dashboard-message.html Sep 30 20:20:35 yeah, probably Sep 30 20:20:52 let me check it real quick... Sep 30 20:21:03 its message-info.html in the messaging app Sep 30 20:23:18 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cX4t5-YpHQ Sep 30 20:23:19 and if there's no picture? Sep 30 20:23:20 hahaha Sep 30 20:23:25 default to the icon? Sep 30 20:23:31 Preferably Sep 30 20:23:36 but one step at a time works Sep 30 20:23:55 Also, what about multiple messages? Sep 30 20:24:02 Tricky tricky right? :p Sep 30 20:24:05 whos marketing idea was this! holy shit Sep 30 20:24:08 each one should have a picture (hopefully) Sep 30 20:24:14 did anyone see that house party video Sep 30 20:25:13 I wish I could test it Hatt but my Pre is broken lol Sep 30 20:25:15 i am sorry ahead of time to those who are going to watch the whole 6min Sep 30 20:25:49 i got bored about 15seconds in... stuck around for a min Sep 30 20:25:51 hahaha Sep 30 20:26:29 can you believe that shit! holly crapp Sep 30 20:26:46 really like windows 7 but this sure is not the best marketing theme Sep 30 20:27:08 already got my copy of win7 pro :) Sep 30 20:27:22 now i just need to replace my current eval copy i have installed :) Sep 30 20:27:29 win7 ultimate for me :) Sep 30 20:27:53 meh, i won't use the ultimate features... and can't complain with free :) Sep 30 20:28:37 win7 is trully really nice.. i was helping a student today on their win vista computer it is unbeivable that it was ever a full release.. sucks ass Sep 30 20:28:45 urg, CVs are the devil... why do i have a resume, then need to make a CV? urg Sep 30 20:29:01 yeah, skipped that shit, straight from xp to 7 Sep 30 20:29:09 win7++ Sep 30 20:29:11 like wise HattCzech Sep 30 20:30:03 i'll be skipping windows from now until eternity Sep 30 20:30:08 hahaha Sep 30 20:30:14 mac or linux for you? Sep 30 20:30:20 dont you love how they disabbled ability to add comments Sep 30 20:30:33 linux Sep 30 20:30:51 egaudet, win7 is truly nice... you might like it... i didnt think i was going to Sep 30 20:30:59 i like linux... but if i ever get back into my gaming addiction, i need windows :) Sep 30 20:31:13 bingo HattCzech Sep 30 20:31:46 win7 is in virtual box and haven't opened it for a long while Sep 30 20:32:01 the less I touch my mouse the better Sep 30 20:33:15 i keep my gaming addictions to consoles :P Sep 30 20:33:41 heheheh, yeah, mine has been going that way lately as well Sep 30 20:33:48 but games are so much more expensive Sep 30 20:34:02 i like my EA connection and $10 a game ;) Sep 30 20:34:07 (PC only) Sep 30 20:34:14 it is really ridiculous. Isn't there some cloud gaming console supposed to be in the works Sep 30 20:34:18 and a linux console too Sep 30 20:34:32 ps3? ;) Sep 30 20:34:33 games at $60 are stupid though, that structure needs to change Sep 30 20:34:43 evo or something Sep 30 20:35:39 i cant do controlers Sep 30 20:35:51 mouse and keyboard all the way for me much more fast pase Sep 30 20:36:34 http://www.evosmartconsole.com/htversion/features.html Sep 30 20:38:37 http://www.onlive.com/ Sep 30 20:44:37 so quick question, how much of a diff is there between the leaked 1.2 Sep 30 20:44:40 and the official? Sep 30 20:45:01 is it worth me putting the official on? Sep 30 20:45:09 Why would you keep the leaked? Sep 30 20:46:12 there isnt much of a difference at all sportman Sep 30 20:46:42 one reason to keep it leaked Abyssul is that if you disabled updates which most people with leaked 1.2 did it makes it a pain to update to the official Sep 30 20:47:06 WebOS Doctor :) Sep 30 20:47:10 it attempted to install 1.1 on my pre before it could go to 1.2 resulting in a "bricked" pre... i had to doctor it Sep 30 20:47:11 how should i update to official Sep 30 20:47:14 can i grab 1.2 officail Sep 30 20:47:17 and us webos doctor Sep 30 20:47:25 doctor is best solution sportman Sep 30 20:47:35 someone point me to a link of the official ;) :D Sep 30 20:47:42 http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/ash994djslspam356z/s2x56ydt/webosdoctorp100ewwsprint.jar Sep 30 20:47:58 remember to back up your photos and stuff Sep 30 20:51:22 and dont use palm profile for contacts :) Sep 30 20:52:17 why? Sep 30 20:52:47 Myself and a friend had our contacts lost when useing it Sep 30 20:53:31 It has to do with having multiple Pre's or something, but when we would load our Profiles after doctoring, only like 3 contacts would restore Sep 30 20:53:33 oh the backup server went down eh Sep 30 20:53:37 and there are various other reports too Sep 30 20:53:43 how do you manage contacts then? Sep 30 20:53:49 Gmail Sep 30 20:53:53 oops google :) Sep 30 20:54:17 how do u add them to the gmail contact list Sep 30 20:54:23 *google Sep 30 20:54:26 vs the pre one Sep 30 20:54:29 when u add a new number Sep 30 20:54:46 you can make gmail/googlecontacts be the default Sep 30 20:54:50 ok Sep 30 20:54:51 Indeed^ Sep 30 20:55:14 Just a warning, because it's happened and Palm doesn't have a fix Sep 30 20:55:20 i started using it as my default rather then exchange when i got my google voice Sep 30 21:03:30 i always use google as the default Sep 30 21:03:46 firstly because google can sync with muiltple phones types Sep 30 21:03:55 Google is skynet... Sep 30 21:04:00 so my blackberry and pre have the same contacts Sep 30 21:04:00 :D Sep 30 21:04:04 and calenders Sep 30 21:04:17 i wish i didn't hate the idea of handing google all my contact info Sep 30 21:04:25 meh Sep 30 21:04:33 what's the alternitive? Sep 30 21:04:33 I dont care Sep 30 21:04:35 i hate giving google data. but it's the new universal sync Sep 30 21:04:48 If you hate sharing info with the web, then you picked the wrong OS Sep 30 21:04:53 Its WEBos :p Sep 30 21:04:57 not the web, just google Sep 30 21:05:02 hehe terminator! Sep 30 21:05:03 i don't hate the web, just google... Sep 30 21:05:18 I wub google though lol Sep 30 21:05:27 would be good if it could sync contacts/calendar with a private dav server Sep 30 21:05:29 works fine for me, anyway... i don't have that many contacts and i just use palm's import tool Sep 30 21:05:48 mikewx i don't think that would be hideously difficult Sep 30 21:06:06 i keep meaning to dig into the pre's contact db Sep 30 21:06:08 i user gogole to keep thunderbird/calendar/pre all synced though. ti's very nice but if i could host my own i'd drop google like a bad habit that it is Sep 30 21:07:03 Jack87: you having troubles with the messaging plugin? Sep 30 21:07:11 I could tech host my own exchange server Sep 30 21:07:21 Abyssul I lost access to my gtalk and aim buddies Sep 30 21:07:34 I don't think they are able to login Sep 30 21:07:35 :/ Sep 30 21:07:38 Ya. I told Greg to pull that out so people don't screwe up their phones lol Sep 30 21:07:41 but msn is working Sep 30 21:07:45 XD Sep 30 21:07:50 Ya, thats what most people are reporting Sep 30 21:08:12 It might have to do with the updated version of libpurple he installs? Sep 30 21:08:12 We had it working perfectly for 1.1, but then 1.2 comes out the next day and chaos ensures Sep 30 21:08:13 O.o Sep 30 21:08:23 There are a number of reasons Sep 30 21:08:23 yeah well 1.2 changed a ton of shit Sep 30 21:09:07 Not really too much :\ Sep 30 21:09:47 is it possible to run mplayer in the terminal and have it output sound to speakers/headphones? Sep 30 21:09:58 Not that I know of Sep 30 21:10:14 doesn't luna take over the inputs and outputs when it is running? Sep 30 21:10:19 trying to do wireless sound from your pre to your PC? lol Sep 30 21:10:52 I want a Zune Media remote :) Sep 30 21:10:54 Abyssul: no, as i said many times, i like listening to audiobooks/podcasts at 150% playback speed. which the pre doesnt support natively. Sep 30 21:10:54 i want to do that using pulse over the network Sep 30 21:11:08 Im sorry. Your question is worded wierdly Sep 30 21:11:09 so, thinking of ways to do that Sep 30 21:11:35 and mplayer is able to do that Sep 30 21:12:29 if that makes sense Sep 30 21:33:17 gkatsev why don't you just install mplayer and try? Sep 30 21:33:18 XD Sep 30 21:38:20 Hmm on futher testing Sep 30 21:38:31 it seems gtalk does work and only aim is broken Sep 30 21:39:34 on further guessting Sep 30 21:39:35 errr Sep 30 21:39:46 * dBsooner had a BLAST today as a WatchDOG at my girls' school! Sep 30 21:39:47 :) Sep 30 21:39:58 O.o Sep 30 21:40:00 what? Sep 30 21:40:03 That sounds a bit wrong Sep 30 21:40:04 o.O!!! Sep 30 21:40:23 It's called the "Watch D.O.G.S." program Sep 30 21:40:28 "Dads of Great Students" Sep 30 21:40:36 dirty ol' girls @ school Sep 30 21:40:37 oh Sep 30 21:40:49 http://fathers.com/watchdogs Sep 30 21:41:10 neat! Sep 30 21:41:25 seems a bit discriminatory though, only dads of GREAT students Sep 30 21:41:34 mediocre and poor students get no fathers Sep 30 21:42:22 I know Sep 30 21:42:35 so whut did you do Sep 30 21:42:35 Shame on those students for doing do bad they lose their parents Sep 30 21:42:37 :/ Sep 30 21:43:03 I started at 815 by unloading kids in the car line Sep 30 21:43:13 what grade ? Sep 30 21:43:18 then took a pic with my girls' for the Wall of Fame Sep 30 21:43:28 then spent 20 mins in my 1st graders class Sep 30 21:43:29 There you go again, isn't it dangerous putting kids in the car line? Sep 30 21:43:30 and what do u unload a bunch of kids with? forklift? Sep 30 21:43:47 lol Sep 30 21:43:51 they pull through the car lines Sep 30 21:43:54 ooo i c Sep 30 21:43:55 and pull up to stop Sep 30 21:44:00 you open the door to let the kids out Sep 30 21:44:02 * raeb_ has no kids, apparently Sep 30 21:44:05 then that group drives off Sep 30 21:44:10 next group comes in Sep 30 21:44:18 and you make sure nobody gets run over, etc Sep 30 21:44:24 anyway.. then 15 mins of walking around the building making sure all is secure Sep 30 21:44:38 lol, make sure they can't escape Sep 30 21:44:41 then 20 mins in my Kindergartener's class Sep 30 21:44:53 then another 15 walking around Sep 30 21:45:39 very cook' Sep 30 21:45:41 then 30 in a 1st graders class, but spent it with a little boy in the library for a one on one reading session so he could take an Accelerated Reader test. Sep 30 21:45:48 s/cook'/cool/\ Sep 30 21:46:10 then helped the pre-k am kids get into their cars Sep 30 21:46:21 right, cuz they're only there half a day Sep 30 21:46:33 so that means lunchtime! Sep 30 21:46:54 then lunch with my kindergarterner.. then lunch with my 1st grader, then outside for the last 15 mins of my K's recess, then all my 1st graders recess.. then out there fo r 2nd and 3rd grade recess Sep 30 21:47:00 then to another class for 30 mins Sep 30 21:47:15 had a 3rd grader read a "Spongebob" comic to me Sep 30 21:47:53 then emptied a couple recycle bins into the recycle dumpster and then 30 mins in another 3rd grade class where 4 students and I read a book and had 'group discussion' on it. Sep 30 21:48:04 public school ? Sep 30 21:48:06 then I had to stay and help all the kids get into their cars after school Sep 30 21:48:09 yeah.. Public Sep 30 21:48:13 very cool Sep 30 21:48:15 so anyway.. 815am till 404pm Sep 30 21:48:20 But it was a blast. Sep 30 21:48:29 All the kids love the "watch dogs" Sep 30 21:48:34 you are a rockstar when you are there Sep 30 21:48:49 thats cool Sep 30 21:48:53 I have a pic, I'll upload to flickr in a few Sep 30 21:49:04 volunteering > complaining about education budget cuts Sep 30 21:49:07 I think its a great program. Sep 30 21:49:13 (is greater than, lol) Sep 30 21:49:14 yes it is. Sep 30 21:49:27 And gives me a reason to b*tch about the cuts Sep 30 21:49:45 (plus most elementary teachers are young and.. umm.. yeah) Sep 30 21:50:33 so anyway.. I actually am very glad I did it. Sep 30 21:50:39 and have signed up to do it next wed too Sep 30 21:50:47 and will probably try to do two a month. Sep 30 21:50:56 Now for webOS. :D Sep 30 21:51:45 If I may ask an ontopic question...I while ago I asked about Preware autopatch automatically updating. Why are the dates different for the enable-landscape-email.patch? Sep 30 21:52:32 what do you mean Ron0001? Sep 30 21:52:56 what dates are there? Sep 30 21:53:17 Git says 30 Sep 16:41, and Preware has 9/27/09 Sep 30 21:53:56 hmm Sep 30 21:53:57 one sec Sep 30 21:54:40 the patch maintainer updated the patch on gitorious but is most likely unaware of autopatch as of now Sep 30 21:55:06 gitorious is source control, now it has to be "tagged and released" Sep 30 21:55:29 ok, so "in due time" Sep 30 21:55:57 I jsut didnlt want to install something that was not updated for 1.2 Sep 30 21:56:16 Ron0001, don't worry about installing Sep 30 21:56:28 if it's not compatible it won't apply and just give you error installing with no ill side effects Sep 30 21:57:11 fair enough, I was not sure to what level that had been implemented yet Sep 30 21:58:10 I think I'm going to announce it on precentral tonight Sep 30 21:58:32 On that note, I'm heading home. It was fun following all here today. g'nite. Sep 30 21:59:17 night Sep 30 22:01:21 hi - i've been trying to setup a cygwin based cross-compile environment following the wiki without a lot of luck. anyone have advice (or an example) of giving the right flags to configure to build for the right target? Sep 30 22:01:40 I just noticed when downloading an attachment in the email program and the screen goes blank, wifi doesnt get turned off Sep 30 22:01:54 PuffTheMagic, Sep 30 22:02:29 What was the screenshot shortcut? Sep 30 22:08:41 egaudet: why do u type my name with nothing else next to it? Sep 30 22:09:00 chrisa: orange + sym + p? Sep 30 22:09:37 lazy ping? Do you want that auotopatch feed insertion ipk made to pym toda Sep 30 22:09:40 today* Sep 30 22:11:29 * oil is completely shocked Sep 30 22:12:52 egaudet: why is there a giant q on my screen??? Sep 30 22:13:16 Jack87: windows 7 launch party? wtf? Sep 30 22:13:17 huh? Sep 30 22:13:41 a giant version of the vk's q key is overlaying my wallpaper! Sep 30 22:13:45 it's an operating system, right? Sep 30 22:13:51 complete with blue / Sep 30 22:14:02 not like, tupperware or something Sep 30 22:14:08 Mousey, I wouldn't know? Sep 30 22:14:13 it's vk tho! Sep 30 22:14:20 * Mousey grumbles and tries changing wallpapers Sep 30 22:14:21 wallpaper randomizer app? Sep 30 22:14:29 selecting image from media partition Sep 30 22:14:31 it's a vk image... Sep 30 22:14:35 it's not the wallpaper tho, it's overlayed over the wallpaper Sep 30 22:14:47 i can see the wallpaper behind the giant q key Sep 30 22:14:49 screenshot it Sep 30 22:14:52 lol Sep 30 22:15:12 how do i screenshot again? Sep 30 22:15:17 orange-symb something Sep 30 22:15:46 p for picture Sep 30 22:15:59 why can't it be for photo Sep 30 22:16:00 q for quaker Sep 30 22:16:03 where does it save it? Sep 30 22:16:12 it could be Sep 30 22:16:16 cuz photo starts with an "F" Sep 30 22:16:24 duh Sep 30 22:16:34 nm, found it Sep 30 22:17:38 destinal_work, haha ya crazy huh.. did you sit through the whole thing? i am sorry Sep 30 22:17:53 oh what the hell Sep 30 22:18:10 i looks like vk shat all over my photos app??? Sep 30 22:18:22 * Mousey screencaps again Sep 30 22:18:59 or you take some nasty photos Sep 30 22:19:24 hehe.. looks like the photo app is parsing every img it finds anywhere on the thing maybe? Sep 30 22:19:46 Mousey it supports png now and is finding all images on /media/internal Sep 30 22:20:00 that looks like part of the problem now, yah Sep 30 22:20:07 the keyboard package has already been updated to hide its images Sep 30 22:20:51 oil: u were shocked yesterday when i said this Sep 30 22:21:02 oil: so u cant be shocked today Sep 30 22:21:05 bet i'm on an old ver Sep 30 22:21:09 unless you have brain damage :D Sep 30 22:21:12 egaudet: i dont care Sep 30 22:21:17 get it into some feed Sep 30 22:21:33 the shocked state has carried over Sep 30 22:21:43 i spent all night in a blank stare at the screen Sep 30 22:21:57 why are you shocked Sep 30 22:22:00 im still not gonna use it Sep 30 22:22:01 :D Sep 30 22:22:06 i dont care if others want to Sep 30 22:22:09 I want it on pym just for the irony Sep 30 22:22:23 go for it Sep 30 22:22:24 :P Sep 30 22:22:52 But that will be later, I gotta go gather updated patches from a few places Sep 30 22:23:20 pym? Sep 30 22:23:28 oh Sep 30 22:23:29 nm Sep 30 22:23:35 wait, no Sep 30 22:23:37 what? Sep 30 22:24:57 preyourmind.org Sep 30 22:25:09 the site no one knows/cares about Sep 30 22:26:11 oh Sep 30 22:26:16 * Mousey forgets, and stops caring Sep 30 22:26:54 lol Sep 30 22:27:20 didnt you put a link to it on the top of the wiki? Sep 30 22:27:31 no Sep 30 22:27:38 lol Sep 30 22:27:40 i wanted to Sep 30 22:28:00 but im afraid to do anything on webosinternal's offical * Sep 30 22:28:41 WOW! photo and my wallpaper are magically fixed now! Sep 30 22:30:44 there is no magic Sep 30 22:32:31 for the curious: http://ross154.net/~mprov/Pre/q.png and http://ross154.net:4123/~mprov/Pre/photoapp.jpg Sep 30 22:32:33 enjoy Sep 30 22:32:44 totally NON issue Sep 30 22:32:53 * Mousey serves egaudet more b33rs for bothering him Sep 30 22:33:22 that q is funny though, no idea how the heck you got that to happen Sep 30 22:33:42 wallpaper switcharoo or something Sep 30 22:33:48 * Mousey eyes switcharoo with suspicion Sep 30 22:33:48 yah Sep 30 22:33:54 2nd link doens't work Sep 30 22:34:08 hmm Sep 30 22:34:31 http://ross154.net/~mprov/Pre/photoapp.jpg Sep 30 22:34:34 should work Sep 30 22:34:38 oh, duh, wrong port Sep 30 22:36:52 i'm surprised no one has written a service or tutorial on turning your pre into a wifi hotspot Sep 30 22:36:59 like the mifi that sprint offers Sep 30 22:37:15 i know you can tether but that is 1 computer at a time connected. Sep 30 22:37:49 GODAMSTUPIDTURBOTAXONLINNE Sep 30 22:38:13 raeb_: Well hello to you too! Sep 30 22:38:17 lol sory Sep 30 22:38:49 * raeb_ is downloading xp virtual image with ie6, just to be able to use turbotax online to get prior tax return Sep 30 22:39:05 This is why we gave up and pay a guy Sep 30 22:39:25 well, part of why anyway :) Sep 30 22:39:25 smart move Sep 30 22:57:17 jcrawford: the driver we have for wifi doesn't support AP mode, if it did linux could do it easily Sep 30 22:59:06 tmzt: is it the driver or the hardware? Sep 30 22:59:15 couldn't someone write a better driver? Sep 30 23:00:03 driver, you could try to get the libertas driver to work Sep 30 23:00:14 correction i couldn't :) Sep 30 23:00:26 i have no clue when it comes to drivers :D Sep 30 23:02:29 i can't code drivers, but i can get them in teh kernel Sep 30 23:02:33 if someone has a driver Sep 30 23:07:00 i tried getting the libertas module to work but not very hard.. it wouldn't claim the sdio device on the pre but i didn't really even look to see if it was identifying correctly Sep 30 23:07:22 maybe i should try again, given that next time palm revs the kernel we won't even have ad-hoc mode anymore Sep 30 23:07:40 at least not without faking vermagic and hoping nothing breaks. hehehe Sep 30 23:08:48 so who here has done video recording on 1.2 with the shit thats out there? Sep 30 23:08:52 *stuff Sep 30 23:09:13 epv: wrong driver Sep 30 23:13:56 * sportman waves to PuffTheMagic how goes it good sir? Sep 30 23:14:04 same old Sep 30 23:14:29 thats the spirit? Sep 30 23:14:33 im upgrading to the official 1.2 Sep 30 23:14:37 had the leaked running Sep 30 23:14:47 so my google contacts are so messed up im thinking of deleting all of them Sep 30 23:22:41 boo webos doctor Sep 30 23:22:45 its charging my phone Sep 30 23:22:46 :( Sep 30 23:25:00 i need to fix my messaging app to get aim working again Sep 30 23:25:41 is it me or its finicky Sep 30 23:25:43 sometimes i log in Sep 30 23:25:49 sometimes it says logging in for a long time :( Sep 30 23:25:53 even though im on like wifi Sep 30 23:27:19 ya its finicky its been better since 1.1 but still a bitch Sep 30 23:27:32 i tried the messaging plugin now aim doesnt work even after its removed Sep 30 23:28:22 whats the messaging plugin? Sep 30 23:28:26 * sportman was unawear of it Sep 30 23:29:02 dont worry about it yet.. its a waste of your time right now Sep 30 23:29:16 in good time it will be awesome but is too unstable at the momment Sep 30 23:29:24 http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/205914-messaging-plugins-live-yahoo-icq.html Sep 30 23:29:29 i would advise you not to install it Sep 30 23:30:50 i wont Sep 30 23:39:50 ok i managed to fix my aim.. although i had removed the plug in i stil have yahoo in my list and others two spots that are blank weird Sep 30 23:40:17 does 1.2 support yahoo by default? Sep 30 23:40:45 anyone know? Sep 30 23:41:29 1.2 supports a great deal more Sep 30 23:41:32 if i recall correctly Sep 30 23:42:01 http://blog.palm.com/ Sep 30 23:43:16 hum... i dont think yahoo messenger is default? Sep 30 23:44:41 i dunno Sep 30 23:44:43 illt ake a look Sep 30 23:44:47 im putting a fresh install on Sep 30 23:44:48 in a minute Sep 30 23:44:56 46% done Sep 30 23:45:41 anybody happent to remember what to type at the CLI to restart luna? Sep 30 23:45:52 wait, nm. lunamanger ftw Sep 30 23:46:17 thanks sportman Sep 30 23:46:36 stop LunaSysMgr && start LunaSysMgr Sep 30 23:46:49 Mousey, stop LunaSysMgr && start LunaSysMgr Sep 30 23:47:01 thanks Jack1987 Sep 30 23:47:16 np Sep 30 23:47:31 anyone else play with the video record package? Sep 30 23:47:50 is it in preware? Sep 30 23:48:06 s/in preware/in a feed preware parses?/ Sep 30 23:48:09 Mousey meant: is it in a feed preware parses?? Sep 30 23:49:39 no its not in preware Sep 30 23:49:53 noit is not in a feed that preware parses Sep 30 23:50:14 i played with it... definetly not ready for primetime Sep 30 23:50:29 not at all Sep 30 23:50:34 but did u get it to record? Sep 30 23:50:41 i got a 3 mb mp4 Sep 30 23:50:42 yes twice Sep 30 23:50:44 it was a bitch Sep 30 23:50:46 but vlc couldn't open it for shit Sep 30 23:50:47 :/ Sep 30 23:50:59 i got it to open Sep 30 23:51:12 but i also got files that were large and when opened no video Sep 30 23:52:45 * Mousey waits till rocket surgeons get further along Sep 30 23:53:29 i wish there was a good irc client Sep 30 23:53:30 :( Sep 30 23:53:39 for my pre Sep 30 23:54:02 sportman meant: i wish there was a good jabber client Sep 30 23:54:07 ^_^ Sep 30 23:54:27 anything Sep 30 23:54:29 so i can go on irc Sep 30 23:54:34 there is nothing yet right? Sep 30 23:54:43 irssi not enuff he Sep 30 23:54:47 he=eh Sep 30 23:57:32 bbl Oct 01 00:01:07 i think verichat should be ported to the pre some how Oct 01 00:01:21 with added gtalk and skye support Oct 01 00:01:33 i rather have a differ im client then part of my messaging app Oct 01 00:08:48 uh oh. i used the tweaks on 1.2 Oct 01 00:09:02 now i have no top bar and the pre isnt showing apps. Oct 01 00:12:10 tictac: ouch Oct 01 00:12:48 shiiiiit. i get messages on the bottom Oct 01 00:13:03 when i go to bring them up, messaging is completely blank Oct 01 00:13:47 email and phone apps work, but i need msgs Oct 01 00:15:07 ideas? Oct 01 00:15:20 webosdic Oct 01 00:15:22 *doc Oct 01 00:15:48 that would require everything to be removed. ugh. Oct 01 00:15:57 webosrepairutility Oct 01 00:16:59 does yahoo come by default for webos 1.2? Oct 01 00:18:09 tictac, http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/204495-webos-repair-utility.html Oct 01 00:21:13 Jack1987: no, just aim and google Oct 01 00:21:41 thanks JackieRipper thats what i thought Oct 01 00:27:37 PuffTheMagic, I got the ipk Oct 01 00:28:19 Jack1987: hmm. thanks. Oct 01 00:28:41 tictac, did it work or are you working on it? Oct 01 00:31:05 u post it yet? Oct 01 00:31:31 Jack1987: gotta download latest webdr Oct 01 00:31:35 to where, do i just create a project Oct 01 00:31:42 yeah Oct 01 00:31:45 TYpe: Feed Oct 01 00:31:47 :D Oct 01 00:32:18 Type: Feeds Oct 01 00:32:33 err in the ipkg Oct 01 00:32:34 nm Oct 01 00:32:36 brb Oct 01 00:33:41 i don't have a source url Oct 01 00:33:58 just put pym.org in there or something Oct 01 00:34:04 or the autopatch git link Oct 01 00:34:06 dont matter Oct 01 00:34:57 where do i put the ipk Oct 01 00:42:17 hey guise Oct 01 00:42:28 yay Templarian is here Oct 01 00:43:34 PuffTheMagic, Oct 01 00:43:47 ? Oct 01 00:43:47 ? Oct 01 00:43:47 what Oct 01 00:43:49 I can't find an option that will allow me to put anything but icon and screenshot Oct 01 00:43:59 what else do u need Oct 01 00:44:14 the ipk Oct 01 00:44:21 lol Oct 01 00:44:25 create a release Oct 01 00:44:42 you are on the project node Oct 01 00:44:50 you need to make a project_release node Oct 01 00:44:53 bah my connection was reset. Oct 01 00:44:55 for that project Oct 01 00:46:47 done Oct 01 00:46:50 when does it get into the feed Oct 01 00:46:56 it is already Oct 01 00:46:58 its dynamic Oct 01 00:47:05 the feed is generated when its requested Oct 01 00:47:08 nice Oct 01 00:47:08 on the fly Oct 01 00:47:10 no waiting :D Oct 01 00:47:23 no 15 minute runaways until the build fails? Oct 01 00:47:28 no Oct 01 00:47:28 :P Oct 01 00:47:35 remove preware with CLI? anybody? Oct 01 00:47:36 Yea, just got done with 2 exams 2 more tomorrow morning. Oct 01 00:47:50 ipkgservice, preware app, anything else? Oct 01 00:48:19 egaudet: there are 2 feeds now in preware :D Oct 01 00:48:33 ? Oct 01 00:48:36 2 feeds Oct 01 00:48:44 there are 2 items in the feed category Oct 01 00:48:45 i meant Oct 01 00:48:56 :) Oct 01 00:49:01 install it puff Oct 01 00:49:02 DO IT Oct 01 00:49:04 DOOOOOOOO IT Oct 01 00:51:55 Is there a way to restart luna from the pre, or within Preware so I don't have to restart the phone when I install patches? Oct 01 00:52:57 stop LunaSysMgr; start LunaSysMgr Oct 01 00:54:09 I don't have a terminal window ON my pre though Oct 01 00:54:17 Is there one? Oct 01 00:54:37 There is via preware, otherwise just novaterm in Oct 01 00:54:54 Anyone know if the MyTether app (as well as the needed shell service) can be installed without rooting the Pre? Oct 01 00:55:05 well then I must install that! Oct 01 00:55:10 Ron0001, Luna Manager Oct 01 00:55:19 yes, cook, there is a dedicated install program Oct 01 00:55:41 once you donate you get an installer, right? Oct 01 00:55:45 its in the paid users forum Oct 01 00:55:55 yes Oct 01 00:56:04 otherwise you'd have to root Oct 01 00:56:24 auhgggghhh root Oct 01 00:56:34 trying to avoid that :o Oct 01 00:56:39 palm needs to up their connection. downloading webdr is sloooooooooooow Oct 01 00:56:47 I believe so, I was trying not to need terminal access this time around with 1.2, but I did it anyway Oct 01 00:57:01 terminal is your friend Oct 01 00:57:05 learn to <3 Oct 01 00:58:07 i love my terminal Oct 01 00:58:20 Ron0001: Luna Manager Oct 01 00:58:22 and i am loving the terminal app on the pre as well Oct 01 00:58:46 Luna Manager? Oct 01 00:58:50 thank you, I was just about to ask - u read my mind! Oct 01 00:59:30 Luna Manager is a program install it Oct 01 00:59:33 and it lets you restart luna Oct 01 00:59:34 or java Oct 01 00:59:36 or rescan Oct 01 00:59:38 cook-][-, http://mytether.net/ Oct 01 00:59:42 done, thanks! Oct 01 01:00:05 that was much needed Oct 01 01:00:11 can someone explain how to ssh from the pre terminal? Oct 01 01:00:46 or am in the wrong channel Oct 01 01:00:51 ssh user@domain Oct 01 01:00:58 well ssh doesn't work Oct 01 01:01:07 what ssh did you install? Oct 01 01:01:14 optware? Oct 01 01:01:24 ssh:not found Oct 01 01:01:32 did you install ssh? Oct 01 01:01:34 oh how do i install ssh Oct 01 01:01:36 i am guessing you have dropbear installed Oct 01 01:01:38 lol Oct 01 01:01:39 ? Oct 01 01:01:53 is there a guide Oct 01 01:01:58 /topic Oct 01 01:02:30 #webos then Oct 01 01:02:31 ok Oct 01 01:03:04 i don't think either of us understands what we require from each other Oct 01 01:03:54 aunt minnie is around Oct 01 01:07:57 egaudet, yay clean timestamps Oct 01 01:09:15 :) Oct 01 01:09:39 looks like you are updateing as we speak? egaudet Oct 01 01:09:49 Yea, I just did that one. If only corporations responded like this! Oct 01 01:10:08 are the themes working? Oct 01 01:10:55 what Ron0001 ? Oct 01 01:11:14 I lack motivation tonight I'm so tired Oct 01 01:11:20 I pushed what I could Oct 01 01:11:31 can the themes on Preware be installed? Oct 01 01:11:58 egaudet, cudos! I'm impressed, thanks. Oct 01 01:12:01 There is a autopatch-feed ipk up installable by preware to add the autopatch feed as well Oct 01 01:12:35 is that the echo command from earlier today? Oct 01 01:12:46 egaudet, you hit most of the stuffi mentioned Oct 01 01:12:53 battery % works as well... Oct 01 01:13:28 egaudet, so those last few things i brought up earlier today.. i am guessing you ran into the same issues Oct 01 01:13:53 Ron0001, yea now it's done through preware Oct 01 01:14:25 haven't tried them yet Jack1987 Oct 01 01:14:35 k, thanks Oct 01 01:14:47 well there is a new battery % patch and this one works Oct 01 01:15:01 in the feed Oct 01 01:16:16 trying to install autopatch feed: "Error installing [4]" Oct 01 01:16:36 egaudet, the battery% and icon patch... and it works.. Oct 01 01:16:43 in preware Oct 01 01:17:27 do you have terminal access? Oct 01 01:17:49 yeah Oct 01 01:17:55 echo "src/gz autopatch http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/autopatch/all" > /var/etc/ipkg/autopatch.conf Oct 01 01:18:12 thanks Oct 01 01:18:20 no problem Oct 01 01:18:23 has anyone used this webrepair thing? Oct 01 01:18:38 i keep getting connection refused. Oct 01 01:18:48 Jack1987, nice Oct 01 01:19:01 b00far, what does ipkg log say? Oct 01 01:19:20 Templarian: you got a minute>? Oct 01 01:19:25 egaudet, message forwarding patch will not install Oct 01 01:19:39 tictac: is dev mode turned on? Oct 01 01:20:00 "failed to unlink /tmp/ipkg-randomchars/: Is a directory" Oct 01 01:20:20 rboatright: it should be, unless 1.2 changes that. Oct 01 01:20:40 do you have a 1.2 version of webrepair? Oct 01 01:20:43 nevermind. its working now it seems. Oct 01 01:20:47 yes. Oct 01 01:20:57 ahhh I didn't know he had gotten it updated. Oct 01 01:21:32 rboatright: no, but I i'll read it. Oct 01 01:21:35 back Oct 01 01:21:38 sup guys and girls? Oct 01 01:22:22 thanks Templarian Oct 01 01:22:28 egaudet: http://pastebin.com/d27da6322 Oct 01 01:23:10 Templarian: sent to admin@ Oct 01 01:23:14 rboatright: btw i have your thing almost coded, just these exams. Oct 01 01:23:29 * Eguy still can't install patches in preware :( Oct 01 01:23:29 thanks Oct 01 01:23:45 did you use the stuff in the new palm-log thing from palm sdk 1.2-33? Oct 01 01:23:55 hmm Oct 01 01:23:55 also, INSPECTOR WORKS NOW Oct 01 01:23:58 thank ghod. Oct 01 01:24:07 right click, reload -- it DOES !!! Oct 01 01:24:09 amazing. Oct 01 01:24:10 PuffTheMagic, did I mess something up with that feed project? Oct 01 01:24:46 hopefully this repair works. Oct 01 01:25:28 evening Oct 01 01:25:31 you must have Oct 01 01:25:34 it dont install Oct 01 01:25:37 Eguy, did you add the autopatch feed? Oct 01 01:26:17 egaudet: u didnt add a file to the release Oct 01 01:26:40 zsoc: of course Oct 01 01:26:47 and the name seems wonky Oct 01 01:26:57 egaudet: ompload me the ipk Oct 01 01:27:10 Eguy, right.. it just.. like hangs or something on patch install? are you on evdo? Oct 01 01:27:25 what's ompload Oct 01 01:27:44 anyone in here from "everything pre" Oct 01 01:27:50 egaudet: and your reverse dns is wrong Oct 01 01:27:57 you put the package name in reverse dns Oct 01 01:28:02 reverse dns does not include the package part Oct 01 01:28:24 rboatright: i'll email you back tomorrow with crits, have to study for these two morning exams. :( tty then Oct 01 01:28:28 egaudet: http://omploader.org/ Oct 01 01:28:32 ompload me the ipkg!!!! Oct 01 01:28:37 guys at everything pre included everyhting from the patch and removed my name from it!!! Oct 01 01:28:51 zsoc: Nope, I get the postinst warning and once I hit ok it just spins at installing Oct 01 01:28:58 http://omploader.org/iMmdnMg Oct 01 01:29:02 never does anything after that Oct 01 01:29:21 so anyone got anything new for me to test out Oct 01 01:29:23 : ) Oct 01 01:29:24 Eguy, odd. try reinstalling preware and the package service? Oct 01 01:30:01 I keep my preware "manual" update of feeds Oct 01 01:30:05 zsoc: Just did that for the 3rd time ;) Oct 01 01:30:29 unless I uninstalled wrong I just did it with terminal Oct 01 01:32:00 egaudet, question Oct 01 01:32:04 egaudet: now it should work Oct 01 01:32:50 yeah it works now Oct 01 01:32:52 egaudet, you know how on the 4x4 you fixed it so that longer app names can take up two lines... anyway to do that for the 5x4 patch? Oct 01 01:33:45 * egaudet successfully just forced PuffTheMagic to install autopatch feed even if he probably removed it right after Oct 01 01:34:00 can the pre open .pls streams? Oct 01 01:34:11 http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=1936190&posted=1#post1936190 Oct 01 01:35:37 PuffTheMagic, what category is it? Oct 01 01:35:43 I just made a phone call on my Pre. Sometimes I forget it even does that. :) Oct 01 01:35:53 haha Oct 01 01:36:12 i know how that goes Oct 01 01:36:34 i was actually out and about one day and was like "shit, i need to call someone... i wish i had a phone..... oh, duh" Oct 01 01:36:35 egaudet: u fail Oct 01 01:36:59 i can't find the damn thing Oct 01 01:37:05 find waht Oct 01 01:37:08 its in Feed Oct 01 01:37:16 but your ipk dont actually do shit Oct 01 01:37:26 bah yea it does Oct 01 01:37:33 um no it dont Oct 01 01:37:42 your feed probably screwed it up Oct 01 01:38:25 no Oct 01 01:38:32 i cant even extract your ipk Oct 01 01:38:36 i have made maybe 2 calls Oct 01 01:38:43 on this thing Oct 01 01:38:55 # ar x org.webosinternals.autopatch-feed_1.0.0.ipk Oct 01 01:38:55 ar: org.webosinternals.autopatch-feed_1.0.0.ipk: File format not recognized Oct 01 01:38:57 my blackberry on vzw is my main phone Oct 01 01:39:14 the pre is gonna be my new business line, once i launch officially my new hosting brand Oct 01 01:39:39 # cat /var/usr/lib/ipkg/info/org.webosinternals.autopatch-feed.list Oct 01 01:39:39 castle ~ # Oct 01 01:39:42 PuffTheMagic, I can extract it Oct 01 01:39:43 nothing Oct 01 01:39:47 wtf Oct 01 01:40:36 egaudet: i just deleted the release node Oct 01 01:40:38 make a new one Oct 01 01:40:42 and add the file this time Oct 01 01:41:07 egaudet: http://preyourmind.org/node/add/project-release/93 Oct 01 01:41:15 i just dl'd my ipk from ompload and it's fine Oct 01 01:41:29 sport|way, you should get a google voice number Oct 01 01:41:32 warning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in /var/www/htdocs/preyourmind.org/www/includes/form.inc on line 1480. Oct 01 01:41:42 Jack1987: im probably gonna get an 800 number Oct 01 01:41:47 with a voice system Oct 01 01:41:50 and diff extensions Oct 01 01:41:53 and have it go to my phone Oct 01 01:41:58 if no one else answers Oct 01 01:42:08 egaudet: i just downloaded it again and it dont work Oct 01 01:42:16 egaudet: ignore the warning Oct 01 01:42:41 sport|way, if you get google voice and link it with your phone and everytime the 800 number is called your phone rings Oct 01 01:42:54 your machine is a fail Oct 01 01:43:25 just fails on the fubar u send me Oct 01 01:43:32 huh Ja? Oct 01 01:43:39 huh Jack1987 Oct 01 01:43:40 ? Oct 01 01:43:47 ok i added the file Oct 01 01:43:55 wsup everyone Oct 01 01:45:45 egaudet: yeah now it seems to work for real Oct 01 01:45:57 so you fail at downloads Oct 01 01:46:04 dude Oct 01 01:46:08 u didnt fill out version shit Oct 01 01:46:42 I have the ipk, it has all the metadata, what do i need to fill out? Oct 01 01:47:11 when u created the release node u didnt fill out the major/minor/patch version stuff Oct 01 01:47:13 but i fixed it Oct 01 01:50:28 so is there a keyboard patch yet for 1.2? and does preware install fine on 1.2? Oct 01 01:50:43 sport|way: yes, yes Oct 01 01:50:58 bye peeps me go bye bye Oct 01 01:51:00 been fun enjoy Oct 01 01:51:37 hey guys, i noticed Roam Control was updated recently, does this mean its 1.2 ready? Oct 01 01:52:25 sweet and sweet Decimation__ Oct 01 01:52:40 can I log into my pre via root? Oct 01 01:52:47 yes, yes it is sport|way :) Oct 01 01:52:49 as the user root Oct 01 01:53:08 so im thinking how hard is it to make a pre app that pretty much just launches a pls stream Oct 01 01:53:09 I keep getting access denied Oct 01 01:53:13 hey i made the phone auto reject/ignore phone calls Oct 01 01:53:16 time to make an app Oct 01 01:53:20 cause i wanna make a pre app for my universities radiostation Oct 01 01:54:05 Decimate, was that a response towards me? Oct 01 01:54:07 how do I set up ssh as root Oct 01 01:54:16 sudo -i Oct 01 01:54:38 I mean actually login as root with root password Oct 01 01:54:49 do you have the other account setup Oct 01 01:54:50 ? Oct 01 01:54:54 yes Oct 01 01:54:56 ok Oct 01 01:54:58 login to it Oct 01 01:55:00 then do Oct 01 01:55:01 sudo -i Oct 01 01:55:07 it will ask you for the same password Oct 01 01:55:09 put it in Oct 01 01:55:10 and you are root Oct 01 01:55:16 RoamControl is webos1.2 ready? Oct 01 01:55:21 Joesmith, there's another option, but it's not suggested Oct 01 01:55:22 is your using openssh you can enable root access in /etc/ssh/sshd_config Oct 01 01:55:27 I know but I want to LOGIN as root not get roots power Oct 01 01:55:34 whats the difference Oct 01 01:55:35 * PreMan prepares to listen to Roam - B52's for roam control is most likely 1.2 ready Oct 01 01:55:45 ssh you cant because root has to be blank for the phone Oct 01 01:55:51 Joesmith, what tmzt said, i think you have to remove an option (er,, -g i think).. at least that's how it is in dropbear Oct 01 01:55:54 and you cant login into ssh with a blank password Oct 01 01:55:59 atlanta: root for what? Oct 01 01:56:02 is a luna restar needed for the led notifications patch? Oct 01 01:56:04 blank Oct 01 01:56:10 atlanta, I log into root through ssh all the time Oct 01 01:56:15 with a password Oct 01 01:56:15 ? Oct 01 01:56:26 I did it before and now I webosdoctored my phone and I dont remember how Oct 01 01:56:30 atlanta: why is a blank password needed for phone? Oct 01 01:56:31 atlanta, yep :) Oct 01 01:56:36 exactly Oct 01 01:56:44 RoamControl must not be a great conversation topic Oct 01 01:56:47 you have to setup the password first Oct 01 01:56:56 I did Oct 01 01:56:59 sure, so you set up a root password :) Oct 01 01:57:09 is that led patch in preware yet? Oct 01 01:57:09 then you have to allow root in ssh config file Oct 01 01:57:09 :D Oct 01 01:57:16 i need to reinstall preware Oct 01 01:57:16 :D Oct 01 01:57:18 16:20 < atlanta> ssh you cant because root has to be blank for the phone Oct 01 01:57:29 atlanta: why is that? Oct 01 01:57:42 oh wrote that wrong Oct 01 01:57:53 so no word on RoamControl? Oct 01 01:59:13 PreMan: what was your quesiton Oct 01 01:59:41 atlanta, whether or not roamcontrol was 1.2 ready, but i just installed it so it must be cuz it worked Oct 01 02:00:05 oh ok Oct 01 02:00:30 atlanta, can i just assume any of the patches on the feed (if they were updated today or yesterday) are 1.2 ready? Oct 01 02:01:27 no Oct 01 02:01:37 there is a file that tell you which ones are 1.2 ready Oct 01 02:02:05 wheres that file? Oct 01 02:02:07 on the feed? Oct 01 02:02:20 oh on the feed Oct 01 02:02:26 i believe they are but let me find that file Oct 01 02:02:41 ok, if you could please link me to the files location (i've lost the feed link) when you find it Oct 01 02:02:57 battery percent works too woot! Oct 01 02:03:15 what u using preware Oct 01 02:03:15 ? Oct 01 02:03:25 everything in there should be 1.2 ready Oct 01 02:03:28 so no worries Oct 01 02:03:53 just got dc'ed Oct 01 02:03:56 PuffTheMagic: what you think the best way of patching the phone app? if i was to release to users Oct 01 02:03:59 atlanta, did you respond to me? Oct 01 02:04:04 i got disconnected Oct 01 02:04:11 [22:03] everything in there should be 1.2 ready [22:03] so no worries Oct 01 02:04:18 atlanta: dont as me about patches.... im not getting involved with them Oct 01 02:04:21 i think they are bad Oct 01 02:04:25 oh ok Oct 01 02:04:25 lol Oct 01 02:04:42 what do u think the way should be Oct 01 02:04:43 ? Oct 01 02:04:55 atlanta, do you have a link to the text file though? Oct 01 02:05:10 so did anyone get the .mp4 from the video recording to play in vlc? Oct 01 02:05:15 or did they all need that smplayer thingy? Oct 01 02:05:49 sportman, installing linux fixes that problem :) Oct 01 02:06:04 zsoc: im on osx Oct 01 02:06:07 i quit? Oct 01 02:06:12 if u can mail me a blank dvd Oct 01 02:06:16 ill put linux on my pc Oct 01 02:06:16 oh... thats my disconnected body Oct 01 02:06:17 lol Oct 01 02:06:30 Add/Delete pages in launcher works too !!! AMAZING Oct 01 02:06:56 sportman, lol. i was _minorly_ joking. you just need to wait a little bit, soon enough you may be able to play back the video recorded on your pre :) Oct 01 02:06:58 atlanta, did you have a link to that txt file? Oct 01 02:08:03 zsoc: haha funny :D Oct 01 02:08:20 zsoc: do you know about a text file that says which patches are 1.2 ready on the feed? Oct 01 02:08:48 Why do people keep asking me question? I know I seem to say a lot, but I know absolutely nothing :( Oct 01 02:09:10 As far as patches, egaudet claims most of them are 1.2 ready :) I don't know what 'most' means tho lol Oct 01 02:09:22 hey hey now I didn't say most Oct 01 02:09:24 I said over half Oct 01 02:09:30 :P Oct 01 02:09:32 egaudet is here yay! Oct 01 02:09:41 just check the release notes Oct 01 02:09:47 it will say if they are 1.2 compatibile Oct 01 02:09:48 okay, well there are only 2 i had installed that i have no clue on their 1.2 progress Oct 01 02:09:49 ususally... Oct 01 02:09:52 atleast the keyboard one did Oct 01 02:10:11 does anyone have any word on the "Squarify the screen" patch and its 1.2 readyness? Oct 01 02:10:53 so im thinking i should hack my pre for verizon lol Oct 01 02:10:54 :-p Oct 01 02:10:55 jk Oct 01 02:10:56 ish? Oct 01 02:11:19 squ..are..ify? Oct 01 02:11:44 Square - if - I Oct 01 02:12:00 show past the rounded edges so the pre screen is essentially square Oct 01 02:12:26 undoes rounded edges Oct 01 02:12:31 anyone know about this? Oct 01 02:12:34 ah, interesting Oct 01 02:12:48 i was thinking about making one that changes the corners to a different shape Oct 01 02:12:48 would help me see the corners while using terminal lol Oct 01 02:12:53 smiley face in symbol box does not work Oct 01 02:12:54 but not just eliminating them Oct 01 02:13:02 and a looking Oct 01 02:13:53 what about changing launcher opacity? Oct 01 02:13:55 any word on that Oct 01 02:13:57 ? Oct 01 02:15:39 Hi everyone Oct 01 02:16:29 Square - if - I Oct 01 02:17:49 PreMan_: that ispossible Oct 01 02:17:55 cause i think some themes do it Oct 01 02:18:00 Hi everyone Oct 01 02:18:25 I'll bite, Hi Scratch59. Oct 01 02:19:09 I'll admit I won't provide much value to this chat... but I like to listen Oct 01 02:19:25 I do have a couple of quick points I'd like to check Oct 01 02:19:55 Go ahead. Oct 01 02:19:57 One, does anyone know if there is a way to manipulate the "keywords" list in WebOS's universal search Oct 01 02:20:02 It's amazing how fast EVDO is command line.. makes you wonder how much crap is going on in the interface that makes data stuff only moderately fast Oct 01 02:20:14 I'd like to be able to type "games" and have all my games show up Oct 01 02:20:23 Scratch59, I provide 0 value here, and all I do is talk, so don't worrya bout it Oct 01 02:20:43 * zsoc thinks it would be cool if universal search supported 'tagging' Oct 01 02:20:44 They seem to have started this... but left the door open just enough to see, not use Oct 01 02:20:58 anyone know how to turn on/off HAC mode? Oct 01 02:21:03 well in some sense it does, if you read the changelog, it has keywords enabled Oct 01 02:21:38 and if you type "pre" into universal search, it comes up with a bunch of apps that don't have pre in their names Oct 01 02:21:50 new download upload api scares me to no end Oct 01 02:21:55 I would think it would be somewhere... just a matter of finding it Oct 01 02:22:45 Thats where my mind has taken me, and where my lack of technical knowledge starts to hurt Oct 01 02:23:25 I figured maybe SOMEONE had a similar idea and was already working on it Oct 01 02:23:36 is Jason working on an update Oct 01 02:23:36 ? Oct 01 02:23:40 to quick install Oct 01 02:24:02 So I hear, the 2.03 hacks are keeping me satisfied as of the moment Oct 01 02:24:51 +PuffTheMagic, yes, but is there a patch that does just the squarify part Oct 01 02:25:09 fnc Oct 01 02:25:11 nfc Oct 01 02:25:12 +PuffTheMagic, it was a part of QuickInstall, but who knows when that will be a go for 1.2 Oct 01 02:25:53 National Football Conference? Oct 01 02:26:11 My other point/query also has to do with universal search (I sent a bug report to palm about it) Oct 01 02:26:28 nfc? what does nfc mean? Oct 01 02:26:36 does anyone else hav ehte problem where if you start a universal search with a number, it doesn't stay a number? Oct 01 02:26:45 no f***ing chance? Oct 01 02:26:48 PreMan_: no fucking clude Oct 01 02:26:49 clue Oct 01 02:26:54 lol Oct 01 02:27:00 I was SO close! Oct 01 02:27:53 If you went and read the language of the old patch, you might be able to trace the changes to the directory where the formatting file was stored Oct 01 02:28:01 odds are palm simply changed a file name Oct 01 02:28:15 and you can use common sense from there Oct 01 02:28:18 Scratch59, can you link me to the patch feed? Oct 01 02:28:23 i've lost the link Oct 01 02:28:36 Scratch59, btw, i just did a universal search starting with a number and it stayed a num Oct 01 02:28:42 try this Oct 01 02:28:45 figured i'd let you know Oct 01 02:28:48 700 c wheels Oct 01 02:28:56 mine changes me to x00 c wheels Oct 01 02:29:00 are the patches available through autofeed updated for 1.2 or is there any way to distinguish whish ones are? Oct 01 02:29:21 stayed normal Oct 01 02:29:23 WillJitsu, question of the hour :) check release notes Oct 01 02:29:27 and google searched normal Oct 01 02:29:53 Scratch59, do you have a link to the patches feed? Oct 01 02:30:04 zsoc: sorry, where are the release notes located? Oct 01 02:30:32 WillJitsu, i have the exact same question, so I will steal the answer you get and use it Oct 01 02:30:34 I don't, I'm looking for a minute, brb Oct 01 02:31:36 Tilton53 changed his nick, but I heard from him this morning with his original nick, so that makes me sad Oct 01 02:32:36 WillJitsu, er.. release notes.. i believe are on the wiki Oct 01 02:32:54 WillJitsu, in fact, there's a page that has a list of "webOS 1.2 OK" patches Oct 01 02:33:07 Portal:Patches_to_webOS Oct 01 02:33:21 I believe most of the patches have been updated, but (per egaudet) if its not 1.2 compatable, it wont install. Oct 01 02:33:46 YES!!!! Tilton53 has re-established the nick that I know him by! This elates me! Oct 01 02:34:02 XD Oct 01 02:34:04 call block mod coming soon Oct 01 02:34:14 Ron001 thats not true Oct 01 02:34:21 a few install and then just don't work Oct 01 02:34:38 ok, good to know. will they uninstall? Oct 01 02:34:39 Tilton53, do you know about the launcher opacity patch? Oct 01 02:35:13 yes Ron001 if it doesn't stop Luna from running Oct 01 02:35:27 atlanta, who is doing call block and how does it work? i always theorized a service that polls dbus for incoming phone number and somehow interrupts the telphony functions Oct 01 02:35:28 Since the autopatch in preware uses quilt it backs up the changes Oct 01 02:36:30 were the "squarify the screen" and "launcher opacity" patches unique to the Webos QUICKINSTALLER program? Oct 01 02:37:18 They seem to be Oct 01 02:37:19 PreGame, must be. try to find the maintainer and pm/email them Oct 01 02:37:32 PreGame? Oct 01 02:37:39 er, sorry, fail on my part Oct 01 02:37:41 hahahahahah! Oct 01 02:37:52 I don't see them in the portal Oct 01 02:37:52 DUDE let's Pre-Game for webos1.3! Oct 01 02:38:15 we'll get trashed out in front of palm's headquarters while tailgating for the 1.3 release Oct 01 02:38:33 i'll bring a poster that says "Flash Or Bust!" Oct 01 02:39:09 i can't find those specific patches on the wiki Oct 01 02:40:02 Do they pull into the app through a feed? Or are they hardcoded into the JAR file Oct 01 02:40:24 good question Oct 01 02:40:48 zsoc: i am Oct 01 02:40:48 hold on Oct 01 02:41:02 if you extract the jar file, there are some tweaks files Oct 01 02:41:11 zsoc: i just messed around with the phone app Oct 01 02:41:21 zsoc: i got it to reject all my calls Oct 01 02:41:37 atlanta, ... please describe. Oct 01 02:41:38 lol reject all calls lololol Oct 01 02:41:50 i edited the phone app to call the reject functions Oct 01 02:42:03 oh, so a patch. interesting. Oct 01 02:42:08 but how im going to do it is patch the phone app with code to check a file against a number Oct 01 02:42:10 seems too simple :D Oct 01 02:42:18 genius, can't wait Oct 01 02:42:21 and then im going to create an app Oct 01 02:42:26 where you can add numbers to that listr Oct 01 02:42:40 zsoc! Oct 01 02:42:51 zsoc: yea it works pretty well Oct 01 02:42:59 vibrates once then ignores the call Oct 01 02:43:15 zsoc: if i had access to the telephony service that would be much better Oct 01 02:43:34 kesne, ? Oct 01 02:43:48 zsoc: just sayiing hello! Oct 01 02:44:36 blarg! Oct 01 02:44:39 So I have some updates on the WebOSQuickIntsall tweaks.... Oct 01 02:44:47 yes? Oct 01 02:44:47 kesne, hello there :) Oct 01 02:44:47 atlanta: cool! I already have a list of numbers I set to a silent ring. This will be better :) Oct 01 02:45:03 looks like the option9 tweak is the one everyone is in need of Oct 01 02:45:03 whats option9? Oct 01 02:45:05 I just need to find something that can read .class files Oct 01 02:45:15 Preman, do you have the JAR file Oct 01 02:45:15 ? Oct 01 02:45:24 option 9 = opacity or squarify Oct 01 02:45:25 yeah i have it Oct 01 02:45:39 if you extract it, there is a directory called CA Oct 01 02:45:52 extracting... Oct 01 02:46:26 in CA Oct 01 02:46:34 option21 is the opacity Oct 01 02:46:40 canucksoftware Oct 01 02:46:47 yeah then what? Oct 01 02:47:06 launcher-opacity.patch? Oct 01 02:47:09 ashi__colo: coolio ill have some people test out when i finish it Oct 01 02:47:13 what is this .patch file? Oct 01 02:47:19 cool Oct 01 02:47:28 Scratch59, canuck software is Jason Oct 01 02:48:13 can i manually do things with this .patch file? Oct 01 02:48:51 or how can i read what this .patch file does? Oct 01 02:49:57 Scratch59, are you trying to do stuff with .patch? Oct 01 02:49:58 sorry, I got a phonecall Oct 01 02:50:04 where are you seeing these .patch files? Oct 01 02:50:17 I see a shitload of .class files Oct 01 02:50:19 ca\canucksoftware\resources\patches\ Oct 01 02:50:36 hahahah.... that would make sense Oct 01 02:50:49 ? Oct 01 02:50:54 if you read the file Oct 01 02:51:01 it tells you what it does Oct 01 02:51:13 all the patch is is an automated change Oct 01 02:51:58 what I am suggesting is that instead of the launcher scene being located here: Oct 01 02:52:00 sweet, i'm gonna tear my launcher up by doing this myself w00t! Oct 01 02:52:24 Jason is adding his patches to autopatch system Oct 01 02:52:25 that is why I would suggest using the emulator to test this Oct 01 02:52:56 so I can't copy and paste into her? Oct 01 02:53:03 here*? Oct 01 02:53:17 +egaudet: as in now? or as in whenever he feels like it? Oct 01 02:53:29 nah use pastebin Oct 01 02:53:30 such a good question Oct 01 02:53:50 I just wanna tear this up now if i can, i'm never gonna do it if i dont' do it now Oct 01 02:53:52 he's working on it now I believe, he will be using patch ipk in next version of quick install as well for most of the tweaks Oct 01 02:54:04 I checked the .patch file for the opacity, and it looks like you might not wanna fook with those files Oct 01 02:54:18 why not? Oct 01 02:54:31 Its up to you Oct 01 02:54:33 I have forked with files so many times in C Oct 01 02:54:39 egaudet: have the patches listed in the autopatch feed right now been updated to work properly with 1.2? Oct 01 02:54:43 so I"ll just fork with webos Oct 01 02:54:56 Worse comes to worse, webOSdoctor Oct 01 02:55:02 :-) Oct 01 02:55:13 what is this css file? Oct 01 02:55:26 The key here is that these files might not exists Oct 01 02:55:29 launcher.cs .... what are these @ symbols and + symbols Oct 01 02:55:31 exist* Oct 01 02:55:55 Scratch59, did you see the squarify the screen patch? Oct 01 02:56:01 i can't seem to locate the .patch file Oct 01 02:56:07 I can only assume add and delete Oct 01 02:56:20 add and delete? Oct 01 02:56:25 thats for the launcher Oct 01 02:56:31 adding and deleting pages Oct 01 02:57:35 nooooo Oct 01 02:57:43 add and delete lines from the css files Oct 01 02:57:49 ohhhhhhhhhhhhh Oct 01 02:57:50 + means add code following the + Oct 01 02:57:56 - means delete code Oct 01 02:58:08 what about @ signs Oct 01 02:58:31 I want to make it abundantly clear that I am completely guessing here Oct 01 02:58:42 your guesses are amazing Oct 01 02:58:52 now guess @ sign Oct 01 02:59:11 that might take a quick google search Oct 01 02:59:51 This conversation is excellently amusing :> **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Oct 01 02:59:56 2009