**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Oct 05 02:59:57 2009 Oct 05 03:01:32 I can't believe how close I am to getting this to work. The most frustrating part is I know I could do it in 5 minutes if I knew anything about the structure of the application i'm working with :P Oct 05 03:04:10 rwhitby, that fixed it - thanks Oct 05 03:04:54 is oil here? Oct 05 03:05:24 he was here a minute ago Oct 05 03:06:10 i need money :/ Oct 05 03:07:37 anyone here wanna donate to the "Get Mitchell a ZuneHD fund"? Oct 05 03:09:13 When a new WebOS version comes out, all one has to do is uncheck the tweaks in Quick Install before installing, right? No need to remove the GNU or Preware packages, right? Oct 05 03:10:17 They say to remove tweaks and patches, but leaving the homebrew apps is ok Oct 05 03:11:58 I removed virtual keyboard patch, but I had to reinstall the terminal and terminal service to get it to work after 1.2.1 Oct 05 03:13:44 * oil is not here kesne Oct 05 03:14:19 oil: can you help me? Oct 05 03:15:46 i dont know Oct 05 03:16:29 Well hold on Oct 05 03:22:36 kesne: i think helping you is out of any 1 man's hands :P Oct 05 03:22:52 :P Oct 05 03:23:05 I figure out everything out on my own usually Oct 05 03:23:18 But talking it out and yelling nub at oil usually helps the process Oct 05 03:23:38 kesne: hah, that's how most do it. Oct 05 03:24:13 woot Oct 05 03:24:17 gta4 download finished Oct 05 03:25:41 really is kesne asking Oct 05 03:25:46 then me telling him to find it himself Oct 05 03:26:01 Yeah Oct 05 03:34:57 I just doctor'd to 1.2.1 and tried installing terminal app from Preware. Just get a blank black screen. I see from the logs last night that someone else had the same issue and would appear I dont have the service. Can I just install the plugin then and all should be well? Oct 05 03:36:58 * zonyl 's first time using the preware app for installation of ipkgs. Oct 05 03:37:50 i removed the terminal, then installed the plugin, but not sure if that was required Oct 05 03:37:55 hah, virgin blood. Oct 05 03:38:02 afterwards, it worked as expected Oct 05 03:38:14 you just need terminal/termplugin Oct 05 03:38:20 if it doesnt work after both are installed Oct 05 03:38:23 restart your phone Oct 05 03:38:24 and it will Oct 05 03:39:24 ok. So I am removing both, then re-add the service first, then the mojo app? Oct 05 03:40:00 meh, doesnt matter the order Oct 05 03:40:06 just restart after both are installed. Oct 05 03:44:31 Well that worked. Odd that it didnt the first time I tried. Oct 05 03:45:56 Any word on the DFBuffer plugin? Oct 05 03:49:11 ~seen ameng Oct 05 03:49:12 ameng was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 8d 15m 30s ago, saying: 'http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2009/09/25/gsm-palm-pre-on-the-horizon/ , they think palm pre is more open than nokia n900, heh'. Oct 05 03:49:35 looks like we havn't heard from ameng in over a week. Oct 05 03:50:12 Guess ill send him an email. Was thinking of writing something similar to that. Oct 05 03:51:11 egaudet: you here? Oct 05 03:53:09 okay... question for anyone... how do i clear out the patches i had installed using autopatch so i can install them again? Oct 05 03:53:12 Should be interesting when the GSM pre hits the street next week Oct 05 03:54:55 Wow. O2 is giving away a touchstones at launch. Oct 05 03:59:28 I WANT MSN Oct 05 03:59:41 hatt: ERC Oct 05 03:59:46 or whatever it's called Oct 05 03:59:51 emergency patch thingy Oct 05 04:00:02 installs, removes all patches, uninstalls Oct 05 04:00:22 works like a charm on any patch that hasn't gotten COMPLETELY screwed up (like some of mine did) Oct 05 04:05:33 we shall see :) thanks Oct 05 04:05:39 np Oct 05 04:15:45 oil: yt? Oct 05 04:17:58 no Oct 05 04:18:56 HattCzech, pong Oct 05 04:19:22 hey egaudet... i was wondering about patches that i didn't remove before installing 1.2.1 Oct 05 04:19:34 but i got an answer Oct 05 04:19:47 about the emergency patch recovery thing Oct 05 04:20:09 k Oct 05 04:26:23 oil: nice. quick question. what's the string to add the autopatch feed via cmd line? you posted this a couple days ago but I can't remember what it is. Oct 05 04:28:18 echo "src/gz autopatch http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/autopatch/all" > /var/etc/ipkg/autopatch.conf Oct 05 04:28:26 thats it Oct 05 04:28:53 is there an autopatch page on the wiki that says that to point people to? Oct 05 04:31:55 i thought you were going to bed egaudet Oct 05 04:32:00 i was Oct 05 04:32:06 that was like 3 hours ago Oct 05 04:32:07 lol Oct 05 04:32:14 want to stay awake a bit longer? Oct 05 04:32:18 I got like 40 screenshots here Oct 05 04:32:26 I want to start sleeping normally again lol Oct 05 04:32:30 but yea I got a few Oct 05 04:32:43 screenshots of what the patches do? Oct 05 04:32:54 bout to clone the build.git repo and zip up the autopatch folder Oct 05 04:33:07 oil: aye Oct 05 04:33:18 Should we post a quick autopatch thread in homebrew for now until the wiki is written up in detail? Oct 05 04:33:28 awesome Oct 05 04:33:41 you know Oct 05 04:34:37 i just realized that preware had patch screenshots disabled for some reason? Oct 05 04:34:48 ahaha what!? Oct 05 04:34:55 umm Oct 05 04:34:59 lol Oct 05 04:34:59 no it doesn't Oct 05 04:35:02 that is a lie thoug Oct 05 04:35:05 really? Oct 05 04:35:06 or at least it won't in about 30 mins Oct 05 04:35:09 pretty sure i've seen screenshots lol Oct 05 04:35:13 lol Oct 05 04:35:16 in 091? Oct 05 04:35:18 * egaudet checking Oct 05 04:35:23 0.9.2 will be released then Oct 05 04:35:27 * dBsooner will force oil Oct 05 04:35:32 ive already fixed it Oct 05 04:35:32 lol Oct 05 04:36:16 ok i guess they are disabled :P Oct 05 04:36:23 i must have seen them in 090 Oct 05 04:36:26 purely on accident Oct 05 04:36:35 oil: thx. I didnt see a wiki page hence the question Oct 05 04:36:52 oil, so can you push 0.9.2 tonight then? :D Oct 05 04:37:09 lol Oct 05 04:37:11 yeah Oct 05 04:39:00 so question about the autopatch, does it use quilt or something else? Oct 05 04:39:00 under the hood Oct 05 04:39:10 GNU patch Oct 05 04:39:11 nope Oct 05 04:39:12 i.e. i already applied some patches using quilt. wanted to make sure that there is not going to be an issue. Oct 05 04:39:13 gnu patch Oct 05 04:39:25 quilt = crap Oct 05 04:39:54 autopatch is under the hood of all non command-line patching now Oct 05 04:39:57 why does my print screen always save 2 images? Oct 05 04:40:07 jpg and png Oct 05 04:40:11 why? Oct 05 04:40:14 that's dumb Oct 05 04:40:18 and the picture viewer used to not show the pngs Oct 05 04:40:20 Hey all.. dBsooner has since 1.2 Oct 05 04:40:52 speaking of which Oct 05 04:40:57 you fixed the VKB right? Oct 05 04:41:04 to hide images from pic viewer Oct 05 04:41:12 * dBsooner pointed at egaudet in that question. Oct 05 04:41:23 he has. Oct 05 04:41:36 yea Oct 05 04:45:22 rwhitby: you saw the feed stuff in preware? Oct 05 04:45:58 ok, its pushed and tagged Oct 05 04:46:13 anyone got preware/build able to push the change? Oct 05 04:46:31 egaudet Oct 05 04:46:51 yea Oct 05 04:47:02 you got preware/build, no? Oct 05 04:47:12 yea Oct 05 04:47:13 i mean, i could do it Oct 05 04:47:16 lol Oct 05 04:47:18 just if you've already got stuff to go Oct 05 04:47:21 feel free Oct 05 04:47:31 mine is a bit behind Oct 05 04:47:37 still editing Oct 05 04:47:43 i've got nothing to do, i'm just taking orders at the moment Oct 05 04:47:52 lol Oct 05 04:47:55 precisely Oct 05 04:47:57 lol Oct 05 04:48:01 i can do it then Oct 05 04:51:38 ok Oct 05 04:51:41 10 mins Oct 05 04:52:24 oil, how many does it support? Oct 05 04:52:28 3? Oct 05 04:52:37 x Oct 05 04:52:38 or as many as I want Oct 05 04:52:40 nice Oct 05 04:52:41 thanks Oct 05 04:55:20 who these days could kickass and take names at a potential feature request for Terminal? Oct 05 04:56:34 WebOS repair utility states its not compatible for 1.2.1 Should I stay away from this? I wouldn't think it would be that great of deal... Oct 05 04:57:11 if it replaces a file changed in 121 with a file from 120 it could be a big deal Oct 05 05:07:14 hey Oct 05 05:07:20 can someone test something for me Oct 05 05:07:48 what? Oct 05 05:08:19 the patch to show all day appts in month view. Oct 05 05:09:49 it installs Oct 05 05:09:53 but mines not doing anything Oct 05 05:10:44 hey, one good thing autopatch is doing Oct 05 05:10:48 is making people install lunamanager Oct 05 05:10:49 haha Oct 05 05:12:49 Does anyone have a documented log of the files changed from 1.2.0 - 1.2.1? Oct 05 05:14:26 autopatch rules! Oct 05 05:14:36 lol Oct 05 05:14:37 odd, now my month view is not showing anny appts Oct 05 05:14:41 well, 092 is up Oct 05 05:14:56 people can see screenshots in patches now Oct 05 05:14:59 s/anny/any/ Oct 05 05:14:59 dBsooner meant: odd, now my month view is not showing any appts Oct 05 05:28:03 oil: what's new with feeds and preware? Oct 05 05:28:41 what size should the previews be? Oct 05 05:28:53 dimensions, and png or jpg? Oct 05 05:29:05 what previews? Oct 05 05:29:10 of the patches Oct 05 05:29:13 http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flashplayer/articles/mobile_demos_fp10.1/popup01.html chuq just posted that Oct 05 05:29:13 all the screenshots I took Oct 05 05:29:17 the screenshot from your pre Oct 05 05:29:23 is the right size Oct 05 05:29:26 right Oct 05 05:29:30 but its 220KB Oct 05 05:29:33 so Oct 05 05:29:38 upload the png Oct 05 05:29:39 wiki doesn't like it Oct 05 05:30:00 wiki doesn't like you i upload pre screenshots Oct 05 05:30:06 it just says it "recommends" it not be larger than 150KB Oct 05 05:30:35 http://www.webos-internals.org/images/6/61/Add_date_to_top_bar.png Oct 05 05:31:40 thats a pretty ugly yellow box Oct 05 05:31:40 lol Oct 05 05:32:03 and Oct 05 05:32:07 you installed the survivor app? Oct 05 05:32:11 lolol Oct 05 05:32:46 i install everything Oct 05 05:32:55 and i haven't decided ont eh color of the box yet Oct 05 05:33:04 or how to even "highlight" what I want people to see Oct 05 05:33:14 * rwhitby had all the apps installed at one point. Oct 05 05:33:37 lol Oct 05 05:33:43 I install everything to "test" it Oct 05 05:34:33 oil, what do you recommend for the highlighting of the area affected by the patch? Oct 05 05:34:42 or just not highlight it? Oct 05 05:34:43 :D Oct 05 05:36:44 i always thought red was a good highlight color Oct 05 05:36:48 oil: http://www.webos-internals.org/images/6/61/Add_date_to_top_bar.png Oct 05 05:36:50 you read my mind Oct 05 05:37:01 better? Oct 05 05:37:34 better then yellow, yes Oct 05 05:38:26 DeveloperMod Oct 05 05:38:37 e Oct 05 05:38:39 lol Oct 05 05:38:57 not my word wrap Oct 05 05:38:57 ;) Oct 05 05:39:04 someone didn't put a space in there Oct 05 05:39:13 * dBsooner thinks SOMEONE should fix that patch.. Oct 05 05:39:23 yea someone definitely should Oct 05 05:39:30 I'm busy Oct 05 05:39:32 take a number Oct 05 05:39:34 let me call aunt minnie and see if she's busy Oct 05 05:39:39 k Oct 05 05:49:13 dBsooner: which patches have screenshots already pushed? Oct 05 05:49:23 none, I can push 3 right now Oct 05 05:49:27 hang on Oct 05 05:51:43 once we have screenshots for all the patches, I'll do a tweet to announce Preware 0.9.2 Oct 05 05:54:43 rwhitby! How was your holiday? Oct 05 05:59:50 Eguy: didn't connect to the internet once Oct 05 06:00:47 so miserable then? :P Oct 05 06:01:57 Plenty of time spent with family :-) Oct 05 06:02:16 Good to hear Oct 05 06:02:21 i love how thats always the answer Oct 05 06:02:24 not connecting hte internet Oct 05 06:02:32 Lots of excitement while you were gone Oct 05 06:02:32 lol Oct 05 06:02:46 http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/flash-10-1-announced-for-just-about-anything-with-a-screen-webo/ interesting Oct 05 06:02:57 should the patches have a field that shows what version it is compatible with or is this already available and i just wasnt aware of it. Oct 05 06:03:18 jauderho: we're working on that Oct 05 06:03:31 ah ok Oct 05 06:03:50 jauderho: we also want to take into account CDMA vs GSM etc before defining such a field too narrowly Oct 05 06:04:08 I still can't install patches from preware :( I have to use QI Oct 05 06:04:12 rwhitby: you are right its probably not gonna help to have it in the feed Oct 05 06:04:26 different feeds for each webos version will be needed Oct 05 06:04:37 unless each ipk contains multiple patches Oct 05 06:04:40 makes sense. Oct 05 06:04:47 and applies the right version Oct 05 06:04:50 if one exists Oct 05 06:05:01 in that case Oct 05 06:05:01 but probably not a good idea to open the rathole of per carrier feeds =) Oct 05 06:05:08 we could have a entry in the feed Oct 05 06:05:11 and preware could not show it Oct 05 06:05:19 if its not supported for that webos version Oct 05 06:05:24 so people dont waste time installing it Oct 05 06:05:46 and not having multiple feeds would probably be nicer from the user pov Oct 05 06:06:22 user won't see multiple feeds - the postinst (or an upstart job) for ipkgservice will take care of that. Oct 05 06:07:21 it would be better still to base dependencies on palm package versions rather than the version of a collection but for that we would need to plug into palm's ipkg feed Oct 05 06:07:44 destinal: thats not really the issue here Oct 05 06:08:08 i dont think there is a ipk that really represents a webos version Oct 05 06:08:08 destinal: agreed. I'm also thinking of a meta-package which denotes the webos version installed Oct 05 06:08:26 PuffTheMagic: the point is, it doesn't matter what version of webos you run Oct 05 06:08:36 destinal: sure it does Oct 05 06:08:39 PuffTheMagic: just what version of the palm package your modification modifies Oct 05 06:08:55 destinal: do we know that palm is incrementing versions correctly? Oct 05 06:08:59 yes Oct 05 06:09:20 destinal: i get what you are saying... Oct 05 06:09:21 but Oct 05 06:09:34 using palms packages as deps means we can only support latest version Oct 05 06:09:47 that way when palm pushes out a new version of webos, if they don't change the package you modify, nothing has to happen Oct 05 06:09:49 if we do the check inside the ipkg then the ipkg can support multiple versions Oct 05 06:09:54 destinal: we could mirror palm's packages into the /var ipkg database, but I don't know how other things that use that db would handle that Oct 05 06:10:33 that would mean we could only support "lastest" version Oct 05 06:10:37 if we go that route Oct 05 06:10:48 and I know you guys had some discussions about alternate ipkg db's while I was away, so I'm taking that discussion into account too ... this will need some serious thinking. Oct 05 06:10:48 rwhitby: just mirroring would cause problems Oct 05 06:11:22 rwhitby: PuffTheMagic and others pointed out that the /var ipkg stuff comes up in the new version of the catalog app Oct 05 06:11:25 destinal: what if the ipkg checked for a palm package versions instead of webos version Oct 05 06:11:47 but inside of the ipkg not relying on ipkg binary Oct 05 06:12:36 PuffTheMagic: that could work. just seems wasteful not to take advantage of all the stuff ipkg already does for desp Oct 05 06:12:41 s/desp/deps/ Oct 05 06:12:42 destinal meant: PuffTheMagic: that could work. just seems wasteful not to take advantage of all the stuff ipkg already does for deps Oct 05 06:13:30 do ipkg dependencies work with versions? Oct 05 06:13:48 yeah, versions and ranges of versions, correct me if I'm wrong, rwhitby Oct 05 06:13:54 destinal: yep Oct 05 06:13:57 so we have everything we need already Oct 05 06:14:35 egaudet: only tricky part is either adding to palm's root ipkg lib for our homebrew stuff or somehow using more than one together Oct 05 06:14:53 destinal: yeah it would be nice to use ipkg, but ipkg is really limited in that it dont support old versions of packages Oct 05 06:15:12 ahh our ipkg -o /var installed wouldn't pick up palm package for dependencies hmm Oct 05 06:15:15 and i think we should avoid being locked into only supporting latest stuff Oct 05 06:15:19 PuffTheMagic: I don't follow. old versions of packages? Oct 05 06:16:17 destinal: yeah lets say packageA-1.1.0 and pacakgeA-1.2.0 exist Oct 05 06:16:22 do you mean that you can't maintain multiple packages for the same patch applying to different version ranges? Oct 05 06:16:25 there is no way to install =packageA-1.1.0 Oct 05 06:16:28 I'm open to discussion about using, for example, opkg with patches for Pre-specific things added (opkg is a later, rewritten, version of ipkg which accepts the same format packages) Oct 05 06:17:10 how is opkg usable as a dpkg replacement? Oct 05 06:17:38 PuffTheMagic: ah, the only way to do it before was by hand with a URL, then Oct 05 06:17:58 no ipkg native way Oct 05 06:18:04 right Oct 05 06:18:07 in fact, if we're going to open the door to requiring a new binary installed with ipkgservice, then that also opens the door to using apt Oct 05 06:18:11 just 1 of its limitations Oct 05 06:18:24 rwhitby: ehhh Oct 05 06:18:37 if we switch i vote for ebuilds :D Oct 05 06:18:48 rwhitby: apt has some advantages, I'm still worried about our lack of package signing Oct 05 06:19:03 destinal: how does plam do the signing? Oct 05 06:19:14 tmzt: fyi... the mount() thing worked like a charm Oct 05 06:19:31 mount(NULL,mountpoint,NULL,MS_REMOUNT|MS_RDONLY,NULL); Oct 05 06:19:42 rwhitby: I don't know if you are aware, but the Mer project is trying to set some standards for mobile software, including packaging (or at least that's the current discussion) Oct 05 06:19:57 tmzt: url? Oct 05 06:20:16 since Preware stuff is very webOS specific it might not be full compatibility, but it could head in that directions Oct 05 06:20:34 wiki.maemo.org/Mer I think Oct 05 06:20:40 er, yes, I checked Oct 05 06:20:46 PuffTheMagic: they add a file to control.tar.gz IIRC that has a signed hash or something, I haven't checked into it in detail. it's basically the same thing that we used to fakesign stuff to work with the email ipk hole, if you remember that stuff, just with a real signature Oct 05 06:21:08 they are using apt with a debian or ubuntu base, still deciding what exactly Oct 05 06:21:10 naaa i never got into that Oct 05 06:21:32 im anti-packaging standards Oct 05 06:21:40 each projects needs to pick its own Oct 05 06:21:42 for its own reasons Oct 05 06:21:50 some need something really small and lite Oct 05 06:21:53 others need robust Oct 05 06:22:15 just like distros not agreeing on 1 way Oct 05 06:23:01 sure, but common tools for a faster and more flexible package management system on mobile (arm) devices Oct 05 06:23:14 everybody can choose package names, repos, etc. over that Oct 05 06:23:33 yeah but just look at ipkg Oct 05 06:23:35 as well a their own build systems, toolchains, etc. Oct 05 06:23:40 it was choosen cause it small and lite Oct 05 06:23:43 and it sucks Oct 05 06:24:08 and opkg, which replaces it with a c program Oct 05 06:24:09 PuffTheMagic: well, the format? or the code? Oct 05 06:24:17 the format is debian 2.0 isn't it? Oct 05 06:24:25 tmzt: yeah, essentially Oct 05 06:24:33 destinal: its features/ or lack of them Oct 05 06:24:34 not the code Oct 05 06:25:04 and neither has the level of repository management or dependency resolution of apt Oct 05 06:27:23 rwhitby: the whole disable feeds thing in ipgkservice... you are still going with the rename to .disabled method right? Oct 05 06:27:38 PuffTheMagic: yep Oct 05 06:27:43 k Oct 05 06:28:10 I noticed that I couldn't remove feeds by hand, preware keeps reasserting them Oct 05 06:28:14 :-/ Oct 05 06:28:17 rwhitby: what about prefixing it with a . Oct 05 06:28:24 you should be able to remove them Oct 05 06:28:25 rwhitby: that is more unix-y Oct 05 06:28:49 what's wrong with #? Oct 05 06:28:49 PuffTheMagic: huh? dot files are not disabled files Oct 05 06:29:08 oil: maybe something odd was going on, i didn't dig into it very closely, just when preyourmind wasn't responding one day I removed it, and it came back later (not sure how) Oct 05 06:29:11 rwhitby: ipkg still sees them? Oct 05 06:29:40 PuffTheMagic: .emacs is not a disabled emacs fle Oct 05 06:29:59 .bashrc is not a disabled bash profile Oct 05 06:30:01 only hidden from ls Oct 05 06:30:07 yeah, typically in unix a suffix gets added Oct 05 06:30:12 (and * glob) Oct 05 06:30:42 or permissions get changed Oct 05 06:30:43 yeah i know its hidden from ls i just thought some apps also ignored them Oct 05 06:31:32 alas, after midnight here already and work tomorrow. gn all. Oct 05 06:31:42 night destinal-sleep Oct 05 06:32:28 * rwhitby bbl Oct 05 06:39:01 * freakout hates the freenode web client, but hates xchat's registration process even more Oct 05 06:39:17 freakout: use the one from silverex.org Oct 05 06:39:18 xchat registration? Oct 05 06:39:27 just /msg nickserv Oct 05 06:39:30 xchat for win asks for a fee after thirty days Oct 05 06:39:39 ah, find a gpl one? Oct 05 06:39:39 which i'm actually happy to pay, 'cause it's a great client Oct 05 06:39:43 freakout: not the one from silverex.org Oct 05 06:39:46 but there's a 24hr wait! Oct 05 06:40:06 xchat is GPL Oct 05 06:40:07 rwhitby: maybe I should have complained earlier in the day, I've already ponied up the dosh ;) Oct 05 06:40:25 the charge is for the service of compilation on windows. silverex.org does that service for free. Oct 05 06:40:42 freakout: the silverex one is better too. Oct 05 06:41:02 rwhitby: well now you're just making me feel stupid. not that that isn't a regular occurence :) Oct 05 06:41:38 so, wow. You go away for one little weekend, and a metric ton of news happens Oct 05 06:41:54 Hmm - so I just tried my first patch on a real Pre on 1.2.1, and get a remount error at the end. Oct 05 06:42:03 yes rwhitby yes! Oct 05 06:42:04 lol Oct 05 06:42:07 lol Oct 05 06:42:10 was it in use? Oct 05 06:42:13 we need to debug this issue Oct 05 06:42:29 couple things, first off the ipkgservice or preware isn't handling failed remounts correctly Oct 05 06:42:49 happens during EPR too Oct 05 06:43:02 secondly is this something we cannot avoid. Oct 05 06:43:12 rwhitby, so it is happening consistently for you? Oct 05 06:43:22 egaudet: 3 out of 3 so far Oct 05 06:43:33 is it a remount ro or rw part? Oct 05 06:43:52 s/a/the Oct 05 06:45:31 remount ro Oct 05 06:46:57 is something loop mounted at that point? Oct 05 06:46:59 that's what I've heard from others so far Oct 05 06:47:28 its been causing rare issues on remove because the prerm runs (unpatches) but the ipk doesn't get "uninstalled" Oct 05 06:47:37 so subsequent removals fail Oct 05 06:48:05 root@castle:/# mount -o remount,ro / Oct 05 06:48:06 mount: mounting /dev/mapper/store-root on / failed: Device or resource busy Oct 05 06:48:58 can you strace? Oct 05 06:49:04 it's not the /opt loop mount Oct 05 06:49:10 -EBUSY I would assume though Oct 05 06:49:12 egaudet:: do you have an official announcement of the autopatch feed I can link to? Oct 05 06:49:22 not that i need one, but it'd be nice Oct 05 06:49:52 is that just a dm thing? Oct 05 06:49:54 or lvm thing Oct 05 06:50:16 http://webos.pastebin.com/d12b14e29 Oct 05 06:50:49 freakout: it will be part of the next version of ipkgservice, when we have screenshots for all the patches showing what each patch does Oct 05 06:50:50 data=ordered? Oct 05 06:50:57 was it ordered before? Oct 05 06:51:08 cat /proc/mountes Oct 05 06:51:10 cat /proc/mounts Oct 05 06:51:42 no official announcement anywhere Oct 05 06:51:46 the only thing non-standard about this Pre is I have a 2GB /var partition (done via meta-doctor) Oct 05 06:51:56 oil! Oct 05 06:52:00 it's got to be not matching otpions Oct 05 06:52:00 "loading status"... Oct 05 06:52:08 maybe parsing /proc/mounts and doing something with it? Oct 05 06:52:12 would help Oct 05 06:52:19 can you paste /proc/mounts Oct 05 06:52:31 http://webos.pastebin.com/d5e9ae8e2 Oct 05 06:52:31 ? Oct 05 06:52:39 I think is ignores remount if the options change Oct 05 06:52:40 i never saw that before i was stuck on loading status Oct 05 06:52:42 update feed fixed it Oct 05 06:52:55 huh Oct 05 06:53:07 any chance of looking in messages for an exception? Oct 05 06:53:20 /dev/mapper/store-root /dev/.static/dev ext3 rw,data=ordered 0 0 Oct 05 06:53:31 /dev/mapper/store-root / ext3 rw,data=ordered 0 0 Oct 05 06:53:32 odd Oct 05 06:53:45 (that's backwards in my paste) Oct 05 06:54:07 df -h /dev/.static/dev Oct 05 06:54:25 is there udev script broken? Oct 05 06:54:38 egaudet, rwhitby: Anything you want to add to the story? i'm just putting together a draft about the unofficial availability now, along with the new WOSQI interoperability Oct 05 06:54:46 nothing in messages oil Oct 05 06:54:59 egaudet: then i have no answer xD Oct 05 06:55:17 freakout: just make sure you get the story correct about who had patches first ;-) Oct 05 06:55:25 lol Oct 05 06:55:35 Aye... and who invented PATCHES. :D Oct 05 06:55:36 rwhitby: learned my lesson last time Oct 05 06:55:37 it was preload, right? Oct 05 06:55:43 yea and what's really on the underneath of ALL patching now ;) Oct 05 06:55:45 at least in terms of the pre and all Oct 05 06:56:07 No, it was filecoaster. :D Oct 05 06:56:13 I am just kidding. Oct 05 06:56:13 * rwhitby bbl - some gardening to be done Oct 05 06:56:17 lol Oct 05 06:57:05 Clearly rwhitby is not getting the same weather in adelaide as Sydney... it's about as anti-gardening weather as you can get right now. Oct 05 06:58:05 egaudet: school me like I'm Aunt Minnie (wrt the underbelly of patches) Oct 05 06:58:53 autopatch is more than just a feed Oct 05 06:59:07 and btw, as the resident webOS HID expert (or close enough...) what's the likelihood of a QWERTZ-to-QWERTY keymapper when that unlocked german pre comes out? Oct 05 06:59:59 patches have been wrapped into ipks so that all advanced homebrew installers can easily install them, list them, uninstall them Oct 05 07:00:17 freakout: u gonna take apart your keyboard and rearrange your keys? Oct 05 07:00:36 PuffTheMagic: I'm considering it :p Oct 05 07:00:56 There's a system of backing up files the first time they are touched by a patch, storing the filenames and package name of the patch just installed Oct 05 07:01:14 PuffTheMagic: but failing that, my muscle memory is trained for QWERTY touch-typing even on a puny thumb board. i'm stubborn enough to not want to have to unlearn things Oct 05 07:01:26 this information can be used by EPR ipk to remove/recover all patches at once. Oct 05 07:01:55 egaudet: can u double check the last commit i made Oct 05 07:02:00 im not sure if I did that correctly Oct 05 07:03:10 egaudet: Cool. Oct 05 07:03:16 egaudet: ty Oct 05 07:09:41 PuffTheMagic, just remember to free each element of list[] and then list Oct 05 07:10:29 right Oct 05 07:10:40 readdir lists just files right Oct 05 07:10:43 not directories Oct 05 07:11:03 should i be using scandir instead Oct 05 07:11:25 i should just checkfor .conf Oct 05 07:15:20 freakout: no idea what hidd uses for keymaps Oct 05 07:16:27 PuffTheMagic, what's the purpose of this function? Oct 05 07:17:18 to tell preware the available feeds Oct 05 07:17:32 do you seperate screenshots in the build Makefile with a ,? Oct 05 07:17:43 to toggle them Oct 05 07:18:48 or remove them Oct 05 07:20:39 ok i tweaked it to list files of a certain extension Oct 05 07:20:42 does this work: SCREENSHOTS = [\"http://www.webos-internals.org/images/1/14/All-attachments-1.png\",\"http://www.webos-internals.org/images/5/5c/All-attachments-2.png\",\"http://www.webos-internals.org/images/f/f6/All-attachments-3.png\"] Oct 05 07:20:46 so know i can list *.config Oct 05 07:20:51 and *.config.disabled Oct 05 07:20:56 s/config/conf Oct 05 07:21:03 * PuffTheMagic calls it a night Oct 05 07:21:57 yea i'm done too Oct 05 07:22:07 yeah, me too Oct 05 07:22:18 as long as someone answer my question above.. :D Oct 05 07:22:46 dBsooner: look in preware/build/apps/preware/Makefile Oct 05 07:23:04 that would have been the smart thing to do? Oct 05 07:23:14 It is 2:30AM and all Oct 05 07:23:20 freakout: the history of patches was in my latest tweet from early today Oct 05 07:23:50 PuffTheMagic: I'm going to buy a german GSM pre, and then swap the keyboard with the US CDMA one that I have Oct 05 07:33:23 tmzt: ignore those earlier pastebins about mounting - I was talking to the emulator Oct 05 07:34:13 ah, ok Oct 05 07:34:26 hmm - scrub that. perhaps I was talking to the device Oct 05 07:34:50 yeah, root@castle - real device Oct 05 07:34:52 well, it looked like the device Oct 05 07:34:57 does emulator use lvm? Oct 05 07:35:03 no :-) Oct 05 07:35:10 anyway, I think that's the problem Oct 05 07:35:18 Palm's udev scripts are broken Oct 05 07:35:30 they should not leave /dev/.static/dev like that Oct 05 07:35:59 it should either be part of root or part of /dev (tmpfs?) Oct 05 07:36:06 can you paste the init script? Oct 05 07:36:23 hang on, just trying rootfs_open -r Oct 05 07:36:30 not sure how they did that Oct 05 07:36:37 does rootfs_close work? Oct 05 07:36:44 or equivalent? Oct 05 07:36:52 that's rootfs_open -r Oct 05 07:37:11 -r means ro Oct 05 07:37:17 ok Oct 05 07:42:50 just discovered that the app catalog will not let you update if it thinks that you are over the app limit Oct 05 07:42:52 wth Oct 05 07:43:22 i mean i thought it was with adding new apps but no updating either? that's seriously wrongheaded. Oct 05 07:43:30 the app limit is so lol Oct 05 07:43:40 app limit? Oct 05 07:44:07 tmzt: if I unmount /dev/.static/dev first, the remount,ro works Oct 05 07:44:38 yeah Oct 05 07:44:43 so what's mounted there? Oct 05 07:49:35 mount -n -o bind /dev /etc/udev Oct 05 07:49:43 busybox mount -n -o move /etc/udev /dev/.static/dev Oct 05 07:50:02 so it's a bind mount of the static dev from the original rootfs Oct 05 07:51:20 # /dev/.static/dev/ is used by MAKEDEV to access the real /dev/ directory. Oct 05 07:52:01 yeah, which should be deleted Oct 05 07:52:07 or copied to rootfs Oct 05 07:52:18 so the dcache can be freed for the initramfs Oct 05 07:52:28 this is done in /etc/init.d/udev Oct 05 07:52:57 is that empty? Oct 05 07:53:06 is the directory empty? Oct 05 07:53:13 doesn't really matter because we can't fix this Oct 05 07:53:32 you unmounted the bind which freed the original node Oct 05 07:53:45 because it was not referenced anywhere else Oct 05 07:54:37 I unmounted /dev/.static/dev, and then the mount -o remount,ro / worked fine Oct 05 08:09:34 rwhitby: I mean we can't fix Palm's scripts, so that's the workaround Oct 05 08:09:45 .static/dev isn't really used for anything Oct 05 08:10:00 every initramfs has it's own set of static devices before starting mdev/udev Oct 05 08:13:47 I feel all kernelly just reading Oct 05 08:15:39 hmagoo: ? Oct 05 08:15:59 tmzt: so we will need to do that work-around in ipkgservice Oct 05 08:16:13 yeah, I think so Oct 05 08:16:28 you can't remount a filesystem ro mounted rw elsewhere, even if kernel is confused Oct 05 08:16:49 tmzt, nada, you're deeper in linux than I anticipate in my near future Oct 05 08:17:13 are you sure the mount -n -o bind /dev/ /etc/udev is before mounting /dev/mapper/root-store on / ? Oct 05 08:17:22 it doesn't seem like that from the contents of /proc/mounts Oct 05 08:17:53 hmagoo: just been using it a long time (maybe eight years?) Oct 05 08:22:22 tmzt: well myself maybe a little less, like 5 years, but faithfully.. Oct 05 08:23:07 tmzt: no, it's after Oct 05 08:23:23 mounting / is done very early Oct 05 08:23:29 ok Oct 05 08:23:48 since you said it was bindmounting the initramfs copy of /dev, or I understood you to be saying that Oct 05 08:24:24 21:15 <+rwhitby> so it's a bind mount of the static dev from the Oct 05 08:24:25 original rootfs Oct 05 08:24:39 which I read to mean the kernel's rootfs (/dev/root) Oct 05 08:25:13 no, a bind mount of the static dev from / Oct 05 08:25:25 (which is mounted from /dev/mapper/root-store Oct 05 08:25:57 ok, so that makes sense now Oct 05 08:28:21 ok.. I am headed to bed. I have fallen a sleep twice now at the keyboard Oct 05 08:28:46 don't really thinkI should be messing with the preware/build.git git right now Oct 05 08:29:15 * dBsooner doesn't feel like having rwhitby fly to Oklahoma with a couple of roo's to lay the smack down. Oct 05 08:30:04 plus I need to retake a lot of these screenshots and I just put a replacement invisible shield on. I need sleep. night. Oct 05 08:32:18 they have planes in oz? Oct 05 08:32:35 tmzt: Im going to doctor back to 1.1.0 and try and reproduce this remount problem on a virgin Pre Oct 05 08:32:51 then test meta-doctor on 1.2.0 Oct 05 08:32:54 rwhitby I got a ton of remount issues on 1.2.0 Oct 05 08:33:05 device or blah busy Oct 05 08:33:23 when remount -o remount,ro / was invoced. Oct 05 08:33:43 might be wa% in top? Oct 05 08:33:49 filesystem catching up Oct 05 08:33:59 no.. it had something to do with the dev Oct 05 08:34:07 have had that too Oct 05 08:34:14 I thinkI was reproducing it with usb Oct 05 08:34:21 when I would connect it via usb it would cause it to do that Oct 05 08:34:30 wher eyou could remount it rw, but ro gave error Oct 05 08:34:58 dBsooner: so you reckon it only happens when connected via usb? Oct 05 08:35:04 usb access makes novacomd go crazy for me sometimes Oct 05 08:35:08 Well, AFTEr usb connection Oct 05 08:35:10 why I hate it Oct 05 08:35:13 befcause I could take it off usb and still have it Oct 05 08:35:20 untill I rebooted Oct 05 08:35:35 but I think it had something to do with usb Oct 05 08:35:46 dBsooner: ok, I can test that theory now Oct 05 08:35:51 which would be bad bad deal since WOSQI uses autopatch now Oct 05 08:36:04 rebooting without being connected to USB ... Oct 05 08:36:25 k.. test my theory.. I seriously can't think straight. I gotta get some sleep. ;) Oct 05 08:37:12 * hmagoo wishes qosqi didn't use usb exclusively, but I guess.. it has to Oct 05 08:37:19 *wosqi Oct 05 08:37:38 you think? Oct 05 08:37:38 ;) Oct 05 08:38:45 rwhitby: I haven't tested it with 1.2.1 yet though Oct 05 08:39:12 but I don't see how palm would have fixed soemthing they don't know about Oct 05 08:39:37 oh well.. I am off.. ping me if you need me.. lol.. doubt i'll answer though Oct 05 08:40:48 in fact, I don't even know if I tested it completely in 1.2.0 Oct 05 08:41:01 the last 2 weeks have kinda bled together. Oct 05 08:41:04 ok. night. Oct 05 08:42:47 installed fine when rebooted and not connected to usb Oct 05 08:43:16 hmagoo: if wqi didn't install stuff over usb, it would be preware Oct 05 08:43:17 xD Oct 05 08:44:19 connect to usb, but don't touch any of the three options - still remounts fine, even with the /dev/.static/dev mounted Oct 05 08:44:20 * hmagoo begs for wifi Oct 05 08:44:39 touch just charge, still fine Oct 05 08:45:00 touch charge? Oct 05 08:45:09 rwhitby: I assume hid did something with usb.. like use wqi Oct 05 08:45:15 odd Oct 05 08:45:15 *he Oct 05 08:45:58 it remounts to rw or to ro? Oct 05 08:49:58 both are fine. Oct 05 08:50:05 now lets try rebooting connected to usb Oct 05 08:51:17 wqi? Oct 05 08:51:29 well, hid in that context? Oct 05 08:51:54 assuming wqi is webos quick install (these things get shorter and shorter) Oct 05 08:51:57 what is hid? Oct 05 08:54:29 rebooted with usb connected, and remounting is now fine too. Oct 05 08:55:08 so the /dev/.static/dev thing is a red herring Oct 05 08:58:20 hid is human interface device, from usb terminology Oct 05 09:04:47 we don't know the cause? Oct 05 09:04:58 yes, I didn't know if that was what was meant in this context Oct 05 09:05:13 22:09 < hmagoo> rwhitby: I assume hid did something with usb.. like use wqi Oct 05 09:05:20 what does that mean? Oct 05 09:10:13 sorry tmzt Oct 05 09:10:46 I mean that when he used usb he went through some other action to start novacomd or something causing problems for him, like using webos quick install Oct 05 09:11:00 nm Oct 05 09:11:22 hid was a bad coincidence Oct 05 09:15:33 tmzt: we don't know the cause. rebooting or connecting to USB is not a deterministic factor Oct 05 09:56:41 rwhitby, where in oz? Oct 05 09:58:26 rwhitby, now that you have a pre are you going to dabble with cpu scaling? Oct 05 09:59:47 not much to dabble with there. save compile in additional governors or try a new kernel Oct 05 10:00:13 he already has a pre... Oct 05 10:00:25 afaik, code not available for smartreflex... Oct 05 10:00:29 jauderho, clipcarl's script works ok Oct 05 10:00:49 but with new 1.2.x I notice it isn't staying down at lower speeds all the time Oct 05 10:01:00 i use it. it's okay. but does not utilize smartreflex Oct 05 10:01:08 even when I do nothing, not sure what the pre is doing Oct 05 10:01:14 yeah I hear ya Oct 05 10:01:16 it only sets speeds based on on or off screen. Oct 05 10:01:30 so there could be something more wrung out there. but not sure how much. Oct 05 10:01:46 well it can scale regardless of screen state Oct 05 10:01:47 geist alluded to some but it does not appear high on palm's list. Oct 05 10:01:53 or scale only when off, or on, etc Oct 05 10:02:20 clipcarl's program only does on or off and cpu usage. Oct 05 10:02:32 smartreflex changes voltage IIRC Oct 05 10:02:36 yep Oct 05 10:02:40 my cputime Oct 05 10:02:42 600000 0 Oct 05 10:02:42 550000 1224777 Oct 05 10:02:42 500000 110787 Oct 05 10:02:42 250000 148933 Oct 05 10:02:42 125000 2181928 Oct 05 10:02:56 and the governor actuall scales on cpu usage dynamically Oct 05 10:02:57 but I haven't used the pre nearly 1/3 of the time Oct 05 10:03:24 well it needs juice when it periodically wakes up to do things like sync mail, contacts Oct 05 10:03:37 I actually ahve mine set between 250 and 500 Oct 05 10:03:51 since 125mhz really is not sufficient juice to do things Oct 05 10:03:51 yes, but in previous webos's I can remember much more dramatic differences Oct 05 10:04:23 they did improve things somewhat due to changing some of the transitions, i.e. when stuff wakes up Oct 05 10:04:51 i'm still not impressed since my pre died in about 8hrs from going to the cal-usc game and back home Oct 05 10:05:07 that sucks Oct 05 10:05:19 did use it quite a bit but it certainly does not compare to my treo 700p with an extended battery. Oct 05 10:05:38 the siedio battery looks cool Oct 05 10:05:55 if the phone can handle an occasional "oops I forgot to charge it last night" event, that's sufficient battery life imo. Oct 05 10:06:06 otherwise it's not very good. Oct 05 10:07:21 I now have the mugen 1400mh battery Oct 05 10:07:34 battery monitor reports about 1356mh tho so ymmv Oct 05 10:07:36 I agree I wonder if there are some settings with gps or something that are going unnoticed by me, but also, there have been a lot of homebrew apps I have installed which seem to do a lot of backgrounding and sometimes I open them and they are activated again, sigh, going to clean them up Oct 05 10:07:54 if you are lucky, watch the logs Oct 05 10:08:19 I know for a fact that the flight tracker app wakes up consistently to check things Oct 05 10:08:25 which ones specifically Oct 05 10:08:38 I should start monitoring the logs again to see if I can find any misbehaving apps. Oct 05 10:09:17 which logs should I watch? Oct 05 10:09:48 /var/log/messages Oct 05 10:09:57 but not all apps log Oct 05 10:10:00 so ymmv Oct 05 10:10:03 interesting. Oct 05 10:10:04 2009-10-05T10:06:30.015112Z [9290] castle user.warning LunaSysService: getPreferences(): resultMap: [LEDThrobberEnabled] -> [---, length 5] Oct 05 10:10:12 I dont have the led patch applied. Oct 05 10:10:21 wonder why it's trying to do that. Oct 05 10:11:40 just the ui is commented out? Oct 05 10:12:00 dunno Oct 05 10:12:15 well this is dumb. why is the contacts trying to sync every 10 mins or so? Oct 05 10:12:17 if I do the quiet powerd patch will they not show up in log/messages? Oct 05 10:12:31 thought it did push or something Oct 05 10:12:33 dont know I dont have that applied Oct 05 10:12:35 nope Oct 05 10:12:39 email is push Oct 05 10:12:45 but calendar and contacts are not Oct 05 10:12:47 afaik Oct 05 10:12:50 which suxor. Oct 05 10:12:50 what accounts you have? Oct 05 10:13:01 2 gmail, 1 facebook, 1 linkedin Oct 05 10:15:16 well as of 1.2.1 CONFIG_PREEMPT is not enabled in the kernel Oct 05 10:18:46 yep Oct 05 10:19:46 interesting Oct 05 10:20:02 android has CONFIG_PREEMPT enabled Oct 05 10:20:03 http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=kernel/msm.git;a=blob;f=arch/arm/configs/msm_defconfig;h=2d2fb10d324b0a458ba0fe1978dc0aa11a0d66f4;hb=HEAD Oct 05 10:20:10 memory usage appears much better now.. Oct 05 10:20:23 although I think I did a swappiness hack Oct 05 10:20:32 think that would work otherwise though Oct 05 10:21:13 anyone else got a webos quick install 2.7 handy? Do you see any feeds other than PreCentral ? Oct 05 10:21:43 rwhitby: I can Oct 05 10:21:55 WOSQI 2.72 Oct 05 10:22:00 all feeds A-OK Oct 05 10:23:00 what? set swappiness to 0? Oct 05 10:23:45 root@castle:/boot# cat /proc/sys/vm/swappiness Oct 05 10:23:46 60 Oct 05 10:25:10 have mine on 5 Oct 05 10:25:11 ? Oct 05 10:26:58 freakout: hmm - the drop-down for the feeds is greyed out on mine Oct 05 10:27:38 rwhitby: time to blast your ISP. who are you with anyways? Oct 05 10:27:58 freakout: nope, it's not an ISP thing - I think it's a custom feed preferences thing Oct 05 10:28:11 60 is default Oct 05 10:28:11 hmm Oct 05 10:28:22 just tried to find the current io scheduler used and it's not telling me. Oct 05 10:28:22 Must be. I don't have any customs Oct 05 10:29:04 but I don't know where the preferences are stored for a java app on macosx so I can kill them Oct 05 10:30:13 .Library ? Oct 05 10:30:26 cat /sys/block/mmcblk0/queue/scheduler ? Oct 05 10:30:48 that's iosched probably, what are you looking for? Oct 05 10:30:49 cfq Oct 05 10:30:54 yeah Oct 05 10:31:16 yeah. was looking in the wrong spot Oct 05 10:31:21 jauderho, the deadline didn't do much for me Oct 05 10:31:23 looks like others have been looking at this too. Oct 05 10:31:24 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/200636-i-o-scheduler-tweaking.html Oct 05 10:31:27 afaik Oct 05 10:31:29 yep Oct 05 10:32:15 the pre uses anticipatory as defaul Oct 05 10:32:16 t Oct 05 10:32:36 cfq no? Oct 05 10:32:44 oh wait, that's strange Oct 05 10:32:51 cat /sys/block/mmcblk0/queue/scheduler says cfq Oct 05 10:33:07 /boot/config* says AS Oct 05 10:33:30 I thought it induced some hangups, but I don't know might have been cpuspeed Oct 05 10:33:42 android says AS too Oct 05 10:33:52 well at least in the kernel config Oct 05 10:34:31 have you tried noop? Oct 05 10:34:44 nope, Oct 05 10:34:49 wow phone is coming up fast Oct 05 10:35:18 ? Oct 05 10:35:26 phone app launch Oct 05 10:35:37 using what setting? Oct 05 10:36:07 deadline, maybe my swappiness setting too? Oct 05 10:36:15 and 550mhz Oct 05 10:37:48 maybe half second to launch Oct 05 10:38:54 it's probably your 550 setting Oct 05 10:40:26 exec /opt/sbin/cpuspeed -i 2 -p 55 75 -M 550000 -a /sys/devices/platform/lcd.0/panel_state -A 10 -C -D -r Oct 05 10:41:20 I am using exec /opt/sbin/cpuspeed -m 250000 -M 500000 -a /sys/devices/platform/lcd.0/panel_state -A 10 -C -r Oct 05 10:41:28 I like that too Oct 05 10:42:09 was thinking of doing that but locking 250 when off, figure the pre can't really use more without the screen Oct 05 10:42:18 I think the increased -i setting seemed to comsume more battery life for me Oct 05 10:42:32 yeah I might try higher, but didn't want lag Oct 05 10:44:07 what did you go with for io scheduler? Oct 05 10:44:22 havent changed it Oct 05 10:44:27 it says cfq for me Oct 05 10:46:14 on the scheduler thread I have to chmod +x the file in /etc/event.d correct? Oct 05 10:46:34 re: post on precentral Oct 05 10:46:52 anything you want to execute that's not sourced needs x permission as a rule on linux Oct 05 10:47:07 k Oct 05 10:47:22 though the upstart configs are not programs I think Oct 05 10:47:36 no they aren't Oct 05 10:47:54 they aren't execute on my ubuntu either Oct 05 10:48:05 it shouldn't hurt anything but isn't neccessary Oct 05 10:51:29 off to sleep Oct 05 10:52:24 I think I deleted an app or two with orange-click.... Oct 05 11:49:02 yo! Oct 05 14:34:48 hi all! Oct 05 14:45:52 Hello ice-11, it's monday so the channel will be pretty dead. Oct 05 15:14:43 nornin ya'll Oct 05 15:14:50 rwhitby: you awake? Oct 05 15:19:34 * Templarian lols Oct 05 15:19:48 Morning dB Oct 05 15:20:09 dBsooner-work: it's 2:19 in the morning for australia. Oct 05 15:20:59 and? Oct 05 15:21:08 I was awake at 3:30 this morning in central US. Oct 05 15:22:10 Forgot some people have odd sleep schedules. Oct 05 15:29:03 sleep? Oct 05 15:29:15 I've got kids and a job. There is no sleep. Oct 05 15:46:25 nt4cats: i hear you there Oct 05 15:46:25 I got 2 girls and a wife and a full time job Oct 05 15:47:01 so... Oct 05 15:47:27 did 1.2.1 totally bork everything? emergency patch remover isn't in preware at all, and i can't remove any of my patches to reinstall them... :S Oct 05 15:47:51 did you update before uninstalling the patches? Oct 05 15:47:54 (or trying to) Oct 05 15:47:57 yeah.... dumb idea Oct 05 15:48:58 is there a CLI way that i can remove the patches? the ipkg log said i could use some sort of force argument Oct 05 15:51:42 dBsooner: morning Oct 05 15:51:51 silly webchat Oct 05 15:51:58 awww webchat is so shitty Oct 05 15:52:00 sigh :( do i have to use the doctor? Oct 05 15:52:01 I know Oct 05 15:52:05 i really need that irc service working Oct 05 15:52:14 especially when you drive around like me and your connection changes a lot Oct 05 15:52:22 Yeah, you do PuffTheMagic. Oct 05 15:52:33 laksdfhasjdfa Oct 05 15:52:41 im going to a conference in a few weeks, i need IRC by then Oct 05 15:52:44 PuffTheMagic: do you know anything about the autobuild script on the webos-internals git? Oct 05 15:53:13 or maybe Rick_away, Rick_work, or rick_home does Oct 05 15:53:19 sorta why Oct 05 15:53:34 i want to be able to rebuild a package with the same version # Oct 05 15:54:18 egaudet: was smoking some reefer when he thought it was a good idea to have to increment build #'s just to change details in the Makefile., Oct 05 15:54:42 in other words.. when I add SCREENSHOTS =, I have to bump the build # of that package so autobuild will rebuild it.. otherwise it skips it. Oct 05 15:54:50 yeah that is stupid Oct 05 15:54:59 no bumping versions for metadata changes Oct 05 15:55:02 dBsooner-work, PuffTheMagic, or tlp: do you know if i need to use the doctor if i can't uninstall any patches via preware because i upgraded to 1.2.1 without uninstalling first? Oct 05 15:55:04 I don't want everyone thinking, "Hey.. there is an UPDATE to this patch.." just beause I added a screenshot. Oct 05 15:55:20 yokken: have you done ANYTHING since upgrading? Oct 05 15:55:30 i can't even do anything Oct 05 15:55:36 what do you mean? Oct 05 15:55:36 just texting and taking pictures, typical phone stuff Oct 05 15:55:39 yokken: you can exctract the root image out of the webos jar and then scp over all the file u broke with patches Oct 05 15:55:50 i don't even know which files i borked Oct 05 15:55:58 guys guys! Oct 05 15:56:01 look at the patches you applied Oct 05 15:56:03 i can't even undo the hide nfl, nascar apps Oct 05 15:56:03 PuffTheMagic: so is there a way to force the build script to just refresh metadata changes in the ipkg? Oct 05 15:56:13 my pre is threatening to update next charge, how do i stop it from doing this, i need more time to remove tweaks! Oct 05 15:56:24 OHSHI- Oct 05 15:56:25 i dont know that much Oct 05 15:56:27 yokken: Isn't there some tool on PreCentral that compares your filesystem with what it's supposed to be? Oct 05 15:56:29 PreMan: why can't you undo? Oct 05 15:56:31 dunno if it works with 1.2.1 Oct 05 15:56:33 :O Oct 05 15:56:35 err. yokken: why can't you undo? Oct 05 15:56:42 dBsooner-work: if you hosted all the patches on pym then it wouldbe easy Oct 05 15:56:43 I can, but i have to go to tennis, and my charge is at 30% Oct 05 15:56:45 dBsooner-work: preware fails at postinst Oct 05 15:56:46 i want to keep my phone on Oct 05 15:56:55 how do i stop it from updating next charge Oct 05 15:57:02 i wanna charge it but i don't wnat that update YET Oct 05 15:57:07 PuffTheMagic: not my call. That's egaudet and rwhitby. Oct 05 15:57:07 how will i ever stop it!? Oct 05 15:57:10 PreMan: u cant Oct 05 15:57:15 i was in that boat Oct 05 15:57:17 yokken: what error? Oct 05 15:57:19 OH NO! Oct 05 15:57:23 error 4 Oct 05 15:57:25 it will try to update every boot Oct 05 15:57:27 yokken: duh Oct 05 15:57:32 PreMan: i couldnt find a way to bypass it Oct 05 15:57:36 my phone gonna brick! Oct 05 15:57:37 yokken: when you get that error 4, hit ipkg log Oct 05 15:57:39 well let me do it for you Oct 05 15:57:39 AHAHHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Oct 05 15:57:54 yokken: and tell me what's in red Oct 05 15:58:01 i'm going to attempt to undo the "hide nascar app" Oct 05 15:58:07 ok Oct 05 15:58:12 k, fail Oct 05 15:58:16 ipkg l;og Oct 05 15:58:22 whats in red Oct 05 15:58:22 and it says unreversed patch detected Oct 05 15:58:25 particulary at th ebottom Oct 05 15:58:27 nothing's in red Oct 05 15:58:29 PuffTheMagic, how am i going to remove patches that require me to plug into cocmputer? Oct 05 15:58:30 it's a short log Oct 05 15:58:49 odd.. ithat's basically saying the patch isn't applied Oct 05 15:58:53 PreMan: you cant Oct 05 15:58:56 it says i can ignore it with -R, but it skips the removal becayse of an 'unreversed patch detected' Oct 05 15:58:59 yokken: you got Luna Manager? Oct 05 15:59:03 that's the error i get with every thing i try to uninstall Oct 05 15:59:03 PuffTheMagic, Don't say that! Oct 05 15:59:04 PreMan: if u already clicked installed you are fucked, there isno going back Oct 05 15:59:07 i can get it Oct 05 15:59:12 yokken: get it Oct 05 15:59:19 i didn't click install though Oct 05 15:59:23 yokken: then i want you to just run "rescan luna" Oct 05 15:59:24 it just is going to force it upon charge Oct 05 15:59:31 ... Oct 05 15:59:38 as in "pkill LunaSysMgr" ? Oct 05 15:59:41 i can do that via terminal Oct 05 15:59:42 no Oct 05 15:59:44 that's restart Oct 05 15:59:46 ah Oct 05 15:59:47 I just want a rescan Oct 05 15:59:51 k Oct 05 15:59:53 its'a long command line Oct 05 15:59:58 it's easier to just press the button Oct 05 15:59:58 ;) Oct 05 16:00:05 i mean all those things ARE in the launcher Oct 05 16:00:12 i just can't remove the patch to reapply it Oct 05 16:00:13 exactly Oct 05 16:00:19 that's fine Oct 05 16:00:20 k, i rescanned Oct 05 16:00:23 easy to remove Oct 05 16:00:24 so what are the chances that my tweaks are going to brick me from 1.2 to 1.2.1? Oct 05 16:00:44 yokken: ipkg -o /var list_installed | grep patches Oct 05 16:00:49 i got dis Oct 05 16:01:02 tell me what packages are there that you can't uninstall Oct 05 16:01:10 :D this is exactly what i was looking for Oct 05 16:01:13 dbSooner-work, you speak to me? Oct 05 16:01:20 every single one of them Oct 05 16:01:28 ok Oct 05 16:01:51 then i want you to: ipkg -o /var remove org.webosinternals.patches. Oct 05 16:02:02 where is the patch Oct 05 16:02:02 k. Oct 05 16:02:15 it will still give you something about not running prerm in offline root mode Oct 05 16:02:16 thats ok Oct 05 16:02:29 yeah it did Oct 05 16:02:35 thats fine Oct 05 16:02:39 jsut do that for all of the patches Oct 05 16:02:39 but that's all it said Oct 05 16:02:42 ... Oct 05 16:02:46 why can't preware do this. lol Oct 05 16:02:46 that's fine Oct 05 16:02:52 yokken: just do it Oct 05 16:02:55 preware has failed me! Oct 05 16:02:59 it would be the service, not prewsare Oct 05 16:03:02 preware* Oct 05 16:03:02 preware has also failed me Oct 05 16:03:08 it's not preware Oct 05 16:03:11 it's the service Oct 05 16:03:18 service handles all the ipkg stuff Oct 05 16:03:21 preware is just the ui Oct 05 16:03:26 no Preware wouldn't have opacity fast enough so i did it myself! Oct 05 16:03:35 and now i can't plug my phoone into puter or it will update! Oct 05 16:03:43 and i can't remove launcher opacity tweak! Oct 05 16:03:48 yokken: when you are done with those ipkg -o /var removes's, I want you to go back into preware and run EPR Oct 05 16:03:50 just to be sure Oct 05 16:04:01 EPR isn't in there Oct 05 16:04:04 i looked yesterday Oct 05 16:04:19 it will probably give you an Error (4) and the IPKG log will be about "no patches installed" Oct 05 16:04:20 what are the brick odds if i can't undo tweaks from 1.2 to 1.2.1? Oct 05 16:04:22 yes it is Oct 05 16:04:30 Preware->patches->recovery Oct 05 16:04:43 ...k Oct 05 16:04:44 PreMan: you can't brick your phone Oct 05 16:04:47 i looked yesterday but i'll look again Oct 05 16:04:54 PreMan: webosdoc fixes everything, period. Oct 05 16:04:59 i don't mean brick, i mean what are teh odds that i'll have to use the doctor? Oct 05 16:05:03 when it comes to patches, homebrew etc. Oct 05 16:05:14 PreMan: what's your issue? Oct 05 16:05:16 wait, epr is under patch now? Oct 05 16:05:22 it USED to be under apps Oct 05 16:05:23 yokken: it always has been Oct 05 16:05:25 no Oct 05 16:05:32 yes it wasss Oct 05 16:05:36 no it wasn';t. Oct 05 16:05:39 * dBsooner-work knows. Oct 05 16:05:42 i could swear it was Oct 05 16:05:46 i got the message that 1.2.1 will install on next charge, i need to undo my opacity launcher mod that i did manually thrut he terminal.... so how i gonna undo that tweak before i update to 1.2.1? Oct 05 16:05:54 no, its in our autopatch repo on gitorious Oct 05 16:05:55 k i just OK'd the script to run Oct 05 16:05:58 it's always been a patch Oct 05 16:06:11 okay, it says remove... do i remove it? Oct 05 16:06:23 PreMan: I don't think 1.2.1 is going to touch the opacity Oct 05 16:06:28 you should be safe PreMan. Oct 05 16:06:34 yokken: no Oct 05 16:06:38 yokken: it self removes Oct 05 16:06:44 ...it didn't Oct 05 16:06:45 go all the way back to the main menu Oct 05 16:06:47 it's in my patches Oct 05 16:06:47 yes it will Oct 05 16:06:53 close preware Oct 05 16:06:56 re-open Oct 05 16:06:56 k Oct 05 16:07:07 dBsooner-work, has GUARANTEED my safety!!! Hoo-Rah!!! *Boomer Sooner plays as I march off the field to tennis for the sooner has saved yet another* Oct 05 16:07:24 i love when my phone is super responsive and fast Oct 05 16:07:33 it reminds me of the good ol days when all phones were simple and fast Oct 05 16:07:34 PreMan: even if it does touch that file, it will just overwrite your oppacity patch Oct 05 16:07:38 with like a 60mhz processor Oct 05 16:07:44 its 500 Oct 05 16:07:50 500Mhz Oct 05 16:07:58 i know, OMAP3 Oct 05 16:07:59 s/Mhz/MHz Oct 05 16:08:00 s/Mhz/MHz. Oct 05 16:08:02 forget it Oct 05 16:08:04 but i'm talking about old processors Oct 05 16:08:08 yeah Oct 05 16:08:19 well my patches are gone :) Oct 05 16:08:20 I had an 8086dx2 with 8KB of ram Oct 05 16:08:24 you saved me from the doctor!!! Oct 05 16:08:29 :D Oct 05 16:08:30 i <3 you so much, dBsooner Oct 05 16:08:36 easy there turbo Oct 05 16:08:40 no worries Oct 05 16:08:53 Run your update and get back to patching Oct 05 16:08:54 ;) Oct 05 16:08:55 i had sex six times this weekend in a 48-hour period with my girlfriend Oct 05 16:09:02 you have nothing to worry about Oct 05 16:09:08 let me see your girlfriend nakie and we'll call it even Oct 05 16:09:09 LOL Oct 05 16:09:14 j/k.. my wife would shoot me Oct 05 16:09:15 or us Oct 05 16:09:16 ;) can't do that, legally Oct 05 16:09:25 oph yeah.. definitely don't do it then Oct 05 16:09:32 lol Oct 05 16:09:32 * dBsooner-work don't want to go to jail. Oct 05 16:09:36 oh ur gf is not 18 yrs old? Oct 05 16:09:37 omg Oct 05 16:09:37 * yokken neither Oct 05 16:09:40 omg Oct 05 16:09:42 thats just animal Oct 05 16:09:44 omg Oct 05 16:09:47 antytway.. I gotta go to work Oct 05 16:09:54 7 months to go Oct 05 16:10:04 thanks so much dBsooner :) Oct 05 16:10:05 ur still a kid Oct 05 16:10:08 i feel old Oct 05 16:10:09 :( Oct 05 16:10:40 freshman in college, woo Oct 05 16:10:42 oil, Rick_work, rick_home, Rick_away, egaudet, rwhitby: please PM me when you get this ping. THanks guys. Oct 05 16:10:46 yokken: welcome Oct 05 16:11:15 wait, were LED notifications not enabled by palm with 1.2.1? Oct 05 16:11:27 do i still need to apply the patch? Oct 05 16:11:34 no, you'll have to apply that patch again Oct 05 16:11:41 it will be ok Oct 05 16:11:42 FFFFFFFFFFFF Oct 05 16:11:43 trust me Oct 05 16:11:45 I havce been through it Oct 05 16:11:46 just upgrade Oct 05 16:11:48 sheesh Oct 05 16:12:20 what the hell, sprint Oct 05 16:12:25 call me to ask me about my new phone? Oct 05 16:12:28 NONE OF YOUR BEESWAX Oct 05 16:13:00 hehe nobody called me yet Oct 05 16:13:22 when did you get your pre? Oct 05 16:14:08 ......my enable LED notifications patch is running forever. Oct 05 16:14:19 dBsooner-work: come baaaaack! :( Oct 05 16:14:45 oh. it says it's up to date. what the fack Oct 05 16:17:12 yokken: in the day they came out Oct 05 16:17:16 06/06/2009 Oct 05 16:17:17 :> Oct 05 16:18:09 my preware is so borked. Oct 05 16:18:44 it won't update feeds... lol Oct 05 16:18:50 okay never mind. Oct 05 16:20:41 * hemna looks forward to the release of flash 10 for the Pre :) Oct 05 16:21:11 en0x, I hope your launch day was better than mine :-p, woke up early to go to local sprint store (franchisee, not corporate), refused to sell a phone to an upgrade customer even though they had 20 left... so I had to drive 45 minutes to the corp store, got last phone in the place... Oct 05 16:21:45 i'd be pissed Oct 05 16:22:26 Hey, uh, rick, you there? Oct 05 16:22:44 i love LED notifications Oct 05 16:22:44 :( Oct 05 16:22:50 good news -- success! I looked over the idea you gave me, tweaked it a bit, and I think we got things worked out Oct 05 16:23:05 the blackberry is going back to the store, and we ish getting a Pre! Oct 05 16:23:06 :D Oct 05 16:23:21 * Yadda does the party dance Oct 05 16:23:40 mdklein: i was a new costumer... and I waited around 20 miniutues before they opened a store and had no problems with getting one Oct 05 16:24:09 yokken: led notification is the shiznit Oct 05 16:24:10 ;] Oct 05 16:24:26 it won't work Oct 05 16:24:34 the patch won't install despite it not being installed Oct 05 16:24:34 it works on mine Oct 05 16:24:35 ;] Oct 05 16:24:43 yeah, i'm happy for you Oct 05 16:24:47 now i have to do it myself Oct 05 16:24:47 grr, opensource.palm.com is _still_ missing 1.2.0 (and 1.2.1) Oct 05 16:25:08 the cool thing about the pre is, my mom is totally cell-phone and technology illiterate, and they managed to make soemthing that I think she'll be able to figure out. Oct 05 16:26:40 my 25yrs old friends can't use it Oct 05 16:26:45 too complicated for them Oct 05 16:26:47 the gestures Oct 05 16:27:48 THE LED NOTIFICATIONS ARE ENABLED. BUT PATCH ISN'T INSTALLED. Oct 05 16:27:51 FFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU Oct 05 16:28:06 hehe' Oct 05 16:28:20 hmm Oct 05 16:28:24 lunch time! Oct 05 16:28:26 bbl Oct 05 16:28:28 aiight Oct 05 16:28:30 i got choir in 10 mins Oct 05 16:32:07 yokken: is your real name yokken, btw? I knew a guy named Yokken ~10 years ago. Oct 05 16:32:13 no way Oct 05 16:32:25 i made this nick up like... 5 years ago Oct 05 16:32:29 oh, haha Oct 05 16:32:43 it was ¥0KK£N Oct 05 16:32:47 I think it's a Japanese name, but I don't know if it's spelled that way. Oct 05 16:32:53 then it was Y0KK3N, then y0kk3n, now yokken Oct 05 16:33:03 i've seen it in google when searching for my nick Oct 05 16:33:26 dBsooner-work, ping Oct 05 16:34:31 i love tech n9ne so muchc Oct 05 16:39:39 pong egaudet Oct 05 16:40:24 egaudet: re-syn|ack Oct 05 16:42:22 yea Oct 05 16:42:36 you rang? Oct 05 16:42:48 With regards to screenshots Oct 05 16:42:52 update but don't bump the versions Oct 05 16:43:21 finally! Oct 05 16:43:32 will it refresh the bvuild? Oct 05 16:43:52 refresh the metadata info in the xml/tgz/ipkg? Oct 05 16:44:18 We can get Rod to remove the ipk's from the autobuilder to kick off a rebuild. We do not want to add this functionality to the build repo because it would then kick off rebuildss every time Oct 05 16:44:47 why can't we have it keep a .lastused statefile? Oct 05 16:44:49 and diff the Makefile Oct 05 16:44:58 if the Makefile has changes, rebuild. if not, skip. Oct 05 16:45:00 once Rod gets rid of the ipk's they will rebuild, when they don't exist make will build them when it gets to that target Oct 05 16:45:13 if they exist it doesn't build because there's "nothing to be done", it exists Oct 05 16:45:22 egaudet: I understand that. I am just saying keep track of Makefile changes. Oct 05 16:45:34 what do you mean? Oct 05 16:45:40 because theoretically, that is the only time you would want to update and not bump version Oct 05 16:45:46 there is no build script, it's a simple GNU make Oct 05 16:45:58 I know Oct 05 16:46:09 sigh Oct 05 16:46:13 Follow me: Oct 05 16:46:25 metadata changing in the same release is a specific rare case Oct 05 16:46:31 right Oct 05 16:46:33 * egaudet listening Oct 05 16:46:36 I am just saying: Oct 05 16:46:45 in the build script: Oct 05 16:46:51 what build script? Oct 05 16:47:05 umm.. yeah Oct 05 16:47:10 whatever calls gnu make Oct 05 16:47:33 what calls it? Oct 05 16:47:50 I don't know but yea probably a script in a forever loop Oct 05 16:48:00 running every 15 minutes doing git pull then make Oct 05 16:48:03 package: does in the Makefile of build.git Oct 05 16:48:11 auto rebuilding based on Makefile change is wrong IMO though Oct 05 16:48:17 ok Oct 05 16:48:21 follow: Oct 05 16:48:39 because it would prohibit us from pushing Makefile changes without rebuilding Oct 05 16:48:50 hang on Oct 05 16:48:51 just listen Oct 05 16:49:08 84 for f in `find autopatch -mindepth 1 -maxdepth 1 -type d -print` ; do \ 85 if [ -e $$f/Makefile ]; then \ 86 ${MAKE} -C $$f package || exit ; \ 87 fi; \ 88 done Oct 05 16:49:21 thats where the make is done Oct 05 16:49:50 have it copy the Makefile it just made to Makefile.last Oct 05 16:50:03 here.. let me write this Oct 05 16:50:05 i'll show you Oct 05 16:50:34 it doesn't make any Makefile Oct 05 16:50:41 grrr Oct 05 16:50:41 "just made" doesn't make sense Oct 05 16:50:42 hush Oct 05 16:50:47 no Oct 05 16:50:50 hehee Oct 05 16:50:52 you can't do it from within the build repo Oct 05 16:51:00 i'll show you something Oct 05 16:51:27 unless you PUSH Makefile.last, or use git commands but you don't know how many commits on a Makefile was pushed etc.. Oct 05 16:53:34 and you only want it to rebuild the first time Oct 05 16:54:20 mornin internets Oct 05 16:54:34 morning Oct 05 16:54:38 afternoon Oct 05 16:54:51 =) Oct 05 16:58:13 dBsooner-work, any further ideas with that? Oct 05 17:03:22 here: egaudet Oct 05 17:03:35 for f in `find autopatch -mindepth 1 -maxdepth 1 -type d -print` ; do if [ -e $$f/Makefile ]; then if [ -e $$f/Makefile.made ]; then /* don't know how to write this in GNU Make, but it can be done */ if (Makefile.made != Makefile); then /* EXAMPLE */ ${MAKE} -C $$f package || exit ; cp $$f/Makefile $$f/Makefile.made; fi; else; ${MAKE} -C $$f package || exit; cp $$f/Makefile $$f/Makefi Oct 05 17:03:37 sigh Oct 05 17:03:39 didn't paste right Oct 05 17:03:42 let me get pastebin Oct 05 17:06:09 i get what you are saying Oct 05 17:08:53 do a diff on Makefile and Makefile.last, make clobber if they are different, copy Makefile to Makefile.last Oct 05 17:09:08 yea I'll do this tonight if I can't think of any other reasons not to Oct 05 17:09:33 yes egaudet Oct 05 17:09:41 and if you REALLY want to Oct 05 17:09:53 you can add a flag to the makefile to NOTBUILD Oct 05 17:10:03 if you want to commit a Makefile changef but not have it rebuild it Oct 05 17:10:21 and when you do the diff, if its diff, have it look for that flag Oct 05 17:10:35 in the makefile itself. If it's set, don't clobber-build Oct 05 17:11:15 I don't like the Makefile.last way but I'll think about a flag that can be set in the makefile to initiate a one-time clobber Oct 05 17:11:30 Why don't you like it? Oct 05 17:11:44 Because 1) it was my idea and 2) it creates an extra file in the git repo? Oct 05 17:13:55 lol 1 is ridiculous and 2 doesn't matter it's not commiting Oct 05 17:14:03 lol Oct 05 17:14:09 it's just really hackish and not easily controlled Oct 05 17:15:08 true Oct 05 17:15:15 other option would be a flag in the makefile Oct 05 17:15:17 which is much easier Oct 05 17:15:39 but it would have to know when it did the make Oct 05 17:15:51 and not do it again afterwards, becausae it wouldn't be unsetting the flag in teh git repo Oct 05 17:16:14 that's why I thought of the copy makefile and diff it Oct 05 17:16:26 because the make isnt' have to git push etc Oct 05 17:17:04 I got the solution Oct 05 17:17:07 FWIW, here is my pastebin of my "modified" build.git/Makefile , finally!: http://webosinternals.pastebin.com/m72b50dbd Oct 05 17:17:08 META_VERSION = 1 Oct 05 17:17:15 ahh Oct 05 17:17:17 and incriment it Oct 05 17:17:17 build/.meta.${META_VERSION}: Oct 05 17:17:28 rm -rf ipkgs/${PACKAGE} Oct 05 17:17:31 if it increments, build clobbers Oct 05 17:17:44 rm -f ipkgs/${PACKAGE} Oct 05 17:17:50 you make it happen Oct 05 17:17:55 I gotta go install the telephone jack Oct 05 17:17:59 bump META_VERSION for meta changes only Oct 05 17:18:03 i just wanted to give you my idea Oct 05 17:18:14 I'll talk to Rod about any issues with that Oct 05 17:18:17 rwhitby, ^^^ Oct 05 17:18:22 lol Oct 05 17:18:26 its 6am there Oct 05 17:18:36 that's ok, when he wakes up he'll see it Oct 05 17:18:48 so it would be a blank file .meta.# Oct 05 17:18:52 in the dir? Oct 05 17:19:07 where # is the meta version # Oct 05 17:19:26 or would it just be a flag in the MAkefile Oct 05 17:19:28 much easier that way Oct 05 17:19:35 META_VERSION = # Oct 05 17:19:42 have make check flags Oct 05 17:19:52 anyway, back to work. Oct 05 17:19:54 ill be back in a few Oct 05 17:22:18 what do you mean "check flags" Oct 05 17:22:43 gnu make can check the flags in the makefile Oct 05 17:22:44 make uses targets, the empty build/.meta.# would tell that target "nothing to be done" for it and not rebuild it Oct 05 17:22:55 ok Oct 05 17:23:01 you're right Oct 05 17:23:01 nm Oct 05 17:23:04 back to work I go Oct 05 17:23:15 enjoy :P Oct 05 17:48:09 egaudet: sup Oct 05 17:54:04 sup Oct 05 17:54:20 Before someone yells at me: I checked the webos-internals.org wiki, preware forums, and a google search and didn't see the answer. Oct 05 17:54:27 PuffTheMagic, we need dependencies run postinst support in service right? Oct 05 17:55:18 I just installed PreWare (it rocks) -- and used it to install the terminal app ... and my terminal app comes up blank (can't see a thing). I'm not sure what else to do other than give up (PreWare says that I have the plugin and the app both installed) ... Oct 05 17:55:38 I did reboot, too Oct 05 17:57:02 egaudet: yeah Oct 05 17:57:04 I'm having problems with uninstalling (or installing for that matter) the Virtual Keyboard. When trying to remove it it give an error "Error Removing[4]" Looking at the IPKG log it states "Error: no md5sums.patched file" Any help? Oct 05 17:59:36 egaudet: i was thinking.... Oct 05 17:59:49 egaudet: since i rebuild libipkg Oct 05 17:59:57 egaudet: and im linking to it a static .a Oct 05 18:00:11 egaudet: we could probably add the timeout support right into libipkg Oct 05 18:00:37 that would be ideal I'd say Oct 05 18:00:52 is there any option to wget for timeout? Oct 05 18:01:00 sure is i beleive Oct 05 18:01:14 and we could even use curl instead of wget :D Oct 05 18:01:25 but it hink wget does it Oct 05 18:01:32 So could add that option to the wget in libipkg Oct 05 18:01:41 egaudet: --timeout Oct 05 18:01:46 :D Oct 05 18:02:02 perfect :) Oct 05 18:02:07 haha Oct 05 18:03:31 Any idea on how to remove a corrupt virtual keyboard? Oct 05 18:03:57 webosDR! Oct 05 18:04:12 omg Oct 05 18:04:14 mean Oct 05 18:04:46 without a full reset Oct 05 18:05:03 i forget now Oct 05 18:05:18 there is this... Oct 05 18:05:19 http://forums.precentral.net/general-webos-chat/198051-screen-keyboard-bugs-functionality-enhancements-68.html#post1910190 Oct 05 18:05:20 replace some files, and something Oct 05 18:05:40 haha, webos on bugtraq Oct 05 18:05:41 thats exactly right Oct 05 18:05:51 but it states that it can not be listed as installed, but it is Oct 05 18:06:08 and I can't get it unlisted as installed Oct 05 18:06:51 TR_: get the clean_kb_files.zip , AND replace the global.css and palmInitFramework191_15.js files.. but don't just run the script. won't fix it.. do both running the script AND replacing those two files Oct 05 18:07:28 allright, I fixed my terminal myself Oct 05 18:07:41 thanks Oct 05 18:07:44 you rock Oct 05 18:07:49 lnx6penguins Oct 05 18:10:41 what is the accepted way to file a bug in the PreWare app? Oct 05 18:10:58 INTERNETS Oct 05 18:11:06 also, idk Oct 05 18:11:29 how do i get more icons on my bar along the bottom? Oct 05 18:11:35 i see people doing it and i want to be that cool Oct 05 18:11:40 I'm browsing the webos-internals.org interweb now looking for "how to file a bug" Oct 05 18:11:50 is there a patch? Oct 05 18:14:14 ... or maybe my "bug" is listed in the "limitations" section of the Preware app page Oct 05 18:14:17 * nt4cats hangs his head in shame Oct 05 18:25:40 what bug? Oct 05 18:25:59 Mousey that is old 1.1.0 outdated stuff (clean_kb_files) Oct 05 18:26:09 TR_, can you get terminal access? Oct 05 18:26:10 nt4cats what's the bug? Oct 05 18:26:14 nm he's gone Oct 05 18:26:16 oh Oct 05 18:26:20 I FAIL Oct 05 18:26:38 rick_away: I used PreWare to install the terminal app Oct 05 18:26:51 nodnod and.... Oct 05 18:26:56 rick_away: it installed the plugin (dependency) too -- but nothing worked Oct 05 18:27:02 right Oct 05 18:27:05 you have to reboot Oct 05 18:27:08 I did reboot Oct 05 18:27:11 it still didn't work Oct 05 18:27:31 it only worked after I removed both and then installed the plugin first and then installed the terminal Oct 05 18:27:48 I assumed the "Preware does not individually sequence dependencies during installation" limitation is what got me Oct 05 18:27:52 ahh that's a known behavior Oct 05 18:28:23 Another related/interesting note is that the 1st time it didn't prompt me with the "plugin is going to run a script!" warning Oct 05 18:29:53 yea dependencies don't run postinst right now, so plugin has to be installed first Oct 05 18:29:55 manually Oct 05 18:29:57 ... so I managed to get it working by myself *and* realized that I don't need to file a PreWare bug because the issue appears to be documented in the "limitations" section on the wiki Oct 05 18:31:40 ... so that means, so far today, I've been nothing but a waste of screen real-estate in this irc channel Oct 05 18:32:14 (whining about problems I was able to solve myself and were known issues) Oct 05 18:32:35 nt4cats: me too!! i supply outdated solutions! Oct 05 18:32:40 ;_; Oct 05 18:34:39 PuffTheMagic, ping Oct 05 18:35:36 +PuffTheMagic, ping Oct 05 18:38:23 Well anyway i'll just throw this out there puff.... if your battery is under 30% when you plug your phone in if you check updates it says "your battery must be at least 30% full before you install the update"... so there is the workaround for having time to plug your phone into computer to uninstall patches that must be done that way Oct 05 18:39:02 funny thing is, i'm too lazy to undo squarify and opacity, so hopefully 1.2.1 won't hurt me Oct 05 18:40:20 huh? Oct 05 18:40:24 PreMan: wow, that's pretty lazy. It's two checkboxes, man! Oct 05 18:40:54 no i was too impatient to wait for quickinstall Oct 05 18:40:59 so i did opacity manually Oct 05 18:41:05 squarify yes would only be a click Oct 05 18:41:14 egaudet, do you know if i have to undo squarify or opacity for 1.2.1? Oct 05 18:41:34 i don't know, if you update and it's changed it will overwrite Oct 05 18:41:41 PreMan: JUST UPDATE Oct 05 18:41:52 worst its going to do is overwrite your patches Oct 05 18:41:53 ok so it just pushes the new files, and overwrites entire files Oct 05 18:42:02 i todl you that 2 hours ago Oct 05 18:42:02 uninstall anything from QI Oct 05 18:42:06 first Oct 05 18:42:20 I forgot, i have to just update Oct 05 18:42:27 dBsooner already has guaranteed me success Oct 05 18:42:30 if you did it manually i wouldn't worry Oct 05 18:42:34 egaudet: I know where WOSQI stores his state files Oct 05 18:42:40 to know what's installed and whats's not Oct 05 18:42:46 i don't know what squarify does though Oct 05 18:42:52 dBsooner-work, v2.7 statefiles? Oct 05 18:42:53 dBsooner do you know how squarify works? Oct 05 18:43:06 so tecfhnically we could IPK remove the patch installed by qi then dump the statefiel Oct 05 18:43:09 uncheck the squarify before updating Oct 05 18:43:14 yeah, just uncheck it Oct 05 18:43:16 makes it easiest Oct 05 18:43:24 egaudet: should be same place as 2.6 Oct 05 18:43:28 i don't think he changed that Oct 05 18:43:31 dBsooner-work, no Oct 05 18:43:35 few.... was 1% away from not unckecking it Oct 05 18:43:39 QI is SUPPOSED to now be using the whole autopatch underbelly Oct 05 18:43:44 yeah I know Oct 05 18:44:07 but I am pretty sure he puts a statefile in /var/lib/quick-install/ or soemthign like that Oct 05 18:44:16 so it should have ipkg data and /var/usr/lib/.webosinternals.patches data Oct 05 18:44:17 as a tag for that patch being instlled from autopatch repo Oct 05 18:44:32 you sure he's referring to that? Oct 05 18:44:44 would be smartest Oct 05 18:44:53 so it would know what patches had been installed by preware Oct 05 18:44:56 it's the only way to be compatiblewith EPR so i hope so Oct 05 18:45:07 dBsooner-work, do you know how squarify works? there is no .patch file for it in quickinstall like all the other tweaks? Oct 05 18:45:08 i asked him to use the generic postinst/prerm scripts, but it's closed source so i got no clue Oct 05 18:45:27 they are patches, and I don't know. Oct 05 18:45:41 nah, jar files are only closed source until you reverse engineer them, which java seems especailly susceptible to Oct 05 18:45:54 PreMan: we respect all developers wishes. Oct 05 18:46:02 yeah i was just joking Oct 05 18:46:14 but not about the susceptibility part Oct 05 18:46:21 about the rev engineering quick install part Oct 05 18:46:35 but I am still wondering how squarify works, because it doesnt seem to be a simple diff file to be run with patch Oct 05 18:46:37 * nt4cats wishes for everyone on this channel to wire transfer $1000.00 to me Oct 05 18:46:49 wire transfer costs too much man Oct 05 18:47:19 dBsooner-work, might you know how its done? like why its not a .patch file? Oct 05 18:47:20 PreM: dbsooner says he respects all wishes, so I thought I'd just throw a wish out there and see what happens Oct 05 18:47:23 I don't have problems reverse engineering Oct 05 18:47:32 but I'm just not that interested Oct 05 18:48:06 you can't request for me not to know what is running on MY computer Oct 05 18:48:10 anyone have any idea how squarify works? Oct 05 18:48:18 egaudet? might you know? Oct 05 18:48:22 no Oct 05 18:48:29 probably a css change Oct 05 18:48:42 some webkit border rounding or something Oct 05 18:48:43 i dunno Oct 05 18:48:48 thats what opacity is, so thats what i thought, but i couldnt find a .patch file in the jar and thats the easiest way to change css Oct 05 18:50:09 okay, undid squarify per your advice Oct 05 18:50:26 but i'm not gonna undo my manual change since it will just overwrite if anything Oct 05 18:52:11 egaudet, i have a good quick question for you Oct 05 18:52:33 might you still be available? Oct 05 18:54:02 don't ask to ask Oct 05 18:54:07 lol Oct 05 18:54:08 just ask :P Oct 05 18:55:22 well i was looking at the ol' iphone that my friend has, and i noticed that the scrolling is just so much more fluid... it seems maybe it has something to do with the way pre redraws or how fast its graphics processing is, do you have any idea what it truly is? Oct 05 18:55:57 egaudet: I may have a question tomorrow. Can I check with you tomorrow morning to see if it is okay with you if I ask a question tomorrow afternoon? Oct 05 18:57:17 PreMan, don't know, there are many factors that could contribute. Others might be able to give more based on their findings Oct 05 18:57:34 nt4cats, might you put in your word from your findings? Oct 05 18:57:38 PreMan: from what I have read ... hardware-wise the Pre is comparable or better than most/all of the iPhones out there. The iPhones were laggy in their early days, too. Remember that you're comparing a platform that has been out for < 6 months with a platform that has been out (and tuned) over years Oct 05 18:58:11 * egaudet goes to lunch Oct 05 18:58:44 okay, so my next question was about that.... if its something pertaining to the software then, they should be able to release a patch that will make it more smooth? as opposed to launching palmpre v2 or something and make me buy another phone for the smoothness Oct 05 18:58:56 i guess we'll see what palm does Oct 05 18:59:34 i think its code optimization Oct 05 18:59:44 and finally take the gpu to process some info Oct 05 18:59:56 but its nice to know that iphones were laggy in their early days, i really hadn't seen an iphone until recent months and got to play around with teh scrolling Oct 05 19:00:31 en0x, is the pre's gpu comparable to iphones? Oct 05 19:00:48 i know the main processor is, but i'm not sure what goes on at the hardware level in phones Oct 05 19:01:22 Off the top of my head, I recall the 3gs gpu being a bit better, but not the 3g Oct 05 19:01:34 but not a bunch better right? Oct 05 19:01:35 just a tad? Oct 05 19:01:38 slightly different Oct 05 19:02:01 http://www.examiner.com/x-12787-Miami -Gadgets-Examiner~y2009m6d23-Iphone-3G-S-vs-Palm-Pre-Hardware-Showdown Oct 05 19:02:04 just a little bit maybe Oct 05 19:02:11 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerVR Oct 05 19:02:14 but anyway pre is powerful as it is Oct 05 19:02:22 just not taking advantage of the hardware yet Oct 05 19:02:32 k, thats what i needed to hear Oct 05 19:03:01 especialy the hardware accell for x264 Oct 05 19:03:02 ;) Oct 05 19:03:15 http://www.rapidrepair.com/guides/iphone-3g-s-repair/iphone-3g-s-comparison-chart.html Oct 05 19:03:28 that 2nd link gives you the bits and bytes of it Oct 05 19:03:39 the Pre has the SXG530, the 3gs has the SXG535+VXD Oct 05 19:04:36 omap is a pure power in pre Oct 05 19:04:37 ;) Oct 05 19:05:17 well i gotta run for now Oct 05 19:05:19 thx for the info all Oct 05 19:05:20 later Oct 05 19:05:37 according to the wiki, the 530 is rated 14 MPoly/s, 250 Mpx/s, and the 535 is 28 Mpolys/s Oct 05 19:43:06 One individual ran into a second floor apartment and dove head first through a closed window, breaking the glass and landing on the sidewalk below. He sustained a head injury and several cuts from the broken glass Oct 05 19:43:10 lol Oct 05 19:43:59 Did the Palm Pre survive the fall, that's the real issue Oct 05 19:44:24 probably he never had a palm pre Oct 05 19:48:34 anyway i love my pre Oct 05 19:48:35 ;] Oct 05 19:48:42 i wont switch it for anything else Oct 05 19:48:59 Had he a pre, he would have been guided by it's built-in GPS, laser sights and thermonuclear accellerator Oct 05 19:50:42 ok perhaps not those latter two. Oct 05 19:53:32 http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/hp-envy-13-review/ Oct 05 19:53:49 opps not here Oct 05 20:02:59 i have a crazy idea Oct 05 20:03:16 since maemo is binary compatible with webos, why don't we rape them for their flash support? ^_^ Oct 05 20:03:47 * Mousey has a way with words Oct 05 20:24:46 first paid app out Oct 05 20:24:53 wht is it? Oct 05 20:25:01 air hockey, $1.99 Oct 05 20:25:13 similar to the one on the iphone? Oct 05 20:25:29 wher eyou can play with 2 playets side by side/accelerometer style Oct 05 20:25:38 idk... Oct 05 20:25:50 supposedly it was featured in the pixi announcement Oct 05 20:26:49 dBsooner-work: looks like you can play with accelerometer but this seems to be only one player Oct 05 20:27:06 of course Oct 05 20:27:14 iPhone/Touch One ups us Oct 05 20:27:23 this definitely does not seem worth 1.99 Oct 05 20:27:47 dBsooner-work: i mean. the whole app looks like it only has one player. according to the description Oct 05 20:28:09 nice Oct 05 20:28:14 i guess if all the updates are free it might be ok Oct 05 20:28:16 not wort 1.99 Oct 05 20:28:46 and there is a free photoDialer, which looks kind of cool actually Oct 05 20:30:02 why couldnt the first paid app be something awesome. like twee Oct 05 21:00:44 my fileindexer seems to have gotten out of sync with my /media/internal restarting it didn't help ... Oct 05 21:00:52 it thinks there's images there that really aren't there Oct 05 21:01:04 actually just one... but its the one that vexes me Oct 05 21:01:10 any idea how to reset that? Oct 05 21:05:10 is there a firewall recommendation for karmic ? Oct 05 21:05:17 arno seems to be hosed Oct 05 21:08:07 sorry, wrong channel Oct 05 21:08:12 :) Oct 05 21:08:14 I wondered Oct 05 21:08:46 I did add some things to my Pre firewall though. I found dbus was open on the evdo network Oct 05 21:08:56 that didn't seem in any way desireable so I drop that Oct 05 21:24:15 does anyone know how squarify the screen actually works in QuickInstall? Oct 05 21:24:26 PreMan: email jason. ;) Oct 05 21:24:40 egaudet: ping Oct 05 21:24:50 I don't want to bother him, because if he doesnt come to the irc much then he obviously doesn't want me to bother him Oct 05 21:25:04 the whole point of logging onto this channel is to be probed with questions by PreMan Oct 05 21:25:23 egaudet: ping Oct 05 21:25:47 oes anybody on here have extensive knowledge of the Audio media extension? Oct 05 21:25:51 does* Oct 05 21:26:46 dBsooner-work: apparently its from the same people who made the iphone app. Oct 05 21:27:08 or more specifically what would cause this to show up in the logs http://pastie.org/642912 Oct 05 21:27:13 gkatsev: Ahh.. So maybe there is hope it will have 2 play capabilities in teh future. Oct 05 21:27:38 hi Oct 05 21:27:38 s/play/player/ Oct 05 21:27:39 dBsooner-work meant: gkatsev: Ahh.. So maybe there is hope it will have 2 player capabilities in teh future. Oct 05 21:27:42 dBsooner-work: yeah, especially if the app costs 1.99. perhaps its because you wont be able to change the price later on? Oct 05 21:28:03 * gkatsev -> out Oct 05 21:28:14 egaudet: I pushed screenshots to 5 more patches. I didn't increment build # in anticipation we will be able to build later. Oct 05 21:28:28 but now my lunch is over.. yeah 3:30pm lucn break today. nice huh? Oct 05 21:28:46 PreMan, Jason does most of his work/support on precentral not here Oct 05 21:28:49 lol i'm eating dinner now Oct 05 21:28:53 he contributes to precentral Oct 05 21:29:08 but egaudet knows all, so egaudet knows how squarify the screen works Oct 05 21:29:11 its gotta be something simple Oct 05 21:29:17 dBsooner-work, me too 3:30 lunch :P Oct 05 21:29:20 it doesn't even require a patch file according to the layout of QuickInstall Oct 05 21:29:35 PreMan, it probably is something simple and you could figure it out really easily Oct 05 21:29:39 btw, its 5:30 not 3:30, ur guys clocks are 2 hours off Oct 05 21:29:47 no, its 4309 Oct 05 21:29:49 430 Oct 05 21:29:49 git your pre /usr Oct 05 21:29:54 patch it Oct 05 21:29:55 git diff Oct 05 21:29:56 bam Oct 05 21:30:00 :D Oct 05 21:30:04 wow Oct 05 21:30:07 egaudet = genius Oct 05 21:30:09 yeah do that PreMan and give me the diff Oct 05 21:30:12 so I can make a patch Oct 05 21:30:13 noone has ever thought of that Oct 05 21:30:27 sure they have Oct 05 21:30:29 do I sense sarcasm? Oct 05 21:30:29 lol Oct 05 21:30:43 I rsync my entire / all the time Oct 05 21:30:48 sarcasm, but also gratitude, cuz i seriously wouldn't have done that Oct 05 21:30:48 to see diff's Oct 05 21:31:03 cuz i never think diff, but diff is always the answer! Oct 05 21:31:27 patches are the result of diffs so yea diff is the be all end all of patching :P Oct 05 21:31:38 yeah i found that out last week Oct 05 21:31:43 but first i gotta eat my pizza Oct 05 21:31:46 then i'll diff Oct 05 21:31:51 :) Oct 05 21:31:53 egaudet: would you mind takin a peek at the screenshots I added? Make sure those look ok.. it's hard to get the shot without getting personal info in the pic that I have to block/black out Oct 05 21:32:11 yea I'll check em out when I get home Oct 05 21:32:22 im going to sleep really early tonight Oct 05 21:32:31 anothe rpaid app. floodgates are open Oct 05 21:32:45 what is it?! Oct 05 21:32:48 and how much?! Oct 05 21:32:55 Who want to be a millionaire Oct 05 21:32:55 not sure on price Oct 05 21:33:06 can you really win a mil? Oct 05 21:33:09 i'd pay for that! Oct 05 21:33:17 4.99 Oct 05 21:33:20 do you have to input bank account info to get paid? Oct 05 21:33:23 I'm sure you can't Oct 05 21:33:24 egaudet: or you could go to: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/DBsooner Oct 05 21:34:31 egaudet: me too. All I ask though is we figure out the (re)build of same version # without clobber'ing Oct 05 21:34:35 all of them that is. Oct 05 21:34:49 i think that is a good enough requrest for tonight. :D Oct 05 21:35:01 if rwhitby makes it around before he sleeps that is Oct 05 21:35:08 dBsooner-work, it's already figured out Oct 05 21:35:22 aye.. what I should have said was: As long as we impement it Oct 05 21:35:24 just need to add it to the common.mk when I get home Oct 05 21:35:28 :P Oct 05 21:35:36 s/impement/implement/ Oct 05 21:35:37 dBsooner-work meant: aye.. what I should have said was: As long as we implement it Oct 05 21:36:02 then teach me what to do Oct 05 21:36:26 I would but I'm gonna head home now Oct 05 21:36:29 morning Oct 05 21:36:31 will you have the "rebuild" function delete the placeholder .file Oct 05 21:36:41 dBsooner-work, no Oct 05 21:36:50 dBsooner-work: noo.. I meant teach me how to use it after you put it in Oct 05 21:37:00 I will have the buld/.meta.# target remove the .ipk Oct 05 21:37:07 mornin rwhitby .. isn't it like 10pm there? Oct 05 21:37:13 8am Oct 05 21:37:20 then you simply have to bump META_VERSION and push to get it to rebuild with new metadata but same ipk version Oct 05 21:37:20 tomorrow Oct 05 21:37:26 morning Rod Oct 05 21:37:42 wait... someones already in Tuesday Oct 05 21:37:43 ? Oct 05 21:37:43 so 16 hours ahead Oct 05 21:37:44 gotcha Oct 05 21:38:09 It's always morning for hello in UGT Oct 05 21:38:21 so META_VERSION will be a variable in Makefile? Oct 05 21:38:45 so if I tell rwhitby i'll have something done by Monday... I've already failed miserably... great Oct 05 21:39:29 Well, they already have flying cars and jetpacks in future-land Australia, so we're bound to disappoint back in our time Oct 05 21:39:33 PreMan: look on the bright side - if the world ends tomorrow, I'll be able to give you a bit of warning. Oct 05 21:39:47 sounds good Oct 05 21:40:04 I gotta ask Jason to rename "online repository" to "Autopatch" Oct 05 21:40:13 egaudet: AutoPatch ? Oct 05 21:40:20 err yea AutoPatch :P Oct 05 21:40:26 AutoPatch Oct 05 21:40:29 (tm) Oct 05 21:40:34 lol Oct 05 21:40:41 (R) Oct 05 21:40:43 (c) Oct 05 21:40:44 dBsooner-work, yea META_VERSION will be variable in Makefile along with VERSION Oct 05 21:40:51 aye! Oct 05 21:41:05 guys.. PLEASE.. heed my warning.. Oct 05 21:41:22 So is this Derrek Kessler fellow ever in here? Oct 05 21:41:25 Autowash! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHfpMUDrQCs Oct 05 21:41:27 DO NOT get a flu shot on a morning you only got 3 hours of sleep. Oct 05 21:41:44 egaudet: META_VERSION is then used in a flag file that make then uses to determine if the ipkg is up to date? Oct 05 21:42:19 rwhitby, it will be used in a new target build/.meta.${META_VERSION} that will remove the ipkg Oct 05 21:42:26 I was tired as pooh to begin with and now I am dead. Beyond that, I am starting to get the "after flu shot" aches. You know.. the usual "my body is bvuilding up white cells to be able to kill this virus strain if it comesa around" feeling Oct 05 21:42:49 so if the META_VERSION gets bumped the ipk gets removed and thus rebuilt so we can add screenshots and what not without having people needing to update a patch Oct 05 21:43:07 rwhitby: Don't let him fool you.. I STARTED this idea. He didn't like how I was going to do it. Oct 05 21:43:16 egaudet: why do you need a new target? Just have the existing targets rebuild if build/.meta-${META_VERSION} does not exist ... Oct 05 21:44:07 aye.. good point rwhitby Oct 05 21:44:13 rwhitby, how? Oct 05 21:44:17 make will touch .meta-version Oct 05 21:44:20 without using ifs Oct 05 21:44:28 aye Oct 05 21:44:42 * dBsooner-work is decent with Makefiles.. but it's been a while. Oct 05 21:44:48 I just thought the new target would be best because it is more in tune with the make process Oct 05 21:44:58 but in the end I can do it however Oct 05 21:45:01 hehe Oct 05 21:45:13 its funny see people complaining about free space to install apps Oct 05 21:45:15 egaudet: make it a file that one of the key targets has as a dependency Oct 05 21:45:22 yap u can resize /var on the fly Oct 05 21:45:23 j/k Oct 05 21:45:30 with the new update right Oct 05 21:45:45 egaudet: a new target can't be run manually by an autobuilder Oct 05 21:45:46 en0x: yeah.. that's it. Oct 05 21:45:53 egaudet: it has to be in the normal flow Oct 05 21:46:14 hmm Oct 05 21:46:17 gotta go to class Oct 05 21:46:22 fckng psychology Oct 05 21:46:27 put it in the main build function to check for .meta-${META_VERSION} Oct 05 21:46:30 en0x: I set my /var to 2GB using meta-doctor Oct 05 21:46:38 rwhitby: ;) Oct 05 21:46:42 i had no need to Oct 05 21:46:44 if its not there, remake and touch .meta-${META_VERSION} Oct 05 21:46:49 * en0x still has 150mb free Oct 05 21:46:50 ;] Oct 05 21:47:02 dBsooner-work: you can't put it in the commands, it needs to be in the dependencies Oct 05 21:47:11 oh.. well that stinks Oct 05 21:47:16 * dBsooner-work hates depends Oct 05 21:47:26 dBsooner-work: otherwise it will never be triggered first time around if everything is already built Oct 05 21:47:27 I am more of a tampon guy. Oct 05 21:47:38 Aye! Oct 05 21:47:48 but what if we clobber'd everything first? Oct 05 21:47:50 lol Oct 05 21:47:58 do u put tampons in your ears? :> Oct 05 21:47:59 start fresh Oct 05 21:48:04 nose bleeds. Oct 05 21:48:08 i c Oct 05 21:48:10 ~botsnack Oct 05 21:48:11 PreMan: thanks Oct 05 21:48:14 rwhitby, right Oct 05 21:48:16 ~botsnack TAMPONS! Oct 05 21:48:16 PreMan: aw, gee Oct 05 21:48:31 build/.meta-${META_VERSION} would be a target built early by say package: Oct 05 21:48:53 and it would simply rm the ipk and then touch itself Oct 05 21:48:55 3rd paid apps Oct 05 21:48:59 block drop for 3 bucks Oct 05 21:49:00 o_X Oct 05 21:49:08 s/itself/the file Oct 05 21:49:19 egaudet, will you please rename the bot to TamponBot for a lil while/ Oct 05 21:49:26 hahahahaa Oct 05 21:49:36 package likes to touch itself! Oct 05 21:49:40 that's how I read that Oct 05 21:49:41 :D Oct 05 21:49:48 egaudet: build/.meta-${META_VERSION} needs to do nothing more than touch the file, and then just needs to be a dependency of the first target that rm -rf's the build dir. Oct 05 21:50:08 which is in package Oct 05 21:51:02 change nick infobot --> tamponbot Oct 05 21:51:13 man this irc channels commands are broken Oct 05 21:51:14 UPDATE 17:30 EST: Who Wants To Be A Millionaire from Capcom Interactive, $4.99. Oct 05 21:51:16 ~botsnack Oct 05 21:51:16 PreMan: thanks Oct 05 21:51:17 o.O what Oct 05 21:52:08 WHAT Oct 05 21:52:09 4.99? Oct 05 21:52:15 dBsooner-work: no, it needs to be a dependency of build/.built Oct 05 21:52:17 rwhitby, there is no target that rm -rf's the build dir Oct 05 21:52:19 Capcom likes to abuse that price Oct 05 21:52:37 WebOS isn't worth 5 bucks, how could that game be? Oct 05 21:52:40 that's what i want the meta target to do Oct 05 21:52:45 egaudet: in preware/build.git there is Oct 05 21:52:50 PreMan: cold Oct 05 21:53:16 hey, I want miracles from palm, i want webos to seamlessly scroll like iphone Oct 05 21:53:20 clobber isn't run in the default target chain, what else rm -rf build Oct 05 21:53:44 egaudet: build/.built in common.mk is the place Oct 05 21:53:45 ipkgs/webos-internals/%/Packages: package Oct 05 21:53:48 does anyone want to do 'squarify the screen' and diff what changed? Oct 05 21:53:57 egaudet: put it as a second dependency there Oct 05 21:54:04 31 rm -rf ipkgs/webos-internals/$* 32 mkdir -p ipkgs/webos-internals/$* Oct 05 21:54:05 then add a target to touch it if it does not exist Oct 05 21:54:18 isnt squarify the screen just removing the corner images? Oct 05 21:54:27 try replacing your corner images with pngs Oct 05 21:54:39 AnOutsider: yeah.. that's it Oct 05 21:54:46 it places transparent images Oct 05 21:54:54 seriously? Oct 05 21:55:00 yeah, I really think that's it Oct 05 21:55:15 because the corners are actually black images Oct 05 21:55:21 then why is there no preware ipk for that? Oct 05 21:55:29 that should sooooooo be a preware patch Oct 05 21:55:34 because we haven't made one? Oct 05 21:55:39 oh Oct 05 21:56:56 alright I'm gonna head home Oct 05 21:57:24 mmk Oct 05 21:57:27 im gonna go back to work Oct 05 21:57:30 haha Oct 05 21:57:41 I can generate an IPK if that's really necessary Oct 05 21:57:47 but it's just transparent images Oct 05 21:59:46 i JUST thought of an idea for universal themes Oct 05 22:00:17 why not make a themes dir and put all images inside their theme's dir Oct 05 22:00:22 err Oct 05 22:00:34 make a themes dir and have all images placed in that dir Oct 05 22:00:50 then patch the files necessary to point to this "universal" dir Oct 05 22:01:24 I would think moving image files into place is a bit less "problematic" than patching a crapload of css/js files no? Oct 05 22:01:24 then it's as simple as replacing the images in this universal dir with different images when you want to change themes. Oct 05 22:01:40 if anything I'd say store themes in a folder, when they're going to be used, move them into place Oct 05 22:01:42 i guess so.. just thinking of keeping it all clean Oct 05 22:01:54 that would work too Oct 05 22:02:17 * rwhitby bbl (1h) Oct 05 22:02:37 that was the idea when I was going to do the prethemer app Oct 05 22:02:50 have a dir where themes are stored and jsut move their files into place when you want to use that theme Oct 05 22:03:04 u stupid u Oct 05 22:03:07 app catalog Oct 05 22:03:08 but with preware, I'm still not 100% sure a dedicated app is worth the effort Oct 05 22:03:13 it says i have no enouth memory Oct 05 22:03:16 but i have 150mb free Oct 05 22:03:17 wtf Oct 05 22:03:35 en0lol Oct 05 22:03:38 lol* Oct 05 22:03:43 too many ipk's installed Oct 05 22:03:44 ;) Oct 05 22:04:05 <[cooso]> hi Oct 05 22:04:12 stupid palm app catalog Oct 05 22:04:20 does preware know when a theme is installed and won't install one on top of one? Oct 05 22:04:27 en0x: its' not app cat.. its lunaservice Oct 05 22:04:46 so stupid luna then Oct 05 22:05:32 so now shes a hoe and stupid? Oct 05 22:05:40 right Oct 05 22:05:46 i'm going complain to palm Oct 05 22:05:54 i already did Oct 05 22:05:57 to Chuq himself Oct 05 22:06:01 i have only 61 packages installed Oct 05 22:06:03 from preware Oct 05 22:06:04 and he replied to my complaint Oct 05 22:06:09 including patches Oct 05 22:06:12 and what he said? Oct 05 22:06:13 which is 11 too many for luna Oct 05 22:06:29 "you will see the limit corrected soon" Oct 05 22:07:18 soon means next year Oct 05 22:07:29 aha, weatherbug for $1.99 and blockdrop for 4.99. Oct 05 22:07:46 4.99? Oct 05 22:07:49 geesh Oct 05 22:07:56 yup. Oct 05 22:08:05 im not buying 5$ apps Oct 05 22:08:22 * dBsooner-work will stick to homebrew Oct 05 22:08:31 i will if they're something i really like/want. Oct 05 22:08:38 blockdrop? nope. Oct 05 22:08:43 it would take a lot for $5 Oct 05 22:08:46 A LOT Oct 05 22:09:00 <[cooso]> is there a way to access the sdk webos instance vie novaterm or ssh (on linux)? atm I'm only able to novaterm in the qemu instance :/ Oct 05 22:09:11 does anyone still have the ipk for block drop? Oct 05 22:09:26 isnt it in preware? Oct 05 22:09:45 shoosh Oct 05 22:09:51 ya i found it Oct 05 22:09:53 i have like 5 pretty chicks in my class Oct 05 22:09:56 and 20 ugly Oct 05 22:09:57 :S Oct 05 22:10:15 gotta drop it Oct 05 22:10:16 :p Oct 05 22:11:43 wow Oct 05 22:11:46 appstore is SECURE Oct 05 22:11:51 so you can pretty much steal any of those paid apps Oct 05 22:12:03 so long as you know what the package name is Oct 05 22:12:07 huh? Oct 05 22:12:07 why woould you want to steal it? Oct 05 22:12:11 i don't Oct 05 22:12:19 but install blockdrop in preware Oct 05 22:12:25 then appstore goes HEY THERE IS AN UPDATE Oct 05 22:12:26 i did too Oct 05 22:12:31 and app catalog wants to update it Oct 05 22:12:34 yup Oct 05 22:12:37 but i have not enough memory! Oct 05 22:12:45 aint life a bitch sometimes Oct 05 22:13:09 yep blockdrop 1.0.4 Oct 05 22:13:11 "secure" Oct 05 22:13:19 oh new ebook reader Oct 05 22:13:20 o_X Oct 05 22:13:27 sampson_: did it update? Oct 05 22:13:37 1.0.4 is the version on my pre Oct 05 22:13:42 yeah it did Oct 05 22:14:47 lucky u Oct 05 22:14:47 ;] Oct 05 22:15:11 sampson_: doesn't do that here. Oct 05 22:15:13 oh shit some creepy girl speakingnow Oct 05 22:15:19 ;( Oct 05 22:15:22 jaw dropping Oct 05 22:15:29 tlp: open up the block drop app description Oct 05 22:15:32 and it will tell you there is an update Oct 05 22:16:05 [; Oct 05 22:16:06 hah Oct 05 22:16:09 palm is busted Oct 05 22:16:10 hopefully they fix that Oct 05 22:16:20 saounds like this is a bug that needs to be reported. ;) Oct 05 22:16:26 do it Oct 05 22:16:26 ;] Oct 05 22:16:32 i'm working on it Oct 05 22:21:53 Anyone know how I can list from largest to smallest the size of each directory in /var without generating a list by subdirectory and size? I would like to find out what is taking up all the space it shows 96% full with only 18 apps other tham the preloaded ones Oct 05 22:22:24 anybody know what would cause this? http://pastie.org/642912 Oct 05 22:22:35 its coming from usr/bin/mediaserver Oct 05 22:22:41 @dBsooner-wor it doesn't but the ipk does by checking for the presence of a theme.xml file (from preware or WOQI) Oct 05 22:22:51 hello everyone Oct 05 22:24:42 StoneRyno: du -h Oct 05 22:24:58 <[cooso]> StoneRyno: du -s /var/* | sort -rn Oct 05 22:25:23 don't you need -h for human readable? :D Oct 05 22:25:41 <[cooso]> dBsooner-work: of you want it sorted? ;) Oct 05 22:25:43 <[cooso]> if Oct 05 22:25:51 Good morning, hx0rz Oct 05 22:27:17 thanks cooso that is what i couldn't figure out and it worked perfectly so now to find out what is hogging so much space Oct 05 22:28:12 where is the stuff stored on the linux system that i push to when i plug into computer in usb mode? Oct 05 22:28:41 /media/internal Oct 05 22:28:58 correct, 4 pts Oct 05 22:29:04 is the app catalog unavailable to anyone else? Oct 05 22:31:57 sampson_: works fine here. Oct 05 22:33:10 holy cow /var/usr/lib is 140MB what they heck is in there that takes up all that space? Oct 05 22:33:45 a cow Oct 05 22:33:47 milk, moo moo Oct 05 22:33:54 where is mojo log Oct 05 22:33:59 i don't see it in /var/log Oct 05 22:34:42 <[cooso]> n1 has a hint how to access the emulated webos instance? Oct 05 22:35:21 <[cooso]> oh dump me Oct 05 22:35:41 boo app catalog died for me Oct 05 22:35:45 oh i found the culprit file: /var/usr/lib/ipkg/lists/webos-internals 140MB in size Oct 05 22:36:00 I'm guessing that is not supposed to be that big? Oct 05 22:38:14 mine is 8.9k Oct 05 22:39:36 hmagoo are you refering to the file I see is 140MB? Oct 05 22:41:15 is it safe to delete the /var/usr/lib/ipkg/lists/webos-internals file? Oct 05 22:41:35 the windows 7/vista keys are in - anyone wanting to buy cheap, hit me up with a /msg Oct 05 22:42:46 legit keys? Oct 05 22:42:56 yesir Oct 05 22:43:19 app store down for anyone? Oct 05 22:44:21 sampson_: you're alone sir :) Oct 05 22:50:11 probably because i accessed it too many times or something Oct 05 22:50:58 there it is Oct 05 22:55:31 ~seen ajames Oct 05 22:55:46 ouch Oct 05 22:55:47 ajames was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 4d 20h 42m 52s ago, saying: 'but not just eliminating them'. Oct 05 22:55:50 bah, where is that dork. i need him. Oct 05 23:07:02 holy shit Oct 05 23:07:10 the appstore has *NO* server-side verification on downloads Oct 05 23:07:20 adding in 1 line to the code gives every app for free Oct 05 23:07:24 just blasted an email to palm Oct 05 23:08:05 you're suppose to keep that stuff 0day bro Oct 05 23:08:21 and then make fun of tharris for not finding it ;) Oct 05 23:14:27 man this app limit is really annoying Oct 05 23:15:58 hey, i need someone with command line access to try a command for me Oct 05 23:16:57 Hello guys Oct 05 23:17:08 what zsoc? Oct 05 23:17:16 zsoc: I think tharris is working on vulnerabilities in the device mainly. like stuff that can pwn your phone, not whether palm restricts downloads Oct 05 23:17:29 i see Oct 05 23:17:43 jauderho, gst-launch camsrc ! fakesink Oct 05 23:17:49 and i need you to pastebin the output for me Oct 05 23:18:11 !? Oct 05 23:18:19 or did you mean | Oct 05 23:19:34 no, ! Oct 05 23:19:52 gstreamer "pipes" with !, as to not confuse *ash :) Oct 05 23:20:39 and does anyone know if the Pre uses YUV? Oct 05 23:21:53 So, sampson, what line :-) Oct 05 23:25:38 I don't have the fakesink command Oct 05 23:25:54 or is that a param? Oct 05 23:26:17 wow Oct 05 23:26:22 my internet randomly disconnects Oct 05 23:27:04 dBsooner-work, ping Oct 05 23:27:14 sup egaudet Oct 05 23:27:25 how many screeners ya got ready Oct 05 23:27:43 i pushed screens to 5 patches earlier Oct 05 23:27:50 I am holding another 30 or so screens Oct 05 23:27:57 I wil hav them updated when I get home Oct 05 23:27:58 why? Oct 05 23:28:27 hey, ya'll saw this, right? Oct 05 23:28:28 http://www.betanews.com/article/Flash-101-to-bring-rich-Web-apps-to-Palm-Pre-WinMo-making-iPhone-an-island/1254757873 Oct 05 23:28:40 umm.. yeah? Oct 05 23:28:44 oh Oct 05 23:28:48 zsoc Oct 05 23:28:48 http://webos.pastebin.com/d28e52ba2 Oct 05 23:28:52 Funny how there won't be iPhone support as far as I know Oct 05 23:29:02 yeah.. there was a news article about it earlier on pc.net Oct 05 23:29:06 dBsooner-work: k, nm =) Oct 05 23:29:33 heh, that page is loading reaally slow Oct 05 23:29:35 wait, mousey not that one Oct 05 23:29:36 zsoc: http://wklej.org/id/166682/ here u go Oct 05 23:29:58 thank you guys, unfortunately i was fearing that Oct 05 23:30:01 Mousey: I saw where Adobe announced the flash 10.1 and had a demo of it on a pre. Oct 05 23:30:09 palm somehow raped v4l2 _so_ bad, you can't even sink it to a TEST sink Oct 05 23:30:17 dBsooner-work: oooh, sexy Oct 05 23:30:53 egaudet: ? Oct 05 23:31:09 ? Oct 05 23:31:15 why did you ask? Oct 05 23:31:31 want to push meta versions Oct 05 23:31:42 ahh Oct 05 23:31:49 push away Oct 05 23:32:00 er, you can't sink it to a test sink without first using THEIR ENCODER. which is ridiculous, since it's closed source Oct 05 23:32:16 all my changes have been commited and pushed Oct 05 23:32:28 I will do more when I get home. Oct 05 23:32:46 well if you got 30 then Ill let you add META_VERSION then? Oct 05 23:33:07 add META_VERSION = 1 under VERSION for each Makefile that you update the screenshot for Oct 05 23:33:20 why can't I put META_VERSION in the Makefile as I am editing it? Oct 05 23:33:28 I'll push in the common.mk stuff Oct 05 23:33:33 how am i ever gonna sell windows 7 keys if my internet isnt connected to recieve messages from sellers :P Oct 05 23:33:36 dBsooner-work, didn't I just say that? Oct 05 23:33:46 oh Oct 05 23:33:52 i read it as "get" not "got" Oct 05 23:34:18 i'll be touching about every makefile Oct 05 23:34:28 exceptg a couple Oct 05 23:34:51 why don't you go ahead and put META_VERSION to all of them ;) Oct 05 23:36:29 dBsooner-work, have you touched the Makefiles yet? Oct 05 23:36:43 no Oct 05 23:36:45 im not home Oct 05 23:36:46 If I put META_VERSION you still have to bump meta version when you do Oct 05 23:36:50 so you should just put it Oct 05 23:36:51 ok Oct 05 23:36:54 lol Oct 05 23:36:54 ok Oct 05 23:37:01 I'll put it on the ones you already added Oct 05 23:37:06 so should i add it to the ones that I don't touch? Oct 05 23:37:31 How about you just add it to every patch Oct 05 23:37:32 meaning the ones I don't have screeny's for Oct 05 23:37:36 fine Oct 05 23:37:38 lol Oct 05 23:37:48 so neither of us has to parse through what is or isn't touched Oct 05 23:38:04 i'll just put it in all of them Oct 05 23:38:08 k Oct 05 23:38:08 or you could... Oct 05 23:38:11 do an easy replace Oct 05 23:38:20 You still have to BUMP 30 of them Oct 05 23:38:23 if I do it Oct 05 23:38:27 I know Oct 05 23:38:37 which is not a big deal Oct 05 23:38:37 ;) Oct 05 23:38:47 use sed Oct 05 23:38:47 ;D Oct 05 23:38:50 yea Oct 05 23:38:59 sed add a damn line META_VERSION = 1 under VERSION = Oct 05 23:39:12 is that the right sed syntax? :P Oct 05 23:39:31 sure if sed was HAL Oct 05 23:39:44 yep Oct 05 23:39:49 yep Oct 05 23:39:52 that will work just fine Oct 05 23:39:53 hia. Trying to tear out git/quilt and start fresh (I'm pretty sure I fubar'd something). I did ipkg-opt remove on both, but it left files behind: is there somewhere I can see a list of what to remove to start from scratch? Oct 05 23:40:18 sed add this stuff now META_VERSION = 1 after VERSION = Oct 05 23:41:37 holy shit. palms mpeg-4 format video encoder crashes nautilis on 'properties'. that's crazy. Oct 05 23:42:06 dBsooner-work: use gawk Oct 05 23:42:08 i wonder if i'll have my name in the next webos upgrade :< Oct 05 23:42:09 easier Oct 05 23:42:45 something like /VERSION = / { print "$0\nMETA_VERSION = 1 } Oct 05 23:42:52 dBsooner-work: :) Oct 05 23:43:06 no.. sed GET IT DONE Oct 05 23:43:31 kk Oct 05 23:46:48 Cool, no list, thanks all. I'll start by removing /opt/src/*, looks like only "patches" and "modifications" in there: would these be important to any other app/process? I don't know if git created them Oct 05 23:47:30 er, /opt is unused by palm provided or app catalog software Oct 05 23:48:37 nice! Do you happen to know if PreWare uses /opt/src (or quilt/git) to apply it's "patches"? I'm pretty sure it doesn't because it uses ipk's, but just in case Oct 05 23:49:23 it does not Oct 05 23:50:14 cool. Goodbye /opt/src Oct 05 23:54:59 hmm Oct 05 23:55:24 the ipkg service shows up under both apps and service in preware Oct 05 23:55:36 probably should only show up in service. Oct 06 00:02:22 fuck Oct 06 00:02:24 i tried to install an app from app catalog Oct 06 00:02:28 the podcast client Oct 06 00:02:32 and my pre rebooted Oct 06 00:02:32 :S Oct 06 00:02:51 mine said "Sorry not enough memory." Oct 06 00:03:18 mine ate a puppy! Oct 06 00:03:21 I *think* I found everything... find -name *git* is my new friend Oct 06 00:03:29 kesne: congrats. Oct 06 00:03:47 put *git* in quotes Oct 06 00:03:54 its basic find saftey Oct 06 00:04:17 thank you Mousey : I've never had any way to learn the safety :) what do the quotes do? Oct 06 00:04:48 the app catalog got A BUNCH of apps tonight... Oct 06 00:04:59 brings it up to a grand total of 122: amazing :O Oct 06 00:05:56 Wooo! Holy crap on a crutch quilt works again Oct 06 00:06:21 wow, they're still adding Oct 06 00:06:22 124 now Oct 06 00:06:24 do I press my luck and try to get submitting patches to work.... nah Oct 06 00:07:27 Does anyone know ajames or where he's been the last 4 days? Oct 06 00:07:40 nope Oct 06 00:14:26 oh where is kesne? Oct 06 00:14:35 I am here Oct 06 00:14:45 whats the appid for checkers pro? Oct 06 00:14:48 kesne: congratscongrats. Oct 06 00:14:50 grats kesne Oct 06 00:14:55 Yay! Oct 06 00:14:56 woo Oct 06 00:15:02 Why do you want the appid? Oct 06 00:15:04 kesne, yeah, awesome man. first paid apps :) Oct 06 00:15:09 he wants to hack it lol Oct 06 00:15:11 no reason, just interrested Oct 06 00:15:15 lol Oct 06 00:15:15 uh Oct 06 00:15:18 let me see Oct 06 00:15:54 lol Oct 06 00:16:02 oil tell him why Oct 06 00:16:13 don't let the kiddo be in the dark Oct 06 00:16:21 So, when do the useful apps come out? Oct 06 00:16:46 Abyssul: a lot of apps are coming tonight Oct 06 00:16:49 still more being added.. Oct 06 00:16:51 Im aware Oct 06 00:17:13 has palm stated to u app devs how they intend on protecting ur IP Oct 06 00:17:19 i would paid 10 bucks Oct 06 00:17:21 for irc app Oct 06 00:17:26 oil: it's net.keenstudios.imnot.adumbass Oct 06 00:17:31 awww Oct 06 00:17:32 no fun Oct 06 00:17:36 Rofl Oct 06 00:17:45 i was going to create a project with the same appid at version 0.0.1 Oct 06 00:17:47 and install it to my pre Oct 06 00:17:52 I know Oct 06 00:17:53 then run the update from the catalog for free xD Oct 06 00:17:57 Hehe Oct 06 00:18:06 I knew this would happen Oct 06 00:18:12 so I went out-of-the-norm Oct 06 00:18:20 oil lol Oct 06 00:18:30 ive already gotten free updates to blockdrop and wordwhirl Oct 06 00:18:33 <3 Oct 06 00:18:39 oil: samehere Oct 06 00:18:47 lol Oct 06 00:18:48 though Oct 06 00:18:52 99 cents isnt so bad Oct 06 00:19:00 why doens't palm have a check for "IF PURCHASED = ALLOW UPDATE, ELSE, GO AWAY"? Oct 06 00:19:04 i cant even updae my apps Oct 06 00:19:08 29 apps in the "today" section already - nice. Oct 06 00:19:16 i might purchase of it Oct 06 00:19:20 i cannot believe palm would let that fly Oct 06 00:19:23 not like that marco dude Oct 06 00:19:31 planning to charge $15 for that calculator? Oct 06 00:19:33 WOWOW Oct 06 00:19:36 what planet is he from? Oct 06 00:19:41 $15 Oct 06 00:19:42 ? Oct 06 00:19:44 seriously? Oct 06 00:19:51 thats what he posted in the devforum Oct 06 00:19:56 I seriously can't believe palm missed that. Oct 06 00:20:01 lol Oct 06 00:20:09 i dont know how people didnt think it would happen Oct 06 00:20:14 Beyond that, it shows you how good the "testers" palm/Sprint have are. Oct 06 00:20:15 oil: I'm cheap ;) Oct 06 00:20:32 That is absolutely amazing they missed that. Oct 06 00:20:32 oil: too much work for me to go through to get an app :P Oct 06 00:20:37 well i anticipated ipkgs being re-tard and pushed out, not a simple make a appid folder and version txt file Oct 06 00:20:51 lol Oct 06 00:21:16 Hmmm... VLC remote Oct 06 00:21:19 if palm allowed purchases to be made with paypal Oct 06 00:21:25 id buy checkers pro kesne :P Oct 06 00:21:35 Thank you Oct 06 00:21:53 i wonder if i can use my sprint visa card Oct 06 00:21:58 that i got for referall Oct 06 00:21:59 tell palm you need paypal support :) Oct 06 00:22:04 I wish I could use Paypal to pay for apps Oct 06 00:22:25 i wonder if i could sniff out the appids from the catalog Oct 06 00:22:37 maybe just edit the app to display it on the page Oct 06 00:22:49 What keeps people from copying apps from one pre to another? Oct 06 00:22:55 it is prolly in a db or in a "packages" file Oct 06 00:23:26 i know Oct 06 00:23:31 Abyssul: NOTHING Oct 06 00:23:38 Exactly :) Oct 06 00:23:42 u gonna make me look now arent u Oct 06 00:23:45 wait... so? Oct 06 00:23:47 Could the same be done with mytether and such? Oct 06 00:23:58 mytether is just a binary Oct 06 00:24:02 Abyssul: and once you have it, you can just update through the catalog like it doesnt matter Oct 06 00:24:05 get a friend and share Oct 06 00:24:12 Sharing is caring :) Oct 06 00:24:21 tharris-: well, my pre isn't "rooted" xD Oct 06 00:24:30 someone should make a patch to make the catalog display appids Oct 06 00:24:31 xD Oct 06 00:24:33 lol rooted Oct 06 00:24:36 (waits for Palm Pre app equivalent for torrents) Oct 06 00:24:43 oil, goes against this channels ethics... Oct 06 00:24:47 oh Oct 06 00:24:48 true Oct 06 00:24:48 ipkg -o /var list_installed Oct 06 00:24:52 disregard that Oct 06 00:24:54 tada! i ar skript writter! Oct 06 00:25:03 we should not be discussing circumventing palm security in here Oct 06 00:25:05 sorry guys, I may have just poiled your fun Oct 06 00:25:16 dBsooner-work: tattler Oct 06 00:25:16 is it really circumventing though? Oct 06 00:25:17 Dieter called me and aked if hard heard about this issue Oct 06 00:25:33 he said he was getting emails ab out people getting "blockdrop for free" Oct 06 00:25:35 yeah u are short changing devs, and addiing to piracy Oct 06 00:25:40 * PuffTheMagic has hellanzb running on his Pre now Oct 06 00:25:47 <3 Oct 06 00:26:13 Well crap.. I fianlly got the Not Enough Memory error Oct 06 00:26:27 anyway, I told him I had and what I knew abvout it. Oct 06 00:26:28 hahaah Oct 06 00:26:34 He immediately called someone at palm. Oct 06 00:26:41 Tattler Oct 06 00:26:49 and what palm told him? Oct 06 00:26:56 Lisa would be my guess. Ididn't tattle, I simply gave information that I had. Oct 06 00:26:58 probably they will pull out blockdrop Oct 06 00:27:09 Dude, I am a developer too and I hate being short changed. Oct 06 00:27:13 they would have to pull any homebrew app that wanted to charge Oct 06 00:27:16 This is major and really needs to be fixed. Oct 06 00:27:21 yeah Oct 06 00:27:28 the fix is, don't submit your app to palm with the same appid Oct 06 00:27:29 it is worse then paying, repacking and putting up somewhere Oct 06 00:27:31 how hard is that? Oct 06 00:28:03 oil, no they will have to fix the loop hole Oct 06 00:28:05 period Oct 06 00:28:08 Oil, does that mean we could create an blank app with a appid similar to one in the app catalog, then when we go to the catalog, it shows an update link? Oct 06 00:28:16 Because what's to stop someone from buying the app and "sharing" the appid? Oct 06 00:28:34 Abyssul: theoretically, yes that would work. Oct 06 00:28:36 Nothing.. Oct 06 00:28:41 Abyssul: i assume Oct 06 00:28:46 thats why i wanted kesne's appid Oct 06 00:28:57 lol Oct 06 00:28:57 come on kesne, let us try it out Oct 06 00:28:59 ;) Oct 06 00:29:05 Never! Oct 06 00:29:11 We won't share your appid Oct 06 00:29:12 promise Oct 06 00:29:16 pm it to oil.. ;) Oct 06 00:29:44 i can't believe this was missed. Oct 06 00:30:05 not like i haven't helped TONS with creating your app Oct 06 00:30:09 :) Oct 06 00:30:11 and by tons Oct 06 00:30:15 lol! Oct 06 00:30:17 i mean, telling you to find it for yourself Oct 06 00:30:22 hahahaha Oct 06 00:30:26 and sometimes pointing you in the right direction Oct 06 00:30:28 which technically.. is a lot of owkr Oct 06 00:30:30 Hey Oct 06 00:30:32 work* Oct 06 00:30:32 Everyone Oct 06 00:30:35 WHAT? Oct 06 00:30:38 :D Oct 06 00:30:38 appid Oct 06 00:30:41 You want is? Oct 06 00:30:48 for your pro Oct 06 00:30:50 so next comes the shell script that harvests appids and posts them to 4chan? Oct 06 00:30:54 whoa someone has hellanzb on the pre? Oct 06 00:30:55 yes Oct 06 00:31:12 dBsooner-work: what's your app? Oct 06 00:31:13 * Mousey googles instead of asking Oct 06 00:31:14 gimme Oct 06 00:31:18 I don't have an app Oct 06 00:31:27 oil was talking to kesne Oct 06 00:31:36 oh Oct 06 00:31:47 If you want the appid, download the app and go look Oct 06 00:32:03 hehe, I don't think those ridiculously-priced apps will last long. Nobody will pay for them. Oct 06 00:32:04 Spend that buck :p Oct 06 00:32:12 I agree tlp Oct 06 00:32:18 nice topic change Oct 06 00:32:22 tlp: agree Oct 06 00:32:23 oh man Oct 06 00:32:24 lol Oct 06 00:32:30 * dBsooner-work is changing his phone number. Oct 06 00:32:35 busted :P Oct 06 00:32:35 PuffTheMagic: I'm sorry Oct 06 00:32:40 ? Oct 06 00:32:44 whats the topic now? Oct 06 00:32:44 dieter is giving my # to chuq. Oct 06 00:32:47 For calling you a jackass Oct 06 00:32:59 rats Oct 06 00:33:03 oh its not a big deal... i just was gonna give you a hard time Oct 06 00:33:11 its fine Oct 06 00:33:26 :( Oct 06 00:33:36 * Mousey thinks ( octalthorpe? ) Oct 06 00:33:48 Abyssul: rwhitby added "We do not condone subverting payment for applications." to the end of it Oct 06 00:34:29 # Lottery Generator, $.99 app from Ovlite for making random numbers Oct 06 00:34:30 lol Oct 06 00:34:33 Wouldn't the easiest solution be to check your "palm profile" which is supposed to track what you buy? Or is that BS as well and just goes off the folders? Oct 06 00:34:50 lol i contacted chuq once Oct 06 00:35:09 I have talked with him in email a couple times. Oct 06 00:35:27 i'd still prefer to run my own palm profile server, so i could tie it in with eGroupware for calendaring win Oct 06 00:35:34 or just get syncml Oct 06 00:35:39 * Mousey babbles Oct 06 00:36:20 heh, apparently there are more pre's in my area than I think: my phone lost EVDO again. Oct 06 00:36:44 flare576, restart java services with lunamanager Oct 06 00:36:57 yup yup Oct 06 00:37:03 app catalog crashed as well Oct 06 00:37:20 not that I could actually download anything... :: grumbles about app limit:: Oct 06 00:37:40 oh, thot it was down for other reasons Oct 06 00:37:57 a patch, mayhaps? Oct 06 00:38:01 lol.. you can hear them at palm.. "Pull the plug" ;) Oct 06 00:38:03 I haven't seen a single Pre in the wild yet Oct 06 00:38:08 i've seen two Oct 06 00:38:12 Really? I see dozens daily Oct 06 00:38:13 neither of them had heard of preware Oct 06 00:38:14 ive seen one Oct 06 00:38:19 I haven't.. except for the people I know tha thave one. Oct 06 00:38:28 I don't know anyone who has one either Oct 06 00:38:33 It's depressing lol Oct 06 00:38:34 I saw a ton at PAX Oct 06 00:38:40 brb.. going inside to boot home laptop Oct 06 00:38:42 hmm Oct 06 00:38:46 looking through app catalog code Oct 06 00:38:48 found this line Oct 06 00:38:48 self._validateInstallSpace(function(status) Oct 06 00:38:55 There were plenty at Pax, a good number at blizzcon and I know quite a few people in the bay with them Oct 06 00:38:59 get around install space info? Oct 06 00:39:08 blizzcon was a giant pile of iphones that didn't work in the convention center Oct 06 00:39:26 Wait for ComicCon :) Oct 06 00:40:13 but, uh, any awesome programmers want to check what Decimation_ just found? lol Oct 06 00:40:22 i am digging atm Oct 06 00:40:25 g'nite internets.. Oct 06 00:40:34 heh Oct 06 00:40:36 DieterBohn! howdy! Oct 06 00:40:38 * Abyssul bows to DieterBohn Oct 06 00:40:43 stupid app limit shit! Oct 06 00:40:44 evening Oct 06 00:40:48 lol Oct 06 00:41:02 en0x: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Solution_to_App_Catalog_Installation_Limit Oct 06 00:41:07 everyone hides! Oct 06 00:41:10 DieterBohn has arrived. Oct 06 00:41:13 Abyssul: no time for this Oct 06 00:41:26 lulz hi everybody Oct 06 00:41:29 welcome to the depths Oct 06 00:42:36 DieterBohn: rwhitby is back as well. Oct 06 00:42:42 DieterBohn, omg lulz HI THAR Oct 06 00:42:51 Abyssul: while I appreciate the effort, moving files around isn't my most optimal solution Oct 06 00:43:06 Is rwhitby around? Oct 06 00:43:10 What do you suggest then flare576? Oct 06 00:43:22 he's a lurker that rwhitby Oct 06 00:43:22 i suggest for palm to fix it Oct 06 00:43:23 :P Oct 06 00:43:33 chrisa, he was around 5 minutes ago when he changed the topic :) Oct 06 00:43:44 Theres a lot of things Palm needs to do, but it wont happen lol Oct 06 00:43:49 Abyssul: if Decimation_ has found a line in the app catalog code that checks it, we can patch it :) Oct 06 00:44:05 DieterBohn is here? Oct 06 00:44:13 What about homebrew apps though? Oct 06 00:44:13 looks like it Oct 06 00:44:15 only part of me Oct 06 00:44:15 Back off Bohn, there ain't room for two bloggers in here :p Oct 06 00:44:16 nah its my clone Oct 06 00:44:25 freakout, haha Oct 06 00:44:31 flare576: From what oil and others say, it has nothing to do with the APP CATALOG. It has to do with the lunaservice binary error'ing Oct 06 00:45:07 Abyssul: what about homebrew? Right now you can install as much homebrew as you want. If the app catalog doesn't fail on size checks, then we're solid Oct 06 00:45:55 Homebrew apps determine the size as well as far as I know Oct 06 00:46:02 I could be wrong though Oct 06 00:46:15 of course Oct 06 00:46:15 dBsooner-work: I've got very little experience in this matter, but all I can think is that the app store is the only thing that freaks out about space: something in that code checks before it even starts to download. Oct 06 00:46:31 Abyssul: no no, you're right, homebrew impacts the limit Oct 06 00:46:38 but obviously it's not a system limitation Oct 06 00:46:45 lmao, guys, palm has some serious app catalog problems. Oct 06 00:46:52 w00t Oct 06 00:47:02 Decimation_: check the topic Oct 06 00:47:03 there's more than enough space in that partition, there's no file limit, the app catalog doesn't even start downloading Oct 06 00:47:12 it has to do with how luna reports info back to app catalog Oct 06 00:47:14 ~seen destinal Oct 06 00:47:15 app catalog is just the UI Oct 06 00:47:26 destinal was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 1h 30m 10s ago, saying: 'zsoc: I think tharris is working on vulnerabilities in the device mainly. like stuff that can pwn your phone, not whether palm restricts downloads'. Oct 06 00:47:36 ~botsnack Oct 06 00:47:36 thanks, freakout Oct 06 00:48:47 I can't believe the Music app still lacks a slider. Oct 06 00:48:50 dBsooner-work: I got that, yeah, but, well, bah. I'm not knowledgable enough to offer help on the problem lol Oct 06 00:49:03 I can confirm that updating apps via the App Catalog after useing the symlinks solution to app size limitations does indeed work. Oct 06 00:49:06 Just QQ Oct 06 00:49:37 Abyssul: yeah, I'll take that solution and just stfu until Palm fixes it or you guys figure out how to fix it first ;) Oct 06 00:49:55 Thank you very much for pointing it out, I hadn't seen the most recent updates. Oct 06 00:50:15 It works very nicely flare Oct 06 00:50:21 I installed it in 5 minutes and no errors Oct 06 00:50:27 Also has backup and clean uninstall features Oct 06 00:53:51 I just now discovered you can swipe up to mimic the center button. Oct 06 00:54:21 center button ? Oct 06 00:54:30 yeah, the only button on the pre :p Oct 06 00:54:31 tlp, you.. just discovered that? Oct 06 00:54:34 yep Oct 06 00:54:35 WOW Oct 06 00:54:58 Did you know that you can swipe down from the top of the LCD screen to bring down the app menu or system UI menu? Oct 06 00:55:09 didn't know that either, haha Oct 06 00:55:12 maybe I should read the manual Oct 06 00:55:13 that's why we said some of us don't even use the button Oct 06 00:55:40 Abyssul: that was added in 1.2 Oct 06 00:55:42 i really wish the button would act as the back gesture ... i find the back gesture to be cumbersome while quickly navigating Oct 06 00:55:45 it was a patch before that Oct 06 00:55:47 That feature was added in 1.2 Oct 06 00:55:50 I know Oil :p Oct 06 00:55:56 lol Oct 06 00:56:32 ohh, that swipe down is handy Oct 06 00:56:37 It's good to know Palm is watching Oct 06 00:56:48 maybe next they'll give us a proper character counter... Oct 06 00:56:53 ...and unicorns! Oct 06 00:57:02 yay, unicorns Oct 06 00:57:05 it was in the chnagelog Oct 06 00:57:08 are any of the patches licensed so that they could just integrate them into a future release if they so desired? Oct 06 00:57:13 the 1.2.0 changelog Oct 06 00:57:14 I can't wait for Flash and GPU driver Oct 06 00:57:22 they could integrate them Oct 06 00:57:31 i'm trying to bug them to integrate my timestamp patch Oct 06 00:57:37 cool Oct 06 00:57:45 free development. Oct 06 00:58:21 i will now be disappointed when 1.3 doesn't include unicorns Oct 06 00:58:28 thanks freakout Oct 06 00:58:30 lol Oct 06 00:58:38 im out Oct 06 00:58:40 laterz Oct 06 00:58:54 later, en0x. oil: geist promised them to us in 1.2, dammit Oct 06 00:59:15 I bet he's riding one right now, laughing at us all Oct 06 00:59:59 Wish I could get the browser multi patch to work... keep getting errors Oct 06 01:00:10 mine works Oct 06 01:00:14 what errors? Oct 06 01:00:36 egaudet Oct 06 01:00:44 egaudet: syn|ack Oct 06 01:00:49 well let's see Oct 06 01:01:20 hi Oct 06 01:01:36 did you add those flags? Oct 06 01:02:41 to common.mk Oct 06 01:02:46 when I try thru I get reversed or previously applied patch detected ! Oct 06 01:02:57 So you didn't add it to the Makefiles? Oct 06 01:04:23 assume -r (n) Oct 06 01:04:58 You trying to UNINSTALL it? Oct 06 01:05:03 or REMOVE it? Oct 06 01:05:45 used termial on the phone tried but no dice Oct 06 01:05:55 again Oct 06 01:05:57 are you trying to REMOVE It? Oct 06 01:06:00 from preware.. Oct 06 01:06:28 sorry was watching Farve hrow his first td against greenbay Oct 06 01:06:40 trying to install it Oct 06 01:06:44 dBsooner, i didn't add anything until you are done Oct 06 01:06:54 have tried QI and preware Oct 06 01:06:59 you cna add them to all or just the ones you change, whatever you prefer I'll the others if you want Oct 06 01:07:52 ok Oct 06 01:10:57 when I try to install thru preware I get Error 4 Oct 06 01:11:11 That's interesting. It looks like Palm used OpenEmbedded. I guess that was pretty well known. Oct 06 01:11:59 guest_ you are giving me conflicting info Oct 06 01:12:19 guest_ the error you gave me above about -R is a REMOVE error Oct 06 01:12:24 I am sorry Oct 06 01:12:28 then you said you are trying to INSTALL in preware? Oct 06 01:13:21 when I try to install the patch thru QI I get an error that is where I am at . Oct 06 01:14:34 I was told earlier to try to remove some files ..they seem to persist no matter what Oct 06 01:14:47 Is pastebin.com down? Oct 06 01:16:03 what patch are you trying to install, what exact error log are you getting (ipkg log app men from preware) Oct 06 01:16:20 egaudet: guest_ is trying to do multi-patch browser Oct 06 01:16:57 yes I get errors either way I try to install QI or preware Oct 06 01:17:18 what file Oct 06 01:17:22 is giving the error about -R? Oct 06 01:18:55 there are about 16 lines to the error where should I start ? Oct 06 01:19:46 Hahahaha. So the developer who worked for palm who patched v4l2, he also patched for _whitespacing_ that would not affect the code in any way i can tell. He wanted to fix it to make it look pretty. It made the patch twice as large as it had to be. Oct 06 01:21:26 neh, silly but not really a problem Oct 06 01:21:43 Unless he did like tabs<->spaces Oct 06 01:21:46 Then it's a holy war Oct 06 01:21:50 does v4l work now? Oct 06 01:21:58 video streaming Oct 06 01:22:18 tmzt, what does v4l have to do with the pre? Oct 06 01:22:28 unless you mean v4l2? Oct 06 01:22:32 yeah Oct 06 01:22:34 v4l2 Oct 06 01:22:38 v4l is compat Oct 06 01:22:41 What about it didn't work before? Oct 06 01:22:48 gstreamer? Oct 06 01:23:05 There are 6 lines of patching the last line before the reversed part goes as follows Oct 06 01:23:46 I'm confused, you mean... does v4l2 work with gstreamer? Oct 06 01:24:06 zsoc: it's oe, yes, but they never released recipes I think Oct 06 01:24:10 has that changed? Oct 06 01:24:18 yes, that's the question Oct 06 01:24:32 did whoever was trying to get streaming to work with gstreamer get it to work? Oct 06 01:24:32 patching file usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.browser/sources.json Oct 06 01:24:38 next line is Oct 06 01:24:41 v4l2 works with gstreamer, v4l2 will not register on the patched version of gstreamer on the pre Oct 06 01:25:05 tmzt, streaming what? exactly? you mean streaming over http? Oct 06 01:25:26 going to ask once more before i go to bed, does anyone want to buy a cheap windows 7 key? /msg if interested or if looking for details. Oct 06 01:25:32 kesne: checkers pro only has 2 screenshots? Oct 06 01:25:37 i keep waiting for that third to load Oct 06 01:26:03 zsoc: rtp probably Oct 06 01:26:14 Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected! Assume -R? [n] Oct 06 01:27:03 Oil: how much time did you waste on waiting for that 3rd screenshot? want it refunded? :) Oct 06 01:27:12 lol Oct 06 01:27:25 tmzt, i'm confused, are you asking if video streaming works over the pre yet? Oct 06 01:28:17 streaming from the camera Oct 06 01:28:24 using gstreamer to rtp Oct 06 01:28:37 dbsooner Oct 06 01:28:41 chrisa, i can't tell exactly, but he did a lot of 'tabbing', or what seems like it Oct 06 01:29:09 tmzt, that works _presumably_ throught the theoraenc gstreamer element coupled with an icecast server Oct 06 01:29:09 Anyone wanna test my theme? I need feedback (Flash of Black and Red) Oct 06 01:29:28 chrisa: I was asked by some OE developers if there are plans to release the OE recipes used to build the Pre root images Oct 06 01:29:43 zsoc: and kernel support? Oct 06 01:30:01 yes guest_? Oct 06 01:30:02 tmzt, er, define kernel support? Oct 06 01:30:22 zsoc: does v4l2 work well enough to stream from the video camera using gstreamer Oct 06 01:30:37 Why did the creating of the remote apps in the catalog create separate apps for different programs? Maximize profits anyone? Oct 06 01:30:55 haha that was suppose to be creator* Oct 06 01:31:07 tmzt, you use v4l2 every time you open the camera app or take a pictures (or take a hacked together video) Oct 06 01:31:18 tabs in code ruin my life Oct 06 01:31:19 from command line, no luna Oct 06 01:31:23 am I stil confuisng try to relay the errrors as they appear Oct 06 01:31:34 tmzt, just not the standard version of v4l2, palm's patched version they call "camsrc" Oct 06 01:31:43 ok Oct 06 01:31:53 so the use vfe and the dsp Oct 06 01:31:58 or whatever ti calls vfe Oct 06 01:32:09 tmzt, er, can you clarify that for me? Oct 06 01:32:11 is there source for these patches? Oct 06 01:32:17 vfe - video front end Oct 06 01:32:27 Abyssul: dumb question if you would: if I use that mvapp script and then an update comes out, do I have to move it back first, or will it follow the symlink like a good linux app? Oct 06 01:32:29 dsp - inside of the omap3 cihp Oct 06 01:32:32 chip Oct 06 01:32:42 I know what the dsp is :P Oct 06 01:32:57 vfe is a video front end? Oct 06 01:33:14 There is a source for these patches, assuming we're talking about the same things. Oct 06 01:33:19 er, private might be better than spalm the channel? Oct 06 01:33:40 zsoc: no no no Oct 06 01:33:53 zsoc: It's easier for me to spy for scoops if you do it in the main channel :p Oct 06 01:33:59 guest_, can you backtrack your steps Oct 06 01:34:09 yes Oct 06 01:34:20 freakout, there's no scoops happening here, and I _think_ that if i'm going to release any direct results of my work i'd do it in private anyway :) Oct 06 01:34:41 guest_, are you 27scoob Oct 06 01:34:46 Iyes Oct 06 01:35:02 lol Oct 06 01:35:04 guest_: you might try /nick Oct 06 01:35:10 * freakout laughs at zsoc, who hasn't yet noticed my spy-trojans infesting his PC Oct 06 01:35:42 freakout, i have a PC? Oct 06 01:35:49 * PuffTheMagic laughs at windows 7 users Oct 06 01:35:58 guest_ could you tell me the name and path of that sources.json file? Oct 06 01:36:24 let's see Oct 06 01:36:26 zsoc: Dear God. Another Mac? Oct 06 01:36:58 let's see Oct 06 01:37:04 usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.browser/sources.json Oct 06 01:37:45 freakout, you're kidding? tell me again you're kidding? this is like the time you said "rooting the pre" over and over again right? Oct 06 01:37:51 rofl Oct 06 01:38:13 just joshin' you mate. I know how big a Windows ME fan you are Oct 06 01:39:00 hahahaha Oct 06 01:43:05 Sprint femtocell reportedly runs Linux: http://www.samsung.com/global/business/telecomm/opensource/femtocell.html Oct 06 01:43:26 awesome Oct 06 01:43:29 why wouldn't it, though Oct 06 01:43:34 I mean, that's the easiest way to go Oct 06 01:44:22 is rwhitby about to found #femtocell-internals? Oct 06 01:44:35 http://forums.precentral.net/attachments/homebrew-apps/33617d1254787938-webos-quick-install-v2-7-beyond-capture4.jpg Oct 06 01:45:39 that is the error I get when I try to install Browser multi Patch thru QI Oct 06 01:46:00 can you connect novaterm Oct 06 01:46:07 Whats the code to find out your data usage? (#data) ? Oct 06 01:46:37 No not at the moment Oct 06 01:46:53 Abyssul: did you catch my question earlier? I'm sorry if it's answered somewhere else :( Oct 06 01:47:00 rwhitby, right up your alley? Oct 06 01:47:06 No I didn't let me look Oct 06 01:47:10 guest_ you might have to doctor Oct 06 01:47:36 unless the 1.2.1 doctor comes out, we can't get the original sources.json file repaired Oct 06 01:47:46 dang I was afraid of that ...every other patch works Oct 06 01:47:52 if you had terminal access we might be able to apply the patch and skip that file then rverse the patch completely Oct 06 01:47:54 I just tested the update for the BlockDrop app in the catalog after the mod flare Oct 06 01:48:04 Abyssul: solid? Oct 06 01:48:05 App updated fine and works normal Oct 06 01:48:14 Abyssul: you are the man, good sir. Oct 06 01:48:20 Im guessing that Preware updates would be similar Oct 06 01:48:55 I have terminal on the phone now Oct 06 01:48:55 Abyssul: this is a great solution: my apologies for doubting you :) Oct 06 01:50:44 time to try the big boys: wordace and cardace lol Oct 06 01:50:52 :) Oct 06 01:51:05 oil: two screenies is it Oct 06 01:51:16 we have a winner, wordace works Oct 06 01:51:33 Hehe Oct 06 01:51:33 kesne it looks funny Oct 06 01:51:35 can we try something thru terminal I have on the phone E ? Oct 06 01:51:37 you should add a 3rd Oct 06 01:51:39 What are some of the phone codes? Oct 06 01:51:42 (personal opinion ofcourse) Oct 06 01:51:42 I will later Oct 06 01:51:46 i thought it would hide that blank one Oct 06 01:51:48 guess not Oct 06 01:52:32 chrisa, omg, he's tabbing comments to get them farther away from the code. Oct 06 01:53:55 Would someone like to test my theme (Flash of Black and Red) and provide some feedback? Oct 06 01:54:43 guest_, try to install the patch with preware and hit cancel when confirmation dialog comes up Oct 06 01:55:01 shhhhhh Oct 06 01:55:06 okay Oct 06 01:55:13 dont tell egaudet installed 11 patches with autopatch Oct 06 01:55:38 success! Oct 06 01:55:58 AutoPatch is officially complete :D Oct 06 01:56:03 Checkers pro is the only paid app Oct 06 01:56:08 guest_ now open terminal Oct 06 01:56:08 ? Oct 06 01:56:14 Check the catalog all Oct 06 01:56:15 and type: Oct 06 01:56:16 cd / Oct 06 01:56:24 palm is pulling paid apps Oct 06 01:56:29 Really? Oct 06 01:56:33 yes Oct 06 01:56:35 just got word Oct 06 01:56:36 All but checkers pro it seems Oct 06 01:56:41 All of them are gone Oct 06 01:56:41 and THEN, he _UN-TABBED_ a ton of functions to bring the parenthesis closer Oct 06 01:56:42 but ONE Oct 06 01:56:45 Rofl Oct 06 01:56:46 cause checkers pro is win? Oct 06 01:56:56 Must be Oct 06 01:56:59 lol Oct 06 01:57:04 Wow Oct 06 01:57:08 They must be like "Oh this kid, this app owns nubs" Oct 06 01:57:10 raise your hand if you put TABS in your C code Oct 06 01:57:24 * dBsooner raises my hand Oct 06 01:57:29 Got an error when I hit cancel now trying to open terminal Oct 06 01:57:42 kesne, lol, you are literally elite now Oct 06 01:57:56 i wonder why they are pulling them Oct 06 01:57:59 dBsooner, go place your fingers on a hot kettle for 10 minutes Oct 06 01:58:02 Good job oil/rwhitby. Oct 06 01:58:24 en0x: because of the exploit. Oct 06 01:58:35 * dBsooner points to the channel topic. Oct 06 01:58:44 what exploit? that you could get blockdrop for free? Oct 06 01:58:44 :P Oct 06 01:58:53 again, check topic. ;) Oct 06 01:59:14 Now watch as everyone's downloaded paid apps are pulled from their Pre's Oct 06 01:59:22 remote kill switch Oct 06 01:59:24 That was a pretty short run of paid apps... now we see the use of the nuke button Oct 06 01:59:27 Indeed Oct 06 01:59:29 remote kill might be used Oct 06 01:59:30 lol Oct 06 01:59:42 * Abyssul dangles finger over the big red button. Oct 06 01:59:48 greg roll you there? Oct 06 02:00:04 DISENGAGE! DISENGAGE! If you turn on airplane mode for the rest of your Pre's life, you'll be oKk! Oct 06 02:00:15 Palm just called me Oct 06 02:00:39 egaudet: what did you mean about autopatch being done Oct 06 02:00:41 kesne ? Oct 06 02:00:42 kesne: did they say "grats on not being a n00b" Oct 06 02:00:52 They said They ARE going to pull it Oct 06 02:01:05 awww Oct 06 02:01:18 did you tell them you're un-n00bsauce and that it's totally cool? lol Oct 06 02:01:18 PuffTheMagic used it :P Oct 06 02:02:04 Did they just fix the app catalog leak? Oct 06 02:02:20 no, they bypassed it by not having paid apps yet :) Oct 06 02:02:24 the issue with the homebrew and official versionS? Oct 06 02:02:26 they fixed it by removing all the paid apps Oct 06 02:03:06 so what about all the people who have d/l the paid apps? Oct 06 02:03:14 I bet they will still be "bought" Oct 06 02:03:21 and you can download them again once they are restored Oct 06 02:03:30 OR they will throw the kill switch and youg et a refund Oct 06 02:03:40 glad I waited to buy FriendFlow.... Oct 06 02:03:45 psh Oct 06 02:03:52 if they're going to do anything dramatic Oct 06 02:03:58 id rather downgrade back to the free homebrew versions Oct 06 02:04:02 so if I have a copy I got free and copied the copy to my computer, can I in theory distribute that amongst my families pres if I wanted to? Oct 06 02:04:06 What I wouldn't give for 20 minutes with the guy who worked on Palm Gst and v4l2 patches Oct 06 02:04:45 presane_: let's not talk about that. Oct 06 02:04:52 are they not letting you install any apps right now?? Oct 06 02:05:17 i just installed a free app Oct 06 02:05:29 I keep getting the too many apps error? Oct 06 02:05:34 even after uninstalling many Oct 06 02:05:38 that's a different issue :) Oct 06 02:05:44 hmm, just froze my pre, now its working again Oct 06 02:05:55 just had a freeze I guess, thanks flare576 Oct 06 02:06:00 Ah ha! I'm off work! See you all later maybe; this might be fun to watch :) Oct 06 02:06:19 chekers pro is still there. Oct 06 02:06:49 That ones only 99 cents, its perfectly reasonable too Oct 06 02:07:07 kesne and i already figured it out Oct 06 02:07:11 its cause checkers pro was the best one Oct 06 02:07:37 oil: honestly, it's up there Oct 06 02:07:40 lots of crap apps there Oct 06 02:07:55 yeah Kesne has done great work Oct 06 02:08:00 thats why I BOUGHT your app Oct 06 02:08:01 however Oct 06 02:08:04 995 for golf pin finder? I admit there's a lot of back end data management for that, but $10 !?!?!?! Oct 06 02:08:21 elchileno I gave 10$s and now he wants 5 additional and I cant even get my beta back!? Oct 06 02:08:24 Come on Oct 06 02:09:16 the real shocker Oct 06 02:09:24 will be when marco releases his calculator for $15 Oct 06 02:09:39 not happening Oct 06 02:09:41 presane_: Yeah, I never even asked for money :P Oct 06 02:09:57 does any one have the beta of block drop on rapidshare or anything? Oct 06 02:10:11 lol Oct 06 02:10:13 if rwhitby is around he ought to consider webos-internals twittering it Oct 06 02:10:21 I have version 0.4.1 lol Oct 06 02:10:29 presane_: this is your first warning, please read the topic Oct 06 02:10:31 I have block drop beta on my phone.... Oct 06 02:10:47 I already told him once rwhitby Oct 06 02:10:50 scroll up. ;) Oct 06 02:10:59 ITS off the app catalog! Oct 06 02:11:02 hehe Oct 06 02:11:03 ;] Oct 06 02:11:04 I dont understand the issue Oct 06 02:11:14 99 for checkers is a must have! Oct 06 02:11:15 The issue is we are not to talk about circumventing the system. Oct 06 02:11:16 ok i'm going to bed Oct 06 02:11:23 good night Oct 06 02:11:30 i would get it if not app limit :( Oct 06 02:11:32 I want the game, I dont want to steal it, I am not buying it, but I am content with my beta I rightfully purchased Oct 06 02:11:52 You purchased the beta? Oct 06 02:11:53 u purhcased beta? Oct 06 02:11:55 but I'm nt sharing it, I make my living with Intellecutalproperty Oct 06 02:11:56 http://danielfarina.com/palmpre/?site=update no longer works, it was disabled today Oct 06 02:11:58 Exactly^ Oct 06 02:11:59 That's fine. But talking about it being on rapidshare, etc, is not nice.l Oct 06 02:12:08 presane_: if an application is not licensed to allow redistribution (which is the case by default), then redistribution is illegal under copyright law. you will need to talk to the author. Oct 06 02:12:36 or go with rwhitby's statement. It's much better than mine. Oct 06 02:13:02 WTF is checkers pro doing there? Oct 06 02:13:15 Still? Oct 06 02:13:22 This is pissing me off Oct 06 02:13:39 kesne: Palm are doing charity on your behalf :p Oct 06 02:13:47 freakout! Oct 06 02:13:50 You are here! Oct 06 02:13:59 kesne: sometimes it feels like I never leave Oct 06 02:14:47 hehehe Oct 06 02:14:57 u r losing 20bucks a minutes for checkers pro Oct 06 02:14:57 :p Oct 06 02:15:24 kesne, just bought your app again Oct 06 02:15:29 :) Oct 06 02:15:53 I literally sent palm an email asking for compensation Oct 06 02:16:04 lol Oct 06 02:16:06 for what? Oct 06 02:16:33 Leaving checkers pro up way longer than it should have been Oct 06 02:16:34 for checkers Oct 06 02:16:34 ;P Oct 06 02:17:06 Lol Oct 06 02:17:36 kesne: thats fine we like free apps Oct 06 02:17:36 ;] Oct 06 02:17:39 I seriously am loosing potential revinue Oct 06 02:17:49 because people were getting it free with regular checkers too? Oct 06 02:17:58 No, he has different appid Oct 06 02:18:05 I have a different appid Oct 06 02:18:06 but it's vulnerable. Oct 06 02:18:28 i wonder how long its gonna take palm to fix it Oct 06 02:18:29 vulnerable how Oct 06 02:18:38 Ive purchased 2 copies now BTW :D Oct 06 02:18:44 they should md5sum appid Oct 06 02:18:45 ;] Oct 06 02:18:47 presane_: again, not talking about it. Oct 06 02:18:48 its easily one of the top 3 on the catalog Oct 06 02:20:13 i hate when ppl r stealing somebodys work Oct 06 02:20:19 im not trying to start up piracy, that was purely an educational question Oct 06 02:20:47 WTF!! Here's my long lost 16gb flash drive! Oct 06 02:20:49 I just purchased 2 of the checkers pro app Oct 06 02:21:05 can somebody ban him? Oct 06 02:21:06 Abyssul, yeah, sorry, i borrowed it Oct 06 02:21:08 I just got the checkers pro for free :) Oct 06 02:21:18 damn you zsoc :p Oct 06 02:21:24 Abyssul: oh yeah, how so? Oct 06 02:21:37 Guys, please. let's let it drop Oct 06 02:21:37 Abyssul: heh :P i get not enough memory and i;m not feeling like use the script to move apps Oct 06 02:21:43 Ima beta tester :) Oct 06 02:22:00 Thank you rick_home. Oct 06 02:22:03 I hope everyone who is taking advantage of the loopholes in the app catalog realise that Palm is able to track exactly what you are doing, and cross reference that with your Sprint account ... Oct 06 02:22:03 en0x, the script isnt hard Oct 06 02:22:09 I installed it in like 5 mmins Oct 06 02:22:21 like i said i'm not feeling like doing it Oct 06 02:22:35 then I guess it isn't important enough yet Oct 06 02:22:38 [; Oct 06 02:23:09 hah, app catalog down for anyone else/ Oct 06 02:23:27 uh oh ^ Oct 06 02:23:39 cool! Good job to egaudet! Oct 06 02:23:54 hah, Oct 06 02:23:57 all the paid apps are going down Oct 06 02:24:02 We got the AutoPatch feed fixed to where we can edit MetaData without incrementing build #'s. Oct 06 02:24:14 rofl Oct 06 02:24:15 oh no's. Oct 06 02:24:16 Welcome back to the current events Decimation Oct 06 02:24:19 Everyone run Oct 06 02:24:22 Checkers Pro is the only paid app left :O Oct 06 02:24:24 rwhitby took ops. Oct 06 02:24:37 Abyssul: sh, i was gone Oct 06 02:25:34 amazing how silent it got when +o rwhitby went across the screen. Oct 06 02:25:49 Mmhmm... Oct 06 02:26:34 kesne: why is yours still there? Oct 06 02:27:33 No idea Oct 06 02:28:09 Its a test app :p Oct 06 02:28:11 cause its awesome Oct 06 02:28:16 obviously Oct 06 02:28:18 that it is Oct 06 02:28:23 WebOS Internals (who run this IRC channel) do not condone copyright violations, as copyright is the very basis upon which open source is possible. We will give one warning only regarding discussion about subverting or redistributing paid applications against the author's will. After that one warning, we will be kick-banning. Please consider the greater good for the whole community versus a couple of dollars savings for yourself. Oct 06 02:28:34 * rwhitby steps off the soap-box. Oct 06 02:28:47 "heh, just test new stuff with that kids checkers app, no one will care" Oct 06 02:29:04 Rofl Decimation, that made me laugh Oct 06 02:33:01 dBsooner: so, how are those patch screenshots going? Oct 06 02:33:13 rwhitby: very good Oct 06 02:33:20 rwhitby: I am adding them all quickly now Oct 06 02:33:29 We were having fun until rwhitby turned ops on us :( Oct 06 02:33:31 and we have META_VERSION = working Oct 06 02:33:42 checkers is gone now as well Oct 06 02:33:45 :) Oct 06 02:33:47 Hey all, I have a weird observation. my unpriveleged user account was not in the passwd file after the 1.2.1 update. Oct 06 02:33:57 so rebuild of same version ipk's works Oct 06 02:34:18 talsair, mine was not either Oct 06 02:34:28 I had to redo prior to ssh Oct 06 02:34:35 talsair: ah, good observation. so an update must have touched /etc/passwd Oct 06 02:34:37 who will make a patch for this: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Patch_Calendar_Snooze_Duration_Selection Oct 06 02:35:05 thats what I did. just rerunning the optware sh script fixes it. Oct 06 02:35:12 kesne: eh? what's the deal with checkers pro? Oct 06 02:35:23 It's gone now Oct 06 02:36:04 sadness Oct 06 02:36:06 it disappeared from the app catalog? Oct 06 02:36:15 i was JUST about to buy it, too Oct 06 02:36:23 any way over the app limit as of now? Oct 06 02:36:24 I still have it on my Pre Oct 06 02:36:28 typing in that expiration date, looked over here Oct 06 02:36:29 and was sad Oct 06 02:36:41 No nuke button yet o.O Oct 06 02:36:51 Sure Oil... sure... Oct 06 02:37:03 im not joking Oct 06 02:37:05 presane_: Abyssul pointed me at this little piece of gold: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Solution_to_App_Catalog_Installation_Limit Oct 06 02:37:24 Abyssul, careful they are a lil touchy on apps tonight Oct 06 02:37:27 hey has anyone tried the app stitcher podcast radio? Oct 06 02:37:35 I'm safe presane Oct 06 02:37:43 No Joe Oct 06 02:37:48 it's a quick little script that automates moving apps to and from /media/internal, and it works SLICK Oct 06 02:38:01 oh my Oct 06 02:38:07 Why hasnt someone made that a patch yet? Oct 06 02:38:08 :P Oct 06 02:38:12 https://twitter.com/palm/statuses/4645415711 Oct 06 02:38:27 I prefer just to edit the conf file and not use sys links Oct 06 02:39:13 hmm but sys links are a little more sound Oct 06 02:39:18 hey has anyone tried the app stitcher podcast radio? Oct 06 02:39:31 en0x: interesting Oct 06 02:39:33 Thats interesting en0x Oct 06 02:39:44 Source for this twitter.... Oct 06 02:39:55 Palm Oct 06 02:40:08 Oh lol Oct 06 02:40:16 I dont use twitter so I thought it was some random dude Oct 06 02:40:19 Which conference is this from anyways? Oct 06 02:41:04 yeah, what is this conference Oct 06 02:41:28 I heard nothing about it from Palm's press newswire... Oct 06 02:41:40 * oil opensources both his apps for the catalog so he doesn't have to pay for crap Oct 06 02:41:47 freakout: yeah, but they never tell you anything ;-) Oct 06 02:41:54 rwhitby: lol Oct 06 02:42:14 y'know, I pinged their new developer relations guys to guage interest in an interview last week Oct 06 02:42:23 No response. Not even "thanks, but no thanks" Oct 06 02:42:31 although galbraith is following me on Twitter now... Oct 06 02:45:20 Your ping is probably buried in inboxes at the moment Oct 06 02:45:38 http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/10/05/palm-free-apps-for-the-web-free-development-for-open-source-and-free-pres/ Oct 06 02:47:14 lmorchard: i figured, that's why I'm not complaining *too* loudly Oct 06 02:48:03 It sounds like those guys are shaking some things up thing Oct 06 02:48:09 er.. though Oct 06 02:48:37 ANYONE HERE WITH A WEBOS 1.1 PHONE? Oct 06 02:49:27 I have one available to me Oct 06 02:49:29 Really Kesne? You have 1.1? Oct 06 02:49:46 also I believe in order to solve this the appstore may need to be updated? no? Oct 06 02:49:52 presane_ would you mind testing something Oct 06 02:49:56 And I don't Oct 06 02:50:49 it wont be here till she is off work but yes I could Oct 06 02:51:08 hmm Oct 06 02:51:11 anyone else? Oct 06 02:51:37 hahaha Oct 06 02:51:39 epic https://twitter.com/BestAt/statuses/4645481453 Oct 06 02:51:40 Would someone like to test my theme (Flash of Black and Red) and provide some feedback? Oct 06 02:51:59 en0x: Including that person Oct 06 02:52:01 sorry, itll be a few hours. ill keep you posted Oct 06 02:52:13 Abyssul: :( Oct 06 02:52:49 look: I got all prepaired for nothing: http://keen-studios.net/ Oct 06 02:53:09 Pwned Oct 06 02:53:18 rwhitby: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/10/05/palm-free-apps-for-the-web-free-development-for-open-source-and-free-pres/ more here Oct 06 02:53:41 en0x: yep Oct 06 02:56:54 tell them u want a pre to develop for it maybe they will send it to u Oct 06 02:56:54 :) Oct 06 02:56:56 hehe Oct 06 02:57:04 and u will get one month free service Oct 06 02:57:04 :D Oct 06 02:57:14 en0x: I've already got one :-) Oct 06 02:57:20 yey Oct 06 02:57:26 managed to get enough money? Oct 06 02:57:27 :> Oct 06 02:57:38 en0x: yep, thanks to the community Oct 06 02:58:53 rwhitby: you have one, right now, in your posession? Oct 06 02:59:21 Oh ya, didn't they raise money in order to provide you a Pre? Oct 06 02:59:33 Decimate: indeed I do. Oct 06 02:59:37 how do you like your pre rwhitby? Oct 06 02:59:45 prtty much what you thought? Oct 06 02:59:45 rwhitby can i send you an email? Oct 06 02:59:52 :O rwhitby: i never even knew you got it :O Oct 06 02:59:54 or an sms =p **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Oct 06 02:59:58 2009