**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Oct 08 02:59:58 2009 Oct 08 03:00:02 right] Oct 08 03:00:10 i was telling rwhitby. Oct 08 03:00:14 There won't be any manul reabuilds Oct 08 03:00:22 s/manul/manual/ Oct 08 03:00:22 dBsooner meant: There won't be any manual reabuilds Oct 08 03:00:32 no fix for reabuilts? Oct 08 03:00:44 s/reabuilts/reabuilds/ Oct 08 03:00:44 oil meant: no fix for reabuilds? Oct 08 03:00:45 egaudet: so any autopatch directories without a Makefile should be deleted? Oct 08 03:01:07 s/reabuilds/rebuilds/ Oct 08 03:01:08 dBsooner meant: There won't be any manul rebuilds Oct 08 03:01:13 nice Oct 08 03:01:18 forget it Oct 08 03:01:21 lol Oct 08 03:01:22 ~botsnack Oct 08 03:01:22 :), dBsooner Oct 08 03:02:59 egaudet: blah.sh, foo, foobar, list ? Oct 08 03:03:26 rwhitby: where are you looking? Oct 08 03:03:34 autopatch dir Oct 08 03:03:37 k Oct 08 03:03:55 Yep, ask him. Oct 08 03:04:23 I'm sure those are files he used to convert everything... Oct 08 03:04:37 yep Oct 08 03:04:40 my.sh renames dir's Oct 08 03:04:40 ;) Oct 08 03:04:48 it can be deleted Oct 08 03:05:20 list = old list of patches Oct 08 03:05:26 before ewe renamed Oct 08 03:05:48 lol woops Oct 08 03:05:56 foobar looks like an ipkg info output Oct 08 03:05:59 rm em all Oct 08 03:06:34 can someone test the latest preware 0.9.3 for us? Oct 08 03:06:47 egaudet: can you git rm them and re-push ? Oct 08 03:06:49 * dBsooner has to submit two more tests Oct 08 03:06:50 I'm pushing the removal Oct 08 03:07:01 and then he'll download 0.9.3 Oct 08 03:07:10 I've turned the autobuilder off altogether for the moment Oct 08 03:07:14 done Oct 08 03:07:15 pushed Oct 08 03:07:56 egaudet: my.sh ? Oct 08 03:08:13 when I say tests.. i meant for nctijones.com Oct 08 03:08:13 my.sh is a renaming thing Oct 08 03:08:13 it can go Oct 08 03:08:59 anyone here a huge starwars fan? Oct 08 03:09:22 * oil hears crickets Oct 08 03:09:27 xD Oct 08 03:10:04 pushed Oct 08 03:10:08 egaudet: Makefile:15: warning: overriding commands for target `build/.built' on luna-keytoss-keyword-search - is that expected? Oct 08 03:10:15 yea Oct 08 03:10:36 keytoss has extra images Oct 08 03:11:13 take a look at http://simonz.co.hu/poster/ep123456/saga30-extended-credits.jpg Oct 08 03:11:17 new preware already? Oct 08 03:11:51 keywords* Oct 08 03:11:58 rwhitby: keywords Oct 08 03:12:01 let me fix and push Oct 08 03:12:08 Saw that properties->feeds has toggle switches for feeds, but they're non-functional. Oct 08 03:12:23 heisenman_zzz: try alpha test versions Oct 08 03:12:39 hmm Oct 08 03:12:41 I'll wait. Oct 08 03:12:51 need a tester? Oct 08 03:13:08 Managed to completely destroy my preware/ipkgservice install attempting to get filemgr to work yesterday. Oct 08 03:13:32 egaudet: org.webosinternals.patches.add-onscreen-keyboard ? Oct 08 03:13:42 anyone made a competing file manager yet? That thing is impossible to get working. Oct 08 03:13:44 ? Oct 08 03:13:51 org.webosinternals.patches.frameworks-smiley-faces-in-symbol-box Oct 08 03:13:59 should both be framework ? Oct 08 03:14:04 I'm afraid of changing the keyboard name Oct 08 03:14:09 rwhitby: the overridingis fine Oct 08 03:14:18 so many people have it Oct 08 03:14:18 egaudet: fair enough Oct 08 03:14:19 that's because he has a second build/.built Oct 08 03:14:25 egaudet loves helping people with keyboard problems Oct 08 03:14:38 it's what I look forward to every day oil! Oct 08 03:14:42 dBsooner: frameworks vs luna ? Oct 08 03:14:48 for org.webosinternals.patches.frameworks-smiley-faces-in-symbol-box Oct 08 03:15:00 rwhitby: I think you're right Oct 08 03:15:06 rwhitby: I think they should be moved to luna Oct 08 03:15:17 dBsooner: please fix and push Oct 08 03:15:20 k Oct 08 03:15:23 frameworks and luna are different Oct 08 03:15:25 no Oct 08 03:15:28 no Oct 08 03:15:49 the framework and the luna ui are 2 different things Oct 08 03:16:01 needs moar icons Oct 08 03:16:04 hmm Oct 08 03:16:28 so it should stay in "framework"andnot "frameworks"? Oct 08 03:16:57 frameworks Oct 08 03:17:01 /usr/palm/frameworks/ Oct 08 03:17:17 not mojo, for /usr/palm/frameworks/mojo ? Oct 08 03:17:32 ok Oct 08 03:17:38 egaudet: your call Oct 08 03:17:41 something looks different about the first updating screen oil? Oct 08 03:17:45 I would say mojo Oct 08 03:18:02 because its "Mojo framwork" Oct 08 03:18:52 mojo is right Oct 08 03:18:59 mojo is the package Oct 08 03:19:05 i'll rename it Oct 08 03:19:15 ive already done it Oct 08 03:19:29 but I will clean and pull if you want to do it.. Oct 08 03:19:36 push Oct 08 03:19:38 if you did it Oct 08 03:19:41 yep Oct 08 03:21:01 waiting Oct 08 03:21:32 * oil could make some moar icons Oct 08 03:22:51 pushed on both Oct 08 03:22:55 I had to push both egaudet Oct 08 03:23:15 retag Oct 08 03:23:19 mod Oct 08 03:23:28 retagging as 0.5.0 Oct 08 03:23:39 category for mojo is wrong Oct 08 03:23:46 huh? Oct 08 03:23:52 oh yeah Oct 08 03:25:06 fixed Oct 08 03:25:48 Changed keyboard to Mojo category Oct 08 03:26:10 dBsooner, retag? Oct 08 03:26:25 s/retag/did you retag Oct 08 03:27:14 cretagged Oct 08 03:27:28 s/cretagged/re-tagged on mods v0.5.0/ Oct 08 03:27:28 dBsooner meant: re-tagged on mods v0.5.0 Oct 08 03:28:13 somethings wrong with mojo. Oct 08 03:28:17 tag with 0.5.1 Oct 08 03:28:27 i don't think egaudet retagged Oct 08 03:28:32 after he pushed vkb Oct 08 03:28:45 what Oct 08 03:28:50 remove the download Oct 08 03:28:56 ? Oct 08 03:28:56 retagged what Oct 08 03:29:10 now you're all confusing me Oct 08 03:29:14 did you git tag -f v0.5.0 on modificatios and git push --tags Oct 08 03:29:18 yes Oct 08 03:29:20 after changing smiley face Oct 08 03:29:22 yes Oct 08 03:29:26 * dBsooner isn't THAT new. ;) Oct 08 03:29:41 ok now it's fixed Oct 08 03:29:57 how did you know? Oct 08 03:30:20 try to make Oct 08 03:30:27 ohh Oct 08 03:30:33 * dBsooner isn't on linux right now Oct 08 03:30:34 ;) Oct 08 03:31:03 i guess I could install gnu make into cygwin Oct 08 03:31:40 egaudet: there's something wrong with the unpack - first time through it creates the tarball from the git checkout, but doesn't untar into build/src Oct 08 03:31:47 next time it runs it's fine Oct 08 03:31:56 it did that yesterday too Oct 08 03:31:58 or the other day Oct 08 03:32:00 do we have a correct tag yet? Oct 08 03:32:06 0.5.0 is correct Oct 08 03:32:10 rwhitby, we did that the other day Oct 08 03:32:27 remember when you helped me push that new tag for flare Oct 08 03:32:39 it faield first time through then built fine second time Oct 08 03:33:16 hmm Oct 08 03:33:22 does it do that for every patch? Oct 08 03:33:34 just the first time a new tarball is created for modifications Oct 08 03:33:38 we can deal with that later Oct 08 03:33:42 k Oct 08 03:33:46 but everything built? Oct 08 03:34:31 * oil made more icons Oct 08 03:34:35 woohooo Oct 08 03:34:38 Luna? Oct 08 03:34:38 idk what to do for "top bar" icons Oct 08 03:34:38 :D Oct 08 03:34:44 besides a black line? Oct 08 03:34:45 really Oct 08 03:34:56 Just make a Luna icon Oct 08 03:35:02 no need for "black bar". ;) Oct 08 03:35:02 a moon? Oct 08 03:35:06 Yeah Oct 08 03:35:11 let me find you something Oct 08 03:35:12 needs more than a moon Oct 08 03:35:12 oen sec Oct 08 03:35:16 so what icons did you make more Oct 08 03:35:28 one with a smile on it Oct 08 03:35:33 one with a battery pic and a % sign Oct 08 03:35:38 one thats just a % icon Oct 08 03:35:42 one thats -4% Oct 08 03:35:49 and one for pdfviewer Oct 08 03:36:16 I thought we were just doing icosn for categories? :D Oct 08 03:36:27 rwhitby, gonna send the Packages file to Jason Oct 08 03:36:28 ? Oct 08 03:36:36 the others were all specific to apps Oct 08 03:36:38 these werent Oct 08 03:36:41 egaudet: ok, who do we need to coordinate with now? as long as we leave the old ipkg files in the feed (but not in the Packages file) what will break? Oct 08 03:36:45 ahh Oct 08 03:37:00 preload would break Oct 08 03:37:05 wait, no it wouldn't Oct 08 03:37:09 rwhitby, Jason told me he checks the Packages file for certain "Description" fields I believe Oct 08 03:37:12 it uses the packages file Oct 08 03:37:18 hmm, fileCoaster broke on me. Oct 08 03:37:22 that he uses in his "tweaks" section Oct 08 03:37:25 Filecoaster? Oct 08 03:37:27 what's tthat? Oct 08 03:37:42 we have to add maintainers Oct 08 03:37:44 didn't do that yet Oct 08 03:37:47 it installs homebrew apps Oct 08 03:38:03 We can do that later and use META_VERSION Oct 08 03:38:06 to rebuild Oct 08 03:38:23 LurkerXXX____: ahhh.. Cool. PreWare btw... Oct 08 03:38:53 dBsooner, 3/5, B+, would watch troll again Oct 08 03:38:57 I have that as well Oct 08 03:43:37 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Icons#Patch_Icons Oct 08 03:44:32 awesome Oct 08 03:44:34 thanks oil Oct 08 03:44:36 ! Oct 08 03:44:40 oil, i like Oct 08 03:44:54 As soon as rwhitby gives me the go ahead, I'll modify the Makefile's Oct 08 03:45:04 I'd like to add an icon, a couple screenshots, and some more text to the description for the KeyToss patch. Is this something I can do myself? I have access on gitorious, but not sure about git.webos-internals.org... (btw, icon and screenshot aren't ready at the moment) Oct 08 03:45:31 anyone know how to remove a theme? installed from preware? Oct 08 03:45:42 you can't do any of that yourself samk1 Oct 08 03:45:52 JenP: go into isntalled packages Oct 08 03:45:54 in prewaqre Oct 08 03:45:55 ;) Oct 08 03:46:02 er, okay. Oct 08 03:46:15 samk1: I added a screenshot Oct 08 03:46:22 samk1: the description you can send to me Oct 08 03:46:31 and icon.. well.. ok Oct 08 03:46:45 Probably will use the Luna icon for now Oct 08 03:47:18 thanks. I mean no offense when I say that the hand in the screenshot creeped me out... Oct 08 03:47:45 and the patch also affects the browser, so I was thinking of adding a screenshot for that if possible Oct 08 03:47:51 huh? Oct 08 03:47:54 the hand in the screenshot? Oct 08 03:48:13 there's like this ghostly hand under the image Oct 08 03:48:24 your background Oct 08 03:48:29 ahhh Oct 08 03:48:30 lol Oct 08 03:48:36 its a digital hand Oct 08 03:48:36 hm, didn't notice that 1.2.1 was out.. installing now :D Oct 08 03:48:36 ;) Oct 08 03:48:43 thanks guys! Oct 08 03:48:56 np JenP. Oct 08 03:49:18 PalmPre's on so you think you can dance Oct 08 03:49:55 awesome Oct 08 03:49:57 dBsooner: hold off on any build repo changes - we're doing something. you can do META_VERSION later Oct 08 03:50:04 I know Oct 08 03:50:17 bye all thanks again! Oct 08 03:50:23 since the keytoss patch affects both Luna and the Browser... would you object to categorizing it with the browser patches? Oct 08 03:50:44 s/I know/rwhitby: I know. I was planning on META_VERSION later.. No wonder you two are so quiet. You two are working on something secret./ Oct 08 03:50:44 dBsooner meant: rwhitby: I know. I was planning on META_VERSION later.. No wonder you two are so quiet. You two are working on something secret. Oct 08 03:50:55 it's more intuitive since it launches a browser search Oct 08 03:51:16 samk1: no it should stay in luna as it was intended as global search before browser Oct 08 03:51:47 it's also a search inside the browser as well. it patches the search helper in the browser app Oct 08 03:52:14 plus it does a lot more to luna than it does browser Oct 08 03:52:24 it just adds a search ref in browser url box Oct 08 03:52:37 but it changes a ton more to luna Oct 08 03:53:12 ok. just not sure that any non-developers know what Luna is Oct 08 03:53:18 Search could be it's own category Oct 08 03:53:34 It could.. Oct 08 03:53:37 I agree that Luna is very mysterious to users Oct 08 03:53:50 It is.. Oct 08 03:53:51 egaudet, that'd be good... Oct 08 03:53:53 Keytoss is better served elsewhere Oct 08 03:54:13 But then again, it could get really clutterred if we started making categories for the things in luna. ;) Oct 08 03:54:19 "top bar" ? Oct 08 03:54:38 "battery percents" Oct 08 03:54:43 I'm not saying all things from Luna Oct 08 03:55:26 but we could categorize those a little better Oct 08 03:55:41 well that's a decisin that needs to be made.. now Oct 08 03:55:43 actually everything except quiet powerd could go into "Top Bar" Oct 08 03:55:51 because that affects the patch ipk name Oct 08 03:55:52 and keytoss into "Global Search" or "Search" Oct 08 03:56:03 dBsooner, now is the time to do it if we do it Oct 08 03:56:08 That's what I said Oct 08 03:56:22 "Searching" Oct 08 03:56:23 thats what she said Oct 08 03:56:25 Search could be misled Oct 08 03:56:42 or "Searches" Oct 08 03:56:50 misled? Oct 08 03:57:02 Someone might go to 'search' thinking its to 'search' Oct 08 03:57:03 lol Oct 08 03:57:08 ah Oct 08 03:58:06 egaudet: just let me know. I can't do it till you and rwhitby give the go ahead Oct 08 03:58:17 brb.. putting kids clothes in washer. Oct 08 03:58:24 dBsooner: maybe watch a movie ;-) Oct 08 03:58:30 WHAT? Oct 08 03:58:34 I have to sleep sometimes. Oct 08 03:58:38 somtime* Oct 08 03:58:49 forget it Oct 08 04:01:34 :( Oct 08 04:02:29 luna renames? Oct 08 04:02:30 ? Oct 08 04:02:41 rwhitby is doing something Oct 08 04:02:44 and won't let me touch anything Oct 08 04:03:08 * zsoc touches all your files Oct 08 04:04:27 samk1, Oct 08 04:04:32 Global Search category Oct 08 04:04:35 DBSooner: re the description... a comment was added to search the internet... I'd like to replace that: "This will install the KeyToss keyword-powered search tool to Universal Search and to the browser URL search. Type "k list" for a list of keywords." Oct 08 04:04:37 for keytoss, sound right? Oct 08 04:04:39 egaudet: dBsooner: build.git available again Oct 08 04:05:03 I think it's technically Universal Search according to Palm parlance... Oct 08 04:05:17 Are there other search patches? Oct 08 04:05:28 ok Universal Search sounds good to me, dBsooner rwhitby oil? Oct 08 04:05:31 Universal Search it is Oct 08 04:05:39 ok Universal Search Oct 08 04:05:40 and Top Bar Oct 08 04:05:42 no more Luna Oct 08 04:05:43 k Oct 08 04:05:46 cool Oct 08 04:05:47 I'll make the chagnes now Oct 08 04:05:50 bye bye Luna, send someone else to the moon Oct 08 04:05:51 thanks Oct 08 04:06:02 dBsooner, you taking care of mod and build repos? Oct 08 04:06:02 sorry oil for making you make the luna icon Oct 08 04:06:06 ;) Oct 08 04:06:10 egaudet yep Oct 08 04:06:30 so we need a search and top bar icon Oct 08 04:06:32 samk1, I am ok with that description. You egaudet? Oct 08 04:06:33 :ahem: Oct 08 04:06:42 descriptions are 100% up to the maintainer IMO Oct 08 04:06:50 unless it's offensive or exceedingly long Oct 08 04:06:53 i know and we aren't maintainer Oct 08 04:07:01 right samk is Oct 08 04:07:03 And since I wrote it Oct 08 04:07:05 so what he says goes Oct 08 04:07:09 the descript Oct 08 04:07:15 he gets to call it Oct 08 04:07:22 done and done.. off to fix builds Oct 08 04:07:25 will maintainers have access to the makefiles in the future? Oct 08 04:07:49 samk1: that would be up to rwhitby. And honestly, I don't know if I like the diea of it. ;) Oct 08 04:08:02 seeing how a patch can do just about anything it wants Oct 08 04:08:17 there has to be some sort of policing.. be it very minimal as it is. Oct 08 04:08:25 ok, no prob. just don't like to bother you guys for things like this Oct 08 04:08:29 open source eyes will police things Oct 08 04:08:46 samk1: for the moment, bother us. in the medium term that may change as things solidify Oct 08 04:08:52 if we moved the build script to its own area away from the main builds (of Preware, pkg service, etc) it might be better. Oct 08 04:09:23 egaudet: I'll make the renames real quick if you want to start working on the icon changes? Oct 08 04:09:51 so all build.git changes for me? Oct 08 04:10:00 lol Oct 08 04:10:00 no Oct 08 04:10:04 you can git pull the renames Oct 08 04:10:04 ;) Oct 08 04:10:09 just don't start in luna Oct 08 04:10:09 lol Oct 08 04:10:14 well then if you rename it under me it will cause issues if i start changing icons now Oct 08 04:10:25 dont' start in luna Oct 08 04:10:32 im not touching anything but luna Oct 08 04:10:34 dBsooner: do you want to start testing the ones in the testing feed now? Oct 08 04:10:35 icons update for everything? Oct 08 04:10:42 and egaudet update the Makefiles ? Oct 08 04:10:59 rwhitby: now as in after we go public, sure. ;) Oct 08 04:11:15 dBsooner: no, I mean right now Oct 08 04:11:17 lol Oct 08 04:11:20 RIGHT DAMN NOW? Oct 08 04:11:41 oil can you link me to the new icons Oct 08 04:11:51 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Icons#Patch_Icons Oct 08 04:11:52 i did Oct 08 04:11:52 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Icons#Patch_Icons Oct 08 04:11:59 * dBsooner <---- WINNER! Oct 08 04:12:02 its the obvious new ones Oct 08 04:12:08 and the pdfviewer Oct 08 04:12:19 (i put them in alphabetical order) Oct 08 04:12:23 so they're not just at the end Oct 08 04:12:26 -4% for? Oct 08 04:12:31 actualpercent Oct 08 04:12:37 i knew that Oct 08 04:12:38 sheesh Oct 08 04:12:44 since its really just 4% too high Oct 08 04:12:47 dBsooner: http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-patches/testing/all/ Oct 08 04:13:04 are the renames done Oct 08 04:13:08 so i can update them Oct 08 04:13:14 rwhitby: cool Oct 08 04:13:23 rwhitby give me just a sec Oct 08 04:13:25 * egaudet renaming and updating build.git Oct 08 04:13:29 egaudet: working on it.. Oct 08 04:13:34 meanwhile, the precentral feed has an xml parsing error Oct 08 04:13:36 egaudet: you get all of build.git Oct 08 04:13:46 yea I'll just do it one fell swoop Oct 08 04:14:13 egaudet: luna-add-date-to-top-bar.patch is now top-bar-add-date.patch Oct 08 04:14:22 and top-bar-add-date-no-year.patch Oct 08 04:14:28 so youll need to rename the TITLE too Oct 08 04:14:31 yea Oct 08 04:14:37 k Oct 08 04:14:43 quiet powerd can stay luna right? Oct 08 04:14:44 just making sure we were on the same page Oct 08 04:14:46 so we'll keep the moon icon Oct 08 04:14:49 lol Oct 08 04:14:50 sure Oct 08 04:15:03 How about services? Oct 08 04:15:08 putting it in services Oct 08 04:15:15 "powerd" Oct 08 04:17:03 i had no clue for that one Oct 08 04:17:04 lol Oct 08 04:17:13 phone-radio-toggle goes to top bar? Oct 08 04:17:55 oh, I didn't realise we were doing more than just the CATEGORY in the Makefile Oct 08 04:17:55 % icon for battery percent as icon and battery percent and icon? Oct 08 04:18:00 yea dBsooner Oct 08 04:18:05 do we really want to rename all the files? Oct 08 04:18:41 no Oct 08 04:18:45 no % sign Oct 08 04:18:49 spell it out Oct 08 04:18:50 rwhitby, I thought that was the point? Oct 08 04:18:54 special chars can get ugly Oct 08 04:19:11 egaudet: dunno - you guys make the call. I can work with either Oct 08 04:19:18 I like renaming. Oct 08 04:19:20 dBsooner, what are you talking about? Oct 08 04:19:23 (Bcause it's done) Oct 08 04:19:24 I said icon Oct 08 04:19:25 and have no real preference myslef Oct 08 04:19:29 s/said/meant Oct 08 04:19:35 oh.. Oct 08 04:19:42 oil's percent icon should it be for both battery patches Oct 08 04:19:49 percent AS as well as percent AND Oct 08 04:19:52 yeah, % icon Oct 08 04:20:15 rwhitby, well I like the rename just because before we had packges like org.webosinternals.patches.state Oct 08 04:20:40 with a strict naming convention we can ensure future patches avoid name collisions etc... Oct 08 04:20:44 egaudet: oh, I love that renaming Oct 08 04:20:50 I mean just the final luna ones Oct 08 04:20:57 not following Oct 08 04:21:09 it's done. ;) so don't complain Oct 08 04:21:15 oh you mean not renaming luna to top-bar Oct 08 04:21:19 right Oct 08 04:21:34 well the patch name convention is - Oct 08 04:21:50 <dBsooner> Quiet powerd messages... What about "Services" <category>? Oct 08 04:21:59 <rwhitby> yep, I'm abivalent, so go with what you guys think is best Oct 08 04:22:17 <dBsooner> I agree with the idea of "Luna" being not well known to non-devs. Oct 08 04:22:31 <dBsooner> s/being not/not being/ Oct 08 04:22:32 <infobot> dBsooner meant: I agree with the idea of "Luna" not being well known to non-devs. Oct 08 04:23:05 <dBsooner> ~botsnack Oct 08 04:23:05 <infobot> thanks, dBsooner Oct 08 04:23:28 * dBsooner pats infobot on it's cd-rom drive. Oct 08 04:23:46 <dBsooner> So.. yes or no.. powerd messages being moved.. Oct 08 04:25:12 <egaudet> dBsooner, Oct 08 04:25:15 <egaudet> keytoss rename? Oct 08 04:25:29 <egaudet> universal-search-keytoss-keyword-search ? Oct 08 04:25:43 <dBsooner> yes Oct 08 04:25:51 <dBsooner> in the universal-search/ dir Oct 08 04:25:56 <PuffTheMagic> this patch shit is never gonna end is it Oct 08 04:25:59 <egaudet> quiet powerd maybe Miscellaneous? Oct 08 04:26:08 <dBsooner> hmm Oct 08 04:26:14 <dBsooner> Abbreviated of course.. Oct 08 04:26:17 <PuffTheMagic> you are gonan spend so much time getting it all the way you want that you will never look into donkey punching Oct 08 04:26:17 <dBsooner> rwhitby: your idea? Oct 08 04:26:20 <dBsooner> oil? Oct 08 04:26:21 <PuffTheMagic> s/donkey/duck/ Oct 08 04:26:21 <PuffTheMagic> :D Oct 08 04:26:22 <infobot> PuffTheMagic meant: you are gonan spend so much time getting it all the way you want that you will never look into duck punching Oct 08 04:26:36 <egaudet> did samk have an icon? Oct 08 04:26:42 <egaudet> or do we have a uni search icon? Oct 08 04:27:01 <samk1> i could make one... just need specs Oct 08 04:27:05 <rwhitby> PuffTheMagic: even duck punching patches need good user-friendly names Oct 08 04:27:35 <PuffTheMagic> rwhitby: i just mean egaudet will never abandon these patches to start working on something else Oct 08 04:27:57 <rwhitby> PuffTheMagic: that's why we hired dBsooner, so egaudet can work on the next generation technology Oct 08 04:28:16 <dBsooner> rwhitby: Your idea on "powerd messages" being in <category>? I proposed a "services" and egaudet proposed "Misc" Oct 08 04:28:53 <oil> ohh Oct 08 04:28:56 <egaudet> I dont care either way Oct 08 04:28:56 <oil> more apps in the catalog Oct 08 04:29:08 <oil> two "pic hunt" apps Oct 08 04:29:11 <oil> for 99 cents Oct 08 04:29:32 <egaudet> dBsooner, decide Oct 08 04:29:43 <samk1> "System" category? just a suggestion... Oct 08 04:29:53 <dBsooner> rwhitby: Would you consider your meta-doc a patch? (Ronbo2000 @ PC.net wants me to compile a list of threads to move to the new "patches" sub-forum). Oct 08 04:30:01 <dBsooner> I like Misc. Oct 08 04:30:08 <PuffTheMagic> im gonna change 49.99 for my 4chan app Oct 08 04:30:09 <PuffTheMagic> :D Oct 08 04:30:13 <rwhitby> dBsooner: no, meta-doctor is not a patch Oct 08 04:30:13 <dBsooner> We need a category for stuff to go to when it just don't fit Oct 08 04:30:15 <egaudet> misc-quiet-powerd-messages Oct 08 04:30:17 <egaudet> Misc category Oct 08 04:30:26 <dBsooner> you used the word "patch" loosely in your descirption OP then. Oct 08 04:30:35 <dBsooner> done Oct 08 04:30:41 <egaudet> and we need a misc icon Oct 08 04:30:51 <egaudet> bunch of loose change, or odds and ends or something Oct 08 04:30:57 <rwhitby> dBsooner: it's not a webOS patch as such Oct 08 04:30:58 <dBsooner> what about those two cpuscaling patches left in luna? Oct 08 04:31:09 <dBsooner> leaving them leaves luna dir Oct 08 04:31:15 <dBsooner> if I rm them, they go away.. Oct 08 04:31:21 <PuffTheMagic> rwhitby: you should add a banner to your precentral avitar that says (Not by Jason) Oct 08 04:31:28 <dBsooner> s/they go/luna goes/ Oct 08 04:31:28 <infobot> dBsooner meant: if I rm them, luna goes away.. Oct 08 04:31:38 <dBsooner> HAHAHAHA Oct 08 04:31:48 <dBsooner> I would SOOO vote for that. Oct 08 04:32:08 <PuffTheMagic> oil: and you should add that to the Preware slogans Oct 08 04:32:21 <egaudet> dBsooner, move them to Misc Oct 08 04:32:24 <egaudet> misc Oct 08 04:32:25 <rwhitby> PuffTheMagic: that's joke getting old now. Jason is adversely affected by this as much as anyone, since he gets all these support requests for stuff he didn't do and never said he did. Oct 08 04:32:27 <oil> just like that Oct 08 04:32:30 <oil> (not by jason) Oct 08 04:32:35 <oil> lol Oct 08 04:32:41 <zsoc> Ha Oct 08 04:32:43 <dBsooner> done Oct 08 04:32:51 <dBsooner> pushing and retagging Oct 08 04:32:53 <dBsooner> 10-4? Oct 08 04:32:56 <PuffTheMagic> rwhitby: its not old just yet Oct 08 04:33:08 <rwhitby> I'm over it, personally. Oct 08 04:33:18 * zsoc is still amused, but then again, he was always a little slow Oct 08 04:33:23 <oil> till the next time someone writes an article and is like Oct 08 04:33:30 <oil> "jason does a great job on preware, you should donate" Oct 08 04:33:36 <PuffTheMagic> lol Oct 08 04:33:42 <dBsooner> egaudet: pushing and retagging, ok? Oct 08 04:34:08 <egaudet> rwhitby, not using Makefile in autopatch/ dir right? Oct 08 04:34:16 <egaudet> dBsooner, yea Oct 08 04:34:18 <dBsooner> k Oct 08 04:34:29 <rwhitby> egaudet: autopatch dir hasn't changed Oct 08 04:34:34 <samk1> should i still be making an icon? Oct 08 04:34:48 <egaudet> rwhitby, I mean you are not using that Makefile that is in the base of autopatch directory right? Oct 08 04:35:01 <rwhitby> egaudet: dunno Oct 08 04:35:05 <egaudet> i will git rm (i added it for testing locally, accidental commit i think) Oct 08 04:35:10 <rwhitby> ok Oct 08 04:35:18 <egaudet> oil should be making an icon Oct 08 04:35:23 <egaudet> for uni search! Oct 08 04:35:26 <samk1> ok Oct 08 04:35:28 <egaudet> but Oct 08 04:35:32 <rwhitby> egaudet: git rm the patches dir while you're there Oct 08 04:35:33 <oil> am i? Oct 08 04:35:35 <egaudet> you can make a keytoss specific icon if you want that Oct 08 04:35:41 <samk1> ok Oct 08 04:35:47 <egaudet> it's your control while I sit here and have de ja vu Oct 08 04:35:49 <egaudet> and it keeps going Oct 08 04:35:51 <egaudet> wow stop! Oct 08 04:35:56 <egaudet> now you all laugh at me Oct 08 04:36:03 <dBsooner> egaudet: done Oct 08 04:36:12 <oil> samk1: use the small patch icon from here http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Icons#Small_Icons Oct 08 04:36:16 <oil> in the bottom right corner Oct 08 04:36:43 <samk1> oil: thanks Oct 08 04:36:58 <dBsooner> rwhitby: ok.. I am running EPR and going to start installing all the testing ipk's Oct 08 04:37:05 <samk1> I guess the standard is that patch icons are in gray and white? Oct 08 04:37:06 <dBsooner> BTW.. I thought of an Idea last night. Oct 08 04:37:21 <dBsooner> Can we add a "CONFLICTS_WITH" metatag? Oct 08 04:37:32 <egaudet> in a generic sense samk, but I think if you have a fit for your specific patch you could do whatever you want Oct 08 04:37:35 <egaudet> I don't know how others feel Oct 08 04:38:01 <samk1> if i have a fit? Oct 08 04:38:10 <hmagoo> dBsooner: interesting, why haven't they just moved the obvious patch threads there? Oct 08 04:38:11 <dBsooner> so if you try to install 5x4 icons but you already have 4x4, it will give you a message saying it "Conflicts with" 4x4 that is currenlty installed. Oct 08 04:38:12 <egaudet> dBsooner, a day late and a dollar short. conflicts will be added once preware supports conflicts Oct 08 04:38:30 <dBsooner> hmagoo: because they think i don't have a day job and don't ever sleep. Oct 08 04:38:44 <egaudet> :P but yea dBsooner I think we want to have the service pop up a confirmation as well for conflicts Oct 08 04:38:48 <egaudet> but that is down the line Oct 08 04:38:54 <dBsooner> Gotcha. Oct 08 04:39:03 <dBsooner> hmagoo: would you mind helping? ;) Oct 08 04:39:12 <rwhitby> Can someone look at http://www.precentral.net/precentral-ipkg-feed.xml and tell me what is malformed about it? Oct 08 04:39:19 <hmagoo> want me to search for patch? heh Oct 08 04:39:39 <rwhitby> dBsooner: there is already a CONFLICTS variable that can be set in the Makefile Oct 08 04:39:45 <dBsooner> rwhitby: you can't have an & Oct 08 04:39:47 <egaudet> line number 2749 coumn 32. Oct 08 04:40:00 <hmagoo> dbsooner, where did they ask for list of threads? Oct 08 04:40:08 <samk1> it's the ampersand Oct 08 04:40:10 <dBsooner> hmagoo: Ronbo2000 called me Oct 08 04:40:11 <egaudet> rwhitby, conflicts works? Oct 08 04:40:18 <rwhitby> egaudet: which package? Oct 08 04:40:35 <samk1> re xml... should be something like & Oct 08 04:40:40 <egaudet> SHOUT cast & Local Radio Oct 08 04:40:44 <dBsooner> yes, that is on PRECENTRAL though Oct 08 04:40:45 <dBsooner> not us Oct 08 04:40:47 <zsoc> & symbol is a nono Oct 08 04:40:47 <egaudet> Idunno that's what me firefox says Oct 08 04:40:53 <dBsooner> hang on Oct 08 04:40:55 <dBsooner> i'll tell you which one Oct 08 04:40:59 <rwhitby> egaudet: gotcha Oct 08 04:41:49 <zsoc> & is correct Oct 08 04:41:59 <dBsooner> i know, they are putting & instead of & Oct 08 04:42:04 <dBsooner> \that is not our problem Oct 08 04:42:08 <dBsooner> let me tell you which package Oct 08 04:42:15 <zsoc> then nix their malformed package ;) Oct 08 04:42:52 <hmagoo> is this what is causing the "This is a webOS Application."? Oct 08 04:42:57 <oil> 1.2 SDK Oct 08 04:43:28 <egaudet> ok so keytoss, powerd, and date to top bar need icons Oct 08 04:43:35 <egaudet> before the final stamp Oct 08 04:47:00 <egaudet> :sigh: themes touching files outside of autopatch scope is unfortunate Oct 08 04:47:16 <dBsooner> ? Oct 08 04:47:32 <rwhitby> egaudet: prethemer themes? Oct 08 04:47:36 <egaudet> yea Oct 08 04:47:46 <dBsooner> rwhitby: http://www.precentral.net/sites/precentral.net/files/webos-homebrew-apps/feeds/net.net2streams.beta_1.3.0_all.ipk Oct 08 04:47:58 <rwhitby> dBsooner: yes? Oct 08 04:48:03 <dBsooner> that's the package Oct 08 04:48:08 <dBsooner> you said what package was causing it Oct 08 04:48:10 <hmagoo> "Show Actual Battery Percent" the description and screenshot make one believe that this changes appearances in the top bar. does it? Oct 08 04:48:17 <rwhitby> dBsooner: thx - already fixed the script Oct 08 04:48:20 <egaudet> I THINK Jason's new theme builder is going to do patches but I don't kjnow how because he won't use ipk for themes Oct 08 04:48:22 <dBsooner> pffty Oct 08 04:48:31 <egaudet> s/won't/doesn't want to Oct 08 04:48:47 <dBsooner> who maintains the ipks? Oct 08 04:48:52 <dBsooner> on precentral Oct 08 04:48:56 <egaudet> hmagoo, no it doesn't Oct 08 04:49:07 <rwhitby> dBsooner: individual authors Oct 08 04:49:12 <dBsooner> ahh Oct 08 04:49:24 <dBsooner> well whoever made the script to make the xml needs to add a replacement for & to & Oct 08 04:49:29 <dBsooner> special_chars() Oct 08 04:49:35 <dBsooner> html_special_chars() Oct 08 04:49:37 <egaudet> dBsooner, http://www.webos-internals.org/images/9/9a/Show-actual-battery-percent.png Oct 08 04:49:56 <dBsooner> what about it? Oct 08 04:50:07 <egaudet> show actual battery percent does not do that...? Oct 08 04:50:13 <dBsooner> not really Oct 08 04:50:26 <dBsooner> but makes the phone report percents better Oct 08 04:50:31 <egaudet> right Oct 08 04:50:35 <egaudet> but that screenshot is very misleading Oct 08 04:50:37 <dBsooner> but how else do I show that? Oct 08 04:50:40 <psykoz> show actual is the non adjusted patch iirc Oct 08 04:50:51 <psykoz> dBsooner, Show Battery Percent instead of Icon patch Oct 08 04:50:59 <egaudet> take a snapshot of the device menu Oct 08 04:51:07 <dBsooner> mmk Oct 08 04:51:11 <dBsooner> so get on it Oct 08 04:51:12 <dBsooner> ;) Oct 08 04:51:14 <dBsooner> lol Oct 08 04:51:17 <egaudet> and they can read the description Oct 08 04:51:23 <hmagoo> why do they have the UI percent anyways? so you see 100% when it is charged? Oct 08 04:51:28 <dBsooner> i can't screenshot it because mine doesn't install Oct 08 04:51:48 <hmagoo> dbsooner, heh, just take a screenshot of yours, doesn't matter Oct 08 04:51:51 <psykoz> I prefer UI percent over battery that is misleading or less informing Oct 08 04:51:57 <dBsooner> i saw mine count down from 100-99-98-97 etc today Oct 08 04:52:27 <dBsooner> i gotta start testing these ipks for rwhitby Oct 08 04:52:37 <dBsooner> someone else is on screenshot/image duty Oct 08 04:52:40 <oil> you still see it count down Oct 08 04:52:42 * dBsooner points at egaudet. Oct 08 04:52:50 <oil> but 100% is 100-96% Oct 08 04:53:01 <egaudet> dBsooner, you don't need to install it Oct 08 04:53:07 <dBsooner> i don't have time Oct 08 04:53:08 <dBsooner> ;) Oct 08 04:53:13 <dBsooner> I have 100 patches to inswtall Oct 08 04:53:13 <dBsooner> and test Oct 08 04:53:25 <dBsooner> per rwhitby Oct 08 04:53:57 <egaudet> http://www.webos-internals.org/images/a/ae/.Show-actual-battery-percent.png Oct 08 04:54:08 <egaudet> damnit Oct 08 04:54:11 <egaudet> I have the phone patc hinstalled Oct 08 04:54:12 <egaudet> arg Oct 08 04:54:23 <dBsooner> lol Oct 08 04:54:52 <tgies> hey quick question, where does conversation history get stored Oct 08 04:54:57 <dBsooner> egaudet: just overwrite the one on my upload Oct 08 04:55:04 <tgies> i want to back mine up, to whatever extent this is possible Oct 08 04:55:29 <hmagoo> heh, if you're fixing that screenshot, might as well let the battery go beliw 100% as I don't think actual percent ever shows that, maybe it has, don't remember. Oct 08 04:55:46 <dBsooner> brb Oct 08 04:56:03 <egaudet> How do i overwrite yours Oct 08 04:56:14 <dBsooner> go to the image Oct 08 04:56:23 <dBsooner> hang on, i'll get you the actual wiki page Oct 08 04:56:54 <dBsooner> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Image:Show-actual-battery-percent.png Oct 08 04:57:04 <dBsooner> btw.. rwhitby wants the screenshot to have preware in foreground Oct 08 04:57:20 <dBsooner> but I guess you can't do that and get device menu Oct 08 04:57:21 <dBsooner> lol Oct 08 04:57:38 <dBsooner> on that wiki page is "Upload a new version of this file." Oct 08 04:58:41 <phiqtion> sup ppl Oct 08 04:59:15 <geist> nm Oct 08 05:00:25 <egaudet> http://www.webos-internals.org/images/9/9a/Show-actual-battery-percent.png Oct 08 05:01:12 <egaudet> ok so keytoss, powerd, and date to top bar need icons Oct 08 05:01:13 <egaudet> ok so keytoss, powerd, and date to top bar need icons Oct 08 05:03:35 <samk1> egaudet, you mean right now? Oct 08 05:03:50 <egaudet> mmhmm Oct 08 05:04:05 <samk1> i just got illustrator open... :) Oct 08 05:04:12 <rwhitby> egaudet: can you push with all the name changes done? Oct 08 05:04:12 <egaudet> :D Oct 08 05:04:55 <rwhitby> egaudet: then we can populate the feeds, and start alpha testing, and do meta updates along the way Oct 08 05:05:26 <egaudet> done Oct 08 05:05:58 <rwhitby> egaudet: is luna-* the only ones that changed name? Oct 08 05:06:27 <egaudet> yea Oct 08 05:06:33 <egaudet> on this push Oct 08 05:08:04 <rwhitby> retag of 0.5.0 needed? Oct 08 05:08:06 <rwhitby> cannot stat `build/src//top-bar/top-bar-add-date-to-top-bar-no-year.patch Oct 08 05:08:30 <rwhitby> -rw-r--r-- preware/preware 821 2009-10-08 05:06 ./top-bar/top-bar-add-date-no-year.patch Oct 08 05:09:02 <egaudet> I'll update bulid repo to mtch the mods Oct 08 05:09:10 <egaudet> dont need double top-bar in name (which I have now) Oct 08 05:09:15 <egaudet> dBsooner, fixed it right Oct 08 05:09:34 <egaudet> err actually Oct 08 05:10:06 <egaudet> i'll change it to top-bar-add-date-mm-dd and top-bar-add-date-mm-dd-yy Oct 08 05:10:32 <rwhitby> ah, good - thinking ahead for non-US date formats Oct 08 05:13:37 <egaudet> pushed Oct 08 05:15:11 <rwhitby> building Oct 08 05:19:26 <oil> well Oct 08 05:19:36 <oil> i just tried to install terminal, and it installed termplugin also... Oct 08 05:19:57 <oil> its not very sexy though Oct 08 05:19:57 <oil> lol Oct 08 05:20:05 <rwhitby> egaudet: now that it's a different feed, should we change the version scheme to 1.2.1-X ? Oct 08 05:20:19 <rwhitby> oil: did it run the postsint? Oct 08 05:20:24 <oil> yeah Oct 08 05:20:28 <oil> not the combined flags though Oct 08 05:20:30 <oil> thats next Oct 08 05:20:30 <oil> xD Oct 08 05:21:23 <dBsooner> wait, different feed? Oct 08 05:21:28 <oil> termplugin requires a lunarestart? Oct 08 05:21:30 <oil> whatever for? Oct 08 05:21:40 <rwhitby> dBsooner: yep, webos-patches vs autopatch Oct 08 05:21:41 <oil> i installed it in the emulator without running flags and it didn't need to restart Oct 08 05:21:44 <egaudet> should I change them all to 1.2.1-0 to start Oct 08 05:21:45 <dBsooner> ahh Oct 08 05:21:52 <rwhitby> egaudet: yep Oct 08 05:21:59 <dBsooner> wait Oct 08 05:22:02 <egaudet> go go gadget sed Oct 08 05:22:14 <dBsooner> but what about ones that dont' need updating from release to release? Oct 08 05:22:32 <dBsooner> we just have to carry multiple version? Oct 08 05:22:54 <rwhitby> dBsooner: we will have to do that very soon for the GSM Pre at 1.1.3 anyway Oct 08 05:23:03 <dBsooner> ok Oct 08 05:23:36 <egaudet> pushed new versions Oct 08 05:23:42 <egaudet> going to tag repos Oct 08 05:24:18 <egaudet> tags pushed Oct 08 05:24:36 <dBsooner> so you going to leave it as "autopatch" in build.git? Oct 08 05:24:44 <dBsooner> even though its webos-patches on ipkg now? Oct 08 05:25:01 <rwhitby> dBsooner: for the moment, yes Oct 08 05:25:21 <dBsooner> ok Oct 08 05:25:21 <rwhitby> that's invisible to users Oct 08 05:25:22 <jauderho> btw if anyone is looking for a job. palm is hiring for a webkit software engineer Oct 08 05:25:33 <jauderho> just noticed the job posting. Oct 08 05:26:02 <oil> rwhitby: the only problem i see right now Oct 08 05:26:03 <dBsooner> can you build so i can test? Oct 08 05:26:09 <oil> is if a package requires both a java and luna restart Oct 08 05:26:16 <oil> it can't do both Oct 08 05:26:26 <rwhitby> oil: hmm - good point Oct 08 05:26:43 <rwhitby> oil: maybe we need a restart method that takes a list Oct 08 05:27:04 <dBsooner> rwhitby: still webos-patches/testing/ Oct 08 05:27:11 <dBsooner> ? Oct 08 05:27:46 <rwhitby> dBsooner: yep, updated Oct 08 05:27:50 <dBsooner> k Oct 08 05:27:58 <oil> http://i34.tinypic.com/bj7c4w.png Oct 08 05:28:06 <dBsooner> sigh.. i should have waiting to fix this InvisibleShield Oct 08 05:28:07 <dBsooner> lol Oct 08 05:28:20 <dBsooner> WOOT Oct 08 05:28:24 <dBsooner> you rock oil Oct 08 05:28:24 <VeeDubb65-steve> anybody here ever install mysql on their pre? Oct 08 05:28:35 <rwhitby> oil: s/Nevermind/Abort/ ? Oct 08 05:28:41 <dBsooner> VeeDubb65-steve there is a post about it on our wiki Oct 08 05:28:45 <dBsooner> search for MySQL Oct 08 05:28:45 <oil> idk Oct 08 05:28:55 <egaudet> I should update that VKB screenshot Oct 08 05:28:58 <zsoc> dependencies ftw! Oct 08 05:29:00 <dBsooner> Abort Oct 08 05:29:01 <oil> lol Oct 08 05:29:01 <dBsooner> or Cancel Oct 08 05:29:16 <VeeDubb65-steve> dBsooner: I know that, and I just installed it by mistake following one step to many on a walkthrough, and now my pre is so sluggish that it's basically not usable. Oct 08 05:29:20 <oil> hey Oct 08 05:29:27 <oil> just be happy i went with nevermind Oct 08 05:29:30 <dBsooner> LOL Oct 08 05:29:30 <oil> instead of "Naaah" Oct 08 05:29:39 <VeeDubb65-steve> I'm wondering if there is anything else I need to removove, or if I can just ipkg remove it Oct 08 05:29:41 <rwhitby> oil: ipkg under the hood is going to install the dependencies anyway - we can't stop that, so the only choices we have are install them all, or abort. Oct 08 05:29:44 <oil> or "They WHAT?" Oct 08 05:29:51 <dBsooner> "Get da F*ck Out!" would ahve been better Oct 08 05:29:59 <oil> wait Oct 08 05:29:59 <oil> it is? Oct 08 05:30:16 <rwhitby> oil: yep, that's how we get ipkgservice installed with no postinst run Oct 08 05:30:18 <oil> why am i calling install for each package then? Oct 08 05:30:25 <rwhitby> oil: cause we need to do the postinsts Oct 08 05:30:47 <oil> what if a patch requires another patch Oct 08 05:30:51 <VeeDubb65-steve> can't a postinst run the reboot command and just restart the whole system? Oct 08 05:31:00 <oil> it would install one twice? Oct 08 05:31:02 <oil> or Oct 08 05:31:03 <oil> nevermind Oct 08 05:31:06 <oil> im doing it in reverse order Oct 08 05:31:15 <oil> so it wouldn't do deps for anything Oct 08 05:31:18 <oil> cause they should already be there Oct 08 05:31:20 <rwhitby> oil: right Oct 08 05:31:24 <oil> and Oct 08 05:31:26 <oil> nevermind doesnt ignore it Oct 08 05:31:29 <oil> it just doesn't install anything Oct 08 05:31:58 <rwhitby> ok, I was checking it was an "Abort everything" rather than "Skip the deps, but install this one" Oct 08 05:32:09 <oil> yeah Oct 08 05:32:13 <rwhitby> cool. Oct 08 05:32:20 <oil> its just "get rid of this dialog and go back to where i was Oct 08 05:32:29 <rwhitby> "Chicken Out" ? Oct 08 05:32:32 <oil> right Oct 08 05:32:34 <oil> gotta give that option Oct 08 05:32:42 <oil> there is always the change preware is broken Oct 08 05:32:50 <oil> and says depends on 2348723420348 packages Oct 08 05:32:53 <oil> in which case Oct 08 05:32:54 <rwhitby> right Oct 08 05:32:57 <oil> you probably dont want to do it Oct 08 05:33:04 <oil> but you should take a screenshot Oct 08 05:33:06 <oil> for the lols Oct 08 05:33:35 <oil> for now Oct 08 05:33:43 <oil> im just going to do it so if it has 2 Oct 08 05:33:46 <oil> i mean Oct 08 05:33:50 <oil> both luna and java restart Oct 08 05:33:52 <oil> it does the java one Oct 08 05:33:57 <oil> they can figure out luna on their own Oct 08 05:34:41 <dBsooner> can I have two feeds in teh same conf and just comment out one that I don't want to use Oct 08 05:34:55 <dBsooner> example: mainline and testing of patches Oct 08 05:36:14 <VeeDubb65-steve> If anybody care, ipkg-opt remove mysql fixed the lag on my pre. Oct 08 05:37:52 <oil> why did you install mysql? Oct 08 05:37:53 <oil> lol Oct 08 05:39:19 <VeeDubb65-steve> I was following the terrible how-to for setting up a web server for google tracking, whic links back to half a dozen other how-to's with "follow step 1 and 5-8 on this how-to" and I accidentally did one extra step on one of the ones it linked to. Oct 08 05:39:54 <oil> rwhitby: actually, if it has both, im going to tell them to restart their phone Oct 08 05:40:04 <oil> as an interim Oct 08 05:40:17 <VeeDubb65-steve> I've set it up a couple times before, but I was in a hurry and copied and pasted one line too many. Oct 08 05:40:45 <rwhitby> oil: good plan Oct 08 05:41:29 <rwhitby> dBsooner: create a new .conf file, then you can disable in Preware Oct 08 05:41:37 <dBsooner> already done Oct 08 05:41:37 <dBsooner> ;) Oct 08 05:41:57 <egaudet> pushed keyboard with new screeners Oct 08 05:43:16 <dBsooner> error! Oct 08 05:43:38 <dBsooner> Updating preware before the package service breaks it badly Oct 08 05:43:39 <egaudet> ? Oct 08 05:44:04 <dBsooner> now to command line Oct 08 05:44:10 <rwhitby> dBsooner: yep, that's expected. Oct 08 05:44:23 <dBsooner> Can you add an If in preware? Oct 08 05:44:51 <dBsooner> i guess taht would help nothing for people that have it Oct 08 05:44:59 <dBsooner> so the only fix is command lin upgrading package service? Oct 08 05:45:05 * dBsooner sees a lot of users borking this up. Oct 08 05:46:14 <egaudet> when's the planned release? Oct 08 05:48:13 <dBsooner> Tonight? :D Oct 08 05:48:37 <egaudet> well soon enough that I can fight my eyelids longer? Oct 08 05:48:43 <egaudet> :P Oct 08 05:49:01 <psykoz> me wants terminal on pre to check for terminal bell and do a notification event ;( Oct 08 05:50:44 <dBsooner> yeah, Im about to crash too Oct 08 05:50:48 <dBsooner> but I want to see it go live Oct 08 05:54:32 <egaudet> I'm going through titles one more time Oct 08 05:55:54 <dBsooner> rwhitby: http://webosinternals.pastebin.com/d5133404e Oct 08 05:56:10 <dBsooner> egaudet: grep TITLE * -r Oct 08 05:56:49 <egaudet> Swipe Delete History and Swipe Delete History Auto Confirm too long Oct 08 05:56:51 <rwhitby> dBsooner: yeah, we should turn the autobuilder back on Oct 08 05:57:00 <dBsooner> please Oct 08 05:57:19 <dBsooner> or can you at least build the precentral feed? Oct 08 05:57:26 <dBsooner> so I can finish that command Oct 08 05:57:56 <egaudet> shutter sound on/off and shutter sound on/off green need fixing Oct 08 05:58:22 <rwhitby> I can probably push all feeds now Oct 08 05:58:46 <dBsooner> fixing how? Oct 08 06:02:35 <egaudet> rwhitby, what will happen with keyboard? Oct 08 06:02:40 <egaudet> appearing in 2 feeds Oct 08 06:03:03 <rwhitby> egaudet: latest version should win Oct 08 06:03:20 <egaudet> not for me Oct 08 06:03:35 <egaudet> oh wait Oct 08 06:03:43 <egaudet> they have different "type" so they show up twice Oct 08 06:03:57 <egaudet> or did nevermind Oct 08 06:04:02 <egaudet> i updated feed Oct 08 06:04:22 <rwhitby> public feed is populated Oct 08 06:04:25 <egaudet> ok so 2 outstanding title changes needed Oct 08 06:04:41 <acyd_alt> ugh, nacking up systems is not fun Oct 08 06:04:45 <acyd_alt> i need to get a san Oct 08 06:06:48 <dBsooner> egaudet: how do you want to change it?: Oct 08 06:07:07 <egaudet> I think Swipe History, Swipe History w/ Auto Confirm Oct 08 06:07:40 <egaudet> and Gray Shutter Sound Toggle, Green Shutter Sound Toggle Oct 08 06:08:02 <dBsooner> i like having the full name first then the change at the end Oct 08 06:08:08 <dBsooner> so they are always together Oct 08 06:08:15 <dBsooner> Shutter Sound Toggle - Grey/Green Oct 08 06:08:38 <egaudet> It won't fit Oct 08 06:08:47 <dBsooner> but you have to remember both those Makefiles use the same patch dir on gitorious Oct 08 06:08:50 <egaudet> Sound Toggle - Grey Oct 08 06:08:56 <egaudet> it's in camera Oct 08 06:09:14 <dBsooner> But in the future it might be "video" too Oct 08 06:09:21 <dBsooner> so "Sound Toggle - Grey" wouldn't work Oct 08 06:09:25 <egaudet> and Swipe History - Auto Confrim then? Oct 08 06:09:28 <egaudet> or w/ Auto Confirm Oct 08 06:09:42 <egaudet> in the future we have different webos versions Oct 08 06:09:54 <egaudet> and have to update anyway Oct 08 06:10:10 <dBsooner> ok Oct 08 06:10:10 <egaudet> if Palm adds video to the camera app, this will surely be incompatible patch Oct 08 06:10:38 <egaudet> And I changed update email bug fix one to "Suppress Javascript Error" Oct 08 06:10:39 <dBsooner> Shutter Sound - Green/grey Oct 08 06:12:22 * dBsooner is running epr Oct 08 06:12:59 <dBsooner> s/epr/epr to remove his 71 patches so he can reinstall them with new builds.../ Oct 08 06:13:38 <dBsooner> egaudet did you do mods repo renaming too? Oct 08 06:13:48 <samk1> http://ktimg.com/pre/keysearch_patch/keytoss_patch_icon.png Oct 08 06:13:54 <egaudet> yea Oct 08 06:13:57 <samk1> http://ktimg.com/pre/keysearch_patch/browser_2009-08-10_002409.jpg Oct 08 06:14:01 <dBsooner> did you not push? Oct 08 06:14:04 <egaudet> not yet Oct 08 06:14:07 <samk1> http://ktimg.com/pre/keysearch_patch/browser_2009-08-10_020350.jpg Oct 08 06:14:10 <dBsooner> k Oct 08 06:14:29 <dBsooner> samk1: thanks.. can you upload those to the wiki? Oct 08 06:14:52 <samk1> ok... i guess i'll figure out how Oct 08 06:14:58 <dBsooner> lol Oct 08 06:15:02 <dBsooner> on left side Oct 08 06:15:05 <dBsooner> under toolbox Oct 08 06:15:08 <dBsooner> "uplaod a file" Oct 08 06:15:19 <samk1> ok thx Oct 08 06:15:23 <dBsooner> :D Oct 08 06:15:29 <samk1> sadly, i've never used a wiki Oct 08 06:15:39 <dBsooner> good time to learn Oct 08 06:16:36 <dBsooner> HOLY CRAP 3x3 looks bad Oct 08 06:16:38 <dBsooner> ;lol Oct 08 06:16:44 <acyd_alt> well i sure hope i got everything backed up Oct 08 06:16:47 <oil> yeah dude Oct 08 06:16:47 <oil> haha Oct 08 06:17:02 <samk1> any special format for destination filename? Oct 08 06:17:30 <acyd_alt> FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUU i gotta reboot and log back in, i forgot to back up folder.... that had my last backups in it Oct 08 06:18:15 <dBsooner> same as the tile of your patch Oct 08 06:18:17 <dBsooner> is what I prefer Oct 08 06:18:22 <dBsooner> the patch filename Oct 08 06:18:38 <samk1> ok Oct 08 06:18:40 <dBsooner> universal-search-keytoss-keyword-search? Oct 08 06:18:48 <samk1> cool Oct 08 06:19:16 <egaudet> samk1, did you want to remove this one: http://www.webos-internals.org/images/b/bc/Keytoss-keyword-search.png Oct 08 06:19:38 <dBsooner> remove mine? :( Oct 08 06:19:55 <samk1> yes please :) afraid that people would think that the hand is part of the patch... Oct 08 06:20:00 <egaudet> dBsooner, yea becase "KeyToss Keyword" seems wrong/weird so keep ending search. Oct 08 06:20:20 <zsoc> WHY IS DB4 SO LARGE Oct 08 06:20:43 <egaudet> wiki image links? Oct 08 06:20:58 <egaudet> or did you want to use the ktimg one Oct 08 06:20:59 <egaudet> ones* Oct 08 06:21:05 <samk1> ? Oct 08 06:21:40 <egaudet> nvm Oct 08 06:22:13 <egaudet> ok all pushed Oct 08 06:22:21 <egaudet> rwhitby, need anything else before I go to bed? Oct 08 06:22:37 <egaudet> verify the last push builds Oct 08 06:22:52 <rwhitby> egaudet: does the ipkgservice and preware in the testing feed work with the patches in the new public feed? Oct 08 06:23:06 <dBsooner> rwhitby: yes Oct 08 06:23:40 <dBsooner> i ran EPR from it Oct 08 06:23:41 <egaudet> i don't see an upgrade avail Oct 08 06:23:49 <egaudet> for preware or ipkg Oct 08 06:23:52 <dBsooner> egaudet: because all the packages renamed Oct 08 06:24:01 <dBsooner> you have to enabled testing feed egaudet Oct 08 06:24:06 <egaudet> yea i have it Oct 08 06:24:13 <dBsooner> 0.9.3? Oct 08 06:24:23 <egaudet> the test feed is enabled Oct 08 06:24:29 <egaudet> i do not get update available for preware Oct 08 06:24:33 <egaudet> i am on emu Oct 08 06:24:38 <dBsooner> hmm Oct 08 06:24:41 <dBsooner> because I got it Oct 08 06:24:50 <dBsooner> and ipkg -o /var upgrade did it too Oct 08 06:25:19 <egaudet> im stupid Oct 08 06:25:45 <dBsooner> lol Oct 08 06:25:51 <dBsooner> 5x4 version 2 is named wrong Oct 08 06:26:07 <oil> rwhitby: moved the 093 tag to my new commit Oct 08 06:26:17 <oil> to people can test the dependency stuff Oct 08 06:26:23 <rwhitby> egaudet: ipkgservice and preware are not public yet, just alpha testing feed Oct 08 06:26:55 <egaudet> dBsooner, i pushed that change Oct 08 06:26:58 <dBsooner> k Oct 08 06:27:00 <egaudet> rwhitby, rebuild? Oct 08 06:27:04 <dBsooner> bumped META_VERSIOn? Oct 08 06:27:23 <egaudet> no Oct 08 06:27:34 <dBsooner> shouldn't you? Oct 08 06:27:35 <egaudet> it's still manually built in patch test I thought? Oct 08 06:28:24 <dBsooner> I thought you renamed swiped delete too? Oct 08 06:28:36 <egaudet> I did Oct 08 06:28:40 <dBsooner> hmm Oct 08 06:28:57 <egaudet> It's not autobuilt yet right Oct 08 06:29:17 <egaudet> crap my emulator preware is being so slow Oct 08 06:29:37 <egaudet> what happened to this update? Oct 08 06:30:00 <egaudet> ther'es a second delay from hitting "available patches" to going to it Oct 08 06:30:15 <egaudet> in the emulator, and it didn't used to be like that before 0.9.3 Oct 08 06:30:25 <zsoc> rwhitby, i'm having problems building ldb4 for arm, which i know is something you have experience with.. any suggestions? Oct 08 06:30:29 <samk1> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Image:Icon_universal-search-keytoss-keyword-search.png Oct 08 06:30:36 <rwhitby> cannot stat `build/src//browser/browser-swipe-history-auto-confirm.patch' Oct 08 06:30:40 <samk1> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Image:Universal-search-keytoss-keyword-search-1.jpg Oct 08 06:30:50 <samk1> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Image:Universal-search-keytoss-keyword-search-2.jpg Oct 08 06:32:29 <zsoc> rwhitby, more specifically, "configure: error: Unknown mutex interface: no" during configure Oct 08 06:32:50 <tmzt> what? where? Oct 08 06:33:16 <egaudet> rwhitby, did you remove modifcations tarball Oct 08 06:33:20 <rwhitby> yes Oct 08 06:33:22 <tmzt> what is ldb4 and why does it involve mutex? Oct 08 06:33:23 <rwhitby> build/src//camera/camera-sound-toggle-grey.patch: Oct 08 06:33:35 <tmzt> what, nevermid Oct 08 06:33:40 <tmzt> mutex, not mux Oct 08 06:33:52 <dBsooner> he didn't reanme the patches on gitorious Oct 08 06:34:02 <dBsooner> egaudet: you didn't rename the camera patches on gitorious Oct 08 06:34:07 <zsoc> tmzt, lol, it does involve mux, but in a very, very, very roundabout way ;) Oct 08 06:34:16 <tmzt> how is that? Oct 08 06:34:40 <rwhitby> egaudet, dBsooner: you guys need to start incrementing that -X on the tag now Oct 08 06:34:57 <dBsooner> mmk Oct 08 06:34:59 <zsoc> tmzt, it's actually funny (and or ironic), the only other place google claims anyone has had this issue is in a different chatroom on this server rod founded ;) and that guy fixed his own problem by refering to a global variable i am extremely unfamiliar with D: Oct 08 06:35:37 <tmzt> so the mux is irc? Oct 08 06:36:10 * zsoc blinks Oct 08 06:37:15 <egaudet> rwhitby, it's being autobuilt? Oct 08 06:37:21 <zsoc> no, the mux is the plugin i'm trying to backport which i need automake for my patch to work properly which needs perl which needs ldb4 which is an odd db i'm fairly sure is pretty outdated Oct 08 06:37:22 <rwhitby> yep Oct 08 06:37:28 <egaudet> can I push the last 1.2.1-0 changes without bump? Oct 08 06:38:25 <rwhitby> yes Oct 08 06:39:14 <egaudet> ok done Oct 08 06:40:00 * samk1 is trying out actions on irc for the first time Oct 08 06:42:51 <egaudet> ok I'm going to bed Oct 08 06:43:05 <rwhitby> built and published Oct 08 06:43:08 <oil> bed?!? Oct 08 06:43:31 <egaudet> I hope preware isn't that slow on my pre Oct 08 06:43:42 <tmzt> slow? Oct 08 06:44:33 <oil> how so? Oct 08 06:44:36 <egaudet> anytime I tap an item in 093 it highlights for a full second before going forward Oct 08 06:44:38 <egaudet> 092 didnt do that Oct 08 06:44:40 <egaudet> on emu Oct 08 06:44:43 <egaudet> it was snappy Oct 08 06:45:10 <rwhitby> so, do we have three alpha testers for the latest ipkgservice and preware ? Oct 08 06:45:47 <tmzt> git bisect :) Oct 08 06:45:56 <rwhitby> oil: is that the menus on more scenes? Oct 08 06:46:05 <oil> yes Oct 08 06:46:08 <oil> thats part of why its slower Oct 08 06:46:12 <VeeDubb65-steve> I can test if you just need a guinea pig Oct 08 06:46:28 <egaudet> I want my speed back :( Oct 08 06:46:33 <oil> its on the main, package group, package list scenes Oct 08 06:46:40 <rwhitby> http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/all/ Oct 08 06:46:47 <oil> i guess i could do a first-activate thing Oct 08 06:46:49 <rwhitby> ipkgservice 0.9.6 and preware 0.9.3 Oct 08 06:46:51 <oil> to try and make it faster Oct 08 06:47:17 <VeeDubb65-steve> is it alright to install over the top of the old versions, or do I need to remove them first? Oct 08 06:47:58 <dBsooner> what do you mean VeeDubb65-steve? Oct 08 06:48:04 <egaudet> rwhitby, could you remove outdated packages from webos-patches feed Oct 08 06:48:22 <egaudet> browser-swipe-delete* Oct 08 06:48:26 <egaudet> camera-shutter-* Oct 08 06:48:34 <VeeDubb65-steve> do I need to remove ipkg-service 0.9.5 before I install 0.9.6, or will WOSQI upgrade properly? Oct 08 06:48:41 <VeeDubb65-steve> same for preware Oct 08 06:48:55 <VeeDubb65-steve> or should I root in and install with "ipkg install" Oct 08 06:49:00 <dBsooner> it should just upgrade Oct 08 06:49:03 <rwhitby> VeeDubb65-steve: wosqi should be fine Oct 08 06:49:33 <rwhitby> egaudet: doing it Oct 08 06:49:41 <VeeDubb65-steve> OH MY GOD!!!! the error messages! I"ve never seen so many! Oct 08 06:49:46 <VeeDubb65-steve> just kidding. installed fine. Oct 08 06:50:04 <dBsooner> rwhitby deleted everything.. :( Oct 08 06:50:08 <dBsooner> no wonder I got an error Oct 08 06:51:14 <egaudet> using real feed now Oct 08 06:51:17 <egaudet> no more testing feed Oct 08 06:51:21 <dBsooner> me too Oct 08 06:51:22 <VeeDubb65-steve> I just picked a package to install at random, and it seems to be opperating smoothly. If there's anything specific you want tested, just say the word. Oct 08 06:52:42 <rwhitby> egaudet: check now Oct 08 06:52:52 <rwhitby> VeeDubb65-steve: try some patches Oct 08 06:53:11 <rwhitby> ok, so we need two other alpha testers please Oct 08 06:53:59 <dBsooner> im going to install my 50 Oct 08 06:54:03 <VeeDubb65-steve> holly crap. I had to remove and reinstall the autopatch feed (not a big deal) but there are now 114 patches Oct 08 06:54:05 <dBsooner> if those work, then it's good Oct 08 06:54:34 <VeeDubb65-steve> testing keytoss now. no idea what it is, but I've seen screen shots of what it should look like. Oct 08 06:54:54 <dBsooner> VeeDubb65-steve: how did you "remove and reinstall the autopatch feed"? Oct 08 06:56:00 <VeeDubb65-steve> I went to "list of everything" and searched for autopatch Oct 08 06:56:06 <VeeDubb65-steve> then removed it and reinstalled Oct 08 06:56:12 <VeeDubb65-steve> easy as that. Oct 08 06:56:26 <VeeDubb65-steve> restarting luna now to see if the keytoss patch worked Oct 08 06:56:43 <egaudet> VeeDubb65-steve, remove autopatch feed Oct 08 06:56:50 <egaudet> if you are testing new preware Oct 08 06:56:50 <dBsooner> thats teh old autopatch feed Oct 08 06:56:56 <VeeDubb65-steve> ah Oct 08 06:57:18 <oil> rwhitby: could you redo 093 for testing, i moved the tag Oct 08 06:57:22 <egaudet> why is only one screenshot for keytoss showing Oct 08 06:57:50 <VeeDubb65-steve> alright, if that's the old autopatch, how do I install the new one? Oct 08 06:58:24 <dBsooner> egaudet: because you only have one listed in te Makefile Oct 08 06:58:50 <egaudet> no because i should have bumped meta version Oct 08 06:59:08 <egaudet> i guess Oct 08 06:59:25 <dBsooner> yep Oct 08 06:59:40 <dBsooner> forgot to bump.. but i didn't think tha twould matter since he strated it all over Oct 08 07:00:01 <VeeDubb65-steve> egaudet: You said to remove the autopatch feed because it was the old one. I've done that. How do I get the new one? Oct 08 07:00:13 <egaudet> comes with the new preware Oct 08 07:00:16 <egaudet> ipkgservice Oct 08 07:00:44 <dBsooner> egaudet: fix the descript of keytoss too Oct 08 07:00:47 <dBsooner> 'k list' Oct 08 07:00:51 <dBsooner> instead of k list Oct 08 07:01:28 <VeeDubb65-steve> It didn't when I first installed the new preware. It showed no available patches. let me try again, and manually refresh the feeds Oct 08 07:02:02 <egaudet> k done Oct 08 07:02:28 <egaudet> alright good night Oct 08 07:02:31 <VeeDubb65-steve> aha. now it's shows 67 available. Oct 08 07:02:34 <VeeDubb65-steve> life is good Oct 08 07:02:42 <rwhitby> oil: new preware in testing feed Oct 08 07:02:45 <dBsooner> I see no problems with 0.9.3, new ipkgservice or the new feed Oct 08 07:02:56 <VeeDubb65-steve> I only see one Oct 08 07:03:16 <VeeDubb65-steve> people who have the autopatch feed installed will have to remove it and then update their feeds to get the new patches. Oct 08 07:04:14 <punzada> how the hell do i have 50 preware packages installed >> Oct 08 07:04:35 <egaudet> punzada, patches? Oct 08 07:04:53 <punzada> no i'm just a download whore apparently lol Oct 08 07:04:57 <VeeDubb65-steve> another small error. patches installed through the old autopatch feed show up in the installed packages as "applications" instead of patches. Oct 08 07:04:59 <punzada> mostly apps actually Oct 08 07:05:00 <egaudet> VeeDubb65-steve, ipkgservice will remove the feed conf Oct 08 07:05:10 <egaudet> we'll take down the autopatch feed package too Oct 08 07:05:21 <dBsooner> VeeDubb65-steve: yeah.. you have to basically EPR Oct 08 07:05:42 <VeeDubb65-steve> I have such a mess with old patches and new patches, that I suspect I'll have to do an EPR and reinstall them. Oct 08 07:05:46 <VeeDubb65-steve> lol Oct 08 07:05:50 <VeeDubb65-steve> I see I typed too slow Oct 08 07:06:04 <rwhitby> oil: speed is back Oct 08 07:06:17 <egaudet> how do i get it? Oct 08 07:06:46 <rwhitby> egaudet: it's in the testing feed now Oct 08 07:07:27 <dBsooner> ipkg -o /var remove org.webosinternals.preware && ipkg -o /var install opr.webosinternals.preware ? Oct 08 07:07:37 <VeeDubb65-steve> this is a little scarey. I'm trying to run EPR, and it's been spinning on "Installing" for about 40 seconds now. Oct 08 07:07:42 <egaudet> it should show as update? or is it same version Oct 08 07:07:44 <VeeDubb65-steve> nm, it's done Oct 08 07:07:46 <dBsooner> egaudet: FIX BUG IN EMAIL is still listed Oct 08 07:07:57 <dBsooner> along with "Supress Javascript Error" Oct 08 07:08:18 <oil> its the same number Oct 08 07:08:44 <egaudet> Rod could you delete emails-update* package Oct 08 07:09:25 <VeeDubb65-steve> looks like EPR was fully successful, so it's just a matter of making sure people know they need to run it when the upgrade. Oct 08 07:09:55 <rwhitby> I'll put it in the Preware Changelog for a start. Oct 08 07:09:56 <tmzt> they need to run something called "emergency patch restore" everytime they upgrade? Oct 08 07:10:25 <VeeDubb65-steve> I believe it's only needed this time because the new package feed is built in Oct 08 07:11:07 <egaudet> tmzt, the patch feed is moving, it's going public Oct 08 07:11:58 <VeeDubb65-steve> well, that's enough fun for me. time to head to the laundromat. Apartment living ftl. Oct 08 07:12:04 <VeeDubb65-steve> great job on the new Preware guys. Oct 08 07:12:55 <egaudet> I'm really going to bed now, good night Oct 08 07:13:03 <tmzt> egaudet: so this won't be required in future, just for those using the private version inthe past? Oct 08 07:13:20 <rwhitby> "0.9.3: Enabled feed management and added the webos-patches feed. If you have previously installed Patches from the autopatch feed or the online repository, you should run the Emergency Patch Recovery application before using this first public release of the webos-patches feed." Oct 08 07:13:27 <rwhitby> how does that sound for a changelog? Oct 08 07:13:32 <VeeDubb65-steve> sounds perfect Oct 08 07:13:44 <egaudet> tmzt, yup Oct 08 07:13:57 <VeeDubb65-steve> tmzt: you are correct. It's not even required this time unless you've used the autopatch feed to install tweaks and patches. Oct 08 07:14:06 <tmzt> still alarmed at the name, but if it's only for non-public users it's not as much of an issue Oct 08 07:14:26 <tmzt> I don't want something like "your pre is bricked until your emergency" to become coin Oct 08 07:14:57 <egaudet> well EPR can be used in emergencies Oct 08 07:15:10 <tmzt> right Oct 08 07:15:15 <rwhitby> new preware with updated changelog in testing feed Oct 08 07:15:35 <rwhitby> egaudet, oil: are we ready for a release? Oct 08 07:15:42 <egaudet> people get into situations where they modify files manually, crazy themes touch files everywhere, app catalog removea patch, do a full/partial erase Oct 08 07:15:55 <egaudet> yea, verified speed is back too btw Oct 08 07:16:15 <oil> rwhitby: not yet Oct 08 07:16:21 <egaudet> well once "Fix Bug in Email App" is out of the patches ffeed Oct 08 07:17:19 <rwhitby> egaudet, oil: anything I need to do ? Oct 08 07:17:28 <oil> test the dependency installation? Oct 08 07:17:34 <dBsooner> rwhitby: not going to ask me? :D Oct 08 07:17:50 <rwhitby> oil: oh, are we rolling dependencies in too? Oct 08 07:18:00 <egaudet> rm org.webosinternals.patches.email-update-bug-fix Oct 08 07:18:02 <egaudet> from feed Oct 08 07:18:03 <huytrang90> hi rwhitby Oct 08 07:18:13 <oil> its in there right now Oct 08 07:19:46 <oil> i mean, i can turn it off pretty easily Oct 08 07:19:52 <oil> i wasn't expecting it to be released right now Oct 08 07:20:32 <egaudet> dBsooner, maintainers over the next couple of days Oct 08 07:20:46 <dBsooner> ? Oct 08 07:20:57 <egaudet> we have to get maintianers for the patches Oct 08 07:21:04 <dBsooner> yes Oct 08 07:22:16 <egaudet> 3:30AM Oct 08 07:22:18 <egaudet> good night Oct 08 07:24:41 <oil> ok, i pushed a new 093 that removes the dependency installation Oct 08 07:24:48 <oil> and re-adds the ability to force an update Oct 08 07:24:55 <oil> the old one wasn't doing it right xD Oct 08 07:26:31 <oil> now i would say its probably ok to push Oct 08 07:26:41 <oil> assuming everything else is ok Oct 08 07:30:48 <huytrang90> anyone knows if you can use the dropbear and optware from preware to open up ssh for your desktop to Pre via wifi? Oct 08 07:32:32 <oil> rwhitby would be the one to ask Oct 08 07:32:34 <oil> i do not know Oct 08 07:32:51 <tmzt> what? Oct 08 07:32:59 <tmzt> from desktop? Oct 08 07:33:15 <tmzt> you should be able to configure it to listed on whatever ip and port you want Oct 08 07:33:29 <tmzt> the wiki had instructions at one point I think Oct 08 07:41:37 <rwhitby> huytrang90: check the homepage link in the description for instructions Oct 08 07:42:05 <rwhitby> oil: testing feed updated with latest tag Oct 08 07:49:43 <huytrang90> I tried to follow the instruction on webos-internals.. but does not work on win7. :( Oct 08 07:50:08 <huytrang90> the novaterm kept on displaying the debug message dialog.. can someone recompile that without it? Oct 08 07:56:23 <tmzt> novacom on windows7? Oct 08 07:56:27 <tmzt> I don't think we have source Oct 08 07:57:33 <huytrang90> I mean the novaterm someone has built... but no worry.. Oct 08 07:58:14 <huytrang90> my questions is now I have installed Preware - Optware + dropbear... what changes do I have to make so I can ssh from desktop? Oct 08 07:58:22 <huytrang90> SShd.conf? Oct 08 08:01:44 <dBsooner> im off to bed Oct 08 08:01:46 <dBsooner> night ya'll Oct 08 08:01:51 <dBsooner> night rwhitby, oil. Oct 08 08:02:10 <huytrang90> think I see it.. Oct 08 08:02:30 <dBsooner> oil, should I do another ipkg -o /var remove org.webosinternals.preware && ipkg -o /var install org.webosinternals.preware? Oct 08 08:02:47 <dBsooner> or is the latest 0.9.3 in the feed? Oct 08 08:06:13 <oil> depends on when you last did it Oct 08 08:06:32 <oil> within the last 30 mins? Oct 08 08:06:40 <oil> if not, you probably dont have the newest Oct 08 08:07:35 <dBsooner> i don't have the one you said disables prereq Oct 08 08:07:40 <dBsooner> or depends Oct 08 08:08:05 <oil> well then Oct 08 08:08:37 <dBsooner> done Oct 08 08:08:39 <dBsooner> off to bed Oct 08 09:50:22 <ConfusedVorlon> morning folks. I'd dying to find out how my apps are doing in the app store. Anyone got access to the us store and willling to help me out for a mo? Oct 08 09:57:33 <hmagoo> what apps? Oct 08 10:05:01 <ConfusedVorlon> remote and vlc remote Oct 08 10:05:46 <ConfusedVorlon> palm don't have any reporting for developers yet (it is still beta!) - so the only option is to get data from the store Oct 08 10:06:02 <ConfusedVorlon> but I'm in the uk and can't see the paid apps in my appstore... Oct 08 10:06:33 <ConfusedVorlon> got a mo to help me out? Oct 08 10:08:22 <hmagoo> yeah, but it only shows reviews I think Oct 08 10:09:09 <ConfusedVorlon> do you know how to ssh to your device? Oct 08 12:26:21 * rwhitby bbt Oct 08 12:54:48 <ConfusedVorlon> hi folks - anyone there with access to th us app store who knows how to ssh to their device? Oct 08 13:42:05 <bpadalino|work> has anyone updated the wiki with the direct link to webos doctor 1.2.1 ? Oct 08 14:08:00 <kesne> I hate reviews Oct 08 14:09:38 <bpadalino|work> embrace them Oct 08 14:13:22 <DianeHelen> rwhitby are you here and awake :)? Oct 08 14:13:59 <MLJ> bpadalino|work: it even out yet? Oct 08 14:15:53 <MLJ> Only 1.2.0 is even available, I think... https://ws.palm.com/SupportDownload/app?service=external/Home&sp=44 Oct 08 14:16:34 <DianeHelen> no, actually 1.2.1 was released a few days ago Oct 08 14:17:05 <MLJ> He was asking about the webos doctor for 1.2.1 ;) Oct 08 14:17:34 <DianeHelen> ohh oopss sorry.. I should wait before opeing my pie hole huh? ;) Oct 08 14:20:14 <ConfusedVorlon> has anyone managed to doctor a 1.2 rom to bypass activation? Oct 08 14:20:31 <ConfusedVorlon> I'm struggling (failing) Oct 08 14:21:19 <MLJ> The webos internals team has... (i think) last I heard they were still working on the documentation for the wiki Oct 08 14:22:01 <ConfusedVorlon> anyone in particular I should ask? Oct 08 14:22:20 <MLJ> r w h itby maybe? Oct 08 14:22:27 <ConfusedVorlon> I have been trying by just making he changes documented for the earlier rom - but no joy Oct 08 14:22:45 <MLJ> I was told that was outdated and no longer works. Oct 08 14:23:04 <ConfusedVorlon> well - it doesn't work for me! Oct 08 14:23:16 <ConfusedVorlon> MLJ - you got access to the US app store? Oct 08 14:23:25 <MLJ> yes Oct 08 14:23:48 <ConfusedVorlon> could you spare me a couple of mins to get some info on how my apps are doing? The lack of info is killing me... Oct 08 14:24:08 <MLJ> What would you like to know? Oct 08 14:24:22 <ConfusedVorlon> do you know how to ssh to your pre? Oct 08 14:24:51 <ConfusedVorlon> the download numbers aren't in the appstore app any more, but they do get printed to the console as you look at the pages (I think) Oct 08 14:25:12 <MLJ> yes... although I'm poor on the language... I use WinSCP to gain linux access via putty Oct 08 14:25:32 <ConfusedVorlon> I'll ping you on a private chat and I can talk you through it. It's pretty simple Oct 08 14:47:53 <mikewx> anyone assist me with novaproxy in win7-64? prolly something stupid i'm missing Oct 08 14:54:07 <SirWill> Hey, I'm trying to uninstall quilt and some other things using ipkg-opt remove quilt perl libdb gdbm util-linux-ng e2fslibs ncursesw Oct 08 14:54:22 <SirWill> but I get bakc a no packages removed... Oct 08 14:54:29 <SirWill> Any clue why? I know quilt is installed Oct 08 14:55:27 <SirWill> OK, I'll try later... time to go to work. Oct 08 15:08:12 <dBsooner-work> oil ping Oct 08 15:11:46 <egaudet> dBsooner-work, hi Oct 08 15:12:02 <dBsooner-work> mornin Oct 08 15:12:14 <dBsooner-work> i'll ask you.. Do you know if they pushed 0.9.3 to mainline? Oct 08 15:12:22 <egaudet> I believe they did not Oct 08 15:12:29 <dBsooner-work> ok Oct 08 15:12:38 <dBsooner-work> then we should hold off on announcing Oct 08 15:12:56 <egaudet> do you think they will allow an AutoPatch thread to be sticked and locked in the patches forum on precentral tonight? Oct 08 15:15:47 <mikegodz> Looks like the virtual keyboard patch has been removed from preware. Is that correct? Oct 08 15:16:19 <egaudet> it's not in the feed anymore, dont' know why Oct 08 15:16:31 <mikegodz> any other way to get it? Oct 08 15:16:39 <PuffTheMagic> dBsooner-work: you guys could look Oct 08 15:16:45 <PuffTheMagic> instead of waiting Oct 08 15:17:27 <dBsooner-work> egaudet: I AM SURE THEY WILL Oct 08 15:17:34 <dBsooner-work> egaudet: why you ask? Oct 08 15:17:40 <dBsooner-work> egaudet: I am the moderator of the Patches forum there. Oct 08 15:17:41 <egaudet> the keyboard has been moved to the webos patches feed Oct 08 15:18:04 <dBsooner-work> egaudet: speaking of which, with the new feed, Virtual Keyboard shows up as an installed "Application" Oct 08 15:18:07 <egaudet> the webos patches feed will be default in preware next release Oct 08 15:18:09 <dBsooner-work> so I had to removce it from there Oct 08 15:18:12 <egaudet> s/default/a default Oct 08 15:18:14 <dBsooner-work> to be able to "patch it" Oct 08 15:18:59 <mikegodz> when is the next preware release coming out? Oct 08 15:19:03 <egaudet> it's an "app" now because the feed doesnt have it so there's no extended metadata for it Oct 08 15:19:19 <egaudet> i THINK later this evening Oct 08 15:19:25 <PuffTheMagic> hurry this shit up Oct 08 15:19:31 <mikegodz> cool. thanks. Oct 08 15:19:37 <dBsooner-work> egaudet: if you type me up a very detailed post, giving credit where credit is do, as well as being unbiased about "not just Preware uses this".. I will post sticky and lock it tonight. Oct 08 15:19:45 <egaudet> "if" Oct 08 15:19:50 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: autopatch was supposed to be done yesterday Oct 08 15:20:02 <egaudet> it's done Oct 08 15:20:05 <dBsooner-work> it's done Oct 08 15:20:13 <dBsooner-work> but its not public untill 0.9.3 is out Oct 08 15:20:18 <egaudet> I need to write it up, sticky/lock it, and direct everyone's attention/questions to db Oct 08 15:20:19 <egaudet> :P Oct 08 15:20:26 <dBsooner-work> 0.9.3 overwrites the old feed with new feed info Oct 08 15:20:32 <dBsooner-work> heh Oct 08 15:20:44 * dBsooner-work will just sticky/lock it Oct 08 15:20:53 <PuffTheMagic> 0.9.3 of service or preware? Oct 08 15:21:05 * dBsooner-work would edit your post if it says, "ALL questions go to dBsooner".. I would delete that part of your post. Oct 08 15:21:05 <dBsooner-work> ;) Oct 08 15:21:15 <egaudet> preware is 093, the service i dunno but 093 will require the updated service Oct 08 15:21:26 <dBsooner-work> 0.9.6? Oct 08 15:21:28 <dBsooner-work> i think is it Oct 08 15:21:32 <en0x> right Oct 08 15:21:53 <egaudet> dBsooner-work, more like "Please contact our vice president of autopatch operations, dBsooner" Oct 08 15:21:56 <egaudet> lol Oct 08 15:22:08 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: well u shouldnt delete the feed ipk still u are sure everyone has updated Oct 08 15:22:20 <dBsooner-work> LOL.. Oct 08 15:22:22 <egaudet> PuffTheMagic, once preware is out the ipk is gone Oct 08 15:22:23 <dBsooner-work> that would work Oct 08 15:22:35 <egaudet> so that no one can ever install it again, but people can still uninstall it Oct 08 15:22:35 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: then you are gonna fuck over people who havent updated preware Oct 08 15:22:36 <PuffTheMagic> nice Oct 08 15:22:41 <egaudet> PuffTheMagic, no I won't Oct 08 15:22:45 <PuffTheMagic> you are Oct 08 15:22:47 <egaudet> the ipk is just what adds the feed to conf Oct 08 15:22:50 <dBsooner-work> Preware 0.9.3 and ipkgservice 0.9.6 are not in mainline yet.. they are still in testing. Oct 08 15:22:52 <PuffTheMagic> right Oct 08 15:22:52 <egaudet> none of the ipks are coming off the feed Oct 08 15:22:58 <dBsooner-work> So it might happen tonight. Oct 08 15:23:02 <PuffTheMagic> yeah but if the ipkg is gone there will be issues Oct 08 15:23:08 <dBsooner-work> I tested both and they worked great for my patches installs. Oct 08 15:23:09 <egaudet> ^^ Oct 08 15:23:23 <egaudet> how will autopatch-feed.ipk being gone cause any issue? Oct 08 15:23:38 <dBsooner-work> But I think oil was worried about the dependency part of the code.. I think he ended up pulling that part of the code back out and reverting to old way, force updating. Oct 08 15:23:48 <dBsooner-work> He did that right before I went to bed. Oct 08 15:23:56 <ConfusedVorlon> hi folks - anyone online know about bypassing activation on a 1.2 rom? Oct 08 15:23:57 <PuffTheMagic> md5sum issues maybe uninstall issues maybe Oct 08 15:24:06 <egaudet> The only thing it does is A) make it appear in "apps" under installed and B) not let anyone else install i Oct 08 15:24:07 <egaudet> it* Oct 08 15:24:27 <egaudet> PuffTheMagic, the ipk has nothing to do with the uninstall I don't think Oct 08 15:24:38 <egaudet> only the install Oct 08 15:24:57 <egaudet> for example the virtual keyboard is not in the webos-internals feed anymore Oct 08 15:25:08 <egaudet> dBsooner-work, still uninstalled it Oct 08 15:26:02 <egaudet> dBsooner-work, I have a couple of tasks for ya should you choose to accept Oct 08 15:27:44 * PuffTheMagic is going to san antonio for a conference at the end of he month Oct 08 15:27:47 * PuffTheMagic is excited Oct 08 15:28:14 <dBsooner-work> egaudet: ruh roh Oct 08 15:28:18 <dBsooner-work> egaudet: whatcha got? Oct 08 15:28:19 <dBsooner-work> first off.. Oct 08 15:28:23 <dBsooner-work> can you try 2 patches for me? Oct 08 15:28:35 <dBsooner-work> Actually 4 Oct 08 15:28:49 <dBsooner-work> 1) Smiley's install, but I don't see them in the sym box? Same for you? Oct 08 15:29:22 <dBsooner-work> 2) "All-Day Appts in Month View" isntalls, but it REMOVES all appts from month view. Same for you? Oct 08 15:29:43 <dBsooner-work> 3 and 4) Neither of the browser swipes work. They error on install. Oct 08 15:29:50 <PuffTheMagic> ^^ this dont sound like autopatch is "done" Oct 08 15:29:59 <dBsooner-work> PuffTheMagic: no autopatch is done Oct 08 15:30:07 <dBsooner-work> this is package maintenence now Oct 08 15:30:13 <PuffTheMagic> same thing Oct 08 15:30:14 <dBsooner-work> but the baseline is there Oct 08 15:30:16 <dBsooner-work> nope Oct 08 15:30:25 <dBsooner-work> our goal was to restructure and reorganize the autopatch Oct 08 15:30:27 <PuffTheMagic> its anti C work Oct 08 15:32:12 <egaudet> yea I gotta start spending more time with C work Oct 08 15:32:23 <egaudet> but dBsooner-work the tasks were: Oct 08 15:32:48 <egaudet> A) Convince Jason and Prethemer to use autopatch + ipk for themes Oct 08 15:33:06 <dBsooner-work> part 2 of that is easy Oct 08 15:33:15 <egaudet> where is part 2? Oct 08 15:33:42 <wh0dat> is there a howto on connecting to the sql db on the pre? Oct 08 15:36:12 <egaudet> after the release and write up dBsooner-work I will only respond to autopatch topics from you :P Oct 08 15:38:09 <PuffTheMagic> wh0dat: on the developer site Oct 08 15:39:07 <wh0dat> thx Oct 08 15:42:05 <dBsooner-work> egaudet: yeah, I heard something last night that almost alarmed me. Oct 08 15:42:09 <dBsooner-work> let me see if I can find it.. Oct 08 15:42:11 <dBsooner-work> one sec.. Oct 08 15:43:46 <dBsooner-work> yep, here it is egaudet: Oct 08 15:43:47 <dBsooner-work> Oct 08 04:27:57 <rwhitby> PuffTheMagic: that's why we hired dBsooner, so egaudet can work on the next generation technology Oct 08 15:44:27 <dBsooner-work> So I was "hired" to take over the maintenance on the current packaging system for patch delivery and patches. Oct 08 15:44:37 <dBsooner-work> so you can "work on the next generation technology". Oct 08 15:44:52 * dBsooner-work is SOO going to find all the "Maintainers" Oct 08 15:45:57 <egaudet> lol Oct 08 15:46:07 <dBsooner-work> egaudet: And about A) up there... First part (Jason) might not be very simple. But I am sure I can work closely with him to get it to work right if he is willing. and part B (AnOutsider/Prethemer) is easy because I know he is interested in it already. Oct 08 15:46:31 <FreeTim> I was gonna be hired, but they only offered twice the pay... yes, TWO zeros :) I wanted three Oct 08 15:46:51 <FreeTim> $ 000.oo Oct 08 15:47:19 <dBsooner-work> If I can get Jason to get on board for the Theme Builder, it would VERY easy to translate it to Prethemer. However, Jason's stuff is closed source, so I would ask he at least make the ipkg building part of the Theme Builder Open-source enough for me to be able to translate it for Prethemer. Oct 08 15:47:29 <egaudet> so dBsooner-work do you not want to be the go to guy for autopatch stuff wihin the community? Oct 08 15:47:42 <dBsooner-work> two zeroes is more than they offerred me FreeTim. Oct 08 15:47:53 <dBsooner-work> Want to know what I was offered? Oct 08 15:48:14 <dBsooner-work> egaudet: *sighs really loudly.. yes I did* Oct 08 15:48:27 <dBsooner-work> egaudet: *sighs again*... Sure., Oct 08 15:48:36 <PuffTheMagic> dBsooner-work: when we gonna get your fans working? Oct 08 15:48:50 <dBsooner-work> I mean.. I am the moderator on Precentral.net for the patch sub-forum. Might as well. Oct 08 15:49:14 <egaudet> I have spoken with Jason, with regards to the new themeing etc.. We left off with him saying he was going to use the underlying patch control area for the patching part of themes, but did not want to use ipk because of /var space limitation Oct 08 15:49:32 <egaudet> I disagree but Oct 08 15:50:01 <dBsooner-work> PuffTheMagic: Maybe tonight or tomorrow.. If not then it will have to wait till Monday. My brother is home for "pre-deployment leave" and he has to go back to Camp Legune, NC on monday. He wants to be ale to use my laptop to get his brand new iPod Nano full of stuff from my iTunes. (I have over 10,000 songs in my iTunes).. Oct 08 15:50:05 <egaudet> dBsooner-work, you don't have to. You just seemed to me really into autopatch and have helped so much, and I've been slacking on C Oct 08 15:50:18 <dBsooner-work> So I promised him I would leave my Win7 b ooted for him to stop by whenever he wants while I am at work. Oct 08 15:50:40 <PuffTheMagic> oh Oct 08 15:50:54 <dBsooner-work> egaudet: No. I am more than willing to. It's just a big step for me. Oct 08 15:51:17 <dBsooner-work> egaudet: There is still a lot I don't know about the scripts and so forth, so I will be relying on you for some thing. Oct 08 15:51:52 <dBsooner-work> egaudet: But yeah.. I am actually pumped I was offerred the spot. I am more than happy to take it. Me taking that off your hands will help you move on to C. Oct 08 15:52:04 <dBsooner-work> egaudet: By the way.. I am a C programming guru. Oct 08 15:52:22 <dBsooner-work> i started on Pascal/basic/visual basic/c/c++ Oct 08 15:52:31 <dBsooner-work> those were the first languages I learned. Oct 08 15:52:34 <dBsooner-work> even BEFORE html Oct 08 15:52:51 <dBsooner-work> Pascal.. now that's probably my favorite. XD Oct 08 15:52:57 <egaudet> I was once told that no matter how long you program in C, you will never be able to claim to be an expert Oct 08 15:52:59 <egaudet> in C Oct 08 15:53:19 <egaudet> I did pascal/c/c++ Oct 08 15:53:20 <egaudet> no vb Oct 08 15:53:27 <egaudet> in high school Oct 08 15:53:31 <egaudet> so yea that's the good path :P Oct 08 15:54:04 <dBsooner-work> egaudet: Ok.. I can agree with you there. Let me rephrase it then... I am a guru in getting things done in C. However, C and its derivatives are soo complex and diverse, no one person can know everything there is. Oct 08 15:54:25 <dBsooner-work> I learned pascal/vb in high school, 9th grade. Oct 08 15:54:29 <dBsooner-work> C in 9th Oct 08 15:54:32 <dBsooner-work> and 10th Oct 08 15:54:38 <dBsooner-work> C++ in 11th Oct 08 15:54:53 <egaudet> pascal, vb and C in 9th Oct 08 15:55:05 <egaudet> good grief Oct 08 15:55:05 <dBsooner-work> then A+, N+, IBM Certifications (5 areas) in 12th Oct 08 15:55:05 <egaudet> super speed! Oct 08 15:55:13 <egaudet> nice Oct 08 15:55:17 <dBsooner-work> egaudet: but how close do those relate? Oct 08 15:55:25 <dBsooner-work> A lot of the formatting is the same Oct 08 15:55:49 <dBsooner-work> don't get me wrong.. I couldn't sit down and crank out a 50,000 line application in all 3 languages at that time Oct 08 15:56:07 <egaudet> yea Oct 08 15:56:19 <dBsooner-work> but I could read/write basics.. I could comprehend any source code I was handed, etc. Oct 08 15:56:48 <dBsooner-work> Then I went to college and got a degree in Telecommunications Mangement with an emphasis in Data Transport Engineering Oct 08 15:57:11 <dBsooner-work> double-majored in Business Administration, but dropped it down to a minor in business management Oct 08 15:57:38 <egaudet> nice Oct 08 15:57:41 * dBsooner-work is an expert at math.. scored a 34 on the ACT in math... but can't stand "business theory" mathmatics. Oct 08 15:58:14 <dBsooner-work> I am a person of "show me the numbers and I'll give you a report" Oct 08 15:58:46 <dBsooner-work> So I can't wrap my brain around how the stock market can alter your companies overall 5 to 10 year budget plan. Oct 08 15:58:46 <egaudet> I'm a person of "give me a problem, and I'll solve it quickly and correctly" Oct 08 15:59:01 <egaudet> and then not be able to explain it to you in plain english Oct 08 15:59:12 <dBsooner-work> So anyway, was that part 2 of your tasks? Oct 08 15:59:23 <dBsooner-work> 1) get them on board.. and 2) Take over maintenance. Oct 08 15:59:44 <dBsooner-work> I'll agree to part 2 AFTER you help get the Maintainer's setup. ;) Oct 08 15:59:53 <egaudet> well I wouldn't say maintenance so much as being the link between the feed and the community Oct 08 16:00:05 <egaudet> but the only thing is postinst/prerm can't change Oct 08 16:00:13 <dBsooner-work> done Oct 08 16:00:15 <egaudet> without me Oct 08 16:00:18 <dBsooner-work> lol Oct 08 16:00:23 <dBsooner-work> dne Oct 08 16:00:23 <dBsooner-work> done* Oct 08 16:00:57 <dBsooner-work> Is there a way we can capture certain ipkg errors and not display them to the user? Oct 08 16:01:02 <egaudet> I'll help you of course with anything you need, I just want to get away from gathering stuff from the forums etc... Oct 08 16:01:12 <dBsooner-work> egaudet: that's fine. Oct 08 16:01:35 <dBsooner-work> egaudet: With Dieter and Ron asking me to moderate their sub-forum over there, I feel I am more in the loop anyway. Oct 08 16:01:42 <dBsooner-work> Oh sh!t.. Oct 08 16:01:43 <dBsooner-work> ! Oct 08 16:02:00 * dBsooner-work just realized how much AM is going to be in my life now. Oct 08 16:02:15 <dBsooner-work> s/me/him/ Oct 08 16:02:21 <dBsooner-work> s/him/his/ Oct 08 16:04:09 <egaudet> ?? Oct 08 16:04:15 <egaudet> oh aunt minnie Oct 08 16:04:17 <egaudet> hahaha Oct 08 16:04:19 <dBsooner-work> yeah Oct 08 16:04:25 <dBsooner-work> Aunt Minni Oct 08 16:04:32 <egaudet> The tough part is going to be collecting the right maintainers Oct 08 16:04:44 <dBsooner-work> s/Minni/Minnie/ Oct 08 16:04:44 <infobot> dBsooner-work meant: Aunt Minnie Oct 08 16:04:53 <dBsooner-work> egaudet: I think I cn do it Oct 08 16:05:24 <dBsooner-work> egaudet: I did a search for "PATCH" last night on precentral.net and MOVED all those threads to the "Patches" sub-forum Oct 08 16:05:28 <egaudet> like the browser patch I don't know who created it, fritos seemingly did a lot of work for it on 1.1.0 and has a big thread devoted to it, Jason sent me the copy of the one working in 1.2 so I think he ported it Oct 08 16:05:30 <egaudet> etc... Oct 08 16:05:49 <dBsooner-work> so all (most?) the patches threads are in the same place and most are posted by the person maintaining them. Oct 08 16:06:27 <dBsooner-work> egaudet: Would you mind getting with Jason and asking him if he would mind adding me on whatever "messenger" system you two were using? Oct 08 16:06:38 <dBsooner-work> egaudet: I have him on AIM, butg I think he blocked me. LOL Oct 08 16:06:48 <dBsooner-work> bc I havcen't seen him signed on in AIM in a while. Oct 08 16:07:32 <egaudet> I just aim him on his @gmail.com name Oct 08 16:07:45 <egaudet> s/aim/im Oct 08 16:08:18 <dBsooner-work> im him how? Oct 08 16:08:20 <dBsooner-work> google talk? Oct 08 16:08:55 <egaudet> i use pidgeon i dont know how any of that works Oct 08 16:10:44 <dBsooner-work> lol Oct 08 16:10:48 <dBsooner-work> pidgin* Oct 08 16:11:17 <dBsooner-work> I guess I'll IM him later as well and see if I cna light a fire. Oct 08 16:12:10 <dBsooner-work> egaudet: what if I convinced him to create the theme ipk as a self-removing one with special prerm instructions that will keep the theme installed with the theme.xml statefile. Oct 08 16:12:49 <egaudet> well since the autobuilder builds precentral-themes ipk's we could just use that to put it entirely in thea utopatch system Oct 08 16:13:26 <dBsooner-work> I wonder if we could setup a "submit theme" in his theme builder Oct 08 16:13:28 <egaudet> the only issue out of our hands is QI installing precentral themes Oct 08 16:13:41 <egaudet> and prethemer packaging Oct 08 16:13:49 <dBsooner-work> that would push a theme to an 'incoming' repo for us to look at Oct 08 16:13:59 <egaudet> QI uses it's own mechanism to install a zip, doen't use ipk Oct 08 16:14:13 <egaudet> we can get the theme zips already Oct 08 16:14:15 <egaudet> which we do Oct 08 16:14:23 <dBsooner-work> from pc Oct 08 16:14:29 <dBsooner-work> not from anywhwere else Oct 08 16:14:34 <egaudet> and once they have .patch files inside, we can create ipk with autopatch technology so the theme is removable by EPR too Oct 08 16:14:36 <dBsooner-work> Well I can get it done. Oct 08 16:14:54 <dBsooner-work> the hard part would be getting the patch Oct 08 16:14:54 <dBsooner-work> no it wouldn't Oct 08 16:15:04 <egaudet> but if a theme is installed with QI, EPR probably won't work on it and I don't know how he'll handle the .patch exactly Oct 08 16:15:27 <dBsooner-work> have the builder download the doctor, extract the /usr, have changes made, extract /usr_orig, run diff /usr /usr_orig Oct 08 16:15:30 <dBsooner-work> patch created Oct 08 16:16:52 <dBsooner-work> but it wouldn't be two ipk's right.. Oct 08 16:17:10 <dBsooner-work> we could make the theme ipk run the postins and prerm for the themes patch Oct 08 16:17:49 <egaudet> He is already going to create the .patch Oct 08 16:18:00 <dBsooner-work> i was simply thinking if we made the theme ipk self-removing, jason couldn't use the "APp Catalog limitation" excuse anymore. Oct 08 16:18:17 <egaudet> it's not app catalog limitation excuse Oct 08 16:18:29 <dBsooner-work> that's what you said Oct 08 16:18:31 <egaudet> he doesn't want it as ipk because the SIZE of the zip'd images Oct 08 16:18:39 <dBsooner-work> that's not what you said. Oct 08 16:18:51 <egaudet> but no one that I know of is within 10MB dangerous of /var like that so I don't see it as an issue Oct 08 16:18:54 <egaudet> I did too say that Oct 08 16:19:03 <PuffTheMagic> use lzma/xz instead of zip Oct 08 16:19:19 <egaudet> ? Oct 08 16:19:21 <dBsooner-work> huh? Oct 08 16:19:35 <PuffTheMagic> if themes are so huge use a better compression algo Oct 08 16:19:38 <dBsooner-work> ipk doesn't compress like zip does Oct 08 16:19:47 <dBsooner-work> so he wants to stay zip because of that Oct 08 16:19:53 <dBsooner-work> no? Oct 08 16:19:56 <PuffTheMagic> you can zip the contents of a ipk Oct 08 16:19:59 <egaudet> no Oct 08 16:20:04 <PuffTheMagic> and extract it with postinst Oct 08 16:20:06 <egaudet> ipk extracts to /var Oct 08 16:20:06 <PuffTheMagic> yes you can Oct 08 16:20:11 <egaudet> he doesn't want to extract to /var Oct 08 16:20:26 <PuffTheMagic> then move it with a postinst Oct 08 16:20:35 <PuffTheMagic> after extracting to /var Oct 08 16:20:43 <PuffTheMagic> there are so many ways around this Oct 08 16:20:48 <egaudet> I know this Oct 08 16:20:51 <PuffTheMagic> mount a tmpfs in some dir under /var Oct 08 16:20:52 <PuffTheMagic> and move it Oct 08 16:20:54 <egaudet> you don't have to convince me Oct 08 16:20:54 <PuffTheMagic> then rmeove the tmpfs Oct 08 16:21:57 <PuffTheMagic> who cares what he wants to do then Oct 08 16:23:30 <PuffTheMagic> the ipkg service dont need to be hardcoded to /var either Oct 08 16:24:20 <dBsooner-work> wait, what? Oct 08 16:24:25 <dBsooner-work> He doesn't install to /var? Oct 08 16:24:40 <dBsooner-work> PuffTheMagic: that's a good idea there Oct 08 16:24:49 <dBsooner-work> PuffTheMagic: add it as a variable Oct 08 16:24:58 <egaudet> i care what he does because if it is done outside of autopatch mechanisms it interferes with patches Oct 08 16:25:00 <dBsooner-work> PuffTheMagic: a switch to allow /usr or /var Oct 08 16:25:08 <PuffTheMagic> no switch Oct 08 16:25:12 <PuffTheMagic> just a path Oct 08 16:25:30 <dBsooner-work> ipkg -o /usr Oct 08 16:25:30 <dBsooner-work> :D Oct 08 16:25:44 <dBsooner-work> but really you don't need offline root mode to install to /usr do you? Oct 08 16:26:04 <PuffTheMagic> using -o yes Oct 08 16:26:06 <egaudet> we don't need to leave /var Oct 08 16:26:10 <egaudet> it's not like /usr is bigger Oct 08 16:26:28 <egaudet> we need to A) leave /var/usr/palm/applications ... Oct 08 16:26:35 <egaudet> and that's it Oct 08 16:26:51 <egaudet> so -o /var/<somewhereelse> Oct 08 16:26:54 <dBsooner-work> but He doesn't want to? Oct 08 16:27:12 <dBsooner-work> oh.. i see Oct 08 16:27:21 <egaudet> doesn't want to what? Oct 08 16:27:22 <egaudet> who Oct 08 16:27:23 <dBsooner-work> the ipk would extract the contents to /var Oct 08 16:27:34 <dBsooner-work> and he wants them extracted somewhere else ebfore install Oct 08 16:27:42 <dBsooner-work> so it doens't take up more room than it should in /var Oct 08 16:28:27 <PuffTheMagic> so where does he want his preinstall tmp dir to be? Oct 08 16:28:55 <egaudet> He is doing it via extracting the zip to / I believe, so the images go to where they need to be Oct 08 16:29:26 <egaudet> he doesn't want the images to first get extracted to /var because he says he's worried about the size of /var with users approaching the partition limit Oct 08 16:29:41 <dBsooner-work> so why can't we just havce ipk install images where they need to be and then delete the tmp files used? Oct 08 16:29:43 <egaudet> but I don't know that anyone is realyl approaching the partition limit rather than the arbitrary palm app catalog limit Oct 08 16:29:58 <PuffTheMagic> we could check for free space first Oct 08 16:30:06 <egaudet> we? Oct 08 16:30:07 <dBsooner-work> egaudet: He needs to get his facts better on that.. I have installed damn near everythign and haven't come close to my limit. Oct 08 16:30:09 <egaudet> it's not we Oct 08 16:30:11 <egaudet> this is 100% QI Oct 08 16:30:21 <egaudet> we use ipk Oct 08 16:30:22 <dBsooner-work> no Oct 08 16:30:30 <PuffTheMagic> thought he was gonna be using ipks Oct 08 16:30:32 <dBsooner-work> if we want him to use ipk, we might have to change a thing or two Oct 08 16:30:36 <dBsooner-work> or "add support" for.. Oct 08 16:30:42 <egaudet> PuffTheMagic, not for themes Oct 08 16:30:50 <egaudet> that's my point, I want someone to convince him to use ipk Oct 08 16:31:01 <dBsooner-work> agreed Oct 08 16:31:11 <dBsooner-work> but can we do that with postinst sciripts? Oct 08 16:31:15 <dBsooner-work> junk the temp stuff? Oct 08 16:31:20 <PuffTheMagic> yeah of course Oct 08 16:31:29 <dBsooner-work> or extract to /tmp Oct 08 16:31:41 <dBsooner-work> can you make ipkg extract to /tmp? Oct 08 16:31:42 <PuffTheMagic> where ever you set -o to Oct 08 16:31:51 <dBsooner-work> hey AnOutsider ! Oct 08 16:31:58 <AnOutsider> ello Oct 08 16:32:03 <dBsooner-work> I have something for you.. more so a demand? Oct 08 16:32:12 <AnOutsider> is that an exclamation mark or are you just happy to see me? Oct 08 16:32:18 <dBsooner-work> both Oct 08 16:32:23 <AnOutsider> sweet Oct 08 16:32:23 <dBsooner-work> readyh? Oct 08 16:32:29 <AnOutsider> nope Oct 08 16:32:31 <dBsooner-work> k Oct 08 16:32:44 <AnOutsider> lol whats up Oct 08 16:32:46 <dBsooner-work> How about prethemer uses ipk installs for themes. Oct 08 16:32:58 <dBsooner-work> we will helkp you get it setup right so everythign builds nicely Oct 08 16:33:11 <dBsooner-work> We are trying to make everything streamlined. :D Oct 08 16:33:18 <AnOutsider> I'm confused. Oct 08 16:33:35 <dBsooner-work> the "more so a demand" would be, "you're gonna do this" Oct 08 16:33:36 <egaudet> dBsooner-work, they use ipk already Oct 08 16:33:39 <dBsooner-work> i know Oct 08 16:33:41 <dBsooner-work> but patches Oct 08 16:33:41 <dBsooner-work> ;) Oct 08 16:34:19 <egaudet> and back to the extract ipk to /tmp I say no Oct 08 16:34:27 <AnOutsider> I've already discussed patches vs sed, and I believe egaudet agreed that my method worked better Oct 08 16:34:43 <AnOutsider> sed replacements (especially with css) works better than a patch does IMO Oct 08 16:34:46 <dBsooner-work> thanks egaudet ! Oct 08 16:34:54 <egaudet> for themes (only 1 at a time) if space is really an issue just compress it within the ipk (re: dBsooner-work jason) Oct 08 16:34:56 <dBsooner-work> Throwing me under the bus when you already said sed was better. Oct 08 16:35:22 <egaudet> I said sed works for being more compatible than overwrites Oct 08 16:35:30 <egaudet> but still not 100% compatible with autopatch Oct 08 16:35:32 <dBsooner-work> egaudet: this one is your to rebute Oct 08 16:35:53 <dBsooner-work> AnOutsider: we really want eveyhing to get compatible with autopatch Oct 08 16:35:58 <AnOutsider> agreed, there's no compatibility with autopatch, but it also works better across versions than a standard patch would IMO Oct 08 16:36:09 <egaudet> only in extreme edge cases Oct 08 16:36:12 <dBsooner-work> and vica versa.. it would make your themes compatible with autopatch as well Oct 08 16:36:18 <AnOutsider> the only thing I'd say is that perhaps, as eric suggested, I "unsed" on removal instead of restoring the css Oct 08 16:36:41 <egaudet> but if a theme is installed (using sed), and then a patch touches those files, the patch backs up those files that are already modified with sed Oct 08 16:36:52 <egaudet> when the user goes to use EPR it will recover the sed modified files Oct 08 16:36:59 <AnOutsider> As already mentioned, very few themes actually need to alter CSS or Js files, so switching allt hemes to using autopatch would be kind of silly Oct 08 16:37:01 <egaudet> and they will get into extremely weird issues they can't understand Oct 08 16:37:31 <egaudet> AnOutsider, actually there are many themes that are beginning to modify css/js, all over the precentral gallery Oct 08 16:37:40 <dBsooner-work> AnOutsider: with the addition of Jason's theme builder, there are going to be many more using css/js alters Oct 08 16:37:50 <dBsooner-work> precentral is FULL of them Oct 08 16:37:51 <egaudet> global theming can't be done with image replacement Oct 08 16:37:52 <dBsooner-work> I mean FULLLLL Oct 08 16:38:09 <egaudet> s/replacement/replacement alone Oct 08 16:38:10 <egaudet> s/replacement/replacement alone/ Oct 08 16:38:11 <infobot> egaudet meant: s/replacement alone/replacement alone Oct 08 16:38:16 <dBsooner-work> lol Oct 08 16:38:19 <egaudet> lol Oct 08 16:38:23 * dBsooner-work slaps infobot. Oct 08 16:38:29 <egaudet> ~hitstick Oct 08 16:38:38 <sugardave> s/infobot/is a dork Oct 08 16:38:43 <sugardave> dammit Oct 08 16:40:03 <AnOutsider> I'm referring ones uploaded to prethemer Oct 08 16:40:12 <AnOutsider> I mean, what has changes since we last talked about this eric? Oct 08 16:40:33 <dBsooner-work> AnOutsider: autopatch is going public.. Oct 08 16:40:37 <AnOutsider> also, doing this method, wouldn't that limit the compatibility with users just dragging ipk files into WOQI? Oct 08 16:41:08 <dBsooner-work> AnOutsider: how? Oct 08 16:41:09 <AnOutsider> dBsooner: not the point. We had this conversation already and discussed the pros/cons.. Oct 08 16:41:21 <AnOutsider> how what? Oct 08 16:41:55 <dBsooner-work> AnOutsider: how would it limit the compatibility? Oct 08 16:42:28 <AnOutsider> on postinstall of an ipk, would WOQI install/setup patches? Oct 08 16:42:32 <dBsooner-work> and I understand you two already had the discussion. I just wanted to bring it up again because I still feel its necessary. Oct 08 16:42:51 <dBsooner-work> AnOutsider: if he used the ipkgservice, yes. Oct 08 16:42:52 <AnOutsider> OK, as I said, what has changed since that conversation? Other than it going public? Oct 08 16:43:07 <egaudet> AnOutsider, it seems to me after hearing some comments from a theme designer or 2, that they go to precentral's theme builder vs. prethemer when they want to modify more global attributes in css/js etc.. Oct 08 16:43:25 <dBsooner-work> egaudet: I have heard the same. Oct 08 16:43:31 <egaudet> also this method would still be ipk Oct 08 16:43:43 <dBsooner-work> egaudet: because they have more ocntrol over the entire userspace Oct 08 16:44:01 <egaudet> Theming is far more than images in a web browser (which is really what webos is) Oct 08 16:44:15 <egaudet> but that is besides the point Oct 08 16:44:25 * dBsooner-work is happy with images in a web browser and HATES css/js replacement/patches. Oct 08 16:44:37 <egaudet> I am firm belief that any text file modifications should be standardized, of which we have the autopatch foundation Oct 08 16:44:51 <AnOutsider> I know many do, and I speak with many of theme about common tweaks they'd like added Oct 08 16:45:07 <AnOutsider> if you recall I was the one originally AGAINST css/js file transfers int heme builder precisely because of the issues they caused Oct 08 16:45:16 <AnOutsider> which is why I did include certain tweaks with SED Oct 08 16:45:29 <egaudet> AnOutsider, right but that will always be limited. You can't predict the future or see all possible uses Oct 08 16:45:43 <egaudet> AnOutsider, this is not about css/js transfers Oct 08 16:46:04 <egaudet> it is about the ability to modify STYLE sheets for theming in an interoperable user friendly mechanism Oct 08 16:46:05 <dBsooner-work> correct egaudet. I am simply bringing this up because the "future" looks like will be more control over the entire userspace Oct 08 16:46:20 <dBsooner-work> and simple sed replacements won't guaruntee compatibility like a patch would. Oct 08 16:47:01 <AnOutsider> however, as we discussed, sed is more flexible than patches no? Oct 08 16:47:27 <AnOutsider> I mean what happens if someone already isntalled tweaks to a file, then a theme comes in. The way you explaine dit to me eric, with major line changes the change could be skipped Oct 08 16:48:01 <egaudet> not skipped Oct 08 16:48:11 <egaudet> but they could conflict Oct 08 16:48:14 <AnOutsider> how is WOQI handling these changes anyway? Oct 08 16:48:24 <AnOutsider> I thought css/js file transferring was being removed? Oct 08 16:48:27 <egaudet> and conflicting changes would simply "fail to install" Oct 08 16:48:32 <AnOutsider> I've asked Jason twice and he hasn't answered Oct 08 16:48:44 <egaudet> AnOutsider, theme builder is changing to create patches rather than overwrites Oct 08 16:48:45 <AnOutsider> and "failure" leads ot th e same as skipped no? Oct 08 16:48:50 <AnOutsider> the change/tweak wouldnt be applied Oct 08 16:48:51 <dBsooner-work> he is going to use patches Oct 08 16:48:57 <egaudet> AnOutsider, the entire theme wouldn't apply Oct 08 16:49:06 <dBsooner-work> failure means, theme doesn't get installed. Oct 08 16:49:12 <AnOutsider> so someone adds a whole css file and then tis converted to a patch? Oct 08 16:49:17 <egaudet> a theme, like other patches is just a "package" Oct 08 16:49:23 <egaudet> either the whole thing can install or it doesn't Oct 08 16:49:52 <egaudet> AnOutsider, I think that may be how he will handle it (extracting from doctor, creating patch etc..) Oct 08 16:50:05 <egaudet> but I believe the theme builder is run locally on their machine? I don't know Oct 08 16:50:16 <AnOutsider> It is.. Oct 08 16:50:18 <egaudet> I'm not concerned with the method to get to the final point, I'm concerned with the end Oct 08 16:51:37 <egaudet> (makes note that a "patch generator" PC application is a good idea) Oct 08 16:52:04 <AnOutsider> I still feel the same as the last way we talked Oct 08 16:52:22 <egaudet> You are thinking only inside the world of themes though Oct 08 16:52:29 <egaudet> I am thinking in the world of the user's entire pre experience Oct 08 16:52:34 <AnOutsider> Which is what I deal with Oct 08 16:52:59 <egaudet> If everyone went their own ways with what they specifically deal with, it would be anightmare Oct 08 16:53:12 <egaudet> part of the reason for the packaging standards Oct 08 16:53:13 <AnOutsider> lol Oct 08 16:53:26 <AnOutsider> that's rich. seeing how I'm the one who has been pushing hard for a standardization of theme installing Oct 08 16:53:44 <AnOutsider> I didn't see anyone backing that back with WOQI 2.5 until everyone started fucking up their Pres Oct 08 16:53:55 <egaudet> "backing that back"? Oct 08 16:54:09 <egaudet> I've been working on a standardization for text file modification for a long time Oct 08 16:54:28 <egaudet> if themes are now starting to do text file modifications, they have entered this world and I think should work with this system Oct 08 16:55:25 <egaudet> I've had talks with Jason as well, and am trying to convince him to go from zip+.patch to ipk Oct 08 17:02:15 <AnOutsider> what's up with delz and the payment? Oct 08 17:02:23 <AnOutsider> meh, wrong window Oct 08 17:07:00 <egaudet> AnOutsider, anything else to add to the discussion? Oct 08 17:07:08 <egaudet> s/else/more Oct 08 17:08:43 <AnOutsider> not really Oct 08 17:09:05 <egaudet> still set in your sed methods? Oct 08 17:09:15 <AnOutsider> if you convince jason to actually standardize and start using a standard format, then I'll be more than happy to change things up Oct 08 17:09:29 <AnOutsider> but completely changing the install method now just seems like a pointless exercise Oct 08 17:09:36 <egaudet> what does prethemer have to do with Jason? Oct 08 17:10:01 <AnOutsider> now if we want to find a way to get the sedding process to work ebtter with patching great Oct 08 17:10:06 <AnOutsider> well you mentioned trying to get the standard to change Oct 08 17:10:09 <egaudet> there is a standard format for packages (ipk) and a releasing standard for modifying text files (autopatch) Oct 08 17:10:24 <egaudet> how is this completely changing the install method? Oct 08 17:10:38 <egaudet> it would be the same thing except patching over sedding Oct 08 17:11:15 <egaudet> I'm trying to convince the 2 major theme players to agree with using the standards Oct 08 17:11:18 <egaudet> not change anything Oct 08 17:11:34 <dBsooner-work> s/I'm/We Goose/ Oct 08 17:11:43 <egaudet> well I guess you can consider the creation of the autopatch standard as "changing" Oct 08 17:11:54 <egaudet> but there was no modification standard before it Oct 08 17:12:54 <AnOutsider> agreed, but as discussed, the patches are a tad more finicky, but that aside, using the patch postinst vs normal postinst seems pointless when most themes (on my site) do not edit those files Oct 08 17:13:15 <AnOutsider> do you see what I mean there? It's like using a tractor trailor to haul a baseball cap Oct 08 17:13:43 <egaudet> I do not think you SHOULD use autopatch scripts when not modifying text files Oct 08 17:13:47 <dBsooner-work> AnOutsider: but the thing is.. wouldn't it be more appealing to a theme creator to be ABLE to modify more of those files? Oct 08 17:13:47 <egaudet> never suggested that Oct 08 17:14:13 <dBsooner-work> And patching is as stable as you make it. Oct 08 17:14:21 <AnOutsider> eric, in our previous convo you did. I asked would it be ok to use normal psotinst, and hen use the patch postinst when modifying text to sort of seperte it Oct 08 17:14:52 <AnOutsider> dBsooner, mayhap, but honestly, aside from a few tweaks I know of few themers that actually WANT to dive into the CSS/Js Oct 08 17:15:16 <AnOutsider> nor do I think it's a great idea. Designers are not typically developers and I've seen a NUMBER of effed js/css files from themes that altered those files Oct 08 17:15:17 <dBsooner-work> Precentral's feed says otherwise AnOutsider . Oct 08 17:15:24 <AnOutsider> hence why I tried to come up with a more sane way to handle that Oct 08 17:15:28 <AnOutsider> sigh Oct 08 17:15:30 <egaudet> CSS is for designers Oct 08 17:15:39 <egaudet> web designers aren't really "developers" Oct 08 17:15:40 <dBsooner-work> CSS/HTML is designers Oct 08 17:15:46 <dBsooner-work> and ALOT want to modify the CSS/HTML's Oct 08 17:15:55 <dBsooner-work> not so much the JS's. Oct 08 17:15:55 <AnOutsider> dBsooner, how many of those alter anything beyond the standard tweaks I mentioned? Oct 08 17:15:59 <AnOutsider> Did you not read what I said? Oct 08 17:16:08 <AnOutsider> Allowing hem to alter ENTIRE files is insane IMO Oct 08 17:16:16 <egaudet> Check out flash of black and red Oct 08 17:16:18 <AnOutsider> common shit like carrier text, color of the text, background etc Oct 08 17:16:20 <egaudet> it modifies a lot of css files Oct 08 17:16:25 <AnOutsider> I know about Abyssul's theme Oct 08 17:16:32 <egaudet> and themes are still relatively new Oct 08 17:16:39 <AnOutsider> and I told him that was a bad idea, I've seen a number of things Oct 08 17:16:45 <egaudet> CSS is going to play a big part in themeing Oct 08 17:16:45 <dBsooner-work> a lot of themes modify the messaging app's layout Oct 08 17:16:48 <egaudet> for instance take palm's "dark" themes Oct 08 17:16:54 <dBsooner-work> which is modifying the css/html of messaging app Oct 08 17:16:55 <AnOutsider> ok listen, I'm not going to get into this debate, because it's a bti silly Oct 08 17:16:55 <AnOutsider> you guys do not deal in themes daily Oct 08 17:16:58 <egaudet> it's all CSS Oct 08 17:17:06 <AnOutsider> You hear from a handful of experienced themers, and to those I tell them sure go ahead Oct 08 17:17:13 <egaudet> :sigh: Oct 08 17:17:17 <dBsooner-work> but we deal with text replacement daily Oct 08 17:17:19 <dBsooner-work> and you don't. Oct 08 17:17:25 <AnOutsider> dbSooner, and prethemer does the same Oct 08 17:17:31 <AnOutsider> again, "common tweaks" Oct 08 17:17:35 <egaudet> I understand what themes ARE, it does not matter what themes do today, we are looking forwar Oct 08 17:17:37 <egaudet> forward* Oct 08 17:17:38 <AnOutsider> can you please excuse yourself from the conversation Oct 08 17:17:50 <AnOutsider> Ok and we now return to many lines up Oct 08 17:17:52 <dBsooner-work> Ha.. So be it. Oct 08 17:18:01 <AnOutsider> [13:12] <AnOutsider> agreed, but as discussed, the patches are a tad more finicky, but that aside, using the patch postinst vs normal postinst seems pointless when most themes (on my site) do not edit those files[13:13] <AnOutsider> do you see what I mean there? It's like using a tractor trailor to haul a baseball cap Oct 08 17:18:13 <AnOutsider> thank you, you were complicating something simple Oct 08 17:18:36 <dBsooner-work> no, sir, YOU are complicating it. Oct 08 17:18:41 <AnOutsider> as I was saying, when we first discussed it, you didnt convey to me that I could simply continue using normal postinst for themes that do no modifications Oct 08 17:18:50 <AnOutsider> dBsooner: ok, thank you for your input. Oct 08 17:18:52 <egaudet> again I never suggested using autopatch scripts when NOT modifying css/text files Oct 08 17:19:11 <egaudet> ok well I apologize for not making that clear Oct 08 17:19:19 <dBsooner-work> AnOutsider: thank you for being an ass. Oct 08 17:19:34 <egaudet> I meant to only indicate that themes with ONLY image replacement that use a different script will be unseen by EPR Oct 08 17:19:37 <egaudet> which I am 100% ok with Oct 08 17:19:46 <AnOutsider> "egaudet: no that's fine. I mean there are a few ways you can choose to handle it. I think the most maintainable way would be to use the generic postinst/prerm from the patching and do the image replacement/backups in the postinst_extra prerm_extra scripts that the patch scripts will automatically call if they exist." Oct 08 17:19:50 <AnOutsider> then I mustve misunderstoo that Oct 08 17:19:58 <AnOutsider> dBsooner: you are welcome Oct 08 17:20:17 <AnOutsider> but OK, if I misunderstood that, then so be it Oct 08 17:20:36 <AnOutsider> This is why I like handling these things directly instead of having a bunch of babbling going on in the background interrupting the flow of conversation Oct 08 17:20:36 <egaudet> Yes I meant that method only with themes including text modifications Oct 08 17:20:52 <egaudet> for pure image replacement, that is completely out of the autopatch scope and will not confclit with anything Oct 08 17:21:25 <AnOutsider> thank you Oct 08 17:22:08 <egaudet> but anytime a text file change comes into play it enters the autopatch world, which is what I hope to get you and Jason to agree to this standard so that EPR will not put users into some really weird states when things go haywire and they need to use EPR Oct 08 17:23:16 <AnOutsider> if a theme is installed, and someone runs EPR, doesnt that mean the css changes will be removed while the theme will remain in place? Oct 08 17:24:57 <egaudet> if a theme gets installed and modifies the css, then patches get installed, then the theme is uninstalled, then EPR is run, the user gets the theme modified CSS files Oct 08 17:25:07 <egaudet> (assuming the theme css changes were outside of autopatch's scope) Oct 08 17:25:23 <AnOutsider> right, that's what would happen currently (with sed changes) Oct 08 17:25:32 <egaudet> also if patches get installed, then theme gets installed which sed's csss, then EPR runs, the theme is installed but CSS reverted Oct 08 17:25:33 <AnOutsider> now, if a theme were modified to make changes with autopatch Oct 08 17:26:01 <AnOutsider> then EPR is run, that would mean changes like text color etc would be removed, but image files kept in place right? Oct 08 17:26:01 <egaudet> now if a theme were modified to autopatch scope, EPR would remove the theme entirely Oct 08 17:26:28 <AnOutsider> so EPR runs the prerm script as well as the apatch prerm? Oct 08 17:26:54 <egaudet> no Oct 08 17:27:16 <egaudet> EPR uses /var/usr/lib/.webosinternals.patches/ area to find out what the files backed up are, and package names Oct 08 17:27:22 <AnOutsider> So how would the theme be removed? Oct 08 17:27:26 <egaudet> will ipkg -o /var remove package names and restore from backup files Oct 08 17:27:33 <AnOutsider> well here's where I'm confused Oct 08 17:27:37 <AnOutsider> hang on a second Oct 08 17:27:48 <AnOutsider> theme is installed. images are backed up and copied right? Oct 08 17:28:01 <AnOutsider> theme alters css/js and then that's stored as a patch Oct 08 17:28:05 <egaudet> ok so this is where we have an "opening" to design/discuss Oct 08 17:28:12 <AnOutsider> EPR is run which removes only patches Oct 08 17:28:17 <AnOutsider> theme images remain correct? Oct 08 17:28:49 <egaudet> it depends how the image replacement and backups are handled, but strictly yes Oct 08 17:29:21 <egaudet> however images could be added to the world that EPR understands Oct 08 17:29:22 <AnOutsider> so if the ENTIRE theme's postinst is done in the patch's postinst and prerm, then it would also remove the theme right? Oct 08 17:29:39 <AnOutsider> How would that affect current installations of themes and how the themes install currently? Oct 08 17:29:51 <egaudet> it wouldn't Oct 08 17:29:56 <AnOutsider> i.e. preload, preware and ipks via WOQI, would they still function the same Oct 08 17:30:08 <egaudet> they should yes Oct 08 17:30:37 <egaudet> although our autobuilder handles the ipk generation from precentral zip gallery, so we can modify that how we please Oct 08 17:30:55 <egaudet> as long as we keep the compatibility with QI xml stuff I guess Oct 08 17:31:48 <AnOutsider> so if I changed from postinst to postinst_extra right this second, all themes would still install the same right this second? Oct 08 17:32:10 <egaudet> all past generated ipk's aren't modified Oct 08 17:32:19 <egaudet> they still do whatever they do (including sed etc...) Oct 08 17:32:33 <AnOutsider> right, but I mean if the ipk were changed right this second Oct 08 17:32:42 <AnOutsider> (changes to ipks means ipks on the site are regenerated) Oct 08 17:32:58 <egaudet> if the ipk were changed then the install would now run the change dpostinst Oct 08 17:33:05 <egaudet> but the prerm are on the pre for any already installed themes Oct 08 17:33:11 <AnOutsider> no no Oct 08 17:33:18 <AnOutsider> what I mean is, will the postinst_extra run? Oct 08 17:33:43 <egaudet> if you used the autopatch postinst and put postinst_extra into the "app dir" yes Oct 08 17:34:22 <egaudet> EPR could be modified to run prerm_extra which would handle the image stuff Oct 08 17:34:24 <AnOutsider> Ok, that's all I'm trying to figure otu. Is that if I made the change right this second would the ipks install fine on WOQI, preware etc Oct 08 17:34:41 <AnOutsider> that's my main concern. Is this something that would require updates to current installers Oct 08 17:34:49 <egaudet> nope Oct 08 17:34:56 <egaudet> installers just extract ipk and run postinst Oct 08 17:35:07 <egaudet> all this autopatch mechanism is handled in postinst Oct 08 17:35:14 <AnOutsider> ok, so it's fromt he postinst that autopatch is actually called Oct 08 17:35:19 <AnOutsider> ok gotcha, that was never explained Oct 08 17:35:36 <egaudet> autopatch is just the defining name, it's not really "something" more like a standard of patch controls Oct 08 17:35:38 <egaudet> control* Oct 08 17:36:40 <AnOutsider> Ok perhaps this would be easier if the patching process was just outlined Oct 08 17:36:48 <AnOutsider> is this on the WI wiki yet or still a WIP? Oct 08 17:37:03 <egaudet> so the image thing is a good point, if you changed over and did image backup/replacement in the _extra scripts, then I could change EPR to do all the patch stuff from the control area and run prerm_extra maybe Oct 08 17:37:18 <egaudet> not documented yet Oct 08 17:37:24 <egaudet> I can explain it though Oct 08 17:37:58 <egaudet> so each package contains one .patch file Oct 08 17:37:59 <AnOutsider> yeah that's a big issue there. If file moving/replacement is not going to be done by EPR, EPR could cause some issues Oct 08 17:38:03 <AnOutsider> ok Oct 08 17:38:28 <egaudet> the .patch is copied to /var/usr/lib/.webosinternals-patches/ Oct 08 17:38:57 <egaudet> this directory contains (or will contain after first patch installation) 2 files "backups" and "packages" Oct 08 17:39:27 <egaudet> packages is a list of ipk package names that were installed with autopatch postinst Oct 08 17:39:54 <AnOutsider> this would liekly contain like com.prethemer.themes.92839384 right Oct 08 17:40:01 <AnOutsider> basically, the name of the theme installed Oct 08 17:40:03 <egaudet> backups is a list of any text file changed by a patch in autopatch Oct 08 17:40:15 <egaudet> yep Oct 08 17:40:29 <AnOutsider> ok got that Oct 08 17:40:38 <egaudet> these files in "backups" are backed up only the first time an autopatch touches it Oct 08 17:40:48 <egaudet> and are backed up in place with suffix .webosinternals.orig Oct 08 17:41:09 <JayCanuck> hi all Oct 08 17:41:30 <egaudet> when a file is unpatched the result is checked against this backup orig file, if the result of unpatch matches then the backup is removed and removed from backups file list Oct 08 17:41:32 <egaudet> hey Jason Oct 08 17:41:34 <JayCanuck> quick question for those with legal knowledge out there Oct 08 17:42:15 <JayCanuck> including a gpl v2 binary embedded in your program that's closed source is a no-no, right? Oct 08 17:42:17 <egaudet> AnOutsider, so the state of the control area is always that the packages contains all currently installed autopatch packages and backups contain all currently patched files with a bckup Oct 08 17:43:34 <AnOutsider> hmm, sounds a bit confusing on how you handle just removing one thing etc, but thankfully, that's not something I have to concern myself with Oct 08 17:44:18 <AnOutsider> how are the patches generated and transported with the ipk? Oct 08 17:44:41 <AnOutsider> I think I remember you saying it's the result of a diff, so I'd need to generate it using a stock css file correct? Oct 08 17:44:41 <dBsooner-work> JayCanuck: I am not 100% sure, but confident it is a no no. Oct 08 17:44:50 <egaudet> Jason I think if you include a gpl v2 in your program you must distrubute the source of that Oct 08 17:45:02 <egaudet> if your work is derived from it, you must release your source as well Oct 08 17:45:13 <egaudet> but I do not have a great understanding of licensing and will defer to others Oct 08 17:45:31 <egaudet> AnOutsider, yes patches are generated with diff Oct 08 17:45:39 <egaudet> stock file vs. modified file Oct 08 17:46:14 <egaudet> Jason while you are here, we are talking about themes that touch css/js files Oct 08 17:46:17 <AnOutsider> ok, got a link on patch generation? Oct 08 17:47:23 <AnOutsider> as an aside: the Pre does A2DP no? Oct 08 17:47:31 <destinal> AnOutsider: yes Oct 08 17:47:31 <AnOutsider> I'm guessing my head unit doesn't Oct 08 17:48:45 <AnOutsider> figures Oct 08 17:51:39 <AnOutsider> eric, drop me a line with the link when you get a chance so I can check that out Oct 08 17:58:58 <egaudet> If someone made a desktop "webos patch generator" that allowed users to add their modified text files and created a .patch maybe that would help the patch developments.. Oct 08 18:12:07 <AnOutsider|SHWR> Sounds liek Jason's Territory Oct 08 18:13:11 <egaudet> open source Oct 08 18:13:22 <egaudet> :P Oct 08 18:16:03 <AnOutsider> heh Oct 08 18:16:11 <AnOutsider> well you know I'd do it, but it wouldn't be java Oct 08 18:16:37 <AnOutsider> I actually reached out to Jason about helping maybe get theme builder to generate ipks, would go a long way to interoperability, especially since css/js changes are patches now :) Oct 08 18:16:53 <AnOutsider> anyways though, gotta run out, will talk to you folks later. See ya dBsoooner Oct 08 18:16:59 <wh0dat> is it just my ears or do the palm pre earphones like to fall out easily! :/ Oct 08 18:17:32 <dBsooner-work> later AnOutsider|GAWN .. Thanks again. Tlak to you when your BAK Oct 08 18:18:23 <egaudet> awesome anoutsider, ttyl Oct 08 18:19:05 <egaudet> if it isn't java, you just gotta make it for multiple architectures that's all Oct 08 18:19:45 <AnOutsider|GAWN> right, we talked about that too. Don't know if it'll work though, that's not my area (com ports, I can do the other bit) Oct 08 18:19:53 <AnOutsider|GAWN> anywho, I really gotta go. I'm already gonna have to speed haha Oct 08 18:20:29 <egaudet> haha ok, ttyl Oct 08 18:20:41 <egaudet> and don't speed Oct 08 18:21:11 * egaudet goes to lunch Oct 08 18:26:54 <en0x> hmm Oct 08 18:27:39 <en0x> is there a possibility that someone can send an alpha page to my pre? Oct 08 18:28:14 <nt4cats> en0x: alpha page? Oct 08 18:29:24 <nt4cats> en0x: If that is the same thing as a TXT message, then sure. Oct 08 18:37:02 <en0x> well Oct 08 18:37:08 <en0x> i dont know thats the poing Oct 08 18:39:14 <en0x> well from what i googled alpha page is a text message Oct 08 18:39:15 <en0x> hmm Oct 08 18:39:34 <nt4cats> en0x: I sent you a TXT a few minutes back Oct 08 18:39:34 <HattCzech> usually a bit shorter... just FYI Oct 08 18:40:02 <HattCzech> actually, they might be longer... :/ i'm not sure anymore Oct 08 18:40:26 <nt4cats> en0x: sorry that I walked in mid-topic ... but if you don't know what an alpha page is, why do you want one (or how do you know you want one)? Oct 08 18:41:04 <en0x> welkl we have beepers at work Oct 08 18:41:14 <en0x> and we send alpha pages to the beepers Oct 08 18:41:25 <HattCzech> yeah, those are text messages :) Oct 08 18:41:29 <en0x> I was wondering if I can have the alpha pages forwarded to my phone instead to a beeper Oct 08 18:41:37 <HattCzech> yes you can Oct 08 18:41:55 <HattCzech> you'd have to talk to whoever manages the paging system, though Oct 08 18:42:25 <en0x> yes the guys who manages seats in the next cubicle ;) Oct 08 18:42:37 <HattCzech> then there ya go :) Oct 08 18:43:06 <HattCzech> i know there might be some configuration issues... when i had that setup for work... sometimes it wouldn't always work on the cell phone, or it got delayed Oct 08 18:43:30 <en0x> thanks guys Oct 08 18:43:40 <HattCzech> no problem Oct 08 18:43:49 <HattCzech> that's the reason i designed txt manager Oct 08 18:44:13 <en0x> i took a look at the first version Oct 08 18:44:26 <en0x> and then i abendoned it Oct 08 18:44:27 <en0x> :P Oct 08 18:44:45 <HattCzech> heheh, i don't blame you, there are still some things i'd like to fix... like running in the background Oct 08 18:44:49 <en0x> s/abendoned/abandoned Oct 08 18:44:57 <HattCzech> now i've got it working for MMS and e-mail addresses Oct 08 18:44:58 <en0x> HattCzech: yeah thats what mostly blew me off Oct 08 18:45:15 <en0x> but anyway nice work Oct 08 18:45:24 <HattCzech> it's at least a dashboard icon right now, but still somewhat annoying Oct 08 19:12:11 <Wiz1999> Not sure if anyone is active here right now...Had a curiousity question...anyone know what "ipkg -o /var list" would show apps that are no longer installed? Oct 08 19:14:34 <PuffTheMagic_> god damn broke my xorg Oct 08 19:20:16 <mikewx> my pre just told me there is a system update. i'm runnign 1.2.1....have i been under a rock somewherE? Oct 08 19:21:03 <mikewx> funky. it's the 1.2.1 update Oct 08 19:21:10 <mikewx> but i'm running that~ pre.confused++; Oct 08 19:23:09 <egaudet> Wiz1999,why it shows them ? Oct 08 19:23:51 <en0x> looks like gnomes dont like you mikewx Oct 08 19:23:59 <mikewx> indeed Oct 08 19:30:36 <egaudet> mike have you used any tweaks, patches, themes etc... Oct 08 19:44:04 <mikewx> yes, but not much. i have the 4x4 icon patch adn the notification led Oct 08 19:44:12 <mikewx> and launcher add/remove pages Oct 08 19:44:14 <mikewx> i think that's it Oct 08 19:45:03 <mikewx> a friend of mine tells me that tehre is some crc and if it doesn't match the os willd ownload a full new image for me, and that I may have tripped that failsafe Oct 08 19:49:04 <egaudet> yea we have to figure out what triggers it Oct 08 19:49:46 <mikewx> my friend at palm's not an engineer so i'm afraid i can't be much help on that Oct 08 20:00:50 <Wiz1999> egaudet...yes..why, sorry...typo Oct 08 20:01:20 <egaudet> list will list everything in the feed Oct 08 20:01:27 <egaudet> list_installed lists everything installed Oct 08 20:02:12 <Wiz1999> Ah...I'm an idiot...thanks Oct 08 20:03:41 <Wiz1999> mikewx: I'm on my third 1.2.1 update :) Oct 08 20:04:01 <mikewx> that's gonna get annoying quick Oct 08 20:04:07 <Wiz1999> indeed Oct 08 20:04:12 <mikewx> we need to find/disable..er fix that crc check Oct 08 20:04:25 <nt4cats> mike: there's always the doctor ... Oct 08 20:04:54 <mikewx> it's not been updated to 1.2.1 yet. i dl'ed this morning to check (for otehr reasons) Oct 08 20:05:10 <mikewx> and then after you apply patches, possibly same situation Oct 08 20:09:17 <Abyssul> What about http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/ash994djslspam356z/s2x56ydt/webosdoctorp100ewwsprint.jar Oct 08 20:10:47 <dBsooner-work> what's the md5 of that? Oct 08 20:10:53 <dBsooner-work> and/or size? Oct 08 20:11:10 <mikewx> the one i downloaded this morning had md5 of 1.2.1 Oct 08 20:11:19 <Abyssul> im downloading it now Oct 08 20:11:23 <Abyssul> Ill tell you in 4 mins Oct 08 20:20:03 <Abyssul> http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/ash994djslspam356z/s2x56ydt/webosdoctorp100ewwsprint.jar Oct 08 20:20:05 <Abyssul> oops Oct 08 20:20:10 <Abyssul> 93c3f106b7a7e5ef572465dcb4488e1c Oct 08 20:22:14 <mikewx> that is 1.2.1 Oct 08 20:22:22 <Abyssul> Mmm:) Oct 08 20:22:27 <mikewx> er sorr Oct 08 20:22:32 <mikewx> that is 1.2.0 Oct 08 20:22:36 <mikewx> wiki has md5 Oct 08 20:22:37 <Abyssul> No bueno :( Oct 08 20:22:56 <mikewx> i was being stupid earlier, i hit the 1 isned of the 0 Oct 08 20:23:18 <nt4cats> 1 and 0 are right next to each other ... Oct 08 20:26:18 <dBsooner-work> what was that md5? Oct 08 20:26:27 <dBsooner-work> 4488e1cx? Oct 08 20:26:37 <nt4cats> (04:20:10 PM) Abyssul: 93c3f106b7a7e5ef572465dcb4488e1c Oct 08 20:26:44 <dBsooner-work> 1.2.0? Oct 08 20:26:58 <dBsooner-work> I need 1.2.1 too Oct 08 20:27:00 <nt4cats> (04:22:32 PM) mikewx: that is 1.2.0 Oct 08 20:27:01 <nt4cats> (04:22:36 PM) mikewx: wiki has md5 Oct 08 20:27:05 <dBsooner-work> lol Oct 08 20:27:10 <dBsooner-work> my screen has cleared Oct 08 20:27:13 <dBsooner-work> I missed all that Oct 08 20:27:30 * nt4cats 's powers of copy-and-paste are uncanny Oct 08 20:27:36 <dBsooner-work> I think I am going to extract 1.2.0 and extract the 1.2.1 update ipk's and overwrite Oct 08 20:38:26 <murbanci> can i ssh from the terminal app on the pre? Oct 08 20:38:34 <tlp> yes Oct 08 20:38:48 <murbanci> how do i set it up? i tried installing dropbear but it wont work Oct 08 20:43:48 <dBsooner-work> dropbear is a daemon Oct 08 20:44:01 <dBsooner-work> install openssh Oct 08 20:44:44 <dBsooner-work> let mer ephrase that.. openssh is a better daemon and is ssh client Oct 08 20:45:01 <murbanci> ok Oct 08 20:49:22 <dBsooner-work> do: /var/opt/bin/ipkg-opt update Oct 08 20:49:45 <dBsooner-work> then: /var/opt/bin/ipkg-opt -o /var/opt install openssh Oct 08 20:49:52 <punzada> <3 openssh Oct 08 20:49:53 <dBsooner-work> IIRC Oct 08 20:50:00 <dBsooner-work> I think that's right Oct 08 20:50:11 <dBsooner-work> It's been about oh... 3 months since I installed it Oct 08 20:50:12 <dBsooner-work> at least Oct 08 20:50:20 <dBsooner-work> maybe longer Oct 08 20:50:21 <punzada> um i think it's just -o /var isn't is? Oct 08 20:50:22 <egaudet> ipkg-opt install openssh i thought Oct 08 20:50:34 <dBsooner-work> ahh Oct 08 20:50:36 <dBsooner-work> that will work too Oct 08 20:50:43 <dBsooner-work> you don't have to set offline root mode? Oct 08 20:50:48 <murbanci> should i not install it through preware then? Oct 08 20:50:54 <dBsooner-work> or yuou could do that Oct 08 20:51:08 <egaudet> preware is awesome Oct 08 20:51:10 <murbanci> lol k thats what i just did, its restarting now Oct 08 20:51:12 <murbanci> yea i love it Oct 08 20:51:31 <dBsooner-work> dBsooner-work is awesome Oct 08 20:54:53 <egaudet> can i make my highlight/middle-mouse-button be copy/paste in windows? Oct 08 20:55:15 <Decimation> egaudet: im sure its possible. Oct 08 20:55:50 <murbanci> ok so its saying /bin/sh: ssh: not found Oct 08 20:55:55 <egaudet> better question is how Oct 08 20:56:19 <egaudet> murbanci, /var/usr/bin/ssh ? Oct 08 20:56:35 <Decimation> egaudet: ouch, google failed me. Oct 08 20:56:44 <murbanci> just says /bin/sh Oct 08 20:56:49 <dBsooner-work> or /var/opt/bin/ssh Oct 08 20:57:00 <murbanci> root@castle:/# ssh name@domain Oct 08 20:57:01 <egaudet> stupid windows Oct 08 20:57:03 <dBsooner-work> no.. try: /var/opt/bin/ssh Oct 08 20:57:08 <dBsooner-work> or /var/usr/bin/ssh Oct 08 20:58:36 <murbanci> root@castle:/var/opt/bin# /var/opt/bin/ssh me@domain.com Oct 08 20:58:39 <murbanci> nope Oct 08 20:58:49 <dBsooner-work> what about the other? Oct 08 20:58:53 <egaudet> ls /var/usr/bin Oct 08 20:58:57 <egaudet> find /var -name ssh Oct 08 20:59:34 <dBsooner-work> lol Oct 08 20:59:37 <dBsooner-work> oe not Oct 08 20:59:39 <dBsooner-work> or* Oct 08 21:00:04 <murbanci> sorry i got disconnected Oct 08 21:00:20 <murbanci> so /var/opt/bin has diffstat and patch Oct 08 21:00:41 <murbanci> nevermine /var/usr/bin has diffstat and patch Oct 08 21:01:37 <murbanci> var/opt/bin does but whenever i try to use it is says /bin/ssh: ssh: not found Oct 08 21:01:42 <SirWill> so I tried to uninstall quilt and some other things using ipkg-opt remove quilt perl libdb gdbm util-linux-ng e2fslibs ncursesw but it didn't work :( Oct 08 21:01:57 <SirWill> but I get bakc a no packages removed... Oct 08 21:02:29 <SirWill> I know quilt is installed... Anybody have any clue why it won't uninstall stuff? Yes I put the file system in RW mode Oct 08 21:03:08 <dBsooner-work> murbanci: find /var -name ssh Oct 08 21:03:22 <AnOutsider> afternoon golks Oct 08 21:03:24 <AnOutsider> folks too Oct 08 21:03:40 <murbanci> it says /var/opt/bin/ssh and /var/usr/lib/ipkg/alternatives/ssh Oct 08 21:04:08 <dBsooner-work> exactly Oct 08 21:04:23 <dBsooner-work> for some reason your /var/opt/bin is not in yoru path Oct 08 21:04:39 <murbanci> ok so how do i put it there? Oct 08 21:04:42 <dBsooner-work> just do: ln -s /var/opt/bin/ssh /var/usr/bin Oct 08 21:04:45 <dBsooner-work> just do: ln -s /var/opt/bin/ssh /var/usr/bin/ssh Oct 08 21:04:53 <murbanci> k Oct 08 21:04:56 <murbanci> hang on Oct 08 21:05:06 <dBsooner-work> do the 2nd one Oct 08 21:05:08 <dBsooner-work> not thefirst one Oct 08 21:05:10 <egaudet> /var/usr/bin is not in path Oct 08 21:05:15 <dBsooner-work> sure it is Oct 08 21:05:20 <egaudet> no Oct 08 21:05:26 <dBsooner-work> it was /var/bin Oct 08 21:05:33 <dBsooner-work> I was smoking some reefer hydro Oct 08 21:05:38 <dBsooner-work> murbanci: ! Oct 08 21:05:41 <murbanci> yea Oct 08 21:05:53 <dBsooner-work> murbanci: do: ln -s /var/usr/bin/ssh /var/bin/ssh Oct 08 21:06:04 <murbanci> k Oct 08 21:06:05 <dBsooner-work> grr Oct 08 21:06:05 <dBsooner-work> no Oct 08 21:06:10 <murbanci> lol ok Oct 08 21:06:10 <PuffTheMagic> no Oct 08 21:06:11 <PuffTheMagic> no Oct 08 21:06:19 <PuffTheMagic> add /var/bin to your path Oct 08 21:06:21 <dBsooner-work> PuffTheMagic: hush your mouth Oct 08 21:06:32 <dBsooner-work> you mean /var/opt/bin? Oct 08 21:06:37 <PuffTheMagic> sure or that Oct 08 21:06:49 <egaudet> .bashrc Oct 08 21:06:56 <dBsooner-work> but just setting PATH = doesn't do it Oct 08 21:07:38 <dBsooner-work> echo PATH=$PATH:/var/opt/vin > /var/home/root/.bashrc ? Oct 08 21:07:45 <dBsooner-work> (*since he in terminal) Oct 08 21:07:59 <dBsooner-work> not vin, bin.. damn i can't type today. Oct 08 21:08:21 <murbanci> so cho PATH=$PATH:/var/opt/vinbin > /var/home/root/.bashrc ? Oct 08 21:08:28 <murbanci> oops Oct 08 21:08:28 <murbanci> cho PATH=$PATH:/var/opt/vin > /var/home/root/.bashrc ? Oct 08 21:08:30 <murbanci> shit Oct 08 21:08:31 <dBsooner-work> hang on murbanci Oct 08 21:08:34 <dBsooner-work> PuffTheMagic: ! Oct 08 21:08:43 <PuffTheMagic> what Oct 08 21:08:49 <PuffTheMagic> omg Oct 08 21:08:50 <dBsooner-work> will what i put work? Oct 08 21:08:51 <PuffTheMagic> no Oct 08 21:08:53 <dBsooner-work> lol Oct 08 21:08:55 <PuffTheMagic> dont do that Oct 08 21:08:55 <dBsooner-work> sure it will Oct 08 21:09:05 <PuffTheMagic> dont do it Oct 08 21:09:07 <dBsooner-work> then you walk him through vi Oct 08 21:09:10 <dBsooner-work> cuz I don't know vi Oct 08 21:09:13 <PuffTheMagic> no i wont Oct 08 21:09:17 <PuffTheMagic> i have better solution Oct 08 21:09:36 <dBsooner-work> sed Oct 08 21:09:38 <dBsooner-work> :D Oct 08 21:09:52 <PuffTheMagic> no Oct 08 21:10:16 <PuffTheMagic> what path does he need Oct 08 21:10:20 <PuffTheMagic> /var/opt/bin? Oct 08 21:10:21 <dBsooner-work> export PATH= won't make it persistent will it? Oct 08 21:10:28 <PuffTheMagic> shhhhhhhhhh! Oct 08 21:10:32 <dBsooner-work> /var/opt/bin Oct 08 21:10:50 <egaudet> echo "PATH=${PATH}:/var/opt/bin" >> ~/.bashrc Oct 08 21:10:58 <egaudet> echo "export PATH" >> ~/.bashrc Oct 08 21:11:00 <dBsooner-work> see Oct 08 21:11:03 <dBsooner-work> same thing I put Oct 08 21:11:06 <PuffTheMagic> http://omploader.org/vMmk5cQ Oct 08 21:11:07 <PuffTheMagic> NO Oct 08 21:11:15 <PuffTheMagic> cd /etc/profile.d Oct 08 21:11:20 <PuffTheMagic> wget http://omploader.org/vMmk5cQ -O newpath Oct 08 21:11:26 <PuffTheMagic> source /etc/profile Oct 08 21:11:44 <PuffTheMagic> thats the right way Oct 08 21:12:00 <dBsooner-work> profile.d eh? Oct 08 21:12:00 <rwhitby> morning Oct 08 21:12:06 <dBsooner-work> murbanci: do what puffy says Oct 08 21:12:11 <dBsooner-work> morning rwhitby Oct 08 21:12:14 <dBsooner-work> But you're wayy past morning Oct 08 21:12:24 <murbanci> so wget then will it run on its own Oct 08 21:12:24 <egaudet> forget the right way :P Oct 08 21:12:27 <PuffTheMagic> puffy lol Oct 08 21:12:28 <dBsooner-work> or wait.. how's FRIDAY? Oct 08 21:12:39 <dBsooner-work> yes.. thats the -O option Oct 08 21:12:44 <murbanci> k Oct 08 21:12:46 <PuffTheMagic> run on its own? Oct 08 21:12:56 <PuffTheMagic> what do you mean Oct 08 21:13:19 <SirWill> Morning rwhitby Oct 08 21:13:23 <egaudet> "morning" Rod Oct 08 21:13:25 <murbanci> will it run the file or do i need to run what it downloads Oct 08 21:13:26 <dBsooner-work> the wget will execute Oct 08 21:13:31 <murbanci> ok Oct 08 21:13:34 <PuffTheMagic> no it wont Oct 08 21:13:39 <PuffTheMagic> where do you get this from Oct 08 21:13:48 <PuffTheMagic> -O specifies the output filename Oct 08 21:13:53 <PuffTheMagic> and its not a script Oct 08 21:13:55 <PuffTheMagic> it dont get run Oct 08 21:13:59 <PuffTheMagic> after you download it Oct 08 21:14:06 <murbanci> never mind Oct 08 21:14:06 <PuffTheMagic> run 'source /etc/profile' Oct 08 21:14:08 <PuffTheMagic> or log out Oct 08 21:14:10 <PuffTheMagic> and log back in Oct 08 21:14:19 <dBsooner-work> oh wait Oct 08 21:14:21 <dBsooner-work> your in profile.d Oct 08 21:14:29 <dBsooner-work> everything in profile.d gets executed on login Oct 08 21:14:30 <dBsooner-work> my bad.. Oct 08 21:14:35 <dBsooner-work> I didn't see that first line Oct 08 21:14:36 <rwhitby> murbanci: what are you attempting to achieve? there's wiki instructions already for all this stuff Oct 08 21:14:41 <dBsooner-work> "cd /etc/profile.d" Oct 08 21:14:44 <murbanci> when i do wget http://omploader.org/vMmk5cQ -O newpath it says can't open 'newpath': read-only file system Oct 08 21:14:54 <dBsooner-work> murbanci: mount -o remount,rw / Oct 08 21:15:12 * rwhitby wonders why people never just point people to the existing wiki doco Oct 08 21:15:12 <murbanci> be able to ssh from the pre, i looked on the wiki but couldnt find anything Oct 08 21:15:37 <PuffTheMagic> rwhitby: cause i never use the wiki, and when i do i cant find what i need Oct 08 21:15:38 <rwhitby> murbanci: the ApplyingPatches page (and the pages on initial optware setup) have all that Oct 08 21:15:45 <dBsooner-work> murbanci: do: mount -o remount,rw / Oct 08 21:15:50 <dBsooner-work> then do what PuffTheMagic said Oct 08 21:15:54 <dBsooner-work> then do: mount -o remount,ro / Oct 08 21:16:00 <rwhitby> murbanci: just run the optware setup script, and it will all be done automatically Oct 08 21:16:03 <dBsooner-work> then "exit" Oct 08 21:16:08 <dBsooner-work> then close terminal and open Oct 08 21:16:44 <dBsooner-work> rwhitby: go get your morning joe... we got this.. Oct 08 21:16:50 <PuffTheMagic> lol Oct 08 21:16:52 * dBsooner-work ducks from the +o that's about to happen. Oct 08 21:17:08 <SirWill> Rod, I tried to follow the Wiki to remove Quilt and some of it's big packages and it gives a response saying nothing removed... but I know quilt is still on there. Oct 08 21:17:36 <rwhitby> dBsooner-work: no you don't: you're giving someone custom once-off instructions instead of having them set things up like everyone else so we can support them easily. are you committing to support this custom setup you have just created for murbanci? Oct 08 21:18:04 <NotByJason> If im jason I will have to. Oct 08 21:18:21 <dBsooner-work> I apologize.. meds are making me loopy. Oct 08 21:18:30 <dBsooner-work> murbanci: we are going to do somethign different Oct 08 21:18:31 <dBsooner-work> ok? Oct 08 21:18:43 <dBsooner-work> I want you to do the optware setup script Oct 08 21:18:47 <dBsooner-work> let me get the link for you Oct 08 21:18:47 <rwhitby> egaudet: the reason why preware was not released is cause we want to have all the maintainer info in place before we announce. we made a big deal about maintainers getting the credit, and at the moment it's all listed as webos-internals.org instead of the true maintainers. Oct 08 21:18:56 <dBsooner-work> this script will setup everything, including openssh, for you Oct 08 21:19:02 <murbanci> ok Oct 08 21:19:12 <murbanci> cool Oct 08 21:19:43 <rwhitby> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Accessing_Linux Oct 08 21:19:55 <rwhitby> dBsooner-work: what's the ETA on maintainer information in patches? Oct 08 21:20:13 <dBsooner-work> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Next_steps Oct 08 21:20:46 <dBsooner-work> rwhitby: he is in Terminal app only, doesn't havce the access to novaterm. Oct 08 21:20:51 <rwhitby> yep, that's the page that follows the one I pasted Oct 08 21:20:53 <dBsooner-work> so I was pointing him to the next_steps Oct 08 21:20:57 <dBsooner-work> I know rwhitby Oct 08 21:20:57 <dBsooner-work> :D Oct 08 21:21:11 <dBsooner-work> rwhitby: It's umm.. ask egaudet .. he was on that last night Oct 08 21:21:15 <rwhitby> I personally wouldn't want to typing all this stuff in Terminal if I could possibly use novaterm Oct 08 21:21:23 <murbanci> no im deff using novaterm Oct 08 21:21:24 * dBsooner-work agrees. Oct 08 21:21:24 <egaudet> what Oct 08 21:21:30 <dBsooner-work> oh you are! Oct 08 21:21:30 <dBsooner-work> sweet Oct 08 21:21:33 <dBsooner-work> you said terminal earlier Oct 08 21:21:41 <dBsooner-work> do what rwhitby pasted then Oct 08 21:21:47 <dBsooner-work> and continue on to the next steps Oct 08 21:21:50 <rwhitby> murbanci: ok, continue from the next steps page Oct 08 21:21:51 <murbanci> yea i switched pretty quick after u all were telling me all those commands Oct 08 21:22:00 <dBsooner-work> lol Oct 08 21:22:05 <dBsooner-work> good call Oct 08 21:22:17 <egaudet> dBsooner-work, i haven't done any maintainer stuff Oct 08 21:22:18 <dBsooner-work> egaudet: how many packages do you have maintainer info for? Oct 08 21:22:21 <rwhitby> egaudet: do you agree maintainers in place before public release? Oct 08 21:22:22 <egaudet> 0 Oct 08 21:22:23 <dBsooner-work> oh fun Oct 08 21:22:24 <egaudet> sorry 1 Oct 08 21:22:27 <egaudet> rwhitby, yes Oct 08 21:22:47 <dBsooner-work> Umm... I will need some assistance if we want to release tonight. Oct 08 21:22:55 <egaudet> virtual keyboard maintainer is the only maintainer i know :P Oct 08 21:22:55 <dBsooner-work> Split it down the middle. Oct 08 21:22:56 <dBsooner-work> :D Oct 08 21:22:57 <rwhitby> ok, then I will have breakfast and talk to you guys later. I wonder if this gives oil enough time to add dependencies to this release ... Oct 08 21:23:28 <rwhitby> oil: what do you think? push for dependencies or just do a new release over the weekend? Oct 08 21:24:00 <SirWill> in the terminal on device is there an equivalent for arrow up to redisplay last input? Oct 08 21:24:01 <dBsooner-work> if I count, I like multiple releases.. (but not too many).. as it makes people think things are being very actively developed. But preware is not my app. :D Oct 08 21:24:44 <murbanci> ahh it works sweet, thanks guys! Oct 08 21:24:59 <dBsooner-work> np murbanci. sorry I confused you. Oct 08 21:25:06 <murbanci> its cool Oct 08 21:25:19 <nt4cats> SirWill: try gesture area - 2 Oct 08 21:25:44 <rwhitby> murbanci: was there anything on the wiki pages which needed updating or more clarity? Oct 08 21:25:51 <nt4cats> SirWill: there is a list of "non-obvious keys" here http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Terminal Oct 08 21:26:56 <nt4cats> SirWill: ... but if you're not using bash as your shell (I think /bin/sh is the default), having an up-arrow isn't going to help you Oct 08 21:27:40 <SirWill> great, now what does gesture area - 2 mean, I touch the gesture area while pressing 2? Oct 08 21:27:45 <nt4cats> SirWill: if you want to setup Bash ... http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Setup_Bash Oct 08 21:29:03 <nt4cats> SirWill: put your thumb on the gesture area, hold it there like it was an 'alt', 'ctrl', or 'shift' key. Press the number 2 (really the letter 'R') Oct 08 21:29:53 <SirWill> Yeah, I see that more detailed lower down in the docs. but yeah, I guess no bash there. Really I'm trying to uninstall quilt and stuff. Not having a lot of luck. Oct 08 21:30:41 <nt4cats> SirWill: I find that stuff a lot easier to do via novaterm or by ssh'ing into my phone Oct 08 21:31:26 <nt4cats> SirWill: I like having the on-device terminal available and everything, but it is not as easy to use as a nice big xterm window on my Linux desktop ... Oct 08 21:31:48 <SirWill> yeah, I was trying that at home this morning. At the office now, and I can't do it from the desktop right now. Had some free time thought I'd give it a try. Oct 08 21:32:08 * egaudet commutes home Oct 08 21:32:29 <SirWill> when I tried to do the ipkg-opt to remove it, it gave an error and said nothing removed. Oct 08 21:56:59 <Decimation> wtf Oct 08 21:57:05 <Decimation> i just did xorgs moveapp thing Oct 08 21:57:10 <Decimation> and rebooted my pre Oct 08 21:57:13 <Decimation> and now i cant get it to turn on Oct 08 21:57:33 * rwhitby bbl Oct 08 21:57:39 <nt4cats> what did you move? Oct 08 21:57:52 <Decimation> mvapp list Oct 08 21:57:53 <Decimation> i did that Oct 08 21:57:56 <nt4cats> I moved a few of my big games, but that's it. Oct 08 21:57:59 <Decimation> and pressed yes for all of em :P Oct 08 22:01:29 <nt4cats> Dec: my only [and uneducated] guess is that some app you moved has an event or startup hook ... Oct 08 22:01:59 <nt4cats> dec: I did a mvapp list on mine and nothing jumped out at me as a "gosh, don't move that one!" Oct 08 22:02:25 <Decimation> got it working. Oct 08 22:02:29 <nt4cats> dec: :) Oct 08 22:05:00 <AnOutsider> goddamn iphone hasnt been getting voicemails since 9/10 Oct 08 22:05:20 <AnOutsider> I've never gave much thought to the fact that I haven't gotten a voicemail in a while, just figured callers didnt wanna leave one Oct 08 22:05:35 <Abyssul> fail Oct 08 22:05:54 <AnOutsider> totally sick of this phone at this point Oct 08 22:06:27 <Rick_work> that's not the PHONE Oct 08 22:06:41 <Rick_work> that's sprint isn't it, voicemails aren't stored on your phone, they're on SPrint's server. Oct 08 22:06:47 <nt4cats> AnOutsider: Drown it (the iPhone). In water. Really. Oct 08 22:07:04 <Rick_work> oh sorrry AT&T not sprint Oct 08 22:07:06 <Rick_work> still.... true Oct 08 22:07:10 <acydlord> yeah, att Oct 08 22:07:10 <nt4cats> Rick_work: notice "AnOutsider: goddamn iphone hasnt been getting voicemails" Oct 08 22:07:48 <AnOutsider> it's both the phone and network that's been pissing me off to be honest Oct 08 22:07:56 <AnOutsider> phone is forever locking up and lagging Oct 08 22:08:20 <acydlord> but hair, it's a good husbandry, a shit phone on a shit network Oct 08 22:08:23 <nt4cats> AnOutsider: Drown it (the iPhone). In water. It'll make you feel better. Oct 08 22:08:25 <AnOutsider> for the most part I've just been using it as the car phone since I disable bluetooth on the pre to save battery Oct 08 22:08:31 <AnOutsider> haha i want something better Oct 08 22:08:38 <AnOutsider> I may take a pickaxe to it's effin FACE! Oct 08 22:09:04 <nt4cats> AnOutsider: Take a pixaxe to it. Set it on concrete first. Really. Oct 08 22:09:22 <nt4cats> s/pixaxe/pickaxe/ Oct 08 22:09:22 <infobot> nt4cats meant: AnOutsider: Take a pickaxe to it. Set it on concrete first. Really. Oct 08 22:09:44 <acydlord> take a bottle of axe body spray to its face Oct 08 22:10:11 <acydlord> that way it will smell like 80% of the dbags that own iphones Oct 08 22:10:14 <acydlord> it can die in peace Oct 08 22:10:21 <AnOutsider> haha Oct 08 22:10:33 <AnOutsider> I thought I was annoyed.. sounds like you might be having some issues there buddy Oct 08 22:10:37 <AnOutsider> *points to soft couch* Oct 08 22:10:41 <AnOutsider> sit down. wanna talk about it? Oct 08 22:10:42 <acydlord> lol Oct 08 22:10:57 <acydlord> or you can feed the iphone to setve jobs so that he might live yet another year Oct 08 22:11:08 <AnOutsider> haha Oct 08 22:11:16 <AnOutsider> you're right, he does seem to feed off his own bullshit doesnt he Oct 08 22:11:29 <Tivon> Good day Oct 08 22:11:43 <AnOutsider> good day good sir Oct 08 22:12:00 <AnOutsider> has oil finished that PSN app yet? Oct 08 22:12:21 <Tivon> I've been conceptualizing creating a basic FTP app for my pre. Oct 08 22:12:28 <Tivon> To upload photos directly to my webserver Oct 08 22:12:41 <Tivon> anybody gain any ground on something of the likes? Oct 08 22:12:47 <AnOutsider> might be ueasier ot use the file upload capabilities of the SDK no? Oct 08 22:12:57 <AnOutsider> s/ueasier/easier/ Oct 08 22:12:57 <infobot> AnOutsider meant: might be easier ot use the file upload capabilities of the SDK no? Oct 08 22:13:00 <Tivon> Yeah, well thats what I'm somewhat refering to Oct 08 22:13:32 <Tivon> Similiar to the file upload capabilites, I'd like to be able to upload pictures directly to my webspace via FTP just like facebook funcationality Oct 08 22:13:56 <Tivon> functionality Oct 08 22:13:57 <Tivon> blah Oct 08 22:15:27 <Abyssul> Can I make a suggestion that we come up with an option to extend the vibrate time for notifications? Similar to message tone Oct 08 22:17:27 <Tivon> I haven't been able to connect my pre to my MacBook Pro pretty much since all the software updates Oct 08 22:17:34 <Tivon> it doesn't show up as a drive anymore, annoys me Oct 08 22:17:43 <Tivon> Abyssul I'm sure that would be fairly beneficial Oct 08 22:18:01 <Tivon> Me personally, I don't want mine vibrating extended time however. Oct 08 22:19:56 <Abyssul> Various functions like vibrating twice or one long one Oct 08 22:20:23 <Abyssul> Many times I dont know if I got a notification because it only does it once so I doubt that my phone vibrate Oct 08 22:20:48 <Abyssul> Kind've need two so the first is to get your attention and the second to verify Oct 08 22:21:27 <Tivon> Yeah, I miss alot of notifications Oct 08 22:21:43 <Tivon> sometimes I'm happy i miss them in all honesty, considering the nature of the battery life. Oct 08 22:21:54 <Tivon> and the notification system. Oct 08 22:22:04 <Abyssul> Id rather know :p Oct 08 22:22:19 <Tivon> I'd constantly check my phone, for tweed, e-mail, msgs, missed phone calls, voice mail LOL Oct 08 22:22:54 <Abyssul> Same Oct 08 22:22:59 <Abyssul> The LED notification helps though Oct 08 22:24:27 <Abyssul> The Text Manager app helps, but it is limited in that the dashboard has to be open and a service is running Oct 08 22:24:44 <Abyssul> I dont like see a little icon in my dashboard for the app... Oct 08 22:24:51 <tlp> my 2600 mAh battery gets me through an entire day no matter what I'm doing Oct 08 22:25:04 <Mousey> touchstone back? Oct 08 22:25:22 <Abyssul> I love my touchstone lol, sadly I bought it when it was 70 bucks Oct 08 22:25:43 <Mousey> where'd you get a 2600mAh battery? Oct 08 22:26:02 <Tivon> i have yet to upgrade my battery, I'm starting to think I need a replacement unit. considering i can't connect to mac OS x anymore, won't read as a drive. Oct 08 22:26:08 <Mousey> and where are the pink and zebra stripe Pre's? Oct 08 22:26:16 <nt4cats> Mousey: http://store.precentral.net/palm-pre-batteries.htm Oct 08 22:26:20 <Mousey> ty Oct 08 22:26:24 <Mousey> that's a little too easy Oct 08 22:26:27 <Tivon> How much are touchstones now? Oct 08 22:26:35 <Mousey> (don't say free) Oct 08 22:27:37 <Abyssul> Na, more like 40 bucks Oct 08 22:27:39 <en0x> 20% off palm acessories Oct 08 22:27:44 <en0x> on palm website Oct 08 22:27:50 <Abyssul> THat 2600 battery isn't touchstone compatible Oct 08 22:27:50 <en0x> type coupon code PALMPRE Oct 08 22:27:51 <en0x> ;] Oct 08 22:27:58 <Mousey> boo Oct 08 22:28:01 * Mousey has 2 touchstones Oct 08 22:30:14 <Abyssul> I guess no one has a clue how to implement better vibrating features? Oct 08 22:31:34 <hmagoo> I think txt manager does that Abyssul Oct 08 22:31:49 <hmagoo> I read up, sorry Oct 08 22:31:57 <Abyssul> Mmhmm :) Oct 08 22:32:11 <hmagoo> I don't like dashboards either, a lot of apps aren't designed for them Oct 08 22:32:19 <hmagoo> I think we need a dashboard relocation app... Oct 08 22:32:27 <en0x> i want to play with the NaN Player Oct 08 22:32:28 <Abyssul> What would that do? Oct 08 22:32:29 <en0x> looks slick Oct 08 22:32:46 <hmagoo> one you could hide the top bar on put a top bar button on the dashboard Oct 08 22:32:56 <SirWill> Is the app catalog unavailable for anybody else right now? Oct 08 22:32:57 <hmagoo> s/on/and/ Oct 08 22:32:58 <infobot> hmagoo meant: ande you could hide the top bar on put a top bar button on the dashboard Oct 08 22:33:03 <hmagoo> eh, no Oct 08 22:33:41 <Abyssul> lol Oct 08 22:35:14 <hmagoo> I think something is causing poor battery life lately, don't know what it is Oct 08 22:35:34 <hmagoo> maybe they increased the phone power, does anyone notice better reception? Oct 08 22:35:48 <nt4cats> hmagoo: spending too much time on prepr0n.com? Oct 08 22:36:13 <hmagoo> you mean the mirror on the back? eww... Oct 08 22:36:54 * nt4cats can't believe that NASA is trying to blow up the moon Oct 08 22:41:26 <acydlord> if i had more money i'd go register prepr0n.com Oct 08 23:07:28 <Mousey> ooo Oct 08 23:07:31 <Mousey> prepr0n Oct 08 23:07:43 <Mousey> scantily clad cellphones Oct 08 23:08:04 <acydlord> haha, i was thinking more like hotties taking mirror pics with their pre's =x Oct 08 23:08:38 <acydlord> it would be a good sister site for heatgunhotties.com Oct 08 23:09:21 <Mousey> lol Oct 08 23:09:37 <Mousey> dammit, 404 Oct 08 23:09:50 <acydlord> 404 where? Oct 08 23:12:52 <en0x> something like Oct 08 23:12:56 <en0x> iphonegirls.com? Oct 08 23:12:57 <en0x> :> Oct 08 23:13:16 <en0x> err Oct 08 23:13:23 <en0x> girlswithiphones.com Oct 08 23:13:24 <en0x> this Oct 08 23:13:43 <acydlord> lol Oct 08 23:13:45 <acydlord> yeah Oct 08 23:14:09 <Abyssul> This is wierd.... the photos app cant detect my DCIM folder Oct 08 23:14:16 <Abyssul> Any ideas? Oct 08 23:17:32 <en0x> buy a domain girlswithpres.com Oct 08 23:17:32 <en0x> ;D Oct 08 23:18:26 <acydlord> lol, but i already bought prepr0n.com =x Oct 08 23:25:40 <acydlord> i am so making this happen Oct 08 23:40:07 <hmagoo> I think there are a few groups of people on this channel that we are forgetting about, and I'm guilty as well, but let's not forget A) 12 year olds, B) women, C) people at work, and D) people who don't want to discuss porn, so let's keep off the subject. Oct 08 23:41:10 <Mousey> here's one, Oct 08 23:41:17 <Mousey> what do i do if i'm running EPR, and i get error 4? Oct 08 23:41:31 <hmagoo> thats funny Mousey Oct 08 23:41:36 <Mousey> no, really Oct 08 23:41:50 <hmagoo> webos repair utility Oct 08 23:41:55 * Mousey cries Oct 08 23:42:02 <hmagoo> it is like doctoring without "doctoring" Oct 08 23:42:39 <Mousey> mount: mounting /dev/mapper/store-root on / failed: Device or resource busy Oct 08 23:42:48 <hmagoo> reboot, you're goog Oct 08 23:42:52 <hmagoo> good Oct 08 23:42:53 <Mousey> k Oct 08 23:42:59 <hmagoo> bbl Oct 08 23:43:06 * Mousey reboots Oct 08 23:43:28 <freakout-work> Mousey cries again? Oct 08 23:43:42 * Mousey cries a lot Oct 08 23:43:56 <Mousey> BAWWWW Oct 08 23:49:14 * acydlord calls Mousey a wahmbulance Oct 08 23:52:00 * Mousey checks out fancy new tweaks sectoin in WOQI Oct 08 23:52:42 <freakout-work> what do folks think of that supposed Mexican Pre with the MicroSD? http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/9943/does-the-mexican-palm-pre-have-a-microsd-slot/ (i'm not spamming, I swear!) Oct 08 23:52:56 <freakout-work> would be a bizarre backflip from Palm if it was true Oct 08 23:52:58 * Mousey clicks Oct 08 23:53:28 <kesne> Hey Oct 08 23:53:34 <Mousey> first of all, that's not what microsd cards are shaped like Oct 08 23:53:38 <freakout-work> morning kesne Oct 08 23:53:47 <kesne> morning? Oct 08 23:53:55 <kesne> It's 5 PM here Oct 08 23:53:56 <kesne> :P Oct 08 23:54:16 <huytrang90> anyone knows way to get novaterm to work with win7? Oct 08 23:54:17 <Mousey> hey, it's 5pm here! Oct 08 23:54:28 <Mousey> huytrang90: yes! ubuntu livecd! Oct 08 23:54:31 <Mousey> ^_^ Oct 08 23:54:35 * Mousey is a helper! Oct 08 23:56:18 <acydlord> novaterm worked flawlessly for me on win7 Oct 08 23:56:31 <acydlord> but i have the full sdk installed, dunno if that makes a difference Oct 08 23:57:24 <Mousey> oooh, a new version of 5x4! Oct 08 23:57:28 * Mousey installs greedily Oct 08 23:58:40 <huytrang90> ah.. acydlord.. that is th edifferent Oct 08 23:58:52 <huytrang90> do you mean windows sdk? Oct 08 23:59:01 <acydlord> mojo sdk Oct 08 23:59:04 <huytrang90> I have palm sdk installed too, but still not work.. Oct 08 23:59:34 <huytrang90> kept pop up with messages box... when I look it up, it has to do with novaterm may be build with .NET 2.0 and JIT Debugging turn on Oct 08 23:59:50 <huytrang90> I wished I have the .NET sdk or tool to disable it. :( Oct 09 00:00:35 <acydlord> actually i lie, i was just using novacom Oct 09 00:01:14 <acydlord> http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/195043-setting-up-novacom-windows-7-easier-method.html Oct 09 00:03:20 <huytrang90> done that acydlord Oct 09 00:03:49 <huytrang90> do I need to reinstall it for 1.2.1? Oct 09 00:04:04 <acydlord> do you specifically need novaterm, or just the novacom service to run? Oct 09 00:04:27 <huytrang90> I basically need to enable ssh and able to ssh to it form my desktop Oct 09 00:04:50 <huytrang90> tha tis my ultimate goal.. then I like to try and resize the var partition as mentioned in forum and test it out.. Oct 09 00:05:05 <huytrang90> i had been spent over 2 days frustrating with this. :) Oct 09 00:05:22 <acydlord> i dont remember what i did, but novacom runs as a service for me in win7 Oct 09 00:05:49 <huytrang90> and are you able to run novaterm to access linux portion of your pre phone? Oct 09 00:06:06 <acydlord> i had to use novacom to access it Oct 09 00:06:38 <acydlord> through a regular windows term Oct 09 00:08:57 <huytrang90> are you talking about the novaproxy method? or the python method? Oct 09 00:09:23 <Mousey> ok, so i'm underwhelmed with WOQIs handlement of patches Oct 09 00:09:31 <acydlord> neither Oct 09 00:09:48 <acydlord> opened cmd, typed novacom -tty etc Oct 09 00:10:38 <acydlord> sadly thats hows i've opened every pre ive touched Oct 09 00:11:27 <acydlord> huytrang90, this http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Novcom_on_Windows Oct 09 00:11:33 <huytrang90> hmm... never read that anywhere.. is it on webosinternal? Oct 09 00:11:44 <huytrang90> you beat me to it.. Oct 09 00:11:59 <huytrang90> ha..ha.. doing it now.. hang on tie.. :) Oct 09 00:17:25 <Mousey> thats weird, there's some patches i can install from WOQI, and some i have to install from Preware Oct 09 00:17:40 <egaudet> that IS weird Oct 09 00:17:47 <huytrang90> sweet.. tks acydlord. Oct 09 00:17:56 <acydlord> huytrang90, welcome Oct 09 00:18:03 <huytrang90> now I got to figure out tweaking the installed dropbear from Preware and ssh Oct 09 00:18:05 <egaudet> since both are (i thought) using the same package for the patches Oct 09 00:18:21 <acydlord> i use openssh Oct 09 00:18:21 <huytrang90> I mean and optware so I can putty desktop remote.. Oct 09 00:18:27 <acydlord> mostly as a preference Oct 09 00:18:34 <Mousey> i go to hide Nascar (something i've done a hundred times), and i get a big long error Oct 09 00:18:40 <acydlord> but just use the optware bootstrap instructions on webos-internals Oct 09 00:18:57 <huytrang90> is that bigger than dropbear? I like openssh but prefer keept the size down Oct 09 00:19:19 <huytrang90> that is why now i have to resize my var... the apps limitation drive me nut Oct 09 00:19:21 <egaudet> samk1, ping Oct 09 00:19:24 <Mousey> yah, it's checked in WOQI, but shows up in launcher Oct 09 00:19:30 <Mousey> now to install Hide Nascar patch from preware Oct 09 00:19:38 <samk1> hey Oct 09 00:19:58 <egaudet> maintainer name <email> for your keytoss? Oct 09 00:20:13 <huytrang90> tks agin.. step 1 accomplish.. now got to figure out my emulator crashing.. :) running xpmode after palm sdk, then palm emulator stop working.. Oct 09 00:20:17 <egaudet> and link for homepage if you would like Oct 09 00:20:44 <samk1> Sam Kim, info@keytoss.com Oct 09 00:20:58 <samk1> give me a sec on the url Oct 09 00:21:16 <huytrang90> be back later ... Oct 09 00:22:59 <samk1> Let's go w/ http://m.keytoss.com/pre Oct 09 00:23:00 <samk1> It'll be functional later... Oct 09 00:23:30 <Mousey> confirmed! nascar icon gone Oct 09 00:23:47 <Mousey> but only from preware, doesn't work from WOQI Oct 09 00:24:36 <Mousey> the other thing i can't find is the vk Oct 09 00:26:15 <samk1> egaudet, SORRY, please make it http://keytoss.com/pre Oct 09 00:26:20 <samk1> Thanks Oct 09 00:26:53 <egaudet> np Oct 09 00:27:18 <egaudet> Mousey, latest version of QI? I'd let Jason know Oct 09 00:27:41 <Mousey> 2.72 Oct 09 00:27:59 <Mousey> well there's Styling Mods, and Online Repository Oct 09 00:28:07 <Mousey> and the Styling Mods definitly doesn't work Oct 09 00:28:12 <egaudet> Still should be using the ipk from the feed Oct 09 00:28:24 <Mousey> how do i reach this elusive Jason person Oct 09 00:28:37 <egaudet> his thread that you got QI from? Oct 09 00:28:41 <Mousey> k Oct 09 00:32:00 <Mousey> EMAILED! Oct 09 00:33:35 <Mousey> the best part about preware is the constantly changing subtitle. =) Oct 09 00:33:53 <Mousey> i keep expecting Preware v0.9.2 "Don't run with scissors" Oct 09 00:36:59 * oil adds it Oct 09 00:37:19 <Mousey> no wAY! Oct 09 00:37:20 <Mousey> ^_^ Oct 09 00:37:36 <freakout-work> Preware v0.9.2 Conceived in Australia, Raised in America, Making Other Homebrewers Jealous In Both Oct 09 00:37:47 <Mousey> lol Oct 09 00:38:05 <Mousey> Preware v0.9.2 "Doesn't need any more cowbell" Oct 09 00:38:10 <freakout-work> lol Oct 09 00:38:26 <freakout-work> Preware v1.3: We got there before webOS Oct 09 00:38:32 <Mousey> lol Oct 09 00:38:44 * freakout-work has to go to see another freaking doctor Oct 09 00:39:02 <Mousey> about your phone? that sounds bad Oct 09 00:40:24 <Mousey> everbody in seattle must be using their evdo right now, mine keeps dropping while tryna install patches.. grr Oct 09 00:40:47 <acydlord> they better have the evdo working good when i move up there Oct 09 00:41:04 <Mousey> works great, i can tellya.. just not in the light rail tunnels =/ Oct 09 00:41:18 <acydlord> at least there is light rail Oct 09 00:41:35 <Mousey> it's brand new. not even any graffitti yet Oct 09 00:41:47 <acydlord> they put in a very limited light rail here in phoenix, and scrapped 30% of the bus lines Oct 09 00:41:54 <acydlord> they really dont get public transit here Oct 09 00:42:13 <Mousey> it could be worse. you could be in LA, where i'm from Oct 09 00:42:24 <acydlord> haha Oct 09 00:42:32 <acydlord> i'm too douche resistent to live there Oct 09 00:42:42 <Mousey> where light rail is just a -little- bit of coke Oct 09 00:43:13 <acydlord> i havent had a car in almost 8 years, so anywhere i look to move has to have good public transit lol Oct 09 00:43:34 <Mousey> oh. well seattle is ripe with mass transit. i'm gonna go take some now. =) ttyl Oct 09 01:11:05 <Decimation> heh, found something new in 1.2.1, not listed. Oct 09 01:11:27 <bpadalino> what did you find ? Oct 09 01:21:26 <Abyssul> Did Virtual Keyboard get pulled from Preware? Oct 09 01:21:40 <oil> it was bricking phones Oct 09 01:21:55 <Abyssul> Really? I haven't heard of that Oct 09 01:22:19 <oil> it was a joke Oct 09 01:22:25 <Abyssul> Oh lol Oct 09 01:22:31 <oil> idk whats up Oct 09 01:22:52 <Abyssul> Weird how stupid people can be. Theres like 4 individual threads in the WebOS chat forum of PreCentral about how they can't find VK Oct 09 01:22:56 <Abyssul> on Preware Oct 09 01:23:04 <zsoc> What's the best way to fix if your silly wife decides to install 2 themes over each other an you can't get the pieces back together? :P EPR? Oct 09 01:23:13 <egaudet> no Oct 09 01:23:26 <egaudet> themes unfortunately do not fall into EPR territory (yet, hopefully) Oct 09 01:23:29 <dBsooner> epr doesn't fix themes Oct 09 01:23:38 <zsoc> everything is blue theme, but lock screen and boot screen are google theme :P Oct 09 01:23:40 <egaudet> dBsooner, BTW 90% of maintainers added Oct 09 01:23:47 <oil> themes are icky Oct 09 01:23:50 <oil> lets just leave it at that Oct 09 01:23:52 <egaudet> zsoc Oct 09 01:23:53 <dBsooner> LOL.. just by using git commits? Oct 09 01:23:57 <dBsooner> so all of them are you and i? Oct 09 01:23:58 <dBsooner> ;) Oct 09 01:24:04 <egaudet> try something like find / -name \*.bak Oct 09 01:24:04 <zsoc> oil, actually blue theme is sexy, you might even like it Oct 09 01:24:08 <egaudet> try something like find / -name \*.BACKUP Oct 09 01:24:23 <dBsooner> and *BACKUP Oct 09 01:24:28 <zsoc> egaudet, thank you :) er, in the meanwhile, where are the theme .prerm's located? maybe I can try that first? Oct 09 01:24:42 <dBsooner> because some of them don't put a '.' between the file ext and BACKUP Oct 09 01:24:58 <acydlord> nice to know, my webhosting was upgraded to *unlimited bandwidth and space at some point Oct 09 01:25:11 <zsoc> acydlord, read the fine print, it's never unlimited Oct 09 01:25:16 <zsoc> otherwise i want your host :> Oct 09 01:25:16 <oil> zsoc: idk, i like palms default look Oct 09 01:25:23 <oil> its nice and simple Oct 09 01:25:26 <acydlord> zsoc, hence the * Oct 09 01:25:40 <acydlord> their TOS is rather forgiving as far as their usage terms Oct 09 01:25:47 <zsoc> oil, some themes are simple. i want a palm orig theme, just... minimalist. maybe a little darker, and everything a little smaller. that's why 4x4 is nice Oct 09 01:26:16 <oil> 4x4 is the only patch i have installed Oct 09 01:26:17 <oil> lol Oct 09 01:26:27 <acydlord> the price also went down $2 a month Oct 09 01:26:28 <oil> im thinkin about date in top bar Oct 09 01:26:31 <oil> but, idk Oct 09 01:26:36 <zsoc> it's a minimalist patch :D we should make a group of patches that makes everything slightly more awesome Oct 09 01:26:39 <dBsooner> date in top bar is nice Oct 09 01:27:04 <acydlord> zsoc, you mean like a UI Enhancing set? Oct 09 01:27:04 <oil> yeah Oct 09 01:27:04 <oil> it makes the text on the left smaller though, right? Oct 09 01:27:04 <dBsooner> I don't notice it Oct 09 01:27:12 <dBsooner> egaudet: what's left? Oct 09 01:27:15 <zsoc> Anyone know off the top of their head how to \ in terminal app? Oct 09 01:27:21 <egaudet> zsoc, /var/usr/lib/ipkg/info/<package>.prerm Oct 09 01:27:27 <zsoc> ty Oct 09 01:27:28 <dBsooner> oil, egaudet, rwhitby: what are the chances we release it tonight? Oct 09 01:27:44 * oil stored terminal key-combos in a note Oct 09 01:27:48 <oil> for easy access while on pre Oct 09 01:28:03 <zsoc> genius B... genius Oct 09 01:30:10 <dBsooner> PuffTheMagic: ping Oct 09 01:30:37 <Abyssul> What is that^ Oct 09 01:30:44 <sugardave> anyone in here seen a problem with scroll fades not showing up until you're physically scrolling the scene? Oct 09 01:31:25 <oil> sugardave: ive seen it Oct 09 01:31:29 <oil> idk if there is a way around it Oct 09 01:31:36 <sugardave> oil: do you know how to fix it it? Oct 09 01:31:37 <oil> ive always just left it alone Oct 09 01:31:37 <sugardave> damn Oct 09 01:31:43 <oil> i tried Oct 09 01:31:48 <oil> but couldnt ever fix it Oct 09 01:32:13 <sugardave> I'm cheating now...squashing everything so it fits in the scene, but I would like it to work Oct 09 01:32:21 <acydlord> irc is such a bad influence on me today Oct 09 01:33:15 <dBsooner> *sigh* Oct 09 01:33:49 <egaudet> did you try a scrollTo() call Oct 09 01:33:55 <egaudet> scroll down a bit then up do the fades show Oct 09 01:34:11 <sugardave> egaudet: no, did not know that one, thank you Oct 09 01:34:32 <oil> yeah Oct 09 01:34:33 <oil> that might work Oct 09 01:34:34 <oil> lol Oct 09 01:35:31 <dBsooner> egaudet: what's left? Oct 09 01:35:48 <oil> everything Oct 09 01:35:56 <Decimation> oil "4x4 is the only patch i have installed" - i'm honored. Oct 09 01:36:21 <oil> its puffs version Oct 09 01:36:21 <oil> xD Oct 09 01:36:33 * dBsooner uses puff's too Oct 09 01:36:34 <egaudet> dBsooner, pull Oct 09 01:36:39 <oil> lol Oct 09 01:36:40 <dBsooner> egaudet: i did Oct 09 01:36:52 <egaudet> grep -r MAINTAINER * | grep "?" Oct 09 01:36:59 <Decimation> oil: pfft - i made the original, idc who's "edit" it is :P Oct 09 01:37:02 <dBsooner> egaudet: i guess I'll just grep MAINTAINER -r Oct 09 01:37:20 * oil removes it and installs 5x4 Oct 09 01:37:24 <egaudet> Decimation, you are maintainer for 5x4 v 1, and they all link to the wiki Oct 09 01:37:30 <oil> damn Oct 09 01:37:36 * oil goes back to 3x3 Oct 09 01:37:38 <dBsooner> lol Oct 09 01:37:43 <dBsooner> 5x4 = sucko Oct 09 01:37:43 <egaudet> I put "Decimation" as maintainer Oct 09 01:37:48 <oil> lol Oct 09 01:37:50 <Decimation> 5x4 = bad Oct 09 01:37:52 <Decimation> lol Oct 09 01:37:56 <egaudet> do you want me to put a Name <email> ? Oct 09 01:37:58 <egaudet> Decimation, Oct 09 01:38:10 <oil> note: preware also supports name <website> Oct 09 01:38:31 <egaudet> note: website goes in HOMEPAGE Oct 09 01:38:36 <Decimation> egaudet: sure. Oct 09 01:38:51 <oil> egaudet: tell that to some of the packages Oct 09 01:39:03 <egaudet> I doubt the packages would listen to me oil Oct 09 01:39:15 <oil> well i already know they wont listen to me Oct 09 01:39:27 <dBsooner> egaudet: timestamps clean in umm.. Oct 09 01:39:30 <egaudet> Decimation... do you want me to create a fictional name <email> or are you going to give me ... Oct 09 01:39:32 <oil> im like "WHO ARE YOU?!" Oct 09 01:39:39 <oil> its like "webOS Application" Oct 09 01:39:43 <dBsooner> that person who pushed last night Oct 09 01:39:43 <egaudet> lol Oct 09 01:39:55 <egaudet> acydlord, Oct 09 01:40:00 <dBsooner> yes Oct 09 01:40:04 <dBsooner> that's clean Oct 09 01:40:12 <acydlord> yo? Oct 09 01:40:30 <dBsooner> you want to be maintainer of the "Timestamps - Clean" patch? Oct 09 01:40:37 <acydlord> preferably Oct 09 01:40:41 <dBsooner> done Oct 09 01:40:50 <egaudet> dBsooner, you doing it? Oct 09 01:40:53 <dBsooner> yeop Oct 09 01:40:56 <dBsooner> as we speak Oct 09 01:41:01 <dBsooner> and where is PuffTheMagic? Oct 09 01:41:02 <egaudet> take it right out of the commit log from gitorious Oct 09 01:41:15 <dBsooner> yup- that's what I am doing egaudet. Oct 09 01:42:19 <egaudet> dBsooner, I pushed 5x4 maintainer Oct 09 01:42:23 <dBsooner> k Oct 09 01:42:25 <dBsooner> pulling it Oct 09 01:43:17 <dBsooner> acydlord: you got it on the wiki? Oct 09 01:43:28 <egaudet> alright so I'm done, it's all yours now db Oct 09 01:43:59 <acydlord> i only have part of it on the wiki Oct 09 01:44:05 <dBsooner> link me Oct 09 01:44:09 <acydlord> in with the older timestamp stuff Oct 09 01:44:12 <dBsooner> make sure that's where you keep it all. ;) Oct 09 01:44:32 * dBsooner slaps PuffTheMagic with a stinky sock! Oct 09 01:44:42 <acydlord> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Patch_Messaging_Adding_Timestamps_to_All_Received_Messages Oct 09 01:44:56 <acydlord> on that page, i'll edit tonight or tomorrow to show the full process Oct 09 01:45:09 <dBsooner> mmk Oct 09 01:45:16 <dBsooner> take your time.. I just wanted to have a solid page to link to Oct 09 01:45:26 <egaudet> I'm sure I have a ton of WRONG maintainers too so people can let us know as we go Oct 09 01:45:26 <acydlord> since the only thing i have on there is getting rid of the dividerbar Oct 09 01:45:45 <egaudet> I link the other 2 timestamp patches to that wiki too i think Oct 09 01:47:16 <dBsooner> pushed acydlord as maintainer Oct 09 01:47:23 <dBsooner> oh I need to update META_VERSION? Oct 09 01:47:26 <acydlord> i shoulda registered pregrils.com instead of prepr0n.com Oct 09 01:47:31 * acydlord shakes fist Oct 09 01:47:33 <Technobabble> is it just me or did the 1.2.1 update remove the GPS from Location Services? Oct 09 01:47:44 <dBsooner> egaudet: bump META_VERSION? Oct 09 01:48:02 <egaudet> bah Oct 09 01:48:11 <dBsooner> i'll take that as a no Oct 09 01:48:13 <dBsooner> ? Oct 09 01:48:14 <egaudet> I'm not going through 70 Makefiles again Oct 09 01:48:15 <egaudet> lol Oct 09 01:48:21 <egaudet> if you want to Oct 09 01:48:23 <dBsooner> guess we'll just do anothe rpurge Oct 09 01:48:24 <dBsooner> ;) Oct 09 01:48:32 <dBsooner> go go gadget sed Oct 09 01:48:35 <egaudet> If they all have a META already you can sed but gah Oct 09 01:49:01 <acydlord> Technobabble, they merged google and gps options Oct 09 01:49:24 <acydlord> i personally liked having seperate control options Oct 09 01:49:58 <dBsooner> sigh.. can I use the precentral username for these others? Oct 09 01:50:02 <dBsooner> and link them to the wiki? Oct 09 01:50:25 <egaudet> I doubt I'm doing the write up tonight Oct 09 01:50:29 <egaudet> I'm so tired Oct 09 01:50:44 <egaudet> I don't know if I'll be around tomorrow either Oct 09 01:50:50 <egaudet> but how's this for a title Oct 09 01:51:03 <egaudet> AutoPatch - A standard for WebOS mods Oct 09 01:51:10 <dBsooner> do the writeup tonight Oct 09 01:51:12 <dBsooner> PLEASE Oct 09 01:51:22 <egaudet> I'm so tired it's gonna be half assed Oct 09 01:51:24 <dBsooner> becausae saturday I'll probably be busy.. and sunday is my bro's send off party Oct 09 01:51:35 <dBsooner> he leaves monday to go to war Oct 09 01:53:02 <dBsooner> we could always make rwhitby do it.. (NotByJason) style Oct 09 01:54:04 <egaudet> Let's just wait till Monday Oct 09 01:54:06 <egaudet> :P Oct 09 01:54:43 <egaudet> It needs to go to the wiki too, in a nice neat organized fashion (I am incapable of organization) Oct 09 01:54:50 <dBsooner> :~( Oct 09 01:55:10 <egaudet> Or I could just make a post that says AutoPatch - enjoy, good night Oct 09 01:55:22 <dBsooner> oil: whats your opinion on when to launch? Oct 09 01:55:34 <egaudet> Rod said it was delayed last night for maintainers Oct 09 01:55:37 <dBsooner> "AutoPatch is live. have fun" Oct 09 01:55:41 <dBsooner> Yeah I know. Oct 09 01:55:43 <dBsooner> Which are now done. Oct 09 01:55:44 <dBsooner> ;) Oct 09 01:55:48 <egaudet> you did all 11 remaining? Oct 09 01:55:56 * dBsooner is just about to make the last 11 maintained by himself. Oct 09 01:56:04 <dBsooner> untill a better one can be found. Oct 09 01:57:26 <egaudet> I'm a bad enough writer as it is to try this being exhausted Oct 09 01:57:31 <egaudet> I can't get past the title Oct 09 01:57:34 <dBsooner> lol Oct 09 01:58:41 <zsoc> egaudet, er, can i make a '/' in term app? i can't.. uh.. figure it out. doesn't seem to be listed Oct 09 01:59:05 <egaudet> zsoc, ready for facepalm? Oct 09 01:59:11 <egaudet> look at Q Oct 09 01:59:36 <egaudet> :P Oct 09 01:59:38 <acydlord> lol Oct 09 01:59:42 <acydlord> /_- Oct 09 02:00:28 <zsoc> egaudet, sorry, i meant '\' :_ Oct 09 02:00:28 <Abyssul> soo... Autopatch, care to enlighten me? Oct 09 02:00:43 <egaudet> zsoc, I figured as much ;) Oct 09 02:01:15 <zsoc> so this means i can't do it, doesn't it? Oct 09 02:01:18 <egaudet> but I dunno Oct 09 02:01:20 <dBsooner> egaudet: if you can just write up about autopatch, I'll do the rest. Oct 09 02:01:38 <egaudet> write up about autopatch is long Oct 09 02:01:43 <dBsooner> lol Oct 09 02:01:48 <Technobabble> acydlord, i was thinkin they were gonna do that. where in google maps is the GPS thing located? Oct 09 02:01:55 <egaudet> Abyssul, Oct 09 02:01:57 <dBsooner> dang, thought you would fall for it. Oct 09 02:02:04 <egaudet> AutoPatch - A standard for WebOS modifications Oct 09 02:02:31 <egaudet> [b] Brief History [/b] Oct 09 02:02:37 <acydlord> Technobabble, i think it is auto now where it uses both google data and gps Oct 09 02:02:43 <egaudet> For the past month or so, good night Oct 09 02:02:43 <acydlord> like a mashed up agps service Oct 09 02:03:04 <Technobabble> that's weird, mine shows a huge circle Oct 09 02:03:09 <Abyssul> I thought it was live for like the past 2 weeks Oct 09 02:03:21 <acydlord> lemme check mine Oct 09 02:03:21 <Technobabble> like it's not getting GPS Oct 09 02:03:39 <egaudet> It was completely ripped out of my hands and forcibly thrown upon the userbase! Oct 09 02:04:05 <egaudet> no but it was let out early because 1.2.0 came out before I was completely ready Oct 09 02:04:19 <egaudet> but it was only leaked, so not really official official Oct 09 02:04:27 <egaudet> and it's not documented Oct 09 02:04:46 <acydlord> Technobabble, mine is showing a tiny dot. try opening the sprint navigator so it gets a gps fix, and then re-open google maps Oct 09 02:04:50 <Technobabble> yeah, mine's definitely giving me the cell triangulated positions Oct 09 02:04:53 <egaudet> and patch creators and ideas need information about how to get their stuff in it or follow the standard etc... Oct 09 02:04:55 <Technobabble> k Oct 09 02:05:17 <egaudet> we gotta get themes sorted out too, Oct 09 02:05:23 <acydlord> i have other gps services running on mine so my phone has a constant gps fix Oct 09 02:05:37 <dBsooner> fine Oct 09 02:05:40 <dBsooner> we will wait Oct 09 02:05:44 <acydlord> which is also why my battery lasts about 6-8 hours Oct 09 02:05:59 <dBsooner> but that makes oil wait too. ;) Oct 09 02:06:09 <egaudet> and I gotta get to C Oct 09 02:06:14 <egaudet> no Oct 09 02:06:18 <VeeDubb65-Steve> acydlord: what are you running that requires a constant GPS fix? Oct 09 02:06:23 <egaudet> preware doesn't have to wait for the write up Oct 09 02:06:46 <dBsooner> aye.. but it will have launched if he releases Oct 09 02:06:52 <dBsooner> and it will cause mass confusion Oct 09 02:06:52 <egaudet> let it launch Oct 09 02:06:57 <Technobabble> there it goes Oct 09 02:07:08 <egaudet> the write up is more for the patch developers anyway Oct 09 02:07:17 <acydlord> VeeDubb65-Steve, i use cellstalker and I also modified latitude Oct 09 02:07:22 <Technobabble> i used sprint navigation and allowed gps and then google got it Oct 09 02:07:26 <egaudet> the users are never going to care about it, they just want their patches now Oct 09 02:07:37 <VeeDubb65-Steve> acydlord: okay. Thanks. I was just curious Oct 09 02:07:37 <Technobabble> now, how can i be sure the GPS is turned off so as not to drain my battery Oct 09 02:07:41 <acydlord> glad that got it working Technobabble Oct 09 02:07:48 <dBsooner> well I figured the write up would have info on what will happen when 0.9.3 is released Oct 09 02:07:56 <dBsooner> like having ot update the ipkg service first Oct 09 02:08:00 <acydlord> techno, there is a gps toggle app in preware Oct 09 02:08:20 <egaudet> well that is standard preware/ipkgservice update stuff Oct 09 02:08:21 <Technobabble> what's that? Oct 09 02:08:23 <egaudet> that's been going on for a while Oct 09 02:08:23 <dBsooner> and that all patches will be considered Apps and won't be "updateable" unless they epr (or remove them all) and install from new packages Oct 09 02:08:39 <egaudet> oh yea Oct 09 02:08:43 <egaudet> we gotta release that info Oct 09 02:09:04 <dBsooner> exactly Oct 09 02:09:22 <egaudet> anyhow, I'm getting off in about half hour Oct 09 02:09:28 <zsoc> how do you use novacom to connect directly? something like 'novacom open tty'? Oct 09 02:09:33 <acydlord> Technobabble, http://www.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/gps-toggle Oct 09 02:09:46 * Technobabble has a look Oct 09 02:09:57 <acydlord> zsoc yes, you drill down into the dir and then novacop open -t tty Oct 09 02:10:04 <acydlord> i cant spell Oct 09 02:10:08 <dBsooner> I guess it all depends on oil and rwhitby Oct 09 02:10:13 <dBsooner> I really don't care. Oct 09 02:10:20 <Technobabble> so how would i install this? Oct 09 02:10:31 <Technobabble> it's in the ipgk repo? Oct 09 02:10:38 <zsoc> novacom open -t tty:// , you were close ;) thanks for pointing me there Oct 09 02:10:56 <acydlord> Technobabble, yeah, it's in the preware repo if you have preware installed Oct 09 02:11:18 <Technobabble> not sure if i have preware installed Oct 09 02:11:20 <egaudet> should make preware ipk conflict with all existing ipk in autopatch feed Oct 09 02:11:36 <acydlord> you can use webos quick install too Technobabble Oct 09 02:11:36 <dBsooner> yeah Oct 09 02:11:39 <dBsooner> so it auto-removes them Oct 09 02:11:47 <dBsooner> or force removes Oct 09 02:12:04 <Technobabble> i've only ever seen ipgk Oct 09 02:12:46 <egaudet> eye pah jick Oct 09 02:13:29 <acydlord> lol egaudet Oct 09 02:13:47 <Technobabble> i'm spelling that backward, aren't i? Oct 09 02:13:54 <acydlord> yeah, ipkg Oct 09 02:14:21 <egaudet> hehe :p Oct 09 02:14:39 <Technobabble> i thought it was a typo at first, but then i relized it did it a couple times Oct 09 02:14:45 <zsoc> ok... /var/com.palm.prethemer/ seems to have tons of stuff including backups.. is there a command i can summon to make things go back.. to something :P Oct 09 02:15:47 <zsoc> this seems like such a simple problem. my head just isn't functioning Oct 09 02:16:03 <egaudet> /bin/summon go back Oct 09 02:16:34 <egaudet> zsoc, what else ya got. are those the only backups ya found? Oct 09 02:16:38 <egaudet> are the backups not in place? Oct 09 02:16:43 <egaudet> prerm script? Oct 09 02:17:29 <zsoc> find / -name \*BACKUP got me no where. prerm scripts no longer exist after package removal. i tried finding .orig, and i found just a few files around Oct 09 02:17:48 <zsoc> but i don't think anything that would effect the boot screen or the launcher icons or lock screen Oct 09 02:18:17 <zsoc> i don't suppose quilt -a would get me anywhere Oct 09 02:18:24 <egaudet> what abooot css Oct 09 02:18:29 <egaudet> what is your presenting problem Oct 09 02:18:43 <egaudet> what did you do exactly and what order Oct 09 02:18:51 <egaudet> install theme A, install theme B... Oct 09 02:19:40 <zsoc> theme a installed. theme b installed. theme a removed. theme b removed. theme b seems fully removed. theme a is still around.. er.. most everywhere Oct 09 02:20:32 <rick_home> hi Oct 09 02:22:04 <rick_home> zsoc in that order, this doesn't suprize me Oct 09 02:22:25 <rick_home> you are sure you did it that way Oct 09 02:22:25 <rick_home> put A put B pull A pull B Oct 09 02:22:27 <rick_home> not put A put B pull B pull A Oct 09 02:22:29 <rick_home> right? Oct 09 02:22:37 <zsoc> my wife, it would seem, but she did it the way i stated originally Oct 09 02:22:53 <rick_home> because the starting point for B was A -- so when you pulled B it RESTORED to A anything that it had modified Oct 09 02:22:59 <rick_home> since it's starting point WAS "a" Oct 09 02:23:17 <zsoc> er, well i skipped 1 step Oct 09 02:23:23 <rick_home> but not EVERYTHING -- only those things that it had overwritten Oct 09 02:23:33 <rick_home> exact procdures matter Oct 09 02:23:44 <zsoc> the prerm wasn't run when theme a was removed Oct 09 02:23:56 <rick_home> nodnod Oct 09 02:24:03 <rick_home> well.... Oct 09 02:24:20 <zsoc> so it's possible theme b backed up themes a files? Lol Oct 09 02:24:21 <rick_home> so it was put A put B pull A (mostly but not entirely) Pull B Oct 09 02:24:23 <rick_home> right? Oct 09 02:24:36 <zsoc> correct Oct 09 02:24:38 <rick_home> uh zsoc what ELSE was there for B to backup? Oct 09 02:24:59 <zsoc> no, you're completely right, i was just hoping i was wrong when i thought that lol Oct 09 02:25:19 <dBsooner> this is exactly why there needs to be standardization for themes Oct 09 02:25:22 <rick_home> run webos quick restore or egaudet 's EPR Oct 09 02:25:33 <dBsooner> a common state file so all installers knows there is a theme already installed Oct 09 02:25:37 <zsoc> egaudet, claims EPR doesn't help Oct 09 02:25:47 <zsoc> dBsooner, can't uh.. they just check the themes md5's first? Oct 09 02:26:02 <zsoc> dBsooner, i mean the files they are replacing, seems easy to check the md5's against the orig's Oct 09 02:26:13 <acydlord> man, i'm dissapointed they started charging for postbox, its probably my favorite windows email client =/ Oct 09 02:26:16 <dBsooner> uh oh Oct 09 02:28:19 * dBsooner has his boss calling in PM. ;) Oct 09 02:29:13 <egaudet> themes are tricky Oct 09 02:29:21 <egaudet> are both themes from prethemer? Oct 09 02:29:31 <dBsooner> egaudet: don't get into that discussion again. Oct 09 02:29:32 <egaudet> zsoc, which 2 themes , link me Oct 09 02:29:42 <egaudet> no discussion just want to help zsoc Oct 09 02:30:04 <zsoc> egaudet, er... orig blue and google, pretty sure both prethemer Oct 09 02:30:36 <zsoc> backwards order tho, google was first, orig blue second Oct 09 02:31:17 <dBsooner> acydlord: you want an email address listed in the maintainer section? Oct 09 02:31:25 <zsoc> i'm about to WebOS Repair Utility, should i wait? Oct 09 02:31:59 <acydlord> dBsooner, lets go with acydlord@badbinary.com Oct 09 02:32:04 <dBsooner> k Oct 09 02:32:25 * zsoc has plenty of bad binaries Oct 09 02:34:49 <egaudet> zsoc you have no .bak files Oct 09 02:34:54 <egaudet> find /usr -name \*.bak Oct 09 02:35:18 <acydlord> zsoc, its the perfect name for a software comany dont you think? =x Oct 09 02:35:19 <rick_home> zsoc since webos repair lets you pick and choose, you can ONLY agree to the images Oct 09 02:35:22 <rick_home> and you'll be back to default Oct 09 02:35:58 <zsoc> except 1.2.1 is on this phone.. not sure if that is ok Oct 09 02:36:22 <dBsooner> is webos repair 1.2.1? If it is, where did he get the webosdoc? Oct 09 02:36:45 <egaudet> find . -name \*.bak Oct 09 02:36:54 <zsoc> egaudet, oh, there they all are. .bak files, makes too much sense :P just change them or orig? although they will probably contain the first themes files, no? Oct 09 02:37:08 <rick_home> it isn't But if he agrees to ONLY the images it doesn't matter dBsooner Oct 09 02:37:12 <egaudet> no Oct 09 02:37:39 <dBsooner> good poijnt rick_home. Oct 09 02:37:46 <egaudet> at least I hope not Oct 09 02:37:50 * zsoc wonders if he could some how pipe the output of of that find command into.. something.. to rename them... without the bak Oct 09 02:38:01 * dBsooner thinks of how many "replace" buttons you would have to click to restore all the images... Oct 09 02:38:05 <egaudet> i think .bak are always stock Oct 09 02:38:10 <egaudet> so copy .bak over the original Oct 09 02:39:22 <zsoc> kk Oct 09 02:39:43 * zsoc wonders again about some sort of command that could automate to do this.. Oct 09 02:39:54 <egaudet> script zsoc Oct 09 02:40:24 <Abyssul> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/02/us/02abortion.html Oct 09 02:40:27 <zsoc> yes yes.. off to bash land i go, wish me well Oct 09 02:41:06 <egaudet> for i in `find . -name \*.bak`; do dirn=`dirname $i`; cp $i `basename $dir .bak`; done Oct 09 02:41:13 <egaudet> for i in `find . -name \*.bak`; do dir=`dirname $i`; cp $i `basename $dir .bak`; done Oct 09 02:41:33 <egaudet> for i in `find . -name \*.bak`; do dir=`dirname $i`; cp $i $dir/`basename $i .bak`; done Oct 09 02:41:38 <egaudet> damn I suck Oct 09 02:44:51 <zsoc> egaudet, i was getting there, actually my musings looked almost identical lol, until i realized there were other patches (battery icon and 4x4) and i didn't want to start sorting, so doing it manually, there's only like 10 lol Oct 09 02:48:13 <dBsooner> hmagoo ping Oct 09 02:48:49 <dBsooner> hmagoo AIR HORN Oct 09 02:54:56 <rwhitby> OK, I'm going to update ipkgservice to not give an error if the remount,ro doesn't work. Oct 09 02:59:20 <zsoc> So... the big thing you guys are working on atm is getting dependencies working? Oct 09 02:59:29 <zsoc> I guess I could not be a huge loser and just read the commit comments Oct 09 02:59:53 <zsoc> egaudet, it fixed everything but the contacts icon, go figure **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Oct 09 03:00:00 2009