**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Oct 10 02:59:56 2009 Oct 10 03:09:29 has anyone bought an app here Oct 10 03:10:00 * oil hasnt yet Oct 10 03:11:29 curious to see how long it takes to get a receipt and post to CC Oct 10 03:13:52 If anyone wants to help figure out why package manager will magically refuse to run on my device let me know. ;) Oct 10 03:40:27 hello? Oct 10 03:40:40 anyone? Oct 10 03:40:56 hi Oct 10 03:41:09 sorry, doesn't seem to be a very busy room tonight. Oct 10 03:41:40 hey Oct 10 03:41:44 What's up? Oct 10 03:42:00 would you know why my preware menu is all grayed out? Oct 10 03:42:20 Well, not off the top of my head, but a few options come to mind. Oct 10 03:42:33 clicking on choises does nothing Oct 10 03:42:34 Did you by any chance update Preware BEFORE updating the Package manager Serverice? Oct 10 03:42:50 Because that will break it. Oct 10 03:42:52 probably Oct 10 03:42:54 ah Oct 10 03:42:58 well it's not hard to fix Oct 10 03:42:59 so now what Oct 10 03:43:06 ok Oct 10 03:43:14 what you'll need to do is connect to your dekstop and fireup WebOSQuickInstall Oct 10 03:43:18 how do I fix it Oct 10 03:43:25 ok Oct 10 03:43:27 in the menus, find "device management" Oct 10 03:43:32 and you'll be able to remove packages Oct 10 03:43:33 rek Oct 10 03:43:40 remove both preware AND the package manager services. Oct 10 03:43:42 how can i see the code for com.palm.contacts and other service request APIs? Oct 10 03:43:44 remove packages Oct 10 03:43:55 ok Oct 10 03:44:00 reboot your Pre, and reinstall them. Oct 10 03:44:07 and you should be rockin' and rollin' Oct 10 03:44:34 jo2: I'd love to tell you, but I haven't got a clue and this place seems like a ghost town tonight Oct 10 03:44:37 so get rid of preware and package manager service. Reboot and reinstall? Oct 10 03:44:45 bobby: that should do it. Oct 10 03:45:07 In the future, just be sure you update the package manager service FIRST if there's an update for both available. Oct 10 03:45:12 is that obvious to see on webos qi? Oct 10 03:45:15 if it doesn't work, bome back. Oct 10 03:45:22 bobby: not really. Oct 10 03:45:28 k I'll try it in the m Oct 10 03:45:30 am Oct 10 03:45:34 thx man Oct 10 03:45:35 wait Oct 10 03:45:38 k Oct 10 03:45:41 veedub: haha ok Oct 10 03:45:55 do you mean is it obvious that you should do it in that order, or obvious how to remove the packages? Oct 10 03:46:35 idk. Does it matter the uninstall order? Oct 10 03:46:41 not in the slightest Oct 10 03:46:50 and you can install them both at the same time with WOSQI Oct 10 03:46:58 I just was wondering if it was hard to find in webosqi Oct 10 03:46:59 It's only when updating that you have to be careful Oct 10 03:47:05 no, it's not hard to find at all. Oct 10 03:47:32 one of the menus at the top as an item labeled "Device management" and you litterall check the boxes for what you want to remove, and then click "remove packages" Oct 10 03:47:34 and where in preware do I find package mgmnt services? List of everything? Oct 10 03:47:36 couldn't be much easier. Oct 10 03:48:09 In WOSQI, it's simpler. You find "Device Management" in the menus, and all installed packages are listed in alphabetical order. Oct 10 03:48:30 sweet Oct 10 03:48:33 just remove both, then reinstall both from the webos-internals-all feed. Oct 10 03:48:35 anything else? Oct 10 03:48:36 very very easy. Oct 10 03:48:51 Sure, don't drop your Pre in the toilet, and be nice to your wife. That's all I got. Oct 10 03:49:02 lol ok Oct 10 03:49:16 good luck. I"ll be in and out if it doesn't work, and there's always a few folks around. Oct 10 03:49:17 webos internals all feed??? Oct 10 03:49:33 yup, the EXACT same way you installed Preware originally. Oct 10 03:49:35 that n webosqi? Oct 10 03:49:42 oh ok Oct 10 03:49:49 I'll get it. Thx Oct 10 03:49:52 any time. Oct 10 03:53:24 still therezn Oct 10 03:53:36 steve Oct 10 03:54:06 do I gotta remove patches before uninstalling preware? Oct 10 03:54:21 server still looks seriously over burdened? Oct 10 03:54:30 the nice people at OSU OSL just upped the ram on the preware server by slightly more than 2x and preware is running fast again. Oct 10 03:54:32 thank god. Oct 10 03:55:00 still stuck checking version here Oct 10 03:55:32 maybe i'll just wait until tomorrow Oct 10 03:56:17 checking version = reboot your pre Oct 10 03:56:34 bobby: no. You don't have to remove anything. Oct 10 03:56:41 been there ... done that Oct 10 03:56:48 i"ll try again tho Oct 10 04:01:41 yay... it's alive! Oct 10 04:14:43 so i see Oct 10 04:18:50 50 requests per second -- 400 apache instances running, serious php caching, 4 gig of ram, and it's STILL maxing out Oct 10 04:18:57 geist - you built something popular. Oct 10 04:23:43 hi Oct 10 04:24:23 rick_home: cool! Oct 10 04:25:09 rick_home: the nice people aren't at OSUOSL, it's the nslu2-linux.org guy (dyoung) in Hawaii who upped the RAM Oct 10 04:25:33 (the nice people at osuosl.org will install the new additional ram when we ship it to them) Oct 10 04:31:12 yay dyoung! Oct 10 04:32:13 dyoung, Thanks for the RAM Oct 10 04:36:35 rwhitby, thanks for the instructions... all updated now Oct 10 04:39:34 * jtee went crazy and upgraded to ubuntu beta - karmic - also tonight Oct 10 04:39:53 oh yeah, need to do that too Oct 10 04:41:06 went fairly well.. had a few glitches booting back up but all ok now - got matlab, standard networks services, etc back online Oct 10 04:41:39 had to re-write menu.lst to allow dual boot Oct 10 04:42:18 but i answered to install all the installer default .confs instead of saving my old ones... so I wasn't suprised Oct 10 04:48:56 http://twitpic.com/kxhn0 Oct 10 04:51:38 rwhitby, somewhat non-linear there Oct 10 04:59:45 hey is there a way to bring bookmarks back to restore in 1.2.1 if I already restored my backup to 1.1 when replaced my Pre? Oct 10 05:04:28 short answer: I know of no way Ehsan Oct 10 05:06:14 yeah that is what i thought. darn sprint folks need to update their phones to 1.2 Oct 10 05:06:51 i didnt even thought abt it or otherwise i would just made a new profile just to update firmware before restoring mine Oct 10 05:07:06 anyways thanks for confirming it Oct 10 05:09:44 * rwhitby bbl Oct 10 05:10:24 later Oct 10 05:10:47 i'm outta here - got tennis in the morning Oct 10 05:45:13 oil, rwhitby, ping? Oct 10 05:51:39 hey guys, anyone still up? Oct 10 05:52:44 Is anyone else having trouble with Preware? I cant get past "Checking Version" even if i switch to manual updates **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Oct 10 19:46:08 2009 Oct 10 19:50:46 netsplit? Oct 10 20:16:25 sit still people, its hard to get a headshot with you lot hopping about Oct 10 20:21:42 anyone home?? Oct 10 20:23:17 does luna need to be restarted after every patch, or can i just doin it once at end? Oct 10 20:23:34 i'm referring to the webos-patch feed Oct 10 20:24:47 once at the end Oct 10 20:25:26 thanks Oct 10 20:27:06 lol tmobile fail Oct 10 20:27:06 http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/10/t-mobile-we-probably-lost-all-your-sidekick-data/ hahaahhaha Oct 10 20:32:46 seems the gsm carriers in the states are pretty hardcore fail Oct 10 20:33:16 [; Oct 10 20:33:30 yup yup Oct 10 20:35:39 anyone notice the date list on autopatch is not correct? Oct 10 20:36:07 several patches update last night, but show up as updated today.? Oct 10 20:39:02 maybe its not reported in your local time? Oct 10 20:42:04 not sure what happens there. Oct 10 20:42:21 * oil is Oct 10 20:42:24 its not a day-day thing Oct 10 20:42:30 its a "in the last 24 hours" thing Oct 10 20:42:39 it should probably be changed Oct 10 20:43:00 What should I do if I update preware/PMS without running E{R Oct 10 20:43:07 EPR Oct 10 20:43:17 cosmetic for me, but could be confusing. :) Oct 10 20:45:08 i dont know much about epr/patches/etc Oct 10 20:45:28 you're lookin for egaudet or dBsooner Oct 10 20:45:32 but neither seem to be here Oct 10 20:45:36 i updated preware without running emr Oct 10 20:45:42 err epr Oct 10 20:46:11 cause now I can't remove any of the patches. :(( Oct 10 20:46:13 you can use quilt to remove the patches before installing them with autopatch Oct 10 20:46:38 phone and patch still work ok, but can't remove patches.. or install new one. :( Oct 10 20:46:52 odd Oct 10 20:47:06 i can add/remove patches fine and i didnt run epr first Oct 10 20:47:15 maybe its due to a specific patch? Oct 10 20:47:24 let me see what the error is in the log Oct 10 20:51:06 try to add the camera sound patch (green), can't patch it. Oct 10 20:54:35 lemme remove grey and try green :p Oct 10 20:55:25 did you have any camera patches already before updating? Oct 10 20:55:44 also, webos-patch does not recognize that I already have several patches install.. such as add/delete launcher, messaging, email, etc.. :( Oct 10 20:56:12 yeah, it didnt recognize my previously installed patches Oct 10 20:56:25 ok.. that may be the problem now.. Oct 10 20:57:50 yeah, the patch installed fine for me Oct 10 20:58:11 the only patches i had previous to the upgrade were my messenger patch and a manual edit to the bar Oct 10 21:01:21 I just remove the old add/delette and restart.. i'll try to install it after restart Oct 10 21:02:44 k Oct 10 21:03:21 huytrang90: the NEW patcher is incompatible with the OLD patcher, so you have to remove the old patches FIRST Oct 10 21:03:25 or use EPR Oct 10 21:04:55 I happened to update preware before doing EPR.. how can i fix it now? Oct 10 21:05:17 I tried to remove the patches, then now preware does not list it as available, but list them as installed Oct 10 21:05:33 but the patch is not apply.. (add/delete in launcher) :( Oct 10 21:19:39 were can i get webos.tar for 1.2.1? Oct 10 21:20:45 i just really need 3 files from 1.2.1 Oct 10 21:22:41 i forgot to backup 3 files before editing them, please god, don't tell me I need to start all over again Oct 10 21:23:22 well if you're waiting for God to get back to you ... Oct 10 21:23:34 lol Oct 10 21:26:30 found my problem, im dumb Oct 10 21:30:17 http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/p121r0d10092009/sr1ntp121rod/webosdoctorp100ewwsprint.jar Oct 10 21:30:25 not sure if anyone noticed the 1.2.1 updated webos doctor Oct 10 21:32:04 someone download it and md5 it Oct 10 21:32:39 i am grabbing it, but i am on a slow link Oct 10 21:34:33 yea, i dont get it, all the files have the same name but diffrent versins? confusing as hell Oct 10 21:36:53 does webOS do anything special with HTTP Post requests? Oct 10 21:37:22 oil, i get e7600251e12e5b96f3143138ba61b9eb for the md5 Oct 10 21:40:16 because I have a post request and when I run it in safari it returns what is is suppose to return. But then when I run it on the emulator it returns "Use POST Not GET" Oct 10 21:53:36 morning Oct 10 21:54:42 server is much happier in the last 12 hours Oct 10 21:54:52 yes tks. Oct 10 21:57:03 rwhitby: people have been having problems with the service not running Oct 10 21:57:09 when they say they've installed everything correctly Oct 10 21:57:22 yeah, dunno about that. Oct 10 21:57:44 it would be great if we could get some /var/log/messages from them Oct 10 21:57:49 anyone with a repeatable test case? Oct 10 21:57:49 is this still the java service ? Oct 10 21:58:07 rwhitby: not in here Oct 10 21:58:10 oil: so a "get /var/log/messages" method in ipkgservice? Oct 10 21:58:15 bpadalino: yes Oct 10 21:58:29 rwhitby: idk, they could just go through the stuff and get it to us Oct 10 21:58:31 lol Oct 10 21:58:45 you can use internalz and its service to copy the file to /media/internal and usb it off Oct 10 21:58:49 yep Oct 10 21:58:49 thats what ive talked people through before Oct 10 21:58:54 or if they have terminal just mv it Oct 10 21:59:12 i bet you'll find the same thing i saw a while ago with the service causing an OOM exception and crashing the JVM Oct 10 22:00:03 did they add some thickness to the Pre's chin area (the back cover feels thicker at the bottom) Oct 10 22:00:31 bpadalino: we fixed that one Oct 10 22:00:37 ah that's good Oct 10 22:00:41 i should update my preware then Oct 10 22:02:39 hey jason Oct 10 22:04:12 hrmm .. Oct 10 22:04:32 brb, food Oct 10 22:05:18 how out of date am i if i am still looking for a feed at ipkg.preware.org/feeds/preware/arch/Packages.gz ? Oct 10 22:05:21 hi oil Oct 10 22:05:29 anyone knows how the moving of applications folder go? Oct 10 22:05:36 bpadalino: very out of date - remove that file Oct 10 22:06:07 thanks Oct 10 22:07:12 anyone know why i get url undefined when using upload in the download manager Oct 10 22:23:43 btw, Luna Manager is no longer able to "Restart Java" with the new PMS Oct 10 22:25:19 huytrang90: that is not the case Oct 10 22:26:02 oopss.. did I get the wrong version of Luna Manager? Oct 10 22:36:25 no, it hasn't changed recently Oct 10 22:39:59 so maybe it is my phone then. :( Oct 10 22:42:26 hi folks - finally got my pre running using meta-wiki, but it refuses to sign into my profile. Any ideas? Oct 10 22:42:47 ConfusedVorlon: dunno Oct 10 22:43:06 rwhitby: did your sign in ok? Oct 10 22:43:12 yep Oct 10 22:43:34 I guess I can try Palm support... Oct 10 22:44:19 hey y'all, I'm skiping activation with the meta-wii hack, and launching first use from the terminal (yes, I have modified it so it doesn't check the modem) - but now it won't sign in. What do you suggest? Oct 10 22:44:28 you think they'll help? Oct 10 22:45:55 all this to get access to the app store... Oct 10 22:45:56 is http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/p121r0d10092009/sr1ntp121rod/webosdoctorp100ewwsprint.jar = md5 e7600251e12e5b96f3143138ba61b9eb = WebOS 1.2.1 ? Oct 10 22:46:20 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions Oct 10 22:46:37 i dont see that md5 in the list Oct 10 22:46:59 probally 1.2.1 then? Oct 10 22:47:10 is 1.2.1 Oct 10 22:47:27 release date is 09/30 vs. 09/14 for 1.2 Oct 10 22:47:41 ok, ty Oct 10 22:48:57 any bell users in here? Oct 10 22:49:17 * oil thinks jason needs to get a bell pre xD Oct 10 22:50:11 I need the new Bell Doctor url Oct 10 22:50:18 I got the sprint 1, heh Oct 10 22:50:29 yeah, i dont know of anyone with one Oct 10 22:53:15 seriously? no one here have a Bell Pre *cry* Oct 10 22:53:26 lol Oct 10 22:53:32 lolol Oct 10 22:54:19 so how rich are you now kesne? Oct 10 22:54:34 How many times do I have to say that I don't know? Oct 10 22:54:40 lol Oct 10 22:54:56 so payments aren't per-transaction Oct 10 22:55:01 its a bulk monthly thing? Oct 10 22:55:03 using ratios I can guess around 3000-5000 download counts Oct 10 22:55:05 Monthly, yes Oct 10 22:55:14 ah Oct 10 22:55:17 kesne did you get your lost potential revenue from palm Oct 10 22:55:31 kesne didn't lose any Oct 10 22:55:31 They havent replied on that end Oct 10 22:55:41 kesne - is this sales through the app store? Oct 10 22:55:44 his for-pay app had a different id then the homebrew version Oct 10 22:55:56 oil: people still hacked it Oct 10 22:56:04 right Oct 10 22:56:12 ConfusedVorlon: Not sure what you mean Oct 10 22:56:15 but not as many who would have accidentially updated Oct 10 22:56:23 oil: that is correct Oct 10 22:56:39 you are talking about cash on sales. - I hopped in late, is this sales through the app store? Oct 10 22:56:48 Ah, yes it is Oct 10 22:57:00 probably a dumb question, but does anyone have a 1.x version pre running? Oct 10 22:57:08 no Oct 10 22:57:11 that seems to be the only way to get any download numbers... Oct 10 22:57:16 but i do have the 1.1 catalog, i could look for ya Oct 10 22:57:17 Only for free apps Oct 10 22:57:27 right, your app is pay? Oct 10 22:57:34 oil: how many on the dotgame? Oct 10 22:57:43 70k? Oct 10 22:57:45 something like that Oct 10 22:57:46 oh - paid apps don't show in the 1.x appstore? Oct 10 22:57:55 ConfusedVorlon: that is correct Oct 10 22:58:40 kesne, have you tried looking at the json that gets sent to the app store app? In the 1.x versions it was printed to the console, and showed downloads as cntDownloads Oct 10 22:59:00 the 1.2 appstore doesn't print the json - but that would be an easy hack Oct 10 22:59:19 i'm guessing that the same data is still sent through Oct 10 22:59:20 oil: would you mind taking a look Oct 10 22:59:26 I don't have my pre handy Oct 10 22:59:45 I can't log into a profils, so can't get any appstore access at all Oct 10 22:59:45 look at what? Oct 10 23:00:10 oil: when the appstore app gets the detail for an app, the json has an element cntDownloads Oct 10 23:00:12 What ConfusedVorlon is talking about Oct 10 23:00:28 in the 1.x appstore there is a debug line that outputs the json to the console Oct 10 23:00:29 * oil doesn't feel like messing with the catalog Oct 10 23:03:49 hi Oct 10 23:04:07 hi Oct 10 23:04:20 maybe tharris will change his catalog for ya Oct 10 23:04:24 he seems to be pretty good at it Oct 10 23:04:32 tharris-: they want to see download counts for paid apps Oct 10 23:06:48 lol Oct 10 23:10:51 * rwhitby bbl Oct 10 23:19:06 evening folks Oct 10 23:20:41 SGU is still going? Oct 10 23:20:41 xD Oct 10 23:21:06 SGU just started Oct 10 23:21:24 i know Oct 10 23:21:42 but you changed your nick to show you were watching it Oct 10 23:22:16 aww hush up and finish that PS3 app Oct 10 23:22:26 never going to happen Oct 10 23:22:36 haha Oct 10 23:22:51 on that note, what's the "other" webos book people have picked up? Oct 10 23:23:09 I got the oreilly one, but I thought someone mentioned one that's supposed to be better when chrisa was here the other day Oct 10 23:24:21 * oil has no clue Oct 10 23:24:26 what're you trying to learn? Oct 10 23:26:07 well I stopped working on actual apps when I hit a brick wall with the datpiff app and moved into working on prethemer Oct 10 23:26:29 the wall I hit was with headless apps, and I figured I should prolly read the damn book instead of winging it to grasp wtf I was doing wrong Oct 10 23:26:32 never got around to it Oct 10 23:26:58 lol Oct 10 23:28:54 all idle BS tho, cuz I nevr slow down enough to read a book. ill prolyl just wing it again when I pick it back up Oct 10 23:31:56 welcome back Oct 10 23:32:12 any Bell users in here now? :p Oct 10 23:33:43 * oil hears crickets Oct 10 23:42:37 yep Oct 10 23:42:42 im bell user Oct 10 23:45:16 hey! Oct 10 23:45:41 JayCanuck is looking for a bell user to get him the url for the bell 1.2.1 doctor Oct 10 23:48:14 yepyepyep Oct 10 23:49:50 entity u there? Oct 10 23:58:41 anyone working on a gui irc app? Oct 10 23:58:58 irssi gets the job done but a mini-xchat or something would rule Oct 10 23:59:27 puff and I were working on one Oct 10 23:59:56 but he's been busy rewriting the ipkgservice in c Oct 11 00:01:00 oh nice was it from scratch or based off another mobile program? Oct 11 00:01:13 there are a few decent ones for windows mobile Oct 11 00:01:19 it would be a service and an app Oct 11 00:01:27 can't really base mojo off stuff from other phones Oct 11 00:01:30 as its javascript Oct 11 00:01:42 Is there any reason why the photo app can't recognize my photos that are in my DCIM folder? Oct 11 00:02:05 oh i know a straight up port wouldn't be entirely possible Oct 11 00:02:12 i was just babbling tbh Oct 11 00:02:14 lolz Oct 11 00:02:24 itl be "based" on other irc apps Oct 11 00:02:29 in that most of it will be messages Oct 11 00:02:37 with a box to type what you want to send at the bottom Oct 11 00:02:38 lol Oct 11 00:03:17 im here Oct 11 00:03:21 wtf do i need to do Oct 11 00:03:38 you guys keep missing each other Oct 11 00:03:43 haha yeah its definitely not a complex program visually that's for sure Oct 11 00:03:43 JayCanuck: he's back Oct 11 00:04:10 flazer: we're going to do it with a card-per-channel Oct 11 00:04:41 sick Oct 11 00:04:44 whats ETA? Oct 11 00:04:50 i need irc and msn Oct 11 00:04:56 that would be fantastic Oct 11 00:05:00 plus a server card Oct 11 00:05:03 msn is already there, irc is barely started Oct 11 00:05:12 where is msn Oct 11 00:08:00 anyone around Oct 11 00:08:29 yes Oct 11 00:08:37 is ur app store up Oct 11 00:08:50 I am. But I need to reboot my PC. Don't say anything interesting for the next two mins, k Oct 11 00:08:50 entity- check the homebrew forum, greg roll made it Oct 11 00:09:55 tharris- catalog works for me Oct 11 00:10:09 took it a while to startup though Oct 11 00:10:28 just checking =p Oct 11 00:16:42 oh, freakout is back, stop talking about him now Oct 11 00:16:54 * freakout 's ears were burning Oct 11 00:16:58 ya Oct 11 00:16:59 lol Oct 11 00:17:05 i seen that messaging plugin shit Oct 11 00:17:07 there was a total of 3 things said while you were gone Oct 11 00:17:07 but it wont install Oct 11 00:17:13 lol Oct 11 00:17:24 webos-internals, hotbed of gossip and scandal Oct 11 00:18:07 srsly Oct 11 00:19:39 cereal? Oct 11 00:20:19 someone needs to put that msn shit in preware Oct 11 00:20:30 so i can easily install and uninstall it Oct 11 00:20:46 talk to greg_roll Oct 11 00:21:40 The plugin isnt being released to Preware or Homebrew for a while Oct 11 00:22:15 why Oct 11 00:22:26 Still way too buggy for public use Oct 11 00:22:33 and incomplete Oct 11 00:22:43 k Oct 11 00:22:46 ill just wait Oct 11 00:36:54 is msn done yet? Oct 11 00:36:56 lol Oct 11 00:39:13 too quiet in here Oct 11 00:39:31 * oil TURNS ON CAPS LOCK Oct 11 00:39:37 haha Oct 11 00:39:40 LOUD ENOUGH NOW? Oct 11 00:39:46 SURE!!!! Oct 11 00:39:48 lol Oct 11 00:39:53 first night without any drama Oct 11 00:40:08 puff IS on vacation all weekend xD Oct 11 00:40:18 haha Oct 11 00:40:19 thats a joke! Oct 11 00:40:20 lol Oct 11 00:40:29 we had enough last night that is for sure Oct 11 00:40:50 well, melting servers is never good Oct 11 00:41:11 no Oct 11 00:44:47 hey guys Oct 11 00:44:57 hey Oct 11 00:45:40 hi Oct 11 00:46:10 hm, the 1.2.1 (or 1.2.0) update didn't add download support to the browser? Oct 11 00:46:15 to download images and such? :\ Oct 11 00:46:29 whats up? besides the usual adventerous task of being a webos-internals chater! Oct 11 00:46:35 not unless it is a direct link Oct 11 00:46:49 what if it is? Oct 11 00:46:58 * oil is pluggin away on preware Oct 11 00:47:00 like on google images.. "view image" Oct 11 00:47:10 * tharris- is doing usual secuirty stuff Oct 11 00:47:12 dls it like a regular file maybe Oct 11 00:47:13 * Decimate is playing on his new zuneHD :D Oct 11 00:47:15 im not sure Oct 11 00:47:17 * tharris- is doing usual security stuff Oct 11 00:47:40 it just shows it. Oct 11 00:48:17 Azalyn: hold orange and tap the image Oct 11 00:48:51 ah... damn Oct 11 00:48:53 thanks. Oct 11 00:49:09 apparently you can open links in a new tab too? Oct 11 00:49:24 orange + tap link? Oct 11 00:49:28 just dont try and download a 25 meg pdf file =p Oct 11 00:50:13 decimate, you like the HD man? Oct 11 00:50:22 cool Oct 11 00:50:24 :D Oct 11 00:50:37 if all else fails Oct 11 00:50:40 orange + tap Oct 11 00:50:40 xD Oct 11 00:51:24 SMKOUT333: i love it. Oct 11 00:51:42 Ive been thinking about picking one up since it was released :P Oct 11 00:51:44 the multi touch/accelerometer is REALLY smooth. Oct 11 00:51:57 im confident the apps will come, but for now, its fine. Oct 11 00:51:59 get one. Oct 11 00:52:42 phone is fun Oct 11 00:52:55 ok, I will :P Oct 11 00:53:03 just been looking for that last reason Oct 11 00:53:19 I dont like that it doesnt have a volume rocker though.. Oct 11 00:54:19 someone help me make a porn app Oct 11 00:54:27 no Oct 11 00:54:44 why not Oct 11 00:55:17 there is definitely a marken for one :P Oct 11 00:55:22 market * Oct 11 00:55:29 yep Oct 11 00:56:35 the first device to get porn apps wins Oct 11 00:57:41 GARANTEED Oct 11 00:57:49 its phone Oct 11 00:58:06 these porno addicts can take it any where Oct 11 00:58:18 spublic bathrooms Oct 11 00:58:22 office at work Oct 11 00:58:33 mobile porn browser Oct 11 01:01:34 scary the truth that u speak Oct 11 01:02:17 there already is a porn app Oct 11 01:02:20 its called the web browser... Oct 11 01:02:36 +1 Oct 11 01:03:28 the browser is gay though Oct 11 01:03:42 you need to make it easier Oct 11 01:03:47 only if thats the type of porn you look for... Oct 11 01:03:47 like one buton porn Oct 11 01:04:07 not that there is anything wrong with that Oct 11 01:04:10 you could have it Oct 11 01:04:14 PrePorn Oct 11 01:04:21 then when the app loads Oct 11 01:04:28 its sorts it Oct 11 01:04:32 pics Oct 11 01:04:35 vids Oct 11 01:04:41 then type of porn Oct 11 01:04:43 the first category is bestiality cause it starts with a b? Oct 11 01:04:49 i highly doubt you would get a professional group to acknowledege it Oct 11 01:05:00 oil it would be "A" first Oct 11 01:05:14 what type of porn starts with an a? Oct 11 01:05:21 lol Oct 11 01:05:23 lol Oct 11 01:05:30 dude Oct 11 01:05:30 depends on ur age i guess Oct 11 01:05:37 brb... Oct 11 01:05:41 * oil goes to store Oct 11 01:09:35 is there anywhere that has updates on the gstreamer mod that's being worked on to have more codec support? Oct 11 01:41:22 hello? Oct 11 01:41:45 I need help Oct 11 01:43:18 lol Oct 11 01:43:22 well, i would have attempted to help had you stuck around Oct 11 01:43:38 dude, you took longer than a minute Oct 11 01:43:41 that's a no no Oct 11 01:46:55 lol Oct 11 01:47:01 I never get help with my problems <.< Oct 11 01:47:14 whats your problem? Oct 11 01:47:22 I dont have one atm lol Oct 11 01:48:40 My problem is *you*, oil Oct 11 01:48:42 you don't reply instantly Oct 11 01:48:57 you have to be cool like me to get OIL to respond asap Oct 11 01:49:06 it's disgusting, the way you make us beg for your Awesome hx0r knowledge Oct 11 01:49:09 * DarthPooh demands OIL's attention! Oct 11 01:49:14 DarthPooh: what's your secret? Oct 11 01:49:28 Brandon's in love with me... Oct 11 01:49:59 true story, in real life ;) Oct 11 01:50:23 Is there a way I can get instant updates about articles from PreCentral to my email? Oct 11 01:51:18 you mean, an article that's been updated or just like a feed in EMAIL format? Oct 11 01:52:14 feedburner.google.com Oct 11 01:57:28 Like if a new article gets posted on PreCentral, I want to get an instant update sent to my email Oct 11 01:58:11 everything I've tried only gives daily updates or weekly ones Oct 11 01:58:13 rwhitby doesn't let oil out of his cage very often Oct 11 01:59:21 ? Oct 11 01:59:48 ;) Oct 11 02:00:00 oh I get it abyssul... have you tried feedmyinbox? Oct 11 02:00:41 that only does daily updates Oct 11 02:00:43 ~oilsnack Oct 11 02:00:52 Tim! Oct 11 02:00:57 Eguy! Oct 11 02:01:13 What should I have for lunch? Oct 11 02:01:46 I just had tikka masala Oct 11 02:01:51 mmmmm Oct 11 02:02:11 No good curry places nearby, and I can't be bothered cooking. I'm thinking curry pie from bakery. Oct 11 02:02:47 whats curry? Oct 11 02:02:57 Abyssul: :O Oct 11 02:02:57 spicy dish Oct 11 02:03:04 but yes :O Oct 11 02:03:19 It's a reason to live Oct 11 02:03:22 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curry Oct 11 02:04:08 we dont have any of those places here lol Oct 11 02:06:18 Oh man, Abyssul. you're missing out. Oct 11 02:06:34 Hehe Oct 11 02:06:38 it's one of the beauties of modern multicultural australia: every ethnic food you can imagine Oct 11 02:06:41 Abyssul: hmmm rss2email works with python ;) Oct 11 02:06:48 Welcome to South Cakalaky Oct 11 02:06:51 http://rss2email.infogami.com/getstarted Oct 11 02:07:23 I need a way to get notifications Oct 11 02:07:31 Not actually reading the feed Oct 11 02:08:00 i suppose I dont understand then Oct 11 02:08:27 this is a way Oct 11 02:08:39 Abyssul: if there is nothing that does exactly what you want, create one Oct 11 02:08:41 its that simple Oct 11 02:09:20 Wow did you guys read the recent article? Oct 11 02:09:25 That is some messed up stuff lol Oct 11 02:09:50 the cloud? Oct 11 02:09:54 ya Oct 11 02:10:01 yeah, sk users got fucked hard Oct 11 02:10:39 get use to it as the "cloud" takes over Oct 11 02:18:27 some palm users have already felt cloud troubles Oct 11 02:19:37 when trying to load their profile on a freshly doctor'd phone, not being able to use it because they couldn't hit hte server Oct 11 02:19:43 That includes me Oct 11 02:19:49 what we need is the ability for anyone to run their own servers and transfer data between them at will Oct 11 02:19:49 me as well Oct 11 02:19:57 I lost all my palm profile info Oct 11 02:20:04 Including contacts Oct 11 02:20:09 what we need is the ability to take a snapshot and load locally Oct 11 02:20:15 yeah, that too Oct 11 02:20:20 Eventually we can Oct 11 02:20:32 I was speaking more generally about clouds Oct 11 02:20:45 your only as good as the backups in the cloud Oct 11 02:20:54 point made my tmobile Oct 11 02:21:01 sidekick users Oct 11 02:21:56 i pinged palm with some general questions about their backup / security policies. will bet you $1,000,000,000 they tell me nothing Oct 11 02:22:19 Of course not Oct 11 02:35:05 Abyssul: I agree we need a secondary backup method. Oct 11 02:35:23 Perferable a home version Oct 11 02:35:43 ability to use SFTP or USB to sync with an on-computer database Oct 11 02:36:27 well, of course, you CAN do it now. Oct 11 02:36:37 Abyssul: what's your desktop os? Oct 11 02:36:44 Win7 64 bit Oct 11 02:37:30 Abyssul: DeltaCopy is a native rsync program for windows. Works fine on win7 Oct 11 02:37:38 use optware to install rsync to the pre. Oct 11 02:37:42 backup to your desktop Oct 11 02:37:45 no big deal Oct 11 02:37:46 I couldnt ever to get it to work Oct 11 02:37:54 really? Oct 11 02:37:56 but Oct 11 02:37:57 uh Oct 11 02:38:01 it's not hard. Oct 11 02:38:04 what went wrong? Oct 11 02:38:50 ill try again Oct 11 02:38:57 Does it backup contacts and palm profile info? Oct 11 02:40:21 if properly set up, it backup up EVER FILE ON THE PRE Oct 11 02:40:23 every one Oct 11 02:40:25 all of them Oct 11 02:40:27 everything Oct 11 02:41:22 and how to you restore? Oct 11 02:41:29 rsync back Oct 11 02:42:47 rick_home: just kinda coming in here - i installed deltacopy, now where instructions on how to set up the pre to work with rsync Oct 11 02:44:26 exactly^ Oct 11 02:44:36 lol Oct 11 02:54:27 http://www.linux.com/news/enterprise/storage/8200-back-up-like-an-expert-with-rsync Oct 11 02:55:40 rick_home: i got the desktop client to work Oct 11 02:55:44 but i couldnt get the service to work? Oct 11 02:55:50 server* Oct 11 02:57:26 you couldnt get the pre to work or the windows desktop? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Oct 11 02:59:56 2009