**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Oct 12 02:59:56 2009 Oct 12 03:01:04 phiq2: use this short one - "pkill LunaSysMgr" Oct 12 03:01:08 will only restart luna Oct 12 03:14:23 no Oct 12 03:14:36 initctl stop LunaSysMgr && initctl start LunaSysMgr Oct 12 03:15:03 luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm;applicationManager/rescan {} only rescans.. doesn't restart Oct 12 03:15:15 pkill LunaSysMgr only kills Oct 12 03:15:54 dbSooner, have you looked into the "calender-all-day-events-month-view" patch? Oct 12 03:16:03 it's broke Oct 12 03:16:04 and not yet Oct 12 03:16:08 pkill restarts the service Oct 12 03:16:09 My brother is leaving in the morning Oct 12 03:16:19 he is home on pre-deployment leaves Oct 12 03:16:29 so I have been busy Oct 12 03:16:46 i'll look at it in a lil bit Oct 12 03:17:45 Alright :) Oct 12 03:32:05 dBsooner: pkill LunaSysMgr restarts it, actually. Oct 12 03:35:34 pkill kills it... upstart restarts it ;) Oct 12 03:36:41 the command alone will give the same affect as initctl stop LunaSysMgr && initctl start LunaSysMgr Oct 12 03:36:43 just shorter. Oct 12 03:37:21 Puff the Magic hack-er codes on his Pre; and frolics in Gitorious in a land called IRC. :/ Oct 12 03:37:44 lol Oct 12 03:37:54 oh goodness. Oct 12 03:38:10 sounds like someone has been puffing the magic Oct 12 03:38:16 rofl Oct 12 03:38:19 :p Oct 12 03:39:11 Is applying patches with WOSQI still ok even with the patch feed changes? Oct 12 03:39:24 Yes Oct 12 03:39:51 Tweaks and patches with WOSQI are compatible with Preware Oct 12 03:40:57 My preware doesn't apply patches as we know Oct 12 03:40:58 supporting WOSQI/preload sorta feels like apple recommending windows Oct 12 03:43:19 egaudet: http://i34.tinypic.com/x58up5.jpg Oct 12 03:45:30 anyone there Oct 12 03:47:00 isnt the phone radio toggle patch the same as airplane mode? Oct 12 03:48:25 no that shuts off bluetooth as well Oct 12 03:48:50 what about EVDO data? Oct 12 03:49:02 dunno, i would expect so though Oct 12 03:49:10 since evdo uses cdma Oct 12 03:50:37 oh and wifi too Oct 12 03:50:53 airplane shuts off wifi and bluetooth in addition to phone Oct 12 03:53:01 The phone patch would disable the radio (in turn the EVDO connection too), but you can keep the bluetooth and Wifi connection available Oct 12 04:00:11 I'm sorry if this has been asked before. But I am haivng a problem downloading Preware through WebOS Quick Install. The feed for webos internals is not there Oct 12 04:00:26 Is the feed down or has it been changed? Oct 12 04:01:02 Or is it something I'm doing. Oct 12 04:01:13 how do i get the value of this freaking textfield Oct 12 04:01:18 its killing i tried everything i knew Oct 12 04:01:30 what version of webos quick install do you have? Oct 12 04:01:45 atlanta: what is the name of the model of the textfield? Oct 12 04:02:13 to rick_home version 2.72 Oct 12 04:02:27 this.controller.setupWidget("tweet", this.attributes = { Oct 12 04:02:28 the newest version Oct 12 04:02:29 tweet Oct 12 04:02:33 rick_home: tweet Oct 12 04:02:43 or do i have to set it using modelProperty? Oct 12 04:02:54 not exactly Oct 12 04:02:57 assume you did Oct 12 04:03:20 this.tweetModel = {value: "Something"} Oct 12 04:03:53 then you did this.controller.setupWidget("tweet",{},this.tweetModel) Oct 12 04:04:10 then you get the value OUT of it by just asking for this.tweetModel.value Oct 12 04:04:26 rick_home: http://webos.pastebin.com/d33364fb7 Oct 12 04:04:57 oh so i need to put the model in its own object Oct 12 04:04:58 ? Oct 12 04:05:04 or give it a name Oct 12 04:05:08 i just used this.model Oct 12 04:05:15 atlanta Oct 12 04:05:40 if you want to get the value OUT it's MUCH MUCH easier if you make the model an object and then reference the object when you want the value Oct 12 04:05:44 much MUCH easier. Oct 12 04:05:46 Not only that Oct 12 04:05:57 but if you want to programmatically push values INTO the object.... Oct 12 04:06:13 you do this.tweetModel.value = "God knows what" Oct 12 04:06:31 and then you do this.controller.modelUpdated(this.tweetModel) Oct 12 04:06:31 ok thanks rick Oct 12 04:06:40 ok gotcha Oct 12 04:06:46 that is, you're not telling it the WIDGET is updated, your telling it the MODEL is updated Oct 12 04:06:53 which is "odd" but that's the way they wrote it Oct 12 04:07:41 lol yea i was trying to find some documentation but palm has shit everywhere Oct 12 04:07:58 rick_home: worked flawlessly thanks bud Oct 12 04:08:17 welcome Oct 12 04:08:25 it actually IS in the docs Oct 12 04:09:33 really where Oct 12 04:09:52 i knew it would be there just seems like theres 2 pages for everything in the docs Oct 12 04:11:36 did you see my response? Oct 12 04:13:24 Guest9393: what was your question Oct 12 04:14:00 [00:00] I'm sorry if this has been asked before. But I am haivng a problem downloading Preware through WebOS Quick Install. The feed for webos internals is not there Oct 12 04:15:08 [00:00] Is the feed down or has it been changed? Oct 12 04:15:17 I was trying to check Oct 12 04:15:18 wierd Oct 12 04:15:24 didn't forget you Oct 12 04:15:26 sorry easeier to copy and paste Oct 12 04:16:01 I figured. Just got lost helping alanta Oct 12 04:16:04 np Oct 12 04:16:06 :) Oct 12 04:16:17 going to be a few more minutes too. Oct 12 04:16:26 np Oct 12 04:25:50 Guest9393: the webos internals feed works for me Oct 12 04:25:52 try again Oct 12 04:26:34 Did and redownloaded the quick install Oct 12 04:26:49 hi all Oct 12 04:27:15 how do i uninstall the optware changes i made to SFTP without using webos repair or doctor? Oct 12 04:35:47 anyone know how to do this? Oct 12 04:35:57 everyone is asleep Oct 12 04:36:09 how lame Oct 12 04:36:22 get an iPhone there is 24/7 support Oct 12 04:36:53 lamer Oct 12 04:36:53 lol Oct 12 04:37:15 frick.. I hate pulse audio.. Getting a permission error trying to run something that consumes sound /dev/dsp and is not root. checks the home dir permissons of all things Oct 12 04:37:38 * Eguy thinks this channel should be renamed to webos-technicalsupport Oct 12 04:45:40 So, after updating the package manager service, updating Preware, then running emergency patch removal, I believe my user account was deleted.... How do I check if it still exists? Oct 12 04:46:26 try and login? Oct 12 04:47:23 well...yea. but is there a way to list what users there are (thru the terminal plugin) Oct 12 04:47:37 vi sudoers Oct 12 04:49:39 there isn't a file called sudoers Oct 12 04:52:35 anyone here of WebOS 1.2.1 installing twice? This is a wierd situation: I installed webos 1.2 and when 1.2.1 came out i installed that too. Well, yesterday my phone said there was a new update to install (1.2.1) and it installed it again. And it looks like now my user account is gone... Oct 12 04:53:47 i've been trying to connect to my pre using PuTTY over wifi, i'm gonna enable dev mode and see if everything still works Oct 12 04:56:18 hebrew what user account are you referring to? Oct 12 04:56:31 your palm account or your ssh backdoor Oct 12 04:56:34 linux user account Oct 12 04:56:49 the one you make so you don't have to use root for everything Oct 12 04:57:03 4pm, and I can escape this hell hole. thank christ! Oct 12 04:57:33 crap, I can't connect even using dev mode Oct 12 04:57:36 oh just go in and set it up again Oct 12 04:59:39 dam, ok. What would do that? Oct 12 05:07:06 bad day at work tim? Oct 12 05:25:54 tlp: I like you PuffTheMagic song ... Oct 12 05:26:01 s/you/your/ Oct 12 05:26:01 rwhitby meant: tlp: I like your PuffTheMagic song ... Oct 12 05:26:24 uh oh, I was hoping you wouldn't see it :p Oct 12 05:39:35 PuffTheMagic song? Oct 12 05:39:48 * oil is intrigued Oct 12 05:41:24 dragon...lives by the sea.. Oct 12 05:41:26 lol Oct 12 05:42:41 well i know that song Oct 12 05:42:44 i thought it was something else Oct 12 05:43:17 anyway to delete a linux user account on the pre? Oct 12 05:44:04 * Eguy thinks puffthemagic is a reference to an herbal cigarette Oct 12 05:44:15 21:36 < tlp> Puff the Magic hack-er codes on his Pre; and frolics in Gitorious in a land called IRC. :/ Oct 12 05:44:26 lol Oct 12 05:47:14 lol Oct 12 05:51:15 I would have said "frolics down in PreYourMind in a land called IRC ..." Oct 12 05:53:13 yes Oct 12 06:02:15 Eguy: every day is a bad day at work Oct 12 06:32:26 sorry to hear that freakout Oct 12 06:32:42 I have 9 hours until work, I can't wait Oct 12 06:32:53 lol Oct 12 06:42:41 it's all cool. I got my army enlistment date today. :D January 19th, I leave office jobs behind forever. yay! Oct 12 06:42:51 haha Oct 12 06:42:57 lol Oct 12 06:43:23 ...assuming i pass the fitness test that is.... Oct 12 06:43:25 I can't say anything bad about my job because my co-workers are the best people but I know how you feel from prior experiences Oct 12 06:43:45 ...but i reckon I got that in the bag. just got back from a run, 2.4km in 11mins. Oct 12 06:43:50 Eguy, you are a lucky man Oct 12 06:44:34 help Oct 12 06:44:35 know what else is good? German Pre tomorrow, and I'll have the necessary fundage the day after. :) Oct 12 06:44:39 i can;'t push any keys Oct 12 06:44:42 on my pre Oct 12 06:44:58 entity-: push harder Oct 12 06:45:01 entity- bang it against your head Oct 12 06:45:10 {it won't even turn off Oct 12 06:45:16 freakout with a pre? Oct 12 06:45:23 this isn't the technical support channel Oct 12 06:45:25 * oil won't know what to do when he starts requesting features Oct 12 06:45:27 what should i do Oct 12 06:45:50 freakout: are you getting a review unit? Oct 12 06:46:01 Eguy: nope, buying one unlocked Oct 12 06:46:11 lol, review unit Oct 12 06:46:17 like freakout works for precentral or something xD Oct 12 06:46:19 ouch-> $ Oct 12 06:46:21 oil: BTW, hurry the frakk up on the 1.1 patches feed :p Oct 12 06:46:27 oil: hey, screw you :p Oct 12 06:46:30 haha Oct 12 06:46:32 I've gotten review units before Oct 12 06:46:32 lmao Oct 12 06:46:38 hey, i've got nothing to do with feeds Oct 12 06:46:46 no help? Oct 12 06:46:56 reboot it entity- Oct 12 06:47:02 i just Oct 12 06:47:04 oil: http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/9528/palm-treo-500v-review/ Oct 12 06:47:05 took out battery Oct 12 06:47:10 http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/9503/palm-treo-750-review/ Oct 12 06:47:15 NEVER TAKE THE BATTERY OUT Oct 12 06:47:15 of course, they were all australian Oct 12 06:47:26 palminfocenter has been around forever Oct 12 06:47:34 I used to read it for palm os 4 Oct 12 06:47:42 Eguy: since 1999, before Precentral was even a gleam in Dieter's eye Oct 12 06:47:47 and then 5 and then cobalt Oct 12 06:47:56 Eguy: which makes the way they're currently pwning us even more humilating ;) Oct 12 06:47:58 and then I cried when cobalt was cnaceled Oct 12 06:48:02 lol Oct 12 06:48:08 you and a lot of others, Eguy Oct 12 06:48:16 I use a Cobalt skin on my Centro Oct 12 06:48:19 wtf Oct 12 06:48:19 Palm died that day Oct 12 06:48:29 how can i reboot it without taking out the baterry Oct 12 06:48:36 many ways Oct 12 06:48:46 taking the battery out bricks your phone Oct 12 06:48:46 Eguy: only to be reborn in 09 :) Oct 12 06:48:47 um ok wtf Oct 12 06:48:47 its back Oct 12 06:48:54 my keyboard just stopped working too Oct 12 06:48:56 back in five, must do squats while my legs are still warm Oct 12 06:49:01 LOL Oct 12 06:49:15 german unlocked Pre makes your legs warm Oct 12 06:49:20 wtf Oct 12 06:49:23 poor poor freakout Oct 12 06:49:28 maybe you need to call them and bitch Oct 12 06:49:44 oil: my legs? :p Oct 12 06:49:52 palm Oct 12 06:49:55 lol Oct 12 06:50:09 they'd say "tim carroll from palminfocenter is bitching at us. what else is new" Oct 12 06:50:22 "Hey, maybe we could give a reviewer to Precentral." Oct 12 06:50:52 lol Oct 12 06:51:15 "hello thank you for calling palm if you are Tim please press 1" Oct 12 06:51:19 "1" Oct 12 06:51:26 "Go away *click*" Oct 12 06:53:02 Eguy: lol Oct 12 06:53:05 okay, bbl Oct 12 06:53:59 so hey how do you reboot Oct 12 06:54:03 without taking out the batery Oct 12 06:54:11 orange sym r Oct 12 06:54:15 if the keyboard and power button arent working Oct 12 06:54:23 or read the instruction manual Oct 12 06:54:43 you guys are mean tonight Oct 12 06:54:49 lol Oct 12 06:54:53 I am always mean Oct 12 06:54:56 bad days? Oct 12 06:55:49 seriously, my keyboard randomly stopped working just when entity said that Oct 12 06:55:57 fucking bizarre Oct 12 06:55:59 weird Oct 12 06:56:10 you should cover your Pre with tinfoil Oct 12 06:56:13 contagious keyboard failure? Oct 12 06:56:28 seriously Oct 12 06:57:11 ya Oct 12 06:57:12 dde Oct 12 06:57:14 that was weird Oct 12 06:57:35 and your handles both start with e Oct 12 06:57:41 coincidence? Oct 12 06:57:45 not really Oct 12 06:57:48 you're next! Oct 12 06:57:49 heheh Oct 12 06:57:54 WOAH Oct 12 06:58:00 My pre just blew up!!!! Oct 12 06:58:05 o noes! Oct 12 07:03:07 it stopped Oct 12 07:03:16 hey! it turned into an iPhone! Oct 12 07:03:26 im sorry Oct 12 07:03:34 Thanks Oct 12 07:03:43 I am gonna go jump off a bridge right now Oct 12 07:06:52 well that sucked. it actually required removing the battery to get the keyboard back. rebooting didn't help Oct 12 07:07:32 i think it's haunted Oct 12 07:07:44 Weird Oct 12 07:07:53 The Pre is built like shit Oct 12 07:08:33 mine's been mostly ok.. a lot better than the earlier treos were Oct 12 07:08:42 i went through like 6 treo 650's Oct 12 07:08:52 havn't had to replace the pre yet Oct 12 07:10:02 my screen is loose Oct 12 07:10:07 and clicks Oct 12 07:10:37 what Oct 12 07:11:21 i think its built pretty fuckin good Oct 12 07:13:19 LOL Oct 12 07:13:23 are you serious? Oct 12 07:15:29 my pre is still in pretty good shape Oct 12 07:15:41 http://reviews.cnet.com/cell-phones/nokia-5100/4505-6454_7-30380306.html this was a well built phone Oct 12 07:15:52 I still have mine Oct 12 07:16:03 lol Oct 12 07:16:14 It had a flashlight :D Oct 12 07:16:22 and a thermometer Oct 12 07:16:26 water resistant is cool Oct 12 07:16:31 how resistant was it? Oct 12 07:16:36 extremely Oct 12 07:16:41 i had my 5210 until a few months ago when a friend needed a gsm phone Oct 12 07:16:46 I used it in pouring rain and it still worked Oct 12 07:17:00 but you can't compare nokia quality to any other phone company really Oct 12 07:17:01 it got soaked Oct 12 07:17:05 oil: ping ping ping Oct 12 07:17:14 oil: http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=1969473&posted=1#post1969473 Oct 12 07:17:20 Welcome back rwhitby! Oct 12 07:17:37 entity-: please keep the inappropriate language out of this channel. Oct 12 07:17:51 The battery lasted DAYS on that phone something the Pre will never do hahaha Oct 12 07:18:11 rwhitby: i figured it was due to the feeds Oct 12 07:18:36 oil: it looks like palm are adding up the sizes from ipkg list instead of ipkg list_installed. Oct 12 07:18:49 heh! Oct 12 07:18:53 that's funny. Oct 12 07:18:59 i have no trouble installing from the catalog Oct 12 07:19:02 need to do some more experiments to prove it, but that's what it looks like. Oct 12 07:19:08 Interesting rwhitby Oct 12 07:19:48 i wish palm had built/included the module_native_protocol_tcp.so module Oct 12 07:19:52 for pulseaudio Oct 12 07:20:09 oil: or at least they are somehow using the output of ipkg -o /var list in the queryInstallCapacity service method Oct 12 07:20:48 possibility of a patch to fix list to list_installed? Oct 12 07:20:49 What happens if you have over the "limit"? Oct 12 07:20:54 or is it done in binary Oct 12 07:21:33 oil: binary Oct 12 07:22:45 gonna let palm know? Oct 12 07:22:56 lol Oct 12 07:22:59 like they'll fix it Oct 12 07:23:29 whats the other option, to enable all feeds at preware startup Oct 12 07:23:33 then disable all of them on exit Oct 12 07:24:11 or change preware to somewhere besides -o /var Oct 12 07:24:17 to not mess with their stuff Oct 12 07:24:56 oil: yeah, one of the above Oct 12 07:25:03 Palm won't change it on our behalf. Oct 12 07:25:05 -o /var is conflicting? Oct 12 07:25:24 i take it telling it /var means to look in /var/etc/ipkg for the feeds Oct 12 07:25:39 if the feeds were elsewhere, it wouldn't show up in the list command Oct 12 07:26:20 yep, there are many options - need to work out which is the best one. Oct 12 07:30:07 the immediate work-around is to disable all feeds in Preware while you're using the Palm App Catalog. Oct 12 07:33:12 might be time to use /opt and modify luna.conf Oct 12 07:36:30 anyway, this is not a time for a knee-jerk reaction. we have a good work-around which allows us to take the time to consider the best long-term solution. Oct 12 07:38:01 and who knows, maybe palm will fix their code xD Oct 12 07:39:49 not in a time-frame we need. it would be at least 1 month or more for a problem found today to appear in a new firmware release Oct 12 07:40:41 and it's not a problem from their point of view - they don't have feed.conf files, so ipkg -o /var list usually gives them the right list (although it might also list all things you have previously installed and then deleted, I'm not sure) Oct 12 07:49:07 oil: seems Preware doesn't like it when no feeds are enabled. Oct 12 07:50:41 oil: between the getConfigs and getStatusFile calls, something is looping forever cause there are no enabled feeds. Oct 12 07:50:43 errors? Oct 12 07:55:34 oil: I'm going to strace LunaSysMgr to see what Palm is doing in that service. Oct 12 07:58:08 or a patch for the catalog to disable all feeds and reenable them when its done Oct 12 08:07:28 can someone answer a plz question about bash on webos? Oct 12 08:16:00 has anybody done anything about the annoying delays with the dialer application ? Oct 12 08:16:25 like make the pauses shorter or do something to get rid of the horrid lag in the application in general ? Oct 12 08:18:41 oh my god. Palm spawns a "du" process for *every* entry in "ipkg -o /var list" !!!!!!!! Oct 12 08:19:27 all at once ? Oct 12 08:19:49 one at a time Oct 12 08:19:56 I love the device, but the slowness is a bit unacceptable. I tolerate it because I'm an early adopter Oct 12 08:20:03 that's not ba Oct 12 08:20:04 bad Oct 12 08:20:31 rwhitby: lol Oct 12 08:21:22 that's 670 spawning shells to run du when all feeds are enabled, instead of doing a *single* "du" in /var/usr/palm/applications Oct 12 08:21:24 so no speed improvements on the dialer app ? Oct 12 08:21:56 rwhitby: can you say "overkill", kids? Oct 12 08:22:26 bhuey: you're expecting an answer in 5 minutes at the time of the day when the least people are here? Oct 12 08:22:43 lol Oct 12 08:22:47 rwhitby: clearly Palm were not expecting Preware Oct 12 08:23:00 rwhitby: even so, that's a bit... sloppy Oct 12 08:23:06 freakout: clearly they were not expecting anyone to install more than 3 applications Oct 12 08:23:20 lol Oct 12 08:23:53 ok, I need to trace children so I can see the exact commands Oct 12 08:43:40 rwhitby: you never know how many key european types are around :) Oct 12 08:43:59 bhuey: none of them have Pre's yet. Oct 12 08:44:08 but I guess the Pre hasn't been release in Europe yet Oct 12 08:45:28 lol Oct 12 08:45:47 bhuey: tomorrow! germany! huzzah! Oct 12 08:45:58 unlocked! Oct 12 08:46:11 QWERTZ! .......um, yay? Oct 12 08:47:02 lol Oct 12 08:47:56 * oil wonders if preware will be getting a big jump in usage tomorrow Oct 12 08:48:25 oil: not the patches feed at any rate xD Oct 12 08:48:31 lol Oct 12 08:48:33 or they will Oct 12 08:49:04 and european aunti minnie will try Oct 12 08:49:09 * freakout wonders whether the patchers will go insane from support requests Oct 12 08:49:10 and then ask for help when they bust it up Oct 12 08:49:16 hahahhaa Oct 12 08:50:20 i figure that by the time mine arrives (shipping time about 1-2 weeks?) you guys will have come up with something. Oct 12 08:50:28 At least i hope to god you will Oct 12 08:50:36 lol Oct 12 08:50:40 otherwise I"ll have to go digging through the repos and compiling my own Oct 12 08:50:41 talk to others about that Oct 12 08:50:45 and that's just crazy talk Oct 12 08:52:28 i'm looking forward to some of the german coders and hackers joining our fold Oct 12 08:54:07 acydlord: Helfen Sie bitte, ich installierte Patches von Preware und es funktioniert nicht Oct 12 08:54:35 i fail at reading german Oct 12 08:54:50 translate.google.com Oct 12 08:54:52 xD Oct 12 08:54:59 lol Oct 12 08:55:11 basically "help, i installed patches from pware and it does not work" Oct 12 08:55:15 lol Oct 12 08:55:17 it's one language i should have studied considering the amount of german developers i have worked with in the past few years lol Oct 12 08:56:25 i wonder if their source is going to be in german or english Oct 12 08:56:57 is it brittish people too? Oct 12 08:57:05 or only launching in germany? Oct 12 08:57:12 * oil doesn't keep up on such things Oct 12 08:57:13 UK gets it three days latere Oct 12 08:57:13 i think it's only on german O2 Oct 12 08:57:23 but SIM-locked. Boo Oct 12 08:57:36 there'll be a hack, but i'd rather not rely on that Oct 12 08:57:45 lol Oct 12 08:57:54 no qwerty for freakout Oct 12 08:58:01 i'm rather dissapointed at the legislators in the US Oct 12 08:58:04 heh. custom keymap for freakout :) Oct 12 08:58:08 i doubt they'll be as anti-unlocking as apple Oct 12 08:58:12 plus it'll give me material for a blog post Oct 12 08:58:35 even after they passed the law where carriers cant lock your phone to their carrier, they've done nothing to enforce it Oct 12 08:58:38 oil: actually what i'm worried about is that it'll come out in australia within a few months and make me look stupid Oct 12 08:58:47 but ebay was invented for a reason :) Oct 12 08:59:00 lol Oct 12 08:59:07 * oil will point and laugh at freakout Oct 12 08:59:27 * freakout is used to it. Oct 12 08:59:31 damn primary school Oct 12 09:00:26 Bet it'll be unlocked in australia. all phones here are unlocked. iPhone was right out of the gate Oct 12 09:00:39 the market is so small, manufacturers need to be unlocked to make decent money :) Oct 12 09:01:49 and someone will want to check out and use your pre Oct 12 09:01:50 and be like Oct 12 09:01:57 "WTF is this keyboard??!" Oct 12 09:02:07 lol Oct 12 09:02:10 conversation piece! Oct 12 09:02:24 or you could do like rwhitby and swap it Oct 12 09:03:02 get a broken us pre off ebay Oct 12 09:04:37 http://www.rapidrepair.com/guides/Palm-Pre/images/palm-pre-teardown-complete-1.jpg Oct 12 09:04:50 man, imagine trying to put all that back together Oct 12 09:05:08 like the world's most evil jigsaw Oct 12 09:05:37 i reckon i'll learn to live with it Oct 12 09:05:57 more annoying will be having a Euro symbol instead of $ Oct 12 09:06:07 that is a pretty crazy teardown Oct 12 09:06:08 lol Oct 12 09:06:15 only 4 screws? Oct 12 09:06:37 swapping the keyboard probably isn't all that hard Oct 12 09:06:43 you don't need to take it completely apart Oct 12 09:07:19 http://www.rapidrepair.com/guides/Palm-Pre/palm-pre-dissasembly-repair-guide.html Oct 12 09:07:26 keyboard is step 3 from the looks of it Oct 12 09:08:00 bbl... Oct 12 09:14:29 lol @ worlds most evil jigsaw Oct 12 09:14:46 i had a nabaztag several years ago, and the ear motor threw a gear Oct 12 09:14:59 took me 2 hours to get it back together Oct 12 09:15:43 http://www.rwhitby.net/blog/webos-internals/palm-pre-app-install-limits.html Oct 12 09:19:28 well im off to bed for a couple more hours i thinl Oct 12 09:58:25 * rwhitby doctors his Pre back to stock /var size Oct 12 10:14:53 rwhitby: nice analysis Oct 12 10:15:38 rwhitby, oil: feature suggestion for PW 0.9.5: a button that can toggle *all* feeds to "off" or "on" Oct 12 10:37:48 ok, I have now experienced the "Sorry, Not Enough Memory" error for the first time on my Pre. Oct 12 10:43:23 now to characterise it .. Oct 12 10:51:23 Hmm - I think I've found a bug in their queryInstallCapacity routine Oct 12 10:51:57 read(108, "1696\t/var/usr/palm/applications/ws.junk.dotgame\n", 4096) = 48 Oct 12 10:51:57 read(110, "du: /var/usr/palm/applications/l: No such file or directory\n", 4096) = 60 Oct 12 10:52:16 that's the last entry in the list of 'du' calls. Oct 12 10:54:54 I remove an app, and then try again: Oct 12 10:54:56 read(111, "1696\t/var/usr/palm/applications/ws.junk.dotgame\n", 4096) = 48 Oct 12 10:54:57 read(113, "du: /var/usr/palm/applications/0: No such file or directory\n", 4096) = 60 Oct 12 10:55:27 Looks like they have an off-by-one error in parsing the output of "ipkg -o /var list" Oct 12 10:56:08 read(113, "du: /var/usr/palm/applications/HX\231\371H\300\240\370H\330\207\370H\200x7I(\3347I\300x\365G(: No such file or directory\n", 4096) = 85 Oct 12 10:56:34 * rwhitby thinks tharris- could think of some good uses for this ... Oct 12 11:15:29 So the app size limit is just under 64MB worth of apps. Oct 12 11:19:13 freakout: I've just sent my blog link to PreCentral, so you'll need to hurry to scoop them. Oct 12 11:24:24 freakout: there seems to be no way to submit a news tip to palminfocenter.com Oct 12 11:34:34 OK, there is a very simple way to get around the Palm app space limit. Oct 12 11:34:43 rwhitby: the link got hidden under the "about" menu in PIC's latest redesign (which i don't really like...) Oct 12 11:34:44 http://www.palminfocenter.com/news-tips.asp Oct 12 11:35:50 submitted Oct 12 11:36:23 what's a good name for an app which allows you to install virtually unlimited apps Oct 12 11:37:29 org.webosinternals.billgates - no one would need more than 64MB for apps ... Oct 12 11:37:38 lmao, rwhitby Oct 12 11:37:41 hmmm Oct 12 11:37:50 to think out loud... Oct 12 11:38:11 AppsUnlimited - AppsUnchained Oct 12 11:39:05 the first version of the app is a one-liner :-) Oct 12 11:39:12 I'll make it more sophisticated later. Oct 12 11:39:51 ooh - I reckon I can make it solve the hanging problem at the same time ... Oct 12 11:40:03 you clever cookie Oct 12 11:40:47 How much space does var actually have in reality? Oct 12 11:44:01 it has 256MB in total. and you are limited to 64MB of apps. Oct 12 11:45:07 ah, good. we call ipkg with a full path in ipkgservice ;-) Oct 12 11:45:26 rwhitby: why on Earth would Palm do that? Oct 12 11:45:43 rwhitby: are they saving space for something else? Oct 12 11:46:01 rwhitby: something else that would fall over in a screaming heap if the necessary space wasn't available? Oct 12 11:46:31 ooh - I didn't notice the Update All button on Preware before :-) Oct 12 11:46:37 lol Oct 12 11:46:43 Doh! "This Does Nothing Yet!" Oct 12 11:46:58 * freakout finds it especially amusing rwhitby doesn't know his own baby :p Oct 12 11:47:12 freakout: the front-end is oil's baby Oct 12 11:47:43 seriously, though - any idea why the limit has been set so low? Oct 12 11:54:22 no idea. Oct 12 11:54:47 but it can be easily increased on any webOS update, up 3 fold at least. Oct 12 11:55:18 ok, the prototype for fixing both problems works. Now to think of a good name and package it up. Oct 12 11:55:29 PhatVar Oct 12 11:56:22 I need a name with class and correct spelling. Oct 12 11:56:27 lol Oct 12 11:56:37 don't look at me for class Oct 12 11:57:13 and an australian flavour would be good too. oh - something with an australian spelling :-) Oct 12 11:57:20 lol Oct 12 11:57:44 my editor *hates* it when i use aussie spelling. "flavour" "colour" etc Oct 12 11:57:51 let's see. colour, aluminium, neighbour, flavour, ... Oct 12 11:58:21 DrongoFix has no class, but would confuse nicely Oct 12 11:58:55 org.webosinternals.nowukkas Oct 12 11:59:17 lmao. or perhaps FairDinkum Oct 12 12:00:11 hmm - fairdinkum is not bad Oct 12 12:00:36 moreappsmate Oct 12 12:00:39 do it, mate Oct 12 12:00:44 nope Oct 12 12:00:50 moreappsmaaaaaaaaaate ;) Oct 12 12:01:19 or maybe give it a Krudd flavour... Oct 12 12:01:26 detailedprogrammaticspecificity Oct 12 12:01:42 or Howard if you prefer Oct 12 12:01:45 noncorepromise Oct 12 12:02:17 heck, you could even go Keating Oct 12 12:02:22 theapplimitwehadtohave Oct 12 12:05:44 "Fair Dinkum App Limit" Oct 12 12:05:53 org.webosinternals.fairdinkum Oct 12 12:06:00 I love it. Oct 12 12:06:24 I'm about to bung it in my post, so you'd better settle on that :p Oct 12 12:06:58 it will also correct the freeze-ups? Oct 12 12:14:08 back in 5 Oct 12 12:17:27 freakout: yes, it also corrects the freeze-ups Oct 12 12:17:34 will have an alpha version to test shortly Oct 12 12:20:34 org.webosinternals.fairdinkum_0.1.0_all.ipk is ready for testing in the alpha test feed Oct 12 12:23:23 is it worth testing in the emu? Oct 12 12:26:58 rwhitby: heh. found a great image to use: http://tinyurl.com/yztuyyo Oct 12 12:27:18 nah Oct 12 12:27:54 i meant for the article, not the app :p Oct 12 12:28:36 rick_home: thanks rick for your help last night i was able to finish it up Oct 12 12:29:43 good morning everyone Oct 12 12:35:21 who's ready to test out the Fair Dinkum App Limit ? Oct 12 12:37:51 rwhitby: i will Oct 12 12:38:31 what does it do exactly Oct 12 12:39:57 "Fair Dinkum App Limit" has been publicly released. You can find it in Preware. Oct 12 12:40:10 atlanta: see http://www.rwhitby.net/blog/webos-internals/palm-pre-app-install-limits.html Oct 12 12:41:25 rwhitby: your the man Oct 12 12:41:34 what was involved in getting it removed Oct 12 12:41:35 ? Oct 12 12:41:51 it's open source - read the code. Oct 12 12:42:02 lol Oct 12 12:42:06 i felt that one coming for me Oct 12 12:42:07 going now Oct 12 12:45:24 atlanta: yes, tonight, I *am* the man. Oct 12 12:46:35 * freakout buys a round Oct 12 12:46:40 rwhitby: nice work Oct 12 12:46:56 rwhitby: is Fair Dinkum webOS 1.1 compatible? :p Oct 12 12:47:04 freakout: yes Oct 12 12:47:04 so you forced it to use list_insatlled Oct 12 12:47:32 rwhitby: excellent, it'll be the second thing I install on my German Pre... after Preware :) Oct 12 12:47:46 what the hell is fair dinkum Oct 12 12:47:49 nice blog post, rwhitby Oct 12 12:47:55 PuffTheMagic: app limit removal Oct 12 12:48:02 PuffTheMagic: Unicorn Breeder Oct 12 12:48:16 how does it work? Oct 12 12:48:41 PuffTheMagic: sexily. but rwhitby can probably explain better... Oct 12 12:49:06 PuffTheMagic: two simple wrappers in /usr/local/bin Oct 12 12:49:23 one for du, to fool it that everything is infintesimal size Oct 12 12:49:35 one for ipkg, to run list_installed instead of list Oct 12 12:49:45 rwhitby: what kind of toll would it take on the space on that partition Oct 12 12:50:10 if the apps start to fill it Oct 12 12:50:20 ? Oct 12 12:50:39 Future versions will be much smarter, to make sure that it doesn't go over the space available in /var and to make sure that it only operates when LunaSysMgr is calling ipkg, but the wrappers are good enough for the moment, and can be easily upgraded later. Oct 12 12:51:10 cool cool understood Oct 12 12:51:20 how big is /var anyway Oct 12 12:51:22 ? Oct 12 12:51:24 256MB Oct 12 12:51:29 ok Oct 12 13:30:23 For the life of me, I can't find Fair Dinkum in preware anywhere, and yes, I have updated the feeds many times trying. :( Oct 12 13:30:31 SirWill: List of Everything Oct 12 13:30:51 tried that too. Oct 12 13:31:15 both by time, and by a-z Oct 12 13:31:48 I've checked and all feeds are enabled and on, I have manually updated them and turned them back on for on launch. Very strange. Oct 12 13:34:17 what feed is it on? Oct 12 13:34:43 I've just disabled all feeds but preware and webos-internals feeds, and looked on list all (after update) and don't see it there. Oct 12 13:36:09 rwhitby: just did a test run Oct 12 13:36:12 works well Oct 12 13:36:39 SirWill: how many lines are listed in your webos-internals feed? Oct 12 13:37:18 if the author of the webos-repair utility is in here, thanks! :) Oct 12 13:37:39 mikewx: not at the moment. Oct 12 13:38:10 dang, I just disabled ALL feeds but the webos internals, and now finally it is showing up in the list everything. Oct 12 13:46:22 something else interesting, is after going to just the webos-internals feed, updating and seeing the fair dinkum, I went back and turned all of the feeds back on, and sure enough it was showing up in the list everything there too. Oct 12 14:08:49 rwhitby already in bed? Oct 12 14:08:55 not yet Oct 12 14:08:56 tis only 1am. :D Oct 12 14:08:58 WOot Oct 12 14:09:37 Sorry for my absense over the weekend. My brother left this monring at 7am to go back to North Carolina. He deploys to Southeast Afghanistan on November 1 Oct 12 14:09:48 He has been in town for pre-deployment leave. Oct 12 14:11:07 I plan on getting caught up today (with what I NEED to do when I get off work this evening). Oct 12 14:11:50 I noticed you released the disk usage fixer. Nice work. I had no idea palm was running a disk usage on each package individually. that's ludicris. Oct 12 14:13:23 Is there any info in the channel logs I should look over? Do you have any specific tasks I should partake in? Oct 12 14:17:47 rwhitby? Oct 12 14:18:18 dBsooner-work: nope, all is smooth sailing on the patches front. Oct 12 14:18:27 cool Oct 12 14:18:42 Except I need to fix some since I can't find a maintainer for them Oct 12 14:19:04 like the show all-day appts in month view.. It currently makes all appts disappear from month view. Oct 12 14:19:16 * nt4cats tosses a heap of FairDinkum appreciation at rw Oct 12 14:19:33 and why Fair Dinkum? Oct 12 14:19:47 * dBsooner-work goes to lookup "dinkum" Oct 12 14:21:06 Australian slang; v, fair or true. To proclaim a fact or truth in a statement in such a manner. Oct 12 14:21:36 silly aussie's Oct 12 14:22:56 Lol.. similar to "no sh!t" Oct 12 14:23:03 dbsooner: I'm just glad that they're finally at peace with their neighbors Germany and Spain. Oct 12 14:23:22 Fair dinkum. Oct 12 14:24:09 so, rwhitby: How'd you do it? OR should I just go read the source code? xD Oct 12 14:24:43 dbsooner: there is a link on @webosinternals Oct 12 14:24:57 http://bit.ly/4HZAC Oct 12 14:26:00 dbsooner: Palm is doing something asinine, Rod popped a couple of wrapper scripts in place to de-assify Palm's code Oct 12 14:27:17 * nt4cats claims international copyright and trademark rights for the term "de-assify". Oct 12 14:27:20 (tm) Oct 12 14:29:37 Dog Ma Phobia ... your dog is afraid of your mother? Oct 12 14:30:26 ~emulate rwhitby Oct 12 14:30:27 Well, my work here is done. Oct 12 14:30:33 good night folks. Oct 12 14:30:35 * rwhitby bbt Oct 12 14:30:40 nite rw Oct 12 14:48:24 anyone on here uses twitter Oct 12 14:48:24 ? Oct 12 14:50:57 I just started using twitter last week so I could subscribe to the @webosinternals tweets Oct 12 14:51:21 I'm not sure if that really counts as 'using twitter' Oct 12 14:54:18 nt4cats: oh ok i just need beta testers for my new app Oct 12 14:59:37 sure it does. Oct 12 14:59:50 oh, i use twitter. I'll beta test if you like. Oct 12 15:00:09 ok Oct 12 15:00:25 ill be home a little later Oct 12 15:00:29 cool Oct 12 15:02:00 sigh rwhitby left me Oct 12 15:02:17 Anyone know a downside to extending the /var partition? Oct 12 15:03:27 you lose space on /media Oct 12 15:03:28 I'd rather try the symlink thing before fiddling with partition sizes Oct 12 15:03:29 thats it Oct 12 15:03:48 'dunno about long term effects like palm update etc Oct 12 15:03:49 I guess you can always just re-doctor the thing if it causes anything to explode (unlikely), right? Oct 12 15:03:59 yea Oct 12 15:04:07 best bet will be useing meta doctor Oct 12 15:04:14 that rob created Oct 12 15:04:52 * rwhitby chuckles at the second paragraph in http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/207608-webos-quick-install-preware-5.html#post1969847 and heads to bed. Oct 12 15:05:18 rod.. Oct 12 15:05:26 rwhitby: .. Oct 12 15:13:23 I did the symlink thing and am quite happy Oct 12 15:13:30 It seems/feels much less drastic Oct 12 15:14:03 nt4cats: worked Oct 12 15:14:04 ? Oct 12 15:14:33 atlanta: if you're asking if the symlink thing worked, then the answer is yes Oct 12 15:17:27 cool i might try that out Oct 12 15:17:45 you got a link Oct 12 15:17:57 atlanta: always! http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Solution_to_App_Catalog_Installation_Limit Oct 12 15:18:02 thanks bud Oct 12 15:18:32 atlanta: I recommend you move a handful of your larger apps -- this should give you plenty of room. Oct 12 15:18:58 how does preware and app store like the link Oct 12 15:18:59 syslink Oct 12 15:18:59 ? Oct 12 15:19:18 I moved 4-5 apps and tried them each after the run, and they still worked. Oct 12 15:19:51 Let me check to see if any of those apps have been updated since I moved them ... Oct 12 15:20:09 yea i wonder how that will work out Oct 12 15:20:17 the guy made a nice suggestion Oct 12 15:20:32 have preware or QI also allow a move to the media partition Oct 12 15:21:44 uh oh Oct 12 15:21:55 Fair Dinkum seems to have, well, broken 'mvapp' Oct 12 15:22:03 ... checking Oct 12 15:23:06 the only downside to symlinking is you are storing the apps in a FAT partition Oct 12 15:23:10 instead of the native ext Oct 12 15:24:40 Okay, I patched mvapp so that Fair Dinkum doesn't break it Oct 12 15:27:42 nt4cats: what did you have to change Oct 12 15:28:21 change all references to the "du" command to be (no quotes) /usr/bin/du. I'm updating the webos-internals.org page right now Oct 12 15:29:00 is xorg or daventx here? Oct 12 15:44:45 I updated the web page http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Solution_to_App_Catalog_Installation_Limit. I hope no one kills me Oct 12 15:46:29 why would it matter? Oct 12 15:46:41 du vs /usr/bin/du shouldn't matter Oct 12 15:46:49 as long as /usr/bin is highest in the PATH Oct 12 15:46:51 dbsooner: if you install Fair Dinkum, it matters Oct 12 15:47:02 ahh Oct 12 15:47:09 you want the original DU Oct 12 15:47:15 not the Fair Dinkum one Oct 12 15:47:38 Fair Dinkum puts a phony "du" into roots path Oct 12 15:47:38 i know Oct 12 15:47:38 dbsooner: exactly Oct 12 15:47:51 same with ipkg Oct 12 15:48:17 dbsooner: crap -- I didn't even try that :o Oct 12 15:48:43 if you call "ipkg -o /var list" it will return an "ipkg -o /var list_installed" instead Oct 12 15:48:53 every other option will return as normal Oct 12 15:48:58 mvapp doesn't call ipkg Oct 12 15:49:05 good Oct 12 15:50:31 dbs: I don't know the etiquette for the webos-internals.org wiki -- I'm not sure if I should have waited for the official maintainer to update the page or just do it myself ... so I just did it myself (updated the 'mvapp' wiki page) and made a comment Oct 12 15:51:24 it's do it yourself Oct 12 15:51:40 if someone doesn't agree with the change, they can change it back or "delete" the change Oct 12 15:51:40 ;) Oct 12 16:10:19 gm all Oct 12 16:11:15 hallo Oct 12 16:11:38 question- when the pre says 1x, is it 1xRTT or 1xEV? Oct 12 16:11:48 1xrtt Oct 12 16:11:55 my girlfriend's curve on verizon says 1xEV... is that evdo rev.0? Oct 12 16:12:36 yes Oct 12 16:12:39 i wish i had learned more about CDMA... all i know is GSM Oct 12 16:12:40 curve is rev.0 Oct 12 16:13:00 1x == 1xRTT too in preland Oct 12 16:13:24 :( i really want the htc hero Oct 12 16:13:41 lame, dont like android Oct 12 16:13:49 i don't like android either Oct 12 16:13:54 but the sense ui is SO fucking sexy Oct 12 16:14:01 yokken: I haven't seen a device that identifies if it is in evdo revA or rev0 mode (because a revA capable device can talk to a rev0 tower) Oct 12 16:14:18 my usb modem does Oct 12 16:14:25 and i think winmo devices? Oct 12 16:14:43 nt4cats: if the curve theoretically had evdo rev.a, it wouldn't says 1xEV... it'd probably just say Ev or EvDO Oct 12 16:14:47 meshuga: I was careful NOT to say "there are no devices" -- but I haven't seen one yet Oct 12 16:15:09 curve dont. :) Oct 12 16:15:24 i know, lol Oct 12 16:15:26 yokken: 1xEV doesn't make sense, other than maybe it is saying it can "see" both 1xRTT and EVDO service Oct 12 16:15:28 i have a curve too Oct 12 16:15:48 nt4cats: no, i'm very positive there's no EvDO Rev.A up here Oct 12 16:16:00 1xEVDO was the progression from 1xRTT Oct 12 16:16:02 my pre only sees 1xRTT, my girlfriend's verizon curve shows 1xEV Oct 12 16:16:05 1xev-do is the true name Oct 12 16:16:10 then 1xEVDO rev A Oct 12 16:16:31 Initially, the standard was called High Data Rate (HDR), but was renamed to 1xEV-DO after it was ratified by the International Telecommunication Union (ITU); it was given the numerical designation TIA-856. Originally, 1xEV-DO stood for "1x Evolution-Data Only", referring to its being a direct evolution of the 1x (1xRTT) air interface standard, with its channels carrying only data traffic. The title of the 1xEV-DO standa Oct 12 16:16:37 but most people tend to drop the "1x" mistakenly. Oct 12 16:16:50 ". So EV-DO now stands for "Evolution-Data Optimized", the 1x prefix has been dropped by the many major carriers, and is marketed simply as EV-DO.[3] This provides a more marketing-friendly emphasis that the technology was optimized for data. Oct 12 16:16:57 Because WinMO devices liked to put "1x" for when in an RTT area and "Ev" for when an EVDO area. Oct 12 16:17:14 I've never heard EVDO referred to as 1xEVDO -- but I've spent much of my working life at a GSM company ... Oct 12 16:17:20 i really wish sprint would throw up an EvDO Rev.A tower up by my college campus Oct 12 16:17:27 nt4cats: it was alot back in 1xRTT days Oct 12 16:17:30 not as much anymore Oct 12 16:17:56 I do know that when my pre says "1x" next to the signal meter the interwebs are very slow. Oct 12 16:18:04 yup Oct 12 16:18:09 I also know that when my pre says "Ev" next to the signal meter the interwebs are adequate Oct 12 16:18:16 1x = 1xRTT Oct 12 16:18:19 :) Oct 12 16:18:20 MORNIN! Oct 12 16:18:25 sup mousey Oct 12 16:18:26 Ev = 1xEVDO Oct 12 16:18:34 my pre's EvDO is faster than my Bold's "3G" ever war Oct 12 16:18:38 meshuga, nuthin Oct 12 16:18:39 i should head into work i guess Oct 12 16:18:40 (I've been dying to say that) Oct 12 16:18:46 and you really don't know if its EVDO or EVDOrA without looking at the transmission Oct 12 16:18:46 haha Oct 12 16:18:48 *ever was Oct 12 16:19:34 my pre gets considerably less signal than my curve, but my aircard is the worst Oct 12 16:20:01 my signal can fuctuate between 2 bars and 5 bars in the exact same area, give/take 6 inches of movement Oct 12 16:20:05 *fluctuate Oct 12 16:20:05 my pre has considerably more win than my treo, but my homebrew apps are the best! Oct 12 16:20:10 when i'm on the train from portland to seattle i switch back and forth between tethering and the usb modem cuz they are so inconsistent Oct 12 16:20:13 what the hell, i can NOT type today Oct 12 16:20:18 ~note oil, MORE COWBELL! that's awesome Oct 12 16:20:19 * infobot takes note of oil, MORE COWBELL! that's awesome and submits the information to google Oct 12 16:20:35 i have far too many sprint cdma devices :) Oct 12 16:20:40 * Mousey thinks note do what he thinks it do Oct 12 16:20:43 YAY PACKAGE DEPENDENCIES IN PREWARE Oct 12 16:20:48 * yokken claps Oct 12 16:20:53 * Mousey is happier about cowbell Oct 12 16:21:02 this is huge Oct 12 16:21:14 now we need firmware version checking and we're good Oct 12 16:21:18 Mousey: install ampachemobile yet? Oct 12 16:21:26 i can't get my ampache config to work Oct 12 16:21:28 pissin me off Oct 12 16:21:32 try harder Oct 12 16:21:34 build from source Oct 12 16:21:38 no no no, like Oct 12 16:21:42 Pre is notorious for bad signal Oct 12 16:21:43 it runs on my webserver etc Oct 12 16:21:50 ~note rwhitby's Fair Dinkum is cooler than some ol' mouse Oct 12 16:21:51 but it won't find all my music Oct 12 16:21:51 * infobot takes note of rwhitby's Fair Dinkum is cooler than some ol' mouse and submits the information to google Oct 12 16:21:58 it goes through 4 of my artists and stops Oct 12 16:22:01 My house had constantly 3-5 bars on all my other devices.. WinMO, standard handset, everything. Oct 12 16:22:04 your music is tagged poorly Oct 12 16:22:05 Then the Pre.. 0 to 1 bar Oct 12 16:22:06 and "continues to look for more music" Oct 12 16:22:08 so bad its breaking id3lib Oct 12 16:22:09 no it's not, meshuga Oct 12 16:22:13 Had to get me a free Airave. Oct 12 16:22:19 meshuga: nah Oct 12 16:22:20 it's all organized through itunes, properly tagged etc Oct 12 16:22:21 ^_^ Oct 12 16:22:25 hahha Oct 12 16:22:31 SOON tho Oct 12 16:22:32 see, tagged poorly, thru itunes :) Oct 12 16:22:34 hey did i just meet you? Oct 12 16:22:36 no. Oct 12 16:22:37 ya dude Oct 12 16:22:38 the "roam only" patch works well around here :) Oct 12 16:22:42 welcome to freenode ^_^ Oct 12 16:22:50 i got it from a very reliable source and all of my tags are correct Oct 12 16:22:54 Mousey: haha ive been on freenode for years :) since it was openprojects Oct 12 16:22:58 "roam only" + wifi works well for me Oct 12 16:23:03 (at home) Oct 12 16:23:04 oh yah, i remember openprojects Oct 12 16:23:07 i don't understand the benefit of 'roam only' wont' that drive up my Sprint bill Oct 12 16:23:08 yokken: *shrug* i have 30gb in my ampache now. ive imported 100gb before np Oct 12 16:23:09 (a name i still like better) Oct 12 16:23:16 FreeTim: nope. roaming is part of the contract Oct 12 16:23:29 FreeTim: no.. it won't. Oct 12 16:23:31 meshuga: based on your inspiration, i'm rebuilding mine on another server Oct 12 16:23:31 the contract is like, you cant do more then half your mins on roam Oct 12 16:23:34 FreeTim: nope -- roaming is free with the kind of contract you need for a Pre Oct 12 16:23:39 ok - thanks Oct 12 16:23:41 meshuga: i really don't know why it stops. like, it gets the first 4 artists and their albums, and then stops. Oct 12 16:23:46 i won't be doing much about my id3 tags tho. I'm a bit of a data slob Oct 12 16:23:50 >_> Oct 12 16:23:53 FreeTim: there are people that live on FRINGE Sprint area and if they set their phones to Roam Only, they grab a strong Verizon tower or soemthing. Oct 12 16:23:56 hopefully your sources are pure. Oct 12 16:23:59 i'm a tag fiend Oct 12 16:24:03 mine are Oct 12 16:24:09 what.cd all day every day Oct 12 16:24:11 ah great now I understand it - thanks, all :) Oct 12 16:24:15 you should see my tags Oct 12 16:24:17 FreeTim: if you are in a fringe area, like a basement, the phone will heat up/suck battery switching back a forth. roam only fixes that :) Oct 12 16:24:19 brb, coffee, alert-mails, stuff Oct 12 16:24:21 what.cd is decent Oct 12 16:24:28 I even have all the lyricsa Oct 12 16:24:33 decent? lol Oct 12 16:24:38 don't tell me waffles is better Oct 12 16:24:42 i will laugh even more Oct 12 16:24:49 ive founds tuff on waffles that what.cd doesnt have Oct 12 16:24:52 numerous times Oct 12 16:24:57 yeah? transcodes? Oct 12 16:25:05 and if an album is a compilation album (greatest hits), i put the year the song was actually released for the "year" and in the comments put the album it was originally released on. Oct 12 16:25:07 i dont really care Oct 12 16:25:17 hahaha Oct 12 16:25:25 i also dont use flac Oct 12 16:25:26 goodness, dBsooner Oct 12 16:25:29 i hope you're on what.cd Oct 12 16:25:31 i love flac Oct 12 16:25:32 * dBsooner-work is anal Oct 12 16:25:41 i want compatibility Oct 12 16:26:14 fb2k Oct 12 16:26:15 i pipe my music into my car via bluetooth via ampache on the pre Oct 12 16:26:27 i get v0 of something i want, flac of something i love Oct 12 16:26:30 and these days, 90% of listening comes from ampache Oct 12 16:26:39 ya i dont use foobar2k at all Oct 12 16:26:40 flac is for at home Oct 12 16:26:53 because its not ampache compatible Oct 12 16:27:02 i hope doubletwist gets ampache support Oct 12 16:27:07 it may already have it, i havent tested Oct 12 16:27:25 i use my iTouch 32GB for music and Pre for apps/games/email/phone/everythingelse Oct 12 16:27:44 I have ZERO apps installed on my iTouch, aside from stock. Oct 12 16:27:51 smart man Oct 12 16:27:56 i had a touch for like a week Oct 12 16:27:57 hated the ui Oct 12 16:28:03 sold it for $50 more than i paid Oct 12 16:28:06 i had an iphone for a little less than a year Oct 12 16:28:12 like 11 months Oct 12 16:28:23 6 months into it, wanted any phone BUT the iphone Oct 12 16:28:27 i wish i coulda jailbroke it, but oh well Oct 12 16:28:46 i was in the whole jailbreak scene and everything Oct 12 16:28:55 i was ON THE SCENE when 1.1.3 jb was released Oct 12 16:29:23 thats one of the few scenes i didnt have an interest in Oct 12 16:30:01 i jailbroke my 2.X software Oct 12 16:30:18 but 3.X i don't care because I never even installed one thing in 2.X Oct 12 16:30:33 why chance borking it when I won't use it. Oct 12 16:30:46 lemme tell you somethin Oct 12 16:30:49 most of the borking happens to baseband stuff ive noticed Oct 12 16:30:50 And I almost bought a ZuneHD, but stayed with iTouch for some reason. Oct 12 16:30:57 the days of 1.1.1 were beautiful Oct 12 16:31:11 not very featurerich though Oct 12 16:31:14 open a .tiff file and VOILA jailbroken Oct 12 16:31:20 Probably ecause I have an invisible shield for the touch's Oct 12 16:31:37 the exploit isnt as important as the repos and availability of software Oct 12 16:32:10 I actually like my iTouch for doing exactly what it was made to do. Play music. Oct 12 16:32:27 Except the lack of ACRP controlls is getting annoying as hell. Oct 12 16:32:39 I get play/pause, vol up and vol down. Oct 12 16:33:19 i love AVRCP Oct 12 16:33:20 the lack of multitasking pisses me off Oct 12 16:33:23 Can't use next/prev.. GRRrr.. Defeats the purpose of my Moto Rockr HD's Oct 12 16:33:32 lol Oct 12 16:33:37 how are those? I had jaybirds and now I have backbeats Oct 12 16:33:46 whenever i use my friend's iphone (my old one, sold it to him) i'm like .......wait... i need to exit this app... DUMB Oct 12 16:33:50 i don't have an iPhone, i have an iTouch. don't need multitasking. Oct 12 16:33:52 I have a PRE! Oct 12 16:34:03 lol.. Oct 12 16:34:04 i just use my pre for music too Oct 12 16:34:15 but ampachemobile slows down the device considerably Oct 12 16:34:17 I find myself trying to use a gesture area on my itouch Oct 12 16:34:24 and if i leave it open it will suck life like a champion Oct 12 16:34:32 ya i tried to do that alot on my itouch too Oct 12 16:34:34 or pressing th ehome button thinking it's just going to bring up gthe app launcher Oct 12 16:34:43 QUESTION: Oct 12 16:34:53 do you guys even use the center button? Oct 12 16:34:58 or just swipe up? Oct 12 16:35:03 yokken depends Oct 12 16:35:12 i swipe up, but when im showing ppl howto use my phone i teach them the center Oct 12 16:35:12 I do both.... whatever my hand does Oct 12 16:35:23 because its easier to learn less gestures all at once Oct 12 16:35:24 i NEVER use the center button... Oct 12 16:35:32 i show them center button, and back and they are off. Oct 12 16:35:39 then later i'll show them swipe up too Oct 12 16:35:40 i don't let people use my phone Oct 12 16:35:47 except my girlfriend and my best friend Oct 12 16:35:50 i always do, i'm a sharer like that Oct 12 16:35:57 plus, need to advocate webos ;) Oct 12 16:36:04 center button, usually Oct 12 16:36:06 meshuga: precisely why I can't use my Pre as a streaming music player. I work outside and in people's houses all day. I have little access to a charger and I work 11 hours (-1 for lunch) shifts. Oct 12 16:36:25 I have exchange PUSH and everything, so my battery goes quick enough. Oct 12 16:36:29 dBsooner-work: ahh, makes sense. i would get the 2800mah battery :) Oct 12 16:36:45 cuz i am addicted to streaming Oct 12 16:36:57 but as it is, i have 2 spare charges and swap batteries once a day usually Oct 12 16:37:00 and then charge at night Oct 12 16:37:02 meshuga: bah.. too bulky. Back to me working outside all day. I need something that will fit back in its case and go in my pocket or at least have my INvisible Shield wrapped around it. Oct 12 16:37:07 but thats 8-10h play Oct 12 16:37:15 if i worked outside a lot i'd use my solar charger. got it for camping. Oct 12 16:37:30 32GB iTouch gets all my current collection on it. Oct 12 16:37:39 With about 8 gigs to spare Oct 12 16:37:40 ahh i have 100gb+ of music Oct 12 16:37:41 dbsooner: you spend a lot of time on the irc for someone who is "working" outside ... Oct 12 16:37:47 yes he does Oct 12 16:37:49 see, I would if I didn't VBR it Oct 12 16:37:59 most of mine is VBR'd Oct 12 16:38:00 I VBR'd all my mp3's down to 128-192 Oct 12 16:38:04 EW Oct 12 16:38:06 80-100megs an album Oct 12 16:38:07 i know Oct 12 16:38:09 hush your mouths Oct 12 16:38:09 you heathen Oct 12 16:38:11 VBR v0's Oct 12 16:38:13 V0 Oct 12 16:38:16 and v0 ONLY Oct 12 16:38:27 What do you all use to VBR? Oct 12 16:38:32 i love how i never have to move music around anymore Oct 12 16:38:33 i download in V0 Oct 12 16:38:34 I use NCH Studios for a lot of stuff Oct 12 16:38:38 i just click 'update' Oct 12 16:38:45 dBPowerAmp Oct 12 16:38:58 Bitrate-Switcher, WavePad, etc.. all made by NCH Studios Oct 12 16:39:04 lol Oct 12 16:39:06 use dbpoweramp Oct 12 16:39:08 seriously Oct 12 16:39:14 we need a #webos-watercooler Oct 12 16:39:21 it does batch converting and multicore Oct 12 16:39:29 wow i hate windows Oct 12 16:39:31 nice! Oct 12 16:39:53 dbpoweramp is linux? Oct 12 16:40:10 because I can't use multi-core's on linux untill PuffTheMagic decides to fix my shiznet Oct 12 16:41:14 well I guess I could VirtualBox a distro Oct 12 16:41:42 windows Oct 12 16:41:43 but I can't run anythign intense on linux by itself as my fan's don't ramp up when it's heating up... Stupid Toshiba Laptop with no ACPI support. Oct 12 16:41:52 64bit? Oct 12 16:41:56 go for it Oct 12 16:41:58 no acpi? Oct 12 16:42:04 sounds like you just need to fix the DSDT Oct 12 16:42:08 unless its really old Oct 12 16:42:28 windows legitimately won't start firefox Oct 12 16:42:28 meshuga: There is something wrong with how my bios distributes the ACPI controls Oct 12 16:42:32 THIS IS NOT WHAT I NEED RIGHT NOW Oct 12 16:42:36 won't even start IE Oct 12 16:42:40 linux isn't able to communicate properly. PuffTheMagic is working on a kernel patch for me. Oct 12 16:42:48 and nope, its less than a year Oct 12 16:42:50 OH SHIT Oct 12 16:42:51 CHOIR Oct 12 16:42:52 BYE Oct 12 16:43:00 dBsooner-work: ahh weird. Oct 12 16:43:23 meshuga: i know.. some function keys don't work, lid switch doesn't work, fans stay spinning at a lower speed Oct 12 16:43:25 * nt4cats seriously considers getting a T-shirt with "OH SHIT" ... "CHOIR" ... "BYE" printed on it Oct 12 16:43:34 and if they DO finally kick in to full speed, they won't kick off. Oct 12 16:43:56 but lid switch don't work, or some function keys Oct 12 16:44:00 im be interested to see if the hackintosh community has gotten anything working Oct 12 16:44:24 I would so go that route if it had a better AMD support Oct 12 16:44:40 At the time (6 months ago?) I was going to go with it, but AMD support was still very raw. Oct 12 16:45:30 what? amd has had support for years, dude. Oct 12 16:46:04 i was using an amd chipset in 2007 with osx86. Oct 12 16:47:25 dbsooner: what distro? Oct 12 16:47:55 eh i build my own setups from native Oct 12 16:48:04 so i know exactly whats going into them, dont like distros Oct 12 16:48:19 nt4cats: i was on ubuntu KK alpha 5 Oct 12 16:48:24 Karmic Koala Oct 12 16:48:36 oh, i was talking about osx86 ;) Oct 12 16:48:41 ohh Oct 12 16:48:59 I know, but nt4cats asked what distro Oct 12 16:49:00 ;) Oct 12 16:49:11 ya theres diff distros for osx86 too Oct 12 16:49:14 alright work awaits Oct 12 16:49:14 If I understood mac distro builds more, I would do the same. Oct 12 16:49:30 i guess I could go to that osx86 website Oct 12 16:49:36 i just don't rmemeber the name Oct 12 16:57:30 what have I missed Oct 12 17:10:01 * Mousey discovered more cowbell in Preware today. Oct 12 17:10:03 what win! Oct 12 17:10:23 egaudet: you missed me giving everyone a free Pre. Oct 12 17:10:33 oh, and Fair Dinkum!! Oct 12 17:10:34 egaudet: But no one knew where you were. Oct 12 17:10:37 win win WIN! Oct 12 17:10:48 BTW... Happy birthday! Oct 12 17:10:48 haha Oct 12 17:11:01 i love how you have to pay $5 to get cut and paste ability with the iphone/ipod Oct 12 17:11:05 yay crapple Oct 12 17:11:06 but .. egaudet.. Oct 12 17:11:09 * dBsooner-work is sad. Oct 12 17:11:11 f crapple Oct 12 17:11:38 i vow to troll apple fanbois at every opportunity Oct 12 17:11:39 Birthday tomorrow and thank you :P Oct 12 17:11:44 free pre? sad Oct 12 17:11:52 Oh.. thought it was today. Sorry egaudet. Then happy early. :D Oct 12 17:12:01 Yeah, you all missed it. Oct 12 17:12:05 But that's not why i'm sad. Oct 12 17:12:23 thats why i am sad. why are you sad Oct 12 17:12:26 how was the send off for your bro? Oct 12 17:12:45 My brother went back to Camp Lejeune NC today.. Oct 12 17:13:02 he leaves for Afghanistan on Nov 1st. Oct 12 17:13:12 heartbreaking.. I really didnt' want to let him go. Oct 12 17:13:26 break his legs Oct 12 17:13:28 But I have faith he'll be ok.. And if not, then I know it won't be for a stupid reason Oct 12 17:13:32 they wont take him then Oct 12 17:13:43 Plus, he's a Marine.. And Marine's are not allowed to die without permission. Oct 12 17:13:54 i told my firend i would break his so he didnt have to go to iraq but it didnt work out too well Oct 12 17:14:09 * Templarian wants twitter to come back online. Hopefully this isn't a 2 hour thing again. Oct 12 17:14:10 my brother would hav ekilled me if I would have done that. Oct 12 17:14:13 must be tough, takes a special person for that, much respect Oct 12 17:14:27 He has been begging to deply. Oct 12 17:14:36 s/deply/deploy/ Oct 12 17:14:36 dBsooner-work meant: He has been begging to deploy. Oct 12 17:14:37 atleast he couldnt chase you till a good 6 months later Oct 12 17:14:44 good point jack87_ . Oct 12 17:14:55 But he's got one thing up on me.. Oct 12 17:15:02 it truly is sad... he has my best wishes Oct 12 17:15:10 he can put a hole in a beer can from a mile and a half. Oct 12 17:15:28 holy shit... thats bad ass! dBsooner-work Oct 12 17:15:31 he turned down sniper school because he wanted to stay in Amphibious Assault vehicle. Oct 12 17:15:33 snippers are cool like that, was talking to one the other day. Oct 12 17:15:59 he scored perfect scores in all his basic rifleman courses Oct 12 17:16:39 He is deploying to SE Afghanistan (border with Pakistan in the mountains) for insurgent/taliban sweeps. Oct 12 17:16:48 we have no presence there right now. Oct 12 17:16:59 He will be doing convoy protection in a MRAP. Oct 12 17:17:24 he's the gunner in the turret (50 cal guns) Oct 12 17:17:43 what is an MRAP? Mine Resistant Ambush Protected Oct 12 17:17:54 5 man crew, 4 in truck, 1 in turret Oct 12 17:18:04 so he still gets to shoot things. :D Oct 12 17:18:44 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MRAP_%28armored_vehicle%29 Oct 12 17:18:46 They have enough fire power to take a out just about anything. Oct 12 17:19:48 They used those in the movie district 9. Oct 12 17:20:08 this quote makes me feel better: In June 2008, USA Today reported that roadside bomb attacks and fatalities were down almost 99% partially due to MRAPs. "They've taken hits, many, many hits that would have killed soldiers and Marines in uparmored Humvees," according to Adm. Michael Mullen, Oct 12 17:21:56 MRAPs? Oct 12 17:22:10 Mine Resistant Ambush Protected Oct 12 17:22:19 ....donkeys? Oct 12 17:22:22 link is about 5 lines up Oct 12 17:22:30 ohhhhh. backscroll! that's brilliant! Oct 12 17:22:32 bit 14 ton trucks Oct 12 17:22:43 that blows stuff up Oct 12 17:22:46 It means it will kill anything that gets near it. Oct 12 17:22:48 and doesn't get blow un very easily Oct 12 17:23:01 s/blow/blown/ Oct 12 17:23:01 dBsooner-work meant: and doesn't get blown un very easily Oct 12 17:23:09 seen those Oct 12 17:23:15 s/blow un/blown up/ Oct 12 17:23:16 dBsooner-work meant: and doesn't get blown up very easily Oct 12 17:23:16 i don't wanna get run over by one Oct 12 17:23:46 My bro said it would take a couple anti-tank mines stacked up top of each other to be able to even tip it Oct 12 17:23:52 Mousey: it be painless you would just turn flat right away Oct 12 17:24:07 But I hated seeing him go. Oct 12 17:24:26 All I did was hug him, tell him I love him an I am proud of him.. and to have him call me as much as he can before he leaves on Nov 1. Oct 12 17:24:26 dang Oct 12 17:24:30 dBsooner-work: he has the best that technology can offer, he's pretty safe. Oct 12 17:24:49 iraq or afghanistan? Oct 12 17:25:00 Templarian: unless they do what they have been doing.. forcing htem to leave the vehicles in the cities to go door-to-door Oct 12 17:25:06 Afghanistan, Southeast. Oct 12 17:25:09 dang Oct 12 17:25:13 at least he's going to the real fight Oct 12 17:25:14 IN the mountains along the border with pakistan. Oct 12 17:25:25 which is the taliban's strong hold right now.. b ecause there are no troops there. Oct 12 17:25:33 Why did Obama win the Nobel Peace Prize if he's expanding the US military? war in afghanistan etc.. ? Oct 12 17:25:39 yeah.. when you say REAL.. I mean.. REALLLY REALLLY REALLLY real Oct 12 17:25:53 psykoz: he backed off deploment Oct 12 17:25:58 does he use any radios ? Oct 12 17:26:01 yep. Oct 12 17:26:07 he being your brother i guess ? Oct 12 17:26:11 psykoz: he originally was following the general and going with all the troops requested.. then said, WAIT A MIN HERE. Oct 12 17:26:16 psykoz: hey, it took 8 years, but at least we're back on the right track for prosecuting 9/11 Oct 12 17:26:41 Then they decided to only reply half my brothers company, ( 2 platoons, 90 men) Oct 12 17:26:49 instead of all 4 platoons 180+ men Oct 12 17:26:59 so my bro begged the CO's to let him go. Oct 12 17:27:06 him and another buddy from here in TUlsa. Oct 12 17:27:23 bpadalino|work: if he was taking his AMTRACK he would. Oct 12 17:27:36 bpadalino|work: HE is the crew cheif on a C7 track. Oct 12 17:27:58 the c7 track carries all the radios and the officers who are on the battle field. Oct 12 17:28:01 i don't know what AMTRACK or a C7 track is Oct 12 17:28:02 So what does he have other than his 50 cal? Oct 12 17:28:11 I already told him to take a $100 bill and give it to the radio guys. Oct 12 17:28:26 Amtrack = Amphibious Assaulot Vehicle = AAV.. Oct 12 17:28:38 It's a tracked troop carrier.. land and water. Oct 12 17:28:49 He's not oging to back off of deployment to afghanistan ;) You guys realised his first week in office he signed off on more attacks on Pakistan (via drones) Oct 12 17:28:51 ah ok .. i've worked on LAV's before Oct 12 17:28:51 Templarian: a bunch of armor Oct 12 17:28:58 Obama is Bush's 3rd term ;) Oct 12 17:29:15 it's similar to an LAV, but yet this one continues on land. Oct 12 17:29:16 i also help make tactical radios .. so i was curious which radios he liked using Oct 12 17:29:48 dBsooner-work: (not to make you more worried, that kevlar only is made to stop low caliber 9mm rounds regular riffle fire will only be slowed). Oct 12 17:29:49 dunno. I don';t talk to him much about his "work" Oct 12 17:30:05 Templarian: I know.. that's why I am glad he is in the MRAP. Oct 12 17:30:10 :) Oct 12 17:30:11 psykoz: if you say so Oct 12 17:30:50 hmm.. should I extend my /var partition? Oct 12 17:30:56 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-swanson/bushs-third-term-youre-li_b_274438.html - aptly titled Oct 12 17:31:05 dBsooner-work: did you really fill it? Oct 12 17:31:09 dbsooner-work, I'm sorry your family member is going back to Afghanistan, yet another war we shouldn't be involved in Oct 12 17:31:19 Templarian: i MIGHT with the new program Rod has released. Oct 12 17:31:22 I hope he comes home safely Oct 12 17:31:26 err, script wrappers Oct 12 17:31:31 psykoz: fighting in afghanistan is what we shoulda been doing all along. if bush hadda continued pursuing Bin Laden, and never bothered with Iraq, he'd be a hero by now.. but being an idiot, we never got bin laden, who isn't in iraq Oct 12 17:31:51 psykoz: I know., But he joined the Marines to go to war. He wanted to fight. Oct 12 17:32:02 so without the war, he wouldn't be happy honestly. Oct 12 17:32:10 career soldier eh Oct 12 17:32:14 Not now. Oct 12 17:32:15 ;) Oct 12 17:32:19 He wants out after 4 years. Oct 12 17:32:23 lol Oct 12 17:32:25 There's always a war somewhere, the guys I was talking to were in Korea. Oct 12 17:32:26 But still wants to go to war badly. Oct 12 17:32:44 my dad fought in korea Oct 12 17:32:58 the korean war has been really going on for decades Oct 12 17:33:09 whether as a cold war/silent war or public warfare Oct 12 17:33:43 And if you all are in the military, you really know what our military does? Oct 12 17:33:47 They clean up. Oct 12 17:33:48 Now-a-days we are quite a bit one sided from what I'm told over there with current technologies (infared and stuff). Oct 12 17:34:01 Most of the war is done in the air via bombs. Oct 12 17:34:07 We have to go in there and clean up the mess. Oct 12 17:34:13 and are met with resistance. Oct 12 17:34:26 (then we rebomb and go back in) Oct 12 17:34:28 if we bomb a town, there will be innocent civilian losses. Oct 12 17:34:41 it's those civilians we are trying to get to Oct 12 17:34:47 Negative point system, every battle has them. Oct 12 17:34:47 while getting rid of resistnce. Oct 12 17:35:02 I have a friend that is a Staff Sargeant Medic. Oct 12 17:35:13 He says the majority of what he sees is civilians. Oct 12 17:35:24 well that's war for ya Oct 12 17:35:32 It's our responsibility via the geneva code and conventions Oct 12 17:36:08 sad to know we are just trying to help the civilians and get killed ourselves. Oct 12 17:36:45 My old co-worker lived in lebenon (sp?), when he was younger he could hear an apache overhead and the 45cals hitting the roof... turns out a place down his street was no longer there in the morning. They are getting more precise. Oct 12 17:36:45 My bro has a Marine friend from Tulsa that has been to afghanistan twice now... Oct 12 17:37:28 Hows he like it? Oct 12 17:37:42 first time he was doing door to door sweeps and they bridged a house "fire stormed it", first 3 men threw were killed instantly by an IED.. 4th one was my bro's friend.. he was blown 50 ft backwards into a wall, breaking both legs, all his ribs on the left side, his arm and severe burns. Oct 12 17:37:55 spent 5 months in Germany recovering. Oct 12 17:38:00 Tehy sent him back Oct 12 17:38:14 He was in a humvee when teh driver strayed off the tracks by 4 inches. Oct 12 17:38:44 hit a bomb.. incenerating the driver instantly.. killed front passenger and rear driver passenger by shrapnel Oct 12 17:38:56 passenger rear died slowly Oct 12 17:39:13 my brothers buddy was in the turret and was the only one to survive.. was thrown 150 YARDS Oct 12 17:39:19 yeah.. YARDS. Oct 12 17:39:22 and thats only the story of -our- guys.. there's lots more stories of the -other- guys Oct 12 17:39:32 i know Oct 12 17:39:44 so anyway.. after that incedent.. they told him in Germany he's going home. Oct 12 17:39:54 2 Purple hearts. Oct 12 17:40:00 dang Oct 12 17:40:04 injured twice in battle. ;) Oct 12 17:40:22 so anyway.. that's the area my bro is going to. Oct 12 17:40:28 * dBsooner-work shrugs.. can't think about it. Oct 12 17:40:36 * Mousey looks at scrollback Oct 12 17:40:39 He's a Marine.. Best training you can get. Oct 12 17:40:44 yah, a good time to change the subject ^_^ Oct 12 17:40:57 My cousins a marine, definately trained flawlessly. Oct 12 17:40:58 yessir Oct 12 17:41:04 thats true.. american marines are no joke Oct 12 17:41:15 Templarian: With the wrapper script Rod released, I am sure I will be installing more apps now. Oct 12 17:41:23 Mousey: where you from? Oct 12 17:41:34 cali Oct 12 17:41:34 Try hand on hand combat... not even close to fair. Oct 12 17:41:42 where bouts? Oct 12 17:41:52 born and raised in LA.. now i live in seattle Oct 12 17:41:56 ahh Oct 12 17:42:08 yeah Templarian: I can't even beat my own little bro up anymore Oct 12 17:42:18 he's 8 years younger than me and can royally kick my arse Oct 12 17:43:24 an unfair dinkum? Oct 12 17:43:26 ^_^ Oct 12 17:44:24 fair dinkum Oct 12 17:44:28 "no sh!t" Oct 12 17:44:49 So Templarian: what I am thinking is Palm should create a wrapper program to grab input from usb Oct 12 17:45:09 dBsooner-work: i will kick my little bros ass till the end just because thats how it is. Oct 12 17:45:16 when you select "USB MODE" it will create a temporary FAT FS link to a backend Palm FS Oct 12 17:45:46 Then we can create one large ROOT FS partition Oct 12 17:45:54 using all 7.5 gigs Oct 12 17:46:03 and the user can use it for whatever they want Oct 12 17:46:10 see what I am saying? Oct 12 17:46:21 Templarian: Can you do some avatar magic for me when you get time? :D Oct 12 17:47:23 Templarian: basically alterring my current one to show me as "Patch Meister" or something.. it can keep the same template if you want. Or you can make it completely unique. To show my WebOS-Internals connection and Preware. Oct 12 17:50:05 by the way all.. my pre got random cracks ally by it self on the two bottom corners.. how sad Oct 12 17:50:32 it was my original. i was happy i got lucky with it..but i guess not so much Oct 12 17:58:58 here is a question Oct 12 17:59:01 is rod around Oct 12 17:59:11 or anyone else that understands his new app for the app limit issue Oct 12 17:59:14 I would expect that rod is sleeping Oct 12 17:59:16 dBsooner-work: just use paint I believe it can handle pngs. Oct 12 17:59:22 jack: what's your question? Oct 12 17:59:30 ya.. i didnt think that kid sleept nt4cats Oct 12 17:59:48 what happens if you apply his little fix downloadbunch of apps from catalog Oct 12 18:00:04 then either get a new pre or doctor your pre and have to restore from back up Oct 12 18:00:38 lulz Oct 12 18:00:44 and lots of them Oct 12 18:00:56 The palm app store installer is rediculous. His app "tricks" the palm app store installer into NOT being rediculous Oct 12 18:00:57 will it be able to restore all the catalog apps without going funky considering at that point the app is not on yourpre to remove the limit Oct 12 18:01:11 yes that i understand Oct 12 18:01:22 what about 1.3? Oct 12 18:01:24 so restoring from back up ignores the app catalog completley Oct 12 18:01:42 restoring from back up doesnt take that limit into account? Oct 12 18:01:44 ... I assume you'd have to install his app before you try and restore all of the apps Oct 12 18:02:05 I understand his app reasonably well. I've never looked into restoring from backup Oct 12 18:02:06 pre automatically starts restoring apps after you log into your palm account Oct 12 18:02:31 ya.. sure be nice to know Oct 12 18:02:38 if it fails restoring your apps it'll probably just stop ... at which point you can install Rob's fix and then go into your profile and 'restore' more apps Oct 12 18:03:01 maybe like you saidits the app catalog that acts ridiculous not necessarily the pre? Oct 12 18:03:29 is there an option to restore apps manually? Oct 12 18:03:31 It is the app catalog install code -- but that code could very reasonably be shared by the backup/restore app, too Oct 12 18:04:08 jack: I can tell you that Palm touts the ability to "work around" the install limit by saying you can delete apps from your pre and then pull down others from your palm profile ... Oct 12 18:05:13 hum... does that go for free apps.. i wonder Oct 12 18:05:25 i know its the case with paid apps Oct 12 18:05:44 I don't know -- reset your pre to factory default and let me know how that goes ;) Oct 12 18:06:17 haha ok i think i will Oct 12 18:06:30 but i need to install his app first to install more catalog apps Oct 12 18:07:21 and i am not sure where it is in preware... i did a list of all available applications then sorted by time and didnt see it in todays section. i did update feeds Oct 12 18:08:34 do the "show everything" from the 1st page, not the "all apps" inside of "applications" Oct 12 18:09:07 sorry it says "List of Everything" Oct 12 18:09:08 list everything it is Oct 12 18:09:32 installing now... Oct 12 18:10:03 so its not an actual app for the front end but runs in the backround? Oct 12 18:10:04 you may want to set your pre down as this app has been known to turn 3 out of every 5 Pre's into molten slag Oct 12 18:10:24 im still waiting for it to catch on fire Oct 12 18:10:40 jack: it simply places two wrapper scripts into root's path. Oct 12 18:10:55 got it Oct 12 18:11:07 jack: ... so when the palm installer calls these two unix commands in an asinine way, it de-assifies them Oct 12 18:11:39 still same error.. may i need to do a luna restart or entire restart Oct 12 18:12:02 jack: do you have shell access to your pre (or do you have internalz installed)? Oct 12 18:12:20 both Oct 12 18:13:16 drop to a shell , sudo to root, and type (no quotes) "df -mh" Oct 12 18:13:35 one of the lines should start with: Oct 12 18:13:48 /dev/mapper/store-var Oct 12 18:13:49 248.0M 118.2M 129.7M 48% /var Oct 12 18:14:22 can you copy-and-paste the "/var" line here? Oct 12 18:14:23 yes Oct 12 18:15:44 sorry i am on my netbook running remix.. and i am new to linux... let me boot up my computer with windows Oct 12 18:15:52 or will terminal on this let me connect to my pre Oct 12 18:16:20 you can connect to your pre if you have novaterm installed -- or if you put ssh onto your pre you can just ssh into it Oct 12 18:16:27 How do you get a shell on your pre from windoze? Oct 12 18:17:16 ssh in with putty Oct 12 18:17:23 then you can do it from linux Oct 12 18:17:43 open up a linux command prompt on your netbook Oct 12 18:18:15 type (no quotes) "ssh -p 222 {username}@{ip address for your pre}" Oct 12 18:18:28 Hi! I'm having trouble here, I installed the battery icon and percent patch prior to themeing my pre. I then installed a theme which is conflicting with the patch. I now cannot remove the patch via preware and i cannot install it again etc via webOs quickinstaller. any suggestions? Oct 12 18:18:41 This command assumes that you have dropbear (or another ssh daemon) running on your pre at port 222 Oct 12 18:19:21 /dev/mapper/store-var Oct 12 18:19:21 248.0M 161.4M 86.6M 65% /var Oct 12 18:19:45 marcox: remove the theme. Commit yourself to NEVER install a theme that makes CSS/JS changes. Go on with your life and don't sin again Oct 12 18:20:07 aman nt4cats Oct 12 18:20:30 jack: okay, let's make sure that rwhitby's app is installed correctly Oct 12 18:21:00 please type (no quotes) "ls -l /usr/local/bin/" Oct 12 18:21:24 There may be several items shown, but two of them should look like this: Oct 12 18:21:34 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 59 Oct 12 10:17 du -> /var/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.fairdinkum/du Oct 12 18:21:34 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 61 Oct 12 10:17 ipkg -> /var/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.fairdinkum/ipkg Oct 12 18:22:43 indeed Oct 12 18:22:46 they are there Oct 12 18:24:05 You have 86M free, which doesn't seem unreasonable Oct 12 18:24:34 hum when trying to install from catalog i recived the dreaded error Oct 12 18:24:50 I wouldn't expect that you'd need to restart luna *or* the pre, but I guess a quick reboot couldn't hurt Oct 12 18:25:06 (I'd do the {orange}-{SYM}-{R} variety) Oct 12 18:25:32 just for kicks i will restart luna first to see if that helps then it can be added to the instructions Oct 12 18:25:46 egaudet: ping Oct 12 18:25:53 otherwise might require a full reboot Oct 12 18:26:09 The way that I got my /var to have 129.7M free is I used this technique to move a few applications to /media/internal: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Solution_to_App_Catalog_Installation_Limit Oct 12 18:26:15 dBsooner-work, pong Oct 12 18:26:21 nt4cats: thanks for the advice, I removed the theme. no theme installed at the moment. my problem now is i cannot uninstall the batter icon and percent patch, i get a error from preware Oct 12 18:26:30 "no reply from host" Oct 12 18:26:51 marcox, EPR is the only solution Oct 12 18:26:51 egaudet: What is META_SUB_VERSION? I see you changed META_VERSION to it. Did you make all Makefiles MSV = 1? Oct 12 18:27:01 ya thats the work around sushi and i found Oct 12 18:27:03 marcox: there may be a more elegant solution, but I am pretty sure that if you run the Emergency Patch Recovery tool EPR you'll be back at a sane state Oct 12 18:27:10 looks like its been a little bit more cleaned up Oct 12 18:27:14 dBsooner-work, split meta version into global and sub versions Oct 12 18:27:21 thanks guys, i really REALLY appreciate the help. Oct 12 18:27:26 so that globally all packages can be rebuilt or on a package by package basis Oct 12 18:27:28 can you explain difference and why to use them? Oct 12 18:27:33 ok Oct 12 18:27:46 so MSV you would just increment 1,2,3,4 etc Oct 12 18:27:48 I need to run to the bank ... I'll be back in 20-30 minutes Oct 12 18:27:56 nt4cats: bank's closed Oct 12 18:28:00 Columbus Day Oct 12 18:28:05 you're right Oct 12 18:28:07 Hah! Oct 12 18:28:08 I know. Oct 12 18:28:10 you saved me a walk Oct 12 18:28:12 :) Oct 12 18:28:18 ill keep you posted nt4cats Oct 12 18:28:20 yea, it's 1-1 right now Oct 12 18:28:20 I just did an install at a ladies house that is a banker. Oct 12 18:28:25 oh shit it is columbus day huh Oct 12 18:28:38 META_GLOBAL-META_SUB Oct 12 18:28:45 where is blval set? Oct 12 18:28:48 global is in common.mk Oct 12 18:28:53 s/blval/global/ Oct 12 18:28:54 dBsooner-work meant: where is global set? Oct 12 18:28:54 i swear i hardly go to the bank but last 3 years i always end up going on columbus day to be disapointed at the stupid closed sign Oct 12 18:28:56 I'm going to go take a quick walk anyway. I'll be back in 10-15, then. Oct 12 18:28:56 ok Oct 12 18:29:15 I'll ping you when I get back Jack Oct 12 18:29:30 alrighty Oct 12 18:30:14 luna restarts still gives me not enough room error Oct 12 18:30:41 orange+sym+r method now Oct 12 18:30:46 egaudet, tharris-, Rick_work: I value yous guys opinions.. what do you think of me resizing my var to 2GB? Oct 12 18:30:59 of course Templarian too.. ---^ Oct 12 18:32:04 dBsooner-work, in the near future i may bug you about resizing var. right now i am trying to figure out what happens after you over flow your pre with apps then restore from back up Oct 12 18:32:43 after you what? Oct 12 18:33:04 with rod's app limit fix. Oct 12 18:33:38 i want to know what happens after you install a ton of apps and then restore the pre or even get a new per... will it restore all the backed up apps after you login to your profile Oct 12 18:33:52 Jack1987: ohh.. Oct 12 18:33:53 good point Oct 12 18:34:04 if I am going to modify /var, I might test that Oct 12 18:34:15 because meta-doctor requires a doctor Oct 12 18:34:17 It is supposed to from the App store, but not necessarily the PreWare ones Oct 12 18:34:17 i am trying to right now Oct 12 18:34:37 although it goes by app_id so if there is a match, you'll get one from the app store Oct 12 18:34:42 but rod app doesnt seem to be helping at the momment Oct 12 18:34:43 FreeTim: right.. but what he is saying, more than 64MB of App Catalog apps Oct 12 18:35:07 . oh Oct 12 18:35:30 i keep getting the not enough memory error stil even after installing rod's app Oct 12 18:35:41 Jack1987: type path Oct 12 18:35:45 dBsooner-work, resizing is personal preference depending on where you want/need thes pace Oct 12 18:35:48 err echo $PATH Oct 12 18:35:48 space* Oct 12 18:36:04 egaudet: Right, I don't need space for /media/internal Oct 12 18:36:09 I need space for /var :D Oct 12 18:36:19 * dBsooner-work don't put anything in /media/internal except pics Oct 12 18:36:20 then you answered your own question :P Oct 12 18:36:24 aye Oct 12 18:36:26 I did Oct 12 18:36:46 Jack1987: echo $PATH Oct 12 18:36:50 root@castle:/# err echo $PATH Oct 12 18:36:50 -sh: err: not found Oct 12 18:37:08 my bad.. it's just "echo $PATH" Oct 12 18:37:22 err = woops, I meant.. Oct 12 18:37:37 /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/sbin::/opt/bin:/opt/sbin Oct 12 18:38:00 err $PATH Oct 12 18:38:01 -sh: err: not found Oct 12 18:38:36 lol Oct 12 18:38:43 hmm Oct 12 18:38:58 /usr/local/bin is the first one Oct 12 18:39:10 do: ls -l /usr/local/bin/ipkg Oct 12 18:39:30 and: ls -l /usr/local/bin/du Oct 12 18:39:37 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 61 Oct 12 12:09 /usr/local/bin/ipkg -> /var/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.fairdinkum/ipkg Oct 12 18:40:18 its installed Oct 12 18:40:45 i know Oct 12 18:40:48 what about the other? Oct 12 18:40:57 other what? Oct 12 18:41:04 i want to make sure it is linked to du in the same path as above Oct 12 18:41:22 then type "du test" Oct 12 18:41:27 it should output "0 test" Oct 12 18:41:28 hey maybe this is a dumb question but is/would it be better to install patches via quickinstall or preware? Oct 12 18:41:36 which du Oct 12 18:41:50 0 Oct 12 18:41:58 just type "du test" it SHOULD output 0 test" or "0" Oct 12 18:41:59 just 0 Oct 12 18:42:13 oh. because it's the second flag Oct 12 18:42:21 du -h test Oct 12 18:42:21 marcox, better is subjective, they should install/remove the same Oct 12 18:42:23 see what that does Oct 12 18:42:33 ty Oct 12 18:42:39 that should put out "0 test" Oct 12 18:42:46 0 test Oct 12 18:42:48 k Oct 12 18:42:57 the du is installed right Oct 12 18:43:08 do this: ipkg -o /var list Oct 12 18:43:16 it SHOULD return a list of INSTALLED apps Oct 12 18:43:24 not a list of apps available. Oct 12 18:43:39 dBsooner-work, why? Oct 12 18:43:40 org.webosinternals.fairdinkum - 0.3.0 - Fair Dinkum App Limit Oct 12 18:43:40 is in the list Oct 12 18:43:45 oh Oct 12 18:43:51 fair dinkum wraps ipkg binary too? Oct 12 18:43:51 egaudet: fairdinkum Oct 12 18:43:54 yes Oct 12 18:43:57 it wraps both Oct 12 18:44:09 beacuse they are calling LIST instead of LIST_AVAILABLE Oct 12 18:44:18 i mean LIST_INSTALLED Oct 12 18:44:18 lol Oct 12 18:44:27 hmm Oct 12 18:44:34 Jack1987: reboot the phone? (shouldn't matter though..) Oct 12 18:44:35 hmm Oct 12 18:44:40 ha did so Oct 12 18:44:47 still no luck Oct 12 18:44:51 cd /var Oct 12 18:45:10 k im in var Oct 12 18:45:32 /usr/bin/du -h Oct 12 18:45:43 whats the last number Oct 12 18:45:59 150.9 Oct 12 18:46:07 you're out of room Oct 12 18:46:19 the /var part is only 148MB by default Oct 12 18:46:31 you physically can't install more than that Oct 12 18:46:45 oh got it.. Oct 12 18:47:17 try installing something with preware Oct 12 18:47:28 so var partition is 148 but app limit will not install above 64 Oct 12 18:47:59 Jack1987: correct Oct 12 18:48:01 you can't install more than the drive has available Oct 12 18:48:08 s/drive/partition/ Oct 12 18:48:08 dBsooner-work meant: you can't install more than the partition has available Oct 12 18:48:22 well whats the deal of having 150.9 for me? Oct 12 18:48:56 oh wait Oct 12 18:49:01 its 248MB total Oct 12 18:49:18 i should have 85m free Oct 12 18:49:58 hmm Oct 12 18:50:10 there is likely more checks than the du/ipkg workaround Oct 12 18:50:18 I must live in bazarro-world. The bank was open Oct 12 18:50:34 weird Oct 12 18:50:53 /dev/mapper/store-var Oct 12 18:50:53 248.0M 153.6M 94.3M 62% /var Oct 12 18:51:13 Jack1987: let's do a test Oct 12 18:51:24 wow weird nt4cats Oct 12 18:51:33 Jack1987: mv /usr/bin/du /usr/bin/du.old Oct 12 18:51:45 Jack1987: mv /usr/bin/ipkg /usr/bin/ipkg.old Oct 12 18:52:11 mv: cannot rename '/usr/bin/du': Read-only file system Oct 12 18:52:21 oh wait let me remount Oct 12 18:52:22 first: mount -o remount,rw / Oct 12 18:52:23 ;) Oct 12 18:52:59 ok done Oct 12 18:53:24 now just try app catalog Oct 12 18:53:24 Ello Oct 12 18:53:30 ruh roh Oct 12 18:53:32 everyone run Oct 12 18:53:39 hi keith Oct 12 18:53:41 Keith the dean of mean is here Oct 12 18:53:41 Another day, Another non-Palm fix. Oct 12 18:53:45 lol Oct 12 18:53:48 thanks for the help all. thus concludes my session. enjoy your columbus day everybody, ty! Oct 12 18:53:51 They release something? Oct 12 18:53:52 :D Oct 12 18:53:57 never dB Oct 12 18:53:59 sorry, not enough memory! Oct 12 18:54:00 ahhh! Oct 12 18:54:03 bye Oct 12 18:54:09 wow.. Jack1987 .. that's wierd. Oct 12 18:54:23 dBsooner-work, how is that weird? Oct 12 18:54:35 doesnt seem like rod's app is working Oct 12 18:54:38 has anyone else tested it Oct 12 18:55:00 Jack, several have reported success with it Oct 12 18:55:07 it doesn't change the SPACE issue tho Oct 12 18:55:15 I THOUGHT Rod's app removed the 64MB limit bug, but didn't specify there were no other checks up to /var physical limit Oct 12 18:55:16 egaudet: the fair dinkum should work Oct 12 18:55:17 it only removes the 64 limits Oct 12 18:55:19 rod said so Oct 12 18:55:19 ive got plenty of space Oct 12 18:55:19 ;) Oct 12 18:55:29 lol Oct 12 18:55:33 jack: can you put the complete ouptut of "df -mh" on pastebin and give us the pastebin URL here? Oct 12 18:56:13 lol, I love how we call shit... "bugs" Oct 12 18:56:33 what should it be "shotty programming"? Oct 12 18:56:34 :D Oct 12 18:56:41 call a spade a spade Oct 12 18:56:46 .hit Jack1987 Oct 12 18:56:53 Hello, does anyone else have the issue that when they click on the download button in the app catalog, it completely locks up the phone for a bit, and once it finishes downloading it does so again during the installation? Oct 12 18:56:53 http://pastebin.com/m62798285 Oct 12 18:57:05 dbsooner: don't say "shoddy programming", you'll hurt oil's feelings Oct 12 18:57:24 Flashpass, yes, Oct 12 18:57:29 bougyman, is after me Oct 12 18:57:33 check out www.precentral.com and the story on it Oct 12 18:57:34 FlashPass: http://bit.ly/4HZAC Oct 12 18:57:51 http://www.precentral.net/app-install-limit-be-gone-fair-dinkum-app-limit-patch Oct 12 18:57:55 nt4cats, i posted url Oct 12 18:58:07 "bug" covers everything Oct 12 18:58:18 jack: looking ... Oct 12 18:58:36 egaudet, you're being polote Oct 12 18:58:38 polite too Oct 12 18:58:41 Ah thanks all, so that was contributing to it Oct 12 18:58:41 Jack1987: i doin't see anything really that stands out in that Oct 12 18:58:55 I am fairly sick of people making excuses for Palm now. Oct 12 18:59:00 jack: one difference between yours and mine that I see is that /opt is much bigger than mine ... and they both share /dev/mapper/store-var Oct 12 18:59:03 not you in particular Oct 12 18:59:19 DarthPooh: I am waiting on Palm to call me asking if they can have all the patches in our autopatch feed. Oct 12 18:59:24 the responses "It's a new system" or "it's still in transition" is a joke. Oct 12 18:59:35 why would that be nt4cats Oct 12 18:59:44 DarthPooh, it's not really making excuses moreso understanding even the best coders introduce bugs that looking back are just stupid, foolish or oversights Oct 12 18:59:48 The response: "We are understaffed and overworked" might be logical though. Oct 12 18:59:50 dBsooner-work, does that have to do with the mv i did a bit ago Oct 12 18:59:50 So simply install that app and that lag will be removed? Oct 12 19:00:10 Flashpass: theoretically, yes. Oct 12 19:00:16 Flashpass: let us know. Oct 12 19:00:17 when you have people like Chrisa sitting there watching this place? I don't buy the understaffed/overworked bit... Oct 12 19:00:23 Flashpass: if it doesn't, I can tell you another way to do it. Oct 12 19:00:54 DarthPooh: not devoting enough resources to the place they are needed? Oct 12 19:01:18 ya i dont feel like rod's app is working at all Oct 12 19:01:37 I know I get all speechy about this kind of crap, but I've been drinking the Palm Kool-Aid for too long. Oct 12 19:01:42 jack, i'm going to test it now Oct 12 19:01:45 dBsooner-work: okay great thanks, I need to go through the preware upgrade process first :) Oct 12 19:01:49 Something like the app catalog memory issue is not something I would expect to be high priority Oct 12 19:01:55 WHAT?! Oct 12 19:02:25 egaudet: I agree. Oct 12 19:02:25 that's insane! Oct 12 19:02:25 i really wanted to see what happens if it try to restore a backed up pre with over 64mb of catalog apps Oct 12 19:02:25 especially considering the catalog is only NOW getting enough apps to even see that problem (meaning Palm shouldn't be supporting massive homebrew installations) Oct 12 19:02:40 I would expect it should've been high priority within the last 2 months Oct 12 19:02:42 egaudet, DarthPooh: They have much larger things to fix before that. Like all the "business class" problems tey need to correct so more business will jump on board. Oct 12 19:02:43 I know people without HB who are running into this issue Oct 12 19:03:38 dBsooner: agreed! but to only work on one thing at a time, is the demise of the company. Oct 12 19:03:42 Their phone can multitask but they cant Oct 12 19:03:47 DarthPooh, I'm positive they aren't working on thing at a time Oct 12 19:04:11 ahhh! Oct 12 19:04:22 I suppose the most irksome is the lack of built in functionality of the phone as a phone. Oct 12 19:04:38 DarthPooh, so having my original pre all this time that i was so proud of... well i got two cracks on the bottom cornors just apeared out of no where Oct 12 19:04:42 s/on/on one Oct 12 19:04:55 i.e. PATCHING is neccessary at this point. Oct 12 19:05:12 Jack1987: ouch... what is your course of action? Oct 12 19:05:19 nt4cats, does any of this make sense on why it is not working considering it worked for others Oct 12 19:05:37 DarthPooh, i talked to sprint but they want me to come back today to try to get a replacement Oct 12 19:05:45 jack: not yet, but I'm plinking on my pre right now trying to see if I can figure out what is going on with yours Oct 12 19:06:04 so i will be going back today but i want to test what happens when you overload pre using rods app adn then try to restore the back up Oct 12 19:06:13 who all has meta-doctored? Oct 12 19:06:34 i dont think it's officially released, is it? Oct 12 19:06:48 ill meta-doctor dBsooner-work but perhaps after this little issue is solved Oct 12 19:07:12 I don't know DarthPooh. I am going to try it, just don't know the correct way to make sure all my text's are backed up Oct 12 19:07:42 hmmmm, msgvol001 file i think... Oct 12 19:07:47 i have to remember that one Oct 12 19:07:52 so dBsooner-work did Fair Dinkum App Limit App work for you Oct 12 19:07:58 trying now Oct 12 19:09:23 "downloading flightview" Oct 12 19:09:29 instaleld Oct 12 19:10:28 watch your language Oct 12 19:10:54 jack: I need to spend at least an hour on my real job today ;) I am really quite interested in helping you debug what is going on. Oct 12 19:10:57 damn it. i dont understand what is so different about my pre Oct 12 19:11:24 nt4cats, now worries Oct 12 19:11:34 jack: you've probably got a case that others do have, just not one that Rod had seen (and therefore it hasn't been taken into account yet) Oct 12 19:11:38 i guess i can try doing a webos dr starting from scratch Oct 12 19:11:48 i just really wanted to go replace my pre in the next few hours Oct 12 19:12:27 think i should leave it alone for now nt4cats? not dr so we can try to find a solution at some pont Oct 12 19:12:30 point* Oct 12 19:12:43 I think the most important thing is that you have a phone that works and makes you happy, personally Oct 12 19:13:08 entity- huh? Oct 12 19:13:31 haha ya agreeded but still feel a bit selfish. for the most part it works just fine its the damn cracks that are annoying so i can live with it for atleast one more day before it drives me nuts Oct 12 19:13:55 ... but if your phone is meeting your needs right now and you want to be a guinea pig for a few hours, I'd summarize your problems and the things we've looked at on this link http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/208909-fair-dinkum-app-limit-remove-arbitrary-limit-app-installation.html ... and someone (maybe even Rob) will reach out to you Oct 12 19:14:26 nt4cats: hmmmm, my phone hasnt meet my needs since June 6th ;) Oct 12 19:14:48 DarthPooh I'm getting really tired of your pre-bashing Oct 12 19:15:01 If you are so freaking unhappy with it, sell it and buy a blackberry Oct 12 19:15:31 Why? I'm not allowed to have an opinion? Oct 12 19:15:38 basically say you're still getting the error, you made sure the app is installed, put the pastebin URL in there ... any other details you think are relevant ... and chances are very good someone will try to help (maybe even me during the baseball game tonight) Oct 12 19:15:50 That's insane, you're small minded Oct 12 19:15:56 of course you are. But what's the point of your hanging out in the pre discussiom board and dissing the phone over and over again. Oct 12 19:16:20 Since the Emergency Patch Reconvery tool is a patch, once it's done "installing" then it's done doing it's work? Or do i need to run it somehow? Oct 12 19:16:29 DarthPoo: I don't know you, but I infer from Rick's comment that you don't know the difference between having an opinion and trolling. Having an opinion is fine. Being a douchebag is not. Oct 12 19:16:29 It's actually more constructive than you think Oct 12 19:16:32 rob's a sleep.. youwon't see him for at least another 2 or 3 hours Oct 12 19:16:45 rod* Oct 12 19:17:02 meh, Calling someone a troll is a simple scapegoat Oct 12 19:17:25 ok, then let me try again. Oct 12 19:17:28 besides, I've contributed more to the community... Oct 12 19:17:37 so let's not act like I don't belong Oct 12 19:17:40 I'm not disagreeing with that. Oct 12 19:18:08 I'm saying that the negative comments are easily misunderstood by people who do not hang out in these forums for hours at a time. Oct 12 19:18:22 Then this forum/irc channel is NOT for them. Oct 12 19:18:33 people know who I am Oct 12 19:18:41 they see my face once a week for crying out loud Oct 12 19:18:44 your statement that the phone has not met your needs since June 6 is utterly fair, and reasinable.... but it's deceptive and not indicative of your real state of mind about the Pre. Oct 12 19:19:02 My email box is FULL of people in agreement... Oct 12 19:19:22 Rick_work: of course its deceptive, except for the whole ;) at the end of it Oct 12 19:19:42 sarcasm just fails on IRC so frequently. Oct 12 19:19:52 keith.newman@precentral.net I got bombed hard the past two weeks from long time fan boys like myself Oct 12 19:20:09 I'm hurt by Palm finally... Oct 12 19:20:19 even the 650 debacle was forgivable... Oct 12 19:20:20 perhaps we need to start using die now tags. Oct 12 19:20:57 nt4cats: And, calling me a douchebag = lameness on your part. Oct 12 19:21:08 People tend to be a lot more vocal when dissatisfied than vice versa Oct 12 19:21:11 Darth: actually, I didn't call you any names. I don't know you. Oct 12 19:21:12 watch your language Oct 12 19:21:36 nt4cats: anytime you need to resort to the lowest common denominator, like name calling, you lose your point automatically Oct 12 19:21:45 Darth: I simply was suggesting, in frank language, the difference between categories of behavior Oct 12 19:21:47 egaudet: indeed. Oct 12 19:21:59 nt4cats: you're playing coy now... Oct 12 19:22:10 Darth: No one has ever called me coy before. Oct 12 19:22:19 why are you peopl eyapping on about this Oct 12 19:22:24 * Rick_work puts his hands over his ears, closes his eyes and wishes he had never spoken. Oct 12 19:22:26 and not talking about webos dev Oct 12 19:22:43 entity- I made a boo boo Oct 12 19:22:53 DarthPooh I formally apologise. Oct 12 19:22:54 nt4cats: but it's ok. people feel safe in hiding behind things like "being a...." as not being direct and therefore safe. Oct 12 19:23:06 Darth: I feel very safe now, thanks. Oct 12 19:23:10 entity- how can we help you today Sir or Madam as the case may be? Oct 12 19:23:33 im a genderless entity Oct 12 19:23:39 lol Oct 12 19:23:48 Rick_work: nah, you know I still have, use, and will continue to BASH/PRAISE palm as nec Oct 12 19:24:00 I know Oct 12 19:24:01 entity- again, douche bag isn't a course Oct 12 19:24:12 curse either Oct 12 19:24:16 effing fingers Oct 12 19:24:26 nt4cats: btw, cute... Oct 12 19:24:37 DarthPoo: ... now I do get "cute" all the time. Oct 12 19:25:01 is therea pre txt editor? Oct 12 19:25:05 not yet Oct 12 19:25:13 other than memo ? Oct 12 19:25:15 you mean, word docs? Oct 12 19:25:17 or memos Oct 12 19:25:18 there totalling need to be one Oct 12 19:25:23 Pre TEXT editor. -- memo. Oct 12 19:25:28 for txt files Oct 12 19:25:29 Pre WORD processor -- not yet. Oct 12 19:25:35 nope Oct 12 19:25:39 well Oct 12 19:25:42 for txt files ON THE PRE? Oct 12 19:25:43 nano Oct 12 19:25:45 in terminal Oct 12 19:25:46 terminal, VI ;) Oct 12 19:25:59 oh really Oct 12 19:26:01 but, I wouldn't exactlly trust that Oct 12 19:26:06 why? Oct 12 19:26:06 ipkg-opt install nano? Oct 12 19:26:07 RLY Oct 12 19:26:10 yep Oct 12 19:26:17 ill do it Oct 12 19:26:24 or nano is installable from the webos-internals feed on preware Oct 12 19:26:43 oh nice Oct 12 19:26:50 why woulnd't you trust nano on terminal DP? Oct 12 19:26:58 not terminal Oct 12 19:27:00 errr nanon Oct 12 19:27:02 nano Oct 12 19:27:04 VI Oct 12 19:27:08 clunky Oct 12 19:27:08 entity: and vi is already on your pre Oct 12 19:27:19 nano vs vi... whats the difference why install nano Oct 12 19:27:22 no bad words about vi... ever! Oct 12 19:27:27 nanon* Oct 12 19:27:28 * nt4cats agress with Darth, nano is clunky Oct 12 19:27:28 nano is cleaner Oct 12 19:27:29 vi = modal editor = 1960's = ick ick ick Oct 12 19:27:32 i like vi Oct 12 19:27:45 is it Oct 12 19:27:47 I love VI, when I have a term window and full keyboard Oct 12 19:27:49 are the commands the same Oct 12 19:27:51 on the Pre? Not so much Oct 12 19:28:16 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nano_(text_editor) Oct 12 19:28:19 vi requires more keys than the pre has. The terminaldoes the best keybindings it can, but there just are not enough KEYS Oct 12 19:28:23 rick: you don't like the 1960's? That is a strange statement coming from our most decrepit #webos-internals friend ... Oct 12 19:28:42 commands are more Pre friendly Oct 12 19:28:42 nanon says it requires soemthing Oct 12 19:28:49 nt4cats I lived throught the 60's. I have no romantic notion of them as a golden age. Oct 12 19:28:52 eslse but i thought i ralready isnatll optware Oct 12 19:28:55 nano not nanon Oct 12 19:29:01 * nt4cats just edits text with sed Oct 12 19:29:14 You shouldn't need to do a lot of text editting on the pre anyway Oct 12 19:29:25 nt4cats -- you still use edlin in windows too huh? Oct 12 19:29:26 it looks like vi DarthPooh Oct 12 19:29:33 so now i can edit txt files? Oct 12 19:29:37 yep Oct 12 19:29:41 rick_work: well, no widnows, but edlin was lots of fin Oct 12 19:29:45 nano -c filename Oct 12 19:29:48 yes, it does, but the commands are more gooder for the Pre's hard keyboard Oct 12 19:29:52 I have a quick question for anyone Oct 12 19:29:58 Scratch: shoot Oct 12 19:29:58 43 Oct 12 19:30:03 my screen cracked over the weekend Oct 12 19:30:09 tape Oct 12 19:30:10 awwwwww Oct 12 19:30:13 and I can't use the touchscreen at ALL Oct 12 19:30:18 yep Oct 12 19:30:19 glue Oct 12 19:30:29 soldering iron -- heat works wonders. Oct 12 19:30:30 so I am trying to pull the files off using USB Oct 12 19:30:31 insurance :( Oct 12 19:30:33 hair dryer..... Oct 12 19:30:36 Scratch: call Sprint. especially if you bought the insurance Oct 12 19:30:43 how did your screen crack Scratch59 Oct 12 19:30:44 he wants to put it in USB mode Oct 12 19:30:48 but cant Oct 12 19:30:53 Scratch59 and you can't get into usb mode..... Oct 12 19:30:53 but I can't click the USB mode Oct 12 19:30:56 nodnodnod Oct 12 19:30:58 yup Oct 12 19:31:00 I saw that coming Oct 12 19:31:03 yah Oct 12 19:31:09 Palm is covering the cracked screen Oct 12 19:31:12 you can get into it with command line access Oct 12 19:31:18 Scratch59 did you ever run the linux access process on your pre? Oct 12 19:31:21 did you have it in dev mode? Oct 12 19:31:26 not really Oct 12 19:31:29 :( Oct 12 19:31:30 yes it is Oct 12 19:31:31 im putting a test html on my webserver and im going to try and edit it Oct 12 19:31:35 aha!!!!! Oct 12 19:31:37 ok cool! Oct 12 19:31:39 no problem then. Oct 12 19:31:45 take it home rick Oct 12 19:31:48 did you set up sftp? Oct 12 19:31:50 what desktop os do you run? Oct 12 19:31:52 no Oct 12 19:31:58 I never did any of that stuff Oct 12 19:32:02 I am in Ubuntu now Oct 12 19:32:04 if it's in dev mode, you're golden Oct 12 19:32:06 rick_work has got this one... Oct 12 19:32:06 ok Oct 12 19:32:08 I have XP on here as well Oct 12 19:32:15 did you install the SDK on your ubuntu? Oct 12 19:32:18 yeah Oct 12 19:32:19 scratch if it is in devmode then you can access it with novaterm and then push the files somewhere Oct 12 19:32:21 ok Oct 12 19:32:25 boy you are all set. Oct 12 19:32:31 1) run novaterm Oct 12 19:32:38 wait Oct 12 19:32:45 that gets you onto the pre as root. Oct 12 19:32:45 let me make sure I have it in Ubuntu Oct 12 19:32:54 I just realized that I have it in windows Oct 12 19:33:23 hey db Oct 12 19:33:31 ok Oct 12 19:33:34 negative Oct 12 19:33:36 its on windows Oct 12 19:33:36 the sdk is in windows? Oct 12 19:33:45 yeah Oct 12 19:33:46 I don't care, I just need to know Oct 12 19:33:48 ok Oct 12 19:33:55 lol Oct 12 19:33:56 go to /program files/palm/sdk/bin Oct 12 19:34:02 "I don't care" Oct 12 19:34:13 ;) Oct 12 19:34:40 im there Oct 12 19:34:49 Scratch59 is the Pre plugged in? Oct 12 19:34:54 yeah Oct 12 19:35:00 type novacom -t open tty:// Oct 12 19:35:09 you should get a new prompt Root@castle Oct 12 19:35:51 oh I am very sorry Oct 12 19:35:54 BRING UP CMD Oct 12 19:36:08 and then cd \program files\palm\sdk\bin Oct 12 19:36:11 and then type that. Oct 12 19:36:14 my bad Oct 12 19:36:23 Scratch59 Oct 12 19:36:29 i have to boot into windows Oct 12 19:36:36 ok Oct 12 19:36:39 brb Oct 12 19:36:42 tell me when you get there..... Oct 12 19:36:44 ;-) Oct 12 19:37:06 I miss IRC on my phone Oct 12 19:37:13 terminal Oct 12 19:37:15 irssi Oct 12 19:37:23 not clean Oct 12 19:37:26 true Oct 12 19:37:36 so start writing a mojo irc app Oct 12 19:37:46 I looked at it. Oct 12 19:37:49 i dont know crap about CSS Oct 12 19:37:49 non-trivial programming Oct 12 19:37:55 that's my problem Oct 12 19:38:02 so make it ugly and let a css person clean it up Oct 12 19:38:06 how do Oct 12 19:38:12 i change postiton in nanon Oct 12 19:38:13 on pre Oct 12 19:38:13 lol, I was thinking about that actually :D Oct 12 19:38:49 i have no arrows Oct 12 19:38:53 Okay PreWare has been updating for a reeeally long time after following these update steps haha Oct 12 19:39:02 entity: sure you do http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Terminal Oct 12 19:39:11 close it Flashpass Oct 12 19:39:13 entity: that page lists "non-obvious" key combinations Oct 12 19:39:13 then reopen Oct 12 19:39:16 stuck on a feed Oct 12 19:39:21 DarthPooh: hopefully PuffTheMagic and I will be gettin an irc app/service goin soon Oct 12 19:39:23 Flashpass you may need to restart your pre Oct 12 19:39:31 left == "Gesture area - 4" Oct 12 19:39:34 DarthPooh that would be good Oct 12 19:39:44 right == "Gesture area - 6" Oct 12 19:39:53 Brandon, you know I suck the nuts at CSS :) Oct 12 19:40:02 gesture area means hold your finger up next to the ball below the screen. Oct 12 19:40:02 Ah looks like it was stuck on a feed Oct 12 19:40:06 (and '4' is the 'D' key, '6' is the 'G' key) Oct 12 19:40:28 * nt4cats thanks rick for explaining the gesture area part so that I don't have to Oct 12 19:40:54 OK, what was the command line again? Oct 12 19:41:07 cd \program files\palm\sdk\bin Oct 12 19:41:07 bbl, I have to bring a ton of clothes to good will Oct 12 19:41:13 right Oct 12 19:41:13 novacom -t open tty:// Oct 12 19:41:14 im there Oct 12 19:41:15 cd \program files\palm\sdk\bin Oct 12 19:41:19 novacom -t open tty:// Oct 12 19:41:21 novacom -t open tty:// Oct 12 19:41:26 lol Oct 12 19:41:29 haha Oct 12 19:41:32 ive fucked up the whol file Oct 12 19:41:36 opps Oct 12 19:41:37 k Oct 12 19:41:39 im in Oct 12 19:41:39 swear sorry Oct 12 19:41:40 rick: stop copying me! Oct 12 19:41:44 ok Oct 12 19:41:48 ;) Oct 12 19:41:48 cd /tmp Oct 12 19:42:05 * freakout wakes up Oct 12 19:42:07 ok Oct 12 19:42:08 wget http://tinyurl.com/n8q2vy Oct 12 19:42:09 There's DRAMA? Oct 12 19:42:21 from me? Always Oct 12 19:42:27 done Oct 12 19:42:36 sh optware-bootstrap.sh Oct 12 19:42:36 DarthPooh-DRAMA: heh. You queen! Oct 12 19:42:43 follow the on-screen prompts Oct 12 19:42:44 indeed Oct 12 19:43:00 does anyone else run ubuntu remix? Oct 12 19:43:05 failed Oct 12 19:43:12 the wget failed? Oct 12 19:43:20 the sh Oct 12 19:43:21 you can just tar up /media/internal and novacom get it Oct 12 19:43:28 give him entire url? Oct 12 19:43:43 does he need to sh ./optware-bootstrap.sh ? Oct 12 19:43:45 ls Oct 12 19:43:48 is . in his path? Oct 12 19:43:52 ahhh Oct 12 19:44:01 sh ./optware-bootstrap.sh Oct 12 19:44:16 still didnt work Oct 12 19:44:18 * nt4cats sighs, rick is copying him again Oct 12 19:44:20 let me see whats in here Oct 12 19:44:22 why optware bootstrap just to back up /media/internal? Oct 12 19:44:23 Scratch59 ls Oct 12 19:44:33 yeah Oct 12 19:44:35 maybe he needs to remount file system as writeable Oct 12 19:44:39 there is no optware-bootstrap Oct 12 19:44:42 egaudet how do you propose to get it off the pre without an ftp client or something? Oct 12 19:44:51 Rick_work, novacom get Oct 12 19:44:55 mount -o remount,rw / Oct 12 19:45:01 ahhhh Oct 12 19:45:22 Scratch59 how much stuff do you have to backup? Oct 12 19:45:30 Scratch59, do mount -o remount,rw / and the fallow rick_home instructions Oct 12 19:45:32 thats a very good question Oct 12 19:45:43 tar -cvzf /tmp/backup.tar.gz /media/internal/ Oct 12 19:45:43 not more than a gig Oct 12 19:45:57 try what egaudet just said Oct 12 19:46:07 do you guys think he can maybe use winscp Oct 12 19:46:12 he's got a REALLY good idea Oct 12 19:46:18 Jack1987 he doesn't need to Oct 12 19:46:29 so then Oct 12 19:46:34 if he tars up /media/internal he can just novacom get it . Oct 12 19:46:35 if he fallowed the instrution on the wiki he might of just installed it.. be a lot easier i think? Oct 12 19:46:36 I just get the file using novacom? Oct 12 19:46:37 I'm an idiot Oct 12 19:46:52 he had NOT followed the instructions on the wiki Oct 12 19:46:53 no, IM an idiot Oct 12 19:46:56 that's what I was doing with him Oct 12 19:46:59 but this is better. Oct 12 19:47:00 i guess im not too familiar with novacom Oct 12 19:47:14 novacom is pretty neat Oct 12 19:47:25 bpadalino|work it is Oct 12 19:47:41 I think file transfer I think scp or ftp Oct 12 19:47:53 I keep FORGETTING novacom has get and put Oct 12 19:48:05 which is stupid since that's what INSTALL uses in the sdk. DUH Oct 12 19:48:16 got an error Oct 12 19:48:20 im installing sdk on remix netbook now Oct 12 19:48:21 and Im not sure what it means Oct 12 19:48:29 what does it say? Oct 12 19:48:39 gzip: short write Oct 12 19:48:53 tar: write errror: broken pipe Oct 12 19:48:53 du Oct 12 19:49:21 what do you want from there Oct 12 19:49:21 ? Oct 12 19:49:27 i vote he fallows these instructions... Oct 12 19:49:28 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Setup_SFTP Oct 12 19:49:30 tmp and media/internal Oct 12 19:49:34 don't do it to /tmp I'm stupid Oct 12 19:49:47 they are more dummy proof Oct 12 19:49:50 having network issues right now too Oct 12 19:49:55 and then just grab it all with winscp Oct 12 19:50:03 you ran out of room in tmp Oct 12 19:50:16 ohhhhh Oct 12 19:50:25 ok Oct 12 19:50:27 isn't /media/internal accessible through USB mass storage mode? why not just grab that part that way ? Oct 12 19:50:48 tar -cvzf /media/internal/backup.tar.gz /media/internal Oct 12 19:50:49 because his screen died, no touch screen, and no way to trigger usb mode from command line, Oct 12 19:50:58 ah, i missed that part Oct 12 19:51:09 there isn't a way to do it from the commandline? really ? Oct 12 19:51:17 I just changed that part and running it again Oct 12 19:51:19 so we're on with novacom (from windows) and are going to tar it up and then novacom get it Oct 12 19:51:25 ill have to rm the .tar from /tmp Oct 12 19:51:31 bpadalino|work we haven't found one yet. Oct 12 19:51:36 it MUST exist Oct 12 19:51:45 I mean, it's some command the system runs when you plug the pre in Oct 12 19:51:49 but we haven't found it. Oct 12 19:52:01 i am very surprised one of those installer/file viewing front ends hasn't implemented a "download" feature .. Oct 12 19:52:03 if you do it would save a lot of this kind of thing Oct 12 19:52:10 So are all the items in the 'Installed Packages' - 'Unknown' folder generally apps downloaded from the official palm catalog? Oct 12 19:52:11 they have Oct 12 19:52:12 they obviously know how to 'ls' using novacom Oct 12 19:52:13 oh Oct 12 19:52:16 http://www.precentral.net/googe-introduces-search-options-mobile-webos Oct 12 19:52:20 webos quick install will do gets and puts Oct 12 19:52:37 Rick_work, you really dont think it be easier for him to just install sftp server Oct 12 19:52:40 sounds like a pretty good idea Oct 12 19:52:55 simple as click and drag after that Oct 12 19:53:04 Jack1987, it's a tar command then a novacom get (or QI get file) Oct 12 19:53:09 Jack1987 this is two steps. Tar and then get. Sftp server is like a buch of steps and he's going to go abandon the phone Oct 12 19:53:11 can't get much simpler Oct 12 19:53:27 its one command Oct 12 19:53:32 cd /opt/bin Oct 12 19:53:32 ipkg-opt update Oct 12 19:53:32 ipkg-opt install openssh-sftp-server Oct 12 19:53:36 3 Oct 12 19:53:39 :) Oct 12 19:53:42 wth Oct 12 19:53:45 then login via winscp Oct 12 19:53:45 Jack1987 it is AFTER you get ipkg-opt installed Oct 12 19:53:49 which he hasn't done yet Oct 12 19:53:51 whats the max apps you can install? Oct 12 19:53:53 oh Oct 12 19:53:57 64MB worth ? Oct 12 19:53:58 50 Oct 12 19:54:03 and he doesn't have winscp so he would have to go get that too. Oct 12 19:54:10 50!!!! Oct 12 19:54:14 Scratch59 that turns out not to be the case Oct 12 19:54:16 64MB Oct 12 19:54:19 ohhhh Oct 12 19:54:22 sorry! Oct 12 19:54:22 entity- it's 64 meg Oct 12 19:54:26 well 60 really Oct 12 19:54:27 in /var Oct 12 19:54:40 needs headroom for install/remove Oct 12 19:54:43 once the things in /var add up to 64 meg of ANYTHING you're done Oct 12 19:54:46 i have 8GB though Oct 12 19:54:46 so a bit under me things Oct 12 19:54:53 entity it's partitioned. Oct 12 19:54:59 and it doesn't matter Oct 12 19:55:05 i have 46 installed Oct 12 19:55:12 preware will install up to out of space Oct 12 19:55:22 but the palm app catalog barfs after 64 meg ' Oct 12 19:55:22 why are people getting me started Rick_work ;)?!?! Oct 12 19:55:23 it has bugs Oct 12 19:55:44 DarthPooh IDK Oct 12 19:55:51 i guess i just remove them Oct 12 19:55:52 rick_work: there is a space limit after that too Oct 12 19:55:54 when its full? Oct 12 19:55:59 256MB Oct 12 19:56:03 they are stupid bugs that _WE_ could fix in a few minutes..... Oct 12 19:56:05 fair dinkum works around the 64mb limit Oct 12 19:56:06 that is a partion issue Oct 12 19:56:11 entity-, http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/208909-fair-dinkum-app-limit-remove-arbitrary-limit-app-installation.html Oct 12 19:56:12 yeah, but 256 meg is a LOT better than 64 meg Oct 12 19:56:21 indeed Oct 12 19:56:27 ya Oct 12 19:56:29 egaudet, its su[[psed to work around it Oct 12 19:56:32 jack i just read that Oct 12 19:56:35 that is why i asked Oct 12 19:56:35 egaudet, it did not work for me Oct 12 19:56:41 :) Oct 12 19:56:49 palm in their infinite wisdom (jack-assery) didn't match their own limits Oct 12 19:56:50 in 256 meg you can currently install EVERY app store app and EVERY home brew app and still have about 70 meg free. Oct 12 19:57:17 you are still an isolated case Jack :P Oct 12 19:57:24 loose cannon Oct 12 19:57:44 I just ran into that app limit for the first time. rwhitby has great timing. Oct 12 19:58:07 so I have everything zipped up Oct 12 19:58:12 I didn't realize it was arbitrary--I thought it was all just limited to the size of /var Oct 12 19:58:15 He knew you'd have that problem tlp Oct 12 19:58:17 never the less it still exists egaudet :) Oct 12 19:58:18 it was for you Oct 12 19:58:22 :p Oct 12 19:58:31 whats the syntax of the novacom get command Oct 12 19:58:34 ? Oct 12 19:59:15 novacom get file:///media/internal/backup.tar.gz > LOCALFILE Oct 12 19:59:30 from your CMD (exit novacom terminal first) Oct 12 20:00:19 werre you successful on installing optware then Scratch59 Oct 12 20:00:44 doesn't need optware Oct 12 20:01:00 tlp, did rwhitby app work for you Oct 12 20:01:57 so I just ran that get and the file has no extension Oct 12 20:02:20 yes Oct 12 20:02:49 can I open it? Oct 12 20:03:07 or do I just need to put it back into the new phone when I get it Oct 12 20:03:36 open it with 7zip Oct 12 20:03:50 or move it to your ubunto and untar it Oct 12 20:03:59 I used winrar Oct 12 20:04:03 or copy it to new pre and untar it Oct 12 20:04:10 but its missing most of the files Oct 12 20:04:11 any of those Oct 12 20:04:36 winrar doesn't recurse directories by default in tar gz files Oct 12 20:07:56 egaudet, doesnt look so isolated Oct 12 20:07:58 by has great timing. Oct 12 20:07:58 so I have everything zipped up Oct 12 20:08:02 oops Oct 12 20:08:07 http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/208909-fair-dinkum-app-limit-remove-arbitrary-limit-app-installation-6.html Oct 12 20:08:10 yea was just reading Oct 12 20:08:15 guess it's not isolated anymore :P Oct 12 20:09:42 haha nope Oct 12 20:09:57 i posted late in the fourm trying to figure it out in here but looks like it happened to many others Oct 12 20:10:17 now i dont feel so obligated not to replace my pre or even do a webos dr to see if that helps Oct 12 20:10:30 fuck it i will just replace it. Oct 12 20:10:56 :) Oct 12 20:13:44 removing the app now Oct 12 20:13:46 oh shit Oct 12 20:14:00 error remobing: see ipkg log Oct 12 20:14:15 remobing? did i typo in preware? Oct 12 20:14:33 haha oil funny Oct 12 20:14:35 Fail Oct 12 20:14:39 no it is my shittly typgin Oct 12 20:14:46 lol Oct 12 20:14:48 anyway now prewaer will not remove it Oct 12 20:14:48 ok Oct 12 20:14:53 lol Oct 12 20:14:55 whats the command for removing? Oct 12 20:15:23 Jack1987, what doe the ipkg log say Oct 12 20:15:29 whats the command for removing? Oct 12 20:15:35 Anyone plan on updating the "calendar-all-day-events-month-view" PATch? Oct 12 20:15:39 that's what it says? Oct 12 20:15:48 failure during 'removing' operation Oct 12 20:15:50 nothing useful Oct 12 20:16:02 errorgenericmethodexception Oct 12 20:16:09 yup Oct 12 20:16:42 Abyssul: I think Abyssul really needed to use it, and was going to fix it Oct 12 20:16:51 xD Oct 12 20:17:03 any thoughts egaudet Oct 12 20:17:18 going to checkout the script Oct 12 20:17:29 Im not code literate Oil Oct 12 20:17:51 lol Oct 12 20:19:39 * oil goes back to work Oct 12 20:20:43 Anyone know where to change the "Drag up to unlock" text on the lock screen? I searched and couldn't find it Oct 12 20:20:50 my Pre just choked on a m4v file :( Oct 12 20:20:55 Jack1987, you get error removing fair dinkum? Oct 12 20:22:18 yes Oct 12 20:23:09 maybe it's that remount bug Oct 12 20:23:29 what remount bug Oct 12 20:24:16 where you have to reboot your phone Oct 12 20:24:27 device or blah is busy Oct 12 20:24:48 ok rebooting Oct 12 20:25:02 if it doesnt remove now then there is something wrong with fair dinkum Oct 12 20:25:19 but there is a way to remove via command Oct 12 20:25:27 well the prerm script doesn't do anything just a couple of rm-f and exit 0 Oct 12 20:25:36 so it's not failing there Oct 12 20:26:26 someone made you remove the ipkg binary earlier to test your problems didn't they? Oct 12 20:26:37 hum... well we will see if it will remove after reboot Oct 12 20:26:42 mv your .old back to what they were Oct 12 20:26:50 oh right! Oct 12 20:26:53 I think you moved ipkg to ipkg.old or something Oct 12 20:26:53 that might just be it Oct 12 20:27:14 so just reverse the line of code Oct 12 20:27:15 that would effect your ability to do any ipkg commands (for instance remove, through preware or command line) Oct 12 20:27:25 yea Oct 12 20:27:33 mv the .old files back to what they were Oct 12 20:28:10 hum... i dunno what the command was Oct 12 20:28:40 ok got it Oct 12 20:29:54 yeah he did.. forgot to have him move them back Oct 12 20:31:23 mv /usr/bin/du.old /usr/bin/du Oct 12 20:31:42 mv /usr/bin/ipkg.old /usr/bin/ipkg Oct 12 20:31:43 ? Oct 12 20:32:09 yea Oct 12 20:32:43 alright I'm taking off, bbl Oct 12 20:33:06 Hmm.. where is the meta-doctor package? Oct 12 20:34:13 nm, I found it Oct 12 20:34:19 but it requires an ubuntu host. sigh. Oct 12 20:34:31 and PuffTheMagic is still avoiding me. Oct 12 20:34:42 ok that allowed me to remove now Oct 12 20:35:05 US$20 for a microusb cable at radio shack.. what a rip Oct 12 20:35:31 going to install from catalog without fair dinkum installed Oct 12 20:35:42 * Mousey wishes Jack1987 luck Oct 12 20:36:02 s/meta-doctor/nurse/ Oct 12 20:38:00 for others with fair dinkum.. did you need to reboot pre for it to take effect Oct 12 20:38:58 ya reinstalled same error about not having enough room... but there is not lag before it shows it Oct 12 20:39:20 where in the past it would pause a long time and then give you error Oct 12 20:39:35 well i quit Oct 12 20:40:09 Jack1987: no Oct 12 20:40:15 Jack1987: mine worked right off the bad Oct 12 20:40:23 s/bad/bat/ Oct 12 20:40:23 dBsooner-work meant: Jack1987: mine worked right off the bat Oct 12 20:41:13 oh well Oct 12 20:41:36 did you see that others have ran into the same problem dBsooner Oct 12 20:41:48 nah, didn't read the thread Oct 12 20:42:06 rod will have to look at it when he gets a chance. Oct 12 20:42:11 anyway.. i cant figure out which one is the battery that turns off when closing slider Oct 12 20:42:18 he should be awake in the next hour or two Oct 12 20:42:58 i am going to go see if can get a new pre since i have those cracks hopefully i wont face same issues with a new one. Oct 12 20:43:21 they should give you one Oct 12 20:43:37 last i checked they were still replacing pre's at stores for just about every issue that wasn't neglect Oct 12 20:44:04 does it have to be a coprate store Oct 12 20:44:20 It would have to be a repair center I would assume. Oct 12 20:44:27 ok Oct 12 20:44:30 thanks a bunch Oct 12 20:44:34 And not all repair store's are corporate. Oct 12 20:44:57 got it :) good to know dBsooner Oct 12 20:45:03 i need a shower i smell like shit Oct 12 20:45:07 lol Oct 12 20:45:07 anyway talk to you all later Oct 12 20:45:50 Im on my 3rd Pre and havnt had any trouble replacing mine Oct 12 20:45:53 pro tip: don't roll in shit Oct 12 21:04:46 sup ppl Oct 12 21:07:55 morning Oct 12 21:08:28 * Abyssul bows Oct 12 21:14:05 hi rwhitby Oct 12 21:14:22 did you get a chance to look into the thread to see all the hick ups in the new app Oct 12 21:15:00 anyway i need to head out... good luck Oct 12 21:19:42 Jack87-Away: yep. those that come here with correctly installed apps will be able to be part of debugging why it's not working. Oct 12 21:20:39 mine are indeed correctly installed Oct 12 21:20:45 but i need to get my pre replaced... Oct 12 21:21:09 rwhitby: got a sec? Oct 12 21:21:12 so im sorry i will not be able to help hopefully some other from the thread can considering there is a pretty good pool of people Oct 12 21:21:16 btw, morning fearless leader. Oct 12 21:25:57 rwhitby: I figure you are getting around with coffee, breakfast, etc.. so I'll just post my question: Do you have patches created for Meta-Doctor to work on 1.2.1? If not, I will create them this evening. If you are comfortable with the metadoc, I am going to give it a whirl and want to save the time of having to upgrade to 1.2.1 after whiping clean. Oct 12 21:28:12 is it my imagination or did wifi tethering stop working? Oct 12 21:28:30 hiyo Oct 12 21:32:10 Mousey there's a patch to tethering for 1.2.1 Oct 12 21:32:49 * freakout-work waves lazily to zsoc Oct 12 21:32:55 oh, so i should (re)install the mytether app Oct 12 21:32:55 ? Oct 12 21:33:05 oooh, so i should look among the patches Oct 12 21:36:10 search precentral Oct 12 21:36:16 k Oct 12 21:46:11 You're safe Rick_work.. The negative energy has left. ;) Oct 12 21:47:34 lol Oct 12 21:47:55 * freakout-work wonders what the room says about him when he quits Oct 12 21:48:38 im still using the mytether i installed wayback when, i only usb tether anyway Oct 12 21:49:47 this channel is logged freakout you can go look Oct 12 21:50:20 we will just summarize and say that it's... no no I'm not repeating that Oct 12 21:50:23 :-) Oct 12 21:50:28 Oct 12 21:50:53 dBsooner-work: patches for meta-doctor pushed Oct 12 21:51:01 * rwhitby heads to work Oct 12 21:51:11 freakout-work: just check the logs Oct 12 21:52:19 * Rick_work going home now -- see you all later. Oct 12 21:52:39 rwhitby and I are rather out of sync Oct 12 21:55:31 so the app limit problem is fixed? Oct 12 21:56:03 * Mousey donates Oct 12 21:56:24 rwhitby: Rick_work: sure, but who can trust the logs? I suspect rwhitby edits them xD Oct 12 21:56:30 * freakout-work cowers under tinfoil hat Oct 12 22:01:20 Decimate, fixed is a bad word for it. Oct 12 22:01:26 Decimate, it's.. uh.. 'patched' :> Oct 12 22:01:35 zsoc: so, fixed :P Oct 12 22:02:03 Decimate, fixed will be when Palm fixes their crap routines :P Oct 12 22:02:24 meh, pickles, onions. Oct 12 22:02:26 wait. Oct 12 22:03:19 that wasn't actually handy Oct 12 22:03:40 i just donated for the upgraded version of the mytether app, and lookey.. no linux installer Oct 12 22:03:44 now wtf Oct 12 22:05:22 ... isn't the installer run on-device? Oct 12 22:05:26 rwhitby: so where do I send my royalty claims for the app name? :p Oct 12 22:07:49 freakout-work, are you the genius behind 'Dinkum'? :P Oct 12 22:08:28 zsoc: ...for the old version Oct 12 22:08:31 ? Oct 12 22:09:48 Mousey, no idea. what's the new version? it's not an ipk? Oct 12 22:10:13 * Mousey shrugs Oct 12 22:10:16 zsoc: rwhitby and i were running through Oz-flavoured names last night :) Oct 12 22:10:33 the preware mytether seems to be for the 1.5 branch, but after donating, should be able to get the 2.x branch Oct 12 22:10:48 dudes!!!!!!!1 Oct 12 22:10:50 there's a WINDOWS installer.. but i don't have a windows machine Oct 12 22:10:57 is like gypp'd Oct 12 22:11:04 but maybe i'm just not finding the answer right Oct 12 22:11:42 * phiqtion wantz hero & pre Oct 12 22:12:33 but my wife wants to keep her curve Oct 12 22:14:33 the tour is nice Oct 12 22:20:06 * Mousey wants tethering Oct 12 22:21:44 * zsoc wants to cross compile db4 without mutex errors Oct 12 22:22:30 Mousey: http://tinyurl.com/2tw4rl Oct 12 22:22:40 zsoc: still having trouble? Oct 12 22:23:01 lol Oct 12 22:23:06 freakout-work, not at all, i just gave up on that days ago, lol. but my other routes aren't working out so well either Oct 12 22:23:48 poor zsoc Oct 12 22:23:54 * freakout-work hands zsoc a gold star for effrt Oct 12 22:24:05 ha, screw you Oct 12 22:24:13 * freakout-work hands himself a gld str 4 speeling Oct 12 22:27:55 freakout-away: I would only edit the logs to suit my purposes, not to edit out juicy bits about you ;-) Oct 12 22:30:16 ah ha, found it Oct 12 22:40:19 * Mousey writes simplistic howto on donor's only forum Oct 12 22:40:26 * Mousey feels like a helper! Oct 12 22:43:38 i donated AND wrote howto, how awesome am i?? Oct 12 22:43:42 * Mousey pats self on back Oct 12 22:46:56 rick_home: have you looked at this homebrew "palm reader" app? besides the punny title, I mean. I know you were working on an ebook reader and I assume that simple big book was the first version of it but with a single embedded book. Oct 12 22:47:07 Rick_work: ^^ Oct 12 22:50:55 Mousey, you won't get any pats in here about tethering or apps there of. Make yourself _really_ useful and edit the wiki with interesting non-tethering tutorials :) Oct 12 22:51:24 Mousey, just make sure you email me the details ^_^ Oct 12 22:51:31 j/k Oct 12 22:51:41 har Oct 12 22:51:57 zsoc: i see how it is. k Oct 12 22:52:18 Alright so I am done testing Ubuntu 9.10 - Any new linux flavor I should try? Oct 12 22:52:52 linux is linux Oct 12 22:53:05 Mousey: spare me Oct 12 22:53:05 as long as your using some distro of linux, you're fine. no need to use a bunch. they're all the same Oct 12 22:53:26 * Mousey spares thatdude Oct 12 22:53:43 * thatdude laughs at Mousey Oct 12 22:53:56 Mousey: I appreciate the laugh Oct 12 22:54:06 i'm sparing you, don't prod me Oct 12 22:54:07 ;) Oct 12 22:54:27 Mousey, please tell me you aren't serious? that statement is so ridiculous i don't know where to begin Oct 12 22:54:38 lol Oct 12 22:54:50 yea, how dare he put gentoo in the same category with other linux's Oct 12 22:54:53 hehe Oct 12 22:55:43 This is the thing, most of the guys here use gentoo where I am a debian guy so I was thinking I should try gentoo myself. Oct 12 22:55:49 linux is linux. the only real difference between distros is the packaging systems (rpm, apt, pacman, emerge) and where they put crap in /etc.. everything else is imaginary, or brand-loyaltyism Oct 12 22:56:04 Gentoo is great for developing, and some would argue that it seems :P Oct 12 22:56:18 http://funroll-loops.info/ Oct 12 22:56:33 Mousey, seriously, go to ##linux and say that, I don't have the strength or energy to even begin rebutting such off-topic rubbish :P Oct 12 22:56:37 gentoo is great for developers and people who want to learn about linux the micromanagement way Oct 12 22:56:49 Wow, zsoc check out Mousey link Oct 12 22:56:51 hey, dude asked what distro to try Oct 12 22:57:02 This guy got jokes zsoc Oct 12 22:57:04 i was just saying, they're all linux, its no big diff Oct 12 22:58:05 how distros are assembled are really engineers discretion.. whole communities have been built around assemblies of linux tools, even the Pre is just an ensemble of apps around a common kernel.. Oct 12 22:58:10 to see it another way is silly, imho Oct 12 22:58:27 o_O Oct 12 22:58:29 hell look at debian/kFreeBSD Oct 12 22:58:40 it's not linux anymore, but it's a FreeBSD distribution Oct 12 22:59:09 technically WebOS is very comparible in assembly to OpenWRT Oct 12 22:59:11 How is that your humble opinion? I've never seen humility boasted so loudly :P Oct 12 22:59:20 except for the architecture difference (i.e. ARM vs MIPS) Oct 12 23:00:03 whatever. the whole world is free to think what they want. thats just what i think, based on having used linux since 1994, basically every distro that's come out since Oct 12 23:00:32 s/, b/, and b Oct 12 23:00:36 +/ Oct 12 23:00:40 now it's too late Oct 12 23:00:43 ~botsnack Oct 12 23:00:44 :), Mousey Oct 12 23:00:44 Mousey: Which flavor do you use? Oct 12 23:00:48 debian Oct 12 23:01:08 but i also use debian's stable/testing/unstable all at the same time Oct 12 23:01:22 see http://ross154.net/MASTER.sources.list for reference Oct 12 23:01:45 Mousey: 404 Oct 12 23:01:51 gah, i'm a tard Oct 12 23:01:59 see http://ross154.net/~mprov/MASTER.sources.list Oct 12 23:02:00 .... Oct 12 23:02:40 thanks Oct 12 23:03:41 it's missing either skype or google apps, i can't remember which, it's only for x86, not PPC, or ARM, but it's functional. as long as you pin on testing Oct 12 23:04:47 oh, and #debian will laugh at you if you show it to them Oct 12 23:04:47 thatdude: I use Ubuntu server 8.04 for development myself. Oct 12 23:05:01 * Mousey gets laughed at a lot Oct 12 23:05:47 Mousey: actually, OpenWRT doesn't use OpenEmbedded. Technically, the Linux rootfs on which webOS runs is comparable to OpenMoko or Angstrom. Oct 12 23:06:04 rwhitby, have you ever found the need to cross compile db4? Oct 12 23:06:36 zsoc: if I did, I'd look in openembedded first, then optware, then openwrt, for patches to do so. Oct 12 23:07:03 rwhitby, that is a ridiculously good idea Oct 12 23:07:09 I will be brb, I have to format my laptop. Oct 12 23:07:15 that's fair. I was comparing them more because of the common package management heritage. but yeah, Yet Another Assembly Of Linux Stuff, with a transparent ancestry was my only real point Oct 12 23:09:58 rwhitby, btw, i don't know why you hate on gentoo so much. the little makefile template-based cross-compiling configurer you've got going is eerily similar to an ebuild :> Oct 12 23:12:17 zsoc: I don't hate on gentoo. My only problem with it is that it is impossible to have two Gentoo installations that are the same, so it makes debugging failures much more difficult for the authors of the applications or scripts that are being distributed. Oct 12 23:12:31 Gentoo is not a repeatable build environment. Oct 12 23:13:08 That's true to an extend. Oct 12 23:13:13 *extent Oct 12 23:13:20 That's a strength for some people, and a weakness for others. It's not inherently good or bad. Oct 12 23:14:22 There seems to be a patch for my mutex problem :P unfortunately it's written in oe garble, and I fear I'd have to learn so much about oe to figure out how to port the patch, that I'd be better off installing oe, lol Oct 12 23:19:56 rwhitby ping Oct 12 23:20:20 PuffTheMagic: ping as well Oct 12 23:20:22 dBsooner: syn|ack Oct 12 23:20:28 arg, ok i think i got this... now time to make another patch *sigh* Oct 12 23:20:51 rwhitby: do you think there is a way to resize the /var partition in the lvm without doctoring? Oct 12 23:21:25 i.e.. move all the stuff off /media/internal, all the stuff off /var resize, format, move stuff back? Oct 12 23:22:02 dBsooner, Pre comes with resize2fs, if that helps Oct 12 23:22:13 hmm Oct 12 23:22:18 what do you think rwhitby? Oct 12 23:22:31 dBsooner: anything is possible, it's all just 1's and 0's. Oct 12 23:22:38 lol Oct 12 23:22:41 no crap. ;) Oct 12 23:22:44 * zsoc imagines rod poking a hole in his desk each time he is pinged Oct 12 23:22:57 rod lives to be pinged Oct 12 23:23:44 if i honestly believed that, I think.... I think I'd be banned from this channel by now.. heh Oct 12 23:23:54 awesome! i've almost got my whole screen filled with notifications Oct 12 23:24:14 zsoc: i'm surprised i'm not ^_^ Oct 12 23:24:23 that's not a request btw Oct 12 23:25:39 ext3 cannot be resized hot, not without an unofficial patch Oct 12 23:26:13 that's the bottleneck. cuz even if LVs could be resized hot, they're not the matter, the FS is Oct 12 23:26:17 evening Oct 12 23:26:22 the /var isn't ext3 though is it? Oct 12 23:26:50 /dev/mapper/store-var on /var type ext3 (rw,noatime,data=ordered) Oct 12 23:26:53 looks like it to me Oct 12 23:26:55 dang Oct 12 23:27:10 I guess I'll just move it all off Oct 12 23:27:24 delete the /media/internal and /var partitions Oct 12 23:27:26 is there a way to install lsof? Oct 12 23:27:42 otherwise files might not give up their locks while you "move" Oct 12 23:27:55 freakout-work: cehck http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/208909-fair-dinkum-app-limit-remove-arbitrary-limit-app-installation.html first post ... Oct 12 23:27:56 oh yeah Oct 12 23:27:58 good point Oct 12 23:28:05 Oh, god, this conversation is starting to move into mutex territory. STAY AWAY! :P Oct 12 23:28:09 fair dinkum is your friend Oct 12 23:28:22 Mousey? Oct 12 23:28:26 rwhitby: nice! Oct 12 23:28:52 rwhitby: I still want my royalties. :p Oct 12 23:29:00 lol, that log is epic Oct 12 23:29:04 lsof is in optware Oct 12 23:29:08 ooo Oct 12 23:29:16 rwhitby: I think a 90/10 freakout/rwhitby split sounds fair, don't you? Oct 12 23:29:25 freakout-work: talk to my agent Oct 12 23:29:47 dBsooner: how do i get it?i swear i have optware install but i've never found ipkg-opt or whatever Oct 12 23:29:59 * freakout-work dials Harry M Miller Oct 12 23:29:59 ipkg-opt install lsof Oct 12 23:30:11 root@castle:/# ipkg-opt install lsof Oct 12 23:30:12 /bin/sh: ipkg-opt: not found Oct 12 23:30:16 doh! Oct 12 23:30:18 ;_; Oct 12 23:30:31 ls -l /var/opt/bin/ipkg Oct 12 23:31:06 or even: ls -l /var/opt/bin/ipkg-opt Oct 12 23:31:07 Mousey, you're missing something :P Oct 12 23:31:20 iknorite? Oct 12 23:31:37 no /var/opt/bin Oct 12 23:31:37 wtf Oct 12 23:31:39 * Mousey googles Oct 12 23:32:12 rwhitby, any reason yo udelete the old du/ipkg Oct 12 23:32:21 rwhitby: what program can I get on the pre to modify the lvm? Oct 12 23:32:22 why not just move them away so you can remove the package? Oct 12 23:32:31 spotter: he doesn't delete it Oct 12 23:32:51 the script I saw showed an rm Oct 12 23:32:53 . /usr/local/bin/ is not the location of the "preinstalled" du and ipkg Oct 12 23:32:55 spotter: I don't delete anything Oct 12 23:32:56 Wow that's like a new record. He joined the channel and asked a pinged rod question with in less than 5 seconds L:> Oct 12 23:32:59 hmm Oct 12 23:33:00 ok Oct 12 23:33:03 maybe read too quickly Oct 12 23:33:11 . /usr/bin/ is the location Oct 12 23:33:16 and he doesn't delete anything in that dir Oct 12 23:33:28 so /usr/local/bin is first in the path? Oct 12 23:33:36 plus HE doesn't delete anytyhing.. the install scripts Oct 12 23:33:41 spotter: it should be\ Oct 12 23:33:56 * zsoc imagines rod manually deleting things each time someone runs that script Oct 12 23:33:56 or at least before /usr/bin ;) Oct 12 23:34:26 dBsooner: the lvm bins should already be on there Oct 12 23:34:40 you're interested in lvreduce and lvextend Oct 12 23:34:55 lvscan will give you an idea of what they are now Oct 12 23:35:12 according to the vgscan, there's only one vg, so no need to mess with that Oct 12 23:35:19 can you do shrink and extend hot? Oct 12 23:35:26 dBsooner, when I say "you" I mean the package scripts one created Oct 12 23:35:31 lol :D Oct 12 23:35:49 btw, as a totally off topic thing Oct 12 23:35:56 anyone here ever work at a stealth mode startup? Oct 12 23:35:56 dBsooner: shrink no, cuz it means shrinking the FS first, which should a) always make you nervous, and b) needs to be unmounted and fsckd Oct 12 23:36:37 Mousey: so I should tar/gzip my /media/internal dirs copy the tarball off the drive.. them rm -rf * it Oct 12 23:36:38 was quasi offered a job today, but was told they really couldn't match what IBM offered me as thats on the high end of what they could consider. but was wondering what I should expect in equity Oct 12 23:36:47 then DELETE that partition from the lvm? Oct 12 23:36:53 ew Oct 12 23:36:56 lol Oct 12 23:37:58 there is "lvresize" :D Oct 12 23:37:58 well resize2fs will shrink the FS Oct 12 23:37:59 no Oct 12 23:37:59 lvextend and lvreduce Oct 12 23:37:59 but resize2fs doesn't work on ext3 Oct 12 23:38:13 so I would run resize2fs to shirnk the fat /media/internal by 2GB? Oct 12 23:38:14 The resize2fs program will resize ext2, ext3, or ext4 file systems. Oct 12 23:38:16 from the man page Oct 12 23:38:36 right, but /media/internal is FAT Oct 12 23:38:54 ooooh Oct 12 23:38:56 you need to nullify it Oct 12 23:38:59 as far as I know Oct 12 23:39:02 yah Oct 12 23:39:16 * dBsooner is about to just meta-doctor Oct 12 23:39:16 well in that case, when you finish resizing that FS, just reformat Oct 12 23:39:26 yes Oct 12 23:39:32 dBsooner: you DO realize you're playing with fire here tho right? Oct 12 23:39:33 but would rather not Oct 12 23:39:37 LOL Oct 12 23:39:47 so it's better to just meta-doctor? Oct 12 23:39:55 s/meta-doctor/nurse/ Oct 12 23:39:56 ^_^ Oct 12 23:40:02 * dBsooner slaps rwhitby for making me lose my stuff Oct 12 23:40:02 that one i don't know about Oct 12 23:40:06 no its.. DOCTOR Oct 12 23:40:08 ...why are you doing all this? Oct 12 23:40:11 it's intern Oct 12 23:40:23 Because I don't need 6.6GB for my /media/internal Oct 12 23:40:28 I want more room for apps Oct 12 23:40:33 180MB isn't enough Oct 12 23:40:33 ;) Oct 12 23:40:36 ........fair dinkum?? Oct 12 23:40:39 done Oct 12 23:40:40 NFS mounts Oct 12 23:40:40 and full Oct 12 23:40:42 doh Oct 12 23:40:43 work fine. Oct 12 23:40:44 lol Oct 12 23:40:49 lol nfs mounts Oct 12 23:40:52 INTERNET NFS! Oct 12 23:40:54 love it Oct 12 23:41:00 haha Oct 12 23:41:17 what's next, Pre SaMBa?? Oct 12 23:41:18 rwhitby: you back to 2GB /var partition now? Oct 12 23:41:23 Actually. Oct 12 23:41:25 use your phone as a DOMAIN CONTROLLER! Oct 12 23:41:32 ^_^ Oct 12 23:42:22 dns server Oct 12 23:42:36 yup yup Oct 12 23:42:57 What about a pre cluster? Oct 12 23:43:30 what exactly DO you call a beowulf cluster of Pre's? Oct 12 23:43:52 oh man, don't ask me Oct 12 23:44:04 We'd need a place with a proper network though. Oct 12 23:44:15 perma-wireless Oct 12 23:44:40 * Mousey tries not to imagine the cross chatter of wireless cluster nodes Oct 12 23:45:13 sprint would sh*t bricks Oct 12 23:45:20 anyoen have the link to webosdoc 1.2.1 handy? Oct 12 23:45:26 hhahahaha Oct 12 23:45:35 Sprint would sh*t silly putty... Oct 12 23:45:36 u borked it alread?Y Oct 12 23:45:40 n Oct 12 23:45:41 no Oct 12 23:45:44 I didn't even try it Oct 12 23:45:57 I need to make my 1.2.1 git repo for patch modifications Oct 12 23:46:55 you could take fencing really far on a pre Oct 12 23:53:45 fencing? Oct 12 23:53:54 i can't get mine to hold a sword really Oct 12 23:54:50 Mousey, no, fencing is the act of selling stolen goods Oct 12 23:56:31 oh, that fencing.. Oct 12 23:56:48 ...i still don't get it. maybe that's ok Oct 12 23:58:51 dBsooner: pong Oct 12 23:59:04 WOOOHOOO Oct 12 23:59:04 PuffTheMagic: got some time now? Oct 12 23:59:22 oil: i "might" be able to get some progress this week on the IRC services but most likely it wont happen untill after i get back from the HFES conference Oct 12 23:59:27 dBsooner: time for what? Oct 12 23:59:34 PuffTheMagic: kernel. Oct 13 00:00:08 dBsooner: go into make menuconfig and then drivers then platform specifc shit and then enable the compal driver Oct 13 00:00:13 dBsooner: or press / in menuconfig Oct 13 00:00:17 and search for compal Oct 13 00:00:21 and enable compal shit Oct 13 00:00:26 :( Oct 13 00:00:39 what about my sound not working.. those udev errors. Oct 13 00:00:48 dBsooner: i gave up on exherbo and went back to gentoo cause exherbo devs are bigger douch bags than me Oct 13 00:00:58 wow.. Oct 13 00:01:01 dBsooner: we can get sound after we get fans working Oct 13 00:01:03 That is very hard to believe. Oct 13 00:01:24 dBsooner: all the dick head devs from gentoo left and made their own distro that is only for other devs Oct 13 00:01:28 its pretty retarded Oct 13 00:01:34 esp since its a gentoo fork with new names Oct 13 00:01:40 for the most part Oct 13 00:01:55 i got bannedfrom their irc channel in <15 min Oct 13 00:02:07 that's impressive Oct 13 00:02:08 so anyway. im re-reinstalling linux Oct 13 00:03:10 k.. rebooting to linux Oct 13 00:13:56 there's a way to get novaterm on OSX, and i just haven't done enough googling, right? Oct 13 00:14:54 woohoo finally I can use the app catalog again Oct 13 00:15:31 Eguy, i thought you would have thrown the phone out by now Oct 13 00:15:51 I've been close, believe me Oct 13 00:17:16 Eguy, don't you dare Oct 13 00:17:24 rwhitby is a good man Oct 13 00:17:26 send it to me so I can salvage that sweet QWERTY kb ;) Oct 13 00:17:40 Eguy: you can ship it to me for free if you decide you don't want it anymore! =) Oct 13 00:17:55 Relax, I am not getting rid of it Oct 13 00:18:02 thus began the bidding war.... Oct 13 00:18:03 ...oh Oct 13 00:18:04 nm Oct 13 00:18:06 * freakout-work curses Eguy Oct 13 00:18:10 lol Oct 13 00:18:31 thanks to the new patch though I can use the catalog! Oct 13 00:18:52 it's not a patch. it's a cunning linux application. Oct 13 00:19:37 ah well, I stand corrected Oct 13 00:22:55 ^_^ Oct 13 00:23:27 Brilliant! This is fantastic Oct 13 00:23:42 homebrew had to be made to fix Palm's creation Oct 13 00:26:46 man, I would love if I could just tighten the screw for the top of this pre a little bit hah Oct 13 00:29:35 If it wasnt for the developing community for the Pre, I would've ditched the phone probably Oct 13 00:30:17 best post in the fair dinkum thread sofar? Oct 13 00:30:38 the people wanting him to fix the "not enough memory close cards" error Oct 13 00:31:17 lol Oct 13 00:31:21 Get more memory? Oct 13 00:31:33 lol yes Oct 13 00:31:44 oil: I was finally able to download your dot game Oct 13 00:31:59 so I can post a 1 star review lol Oct 13 00:32:26 ;( Oct 13 00:33:40 Hehe Oct 13 00:33:51 LOL south park from last week Oct 13 00:34:48 the billy mays one? Oct 13 00:34:50 lol Oct 13 00:34:51 We better get animated gifs for smilies soon. I have the best smilely ever... Oct 13 00:35:07 yeah oil Oct 13 00:35:27 I knew they weren't done with MJ yet Oct 13 00:36:00 chipotleway hahaha Oct 13 00:40:29 lol Oct 13 00:40:55 Is there currently any method on how to implement animated gifs into the Pre? Oct 13 00:41:29 I think it only supports png for system images Oct 13 00:41:44 but my AIM icon is animated and it moves.... Oct 13 00:42:05 animated gifs are so ugly, jeez Oct 13 00:42:24 I'd use them for smilies, what do you suggest then oil? Oct 13 00:42:39 worst image format ever Oct 13 00:43:07 nope, that is bmp Oct 13 00:43:38 what's wrong with bmp? it's easy to work with Oct 13 00:43:47 id rather use a bmp then a gif Oct 13 00:43:54 but, really, wouldn't us either Oct 13 00:43:57 * Eguy loves jpg Oct 13 00:44:38 Weird how Palm put animated gif in the supported formats and now its not supported Oct 13 00:44:40 Oh man I love cops Oct 13 00:44:49 trailer trash ftw! Oct 13 00:45:40 png ftw! Oct 13 00:46:31 Afternoon! Oct 13 00:46:43 and png > jpg Oct 13 00:51:57 oil > Kesne Oct 13 00:52:01 :P Oct 13 00:57:07 My app haz more dl's Oct 13 00:57:08 :P Oct 13 00:58:05 lol Oct 13 00:58:26 oil: Just messing with you though, honestly you own me Oct 13 00:58:30 due to lack of games Oct 13 00:58:53 kesne: don't back down! Oct 13 00:58:53 * freakout-work thinks oil could use a good humbling :p Oct 13 00:58:53 You're right! Oct 13 00:58:55 lol Oct 13 00:58:57 I have TWO apps in the catalog Oct 13 00:59:02 How many do you have? Oct 13 00:59:06 two of the same app? Oct 13 00:59:07 I have PAID apps Oct 13 00:59:09 xD Oct 13 00:59:09 Do you? Oct 13 00:59:17 its submitted Oct 13 00:59:18 kesne I stoled them Oct 13 00:59:21 Blocked? Oct 13 00:59:24 I *wrote* the App Catalog, bee-aches Oct 13 00:59:25 yeah Oct 13 00:59:29 paid? Oct 13 00:59:31 lol Oct 13 00:59:31 How much? Oct 13 00:59:31 (that's why it has so many security holes) Oct 13 00:59:32 yeah Oct 13 00:59:36 1.99 Oct 13 00:59:42 nice! Oct 13 00:59:43 lol 1.99 Oct 13 00:59:53 * kesne thinks oil will make more than me Oct 13 00:59:57 * freakout-work thinks Eguy is worth about $1.99 Oct 13 01:00:09 damn Tim is on a roll today! Oct 13 01:00:09 who knows Oct 13 01:00:17 Eguy smells Oct 13 01:00:19 * freakout-work thanks the crowd. "I'll be here all night!" Oct 13 01:00:20 figured id put it up for 1.99 Oct 13 01:00:22 Yeah Blocked will make a good amount Oct 13 01:00:25 then lower it to .99 later Oct 13 01:00:46 oil: jackass move :P Oct 13 01:00:53 LOL I love cops Oct 13 01:00:59 such trailer trash Oct 13 01:01:06 Eguy smell really bad Oct 13 01:01:20 * kesne sprays air-freshener, but is afraid it is futile Oct 13 01:01:24 Checkers sucks really bad Oct 13 01:01:32 The AI cheats Oct 13 01:01:44 kesne: that's my line! Oct 13 01:01:45 Way to misuse the word "cheat" Oct 13 01:01:48 * freakout-work demands royalties Oct 13 01:02:00 does it move its piece back and forth a bunch still? Oct 13 01:02:10 oil: yes Oct 13 01:02:11 :( Oct 13 01:02:14 freakout: sue Oct 13 01:02:18 I tried adding a counter Oct 13 01:02:29 * kesne gives freakout 0.95 Oct 13 01:02:55 ahahahah girl got arrested Oct 13 01:03:01 what a moron Oct 13 01:03:38 * kesne rename Eguy to Egal. Oct 13 01:04:04 She said "I'm on my period so my hormones are taking over, that's why I beat her" Oct 13 01:04:06 LOL Oct 13 01:04:15 that's an excuse for domestic violence huh Oct 13 01:04:33 Kesne: learn some grammar ;) Oct 13 01:04:50 the funniest cops i ever saw, was dude selling blunts on the corner Oct 13 01:04:53 getting chased by the cops Oct 13 01:05:06 runs right into the house where his friends are rolling up the blunts he's selling Oct 13 01:05:06 ... Oct 13 01:05:11 That is like every episode lol Oct 13 01:05:15 lol Oct 13 01:05:25 * freakout-work is reminded of an episode of Boston Legal where the Shat defended a chick who murdered her husband by claiming menopause made her do it Oct 13 01:05:33 I LOVE BOSTON LEEGAL Oct 13 01:05:43 it was the shiznit Oct 13 01:05:49 i was so freaking sad when it ended Oct 13 01:05:51 * Eguy laughs at freakout because he doesn't get american programming Oct 13 01:06:01 * Eguy is also sad I don't get BBC Oct 13 01:06:11 * freakout-work has torrents, Eguy Oct 13 01:06:16 Sweet, sweet torrents. Oct 13 01:06:23 * freakout-work wonders if we should be talking in the watercooler... Oct 13 01:06:29 if anyone is interested http://tlhsecurity.blogspot.com/2009/10/palm-pre-webos-version-11-floating.html Oct 13 01:06:30 what watercooler? Oct 13 01:08:55 How does that fellow find all these vulnerabilities? Oct 13 01:09:12 Oh your in here Mr. Harris Oct 13 01:09:12 magics Oct 13 01:09:46 root@castle: sudo crash Oct 13 01:09:49 :P Oct 13 01:09:58 hih Oct 13 01:09:59 i Oct 13 01:10:39 New donation campaign to buy greg_roll a Pre: http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=1971403 Oct 13 01:11:06 lol Oct 13 01:11:14 Retard of the day: http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/208996-wheres-video-pre.html Oct 13 01:11:15 20% there Oct 13 01:11:33 I hate decisions! Oct 13 01:13:05 Hello all, got me a good one here. I'm am fairly certain this is a brick of sorts. After working in QXDM and writing some information, my phone now says "Phone offline". This is not the biggest issue. My problem is that when I connect my USB cable, it will only charge and I can no longer connect via PuTTY over the python proxy. Oct 13 01:13:14 Greg really needs a pre Oct 13 01:13:17 So I shall leave it up to you all: I can't decide whether or not to resize my /var partition. I only use the /media/internal for pictures. I don't need to store anything else there. I do, however, want to be able to install more than 200MB worth of programs. :D What do you all think? Resize with meta-doctor (nurse) or just wait for Palm to fix it? Oct 13 01:13:45 billzer, most definitely not bricked Oct 13 01:13:58 zsoc: don't be so quick Oct 13 01:14:00 Isn't QXDM the qualcomm thing? Oct 13 01:14:26 rwhitby, lol sorry, it's a knee-jerk reaction. i have a trigger set for "brick" :P Oct 13 01:14:36 billzer: bummer. you're one of the guys going where the dragons lie. I doubt there is anyone here who can help - I presume you've already visited mobile-files.com ? Oct 13 01:14:53 rwhitby: first you, now greg_roll. maybe I should have just started my own donation fund? :p Oct 13 01:15:11 freakout: you are late to the party my friend. Oct 13 01:15:18 Isn't QXDM just monitoring software? Oct 13 01:15:31 brb Oct 13 01:15:32 I have no idea what it is Oct 13 01:15:35 freakout-work: get to writing some code, man. Oct 13 01:15:59 Well, it isn't exactly a brick I suppose. The phone works. I guess I meant brick as in it is stuck where it is at. I thought about posting at mobile files again, but I don't think there is anything on the phone that could fix the issue Oct 13 01:16:15 What info did you change in QXDM? Oct 13 01:16:59 well, not sure if it changed, but I attempted to write the SCM to be 0x3a Oct 13 01:17:27 billzer: see /msg please Oct 13 01:17:30 I suppose webos doctor may be able to fix it, but I'll check with mobile files Oct 13 01:17:46 I am not sure about that Oct 13 01:18:09 apologies rwhitby Oct 13 01:18:14 webOS Doc only fixes the FS/ROM correct me if I am wrong Oct 13 01:18:17 rwhitby: what, my suave charm and dazzling humour is not enough? :p Oct 13 01:18:25 LOL freakout Oct 13 01:18:32 good joke, you are killing it tonight Oct 13 01:18:32 rwhitby: how 'bout if I make a webOS equivalent of "I Am Rich"? Oct 13 01:18:34 freakout-work: I'm not the one you have to convince. Oct 13 01:19:07 Heh, too late anyway, my German Pre will be coming soon.... Oct 13 01:19:08 * zsoc wonders what's kept in 0x3a Oct 13 01:19:24 freakout-work: you've got it on order already? Oct 13 01:19:25 zsoc: NO!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oct 13 01:20:28 * zsoc stops wondering Oct 13 01:20:43 another life saved Oct 13 01:21:03 So you don't think WebOS doctor would fix it? I honestly can't imagine what I did exactly that would have disabled the USB Oct 13 01:21:38 the dr. only reflashes the FS. You can try it though Oct 13 01:21:44 It only takes about 30 minutes Oct 13 01:22:15 rwhitby: not yet, but PIC boss is lining up someone to buy it for me. I have the dosh. all they need to do is buy and send it :) Oct 13 01:25:47 billzer: the doctor can do no HARM..... Oct 13 01:26:31 well it does erase your data and you have to put it back in but no biggie Oct 13 01:26:39 Woo! Oct 13 01:26:51 I dont understand why people are afraid to doctor Oct 13 01:26:55 so, the WebOS doctor wouldn't find my pre....so I was really worried then Oct 13 01:26:59 The only thing I hate is that I lose my text messages Oct 13 01:27:04 * oil isn't afraid, just thinks its a pain in the ass Oct 13 01:27:11 * Eguy agrees Oct 13 01:27:24 i mean, if i had to, i would Oct 13 01:27:28 but im not going to do it by choice Oct 13 01:27:43 but then I realized that I couldn't access any of my USB devices. Computer issue! Oct 13 01:27:44 If we could find a method to save text messages, then I would cry Oct 13 01:28:02 I had to use the dr once Oct 13 01:28:12 I forgot what I did Oct 13 01:30:17 I've used it about 6 times Oct 13 01:31:33 Abyssul: rsync should be able to save the messaging db once Rod puts it in Preware... right linuxheads? Oct 13 01:31:39 Does anyone else tense up after running a patched build for the first time? Oct 13 01:31:59 zsoc: i tense up running *anything* for the first time Oct 13 01:32:16 are the preware feeds down? Oct 13 01:33:01 Any idea when that will be released Freakot? Oct 13 01:33:56 dunno Abyssul, someone smarter than me will need to package it ;) Oct 13 01:34:11 It's installable already via optware Oct 13 01:34:27 I couldnt ever get it to work lol Oct 13 01:34:30 It won't have a GUI, but so long as you know the right command you can just punch it into the terminal and bombs away Oct 13 01:34:38 * freakout-lunch goes to eat Oct 13 01:34:41 What command lol Oct 13 01:35:01 are the preware feeds down? my preware (0.9.3) is all greyed out Oct 13 01:35:21 the newest version is 0.9.4 Oct 13 01:35:46 yes i know, but i cant update my preware due to all the options being greyed out.. Oct 13 01:36:00 The feeds work for me Oct 13 01:36:16 You are gonna have to uninstall the package manager service and Preware with QI and reinstall the new versions Oct 13 01:36:32 is there anyway to update it without QI? Oct 13 01:36:53 no Oct 13 01:37:06 well, there is the standalone installer Oct 13 01:37:15 http://get.preware.org/ Oct 13 01:38:06 is there a benefit to using QI vs the standalone? Oct 13 01:38:18 idk Oct 13 01:38:32 they will both get the package manager and preware onto your pre Oct 13 01:38:36 how do i use the standalone? Oct 13 01:38:52 ive never used it Oct 13 01:39:06 i assume you put your pre in dev mode, hook it up usb, and run it Oct 13 01:40:42 what is the rsync package name? Oct 13 01:40:48 ill try it Oct 13 01:44:43 ? Oct 13 01:44:47 Abyssul: rsync Oct 13 01:45:54 rwhitby, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. I was able to reverse engineer the oe patch you guessed existed to fix my POSIX mutex issues Oct 13 01:46:01 So I have to do it manually as described on the website? The package isnt on preware Oct 13 01:46:01 Anyone have ANY idea why package manager REFUSES to run on my device? Oct 13 01:46:15 SoloTwo, ipkg? Oct 13 01:46:30 ? Oct 13 01:46:58 When you install the package manager, what error does it give? Oct 13 01:47:11 SoloTwo, ipkg is the only package manager on the pre, as far as i know... Oct 13 01:47:18 but, whadda i know :P Oct 13 01:47:24 Well I had this problem with the updated preware, when it first came out I updated preware first instead of pkg manager, once I read that was wrong I uninstalled both with webos quick install, rebooted, and then installed them correctly with quick install as instructed Oct 13 01:48:11 I've tried every possible combination of installing rebooting blah, this has been going since the big preware update. When I would try and run preware, it won't update, but now I get the error that package manager isn't running. Oct 13 01:48:17 Oh. The service. Wow I'm slow tonight. Oct 13 01:48:28 SoloTwo, try removing app patches you have and restarting before installing the service Oct 13 01:48:38 people with the same problem have had that work Oct 13 01:48:56 And now even if I go into tweaks on quick install it says package manager isn't running. Oct 13 01:49:24 ok I'll uninstall all of the tweaks from webos and see. Ugly pre here I come. :) Oct 13 01:49:28 the package manager quickinstall tries to install by deafult is an old version Oct 13 01:50:12 I would've just doctored it but that is becoming a pain and I would lose my beloved switcharoo app lol. Oct 13 01:50:20 ok I'll uninstall them and see what happens Oct 13 01:51:19 SoloTwo: run the following sh /var/usr/lib/ipkg/info/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice.postinst Oct 13 01:52:16 oil: you still have the 1.1 app store? Oct 13 01:52:29 yes Oct 13 01:52:41 i got the code from the 1.1 doctor and made an ipk of it Oct 13 01:52:46 Can you take a look at the download count for wordwhirl lite? Oct 13 01:52:49 ive got both runnin on the pre Oct 13 01:53:34 22365 Oct 13 01:53:51 hmm Oct 13 01:55:44 Is there a way to hide album art from the photos app? Oct 13 01:56:16 is there a way of uninstalling all patches installed with preware and later re-installing them like quilt used to do? Oct 13 01:56:30 Emergency Patch Oct 13 01:56:33 back Oct 13 01:56:52 except for the emergency patch. you still have to manually reinstall all the patches Oct 13 01:57:05 No way to automatically reinstall patches Oct 13 01:57:08 Gotta do it manually Oct 13 01:57:15 ...unless you use wuilt Oct 13 01:57:18 quilt* Oct 13 01:58:01 which is primative to Preware Oct 13 01:58:22 yes but it works unlike my preware ;) Oct 13 01:58:32 in reinstalled pkg manager and preware, fingers crossed that pkg manager will run Oct 13 01:58:43 at least it can reinstall patches automatically Oct 13 01:59:05 sweet mother of god its working Oct 13 01:59:18 enjoy Oct 13 01:59:20 oil, I love you, in a totally manly type of way Oct 13 01:59:20 * oil claps Oct 13 01:59:25 man love Oct 13 01:59:33 bromance Oct 13 01:59:37 lol Oct 13 01:59:45 lol Oct 13 01:59:54 lots of man love tonight Oct 13 02:00:00 must be heroes Oct 13 02:00:00 no homo Oct 13 02:00:40 Fair Dinkum App Limit App - ha! - Nice name Oct 13 02:00:51 It works miracles Oct 13 02:01:20 I really should be pushing these patches upstream. I think I'm one of "those" guys that just fixes crap and doesn't tell anyone, heh. Oct 13 02:01:32 like oil? Oct 13 02:01:38 oh wait... he breaks them Oct 13 02:01:39 ouch! Oct 13 02:01:41 :P Oct 13 02:01:49 ;( Oct 13 02:02:00 i never understood the winking frown Oct 13 02:02:04 looks like a clown-face Oct 13 02:02:11 its a tear Oct 13 02:02:18 OH Oct 13 02:02:18 have you ever tried to go to the bathroom really hard Oct 13 02:02:25 :.(.., Oct 13 02:02:25 oil, Orz Oct 13 02:02:49 your handle is oil, is it due to you getting the codes messy and slippery where it breaks Oct 13 02:03:07 I always wanted to slip on a banana peel in real-life Oct 13 02:03:24 woah there Oct 13 02:03:29 lol Oct 13 02:03:43 Eguy: its cause he is married to Popeye Oct 13 02:03:45 wtf.. Oct 13 02:03:53 I am just shaking my head. Oct 13 02:03:53 oh you meant slip and fall.. Oct 13 02:03:55 lol Oct 13 02:04:06 olive oil doesn't fit? Oct 13 02:04:10 i thought you wanted to "slip on" a banana peel Oct 13 02:04:19 ive gone by oil for so long Oct 13 02:04:20 that is what I thought Oct 13 02:04:20 tbird02, AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAAA Oct 13 02:04:27 i dont even remember where it came from Oct 13 02:04:28 tbird02 Oct 13 02:04:43 haha Oct 13 02:05:00 That's why I said woah there Oct 13 02:05:33 maybe its short for babyoil Oct 13 02:05:52 oiled up Oct 13 02:06:35 wow internals is steamy tonight...man love, banana peels and getting oiled up.. Oct 13 02:06:50 It's because of heroes Oct 13 02:07:15 LubricantOil: you should change your name to Lucax Oct 13 02:07:18 Lucas Oct 13 02:07:21 or Castrol Oct 13 02:07:26 lol Oct 13 02:07:27 lol Castrol Oct 13 02:07:31 hahaha Oct 13 02:07:41 Mobile 1 Oct 13 02:10:26 anyone know how to change the color of the clock on the lock screen? Oct 13 02:10:44 nope Oct 13 02:11:21 self plug new site is updated http://tlhsecurity.com/ Oct 13 02:13:15 sweet a preware installer exe Oct 13 02:13:20 that outta help the n00bs Oct 13 02:14:17 So the website focuses on WebOS vulerabilities? Oct 13 02:14:38 no that is just what i have published so far Oct 13 02:14:41 dont let tharris- within 50 miles of your pre Oct 13 02:14:45 lol Oct 13 02:14:52 or the app catalog =p Oct 13 02:15:12 and don't open any emails Oct 13 02:15:16 or open any links he tells you Oct 13 02:15:59 don't type in any of tharris' comments in terminal :P Oct 13 02:16:08 lol Oct 13 02:16:23 lol Oct 13 02:16:56 i will always warn u first..... if i like u =p Oct 13 02:17:21 lol Oct 13 02:18:00 don't let tharris- know your username, email address, phone number, and definitely not your MEID. Oct 13 02:18:08 libperl is a _mess_ Oct 13 02:18:29 or your SSN, credit card number, IP address, DOB, sex, thoughts Oct 13 02:18:31 ... Oct 13 02:18:33 :P Oct 13 02:18:53 lol @rwhitby Oct 13 02:18:53 and don't give him commit access to any repos Oct 13 02:18:59 awww Oct 13 02:19:27 unless they are really important ones for stuff that he depends on Oct 13 02:20:28 stupid freenote Oct 13 02:20:32 freenode Oct 13 02:22:13 who did that? Oct 13 02:22:14 :P Oct 13 02:24:34 Well i somewhat fixed my acpi issues. Oct 13 02:26:02 grats Oct 13 02:27:32 dBsooner, built a kernel? Oct 13 02:27:36 no Oct 13 02:27:50 acpi_osi=Linux Oct 13 02:27:59 it works as long as i don't resume from hibernate Oct 13 02:29:03 interesting Oct 13 02:29:23 dBsooner: dont hibernate Oct 13 02:29:28 hibernate is garbage on linux Oct 13 02:29:32 even with TuxOnIce Oct 13 02:29:33 I figured that out Oct 13 02:29:43 booting is faster than hibernate anyway Oct 13 02:29:44 I'll just shutdown. ;) Oct 13 02:29:51 suspend or power off Oct 13 02:30:02 wait, maybe it was suspend Oct 13 02:30:02 ones ec Oct 13 02:30:03 i never understood the point of hibernate Oct 13 02:30:16 yep, it was suspend Oct 13 02:30:29 when I resume from suspend the fan stays on full Oct 13 02:30:50 but that's okj Oct 13 02:30:58 Im happy with the way it is right now Oct 13 02:33:43 hibernate is good on windows for slow laptops IE all of them Oct 13 02:38:35 how do I slow down the center scroll? Oct 13 02:38:42 you know, the center button on the mouse scroller. Oct 13 02:39:23 dont move your mouse as much? Oct 13 02:39:59 lol Oct 13 02:40:07 how do you speed up the retarded calendar on the pre? Oct 13 02:40:22 Oh I know, use a treo Oct 13 02:40:34 or any other smartphone Oct 13 02:40:36 I tried my stock battery again today and was down to like 19% at the end of my work day. It was pretty easy to convince myself to go back to the 2600 battery. Oct 13 02:40:36 that's what I do. Treo 650. Oct 13 02:41:06 I was using a BB today with the calendar and I forgot was a real calendar was like Oct 13 02:41:09 although it's really nice to have a thin pPre Oct 13 02:41:10 no wait! woohoo@ Oct 13 02:41:13 !* Oct 13 02:41:25 hmm, I haven't noticed anything bad about the calendar Oct 13 02:41:34 but I have nothing to compare it to Oct 13 02:42:03 It's soooooooo slow. It polls the calendars OTA though for changes Oct 13 02:42:14 which makes it slow and kills battery Oct 13 02:42:36 evenin folken Oct 13 02:42:47 maybe they can make a daemon or something that does that Oct 13 02:42:47 evening Oct 13 02:42:54 a service I guess Oct 13 02:43:00 I give up on Rsync, it never goes right... Oct 13 02:43:06 really? Oct 13 02:43:11 just on the Pre or in general? Oct 13 02:44:41 rsync over ssh has always been a smooth experience for me Oct 13 02:44:44 Forget about the Pre, lets go HTC Hero with Google Oct 13 02:44:54 * thatdude hides from everyone in this room Oct 13 02:44:57 oo new AHS beta Oct 13 02:45:03 or the samsung [gayname] Oct 13 02:45:11 I trying to setup a SSH server and it wont cooperate Oct 13 02:45:37 * thatdude agrees with Eguy Oct 13 02:45:44 what the deuce Oct 13 02:45:49 webOS is too cool to give up my Pre Oct 13 02:45:58 AHS creator has certainly gone a bit ambitious for beta software Oct 13 02:46:23 yes Oct 13 02:46:27 pretty goo Oct 13 02:46:28 (of course, half of why it's cool is because of the people in this room) Oct 13 02:46:28 d Oct 13 02:48:15 Everyone have a good night, I am off to bed. Oct 13 02:48:24 see ya Oct 13 02:48:57 I seriously wish we would always have a 3 day weekend Oct 13 02:49:10 * Eguy wishes everyday was a weekend Oct 13 02:49:30 * Eguy worked 9 hour day today Oct 13 02:50:41 Btw who or who will be working on the Preware site layout? Oct 13 02:51:31 three day weekend, ha, iddnt even know today was a holiday until i asked why my mother wasnt at work Oct 13 02:51:58 AnOutsider: You just showed your age :P Oct 13 02:52:01 whoa, so it was preware that caused my app catalog hang! Oct 13 02:52:17 hahha yes Oct 13 02:52:37 one less thing tharris- has to learn about you.... Oct 13 02:53:21 i wish i had gotten school off today... Oct 13 02:53:34 school....lol Oct 13 02:53:44 lol Oct 13 02:53:46 * Abyssul bows Oct 13 02:53:59 * freakout-work misses school Oct 13 02:54:16 * Decimate is annoyed by school - the work is too easy..waste of time. Oct 13 02:54:18 If I knew what I know now back in school it would be amazing. Oct 13 02:54:24 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/209028-extract-full-sms-log-text-file-palmdatabase-db3-using-sql.html Oct 13 02:54:53 * Eguy was kicked out of school for having 'fun" with the female teacher Oct 13 02:55:12 Lies... nerds don't have "fun" Oct 13 02:55:14 agreed thatdude Oct 13 02:55:42 thatdude: did I? My mother doesn't live with me, she called to ask me about something and I asked Oct 13 02:55:43 * Decimate wish he had "fun" with a female teacher :/ Oct 13 02:56:01 but, I'm 25 if you're keeping track somewhere ;) Oct 13 02:56:16 Eguy: One, you would not get kicked. Two, wont be the only teacher Oct 13 02:56:19 ahhhh good ol' twenties Oct 13 02:56:36 Eguy: If you knew what you know now Oct 13 02:56:55 "Man arrested for having sex with entire female faculty" Oct 13 02:57:06 rflol Oct 13 02:57:20 Eguy: pics or.... Oct 13 02:57:43 message to everyone here: if you are using itunes, stop. the zune software is SO much better. Oct 13 02:57:44 That would just deserve applause Oct 13 02:58:10 no Decimation... If you are using iTunes, you need to get a brain that works. Oct 13 02:58:34 Zune works in Linux? Oct 13 02:58:57 i downloaded the zune software a day before i got my HD just to test it out, and i was already blown away, without a device to sync to. Oct 13 02:58:58 Eguy lol Oct 13 02:59:04 the drag and drop syncing is nice Oct 13 02:59:16 I still do not know why people use the Pre with iTunes. I mean you can simply just drag your music to the disk. Oct 13 02:59:29 Much faster than syncing with iTunes Oct 13 02:59:50 ehh Oct 13 02:59:55 that's not a "sync" tho **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Oct 13 02:59:56 2009