**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Oct 17 02:59:58 2009 Oct 17 03:01:37 Didn't someone here say that the webOS PIM databases were write-only access for devs? Oct 17 03:01:38 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXCw8gbn0KM Oct 17 03:01:52 seems to list upcoming events quite nicely... Oct 17 03:01:55 freakout: that's not what we said. Oct 17 03:02:16 rick_home: that's why I'm asking ;) Oct 17 03:02:27 freakout: WebOS PIM databases are extremenly limited read access to apps not named com.palm.xxx Oct 17 03:02:42 the API's are restricted. Oct 17 03:02:47 ah Oct 17 03:02:52 so, apps using them can not make it into the app catalog Oct 17 03:03:07 HOMEBREW apps have no such restriction. -- see AGENDA in the precentral feed. Oct 17 03:03:10 That YouTube link for ActiveCard shows it listing upcoming events Oct 17 03:03:18 And it made it into the App Catalog today Oct 17 03:05:26 I've developed a new patch (slide to hang up phone), and I've been trying to package it... Tried creating the ipk file manually, but that keeps failing. Getting error 22 on install. Then I tried to follow the instructions for GIT, but now I'm getting "fatal: $HOME not set" error message. Oct 17 03:05:48 any suggestions? Oct 17 03:08:36 samk1: what's the issue? Oct 17 03:08:47 sounds like it's not running as a user Oct 17 03:09:51 I don't understand... I'm using the command line on the pre, and I have an account on Gitorious... Oct 17 03:10:13 I'm just following the step by step instructions on the wiki since I have no clue how to use git Oct 17 03:10:29 what command did you run? Oct 17 03:10:33 that gave that error? Oct 17 03:10:57 git config --global user.name "samk" Oct 17 03:14:29 any idea if the '$HOME' is referring to a problem on my client, or on the git server? Oct 17 03:19:31 samk1: on the client Oct 17 03:19:45 samk1: how did you get to the command line on the Pre? Oct 17 03:20:23 thanks. I *think* I'm using novaterm. Oct 17 03:21:04 yeah, it's novaterm. should I switch to ssh? Oct 17 03:21:48 no, novaterm should be fine I think Oct 17 03:22:11 so you reboot the Pre, novaterm in, and what does "echo $HOME" say? Oct 17 03:22:51 It's blank now. I'll reboot... Oct 17 03:23:42 every time you reboot, someone sighs somewhere Oct 17 03:25:23 yeah, but that someone is no the person trying to determine a known stable state of a remote system being debugged ... Oct 17 03:25:41 rwhitby, very true :> Oct 17 03:26:13 k. It's still blank. Oct 17 03:26:45 Where can I set it? Oct 17 03:26:49 hmm - very weird Oct 17 03:27:06 samk1: have you modified any profile files manually anywhere? Oct 17 03:27:44 er, probably... I've edited lots of things. :P Oct 17 03:28:06 I don't think I would have deleted anything though. Oct 17 03:29:07 doesn't login usually set $HOME? Oct 17 03:29:08 btw, I have and use a root login, if that matters Oct 17 03:29:19 is it set in your /etc/passwd ? Oct 17 03:30:55 there's nothing explicitly setting $HOME in /etc/passwd Oct 17 03:31:10 can you paste your root line? Oct 17 03:31:14 and also your normal user Oct 17 03:31:18 there's no password normally Oct 17 03:33:42 root:$1$V..[long possibly encrypted string]:0:0:root:/home/root:/bin/sh Oct 17 03:33:42 samk:$1$[long possibly encrypted string].:1001:1001:Linux User,,,:/var/home/samk:/bin/sh Oct 17 03:38:35 missing a : Oct 17 03:38:37 it looks like Oct 17 03:38:45 it sees your HOME as GECOS Oct 17 03:38:53 look at man passwd on a desktop Oct 17 03:38:56 man -a passwd Oct 17 03:39:01 forget the section numbers Oct 17 03:39:18 where is it missing : Oct 17 03:39:35 after the username Oct 17 03:39:37 let me check Oct 17 03:39:54 root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash Oct 17 03:39:54 no Oct 17 03:40:22 no? Oct 17 03:40:25 ok, root is your gecos Oct 17 03:40:33 gecos? Oct 17 03:40:45 your username essentially Oct 17 03:40:52 your full name I mean Oct 17 03:41:15 something is wrong though Oct 17 03:41:18 can't tell what Oct 17 03:41:38 the hashes are the same length? Oct 17 03:41:44 do the rest of them end in .? Oct 17 03:42:13 your user works? Oct 17 03:42:35 change /bin/sh to /bin/false on the root line and try to login as root Oct 17 03:42:44 don't do this if you get locked out otherwise Oct 17 03:42:52 or novacom uses that field for shell Oct 17 03:43:03 the root hash doesn't end in . Oct 17 03:43:03 you can also change it to a different shell Oct 17 03:43:08 and the others? Oct 17 03:43:11 tmzt, friendly reminder, the return key is not puncuation ;) Oct 17 03:43:21 I don't have crypt passwords Oct 17 03:43:28 I don't use the samk user at all... i think one of the upgrades broke it Oct 17 03:47:42 changed /bin/sh to /bin/false on the root line. Can't login as root anymore... Oct 17 03:49:14 ok. fixed. Oct 17 03:49:47 and the samk login works fine Oct 17 03:49:49 so it has the correct field then Oct 17 03:50:04 what has the correct field? Oct 17 03:51:20 it has the correct field for shell or it would have failed Oct 17 03:51:59 it did fail when I changed it. I changed it back to fix it... Oct 17 03:52:28 ok, that's what I needed to know Oct 17 03:52:37 login as samk1 Oct 17 03:52:37 note to self: shell-init gets really, really angry if you run a script which rm -r's $PWD Oct 17 03:52:40 then type login Oct 17 03:52:41 root Oct 17 03:52:42 password Oct 17 03:53:07 another thought... the wiki said the rsa key had to go in /var/home/root/.ssh but I think the root directory is /home/root Oct 17 03:53:18 samk1: same thing Oct 17 03:53:44 rwhitby, oh. thx Oct 17 03:54:00 I wondered about that Oct 17 03:54:43 can't login after I'm in samk Oct 17 03:54:55 odd Oct 17 03:54:58 which login Oct 17 03:55:00 says I need suid to work properly Oct 17 03:55:11 ls -lh $(which login) Oct 17 03:55:17 right Oct 17 03:55:19 it should have it Oct 17 03:55:27 rwhitby: any idea what's going on here? Oct 17 03:55:52 haven't been following, sorry. Oct 17 03:56:09 maybe I'll try to set up a git client on my mac? Oct 17 03:56:14 why would /bin/login not be suid root? Oct 17 03:56:21 * oil is git noob, has no insights Oct 17 03:56:51 rwhitby: his login shell is not getting $HOME set but it's set correctly in /etc/passwd Oct 17 03:57:55 I just tried echo $HOME from samk, and it seems to work... '/var/home/samk' Oct 17 03:58:07 It just didn't work from root. Oct 17 03:58:33 * zsoc blinks Oct 17 03:58:39 I'm going to keep my mouth shut Oct 17 03:59:19 should i just try to use git from samk login? Oct 17 03:59:33 or sudo root? Oct 17 04:00:40 i'll have to set up samk for sudo... since i just use root, i never bothered Oct 17 04:01:33 k. I think I have some stuff to try for a bit. Thanks for your help! Oct 17 04:14:26 samk1: looks like $HOME is not defined for root in the emulator either Oct 17 04:14:42 samk1: just run "export HOME=/home/root" before running the script Oct 17 04:15:10 samk1: or run "su -" which for some reason sets HOME when novaterm doesn't Oct 17 04:15:55 Thanks. Now I get this: fatal: Unable to create '.git/index.lock': Permission denied Oct 17 04:16:55 maybe because I'm accessing the local git from two different logins? Oct 17 04:18:21 ok, no. Never mind. wrong window. Oct 17 04:23:01 samk1: after you login with novaterm you need to do 'su -' Oct 17 04:23:11 for some reason novaterm dont do something right Oct 17 04:23:16 ssh seems to work right though Oct 17 04:23:36 and i guess i missed rwhitby say that Oct 17 04:23:38 ;) Oct 17 04:24:53 PuffTheMagic, Thanks! That works. Oct 17 04:25:18 oh, I guess I missed rwhitby's last line too.. :P Oct 17 04:25:21 lol Oct 17 04:25:43 i think precomd works correctly though Oct 17 04:25:59 so when that gets an offcial release this will not be an issue Oct 17 04:26:03 PuffTheMagic: he was login in with novacom? Oct 17 04:26:11 no one told me Oct 17 04:26:20 i just assumed Oct 17 04:26:24 in that case su - will create a login shell and set $HOME Oct 17 04:26:25 the issue sounded familiar Oct 17 04:28:11 tmzt: rwhitby asked me at 11:19pm Oct 17 04:28:42 preware is getting slower and slower by the day Oct 17 04:28:45 were you using novacom then? Oct 17 04:29:18 yes. that's where I saw the problem. Then I logged in to samk via ssh. Oct 17 04:32:16 really long names in the wirc is going to look funny Oct 17 04:32:16 lol Oct 17 04:32:45 oil, can we update preware/package manager FROM preware, at the moment? Oct 17 04:32:49 yes? Oct 17 04:33:13 the question mark? :< Oct 17 04:33:29 hasn't it been that way for quite a while? Oct 17 04:33:38 I dunno, it broke the last time i tried. Oct 17 04:33:53 well do any updates to package manager first... Oct 17 04:42:04 http://i36.tinypic.com/4fyaf6.png Oct 17 04:42:06 votes? Oct 17 04:42:51 oil, 1 Oct 17 04:42:53 1 Oct 17 04:42:55 1 for sure Oct 17 04:43:08 PuffTheMagic? Oct 17 04:43:12 1 Oct 17 04:43:16 for sure Oct 17 04:44:49 oil: 2 Oct 17 04:45:01 but let ppl pick. Provide an option Oct 17 04:45:09 ohhh, i thought it was going to be a shutout Oct 17 04:45:17 provide an option? Oct 17 04:45:17 psh Oct 17 04:45:20 lol Oct 17 04:45:36 I like 2 'cause it makes it easier to keep track of a particular handle. Oct 17 04:45:50 1 is more efficient use of a small screen, but convos could get a bit messy Oct 17 04:45:57 ive got it randomly generating the handle colors Oct 17 04:46:06 but the nicks will all have the same color as long as its used Oct 17 04:46:18 1 Oct 17 04:46:22 lol Oct 17 04:46:26 2 wastes too much space Oct 17 04:46:32 * freakout feels lonely Oct 17 04:46:39 your nick is going to take like half the screen as it is Oct 17 04:46:40 lol Oct 17 04:46:53 i have an idea for that Oct 17 04:47:03 Option! Oct 17 04:47:06 do it like 2 Oct 17 04:47:08 but Oct 17 04:47:13 if nick == puffthemagic, nick = jerk? Oct 17 04:47:15 Also, oil: smaller font options too please Oct 17 04:47:16 xD Oct 17 04:47:21 make the separator adjustable Oct 17 04:47:22 lol Oct 17 04:47:26 ohhhhh Oct 17 04:47:36 and make the nick fade out Oct 17 04:47:41 ohhhhhhhh Oct 17 04:47:46 as it approaches the separator Oct 17 04:47:54 ohhhhhhhhhhh Oct 17 04:47:57 lol Oct 17 04:48:29 yeah but options are good Oct 17 04:48:34 smaller font too ;) Oct 17 04:48:47 * freakout high-fives PuffTheMagic Oct 17 04:48:50 like 4px Oct 17 04:48:52 it looks big cause its on your screen with its non-dense pixels Oct 17 04:48:52 would be good Oct 17 04:49:15 the font in that screenshot is already smaller then it is in palms messaging app Oct 17 04:49:24 i noticed (and it's appreciated_ Oct 17 04:49:29 thats ok Oct 17 04:49:35 lol Oct 17 04:49:35 can u do like 3.5 px? Oct 17 04:49:40 lol Oct 17 04:49:44 thats unreadable Oct 17 04:49:45 seriously Oct 17 04:49:47 :d Oct 17 04:49:54 PuffTheMagic has magic eyes Oct 17 04:50:01 but, there isn't even a service! Oct 17 04:50:01 add gesture support to zoom in Oct 17 04:50:04 ZOOOOOOOOOm Oct 17 04:50:11 zoom support? Oct 17 04:50:12 definately not Oct 17 04:50:40 i could see making the divider adjustable, but not from any sort of click-drag Oct 17 04:50:48 right in the chat window Oct 17 04:50:50 why not Oct 17 04:51:02 press and hold till a halo shows up Oct 17 04:51:03 each nick box and message box is its own element Oct 17 04:51:05 like moving the icons Oct 17 04:51:23 you could be adjusting the style for 1234234234 elements at once Oct 17 04:51:31 depending on the size of the backlog Oct 17 04:51:37 that would make your pre turn into a puddle Oct 17 04:51:53 well then make it better ;) Oct 17 04:52:01 * oil unlocks gpu Oct 17 04:52:05 LOL Oct 17 04:52:05 how is font rendering on the 2d canvas thing? Oct 17 04:52:17 im not using a canvas tag Oct 17 04:52:17 lol Oct 17 04:52:22 those are Oct 17 04:52:26 i realize that Oct 17 04:52:29 but im asking Oct 17 04:52:29 in a list widget Oct 17 04:52:33 have u tried fonts Oct 17 04:52:36 on the canvas? Oct 17 04:52:39 no Oct 17 04:52:54 i thought fixed-width Oct 17 04:52:59 but the fixed-width font on the pre is garbage Oct 17 04:53:21 as seen in the ipkgservice confirmation Oct 17 04:53:24 i had to bold it to make it readable Oct 17 04:53:33 anyways Oct 17 04:53:37 for now, ill have it as #1 Oct 17 04:53:41 and add all sorts of options later Oct 17 04:53:45 once it, you know, works Oct 17 04:55:39 like a font-size slider Oct 17 04:55:43 divider-width slider Oct 17 04:55:49 divider or no toggle Oct 17 04:56:00 and obviously a white on black style Oct 17 04:56:55 infobot, oil's IRC interface? Oct 17 04:56:55 i heard oil's irc interface is quite sexy. However, it would be even sexier - like, Carey Mulligan sexier - if it gave the user the option to set the font size at whatever the hell they like. Plus, give us an easily-adjusted seperator. Oct 17 04:57:29 you forgot to mention the lack of service Oct 17 04:57:32 I can see this app making a lot of people very happy. Oct 17 04:57:37 Carey Mulligan is _Very_ sexy Oct 17 04:58:26 zsoc: damn straight she is Oct 17 04:58:33 * oil gis's Oct 17 05:00:57 hey Oct 17 05:01:09 does anyone have pixel pipe wporking with their wordpress blog? Oct 17 05:01:56 infobot, zsoc? Oct 17 05:01:59 * zsoc pouts again Oct 17 05:02:42 freakout, also i enjoyed Northanger Abby... and I'M STILL A MAN Oct 17 05:05:00 lol Oct 17 05:05:02 Could not add a pipe for com.xmlrpc.metaweblog due to an internal error. Please try again later Oct 17 05:05:04 infobot, zsoc? Oct 17 05:05:05 zsoc is, like, an alright guy, who's working on some uber-cool multimedia stuff. Looks a bit funny, but you can't have everything, can you? Oct 17 05:07:21 Who gave Tim access to the bot? Oct 17 05:07:42 rwhitby: pushed 2 add files and 1 change file to build. Oct 17 05:07:53 rwhitby: pushed new tag v1.2.1-2 to modifs Oct 17 05:08:07 zsoc, ask the infobot about Tim Carroll sometime :p Oct 17 05:08:19 it has a bit of a crush on me I'm afraid. Oct 17 05:19:56 rwhitby: had a broken makefile, can you fire off the build again? Oct 17 05:31:55 wow, the new apps have been getting really, really bad reviews Oct 17 05:34:36 oil, do tell Oct 17 05:35:36 they're just really bad Oct 17 05:35:37 lol Oct 17 05:36:09 Golf Caddie? Oct 17 05:38:05 * oil opens catalog back up Oct 17 05:38:24 i dont think anyone has bought it Oct 17 05:38:25 0 reviews Oct 17 05:38:32 you have to buy an app to review Oct 17 05:38:49 at $9.99 he might be waiting awhile xD Oct 17 05:39:18 lets put it this way Oct 17 05:39:28 the only ones over 2.5/3 stars Oct 17 05:39:37 only have 1 review Oct 17 05:39:41 probably by the developer Oct 17 05:39:43 giving themselves 5 Oct 17 05:39:47 lol Oct 17 05:39:58 i know i gave myself a 5 on dotgame Oct 17 05:40:06 lol again Oct 17 05:40:12 lol Oct 17 05:40:17 i think i did a great job Oct 17 05:40:19 "Fantastic game. And the developer is a total stud." Oct 17 05:40:19 thats for sure Oct 17 05:40:23 lol Oct 17 05:40:25 anonymously Oct 17 05:40:28 ofcourse Oct 17 05:41:08 ProfJonathon annoys me on PreCentral a bit today Oct 17 05:41:14 aye? Oct 17 05:41:23 yeah. about Docs2Go for webOS Oct 17 05:41:30 i appreciate the relink Oct 17 05:41:33 but he says Oct 17 05:41:54 this latest report **suggests** that "coordination with Palm on a potentially-necessary ROM update for WebOS may hold up the whole shebang." Oct 17 05:42:06 and then "Even if it's true" Oct 17 05:42:23 well Oct 17 05:42:25 dude, it's true, and it's not a suggestion. DataViz's coder guy told me direct Oct 17 05:42:34 yeah Oct 17 05:42:41 they can't do services/plugins through the catalog Oct 17 05:42:46 so they HAVE to have it on the rom already Oct 17 05:42:49 exactly Oct 17 05:43:14 so it depends on when Palm are going to push out the necessary webOS update. May not even be till 1.3 Oct 17 05:43:20 right Oct 17 05:43:48 i dunno, i just don't like the implications of his language Oct 17 05:43:53 otherwise it's fine. Oct 17 05:44:29 lol Oct 17 05:44:32 tell him so! Oct 17 05:44:35 lol Oct 17 05:44:38 Anonymous comment? Oct 17 05:45:02 no, angry email Oct 17 05:45:12 ALL CAPS Oct 17 05:45:17 wtf is up with this scene scroller Oct 17 05:45:18 arggg Oct 17 05:46:18 infobot, Oil's scene scroller? Oct 17 05:46:19 it has been said that oil's scene scroller is actually out to get him, because it thinks he's been flirting with its girlfriend. Oct 17 05:46:27 i have ben Oct 17 05:46:29 been* Oct 17 05:46:35 man-whore Oct 17 05:46:50 she wanted it Oct 17 05:46:56 lol Oct 17 05:47:18 There was a girl at climbing on thurs night who was totally flirting with me in front of her boyfriend Oct 17 05:47:26 it made me very uncomfortable Oct 17 05:47:34 lol Oct 17 05:47:38 Because he has dreadlocks and piercings Oct 17 05:47:38 cause of your short ass shorts? Oct 17 05:47:45 lol Oct 17 05:47:58 no, i was actually wearing pants. cold night Oct 17 05:48:06 WHAT Oct 17 05:48:10 all i did was lend her my chalk bag Oct 17 05:48:21 with short shorts over the pants? Oct 17 05:48:31 haha. yes Oct 17 05:48:37 lol Oct 17 05:48:44 Don't forget the sweatbands... Oct 17 05:48:46 were they pants of the sweat variety? Oct 17 05:48:50 lol Oct 17 05:48:51 yep Oct 17 05:48:55 lol Oct 17 05:49:02 so apparently Oct 17 05:49:15 list items absolutely HATE it when you don't have palms styles in there Oct 17 05:49:20 but now the list looks like poo ;( Oct 17 05:49:51 * oil overrides their shitty styles with ones that are more better Oct 17 05:50:02 more betterer? Oct 17 05:50:06 yes Oct 17 05:50:25 hmm. Palm are so proud of their lists too Oct 17 05:50:30 well Oct 17 05:50:35 i dont want them all to be 50px high Oct 17 05:50:41 and i don't want those seperator lines Oct 17 05:50:44 and fair enough too! Oct 17 05:50:51 so now i have to go find it in their styles Oct 17 05:50:57 and specifically tell them to stop it Oct 17 05:50:57 so the app is displaying each msg as a list item? Oct 17 05:51:04 thats how it works Oct 17 05:53:02 * oil found it Oct 17 05:54:31 oil is this you? Oct 17 05:54:37 http://www.myspace.com/bvanbelle9009 Oct 17 05:54:47 lol Oct 17 05:54:48 no Oct 17 05:54:58 im 25 in 9 days Oct 17 05:55:03 and im in washington Oct 17 05:55:05 bwahaha. I googled "Brandon VanBelle" Oct 17 05:55:10 lol Oct 17 05:55:12 got nothing Oct 17 05:55:20 where's your Facebook man Oct 17 05:55:26 dont have one Oct 17 05:55:31 loser Oct 17 05:55:37 lol Oct 17 05:55:42 im anti-stalker Oct 17 05:55:48 If that was you on myspace i was going to have to bitch-slap you Oct 17 05:55:56 never had a myspace either Oct 17 05:55:57 lol Oct 17 05:56:59 who are you worried is going to stalk you? Oct 17 05:57:03 ppl like me? :p Oct 17 05:57:07 look at you looking me up Oct 17 05:57:08 i mean, wtf Oct 17 05:57:45 lol Oct 17 05:57:53 * freakout just wants to be closer to you Oct 17 05:58:10 and wear your skin Oct 17 05:58:12 which makes me want to be all that much further away Oct 17 05:58:37 story of my life xD Oct 17 05:58:46 get your short shorts away from me Oct 17 05:58:47 lol Oct 17 05:59:04 hahahaha Oct 17 05:59:25 i understand. you fear the feelings the short shorts stir up inside of you Oct 17 05:59:35 lol Oct 17 06:01:47 what is interesting is how many leeches this search has turned up Oct 17 06:01:56 ? Oct 17 06:02:22 i've mentioned your name in two PIC posts. they've been copy-and-pasted wholesale at a bunch of spam sites Oct 17 06:02:28 lol Oct 17 06:02:32 as have some Precentral ones Oct 17 06:03:32 well i put my name as vendor for my app in teh catalog Oct 17 06:04:31 lol. You're also a punk music fan, I see. Oct 17 06:04:35 +1, oil. Oct 17 06:04:39 am i? Oct 17 06:05:03 lol. unless it's a different "oil@punkdirect.net" Oct 17 06:05:07 lol Oct 17 06:05:23 that was like my second ever email address Oct 17 06:05:32 dude i knew owned that domain Oct 17 06:05:37 i was like 14 Oct 17 06:05:42 lol Oct 17 06:05:48 hahaha Oct 17 06:06:16 See? Avoiding Facebook doesn't help. Google has already enabled stalkers in far worse manner Oct 17 06:06:17 i think i still got that guy on my friends list here somewhere Oct 17 06:06:21 lol Oct 17 06:06:51 * oil goes to convenience store because... well... it's convenient Oct 17 06:07:30 get me a hot-dog Oct 17 06:24:24 * oil sticks freakouts hotdog in the teleporter... Oct 17 06:24:33 no wait!! Oct 17 06:24:39 There's a fly in it too! Oct 17 06:24:46 too late!! Oct 17 06:24:47 lol Oct 17 06:25:08 * freakout screams in terror at hideous hotdog-fly hybrid that emerges in his bedroom Oct 17 06:25:36 well huh Oct 17 06:25:42 looks like using a listwidget may be out ;( Oct 17 06:26:13 complications? Oct 17 06:26:43 its a pos thats what Oct 17 06:26:57 lol. that'll do it Oct 17 06:31:22 A google search on "mojo listwidget" returns plenty of similar opinions Oct 17 06:35:16 Every time I see this site, I feel bad they don't have more readers http://www.weboshelp.net/index.php Oct 17 06:35:23 it's a really nice design. Oct 17 06:37:09 i went there a few times before hte pre came out Oct 17 07:08:14 howdy guys Oct 17 07:09:18 when im in preware, and i search applications, or i install applications, my phone radio turns off Oct 17 07:09:25 and then it turns back on Oct 17 07:09:40 it does it when i move app icons from page to page as well Oct 17 07:09:45 any idea what causes that/ Oct 17 07:10:00 have you tried restarting? Oct 17 07:10:22 the phone, or just luna? Oct 17 07:10:27 the phone Oct 17 07:10:49 ill try that Oct 17 07:16:31 oil Oct 17 07:16:47 i love you. Oct 17 07:18:22 lol Oct 17 07:18:34 sounds like that java out of memory problem Oct 17 07:18:41 you should send your /var/log/messages to rwhitby Oct 17 07:18:53 how would i do that... Oct 17 07:19:07 you have internalz? Oct 17 07:19:12 how do you restart the phone Oct 17 07:19:14 i have terminal installed Oct 17 07:19:17 without pulling battery Oct 17 07:19:25 orange+sym+r Oct 17 07:19:29 i usually hold down the power button, or hit orage_sym_r Oct 17 07:19:37 in terminal Oct 17 07:19:48 cp /var/log/messages /media/internal Oct 17 07:19:56 copy it off in usb mode Oct 17 07:20:00 er Oct 17 07:20:02 how long does it take Oct 17 07:20:08 trailing slash after internal? Oct 17 07:20:12 don't you need a / at the end of internal Oct 17 07:20:22 yeah. trailing slash on target directories Oct 17 07:20:36 yeah Oct 17 07:20:41 cp /car/log/messages /media/internal/ Oct 17 07:20:44 entity: a while? Oct 17 07:21:26 Listening to palmcast *grins* over sagetv remote Oct 17 07:21:28 cannot stat, no such directory Oct 17 07:21:34 the logo is throbbing Oct 17 07:22:04 its loading... Oct 17 07:22:14 its back Oct 17 07:22:36 my phone likes rebooting Oct 17 07:22:40 oil it wont cp Oct 17 07:22:41 http://www.snapstream.com/Products/beyondtv/features9.asp the snapstream guys made a web remote couple years ago for their software, kinda nice Oct 17 07:22:43 any ideas? Oct 17 07:23:56 no :/ Oct 17 07:23:58 it should Oct 17 07:26:33 well, if you copied and pasted my command instead of his, I messed up. I started mine with /car instead of /var Oct 17 07:26:35 just a type Oct 17 07:26:37 typo Oct 17 07:26:54 i did yours Oct 17 07:26:57 his needed an extra / at the end, and mine had a wrong letter Oct 17 07:26:58 still didn't work Oct 17 07:27:01 lol Oct 17 07:27:13 cp /var/log/messages /media/internal/ Oct 17 07:27:18 * oil just ran it in the emu and it worked Oct 17 07:27:29 * oil tries it in term Oct 17 07:27:38 if it doesn't work, try cd /var/log Oct 17 07:27:41 and then ls Oct 17 07:27:47 hmm, got it Oct 17 07:28:11 yeah Oct 17 07:28:12 it worked for me Oct 17 07:28:59 so who should i send this to? Oct 17 07:29:06 rwhitby Oct 17 08:47:14 * freakout thinks afternoon naps are dangerous Oct 17 08:48:54 oh they are Oct 17 08:48:55 really Oct 17 09:02:28 yep Oct 17 09:02:37 you think "oh, it'll just be for half an hour" Oct 17 09:03:06 then it's 8pm all of a sudden and you realise you've missed the first two hours of the bbq you were supposed to go to Oct 17 09:03:26 and can't be bothered to catch the rest... Oct 17 10:04:14 OK, multiple patch version support is now in place on the feed side of things, ready for people to test by manually adjusting the feeds in Preware. Oct 17 10:07:20 * oil will fix up preware tomorrow Oct 17 10:07:56 oil: the feeds don't have the new metadata yet, there are just multiple feeds now Oct 17 10:08:11 rwhitby: there is only one word, and the word is "sweet"! Oct 17 10:08:23 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-patches/ Oct 17 10:08:49 cheers, firing up the emu now Oct 17 10:09:09 won't install anything, but i'll test manual feed Oct 17 10:09:46 erm Oct 17 10:10:16 * freakout forgot "New Feed" option is still non-functional Oct 17 10:10:17 Just about to push the first back-ported patch Oct 17 10:11:16 the mechanism I have defined in the build system can also be used for general packages that need multiple version support Oct 17 10:12:31 Is there a test Preware with "New Feed" support? Oct 17 10:12:42 nope Oct 17 10:13:14 heh. well i'll test later then Oct 17 10:13:37 just edit /var/etc/ipkg/webos-patches.conf Oct 17 10:13:52 ahhh Oct 17 10:16:18 * rwhitby is the first person in the world to install a webOS 1.1.3 patch Oct 17 10:16:24 lol Oct 17 10:16:31 you trailblazer you Oct 17 10:16:40 except for some of those 1.2.1's that still worked :/ Oct 17 10:17:36 what's the Putty command for copying files to/from the emu from your HDD? Oct 17 10:18:12 * freakout has not installed optware on the new emu yet and can't edit directly Oct 17 10:18:20 use Terminal Oct 17 10:18:28 lol Oct 17 10:19:37 mickey|zzZZzz, alphaone|gone: http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-patches/1.1.3/ Oct 17 10:20:47 erm. Oct 17 10:20:54 vi. Oct 17 10:20:54 oil: which ones worked? I can add them to VERSIONS and publish immediately. Oct 17 10:21:05 freakout: install Nano from Preware Oct 17 10:21:15 rwhitby: thanks Oct 17 10:21:20 or use vi through novaterm Oct 17 10:21:38 idk Oct 17 10:21:47 some people posted about it in the preware thread Oct 17 10:21:57 probably things that are app-specific Oct 17 10:22:01 i mean Oct 17 10:22:04 heh. 'cause trying to use vi in webOS isn't working very well ;) Oct 17 10:22:07 apps that weren't changed in the tew versions Oct 17 10:22:11 two* Oct 17 10:22:48 anyway, that's for our Patch Meister to determine anyway ... Oct 17 10:22:58 ~emulate rwhitby Oct 17 10:22:59 Well, my work here is done. Oct 17 10:23:24 lol Oct 17 10:24:22 ~emulate oil Oct 17 10:24:23 aww Oct 17 10:24:38 heh Oct 17 10:24:57 * rwhitby emulation has been in place for over 4 years now Oct 17 10:25:01 lolk Oct 17 10:25:15 infobot, Tim Carroll? Oct 17 10:25:16 hmm... tim carroll is an extraordinarily handsome writer for Palm Infocenter, the premiere Palm news site. He also has a lovely, masculine smell about him, with a hint of pine needles. He goes by the online alias "freakout". Oct 17 10:25:27 emulation not set up yet :p Oct 17 10:25:43 guess thats the kind of info you get when you set it yourself Oct 17 10:25:44 lol Oct 17 10:26:10 ~botsnack Oct 17 10:26:10 freakout: thanks Oct 17 10:26:11 they're called egotoids Oct 17 10:26:15 lol Oct 17 10:26:41 often found on egopedia Oct 17 10:26:57 * freakout was banned from editing wikipedia Oct 17 10:27:21 so, the listwidget is officially crap Oct 17 10:27:32 "He also has a lovely, masculine smell about him" - (citation required) Oct 17 10:27:35 not allowing me to make a row smaller then 30px Oct 17 10:27:47 well it does, it just doesn't work for crap if i do Oct 17 10:28:09 so all messages in wirc will just be html in a div Oct 17 10:28:14 with no widget lovelyness Oct 17 10:28:19 which may make it slower Oct 17 10:28:36 I thought you unlocked that GPU already? :p Oct 17 10:29:33 i did Oct 17 10:29:36 but it didn't help Oct 17 10:29:43 oh gawd Oct 17 10:29:49 * freakout predicts aunt minnie explosion Oct 17 10:29:53 that thread on preware was hilarious Oct 17 10:30:10 * oil just needs a service now to make the irc app EVEN BETTER Oct 17 10:30:16 :/ Oct 17 10:30:23 by EVEN BETTER you mean FUNCTIONAL, right? Oct 17 10:30:29 right Oct 17 10:34:48 lol Oct 17 10:34:58 oh dear. Oct 17 10:35:12 editing that conf file borked my preware Oct 17 10:35:17 musta buggered something up Oct 17 10:35:33 by pre you mean emulator, right? Oct 17 10:35:39 lol Oct 17 10:35:42 lol Oct 17 10:35:47 *borked my emuware Oct 17 10:36:06 just doctor* it Oct 17 10:36:10 lol Oct 17 10:36:13 * = delete the emu and reinstall the sdk Oct 17 10:36:19 I killed the Feeds scene Oct 17 10:36:19 lol Oct 17 10:36:26 ouch Oct 17 10:36:40 DoneLoading Error Oct 17 10:36:49 TypeError: Cannot call method 'replace' of undefined Oct 17 10:36:51 stop breakin crap Oct 17 10:36:58 there is no url? Oct 17 10:37:14 the replace in there is removing http:// Oct 17 10:37:26 all I did was replace webos-patches/all/ with webos-patches/1.1.3/ Oct 17 10:37:26 but its trying to replace it of undefined Oct 17 10:37:27 lol Oct 17 10:37:39 * oil is going to sleep xD Oct 17 10:37:46 typical Oct 17 10:37:47 its only 3:30am Oct 17 10:38:04 and i woke up at like 7am yesterday Oct 17 10:38:12 lol Oct 17 10:38:16 worked all day Oct 17 10:38:21 sweet dreams oil. don't turn up the punk music too loud :p Oct 17 10:38:23 and by worked, i mean, i had no boss, and didn't do much Oct 17 10:38:26 lol Oct 17 10:38:33 really, i don't have much punk on my computer Oct 17 10:38:41 you should, it's pretty awesome Oct 17 10:38:48 though, i haven't downloaded any music in like, years Oct 17 10:38:48 lol Oct 17 10:38:52 * freakout is more into 80's hair metal though Oct 17 10:38:54 i dont even remember the last thing i downloaded Oct 17 10:39:05 Yellowcard, Ocean Ave (two days ago) Oct 17 10:39:13 ive got like 100-and-some-gigs Oct 17 10:39:16 and i just random through it all Oct 17 10:39:19 horrible 128kbps copy. deleted afterward Oct 17 10:39:41 rarely do i actually pick something i want to listen to Oct 17 10:39:46 im just not pickey Oct 17 10:39:50 though, there is no country Oct 17 10:39:57 how 'bout western? Oct 17 10:40:00 and only good rap Oct 17 10:40:08 that's an oxymoron oil Oct 17 10:40:11 most of it is older Oct 17 10:40:12 lol Oct 17 10:40:17 jurassic 5? Oct 17 10:40:19 thats old rap Oct 17 10:40:21 is good Oct 17 10:40:26 not like todays rap Oct 17 10:40:35 anyways Oct 17 10:40:37 bed Oct 17 10:40:39 later Oct 17 10:40:41 night! Oct 17 12:41:40 there are 17 patches now available for GSM Pre 1.1.3 devices Oct 17 12:53:12 * freakout checks out the feed Oct 17 13:06:18 * rwhitby bbt Oct 17 13:06:24 night rod Oct 17 13:45:54 17 patches? Oct 17 13:52:28 soulofdeath: Yes, 17 patches. Oct 17 13:52:41 what are they? Oct 17 13:52:51 anything to do with bypassing the activation Oct 17 13:52:54 or something Oct 17 13:53:06 No, give me a sec for a link Oct 17 13:53:06 im getting my pre tonight or tomorrow morning Oct 17 13:53:12 tyt Oct 17 13:53:24 i want to try the metadoctor Oct 17 13:53:32 but im struglling Oct 17 13:53:43 with linux Oct 17 13:53:55 soulofdeath: http://bit.ly/fBr7V Oct 17 13:54:11 thanks Oct 17 13:54:32 Hi...did the EPR patch get pulled from the feeds? Oct 17 13:56:41 NiteTrek: It seems, just verified. Oct 17 13:57:34 I wonder if it would be possible to be able to load it onto the Pre, just like an app so you can run it at a later time? Oct 17 13:58:43 I don't need it at the moment but some people were posting in the forums about not being able to find it. Oct 17 14:36:59 egaudet: ping Oct 17 15:03:46 Omg I am unable to install Eclipse plugins for the Palm Mojo SDK Oct 17 15:03:57 This is just pissing me off. Oct 17 15:04:31 Not it requires aptana, oh wow. Oct 17 15:06:07 rwhitby: ping Oct 17 15:08:03 im getting a "Network error: Connection Refused" trying to connect to the emulator using putty (localhost:5522) Oct 17 15:08:18 this seems to work fine on another box i have Oct 17 15:08:24 any ideas? Oct 17 15:08:40 im getting a "Network error: Connection Refused" trying to connect to the emulator using putty (localhost:5522) Oct 17 15:08:40 [10:08] this seems to work fine on another box i have Oct 17 15:08:40 [10:08] any ideas? Oct 17 15:16:59 oil: ping Oct 17 15:17:58 Anyone wanna help me setup this git bash so I can create patches? I have the stock webos 1.2.1 files added to the git Oct 17 15:35:50 success! Oct 17 16:14:47 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwTygXS_uP4 Oct 17 16:14:50 oops not here Oct 17 16:22:05 PuffTheMagic, pong Oct 17 16:22:18 how u feeling Oct 17 16:22:52 not 100% but much better Oct 17 16:24:28 feel like coding? Oct 17 16:24:37 :D Oct 17 16:25:33 sure thing, what ya got, where ya at Oct 17 16:26:21 let me push it Oct 17 16:31:31 egaudet: http://git.preyourmind.org/?p=service/netmgrsrv.git;a=summary Oct 17 16:31:37 so its a network manager service Oct 17 16:31:42 so far... Oct 17 16:31:53 i added a ip_forward_set and ip_forward_get function Oct 17 16:32:03 if you set ip_forward_set = true Oct 17 16:32:21 i use inotify to monitor /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward for mofifications Oct 17 16:32:27 and set it to 1 if it gets set to 0 Oct 17 16:32:39 since proc supports no form of locking Oct 17 16:32:52 once the manager gets andanced enough Oct 17 16:33:00 we can probably turn off the palm network thing Oct 17 16:33:32 egaudet: but we will need ways to extract interface information Oct 17 16:33:57 the link is giving me error pointing to   Oct 17 16:34:09 hmm Oct 17 16:34:15 worked fo me Oct 17 16:34:35 egaudet: just go to git.preyourmind.org Oct 17 16:34:44 i did Oct 17 16:35:00 when i click that project firefox shows all red Oct 17 16:35:01
 
Oct 17 16:35:05 -------------------^ Oct 17 16:36:04 idk its working here ;) Oct 17 16:36:14 egaudet: ssh://pym@preyourmind.org/service/netmgrsrv.git Oct 17 16:36:17 just clone it ;) Oct 17 16:36:34 egaudet: i dont want to make wrappers around ifconfig or ip Oct 17 16:36:40 direct sys calls to get the info Oct 17 16:36:52 but i think we should use ip/iproute2 as our reference Oct 17 16:36:54 not ifconfig Oct 17 16:37:14 we need a way to manipulate and vie iptables stuff Oct 17 16:37:21 we need a way to view and edit routes Oct 17 16:38:45 Yes! I finally made a working patch Oct 17 16:38:51 Ok, here's question: what video codecs does the Pre support? Anyone trying to add more? Oct 17 16:38:55 Ah. Just found them. WTF. No XviD? Oct 17 16:39:13 Animated .gif is suppose to be supported, but palm dropped the ball on that one Oct 17 16:40:15 egaudet: you familiar with ppp stuff? Oct 17 16:40:21 is anyone familar with ppp? Oct 17 16:54:58 egaudet: you get that code, have any questions, any idea where you might want to start Oct 17 16:55:32 got the code, looking over it real quick Oct 17 17:00:07 there isnt much Oct 17 17:00:15 so it should be able to get a handle on i think Oct 17 17:00:38 you should also look at /etc/pmnetconfig/funcs Oct 17 17:00:41 on the pre Oct 17 17:00:50 and download my-tether 1.5 Oct 17 17:00:56 and look at the service Oct 17 17:03:07 k hold on, helping a friend who's having ubuntu upgrade issues :( Oct 17 17:11:45 How do i supress updates? Oct 17 17:18:40 rwhitby: Add that path instead of /all? Oct 17 17:22:49 alphaone: so my issues with ip_forward and nat the other day was all because of multiple routes on the pre Oct 17 17:23:05 too many default gateways Oct 17 17:23:17 PuffTheMagic: Ah, I see Oct 17 17:35:08 Does anyone know how to add .patch files to a theme xml so I can apply them when a user installs the theme? Oct 17 17:39:03 Come on guys.. :p Oct 17 17:39:20 I think Jason would be the one to ask on that Oct 17 17:39:28 Hes not on Oct 17 17:39:32 I've left him a message or two asking the same (where to include patches in the XML) Oct 17 17:41:09 I guess it's possible that's not even included yet since I did see a tweet that he was updating theme builder this weekend Oct 17 17:41:44 Hes working on it Oct 17 17:42:29 yeah, so it's possible there's no spec yet on how to include patches in the XML Oct 17 17:42:30 I finally got all my .css files converted into patches too. :( Oct 17 17:42:38 heh Oct 17 17:45:00 noooooooooooo Oct 17 17:48:58 haha Oct 17 18:01:24 ifco Oct 17 18:01:28 oops Oct 17 18:59:52 do you guys have a solution for the hidden conversaions problem? Oct 17 19:00:11 I see posts about it ... for just a couple of my contacts, the conversaions don't show up in the listing, but if I go to txt them or msg them, I can see the old history Oct 17 19:00:24 particularly irritating cuz I have to delete their msgs one by one instead of as a group... Oct 17 19:02:33 hidden conversations? Oct 17 19:02:52 yeah, ... the conversation is there, it's just not linked from the conversation scene Oct 17 19:03:02 I can get to it by clicking on my "buddy" but not via the conversations scene Oct 17 19:03:05 irritating Oct 17 19:07:08 egaudet: :( u left Oct 17 19:07:29 everyone needs something from me today Oct 17 19:07:33 lol Oct 17 19:08:18 I'm now in the middle of finding out how to extract the key from a 360 liteon dvd drive Oct 17 19:09:37 haha Oct 17 19:10:12 jettero_: in the default webos or something that was patched? Oct 17 19:12:19 so I guess I need some hardware mod to be able to read the key off this dvd drive. I hate this! I should be able to easily replace my damn drive if it goes bad! sorry, enough offtopic Oct 17 19:18:07 default Oct 17 19:18:09 it's clearly a bug... Oct 17 19:18:44 I tried rebooting and deleteing all the entries in the conversation, removing the related im account, etc... Oct 17 19:18:55 nothing makes his sms show up in the conversations (nor im either) Oct 17 19:19:00 just that one contact Oct 17 19:19:42 I'll go digging in the palm database at some point. I'm sure it's an orphan foreignkey situation Oct 17 19:40:24 is wIRC almost done? Oct 17 19:44:54 lol Oct 17 19:44:54 no Oct 17 19:45:00 i said maybe by end of month Oct 17 19:45:04 well Oct 17 19:45:09 the gui part is almost working Oct 17 19:45:14 for a very basic stuff Oct 17 19:45:20 i have yet to do the service part Oct 17 19:46:14 ahh, an irc client??? Oct 17 19:46:44 how do you handle the lowlevel connection stuff? do you have a server service running? Oct 17 19:46:58 yeah that is the part that I haent written yet Oct 17 19:47:02 just lots of brainstorming Oct 17 19:47:04 aha Oct 17 19:47:09 understanding the lib Oct 17 19:47:13 planning Oct 17 19:47:18 what about the existing messaging service Oct 17 19:47:25 they have libpurple installed Oct 17 19:47:29 its useless for a robust IRC client Oct 17 19:47:31 thich also knows irc afaik Oct 17 19:47:46 i probably "could" use libpurple Oct 17 19:47:52 but i dont think irc support is built in Oct 17 19:48:02 nor woudl I be able to use the messaging app Oct 17 19:48:06 s/app/service/ Oct 17 19:48:06 PuffTheMagic meant: nor woudl I be able to use the messaging service Oct 17 19:49:02 you think they didn't compile the stuff in the lib that they didn't implement in the app yet? Oct 17 19:49:32 yes... part of the reason why we needed to rebuild libpurple stuff to get other IM protocols Oct 17 19:50:04 ahh, someone allready looked into this. I'm very happy now :) Oct 17 19:51:12 so it is theoretically possible to make the official messaging app use msn and stuff if we recompile the binary and patch the app and service Oct 17 19:51:16 ? Oct 17 19:51:27 yeah thats been done already by greg_roll Oct 17 19:52:46 there should be posts on precentral and the wiki to get msn support and the extras he enabled Oct 17 19:53:46 oh, it's working allready, NIIICE Oct 17 19:55:02 why do you think that palm left out msn? Oct 17 19:55:07 licensing stuff? Oct 17 19:55:26 mfc Oct 17 19:55:28 nfc Oct 17 19:55:35 i mean they left out stuff all over the place Oct 17 19:55:49 yeah Oct 17 19:55:51 seemingly brainless decisions for what ever reason we will never know Oct 17 19:56:14 I hope they will enable those in official releases Oct 17 20:06:53 anyone around to help with something? Oct 17 20:08:08 morning Oct 17 20:08:30 * rwhitby realises his versioning of the patches feed has left out stuff that is not versioned 1.1.3 or 1.2.1 Oct 17 20:08:37 I had been logging in via Putty just fine, but the Pre forced me to do the 1.2.1 update again and now I can't get logged in (password bad?). But I do have the terminal app installed on the device, so I ought to be able to change my password on the device itself if someone can explain to me how. Oct 17 20:08:46 egaudet: ping Oct 17 20:09:10 pong Oct 17 20:09:19 egaudet: yep, I stuffed up. Oct 17 20:10:04 what happened Oct 17 20:10:24 I only put packages with version 1.2.1-* in the all feed Packages file Oct 17 20:10:29 haven't checked out the changes yet Oct 17 20:10:31 Fixing now Oct 17 20:10:49 this is the cause of people not finding the EPR package in the last 8 hours Oct 17 20:10:50 has anyone got any advice for my situation? Oct 17 20:10:58 ahhh ok Oct 17 20:10:58 one second Pupator Oct 17 20:11:04 (thanks!) Oct 17 20:11:37 what I did in a situation like that was just redo the script on this page http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Next_steps Oct 17 20:11:43 if anyone has the URLs of the threads on PreCentral where people are saying they can't find the EPR, please /msg me so I can apologise in those threads. Oct 17 20:12:20 rawdr - I tried that a few minutes ago from the Pre itself but it said "can't open optware-bootstrap.sh" though it appeared wget was successful Oct 17 20:12:35 is the filesystem in read/write mode? Oct 17 20:12:50 ah - likely not Oct 17 20:12:53 brb Oct 17 20:13:14 although the script itself should do that... Oct 17 20:13:30 tmp is always writeable I think Oct 17 20:14:54 after it downloads, just do an 'ls' and see if you can see the script Oct 17 20:15:14 maybe you didn't do 'cd /tmp' first? Oct 17 20:15:17 egaudet: EPR should be back in 'all' feed now. Oct 17 20:15:23 rwhitby: tisk tisk Oct 17 20:15:56 I was in temp Oct 17 20:16:04 egaudet: I do think we need to move EPR and the pdf extractor out to the webos-internals feed. Oct 17 20:16:09 and making the fs writable didn't fix it. Oct 17 20:16:21 but since EPR is back, let me see if that'll fix what I was trying to fix anyway. Oct 17 20:16:49 odd that I'd suddenly not be able to login though Oct 17 20:16:57 fine with me, I'm also thinking about making EPR something that is depended on by patches and does it's stuff on removal, which seems like the right way to serve its purpose Oct 17 20:17:18 the pdf extractor should be fine anywhere now that dependencies with postinst work Oct 17 20:17:19 it could have actually removed your username as well. SSH will accept any username even if it doesn't exist, and then fails after the PW Oct 17 20:17:41 it doesn't specify which failed Oct 17 20:17:46 true Oct 17 20:18:02 is it possible to log in directly as root? Is the password known? Oct 17 20:18:18 don't think you can Oct 17 20:18:33 Pupator: sure, but not from novacom Oct 17 20:18:40 Pupator: we did this yesterday Oct 17 20:18:55 I thought novacom put you in as root Oct 17 20:19:04 I may be webdr'ing and starting from scratch soon anyway. I'm having some oddities that I'm annoyed with. Oct 17 20:19:09 not with $HOME etc. set Oct 17 20:19:09 egaudet: and it might be good to move EPR right now, since people will be looking around in other places for it today :-) Oct 17 20:19:25 Although last time I did webdr I ended up with a bricked phone that had to be replaced. Oct 17 20:19:26 egaudet: I'll do that now, before I announce it's back. Oct 17 20:21:03 oil: !!!!!!!!!! Oct 17 20:21:40 egaudet: you need to quit patches Oct 17 20:21:54 haha Oct 17 20:21:57 I haven't touched patches for a week! Oct 17 20:21:59 your skillz could be better used elsewhere Oct 17 20:22:02 I just talk about them now Oct 17 20:22:30 less patch talk, more C Oct 17 20:22:32 :D Oct 17 20:22:39 I agree :P Oct 17 20:23:14 I've dramatically reduced my precentral forum time as well ;) Oct 17 20:23:29 I'm just caught up in this idiotic stupid 360 drive key extraction process Oct 17 20:23:33 egaudet: so Type: Linux Application, Category: Utilities, Feed: WebOS Internals for both? Oct 17 20:23:42 rwhitby, yea sounds good to me Oct 17 20:24:02 they aren't really linux applications but i don't know what other type they could be Oct 17 20:24:31 for what? Oct 17 20:24:39 what for what? Oct 17 20:24:56 what you were just ralking about Oct 17 20:25:00 what is this Type for? Oct 17 20:25:07 epr? Oct 17 20:25:35 egaudet: they are linux scripts with no mojo front-end. Oct 17 20:26:00 so call them that Oct 17 20:26:07 s/Application/Script/ Oct 17 20:26:57 yea I'm not too worried about the type myself. I think Linux App/Utilities will be fine, people don't know what script means Oct 17 20:27:22 egaudet: they dont know what most things mean... they will just find it and use it Oct 17 20:27:35 rawdr: got it Oct 17 20:27:39 you coudl set Type: Palm Pre Destroyers Oct 17 20:27:42 and they would install them Oct 17 20:27:55 ooh battleship apps Oct 17 20:27:56 :D Oct 17 20:28:14 lol Oct 17 20:29:33 so im surprised My-Tether even works Oct 17 20:29:54 on my pre there is a default gateway for every interface Oct 17 20:30:14 so that means the pre will try to go online via every interface in the inverse order of the metrics for each gw Oct 17 20:30:28 but for tethering you want to use the pre's internet via ppp Oct 17 20:30:30 "Trying for new Theme Builder version this weekend, for those wondering " -Jason, about time lol Oct 17 20:30:46 and i see NOTHING in my-thether for disabling the default gw on usb0 Oct 17 20:30:56 Abyssul: you really should take that attitude Oct 17 20:31:14 Abyssul: and change it, cause people doing stuff for free don't have timeline requirements Oct 17 20:31:37 I know rwhitby, im just anxious :p I respect Jason a lot Oct 17 20:35:32 have we figured out yet what causes the 30-second lockup when trying to install a new app from the app store? Oct 17 20:36:25 i think rwhitby did a writeup a couple days ago Oct 17 20:36:43 * Pupator goes to check Oct 17 20:36:48 Pupator: Install the Fair Dinkum app Oct 17 20:37:04 Pupator: blog post: http://www.rwhitby.net/blog/webos-internals/palm-pre-app-install-limits.html Oct 17 20:37:15 thanks Oct 17 20:39:35 ah - I'd avoided "Fair Dinkum App Limit" because I hadn't bumped up against the limit yet. Nice to know it'll solve the delay too Oct 17 20:42:18 hmm - except that I do not find the app in preware Oct 17 20:42:56 Hmm... time to create a patch that disables the "Emergency Call" button and one that limits it. Oct 17 20:44:02 lol no one can ever find the app in preware Oct 17 20:44:18 I'm updating feeds now to see if that's the problem Oct 17 20:46:19 nope Oct 17 20:46:25 Pupator: start typing in the list of everything Oct 17 20:46:44 nothing appears when I type "fair" Oct 17 20:47:01 if I put them in alphabetical order it's not there either Oct 17 20:47:12 Pupator: then your package manager service installation is broken Oct 17 20:47:56 Pupator: look in the feeds management screen (top right button in Preferences screen) and if webos-internals has 'feed' instead of a URL like the others, then you need to delete and reinstall the Package Manager Service properly. Oct 17 20:48:36 it has 2 urls Oct 17 20:49:00 ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/all Oct 17 20:49:10 Pupator: did you manually update your feeds, not just reload them? Oct 17 20:49:29 i.e. do you see the "Updating" message come up for some time? Oct 17 20:49:34 yes Oct 17 20:49:45 and it was previously set to update the feeds every time I opened preware anyway Oct 17 20:49:55 so they had just been updated. (and you can watch the progress bar list the feeds) Oct 17 20:51:16 the progress bar is the loading from the local files, not the updating from the internet. the updating has to happen first. Oct 17 20:51:21 If I go to "Available applications" and choose "feeds" then "webos internals" I have 4 apps available Oct 17 20:51:46 luna manager, accelerometer service, tip calc, and dali clock Oct 17 20:51:55 Pupator: go to Preferences, select Show All Package Types, go to Available Packages, Select Type Linux Application Oct 17 20:52:23 PuffTheMagic: you rang? Oct 17 20:52:29 there she is. Oct 17 20:52:35 oil: yeah i did Oct 17 20:52:47 thanks rwhitby Oct 17 20:52:53 I wonder why it didn't show up anywhere else Oct 17 20:53:02 oil: see just above - Fair Dinkum is in the Linux Application Type, but is not shown in List Of Everything for Pupator if he has show all package types set to No Oct 17 20:53:20 it should always show in the list of everything Oct 17 20:53:25 oil: I thought List of Everything showed all packages, regardless of Preference settings? Oct 17 20:53:30 yeah, that's what I thought. Oct 17 20:53:57 hi folks. trying to install optware on my uk pre. Should it be working at the mo - or do the instructions not work for 1.x at the mo? Oct 17 20:54:36 ConfusedVorlon_: what's not working? Oct 17 20:54:46 ERROR: Failed to update the local Optware package database Oct 17 20:54:54 ERROR: Failed to download ipkg-opt_0.99.163-10_arm.ipk Oct 17 20:54:54 rwhitby: i can't get it to NOT show :/ Oct 17 20:55:18 oil: neither can I Oct 17 20:55:35 ConfusedVorlon_: can you ping ipkg.nslu2-linux.org from the Pre? Oct 17 20:55:59 y Oct 17 20:56:10 Pupator: does it appear in list of everything now? Oct 17 20:56:34 ConfusedVorlon_: can you pastebin the log file in /tmp ? Oct 17 20:56:46 now that it's installed I wouldn't expect it to Oct 17 20:56:53 http://pastebin.com/m5fe1ff6d Oct 17 20:57:07 Pupator: why would you not expect it to? List of Everything is a list of everything Oct 17 20:57:29 the list of everything is EVERYTHING Oct 17 20:57:38 ah Oct 17 20:57:41 no options affect it Oct 17 20:57:42 Yes, it does now Oct 17 20:57:46 its always everything Oct 17 20:58:10 Pupator: ok, please recreate the case where it was not there by uninstalling the package and putting your preferences back the way they were Oct 17 20:58:18 ok Oct 17 20:58:35 and then tell us exactly what your settings are and how you are looking for it when you cannot find it. Oct 17 20:59:07 only 1 thing changed to make it appear last time and that was the toggle setting for "Show all package types" Oct 17 21:01:37 I can't re-create the problem. Oct 17 21:01:43 :/ Oct 17 21:01:55 even uninstalling the patch, changing the toggle back, and restarting preware Oct 17 21:02:03 now it appears in the list every time Oct 17 21:03:54 rwhitby: ping Oct 17 21:04:01 dBsooner: syn|ack Oct 17 21:04:10 thanks.. I see you changed VERSIONS again.. Oct 17 21:04:17 back to the way it was before, but plural now Oct 17 21:04:28 WebOSVER-IPKG_ver Oct 17 21:04:32 dBsooner: only plural on those packages that support multiple versions Oct 17 21:04:38 Cool Oct 17 21:04:41 like your phone one Oct 17 21:04:50 the one you backported last night I mean. Oct 17 21:04:57 so that stuffs in the metadata now? Oct 17 21:04:58 like the 17 that are released for 1.1.3 Oct 17 21:05:16 So singular for single release Oct 17 21:05:23 VERSION = 1.2.1-0 Oct 17 21:05:30 and plural for multiple? Oct 17 21:05:41 oil: here's the thing, each patch ipkg only supports a single webOS version, the one which matches it's package version Oct 17 21:05:47 dBsooner: yes Oct 17 21:05:52 rwhitby: thanks Oct 17 21:06:25 why only a single if some work for both, wouldn't you just add 113 to webos version? Oct 17 21:06:48 oil: but what would the package version be in the 1.1.3 feed? Oct 17 21:06:52 Battery Icon As Percent patch shows up in 'Unknown' instead of 'Patches'. Is this a bug or a lack of info passed from the feed or package description? Oct 17 21:07:02 and how would I then split the different packages into different feeds ... Oct 17 21:07:07 so its like that because of the multiple feeds Oct 17 21:07:44 zsoc unknown in insatlled? Oct 17 21:07:47 oil: yeah, and also to avoid confusion - "does this 1.2.1 versioned patch work on my 1.1.3 Pre?" Oct 17 21:08:22 How do I submit patches for Preware? Oct 17 21:08:22 dBsooner, yes :) Oct 17 21:08:30 talk to me. Oct 17 21:08:32 what patch? Oct 17 21:08:47 Removes Pre Populated number for the Emergency button Oct 17 21:08:53 dBsooner, org.webosinternals.patches.battery-percent Oct 17 21:08:54 Abyssul: get a gitorious.org account, clone the modifications repo, commit the new patch to the clone, request a merge. Oct 17 21:09:04 zsoc: mine is in the proper feed Oct 17 21:09:10 odd Oct 17 21:09:23 Uhh... nevermind Oct 17 21:09:28 oh wait zsoc Oct 17 21:09:31 that's a bad name Oct 17 21:09:36 you must have an old one installed Oct 17 21:09:40 Ah. Oct 17 21:09:45 Explains also why it fails on uninstall lol Oct 17 21:09:53 zsoc: sounds like you didn't migrate according to the instructions Oct 17 21:10:01 rwhitby, migrate to what? Oct 17 21:10:10 * zsoc always follows instructions xD Oct 17 21:10:13 zsoc: to webos-patches feed Oct 17 21:10:31 OH, you're correct. I didn't. But I also didn't add this patch until after 'migration' Oct 17 21:10:45 it was the absolutely most advertised migration that we have ever had. if you didn't see it, then our communication strategy is a complete failure Oct 17 21:10:46 its: org.webosinternals.patches.top-bar-battery-percent-as-icon Oct 17 21:10:47 but i still had the old autopatch feed installed so it didn't matter probably. i see Oct 17 21:11:10 rwhitby, either that was sarcastic, or you were not thinking of the possibility that I tend to be a fool sometimes ;) Oct 17 21:11:17 zsoc: the migration instructions removed the autopatch feed Oct 17 21:11:35 zsoc: just checking the extent of visibility of our communication pathways Oct 17 21:11:40 rwhitby: Unless the person didn't put the autopatch feed in "autopatch.conf" Oct 17 21:11:53 Where are these migration instructions currently located? Oct 17 21:11:56 if someone here failed to see the migration instructions, then we have no hope of getting word of anything out to anyone. Oct 17 21:12:13 I can wear a placard Oct 17 21:12:33 rwhitby: I don't think it has to do with "word getting out to people" as much as it has to do with, "I'm a nerd and I can do this on my own. No need to read instructions." Oct 17 21:12:38 we twittered, we posted in forums, we got PreCentral to do a front-page article, we put it in the ChangeLog in the Preware package Oct 17 21:12:43 I think it also depends on how interesting people find the information. If I whisper "oh by the way i have a working video recording app", people will FIND THE LOG and hunt me down, lol. Oct 17 21:12:59 * zsoc is a geek, not a nerd Oct 17 21:13:12 s/nerd/geek/ Oct 17 21:13:12 dBsooner meant: rwhitby: I don't think it has to do with "word getting out to people" as much as it has to do with, "I'm a geek and I can do this on my own. No need to read instructions." Oct 17 21:13:24 We have no other communication paths available to us that I know of. Oct 17 21:13:34 rwhitby, all in all you did a fine job i'm sure :> Oct 17 21:13:58 we even forcibly removed the autopatch.conf file in the ipkgservice postinst, cause we knew people would not read the migration instructions ... Oct 17 21:14:04 rwhitby, btw, a 60 year old palm fan says thank you for Preware. I told him I'd pass the word :P Oct 17 21:14:13 Abyssul: what rwhitby said a min ago is pretty simple stuff. If you can create the patch, then you can easily clone a repo and push a change. ;) Oct 17 21:14:40 Wtf is a repo lol Oct 17 21:14:41 oil: do we have icons for Top Bar - Add Date MM/DD? Oct 17 21:14:48 Abyssul: the other option is to post the patch in the WebOS Patches forum on PreCentral, and beg for someone else to package it :-) Oct 17 21:14:50 I create my patches with windows Oct 17 21:15:06 Im not going to beg. Not my problem :) Oct 17 21:15:09 dBsooner: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Image:Icon_WebOSInternals_Patch.png Oct 17 21:15:22 oh, the standard one Oct 17 21:15:23 gotcha Oct 17 21:15:36 i mean, idk wtf the icon for it should look like Oct 17 21:15:44 Abyssul: ok, make sure you don't use anything that I have written then, cause it's not my problem either ... Oct 17 21:15:47 a horizontal line, near the top of hte icon? Oct 17 21:15:47 lol Oct 17 21:16:01 oil: I have been following your icons page Oct 17 21:16:07 its not my icon page Oct 17 21:16:11 its templarians Oct 17 21:16:14 i just added some Oct 17 21:16:17 s/your/the/ Oct 17 21:16:19 dBsooner meant: oil: I have been following the icons page Oct 17 21:16:22 lol Oct 17 21:17:11 Sure thing rwhitby :) Oct 17 21:34:53 How would I display an output of each Makefile that doesn't have an ICON = ? Oct 17 21:35:18 I know how to get all the ICON ='s to output, but i want to know the ones that don't have it. :D Oct 17 21:36:45 i.e.: grep ICON ./* -R # outputs all the ICON lines in the Makefiles.. Oct 17 21:38:16 ahoy Oct 17 21:39:53 rwhitby: any idea on that optware install? Oct 17 21:40:11 ConfusedVorlon_: did you pastebin the log? Oct 17 21:40:15 y Oct 17 21:40:36 rwhitby: http://pastebin.com/m5fe1ff6d Oct 17 21:40:45 ah, sorry, I missed it. Oct 17 21:40:55 wget: content-length 488 is garbage Oct 17 21:40:59 someone had that yesterday Oct 17 21:41:07 turn off evdo and do it over wifi Oct 17 21:41:30 sorry, turn off gsm I mean Oct 17 21:42:06 probably a newbie question, but how do I do that? Oct 17 21:42:40 ah - forget it. wifi was on, but not connected Oct 17 21:43:20 ConfusedVorlon_: hopefully we can find someone who can determine why wget fails on GSM for some people Oct 17 21:43:41 what is the address for the package? Oct 17 21:44:51 ConfusedVorlon_: any reason why you didn't highlight the wget: ... garbage line at first? Oct 17 21:45:50 ConfusedVorlon_: http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/cs08q1armel/cross/unstable/ipkg-opt_0.99.163-10_arm.ipk Oct 17 21:46:08 ConfusedVorlon_: this is a real device, not the emulator, right? Oct 17 21:46:28 rwhitby: my eye was drawn to the ERROR lines... Oct 17 21:46:33 yup, real device Oct 17 21:48:17 wget http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/cs08q1armel/cross/unstable/ipkg Oct 17 21:48:17 -opt_0.99.163-10_arm.ipk brings down 74k of stuff... Oct 17 21:49:22 oh - but I'm on wifi now. ignore that... Oct 17 21:57:19 has anyone attempted to use a different flavor of java on their pre? Oct 17 22:00:42 Pre supports Java? Oct 17 22:01:01 rwhitby: just poking around downloading. Trying from another dir on server. This fails with the 488 garbage: wget http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/slugos/cross/unstable/all/font-update-common-dbg_0.1-r0_all.ipk Oct 17 22:01:23 but wget Packages.stamps from the same dir is fine Oct 17 22:01:51 ConfusedVorlon_: it seems to be size related Oct 17 22:02:07 yes, the pre uses java to run many of it's internal services Oct 17 22:03:09 What would the different flavor be then? OpenJDK? Oct 17 22:04:17 sun, openjdk, or even a newer version of it's current flavor Oct 17 22:04:25 which I heard was apache harmony Oct 17 22:04:51 rwhitby: why do you say size related? Oct 17 22:05:33 ConfusedVorlon_: it seemed to only happen on big files Oct 17 22:06:02 nope - it happens on small ones too. 698 bytes fails for font-update-common-dbg_0.1-r0_all.ipk Oct 17 22:06:10 ConfusedVorlon_: but any light you can shine on the behaviour would be appreciated, since we can't reproduce it Oct 17 22:07:13 do you know how to force wget to actually save those 498 bytes? Oct 17 22:08:02 I'm wondering if there could be a server or proxy error that is readable Oct 17 22:08:08 ConfusedVorlon_: nope, not with the busybox wget on the device, and you'd need to set up optware to get the full wget on the device Oct 17 22:08:30 chicken and egg ... Oct 17 22:08:30 well I do have optware (via wifi) Oct 17 22:08:47 oh, of course Oct 17 22:09:10 ipkg-opt install wget Oct 17 22:09:20 then run /opt/bin/wget -v .... Oct 17 22:14:45 rwhitby: full wget manages to get the file over 3g. I have posted log here http://pastebin.com/m7aea9f4d Oct 17 22:14:49 Just in case you all cared.. here is the answer to my question earlier: for i in `find ./ -name Makefile`; do if ! grep ICON $i; then echo '********' $i; fi; done Oct 17 22:15:10 rwhitby: wondering if the basic wget is failing to follow the redirects or something? Oct 17 22:16:51 ConfusedVorlon_: no basic wget follows the redirects fine Oct 17 22:17:30 ConfusedVorlon_: can you install tcpdump and trace the operation of the basic wget that way? Oct 17 22:17:42 sure - just tell me how Oct 17 22:17:51 ipkg-opt install tcpdump Oct 17 22:18:01 I could have guessed! Oct 17 22:18:10 (have you ever used tcpdump before?) Oct 17 22:18:11 I always have problems with busybox wget on nslu Oct 17 22:18:30 rwhitby: not really. I have used gui packetsniffers based on it Oct 17 22:18:47 tcpdump -i ppp0 Oct 17 22:18:50 * oil looks at git.pym, and sees no wircd repo Oct 17 22:18:58 not tcp port 22 if you use ssh Oct 17 22:19:03 over evdo Oct 17 22:19:20 oil: none on git.w-i.org either Oct 17 22:19:29 ;( Oct 17 22:19:45 tmzt: I find it best to novaterm in over usb for using tcpdump Oct 17 22:19:59 well, I use that all the time Oct 17 22:20:02 and it works fine Oct 17 22:20:15 tmzt: agreed, but no good for debugging ssh over evdo ;-) Oct 17 22:20:27 true Oct 17 22:20:37 unless you use a second ssh on a different port Oct 17 22:20:42 nod Oct 17 22:22:36 awaiting instructions... Oct 17 22:23:26 rwhitby: What do I add to my git config to make the warning go away on "pit push"? Oct 17 22:25:50 rwhitby: still want me to do stuff? (will head off if not) Oct 17 22:27:04 ConfusedVorlon_: sorry, was breakfast time Oct 17 22:27:32 ConfusedVorlon_: once you have tcpdump -i ppp0 running, in another shell on the Pre do the wget which fail Oct 17 22:27:43 then pastebin the tcpdump log Oct 17 22:28:06 dBsooner: I usually just re-clone. Oct 17 22:29:08 rwhitby: thanks.. I think egaudet told me what to put Oct 17 22:29:10 but I forgot Oct 17 22:30:36 brb Oct 17 22:30:49 rwhitby: http://pastebin.com/d6cd5a1d4 Oct 17 22:31:53 tmzt: do you know the options to display the HTTP headers and responses in tcpdump for ConfusedVorlon_ ? Oct 17 22:37:30 I may have mentioned this before, but it seems grep -r "string" / caused my phone to reboot. Could the be a buffer overflow issue? Oct 17 22:39:30 rwhitby: I gotta go I'm afraid. Unless someone knows the options you need nowish... Oct 17 22:39:30 zsoc: there are files in /dev which when read will reboot the Pre Oct 17 22:39:41 ConfusedVorlon_: ok, we'll take it up again some other time Oct 17 22:40:00 I'll log on tomorrow. g'night! Oct 17 22:40:03 * rwhitby bbl too Oct 17 22:41:17 ah, /dev... too obvious Oct 17 22:41:27 zsoc, on a previous os vers. (I think 1.1 maybe?) global "find" searches would reboot my phone. This phone not so much. Oct 17 22:42:25 ah ne'er mind, rwhitby addressed that, my bad. Oct 17 22:44:03 corq-FL, sok, thanks for the effort :> Oct 17 22:44:18 I don't suppose you'd happen to be a video pipeline expert? Oct 17 22:44:44 nah, just a needy end user, like most ;-) Oct 17 22:45:12 hehe ok Oct 17 22:45:40 i've customized some stuff to my liking and learned a bit here, but the thinks I'd suggest would only lead to borkage ;-) Oct 17 22:45:49 *things Oct 17 23:02:31 *yawns* Oct 17 23:09:49 Hey currently have a german palm pre (firmware 1.1.3) Oct 17 23:09:57 I would like to access it via shell Oct 17 23:10:19 oil: you gonna be around tonight? Oct 17 23:10:29 or is that firmware too old? Oct 17 23:10:37 Thomaschaaf: if you are on linux.... downbload precomd Oct 17 23:10:42 and build it Oct 17 23:10:44 and use it Oct 17 23:10:47 windows 7 Oct 17 23:10:48 or get the sdk Oct 17 23:10:55 got the sdk installed Oct 17 23:11:01 Thomaschaaf: i might have a win32 build of precomd you could test Oct 17 23:11:18 Thomaschaaf: just use novacomd/novaterm Oct 17 23:11:27 Thomschaaf: you in Germany? Oct 17 23:11:27 or install ssh and what noyt Oct 17 23:11:31 I have a cmd open and am in the folder Oct 17 23:11:32 yep Oct 17 23:11:49 * oil will be around loling at that drawing :) Oct 17 23:11:53 Thomaschaaf: use quick install to install preware and ipkgservice, then install dropbear ssh Oct 17 23:12:02 oil: awesome Oct 17 23:12:04 Thomaschaaf: damn, i wanted to see if we had another confirmed working international carrier ;) Oct 17 23:12:17 oil: have you started on the app yet at all? Oct 17 23:12:26 oil: or too busy laughing Oct 17 23:12:27 no Oct 17 23:12:37 oil: we should use it as a screenshot :D Oct 17 23:12:53 drawing? Oct 17 23:13:00 hahahaha Oct 17 23:13:03 PuffTheMagic_: how would I access it with novacom? I have it connected via usb and have it in dev mode Oct 17 23:13:15 i think you need to make a lot more mockups of features Oct 17 23:13:18 novacom -d usb doesn't do anything :( Oct 17 23:13:18 Thomaschaaf: start novavcomd Oct 17 23:13:27 * oil has drawing link, let me get it freakout Oct 17 23:13:27 Thomaschaaf: u might need a driver Oct 17 23:13:28 idk Oct 17 23:13:37 i havent used windows in 10 years Oct 17 23:13:42 http://omploader.org/vMms1OA Oct 17 23:13:57 rofl Oct 17 23:13:57 ahahaha Oct 17 23:14:11 Mona Lisa, eat your heart out Oct 17 23:14:12 oil: i will make some mockujps after im done with dinner Oct 17 23:14:14 30min or so Oct 17 23:14:24 but isn't the way you access the phone the same? same command options? Oct 17 23:14:25 freakout: i have better things to do that make pretty mockups Oct 17 23:14:31 like wircd Oct 17 23:14:36 Thomaschaaf: yeah but drivers and what not Oct 17 23:14:36 idk Oct 17 23:14:58 PuffTheMagic_, that's so far from "pretty" i don't know where to start :p Oct 17 23:15:29 hey Oct 17 23:15:32 atleast he used the text tool Oct 17 23:15:37 even if he didn't use the line tool Oct 17 23:15:41 or circle tool Oct 17 23:15:56 is there any way to see how much data I have used? I only have 200 MB traffic.. Oct 17 23:16:06 and want to track my 3g usage Oct 17 23:16:37 Thomaschaaf, install Terminal Oct 17 23:16:54 and type in "ifconfig" Oct 17 23:19:10 I can't access the device yet I'll try to get it to work first :P Oct 17 23:23:56 PuffTheMagic_: whats the name of this app? Oct 17 23:24:03 nettool? Oct 17 23:26:32 wooohooo got access :) Oct 17 23:31:39 okay so I'm on the device with putty.. what shall I install? Oct 17 23:31:57 Thomaschaaf: Whatever tools you need Oct 17 23:32:18 install Termin how? can't fint apt or aptitude.. Oct 17 23:32:24 nor yum Oct 17 23:32:34 Thomaschaaf: oO Oct 17 23:33:57 Thomascaaf: you want Preware :) Oct 17 23:34:18 * thatdude agrees with freakout Oct 17 23:34:40 * oil agrees with thatdudes agreement Oct 17 23:36:41 Thomaschaaf: http://get.preware.org/ Oct 17 23:36:57 exe or jar, choose your poison. Oct 17 23:37:08 what is it? Oct 17 23:37:15 On-device homebrew installer Oct 17 23:37:35 lol @ the exe and jar installation... a caveman can install preware. Oct 17 23:38:07 Don't listen to freakout... real man install preware with the following instruction... Oct 17 23:38:10 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Preware#Alternative_Installation_.28ADVANCED.2FCLI_Method.29 Oct 17 23:38:13 lmao Oct 17 23:39:59 did 1.2 do anything for battery life? Oct 17 23:40:30 1.1.3 is currently killing me because its not really a lot of battery.. Oct 17 23:40:55 Thomaschaaf: You have not updated to the latest version? Oct 17 23:41:09 oil: idk what the name of it should be' Oct 17 23:41:17 people should start making suggestions Oct 17 23:41:21 if he's on 1.1.3 that means hes on gsm Oct 17 23:41:24 its a "Network Manager" Oct 17 23:41:25 and there is no update Oct 17 23:41:28 PuffTheMagic: What are you talking about? Oct 17 23:41:34 but i dont want ti to be comfused with Network Manager Oct 17 23:41:53 thatdude: im working on a free tether/network config service/gui Oct 17 23:41:54 PuffTheMagic: What has the magic dragon made you do program now? Oct 17 23:41:55 PuffTheMagic_: remind me again why this got in the way of irc? Oct 17 23:42:26 PuffTheMagic_, don't tell rod, in fact he might have the word 'tether' on trigger ;) Oct 17 23:42:31 oil: cause im going to Texas next week for the HFES conference and idk if i will have internet at the hotel Oct 17 23:42:40 zsoc: tether is a misnomer anyway Oct 17 23:42:42 lol Oct 17 23:42:44 like rooting Oct 17 23:42:51 which is why dont want tether in the name Oct 17 23:42:55 PuffTheMagic: That's awesome, I am turned on. Oct 17 23:42:58 but tether conveys the idea Oct 17 23:43:23 PuffTheMagic_, yes, but it's a keyword to certain service providers. I believe the official stance is "it's cool as long as there's a service provider somewhere for the pre that is cool with it legit" Oct 17 23:43:59 zsoc: well "tether" refers to using phone as modem, which im not Oct 17 23:44:03 so it dont matter Oct 17 23:44:09 ip_forward+nat tool Oct 17 23:44:13 is a shitty name Oct 17 23:44:32 PuffTheMagic_: there are hotels without internet access? Oct 17 23:44:39 yea am on gsm Oct 17 23:44:44 oil: well im sure mine has it in the lobby at the very least Oct 17 23:44:47 but idk Oct 17 23:44:47 Define the difference between "using the phone as a modem" and "forwarding the ip / nat adjusting"? Same result if I'm not mistaken Oct 17 23:44:59 i just want to be be able to get on line via my phone before i go Oct 17 23:45:01 as a backup Oct 17 23:45:15 install mytether Oct 17 23:45:19 and work on ircd Oct 17 23:45:21 xD Oct 17 23:45:28 Would it work thru wifi or bluetooth? Oct 17 23:45:56 PuffTheMagic_, you could call it Pay Ip Forward Oct 17 23:45:58 it's a play on words Oct 17 23:46:01 get it Oct 17 23:46:02 mytether didnt work when i tried Oct 17 23:46:03 GET IT!? Oct 17 23:46:13 lol Oct 17 23:46:17 and i know how to do it from cli Oct 17 23:46:18 ok, back to the scotch Oct 17 23:46:20 so its not an issue Oct 17 23:46:22 mytehter worked fine usb for me Oct 17 23:46:26 but i want to make a freee app Oct 17 23:46:38 yeah, im down with doin to mojo for it Oct 17 23:46:39 didnt bother with anything else Oct 17 23:46:42 cause its retarded to pay for such a thing Oct 17 23:46:49 it just seemed like we were moving on irc, then this popped infront of it Oct 17 23:46:55 and since Tether app and IRC are #1 and #2 most requested apps Oct 17 23:47:08 oil: i just wanted to get usb tether working this weekend for my trip Oct 17 23:47:17 then when i come out i will bang out wIRCd Oct 17 23:47:29 Hey guys, I'm willing to help with whatever. I know I'm a big nob but I'm sure I must be useful for something. For either app. Oct 17 23:47:31 then go back to making the tether app bad ass Oct 17 23:47:41 i love irssi i doubt when with a decent mojo'd irc app that i would use it Oct 17 23:47:43 lol Oct 17 23:47:43 zsoc: you are a knob? Oct 17 23:47:54 PuffTheMagic_, uh, sure. Oct 17 23:47:57 lol Oct 17 23:47:58 im not most people though Oct 17 23:47:59 lol Oct 17 23:48:04 punzada-m: then dont use it Oct 17 23:48:10 indeed Oct 17 23:48:12 punzada-m: im not gonna loose sleep of it Oct 17 23:48:15 others will love it Oct 17 23:48:18 irssi blows though Oct 17 23:48:18 * oil will Oct 17 23:48:28 quassel >> irssi Oct 17 23:48:31 quassel >> irssi+screen Oct 17 23:48:41 irssi is fantastic just slow refreshes kill it in the terminal app Oct 17 23:48:54 never heard of quassel Oct 17 23:49:04 irssi+screen is what I use Oct 17 23:49:10 nothing is better then irssi+screeb :D Oct 17 23:49:16 screen even Oct 17 23:49:32 punzada-m: What do you use? Oct 17 23:50:03 punzada-m: quassel is a client/server irc client Oct 17 23:50:06 obvious no? lol Oct 17 23:50:10 its like a gui irssi+screen Oct 17 23:50:12 but better Oct 17 23:50:26 you can run the "core" on a server or random box that is always on Oct 17 23:50:32 yeah i know of it_ nifty project i just think qt is ugly and like my terminals Oct 17 23:50:33 then just run the client on what ever u want Oct 17 23:50:42 punzada-m: qt3 sucks Oct 17 23:50:44 and kde3 Oct 17 23:50:50 i hated kde when it used qt3 Oct 17 23:50:59 but i switched from gnome to kde4 Oct 17 23:51:00 same kde4 is a nice step Oct 17 23:51:09 everything i hated about kde was fixed with kde4 Oct 17 23:51:10 I use gnome Oct 17 23:51:16 and quassel is kde4 Oct 17 23:51:21 i still cant use it full time though i find many of the k-apps to be ..lacking. Oct 17 23:51:26 punzada-m: definatelly give quassel a shot Oct 17 23:51:41 i can make you an account on the server i run quassel cor eon Oct 17 23:51:50 if you want to see what its like Oct 17 23:52:02 i actually started trying out awesomewm yesterday was fairly fun not my style though Oct 17 23:52:35 ill give quassel a shot i like to be free of x as much as i can though Oct 17 23:52:48 u r a cli junky huh Oct 17 23:52:53 its almost 2010 Oct 17 23:52:55 more or less Oct 17 23:52:59 enter the world of gui Oct 17 23:53:04 i like gui Oct 17 23:53:04 and graphics Oct 17 23:53:08 no reason to be using cli Oct 17 23:53:15 i just find most of them piss poor and not as portable Oct 17 23:53:16 lol Oct 17 23:53:27 quassle is on windoes mac and linux Oct 17 23:53:45 but not on pre :p Oct 17 23:53:47 lol Oct 17 23:54:08 afk a few Oct 17 23:54:17 irssi+screen > quassel enough said. Oct 17 23:54:26 I don't wanna hear it puff. Oct 17 23:54:27 thatdude: not even close Oct 17 23:54:43 irssi is a terrible irc client... Oct 17 23:54:57 omg the topic is to big for my console Oct 17 23:54:58 quassel is gui Oct 17 23:55:03 can someone please paste me the topic cause irssi sucks and i cant see the topic Oct 17 23:55:19 PuffTheMagic_: asshole, lol Oct 17 23:55:20 ? Oct 17 23:55:24 thatdude: go back to 1980 and use irssi on your Vic 20 Oct 17 23:55:29 hahaha Oct 17 23:55:37 what do you guys think will come with the 1.3. OS? Oct 17 23:55:55 Thomaschaaf, huh? Oct 17 23:55:57 Thomaschaaf: more of the patches we already support ;) Oct 17 23:56:03 lol Oct 17 23:56:19 you know every update it accomplished by taking shit from our wiki Oct 17 23:56:20 I know what _isn't_ coming next update. Oct 17 23:56:35 +PuffTheMagic_: I do laugh because I got owned because I asked for a link that was already in the title Oct 17 23:57:02 so what are the best apps to install (keep in mind I have 1.1.3) I read about msn support is that in therE? Oct 17 23:57:03 zsoc: obex vcards isnt comming Oct 17 23:57:03 PuffTheMagic_, that's interesting, why not do you think? Oct 17 23:57:03 thatdude: yeah cause you can only see 80char of the topic Oct 17 23:57:14 +PuffTheMagic_: yep I had to ./title Oct 17 23:57:19 zsoc: cause obex vcards should have been here fro day 1 Oct 17 23:57:23 and they werrnt Oct 17 23:57:43 and everyone has already moved to contacts to shitty gmail Oct 17 23:57:55 which dont support the new vard spec Oct 17 23:57:56 PuffTheMagic_, true that. you can do what i did.... old phone -> bitpim -> csv -> palm desktop -> pd to webos migration tool Oct 17 23:58:10 brb Oct 17 23:58:12 zsoc: naaa Oct 17 23:58:18 zsoc: didnt need bitpim Oct 17 23:58:24 my old phone supported vcards and obex Oct 17 23:58:27 Ah. Oct 17 23:58:29 so i sent them to my lappy over bt Oct 17 23:58:32 you're also a core hacker lol Oct 17 23:58:37 and enhanced them with kontact Oct 17 23:58:45 and then got pissed when i couldnt send them to my pre Oct 17 23:59:05 actually i bet obex vcards is close Oct 17 23:59:13 cause the bt car shit shit uses bt Oct 17 23:59:21 and it sends contacts to the car Oct 17 23:59:38 so it has to be soon that we can send vcards from phone to phone or phone to lappy Oct 17 23:59:40 or lappy to phone Oct 18 00:00:13 its just rediculous it wasnt there from day 1 Oct 18 00:00:18 importing contacts is like the frst thing everone needs Oct 18 00:00:26 before they need pandora or flight tracker then need contacts Oct 18 00:00:52 PuffTheMagic_, the migration tool was there. and clearly all webos users had a palmos phone prior :P Oct 18 00:11:32 PuffTheMagic_: it's ridiculous a lot of the stuff that wasn't there from day 1 Oct 18 00:11:41 like system wide cut-copy-paste, for instance Oct 18 00:13:05 zsoc: the migration tool is garbage Oct 18 00:13:21 with a capitol G Oct 18 00:14:07 * freakout exported all his Palm OS contacts to Google the other day, using the free Exchange ActiveSync: http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/9946/free-google-syncing-on-palm-os-comes-and-goes/ Oct 18 00:14:11 plug, plug Oct 18 00:15:15 * thatdude is gone with the wind and while being blown away he shouts irssi+screen > quassel Oct 18 00:16:34 Google is the devil. Oct 18 00:16:44 Google mangled all my nice vcard 1.3 contacts Oct 18 00:16:51 googles contacts are bullshit Oct 18 00:17:02 they are so advanced about most things Oct 18 00:17:07 and have terrible contact support Oct 18 00:17:19 you cant even batch import vcards Oct 18 00:17:20 worked fine for me, except for some weird custom contact bug Oct 18 00:17:29 but it didn't show up in the webOS emulator anyways Oct 18 00:17:43 that sounds like it works perfect Oct 18 00:17:53 lol Oct 18 00:19:14 *erm, custom *field* bug Oct 18 00:22:15 i just started using google contacts as my primary Oct 18 00:23:19 didnt really have them all decently organized prior cept from windows mobile backups Oct 18 00:23:25 google contacts in inferior to palm profile's contacts Oct 18 00:23:59 how so Oct 18 00:24:27 just less information fields? Oct 18 00:24:53 not only does google support less fields but they are non standards compliant Oct 18 00:25:17 i wasnt aware there were contact standards Oct 18 00:25:18 they cant import a vcard properly Oct 18 00:25:24 vcards dude Oct 18 00:25:36 no idea what that is lol Oct 18 00:26:09 lol, oh boy Oct 18 00:26:14 you are stuck in 19080 Oct 18 00:26:16 1980 Oct 18 00:26:47 * freakout revs up the DeLorean to rescue punzada-m Oct 18 00:26:50 lol Oct 18 00:26:58 lol Oct 18 00:27:00 * PuffTheMagic_ plays some Phil Collins Oct 18 00:27:04 88mph! Oct 18 00:27:18 * PuffTheMagic_ broke his flux capacitor Oct 18 00:27:40 1.21 jiggerwatts!!! (sic) Oct 18 00:27:42 okay after a quick google i have heard of them Oct 18 00:27:51 lol Oct 18 00:27:54 jigger Oct 18 00:27:54 however ive never seen anyone actually use them Oct 18 00:28:07 racial slur units of measure Oct 18 00:28:10 lol Oct 18 00:28:12 lol Oct 18 00:28:34 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XV_Dh2zvwLI Oct 18 00:28:38 freakout: did you see the most recent email from the folks working on the gsm pre? Oct 18 00:29:14 rick_home: nope! Do tell :) Oct 18 00:29:54 qualcomm modem is responding to AT commands Oct 18 00:30:03 latest post characterizes it Oct 18 00:30:11 webos-internals at google groups Oct 18 00:30:30 * freakout heads over there now Oct 18 00:32:31 rick_home: hmm. so *that's* where the APN settings are hiding? Oct 18 00:32:43 so it would appear Oct 18 00:32:49 Darn, I knew I shouldn't have put them in the fake rock Oct 18 00:33:06 note how I am carefully not commenting on these posts. these guys are light years ahead of me on this. Oct 18 00:33:24 Perhaps because they've broken into so damned many phones over the years. :-) Oct 18 00:33:24 oil: ping Oct 18 00:33:27 ? Oct 18 00:33:34 Are these germans? I heard things about them Oct 18 00:33:37 zsoc: lol Oct 18 00:33:51 rick_home, that's cool but a bit disappointing at the same time Oct 18 00:34:04 rick_home: 'cause it means that it might be hard to manually set them yourself Oct 18 00:34:18 oil: can you make a scene that shows a list of info like this: http://dpaste.com/108767/ Oct 18 00:34:20 The latest from all the forums is that some international SIMs work fine, others don't Oct 18 00:34:29 "World Ready".... not quite. Oct 18 00:35:15 unformated? Oct 18 00:35:42 PuffTheMagic_, is that just ifconfig? Oct 18 00:35:46 well, again, I suspect these guys will just fix that. Oct 18 00:36:10 zsoc: ip addr Oct 18 00:36:24 oil: ok never mind Oct 18 00:36:30 ? Oct 18 00:37:13 i mean, i have no clue how you want it to look Oct 18 00:37:21 i could certainly just put that text in a scene Oct 18 00:37:21 thats why i said never mind Oct 18 00:37:34 you could always make a little interface mockup :) Oct 18 00:37:42 rick_home: I hope so, my Pre should be here in a week or two :) Oct 18 00:38:02 freakout: then you can see all the crappy reviews new apps are getting xD Oct 18 00:38:06 lol Oct 18 00:38:25 * freakout will be sure to leave a zero-star DotGame :p Oct 18 00:38:43 ;( Oct 18 00:38:53 are people leaving bad reviews because the apps really suck or because they don't want to pay for cell-phone apps? Oct 18 00:39:04 I'm inclined to think that even when the apps are good you'll still have people complain about prices. Oct 18 00:39:07 Pupator: they REALLY SUCK Oct 18 00:39:08 thay have to pay to be able to rate apps that are for purchase Oct 18 00:39:22 oil: i;ve been giving apps crapy revies from day one Oct 18 00:39:23 hmm. that's a bummer. Oct 18 00:39:32 i didnt know crappy reviews was new news Oct 18 00:39:38 I haven't bought any apps yet; so far the freebies still do most of what I need Oct 18 00:39:43 neither have i Oct 18 00:39:55 PuffTheMagic_: crapier than before. as in there are now apps with 1 and 2 star AVERAGES Oct 18 00:40:08 I would buy a TomTom app, should it ever appear. Classic, and Docs2Go. Not much else though Oct 18 00:40:27 Docs2Go should not be payed for Oct 18 00:40:34 there is already a doc view isnt there Oct 18 00:40:38 and most spec are open Oct 18 00:40:43 somethinfg we can easily do Oct 18 00:40:44 Programmers gotta eat. Who SHOULD pay for it? Oct 18 00:40:56 suckers? Oct 18 00:40:57 PuffTheMagic_: hey, if Palm are willing to make it a free update I'm all for it :) Oct 18 00:41:06 PuffTheMagic_: HAHAHAHAHahahahAHAHAHAhahaha Oct 18 00:41:19 rick_home: im sorry for people that program for a profession Oct 18 00:41:23 have you -ever- looked at the binary doc spec for Microsoft Word? Oct 18 00:41:27 * PuffTheMagic_ hides Oct 18 00:41:57 I'd pay for docs2go in a heartbeat if the editing of word docs worked correctly. Oct 18 00:42:09 rick_home: people still use binary doc formats? Oct 18 00:42:11 * oil guesses browser plugin Oct 18 00:42:26 I'd also pay for a Freshbooks app. I've looked at the API a bit but don't have the time to fool with it. Oct 18 00:42:35 everyone should move to latex Oct 18 00:42:40 would you pay for an irc app? Oct 18 00:42:40 xD Oct 18 00:42:43 PuffTheMagic_: some things are actually hard. Some applications level programs are substantially _harder_ than things like linux drivers. Some of these things require large teams and full time programmers. Mozilla isn't maintained by a field of people in a garage, neither is open office. Oct 18 00:42:43 lol Oct 18 00:42:46 then the world would be a better place Oct 18 00:42:51 Oh, and a Spades game where the AI doesn't completely suck. I'd pay a couple bucks for that. Other than that I don't think I'd pay for much. Oct 18 00:43:11 You just really -hate- Aunt Minnie don't you Puff ? Oct 18 00:43:13 oil: I paid for Xchat on Win, i could do a buck for wIRC Oct 18 00:43:20 :-) ((( Note sarcasm noted. ))) Oct 18 00:43:35 7 more cents and i could get something off the dollar menu Oct 18 00:43:49 freakout: that is sad, both that you paid for xchar and that you would pay for wIRC Oct 18 00:43:54 I don't think I'd like to do IRC on the pre. My fingers get tired just sending a few e-mails. I can't imagine trying to keep up with live chat. Oct 18 00:43:57 PuffTheMagic_: lol Oct 18 00:44:16 Pupator: you would get better with time Oct 18 00:44:17 PuffTheMagic_: I love freeloading. But I also enjoy giving something back to those who make shit that I really like Oct 18 00:44:32 beyond hanging out on IRC and making snarky comments, that is :p Oct 18 00:44:33 just like the first time you typed on a real keyboard it was awkward and your fingers got tired Oct 18 00:44:53 your thumbs would get all buff Oct 18 00:44:58 and the other fingers would be jealous Oct 18 00:45:08 oil: I've had the Pre from the day it came out. It's not the same as learning a real keyboard because real keyboards are made for quick typing. The qwerty layout is not ideal for typing with just a couple of fingers. Oct 18 00:45:31 Pupator: not ideal, but I've been using Palm thumbboards for years now. I can touch-type like a pro Oct 18 00:45:46 im on irc on the pre constantly recently Oct 18 00:45:47 rwhitby: I just use -x, it doesn't really have layer 7 filters Oct 18 00:45:47 Although QWERTZ is gonna mess me up real good at first, i bet Oct 18 00:45:51 been loving it Oct 18 00:45:59 what slows me down on palms keyboard is typos Oct 18 00:46:11 fat-fingering the buttons Oct 18 00:46:11 and having to delete Oct 18 00:46:19 if i didn't make as many mistakes, it wouldn't be bad at all Oct 18 00:46:19 i get about 9 hours of full irc + media + browsing on my 2600 Oct 18 00:46:22 Centro taught me to use thumbtips/fingernails Oct 18 00:46:27 iPhone auto-correct ftw. didn't like much else about my iPhone, but I liked that. Oct 18 00:46:40 lol, Pupator, that's one of the things i hate most about the iphone Oct 18 00:46:41 rick_home: its not that I hate aunt minnie, i made a decision a long time ago wasnt going to go into a career that was centered around comptuers only becase comptuer stuff is fun for me and and if I did it for work i would grow to hate it... so everything do on the computer is for me first, and if other people use it fine but im not gonna go out of the way to dumb things down for "aunt minnies" when i hardly have enough time to Oct 18 00:46:41 do the things for me the way i want them Oct 18 00:46:43 i have no fingernails Oct 18 00:46:51 well, i do, but they're trimmed Oct 18 00:46:53 * rick_home has been wearing his thumbnails a little longer lately Oct 18 00:47:12 * oil will try it out Oct 18 00:47:25 * freakout bites his nails. they don't need to be that big ;) Oct 18 00:47:26 some people are hella fast at typing with thumbs Oct 18 00:47:28 time for some desktop tower defense Oct 18 00:47:29 you should see my sister text Oct 18 00:47:32 lol Oct 18 00:48:07 * freakout has watched oil's sister do a whole lot more :p Oct 18 00:48:17 lol Oct 18 00:48:26 hm, that's offensive and sexy at the same time Oct 18 00:48:36 freakout, you truly are a journalist Oct 18 00:48:37 zsoc: I'm a full-service kinda guy Oct 18 00:49:03 i bet Oct 18 00:49:07 * punzada-m rimshots Oct 18 00:49:10 with his shortshorts Oct 18 00:49:12 lol Oct 18 00:49:48 i also find it weird that the weather channel has been released, and released an update Oct 18 00:49:57 and my update to dotgame has been sitting there Oct 18 00:49:59 and so has my new app Oct 18 00:50:17 http://tinyurl.com/yftn9ut Oct 18 00:50:30 oh god Oct 18 00:50:54 no, that's not a pre in my pocket xD Oct 18 00:51:27 freakout: why does that guys name sound familiar Oct 18 00:51:35 oh, i dunno..... Oct 18 00:51:42 infobot, Tim Caroll? Oct 18 00:51:47 infobot, Tim Carroll? Oct 18 00:51:48 somebody said tim carroll was an extraordinarily handsome writer for Palm Infocenter, the premiere Palm news site. He also has a lovely, masculine smell about him, with a hint of pine needles. He goes by the online alias "freakout". Oct 18 00:51:51 lol Oct 18 00:51:56 way to spell your own name wrong Oct 18 00:51:59 lol Oct 18 00:52:09 hahhahahah Oct 18 00:57:31 * freakout goes for lunch. Mmm, burger. Oct 18 00:59:58 freakout, wait... that's.. not.. really you.. right? Oct 18 01:00:31 that is him Oct 18 01:02:13 So, any news on that IRC app you were working on last night? Oct 18 01:02:34 lol. why zsoc, are you afraid of the sexy? http://tinyurl.com/yfckqyt Oct 18 01:02:39 uh, its still being worked on Oct 18 01:03:05 freakout, that is just... Oct 18 01:03:14 hot to the max? Oct 18 01:03:34 VeeDubb65-Steve, i bet it will still be being worked on tomorrow night as well Oct 18 01:03:46 and the day after that Oct 18 01:04:01 and the day after that i will sleep Oct 18 01:04:11 pansy Oct 18 01:04:17 lol Oct 18 01:04:20 brb Oct 18 01:04:48 lol. Just taking a friendly interest. Oct 18 01:05:16 zsoc: apparently O2 allows tethering, so just talk in terms of tethering for O2 GSM mobiles ;-) Oct 18 01:05:50 rwhitby, the second i made that comment before, i realized i'm sure one of the new carriers supports it Oct 18 01:06:17 rwhitby, not to mention as Puff brought out, tethering is quite a misnomer :) Oct 18 01:07:17 895msec IRC lag over EVDO from laptop :D Oct 18 01:07:26 not bad Oct 18 01:07:34 well Oct 18 01:07:40 it goes down really low Oct 18 01:07:44 like 80 Oct 18 01:07:49 but sometimnes it hight like 300 Oct 18 01:07:50 3000 Oct 18 01:07:57 right now its deent Oct 18 01:07:59 decent Oct 18 01:08:07 indeed Oct 18 01:08:47 VeeDubb65-Steve: when wIRC/wIRCd aka [wurk] <-- phonetic spelling as suggested by rwhitby is done... it will be in Preware Oct 18 01:08:56 I wish I had a dollar for each line of each patch that starts with '+' I've written over the last 3 weeks. Oct 18 01:11:26 Actually, make that a euro Oct 18 01:12:11 i wish i got a euro each time someone said aunt minnie Oct 18 01:15:25 PuffTheMagic_, did you coin that? Oct 18 01:15:39 (tm) Oct 18 01:15:40 yeah Oct 18 01:15:45 wait what Oct 18 01:15:48 aunt minnie no Oct 18 01:15:56 that is is a rick-rod combo Oct 18 01:16:09 i beleive Oct 18 01:16:11 ah Oct 18 01:20:48 I think I'm now blind from the Tim Carroll photo ... Oct 18 01:21:15 lol Oct 18 01:21:25 rwhitby, that's your brotha :> Oct 18 01:22:50 rwhitby: are you ever present in this channel (besides when you are arguing with me) in real time... are are you always in "reading backlog mode" Oct 18 01:23:07 s/are are/or are/ Oct 18 01:23:07 PuffTheMagic_ meant: rwhitby: are you ever present in this channel (besides when you are arguing with me) in real time... or are you always in "reading backlog mode" Oct 18 01:23:23 PuffTheMagic_: it's sunday, so this is between outdoor activities. Oct 18 01:23:51 I find reading in backlog mode allows me to skip more drivel too ;-) Oct 18 01:24:25 freakout: http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=1982784#post1982784 Oct 18 01:25:23 It appears that switcharoo is not available in the official catalog nor in homebrew. bleh Oct 18 01:25:57 * rwhitby bbl Oct 18 01:31:19 * PuffTheMagic_ has been online via his pre for Free! Oct 18 01:31:19 my-tether can stick it Oct 18 01:31:46 PuffTheMagic_: FreeTether will be the app name with the most marketing impact, even if it's a misnomer. Oct 18 01:32:46 rwhitby:im pretty sure once the word is out that there is a free app to tether the app name wont matter Oct 18 01:33:06 rwhitby: but i dont want to use tether cause its gonna end up being a very small part of what the app can do Oct 18 01:33:12 even if its what most people use it for Oct 18 01:33:55 but yeah FreeTether would probably be a good pro aunt minne name Oct 18 01:34:01 being able to tether has saved my butt a couple of times Oct 18 01:35:00 "no, no don't kill me, i can get you internet access, i swear!" Oct 18 01:35:15 something like that Oct 18 01:35:47 my phone has been runing warm since messing with this thether shit Oct 18 01:36:10 PuffTheMagic_, in what way is that suprising? Oct 18 01:36:30 well i really never noticed it being that warm Oct 18 01:37:17 * PuffTheMagic_ still wants to work on his iris scanner app Oct 18 01:37:24 to replace the keypad lock Oct 18 01:38:04 heh - that'd be quite an app + mod Oct 18 01:39:03 openvc should make it easy Oct 18 01:39:11 opencv Oct 18 01:39:12 sorry Oct 18 01:39:37 i;ve used it for eye trackers and other stuff Oct 18 01:39:55 and the pre hardware can do it Oct 18 01:40:01 that's the part I doubt Oct 18 01:40:08 what's the MFD on the camera? Oct 18 01:40:14 you serious Oct 18 01:40:52 on shittier hardward i've seen phones take pictures of signs and books and translate the text on the signs into another language then speak out the text in what ever language you want Oct 18 01:41:02 an irsi scanner would be easy Oct 18 01:41:11 that's way easier than iris scanning Oct 18 01:41:13 3mp is more than enough for this Oct 18 01:41:18 it's not about MP Oct 18 01:41:31 it's about MFD, low light capability, and tons of user error Oct 18 01:41:46 torch :D Oct 18 01:41:47 (I agree that 3MP is plenty) Oct 18 01:42:59 yeah led light should help Oct 18 01:43:19 lol, now you've introduced glare and shadows Oct 18 01:44:32 " i've seen phones take pictures of signs and books and translate the text on the signs into another language then speak out the text in what ever language you want" -- the only part of that situation that matters for this the reading of the text and comprehending it (in its original language). But signs and books involve a great deal of contrast. Dark text on a light background or the... Oct 18 01:44:34 ...opposite. Also, you can probably hold the camera a decent distance from the page or sign and still get the letters big enough. Oct 18 01:44:45 Scanning an eye is an entirely different world. Oct 18 01:45:09 * rwhitby bbl Oct 18 01:45:48 the picture has to be clear (that means focused and not blurred) and there has to be enough light to overcome the significant lack of contrast present Oct 18 01:46:10 the user would have to hold the camera not too close to violate the MFD and not so far away that the software couldn't figure out which part of the picture was the eye. Oct 18 01:47:35 I think even if you overcame those limitations your tolerance for matching the picture to the baseline would have to be so great that it could only be used for gimmick (rather than security) purposes. Oct 18 01:47:42 on a slightly related note as a camera geek it annoys me how everyone cares about megapixels instead of lens quality lol Oct 18 01:48:08 it seems that the mega-pixel race is mostly over Oct 18 01:48:28 camera companies are getting it now. low-light, low-noise and HD video are the new things Oct 18 01:59:56 punzada-m: I'm with you. I've got several camera bodies, but I still keep my D50 and D70s around as back-up bodies, and they're both 6.2MP Oct 18 02:00:33 I think people like high MP cameras because they're not good at composition and need to drastically crop every shot they take. Just a theory. Oct 18 02:01:18 hey, is anyone out there looking at adding video codecs? Oct 18 02:06:10 Pupator: Whatever you do, do not suggest that theory on nikonians.org or fredmiranda.com unless you are looking to start a flame war. Telling some MP fanboy that he wouldn't need an 18MP camera if he knew how to compose a shot is dangerous. Oct 18 02:06:23 lol Oct 18 02:06:24 It's true, but the truth can get you in trouble. Oct 18 02:06:49 You're exactly right. I shoot sony and use Smugmug, so I hang out more at dyxum and dgrin. They're a bit less hostile. Oct 18 02:07:00 lol Oct 18 02:07:32 Nikonians used to be good, but when the D90, D300 generation cme out, the forum really went down hill. Oct 18 02:19:38 rwhitby: nice. I knew someone was gonna do it eventually :) Oct 18 02:20:02 elight: some ppl are, but I haven't seen ajames (who was working on extra audio codecs) in awhile Oct 18 02:20:18 elight: so no idea where the project is at right now Oct 18 02:20:29 well, figured out that list-widget bug Oct 18 02:20:33 looks like it just took a lil sleep Oct 18 02:23:20 did you wake it up by tipping a cup of water on its head? Oct 18 02:23:28 i mean, me sleeping Oct 18 02:23:37 haha Oct 18 02:24:26 the option i needed was there the whole time Oct 18 02:24:37 :/ Oct 18 02:27:18 the problem was the render limit, the list would only render somany items at once Oct 18 02:27:28 once the font was small emough, there was too many items Oct 18 02:27:31 and they would be blank Oct 18 02:27:49 so i made the render limit higher then needed Oct 18 02:29:16 which is good, because just filling the div with html was crazy slow for no reason Oct 18 02:33:28 hello Oct 18 02:33:39 hey Oct 18 02:34:01 how are you Oct 18 02:34:06 not bad Oct 18 02:34:22 can i ask you a question? Oct 18 02:34:30 i guess i already did :p Oct 18 02:34:49 yes, but i can't guarantee knowing the answer Oct 18 02:35:02 how can i access and edit the carriernetworksettings.db3 Oct 18 02:35:09 that i know nothing of :/ Oct 18 02:35:19 oh its ok Oct 18 02:35:23 soulofdeath Oct 18 02:35:23 someone was talking about it yesterday Oct 18 02:35:25 i dont remember who Oct 18 02:35:35 you can download a simple SQLite browser/editor for windows if you want it Oct 18 02:36:00 freakout: im on mac or ubuntu Oct 18 02:36:05 ill search for that Oct 18 02:36:15 than i can edit my doctor files? Oct 18 02:37:20 im really new to all of these things Oct 18 02:37:24 so please bare with me Oct 18 02:38:56 hmm Oct 18 02:39:00 i dunno about an ubuntu editor Oct 18 02:39:22 i found one Oct 18 02:39:43 its actually a firefox addon which is cross platform Oct 18 02:40:36 https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/5817 Oct 18 02:45:09 so i have a browser Oct 18 02:45:22 i have the doctor renamed as zip Oct 18 02:45:49 but what are the files taht i can access and edit Oct 18 02:46:09 soulofdeath: lots and lots and lots of files Oct 18 02:46:22 you might want to go read in the wiki about the doctor's content Oct 18 02:47:01 im just trying to find where carriernetworksettings.db3 is located Oct 18 02:47:02 the question you asked is similar to "Ok, I installed ubuntu, what can I do to configure it?" Oct 18 02:47:17 hheehe im sorry Oct 18 02:47:23 but im really new to this Oct 18 02:47:25 soulofdeath: if you extract the doctor Oct 18 02:47:32 and keep extracting Oct 18 02:47:46 extract the .class files? Oct 18 02:47:52 you will eventually find a file with the word rootfs as part of it. Oct 18 02:47:55 yep. Oct 18 02:48:14 that file contains everthing in the root file ssystem Oct 18 02:48:20 and you can use find to find stuff in it. Oct 18 02:48:22 :-) Oct 18 02:48:26 just keep extracting. Oct 18 02:48:36 or, you could search on the pre..... Oct 18 02:48:39 there is boatloads of crap Oct 18 02:48:41 and use novacom to get it. Oct 18 02:48:56 find / | grep carrier Oct 18 02:49:11 "com_palm_data_carriernetworksettings_CarrierNetworkSettings" Oct 18 02:49:12 there is indeed oil Oct 18 02:49:27 seeeeee... We knew you could do it Oct 18 02:49:36 heheh Oct 18 02:49:48 actually this was copy pasted fvrom somewhere Oct 18 02:49:59 google is your friend Oct 18 02:50:12 actually from here Oct 18 02:50:14 before Oct 18 02:50:18 i saved it Oct 18 02:50:19 :) Oct 18 02:50:33 the problem is when i extract the jar file the first time Oct 18 02:50:52 i have com > palm> but then i have nova and novacom Oct 18 02:50:54 no data **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Oct 18 02:59:57 2009