**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Oct 29 02:59:57 2009 Oct 29 03:50:57 rwhitby: ping Oct 29 04:02:39 night Oct 29 04:06:40 night Oct 29 04:20:07 oil ping Oct 29 04:25:16 ? Oct 29 04:56:12 +egaudet, i sent you a pm at precentral with that image for the patch we talked about yesterday and i just wanted to make sure you got it. Oct 29 05:00:06 wow, kinda quiet around here Oct 29 05:03:05 rwhitby: ping Oct 29 05:03:37 prestonjames: We got it. We are working on the best way to implement image replacement into the AutoPatch technology. Oct 29 05:04:14 We have delayed it till tomorrow. We have a good idea of how we are going to do it, but it's not finalized yet. Oct 29 05:04:28 ok, thanks. i really didn't mean for you guys to do a lot of extra work. Oct 29 05:07:14 prestonjames: it's not a lot of extra work. It's also something that needs to be done anyway. Oct 29 05:07:32 Because it is something we can incorporate into a universal theme system. Oct 29 05:09:33 i still appreciate how easy it is to get help from you guys. I wouldn't be able to get my patch idea out there without all the assistance. Oct 29 05:10:24 Well that is our goal. To better the ecosystem. Oct 29 05:10:34 BTW: i have you patch installed manually. Oct 29 05:10:37 It's great. Oct 29 05:11:50 i'm glad you like it. i just think it makes the whole interface a little slicker. Oct 29 05:12:04 ? Oct 29 05:13:16 lol Oct 29 05:13:20 that was forever of a reply Oct 29 05:13:41 but does the DESC in Preware render html? Oct 29 05:13:49 like can I have html code in the desc? Oct 29 05:13:53 yyou mean from when you pinged me? Oct 29 05:13:57 or will it take \n or \r\n Oct 29 05:14:04 like when i said '?' right after you posted it? Oct 29 05:14:10 oh yeaqh Oct 29 05:14:10 that question mark was asking what his patch was Oct 29 05:14:13 that's what i meant Oct 29 05:14:23 it can have html in it Oct 29 05:14:24 his patch is No Launcher Bar Oct 29 05:14:42 idk about newlines Oct 29 05:14:49 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Image:App-launcher-no-quick-launcher-1.jpg Oct 29 05:14:51 you could always just use
s if it doesnt work Oct 29 05:14:54 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Image:App-launcher-no-quick-launcher-2.png Oct 29 05:15:02 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Image:App-launcher-no-quick-launcher-3.jpg Oct 29 05:15:09 that's preston's Oct 29 05:15:38 ah Oct 29 05:16:24 i like it Oct 29 05:16:45 I do too Oct 29 05:17:41 However, I think the Wave Launcher can be a little funny in general. Oct 29 05:17:57 I sometimes have a hard time getting one of the options pushed Oct 29 05:18:59 oil: so if you have packages A and B. B depends on A, but A doesn't depend on B. Oct 29 05:19:12 oil: If you remove A, will it remove B? Oct 29 05:19:23 there is no bulk removal Oct 29 05:19:33 it wont let you remove hte package that another package you have installed depends on Oct 29 05:19:40 but if you try to install B without A being installed, it isntalls both? Oct 29 05:19:45 right Oct 29 05:20:09 then it won't let you REMOVE a package if there are other packages that depend on it Oct 29 05:20:16 right Oct 29 05:20:18 K Oct 29 05:26:35 mrvc: long time no see Oct 29 05:27:05 rwhitby: hi there! Oct 29 05:27:10 yes indeed Oct 29 05:27:42 I've been too busy with work stuff to even visit Oct 29 05:27:52 but finally there is a break Oct 29 05:28:12 what's been happening? Oct 29 05:28:37 I tried to git pull terminal changes, but it looks like it has been moved Oct 29 05:29:39 rwhitby I want to run our idea by you real quick, then I'm off to bed. Oct 29 05:30:09 mrvc: git.webos-internals.org Oct 29 05:30:16 dBsooner: shoot Oct 29 05:30:37 mrvc: patches and themes in Preware since you last visited I think Oct 29 05:30:44 Have Makefile sed replace variable EXTRA_FILES= in *_extra Oct 29 05:30:52 mrvc: and Preware is so popular people are now cloning it ... Oct 29 05:31:15 lol, thats one way to look at it Oct 29 05:31:43 mrvc: i wouldnt bother too much with terminal Oct 29 05:31:57 mrvc: ameng got directfb working cards Oct 29 05:32:04 s/*_extra/postinst/ Oct 29 05:32:04 dBsooner meant: Have Makefile sed replace variable EXTRA_FILES= in postinst Oct 29 05:32:07 just need to get input working properly with it Oct 29 05:32:11 Stugots: oh yeah? nice Oct 29 05:32:30 then we get things like fbterm Oct 29 05:33:00 Stugots: so, not working completely yet? Oct 29 05:33:12 then after we do all the other checks in postinst and before we actually backup the patched files and apply the patch, we go ahead and check if the image file(s) being replaced have been backed up to .webosinternals.orig already. Oct 29 05:33:38 If it has, we error out. If it hasn't, then we back it up and then replace the image and then continue on the patch install. Oct 29 05:33:48 basically we are doing it to stay out of _extra. Oct 29 05:34:13 mrvc: graphics are, input isnt Oct 29 05:34:39 btw, rwhitby there are some nasty errors in the XML parsing on autobuilder Oct 29 05:34:50 canuck software and precentral both Oct 29 05:35:40 xml.sax._exceptions.SAXParseException: ../../downloads/canuck-software-feed.xml:69:21: not well-formed (invalid token) Oct 29 05:36:08 Stugots: dfbadapter.git? Oct 29 05:36:19 then I think a theme has an parentheses in the title Oct 29 05:36:33 yep it does Oct 29 05:36:35 mrvc: there are a couple of pieces Oct 29 05:36:42 sh: -c: line 0: `curl -R -L -o zips/net.precentral.themes.inspi(red)_0.5_all.zip http://www.precentral.net/sites/precentral.net/files/webos-themes/themezip/Inspired-Pre_2.zip' Oct 29 05:36:49 and then another with an apostrophe Oct 29 05:36:57 mrvc: that could be the plugin part Oct 29 05:37:02 and then another with parentheses. Oct 29 05:37:08 there is a new directfb module that talks to the plugin Oct 29 05:37:11 using fifos i think Oct 29 05:37:23 or sockets Oct 29 05:37:24 idk Oct 29 05:37:43 Stugots: mrvc: there is a working input driver, we only need to figure out the keymap/mouse mapping schema Oct 29 05:38:08 dBsooner: the idea looks sound - if egaudet is good then I am good. Oct 29 05:38:26 rwhitby: We wanted to take it by you Oct 29 05:38:37 the other idea was to put it all in _extra Oct 29 05:38:41 few days ago I got mouse left button works correct Oct 29 05:38:45 dBsooner: basically, you're just adding extra files to the autopatch set, right? Oct 29 05:38:47 but we are trying to keep it safe for future Oct 29 05:38:48 ameng: last change 5 weeks ago? Oct 29 05:38:54 yes Oct 29 05:39:08 dBsooner: so EPR will fix up the images too, correct? Oct 29 05:39:11 rwhitby: yes. Oct 29 05:39:19 rwhitby: if a file is already backed up, it errors. Oct 29 05:39:20 sounds like the right solution to me. Oct 29 05:39:26 mrvc: there is a directfb module for hidd (palms input daemon) that we dont know how to use that I think would be the best solution Oct 29 05:39:30 so it won't backup a modified file Oct 29 05:39:30 right - that's like a patch conflict Oct 29 05:39:35 exactly. Oct 29 05:39:36 mrvc: but for now we should be able to get intput like u did in termplugin Oct 29 05:39:53 dBsooner: so themes should be able to be done in the same way, right? Oct 29 05:40:00 Exactly. Oct 29 05:40:02 mrvc: i did not push recent work, have got gtk built on top of it . and a gnome game same-gnome can run Oct 29 05:40:19 dBsooner: 2 birds, one stone, dead. Oct 29 05:40:29 Yep. Oct 29 05:40:34 ameng: very nice Oct 29 05:40:34 That is why we wanted to think it through fully. Oct 29 05:40:47 because what we decide here will affect prethemer Oct 29 05:41:11 So we are going to sleep on it and see if there are any other options or any drawbacks to doing it this way. Oct 29 05:41:27 We also had the idea of having the Patch package and a Image package. Oct 29 05:41:34 But the way DEPENDS work, that's not valid. Oct 29 05:41:57 mrvc: I want to add gesture support to control the graphic , the gtk apps always have bigger window size than the screen Oct 29 05:42:49 anyone actively working on fbterm with it? Oct 29 05:42:49 rwhitby: can you fix the autobuilder to escape special characters on those xml's? Oct 29 05:43:09 fb = suck.. = facebook. xD j/k Oct 29 05:43:27 mrvc: i use the exsiting dfbterm Oct 29 05:43:35 dBsooner: probably Oct 29 05:43:42 nothing need to be mod Oct 29 05:44:14 rwhitby: This is why Precentral should have made their galleries not accept special chars. Oct 29 05:44:28 ameng: ok, so the keyboard input is working well enough for it to be usable? Oct 29 05:45:15 oil: you toying with the idea of creating a download cache for icons/screenshots? To maybe improve load time? Oct 29 05:45:16 mrvc: now only mapped letter and digital keys Oct 29 05:49:34 dBsooner: no, im not Oct 29 05:51:50 rwhitby: looks like i need to publish an ssh key for git access? Oct 29 05:52:18 mrvc: email it to me Oct 29 05:52:36 oil: Installer 0.0.2 released Oct 29 05:52:48 rwhitby: i saw Oct 29 05:53:03 I'm writing a review right now ;-) Oct 29 05:53:06 the only change is that he upgraded to 0.9.5 Oct 29 05:53:10 then changed the name again Oct 29 05:55:23 rwhitby: coming your way Oct 29 05:57:12 there was a release of Installer W/O an update to Preware? Oct 29 05:57:13 wowsers Oct 29 05:57:51 no Oct 29 05:57:53 oh.. he upgraded to 0.9.5 Oct 29 05:57:56 right Oct 29 05:58:03 and removed the help scene Oct 29 05:58:06 only from the main scene Oct 29 05:58:08 nice Oct 29 05:58:11 so you can still get to it elsewhere Oct 29 05:58:26 you do a diff on the two builds? Oct 29 05:58:39 i wrote all the code Oct 29 05:58:42 i know Oct 29 05:58:43 i can tell just by looking at it Oct 29 05:59:05 I just figure you could do a diff on the two directories and get an instant output of exactly what was changed Oct 29 05:59:34 * dBsooner is going to make Prewarez Oct 29 05:59:44 and when we release 0.9.6, he will release 0.0.3 Oct 29 05:59:50 with no changes but the name and icon again Oct 29 06:00:09 but he'll make false claims Oct 29 06:01:02 he already claimed to have added a feature Oct 29 06:01:05 but its not in it Oct 29 06:01:15 and he says he is going to add background updating Oct 29 06:01:24 probably because the option is there but disabled Oct 29 06:01:42 lol Oct 29 06:01:54 oh Oct 29 06:01:58 and he is going to speed it up Oct 29 06:02:01 can't forget that one Oct 29 06:02:04 yeah Oct 29 06:02:19 but hes "learning" and "figured Preware branch was a good place to start" Oct 29 06:02:30 right Oct 29 06:02:31 Yeah, let's start with one of the more complex programs. Oct 29 06:02:38 instead of hello world Oct 29 06:02:41 Forget Hello World or tic tac toe. Oct 29 06:04:24 ah well Oct 29 06:04:32 /bin/sh: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `<' Oct 29 06:04:33 /bin/sh: -c: line 0: `/bin/echo -n ""This will add commands to Universal Search.

Type '.calc 2 + 5' to calculate something.
Type '.dict affluent' or '.thes wealthy' to look up a word.
Type '.memo I like pie.' to create a new memo.
And more! Type '.help' for a list of commands.
NOTE: To make certain commands such as '.memo' work, you must install separate packages such as the 'USCL Memos Patch' wh Oct 29 06:04:33 ich patches the Memos application. If you get an error message such as 'The application %s is not configured for the Universal Search Command Line' or a command such as '.memo' is missing when you type '.help, that's your cue to do so."" >> build/all/CONTROL/control' Oct 29 06:04:49 Build script doesn't like <>'s Oct 29 06:05:04 whats with the double quotes? Oct 29 06:05:17 I I don't know Oct 29 06:05:23 that's what I have been trying to tell people Oct 29 06:05:30 but no one listens Oct 29 06:05:43 it shouldnt have double quotes Oct 29 06:05:44 lol Oct 29 06:05:50 I know Oct 29 06:05:59 let me look at the actual build script Oct 29 06:06:04 and fix it myself Oct 29 06:07:38 rwhitby: did you get my email? Oct 29 06:09:01 rwhitby: doesn't matter right now -- I need to get some sleep Oct 29 06:09:40 later everyone Oct 29 06:10:52 mrvc-sleep: got it, but was busy writing http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2004738&posted=1#post2004738 Oct 29 06:11:10 hi guys. Oct 29 06:11:20 Tired. very very tired..... Oct 29 06:11:27 rwhitby: your #3 Oct 29 06:11:36 it was changed to cookies in unreleased code Oct 29 06:11:45 i mean Oct 29 06:11:47 c) Oct 29 06:11:52 * Stugots was about to go to bed but will now stay up for rick stories Oct 29 06:12:10 hmmmmmm Oct 29 06:12:13 let's see... Oct 29 06:12:28 Did the crowd enjoy WebOS-Internals? Oct 29 06:12:45 "crowd" of 25 to 30 Oct 29 06:12:50 lol Oct 29 06:12:54 thats no good Oct 29 06:13:05 better than 0 or 1 Oct 29 06:13:13 including the guys from webos-school, roy, Saurik, My chief programmer John, Oct 29 06:13:20 no palm folks, no sprint folks.... Oct 29 06:13:22 oil: th Oct 29 06:13:40 rwhitby: that's cool... I know you are busy Oct 29 06:13:51 mrvc-sleep: doing it now. Oct 29 06:13:52 i dont know what you're refering to in the pkg-view assistant Oct 29 06:13:57 but honestly, it's better than the prediction I had which was 5 to 10 Oct 29 06:13:59 but it may be something else that i added post 095 Oct 29 06:14:11 oil: he missed one of the dependendents spelling fixes Oct 29 06:14:18 ah Oct 29 06:14:47 NO sessions were well attended by my expectations except HTC's android herogiv away. Oct 29 06:14:50 Uh, Oct 29 06:14:58 Blackberry was giving away tours. Oct 29 06:15:13 There were 125 in line for them. They went in, got the phone, left. Oct 29 06:15:20 Keynotes were under-subscribed... Oct 29 06:15:23 figures Oct 29 06:15:34 mrvc-sleep: done Oct 29 06:15:51 all in all, it wasn't a great statement of support for Sprint. They were configured for a conference perhaps twice the size of what they got. Oct 29 06:16:11 and that shapes expectations when the rooms are just --- too big --- Oct 29 06:16:12 ooops. Oct 29 06:16:42 So the turnout was a lot less than expected. Oct 29 06:17:09 probably half what they hoped for. Oct 29 06:17:13 Wow. Oct 29 06:17:22 1200 registered. Oct 29 06:17:32 I suspect their expectations were silly. Oct 29 06:17:54 and that's based on meal counts vs actual box lunchs picked up. Just a wild guess. Oct 29 06:18:00 It probably cost them more than they received. Oct 29 06:18:06 To rent the Convention center, etc. Oct 29 06:18:20 but I think that actual attendance of 700 or so against 1200 registrations is going to be about right. Oct 29 06:18:43 of course, the old-time java-me phone people didn't set in the smartphone sessions, and the smartphone people vice versa Oct 29 06:18:51 so, the two groups did NOT interact. Oct 29 06:18:58 it was weird. Oct 29 06:19:32 The old line folks were -not- happy with sprints "open" claims. Oct 29 06:19:44 on the other hand, it's pretty cool. Oct 29 06:19:58 rwhitby: thanks Oct 29 06:20:02 for the smartphone people that is Oct 29 06:20:07 rwhitby: I was able to pull terminal Oct 29 06:20:14 rwhitby: but not termplugin Oct 29 06:20:33 $ git pull git@git.webos-internals.org:/plugins.git master Oct 29 06:20:34 fatal: Not a git repository Oct 29 06:20:41 no new news from Palm. That is, assuming you heard yesterdays announcement by Dion that they Oct 29 06:20:49 Rick_work: if i were you i would have been a little pissed at the lack of support from the palm/sprint Oct 29 06:20:52 are in process of bringing webos up to webkit trunk. Oct 29 06:20:55 rwhitby: sorry, wrong line Oct 29 06:20:58 since they invited you i would have expected some of them to attend Oct 29 06:21:14 mrvc-sleep: git@git.webos-internals.org:plugins/termplugin.git Oct 29 06:21:17 oil Oct 29 06:21:17 PuffTheMagic I was kinda glad to be honest. Oct 29 06:21:21 $ git pull git@git.webos-internals.org:/plugins/termplugin.git master Oct 29 06:21:21 fatal: Not a git repository Oct 29 06:21:29 Rick_work: why Oct 29 06:21:30 Can you lock the scene during update/load? Oct 29 06:21:39 it let me speak more freely without checking their faces as I talked for reaction. Oct 29 06:21:55 lock the scene? Oct 29 06:22:00 Since the video and the transcript and the ppt will be posted on sprints Open Dev web site, in the long term, this is a good thing. Oct 29 06:22:06 not allow the menu to be accessed Oct 29 06:22:22 menu->update then menu->update again while its updating = bad Oct 29 06:22:35 depends on when they do it Oct 29 06:22:37 Rick_work: I suspect Palm and Sprint did not attend specifically to allow you to talk freely. Oct 29 06:22:43 its not always bad Oct 29 06:22:49 you can do it if its stuck and itl start working Oct 29 06:22:51 Rick_work: If I was them, that's what I would have done. Oct 29 06:23:03 well, it was pretty free. Oct 29 06:23:05 :-) Oct 29 06:23:20 I had one -very very good- question from the audience. Oct 29 06:23:23 rwhitby: they told him to promote services and plugins Oct 29 06:23:30 mm... /me LOVES depends Oct 29 06:23:34 what else are we doing that they could get upset about Oct 29 06:23:35 PuffTheMagic: correct - that's why they didn't attend Oct 29 06:23:38 or "not want to hear" Oct 29 06:23:54 PuffTheMagic: they are not upset about anything - they have publicly stated they are very happy with what we do Oct 29 06:24:00 rwhitby: git pull git@git.webos-internals.org:plugins/termplugin.git master Oct 29 06:24:00 fatal: Not a git repository Oct 29 06:24:22 PuffTheMagic: but they cannot support any of it officially, and being there would invite people to ask them to do so Oct 29 06:24:29 nodnod Oct 29 06:24:35 it's a no-win situation for them to place themselves in Oct 29 06:24:44 they didn't want anyone to turn around in the room and ask THEM about what I was talking about Oct 29 06:24:50 Rick_work: exactly Oct 29 06:24:58 things like preware, feeds, terminal, linux access.... Oct 29 06:24:59 what good is telling haveing someone give a talk about all the stuff that palm cant really support Oct 29 06:25:08 lot of good Puff. Oct 29 06:25:37 ask Jay (Saurik) some time what his chances of being asked to speak at an apple or ATT conference is..... Oct 29 06:25:40 no company is gonna waste time making a plugin/service if they cant get it on the palm via palm catalog Oct 29 06:25:53 wanna bet? Oct 29 06:25:58 PuffTheMagic: companies already do. Oct 29 06:26:01 Ryan, I have $5 on that. Oct 29 06:26:18 nodnod and I can name 3. Oct 29 06:26:30 your company dont count ;) Oct 29 06:26:36 fine. I can name 3 Oct 29 06:26:46 two I met this afternoon. Oct 29 06:26:56 anyway, so, best question from the audiance.... Oct 29 06:27:02 Rick_work: yes? Oct 29 06:27:25 rwhitby: crap, sorry -- didn't init it Oct 29 06:27:25 3 companies is huge... i can see the flood of apps comming already Oct 29 06:27:31 "So, if webos is css and html and javascript, and if palm says that they have their source in javascript and you can read it and see the apps and everything Oct 29 06:27:32 rwhitby: a bit rusty Oct 29 06:27:40 mrvc-sleep: git@git.webos-internals.org:plugins/termplugin.git is the URL Oct 29 06:27:43 that means that if I write webos stuff, people can see my source and stuff. Oct 29 06:27:53 Are you serious? Oct 29 06:27:56 that was a question? Oct 29 06:27:58 yep. Oct 29 06:28:08 "Next question." Oct 29 06:28:15 you will love hearing my answer.... Oct 29 06:28:19 when you see the vid Oct 29 06:28:21 :-) Oct 29 06:28:24 fair question from a mobile developer Oct 29 06:28:30 I looked at him and said "Yep." Oct 29 06:28:32 It is a fair question. Oct 29 06:28:33 Rick_work: when's the vid up? Oct 29 06:28:39 don't know Oct 29 06:28:50 so I said "yes" and looked at him... Oct 29 06:28:55 and he squirmed for a bit... Oct 29 06:28:58 But the title of his seminar was "Open Source Development" Oct 29 06:29:16 and I explained that my day-job involves writing payroll and accounting and time and billing software, Oct 29 06:29:28 and that for the last 25 years, we have bought source code from vendors, Oct 29 06:29:34 and then sold source code to clients Oct 29 06:29:38 and modified source code, Oct 29 06:29:45 and that the clients paid us for the source Oct 29 06:29:47 and for our mods Oct 29 06:29:51 and got all the source Oct 29 06:29:58 and that it was all, ALWAYS open Oct 29 06:30:02 but never free. Oct 29 06:30:07 * rwhitby would love to see a Rick_work talk some time :-) Oct 29 06:30:07 because programmers gotta eat. Oct 29 06:30:26 I waxed eloquent.... Oct 29 06:30:30 and enthusiastic Oct 29 06:30:45 and I pointed out that for 25 years, the community around accounting software Oct 29 06:31:20 had shared code, and when I used Dwight's payroll mods, i paid him, and when he used my time billing mods, he paid me, and the customer paid for everything, and everyone ate, and everyone had what they wanted Oct 29 06:31:30 and we each improved the other's code Oct 29 06:31:39 and it was and is a COMMUNITY of developers and customers Oct 29 06:31:42 interacting. Oct 29 06:31:51 that open doesn't have to mean free. Oct 29 06:31:57 and open doesn't have to mean the wild west Oct 29 06:32:11 and open doesn't have to mean that there is no CONTROL but rather that the control is transparent Oct 29 06:32:17 and predicatable and clear. Oct 29 06:32:27 GOD was it fun. Oct 29 06:32:31 ------- Oct 29 06:33:01 which lead to the next question. Oct 29 06:33:53 "so, what if someone produces the app that makes you squirm." What if someone submits truely pornographic themes for the pre onto a feed, or "my spammer" or something? What will the community do? Oct 29 06:34:14 thinking fast on my feet, I answered it..... Oct 29 06:34:28 The community will find a way to deal with it. Oct 29 06:34:32 two things. Oct 29 06:35:11 No feed distributor _has_ to cary any particular program. Copyright violations, pure porn, evil apps can, and will be pulled from feeds produced by people who have morals and standards. Oct 29 06:35:27 Rick_work: does palm has a plan to offer a NDK? Oct 29 06:35:40 On the other hand, pornographers, and evil app distributors and copyright violators can set up their OWN feeds..... Oct 29 06:36:05 * oil adds porn feed to his preware Oct 29 06:36:09 Preware won't AUTO list them, but you can go in and add a feed. If you CHOOSE to add "my pornography inc" that's not my problem. Oct 29 06:36:22 ---- You all may disagree, but I was on the spot, and that's what I said. Oct 29 06:36:29 Yep, i'm ready for that one. Oct 29 06:36:40 anyway.. I am off to bed. Oct 29 06:36:46 ameng I am not surewhat you mean by an NDK Oct 29 06:36:53 though, we need to finish the adding/deleting of feeds in teh service Oct 29 06:37:14 rwhitby: You got my list. Those unescaped special chars in the feeds causing autobuilder to break. And then a hostmask cloak. :D Oct 29 06:37:49 the unescaped special chars is causing false positives for updates in preware. Oct 29 06:38:10 and even one of mine says there is an update, but then gives error 404 when it tries to download the update. Oct 29 06:38:35 http://www.webospornfeed.com oil Oct 29 06:38:49 Rick_work: Native (c/c++) development kit Oct 29 06:38:57 ahhhhh Oct 29 06:39:00 we should register webosfeed.com Oct 29 06:39:04 or webos-feed.com Oct 29 06:39:35 ameng -- certainly not soon. Oct 29 06:39:35 webos-internals.webosfeed.com, webos-patches.webosfeed.com, webos-porn.webosfeed.com Oct 29 06:40:00 Rick_work: you mean they will ? Oct 29 06:40:24 ameng, they are talking about webgl, javascript 1.5, css transitions and animations, and webkit 4, extended api's... Oct 29 06:40:35 Rick_work: that was the right answer to the question Oct 29 06:40:49 all those things have to happen for the os to become stable BEFORE they will announce anyhting about binary. Oct 29 06:41:25 awww, that page doesn't exist Oct 29 06:41:28 * oil is sad now Oct 29 06:41:35 thanks rwhitby I tried. I felt good about that answer. Free and open doesn't mean no control. but if you CHOOSE to shoot yourself in the foot, I will defend your right to buy the gun and do it. Oct 29 06:41:55 Rick_work: I had a similar discussion with PuffTheMagic earlier :-) Oct 29 06:42:39 I am not surprised. Oct 29 06:42:48 I'm off to bed now. Oct 29 06:42:51 night ya'll. Oct 29 06:43:05 not exactly Oct 29 06:43:59 Note that that means, that Aunt Minnie should be able to safely get an app that _I_ sign my name to. Preware is safe to run. But it's safe to run in the same sense that a bottle of Acetomeniphen is safe to run, or 20 cm kitchen knife. Oct 29 06:44:36 1000 mg of tylenol, no problem. 20,000 mg of tylenol, dead of liver failure. Oct 29 06:45:08 point preware at "Evils apps are us" feed, and I make no guarantee... Oct 29 06:46:42 right. Preware the application will install anything you configure it to access. preware.org the list of feeds will not knowingly compromise security. Oct 29 06:50:03 and we should finish the adding/deleting of feeds Oct 29 06:50:24 right - they can do it manually right now, we can make it convenient Oct 29 06:55:17 most of the code is already in preware Oct 29 06:55:25 just gotta get the service using the addition/removal confirmation Oct 29 08:07:36 hey oil Oct 29 08:07:44 guess what freakout got Oct 29 08:07:55 (no, it ain't my damn pre) Oct 29 08:07:55 your mankinni? Oct 29 08:07:58 lol Oct 29 08:08:00 Better Oct 29 08:08:09 An invitation to the closed beta of Star Trek Online :) Oct 29 08:08:24 oh shit Oct 29 08:08:27 U.S.S. Aluminum Onion, here comes Cap'n Freakout! Oct 29 08:08:35 oh shit? Oct 29 08:08:35 * oil signed up, but apparently hasn't been selected yet Oct 29 08:08:38 lol Oct 29 08:08:44 what can i say, except.... Oct 29 08:08:48 nerny-nerny ner ner!! Oct 29 08:08:49 you Oct 29 08:08:52 :p :p :p Oct 29 08:08:52 you stfu! Oct 29 08:09:02 Dude Oct 29 08:09:07 I can't participate in the test tomorrow night Oct 29 08:09:12 6pm to 8pm PDT Oct 29 08:09:29 That's midnight Friday night here in Oz and I'll be at a halloween party Oct 29 08:09:35 If you want, you can use my account Oct 29 08:09:41 oh shit Oct 29 08:09:46 im sure thats against the rules Oct 29 08:09:48 lol Oct 29 08:09:54 i won't tell if you won't Oct 29 08:10:30 lol Oct 29 08:10:35 naw, its cool Oct 29 08:10:39 ill wait ;( Oct 29 08:10:54 heh. Can't be too much longer, this is the fifth test anyway Oct 29 08:11:11 Have to DL a 5GB client. I let my PC do it today while I was at work, i'm just about to dive in Oct 29 08:11:19 see if it actually lets me do anything before the server is up Oct 29 08:11:37 I shall report any goodness/suckiness. later Oct 29 08:15:37 hrm. Oct 29 08:20:40 I swear to god, your awesome present better ship tomorrow freak, or we're goin' raidin' Oct 29 08:30:33 the sto beta will keep him busy till it shows up Oct 29 08:37:44 lingfish: yep, I'm pretty impatient too dammit. Oct 29 08:38:03 oil: nothing to report. You can't login yet, i won't be able to login till tomorrow night Oct 29 08:38:10 Is leaving a party to play an MMO anti-social? Oct 29 08:38:19 I shall ruminate on it. I'm off to climbing Oct 29 08:41:50 its probably anti-social Oct 29 09:11:51 heh Oct 29 09:15:46 im sad one of my monitors is on the fritz ;( Oct 29 09:16:30 of course it happens 2 months out of warranty.... Oct 29 09:16:44 ouch Oct 29 09:16:46 sorry oil :( Oct 29 09:16:47 hate that Oct 29 09:16:58 :/ Oct 29 09:17:05 gonna call tomorrow to see if its worth it to send it in for fixin Oct 29 09:17:08 or just buy another one Oct 29 09:17:28 it was definitely the 'cheap' model when i bought it Oct 29 09:17:34 so i wasn't expecting too much out of it Oct 29 09:18:07 $300 28inch widescreen Oct 29 09:18:33 to go between my two 19s Oct 29 09:18:36 lol Oct 29 11:22:47 * rwhitby found the palm demo Oct 29 11:23:02 Type ##DEMO#, but be prepared for all your settings to be wiped ... Oct 29 11:25:23 sounds awesome Oct 29 11:25:25 trying it Oct 29 11:25:34 zomg all my settings got wiped! Oct 29 11:26:17 Lots of interesting stuff in DialStringParser.js ... Oct 29 11:26:40 ##8378# for diagnostic tests Oct 29 11:27:54 ##5647# for some sort of log collection stuff Oct 29 11:28:26 including the way to turn off RDXD uploads ... Oct 29 11:28:51 bpadalino: palm said they'd love to fix that wrong-day calendar bug ... Oct 29 11:29:02 bpadalino: if you wanna make your birthday calendar public, they might just track it down and fix it Oct 29 11:29:12 bpadalino: http://forums.palm.com/palm/board/message?board.id=webossoftware&thread.id=10763 <-- Oct 29 11:31:34 * rwhitby will play with that stuff some more tomorrow ... Oct 29 11:31:37 * rwhitby bbt Oct 29 11:38:28 dBsooner-ZzZ: http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/211623-youtube-download-app-2.html please add Oct 29 12:26:43 rwhitby: are you putting these on the wiki so I can bookmark them to check out later? Oct 29 12:30:59 Palm need to fix the Melbourne vs Sydney timezone bug. Oct 29 12:36:17 I do wonder about their lack of bug reporting... forums? That they never read or respond to? Peh. Oct 29 12:36:35 they should have a bugzilla Oct 29 12:36:42 100% agree. Oct 29 12:37:04 Some form of bug tracking.... it would put them SO far ahead of any other co. out there. Oct 29 12:37:19 right Oct 29 12:37:42 That is truly open source, sans open sourcing all of the codebase. Oct 29 12:38:17 Shit, let the users, not a bunch of limited testers, feedback. Yes, there are a majority of morons who can't even post requested info in bug reports, but yeah... Oct 29 12:39:43 Anyhow, thus ends my rant ;) Oct 29 12:45:54 jettero, unfortunately it's a private one .. Oct 29 12:46:16 i will look into a public one that is also off Oct 29 12:47:57 jettero, my events are recurring as well - and go on forever since it's a birthday calendar ... i wonder if that has something to do with it Oct 29 12:58:50 bpadalino: I do think so. later I'm likely to create a public calendar and try adding removing adding removing rebuilding... maybe I can reproduce it. Oct 29 13:07:24 seems there *are* applications that do voip on the pre, so somehow they must be integrating nicely with the mic Oct 29 13:08:14 en0x: sent message to Jason Oct 29 13:08:42 thats a nice patch anyway Oct 29 13:08:49 Yeah, looks good. Oct 29 13:10:25 lingfish: problem with bug reports is that they show problems with the code Oct 29 13:13:07 One of the patches has broken my alarm when it's on the touchstone. Oct 29 13:13:10 I have to figure that out Oct 29 13:13:23 But I am off to work now Oct 29 15:00:59 egaudet: http://webos.pastebin.com/m63db7603 Oct 29 15:16:47 morning Oct 29 15:17:16 good morning all Oct 29 15:23:20 egaudet_work: http://webos.pastebin.com/m63db7603 Oct 29 15:23:37 Rod said it sounded like the best idea Oct 29 15:23:48 He said "If Eric's good with it, then so am I" Oct 29 15:31:51 I think I want to verify EXTRA_FILES only contains images Oct 29 15:33:09 i was thinking that too Oct 29 15:33:33 but EXTRA_FILES is in postinst Oct 29 15:33:49 so anyone could theoretically change the code and just add extensions Oct 29 15:34:00 I was going to do: Oct 29 15:34:29 EXT_LIST = jpg, png, bmp Oct 29 15:34:43 then get the ext of $file using basename Oct 29 15:35:26 and if [ ! grep $ext $EXT_LIST ] then do_failure fi Oct 29 15:35:42 how come options in preware are not persistent when viewing "all" Oct 29 15:35:51 anyone could create their own postinst too Oct 29 15:36:01 true Oct 29 15:36:26 it's the matter of it's supposed to be used by multiple parties, so make it simplest and robust with specific usage Oct 29 15:37:20 If we say the intended usage is to add extra image files to this variable, it's better to protect against errors or misunderstandings by checking for it Oct 29 15:37:44 whereas we aren't saying to change anything else as intended usage, so that's not our fault if someone modifies the postinst to do something wrong Oct 29 15:38:25 does Pre support bmp? Oct 29 15:39:39 i don't know Oct 29 15:40:05 http://forums.precentral.net/gsm-pre/210321-how-permanently-change-qwertz-azerty-qwerty-keyboard-mapping.html Oct 29 15:40:15 wrong window Oct 29 15:41:51 I think it's just jpg and png Oct 29 15:45:26 egaudet_work: http://webos.pastebin.com/m4bdc108c Oct 29 15:46:31 we will need to have prerm and ipkg -o /var remove run on do_failure Oct 29 15:46:38 can't use grep like that Oct 29 15:46:43 in case the for loop fails in the 2nd or 3rd run Oct 29 15:46:46 sure you can Oct 29 15:46:51 grep -q then Oct 29 15:46:55 it will check for filename of what's in EXT_LIST Oct 29 15:47:52 no i don't like ipkg remove and prerm in the postinst Oct 29 15:48:01 no it won't Oct 29 15:48:04 split into 2 loops Oct 29 15:48:10 it's grep Oct 29 15:48:18 filename = (basename $file) Oct 29 15:48:24 ext=${filename##*.} Oct 29 15:48:35 if [ ! grep $ext $EXT_LIST ] Oct 29 15:48:41 it is going to come down to "grep png jpg png" Oct 29 15:48:43 and jpg is not a file Oct 29 15:48:58 you can do echo $EXT_LIST | grep $ext Oct 29 15:49:05 oh Oct 29 15:49:06 i see Oct 29 15:49:20 that's what i will do Oct 29 15:49:38 if [ ! echo $EXT_LIST | grep $ext ] then Oct 29 15:51:16 if [ ! `echo $EXT_LIST | grep $ext` ] then Oct 29 15:51:29 i forgot the `'s Oct 29 15:51:34 I couldn't find them Oct 29 15:51:38 the key on this laptop. ;) Oct 29 15:54:28 and split it to 2 loops Oct 29 15:54:44 first loop verifies all images, 2nd loop does stuff Oct 29 15:55:04 why? Oct 29 15:55:11 and you can use != rather than ! a = b Oct 29 15:55:25 so that backup files aren't created when it will throw an error Oct 29 15:55:25 it will run two for i in $EXTRA_FILES in a row Oct 29 15:55:35 if the 8th file is not an image, 7 images are already backed up but the postinst will error Oct 29 15:55:43 ahh.. good point. Oct 29 15:55:43 dBsooner-work, yea 2 in a row I know Oct 29 15:55:51 good point Oct 29 15:55:58 see.. that's why we test this shiit Oct 29 15:56:19 we haven't tested anything yet lol Oct 29 15:56:37 i know Oct 29 15:56:57 I meant to say, "that's why we have two people looking over this shiiit Oct 29 15:57:54 so you mean if [ a != b ]? Oct 29 15:58:06 yea Oct 29 15:58:16 cool, I just found it easier to stick it all the same way Oct 29 15:58:51 it reads easier with not equal, rather than the negation of equal Oct 29 16:01:02 just use the regular postinst's for i in FILE_LIST exactly as is Oct 29 16:01:13 changing FILE_LIST to EXTRA_FILES Oct 29 16:02:02 adding in the copy at the end Oct 29 16:02:16 no Oct 29 16:02:20 can't do that Oct 29 16:02:21 yes Oct 29 16:02:28 can't Oct 29 16:02:29 must do that Oct 29 16:02:40 What if the 3rd image through is already backed up Oct 29 16:02:46 girls, stop arguing Oct 29 16:02:46 it will return failure Oct 29 16:02:57 so it needs to make sure ALL FILES are original first Oct 29 16:03:00 then back them up Oct 29 16:03:03 right Oct 29 16:03:08 so I am making another for loop Oct 29 16:03:10 3 in a row Oct 29 16:03:10 which is in the loop before Oct 29 16:03:10 ;) Oct 29 16:03:13 that does the image verifications Oct 29 16:03:22 then once you get to this loop you know you are good to copy Oct 29 16:03:28 ok Oct 29 16:03:36 2 for loops, not 3 Oct 29 16:03:36 i'll add it into the first loop Oct 29 16:03:41 so 2 loops Oct 29 16:03:45 ok we agreed Oct 29 16:04:25 I'll clean up the postinst too Oct 29 16:04:36 get rid of ipkg remove in do_failure Oct 29 16:05:20 ok Oct 29 16:05:26 here it is Oct 29 16:06:09 http://webos.pastebin.com/m31306cb8 Oct 29 16:06:37 well should we get rid of ipkg remove? Oct 29 16:06:52 no, leave it Oct 29 16:07:07 take off your tabs if you edit these files Oct 29 16:07:10 I stripped out the if statements in the second for loop Oct 29 16:07:17 blah Oct 29 16:07:19 I love tabs Oct 29 16:07:22 nope Oct 29 16:07:30 I have to space? Oct 29 16:07:37 tabs make things look different everywhere you open the damn file Oct 29 16:07:49 use 2 spaces instead of tab Oct 29 16:07:51 so spacebar it is Oct 29 16:08:00 if you are using vim you can set expandtabs Oct 29 16:08:09 i don't use vim Oct 29 16:08:11 and still use the tab key, but not insert \t Oct 29 16:08:12 i use nano. :D Oct 29 16:08:15 vim ftw! Oct 29 16:08:17 well nano must have a way too Oct 29 16:08:31 I'll just get used to hitting space twice Oct 29 16:08:53 I have my vim set up to auto indent too and all the good stuff, so I rarely touch space or tab Oct 29 16:09:11 but anyway, yea I hate looking at files with tab and space mixture Oct 29 16:09:14 you like that last revision? Oct 29 16:09:19 * egaudet_work goes to look at it Oct 29 16:09:58 need to quote EXTRA_FILES Oct 29 16:10:01 I think I should probably take out the || do_failure in the second loop Oct 29 16:10:03 and get rid of } Oct 29 16:10:31 k done Oct 29 16:11:02 filename=`basename $file` not () Oct 29 16:11:14 shoot Oct 29 16:11:26 you're right Oct 29 16:12:39 EXTRA_FILES is a space separated list of files with full path name Oct 29 16:13:57 http://webos.pastebin.com/m29fe34e5 Oct 29 16:14:59 line 11 change to orig file to ! -e instead of -e Oct 29 16:15:04 http://webos.pastebin.com/m38b5cde Oct 29 16:15:21 why you gotta make my shiiit look pretty? Oct 29 16:15:27 and make the line count less Oct 29 16:15:31 lol Oct 29 16:17:58 [ `echo $EXT_LIST | grep $ext` ] && [ -e $file.webosinternals.orig ] || do_failure Oct 29 16:18:04 ! -e Oct 29 16:18:07 so that line means it will evaluate both Oct 29 16:18:26 no, you want it to be -e Oct 29 16:18:30 no Oct 29 16:18:32 ! -e Oct 29 16:18:33 ! -e means the file does NOT exist Oct 29 16:18:36 right Oct 29 16:18:39 which is what we want || fail Oct 29 16:18:44 we DON"T want the file to exist Oct 29 16:18:51 read your last two statements Oct 29 16:19:01 right Oct 29 16:19:05 if the file exists, error Oct 29 16:19:16 ! -e means does NOT exist... we want it to NOT exist... we want ! -e Oct 29 16:19:19 becaues if $file.webosinternals.org Oct 29 16:19:31 yeah you're right Oct 29 16:19:35 I was thinking it was still in the other loop Oct 29 16:19:35 I'm right Oct 29 16:19:48 but anyway Oct 29 16:20:16 it checks both those expressions and if either match, it does do_fialure? Oct 29 16:20:30 not like other programming where && means BOTH must be true Oct 29 16:20:47 then prethemer could grab the postinst, fill in APP_ID, PATCH_NAME and EXTRA_FILES (iff that theme contains a patch) Oct 29 16:21:08 if (($this == 1 && ($that == 2)) { } Oct 29 16:21:28 if $this was 1 and $that was 2, it would do whats in {} Oct 29 16:21:29 && and || are logical statements, the language doesn't change that Oct 29 16:21:43 if $this was 1 and $that was 3, it would't. Oct 29 16:22:10 you have lost me Oct 29 16:22:14 A && B || C Oct 29 16:22:15 nm Oct 29 16:22:17 I just read it Oct 29 16:22:20 it's (A && B) || C Oct 29 16:22:21 I READ it Oct 29 16:22:32 it both aren't true, fail it Oct 29 16:22:38 right Oct 29 16:22:40 i read it Oct 29 16:22:45 I was reading it backwards Oct 29 16:22:46 muh bad Oct 29 16:22:46 did you read it? Oct 29 16:22:51 nope, i READ it Oct 29 16:22:53 lol Oct 29 16:23:52 wait Oct 29 16:23:54 that won't work Oct 29 16:24:30 [ `echo $EXT_LIST | grep $ext` ] && [ ! -e $file.webosinternals.orig ] || do_failure Oct 29 16:24:34 that won't work Oct 29 16:25:25 because if the $ext is css, and the backup file wasn't there.. Oct 29 16:25:59 anyway grep is the wrong thing to us Oct 29 16:26:00 use* Oct 29 16:26:10 lol Oct 29 16:26:26 I knew there was a reason I didn't like grep when you first said it I just couldn't figure it out until now Oct 29 16:26:55 .p, .n, .pn, .j, .jp, .pg, .ng are NOT valid image files but would succeed Oct 29 16:27:04 doh Oct 29 16:27:08 good point Oct 29 16:27:20 and if $ext was css, then the first thing would fail and go to do_failure Oct 29 16:27:26 A && B || C means if A fails, C Oct 29 16:27:28 if B fails, C Oct 29 16:29:22 ahh Oct 29 16:29:27 (A && B) || C Oct 29 16:29:38 would be both must fail to C Oct 29 16:31:11 if [ $ext != "png" || $ext != "jpg"] then do_failure fi Oct 29 16:34:33 shouldn't that be -o? Oct 29 16:34:39 if [ ($ext != "png" || $ext != "jpg") || ! -e $file.webosinternals.orig ] then do_failure fi Oct 29 16:36:40 maybe i can help with some shell scripting? Oct 29 16:37:53 http://webos.pastebin.com/m1518129e Oct 29 16:40:01 that doesn't seem right Oct 29 16:40:14 what do you want to do? Oct 29 16:41:24 what it does Oct 29 16:41:30 # Oct 29 16:41:31 [ "$ext" = "jpg" ] || [ "$ext" = "png" ] && [ ! -e $file.webosinternals.orig ] || do_failure Oct 29 16:41:47 right that's what I want it to do Oct 29 16:42:01 so if it is a jpg you don't fail Oct 29 16:42:03 FAIL if ext is neither jpg/png or if orig exists Oct 29 16:42:21 right Oct 29 16:42:28 but if it is a png it fails if it a backup exists Oct 29 16:42:29 yep Oct 29 16:42:32 that works egaudet_work Oct 29 16:42:42 yep Oct 29 16:42:45 corecode it fails if backup exists no matter jpg or png Oct 29 16:42:55 yep Oct 29 16:42:58 equal precedence Oct 29 16:43:07 I just did a full test on it Oct 29 16:43:13 it works precisely as it should Oct 29 16:43:18 k good Oct 29 16:43:29 touch dummy.jpg Oct 29 16:43:39 made file=dummy.jpg Oct 29 16:43:44 and echo "faile" on do_failure Oct 29 16:43:53 ran it.. came out clean Oct 29 16:43:57 oh wow Oct 29 16:44:05 touched dummy.jpg.webosinternals.orig Oct 29 16:44:07 that's some nice conditional :) Oct 29 16:44:09 ran it.. "Faile" Oct 29 16:44:15 kudos :D Oct 29 16:44:34 changed file=dummy.css Oct 29 16:44:38 ran it. "Failed" Oct 29 16:44:44 So it's clean Oct 29 16:44:57 probably should just split it up though so it can be more readable. Sometimes I condense too much Oct 29 16:45:06 exactly Oct 29 16:45:15 I am a big fan of not condensing so much Oct 29 16:45:17 makes it hard to read Oct 29 16:45:22 but shortens code Oct 29 16:45:34 yes, if [ -e $file....]; then do_failure; fi Oct 29 16:45:50 case $ext in png|jpg) ;; *) do_failure ;; esac Oct 29 16:46:12 my suggestion Oct 29 16:46:19 humble one, at that Oct 29 16:46:23 until i have my pre Oct 29 16:46:23 ahh reminds me.. we probably need to make sure everythings lowercase Oct 29 16:46:32 PNG won't match Oct 29 16:46:51 [pP][nN][gG]|[jJ][pP][gG]) Oct 29 16:46:53 :) Oct 29 16:47:15 not nice to read tho Oct 29 16:47:19 nope Oct 29 16:47:25 but you gotta get rid of caps Oct 29 16:47:30 tis why I love php Oct 29 16:47:35 haha? Oct 29 16:47:36 strtolower($string) Oct 29 16:47:49 just lower case it Oct 29 16:48:39 lowerext=$(printf "%s" $ext | tr [[:upper:]] [[:lower:]]) Oct 29 16:49:55 or, strtolower() { printf "%s" "$1" | tr [[:upper:]] [[:lower:]] }; later, case "$(strtolower "$ext")" in Oct 29 16:50:19 * corecode shuts up Oct 29 16:52:39 re: http://www.precentral.net/music-player-remix-offers-25-key-upgrades Oct 29 16:53:14 I don't understand why it's made such a big deal that it only took two months, he copied palm's app and enhanced it Oct 29 16:53:39 I like remix, but it's really more a set of patches than a new app Oct 29 16:54:24 yep Oct 29 16:54:37 so regarding these patches... Oct 29 16:54:54 i understand that it is not legal to publish palm apps Oct 29 16:55:01 but it seems to be legal to publish patches Oct 29 16:55:20 but don't these patches contain part of the palm code, at least the unified or context patches? Oct 29 16:55:22 its illegal to public palm's code Oct 29 16:55:33 they contain very little Oct 29 16:55:38 then it is okay? Oct 29 16:55:40 just enough to key off of Oct 29 16:55:43 or at least tolerated? Oct 29 16:55:57 yes Oct 29 16:56:09 we're not distibuting an entire palm file Oct 29 16:56:16 isn't that handling with patches a bit bothersome? Oct 29 16:56:36 generally patches have been considered fair use Oct 29 16:56:39 i could imagine a git repo to be more useful Oct 29 16:56:56 corecode: we can't host palm's code Oct 29 16:57:00 i don't mean a git repo with the whole file Oct 29 16:57:01 sure Oct 29 16:57:11 evil idea incoming: Oct 29 16:57:29 what about a git repo with the blob of the palm files removed Oct 29 16:57:35 i.e. a crippled repo Oct 29 16:57:42 but everybody can re-create it Oct 29 16:57:47 using palm files Oct 29 16:58:33 corecode: it's an interesting idea. I've not familiar enough with git to know exactly how that works Oct 29 16:58:49 basically you'd remove the file that contains the palm data Oct 29 16:58:55 this will create a broken repo Oct 29 16:59:05 but if you fill in this file again, it is good again Oct 29 16:59:10 corecode: and the changes are stored in another file in a git repo? Oct 29 16:59:51 usually changes are stored as complete new copies, but if you create a pack, they will be stored as deltas Oct 29 17:00:07 i'll check with the git guys whether there is a possibility to do this Oct 29 17:00:17 i guess that could help development Oct 29 17:03:16 dBsooner-work, I do not think any files on the Pre are .PNG or .JPG Oct 29 17:03:20 it's all lowercase Oct 29 17:03:38 but what about the INPUT Oct 29 17:03:57 EXTRA_FILES=/this/crappy/path.PNG Oct 29 17:04:05 not our problem Oct 29 17:04:19 lol Oct 29 17:04:19 ok Oct 29 17:04:25 you aren't overwriting a.blah with A.bLah, that's not the same file Oct 29 17:04:39 ok Oct 29 17:04:53 at least that's my opinion Oct 29 17:05:23 true Oct 29 17:06:19 so Oct 29 17:06:27 i noticed that your script doesn't work with filenames that contain spaces... maybe not an issue, just wanted to point it out Oct 29 17:06:47 How do we impliment this so we can make a test run using app-launcher-no-quick-launcher Oct 29 17:07:15 I don't think there are any palm files that have spaces in them Oct 29 17:07:59 ok Oct 29 17:08:48 hey Jason! Oct 29 17:09:17 corecode, well none of the files on the Pre have spaces I'm fairly certain Oct 29 17:09:31 ok, no offence, just in case Oct 29 17:09:37 I personally hate spaces in filenames, but it's a good point Oct 29 17:09:40 spaces = the_devil Oct 29 17:09:50 JayCanuck: you get my pm? Oct 29 17:10:01 yea, did you get mine? Oct 29 17:10:12 oooh ooh can I get a pm Oct 29 17:10:17 lol Oct 29 17:11:11 * dBsooner-work didn't get the email saying he got a pm... Oct 29 17:11:19 * dBsooner-work slaps his exchange server. Oct 29 17:11:22 lol Oct 29 17:11:42 JayCanuck: You know.. You could just hit submit on my form.... *hint* Oct 29 17:11:52 l:p Oct 29 17:12:05 but it so much more fun jumping through hoops Oct 29 17:12:10 NO Oct 29 17:12:14 lol Oct 29 17:12:58 A lot of your patches are hidden deep in threads. ;) Oct 29 17:13:15 lol Oct 29 17:18:25 hey Oct 29 17:23:25 dBsooner: Don't blame exchange! it didn't do nuffink! Oct 29 17:23:35 dBsooner: My exchange server is remarkably well behaved! Oct 29 17:26:56 There.. now maybe I can stay connected Oct 29 17:27:33 dBsooner: having trouble? Oct 29 17:27:39 dBsooner-work: having trouble? Oct 29 17:27:58 yeah.. webchat = suck Oct 29 17:28:14 Especially when you drive around all day hopping from cell tower to cell tower Oct 29 17:29:01 dBsooner-work: heh :) yeah that'd be a pain in the arse alright Oct 29 17:32:23 preware needs a built in irc client :D Oct 29 17:34:46 a2ny: ...or we need whosit to finish the fabled irc client Oct 29 17:36:09 * Mousey will still pay dearly for a generic jabber client Oct 29 17:36:47 Mousey: a native jabber client you mean? Oct 29 17:39:01 gkatsev: well the 'generic' part is the fact that technically since it supports gtalk it supports xmpp/jabber but they didn't genericise it Oct 29 17:39:45 Marajin: right, just saying that you can just install finch (probably) via ipkg-opt and use it inside the terminal Oct 29 17:40:20 gkatsev: yeah but at 320x480? Oct 29 17:40:26 gkatsev: you've got no chance Oct 29 17:40:49 why 320x480? Oct 29 17:43:32 gkatsev: because that's the screen resolution of the device? Oct 29 17:43:58 oh, lol Oct 29 17:44:16 Marajin: it works pretty well actually Oct 29 17:44:52 the only problem is finch uses a lot of shortcuts relying on meta/alt by default, so, youll have to rebind some of them since terminal doenst have alt right now Oct 29 17:45:03 lol Oct 29 17:45:08 MyIP for 99 cents Oct 29 17:45:27 scientific rpn calculator for 9.99 Oct 29 17:45:47 gkatsev: yes Oct 29 17:46:18 gkatsev: i have a couple jabber servers i'd like to join, for home and work. i don't use gtalk. =( Oct 29 17:55:17 MyIP is 99 cents Oct 29 17:55:18 lol Oct 29 17:55:22 people are funny Oct 29 17:56:08 what Oct 29 17:56:10 ifconfig on terminal Oct 29 17:56:15 a2ny: Mousey preware will not have a built in irc client Oct 29 17:56:20 are you serious? Oct 29 17:56:24 99 cents for your ip address Oct 29 17:56:35 yeah so says en0x Oct 29 17:56:51 wait, no?? Oct 29 17:56:54 no IRC from Preware?? Oct 29 17:56:59 preware is an installer Oct 29 17:57:00 but it's so LOGICAL! Oct 29 17:57:01 next email Oct 29 17:57:05 that's it Oct 29 17:57:08 it installs ipk Oct 29 17:57:10 wait.. why are we talking about this? Oct 29 17:57:12 advanced homebrew Oct 29 17:57:12 Marajin: is whosit a person? Oct 29 17:57:43 yep, myip is .99 Oct 29 17:57:57 How does that fly Oct 29 17:58:03 woohoo! more dictionaries... Oct 29 17:58:05 im gonna make free clones of every pay app i think Oct 29 17:58:06 :D Oct 29 17:58:13 PuffTheMagic, sounds like a good idea :P Oct 29 17:58:39 hehe Oct 29 17:58:54 the guy did add anything new to MyIP Oct 29 17:59:07 its the same as the one in homebrew Oct 29 17:59:08 :D Oct 29 18:01:06 whats up with all the dictionaries? there are like 50 of them now... Oct 29 18:01:28 yeah i know Oct 29 18:01:39 altimeter looks pretty cool, though completely useless for me Oct 29 18:05:31 i want to make that app that the iphone has Oct 29 18:05:34 that can listen to a song Oct 29 18:05:37 and tell u waht it is Oct 29 18:05:41 shazam/midomi Oct 29 18:06:29 i take it its not oss or free? Oct 29 18:06:37 nope Oct 29 18:06:56 and their websites (at least shazam's) is flash Oct 29 18:07:11 websites in flash are bad:( Oct 29 18:07:26 not that the pre has mic access yet Oct 29 18:07:33 midomi looks non free Oct 29 18:07:38 gkatsev: i can make mic access :D Oct 29 18:07:42 its in /dev i beleive Oct 29 18:08:04 lol, ok Oct 29 18:08:11 i wonder why palm didnt give access to mic api Oct 29 18:08:13 * gkatsev was referring to "offical" api Oct 29 18:09:50 lol, midomi is available pretty much for every nokia phone Oct 29 18:10:03 well, for a lot of them at least Oct 29 18:11:00 app like that on Pre would be AWESOME Oct 29 18:11:44 PuffTheMagic: http://www.shazam.com/music/web/pages/2580.html Oct 29 18:12:11 meh, 2580 is UK only Oct 29 18:12:29 (and its not free) Oct 29 18:14:04 gkatsev: yeah Oct 29 18:15:54 Hey all. So I'm having trouble here getting the paid mytether app to work. The install went fine and I broadcast over wifi and connect and it all seems to work fine. But then I simply can't connect to anything or browse to any sites after connected. Any ideas? Oct 29 18:17:17 hmmm Oct 29 18:17:20 there is no /dev/dsp Oct 29 18:17:42 lol Oct 29 18:24:52 wait, what func does myip do ? Oct 29 18:25:00 just give eth0 & ppp0 add ? Oct 29 18:27:30 gkatsev: there IS NO mic on a omap3 Oct 29 18:27:37 so it must be part of the modem shit Oct 29 18:28:36 a2ny: network info for wan and some bt stuff Oct 29 18:28:37 or done over i2c or something Oct 29 18:28:49 wow horrid Oct 29 18:29:21 a2ny: in addition to what you said (eth0 and ppp0 Oct 29 18:29:23 ) Oct 29 18:29:53 i had the homebrew version Oct 29 18:30:58 I wouldn't see the reason to know your IP info for the avg user =\ Oct 29 18:31:47 yeah... and the users who'd use it wont pay .99... Oct 29 18:32:06 i have the homebrew version Oct 29 18:33:15 anyone heard of video coming anytime soon? Oct 29 18:35:07 I will stick to inconfig Oct 29 18:35:34 s/inconfig/ifconfig Oct 29 18:48:17 woot Oct 29 18:48:24 i think we can record using alsa Oct 29 18:48:40 there are 2 devices in /dev/snd/ that end witha c Oct 29 18:48:43 which is for capture Oct 29 18:49:19 or crap Oct 29 18:51:02 # cat /proc/asound/devices | grep capture Oct 29 18:51:02 24: [ 0- 0]: digital audio capture Oct 29 18:51:02 56: [ 1- 0]: digital audio capture Oct 29 18:51:30 and arecord -l Oct 29 18:51:33 that shows them too Oct 29 18:55:42 twl4030-i2s Oct 29 18:55:43 and Oct 29 18:55:49 btsco Oct 29 18:57:19 YES Oct 29 18:57:22 it works!!!!!!!! Oct 29 18:57:30 ? Oct 29 18:57:47 you recorded? Oct 29 18:57:58 yeah Oct 29 18:58:05 http://omploader.org/vMm5oMw Oct 29 18:58:10 ^^ hear for your self Oct 29 18:58:11 * Mousey hands PuffTheMagic a cookie Oct 29 18:58:27 so low Oct 29 18:58:36 you sir, are the man Oct 29 18:58:42 so have a question about the git repo Oct 29 18:58:55 are we supposed to put in .LICENSE files now? Oct 29 18:59:03 with out the . Oct 29 18:59:06 or a COPYING Oct 29 18:59:11 I guess I should update my patches Oct 29 18:59:14 both are sorta standard license files Oct 29 18:59:26 or you could put it at the top of your files Oct 29 18:59:31 or all of the above Oct 29 18:59:40 lol Oct 29 18:59:46 SO. MANY. CHOICES. =) Oct 29 18:59:48 woot, PuffTheMagic is back to PuffTheMagic. Oct 29 18:59:54 lol Oct 29 19:00:17 btw. this is off-topic but hilarious. http://www.southparkstudios.com/episodes/251888 south park does whale wars. lol Oct 29 19:00:30 haha Oct 29 19:00:37 it's worth the watch Oct 29 19:00:47 btw, are the files supposed to end in .patch now? Oct 29 19:00:48 yeah Oct 29 19:00:54 "feel the wrath of my nuts!" Oct 29 19:00:55 :> Oct 29 19:00:59 jauderho: patch or diff Oct 29 19:01:05 autopatch should be smart enough Oct 29 19:01:07 I have not been keeping up with recent changes. Oct 29 19:01:07 it probably isnt Oct 29 19:01:09 but it should be Oct 29 19:01:09 okay. Oct 29 19:01:26 what's the git command to rename/move a file? Oct 29 19:01:34 jauderho: just move it with mv Oct 29 19:01:37 then when u do git add . Oct 29 19:01:42 it will pick up the move Oct 29 19:01:46 git mv? Oct 29 19:01:49 or just mv Oct 29 19:01:54 either will work Oct 29 19:01:59 git mv is not necessary though Oct 29 19:02:00 alrighty Oct 29 19:02:01 PuffTheMagic, the crotest service has a RecordSound method too Oct 29 19:02:03 if you do git add . Oct 29 19:02:18 egaudet_work: crotest? Oct 29 19:03:21 yea I think it just tests the audio, I don't know what exactly it's for Oct 29 19:03:24 egaudet_work: ? Oct 29 19:03:32 what is the crotest service? Oct 29 19:03:35 com.palm.crotest Oct 29 19:03:43 never heard of it Oct 29 19:03:55 well of course "palm" knows/knew how to record Oct 29 19:03:56 PlaySound, RecordSound, RemoveRecording Oct 29 19:03:58 but now we can do anything Oct 29 19:04:02 like make a Sip client' Oct 29 19:04:10 or decode music Oct 29 19:04:14 I think RecordSound records file to /var/tmp/recordTestFile.wav Oct 29 19:04:25 yeah but we can use alsalib Oct 29 19:04:29 and pipe it into anything Oct 29 19:04:36 and use any codec we want now Oct 29 19:04:50 combine it with video recording Oct 29 19:04:58 and that :D Oct 29 19:05:16 i will have to tell wxyz about that Oct 29 19:05:20 he will be happy to know Oct 29 19:05:26 can add it to the secret project :D Oct 29 19:05:38 what secret project Oct 29 19:05:40 who is wxyz Oct 29 19:05:49 he is no one Oct 29 19:05:53 that is a nick mask Oct 29 19:05:58 so u cant tell hwo it is Oct 29 19:06:14 oh so you are going to tell a secret person that is doing a secret project Oct 29 19:06:29 yeah something like that' Oct 29 19:06:45 and now oil cant yell at me Oct 29 19:06:48 cause i was productive today Oct 29 19:06:56 hmm Oct 29 19:06:58 cia of webos Oct 29 19:07:01 now you got me all curious Oct 29 19:07:10 calling the patches app-launcher/app-launcher-* seems redundant Oct 29 19:07:41 cause we are the department of redundancy department Oct 29 19:08:59 jauderho, it's redundant but it serves a purpose. directory = category, patch names are -.patch and package name is <category>-<title> Oct 29 19:09:06 <tlp> PuffTheMagic: just so you know, I grep #webos-internals.log for 'wircd' ;) Oct 29 19:09:21 <egaudet_work> well package id is org.webosinternals.patches.<category>-<title> Oct 29 19:10:30 <jauderho> egaudet_work: ok. but I guess if you are parsing things that way, it's still possible to have the metadata encoded as <category>/<title>.patch no? Oct 29 19:10:47 <destinal> PuffTheMagic: you reverted your nick Oct 29 19:10:58 <jauderho> i'm not usually a fan of putting too much info in filenames but that's just me =) Oct 29 19:11:22 <PuffTheMagic> destinal: i mix up the nicks often Oct 29 19:11:32 <egaudet_work> jauderho, I'm not either but it makes it easier to keep unique package ids Oct 29 19:11:51 <PuffTheMagic> jauderho: you cant always expect a patch to be in a subdir Oct 29 19:12:08 <PuffTheMagic> the filename convention is more for patches that originate outsite of webos-internals Oct 29 19:12:12 <jauderho> so question about git and the feeds. how often are they synced? i.e. if I push changes, will they automatically show or do I have to do something else. Oct 29 19:12:24 <jauderho> PuffTheMagic: makes sense from that perspective. Oct 29 19:13:22 <egaudet_work> the gitorious repo has to be tagged and then build repo has to be updated (either version bump or makefile creation) in order to build a patch into ipk via the autobuilder and put into webos-patches feed Oct 29 19:14:56 <jauderho> okay. no worries, nothing critical. things will just be picked up the next time then. Oct 29 19:14:59 <egaudet_work> jauderho, are you updating a patch or creating a new one Oct 29 19:15:08 <jauderho> egaudet_work: just updating patches Oct 29 19:15:22 <jauderho> to have .patch extension and LICENSE Oct 29 19:15:42 <jauderho> btw the README is out of date. talks about 1.1 Oct 29 19:15:42 <egaudet_work> aren't they all like that already in gitorious? Oct 29 19:15:46 <jauderho> no Oct 29 19:16:02 <jauderho> the patches I put in werent so I figured I would go ahead and update. Oct 29 19:17:43 <egaudet_work> ok cool Oct 29 19:17:57 <egaudet_work> thanks Oct 29 19:19:53 <jauderho> so should the README be updated or made more useful? Oct 29 19:21:50 <egaudet_work> hmm I hadn't even looked at the README Oct 29 19:23:08 <egaudet_work> We can probably get rid of it at least. I don't know if we want to maintain a README that duplicates the wiki information. Plus we are moving to branches for different webos versions. Oct 29 19:23:44 <jauderho> I maintain a copy of the repo over at github Oct 29 19:23:54 <jauderho> and github reads the README Oct 29 19:24:08 <jauderho> I guess we can update the README to point to the wiki Oct 29 19:26:14 <egaudet_work> if that works for you Oct 29 19:29:46 <jauderho> okay. updating now. Oct 29 19:30:11 <jauderho> is there a particular link on the wiki I should link to? or should I just drop it to the main page? Oct 29 19:30:45 <jauderho> actually, I'm going to point it to this http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Patches_to_webOS Oct 29 19:39:53 <PuffTheMagic> ok so when i make my generic audio service who is gonna make the "speak a memo" app Oct 29 19:43:56 <egaudet_work> oil Oct 29 19:45:26 <tlp> lol Oct 29 19:45:47 <en0x> create irc service first Oct 29 19:45:48 <en0x> :) Oct 29 19:48:30 <tlp> we need to clone PuffTheMagic into like 6 PuffTheMagics. Oct 29 19:50:48 <en0x> right Oct 29 19:51:05 <PuffTheMagic> :D Oct 29 19:55:09 <dBsooner-work> its .LICENSE Oct 29 19:55:14 <dBsooner-work> LICENSE doesn't work Oct 29 19:55:45 <dBsooner-work> you have XX number of .patch's in a single <category> directory Oct 29 19:55:58 <dBsooner-work> So you can't have XX number of LICENSE files Oct 29 19:56:05 <dBsooner-work> because only one "LICENSE" can exist Oct 29 19:56:17 <dBsooner-work> so its <patch_title>.LICENSE Oct 29 19:56:28 <dBsooner-work> <category>-<name>.LICENSE Oct 29 19:56:46 <dBsooner-work> And if you rename a .patch file, autobuild won't pick it up Oct 29 19:59:14 <dBsooner-work> jauderho: misc/powersave-smartreflex.patch should be: misc/misc-powersave-smartreflex.patch Oct 29 19:59:33 <corecode> i wonder how hard it would be to replace the flash with a larger chip Oct 29 19:59:36 <jauderho> doh Oct 29 19:59:48 <jauderho> dBsooner-work: alrighty. I'll fix up Oct 29 20:01:55 <dBsooner-work> egaudet_work: we ready to push the new postinst? Oct 29 20:02:28 <destinal> corecode: it's a BGA chip. so, pretty hard unless you have a BGA rework station Oct 29 20:02:34 <corecode> oh Oct 29 20:02:36 <corecode> :/ Oct 29 20:02:51 <jauderho> dBsooner-work: should be fixed now Oct 29 20:03:34 <egaudet_work> dBsooner-work, no Oct 29 20:03:38 <destinal> corecode: this guy's doing it anyway Oct 29 20:03:40 <destinal> http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/208950-replacing-8gb-samsung-nand-16gb-nand.html Oct 29 20:03:59 <destinal> (he has rework gear) Oct 29 20:04:24 <dBsooner> egaudet_work: why? Oct 29 20:04:37 <egaudet_work> because Oct 29 20:04:40 <dBsooner> pfft Oct 29 20:04:42 <egaudet_work> I haven't done any testing Oct 29 20:04:47 <dBsooner> of course not Oct 29 20:05:00 <dBsooner> how do I make a build locally? Oct 29 20:05:03 <dBsooner> just "make" Oct 29 20:05:03 <dBsooner> ? Oct 29 20:05:05 <egaudet_work> yea Oct 29 20:05:50 <jauderho> so has anyone tried up the remove network throttle patch? Oct 29 20:08:43 <destinal> ~seen ameng Oct 29 20:08:46 <infobot> ameng is currently on #webos-internals. Has said a total of 10 messages. Is idling for 13h 28m 46s, last said: 'Rick_work: you mean they will ?'. Oct 29 20:08:48 <PuffTheMagic> i applied it Oct 29 20:08:50 <PuffTheMagic> jauderho: ^^ Oct 29 20:08:53 <PuffTheMagic> havent tested it Oct 29 20:10:19 <oil> egaudet_work: eh? Oct 29 20:11:09 <jauderho> i'm debating trying that and the GPS hack Oct 29 20:11:29 <egaudet_work> oil, I nominated you for another mojo gui Oct 29 20:11:44 <egaudet_work> :P Oct 29 20:12:46 <oil> oh? Oct 29 20:13:10 <egaudet_work> yea voice memo app Oct 29 20:13:20 <egaudet_work> after Puff makes the voice record service Oct 29 20:14:04 <oil> which is hopefully after wircd Oct 29 20:14:48 <tlp> IRC > voice memos Oct 29 20:15:02 <oil> srsly Oct 29 20:16:03 <jauderho> erk Oct 29 20:16:18 <jauderho> the pre wakes up on its own way too often. Oct 29 20:16:35 <jauderho> grepping all the _timeout_fired messages in /var/log/messages makes me sad Oct 29 20:18:43 <jauderho> this is strange. why is com.palm.power,midnightAlarm firing even though I have no alarms set Oct 29 20:18:58 <oil> to check and see if you do Oct 29 20:19:58 <jauderho> 103 times in 3 seconds? Oct 29 20:20:19 <oil> well its only 3 seconds Oct 29 20:20:40 <jauderho> heh Oct 29 20:22:22 <jauderho> looks like the keepaliveTimer fires every 30 mins or so Oct 29 20:22:44 <oil> what apps do you have installed? Oct 29 20:26:08 <jauderho> bunch Oct 29 20:26:27 <jauderho> pack n track runs in the background Oct 29 20:26:40 <jauderho> i've heard trapster does too Oct 29 20:27:07 <jauderho> would be nice to have a list of apps known to background so we can track down any battery drain causes. Oct 29 20:27:10 <oil> well, make some of those not try to run in teh background Oct 29 20:27:10 <oil> whala Oct 29 20:27:28 <jauderho> actually, pack n track does not have that option Oct 29 20:27:38 <jauderho> at least the version I have. Oct 29 20:27:57 <jauderho> I have it set to check once a day which is the max. there is no check manually option that I know of. Oct 29 20:28:21 <jauderho> one of the flightpath/flightinfo apps was firing all the time so I removed that. Oct 29 20:29:18 <jauderho> I wonder if making the pre cycle network connections faster will allow it to go to sleep faster. Oct 29 20:29:22 <jauderho> thus saving batt. Oct 29 20:29:49 <jauderho> seeing all these connections sitting in close_wait Oct 29 20:30:01 <jauderho> after letting drpodder do its thing. Oct 29 20:30:33 <oil> i have drpodder on manual Oct 29 20:30:37 <gkatsev> ugh, so, i guess the dicts were updated not new and they do require a data connection, so, why the fuck would anyone get them for $20? Oct 29 20:30:53 <jauderho> drpodder is on manual for me too Oct 29 20:31:13 <oil> the only thing i let do anything automatically is mail Oct 29 20:31:28 <PuffTheMagic> lol Oct 29 20:31:41 <jauderho> is there a definitive answer which one saves more battery: mail as it comes in or check every 15 mins? Oct 29 20:31:43 <PuffTheMagic> i cant beleive people are so worried about voice memos Oct 29 20:32:05 <egaudet_work> who's worried about them Oct 29 20:32:20 <jauderho> IDLE is supposed to help but i'm suspicious about the implementation... Oct 29 20:32:21 <PuffTheMagic> well worried that they will trump irc Oct 29 20:32:48 <oil> cause there is still no irc service of any kind Oct 29 20:33:45 <PuffTheMagic> wrong Oct 29 20:33:49 <PuffTheMagic> there is just no good one Oct 29 20:33:51 <jauderho> I dont' care about irc on the pre, I care more if the battery will last. Oct 29 20:33:53 <oil> lol Oct 29 20:34:03 <PuffTheMagic> jauderho: dont use your pre Oct 29 20:34:08 <jauderho> LOL Oct 29 20:34:08 <PuffTheMagic> jauderho: i will last then Oct 29 20:34:15 <jauderho> it still drains =) Oct 29 20:34:20 <oil> remove crap that runs in the background Oct 29 20:34:26 <oil> my pre lasts all day on a charge Oct 29 20:34:28 <oil> with moderate use Oct 29 20:34:30 <PuffTheMagic> leave on charger and dont use Oct 29 20:34:31 <PuffTheMagic> :D Oct 29 20:34:40 <PuffTheMagic> build a battery pack like rick and I Oct 29 20:34:46 <PuffTheMagic> never have it die again Oct 29 20:34:49 <PuffTheMagic> use it all u want Oct 29 20:34:58 <egaudet_work> oil what have you removed from backgorund Oct 29 20:35:01 <jauderho> yeah I wish there was a list of things that runs in the background that I could check against. Oct 29 20:35:25 <egaudet_work> I'm at 45% after 6.5 hours of light use Oct 29 20:35:25 <PuffTheMagic> jauderho: just remove java Oct 29 20:35:56 <egaudet_work> I don't know a thing about building a battery pack Oct 29 20:36:16 <tlp> you could get one of those 2600 mAh batteries Oct 29 20:36:31 <tlp> I went back to my stock battery for day to day use after figuring out AIM was the main source of battery drain Oct 29 20:36:50 <jauderho> PuffTheMagic: lol Oct 29 20:37:20 <jauderho> I have the mugen battery so things are a little better but the 2600mh is ugh. Oct 29 20:37:31 <tlp> mugen battery? Oct 29 20:37:59 <jauderho> my treo 700 with a seido batt lasted all day. that would be the bar for me. Oct 29 20:38:04 <tlp> 1400 mAh Oct 29 20:38:07 <jauderho> mugen 1400mah Oct 29 20:38:16 <PuffTheMagic> lol Oct 29 20:38:17 <jauderho> little better. cheap but whatever. Oct 29 20:38:29 <PuffTheMagic> i have 4 AA 2000mah 1.2 V batteries Oct 29 20:38:37 <PuffTheMagic> giving me 4.8 watt hours :D Oct 29 20:39:06 <PuffTheMagic> so i can last all day and night streaming pandora :D Oct 29 20:39:31 <tlp> :o Oct 29 20:39:37 <jauderho> lol Oct 29 20:39:37 <ice-11> does anyone here use VIM a lot on the pre? Have you found out how to have more terminal colors? VIM just isn't pretty enough for me... Oct 29 20:39:41 <tlp> do you have a photo of that thing? Oct 29 20:39:47 <ice-11> and hi all :) Oct 29 20:39:54 <jauderho> ice-11: real men do not need colors Oct 29 20:40:43 <ice-11> jauderho: being color blind would be kinda boring... i can think of something pink that wouldn't be nearly cool if devoid of all color Oct 29 20:40:56 <ice-11> as cool** Oct 29 20:41:45 <jauderho> I like green on black. old skool vt100 Oct 29 20:42:17 <ice-11> That's what mine's set to right now... but when i'm coding in VIM I like to have pretty syntax highlighting. Oct 29 20:45:56 <jauderho> alright. back to fighting varnish Oct 29 20:46:44 <ice-11> varnish... haha, i wrote some software to work with that once. It was nice to me :) Oct 29 20:47:04 <ice-11> the caching proxy server right? Oct 29 20:47:30 <ice-11> i'm gonna go with yes... but i gtg too.. time to do my stupid directx project.... ugh i hate having to boot windows. cheers Oct 29 20:53:44 <destinal> PuffTheMagic: what brand rechargeable batteries are you using, and do you have any case for the cells, when do you connect it, etc? Oct 29 20:54:19 <destinal> PuffTheMagic: I assume like Rick you just wire the cells up in series and connect them to microusb usb +/- Oct 29 20:54:42 <PuffTheMagic> destinal: yeah for the case Radio shack has a 4 battery case with a built in switch Oct 29 20:54:46 <PuffTheMagic> with 2 wires coming out Oct 29 20:54:53 <PuffTheMagic> i took a pic before but is sucked Oct 29 20:54:55 <PuffTheMagic> i will make a new one Oct 29 20:55:08 <PuffTheMagic> and i used a micro usb cable Oct 29 20:55:14 <PuffTheMagic> but next version i will try and use a usb port Oct 29 20:55:17 <PuffTheMagic> and not hack a cable Oct 29 20:55:23 <PuffTheMagic> but i didnt have any laying around Oct 29 20:55:30 <PuffTheMagic> and the batteries were from Harbor Freight Oct 29 20:56:20 <PuffTheMagic> yeah i wired them in series and it worked smooth like butter Oct 29 20:56:21 <destinal> PuffTheMagic: is it possible to connect a charger to the entire pack with them still in series? it would be cool if one didn't have to remove them all and put them back in. lazy, I know Oct 29 20:56:23 <PuffTheMagic> charges at 500ma Oct 29 20:56:37 <PuffTheMagic> ummm Oct 29 20:56:47 <PuffTheMagic> im sure you could add a power connected to the pack Oct 29 20:56:54 <PuffTheMagic> and make a way to connect it to the charger Oct 29 20:57:00 <PuffTheMagic> i spend like 5 min making this :D Oct 29 20:57:07 <PuffTheMagic> there is room for improvements Oct 29 20:57:08 <PuffTheMagic> :D Oct 29 21:09:40 <freakout> Stugots: ping Oct 29 21:09:44 <freakout> oh wait Oct 29 21:09:48 <freakout> that guy is dead Oct 29 21:14:14 <destinal> PuffTheMagic: I wonder if those batteries can discharge at 1ma. you could easily short data pins and cause the pre to try and draw that fast. Oct 29 21:14:23 <jauderho> wth? my phone just rebooted without warning Oct 29 21:14:54 <destinal> jauderho: when you closed the slider, or really randomly Oct 29 21:15:14 <jauderho> really randomly. it's just sitting in front of me Oct 29 21:15:22 <jauderho> I was doing something else and noticed the palm throbber Oct 29 21:18:02 <lingfish> I seriuosly do NOT care that iTunes sync breaks! ARGH! Oct 29 21:18:13 <lingfish> Who is insane enough to even use that crappy piece of software?!?! Oct 29 21:18:32 <lingfish> freakout: mate, today is the day, I can feel it ;) Oct 29 21:18:44 <freakout> lol Oct 29 21:18:44 <freakout> dude Oct 29 21:18:47 <freakout> Stop getting my hopes up :p Oct 29 21:18:57 <lingfish> Stop getting mine up! ;) Oct 29 21:19:49 * Mousey recommends Amarok Oct 29 21:20:18 <lingfish> I can't believe there's such hoopala about it... it's as bad as pre sightings Oct 29 21:53:29 <freakout> rwhitby: ping Oct 29 21:53:41 <freakout> rwhitby: Chuq gave Preware a shout-out in the Palm developer forums.... Oct 29 21:53:57 <freakout> http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=2893 Oct 29 21:54:04 <freakout> "(* note 2: or you can use the preware patch to re-enable the count in your app catalog on your phone. But of course, I would never actually recommend that someone patch their phone or use a homebrew app. So I didn't.)" Oct 29 21:54:49 <rwhitby> freakout: saw that Oct 29 21:55:05 <rwhitby> freakout: no Pre yet? Oct 29 22:03:03 <destinal> re: the itunes thing, Apple is behaving very childishly IMO re: breaking the pre's sync and this cat/mouse thing. Oct 29 22:03:21 <Marajin> lingfish: the day for what? Oct 29 22:03:32 <Marajin> destinal: that's typical apple behaviour Oct 29 22:04:07 <Marajin> destinal: I mean the entire need for non-usb-mass-storage functions on the iphone/ipod touch/etc is just childishness Oct 29 22:04:24 <Marajin> 'Noes! We shall not make it easy for other peoples to integrate with our hardware!' Oct 29 22:04:36 <destinal> you'd think they'd want more business for the itunes music store, but I guess selling ipods and lock-in is what they're about Oct 29 22:04:46 <Marajin> I mean seriously? how many other large capacity PMPs have managed to deal with just dragging the files over usb mass storage Oct 29 22:04:59 <Marajin> destinal: doesn't the pre not work with drm content anyway? Oct 29 22:05:09 <Marajin> destinal: ergo anything you buy from itunes store won't work regardless Oct 29 22:05:17 <destinal> Marajin: they don't even have DRM content for music any more I believe Oct 29 22:05:26 <Marajin> destinal: they do for video.. Oct 29 22:05:36 <destinal> right, but for music you're fine Oct 29 22:06:04 <Marajin> music, iunno, I don't buy music from itunes, it's overpriced Oct 29 22:06:16 <destinal> cheaper to just buy a CD and rip Oct 29 22:06:20 <Marajin> what really makes me mad about itunes is, if you lose your file.. Oct 29 22:06:21 <Marajin> thassit Oct 29 22:06:22 <Marajin> gone Oct 29 22:06:25 <Marajin> gotta repurchase Oct 29 22:06:43 <Marajin> so saaaay.. you bought it direct on the device and your device fried and you hadn't synced? Oct 29 22:06:46 <Marajin> gone Oct 29 22:06:47 <destinal> another advantage to cd-ripping, you can always rip it again, it's its own backup Oct 29 22:07:14 <Marajin> and yet, oddly enough.. Oct 29 22:07:17 <Marajin> app store apps? Oct 29 22:07:27 <Marajin> no it goes 'oh you bought it before, you can have it for free' Oct 29 22:07:42 <destinal> heh, yeah. funny how that works Oct 29 22:08:23 <destinal> I feel chuq's comment re: (* note 1: even after all these years, I still find saying things like "follow me, and I'll re-tweet your tweets" with a straight face difficult. But I'll do my best.) Oct 29 22:08:31 <Marajin> well it just makes me go '...hgnngh...graah.. urge to kill RIIIISINNNNGGGGG..' Oct 29 22:08:36 <destinal> twitter terminology is retarded Oct 29 22:08:44 <Marajin> heh Oct 29 22:08:47 <Marajin> I won't use twitter Oct 29 22:08:57 <freakout> rwhitby: nope, not yet. sigh Oct 29 22:09:00 <Marajin> I barely use facebook out of peer pressure Oct 29 22:09:07 <Mousey> f twitter Oct 29 22:09:13 * Mousey waves tiny little fist Oct 29 22:09:19 <destinal> ftwitter Oct 29 22:10:06 <destinal> microblogging massively reduced the signal : noise ratio of the internet Oct 29 22:10:31 <destinal> now even more so everyone says even more about even less even more often. Oct 29 22:11:21 <freakout> destinal: yup Oct 29 22:11:39 <freakout> destinal: what amazes me is how many cheerleaders Apple has, who say "It's their software, they can do what they like" Oct 29 22:11:47 <freakout> And "Palm are hacking, how unethical" Oct 29 22:12:03 <freakout> Y'know, ten or twenty years ago Palm's approach would have been called *innovative* Oct 29 22:12:22 <freakout> Now apparently people are all for proprietary lockouts for no good technical reason. Oct 29 22:12:25 <destinal> like, "go lock-in! fight those evil interoperability people" Oct 29 22:12:29 <freakout> Makes you wanna cry. Oct 29 22:12:31 <destinal> just, wha? Oct 29 22:12:46 <freakout> yup. Oct 29 22:13:00 <Marajin> oh dear Oct 29 22:13:07 <Marajin> I've triggered the ranters Oct 29 22:13:16 <Marajin> lookout before they go critical! Oct 29 22:13:25 <freakout> heh Oct 29 22:13:27 <freakout> you want a rant? Oct 29 22:13:35 <Marajin> I'd really rather you didn't Oct 29 22:13:46 <freakout> http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/9910/editorial-keep-fighting-the-itunes-fight-palm/ Oct 29 22:13:52 <Marajin> frankly I'm a bit weighed under by the fact a friend o mine dropped dead this morning Oct 29 22:14:54 <destinal> Marajin: harsh. makes you realize how really stupid and unimportant a lot of other things are. Oct 29 22:15:01 <destinal> Marajin: sorry for your loss Oct 29 22:16:05 <freakout-away> second. Oct 29 22:17:01 <Marajin> ach no worries but yeah it comes as a surprise when a guys wife phones you up and tells you he dropped dead this morning.. he only got married a few months back =/ Oct 29 22:26:55 <destinal> LaF0rge: greetings / welcome. regarding the creaking noise when typing (you mentioned on your blog post), I found that it seems to be the cheap plastic back cover that comes with the pre. I installed the touchstone back cover and am a lot happier with it. Oct 29 22:29:29 <PuffTheMagic> jauderho: yo Oct 29 22:29:36 <PuffTheMagic> jauderho: about that random reset Oct 29 22:29:44 <PuffTheMagic> jauderho: maybe you have the battery issue Oct 29 22:31:33 <destinal> has anyone on world ready noticed some odd clock drift issues? Oct 29 22:31:41 <destinal> O2 folks, etc? Oct 29 22:48:02 <alphay2k> hello all Oct 29 22:48:28 <alphay2k> anyone awake in here? Oct 29 22:48:36 <atlanta> hey Oct 29 22:48:36 <atlanta> wsup Oct 29 22:49:29 <atlanta> took to long to answer back i have to step out now Oct 29 22:49:32 <alphay2k> well I am having an issue with getting webOS working, useing version 2.03, is this the correct place to get help? Oct 29 22:49:37 <atlanta> nevermind there u go Oct 29 22:49:46 <alphay2k> sorry was alt tabbed :) Oct 29 22:49:59 <atlanta> yup go ahead and post up someone in here will help you out my friend Oct 29 22:51:19 <alphay2k> well I posted on precentral.net forums, but no solutions as of yet, I have all the latest stuff IE: java, etc....I can open webOS but when I click on downloads or file > device manager or file > tweaks it seems to just freeze up Oct 29 22:52:15 <alphay2k> its done it on 2 desktops, 1-mediacenter xp, 1-xp pro fully updated and this laptop with xp pro Oct 29 22:52:49 <alphay2k> I can minimizem move the box, just can't close or acess anything within webOS program Oct 29 22:54:21 <alphay2k> I mean minimize, sorry fat fingers :) Oct 29 22:54:23 <jauderho> PuffTheMagic: probably not the battery issue. have had the phone for months. never had strange resets Oct 29 22:55:01 <PuffTheMagic> jauderho: well the battery issue is the only thing i know of that causes strange resets Oct 29 22:55:21 <jauderho> hmm I should check the logs Oct 29 22:57:32 <alphay2k> atlanta: I found this channel from forums, was hopeing desperately somone could help me get it running, if not for a person I met at bestbuy that put on preware for me, I probably ould have returned the pre by now, as it stands its a ittle frustrateing to not be able to use webOS Oct 29 22:57:59 <jauderho> nothing. very strange Oct 29 23:04:18 <jcrawford> guys where on the phone are apps installed to again? Oct 29 23:04:21 <jcrawford> i mean the path Oct 29 23:04:31 <jcrawford> i found the palm ones under /usr/palm/applications Oct 29 23:04:36 <jcrawford> but that is not where mine would go Oct 29 23:04:37 <rwhitby> morning Oct 29 23:04:44 <jcrawford> been a while since i have messed with the phone lol Oct 29 23:04:51 <jcrawford> morning rwhitby Oct 29 23:05:02 <alphay2k_> looks like I got ghosted Oct 29 23:05:24 <rwhitby> alphay2k: do you have the fair dinkum app installed? Oct 29 23:05:39 <rwhitby> jcrawford: add a /var to the front Oct 29 23:05:40 <alphay2k_> I do, just got it today Oct 29 23:05:52 <jcrawford> thanks rwhitby Oct 29 23:06:06 <alphay2k_> rwhitby: sorry my other nick is ghosted Oct 29 23:06:25 <alphay2k> there we go Oct 29 23:06:28 <rwhitby> alphay2k_: I doubt it's the solution to your problem - I just re-read and noticed that you're talking about WebOS QI hanging, not the App Catalog. Oct 29 23:07:05 <alphay2k> rwhitby: correct, the wosqi freezes Oct 29 23:07:48 <alphay2k> rwhitby: haven't tested that new app dinkum yet, I hope it works, the laggy download is annoying Oct 29 23:08:05 <alphay2k> gonna go try it now and see Oct 29 23:10:04 <alphay2k> sweet, it works...yay no more lag Oct 29 23:10:57 <alphay2k> now if only i could get webOS QI ta work, I would end the day on a very nice note Oct 29 23:12:30 <dBsooner-work> egaudet: you test it yet? Oct 29 23:13:00 <dBsooner-work> rwhitby: you order your GSM pre yet? Oct 29 23:13:20 <dBsooner-work> err wait.. you using your GSM pre yet? Oct 29 23:13:59 <dBsooner-work> rwhitby: you were late in coming around this am. FRiday blues? Oct 29 23:14:05 <rwhitby> dBsooner-work: it's somewhere between Germany and Australia, but the tracking number is not working. Oct 29 23:14:19 <rwhitby> dBsooner-work: work conference calls with the US Oct 29 23:14:37 <dBsooner-work> rwhitby: Ahhh.. So you had an early am Oct 29 23:14:56 <dBsooner-work> rwhitby: At least it's "en route".. what kind of shipping method? Oct 29 23:15:10 <rwhitby> dBsooner-work: German DHL of some sort Oct 29 23:15:15 <dBsooner-work> nice Oct 29 23:15:21 <dBsooner-work> I would have demanded UPS Oct 29 23:15:46 <rwhitby> I trust the judgement of my German freesmartphone.org colleague. Oct 29 23:16:44 <dBsooner-work> freesmartphone.org.. nice server name Oct 29 23:16:59 <dBsooner-work> Did donations get it paid for? Oct 29 23:17:23 <hmagoo> note about mvapp, I had earlier changed ownership to my user ID in fstab (of /media/internal) so I had to change it back to root. Oct 29 23:17:33 <rwhitby> dBsooner-work: didn't you hear? PreCentral made a single donation that covered it. Oct 29 23:17:50 <dBsooner-work> wow.. hmagoo, there is somone who I haven't seen in a while. Oct 29 23:17:53 <dBsooner-work> rwhitby: you serious? Oct 29 23:18:03 <rwhitby> dBsooner-work: I'm always serious. Oct 29 23:18:08 <hmagoo> dBsooner-work: I had totally redone my home network put on a smoothwall Oct 29 23:18:13 * dBsooner-work goes to rub that gravy train. Oct 29 23:18:31 <dBsooner-work> heh.. smoothwall ~= firewall Oct 29 23:18:33 <hmagoo> and my desktop had a bad ram module Oct 29 23:18:58 <dBsooner-work> rwhitby: and you couldn't score me a Pixi out of the deal? Sigh. I knew you weren't as good as I thought you were. Oct 29 23:19:30 <hmagoo> there are too many forums on pc now Oct 29 23:19:32 <dBsooner-work> What do you have to do in return for the "donation"? Oct 29 23:19:35 <rwhitby> dBsooner-work: no deal was done, it's a donation. Oct 29 23:19:42 <alphay2k> so anyone have any ideas on why webos IQ won't work for me? Oct 29 23:19:51 <dBsooner-work> IQ? Oct 29 23:20:25 <dBsooner-work> If you are referring to WebOS Quick Install, then i would recommend emailing/PM'ing Jason Robitaille. Oct 29 23:20:33 <destinal> I keep wanting to pronounce "wosqi" like "whiskey". it needs a better acronym :) Oct 29 23:21:10 <alphay2k> heh, now that Iook at it it does look like whiskey Oct 29 23:21:20 <Mousey> how do i type an interrobang/ Oct 29 23:21:22 <hmagoo> alphay2k: novacom issues? does it use novacom? Oct 29 23:21:23 <Mousey> ? Oct 29 23:21:26 <dBsooner-work> what was one of the first things rwhitby posted to pc? He said "don't call it this".. as in abbreviations.. Oct 29 23:21:29 <hmagoo> developer mode? Oct 29 23:21:29 <dBsooner-work> Was it about terminal? Oct 29 23:21:38 <freakout-work> rwhitby: DHL again Oct 29 23:21:40 <alphay2k> dBsooner-work: yeah I left him a pm on forums Oct 29 23:21:41 <freakout-work> lol Oct 29 23:21:43 <freakout-work> That's me too Oct 29 23:21:56 <dBsooner-work> freakout-work: You order fromt he same place? Oct 29 23:22:11 <freakout-work> rwhitby: if you have a 12-digit numerical tracking number, you need to use the DHL Global Mail tracking site Oct 29 23:22:15 <rwhitby> freakout-work: yeah, I'm under no illusions that it might take 6-10 days or it might take weeks. Oct 29 23:22:24 <rwhitby> freakout-work: URL? Oct 29 23:22:28 <hmagoo> rwhitby don't you have customs too? Oct 29 23:22:35 <dBsooner-work> ouch.. customs. Oct 29 23:22:41 <alphay2k> hmagoo: yeah it does, its running and I have everything up to date Oct 29 23:22:41 <freakout-work> one sec Oct 29 23:22:48 <dBsooner-work> If it's like the US.. only like 10% gets inspected. Oct 29 23:23:02 <alphay2k> hmagoo: nav is also running in services Oct 29 23:23:03 <rwhitby> hmagoo: phones under AUD$1K is fine for AU customs Oct 29 23:23:09 <dBsooner-work> But doesn't the US customs hold stuff for like 3 or 5 days? Oct 29 23:23:35 <hmagoo> they have for dhl international for me, but it was a projector I think I paid $1400 Oct 29 23:23:45 <freakout-work> rwhitby: http://www.dhl-globalmail.com/dpgm?tab=1&skin=hi&check=yes&lang=en&xmlFile=5001262 Oct 29 23:23:59 <freakout-work> rwhitby: click Single Enquiry under 30kg Oct 29 23:24:16 <jcrawford> hmm rwhitby is there a way on palm to make it so that you cannot copy apps from one phone to another? I mean if someone were to release my source could I keep it from working on a secondary device? Oct 29 23:25:14 <rwhitby> jcrawford: not with webOS, you would need a binary service. Oct 29 23:25:26 <dBsooner-work> jcrawford: not unless you can program something in C Oct 29 23:25:32 <jcrawford> thanks Oct 29 23:25:32 <droO> and even then, could still copy it Oct 29 23:25:36 <droO> or someone would patch it Oct 29 23:25:38 <droO> ;o Oct 29 23:25:38 <dBsooner-work> otherwise it's pretty easy to deobfuscate Oct 29 23:25:45 <rwhitby> freakout-work: "No data found" :-( Oct 29 23:25:50 <droO> anything can/will be pirated, better not to worry about it Oct 29 23:25:55 <droO> and just try to make a good app :) Oct 29 23:25:59 <freakout-work> rwhitby: d'oh! Oct 29 23:26:10 <alphay2k> I have everything running fine, except webOS Quickinstall, I've seen it run before I just can't get mine running Oct 29 23:26:13 <jcrawford> :) Oct 29 23:26:17 <dBsooner-work> droO: It's better to make it decent security to "detour" pirating attempts. Oct 29 23:26:29 <droO> not really Oct 29 23:26:33 <egaudet> dBsooner-work, have you a modified postinst you want to email me Oct 29 23:26:33 <droO> cause it wont matter anyways Oct 29 23:26:40 <droO> better to use that time to make your app better Oct 29 23:26:41 <droO> :) Oct 29 23:26:48 <droO> instead of trying to secure something that will never be. Oct 29 23:26:52 <Mousey> its better to make an awesome app and become famous than to try and sell poop Oct 29 23:27:22 <dBsooner-work> umm.. Oct 29 23:27:28 <dBsooner-work> egaudet: Do you mean the one we made? Oct 29 23:27:50 <egaudet> yea we didn't actually make it, jujst pastebin snippet Oct 29 23:27:53 <dBsooner-work> egaudet: or do you mean the one for the app-launcher? Oct 29 23:28:08 <egaudet> huh Oct 29 23:28:09 <dBsooner-work> http://webos.pastebin.com/m1518129e Oct 29 23:28:09 <droO> cause even if you write a service in c, it can still be decompiled to asm Oct 29 23:28:11 <droO> and patched Oct 29 23:28:17 <egaudet> dBsooner-work, what is the difference? Oct 29 23:28:18 <dBsooner-work> that work egaudet? Oct 29 23:28:29 <egaudet> I suppose Oct 29 23:28:38 <dBsooner-work> egaudet: I was thinking of the app-launcher-no-quick-launcher Makefile Oct 29 23:28:40 <droO> i just think its pointless dbsooner Oct 29 23:28:40 <droO> :/ Oct 29 23:28:55 <egaudet> have you made both the Makefile and postinst changes locally? Oct 29 23:29:02 <hmagoo> what are you guys testing now? Oct 29 23:29:04 <dBsooner-work> no Oct 29 23:29:10 <dBsooner-work> hmagoo: image replacements Oct 29 23:29:13 <egaudet> so why were you asking to push earlier Oct 29 23:29:15 <dBsooner-work> EPR compliant Oct 29 23:29:20 <dBsooner-work> Because I was at home Oct 29 23:29:26 <dBsooner-work> and I had made changes there Oct 29 23:29:34 <egaudet> oh you are back at work? Oct 29 23:29:34 <dBsooner-work> buit here I have not Oct 29 23:29:36 <dBsooner-work> yes Oct 29 23:29:42 <egaudet> oh ok Oct 29 23:29:49 <dBsooner-work> i work till 7pm central Oct 29 23:30:07 <egaudet> I want to make sure to test with exactly what you've got Oct 29 23:30:13 <droO> dbsooner, the only way i could see anything like that working Oct 29 23:30:19 <droO> is if it was through a webservice Oct 29 23:30:22 <droO> that required login Oct 29 23:30:41 <droO> and paid sign ups to use such site/app Oct 29 23:30:44 <egaudet> Jason's patches been submitted yet dB? Oct 29 23:31:29 <hmagoo> just offer liefetime upgrades for donations on an app in homebrew, and then start developing a similar app and get more donations, seems to work for some. 0.o Oct 29 23:31:44 <freakout-work> rwhitby: you could always try Letter.Inquiries@deutschepost.de -- i got a bit more detail off them. Oct 29 23:32:07 <rwhitby> freakout-work: I'm just going to wait - it's insured. Oct 29 23:33:27 <freakout-work> rwhitby: Heh. You're more patient than me Oct 29 23:34:14 * rwhitby bbl Oct 29 23:35:55 <dBsooner-work> egaudet: dunno Oct 29 23:36:00 <dBsooner-work> egaudet: I haven't checked anything today. Oct 29 23:38:06 <Rick_work> hi all Oct 29 23:38:21 * freakout-work waves to Rick_work Oct 29 23:40:57 <hmagoo> bbl Oct 29 23:41:17 <egaudet> hey Rick how goes it Oct 29 23:54:48 <kesne> Just submitted Perfect Bounce again Oct 29 23:55:14 <kesne> :/ Oct 29 23:56:56 <freakout-work> kesne - they knocked it back the first time? Oct 29 23:57:30 <kesne> ONE bug Oct 29 23:57:40 <kesne> App didnt work from returning from the help scene Oct 29 23:57:48 <kesne> fixed in 30 seconds Oct 29 23:57:50 <kesne> Resubmitted Oct 29 23:59:42 <kesne> Good god, 11 palm people have installed Perfect Bounce Oct 30 00:00:04 * Mousey lols Oct 30 00:00:53 * PuffTheMagic starts working on the much anticipated wIRCd Oct 30 00:02:37 <Mercury> So, I'm trying to figure out how to pull off different alert settings for different IMAP folders in the same account. Oct 30 00:02:40 * PuffTheMagic wonders how to hide voice memo support in wIRCd ;) Oct 30 00:03:09 <Mercury> I'm still digging through the palm email application, but the results are, confusing at best. Oct 30 00:03:10 <freakout-work> PuffTheMagic: lol Oct 30 00:03:23 <freakout-work> PuffTheMagic: 'bout freaking time Oct 30 00:04:49 <freakout-work> kesne: Heh. At least you know they've got a crack team of reviewers ;) Oct 30 00:05:25 <kesne> Lisa did it Oct 30 00:07:19 <destinal> kesne: wouldn't "pefect throw" be more accurate? Oct 30 00:07:29 <kesne> Not at all Oct 30 00:07:49 <destinal> maybe I misinterpret the screenshot but it looks like you toss a ball at a net Oct 30 00:07:56 <kesne> Yep Oct 30 00:09:27 <destinal> so, how does the bounce come in? :) Oct 30 00:18:02 <PuffTheMagic> just so you guys know..... wIRCd is gonna be $49.99 Oct 30 00:18:17 <egaudet> I wouldn't pay a penny over $49.98 Oct 30 00:19:26 <destinal> wircd, eh? I must really not be tracking your work, puff.. a daemon? Oct 30 00:21:07 <destinal> different from a typical C service in some way? Oct 30 00:28:02 <tlp> destinal: I just kinda assumed that was the name of the thing Oct 30 00:28:09 <tlp> pretty sure it is a C service Oct 30 00:28:45 <droO> 49.99, seriously? Oct 30 00:29:00 <tlp> pretty sure that was a joke :p Oct 30 00:30:09 <kesne> destinal: The ball bounces Oct 30 00:31:16 <PuffTheMagic> destinal: well C services are daemons Oct 30 00:31:19 <PuffTheMagic> :D Oct 30 00:31:45 <PuffTheMagic> droO: j/k Oct 30 00:31:57 <PuffTheMagic> droO: probably more like $9.99 Oct 30 00:32:04 <PuffTheMagic> for 1 server connection Oct 30 00:32:11 <kesne> I will never pay for any app Oct 30 00:32:11 <PuffTheMagic> and 1.99 for each extra connection Oct 30 00:32:16 <oil> hey, one person downloaded that $49.99 translator Oct 30 00:32:24 <destinal> PuffTheMagic: fair enough, just hadn't seen one before using it in the name. no reason why you shouldn't Oct 30 00:32:24 <PuffTheMagic> kesne: dont u charge for your checkers app? Oct 30 00:32:25 <oil> probably the guy who made it Oct 30 00:32:35 <kesne> Actually I have paid for many apps Oct 30 00:32:41 <kesne> PuffTheMagic: yeah, your point? Oct 30 00:32:42 <PuffTheMagic> im just kidding Oct 30 00:32:47 <oil> destinal: wircd is the service part of wirc the mojo app Oct 30 00:32:47 <kesne> Hehe Oct 30 00:32:51 <PuffTheMagic> wIRCd will be free Oct 30 00:32:53 <destinal> kesne: but bouncing it has nothing to do with getting it in the net, yeah? Oct 30 00:33:15 <kesne> destinal: but the name isnt supposed to be 100% relevany Oct 30 00:33:17 <oil> so hey, you've actually started on it? Oct 30 00:33:18 <kesne> *relevant Oct 30 00:33:24 <destinal> kesne: I guess I'm just being pointlessly pedantic, sorry :P Oct 30 00:33:39 <kesne> I'd pay $4.86 for the IRC app Oct 30 00:33:43 <kesne> http://keen-studios.net/2009/10/simply-notify/ Oct 30 00:33:43 <kesne> Woo Oct 30 00:33:50 <kesne> </prostitution> Oct 30 00:33:57 <PuffTheMagic> destinal: the java services arent really stand alone service/daemons, they are objects that implement a thread and something else actually spawns them Oct 30 00:34:01 <destinal> I'd pay $0.314159264 Oct 30 00:34:02 <PuffTheMagic> i beleive Oct 30 00:34:25 <PuffTheMagic> but the C services are standalone and calling them daemons just seems natural Oct 30 00:34:43 <oil> hey, everyone seems willing to pay for it Oct 30 00:34:49 <oil> and here we were just going to give it away Oct 30 00:35:11 <PuffTheMagic> oil: IRC is like crack... thought u knew that Oct 30 00:35:16 <oil> lol Oct 30 00:35:25 <PuffTheMagic> $1.99 for a 3 month trial Oct 30 00:35:34 <PuffTheMagic> : Oct 30 00:35:35 <PuffTheMagic> D Oct 30 00:35:38 <destinal> 1/10 pi seems fair Oct 30 00:35:42 <oil> isn't it more like alcohol, being a social drug Oct 30 00:35:58 <oil> i dont think irc has ever killed anyone Oct 30 00:36:09 <oil> though, alcohol does Oct 30 00:36:12 <PuffTheMagic> lol Oct 30 00:36:18 <oil> but not as much as crack Oct 30 00:36:19 <destinal> but it does kill productivity. Oct 30 00:36:25 <destinal> "i repeat class" Oct 30 00:36:30 <PuffTheMagic> oil: IRC will make you do nasty things in dark alley ways Oct 30 00:36:51 <oil> lol Oct 30 00:37:23 <destinal> I finally ditched 1.1.3 world ready for 1.2.1 sprint :P Oct 30 00:37:32 <oil> lol Oct 30 00:38:26 <droO> anyone heard anything about 1.3 date? ;o Oct 30 00:38:27 <destinal> if it wasn't for the strange clock drift wr seems to have on sprint, I probably wouldn't have bothered for a while Oct 30 00:39:10 <kesne> 1.3 should be soon Oct 30 00:39:39 <droO> i wanna resize my partitions :/ Oct 30 00:39:44 <droO> but idk if i should wait for 1.3 ;o Oct 30 00:41:39 <PuffTheMagic> destinal: have you looked at any of the C stuff i've done yet Oct 30 00:41:48 <PuffTheMagic> or at the headers in any detail Oct 30 00:42:11 <PuffTheMagic> we can do some neat stuff in C that i didnt think was possible in java Oct 30 00:42:11 <destinal> PuffTheMagic: yeah, I looked at your first service or two a while back Oct 30 00:42:20 <PuffTheMagic> the uberservice ;) Oct 30 00:42:27 <destinal> PuffTheMagic: yeah, I've had the official headers for a long time, remember? Oct 30 00:42:40 <oil> lol Oct 30 00:42:47 <destinal> uberservice Oct 30 00:42:55 <destinal> will it make me breakfast? Oct 30 00:42:57 <PuffTheMagic> yeah i know you had them, but i didnt know much you could appreciate them having not done any service coding Oct 30 00:43:06 <destinal> :) Oct 30 00:43:26 <PuffTheMagic> destinal: like.... i wonder if everything that we can do in C can be done in java Oct 30 00:43:29 <destinal> PuffTheMagic: well I checked out their examples in the comments Oct 30 00:43:30 <PuffTheMagic> or is C special :D Oct 30 00:43:44 <PuffTheMagic> destinal: those comments are less than basic Oct 30 00:44:34 <destinal> ah, ok. from the basic stuff, it seems roughly equivilent. from your early service, I didn't see much special. I should have studied libpurple-adapter in more detail Oct 30 00:44:59 <destinal> maybe it shows things you can't do in java that I haven't seen yet Oct 30 00:45:00 <PuffTheMagic> http://git.webosinternals.org/?p=services/ipkgmgrsrv.git;a=summary Oct 30 00:45:09 <PuffTheMagic> ^^ im redoing ipkg service in C Oct 30 00:45:18 <PuffTheMagic> that uses a lot more features/methods Oct 30 00:45:43 <PuffTheMagic> for example, in C i can be on the private and public bus at the same time :D Oct 30 00:46:49 <destinal> PuffTheMagic: I thought any service listening on the public bus could be addressed via either Oct 30 00:47:18 <PuffTheMagic> destinal: not 100% true Oct 30 00:47:23 <destinal> since the palm.com stuff sends calls on private bus even to public services Oct 30 00:47:51 <destinal> and java services among those Oct 30 00:48:16 <PuffTheMagic> those services may send "output" to the public bus Oct 30 00:48:22 <PuffTheMagic> like connection info Oct 30 00:48:23 <PuffTheMagic> or something Oct 30 00:48:42 <PuffTheMagic> but a public bus app cant set values using private methods Oct 30 00:48:54 <destinal> PuffTheMagic: ipkgmgr.c is very interesting. Oct 30 00:49:01 <PuffTheMagic> but with C i can make a service that does not have a com.palm name Oct 30 00:49:11 <PuffTheMagic> and let non com.palm apps call it Oct 30 00:49:17 <PuffTheMagic> but still make calls to the private stuff Oct 30 00:49:21 <PuffTheMagic> also Oct 30 00:49:32 <PuffTheMagic> i can choose to only send stuff on the private or public or both Oct 30 00:50:07 <destinal> very cool. Oct 30 00:50:50 <PuffTheMagic> destinal: so i could make a "relay service" that exposes all the com.palm stuff to non com.palm mojo apps Oct 30 00:51:06 <PuffTheMagic> we can even make the confirmation stuff more secure Oct 30 00:51:21 <PuffTheMagic> cause the C api has a method to get the appID that made the call Oct 30 00:51:41 <PuffTheMagic> plus it seems like all messages already have unique tokens Oct 30 00:53:09 * egaudet needs a userland Oct 30 00:53:17 <egaudet> s/a/your/ Oct 30 00:53:17 <infobot> egaudet meant: I wouldn't pyoury a penny over $49.98 Oct 30 00:53:24 <destinal> lol Oct 30 00:53:29 <egaudet> hmm Oct 30 00:53:32 <egaudet> lol Oct 30 00:53:37 <destinal> you can't sed actions apparently Oct 30 00:53:45 <destinal> - /me 's Oct 30 00:53:54 <egaudet> i guess not :P Oct 30 00:54:27 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: you need to kick rwhitby in the ass to start getting the OE stuff in place Oct 30 00:54:30 <destinal> PuffTheMagic: very good progress, makes me wonder why they used so much java Oct 30 00:54:43 * egaudet kicks rwhitby Oct 30 00:54:53 <PuffTheMagic> destinal: yeah i really have no idea why they are such java fans Oct 30 00:54:53 <droO> is palm working on optimizing anything? Oct 30 00:55:11 <destinal> I suspect java devs are the most plentiful Oct 30 00:55:13 <PuffTheMagic> droO: it hink they have a lot on their plate Oct 30 00:55:21 <egaudet> probably because the java code is easily portable Oct 30 00:55:24 <PuffTheMagic> droO: just implementing missing features Oct 30 00:55:40 <destinal> bbl Oct 30 00:56:11 <droO> yeah, but its going to be tough competing with android :/ Oct 30 00:56:46 <PuffTheMagic> im not afraid of android Oct 30 00:56:48 <droO> hopefully they will put in the resources into it Oct 30 00:56:50 <droO> :\ Oct 30 00:57:03 <PuffTheMagic> didnt google drop android Oct 30 00:57:11 <droO> i dont think so.. Oct 30 00:57:15 <PuffTheMagic> in favor of netbooks and chrome os Oct 30 00:57:20 <droO> nope Oct 30 00:57:23 <droO> they will coexist Oct 30 00:57:35 <droO> and ya, im not afraid of android ..in its current state Oct 30 00:57:41 <droO> but 2.0 is looking even better Oct 30 00:58:06 <droO> and what about android 3.0, 4.0, etc Oct 30 00:58:20 <droO> especially with htc & motorola's involement with customui & apps Oct 30 00:58:27 <PuffTheMagic> yeah but there is no consistency between platforms Oct 30 00:58:44 <PuffTheMagic> and they have even less business market share than palm Oct 30 00:58:59 <droO> well senseui = very new for htc Oct 30 00:59:04 <droO> and motoblur is also very new Oct 30 00:59:12 <droO> so currently ya, but who knows in the future Oct 30 00:59:26 <jauderho> motorola driod looks nice. Oct 30 00:59:38 <egaudet> brb Oct 30 00:59:40 <droO> palm is definitely going to need to step it up ;o Oct 30 00:59:42 <PuffTheMagic> what im saying is that each company that is pushing out droid phones have their own UI Oct 30 00:59:43 <jauderho> say what you will about motorola but they have some very sharp product people. Oct 30 00:59:55 <PuffTheMagic> which means apps wont work right between platforms Oct 30 01:00:16 <droO> it shouldnt affect most Oct 30 01:00:33 <jauderho> worked with a couple of them with some stuff on the moto q. they were very on top of things. Oct 30 01:00:38 <droO> you can already run senseui/motoblur on other handsets Oct 30 01:00:46 <droO> g1 etc Oct 30 01:00:53 <PuffTheMagic> droO: u are missing the point still Oct 30 01:01:01 <PuffTheMagic> im not talking about running a UI on a different phone Oct 30 01:01:16 <PuffTheMagic> im talking about making an app for UI-1 and it wont look/work right on UI-2 Oct 30 01:01:42 <droO> ive played around with all 3 Oct 30 01:01:45 <PuffTheMagic> every webos app will work fine with little to no modification between devices Oct 30 01:01:58 <droO> cyanogen 1.6, hero rom, motoblur Oct 30 01:02:02 <droO> havent had any issues with apps Oct 30 01:02:05 <droO> between the 3 Oct 30 01:02:09 <droO> 3rd party apps... Oct 30 01:02:22 <PuffTheMagic> cause therea are probably 3 versions for the same app Oct 30 01:02:31 <droO> no, same apk's Oct 30 01:02:50 <PuffTheMagic> oil: ping Oct 30 01:03:02 <oil> ? Oct 30 01:03:18 <PuffTheMagic> oil: what did we settle on for the initial connection info Oct 30 01:03:32 <oil> idk Oct 30 01:03:52 <droO> they are basically different homescreen/contacts/widgets Oct 30 01:03:58 <droO> the appui remains basically the same Oct 30 01:04:16 <PuffTheMagic> fuck where is egaudget Oct 30 01:04:32 <jauderho> interesting. maemo appears to have opengl-es2 libraries http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2009-April/018890.html Oct 30 01:04:44 <droO> dont get me wrong, i love webos Oct 30 01:04:52 <droO> i just hope they can keep up with android Oct 30 01:04:53 <droO> :[ Oct 30 01:05:38 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: yo Oct 30 01:05:40 <jauderho> oh here we go. opengl es2 sdk http://www.imgtec.com/powervr/insider/sdk/KhronosOpenGLES2xSGX.asp Oct 30 01:05:45 <egaudet> PuffTheMagic, yo Oct 30 01:05:57 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: i need you to look at something and tell me what you think Oct 30 01:06:15 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: http://libircclient.sourceforge.net/group__conndisc.html#g121b23c9e131da651175ae779e1b6851 Oct 30 01:06:33 <PuffTheMagic> that should link you to the function to making a connection to a server Oct 30 01:06:38 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: what i cant tell is Oct 30 01:06:56 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: do you think you can make multiple connections per session Oct 30 01:07:03 <PuffTheMagic> or 1 connection per session Oct 30 01:07:26 <PuffTheMagic> when i read various parts of the docs it seems mixed Oct 30 01:07:44 <PuffTheMagic> session A session to initiate connections on. Must not be NULL. Oct 30 01:07:54 <PuffTheMagic> ^^ makes me think multiple connections per session Oct 30 01:08:07 <PuffTheMagic> irc_is_connected (irc_session_t *session) Oct 30 01:08:07 <PuffTheMagic> Checks whether the session is connecting/connected to the IRC server. Oct 30 01:08:18 <PuffTheMagic> ^^ makes me think 1 connection per session Oct 30 01:11:55 <egaudet> yea it's hard to tell from the docs Oct 30 01:12:05 <PuffTheMagic> i guess i cant go wrong with 1 to 1 Oct 30 01:12:30 <PuffTheMagic> but it would make more sense if i could lump all "connections" from 1 gui into 1 session Oct 30 01:12:34 <egaudet> I'd guess it is 1 to 1 Oct 30 01:12:54 <PuffTheMagic> time for a hashmap Oct 30 01:12:58 <egaudet> if it weren't 1 to 1, they would most likely have a disconnect based on connection rather than just session I'd think Oct 30 01:13:21 <PuffTheMagic> yeah good point Oct 30 01:15:27 <egaudet> kind of unfortunate though Oct 30 01:15:56 <egaudet> they separate the session creation and connection routines but if it's 1-to-1 you have to create and connect multiple sessions Oct 30 01:20:55 <egaudet> how far along are you in the irc service PuffTheMagic Oct 30 01:21:16 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: just starting a clean version of it cause i had a dirty one from before Oct 30 01:21:41 <PuffTheMagic> but the hard part is creating a "collection" of connection info that is paired with appID Oct 30 01:21:54 <PuffTheMagic> so that multiple mojo apps can use this service at the same time Oct 30 01:22:08 <PuffTheMagic> and so that mojo apps can connect to more than one server Oct 30 01:22:29 <PuffTheMagic> the rest of it is easy Oct 30 01:22:45 <PuffTheMagic> just relaying callbacks from the library to dbus Oct 30 01:22:53 <PuffTheMagic> and formatting that output into json Oct 30 01:29:36 <thatdude> Hello ladies Oct 30 01:30:12 <thatdude> Update ubuntu today. Oct 30 01:30:36 <thatdude> +PuffTheMagic: How did your trip go? Oct 30 01:32:17 <PuffTheMagic> thatdude: good, lots of sweet talks, met the head of cog sci phd program who wants me to start there mid-january Oct 30 01:33:33 <thatdude> PuffTheMagic: That's great news. Doctor PuffTheMagic :P Oct 30 01:33:44 <PuffTheMagic> :D Oct 30 01:34:28 <thatdude> PuffTheMagic: Did your fether worked? ;) Oct 30 01:34:43 <PuffTheMagic> tether? Oct 30 01:34:49 <thatdude> yes Oct 30 01:35:21 <PuffTheMagic> yeah it worked well... and prob would have worked better if i realized there was that 64k throttle :D Oct 30 01:35:41 <PuffTheMagic> thatdude: freeTether will be released after i get wIRCd 0.1.0 out the door Oct 30 01:36:19 <thatdude> PuffTheMagic: awesome news... will be using both. Oct 30 01:37:04 <thatdude> PuffTheMagic: That reminds me... I need to disable that throttle... but I don't remember where I read it. Oct 30 01:37:17 <PuffTheMagic> there is a patch for it no in preware Oct 30 01:37:22 <PuffTheMagic> idk if it works though Oct 30 01:37:27 <PuffTheMagic> actually Oct 30 01:37:32 <PuffTheMagic> what is it for exactly Oct 30 01:37:37 <PuffTheMagic> cause i did a speed test Oct 30 01:37:45 <PuffTheMagic> and i got like 2.4 mb/s Oct 30 01:37:52 <PuffTheMagic> which is like max for evdo Oct 30 01:38:18 <thatdude> PuffTheMagic: Which site you use for speed test? Oct 30 01:38:27 <PuffTheMagic> speedtest.net Oct 30 01:38:31 <jauderho> gak. this opengl sdk is so strangely laid out Oct 30 01:38:48 <jauderho> if you want to test on the pre, try testmyiphone.com. read about that today Oct 30 01:39:19 <thatdude> PuffTheMagic: Well I won't be able to do it thru my phone browser, heh. Oct 30 01:39:41 <PuffTheMagic> thatdude: well i was doing it from my laptop over usb tether :D Oct 30 01:40:20 <thatdude> PuffTheMagic: Well I will have to wait until you release to the public >< Oct 30 01:40:35 <jauderho> thatdude: try testmyiphone.com instead. you should be able to access that from the pre Oct 30 01:42:49 <thatdude> jauderho: thanks Oct 30 01:43:07 <jauderho> I'm getting 2.2Mbps (without the patch) Oct 30 01:43:15 <jauderho> I guess I should try with the patch Oct 30 01:43:31 <jauderho> "OpenGL ES 2 libraries are not distributed with the POWERVR Linux SDKs. Ask your platform Oct 30 01:43:31 <jauderho> provider for these libraries if you do not have them." Oct 30 01:43:38 <jauderho> Well that's just great... Oct 30 01:43:53 <PuffTheMagic> jauderho: thats about what i got Oct 30 01:43:58 <PuffTheMagic> and that is about max for cdma Oct 30 01:44:53 <thatdude> jauderho: How large was the file you use to test? Oct 30 01:44:59 <jauderho> hmm. I wonder who has access to a Maemo device Oct 30 01:45:03 <jauderho> thatdude: 512k Oct 30 01:45:09 <jauderho> anything bigger timed out for me Oct 30 01:46:07 * thatdude laughts at my connection Oct 30 01:46:41 <jauderho> ARGH Oct 30 01:46:59 * thatdude re-test speed Oct 30 01:47:22 <jauderho> what is the point of distributing a SDK when you do not share the libraries. Oct 30 01:48:45 <thatdude> 421 Kbps - ha! Oct 30 01:49:00 <jauderho> btw I tested using wifi Oct 30 01:51:53 <jauderho> oh well. just sent an email to Imagination Tech to see if they will share the libs. not holding up high hopes tho. Oct 30 01:52:13 <rwhitby> jauderho: wouldn't the libs be device-specific? Oct 30 01:52:33 <jauderho> the nokia n900 uses the exact same hardware Oct 30 01:52:58 <jauderho> so I would imagine the libs off an N900 would work Oct 30 01:54:07 <jauderho> and the imagination tech website specifically mentions the n900 and the omap3430 Oct 30 01:54:38 <jauderho> http://www.imgtec.com/powervr/insider/sdkdownloads/index.asp#GLES2 Oct 30 01:55:32 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: ping Oct 30 01:57:21 <egaudet> PuffTheMagic, pong Oct 30 01:57:46 <PuffTheMagic> did you want to work on this service too? i can send you userland that im using Oct 30 01:57:59 <egaudet> yea Oct 30 01:58:03 <egaudet> give me userland Oct 30 02:01:25 <egaudet> what package is jar in in ubuntu Oct 30 02:03:39 <edektor_> hey I'm making a twitter list for webos-devs.. Give me your name and I'll add you to it.. You can follow it at twitter.com/erickreutz/webos-devs Oct 30 02:03:50 <edektor_> Some of you might already be on it Oct 30 02:03:51 <rwhitby> edektor_: @webosinternals Oct 30 02:04:48 <edektor_> rwhitby: your already on it Oct 30 02:06:19 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: jar comes with java usually Oct 30 02:06:24 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: i pushed wIRCd Oct 30 02:06:27 <PuffTheMagic> what i have so far Oct 30 02:06:32 <PuffTheMagic> and im xzing the userland Oct 30 02:06:34 <edektor> hey I'm making a twitter list for webos-devs.. Give me your name and I'll add you to it.. You can follow it at twitter.com/erickreutz/webos-devs Oct 30 02:06:34 <edektor> Some of you might already be on it Oct 30 02:07:15 <edektor_> so for the multiple posts im having trouble with my connection Oct 30 02:07:22 <egaudet> @silentLaughter, although I don't really tweet Oct 30 02:07:26 <PuffTheMagic> edektor: what could you twitter about that we dont already know ;_ Oct 30 02:07:32 <PuffTheMagic> aww too late Oct 30 02:07:35 <egaudet> I want my jar back!@ Oct 30 02:07:39 <PuffTheMagic> twitter is retarded Oct 30 02:07:39 <egaudet> damn karmic koala what have you done Oct 30 02:11:08 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: preyourmind.org/files/pre-userland.tar.xz Oct 30 02:12:46 <egaudet> what's xz Oct 30 02:13:04 <egaudet> tar have an option for it Oct 30 02:17:35 <rwhitby> xz? Oct 30 02:19:03 <PuffTheMagic> xz is the improved lzma Oct 30 02:19:13 <PuffTheMagic> it actually has magic header Oct 30 02:19:25 <PuffTheMagic> and other things Oct 30 02:19:28 <PuffTheMagic> which lzma did not Oct 30 02:19:30 <PuffTheMagic> same algo Oct 30 02:19:54 <PuffTheMagic> xz should be supported by tar Oct 30 02:20:02 <PuffTheMagic> if u have a new version Oct 30 02:20:18 <rwhitby> right ..... Oct 30 02:20:32 <PuffTheMagic> if not un xz it manually :D Oct 30 02:20:32 <egaudet> why can't everyone just use the same things for version and help Oct 30 02:20:43 <egaudet> -v, -version, --version Oct 30 02:20:51 <PuffTheMagic> ummm Oct 30 02:20:54 <PuffTheMagic> what about verbose Oct 30 02:20:56 <egaudet> i always try the wrong one first Oct 30 02:20:59 <PuffTheMagic> -v -verbose --verbose Oct 30 02:21:14 <egaudet> --version should always be supported then Oct 30 02:21:23 <egaudet> or maybe not, fine Oct 30 02:21:31 <PuffTheMagic> but which one is -v andwhich one is -V Oct 30 02:21:45 <egaudet> -V = VERBOSE, and -v = version Oct 30 02:21:47 <egaudet> that's what I say Oct 30 02:22:21 * rwhitby starts a MACHINE=palmpre DISTRO=minimal OE build ... Oct 30 02:22:35 <egaudet> :) Oct 30 02:22:40 <PuffTheMagic> yay! Oct 30 02:22:51 <PuffTheMagic> rwhitby: armv7l !!! Oct 30 02:23:06 <rwhitby> PuffTheMagic: two text files, a git clone and an svn co is all that's required to get OE running Oct 30 02:24:40 <jauderho> thatdude: ping Oct 30 02:24:53 <jauderho> thatdude: was your speed test with or without the patch? Oct 30 02:26:36 * rwhitby goes for lunch while bitbake bakes ... Oct 30 02:28:19 <thatdude> jauderho: The test was without the patch and it just using EVDO Oct 30 02:28:23 <lingfish> God damnit... Where's a Tim's Pre!!!!!! Oct 30 02:28:37 <thatdude> Btw ping does not work for me Oct 30 02:28:38 <jauderho> thatdude: have you tried it with patch yet? Oct 30 02:28:49 <jauderho> I want some tim-tams Oct 30 02:28:53 <thatdude> jauderho: nope Oct 30 02:28:53 <jauderho> hungry Oct 30 02:31:15 <rwhitby> jauderho: are you in .au ? Oct 30 02:31:25 <lingfish> Hi Rod. Oct 30 02:31:26 <jauderho> rwhitby: no. Oct 30 02:31:32 <jauderho> they have tim tams in the us now Oct 30 02:31:41 <jauderho> BUT they sell out quickly. Oct 30 02:31:53 <jauderho> and only from october to march (wth??!?) Oct 30 02:32:14 <egaudet> what is wrong with that Opal character? Oct 30 02:32:25 <jauderho> dang. it's still early enuff to make a run to target... Oct 30 02:32:27 <jauderho> hmmm Oct 30 02:32:27 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: u get that extracted? Oct 30 02:32:28 <jauderho> hmmm Oct 30 02:32:41 <egaudet> PuffTheMagic, no I was waiting for stupid gcj-jdk to install Oct 30 02:32:48 <tlp> hmm. I'm in Salt Lake City right now and have seen "Ev" for the first time on my Pre. Oct 30 02:32:55 <PuffTheMagic> u cant install multiple things at once? Oct 30 02:33:02 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: linux supports multitasking you know Oct 30 02:33:16 <PuffTheMagic> ctrl+t or ctrl+n == new terminal tab usually ;) Oct 30 02:33:48 <Robi_> tabs? heh wow Oct 30 02:33:49 <egaudet> apt-get doesn't support multitasking Oct 30 02:33:56 <egaudet> and I need to get xz-utils Oct 30 02:34:04 <Robi_> egaudet: it's downloader does Oct 30 02:34:23 <rwhitby> egaudet: ah, but it will save you some tens of bytes of download size, so it's *really* worth packing it with .xz ... Oct 30 02:34:57 <Marajin> yeah, fear the compression ratio! Oct 30 02:35:21 <egaudet> :P Oct 30 02:35:22 <thatdude> jauderho: Also I was unable to find the patch in Preware Oct 30 02:35:36 <jauderho> thatdude: look under misc Oct 30 02:35:38 <jauderho> it;s there Oct 30 02:36:20 <Robi_> egaudet: just hack it to not download at all but use zsync instead ;] Oct 30 02:37:27 <PuffTheMagic> rwhitby: lzma has awesome compression ratios in general... people should start using it more Oct 30 02:37:28 * Robi_ wonders if zsync woudl be more efficient overall than compression Oct 30 02:37:33 <PuffTheMagic> it will be taking over the world Oct 30 02:37:49 <Robi_> PuffTheMagic: it's not 1980 anymore Oct 30 02:38:02 <thatdude> lol Oct 30 02:38:41 <Robi_> hmm no zsync for win32 Oct 30 02:41:17 <egaudet> alright PuffTheMagic Oct 30 02:44:24 <thatdude> jauderho: No changes after the patch in WIFI and EVDO Oct 30 02:44:34 <jauderho> good to know Oct 30 02:45:45 <thatdude> How the hec this Call Block/Rejecter patch work...I don't see no options under Contact Oct 30 02:46:40 <egaudet> cannot find -lglib-2.0 Oct 30 02:48:00 <PuffTheMagic> you need to define some shit in your env Oct 30 02:48:08 <PuffTheMagic> CROSS_COMPILE Oct 30 02:48:11 <egaudet> done Oct 30 02:48:13 <PuffTheMagic> and CROSS_COMPILE_ROOT Oct 30 02:48:14 <egaudet> done Oct 30 02:48:35 * thatdude figured it out Oct 30 02:49:16 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: well is that .so in the archive i sent you? Oct 30 02:49:44 <PuffTheMagic> it should be Oct 30 02:49:55 <egaudet> yea you don't -L anywhere in the Makefile though Oct 30 02:49:59 <egaudet> so I'll try adding it Oct 30 02:50:33 <PuffTheMagic> i dont seem to need it here Oct 30 02:50:44 <PuffTheMagic> my toolchain must be smart Oct 30 02:50:54 <egaudet> oh hell not this libc.so.6 crap again Oct 30 02:52:24 <PuffTheMagic> yeah Oct 30 02:52:32 <PuffTheMagic> you need that special thingy Oct 30 02:52:38 <PuffTheMagic> cause of that retarded toolchain u have Oct 30 02:52:50 <PuffTheMagic> rpath ftl Oct 30 02:53:01 <egaudet> sigh Oct 30 02:53:25 <egaudet> I fail at installing gentoo too Oct 30 02:53:58 <PuffTheMagic> u dont remember the trick? Oct 30 02:54:06 <PuffTheMagic> you need to link to that special libc dir Oct 30 02:54:15 <PuffTheMagic> in your toolchain dir Oct 30 02:55:14 <egaudet> I don't remember Oct 30 02:55:16 <egaudet> I'm trying to Oct 30 02:57:43 <egaudet> ok I got it Oct 30 02:58:11 <egaudet> -Xlinker -rpath-link crap Oct 30 02:59:56 <PuffTheMagic> lol **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Oct 30 02:59:58 2009