**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Oct 30 02:59:58 2009
Oct 30 03:00:12 <egaudet> why isn't it complaining about -llunaservice?
Oct 30 03:01:11 <PuffTheMagic> idk why it dont complain about that but it does about glib
Oct 30 03:01:24 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: but i probably forgot that i put the so in that archive
Oct 30 03:01:30 <PuffTheMagic> i mean
Oct 30 03:01:42 <PuffTheMagic> i didnt intend to redistribute that .so
Oct 30 03:01:45 <PuffTheMagic> but its there
Oct 30 03:01:53 <PuffTheMagic> in usr/lib
Oct 30 03:02:38 <egaudet> ah I thought I searched for it and didn't find it
Oct 30 03:02:52 <egaudet> ok
Oct 30 03:03:10 <egaudet> i have a wIRCd binary
Oct 30 03:03:19 <egaudet> :D
Oct 30 03:07:42 <egaudet> Installer was re-released?
Oct 30 03:10:14 <Robi_> http://zsync.moria.org.uk/
Oct 30 03:10:29 <rwhitby> egaudet: yep, it's up to 0.0.2
Oct 30 03:10:54 <egaudet> what major changes came this time!
Oct 30 03:10:56 <egaudet> super speed?
Oct 30 03:11:39 <rwhitby> egaudet: colour scheme I believe ...
Oct 30 03:12:05 <rwhitby> it's hard to tell - the SVN repository deletes and re-adds every file on each revision
Oct 30 03:12:31 <egaudet> that's lame
Oct 30 03:12:56 <egaudet> where's this svn?
Oct 30 03:13:42 <egaudet> nvm got it
Oct 30 03:14:54 <droO> does anyone know a lot about gpl?
Oct 30 03:15:54 <rwhitby> richard stallman does ...
Oct 30 03:18:59 <egaudet> got rid of startup scene
Oct 30 03:19:52 <egaudet> or was that added in preware 095
Oct 30 03:21:44 <rwhitby> that has not been released in preware yet
Oct 30 03:37:45 <dBsooner> man what a day
Oct 30 03:38:34 <dBsooner> egaudet: ?
Oct 30 03:38:58 <egaudet> dBsooner, ?
Oct 30 03:39:05 <dBsooner> you haven't pushed?
Oct 30 03:39:10 <egaudet> send me postinst and Makefile
Oct 30 03:39:18 <dBsooner> lol
Oct 30 03:39:19 <egaudet> did you make prerm?
Oct 30 03:39:23 <dBsooner> not yet
Oct 30 03:39:32 <dBsooner> won't take a sec though
Oct 30 03:54:16 <Robi_> ust signed up for UbuntuOne..auto sync files across all ubuntu machines.. 2GB free cloud storage, web mgmt at https://one.ubuntu.com/files/
Oct 30 03:55:30 <dBsooner> egaudet: http://www.dbtrunk.com/postinst
Oct 30 03:55:36 <dBsooner> egaudet: http://www.dbtrunk.com/prerm
Oct 30 03:55:45 <dBsooner> egaudet might look at that prerm
Oct 30 04:01:02 <dBsooner> egaudet:
Oct 30 04:02:01 <dBsooner> prerm and postinst are made in common.mk..
Oct 30 04:02:12 <dBsooner> so does the sed replacement have to take place in there?
Oct 30 04:02:13 <egaudet> ?
Oct 30 04:02:24 <dBsooner> build/all/CONTROL/prerm
Oct 30 04:02:35 <egaudet> yea same place the APP_DIR and PATCH_NAME gets inserted
Oct 30 04:02:39 <dBsooner> right
Oct 30 04:02:40 <egaudet> and the prerm needs change
Oct 30 04:03:21 <dBsooner> so what do we do? Define the "EXTRA_FILES" in Makefile
Oct 30 04:03:32 <dBsooner> then in build/all/CONTROL/prerm
Oct 30 04:04:01 <dBsooner> do an if [ ${EXTRA_FILES} != "" ] then sed replace... fi?
Oct 30 04:04:15 <egaudet> alright we need a re-do postinst maybe too
Oct 30 04:04:34 <dBsooner> ?
Oct 30 04:04:36 <egaudet> image replacement is not a autopatch technology controlled only thing
Oct 30 04:04:51 <dBsooner> huh?
Oct 30 04:05:12 <egaudet> I'm not sure we want to blindly backup and recover
Oct 30 04:05:40 <egaudet> I don't like this at all
Oct 30 04:06:14 <dBsooner> sigh
Oct 30 04:06:38 <dBsooner> What other options do we really have?
Oct 30 04:07:09 <egaudet> OK imagine this... a patch that also updates an image
Oct 30 04:07:15 <thewhitetower> Hi rod
Oct 30 04:07:23 <egaudet> yet a theme changes that image too
Oct 30 04:07:28 <egaudet> it's not necessarily a conflict
Oct 30 04:07:36 <dBsooner> thewhitetower: i would say hi 'rwhitby', so it pings him.
Oct 30 04:07:53 <egaudet> and then what if just the image wanted to update, not the patch.  I still want to get image replacement into different package ideally.
Oct 30 04:08:00 <egaudet> although if that's not possible and we need to do it in the scripts
Oct 30 04:08:18 <dBsooner> rwhitby has already said it's not possible.
Oct 30 04:08:23 <egaudet> do we md5sum the existing image first?  Do we save a new image md5sum
Oct 30 04:08:26 <dBsooner> that depends don't work the way we wanted them to
Oct 30 04:08:31 <egaudet> he said it's not possible to use depends in that manner
Oct 30 04:08:35 <rwhitby> thewhitetower: hi
Oct 30 04:08:46 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet + rwhitby i have a question for you
Oct 30 04:08:47 <egaudet> didn't say it was impossible to do packages like this.
Oct 30 04:08:53 <egaudet> 42
Oct 30 04:08:59 <PuffTheMagic> do you think I could use a pointer as a unique id/token
Oct 30 04:09:08 <PuffTheMagic> like as a key in a hashmap
Oct 30 04:09:24 <thewhitetower> Hi mate - managed to get myself through the activation in German and through the various set-up screens and have managed to change the language to english
Oct 30 04:10:05 <rwhitby> thewhitetower: did you do the meta-doctor to change the keyboard?
Oct 30 04:10:35 <thewhitetower> no mate - havent had a chance as yet - not quite sure how to do it
Oct 30 04:11:52 <egaudet> PuffTheMagic, a pointer is just an 8 bit field, sure why not
Oct 30 04:12:04 <dBsooner> egaudet: I don't know man. I mean we can backup only md5sum'd original files..
Oct 30 04:12:18 <dBsooner> but what about non-originals?
Oct 30 04:12:56 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: also, i memset a struct.... do i still need to malloc it first?
Oct 30 04:12:59 <egaudet> dBsooner, I think we can back up whatever file is there fine, but only remove if the file hasn't changed or something.
Oct 30 04:13:10 <egaudet> PuffTheMagic, depends
Oct 30 04:13:29 <dBsooner> ahh
Oct 30 04:13:29 <egaudet> what's in the struct
Oct 30 04:13:49 <egaudet> if you have pointers that have no allocated memory yet then yea
Oct 30 04:14:03 <PuffTheMagic> pointers to functions
Oct 30 04:14:08 <dBsooner> egaudet: store "replaced" image in the package dir..
Oct 30 04:14:17 <egaudet> PuffTheMagic, no alloc needed then
Oct 30 04:14:37 <dBsooner> md5sum "original" and "package backed up", if they are equal, replace.
Oct 30 04:14:43 <dBsooner> s/replace/restore/
Oct 30 04:14:43 <infobot> dBsooner meant: md5sum "original" and "package backed up", if they are equal, restore.
Oct 30 04:14:58 <egaudet> only need to allocate if you need space for what the pointer is pointing too.
Oct 30 04:15:16 <egaudet> but it's just going to be pointing to something that already exists in memory
Oct 30 04:15:27 <bpadalino> one hopes!
Oct 30 04:16:04 <egaudet> dBsooner, why md5sum original?
Oct 30 04:16:31 <dBsooner> let me rephrase that
Oct 30 04:16:50 <egaudet> backup, overwrite, md5sum new, save md5sums file.  on removal, recover iff current file matches saved md5sums
Oct 30 04:16:54 <rwhitby> thewhitetower: do you have a linux box handy?  Ubuntu preferably?
Oct 30 04:17:09 <rwhitby> thewhitetower: are you on GTalk by chance?
Oct 30 04:17:15 <dBsooner> egaudet: yes
Oct 30 04:17:22 <dBsooner> egaudet: that's what I meant.. in a nutshell.
Oct 30 04:17:31 <egaudet> and EPR recovers regardless
Oct 30 04:17:45 <egaudet> so there's the "out"
Oct 30 04:17:48 <dBsooner> egaudet: yeah
Oct 30 04:17:53 <dBsooner> egaudet: that makes sense
Oct 30 04:18:00 <dBsooner> egaudet: that would keep a "themed" image in place
Oct 30 04:18:21 <dBsooner> should be blow out the .webosinternals.orig if the md5sum's don't match?
Oct 30 04:18:51 <egaudet> but then do we really want to stop the entire package from uninstalling just because the images were changed
Oct 30 04:19:12 <dBsooner> nope
Oct 30 04:19:13 <egaudet> what if it's a case where the user wants the theme'd image but not the patched functionality anymore
Oct 30 04:19:13 <dBsooner> let it uninstall
Oct 30 04:19:26 <dBsooner> exactly
Oct 30 04:19:27 <egaudet> so leave the images
Oct 30 04:19:28 <dBsooner> let it uninstall
Oct 30 04:19:30 <dBsooner> and leave the image
Oct 30 04:19:33 <egaudet> but EPR will still screw it up
Oct 30 04:19:38 <dBsooner> blow out the .webosinternals.orig
Oct 30 04:19:46 <dBsooner> but think down the road
Oct 30 04:19:48 <egaudet> then you lose the backup
Oct 30 04:19:56 <dBsooner> we want THEMES to be EPR whipable.
Oct 30 04:20:15 <egaudet> yea but we don't control that, we may HOPE it, but that's not up to us
Oct 30 04:20:54 <dBsooner> true
Oct 30 04:20:56 <oil> but you can build the spec that they can choose to follow
Oct 30 04:21:03 <dBsooner> oil: true as well
Oct 30 04:21:11 <egaudet> rwhitby, oil, can we get a new metadata field?
Oct 30 04:21:17 <oil> ?
Oct 30 04:21:20 <rwhitby> egaudet: depends
Oct 30 04:21:24 <egaudet> like "MARRIED" or something, like an inter-depends
Oct 30 04:21:28 <oil> no thats nt metadata
Oct 30 04:21:30 <oil> xD
Oct 30 04:21:53 <oil> that was to rwhitbys "depends" reply not to your question...
Oct 30 04:21:57 <egaudet> I'm not sure it even makes sense at this point but thinking aloud
Oct 30 04:22:52 <oil> so whats the difference between that and saying something depends on it and vice versa?
Oct 30 04:23:14 <dBsooner> because we want the package to get removed if either fail
Oct 30 04:23:19 <egaudet> none of the married packages could be installed without the others
Oct 30 04:23:25 <dBsooner> A and B go in together and leave together
Oct 30 04:23:26 <rwhitby> egaudet: so far we've been able to get ipkgs compatible with standard ipkg behaviour.
Oct 30 04:23:32 <dBsooner> if A installs first and B fails, A needs removed.
Oct 30 04:23:41 <rwhitby> egaudet: I'd rather not add something that only Preware understands ...
Oct 30 04:23:46 <egaudet> it probably doesn't make sense anyway
Oct 30 04:24:00 <oil> basically you  just want depends to act differently...
Oct 30 04:24:13 <rwhitby> if A and B need to be installed and removed together, then just put them in one package ...
Oct 30 04:24:16 <egaudet> nevermind, it was a flawed idea
Oct 30 04:24:29 <egaudet> yea rwhitby exactly
Oct 30 04:24:58 <dBsooner> I am with rwhitby on the idea of "not adding something that only Preware understands."
Oct 30 04:25:09 <egaudet> rwhitby, do you see anything wrong with blowing away the backup image on removal if the image was modified but still exists
Oct 30 04:25:11 <rwhitby> egaudet: if we come up with an AutoPatch upgrade which can handle patches and themes interchangeably, then I think AnOutsider would go for it
Oct 30 04:25:23 <dBsooner> rwhitby: what if you don't?
Oct 30 04:25:26 <dBsooner> err..
Oct 30 04:25:29 <dBsooner> egaudet: ^^
Oct 30 04:25:44 <egaudet> well AnOutsider is also not the only themer
Oct 30 04:25:54 <dBsooner> What about the next time that file wants to get replaced.. and .webosinternals.orig already exists?
Oct 30 04:25:57 <rwhitby> egaudet: he and us are the only ones that create ipkgs
Oct 30 04:26:02 <egaudet> and Jason is already using patches in QI theme installs
Oct 30 04:26:17 <egaudet> QI uses AP for patches inside themes though I believe
Oct 30 04:27:25 <egaudet> Well I guess I like that best then.  Don't recover the backup image if it was changed, but leave the backup file for EPR
Oct 30 04:27:41 <egaudet> still continue to remove patch though
Oct 30 04:27:49 <PuffTheMagic> do i need to do anything special to convert an "int" into a "unsigned short"
Oct 30 04:27:56 <dBsooner> egaudet: but what if a patch after that wants to change that same file?
Oct 30 04:28:02 <dBsooner> and the .webosinternals.orig is already there?
Oct 30 04:28:08 <dBsooner> overwrite it?
Oct 30 04:28:27 <egaudet> PuffTheMagic, just cast it as long as you know your int doesn't overflow the short
Oct 30 04:28:41 <PuffTheMagic> its a port number
Oct 30 04:28:50 <PuffTheMagic> so what is the max port 65000 something
Oct 30 04:28:50 <egaudet> simple cast should be fine
Oct 30 04:28:56 <dBsooner> ports can be up to 65535
Oct 30 04:29:11 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: i figured out how to simplify things a ton
Oct 30 04:29:17 <PuffTheMagic> i was making it way way to complicated
Oct 30 04:29:18 <egaudet> dBsooner, what do you mean patch after that wants to change the same file?
Oct 30 04:29:25 <oil> simplification good
Oct 30 04:29:39 <egaudet> so we install A which overwrites image, then theme that image, then remove A which removes patch but not image and keeps backup
Oct 30 04:29:49 <egaudet> then install A again would fail because we already have a backup... hmm
Oct 30 04:30:19 <egaudet> PuffTheMagic, talking about wIRCd?
Oct 30 04:30:21 <PuffTheMagic> oil: yeah 1 call
Oct 30 04:30:24 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: yeah
Oct 30 04:30:29 <dBsooner> egaudet: first patch creates this.png.orig, theme installs and changes this.png, unisntall patch and md5sum != so .png.prig is not recoverred, but left in place,
Oct 30 04:30:38 <dBsooner> patch 2 now wants to touch this.png.orig..
Oct 30 04:30:51 <dBsooner> s/this.png.orig/this.png/
Oct 30 04:30:52 <infobot> dBsooner meant: patch 2 now wants to touch this.png..
Oct 30 04:31:14 <dBsooner> egaudet: exactly
Oct 30 04:31:26 <dBsooner> so you should either blow it out
Oct 30 04:31:36 <dBsooner> or force overwrite of .orig
Oct 30 04:31:59 <dBsooner> this is why i HATE file REPLACEMENT
Oct 30 04:32:09 <rwhitby> the most important thing is either to fail-safe or continue in a way that still allows EPR to work.
Oct 30 04:32:17 <egaudet> I agree
Oct 30 04:32:28 <dBsooner> then I would say allow the .orig to be overwritten
Oct 30 04:32:29 <egaudet> which means neither blowing away or force overwrite of orig
Oct 30 04:32:35 <dBsooner> sigh
Oct 30 04:32:42 <egaudet> dBsooner, then your EPR recovers themed file
Oct 30 04:32:46 <dBsooner> so what if patch A wants to install again
Oct 30 04:32:46 <egaudet> and no way to EPR back to original file
Oct 30 04:33:05 <dBsooner> so only back orig file
Oct 30 04:33:09 <dBsooner> and leave it
Oct 30 04:33:11 <egaudet> we could just not copy the image over
Oct 30 04:33:19 <dBsooner> yeah
Oct 30 04:33:21 <dBsooner> good idea
Oct 30 04:33:35 <egaudet> I mean there's no good way to solve this without themes agreeing with us
Oct 30 04:34:00 <egaudet> if we were designing it for sure so that all image replacement was following this methodology it would be one thing, but to support multiple outside influences on images it's tough
Oct 30 04:34:09 <dBsooner> I'd say EPR sTill !compatible with Themes. :D
Oct 30 04:34:22 <dBsooner> that if you Run EPR it MIGHT break your theme. ;)
Oct 30 04:34:44 <dBsooner> egaudet: s/tough/next to impossible/
Oct 30 04:34:46 <egaudet> well EPR's first line in descriptions says --UNINSTALL THEME FIRST--
Oct 30 04:34:59 <dBsooner> yep
Oct 30 04:35:07 <dBsooner> so screw the whatif's
Oct 30 04:35:08 <egaudet> I don't care about breaking the theme with EPR
Oct 30 04:35:27 <dBsooner> ok .. scenario 1)
Oct 30 04:35:29 <egaudet> EPR getting back to state prior to first touching the file for each file
Oct 30 04:35:34 <dBsooner> yes
Oct 30 04:36:01 <dBsooner> i'd say first run on install, backup to .orig if its not there
Oct 30 04:36:14 <dBsooner> reagardless if its a webOS original or "themedA" imaged
Oct 30 04:36:18 <dBsooner> then leave it
Oct 30 04:36:34 <dBsooner> dump the md5sum into info
Oct 30 04:37:02 <dBsooner> on removal, if md5sum's match, mv the .orig back over to .
Oct 30 04:37:19 <dBsooner> if md5sum's don't match, leave both files as is
Oct 30 04:38:30 <egaudet> ...
Oct 30 04:38:38 <egaudet> and then on 2nd install attempt?
Oct 30 04:39:20 <egaudet> so on install if backup file exists, who cares
Oct 30 04:40:22 <dBsooner> yep
Oct 30 04:41:50 <egaudet> http://webos.pastebin.com/m27bf536c
Oct 30 04:42:25 <egaudet> meh didn't do md5sum nvm
Oct 30 04:50:41 <dBsooner> egaudet: got it yet?
Oct 30 04:51:05 <egaudet> got the postinst
Oct 30 04:51:07 <egaudet> working on prerm
Oct 30 04:51:10 <dBsooner> k
Oct 30 04:52:30 <dBsooner> This will officially make AutoPatch ready for themes
Oct 30 04:52:34 <dBsooner> you realize that right?
Oct 30 04:58:19 <egaudet> postinst: http://webos.pastebin.com/d5d2fe4d0
Oct 30 04:58:28 <egaudet> prerm: http://webos.pastebin.com/m1ce96e8a
Oct 30 05:01:19 <dBsooner> mv $file.webosinternals.orig $file
Oct 30 05:01:22 <dBsooner> needs -f
Oct 30 05:01:28 <dBsooner> just in case
Oct 30 05:02:17 <egaudet> no
Oct 30 05:02:35 <dBsooner> oh i see
Oct 30 05:02:38 <dBsooner> you rm'd it
Oct 30 05:02:38 <egaudet> rm -f $file directly preceding it
Oct 30 05:02:45 <dBsooner> lol, I skipped tha tline
Oct 30 05:03:10 <egaudet> and the busybox cp/mv I think will just blindly overwrite anyway
Oct 30 05:03:59 <dBsooner> wow.. princess leah is old
Oct 30 05:04:09 <dBsooner> egaudet looks good
Oct 30 05:04:15 <zsoc> dBsooner, nice, was just thinking that
Oct 30 05:04:48 <zsoc> egaudet, i confirm the funny functionality of the busybox cp/mv :)
Oct 30 05:04:54 <dBsooner> and she wasn't fat in the 70's..
Oct 30 05:05:01 <dBsooner> and I dind't think she had boobs
Oct 30 05:05:30 <dBsooner> egaudet: what about removing the md5sum from the md5sums.patched?
Oct 30 05:05:39 <egaudet> it's in the app dir
Oct 30 05:06:12 <egaudet> so it gets blown away after removal
Oct 30 05:06:16 <dBsooner> oh. ok.
Oct 30 05:08:13 <egaudet> ok I need sleep
Oct 30 05:08:16 <egaudet> want me to send you the files?
Oct 30 05:08:17 <dBsooner> lol
Oct 30 05:08:23 <dBsooner> yeah
Oct 30 05:08:37 <egaudet> another day of thinking and testing, maybe push tomorrow night
Oct 30 05:08:42 <dBsooner> k
Oct 30 05:09:05 <egaudet> whats' your email
Oct 30 05:09:08 * PuffTheMagic is disapointed with the mount of patch talk
Oct 30 05:09:22 <dBsooner> daniel.beames@dbtrunk.com
Oct 30 05:09:29 <dBsooner> or dbsooner@dbtrunk.com
Oct 30 05:09:35 <dBsooner> or webos-patches@dbtrunk.com
Oct 30 05:09:38 * oil thinks there need to be more wirc talk xD
Oct 30 05:09:43 <dBsooner> or rod@webos-internals.org
Oct 30 05:10:01 <jauderho> or opengl talk
Oct 30 05:10:02 * dBsooner wants a hostname cloack! :(
Oct 30 05:10:06 <egaudet> wtf my attach button doesn't work in yahoo firefox ubuntu karmic
Oct 30 05:10:14 <dBsooner> s/cloack/cloak/
Oct 30 05:10:21 <dBsooner> lol
Oct 30 05:10:27 <dBsooner> oh yea.. karmic launched public today
Oct 30 05:10:38 <PuffTheMagic> dBsooner: u can get a free one
Oct 30 05:10:38 <dBsooner> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
Oct 30 05:10:41 <egaudet> so what's the odds of a fully functional wIRC by Monday?
Oct 30 05:10:46 <dBsooner> PuffTheMagic: I want a cool one
Oct 30 05:10:48 <PuffTheMagic> dBsooner: i mean.... u can get one right now
Oct 30 05:10:54 <dBsooner> dBsooner: i want a cool one
Oct 30 05:11:09 <dBsooner> PuffTheMagic: ^^
Oct 30 05:11:19 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: by the 31st is my goal
Oct 30 05:11:28 <egaudet> sweet
Oct 30 05:13:42 <egaudet> I lost novaterm
Oct 30 05:18:38 <oil> PuffTheMagic: have you done anything with the gui yet?
Oct 30 05:18:45 <PuffTheMagic> oil: nope
Oct 30 05:18:50 <oil> ok
Oct 30 05:19:03 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: u gonna have time to work on the service at all tomorrow/saturday?
Oct 30 05:19:12 <egaudet> I should yea
Oct 30 05:19:27 <egaudet> Not much going on this weekend
Oct 30 05:19:54 <Templarian> http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/4793/screensy.png Another screenshot if you didn't see the first 2 they are here (http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/8679/screentl.png). Fun quick app.
Oct 30 05:21:45 <egaudet> dBsooner, you get the files
Oct 30 05:22:33 * oil <<3 that the service is being worked on
Oct 30 05:32:05 <dBsooner> egaudet:  yep
Oct 30 05:32:11 <dBsooner> and Im asleep now. :D
Oct 30 05:32:41 <rwhitby> dBsooner: the last email address you wrote does not exist ...
Oct 30 05:32:49 <dBsooner> sNF
Oct 30 05:32:50 <dBsooner> DANG
Oct 30 05:32:54 <dBsooner> I tried anyway. :D
Oct 30 05:34:38 <egaudet> how do you install palm novacom these days
Oct 30 05:36:29 <egaudet> Has Palm changed their novacom driver?
Oct 30 05:36:36 <zsoc> anyone know how the media framework functions? I need to figure out how the media server checks to see what pictures/audio/video is available and in the correct format to display in the music app / photo app / video player app
Oct 30 05:36:43 <egaudet> I installed both palm sdk and palm novacom on ubuntu
Oct 30 05:36:52 <egaudet> and I can't novaterm to my pre
Oct 30 05:36:55 <droO> if the wifi driver is gpl, does palm have to release source mods?
Oct 30 05:36:57 <zsoc> egaudet, why not?
Oct 30 05:37:07 <egaudet> failed to connect to server
Oct 30 05:37:08 <zsoc> egaudet, novacom -t open tty://
Oct 30 05:37:44 <egaudet> novacom service isn't running on my PC
Oct 30 05:37:53 <egaudet> how do I
Oct 30 05:37:53 <rwhitby> droO: any modifications to GPL code must be released on request to those whom the binary was distributed to
Oct 30 05:38:40 <droO> so i can request sd8xxx.ko source modifications?
Oct 30 05:38:41 <droO> ;o
Oct 30 05:38:47 <rwhitby> droO: so your best avenue (if you are a Pre owner) is to send an email to the opensource palm email address listed on opensource.palm.com and ask for it.  make sure you clarify what license anything they send you is.
Oct 30 05:38:56 <droO> when i do modinfo sd8xxx.ko it says gpl
Oct 30 05:39:02 <droO> er modinfo sd8xxx
Oct 30 05:39:18 <rwhitby> droO: real people read and respond to the palm opensource email address.
Oct 30 05:39:28 <zsoc> egaudet, what package is installed according to apt?
Oct 30 05:39:34 <droO> awesome :)
Oct 30 05:39:42 <egaudet> how do I list packages with apt
Oct 30 05:39:48 <droO> well i was originally told that the pre was using a closed source version of the marvell driver
Oct 30 05:39:50 <egaudet> I installed palm-sdk and palm-novacom
Oct 30 05:39:55 <droO> but when i did modinfo it says gpl so.. ;o
Oct 30 05:40:05 <rwhitby> droO: e.g. http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=libraries/luna-headers.git;a=blob;f=README
Oct 30 05:40:41 <droO> nice im going to email asap :) thanks
Oct 30 05:41:13 <zsoc> egaudet, what's the exact error?
Oct 30 05:41:24 <rwhitby> droO: and just like those - whatever source you get please let us know so we can host it
Oct 30 05:41:34 <egaudet> error for what?
Oct 30 05:41:45 <egaudet> novaterm just says failed to connect to sever
Oct 30 05:41:47 <egaudet> server*
Oct 30 05:41:54 <egaudet> and palm-emulator says novacom service isn't running
Oct 30 05:42:01 <zsoc> egaudet, wait, are you running windows?
Oct 30 05:42:04 <egaudet> no
Oct 30 05:42:07 <egaudet> ubuntu
Oct 30 05:42:08 <egaudet> karmic
Oct 30 05:42:16 <zsoc> hm.
Oct 30 05:42:26 <zsoc> egaudet, exact output of novacom -t open tty:// >
Oct 30 05:42:30 <zsoc> er, without the >
Oct 30 05:42:39 <egaudet> same thing
Oct 30 05:42:46 <zsoc> "failed to connect"?
Oct 30 05:42:50 <egaudet> I thought before I had to do initctl start novacomd or whatever
Oct 30 05:43:01 * zsoc ponders
Oct 30 05:43:04 <zsoc> no, shouldn't
Oct 30 05:43:12 <zsoc> you have a physical pre connected via usb?
Oct 30 05:43:12 <egaudet> the palm site now says to do "sudo stop palm-novacom" and start
Oct 30 05:43:17 <egaudet> but i get no such service
Oct 30 05:43:29 <zsoc> there is no such server, those docs must be old
Oct 30 05:43:32 <zsoc> *service
Oct 30 05:43:35 <egaudet> and when the palm-novacom package installed I looked at the output and it tried to stop/start that same thing but no such service
Oct 30 05:43:59 <zsoc> so are you trying to connect to an emulator or a pre?
Oct 30 05:44:04 <PuffTheMagic> hey guys
Oct 30 05:44:06 <PuffTheMagic> wanna see something
Oct 30 05:44:09 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic, no
Oct 30 05:44:24 <egaudet> those instructions can't be old
Oct 30 05:44:32 <egaudet> the newest palm-sdk package does NOT have the novaterm binary
Oct 30 05:44:40 <zsoc> egaudet, well i don't have that service either and my novacom works fine :P
Oct 30 05:44:49 <egaudet> zsoc, well don't ever remove it :P
Oct 30 05:44:57 <egaudet> because they messed something up, or Karmic did
Oct 30 05:45:02 <zsoc> egaudet, lol. double check devmode and all that stuff?
Oct 30 05:45:08 <egaudet> yea
Oct 30 05:45:11 <egaudet> I never take out of devmode
Oct 30 05:45:48 <egaudet> PuffTheMagic, I want to see
Oct 30 05:45:52 <zsoc> odd
Oct 30 05:47:14 <egaudet> aggrivating
Oct 30 05:48:48 <zsoc> hmph
Oct 30 05:49:24 * jauderho looks for a car charger that does not cost $$$
Oct 30 05:49:53 <jauderho> do not buy the one from monoprice. 1 failed for me and the 2nd started smoking....
Oct 30 05:50:00 <Rick_work> jauderho  monoprice.
Oct 30 05:50:16 <egaudet> jauderho, I bought mine from monoprice and it just flat out doesn't work anymore
Oct 30 05:50:16 <Rick_work> weird -- everything I've ever gotten from them worked great.
Oct 30 05:50:24 <egaudet> worked for like a week or 2 and that's it
Oct 30 05:50:33 <jauderho> trust me I WANTED the monoprice one to work but no dice
Oct 30 05:50:42 <jauderho> and they only carry one rated for 1A
Oct 30 05:51:12 <egaudet> how does the upstart work, how do I get an upstart script to go
Oct 30 05:51:12 <jauderho> the second one started smoking as soon as i plugged it in
Oct 30 05:51:19 <jauderho> made me sad.
Oct 30 05:51:21 <egaudet> initctl start?
Oct 30 05:51:41 <jauderho> maybe this? http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0018Q2WL0
Oct 30 05:51:46 <egaudet> we need 500ma right?
Oct 30 05:51:50 <jauderho> 1A
Oct 30 05:52:11 <jauderho> 1000mAh. 500 will charge but takes forever
Oct 30 05:56:49 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: can you whois wIRCd_user2
Oct 30 05:57:36 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic, thanks, i have your ip now ;)
Oct 30 05:57:46 <PuffTheMagic> ooooohhhh
Oct 30 05:58:53 <egaudet> no such nick
Oct 30 05:59:03 <egaudet> What's the deal with upstart scripts
Oct 30 05:59:23 <egaudet> am I suppose to be able to just initctl start <script> that's in /etc/event.d/
Oct 30 05:59:46 <PuffTheMagic> i just disconnected thats why
Oct 30 05:59:51 <PuffTheMagic> but zsoc must have saw it
Oct 30 06:00:08 <oil> hey, its connecting though
Oct 30 06:00:11 <oil> FTW
Oct 30 06:00:47 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic, looks good
Oct 30 06:02:57 <egaudet> grrrr
Oct 30 06:04:01 <PuffTheMagic> omg!!!!
Oct 30 06:04:09 <PuffTheMagic> how about them apples
Oct 30 06:04:27 <oil> oh shit
Oct 30 06:06:20 * rwhitby gets op and kicks this wIRCd_user69 user ...
Oct 30 06:06:26 <oil> noooo
Oct 30 06:06:27 <jauderho> lol
Oct 30 06:06:30 <oil> lol
Oct 30 06:06:49 <PuffTheMagic> rwhitby: hard coded join #webos-internals :D
Oct 30 06:06:57 <jauderho> lol
Oct 30 06:07:01 <jauderho> that would be funny.
Oct 30 06:07:12 <jauderho> here's an irc client. it ONLY talks to webos-internalz
Oct 30 06:07:20 <jauderho> take it or leave it.
Oct 30 06:08:13 <PuffTheMagic> oil: so as of right now... you just make 1 call
Oct 30 06:08:17 <PuffTheMagic> client_connect
Oct 30 06:08:31 <PuffTheMagic> and you give it at minimum server and nick
Oct 30 06:08:32 <egaudet> PuffTheMagic, can you tell me why this upstart script doesn't work?
Oct 30 06:09:08 <PuffTheMagic> oil: but it also takes port, realname, username (for server) password (for server)
Oct 30 06:09:19 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: im not really an upstart expert
Oct 30 06:09:24 <PuffTheMagic> but paste it
Oct 30 06:09:25 <PuffTheMagic> i can look
Oct 30 06:09:39 <egaudet> http://webos.pastebin.com/m61bd0fd0
Oct 30 06:09:52 <PuffTheMagic> and anyone confirm that the Pre and Sprint works with ipv6
Oct 30 06:10:11 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic, I can confirm that it doesn't not
Oct 30 06:10:26 <PuffTheMagic> doesn't not?
Oct 30 06:10:31 <PuffTheMagic> so it does?
Oct 30 06:10:41 <zsoc> Well, lets just say I can't confirm it doesn't.
Oct 30 06:10:47 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: is that a custom script for your box or something that runs on the pre?
Oct 30 06:11:38 <egaudet> palm's novacom script for my pc
Oct 30 06:11:53 <egaudet> but the stupid thing won't run
Oct 30 06:11:59 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: you "made" a event.d file for novacomd?
Oct 30 06:12:02 <egaudet> i can't initctl start palm-novacomd
Oct 30 06:12:05 <egaudet> that is the event.d file
Oct 30 06:12:11 <egaudet> its /etc/event.d/palm-novacomd
Oct 30 06:12:31 <egaudet> /opt/etc/event.d/palm-novacomd -> /opt/Palm/novacom/novacomd-upstart
Oct 30 06:12:41 <egaudet> /etc/event.d/palm-novacomd -> /opt/Palm/novacom/novacomd-upstart
Oct 30 06:13:10 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic, there's no /proc/net/if_inet6, which is a very bad sign
Oct 30 06:13:18 <PuffTheMagic> zsoc: not bad
Oct 30 06:13:27 <PuffTheMagic> zsoc: i dont need to add ipv6 support :D
Oct 30 06:13:35 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: are you on the pre?
Oct 30 06:13:37 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic, lol, then a very good sign :>
Oct 30 06:13:46 <egaudet> no I'm not on the pre
Oct 30 06:14:13 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: write your own then
Oct 30 06:14:17 <egaudet> I'm on my local ubuntu box, this is the upstart script that runs the novacom driver so I can use the emulator, novaterm etc..
Oct 30 06:14:24 <PuffTheMagic> or use init.d file instead
Oct 30 06:14:39 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: this is the one i made
Oct 30 06:14:41 <PuffTheMagic> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Novacomd_Init_Script
Oct 30 06:14:46 <PuffTheMagic> you can modify it
Oct 30 06:14:52 <PuffTheMagic> can call it with event.d files
Oct 30 06:15:48 <PuffTheMagic> look at /etc/event.d/networking
Oct 30 06:15:50 <PuffTheMagic> on the pre
Oct 30 06:16:01 <PuffTheMagic> for an example of how to call a init.d file
Oct 30 06:17:12 <PuffTheMagic> oil: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oct 30 06:18:01 <oil> ?
Oct 30 06:18:05 <PuffTheMagic> ** Message: Event "QUIT", origin: "Templarian!n=Templari@141.218.86.102", params: 1 [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
Oct 30 06:18:05 <PuffTheMagic> ** Message: Event "MODE", origin: "ChanServ!ChanServ@services.", params: 3 [#webos-internals|+v|egaudet]
Oct 30 06:18:06 <PuffTheMagic> :D
Oct 30 06:18:22 <PuffTheMagic> those are samples of the shit i get from the irc library
Oct 30 06:18:27 <PuffTheMagic> so i will jsonify it
Oct 30 06:18:31 <oil> ok
Oct 30 06:18:36 <PuffTheMagic> ** Message: Event "CONNECT", origin: "zelazny.freenode.net", params: 2 [wIRCd_user69|End of /MOTD command.]
Oct 30 06:18:44 <PuffTheMagic> oil: u get the message about how to connect
Oct 30 06:19:03 <PuffTheMagic> palm://us.ryanhope.wIRCd/client_connect {\"server\":\"irc.freenode.net\",\"nick\":\"wIRCd_user69\"}
Oct 30 06:19:16 <PuffTheMagic> its essentially a subscription
Oct 30 06:19:19 <zsoc> sounds sexy to me
Oct 30 06:19:21 <oil> server and nick
Oct 30 06:19:23 <oil> yeah
Oct 30 06:19:31 <PuffTheMagic> oil: server and nick are the minimum
Oct 30 06:19:36 <oil> ok
Oct 30 06:19:41 <PuffTheMagic> if u dont give it a port i assume 6667
Oct 30 06:19:46 <oil> ok
Oct 30 06:19:57 <PuffTheMagic> and libircclient uses nobody for your name if its not provided
Oct 30 06:20:11 <PuffTheMagic> and same with another value i cant remember
Oct 30 06:22:56 <PuffTheMagic> well guys... more wIRCd progress comming tomorrow
Oct 30 06:22:58 <PuffTheMagic> well...
Oct 30 06:23:01 <PuffTheMagic> in a few ours
Oct 30 06:23:03 <PuffTheMagic> hours
Oct 30 06:23:09 <PuffTheMagic> im getting some sleep
Oct 30 06:23:58 <lingfish> Chello.
Oct 30 06:28:48 <egaudet> I'm going to bed, this stupid novacom stuff just won't work right
Oct 30 06:30:26 <PuffTheMagic> lol
Oct 30 08:04:12 <bhuey> folks
Oct 30 08:04:32 <bhuey> I'm having some problems with the automated optware installation
Oct 30 08:05:00 <bhuey> This was rooted and optware was enabled in 1.1. I'm running 1.2.1 now
Oct 30 08:05:41 <bhuey> it complains that /dev/hdb1 doesn't exist
Oct 30 08:07:33 <bhuey> sorry, ignore me :)
Oct 30 08:07:45 <bhuey> I was running this on my OS X machine instead of the Pre
Oct 30 08:13:42 <rwhitby> freakout: thewhitetower has beaten you with a GSM Pre in .au
Oct 30 08:15:20 <oil> lol
Oct 30 08:15:59 <lingfish> ?
Oct 30 08:16:00 <lingfish> wtf?
Oct 30 08:16:05 <lingfish> Rod: do tell...
Oct 30 08:17:46 <freakout> I freaking knew it.
Oct 30 08:17:51 <freakout> But he ordered before I did.
Oct 30 08:17:55 <freakout> Off eBay, no less.
Oct 30 08:18:06 <freakout> Success, rwhitby?
Oct 30 08:18:10 <lingfish> Story?  Links?  tellllllllll me ?
Oct 30 08:18:12 <lingfish> :D
Oct 30 08:18:15 <freakout> precentral
Oct 30 08:18:18 <freakout> not sure of the thread
Oct 30 08:18:25 <freakout> i remember him saying he'd ordered it
Oct 30 08:18:52 <rwhitby> freakout: he was here earlier
Oct 30 08:18:53 <lingfish> sadface for teh_freak
Oct 30 08:19:32 <rwhitby> freakout: http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2006741#post2006680
Oct 30 08:19:33 <freakout> ah, I see
Oct 30 08:19:39 <freakout> So he activated A-OK? cool
Oct 30 08:19:50 <rwhitby> no 3G though on Telstra
Oct 30 08:19:56 <freakout> Nope
Oct 30 08:20:03 <freakout> but the NextG network operates on different bands
Oct 30 08:20:08 <lingfish> 15:09 < thewhitetower> Hi mate - managed to get myself through the activation in German and through the various set-up screens and have man change the language to english
Oct 30 08:20:15 <freakout> Optus and Voda are the higher frequencies though
Oct 30 08:20:23 <freakout> Telstra use the 850 band IIRC
Oct 30 08:20:34 <lingfish> freakout: so on voda it will 3Gerise?
Oct 30 08:20:35 <rwhitby> oh, telstra only uses Next-G now?
Oct 30 08:20:40 <freakout> yup
Oct 30 08:20:47 <bhuey> ok, i have another question
Oct 30 08:20:50 <lingfish> sweeeeeeeeeeet.
Oct 30 08:21:04 <bhuey> Can I install a homebrew app from the command line ?
Oct 30 08:21:07 <bhuey> of the Pre ?
Oct 30 08:21:12 <bhuey> URL for this ?
Oct 30 08:21:29 <rwhitby> bhuey: why not just use Preware?
Oct 30 08:21:38 <freakout> bbl, dinner and getting ready for part-ay tonight
Oct 30 08:21:47 <bhuey> http://www.precentral.net/how-to-install-homebrew-apps
Oct 30 08:21:48 <freakout> lingfish: should do
Oct 30 08:21:53 <bhuey> I'm following this link
Oct 30 08:21:56 <oil> and by partay he means sto
Oct 30 08:21:57 <bhuey> rwhitby: is that what you mean ?
Oct 30 08:22:14 <lingfish> So it activated without any hacks needed....
Oct 30 08:22:15 <oil> bhuey that is super old
Oct 30 08:22:16 <oil> lol
Oct 30 08:22:20 <freakout> yeah, lingfish, everyone but Telstra in Oz uses 2100mhz
Oct 30 08:22:21 <rwhitby> bhuey: ignore all articles about installing homebrew and use http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware instead
Oct 30 08:22:23 <bhuey> oh ok
Oct 30 08:22:24 <freakout> which is supported
Oct 30 08:22:46 <oil> i see sirwill added some pics
Oct 30 08:22:52 <rwhitby> yep
Oct 30 08:23:35 <rwhitby> PuffTheMagic: my MACHINE=palmpre, DISTRO=minimal, bitbake minimal-image finished
Oct 30 08:24:15 <bhuey> rwhitby: is reinstalling optware going to recompute my ssh hashes ?
Oct 30 08:24:30 <rwhitby> bhuey: probably not
Oct 30 08:24:43 <rwhitby> since that would annoy me during testing ;-)
Oct 30 08:24:59 <lingfish> Man, that's awesome news.  It could be time to order!
Oct 30 08:25:21 <bhuey> rwhitby: good, you wrote this ? thanks man
Oct 30 08:25:49 <bhuey> do folks fear android 2.0 here ?
Oct 30 08:26:01 <rwhitby> lingfish: I'd wait for freakout or I to get it working on voda in real life first
Oct 30 08:26:03 <oil> why would we?
Oct 30 08:26:13 <rwhitby> bhuey: I far no OS - they are all just tools to get a job done.
Oct 30 08:26:18 <rwhitby> s/far/fear/
Oct 30 08:26:19 <infobot> rwhitby meant: bhuey: I fear no OS - they are all just tools to get a job done.
Oct 30 08:26:22 * rwhitby bbl
Oct 30 08:26:49 <lingfish> rwhitby: yeah, wasn't  going to order at this second... I still need to confirm warranty return, and want to find out where on ebay he bought it
Oct 30 08:27:01 <lingfish> As I'm almost certainly going to order direct from O
Oct 30 08:27:02 <lingfish> O2
Oct 30 08:27:21 <droO> hmm, anyone know why palms rss reader opens a blank card & then a second card for feedlist?
Oct 30 08:27:35 <droO> on 1.2.1...
Oct 30 08:31:25 <lingfish> Tim: man you must be extra-pissed now
Oct 30 08:34:26 <freakout> nah, not really. I'm stoked that at least one network is confirmed working, even if it is just 2G
Oct 30 08:34:39 <freakout> Means that if I have trouble activating I can at least just pop in a Telstra SIM
Oct 30 08:34:52 <oc80z> whats good
Oct 30 08:34:58 <lingfish> You're a good man.. I'd be way pissed with customs.
Oct 30 08:35:03 <freakout> heh
Oct 30 08:35:12 <freakout> I don't even now if it's with them, I'm just assuming it must be
Oct 30 08:35:24 <lingfish> Nah I can almost guarantee it is.
Oct 30 08:35:31 <lingfish> I'd put money on it.
Oct 30 08:35:43 <freakout> But with Christmas coming up deliveries are probably goin' crazy everywhere right now
Oct 30 08:35:56 <freakout> I work for Star Track Express and we're getting freaking hammered lately
Oct 30 08:36:01 <freakout> and it's not even December yet
Oct 30 08:36:03 <lingfish> I've found time of year doesn't matter.  The pricks just take their time
Oct 30 08:36:19 <freakout> yep. just gotta roll with the punches I guess, it'll be here soon. Has to be
Oct 30 08:36:29 <lingfish> heh, should have arranged it with ST then!
Oct 30 08:36:54 <freakout> lol. Yep. next time ill remember to pre-advise i want a priority courier, not airmail
Oct 30 08:36:55 <freakout> bbl
Oct 30 08:37:02 <lingfish> k
Oct 30 08:37:33 <rwhitby> freakout: I expect mine will arrive before stefan can find out what's going on with the tracking
Oct 30 08:38:17 <oc80z> why aint quick event in the ah... pamware
Oct 30 08:39:21 <lingfish> I'm dying here... I'm having to type HTML <pre> tags and crying
Oct 30 08:40:04 <oc80z> <pre> is good for ascii art
Oct 30 08:40:29 <lingfish> <pre> is also good for my mobile phone wishes!
Oct 30 08:43:23 <oc80z> see the new android comersh?
Oct 30 08:43:36 <bhuey> rwhitby: I just install the preware stuff
Oct 30 08:44:23 <lingfish> oc80z: nup
Oct 30 08:46:02 <rwhitby> bhuey: yep, then you have access to all homebrew on the planet
Oct 30 08:46:31 <oc80z> hello ling ling
Oct 30 08:46:35 <oc80z> rw re
Oct 30 08:47:44 <lingfish> ?
Oct 30 08:47:59 <oc80z> i wish.
Oct 30 08:48:10 <oc80z> sup w/ droids "10,000" apps
Oct 30 08:48:14 <oc80z> and "can run 6 at a time"
Oct 30 08:48:16 <oc80z> heh.
Oct 30 08:49:49 <oc80z> and bigger than a sidekick 1
Oct 30 08:49:49 <oc80z> haha
Oct 30 08:50:57 <bhuey> rwhitby: I just want to install the premix stuff
Oct 30 08:50:59 <bhuey> looking
Oct 30 08:51:00 <bhuey> ...
Oct 30 08:53:56 <hmagoo> <- usian ;)
Oct 30 08:54:33 <oc80z> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CCFdMxdsaA
Oct 30 08:55:42 <oc80z> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUAc8E9sFhk
Oct 30 08:56:53 <lingfish> oc80z: are they the ads?
Oct 30 08:59:04 <oc80z> mmyah
Oct 30 08:59:53 <oc80z> noo'
Oct 30 08:59:56 <oc80z> no its not.
Oct 30 09:00:02 <oc80z> tahts webos vids.
Oct 30 09:03:38 <bhuey> rwhitby: god damn this app is slick
Oct 30 09:04:29 <freakout> rwhitby: I think something screwy is going on with DHL's tracking.  The website was down totally on Wed night, then replaced by a new system which didn't work, then it was down again and now the old system is back up.
Oct 30 09:04:36 * freakout shrugs
Oct 30 09:10:46 <lingfish> freakout: heh, sounds quality
Oct 30 09:15:58 <droO> does anyone have experience with the palm news sample app from sdk?
Oct 30 09:22:09 * bhuey is impressed with the homebrew apps out there
Oct 30 09:25:38 <bhuey> are there dialer app mods yet ?
Oct 30 10:00:43 <oc80z> wot
Oct 30 10:04:58 <oc80z> tf
Oct 30 10:05:01 <oc80z> is wrong with pakistan
Oct 30 10:49:56 <jettero> could you be more specific?
Oct 30 11:49:32 * nt4cats yawns
Oct 30 14:31:13 <egaudet_work> morning
Oct 30 14:32:52 <nt4cats> mornin
Oct 30 14:37:25 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet_work: morning!
Oct 30 14:38:59 <PuffTheMagic> i just figured out a way to abuse a libircclient function so that I dont need to use hash table
Oct 30 14:39:31 <PuffTheMagic> but no im not keeping track of shit that I should eventually free
Oct 30 14:41:49 <PuffTheMagic> :/
Oct 30 14:41:55 <PuffTheMagic> probably still shoudl use the hashmap
Oct 30 14:46:41 <egaudet_work> what were you using the hash table for
Oct 30 14:46:57 <egaudet_work> and how are you abusing this function
Oct 30 14:47:28 <PuffTheMagic> there is this function
Oct 30 14:47:42 <PuffTheMagic> that sorta lets you pass user data into the callbacks
Oct 30 14:47:54 <PuffTheMagic> so that you could... for example...
Oct 30 14:48:05 <PuffTheMagic> autojoin a bunch a channels or something
Oct 30 14:48:14 <PuffTheMagic> so instead of using it for that
Oct 30 14:48:27 <PuffTheMagic> im passing it the lunamessage object
Oct 30 14:48:38 <PuffTheMagic> so that i can send the output to the right gui/client
Oct 30 14:49:02 <PuffTheMagic> i need to hashmap or some collection to store all the sessions
Oct 30 14:49:26 <PuffTheMagic> so that when a session disconnects i can destroy it properly
Oct 30 14:49:35 <PuffTheMagic> or so that when a client sends a command like join
Oct 30 14:49:44 <PuffTheMagic> the right session gets the join
Oct 30 14:50:30 <PuffTheMagic> and i should keep track of all the threads
Oct 30 14:50:38 <PuffTheMagic> cause eash session needs its own thread
Oct 30 14:50:56 <PuffTheMagic> so i think im gonna make the pointer to the session the key in the map
Oct 30 14:51:08 <PuffTheMagic> and the value is gonna be the pthread_t
Oct 30 14:53:30 <egaudet_work> that sounds good
Oct 30 14:54:23 <egaudet_work> I'll be able to start looking through it and helping either this afternoon or after work
Oct 30 14:55:35 <oil> win!
Oct 30 14:56:55 <egaudet_work> so it's gonna be one thread per channel basically
Oct 30 14:57:15 <egaudet_work> any mockups for the gui oil?
Oct 30 14:57:55 <oil> http://git.preyourmind.org/?p=application/wIRC.git;a=summary
Oct 30 14:59:43 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet_work: no 1 thread per session
Oct 30 15:00:01 <egaudet_work> PuffTheMagic, and it's one session per connection/channel right?
Oct 30 15:00:01 <PuffTheMagic> a session = a server connection essentially
Oct 30 15:00:15 <PuffTheMagic> no you can join multiple channels per session
Oct 30 15:00:20 <egaudet_work> ok
Oct 30 15:00:22 <PuffTheMagic> and gui's can create multiple sessions
Oct 30 15:00:31 <PuffTheMagic> like if they want to connect to multiple servers
Oct 30 15:00:44 <PuffTheMagic> but i cant get the session to start when i spawn it from a pthread
Oct 30 15:00:56 <PuffTheMagic> not sure why
Oct 30 15:01:07 <egaudet_work> oil I was unable to clone that yesterday
Oct 30 15:02:35 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet_work: what error did you get?
Oct 30 15:02:50 <egaudet_work> Any idea on how much battery this stuff will drain in the background while sessions are connected?
Oct 30 15:02:54 <egaudet_work> PuffTheMagic, I got some permission error
Oct 30 15:03:01 <PuffTheMagic> ohhh
Oct 30 15:03:11 <PuffTheMagic> did you clone it with ssh:// or git://
Oct 30 15:03:25 <PuffTheMagic> cause only me and oil have ssh perms on that
Oct 30 15:03:28 <PuffTheMagic> but i can add you
Oct 30 15:03:30 <PuffTheMagic> if you want to help on it
Oct 30 15:04:39 <egaudet_work> I tried both
Oct 30 15:05:15 <egaudet_work> but why wouldn't I have pull permissions
Oct 30 15:05:23 <egaudet_work> err clone
Oct 30 15:05:37 <PuffTheMagic> oil: why are you up
Oct 30 15:05:39 <PuffTheMagic> but any way
Oct 30 15:05:51 <PuffTheMagic> oil: do you have the latest version checked out of wIRC
Oct 30 15:10:27 <egaudet_work> fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly
Oct 30 15:13:58 <dBsooner-work> egaudet_work: you built a package with the new postinst/prerm yet?
Oct 30 15:14:03 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet_work: you should be able to use the ssh url now
Oct 30 15:14:07 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet_work: i have to fix the git one
Oct 30 15:14:21 <PuffTheMagic> shit got moved around last week and something broke
Oct 30 15:16:27 <egaudet_work> dBsooner-work, no you
Oct 30 15:19:17 <dBsooner-work> egaudet_work: nope.. went to bed after I got the email.
Oct 30 15:19:20 <dBsooner-work> I was tirrred.
Oct 30 15:19:29 <dBsooner-work> I MIGHT build one during lunch
Oct 30 15:19:39 <dBsooner-work> In fact I probably will.
Oct 30 15:19:56 <PuffTheMagic> dBsooner-work: there is no disturbing egaudet_work with non C shit for the next 48 hours :D
Oct 30 15:20:11 <dBsooner-work> PuffTheMagic: yes there is.
Oct 30 15:20:23 <dBsooner-work> dBsooner-work: he had a prior commitment to get image replacement out by tonight
Oct 30 15:20:24 <PuffTheMagic> no IRC for u then ;)
Oct 30 15:20:30 <PuffTheMagic> hardcode dBsooner block
Oct 30 15:20:31 <PuffTheMagic> :D
Oct 30 15:20:35 <dBsooner-work> PuffTheMagic: that's fine as long as image replacement gets out first.
Oct 30 15:20:59 <egaudet_work> ssh clone success
Oct 30 15:21:10 <dBsooner-work> egaudet_work: !!
Oct 30 15:21:16 <PuffTheMagic> dBsooner-work: shhhhhh!
Oct 30 15:21:42 <egaudet_work> I can only TALK for the next 5-6 hours
Oct 30 15:21:45 <dBsooner-work> egaudet_work: We need to add if [ ${EXTRA_FILES != "" ] then sed replace shit fi
Oct 30 15:21:52 <egaudet_work> I can't really do any work one way or the other so
Oct 30 15:21:57 <dBsooner-work> to the common.mk
Oct 30 15:22:03 <egaudet_work> dBsooner-work, what?
Oct 30 15:22:17 <dBsooner-work> the main makefile can't sed replace shit
Oct 30 15:22:18 <egaudet_work> and I can multitask :P  but yea I'm in hardcore C mode this weekend
Oct 30 15:22:24 <egaudet_work> dBsooner-work, why?
Oct 30 15:22:38 <fredl> LaF0rge are you around?
Oct 30 15:22:43 <egaudet_work> it's the same as sed replacing the APP_DIR and PATCH_NAME
Oct 30 15:22:45 <egaudet_work> which is already done
Oct 30 15:22:46 <dBsooner-work> because don't the sed replaces have to be in the build/CONTROL/prerm?
Oct 30 15:22:52 <egaudet_work> not prerm
Oct 30 15:22:57 <egaudet_work> prerm doesn't need EXTRA_FILES
Oct 30 15:23:02 <dBsooner-work> ok
Oct 30 15:23:19 <dBsooner-work> doesn't sed replace have to be in build/CONTROL/postinst?
Oct 30 15:23:21 <egaudet_work> but yea the sed's can be done in the makefile same place the other seds are
Oct 30 15:23:31 <dBsooner-work> the other seds are in common.mk
Oct 30 15:23:37 <egaudet_work> yea ok
Oct 30 15:23:41 <egaudet_work> so that's where it goes...?
Oct 30 15:23:51 <dBsooner-work> sigh
Oct 30 15:23:54 <dBsooner-work> you don't get it
Oct 30 15:24:06 <egaudet_work> clearly...
Oct 30 15:24:34 <egaudet_work> the Makefile for each patch will contain an extra files variable
Oct 30 15:24:35 <dBsooner-work> you can't put a specific sed replace for a patch in common.mk
Oct 30 15:24:39 <egaudet_work> and then the sed happens in common.mk
Oct 30 15:24:46 <dBsooner-work> egaudet_work: I JUST SAID THAT
Oct 30 15:24:52 <egaudet_work> and most patches will have no extra files variable so EXTRA_FILES will get sed'd to EXTRA_FILES=
Oct 30 15:24:53 <egaudet_work> blank
Oct 30 15:24:56 <egaudet_work> so everything works
Oct 30 15:24:56 <egaudet_work> fine
Oct 30 15:25:04 <dBsooner-work> I JUST SAID THAT
Oct 30 15:25:09 <egaudet_work> so what is the problem?
Oct 30 15:25:12 <dBsooner-work> nothing
Oct 30 15:25:26 <freakout> dBsooner-work: but you didn't call "jinx" :p
Oct 30 15:25:27 <egaudet_work> we don't need an if
Oct 30 15:25:28 <dBsooner-work> you need to write the sed replacement for common.mk
Oct 30 15:25:34 <egaudet_work> I will
Oct 30 15:25:41 <dBsooner-work> in the next 2 hours
Oct 30 15:25:41 <dBsooner-work> ;)
Oct 30 15:25:45 <egaudet_work> k
Oct 30 15:25:45 <dBsooner-work> so I can use it during lunch
Oct 30 15:26:25 <egaudet_work> done
Oct 30 15:26:26 <dBsooner-work> freakout: DHL doesn't deliver at 2am
Oct 30 15:26:29 <PuffTheMagic> oil: you up, or going to bed
Oct 30 15:26:41 <egaudet_work> oil going to bed?  Where do you live oil
Oct 30 15:26:49 <dBsooner-work> freakout: Which means you can safely go to bed.
Oct 30 15:27:00 <freakout> dBsooner-work: just got back from a halloween party
Oct 30 15:27:06 <freakout> my outfit was the hit of the evening.
Oct 30 15:27:09 <freakout> well, close.
Oct 30 15:27:19 <dBsooner-work> what was it?
Oct 30 15:27:21 <dBsooner-work> a Pre?
Oct 30 15:27:23 <freakout> lol
Oct 30 15:27:24 <egaudet_work> dBsooner-work, wow
Oct 30 15:27:28 <egaudet_work> exactly what I was about to say
Oct 30 15:27:30 <egaudet_work> word for word
Oct 30 15:27:38 <dBsooner-work> jinx!
Oct 30 15:27:44 <freakout> lol
Oct 30 15:27:48 <freakout> now you're gettin it
Oct 30 15:27:49 <egaudet_work> anyway the common.mk is done
Oct 30 15:27:57 <dBsooner-work> so umm. email it to me
Oct 30 15:27:59 * nt4cats is dressing up as a cascading style sheet tomorrow ...
Oct 30 15:28:13 <dBsooner-work> nt4cats: or today if your in Aussie land
Oct 30 15:28:37 <egaudet_work> dBsooner-work, it's one line add
Oct 30 15:28:37 <dBsooner-work> freakout: Do you all ever get a "White Christmas"?
Oct 30 15:28:56 <dBsooner-work> What's it like seeing all the Christmas movies where there is snow everywhere, yet its in the 90's outside?
Oct 30 15:28:57 <egaudet_work> sed -i -e 's|EXTRA_FILES=|EXTRA_FILES=${EXTRA_FILES}|' build/all/CONTROL/postinst
Oct 30 15:28:58 <freakout> ha!
Oct 30 15:29:10 <freakout> dBsooner-work: no. 'tis summer in Christmas here man
Oct 30 15:29:16 <egaudet_work> after the other 2 sed's in build/all/CONTROL/postinst target in common.mk
Oct 30 15:29:22 <dBsooner-work> i know
Oct 30 15:29:30 <dBsooner-work> egaudet_work: But I am at work
Oct 30 15:29:38 <dBsooner-work> egaudet_work: and I won't remember that line
Oct 30 15:30:23 <dBsooner-work> JayCanuck: AutoPatch is going to be ready for image replacement by tonight
Oct 30 15:30:29 <dBsooner-work> JayCanuck: so themes can use it.
Oct 30 15:30:30 <JayCanuck> nice
Oct 30 15:30:38 <egaudet_work> HOPEFULLY by tonight
Oct 30 15:30:40 <egaudet_work> not necessarily
Oct 30 15:30:46 <dBsooner-work> SHOULD be
Oct 30 15:30:50 <egaudet_work> not going to rush this
Oct 30 15:30:50 <freakout> dBsooner-work: the "90's"? move to the damn Celsius scale already, you caveman :p
Oct 30 15:31:03 <dBsooner-work> freakout: "30's"
Oct 30 15:31:55 <dBsooner-work> let me interpret egaudet_work's statement: "I am going to be devoted to C all weekend, so i doubt I will make room for image replacement testing."
Oct 30 15:32:14 <egaudet_work> :p
Oct 30 15:32:18 <egaudet_work> but no
Oct 30 15:32:41 <dBsooner-work> In theory, what we have should work.
Oct 30 15:32:41 <egaudet_work> remember you were ready to release yesterday, and then we figured out we had to really re-design it all
Oct 30 15:32:56 <PuffTheMagic> ummm shit
Oct 30 15:32:57 <egaudet_work> so it's not about just working, it's about forward compatiblity as well
Oct 30 15:33:08 <egaudet_work> and dBsooner-work, what's that email again :P
Oct 30 15:33:18 <dBsooner-work> dBsooner@dbtrunk.com
Oct 30 15:33:22 <dBsooner-work> hint: SAVE IT
Oct 30 15:33:41 <egaudet_work> after the 3rd usage
Oct 30 15:34:34 <freakout> dBsooner-work: that's more like it. And it's awesome. who wants to be cooped up inside on Christmas Day anyway, when there's beaches to visit and bbq's to be had? :)
Oct 30 15:34:37 <freakout> and with that....
Oct 30 15:34:39 * freakout goes to bed
Oct 30 15:34:45 <dBsooner-work> JayCanuck: got any more patches that rely on image replacement?
Oct 30 15:34:57 <JayCanuck> I have only 1
Oct 30 15:35:03 <JayCanuck> the squarify screen
Oct 30 15:35:05 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet_work: something isnt working the way it "think" it should
Oct 30 15:35:08 <dBsooner-work> can you mail it to me?
Oct 30 15:35:10 <dBsooner-work> if you don't mind..
Oct 30 15:35:18 <dBsooner-work> I need more than 1 to test.
Oct 30 15:35:42 <dBsooner-work> I have the "No Quick Launcher"
Oct 30 15:35:58 <JayCanuck> that's not in wosqi
Oct 30 15:36:05 <dBsooner-work> i know
Oct 30 15:36:07 <JayCanuck> and conflicts with themes in many cases
Oct 30 15:36:11 <dBsooner-work> Does it?
Oct 30 15:36:21 <JayCanuck> well, it depends on the backup method
Oct 30 15:36:53 <dBsooner-work> the no quick launcher guy submitted it via our form
Oct 30 15:37:08 <dBsooner-work> and which backup method? the one we are going to use to make it EPR compliant?
Oct 30 15:37:22 <JayCanuck> yea, it has image replacement and patch component
Oct 30 15:37:35 <JayCanuck> about the only one I know of that does both
Oct 30 15:37:40 <JayCanuck> wosqi/the webos-internals theme ipk generator uses .backup extension, prethemer uses .bak
Oct 30 15:38:04 <dBsooner-work> and we use .webosinternals.orig
Oct 30 15:38:32 <egaudet_work> this is why it's not getting rushed out
Oct 30 15:38:34 <dBsooner-work> Would you mind sending me the squarify so I can build an IPK to test?
Oct 30 15:38:41 <egaudet_work> it's not backward compatible with the current theme uninstall methods
Oct 30 15:38:51 <egaudet_work> theme uninstalls I think blindly overwrite backup file
Oct 30 15:39:07 <dBsooner-work> egaudet_work: what?
Oct 30 15:39:11 <JayCanuck> squarity is a simple image replacer
Oct 30 15:39:22 <egaudet_work> when you uninstall a theme, it copies the backup file back to original no ifs ands or buts
Oct 30 15:39:23 <freakout> Okay, I lied. I'm not in bed yet
Oct 30 15:39:33 <egaudet_work> PuffTheMagic, what isn't working as it should?
Oct 30 15:39:34 <dBsooner-work> egaudet_work: we talked about that last night. There is really no way to stay backwards compatible with all theme methods.. Ebcause of the way there are so many.
Oct 30 15:39:36 <freakout> JayCanuck, did you start on MetaDoctorX yet? ;)
Oct 30 15:39:47 <JayCanuck> not yet, busy weekend
Oct 30 15:39:50 <JayCanuck> there's 2
Oct 30 15:39:55 <JayCanuck> lol
Oct 30 15:39:56 <PuffTheMagic> nm maybe its working right but just not what i expected
Oct 30 15:40:05 <egaudet_work> dBsooner-work, right which makes me want to spend more time on it
Oct 30 15:40:23 <egaudet_work> Unless you are going to support all the cases in which EPR recovers a themed image
Oct 30 15:40:26 <PuffTheMagic> i sorta though that each time the service ran a different pointer would be used for the first session
Oct 30 15:40:31 <egaudet_work> nm
Oct 30 15:40:34 <egaudet_work> I always forget convos lol
Oct 30 15:40:39 <egaudet_work> EPR specifically state remove theme first
Oct 30 15:40:40 <PuffTheMagic> but the same one is always used
Oct 30 15:40:56 <dBsooner-work> egaudet_work: We can't change the way current themes uninstall.. so we say REMOVE THEMES FIRST
Oct 30 15:41:02 <dBsooner-work> and EPR will recover the goods
Oct 30 15:41:08 <freakout> JayCanuck: WHAT?! I'm paying you good nothing for that!
Oct 30 15:41:16 <egaudet_work> PuffTheMagic, yea that's likely I guess
Oct 30 15:41:25 <egaudet_work> since it's virtual address
Oct 30 15:41:28 <JayCanuck> lol, you start paying and I'll start working on a quicker schedule :p
Oct 30 15:41:48 <freakout> JayCanuck: donation whore :p
Oct 30 15:41:48 <egaudet_work> what is metaDoctorX?
Oct 30 15:42:09 <JayCanuck> cross platform java port of meta-doctor
Oct 30 15:42:32 <JayCanuck> added option to pre-apply other .patches as well
Oct 30 15:42:53 <egaudet_work> cool
Oct 30 15:44:25 <egaudet_work> wait dBsooner-work, no that's not what I was talking about
Oct 30 15:44:35 <egaudet_work> I once again dont like this
Oct 30 15:45:14 <preston> anyone from webos-internals who's working on this, how's the progress on my no quick launch patch?
Oct 30 15:45:26 <egaudet_work> preston, sent you a pm on precentral.net
Oct 30 15:46:14 <egaudet_work> since your patch requires image replacement, that is being designed into autopatch technology.  But we have to design it carefully so that it is robust in the general scheme of things for the end-user
Oct 30 15:46:34 <preston> i hadn't read that pm yet. thanks.
Oct 30 15:47:19 <egaudet_work> dBsooner-work, I think we need to skip image replacement if current image isn't md5sum ok
Oct 30 15:47:34 <egaudet_work> backing up a themed image is not the right approach IMO
Oct 30 15:47:56 <egaudet_work> it creates bad situations and EPR (even after theme removal) can recover a themed image, and cause weird issues for users
Oct 30 15:48:18 <JayCanuck> egaudet, I like your md5sum idea, practical approach
Oct 30 15:49:26 <egaudet_work> so here's what I'm thinking. For patch+image replacement, md5sum the images, skip replacing the image when md5sum of original doesn't match, but continue on (i.e. not an error)
Oct 30 15:50:09 <egaudet_work> and then any image that was replaced will use autopatch technology backup for EPR compatibility.  Removing the patch+image package will verify the existing image is the expected patched md5sum
Oct 30 15:50:35 <egaudet_work> if the existing image is not the same as the md5sum calculated after replacement, then the backup will not be restored (yet it will remain for EPR recovery)
Oct 30 15:51:09 <egaudet_work> PuffTheMagic, nice
Oct 30 15:51:15 <PuffTheMagic> i didnt do anything
Oct 30 15:51:26 <egaudet_work> you weren't just testing?
Oct 30 15:51:31 <PuffTheMagic> well yeah
Oct 30 15:51:35 <PuffTheMagic> but i;ve made no progress
Oct 30 15:51:39 <PuffTheMagic> still trying to figure out how to get this shit working in threads
Oct 30 15:51:47 <PuffTheMagic> and how to store multiple session infos
Oct 30 15:52:17 <egaudet_work> array or linked list of structures?
Oct 30 15:52:28 <egaudet_work> with session id, thread id, any other important info
Oct 30 15:57:52 <PuffTheMagic> hmm i think i should start a new thread immediately
Oct 30 15:58:58 <PuffTheMagic> ehh
Oct 30 15:58:59 <PuffTheMagic> idk
Oct 30 15:59:18 <egaudet_work> when are you starting a new thread
Oct 30 15:59:30 <egaudet_work> start the new thread, and then do all the session creation and connection
Oct 30 16:02:40 <PuffTheMagic> FUCK!
Oct 30 16:03:31 <cba123> I followed this http://tinyurl.com/yjnty5m to get amarok 1.4 to wirelessly sync to my pre, however I recently went from Kubuntu Jaunty to Kubuntu Karmic, and I got Amarok 1.4 installed, but I can't get Amarok to mount my pre, with the same settings, any ideas?
Oct 30 16:18:26 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet_work: ping
Oct 30 16:20:51 <egaudet_work> PuffTheMagic pong
Oct 30 16:21:09 <PuffTheMagic> i've encountered my "typical" struct in struct issue
Oct 30 16:21:27 <PuffTheMagic> pthread_t thread; pthread_create(&thread.......
Oct 30 16:21:33 <PuffTheMagic> thats how i normally create a thread
Oct 30 16:21:35 <PuffTheMagic> and that works
Oct 30 16:21:41 <PuffTheMagic> but no i have pthread_t thread
Oct 30 16:21:45 <PuffTheMagic> inside of another struct
Oct 30 16:21:53 <PuffTheMagic> so how do i referr to it
Oct 30 16:21:59 <PuffTheMagic> client->thread is not working
Oct 30 16:22:06 <PuffTheMagic> and i cant do client->&thread
Oct 30 16:22:38 <PuffTheMagic> or is this a me failing to malloc thread first issue
Oct 30 16:22:39 <egaudet_work> client.thread
Oct 30 16:23:05 <PuffTheMagic> that dont work either
Oct 30 16:23:07 <egaudet_work> if client is a pointer then client->thread, if client is struct then client.thread
Oct 30 16:23:20 <egaudet_work> by don't work what do you mean?
Oct 30 16:23:22 <PuffTheMagic> client.c:135: error: request for member ‘thread’ in something not a structure or union
Oct 30 16:23:31 <egaudet_work> pastebin me the struct code
Oct 30 16:24:08 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet_work: i just pushed it to repo
Oct 30 16:24:16 <PuffTheMagic> errr
Oct 30 16:24:18 <PuffTheMagic> tried to
Oct 30 16:24:30 <PuffTheMagic> now im getting read access error wtf
Oct 30 16:24:41 <dBsooner-work> egaudet_work: didn't we already decide that was the way to do it?
Oct 30 16:25:06 <dBsooner-work> egaudet_work: whic is why you md5sum the original file before backing it up..
Oct 30 16:25:28 <dBsooner-work> if the backed up md5sum doesn't match the md5sum of what is about to be overwritten, it skips it
Oct 30 16:26:09 <egaudet_work> dBsooner-work, we didn't decide to not backup when md5sum isn't original on install (postinst)
Oct 30 16:26:29 <dBsooner-work> Didn't I mention that last night?
Oct 30 16:26:36 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet_work: http://dpaste.com/114264/
Oct 30 16:26:37 <egaudet_work> I think so
Oct 30 16:26:39 <dBsooner-work> I said, only backup md5sum'd webOS original
Oct 30 16:26:47 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet_work: http://dpaste.com/114265/
Oct 30 16:27:15 <egaudet_work> we came to the conclusion that we can just backup any file, but in hindsight the only backing up original webos files is the right way
Oct 30 16:27:30 <dBsooner-work> right,
Oct 30 16:27:34 <dBsooner-work> but let it install anyway?
Oct 30 16:27:36 <egaudet_work> or maybe I came to the conclusion and you didn't argue your point hard enough
Oct 30 16:27:44 <egaudet_work> yea let it install, just not with the image change
Oct 30 16:27:55 <dBsooner-work> so what will it do during remove?
Oct 30 16:28:02 <dBsooner-work> it won't have an image to rpelace
Oct 30 16:28:04 <egaudet_work> same thing it currently does
Oct 30 16:28:15 <dBsooner-work> not replace it?
Oct 30 16:28:24 <egaudet_work> if it wasn't backed up, it's not in EPR nor md5sums.patched so there is no concept of recovering it
Oct 30 16:28:36 <dBsooner-work> which is good?
Oct 30 16:28:46 <egaudet_work> it wasn't touched and it wasn't recorded as touched, so there is  nothing to do for it.  It no longer exists in the scope of the package
Oct 30 16:28:54 <dBsooner-work> ok..
Oct 30 16:28:55 <egaudet_work> I wouldn't say "good", but best
Oct 30 16:29:08 <dBsooner-work> user installs theme.. it replaces this.png
Oct 30 16:29:25 <dBsooner-work> then user installs patch which also replaced this.png, but this.png wasn't backed up because md5sum wasn't orgiinal
Oct 30 16:29:35 <egaudet_work> no
Oct 30 16:29:37 <dBsooner-work> user then wants to remove the PATCH
Oct 30 16:29:52 <egaudet_work> user installs patch which WANTED to replace it, but doesn't because it's already changed
Oct 30 16:30:17 <egaudet_work> so this.png basically becomes erased from the package's memory, as if it were never included
Oct 30 16:30:20 <dBsooner-work> so if a png is already modified by another theme/patch, that patch that they are trying to install will fail..
Oct 30 16:30:24 <egaudet_work> no
Oct 30 16:30:32 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet_work: i figured it out
Oct 30 16:30:35 <PuffTheMagic> &client->thread
Oct 30 16:30:36 <PuffTheMagic> :D
Oct 30 16:30:56 <egaudet_work> PuffTheMagic, where is client?
Oct 30 16:31:06 <PuffTheMagic> ?
Oct 30 16:31:10 <PuffTheMagic> i sent you 2 pastes
Oct 30 16:31:20 <dBsooner-work> so if a png is already modified by aanother theme/patch, that patch that they are trying to install will go ahead and install, but NOT replace the png?
Oct 30 16:31:30 <egaudet_work> PuffTheMagic, from &client->thread to client->thread will not cause the warning/error you posted above
Oct 30 16:31:52 <PuffTheMagic> no no
Oct 30 16:31:52 <egaudet_work> but since pthread_ functions take thread_t *, you need that & like that yea
Oct 30 16:31:56 <PuffTheMagic> u said
Oct 30 16:32:00 <PuffTheMagic> client.thread
Oct 30 16:32:08 <PuffTheMagic> that caused the warning i posted
Oct 30 16:32:09 <Abyssul> Why does the phone disable EVDO when you place a call?
Oct 30 16:32:21 <egaudet_work> yea
Oct 30 16:32:27 <PuffTheMagic> ^^ its working
Oct 30 16:32:28 <egaudet_work> well I didn't know what you meant by not working at that time :P
Oct 30 16:32:28 <PuffTheMagic> in a thread
Oct 30 16:32:40 <PuffTheMagic> lets see if i can get another connection
Oct 30 16:32:41 <egaudet_work> wahoo
Oct 30 16:32:41 <dBsooner-work> egaudet_work: ^^
Oct 30 16:32:48 <PuffTheMagic> yup
Oct 30 16:32:49 <PuffTheMagic> all good
Oct 30 16:32:53 <egaudet_work> I hate mIRC, I can't parse anything directed to me right now
Oct 30 16:32:53 <egaudet_work> lol
Oct 30 16:33:09 <PuffTheMagic> oh shit
Oct 30 16:33:14 <egaudet_work> Abyssul, because CDMA can't do both at the same time
Oct 30 16:33:20 <Abyssul> Oh ok
Oct 30 16:33:28 <Abyssul> I dont mind it, just wondering :)
Oct 30 16:33:29 <egaudet_work> dBsooner-work, yes
Oct 30 16:33:33 <egaudet_work> install but not replace the image
Oct 30 16:33:40 <dBsooner-work> egaudet_work: Not good
Oct 30 16:33:47 <PuffTheMagic> :D progress!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oct 30 16:33:51 <dBsooner-work> egaudet_work: If the patch is replacing an image, there is a reason for it.
Oct 30 16:33:51 <egaudet_work> there is no such thing as "good" in our situation
Oct 30 16:34:08 <dBsooner-work> egaudet_work: Example would be the no-quick-launcher
Oct 30 16:34:11 <egaudet_work> dBsooner-work, and we can't assume the reason for that nor the reason for previously replacing that image
Oct 30 16:34:13 <dBsooner-work> the patch is no good without the image being replaced.
Oct 30 16:34:20 <sugardave> someone give me the high-level of how all this patching works (I'm a patch virgin)...I want to install the download count patch, when a webOS update next occurs, do I have to remove the patch prior to upgrading, or just let webOS knock it out and then I re-install?
Oct 30 16:34:22 <egaudet_work> dBsooner-work, it's not "no good" it's just off
Oct 30 16:34:38 <dBsooner-work> the patch is no good
Oct 30 16:34:44 <egaudet_work> sugardave, install EPR immediately before or after an update
Oct 30 16:34:48 <Abyssul> Yep^
Oct 30 16:34:48 <dBsooner-work> the whole reason of the patch is to get rid of the launcher
Oct 30 16:34:55 <egaudet_work> sugardave, and then if install fails after update wait for patch to be ported
Oct 30 16:34:57 <dBsooner-work> and the one pixel image isw required to do that
Oct 30 16:35:11 <egaudet_work> dBsooner-work, kind of but not really
Oct 30 16:35:12 <sugardave> egaudet_work: thank you
Oct 30 16:35:15 <egaudet_work> there's a 2 step process in that package
Oct 30 16:35:28 <egaudet_work> 1) remove quick launch via image replacement, 2) patch app launcher to take full screen
Oct 30 16:35:54 <egaudet_work> there is no way around it if quick launch image was modified by a theme
Oct 30 16:35:57 <dBsooner-work> ok.. without part 1) its not "remove quick launch"
Oct 30 16:35:58 <egaudet_work> we just can't work around it
Oct 30 16:36:02 <dBsooner-work> s/remove/no/
Oct 30 16:36:03 <infobot> dBsooner-work meant: ok.. without part 1) its not "no quick launch"
Oct 30 16:36:06 <egaudet_work> and the other alternatives are worse
Oct 30 16:36:22 <egaudet_work> C'est la vie
Oct 30 16:36:39 <dBsooner-work> I vote for just not installing the patch if the png has already been touched
Oct 30 16:37:05 <dBsooner-work> and give an error output "This $file has already been modified. Theme installed? You cannot use this patch with a theme installed."
Oct 30 16:37:42 <dBsooner-work> s/You cannot use this patch with a theme installed./Please remove any themes or other patches that modified $file first. Or restore $file from original."
Oct 30 16:38:13 <egaudet_work> dBsooner-work, you are only voting for that because you are seeing the current no-quick-launch
Oct 30 16:38:42 <egaudet_work> but imagine in the future a large patch that does  a lot of functional changes, and has a couple image replacements for aesthetics, branding whatever
Oct 30 16:39:08 <Abyssul> Is there a way to test if the "Could not establish a data connection" error can occur? Like to activate the error?
Oct 30 16:39:12 <egaudet_work> and you can't assume a theme is installed because the image is changed
Oct 30 16:39:41 <PuffTheMagic> there could be a working irc client tonight now at this rate
Oct 30 16:39:53 <Abyssul> Wonderful^
Oct 30 16:42:51 <egaudet_work> I'm waiting to see a wIRC client type one character in here
Oct 30 16:42:58 <corecode> does the pre have some dsp hardware for audio/video (de)compression?
Oct 30 16:45:35 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet_work: ok!
Oct 30 16:49:31 <dBsooner-work> egaudet_work: I guess you are right. But what about future large image replacements (themes) that also patch css/html/js files? The patches will install, but not get the images anticipated?
Oct 30 16:50:35 <dBsooner-work> so if the theme developer who created the css/html patches expected the images to be replaced to "change their sizes" didn't get replaced, it could throw off the entire formatting of the scene.
Oct 30 16:51:23 <egaudet_work> this is Autopatch Technology :P not autotheme technology
Oct 30 16:52:50 <egaudet_work> I'm beginning to think no-quick-launch is better suited to theme but I don't know
Oct 30 16:53:03 <dBsooner-work> rwhitby's hope was for this to be used for thems.
Oct 30 16:53:10 <dBsooner-work> s./thems/themes/
Oct 30 16:53:13 <dBsooner-work> as;ldkfj
Oct 30 16:53:19 <egaudet_work> well we need the theme players in the discussion
Oct 30 16:53:27 <ethan> Hi, I'm trying to figure out how to instal mytether using preware. All the docs I can find seem to be out of date. In preware I can't get any canuk software packages to be shown in the available packages list. Does anyone have any suggestions?
Oct 30 16:53:58 <dBsooner-work> Don't use mytether? :D
Oct 30 16:54:00 <egaudet_work> if we want to design a autopatch technology to encompass themes, that's one thing.  This current discussion is adding image replacement SUPPORT to autopatch technology
Oct 30 16:54:33 <egaudet_work> prethemer and QI need to be on board before we can re-design APT to encompass themes, and that's not as trivial as it sounds either
Oct 30 16:54:42 <Robi_> egaudet_work: since the image names don't change zsync would work well there
Oct 30 16:54:50 <AnOutsider> I heard my name
Oct 30 16:54:56 <ethan> Why wouldn't I use mythether?
Oct 30 16:56:29 <egaudet_work> How would zsync work in this scope?
Oct 30 16:57:03 <dBsooner-work> ?
Oct 30 16:57:23 <Robi_> zsync would replace all files listed in a theme with the theme repo files of the same names..
Oct 30 16:58:03 <egaudet_work> AnOutsider, a hybrid patch/theme needs to be packaged.  Which has opened the discussion of image replacement support in Autopatch Technology.  Which has the potential to spread further into an all encompassing theme support integrated into Autopatch Technology.  Which would require careful design and discussions involving you and Jason
Oct 30 16:58:15 <Robi_> and the repo can always have a default theme, that can restore it back to normal
Oct 30 16:58:45 <dBsooner-work> Robi_: no it can't..
Oct 30 16:58:46 <egaudet_work> the repo can't have palm copyright images
Oct 30 16:58:54 <dBsooner-work> Robi_: can't distribute/host palm files.
Oct 30 16:59:05 <Robi_> k
Oct 30 16:59:33 <Robi_> then those files are backed up via script.
Oct 30 16:59:47 <Robi_> before zsync runs
Oct 30 16:59:49 <dBsooner-work> which really makes the repo pointless
Oct 30 17:00:09 <dBsooner-work> because we can just package all the images in the package
Oct 30 17:00:26 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet_work: ready????
Oct 30 17:00:35 <AnOutsider> egaudet: I'm fnie witht hat. ping me when you'd like to do that
Oct 30 17:00:57 <PuffTheMagic> ^^ haha
Oct 30 17:01:00 <PuffTheMagic> ready?
Oct 30 17:01:12 <dBsooner-work> make him talk!
Oct 30 17:01:53 <egaudet_work> lol
Oct 30 17:01:56 <egaudet_work> say something!
Oct 30 17:02:38 <PuffTheMagic> fuck
Oct 30 17:02:40 <PuffTheMagic> segfault
Oct 30 17:02:40 <dBsooner-work> heh
Oct 30 17:02:41 <egaudet_work> lol
Oct 30 17:02:49 <egaudet_work> fix your pointers~!
Oct 30 17:03:47 <egaudet_work> PuffTheMagic, your struct has a lot of pointers
Oct 30 17:03:55 <PuffTheMagic> it wasnt that
Oct 30 17:03:57 <egaudet_work> how are you allocating and setting them all up
Oct 30 17:04:02 <PuffTheMagic> i sent the message to the wrong function
Oct 30 17:04:15 <PuffTheMagic> json_get_* does it
Oct 30 17:05:24 <PuffTheMagic> test2 didnt break
Oct 30 17:05:27 <PuffTheMagic> but it didnt send anything
Oct 30 17:05:28 <PuffTheMagic> :(
Oct 30 17:05:46 <oilsworkn> :(
Oct 30 17:06:09 <egaudet_work> the silent irc client
Oct 30 17:07:34 <PuffTheMagic> ahh
Oct 30 17:07:38 <PuffTheMagic> typo
Oct 30 17:07:41 <PuffTheMagic> sendingto wrong channel
Oct 30 17:07:44 <egaudet_work> should we try to kick you
Oct 30 17:07:49 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 30 17:07:51 <wIRCd_egaudet> punks!
Oct 30 17:07:54 <PuffTheMagic> ahahahaha
Oct 30 17:07:54 <egaudet_work> OH SNAP!
Oct 30 17:08:03 <egaudet_work> what happens if you get kicked...
Oct 30 17:08:31 <egaudet_work> amazing progress
Oct 30 17:08:41 <PuffTheMagic> i can only send 1 message
Oct 30 17:08:42 <PuffTheMagic> wtf
Oct 30 17:08:44 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 30 17:09:23 <egaudet_work> hahaha
Oct 30 17:09:31 <egaudet_work> join, messsage, leave, repeat
Oct 30 17:09:58 <PuffTheMagic> actually
Oct 30 17:10:01 <PuffTheMagic> i cant send anything now
Oct 30 17:10:15 <wIRCd_egaudet> patches_suck
Oct 30 17:10:17 <PuffTheMagic> oh
Oct 30 17:10:20 <PuffTheMagic> i cant have spaces?
Oct 30 17:10:24 <wIRCd_egaudet> patches____suck
Oct 30 17:10:31 <PuffTheMagic> multiple message work... spaces dont
Oct 30 17:10:42 <PuffTheMagic> odd
Oct 30 17:10:48 <dBsooner-work> " "
Oct 30 17:10:51 <PuffTheMagic> might be a luna-send hickup
Oct 30 17:11:04 <wIRCd_egaudet> patches suck
Oct 30 17:11:07 <PuffTheMagic> there we go
Oct 30 17:11:08 <egaudet_work> stupid json
Oct 30 17:11:12 <PuffTheMagic> i have to escape spaces
Oct 30 17:11:29 <PuffTheMagic> stupid luna-send
Oct 30 17:11:42 <oilsworkn> speaking of patches sucking
Oct 30 17:11:52 <egaudet_work> patches will hit 100 soon
Oct 30 17:11:55 <oilsworkn> people make some really stupid requests for patches
Oct 30 17:12:01 <dBsooner-work> They would have hit 100 a long time ago
Oct 30 17:12:06 <dBsooner-work> but we are stuck on this image replacement
Oct 30 17:12:07 <oilsworkn> "id like closing hte slider to close all open cards"
Oct 30 17:12:13 <dBsooner-work> and I haven't packaged up the ones sent in
Oct 30 17:12:24 <dBsooner-work> "patch welcomed"
Oct 30 17:13:05 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn: that is retarded
Oct 30 17:13:09 <oilsworkn> it is
Oct 30 17:13:17 <oilsworkn> and he got all angry when someone pointed out how stupid it was
Oct 30 17:13:22 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn: i hope is not your request
Oct 30 17:13:28 <oilsworkn> oh, its not
Oct 30 17:13:45 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn: you have work to do when you are off work ;)
Oct 30 17:13:51 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn: dont plan on going out tonight
Oct 30 17:13:54 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 30 17:14:08 * oilsworkn has been waiting to make wirc usable for a while...
Oct 30 17:14:10 <PuffTheMagic> we are still gonna make my end of the month projection
Oct 30 17:14:27 <PuffTheMagic> by a whole day!
Oct 30 17:14:27 <nt4cats> oil: for your next update of preware can you display which feed it is fetching, so that when I'm stuck on the "downloading feed information" spinny-thing I don't have to walk through and toggle each feed one-by-one to find out who is misbehaving?
Oct 30 17:14:45 <PuffTheMagic> nt4cats: in the C version u will be able to
Oct 30 17:14:47 <oilsworkn> nt4cats: no
Oct 30 17:14:48 <egaudet_work> nt4cats, probably not until C service migration
Oct 30 17:14:57 <PuffTheMagic> actually
Oct 30 17:14:57 <egaudet_work> bam bam bam
Oct 30 17:15:01 <egaudet_work> 3 answers for the price of one
Oct 30 17:15:01 <PuffTheMagic> i could add it to the java one
Oct 30 17:15:03 <PuffTheMagic> but i wont
Oct 30 17:15:08 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 30 17:15:17 <nt4cats> wow.  I'm a little bit sorry I asked.
Oct 30 17:15:17 <egaudet_work> how can you add it to the java one PuffTheMagic?
Oct 30 17:15:24 <oilsworkn> dont feel sorry
Oct 30 17:15:49 <oilsworkn> it was a legitimate question
Oct 30 17:15:52 <oilsworkn> one ive asked myself
Oct 30 17:15:59 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet_work: modify the function that executes commands to dump the messages as it goes instead of collecting them all at once then dumping at the end
Oct 30 17:16:08 <egaudet_work> PuffTheMagic, it's not that
Oct 30 17:16:09 <PuffTheMagic> nt4cats: lol
Oct 30 17:16:15 <egaudet_work> the ipkg binary doesn't return until it's all done
Oct 30 17:16:16 <egaudet_work> ipkg update
Oct 30 17:16:23 <PuffTheMagic> oh yeah
Oct 30 17:16:25 <PuffTheMagic> :D
Oct 30 17:16:29 <oilsworkn> you can make the output verbose
Oct 30 17:16:30 <PuffTheMagic> nt4cats: not till the C service
Oct 30 17:16:32 <PuffTheMagic> :D
Oct 30 17:16:35 <egaudet_work> :P
Oct 30 17:16:42 <PuffTheMagic> yeah verbose might help
Oct 30 17:16:55 <oilsworkn> it outputs each feed as it goes
Oct 30 17:17:00 <oilsworkn> atleast, when i tested it in the emu it did
Oct 30 17:17:04 <egaudet_work> unless you did some thread spawning and scheduling, piping the output to a report function, slicing process time
Oct 30 17:17:10 <egaudet_work> I don't know java's capabilities though
Oct 30 17:17:39 <egaudet_work> it outputs each feed, but it doesn't return, so you need some preemption
Oct 30 17:17:59 <egaudet_work> multi threaded action
Oct 30 17:18:02 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet_work: no way
Oct 30 17:18:04 <PuffTheMagic> thats not needed
Oct 30 17:18:16 <egaudet_work> ??
Oct 30 17:18:29 <PuffTheMagic> in the cmd execution function i made
Oct 30 17:18:38 <PuffTheMagic> it reads from stdout till it sees a message
Oct 30 17:18:40 <PuffTheMagic> then stops
Oct 30 17:18:57 <PuffTheMagic> while reading each line i could send that to the message object
Oct 30 17:19:01 <PuffTheMagic> over dbus
Oct 30 17:19:07 <PuffTheMagic> instead of putting it into a string buffer
Oct 30 17:19:19 <PuffTheMagic> hmmm
Oct 30 17:19:19 <dBsooner-work> egaudet_work: so you rewrite those postinst/prerm/common.mk's so I can build a test while I am home during lunch?
Oct 30 17:19:28 <egaudet_work> once you kick off the ipkg command, you need to stop it from running after each output
Oct 30 17:19:37 <PuffTheMagic> errr
Oct 30 17:19:38 <PuffTheMagic> idk
Oct 30 17:19:39 <egaudet_work> how do you accomplish that
Oct 30 17:19:41 <PuffTheMagic> anyway
Oct 30 17:19:45 <PuffTheMagic> im not touching java
Oct 30 17:20:03 <PuffTheMagic> its dead simple in C
Oct 30 17:20:04 <egaudet_work> yea, I think it would require multi threading and stuff that's just not worth it since we are moving to C
Oct 30 17:20:22 <egaudet_work> dBsooner-work, no I haven't because we are stuck
Oct 30 17:20:28 <dBsooner-work> egaudet_work: ok
Oct 30 17:20:38 <egaudet_work> we have design decisions to make
Oct 30 17:20:47 <dBsooner-work> and jason took off
Oct 30 17:20:59 <egaudet_work> and those design decisions may take a few days to hash out
Oct 30 17:21:09 <oilsworkn> jason robotsomething?
Oct 30 17:21:13 <egaudet_work> so if we really want the no quick launch patch packaged, we'll have to use the current _extra scripts
Oct 30 17:21:21 <dBsooner-work> Robataille
Oct 30 17:21:31 <egaudet_work> do very careful md5sum and probably keep it out of EPR
Oct 30 17:21:35 <oilsworkn> dBsooner-work: it was a joke xD
Oct 30 17:21:53 <dBsooner-work> I know oilsworkn. I was just trying to say it right.
Oct 30 17:22:02 <dBsooner-work> egaudet_work: I'd rather it wait.
Oct 30 17:22:05 <egaudet_work> robot in a tie?
Oct 30 17:22:17 <egaudet_work> RobotTie
Oct 30 17:22:38 <dBsooner-work> Why push something out that isn't ready?
Oct 30 17:22:51 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 30 17:22:55 <egaudet_work> hence "if we really..."
Oct 30 17:23:14 <egaudet_work> or just double package it for now
Oct 30 17:23:18 <egaudet_work> and then bundle it
Oct 30 17:23:28 <dBsooner-work> nah, it can wait.
Oct 30 17:23:37 <egaudet_work> ~seen preston
Oct 30 17:23:41 <infobot> preston <i=8681729f@gateway/web/freenode/x-isqglvkbjsdthjav> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 1h 37m 7s ago, saying: 'i hadn't read that pm yet. thanks.'.
Oct 30 17:23:47 <egaudet_work> ~punch infobot
Oct 30 17:23:49 * infobot lets fly with a wild haymaker which catches infobot right on the nose
Oct 30 17:23:49 <oilsworkn> ~seen infobot
Oct 30 17:23:50 <infobot> i haven't seen 'infobot', oilsworkn
Oct 30 17:24:13 <oilsworkn> wait
Oct 30 17:24:17 <oilsworkn> did infobot just punch himself?
Oct 30 17:24:24 <egaudet_work> :D aww yea
Oct 30 17:24:28 <egaudet_work> that's how I roll
Oct 30 17:24:35 <oilsworkn> then said he hasn't seen himself
Oct 30 17:24:39 <oilsworkn> that he just punched in the face
Oct 30 17:24:41 <egaudet_work> lol
Oct 30 17:24:48 <oilsworkn> like "no, officer, it wasn't me"
Oct 30 17:24:50 <dBsooner-work> ~punch egaudet_work
Oct 30 17:24:51 * infobot lets fly with a wild haymaker which catches egaudet_work right on the nose
Oct 30 17:25:47 <egaudet_work> dalmaer is in webos
Oct 30 17:25:51 <egaudet_work> #webos
Oct 30 17:26:06 <oilsworkn> who is dalmaer?
Oct 30 17:26:23 <egaudet_work> one of the Palm developer relations guys i think?
Oct 30 17:26:30 <oilsworkn> ah
Oct 30 17:27:06 <oilsworkn> that "use prewares catalog download count" post by chuq made me lol
Oct 30 17:27:59 <dBsooner-work> mmm.. candy corn
Oct 30 17:28:23 <oilsworkn> http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/212191-patch-request-close-all-apps-when-slider-closed.html
Oct 30 17:28:27 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 30 17:28:54 <wIRCd_egaudet> I enjoy the smell of my own farts
Oct 30 17:29:01 <oilsworkn> ohh
Oct 30 17:29:10 <egaudet_work> lol
Oct 30 17:29:19 <egaudet_work> hmm
Oct 30 17:29:21 <egaudet_work> how do I kick
Oct 30 17:29:31 <PuffTheMagic> op yourself
Oct 30 17:29:35 <oilsworkn> yeah
Oct 30 17:29:37 <egaudet_work> ~kick wIRCd_egaudet
Oct 30 17:29:38 * infobot kicks wIRCd_egaudet
Oct 30 17:29:40 <egaudet_work> ~op myself
Oct 30 17:29:41 * infobot Mode change "+o myself" on channel #webos-internals by infobot
Oct 30 17:29:48 <AnOutsider> hahaha
Oct 30 17:29:53 * sugardave /nick myself
Oct 30 17:30:00 <nt4cats> egaudet_work: nope, type "~op nt4cats" (no quotes)
Oct 30 17:30:01 <egaudet_work> someone fix it
Oct 30 17:30:09 <egaudet_work> ~noop myself
Oct 30 17:30:12 <egaudet_work> ~op - myself
Oct 30 17:30:13 * infobot Mode change "+o - myself" on channel #webos-internals by infobot
Oct 30 17:30:17 <egaudet_work> ~op -o myself
Oct 30 17:30:18 * infobot Mode change "+o -o myself" on channel #webos-internals by infobot
Oct 30 17:30:34 <egaudet_work> lol
Oct 30 17:30:36 <egaudet_work> anyway
Oct 30 17:30:38 <PuffTheMagic> i just use /cs directly
Oct 30 17:31:13 <egaudet_work> gonna grab some lunch, bbiab
Oct 30 17:31:21 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 30 17:31:59 <oilsworkn> hey, just connecting to the server and joining a channel, and sending the channel a message is good stuff
Oct 30 17:32:17 <oilsworkn> thats as far as the gui is as far as functionality it can handle right now
Oct 30 17:32:46 <nt4cats> ~ban myself
Oct 30 17:33:12 <oilsworkn> though im guessing there won't be a wircd ipk
Oct 30 17:33:13 <nt4cats> wow, doing "~ban myself" made wIRCd_egaudet leave the room.
Oct 30 17:33:13 <PuffTheMagic> now to jsonify the output
Oct 30 17:33:17 * nt4cats is powerful
Oct 30 17:33:29 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn: why do you say that
Oct 30 17:33:41 <PuffTheMagic> i will make one once you get the client working with out an ipk
Oct 30 17:33:57 <oilsworkn> cause you're usually anti-make-oil-an-ipk-to-make-it-easy
Oct 30 17:34:25 <oilsworkn> its also only arm7, right?
Oct 30 17:34:28 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn: all you have to do is download the binary and run it
Oct 30 17:34:35 <PuffTheMagic> there are no event.d files
Oct 30 17:34:42 <PuffTheMagic> or dbus session files to mess with
Oct 30 17:34:50 <PuffTheMagic> that is EASIER than installing an ipk
Oct 30 17:35:08 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn: maybe if you are lucky i will make a i686 version but i dont have the sdk setup to test it
Oct 30 17:35:54 <oilsworkn> ok
Oct 30 17:36:13 <oilsworkn> its just easier for me to develop in the emu
Oct 30 17:38:13 <oilsworkn> unfortunately now this day is going to take forever
Oct 30 17:38:18 <oilsworkn> with me wanting to get home to work on it
Oct 30 17:40:00 <oilsworkn> what, i was reading hte front page of precentral and an ad just flew down the screen right in the middle of the viewport
Oct 30 17:40:17 <oilsworkn> i do hope they don't plan to have more of that shit, or ill stop visiting
Oct 30 17:44:16 <evulc> when using Ajax.Request to post data to my server from my phone, it works great over wifi but not over wan. Both cases give me an onSuccess. when running over wifi, responseText comes back with expected data. when over wan, responseText comaes back blank. anyone know anything about this?
Oct 30 17:45:33 <oilsworkn> dont know any solution, but i have heard others with the same problem, but the other way around
Oct 30 17:46:50 <en0x> oilsworkn: use adblock :D
Oct 30 17:47:38 <oilsworkn> i use chrome
Oct 30 17:47:41 <evulc> oilsworkn: damn.
Oct 30 17:48:00 <evulc> can't for the life of me figure this one out.
Oct 30 17:48:18 <oilsworkn> have you tried bringing up the page in the browser on each connection?
Oct 30 17:48:27 <evulc> can't seem to find any discussion of it either.
Oct 30 17:48:34 <evulc> yes.
Oct 30 17:48:43 <evulc> works in browser in both cases.
Oct 30 17:48:46 <oilsworkn> huh
Oct 30 17:48:53 <oilsworkn> caching problem?
Oct 30 17:48:53 <evulc> yeah. most confusing.
Oct 30 17:49:08 <evulc> do these apps cache thru a reboot?
Oct 30 17:49:14 <oilsworkn> idk
Oct 30 17:49:16 <oilsworkn> give it a shot
Oct 30 17:49:20 * evulc is a newbie developer of webos apps.
Oct 30 17:49:30 <oilsworkn> you should change your server-side script to tell the browser not to cache it
Oct 30 17:49:42 <evulc> ah ah ok!
Oct 30 17:49:46 <evulc> will try that.
Oct 30 17:49:51 <evulc> thx!
Oct 30 17:49:51 <oilsworkn> (i used to run into that a lot)
Oct 30 17:49:54 <en0x> egaudet_work: make a screen from wIRC... does it show anything?
Oct 30 17:49:55 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn: http://dpaste.com/114297/
Oct 30 17:50:11 <PuffTheMagic> ^^ sample output from the main connect method in json format
Oct 30 17:50:35 <en0x> aint bad
Oct 30 17:51:00 <oilsworkn> looks ok to me
Oct 30 17:51:15 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn: you will need that sessionToken for other calls
Oct 30 17:51:20 <oilsworkn> yeah
Oct 30 17:51:21 <PuffTheMagic> like sending a message
Oct 30 17:51:22 <evulc> oh my. an irc client for webos?
Oct 30 17:51:24 <oilsworkn> the server connection would hold it
Oct 30 17:51:40 <PuffTheMagic> evulc: yup
Oct 30 17:52:14 <oilsworkn> well now that i know how the responses look
Oct 30 17:52:20 <oilsworkn> it shouldn't be hard to get it into the gui
Oct 30 17:52:34 <PuffTheMagic> i still have more callbacks to connect
Oct 30 17:52:41 <PuffTheMagic> like the ones for messages
Oct 30 17:52:46 <PuffTheMagic> also
Oct 30 17:52:46 <oilsworkn> right
Oct 30 17:52:54 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn: i've only tested this with luna-send so far so i dont know how robust the sessionToken is
Oct 30 17:52:56 <oilsworkn> so one connection subscription
Oct 30 17:52:59 <oilsworkn> that everything goes through
Oct 30 17:53:13 <oilsworkn> everything is read from there and put to the status/channel windows
Oct 30 17:53:33 <PuffTheMagic> yeah
Oct 30 17:53:36 <oilsworkn> awesome
Oct 30 17:53:38 <PuffTheMagic> thats the plan
Oct 30 17:53:44 <PuffTheMagic> const char* sessionToken = LSMessageGetUniqueToken(message)+1;
Oct 30 17:53:47 <oilsworkn> but then multiple little calls for sending stuff to the session
Oct 30 17:53:57 <PuffTheMagic> yeah
Oct 30 17:54:06 <PuffTheMagic> sessionToken "should" be unique
Oct 30 17:54:09 <oilsworkn> ok
Oct 30 17:54:41 <oilsworkn> the day keeps getting longer :(
Oct 30 17:55:09 <PuffTheMagic> lol
Oct 30 17:55:15 <PuffTheMagic> the service keeps getting easier :D
Oct 30 17:55:26 * oilsworkn makes up doctors appointment or something for this afternoon
Oct 30 17:55:34 <oilsworkn> dentist
Oct 30 17:55:38 <oilsworkn> thats a good one
Oct 30 17:55:39 <PuffTheMagic> do it!
Oct 30 17:55:41 <oilsworkn> haven't used it in a while
Oct 30 17:55:41 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 30 17:56:12 <PuffTheMagic> i usually save those for when i want to sleep in with a girl... not for hacking
Oct 30 17:56:18 <PuffTheMagic> but you can do what you want :D
Oct 30 17:56:25 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 30 18:02:35 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 30 18:04:04 <gkatsev> PuffTheMagic: cool
Oct 30 18:09:06 <egaudet_wIRCd> guess what i can do now
Oct 30 18:09:18 <oilsworkn> what?
Oct 30 18:09:46 * egaudet_wIRCd i can do this
Oct 30 18:10:07 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 30 18:10:12 <gkatsev> lol
Oct 30 18:10:43 <oilsworkn> what is that?
Oct 30 18:10:45 <egaudet_work> oh snap
Oct 30 18:10:47 <egaudet_work> commands
Oct 30 18:11:10 <PuffTheMagic>  /me and /notice
Oct 30 18:11:22 <oilsworkn> ah
Oct 30 18:11:49 <egaudet_work> you don't have to add explicit support for each irc command right PuffTheMagic?
Oct 30 18:12:05 <PuffTheMagic> yeah i do
Oct 30 18:12:08 <oilsworkn> yeah
Oct 30 18:12:09 <PuffTheMagic> there arent many though
Oct 30 18:12:09 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 30 18:12:16 <oilsworkn> the app needs to parse them too
Oct 30 18:12:19 <oilsworkn> to know which command to send
Oct 30 18:12:28 <oilsworkn> i did /me
Oct 30 18:12:30 <PuffTheMagic> http://libircclient.sourceforge.net/libircclient_8h.html
Oct 30 18:12:35 <oilsworkn> and /nick
Oct 30 18:12:36 <oilsworkn> and /join
Oct 30 18:12:39 <PuffTheMagic> ^^ all the ones with irc_cmd
Oct 30 18:12:40 <oilsworkn> but thats all i put it
Oct 30 18:12:58 <egaudet_work> I figured libircclient would have a command parser
Oct 30 18:13:05 <PuffTheMagic> dont think so
Oct 30 18:13:09 <PuffTheMagic> thats up to the client i think
Oct 30 18:13:22 <oilsworkn> yeah
Oct 30 18:13:25 <PuffTheMagic> but im sur ei could do it in wIRCd
Oct 30 18:13:29 <egaudet_work> I wasn't sure if commands were more client based or universal to IRC, but I guess that makes sense
Oct 30 18:13:45 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet_work: i was wondering that the other night too
Oct 30 18:13:49 <egaudet_work> I think definitely the parsing should be done in wIRCd
Oct 30 18:13:57 <oilsworkn> really?
Oct 30 18:13:57 <PuffTheMagic> dcc transfers are gonna be cool :D
Oct 30 18:14:07 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet_work: might be faster
Oct 30 18:14:09 <PuffTheMagic> but probably harder
Oct 30 18:14:14 <egaudet_work> faster and I think it's where it belongs
Oct 30 18:14:25 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet_work: i will let you write the irc cmd parser then
Oct 30 18:14:28 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 30 18:14:28 <egaudet_work> wIRCd determines via libircclient what command to send, the gui should just pass text to it
Oct 30 18:14:32 <oilsworkn> its a regular expression
Oct 30 18:14:45 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn: no way
Oct 30 18:14:56 <PuffTheMagic> its arrays of char*
Oct 30 18:15:02 <PuffTheMagic> tokens
Oct 30 18:15:03 * egaudet_work will write command parser
Oct 30 18:15:06 <egaudet_work> it will be a breaze
Oct 30 18:15:59 <oilsworkn> hm
Oct 30 18:16:21 <oilsworkn> if you /join a channel
Oct 30 18:16:41 <PuffTheMagic> hold on though
Oct 30 18:16:41 <oilsworkn> does the subscription come back with anything to say that you're joining a channel?
Oct 30 18:16:45 <PuffTheMagic> before we get ahead of our selves
Oct 30 18:17:00 <oilsworkn> doesn't the gui need to know that you're joining a channel
Oct 30 18:17:01 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn: yeah it should
Oct 30 18:17:02 <oilsworkn> so it can spawn the window
Oct 30 18:17:03 <oilsworkn> etc
Oct 30 18:17:05 <PuffTheMagic> once i connect that info
Oct 30 18:18:05 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn: what time is your dentist apt?
Oct 30 18:18:12 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 30 18:18:19 <PuffTheMagic> what about aliases
Oct 30 18:18:25 <PuffTheMagic> like /j == /join
Oct 30 18:18:27 <PuffTheMagic> thats all done in the gui
Oct 30 18:18:35 <PuffTheMagic> so parsing should be in the gui :D
Oct 30 18:20:52 <egaudet_work> is it done in the gui though?
Oct 30 18:21:37 <PuffTheMagic> how would the service/library know about user defines aliases?
Oct 30 18:21:58 <egaudet_work> define_alias() service call hehe hmmmm
Oct 30 18:22:46 <egaudet_work> I guess the service simply being a link from mojo to libirc
Oct 30 18:24:38 <egaudet_work> as long as there's not a big performance hit
Oct 30 18:25:33 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet_work: guess you could use a hashtable in the service
Oct 30 18:25:40 <PuffTheMagic> to link alias to real command
Oct 30 18:25:48 <PuffTheMagic> and should be fairly quick
Oct 30 18:26:07 <PuffTheMagic> and i could make a method so that the gui and update it
Oct 30 18:30:55 <dBsooner-work> so how much data is wIRCd going to push/pull?
Oct 30 18:31:04 <dBsooner-work> will it be a constant data connection?
Oct 30 18:31:10 <dBsooner-work> thus making all calls roll to VM?
Oct 30 18:31:24 <sugardave> that's a feature
Oct 30 18:31:43 <PuffTheMagic> dBsooner-work: ?
Oct 30 18:31:54 <dBsooner-work> sugardave: what to have voice calls interrupt data?
Oct 30 18:32:00 <PuffTheMagic> dBsooner-work: depends on how my servers and channels you have open
Oct 30 18:32:03 <dBsooner-work> I guarantee you it doesn't work all the time.
Oct 30 18:32:55 <dBsooner-work> Case in point: used Spritn Nav on the way home from the OU Games.. just so I know almost my exact ETA.
Oct 30 18:33:09 <dBsooner-work> I will end my session every now and then and have like 4 new voicemails.
Oct 30 18:33:36 <dBsooner-work> That's the onyl thing I despise about CDMA.
Oct 30 18:33:40 <PuffTheMagic> dBsooner-work: so what are you saying... you do or do not want calls blocked?
Oct 30 18:33:50 <PuffTheMagic> cause i think thats an option
Oct 30 18:33:55 <PuffTheMagic> that can be changed
Oct 30 18:33:57 <dBsooner-work> sigh
Oct 30 18:34:02 <dBsooner-work> In th ephone, I know
Oct 30 18:34:09 <dBsooner-work> mine is set to "allow phones calls to interrupt data"
Oct 30 18:34:31 <dBsooner-work> but it still doesn't work all the time.
Oct 30 18:34:45 <jauderho> does wircd make use of the xmpp service that the pre has? curious.
Oct 30 18:34:59 * Mousey perks up
Oct 30 18:35:05 <PuffTheMagic> jauderho: xmpp?
Oct 30 18:35:06 <keith> mousey, whats up man
Oct 30 18:35:14 <Mousey> xmpp == jabber
Oct 30 18:35:20 <Mousey> keith: yo meng
Oct 30 18:35:21 <PuffTheMagic> why would it?
Oct 30 18:35:34 <PuffTheMagic> xmpp != irc
Oct 30 18:35:35 <Mousey> because people want a generic jabber client
Oct 30 18:35:36 <Mousey> ^_^
Oct 30 18:35:42 <keith> Mousey: i finally listened to those mp3s, good stuff. i had the j-live ones and a few others already like the murs ones
Oct 30 18:35:42 <PuffTheMagic> then they can make one
Oct 30 18:35:45 <jauderho> plus you could set up a gateway. =)
Oct 30 18:35:46 <keith> you need to check out my ampache dude
Oct 30 18:35:47 <PuffTheMagic> i am making an irc client
Oct 30 18:35:54 <Mousey> keith: ever closar
Oct 30 18:35:54 <PuffTheMagic> it will not be polluted with xmpp
Oct 30 18:36:02 <Mousey> keith: i told you.. now THAT'S hip hop
Oct 30 18:36:03 <keith> Mousey: what?
Oct 30 18:36:15 <keith> eh, everything is hiphop bro
Oct 30 18:36:21 <PuffTheMagic> im still confused
Oct 30 18:36:27 <Mousey> PuffTheMagic isn't hip hop
Oct 30 18:36:30 <PuffTheMagic> if the pre has a xmpp service... then why is there no gui?
Oct 30 18:36:38 <jauderho> PuffTheMagic: dunno.
Oct 30 18:36:39 <Mousey> PuffTheMagic: THE ETERNAL QUESTION!
Oct 30 18:36:47 <jauderho> see http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1671
Oct 30 18:36:49 <PuffTheMagic> i dont think it has xmpp
Oct 30 18:37:03 <Mousey> PuffTheMagic: it has GoogleTalk built right in? it has XMPP. case closed
Oct 30 18:37:11 <keith> Mousey: http://rhymesayers.com/news/pos_premieres_never_better_video_on_mtv_today
Oct 30 18:37:15 <jauderho> there is definitely xmpp. I've seen the pubsub service come online in the logs
Oct 30 18:37:25 <keith> Mousey: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vFVp00-19M
Oct 30 18:37:30 <keith> Mousey: check out those 2 videos
Oct 30 18:37:36 <Mousey> libpurple is already in there, so xmpp is GO
Oct 30 18:37:37 <PuffTheMagic> ahh well either way wIRCd is for IRC only
Oct 30 18:37:45 <Mousey> keith: aight
Oct 30 18:37:46 <keith> ya, XMPP is what gtalk support uses.
Oct 30 18:37:56 <keith> so we all know XMPP is there.
Oct 30 18:38:05 <Mousey> we just can't have it cuz we're not cool enough
Oct 30 18:38:07 <Mousey> BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
Oct 30 18:38:22 <PuffTheMagic> write a damn client that uses it
Oct 30 18:38:22 <dBsooner-work> PuffTheMagic: for now
Oct 30 18:38:25 <keith> man i gotta go work in labs all day today
Oct 30 18:38:27 <jauderho> PuffTheMagic: which is why I was curious how you were implementing irc
Oct 30 18:38:29 <PuffTheMagic> dBsooner-work: for ever!
Oct 30 18:38:30 <dBsooner-work> PuffTheMagic: unless someone takes it and makes a branch
Oct 30 18:38:32 <jauderho> no biggie
Oct 30 18:38:45 <PuffTheMagic> dBsooner-work: im not using libpurple
Oct 30 18:38:51 <PuffTheMagic> so it would be pretty useless to fork wIRCd
Oct 30 18:39:07 <dBsooner-work> so why fork Preware?
Oct 30 18:39:10 * Mousey agrees that wIRCd and XMPP/Jabber/libpurple have 0 to do with each other
Oct 30 18:39:19 <Mousey> dBsooner-work: so it will do email and irc!
Oct 30 18:39:19 <dBsooner-work> it is also useless to fork it, but they did.
Oct 30 18:39:21 <PuffTheMagic> dBsooner-work: for preware?
Oct 30 18:39:31 <Mousey> wait. somebody forked preware?!
Oct 30 18:39:32 <PuffTheMagic> s/for/fork/?
Oct 30 18:39:42 <PuffTheMagic> Mousey: yeah so they could change default theme
Oct 30 18:39:42 <dBsooner-work> wait, can you call it a fork?
Oct 30 18:39:51 <dBsooner-work> all they did was re-brand it, no?
Oct 30 18:39:53 <Mousey> it has another theme! dark!
Oct 30 18:39:56 <dBsooner-work> and strip out a help scene
Oct 30 18:40:03 <Mousey> wth
Oct 30 18:40:21 <dBsooner-work> Mousey: "Installer"
Oct 30 18:40:23 <Mousey> all that energy coulda been put into a "enter xmpp servername" scene
Oct 30 18:40:29 <Mousey> bastards
Oct 30 18:40:31 <dBsooner-work> What a clever name
Oct 30 18:40:32 <dBsooner-work> ;)
Oct 30 18:40:33 * Mousey waves fist
Oct 30 18:40:52 <Mousey> but wait.. why??
Oct 30 18:40:57 <dBsooner-work> taht would be like calling wIRCd, "IRC"
Oct 30 18:46:26 <Mousey> is Update Feeds in Preware any different than "ipkg -o /var update"
Oct 30 18:46:27 <Mousey> ?
Oct 30 18:46:36 <dBsooner-work> no
Oct 30 18:46:40 <Mousey> oh
Oct 30 18:46:48 <dBsooner-work> wit
Oct 30 18:46:49 <dBsooner-work> wait
Oct 30 18:46:51 <dBsooner-work> I don't know
Oct 30 18:46:55 <Mousey> uh
Oct 30 18:47:01 <dBsooner-work> I know update feeds DOES ipkg -o /var update
Oct 30 18:47:09 <dBsooner-work> whether it does more or not after that, dunno.
Oct 30 18:47:12 <Mousey> ah
Oct 30 18:48:20 <PuffTheMagic> should be the same
Oct 30 18:49:48 <oilsworkn> http://sanantonio.craigslist.org/mob/1442030753.html
Oct 30 18:49:57 <oilsworkn> " i loaded software called preware and file coaster on the phone that cost me about $50. "
Oct 30 18:50:07 * oilsworkn wonders where his cut is
Oct 30 18:51:41 <dBsooner-work> lol
Oct 30 18:51:43 <SirWill> Oil, that is funny.
Oct 30 18:52:05 <dBsooner-work> probably paid someone to do it
Oct 30 18:52:09 <SirWill> Hope it's not someone I helped figure out how to get it on the pre in the first place...  If so I want my cut too. LOL
Oct 30 18:52:19 * dBsooner-work just got an idea...
Oct 30 18:52:22 <AnOutsider> haha
Oct 30 18:52:33 <AnOutsider> it's not unlikely that someoen actually charged them to do that
Oct 30 18:52:34 <SirWill> what Preware loading service?
Oct 30 18:52:56 * dBsooner-work goes to buy "wetweakyourpre.com"
Oct 30 18:53:19 <SirWill> I read that at first as wet weak your pre
Oct 30 18:53:52 <SirWill> as in someone in china writing the user manual.  LOL
Oct 30 18:56:14 <gkatsev> dBsooner-work: what?
Oct 30 18:57:03 <dBsooner-work> gkatsev: I'll wet weak your pre
Oct 30 18:57:36 <gkatsev> dBsooner-work: whic means?
Oct 30 18:57:41 <dBsooner-work> nm
Oct 30 18:58:24 <dBsooner-work> oil posted that link about the guy who said getting preware and file coster on the phone cost him about $50"
Oct 30 18:59:05 <dBsooner-work> then I said, the guy probably paid someone to do it.. and I was like hmm.. idea.. make the website and have someone UPS me their pre and I'll install Preware/File coaster on it and UPS it back.
Oct 30 18:59:13 <dBsooner-work> and I would call it "WeTweakYourPre.com"
Oct 30 19:01:13 <dBsooner-work> or "PreTweaker.com"
Oct 30 19:01:26 * oilsworkn goes to lunch
Oct 30 19:01:53 <egaudet_work> rwhitby, ping
Oct 30 19:02:40 <gkatsev> dBsooner-work: lol, i read it at first as wet weak your pre and then when you responded it was also wet weak your pre so i was confused, lol
Oct 30 19:02:43 <dBsooner-work> its 0530 in Adelaide..
Oct 30 19:02:54 <dBsooner-work> yeah, I thought it was funny, so I said t again
Oct 30 19:04:56 <dBsooner-work> so i got my touchstone working like a champ in my car
Oct 30 19:05:38 <dBsooner-work> it's called a dc-ac inverter
Oct 30 19:11:21 <PuffTheMagic> ok so more progress
Oct 30 19:11:55 <PuffTheMagic> msg,me,notice,join,part,invite,names,list,topic,channel_mode,kick
Oct 30 19:11:59 <PuffTheMagic> ^^ should all work now :D
Oct 30 19:14:10 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet_work: ooooh!! irc_send_raw()
Oct 30 19:15:04 * sportman waves
Oct 30 19:15:08 <sportman> so when did they remove mytether from preware?
Oct 30 19:15:37 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet_work: no need for a parser
Oct 30 19:16:35 <egaudet_work> PuffTheMagic, how so?
Oct 30 19:17:01 <egaudet_work> what does send_raw do that the other send doesn't
Oct 30 19:17:10 <PuffTheMagic> what other send?
Oct 30 19:17:56 <egaudet_work> whatever other send you were using?
Oct 30 19:18:11 <egaudet_work> I didn't understand what was exciting about irc_send_raw() ?
Oct 30 19:18:28 <PuffTheMagic> irc_send_raw() is for sending raw commands to the server
Oct 30 19:18:42 <PuffTheMagic> This function sends the raw data as-is to the IRC server. Use it to generate a server command, which is not (yet) provided by libircclient directly.
Oct 30 19:18:52 <Robi_> How can I snap a screenshot of the lock screen on the Palm Pre?
Oct 30 19:19:07 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet_work: so there is no need to part commands
Oct 30 19:19:11 <Robi_> ^ via twitter
Oct 30 19:19:17 <en0x> saw it
Oct 30 19:19:28 <en0x> take a camera and take a picture :P
Oct 30 19:19:51 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet_work: it basically means we dont need to make a parser
Oct 30 19:20:06 <PuffTheMagic> the gui can use direct methods when it can
Oct 30 19:20:17 <Robi_> en0x: isn't there a way to trigger the screen cap from CLI?
Oct 30 19:20:21 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet_work: and when users type shit manually we can just direct that to the send raw function
Oct 30 19:20:36 <PuffTheMagic> instead of parsing it then sending it to the exposed methods
Oct 30 19:20:39 <en0x> dont think so
Oct 30 19:20:55 <PuffTheMagic> Robi_: yes there are ways
Oct 30 19:21:10 <PuffTheMagic> Robi_: but i dont think the pre comes with the tools that let you do it
Oct 30 19:21:17 <PuffTheMagic> they might be in optware though
Oct 30 19:21:43 <Robi_> PuffTheMagic: does the emu even have a lock screen?
Oct 30 19:21:50 <en0x> write a cron job to take a screenshot after 5 minutes so you will be able to lock it
Oct 30 19:22:11 <PuffTheMagic> Robi_: i dont know what you mean by lock screen
Oct 30 19:22:25 <egaudet_work> PuffTheMagic, so what about alias
Oct 30 19:22:28 <Robi_> en0x: not necessary. just need to have the lock screen displayed when you press enter on the command
Oct 30 19:22:36 <egaudet_work> can't just raw send an alias
Oct 30 19:22:40 <Robi_> PuffTheMagic: the button you have to swipe up screen
Oct 30 19:22:43 <egaudet_work> so gui still has to parse
Oct 30 19:23:05 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet_work: but to a lesser extent
Oct 30 19:23:11 <PuffTheMagic> simple replace a with b
Oct 30 19:23:58 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet_work: the wIRCd could still do that part too
Oct 30 19:25:17 <dBsooner-work> en0x: did you get your texts back when you meta-doctored?
Oct 30 19:25:42 <egaudet_work> true
Oct 30 19:25:55 <egaudet_work> but are all the customary client commands server commands too?
Oct 30 19:27:31 <Robi_> en0x: get twitter lists yet?
Oct 30 19:27:38 <egaudet_work> there's got to be a good reason they expose the commands in the libirc rather than send everything raw for the server right?
Oct 30 19:29:04 <en0x> dBsooner-work: nope I always ended up with corrupted db3 file
Oct 30 19:29:06 <en0x> Robi_: nah
Oct 30 19:31:40 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet_work: well basically anything that begins with a / we can treat as a server command
Oct 30 19:31:55 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet_work: else we treat it as a message to that nick/channel
Oct 30 19:32:09 <egaudet_work> is /me a server command
Oct 30 19:32:11 <PuffTheMagic> we could "parse" known commands
Oct 30 19:32:16 <PuffTheMagic> yeah
Oct 30 19:32:22 * PuffTheMagic just used /me
Oct 30 19:32:30 <PuffTheMagic> well...
Oct 30 19:32:30 <PuffTheMagic> idk
Oct 30 19:32:37 <PuffTheMagic> we will have to experiment with whats best
Oct 30 19:32:46 <PuffTheMagic> im just saying we have a way to send raw commands
Oct 30 19:32:48 <PuffTheMagic> thats for sure
Oct 30 19:32:58 <egaudet_work> is there anything that is not a server command?  Why have irc_command_*() methods exposed?  Just for non standard possibilities?  Like tap a button or use a different command key etc.../
Oct 30 19:33:03 <dBsooner-work> make sure you make /nickserv
Oct 30 19:33:07 <dBsooner-work> and /chanserv
Oct 30 19:33:17 <dBsooner-work> because /msg nickserv can be dangerous
Oct 30 19:33:46 <PuffTheMagic> dBsooner-work: thats is an alias that you can set up in the gui
Oct 30 19:33:50 <egaudet_work> PuffTheMagic so is there message_send as well as raw_send?
Oct 30 19:33:53 <PuffTheMagic>  /ns and /cs
Oct 30 19:34:08 <PuffTheMagic> irc_cmd_msg <- sends to nick or channel
Oct 30 19:34:42 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet_work: lets just forget about the send raw thing for now
Oct 30 19:34:58 <PuffTheMagic> i will implement it later when we know we need it
Oct 30 19:35:13 <egaudet_work> send everything through send_raw :P  but yea
Oct 30 19:35:24 <dBsooner-work> again, using "/msg nickserv" is dangerous
Oct 30 19:35:31 <dBsooner-work> usually /nickserv is a server command
Oct 30 19:35:57 <PuffTheMagic> no its usually an alias
Oct 30 19:36:13 <egaudet_work> NickServ- Invalid command. Use /msg NickServ help for a command listing
Oct 30 19:36:17 <PuffTheMagic> maybe not
Oct 30 19:36:22 <PuffTheMagic> idk
Oct 30 19:36:40 <egaudet_work> so that tells me it's not server command
Oct 30 19:36:47 <PuffTheMagic> ummm
Oct 30 19:36:49 <PuffTheMagic> what did u type
Oct 30 19:36:56 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet_work: if u got a response like that then it did work
Oct 30 19:37:01 <PuffTheMagic> u just didnt give it a param
Oct 30 19:37:29 <PuffTheMagic> actually
Oct 30 19:37:31 <PuffTheMagic> in quassel
Oct 30 19:37:39 <PuffTheMagic>  /ns and /nickserv are setup as aliases
Oct 30 19:37:51 <PuffTheMagic> same with /cs and /chanserv
Oct 30 19:37:55 <Robi_> hm perhaps have a vnc session to the Pre and snap a pic of the lock screen
Oct 30 19:38:08 <PuffTheMagic> why
Oct 30 19:38:12 <PuffTheMagic> why hwy hwy
Oct 30 19:38:17 <PuffTheMagic> just use a screenshot program
Oct 30 19:38:20 <PuffTheMagic> on the emulator window
Oct 30 19:38:23 <PuffTheMagic> call it a day
Oct 30 19:38:33 <PuffTheMagic> why mess with vnc
Oct 30 19:39:02 <Robi_> cuz you can
Oct 30 19:39:19 <Robi_> and you didn't say anything about emu before
Oct 30 19:39:39 <Robi_> not that I didn't think of it already
Oct 30 19:44:51 <krustyjonez> can anyone recommend tools better than watching battery monitor to figure out what's draining the battery?
Oct 30 19:45:33 <Robi_> i left a browser going that kept refreshing, drained the pre while it was sleeping.
Oct 30 19:45:52 <Robi_> krustyjonez: top should give you an idea
Oct 30 19:48:15 <egaudet_work> top will give you an idea of what's using a lot of cpu time
Oct 30 19:48:32 <AnOutsider> egaudet, got a sec for an opinion?
Oct 30 19:48:42 <egaudet_work> but the radio and stuff drains a lot of battery, being in weak coverage area is the worst
Oct 30 19:48:55 <egaudet_work> back and forth between sprint and roaming, evdo etc..
Oct 30 19:48:59 <egaudet_work> AnOutsider, yea
Oct 30 19:49:18 <Robi_> ya if top shows nothing interesting, then it's one of the chips, so start turning them off until you find it
Oct 30 19:50:00 <AnOutsider> I'm about to add support for third party app icons on prethemer
Oct 30 19:50:37 <AnOutsider> my thing though, is let's say someone themes the icon for say, music remix, and it's not installed on the phone. Do I still copy the path over? It's just going to get overwritten if they ever actually install the app right?
Oct 30 19:51:04 <egaudet_work> I wouldn't copy it over
Oct 30 19:51:13 <AnOutsider> so the other idea is to check to see if the directories exist first and don't copy if they don't. Either scenario though, if the person downloads the app later on, the icon won't be themed
Oct 30 19:51:15 <egaudet_work> check if it exists, and if not skip it
Oct 30 19:51:22 <AnOutsider> iight
Oct 30 19:51:25 <en0x> egaudet_work: true radio sucks... it can drain your battery from 100% to 20% in 4 hrs if the coverage sucks
Oct 30 19:51:25 <egaudet_work> see if the exact file exists yea
Oct 30 19:51:53 <egaudet_work> AnOutsider, yea that's something I'm not sure you can get around
Oct 30 19:52:02 <AnOutsider> not without a theme management app nope
Oct 30 19:52:19 <egaudet_work> yea something would need to be running/listening or triggered to run
Oct 30 19:52:40 <egaudet_work> sounds like the slight user inconvenience of uninstalling/reinstalling theme is better alternative?
Oct 30 19:52:55 <AnOutsider> not worth the overhead, but I just KNOW people will be like "OMG this icon isnt themed even though it is in the screenshots!!!111one"
Oct 30 19:53:01 <krustyjonez> true radio?
Oct 30 19:53:06 <Robi_> the batt saver app works pretty well btw, turns on/off airplane mode at set times
Oct 30 19:53:18 <Robi_> krustyjonez: put a ',' in there
Oct 30 19:53:29 <krustyjonez> yeah, but that sort of defeats the point of having a phone :-)
Oct 30 19:53:44 <krustyjonez> (batt saver)
Oct 30 19:53:46 <egaudet_work> AnOutsider, you can never please everyone :P
Oct 30 19:54:01 <krustyjonez> top mainly just shows luna with 270M
Oct 30 19:54:41 <egaudet_work> you could decrease the polling to tower time with one of the ## codes in the phone can't you?
Oct 30 19:55:05 <egaudet_work> although it will decrease your response time to get the ring on incoming clal, it could save some battery maybe
Oct 30 19:55:54 <Robi_> krustyjonez: you need to increase the update interval
Oct 30 19:56:10 <Robi_> while in top, try: s .8
Oct 30 19:56:23 <krustyjonez> all of you also run synergy/messaging on with AIM? that "bug" is supposed to be fixed right?
Oct 30 19:56:58 <egaudet_work> http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/212240-palm-c-compiler.html
Oct 30 20:02:30 * mikewx perks up
Oct 30 20:03:01 <mikewx> oh, not a palm native c api~
Oct 30 20:03:04 * mikewx goes back to sleep
Oct 30 20:09:55 <jauderho> egaudet_work: what's the point? you can install a cross compile environment that is way faster on a real machine
Oct 30 20:10:36 <egaudet_work> i know I was wondering why he wanted to do this
Oct 30 20:10:49 <egaudet_work> yum and all that too
Oct 30 20:10:54 <jauderho> maybe he does not know how to cross compile
Oct 30 20:11:21 <egaudet_wIRCd> wIRCd ftw!
Oct 30 20:11:27 <egaudet_work> :P
Oct 30 20:11:34 <jauderho> in other news, it looks like whatever the next release is, palm is not updating the webkit source. still 525.27.1.. boo
Oct 30 20:11:46 <egaudet_work> where does it look that?
Oct 30 20:12:17 * egaudet_work slaps egaudet_wIRCd
Oct 30 20:12:25 <egaudet_work> you just got wIRCd
Oct 30 20:12:51 <gkatsev> egaudet_work: lol, connected twice?
Oct 30 20:13:39 <egaudet_work> gkatsev, not me
Oct 30 20:13:41 <egaudet_work> that's puff
Oct 30 20:13:51 <egaudet_work> working on the wIRCd
Oct 30 20:13:56 <gkatsev> ah, lol
Oct 30 20:14:29 <gkatsev> i need to clean the back of my pre... dust gets in around the camera and speaker
Oct 30 20:14:36 <krustyjonez> so, actually, i am seeing java take ~ 10 % of the CPU periodically. is there something that periodically calls java ?
Oct 30 20:15:05 <jauderho> lunasysmgr runs on java
Oct 30 20:16:51 <PuffTheMagic> :D
Oct 30 20:16:58 <rwhitby> morning
Oct 30 20:17:06 <egaudet_work> there's that 300ms garbage collector too right?
Oct 30 20:17:12 <PuffTheMagic> rwhitby: there will be an IRC client by tonight :D
Oct 30 20:17:24 <egaudet_work> that I think is the cause of the hiccups/freezes seen from time to time
Oct 30 20:17:30 <egaudet_work> morning Rod
Oct 30 20:20:30 <dBsooner-work> morning rwhitby
Oct 30 20:21:15 <dBsooner-work> rwhitby: can you try to setup a meeting with Jason, AnOutsider and the WebOS-Internals gang (Eric, you and Me really.)
Oct 30 20:21:17 <rwhitby> I'm here for 10 mins only.
Oct 30 20:21:24 <dBsooner-work> lol.. It's SATURDAY
Oct 30 20:21:30 <dBsooner-work> halloween!
Oct 30 20:21:43 <rwhitby> yeah, kids have a higher priority than hobby.
Oct 30 20:22:07 <dBsooner-work> yup
Oct 30 20:22:12 <dBsooner-work> that's how my night will be tomorrow
Oct 30 20:26:01 * rwhitby bbl
Oct 30 20:42:37 <PuffTheMagic_wIR> rwhitby how dare you ingnore irc client news
Oct 30 20:42:45 <egaudet_work> oilsworkn, how about changing "other" to "misc"
Oct 30 20:42:54 <oilsworkn> aye?
Oct 30 20:42:57 <egaudet_work> and making it default not hidden
Oct 30 20:43:06 <egaudet_work> "Available Other"
Oct 30 20:43:13 <egaudet_work> "Available Miscellaneous"
Oct 30 20:43:56 <oilsworkn> if it doesn't default to hidden it screws the "non-scrolling first scene" thing
Oct 30 20:44:06 <egaudet_work> what is that?
Oct 30 20:44:16 <ni|> hello
Oct 30 20:44:32 <oilsworkn> that we don't want hte first scene to scroll
Oct 30 20:44:48 <egaudet_work> I have mine not hidden and it doesn't scroll
Oct 30 20:44:57 <egaudet_work> and it fits
Oct 30 20:44:59 <egaudet_work> and it's fine
Oct 30 20:45:07 <oilsworkn> you have something else turned off?
Oct 30 20:45:40 <egaudet_work> it's just Other has 37 packages like EPR, Fair Dinkum etc... and seems people "can't" find them sometimes.  Probably not a big deal.
Oct 30 20:45:47 <egaudet_work> oh yea i have themes off, heh nvm
Oct 30 20:45:47 <PuffTheMagic> guys.... introducing ni| <--- soon to be pre hacker
Oct 30 20:46:21 <oilsworkn> egaudet_work: i think its an education thing
Oct 30 20:46:33 <oilsworkn> the new startup-scene as suggested by puff will hopefully fix that
Oct 30 20:46:48 <oilsworkn> by pointing out there are preferences and feed management
Oct 30 20:47:02 <oilsworkn> hell
Oct 30 20:47:04 <oilsworkn> even if it was there
Oct 30 20:47:10 <oilsworkn> they would still not look there
Oct 30 20:47:11 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 30 20:47:14 <oilsworkn> who are we kidding
Oct 30 20:47:16 <egaudet_work> I couldn't find stuff before I realized there was an other category
Oct 30 20:47:21 * ni| waves
Oct 30 20:47:28 <egaudet_work> I didn't know there was "other" at one point
Oct 30 20:47:39 <egaudet_work> and list of everything is obnoxious imo
Oct 30 20:47:59 <ni|> can i ask some of the devs the best way to get my hands on a GSM pre?
Oct 30 20:48:01 <ni|> i run att
Oct 30 20:48:06 <oilsworkn> why is it obnoxious?
Oct 30 20:48:15 <oilsworkn> i use it all the time
Oct 30 20:48:18 <egaudet_work> to me it is because I hate using keyboard
Oct 30 20:48:21 <ni|> most of my work is in kernels not in apps; however, i am a oss nut
Oct 30 20:48:51 <oilsworkn> brb, have to actually do some work at work
Oct 30 20:49:40 <gkatsev> ni|: import one from germany, get a sprint pre, switch the keyboard and use rwhitby's hack so the software knows its running qwerty now?
Oct 30 20:50:10 <ni|> sounds very expensive
Oct 30 20:50:19 <ni|> is this the only way (other than switch to sprint)
Oct 30 20:50:34 <gkatsev> yeah, you could always just not get the sprint pre
Oct 30 20:50:54 <ni|> just !get sprint pre?
Oct 30 20:50:55 <gkatsev> and then either use qwertz, or enable the hack and remember that the z is a y etc
Oct 30 20:50:56 * sportman waves to PuffTheMagic and sampson
Oct 30 20:50:57 <ni|> i don't get what you mean
Oct 30 20:51:06 <sportman> dam sprints evdo is snappy
Oct 30 20:51:13 <PuffTheMagic> ni|: if u are gonna shell out the dollars for a new gsm pre
Oct 30 20:51:13 <sportman> yay 1.3mbps
Oct 30 20:51:22 <ni|> i don't care about the keyboard i'll be able to use whatever so long as its querty
Oct 30 20:51:23 <PuffTheMagic> u can get a broken/dead cdma pre
Oct 30 20:51:25 <PuffTheMagic> for cheap
Oct 30 20:51:30 <PuffTheMagic> just to do the keyboard swap
Oct 30 20:51:40 <ni|> well i'll do that after i get money
Oct 30 20:51:45 <ni|> first thing is to just get this imported pre
Oct 30 20:51:48 <ni|> and where are people doing this?
Oct 30 20:51:52 <PuffTheMagic> ni|: thats the point... its not gonna be qwerty
Oct 30 20:51:54 <ni|> i'm going to work with the sdk for now
Oct 30 20:52:06 <ni|> PuffTheMagic: yes i understand, but i'll be able to figure it out
Oct 30 20:52:13 <ni|> if the qwerty hack is in place
Oct 30 20:52:13 <gkatsev> ni|: germany is the only unlocked gsm pre atm
Oct 30 20:52:31 <ni|> gkatsev: and what is the average price of importa nd price
Oct 30 20:53:12 <gkatsev> um... im guessing its like 500 euros for the full price and then however much it costs to have it shipped. much easier if you know someone from germany.
Oct 30 20:53:48 <PuffTheMagic> ni|: u know meka/milobit/zxy ;)
Oct 30 20:53:48 <ni|> yes
Oct 30 20:53:53 <ni|> haha yes i do
Oct 30 20:53:59 <ni|> so basically this is going to cost me 1000
Oct 30 20:54:04 <PuffTheMagic> lol
Oct 30 20:54:11 <gkatsev> something like that
Oct 30 20:54:12 <PuffTheMagic> thats pretty retarded
Oct 30 20:54:26 <gkatsev> well, 500 eu is more like $800, but close enough
Oct 30 20:54:32 <PuffTheMagic> that is like the price of a year of sprint service
Oct 30 20:54:37 <PuffTheMagic> with full data/text plan
Oct 30 20:54:42 <ni|> lol
Oct 30 20:54:46 <PuffTheMagic> why would u do that
Oct 30 20:54:50 <PuffTheMagic> just get sprint
Oct 30 20:54:53 <gkatsev> some people really like gsm?
Oct 30 20:54:54 <PuffTheMagic> and get the phone for 100
Oct 30 20:54:57 <ni|> i really like gsm
Oct 30 20:55:12 <PuffTheMagic> well i dont think u can have ytour cake and eat it too here
Oct 30 20:55:15 <gkatsev> ni|: how *much* do you like gsm?
Oct 30 20:55:15 <PuffTheMagic> not yet at least
Oct 30 20:55:25 <ni|> gkatsev: well we will just have to see now wont we :)
Oct 30 20:55:32 <ni|> well thanks for the information
Oct 30 20:55:44 <ni|> i'll be thining about it and coding some stuff with PuffTheMagic as i go on the sdk
Oct 30 20:55:55 <sportman> ni| where are you from?
Oct 30 20:55:57 <ni|> i have an oktoberfest thing to go to and meet with my gf and a kernel locking scheme presentation
Oct 30 20:56:04 <ni|> sportman: massachusetts
Oct 30 20:56:05 <sportman> does the unlocked gsm pre work on att or something?
Oct 30 20:56:09 <ni|> sportman: yes
Oct 30 20:56:11 <ni|> on att
Oct 30 20:56:18 <sportman> ah ok thats semi understandable
Oct 30 20:56:20 <sportman> may be pricey
Oct 30 20:56:46 <PuffTheMagic> i guess if you like paying out the ass then sure go gsm
Oct 30 20:58:16 <PuffTheMagic_wIR> gsm ftl
Oct 30 20:58:30 <sportman> ni| i rock it out in RI for college
Oct 30 20:58:33 <sportman> not too far from mass
Oct 30 20:58:44 * sportman personally is excited for LET
Oct 30 20:58:46 <PuffTheMagic_wIR> dont you all wish you had irc on pre like me
Oct 30 20:58:46 <sportman> *LTE
Oct 30 20:58:52 <ni|> ah ok
Oct 30 20:58:58 <ni|> thats cool :)
Oct 30 20:59:01 <sportman> PuffTheMagic what app are you using?
Oct 30 20:59:04 <sportman> terminal with irssi?
Oct 30 20:59:08 <PuffTheMagic> sportman: wIRCd
Oct 30 20:59:14 <PuffTheMagic> sportman: wIRCd + luna-send
Oct 30 20:59:24 <sportman> PuffTheMagic_wIR is it on preware yet?
Oct 30 20:59:29 <sportman> or available for download?
Oct 30 20:59:34 <ni|> im excited to work on things
Oct 30 20:59:42 <PuffTheMagic> sportman: not yet, waiting for oil to get home from work so that we can tie the service into the gui
Oct 30 20:59:42 <ni|> how is the default kernel?
Oct 30 20:59:46 <PuffTheMagic> then there will be betas
Oct 30 20:59:50 <PuffTheMagic> ni|: terible
Oct 30 20:59:56 <sportman> PuffTheMagic ill test :D
Oct 30 20:59:57 <PuffTheMagic> ni|: we can tallk all about that later :D
Oct 30 21:00:06 <ni|> well there is my niche
Oct 30 21:00:09 <sportman> and ni| what part of Mass?
Oct 30 21:00:11 <PuffTheMagic> sportman: there are about 1000000 people waitint to test
Oct 30 21:00:28 <sportman> good just ad me :)
Oct 30 21:00:42 <sportman> i have been tethering for like 3 hours straight
Oct 30 21:00:42 <sportman> lol
Oct 30 21:00:42 <PuffTheMagic> there will be ipks on preyourmind feed soon enough
Oct 30 21:00:57 <egaudet_work> commute time
Oct 30 21:01:02 <PuffTheMagic> dinner time
Oct 30 21:01:04 <PuffTheMagic> bbl
Oct 30 21:01:16 <ni|> 25 cents per time you say preyourmind i own that ip fool
Oct 30 21:01:23 <sportman> whats preyourmind?
Oct 30 21:01:29 <PuffTheMagic> sportman: are u serious
Oct 30 21:01:38 * sportman has been gone for like a month
Oct 30 21:01:40 <PuffTheMagic> oh
Oct 30 21:01:44 <sportman> like gone from the webos scene
Oct 30 21:01:58 <PuffTheMagic> sportman: a opensource pre dev hosting site
Oct 30 21:02:05 <sportman> nice
Oct 30 21:02:09 <PuffTheMagic> with dynamic feed generation
Oct 30 21:02:10 <sportman> can i add the feed to preware
Oct 30 21:02:16 <PuffTheMagic> sportman: its in there by defauly
Oct 30 21:02:20 <sportman> ah ok
Oct 30 21:02:20 <sportman> good
Oct 30 21:02:35 <sportman> when did they take mytether out of preware?
Oct 30 21:04:03 <ni|> bbiab
Oct 30 21:04:03 <PuffTheMagic> sportman: dont worry
Oct 30 21:04:08 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 30 21:04:12 <PuffTheMagic> sportman: im releasing freeTether shortly
Oct 30 21:04:29 <ni|> PuffTheMagic: carry on via sms on this conversation after dinner
Oct 30 21:04:47 <PuffTheMagic> i can sms durring dinner :D
Oct 30 21:05:06 <sportman> PuffTheMagic sweet
Oct 30 21:05:12 <sportman> my tether isnt that good anymore
Oct 30 21:05:16 <sportman> cant get the wifi portion working
Oct 30 21:05:22 <sportman> im doing it via usb at the moment
Oct 30 21:06:33 <oilsworkn> you mean... you have to tether your phone to tether?
Oct 30 21:06:48 <sportman> yea
Oct 30 21:06:48 <sportman> :-p
Oct 30 21:06:51 <sportman> hahaha
Oct 30 21:06:52 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 30 21:07:02 <oilsworkn> unacceptable!
Oct 30 21:08:19 <oilsworkn> while i like music player remix
Oct 30 21:08:26 <oilsworkn> and use it over the default
Oct 30 21:08:43 <oilsworkn> calling it the most popular homebrew app because of download count is lame
Oct 30 21:08:58 <oilsworkn> considering it gets an update that everyone who uses it downloads like 3 times a week
Oct 30 21:10:12 <sportman> i havent used that app yet
Oct 30 21:10:19 <sportman> whats the main diff between that and the original app?
Oct 30 21:10:45 <oilsworkn> lots of changes
Oct 30 21:10:51 <oilsworkn> its a lot nicer then the defaulkt
Oct 30 21:10:53 <oilsworkn> default*
Oct 30 21:11:27 <oilsworkn> he basically took the stock music app and added a bunch to it
Oct 30 21:16:08 * bhuey was impressed with quality of the homebrew apps last night
Oct 30 21:18:38 <sportman> nice
Oct 30 21:18:51 <sportman> alright
Oct 30 21:19:03 <sportman> :-p, gotta run bbl
Oct 30 21:21:30 <oilsworkn> so i was setting up email on an iphone earlier, and kept trying to back-gesture
Oct 30 21:26:41 <Mousey> WOAH!!!
Oct 30 21:26:42 <Mousey> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd_matthew_tippett&num=1
Oct 30 21:26:55 <Mousey> yes.. it's an ATI/AMD article, but look where he's GOING!
Oct 30 21:27:21 <swisstomcat> yeah, noticed that too and sent a note to precentral
Oct 30 21:28:47 <Mousey> wowzeh
Oct 30 21:28:59 <Mousey> take THAT google
Oct 30 21:29:00 <Mousey> =P
Oct 30 21:29:02 <oilsworkn> freakout is going to send you pics of him in short shorts if you tell precentral
Oct 30 21:30:38 <swisstomcat> did anyone see the current job postings at palm .. crazy!
Oct 30 21:31:44 <oilsworkn> what, all 100+ of them?
Oct 30 21:32:12 <swisstomcat> i guess one less now
Oct 30 21:34:33 <swisstomcat> question: how do you transfer files from the emulator to the PC? sftp?
Oct 30 21:34:54 <swisstomcat> for example i want to look at the palm calendar application
Oct 30 21:34:59 <sugardave> swisstomcat: scp
Oct 30 21:35:35 <swisstomcat> what client is recommended?
Oct 30 21:36:00 <swisstomcat> (guess i could try command-line scp ...)
Oct 30 21:36:04 <sugardave> I use winscp for Windows, and just 'scp' command line in Linux
Oct 30 21:37:24 <swisstomcat> thx
Oct 30 21:37:47 <oilsworkn> or you could just extract the doctor and get it that way
Oct 30 21:38:08 <swisstomcat> oh
Oct 30 21:40:05 <swisstomcat> found it in the doctor ...
Oct 30 21:41:37 <PuffTheMagic> Mousey: really, a phoronix link
Oct 30 21:41:43 <PuffTheMagic> never expected that in this channel
Oct 30 21:41:50 <Mousey> lol linux hardware
Oct 30 21:44:06 <PuffTheMagic> Mousey: lol didnt expext a webos twist in that story
Oct 30 21:44:43 <Mousey> PuffTheMagic: i ROCK
Oct 30 21:44:47 <Mousey> ^_^
Oct 30 21:45:26 <swisstomcat> thanks for the help .. TTYL
Oct 30 21:45:41 <swisstomcat> i'm off dissecting the calendar code :)
Oct 30 21:46:09 <swisstomcat> oh, another swiss person ...
Oct 30 21:46:34 <Guest70309> yes
Oct 30 21:46:41 <oilsworkn> so i went looking for a boss to tell i had a dentist appointment, and there is nobody here
Oct 30 21:46:58 <oilsworkn> my boss doesn't work on fridays, the office manager is gone, the president is on vacation
Oct 30 21:47:33 <oilsworkn> maybe ill just leave, lol
Oct 30 21:47:47 <swisstomcat> another swiss pre hacker, reto?
Oct 30 21:48:06 <Guest70309> not really
Oct 30 21:48:42 <Guest70309> i was not able to install anything on my pre
Oct 30 21:49:08 <oilsworkn> aww
Oct 30 21:49:13 * Mousey cries
Oct 30 21:49:51 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn: isnt the day almost over for you?
Oct 30 21:49:58 <oilsworkn> its 3
Oct 30 21:50:01 <oilsworkn> er, almost 3
Oct 30 21:50:15 <swisstomcat> guest70309: relaborate ...
Oct 30 21:50:18 <swisstomcat> elaborate
Oct 30 21:50:22 <oilsworkn> and i gotta go to the bank and stuff
Oct 30 21:51:08 <Wovvbagger> How could I add a new feed within preware?
Oct 30 21:51:16 <oilsworkn> from the command line
Oct 30 21:51:27 <oilsworkn> so, you can't within preware
Oct 30 21:51:36 <oilsworkn> not till someone fixes up the service
Oct 30 21:51:42 <swisstomcat> guest: what's the problem?
Oct 30 21:52:10 <Guest70309> does anybody know why i have no internet connection while i have the command line of my palm pre open?
Oct 30 21:52:40 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn: may as well say
Oct 30 21:52:43 <Wovvbagger> So the form at options...feeds isn't usebale to add a feed?
Oct 30 21:52:49 <PuffTheMagic> unless u can leave and not use a desntist excuse
Oct 30 21:53:07 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 30 21:53:22 <oilsworkn> ill definitely still be leaving early
Oct 30 21:53:26 <oilsworkn> like a half hour or something
Oct 30 21:53:29 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 30 21:53:33 <swisstomcat> guest: "the command line" .. which one? did u install one or are you using webos quickinstall?
Oct 30 21:53:45 <PuffTheMagic> someone should post on precentral saying an irc client is near
Oct 30 21:53:50 <PuffTheMagic> seed some interest
Oct 30 21:54:06 <Templarian> There is?
Oct 30 21:54:33 <Guest70309> i used the usb and the novacom.exe
Oct 30 21:54:47 <oilsworkn> once we get a partially working beta, we could just stick it in the feed, people will see it
Oct 30 21:54:53 <PuffTheMagic> Templarian: tonight
Oct 30 21:55:50 <Templarian> PuffTheMagic: Service based app?
Oct 30 21:55:55 <PuffTheMagic> yup
Oct 30 21:56:08 <oilsworkn> as if we would do it web based xD
Oct 30 21:56:25 <Templarian> Dang, so it logs off and on when ever the device is toggled on and off?
Oct 30 21:56:48 <oilsworkn> we'll keep it awake
Oct 30 21:57:00 <PuffTheMagic> Templarian: could be an option
Oct 30 21:57:09 <PuffTheMagic> lots of stuff is in the air
Oct 30 21:57:23 <oilsworkn> step 1 is to get the gui and service playing nicely
Oct 30 21:57:26 <oilsworkn> then add to it
Oct 30 21:57:51 <Guest70309> i will install optare with the optware-bootstrap.sh
Oct 30 21:57:59 <Templarian> Sounds good guys. Yea definately need a keep awake x minutes option.
Oct 30 21:58:14 <oilsworkn> Templarian: i already do something like that in preware
Oct 30 21:58:20 <oilsworkn> when updating feeds/installing
Oct 30 21:58:31 <oilsworkn> it keeps services awake in the background even if the screen turns off
Oct 30 21:58:36 <oilsworkn> but it maxes out at 15 mins
Oct 30 21:58:50 <oilsworkn> i could always throw down a timer and restart it after 15 mins
Oct 30 21:58:54 <Guest70309> ok i will look for preware
Oct 30 21:59:08 <PuffTheMagic__> Templarian: this message is sent from the wIRCd service
Oct 30 21:59:40 <Templarian> Nice, should be nice either way. I'll wait till a web based version.
Oct 30 21:59:44 <PuffTheMagic__> Templarian: running on a pre
Oct 30 21:59:57 <PuffTheMagic> Templarian: webbased?
Oct 30 22:00:09 <PuffTheMagic> what do you mean?
Oct 30 22:00:21 <Templarian> Yea, I would like one that doesn't have to keep the Pre on to get messages and stay logged in.
Oct 30 22:00:50 <PuffTheMagic> Templarian: how exactly do you think that will be accomplished?
Oct 30 22:00:53 <PuffTheMagic> Templarian: besides using quassel
Oct 30 22:00:59 <PuffTheMagic> or irssi + screen
Oct 30 22:01:20 <Templarian> Using some side outside server and or server application.
Oct 30 22:01:34 <PuffTheMagic> Templarian: quassel can do that
Oct 30 22:01:42 <PuffTheMagic> i wanted to make a quassel webos client
Oct 30 22:01:50 <PuffTheMagic> but more people will use this than a quassel client
Oct 30 22:01:53 <Doc_exe> i am using quassel right now
Oct 30 22:01:58 <PuffTheMagic> me too
Oct 30 22:02:02 <Doc_exe> works great
Oct 30 22:02:06 <PuffTheMagic> but quassel is all qt
Oct 30 22:02:19 <PuffTheMagic> so i would have to make a quassel client that exports all the IPC shit as json over http
Oct 30 22:02:27 <PuffTheMagic> and someone would have to run that client on a server
Oct 30 22:02:33 <Doc_exe> ahhh
Oct 30 22:02:33 <PuffTheMagic> then i could make a mojo app talk to it
Oct 30 22:02:42 <PuffTheMagic> there is no wayt o just use quassel as is
Oct 30 22:02:49 <PuffTheMagic> i've talked to the devs a few times
Oct 30 22:03:02 <PuffTheMagic> i think i've sparked some interest in switching to a non qt IPC
Oct 30 22:03:12 <Doc_exe> that would be helpful :)
Oct 30 22:03:13 <PuffTheMagic> but i dont think anyone is doing anything about it
Oct 30 22:03:51 * freakout sends Mousey pics of him in short shorts
Oct 30 22:04:05 * oilsworkn knew it!
Oct 30 22:04:07 <freakout> oilsworkn: glad you pinged me
Oct 30 22:04:13 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 30 22:04:16 <Mousey> ooo
Oct 30 22:04:16 * freakout is writing his draft now
Oct 30 22:04:28 * oilsworkn already sees story on pc
Oct 30 22:04:34 <freakout> what??
Oct 30 22:04:36 <freakout> fuck
Oct 30 22:04:38 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 30 22:04:44 <oilsworkn> freakout is too easy
Oct 30 22:04:54 <freakout> oilsworkn is EVIL
Oct 30 22:05:23 <freakout> i love waking up to stories that aren't on PC yet
Oct 30 22:05:28 <freakout> they're on freaking crack lately
Oct 30 22:05:49 * freakout is only one man with a real job already, in the wrong timezone. Can't keep up!
Oct 30 22:06:10 <oilsworkn> pic doesn't have other writers who <3 the pre?
Oct 30 22:06:17 <freakout> lol
Oct 30 22:06:38 <freakout> Ryan has grown to love his, but i dunno what he's doing half the time
Oct 30 22:06:47 <freakout> and Kris is on Verizon and Will. Not. Budge.
Oct 30 22:07:10 <PuffTheMagic> freakout: me or another Ryan?
Oct 30 22:07:19 <freakout> PuffTheMagic: you're Ryan?
Oct 30 22:07:40 <freakout> PuffTheMagic: Ryan the dude who started palminfocenter in '99
Oct 30 22:08:02 <oilsworkn> freakout: when we have a working wIRC beta you can be the first to post it
Oct 30 22:08:12 <oilsworkn> precentral doesn't care about irc anyways
Oct 30 22:08:18 <freakout> oilsworkn, should I hug you?
Oct 30 22:08:24 <oilsworkn> are you wearing pants?
Oct 30 22:08:29 <freakout> lol
Oct 30 22:08:31 <freakout> no, wait!
Oct 30 22:08:35 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 30 22:08:42 <freakout> i'll show you the pic of my halloween costume from last night
Oct 30 22:08:45 <egaudet> is wIRC going to default to join webos-internals?
Oct 30 22:08:53 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 30 22:08:53 <egaudet> :P
Oct 30 22:08:56 <Templarian> Precentral cares... especiall since Palm just started incouraging devs use it.
Oct 30 22:08:58 <oilsworkn> probably not at first
Oct 30 22:08:59 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: i think so
Oct 30 22:09:14 <oilsworkn> at first, itl be going to the status window and typing /join blarg
Oct 30 22:09:29 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn: no way
Oct 30 22:09:52 <PuffTheMagic> there are 2 ways we can do this
Oct 30 22:10:02 <PuffTheMagic> 1. i can hardcode it into the service :D <- evil
Oct 30 22:10:21 <egaudet> PuffTheMagic,  you broke wIRCd repo
Oct 30 22:10:27 <egaudet> ERROR:gitosis.serve.main:Repository read access denied
Oct 30 22:10:33 <PuffTheMagic> 2. we can have a "perform on join" list of commands that get executed after connecting
Oct 30 22:10:37 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: yeah i know
Oct 30 22:10:38 <oilsworkn> did you not see where i said "probably not at first"?
Oct 30 22:10:45 <oilsworkn> i do plan an after connect command list
Oct 30 22:10:47 <PuffTheMagic> no at first
Oct 30 22:11:01 <PuffTheMagic> beta will have "perform on connect" list ;)
Oct 30 22:11:05 <oilsworkn> step 1 is getting the damn thing to work
Oct 30 22:11:17 <oilsworkn> after that, everything is easy
Oct 30 22:11:41 <PuffTheMagic> well it should take you like 10 min to get this work :D
Oct 30 22:11:46 <PuffTheMagic> s/work/working/
Oct 30 22:11:46 <infobot> PuffTheMagic meant: well it should take you like 10 min to get this working :D
Oct 30 22:11:47 <oilsworkn> lets hope so
Oct 30 22:11:59 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: you broke it
Oct 30 22:12:08 <oilsworkn> doing it on my pre will certainly slow it down :)
Oct 30 22:12:19 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn: oh shut up
Oct 30 22:12:22 <PuffTheMagic> learn to scp
Oct 30 22:12:22 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 30 22:12:24 <PuffTheMagic> and ssh
Oct 30 22:12:32 <PuffTheMagic> damn windows users
Oct 30 22:12:47 <oilsworkn> the emu is on all platforms
Oct 30 22:12:49 <egaudet> how did I break it!
Oct 30 22:12:57 <oilsworkn> i prefer to develop in the emu
Oct 30 22:13:01 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: cloning
Oct 30 22:13:04 <oilsworkn> and later test on my phone
Oct 30 22:13:12 <egaudet> pfffft
Oct 30 22:13:28 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn: for me to have to maintain 2 dev userlands makes my work 2x has hard
Oct 30 22:13:41 <PuffTheMagic> it only makes yours .1x harder using the pre
Oct 30 22:13:55 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 30 22:14:25 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: the server is in germany and its like early saturday morning
Oct 30 22:14:33 <PuffTheMagic> so  wont get in contact with them for a few hours
Oct 30 22:15:03 <PuffTheMagic> unless i can make a new tmp repo on pym
Oct 30 22:15:04 <egaudet> damnit
Oct 30 22:15:10 <PuffTheMagic> lets see if that works
Oct 30 22:15:28 * oilsworkn sees last push as 7 hours ago
Oct 30 22:17:05 <PuffTheMagic> yeah of course you would
Oct 30 22:17:15 <PuffTheMagic> moving to webos-internals termporarily
Oct 30 22:17:23 <oilsworkn> ah
Oct 30 22:17:39 <PuffTheMagic> but there will be no gitweb
Oct 30 22:17:53 <PuffTheMagic> cause rwhitby wont add apache to the git group
Oct 30 22:18:08 <PuffTheMagic> he likes to manually configure permissions every time someone make s a ewpo
Oct 30 22:18:09 <PuffTheMagic> repo
Oct 30 22:20:28 <dBsooner-work> egaudet: don't swear.. you said you were going to work on image replacement first. :D
Oct 30 22:21:09 <oilsworkn> "damnit" is swearing?
Oct 30 22:21:18 <sugardave> no, it's "dammit"
Oct 30 22:21:31 <egaudet> no i didn't and there's nothing left to work on
Oct 30 22:21:38 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: edit .git/config and change the url to this: ssh://git@webos-internals.org/tmp/wIRCd.git
Oct 30 22:21:43 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn: same for u
Oct 30 22:21:51 <PuffTheMagic> but for wIRC use ssh://git@webos-internals.org/tmp/wIRC.git
Oct 30 22:22:16 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn: u will need to 'git push origin master'
Oct 30 22:22:32 <oilsworkn> whats wrong with pym?
Oct 30 22:22:55 <PuffTheMagic> some directories got moved around and i no long have root access on the server so i need to wait for the admins to get back
Oct 30 22:23:01 <PuffTheMagic> but they are in germany and its friday night
Oct 30 22:23:07 <PuffTheMagic> well prob sat morning now
Oct 30 22:23:18 <PuffTheMagic> so i cant get them to fix shit yet
Oct 30 22:23:33 <PuffTheMagic> so this is just termporary
Oct 30 22:23:51 <PuffTheMagic> i think there is a broken symlink and bad perms
Oct 30 22:24:34 <egaudet> booooo
Oct 30 22:24:44 <PuffTheMagic> but it was working today
Oct 30 22:24:47 <PuffTheMagic> i made 3 commits
Oct 30 22:24:51 <PuffTheMagic> then it stopped working
Oct 30 22:24:56 <PuffTheMagic> idk wtf happened
Oct 30 22:26:01 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn: GO HOME!
Oct 30 22:26:03 <PuffTheMagic> hurry up
Oct 30 22:26:33 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 30 22:27:04 <Mousey> no playing quicktime?
Oct 30 22:29:50 <egaudet> palm-install: FAILED_NOT_ENOUGH_INSTALL_SPACE
Oct 30 22:30:33 <oilsworkn> what are you palm-installing?
Oct 30 22:30:42 <egaudet> what does it matter
Oct 30 22:30:45 <egaudet> eh
Oct 30 22:30:48 <egaudet> ehhhh
Oct 30 22:30:53 <oilsworkn> you need fair dinkum?
Oct 30 22:30:56 <egaudet> wIRC
Oct 30 22:30:58 <egaudet> i have fair dinkum
Oct 30 22:30:59 <oilsworkn> need to delete some crap?
Oct 30 22:31:04 <egaudet> im below 100MB free on /var though
Oct 30 22:31:08 <egaudet> stupid piece o junk
Oct 30 22:33:55 <PuffTheMagic__> haha
Oct 30 22:34:07 <PuffTheMagic__> ^^ from pre
Oct 30 22:34:27 <PuffTheMagic> luna-send -P -n 1 palm://us.ryanhope.wIRCd/client_cmd_msg {\"sessionToken\":\"1.277.2\",\"nch\":\"#webos-internals\",\"text\":\"^^\ from\ pre\"}
Oct 30 22:34:41 <PuffTheMagic> :D
Oct 30 22:34:52 <egaudet> what's new?
Oct 30 22:34:54 <egaudet> I don't get it
Oct 30 22:35:01 <PuffTheMagic> dont get what?
Oct 30 22:35:01 <oilsworkn> whats with escaping the spaces?
Oct 30 22:35:12 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn: nfc
Oct 30 22:35:17 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn: i think its a luna send thing
Oct 30 22:35:23 <oilsworkn> hm
Oct 30 22:35:26 <PuffTheMagic> i hope
Oct 30 22:35:31 <oilsworkn> but its in quotes, idk why it would matter
Oct 30 22:35:37 <PuffTheMagic> if i dont
Oct 30 22:35:40 <PuffTheMagic> it just sits there
Oct 30 22:35:43 <oilsworkn> huh
Oct 30 22:35:50 <PuffTheMagic> maybe something in my service is wonky
Oct 30 22:35:52 <PuffTheMagic> idk
Oct 30 22:36:47 <egaudet> PuffTheMagic, what is new from that than earlier today
Oct 30 22:38:11 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: i've added support for just about everything except dcc and raw commands
Oct 30 22:38:52 <PuffTheMagic> and no ctcp shit yet
Oct 30 22:39:24 <PuffTheMagic> there are a couple misc function i can implement still
Oct 30 22:39:27 <PuffTheMagic> like nick parsing
Oct 30 22:39:31 <PuffTheMagic> and mirc color stripping
Oct 30 22:41:56 <PuffTheMagic> and i still need to connect a bunch of callbacks
Oct 30 22:47:29 <Mousey> Puff the Magic underscore
Oct 30 22:47:46 <Mousey> lived by the 0 key
Oct 30 22:48:04 * Mousey forgets the words
Oct 30 22:48:11 <oilsworkn> i was like "what? its on the other side of the keypad"
Oct 30 22:48:16 <oilsworkn> then realized you were talking the ones up top
Oct 30 22:48:49 <Mousey> lol, guess i shoulda specified us101
Oct 30 22:49:22 <PuffTheMagic> lalalallalala test
Oct 30 22:49:34 <oilsworkn> "Webosdev wants to share some files with you using a new technology called Dropbox."
Oct 30 22:49:34 <oilsworkn> ohh
Oct 30 22:49:40 <egaudet> luna-send -P -n 1 palm://us.ryanhope.wIRCd/client_connect {"server":"freenode.net"}
Oct 30 22:49:59 <PuffTheMagic> ** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, {"sessionToken":"1.290.2","event":"PRIVMSG","origin":"oilsworkn!i=d80733be@gateway/web/freenode/x-jczoyeygevtxaldd","params":["#webos-internals",""Webosdev wants to share some files with you using a new technology called Dropbox.""]}
Oct 30 22:49:59 <PuffTheMagic> ** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, {"sessionToken":"1.290.2","event":"PRIVMSG","origin":"oilsworkn!i=d80733be@gateway/web/freenode/x-jczoyeygevtxaldd","params":["#webos-internals","ohh"]}
Oct 30 22:50:07 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: wrong
Oct 30 22:50:16 <PuffTheMagic> u need at minimum server and nick to connect
Oct 30 22:50:18 <PuffTheMagic> and also
Oct 30 22:50:25 <PuffTheMagic> use s/-n 1 /-i/
Oct 30 22:50:32 <PuffTheMagic> cause connect is a subscription
Oct 30 22:50:33 <oilsworkn> oh, 1.3.1 SDK
Oct 30 22:50:44 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn: :D
Oct 30 22:50:56 <oilsworkn> too bad ill be developing wirc only on the pre
Oct 30 22:50:58 <oilsworkn> xD
Oct 30 22:51:00 <zsoc> zomg who hacked my irc
Oct 30 22:51:40 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn: all u need to do is scp -r and a rescan :D
Oct 30 22:51:40 <egaudet> why use -i
Oct 30 22:51:48 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: cause its a subscription
Oct 30 22:51:53 <PuffTheMagic> -i is interactive
Oct 30 22:52:02 <PuffTheMagic> its like "-n infinity"
Oct 30 22:52:11 <egaudet> why am I getting server missing
Oct 30 22:52:22 <oilsworkn> irc.freenode.net?
Oct 30 22:52:38 <freakout> ahhhhh
Oct 30 22:52:39 <freakout> http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/9972/palm-hires-amd-ati-linux-core-engineer/
Oct 30 22:52:39 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: you need to use \"server\"
Oct 30 22:52:41 <PuffTheMagic> with C services
Oct 30 22:52:43 * freakout sighs with satisfaction
Oct 30 22:52:48 <PuffTheMagic> mjson is picky
Oct 30 22:52:51 <egaudet> *** glibc detected *** ./wIRCd: free(): invalid pointer: 0x0001a3d8 ***
Oct 30 22:53:08 <PuffTheMagic> freakout: too late
Oct 30 22:53:11 <PuffTheMagic> freakout: that was already posted
Oct 30 22:53:13 <freakout> what?
Oct 30 22:53:16 <freakout> what??
Oct 30 22:53:21 <PuffTheMagic> freakout: Mousey posted it
Oct 30 22:53:24 <oilsworkn> LOL
Oct 30 22:53:28 <freakout> ohhh
Oct 30 22:53:29 <freakout> no
Oct 30 22:53:31 <Mousey> huh?
Oct 30 22:53:33 <oilsworkn> twice?
Oct 30 22:53:38 <freakout> I beat the PreCentral front page PuffTheMagic
Oct 30 22:53:39 <egaudet> PuffTheMagic, when I do -i now I gotta open a new window to continue running commands
Oct 30 22:53:47 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: luna-send -P -i palm://us.ryanhope.wIRCd/client_connect {\"server\":\"irc.freenode.net\",\"nick\":\"PuffTheMagic__\"}
Oct 30 22:53:52 <Mousey> i only pasted it in here, i didn't (think to) post it
Oct 30 22:54:01 <freakout> Mousey, and I love you for it
Oct 30 22:54:03 <PuffTheMagic> Mousey: f' precentral
Oct 30 22:54:18 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 30 22:54:19 <egaudet> I just want to say I hate json.  anyway
Oct 30 22:54:28 <oilsworkn> pic wins this battle
Oct 30 22:54:32 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: or u could do luna-send -P -i palm://us.ryanhope.wIRCd/client_connect {\"server\":\"irc.freenode.net\",\"nick\":\"PuffTheMagic__\"}&
Oct 30 22:54:35 <PuffTheMagic> and backghround it
Oct 30 22:54:42 <PuffTheMagic> or press Ctrl+z then type bg
Oct 30 22:54:47 <PuffTheMagic> or just open a new term
Oct 30 22:55:26 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: and yeah, i am probably freeing shit i shouldnt
Oct 30 22:55:31 <PuffTheMagic> and not freeing shit i should
Oct 30 22:55:40 <oilsworkn> and needing spaces to be escaped
Oct 30 22:56:11 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn: i dont know that that is my fault
Oct 30 22:56:21 <PuffTheMagic> i only have to do this stupid shit with luna-send
Oct 30 22:56:26 <PuffTheMagic> luna-send is a POS
Oct 30 22:56:38 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 30 22:56:52 <PuffTheMagic> i should make a cross-platform version of luna-send in java that works
Oct 30 22:56:56 <PuffTheMagic> and is a gui
Oct 30 22:56:56 <oilsworkn> hey i said i could make a generic/configurable mojo app for testing services
Oct 30 22:56:58 <egaudet> should i do -i for client_cmd_join
Oct 30 22:57:05 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn: s/mojo/java/
Oct 30 22:57:12 <PuffTheMagic> errr
Oct 30 22:57:19 <PuffTheMagic> nm about that
Oct 30 22:57:20 <PuffTheMagic> ;)
Oct 30 22:57:33 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: no
Oct 30 22:57:39 <oilsworkn> ok
Oct 30 22:57:44 <PuffTheMagic> use -n 1 for everything but connect
Oct 30 22:57:45 <oilsworkn> im goin to the bank then home
Oct 30 22:57:48 <PuffTheMagic> which uses -i
Oct 30 22:57:50 <oilsworkn> there is seriously nobody here
Oct 30 22:57:54 <PuffTheMagic> haha
Oct 30 22:57:57 <oilsworkn> just one recptionist
Oct 30 22:57:58 <oilsworkn> thats it
Oct 30 22:57:59 <oilsworkn> her and me
Oct 30 22:58:00 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn: you rebel
Oct 30 22:58:02 <oilsworkn> lol
Oct 30 22:58:06 <zsoc> oilsworkn, do her
Oct 30 22:58:11 <oilsworkn> now there is nobody around to break anything that i would have to fix
Oct 30 22:58:13 <oilsworkn> ehh
Oct 30 22:58:14 <egaudet> eju vsm
Oct 30 22:58:15 <oilsworkn> shes like 60
Oct 30 22:58:21 <zsoc> NICE
Oct 30 22:58:22 <egaudet> whois egaudet_wirc
Oct 30 22:58:26 * oilsworkn is not into grannys
Oct 30 22:58:34 <egaudet> why can't I join
Oct 30 22:58:36 <oilsworkn> anyways
Oct 30 22:58:38 <oilsworkn> bbl
Oct 30 22:58:38 <freakout> oilsworkn, it's all the same in the dark
Oct 30 22:58:41 <freakout> wait
Oct 30 22:58:48 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: you have to pass the sessionToken
Oct 30 22:58:55 <egaudet> as key?
Oct 30 22:59:15 <PuffTheMagic> luna-send -P -n 1 palm://us.ryanhope.wIRCd/client_cmd_join {\"sessionToken\":\"1.287.2\",\"channel\":\"#webos-internals\"}
Oct 30 22:59:16 <egaudet> oh no I see
Oct 30 22:59:17 <PuffTheMagic> like that
Oct 30 22:59:38 <PuffTheMagic> oohhh!
Oct 30 22:59:39 <egaudet> padow!
Oct 30 22:59:42 <PuffTheMagic> haha
Oct 30 23:00:16 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: you should pull the latest version
Oct 30 23:00:23 <PuffTheMagic> i added support for channel messages
Oct 30 23:00:31 <egaudet> I pulled like 10 minutes ago
Oct 30 23:00:34 <egaudet> you recently push
Oct 30 23:00:45 * zsoc gasps
Oct 30 23:00:49 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: yes
Oct 30 23:00:51 <PuffTheMagic> i beleive so
Oct 30 23:01:18 <PuffTheMagic> zsoc: ** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, {"sessionToken":"1.290.2","event":"ACTION","origin":"zsoc!n=nghr@unaffiliated/zsoc","params":["#webos-internals","gasps"]}
Oct 30 23:01:21 <PuffTheMagic> ^^ thats you
Oct 30 23:01:43 <zsoc> I see :P
Oct 30 23:02:14 <egaudet> I might have to go out tonight
Oct 30 23:02:29 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: :(
Oct 30 23:02:41 <egaudet> I know PuffTheMagic but I forgot it's halloween
Oct 30 23:02:57 <egaudet> otherwise I'd ignore messages tonight
Oct 30 23:03:07 <egaudet> but I'll do something valuable before leaving
Oct 30 23:03:13 <egaudet> IF i leave
Oct 30 23:05:40 <lingfish> mornin
Oct 30 23:07:00 <PuffTheMagic> lingfish: what planet is it morning on
Oct 30 23:08:08 <lingfish> Planet Australia... I assume you're USian, and BIG SHOCK!  There are other countries and timezones ;)
Oct 30 23:08:42 <PuffTheMagic> lol BIG SHOCK
Oct 30 23:09:12 <lingfish> ;)
Oct 30 23:09:38 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic, did you just.. uh.. action.. echo?
Oct 30 23:09:38 <PuffTheMagic> of course our views are skewed.... our country is as big as 50 Eu countries
Oct 30 23:09:44 <lingfish> Hrm... WebOS doesn't seem to global search on calendar -- is that right?
Oct 30 23:10:12 <PuffTheMagic> lingfish: s/global search/hemishpere search/
Oct 30 23:10:25 <lingfish> lol
Oct 30 23:10:27 <lingfish> I mean for events :P
Oct 30 23:15:55 <zsoc> what's the command that allows me to check the licensing of a binary?
Oct 30 23:17:37 <PuffTheMagic> zsoc: i've never heard of such a command
Oct 30 23:18:01 <zsoc> er, i believe it's a utility actually
Oct 30 23:21:29 <zsoc> I think rod actually strips the log. I can't find something I _know_ was said in here
Oct 30 23:22:53 <PuffTheMagic> :)
Oct 30 23:23:15 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic, in theory i could use 'strings' and grep for common licensing terms?
Oct 30 23:23:38 <PuffTheMagic> no idea
Oct 30 23:24:19 <zsoc> right, you're not a linux guy :P
Oct 30 23:25:03 <PuffTheMagic> hmmm
Oct 30 23:25:21 <PuffTheMagic> i cant seem to get query's to work with wIRCd
Oct 30 23:25:34 <PuffTheMagic> i can send a /query from wIRCd
Oct 30 23:25:43 <PuffTheMagic> but i cant send one to it
Oct 30 23:25:45 <PuffTheMagic> well i can send it
Oct 30 23:25:48 <PuffTheMagic> i just dont see/get it
Oct 30 23:26:22 <zsoc> technically query opens a second, er.. 'window'.. sort of, like environment.
Oct 30 23:27:01 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic, did you try /msg as opposed to /query?
Oct 30 23:27:17 <PuffTheMagic> im dnot doing DCC shit yet
Oct 30 23:27:20 <PuffTheMagic> i was /query to work
Oct 30 23:27:29 <PuffTheMagic> s/was/want/
Oct 30 23:27:30 <infobot> PuffTheMagic meant: i want /query to work
Oct 30 23:28:01 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic, that's what i'm telling you
Oct 30 23:28:15 <PuffTheMagic> no you are telling me to use /msg which is not /query
Oct 30 23:28:24 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic, /query OPENS a "window"
Oct 30 23:28:31 <PuffTheMagic> no
Oct 30 23:28:38 <PuffTheMagic> a gui opens a window
Oct 30 23:28:52 <PuffTheMagic> there are no windows in a bash prompt
Oct 30 23:28:57 <zsoc> that's why the quotes
Oct 30 23:29:01 <zsoc> but it's a different environment
Oct 30 23:29:15 <zsoc> in fact, /msg is made to go to an existing /query environment, iirc
Oct 30 23:29:56 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic, are you trying to /query with no other arguments?
Oct 30 23:30:47 <PuffTheMagic> zsoc: :( ..... i've written 90% of a complete IRC service now, i know what im doing
Oct 30 23:31:06 * zsoc sighs
Oct 30 23:31:24 <PuffTheMagic> a callback is missing or something
Oct 30 23:32:02 <PuffTheMagic> zsoc: we have had plenty of conversations in query windows, i know how to do it properly
Oct 30 23:32:07 <PuffTheMagic> its now how i am sending the message
Oct 30 23:32:16 <PuffTheMagic> it has to do with the service not handing it properly
Oct 30 23:33:56 * zsoc wonders what an incoming /query looks like 
Oct 30 23:34:49 <egaudet> how does subscription work with callbacks in mojo
Oct 30 23:34:57 <egaudet> any examples of that around?
Oct 30 23:35:12 <PuffTheMagic> yeah preware has them
Oct 30 23:36:02 <egaudet> so if you subscribe, then the callback is continuously called?
Oct 30 23:36:14 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: yeah basically
Oct 30 23:36:19 <PuffTheMagic> zsoc: send query to PuffTheMagic__
Oct 30 23:36:24 <PuffTheMagic> if u dont think im doing it
Oct 30 23:36:55 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic, no i'm thinking what protocol it passes... isn't it like.. PRIVMSG
Oct 30 23:37:14 <PuffTheMagic> zsoc: yes its PRIVMSG but to a nick not a channel
Oct 30 23:37:27 <PuffTheMagic> which is why the same mechanism that lets me see channel messages should show a query
Oct 30 23:37:31 <PuffTheMagic> just with a different target
Oct 30 23:39:20 <zsoc> I'm not sure that's the expected functionality
Oct 30 23:39:39 <PuffTheMagic> ?
Oct 30 23:40:07 <zsoc> no you're right, sorry
Oct 30 23:40:08 <zsoc> odd
Oct 30 23:40:13 <zsoc> so it just doesn't get to you?
Oct 30 23:40:23 <PuffTheMagic> correct
Oct 30 23:40:25 <PuffTheMagic> i dont see it
Oct 30 23:40:27 <zsoc> but you can send them?
Oct 30 23:40:34 <PuffTheMagic> and i have all the callbacks registered now
Oct 30 23:40:41 <PuffTheMagic> so i "should" get it
Oct 30 23:40:45 <PuffTheMagic> zsoc: yeah i can send them
Oct 30 23:41:27 <PuffTheMagic> zsoc: u get that?
Oct 30 23:41:32 <zsoc> yep
Oct 30 23:41:37 <PuffTheMagic> i sent that using the wIRCd
Oct 30 23:41:45 <PuffTheMagic> now if you respond do it i wont see shit
Oct 30 23:42:01 <zsoc> could it be an error handling thing? Like do you have a hook for ERR_NOTEXTTOSEND or similar?
Oct 30 23:42:20 <zsoc> although that would be a send thing not a receive thing..
Oct 30 23:42:26 <dBsooner-work> Puff's name is Ryan Hope?
Oct 30 23:42:37 <PuffTheMagic> dBsooner-work: noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo?
Oct 30 23:42:42 <dBsooner-work> LIES~!
Oct 30 23:42:47 <dBsooner-work> us.ryanhome.
Oct 30 23:42:56 <PuffTheMagic> ryanhome
Oct 30 23:42:59 <PuffTheMagic> yes thats right
Oct 30 23:43:00 <dBsooner-work> s/us.ryanhome./us.ryanhope./
Oct 30 23:43:00 <infobot> dBsooner-work meant: us.ryanhope.
Oct 30 23:43:05 <PuffTheMagic> :D
Oct 30 23:43:07 <dBsooner-work> LIES
Oct 30 23:43:15 <dBsooner-work> You can't hide from me now!
Oct 30 23:43:37 <dBsooner-work> ~punch egaudet
Oct 30 23:43:38 * infobot lets fly with a wild haymaker which catches egaudet right on the nose
Oct 30 23:43:57 <egaudet> that's enough of that
Oct 30 23:43:59 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic, have you tried having 2 users connected, and PRIVMSG to a hostmask instead of user and see if 1 will go to the other?
Oct 30 23:44:01 <egaudet> two broken noses one day
Oct 30 23:44:07 <egaudet> ~kick dBsooner-work
Oct 30 23:44:08 * infobot kicks dBsooner-work
Oct 30 23:44:17 <dBsooner-work> SO fix my image replacement and I'll stop making infobot punch you
Oct 30 23:44:21 <dBsooner-work> ~botsnack
Oct 30 23:44:21 <infobot> aw, gee, dBsooner-work
Oct 30 23:44:22 <egaudet> there is no fixing
Oct 30 23:44:46 <egaudet> either make a strict exception for that patch or wait till it's hashed out
Oct 30 23:44:47 <kesne> Who the hell is infobot?
Oct 30 23:44:49 <PuffTheMagic__> test
Oct 30 23:44:54 <freakout> lol
Oct 30 23:44:57 <freakout> infobot, infobot?
Oct 30 23:44:58 <infobot> infobot is, like, a hack!, or known to have only said one useful thing. a tool, or dating the fembots, or [TK]D-Fender's b*tch, or suck, or a pain in the ass
Oct 30 23:45:28 <PuffTheMagic> wow
Oct 30 23:45:30 <kesne> ?
Oct 30 23:45:37 <PuffTheMagic> we really should move to rizon
Oct 30 23:45:43 <PuffTheMagic> home of 100000 retarded bots
Oct 30 23:45:47 <PuffTheMagic> like cool bot
Oct 30 23:45:49 <PuffTheMagic> and sarah
Oct 30 23:46:25 <PuffTheMagic> zsoc: cant you try sending to the hostmask
Oct 30 23:46:45 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic, i realized that 5 seconds after i said it :P and then tried it, and clearly you didn't get it
Oct 30 23:47:07 <PuffTheMagic> :D
Oct 30 23:47:18 <PuffTheMagic> idk whats wrong with recieving querys
Oct 30 23:47:25 <PuffTheMagic> this is not good if it cant be resolved
Oct 30 23:48:13 <PuffTheMagic> i hope its not a libircclient bug
Oct 30 23:48:20 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic, i know you don't want to hear this, but I still think incoming PRIVMSG's are parses as msg
Oct 30 23:48:41 <PuffTheMagic> i am 99% they are not
Oct 30 23:48:49 <PuffTheMagic> i dont think quassel support DCC at all
Oct 30 23:48:54 <PuffTheMagic> and i get query's not problem
Oct 30 23:49:23 <kesne> PreWare isnt working for me
Oct 30 23:49:30 <kesne> It gets stuck on Loading Package Information
Oct 30 23:49:34 <kesne> anyone know why?
Oct 30 23:50:14 <zsoc> i was looking at an old pearl bot i used and the handler is "$conn->add_handler('msg',    \&on_msg);" and on_msg{} handles incoming privmsg
Oct 30 23:50:22 <zsoc> could have been the client i was using at the time tho
Oct 30 23:50:55 <PuffTheMagic> zsoc: i could try i guess
Oct 30 23:51:03 <PuffTheMagic> but o dont think that is it
Oct 30 23:51:27 <PuffTheMagic> i thought ddc chats needed  a request
Oct 30 23:51:44 <PuffTheMagic> yeah i am now 99.99 sure its not dcc related
Oct 30 23:51:52 * oil is finally home
Oct 30 23:52:36 <egaudet> oil you write nice code
Oct 30 23:52:52 <oil> lol
Oct 30 23:53:14 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic, ok. this is a silly question, maybe you should try ##irc? :D
Oct 30 23:53:16 <freakout> he makes a mean margherita too
Oct 30 23:53:38 <oil> PuffTheMagic: what do i need to do to get the service on my pre?
Oct 30 23:53:44 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic, er, but not on this server lol
Oct 30 23:54:02 * oil also begins downloading sdk v1.3.1
Oct 30 23:54:11 <freakout> heh
Oct 30 23:54:26 <freakout> oil, lemme know if there's any cool new features in it
Oct 30 23:54:52 * oil will let you know right after pc
Oct 30 23:54:53 <egaudet> ok I am connected via wIRC :P
Oct 30 23:54:56 <egaudet> cool
Oct 30 23:55:00 <oil> lol
Oct 30 23:55:00 <PuffTheMagic> oil: wget
Oct 30 23:55:04 * freakout slaps oil
Oct 30 23:55:07 <oil> yeah, obviously
Oct 30 23:55:10 <oil> what is the url though
Oct 30 23:55:10 <egaudet> and now oil will be done with wIRC in 5 minutes
Oct 30 23:55:16 <PuffTheMagic> oil: i have to ompload it
Oct 30 23:55:18 <PuffTheMagic> give me a min
Oct 30 23:55:38 <oil> egaudet: if you've already got it working, i could just pull that down
Oct 30 23:55:43 <egaudet> no no no oil
Oct 30 23:55:44 <kesne> oil: nothing special in 1.3.1
Oct 30 23:55:46 <kesne> Trust me
Oct 30 23:55:50 <oil> lol
Oct 30 23:56:05 <kesne> oil: When will wIRC get released?
Oct 30 23:56:06 <egaudet> all I've done is throw the service call to connect in there, not even finished going over all your code to understand it
Oct 30 23:56:11 <oil> ah
Oct 30 23:56:17 <PuffTheMagic> oil: tonight maybe
Oct 30 23:56:23 <sugardave> sdk 1.3.1?
Oct 30 23:56:27 <kesne> yeah
Oct 30 23:56:29 <kesne> 1.3.1
Oct 30 23:56:36 <kesne> released within two weeks
Oct 30 23:56:38 <sugardave> not for everyone, I guess?
Oct 30 23:56:41 <sugardave> okay
Oct 30 23:56:50 <kesne> But not for everyone
Oct 30 23:56:56 <oil> aww
Oct 30 23:57:03 <kesne> As in
Oct 30 23:57:03 <oil> limited local file access?
Oct 30 23:57:04 * sugardave is a sad panda.
Oct 30 23:57:11 <oil> gayness, i want images from other apps in preware
Oct 30 23:57:20 <kesne> heh
Oct 30 23:57:21 <rwhitby> sugardave: did you use chuq for access like he said to?
Oct 30 23:57:26 <rwhitby> s/use/ask/
Oct 30 23:57:27 <infobot> rwhitby meant: sugardave: did you ask chuq for access like he said to?
Oct 30 23:57:32 <egaudet> (LunaSysMgr:24926): LunaService-CRITICAL **: Error in callmap.c:1904
Oct 30 23:57:32 <egaudet> (LunaSysMgr:24926): LunaService-CRITICAL **: Could not find call 83 to cancel.
Oct 30 23:57:32 <egaudet> LUNASERVICE ERROR -1: Could not find call 83 to cancel. (LSCallCancel @ callmap.c:1904)
Oct 30 23:57:37 <sugardave> rwhitby: no, I missed that, apparently
Oct 30 23:57:46 <sugardave> I will, though
Oct 30 23:57:52 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic, you wanna send me the source for your service and i try to see where the issue lies? sometimes an extra set of eyes...
Oct 30 23:58:05 <rwhitby> sugardave: well, how can you expect to get the good stuff if you don't keep up with what's happening :-)
Oct 30 23:58:08 <PuffTheMagic> in a few min
Oct 30 23:58:27 <oil> so, webosinternals is the repo now?
Oct 30 23:58:29 <rwhitby> sugardave: p
Oct 30 23:58:33 <rwhitby> sugardave: PDN blog
Oct 31 00:00:19 <dBsooner-work> kesne: any word on if 1.3.1 will address issues with installations?
Oct 31 00:00:57 <sugardave> rwhitby: so much to read, so much forgetting
Oct 31 00:03:04 <egaudet> PuffTheMagic, want me to do anything
Oct 31 00:04:14 <dBsooner-work> egaudet: yes.. Get Jason here
Oct 31 00:04:19 <dBsooner-work> egaudet: so we can talk about APT
Oct 31 00:04:29 * dBsooner-work stomps his foot.
Oct 31 00:04:50 <egaudet> meh, that's not happening tonight
Oct 31 00:05:25 * dBsooner-work doesn't think it will happen for a while.
Oct 31 00:05:50 * dBsooner-work will just use current _extra and backup whatever is there as .webosinternals.orig
Oct 31 00:06:03 <dBsooner-work> and restore .webosinternals.orig on removal
Oct 31 00:06:15 <egaudet> dBsooner-work, only do that if you strict md5sum check
Oct 31 00:06:35 <dBsooner-work> can you write the postinst for that for me?
Oct 31 00:06:38 <dBsooner-work> and the prerm?
Oct 31 00:06:45 <egaudet> the _extra?
Oct 31 00:06:53 <kesne> App limit still exists
Oct 31 00:07:03 <dBsooner-work> kesne: really?
Oct 31 00:07:08 <kesne> really
Oct 31 00:07:11 <kesne> next one after though
Oct 31 00:07:14 <dBsooner-work> kesne: you think?
Oct 31 00:07:24 <dBsooner-work> kesne: so probably a month
Oct 31 00:07:26 <dBsooner-work> or 2
Oct 31 00:07:38 <kesne> One and a half == my guess
Oct 31 00:08:07 <dBsooner-work> rwhitby: is it easy to doctor back to stock?
Oct 31 00:08:19 <dBsooner-work> or would webosdoc take you back to stock /var part size?
Oct 31 00:08:25 <rwhitby> um, yes.  You must run a stock doctor ...
Oct 31 00:08:47 <dBsooner-work> before any upgrades?
Oct 31 00:08:58 <dBsooner-work> or can you do an upgrade on a modified /var
Oct 31 00:08:58 <rwhitby> dBsooner-work: no
Oct 31 00:09:13 <rwhitby> as long as they don't do resizing in the upgrade, it should work fine
Oct 31 00:09:16 <dBsooner-work> rwhitby: metadoc work in linux?
Oct 31 00:09:22 <dBsooner-work> ^^ dumb question
Oct 31 00:09:30 <egaudet> PuffTheMagic,
Oct 31 00:09:37 * dBsooner-work might resize tonight
Oct 31 00:09:39 <egaudet> why are all the messages event: PRIVMSG
Oct 31 00:09:50 <PuffTheMagic> cause thats what they are
Oct 31 00:09:53 <PuffTheMagic> IRC spec
Oct 31 00:09:56 <dBsooner-work> that's what they are
Oct 31 00:10:03 * dBsooner-work used to run ircd servers
Oct 31 00:10:04 <egaudet> oh
Oct 31 00:10:35 <oil> here i am, all ready to work on it, waiting on a url xD
Oct 31 00:11:08 <PuffTheMagic> quick
Oct 31 00:11:10 <PuffTheMagic> fix this
Oct 31 00:11:10 <PuffTheMagic> undefined reference to `strnstr'
Oct 31 00:11:38 <PuffTheMagic> oil: http://omploader.org/vMm5xaQ
Oct 31 00:13:46 <egaudet> what's nch
Oct 31 00:14:29 <egaudet> mv,
Oct 31 00:14:32 <egaudet> nvm*
Oct 31 00:14:47 <rwhitby> 1.3.1 SDK supports Pixi in emulator
Oct 31 00:15:24 <kesne> Yep
Oct 31 00:15:27 <kesne> Oficially
Oct 31 00:16:28 <egaudet> PuffTheMagic, how do I send a message?
Oct 31 00:16:34 <egaudet> luna-send -P -n 1 palm://us.ryanhope.wIRCd/client_cmd_msg {\"sessionToken\":\"1.75.2\",\"text\":\"THIS IS TEXT\",\"nch\
Oct 31 00:16:34 <egaudet> ":\"#webos-internals\"}
Oct 31 00:16:47 <PuffTheMagic> yea
Oct 31 00:16:53 <PuffTheMagic> but u need to esacpe the spaces in text
Oct 31 00:16:58 <egaudet> oh
Oct 31 00:17:00 <egaudet> damnit
Oct 31 00:17:14 <egaudet_wIRCd> hey look at me
Oct 31 00:17:30 <egaudet> wahoo
Oct 31 00:17:33 <egaudet> oil, mojo NOW
Oct 31 00:17:40 <oil> i got it running
Oct 31 00:17:42 <oil> im writing mojo
Oct 31 00:17:45 <egaudet> :P
Oct 31 00:17:50 <oil> whats the connect command?
Oct 31 00:17:58 <egaudet> client_connect
Oct 31 00:18:09 <rwhitby> wosqi works against 1.3.1 emulator to install preware
Oct 31 00:18:17 <egaudet> server, nick required
Oct 31 00:18:37 <rwhitby> bpadalino: novaterm works fine
Oct 31 00:18:40 <bpadalino> yay
Oct 31 00:18:42 * Templarian lols the guy that is writing the other WoW armory app sounds like he has no idea what he is doing, i've almost caught up to him in 8 hours what hes been working on for a few weeks. hehe.
Oct 31 00:18:48 <bpadalino> good to know
Oct 31 00:19:19 <rwhitby> preware runs fine on pixi emulator
Oct 31 00:21:00 <egaudet> PuffTheMagic, so pm's to wIRCd aren't working right
Oct 31 00:21:10 <PuffTheMagic> ummm
Oct 31 00:21:15 <PuffTheMagic> querys arent working
Oct 31 00:21:15 <oil> even so, wirc doesn't have any pm code
Oct 31 00:21:24 <PuffTheMagic> idk about dcc /msg stuff
Oct 31 00:22:29 <egaudet> oil are you going to keep the channels as separate cards or eventually integrated into one tabbed card?
Oct 31 00:23:28 <oil> for now, seperate
Oct 31 00:23:45 <rwhitby> ah, ok.  SDK beta only now, webOSDoctor beta later.
Oct 31 00:23:52 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: tabbed cards?
Oct 31 00:23:56 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: are u serious
Oct 31 00:24:15 <PuffTheMagic> we could fit 3 tabs max
Oct 31 00:24:24 <egaudet> pffft
Oct 31 00:24:33 <egaudet> it can be a popup menu
Oct 31 00:24:41 <egaudet> or something
Oct 31 00:24:45 <egaudet> whatever I was just asking
Oct 31 00:24:50 <PuffTheMagic> ok got querys working
Oct 31 00:24:56 <PuffTheMagic> it WAS a libircclient bug
Oct 31 00:25:01 <PuffTheMagic> im using svn version now
Oct 31 00:25:11 <PuffTheMagic> but it seems like some other shit changes
Oct 31 00:25:57 <PuffTheMagic> oil: http://omploader.org/vMm5xbg
Oct 31 00:25:58 <PuffTheMagic> use that
Oct 31 00:26:01 <PuffTheMagic> please
Oct 31 00:26:24 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: you probably want to pull
Oct 31 00:26:38 <egaudet> yea already done
Oct 31 00:27:05 <PuffTheMagic> :D
Oct 31 00:27:40 <PuffTheMagic> oops
Oct 31 00:28:15 <PuffTheMagic> wIRCd + luna-send >> irssi
Oct 31 00:28:59 <egaudet> PuffTheMagic, pm's not working
Oct 31 00:29:04 <PuffTheMagic> yes they are
Oct 31 00:29:12 <egaudet> nope
Oct 31 00:29:18 <PuffTheMagic> i will send you one
Oct 31 00:29:56 <egaudet> I don't get any pm's
Oct 31 00:30:10 <PuffTheMagic> send me one then
Oct 31 00:30:13 <PuffTheMagic> and i will prove i get it
Oct 31 00:30:22 <PuffTheMagic> send it to Puffy_wIRCd
Oct 31 00:30:38 <rawdeadfish> anyone here an avid user of the terminal app on the pre?
Oct 31 00:30:44 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: ** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, {"sessionToken":"1.305.2","event":"PRIVMSG","origin":"egaudet!n=egaudet@c-66-31-49-55.hsd1.ma.comcast.net","params":["Puffy_wIRCd","well what did you do that I didn't do"]}
Oct 31 00:30:55 <egaudet> pffft
Oct 31 00:31:02 <egaudet> so what did you doooo
Oct 31 00:31:02 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: are you using the latest binary :D
Oct 31 00:31:08 <egaudet> yea
Oct 31 00:31:11 <PuffTheMagic> u sure?
Oct 31 00:31:17 <egaudet> uhhh
Oct 31 00:31:20 <PuffTheMagic> i dont think u are
Oct 31 00:31:25 <PuffTheMagic> u probably pulled but didnt build
Oct 31 00:31:28 <PuffTheMagic> or built but didnt scp it
Oct 31 00:31:39 <egaudet> well i didn't scp because I cp to my sshfs mounted dir
Oct 31 00:31:39 <dBsooner-work> kesne: how did you verify app limit is still there?
Oct 31 00:31:53 <kesne> A palm employee
Oct 31 00:31:55 <kesne> Off the record
Oct 31 00:31:56 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: sshfs == fail
Oct 31 00:31:58 <egaudet> but since I don't read messages, I failed to see that the overwrite failed
Oct 31 00:32:11 <PuffTheMagic> lol
Oct 31 00:32:12 <dBsooner-work> rwhitby: When I run "make" from build.git I get errors in the openssh/optware dir
Oct 31 00:32:15 <PuffTheMagic> cause it was running
Oct 31 00:32:25 <PuffTheMagic> you need to stop the running wIRCd befor eu can ssh/scp a new one
Oct 31 00:32:33 <egaudet> PuffTheMagic, what do you use if not sshfs
Oct 31 00:32:35 <egaudet> you just scp
Oct 31 00:32:38 <egaudet> which is annoying
Oct 31 00:32:43 <PuffTheMagic> scp is easy
Oct 31 00:32:55 <PuffTheMagic> scp wIRCd root@pre-usb:/
Oct 31 00:32:57 <PuffTheMagic> done
Oct 31 00:32:57 <dBsooner-work> i made a shell alias
Oct 31 00:33:06 <dBsooner-work> scp file
Oct 31 00:33:13 * rwhitby renames his emulators to pre and pixi
Oct 31 00:33:16 <dBsooner-work> sends the file to my pre
Oct 31 00:33:20 <egaudet> cp wIRCd /pre_mount/
Oct 31 00:33:20 <egaudet> done
Oct 31 00:33:26 <egaudet> know @ or :/
Oct 31 00:33:28 <egaudet> I win
Oct 31 00:33:38 <PuffTheMagic> but u failed even with all that
Oct 31 00:33:41 <dBsooner-work> rwhitby: Pre?
Oct 31 00:33:48 <dBsooner-work> Oh, it's saturday.
Oct 31 00:33:59 <egaudet> ok pm works
Oct 31 00:35:05 <jauderho> whee. firefox 3.6b1 is out
Oct 31 00:35:15 <egaudet> I've become pretty useless
Oct 31 00:35:16 <egaudet> lol
Oct 31 00:35:48 <rwhitby> kesne: um, "off the record" usually means not repeating it in publicly logged IRC channels ...
Oct 31 00:35:59 <kesne> I mean
Oct 31 00:36:07 <kesne> They said I can say it
Oct 31 00:36:13 <kesne> though I cannot say who said it
Oct 31 00:36:19 <kesne> plus, you can look at the code :P
Oct 31 00:41:47 <rwhitby> kesne: actually, for the app install limit you can't look at the code - it's in the LunaSysMgr proprietary binary
Oct 31 00:43:43 <rwhitby> anyone remember where installNoVerify is defined in webOS ?
Oct 31 00:45:23 <dBsooner-work> rwhitby: so since its in the binary, the rumor that kesne has started might be false?
Oct 31 00:45:52 <kesne> No :o
Oct 31 00:46:29 <dBsooner-work> kesne, would you put all the money you havce made off checkers on it?
Oct 31 00:46:50 <kesne> Hmm
Oct 31 00:46:52 <kesne> Sure
Oct 31 00:47:01 <dBsooner-work> which is a lot I hope..
Oct 31 00:47:03 <kesne> Because if it isnt, I'll kill some Palm people
Oct 31 00:47:23 <kesne> And end up in jail anyways
Oct 31 00:47:37 <rawdeadfish> kesne: when do you see ur first check?
Oct 31 00:48:02 <dBsooner-work> i honestly don't see how hard it could be to fix it?
Oct 31 00:48:12 <kesne> Apparently very
Oct 31 00:48:22 <kesne> They said its very complex
Oct 31 00:48:40 <dBsooner-work> rwhitby fixed it
Oct 31 00:48:48 <rwhitby> dBsooner-work: I did not.
Oct 31 00:49:03 <dBsooner-work> rwhitby: found a work around
Oct 31 00:49:28 <rwhitby> correct.  Very different from an official vendor fix forcibly pushed via OTA update.
Oct 31 00:50:49 <dBsooner-work> LOL.. rwhitby found a work around.
Oct 31 00:51:26 * rwhitby doesn't get the joke ..
Oct 31 00:51:34 <dBsooner-work> I didn;t mean to put that twice
Oct 31 00:51:42 <dBsooner-work> pidgin isn't playing ncie.
Oct 31 00:51:46 <dBsooner-work> And I can't type.
Oct 31 00:52:21 <dBsooner-work> I bet I know their problem.. not being able to resize partition sizes on the fly
Oct 31 00:52:22 <dBsooner-work> safely
Oct 31 00:53:22 <dBsooner-work> which I still think they should just make it all native filesystem then put a working driver/service on usb side that will present part of the filesystem as "FAT" for windoze.
Oct 31 00:56:24 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: pong
Oct 31 00:56:32 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: ping
Oct 31 00:56:34 <egaudet> lol
Oct 31 00:56:44 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: want work?
Oct 31 00:56:52 <dBsooner-work> en0x: ping
Oct 31 00:56:59 <egaudet> something that I can do quickly or take a day with yes
Oct 31 00:57:34 <PuffTheMagic> test all the methods i have so far and document them in a README or something ;)
Oct 31 00:57:43 <dBsooner-work> ouch
Oct 31 00:57:45 <PuffTheMagic> there is also...
Oct 31 00:57:48 <dBsooner-work> documentation sucks
Oct 31 00:57:58 <PuffTheMagic> finding memleaks
Oct 31 00:58:09 <egaudet> the latter sounds much more appealing
Oct 31 00:58:11 <egaudet> lol
Oct 31 00:58:12 <PuffTheMagic> lol
Oct 31 00:58:25 <PuffTheMagic> and missing frees
Oct 31 01:12:56 * rwhitby notices facebook.jar in 1.3.1
Oct 31 01:13:10 * oil makes patch to hide it
Oct 31 01:13:11 <rwhitby> and PmLinuxModemCmd ...
Oct 31 01:13:27 <kesne> I cant get the damn thing installed...
Oct 31 01:13:30 <bpadalino> PmLinuxModemCmd ?
Oct 31 01:13:39 <bpadalino> very interesting!
Oct 31 01:14:16 * PuffTheMagic wonders what happened to 1.3.0
Oct 31 01:15:08 <sugardave> any playSoundRightFreakingNow methods?
Oct 31 01:17:13 <Templarian> Not yet... hehe.
Oct 31 01:18:22 * PuffTheMagic works on "Verbal Memo" service while waiting for oil
Oct 31 01:19:41 <oil> :/
Oct 31 01:20:17 <jonaddis84> hey, has anyone here done the autonomous GPS hack?
Oct 31 01:22:43 * sugardave is against machine autonomy.
Oct 31 01:22:47 * PuffTheMagic is afraid of the the words autonomous and GPS in the same sentence
Oct 31 01:23:44 <rwhitby> anyone remember which service has the queryInstallCapacity method?
Oct 31 01:24:34 <rwhitby> guess I'll need to trace that later - ran out of time now.
Oct 31 01:24:36 * rwhitby bbl
Oct 31 01:28:46 <jonaddis84> http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-tips-information-resources/206982-palm-pre-gps-additional-gps-modes-autonomous-assisted-cached.html
Oct 31 01:30:09 * Templarian wishes "class wasn't a keyword in javascript. arg.
Oct 31 01:30:54 <freakout> rwhitby still there?
Oct 31 01:30:57 <freakout> facebook.jar?
Oct 31 01:31:01 <freakout> So it's using a plugin?
Oct 31 01:31:43 <LachyAU> german pre confirmed to work on 3G yet?
Oct 31 01:31:46 <LachyAU> australia
Oct 31 01:32:11 <freakout> Telstra, yes. But not 3G - they use 850mhz for UMTS and the Pre is 1900/2100
Oct 31 01:32:13 <Robi_> Templarian: take out an s, you'll be ok
Oct 31 01:32:22 <freakout> LachyAU: all the others should be fine
Oct 31 01:33:07 <Templarian> Robi_: hehe that's what I generally do, still wish it was context sensitive meaning the keyword could be used.
Oct 31 01:33:32 <LachyAU> so for a newb (me) there is no way to get 3G data speeds with an Optus sim?
Oct 31 01:33:32 <Robi_> _improvise_ _nod_
Oct 31 01:34:30 <LachyAU> oh
Oct 31 01:34:38 <LachyAU> missed that freakout
Oct 31 01:35:12 <freakout> LachyAU: optus uses 2100 and so does vodafone and 3, IIRC
Oct 31 01:35:41 <LachyAU> yeah I think you're right
Oct 31 01:37:37 <LachyAU> freakout: I'm torn between this and the n900 :P
Oct 31 01:37:50 <LachyAU> both imports
Oct 31 01:38:02 <freakout> heh. Nokia has sexy hardware, but I've never liked their UI
Oct 31 01:38:15 <freakout> And what's the point of sexy hardware if it's no fun to drive it?
Oct 31 01:38:22 <freakout> bbl
Oct 31 01:57:12 <lingfish> Here's a question... Palm Profiles... are they meant to be web browsable?  Like, an account page or something?
Oct 31 01:57:19 <synackfin> Folks, I ran into a bit of a strange situation / problem -- when I pressed orange-sym-R, which I thought meant "reboot", it brought me to the "Phone Activated!" page and then started trying to restore itself from palm.com;  what can I do ??
Oct 31 01:57:29 <lingfish> I only have rego'd via the emulator... and eventually found a page to show info, but it doesn't show much
Oct 31 01:57:41 <lingfish> and I'm wondering if that's due to the rego not being through a real phone or not...
Oct 31 01:57:44 <PuffTheMagic> synackfin: hard reset
Oct 31 01:57:56 <LachyAU> :o
Oct 31 01:57:58 <PuffTheMagic> synackfin: hold power button and toggle the switch 3 or more times
Oct 31 01:58:01 <LachyAU> lingfish from whirlpool?
Oct 31 01:58:06 <PuffTheMagic> then let go of the power button
Oct 31 01:58:09 <lingfish> LachyAU: yep
Oct 31 01:58:11 <synackfin> PuffTheMagic: toggle which switch?
Oct 31 01:58:16 <LachyAU> The Quote Train <-
Oct 31 01:58:17 <LachyAU> :D
Oct 31 01:58:19 <PuffTheMagic> the lock switch next to the power button
Oct 31 01:58:29 <lingfish> LachyAU: ah, heya :)
Oct 31 01:58:30 <PuffTheMagic> the ONLY switch on the pre
Oct 31 01:58:32 <PuffTheMagic> ;)'
Oct 31 01:58:43 <LachyAU> you got yours yet ling
Oct 31 01:58:56 <synackfin> PuffTheMagic: ah, I see.  Is there any danger if I go through palm's recovery process when I have preware installed?
Oct 31 01:59:27 <PuffTheMagic> i have no idea
Oct 31 01:59:34 <PuffTheMagic> i personally wouldnt
Oct 31 02:00:13 <lingfish> LachyAU: nah man.. still waiting on freakout's to be delivered, though I've been talking to ummm...
Oct 31 02:00:20 <lingfish> I know his real name not his screen...
Oct 31 02:00:28 <lingfish> thewhitetower
Oct 31 02:00:29 <LachyAU> i see
Oct 31 02:00:49 <lingfish> I'm happy and almost convinced it'll work (on Voda)... I just want to know about warranty/returns for sure
Oct 31 02:01:08 <lingfish> I was goin to order from O2... so just need to sit with a mate who reads/speaks German to check out the fine print etc
Oct 31 02:01:30 <LachyAU> cool
Oct 31 02:01:33 <synackfin> PuffTheMagic: do you know why it brought me to the "Activation" screen on reboot?
Oct 31 02:01:40 <lingfish> I'm not all that comfy with an ebay seller...
Oct 31 02:01:42 <PuffTheMagic> nope
Oct 31 02:01:44 <synackfin> PuffTheMagic: I thought orange-sym-R was reboot, am I wrong?
Oct 31 02:01:45 <PuffTheMagic> i dont
Oct 31 02:01:46 <lingfish> would at least rather a "shop" per se
Oct 31 02:01:48 <LachyAU> as i mentioned earlier im split between this and the n900 lingfish
Oct 31 02:01:53 <PuffTheMagic> yeah i think it is
Oct 31 02:02:18 <lingfish> LachyAU: yeah... look i've checked out maemo or whatever it is, and android... and as freakout said, I just don't like the UI...
Oct 31 02:02:25 <lingfish> WebOS and synergy shits all over it, IMO
Oct 31 02:02:33 <PuffTheMagic> synergy is garbage
Oct 31 02:02:35 <LachyAU> i agree webos looks great
Oct 31 02:02:40 <PuffTheMagic> its the think i hate the most about the pre
Oct 31 02:02:47 <lingfish> PuffTheMagic: I like it.  IMO I said :P
Oct 31 02:02:48 <freakout> PuffTheMagic: why's that?
Oct 31 02:03:01 <synackfin> crap, my preware icon is gone!   how do I get that back?
Oct 31 02:03:11 <lingfish> It suits me perfectly... as I run with a ton of addr books and bullshit... exchange, fb, blah balh
Oct 31 02:03:13 <PuffTheMagic> cause you cant tell it what to import, it blindly imports everything
Oct 31 02:03:18 <lingfish> awesome that it just brings it all togheter
Oct 31 02:03:27 <PuffTheMagic> plus gmails contacts suck!
Oct 31 02:03:40 <lingfish> Well, that's your fault for using crappy webmail :P
Oct 31 02:04:09 <kesne> PuffTheMagic: When will wIRC be released?
Oct 31 02:04:14 <LachyAU> anyone know of a guide out on the net for newbs to set up and play with the pre webos sdk/emulator thing
Oct 31 02:04:35 <lingfish> LachyAU: I've done it, have been for months... I can help
Oct 31 02:04:42 <synackfin> anyone know how to get the preware icon back? (it's installed, the icon just vanished)
Oct 31 02:04:43 <lingfish> LachyAU: though Palm's own doco is quite easy to follow
Oct 31 02:04:51 <LachyAU> will do
Oct 31 02:05:47 <lingfish> I may just also order it from eXpandsys UK
Oct 31 02:06:00 <lingfish> $AUD912 though
Oct 31 02:06:23 <lingfish> There have been fears though about eXpansys AU... all but shutdown etc
Oct 31 02:07:02 <LachyAU> thats quite expensive
Oct 31 02:07:03 <freakout> PuffTheMagic: isn't that where Universal Search comes in? :p
Oct 31 02:07:05 <LachyAU> :<
Oct 31 02:07:09 <LachyAU> bloody euro to dollar
Oct 31 02:07:13 <lingfish> yeah
Oct 31 02:07:20 <PuffTheMagic> kesne: never if u keep asking
Oct 31 02:07:21 <lingfish> Well that's the pound to dollar actually.
Oct 31 02:07:33 <kesne> So you mean I can delay it? :D
Oct 31 02:07:36 <PuffTheMagic> freakout: is that where universal search somes in where?
Oct 31 02:07:49 <lingfish> PuffTheMagic: when will wIRC be released? ;)  *GDR*
Oct 31 02:07:52 <PuffTheMagic> kesne: no i will just hardcode block your nick and domain
Oct 31 02:07:56 <PuffTheMagic> lingfish: and yours
Oct 31 02:08:05 <lingfish> just kidding, sorry.
Oct 31 02:08:19 <kesne> PuffTheMagic: oh snap
Oct 31 02:08:39 <PuffTheMagic> lingfish: me too
Oct 31 02:08:44 <PuffTheMagic> kesne: but not for you
Oct 31 02:08:45 <PuffTheMagic> ;)
Oct 31 02:09:00 <freakout> PuffTheMagic: isn't importing everything the point? then you just search it and can get whoever you're after
Oct 31 02:09:50 <lingfish> k
Oct 31 02:10:54 <PuffTheMagic> freakout: no, i am on the LKML i have like 3000000 contacts in gmail
Oct 31 02:10:59 <PuffTheMagic> i dont want them all on my phone
Oct 31 02:11:04 <freakout> lol
Oct 31 02:11:07 <freakout> fair enough.
Oct 31 02:11:23 <PuffTheMagic> and gmail contacts dont support vard 1.3 spec
Oct 31 02:11:31 <PuffTheMagic> it dont support any vcard spec actualy
Oct 31 02:11:34 <PuffTheMagic> for output at least
Oct 31 02:11:37 <PuffTheMagic> i can import them
Oct 31 02:11:40 <freakout> yep, the contacts do suck a bit.
Oct 31 02:11:43 <PuffTheMagic> but still mess up
Oct 31 02:11:49 <freakout> i'm planning to get one of those desktop sync apps myself
Oct 31 02:11:54 <PuffTheMagic> palm profile has much better contact support
Oct 31 02:12:02 <lingfish> I would like to point out that it technically isn't importing... it's linking ;)
Oct 31 02:12:04 <PuffTheMagic> thats why i want vcard over obex
Oct 31 02:12:09 <PuffTheMagic> directly into palm profile
Oct 31 02:14:15 <PuffTheMagic> kesne: u trying to write a precentral post or something, i told you it will be out tonight (PST) ;)
Oct 31 02:14:23 <lingfish> Anyone got thoughts on my profile question above?
Oct 31 02:14:26 <kesne> Heh
Oct 31 02:14:32 <kesne> PuffTheMagic: where do you live?
Oct 31 02:14:38 <PuffTheMagic> Buffalo, NY
Oct 31 02:14:40 <PuffTheMagic> EST ;)
Oct 31 02:14:44 <kesne> ah
Oct 31 02:14:48 <kesne> PST is where I am
Oct 31 02:14:50 <PuffTheMagic> but oil the gui man is on west coast
Oct 31 02:15:03 <PuffTheMagic> and he is holding up the show cause he cant dev on his pre
Oct 31 02:15:05 <PuffTheMagic> he needs emu
Oct 31 02:15:08 <PuffTheMagic> oil: ;)
Oct 31 02:15:27 <oil> i wish i could get some sort of debug from my pre
Oct 31 02:15:35 <lingfish> anyone? :/
Oct 31 02:15:39 <oil> i waited all day watching you guys talk about the service
Oct 31 02:15:46 <oil> only to get home to find out i couldn't do shit
Oct 31 02:16:04 <freakout> lingfish: don't think so
Oct 31 02:16:24 <freakout> lingfish: palm webby allows remote wipe and that's about it i think
Oct 31 02:16:28 <lingfish> Then how do you store contacts in the profile itself or whatever
Oct 31 02:16:54 <freakout> add them on the Pre, or import from your old palm contacts with the tool they provide
Oct 31 02:17:17 <lingfish> hrm, k... I did find a login page though
Oct 31 02:17:26 <lingfish> just tells you basically nothing though.
Oct 31 02:17:46 <lingfish> google palm profile... first hit.
Oct 31 02:18:19 <freakout> i didn't think the emu let you create a proper one
Oct 31 02:18:29 <freakout> oil: you don't have the emu at home?
Oct 31 02:18:31 <lingfish> Right, that's what I thought... hence my question.
Oct 31 02:18:43 <lingfish> I can't even login to it right now
Oct 31 02:19:03 <lingfish> Is the only way to attach to it by using First Use?
Oct 31 02:20:03 <lingfish> or "activate" I guess
Oct 31 02:20:09 <freakout> think so
Oct 31 02:21:02 <lingfish> Weird.. it will backup successfully, but can't login to the page.
Oct 31 02:21:58 <PuffTheMagic> oil: want some cheese with that wine ;)
Oct 31 02:28:47 <oil> yes, im quite hungry
Oct 31 02:30:49 <egaudet> oil you can do everything
Oct 31 02:30:52 <egaudet> what you talking about willis
Oct 31 02:31:14 * oil goes to get dinner
Oct 31 02:33:02 <Abyssul> Hmm. A app that allows group emailing
Oct 31 02:34:30 <PuffTheMagic> ok while oil is gone everyone blame him for failing at dev on pre ;)
Oct 31 02:34:48 <lingfish> OIL YOU CAN'T DEV ON PRE!!!!!!!!
Oct 31 02:34:50 <lingfish> there.
Oct 31 02:35:45 <Abyssul> Rofl, a app for 1.43 dollars
Oct 31 02:39:12 <scooter26> makes sense, dev will make exactly 1$ on it after "palm tax"
Oct 31 02:39:57 <scooter26> does look funny though
Oct 31 02:44:36 <Abyssul> I guess that does make sense
Oct 31 02:50:59 <Marajin> Abyssul: 1.43? why not just go for 1.50 for round numbers sake?
Oct 31 02:51:32 <Marajin> tis still pocket change and those extra few cents will add up if it's a popular app..
Oct 31 02:52:50 <bpadalino> donate the extra cash to a charity of some type
Oct 31 02:54:31 <Marajin> heh
Oct 31 02:54:32 <Marajin> sure
Oct 31 02:54:43 <Marajin> not that they won't take a huuuuge tax outta it themselves
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