**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Nov 05 02:59:56 2009 Nov 05 02:59:56 yea /var/.... Nov 05 02:59:57 I meant: /var/usr/lib/.webosinternals.patches Nov 05 03:00:09 wrong directory all together.. stupid copy/paste Nov 05 03:00:17 k Nov 05 03:00:19 * zsoc believes being _able_ to cross-compile without exactly knowing all the nuances, is dangerous, and that it's probably a good thing that it's generally difficult. Nov 05 03:00:51 * zsoc despises busybox top Nov 05 03:01:04 Abyssul: is org.webosinternals.patches.messaging-enter-key-for-new-line there? Nov 05 03:01:36 failure during post install script execution Nov 05 03:01:43 egaudet: ping Nov 05 03:02:02 no Nov 05 03:02:08 Abyssul: seriously? Nov 05 03:02:15 seriously Nov 05 03:02:22 that's the only reason you get that error Nov 05 03:02:27 None of the patches are called org.webosinternals though Nov 05 03:02:31 yes Nov 05 03:02:32 oh Nov 05 03:02:35 drop org.webosinternals Nov 05 03:02:39 They are just .patch Nov 05 03:02:48 like limited-emergency-button.patch Nov 05 03:02:51 egaudet: BoBoYsDaDDa needs your help with VKB install Nov 05 03:02:53 oh wait Nov 05 03:02:56 here it is Nov 05 03:02:59 the answer lies within Nov 05 03:03:02 what's up BoBoYsDaDDa Nov 05 03:03:04 Found it Nov 05 03:03:08 Abyssul: delete it Nov 05 03:03:11 k Nov 05 03:03:17 getting a fail when installing virtual keyboard Nov 05 03:03:23 how are you installing Nov 05 03:03:27 what webos version are you running Nov 05 03:03:28 preware Nov 05 03:03:28 Anyone know why Eguy has been so quiet the last few weeks? Nov 05 03:03:31 What the error Boboysdadda? Nov 05 03:03:31 1.2.1 Nov 05 03:03:36 what's the ipkg log say Nov 05 03:03:43 Abyssul: try to install the patch now. Nov 05 03:03:56 ~seen Eguy Nov 05 03:03:59 eguy is currently on #webos-internals (1d 6h 36m 30s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 2h 34m 21s, last said: 'freakout'. Nov 05 03:04:00 ErrorGenericMethodException: failure during post-install script execution Nov 05 03:04:14 It installed dBsooner, thanks Nov 05 03:04:18 Abyssul: :D Nov 05 03:04:53 6 hunks were ignored Nov 05 03:05:07 Man, patches are iffy :p Nov 05 03:05:20 what does it say around the ignored hunks? what file was it trying to patch Nov 05 03:05:26 patches are not iffy Nov 05 03:05:31 patches are UGLY Nov 05 03:05:34 the patch worked great before my phone updated then i ran the emergency patch deleter and reinstalled all the patches and that one is the only one being fuuey Nov 05 03:05:35 haha Nov 05 03:05:43 but if everyone stays in APT you have nothing to worry about Nov 05 03:05:59 egaudet: I bet it never got removed right with EPR Nov 05 03:06:02 BoBoYsDaDDa, when did you run the EPR ? Nov 05 03:06:17 20 min ago Nov 05 03:06:23 BoBoYsDaDDa: RIGHT after the update? Nov 05 03:06:24 what version of they keboard did you originally have? Nov 05 03:06:27 its all the char... files Nov 05 03:06:39 He should probably just find the .orig files the patch changes and restore them Nov 05 03:06:39 no like 6 hours after my phone updated Nov 05 03:06:40 manually Nov 05 03:06:55 install OBSOLETE virtual keyboard found in preware -> list of everything -> type "obs" Nov 05 03:06:59 or webos repair utility, or pull them out of a doctor image Nov 05 03:07:04 most recent i believe i installed it 2 days ago Nov 05 03:07:09 zsoc, who should? Nov 05 03:07:19 BoBoYsDaDDa, interesting wehre did you install from? Nov 05 03:07:28 preware -> available patches -> mojo? Nov 05 03:07:41 ... Nov 05 03:07:42 yes Nov 05 03:07:48 hmm weird Nov 05 03:08:14 wonder if the update is wiping out the patch control area or the orig files or hmm I dunno Nov 05 03:08:36 the update caused every last patch i had to stop working Nov 05 03:08:40 I'll check EPR logic Nov 05 03:08:51 the only thing that was still operating was the apps and linux apps Nov 05 03:08:57 but for now install that obsolete package and then keyboard should install fine Nov 05 03:09:08 BoBoYsDaDDa: That's normal for all to stop working after an update Nov 05 03:10:43 virtual keyboard is great the only thing i would wish for is if theme creators created a theme for the keyboard aswell Nov 05 03:11:20 ok patch installed thanks for the help Nov 05 03:12:46 optware-bootstrapping my new pre. got it replaced today Nov 05 03:13:06 what does optware do exactly? that one scared me a little Nov 05 03:13:31 BoBoYsDaDDa, it makes your phone awesome Nov 05 03:13:33 BoBoYsDaDDa: it installes patch and git and ssh and creates a user for you Nov 05 03:13:36 BoBoYsDaDDa: think of it as linux command line apps on the Pre Nov 05 03:13:52 i don't speak linux Nov 05 03:14:08 it took me a month to put together an ubuntu htpc running xbmc Nov 05 03:14:15 BoBoYsDaDDa: learning is easy and recommended. linux is awesome Nov 05 03:14:22 BoBoYsDaDDa: xbmc not boxee? lol Nov 05 03:14:37 xbmc i tried myth as well Nov 05 03:14:46 xbmc has a sweet interface Nov 05 03:15:22 i think boxee has a better interface, but really, there isnt much difference between the two since boxee is based on xbmc Nov 05 03:15:31 There are actually a surprising number of options for a media/dvr/htpc linux box Nov 05 03:16:14 yeah but the support on most of them is crap Nov 05 03:16:40 as are most linux irc's which is why i don't have the urge to learn so much. because everyones answer when google doesn't work is to google it Nov 05 03:16:59 but that's generally the answer Nov 05 03:17:23 believe me i google for an hour before i go to a linux irc and ask for help Nov 05 03:17:43 problem is i don't speak linux so figuring out how to phrase what i am trying to find is dificult Nov 05 03:17:44 sometime's the channel you end up in is a little too specific for a question you might have. Nov 05 03:17:49 BoBoYsDaDDa: what IRC client do you use? Nov 05 03:17:50 dBsooner: I had to input those commands to fix like 5 other corrupt patches lol. Thanks for the help Nov 05 03:17:54 mirc Nov 05 03:18:23 * gkatsev cringes Nov 05 03:18:28 gkatsev, you on your pre? :P Nov 05 03:18:32 * gkatsev doesnt like mirc Nov 05 03:18:42 zsoc: no. irssi in the cloud Nov 05 03:18:46 ahhh Nov 05 03:18:49 so, i could be. :) Nov 05 03:19:02 hehe Nov 05 03:19:06 mirc is simple and user friendly and i like that Nov 05 03:19:23 i'll chat with u later i gotta hack a friends psp up to the latest firmware Nov 05 03:19:35 lol Nov 05 03:19:55 that reminds me, tonight i have to go hack a book to transfer the story from the pages into my mind Nov 05 03:20:03 which i don't know why people call it hacking Nov 05 03:20:31 taking someone elses work and putting it on a stick and clicking the x button isn't really hacking Nov 05 03:20:42 they hacked. i'm clicking Nov 05 03:20:50 gkatsev, i feel like we're friends now Nov 05 03:20:57 zsoc: lol Nov 05 03:21:30 alright l8r Nov 05 03:22:14 sea yew Nov 05 03:22:41 :) Nov 05 03:22:59 rwhitby, do you think the best option is to package ffmpeg for pre, get it on optware, and then have my app run a script which installs it? Or are dependencies in preware working? Nov 05 03:23:27 s/yew/ewe/ Nov 05 03:23:31 though, really, both work Nov 05 03:23:52 zsoc: dependencies in preware work fine Nov 05 03:24:06 zsoc: did palm finally release the stuff? or did you work around that? Nov 05 03:24:39 gkatsev, they released half the stuff. and the stuff i have i haven't used... _yet_.. the other half the stuff would be more useful Nov 05 03:28:18 * rwhitby bbl Nov 05 03:33:36 how does CSS transforms allow for better performance? Nov 05 03:34:43 cause it doesn't use javascript? Nov 05 03:35:06 sryan: cuz its magic Nov 05 03:36:23 does it have access to the gpu? Nov 05 03:37:29 egaudet: what situation would prerm not run? or not remove the $PATCH_CONTROL_DIR/$PATCH? Nov 05 03:38:15 prerm will fail if the patch can't reverse Nov 05 03:38:16 cleanly Nov 05 03:38:44 egaudet: I ask because of Abyssul having to manually remove the patch control file Nov 05 03:39:11 he tried to isntall a patch, it failed because control file was tehre.. he removes the control file and it installed cleanly. Nov 05 03:52:05 damn pain too :p Nov 05 03:52:10 Had to do it for 4 patches lol Nov 05 04:02:07 where does /var/bin /var/sbin etc get added to the PATH? Nov 05 04:02:58 PuffTheMagic, pm :) Nov 05 04:12:32 what screenshot in the emu? Nov 05 04:12:41 s/what/what's/ Nov 05 04:12:42 dBsooner meant: what's screenshot in the emu? Nov 05 04:16:21 hello webos-internals. Nov 05 04:16:36 HELLO! Nov 05 04:17:03 dBsooner, why is someone manually removing a patch control file? Nov 05 04:17:21 egaudet: because there was absolutely no reason for it to be there Nov 05 04:17:24 stick to APT and you will be fine Nov 05 04:17:33 egaudet no other part of the patch was installed Nov 05 04:17:34 well when you venture off the path... Nov 05 04:17:41 when you venture off the path... Nov 05 04:17:43 that was a one time example Nov 05 04:17:48 when you venture off the path... Nov 05 04:18:00 lol ok seriously though, how do you get in that state? Nov 05 04:18:00 while you're here, what is screnshot key combo in emu? Nov 05 04:18:04 after an update I guess Nov 05 04:18:12 but EPR is required for updates right now Nov 05 04:18:33 egaudet: It could happen if you install patch, then run ipkg -o /var remove Nov 05 04:18:41 without doing prerm Nov 05 04:18:52 and tehn restore the file manually Nov 05 04:18:59 and delete the .orig Nov 05 04:19:33 OK then I go back to my last statement Nov 05 04:19:36 when you venture off the path... Nov 05 04:50:59 watching the insanity that is the dropbox folder for 1.3.1 Nov 05 04:51:14 amazing how many people can't read instructions. Nov 05 04:52:39 I had to uninstall it....sucked up my last GB or so of space Nov 05 04:52:49 and I didn't want to delete anything while I was live Nov 05 04:53:12 * oil just downloads from web interface Nov 05 04:57:08 amazing. now the files are missing =) Nov 05 05:02:08 Please refrain from talking about the 1.3.1 sdk. Nov 05 05:02:21 As you recall, it is under a NDA. Nov 05 05:08:05 rwhitby: ping Nov 05 05:13:40 egaudet: ping Nov 05 05:15:08 5541 Nov 05 05:15:15 lol Nov 05 05:15:30 Hey, I have a patch here that works fine in 1.2.1, I had to modify it a bit to work in 1.3.1 Nov 05 05:15:40 how do I commit that change to 1.3.1 only? Nov 05 05:15:52 there isn't a 1.3.1 "branch".. Nov 05 05:19:56 then you can't... Nov 05 05:20:01 where are there branches? Nov 05 05:20:10 i just pullsed modifications and git branch only shows master Nov 05 05:20:25 there used to be a 1.1.3 branch Nov 05 05:20:30 it shwos one on gitweb Nov 05 05:21:44 no? Nov 05 06:13:41 hi. Nov 05 06:21:31 dBsooner: http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/modifications/commits/webos-1.3.1 just created Nov 05 06:22:51 rwhitby, how do I see the branches? Do I have to check out a branch before it shows with git branch? Nov 05 06:23:07 to create: git checkout -b branchname Nov 05 06:23:23 to switch to an existing branch: git checkout branchname Nov 05 06:23:39 to list: git branch Nov 05 06:25:34 rwhitby, I know but I pull the modifications.git and do git branch and only see master Nov 05 06:25:50 so I'm assuming there's no way to know what branches there are locally? Nov 05 06:26:23 Is there a way to load the emulator with webOS 1.1.3? I'd like to test out a patch... Nov 05 06:32:27 samk1: I have no idea, but I'm running 1.1.3 if you need a guinea pig... Nov 05 06:33:28 freakout, thanks, how can i send you the patch file? Nov 05 06:33:52 btw, it's for the keytoss keyword search patch Nov 05 06:34:09 ahhhh Nov 05 06:34:12 see PM Nov 05 07:22:20 hello all, I need some help getting Preware to run on my phone. Nov 05 07:23:07 Rebecca_: Not successful following the tutorial on webos-internals? Nov 05 07:26:22 hi, no- I' ve been at it for a couple hours now. I am suddenly getting the error that the package manager service is not running when I start Preware from my phone. I have uninstalled both Package Manager and Preware using WOBQI, rebooted the phone in sequence as Rod suggested on precentral, etc Nov 05 07:27:53 Never had any problem with it working prior. Nov 05 07:28:04 Rebecca_: i remember people getting that message in the past, just trying to remember how it was fixed. I literally just got preware setup on the emulator, not sure why you'd have issues all of a sudden Nov 05 07:28:08 And it won't allow me to select any feeds at all to try to update them one at a time. Nov 05 07:28:53 Should I also uninstall Luna Manager? Nov 05 07:29:21 As far as i know, Luna Manager shouldn't affect Preware Nov 05 07:29:41 everything was running well a few days ago (last time I launched Preware from phone) Nov 05 07:29:52 and now suddenly it doesn't load at all. Nov 05 07:30:08 Do you have an other 'Installers' on your phone? Installer or Preload? Nov 05 07:30:26 I did upgrade my PC to Win7 and it took a bit to get novacom installed and to see the Pre in Quick Install Nov 05 07:30:37 no, only WebOS QI Nov 05 07:30:41 Win7 here too Nov 05 07:32:04 I'm sure you've already done this several times since you've been at it for hours, but google turned this up: So open WebOS Quick Install, click the add application button, then click the dropdown list at the top and choose WebOS internals(Pre). Then remove Preware if you haven't already. Then go back to the list and click the checkbox for the Preware Package Manager Service. Click download and then install. After that's instal Nov 05 07:32:04 led repeat those steps but choose Preware, then click download and install again, and all should be working. Nov 05 07:33:17 Which version of Quickinstall do you have? 2.82? Nov 05 07:33:24 yes Nov 05 07:33:35 just downloaded everything fresh yesterday Nov 05 07:35:03 Well, Package manager and Preware are only in the WebOS internals (all) feed Nov 05 07:35:37 Yeah, that's how i just got them on the emulator, one after the other with no issues Nov 05 07:37:14 *nod* I've already uninstalled both, rebooted the phone, installed package manager on it's own, restarted Quick Install, installed Preware, rebooted phone, verified they were installed, and still the same thing Nov 05 07:37:44 everytime I launch Preware from the phone (yes I have a good network connection) it says that the package manager service is not running Nov 05 07:37:49 as you sure that you installed it? Nov 05 07:38:01 if so, then try restarting Preware Nov 05 07:38:05 or rebooting phone Nov 05 07:38:52 can't get past that no matter what I try, it's driving me nuts Nov 05 07:39:04 I'm not completely positive, but for the phone i believe i followed the same order as i just did on the emulator. Loaded up the emulator (first time), opened Quick Install, Installed the Package Manager Service, then after that was completed, installed Preware Nov 05 07:39:13 Restarted Luna & was able to load Preware Nov 05 07:39:35 It won't allow me to restart Luna Nov 05 07:39:48 it says that the package manager service is not running Nov 05 07:40:00 so then I reboot the phone Nov 05 07:40:41 I had no problems at all installing it the first time around, I don't understand why suddenly it just crapped out. Nov 05 07:41:33 Sorry, me either. I can't think of why it would stop working all of a sudden Nov 05 07:41:47 I have followed all the suggestions on this post Nov 05 07:41:47 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/199090-preware-144.html#post2013362 Nov 05 07:42:19 i was just reading ron's post on that page Nov 05 07:42:37 & like you said, you ran through that still having issues Nov 05 07:43:25 I'm no programmer but I'm pretty capable if I have decent instructions and I always search and use the wiki and the troubleshooting guides and I am just at a wall. Nov 05 07:43:52 I'm about ready to take a trip to the Doctor. Nov 05 07:44:07 i'm the same way. Before that, have you tried the Repair Utility? Nov 05 07:44:26 It should restore the stock files, without wiping your device Nov 05 07:46:14 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/199090-preware-144.html#post2013362 Nov 05 07:47:56 yes, I've been combing through that thread for a couple hours :) Nov 05 07:48:24 I will probably run the repair utility in the morning. I think I need to go to bed. Nov 05 07:48:33 before I throw the thing across the room. Nov 05 07:48:39 Okay. Sorry i couldn't help you Nov 05 07:48:44 lol, i've been there to Nov 05 07:48:49 oh, I appreciate the effort. Nov 05 07:49:03 Good luck in the morning with it Nov 05 07:49:04 I sort of figured unless one of the developers was in here I was SOL Nov 05 07:49:33 I am going to post and see if anyone answers me and if they don't I'll probably just start over Nov 05 07:49:35 Yeah =\. I'm no developer, but i usually know just enough to get things working. I guess not in this case Nov 05 07:49:57 Me too. That's why I'm irritated. Nov 05 07:50:41 My husband thinks I'm nuts with how much I tweak and play with my phone. Nov 05 07:50:43 heh Nov 05 07:50:46 Recently Preware has been locking up at startup for me, & retreiving feed info or checking package manager version, then i open installer, let that load up & then if i go back to preware it loads up fine Nov 05 07:51:01 that's wierd, too. Nov 05 07:51:08 lol, i love tweaking the phone. I get so excited when i see a new patch out =[ Nov 05 07:52:16 uh oh now the 3 year old is up. Well, thanks again, I'm sure I'll see you around again, I will probaby be back w/ a real nickname lol. Nov 05 07:52:20 cheers! Nov 05 07:52:46 Okay =). Goodnight Nov 05 08:53:44 re Nov 05 09:17:42 is there a hotkey/key combo to zoom in the emulator? Nov 05 09:20:50 <_droO> hmm Nov 05 09:46:41 okay looking for someone with a 1.2.1 emulator running... Nov 05 15:08:47 anyone want to help a noob with some optware questions? Nov 05 15:10:23 somehow webos updated itself to 1.2.1 last night, and over wrote my login info for optware, and now i cant figure out how to set it up again Nov 05 15:16:50 sKunkman: The WebOS will auto update when it has a good newtork connection and battery is full... do you just want PreWare for the optware feed? Just search for it on our website in the channel topic... Nov 05 15:20:15 i have preware installed, i have my terminal, but for some reason when i open a putty connection and login as the account i created, it doesnt recognize it Nov 05 15:20:56 u need to novacom ur pre again... Nov 05 15:21:08 or can you run your terminal? Nov 05 15:21:23 if yes u can do useradd someuser Nov 05 15:21:27 and passwd someuser Nov 05 15:21:40 yeah i can run the terminal app Nov 05 15:21:51 cool let me try that in a minute Nov 05 15:23:08 puff Nov 05 15:23:43 PufftheMagic ping Nov 05 15:23:50 hey Nov 05 15:23:59 hi Nov 05 15:24:12 whats up Nov 05 15:24:15 irc service will not stary Nov 05 15:24:34 start Nov 05 15:24:44 i think it is/was started but you must be using the old gui with the port bug Nov 05 15:24:54 error c.566 Nov 05 15:25:03 idk what that is Nov 05 15:25:08 let me put new ipks on the website Nov 05 15:25:10 error c.566; % 4"%?6 -";13$%?6 +2"?6n Nov 05 15:25:31 give me 2 min Nov 05 15:26:03 ok Nov 05 15:26:56 I get a lot of luna send errors and it says its not started Nov 05 15:27:22 yeah thats cause of not sending the port option correctly when connecting Nov 05 15:27:27 the error message is misleading Nov 05 15:27:56 ahhh Nov 05 15:28:24 did I do something wrong? Nov 05 15:28:42 no it was poor programming on my side Nov 05 15:29:01 I am on via freenodes web client which sucks Nov 05 15:29:02 and it was fixed on the gui side but i still need to add somethign to the server to prevent this Nov 05 15:29:09 hey can anyone tell me how to test landscape in the emulator? Nov 05 15:29:31 o landscape in emu Nov 05 15:30:26 it may be availibe in the next + Nov 05 15:30:27 Rick, that was a No landscape... I think you missed the N. Nov 05 15:30:37 next zzw 1 Nov 05 15:30:42 I'm in the next ;) Nov 05 15:34:03 sorry Nov 05 15:34:09 got bounced Nov 05 15:34:15 see that. Nov 05 15:34:50 the guy who writes the emulator has it working kandscape Nov 05 15:35:15 but it stays protraite on the screen Nov 05 15:35:27 the emu doesn't rotate Nov 05 15:35:35 only the content Nov 05 15:35:56 and palm has not authorised releasing it Nov 05 15:36:06 because it is lame Nov 05 15:36:28 he wants to Nov 05 15:36:41 but there you are Nov 05 15:36:43 . Nov 05 15:36:44 . Nov 05 15:36:44 . Nov 05 15:37:24 rick-pre: urls are updated on wiki Nov 05 15:37:29 try the 0.0.2 versions Nov 05 15:37:39 PufftheMagic, can I update that service from terminal? Nov 05 15:37:54 yeah just dont for get to run prerm/postinst Nov 05 15:38:00 using ipkg command lineN Nov 05 15:38:14 url? Nov 05 15:38:28 rick-pre: http://preyourmind.org/files/us.ryanhope.wircd_0.0.2_armv7.ipk Nov 05 15:38:31 ^^ service Nov 05 15:38:38 rick-pre: http://preyourmind.org/files/ws.junk.wirc_0.0.2_all.ipk Nov 05 15:38:39 ^^ gui Nov 05 15:38:46 wow this chews battery Nov 05 15:38:47 gui dont need postinst/prerm Nov 05 15:39:05 i thought u were not getting connect? Nov 05 15:39:26 on via web client Nov 05 15:40:04 client web? Nov 05 15:40:23 rick-pre: sh /var/usr/lib/ipkg/info/us.ryanhope.wircd.prerm Nov 05 15:40:28 before removing Nov 05 15:40:36 and sh /var/usr/lib/ipkg/info/us.ryanhope.wircd.postinst Nov 05 15:40:39 after installing Nov 05 15:43:21 rick-pre: let me know how that goes Nov 05 15:45:57 If I have never ran this before I just need to install both those ipkg Puff and then run sh /var/usr/lib/ipkg/info/us.ryanhope.wircd.postinst ? Nov 05 15:51:12 well this is cool Nov 05 15:52:39 but it is time to leave for work now. Nov 05 16:24:28 test Nov 05 16:31:47 hmm every time i start wIRC is says im connected wtf Nov 05 16:32:31 what says you are connected Nov 05 16:32:47 the main page Nov 05 16:32:50 the icon is green Nov 05 16:32:54 but i am definately not connected Nov 05 16:32:57 opps wrong window Nov 05 16:36:59 can anyone tell me how to turn off the "broadcast message from root, system going to sleep now, system woke up" in putty? Nov 05 16:37:38 some process named powerd Nov 05 16:46:24 nevermind Nov 05 16:55:31 Rick_work: did you get that working? Nov 05 17:13:49 hello anyone around who can assist me with Preware/Package Manager problems? Nov 05 17:14:08 just ask the question Nov 05 17:14:36 Can't start Preware from the phone, it keeps saying Package Manager service is not running. Nov 05 17:15:10 NoDramaMama: did you install the package manager service? Nov 05 17:15:13 Have uninstalled/reinstalled PkgMgr/Preware using Quick Installer repeatedly, reboot phone inbetween each Nov 05 17:15:17 yes of course I did. Nov 05 17:15:28 NoDramaMama: do you have terminal? Nov 05 17:15:29 It was working w/ no problems previously Nov 05 17:15:39 or can you ssh into the phone? Nov 05 17:15:48 no, I never have done that before Nov 05 17:15:57 ok Nov 05 17:16:04 Just WebOS Quick install and Preware Nov 05 17:16:09 well File Coaster before that. Nov 05 17:17:00 have you tried preware standalone installer? Nov 05 17:17:10 egaudet_work: there is such a thing? Nov 05 17:17:18 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware#Installation Nov 05 17:17:25 http://get.preware.org/ Nov 05 17:17:29 I have windows 7 and I was afraid it wouldn't work Nov 05 17:18:00 egaudet_work: cool Nov 05 17:18:09 so uninstall it again w/ WebOSQI and try to use the stand alone installer? Nov 05 17:18:17 NoDramaMama: yes Nov 05 17:18:35 * gkatsev -> lunch Nov 05 17:28:50 ok trying the stand alone now Nov 05 17:28:55 will report back thanks Nov 05 17:34:17 Ok, when I try the stand alone installer I get this message: Nov 05 17:34:19 ERROR 2: err -99 "Command: put file:///media/internal/developer/Installer.ipk Nov 05 17:34:19 Reply:file open failed" Nov 05 17:35:27 egaudet_work: NoDramaMama did say they were using Windows 7.. I wonder how well it works. Doesn't the standalone need novacom working properly? Nov 05 17:35:57 I do have novacom working properly Nov 05 17:36:07 that was another 2 hour project last night. Nov 05 17:36:10 :) Nov 05 17:36:31 but it is working and I can connect to the phone with WebOSQInstaller Nov 05 17:36:55 I have windows 7 enterprise 64 bit Nov 05 17:37:00 are you in charge only mode? Nov 05 17:37:09 no USB Nov 05 17:37:17 should I be charge only? Nov 05 17:37:19 you can't be in usb mode Nov 05 17:37:25 novacom doesn't work in usb mode Nov 05 17:37:54 i.e. tap "just charge" Nov 05 17:37:59 got it trying now Nov 05 17:38:42 "the program installation seems to have failed." Nov 05 17:39:53 have you followed the QI steps from the wiki exactly? Nov 05 17:40:18 dev mode on Nov 05 17:40:24 Yes. As I said, I had it working with no problems Nov 05 17:40:25 (emulator is not running is it?) Nov 05 17:40:31 no, no emulator Nov 05 17:40:31 choose webos internals feed Nov 05 17:40:35 yes Nov 05 17:40:35 select package manager service Nov 05 17:40:39 yep Nov 05 17:40:48 download, install Nov 05 17:40:52 then select preware Nov 05 17:40:56 download, install Nov 05 17:41:03 restart Nov 05 17:42:12 going to need to access linux Nov 05 17:42:57 whee. I just don't get why suddenly it stopped working Nov 05 17:43:12 I also tried the WebOS repair utility Nov 05 17:43:21 didn't find anything or replace any files Nov 05 17:44:31 are there steps to follow on what to do once I access linux? Nov 05 17:46:44 do you have linux access now? Nov 05 17:46:49 novaterm ? Nov 05 17:48:15 no, I have never gotten access to root before. Nov 05 17:48:27 never been in a linux terminal in my life heh Nov 05 17:49:02 NoDramaMama: follow the wiki:http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Accessing_Linux Nov 05 17:51:08 NoDramaMama: You can start on Step 5 if you are sure you have novacom driver installed and all that Nov 05 17:51:13 Ok, I am reading it now and trying to determine which steps to follow for Win7x64 Nov 05 17:51:40 well it must be running/working, I can install apps and themes etc using Quick Installer Nov 05 17:52:01 and it's running as a service on my machine Nov 05 17:52:56 NoDramaMama: get http://tkgeisel.com/stuff/novaterm-1.zip Nov 05 17:53:18 extract it, open up a dos prompt Nov 05 17:53:27 cd to the directory you extracted it to Nov 05 17:53:41 if he's going to use dos Nov 05 17:53:42 then type "./novaterm.exe" Nov 05 17:53:44 just go to dos now Nov 05 17:53:47 lol Nov 05 17:53:47 and do Nov 05 17:53:52 novacom -t open tty:// Nov 05 17:53:59 or do that Nov 05 17:54:03 wait do I need to extract that file or not? Nov 05 17:54:07 or is it novacom.exe Nov 05 17:54:13 I think NoDramaMama means SHE.. ;) Nov 05 17:54:14 i don't know windows sorry Nov 05 17:54:43 my mistake Nov 05 17:54:46 try novacom -t open tty:// first Nov 05 17:54:49 But I don't think that works Nov 05 17:54:56 you can call me she, he, or anything else as long as I get it to work, lol :) Nov 05 17:56:22 NoDramaMama: open a command prompt and try "novacom -t open tty://" Nov 05 17:57:32 novacom is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file Nov 05 17:58:00 .exe Nov 05 17:58:49 novacom or novaterm.exe? Nov 05 18:03:31 novacom.exe -t open tty:// Nov 05 18:06:57 that doesn't work Nov 05 18:07:01 egaudet_work: That shouldn't matter.. NoDramaMama extract those files I gave you in that zip and cd to the directory you extracted them to and do "novaterm.exe" Nov 05 18:07:11 but I can do novaterm.exe Nov 05 18:07:46 and what does doing novaterm.exe give you? Nov 05 18:08:05 root@castle#/ Nov 05 18:08:07 hopefully Nov 05 18:08:20 I extracted that file and cd'd to the directory and it opens a novaterm window that has a connect button and localhost in the box Nov 05 18:08:42 do I connect? Nov 05 18:08:44 yes Nov 05 18:08:58 is your pre connected in "charge only"? Nov 05 18:09:01 yes Nov 05 18:09:17 root@castle#/ :) Nov 05 18:09:24 small victories Nov 05 18:09:27 woot Nov 05 18:09:28 so now what? Nov 05 18:09:38 egaudet_work take over.. I ahve to drive now, so screen will black out. Nov 05 18:10:01 ty dBsooner-work Nov 05 18:10:08 type the following and give me the output in a pastebin Nov 05 18:10:13 ipkg -o /var list_installed Nov 05 18:10:26 np.. But was I right about your sex? Nov 05 18:10:39 I sometimes get confused by nicks.. Nov 05 18:10:48 like Mousey (who's not here) Nov 05 18:10:53 yes I'm a girl :) Rebecca Nov 05 18:11:03 Nice to meet you Rebecca. Nov 05 18:11:09 ok when I try to type in the window, I get an error Nov 05 18:11:14 My name is Daniel. and egaudet there is Eric. Nov 05 18:11:39 what kind of error Nov 05 18:11:47 do you see root@castle#/ in that window Nov 05 18:11:54 she did before she typed Nov 05 18:11:56 unhandled exception has occured in your application. I f you click continue, the app. will ignore this error and attempt to continue. If you click quit, the application will close immediately Nov 05 18:12:08 try ignore Nov 05 18:12:08 ;) Nov 05 18:12:21 Arithmetic operation resulted in an overflow Nov 05 18:12:54 ok typing now Nov 05 18:13:02 and hello Daniel and Eric :) Nov 05 18:13:32 nice to meet you Rebecca, welcome to webos-internals :P Nov 05 18:13:36 I get the error after every character I type! Nov 05 18:15:57 ok big giant list Nov 05 18:16:18 now I'm no dummy boys but I do not speak the lingo- what's a paste bin? Nov 05 18:16:49 just a place for you to paste a bunch of text and give us a url link so not to flood the channel basically Nov 05 18:16:51 <@PuffTheMagic> ni|: but i dont want to interface with it from cli any more Nov 05 18:16:51 <@PuffTheMagic> ni|: i think the useful things need to get into preware Nov 05 18:16:51 <@PuffTheMagic> like dropbear has Nov 05 18:16:55 grrrrrrrrrrr woops Nov 05 18:17:00 lol Nov 05 18:17:00 http://webos.pastebin.com/ Nov 05 18:17:15 I hate windows Nov 05 18:18:51 can't get it to copy? Nov 05 18:19:27 I guess novaterm is odd like that Nov 05 18:19:39 you could screenshot Nov 05 18:19:46 hwo about a screencap? Nov 05 18:19:49 heh jinx Nov 05 18:19:49 yep Nov 05 18:19:52 :P Nov 05 18:19:55 ok where do I send that to? Nov 05 18:20:05 just upload it to like imageshack.us Nov 05 18:20:43 the other thing we could do eric is get her into Putty Nov 05 18:20:44 dBsooner-work ping ping Nov 05 18:20:57 handoff Nov 05 18:21:09 why is there a package titled "Command Line" in patches... Nov 05 18:21:25 Univsersal Search Command Line Nov 05 18:21:27 USCL Nov 05 18:21:38 universal-search-command-line.patch Nov 05 18:21:42 ick Nov 05 18:21:53 That's what the author wanted Nov 05 18:21:58 Command Line gives the wrong idea Nov 05 18:22:08 That's what he wanted Nov 05 18:22:15 titles are for the users Nov 05 18:22:31 If I want djfdkjfkd in my title will you appease me :P Nov 05 18:22:55 anyway Nov 05 18:23:13 egaudet_work: no Nov 05 18:23:22 yea back to novaterm Nov 05 18:23:23 http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/6110/novaterm.jpg Nov 05 18:23:30 egaudet_work: get rid of egaudet_wirc or at least change their title Nov 05 18:23:42 cuz I have to type "egaudet_wo" to be able to tab on your name Nov 05 18:23:52 or just tab twice/thrice Nov 05 18:23:55 eg tab tab Nov 05 18:24:02 eg tab tab tb Nov 05 18:24:06 egaudet_work: I know dummy Nov 05 18:24:16 egaudet_work: But pidgin is not cool like that Nov 05 18:24:21 lol use wirc Nov 05 18:24:22 :P Nov 05 18:24:23 here is what i get when I do itr "twice" Nov 05 18:24:29 egaudet egaudet_wirc egaudet_work Eguy Nov 05 18:24:29 egaudet egaudet_wirc egaudet_work Eguy Nov 05 18:24:41 and three timesw, I get that line again Nov 05 18:24:45 4 times, yep, again Nov 05 18:24:57 does that work for you? Nov 05 18:24:59 if you highlight my _wirc one more time... Nov 05 18:25:25 NoDramaMama: yes, we are just arguing Nov 05 18:25:28 yea NoDramaMama, that looks good Nov 05 18:25:42 ~punch egaudet_work Nov 05 18:25:43 * infobot lets fly with a wild haymaker which catches egaudet_work right on the nose Nov 05 18:25:44 now try the following: Nov 05 18:27:12 ls -l /etc/event.d/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice Nov 05 18:28:01 Boy.. egaudet_work.. Look at some of her version #'s of patches. Nov 05 18:28:09 SOMEONE hasn't "update Feeds" in a while. Nov 05 18:28:21 or "updated" Nov 05 18:29:01 egaudet_wirc Nov 05 18:29:01 egaudet_wirc Nov 05 18:29:02 egaudet_wirc Nov 05 18:29:12 xD ROFL.. just cause you said don't. Nov 05 18:30:17 don't pick on me :-P Nov 05 18:31:05 dBsooner-work, hows #wirc :P Nov 05 18:31:11 that is going to take forever to type having to clear that error after every keystroke, le sigh Nov 05 18:31:15 egaudet_wirc: it's just fine Nov 05 18:31:34 egaudet_wirc: I jsut choose not to use it until some of my features have been added. Nov 05 18:31:46 NoDramaMama: download putty Nov 05 18:32:00 ~kick dBsooner-work Nov 05 18:32:01 * infobot kicks dBsooner-work Nov 05 18:32:27 NoDramaMama: http://the.earth.li/~sgtatham/putty/latest/x86/putty.exe Nov 05 18:32:36 ~punch http://the.earth.li/~sgtatham/putty/latest/x86/putty.exe Nov 05 18:32:38 * infobot lets fly with a wild haymaker which catches http://the.earth.li/~sgtatham/putty/latest/x86/putty.exe right on the nose Nov 05 18:32:42 dBsooner-work, take over from here Nov 05 18:32:44 dope! lost my copy/paste Nov 05 18:33:04 egaudet_wirc: I have to drive again.. ia m doing disco's so I can'[t stay long between each. Nov 05 18:33:15 * dBsooner-work curses whoever thought of "BlackOUT Pro!" Nov 05 18:33:16 ls -l /etc/event.d/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice? Nov 05 18:33:21 ok here I go Nov 05 18:34:14 ok dumb Q how do I get back to a prompt from this list screen? Nov 05 18:35:34 what list screen? Nov 05 18:35:41 the one I sent you Nov 05 18:35:42 NoDramaMama: download putty Nov 05 18:35:49 it's going to replace novaterm Nov 05 18:35:51 easier to work with Nov 05 18:35:57 hit enter? Nov 05 18:36:17 blacking out.. Nov 05 18:36:44 putty will require running stuff in novaterm first dBsooner-work Nov 05 18:36:53 have to set up ssh and all that jazz Nov 05 18:37:13 I can't get a prompt to type Nov 05 18:37:17 this is so frustrating Nov 05 18:37:22 doesn't Quick Install have a linux terminal capability? Nov 05 18:38:03 hey hey yes it does Nov 05 18:38:09 linux command line Nov 05 18:38:13 opened right up Nov 05 18:38:17 nice Nov 05 18:38:18 Eric ftw! Nov 05 18:38:22 :) Nov 05 18:38:36 forgot I heard about that, I don't use QI much so I'm not up to date on its features Nov 05 18:39:19 should be able to copy paste the output to pastebin using that I hope Nov 05 18:39:32 copy paste works yes Nov 05 18:39:40 awesome Nov 05 18:39:49 do I need to rerun the first command again before ls -l /etc/event.d/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice Nov 05 18:39:54 nope Nov 05 18:41:05 bu Nov 05 18:41:20 my prompt just says root@castle Nov 05 18:41:29 not root@castle#/ Nov 05 18:45:34 NoDramaMama that'ssfine Nov 05 18:46:25 ok well it says : root@castle: ls -l /etc/event.d/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice Nov 05 18:46:25 ls: /etc/event.d/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice: No such file or directory Nov 05 18:46:31 that's it Nov 05 18:47:02 ok so it didn't actually get installed correctly Nov 05 18:47:13 you might have run into the rare mount bug Nov 05 18:47:15 try to do Nov 05 18:47:17 mount -o rw,remount / Nov 05 18:48:08 nothing so far Nov 05 18:48:21 did it return? Nov 05 18:48:29 no Nov 05 18:48:47 I don't know the interface so is it like doing something or did it just send the command and get no output? Nov 05 18:48:51 I don't expect any output Nov 05 18:49:01 now try to do Nov 05 18:49:01 seems to be doing something Nov 05 18:49:12 oh Nov 05 18:49:21 when it finishes a command I see the root@castle prompt again Nov 05 18:50:03 I can try to send a command, I dunno Nov 05 18:50:40 You always have a cursor blinking in the input window at the bottom Nov 05 18:51:06 try to just send ls Nov 05 18:51:25 but when I opened it and sent the 'ls -l /etc/event.d/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice' command, it returned to the root@castle prompt Nov 05 18:51:42 oh ok worked Nov 05 18:51:48 ok Nov 05 18:51:51 type this Nov 05 18:52:05 sh /var/usr/lib/ipkg/info/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice.postinst Nov 05 18:52:40 closed the command window? Nov 05 18:53:04 that was wierd Nov 05 18:53:05 did your phone go "phone offline" Nov 05 18:53:11 ok I reopened it and ran it again Nov 05 18:53:22 no Nov 05 18:53:33 now i have info do you want it in a pastebin? Nov 05 18:53:53 yes please Nov 05 18:54:33 sent Nov 05 18:54:56 I need the url now :P Nov 05 18:55:11 http://webos.pastebin.com/m12cd00e5 Nov 05 18:55:15 *blush* Nov 05 18:55:51 OK looks like that worked Nov 05 18:55:54 do the Nov 05 18:56:01 ls -l /etc/event.d/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice Nov 05 18:56:02 again Nov 05 18:57:32 root@castle: ls -l /etc/event.d/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice Nov 05 18:57:32 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1126 Nov 5 13:52 /etc/event.d/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice Nov 05 18:57:32 root@castle: Nov 05 18:58:14 egaudet_work: no you don't.. putty you just connect via RAW, not SSH. Nov 05 18:58:57 NoDramaMama, good looks like package manager service is good now Nov 05 18:59:00 there are all kinds of caveats in the wiki about running putty on 64 bit windows let's just go with what's working Nov 05 18:59:03 :) Nov 05 18:59:11 install preware now Nov 05 18:59:14 and should be fine Nov 05 18:59:15 lol Nov 05 18:59:30 I ran Win 7 64bit ultimate for a long time.. and I never had issues. ;) Nov 05 18:59:36 In fact I still have it as a dual boot Nov 05 18:59:55 a necessary evil, because I know you hate windows :) Nov 05 18:59:59 but everything I need is in SSH and Preware. :) Nov 05 19:00:24 Nah, windows is better than linux at some things. Nov 05 19:00:33 dBsooner-work, yea at nothing Nov 05 19:00:34 like media/entertainment Nov 05 19:00:43 other than that... Nov 05 19:00:48 egaudet_work: ACPI for my Toshiba laptop Nov 05 19:00:54 thats why i keep a dual boot. win for gaming and linux for dev Nov 05 19:00:59 dBsooner-work, that's not windows being better Nov 05 19:01:08 that's a big load of false blame Nov 05 19:01:22 ok so package manager is already installed? Nov 05 19:01:23 egaudet_work: Its MS finding a work around where linux has chosen not to.. or hasn't. Nov 05 19:01:31 I just need to install preware? Nov 05 19:01:33 stupid bios bug they won't fix and just work with MS to make workaround Nov 05 19:01:43 NoDramaMama: yes Nov 05 19:01:58 so the bios doesn't operate as it should and is documented Nov 05 19:02:20 So, you don't take Drama, Mama? Nov 05 19:02:21 LOL Nov 05 19:02:35 I don't. Not at all. Just ask my kids. Nov 05 19:02:37 heh Nov 05 19:02:44 NoDramaMama, yea just install preware now Nov 05 19:02:46 should be good Nov 05 19:02:51 egaudet_work: OK.. WMV files with certain WMA9/10/11 audio formats Nov 05 19:03:01 WMV files should die Nov 05 19:03:06 egaudet_work: nope Nov 05 19:03:18 *kisses Eric* Nov 05 19:03:20 working! Nov 05 19:03:27 egaudet_work: found some wmv files last night that refused to play audio because of WMA9 audio codec Nov 05 19:03:48 :D awesome. Glad I could help! Nov 05 19:03:59 vlc doesnt work well with wmv... Nov 05 19:03:59 that's the first kiss from a girl he has gotten Nov 05 19:04:01 how sweet. Nov 05 19:04:09 haha Nov 05 19:04:12 oh, he's one of THOSE kind of geeks. Nov 05 19:04:26 gkatsev: none did.. I tried mplayer (gmplayer, smplayer, etc), VLC, totem, all Nov 05 19:04:28 there's hope, I married one! Nov 05 19:04:33 hahaha daniel the comedian Nov 05 19:04:39 :D Nov 05 19:04:50 off to Subway.. Lunch date with the wife. Nov 05 19:04:51 :p Nov 05 19:04:52 I'll be back later. Nov 05 19:05:00 THANK you both! Nov 05 19:05:04 dBsooner-work: weird... for me, vlc doesnt really work with jumpin on wmv files (on windows OR linux) Nov 05 19:05:23 well I don't use wmv files Nov 05 19:05:24 avi Nov 05 19:05:26 dBsooner-work: actually, i dont think any linux media player was really good at jumping with wmv files... Nov 05 19:05:41 egaudet_work: I can't tell the porn maker what to encode the file in.. Nov 05 19:06:30 egaudet_work: yeah, i prefer avi/mkv though, i keep forgetting to change the tekzilla feed from the wmv one to something better Nov 05 19:06:38 lalalalalalala and with that, she was gone, not wanting to go there, lol. Nov 05 19:06:56 dBsooner-work, then fix it yourself Nov 05 19:14:57 dont hate me for asking this Nov 05 19:15:05 but has anyone worked on an android port ? Nov 05 19:15:31 sportman: android on the pre hardware? Nov 05 19:15:48 would be cool to dual boot android 2.0/webos on the pre Nov 05 19:18:08 even so, wouldnt have to be a port Nov 05 19:20:17 i mean Nov 05 19:20:20 wouldnt have to be dual boot Nov 05 19:20:27 technically webos runs off of linux Nov 05 19:20:33 couldnt we just launch the gui Nov 05 19:20:36 or somehting? Nov 05 19:21:03 also any of you guys here any more about the flash beta? Nov 05 19:21:04 There are countless services that android uses (hell, a separate ipc stack even) that you would need to get working Nov 05 19:21:10 sportman: probably a different kernel Nov 05 19:21:56 chrisa good point, so dual boot may be a better idea Nov 05 19:21:57 lol Nov 05 19:29:52 great, my webos 1.2.1 upgrade proc'ed again. will be foreced on me teh next time i charge. i need to figue out how to roll out my patches before it updates... Nov 05 19:30:19 mikewx, it will do that forever until you fix it Nov 05 19:30:26 is there a known fix? Nov 05 19:30:30 last time this happened there wasn't one Nov 05 19:30:30 do you have mytether installed? Nov 05 19:30:56 yes teh free version, i seldom use it but i like to have it there just in case Nov 05 19:31:19 that is the SUSPECTED culprit Nov 05 19:31:27 :( Nov 05 19:31:30 depending on install method Nov 05 19:31:36 it uses ipkg install directly to / Nov 05 19:31:56 i have _very_ few other hacks installed. just built in app mods like rotated mail, launcher pages/icon sizes Nov 05 19:32:33 check out drnull's post here: Nov 05 19:32:34 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/207349-non-stop-1-2-1-updating-15.html Nov 05 19:32:54 mikewx, none of those other hacks should effect it Nov 05 19:33:07 the problem is SUSPECTED to be when using ipkg install command into the root directory Nov 05 19:33:19 so far only mytether installer script is known to do that Nov 05 19:35:25 Hrm Nov 05 19:35:31 I like my security blanket~ Nov 05 19:36:04 mikewx: I had another guy do 2 things last night and that got rid of the update notification for him... wanna try something? Nov 05 19:36:26 certainly. Nov 05 19:36:55 i have scary black screen installed, but otherwise i have no shell access to my phone atm (upgraded a few machnes ti w7-64 and haven't gotten dirvers installed) Nov 05 19:37:34 it's only a few commands, should be able to get by with scary black screen. :) Nov 05 19:37:39 cd /var/lib/software Nov 05 19:37:42 cp DmTree.xml DmTree.xml.orig Nov 05 19:37:47 cp DmTree.backup.xml DmTree.backup.xml Nov 05 19:37:57 echo -n 0 > state Nov 05 19:38:14 stop UpdateDaemon && start UpdateDaemon Nov 05 19:38:45 wtb: bluetooth keyboard Nov 05 19:40:20 drnull: "cp DmTree.backup.xml DmTree.backup.xml" doesn't make sense, should it be "cp DmTree.backup.xml DmTree.xml" ? Nov 05 19:41:04 PuffTheMagic -- attempting to install http://preyourmind.org/files/ws.junk.wirc_0.0.2_all.ipk -- error reading control file Nov 05 19:41:15 sorry. :) cp DmTree.backup.xml DmTree.backup.xml.orig Nov 05 19:41:31 wont' that overright the backup we made in step 1? Nov 05 19:41:37 Rick_work: hmm i made that with palm-package Nov 05 19:41:41 letme make a new one Nov 05 19:41:50 mikewx: DmTree.xml.orig vs DmTree.backup.xml.orig Nov 05 19:41:59 oh, ok duh Nov 05 19:42:26 mikewx: I don't know exactly why there's a backup file, but I just figured we should keep them both backed up in case, oh, you know, come 1.3.1 update time we aren't able to get updates. :) Nov 05 19:43:02 I foolishly deleted mine, but others can learn from my mistake. :) Nov 05 19:43:23 how do you make > in keyboard? :P Nov 05 19:44:23 shift then period Nov 05 19:44:26 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Terminal Nov 05 19:45:47 the new version of term has it in the menu Nov 05 19:45:55 Rick_work: i reuploaded it Nov 05 19:45:57 try that one Nov 05 19:46:03 i installed it my self Nov 05 19:46:05 so it should work Nov 05 19:46:18 hrm shift+. not working Nov 05 19:46:21 * mikewx scratches head Nov 05 19:46:46 make sure gesture and/or oragne are not "ON" Nov 05 19:46:46 mikewx: in terminal or somewhere else? Nov 05 19:47:01 terminal Nov 05 19:47:09 mikewx: hmm, works for me? Maybe you have an old terminal app? What are your app menu choices? Nov 05 19:47:28 oh i'm sure it's old Nov 05 19:47:31 PuffTheMagic installed. What's the easist way to check that it ran? Nov 05 19:47:33 is gesture on? Nov 05 19:47:34 menu is respawn and preferences Nov 05 19:48:01 no (white led right?) Nov 05 19:48:08 top left of terminal Nov 05 19:48:09 mikewx: yep, that's an old terminal (I should have guessed when you said scary black screen Nov 05 19:48:11 make sure nothing is in yellow Nov 05 19:48:19 then press shift . Nov 05 19:48:30 but yea update your term :P Nov 05 19:48:31 i've been too busy to hackon pre for a couple months :) Nov 05 19:48:40 so i can't do > with old version then? Nov 05 19:48:51 *shrugs* I honestly don't know. :( Nov 05 19:48:58 kk im gonna assume no Nov 05 19:49:25 can anyone tell me if there is an updated novacomd driver for win7-64 yet? or the old edit inf extract/repackage workaround still the best there is? Nov 05 19:51:15 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Accessing_Linux The procedure section on the right indicates that you should be able to get novaterm on 64 bit working. Nov 05 19:52:01 ah hell it's a slow day at work lets see what we can do! Nov 05 19:52:32 Also, I forgot to mention, before doing the stop UpdateDaemon && start UpdateDaemon you might want to "rm DmTree.xml" and "rm DmTree.backup.xml". I don't think it will go grab new copies if they are already there. Nov 05 19:53:17 Just make sure you don't lose the .orig files in case you need them in the future. Nov 05 19:54:57 Hi Nov 05 19:55:05 willdo tnx Nov 05 19:55:55 mikewx: just tested on my Pre, looks like if you move the state file out of the way, UpdateDaemon will startup assuming it is in state 0. so "mv state state.orig" should keep you from having to do the "echo -n 0 > state" command. Nov 05 19:57:57 Rick_work: check if what ran? Nov 05 19:58:11 Rick_work: use LunaManager to do a rescan Nov 05 19:58:20 and you should see wIRC in there Nov 05 19:58:32 Rick_work: and it should work if you installed the service Nov 05 19:58:37 and ran the postinst Nov 05 19:58:46 woot Nov 05 19:59:44 PuffTheMagic should this auto identd? Nov 05 19:59:59 Rick_work: I know its NDA and all.. but do you have access to 1.3.1? Nov 05 20:00:11 yes Nov 05 20:00:47 Rick_work: takin it to pm cuz of NDA Nov 05 20:01:48 what should i do to get access to 1.3.1? Nov 05 20:01:48 :> Nov 05 20:01:58 if i'm not a developer? Nov 05 20:02:14 en0x: try to convince Chuq? Or wait? That's about all you can do really. Nov 05 20:02:37 i can give him a kitkat Nov 05 20:04:00 LOL Nov 05 20:05:38 drnull: ok, ran your instructions finally Nov 05 20:05:55 I like that the response to an NDA was "I'll ask you in secret" Nov 05 20:06:01 it seemst o have forgotten that i need to update to 1.2.1 Nov 05 20:06:06 thanks! Nov 05 20:06:11 * mikewx needs to update terminal now Nov 05 20:06:26 chrisa: No.. you can talk about it amongst other people inside the NDA Nov 05 20:06:48 IF someone is not in the group, you cannot talk about it. :D Nov 05 20:07:18 but I usually don't talk about it anyway.. i just asked him if he tried webosdoctoring, that's all. Nov 05 20:08:32 mikewx: cool, good to see it work for somebody else. Best I can tell, the entire /var/lib/software directory is built on the fly, so hopefully we'll never need those .orig files, and once 1.3.x comes out we will update just fine. Nov 05 20:08:45 Rick_work: put your identify password in the "server password" field..... freenode has a special trick to auto-identify you befor joining any channels so that your cloak gets applied first Nov 05 20:09:04 the "auto-identy" fields in wirc dont do anything but are only needed for non-freenode networks Nov 05 20:09:13 they will do something someday though ;) Nov 05 20:13:06 PuffTheMagic so I do not do auto-identfy? Nov 05 20:13:34 right just put the passworkd you would normally use in the server password field Nov 05 20:13:43 and you will get auto identified by freenode Nov 05 20:13:55 that works with any client fyi Nov 05 20:14:47 Ok Nov 05 20:15:07 rick-pre: of course that nick needs to be grouped with your main account or registered Nov 05 20:15:12 Does the password save? Nov 05 20:15:17 yeah Nov 05 20:15:26 Ok Nov 05 20:15:42 So I can group this identity... Nov 05 20:15:46 yes Nov 05 20:15:50 that's how you do it Nov 05 20:16:18 I am only seeing my own posts on the pre. Nov 05 20:16:37 did you let it sleep?" Nov 05 20:16:46 No Nov 05 20:17:05 hmm Nov 05 20:17:14 I need to set up a boncer tho... Nov 05 20:17:21 can i just download an ipkgservice from git to myt pre and compile it there? Nov 05 20:17:47 * dBsooner-work does too.. but he needs to know what a bouncer is first. Nov 05 20:20:07 bouncer is a guy at a club who can kick u out if u r drunk Nov 05 20:20:19 mmmm Nov 05 20:20:20 been there Nov 05 20:20:34 me too Nov 05 20:20:34 :P Nov 05 20:20:40 i know rod uses an IRC bouncer Nov 05 20:34:24 wow terminal sure has changed since scary black screen Nov 05 20:42:02 yes it has Nov 05 20:44:38 i feel like i've left the prehistoric period and i'm now in the dark ages, I have preware installed :) Nov 05 20:44:50 i need to get back to pre sometime soon~ Nov 05 20:52:31 morning Nov 05 20:54:02 morning rwhitby Nov 05 20:54:08 rwhitby: I need some help later Nov 05 20:59:24 dBsooner-work: sure Nov 05 20:59:56 rwhitby: I want to know how to make a 1.3.1 branch in modifications so I can commit a patch that only works on 1.3.1 Nov 05 21:00:22 I only see 1.1.3 and master branches in gitweb Nov 05 21:01:18 dBsooner-work: look again Nov 05 21:04:55 rwhitby: ahh.. you did that last night Nov 05 21:05:02 rwhitby I don't get it Nov 05 21:05:16 git checkout webos-1.1.3 doesn't work Nov 05 21:05:18 rwhitby: so do I "checkout -b webos-1.3.1" Nov 05 21:05:25 -b creates the branch I believe Nov 05 21:05:34 no, -b creates a local branch Nov 05 21:05:54 ...? Nov 05 21:06:02 shrug Nov 05 21:06:32 so I checkout the branch, make my changes, commit them, push, create tag v.1.3.1-XX, push --tags, then git checkout master to move back/ Nov 05 21:07:12 I want to know how to get the branches Nov 05 21:11:41 I don't know why you don't get all branches when you pull. Maybe Puffy knows more about that. Nov 05 21:12:20 did you push them? Nov 05 21:13:07 I don't know how to work with branches period Nov 05 21:13:09 :) Nov 05 21:13:26 that's why i wanted rwhitby to tell me how to commit a patch to 1.3.1 Nov 05 21:13:31 that has the SAME NAME as 1.2.1 Nov 05 21:13:41 rwhitby when i try to clone new repo it says "fatal: http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/modifications/info/refs not found: did you run git update-server-info on server? Nov 05 21:13:43 i had to change some stuff to make it work in 1.3.1, so they are the same name Nov 05 21:13:59 dBsooner-work, branches are easy Nov 05 21:14:01 egaudet_work: they don't support http:// access Nov 05 21:14:02 it's like a tree Nov 05 21:14:03 with a branch Nov 05 21:14:19 two branches can have 2 leafs that look exactly like (same name) but are on different branches so they are different Nov 05 21:14:29 but in theory Nov 05 21:14:35 we have a master Nov 05 21:14:39 which is 1.2.1 branch? Nov 05 21:14:57 and then we have a 1.3.1 branch and a 1.1.3 branch. Nov 05 21:14:58 dBsooner-work: master will change based on what the current latest public webOS release is Nov 05 21:15:20 when 1.3.1 is released, we will move master to 1.2.1 and move 1.3.1 to master Nov 05 21:15:22 cloning doesn't get the branches either Nov 05 21:15:44 rwhitby: so my "working directory" (modifications) which as the .git in it.. those files "transform" when I checkout different branches, correct? Nov 05 21:15:47 egaudet_work: perhaps it doesn't get anything until there's a commit or tag special to that branch Nov 05 21:15:55 dBsooner-work: yes Nov 05 21:16:14 rwhitby: and I have to put the TAG on the branch? Nov 05 21:16:16 egaudet_work: I'd say create a new branch of the same name locally, and then try and push Nov 05 21:16:36 rwhitby, want to try to touch a file on one of those branches and push? Nov 05 21:16:40 see if we pick it up then? Nov 05 21:16:45 dBsooner-work: yes - a tag simply points to a sha1 number, and the tips of different branches have different sha1 numbers Nov 05 21:17:00 egaudet_work: do you get the 1.1.3 branch? Nov 05 21:17:28 so I do the "git tag v1.3.1-2 && git push --tags" while i have the webos-1.3.1 branch checked out? Nov 05 21:17:37 then I can "git checkout master" to move back? Nov 05 21:17:42 i can't see 1.1.3 branch either Nov 05 21:17:45 dBsooner-work: yes Nov 05 21:19:01 rwhitby: ok Nov 05 21:19:09 rwhitby: so I'll try it all when I get home Nov 05 21:19:10 ;) Nov 05 21:25:32 mornin' all Nov 05 21:26:08 silly aussies Nov 05 21:26:15 don't you all know its still the middle of the afternoon? Nov 05 21:26:42 Silly? HAH! We are AHEAD OF TIME pal :P Nov 05 21:26:44 beat that Nov 05 21:27:05 Shits already happened here... you're old news ;) Nov 05 21:27:56 yep, it's great except that when the universe blows up we'll be the first to go ... Nov 05 21:28:46 heh, rather that than watch it all happen. Nov 05 21:29:25 Got an answer from O2: Nov 05 21:29:34 thank you very much for your email. Nov 05 21:29:34 It only would be possible to send the palm pre to australia when somone in germany obtain it Nov 05 21:29:38 by a o2 my handy contract. We can not ship that in a foreign country. Nov 05 21:29:50 It is also possible to pay the whole price directly. Nov 05 21:30:00 But in case of warranty you would have to send back the devise to the owner of my handy contract to repair it. If you want to do it in australia, you wuld have to pay for it. Nov 05 21:30:08 That's all a bit confusing actually Nov 05 21:30:11 Yeah, exactly rwhitby.. I get to enjoy life for an extra 15 hours. ;) Nov 05 21:30:33 It kinda reads like they firstly say you have to go on a my handy, and be a local... and then not Nov 05 21:30:50 dBsooner-work: yeah, but that would just be 15 hours of CNN replaying australia being disintegrated .. Nov 05 21:31:27 heh Nov 05 21:31:42 How do others read taht? Nov 05 21:32:14 lingfish: I read it as we can't ship to australia, and if you want to get warranty the person in germany who bought it has to bring it in. Nov 05 21:33:45 k Nov 05 21:34:14 Well, I received a refreshing, promising mail from eXpansys too, so I think that'll be the route I take Nov 05 21:36:42 * rwhitby bbl Nov 05 22:08:56 can anyone point me in the direction of wirc? Nov 05 22:10:41 FuMan: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:WIRC Nov 05 22:11:35 hrm, couldnt find that in the app list Nov 05 22:11:37 or searching Nov 05 22:11:46 i fail Nov 05 22:11:55 it's not released Nov 05 22:12:23 but shouldnt it be searchable on the wiki O_o? Nov 05 22:12:40 install understanding that it is under intense development and is not released yet (i.e. will need to manually remove before installing released version via preware) Nov 05 22:13:00 FuMan, I guess. The wiki search is funny, haven't looked into it though Nov 05 22:13:20 heh, getting errors trying to install it anyway, so i may be cut off at the pass :) Nov 05 22:13:36 by defual it seaches Main Nov 05 22:13:49 and it's not linked to main yet I guess Nov 05 22:14:15 in search if you check Application box then search it comes up Nov 05 22:14:30 rror reading control file installing the service, normal? Nov 05 22:14:57 error, rather Nov 05 22:14:59 probably not Nov 05 22:15:32 its a sign then Nov 05 22:15:36 ill check back later in development Nov 05 22:16:00 nice lookin icon though :) Nov 05 22:16:24 how did you install it btw ? Nov 05 22:16:43 webos quick install Nov 05 22:16:50 couldnt get the arm7 to go though Nov 05 22:17:40 haha, tab complete, nickserv, popout font and metion highlight Nov 05 22:17:45 wow, this sucker is pretty far in dev Nov 05 22:17:48 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application_talk:WIRC Nov 05 22:17:59 feel free to throw the installation issue in the talk page Nov 05 22:18:13 * FuMan lacks creditials Nov 05 22:18:18 dont you have to be authorized these days? Nov 05 22:18:20 yea development has been pretty intense on this, beta release looks pretty near Nov 05 22:18:40 uhh I dunno I thought just need to register/login Nov 05 22:21:15 woo Nov 05 22:21:24 that was my first wiki edit evar. Nov 05 22:22:10 :) Nov 05 22:22:44 FuMan: congrats. just be careful, wiki editing is almost like crack Nov 05 22:23:54 hi Nov 05 22:24:53 i need some help with preware, when i try to install apps it dies with wget telling me that its geting garbage content Nov 05 22:25:50 what is specific error Nov 05 22:26:36 wget: content-length 388 is garbage Nov 05 22:27:09 need more info surrounding err Nov 05 22:27:17 what it was trying to wget from where etc.. Nov 05 22:27:28 ipkg dies with return value 22 Nov 05 22:28:13 i was trying to install internalz, same error with batterymonitor Nov 05 22:28:30 that's on a gsm pre with 1.1.3 os Nov 05 22:30:07 there is no other ipkg log info other than return and content-length error? Nov 05 22:31:05 nope, basicaly ipkg dies because the wget command it spawns dies with this garbage error Nov 05 22:32:08 there isn't any info on what ipk it was trying to get from what address etc.../ Nov 05 22:32:09 ? Nov 05 22:32:15 screenshot please Nov 05 22:33:33 there is, but i already checked that, the package is available Nov 05 22:34:04 were can i get the patch for 1.1.3? Nov 05 22:34:12 sorry hello to you all Nov 05 22:35:01 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/precentral/palm_.futurepr0n.batterymonitor_1.0.0_all.ipk Nov 05 22:35:33 oops...forgot the "com." **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Nov 05 22:35:36 2009 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Nov 05 22:46:16 2009 Nov 05 22:47:36 sorry, killed my wifi Nov 05 22:48:02 preware needs a button to save logs, gimme a sec to stitch those screenshots together Nov 05 22:56:08 DarkSpecter: are you on GSM? Nov 05 22:56:38 DarkSpecter: if so, use wifi instead. There is a known problem with wget and GSM/UMTS that we have not been able to diagnose yet. We suspect it may even be carrier-specific. Nov 05 22:57:01 rwhitby: "we". you got a mouse in your pocket? Nov 05 22:57:52 dBsooner-work: "we" == me and the guy who I was debugging it with Nov 05 22:58:19 rwhitby: ahh.. I was like, "Aren't you the only SME on this?" Nov 05 22:58:26 SME = Subject Matter Expert. Nov 05 22:58:46 so there was no use in abbreviating then eh Nov 05 22:58:53 well, just in case Nov 05 22:58:56 you just added 9 unnecessary bytes Nov 05 22:59:01 sorry 10 Nov 05 22:59:05 :P Nov 05 22:59:24 I have been talking with my brother on Facebook chat (he's in kzygstan (something like that)" Nov 05 22:59:36 And he uses a ton of abbreviations Nov 05 22:59:43 OFT = Own Frickin Time Nov 05 23:00:28 ~kcik egaudet_wirc Nov 05 23:00:36 ~kick egaudet_wirc Nov 05 23:00:37 * infobot kicks egaudet_wirc Nov 05 23:03:05 rwhitby: thx, that fixed it, so it's either umts or vodafone germany that messed with me ;) Nov 05 23:03:19 next time you highlight me... maybe put some dBsooner autoban in wIRC code ! Nov 05 23:03:29 DarkSpecter: yeah - do you have the skills and knowledge to debug any further? Nov 05 23:03:36 ~punch egaudet_wirc Nov 05 23:03:37 * infobot lets fly with a wild haymaker which catches egaudet_wirc right on the nose Nov 05 23:03:45 ROFL.. That's two. :D Nov 05 23:04:09 dBsooner-work: do we have a 1.3.1 checkbox on the patch submission form? Nov 05 23:04:17 dBsooner-work, go say hi to #wirc Nov 05 23:04:18 yep Nov 05 23:04:21 added it this morning rwhitby Nov 05 23:05:26 rwhitby: no idea, linux skills should be no problem, but i know nothing about gsm/umts, plus my myin linux box just died a few days ago Nov 05 23:05:54 DarkSpecter, rwhitby: is it just wget? Or is it data in general? Nov 05 23:07:10 DarkSpecter: any chance of doing a netcat or something to another box, to see whether it's site related or size related or something else? Nov 05 23:07:48 DarkSpecter: or perhaps install tcpdump from optware and capture the conversation between wget and the web server? Nov 05 23:08:15 rwhitby: is it just wget? Nov 05 23:08:22 dBsooner-work: dunno Nov 05 23:08:27 rwhitby: like i said, my linux box is dead, plus my pre isnt rooted yet, just got it Nov 05 23:08:32 rwhitby: the reason I ask.. maybe they are blocking port 80 unless its going to certain sites. Nov 05 23:09:00 or their "mobile internet" isn't designed to go to an internet backbone? Nov 05 23:09:06 dBsooner-work: that's why I want the tcpdump of the http request and response Nov 05 23:09:27 why nut run a simple traceroute first Nov 05 23:09:27 dBsooner-work: dont think so, the APN i'm using shouldnt be filtered, at least thats what vodafone told me Nov 05 23:09:47 to make sure the phone can physically connect to the server through UDP Nov 05 23:10:37 besides, the size of the garbage data wget reports differs depending on the ipkg i tried to install, doesnt look like a generic 404 message Nov 05 23:11:19 DarkSpecter: right Nov 05 23:11:56 DarkSpecter: describe garbage data? Nov 05 23:12:17 is it not saving whatever it is? Shouldn't it be HTML? Nov 05 23:12:51 like wifi intercept pages.. when you connect to wifi and try to get on the internet, it redirects you to a page first to accept the terms.. Nov 05 23:13:12 i wonder if the "Garbage" is an HTML output of some "proxy" saying you can't do that. Nov 05 23:15:15 dBsooner-work: sec, i'm trying to reproduce this once more Nov 05 23:16:11 interesting, i disabled wifi and then installed terminal, worked Nov 05 23:16:40 odd Nov 05 23:16:51 reboot it Nov 05 23:18:23 wget: content-length 388 is garbage Nov 05 23:19:24 interesting Nov 05 23:19:27 and it saved no output? Nov 05 23:19:51 just trying to get there in the pre terminal ... Nov 05 23:20:51 it sounds like it is going to be beyond my scope in this circumstance.. Looks like they might be doing header manipulation or something. But that's unlikely. Definitely odd. Nov 05 23:21:38 nope, the file in tmp wget was supposed to download to isnt there Nov 05 23:22:14 let me run that wget manualy and dump the output to this lill terminal Nov 05 23:22:40 yeah, that would be cool Nov 05 23:26:48 AnOutsider|AFK: Nov 05 23:28:53 ...any way to use terminal history O.o Nov 05 23:35:30 DarkSpecter: what doy ou mean/ Nov 05 23:37:08 dBsooner-work: gesture+2 ;) Nov 05 23:37:56 dBsooner-work: sorry, on the terminal all wget tells me is the same as in the log, and -d isnt available Nov 05 23:38:33 DarkSpecter: do you have optware-bootstrap installed? Nov 05 23:39:29 rwhitby: doubt it unless something pulled it in as a dep Nov 05 23:39:54 this pre is new so it still lacks all the fun stuff Nov 05 23:40:12 DarkSpecter: no, it's a manual install - see the webos-internals wiki on getting linux access next steps Nov 05 23:40:17 http://get.preware.org/ Nov 05 23:47:11 rwhitby: sounds interesting, but i'll have to postpone that, it's already 1am over here and i need to get some sleep before i go to work Nov 05 23:47:24 rwhitby: can you explain your "irc bouncer" to me? Nov 05 23:47:51 but i'll try to find out more tomorrow Nov 05 23:49:17 dBsooner-work: it's called 'bip' Nov 05 23:49:25 dBsooner-work: standard package in CentOS and Ubuntu Nov 05 23:49:34 nite guys Nov 05 23:49:41 night DarkSpecter Nov 05 23:50:41 rwhitby: cool thanks Nov 05 23:53:30 Looks like Canadian GSM data plans are moving towards what Australian plans are: http://www.precentral.net/bell-performs-unlimited-data-plannectomy Nov 05 23:53:45 that sucks Nov 05 23:54:14 heh - there has never been unlimited data plans in Australia, so that's life here. Nov 06 00:08:51 the preware installer uses precomd or whatever right? Nov 06 00:08:54 doesn't need the doctor? Nov 06 00:09:02 rwhitby, ^^ Nov 06 00:10:09 egaudet: it needs the class files from the doctor I believe Nov 06 00:10:17 (for the java installer) Nov 06 00:10:27 for the windows exe, I don't think it does. Nov 06 00:31:16 hey, i was wondering how to go about geting the pre to plug into a USB hard drive w/ a female adapter, and make the pre the master, and the device the slave, allowing you to pull data off? Nov 06 00:33:27 http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/181552/palm_shows_ares_webos_development_tool.html - is this old news ? Nov 06 00:33:35 latta, does the hard drive support OTG ? Nov 06 00:34:10 bpadalino: if you have the proper cable, any device will work with an OTG host Nov 06 00:34:37 is the pre setup to do OTG? Nov 06 00:34:43 unfortunately nobody's gotten host mode or USB OTG on the pre to work properly yet. I've gotten it to supply power to a device plugged into it with a special cable but it won't enumerate anything from it Nov 06 00:34:45 and become the host ? Nov 06 00:34:54 ah Nov 06 00:35:12 sounds bad for latta :) Nov 06 00:35:42 like say an ipod Nov 06 00:36:01 or a standard wd external drive Nov 06 00:36:52 latta: it'll be possible as soon as someone figures out how to get the linux kernel on the pre working properly to do it. I have gotten the pre to switch into OTG mode and plugged in a device and it gets powered up, but won't connect to the device Nov 06 00:37:24 sweet Nov 06 00:38:10 is there a list somewhere of luna-send comands or something? I can't seem to find any references Nov 06 00:40:34 to see the usb mode: cat /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc.0/mode Nov 06 00:40:34 echo otg > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc.0/mode Nov 06 00:40:34 (to switch it to on the go mode -- but then you'll need a usb B male to usb standard female cable to make OTG work) -- again, even that only powers up the device at this point Nov 06 00:41:32 destinal: is that cause gadget drivers are loaded? Nov 06 00:41:44 rwhitby: possibly Nov 06 00:44:28 so you can't mount and raw-copy the data over or something yet Nov 06 00:45:55 latta: not yet Nov 06 00:48:03 latta: you can't even enumerate the USB device yet. So you're about 10 steps away from mounting anything. Nov 06 00:48:53 eh, powering up a usb device is cool enough Nov 06 01:22:19 Hi all Nov 06 01:23:30 sgrade school music program Nov 06 01:25:09 Well... Can not see responses wird still alpha... Nov 06 01:28:40 rwhitby ping Nov 06 01:43:03 dBsooner: yep Nov 06 01:59:01 weee Nov 06 02:12:33 Templarian: ping Nov 06 02:15:20 hey, anyone have an info on the 1.3.1 release? (any expected dates) Nov 06 02:16:28 tomorrow Nov 06 02:16:59 I heard a rumour that it happened yesterday. Nov 06 02:17:05 lol Nov 06 02:17:07 today! Nov 06 02:17:25 :P Nov 06 02:17:32 thanks for the info :P Nov 06 02:17:37 Decimate: any time ;-) Nov 06 02:17:43 oil: pong. Nov 06 02:17:54 im gonna work on a patch to loop launcher pages so when you get to the last one, and try to go farther, it goes to the first Nov 06 02:17:55 any chance of 2 small icons Nov 06 02:17:57 anyone for/against this? Nov 06 02:17:59 for wirc Nov 06 02:18:11 for channel/query dashboard icons Nov 06 02:18:15 Decimate: how long did it take from reports of the start of the last beta program to the 1.2 release? Nov 06 02:18:31 16x16 right? Nov 06 02:18:39 24x24 i think Nov 06 02:18:45 but Nov 06 02:18:51 rwhitby: no idea :P Nov 06 02:18:54 i think its 32x32 in the "full size dashbard" Nov 06 02:19:00 since i would also want to display it there Nov 06 02:19:02 so color is fine Nov 06 02:19:20 oh, im wrong Nov 06 02:19:28 48x48 is how big it is in the dashboard Nov 06 02:19:33 Decimate: I would expect it would take about the same amount of time this time around ;-) Nov 06 02:20:08 whats a good program to look at js files for windows? Nov 06 02:20:16 notepad Nov 06 02:20:49 oil: have a screenshot so I have context? Nov 06 02:21:38 Decimate: Eclipse Nov 06 02:21:39 oh the banners/dashboards? Nov 06 02:22:03 rwhitby: bad, we do not support that. Nov 06 02:22:19 Templarian: who's "we", whiteman? Nov 06 02:22:21 (hehe, but in a serious tone where you don't think you should laugh) Nov 06 02:22:56 * zsoc trys to think of what C editor he used when he used windows.... so long... ago... Nov 06 02:23:00 * rwhitby wonders whether that phrase is politically incorrect these days ... Nov 06 02:23:09 I seem to remember there being a windows equivalent of gedit Nov 06 02:23:10 oil: I never installed wirc been lazy. Nov 06 02:23:30 rwhitby, it's fairly offensive, but only to native americans Nov 06 02:23:51 besides, it's a movie quote Nov 06 02:23:55 * rwhitby apologises to anyone offended Nov 06 02:26:14 java preware installer is sexy Nov 06 02:26:59 Templarian: http://i38.tinypic.com/rk39lc.png Nov 06 02:27:20 the same icon would be used in each spot Nov 06 02:27:23 but 2 different ones Nov 06 02:27:34 one for channel, one for query/msg Nov 06 02:28:11 at 48x48 Nov 06 02:29:01 So just 2 different 48x48 icons? Nov 06 02:29:10 yeah Nov 06 02:29:14 they should look roughly the same Nov 06 02:29:14 are the early release developers under NDA? Nov 06 02:29:30 zsoc: many. Nov 06 02:29:33 but be different enough to be able to easilly se the two different parts Nov 06 02:29:45 Templarian, ah, so in theory you all know the new API's, but can't say anything? Nov 06 02:30:12 I've been to busy I don't have it, but a lot do. Probably could have. Nov 06 02:32:23 rwhitby: ping Nov 06 02:32:50 dBsooner: 12:13 rwhitby: dBsooner: yep Nov 06 02:32:54 lol Nov 06 02:32:57 This is a new one Nov 06 02:33:18 you didn't say anything for the old one .... Nov 06 02:33:30 * rwhitby mumbles about crying wolf ... Nov 06 02:33:52 I can't get bip to work right.. As you can see (dBsooner-AFK) it is connected. But I keep getting it invalid credentials trying to connect to it. Nov 06 02:34:15 its user:password:network right? Nov 06 02:34:34 I see it is passing all 3 just fine, and I KNOW the password is right.. Nov 06 02:35:26 dBsooner: did you set the password in the bip.conf correctly using bipmkpw ? Nov 06 02:35:37 i used bipgenconfig Nov 06 02:35:41 but I'll change it Nov 06 02:36:06 so rwhitby, you have the 1.3.1 emulator image, right? Nov 06 02:36:43 think i found my problem Nov 06 02:37:00 brb Nov 06 02:39:07 There. Nov 06 02:39:41 Decimate: unfortunately, I am no longer able to confirm or deny that. Nov 06 02:40:35 rwhitby: why don't you put that in the title, "No 1.3.1 SDK Talk" Nov 06 02:40:45 s/title/topic/ Nov 06 02:40:45 dBsooner meant: rwhitby: why don't you put that in the topic, "No 1.3.1 SDK Talk" Nov 06 02:41:33 rick_home: ping Nov 06 02:42:38 rwhitby: do you have multiple "users" for BIP? Nov 06 02:42:54 like "rwhitby", "rwhitby-work",etc? Nov 06 02:44:34 no Nov 06 02:45:24 you just always connect to your BIP connection? Nov 06 02:45:32 and authenticate through as rwhitby? Nov 06 02:45:52 yes Nov 06 02:45:59 cool Nov 06 02:46:06 now let's do this 1.3.1 branch thing Nov 06 02:47:40 git pull: * [new branch] webos-1.3.1 -> origin/webos-1.3.1 Nov 06 02:49:05 git checkout origin/webos-1.3.1 Nov 06 02:49:23 that said: Note: moving to 'origin/webos-1.3.1' which isn't a local branch.. Nov 06 02:49:33 do I need to recheck it out as a lcoal branch (-b)? Nov 06 02:50:20 yep, i did Nov 06 02:50:46 dBsooner: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/471300/git-switch-branch-without-detaching-head should help Nov 06 02:51:03 git is maddening sometimes. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Nov 06 02:59:57 2009