**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 10 02:59:57 2009 Nov 10 03:04:13 oil, did you write the executeCMD function for ipkgservice? Nov 10 03:29:13 hey, has anyone found out how to get past the prompts for web interfaces like utorrent or songbird when accessing from the pre? Nov 10 03:29:27 it just keeps prompting for the username, password even though its correct Nov 10 03:41:29 how about a browser plugin based backend for sdl? Nov 10 03:44:43 ameng, not sure this is your side of the bargain, but did we ever figure out how to wrap directfb into a plugin for an app/card? Nov 10 03:49:54 directfb plugin is there though not perfect Nov 10 03:50:27 ameng: is the git repo and wiki page up to date on that, so that someone can build it? Nov 10 03:51:41 rwhitby, in theory... i've built and tested the directfbsink plugin/element for gstreamer... Nov 10 03:52:37 rwhitby: not up to date so far Nov 10 03:52:55 zsoc: without luan? Nov 10 03:53:11 luna Nov 10 03:53:56 ameng, well that's the issue, it won't be useful to me if i need to kill luna to make it work :) When I say I've tested it, I mean in runtime it works, but I have no place to sink it to Nov 10 03:55:33 ameng: are you able to update the repo with latest code you have? Nov 10 03:58:35 I think without 2d/3d hardware acceleration, games and videos makes little sense Nov 10 03:58:44 rwhitby: sure Nov 10 03:59:30 ameng, well, what i'm doing already works on the pre's hardware :) Nov 10 04:01:02 zsoc: but with luna running , i think that would turn bad Nov 10 04:01:47 ameng, well, i'm more simulating something luna already does... trying to get a sink/pipeline from the camera without using the palm proprietary camd service Nov 10 04:02:23 we should figure out what ioctl for framebuffer ops webos use Nov 10 04:03:01 That I do not know :) I could help, maybe, I'd have to read some documentation... Nov 10 04:06:52 kernel source exists? the ioctl interface for framebuffer should be there Nov 10 04:07:20 <_droO> palms taking forever getting back to me about driver source Nov 10 04:07:21 <_droO> !:/ Nov 10 04:07:30 _droO, what driver source? Nov 10 04:07:34 <_droO> wifi Nov 10 04:07:35 <_droO> ;] Nov 10 04:07:49 er... why would they release it to you? are there gpl elements? Nov 10 04:07:51 <_droO> they claim its not gpl, but if u do modinfo sd8xxx it says gpl Nov 10 04:08:01 <_droO> the drivers = gpl, the firmware is properitary Nov 10 04:08:10 <_droO> but im not an expert on gpl Nov 10 04:08:11 <_droO> ;\ Nov 10 04:08:45 _droO, hm. well from what you're saying they would have to release it, but there could be other elements that are unknown. they might have changed the code entirely, all you have to rely on is the modinfo utility, that may be inaccurate Nov 10 04:08:53 <_droO> proprietary even Nov 10 04:09:04 <_droO> ya true Nov 10 04:09:21 <_droO> but im 99.9% positive they are just using the regular libertas_sdio Nov 10 04:09:27 <_droO> and may of patched it Nov 10 04:12:18 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9WTOsQamXA Nov 10 04:12:22 ENJOY! :) Nov 10 04:12:59 _droO, well... they get to make the decision ultimately :) Nov 10 04:13:39 <_droO> ya, they are just taking forever to email me back ;/ Nov 10 04:14:16 SMKOUT333, im unsure the purpose of that video? Nov 10 04:14:17 _droO: I thought you said they claimed it was not GPL ... Nov 10 04:14:33 1.3.1 on pixi was just released Nov 10 04:14:34 <_droO> thats what they originally said, but said were still checking on it Nov 10 04:14:42 SMKOUT333, oh. i see. Nov 10 04:14:45 Means we pre people shall recieve it soon! Nov 10 04:14:46 :D Nov 10 04:15:58 SMKOUT333, was that video taken by you? Nov 10 04:16:06 No sir Nov 10 04:16:25 Taken by Bruba Nov 10 04:17:00 ah ok. Nov 10 04:17:38 Good news though :) Nov 10 04:17:56 who's Bruba? Nov 10 04:19:55 last post of http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/213707-1-3-1-officially-pixi-our-update-coming-soon.html Nov 10 04:19:59 :D Nov 10 04:20:10 hes been around for awhile :) Nov 10 04:27:16 * kesne bbl Nov 10 04:50:56 alrighty guys. heres one for ya Nov 10 04:51:11 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9WTOsQamXA Nov 10 04:51:38 at 1:28 in the precentral card the badkitty app has a video "box", my pre doesnt show this :D Nov 10 04:51:45 SMKOUT333, do yo know this guy? Nov 10 04:52:45 we spoke a bit in the past, not on a personal level, no Nov 10 04:52:59 hm Nov 10 04:59:37 nothing at 128 Nov 10 05:01:14 yes Nov 10 05:06:16 native text forwarding as well Nov 10 05:07:58 newer facebook app too! Nov 10 05:49:24 +egaudet, is it possible to make an app call the virtual keyboard and make inputs on it go to whichever text box is the focus? Nov 10 05:49:58 i mean without any additional screen presses. Nov 10 05:54:39 yea preston Nov 10 05:54:42 it's a widget Nov 10 05:54:56 thanks Nov 10 05:56:21 so you can do something like this.controller.createDynamicWidget('VirtualKeyboard', {selectionTarget: }) Nov 10 06:02:15 * rwhitby didn't get a GSM Pre, just a second Touchstone Nov 10 06:25:57 wIRC was just released? Nov 10 06:26:00 https://twitter.com/webosinternals/status/5582405806 Nov 10 06:26:32 yeah, i noticed ;) Nov 10 06:26:39 freakout: you can get a scoop while PreCentral is asleep ;-) Nov 10 06:26:47 yep! Nov 10 06:27:56 the real question is, will it work on 1.1.3? Nov 10 06:27:59 It didn't last time I tried Nov 10 06:28:06 but that may have just been a bad version Nov 10 06:29:23 last version update is listed as November 5 on the wiki... Nov 10 06:31:40 freakout: wirc officially beta released Nov 10 06:31:42 fyi Nov 10 06:32:11 oil: heh Nov 10 06:32:15 On it! Nov 10 06:32:21 :) Nov 10 06:32:23 Wiki says last version is November 5, oil Nov 10 06:32:27 true? Nov 10 06:32:33 or just lazy? :p Nov 10 06:32:47 (lazy wiki updating, that is) Nov 10 06:33:03 yeah, lazy wiki Nov 10 06:33:05 lol Nov 10 06:33:37 Just installed on Pre, about to fire it up and see if it works this time.. Nov 10 06:33:47 lazy wiki? is there a greedy wiki? Nov 10 06:33:55 will fill in the page for you@ Nov 10 06:33:59 s/@/!/ Nov 10 06:34:00 gkatsev meant: will fill in the page for you! Nov 10 06:35:17 feel free Nov 10 06:35:24 the template is a little busted Nov 10 06:35:25 lol Nov 10 06:35:34 lol, i mean, the greedy wiki will do it for you Nov 10 06:35:43 i am going to sleep soon. its 1:35am here, lol Nov 10 06:35:46 We have liftoff! Nov 10 06:35:48 is wirc "based" on mibbit? Nov 10 06:36:01 hmmmmm Nov 10 06:36:03 yeah, it's a mibbit clone done by oil. Nov 10 06:36:08 wirc isnt based on anything Nov 10 06:36:08 wait, that's not mz nick! Nov 10 06:36:25 s/mz/my/ Nov 10 06:36:25 wIRCer meant: wait, that's not my nick! Nov 10 06:36:26 oil: written from scratch? Nov 10 06:36:34 oil: you need a splash screen telling people to look in Identity. Nov 10 06:36:55 That's better Nov 10 06:37:00 oil: BTW, did you like the Preware splash screen wording? Nov 10 06:37:07 alert when def. nick isnt changed Nov 10 06:37:10 i haven't read it yet Nov 10 06:37:21 but yeah, congrats on wird beta Nov 10 06:37:28 gkatsev: yes Nov 10 06:37:36 s/wird/wirc/ Nov 10 06:37:38 gkatsev meant: but yeah, congrats on wirc beta Nov 10 06:37:51 the service uses a c library, "libircclient" Nov 10 06:37:53 oil: yes to scratch? cool Nov 10 06:38:05 Ew. The pink highlight has GOT to go. Nov 10 06:38:18 gkatsev: yeah, oil did the lot. every single line of code ;-) Nov 10 06:38:37 also, I'm still getting that scrolling bug Nov 10 06:38:42 cool, cool Nov 10 06:38:52 i should get started with more development Nov 10 06:39:08 i am thinking of making a free graphing calculator Nov 10 06:40:00 freakout: you have full control of highlight color Nov 10 06:40:29 thats an argument, right there Nov 10 06:41:02 ooh, this looks better than irssi in the terminal Nov 10 06:41:11 egaudet_wirc so I do! Nov 10 06:41:15 lol@wIRCer... pull the release! Nov 10 06:41:34 anyone going to tackle the wiki? Nov 10 06:41:46 * gkatsev touches nose Nov 10 06:42:01 fastest way to reboot a Pre: open terminal, type "tellbootie" Nov 10 06:42:13 not orange-sym-r? Nov 10 06:42:17 I use orange sym r Nov 10 06:42:33 ok, second fastest ;-) Nov 10 06:42:37 lol Nov 10 06:42:50 reboot? Nov 10 06:42:50 fastest way using one finger .... Nov 10 06:42:51 hah Nov 10 06:43:01 fastest remote reboot Nov 10 06:45:40 rwhitby-pre_: do you know any progress on FSO Palm Pre Challenge since there is no update on http://groups.google.com/group/webos-internals recently Nov 10 06:46:17 ameng: nope. ask alphaone|gone perhaps Nov 10 06:47:20 acydlord appmenu - identity Nov 10 06:48:00 thx Nov 10 06:50:02 hello... Nov 10 06:50:37 this is nice! Nov 10 06:51:26 rwhitby: ping Nov 10 06:51:33 dBsooner-Pre: yessir Nov 10 06:52:24 can you look at the ssh long and see why I am getting an error trying to git pull wirc? Nov 10 06:52:35 s/long/log/ Nov 10 06:52:36 dBsooner-Pre meant: can you look at the ssh log and see why I am getting an error trying to git pull wirc? Nov 10 06:55:19 I just get repository read access denied. Nov 10 06:55:31 trying to git pull and git clone. Nov 10 06:57:04 dBsooner-Pre: cause PuffTheMagic hasn't added you to the wIRC Project commit group. Nov 10 06:57:16 I don't want to commit Nov 10 06:57:16 wow, nice work on wirc. Nov 10 06:57:28 yeah seems to work pretty well Nov 10 06:57:32 dBsooner-Pre: then use the anonymous git URL Nov 10 06:57:45 oh yeah.. duh Nov 10 06:57:55 pre? Nov 10 06:59:05 night guys Nov 10 07:09:20 night gkatsev Nov 10 07:12:41 rwhitby, a question on the add pages to the launcher patch Nov 10 07:12:53 After you remove the patch, any page you've added stay there. Nov 10 07:13:01 Will that mess with an OTA webOS update? Nov 10 07:14:16 freakout: no idea Nov 10 07:15:34 Looks like 1.3 will be the great test then :) Nov 10 07:16:01 unlikely to cause issues Nov 10 07:16:29 egaudet_wirc, good to know. 'cause i really can't be arsed deleting my pages Nov 10 07:16:30 freakout: I'm sure there will be many reasons for doctoring after 1.3, that will be the least of one's worries ;-) Nov 10 07:16:37 lol. yep Nov 10 07:16:45 Chief will be meta-docotring my kezboard Nov 10 07:17:07 freakout: so, did you alpha test the new preware and ipkgservice? Nov 10 07:17:19 Not yet - i saw your ping last night Nov 10 07:17:27 do we have the three alpha testers I need to release it yet? Nov 10 07:17:27 when i woke up this morning Nov 10 07:17:43 I'm going to test it tonight when i get back in Nov 10 07:17:49 right now i gtg make dinner and stuff Nov 10 07:39:45 . Nov 10 08:26:15 oil: ping Nov 10 08:26:50 Finally! So wirc is awesome Nov 10 08:27:55 Anyone here? Nov 10 08:28:04 yep Nov 10 08:29:07 Yeah this was needed big time. Nov 10 08:31:33 Is oil around? Nov 10 08:32:59 oil! Nov 10 08:33:30 im still awake Nov 10 08:33:32 for a lil whiles Nov 10 08:34:05 I was wondering if your gonna release a new update for xbl friends? I'm always getting server down errors on that. Nov 10 08:34:16 nice. I'm usin the wirc app Nov 10 08:34:17 shouldn't be, the server is up Nov 10 08:35:01 It works about 50% of the time. Nov 10 08:35:47 I thought I remember you saying awhile back you were going to release an update for it? Or was that just blocked? Nov 10 08:35:57 i was Nov 10 08:36:03 but got busy with a ton of other stuff Nov 10 08:36:41 Oh gotcha.. Well I must say thx goes out to you guys for Wirc Nov 10 08:36:59 kk bed time. just wanted to hop on and see how awesome wirc was.. great job on it! Nov 10 08:37:08 Using it right now and love it. Nov 10 08:37:39 you should add a default server that lets em connect here.. Nov 10 08:38:49 So when will we see Preware 1.0 and what can we expect oil ? Hints? Nov 10 08:39:57 when its ready Nov 10 08:40:56 Hey what's this red line on wirc? Its between our responses Nov 10 08:41:13 lost focus marker Nov 10 08:41:24 to keep your place if you navigate to another card Nov 10 08:41:44 oil: do you plan to implement SSL? Nov 10 08:41:46 :) Nov 10 08:41:51 Oh nice.. So you can't mention any new things we may see in preware? Nov 10 08:42:12 it lets you get packages Nov 10 08:43:33 Sweet Nov 10 08:43:42 lol Nov 10 08:44:33 Had one question.. This may be the wrong place but when I delete the vk do I need to use the obselete service to delete log files? Before I update Nov 10 08:44:51 * oil doesn't know Nov 10 08:45:11 Damn Nov 10 08:45:38 Well night everyone.. Nov 10 08:45:55 yeah Nov 10 08:46:00 * oil hits the sack Nov 10 10:04:48 morning Nov 10 10:52:28 anyone else alpha tested the new Preware? Nov 10 10:57:21 Hey rwhitby Nov 10 10:59:30 Hi Nov 10 10:59:50 rwhitby-pre: as in, I ran it before and it wanted to update, so I did.... Nov 10 10:59:55 or does it need special install? Nov 10 11:00:19 nope, just update both in Preware Nov 10 11:00:30 yep, done Nov 10 11:00:34 did you get the splash screen? Nov 10 11:00:36 then installed wIRC... all worked fine Nov 10 11:00:44 which in particular? Nov 10 11:00:56 when starting Preware Nov 10 11:01:36 0.9.6 specifically, from the testing feed Nov 10 11:01:39 hrm... don't recall... I got the usual loading feed stuff Nov 10 11:02:04 sure you have 0.9.6? Nov 10 11:02:44 no... not near my emu right now Nov 10 11:02:53 It was a normal prompted update Nov 10 11:03:02 which I followed... it did the service too, then restarted Java Nov 10 11:03:51 that is not the alpha test then, unless you have the alpha feed installed ... Nov 10 11:04:05 nah doubt I did... I think I went rel code only Nov 10 11:33:00 lingfish: http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/all/org.webosinternals.preware_0.9.6_all.ipk is the alpha test version Nov 10 11:53:24 ipkgservice 0.9.17 has just been released Nov 10 11:56:04 thanks - updating now Nov 10 11:58:00 it said java restart required but then, nothing really seemed to reboot Nov 10 12:00:50 FreeTim3: your cellular connection would have dropped, then reconnected. the UI doesn't need to reboot. Nov 10 12:01:41 FreeTim3: double check your feeds management page, and make sure that all the feeds have preware.org URLs now Nov 10 12:04:07 yep. Phone seems perfectly ok. :) Nov 10 12:05:32 and the feed URLs check out? Nov 10 12:06:05 one sec trying to find it in the menus Nov 10 12:08:27 ya ok. I guess I don't know how to find it... I was looking at the feeds page in Preware ? Nov 10 12:09:28 ahhah Nov 10 12:09:43 tiny button on the top... I wasn't expecting that, i was searching the palm dropdown menu Nov 10 12:10:40 ok - I confirm that yes they all have preware.org based URLs on them - every one Nov 10 12:11:33 not to duplicate any effort but can we add the 'feeds' button into the dropdown menus like preferences as that is where I was expecting it... but not any big priority... what do you think Nov 10 12:12:14 FreeTim3: hint: alpha test preware 0.9.6 using the URL listed above ... Nov 10 12:12:20 on second thought it's ON the preferences page isn't it? Clearly I need to finish my 1st coffee :) Nov 10 12:12:42 FreeTim3: http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/all/org.webosinternals.preware_0.9.6_all.ipk is the alpha test version Nov 10 12:14:52 ok, sounds good for later... but for now, i'm going to back away slowly... it's only 7am here Nov 10 12:16:17 FreeTim3: you can install that ipkg using WebOS Quick Install Nov 10 12:25:57 * rwhitby bbt - perhaps three people will have alpha tested Preware by then ... Nov 10 12:31:02 hmm Nov 10 12:31:21 my preware got stuck on status after updating feeds Nov 10 12:31:24 the alpha version Nov 10 12:35:16 en0x: which screen? Nov 10 12:35:34 hello Nov 10 12:35:43 en0x: and is it repeatable Nov 10 12:35:46 how come I am always connected as wircer Nov 10 12:35:56 I cannot change to auto nick? Nov 10 12:36:03 wIRCer: cause you didn't read the documentation on the wiki page ;-) Nov 10 12:36:14 hmm Nov 10 12:36:20 I set it under settings Nov 10 12:36:31 but it always revert to wircer Nov 10 12:36:42 did you read the documentation? Nov 10 12:37:12 I read the mini documentation on ur precentral homebrew thread but I'll check the wiki now Nov 10 12:37:22 rwhitby-pre, on the start screen... i tried to reproduce it but no go Nov 10 12:37:35 trim: the first post on that thread had the key menu item too Nov 10 12:38:10 trim: there's an Identify menu item Nov 10 12:39:15 aha! I see that now Nov 10 12:39:25 was this just introduced in .03? Nov 10 12:39:29 I didn't see it in .02 Nov 10 12:39:35 trim: I agree it's non-intuitive - no-one cares about the username that's given to the server, but everyone cares about the default nickname. Nov 10 12:39:38 it was in .01 and in .02 Nov 10 12:39:40 :P Nov 10 12:40:08 haha, let me disconnect and reconnect see if it works brb Nov 10 12:41:05 watttuup Nov 10 12:41:07 woorks! Nov 10 12:41:15 IMHO, the first screen should say "You need to set your Indentity using the menu item, and then configure a server. Nov 10 12:41:38 rod: what is the nickserv command to register nick again? Nov 10 12:41:48 * rwhitby-pre notices that he's misspelt Identity twice in the last 4 minutes Nov 10 12:41:55 trim, /msg nickserv help Nov 10 12:41:55 :p Nov 10 12:46:33 cool, sweet wirc Nov 10 12:46:46 question: anyway to delete the chat history log? Nov 10 12:47:00 why scrolling in preware is laged? Nov 10 12:47:11 is there a way to get it to run smoothly? Nov 10 12:48:06 en0x: re: hanging on the start screen, what was displayed when it hung? updating, loading, fixing or done? Nov 10 12:48:20 en0x: it's not lagged Nov 10 12:48:27 (at least not here) Nov 10 12:48:39 when i scroll available apps it slow down and speed up Nov 10 12:49:16 rwhitby-emu, hmm it was after updating feed... when it finish updating.. then it starts to load new package list... and first thing is status.... Nov 10 12:49:52 en0x: those two things indicate there is something weird happening on your Pre Nov 10 12:50:00 hmm Nov 10 12:50:11 i'm not feeling like doctoring it :P Nov 10 12:50:14 can you get in and watch /var/log/messages and the dbus for strange stuff? Nov 10 12:50:25 ya I have access to my pr Nov 10 12:50:26 e Nov 10 12:54:43 thars some weird shit Nov 10 12:54:45 2009-11-10T12:54:23.005736Z [48037] castle daemon.info dhclient: DHCPREQUEST on eth0 to 2.2.2.2 port 67 Nov 10 12:54:48 2009-11-10T12:54:23.013701Z [48037] castle daemon.info dhclient: DHCPACK from 2.2.2.2 Nov 10 12:54:51 2.2.2.2 lol Nov 10 12:55:47 did you guys install the agps hack found on precenteral? I just did it: works sweet Nov 10 12:55:56 so i'm wathing /var/log/messages and nothing interesting there Nov 10 12:56:49 en0x: see if you can reproduce the hang while watching. also check "dbus-util --capture" output Nov 10 12:58:23 BTW, if anyone knows someone who might find a use for android-internals.org, it's expiring in 5 days, and I have no interest in keeping it. Nov 10 12:59:15 48311.675PUBreturn18040.299org.webosinternals.ipkgservicecom.palm.luna«string=“{"errorCode":"ErrorGenericOperationNotPermitted", "errorText":"Permission Denied"}”» Nov 10 12:59:18 this is ok? Nov 10 12:59:29 en0x: often it is Nov 10 13:01:04 then i get nothing more interesting... Nov 10 13:01:22 i restarted preware few times etc tryied to update feeds few time didnt hang Nov 10 13:02:51 did you update package manager service, then update preware, then immediately run preware and get the hang? Nov 10 13:03:49 ya :p Nov 10 13:04:02 geee this picasa on the phone suck Nov 10 13:04:33 en0x: perhaps it's something to do with the java restart. Nov 10 13:05:19 maybe Nov 10 13:05:26 have you tried to play with picasa on phone? Nov 10 13:05:35 http://prophet.ath.cx:8080/~portman/quipalbum_2009-10-11_080405.jpg mine is getting stuck at this... Nov 10 13:06:54 even reboot desnt help Nov 10 13:06:56 :) Nov 10 13:09:53 * rwhitby bbt Nov 10 13:18:24 http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/modifications/blobs/raw/master/email/email-delete-from-notification-bar.patch anyone tried this patch? Nov 10 13:18:27 :> Nov 10 13:18:35 enox I did Nov 10 13:18:47 works, but doesn't work well Nov 10 13:19:22 you need to tap the trash can like 8 times to delete and even then sometimes it won't delete Nov 10 13:19:37 better than nothing I suppose Nov 10 13:19:43 i see Nov 10 13:19:50 coz i dont know if i should install it or not Nov 10 13:20:15 the creator is working on ver2 according to the precentral thread Nov 10 13:20:33 I have ver1 installed still, but it doesn't work too well Nov 10 13:20:36 wonder how long it will take him Nov 10 13:21:01 beats me Nov 10 13:21:18 well i will check this one out Nov 10 13:30:10 why delete? I just set the email to 2 weeks and it auto takes care of it, no ? Nov 10 13:30:30 it doesn't really delete, it archives Nov 10 13:32:46 trim-pre, just like u said Nov 10 13:32:48 it sucks Nov 10 13:33:00 lol Nov 10 13:33:11 doesn't suck: just doesn't work well Nov 10 13:33:59 ;p Nov 10 13:49:07 heading into work shortly and didn't knwo if anyone was here, but I did want to say congrats to you guys on the wIRC beta. It's a friggin great app. If it weren't for the service, it would definitely have a place in the catalog Nov 10 13:50:00 everyone have a good day (or evenin) Nov 10 14:21:44 sup ppl Nov 10 14:22:31 any help on rooting the pre? Nov 10 14:22:43 I am stuck and can't figure out what to do next Nov 10 14:23:21 stuck at which point? Nov 10 14:24:07 installing the novacomd deb and running novacom is enough to get a root command line access Nov 10 14:24:14 yea Nov 10 14:24:20 (unfortunately both are closed-source) Nov 10 14:24:25 I was on the root@j# or something like that Nov 10 14:24:42 but I think I got stuck in the part where I have to do the optware setup Nov 10 14:24:45 then you've already "rooted" the phone Nov 10 14:25:12 ok, so is there any way to know if it is rooted for sure? Nov 10 14:25:24 I am just trying to get the msl in order to switch to a different carrier Nov 10 14:25:47 please call it "accessing linux/command prompt" Nov 10 14:25:50 it's not "rooting" Nov 10 14:25:56 ok Nov 10 14:26:00 :) Nov 10 14:26:04 what's rooting then? :) Nov 10 14:26:06 my bad lol Nov 10 14:26:25 not this Nov 10 14:26:40 the pre comes to you rooted.. in other words everything runs as root Nov 10 14:26:50 true Nov 10 14:26:57 ok Nov 10 14:26:58 you're just gaining access to a command prompt Nov 10 14:27:26 if you see root@blah#: then you have a command prompt Nov 10 14:27:26 ok Nov 10 14:27:32 so now can i do the ssh stuff? Nov 10 14:27:36 root@ means your logged in as root Nov 10 14:27:48 blah = hostname Nov 10 14:28:05 like mine is root@castle#: Nov 10 14:28:08 see i was never able to get to the line where it asks for the user Nov 10 14:28:09 yea Nov 10 14:28:17 it won't ask for a user Nov 10 14:28:21 you are automatically in as root Nov 10 14:28:27 ooo ok Nov 10 14:28:28 so your "user" is root Nov 10 14:28:38 and your automatically logged in Nov 10 14:28:43 whoah that's the same as my hostname :) Nov 10 14:28:48 lol Nov 10 14:28:50 theif. ;) Nov 10 14:28:51 aaahh Nov 10 14:28:52 lol Nov 10 14:30:10 MX__: i couldn't get openssh to accept my connections over usb Nov 10 14:30:15 MX__: so i went with dropbear Nov 10 14:30:28 yea Nov 10 14:30:33 thats where I am stuck Nov 10 14:30:47 I was following the wiki but can't finish that Nov 10 14:31:17 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Next_steps Nov 10 14:31:21 thats what I was following Nov 10 14:33:27 just run the script Nov 10 14:33:58 optware-bootstrap.sh Nov 10 14:34:00 just run that Nov 10 14:34:04 it will do everything you need it to do Nov 10 14:34:10 from the command windows? Nov 10 14:34:28 where else would you run it from? Nov 10 14:34:37 ok Nov 10 14:34:40 just makin sure Nov 10 14:35:08 do those 4 commands for optware-bootstrap Nov 10 14:35:13 that will do everything you need it to Nov 10 14:39:48 see I pasted wget http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/bootstrap/blobs/raw/master/optware-bootstrap.sh Nov 10 14:40:16 then it gives me an error saying "wget: can't open 'optware-bootstrap.sh': Read-only file system Nov 10 14:42:42 coz u have to mount / as read-write Nov 10 14:43:43 mount what? Nov 10 14:44:27 soo... there's no way to tab or use ctrl in the terminal app, huh? Nov 10 14:44:53 somebody needs to add some soft buttons in there Nov 10 14:44:55 MX__: mount -o remount,rw / Nov 10 14:45:07 twicker: yes tehre is Nov 10 14:45:14 que? Nov 10 14:45:25 twicker: HINT.. press the Terminal button in the top Nov 10 14:45:29 to bring down the HELP menu Nov 10 14:45:31 kk Nov 10 14:45:37 good idea! Nov 10 14:45:39 and uhh.. tap "Non-obvious keys" Nov 10 14:45:40 ? Nov 10 14:45:59 but sym+i is tab Nov 10 14:46:08 ctrl = sym Nov 10 14:46:19 so sym+x is ctrl+x Nov 10 14:46:27 sym+c = ctrl+c Nov 10 14:46:42 db - Im on root@castle:/tmp Nov 10 14:46:48 then I paste what u posted Nov 10 14:46:53 yea, the drop down menu's not working on my pre :-/ Nov 10 14:47:23 twicker: why not? Nov 10 14:47:32 twicker: swipe down from the top left corner Nov 10 14:47:40 just a down swipe up there Nov 10 14:47:42 and it just went to another line that says "mount -o remount, rw/ Nov 10 14:47:56 MX__: ? Nov 10 14:47:59 then back to root@castle:/tmp# Nov 10 14:48:10 still not working Nov 10 14:48:22 i might have too many apps, patches installed? Nov 10 14:48:25 MX__: should be rw now Nov 10 14:48:33 i've been installing like a madman Nov 10 14:48:37 twicker: that wouldn't cause it Nov 10 14:48:41 ?? Nov 10 14:48:52 twicker: I have 100 patches installed Nov 10 14:48:59 and like 60 apps Nov 10 14:49:03 and my down flick works Nov 10 14:49:06 damn Nov 10 14:49:08 to bring up the help menu Nov 10 14:49:10 niice Nov 10 14:49:21 all the patches?? Nov 10 14:49:26 twicker: pretty much Nov 10 14:49:31 wow Nov 10 14:49:34 I am the Patch Meister.. I ahve to test them you know Nov 10 14:49:44 see I then paste sh optware-bootstrap.sh, and it gives me 3 errors Nov 10 14:49:47 well, shit ain't working Nov 10 14:49:56 i've had problems with a couple homebrew apps, patches Nov 10 14:50:01 optware-bootstrap.sh: line 3: cannot open !DOCTYPE: no such file optware-bootstrap.sh: line 3: html: not found optware-bootstrap.sh: line 4: syntax error: newline unexpected Nov 10 14:50:33 MX__: you did it wrong Nov 10 14:50:39 it looks like you downloaded the html page with bootstrap Nov 10 14:50:40 :p Nov 10 14:50:51 damn it! Nov 10 14:51:29 can't believe how much i suck at this lol Nov 10 14:51:46 no comments on this one Nov 10 14:51:54 aaahh Nov 10 14:52:07 en0x: can you help out real quick, I gotta go start this job.. I hav ebeen sitting out her etoo long Nov 10 14:52:22 kk Nov 10 14:52:23 ;] Nov 10 14:52:32 hey thanx boss Nov 10 14:52:40 my bad I was a pain Nov 10 14:52:47 so what did u download exacly Nov 10 14:53:08 or what u r trying to do Nov 10 14:53:14 idk if I have downloaded anything.. Nov 10 14:53:15 i havent read anything that u said before Nov 10 14:53:27 r u trying to setup ssh on your pre? Nov 10 14:53:31 he's trying to run next-steps and failing en0x Nov 10 14:53:34 yes Nov 10 14:53:36 i guess i just gotta restart Nov 10 14:53:39 oh Nov 10 14:53:45 no soup for u Nov 10 14:53:45 I want to get ssh running Nov 10 14:53:46 :p Nov 10 14:54:17 cd /tmp wget http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/bootstrap/blobs/raw/master/optware-bootstrap.sh Nov 10 14:54:25 next-steps? Nov 10 14:54:28 cd /tmp and tehen wget optware-bootstrap.sh Nov 10 14:54:30 did that? Nov 10 14:54:35 the windo manager? Nov 10 14:54:42 yes Nov 10 14:54:44 hah Nov 10 14:54:49 nutzorz Nov 10 14:54:59 sh /tmp/optware-bootstrap.sh Nov 10 14:55:09 and it should ask you questions Nov 10 14:57:58 ok starting over Nov 10 14:58:08 im on root@castle:/# Nov 10 14:58:11 ok Nov 10 14:58:13 cd /tmp Nov 10 14:58:23 rm optware-bootstrap.sh Nov 10 14:58:32 wget http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/bootstrap/blobs/raw/master/optware-bootstrap.sh Nov 10 14:58:39 sh optware-bootstrap.sh Nov 10 14:59:15 FIINALLYYY Nov 10 14:59:24 enter username of ur unprivileged user.. Nov 10 14:59:27 root? Nov 10 14:59:46 temp Nov 10 14:59:51 and then password: root? Nov 10 15:00:22 root is priviledged user Nov 10 15:00:26 u have to use different name Nov 10 15:00:28 mx for example Nov 10 15:00:35 or noob or whatever Nov 10 15:00:35 ;D Nov 10 15:01:06 lol ok Nov 10 15:01:20 installed dropbear Nov 10 15:01:24 like mine is: dbeames Nov 10 15:02:03 ok Nov 10 15:02:08 installing openss:.... Nov 10 15:02:15 u guys ROCK!! Nov 10 15:02:31 setup complete Nov 10 15:02:37 hmm Nov 10 15:02:40 whisky on rocks Nov 10 15:02:45 mmmmmmm Nov 10 15:03:16 lol Nov 10 15:03:24 ok now what? Nov 10 15:03:28 putty.exe right? Nov 10 15:04:21 ya Nov 10 15:05:19 do I turn dev mode off? Nov 10 15:07:13 yes u can Nov 10 15:07:43 ok Nov 10 15:07:56 thanx enox Nov 10 15:08:11 I had been trying all day yesterday, it sucked lol Nov 10 15:08:18 dBsooner-work: are u in contact with anyone that runs precentral? Nov 10 15:11:39 PuffTheMagic I am, what do you need? Nov 10 15:11:51 i wanted to change my nick Nov 10 15:11:58 ah Nov 10 15:12:02 i guess i could just delete/not use my old one Nov 10 15:12:05 since i have like 1 post Nov 10 15:12:31 "Dieter Bohn" Nov 10 15:12:37 just email him Nov 10 15:12:53 k, thanks Nov 10 15:26:08 hmm Nov 10 15:37:17 morning Nov 10 15:38:33 hello Nov 10 15:38:36 enox u there? Nov 10 15:39:43 i was trying to get the pre in passthrough mode, but when I tried going in to the root, it tells me that it can't find the device Nov 10 15:40:11 MX__, sup? Nov 10 15:40:33 im on c;\programfiles Nov 10 15:40:41 \palm\sdk\bin Nov 10 15:40:47 then i do > novacom -t open tty:// Nov 10 15:40:55 and it says "unable to find device" Nov 10 15:41:05 because u disabled devmode? Nov 10 15:41:11 no Nov 10 15:41:13 its enabled Nov 10 15:41:18 weird Nov 10 15:41:24 i dont use novacom Nov 10 15:41:34 i just putty to my pre Nov 10 15:41:39 why don't u do that too? :> Nov 10 15:41:45 ur soo right Nov 10 15:41:49 lol Nov 10 15:42:04 pre ip and 222 port and u good Nov 10 15:42:05 ;] Nov 10 15:42:14 chea Nov 10 15:43:29 hey what you guys think about on the text forwarding instead of having a dialog pop up have a submenu Nov 10 15:43:35 am i on root now? i see "test@castle:-$ Nov 10 15:43:39 for the options Nov 10 15:43:40 i have to do the sudo right? Nov 10 15:43:43 yea Nov 10 15:43:47 sudo -i Nov 10 15:43:50 MX__, right Nov 10 15:44:52 damn Nov 10 15:44:55 can't find the sudo code Nov 10 15:44:59 to get to root Nov 10 15:45:09 bootstrap should have set it up Nov 10 15:45:26 when you do sudo -i it says command not found? Nov 10 15:45:31 no Nov 10 15:45:33 h/o Nov 10 15:45:54 ok Nov 10 15:45:55 ho/o? Nov 10 15:45:57 now im on Nov 10 15:46:00 lol Nov 10 15:46:13 root@castle:/var/home/root# Nov 10 15:46:22 so.. i've already "rooted" my phone if i see that, right? Nov 10 15:46:31 this is what I'm trying to do... Nov 10 15:46:32 http://mobile-files.com/forum/showthread.php?t=111201 Nov 10 15:46:51 i wanna get the msl Nov 10 15:46:56 yea your in root Nov 10 15:47:01 ok Nov 10 15:47:14 let me know how it goes Nov 10 15:47:43 do i put the whole ling: 2, {"returnValue":true} Pass-through enabled for Diag root@castle:/var/home/root# ** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, {"returnVal ue":true} -sh: **: not found root@castle:/var/home/root# Pass-through enabled for Diagmpt d userial -sh: Pass-through: not found root@castle:/var/home/root# ** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, {"returnVal ue":true} -sh: **: not found root@castle:/var/home/root# Nov 10 15:47:46 in there? Nov 10 15:48:02 no Nov 10 15:48:03 lol Nov 10 15:48:05 omg Nov 10 15:48:13 i see this going Nov 10 15:48:13 \wrong Nov 10 15:48:14 lol Nov 10 15:48:16 just put Nov 10 15:48:16 mpt d userial Nov 10 15:48:57 dont f up your phone Nov 10 15:48:58 lol Nov 10 15:49:10 it will happen sooner or later Nov 10 15:49:10 ;d Nov 10 15:49:24 en0x: agreed Nov 10 15:49:24 lol Nov 10 15:49:33 lol Nov 10 15:49:37 damn Nov 10 15:49:38 ok Nov 10 15:49:42 :-) Nov 10 15:50:51 hmm Nov 10 15:51:09 ok Nov 10 15:51:13 when preware will be able to update feeds every hour or so? Nov 10 15:51:13 think i got it right now Nov 10 15:51:27 in background Nov 10 15:51:34 i installed the new version yesterday Nov 10 15:51:40 me too Nov 10 15:51:40 ;P Nov 10 15:51:46 lets see how it runs Nov 10 15:51:57 its ok so far Nov 10 15:52:10 same here Nov 10 15:53:04 2i got it stuck at status screen twice Nov 10 15:53:09 but could not reproduce it anymore Nov 10 15:53:23 oh yea the first loading info screen Nov 10 15:53:25 same here Nov 10 15:53:27 http://forums.precentral.net/attachments/palm-pixi/36628d1257829372-getting-pixi-next-monday-9th-20091110_005256.jpg Nov 10 15:53:36 seen it Nov 10 15:53:37 ;) Nov 10 15:53:39 oh man nevermind i guess i wont edit the patch if 1.3.1 has it Nov 10 15:53:57 ppl are speculating that 1.3.1 dont have facebook app Nov 10 15:53:58 ;d Nov 10 15:54:15 well the pixi will Nov 10 15:54:20 i could care less x.facebook.com Nov 10 15:54:22 works for me Nov 10 15:54:27 or until i can create a nice app Nov 10 15:54:29 :-) Nov 10 15:54:36 i dont have facbook Nov 10 15:54:41 facebook so i dont care Nov 10 15:54:41 :p Nov 10 15:54:43 just facebook api sucks for javascript Nov 10 15:57:13 facebook suck imho Nov 10 15:57:14 :p Nov 10 15:57:22 when I see ppl at college Nov 10 15:57:30 everyone is on facebook looking at pics Nov 10 15:57:47 lol Nov 10 15:57:53 yea same here Nov 10 15:57:59 and i'm like Nov 10 15:58:02 "get life" Nov 10 15:58:07 i was jsut about to say that Nov 10 15:58:07 lol Nov 10 15:58:09 get a life* Nov 10 15:58:32 MX__: did your phone explode yet Nov 10 15:58:32 ? Nov 10 15:58:40 lol Nov 10 15:58:41 no Nov 10 15:58:46 i was be happy if i would see a guy talking on irc or something and having good convo Nov 10 15:58:47 I was putting the wrong code Nov 10 15:58:57 but looking at pics all day long/ Nov 10 15:58:59 w00t Nov 10 15:59:08 lol u guys know ur stuf Nov 10 15:59:09 f Nov 10 15:59:49 http://pre101.com/blog/2009/11/10/a-guide-to-css-transitions-in-webos/ good stuff Nov 10 16:00:13 puff should use it in wIRC when the popup comes out with prompt for channel or nick Nov 10 16:00:16 :p **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 10 16:04:06 2009 Nov 10 16:05:34 hmm Nov 10 16:06:03 so anyway trying to move all my text messages from one pre to another ended up in breaking PalmDatabase.db3 Nov 10 16:06:10 everytime i tried something different Nov 10 16:06:11 :P Nov 10 16:09:52 so what exactly does "mpt d userial" actually do? Nov 10 16:10:57 read the wiki Nov 10 16:10:58 :p Nov 10 16:11:43 which page? Nov 10 16:12:17 10:46:31 MX__ > http://mobile-files.com/forum/showthread.php?t=111201 Nov 10 16:12:25 actually this ^ Nov 10 16:13:10 right... doesn't tell me what it does Nov 10 16:13:16 In this month's men's health magazine they have quick reviews on some of the smartphones, for the pre I quote: Nov 10 16:13:19 it gets your mls Nov 10 16:13:27 can't you just call sprint and get it? Nov 10 16:13:46 "If the virtual keyboard on the Pre's 3.2-inch touch-screen is slowing you down, you can pull out the big gun: a QWERTY keyboard that slides out from under the LCD" Nov 10 16:13:54 3.1-inch* Nov 10 16:13:55 twicker, yes u can Nov 10 16:13:55 :) Nov 10 16:14:09 so i get the msl and then? Nov 10 16:14:11 use qpst? Nov 10 16:14:24 then u can play with real gps Nov 10 16:14:32 or reset your phone to factory settings etc Nov 10 16:14:47 how bout wifi tethering? Nov 10 16:14:56 no need for it Nov 10 16:15:06 just instal mytether? Nov 10 16:15:09 ya Nov 10 16:15:14 sweet Nov 10 16:15:18 gracias Nov 10 16:15:30 ick. wifi tethering Nov 10 16:15:39 [; Nov 10 16:15:39 ick? Nov 10 16:15:45 bad Nov 10 16:15:57 does it disable phone use or something? Nov 10 16:16:08 why should it? Nov 10 16:16:10 hm. whoops. Nov 10 16:16:16 phone still works as expected Nov 10 16:16:18 So i am stuck. Nov 10 16:16:23 they why the "ick"? Nov 10 16:16:30 i dunno Nov 10 16:16:31 I am trying to decide on a new domain name Nov 10 16:16:38 hmm Nov 10 16:16:42 whoatemypalmpre.com Nov 10 16:16:42 to use as my primary domain.. like my primary email Nov 10 16:17:01 dBsooner-work, imsocool.com Nov 10 16:17:02 :D Nov 10 16:17:03 SO far: dBsooner.com/net dbeames.com/net Nov 10 16:17:26 ip fowarding / usbnet is all you need really. Nov 10 16:17:37 right Nov 10 16:17:44 but usbnet doesnt work under mac Nov 10 16:19:02 usbnet for webos? Nov 10 16:19:22 i'd be wanting wifi tethering with linux Nov 10 16:19:33 desktop Nov 10 16:21:49 egaudet_wirc, stop it Nov 10 16:22:53 dB: whopre.com, preheavy.com, lovepre.com, prehideout.com, predugout.com, prehole.com Nov 10 16:23:06 i like prehole Nov 10 16:23:06 lol Nov 10 16:23:09 i like prehole Nov 10 16:23:13 yea buddy Nov 10 16:27:38 so simplest way to go about wifi tethering is...? Nov 10 16:28:11 twicker: do you know how to use linux commands pretty well Nov 10 16:28:17 damm car drivers. Nov 10 16:28:18 yup Nov 10 16:28:59 usbnet doesn't work on mac's? that sounds fishy Nov 10 16:29:02 then u can use the ipforwarding and masquerding Nov 10 16:29:06 if not comfortable Nov 10 16:29:08 just use mytether Nov 10 16:29:19 zsoc, nope something fubared with drivers Nov 10 16:29:33 ipforwarding as in iptables? Nov 10 16:29:38 yup yup Nov 10 16:29:49 echo 1 >/proc/net.../ipforward Nov 10 16:29:50 :P Nov 10 16:29:52 you have to masquerde the interfaces Nov 10 16:30:09 right Nov 10 16:30:12 and do what en0x posted Nov 10 16:30:12 hmm.... is that as easy as the first step? Nov 10 16:30:19 just use mytehter Nov 10 16:30:23 mytether.net Nov 10 16:30:24 i believe Nov 10 16:30:27 noo... i wan to learn :D Nov 10 16:30:45 decompile that app Nov 10 16:30:51 pretty much you Nov 10 16:31:01 echo 1 to the ipfoward like en0x posted Nov 10 16:31:20 right Nov 10 16:31:24 then you have to masquerde PPP0 to ETH0 or which ever wifi adapter is Nov 10 16:31:36 and then adhoc the network Nov 10 16:31:39 k Nov 10 16:31:55 and then i'd need to reset it, if ever? Nov 10 16:31:59 interesting Nov 10 16:32:02 ummm you have to turn off the pmconnectionmgr i believe something like that Nov 10 16:32:19 is there a guide to do this on the wiki? Nov 10 16:33:24 not really it might be me and another guy h0ndasp0rts posted alot of it on the forums when first did it Nov 10 16:33:49 let me search my post one sec Nov 10 16:34:41 also if you're using wifi, you need to write over the driver with the old driver. it would seem the current wifi driver doesn't support ad-hoc Nov 10 16:34:54 correct Nov 10 16:35:01 and you can find that in the mytether package Nov 10 16:36:22 same "Qaulcomm Diag Drivers" on the mobile-files.com forum? Nov 10 16:36:50 huh? Nov 10 16:37:12 http://mobile-files.com/forum/showthread.php?t=111201 Nov 10 16:37:13 first post Nov 10 16:37:40 what about it Nov 10 16:38:03 that's the same driver as in the mytether pkg? Nov 10 16:39:14 soo... this is a good guide of masqeurading, eh? Nov 10 16:39:15 http://www.howtoforge.com/internet-connection-sharing-masquerading-on-linux Nov 10 16:39:39 any side-effects to normal internet operation on the device? Nov 10 16:40:05 should i make a script to toggle between two different states? Nov 10 16:40:29 just use my tether would be the best bet Nov 10 16:40:34 im posting up some stuff for you now Nov 10 16:40:36 the exact commands Nov 10 16:40:56 cool beans Nov 10 16:41:39 http://webos.pastebin.com/m1beabf96 Nov 10 16:41:42 thats to turn it on Nov 10 16:41:42 sweet. wirc works great so far Nov 10 16:42:19 now i have to try and remember all of the full commands Nov 10 16:42:42 ive always used custom shot codes Nov 10 16:42:49 thanks atl Nov 10 16:43:01 turn it off Nov 10 16:43:02 twicker: http://webos.pastebin.com/mbf6715 Nov 10 16:43:38 and there some dhcp too if you need it Nov 10 16:44:04 i should be able to handle the dhcp, but examples are always good :D Nov 10 16:44:40 atlanta, you are a big fan of suppressing outputs, eh? :) Nov 10 16:45:02 lol Nov 10 16:45:03 what's the diff between the first & second pastebin? Nov 10 16:45:22 first to turn the forwarding on Nov 10 16:45:25 second to turn it off Nov 10 16:45:29 ahh k Nov 10 16:49:02 so replace driver from mytether, look into these commands... and that's it? Nov 10 16:49:36 *replace with the driver from mTeth Nov 10 16:54:17 sounds about right Nov 10 16:54:50 sweet.... you rock Nov 10 16:54:56 did anyone tried to run a fork bomb on pre? Nov 10 16:54:58 >:> Nov 10 16:56:14 @enox wut is that Nov 10 16:56:17 what does that do exactly i heard about it before Nov 10 16:56:32 well i always add that protection to the servers when i set them up Nov 10 16:57:01 :(){ :|:& };: Nov 10 16:57:04 run this on ur pre Nov 10 16:57:04 ;) Nov 10 16:57:24 oh its a loop right Nov 10 16:57:25 lol Nov 10 16:57:26 fork bomb? Nov 10 16:57:33 it's a virus!! Nov 10 16:57:48 lol Nov 10 16:57:55 en0x, please do not post malicious code in this channel. Nov 10 16:57:56 awww what the hell Nov 10 16:57:58 ill run it in a min Nov 10 16:58:03 yea, i didn't really run it Nov 10 16:58:03 Too bad I can't paste to terminal... :-D Nov 10 16:58:10 hmm Nov 10 16:58:13 i just borked my server with it Nov 10 16:58:14 :S Nov 10 16:58:16 fck Nov 10 16:58:19 haha Nov 10 16:58:38 portman: really Nov 10 16:58:39 ? Nov 10 16:58:43 lmfaoo Nov 10 16:58:45 buahaha Nov 10 16:58:47 en0x: thats funny Nov 10 16:59:14 it is actually quite a sexy exploit, but don't post it here :p Nov 10 16:59:14 me = fail Nov 10 16:59:15 :( Nov 10 16:59:52 $ ssh -l portman prophet.ath.cx Nov 10 16:59:52 ssh: connect to host prophet.ath.cx port 22: No route to host Nov 10 16:59:52 pkilian@falcon:~$ Nov 10 16:59:54 ;( Nov 10 16:59:57 This new IRC app is pretty Awesome... B-) Nov 10 17:01:08 yeah right Nov 10 17:01:32 etf Nov 10 17:01:34 \wtf Nov 10 17:01:52 yap Nov 10 17:01:53 :0 Nov 10 17:01:57 boston uni Nov 10 17:02:13 what about it? :> Nov 10 17:02:47 $ w Nov 10 17:02:47 12:02PM up 2 mins, 1 user, load averages: 0.17, 0.21, 0.10 Nov 10 17:02:48 hehe Nov 10 17:02:50 it rebooted Nov 10 17:02:51 ;) Nov 10 17:03:12 wilol Nov 10 17:04:01 atlanta: so what about the boston univ? :> Nov 10 17:04:31 no i seen it when u joined or something Nov 10 17:04:55 how u like it Nov 10 17:05:02 i work here Nov 10 17:05:10 oh cool Nov 10 17:05:10 brb Nov 10 17:05:11 lunch time Nov 10 17:54:26 I'm really loving the wIRC app Nov 10 18:57:47 hmm.. 4.99 for SplashID .. is it worth it? Nov 10 18:58:47 what is it? Nov 10 18:59:55 stores passwords Nov 10 19:00:00 and other important info Nov 10 19:00:05 like an eWallet Nov 10 19:01:02 that way the thief only has to steal one item instead of two .. almost sounds like an infomercial Nov 10 19:01:56 tired of stealing cell phone AND wallets? always too clumsy with the getaway carrying too many items (shows thief shrugging when trying to hold a gun, wallet and cell phone) Nov 10 19:02:37 back to reality Nov 10 19:03:38 lol Nov 10 19:07:33 at least if he steals my pre i can use my pre to remote brick it...er wait that won't work Nov 10 19:09:12 hey PuffTheMagic, you around? Nov 10 19:09:24 yeah Nov 10 19:09:58 i remember you saying something about replacing a pre that had some wobble? Nov 10 19:10:10 saying it was a manufacturing defect? Nov 10 19:10:44 yeah my brother did, but it was within the first 30days Nov 10 19:10:48 so maybe that was why Nov 10 19:10:56 hmmmm, tricky Nov 10 19:11:46 i'm trying to figure out if i can get a replacement for mine... the slider keeps getting stuck and there's quite a bit of wobble Nov 10 19:11:53 but i don't want to drop another $100 for it Nov 10 19:12:25 ping Nov 10 19:12:44 bpadalino|work: no, all info is encrypted and you have to know the password to open the program.. eWallets are huge in the WinMobile world Nov 10 19:12:48 Templarian-wirc: it worked... now die. Nov 10 19:13:23 now die, how amusing Nov 10 19:16:40 lmorchard: ping Nov 10 19:16:55 Sup? Nov 10 19:17:48 You not developing Uploadr anymore? Nov 10 19:17:53 is picasa on phone working for everybodyt? Nov 10 19:18:21 Well, I haven't had time to work on it for a month or so, but hoping to pick it back up Nov 10 19:18:40 lmorchard: cool.. Cuz I am having issues getting activated. :( Nov 10 19:19:08 or let me rephrase my question Nov 10 19:19:15 who is using "picasa on phone" app? Nov 10 19:19:25 * dBsooner-work has Flickr.. not Picasa. Nov 10 19:19:28 Hmm, maybe try dropping a post on the preware forum, especially if you have any log entries or error mesages Nov 10 19:19:46 I've not personally had any issues activating except once, but something might hav echanged Nov 10 19:19:56 lmorchard: where I can see the logs? Nov 10 19:20:00 http://prophet.ath.cx:8080/~portman/quipalbum_2009-10-11_080405.jpg this is what i'm getting when i'm trying to run the app Nov 10 19:20:09 Well, tar /var/log/console Nov 10 19:20:14 or use palm-log Nov 10 19:20:18 lmorchard: ok Nov 10 19:20:29 er s/tar/tail Nov 10 19:20:39 but I won't have much time to poke at it in the next week or so Nov 10 19:20:43 i didn't know if you used your own logs or not Nov 10 19:21:04 Naw, just standard Mojo.Log Nov 10 19:21:19 i have "authorized" it on flickr's site, but the uploadr app tells me authentication fialure or whatever. Nov 10 19:21:38 or "unauthorized" Nov 10 19:22:49 my gps is eerily accurate today. its actually accurately tracking me walking around the house. Nov 10 19:22:51 Actually, you might even want to look at PixelPipe's fork of my uploader: http://www.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/pixelpipe-media-gateway Nov 10 19:23:01 they've got more work into it since I got busy Nov 10 19:23:33 doesn't use flickr directly, but you can upload to pixelpipe, which will upload to flickr. they even let you set title / desc / tags, which I haven't gotten around to yet Nov 10 19:24:15 the pixelpipe one works quite well,I use it for twitpic. Nov 10 19:24:58 They wanted me to help work on it with them, but ugh,,, been a busy month or two :/ Nov 10 19:25:07 still, they're doing pretty well with it Nov 10 19:25:58 looks like the update for pixelpipe is .99 now Nov 10 19:26:07 Oh, ugh Nov 10 19:27:13 not terrible considering the amount of apps it uploads to, I believe their iphone app is .99 too Nov 10 19:41:19 lmorchard: there is onyl one thing I don't like about pixelpipe's fork Nov 10 19:41:35 i am assuming they accept the images on their server and proxy them out Nov 10 19:41:53 I don't like the idea of a third party handling my images then forwarding them on. Nov 10 19:42:10 I am the co-developer of sMMS, so I know how dangerous that can be. Nov 10 19:43:55 facebook automatically owns the images you send to them anyway, and you can never delete them Nov 10 19:44:35 zsoc: i don't send them to facebook Nov 10 19:44:40 zsoc: flickr. Nov 10 19:44:55 i only send random stuff to facebook Nov 10 19:44:57 <_droO> use the flickr upload app Nov 10 19:45:00 <_droO> instead of pixelpipe ;o Nov 10 19:45:05 <_droO> or make one:) Nov 10 19:45:13 ah. I'd be curious to read their ToS Nov 10 19:45:14 _droO: read backwards in teh4 channel? Nov 10 19:45:58 <_droO> oh;o Nov 10 19:48:03 damn i love my phone Nov 10 19:48:10 and i love whoever made the Just Charge patch Nov 10 19:48:15 * Mousey hands out some lovin' **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 10 19:53:47 2009 Nov 10 19:55:40 Hello all while sniffing the dbus I found an possibly quite useful dbus method "com.palm.power/com/palm/power/batteryStatus", however when I try to call the method, it says it is not a known method Nov 10 19:56:00 the dbus sniffer says there is a source "com.palm.power" but no destiation Nov 10 19:56:39 schulman: check the Nov 10 19:56:41 so I am assuming this message is sent by the powerd service without any impetus, any thoughts Nov 10 19:56:43 phone app Nov 10 19:56:55 good idea Nov 10 19:57:03 in models folder theres a powerdcommands.js Nov 10 19:57:13 i believe its uses that Nov 10 19:57:16 for the battery status Nov 10 19:59:27 I see Nov 10 19:59:38 you subscribe to the signal Nov 10 20:03:25 hey all Nov 10 20:15:58 amazing Nov 10 20:16:00 I figured it out Nov 10 20:16:09 subscribe to batteryStatus Nov 10 20:16:10 then Nov 10 20:16:14 call batteryStatusQuery Nov 10 20:16:49 every time you call the batteryStatusQuery it updates all apps registered with the signal Nov 10 20:16:49 :-) Nov 10 20:17:00 thanks Nov 10 20:17:04 see easier than you thought Nov 10 20:17:05 no problem Nov 10 20:17:19 rwhitby, egaudet: sorry for my delay in getting the WebOS-Patches feed updated more.. Without my laptop, I am a little slow on the upkeep. Nov 10 20:17:19 atlanta_: the current measurement seems whack Nov 10 20:17:32 -211 mA? Nov 10 20:17:44 oh wait, that would make sense Nov 10 20:17:47 if the charger is connected Nov 10 20:17:56 lol Nov 10 20:18:01 gotta go Nov 10 20:18:01 have fun Nov 10 20:18:06 we will see how smart it is :) Nov 10 20:22:12 morning. anyone alpha testing Preware 0.9.6 ? Nov 10 20:22:38 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/all/org.webosinternals.preware_0.9.6_all.ipk is the alpha test version Nov 10 20:22:54 i am Nov 10 20:23:00 I don't see any issues with it Nov 10 20:23:05 what do you want me to look for? Nov 10 20:27:11 egaudet: nice - a VK mention in the real press as if it's a standard feature. Nov 10 20:29:15 this wIRC app is pretty slick. nice work oil and other devs. Nov 10 20:29:41 it's a very nicely designed app Nov 10 20:33:16 u use palm-install for preware or wget from the device? Nov 10 20:33:53 http://get.preware.org/ Nov 10 20:34:04 that's the easiest and best way. Nov 10 20:34:44 ok.. thats not the new version tho.. Nov 10 20:35:45 rwhitby: you want to handle that one. ;) Nov 10 20:36:14 bmyers: you use what the documentation says Nov 10 20:36:30 rtfm. tw Nov 10 20:36:44 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware#Installation Nov 10 20:37:21 thank you.. Nov 10 20:37:56 rwhitby: I think he was referring to you asking for beta/alpha testers of 0.9.6 Nov 10 20:38:21 bmyers: oh, were you referring to the alpha test version? Nov 10 20:38:50 does the 0.9.6 need the new ipkg service too? Nov 10 20:38:59 dBsooner-work: orthogonal Nov 10 20:39:54 ~dict orthogonal Nov 10 20:39:57 Dictionary 'orthogonal' (1 of 7): cube-shaped, cubed, cubic, cubiform, cuboid, diced, foursquare, normal, oblong, orthodiagonal, orthometric, perpendicular, plumb, plunging, precipitous, quadrangular, quadrate, quadriform, quadrilateral, rectangular, rhombic, rhomboid, right-angle, right-angled, right-angular, sheer, square, steep, straight-up, straight-up-and-down, tetragonal, tetrahedral, trapezohedral, trapezoid, up-and-down. Nov 10 20:40:11 ~punch infobot Nov 10 20:40:13 * infobot lets fly with a wild haymaker which catches infobot right on the nose Nov 10 20:40:18 ~dict orthogonal Nov 10 20:40:20 Dictionary 'orthogonal' (1 of 7): cube-shaped, cubed, cubic, cubiform, cuboid, diced, foursquare, normal, oblong, orthodiagonal, orthometric, perpendicular, plumb, plunging, precipitous, quadrangular, quadrate, quadriform, quadrilateral, rectangular, rhombic, rhomboid, right-angle, right-angled, right-angular, sheer, square, steep, straight-up, straight-up-and-down, tetragonal, tetrahedral, trapezohedral, trapezoid, up-and-down. Nov 10 20:40:26 blah Nov 10 20:40:32 forget it infobot.. no snack for you Nov 10 20:57:15 yes i was talking about the alpha preware ver. Installing it I got: org.webosinternals.ipkgservice depends Nov 10 20:59:32 bmyers: add a repo.. add the testing repo Nov 10 20:59:42 and the nyou can just update feeds in preware Nov 10 21:02:23 bmyers: you need to be running the released Preware before trying an alpha version for the very first time Nov 10 21:02:41 Templarian: do you have a list of all Mojo symbols that you used to create your plugin for Komodo? Nov 10 21:02:45 ok.will do Nov 10 21:03:44 flpalm: mojo symbols? Nov 10 21:04:34 Templarian: yes all of the names of their functions/objects—I am trying to compile with Closure from Google and need to create an externs file with all of their names so that it doesn't strip them from my code Nov 10 21:05:06 Templarian: I figured you might have something like that as you have code completion in your Komodo plugin Nov 10 21:05:34 The code completion is just generated with a python script that Activestate gave me. Nov 10 21:05:45 I have absolutely no idea how it works. Nov 10 21:06:13 :) okay, is that python script something they have available for download somewhere or is it just a special thing they gave to you Nov 10 21:06:34 It's included in the zip. Nov 10 21:07:06 It was written specifically by their lead developer for me to give to you guys. Nov 10 21:07:31 ok, I will take a look in there, thanks Nov 10 21:08:35 wIRC really works. Thanks guys! Nov 10 21:09:15 Mark_M: probably should tell the people in #wirc Nov 10 21:09:56 PuffTheMagic thx Nov 10 21:10:01 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1540 Nov 10 21:10:15 HTML5 spec & media objects Nov 10 21:15:30 Robi_: I read that a few weeks ago...I was hoping they had added the 'playRightNowDammit' method, but they didn't Nov 10 21:15:40 for audio Nov 10 21:19:43 ~punch PuffTheMagic Nov 10 21:19:44 * infobot lets fly with a wild haymaker which catches PuffTheMagic right on the nose Nov 10 21:19:50 get back to wirc Nov 10 21:21:19 sugardave: :P Nov 10 21:29:09 moin Nov 10 22:19:24 hmm Nov 10 22:19:54 when preware is loading feeds and in meantime i open new app it will get stucked Nov 10 22:20:41 * freakout just got his first "cowbell" message in Preware. lulz Nov 10 22:23:08 hello all Nov 10 22:24:43 sweet ! Nov 10 22:26:03 is anyone in here? Nov 10 22:26:11 shadman: just you Nov 10 22:26:23 :) Nov 10 22:26:32 lol funny ! Nov 10 22:27:07 just finnaly figured this thing out Nov 10 22:28:59 there are 140 people in here and no one chattin?? Nov 10 22:30:01 heh, some people are asleep or something. others are probably on way home from work. as i am about to be in several minutes Nov 10 22:31:03 just got home from work myself. I guess once signed in always signed in lol Nov 10 22:31:24 yeah, i run irssi on a server and basically never log off, so... Nov 10 22:33:07 got ya ! I don't use any messengers ... just the text on my phone Nov 10 22:33:30 woot. Nov 10 22:33:54 woot Nov 10 22:35:00 this looks cool. Nov 10 22:35:10 good job oil and peeps Nov 10 22:35:41 not many in here right now lol Nov 10 22:35:48 nope Nov 10 22:35:55 and im on here twice, lol Nov 10 22:36:34 who else are you ? Nov 10 22:36:41 shadman: prekatsev Nov 10 22:36:48 get it? lol Nov 10 22:37:10 that's funny ! yeah Nov 10 22:37:33 i got gkatsev by combining my first name (gary) and last name (katsevman) to produce an <8 char username Nov 10 22:37:57 anyway, im gonna head home bye Nov 10 22:38:05 bye Nov 10 22:39:05 later Nov 10 22:41:20 kool vk works well here to! Nov 10 22:52:18 anyone here know why Palm crippled the Pre's browser to prevent it from opening file:// URLs? That's really irritating. Nov 10 22:53:47 I mean, I installed lighttpd, and pointed it at /media/internal, so I can browse anything I drop into the media partition, but why cripple the browser in the first place? It seems stupid. Nov 10 23:05:06 jbrett: security Nov 10 23:05:34 (is my guess) Nov 10 23:05:42 * jbrett sprays coke all over his screen... Nov 10 23:06:37 I honestly can't fathom how preventing me from opening local html files is somehow safer than allowing me to open any random http URL.. Nov 10 23:06:46 Mojo-related security Nov 10 23:08:05 what, 'cause the browser would treat a local file as if it were a mojo app or something, and give the js interpreter more privileges? Nov 10 23:13:07 jbrett: file:// can give access to files that are not normally accessible to webOS (although anyone who gets command line access can get them) Nov 10 23:13:50 this is all conjecture on my part. an alternate possibility is that it's just a bug and everything I'm saying is rubbish :-) Nov 10 23:14:46 oh, I can't imagine it's a bug. It's intentionally crippled, even has its own special error message "Can't open local files". Nov 10 23:17:36 jbrett, it's not local html files Nov 10 23:17:52 it's contact databases, and so forth Nov 10 23:18:21 'cause if you can access them with file:// you canupload them. Nov 10 23:18:48 ?? Nov 10 23:18:58 * jbrett didn't grok that statement. Nov 10 23:19:28 how do I "upload" anything with the Pre's browser? Nov 10 23:21:54 maybe you'd be able to run mojo apps in the browser, bypassing the luna launcher? Sounds unlikely, and really, who cares? Nov 10 23:30:12 jbrett: you could upload stuff using a POST request I guess Nov 10 23:31:10 you guys did an amazing job on wIRC Nov 10 23:31:12 sugardave: to a local file? POST is part of the http protocol, has nothing to do with local files. Nov 10 23:31:59 I think Rick-work was talking about the ability to open an arbitrary file from the pre and upload it "somewhere else"...which is not what you want someone tobe able to do Nov 10 23:32:02 I thought we were guessing Nov 10 23:32:27 well, I'm certainly guessing ;) Nov 10 23:32:46 I've been unable to come up with a plausible guess so far :) Nov 10 23:34:04 if the browser can access a file:// (including the file with your internet banking passwords), then a rogue webOS application can do so too ... Nov 10 23:34:37 that's the security vulnerability that I've been talking about Nov 10 23:35:09 (and what Rick-work was describing too) Nov 10 23:35:28 jbrett: I suspect that's the reason why it is disabled. Nov 10 23:36:48 rwhitby: huh, ok, I guess that's plausible, since mojo apps aren't allowed direct FS access. Nov 10 23:37:16 wow though, what a crippling limitation to embed into the whole platform. Nov 10 23:37:22 * punzada sneers at his highlight being tagged a hundred times while he was away due to jbrett Nov 10 23:37:26 silly people sharing my name Nov 10 23:37:33 ;p Nov 10 23:38:03 punzada: ?? Nov 10 23:38:09 first name is Brett Nov 10 23:38:10 lol Nov 10 23:38:31 oic :) Nov 10 23:38:57 punzada: serves you right for highlighting on "brett" -- that's just asking for abuse ;) Nov 10 23:39:04 it's true Nov 10 23:39:10 it's all my own fault lol Nov 10 23:39:55 "jbrett" is a really suckful /nick, but someone on freenode beat me to "brett" ;) Nov 10 23:40:17 * punzada nods Nov 10 23:40:31 although really, in the long scheme of thing brett is a rare-ish name Nov 10 23:40:38 things* Nov 10 23:40:40 some one got my name too Nov 10 23:41:21 * jbrett is "brett" on every other IRC network, but not freenode. Nov 10 23:41:22 hmm, myspace mobile and x.facebook just cripple my phone Nov 10 23:41:35 wonder which is the real culprit Nov 10 23:41:55 * jbrett doesn't do myspace, but x.facebook works fine. Nov 10 23:46:46 hm anyone tried out the new wirc app? Nov 10 23:47:32 you have Nov 10 23:47:42 yup, it's pretty fantastic, lil too early for my taste though I'll be sticking with irssi until it stables out a bit Nov 10 23:48:00 i'll be following development closely though :) Nov 10 23:48:19 I know first try for me i've been using bitchx in terminal Nov 10 23:48:23 its much better than irssi in terminal app Nov 10 23:49:05 I think this is pretty kool, what is irssi ? Nov 10 23:49:06 I couldn't get irssi working for some reason but bx works great Nov 10 23:49:35 en0x: it will be, it's not quite there yet. I was exerperiencing some pretty break-worthy bugs within multiple channels, such as lines of text being totally ignored and not sent to the card Nov 10 23:49:49 I must say I like the separate cards for different channels tho Nov 10 23:50:01 I can deal with teh slow refresh of irssi if I can see the whole channel worth of conversation for the meantime Nov 10 23:51:08 jayvan_: doesn't the one-channel-per-card get pretty unwieldy with lots of channels? Nov 10 23:51:14 I think it will be cool if down the line you can have each server in a card and individual channels small tabs on the card *shrug* they can do a lot with it we'll have to see how it goes I'm no interface specialist by any means Nov 10 23:51:16 punzada, i havent noticed that Nov 10 23:51:21 add it to wiki talk page Nov 10 23:51:35 * jbrett counts his xchat tabs, sees that he's currently on 17 channels, not counting private /msg tabs. Nov 10 23:52:10 that would be completely unusable if each channel was in a separate card. Nov 10 23:52:40 it would but i'm generally not on too many channels at once. I agree with punzada tho that would be a nice feature Nov 10 23:53:23 * jbrett hasn't tried wirc yet, is just speculating that it'd get unwieldy. Nov 10 23:53:31 nice coverage of wIRC at precentral: http://www.precentral.net/webos-internals-releases-native-irc-client Nov 10 23:54:02 yeah 17 channels would definitely be a bit much Nov 10 23:54:07 who built the wIRC app? It's SO nice. Thank you. Nov 10 23:54:35 i hate the light colors still :P Nov 10 23:54:41 I'm expecting some other aggregation card where multiple channels are displayed in one card somehow. Nov 10 23:55:02 rwhitby, i proposed that to puff Nov 10 23:55:09 in status window i would say... Nov 10 23:55:15 s/window/card Nov 10 23:55:24 the dark gray isn't too bad. I'm a traditrionalist black background irc person myself. :) Nov 10 23:55:46 corq-FL, i mean nick light colors Nov 10 23:55:47 :) Nov 10 23:55:49 yes, black backgrounds don't make your eyes bleed. Nov 10 23:55:50 en0x: right now is not the right time in the development cycle to work on such things though - you need to get the basic functionality locked down before working on higher level aggregation IMHO. Nov 10 23:55:51 * punzada approves Nov 10 23:56:11 en0x: ah Nov 10 23:56:12 rwhitby, i know but putting it on wiki talk page can't hurt Nov 10 23:56:13 yeah, that's down the line work, now its more important the basics and protocol stuff works Nov 10 23:56:26 en0x: absolutely. the wiki page is the place for it Nov 10 23:56:48 i got my preware stuck again ;D Nov 10 23:57:36 en0x: got some debug info? Nov 10 23:58:03 nah cant get any idk why :S it just freezes Nov 10 23:58:20 i was capturing dbus and messages and nothing interesting there Nov 11 00:07:18 so any word on flash 10.1 supporting the gpu on webos without webgl? Nov 11 00:11:21 Yeah, sounds like flash is expected early next year with webgl late next year Nov 11 00:12:58 nice i'm a new pre owner and I love it my only beef is the lack of gpu support. Nov 11 00:18:51 * mumbles wants flash Nov 11 00:19:22 flash is the worst thing that could happen to web Nov 11 00:19:43 hai Nov 11 00:19:46 * jayvan_ agrees.. but it may not be too efficient without proper gpu support Nov 11 00:20:34 it wont be without gpu Nov 11 00:20:41 en0x: hopefully they will implement a way to filter flash content on mobile Nov 11 00:20:48 flash takes a lot of cpu power Nov 11 00:20:51 I honestly don't know what kind of optimizations adobe and palm have been making but I just can't imagine certain flash sites working on the pre at any respectable speed when they can pin my 1.7ghz laptop to the point of nearly crippling it Nov 11 00:21:00 jayvan_, they should have a switch in settings Nov 11 00:21:06 * jbrett couldn't care less about flash, wants html5 versions of stupid flash websites (like hulu) instead ;) Nov 11 00:21:09 or tap the video to open flash Nov 11 00:21:24 isn't 1.3.0 supposed to address the gpu issues? Nov 11 00:21:25 down with flash! Nov 11 00:21:29 jbrett: lack of a good open codec is halting that, too bad x264 isn't open >> Nov 11 00:21:30 flazer, no Nov 11 00:21:42 i read it somewhere i think Nov 11 00:21:44 flazer: dream on Nov 11 00:21:47 or maybe it was speculation Nov 11 00:21:48 x264 is open i beleive Nov 11 00:21:49 well Nov 11 00:21:50 css transition Nov 11 00:21:52 hold on i'll find the link Nov 11 00:21:57 flazer: 110% of bloggers get it wrong :-) Nov 11 00:21:58 or however its spelled Nov 11 00:22:16 gpu driver needs a lot of work Nov 11 00:22:25 they only hired the guy last week!!! Nov 11 00:22:34 well x264 itself is open, but h264 which it encodes to isnt Nov 11 00:22:38 because they hired some guy from ati doesnt mean that in week we will get gpu driver Nov 11 00:22:39 should of been more clear Nov 11 00:22:40 lol Nov 11 00:22:41 :D Nov 11 00:22:54 nice work on the client! Nov 11 00:23:17 perfect Nov 11 00:23:21 http://www.everythingpre.com/blog/palm-webos-update-will-address-speed-of-ui/2009/11/03/ Nov 11 00:23:32 they hired him last week and he hasn't written the drivers yet?! Nov 11 00:23:34 "The problem is the path to the GPU didnt exist, but now with CSS transforms, that will be solved in the immediate future." Nov 11 00:23:44 immediate future = immediate future :] Nov 11 00:23:50 as long as palm is taking gpu suppoert serioulsy i'm happy and excited for the future of webos Nov 11 00:24:20 jayvan_, heh and manage all the gpu drivers for pixi and pre and for future palm devices Nov 11 00:24:26 aint so easy like apple has Nov 11 00:24:55 flazer: it will happen, but you need to remember the feature set for 1.3.1 must have been frozen weeks ago Nov 11 00:25:08 they have a todolist Nov 11 00:25:11 my personal guess is we wont see gpu till at least 2.0. Nov 11 00:25:14 it feels good to speculate Nov 11 00:25:18 damn Nov 11 00:25:20 well anyway jump from 1.2.1 to 1.3.1 has to be big Nov 11 00:25:21 anyone check out the droid Nov 11 00:25:54 for sure it just isnt facebook app and txt forwarding Nov 11 00:25:55 :) Nov 11 00:26:10 there is no facebook app Nov 11 00:26:18 at least what was what i last read Nov 11 00:26:30 they poked with the sdk Nov 11 00:26:31 or emu Nov 11 00:26:39 haven't heard much on the motorola droid but read a few reviews of htc hero where people preferred the pre Nov 11 00:26:43 They later said that the "immediate future" quote was taken out of context. Nov 11 00:26:51 :\ Nov 11 00:28:09 http://www.everythingpre.com/blog/not-so-fast-on-webos-speed-fixes/2009/11/07/ Nov 11 00:28:39 it aint so slow except runing new apps Nov 11 00:29:01 it's somehow similar to wm speed Nov 11 00:29:01 ;P Nov 11 00:29:14 Right, I'm fairly content with the speed of my pre. Nov 11 00:29:22 me too Nov 11 00:29:27 i need some decent apps now Nov 11 00:29:40 dictionary apps and quizes are out of box Nov 11 00:29:44 i need a facebook app Nov 11 00:29:48 bascially all I want out of the device this very moment is proper integration of msn, yahoo, facebook into messaging with the option as well to AIM to be able to add/login to a messaging account without it invading your contacts, being able to have a 'find' within the browser, being able to chance notification options for various messaging protocols, and down te line add video, none are exactly 'far fetched' Nov 11 00:29:50 i want one that looks just like the iphones Nov 11 00:29:53 with chat and everything Nov 11 00:30:01 Also, to whomever was talking about flash, they've at least laid out flash support groundwork in 1.3.1. Nov 11 00:30:03 theres no reason it won't run Nov 11 00:30:07 flazer, what is so cool about facebook? i never had it Nov 11 00:30:28 it's a pretty common method of communication i suppose Nov 11 00:30:37 Facebook is useful for communicating, yeah. Nov 11 00:30:41 even people who can barely turn on a computer use it Nov 11 00:30:46 so i can talk to my uncles and shit Nov 11 00:30:47 for looking at pics mostly Nov 11 00:30:58 x.facebook works fine for me better than any of the available fb apps i've tried Nov 11 00:30:58 But unlike the iPhone or the Pre, Apps are the death of facebook. Nov 11 00:31:06 Damn farmville. Nov 11 00:31:06 i havent seen a lot of ppl communicating on facebook Nov 11 00:31:13 except looking at pictures for hourse Nov 11 00:31:31 jayvan_: I just wish it let you comment/view other news feed stuff beside status updates Nov 11 00:31:40 unless i'm missing that somewhere Nov 11 00:31:44 idk my sister keeps finding damn cats on farmville Nov 11 00:32:04 I commented on my friends post the other day Nov 11 00:32:08 Farmville, Mafia Wars, etc, all irritate me to no end. Nov 11 00:32:08 x.facebook.com sucks Nov 11 00:32:21 I agree, the mobile version just does not cut it. Nov 11 00:32:24 if someone comments on your picture you can't jump directly to the comments Nov 11 00:32:26 or the publicopinion or whatever it's called Nov 11 00:32:29 you have to go to your profile page Nov 11 00:32:32 and then click comments Nov 11 00:32:36 And if the app was delayed from the Pixi launch, it's probably for the better. Nov 11 00:32:39 x.facebook.com is much better than m.facebook.com Nov 11 00:32:52 lite.facebook.com isn't too bad on the pre Nov 11 00:32:52 * jbrett seconds/thirds/fourths a decent facebook app. x.facebook.com is useful, but far too limited. Nov 11 00:32:59 I'd rather have a polished late native facebook app than a half baked app that people do nothing but complain about. Nov 11 00:33:12 ehehehe Nov 11 00:33:12 have you seen facebook 2.0 for iphone os? Nov 11 00:33:19 what about a myspace app? Nov 11 00:33:19 :P Nov 11 00:33:20 or is it 3.0 now Nov 11 00:33:20 I had the facebook app on my centro, and that app was roughhh Nov 11 00:33:22 whatever the new one Nov 11 00:33:25 is not so popular anymore? Nov 11 00:33:25 I have Nov 11 00:33:25 :P Nov 11 00:33:26 it rules Nov 11 00:33:36 I actually find the mobile myspace site to be fine just laggy to hell Nov 11 00:33:41 It's very user friendly, Joe Hewitt is a great designer. Nov 11 00:33:45 it seems like a resource whore Nov 11 00:34:02 * jbrett wants a "font-size++" setting for the browser -- aka + in firefox Nov 11 00:34:04 damn whores... Nov 11 00:34:04 myspace is a resource whore Nov 11 00:34:05 :D Nov 11 00:34:17 jbrett: only if they add find first! Nov 11 00:34:21 Myspace is a place for glitter graphics and pedophiles. Nov 11 00:34:26 Nowadays, any how. Nov 11 00:34:30 * punzada demands find, nawoooo Nov 11 00:34:43 lol. Nov 11 00:34:55 wait, did you say glitter graphics? Nov 11 00:35:07 Finally Nov 11 00:35:21 well, bookmarks/intra-page tags that actually work would be nice too. Nov 11 00:35:27 it just makes sense to have a find option if you're streching pages virtically like the pre and other moble browsers do Nov 11 00:35:38 the lack of it disturbs me Nov 11 00:35:39 anyone found a way go to to the begining of url in browser app? Nov 11 00:35:58 Honestly, I rarely browse the web in landscape mode, on my pre or iPod touch. Nov 11 00:35:59 like a button? Nov 11 00:36:11 the lack of a font-size++ option disturbs me, 'cause I'm old and can't read tiny fonts ;) Nov 11 00:36:20 no Nov 11 00:36:25 I also prefer widescreen monitors flipped on their side for a longer view. Nov 11 00:36:26 Hi all, question about the wIRC. is it possible now to join channels with a key? I can't seem to get it to work? Nov 11 00:36:31 when u go to a website and on top uhave the header with url Nov 11 00:36:46 Smubeht: #wirc Nov 11 00:36:50 thanks Nov 11 00:36:57 when you tap it you can copy it or something ... how do u go to the beginingof the url Nov 11 00:37:04 what is wirc? Nov 11 00:37:12 flazer, irc client for pre? Nov 11 00:37:16 yep Nov 11 00:37:20 irssi ftw Nov 11 00:37:22 en0x: hold the orange key, and move your finger around the screen. Nov 11 00:37:29 en0x: you hold orange key with it selection and swipe left Nov 11 00:37:37 gotta check out wirc though Nov 11 00:37:56 I couldn't figure out where the download button was =( haha Nov 11 00:37:58 lemme try that Nov 11 00:38:20 if its an annoyingly long url it may take a few swipes Nov 11 00:38:34 although i think if its all selected it jumps right to the beginning Nov 11 00:38:42 * jbrett hasn't even bothered to set up irssi/bitchx in a terminal, can't imagine doing IRC on his Pre. Nov 11 00:38:57 oh thats what i was looking for Nov 11 00:38:58 thx guys Nov 11 00:39:00 trying to type fast enough to keep up with IRC would be teh suck on my Pre ;) Nov 11 00:39:04 a little annoying with long urls Nov 11 00:39:09 but i can live with it Nov 11 00:39:14 jbrett: I'm an irssi whore on my desktop so it was just natural I use it all the time on my pre Nov 11 00:39:27 i use irssi too Nov 11 00:39:30 but not on pre Nov 11 00:39:34 jbrett - irssi is awesome on pre Nov 11 00:39:43 the only real annoyance is the slow refresh rate when switching channels Nov 11 00:39:48 or accidnetly rotating the screen Nov 11 00:39:52 other then that it's pretty ace Nov 11 00:39:53 ^ true Nov 11 00:40:04 when i use it Nov 11 00:40:10 i want to take the rounded edges off the screen Nov 11 00:40:21 but most apps have that rounded edge built in and it looks weird without it i think Nov 11 00:40:45 * jbrett guesses flazer means "awesome" in the same retro-80s way his buddies tell him mutt is an "awesome" email client ;) Nov 11 00:40:46 how do you download thew IPK? Nov 11 00:40:55 * jbrett ducks the incoming flames ;) Nov 11 00:40:58 psh 'mutt', it's all about alpine :P Nov 11 00:41:09 :\ Nov 11 00:41:17 mutt is the best mail client ever Nov 11 00:41:17 its functional as hell Nov 11 00:41:19 and even then I've been forced away from command line goodness for email, too much html-based stuff nowadays Nov 11 00:41:19 end of story Nov 11 00:41:27 whats wirc like Nov 11 00:41:34 until something better comes along i'll use irssi Nov 11 00:41:35 lol Nov 11 00:41:36 flazer: isn't there a patch to take the rounded edges off? Nov 11 00:41:37 flazer, go to wiki page Nov 11 00:41:54 punzada, use lynx to dump html ;) Nov 11 00:41:55 :> Nov 11 00:42:00 jayvan yeah Nov 11 00:42:01 there is Nov 11 00:42:02 bind it in mutt and u good :D Nov 11 00:42:08 but what i'm saying is when you take it off Nov 11 00:42:27 the default apps still have a different colored edge in the same shape as the rounded part Nov 11 00:42:27 and then what, try to force to framebuffer for images? no thanks Nov 11 00:42:28 lol Nov 11 00:42:35 cool, apparently the omap Zoom 2 board also has the kxte9 accelerometers Nov 11 00:42:43 so somebody just submitted drivers to the mainline Nov 11 00:43:59 flazer wirc is all right using it for the first time now.. some glitches but that's to be expected for a new release Nov 11 00:44:28 is it in the webos-internals repo? Nov 11 00:44:39 its in preware Nov 11 00:44:42 its up on preware Nov 11 00:44:47 o.0 Nov 11 00:45:00 i gotta update preware i haven't looked at it for a few days Nov 11 00:45:02 shame Nov 11 00:45:13 It's pretty feature packed. Notifications and everything appear to work i was using it earlier for a bit. Nov 11 00:45:20 i dont know why everyone doesn't use this phone :] Nov 11 00:45:35 Templarian: speaking of notifications, we need a patch icon for the notifications bar Nov 11 00:45:46 lol flazer Nov 11 00:46:03 rwhitby: yea, sure. I'll put one up later. Nov 11 00:46:05 flazer: there are very blatent reasons but this isn't the place for that discussion lol. Nov 11 00:46:18 lol i know it was just an out-loud musing Nov 11 00:46:21 :P Nov 11 00:46:37 rwhitby: what is that one icon guys nick in IRC? Nov 11 00:46:54 What I'm upset by is how the media has turned on Palm. Nov 11 00:46:58 Templarian, meet Sketh (I assume) Nov 11 00:47:15 Sketh: true Nov 11 00:47:18 rwhitby, Templarian and I have exchanged a few emails, thanks. Nov 11 00:47:21 Oh didn't even think to type his name. Nov 11 00:48:53 When the pre was announced, the blogosphere loved it. Engadget raved about it, and then it became overshadowed by Android, and comparisons to the iPhone. Nov 11 00:49:10 Kind of upsetting. Nov 11 00:49:29 did you read the article on gizmodo about "why android will take over the world" ? Nov 11 00:49:29 They still talk about the Pre quite a bit on engadget. Nov 11 00:49:32 Sketh: I wouldn't worry. The tech press is like a hyperactive child Nov 11 00:49:48 Sketh: attention will return to webOS eventually Nov 11 00:50:03 why u think so/ Nov 11 00:50:05 freakout, ? Nov 11 00:50:26 lol I know, and they don't hate on the pre, usually. Nov 11 00:50:55 Once webOS get GPU acceleration and smooths itself out it will look much nicer in comparision and the flash support stuff. Nov 11 00:51:01 But I played with the Hero, I've played with the Droid, I've had an iPod touch since they came out, and aesthetically, none of them compare to the pre, in my opinion. Nov 11 00:51:14 webos and android are the future simply based on open source support Nov 11 00:51:51 UI wise the Pre is probably the best out of them all, much better thought out. Nov 11 00:52:02 s/pre/webOS/ Nov 11 00:52:24 That's what attracted me to it. Nov 11 00:52:42 imho if apple doesn't begin to allow open source app development they will be left in the dust Nov 11 00:52:46 jayvan_, android is opensource too Nov 11 00:53:11 @Jayvan, I'm not sure about that, because Apple is.. Apple. Nov 11 00:53:15 en0x: that's what I meant to say Nov 11 00:54:13 well the thing that differentiates Android is that it's going to be embedded in every device imaginable Nov 11 00:54:15 not just phones Nov 11 00:54:26 microwaves, house phones, the fridge Nov 11 00:54:30 [insert comment about android using java, but can't use that in this channel since we are just using JS] Nov 11 00:54:45 webOS isn't necessarily limited to phones, I'd guess, too Nov 11 00:54:46 Technically speaking, couldn't WebOS also be put in as many places as android? Nov 11 00:54:51 Right. Nov 11 00:54:59 That just isn't Palms style. Nov 11 00:55:07 * jayvan_ agrees with sugardave Nov 11 00:57:41 palm will take over the world Nov 11 00:58:05 I'm not sure they'll be that lucky. Nov 11 00:58:13 But it's a nice thought? Nov 11 00:59:28 hi everyone Nov 11 00:59:38 on irc with the pre :) Nov 11 00:59:45 so excited! Nov 11 00:59:54 Piyush: you are the 100th person to do this. Nov 11 01:00:05 lol Nov 11 01:00:24 I am excited, just the same Nov 11 01:00:28 hehe. Nov 11 01:00:47 dammit, was there a prize for the 100th person? Nov 11 01:01:16 A zukini. Nov 11 01:01:18 watever it was, I am getting it Nov 11 01:01:36 oh..never mind Nov 11 01:01:50 (funny I wrote out a whole joke about you winning a zukini, but then V the tv mini series started and I deleted it) Nov 11 01:02:00 haha Nov 11 01:02:16 my DVR failed to snag the new V, so I'm left with memories of the old V Nov 11 01:02:25 now, if only the pre can type for me aswell Nov 11 01:03:51 anyone working on a speech recognition / speach-to-text for webos? Nov 11 01:09:07 Templarian: was I the first one, back with ircII right when we got terminal working? Nov 11 01:09:28 Probably. Nov 11 01:10:01 of course I've totally missed out on the new wirc hotness, but I've glanced at the articles on it and the chan logs Nov 11 01:10:39 the wIrc client is awesome...never got irc to work before on the pre Nov 11 01:10:44 destinal: did you see the nice precentral article? Nov 11 01:10:46 It's really nice and feels very professional. Other than the whole font colour issue. Nov 11 01:10:51 wirc really needs to respond to CTCP, like VERSION :) Nov 11 01:11:31 rwhitby: aha, just glancing at it now. very cool. Nov 11 01:11:36 what's wrong with the font color? Nov 11 01:12:18 rwhitby: any official sightings of palm folks on via wirc yet? :) Nov 11 01:13:12 destinal: not that I've noticed yet Nov 11 01:13:23 destinal me Nov 11 01:13:32 I am using wIrc Nov 11 01:13:37 how could we tell Nov 11 01:13:54 hehe, I am not palm folk though Nov 11 01:14:21 egaudet: yeah, that's another reason it needs to respond to version, so we can ctcp spam the channel with version requests Nov 11 01:14:23 ;) Nov 11 01:14:59 :P Nov 11 01:15:14 see who's cool, who's not Nov 11 01:15:39 Lol Nov 11 01:17:13 for some reason /list does not work Nov 11 01:17:18 this is sexy Nov 11 01:18:45 thatdude1: on wIrc? Nov 11 01:19:46 interested in the 1.1.3preware patches Nov 11 01:20:04 alrite. later folks. need to renew some books Nov 11 01:20:09 whats good Nov 11 01:20:37 where i do i get the alpha test Nov 11 01:20:46 for 1.1.3 Nov 11 01:20:54 i,m lost Nov 11 01:23:42 davo_: do you mean 1.3.1? Nov 11 01:25:35 i'm going to look for my pre headphones Nov 11 01:25:41 i put them somewhere and idk where Nov 11 01:26:07 What makes them Pre headphones (did the pre come with headphones?) Nov 11 01:27:00 mine did, but I lost em too Nov 11 01:27:58 they're actually pretty decent little earbuds Nov 11 01:28:20 the cord is all rubbery and kewl Nov 11 01:32:45 why does wIRC depend on wIRCd ? Nov 11 01:32:58 Robi_: to talk to luna Nov 11 01:33:26 so its not an IRCd just a d to talk to luna? Nov 11 01:33:27 i mean 1.1.3 Nov 11 01:33:43 uk pre1.1.3 Nov 11 01:33:54 most of the patches dont work onpreware Nov 11 01:34:22 rwhitby? can you confirm or deny that from davo_? Nov 11 01:34:23 dBsooner: ? Nov 11 01:34:23 will wIRC have to be removed and reinstalled to update to 1.3.1? Nov 11 01:34:36 Robi_.. I would ask PuffTheMagic. Nov 11 01:34:40 He wrote the service. Nov 11 01:34:45 PreSolutions: no Nov 11 01:34:49 PreSolutions: no Nov 11 01:34:55 It's an application Nov 11 01:35:43 anything interesting in PalmCast so far rwhitby? I just got in .. Nov 11 01:35:51 ok, I thought maybe bc of the patch that you have to also install Nov 11 01:36:05 PreSolutions: not a patch. Nov 11 01:36:28 PreSolutions: we made sure to give them all different icons. Patches have a little patch icon services have a gear. Nov 11 01:37:01 PreSolutions: shouldnt need to be Nov 11 01:37:57 PuffTheMagic: can you answer Robi_'s question? Nov 11 01:38:52 Robi_: what was your question? Nov 11 01:39:02 There is a version of the Package Manager Service in alpha testing which sets up the webos-patches feed to automatically select the patches which match the currently-running webOS version. Nov 11 01:39:12 this is what i amlooking for Nov 11 01:39:22 davo_: that's already released Nov 11 01:39:30 where Nov 11 01:39:46 in Preware Nov 11 01:39:57 0.9.17 is the latest Nov 11 01:40:16 PuffTheMagic: he wanted to know if the wIRCd was just a service to tlak to lUna, not a "daemon" per se Nov 11 01:40:37 yeah, ircd's usually accept connections from other users ;-) Nov 11 01:40:45 should be wircservice Nov 11 01:41:07 (IMHO) Nov 11 01:42:10 Robi_: wIRCd does not "talk to luna", it listens on dbus for requests then replies to those requests Nov 11 01:42:12 I thought so too Nov 11 01:42:53 rwhitby: its a daemon that is a service Nov 11 01:43:06 java services can not be daemons Nov 11 01:43:12 C services can be :D Nov 11 01:43:32 PuffTheMagic: every other program on the internet with "ircd" in the name is an IRC Server. Nov 11 01:43:52 but I know how much you like to be different from existing conventions ;-) Nov 11 01:44:31 rwhitby: well i wasnt thinking about that when i named it that, i was just thinking how its like every other "daemon' on my linux box Nov 11 01:44:42 PuffTheMagic: I expect just changing the Title metadata will fix the confusion. Nov 11 01:44:44 a app that has no gui that runs in the background and does stuff Nov 11 01:45:09 no need to change the package id Nov 11 01:45:21 but that's all your call anyway :-) Nov 11 01:45:50 dont you have "wIRCd - webOS IRC Service" in the description? Nov 11 01:45:56 or do you have Daemon? Nov 11 01:45:59 Hey guys, i've got an Palm pre version 1.2.1 and i'm using the palm in holland with an rebel2 simcard... is it wise to upgrade it to 1.3.1 or would this give me an bricked phone? Nov 11 01:53:54 Welcome Holland! Wish I had an answer for u Nov 11 01:54:20 markstag: you can't brick the Pre Nov 11 01:54:47 alright, so i can just accept the upgrade Nov 11 01:56:02 markstag: you will always be able to use the webOS Doctor to completely wipe the phone. Nov 11 01:56:29 alright cool, entering the update manager now Nov 11 01:57:14 install now:D Nov 11 01:57:19 hope you guys are right Nov 11 01:57:31 do not remove the battery Nov 11 01:57:54 i'm pretty impressed with wIRC Nov 11 01:58:02 much easier to read than irssi lol Nov 11 02:00:01 the update takes a while Nov 11 02:00:07 PuffTheMagic: well it made me pause and not install it yet.. :) dindi't want to join freenode ircd with my pre :P Nov 11 02:01:57 "freenode ircd"? Nov 11 02:02:35 wIRCd makes your Pre into a freenode server :-) Nov 11 02:03:27 no wonder my battery is going dead Nov 11 02:03:47 dont close the app or you'll kill the west coast Nov 11 02:05:47 lol Nov 11 02:05:56 not that there's anything wrong with that Nov 11 02:05:59 wIRCd != ircd Nov 11 02:08:04 anyone is good is good in databases? Nov 11 02:08:13 double good? Nov 11 02:09:31 what is wrong in this: Nov 11 02:09:32 select * from wklej_wpis where autor = "antoszka"; Nov 11 02:09:38 wklej_wpis is a table Nov 11 02:10:10 and I get like Nov 11 02:10:11 ERROR: column "antoszka" does not exist Nov 11 02:10:50 ok got it Nov 11 02:11:12 i had to use ' instead of " quotes Nov 11 02:11:53 * haeffb is baffled by how often just asking the question will show you the answer Nov 11 02:12:18 like you knew it all along, but just weren't aware Nov 11 02:13:07 pre is rebooting Nov 11 02:14:05 takes ages Nov 11 02:14:14 Ages for glory. Nov 11 02:14:32 let's hope so Nov 11 02:14:50 It always seems to take longer when you expect that it might fail. Nov 11 02:15:13 the system update palm webos 1.2.1 was succesfully installed Nov 11 02:15:53 it seems faster to Nov 11 02:16:08 it always seems faster Nov 11 02:16:41 Just like it seemed faster when I moved all my apps with mvapp, and I'm still convinced it is. Nov 11 02:17:03 THE WISH WAS THE FATHER OF THE THOUGHT Nov 11 02:17:46 how do i get the shitty sprint stuf away? Nov 11 02:18:06 As in the NFL app? etc? Nov 11 02:18:11 ye Nov 11 02:18:12 s Nov 11 02:18:21 There's a patch for that. Nov 11 02:18:30 (In preware) Nov 11 02:18:53 i like the nfl app thank you very much =P Nov 11 02:18:54 hmm no core thing Nov 11 02:19:11 haha wel i dont think it has any use in holland Nov 11 02:19:16 haha Nov 11 02:19:17 likely not Nov 11 02:19:32 why would your phone get loaded with sprint apps ? Nov 11 02:19:41 I'm cool with the NFL app, but there should be an easy way to delete it. Nov 11 02:19:55 He just updated to 1.2.1 from sprint. Nov 11 02:19:58 yes strange Nov 11 02:20:05 no i did not Nov 11 02:20:14 i've got an o2 pre Nov 11 02:20:14 why would have a sprint update is what i mean Nov 11 02:20:20 I mean, err, a sprint image, yes? Nov 11 02:20:21 o2 pre loaded with sprint apps? Nov 11 02:20:26 yes Nov 11 02:20:32 thats weird Nov 11 02:20:35 realy weird Nov 11 02:20:57 cant u reimage it with an o2 webos doctor? or is that not existing? Nov 11 02:21:07 or does the o2 pres all come iwth this? Nov 11 02:21:09 with* Nov 11 02:21:18 dont know realy Nov 11 02:22:06 PuffTheMagic: seriously consider making that wIRCservice instead of daemon Nov 11 02:22:07 the phone is shiped from UK and its an GSM o2 version. so i just did the update from the phone and now my menu is full with this sprint stuff Nov 11 02:22:29 Robi_: doesnt the title say "Service" Nov 11 02:22:44 nascar, nfl, amazon Nov 11 02:24:24 who is effected by wIRCd as a daemon? Nov 11 02:24:51 and PuffTheMagic it says wIRCd - WebOS IRC Dae... Nov 11 02:24:58 PuffTheMagic: no it doesn't Nov 11 02:25:12 PuffTheMagic: rdy for some feedback? Nov 11 02:25:25 egaudet: well that can get fixed, i though rwhitby put Service in the description Nov 11 02:25:34 yea I can change that anytime too Nov 11 02:25:35 Robi_: we have #wirc for feedback Nov 11 02:26:12 whats good Nov 11 02:26:12 is it posible to change the icons that are set at the bottum? Nov 11 02:26:56 wirc??? Nov 11 02:27:01 markstag: drag them off the launcher bar and drag new ones on Nov 11 02:27:08 hxr Nov 11 02:27:15 wIRC :P Nov 11 02:27:20 get it Nov 11 02:27:22 you can move them? Nov 11 02:27:43 the launcher icons? yes Nov 11 02:27:53 thanks haeffb Nov 11 02:28:08 tap & hold, drag off Nov 11 02:28:21 * oil is freaking out Nov 11 02:28:26 you can't have more than four, but they can be any four Nov 11 02:28:52 k Nov 11 02:29:04 oil? Nov 11 02:29:18 oil: Preware, Luna, wIRC, Blocked - that's what I have on mine ... Nov 11 02:29:31 for instance, you can replace Calendar with Agenda... :p Nov 11 02:29:42 does the pre get's battery power trugh usb? Nov 11 02:29:53 markstag: usb or touchstone Nov 11 02:30:10 as my package does not contain an dutch power cable:') Nov 11 02:30:24 markstag: yup Nov 11 02:32:55 * rwhitby bbl Nov 11 02:34:06 +PuffTheMagic: My man! Nov 11 02:34:19 oh no Nov 11 02:34:21 sup Nov 11 02:34:34 What's up everyone and oh yeah Puff :P Nov 11 02:34:46 I see pre Nov 11 02:34:47 :P Nov 11 02:34:54 <3 rwhitby Nov 11 02:34:57 evdo Nov 11 02:35:43 So what's everyone up too? Nov 11 02:36:40 Alright thats my queue Nov 11 02:40:39 dBsooner, have u added the new patches to feeds yet? Nov 11 02:40:49 doing it in a min Nov 11 02:41:14 woot Nov 11 02:41:27 kk Nov 11 02:46:11 hmm Nov 11 02:47:01 nice, http://www.pheedcontent.com/click.phdo?i=da3baefaebecd8ebd0b9e6091b808ff1 Nov 11 02:49:45 wtg on the irc client. This thing is sweet for an early build. Nov 11 02:54:10 * St0rmD is here on his Pre. Nov 11 02:54:23 :) Nov 11 02:54:29 You rule. Period. Nov 11 02:55:20 I see lots of precentral members here...perhaps we should start a dedicated chatroom for general pre talks? Nov 11 02:55:28 someone make it happen Nov 11 02:55:32 plz Nov 11 02:56:43 connected from my pre! sweet Nov 11 02:56:48 :) Nov 11 02:57:06 thanks guys you're the best Nov 11 02:57:39 btw what should I put in so everytime I startup wirc it will join this channel? Nov 11 02:58:11 um... /join #webos-internals ? Nov 11 02:58:32 k that's what I thought. gonna try it out Nov 11 02:58:32 you can set a server to autoconnect, and /join #channel efb Nov 11 02:58:36 zsoc: where do I add that auto start? Nov 11 02:58:51 edit the server Nov 11 02:58:55 There's probably something in one of the preference menus, I remember seeing it.. like 'onjoin commands' or something Nov 11 02:58:56 add it to the onconnect list Nov 11 02:59:00 onconnect, right. Nov 11 02:59:06 server config page Nov 11 02:59:25 do I have to put efb? Nov 11 02:59:34 no no Nov 11 02:59:36 is there a doc page for wirc on wiki yet? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Nov 11 02:59:56 2009