**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Nov 12 02:59:57 2009 Nov 12 03:11:44 hey guys for a first timer what distro would you reconmend? Nov 12 03:17:59 linuxnewb: probably Ubuntu Nov 12 03:18:32 cool I'll try it out Nov 12 03:18:44 being a newb myself, it is all I've used recently Nov 12 03:19:56 yeh I'm trying slackware..kinda tricky Nov 12 03:47:05 Did I miss the debug session for the Preware "fixing unknown packages" hang? Nov 12 03:52:48 Anyone here? Nov 12 03:53:12 hi Nov 12 03:53:28 rwhitby was working on something earlier .. not sure of the resolution Nov 12 03:55:26 I have the debug info that was asked for, guess I'll post it on the forums Nov 12 03:57:42 good idea Nov 12 04:06:16 Ok, I uploaded the dbus-util logs ... do you know of anything else helpful that I can do? Nov 12 04:06:28 hmm, wonder if it would make sense/be plausible to add similar functionality (maybe it already exists with ipkg) similar to dpkg --get-selections so that after a doctor you could run the output through preware and quickly install the packages you previously had Nov 12 04:26:34 Is there an equivalent of ipkg-opt list_installed, only for Preware? Nov 12 04:27:04 doubt it, I think preware uses the same service Nov 12 04:27:19 well, uses the stock ipkg i think Nov 12 04:27:20 I mean, is it possible to generate a list of Preware installed packages from the command line? Nov 12 04:27:26 not sure Nov 12 04:27:36 ipkg -o /var list_installed Nov 12 04:28:05 ah Nov 12 04:28:07 interesting Nov 12 04:28:11 Ah great Nov 12 04:28:24 I was close, I tried ipkg -o /opt list_installed :-) Nov 12 04:28:51 and, damn jason for this youtube download mod, i'm going to fill up my pre now :P Nov 12 04:35:56 has anyone done research on the contact syncing stuff? I'm wondering how easy it would be to hack the contacts app to only display a subset of facebook contacts Nov 12 04:36:19 I don't need people I haven't talked to since elementary school in my address book :) Nov 12 04:40:22 dBsooner: ping Nov 12 04:41:52 sjanssen: why do you need them in facebook then? :) Nov 12 04:42:26 sdodson: I still like to stalk them, I just won't need to call or email them ;) Nov 12 04:42:33 Anyone have an idea what the bypassPINlock patch is for? Nov 12 04:42:37 Doesnt seem to make sense Nov 12 04:43:24 Has anyone looked into how hard a patch to block specific sites would be? Nov 12 04:43:56 Just thinking the first person to write it and get it working blocking the large flash serving ad sites will get huge praise. Nov 12 04:44:49 Templarian: the fastest way might be to change DNS/resolution to redirect those domains to localhost or something? Nov 12 04:54:14 do most/any of the DBUS interfaces on webos support standard DBUS introspection? Nov 12 04:54:46 not many if any Nov 12 04:54:57 we tried a long time ago .. maybe they've rebuilt with introspection Nov 12 04:55:04 but i doubt they would do that :( Nov 12 04:55:09 give it a shot if you want Nov 12 04:56:04 just brainstorming, I haven't even bought my webos device yet Nov 12 04:56:07 i had a thought today that might be interesting for someone to write .. a text-to-speech service might be interesting .. especially if it could play simultaneously with a notification sound Nov 12 04:56:19 I am stuck @ fixing unknow packages 19 of 20. Even after a reboot Nov 12 04:56:51 on prewre Nov 12 04:58:07 Hmmm... Nov 12 04:58:30 What are "things that make you go?" Nov 12 04:59:31 Motivation? Nov 12 05:02:14 nice jeopardy thing going on there Nov 12 05:03:06 he just made me think of that damn catchphrase Nov 12 05:03:15 or meme or whatever Nov 12 05:04:18 O_O wow Nov 12 05:04:22 it worked Nov 12 05:04:54 so cool :D Nov 12 05:05:04 keep up the good work guys Nov 12 05:09:14 btw anyone know the status on video capture on the pre? Nov 12 05:10:52 axmd: it's doable but most programming effort appears to be waiting on the enabling of the graphics co-processor Nov 12 05:11:02 demo apps have been produced Nov 12 05:11:29 dbus-util --monitor is super useful Nov 12 05:11:36 oh okay I see so your waiting on palm Nov 12 05:18:39 axmd: see the video capture page on the wiki Nov 12 05:19:36 ok Nov 12 05:19:53 thanks rboat for answering my questions Nov 12 05:20:04 g2g now peash :D Nov 12 05:20:29 G'day Nov 12 05:21:43 welcome axmd -- there's a massive wealth of material on the wiki Nov 12 05:22:49 I just posted a workaround for the fixing packages hang. It's pretty dumb, it just disables fixing of packages. Nov 12 05:23:18 talk to rwhitby he's frantically debugging it Nov 12 05:23:34 Is he on? Nov 12 05:23:49 I also posted debug logs earlier this evening Nov 12 05:23:54 ye was a few minutes ago. but it's his work day. Nov 12 05:25:53 any idea of his timezone? Nov 12 05:26:37 adelaid australia, GMT + 9.5 it's just now going on 1600 there. Nov 12 05:27:20 you might try /join #wirc and see if they're chatting about it there Nov 12 05:29:14 since the discussion there seems lively Nov 12 05:29:30 oh weird, he's actually in one of the .5 timezones? Nov 12 05:29:53 its awesome Nov 12 05:30:02 i wish america had .5 timezones Nov 12 05:31:40 ok will do thanks Nov 12 05:41:16 hi all. testing out wirc. Nov 12 05:41:21 Hi Nov 12 05:41:39 sweet :) works like a charm Nov 12 05:41:59 :) Nov 12 05:42:34 sweet I even get devider line when I am viewing differt card and return Nov 12 05:42:40 very impressive oil ! Nov 12 05:43:11 egaudet: hehe auto complete name to:) Nov 12 05:43:13 I agree, I was using it today at work. I haven't used IRC in years... Nov 12 05:43:31 how does the auto-complete name work? Nov 12 05:43:48 even with notifications on the bottm so far so good Nov 12 05:43:55 hold gesture area with right thumb -- tap orange button with left hand -- autocomplete Nov 12 05:43:58 hold gesture, tap orange Nov 12 05:44:01 you type few letters then hit gesture orange Nov 12 05:44:16 ah, ok cool, thx Nov 12 05:44:43 rboatright: I keep ding it wrong I do gesture with left thumb and orange with right I lose! Nov 12 05:44:51 lol Nov 12 05:44:56 it takes a few times to get it right Nov 12 05:45:03 i kept wanting to gesture with the left at first, too Nov 12 05:45:04 idk why Nov 12 05:45:36 haha ya the way rboatright said it is more practicale but I keep wanting to do it the other way Nov 12 05:46:15 ACap: the more you tap orange the more it shuffles through names till you get the right one Nov 12 05:46:50 cool. makes those complicated names much easier Nov 12 05:47:22 I just love the whole "gesture + keyboard" combo that opens up so many shortcut possibilities Nov 12 05:47:48 like in Terminal, using the numeric pad plus gesture gives arrow keys Nov 12 05:47:51 so oil the peforme on connection is the commands you want to take place such as auto joining a channel when you connect to server? Nov 12 05:48:05 right Nov 12 05:48:18 ACap: that's palm's idea but they don't take advantageof it Nov 12 05:48:23 003 sometimes has a problem with it Nov 12 05:48:29 but 004 will be solid Nov 12 05:48:56 anybody having trouble with the mark read-unread mods patch and the notification repeat for email patch? Nov 12 05:49:33 oil any tests with with battery life if wirc stays open? Nov 12 05:49:47 people have said they were going to test it Nov 12 05:49:51 i haven't seen any results Nov 12 05:49:54 it works ok for me Nov 12 05:50:01 someone say something directed to me I want to see what it shows Nov 12 05:50:01 but i never run it all day Nov 12 05:50:11 ok, I'm a mIRC newb, is there a shortcut for putting someone's name in like wIRC? Nov 12 05:50:14 Jack1987: this is for you Nov 12 05:50:24 awesome thanks oil Nov 12 05:50:39 jack, checkout the prefs, there is a gazillion of them Nov 12 05:50:57 ACap: hit tab Nov 12 05:51:07 Jack1987: thx Nov 12 05:51:12 basically, everytime there is an argument on something, or someone just doesn't like something Nov 12 05:51:21 a preference is created so both devs are happy Nov 12 05:51:58 haha good call oil. I'll have a blast exploring that Nov 12 05:52:26 ACap: I like xchat for irc on computer. look into it Nov 12 05:52:50 Jack1987: will do, thx Nov 12 05:53:06 dark theme is spooky Nov 12 05:54:05 what is smart text? Nov 12 05:54:32 sorry oil remind me the channel for wirc I'll go there to keep this on topic Nov 12 05:55:06 it's #wirc but over there they're talking about webos internals :-) Nov 12 05:55:35 lets talk about them then Nov 12 05:55:49 hahaha ghjm that's funny Nov 12 06:01:07 ghjm: hi Nov 12 06:02:03 Hey Nov 12 06:02:32 oh, Zuchmir2 has rejoined? Nov 12 06:03:53 has anyone run a Java decompiler over the luna services before? Nov 12 06:04:09 oil: hi Nov 12 06:05:05 rwhitby: anything I can do to help with the preware package fix hang? Nov 12 06:05:17 ghjm: can you write javascript? Nov 12 06:05:18 so I'm not having luck joining multiple using 'peforme on connect' Nov 12 06:05:35 Not well, but sorta Nov 12 06:06:59 ghjm: since you're already changing package.js ... ;-) Nov 12 06:07:05 lol Nov 12 06:07:16 I just really needed it to work... Nov 12 06:07:41 ghjm: we need to change the parallel grabbing of appinfo and control files into a serialised grabbing, cause we have a suspicion it's some parallel limit in luna dbus messaging Nov 12 06:08:07 I'll be able to work on it in about 3-4 hours from now, but if someone else can do it early that would be very nice. Nov 12 06:08:31 Ok I'll see if I can figure out what that means :-) Nov 12 06:08:52 I'm GMT-5 so I'll have to go to bed before too long Nov 12 06:08:52 ghjm: BTW, your debug logs support the theory we have (or at least are the same as the other logs on which we've based the theory) Nov 12 06:09:04 ok Nov 12 06:09:10 what are all the permission errors? Nov 12 06:09:35 ghjm: I think the cancels are the problem - they are coming from the infrastructure, not from Preware or ipkgservice Nov 12 06:09:48 and then I think the service is denying the weird cancels Nov 12 06:10:02 I have no idea why the cancels appear. Nov 12 06:10:26 but my theory is that all the queued outstanding service calls are hitting a limit somewhere Nov 12 06:11:21 Templarian: there's already a patch to block specific sites, it simply makes them resolve to localhost in the hosts file. Nov 12 06:11:58 I think wirc will now be my main client for irc Nov 12 06:12:01 i mean it uses it's own list but it's not hard to simply edit them in Nov 12 06:12:13 ghjm: I'm pushing a preference option right now - I'll get you to test that instead of your patch. Nov 12 06:13:35 ok Nov 12 06:15:03 hey rod....i was about to test y preware hangs but it didnt work for me using the linux command...but thing is it barely happens Nov 12 06:15:10 since I can actually run preware to install the new preware :-) Nov 12 06:17:53 punzada: nice did not see this. :) Nov 12 06:21:06 night all Nov 12 06:23:41 maxima2k53: what's the Y in X of Y for you? Nov 12 06:24:47 hey guys any progress? Did you see that g posted a script that will temporarily shim pw? Nov 12 06:27:35 AMRCC: autobuilder is releasing 0.9.7 with a Preference that does the same thing Nov 12 06:27:58 sweet - you guys are good... Nov 12 06:28:10 I wouldn't have been able to serialize the requests, it would have taken me forever to even figure out which end is up in the code Nov 12 06:28:21 rwhitby: has anyone else tested that pref? Nov 12 06:28:29 oil: just me Nov 12 06:28:35 worked without reinstall? Nov 12 06:28:37 I can test it if you like Nov 12 06:28:46 oil: on emulator, yes. Nov 12 06:28:48 xorg had to reinstall to get it to work Nov 12 06:29:19 oil: for those people with a 0.9.6 problem, it can't be worse, and for those with no problem, it won't matter :-) Nov 12 06:30:00 so why release 097 if its just a bandaid Nov 12 06:30:12 release 097 when it will work for everyone Nov 12 06:30:22 with the series change Nov 12 06:30:23 oil: the pref will be there permanently Nov 12 06:33:42 AMRCC: ghjm: 0.9.7 is in the feeds, Nov 12 06:33:45 maybe i just don't understand Nov 12 06:33:56 most people won't even attempt again till tomorrow Nov 12 06:34:05 and if you get serial fixing in before then Nov 12 06:34:12 releasing 097 now seems pointless Nov 12 06:34:19 if just to go to 098 a few hours later Nov 12 06:34:28 when only 1 or 2 people would get to 097 Nov 12 06:34:39 and those with a problem getting into preware to begin with Nov 12 06:34:43 will need to use quickinstall anyways Nov 12 06:34:45 ah, but if something comes up and I don't get around to fixing it in the next 4 hours, then I'm asleep and they have 0.9.7 for the next 12 hours Nov 12 06:34:46 to get 097 Nov 12 06:35:39 I test it out...no harm... I have to use qi to install tho. Nov 12 06:35:52 and if I do get 0.9.8 out, then people will just see a 0.9.6 to 0.9.8 jump and say "meh - they jumped a number" Nov 12 06:36:41 oil: but you are right, it's a borderline temporary case. Nov 12 06:37:42 Is 097 up for download somewhere? Or do I have to wait for you to push it to the feed to test it? Nov 12 06:37:54 its in the test feed Nov 12 06:40:18 ghjm: it's in the released feeds. Nov 12 06:40:26 wosqi will get it by default Nov 12 06:41:22 oil: the other rationale was that anyone who upgrades Preware in the next 4 hours (e.g. Europe during the day or after work) will not experience the problem at all. Nov 12 06:47:30 097 works fine for me. Nov 12 06:51:28 best of luck all. goodnight Nov 12 06:51:29 the camera is mechanically incapable of zooming right? software can't change that? or would the notion of digital zoom be possible? Nov 12 06:51:46 digital zoom is useless Nov 12 06:52:19 +1 to oil Nov 12 06:52:56 oh Nov 12 06:53:11 but real actual zoom is impossible? correct? Nov 12 06:53:20 right Nov 12 06:53:24 right Nov 12 06:53:39 fearphage: you can digital zoom all you want with a computer Nov 12 06:54:34 have the option to fix unknown pkgs default to off in 97 works great. Now I can install wrap pages ...yipee Nov 12 06:54:40 as well as outwward pinch for zoom on the pre itself. and even take a screenshot of zoomed it with orand+sym+p like cropping Nov 12 06:56:05 does that make sense fearphage Nov 12 06:56:52 so you can take a pic of the pic to get digital zoom? Nov 12 06:57:06 is there a global master key to take screenshots on the pre? Nov 12 06:57:34 ps I realized i needed to go Doh! after I complained about the Calendar default view to month not working. I already had defaul to week installed. DOH! Nov 12 06:57:42 its not really digital zooming. more so cropping Nov 12 06:57:59 i see Nov 12 06:58:01 ok Nov 12 06:58:08 the screen shot key is orange button+sym+p all at once Nov 12 06:58:11 is there a screenshot key/key combo? Nov 12 06:58:25 hmmm... Nov 12 06:58:37 i need to look at the key map for the emu Nov 12 06:58:51 but I feel like it will do what you are looking to fo Nov 12 06:59:22 oh... dunno about the emulator maybe rwhitby might give you a heads up there. Nov 12 06:59:29 is anyone familiar with where email to/from/subject information is stored in the pre's database? Nov 12 07:00:03 i don't have the phone. i don't even know where most of the buttons you said were Nov 12 07:00:56 AMCC, ghjm: can you please post that 0.9.7 fixes it for you? Nov 12 07:01:09 yep Nov 12 07:01:11 sure Nov 12 07:01:16 thanks guys. Nov 12 07:01:58 I've never taken a screenshot in the emulator. Only *of* the emulator using the host window screen shot facility. Nov 12 07:02:15 yea, that's what i do as well Nov 12 07:03:17 done Nov 12 07:03:57 i use ok+shft+p Nov 12 07:04:30 since the last os update...it saves two vers .png and .jpg Nov 12 07:04:48 wrong Nov 12 07:04:58 it always saved two Nov 12 07:05:08 the last updated included support to view pngs in the picture app Nov 12 07:05:11 so now you see two Nov 12 07:05:25 yep you are correct - the pngs were hiding before Nov 12 07:05:26 well fearphage if you figure it out let us know Nov 12 07:05:43 ok Nov 12 07:12:32 * rwhitby breaths out with a sigh of relief now that the new Preware version in the feeds should first do no harm :-) Nov 12 07:13:17 I really need to set up a wider alpha testing system. I guess we need a preware-testers mailing list or something. Nov 12 07:13:17 096 should have been tested more Nov 12 07:13:23 xD Nov 12 07:13:33 pfft... testing Nov 12 07:13:41 when we get feed adding ability in Nov 12 07:13:42 who needs that Nov 12 07:13:47 we can have people add the testing feed if they want to test Nov 12 07:14:10 oil: I've been considering putting the testing feed in ipkgservice, but disabled by default on each install (even if the user has enabled it) Nov 12 07:14:24 are there docs got the wiki for the mediaDB service? Nov 12 07:14:32 but there should be instructions along with using it Nov 12 07:14:47 oil: yeah, you're right. so manual instructions are better. Nov 12 07:14:49 for example, we don't want aunt minnie just turnin it on Nov 12 07:18:14 AMRCC: nice screenshot - watch out or you'll get a job as Preware documentation manager ... ;-) Nov 12 07:20:48 is duckin...It sounded like milominderbinder was whippin the docs up...I have no prob helpin tho....(i can proof with the best of them)... Nov 12 07:21:30 ooooo ... loves the card wrappin Nov 12 07:22:19 dbsooner still here? Nov 12 07:23:51 whos incharge of the main wiki page? Need someone to change the irc link to http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=webos-internals, otherwise firefox tries to use a client that don't work Nov 12 07:26:34 AMRCC: done Nov 12 07:26:51 that was cool I watched it change.... Nov 12 07:30:10 no db :( there are a couple more one line patches we need - http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Patch_Phone_Disable_Various_Call_Sounds Nov 12 07:30:21 the friggen end call sound drives me nuts Nov 12 07:46:29 ghf Nov 12 07:46:46 fgvnm Nov 12 07:53:54 gnite Nov 12 09:17:42 does anyone know how the com_palm_mail_Email and _EmailRecipient database tables are related? Nov 12 09:28:04 rwhitby: is the git master branch for 1.2.1 or 1.3.1? Nov 12 09:28:15 1.2.1 Nov 12 09:28:22 okay thanks Nov 12 09:28:28 there is a webos-1.3.1 branch Nov 12 09:28:42 nah. I'm just going to try it for 1.2.1 for now. Nov 12 09:28:48 make sure it works first Nov 12 09:34:01 rwhitby: is quilt still the preferred way for creating a patch? Nov 12 09:36:14 jauderho: quilt on the emulator is probably easiest Nov 12 09:36:27 or git on the emulator will do too Nov 12 09:36:40 or git on an unpacked doctor (but harder to test that one on the fly) Nov 12 09:36:53 nah I'll just do it on the device =) too lazy to set things up on the emulator. Nov 12 09:39:43 jauderho: do you still have hangs when fixing uknown packages in Preware? Nov 12 09:40:04 it didnt hang after I upgraded to 0.9.7 Nov 12 09:40:08 but I only tried once Nov 12 09:40:24 jauderho: if you turn on the preference to fix unknown types, does it hang? Nov 12 09:40:36 trying Nov 12 09:41:50 seems to work now Nov 12 09:42:12 although the Available Other -> Unknown is still misleading no? Nov 12 09:42:18 jauderho: so you can't reproduce the problems from 0.9.6 ? Nov 12 09:42:27 seems to be okay now Nov 12 09:42:38 my problem was not the hang Nov 12 09:42:55 it was the showing avail version as installed ver Nov 12 09:43:37 and I cant check that till there is an update in the feed for me to test against. Nov 12 09:46:23 oh noes Nov 12 09:46:30 jauderho: ah, that problem is not fixed, sorry. Nov 12 09:46:48 I thought you had the hang as well. Nov 12 09:46:52 if there is a file that already has a .webosinternals.orig Nov 12 09:46:59 I did have the hang. that seems to have gone away. Nov 12 09:47:14 does it come back with the preference set to yes? Nov 12 09:47:36 if there is a file that already has a .webosinternals.orig, if I create another patch against the original file, will it be handled properly? Nov 12 09:47:51 rwhitby: yes it comes back with the pref set to yes Nov 12 09:48:16 e.g. I have the following two files Nov 12 09:48:17 ./app/controllers/securityconfig-assistant.js Nov 12 09:48:17 ./app/controllers/securityconfig-assistant.js.webosinternals.orig Nov 12 09:48:46 I want to diff securityconfig-assistant.js again for a different patch Nov 12 09:50:01 jauderho: can you test a new preware version from the testing feed to see if it fixes the hang? Nov 12 09:51:49 I guess but I'm in the middle of trying to decipher this brightness control thing. Nov 12 09:51:51 =) Nov 12 09:57:32 jauderho: when it's convenient, can you test http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/all/org.webosinternals.preware_0.9.8_all.ipk ? Nov 12 09:57:45 you need to run it with the preference on, and see if it stops the hang. Nov 12 09:58:27 and if possible, capture the dbus-util --capture org.webosinternals.ipkgservice before and after upgrading Nov 12 09:58:45 so we can see the trace when it hangs, and then the same trace if it is fixed Nov 12 09:58:56 cause neither oil nor I can get it to hang ever. Nov 12 10:01:34 I want to change the number that the speed dial for voicemail calls Nov 12 10:02:04 anyone know how? Nov 12 10:02:27 rwhitby: okay Nov 12 10:02:32 argh Nov 12 10:02:42 this code is making my head hurt Nov 12 10:03:16 not to throw undue hate but some of the code in some of the apps are outright painful to read. Nov 12 10:03:28 at least to a non JS ninja like me. Nov 12 10:16:06 rwhitby: do you know if anyone has tried mounting an emulator fs on the host machine i.e. mac? trying to edit some of these files with just vi without syntax highlighting is proving to be painful (especially since they are not consistently indented). Nov 12 10:18:05 jauderho: just unpack the doctor Nov 12 10:18:28 eh? Nov 12 10:18:46 how? Nov 12 10:18:52 unzip? Nov 12 10:22:32 I have a python script for it if you like. Nov 12 10:22:56 nah. I just went through and started unziping and untarring things =) Nov 12 10:22:59 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=tools/meta-doctor.git;a=blob;f=scripts/unpack-doctor Nov 12 10:23:23 that's not python =P Nov 12 10:27:12 I dont suppose you know how to use komodo? Nov 12 10:27:38 trying to figure how to import an existing webos app into komodo as a project Nov 12 10:28:11 jauderho: oh, right - yeah, I've been trying to write more scripts in python to get more experience in it, so I just assumed I did that one in it :-) Nov 12 10:28:24 jauderho: Templarian is the komodo expert. Nov 12 10:28:33 yeah I'll ask tomorrow then. Nov 12 10:28:55 i still like my perl, python just seems so foreign. Nov 12 10:29:14 by unfortunately python seems to have won the scripting war. Nov 12 10:29:32 jauderho: I've written probably more than 50K lines of perl, and probably 500 lines of python. Nov 12 10:29:40 heh Nov 12 10:30:13 same here. it's like pulling teeth for me to "think in python" maybe I should actually pick up a python book. Nov 12 10:30:53 i do have a horribly mangled python script that trawls delicious for a keyword and generates an OPML file though Nov 12 10:31:24 become an instant expert in any keyword =) Nov 12 10:31:29 jauderho: all the preware autobuilder scraper scripts are in python Nov 12 10:31:56 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=tree;f=scripts Nov 12 10:32:06 hmm. bed or should I try tackling python-twitter? Nov 12 10:32:15 that's about the extent of my python experience :-) Nov 12 10:32:50 I want a script that checks an account that I have autofollow set and unfollow everyone that posts via API or twitterfeed Nov 12 10:33:10 that should get rid of most of the spam accts. Nov 12 11:06:04 * rwhitby is quite disappointed that 0.9.8 does not fix the problem for JoshMend on the forums :-( Nov 12 11:06:24 good thing I released 0.9.7 earlier ... Nov 12 11:43:48 stupid ISP is reworking the cable in my neighborhood, good thing i have MyTether on the pre Nov 12 11:44:12 surprisingly getting pretty good reception even though i'm in the basement Nov 12 12:07:13 rwhitby: what problem is that? Nov 12 12:09:20 fearphage: the hang Nov 12 12:10:02 you mean hanging like a g-dawg on the fly tip flossin with the posse? Nov 12 12:10:20 um, right. Nov 12 12:10:44 :) Nov 12 13:01:01 any linux gurus here? Nov 12 13:01:18 nah Nov 12 13:01:23 i'm so hangover Nov 12 13:01:23 :S Nov 12 13:01:28 lol Nov 12 13:01:51 I am trying to figure out where chown get's its UID/PID"s from Nov 12 13:02:00 s/PID/GID/ Nov 12 13:02:00 dBsooner meant: I am trying to figure out where chown get's its UID/GID"s from Nov 12 13:02:11 dBsooner, from passwd and group in /etc ? Nov 12 13:02:19 my passwd file and group file both show the user to be 503 Nov 12 13:02:23 and group to be 503 Nov 12 13:02:29 id user Nov 12 13:02:43 yes and what about it Nov 12 13:02:43 ? Nov 12 13:02:44 but when I chown 503:503 FILE it sets the group right, but not the user Nov 12 13:02:54 why dont u use Nov 12 13:02:58 i did that Nov 12 13:03:00 chown user:group Nov 12 13:03:03 I did that Nov 12 13:03:05 instead of ID Nov 12 13:03:13 because then I get permission problems Nov 12 13:03:20 i cant think yet Nov 12 13:03:24 give me 2 hrs Nov 12 13:03:36 ahh Nov 12 13:03:40 id Nov 12 13:03:43 says bad things Nov 12 13:03:49 hy sa? Nov 12 13:03:52 why so* Nov 12 13:04:03 [root@deluge etc]# id dbtrunk Nov 12 13:04:03 uid=504(dbtrunk) gid=504(myflicklist) groups=504(myflicklist) Nov 12 13:04:17 h mm Nov 12 13:04:22 I want that to be uid=503(dbtrunk) gid=503(dbtrunk) groups=503(dbtrunk) Nov 12 13:04:28 which is what the passwd/group files show Nov 12 13:04:41 thats weird Nov 12 13:04:43 # id portman Nov 12 13:04:43 uid=1001(portman) gid=0(wheel) groups=0(wheel) Nov 12 13:04:46 :} Nov 12 13:08:13 is there a user map or something? Nov 12 13:16:05 there Nov 12 13:16:06 fixed Nov 12 13:16:18 usermod -u 503 -o -g dbtrunk dbtrunk Nov 12 13:16:19 :) Nov 12 14:02:37 hello? Nov 12 14:10:27 oooo really liking the irc app **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Nov 17 04:48:21 2009