**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Nov 19 02:59:57 2009 Nov 19 03:06:23 oil: any reason not to release Preware 0.9.10 with theme categories? Nov 19 03:06:56 NO! STOP! Nov 19 03:07:05 YOU'LL DESTROY EVERYTHING! Nov 19 03:07:18 O...K.... Nov 19 03:07:26 * rwhitby backs away from freakout Nov 19 03:07:33 rwhitby, make sure there's an 18+ :P Nov 19 03:07:37 * freakout puffs, pants Nov 19 03:07:53 There's a Doomsday Virus built into 0.9.1 Nov 19 03:08:00 zsoc: that's up to the feed providers - they set the categories, not Preware Nov 19 03:08:03 rwhitby: i dont see why not Nov 19 03:08:05 I think the Installer guy/girl put it in there Nov 19 03:08:18 freakout: he/she doesn't have commit access Nov 19 03:08:35 they have h4x3d u Nov 19 03:08:39 rwhitby, oh stop, no one installs themes without preware, you're in the driver's seat ;) Nov 19 03:08:41 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/all/org.webosinternals.preware_0.9.10_all.ipk ready for alpha testing Nov 19 03:09:06 zsoc: according to the shootout, wosqi is in the lead for themes Nov 19 03:09:54 Good luck. My ssh key phrase is 42 characters long Nov 19 03:10:28 The 1.3.1 Doctor is out. Must... resist.... urge... to install... Nov 19 03:10:45 Interesting, the Sprint 1.3.1 doctor md5sum is different from the early access 1.3.1 doctor image Nov 19 03:11:05 is that really interesting? i thought it was known Nov 19 03:11:24 at least the release number.. like 1.3.1....1.4..14.. or something Nov 19 03:11:50 anyone got a bellmo 1.3.1 download link? Nov 19 03:11:54 rwhitby: it'd want to be, wouldn't it? The early access image was incomplete, i believe Nov 19 03:13:17 * rwhitby is glad that meta-doctor works natively on MacOSX now - much easier to test builds Nov 19 03:13:24 42 characters? Nov 19 03:13:30 * oil 's is only 36 Nov 19 03:14:07 memorizing it wasn't as hard as i'd thought Nov 19 03:14:13 oil, ipkgmanagerservice in java, right? Nov 19 03:14:25 the one preware uses? Nov 19 03:14:28 is in java Nov 19 03:14:31 the other test one is c Nov 19 03:14:36 idk if it even works Nov 19 03:17:02 oil, i may have asked this before... the executeCMD(), did you write it? Nov 19 03:17:05 Or it was puff Nov 19 03:17:08 right. Nov 19 03:20:09 it wasn't me Nov 19 03:20:11 idk who did Nov 19 03:22:09 Smubeht:hey Nov 19 03:22:18 Smubeht: er, hey Nov 19 03:24:32 yo Nov 19 03:25:04 I AM VERY FRUSTRATED Nov 19 03:25:10 that sucks Nov 19 03:34:31 zsoc: light a scented candle Nov 19 03:34:54 justaguy_, nah, watching glee instead. it's so.... heartlifting. Nov 19 03:38:00 ZSOC WHY Nov 19 03:38:14 Eguy, which part? Nov 19 03:38:24 start at the beginning Nov 19 03:38:25 a Nov 19 03:38:29 b Nov 19 03:38:33 c Nov 19 03:38:43 justaguy_, first there were the dinasaurs, then they died... Nov 19 03:38:51 nope Nov 19 03:38:54 what about the dinosaurs? Nov 19 03:38:57 first there was larry king Nov 19 03:39:02 justaguy_, you told me to start at the beginning Nov 19 03:39:16 whats a dinasaur? Nov 19 03:39:32 dina shore? Nov 19 03:39:41 a very poor spelling Nov 19 03:40:01 i dont think that was the beginning Nov 19 03:40:11 maybe the middle Nov 19 03:40:15 Larry King was the beginning Nov 19 03:40:28 i was thinking joan rivers Nov 19 03:40:37 they were a couple Nov 19 03:40:54 thats where dinasaurs came from! Nov 19 03:41:30 * Eguy goes back to #webos-watercooler Nov 19 03:43:59 zsoc: I know about executeCMD Nov 19 03:44:58 rwhitby, oh, i was just curious about using it as an alternative... or possibly even a standard for other java services that need to .. uh.. execute commands :P Nov 19 03:46:53 zsoc: sure. it seems to work well. Nov 19 03:47:25 zsoc: BTW, gstservice should build in Eclipse now Nov 19 03:48:19 rwhitby, i already built it in eclipse... did you miss my #webos rant about how intuitive i thought it was? Nov 19 03:48:22 rwhitby, oh, you mean from git Nov 19 03:48:28 i am dense. Nov 19 03:48:41 zsoc: yep, from git, which means the autobuilder can build it now too Nov 19 03:48:59 zsoc: are we going to include gst-launch in gstservice, or as a separate ipkg ? Nov 19 03:49:20 rwhitby, i have an ipk with it in...er... well now you're going to be packaging it :P Nov 19 03:49:23 zsoc: ah, it will need to be separate, so we can build for emulator and armv7 and armv6 Nov 19 03:49:30 oh, crap Nov 19 03:49:57 well i'm not really thinking pixi at the moment Nov 19 03:49:57 and if i can't fix this bug it won't make a difference :P Nov 19 03:54:50 Ok this is really _really_ creepy Nov 19 03:54:58 I don't have myTether installed on my phone Nov 19 03:55:01 as far as I can remember, i never have Nov 19 03:55:23 i have dbus events happening 5 times a second from net.aonic.tether Nov 19 03:55:32 what. the. garbage. Nov 19 04:06:02 zsoc: yep Nov 19 04:07:15 rwhitby, yep what? :P Nov 19 04:07:26 you referring to his general poor programming? :P Nov 19 04:07:39 er, i mean the habits of his scripting, not necessarily skill Nov 19 04:08:01 zsoc: it's the classic 1st-gen service script respawning problem. Nov 19 04:08:58 I'm starting to suspect it in the preware problem too, since the log I got from vicini had all that in it too. Nov 19 04:09:03 rwhitby, i've removed everything anywhere in the filesystem with *tether* or *aonic* or *freedesktop* in the name... and it's still mentioning things. not bad, but there's mentions. Nov 19 04:09:41 Also watching dbus is actually really fun Nov 19 04:10:18 rwhitby, did the ipk build? Nov 19 04:10:44 zsoc: yep, gstservice ipkg is in the testing feed Nov 19 04:10:58 zsoc: but I haven't started on gstreamer library yet Nov 19 04:11:10 BTW, it's not really a library - its a linux executable Nov 19 04:12:05 in this case, yes that's true :) Nov 19 04:12:11 rwhitby, pm plz Nov 19 04:29:10 what the heck lol You can universal search the Web app by typing in blazer Nov 19 04:32:31 lol Nov 19 04:32:53 What does the word "blazer" have to do with the browser? lol Nov 19 04:32:57 Im embarrased to ask but I'm doing a pre Nov 19 04:33:24 and I cannot get the downgrade software to detect the phoen...as I cannot get the "charge only" option Nov 19 04:33:34 Ohh... Blazer was the name of the palm OS browser Nov 19 04:34:30 Anyone got a link or a better google search phrase? lmao Nov 19 04:35:04 * rwhitby wonders what's so funny about that question ... Nov 19 04:35:43 Im laughing at myself because I'm probably missing something in my fatigue\excitement Nov 19 04:36:03 i'm stuck at before step one on the whole pre-cess which is also hilarious Nov 19 04:37:00 eh? Nov 19 04:38:03 How do I get qinray to install... I can't make a profile lol... Nov 19 04:38:31 qinray? Nov 19 04:38:46 oops wrong channel. Nov 19 04:39:03 this is where the novaproxy script sent me lol Nov 19 04:39:17 Templarian = hax Nov 19 04:39:21 * sk1tt1sh uses the sharp bottom edge of the pre to cut his wrist Nov 19 04:39:55 What's the command to deop? Nov 19 04:40:36 any hopes of developing a home screen (not a card/app) that will show an agenda, weather, news, etc? Nov 19 04:40:42 "/deop" Nov 19 04:40:43 ? Nov 19 04:41:01 It just has a lag hehe, fixed. Nov 19 04:41:03 Anyone here flash pre's? Nov 19 04:41:26 You mean install OS on the Pre? Nov 19 04:41:32 Yes Nov 19 04:41:47 RunKg, there is always hope. It's always just a matter of time. Nov 19 04:42:08 I can't get passed the profile creation page which means I cannot select "Charge only". I'm sorry Nov 19 04:42:33 Doctor it Nov 19 04:42:41 dowhat Nov 19 04:42:59 Templarian is trying to hax0r the channel! Nov 19 04:43:03 get him! Nov 19 04:43:07 * Abyssul runs... Nov 19 04:43:19 Torches and pitchforks for everyone! Nov 19 04:43:32 * Templarian remembers that eguy has control of the watercooler channel so he won't kick him. Nov 19 04:43:50 No one uses that channel Nov 19 04:44:05 lol Nov 19 04:44:18 Abyssul you mean "webOS Doctor" on it? I get to the point where it says connect your phone directly with USB Nov 19 04:44:20 We use it all the time. Nov 19 04:44:41 how dare you Abyssul Nov 19 04:44:46 +ban Abyssul Nov 19 04:44:48 I dare Nov 19 04:44:50 oh... Nov 19 04:44:54 Well thats a no bueno Nov 19 04:45:04 forgot this is not my channel :P Nov 19 04:45:18 Isn't it kick then ban? Nov 19 04:45:53 you can do either Nov 19 04:46:02 ban then kick Nov 19 04:46:10 yea Nov 19 04:46:25 most people have "auto-rejoin on kick" Nov 19 04:46:33 which makes a kick completely useless Nov 19 04:46:38 so ban becomes first step Nov 19 04:46:39 yeah Nov 19 04:46:47 ergo +ban Nov 19 04:46:54 or +b on freenode Nov 19 04:47:18 anyone got some pointers for me please? lol Nov 19 04:47:29 whats your problem? Nov 19 04:47:51 i cannot downgrade from os 1.2 to 1.03 because it wants a profile... Nov 19 04:48:04 why do you want to downgrade to 1.03? Nov 19 04:48:17 so I can change my msl spc and move it to another carrier Nov 19 04:48:35 you can't with 1.2.1? Nov 19 04:48:57 i don't know how to get into the phone Nov 19 04:49:09 why not simply sign in with your profile then downgrade? Nov 19 04:49:15 i don't have a profile Nov 19 04:49:21 and i cannot create one Nov 19 04:49:38 isn't that the "first run" apps job? Nov 19 04:49:41 to create one for you Nov 19 04:49:51 its a used phone :| Nov 19 04:49:53 haha Nov 19 04:50:26 i've never doctored my phone Nov 19 04:50:29 so i dont know all the tricks Nov 19 04:50:43 mmmm Nov 19 04:50:46 sounds illegal Nov 19 04:50:47 I don't have a profile, nor do i have service with sprint and i don't wanna go with them as they f'd me... Nov 19 04:50:47 isn't there some "boot it up while holding up on the volume rocker" thing to flash it? Nov 19 04:50:59 rwhitby: ping Nov 19 04:51:04 it doesn't seem to work Nov 19 04:51:14 * oil has no more answers Nov 19 04:51:18 sk1tt1sh: be aware of the stuff in the /topic of this channel ... Nov 19 04:51:28 dBsooner: yep? Nov 19 04:51:40 rwhitby: I am getting arm-none-linux-gnueabi-g++: error trying to exec 'cc1plus': execvp: No such file or directory Nov 19 04:51:47 when I try to build build.git Nov 19 04:52:04 that doesn't sound very good Nov 19 04:52:15 oh Nov 19 04:53:09 you guys got the NewsRoom RSS reader? Nov 19 04:53:22 $5... but it's worth it, imo Nov 19 04:53:36 woa Nov 19 04:53:42 dBsooner: it only builds on linux, right? Nov 19 04:53:45 it did something diff Nov 19 04:53:51 a usb logo on the screen Nov 19 04:53:54 hey, anyone know where the corner images in the luna-systemui are located? Nov 19 04:53:58 rwhitby: I am triyng to build it on my ubuntu server Nov 19 04:53:58 or what they are ccalled? Nov 19 04:54:07 "by downloading and installing this application you agree to not copy/alter/redistribute/deobfuscate/modify/decompile this application"? Nov 19 04:54:09 really? Nov 19 04:54:11 g++ is installed, so is build-essentials, etc Nov 19 04:55:44 anyone know about the corner images in systemui? Nov 19 05:00:39 rwhitby: fixed.. had to make clobber the toolchain Nov 19 05:01:00 forgot i copied it directly from an x86_64 Nov 19 05:01:57 is there a way to use wifi to log into my palm profile instead of carrier or is that against the rules? Nov 19 05:03:48 sk1tt1sh: webos-internals meta-doctor Nov 19 05:04:54 omfg Nov 19 05:04:55 anyone have any idea where the rounded corner images are stored on the pre? Nov 19 05:05:13 sk1tt1sh: that's the way to achieve logging into a profile without a cellular connection without violating Palm's copyright or Sprint's Terms of Service. Nov 19 05:08:37 how do i use this? :| Nov 19 05:09:09 sk1tt1sh: read the documentation Nov 19 05:10:17 so noone knows about the rounded edges then? Nov 19 05:10:49 here's an easier question, how do i save all the files so i can diff root after i make a change? Nov 19 05:11:09 how do i save the contents of the root, make a change, and diff the old root with this one? Nov 19 05:12:37 in other words how do i diff the pre before and after a change i make? Nov 19 05:13:12 PreMan, the whole file system? that is both excessive and ridiculous Nov 19 05:13:16 plus would crash your phone Nov 19 05:13:21 er, not crash, but force it to restart Nov 19 05:13:25 unless you avoid /dev Nov 19 05:13:30 okay, well i am going to apply the 'squarify the screen' patch Nov 19 05:13:34 but i want to see what it changes Nov 19 05:13:41 so how do i perform such a diff, i am about to apply it Nov 19 05:14:06 someone told me there was an easy way to diff it Nov 19 05:14:47 do you know how? Nov 19 05:20:21 do i have to log into a profile to use the upupdowndownleftrightleftrightbastart thing? Nov 19 05:23:25 PreGame, just read the patch? why are you looking to do it backwards? Nov 19 05:23:37 PreGame, sorry, mis tabbed Nov 19 05:23:43 PreMan, that was for you :P Nov 19 05:24:11 zsoc, there is no patch file, its just on that webosquickinstall thing Nov 19 05:25:02 PreMan, pull it from the feed? install it with Preware and read the warning message with the script in it? Nov 19 05:25:17 squarify the screen isnt on preware Nov 19 05:25:35 what feed is it in? Nov 19 05:25:45 its just on the webosquickinstall tool Nov 19 05:26:00 the one where you have to hook phone up to computer, quickinstall.jar? Nov 19 05:26:04 * zsoc facepalms Nov 19 05:26:16 it gets patches from feeds too, at least i'd imagine that's how it works Nov 19 05:26:29 some of it, but squarify is not done that way Nov 19 05:26:40 * zsoc scratches his head Nov 19 05:26:53 then why would you install something if you don't know what it does? Nov 19 05:27:04 it removes the rounded edges on the pre screen Nov 19 05:27:11 no, i mean how do you know what it does? Nov 19 05:27:14 it could do anything Nov 19 05:27:20 it could write dirty messages to your mother Nov 19 05:27:30 could, but it doesnt Nov 19 05:28:36 well wosqi has to get it from somewhere Nov 19 05:28:41 get it from the same place Nov 19 05:29:05 theres gotta be an easy way to diff this stupid filesystem Nov 19 05:29:48 you want to diff an entire filesystem, nothing about that is easy. you're comparing every line in every file Nov 19 05:29:58 but if anyone has a suggestion, dBsooner is your man Nov 19 05:30:14 huh? Nov 19 05:30:17 diff what? Nov 19 05:30:25 dBsooner, you can help! Nov 19 05:30:37 rwhitby Nov 19 05:30:40 look, i am applying this squarify patch to my emulator as we speak Nov 19 05:30:42 dBsooner, PreMan want's to diff his entire filesystem to compare before and after a patch which isn't available anyway but is installable with wosqi Nov 19 05:30:47 trying to figure out what its doing Nov 19 05:30:52 s/anyway/anywhere Nov 19 05:31:00 just ask jason Nov 19 05:31:00 ;) Nov 19 05:31:05 is it his patch? Nov 19 05:31:08 he's not online Nov 19 05:31:09 yes Nov 19 05:31:12 i could send him an email Nov 19 05:31:12 oh Nov 19 05:31:15 lol Nov 19 05:31:23 you sure it's his? Nov 19 05:31:30 yeah he made qi Nov 19 05:31:30 100% Nov 19 05:31:36 he wrote WOSQI Nov 19 05:32:50 doesnt it have to edit something in /usr/lib/luna/system/luna-systemui/ ? Nov 19 05:33:01 thats where the systemui is, and you'd think thats where those rounded corners are Nov 19 05:33:02 I don't know how it works Nov 19 05:33:11 i know its just an image replacement Nov 19 05:33:16 no patch involved Nov 19 05:33:20 it just replaces an image Nov 19 05:33:25 so search all the png's Nov 19 05:33:27 well then there is an images folder there Nov 19 05:33:29 for the one that looks like the corner Nov 19 05:33:41 i searched the pings, but diffing won't work obviously cuz filesize will be same Nov 19 05:34:17 whats an easy way to look at all these images Nov 19 05:34:32 scp * Nov 19 05:34:35 copy them to your hard drive and look at them in explorer with thumbnails Nov 19 05:35:17 i just scp *'d Nov 19 05:35:28 how dangerous! Nov 19 05:35:56 lol Nov 19 05:36:01 rsync ftw Nov 19 05:36:24 whats rsync? Nov 19 05:40:42 is there anyway to monitor commands given to the pre in realtime? Nov 19 05:41:21 or a modified date? Nov 19 05:42:24 how do you sort ls -l? Nov 19 05:42:27 by date? Nov 19 05:42:56 none of the files in the images folder of systemui are teh corner Nov 19 05:44:18 ugh, then where is that corner hidden? Nov 19 05:45:30 PreGame: Nov 19 05:45:37 preMan? Nov 19 05:45:47 yeah, same thing Nov 19 05:45:53 okay what were you saying? Nov 19 05:45:59 . /usr/palm/sysmgr/images Nov 19 05:46:06 wm-corner-* Nov 19 05:46:12 .... Nov 19 05:46:15 how? Nov 19 05:46:17 how did you do that? Nov 19 05:46:31 magic? Nov 19 05:46:37 do i have to have a profile to get the damn phone into dev mode? upupdowndownleftrightleftrightbastart doesn't do shit Nov 19 05:46:48 magic? Nov 19 05:46:50 sk1tt1sh Nov 19 05:46:52 what is your magic? Nov 19 05:46:57 yeah Nov 19 05:46:57 do webos06062009 Nov 19 05:47:08 where do i grab that at Nov 19 05:47:14 launcher Nov 19 05:47:20 huh Nov 19 05:47:28 type it in Nov 19 05:47:39 open launcher and type "webos06062009" Nov 19 05:47:46 i can't get to launcher Nov 19 05:47:51 why? Nov 19 05:47:51 fucking profile Nov 19 05:48:06 what you are you doing? Nov 19 05:48:17 PreMan: I have the stock os's on my hard drive. Nov 19 05:48:23 PreMan: i searchned for *.png Nov 19 05:48:32 and just browsed them.. Nov 19 05:48:35 lol Nov 19 05:48:37 genius Nov 19 05:48:38 you win Nov 19 05:48:42 i thank you very much Nov 19 05:48:47 No problem. Nov 19 05:48:50 rwhitby: ping Nov 19 05:48:58 *boomer sooner plays Nov 19 05:49:00 im attempting to get it to dev mode Nov 19 05:49:19 sk1tt1sh2: from where? Nov 19 05:49:35 from the numpad Nov 19 05:49:40 Can you type in universal search? Nov 19 05:49:45 open the launcher Nov 19 05:49:50 no i cannot get to the launcher Nov 19 05:49:54 WHY? Nov 19 05:50:06 I have never heard of someone that can't open a launcher. Nov 19 05:50:06 I do not have a palm profile on the phone Nov 19 05:50:12 so? Nov 19 05:50:15 dBsooner: he hasn't used meta-doctor Nov 19 05:50:28 * dBsooner is confused. Nov 19 05:50:29 i dont have ubuntu available Nov 19 05:50:54 rwhitby: how do I move these branches? Nov 19 05:51:04 dBsooner: dunno, never done it before Nov 19 05:51:14 sk1tt1sh2: do you have a computer Nov 19 05:51:20 rwhitby: that doesn't hepl me at all Nov 19 05:51:21 yes Nov 19 05:51:23 PuffTheMagic: ping! Nov 19 05:51:26 sk1tt1sh2: Virtualbox or Ubuntu Live CD Nov 19 05:51:33 okay then what Nov 19 05:51:42 sk1tt1sh2: have you read the doco yet? Nov 19 05:52:00 dBsooner: pong Nov 19 05:52:02 i did but i'm not good with linux... i'm very basic on it Nov 19 05:52:18 PuffTheMagic: how do I move the master branch to a webos-1.2.1 and move webos-1.3.1 to master? Nov 19 05:52:29 sk1tt1sh2: that's the only doco available on it. Nov 19 05:52:37 okay Nov 19 05:52:56 sk1tt1sh2: so you either need to use that, or wait until someone makes it into an easier-to-use tool. Nov 19 05:52:59 so unless i have ubuntu or a wireless carrier im screwed Nov 19 05:53:08 sk1tt1sh2: yep. Nov 19 05:53:19 sk1tt1sh2: oh, it works fine on MacOSX too Nov 19 05:53:33 dBsooner: git branch -M master webos-1.2.1; git push origin origin master; git branch -M master-1.3.1 master Nov 19 05:53:35 wow... can i force a profile onto the phone? Nov 19 05:54:00 PuffTheMagic: you sure? If I enter that, and it breaks.. I blame you Nov 19 05:54:14 dBsooner: go to #git then Nov 19 05:54:18 lol Nov 19 05:54:18 mac? how do u make it work on there just open term and say ".setup .configure or whatever Nov 19 05:54:36 sk1tt1sh2: admit it, you haven't read the doco, have you? Nov 19 05:54:50 which one it's not apparent Nov 19 05:54:55 i read the summary Nov 19 05:55:04 which URL? Nov 19 05:55:32 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=tools/meta-doctor.git or the rwhitby.net one? Nov 19 05:56:32 sk1tt1sh2: first four hits on Google for "webos internals meta-doctor" Nov 19 05:57:03 wtf haha wow Nov 19 05:57:24 ima stop buggin yall for now.. im too retarded when im tired Nov 19 05:57:33 im sorry rwhitby Nov 19 05:57:41 dbsooner thanks for trying. Nov 19 05:57:46 * sk1tt1sh2 puts on dunce cap Nov 19 05:57:54 no problem Nov 19 05:59:17 dBsooner: let me git pull before you do those commands ;-) Nov 19 05:59:18 rwhitby: what would be the downside of just leaving them on their own branches? Nov 19 05:59:35 dBsooner: none Nov 19 05:59:45 rwhitby: vote? Nov 19 05:59:57 * rwhitby is ambivalent Nov 19 06:00:18 rwhitby: I'm ok with just keeping them on branches.. Nov 19 06:00:18 do binaries for the pre run on pixi or vice versa? Nov 19 06:00:18 but people need to know how to push to the branch and not master Nov 19 06:01:54 man ubuntu has a slow fileserver :( Nov 19 06:03:20 why do you have to have a profile on the phone why can't you just ...not have one Nov 19 06:03:22 haha Nov 19 06:04:31 rwhitby: I' Nov 19 06:04:37 I'd say just leave it as is? Nov 19 06:05:42 dBsooner: yep Nov 19 06:05:52 hi, can someone help with an error in webos quick installer? Nov 19 06:06:04 I think I will just move master to webos-1.2.1 Nov 19 06:06:07 and leave masgter empty Nov 19 06:06:11 dBsooner: good plan Nov 19 06:06:28 alfromcal: don't listen to me, I'll just tell you to http://install.preware.org ;-) Nov 19 06:09:27 rwhitby, think i figured it out Nov 19 06:09:40 rwhitby: already searched that thread and can't find the error Nov 19 06:09:51 LOL Nov 19 06:12:06 alfromcal: that was a joke, this is the chat for PreWare... if you want help w/ WOSQI you need to go here http://forums.precentral.net/canuck-software/206905-webos-quick-install-v2-9-a.html Nov 19 06:13:35 rwhitby: sorry my error, I will post my question there Nov 19 06:18:40 sslow: well, we're happy to talk about wosqi here too. Nov 19 06:18:53 I was just declaring my bias up front :-) Nov 19 06:19:09 hello Nov 19 06:19:39 how do I cancel commit? Nov 19 06:19:50 on the remote Nov 19 06:24:16 nm.. i fixed it Nov 19 06:26:12 rwhitby: done Nov 19 06:26:23 rwhitby: webos-1.2.1 is its own branch, so is 1.3.1 Nov 19 06:26:26 and 1.1.3 Nov 19 06:26:29 master is "empty" Nov 19 06:26:35 Adora.. Hey there Nov 19 06:27:03 dBsooner: heya Nov 19 06:27:04 master was MOVED to webos-1.2.1, so all the tags and commits and stuff stayed intact Nov 19 06:27:04 I wish linkinus was better about staying friggin connected Nov 19 06:27:07 or maybe that's my evdo card Nov 19 06:31:32 is there a way to restart the novacomD service? Nov 19 06:31:42 (windows) Nov 19 06:31:59 i think 5 people just deleted what they were typing, heh Nov 19 06:36:01 arg Nov 19 06:36:05 1.3 is lame Nov 19 06:36:42 still cannot add a contact in less than 5 seconds Nov 19 06:37:00 or an important date, or share that date with a contact. Nov 19 06:37:42 that whole add a contact is flawed. Nov 19 06:38:01 the whole OS is flawed Nov 19 06:38:18 reality is flawed Nov 19 06:38:25 argg.. Nov 19 06:38:56 complaining is unnecessary Nov 19 06:39:02 adding a contact to an existing one, noticing that they do not have one already added... going back a step to 'add to new contact' ... erases the number you initially added. Nov 19 06:39:51 * zsoc likes his phone Nov 19 06:40:04 zsoc has a droid Nov 19 06:40:08 * rwhitby does too - it's a Treo 650 ;-) Nov 19 06:40:16 bah, droid is .. eh... Nov 19 06:40:22 palm pre for the win. Nov 19 06:40:24 android phones in general are "ok". not very intuitive Nov 19 06:40:28 * Eguy does as well - it's a Centro Nov 19 06:40:37 my pre is the only phone i've ever had i actually like, a lot. Nov 19 06:41:02 I wish java wasn't so... Nov 19 06:41:29 I wish webos wasn't javascript Nov 19 06:41:39 and used the gpu instead of ignoring it Nov 19 06:42:43 palm pre , bare bones out the box, down the developer gauntlent. Nov 19 06:43:04 you know webos is hardcore. Nov 19 06:43:29 if by hardcore you mean pathetic then yes Nov 19 06:43:45 I lasted a whole five or so hours tops after buying my pre before homebrew'ing it Nov 19 06:44:01 this dude said pathetic. Nov 19 06:44:01 well, after receiving my pre I should say, not buying it Nov 19 06:44:12 * zsoc shrugs Nov 19 06:44:20 A million people in america have webos phones. people like them. Nov 19 06:44:29 WIthout webos-internals it simply would suffer miserably IMO Nov 19 06:44:45 Very true, it would be unusable. Nov 19 06:44:45 without legs, running is too. Nov 19 06:44:59 i'd be disappointed with it Nov 19 06:45:02 it's true Nov 19 06:45:03 webos is linux, developers come with the territory. Nov 19 06:45:07 I would want a refund Nov 19 06:45:07 now i'm just semi-annoyed by stuff Nov 19 06:45:34 Now I am just sorta beaten and battered and waiting for development Nov 19 06:45:55 rwhitby: ReTweet me! Nov 19 06:48:05 Adora|Home: retweet me! Nov 19 06:48:13 link? Nov 19 06:48:21 who is adora Nov 19 06:48:32 hi all: I'm trying to get my wife ready to upgrade to 1.3.1, but her PreWare doesn't have Emergency Patch Recovery listed under "List of Everything" Nov 19 06:48:35 http://twitter.com/dBsooner Nov 19 06:48:55 Eguy: Adora|Home = the hotty that used to hang out in the palm cast lives. Nov 19 06:49:01 I've turned on all feeds and set all types to show Nov 19 06:49:10 flare576: update feeds Nov 19 06:49:21 and then just start typing "emergency" Nov 19 06:49:23 without the quotes Nov 19 06:49:29 dBsooner: you have such modest opinion of me Nov 19 06:49:32 hehehe Nov 19 06:49:40 a she? Nov 19 06:49:50 My fault.. let me rephrase it then Adora|Home.. Nov 19 06:49:51 yup, tried that a few times so far. I can find it on mine, not hers :( Nov 19 06:50:11 flare576: what does the URL under webos-internals say in your Manage Feeds page? Nov 19 06:50:30 Eguy: She is Lisa. She is in developer relations at @Palm. Nov 19 06:50:40 She is very good to the devs. Nov 19 06:50:54 * Templarian has the best twitter background for webos development. Nov 19 06:50:57 Oh...I am ashamed Nov 19 06:50:59 rwhitby: bah, it says "feed" Nov 19 06:51:03 Sorry Lisa Nov 19 06:51:14 flare576: reinstall package manager service Nov 19 06:51:21 you can probably recognize me from the palmcast as well Nov 19 06:51:28 flare576: following the instructions this time :-) Nov 19 06:51:32 thanks rwhitby Nov 19 06:51:46 heyyyy, it's the wife's phone! Nov 19 06:52:12 thanks :D Nov 19 06:52:29 btw: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Updating_webOS_Versions Nov 19 06:52:39 ^^ My tutorial on updating webos Nov 19 06:52:56 click update? Nov 19 06:53:08 * dBsooner is off to bed Nov 19 06:53:18 rwhitby: you git pull the mods? Nov 19 06:53:29 its scary doing an "ls -a" in modifications and only seeing .git Nov 19 06:53:30 lol Nov 19 06:54:07 dBsooner: I have the version before you moved the branches. I'm not pulling for 24 hours. Nov 19 06:54:15 lol Nov 19 06:54:15 ok Nov 19 06:54:24 you can always reset the head Nov 19 06:54:32 you don't have to hold yours. ;) Nov 19 06:54:58 nice pic Nov 19 06:54:59 notice two big ones in the latest push Nov 19 06:55:11 SMS Tone Per Contact Nov 19 06:55:23 Hide Launcher Nov 19 06:55:52 KeyToss Keyword Search Nov 19 07:00:51 dBsooner: did you push the 1.2.1 branch? Nov 19 07:00:57 yes Nov 19 07:01:10 git branch webos-1.2.1 origin/webos-1.2.1 Nov 19 07:04:47 get it? Nov 19 07:06:43 btw, wIRC is hotness. adios! Nov 19 07:07:27 I created a couple patches for the web browser but both require the bookmark-overlay.png file to be replaced. What do I need to do to package it up to be made available in the patches feed? Nov 19 07:15:15 freakout, did you ever figure out how they turned palm os phone to android? Nov 19 07:16:16 freakout, i know the project is about a year old or so but i cant find any hard details other the talk about it before happening few different sources but no fallow ups Nov 19 07:30:17 jack1987: nope, couldn't find anything Nov 19 07:30:41 jack1987: presumably one needs to download the android source code and compile it for the 650's processor Nov 19 07:30:50 but that's a bit beyond my ken Nov 19 07:31:22 I have Cocoboot, which is the Linux loader for PalmOS Nov 19 07:31:53 freakout, i wish i had the knowledge to help sounds pretty neat Nov 19 07:32:23 freakout, i was asking around in android channel but no luck there either. it be fun for sure Nov 19 07:32:49 freakout, i think 755p and centro processors could handle it pretty well Nov 19 07:45:19 jack1987: I hope to find out one day Nov 19 07:45:31 so far as i know though the 650 actually had the same processor as the Centro and the 755, heh Nov 19 07:46:02 freakout, really? interesting! Nov 19 07:46:39 jack1987, yup. a 320mhz ARM IIRC Nov 19 07:46:40 is this the jack that is working on my tether with aonic? Nov 19 07:47:30 trim-pre, yes sir Nov 19 07:47:53 freakout, palm os ran better on my 755p and centro then ever on 650 Nov 19 07:48:12 freakout, but i guess it has more then just processor Nov 19 07:48:30 lol. well, it crashed a lot, but the 650 was actually the snappiest PalmOS device I ever had Nov 19 07:48:42 680 was majorly laggy by comparison Nov 19 07:49:00 centro was better, but not 650 speed. I think the 650's smaller RAM made it quicker Nov 19 07:49:24 jack: any status on wifi tethering? Nov 19 07:50:32 trim-pre, solution has been found but breaks cam Nov 19 07:51:14 i talked to him about having the ability to turn on ability for wifi and disable cam app and vice versa straight from the app itself i think that is what he is doing now as well as making a new installer Nov 19 07:51:55 freakout, my snappiest was samsung i500 the problem was it ran palm os4 Nov 19 07:52:15 jack1987: tethering breaks camera? how can they be related? Nov 19 07:52:48 strange on camera Nov 19 07:52:56 rwhitby, it also broke charging Nov 19 07:53:11 rwhitby: he needs more "donations." Nov 19 07:53:29 lol Nov 19 07:53:31 in all honesty it is a donation Nov 19 07:54:08 could you make an app and make it a purchase and have people expect what they pay for to work when palm and sprint are bound to intentionally break it Nov 19 07:55:00 if one could assure their app would not be targeted then sure term purchase would go fine Nov 19 07:55:21 jack1987: donation/payment aside, I just don't understand how a fix for tethering can break camera and charging, unless he's replacing the kernel or something? Nov 19 07:55:24 otherwise free solution is available and ability for wifi is there for advanced users Nov 19 07:55:58 rwhitby, then i would assume thats what is going on. Nov 19 07:56:20 but is only a temp solution for people who really want wifi Nov 19 07:56:39 at least until palm announces their changes. Nov 19 07:57:27 rwhitby, any insight Nov 19 07:57:40 jack1987: insight into what? Nov 19 07:58:06 rwhitby, replacement of kernel or alternative to adhoc on the pre? Nov 19 07:58:30 and seriously, I doubt Palm is targeting this app - the techniques used are just brittle in the face of normal development of webOS. Nov 19 07:59:03 any time you rely on a binary from someone else for the functionality you need, you're always going to loose. Nov 19 07:59:07 the first time with the change of the driver all together was definitely a target Nov 19 07:59:45 this time around it might of been more accidental although change in kernel prevents use of old driver Nov 19 08:00:23 meh - I have no information either way, but I do know that what happened each time were things that are quite commonplace in embedded development. Nov 19 08:00:27 although aonic thinks this time was more accidental than intentional Nov 19 08:00:37 what's the status on the backup prog? Nov 19 08:00:55 it's clear that kernel change is intentional, cause it needs to support Pre and Pixi now. You can't do that without changing the kernel. Nov 19 08:01:16 when i say intentional i reffer to breaking of tethering Nov 19 08:01:27 and when you have a binary module that you can't recompile, it's gonna break when the kernel changes for pretty much any reason. Nov 19 08:01:58 as for charging it is controlled by the modem Nov 19 08:02:33 jack so will there ever be a working wifi tethering? Nov 19 08:02:43 trim-pre, yes Nov 19 08:02:53 weeks months days? Nov 19 08:03:06 meanwhile, while debugging Preware failures for various people, I see net.aonic.tether upstart processes respawning multiple times a second, which is likely slowing down the phone appreciably for those people. Nov 19 08:03:08 24-48 hours i would guess his been on it none stop Nov 19 08:03:42 are you part of his dev team? Nov 19 08:03:48 I personally feel sorry for aonic now. Nov 19 08:03:49 rwhitby, what would cause it to upstart multiple times Nov 19 08:03:49 or just his spokesperson? Nov 19 08:04:01 just curious Nov 19 08:04:25 trim-pre, he is the dev.. i am not anything official just trying to help pre users Nov 19 08:04:31 oh ok Nov 19 08:04:45 cool, appreciate it Nov 19 08:04:57 I'm against donor ware Nov 19 08:05:03 but I am a paid doner Nov 19 08:05:05 donor Nov 19 08:05:12 so its contradictory Nov 19 08:05:15 I feel sorry for him cause he started with great intentions, then got asked to take donations, then got the whiff of money and set up donation-only support areas, and now he has a product that people feel they have bought, and he has no way to support it effectively into the future. Nov 19 08:05:26 trim-pre, i gave him the original usb/bt script that he built on. i had asked for a dev to help write an app he volunteered Nov 19 08:06:11 I heard on this forum that palm alread had the tethering code installed Nov 19 08:06:21 or something similar Nov 19 08:06:25 rwhitby, ... no effective support into the future is why its a donation. but i feel like he will keep it alive as long as he can Nov 19 08:06:33 aonic was charging for that code per-se Nov 19 08:06:55 charging for what trim-pre? Nov 19 08:06:59 jack1987: I'm sure he will keep trying, but I suspect he won't be able to get it to work next time, if this time either. Nov 19 08:07:17 well not charging 'donations' Nov 19 08:07:19 I guess Nov 19 08:07:27 but he has 2 versions Nov 19 08:07:35 dono and freeware Nov 19 08:07:39 donorware Nov 19 08:07:52 I paid my $15 bucks tho Nov 19 08:07:56 jack1987: I would not be surprised is some litigation vulture starts a class action ... Nov 19 08:07:58 rwhitby, if he can swap kernels right from the app itself i cant imagine why not make a "tethering mode" just like "developer mode" right now that is only a temp fix Nov 19 08:08:13 jack1987: you can't swap kernels from an app Nov 19 08:08:35 the freeware contains all the stuff originally to allow advanced users to mess with it Nov 19 08:08:43 rwhitby, why not? Nov 19 08:09:04 jack1987: linux doesn't work that way. Nov 19 08:09:17 it will require a reboot... just as devmode does of course Nov 19 08:09:40 ok, you can change kernel on a reboot no problems. Nov 19 08:10:01 but he's going to get himself into a whole world of hurt doing that ... Nov 19 08:10:03 like i said "tether mode" just like "developer mode" Nov 19 08:10:33 rwhitby, i dunno if thats what he is up to but i do know old kernel works and i cant see why that wouldnt be a solution Nov 19 08:10:51 my brother relies on wifi tethering, so on his pre I ran the update daemon script to stop the 1.3.1 upgrade Nov 19 08:11:13 trim-pre, 1.3.1 doesnt have much to offer if you ask me Nov 19 08:11:23 I like it Nov 19 08:11:31 performance upgrade in my opinion Nov 19 08:11:33 jack1987: if you just want the Pre to act as a usb modem, with no UI functionality, that's fine. eventually the UI is going to rely on something in a newer kernel, and then you're toast. Nov 19 08:11:40 trim-pre, what am i missing? (i am running 1.3.1) Nov 19 08:12:04 for one: it fixed the charging bug Nov 19 08:12:14 trim-pre, what charging bug? Nov 19 08:12:18 before you need to turn screen off first on car charges Nov 19 08:12:21 chargers Nov 19 08:12:27 on 1.3.1 no need Nov 19 08:12:36 trim-pre, never noticed (i put touchstone in my car lol) Nov 19 08:12:40 and believe me I know car chargers Nov 19 08:12:47 chk the marketplace ad Nov 19 08:12:51 I have them for sale Nov 19 08:13:10 so that alone to me was a huge fix Nov 19 08:13:30 and I noticed contacts and photos is much faster to load Nov 19 08:13:35 hum rwhitby how far of lenghts do you think palm would go to stop tethering Nov 19 08:14:00 jack1987: Palm has an unlocked GSM phone now, they don't need to stop tethering any more. Nov 19 08:14:31 I'm surprised the German Pre didn't come with tethering enabled out of the box. Nov 19 08:14:38 isn't there a free tethering in the works? Nov 19 08:14:42 rwhitby, think there would be an official release.. man i hate how they changed the driver to give the phone less functionality i loved adhoc for ssh Nov 19 08:15:12 jack1987: I expect ad-hoc removal came from security. Nov 19 08:15:30 rwhitby, why would that be Nov 19 08:15:39 especially when the tether author had an app out there with no wep or wpa protection Nov 19 08:15:41 change in kernel dropped support for old driver as well Nov 19 08:16:21 If I was Palm, and there was a program out there which reduced the security of the Pre, I would remove the fuctionality that allowed it. Nov 19 08:17:06 I expect if MyTether had used WPA2 from the start (compiling hostapd and wpa_supplicant from optware or openembedded), then they wouldn't have bothered. Nov 19 08:17:19 but this is all guesses - I have no information Nov 19 08:17:48 Too many homebrew authors don't take security seriously enough. Nov 19 08:18:10 They put end-user convenience above the security of the platform, and harm the whole ecosystem as a result. Nov 19 08:18:52 anyway, that's my rant for the day :-) Nov 19 08:20:06 dropping support for the old driver is a normal side-effect of bumping the kernel version and/or recompiling it with different flags for Pixi compatibiliy. Nov 19 08:20:36 rwhitby, i still think there is a hidden wifi radio in that thing somewhere lol Nov 19 08:20:59 rwhitby, or a future release will have one maybe on a different carrier Nov 19 08:21:14 jack1987: hmm - haven't seen a teardown yet, so there's no way to disprove your postulate Nov 19 08:21:53 jack1987: here's something you'll enjoy. Nov 19 08:22:03 I'm outties, laters all Nov 19 08:22:14 bye trim-pre Nov 19 08:22:21 thanks again Nov 19 08:22:46 jack1987: preware is having these unknown problems for some people. filecoaster now works again. so people who can't get Preware to install are trying to make us fix it faster by saying that they will switch to fileCoaster. Nov 19 08:23:11 rwhitby, highly likely i am totally wrong on that... just a personal guess based on the teaser announcement video when the Indian guy said "no wifi capability as of yet" Nov 19 08:23:30 rwhitby, hahaha Nov 19 08:23:40 rwhitby, i needed a good laugh!!! Nov 19 08:25:41 jack1987: I can sympathise with them - bugs that cannot be reproduced suck. Nov 19 08:26:29 rwhitby, just gets me when people assume you owe them preware Nov 19 08:27:06 well, when you create an ecosystem, you have a responsibility to not let it die. Nov 19 08:28:03 anyway, I'm off home. Nov 19 08:28:05 * rwhitby bbl Nov 19 08:29:05 rwhitby, see ya Nov 19 09:08:03 hum so my bright idea of switching to centro and back to pre to get my msl has rendered my phone without data lucky me Nov 19 09:19:04 dBsooner-away, hello Nov 19 09:23:54 rwhitby, are you back Nov 19 09:24:07 rwhitby, any idea how to force run activation without doctoring? Nov 19 10:11:27 how do i run first use Nov 19 10:11:50 any ideas? i keep triyng to make it visible with no luck Nov 19 10:15:22 nice it worked Nov 19 10:15:39 i had to reset the pre so it was visible again..... but i have my EV now Nov 19 10:16:05 looked into the old method for disabling activation saw it used first use figured it had to do with that :) Nov 19 10:16:55 ill tell you one thing pre runs snappier without evdo radio running Nov 19 10:22:20 hey jack1987 have you heard anything on the webos backup utility ? Nov 19 10:23:06 hey I just have a quick question on how patching and the EPR works via preware, can anyone help me Nov 19 10:24:06 just ask the question, someone might Nov 19 10:24:39 mobod i have not looked into it yet no sorry Nov 19 10:25:13 so when you patch a file, does it create a backup of the original file Nov 19 10:25:29 so meta doctor wiki talks about first use.. i guess meta doctor makes it visible by default (i didnt meta doctor) Nov 19 10:25:45 hckyplayer024, depending on how you patch the file Nov 19 10:25:53 with preware Nov 19 10:25:54 hckyplayer024, if you are talking about preware yest Nov 19 10:26:31 yes** Nov 19 10:26:41 okay so the way the EPR works is it has a list of all the patches you installed and it knows where the original file is and replaces the pached file with the original? Nov 19 10:26:56 how do i make infobot announce my typos Nov 19 10:27:23 hckyplayer024: r you going to doctor ur phone ? Nov 19 10:27:25 hckyplayer024, i think that is the idea but i am not sure if thats exactly what it does Nov 19 10:28:03 no im not going to doctor my phone Nov 19 10:28:18 jack1987: google linux bots Nov 19 10:28:20 but I'm having trouble with the command line patch Nov 19 10:28:31 it says there is an update for it Nov 19 10:28:39 but it wont let me uninstall the patch Nov 19 10:29:00 did you remove all patches ect... before the update ? Nov 19 10:29:31 so I was wondering if there was a way to manually replace the original files and if preware would automatically know that I no longer have the patch installed Nov 19 10:29:41 what file does it touch i can send you one from my phone Nov 19 10:29:47 mobgod: yes I ran EPR before updating Nov 19 10:30:06 epr didnt undo all the patches for some.. so something went funky Nov 19 10:30:30 I see it doesnt look like it undid the command line prompt for some reason Nov 19 10:30:30 hckyplayer024, direct me to the actual patch file on git and i will get you the replacement originals Nov 19 10:30:35 ok hckyplayer024 there is something called webos repair utility you can try Nov 19 10:30:52 mobgod, that works off of the doctor and there is no 1.3.1 doctor Nov 19 10:31:32 yeah next time before I update I will use webos repair utility Nov 19 10:31:34 but I didnt Nov 19 10:31:43 one sec im going to get you the actual name of the patch Nov 19 10:31:48 jack1987: I no but if he noes the file it will work great to replace Nov 19 10:32:03 its just called command line in preware Nov 19 10:32:41 the file thats having the problem is global-search-assistant.js Nov 19 10:33:11 mobgod, do you know the url to the patches repo on git Nov 19 10:33:24 located in usr/lib/luna/system/luna-applauncher/app/controllers/ Nov 19 10:33:47 ok with webos repair you can type that in and replace with orginal Nov 19 10:34:05 no I don't jack1987 sorry Nov 19 10:34:17 but jack1987 my question is if I replace the file with the original file, will preware automatically know that I dont have the patch installed anymore Nov 19 10:34:55 and mobgod I think preware automatically backs up the file it patches so I should have a backup of the original on my phone Nov 19 10:34:57 hckyplayer024, yes... i am trying to figure out what that patch is Nov 19 10:35:02 git repo http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/modifications/trees/master Nov 19 10:35:59 http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/modifications/trees/webos-1.2.1/universal-search Nov 19 10:36:15 2nd one from the top Nov 19 10:36:32 hckis it this... universal-search-command-line.patch 05 N Nov 19 10:36:52 http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/modifications/blobs/webos-1.2.1/universal-search/universal-search-command-line.patch this is the link jack1987 Nov 19 10:37:08 ok cool.. i will grab it from my pre and send to you Nov 19 10:38:28 but jack1987, if I just replace the file with the original wont preware still think I have the patch installed? Nov 19 10:38:50 wow its 5:40 in the AM lol Nov 19 10:39:30 not for me Nov 19 10:39:33 2:40am Nov 19 10:40:04 hckyplayer024, do an epr after Nov 19 10:41:04 there is no other way to manually tell preware that the patch isnt installed anymore? Nov 19 10:41:25 jack1987: you get my msg? Nov 19 10:41:45 not that i know of Nov 19 10:42:00 i thought epr didnt work for you Nov 19 10:42:14 or you havent even installed it since your last epr and it thinks it is installed? Nov 19 10:43:14 what are you trying to do i am confused now Nov 19 10:43:15 yeah I havent tried doing EPR again (too lazy to redo all patches) Nov 19 10:43:22 oh.. Nov 19 10:43:45 lol probably be a lot less effort then figuring this out Nov 19 10:44:00 all I want to do is uninstall the command line patch from 1.2.1 that didnt get uninstalled with the EPR I did before going to 1.3.1 Nov 19 10:44:32 I haven't run EPR since Nov 19 10:44:59 well the thing is I've gone and done edits to some of the patches that I'd have to do all over again and I'm just lazy haha Nov 19 10:45:04 well even after you run it.. you might want to install the original file Nov 19 10:45:21 like the battery percent one I made it so the percent is white instead of the colors Nov 19 10:45:37 etc.... and I don't want to have to do it all over again Nov 19 10:47:12 so you think I should EPR then replace the file with the original? then install patches all over again Nov 19 10:47:14 well if you end up running epr i recommend replacing whatever file you get with that one Nov 19 10:47:44 well there might be a solution to just the one patch i just dont know it. Nov 19 10:48:04 so i am sending the original just incase you do epr.. then yes thats the procedure i would fallow Nov 19 10:48:24 okay I'll talk with oil or rwhitby tomorrow I'm sure one of them will know how to tell preware that a patch is not install if I just replace the file with the original without doing EPR... but I wont be doing anything until after i talk to them it isnt urgent Nov 19 10:48:50 ask dBsooner he is the patch guy now Nov 19 10:49:06 i think egaudet created epr Nov 19 10:49:19 and if not, worst case scenario is I do EPR and then replace with the original file and then do all my patches all over again. Nov 19 10:49:42 alrighty well I'll talk to them tomorrow Nov 19 10:49:45 thanks for your help Nov 19 10:49:46 goodnight Nov 19 10:49:49 ya... hckyplayer024 but with your custom edits that would be a pain make sure to ask those guys Nov 19 10:49:54 did you get the original Nov 19 10:50:03 yeah I did thanks Nov 19 10:50:15 alright goodnight Nov 19 10:50:39 well EPR will remove the patches fine even with the edits its just that Id have to do them over again Nov 19 10:50:58 ya thats what i ment doing them over again Nov 19 10:51:05 Ill let you know what happens though Nov 19 10:51:08 see ya Nov 19 10:51:15 goodnight sleep well Nov 19 11:03:33 My Pre has been shipped! WOOOOOOOO!!!!!! Nov 19 11:16:36 Wow that's a lot of people in here Nov 19 11:19:51 zoxeris: I think most are a sleep Nov 19 11:29:22 Seeing how Pre's are pretty much available only in the americas yeah.. =) Nov 19 11:30:14 whats ctcp ? Nov 19 11:30:32 client to client protocol Nov 19 11:30:41 uhhh ... Nov 19 11:30:58 i just need help with my pre Nov 19 11:31:09 well you asked what's ctcp and that's what it is =) Nov 19 11:31:15 i know =] Nov 19 11:31:40 i just have no idea how to get that info to you Nov 19 12:17:03 lol the no launcher bar patch breaks launcher :p Nov 19 12:46:23 why palm didnt fix the backup app? mine still doesnt backup data automatically Nov 19 12:55:59 morning all Nov 19 13:10:23 You guys have got to be kidding me!!????????? Nov 19 13:10:32 ? Nov 19 13:11:36 ?? Nov 19 13:11:42 I was doing IRC back in 98 and was using it to download DragonBall Z episodes and you mean to tell me with Torrents adn all the other p2p clients and IM clients and message boards that IRC is still popular? Nov 19 13:11:55 yes Nov 19 13:11:59 irc never dies Nov 19 13:12:00 :D Nov 19 13:12:11 yup Nov 19 13:12:31 irc is a stable, trusted, real time chat solution that's freely implemented Nov 19 13:12:33 I downloaded, mIRC and that brought back memories! I used to run a IRC Server Nov 19 13:12:38 hence, irc is fantastic :) Nov 19 13:13:04 no stupid kidds who don;'t know how to type Nov 19 13:13:10 lol Nov 19 13:13:11 ;] Nov 19 13:13:34 but not sure how to set up mIRC to access this.... What server do I connect to in order to find webos-internals? Nov 19 13:13:46 u r in webos-internals Nov 19 13:13:47 :S Nov 19 13:14:09 yea, but I am also in a web-browser....would like to use mIRC to access this. Nov 19 13:14:22 irc.freenode.net Nov 19 13:14:28 /join #webos-internals Nov 19 13:14:49 i believe on mirc it's /connect irc.freenode.net Nov 19 13:15:45 okay, someone is going to have to point me to the help files on the /nick command.....it said my nick was in use so I must have been in here in mIRC b4. I know I have to register my handle and then log in...but need more help Nov 19 13:15:52 is it /help nick Nov 19 13:16:20 it's /msg nickserv help Nov 19 13:17:53 thx Nov 19 13:18:49 morn'n folks Nov 19 13:19:19 I keep getting FAILED_NOT_ENOUGH_INSTALL_SPACE trying to install my app. Do I have to remove some stuff from /var, it's at 71% Nov 19 13:23:01 ha Nov 19 13:23:28 Freak!!! I want to log off as DrewPPre and on as DrewPre in mIRC Arrrghhh! Nov 19 13:29:04 rwhitby: ping Nov 19 13:29:54 * dBsooner-work has a big problem Nov 19 13:35:18 "Signed Out. You are no longer signed in to your Palm Profile. If you Plan to use this phone again, you can leave the files on your USB drive intact. If you're done using this phone, you can erase all your data on the phone and return to its factory default." Nov 19 13:35:43 My only options are: "Just Restart" and "Erase All Data" Nov 19 13:38:36 what did u do? Nov 19 13:38:48 u corrupted PalmDatabase.db3 Nov 19 13:39:37 no .. Nov 19 13:39:45 I woke up this morning Nov 19 13:39:53 rolled over to get my phone. Nov 19 13:39:58 and that's the message that was on the screen Nov 19 13:40:24 en0x: I have hit restart like 10 times Nov 19 13:40:30 well this means that the palmdatase.db3 is corrupted Nov 19 13:40:38 and it will erase it and recreate Nov 19 13:40:39 wtf? Nov 19 13:40:54 if u hit erase all data Nov 19 13:40:54 :0 Nov 19 13:41:01 That's dumb Nov 19 13:41:55 yap Nov 19 13:42:02 there was a thread on precentral forum about it Nov 19 13:42:08 when? Nov 19 13:42:10 recently? Nov 19 13:42:20 the only threads I have found in google are from June Nov 19 13:42:23 or July Nov 19 13:42:25 nothing recent Nov 19 13:42:57 yap nothing recent Nov 19 13:45:31 that's wierd Nov 19 13:45:44 so basically I am going to have to reinstall all my crap again? Nov 19 13:46:20 from my test Nov 19 13:46:22 s Nov 19 13:46:27 from few months ago Nov 19 13:46:34 i just had to add accounts again Nov 19 13:46:39 and all apps were there Nov 19 13:46:42 it didnt removed them Nov 19 13:46:45 but i may be wrong Nov 19 13:47:53 but my pics and stuff Nov 19 13:47:59 will be gone Nov 19 13:49:42 dont think so Nov 19 13:49:49 but like i said i may be wrong Nov 19 13:49:50 :P Nov 19 13:50:02 just copy all shit from /media/internal Nov 19 13:50:13 just in case Nov 19 13:50:24 yeah Nov 19 13:50:30 at least they left that opejn Nov 19 13:50:48 Anyone able to give me the right git command to switch from master to webos-1.3.1. FYI: I'd suggest leaving a README for git novices using quilt in master. Nov 19 13:51:16 i dont use quilt Nov 19 13:51:23 don't use quilt Nov 19 13:52:07 dBsooner: the man himself, help! You dropped everything from master haw do I switch to webos-1.3.1? Nov 19 13:52:12 git branch webos-1.3.1 origin/webos-1.3.1 ; git checkout webos-1.3.1 Nov 19 13:52:21 dBsooner-work, http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/214847-patch-hide-quick-launch-bar-3.html#post2048325 seen it? :> Nov 19 13:52:27 quilt is irrelevant to my issue Nov 19 13:52:31 look at the pic Nov 19 13:52:32 ;] Nov 19 13:54:21 I know patch/quilt a bit now but am a total git n00b. Just need to switch my repository (cloned per instructions at gitoriuos) to webos-1.3.1 branch from master (now empty!!) Nov 19 13:54:52 Dbsooner: missed reply. Thanks!! Nov 19 14:07:48 alright, I think I have done it Nov 19 14:07:59 is there anyone else in here? Nov 19 14:08:09 I see names but no one is chatting Nov 19 14:08:10 No one is here Nov 19 14:08:24 lol at nt4cats Nov 19 14:08:29 just making sure Nov 19 14:08:56 its too early Nov 19 14:09:24 okay, I see a few familiar faces [heh] oil, egaud, rwhitby Nov 19 14:09:56 well, I am a nightowl up a bit too early for me also, this isnt the norm for me. Nov 19 14:11:20 just want to make sure I am connecting properly so when these guys get back online there wont be any disconnects Nov 19 14:12:02 Question: is there a tutorial on connecting to the git repo? I already provided RWhitby with my public key. Nov 19 14:12:13 He said it was uploaded Nov 19 14:18:42 Dee ta Dee Nov 19 14:18:52 Dee ta Dee Nov 19 14:19:08 [twiddling thumbs] Nov 19 14:19:17 So................ Nov 19 14:19:30 I am not aware of a tutorial Nov 19 14:19:46 DrewPre: What are you attempting to do? Nov 19 14:19:47 hey guys, sorry to inturrupt... is dBsooner here? Nov 19 14:19:58 ?> Nov 19 14:20:02 the wrong patch for sms tone per contact got upladed.... Nov 19 14:20:10 lies Nov 19 14:20:11 its still the old one. Nov 19 14:20:24 I just submitted the new one again... Nov 19 14:20:32 let me look Nov 19 14:21:26 dbsoon....I am not really sure.... I know that the GIT repo is were the webos-internals feed is, rwhitby has been helping me get my code up there. I mostly want access so I am not so dependant on him and his time. But not sure what i would do with access. Nov 19 14:21:55 well I gotta go to work,, just thought i'd let you know so it could be changed asap... Nov 19 14:22:02 elryon: dbsooner has been taken into custody by the authorities in Boston due to his alleged participation in a ice-cream flavor scam (he is accused of flavoring vanilla ice cream with artifical vanilla and not disclosing this on the label). There is a clever shell script running at his home logged in as him, however. Nov 19 14:22:09 does fritos1406 come in here? I am a fan Nov 19 14:22:55 (and yes I know that dBsooner is not in/from Boston) Nov 19 14:23:59 DrewPre: What kind of code? An APP? Nov 19 14:34:09 yes, a backup app. http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/212309-running-bash-sh-scripts-webos-app.html Nov 19 14:39:52 DrewPre: I don't know how rwhitby has your access setup. I don't know if he wants you to push it to a new part of the repo or not. Nov 19 14:41:11 Anyone having trouble logging into AIM with 1.3.1? I just webosdoctor'd and it doesn't take my AIM log on. Nov 19 14:45:32 before you doctor'd did you have messaging plugin installed at any point? Nov 19 14:51:45 yes I did. I was wanting the doctor to take me back to a clean install Nov 19 14:53:14 Check out this thread http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/214564-they-broke-aim-1-3-1-a.html Nov 19 14:56:09 Thanks. I also forgot to do the full erase before running the doctor so will try that again. There were a few things that were miss behaving so a clean slate seemed best Nov 19 14:58:23 just remember to turn off backups Nov 19 14:59:08 that is where the problem seems to lie Nov 19 15:00:22 Ah Nov 19 15:02:26 because a doctor is essentially a full erase Nov 19 15:03:41 but when it pulls the corrupt data from backup it screws up the IMer stuff Nov 19 15:05:43 so the doctor is fro when you can't even get the phone to work at all is that the only difference? Nov 19 15:10:22 does wirc work when the phone suspends? Nov 19 15:10:25 An update nuked my user account. Is there any way to prevent future updates from nuking my changes to /etc/passwd? Nov 19 15:11:07 quotemstr: write a patch and reinstall after upgrade? Nov 19 15:11:26 quotemstr: are you sure it is an update? I have updated 3 times since adding my user account and my user account is still there ... Nov 19 15:11:43 nt4cats|work: Well, it was naked a while ago actually, so it might have been the 1.2.0. Nov 19 15:11:53 synackfin: I wonder whether cfengine would work. Nov 19 15:11:55 quotemstr: I assume we're talking about webOS upgrades here Nov 19 15:12:06 nt4cats|work: Of course. Nov 19 15:12:31 synackfin, if u set it up to use Evdo then yes Nov 19 15:14:19 en0x: I see, so wifi is the default Nov 19 15:21:56 whatever is available Nov 19 15:22:03 if u have wifi on then its wifi Nov 19 15:24:53 Hi, anyone know if the 'iPhone user agent spoof' patch that was available to install through WOQI still works on 1.3.1? Nov 19 15:25:30 morning all Nov 19 15:28:45 Manifest: if it is available in the 1.3.1 patches feed, then it works Nov 19 15:29:03 nt4cats|work: Where is the patches feed at? Nov 19 15:29:10 manifest: preware automagically connects you to the patch feed that matches your webOS version Nov 19 15:30:13 nt4cats|work: It's not a patch available on preware, you had to install it via "tweaks" in WOQI Nov 19 15:30:25 mawnin, Atlanta Nov 19 15:30:53 manifest: in PreWare, pull down the app menu (top left-hand corner) -> manage feeds and toggle the webos-patches feed to "on" Nov 19 15:31:19 Manifest: oh, yes, you're correct -- I remember having to add that one via the command-line Nov 19 15:31:38 nt4cats|work: So is there a version of it that works in 1.3.1, do you know? Nov 19 15:31:41 Manifest: ... but then I decided to remove it because I wanted my web traffic to "count" as Pre traffic, not iPhone traffic Nov 19 15:32:13 Manifest: you'll have to conact the patch maintainer to find out -- I assume you've checked the precentral forum for this patch? Nov 19 15:32:24 nt4cats|work: I have not. Nov 19 15:32:35 DrewPre: there u are Nov 19 15:33:02 en0x: you there Nov 19 15:33:22 Manifest: your answer can probably be found at http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/200656-how-make-all-mobile-websites-display-perfectly.html Nov 19 15:33:32 Manifest: that is the "home page" for that patch Nov 19 15:33:37 nt4cats|work: Alright. Nov 19 15:33:45 is app catalog down? Nov 19 15:35:03 DrewPre: did en0x talk to you about the issues with the full replace Nov 19 15:35:06 xorg: no Nov 19 15:35:09 can get into app catalog but when trying to download (free app), says app catalog unavailable Nov 19 15:35:17 xorg: download cancelled Nov 19 15:35:17 ? Nov 19 15:35:30 nope, just unvailable Nov 19 15:35:31 does it give u that notification at the bottom when you try to download Nov 19 15:35:35 no, not yet Nov 19 15:35:41 i have to do a partial erase to fix it Nov 19 15:35:45 had** Nov 19 15:36:08 xorg: the downloadmanager doesn't initialize for some reason Nov 19 15:36:13 no, yellow ! screen when attempting to download "app catalog unavailable. try again later" Nov 19 15:36:38 yea its up seems like u had the same problem i had the other day Nov 19 15:37:15 brb, I'm reading an sql tutorial Nov 19 15:37:39 rebooting Nov 19 15:39:43 kk Nov 19 15:46:28 Kyusaku: Thanks the backup off and full erase got me back and working. Now to add back pre-ware etc Nov 19 15:50:00 on app catalog unavailable.. i now get 'download cancelled' Nov 19 15:50:09 ok then yea its the same problem Nov 19 15:50:22 go to device info and click on partial erase Nov 19 15:50:24 reboot didn't help Nov 19 15:50:32 it will do its thing and bring you back up Nov 19 15:54:38 xorg: did u do it already Nov 19 15:57:42 am testing a restore of apps that i made Nov 19 15:58:01 confirming this is or is not related to mvapp Nov 19 15:59:31 nall its not Nov 19 15:59:37 i didnt have mvapp on my phone Nov 19 15:59:42 let me know Nov 19 15:59:46 walking away for a sec Nov 19 16:00:42 * AtomicPlayboy wakes up. Nov 19 16:02:05 ~smack AtomicPlayboy wake up! Nov 19 16:02:07 * infobot smacks AtomicPlayboy wake up! upside the head. Nov 19 16:02:21 Yeah thanks. Nov 19 16:02:28 Orange juice works too. Nov 19 16:02:50 So I got wifi to connect and auth at work. Nov 19 16:02:59 Now I just need to make that happen with the gui. Nov 19 16:16:26 AtomicPlayboy: does your work wifi use certs Nov 19 16:16:26 ? Nov 19 16:19:17 atlanta: tried the partial reset, still get the error Nov 19 16:20:21 wierd Nov 19 16:20:49 is download manager a linux process or luna? Nov 19 16:21:03 luna Nov 19 16:21:31 rebooting, will check luna processes Nov 19 16:21:39 morning Nov 19 16:21:40 yo atlanta Nov 19 16:21:43 wsuppp Nov 19 16:21:51 mnothing much Nov 19 16:21:54 whats new? Nov 19 16:21:54 :> Nov 19 16:22:03 nothing much of yet Nov 19 16:22:09 that one backup guy was in the room Nov 19 16:22:41 i've seen him Nov 19 16:22:49 and i was quiet i didnt want to comment;) Nov 19 16:23:08 :-) Nov 19 16:23:09 llol Nov 19 16:23:25 ;] Nov 19 16:27:13 atlanta: I think it does, but I'm not sure. Nov 19 16:27:48 app downloads now work after a reboot Nov 19 16:28:50 :-) Nov 19 16:29:11 i wanted to get to why exactly it did it Nov 19 16:29:18 but partial erase and reboot worked Nov 19 16:32:18 atlanta: we use a RADIUS server that supports WPA2-PEAP with MSCHAPv2 auth. Nov 19 16:32:42 We do use certs, but I don't know where they factor in, and my patched .wpa_supplicant.conf seems to do just fine without me pointing to a cert. Nov 19 16:33:15 so u got it working Nov 19 16:33:32 yes and no Nov 19 16:35:51 I edit /tmp/.wpa_supplicant.conf while PmWiFiService is loaded, restart wpa_supplicant, and then run dhclient eth0. Nov 19 16:36:12 oddly, partial erase doesn't exactly remove apps from /var../apps, it must just reset the app database Nov 19 16:36:17 Problem is, next time PmWiFiService loads or rescans (if I lose my connection), I lose my custom .wpa_supplicant Nov 19 16:36:23 .wpa_supplicant.conf Nov 19 16:36:34 xorg - it might clearup the facebook/email junk that's stored in /var Nov 19 16:36:36 ji see Nov 19 16:36:43 why not just kill PmWiFiService? Nov 19 16:36:58 So I need to figure out what paramters to pass to PmWiFiservice in order to make it configure wpa_supplicant with my settings. Nov 19 16:37:06 I can, but that won't solve my problem. Nov 19 16:37:19 rigt Nov 19 16:37:24 anyway good luck Nov 19 16:37:26 I want to make it so I can connect USING PmWiFiService instead of bypassing it. Nov 19 16:37:58 And according to chuqui there is currently no documentation (publicly available) on PmWiFi. Nov 19 16:43:05 AtomicPlayboy: good stuff Nov 19 16:45:48 atlanta, does the automatic backup works for u? Nov 19 16:45:48 in 1.3.1? Nov 19 16:49:17 you mean palm's Nov 19 16:49:30 yea last i check yesterday it was up to date Nov 19 16:51:52 i had to do a partial yesterday and everything looked fine Nov 19 17:06:54 What's the command to see a list of running processes? Nov 19 17:06:59 Besides top Nov 19 17:07:04 Atomic: ps -ef Nov 19 17:07:30 Thanks. Nov 19 17:07:40 Atomic: that will often be a pretty big list Nov 19 17:08:20 Yeah, but it's managable. I found what I needed. Nov 19 17:14:58 What are others seeing as the utilization of the root file system? Nov 19 17:15:04 Mine is at 99% Nov 19 17:15:41 I only have 6.8 MB free in /. Nov 19 17:21:27 i have like 60mb Nov 19 17:21:29 or something Nov 19 17:22:02 en0x, thanks. Are you on 1.3.1? Nov 19 17:22:34 can you stop carrier apps from being installed with novaterm during doctor ? Nov 19 17:22:39 on storage vs. memory Nov 19 17:22:44 yes Nov 19 17:23:25 Palm incorrectly called storage, "memory", ya think? Seems to be the Apple mindset. I hear a lot of Apple people, even developers refer to disk storage as memory. Nov 19 17:23:44 so lame Nov 19 17:24:32 The confusion probably comes from the fact that the FLASH devices are commonly called memory because it is not a spinning disk. Nov 19 17:25:00 yeah, that's annoying too, should be flash storage Nov 19 17:25:10 I wonder what is hogging up so much space in my / Nov 19 17:25:34 i have 97% used in / Nov 19 17:25:43 hmm Nov 19 17:25:45 lemme check Nov 19 17:25:59 Output of df -h: rootfs 441.7M 414.7M 27.0M 94% / Nov 19 17:26:02 i have 94 Nov 19 17:26:03 "{ Nov 19 17:26:05 :P Nov 19 17:26:08 yeah. Nov 19 17:26:29 en0x lucky you Nov 19 17:26:34 why so? Nov 19 17:26:36 u dont use / Nov 19 17:26:41 I am having problems installing patches at 99% Nov 19 17:28:24 en0x, typically patches should go in /var Nov 19 17:28:46 Some of the apps from the Apps Catalog go in /usr Nov 19 17:29:09 Mark_M, I do not believe so Nov 19 17:29:11 I wish I knew if I could clean up something in / Nov 19 17:29:16 no apps go in /usr from the app catalog Nov 19 17:29:49 I believe /usr is for stock palm/carrier apps that are not downloadabe Nov 19 17:29:53 du -sm /lib.. mine is 24mb Nov 19 17:30:04 and /var is where all app cat. and homebrew apps go Nov 19 17:30:09 egaudet_work, true they are in /usr/palm/applications Nov 19 17:30:42 I found the messaging plugin .ipk in /lib Nov 19 17:32:11 I just feel uncomfortable with / at 99%. Nov 19 17:32:22 Something is bound to fail Nov 19 17:33:24 Mark_M, what is in /usr/palm/applications? Nov 19 17:33:31 Mark_M: check... du -sm /tmp Nov 19 17:33:34 Only stock apps, not catalog apps Nov 19 17:33:37 should be under 1MB Nov 19 17:34:33 com.handson.app.nascar com.palm.app.languagepicker Nov 19 17:34:34 com.handson.app.nfl com.palm.app.location Nov 19 17:34:36 com.mobitv.app.sprinttv com.palm.app.maps Nov 19 17:34:37 com.palm.app.amazonstore com.palm.app.messaging Nov 19 17:34:39 com.palm.app.backup com.palm.app.musicplayer Nov 19 17:34:41 com.palm.app.bluetooth com.palm.app.notes Nov 19 17:34:43 com.palm.app.browser com.palm.app.odd Nov 19 17:34:45 com.palm.app.calculator com.palm.app.pdfviewer Nov 19 17:34:47 com.palm.app.calendar com.palm.app.pdfviewer.tar.gz Nov 19 17:34:47 Mark_M... STOCK apps Nov 19 17:34:49 com.palm.app.camera com.palm.app.phone Nov 19 17:34:50 not app catalog Nov 19 17:34:50 com.palm.app.certificate com.palm.app.phoneprefs Nov 19 17:34:52 com.palm.app.clock com.palm.app.photos Nov 19 17:34:53 com.palm.app.collectlogs com.palm.app.screenlock Nov 19 17:34:55 com.palm.app.contacts com.palm.app.soundsandalerts Nov 19 17:34:57 com.palm.app.crotest com.palm.app.sprintportal Nov 19 17:34:59 com.palm.app.dataimport com.palm.app.streamingmusicplayer Nov 19 17:35:01 com.palm.app.dateandtime com.palm.app.tasks Nov 19 17:35:02 stop Nov 19 17:35:03 com.palm.app.deviceinfo com.palm.app.updates Nov 19 17:35:04 com.palm.app.devmodeswitcher com.palm.app.usbpassthrough Nov 19 17:35:06 com.palm.app.docviewer com.palm.app.videoplayer Nov 19 17:35:07 com.palm.app.email com.palm.app.videoplayer.launcher Nov 19 17:35:09 com.palm.app.findapps com.palm.app.wifi Nov 19 17:35:11 com.palm.app.firstuse com.palm.app.youtube Nov 19 17:35:12 com.palm.app.help com.telenav.app.sprintnavigation Nov 19 17:35:18 STOP Nov 19 17:35:21 Checking /tmp is empty Nov 19 17:35:22 halp, flood! Nov 19 17:35:31 sorry Nov 19 17:35:37 you could remove or move nascar, nfl or other apps you don't use Nov 19 17:35:42 * Mousey splashes around Nov 19 17:35:43 I didn't think it would split it to several messages Nov 19 17:35:53 I expected a kick Nov 19 17:35:53 Mark_M, those apps in /usr/palm/applications are NOT app catalog apps. Nov 19 17:36:47 egaudet_work, I thought that you asked for the apps in that directory. I know that none of those are from the app catalog. Nov 19 17:37:29 no I just meant that nothing is getting installed there, and the stock apps shouldn't take up 100% of space Nov 19 17:37:32 by nothing I mean apps Nov 19 17:37:33 egaudet_work, I agree Nov 19 17:37:39 advanced homebrew can put things on the rootfs Nov 19 17:37:52 Something else is taking up the space Nov 19 17:38:35 The constant rumors about how every company is going to buy us are getting tiresome Nov 19 17:38:41 com.palm.app.pdfviewer.tar.gz Nov 19 17:38:50 Mark, you listed com.palm.app.pdfviewer.tar.gz Nov 19 17:38:57 in /usr/palm/apps Nov 19 17:38:58 I'm pretty sure by now people have claimed Microsoft, Nokia, Motorola, Dell and even Apple would buy Palm Nov 19 17:39:25 I see that Nov 19 17:39:33 xorg, I see that Nov 19 17:39:34 hmm. i have that too Nov 19 17:40:14 xorg, I wonder why that is there but it isn't taking up that much space. Nov 19 17:40:47 yea the pdfviewer works with just that tarball Nov 19 17:40:56 it also works when you extract it and patch it Nov 19 17:41:39 Oops! I was in the wrong level. /tmp has about 192 KB in it. Nov 19 17:43:35 . /tmp is tmpfs Nov 19 17:43:55 i have two theme* files in / Nov 19 17:43:57 i.e. it's volatile Nov 19 17:43:59 egaudet_work, right there Nov 19 17:44:02 not part of storage Nov 19 17:44:04 20K each Nov 19 17:44:20 I forgot what was mounted Nov 19 17:45:16 Is there a way to use puTTY instead of novaterm before installing optware and beardrop? Nov 19 17:45:21 H /usr is the biggest with 383 MB Nov 19 17:45:52 my /usr is 375mb Nov 19 17:46:57 xorg, I wonder why such a difference Nov 19 17:47:56 With such little space left there will be no room to install Flash unless they free up some room. Nov 19 17:48:00 du -s /usr/* |sort -n Nov 19 17:48:18 my 5 largest... Nov 19 17:48:18 4812 /usr/sbin 33964 /usr/bin 65168 /usr/share 91048 /usr/palm 186040 /usr/lib Nov 19 17:48:33 djk, I'm using puTTY with a Python script to access Novaterm Nov 19 17:50:16 xorg, those directories are about identical for me Nov 19 17:51:35 xorg, how much space is /usr taking without the subdirectories? Nov 19 17:51:45 hi there Nov 19 17:52:07 375mb Nov 19 17:52:29 xorg, 383 MB here Nov 19 17:52:31 no files in /usr, just directories.. do you have files? Nov 19 17:52:57 maybe someone can help me sometimes. i have that problem now that packetmanager magically stopped working Nov 19 17:53:07 xorg, same here just directories. I thought I saw files in there although there shouldn't be any. Nov 19 17:53:18 xorg, it is clean Nov 19 17:53:44 Mark_M: thanks that was what I was looking for Nov 19 17:54:40 Need that added to the accessing Linux page Nov 19 17:55:30 today my gsm-pre got really hot in my pocket, so i looked after, but nothing obvious was running on it Nov 19 17:55:47 djk, check out this page for the script http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Accessing_Linux_From_Windows Nov 19 17:56:02 after a few minutes i decided to power it off and look if something is wrong with the batterie Nov 19 17:56:27 djk, although it is deprecated, it is the primary method I use on my machines to access the Pre. Nov 19 17:56:37 ok im back Nov 19 17:56:45 after powering up again it showed me that an update was made and i thougt "wtf? 1.3.1 comes on end of november Nov 19 17:56:49 yes that page should be to the accessing linux procedure page in step 5. for puTTY Nov 19 17:57:09 since then package manager stopped working. Nov 19 17:57:29 Has anyone tried fsck on their Pre? Nov 19 18:05:03 Why does the optware bootstrap install dropbear and open ssh? Nov 19 18:05:09 yup Nov 19 18:23:44 hi can someone help me with a preware patches question Nov 19 18:23:55 go for it Nov 19 18:24:50 so I ran EPR before I updated to 1.3.1 Nov 19 18:25:04 but apparently it didnt uninstall the command line patch Nov 19 18:25:42 because there is an update to that patch and I cannot remove it to install the update Nov 19 18:26:01 so I was wondering if I replace the original file is there a way to tell preware that I no longer have the patch installed Nov 19 18:27:04 what is the cl patch ? Nov 19 18:27:50 are you talking about the search ? Nov 19 18:27:53 it makes it so you can type .calc 4+4 in universal search and it will tell you the answer is 8 Nov 19 18:29:16 hckyplayer024, yes you can remove the ipkg data in a couple of ways. Is that surely what you want? Nov 19 18:29:30 4+4 is 8? Nov 19 18:29:51 haha Nov 19 18:30:56 yeah egaudet_work if I replace the file that was patched with the original file that would be fine correct Nov 19 18:31:35 is only one file patched? Nov 19 18:31:42 i believe so Nov 19 18:31:53 the update didn't overwrite it? Nov 19 18:32:34 well I was talking to someone on IRC yesterday jack1987 who sent me the original file for 1.3.1 since webos doctor 1.3.1 wasnt out yesterday Nov 19 18:34:08 well you can replce it, but it might already have been replaced Nov 19 18:34:16 but yea as long as its stock 1.3.1 Nov 19 18:35:23 http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/modifications/blobs/webos-1.2.1/universal-search/universal-search-command-line.patch this is the patch that I originally installed Nov 19 18:37:12 3 files Nov 19 18:37:28 but this is the file thats having the problem Nov 19 18:37:35 "/usr/lib/luna/system/luna-applauncher/stylesheets/global-search.css" Nov 19 18:37:39 hckyplayer024: I wouldn't say people sent you files Nov 19 18:38:12 hckyplayer024: I am not denying it happened, but it shouldn't have, as that is a violation of Palm's copyright. Nov 19 18:38:26 okay im sorry I didnt know Nov 19 18:38:34 It's ok. That is why I was telling you. :D Nov 19 18:38:42 thanks :) Nov 19 18:38:42 \ Nov 19 18:39:28 so should I replace all 3 files (and get them from webos doctor 1.3.1 :D) Nov 19 18:40:28 dunno, don't know where you were in troubeshooting. Nov 19 18:40:45 oh well egaudet_work was helping me Nov 19 18:40:49 dBsooner-work, your favorite issue as of late Nov 19 18:40:53 egaudet_work: How did you like "git pull"ing the mods repo then doing "ls" Nov 19 18:41:04 ? Nov 19 18:41:11 EPR not yanking the stuff? Nov 19 18:41:16 yeah Nov 19 18:41:28 egaudet_work: git pull Nov 19 18:41:30 then ls Nov 19 18:41:31 wtf Nov 19 18:41:34 I did EPR before I updated to 1.3.1 Nov 19 18:41:34 :D Nov 19 18:41:44 and I assumed it took everything off Nov 19 18:41:45 Scary eh? Nov 19 18:41:52 WHY Nov 19 18:41:56 hehehe Nov 19 18:42:00 simmer down Nov 19 18:42:06 I moved master to webos-1.2.1 Nov 19 18:42:09 but recently the command line patch was updated so when I load preware it tells me to update the command line patch Nov 19 18:42:19 MOVED.. so all tags/commits/hashes/etc stayed intact Nov 19 18:42:21 but I cant uninstall it it gives me an error Nov 19 18:42:27 then blanked master Nov 19 18:42:33 so no one is conused Nov 19 18:42:41 mvoed what Nov 19 18:42:41 all patches reside on the individual tree Nov 19 18:42:43 branch Nov 19 18:42:46 so I want to just replace the files it patched with the originals and then tell preware that I no longer have the patch installed Nov 19 18:43:14 egaudet_work: moved the Branch Nov 19 18:43:32 hckyplayer024: why aren't they orgiinal? Nov 19 18:43:46 hckyplayer024: if you updated and haven't INSTALLED a patch to those files, they should be original Nov 19 18:43:49 md5sum the files Nov 19 18:44:19 egaudet_work: git branch webos-1.3.1 origin/webos-1.2.1 Nov 19 18:44:23 git checkout webos-1.2.1 Nov 19 18:44:26 git log Nov 19 18:44:29 you'll see Nov 19 18:44:36 dBsooner-work: well they might be original but I wanted to do it just in case. I havent touched the files since I updated to 1.3.1 so its probably the case that preware cant uninstall the patch since it isnt installed in the first place Nov 19 18:44:41 * dBsooner-work read up on GIT Nov 19 18:44:56 hckyplayer024: precisely Nov 19 18:44:58 so how do I tell preware that I dont have the patch installed so I can install it Nov 19 18:45:08 hckyplayer024: you need to make sure the backup is blown away too Nov 19 18:45:14 without doing EPR and having to redo all my patches Nov 19 18:45:53 hmm alrighty well I'm logged in as root, any idea where the backups are? Nov 19 18:46:07 egaudet_work: ? ^^ Nov 19 18:46:31 * AtomicPlayboy mutters. Nov 19 18:46:38 same place as the file Nov 19 18:46:45 file.webosinternals.orig Nov 19 18:47:20 i know tat Nov 19 18:47:26 I didn't know what patch he was using Nov 19 18:47:29 so I thought you could tell him Nov 19 18:47:38 http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/modifications/blobs/webos-1.2.1/universal-search/universal-search-command-line.patch Nov 19 18:47:53 thats the patch that didnt uninstall correctly with EPR Nov 19 18:48:11 that's the THIRD patch Nov 19 18:48:21 i mean THIRD person that had issues uninstalling that with EPR Nov 19 18:48:22 ? Nov 19 18:48:33 me being one Nov 19 18:49:08 lol Nov 19 18:50:19 I know why Nov 19 18:50:22 I know why Nov 19 18:50:31 hmmmm what are the 3 directories I need to look in to delete the backups Nov 19 18:50:36 nvm Nov 19 18:50:50 that patch touches way more than 3 files Nov 19 18:50:51 lol Nov 19 18:50:57 yeah Nov 19 18:50:58 but the good news is Nov 19 18:50:58 it touches like 10 Nov 19 18:51:08 oh really, I thought you said 3 earlier Nov 19 18:51:09 wait a minute, preware says it is installed? Nov 19 18:51:17 no Nov 19 18:51:21 i thought 3 but gitorious colors just lie Nov 19 18:51:24 preware can't install it Nov 19 18:51:27 yes, it is giving me the option to update it Nov 19 18:51:33 lies! Nov 19 18:51:33 oh really? Nov 19 18:51:45 update feeds? Nov 19 18:51:45 yeah its in my updates Nov 19 18:51:47 WHAT THE FRICK!~ Nov 19 18:51:58 anyway, that patch CREATES a dir dBsooner-work, remember what I said Nov 19 18:52:06 I have preware set to update feeds everytime I open Nov 19 18:52:19 I have this damn screen that says "Signed Out: You are no longer signed in to your Palm Profile on this Phone." Nov 19 18:52:32 That's...awesome. Nov 19 18:52:41 i have hit the "Erase data" Nov 19 18:52:49 and it just comes back to that screen Nov 19 18:53:01 Has there been any work to get mplayer working on the pre with DFB? Nov 19 18:53:07 hey guys :) Nov 19 18:53:27 Awww, "Update All" "does nothing yet." Nov 19 18:53:29 :p Nov 19 18:53:59 so do you know how to fix the issue dbsooner-work? Nov 19 18:54:45 ice-11 I'm still trying to figure out how to get media files to play spontaneously from command line. Nov 19 18:54:47 hckyplayer024: egaudet_work will tell you Nov 19 18:54:52 I have to go scream at the sprint store Nov 19 18:54:55 becaues my pre is fried Nov 19 18:55:00 ahhhh Nov 19 18:55:04 good luck Nov 19 18:55:12 I recently got a new pre from them Nov 19 18:55:21 even though they told me it was refurbished Nov 19 18:55:21 that's going to be my goal Nov 19 18:55:38 I looked at RTN and it was brand new Nov 19 18:55:55 it even had the original screen protector thing they come with new Nov 19 18:56:03 no wiggle Nov 19 18:56:09 power buttons work Nov 19 18:56:11 im happy Nov 19 18:56:12 finally Nov 19 18:56:36 egaudet_work can you help me troubleshoot this problem? Nov 19 18:56:43 please :D Nov 19 18:56:44 well mine is an 06062009 Nov 19 18:57:03 hckyplayer024, let's find out if the files are patched Nov 19 18:57:05 10/15/2009 Nov 19 18:57:28 okay, sounds good Nov 19 18:57:36 im logged in as root now Nov 19 19:00:59 ? Nov 19 19:01:05 cd / Nov 19 19:01:17 md5sum -c usr/lib/ipkg/info/luna-applauncher.md5sums Nov 19 19:02:44 nothing about command line in there Nov 19 19:03:11 ./usr/lib/luna/system/luna-applauncher/resources/es_us/views/global-search/number-in-email-div.html: OK Nov 19 19:03:12 ./usr/lib/luna/system/luna-applauncher/resources/es_us/views/global-search/add-number-div.html: OK Nov 19 19:03:12 ./usr/lib/luna/system/luna-applauncher/resources/es_us/views/global-search/expanded-searches-div.html: OK Nov 19 19:03:12 ./usr/lib/luna/system/luna-applauncher/resources/es_us/views/global-search/speed-dial-div.html: OK Nov 19 19:03:13 ./usr/lib/luna/system/luna-applauncher/resources/es_us/views/global-search/number-div.html: OK Nov 19 19:03:16 ./usr/lib/luna/system/luna-applauncher/resources/es_us/views/global-search/single-contact-entry.html: OK Nov 19 19:03:39 ./usr/lib/luna/system/luna-applauncher/stylesheets/launcher.css: FAILED Nov 19 19:03:39 ./usr/lib/luna/system/luna-applauncher/stylesheets/global-search.css: OK Nov 19 19:03:39 ./usr/lib/luna/system/luna-applauncher/app/models/ApplicationService.js: OK Nov 19 19:03:40 ./usr/lib/luna/system/luna-applauncher/app/models/default-page-layout.json: OK Nov 19 19:03:40 ./usr/lib/luna/system/luna-applauncher/app/models/launcher-pages.js: OK Nov 19 19:03:40 ./usr/lib/luna/system/luna-applauncher/app/models/SystemManagerService.js: OK Nov 19 19:03:41 ./usr/lib/luna/system/luna-applauncher/app/controllers/app-assistant.js: OK Nov 19 19:03:43 ./usr/lib/luna/system/luna-applauncher/app/controllers/global-search-assistant.js: OK Nov 19 19:03:58 ./usr/lib/luna/system/luna-applauncher/app/controllers/launcher-assistant.js: FAILED Nov 19 19:03:58 ./usr/lib/luna/system/luna-applauncher/app/controllers/launcher-animation.js: OK Nov 19 19:03:58 ./usr/lib/luna/system/luna-applauncher/app/controllers/app-info-assistant.js: OK Nov 19 19:03:59 ./usr/lib/luna/system/luna-applauncher/app/controllers/reorder-controller.js: FAILED Nov 19 19:04:39 wtf Nov 19 19:04:49 You see those 3 FAILED? Nov 19 19:04:57 you need to fix them Nov 19 19:05:18 webos.pastebin.com is your friend Nov 19 19:06:46 okay and I know its only those three because I get a message at the bottom that say 3 out of 103 did not match Nov 19 19:06:52 so how do I fix them Nov 19 19:07:01 are you sure that's all you got? Nov 19 19:07:05 there's not more output than that? Nov 19 19:07:08 (pastebin it) Nov 19 19:07:27 nvm Nov 19 19:07:32 just those 3 FAILED Nov 19 19:07:37 get them from 1.3.1 doctor Nov 19 19:07:41 replace them Nov 19 19:08:14 http://webos.pastebin.com/m26c0b637 Nov 19 19:08:41 well I put it on pastebin anyways Nov 19 19:08:55 ok well I need to download doctor 1.3.1 Nov 19 19:09:38 recover those files, then run that md5sum line again and make sure all is OK Nov 19 19:09:59 okay, is there any way to download the doctor without giving palm your serial number? Nov 19 19:10:36 or is it not a big deal at all Nov 19 19:12:41 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions Nov 19 19:12:59 direct dl from there Nov 19 19:13:25 thanks Nov 19 19:13:36 I'll let you know when I dont get any more failed Nov 19 19:13:44 k Nov 19 19:14:01 can you do ls /usr/lib/luna/system/luna-applauncher/app/views/ Nov 19 19:14:36 global-search launcher Nov 19 19:15:22 damn you guys have a fast server. 1.3mbps download! Nov 19 19:16:21 that link is from sprint server Nov 19 19:16:32 lol Nov 19 19:16:46 its the direct download link that you get when you go through the serial number steps Nov 19 19:17:17 i see Nov 19 19:22:16 hi Nov 19 19:22:18 anyone here know a way to dual boot the Pre with WebOS and Android? Nov 19 19:24:43 bkuberek: as far as I'm aware such a thing has not successfully been attempted yet Nov 19 19:25:44 Does the backup utility preserve linked contacts? Nov 19 19:25:49 egaudet_work everything is good now Nov 19 19:26:16 I want to doctor, but not if those get lost. Nov 19 19:26:39 tlp: no Nov 19 19:26:46 you have to go into your contacts prefences Nov 19 19:26:53 and like 'sync now' to make sure they're synched Nov 19 19:26:54 hckyplayer024, run ipkg -o /var list_installed | grep universal-search Nov 19 19:27:11 also, palm profile is ... iffy, i'd recommend synching to a google account for safety Nov 19 19:27:14 pkg: not found Nov 19 19:27:27 whoops Nov 19 19:27:29 didnt get the i Nov 19 19:27:46 org.webosinternals.patches.universal-search-command-line - 1.2.1-21 - Command Line Nov 19 19:28:55 ipkg -o /var remove org.webosinternals.patches.universal-search-command-line Nov 19 19:30:15 okay Nov 19 19:30:41 punzada: so, if I doctor and then re-sync from my Google account, linked contacts will be preserved? Nov 19 19:30:46 restart luna and I should be good? Nov 19 19:30:47 that doesn't make sense Nov 19 19:32:22 you set google as your default synch account Nov 19 19:32:26 test to pre Nov 19 19:32:37 you synch it, you doctor, then once clean you simply resynch it Nov 19 19:32:38 yeah Nov 19 19:32:42 it drops the contacts all back Nov 19 19:32:47 I don't know how Google preserves the linked contacts though Nov 19 19:32:48 uh oh now the patch that I have for the 4x4 icons isnt working Nov 19 19:32:51 test ack Nov 19 19:33:10 oh Nov 19 19:33:11 sorry Nov 19 19:33:16 i was reading what you were saying totally wrong Nov 19 19:33:27 sync will back up contacts, nothing backs up linked contacts Nov 19 19:33:34 It took a long time to weed out the redundancy in my contacts list. I don't want to have to do that again Nov 19 19:33:35 you always have to re-sync after a doctor Nov 19 19:33:38 >> Nov 19 19:33:43 that's pretty lame Nov 19 19:33:43 err Nov 19 19:33:45 k, thanks Nov 19 19:33:47 re-link* Nov 19 19:33:56 yeah it is, thats why i haven't bothered going link crazy yet Nov 19 19:33:56 egaudet_work Nov 19 19:33:58 np Nov 19 19:34:48 I need me some blank dvds Nov 19 19:34:56 Come to my office, I got stacks of them. Nov 19 19:35:11 In fact, i need to order more. Nov 19 19:35:14 I need some blank dvds and I need at least a 32gb thumb drive Nov 19 19:35:23 Thumb drive I can't help you with. Nov 19 19:35:41 although the cost of the 32gb thumb drives i might as well get a wd passport with 10x more storage Nov 19 19:35:45 is egaudet_work not here anymore? Nov 19 19:36:17 hi Nov 19 19:36:22 Nope, he's gone. Nov 19 19:36:44 so I restarted Luna on my phone after I did that Nov 19 19:36:53 and my 4x4 icons isnt working now Nov 19 19:37:12 and preware thinks I have that installed also Nov 19 19:37:20 and it wont let me install the command line patch either Nov 19 19:45:26 oh I thought you ran EPR Nov 19 19:45:57 so I need to run EPR again now? Nov 19 19:46:13 I only ran EPR before I upgraded to 1.3.1 Nov 19 19:47:56 my battery life has been outstanding since 1.3.1 (this is one of those rare non-sarcastic statements that I make) Nov 19 19:48:22 Has anyone gotten fceux to work on the pre lately? DirectFB fails because of the "autoflip-window" option in /etc/directfbrc Nov 19 19:48:32 ameng: ping Nov 19 19:52:56 can you doctor pre w/ pixi doctor ? Nov 19 19:56:22 no clue, but a fairy doctor will fix anything Nov 19 19:56:46 gkatsev: not that there's anything wrong with that Nov 19 19:57:22 :D Nov 19 19:57:41 74% right now =\ Nov 19 19:59:04 * nt4cats|work doubts that anyone got the obscure reference (probably not too many Seinfeld watchers in this crowd) Nov 19 19:59:49 nt4cats|work: i think ive seen that ep. but its been so long... and ive seen so much other stuff since. Nov 19 20:00:56 looks like modifying tars halt doctor Nov 19 20:01:07 gkatsev: any time the characters mentioned anything, anyone, or anything-thing-that-could-be-construed-as homosexual, they'd follow it up with a "... not that there's anything wrong with that." Nov 19 20:01:10 hckyplayer024, I thought you were at a no-patch state except for lingering uscl patch, so we messed up your other patch by recovering files that it touched Nov 19 20:01:18 I would run EPR now Nov 19 20:01:45 nt4cats|work: right. Nov 19 20:01:59 though, by fairy i was referring to the magical being. Nov 19 20:02:13 gkatsev: you were ... it is also a slang term for a gay man Nov 19 20:02:21 i know Nov 19 20:02:54 gkatsev: I have a strange (and irreverant) sense of humor. I'll stop now. Nov 19 20:03:21 lol, thats ok. i do too Nov 19 20:15:56 morning Nov 19 20:16:34 woot up? Nov 19 20:16:47 rwhitby: I hate my Pre! :( Nov 19 20:24:01 g'day Nov 19 20:25:10 from a seppo Nov 19 20:28:37 dBsooner-work, i told u that u should f with ur phone Nov 19 20:28:41 now u gotta deal with it Nov 19 20:28:41 :p Nov 19 20:30:23 en0x: nothing to do with the phone Nov 19 20:30:28 it's the palm profile servers Nov 19 20:30:42 call them and yell at them Nov 19 20:31:55 dBsooner-work: send me your pre, I'll make sure it stops bothering you. Nov 19 20:32:10 lol Nov 19 20:38:47 dBSooner-work: what's the prob? Nov 19 20:39:09 i had a problem with my palm profile not working... but that's cuz i didnt' have the EV icon up top Nov 19 20:39:27 forgot to do the "reset" thing in the phone app's prefs Nov 19 20:40:42 xorg: "seppo" -- nice. Nov 19 20:40:50 dBsooner-work: "update network settings" i mean Nov 19 20:42:03 google -> urban dictionary -> (surprise!) Nov 19 20:47:14 nt4cats|work: this one's way funnier... http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pimp%20slap Nov 19 20:47:57 'Different from a "bitch slap", which uses the palm of the hand and can be recreational.' Nov 19 20:48:08 ~smack grndslm Nov 19 20:48:10 * infobot smacks grndslm upside the head. Nov 19 20:48:20 yea dude... the definitions only get better Nov 19 20:52:10 seppo view of the world: http://i.imgur.com/E7wEO.jpg Nov 19 20:54:15 well, there's a term i've never heard before Nov 19 20:54:56 does seem like a pretty accurate map to me, tho Nov 19 21:03:51 nt4cats|work: nice Nov 19 21:10:13 rwhitby: Found a bug in Palm's Profile system. Nov 19 21:10:17 Or somewhere there abouts. Nov 19 21:19:24 * nt4cats|work is going to get on a train and head home ... see you jokers later Nov 19 21:57:14 * rwhitby is considering making the Package Manager Service check every 30 seconds to make sure it is still running. Nov 19 21:57:30 Anyone look into a longer vibrate option? Nov 19 22:00:50 rwhitby, how do you make sure it's running itself if it's not running Nov 19 22:01:56 is vibrate functionality available to public apps yet? Nov 19 22:02:05 or still private service call Nov 19 22:02:30 rwhitby, so there's a slight bug in APT Nov 19 22:03:42 when opening preware start ipkgservice if not already running? Nov 19 22:04:08 when a patch creates a directory, backup files aren't created and thus the new files in the new directory aren't removed by EPR Nov 19 22:11:34 Does filemgr service not install with Preware? Nov 19 22:12:36 or is it incompatible with 1.3.1? Nov 19 22:15:27 Go to list everything and type file and see if it shows it. Nov 19 22:15:33 Abyssul: it should install fine with Preware Nov 19 22:15:44 I installed them both and rebooted Nov 19 22:15:50 it says the service isnt running Nov 19 22:15:52 Abyssul: but Canuck Software's feed is not working Nov 19 22:16:05 can preware be easily setup to handle optware's feeds ? Nov 19 22:16:17 well I can find it on my pre lol. and It updates feeds every startup Nov 19 22:16:19 Abyssul: interesting - probably the same problem as package manager not working for some people Nov 19 22:16:29 ugh Nov 19 22:16:35 Abyssul: ah, maybe he fixed his feed overnight Nov 19 22:16:43 Abyssul: do you have a command line ? Nov 19 22:16:47 anyone know the command to force the Pre to recollect all the images into the photo app? Nov 19 22:16:48 yea Nov 19 22:17:10 I need internalz to force the photo app to detect my new images I put into the Pre Nov 19 22:17:38 reboot? Nov 19 22:17:42 Doesnt work Nov 19 22:18:07 Whatca need me to do rwhitby? Nov 19 22:18:28 Abyssul: can you edit /etc/event.d/ ? Nov 19 22:18:41 (I dunno what the exact filename is) Nov 19 22:18:55 filemgr? Nov 19 22:19:02 yes Nov 19 22:27:19 any ideas rwhitby? Nov 19 22:28:51 does /etc/event.d/filemgr exist? Nov 19 22:29:05 yea Nov 19 22:29:05 Abyssul: can you pastebin the contents please? Nov 19 22:29:35 rwhitby: http://pastebin.com/d696939ca Nov 19 22:30:35 omg, did engadget try to make their site crappier? Nov 19 22:30:53 hehe Nov 19 22:30:56 I saw that Nov 19 22:31:01 Abyssul: uncomment the respawn command at the end, and then run: stop filemgr ; start filemgr Nov 19 22:31:06 rss/google reader++ Nov 19 22:31:35 good evening Nov 19 22:33:33 rwhitby: Removed the "#", pkill filemgr, and luna restarted. Still ooesn't work Nov 19 22:33:56 pkill shouldn't work on filemgr Nov 19 22:34:09 well how do I stop then start Nov 19 22:34:12 pkill is not for upstart script Nov 19 22:34:17 using the commands I gave Nov 19 22:34:36 stop filemgr ; start filemgr Nov 19 22:34:52 those are short-cuts for initctl ... Nov 19 22:35:01 no luck Nov 19 22:35:04 I do stop && start, works for luna for me Nov 19 22:35:18 it says it starts up and running in command Nov 19 22:35:41 Abyssul: pastebin "grep filemgr /var/etc/messages" please Nov 19 22:36:11 rwhitby, was it confirmed/tested that partial erase removes /var/usr/lib/.webosinternals.patches? Nov 19 22:36:28 No such file or directory Nov 19 22:36:37 Abyssul: pastebin "grep filemgr /var/log/messages" please Nov 19 22:36:43 (typo) Nov 19 22:36:54 egaudet_work: dunno Nov 19 22:37:13 rwhitby: http://pastebin.com/d3e28e39f Nov 19 22:38:05 Abyssul: and is it working now? Nov 19 22:38:11 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/215829-preware-issues-please-help.html#post2049736 Nov 19 22:38:24 No Nov 19 22:38:35 oh nm Nov 19 22:38:44 "ca.canucksoftware.filemgr is not running." Nov 19 22:38:49 I forget backups are kept in place Nov 19 22:39:05 * egaudet_work ponders copying backups to patch control area Nov 19 22:39:52 no wait yea re: that post, EPR should still work Nov 19 22:39:58 after partial erase Nov 19 22:40:19 ok, I'll rescind the post Nov 19 22:42:20 Well do you know a command to force the Pre to relist the new images? Nov 19 22:42:35 Abyssul: luna-send -n 1 luna://ca.canucksoftware.filemgr/status '{}' Nov 19 22:42:36 Jason had an alternate solution to internalz, but now I cant remember Nov 19 22:42:52 Abyssul: that's the command to start the filemgr service Nov 19 22:43:04 Abyssul: please try it and see if the service is then running Nov 19 22:43:25 All that happens is a ">" appears Nov 19 22:44:05 Abyssul: typo? Nov 19 22:44:16 copy and pasted Nov 19 22:44:20 ohh Nov 19 22:44:23 missed the ' Nov 19 22:44:49 bbl Nov 19 22:45:21 ** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, {"returnValue":false,"errorCode":-1,"errorText":"Launch helper exited with unknown return code 0"} Nov 19 22:46:01 Abyssul: interesting - try it again Nov 19 22:47:04 rwhitby: same thing Nov 19 22:48:52 Abyssul: ps -efww | grep filemgr Nov 19 22:49:54 http://pastebin.com/d44eacd88 Nov 19 22:50:56 Abyssul: ls -l /usr/lib/luna/java/ Nov 19 22:54:55 rwhitby: http://pastebin.com/d480bee2d Nov 19 22:57:49 Abyssul: -rwxrwxrwx 1 luna 1000 21479 Oct 6 19:09 FileMgr.jar Nov 19 22:57:56 Abyssul: how did you install FileMgr ? Nov 19 22:58:02 Preware Nov 19 22:58:12 notice how it's owned by luna, and not root? Nov 19 22:58:21 sure Nov 19 22:58:42 Abyssul: ls -l /var/usr/lib/luna/java/ Nov 19 22:59:23 rwhiteby: http://pastebin.com/d4a6b4367 Nov 19 22:59:59 rwhitby: spelled name wrong :) Nov 19 23:00:50 Abyssul: notice how those are owned by root, not luna. Nov 19 23:00:58 Abyssul: are you sure you used Preware to install FileMgr ? Nov 19 23:01:03 yes Nov 19 23:01:07 100% Nov 19 23:01:11 I just did it like 2 hours ago Nov 19 23:01:20 and its a fresh install of 1.3.1 Nov 19 23:01:51 Really? cause http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/canuck-software/Packages is empty, so you couldn't have installed it using Preware and that feed. Nov 19 23:02:07 or is it in another feed now? Nov 19 23:02:31 Let me check it Nov 19 23:02:31 ah, I see. it's now in PreCentral feed. Nov 19 23:02:41 Mmhmm Nov 19 23:04:11 Abyssul: ok, I've been able to reproduce it on the emulator Nov 19 23:04:27 rwhitby: Got time for me to run a hypothetical bug with Palm by you? Nov 19 23:04:42 Abyssul: thanks - this might give me a chance to fix the ipkgservice problem too Nov 19 23:04:55 dBsooner-work: sure Nov 19 23:05:07 anyone have any tips on how to get prewareinstaller.exe to work with a pixi running 1.3.1? I was able to successfully install preware using the tool on the emulator but when I try using the device it simply "closes" shortly after I press install. Nov 19 23:05:15 OK rwhitby: its a long one to follow. Nov 19 23:06:31 whizack: have you tried http://install.preware.org ? Nov 19 23:06:33 Any idea on how to relist the photos though? Nov 19 23:06:33 rwhitby: Saturday I webos-doctored.. I had changed my email and didn't want to have my old email as my palm profile email. So when it came up to the profile setup, I just did "Create new" and put in . Nov 19 23:07:11 Abyssul: nope, sorry. but once I figure out this problem both Internalz and Preware will work again. Nov 19 23:07:34 Sweetness Nov 19 23:07:54 no I haven't tried the webosquickinstall approach, I figured if the pre-packaged version worked on the emulator that I shouldn't need to go through the trouble of using quickinstall... but maybe I was wrong to assume that. Nov 19 23:10:33 rwhitby: Everything went fine and then on Monday, I wanted to see if old profile was still there on Palm's server. If it was, i wanted to delete it. Nov 19 23:10:39 rwhitby: /sbin/stop fileindexer /bin/rm -f /var/luna/data/mediadb.db3 /sbin/start fileindexer Nov 19 23:10:43 oops Nov 19 23:10:52 rwhitby: http://forums.precentral.net/general-webos-chat/211198-photos-not-showing-after-reset.html#post1996649 Nov 19 23:10:56 Another solution Nov 19 23:10:59 whizack: the stand-alone installers are new, and not as well tested. I haven't run the windows exe myself. Nov 19 23:11:57 whizack: I know the .jar file works, but you have to rescan or reboot afterwards to see Preware in the launcher. Nov 19 23:12:06 rwhitby: So I signed in @palm.com. And it went through just fine.. so I looked for "Delete" which was no where to be found. SO I thought, "I wonder if I can just "change email" to make be "... SO I tried it.. to my surprise, it worked without even prompting me that the email was already in use (like it does on the phone if you try to create a new profile with an email that is already used. Nov 19 23:12:29 i get an error with the jar that says "webos doctor .jar" not found when i run it Nov 19 23:12:49 Then all of a sudden, this morning (EARLY).. My phone got the "You have been signed out of you Palm profile" with my only options being "Just restart" and "Erase All Data". Nov 19 23:13:12 Both of which just restarted the phone and brought me back to the same prompt. Nov 19 23:13:40 I could make phone calls by hitting the little phone in th corner, but couldn't do anything else. Including bringing down the device menu, etc. Nov 19 23:14:14 So i tried everything.. I even ##RTN#'d it.. which, oddly, didn't reset any of my /var or /usr folders Nov 19 23:14:30 I ended up having to change some stuff in the firstrun database. Nov 19 23:14:52 Abyssul: try doing a java restart with Luna Manager to get Internalz running Nov 19 23:14:55 http://webos.pastebin.com/m1aa0bda6 Nov 19 23:15:23 whizack: yeah, you need the doctor in the same directory Nov 19 23:15:50 you'll notice the line 6 has "invalidtoken" and line 23 "isinvalidtoken=true" Nov 19 23:15:58 I had to change those to "language" and "false" Nov 19 23:16:15 rebooted phone and voila! I got the prompt for "english", etc. Nov 19 23:16:45 But, to my dismay, I couldn't sign into my palm profile. I know it wasn't the internet connection, because I could SSH into the PRe over the Sprint network. Nov 19 23:16:45 dBsooner-work: would simply removing that database done the same job? Nov 19 23:16:55 rwhitby: I don't know. Nov 19 23:17:14 rwhitby: I ended up having to go back to palm.com and change my email on my profile Nov 19 23:17:26 rwhitby: ok that might be the reason why it's not working then, i'll download it and see if that fixes it. Nov 19 23:17:26 changed it to Nov 19 23:17:31 dBsooner-work: http://forums.palm.com/palm/board/message?board.id=webossoftware&message.id=9563#M9563 Nov 19 23:17:39 sory, Nov 19 23:17:40 dBsooner-work: spammy bugger! Nov 19 23:17:42 :p Nov 19 23:18:00 Plus,k when I tried to sign in from phone with a WRONG PASSWORD, it told me so. Nov 19 23:18:12 Or with an email address that didn't match one in the palm servers.. it told me that too. Nov 19 23:18:18 So the phone was talkinng to palm. Nov 19 23:18:32 But then once I changed the email @palm.com, I could create a new profile with Nov 19 23:18:34 and all was well Nov 19 23:18:51 patch installl just failed, dinner is ready. I'll have to come back after dinner Nov 19 23:18:56 So I think Palm.com allowing you to change your email to an email that is already in use == THe problem. Nov 19 23:19:36 And the phone not reverting the firstrun database is the second problem. Nov 19 23:19:43 dBsooner-work: allowing you to change your email to someone else's is a bigger problem Nov 19 23:19:45 You guys might know this better than the other channel, What does the critical error "fileindexer[1018]: Failed to get path details" mean? Nov 19 23:19:50 yep Nov 19 23:20:01 rwhitby: I know.. I need to "test' that Nov 19 23:20:08 and luckily.. I have a spare profile Nov 19 23:20:16 I just need another guinea pig Nov 19 23:20:17 dBsooner-work: send that one to security Nov 19 23:21:16 I mean, you have to "confirm" the change Nov 19 23:21:27 but it lets you do it none the less Nov 19 23:21:30 dBsooner-work: oh, you get an email you need to confirm? Nov 19 23:21:43 rwhitby: yes.. but it should tell you, That email is already in use. Nov 19 23:21:46 and not let you even try. Nov 19 23:21:57 even then.. if you get the email, and then you click "cofirm line" Nov 19 23:22:01 it should fail. Nov 19 23:22:05 but it doesn't. Nov 19 23:23:25 dBsooner-work: oh, that's fine then. no it should not tell you it's already in use, cause then you could trawl for email addresses Nov 19 23:23:25 it should accept it, but not use it until it is confirmed, and not affect the other profile that already has that email address. Nov 19 23:23:25 (until it is confirmed, at which point it should disable the other profile) Nov 19 23:23:48 yes, but I don't think it disabled the other profile properly Nov 19 23:24:13 Abyssul: Internalz worked fine for me after a java restart Nov 19 23:24:14 Again, this is all speculation Nov 19 23:24:46 oh.. and my other issue? Nov 19 23:25:01 dBsooner-work: I'd put that in the bucket of probably untested functionality, cause you wouldn't expect someone who owns both profiles to change the email of one to the same as the other. Nov 19 23:25:04 Palm Support told me "your profile CANNOT be deleted.. It is on the server indefinitely" Nov 19 23:25:24 * dBsooner-work doesn't like that. Nov 19 23:25:34 * rwhitby suggests not using it then ;-) Nov 19 23:25:40 lol Nov 19 23:25:47 * dBsooner-work isn't going to. Nov 19 23:26:02 * dBsooner-work is about to be synergy-free Nov 19 23:26:22 or at least cloud profile free Nov 19 23:27:30 ~seen oil Nov 19 23:27:34 oil was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 18h 33m 25s ago, saying: 'really?'. Nov 19 23:27:41 ~seen oil_pre Nov 19 23:27:44 oil_pre was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 1d 23h 2m 13s ago, saying: 'cats for themes = ftw'. Nov 19 23:27:51 ~seen oil_work Nov 19 23:27:53 oil_work was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 33d 23h 55m 44s ago, saying: 'lol'. Nov 19 23:28:33 isn't it oilswrkn? Nov 19 23:28:35 Abyssul: looks like Preware did not correctly honour the RestartJava flags on FileMgr Nov 19 23:28:54 ~seen oilswrkn Nov 19 23:28:55 oilswrkn was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 12d 23h 59m 13s ago, saying: 'and whats that, manly?'. Nov 19 23:32:39 howdy Nov 19 23:35:09 hm Nov 19 23:35:55 jason actually disappeared Nov 19 23:36:02 I need a java guy. Nov 19 23:36:20 He's not your assistant to get coffee. Nov 19 23:36:49 Templarian, i'm unsure of that comments implied meaning? Nov 19 23:37:02 s/comments/comment's Nov 19 23:37:23 "I need a java guy." java is also a brew of coffee. Nov 19 23:37:50 got a keymap patch request Nov 19 23:38:13 how does preware installed dropbear load ? Nov 19 23:38:17 Precentral (might be best in the WebOS Development section) Nov 19 23:38:29 fine i'll harrass them Nov 19 23:43:22 Templarian, I get it now, thank you. Nov 19 23:44:51 haha Nov 19 23:45:46 rwhitby/dbsooner: the problem with that profile scenario is that the device doesnt hold up first use setup on the email confirmation. so it needs to validate the account at FU time via the user pass and return a yes/no decision to drive the user to re-enter if it's already reserved (and they dont know the password) Nov 19 23:46:13 it *should* be providing the usual minimal feedback on account access/creation like services normally do Nov 19 23:46:38 if you're seeing problems you think are security risks there please send details to webos-security@palm.com Nov 19 23:47:47 bhern: thx Nov 19 23:51:58 the postinst script for the command-line patch failed, and the patch log suggests it didn't back out the files it patched. I'm a bit scared ... Nov 19 23:53:39 nt4cats: are you sure it wasn't just a dry run that failed first? Nov 19 23:54:28 nope. i'll have to look at the postinst script when I break out my laptop in a bit Nov 19 23:55:25 nt4cats: if it's in preware, it will do a dry-run patch first, and fail the postinst before touching any files if the dry-run fails Nov 19 23:55:28 'nope' == 'I am not sure yet' Nov 19 23:56:16 rwhitby: it was in preware -- so now I feel better that I don't have a half-patched Pre Nov 19 23:56:54 rwhitby: thanks for the info, that's good to know. Nov 19 23:57:08 nt4cats: that's "AutoPatch" technology keeping you safe ;-) Nov 19 23:57:49 our philosopy is "first do no harm" Nov 19 23:59:30 rwhitby: maybe i'll pitch in on autopatch-v2 that'll tell you which other patch caused the conflict :o Nov 20 00:00:44 ... but I like the current version just fine Nov 20 00:01:29 nt4cats: I'm thinking we need something on the autobuilder which detects conflicting patches automatically at build time, but haven't dreamed up how to do it yet. Nov 20 00:02:52 I don't know the autobuilder, but I have an idea about how something like that might work. i'll type it up Nov 20 00:08:13 does preware/optware dropbear make a key somewhere ??? Nov 20 00:08:33 rwhitby: that would be processor intenswe Nov 20 00:08:48 but you could go through and set the TOUCHED files in a variable and compare them all Nov 20 00:08:59 if it matches the TOUCHED, have it detect which line and how many lines it uses Nov 20 00:09:08 A2NY: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Dropbear Nov 20 00:09:10 then compare those lines to the other lines inuse Nov 20 00:11:12 A2NY: you need to make a key yourself, and then upload the public bit to the Pre Nov 20 00:13:04 ok Nov 20 00:15:00 http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2050077 <- anyone having problems with the Package Manager Service not starting, please test this. Nov 20 00:17:25 rwhitby: We REALLY need to rename that Nov 20 00:25:45 huh... well.. at least webos dr 1.3.1 kept my tunes and quicklaunch in order Nov 20 00:26:15 ~smack kesne Nov 20 00:26:17 * infobot smacks kesne upside the head. Nov 20 00:26:21 ~botsnack Nov 20 00:26:23 kesne: :) Nov 20 00:31:26 dbsooner-work are you available? Nov 20 00:36:57 how do you unmount the usb drive from linux Nov 20 00:37:44 A2NY, umount ? Nov 20 00:38:11 I should of said, stop the service Nov 20 00:38:12 hckyplayer024: I am, but I am not Nov 20 00:38:16 if you can give me an hour I'll be home. Nov 20 00:38:35 anyone have the problem of all mail accounts being stuck at POP after syncing palm profile? (just ran webOS dr 1.3.1) Nov 20 00:38:52 okay, because I was talking with egaudet and you earlier and we werent able to fix the problem. so ill see you in an hour? Nov 20 00:40:46 pkill usb_mass_storag worked Nov 20 00:41:48 eww Nov 20 00:43:08 zsoc: connected via usb, didn't want to lose connection =\ Nov 20 00:46:45 hey hey... dBsooner: have you uploaded the real sms per contact patch for 1.3.1? I've been getting lots of people with errors from the wrong version I posted and they are waiting for the new one.... Nov 20 00:49:45 rwhitby: I'll put together a proof-of-concept "patch conflict finder" for you ... do you have a second to discuss a theoretical 'interface' between it and the autobuilder? Nov 20 00:50:09 nt4cats: sure Nov 20 00:50:24 elryon: is the updated one in git? Nov 20 00:50:45 (or just sent via the form?) Nov 20 00:50:55 sent via form this morning Nov 20 00:52:35 elryon: ok, probably waiting for dBsooner-work to get home from work then :-) Nov 20 00:52:59 and do anything else he has to do in real life ;) Nov 20 00:53:30 elryon: but thanks for sending it, I'm sure we'll get it in as soon as possible. Nov 20 00:53:50 rwhitby: is your autobuild something like hudson? Nov 20 00:54:03 ok.. just thought I'd try and bother you guys about it.. Nov 20 00:55:57 rwhitby: I assume that the end-result of this process would be some sort of cross-reference table that could get loaded into PreWare specifying patch collisions Nov 20 00:57:26 rwhitby: ... because assuming that's it the size and complexity of this output is the key design constraint Nov 20 00:58:01 is elryon in the house? Nov 20 00:58:32 delete email from notifcation bar is not working Nov 20 00:58:34 nt4cats: git.webos-internals.org/preware/build.git is the autobuilder Nov 20 00:59:04 nt4cats: I'd like to do the analysis at build time, and include Conflicts: headers into the ipkg files. Nov 20 00:59:14 elryon, I had to revert bavk to olderver 1 delete from notication Nov 20 01:00:03 rwhitby would you be able to help me with a problem I have with the command line patch? Nov 20 01:00:03 rwhitby: build time with Conflicts: headers -- makes sense. Nov 20 01:00:24 hckyplayer024: probably not, but state it anyway Nov 20 01:01:50 okay so I did EPR before I upgraded to 1.3.1 and thought everything went well. Yesterday an update showed in preware for the command line patch I had installed when I was in 1.2.1. I tried to uninstall it but it wouldnt let me, so earlier today I was troubleshooting with egaudet and he had me do a md5sums check or something and I fixed all the errors that I had Nov 20 01:02:07 so then he had me enter a command that made preware know that I didnt have the patch installed Nov 20 01:02:26 when I did that it removed the 4x4 v3 patch I had Nov 20 01:02:31 so I did EPR Nov 20 01:03:00 trim-pre: I'm not sure I follow what you mean? Nov 20 01:03:01 and I still cant install the new command line patch Nov 20 01:03:03 rwhitby: not knowing what tools & languages you're using .. what would be the easiest way for you to call the "conflict finder"? Command-line, post some XML or JSON to a seperate [server] process? Nov 20 01:03:30 nt4cats: makefiles, python, shell scripts. Nov 20 01:03:45 rwhitby: sweet -- I was thinking of python :) Nov 20 01:04:12 nt4cats: take a look at that git repo in the autopatch subdir Nov 20 01:04:52 rwhitby: I'll do that (look at git) Nov 20 01:05:40 ok... I have one patch "personal avatar left side "that wont uninstall... Nov 20 01:05:55 rwhitby: for the POC I'll just produce a list of conflicts. Once we see that working we can bend it into something that is useful for creating Conflict: headers Nov 20 01:05:58 elryon: the new delete email from notifcation (far rigt trash can), does not push the delete command to the server..all I does is remove it from notification bar Nov 20 01:06:01 Im attempting to get the new update Nov 20 01:06:10 webos upd. Nov 20 01:06:18 oh hey cousin Nov 20 01:06:25 yo!!! Nov 20 01:06:27 lol Nov 20 01:06:29 ^_^ Nov 20 01:06:42 what u doin in here Nov 20 01:06:48 * nt4cats has to go yell at his kids for a few minutes -- be back soon. Nov 20 01:06:54 lol, i'm a scene whore Nov 20 01:06:58 lol Nov 20 01:07:09 what are you in wirc? Nov 20 01:07:16 wow... The interweb is weird Nov 20 01:07:29 Colloquy Nov 20 01:07:36 ah Nov 20 01:07:43 nice, bring the drinks Nov 20 01:07:46 and we have a party Nov 20 01:07:54 you know!!! Nov 20 01:07:59 trim-pre: I'm not familiar with that patch... Nov 20 01:07:59 lol Nov 20 01:08:05 Double Ramseys for everyone!!! Nov 20 01:08:31 lol Nov 20 01:08:33 hckyplayer024: you rebooted the device and manually updated the feeds in Preware after updating to webOS 1.3.1, right? Nov 20 01:08:35 elryon: hmm do I have the right developer? Nov 20 01:08:51 you can't uninstall a patch? Nov 20 01:08:55 did you use EPR? Nov 20 01:09:02 rwhitby I have the feeds set to update every time Nov 20 01:09:18 I didnt update cause there was one patch left when I went back to installed packages Nov 20 01:09:30 trim-pre: not for that patch... I haven't done anything with email yet... Nov 20 01:09:41 hate when that happens Nov 20 01:09:43 yup Nov 20 01:09:44 and it won't remove? Nov 20 01:09:49 I used epr Nov 20 01:10:08 it says patch : 1 Nov 20 01:10:09 Delaquaa: how did you install that patch in the first place? Nov 20 01:10:22 from the preware Nov 20 01:10:26 elryon: shoot my bad...its LClarkje Nov 20 01:10:47 Delaquaa: hmm - EPR should remove it then. have you tried running EPR a couple of times? Nov 20 01:10:54 btw elryon: hoes the iphone messaging... is it perfected now? Nov 20 01:11:08 no... will try again now... Nov 20 01:11:54 Delaquaa: after you upgrade, can you confirm merlin and jukebox still work for you on ross154? Nov 20 01:12:07 trim-pre: if you use the avatar version and some good balloons it looks great. the patch is in the feed, just add your own balloons for it... Nov 20 01:12:13 will do once I get this patch off Nov 20 01:12:42 elryon: ok thanks Nov 20 01:13:17 Hi, my apologiges for misuing the venue, but i have the damned headphone bug, could someone point me to the right venue. Nov 20 01:13:41 trim-pre: there's also a no avatar version that looks good, I just like the avatar version better.... I'm working on increasing the size of the avatars next... Nov 20 01:13:59 lint: open up pandora, play a song...plug in headphone, then remove it Nov 20 01:14:44 efforting. Nov 20 01:14:47 Can a couple of people please alpha test the new ipkgservice version? Especially if you're having package manager service startup problems? Nov 20 01:14:58 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/all/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice_0.9.20_all.ipk Nov 20 01:15:22 erp says no patches found Nov 20 01:15:59 Delaquaa: can you get a command line on the device? Nov 20 01:16:53 uhhh... Thats a little advanced for me Nov 20 01:17:18 trim-pre alas not working. Nov 20 01:17:56 lint, keep trying it. how long have you had u ur pre for Nov 20 01:18:11 less than 3 months. Nov 20 01:19:08 Delaquaa: install the Terminal app Nov 20 01:19:11 oh wow. Nov 20 01:19:15 it stopped making all sound Nov 20 01:19:20 and then the speaker cam eon Nov 20 01:19:32 has anyone been able to install the universal search patch with preware? Nov 20 01:20:25 installing term app Nov 20 01:20:30 is this a phycial problem with the jack or the circuit sensor? Nov 20 01:20:55 well regardless thanks a lot.. i was getting quite wound up:) Nov 20 01:21:55 lint: its a bug Nov 20 01:21:58 Delaquaa: actually, can you get WebOS Quick Install to connect to the device? Nov 20 01:22:02 but if you got it working, great Nov 20 01:22:10 I hate headphones Nov 20 01:22:11 Delaquaa: Terminal might be painful Nov 20 01:22:15 invest in bluetooth Nov 20 01:22:18 Delaquaa: make sure you have the latest webosquickinstall downloaded Nov 20 01:22:21 really Nov 20 01:22:23 trim : oh come on now,, next thing you'll tell me that there is a timestamp in the camera focusing routine;) Nov 20 01:22:33 on the mac right? Nov 20 01:22:35 trim, i had it pluged into my car stero Nov 20 01:24:50 * Mousey points Delaquaa to newest ver of woqi Nov 20 01:28:12 does anyone know who wrote the patch for the battery percent and icon? Nov 20 01:28:29 hckyplayer024: should be listed in the maintainer field Nov 20 01:28:50 Delaquaa: yep, I use wosqi on the mac Nov 20 01:29:56 its nesl247 and jason robitaille Nov 20 01:31:59 hckyplayer024: likely to both be handles on PreCentral Nov 20 01:32:17 yeah I figured Nov 20 01:32:48 I'd like a way to dim the screen and brighten up the keyboard Nov 20 01:32:57 unfortuantly there's not a perfected patch out yet Nov 20 01:34:30 oil: hi Nov 20 01:34:35 hey Nov 20 01:34:52 oil: do we do RestartJava flags on services installed with Preware? Nov 20 01:35:01 (if they have the flag set in Sources json) Nov 20 01:35:06 yes Nov 20 01:35:34 weird - I just installed FileMgr from PreCentral feed, and it didn't restart java-serviceboo Nov 20 01:35:50 did it have the flags right? Nov 20 01:35:52 Anyone know how to get in touch with frankos2, creator of the "Enable hidden clock patch?" Nov 20 01:35:58 oil: seems to Nov 20 01:36:08 NiteTrek: try PreCentral usually Nov 20 01:36:33 oil: I'll uninstall, reboot, and try again. Nov 20 01:36:36 oil: this is on the emulator Nov 20 01:36:50 yeah, I guess I could see if he's registered there. The seconds hand doesn't move on the analog clock. At least it doesn't on my Pre. Nov 20 01:37:00 oil: ah, it's Type:Application Nov 20 01:37:11 it *shouldnt* matter Nov 20 01:37:53 Rod: question...did you ever receive ur unlocked pre yet? Nov 20 01:37:58 are you using one now? Nov 20 01:38:04 trim-pre: nope, it's lost I think. Nov 20 01:38:09 wtf Nov 20 01:38:17 trim-pre: but fully insured Nov 20 01:38:29 this phone, with all the patches etc is very addicting Nov 20 01:38:36 can't seem to put it down Nov 20 01:38:49 hope you get urs soon Nov 20 01:38:56 did jason ever get his? Nov 20 01:39:11 try webos-anonymous Nov 20 01:39:44 ha Nov 20 01:39:46 so rwhitby, regarding the problem I had earlier, I seem to have fixed everything except now I get an error that says hunk FAILED at 10 for the file /usr/lib/luna/system/luna-applauncher/app/views/launcher/launcher-scene.html I tried to delete that file and put a fresh copy from webos doctor to no avail any other suggestions? Nov 20 01:40:00 ok, Delaquaa is done upgrading WOQI, and is running it Nov 20 01:40:26 hckyplayer... are you trying to install Gregs plugin? Nov 20 01:40:45 its the command line patch Nov 20 01:40:50 for the search Nov 20 01:41:04 ic, have I tried simply replacing the file with quick install Nov 20 01:41:09 no need to delte the file Nov 20 01:41:14 just overwrite it Nov 20 01:41:31 yeah but it still doesnt work Nov 20 01:41:50 I did that before and it didnt work so I thought maybe to delete it and put a new one there manually Nov 20 01:45:08 anyone? Nov 20 01:50:21 so Delaquaa has connected his phone, ran WOQI, but it doesn't see his phone? Nov 20 01:50:31 does the "attempt novacom reinstall" work on a mac? Nov 20 01:51:12 I've never had a problem on the mac. make sure the SDK is installed I guess. Nov 20 01:51:13 when i connect.. I do ust pick just charge right Nov 20 01:51:19 Delaquaa: yep Nov 20 01:51:39 let me unplug and re Nov 20 01:51:48 try Nov 20 01:52:26 rwhitby: so in each of the makefiles you'd like a 'index-conflicts' Makefile target (add this package's information to the master conflict list) and a separate 'generate-conflicts' target for producing a list of conflicts? Nov 20 01:52:54 ahhh... mst be a new ver. of web doc Nov 20 01:53:09 downloading Nov 20 01:54:13 rwhitby: I'm just trying to grok how you'd like all of this wired together ... I think we need both of those targets in order to bootstrap the process Nov 20 01:54:38 nt4cats: I *think* I want a target which looks at the current patch, looks at some list of what lines other patches touch, and adds a conflicts line to some metadata file (conflicting the packages in both directions). then when I generate the Packages file at the end, I'd read that into merge-metadata Nov 20 01:55:10 nt4cats: so the conflicts metadata file gets built as all the patches are traversed first Nov 20 01:55:14 rwhitby: so you always rebuild all packages Nov 20 01:55:35 nt4cats: we always attempt a rebuild - the Makefile normally does nothing if they are up to date Nov 20 01:55:44 nt4cats: we always rebuild the Packages file Nov 20 01:56:43 rwhitby: the rub is if package X was built last week and hasn't changed ... and package Y comes along and conflicts with package X -- we need it to rebuild package X with the new conflict information Nov 20 01:57:09 nt4cats: the conflict information will end up in the feed Packages index file, and that will be good enough Nov 20 01:57:36 we don't want to be rebuilding patch packages all the time, just let the feed contain the Conflicts: information Nov 20 01:57:48 rod: quick question Nov 20 01:57:55 rwhitby: oh, got it. I was thinking you want the actual packages to contain requires/conflicts information. Having the information in the package index is a bit easier ;) Nov 20 01:58:00 does the wirc chat log gets stored into memory? Nov 20 01:58:07 I don't want it to clog up my memory Nov 20 01:58:24 nt4cats: yeah, the purist would want it in the package as well, but since the conflict might be transitory, we shall just use the feed to convey it Nov 20 01:58:27 trim-pre: ask short questions and you won't use up that much memory .. Nov 20 01:58:32 trim-pre: -> #wirc Nov 20 01:59:13 rwhitby: did you find any fixes for internalz? Nov 20 01:59:44 hey everybody...got a question about patches...i just created two patches and wanted to push them onto gitorious so that I could add them to the webos-internals wiki under their proper patch pages...can anyone tell me how to add them to gitorious so I can link to them from the wiki? Nov 20 01:59:48 Abyssul: I think its just a case of Preware didn't run the RestartJava. A reboot or java restart fixed it for me Nov 20 02:00:25 jmartino2011: check the webos-patches forum on precentral, where there is now a form you can submit (with description, screenshots, etc) to get it into Preware Nov 20 02:00:41 jmartino2011: once you get one in, you get gitorious access to update it Nov 20 02:01:09 rwhitby: got it. let me tinker a bit ... unfortunately my previous and current startup are subversion shops -- so I'm ignorant of the mechanics of git (I understand how it is different than svn conceptually) ... but I've been looking for an excuse to 'fix' that ignorance problem ;) Nov 20 02:01:49 nt4cats: that's the reason we're using git, so I can learn it better too :-) Nov 20 02:02:07 rwhitby: it only took me about 7 minutes to figure out how to get the code onto my machine Nov 20 02:03:36 rwhitby: it works now Nov 20 02:03:43 finally... Nov 20 02:04:31 sorry...if anyone replied to my question, can you repeat? i got kicked off Nov 20 02:04:38 jmartino2011: check the webos-patches forum on precentral, where there is now a form you can submit (with description, screenshots, etc) to get it into Preware Nov 20 02:04:41 jmartino2011: once you get one in, you get gitorious access to update it Nov 20 02:05:04 great, thanks rod, i'll check it out Nov 20 02:05:34 Why not just submit the pacthes to dBsooner? Nov 20 02:05:53 who is dBsooner? Nov 20 02:07:08 Abyssul: dBsooner gets the form submission directly, in a format that is easy to work with Nov 20 02:07:21 jmartino2011: Preware Patch Meister Nov 20 02:08:12 oh sorry rod, the patches i created aren't the type that could be loaded from preware...they would have to be loaded via QI after they were modified by the user. for instance, one of the patches is a simple code change to show more bookmarks on the start page of the browser instead of just 12 Nov 20 02:08:30 but the user needs to input a number into the file, save it, and then apply it via QI Nov 20 02:08:37 at least, that's the only way i know how to do it so far Nov 20 02:10:53 jmartino2011: perhaps add a preference option to set the number dynamically at run-time Nov 20 02:11:30 so, has anyone alpha tested Preware 0.9.10 with theme categories? Nov 20 02:12:11 no reason it wouldn't work Nov 20 02:12:26 rwhitby: haha, i wish i knew how to do that much...i was creating a .patch file like what can be found on this page http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/215146-patch-messaging-notification-repeat.html Nov 20 02:12:47 does the mobying dungeonquest server go down a lot? Nov 20 02:13:07 half the time I can't connect to it Nov 20 02:13:23 oil: releasing it now Nov 20 02:13:39 oil: (so I can start on the app limit override preference option) Nov 20 02:14:23 my friend john did 131 without pulling patches. Nov 20 02:14:31 I wish it would resize the partition as well in addition to bumping up the applimt Nov 20 02:14:32 lol Nov 20 02:14:54 how does he reset the install state so he caan reinstall? Nov 20 02:15:02 * Mousey calls the Doctor Nov 20 02:15:17 I don't know why /var is so tiny Nov 20 02:15:25 without doctoring Nov 20 02:15:38 * Mousey has to doctor Nov 20 02:15:54 why in the world will only MY PHONE not connect to certain sites? Nov 20 02:16:22 aaaaand.... even with a 2 gig var, and preware , I'm getting an app limit. what did I do wrong now? Nov 20 02:16:31 8gb is small enough that bumping /var up from 256mb to 1gb would have a noticeable impact on /media Nov 20 02:17:10 had they used 32gb, then they could give 2gb to /var no problems! Nov 20 02:17:41 rick-wirc: EPR for your friend Nov 20 02:17:49 they should have made room for a microsd. that would solve it Nov 20 02:18:09 rwhitby, we will try it again Nov 20 02:18:18 rick-wirc: dunno about app limit - I'm adding a switch to turn of fair-dinkum in preware Nov 20 02:18:33 rick-wirc: do you have a patched ipkg? Nov 20 02:18:58 so. on o.9.8 it ought to work? Nov 20 02:19:16 rick-wirc: depend on ipkgservice version Nov 20 02:19:53 how do I tab complete on wirc? it was orange+@ I thought Nov 20 02:20:41 rwhitby 0919 Nov 20 02:20:44 sym-i Nov 20 02:20:48 oh Nov 20 02:20:52 thats terminal Nov 20 02:20:52 nm Nov 20 02:21:12 orange . Nov 20 02:21:28 rick-wirc: should work Nov 20 02:22:24 rick-wirc: doesn't seem to work Nov 20 02:22:46 uh not oh 0.9.17 Nov 20 02:39:45 oil: ping Nov 20 02:39:56 hey quick question I'm in putty right now in my phone and mpt d userial is no working :( Nov 20 02:40:04 it just goes down a line and nothing happens Nov 20 02:41:05 sk1tt1sh: what are you expecting to happen Nov 20 02:42:49 rwhitby, how close are we to ipkg service being able to update itself? Nov 20 02:43:03 rick-wirc: has done since 0.9 Nov 20 02:43:21 rick-wirc: preware updates everything properly now Nov 20 02:43:44 Im expecting qxdm to see the phone :p Nov 20 02:44:35 uh. ok. where was I ? Nov 20 02:44:50 rwhN Nov 20 02:44:55 N Nov 20 02:45:34 rwhitby? Nov 20 02:45:48 bbl Nov 20 02:46:05 oil: so I've added a new button for enabling and disabling the ipkg wrapper. Nov 20 02:46:17 oil: and I'll add a new bit in the ipkgservice model stuff Nov 20 02:46:28 button? Nov 20 02:46:33 oil: where is the best place to actually call the service methods Nov 20 02:46:41 oil: toggle, just under fix Unknown Nov 20 02:47:05 in the propertyChanged event Nov 20 02:47:41 oil: and if I want to originally set it's value based on calling a service method, where do I put that? Nov 20 02:48:08 the scenes setup function Nov 20 02:49:06 * rwhitby thinks oil is much better than some webOS Programming book .... Nov 20 02:53:25 rwhitby: ping Nov 20 02:53:35 dBsooner: syn|ack Nov 20 02:53:43 What did you think of my email? Nov 20 02:53:50 I just ran the Dr to get a fresh start and noticed something weird.... I still have 5 pages in the launcher Nov 20 02:54:20 did the palm profile back up do this? Nov 20 02:54:24 hey dbsooner Nov 20 02:54:42 sslow: yep Nov 20 02:54:43 hey hckyplayer024, sorry I'm so late it gettin home Nov 20 02:54:49 no worries Nov 20 02:55:00 nothing to be sorry about Nov 20 02:55:13 So, whatcha got? Nov 20 02:55:18 rwitby: i never noticed this before is this new to 1.3.1? Nov 20 02:55:19 ~define anathema Nov 20 02:55:21 Use ~dict for definitions. Nov 20 02:55:26 ~dict anathema Nov 20 02:55:31 Dictionary 'anathema' (1 of 5): \A*nath"e*ma\, n.; pl. {Anathemas}. [L. anath[e^]ma, fr. Gr. ? anything devoted, esp. to evil, a curse; also L. anath[=e]ma, fr. Gr. ? a votive offering; all fr. ? to set up as a votive gift, dedicate; ? up + ? to set. See {Thesis}.] 1. A ban or curse pronounced with religious solemnity by ecclesiastical authority, and accompanied by excommunication. Hence: Denunciation of anything as accursed. [1913 Webster] [They] ... Nov 20 02:55:47 I ended up fixing everything myself but I just cant install the universal search command line patch now Nov 20 02:56:01 Also anyone know how to get contacts from Palm Desktop to the Pre? When the transfer assistant says, "No compatible application installed. You can only use Palm Desktop or Microsoft Outlook" Nov 20 02:56:09 it gives me an error patching /usr/lib/luna/system/luna-applauncher/app/views/launcher/launcher-scene.html Nov 20 02:56:28 hckyplayer024: USCL makes mods to a ton of files Nov 20 02:56:33 and ive tried putting a fresh copy of the file from webos doctor to no avail Nov 20 02:56:46 hckyplayer024: I bet one of the patches you have installed is conflicting Nov 20 02:56:48 interesting Nov 20 02:56:57 let me look at the patch again.. Nov 20 02:57:11 * rwhitby just realised he doesn't need a cookie for something who's status is read from the service Nov 20 02:57:22 yeah but the only file that is giving me a problem is that one Nov 20 02:57:27 from the log Nov 20 02:57:35 hckyplayer024: ok.. Nov 20 02:59:00 My cousin got a Pre today and he can't get his contacts to transfer from Palm desktop... Nov 20 02:59:29 when egaudet was helping me out he told me to do this : md5sum -c usr/lib/ipkg/info/luna-applauncher.md5sums Nov 20 02:59:29 dBsooner, did he use the migration tool? :P Nov 20 02:59:43 and I got 3 errors Nov 20 02:59:49 zsoc: I just said; "When the transfer assistant says, "No compatible application installed. You can only use Palm Desktop or Microsoft Outlook"" Nov 20 02:59:58 hckyplayer024, what does the ipkg log say Nov 20 03:00:02 when you try to install the patch Nov 20 03:00:05 dBsooner, sorry, i'll go back to shutting up **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Nov 20 03:00:07 2009