**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Nov 20 03:00:07 2009 Nov 20 03:00:08 I replaced all the files and they messed up some other patches so I did the EPR and reinstalled everything Nov 20 03:00:13 zsoc: any ideas? :D Nov 20 03:00:18 and now I have those errors again Nov 20 03:00:50 ok then it's not a problem Nov 20 03:00:52 it's a conflicting patch Nov 20 03:01:13 uninstall all your patches and try to install uscl Nov 20 03:01:18 okay Nov 20 03:01:29 NOTE: whatever patch you have installed that is conflicting will not be able to install Nov 20 03:01:35 you have to choose one or the other Nov 20 03:01:38 dBsooner, well obviously it doesn't think his palm desktop is installed. he should open up, back up all his stuff.. externally... export.. to multiple locations.. and then reinstall/re-import Nov 20 03:01:50 notify the patch devs and see if they can change things to be compatible Nov 20 03:02:25 yeah I figured... but I didnt add any new patches other than the ones I had in 1.2.1 and everything was compatible then Nov 20 03:02:37 I'm running EPR now and Ill let you know what happens Nov 20 03:10:53 still a problem Nov 20 03:10:57 with no patches installed Nov 20 03:11:47 Patching file /usr/lib/luna/system/luna-applauncher/app/views/launcher/launcher-scene.html Nov 20 03:11:55 hunt #1 FAILED at 10 Nov 20 03:11:59 hunk* Nov 20 03:12:21 oil: in the onFoo function where I parse the payload coming back from the service, how do I then get it to set the toggle accordingly? Nov 20 03:12:56 hckyplayer024: applied any tweaks via wosqi or manually? Nov 20 03:13:03 none Nov 20 03:14:07 ahahahhaa, i just found this again: http://img695.imageshack.us/i/motivator53a72f90229c4c.jpg/ Nov 20 03:15:17 lol Nov 20 03:16:20 who was that? Nov 20 03:16:24 i can't remember now who did that Nov 20 03:16:25 does ERP take off patches installed with wosqi as well? just curious Nov 20 03:16:30 Hrm, 1.3.1 update, the Preware app seems to be unable to install patches, because it _appears_ to be trying to get the 1.2.1 package versions from the 1.3.1 directory. Nov 20 03:16:49 hckyplayer024: patches yes, tweaks (that aren't patches rebadged) no. Nov 20 03:16:58 Mercury: update your feeds Nov 20 03:17:03 I see Nov 20 03:17:05 The Packages file at http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-patches/1.3.1/Packages is accurate, but it definitely lists a different version then what the error message says it's trying to download. Nov 20 03:17:09 rwhitby: How? Nov 20 03:17:19 Mercury: the menu button that says "Update Feeds" Nov 20 03:18:44 rwhitby: That's embarrassingly obvious. Nov 20 03:19:22 rwhitby: I thought it was doing that every time it started the preware app. Nov 20 03:20:04 rwhitby: Except, same problem. Nov 20 03:20:25 can I have a root console on the pre? Nov 20 03:20:33 that would be neat Nov 20 03:20:53 I have the change log from 1.3.1-1 of the virtual keyboard patch, but it states the version as 1.2.1-4, and indeed, tries to download that version from the 1.3.1 directory. Nov 20 03:20:58 This breaks. Nov 20 03:22:08 Mercury: do you have a network connection when updating? Nov 20 03:22:30 rwhitby: I should, but let me power cycle the phone to verify. Nov 20 03:28:43 egaudet and dbsooner, it didnt help doing EPR as I still have this problem with no patches installed Nov 20 03:29:18 I downloaded the patches from git and I'll try to do everything with WOSQI and tell you if it works I guess Nov 20 03:33:36 preware Nov 20 03:35:11 I have a question about the qualcomm diag drivers... there are 3 .inf files, and 2.sys files, which ones do I use? lol Nov 20 03:36:00 that advanced phone menu patch gives me an ipkg error when installing..anyone else with issues? Nov 20 03:36:17 Smubeht: did you remove all the other phone menu patches first? Nov 20 03:36:43 gps and brightness are in there Nov 20 03:36:47 not compatible? Nov 20 03:36:53 if i install one t he other 2 dont work? Nov 20 03:36:58 dunno, but that's where I'd look first Nov 20 03:37:06 k Nov 20 03:37:13 will try to remove the other 2 install this then tohe others Nov 20 03:39:24 yeah its a nogo with WOSQI as well Nov 20 03:39:57 I'm going to wait until that backup app is out and then I'll just doctor my phone Nov 20 03:40:35 rwhitby: removing GPS in device menu, and removing brightness in device menu, installing advanced phone menu, reinstalling the other 2 seemed to work Nov 20 03:40:53 thanks Nov 20 03:41:08 Smubeht: can you confirm that the other order still doesn't work? Nov 20 03:41:28 what do u mean? Nov 20 03:41:40 how would u propose i do that Nov 20 03:41:42 remove advanced phone menu Nov 20 03:41:45 and try to reinstall? Nov 20 03:42:00 Smubeht: remove all three, reinstall gps and brightness, and see if advanced still fails Nov 20 03:42:13 k Nov 20 03:42:27 remove all 3, restart luna, then install them? Nov 20 03:42:28 or what Nov 20 03:42:39 doesn't matter about luna Nov 20 03:42:40 k Nov 20 03:42:41 k Nov 20 03:43:06 ok Nov 20 03:43:15 removing advanced phone menu throws an error Nov 20 03:43:42 removed brightness Nov 20 03:43:45 will try to remove advanced again Nov 20 03:43:55 fail Nov 20 03:44:33 i can confirm Nov 20 03:44:42 that we cannot remove that patch without first removing the other 2 Nov 20 03:44:50 it removed upon the other 2 being removed first Nov 20 03:46:15 Smubeht: ok, so there is a subtle dependency there. Nov 20 03:46:28 confirmed rwhitby ..installing it 3rd screws it up Nov 20 03:46:41 so yeah there def is something Nov 20 03:56:42 rwhitby: what does this mean? sh: Syntax error: Bad fd number Nov 20 03:56:57 trying to make dropbear Nov 20 03:57:18 dBsooner: no idea. do you have /bin/sh set to bash? Nov 20 03:57:28 ahh.. I bet thats it Nov 20 03:58:05 sudo mv /bin/sh /bin/sh.bak && sudo ln -s /bin/bash /bin/sh Nov 20 03:58:17 dBsooner: dpkg-reconfigure dash Nov 20 04:00:07 same error.. hmm Nov 20 04:00:23 it has something to do with the ipkg-unbuild toolchain Nov 20 04:07:54 rwhitby: found the problem Nov 20 04:07:56 but don't know why Nov 20 04:08:59 rwhitby: in toolchain/ipkg-utils/ipkg-unbuild Nov 20 04:09:39 rwhitby: had to change Line 33 to: os.system('cd %s; tar zxf ../%s > /dev/null 2>&1' % (pkg, filename)) Nov 20 04:10:51 dBsooner: what's your $SHELL set to? Nov 20 04:11:15 . /bin/bash Nov 20 04:11:40 - the "." I have to put that to be bale to start with a / in this IRC client. Nov 20 04:14:29 rwhitby: Well I thought that fixed it. it builds now.. but I get all these wierd [: 164: Linux: unexepcted operator Nov 20 04:14:39 everytime it downloads an ipk Nov 20 04:15:04 dBsooner: you've got some larger problem then Nov 20 04:15:52 oh well. As long as it builds the build.git, I don't care. :D Nov 20 04:16:13 What did you think of my email? And how was your conference call? Nov 20 04:22:25 pushing a fix for USCL being incompatible with KeyToss Nov 20 04:31:44 Hi, are there any good tutorials for writing Java based services for webos? Nov 20 04:33:23 thebitguru: source code on git.webos-internals.org is all there is Nov 20 04:34:14 rwhitby: interesting, thanks Nov 20 04:37:22 thebitguru, there's _some_ info in the wiki i thing Nov 20 04:37:29 s/thing/think Nov 20 04:37:47 zsoc: yeah, and that seems to point to that same url :) Nov 20 04:38:11 heh, not surprising. Nov 20 04:43:27 I just noticed. But I really like orange juice. Nov 20 04:47:13 dBsooner, ping Nov 20 04:47:22 samkim: yes? Nov 20 04:47:41 Is there a way of having a patch ignore missing files? Nov 20 04:48:08 In what way? Nov 20 04:48:11 The KeyToss patch modifies a lot of language files... It seems that a few people are missing them Nov 20 04:48:19 interesting Nov 20 04:48:20 and the patch fails to install Nov 20 04:48:31 I wonder why people are missing them? Nov 20 04:48:43 all webos 1.3.1 releases SHOULD be the same.. Nov 20 04:48:51 Not sure... but I notice that while my Pre has them, webOS Doctor doesn't. Nov 20 04:49:00 Interesting. Nov 20 04:49:19 webOS Doctor has just es_us, at least for me Nov 20 04:49:19 so basically skip it if its not there.. Nov 20 04:49:37 I don't think there is a way to do that.. egaudet? Nov 20 04:50:02 yeah, I want to skip it, but I just spent a while googling for patch help w no luck Nov 20 04:50:38 Hmm.. I really don't think there is a way. Nov 20 04:50:43 I also looked at the postinst script, and I see it might be possible to write something very complex, but it'd be easier with a flag Nov 20 04:51:10 Then I think you would be getting into the world of an App, isntead of a patch. Nov 20 04:51:18 Yeah... Nov 20 04:51:22 As robust as KeyToss is, it's almost an App. Nov 20 04:51:49 well, it needs to modify existing files... and a normal app can't do that... Nov 20 04:52:28 The code for it sits inside the universal search and browser apps Nov 20 04:53:46 Would it be okay if I tried to write a custom postinst script? Nov 20 04:56:24 Sure.. But, we would need to discuss it with Rod and Eric as far as if it would still be able to be included in the patches feed or if we would need to move it to a new feed area. As I don't know if a custom postinst would keep it APT compatible. Nov 20 04:56:39 But I am sure we can work something out. Nov 20 04:57:11 ok thx. Nov 20 04:57:53 One way would be to make separate patches for the languages, which depend upon a common patch for the common files, and add dependencies between them. Nov 20 04:58:05 Then you just install the patch that corresponds to the language you are using. Nov 20 04:58:07 good idea rwhitby Nov 20 05:02:35 Yeah, I was hoping to avoid having to have a dozen different patches. Essentially the change to the localization file does two things: identifies the user's language and country, so that I could direct the search to the right version of google; and adds a different subdomain, so that I have the option of setting up a server in europe if necessary. Maybe I'll try to programmatically address that with javascript... Nov 20 05:09:57 I would rather see discrepencies between 1.3.1 version files handled by packages than custom postinst Nov 20 05:11:06 ok, no prob, I think I can do it in javascript. Nov 20 05:11:30 samkim, can you give me an example of the issue you face? Nov 20 05:12:39 I modify many localization files to change the urls... identifying the user's language and country, and changing the subdomain Nov 20 05:12:58 a couple people are missing the localization files for european countries Nov 20 05:13:03 and so the patch fails Nov 20 05:13:12 for instance which localizations? Nov 20 05:13:41 one person posting in the thread is missing all of the localization files except for es_us Nov 20 05:13:58 so all of europe Nov 20 05:14:18 I looked at webos doctor, and it's also missing them Nov 20 05:17:01 heh interesting Nov 20 05:17:36 wonder when they get installed Nov 20 05:18:24 well, i doctored with 1.2.1 and then upgraded to 1.3.1, and I have them Nov 20 05:19:14 but again, i think i can manage to skip the localization files with a little code in javascript Nov 20 05:19:26 right, I wonder if it's solely part of the update process Nov 20 05:20:23 perhaps Nov 20 05:20:52 i'm not even certain that the reason these guys are missing the files is due to webos doctor. it's just a guess. Nov 20 05:23:23 most likely Nov 20 05:23:28 I have the localizations on my pre as wel Nov 20 05:34:23 egaudet what does ErrorGenericMethodException: Failure mean when trying to install epr? Nov 20 05:35:29 egaudet: ???? Nov 20 05:36:15 oil? Nov 20 05:36:33 rwhitby: ?? Nov 20 05:38:15 egaudet, oil rwhitby what might ErrorGenericMethodException: Failure mean when attempting to install epr ??? Nov 20 05:40:06 rboatright: updated feeds? Nov 20 05:40:19 rboatright: anything else in the IPKG Log menu item? Nov 20 05:41:35 ok, I'll ask. He isn't on IRC and I'm emailing back and forth which is a horrid way to do tech support Nov 20 05:42:10 rboatright, when installing EPR if you get an error it means there is nothing in patch control area Nov 20 05:42:28 but all the patches show as installed,... Nov 20 05:42:42 the 6 or so he forgot to uninstall before 131 ran Nov 20 05:42:49 and he can't install them. Nov 20 05:42:55 cause they show as installed Nov 20 05:43:33 either A) he's installed EPR before and is now trying to run it again which doesn't work Nov 20 05:44:00 or B) maybe he's getting mount error, a reboot should fix Nov 20 05:44:11 need the stdout from ipkg log to know Nov 20 05:44:39 "No patches found!" means patch control dir is gone, which probably means a run of EPR before and no patches installed since last EPR run Nov 20 05:48:29 I had the problem he's describing... but I've forgot how I fixed it. Nov 20 06:52:00 ~seen rwhitby Nov 20 06:52:01 rwhitby is currently on #webos-internals (4d 12h 49m 24s) #nslu2-linux (4d 12h 49m 24s). Has said a total of 894 messages. Is idling for 1h 11m 41s, last said: 'rboatright: anything else in the IPKG Log menu item?'. Nov 20 07:11:36 Apparently, upgrading to 1.3.1 is now out of my hands. Nov 20 07:14:31 why nite Nov 20 07:14:53 Just that it's now been pushed to my phone. Nov 20 07:15:02 I suppose I could downgrade if I need to. Nov 20 07:15:23 Though, I have quite a bit more reading to do before I'll feel comfortable hacking around on my Pre. Nov 20 07:15:46 nite: if you have patches installed run EPR Nov 20 07:15:49 in preware Nov 20 08:11:30 OK Nov 20 08:11:31 TERRIFIC Nov 20 08:11:44 had an idea Nov 20 08:12:02 post-addcontact Nov 20 08:20:17 hi friends Nov 20 08:22:23 hi Nov 20 08:24:36 is it just me or is the log off a day Nov 20 08:24:51 i click on nov 19 i get 18th log Nov 20 08:25:05 i click on 20 and get 19' log... is that normal? Nov 20 08:38:40 what is a dcc chat? Nov 20 11:37:13 oil: you around? Nov 20 13:28:44 anyone around for a little help with ssh into my Pre ? Nov 20 13:37:38 anyone ? Nov 20 13:39:23 hey alphaone can you give me a hand ? Nov 20 13:40:17 Ghost-7: Up to two hands are available :-) Nov 20 13:40:23 What's your problem Nov 20 13:40:24 ? Nov 20 13:40:55 ssh into my phone Nov 20 13:45:21 Ghost-7: What have you done until now? Nov 20 13:46:19 Ghost-7: Did you follow the procedure at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Accessing_Linux Nov 20 13:46:20 ? Nov 20 13:46:43 I have installed the bootstrapt ect.... Nov 20 13:48:05 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Next_steps That should also be of interest Nov 20 13:48:10 bootstrap ect? Nov 20 14:33:14 Hi, I am looking into writing a Wake-on-Lan client for webos. Can someone give me some guidance as to the backend piece? Do I have to write a dbus "service" that sends the WOL packet based on a UI app's instruction? What are the suggested options for language choice for the backend? Nov 20 14:33:16 * fargo dances o// Nov 20 14:33:16 * fargo dances \\o Nov 20 14:33:17 * fargo DANCES \o/ Nov 20 14:33:56 fargo: what's the occasion? Nov 20 14:33:56 thebitguru: 42! Nov 20 14:34:38 fargo: 42? Nov 20 14:34:38 thebitguru: Looking good Nov 20 14:40:06 mornin' kids Nov 20 14:47:14 kids? Nov 20 14:47:35 i'm sure there are some kids here somewhere Nov 20 14:47:54 baby goats can be coders too! Nov 20 14:48:05 True. Nov 20 14:48:44 Okay, how about ... Nov 20 14:49:00 mornin' ladies and gentlemen Nov 20 14:49:18 mornin' everyone Nov 20 14:49:20 thanks for having a high opinion of us Nov 20 14:50:07 mikewx: I don't have any opinions of you (collectively, or of you individually) -- altough I'm beginning to suspect you're sensitive about issues of age Nov 20 14:50:39 actualyl i'm just ornery and somewhat bored Nov 20 14:50:52 mikewx: as a matter of fact, saying "mornin' kids" is very much a reflection of the fact that I feel like an old man ... and very little else. Nov 20 14:51:15 (not that I feel like very little else, just that it doesn't really mean anything more than that) Nov 20 14:52:01 mikewx: if you're bored, I'll suggest a dicsssion topic: List comprehension in Python is neither comprehensive nor are lists essential. Discuss. Nov 20 14:53:23 i only do oldschool c :) Nov 20 14:53:32 and back then we had to code our own list classes Nov 20 14:54:01 on punch cards, with stone punches Nov 20 14:54:28 the cards were made of vellum Nov 20 15:23:49 * Templarian lols his application doesn't even function and it has 610 downloads and a 4.5 rating. Nov 20 15:29:21 I cant start my emulator anymore (or at least the Pre size one) I have reinstalled but no go it says another instance is already running. Any ideas Nov 20 15:32:00 can any1 see me Nov 20 15:32:34 no Nov 20 15:40:45 is there an internals service to run a command? Nov 20 15:41:28 Templarian: what is your app? the wow thing? Nov 20 15:44:28 any preware guys on? Nov 20 15:44:48 the 'partial app limit' fix in new version doesn't always stick when changing Nov 20 15:48:09 gkatsev: yea. Nov 20 15:48:52 thebitguru: by command you mean command line? Nov 20 15:49:22 (if so it's called Terminal) Nov 20 15:49:30 Templarian: I just saw this thread http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/212309-running-bash-sh-scripts-webos-app.html which answers my question Nov 20 15:49:41 no, I meant through a webos app Nov 20 15:50:20 Templarian: do you use eclipse for development? Nov 20 15:50:46 thebitguru: if you only knew how funny that question was. Nov 20 15:50:49 But no, everyone here uses Komodo. Nov 20 15:51:06 :) Nov 20 15:51:38 thebitguru: http://webos.templarian.com/komodo/ you might want to do if you are not already. Nov 20 15:52:36 s/to do/to too/ Nov 20 15:52:36 that's what I was looking for :) thanks. Checking it out now Nov 20 15:52:38 Templarian meant: thebitguru: http://webos.templarian.com/komodo/ you might want to too if you are not already. Nov 20 15:52:57 ~botsnack Nov 20 15:52:57 Templarian: aw, gee Nov 20 15:53:05 hehe Nov 20 15:56:04 * oil uses eclips Nov 20 15:56:17 :P Nov 20 15:56:22 I like alligtor clips Nov 20 15:58:57 oil: and you are what we call a outlier. Nov 20 16:01:01 heh, Komodo keeps crashing on startup Nov 20 16:01:24 completely uninstall komodo and re-install it Nov 20 16:01:36 the add on is completely stable, something else is borked Nov 20 16:05:23 Rick_work: http://pastie.org/707728 Sexy right? Nov 20 16:07:13 Rick_work: OK, uninstalling all versions. Apparently I had an older one installed :) Nov 20 16:09:01 Templarian totally Nov 20 16:09:23 thebitguru sorry about that sir, but it does work. Nov 20 16:13:02 * nt4cats got all excited when Templarian posted a sexy URL. I looked at it -- and, while I'm not being judgemental or anything, I'm just not that into it. Nov 20 16:14:19 nt4cats: I concur Nov 20 16:14:22 lol. Expecting that ascii art. lol. Nov 20 16:14:22 yeah, its sexy but not in the usual sense of the word Nov 20 16:15:14 Templarian I presume this is a fully functional Pre Scene which operates with your framework but depends on NO CALLS to the mojo framework... Nov 20 16:16:25 Rick_work: Correct. It's makes organization a breeze. Nov 20 16:16:43 (this wow app has a lot of scenes and looks so organized) Nov 20 16:17:21 does the wow app actually work now? :) Nov 20 16:17:34 It did, I'm just restructuring it. Nov 20 16:17:47 wwow? Nov 20 16:18:05 World of Warcraft (and no I don't play it, anymore). Nov 20 16:18:12 oh Nov 20 16:18:12 s/craft/crack/ Nov 20 16:18:18 Now, here's a sexy URL: http://webos.pastebin.com/d48b44426 Nov 20 16:18:49 nt4cats: your sick Nov 20 16:18:58 thinkin ASCII art is sexy Nov 20 16:19:05 * dBsooner-work can't imagine computers like that Nov 20 16:19:13 yo guys are so 802 Nov 20 16:19:15 80s Nov 20 16:19:36 seems average age of Pre developers are twice that of other phones Nov 20 16:19:42 80's!!! I resent that. Nov 20 16:19:54 My ascii art collection dates from the 70's I'll have you know. Nov 20 16:19:54 im only 20! Nov 20 16:20:01 :) Nov 20 16:20:53 egaudet_work: ping! Nov 20 16:21:00 I fondly remember using the big flatbed plotter at the KU computing center with a lamp, lense and photocell, and scanning a photo of Gina Lolabrigida, Nov 20 16:21:17 and running a program on the big Honeywell mainframe in Fortran to translate brightness data Nov 20 16:21:40 into cell depth, and programming the line printer to overstrike until we got a similar reading. Nov 20 16:21:44 i though i was old :) Nov 20 16:21:51 * nt4cats 's first ascii porn was in 1980 ... ahh, the memories ... Nov 20 16:21:52 we printed Gina on 15 inch paper, life size...... Nov 20 16:22:05 this would have been, oh, 1973. Nov 20 16:22:10 dBsooner-work ping Nov 20 16:22:11 pong Nov 20 16:22:15 lol Nov 20 16:22:26 egaudet_work: How the heck do we keep CRLF's in a patch file? Nov 20 16:22:39 everytime I try to stage it and commit it, git tells me it will overwrite them Nov 20 16:23:55 uhh we can try to use -l option of patch in APT Nov 20 16:24:13 that's the problem with the USCL patch Nov 20 16:24:21 It applies cleanly as I receive it in the .patch Nov 20 16:24:27 but when I push it to git, git strips the CRLF Nov 20 16:24:32 and makes them LF's Nov 20 16:24:47 which breaks the .patch Nov 20 16:24:54 Well tell Palm to stop using dos mode too! Nov 20 16:25:05 lol Nov 20 16:25:08 haha Nov 20 16:25:43 Good luck with that. Nov 20 16:26:00 egaudet_work: It's in your inbox.. try to commit the USCL .patch Nov 20 16:26:11 s/commit/push/ Nov 20 16:26:11 dBsooner-work meant: egaudet_work: It's in your inbox.. try to push the USCL .patch Nov 20 16:41:23 dbsooner-work: I don't know git -- but subversion lets you tag a file as binary so that it won't try and do cr/lf-munging Nov 20 16:50:55 has anyone mentioned creating a webOS app that displays the information contained in "top" such as current cpu/memory usage? Nov 20 16:51:08 dBsooner-work: &nybody else having problems with open to call log Nov 20 16:51:25 patch Nov 20 16:51:32 WillJitsu: install the terminal app and run 'top' Nov 20 16:51:33 :) Nov 20 16:52:22 When you run the optware bootstrap via PreWare -- does it create a local user for you? does it prompt you for the name to use? Nov 20 16:52:57 nt4cats: yeah that's what I've been doing. I was curious if someone was creating a more elegant solution. that should be fairly simple to do shouldn't it? Nov 20 16:53:10 sslow: yes Nov 20 16:53:10 WillJitsu: get coding, then! Nov 20 16:53:13 sslow: It's how they call it Nov 20 16:53:24 sslow: I don't know how to fix it, because I don't know java that well Nov 20 16:53:44 * nt4cats knows Java quite well -- not much about JS, though. Nov 20 16:53:48 (or git) Nov 20 16:54:03 nt4cats: trust me... I would if I had the first clue how to code :-) Nov 20 16:55:24 the phone app in 1.3.1 will open to call log on its own if you used the call log last but not if you used the dialer last Nov 20 16:59:09 sslow: I know Nov 20 16:59:15 sslow: But I don't know how to force it Nov 20 16:59:30 sslow: I will see if egaudet_work will look at it Nov 20 16:59:38 The optware-boostrap via PreWare app has a mainainer of "webos-internals". I'm not sure who to contact with a question Nov 20 16:59:52 any of us really. Nov 20 17:00:06 but if you actually read the .sh Nov 20 17:00:06 When you run the optware bootstrap via PreWare -- does it create a local user for you? does it prompt you for the name to use? Nov 20 17:00:13 the first lines tell you who made it Nov 20 17:00:23 dBsooner-work: thanks Nov 20 17:00:25 That I do not know. Nov 20 17:00:56 I'm looking at the .sh -- but I wasn't sure if the PreWare app is running the same exact thing as the .sh found on the Wiki page Nov 20 17:01:08 The .sh (if you run it from the command-line) prompts you for a username. Nov 20 17:01:37 * nt4cats will be right back -- quick meeting Nov 20 17:09:00 JackieRipper ping Nov 20 17:13:26 Eguy, oil, gkatsev, Rick_work, egaudet_work: guys go update the wow app if you want to see the custom application menu (egaudet since you helped me figure it out). Nov 20 17:20:56 * oilsworkn would be interested to know if palm would accept such an application Nov 20 17:23:18 oilsworkn: don't see why they wouldn't it can pass everything on the checklist. Nov 20 17:26:46 i don't think reviewers actually look at any code, but they would probably see that menu and certainly ask wtf Nov 20 17:27:16 Yea... it should be interesting to say the least. Nov 20 17:28:01 you plan to submit it? Nov 20 17:28:01 Application status set to "wtf?" Nov 20 17:28:21 Oh yes. I want to see just how open Palm's submission process is. Nov 20 17:28:52 Preware popup Nov 20 17:29:00 oilsworkn: I don't think they look at code, either Nov 20 17:29:04 "pkg-list Exception: TypeError: Object false has no method 'toLowerCase'" Nov 20 17:29:12 when tapping list of everything Nov 20 17:30:03 well, yeah, false is already lowercase :D Nov 20 17:30:10 egaudet_work: that sounds broken Nov 20 17:30:35 you should fix it xD Nov 20 17:31:02 Templarian, looks awesome! Nov 20 17:31:32 yea it might take me a week to learn the Preware mojo Nov 20 17:31:36 * oilsworkn doesn't get any message Nov 20 17:31:42 :p Nov 20 17:31:49 egaudet_work: ots a lot like wirx Nov 20 17:31:52 wirc* Nov 20 17:31:55 its* Nov 20 17:32:01 wow, that whole sentence was messed Nov 20 17:32:04 lol Nov 20 17:32:14 tjst Nov 20 17:32:54 * egaudet_work can live with my LOE being broken for now, I'll track it down later Nov 20 17:32:55 Thanks. Now to get coding and restore all functionality. Nov 20 17:33:14 one thingt about it Nov 20 17:33:19 the back gesture seems backwareds Nov 20 17:33:44 i swipe left, and the content moves right Nov 20 17:33:48 oilsworkn: that's because it's opposite day Nov 20 17:33:51 this app is so snappy Nov 20 17:33:51 maybe its just me Nov 20 17:34:18 oilsworkn: I'd rather not worry about that I plan to replace it with a book page turn effect shortly. Nov 20 17:34:29 seriously though Nov 20 17:34:38 palm is going to ask you to remove the back button Nov 20 17:34:39 yea oil is right, it's backwards! Nov 20 17:34:40 thats a given Nov 20 17:34:42 inverted Nov 20 17:34:58 "it passes all the checklist junk" Nov 20 17:35:03 fail Nov 20 17:35:06 im pretty sure it says no back buttons Nov 20 17:35:30 what about a "forward twice and back thrice" button :P Nov 20 17:35:32 Oh yea, I just didn't remove them back before I had back gestures. Nov 20 17:37:05 * Templarian switched around the animations. Nov 20 17:37:14 while the menu style/etc looks nice for the wow app Nov 20 17:37:23 i prefer palms styles for most apps Nov 20 17:37:55 maybe thats just me, im still using the default "theme" on my pre Nov 20 17:37:56 Yea, I figured if I had to code it in I should as well style it to match. Nov 20 17:38:18 yeah, it makes perfect sense for the wow app Nov 20 17:40:59 You guys were right about the transition. Nov 20 17:42:23 yea well the palm menu app styles works for mojo apps Nov 20 17:42:32 but that's because it's within all the other mojo styles Nov 20 17:43:00 any other app that would venture off into custom or different frameworks liek Templarian has done will benefit from custom app menu looks to match the app Nov 20 17:44:08 Isn't the app menu able to be styled in the mojo apps? Nov 20 17:45:25 * oilsworkn has never tried to style menu Nov 20 17:48:29 You can probably do it in a round-about way by overwriting palm css for it, but I think it's meant to be a standard look thing in the framework Nov 20 17:49:39 just like edit and help items Nov 20 17:49:43 /sigh Nov 20 17:52:30 I like palms style and UI, I think keeping it, but changing the style should be fine. Nov 20 17:56:05 Templarian: looks cool Nov 20 18:03:46 I think I bricked my pre with the meta-doctor Nov 20 18:04:24 or the webos doctor Nov 20 18:04:39 how can you tell if it's restorable? Nov 20 18:05:01 GestaltCore: it always is. You have to remove the battle and hold down something. Nov 20 18:05:18 oh ok Nov 20 18:05:27 Templarian: battle? Nov 20 18:05:30 you mean battery? Nov 20 18:05:35 the problem is its stuck at the palm screen Nov 20 18:05:36 hold volume up Nov 20 18:05:56 even when holding up the volume i think Nov 20 18:06:17 * Templarian really needs to pay attention to what he is typing. Nov 20 18:06:21 hm... checked the wiki? Nov 20 18:06:27 Templarian: too much wow on the brain? Nov 20 18:06:44 Yea, scripting it pretty quickly. Nov 20 18:07:24 Good Noontime Everyone Nov 20 18:07:39 i will check it out Nov 20 18:07:45 "Afternoon" Nov 20 18:08:11 just upset that the patched doctor waited till the end of the process to tell me it couldn't restore Nov 20 18:08:43 hmm Nov 20 18:08:58 did they broke youtube app in 1.3.1? while watching clip luna restarted Nov 20 18:09:10 its cause the doctor is paid by the hour Nov 20 18:09:21 lol Nov 20 18:10:01 i guess if you see palm then that's a good sign its not bricked Nov 20 18:10:43 rwhitby: so the interesting thing is, after the last time you worked with me, I've rebooted my phone several times with orng+sym+R and Preware is still working and not having the Package manger service not running. Nov 20 18:10:44 im always told the pre is un-brickable Nov 20 18:11:39 maybe not. the meta-dr failed and i cant get back into recovery mode, not sure what to do next Nov 20 18:12:03 its probably fine & restorable, just not sure if it is or not Nov 20 18:12:12 (I've never once seen a thread that wasn't solved in the end, so I'm still thinking it's not possible). Nov 20 18:12:59 hi nt4cats Nov 20 18:13:11 'lo Smiley Nov 20 18:13:33 also the pre logo doesn't glow or anything Nov 20 18:13:38 *palm logo Nov 20 18:13:46 nt4cats, preware has been working after several reboots. No real hard power downs tho Nov 20 18:13:50 Smiley: I've been training rwhitby to help with issues on the Pre -- he's almost as good at solving PreWare issues as I am. Go easy on him, though. He's new. Nov 20 18:14:20 * nt4cats|work runs and hides Nov 20 18:15:35 haha Nov 20 18:16:06 hey dave made any new apps lately? Nov 20 18:16:19 Very cool. Well, it seemed when I rebooted that one time, it stopped working until I ran that one comand line from him. After it started working again, I didn't reboot it again for a while. I dl'd Luna manager out of curiosity and ran each of its things...rebooted phone and still no preware issues. Nov 20 18:17:51 Given that most Aussies live on the East coast, I'm going to assume that it is 4am there for him and I still have a few hours to live ... Nov 20 18:18:40 Ah, didn't know where he lived... Nov 20 18:18:45 whats the orange button for? Nov 20 18:20:34 Smiley: According to PreCentral.net -- he lives in Adelaide, Australia. Nov 20 18:20:43 GestaltCore: really? Nov 20 18:21:27 Adelaide is in the southern territory Nov 20 18:21:33 = center of Australia Nov 20 18:21:34 GestaltCore: the orange button works like the "shift" key, but it accesses the symbols/numbers also present on the keyboard Nov 20 18:21:54 dbsooner: yep -- I had the map of Australia up, but didn't think to look on PreCentral for his location until afterwards Nov 20 18:22:20 yeah Nov 20 18:22:31 They're in ACDT now (Australian Central Daylight Time) -- so it is 4:52am there right now) Nov 20 18:22:34 he's down under, geography isn't really needed xD Nov 20 18:23:49 http://www.worldtimezone.com/time-australia.htm Nov 20 18:25:09 he's in one of those places where the time zone is offset from UTC by {x} hours and 30 minutes Nov 20 18:25:35 * dBsooner-work wishes DST would go away! Nov 20 18:27:16 it is 4:55a in Adelaide, 4:25a in Brisbane, and 3:55a in Darwin, 3 and 2:25 in Perth ... and Eucla seems to be (no I'm not kidding) 45 minutes later than Perth. Nov 20 18:29:35 :15 timezones Nov 20 18:29:44 crazy australians Nov 20 18:42:53 does webos repair utility work for anyone with a mac? Nov 20 18:42:54 hi Nov 20 18:44:25 I had some trouble when using meta-doc, transferred to windows and works fine, so I don't know Nov 20 18:45:26 okay well I think my mac is having trouble un taring the file Nov 20 18:45:31 so I need to do it though terminal Nov 20 18:45:54 do you know how the untarred webos file should be in the folder with webosrepairutility.jar Nov 20 18:48:35 like should all the directories be in a folder called webos or what Nov 20 18:49:51 you don't 'un-tar' anything Nov 20 18:50:01 just put the doctor in the same folder Nov 20 18:57:29 A2NY1: he's gone. Nov 20 19:01:03 does everyone just remove icons for nfl/nascar/etc? or do somepeople actually remove them? Nov 20 19:01:40 * oilsworkn just puts them on the last page and ignores them Nov 20 19:04:57 ipkg list_installed | grep handson Nov 20 19:05:43 ipkg remove com.handson.app.* Nov 20 19:07:40 ipkg remove *mobitv* #for sprint mobile tv Nov 20 19:09:14 ipkg remove com.palm.app.sprintportal #sprint page launcher Nov 20 19:09:41 ipkg remove *amazon* Nov 20 19:18:19 is anyone aware of what com.palm.app.odd is ? Nov 20 19:19:56 its odd Nov 20 19:22:25 com.palm.app.even ;) Nov 20 19:46:42 Hi, how do I put a file into the root of the pre's drive? Nov 20 19:47:47 Hello? I need the assistance fast, please Nov 20 19:47:48 what do you mean? Nov 20 19:47:58 Nevermind. Nov 20 19:48:04 easy turbo, we all work.. It takes a minute to get back to you. Nov 20 19:48:16 you mean on /media/internal? Nov 20 19:48:17 I know, I just realized I was doing the wrong thing. Nov 20 19:48:17 or /? Nov 20 19:48:27 th term "drive" is a very loose term Nov 20 19:48:45 I know, I was doing it wrong. Nov 20 19:48:49 ok Nov 20 19:50:08 Anyone know of a free tethering application? Nov 20 19:50:30 like PuffTheMagics freeTether? Nov 20 19:50:44 Where can I get it?? Nov 20 19:50:51 you mean oilsworkn's FreeTether? Nov 20 19:51:02 * oilsworkn is only makin teh gui Nov 20 19:51:05 Manifest: its not out yet Nov 20 19:51:08 duh Nov 20 19:51:14 and that's all people see Nov 20 19:51:21 lol Nov 20 19:51:22 just like Jason made WOSQI Nov 20 19:51:28 so he get all the credit for the patching system Nov 20 19:51:35 I need a tethering application. Nov 20 19:51:36 * egaudet_work don't care about people Nov 20 19:51:38 Where can I get one? Nov 20 19:51:45 make one Nov 20 19:51:50 pay for one Nov 20 19:51:54 oilsworkn: Hahaha. Nov 20 19:51:55 myTether is there though.. Nov 20 19:52:04 dBsooner-work: Yeah..need it before 3PM EDT Nov 20 19:52:15 i thought hte pay one worked in 131? Nov 20 19:52:17 wow.. you are awfully demanding today Nov 20 19:52:28 why the procrastination? Nov 20 19:52:49 dBsooner-work: Yeah, we're leaving on a trip in 10 minutes, and I'm not sitting in a car for ~4 hours without an internet connection Nov 20 19:52:55 dBsooner-work: I don't even know how to make one :\ Nov 20 19:53:06 lol Nov 20 19:53:09 you wouldn't be able to before 3pm anyways Nov 20 19:53:09 buy myTether Nov 20 19:53:13 it's your only option Nov 20 19:53:24 or go to sprint and get a card + plan Nov 20 19:53:25 and even then, you're not going to get it to work by 3pm Nov 20 19:53:31 Costs money, and only has USB/Bluetooth Tethering. Nov 20 19:53:31 since discussing tethering on sprint is against the rules Nov 20 19:53:37 that's 7 minutes Nov 20 19:53:41 there is no way you'll make it Nov 20 19:53:46 Make what? Nov 20 19:53:56 * oilsworkn goes to lunch Nov 20 19:54:39 or just have PuffTheMagic tell you how to do it in linux Nov 20 19:54:45 hehe Nov 20 19:54:59 or just take dvd's Nov 20 19:55:06 or use the browser on your phone Nov 20 19:55:36 egaudet_work: is he available right now? Nov 20 19:56:49 probalby not Nov 20 19:56:53 egaudet_work: Where can I download his tethering application? Nov 20 19:56:55 and I don't think you'll get it in 4 minutes Nov 20 19:57:10 there's no app Nov 20 19:57:13 Manifest: he doesn't; have one Nov 20 19:57:17 Then how does it work. Nov 20 19:57:30 nt4cats|work: what was that link with the ascii art? Nov 20 19:57:52 gkatsev: what's wrong? real pr0n not doing it for you now? Nov 20 19:58:13 lol, talking about ascii boobs on another channel, and though, it was gonna be appropriate Nov 20 20:01:41 Manifest: there's a bunch of stuff online about tethering without any apps. it's just a line of script and a slightly modified service binary Nov 20 20:02:00 destinal: Can you help me with any of them? Or point me where to find one? Nov 20 20:04:20 Manifest: check precentral Nov 20 20:35:37 hey guys, is there an app to open up a shell on the pre that can browse around just like if I were ssh'ing into it? Nov 20 20:35:55 terminal Nov 20 20:36:06 the one that is listed as a browser plugin? Nov 20 20:36:25 (on preware that is)? Nov 20 20:36:26 not sure, I don't actually use it...I just, wait for it Nov 20 20:36:29 ssh there Nov 20 20:36:40 No. It's in Preware, click list all and search "Terminal" Nov 20 20:36:57 yeah in preware its listed as "browser plugin"? Nov 20 20:37:03 is it really a browser plugin? Nov 20 20:37:36 I don't see whare you're seeing about a browser plguin? Nov 20 20:38:05 Is the application called "Terminal" and it has a "Service called "Terminal Service Plugin" Nov 20 20:38:29 okay yea i mixed them up Nov 20 20:38:35 the application called terminal is stand-alone right? Nov 20 20:38:52 No requires the services to be installed. Nov 20 20:39:03 service* Nov 20 20:39:20 okay so i install terminal service plugin Nov 20 20:39:21 then terminal Nov 20 20:39:26 Sure. Nov 20 20:39:32 and then i can cd all around my pre and delete pdfs i downloaded? Nov 20 20:39:46 If you want. :) Nov 20 20:39:47 yes Nov 20 20:39:54 oil is teh Championz! Nov 20 20:39:59 thx templarian Nov 20 20:40:16 and, yes its really a browser plugin Nov 20 20:40:25 like the classic emulator Nov 20 20:41:16 oil, while you're here did you notice if 1.3.1 reduced some of the screen/redrawing lag when scrolling? Nov 20 20:41:52 because it seems like it did, but maybe its just me Nov 20 20:46:20 i haven't noticed anything like that Nov 20 20:50:48 ouch, given the backup failures, maybe we should come up with a 3rd party backup app Nov 20 20:52:54 yeah precentral got me all worried lol Nov 20 20:57:09 someone is making one Nov 20 20:59:29 oil sup Nov 20 20:59:29 oil: someone needs to help him Nov 20 21:00:01 i forgot to add a pass for a user should i delete the user or is there another way? Nov 20 21:01:01 nix user ? Nov 20 21:01:09 no on the pre Nov 20 21:01:24 i'm also tring to change the shell to bash Nov 20 21:01:41 last I checked the pre is running linux =\ Nov 20 21:02:33 ok Nov 20 21:02:46 can you login as root ? Nov 20 21:03:34 yes Nov 20 21:03:48 passwd insertusernamehere Nov 20 21:05:33 ok what about the bash shell? Nov 20 21:06:12 have you started ? Nov 20 21:39:30 Where can I get com.palm.luna.* java classes? Nov 20 21:49:37 ? Nov 20 22:01:04 egaudet_work: sorry, I would like to build the accelservice to understand the build and install process Nov 20 22:02:09 lol: http://www.palmprehacks.net/palm-pre-app-catalog/1493-preware.html Nov 20 22:03:29 destinal: check git.webos-internals.org for the backup up in progress Nov 20 22:03:46 thebitguru: from the doctor Nov 20 22:04:43 is installed the one that ripped off preware? Nov 20 22:04:47 rwhitby: oh, cool. thanks. Nov 20 22:04:50 "Installer has a better organization system for patches apps and themes than preware does" Nov 20 22:05:00 oilsworkn: HOW? Nov 20 22:05:05 and by "better", he obviously means "the same" Nov 20 22:05:09 rwhitby: thanks for meta-doc, worked great Nov 20 22:05:19 oilsworkn: i would send an email to that person and ask "how"? Nov 20 22:05:30 imho, he hasn't sucked in the new updates yet Nov 20 22:05:35 so installer is still super slow Nov 20 22:05:47 lol Nov 20 22:05:51 what is "ipkg log" some patches not operating. Help. Nov 20 22:06:01 eee Nov 20 22:06:31 bluto: how are you installing? Nov 20 22:08:07 dBsooner-work: i thought about registering and setting dude straight, but i don't care that much Nov 20 22:08:10 pre ware, some patches work, some don't. They all were working once. But some just stopped Nov 20 22:08:14 i just thought it was funny Nov 20 22:08:21 oilsworkn: I guess preware show default to show available types yes, and everything selected. Nov 20 22:08:33 HUh? Nov 20 22:08:33 and besides, "AdmiralRaptor" is probably the dude who "forked" it Nov 20 22:08:36 bluto: did you update the feeds Nov 20 22:08:39 bluto: what do you mean, "working":? Nov 20 22:08:51 bluto: do you mean they are erroring when trying to install them? Nov 20 22:09:06 oilsworkn: BTW, could you please take a look at my first serious Mojo coding in the last two commits to Preware? Nov 20 22:09:08 or do you mean they aren't "doing what they say they are supposed to do"? Nov 20 22:09:31 oilsworkn: please feel free to correct anything you see in them that needs correcting. Nov 20 22:11:13 rwhitby: does it work? Nov 20 22:11:31 I can't update because they cannot be removed. For example, volume togle for snapping photo, worked at one time but no longer Nov 20 22:11:57 w Nov 20 22:12:45 when I try to update that is when I get error and referrd to ipkg lo Nov 20 22:13:27 can you change the hostname on the pre w/o messing up luna ? Nov 20 22:13:46 bluto: Did you recently update to 1.3.1? Nov 20 22:13:53 bluto: or did you update to 1.3.1 without removing patches? Nov 20 22:14:23 wtf Installer is back? Nov 20 22:15:11 both, but some patches stopped working before updating we os Nov 20 22:15:28 Bluto: i find that hard to believe. Nov 20 22:15:42 bluto: Patches won't just "stop working" on their own. Nov 20 22:15:55 rwhitby: it looks fine from here, i can test it out when i get home, are those methods already in the service? Nov 20 22:15:57 bluto: However, the big issue here is you udpated to 1.3.1 without removing patches. Nov 20 22:16:13 the 1.3.1 overwrote almost all the patched files. Nov 20 22:16:39 meaning the patches are technically not APPLIED anymore, but IPK still thinks they are installed because you never removed them. Nov 20 22:16:46 bluto: you will need to run EPR Nov 20 22:16:51 Is there a remedy, still what I say is true Nov 20 22:16:52 And HOPE for the best. Nov 20 22:17:19 what is epr Nov 20 22:17:38 thebitguru, sorry I think they are in /var/usr/lib/ Nov 20 22:17:48 let me find out Nov 20 22:17:53 Hey egaudet_work: is it AM or PM? Nov 20 22:18:02 ? Nov 20 22:18:09 It's definitely AM somewhere Nov 20 22:18:15 ignoring all PM Nov 20 22:18:30 :) Nov 20 22:18:31 bluto: open preware, select drop down, select UPDATE FEEDS. Then select "list of everything" from the main menu. Nov 20 22:18:36 then start typing "emergency" Nov 20 22:18:42 and you'll see "emergency patch recovery" Nov 20 22:18:46 run that. Nov 20 22:19:03 * dBsooner-work thinks its always AM. Nov 20 22:19:10 i'll ty it THANKS Nov 20 22:19:15 thebitguru, you need the libs from the Pre/doctor to build the accelservice Nov 20 22:19:30 serviceframework.jar, lunaservice.jar, json.jar, Utils.jar Nov 20 22:19:32 egaudet_work: thanks. downloading that right now. Nov 20 22:20:03 rwhitby: will infobot listen to me? Nov 20 22:20:15 where will the jnlp download it to? I don't see it in the folder yet, will the jar file appear after the download finishes? Nov 20 22:20:33 so are you moving epr to patches>tools? Nov 20 22:20:34 xD Nov 20 22:20:58 thebitguru, after you extract doctor jar and then webos.tar and then nova rootfs image, the jars are at usr/lib/luna/java/ Nov 20 22:20:59 oilsworkn: I still think it should be in Patches Nov 20 22:21:07 but he moved it out of Patches and into Tools Nov 20 22:21:24 i was talking about that dudes second pm Nov 20 22:21:24 lol Nov 20 22:21:30 egaudet_work: ok, cool. will check it out as soon as it downloads. thanks Nov 20 22:21:39 ? Nov 20 22:21:45 oh.. on the forum Nov 20 22:21:55 * dBsooner-work didn't read much of it Nov 20 22:22:19 i wonder if rwhitby responded to him, because i didnt Nov 20 22:22:34 oilsworkn: yes, the methods have been in the service for a while Nov 20 22:22:44 ok Nov 20 22:22:49 oilsworkn: I replied to that Installer post. Nov 20 22:23:08 * oilsworkn goes to read Nov 20 22:23:19 oilsworkn: I know most won't read it, but what are the chances of placing a disclaimer somewhere in the Patches info scene? Nov 20 22:23:37 oilsworkn: http://www.palmprehacks.net/palm-pre-app-catalog/1493-preware.html#post2511 Nov 20 22:23:43 saying "Notice: All Patches must be removed before/after an update to webOS." Nov 20 22:24:29 i still had it open Nov 20 22:24:36 what info scene? Nov 20 22:24:57 whynot attach whatever message you want to the description of each package when autopatch gets to it? Nov 20 22:25:18 there is a better chance someone will read that then some other scene they dont have to look at to get what they want Nov 20 22:25:44 dBsooner-work, don't worry by the next update we'll have APT working to the point that EPR is unecessary Nov 20 22:25:47 i thought about adding it in that scene Nov 20 22:26:02 egaudet_work: speaking of which.. this "week" is almost up Nov 20 22:26:08 obsolete? Nov 20 22:26:27 I got so much todos and yet I want to play Call of Duty Nov 20 22:26:31 :P Nov 20 22:26:48 aah, cod is awesome :) Nov 20 22:27:17 yes it is :D Nov 20 22:27:41 aye.. but you said "this week" Nov 20 22:27:52 i won't let you live it down Nov 20 22:28:30 Good post rwhitby.. respectful, yet mean. Nov 20 22:28:36 rwhitby, oilsworkn, Preware calls ipkgservice to load the feeds right? Nov 20 22:28:38 not update, but load Nov 20 22:28:50 right Nov 20 22:28:53 service subscription Nov 20 22:28:54 dBsooner-work, this week ends Monday or Sunday Nov 20 22:28:56 egaudet_work: yep Nov 20 22:29:13 oilsworkn, rwhitby, sooo what about having ipkgservice check webos version every time feeds load Nov 20 22:29:22 bsooner, I tried what you suggested. No epr showed up and prob persist Nov 20 22:29:23 nope, you didn't say by the end of the week Nov 20 22:29:25 you said this week Nov 20 22:29:31 egaudet_work: whats hte point of that? Nov 20 22:29:31 and saturday/sunday = wkeened Nov 20 22:29:32 egaudet_work: yeah it could. Nov 20 22:29:35 actually saturday does Nov 20 22:29:35 and automatically fixing webos-patches.conf Nov 20 22:29:39 sunday starts the week Nov 20 22:29:41 based on running version Nov 20 22:29:47 and force update feeds at that point Nov 20 22:29:53 (if changes) Nov 20 22:30:01 that Nov 20 22:30:03 bluto: its there Nov 20 22:30:09 seems like it would be confusing Nov 20 22:30:11 bluto: search again Nov 20 22:30:38 dBsooner-work: does epr install an icon in the launcher or do you have to only install it? Nov 20 22:30:39 basically I want to avoid the situation of reading old webos version feed after an upgrade or downgrade Nov 20 22:30:41 bluto: from main preware screen (backswipe all the way back to main scene): press list of everything Nov 20 22:30:49 thebitguru, self removing package Nov 20 22:30:54 just runs a script to remove patches Nov 20 22:30:56 and then removes itself Nov 20 22:30:58 thebitguru: That nasewr is in teh description. It removes itself. Nov 20 22:31:07 oh :) Nov 20 22:31:25 so update feeds Nov 20 22:31:31 so really, it never installs itself Nov 20 22:31:31 oilsworkn, think AM here Nov 20 22:31:52 now also I think ipkgservice could track the last-used version Nov 20 22:31:54 "AM: blah blah blah, i can't figure it out, blah blah blah, help me?" Nov 20 22:32:01 and for the love of pete egaudet_work: MOVE EPR BACK TO Patches->REcovery! Nov 20 22:32:01 "you: update feeds" Nov 20 22:32:04 done in 2 Nov 20 22:32:24 bluto: did you try installing the patch again? that's still not working? Nov 20 22:32:31 rinse and repeat 1000 times :-) Nov 20 22:32:32 90% of the people I have helped are like bluto here and "can't search for epr" Nov 20 22:32:42 the feed is already getting changed Nov 20 22:32:46 they just need to run an update Nov 20 22:32:49 thebitguru: that has nothing to do with it.. he updated to 1.3.1 without removing patches Nov 20 22:33:08 oilsworkn, it's much harder than blah blah blah Nov 20 22:33:30 AM doesn't explain what they did or what the message is they just say "Can't do this, help!" Nov 20 22:33:40 better yet, can we make EPR a Menu item? Nov 20 22:33:41 :D Nov 20 22:33:51 just reply: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=webos+epr Nov 20 22:34:03 so now preware will start and have 2 buttons "get stuff" "fix my mistakes" Nov 20 22:34:05 dBsooner-work: same here :) I didn't both fixing it, but that emergency recovery seems to have resolved it (I can now install the patch that was giving me trouble) Nov 20 22:34:41 lol.. bhern: all the hits i GET are about "HOW do I use it?" and "need help" Nov 20 22:34:46 and oddly... "WOSQI" Nov 20 22:34:48 s/both/bother Nov 20 22:34:55 funny Nov 20 22:35:13 oilsworkn: please Nov 20 22:35:26 lets get to the real root of the problem ehre Nov 20 22:35:29 patches are very complicated Nov 20 22:35:31 oilsworkn: "Sh!t's Broken So Fix It!" and "Let's Break Sh!T" Nov 20 22:35:35 AM should not be installing patches Nov 20 22:35:44 no matter how easy and foolproof we make it Nov 20 22:35:48 its NEVER going to go as expected Nov 20 22:35:48 I went to list of everything, typed emergency patch recovery and get zilch, just lim. emer button and emer. call options Nov 20 22:36:17 bluto: do you have the webos-internals feed enabled? Nov 20 22:36:24 bluto: menu->manage feeds Nov 20 22:37:01 * dBsooner-work thinks is exactly why I should be able to say, "Go to patches, then recovery, then Emergency Patch Recovery" Nov 20 22:37:29 oilsworkn, all these issues can be resolved Nov 20 22:38:08 the ONLY issue we can't resolve is conflicts, the goal is to make all patch installation errors seemless for us to not have to track down multiple posssibilities, like webos OTA, or old feed or EPR failure or etc... Nov 20 22:38:14 so making it so feeds automatically update when it thinks the webos version has changed will resolve all issues? Nov 20 22:38:16 dBsooner-work, EPR is not a Patch Nov 20 22:38:21 it will not be listed as Type: Patch Nov 20 22:38:39 oilsworkn, at the least disable the old feed Nov 20 22:38:47 it is already Nov 20 22:38:54 when the service is started it change sthe feed Nov 20 22:38:55 and tell user to update feeds Nov 20 22:39:12 oilsworkn, doesn't matter if they dn't update feeds they still read old feed data Nov 20 22:39:22 right Nov 20 22:39:26 so they need to update feeds Nov 20 22:39:42 dont get me wrong Nov 20 22:39:51 im not saying we cant or shouldnt make such a message Nov 20 22:40:01 im simply saying its not going to solve very much Nov 20 22:40:04 its going to solve the problem you most see now Nov 20 22:40:07 and thats it Nov 20 22:40:46 but patches are always going to cause problems Nov 20 22:41:57 next is preware supposed know when there is an update downloading, so it can go remove all the patches for the user? Nov 20 22:42:05 thats another big problem Nov 20 22:42:15 now im just talking to myself Nov 20 22:42:27 :/ Nov 20 22:42:29 bsooner, where do I find "menu" and web os internals Nov 20 22:42:32 ok preware doesn't have to remove the patches Nov 20 22:43:14 my goal is to have every webos-patches feed to have the same packages in them, all the ones that are invalid for a specific wbos version will be dummy packages Nov 20 22:43:46 there isn't a ton of patch problems that are unsolvable Nov 20 22:44:27 OTA can be made safe for users Nov 20 22:44:45 The future result will be seemless transition, and NO EPR requirements for webos version updates Nov 20 22:46:12 egaudet_work: I know its not a patch.. but think AM here Nov 20 22:46:51 egaudet_work: THink "If I don't know anything about patches.. and I am told to go find this "emergency PATCH recovery", where do I need to go?" Nov 20 22:46:55 and one of the first options you see is "Patch" Nov 20 22:47:03 yeah, makes sense to go there. Nov 20 22:48:23 * dBsooner-work fights the urge... Nov 20 22:48:28 lol Nov 20 22:48:33 bluto: The Preware "MENU" Nov 20 22:48:39 bluto: Top left corner... Nov 20 22:48:39 remember people who find it easily dont' come here and say "HEY I FOUND IT" Nov 20 22:48:43 someone get infobot on #webos Nov 20 22:51:14 ~seen a2ny Nov 20 22:51:15 a2ny is currently on #webos-internals. Has said a total of 17 messages. Is idling for 1s, last said: '~seen a2ny'. Nov 20 22:52:50 17? Nov 20 22:52:58 oil is working? Nov 20 22:53:19 obviously not much... Nov 20 22:53:32 Thought so :P Nov 20 22:53:41 hardly working, wircing hard Nov 20 22:53:59 wirc is pretty cool, finally got around to installing it Nov 20 22:54:03 great work Nov 20 22:54:45 wow, eguy likes an app i worked on? Nov 20 22:54:48 * oilsworkn shocked Nov 20 22:55:27 I tried your advice but still no luck. Nov 20 22:56:26 Oh, did I forget the asterisk? Nov 20 22:56:55 any one know how to find emergency patch recovery Nov 20 22:57:11 preware -> list of everything -> type "emer" Nov 20 22:57:13 bluto: List of Everything, start typing Nov 20 22:57:13 egaudet_work: your turn. Nov 20 22:57:20 he did Nov 20 22:57:24 scroll up Nov 20 22:57:46 (4:35:49 PM) bluto: I went to list of everything, typed emergency patch recovery and get zilch, just lim. emer button and emer. call options Nov 20 22:57:51 bluto: what does the URL under the webos-internals say in the Manage Feeds page ? Nov 20 22:58:04 rwhitby: he can't figure out how to get to the app menu Nov 20 22:58:14 I told him a minute ago to tap the top left corner and trap manage feeds Nov 20 22:59:02 there is no "manage" option Nov 20 22:59:39 I see, "Prefences", "Update feeds", "Manage Feeds" and "Help" Nov 20 23:00:09 old version has no "Manage Feeds" Nov 20 23:00:21 oh Nov 20 23:00:32 update feeds Nov 20 23:00:34 ok heading home Nov 20 23:00:35 goto preferences, hit the Nov 20 23:00:38 bbl Nov 20 23:00:42 "feeds" button on the top right Nov 20 23:00:57 I see preferences, update feeds and help...only Nov 20 23:01:58 pre ware ver.9.5 Nov 20 23:02:23 no offer to update Nov 20 23:03:37 " I see preferences, update feeds and help...only" Nov 20 23:03:43 " no offer to update" Nov 20 23:03:52 ... "UPDATE feeds" Nov 20 23:03:59 change hostname from palm-webos-device to webOS :D Nov 20 23:04:12 a2ny: thats easy.. but does it cause any issues? Nov 20 23:04:41 tried update feeds. Still no help Nov 20 23:05:26 after you updated feeds, are there ant "Updates" listed? Nov 20 23:05:33 Especially "Preware"? Nov 20 23:12:09 howdy Nov 20 23:12:17 sup Nov 20 23:12:29 Hello mate Nov 20 23:13:14 Man... PreCentral forums is just turning into a bunch of crap. Nothing worth reading anymore Nov 20 23:13:31 example? Nov 20 23:13:50 Oh...that happened in July Nov 20 23:13:54 Search function is WAY too hard to use Nov 20 23:14:11 Well I used to read through the Palm Pre forums and find all kinds of hidden features, hints, helpful advice, now it's cluttered with stories and repeated threads. Nov 20 23:14:21 yeah.. like it always does "This OR that OR when OR how" Nov 20 23:14:26 isntead of "AND" Nov 20 23:14:32 bluto: http://install.preware.org - your preware installation is seriously broken Nov 20 23:15:15 bluto: you must reinstall it properly immediately, or you risk serious data loss on your Pre (well, not really, but you should reinstall immediately anyway) Nov 20 23:15:27 LOL Nov 20 23:18:24 yea i dunno how many iphone 3gs vs palm pre threads i can handle Nov 20 23:18:29 my brain might explode Nov 20 23:19:44 LOL!!!! AT&T's new commercial trying to compete with VZW....it is comical it is so full of nonsense Nov 20 23:20:43 why is it if you sudo -i, su to non-root, you still have root access ? Nov 20 23:22:28 Eguy: what is their commercial "yeah, well, we gots teh jesus phone" Nov 20 23:22:36 ? Nov 20 23:22:36 is there a reason why the changelog pops up everytime I launch Preware? is there a way to disable it? Nov 20 23:22:43 No...it's better' Nov 20 23:22:45 busted cookie Nov 20 23:22:55 delete preware with orange+tap in launcher Nov 20 23:22:57 then reinstall it Nov 20 23:23:11 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3PbBmElObI Nov 20 23:23:22 no speakers at work Nov 20 23:23:22 HILARIOUS Nov 20 23:23:26 ah Nov 20 23:23:29 you need them Nov 20 23:23:40 actually you can see where he puts the "x" Nov 20 23:24:09 the x? Nov 20 23:24:11 did att lose the Cease and Desist lawsuit? Nov 20 23:24:27 I think so Nov 20 23:24:50 i think they should have lost.. VZW was actually stating nothing but truth. Nov 20 23:25:04 Except it painted a bad picture of ATT. Nov 20 23:25:06 DId did loser Nov 20 23:25:07 WHich is what, slander? Nov 20 23:25:07 lose* Nov 20 23:25:09 Im just waiting for ATT to crumble Nov 20 23:25:35 apple will buy them Nov 20 23:25:36 well I failed at that sentence Nov 20 23:25:39 I work for a company that ATT is a direct competitor of Nov 20 23:25:44 They did lose the lawsuit* Nov 20 23:25:55 they absolutely hate my comapny. Nov 20 23:26:07 Got a question regarding 1.3 on pre. Nov 20 23:26:09 i already hate your company Nov 20 23:26:10 They find every way possible to bring us down. Nov 20 23:26:18 I hope T-Mobile buys them out Nov 20 23:26:19 :D Nov 20 23:26:29 Budha: ask away Nov 20 23:26:36 Anyone with a brain knows AT&T is the worst of all the USA carriers Nov 20 23:27:01 ATT filing that suit against VZW reminds me of Pete Carrol and how he cried that Princeton went for 2. Nov 20 23:27:10 What do you guys think about Nokia and other companies eyeing Palm? Nov 20 23:27:10 oilsworkn: is there another way to reinstall preware without webos qi? Nov 20 23:27:19 * dBsooner-work pukes on Nokia. Nov 20 23:27:21 get.preware.org? Nov 20 23:27:27 WillJitsu: use terminal Nov 20 23:27:35 dBsooner, what was the other company that was eyeing Palm? Nov 20 23:27:43 UK company Nov 20 23:27:46 owns T-Mobile? Nov 20 23:27:50 Got the update message this morning. And accepted. Before it hit me that I have some patches loaded. Opps. Trying to Web Doctor but does not show connecting. Nov 20 23:27:52 cool. thanks guys Nov 20 23:27:59 Shows up as USB though Nov 20 23:28:05 Maybe if a company buys palm, they will yell at them to get working and knock some sense into them ;) Nov 20 23:28:29 don't hit usb, hit "just charge" Nov 20 23:28:35 WillJitsu: use terminal and "wget http://bit.ly/dDEMO -O /tmp/preware.sh && sh /tmp/preware.sh" Nov 20 23:28:40 WillJitsu: there's a bootstrap script listed at the bottom of the preware wiki page too Nov 20 23:28:40 T-Mobile is owned by deutsche telekom Nov 20 23:29:00 Pretty sure that is not UK :P Nov 20 23:29:00 I did that. And the doctor just tells me to attach my device. Nov 20 23:29:15 Ok.. sorry, FOReign company. Nov 20 23:29:25 whats up with the bootstrap script? Nov 20 23:29:27 Deutsche comapny. Nov 20 23:29:28 Whats wrong with Nokia eyeing Palm? Nov 20 23:29:34 * oilsworkn used to look at those docs to find feed file locations/etc Nov 20 23:29:36 now its gone Nov 20 23:29:37 more development funds Nov 20 23:29:48 Nothing wrong with Nokia buying palm Nov 20 23:29:56 unless they turn webos into S60 Nov 20 23:30:21 Here is my problem with them: Name a good phone they have released recently? Nov 20 23:30:56 Budha: run the EPR, reboot, Update Feeds, reinstall patches. Nov 20 23:31:10 hehe, motorola + Palm ? Nov 20 23:31:10 ok should I remove the package manager service as well or just preware? Nov 20 23:31:16 just preware Nov 20 23:31:17 dBsooner-work: name a good phone Palm has release lately ;) Nov 20 23:31:20 ok Nov 20 23:31:28 wifi tether in 1.3.1 yet? Nov 20 23:31:31 rwhitby: Run EPR, "VERIFY ALL PATCHES ARE GONE", then reboot.... Nov 20 23:31:35 ERP? Nov 20 23:31:37 with the orange+tap from launcher Nov 20 23:31:43 its VERY important thats how you delete it Nov 20 23:31:49 Eguy: The treo line. Nov 20 23:31:50 Emergency Patch Recovery Nov 20 23:32:03 How is that ran? Nov 20 23:32:04 Eguy: Pre.. Its getting better. Nov 20 23:32:11 dBsooner-work: That was not recently ;) And the 700p/755 was not good :P Nov 20 23:32:13 ok Nov 20 23:32:34 Eguy is pre hater, don't listen to him Nov 20 23:32:45 Eguy: ok.. so you're going to have one bad phone manuf buy another bad phone mauf Nov 20 23:32:49 manuf* Nov 20 23:32:59 lol oil Nov 20 23:34:08 ATTENTION: For help with Patches not working after 1.3.1 update, PLEASE follow these instructions: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Updating_webOS_Versions Nov 20 23:34:32 I'm not a pre hater, I am an annoyed pre user ;) Nov 20 23:34:32 rwhitby: can I teach infobot to give a message with that link on a "~webos_update Nov 20 23:34:43 Eguy: I get what you mean about the lag. Nov 20 23:34:52 infobot: webos-update is ATTENTION: For help with Patches not working after 1.3.1 update, PLEASE follow these instructions: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Updating_webOS_Versions Nov 20 23:35:03 Thanks Nov 20 23:35:03 But it hasn't made me want to smash it... yet. Nov 20 23:35:10 rwhitby: okay Nov 20 23:35:12 dBsooner-work: Yes. but you need to be an op Nov 20 23:35:13 ~webos-update Nov 20 23:35:16 from memory, webos-update is ATTENTION: For help with Patches not working after 1.3.1 update, PLEASE follow these instructions: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Updating_webOS_Versions Nov 20 23:35:28 ~botsnack Nov 20 23:35:29 rwhitby: thanks Nov 20 23:35:37 :( Nov 20 23:35:40 infobot loves rwhitby? Nov 20 23:35:52 ~freakout Nov 20 23:35:59 Too much? Nov 20 23:35:59 infobot: dBsooner-rocks is I love dBsooner! Nov 20 23:36:00 dBsooner-work: okay Nov 20 23:36:02 ~gender Nov 20 23:36:03 I'm gay Nov 20 23:36:04 woohooo! Nov 20 23:36:06 infobot likes rwhitby? Nov 20 23:36:07 * infobot runs and gives rwhitby a big bear-hug. Nov 20 23:36:14 ~dBsooner-rocks Nov 20 23:36:15 dbsooner-rocks is, like, I love dBsooner! Nov 20 23:36:22 ~lart freakout Nov 20 23:36:23 * infobot pours hot grits down the front of freakout's pants Nov 20 23:36:32 mmmm grits... Nov 20 23:36:33 * freakout giggles girlishly Nov 20 23:36:33 ~lart infobot Nov 20 23:36:34 * infobot rm -rf's eguy Nov 20 23:36:38 :O Nov 20 23:36:40 haha Nov 20 23:36:40 HA! Nov 20 23:36:41 lol Nov 20 23:36:42 ~botsnack Nov 20 23:36:44 aw, gee, oilsworkn Nov 20 23:36:47 only nerds like that one Nov 20 23:37:01 no more torturing of teh infobotz Nov 20 23:37:06 and who else would be in an irc channel? Nov 20 23:37:09 jocks? Nov 20 23:37:15 * freakout is a total jock Nov 20 23:37:17 Im a jock Nov 20 23:37:20 you can't ass-slap in irc channel Nov 20 23:37:22 I like steroids Nov 20 23:37:23 freakout's jocks? Nov 20 23:37:26 And jock straps Nov 20 23:37:27 lol Nov 20 23:37:33 freakout's mankini Nov 20 23:38:22 infobot: freakout's speedos? Nov 20 23:38:23 freakout's speedos are incredibly steamy. Nov 20 23:38:50 infobot: freakouts mankini is Oh! God! My Eyes! Nov 20 23:38:52 infobot: freakout's mom? Nov 20 23:38:52 oilsworkn: okay Nov 20 23:39:01 lolololol Nov 20 23:39:31 bwahahaha. Nov 20 23:39:37 Yep, productive day in the chan... Nov 20 23:39:57 play anymore STO? Nov 20 23:39:59 I can't believe rwhitby joined in on the fun Nov 20 23:40:19 one sentence != joined in Nov 20 23:40:20 building the accelservice should result in a jar file, right? Nov 20 23:40:38 oilsworkn: nope. Last test was yesterday at midday, when i am at work Nov 20 23:40:48 typical that would schedule it for *after* I've taken two days off Nov 20 23:41:03 so whats another day? Nov 20 23:41:10 thebitguru: yep Nov 20 23:41:25 thebitguru: are you using the preware/build.git to build? Nov 20 23:41:38 build.xml Nov 20 23:41:39 ? Nov 20 23:41:46 back to work everyone Nov 20 23:41:56 accelservice/build.xml actually Nov 20 23:42:33 thebitguru: look in git:preware/build.git/services/accelservice/Makefile to see how we build it on the autobuilder Nov 20 23:43:11 (it uses the build.xml, but also gets the required service support jars out of the doctor) Nov 20 23:43:12 * oilsworkn is workin' Nov 20 23:43:17 thebitguru: what's your end goal here/ Nov 20 23:43:24 oilsworkn: no deets yet Nov 20 23:43:33 rwhitby: yup, got all the library and ant builds it successfully, but I don't see the final jar file Nov 20 23:44:12 ok I reinstalled Preware and it is still giving me the new user screen everytime I launch it Nov 20 23:44:13 I want to write a service for wake on lan functionality. so starting from the simplest to see if I can understand it all. Nov 20 23:44:15 they changed their website Nov 20 23:44:33 WillJitsu: it should only do it the first time Nov 20 23:44:50 I know it should :-) Nov 20 23:45:20 well my phone is currently stuck in the "always show startup scene" bug Nov 20 23:45:22 ill diagnose it Nov 20 23:45:34 this evening/tomorrow or something Nov 20 23:45:57 but really, orange+tap should have fixed itr Nov 20 23:46:06 hmm strange Nov 20 23:46:27 oh well... no big deal Nov 20 23:52:42 can preware update itself ? Nov 20 23:53:42 yes Nov 20 23:55:54 a2ny: it's the recommended way now Nov 20 23:57:21 thebitguru: wolservice sounds like a great idea. Nov 20 23:59:41 what was the reasoning to add optware feeds to preware ? Nov 21 00:07:23 Grr, I seem to have my palm drop the internet connection on a regular basis since the 1.3.1 update. Nov 21 00:26:44 Mercury: I just wish the pre wouldn't vibrate/buzz when it does drop connection. Nov 21 00:28:01 incoming text, call, voicemail... no... it's the pre... it dropped connection... i'm so not thrilled to know this. Nov 21 00:38:37 a2ny: convenience Nov 21 00:42:31 I found a small bug with Preware, after updating Preware I restarted the app, accepted the release notes, and then a feed got stuck. I closed the app and restarted, and now I'm see the release notes every time I launch. Unless that is expected of course... Nov 21 00:44:03 Flashpass-work: it's a known issue - it seems the cookie is getting stuck on 1.3.1 for some reason Nov 21 00:44:28 Okay, just lettin you know :) Nov 21 00:44:40 Flashpass-work: thanks Nov 21 01:06:37 anyone having issues where the system volume level doesnt seem to change the actual volume? Nov 21 01:07:02 its either none (all the way to the left) or max volume (anywhere in between none and max) Nov 21 01:07:19 it seems the same thing occurs with ringtone volume. im using 1.3.1 Nov 21 01:09:55 How do you make a service request using luna-send? Nov 21 01:09:59 he there, Nov 21 01:10:29 nm, google ftw Nov 21 01:15:35 stupid headphone jack is stuck like always too. Nov 21 01:15:54 thats the one thing that pisses me off with the pre. the funky headphone jack. Nov 21 01:17:03 agreed Nov 21 01:17:42 oil: just fyi.. I have stuck changelog in Preware. v10 Nov 21 01:17:51 if my pre moves in my pocket while they're plugged in, it sounds like a short in the wire or something. Nov 21 01:17:58 but it's not the headphones. Nov 21 01:18:58 also.. has anyone noticed how the topic in this channel is chopped short in wIRC? Nov 21 01:19:31 zsoc|away: luna-send -n 1 luna://org.webosinternals.ipkgservice/status '{}' Nov 21 01:19:38 ird: i have a couple of problems with it. 1) it gets stuck quite frequently causing me to plug/unplug the headphone jack about a million times before the phone registers that there isnt one plugged in. and 2) occasionally the mp3s "skip" and silence is occured for a second during playback. Nov 21 01:20:43 oil: didn't happen till I updated to v0.9.10 Nov 21 01:20:50 rwhitby, you missed my google ftw ;) Nov 21 01:20:54 I think mine is a hardware issue. Nov 21 01:21:00 Just a POS jack. Nov 21 01:21:31 yes, i do believe it is a hardware issue. Nov 21 01:21:53 once i hear that it has been fixed in a subsequent hardware release, i will take mine to be replaced. Nov 21 01:22:05 and now I just have a blank screen when I load preware and unfocus the card before selecting "OK." Nov 21 01:22:06 I'm waiting a while for replacment also. Nov 21 01:22:08 i can easily rsync everything back over. Nov 21 01:22:14 But the oreo effect is getting intolerable. Nov 21 01:22:36 I got mine in july. Nov 21 01:23:02 i got mine on release date. Nov 21 01:23:07 oreo effect? Nov 21 01:23:11 ok the blank is gone, but still have to confirm each launch. Nov 21 01:23:23 I believe the oreoing can be a good enough reason for best buy et al to replace the unit Nov 21 01:23:29 Only first gen units had most of those issues Nov 21 01:23:33 I keep hopign someone will find out that you can just open up the pre and tighten a screw to fix the oreo effect lol Nov 21 01:23:44 mine is an 0606 pre and I have never had oreo. Nov 21 01:24:02 I think its people being to rough.. or trying to oreo it. Nov 21 01:24:41 Flashpass-work: I read something about a guy doing that on pre central a while back. Nov 21 01:24:51 both of mine had the same effect where it slightly clicked to the right, and i called all kinds of sprint stores and repair guys and they all told me they heard straight from palm that it's by design to alleviate pressure to prevent people from breaking their screens with their thumb Nov 21 01:25:03 hmm i seem to fixed the issue with the loud ass volume. it seems that if you go into sounds & ringtones and adjust the slider for ringtone, it ALWAYS plays with max volume. the solution is to move the slider so the sound plays and then adjust the volume with the buttons, which will quiet it down Nov 21 01:25:10 can anyone test this on their 1.3.1 phone? Nov 21 01:25:50 is anyone getting any of these messages? Nov 21 01:25:51 quick comment, my wife and i were at dinner and i made a comment about someone wearing a phone on their belt be an "accessory" because she hates that and says phones aren't "accessories" bla lba. anyway I said he should slide it to the front and turn it sideways for a beltbuckle and og course she replies with, "I bet there's an app for that" Nov 21 01:26:09 a belt buckle app... Nov 21 01:26:18 food for thought Nov 21 01:26:26 however, when i move the slider for normal volume, i hear nothing. that could be due to the stupid headphone issue. Nov 21 01:26:42 * tictac posts it to the wiki Nov 21 01:27:15 hello? Nov 21 01:30:21 oops forgot to reply to his message Nov 21 01:30:47 i noticed once i fixed the headphone "lock in" issue, the volume settings work as directed. Nov 21 01:44:48 done. posted to wiki. [[Hardware Issues]] Nov 21 01:49:54 hi all.. would anyone have a quick moment to help me figure out how to replace just my messaging app using the repair tool? Nov 21 01:52:26 You can mount the rootfs in the repair tool via loopback and grab the messaging app source files from it I presume Nov 21 01:52:30 If you mean you trashed a file or something Nov 21 01:53:13 the app works ok but I get an error when trying to install the new card per convo patch Nov 21 01:53:16 chrisa: Jason Robitaille has a tool which uses the webos doctor and novacom get and put to check each webOS file on the device Nov 21 01:53:24 (from a host PC) Nov 21 01:53:39 preware thinks the patch is installed but it isnt Nov 21 01:53:50 That would be something to yell at rwhitby about Nov 21 01:54:04 themirthfulswami: EPR Nov 21 01:54:20 I did epr before I updated to 1.3 Nov 21 01:54:38 themirthfulswami: and were all the patches gone before updating Nov 21 01:54:40 still thinks I already have it installed Nov 21 01:54:40 > Nov 21 01:54:46 yes Nov 21 01:55:12 preware showed 0 installed Nov 21 01:55:19 so you're saying that Preware said that all the patches were gone before you updated to 1.3.1, and then suddenly after updating preware thinks that a patch is installed? Nov 21 01:56:02 top Nov 21 01:56:04 yes I updated to 1.3 then fired up preware and the new card per convo was lsited as an update Nov 21 01:56:46 did you reboot the Pre and reload feeds in Preware before checking if there were any patches left installed before updating? Nov 21 01:56:48 said I needed to remove it then update to new version.. but it can't remove Nov 21 01:56:58 yes sir Nov 21 01:56:59 have you updated the feeds? Nov 21 01:57:04 rwhitby: heya :) have you discovered how to select text in the emu? Nov 21 01:57:08 ayup Nov 21 01:57:12 I thought it was Alt, but no Nov 21 01:57:25 themirthfulswami: what does "ipkg -o /var list_installed" say? Nov 21 01:57:29 all other patches have worked perfectly except that one Nov 21 01:57:42 hold on I will check Nov 21 01:58:29 themirthfulswami: if the files that the patch modifies *really* are in their pristine state, and you just want Preware to forget that the patch was never installed, then use ipkg -o /var remove Nov 21 01:58:50 themirthfulswami: but if the files are actually not in their pristine state, you will be in a world of hurt if you do that. Nov 21 01:59:35 * rwhitby bbl Nov 21 01:59:47 it says unreversed patch detected when attempting to remove the patch (which I never installed) Nov 21 02:06:51 epr Nov 21 02:08:04 sup Nov 21 02:32:40 if you change your root password its the same password for sudo right? Nov 21 02:33:35 no Nov 21 02:33:40 sudo is the user's password Nov 21 02:33:51 wha Nov 21 02:33:53 haha Nov 21 02:33:56 i thought i tried that Nov 21 02:33:58 haha Nov 21 02:34:02 blast Nov 21 02:34:04 sudo was made so a user could perform root actions without knowing the root password. Nov 21 02:34:29 lol Nov 21 02:35:29 hahaha Nov 21 02:35:44 why is the sudo password the root password? Nov 21 02:35:48 err Nov 21 02:35:54 why is it the user password? Nov 21 02:36:40 so they don't have to know the root password. Nov 21 02:36:47 or so they won't know, I guess Nov 21 02:36:53 whichever way you look at it... Nov 21 02:39:25 you use sudo so that there is no root user to login to... if you don't know what the user's name is.. then you can't even begin to hack into his machine Nov 21 02:39:31 unless you're over his shoulder most of the time Nov 21 02:40:01 haha Nov 21 02:40:39 also... it's good "etiquette" Nov 21 02:40:54 so that users don't go around leaving root open for other attacks Nov 21 02:41:02 sudo is a grand idea Nov 21 02:44:27 hi new to irc and i have a question regarding a major patch issue Nov 21 02:45:26 oil: next STO test announced Nov 21 02:45:33 freaking 5am tomorrow morning Nov 21 02:45:39 gah Nov 21 02:48:27 i downloaded one of the patches (homebrew) and it was to auto "just charge" when connecting to the pc, it force updated 1.3.1 and now the patch wont allow me to do anything except charge when connected (little usb icon at bottom of the pre does not show) is there anyway i can use webos docter even though my computer can no longer recognize my pre? Nov 21 02:49:19 theleming, why does that have anything to do with your computer recognizing your pre? Nov 21 02:49:40 ... Nov 21 02:50:28 my pre does not recognize that it is plugged into a computer is the issue i guess i should say Nov 21 02:51:27 hi Nov 21 02:51:50 what are you trying to do? Nov 21 02:52:27 theleming: usb drive? Nov 21 02:52:54 it goes automatically to charge and i cannot change it Nov 21 02:53:13 the icon does not apear on the bottom of the pre(the usb icon) and there is no initial message Nov 21 02:54:48 i know that it is the patch (corrupted by 1.3) that screwed it over and i cannot run webos docter until this patch is removed (it is not connecting to the computer even though the computer is trying to connect to it) Nov 21 02:54:54 theleming have ou uninstalled the patch? Nov 21 02:54:58 i cant Nov 21 02:55:03 why not? Nov 21 02:55:15 it force installed 1.3 without me being able to remove it prior Nov 21 02:55:35 theleming connecting to the computer for webos doctor has NOTHING to do with the normal usb connectivity Nov 21 02:55:47 it's a rom-based functionality in a completely different area. Nov 21 02:55:51 theleming: if you boot while holding the volume key up, the pre is doctor-ready no matter what Nov 21 02:55:56 Would you like me to walk you through getting that done? Nov 21 02:55:58 instructions are on the wiki Nov 21 02:56:04 they are. Nov 21 02:56:08 but it's very simple. Nov 21 02:56:11 * freakout is finding link Nov 21 02:56:19 sorry rboatright, wasn't saying that to you :) Nov 21 02:57:40 freakout, explaining things is so second nature to me I forget that we've WRITTEN OUT the explanations and stored them. :-) Nov 21 02:57:51 lol Nov 21 02:58:01 actually, now i can't find the wiki link Nov 21 02:58:21 But theleming, if you fire up the doctor on your PC, it will walk you through the process itself **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Nov 21 02:59:57 2009