**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Nov 22 02:59:57 2009 Nov 22 03:01:21 hmmm Nov 22 03:02:08 According to Engadget, about 27.5% of the Engadget audience owns a Pre. Though thats pretty bias. Nov 22 03:04:34 lies Nov 22 03:05:51 Well thats what their poll is stating Nov 22 03:06:08 Though it's naturally bias Nov 22 03:10:19 Engadget has a bit too much bias Nov 22 03:10:26 especially in the comments Nov 22 03:11:51 Well the only bias I know is that its a technology blog therefore the audience are interested in technology and would be more likely to have smartphones. The second would be the way the question is setup. People with a Pre are more enticed to answers while people who don't have a Pre will be more likely to ignore answering. Nov 22 03:12:19 Why is there a overclocking patch in Preware? The havoc that will be set loose.... Nov 22 03:15:28 there is? Nov 22 03:47:38 anybody home? Nov 22 03:47:56 is any of the freeware Exchange clones out there compatible with Synergy's Exchange sync? Nov 22 03:48:42 has anyone successfully setup ssh using the openssh package from preware? Nov 22 03:48:56 Vince42, have you tried Zimbra Nov 22 03:49:22 not yet Nov 22 03:49:34 btw: ssh worked for me Nov 22 03:49:52 did you use the package from preware or did you install manually? Nov 22 03:50:20 i installed ssh on the shell with ipkg-opt install, afair Nov 22 03:50:27 ah Nov 22 03:50:36 i think i followed the instructions from the wiki Nov 22 03:50:53 works like charme so far ... Nov 22 03:50:59 were you able to do it without rooting? Nov 22 03:51:05 no Nov 22 03:51:21 afaik you cannot access the shell without "rooting" Nov 22 03:51:32 Wow I never noticed how much I used my fingernails when typing with the Pre. I just cut my nails and now Im making errors lol Nov 22 03:51:37 did you try the steps from the wiki? Nov 22 03:51:51 *gg* Nov 22 03:52:26 not exactly. There is a package available via preware that is the optware-bootstrapper. they also have openssh there Nov 22 03:52:31 so installed those Nov 22 03:53:09 i manually created a user after remounting the filesystem as writable Nov 22 03:53:19 i also manually generated keys Nov 22 03:53:26 shall i look for the page with the instructions? Nov 22 03:53:43 sure... Nov 22 03:54:39 i think it was basically http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Accessing_Linux and i followed the instructions in the blue box Nov 22 03:54:57 jjones: can zimbra be used as fully fledged exchange substitute? Nov 22 03:55:28 and ofc http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Next_steps afterwards Nov 22 03:55:37 so far it would seem so. I am playing with it for my small business. I seems to mimic everything reasonably well Nov 22 03:55:46 i skipped the quilt setup, as i was told so Nov 22 03:55:52 ok Nov 22 03:56:30 then i'll give it a try - cuz i hate that there is no free clever synergy source yet: google - not trustworthy - facebook - lol - yahoo - who uses that? :) Nov 22 03:57:12 hah Nov 22 03:57:31 google is beginning to scare me as well Nov 22 03:59:23 they are doing a terrific job - but they're everywhere ... i wait for the day, when Google AdWords show up on my toothpaste ... Nov 22 03:59:53 LED screens on braces...that's the really scary stuff Nov 22 04:00:13 :) Nov 22 04:00:31 will the open source edition of zimbra suffice to sync with the pre? Nov 22 04:01:38 I believe so. You are trying to sync to it as an exchange connection instead of pop or imap correct? Nov 22 04:02:49 right Nov 22 04:03:14 i have my own server, thus i only need a facility where i could basically sync my contacts and to dos with Nov 22 04:03:27 i fetch my calendars from google *ieeek* :) Nov 22 04:03:40 and my mail is plain imap on another server Nov 22 04:03:42 i think you should be ok, but i could be wrong. Only use the imap portion, and i generally only use the email Nov 22 04:04:09 well, i will test drive it first - and then we'll see :) Nov 22 04:04:36 but im planning on expanding my installation to full blown exchange for my small business cause i would like to use exchange on teh pre and blackberryy Nov 22 04:04:51 Vince42: I've used it with the corporate version, afaik it doesn't do todos Nov 22 04:05:19 Calendar and e-mail work flawlessly though. Nov 22 04:06:20 contacts are most important ... with pics too, if possible Nov 22 04:06:38 well, i will see how it works after my tests :) Nov 22 04:07:01 i love root servers - dl rates at 11 MB/s ... Nov 22 04:07:07 so, im very confused now with the pre... Nov 22 04:07:09 lol Nov 22 04:07:19 are you? why? Nov 22 04:08:17 well i went about installing preware, and through that i have installed a terminal and some other packages like the optware bootstrap and nano Nov 22 04:08:28 so i have terminal access Nov 22 04:08:32 i can create users Nov 22 04:08:47 and i remounted the fs to be writable Nov 22 04:08:54 you do that with the pre itself not via PuTTY? Nov 22 04:09:01 yep Nov 22 04:09:03 i never needed to remount the fs afair Nov 22 04:09:05 ah Nov 22 04:10:04 the problem however is that when installing either of the ssh programs (openssh, or dropbear) the server is running Nov 22 04:10:12 i can access it over my local lan Nov 22 04:10:20 i generate keys Nov 22 04:10:27 i knwo that part works Nov 22 04:10:37 i have created a user Nov 22 04:10:54 but, i get a error regarding no authentication methods Nov 22 04:11:05 i have not had to root my pre at all Nov 22 04:11:33 but i also dont seem to have the ipkg-opt command from terminal Nov 22 04:12:01 so im wondering if the optware bootstrapper package is actually complete Nov 22 04:12:43 i would recommend to do it exactly step by step like on the wiki pages and not to do it via the pre itself ... there's certainly one step / package that was not installed or configured Nov 22 04:13:03 missing auth simply indicates that you cannot authenticate Nov 22 04:13:17 which would mean that the system is expecting something different Nov 22 04:13:56 yeah Nov 22 04:13:58 i mean: if you have much time to spend, you could try to see what's in /var/log/messages - but doing the step by step thingy brought me easily to my ssh with key Nov 22 04:14:16 guess i'll try rooting Nov 22 04:14:29 thought i could get off with minimal config Nov 22 04:14:32 lol Nov 22 04:14:36 in fact there is no "rooting" at all on the pre - as it is open already :) Nov 22 04:14:41 hehe Nov 22 04:14:44 well that is true Nov 22 04:14:56 that's why they love to call it "accessing" :P Nov 22 04:14:57 jsut wanted to do it from the handset Nov 22 04:15:22 ultimate goal is to use winscp with it to drop files Nov 22 04:15:32 i am sure that there is some security mechanism somehow avoiding that somebody (many "some"s) gets too much access :) Nov 22 04:15:43 sweet ... Nov 22 04:15:55 i need it to access my root server Nov 22 04:16:10 pre even has a "knock" package :) Nov 22 04:16:18 well its good both ways Nov 22 04:16:29 i was able to ssh out from it to one of my servers Nov 22 04:16:53 but im wanting to get in so i can use the wifi for file transfer, cause thats totally awesome Nov 22 04:17:37 the whole device is ossum - i just wish the battery was not so low ... :) Nov 22 04:17:57 agreed Nov 22 04:18:16 i need to buy a "few" touchstones to put at home and work Nov 22 04:18:17 lol Nov 22 04:19:45 i already have two ... needed to exchange the first due to that silly "battery is loading message" defect ... Nov 22 04:19:50 now they both do work :) Nov 22 04:19:59 they charge pretty fast? Nov 22 04:20:07 i jsut got my pre yesterday Nov 22 04:21:47 i was a little bit disappointed about battery life time ... my pre was down after 24 hrs ... but i hope that they will improve this over time ... Nov 22 04:23:02 yeah it would be nice Nov 22 04:23:59 tomorrow the 1.3.1 will come out here ... :) Nov 22 04:24:26 oh, not in the states? Nov 22 04:28:35 do any of you use a case for your pre? Nov 22 04:30:57 i live in europe Nov 22 04:31:02 and i don't have a case :) Nov 22 04:33:53 i would like to go to europe some day Nov 22 04:51:14 So I have a working video camera application. Nov 22 04:51:39 hooray! Nov 22 04:51:45 o rly? Nov 22 04:52:26 o rly Nov 22 04:52:32 nice man Nov 22 04:52:34 srsly Nov 22 04:52:36 can i beta test Nov 22 04:52:39 lol Nov 22 04:52:43 yeah, it might break your phone Nov 22 04:52:52 why Nov 22 04:53:02 plus i update the service every... 4-5 minutes. I don't want bad copies floating around. let me get the script run method a little more stable Nov 22 04:53:23 er.. i'm having a _small_ problem with ... repeating processes.. not a huge deal, i'll work out the kinks Nov 22 04:53:41 whats eta? Nov 22 04:54:55 Well right now it's pretty bare bones. I'm implementing (er, reimplementing) functions one at a time and working kinks out. There's a severe lack of... information in the app, makes it a little annoying to use. Nov 22 04:55:21 I could have an alpha ready.. tomorrow probably. Maybe rod'll throw it in the testing feed Nov 22 04:55:55 But I can't "release" even a crappy version till i get stdout/err threaded properly. Nov 22 04:56:14 so probably the first week of december when I have a native C service going :P Nov 22 04:57:47 so by xmas ill have video recording Nov 22 04:59:21 zsoc that's AMAZING NEWS Nov 22 05:00:49 Rick_work, not really, anyone could be doing this Nov 22 05:02:51 Rick_work, and i'm lazy as heck D: Nov 22 05:07:52 entity-: begore xmas Nov 22 05:08:16 it will only take me a few days to make the service is zsoc really knows what it needs to do Nov 22 05:09:50 so Nov 22 05:09:53 by dec? Nov 22 05:10:27 PuffTheMagic, i think i'm pretty confident in understanding the flow Nov 22 05:11:36 i like that new backgrounds app Nov 22 05:11:58 someone needs to make a a porn one Nov 22 05:12:22 entity-, there are 2 porn websites that fully support webos Nov 22 05:12:34 what are they Nov 22 05:14:46 lol Nov 22 05:15:21 * zsoc pokes PuffTheMagic Nov 22 05:19:03 ird, are you my official spokesperson now? Nov 22 05:20:21 I was looking for a new line of work. Nov 22 05:20:24 why is there a lot less apps in the cdn webos store Nov 22 05:23:55 because you only have free ones Nov 22 05:25:40 WHY Nov 22 05:29:59 anyone have trouble using sudo to install optware packages? Nov 22 05:36:30 hellooo Nov 22 05:36:42 zsoc: dingdongpingpong Nov 22 05:37:06 Decimate, WHAT?! Nov 22 05:37:13 entity- because Palm hasn't figured out how to get money across the border without pain and massive fees Nov 22 05:38:04 zsoc: im pretty bored, and wondering if theres any video stuff i can play around with. Nov 22 05:38:22 Decimate, no. Nov 22 05:38:50 zsoc: argg. :/ Nov 22 05:39:43 WTF Nov 22 05:39:58 Why is my pre lighting up turning off lighting up and turning off when i lock it? Nov 22 05:40:34 sk1tt1sh, did you just restart java? Nov 22 05:40:47 i updated to 1.3 Nov 22 05:40:55 i've turned it off and back on Nov 22 05:42:46 like it i thought maybe "show when locked" being on might be why but nah Nov 22 05:44:13 webos 1.3.1... Nov 22 05:46:23 ne ideas Nov 22 05:46:59 hey guys, can anyone tell me how to download a .patch file from the gitorious repository without all of the html coding attached? I am trying to get a copy of the Battery Icon as Percent.patch that I can look at because it is affecting a patch i am trying to write Nov 22 05:47:20 i couldn't find a copy of the patch in the precentral forums Nov 22 05:47:45 root it and use wge Nov 22 05:47:48 wget* Nov 22 05:48:13 i am trying to get it onto my computer, not my phone Nov 22 05:48:30 oh Nov 22 05:48:46 there should be a source code file Nov 22 05:49:06 or right click the page and hit save as Nov 22 05:49:24 you wouldn't happen to have any ideas as to why the pre when locked is blinking on and off? Nov 22 05:49:35 http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/modifications/blobs/webos-1.3.1/top-bar/top-bar-battery-percent-as-icon.patch Nov 22 05:50:14 this is the repository file and when i right click and save, it includes all the html coding on the page...i tried to delete it all but then when i tried to install to the emulator, i got an error saying it contained garbage Nov 22 05:50:45 at the bottom right of the page click "raw blob" Nov 22 05:50:56 ahhh...nevermind, finally figured it out....raw blob data on the very bottom right Nov 22 05:51:01 haha, thanks! Nov 22 05:59:10 WHYYYY??????? Nov 22 05:59:41 Why does it fucking light up when it's locked god damn son of a bitch Nov 22 06:22:58 LOL Nov 22 06:46:55 dBsooner-away: ping Nov 22 07:22:58 how are you all managing your music transfers? Nov 22 07:25:22 Nautilus. Nov 22 07:25:42 just drag and drop? Nov 22 07:26:13 directly into the ipod_control/music folder? Nov 22 07:26:28 I just made a folder called "Music" Nov 22 07:26:35 and organized it manually. Nov 22 07:28:17 where did you place it exactly? under the root (/media/internal)? Nov 22 08:20:13 jjore: I'm using Missing Sync w/ OSX cuz I'm slightly lazy about managing my music on my portable devices :) Nov 22 08:43:13 so, on http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Getting_started : is that serious? Konami Code??? Nov 22 08:46:14 ... nevermind Nov 22 08:56:19 what is the difference between the "powersave cpu scaling" and the "powersave smartreflex" patches? Nov 22 09:05:31 two different ways of enabling power saving Nov 22 09:05:43 one scales by cpu mhz Nov 22 09:05:49 one scales by varying voltage Nov 22 09:06:20 which one gives better performance? Nov 22 09:06:42 well they both overclock to 600mhz right now Nov 22 09:06:52 I'm working on creating 500mhz versions Nov 22 09:07:17 is there any negative effect of overclocking to 600 mhz? Nov 22 09:09:51 well, you may see some stability issues Nov 22 09:09:55 some pres crash Nov 22 09:10:01 battery gets hotter Nov 22 09:10:07 but upside is your pre is faster Nov 22 09:11:02 hmm. any opinion on which is better to use right now? Nov 22 09:11:43 no. you need to test which works better for you. the main goal is to save battery instead of perf Nov 22 09:11:49 just dont install both at the same time Nov 22 09:14:16 but they both should make the Pre faster? Nov 22 09:14:35 the 600mhz versions, yes Nov 22 09:28:12 okay. patches pushed to the git repo Nov 22 09:28:22 just need dbsooner to update the feeds now Nov 22 09:37:37 I think throwing those CPU scaling patches on the feeds was probably a bad idea. Nov 22 09:38:24 all new can of worms opening already it seems Nov 22 09:38:59 not really Nov 22 09:39:30 afterall it is a 600 MHz device Nov 22 09:41:29 true, although I personally feel the OS isn't optimized well enough to solidly run as a 600MHz device. Nov 22 09:41:44 it's not an os optimization issue Nov 22 09:42:13 it is a battery life issue Nov 22 09:42:25 there are 2 parts. the kernel could use some work in getting smartreflex and ondemand governor to play nice Nov 22 09:42:45 also newer kernels supposedly have a much improved ondemand governor Nov 22 09:43:07 but I dont have the time/inclination to forward port the pre's kernel to the latest rev Nov 22 09:43:11 I heard Nov 22 09:43:39 lets start upgrading kernels :) Nov 22 09:43:56 I doubt anyone does, even Palm. Nov 22 09:44:40 2) on the app side, lunasysmgr could use a bunch of optimization. to cause it to start faster. it's also not PREEMPT safe so CONFIG_PREEMPT cant be compiled into the kernel which would help save some more batt life Nov 22 09:45:41 hi Nov 22 09:45:47 the cortex a8 supposedly is to able to execute java bytecode at native speeds via thumbee but I do not see any infrastructure that takes advantage of that Nov 22 09:46:03 so everything has to go through the app layer of apache harmony. Nov 22 09:46:44 now I'm not trying to throw hate on palm here as they are doing a great job imo but just listing what could be done. Nov 22 09:47:29 so there is still infrastructure work for 2.0 Nov 22 09:48:14 there are the calendar speedups Nov 22 09:50:14 well there's plenty that can be done to speed things up. the trouble as always is the time vs. win factor. Nov 22 09:51:21 ttm is everything Nov 22 09:53:45 hi, first time in here, :) , im trying to find wirc, i look in preware > webOs internals (FEEDS) but can only see bootstrap, can anyone tell me where im going worig Nov 22 09:53:56 wrong^ Nov 22 09:54:18 tar_1.22-2_armv7.ipk is broken? Nov 22 09:54:39 crusti: preware should be the correct source Nov 22 09:54:46 just refresh the feeds Nov 22 09:54:50 should do the trick Nov 22 09:55:24 ok thanks, will try, although ive been trying all morning Nov 22 09:56:06 search all apps, not only webos-internals Nov 22 09:56:48 crusti, just choose 'list of everything' and type 'wirc' Nov 22 09:57:24 what about the tar.ipk? Nov 22 09:57:24 I'm using it now Nov 22 09:57:25 that was the first way i looked for it lol Nov 22 09:57:45 does anyone knows something about it? the make stops here Nov 22 09:59:06 grr. I should find someone interested in hacking the camera with me Nov 22 09:59:41 getting so frustrated ill hack mine to bits with a pickaxe soon Nov 22 09:59:52 lol Nov 22 10:30:32 everythings updated in preware and i still cant find it :( Nov 22 10:31:18 ive got 1170 available packages on the first page in preware Nov 22 10:32:11 is that the same figure everyone else sees? Nov 22 10:43:40 installed packages: Applications: wIRC Nov 22 10:44:02 what'syou last available app? Nov 22 10:46:34 prestop Nov 22 10:46:51 updated 20/11/09 Nov 22 10:46:58 hmmmm Nov 22 10:48:42 timesheet Nov 22 10:50:08 timesheet was last updated 11/18/09 on mine Nov 22 10:50:25 am i not upto date? Nov 22 10:53:10 ill reboot phone and try updateing again brb Nov 22 11:07:04 still not there :( Nov 22 11:10:41 bbl Nov 22 11:10:49 thanks for help Nov 22 11:31:14 its snowing real hard outside :) Nov 22 11:34:34 nice Nov 22 11:46:34 i wish it would snow here. Nov 22 11:46:36 it makes me happy. Nov 22 11:52:08 yeah, snow is awesome Nov 22 11:52:25 its coming down real good Nov 22 14:15:46 nice work on wircd guys.. Nov 22 14:37:53 hi all Nov 22 14:38:26 am i the only one who cant find wirc thro preware? Nov 22 14:39:52 has anyonr else had the problem of it not showing up? Nov 22 14:44:08 ? Nov 22 15:03:54 hi all, did anyone else have the problem of wirc not showing up in preware?? Nov 22 15:14:10 ive been updateing preware all day and yesterday, but still i cant find it Nov 22 15:23:47 i cant be the only one not to see it Nov 22 15:33:48 ahhh, vindication :) Nov 22 15:33:55 Had a family gathering/meal just now Nov 22 15:34:02 my pre played the star appearance :p Nov 22 16:47:35 Templarian: are you the one working on the WoW app? Nov 22 16:47:51 hmm I'm waiting for a flood of threads from the cpu scaling/overclock/smartrelflex patch... Nov 22 16:48:11 should be havoc :p Nov 22 16:51:06 Abyssul_wIRC: are you using either one? Nov 22 16:51:47 I've used both mods since they were discovered like 3 month ago Nov 22 17:01:49 using them together? Nov 22 17:07:37 you can overclock the pre? Nov 22 17:12:18 its impossible to use together Nov 22 17:12:43 both the pre is underclocked at 500 when its built for 600 Nov 22 17:13:21 does the cpu scale by default Nov 22 17:15:34 geist was saying they didn't find much usefulness to it since the CPU is idle most of the time - with short bursts of a lot of activity .. Nov 22 17:15:44 so by the time the governor kicks in, the processing is done Nov 22 17:16:37 the cpu for the pre scale by default or does it run at 500mhz all the time Nov 22 17:17:01 it doesn't scale by default Nov 22 17:17:04 I like how people sign into irc for a few minutes then leave... hmm Nov 22 17:17:19 sarcasm Templarian ? Nov 22 17:17:41 Yes a little. Nov 22 17:19:47 it doesn't scale by default? are you sure about that Nov 22 17:21:08 yes Nov 22 17:21:51 it is ALWAYS at 500 no matter what's happening. although I believe it tips to 600 for a second when you boot. Nov 22 17:25:05 hmm so with this scaling patch would it save battery and is this thing stable? Nov 22 17:25:12 sounds a bit risky Nov 22 17:25:33 the only risky part is overclocking Nov 22 17:25:52 regular scaling and smartreflex is built into the CPU Nov 22 17:26:25 The people who overclock are severely reducing the life of their Pre's CPU. Nov 22 17:26:43 i don't want it overclocked. Nov 22 17:27:00 i thought the stock speed is 600mhz though but they underclocked it Nov 22 17:27:16 that is the case Nov 22 17:27:45 At 600mhz it trims 6months off the average estimated life. Nov 22 17:27:58 yep. apparently there is a reason its underclocked Nov 22 17:27:59 (which I think for a cell phone doesn't matter) Nov 22 17:28:09 is that in the specs? Nov 22 17:28:12 the 6 month thing Nov 22 17:28:20 what's the average estimated life? Nov 22 17:28:38 * ajames looks for his 3430 pdf Nov 22 17:28:45 the 6 month thing was discovered when the CPU was tested. Nov 22 17:28:50 if i can get it to scale and keep the speed at 500 i wonder if battery life would improve Nov 22 17:29:11 more than likely Mars Nov 22 17:29:32 the author posted more patches that don't include the overclock Nov 22 17:30:00 but we have to wait for dBsooner to add them to Preware Nov 22 17:31:31 i see smartflex and and powersave cpu scaling Nov 22 17:31:59 i wonder why palm doesn't have cpu scaling by default Nov 22 17:33:25 Mars: Probably the idea of scaling the cpu up and down has a downside (don't know if it does). Nov 22 17:33:40 cpu scaling causes the pre to glitch Nov 22 17:35:41 where can I get webos 1.1? Nov 22 17:37:13 i think i will leave this cpu scaling alone then Nov 22 17:38:36 sk1tt1sh2: I don't think Palm keeps those downloads open... (could be wrong). Nov 22 17:39:41 na. you have to get the doctor from a separate download like mediafire. what is the average lifespan of the Pre's CPU? Nov 22 17:42:21 Abyssul_wIRC: It's well over 2 years that most keep their phone so it shouldn't be an issue. Nov 22 17:43:47 a combination of 600 speed and scaling should extend the life. Nov 22 17:44:24 the pre stays at 250 most of the time while idle Nov 22 17:44:42 so many factors... lol Nov 22 17:45:15 * Templarian has never seen a mobile processor fail. lol. Nov 22 17:45:31 the pre would be the first :p Nov 22 17:46:06 Although funny thing my really old WM5 device randomly had a charge after 3 years of not using it. Nov 22 17:47:01 * Templarian will make his pre into a linux box afterwards so hopefully it lasts a long time. Nov 22 17:47:26 haha Nov 22 17:48:14 the Pre automatically goes to touch.facebook now... Nov 22 17:49:24 mine doesn't. Nov 22 17:50:25 wtf? Nov 22 17:50:50 Could be a cookie. Nov 22 17:51:05 Since i never use the mobile version. Nov 22 17:51:07 na. my install is fresh. Nov 22 17:51:20 I use the lite.facebook Nov 22 17:52:45 Mine does Nov 22 17:53:08 lite.facebook.com is better Nov 22 17:53:21 You can access the popout chat too Nov 22 17:54:11 aye Nov 22 17:56:50 http://thefuckingweather.com/?zipcode=49009 < Global warming is nice. Nov 22 18:38:00 jauderho: ping Nov 22 18:44:24 why cant i see my phone with webos 1.3.1 and webos quick install? Nov 22 18:45:58 sk1tt1sh2: I don't know. Email Jason or ask in his thread on Precentral.net Nov 22 18:46:13 webos-internals has nothing to do with WOSQI. Nov 22 18:47:03 i have had this problem twice Nov 22 18:47:17 update to 1.3 and wosqi wont see it Nov 22 18:48:03 dunno Nov 22 18:48:06 I don't use WOSQI Nov 22 18:48:23 maybe I should go download it for the first time.. Nov 22 18:48:55 egaudet: ping Nov 22 18:50:38 Templarian: you are just going to www.facebook.com and not hitting the bookmark right? ;) mine defaults to touch.facebook.com if I try to go to www. Nov 22 18:55:53 Marajin: oh i'm using a bookmark that's why. Nov 22 19:05:51 anyone know how to samba mount on a Palm Pre? Nov 22 19:06:20 I want to mount my windows drive on the Pre's /media/mystuff/ Nov 22 19:07:06 dBsooner, ping! Nov 22 19:07:12 yes? Nov 22 19:07:34 The new KeyToss fails to install. All the Unix line feeds have been replaced with Windows line feeds! Nov 22 19:08:04 what? Nov 22 19:08:10 sigh.. Nov 22 19:08:17 I did a file comparison w the file I sent... Nov 22 19:08:39 can you submit it through the form real quick? Nov 22 19:08:42 or at least zip it Nov 22 19:08:43 and send it Nov 22 19:08:51 because I have to save the .patch from my outlook Nov 22 19:08:56 onto a windows drive Nov 22 19:09:02 ok, I'll zip it... Nov 22 19:09:04 then i do all the work through my linux vm Nov 22 19:10:51 nm samkim, I'll just convert this one Nov 22 19:10:55 converting it from dos to linux Nov 22 19:11:36 actually, just sent it Nov 22 19:11:54 It's prob better to use the original, just in case. Nov 22 19:12:04 the image was already replaced Nov 22 19:12:08 as it's binary, shouldn't matter. Nov 22 19:13:23 hi Nov 22 19:13:49 dBsooner, there are actually some palm files that use windows line feeds... the localization files in particular - though I don't touch them any more. Nov 22 19:14:22 trying to install git.webos-internals.org/preware/build.git/toolchain but got an error at all optware stuff Nov 22 19:15:11 samkim: I know.. The other Universal Search patch uses them.. and it's annoying. Nov 22 19:15:39 synackfin1: that could cause issues :p Nov 22 19:16:06 synackfin1: wouldn't it just try to index all your music, video, photos, etc. on your drive? Nov 22 19:18:36 Marajin: hm, well what if I mounted it in some other directory? Nov 22 19:25:26 well it's just linux on an arm/omap processor so I don't see what stops you from having smb/cifs support in it Nov 22 19:31:32 what is the difference between preware and optware? Nov 22 19:34:01 Preware is a program to display packages manager.. It initiates the installation of packages, lists installed packages, etc. Nov 22 19:34:03 Preware is an application. Optware is (someone else explain this) Nov 22 19:34:13 Optware is actual software.. a feed. Nov 22 19:34:38 Optware is a collecftion of packages (software) designed to work on the Pre. Nov 22 19:35:04 http://webos.pastebin.com/m76a65752 does it mean something to anyone? Nov 22 19:35:17 oh ok so its like i view the optware feed through preware Nov 22 19:35:20 [20:14] MetaView: trying to install git.webos-internals.org/preware/build.git/toolchain but got an error at all optware stuff Nov 22 19:35:52 MetaView: Are you using Bash? Nov 22 19:36:03 MetaView: umm.. install? Nov 22 19:36:18 just running "make" isn't going to "install" anything. Nov 22 19:36:22 bash, yes Nov 22 19:36:47 ok, I try to build it Nov 22 19:37:11 I think you are incredibly confused. Nov 22 19:37:15 What is your end goal? Nov 22 19:37:18 anyway, there comes this error Nov 22 19:37:47 at the end I want to be able to compile a C-based service Nov 22 19:38:42 well, if I lokk at it, maybe it already did? Nov 22 19:39:02 you're doing a "make" on the root build.git Nov 22 19:39:25 which is going to build the entire webos-internals ecosystem Nov 22 19:39:32 yes Nov 22 19:39:40 which fails (as described above) Nov 22 19:39:41 which you don't need Nov 22 19:39:48 well, right Nov 22 19:40:24 well, if you are sure you're in a bash shell, not an SH shell Nov 22 19:40:32 (example, use DASH) Nov 22 19:40:53 Is pmmodemfactory unusable on wos1.3 Nov 22 19:40:54 and you are still getting the error, you need to modify the ipkg-unbuild Nov 22 19:41:46 if i enter version in the shell it replies: bash: version: command not found Nov 22 19:41:58 what? Nov 22 19:42:36 your problem is at lines 346-350 of your pastebin Nov 22 19:42:44 specifically line 35 Nov 22 19:42:46 350* Nov 22 19:42:52 yes, I know, it was about: do I use bash Nov 22 19:42:53 sh: Syntax error: Bad fd number Nov 22 19:42:58 Why isn't tilipctest and pmmodemfactory showing up after install of optware and quilt? Nov 22 19:43:18 MetaView: ls -l /bin/sh Nov 22 19:44:23 points to dash Nov 22 19:44:25 ok Nov 22 19:44:37 so edit ipkg-unbuild Nov 22 19:44:50 ok Nov 22 19:45:15 where do i find it? Nov 22 19:45:42 found Nov 22 19:45:53 line 33: os.system('cd %s; tar zxf ../%s >& /dev/null' % (pkg, filename)) Nov 22 19:46:05 take out the & Nov 22 19:46:32 ok Nov 22 19:46:38 now try it Nov 22 19:46:52 thx, it works Nov 22 19:47:00 can you explain what I did? Nov 22 19:47:12 your shell didn't like the & Nov 22 19:47:32 ok, wouldn't have known it by the error msg Nov 22 19:47:35 its sitll outputting the tar output to null Nov 22 19:48:07 now I get an unexpect === operator Nov 22 19:48:32 but I guess, I could just skip the rest of the build, or? Nov 22 19:49:36 you have something broken somewhere. As I don't know what exactly you are doing, I recommend talking to PuffTheMagic, egaudet or rwhitby. Nov 22 19:50:06 build.git is just our build script for making all of our stuff. Nov 22 19:50:11 ok Nov 22 19:50:29 one more question: why is the terminal a plugin and not a service? Nov 22 19:50:32 you are supposed to use it as an example for creating your own build .. you can use the toolchain, but look at the main scripts as exmamples. Nov 22 19:51:14 I will do it Nov 22 19:51:27 I cannot answer that because I do not know the answer. Nov 22 19:52:33 in regards to "Internalz" (file manager) - i'mm getting the error "ca.canucksoftware.filemgr is not running" does anyone know about this? Nov 22 19:53:05 jlederman: I get the same error Nov 22 19:53:57 the only post I've found on it was about WOSQI being the wrong version and for the person to update, but that was months ago Nov 22 19:55:22 Do youhave the File Manager sevice installed? Nov 22 19:55:43 yes, at least preware says so Nov 22 19:55:49 i might not Nov 22 19:55:50 uninstall both Nov 22 19:55:54 reinstall both Nov 22 19:58:41 hm, the services isn't there anymore Nov 22 19:58:49 not in installed not in avaiable Nov 22 19:59:13 i don't have it installed- in progress Nov 22 20:03:43 installed, but internalz still says it isn't running. i press launch in preware, nothing happens. restarted luna, pressed launch in preware again, still reads "ca.canucksoftware.filemgr is not running" Nov 22 20:06:31 reboot your phone Nov 22 20:06:41 then just try to luanch it from the launcher Nov 22 20:06:49 "Internalz" from the launcher. Nov 22 20:07:13 in process Nov 22 20:09:56 that did the trick. thank you! =) Nov 22 20:10:10 jlederman: No problem. Nov 22 20:18:31 what version of java is pre running? Nov 22 20:19:10 1.5 (I believe) Nov 22 20:19:55 Templarian: do you use komodo to edit java too? Nov 22 20:20:28 I don't use Java. Komodo is built for Dynamic languages. Nov 22 20:20:52 Python PHP All web based stuff. Nov 22 20:20:52 you created the webos addons for komodo, right? Nov 22 20:20:56 Yep. Nov 22 20:21:02 pretty cool. Nov 22 20:21:11 (it's components are written in Python though) Nov 22 20:21:15 how does that compare to eclipse? Nov 22 20:21:32 For this stuff everyone appears to say it's far ahead. Nov 22 20:21:56 I'm busy developing the WoW armory application atm. Nov 22 20:22:08 sure, so you do mostly web development? Nov 22 20:22:20 thebitguru: you making a java service/ Nov 22 20:22:21 ? Nov 22 20:22:42 Yep (but I also do .NET desktop stuff). Nov 22 20:22:53 PuffTheMagic: Hi, I wanted to talk to you about tethering, Rod had mentioned that you were also looking into that Nov 22 20:23:24 what about it Nov 22 20:23:25 Templarian: /msg PuffTheMagic Hi Nov 22 20:23:25 sorry :) Nov 22 20:23:46 I guess we can talk here. Nov 22 20:23:58 hi folks - do you take reports of dead feed redirects here? stopwatch/timer redirects to precentral then 404s Nov 22 20:23:58 have you already started working on that? Nov 22 20:24:08 yea i'd rather talk here Nov 22 20:25:07 ConfusedVorlon: I think that would a Precentral thing (so their contact form would be quicker) Nov 22 20:25:35 PuffTheMagic: so, have you already started working on it or do you have ideas about how to approach it? Nov 22 20:25:51 temparian: k - thanks Nov 22 20:25:53 ConfusedVorlon: or the developer would be best if it's just that one application. Nov 22 20:26:04 yeah i know how it works, how to do it, and have done most of it Nov 22 20:26:10 im not reinventing the wheel here Nov 22 20:26:13 i mean Nov 22 20:26:34 "how" to do nat+ip_Forward is simple Nov 22 20:27:00 I guess where do you stand? Are you planning on releasing it soon? Nov 22 20:27:16 soon enough why Nov 22 20:27:42 my plan was to work on something like that after I finished the Wake On Lan app that I am starting with. Nov 22 20:27:59 I guess I will look for something else if you have that pretty much done Nov 22 20:28:59 is there any position (official or otherwise) on publishing demo apps via preware? Nov 22 20:30:22 ConfusedVorlon: Nope, you just get a bad rank usually if the demo is too limited. Nov 22 20:30:50 that's fair. the time limit on that ttris app was pretty crazy Nov 22 20:31:12 ConfusedVorlon: I believe author of Stopwatch/Timer took down the app because it's available in the app catalog as a pay app. Nov 22 20:31:16 is there a page on webosinternals that would tell me what I'd need to do? Nov 22 20:31:49 ConfusedVorlon: no that's a Precentral thing just click on the apps link at the top of their stie. Nov 22 20:31:49 kyusaku - thank you. I thought my feeds were updated, but then realised they weren't. No idea why the other updates didn't work... Nov 22 20:31:51 site* Nov 22 20:32:00 thx Nov 22 20:32:34 ConfusedVorlon: check out http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/193957-read-first-welcome-homebrew-apps-section.html Nov 22 20:32:55 ConfusedVorlon: To prevent a low ranking spend time on the description of the application and use the tag. Nov 22 20:33:18 many developers have used Precentral to post their demo or beta apps, for testing purposes to later have a paid version available in the app catalog Nov 22 20:33:58 yup - I should start doing that. My current main app has horrible bugs, but I have been waiting about a month for palm to approve the update... Nov 22 20:35:38 Precentral makes as a really good testing ground for applications. Nov 22 20:43:49 sk1tt1sh2: palm removed those programs from webOS 1.3.1 - nothing to do with optware Nov 22 20:44:01 can i get them back? Nov 22 20:44:17 did you save a copy of them yourself? Nov 22 20:46:37 haha Nov 22 20:46:47 no but i don't mind droppin back to 1.03 i guess Nov 22 20:46:57 blast I wish I had a 1.1 copy :( Nov 22 20:48:47 maybe if you asked palm nicely they'd give you a copy :) Nov 22 20:49:20 ROFL Nov 22 20:49:25 yeah right Nov 22 20:49:46 sprint would probably have a copy too ... Nov 22 20:56:56 hi guys Nov 22 20:57:42 i was thinking with all the issues people have with themes... is there anyway to symlink all the files? sorry maybe the themer already does that i dunno but it just popped into mind Nov 22 21:02:49 Jack87: what will symlinking the files solve? Nov 22 21:03:59 whats good rwhitby Nov 22 21:04:38 oc80z: wIRC, backup, precorder Nov 22 21:10:20 rwhitby: Precorder, does that mean no pixi combatabilty? Nov 22 21:12:06 rwhitby: can you help me with the obsolete pacakge setup? Nov 22 21:12:21 rwhitby: since egaudet hasn't been here so far and I really need it. Nov 22 21:28:26 rwhitby: How do I utilize the ".PHONY" of build.git/autopatch/common.mk? Nov 22 21:32:39 what is the closest equivalent of java-1.5-palm for desktop? http://java.sun.com/products/archive/ Nov 22 21:33:10 egaudet_wirc: ping Nov 22 21:33:21 hi Nov 22 21:33:32 ping i jusr enter room Nov 22 21:33:32 I am making this obsolete pacakge, because i NEED it now Nov 22 21:33:51 So i have modified the main Makefile .. Nov 22 21:34:04 for f in `find autopatch\obsolete -mindepth 1 -maxdepth 1 -type d -print`; do \ Nov 22 21:34:06 if [ -e $$f/Makefile ]; then \ Nov 22 21:34:08 ${MAKE} -C $$f .PHONY || exit ; \ Nov 22 21:34:10 fi; \ Nov 22 21:34:12 done Nov 22 21:34:13 you can make any package obsolete Nov 22 21:34:17 I know Nov 22 21:34:21 easily Nov 22 21:34:36 I am going to move the /autopatch/ to /autopage/obsolete/ Nov 22 21:34:58 dont need to Nov 22 21:35:06 find then you do it Nov 22 21:35:22 I couldn't figure out how to make it not try to git checkout VERSION Nov 22 21:35:34 and I have to bump the version to make it known as "updated" Nov 22 21:35:43 so I was going to build it with .PHONY Nov 22 21:35:58 im just saying if u want to obsolete a single pacth package you can modify it in place Nov 22 21:36:08 well its two pacakges Nov 22 21:36:24 that I need to do like now. Nov 22 21:36:26 ill do it afyer pats game Nov 22 21:36:31 because jauderho broke some stuff Nov 22 21:36:46 sigh.. I'll just keep trying what I am doing then Nov 22 21:36:52 I'll figure it out Nov 22 21:37:04 btw do we really want overclocking and scaling in preware Nov 22 21:37:23 I don't care. Nov 22 21:37:29 I am just packaging up what I am asked to package up Nov 22 21:37:40 I have already denied one set of patches Nov 22 21:37:41 dont include modifications.mk Nov 22 21:38:23 so if i ask you to package up a keyloggerr you will :p Nov 22 21:38:40 but yea obsolete... wait till halftime? Nov 22 21:38:44 no, I don't wnt to send the .patch file Nov 22 21:38:46 can it? Nov 22 21:38:48 and common.mk requires it Nov 22 21:39:11 I don't want to send the .patch, or have it create any dirs Nov 22 21:39:18 and common.mk does both Nov 22 21:39:22 huh Nov 22 21:40:04 nm Nov 22 21:40:08 it just creates it in build/ Nov 22 21:40:17 look at build.git/linux/obsolete-virtual-keyboard Nov 22 21:40:44 thats all u neee without the rm's in postinst Nov 22 21:41:24 ok Nov 22 21:41:45 so should I make the version #: 1.3.1-999? Nov 22 21:41:53 so it stays in the 1.3.1 feed Nov 22 21:41:56 it has to start iwth 1.3.1 Nov 22 21:42:45 yea but you do that and that package id is gone forever Nov 22 21:42:57 understood Nov 22 21:43:06 will you ever need 1.3.1-999? Nov 22 21:43:22 what else would i make it? Nov 22 21:43:36 ? Nov 22 21:43:52 oh, I see what you're saying Nov 22 21:44:32 so just bump it one Nov 22 21:44:37 -1.3.1-16 updated to -1.3.1-999.. you could never do -1.3.1-17 through 998 Nov 22 21:44:40 from whats in feed now Nov 22 21:44:48 right Nov 22 21:44:56 gotcha Nov 22 21:44:56 ok Nov 22 21:45:01 im still going to move the dir Nov 22 21:45:13 and have the main build script go into the obsolete dir Nov 22 21:45:15 why Nov 22 21:45:23 so I can keep them organized Nov 22 21:45:50 and so you can have two makefiles Nov 22 21:45:57 if 1.2.1's version is sitll valid Nov 22 21:45:58 ill work on generic easy obsolete after game Nov 22 21:46:02 you don't want to obsolete it Nov 22 21:46:19 so youw ould have to have 2 makefiles Nov 22 21:46:32 trust me, this is probably best Nov 22 21:46:43 yea well if u move the dir u lose the valid 1re for example Nov 22 21:46:49 im not moving it Nov 22 21:46:52 i am copying it Nov 22 21:47:02 if its VALID for one version , I copy it Nov 22 21:47:13 and take out the vERSION# that is invalid in the original Nov 22 21:47:23 if its COMPLETLEY obsolete, I move it. Nov 22 21:47:27 id just do it in place for these two and well hash out new dir after Nov 22 21:48:04 mmk.. but I had it almost done Nov 22 21:49:02 k Nov 22 22:11:10 i want to use ssh to go from my pre to my home computer, but am not sure what to do with my pre to make this happen. Nov 22 22:13:17 egaudet_wirc: I am just going to wait for you to make the big one tonight Nov 22 22:13:42 egaudet_wirc: there are too many variables to keep it "standardized" Nov 22 22:14:05 like META_SUB_VERSION, META_GLOBAL_VERSION, etc Nov 22 22:25:09 dBsooner, ETA on the KeyToss patch fix? I'd like to give users something more specific than "soon"... Nov 22 22:28:56 "sooner"? Nov 22 22:32:54 dBsooner, so "tonight"? Nov 22 22:33:11 LOL.. "maybe?" Nov 22 22:33:21 Should be ready in next build run Nov 22 22:33:26 which is in 12 minutes. Nov 22 22:33:34 ok, cool. thanks. Nov 22 22:43:18 keytoss? Nov 22 22:43:53 oil: it's an app for those parties where you toss your keys into the bowl .... Nov 22 22:45:44 oil, ? Nov 22 22:46:32 rwhitby, you go to some strange parties... Nov 22 22:47:05 nope.. I go to thoser parties Nov 22 22:47:25 it's called "No one should drive afterwards because of alcohol consumption." Nov 22 22:48:06 ah, i see. i thought it was some way of exchanging keys. :P Nov 22 22:48:11 samkim: it's building now.. due to us helping prethemer, the build process won't finish for a couple more minutes. Nov 22 22:48:29 ok thx Nov 22 22:48:34 btw, rwhitby: Can we stop doing that yet? Nov 22 22:51:51 Anyone have any idea when the smartreflex 500 patch will be pushed? Nov 22 22:52:06 it will be ready any minute Nov 22 22:52:25 smartreflex 500? Nov 22 22:52:28 build script takes about 7-8 minutes Nov 22 22:52:45 Okay. And would you say its safe? Nov 22 22:53:15 hckyplayer_pre: any patch which modifies the operation of the hardware (as opposed to the operation of the software) is inherently unsafe. Nov 22 22:53:36 since we have no insight into the design constraints imposed by the rest of the board around the CPU. Nov 22 22:54:09 welp, they didn't make it in that run Nov 22 22:54:11 next run Nov 22 22:54:12 I see. So I'm taking it that you won't be putting it on your pre? Nov 22 22:54:55 hckyplayer_pre: I haven't tried them yet. There's a good chance that I would, cause I'm not a person who would take a Pre back to Palm or Sprint if I broke it through applying patches on it. Nov 22 22:54:57 I won't be putting it on mine. Nov 22 22:56:38 Yeah I don't think I will be doing this either... Guess I will wait until palm decides to utilize the gpu for speed improvements Nov 22 22:57:04 dBsooner, what do you need for halftime Nov 22 22:57:11 obsolete a couple packges right? Nov 22 22:57:19 nah, we can wait till after Nov 22 22:57:36 well.. Nov 22 22:57:38 yeah Nov 22 22:57:50 because I need to move misc-powersave-* to experimental-powersave-* Nov 22 22:57:56 I'm dead tired Nov 22 22:58:05 wow. i looked up the patch and all I see are noobs commenting on hardware :) Nov 22 22:59:13 ElVox: there are a couple of folks who know what they are doing (from a CPU data sheet point of view, of course they have no idea what the rest of the system requires), but you're right that most of the thread is like that. Nov 22 22:59:19 i sitll think we should make an /autopatch/obsolete dir and COPY/MOVE the pacakge folder from /autopatch/ to /autopatch/obsolete/ Nov 22 23:00:06 should we be putting these into feed? Nov 22 23:00:17 unsafe patches like cpu scaling? Nov 22 23:00:23 overclock Nov 22 23:00:31 we just talked about that Nov 22 23:00:39 and we are going to make them in the "Dangerous" category Nov 22 23:00:48 rwhitby: yeah i can't see a compelling reason to use this patch. i mean it will only take so long before someone makes a power virus (intentional or not) that starts really affecting users who "overclock" their cpus Nov 22 23:00:53 which is why I need to move misc-powersave-* to dangerous-powersave-* Nov 22 23:00:59 which means i need to obsolete misc-powersave-* Nov 22 23:02:23 there are 6 packages in misc-powersave-* that need to be obsoleted.. Nov 22 23:02:34 and only 4 that will continue on in dangerous-powersave-* Nov 22 23:02:36 I know that I usually just click all patches and browse through everything and don't go through the categories so it may not warn many people Nov 22 23:03:05 I am going to add stuff to the descriptions hckyplayer_pre Nov 22 23:03:29 dBsooner, I'm exhausted. I'll just obsolete the misc-* ones now and do the obsolete/ dir tomorrow Nov 22 23:03:46 if you obsolete those, I can do the other one easily Nov 22 23:03:46 I see that would be a good idea Nov 22 23:03:56 other one? Nov 22 23:04:04 just make sure it obsolete's using the ../common.mk Nov 22 23:04:09 make the obsolete dir Nov 22 23:04:10 ? Nov 22 23:04:14 ?? Nov 22 23:04:16 sigh Nov 22 23:04:20 forget it Nov 22 23:04:33 "obsolete" just means building a package with nothing but a postinst that removes itself Nov 22 23:04:41 what makefiles they use are irrelevant Nov 22 23:05:50 trust me Nov 22 23:06:08 common.mk incldues a META_SUB_VERSION and META_GLOBAL_VERSION Nov 22 23:06:15 so what? Nov 22 23:06:19 rwhitby, perhaps symlinking might make it easier to reactivate the original fiels being replaced. maybe making it easier to avoid stuck themes or stuck parts of themes.. i really have no idea. i dont mess with themes just a random thought Nov 22 23:06:19 which you do not have in your obsolete VKB Nov 22 23:06:27 I don't need them Nov 22 23:06:33 i know Nov 22 23:06:35 once it's obsolete that's it, there is no sub versions etc.. Nov 22 23:06:44 Jack87: symlinking is no different - you still need to save the original and restore it later. Nov 22 23:07:03 egaudet: ok then Nov 22 23:07:11 Jack87: a union filesystem, on the other hand, is something we might look into in the long run. Nov 22 23:07:15 egaudet: just make one of them obsolete and I can mimic that Nov 22 23:07:33 egaudet: for the other 5.. and I will make the obsolete dir and add a for loop to the makefile.. easy. Nov 22 23:09:03 oil: can you make a dangerous icon? Nov 22 23:09:16 rwhitby, copy that Nov 22 23:22:01 Howdy Nov 22 23:22:58 hello Nov 22 23:23:57 I have a question. I want to ssh from my pre to my computer. can I do this from the terminal? Nov 22 23:24:04 (on the pre) Nov 22 23:24:07 yes Nov 22 23:24:13 i thought so. I dont know how though Nov 22 23:24:49 are there any clear guides I could follow? Nov 22 23:25:35 did you run the optware-bootstrap.sh script? Nov 22 23:26:11 well, I installed the optware bootstrap in preware Nov 22 23:26:22 i'm not sure if that counts for the same thing Nov 22 23:26:28 hmm Nov 22 23:27:03 if there are supposed to be new apps in the launcher after doing that, there aren't Nov 22 23:27:28 dBsooner, pushed Nov 22 23:27:40 jlederman: you need to make sure you have optware-openssh installed Nov 22 23:27:43 thats the ssh client Nov 22 23:27:52 egaudet: cool.. all 6? Nov 22 23:27:57 dBsooner, no Nov 22 23:28:00 you said just one Nov 22 23:28:01 jus tone? Nov 22 23:28:04 k Nov 22 23:28:11 oil: any reason not to push ipkgservice 0.9.20 and preware 0.9.10 ? Nov 22 23:28:13 thanks Nov 22 23:28:23 I'm gonna go lay down now, ping me on wirc if you need me Nov 22 23:28:28 ok Nov 22 23:28:57 jlederman: install openssh or dropbear in Preware and you'll have a command line ssh client you can run from the Terminal Nov 22 23:29:11 jlederman: read the documentation links for those packages to see how to set it up Nov 22 23:29:37 I have those installed. im a noob with the terminal though Nov 22 23:29:42 rwhitby: will do Nov 22 23:29:59 man ssh Nov 22 23:30:00 :D Nov 22 23:30:07 jlederman: there is no GUI ssh client yet. I expect creating one would be easier now we have the code from wIRC Nov 22 23:30:44 I saw a cool program on my buddies iPhone last night.. Nov 22 23:30:45 I want it.. Nov 22 23:30:49 its a Police Scanner. Nov 22 23:31:01 thanks for the information everybody =) Nov 22 23:31:14 * Abyssul wants GPU support already. Nov 22 23:31:20 and by police scanner, you means, it downloads audio from the internets Nov 22 23:31:33 i would only assume Nov 22 23:31:44 but all inclusive in an app Nov 22 23:31:48 and its realtime Nov 22 23:31:54 again, you assume xD Nov 22 23:31:58 i was listening to LAPD Nov 22 23:31:58 There is website for that eBsooner Nov 22 23:32:06 and Broken Arrow police last night Nov 22 23:32:15 aye.. but I want it in an app Nov 22 23:37:37 * ElVox wants an automatically police scanner that will trigger alerts based on the presence of keywords in the police feed. Nov 22 23:37:45 Rofl Nov 22 23:38:01 So... voice to text then alert Nov 22 23:38:18 like, you know... "elvox" and "warrant" within 10 seconds of each other :P Nov 22 23:38:30 Abyssul: yup! Nov 22 23:38:59 Rofl Nov 22 23:39:05 * ElVox will have the first mobile device ever arrested for "Aiding and Abetting" Nov 22 23:39:11 thats your realname or would they use your IRC username? lol Nov 22 23:39:31 * rwhitby bbl Nov 22 23:40:40 duh! the police use irc...why do you think there are so many pedos here Nov 22 23:42:50 * Abyssul was caught. Nov 22 23:48:42 
 hey
Nov 22 23:49:07 
 can't get the ad blocker to work.  Anyone else have this complication?
Nov 22 23:49:24 
 is it suppose to block like FF adblock plus?
Nov 22 23:56:57  Similiarly
Nov 23 00:11:19 
 I installed and restarted:/
Nov 23 00:23:11  ~seen ajames
Nov 23 00:23:15  ajames  was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 6h 55m 2s ago, saying: 'the 6 month thing'.
Nov 23 00:23:22  bah, where is that fool
Nov 23 00:30:42  zsoc
Nov 23 00:30:54  Eguy
Nov 23 00:31:29  what's crackin'?
Nov 23 00:32:52  ^Your spine
Nov 23 00:33:36  zing
Nov 23 00:35:15  is it possible to input a "~" in the pre terminal
Nov 23 00:35:44  sym window?
Nov 23 00:35:45  Eguy, not much, why?
Nov 23 00:36:03  just wondering
Nov 23 00:36:18  abyssul: doesnt work in terminal
Nov 23 00:36:22  jlederman, if you can, it'll be here: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Terminal
Nov 23 00:38:00  zsoc, i imagine it would be listed in the non-obvious keys section, but it isnt
Nov 23 00:38:23  jlederman, then you probably can't. may i ask what you need a ~ for?
Nov 23 00:39:41  zsoc: it may not even be necessary, but ssh escape characters.
Nov 23 00:40:08  interesting point
Nov 23 00:40:18 
 zup?
Nov 23 00:40:25  i don't think the terminal app has been actively developed now for quite some time.
Nov 23 00:41:09  that page was lasted updated aug 29. im trying to ssh from my pre to my computer
Nov 23 00:50:37 
 oh, I contacted shazam.  they said they eventually, though not sure when, they will create an app for the webos
Nov 23 00:51:04  Eventually is anytime between now and the death of WebOS
Nov 23 00:52:23 
 hm, do you think we will see any other phones for webOS?
Nov 23 00:52:30 
 "the death"
Nov 23 00:52:42  Of course lol
Nov 23 00:53:27 
 I'm just wondering when you look at every other phone.  Google has been out for less time and has more apps
Nov 23 00:53:35 
 but the multitab browsing is good for adhd
Nov 23 00:53:48  What do you mean? Android has been out for longer
Nov 23 00:53:54 
 rly?
Nov 23 00:54:04  Yes lol. Like 5 months more
Nov 23 00:54:21  Idk exactly. But a decent amount of time
Nov 23 00:54:37 
 hrm, then why did everyone anticipate the first "iphone rival"
Nov 23 00:54:44  Google has the money to invest in multiple phones too.
Nov 23 00:54:44 
 looks like google has had it down
Nov 23 00:55:15  Every OS has it's perks
Nov 23 00:55:30  To call one a killer is nonsense
Nov 23 00:56:10  Abyssul, try almost a year more
Nov 23 00:56:12 
 I just hope we get flash or FF soon
Nov 23 00:56:29  Meh, I couldn't care much about Flash.
Nov 23 00:56:29  brb
Nov 23 00:56:55  I'm waiting for GPU support
Nov 23 00:57:02 
 well what I don't understand.  It gets youtube support... but no other streaming sites ability
Nov 23 00:57:10 
 despite all being in .fls format
Nov 23 00:57:31  Licensing? Im not sure
Nov 23 00:57:41 
 what if we want to watch liveleak.com for gore
Nov 23 00:58:08  youtube is being streamed to mobile phones in a different format
Nov 23 00:58:15 
 oh
Nov 23 01:09:59  bah
Nov 23 01:19:22  hey
Nov 23 01:20:26  whenever i try to access my pre with novaterm: i get this error: www.dydel.com/pre.png (occurs everytime i enter 1 letter or press the enter button)
Nov 23 01:20:32  any solution ?
Nov 23 01:23:29  anyone watching shakira right now? this is terrible
Nov 23 01:24:01  porfuse, you don't want my answer
Nov 23 01:24:41  what's she doing? lol
Nov 23 01:25:03  http://www.precentral.net/pre-caught-video-running-need-speed
Nov 23 01:25:20   Anyone know if there is a way to press the pre's "power" button on the emulator?
Nov 23 01:25:21  looks like Palm is making good progress on their graphical game development work for webos
Nov 23 01:26:46  Wiz1999: probably not with the current hidd plugins -- though new ones could be written or new data could be stuffed into the sockets used by the existing ones
Nov 23 01:27:22  hmmm...
Nov 23 01:28:50  zsoc hook me up
Nov 23 01:29:01  porfuse, install linux :)
Nov 23 01:29:05  what will the game development be like? open gl sort of thing?
Nov 23 01:29:07  lulz
Nov 23 01:29:45  im in a fucking sublaptop and its impossible
Nov 23 01:29:55  porfuse, using windows is what's impossible
Nov 23 01:30:13  Interesting enough, someone hacked the dsp (full set of apis) during a google summer of code
Nov 23 01:30:19  the gpu is the same deal
Nov 23 01:30:36  you just need someone with TI's docs, and someone with low-level coding experience
Nov 23 01:30:42  the zuneHD rapes at 3D games
Nov 23 01:30:49 
 so, I'm debating CL a guy for a massage due to excessive pain.
Nov 23 01:30:50  why is that not a phone ?
Nov 23 01:30:53 
 dangerous idea or?
Nov 23 01:33:03  what. the.
Nov 23 01:33:36  zsoc: my thoughts exactly
Nov 23 01:33:52  destinal, i haven't seen you in forever
Nov 23 01:35:33  zsoc: I've been here off and on.  I've mostly been pulled away by real-life, books, and other hobbies.
Nov 23 01:35:51  destinal, oh i see :) i guess i can't argue with that. most of us would probably be better off
Nov 23 01:35:52  :>
Nov 23 01:38:14  zsoc: yeah, I'm thinking about getting into writing seriously, actually.  maybe an insane idea, but it wouldn't be my first.  :)   On the other hand, I'm a little annoyed with myself for having let terminal and some of my other projects languish so long
Nov 23 01:41:55  Derek wrote this on precentral front page:  "Nova 1.3.X - if you've been with the Palm community for a few years you may remember the rumblings of a Nova device or OS having been in development in Sunnyvale."
Nov 23 01:42:16  my response?  nova = webos.  duh.
Nov 23 01:52:08  destinal, we need some good core hackers. the 2 we got only bounce in and out and do it as a personal hobby :P
Nov 23 01:52:46  well, I doubt we'll get anyone to do it except as a hobby :)  (not like we can pay them)
Nov 23 01:53:55  well, i mean some are more dedicated then others
Nov 23 01:54:19  like the work puff and oil have done on wirc is flat out amazing
Nov 23 01:54:57  but you're right, we all do it as a hobby
Nov 23 01:55:15  zsoc: yeah,  the community of serious webos or pre hackers is way smaller than some of the other devices
Nov 23 01:55:18  except kesne :P
Nov 23 01:55:49  which is funny, considering webos is much more hackable then the average phone
Nov 23 01:56:47  zsoc: there's still a lot of internal webos stuff that we've barely scratched the surface of which is way more interesting to me than an IRC client, but as you pointed out, I haven't been focused on it lately
Nov 23 01:59:48  destinal, a lot has actually been researched.. although I agree there is still a deep dark cave. I think the biggest problem is the linux stuff is pretty obvious/open, the webos stuff is pretty closed, and only documented stuff is really accessable (for the most part), and the hardware/TI stuff is really stuck up in NDA'd docs
Nov 23 02:09:03  Well, that and the iPhone community seems to be all about payment.  So lots of people work on cracking and apps that are going to earn out.
Nov 23 02:09:21  We don't see that here, because we're not supporting an alternate payment platform _yet_
Nov 23 02:09:45  but next month when Palm re-launces the dev-portal, that should change since alternate-app-stores WILL be possible.
Nov 23 02:10:02  Eh, I'm not so sure that's holding much back.
Nov 23 02:10:08  k
Nov 23 02:10:18  well then, there's the pure population issue.
Nov 23 02:10:18  I mean, we have ad-driven apps
Nov 23 02:10:23  There's just fewer of us.
Nov 23 02:10:51  There should be about 2 million webos phones floating around world wide tho, no?
Nov 23 02:11:21  do you guys know of any patch screwing up shutdown/restart menus?  I am getting Uncaught TypeError: Object # has no method 'machineReboot' in the log when I press those buttons
Nov 23 02:12:05  luna-systemui/app/controllers/resetalert-assistant.js is the caller
Nov 23 02:12:37  thebitguru, did you check for a resetalert-assistant.js.orig or similar?
Nov 23 02:12:57  what do you mean? check where?
Nov 23 02:13:56  er.. in the file system
Nov 23 02:14:48  there isn't one there
Nov 23 02:14:53  .orig that is
Nov 23 02:15:07  do all patches leave .orig?
Nov 23 02:16:16  no, some of them leave .BCKP or .OLD.. there's no real good standard that I know of for sure (maybe there is?)
Nov 23 02:16:22  what's your md5
Nov 23 02:16:49  01d32563348c70ccfeb662daf02fa9b0  resetalert-assistant.js
Nov 23 02:17:18  lemme find the file real quick
Nov 23 02:17:24  ok, thanks
Nov 23 02:17:41  actually, that is the same on the emulator...
Nov 23 02:17:43  01d32563348c70ccfeb662daf02fa9b0
Nov 23 02:17:48  Yep, same here too
Nov 23 02:17:52  must be something external
Nov 23 02:18:36  zsoc: I HEARD THAT
Nov 23 02:19:55  kesne, go make another offensive app and charge for it
Nov 23 02:20:10  zsoc: I have a few planned, no worries
Nov 23 02:20:26  zsoc: though yo dawg is only $0.99!
Nov 23 02:20:32  kesne, i would be disappointed if you didn't
Nov 23 02:21:01  thebitguru, you could try grep -r'ing for machineReboot on the emu
Nov 23 02:23:37  although honestly that's probably some binary api
Nov 23 02:25:48  hmm... eh, I guess I'll figure out later.  I finally got a very simple version of my WOL client to work :)
Nov 23 02:25:53  time for a break
Nov 23 02:25:57  zsoc: thanks for the info
Nov 23 02:31:42  Is the URL app catalog hole been fixed?
Nov 23 02:32:43  kesne: what hole?
Nov 23 02:32:53  kmax12: the old one
Nov 23 02:33:08  what's that one?
Nov 23 02:33:16  like where you could install both?
Nov 23 02:33:43  no, like if an app was pulled you could still get it via url
Nov 23 02:34:17  oh, never knew about that
Nov 23 02:34:23  What the hell is Uber Calc?
Nov 23 02:35:13  sounds like a german calculator
Nov 23 02:58:40  I'm looking for some guidance on what stuff to backup on my pre (I have full ssh access from a linux box) before I take it into sprint tomorrow for a new one (busted screen). Specifically, chats, tasks, memos, and [to a lesser extent] settings are what I'm interested in. Any pointers?
Nov 23 02:58:42 * fargo dances o//
Nov 23 02:58:43 * fargo dances \\o
Nov 23 02:58:44 * fargo DANCES \o/
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