**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 24 03:00:00 2009 Nov 24 03:06:27 hey guys any gpu news yet? Nov 24 03:07:23 nope Nov 24 03:07:40 I hate the guy that faked the NFS stuff. Nov 24 03:07:52 Now that's all anyone is going to ask about in the forums and there will be 3000 threads about it. Nov 24 03:08:17 ha damn Nov 24 03:08:25 any guesses? Nov 24 03:08:35 as far as power goes Nov 24 03:08:40 When they code it, it will come. Nov 24 03:08:41 :p Nov 24 03:08:57 Most people's guess is by the end of the year Nov 24 03:09:22 I have a feeling we're going to have a lot of new cool stuff coming the end of the year, and early next year. Nov 24 03:09:57 well with flash coming I would bet they almost need the gpu to make that work right Nov 24 03:10:56 I'm sure it 'could' work without it, but the performance would probably suck. Nov 24 03:11:18 Jack87, you keep addressing me... I think you're confusing me with someone else. Nov 24 03:11:41 sorry samkim i think it was for sampson Nov 24 03:11:49 no prob Nov 24 03:12:28 samkim, i think you came into the room shortly after my first message towards him Nov 24 03:12:39 flash is usually processor dependent... Nov 24 03:12:46 on pcs at least Nov 24 03:12:52 ird: well ya, but people will expect web content and basic games to work right out of the box smoothly Nov 24 03:13:16 I wonder when sprint is going to start cryin about data usage Nov 24 03:13:33 I'm guessing they will be trying to offload the rendering to the gpu Nov 24 03:14:57 Considering the new beta of flash for windows does GPU, I'm pretty sure that's the plan with mobile devices that can support it as well. Nov 24 03:15:19 yep Nov 24 03:15:39 I'm having lackluster results with the linux version though. Nov 24 03:15:50 It doesn't seem any faster or less CPU intensive. Nov 24 03:16:01 ah ok Nov 24 03:16:02 But then again this PC is a few years old. Nov 24 03:16:14 I got it when I was 15 or 16 Nov 24 03:16:16 and I'm 21 now. Nov 24 03:16:36 :) Nov 24 03:17:39 http://gizmodo.com/5411297/motion+sensing-transtube-360-shower-puts-you-on-display Nov 24 03:20:11 And firefox randomly crashes now. Nov 24 03:20:18 when playing flash vids. Nov 24 03:20:25 Firefox has been glitchy for me lately Nov 24 03:20:25 poor fox... Nov 24 03:20:46 I've been using epiphany a lot more. Nov 24 03:20:50 But I don't like the webkit version. Nov 24 03:20:59 No more searching from the address bar :( Nov 24 03:22:07 brb Nov 24 03:23:26 hey as much as I love web os think another linux distro will end up here one day Nov 24 03:28:19 Oh yeah, ubuntu would run great. Nov 24 03:28:21 -.- Nov 24 03:29:19 Maybe android, but that's if anyone decides to port it. Nov 24 03:29:32 lol sarcastic? Nov 24 03:31:21 what the heck is CameraWIP.png? Nov 24 03:32:39 * haeffb_ is looking at webosinternals icons... Nov 24 03:33:19 er.. Nov 24 03:33:29 I always forget how to check things out with git -.- Nov 24 03:35:08 isn't it like svn? Nov 24 03:35:51 I just never use them so I have to learn how again every time I want to. Nov 24 03:36:54 ah Nov 24 03:38:05 ird, clone? Nov 24 03:38:22 yeah, already found that. Nov 24 03:38:22 :) Nov 24 03:38:43 I wish I had learned all about this when I was a teenager and had time to. Nov 24 03:39:00 But I was too busy pirating music and smoking pot. -.- Nov 24 03:39:10 haha Nov 24 03:39:58 zsoc: er... where do I get the address to clone the repo from? Nov 24 03:40:10 er Nov 24 03:40:12 nevermind Nov 24 03:40:16 I was looking at it -.- Nov 24 03:41:22 I really hope webos dominates the smart device market Nov 24 03:42:07 HOW DID THIS GET HERE? Nov 24 03:42:24 Very useful readme :) Nov 24 03:44:34 ird, thank you Nov 24 03:44:50 ird, hey, my other readme's are all informative. right now there's nothing to read for that one :) Nov 24 03:45:05 Can you point me in the right direction as to "test" this? Nov 24 03:46:23 ird, er.. well until rod finishes getting the service packaged (soon?) you can't Nov 24 03:46:30 unless you know how to manually install java services on webos Nov 24 03:46:40 That's the idea. Nov 24 03:46:56 I just need to know where the service goes, and how to start it :p Nov 24 03:47:23 ird, that would be the definition of 'manually install' i suppose :P just wait a few Nov 24 03:47:51 -.- Nov 24 03:47:53 ok Nov 24 03:49:03 besides, the service in the git isn't even compiled into an executable, you'd need a java compiler :P Nov 24 03:49:44 zsoc: http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/all/org.webosinternals.gstservice_0.2.0_all.ipk Nov 24 03:49:59 Oh god, no one install that please Nov 24 03:50:03 really, just wait 1 second Nov 24 03:50:25 er.. Nov 24 03:50:35 when did they change from "castle" to "palm-webos-device"? Nov 24 03:50:40 ird, 1.3.1 Nov 24 03:50:44 WAIT Nov 24 03:50:47 YOU WERE GOING TO INSTALL IT Nov 24 03:51:04 er.. Nov 24 03:51:08 why not? Nov 24 03:53:03 Because I need to test it to 1.) make sure it's the right version and 2.) make sure it doesn't forkbomb your phone :P Nov 24 03:56:56 anyone here that can help with a few quick questions about the new CPU scaling/smartreflex patches? Nov 24 03:58:26 ird, and now especially don't install it because it's missing a necessary binary Nov 24 03:58:47 so don't use them? Nov 24 03:59:16 and does that apply to both the CPU scaling patch AND the smartreflex one? Nov 24 03:59:49 I ask if it applies to both because I had issues witht he scaling patches but the smartreflex seems to be working Nov 24 04:02:53 cryptk: he was talking to someone else about something else :) Nov 24 04:03:19 ahh, thanks Wahots Nov 24 04:03:31 I'm using the smartreflex one Nov 24 04:03:44 cryptk: working does not necessarily mean safe in the long term Nov 24 04:04:17 understandable, that is why i am opting for the 500MHz variants for now Nov 24 04:04:26 ya that too Nov 24 04:04:37 I was mainly going to ask if anyone knows why the scaling patch may cause a hang on bootup Nov 24 04:04:53 I am no stranger to the dangers of running things at higher than recommended speeds Nov 24 04:04:55 to be honest, only Palm can say for sure if they are safe or not. Nov 24 04:04:58 rwhitby: welcome back, I'm using wIRC now, works great even over EVDO Nov 24 04:05:45 I am also very familiar to overclocking in linux and was also wondering if there is a place where the people working on this patch are all talking at Nov 24 04:05:46 cryptk: yes, but other people will do so, break the phone, then take it back to Sprint, who will then tell Palm that homebrew is causing returns, and then Palm will have to take action .. Nov 24 04:06:10 cryptk: jauderho is the patch authro Nov 24 04:06:43 thanks, I will chat with him Nov 24 04:07:06 rwhitby: I already want to get in the code and add stuff to it :P Nov 24 04:07:48 Wahots: talk to PuffTheMagic and oil and egaudet Nov 24 04:08:31 ya I'm in #wirc in another card :P Nov 24 04:10:26 a few more things and I won't need a laptop for anything more then gaming or vpn in to work Nov 24 04:12:03 Wahots: should be able to do vpn on the Pre Nov 24 04:12:25 ssl vpn? Nov 24 04:14:05 is there a vpn hack out there somewhere? Nov 24 04:14:25 rwhitby: I noticed the preware changelog says "fix for recurring splashscreen".. is that where the changelog displays each start? Nov 24 04:14:38 lol Nov 24 04:14:46 or oil.. Nov 24 04:14:49 dBsooner-Pre: no, that one was for the first-use splash screen ;-) Nov 24 04:15:08 dBsooner-Pre: oil's done another fix for the changelog screen ;-) Nov 24 04:15:18 I really want to talk more, but I need to sleep :) I'll be on tomorrow - good night all Nov 24 04:15:31 ohh.. ok. so THAT's the diff. splash = first use, changelog = afterwards. Nov 24 04:16:00 * rwhitby dBsooner-Pre actually, they are the same - we just missed a case :-) Nov 24 04:16:12 hehehe.. ok Nov 24 04:17:12 rwhitby, seriously, i'm glad you're doing all the hard stuff Nov 24 04:17:32 debugging bad java is _FUN_ compared to this packaging garbage Nov 24 04:18:16 so if I turn off the screen, does wirc break? Nov 24 04:18:40 rwhitby, LOL i versioned wrong Nov 24 04:19:51 aaaannnd it rejected the fix, wtf Nov 24 04:20:28 oh Nov 24 04:20:29 dBsooner if you Nov 24 04:20:31 you're working on it Nov 24 04:20:32 i see Nov 24 04:20:34 you're on wifi: yes Nov 24 04:20:38 evdo stays connected Nov 24 04:20:46 doh... Nov 24 04:20:52 lol 0.2.2, nice Nov 24 04:20:53 * dBsooner-Pre hates wifi Nov 24 04:21:18 I should set wirc to ppp0 Nov 24 04:22:44 dBsooner, good thing you have that option Nov 24 04:22:53 :) Nov 24 04:25:12 rwhitby, 'the service is now called...' is not entirely accurate... :> Nov 24 04:26:19 zsoc: don't get what you're referring to, sorry? Nov 24 04:27:00 rwhitby, you seem to reference gst-launch as a service, that might upset some of the guys in #gstreamer ;) Nov 24 04:27:34 unless that has nothing to do with the static path we gave the binary Nov 24 04:28:16 oh i get it now Nov 24 04:28:27 stop doing things and things and then waiting for me to figure it out on my own Nov 24 04:28:39 it'd be less depressing if you just called me an idiot before I realized it P Nov 24 04:29:55 zsoc: http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/armv7/org.webosinternals.gstservice_0.2.2_armv7.ipk Nov 24 04:30:05 ok, now lets see what this breaks shall we? Nov 24 04:31:19 so, out of curiosity, what are you guys working on atm? Nov 24 04:31:35 I am following the convo for my own learning but I came in late so it is all out of context Nov 24 04:31:48 cryptk, no no, it's out of context for everyone Nov 24 04:32:05 rwhitby, oh you won't believe this Nov 24 04:32:12 ahh, haha Nov 24 04:32:17 some super secret project? Nov 24 04:32:24 cryptk, no secrets Nov 24 04:32:41 cryptk: they're working on the camcorder service. Nov 24 04:32:56 ahh, nice Nov 24 04:33:27 hmmm Nov 24 04:33:41 if you guys need anyone to volunteer for testing, my pre is available to be used for whatever code you guys come up with Nov 24 04:33:53 cryptk, heh, you don't mean that Nov 24 04:34:39 rwhitby, something's very broken Nov 24 04:34:42 oh, but I do. I am a linux guy through and through (hence getting a pre) I doubt you guys can come up with anything that will break it that I haven't already tried much worse Nov 24 04:34:52 and I am ok with having to doctor if something go's wrong Nov 24 04:36:00 zsoc: what's happening? Nov 24 04:36:46 my latest project is building a touchstone into the top of my computer case... molded in with fiberglass... pics will come on precentral when it is finished, lol Nov 24 04:37:31 more of a hardware thing than a software mod, I know, but still cool and pre-oriented Nov 24 04:37:32 cryptk, I've been wanting to build one into the bezel of my laptop Nov 24 04:38:05 that would be pretty sweet also, on a laptop though I would worry about the proximity of the magnets to the hardware, there wouldn't be much seperation... Nov 24 04:38:10 rwhitby, it's difficult to describe without you being familiar with the service Nov 24 04:38:30 zsoc: ok, as long as it's not a packaging problem ;-) Nov 24 04:38:55 rwhitby, uh.. i don't _think_ so Nov 24 04:38:59 give me.. 3 minutes Nov 24 04:39:38 pm Nov 24 04:40:22 -.- Nov 24 04:43:08 cryptk, the laptop i'd do it on has an SSD instead of a magnetic drive Nov 24 04:43:32 ahh, that would solve the majority of the magnet issues Nov 24 04:43:45 zsoc: http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/armv7/org.webosinternals.gstservice_0.2.3_armv7.ipk Nov 24 04:44:01 aye, and the aspire one has a good deal of open space in the lid as well as the chassis Nov 24 04:44:16 and there is a decent amount of space that can be saved if you take the touchstone apart (I took mine apart about 10 minutes after I tried it out, lol...) Nov 24 04:45:16 too bad oil isn't on... I have a good idea for preware that I want to throw at him... he is the one who wrote it right? Nov 24 04:45:24 yeah, i havent had my hands on one yet, but i know that the spare constraints are small Nov 24 04:46:18 cryptk, spout the idea here, it may not directly involve him depending... Nov 24 04:46:26 the magnets can also be replaced with smaller ones if you are careful about locating them properly... granted it won't hold the phone in place as well though, and the magnets in them aren't that big anyway so there isn't that much space to be saved there. Nov 24 04:47:02 ok, I was thinking it would be nice if preware would place somewhere on the media partition a simple file listing all of your installed packages. Then you could copy this file somewhere on your computer Nov 24 04:47:12 there is enough room in the lid/bezel of the aspire one to fit thumb drives Nov 24 04:47:26 then if you have to doctor or replace your phone preware could use that file to autopate the installation of everything you had installed previously Nov 24 04:47:47 kind of a simple backup of installed packages and patched Nov 24 04:47:49 patches* Nov 24 04:47:52 cryptk: you have a high power USB port, or are you going to wire in a 5v 1a power supply to usb with the data pins shorted? Nov 24 04:48:06 cryptk, that could be possible, maemo's package manager has something similar Nov 24 04:48:14 destinal, some laptops have high powered usb ports? Nov 24 04:48:17 cryptk: you could make a molex to usb adapter Nov 24 04:48:22 cryptk: you've just described "Persistent Configuration", something on the roadmap already :-) Nov 24 04:48:30 awesome Nov 24 04:48:39 cryptk, yeah, read the map silly ;) Nov 24 04:48:45 I am going to be running a full power USB line to the touchstone Nov 24 04:48:53 rwhitby, oh? not calling it "Preware Profile" anymore? ;) Nov 24 04:48:59 cryptk: egaudet is also working on an upgrade of Autopatch which would make the reinstall automatically upgrade the patches Nov 24 04:49:13 and building in a usb port into the case right behind the molded in touchstone to use for connecting the phone if I need to transfer data Nov 24 04:49:14 zsoc: Preware Profile uploads it to a server Nov 24 04:49:23 cryptk: but, from where, is the question. an AC to DC adapter or a more elegant solution from the power supply? Nov 24 04:49:46 I am going to be pulling it right from one of the USB headers on the motherboard Nov 24 04:49:50 that way it is all internal Nov 24 04:50:06 this is going on a desktop so it is easy to do Nov 24 04:50:07 cryptk: probably not enough power unless you have a high power port Nov 24 04:50:15 cryptk: standard ports can only do 500ma Nov 24 04:50:19 rwhitby, uh, it works.. sort of Nov 24 04:50:34 cryptk: touchstone needs 1000ma (1 amp) Nov 24 04:50:37 I am going to be using one of the USB expansion slot things that came with the motherboard and just modifying it to lenghten the wires Nov 24 04:50:47 yep, my MB will supply it Nov 24 04:50:56 cryptk: hmm, must be a very new mobo Nov 24 04:51:00 already modded the MB to do that Nov 24 04:51:02 ah Nov 24 04:51:09 nope, I am good with a soldering iron Nov 24 04:51:31 nothing a paperclip soldered to a motherboard can't fix ... Nov 24 04:51:35 my MB has 3 USB headers on it, so i modified one, that one will be for touchstone use only Nov 24 04:51:41 rwhitby: or break :) Nov 24 04:51:45 haha Nov 24 04:51:53 whats good. Nov 24 04:52:04 just replaced a couple things on the mobo to increase the voltage to that USB header Nov 24 04:52:09 my aspire one still has 2 usb headers open Nov 24 04:52:35 cryptk: aha. I would think you'd have to cut the data connections and tie them together otherwise it would try to negotiate load and fail Nov 24 04:52:42 on a laptop it would probably be a little harder to do... Nov 24 04:52:46 oc80z_: gstservice Nov 24 04:53:12 I am only using the power feeds on that USB header, no data will be transferred through it Nov 24 04:53:41 cryptk: right but if you don't solder d+ to d- on the cable or port, it won't recognize 1000ma and will draw les Nov 24 04:53:42 less Nov 24 04:53:43 USB header 1 handles all the USB ports on the comp including the one I am going to use for transferring data to/from the pre Nov 24 04:53:57 already handled that when i modded the USB header Nov 24 04:54:10 cryptk: cool, sounds like you're set then Nov 24 04:54:18 so nothing special needs to eb done to the USB cable Nov 24 04:54:30 yep, tested it with a voltmeter this morning Nov 24 04:54:31 cryptk: definitely interested in seeing the casemod pics when you're done Nov 24 04:54:55 will do... I am also going to be working on something to make the radiator look a little cleaner also Nov 24 04:55:21 just shy of a gallon of water flows through my computer Nov 24 04:55:26 destinal: so if I have a high-power USB hub on my desk here, what do I need to do to make it support the touchstone? just short the two data lines together? Nov 24 04:56:11 if it is a high power USB hub you should be good to just plug in the touchstone but it varies from hub to hub Nov 24 04:56:12 rwhitby: depends. I *think* it should auto-negotiate that if it uses the newest charging spec. check dmesg on the device to see what it reports after being plugged in Nov 24 04:56:12 hmm.. i hate troubleshooting things that don't work Nov 24 04:56:13 destinal: BTW, do you know the specific monoprice part number for the micro-usb cables that fit in the touchstone opening? Nov 24 04:56:28 you can test it by checking the power pins with a volt meter Nov 24 04:57:06 if it doesn't then bridging the data lines will do the trick Nov 24 04:57:17 would = should actually Nov 24 04:57:28 rwhitby: it'll report the negotiated draw in dmesg when plugged in. if you had to, you could short the data pins, (and cut them on the hub side) Nov 24 04:57:46 but yeah, what cryptk said :) Nov 24 04:58:01 destinal: I know that it doesn't work now, so I guess I need to short the data pins. Nov 24 04:58:18 sounds like it Nov 24 04:59:07 just don't short the power pins by accident Nov 24 04:59:08 rwhitby: ah, do yeah, cut them from the hub chip and short em together and you should be good (as long as the hub really can supply 1a) Nov 24 04:59:08 s/do/so/ Nov 24 04:59:08 destinal meant: rwhitby: ah, so yeah, cut them from the hub chip and short em together and you should be good (as long as the hub really can supply 1a) Nov 24 04:59:26 anyone know the specific monoprice part number for the micro-usb cables that fit in the touchstone opening? Nov 24 05:00:09 from http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10303 ? Nov 24 05:00:12 rwhitby: didn't know there were any, I've heard a lot of people shaving them Nov 24 05:00:47 the magic of dremel :) Nov 24 05:01:05 count me as interested in said part number as well, then, if there is one Nov 24 05:01:32 yeah, http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=103&cp_id=10303&cs_id=1030307&p_id=5137&seq=1&format=1#largeimage looks a bit tall Nov 24 05:02:37 rwhitby, ok, everything working good. it just seems to be haunted by that 'first 2 times it doesn't work' bug i've seen on every new device i've tried it on. i think it's an initialization thing. Nov 24 05:04:26 I got one of these and the "PDA" port charges my pre at 1A. I've thought of soldering a connector for a 12v wall wart on it. http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.12928 Nov 24 05:04:43 haven't tried touchstone on it but I expect it'll work Nov 24 05:05:43 I've noticed a lot of so-called 1A max chargers can't really supply 1A. Nov 24 05:06:08 rwhitby, I bought several different length micro usb cables from monoprice including that one . they all have the same thick plug which needed to be shaved down to fit into the touchstone Nov 24 05:06:34 rwhitby, did you look at the one just below that on monoprice, it looks a tad smaller Nov 24 05:07:02 http://cgi.ebay.com/Palm-Pre-OEM-AC-Wall-Home-Travel-Charger-Micro-USB_W0QQitemZ300368219471QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPDA_Accessories?hash=item45ef574d4f - $10 OEM ? Nov 24 05:07:21 bpadalino: wow, that's cheap for OEM Nov 24 05:08:14 bpadalino: precentral has one with an australian plug Nov 24 05:08:20 ah, nice Nov 24 05:08:21 cryptk: good spotting Nov 24 05:08:52 doesn't look much smaller, but it does look jsut a tad tinier Nov 24 05:09:20 at very least it's less to shave if it still needs it Nov 24 05:09:21 nope, got that one too. it's too thick for touchstone as is Nov 24 05:09:21 :) Nov 24 05:10:02 * rwhitby needs http://store.precentral.net/palm-travel-charger/5A17A5629.htm Nov 24 05:10:44 rwhitby: yeah, $20 US more to get the AU plug? ouch Nov 24 05:10:48 bah $25 shipping from PreCentral Nov 24 05:10:54 I just came up with another idea for preware Nov 24 05:11:30 if you go into the patches section and make some kind of a change (install or remove a patch), when you back out of the patches section have it give you the option to reset Nov 24 05:11:59 also, a wat to reset the phone from the preware menu would be nice too (with confirmation of course) Nov 24 05:12:26 rwhitby: just get a regular wall wart that can supply 1a, I'm thinking. Nov 24 05:12:53 (5v, solder on a micro usb cable and short d+ to d-, and you're done) Nov 24 05:13:00 anything that doesn't put out 1a can be made to do it with 15 minutes, a soldering iron and the right parts Nov 24 05:13:29 the shorting of the data pins can also be done inside the cable if you would prefer to not modify the wall wart Nov 24 05:13:47 and again can be done = should be able to be done, lol Nov 24 05:13:57 cryptk: uh, things that can't supply 1a being made to? how so? you mean altering the power supply circuitry? just shorting won't do there Nov 24 05:14:31 yeah, it would require changing of capacitors and resistors Nov 24 05:14:36 *nods* Nov 24 05:14:38 perhaps a little more Nov 24 05:14:45 I think it depends, some of them are IC based Nov 24 05:14:58 but the MB mod that I did I was able to get away with changing just a single resistor Nov 24 05:15:02 then you're probably SOL if the datasheet doesn't provide a mo0de Nov 24 05:15:04 mode Nov 24 05:15:23 yes, it requires a little looking around to find what needs to be changed Nov 24 05:17:04 cryptk: one of the ones I bought had a MC34063A chip inside, which although it lists 1A on the power supply I bought, if you read the datasheet it can't do 5v 1a within the proper tolerance Nov 24 05:17:34 some hong kong company glanced at the datasheet too fast, saw 1A, and thought "ship it", I think Nov 24 05:17:36 haha, gotta love the "conditional" advertising Nov 24 05:17:43 haha Nov 24 05:20:56 cryptk: now some of the cheaper ones (non-integrated) could be modified, but I glance at a bridge rectifier or wound oscillators and such and my eyes glace over. simple circuits and digital logic I'm fine with, but I have much to learn in other areas Nov 24 05:21:11 s/lac/laz/ Nov 24 05:21:12 destinal meant: cryptk: now some of the cheaper ones (non-integrated) could be modified, but I glance at a bridge rectifier or wound oscillators and such and my eyes glaze over. simple circuits and digital logic I'm fine with, but I have much to learn in other areas Nov 24 05:24:57 I did alot of research before I modded my MB, partially cause I didn't want to fubar it and partially cause my MB is a PITA to take out of the computer Nov 24 05:24:57 the case is packed full of 1/2" Tygon tubing... Nov 24 05:24:57 http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb50/crypt1029/computer/img067.jpg Nov 24 05:26:32 cryptk: nice. Nov 24 05:27:05 cryptk: does that happen to be an electrically non-conductive liquid? :) Nov 24 05:27:16 well, kind of Nov 24 05:27:26 it is distilled, deionized water Nov 24 05:27:47 ah, but if it happens to wash any mineral content off something it hits, it could short something, then Nov 24 05:27:59 deionized water is non-conductive if it is perfectly clean/pure... but pretty much once you expose it to air, dust get in it and it is conductive again Nov 24 05:28:17 is/get/gets Nov 24 05:28:21 s/get/gets Nov 24 05:28:33 argh... I even typo fixing my typo... Nov 24 05:28:53 so it's a good extra step but not foolproof, you still really hope nothing leaks Nov 24 05:29:28 yeah, but I use good clamps, high quality fittings... good o-rings on all threaded connections Nov 24 05:30:02 I built one a few weeks ago for someone that did use a non-conductive liquid for cooling though Nov 24 05:30:11 mineral oil submerged computer Nov 24 05:31:05 cryptk: ah. cool. the mineral oil gets a little pricey, and I think I'd worry about hard drives over time, but that would be a sweet setup. I've heard of people using vegetable oil (which is of course dumb, but cool until the veg oil goes rancid) Nov 24 05:31:06 I tried that once with veggie oil... made my room smell like a mcdonalds. Nov 24 05:31:22 If I have an inline function as a parameter, does it automatically get the 'this' keyword bound? Nov 24 05:31:41 preston_wirc: hehe, yeah I don't think you can keep it from decay, alas. Nov 24 05:32:09 destinal: anything with moving parts does not get put in the oil Nov 24 05:32:47 I figured that would be the case, but after an article on toms hardware, I just had to try it. Nov 24 05:33:04 cryptk: well, if you had a solid state disk you could immerse absolutely everything in it and any fans will do a nice job of swirling things around until they die :) Nov 24 05:33:06 you can put fans in the oil no problem, but hard drives won't work in it... nor will they ever work again if you put them in there... now a SSD could be placed in teh oil though, no moving parts there Nov 24 05:33:20 the fans won't die, that is a big misconception Nov 24 05:33:46 cryptk: ah, I figured the extra pressure would increase the physical load beyond what they were rated for Nov 24 05:33:49 everyone thinks that they will die from excess heat from them having to work harder to spin... they are cooled by the oil so the excess heat isn't a problem Nov 24 05:34:11 as long as you use brushless mag drive fans it isn't a problem Nov 24 05:34:17 * oil cools Nov 24 05:34:22 which any decent computer fan is a brushless mag drive Nov 24 05:34:25 right, brushless would be the way to go Nov 24 05:34:31 guys i have a quick question about novacom Nov 24 05:34:36 can anyone help Nov 24 05:34:55 yeah, brush motors are noisy and wear out, you would actually have to try kinda hard to find a computer fan that uses a brush motor Nov 24 05:35:02 oil: hehe Nov 24 05:35:04 where can I get cheap ir reflective paint? Nov 24 05:35:09 shoot flazer, whats your question Nov 24 05:35:25 i just reformatted my box Nov 24 05:35:34 and i can't for the life of me remember how i got the damn thing working last time Nov 24 05:35:35 what do you need ir reflective paint for??? just use glass, that reflects IR Nov 24 05:35:44 after i dpkg -i --force-architecture Nov 24 05:35:49 the novacom package Nov 24 05:35:52 itl'l install Nov 24 05:36:03 but i get this error Nov 24 05:36:06 /var/lib/dpkg/info/palm-novacom.postinst: line 30: stop: command not found Nov 24 05:36:06 /var/lib/dpkg/info/palm-novacom.postinst: line 33: start: command not found Nov 24 05:36:15 now that seems to me like a linux system error Nov 24 05:36:20 flazer: I take it you're not running ubuntu? Nov 24 05:36:23 do i need a start/stop daemon Nov 24 05:36:26 no debian Nov 24 05:36:31 i've had it working on here in the past Nov 24 05:36:36 but i must be missing a package Nov 24 05:36:40 flazer: yeah but the service start scripts are no good Nov 24 05:36:46 flazer: they use upstart Nov 24 05:36:59 flazer: just run novacomd by hand Nov 24 05:37:00 i did a really light install this time so i'm sure there are things not there Nov 24 05:37:13 I made an ir based touch table and I want to paint the palm logo on my pre so it will know when I set the pre on the screen. Nov 24 05:37:30 novacomd then you're saying? Nov 24 05:37:37 do i have to start it in initr.d? Nov 24 05:37:38 ahh, pretty sweet preston. Nov 24 05:37:49 use automotive grade clear coat Nov 24 05:38:05 that reflects some IR to help the paint underneath hold up to the sun Nov 24 05:38:14 flazer: it doesn't come with an initrc Nov 24 05:38:30 flazer: you can make one, or just start it by hand by manually typing the path to the binary Nov 24 05:39:23 that's a good idea. it's pretty sensitive to any object that touches it, so I just need enough reflection to pick up the letters on the logo. Nov 24 05:39:24 flazer: sudo /opt/Palm/novacom/novacomd & should do it for the short term Nov 24 05:40:24 yeah, the auto clear coat should do enough for that Nov 24 05:41:22 make sure it is automotive grade though, the clear coat in a spray can doesn't reflect IR anywhere near as well Nov 24 05:41:37 although if your setup is sensative enough it may work, would be worth a shot Nov 24 05:41:56 destinal: thanks so much Nov 24 05:41:57 :] Nov 24 05:42:10 flazer: anytime. :) Nov 24 05:42:11 root@palm-webos-device:/# Nov 24 05:42:17 ps: not a fan of that new hostname Nov 24 05:42:20 preston_wirc: do you have anything on the internet about this IR touch table? I am curious about it now, lol Nov 24 05:42:43 me either -- you can probably change it with no ill effects (I think it's only the emulator that requires a certain hostname) Nov 24 05:42:44 flazer, so change it back Nov 24 05:43:36 i will Nov 24 05:43:42 i'm just glad to have gotten back on Nov 24 05:43:50 i need to pay a visit to the doctor methinks Nov 24 05:44:18 I don't have anything of my own work, but most of it is based off the forums here: http://nuigroup.com/ . it's a popular hobby. Nov 24 05:44:29 flazer, have you tried canuck's repair utility? Nov 24 05:44:30 and easy to do. Nov 24 05:45:06 no not yet i haven't even heard of that tbh Nov 24 05:45:13 i kind of wanted a fresh install though Nov 24 05:45:39 bc my 1.3.1 installed overnight one night when i didn't intend it to Nov 24 05:45:48 and it's been laggy ever since Nov 24 05:45:49 ahh Nov 24 05:45:52 i had a bunch of patches on Nov 24 05:46:00 i think it'd just be better to wipe and go from there Nov 24 05:46:06 try running the EPR and then follow that up with the repair utility and see if that fixes any issues Nov 24 05:46:27 I would be willing to bet EPR + WOSRepair would fix it up Nov 24 05:46:39 but i lost all my ringtones too Nov 24 05:46:41 as in Nov 24 05:46:43 the default ones Nov 24 05:46:46 only Pre is left Nov 24 05:46:47 which i hate Nov 24 05:46:51 lol Nov 24 05:47:09 i actually prefer the clean-wipe to anything else Nov 24 05:47:16 let's me know where i'm standing Nov 24 05:47:55 so i have been considering writing a program to build a custom Doctor based on the files on your phone Nov 24 05:48:18 so you could doctor your phone, get it all patched and set up, then basically make a custom doctor to restore it to that exact state... Nov 24 05:48:20 o.0 Nov 24 05:48:25 cryptk: add a variable in meta-doctor which takes a tarball as a value Nov 24 05:48:28 just an idea I have been throwing around Nov 24 05:48:30 that would be cool Nov 24 05:48:55 you'd just have to make sure it could stay up to date with the repo's Nov 24 05:49:01 those damn things change so much lol Nov 24 05:49:46 cryptk: do a program which creates a tarball of just the extra stuff, with the right path names from /, and I will add support in meta-doctor for including the tarball Nov 24 05:50:48 sounds good, seems like I should ask Jason with canuck software if I can borrow some code from his repair utility to do the file comparisons to find the modified stuff Nov 24 05:52:06 welp, i'm off to the doctor Nov 24 05:53:24 brb, gonna reboot into my developement OS... Nov 24 05:53:30 ps my brother bought a droid today Nov 24 05:53:44 but the guy at the vzw store still asked if he could look at my pre Nov 24 05:53:46 lolol Nov 24 05:54:24 * zsoc prefers to chroot into his development OS Nov 24 05:54:59 * rwhitby prefers move mouse into window of development OS Nov 24 05:55:12 my developement OS has a completely different everything Nov 24 05:55:42 * zsoc prefers if rwhitby didn't have to always go around 1-upping him at everything ;) Nov 24 05:55:54 chroot is great if I only want things on the command line to change Nov 24 05:56:40 * cryptk prefers to just push the button on the computer beside him and tap the button on his KVM to swap to his developement OS Nov 24 05:56:40 zsoc: I'm just the packaging monkey for your tools .... Nov 24 05:57:28 rwhitby, only monkeys eat banana's correctly Nov 24 05:57:42 whoa Nov 24 05:57:55 why is that powerflex in there? Nov 24 05:58:14 obsoleeet? lulz. Nov 24 05:58:19 hrm.... now here is a new one... all of my apps fromt eh catalog have disappeared, the catalog is not showing them as installed... when I try to reinstall them it downloads them, flashes tap to launch briefly, then changes to download again for free... Nov 24 05:58:40 oc80z_: check the "Dangerous" category Nov 24 05:58:59 weak, are they OK for youtube/video yet?? Nov 24 05:59:14 just need an on-the-fly cpu patch/scale Nov 24 06:00:21 So, who's up for some Precorder alpha testing, courtesy of zsoc ? Nov 24 06:00:30 lets do it Nov 24 06:00:42 i got 6 hours to burn.. Nov 24 06:00:46 That's a long video Nov 24 06:00:48 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/armv7/org.webosinternals.gstservice_0.2.3_armv7.ipk and http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/all/org.webosinternals.precorder_0.2.0_all.ipk Nov 24 06:00:52 I'm not 100% sure what the buffer run is Nov 24 06:00:59 thanks Nov 24 06:01:07 if you don't know how to use those, you've not ready for alpha testing ;-) Nov 24 06:01:11 Actually, someone please just leave it on recording and see how long it goes ;) (although not with the video light on, might burn out the led) Nov 24 06:01:29 Also, it might break your phone anyway, because rod didn't let me test enough before packaging ;) :P :P Nov 24 06:01:42 zsoc: heh, I completely missed the Prefs menu :-) Nov 24 06:02:23 now I see the flash works :-) Nov 24 06:03:09 Yeah, those were the options I was talking about breaking someone's phone lol Nov 24 06:03:46 gstservice? Nov 24 06:04:02 https://twitter.com/webosinternals/status/6000796662 Nov 24 06:04:37 flip mode squad Nov 24 06:04:54 zsoc, good job on the gstservice Nov 24 06:04:57 pretty slick Nov 24 06:05:03 where is this gstservice, on the git? Nov 24 06:05:13 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/armv7/org.webosinternals.gstservice_0.2.3_armv7.ipk and http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/all/org.webosinternals.precorder_0.2.0_all.ipk Nov 24 06:05:22 rwitby, just installed the ipk's I am assuming those 2 are the only ones needed? Nov 24 06:05:39 I cheated and just added the testing url's to my preware feed :) Nov 24 06:05:40 cryptk: yep, don't forget the postinst on gstservice Nov 24 06:05:48 I am gonna play with it some now and then right before I go to sleep I will start it recording and see how long it went for when i wake up Nov 24 06:05:53 destinal: did the dependency work? Nov 24 06:05:58 rwhitby: yes Nov 24 06:06:13 ahhh Nov 24 06:06:16 i had this, the gstreamer Nov 24 06:06:44 bpadalino, slick isn't an adjective I'd use Nov 24 06:07:09 what would you prefer ? Nov 24 06:07:30 after a quick test, it does indeed record video, and the video app sees it and plays it back Nov 24 06:07:41 destinal, did it install ok? before i boot back into windows to use webos installer Nov 24 06:07:58 via preware Nov 24 06:08:12 MiX-ToP: yeah, I just edited the file and added the URL's, then ipkg -o /var update then went into preware Nov 24 06:08:19 killin me Nov 24 06:08:19 # 0.9.2 Removed installation of git and quilt. Will be a separate script (rwhitby) Nov 24 06:08:21 :D Nov 24 06:08:32 :) Nov 24 06:08:33 thx bout to try it now Nov 24 06:09:25 I am guessing atm it only does video right? Nov 24 06:09:37 Just so everyone knows, the name 'Pre'corder is supposed to be the recorder that will be available before Palm releases their official one :P Nov 24 06:09:38 * oc80z_ fetching git :/ Nov 24 06:10:05 zsoc: nice play on words there... Nov 24 06:10:10 audio, video, either or .. Nov 24 06:10:16 cryptk, yeah, i could make a method to sink to .wav, not sure how good it would work, but it should. Nov 24 06:10:26 bah.. gonna have to go into windows Nov 24 06:10:32 cryptk, er, well it's important to understand the 'Pre' is not as in Palm Pre :) Nov 24 06:10:47 unless someone can point me to a howto for ubuntu and the pre :) Nov 24 06:10:54 video seems nice and smooth Nov 24 06:11:08 Just like Pre ware isn't ware for pre but before the ware is ware.. or something Nov 24 06:11:31 MiX-ToP, what how to? it Just Works Nov 24 06:11:44 MiX-ToP, install novacom :) Nov 24 06:11:44 hmmm Nov 24 06:11:51 destinal: applications before they are ready for the app catalog (or before the app catalog is ready for them) Nov 24 06:11:58 cryptk, yeah, video light is in the preferences, audio should be synced fairly well Nov 24 06:12:18 ahh nice.. guess i should of googled :) Nov 24 06:12:19 brb Nov 24 06:13:02 MiX-ToP, if you have ubuntu 9.10 you need a special build Nov 24 06:13:03 giyf Nov 24 06:13:10 googled it you for? Nov 24 06:13:27 ahh, I thought it didn't do audio, but that was just because the room was really quiet... just tried it again and talked a little, seems pretty well synced Nov 24 06:13:31 zsoc, thats what im looking for now Nov 24 06:13:32 oh, ha, nm Nov 24 06:13:34 rwhitby: yeah, something like that. we had a fortunate double play on the pre name :) Nov 24 06:13:42 oc80z, lmgtfy :) Nov 24 06:13:48 thats the one i use.. heh Nov 24 06:14:05 so, what is up with the greyed out launch button? Nov 24 06:14:08 does anyone know what the line over the e is supposed to be in Palm's device's name? Nov 24 06:14:19 macro Nov 24 06:14:23 MiX-ToP, http://www.codemonkies.net/linux/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/palm-novacom_0.3-svn177284-hud9_debian_i3861.deb Nov 24 06:14:32 cryptk, it's an alpha :P Nov 24 06:14:36 JayCanuck, WHY HELLO THAR Nov 24 06:15:01 JayCanuck, app is in testing feed, couldn't find you on gtalk Nov 24 06:15:23 zsoc, didn't leave an offline message either ;) Nov 24 06:15:27 zsoc, that will work for 9.10? Nov 24 06:15:31 Oh, i keep forgetting i can go that Nov 24 06:15:38 MiX-ToP, yeah, that linked installable is packaged for 9.10 Nov 24 06:15:44 sweet Nov 24 06:16:22 had to install the video swipe delete patch... lol I never used the video app before so I have no clue how you are supposed to delete them... HAHA Nov 24 06:16:44 OK, how do I find out what the issue is here? error: Error: Cannot read property 'apply' of undefined, line undefined, file undefined Nov 24 06:16:46 arg Nov 24 06:17:21 precorder seems to be working great so far. a live viewfinder would be nice, but it is an alpha after all Nov 24 06:18:07 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Precorder Nov 24 06:18:25 Please add usage instructions on that page. Nov 24 06:18:30 hey destinal: thanks again mission accomplished Nov 24 06:18:34 Doesn't work for me :( Nov 24 06:18:37 maybe reboot. Nov 24 06:18:45 flazer: awesome Nov 24 06:18:50 yw Nov 24 06:19:31 the line over the e in Pre is a symbol to denote that it makes a long e sound Nov 24 06:19:34 ird: what did you use to install it? Nov 24 06:19:36 incase no one answered that Nov 24 06:19:47 webos quick install. Nov 24 06:20:02 should I do it another way? Nov 24 06:20:26 ird, did you install the gstreamer service first? Nov 24 06:20:34 then the precorder app Nov 24 06:21:30 nice Nov 24 06:23:36 this dsl is junk, send a bin or ill be back at 5am to say kickass thanks for the app & time spent , where can i donate ;] Nov 24 06:23:55 oc80z_: http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/armv7/org.webosinternals.gstservice_0.2.3_armv7.ipk and http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/all/org.webosinternals.precorder_0.2.0_all.ipk Nov 24 06:24:38 arg throw me a feed Nov 24 06:24:57 http://webos.pastebin.com/d7159705a Nov 24 06:24:58 for the gstreamer binz Nov 24 06:25:12 oc80z_: they're in the gstservice ipkg Nov 24 06:25:26 (that's why it's armv7, not all) Nov 24 06:25:40 precorder link no working Nov 24 06:26:00 not Nov 24 06:26:01 errr testing feed Nov 24 06:26:04 rwhitby, do you have anyone working on the wiki page for this yet? Nov 24 06:26:18 cryptk: it's a wiki - go for it Nov 24 06:26:24 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Precorder Nov 24 06:26:46 sounds good, I am gonna go grab a smoke and see if I can't hack out some basic install and usage stuff for it Nov 24 06:26:46 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/testing??? Nov 24 06:27:04 oc80z_: http://webos.pastebin.com/d7159705a Nov 24 06:27:14 btw, a button to launch the video app from within precorder would be nice Nov 24 06:27:51 27 minutes. a new record Nov 24 06:28:05 (from alpha release to first feature request ;-) Nov 24 06:28:32 cryptk, button is there, doesn't work Nov 24 06:28:36 so take that Nov 24 06:28:43 hehe Nov 24 06:28:49 yea Nov 24 06:29:01 man fuck palm's cloud service Nov 24 06:29:03 "Patches Welcome" ;-) Nov 24 06:29:06 second time i lost all my numbers Nov 24 06:29:10 ridiculous Nov 24 06:29:20 im about to rage Nov 24 06:29:49 its cool flazer have faith Nov 24 06:29:49 sounds like you are already enraged Nov 24 06:29:55 running the wrong version of the doctor flazer? Nov 24 06:30:01 1.3.1 Nov 24 06:30:03 :) just rescue, Nov 24 06:30:05 Can someone please help me with an issue? http://www.pastethat.com/lNwKb Nov 24 06:30:06 and make a new account Nov 24 06:30:07 is the right version Nov 24 06:30:13 but i signed in Nov 24 06:30:18 and dont add the account info Nov 24 06:30:19 and it says my palm profile only has 11 contacts Nov 24 06:30:23 there is documentation of it Nov 24 06:30:27 what happened to the other 90 Nov 24 06:30:36 if i hit backup Nov 24 06:30:39 to sync it to their cloud Nov 24 06:30:43 it should still be on there Nov 24 06:30:48 Where do I get in line for alpha testing Precorder? Nov 24 06:30:51 i wish they'd have an online service Nov 24 06:30:54 oh god Nov 24 06:30:55 http based Nov 24 06:30:58 i don't want to be here for this Nov 24 06:30:59 so i could SEE what's on there Nov 24 06:31:00 what have i done? Nov 24 06:31:09 i mean it's not that big of a deal Nov 24 06:31:14 zsoc: I'm leaving in about 5 minutes too :-) Nov 24 06:31:17 i just have to re-enter a fuckton of numbers Nov 24 06:31:34 zsoc: it's called pulling the pin, throwing it into the room, and shutting the door behind you .... Nov 24 06:31:49 so how do i recover these? Nov 24 06:31:51 urban warfare Nov 24 06:32:20 zsoc: the trick is, we've now seeded about 10 alpha testers, who will help anyone else who comes in here. Nov 24 06:32:29 zsoc: we get to sit back and watch. Nov 24 06:32:31 not much to help with, heh Nov 24 06:32:47 anyone have any idea what triton is ? Nov 24 06:33:05 er. Nov 24 06:33:15 ah Nov 24 06:33:32 rdub, was lookn for that gstservice ipkg, eclipse is a few hrs to dl.. Nov 24 06:33:32 So I guess I am late for Precorder Nov 24 06:33:44 or a bin Nov 24 06:33:53 or a *shrug* bone Nov 24 06:33:54 flazer, corrupted backup on palms side Nov 24 06:34:03 this is the second time Nov 24 06:34:03 just got done reading a forum somewhere about it Nov 24 06:34:17 and it's my own fault for not backing up onto my hdd Nov 24 06:34:21 but gahd Nov 24 06:34:24 what a pain :\ Nov 24 06:34:25 soultion... dont use pre's backup :D Nov 24 06:34:41 Love irc backup Nov 24 06:34:44 ah nm Nov 24 06:34:50 lol... Nov 24 06:34:52 oc80z_: I've given you the two ipkg URLs three times now Nov 24 06:34:52 thats rwhitby i used my vision to find it Nov 24 06:34:55 that's not really a solution Nov 24 06:34:56 aye Nov 24 06:34:57 ;] Nov 24 06:35:04 gimmie a break plz Nov 24 06:35:05 heh Nov 24 06:35:08 that was one of the features i enjoyed of this Nov 24 06:35:15 im on 4 or 5 nyqill with H1N1 virii Nov 24 06:35:23 i use google for all the contacts Nov 24 06:35:25 :( Nov 24 06:35:28 and back them up from there Nov 24 06:35:40 oc80z_: at least now you can document the symptoms using the Pre ... ;-) Nov 24 06:36:09 i'm not a big fan of google tbh Nov 24 06:36:13 the already know too much about me lol Nov 24 06:36:31 heh.. i dont blame u Nov 24 06:36:38 they know ... alot about me Nov 24 06:37:59 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/armv7/org.webosinternals.gstservice_0.2.3_armv7.ipk and http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/all/org.webosinternals.precorder_0.2.0_all.ipk Nov 24 06:38:03 install with wosqi Nov 24 06:38:07 ~emulate rwhitby Nov 24 06:38:09 Another Satisfied Customer! Nov 24 06:38:12 has anyone taken a look at this 'triton' application included with 1.3.1 ? i haven't seen it before Nov 24 06:38:14 * rwhitby bbl Nov 24 06:38:22 it looks like it's connected to a facebook photo service ? Nov 24 06:38:23 heh sweet... thanks for the info on the ubuntu stuff Nov 24 06:38:26 worked flawlessly :) Nov 24 06:38:28 now to install Nov 24 06:38:48 what was the url again for the precorder? :P j/k Nov 24 06:39:24 in /usr/palm/services ? Nov 24 06:39:31 I updated my feeds in preware. Nov 24 06:39:34 I see precorder. Nov 24 06:39:37 But the service is missing :\ Nov 24 06:39:48 did you run the postinst ? Nov 24 06:40:04 rwhitby, did you push my alpha app? >:'/ Nov 24 06:41:26 zsoc: booyah Nov 24 06:41:28 zsoc I added the testing feeds. Nov 24 06:41:32 zsoc: not intentionally Nov 24 06:41:36 zsoc: I'll remove it Nov 24 06:41:44 rwhitby, well intentionally un unintentionally :P Nov 24 06:41:48 it's ok, even god's make mistakes Nov 24 06:41:55 * zsoc makes a note of the date and time Nov 24 06:41:57 nice.. works :) Nov 24 06:42:17 zsoc: no, it is not pushed Nov 24 06:42:25 zsoc: it's only in alpha testing feed, not public feed Nov 24 06:42:28 rwhitby, well i'm looking at the app in preware Nov 24 06:42:35 lmao Nov 24 06:42:37 zsoc: yeah, you've installed it Nov 24 06:42:40 * freakout is installing the alpha link posted now Nov 24 06:42:40 OH Nov 24 06:42:46 double lmao Nov 24 06:42:47 * zsoc injures himself physically Nov 24 06:42:49 ~lart zsoc Nov 24 06:42:49 * infobot shoots zsoc in the head Nov 24 06:42:56 freakout: better hurry, Jason is writing the article already Nov 24 06:43:03 bwahaha Nov 24 06:43:03 freakout, take a hot sexy video of yourself Nov 24 06:43:11 zsoc, they're all hot and sexy Nov 24 06:43:35 rwhitby, zsoc: so apart from you two, who gets credit on this? Nov 24 06:43:36 :( Nov 24 06:44:04 freakout: it's all zsoc, no-one else ;-) Nov 24 06:44:42 freakout, yeah, start to finish, all me, i wrote every byte, and packaged it myself too Nov 24 06:44:44 on rod's servers Nov 24 06:44:55 * zsoc is a l33t h4><0r Nov 24 06:44:58 thx to the devs for this one.. :) looking good Nov 24 06:45:04 * rwhitby doesn't actually own the servers ... Nov 24 06:45:11 lol Nov 24 06:45:24 zsoc: jason need a shout-out at all? Nov 24 06:45:45 freakout: zsoc, jason, me for the service; zsoc, roy, me for the app. Nov 24 06:45:59 rwhitby: Is there any reason I can't see the gstservice in the testing feeds? Nov 24 06:46:11 ird: you must not have the armv7 testing feed Nov 24 06:46:16 hmm. Nov 24 06:46:24 freakout, most importantly, me on the crazy binary patch i pulled out of my ass ;) Nov 24 06:46:33 * ird scrolls back for the link AGAIN. Nov 24 06:46:46 rwhitby: when will you add the testing feed to preware in off mode? Nov 24 06:46:47 heh Nov 24 06:47:00 freakout, but really it's a group effort, Jason has provided me with a lot of support, and basically the whole service framework Nov 24 06:47:07 freakout: it will be released in the WebOS Internals feed Nov 24 06:47:24 freakout: but it's zsoc's baby Nov 24 06:47:25 alright, I'm back, gonna start working on the precorder wiki Nov 24 06:47:30 lol Nov 24 06:47:42 cryptk, yeah, that's right, make my wiki Nov 24 06:47:45 * zsoc cracks the whip Nov 24 06:47:48 haha Nov 24 06:47:49 * oc80z_ *uNF* zsoc *uNF* zsoc *uNF* zsoc *uNF* zsoc *uNF* zsoc Nov 24 06:48:02 ha Nov 24 06:48:07 like me with a mudkip Nov 24 06:48:11 * cryptk gets to work before masta zsoc gets the belt... Nov 24 06:48:19 MUDKIP? Nov 24 06:48:36 i heard freakout likes mudkips Nov 24 06:49:09 heh, did anyone notice the /usr/local/bin/wifi-mfg-labtool ? Nov 24 06:49:11 the race is on between Jason for PreCentral and freakout for PalmInfocenter. Let's see who the *real* blogger is. Nov 24 06:49:19 http://www.moarmudkips.com/pile/albums/inboundkip/SovietMudkip.png Nov 24 06:49:37 they both got the same tweet as notification. Nov 24 06:50:11 * MiX-ToP goes back to lerking till i see another tweet :) Nov 24 06:50:41 jason wins! Nov 24 06:50:44 because it doesn't work forme Nov 24 06:51:03 Videos appear in media/internal, but file size = 0 Nov 24 06:51:28 record a longer video Nov 24 06:51:29 i had that happen once .. but it only recorded one 0 byte file .. the others were of a size Nov 24 06:51:41 k Nov 24 06:51:44 same here.. thought i just did'nt record long enough Nov 24 06:52:28 * rwhitby just made the first Precorder donation Nov 24 06:52:30 rwhitby: have you seen this .. Nov 24 06:52:37 in 1.3.1 Nov 24 06:52:41 ipkgdelta ? Nov 24 06:52:51 there we go!! Nov 24 06:52:54 longer vid did the trick Nov 24 06:52:56 in /usr/share/downloadupdate Nov 24 06:53:03 bpadalino: nope Nov 24 06:53:37 check it out - looks kind of neat and very useful Nov 24 06:55:20 freakout, it's not length, the first time you hit record it doesn't work Nov 24 06:55:33 freakout, it's a 'once per phone' bug, can't figure out why Nov 24 06:56:02 * rwhitby bbl Nov 24 06:56:24 are you online? Nov 24 06:56:45 whoops Nov 24 06:56:56 zsoc: heh, interesting Nov 24 06:57:02 somehow my webos-internals feed file is now blank :( Nov 24 06:57:09 gotta issue w/preware Nov 24 06:58:35 not to b rude...barely can seewho is on the board with my pre.. Nov 24 06:59:01 may I ask a question? Nov 24 06:59:16 wow, audio quality is fantastic Nov 24 07:00:24 every x I dl a theme it gives me an erroor...??? Nov 24 07:00:40 recording failed, gstservice not running, hmm Nov 24 07:01:10 /usr/bin/mediaserver -l --gst-debug=1 Nov 24 07:01:13 what am I doing or not doing? Nov 24 07:01:37 freakout, not as fantastic as your abs Nov 24 07:01:50 lol Nov 24 07:01:55 zsoc: yes they are sexy Nov 24 07:02:17 So do all those preferences options work? Nov 24 07:02:44 freakout, do they work? yes setting the preferences work Nov 24 07:02:50 does the resulting file work? maybe, maybe not Nov 24 07:02:59 heh Nov 24 07:03:01 will it break your phone with the right sequence? guess you'll have to find out Nov 24 07:03:10 zsoc: lol Nov 24 07:03:15 gotta love alpha software! Nov 24 07:03:26 how is the precorder testing going... im new to the channel. Nov 24 07:04:00 zsoc: got a real name you'd like used, or are you happy with zsoc? Nov 24 07:04:03 terrymcginnis, bout as well as a test could go :) Nov 24 07:04:11 * freakout prefers real names Nov 24 07:04:15 they are classier Nov 24 07:04:18 so how do i get the gts service started? Nov 24 07:04:21 welcome Terry Nov 24 07:04:23 restart luna? Nov 24 07:04:24 freakout, what do you mean? my name _is_ zsoc Nov 24 07:04:34 like Cher? Nov 24 07:04:49 trying to get answers about my preware dl Nov 24 07:05:09 butter, whats wrong? Nov 24 07:05:14 Robi_: restart java Nov 24 07:05:19 zsoc: also, any plans / ideas for getting a preview window? Nov 24 07:05:22 Im glad to hear that there is progress. I am happy that webos-internals is around, they rock. Nov 24 07:05:47 butter, thank you Nov 24 07:05:59 hi mix Nov 24 07:06:16 well everytime I dl a theme... Nov 24 07:06:24 through preware... Nov 24 07:06:33 I get an error Nov 24 07:06:47 cool Nov 24 07:06:48 what error Nov 24 07:06:57 do I have to be @ pre default theme... Nov 24 07:07:13 b 4 I dl another? Nov 24 07:07:14 freakout, many plans and ideas :P Nov 24 07:07:31 duh makes sense Nov 24 07:07:38 I did not know that Saurik was apart of all this. Saurik you rock hardcore sir. Nov 24 07:07:45 butter, you're supposed to uninstall the current theme before installing a new theme Nov 24 07:07:49 offical term for the orange button: Blob Nov 24 07:07:49 zsoc: lol. The readers will want answers!!! Nov 24 07:07:50 have you uninstalled the old theme? you may want to make sure you do first if you havent Nov 24 07:08:21 not sure what the error is. But it will not switch from the... Nov 24 07:08:39 Saurik, I have been following you since the early days of the, dare i say it, iPhone. Nov 24 07:08:41 current theme "lakers" Nov 24 07:08:55 I did that on from my pc Nov 24 07:09:02 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuYBV37hyBg Nov 24 07:09:07 zsoc: a hot sexy vid of my dogs Nov 24 07:09:07 butters uninstall it first Nov 24 07:09:13 zsoc: ....and my little sister Nov 24 07:09:13 freakout, i don't particularly care. it's alpha software. i'll figure out a canned answer :P Nov 24 07:09:14 web0s install Nov 24 07:09:19 butter, not sure on the themes thing.. i installed my first one today Nov 24 07:09:30 it failed though preware Nov 24 07:09:38 but worked 100% though wosqi Nov 24 07:10:28 did the longhorn one.. hehe.. very good job who ever did it Nov 24 07:10:45 zsoc, where are the videos saved to with precorder? the media partition? Nov 24 07:10:57 how long has hiddiag been around ? Nov 24 07:11:05 thanks! :-) thatz whati figured Nov 24 07:11:06 cryptk, er.. that's sort of an unimplemented feature. files are saved to /media/internal, in default palm format Nov 24 07:11:28 ok, so they are accessible to be copied off the device via USB then Nov 24 07:11:53 just wanted to be sure before I put it in the wiki Nov 24 07:12:03 cryptk, i would imagine so, yes Nov 24 07:12:07 thanks! :-) thatz whati figured Nov 24 07:12:29 i haven't actually tested any of this, the second i said "oh btw guisz it works" rod was like OMG HERE DO IT :D Nov 24 07:12:49 hehe Nov 24 07:12:58 cryptk, 5 seconds and ill check for you Nov 24 07:13:03 ok Nov 24 07:13:08 thx Nov 24 07:13:25 ohhh sexy Nov 24 07:13:35 that's odd Nov 24 07:13:38 they redid the usb drive logo to Nov 24 07:13:51 restarted java and it's not running the gst service Nov 24 07:13:51 yup.. they are saved to the root of the usbdrive Nov 24 07:13:59 peace out Mixtop, windzilla and acydlord_alt :-) Nov 24 07:14:02 hmm its installed Nov 24 07:14:29 how can i test precorder? Nov 24 07:14:36 butter, layturds bro Nov 24 07:14:36 cryptk, o_o --^ Nov 24 07:14:41 installed it in /var Nov 24 07:14:48 thanks Mix-ToP Nov 24 07:14:52 np Nov 24 07:16:36 yes, how may we test precorder? Nov 24 07:17:28 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/armv7/org.webosinternals.gstservice_0.2.3_armv7.ipk Nov 24 07:17:46 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/all/org.webosinternals.precorder_0.2.0_all.ipk Nov 24 07:18:53 hey there Nov 24 07:18:55 download both and install through webosqi? Nov 24 07:19:05 mhm, thats what i did Nov 24 07:19:08 worked first try Nov 24 07:19:13 mmk, thanks Nov 24 07:19:27 Thanks! Nov 24 07:19:31 :) Nov 24 07:19:53 anyone install via ssh? Nov 24 07:19:57 is it me or did they get rid of "All Photos" in 1.3.1 if you have a photo roll? Nov 24 07:20:03 in the photo app Nov 24 07:20:08 ipkg -o /var ... ? Nov 24 07:20:15 Robi_, i did, a few hundred times Nov 24 07:20:16 yeah Nov 24 07:20:32 as long as it is just an app that doesn't need a script Nov 24 07:20:38 zsoc: haha.. ok so why doesn't the service start? Nov 24 07:20:52 Robi_, no idea, you should probably run the postinst Nov 24 07:21:12 must Nov 24 07:21:17 (offline root mode: not running org.webosinternals.gstservice.postinst) Nov 24 07:21:17 Robi, which do i install first? Nov 24 07:21:27 terryjmcginnis: service, always Nov 24 07:21:37 zsoc: yeah where is t Nov 24 07:21:38 ok thanks sir. Nov 24 07:21:53 Robi_, sh /var/usr/lib/ipkg/info/org.webosinternals.gstservice.postinst ? Nov 24 07:22:06 mine says "(offline root mode: not running org.webosinternals.gstservice.postinst because rod whitby is sleeping) Nov 24 07:22:10 rwhitby-treo, seriously this was a terrible idea, lol Nov 24 07:22:15 bingo Nov 24 07:23:47 oh haha! i just got a captcha on the w-i site: 1,000 quilters Nov 24 07:23:58 I hate captchas Nov 24 07:24:04 And it's up! Nov 24 07:24:05 http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/10002/precorder-brings-easy-video-recording-to-pre/ Nov 24 07:24:07 god precentral users are so odd Nov 24 07:24:15 zsoc: yes Nov 24 07:24:25 Hey guys, how can I alpha test the Precorder? Nov 24 07:25:43 uhh someone fix the template on the w-i page Nov 24 07:26:13 so the inline edits work Nov 24 07:26:17 heh .. did'nt even bother to check the pref's Nov 24 07:26:20 mandaman2k: links have been posted, I'm not sure if I'm allowed to repost Nov 24 07:26:24 * MiX-ToP goes to check em out Nov 24 07:26:34 mandaman2k: check the logs and you'll find the link, it was posted aboot an hour ago Nov 24 07:26:47 ha aboot Nov 24 07:27:05 pasting links in here is fine Nov 24 07:27:06 ok, checking, thanks Nov 24 07:27:49 don't publish links elsewhere cause the versions will change often Nov 24 07:28:55 IT WORKS!!!! its 100% work! I have never been so excited. Thank you webos-internals!!!!!!!! Nov 24 07:29:40 terryjmcginnis: I'll second that. And say THANKS ZSOC, YOU BIG BALL OF FLUFFY AWESOMENESS Nov 24 07:29:52 If zsoc was a mudkip i'd.... well. Nov 24 07:30:08 THANKS ZSOC, YOU BIG BALL OF FLUFFY AWESOMENESS Nov 24 07:30:09 freakout, do it anyway Nov 24 07:30:16 terryjmcginnis, eh, it's a group effort Nov 24 07:30:32 just been testing it. great start! Nov 24 07:30:42 its the greatest thing since pizza. Nov 24 07:31:04 im italian, so thats a big deal. ha. Nov 24 07:31:46 pizza is italian? hm Nov 24 07:32:36 as far as im concerned it is. ha Nov 24 07:33:20 pizza as we know it was more of a group effort. thus appropo to the situation. Nov 24 07:33:27 can't wait for it to start working with the flash on Nov 24 07:33:45 Thanks again guys! u guys rock! Nov 24 07:33:48 fminus, it does Nov 24 07:33:55 fminus, just not the first time or 2, see the wiki Nov 24 07:34:04 ok, got the files, thank god there are logs, jejeje Nov 24 07:34:29 should I install both files at the same time using the Quick Install? Nov 24 07:34:33 I feel as though Palm should be paying you guys for all the patches and advances you have made with their product. If only Palm was as smart as your guys. Nov 24 07:34:49 I need help, froze my Pre with that CPU scaling patch >_> Nov 24 07:34:57 terryjmcginnis, palm has been doing much more than people think, it's tough to release a 'complete product'. we just mess around in here :) Nov 24 07:35:04 Ive got it in USB mode but I cannot telnet over port 8023 Nov 24 07:35:52 I can believe that. it just seems as though you guys get these abilities out to the public faster. Nov 24 07:35:54 zsoc, thanks! i was able to get it going Nov 24 07:36:14 fminus, good :) Nov 24 07:36:24 Anyone? Nov 24 07:36:59 were can i read up on precorder on the wiki? Nov 24 07:37:04 pinkfloyd, remove battery? Nov 24 07:37:11 Did Nov 24 07:37:14 It's in USB mode right now Nov 24 07:37:15 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Precorder#Installation Nov 24 07:37:29 thank you kindly. Nov 24 07:37:35 well goodnight and nice work. Nov 24 07:37:53 "This is why using both together will freeze the Palm Pre. (Remove the battery, restart with the USB plugged into your computer with NovaCom installed, During the phones boot procedure simply telnet to the phone through NovaCom's Proxy port 8023, remove the smartreflex files you installed in the events folder in /etc/ before WebOS panics) " Nov 24 07:37:56 Im trying to do that Nov 24 07:38:05 man the possiblities with this app is exciting Nov 24 07:38:06 lol Nov 24 07:38:07 hey look at that, wiki is coming together Nov 24 07:38:40 PinkFloyd, from what i read about that you have to get it at its sweet spot.. so be really quick.. Nov 24 07:38:48 telnet asap and remove with the quickness Nov 24 07:38:54 took the other guy like 10 times to get it Nov 24 07:39:12 I tried using novaterm Nov 24 07:39:13 Thank you WebOS-Internals! Good night all. God speed. Nov 24 07:39:16 Couldnt manage to get it Nov 24 07:39:48 not sure man.. :\ Nov 24 07:39:59 I just need to get to /media/internal and copy pictures off Nov 24 07:40:06 Otherwise, Im exchanging the thing >_> Nov 24 07:43:00 thanks again you guys. Good night Nov 24 07:45:13 *sigh* Nov 24 07:46:03 * ElVox takes note...another one bricked...ahh, patch working as intended Nov 24 07:46:22 I had smartfelx installed before and uninstalled it Nov 24 07:46:26 I guess the files didnt uninstall Nov 24 07:49:21 zsoc, is Precorder GPL? Nov 24 07:49:31 or GPLv2? Nov 24 07:50:37 * Robi_ predicts the swipe to delete video patch is going to get very popular Nov 24 07:51:04 * cryptk already installed it, right after installing precorder Nov 24 07:51:37 Robi_, already installed it Nov 24 07:51:39 heh Nov 24 07:52:02 Novaterm wont let me paste :/ Nov 24 07:53:46 hey guys, thanks a lot for your work on the precorder, it is one of the most requested apps and you made it real, thanks Nov 24 07:54:36 mic has to be turned up Nov 24 07:55:03 or spkr phone mode enabled for rec Nov 24 07:55:41 and I have another question, I've installed the smartflex 500, no problems at all, but what happens if I do a hard reset or Doctor my phone if i dont uninstall this patch, could it be bricked? Nov 24 07:57:01 if you doctor it, it wipes everything. Nov 24 07:58:49 win7 novacom install working yet? Nov 24 07:58:53 ok good good and if you do a hard reset? Nov 24 08:00:54 ok, just integrated my changes into the Precorder wiki page. http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Precorder Nov 24 08:03:59 Robi_, i found a tread that kinda hacks the msi to get it to work.. let me see if i can find it again Nov 24 08:05:00 thanks again for all your work, going to sleep, more testing tomorrow, good luck everyone Nov 24 08:05:27 MiX-ToP: i found a git repo with a fixed msi Nov 24 08:05:51 thank you bsiegel Nov 24 08:05:59 http://bzy.bz/k Nov 24 08:06:03 oh ok :) Nov 24 08:07:15 i need to be sleeping Nov 24 08:07:19 the flash only 'flashed' for me vs being illuminating Nov 24 08:07:27 damnit.. quit coming out with stuff in the middle of the night :) Nov 24 08:07:33 'nite MiX-ToP Nov 24 08:07:36 its .au time Nov 24 08:07:40 heh Nov 24 08:07:43 not going yet Nov 24 08:07:46 pretty soon though Nov 24 08:07:58 flash worked for me Nov 24 08:08:16 but when i turned it on and started recording and stoped the video did'nt show up Nov 24 08:08:30 couldent reproduce it though cause it worked just fine the next time Nov 24 08:09:55 i need to find a roam disable Nov 24 08:10:09 or away to disable roaming... Nov 24 08:10:22 kinda a reverse of roam enable :P Nov 24 08:10:32 there is patch Nov 24 08:10:45 Ok I give up Nov 24 08:10:50 No accessing it, it's hosed Nov 24 08:10:58 PinkFloyd, :( that sucks... Nov 24 08:11:32 If novaterm would actually work properly and paste the text, I might get it Nov 24 08:11:35 But no, it doesnt want to Nov 24 08:11:45 by now you could have typed it in Nov 24 08:11:47 oh Nov 24 08:11:53 try putty Nov 24 08:11:58 not sure what ip/port to connect to though Nov 24 08:11:59 did Nov 24 08:12:03 :\ Nov 24 08:12:07 Used telnet port 8023 Nov 24 08:12:11 like it says in the wiki Nov 24 08:12:28 just curious Nov 24 08:12:32 try making a text file Nov 24 08:12:35 with the commands Nov 24 08:12:45 and run the nova thing with < file.txt Nov 24 08:13:10 Are you able to do that with Windows cmd? Nov 24 08:13:15 I know you can with linux Nov 24 08:13:16 dont know.. Nov 24 08:13:23 its worth a shot though :P Nov 24 08:13:35 i'll test it Nov 24 08:14:35 alright, I am out for the night Nov 24 08:14:42 later people Nov 24 08:14:45 layturds Nov 24 08:14:52 one more smoke and im gone Nov 24 08:19:37 PinkFloyd, work? Nov 24 08:19:42 nope Nov 24 08:19:46 :( Nov 24 08:20:15 Guess I'll head up to Best Buy tomorrow Nov 24 08:20:25 I was only really worried about the 200+ pics on the phone Nov 24 08:20:38 Everything else is either expendable or in the Google cloud Nov 24 08:20:41 http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/redirection.mspx?mfr=true Nov 24 08:21:37 nope Nov 24 08:21:41 gonna exchange for the same phone? Nov 24 08:21:46 Of course Nov 24 08:21:49 heh Nov 24 08:22:02 i need to see if i can get insurance on this thing Nov 24 08:22:03 Ive played with the Hero, doesnt really work for me Nov 24 08:22:16 got it used from some crack head... prob stolen .. sprint said it was good though Nov 24 08:22:23 lol Nov 24 08:22:58 came at the right time too.. was about to kick sprint to the curb and jump on the iphone bandwagon Nov 24 08:24:07 anyhow.. hopefully you can pull them photos Nov 24 08:24:15 im heading for bed.. laterz Nov 24 08:26:05 [slickwallet]: NutriSystem, Inc. Get your FREE diet analysis today at NutriSystem. http://bit.ly/48pTqy #coupons #blackfriday Nov 24 08:26:08 oh ya baby Nov 24 08:26:11 deal of the century heh Nov 24 08:34:18 is there an actual feed location for the "test feed" i keep hearing about? Nov 24 08:37:46 hrm, now i found it, but it doesnt look like preware will let me add it... i thought it could do custom feeds... Nov 24 08:39:28 zsoc|away: Found a bug. If the pre falls asleep something goes wrong and it won't record any more. Only way I could fix it was a reboot. Tried restarting java, but no luck. Nov 24 08:45:08 wb Nov 24 08:46:16 * rwhitby-treo out cycling Nov 24 08:46:51 everyone having fun with precorder? Nov 24 08:47:00 ? Nov 24 08:47:04 zsoc gone to bed yet? Nov 24 08:47:16 Is that the backup util? Nov 24 08:47:39 lingfish: camcorder app Nov 24 08:47:46 testing feed Nov 24 08:47:49 rwhitby: should have called it "Steven Prielburg" Nov 24 08:47:55 gstservice and precorder Nov 24 08:47:57 rwhitby-treo: oerrrrrr! Nov 24 08:49:25 ElVox: nice one Nov 24 08:50:07 lingfish: don't you follow @webosinternals on twitter? Nov 24 08:50:13 hahahahaa Nov 24 08:50:25 No, I kinda have a life, and work to pay bills ;) Nov 24 08:50:31 * lingfish installs it now but ;) Nov 24 08:53:13 lingfish: backup app is in the testing feed too Nov 24 08:53:27 com.tntservices.* Nov 24 08:53:43 rwhitby-treo: yeah ... I may go there... still setting up and don't feel comfy nuking it yet. Nov 24 08:53:58 stupid question.. no doco on the wiki re testing feed URL etc, how to add it.... Nov 24 08:54:09 left you more wiki q's at rwhitby. Nov 24 08:54:49 * oil tested it, didn't work so hot Nov 24 08:55:42 no? Nov 24 08:56:30 worked better after a restart Nov 24 08:56:41 lingfish: intentional lack of testing feed doco Nov 24 08:57:53 k Nov 24 08:58:29 reverse engineering now ;) Nov 24 08:59:36 hrm, or not. Nov 24 08:59:47 Add feed greyed out Nov 24 09:00:01 after a restart the first recording worked, the second says there is an error playing the file Nov 24 09:00:19 meh, I'll give up then for now. Nov 24 09:01:17 lingsish: webos.pastebin.com has testing feed info Nov 24 09:01:31 k Nov 24 09:17:58 here can i get some cheap ir reflective paint? Nov 24 09:18:13 i mean where? Nov 24 09:29:46 hmm.. Nov 24 09:29:55 Quality of the videos after being put on youtube is.. meh Nov 24 09:29:56 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62PcGKEButw Nov 24 09:30:12 I could see myself fine on the pre version, but after putting it on youtube it's hard to see much of anything. Nov 24 09:50:09 helloooo precorder lol Nov 24 09:50:55 hi Spunks3 Nov 24 09:51:26 just found out about it, wild stuff Nov 24 09:52:03 it needs camera-app style preview of what you're recording Nov 24 09:52:40 http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/24/palm-precorder-brings-video-recording-homebrew-to-the-pre/ Nov 24 09:53:02 oil: at the expense of yer battery Nov 24 09:53:21 doesn't take much battery actually Nov 24 09:53:21 well this is great progress for sure Nov 24 09:53:25 being able to see what you're recording is worth the battery Nov 24 09:54:11 o yeah a preview feature would use battery much gaster Nov 24 09:54:48 maybe it can also change the screen brightness to preserve some battery... Nov 24 09:55:01 an options then to have it on or off, im game :P Nov 24 09:56:18 I should prob giv it a try... havnt used webOSquick install since my win7 update.. anything to note? Nov 24 09:58:08 nope, I run win7 and woqi Nov 24 09:58:29 I am having trouble installing gstserver, it gives me an error when I try to do it, with it telling me to run ipkg update at the end. anyone know whats going on? Nov 24 09:58:53 Lonestar: can you get a command line? Nov 24 09:58:57 woqi or preware? Nov 24 09:59:01 im on the command line right now Nov 24 09:59:11 Lonestar: I've just created a precorder-bootstrap.sh script Nov 24 10:00:02 cool, got a link? Nov 24 10:01:03 Lonestar: wget http://bit.ly/precorder-bootstrap ; sh precorder-bootstrap Nov 24 10:01:22 Lonestar: can you pastebin the output? You're the first to test it (not even I have tested it) Nov 24 10:01:49 sure Nov 24 10:02:46 "Failed to download org.webosinternals.gstservice__all.ipk" Nov 24 10:03:00 Lonestar: anything before that? Nov 24 10:03:06 oh, hang on. Nov 24 10:04:34 Lonestar: download again and run again please Nov 24 10:04:46 freakout: ping Nov 24 10:06:13 i could ssh into my phone yesterday, now I can't... address and port is correct but i get a connection refused :S Nov 24 10:07:25 oil: freakout's video is making the rounds of the tech blogs ... Nov 24 10:08:41 im still getting the same problem and it doesnt remount as rw properly when it fails Nov 24 10:08:56 i know, i posted that engadget link Nov 24 10:10:06 oil: every man and his dog is reposting that article, with that video included. Nov 24 10:10:17 http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=safari&rls=en&q=palm+precorder&aq=f&oq=&aqi= Nov 24 10:10:33 lol Nov 24 10:12:20 here, http://webos.pastebin.com/m3dd017ec Nov 24 10:12:57 hmm - version is not working. Nov 24 10:14:25 Lonestar: download again and run again please Nov 24 10:14:32 i think your link to the package is wrong too Nov 24 10:14:50 Lonestar: yep, forgot the 'testing' in the feed URL Nov 24 10:14:55 fixed now Nov 24 10:15:40 same thing Nov 24 10:16:41 uname seems to work fine by hand Nov 24 10:18:22 i seem to be the only one with the install problems, lucky me Nov 24 10:19:53 i cant wait to record plenty of sideways videos Nov 24 10:22:37 Lonestar: what's the pastebin of the latest error? Nov 24 10:22:50 same Nov 24 10:24:36 Lonestar: sorry, missed an ARCH Nov 24 10:24:42 Lonestar: download again and run again please Nov 24 10:25:06 Lonestar: just think, you're saving all the other people in the future from having these problems :-) Nov 24 10:28:49 oh, im updating stuff that might fix it Nov 24 10:28:58 \o/ precorder Nov 24 10:29:08 works now Nov 24 10:29:28 is the video supposed to show up in the videos app Nov 24 10:29:46 Lonestar: excellent, thanks for finding the bugs. Nov 24 10:30:00 im getting 0k files in the root of the pre Nov 24 10:30:07 when its usb mounted that is Nov 24 10:30:16 Does preware have a maximum number of feeds? Somehow the add feed panel is grayed out on my phone... Nov 24 10:30:20 oh, not your scripts, but in the install process in general, i needed to install the package manager and preware Nov 24 10:35:52 are there any feeds not included in preware? Nov 24 10:40:15 the testing feed Nov 24 10:40:20 my own feed ;) Nov 24 10:43:48 whats the command to get a real terminal on windows... this webos quick install one is poop Nov 24 10:43:59 its easier to hack this thing on my mac. heh Nov 24 10:49:24 now it works after 10 tries and re-running the script. heh Nov 24 10:49:59 does anybody know which file is used when starting the data connection? Nov 24 10:51:26 i mean the file that has code like: get carrier info, connect to domain this, etc Nov 24 10:55:22 oil: what does the comment: "comment this for go time" mean in preware? Nov 24 10:56:41 alright, posted my video on youtube Nov 24 10:56:52 just gotta figure out how to turn the video now :-P Nov 24 10:59:19 sepi: add feed panel is not enabled yet. we need to implement the security features that require a user to confirm when a feed is being added (so that a rogue webOS application can't programmatically add a rogue feed behind the user's back) Nov 24 11:00:15 does it store the feeds some place you can easily edit manually? Nov 24 11:00:26 Lonestar: so did you install it via the precorder-bootstrap script, or did you do it manuall? Nov 24 11:00:45 Lonestar: cause I've updated the wiki to point to the script based on what I assume is a success report using the script from you. Nov 24 11:01:20 joshua: yep /var/etc/ipkg Nov 24 11:02:30 rwhitby: hmm, ok Nov 24 11:03:31 Any Pixi owners testing Precoder? Nov 24 11:05:30 sepi: that comment in Preware is usually for stuff that is uncommented for testing, but needs to be commented out for release. Nov 24 11:22:42 whois rwhitby Nov 24 11:22:45 oops Nov 24 11:23:05 i think that netsplit didn't join properly Nov 24 11:24:41 joshua heh, it did now Nov 24 11:27:30 Want to test a game? git clone http://hcl-club.lu/~enigma/files/code/com.sepi.cave.git/ Nov 24 12:01:54 oil: freakout has an even more cringier video up now :-) Nov 24 12:02:05 rwhitby: lol Nov 24 12:02:29 freakout: are you measuring the spread of these videos? Nov 24 12:02:33 rwhitby: there was one of me climbing shirtless in my short shorts, but I figured I'd spare the internet Nov 24 12:02:37 they are going world-wide man Nov 24 12:02:40 lol Nov 24 12:02:54 well, I must admit.... I tipped off Engadget to my own story Nov 24 12:03:00 freakout: did you read the PreCentral article? Nov 24 12:03:03 i was NOT going to have them ping PreCentral again, lol Nov 24 12:03:08 yep, just perusing it now Nov 24 12:06:57 freakout: are all your Precorder videos going to contain at least one female hurling abuse at you? Nov 24 12:07:10 lmao Nov 24 12:07:22 rwhitby: they do it because they love me Nov 24 12:07:36 freakout: yeah, we say that too ;-) Nov 24 12:07:53 I love the sound - it is amazingly clear Nov 24 12:08:04 Even when the mic is facing away from the subject, it comes out real well Nov 24 12:11:08 something is all screwed up. I log in via novacom and every time I hit enter i get two prompts and interative programs like editors go nuts when i run them Nov 24 12:11:25 * freakout bbl Nov 24 12:11:36 ssh in joshua Nov 24 12:11:50 novacom is too basic for that Nov 24 12:11:59 never had a problem before Nov 24 12:12:08 but i guess that was on my mac Nov 24 12:12:08 heh Nov 24 12:12:17 will have to try again when I go home Nov 24 12:12:26 haha yeah windows is different :P Nov 24 12:13:48 my cygwin apps have no issue using cmd.exe Nov 24 12:14:06 ok the precorder looks ok ;) Nov 24 12:16:51 the awesome thing about the pre is even if I screw everything I can run webos doctor Nov 24 12:17:00 i only had to do that once. Nov 24 12:17:32 can't even remember wat I did to brick it that time. Nov 24 12:19:15 * rwhitby bbt - have fun with Precorder everyone. Don't forget to just give people the wiki page address if they ask how to install it. Nov 24 12:19:24 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Precorder Nov 24 12:27:13 i love when customers say something doesn't work but then you test it on the server and it works fine Nov 24 12:27:28 user error Nov 24 12:36:22 rwhitby, its easy to install its already in preware Nov 24 12:36:22 :S Nov 24 13:23:28 in testing feed and i have added testing feed to my prewar Nov 24 13:23:29 e Nov 24 13:23:30 :D Nov 24 13:43:03 did they borked notifications in 1.3.1? Nov 24 13:43:15 sometimes i get notifications for email sometimes not Nov 24 13:43:20 same thing with missed calls Nov 24 14:00:38 So I just used WebOS Quick Install to install Precorder...I believe my phone was working fine before this and for some reason now, my Pre will not connect to Sprint. The carrier string just says "Phone Offline" now. Any one have any thoughts on what might have happened? Is it possible some services are not starting properly now? Nov 24 14:00:41 rwhitby: I updated PIC's post with the wiki page link Nov 24 14:01:08 Wiz1999: WOSQI always takes my phone offline for a few seconds when it installs new apps. Have you tried rebooting? Nov 24 14:01:17 Yes...I've tried rebooting. Nov 24 14:01:20 lol Nov 24 14:01:25 sorry, i know it's a n00b question to ask Nov 24 14:01:27 Its been offline for a while now. Nov 24 14:01:30 If that's the case, I have no idea Nov 24 14:01:57 Everything else seems to work fine...its really odd. Nov 24 14:02:01 But I installed Precorder with WOSQI also on my GSM Pre and has no problems Nov 24 14:02:11 hmm.... Nov 24 14:02:56 Wiz1999: Precorder only modifies the gstreamer service so far as I'm aware. it shouldn't touch anything that has to do with wireless communication Nov 24 14:03:19 and I don't think it even modifies, really, so much as provides a custom service that works with gst Nov 24 14:03:28 That's what I thought... Nov 24 14:03:29 but there are others more knowledgable than me Nov 24 14:03:37 Haven't tried uninstalling it yet. Nov 24 14:03:42 Guess that's the next thing to try. Nov 24 14:03:47 indeed. Nov 24 14:03:55 worst comes to worse, there's always the Doctor. Nov 24 14:04:07 Yeah...was hoping to avoid that Nov 24 14:04:25 Hoping someone has seen something like this before and I can just go fix something up. Nov 24 14:05:52 Hmm...no luck uninstalling Nov 24 14:10:42 Is it true that the 1.3.1 doctor does not wipe out the /media/internal volume? Nov 24 14:10:58 i can confirm that Nov 24 14:11:06 it didn't when i used it Nov 24 14:11:35 great...thanks Nov 24 14:14:32 are you still looking for feedback on precorder? Nov 24 14:15:57 what is the proper channel? Nov 24 14:16:01 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WvJPWUVpxo check this out ;D Nov 24 14:36:57 oh god. has this been happening all morning? Nov 24 14:37:04 ;D Nov 24 14:37:57 en0x: lol, what a drone-monkey work environment Nov 24 14:38:13 mine is worse, btw :p Nov 24 14:38:39 well it looked worst Nov 24 14:38:43 i cleaned up a liddle Nov 24 14:38:44 :P Nov 24 14:38:58 little anyway i dont care i come i do my work for 8hrs and i go Nov 24 14:39:30 idk if u liked but i created talk page on the wiki for precorder Nov 24 14:41:26 i know its alpha but... Nov 24 14:41:59 zsoc_wirc: Not sure how, but I think installing either precorder or the gst service did somehow mess up my phone. Nov 24 14:46:52 morning all Nov 24 14:46:58 Wiz1999: it's unlikely, but i'd be curious to know your install method and wat its doing Nov 24 14:47:48 en0x: any wiki help is appreciated Nov 24 14:48:03 I agree its unlikely...not sure what happened. Installed via WOSQI and afterwards my phone would not connect to Sprint. I'm trying Jason's WebOS Repair Utility now. If that doesn't work, its the doctor. Nov 24 14:48:56 i hate to use the doctor Nov 24 14:48:56 :S Nov 24 14:50:15 Wiz1999: could be a java services issue. did you try uh... unistalling the service? Nov 24 14:50:22 Yep... Nov 24 14:50:24 didn't fix it. Nov 24 14:50:47 Rebooted a number of times, took it in and out of dev mode, powered off/on, restarted Java a few times. Nov 24 14:50:56 Really odd since everything else was working fine. Nov 24 14:51:26 do you have the phone on/off patch installed? Nov 24 14:51:48 Nope. Nov 24 14:52:53 is all the carrier info in the device info section correct? Nov 24 14:53:09 Device info section of what? Nov 24 14:53:21 the device info on your pre Nov 24 14:53:53 Seems to be. Nov 24 14:56:49 turn airplane mode on and off Nov 24 14:57:06 Tried that...no luck. Nov 24 14:57:36 Or not... Nov 24 14:57:46 apparently trying that again works. Nov 24 14:58:03 Or the WebOS Repair Utility has fixed something now... Nov 24 15:06:58 * nt4cats yawns Nov 24 15:07:43 * zsoc_wirc yams Nov 24 15:08:36 * nt4cats wishes he had more time to work on side projects Nov 24 15:14:41 nt4cats: hey now, do what I do, ignore your wife Nov 24 15:15:02 * zsoc_wirc (clearly joking, of course) Nov 24 15:15:10 zsoc: you ignore my wife? maybe that's why she's always irritated Nov 24 15:15:28 zsoc: if you pay more attention to her and maybe she'll let me code Nov 24 15:19:13 zsoc: (actually my wife is very patient with me -- it is the 5 year old and 8 year old that live in my house that are the problem ... er, I mean the source of joy) Nov 24 15:22:19 i just wonder why the mic is so low Nov 24 15:22:20 hmm Nov 24 15:22:28 Does the mp4 playback on PC seem really grainy for anyone else> Nov 24 15:22:36 nope Nov 24 15:23:13 oh, yeah, I forgot that I popped in here to see if people thought the video recording app (alpha) was or was not worth installing ... Nov 24 15:23:27 it is Nov 24 15:23:36 i even posted a video on youtube :P Nov 24 15:23:37 lol Nov 24 15:23:41 it's really grainy on my PC, but it's the only file format I can get to play Nov 24 15:23:58 en0x: I'd like to see it (unless it is your morning shower routine, etc.) Nov 24 15:23:59 i havent changed any setting in the app Nov 24 15:24:01 what were the settings on that vid en0x? Nov 24 15:24:18 crap, I can't remember the defaults Nov 24 15:24:19 nt4cats, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WvJPWUVpxo Nov 24 15:25:06 what format is it set to en0x? Nov 24 15:25:20 for video Nov 24 15:25:25 * nt4cats notes that en0x appears to have a condom on the base of his lcd panel on the left side of his desk ... Nov 24 15:25:35 h.264/avc for video Nov 24 15:25:47 nt4cats, lol ;d Nov 24 15:25:59 i thought nobody would notice it Nov 24 15:26:02 en0x: I'm glad you enjoy your job, that's all I can say ... Nov 24 15:26:58 i do Nov 24 15:27:07 and i just heard from my boss that i will get a promotion ;) Nov 24 15:27:09 so happy Nov 24 15:27:11 a condom? on a geek's desk? nah, its obviously some form of candy :P Nov 24 15:27:22 mp4 container? Nov 24 15:27:27 it's a tylenol ElVox Nov 24 15:27:31 * nt4cats imagines en0x's pre makes its notification tone in 30 minutes, and en0x says Okay, Suzy, into the data closet. It's time for our 11:00! Nov 24 15:27:33 PREA, yes and aac for audio Nov 24 15:27:46 thanks Nov 24 15:27:57 en0x, counts as candy! Nov 24 15:28:02 u can use mpeg4 for video too if u want ;) Nov 24 15:28:19 will still work resto of the options dont work and it dont record any video Nov 24 15:28:22 ElVox, ;) Nov 24 15:29:55 hmm...I cant get the h.264/avc to play back on my PC. Must be missing the codec Nov 24 15:30:15 probably Nov 24 15:30:18 try it with vlc Nov 24 15:37:23 hmmm .. can't delete videos in the video "player" app on the device Nov 24 15:38:01 it removes from player but not from /media/internal Nov 24 15:39:12 * nt4cats is searching preware for an app to use to delete junk from /media/internal Nov 24 15:39:27 internalz Nov 24 15:46:55 Hey zsoc, is there a way that the camera app could just be copied or altered to add the video support? for instance take the camera app and change the code so that when you hit the camera button it doesn't take a picture but instead video and when you tap to view pictures takes it bring you to the video app. this way you could have the camera accessed to be able to view what your a recording. basically overlapping the Nov 24 15:46:55 camera app on top of the precorder app. is this possible? Nov 24 15:47:10 should the videos made with Precorder be playable in VLC media player or does it require a special codec? Nov 24 15:47:47 WillJitsu, I have been able to play the video with quicktime. Nov 24 15:48:36 terrymcginnis: ok I will give that a shot. thanks Nov 24 15:49:01 your welcome Nov 24 15:52:18 Anyone know what directory default palm apps are stored in the device, like the camera app? Nov 24 15:54:28 terrymcginnis: unfortunately no, it isn't possible. I don't feel like explaining the technical reason why right now Nov 24 15:55:25 because gstreamer cant stream to two places at once Nov 24 15:55:26 ;p Nov 24 15:55:26 CTLAdvance-work: yes, but it won't work :p /usr/palm/applications I think Nov 24 15:55:58 en0x: not really the issue, gst works fine Nov 24 15:56:07 and the pipeline is tee'able Nov 24 15:56:13 oh Nov 24 15:56:42 lemme ask u about the mic... Nov 24 15:56:59 the directfb stuff to support the sink are mucked up in palm binaries Nov 24 15:57:14 why is it so low? Nov 24 15:57:27 and the .3gp option works fine here Nov 24 15:57:46 zsoc_wirc: congrats on precorder. is it know that the video/audio only record audio only for both settings? at least on my pre Nov 24 15:58:29 thanks zsoc Nov 24 15:58:48 zsoc_wirc, fair enough. :-D Nov 24 15:58:56 Yeah precorder is working great! Thanks Nov 24 15:59:04 en0x: er.. it's not low so much as facing the wrong direction Nov 24 15:59:49 hmm Nov 24 16:00:14 gkatsev: describe that again? Nov 24 16:00:18 yeah the mic is on the front of the device Nov 24 16:00:24 the camera is on the back Nov 24 16:00:36 zsoc_wirc: setting it to record only audio or only video records only audio on my pre Nov 24 16:01:59 en0x: I could pipe it through ffmpeg to adjust the audio. eventually the plan is to use ffmpeg to adjust post-video options Nov 24 16:02:09 like filetype, encoding, etc Nov 24 16:02:22 right Nov 24 16:02:45 gkatsev: interesting. maybe put that on the wiki. honestly I havn't tested Nov 24 16:03:23 i installed it via precorder-bootstrap, if that matters Nov 24 16:03:29 just a random thought.. does ffmpeg support volume normalization? would be good to use if the recordee and recorded is talking Nov 24 16:03:29 gkatsev, http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application_talk:Precorder put it here Nov 24 16:03:38 en0x: I mean palm is obviously going to release a recorder. my plan is to have one with more options by the time that happens Nov 24 16:04:00 the person recording and the person/thing being recorded Nov 24 16:04:00 Hey zsoc if I make a few changes to your precorder ui can you host them up? Providing nothing breaks? Nov 24 16:04:02 zsoc_wirc, yes we talked about this... i'm just spitting my observations Nov 24 16:04:03 its quiet in here during the day Nov 24 16:04:38 MiX-ToP: it probably does.ffmpeg is prtty magical Nov 24 16:05:00 ya.. i like it.. Nov 24 16:05:18 CTLAdvance-work: roy and oil are also working on it. and at the momemnt I don't have commit access. but i'd like to see screenshots of your changes Nov 24 16:05:25 en0x: do you know of ~~~~ in wiki? Nov 24 16:05:29 nice work zsoc Nov 24 16:06:17 whats wrong with the stuff that i'm using? Nov 24 16:06:21 gkatsev, ^ Nov 24 16:06:27 a little common sense and a recommendation for all of you testing precorder and planning to record your self with the flash on, dont stare right into it. the light dot wont go away for a while, trust me. damn that thing is bright. ha. Nov 24 16:06:39 en0x: nothing. just ~~~~ puts your name and timestamp for you automatically. Nov 24 16:06:52 dont look into the light!! Nov 24 16:06:58 gkatsev, i use --~~~~ Nov 24 16:07:01 :> Nov 24 16:07:01 heh :P Nov 24 16:07:28 terrymcginnis: and that is a low led value. it gets brighter. maybe i'll have a brightness option. would be very easy to implement Nov 24 16:07:33 en0x: ah, lol. Nov 24 16:07:39 en0x: carry on, then Nov 24 16:07:44 kk ;) Nov 24 16:08:07 zsoc_wirc, that would be great. :-D Nov 24 16:08:34 zsoc_wirc, what are your plans for the launch button? Nov 24 16:08:46 hi folks - anyone know about recieving streamed files on the pre? I read that gstreamer is updated - so assuming the audio/video apps should be able to handle more Nov 24 16:09:29 I have been trying to stream content from vlc to pre without any success Nov 24 16:09:44 ConfusedVorlon: WiFi ? Nov 24 16:09:48 y Nov 24 16:09:58 i would love to see the feature to stream video from the phone to X site or a custom place.. like my server to restream to many Nov 24 16:10:10 supposedly wifi is throttled Nov 24 16:10:14 64k/bs Nov 24 16:10:15 huh? Nov 24 16:10:31 theres a patch for that in preware Nov 24 16:10:50 yup Nov 24 16:10:59 why would they do that? Nov 24 16:11:04 odd how they would cap wifi and not evdo Nov 24 16:11:07 "there is a patch for that" Nov 24 16:11:12 surely the networks want as much traffic on wifi... Nov 24 16:11:23 A2NY, lol.. i wasent gonna go there :D Nov 24 16:12:00 well if they suggest battery savings with wifi... my guesses are limit bandwidth and save more battery Nov 24 16:12:02 hmm - can't get the patch Nov 24 16:12:16 well that was fun, luna crashed Nov 24 16:13:32 it crashed one me whilke watching youtube videos Nov 24 16:14:04 bbl... heading for lunhc Nov 24 16:14:06 lunch Nov 24 16:14:10 it's been doing that to me a lot lately en0x Nov 24 16:14:30 they borked youtube app in 1.3.1 Nov 24 16:14:31 :p Nov 24 16:14:33 out of curiosity why is the video quality on youtube for the pre not as good as what you would get on the site? Nov 24 16:14:51 terrymcginnis, prove it Nov 24 16:16:14 what do you mean prove it? I have just noticed that quality while watching youtube videos on my pre is a bit grainy and its not like that when i watch the same video on my computer. Nov 24 16:16:33 because its compressed for mobile devices Nov 24 16:17:13 that makes sense, i guess i didnt think about that. Nov 24 16:17:56 what is the name of this wifi patch that was mentioned earlier? Nov 24 16:18:10 unthrottle download Nov 24 16:18:12 or something like that Nov 24 16:18:37 thanks en0x Nov 24 16:19:57 I'm getting 404 on unthrottle download Nov 24 16:19:58 omfg.... Nov 24 16:20:04 I just got a ~ in console Nov 24 16:22:07 whats the difference between CPU Scaling and Smartreflex? Nov 24 16:23:10 terrymcginnis: I did some data gathering mid 2009, and getting back around to putting everything together Nov 24 16:23:20 I would stay away from it for now Nov 24 16:23:54 hey Nov 24 16:23:56 alrighty, will do. thanks. Nov 24 16:24:33 could someone answer me a question to this CPU powersave patches? Nov 24 16:26:47 a2ny: why stay away from it? Nov 24 16:27:15 its not fully enabled Nov 24 16:27:33 ill have to check the kernel config for 1.3.1 Nov 24 16:27:41 well for any vers Nov 24 16:29:13 look at /boot/config-2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 Nov 24 16:31:42 1st part Nov 24 16:31:45 # Power Management Options Nov 24 16:32:06 CONFIG_OMAP_VOLT_SR_BYPASS=y Nov 24 16:32:28 last time I checked bypass meant bypass Nov 24 16:32:48 you need one of the other three modes enabled Nov 24 16:33:25 secondly in all the TI docs, VDD1/2 needed to be the lowest value Nov 24 16:33:39 vdd1 is 4 and vdd2 is 3 Nov 24 16:33:52 1/2 should be their lowest values Nov 24 16:40:36 also, there is ondemand&userspace, what about the other 3 modes? how come nobody talks about them Nov 24 16:43:07 so in short, smart reflex isn't fully enabled from my findings Nov 24 16:44:02 changing cpu freq works, no doubt, but its still at the same voltage & working more because of slower freq Nov 24 16:46:31 sup all anyone no if you can use skype on the Pre ? Nov 24 16:47:19 from the makers of IM+ Nov 24 16:47:44 but it's not perfect: a website for chat and a callback call for VOIP Nov 24 16:48:06 MetaView: you talking to me ? Nov 24 16:49:30 yes Nov 24 16:51:09 so you can use skype with IM+ Nov 24 16:51:27 no, it's IM+ for Skype (IIRC) Nov 24 16:52:00 u need to buy skype money to make calls through IM+ right? Nov 24 16:52:16 where do I find it google it ? Nov 24 16:52:48 yes, you need skype money, as they call you back Nov 24 16:53:07 oh that blows Nov 24 16:53:24 http://www.shapeservices.com/en/products/details.php?product=skype&platform=webos Nov 24 16:53:35 yes, it's not very good Nov 24 16:53:38 thought it was feee Nov 24 16:53:42 it's ok to chat with someone Nov 24 16:53:44 free* Nov 24 16:53:49 no, not free Nov 24 16:54:08 terrymcginnis: do you know any java? Nov 24 16:54:15 so chat is ok calls stink Nov 24 16:54:21 yes Nov 24 16:54:35 chat is ok, but even this is routed over a webpage Nov 24 16:54:42 thanks Nov 24 16:54:44 not really. Nov 24 16:54:45 but it's ok to contact otheres Nov 24 16:55:03 na why not just use aim ect... Nov 24 16:55:41 So does everyone agree/think I should include the 'swipe videos to delete' patch in the service or as a dependency? Nov 24 16:55:41 if the one is only in skype? Nov 24 16:56:03 also, streaming FROM the pre is very possible. as in it already works. Nov 24 16:56:04 true Nov 24 16:56:09 i mean I can look at a doc and pretty much figure it out, but as far as writing it, not so much. Nov 24 16:56:27 but than I would tell them to get aim lol Nov 24 16:56:49 drfunk: ok, if it works :D Nov 24 16:56:54 zsoc_wirc, swipe to delete is a yes. :) Nov 24 16:57:31 anyone else have Application:Terminal ? Nov 24 16:57:47 Gesture 1/3/7/9 are producing tildes Nov 24 16:59:14 sup A2NY Nov 24 16:59:40 why not just ash into the phone ? Nov 24 17:00:46 I like tildes :D Nov 24 17:00:52 A2NY, fine on my end Nov 24 17:01:04 hey MetaView how can I tell if I'm lagging on wirc ? Nov 24 17:01:10 I use bash, so getting home is easy Nov 24 17:02:38 or A2NY do you no how I can tell if I'm lagging in wirc ? Nov 24 17:03:11 messages are not getting rec ? Nov 24 17:03:15 on 0.0.4? Nov 24 17:03:17 drfunk, ^ Nov 24 17:03:19 and anyone that can run 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' would be helpful, I am trying to gather some data Nov 24 17:03:29 http://webos.pastebin.com/f5f3dd3c8 Nov 24 17:04:33 en0x: I believeso using the one I downloaded Nov 24 17:04:54 yes it is Nov 24 17:04:57 drfunk, nope the lag meter got implemented in git version... and it havent been released as ipk Nov 24 17:05:04 yet Nov 24 17:05:06 just checked en0x Nov 24 17:06:06 ok so no luck until a newer version is released Nov 24 17:06:12 drfunk, nope Nov 24 17:06:24 ok cool Nov 24 17:06:27 * en0x have the newest ;d Nov 24 17:07:18 http://img70.yfrog.com/i/rbz.png/ <- lag meter... ev icon orange there is a lag Nov 24 17:07:21 :P Nov 24 17:07:37 * drfunk ack Nov 24 17:09:53 hooray for wirc random disconnects Nov 24 17:10:00 rwhitby: pingalicious Nov 24 17:13:54 zsoc, did you have a chance to check out what we did with the wiki yet? Nov 24 17:14:27 cryptk: I saw a few things before, lemme look again Nov 24 17:15:03 yeah,I had a whole bunch of stuff done up and then someone else edited it while I was working on it so I had to merge the 2 together, turned out pretty good though Nov 24 17:15:34 cryptk: looking great, good job Nov 24 17:18:34 en0x: there I updated the talk page for you :p Nov 24 17:20:14 zsoc_wirc, :) Nov 24 17:33:24 wow... I am setting up a friends pre with all the patches and whatnot I use... I never realized how many of them i use... Nov 24 17:36:22 precorder = greatest advancement ever for the pre. Nov 24 17:49:39 cryptk, the auto clear coat didn't work. any other ideas? Nov 24 17:51:58 weird... Nov 24 17:52:11 did it not reflect at all, or just not enough? Nov 24 17:52:38 im bored =\ Nov 24 17:52:42 rm -rf / Nov 24 17:55:30 it works in the dark, but with sunlight, there isn't enough contrast. Nov 24 17:55:36 preston_wirc plasticolors makes some IR reflective stuff, but it is kinda pricey Nov 24 17:55:59 you can also look around for any kind of "heat reflective" paint, usually those work by reflecting the IR Nov 24 17:56:03 A2NY: please don't post malicious code in the channel Nov 24 17:56:31 I am doing that. Nov 24 17:57:16 I don't see anything malicious in his pastebin... Nov 24 17:58:01 cryptk: it was the rm -rf / I assume Nov 24 17:58:26 oh, lol Nov 24 17:58:35 I am wiping the device Nov 24 17:59:01 seeing what would happen as the boot loader is still there, it just loops Nov 24 17:59:11 wouldn't running the doctor be just as good Nov 24 17:59:17 ahh Nov 24 17:59:28 cryptk, I don't mind paying a little for it. it wasn't exactly cheap to build a 37 inch multitouch lcd. Nov 24 17:59:42 do you know where I can get it? Nov 24 18:00:03 not sure.... you could prolly find it somewhere online. Look for things that are heat reflective Nov 24 18:00:36 also if the problem with the automotive clearcoat was not enough contrast, you could try illuminating the whole thing with an IR light to try and get a little more Nov 24 18:00:55 the problem with using IR is that the baseline amount of IR vaires with the sunlight Nov 24 18:01:00 is there a free way to sync my pre to my computer? something like mark spaces product but free. Nov 24 18:01:11 s/vaires/varies Nov 24 18:01:24 why does infobot not love me... Nov 24 18:02:09 trailing / missing Nov 24 18:02:37 I've managed to overcome the problem of changing light levels for normal use, but getting it to pick up contrast is a little trickier. Nov 24 18:03:56 ahh Nov 24 18:04:32 my goal is to get it to do something cool like automatically pair bluetooth when it sees the pre sitting on it. Nov 24 18:04:59 right now it just uses a little animation with the palm logo. Nov 24 18:07:33 can wget throttle downloads ? Nov 24 18:11:11 --limit-rate=amount Nov 24 18:11:11 Limit the download speed to amount bytes per second. Amount may be expressed in bytes, kilobytes with the Nov 24 18:11:11 k suffix, or megabytes with the m suffix. Nov 24 18:11:35 A2NY: that's a copy-and-paste from the wget man page Nov 24 18:11:44 A2NY: I did not check to see if this works on the pre Nov 24 18:12:01 man wget, ill check, going to do some battery tests Nov 24 18:12:44 full charge and use evdo, limit speed for a constant Nov 24 18:14:13 I wish I could stop powerd from making the system go in standby Nov 24 18:14:49 a2ny: won't "nodoze" do that? Nov 24 18:16:46 nodoze ftw Nov 24 18:19:02 * nt4cats thinks about the idea of python on the Pre ... Nov 24 18:27:00 nt4cats: it exists via optware, no? Nov 24 18:27:13 gkatsev: I dunno, I haven't looked Nov 24 18:28:30 nt4cats: yep, its there via optware Nov 24 18:28:31 nt4cats: yep, its there via optware 13:27:00 < gkatsev> nt4cats: it exists via optware, no? Nov 24 18:28:36 oops Nov 24 18:28:39 http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Optware/Packages Nov 24 18:43:26 zsoc_wirc, I jsut got a neat idea for the precorder app... would there be any way to tie it in with a desktop to turn the pre into a webcam? only this webcam has built in storage and could record on the go... would eb great for people who do vlogs Nov 24 18:43:43 and I understand that this would be low down on the totem pole for precorder atm... just a thought Nov 24 18:45:21 cryptk: er.. I could do that for a linux box Nov 24 18:46:52 if you make it in linux, then the framework would be there... someone else could make the windows front end Nov 24 18:46:56 it was just a thought Nov 24 18:48:12 btw, I have precorder running with the phone just sitting on my desk, I wanna see how long it can go for... Nov 24 18:49:10 and is there any way to boost the audio level a little bit? it seems a touch quiet... Nov 24 18:54:23 Howdy. Nov 24 18:54:23 1:32 Nov 24 18:54:23 I'm going to do a partial erase on my phone...  Is it recommended to remove services before doing that and reinstalling afterwards with Preware? Nov 24 18:54:44 (accidently sent that to the wrong channel before. :P ) Nov 24 18:55:59 zsoc, I think I am gonna do Nov 24 18:56:37 oops... pressed enter too early, gonna do some work on the wiki discussion page, stay tuned Nov 24 18:57:37 hello....was sent here from precentral...anyone home? :) Nov 24 18:58:25 Guest: there are lots of people here. What can we do for you? Nov 24 18:58:46 thank you 4cats Nov 24 18:59:01 i cant seem to find that smartreflex patch... Nov 24 18:59:10 in theory there's a way to increase mic volume Nov 24 18:59:12 i updated Nov 24 18:59:14 feeds Nov 24 18:59:55 and was told there may be a way to search for individual feeds? Nov 24 19:01:18 I'm not familiar with the "smartreflex" patch. Where did you hear/read about it? Nov 24 19:02:25 Guest: Okay, I found a reference to the smartreflex patch on Preware's forums Nov 24 19:02:58 the smartreflex patches are located in preware. Go to Patches and then go to Dangerous Nov 24 19:03:13 Guest: they show up in my preware Nov 24 19:03:25 those patches are experimental and they can cause problems with your pre, especially the 600MHz ones Nov 24 19:03:33 so standard disclaimer applies Nov 24 19:03:56 cryptk: you beat me to it by about 17 seconds Nov 24 19:05:09 Guest: from the main Preware page/menu, select "Available Packages" -> "Patch" -> "Dangerous" Nov 24 19:05:51 lol Nov 24 19:06:47 yes thats what i tried...not showing up on my pre Nov 24 19:07:53 Guest, do you have any patches showing? Nov 24 19:08:00 yes...172 Nov 24 19:08:22 Guest: what version of webOS are you running? Nov 24 19:08:42 1.3.2 Nov 24 19:08:46 1.3.1 lol sorry Nov 24 19:09:11 are you running the most up to date version of preware and the package manager service? Nov 24 19:10:26 Guest81953 why do u want to run ur phone at 600? Nov 24 19:10:26 im not sure of that cryptk... i thought so Nov 24 19:10:41 v.0.9.4 Nov 24 19:10:53 guest: that's quite old Nov 24 19:10:53 do u no its bad to do so and u have a good chance of not having a phone in 3 months? Nov 24 19:11:04 if there is an update to preware available, it will be listed under preware on the main screen. The top option "Package updates". Nov 24 19:11:23 make sure that there is not an update for "Preware" or "Package Manager Service" listed in there Nov 24 19:11:26 * nt4cats doesn't want to run something that may reduce the effective life of your CPU to < 6 months Nov 24 19:11:35 if there is, install the package manager service first Nov 24 19:11:39 i did read that but i also that may have not been the case Nov 24 19:11:40 correct nt4cats Nov 24 19:11:54 but u can alos run it at 500 no? Nov 24 19:11:56 * nt4cats wonders why his IRC client is eating his "quotes" Nov 24 19:12:02 * cryptk agrees, but the smartreflex 500MHz *should* be fairly safe Nov 24 19:12:13 Guest81953 its running at 500 now Nov 24 19:12:17 im trying to speed up my pre..universal search crawls Nov 24 19:12:17 * nt4cats can escape his quotes and " they " show " up " now Nov 24 19:12:20 * cryptk loves to eat quotes nom nom nom Nov 24 19:12:52 beleive me I know im out of my league here so please dont chew me up too bad here Nov 24 19:13:05 no problem guest Nov 24 19:13:19 so guest, did you check for any preware updates? Nov 24 19:13:24 no update for me on preware Nov 24 19:13:49 Guest: no one is chewing you up -- but a few of us are wary of running something that could damage your hardware, that's all. We're making sure you know the risks before you \"jump in to the pool\" Nov 24 19:13:51 u mean on package updates right cryptyk Nov 24 19:13:59 hah -- escapes not needed there Nov 24 19:14:06 yes, in package updates Nov 24 19:14:09 cats..i totally apreciate the advice Nov 24 19:14:32 * cryptk just finished doing fome formatting on the precorder wiki discussion page to sort it out a little... http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application_talk:Precorder Nov 24 19:14:33 yea..no updates there for me cryptk Nov 24 19:14:53 only filecoaster Nov 24 19:15:20 hrm...go to the preware menu in the top left corner and click on manage feeds, are any of them turned off? Nov 24 19:15:29 hey zsoc Nov 24 19:16:07 Guest81953 look under obsolete Nov 24 19:16:16 that is where u will find what ur looking for Nov 24 19:16:16 dont have that choice?? Nov 24 19:16:47 under packages Nov 24 19:16:52 in the drop down menu i have prefs, update,help Nov 24 19:17:01 mobgod, I thought the patches were just moved to the dangerous category and were being maintained there Nov 24 19:17:02 cryptk Nov 24 19:17:04 CTLAdvance-work: hm? Nov 24 19:17:31 Guest, click on help, what version of preware does it list in there? Nov 24 19:17:33 is it 0.9.12 Nov 24 19:17:57 .4 ugh Nov 24 19:18:14 therein lies the problem? Nov 24 19:18:20 use webos quick install, uninstall preware and the package manager service and then reinstall the latest versions Nov 24 19:18:28 package manager service first Nov 24 19:18:36 that should fix ya up Nov 24 19:19:23 thank you guys/gals! very helpful! Nov 24 19:19:38 np ;) Nov 24 19:21:09 zsoc_wirc is there a reason the icon for precorder is a blue background with a moon? or is athat a default icon of some sort? Nov 24 19:24:47 cryptk: default. I forgot to push the icon. i'll be in the update Nov 24 19:25:24 zsoc_wirc: I've been playing with precorder all day. Nov 24 19:25:34 hey cryptk guess he might not have a phone soon bc that is crazy to do Nov 24 19:25:41 Works well enough. Although longer videos (1m+) are a bit of a crapshoot. Nov 24 19:25:46 ird: break your phone yet? Nov 24 19:26:14 And I got the generic index.html to display somehow. Nov 24 19:26:22 That you get from a blank app. Nov 24 19:26:41 awesome Nov 24 19:26:41 mobgod, I agree... I was puching the 500MHz variants though... Nov 24 19:26:46 I double tapped the record button twice and it appeared. Nov 24 19:26:46 :p Nov 24 19:26:48 I hope he has insurance... Nov 24 19:26:55 lol Nov 24 19:27:06 cryptk how did the 500 work out for ya Nov 24 19:27:08 zsoc_wirc: also the issue with the pre falling asleep. Nov 24 19:27:16 500 works well so far Nov 24 19:27:46 cryptk witch one did u do the powersave one or the other or both Nov 24 19:27:58 ird I can make it stay awake Nov 24 19:28:00 I did the smartreflex Nov 24 19:28:24 ok test #1 running :D Nov 24 19:28:25 cryptk so u didnt do the powersave one than Nov 24 19:28:36 no, it said not to do both Nov 24 19:28:54 well, they are both listed as powersave I think Nov 24 19:28:58 if you want to save battery, turn the brightness down lol Nov 24 19:29:02 but one is smartreflex and one is CPU scaling Nov 24 19:29:25 zsoc_wirc: But I'm not sure if it's the service just being a little buggy or the pre falling asleep. Nov 24 19:29:31 cryptk do u see a difference Nov 24 19:29:58 lol Nov 24 19:30:00 new apps Nov 24 19:30:05 and 3 new fart apps Nov 24 19:30:05 :S Nov 24 19:30:10 ird: service doesn't actually control the pipeline. Nov 24 19:30:11 zsoc_wirc: I got one 2 min and some odd video to work once. But towards the end the audio became jittery and it sped up and slowed down randomly. It sounded kind of cool though. Nov 24 19:30:13 no difference in speed (I used the 500MHz one so that is to be expected), it is too early to tell a batter life change, especially since I have been playing with precorder so much Nov 24 19:30:27 ird: AND it should work even while asleep, not sure wy it doesnt Nov 24 19:30:57 zsoc_wirc: That's what I'm saying. Maybe it's just the service or the app, or something else. Nov 24 19:31:31 where are the videos stored for precorder? Nov 24 19:31:51 hemna, in /media/internal Nov 24 19:31:56 They need to put a temp icon for the video recorder. Nov 24 19:31:56 '/media/internal' ? Nov 24 19:32:04 videoCapture_2009_11_24_11_18_37_PST.mp4 Nov 24 19:32:09 I guess that must be it? 0 bytes Nov 24 19:32:13 it should put it in media/internal/video Nov 24 19:32:23 The first video is always 0bytes. Nov 24 19:32:30 ah ok Nov 24 19:32:31 heh Nov 24 19:32:33 zsoc_wirc: But all in all, it works great. And sorry for bugging the crap out of you last night :p Nov 24 19:32:38 It's alpha lol. Nov 24 19:32:59 Templarian, dont be a hater... not everyone knows what alpha version is Nov 24 19:33:00 ;p Nov 24 19:33:07 zsoc_wirc: throw up that temp icon. Nov 24 19:33:10 ok just tried a second recording...0 bytes Nov 24 19:33:19 hemna, did u change any settings? Nov 24 19:33:28 audio -> mp3 Nov 24 19:33:32 hemna, thats why Nov 24 19:33:35 doh ok Nov 24 19:33:36 aac only works now Nov 24 19:33:46 according to my tests Nov 24 19:33:57 ok trying aac Nov 24 19:34:06 * Templarian realized that he needs to clean off the lens on his phone. Nov 24 19:34:58 lol getting an average 600mA drain running constant evdo & gps & screen full bright Nov 24 19:35:00 how do u clean it outside? Nov 24 19:35:20 ok that worked, thanks Nov 24 19:35:24 en0x take the battery cover off and use a q-tip or something that won't scratch it. Nov 24 19:35:35 I just cleaned it... much better. Nov 24 19:35:46 I used a q-tip works perfect. Nov 24 19:36:17 en0x: any reason why you didn't use the temp icon I made? Nov 24 19:36:37 * Templarian thinks hehe temp icon. Nov 24 19:37:30 what temp icon? Nov 24 19:37:45 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Image:Icon_WebOSInternals_Camera.png Nov 24 19:37:52 The one they had me make for you. Nov 24 19:38:09 i'm not involved in this project Nov 24 19:38:11 lol Nov 24 19:38:17 Oh thought you were. Nov 24 19:38:22 nope Nov 24 19:38:43 where do u put it in the application? Nov 24 19:38:50 oops mixed up zsoc with en0x lol Nov 24 19:38:52 so i wont have a stupid moon on blue Nov 24 19:39:08 Can someone with precorder installed tell me if their regular camera works? Nov 24 19:39:14 yea, that icon is much better Nov 24 19:39:38 * Templarian still has to design up a nice one, but they take a while. Nov 24 19:39:56 ird: mine is working fine Nov 24 19:40:07 ird: Did yours break? Nov 24 19:40:11 ird, mine works great also Nov 24 19:40:16 I don't know it's precorder or just me. Nov 24 19:40:19 I doubt it is. Nov 24 19:40:33 ird, my camera works fine too Nov 24 19:40:34 It will take one picture, then go black and I have to swipe the app away to take another. Nov 24 19:40:44 yeah, mine works fine Nov 24 19:42:08 is the camera zoomable? prolly, not, i guess Nov 24 19:42:12 Anyone check out the WoW armory application update... Nov 24 19:42:20 gkatsev: it would just be a digital zoom. Nov 24 19:42:29 digital zoom sux Nov 24 19:42:29 right Nov 24 19:44:41 it's not gonna look too good played back at a resolution higher than the native, right? Nov 24 19:45:59 i would love to see vga resolution Nov 24 19:45:59 ;D Nov 24 19:48:05 is there no way to delete vids on the pre? Do you have to use that swipe to delete vids patch? Nov 24 19:48:54 yeah Nov 24 19:48:56 yeah Nov 24 19:49:00 or install internalz Nov 24 19:49:02 or if internalz or w/e can delete Nov 24 19:49:05 or use terminal Nov 24 19:49:22 or plug it to ur pc Nov 24 19:49:39 ssh into it Nov 24 19:50:46 or do partial erase Nov 24 19:50:47 :D Nov 24 19:51:10 rea: I'm using internalz (just installed it this morning for the express purpose of deleting videos) Nov 24 19:51:10 6 options, pick your favorite, lol Nov 24 19:51:23 oh who wants to testa fork bomb on pre? Nov 24 19:51:24 :> Nov 24 19:51:37 it probably wont work Nov 24 19:51:52 oh who wants to test a "120 foot fall out of window onto concrete" test on their pre? Nov 24 19:52:05 infobot: fork bomb Nov 24 19:52:06 * infobot creates an identical bomb, but with a different id Nov 24 19:52:15 ~fork bomb Nov 24 19:52:16 * infobot creates an identical bomb, but with a different id Nov 24 19:52:18 nt4cats, ;D Nov 24 19:52:23 :(){:|:&};: Nov 24 19:53:10 * cryptk is still working on getting aircrack to run from his pre... Nov 24 19:53:23 lol Nov 24 19:53:27 so I installed the new webos update without removing any preware patches Nov 24 19:53:55 gkatsev, ;d tell mobgod to run it ;D Nov 24 19:53:55 hozer, congratz Nov 24 19:53:56 ;d Nov 24 19:54:08 run what Nov 24 19:54:17 and now I can't install updates for the patches :P Nov 24 19:54:19 mobgod, see what gkatsev entered ;) Nov 24 19:54:23 mobgod: Nov 24 19:54:23 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nov 24 19:54:28 oops Nov 24 19:54:31 lol Nov 24 19:54:35 mobgod: this: :(){:|:&};: Nov 24 19:54:38 mobgod, :(){:|:&};: Nov 24 19:54:40 on ur pre Nov 24 19:54:45 yo Nov 24 19:54:49 i did it nothing happened Nov 24 19:54:56 it will show u baloons on screen Nov 24 19:55:27 it didnt do anything Nov 24 19:55:28 let us know if your pre starts smoking Nov 24 19:55:40 did nothing shut off Nov 24 19:55:46 wont go back on Nov 24 19:55:50 hozer, have you tried running the Emergency Patch recovery in preware? Nov 24 19:55:50 lol Nov 24 19:55:53 lol Nov 24 19:55:54 * en0x hides Nov 24 19:56:02 <.< Nov 24 19:56:03 >.> Nov 24 19:56:09 lol Nov 24 19:56:23 wow its hot Nov 24 19:56:35 hozer: and the webos repair utility Nov 24 19:56:35 en0x: rm -rf /tmp Nov 24 19:56:35 if it starts wearing a top hat, victorian clothing and talking in a british voice, that is also worth noting Nov 24 19:56:48 nah Nov 24 19:56:53 mobgod: you should probably take the battery out Nov 24 19:57:04 like now Nov 24 19:57:05 gkatsev, it should reboot hmm Nov 24 19:57:15 but it didnt Nov 24 19:57:25 A2NY, i tell u what u can do Nov 24 19:57:29 A2NY, rm -rf /boot/* Nov 24 19:57:30 :D Nov 24 19:57:43 en0x: it is possible the kernal doesnt have protection for the fork bomb, i dont know why it wouldnt. but i guess they didnt put it in Nov 24 19:57:55 access denied! Nov 24 19:58:07 what did u guys do to me Nov 24 19:58:19 * mobgod there goes the PRE Nov 24 19:58:22 mobgod: did you really fork it ? Nov 24 19:58:24 * en0x points at gkatsev Nov 24 19:58:27 mount -o remount,rw /; sudo rm -rf / Nov 24 19:58:39 rootfs_open Nov 24 19:58:43 DONT TYPE THAT IN Nov 24 19:58:47 rootfs_open -w Nov 24 19:58:47 ;) Nov 24 19:58:51 rm -rf /boot/* Nov 24 19:58:53 copy/paste it ;) Nov 24 19:58:56 hehe Nov 24 19:59:07 atleast we got some people talking Nov 24 19:59:08 i like the "mount -o remount,rw /" because its the same either way. Nov 24 19:59:17 mobgod: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fork_bomb Nov 24 19:59:18 its ok i dont have a phone bc i have 2 more Nov 24 19:59:19 yeah me too actually Nov 24 19:59:27 where do I find emergency patch recovery Nov 24 19:59:29 I set up alias's for them, im too lazy Nov 24 19:59:39 hozer: preware, just search for it Nov 24 19:59:43 RO & RW Nov 24 20:00:01 hozer do u have preware installed Nov 24 20:00:03 yeah, the mount -o the only difference is rw and ro. Nov 24 20:00:12 wow Nov 24 20:00:32 wow ? Nov 24 20:01:30 yes, preware installed. Nov 24 20:01:51 go into preware prefrences, set "Show Other" to yes Nov 24 20:01:57 then restart preware Nov 24 20:02:10 gkatsev that is funny u can do that in java also Nov 24 20:02:29 mobgod: yeah, but if you delete the .class, it wont do much else, lol Nov 24 20:02:36 then EPR will be located under "Available Other" > Linuz Applications > Utilities > Emergency patch recovery Nov 24 20:02:48 s/linuz/linux/ Nov 24 20:02:58 infobot, why do you hate me... Nov 24 20:02:59 why not? Nov 24 20:03:04 HAHA Nov 24 20:03:15 cryptk: Linuz not linuz Nov 24 20:03:25 battery temps 42C Nov 24 20:03:27 xD Nov 24 20:03:43 oh... case sensativity... I keep typoing when I am fixing my typos... Nov 24 20:04:02 gkatsev so just need to do this while (sleep 100 &!) do; done Nov 24 20:04:21 to stop it or the killall ect... Nov 24 20:04:28 cryptk: thanks ;) much better now Nov 24 20:04:33 I can get my 4x4 icons back Nov 24 20:04:47 after the EPR finished installing, reboot your phone Nov 24 20:04:53 BEFORE you reinstall any patches Nov 24 20:05:12 whoops ;) Nov 24 20:05:17 and you may want to run Jason's repair utility as well jsut to be safe Nov 24 20:05:24 ... hozer ... Nov 24 20:05:33 your name is appropriate, lol... hozer... Nov 24 20:05:47 quite Nov 24 20:06:24 I think this would be time for me to set up SSH and rsync-backup the entire filesystem Nov 24 20:06:29 hey can anyone tell me with the precorder when u record why cant i see what i'm recording Nov 24 20:06:55 because it is an alpha version Nov 24 20:06:59 very early release Nov 24 20:07:02 there is no preview yet Nov 24 20:07:07 it isn't finished Nov 24 20:07:16 got ya Nov 24 20:07:23 44C =\ Nov 24 20:08:00 A2NY, you haven't stopped the fork yet? Nov 24 20:08:09 cryptk: at least I can go look at the diffs/rejects Nov 24 20:09:39 I am running evdo, camera, gps :D Nov 24 20:09:46 getting some battery data Nov 24 20:09:54 cryptk: seems fine.. all I had installed was confirm delete and reduce min brightness Nov 24 20:10:17 it probably is Nov 24 20:10:22 BTW, I got a touchstone last night, and I really like having the phone on my desk Nov 24 20:10:31 id run the fork too if I could gather data, but nothing is printed to logs so I can't Nov 24 20:10:39 touchstone rox Nov 24 20:10:59 now if I could just get touchstone magnets in my pdaskins PDA case instead of having to put velcro on the phone... Nov 24 20:11:22 almost 800mA draw Nov 24 20:12:03 A2NY: how do you read that? Nov 24 20:12:22 is there a sensor in the phone, or do you have a meter on the USB? Nov 24 20:12:23 there is a homebrew app to see it Nov 24 20:12:37 battery monitor I think the name is Nov 24 20:12:41 nah Nov 24 20:12:56 there is also a system menu where you can see it at Nov 24 20:13:03 cat /var/log/messages | grep BATTERY_IPC Nov 24 20:13:40 also it seems smart reflex is enabled on the phone and it only controls L3 Nov 24 20:14:37 it switched between different OPP's Nov 24 20:14:50 so, what is the difference between smartreflex and cpu scaling and what is recommended Nov 24 20:15:03 I was wondering about that Nov 24 20:15:18 * hozer was just looking at the patches labeled 'dangerous' ;) Nov 24 20:15:24 going back into webos logs from july when I was first getting info... Nov 24 20:15:24 i see the "add feed" section in preware... but its all grey'd out. Is that normal? Nov 24 20:15:42 a user noted he saw VDD2 (L3) changing between 2-3 Nov 24 20:15:47 cpu scaling, the voltage to the CPU stays the same, the speed of the processor is lowered when needed Nov 24 20:15:51 that is built into linux Nov 24 20:16:04 smart reflex, the speed of the processor stays the same, the voltage drops when neede Nov 24 20:16:09 s/neede/needed Nov 24 20:16:24 cryptk do u use one of them Nov 24 20:16:24 argh... trailing slash... I hate you infobot Nov 24 20:16:33 smart reflex is built into the processor Nov 24 20:16:36 I use smartreflex Nov 24 20:16:40 ~smack cryptk Nov 24 20:16:41 * infobot smacks cryptk upside the head. Nov 24 20:16:49 cryptk: smartrelfex can work with cpu frequency Nov 24 20:17:18 I never said it couldn't Nov 24 20:17:23 so which should give me best performance and battery life? Nov 24 20:17:27 but it isn't recommended Nov 24 20:17:35 by who ? Nov 24 20:17:39 then you have the processor chainging the voltage, the OS changing the feq Nov 24 20:17:56 if the OS raises the freq and the processor has lowered the voltage... you can get a freeze Nov 24 20:18:04 << big time overclocker Nov 24 20:18:26 so is there a kernel-level driver for this? Nov 24 20:18:29 << doesn't want a dead CPU in 6 months or less Nov 24 20:18:36 that is why any time that people are working on overclocking one of the first things they do is disable the ability of the OS and the processor to lower their freq or vcore Nov 24 20:18:49 * cryptk agrees with n4cats, I run teh 500MHz variant Nov 24 20:19:05 cryptk: the 500MHz of? smartreflex or cpu scaling? Nov 24 20:19:10 smartreflex Nov 24 20:19:24 why not the 600MHz one? Nov 24 20:19:27 how's the battery savings with it? Nov 24 20:19:34 the kernel should prevent the cpu scaling from uping the frequency when the smartreflex voltage is low Nov 24 20:19:37 if you are going to run any kind of scaling technology, if it is built into the CPU it will be more stable Nov 24 20:19:47 smartreflex is a function of the CPU, hence more stability Nov 24 20:19:55 I see remotewin for RDP is there anything for VNC yet? Nov 24 20:20:08 hasn't there been preVNC for a while or something? Nov 24 20:20:30 cryptk: is there a doc on how the smartreflex linux drivers work? Nov 24 20:20:31 smartreflex adjusts voltage based on freq Nov 24 20:20:43 I am sure there is somewhere... I don't know where though Nov 24 20:21:00 smartreflex adjusts voltage based on freq AND load Nov 24 20:21:14 smartreflex enables linux-based cpu scaling, too, right? Nov 24 20:21:40 smart reflex has no control over freq Nov 24 20:21:53 a2ny, from TI: "SmartReflex technologies are a broad range of intelligent and adaptive hardware and software techniques that dynamically control voltage, frequency and power based on device activity, modes of operation and temperature." Nov 24 20:22:05 they made the processor Nov 24 20:22:10 anyone have a link to webOS Doctor 1.2? Nov 24 20:22:39 damn marketing buzzwords, I want to see the tech docs ;) Nov 24 20:22:59 here is a link to the whitepaper on smartreflex hover http://focus.ti.com/pdfs/wtbu/smartreflex_whitepaper.pdf Nov 24 20:23:07 cryptk: sure they *made* it, but do they *know* about it? Nov 24 20:23:15 lol Nov 24 20:23:18 haha Nov 24 20:23:39 show me where smartreflex controls freq Nov 24 20:23:40 Anyone here know much about linux framebuffer programming? Nov 24 20:24:12 Roy-Pre101: ameng, and he's never around Nov 24 20:24:16 hehe, precentral is 5th result on google for smartreflex Nov 24 20:24:25 and 6th Nov 24 20:24:29 you can't because you are set to U S E R S P A C E Nov 24 20:24:53 setting userspace uses the frequency set, ex. 500000 Nov 24 20:25:43 now, check your OPP on your VDD1, what is it currently ? Nov 24 20:25:50 check VDD2 as well Nov 24 20:26:22 ok A2ny, let me clarify... smartreflex is designed to control vcore and freq... the implimentation of it used by pre users does NOT adjust cpu freq because it is a hack, not a full implimentation... if smartreflex is integrated into the KERNEL of the linux OS then it CAN control cpu freq Nov 24 20:26:26 you happy now Nov 24 20:26:47 god... some people... Nov 24 20:26:55 so, would smartreflex 600Mh be ok in terms of battery life? Nov 24 20:27:11 in terms of battery life, yes... cpu life, probably not Nov 24 20:27:18 hrrm Nov 24 20:27:26 ok Nov 24 20:27:34 I should hit up TI for some consulting $$ to write a decent linux smartreflex kernel driver Nov 24 20:27:37 zsoc_wirc, the precorder service uses your fixed gstreamer library/binaries yea? Nov 24 20:27:52 egaudet_work: it does Nov 24 20:28:13 egaudet it is or something of RemoteWin which unless I'm mistaken is for RDP not VNC Nov 24 20:28:36 egaudet: yes, why? Nov 24 20:28:37 djk1, not following? Nov 24 20:28:52 There's a new Yule Log!!!! Nov 24 20:29:08 hehe, a lot of links on google for smartreflex vs cpu scaling is from precentral.net Nov 24 20:29:19 just curious, was thinking about the path towards a C service Nov 24 20:29:21 cryptk: I would still like to know what your VDD1&VDD2 are currently running at since you are running SR patch Nov 24 20:29:56 btw congrats on the release of alpha zsoc_wirc. Very exciting stuff :) Nov 24 20:30:30 egaudet: thank you, it was more of an accidental release Nov 24 20:31:17 a2ny, I haven;t looked into getting the vdd1 on a palm pre Nov 24 20:31:23 I can't wait to try it out Nov 24 20:31:27 s/haven;t/haven't/ Nov 24 20:31:40 infobot... I hate you Nov 24 20:31:50 and my fat fingers... Nov 24 20:32:03 djk1, oh I see what you mean. PreVNC IS remoteWin Nov 24 20:32:31 a2ny is it listed under sys/class/hwmon? Nov 24 20:32:57 I'll give the remotewin a try and see if it supporting VNC I thought originally it was only windows RDP Nov 24 20:33:20 cat /sys/power/vdd1_opp_value Nov 24 20:33:21 djk1, yea sorry I have no idea Nov 24 20:34:03 hi! is there a reason why the messaging plugins for icq etc are not available via preware? Nov 24 20:34:25 all I know is I checked out the remoteLinux one and it required a closed binary and mono or whatnot to be run on my linux host. Not sure what the state/status of those apps are Nov 24 20:34:56 a2ny it is at 3 right now Nov 24 20:35:32 so I forgot to unpatch all of my patches when installing 1.3.1. now i upgraded preware and it thinks all these patches are installed, but it cant unpatch them Nov 24 20:35:36 any ideas howto fix this? Nov 24 20:35:56 EPR Nov 24 20:35:57 i just want to clear preware into thinking a ton of patches are installed when they arent Nov 24 20:36:39 cryptk: ok so with smartreflex vdd1 is running between 1.2-1.0v Nov 24 20:36:48 that is OPP3 Nov 24 20:36:50 What gkatsev said: emergency patch recovery. Nov 24 20:36:59 ooh thats what EPR is Nov 24 20:37:09 I was using the phone atm though, lemme SSH in and check it while it is in standby Nov 24 20:37:32 when the pre first boots SR is set to 4 (550mhz, 1.27-1.07v) Nov 24 20:37:42 brb, phone Nov 24 20:37:46 here is the thing Nov 24 20:37:56 that I need to confirm, SR is set on BYPASS in the kernel Nov 24 20:38:21 Where is the new Yule Log? Nov 24 20:39:03 test_: PreWare Nov 24 20:39:21 okay, is there any patch to make an analog clock on the screen that shows up when the pre is on the touchstone? Nov 24 20:39:50 no, do you not like the digital clock? Nov 24 20:40:09 I want a damn nice looking analog one ;) Nov 24 20:40:33 write a patch, probably not too hard Nov 24 20:41:09 true. But maybe if I whine here a couple of times someone else will do it :) Nov 24 20:41:35 has anyone gotten lm_sensors to work on their pre ? Nov 24 20:45:41 * A2NY looks like I will have to try it out Nov 24 20:48:10 sweet EPR worked great Nov 24 20:48:11 thx Nov 24 20:51:49 anyone having trouble w laest package manager update? keep getting a too many cards error and my pre is running crappy...tryin to narrow down the cause.... Nov 24 20:52:42 it's the webos 1.3.1 Nov 24 20:52:44 i have the same thing Nov 24 20:52:52 every couple days i have to reboot my pre Nov 24 20:54:14 ahhh was thinkin that...my telenav is also screwed since 1.3.1 she stutters and leaves out street names occasionally, crashed my Pre once while trying to reroute me..anyone else? Nov 24 20:55:39 egaudet_work: RemoteWin is not for VNC protocol. Nov 24 20:56:32 RunKg, yea I noticed that. Just completely chops off things Nov 24 20:56:39 "Continue to North" Nov 24 20:56:43 rather than the route Nov 24 20:56:44 lol Nov 24 20:57:22 yap Nov 24 20:57:26 same thing with notifications Nov 24 20:57:33 sometimes they come up sometimes not Nov 24 20:57:38 for email/missed calls Nov 24 20:57:46 ya...thinkin of doctorin my Pre, trying to find out if people without patched Pre's are having same issues Nov 24 20:59:08 I did notice that 1.3.1 gives playSound duration time parameter now or something I think Nov 24 21:01:07 as Precorder is updated, can we obtain the latest version by running the precorder-bootstrap command from Terminal? Nov 24 21:01:39 lol battery 0% Nov 24 21:03:17 Was there another precorder update Nov 24 21:03:19 ? Nov 24 21:06:38 a2ny, any luck with lmsensors? Nov 24 21:08:27 Howdy Nov 24 21:09:11 hello Nov 24 21:10:09 just got back from in n out :D Nov 24 21:10:36 the pre is dead, and won't start until it get a good charge =\ Nov 24 21:10:52 I hear in n out's where its at. hard to say tho on the east coast Nov 24 21:13:03 anybody here Know much about restoring personal data fro the PalmDatabase.db3 file? if so that'd be sweeeet Nov 24 21:13:32 ok need to install opt/ssh/etc Nov 24 21:17:54 zsoc_wirc: syn|ack Nov 24 21:19:51 how is freeTether coming along? Nov 24 21:19:59 willjitsu I haven't looked at the bootstrap script myself to verity, but you should be able to Nov 24 21:20:09 s/verity/verify Nov 24 21:21:45 cryptk: don't worry - 'T' is the new 'F'. Nov 24 21:21:58 haha Nov 24 21:22:06 one of theese days I will get the infobot to like me Nov 24 21:22:17 s/worry/fret/ Nov 24 21:22:17 nt4cats meant: cryptk: don't fret - 'T' is the new 'F'. Nov 24 21:22:28 cryptk: ok thanks Nov 24 21:22:35 ahh, trailing slash again Nov 24 21:22:51 s/again/once more/ Nov 24 21:22:52 cryptk meant: ahh, trailing slash once more Nov 24 21:23:01 there we go! Nov 24 21:23:47 WillJitsu: yes, the boostrap script will always install or update to the latest version Nov 24 21:23:52 Riley1 yea u can Nov 24 21:24:42 Riley1 http://www.precentral.net/how-back-your-palm-profile-information Nov 24 21:26:22 rwhitby: cool. thank you. Nov 24 21:26:50 F%^@ Nov 24 21:26:56 it flushed logs Nov 24 21:27:07 Hey all, Is there any update on getting ogg support on the pre? Nov 24 21:27:22 mobgod thanks for the tip will check it out, I think I've been using that method tho and when I restore I lose data or get the "restore required" message Nov 24 21:29:13 a2ny, could you write a script on your desktop to grab the logs via ssh every few minutes? Nov 24 21:29:30 err, not ssh, ftp rather Nov 24 21:29:52 and then when the phone finally turns off, the flushed logs wouldn't matter since you already have them Nov 24 21:30:25 I think the optware bootstrap installs sftp... Nov 24 21:31:54 rwhitby: the last time we talked (almost a week ago) -- I sat there and banged out a quick POC conflict-finder. To make sure it'd be fast enough I loaded it with 20,000 simulated patch entries across a few dozen files -- it generated the conflict list in 0.006 seconds. I think that is fast enough. I haven't had 2 minutes to think about it since then Nov 24 21:32:45 rwhitby: I should be able to make some progress as we have a 4-day holiday coming up Thursday-Sunday here Nov 24 21:32:54 nt4cats: cool Nov 24 21:33:05 you could have them emailed to you Nov 24 21:33:17 write to file, then send them off Nov 24 21:33:43 I need lm-sensors working Nov 24 21:34:12 why Nov 24 21:34:53 nt4cats, POC conflict finder? Nov 24 21:35:16 rwhitby: that is first-order conflicts (patches whose line numbers and file numbers overlap) ... there are also second-order conflicts where a patch that adds or deletes lines can break other patches who can no longer find their "before" context Nov 24 21:35:44 egaudet_work: figure out what patches are trying to modify the same files (in the same areas) so that they can be flagged as incompatible in the feed Nov 24 21:36:08 nt4cats: agreed. as long as it takes into account the context already in the patch it should be fine Nov 24 21:36:15 when you say first-order line numbers, is that adjusted line numbers based on context (i.e. what GNU patch would actually touch) or straight from .patch line numbers Nov 24 21:37:45 egaudet_work: I have to do some testing to see exactly what works and what doesn't in the following scenario ... Nov 24 21:38:30 e_w: patch #1 is generated against the baseline/stock file_a.txt. It adds five lines between the original lines 10 and 11. Nov 24 21:38:56 e_w: patch #2 is generated against the baseline/stock file_a.txt. It changes one word on line 20 (add/remove line 20). Nov 24 21:39:41 e_w: if you apply p2 and then p1, all is fine. I assume that if you apply p1 and then p2 -- p2 will fail because line 20 in the post-p1 file_a.txt is not what it expects Nov 24 21:40:43 anyone help getting lm-sensors w/ the twl4030 Nov 24 21:41:01 e_w: ... if so, a "conflict finding" system would have to be able to report that you can apply P1 to a system with no patches or P2. but you can only apply P2 if P1 is not present. Nov 24 21:41:40 e_w: so in my made-up terminology, a 'first-order' conflict is where two patches directly conflict (try and modify the same line[s]) and there is a two-way "not compatbile with" relationship Nov 24 21:42:12 e_w: ... and a 'second-order' conflict is the patch #1 and patch #2 scenario Nov 24 21:42:43 heyh PuffTheMagic you around Nov 24 21:42:48 e_w: you're silent, so either i'm being confusing or I'm an idiot. Nov 24 21:42:53 (or both) Nov 24 21:42:54 sampson: yeah Nov 24 21:43:14 any way i can get a beta of your tethering app? i gotta fly home tomorrow and need to be available for work :3 Nov 24 21:43:26 usb is all i need in a tether app Nov 24 21:44:24 sampson: i might have a version in the testing feed you can try tonight Nov 24 21:44:30 woot Nov 24 21:44:31 sampson: how u gonna use evdo in a plane? Nov 24 21:44:36 airport Nov 24 21:44:46 i'm too cheap to pay the $15 for the hotspot virus infested bs Nov 24 21:45:49 oh yeah.... i wouldnt use that shit either Nov 24 21:46:04 sampson: yeah it pretty much works like butter for usb Nov 24 21:46:05 and i got a 3 hour layover tomorrow Nov 24 21:46:15 what do you have to do to make it work? just plug it in the pc and it goes? Nov 24 21:46:28 windows i take it? Nov 24 21:47:02 nt4cats, your example is not incompatble patches Nov 24 21:47:08 ya Nov 24 21:47:13 patch 1 and patch 2 will both apply fine Nov 24 21:47:26 GNU Patch can use the context to adjust the line number Nov 24 21:47:31 sampson: do you have usbnet working? Nov 24 21:47:32 egaudet_work: well, that is why I used the term "testing" and "assumption" Nov 24 21:47:46 no i haven't done any tethering on this phone yet at all Nov 24 21:47:54 egaudet_work: ... then what I was calling second-order patch conflicts are not an issue Nov 24 21:49:25 egaudet_work: but thanks for the heads up Nov 24 21:50:06 egaudet_work: I've used patches and diffs lightly, but I'm far (far! far!) from an expert. Nov 24 21:50:12 I don't know the exact logic used behind GNU Patch but only when the context does not match will it fail Nov 24 21:51:26 * nt4cats has to run and catch a train -- I'll be back online in 20 minutes Nov 24 21:53:26 PuffTheMagic: just need this right? http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/USBnet_networking_setup#Windows_7_RC_Build_7100_.2864-bit.29 Nov 24 21:54:28 sampson: i have no idea about this on windows Nov 24 21:54:34 buf if u can get usbnet working Nov 24 21:54:38 then freeTether will work Nov 24 21:55:12 man Nov 24 21:55:32 i don't think that disclaimer on each of the 435283475298347958179832745 600MHZ apps is long enough Nov 24 21:55:42 s/apps/patches/ Nov 24 21:55:42 Mousey meant: i don't think that disclaimer on each of the 435283475298347958179832745 600MHZ patches is long enough Nov 24 21:55:43 o k Nov 24 21:56:08 s/o/WHAT?! o/ Nov 24 21:56:09 sampson meant: WHAT?! o k Nov 24 21:56:13 teehee Nov 24 21:56:25 does infobot know regex Nov 24 21:58:54 ~regex Nov 24 21:58:56 it has been said that regex is ^[$%]?s/.*?:(?:\\\\\\\\\\\\\)+/.*[^\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\]/[i]?$ Nov 24 21:59:17 lol Nov 24 21:59:30 well there you have it Nov 24 22:06:58 does this site work for anyone.. Nov 24 22:06:58 http://www.lm-sensors.org/ Nov 24 22:08:51 yep Nov 24 22:10:09 PuffTheMagic: usbnet is installed and ready to go! Nov 24 22:10:38 sampson: u sure it is? Nov 24 22:11:10 PuffTheMagic: does your app use a background service ? Nov 24 22:11:11 yeah i just installed it Nov 24 22:11:19 did usbenable and now when i plug it in the linux adapter shows up Nov 24 22:11:19 A2NY: yeah Nov 24 22:11:32 just disabled it tho because i have no need to ping my pre Nov 24 22:11:37 Hey! On webos-internals you talk about a Palm Emulator. Where could I get this? Nov 24 22:11:45 sampson: i would leave it enabled Nov 24 22:11:48 Thoddi: you mean the palmos classic one? Nov 24 22:11:49 it wont hurt anything Nov 24 22:11:59 k Nov 24 22:12:03 Thoddi: it's just called 'classic' it should be in the app catalogue in the US, it doesn't seem to show up in europe Nov 24 22:12:09 woot, my pixi should be shipping out today Nov 24 22:12:32 classic is HORRIBLE so you aren't missing anything Nov 24 22:12:39 the latest version is the most unstable yet Nov 24 22:12:55 sampson: it's nice to be given the choice to witness something horrible ;) Nov 24 22:13:02 luckily for me i never used palmos apps Nov 24 22:13:04 i guess Nov 24 22:13:14 i like pssh :3 Nov 24 22:13:15 sampson: srsly, EU are on 1.3.1 now, what the hell is going on with stuff like classic and the EU app catalogue? Nov 24 22:13:20 Marajin: Puuh. Don't know what you mean. I was hoping for an emulator to find out, if the palm pre could be a thing to boy. Nov 24 22:13:30 devs are stupid and only submitted their apps for the american market Nov 24 22:13:35 s/boy/buy/ Nov 24 22:13:36 Thoddi meant: Marajin: Puuh. Don't know what you mean. I was hoping for an emulator to find out, if the palm pre could be a thing to buy. Nov 24 22:13:40 Thoddi: ah you want the webos/pre emulator? it's part of the SDK Nov 24 22:14:17 Thoddi, the emulator is available via palm's developer website Nov 24 22:14:30 (You got an bot working here that answers to regular expressions? :->>) Nov 24 22:14:36 PuffTheMagic: so i take it when freetether drops i just plug in usb and it will get a dhcp ip since usbnet is up? Nov 24 22:14:59 anybody know what happened to the flashlight app that used the camera flash? Nov 24 22:15:19 * Adora toasts infobot with her Mug of Perl Nov 24 22:15:27 (which I keep for the handy regex reference) Nov 24 22:15:43 boobs Nov 24 22:15:51 Marajin / acydlord_alt: OK, thanks, will try this. Offer this the feeling of a real palm pre, including opening the linux-conmsole etc.? Nov 24 22:15:52 d/boobs/ Nov 24 22:16:01 or not Nov 24 22:16:11 Thoddi: yeah you can install preware and any of the apps on it Nov 24 22:16:54 OK: I'll try it. I'm unsure in buying this peace of hardware :-) Nov 24 22:17:08 Thoddi: well, have fun :) Nov 24 22:17:33 It's an excelent phone Thoddi if you can get your hands on it in a physical store i'd greatly suggest it. Nov 24 22:18:42 yah, it's gone! Nov 24 22:18:48 how do things disappear from preware? Nov 24 22:18:59 Well, I don't want to have such a crippled thing like the IPhone. I want to habe an open phone, so the pre culd be perfect. But I'm unsure about the latest news that many apps are limited to US-marekt only now... Nov 24 22:19:38 This sounds not to be as open as I hoped. Nov 24 22:20:38 Thoddi: yeah they are kinda limited but the pre is pretty damn easy to get root linux access on :) Nov 24 22:20:43 THat should change soon Thoddi the US pre was running a newer version of webOS than the one's overseas were. that may have been part of why the apps werent available Nov 24 22:20:47 Thoddi: Palm don't seem to mind us hacking stuff Nov 24 22:21:06 acydlord_alt: yeah but now we're both on 1.3.1 and the appstore has no paid apps and probably half the free ones missing Nov 24 22:21:53 palm will have to change a lot of things to get paid apps working on the same system for overseas and the US, but they need to get it done Nov 24 22:22:01 isn't it something like 87 apps, mostly useless in the palm app catalogue for europe at the moment? :p Nov 24 22:22:03 they should have used paypal for the app store Nov 24 22:22:28 Marajin, sounds like the app catalogue was over here until recently Nov 24 22:22:31 acydlord_alt: Nah it'd cost them a fortune but the simple fact that they didn't set it up for international sales from square 1 was stupid. Nov 24 22:22:40 So the advantage of the palm is not to habe lots of apps, but to have a root-shell without installing a jailbreak? Nov 24 22:22:52 yay! Nov 24 22:23:36 Thoddi, the palm app catalogue isnt the only place to get apps, to be honest i only have one app from there. The majority of good/groundbreaking apps come from the homebrew community Nov 24 22:23:37 Thoddi: well you do have to do something but A) you're "allowed" to do it and B) you're not likely to break your phone irrepairably and C) Palm don't mind Nov 24 22:24:44 Thoddi: It's pretty much as easy as.. enable dev mode on the pre (open one app and hit a toggle switch), connect to USB, run the preware installer... bam homebrew installer package (kinda like cydia is on iphone but without customizing your firmware and messing around and needing special cracks for it) Nov 24 22:25:07 once you have the homebrew installer package you can just install the terminal app and bam, root access to the shell :) Nov 24 22:27:49 A2NY: so should I ask what you're yaying about? :P Nov 24 22:27:54 http://install.preware.org :-) Nov 24 22:28:18 rwhitby: Praise the laird, Brother! Nov 24 22:28:58 F- apps, I could care less for them Nov 24 22:29:16 freakout: I need more video blogs from you Nov 24 22:29:16 when an app can make me a sandwich is when I care Nov 24 22:29:41 * Marajin slaps A2NY with a footlong. Nov 24 22:30:30 zsoc_wirc: ping (pm) Nov 24 22:30:48 rwhitby: WHY ARE YOU AWAKE? :p Nov 24 22:31:42 zsoc_wirc: because he can be! Nov 24 22:32:02 zsoc_wirc: 9am here. Nov 24 22:32:49 rwhitby: oh. guess I have my time zones wrong. Nov 24 22:33:04 zsoc_wirc: are you pleased with the reaction to Precoder alpha? Nov 24 22:34:38 rwhitby: I suppose. as pleased as I can be. Nov 24 22:35:43 zsoc_wirc: sorry about not moving the stylesheet - I can update that now if you like Nov 24 22:36:11 k all ready for travel be sure to post the beta tonight PuffTheMagic ;) Nov 24 22:36:44 yeah, besides, PuffTheMagic 's freetether is going to make people forget about me :/ Nov 24 22:36:47 xD Nov 24 22:36:57 /sys/bus/pci/devices: No such file or directory at ./sensors-detect line 2388. Nov 24 22:37:47 zsoc_wirc: there's room for two awesome apps per week ;-) Nov 24 22:37:55 what's your app zsoc_wirc Nov 24 22:39:54 sampson: precorder Nov 24 22:40:06 ah that's pretty cool Nov 24 22:40:13 i just really need tethering tomorrow :P Nov 24 22:40:41 and i refuse to install mytether Nov 24 22:46:29 looks like lm-sensors doesn't support the TI Nov 24 22:46:59 =\ Nov 24 22:49:18 zsoc: no they wont Nov 24 22:49:28 PuffTheMagic, .. hm? Nov 24 22:49:32 zsoc: some one said precorder was the best pre advancement ever Nov 24 22:49:54 PuffTheMagic, lol, don't tell anyone, but it's a dirty, dirty hack D: Nov 24 22:49:55 JayCanuck, g'day Nov 24 22:50:08 hi Nov 24 22:50:22 chuq sent me an ominous email, lol Nov 24 22:51:00 "have something tochat with you about a bit" *cowers in corner* Nov 24 22:51:55 how is everyone here anyway? Nov 24 22:52:17 grand! i am officially on a week-long vacation Nov 24 22:52:23 hey JayCanuck Nov 24 22:52:33 JayCanuck, uh oh, does that mean palm now officially hates home brewers? :p Nov 24 22:52:56 lol, probably just me ;) Nov 24 22:53:08 oh yes, you've done so many vile things to them D: Nov 24 22:53:17 ohohhh ... i followed the instructions under http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Updating_webOS_Versions - and now i am left with an empty application screen ... *gulp* ... how do i regain access to my apps now? Nov 24 22:57:19 can someone alpha test Precorder 0.2.2 please? Nov 24 22:57:20 i tried the luna restart and i rebooted the pre - still an empty application screen ... Nov 24 22:58:35 zsoc: every time I speak to the folks at Palm, they always tell me they love webos-internals and homebrew :-) Nov 24 23:00:24 rwhitby, Hopefully that doesn't change any time soon Nov 24 23:00:27 ~seen ajames Nov 24 23:00:29 ajames was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 2d 5h 32m 17s ago, saying: 'the 6 month thing'. Nov 24 23:00:52 rwhitby, link? i dont have the feeds added on my pre Nov 24 23:01:56 acydlord_alt: use the bootstrap script on the wiki - it will update Nov 24 23:02:04 alrighty Nov 24 23:02:20 any idea why all my apps are gone on my app menu? Nov 24 23:03:05 i feel quite lost ... i hope there's an easy way to fix this as i don't want to run WebOSDoctor and redo all my settings ... Nov 24 23:04:18 what's the correct terminus technicus btw: start menu? app menu? Nov 24 23:04:26 launcher Nov 24 23:04:30 ahh Nov 24 23:04:34 thx Nov 24 23:04:37 quick launcher is on the bottom Nov 24 23:04:42 or quick launch, i guess Nov 24 23:04:47 goodie ... Nov 24 23:05:00 * Vince42 makes a note to himself to finally remember this ... Nov 24 23:05:19 anybody used both the smartreflex & cpu scaling patches?? Nov 24 23:05:42 seems like the smartreflex is the way to go, but cpu scaling might have its advantages, too... Nov 24 23:06:14 any idea why my launcher is completely empty after doing the emergency removal of patches? and is there any easy way to let luna rescan for apps? Nov 24 23:06:59 dunno... you've restarted? Nov 24 23:07:59 sounds like a patch might not have been removed cleanly Nov 24 23:08:50 grndslm: yes, luna restart and pre reboot - from what i read already it's a patch issue, yes Nov 24 23:09:05 is there any way to convince the launcher of rescanning? Nov 24 23:09:20 * grndslm dunnos Nov 24 23:10:51 rwhitby, it installed clean, when the flash is set to on in the options it only stays on for a very short time though Nov 24 23:13:05 i'm tempted to just take a risk and try the 600mhz smartflex Nov 24 23:15:17 grndslm: smart reflex is a shot in the dark Nov 24 23:15:36 no one knows what the voltage is Nov 24 23:15:47 it could be a placebo Nov 24 23:20:26 and even then with no frequency changes... Nov 24 23:20:49 your vcore is only fluctuating between 1.0-1.2v Nov 24 23:24:25 A2NY: so are we likely to be seeing a drain on battery trying the 600mhz version? Nov 24 23:25:25 can you ssh your pre ? Nov 24 23:26:16 sampson: ping Nov 24 23:26:32 me? I haven't done it before on my pre Nov 24 23:27:15 PuffTheMagic: nice work on wIRC :) Nov 24 23:27:48 yeah wirc is pretty nice Nov 24 23:27:53 evening all Nov 24 23:28:02 Wahots: thanks Nov 24 23:29:00 when iget time to get my dev env setup I'd like to help with it Nov 24 23:29:48 Wahots: well u dont need anything special to work on the gui Nov 24 23:30:06 PuffTheMagic: Wahots used to work with me on wrt router firmware stuff 10 years ago :-) Nov 24 23:30:23 Wahots: just clone the git repo and push your changes to any public repo and i can always pull them in Nov 24 23:30:40 Wahots: the service probably wont need many more changes Nov 24 23:30:48 just some cleanups from the last massive change i made Nov 24 23:30:56 cool Nov 24 23:31:28 never used git but I'd guess its similar to svn Nov 24 23:32:45 I updated Precorder by running the bootstrap script and it changed the icon and stylesheet, but the launcher still shows it as version 0.2.0. shouldn't it be 0.2.2? Nov 24 23:33:11 Wahots: similar but very different at the same time, lots of "similar" terms that are used completly different so sometimes svn users get suck in svn paradigms using git Nov 24 23:33:28 ah, more reading then Nov 24 23:33:51 i guess the WebOSDoctor 1.3.1 is the only remaining option to get my launcher back ... :( where can i download the version - btw: i am using a German phone / provider ... Nov 24 23:33:57 Wahots: best bet is to just "play" and if you have questions shoot them to me Nov 24 23:34:06 Wahots: #git is good too Nov 24 23:34:13 there are so many things I want to do on this thing I'm having a hard time choosing where to start Nov 24 23:34:17 they usually pretty helpful Nov 24 23:34:26 PuffTheMagic: cool thanks Nov 24 23:34:26 Wahots: that is the plague of the pre Nov 24 23:35:17 Wahots: i never did css or js before working on the pre Nov 24 23:35:24 * Wahots nods Nov 24 23:35:30 im too slow Nov 24 23:36:06 I've worked with css/js before so I'm all excited about this thing Nov 24 23:36:22 WillJitsu, being fixed now Nov 24 23:37:10 sampson: !!!!!!!!!!!! Nov 24 23:37:57 woman wont be home til later Nov 24 23:38:08 I think im gonna pull precorder down and down some tinkering Nov 24 23:38:42 AnOutsider, please do :) 0.2.3 should be available in a moment, with spicy icon and proper versioning Nov 24 23:38:56 * Wahots pulls down msysGit on the netbook Nov 24 23:39:26 oh, icon was what I was gonna do first haha. sinc eI had pshop open Nov 24 23:39:30 but I can still tinker with other stuff Nov 24 23:39:45 I guess I could install it to the ubuntu vm on here, but eh Nov 24 23:39:47 is the plan to eventually have the display actually show the camera's images as you record? Nov 24 23:40:31 anyone have a webos 1.2 dr. imageurl handy? Nov 24 23:40:50 nm Nov 24 23:40:51 i have it Nov 24 23:42:30 Is precorder not in Preware? Nov 24 23:42:37 Oh I guess not Nov 24 23:42:50 Abyssul, run the bootstrap script from the wiki Nov 24 23:42:59 QI ftw Nov 24 23:43:34 Abyssul: QI won't update you to the latest version of Precorder Nov 24 23:43:37 Abyssul, it's alpha, honestly i wasn't planning on it being for mass distribution, but the community has come far in the manner of just being able to install things packaged properly Nov 24 23:43:50 I understand completely Nov 24 23:44:06 Abyssul, the advantage of the bootstrap is it checks versioning for both service and app and asks interactively if you'd like to install/update. Nov 24 23:44:21 MMk Nov 24 23:44:35 yeah, think of the bootstrap as a mini-version of Preware ;-) Nov 24 23:48:55 does anyone else have any idea to check vcore on the pre, lm-sensors was a bust Nov 24 23:49:30 zsoc: what's the launch button going to be for eventually? Nov 24 23:50:05 Wow, I am impressed... Nov 24 23:50:17 AnOutsider, honestly i'm not sure what it was for to begin with lol Nov 24 23:50:28 AnOutsider, probably going to launch the Video Player so you don't have to manually Nov 24 23:50:40 Or maybe launch last video played? Nov 24 23:50:41 ;) Nov 24 23:50:53 well i was toying around with a UI here in photoshop Nov 24 23:50:59 Abyssul, i take it it works? Nov 24 23:51:04 so was jsut trying to get an idea of what you were thinking as far as what's going to be displayed Nov 24 23:51:09 Yep Nov 24 23:51:15 No audio I presume? Nov 24 23:51:17 AnOutsider, honestly many are working on it Nov 24 23:51:22 Abyssul, yes there's audio Nov 24 23:51:29 Weird... Nov 24 23:51:31 Abyssul, unplug your headphones / unpair your bluetooth :P Nov 24 23:52:10 It works Nov 24 23:52:22 I didnt have headphones or bluetooth. Nov 24 23:52:23 PuffTheMagic: hi Nov 24 23:52:41 sampson: there is a alpha version in the testing feed for ya Nov 24 23:52:58 yay do i have to do anything on preware to enable it Nov 24 23:53:29 I know that the quality is pretty nice atm, but is there possibility in the future for better quality? Jw Nov 24 23:53:40 I dont know what the Pre is capable of lol Nov 24 23:53:46 Abyssul, the answer is yes and no Nov 24 23:54:06 Abyssul, in theory the pre can take a few resolutions higher, but it can only playback at the resolution it's at now (that's max for the screen) Nov 24 23:54:48 I see Nov 24 23:55:12 Is there going ot be continued development? Like addition features? Nov 24 23:55:18 or is this the limit? Nov 24 23:55:43 Working on an api for adjusting the brightness of the light atm Nov 24 23:56:00 I also want to figure out a way to record audio-only and have it uh.. work. Nov 24 23:56:13 Oh, so it can't do audio-only yet? Nov 24 23:56:24 I was surprised that it could record audio Nov 24 23:56:27 Apparently not Nov 24 23:56:29 Why? Nov 24 23:56:55 Well other than the phone app, no other app has that capability Nov 24 23:57:06 and there isn't a api for it Nov 24 23:57:09 Just because there's no "Microphone API" from Palm, doesn't mean there aren't many ways to access the microphone Nov 24 23:57:18 Actually, can you test something for me Abyssul ? Nov 24 23:57:22 Sure Nov 24 23:57:41 Im sure one of the most asked for features is the ability to preview while recording Nov 24 23:57:43 preware let me add a feed >:[ Nov 24 23:57:53 Can you plug in a headset (to make sure it's not picking up the speaker). Start playing a song. Then start a video recording. Then remove the headset, then play back and see if the audio is in it Nov 24 23:58:02 sampson: u can add the testing feed via preware Nov 24 23:58:06 Give me a sec Nov 24 23:58:12 yeah it's grayed out for some reason Nov 24 23:58:18 on new feed Nov 24 23:58:46 Abyssul, preview has major issues, and would involve a whole additional level of service. It's something I've been brainstorming and it _might_ be feasable Nov 24 23:59:05 While the song is playing I presume? Nov 24 23:59:16 While I record the video Nov 24 23:59:39 Abyssul, yes Nov 24 23:59:53 I want to see if the source it's grabbing audio from is _only_ the microphone, or the audio pipeline in general Nov 24 23:59:54 has Palm given any sort of public timeline for when they are releasing their video app? Nov 25 00:00:17 I have a feeling that the microphone of the pre is 'always on', which seems like a huge privacy issue to me Nov 25 00:00:53 zsoc-have u seen any evidence of this? Nov 25 00:01:04 i know other phones do that Nov 25 00:01:31 droO, well the simple fact that audio works in my app :P all i'm doing is grabbing from alsa. Which technically is an audio pipeline, not directly linked to the microphone Nov 25 00:01:48 zsoc, the only sound I hear from my music is when I unplug Nov 25 00:01:50 unless there's a hidden api in the binary element to access the microphone (via some sort of low level assembly or machine code or however they do that) Nov 25 00:02:05 Abyssul, uh, so I mean after you unplug. Turn off the music. Play back the video. what do you hear? Nov 25 00:02:18 if that was the case, they could atleast give us a callrec app ;[ Nov 25 00:02:20 sampson: to add a testing feed to Preware, there is a qualification bar - you need to be able to work out how to do it by editing files. Nov 25 00:02:26 It turns off the music when you unplug Nov 25 00:02:49 sampson: http://webos.pastebin.com/d7159705a Nov 25 00:03:06 There is no sound from the music player into the video record though Nov 25 00:03:27 zsoc, is there a changelog anywhere for precorder? Nov 25 00:03:27 Abyssul, that's what i was curious about Nov 25 00:03:32 until I unplug the jack, and it gives quite a bit of static and like half a second of my song Nov 25 00:03:39 cryptk: yep, take a look in Preware Nov 25 00:03:45 cryptk, er, so far there's only 1 version jump, it's outlined in the first post on the official thread Nov 25 00:04:04 rwhitby, I thought precorder wasn't in preware? Nov 25 00:04:05 Anything else zsoc? Nov 25 00:04:11 It isn't cryptk Nov 25 00:04:12 zsoc: if people look in the Installed Packages in Preware, they should see the Changelog that I put in the package. Nov 25 00:04:13 Abyssul, no that'll be it for now Nov 25 00:04:18 rwhitby, oh, ok :) Nov 25 00:04:19 O YAAAA rwhitby Nov 25 00:04:26 cryptk: when you install it, it becomes an Installed Package in Preware Nov 25 00:04:33 ahh, gotcha Nov 25 00:05:58 so far this thing is awesome! the video is really really fluid. The audio is a little quiet, but not too bad... Nov 25 00:07:17 I do get some audio sync issues though... Nov 25 00:08:51 cryptk: changing cpufreq auto changes VDD1 voltage Nov 25 00:09:44 does it? I haven't read the papers on this particular chip Nov 25 00:09:44 regardless if sr_vdd1_autocomp Nov 25 00:10:32 so where are the feeds stored? in the cookies db? Nov 25 00:10:35 i don't see it in prewares source Nov 25 00:10:47 OPP changes based on freq, 600=5, 550=4, 500=3, 250=2, 125=1 Nov 25 00:11:30 and... what are you getting at? Nov 25 00:11:39 OPP5=1.35, 4=1.27, 3=1.20, 2=1.00, 1=0.90 Nov 25 00:12:07 ok.... and... Nov 25 00:12:22 there is nothing to prove smartreflex works Nov 25 00:12:56 if OPP didn't change when freq was changed, it could be a possibility SR worked, but that's not the case Nov 25 00:12:59 any time that you check the vcore, the processor will be being used... therefore it will be running at full voltage Nov 25 00:13:10 smartreflex comes into play when the phone go's into sleep mode Nov 25 00:13:13 at least in theory Nov 25 00:13:20 I haven't look into it too much Nov 25 00:14:09 http://yfrog.com/04precorderj <-- tad sexiarrr Nov 25 00:14:17 woops Nov 25 00:14:27 a2ny, I will do some testing though to see what gains if any the smart reflex give Nov 25 00:14:42 AnOutsider: what if I wanted to do a barrel roll Nov 25 00:14:45 the main reason I am using smart reflex is because my pre would not boot with the cpu scaling patches Nov 25 00:15:12 I'm also using smartreflex Nov 25 00:15:30 A2NY: you're assed out :) Nov 25 00:15:32 what was your threshold and lowest freq set at cryptk ? Nov 25 00:15:35 AnOutsider, I agree that does look better, but when they add in the live viewfinder, where will it fit if there is a big red button in the middle of the screen Nov 25 00:15:44 I have never had good luck with changing clock rates on embedded devices Nov 25 00:15:55 all of my settings are at whatever the patch sets them to Nov 25 00:16:02 I haven't customized it any yet Nov 25 00:16:11 I do plan to play with it soem though when I get some time Nov 25 00:17:18 ok Nov 25 00:17:44 TI shows over 100mW savings with SR enabled Nov 25 00:17:56 that's incredible Nov 25 00:18:02 hmm so Palm did "a lot more" than what people were alluding to to break wifi tethering Nov 25 00:18:13 TI? Nov 25 00:18:29 s/TI/Texas Instruments/ Nov 25 00:18:41 PuffTheMagic: ? Nov 25 00:19:07 cryptk, can you get a quick usage on your device for me Nov 25 00:19:07 really now Nov 25 00:19:11 sure Nov 25 00:19:16 PuffTheMagic, tell us more Nov 25 00:19:18 I have it right here, whatcha need? Nov 25 00:19:18 Wahots: they removed it from the driver Nov 25 00:19:27 cat /var/log/messages | grep BATTERY_IPC Nov 25 00:19:35 @cryptk: which is why I was asking what the later plans are. seems like it's up in the air so I just went with this for now Nov 25 00:19:38 wow really, that blows Nov 25 00:19:53 if you can paste in the webos.pastebin.com that would be great Nov 25 00:19:53 lemme SSh into it Nov 25 00:20:05 any chance of replacing the driver? Nov 25 00:20:22 it is quite long, lemme pastebin it Nov 25 00:20:32 bah how the hell do i add a feed i looked in the source and i'm not seeing it in the source Nov 25 00:22:22 webos.pastebin.com Nov 25 00:22:29 sampson: did you look at the pastebin URL I sent you Nov 25 00:23:07 PuffTheMagic, yes yes, we knew that. ad-hoc isn't in the new one. but the old one works :P Nov 25 00:23:31 oh thanks i was busy packing sorry Nov 25 00:23:45 a2ny, http://webos.pastebin.com/m1c2b085b Nov 25 00:24:33 i was using the wrong string in my grep :P Nov 25 00:25:27 PuffTheMagic: missing freetetherd from testing Nov 25 00:25:29 so it won't install Nov 25 00:25:58 oops nevermind Nov 25 00:26:44 forgot armv7 aaand go Nov 25 00:27:18 a2ny, I am charging the phone right now, once it is fully charged I am going to see the batter drop after letting it sit for 20 minutes and not using it... then I will uninstall smartreflex, recharge and retest Nov 25 00:27:20 rwhitby: what did @pre101 mean when you upgrade the system, which system? Nov 25 00:27:44 I have a good feeling that smartreflex won't make any change during phone usage, but that the standby/sleep is where the real savings are at Nov 25 00:27:58 from what I have read that should eb the case at least Nov 25 00:28:21 cryptk: look at the -xxxmA usage Nov 25 00:28:39 Robi_: don't get the context for your question ... Nov 25 00:28:43 what about it? Nov 25 00:28:59 you were around -500mA in some cases Nov 25 00:29:04 sampson: did the ipkgs in testing feed work for freetether? Nov 25 00:29:06 I have been using it alot Nov 25 00:29:15 I can tell :D Nov 25 00:29:16 sampson: you're probably the first to test them ;-) Nov 25 00:29:19 playing with precorder, installing stuff with preware Nov 25 00:29:32 that's kind of high, I wanted to see usage Nov 25 00:29:50 smartreflex, from what I have read, should not make any changes during usage Nov 25 00:30:01 with a fresh doctor, I was at -800mA using evdo (dvd download), camera, gps all open Nov 25 00:30:24 my phone was just doctored yesterday Nov 25 00:30:31 but I have already installed quite a bit Nov 25 00:30:38 yeah rwhitby works great Nov 25 00:30:55 doesn't turn off tethering after you close the app but hey i like that... i have a feeling it might break though when the screen goes to sleep Nov 25 00:31:04 SR has "best case" and "worst case" voltages high/low depending on that usage Nov 25 00:31:37 there are times that I was down to -3ma also... Nov 25 00:31:44 yeah, idle Nov 25 00:31:45 rwhitby: yeah i dont get the context of the twitter convo either ;] Nov 25 00:31:50 what have you seen to be a normal draw during standby Nov 25 00:32:09 -4mA back in july Nov 25 00:32:28 that's when I started testing with this stuff, and then I lost the pre until now pretty much xD Nov 25 00:32:32 how long does the phone need to be sitting to go completely idle? do you know? Nov 25 00:32:52 then i could check the logs after it go's completely idle, then remove patch, reboot and check again Nov 25 00:33:25 yep after it sleeps the forwarding breaks Nov 25 00:33:30 looks like it needs a complete reboot to fix it Nov 25 00:34:01 the device sleeps when you get the powerd messages in ssh Nov 25 00:34:03 was the -4mA on an untweaked pre or had you made changes? Nov 25 00:34:09 untweaked Nov 25 00:34:24 here is my data I have collected Nov 25 00:34:24 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Patch_webOS_Show_Actual_Battery_Percentage Nov 25 00:34:46 anyways thanks PuffTheMagic hopefully it will work ok in the airport tomorrow Nov 25 00:36:09 sampson, have you thought of using nodoze to prevent the phone from sleeping? Nov 25 00:37:08 a2ny, I am going to write something up to pull some data out of those messages... things like highest draw, lowest draw, average draw... that may help some Nov 25 00:38:49 that would be good Nov 25 00:39:01 I tired to get some data earlier, but like I said it flushed the logs =\ Nov 25 00:39:45 hey all Nov 25 00:40:29 does it erase the logs when it shits down, or is it on bootup? Nov 25 00:40:39 AHAHAS Nov 25 00:40:43 HAHAHA Nov 25 00:40:46 just saw that Nov 25 00:41:14 depending on what you are doing at the moment... shits down may be a better phrase... Nov 25 00:41:23 if you used flush it would have been funnier ;) Nov 25 00:41:33 would have... Nov 25 00:41:39 I will try to typo funnier in the future Nov 25 00:42:04 lol ok Nov 25 00:42:13 so I just recently got outta the military and so I decided to grow a goatee... not quite used to it yet... Nov 25 00:42:43 I have a question @ preware and trying to update some packages and can't Nov 25 00:42:47 you got sick of shaving 2x a day Nov 25 00:43:07 I did get sick of shaving... Nov 25 00:43:42 imn6zcx, what error is it giving? Nov 25 00:44:16 thanks.. what happend, a week or so ago i accidently erased it and had my tech at sprint reinstall it Nov 25 00:44:26 for example Nov 25 00:44:46 i want to update my hidden clock Nov 25 00:44:51 hehe nice Nov 25 00:45:03 tells me to removoe old verson and reinstall Nov 25 00:45:27 try to remove and get a IPKG error Nov 25 00:45:36 have you tried running EPR yet? Nov 25 00:46:04 user consent requested for pre-remov script execution Nov 25 00:46:04 seems like some patches may have been installed during an OTA update Nov 25 00:46:05 I have had it happen to me before Nov 25 00:46:17 does epr work? Nov 25 00:46:24 err, not OTA... meant a WebOS update Nov 25 00:46:28 yes Nov 25 00:46:35 why would it be in there if it didn't? Nov 25 00:46:35 where do i get it? Nov 25 00:46:56 go into the preware prefrences Nov 25 00:47:14 yes Nov 25 00:47:25 turn Show Other Types to Yes Nov 25 00:47:48 done Nov 25 00:48:05 and turn other types too? Nov 25 00:48:08 then go to Available Other > Linux Application > Utilities > Emergency patch recovery Nov 25 00:48:25 install it, after it is done, reboot your phone Nov 25 00:48:33 then try installing those patches again Nov 25 00:49:09 where is available other? Nov 25 00:49:21 back in the main preware menu Nov 25 00:50:46 do i keep it installed? Nov 25 00:51:38 thanks installing now and i'll reboot Nov 25 00:52:19 sweet gig man Nov 25 00:54:22 i gotta say the palm belt clip for the pre sucks balls Nov 25 00:55:20 sampson, try #webos-externals Nov 25 00:55:41 haha Nov 25 00:55:50 i don't think there are any hacks for that zsoc :P Nov 25 00:56:23 idk, puff made a battery thing Nov 25 00:56:35 so... when is the homebrew community gonna create a beltclip that is better than Palms? Nov 25 00:56:57 Wow, I submitted a thread in hte Palm Pre forum and now it has 4 pages of comments lol Nov 25 00:57:04 i just don't know why they thought the whole TUG THIS TIGHT STRING was a good idea Nov 25 00:57:26 sampson, i love the case, i use it every day Nov 25 00:57:28 sorry :> Nov 25 00:57:31 are you talking about the belt clip on the case? Nov 25 00:57:41 mine just ripped at the seam Nov 25 00:57:41 no the removal thing Nov 25 00:57:57 tugging a string was the best way i've ever accessed my phone :P Nov 25 00:58:00 i like just pulling it out with 1 hand whereas with this i gotta use both hands Nov 25 00:58:05 i use 1 hang Nov 25 00:58:08 s/hang/hand/ Nov 25 00:58:09 zsoc meant: i use 1 hand Nov 25 00:58:09 i like htcs elastic thing Nov 25 00:58:26 i'm a sysadmin i lack upper dexterity Nov 25 00:59:09 brb, I have been staring at vista for too long... my computer hates me... time to boot to linux.= Nov 25 00:59:29 " i'm a sysadmin i lack upper dexterity" <-- that needs to be in the topic Nov 25 00:59:40 haha Nov 25 00:59:54 ok, it did fix most of them. Nov 25 01:00:22 you can try the webos recovery tool also Nov 25 01:00:23 i still ahve the add date MM/DD/YY update that does the same thing Nov 25 01:01:01 okkkkkkkkk Nov 25 01:01:25 should i assume it is also within preware? Nov 25 01:02:10 sorry for sounding like a dumb s@#$ Nov 25 01:02:32 weird... my wirc is acting up... Nov 25 01:02:44 nevermind, there it go's Nov 25 01:03:40 no, that one is not Nov 25 01:03:54 it is on precentral Nov 25 01:04:01 ok Nov 25 01:04:22 it was written by the same people as quick install Nov 25 01:04:24 Im so glad to have video recording now Nov 25 01:04:35 Thanks for all your help! Nov 25 01:04:37 Even though it is basic Nov 25 01:04:42 s/people/person/ Nov 25 01:04:42 cryptk-pre meant: it was written by the same person as quick install Nov 25 01:04:52 k Nov 25 01:04:54 np man Nov 25 01:05:05 have a good one Nov 25 01:05:17 I appreciate all your help Nov 25 01:05:35 it is nice to be able to go outside and bring webos-internals with me Nov 25 01:08:18 * rwhitby listening to PalmCast, where Precorder should be the hot topic ... Nov 25 01:08:31 (it certainly is in the chatroll) Nov 25 01:10:15 oooh, I need to get in and listen to that Nov 25 01:10:21 alright time to actually relax Nov 25 01:10:31 zsoc: you need any more UI stuff, just lemme know Nov 25 01:18:13 ok im back Nov 25 01:19:40 Any ETA for Backup Utility to be submitted to Preware? Nov 25 01:20:12 * Mousey perks up Nov 25 01:20:16 backup utility? Nov 25 01:20:28 for backing things up locally (preferably w/ SyncML)? Nov 25 01:20:38 http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2056899#post2056899 Nov 25 01:20:43 * Mousey clicks excitedly Nov 25 01:22:13 ok back Nov 25 01:22:28 rwhitby: Any idea when it will be released? Nov 25 01:22:31 now my pre won't restart Nov 25 01:22:54 What did you do? Nov 25 01:22:54 Abyssul: it's in alpha test feed right now. Nov 25 01:23:07 Understood Nov 25 01:23:24 the more people that alpha test stuff, the quicker it gets to release. Nov 25 01:24:20 does it make a difference whether i install openssh & co via command line or via the preware app? Nov 25 01:24:39 in prewarei changed in pref'si changed show available types Nov 25 01:25:24 wonder if I was in this room having that gentleman help my Nov 25 01:25:45 damn Nov 25 01:26:14 his name started with a c Nov 25 01:28:47 i'm able to go to airplane mode but can't shut off or restart Nov 25 01:30:16 Vince42: the preware app is designed for those who don't need any other apps from optware. Nov 25 01:31:20 The Pre boots on 1:40 now Nov 25 01:31:39 so does it make a difference whether i installed this or that way? cuz i wasn't for example able to install the optware stuff via preware when i had my setup done via the shell ... that's why i wondered which way to take now: shell or preware Nov 25 01:32:16 Vince42: it would be good to test the interoperability. it's been designed to be interoperable, but I haven't had the time to test it well Nov 25 01:32:19 i want to install also other stuff like apache mysql and such like i used to have it b4 my "little crash" today :) Nov 25 01:32:47 so i will install first the things that are available via preware and then switch to shell, kk :) Nov 25 01:35:35 Vince42: do the optware bootstrap script first, then try installing via Preware after. Nov 25 01:36:32 k, will do - if anything odd should happen, i'll drop a msg here Nov 25 01:54:09 does webos-internals.org crash anyone else's pre? it's the only site that causes my phone to crash. Nov 25 01:56:12 prestonjames: that's the (if REMOTE_USER == prestonjames) code we put on there ;-) Nov 25 01:56:31 lol Nov 25 01:56:33 haha owned ;) Nov 25 01:56:35 thanks Nov 25 01:57:06 prestonjames: checking now Nov 25 01:57:42 prestonjames: works fine here Nov 25 01:58:49 hmm. it's strange because it doesn't happen on other sites and it happens even when it's the only card I have open. Nov 25 02:02:11 rwitby, any idea? Nov 25 02:13:26 can anyone recommend a tethering app for pre Nov 25 02:13:51 and do I have to install software on the computer Nov 25 02:16:21 howdy guys, had a quick question...i have submitted some patches to preware, but am interested in learning how to write simple apps...does anyone have a good reference for how to write apps for the pre? i found the tutorial that palm publishes with the sdk to be non-informative Nov 25 02:16:41 i wrote the Hello World tutorial back when I first took C++ in undergrad, and that seems to be all palm published as tutorials Nov 25 02:16:53 jmart: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1758 Nov 25 02:17:04 yea, hello world Nov 25 02:17:19 it's not bad as an example of how to package, use the emulator, etc. Nov 25 02:18:29 yeah, i am seriously a noob though, i'm confused by the entire architecture of the functions since my background is in c++ and html (and only that recently) Nov 25 02:18:46 i don't really understand how the this.functions work and what not Nov 25 02:19:23 ugh I hate when it says too many cards when only using the web browser Nov 25 02:20:02 think its the pages. too many widgets/images... Nov 25 02:20:11 grndslm: all i really want to do is create an app for people where they could input a text string to replace the carrier string...i just want to make some simple apps for fun just to submit to precentral Nov 25 02:20:31 sorry if i'm wasting ya'lls time Nov 25 02:20:41 i just didn't know where else to ask Nov 25 02:20:46 well, i'm not a programmer... i just thought i'd link you to the hello world app Nov 25 02:21:03 jmart: learning about javascript, html, css would probly be a good use of your time Nov 25 02:21:14 replace "sprint" in the top left? Nov 25 02:21:42 w3c Nov 25 02:21:49 sryan_wirc: you tried the less threshold patch? Nov 25 02:21:58 "lower swap threshold" i mean Nov 25 02:22:17 sryan_wirc: yeah, i have written a patch for it that also enables changing the colors of the carrier string and date/time, but that still requires people to install via quick install...i just wanted to learn some stuff and make an app Nov 25 02:22:39 grndslm: thanks for the idea Nov 25 02:23:08 yea, i need to get around to picking up a javascript book soon, but i haven't had the time yet Nov 25 02:24:44 any idea how to download a homebrew app that is open source to the computer so that i could look at the files? Nov 25 02:26:40 for instance, the devmode launcher i think would be a good app for me to study, but i just don't know where to download the whole package onto my computer Nov 25 02:26:47 prolly download the .ipk and then extract it Nov 25 02:28:17 jmart: look at the source code for Preware Nov 25 02:28:31 git.webos-internals.org Nov 25 02:28:42 All the *best* apps for webOS, and all open source. Nov 25 02:28:52 rwhitby, you're on a roll tonight Nov 25 02:29:40 haha, true true rwhitby...you guys are amazing, i must say...assuming most people here are guys, may be a mistake Nov 25 02:30:08 I was a mistake. Nov 25 02:30:45 i'm sorry to hear that...i'm sure your parents loved you still :D Nov 25 02:31:26 rwhitby: noob statement alert...not sure how to find the source code at the page you posted Nov 25 02:32:25 What are the limitations of sending video files via MMS? Nov 25 02:33:01 i found the appinfo.json file, not seeing anything else Nov 25 02:34:06 haha, zsoc Nov 25 02:34:18 we're all mistakes Nov 25 02:34:19 nevermind, i think i found it...i clicked on the tree and it seems like the files are there Nov 25 02:35:59 grndslm: when i downloaded the .ipk, i right clicked on it and it did not give me the option to extract anything.......am i misunderstanding what you said? Nov 25 02:36:25 jmart: you could try opening with an extraction utility anyway Nov 25 02:36:35 i use "unp" on linux and it seems to work for most anything Nov 25 02:37:22 does the precord alpha exhibit failed saving of recordings for you guys or does that have something to do with my setup. Nov 25 02:37:27 i quit using linux when i started med school...didn't have time to learn how to work it anymore... Nov 25 02:40:57 Wow, Verizon is getting cocky... Nov 25 02:41:29 hmagoo: first recording one ach launch usually doesnt save Nov 25 02:41:58 Abussyl: yes, yes they are. You'd think after winning against ATT they would take the stance that is more ad friendly Nov 25 02:42:11 though, I'm very happy teir handing Apple and ATT their arses Nov 25 02:42:18 You reading about how they are challenging Sprint now? Nov 25 02:43:02 hmagoo: did you read the wiki page? Nov 25 02:43:54 Hey my pre thinks it's charging. Nov 25 02:43:55 How cute. Nov 25 02:44:05 (it's not plugged in) Nov 25 02:44:12 zsoc: must think it's pregnant Nov 25 02:44:43 rwhitby: btw, the 0.9.12 version of Preware that had the fix for the recurring splash screen actually caused me to have a recurring splash screen...thought i would let you know Nov 25 02:44:59 jmart: yeah, there's another fix to come. Nov 25 02:45:17 it only happens to some people, and randomly as far as we can tell. Nov 25 02:45:30 yeah happened to me only once Nov 25 02:45:35 but used to ALWAYS happen with the previous version Nov 25 02:45:41 and yes Abyssul, that's what I was reading **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Nov 25 02:59:57 2009