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Nov 25 03:01:24 <grndslm> anybody running the scaling 600 MHz patch without troubles?
Nov 25 03:01:34 <grndslm> don't think it could get much better than the SR 600 MHz patch
Nov 25 03:01:59 <sryan> is there any tethering application that works with 1.3.1?
Nov 25 03:02:37 <grndslm> ionno... i'd like to know
Nov 25 03:03:37 <sryan> going to my mom's house with no internet :( for thanksgiving and I need to do work from my laptop
Nov 25 03:05:25 <oil_pre> I love people are always in a rush for tethering
Nov 25 03:08:03 <preston> speaking of tethering, what is this very vague page over at webos-internals.org all about?
Nov 25 03:08:44 <sryan> I guess I could download PDFs/Docs to my phone and then transfer them over to my laptop via usb
Nov 25 03:08:55 <en0x> there is alpha freetether
Nov 25 03:08:58 <Jack87> sampson, do you need help with usbnet on windows?
Nov 25 03:09:01 <en0x> usb tethering is working
Nov 25 03:09:01 <en0x> :D
Nov 25 03:09:53 <Jack87> PuffTheMagic, good luck working with that guy for testing lol.. if you can get him to tether then you can get anyone to tether
Nov 25 03:10:06 <en0x> me?
Nov 25 03:10:32 <Jack87> no
Nov 25 03:10:43 <Jack87> sorry en0x i was reffering to sampson reading some backlogs
Nov 25 03:10:55 <en0x> oh ok
Nov 25 03:11:13 <sryan> en0x, using My Tether?
Nov 25 03:11:21 <en0x> i deleted it
Nov 25 03:11:29 <en0x> even though i paid for it
Nov 25 03:12:04 <sryan> Usb tethering working with windows 7 x64 + webos 1.3.1?
Nov 25 03:12:18 <en0x> idk
Nov 25 03:12:56 <Jack87> usb tethering works like a charm on win7 and vista.. driver already on the computer
Nov 25 03:13:01 <Jack87> and yes on 1.3.1
Nov 25 03:13:09 <Jack87> this goes for bluetooth to
Nov 25 03:13:29 <sryan> I get recurring splash screen after the preware release that fixes* the recurring splash screen :)
Nov 25 03:13:31 <Jack87> and no you dont need an app to tether.. just makes it little quicker
Nov 25 03:13:46 <Jack87> sryan, me to
Nov 25 03:19:17 <Jack87> what the hell just happened
Nov 25 03:19:44 <Guinness`> we're takin' over ths town
Nov 25 03:20:01 <Jack87> huh
Nov 25 03:20:45 <zsoc> heh
Nov 25 03:20:48 <zsoc> netsplits ftw
Nov 25 03:22:37 <Jack87> when will everyone return
Nov 25 03:22:52 <Jack87> whats this talk about ipforwarding breaking when screen goes to sleep
Nov 25 03:23:10 <zsoc> Jack87, it's not them, it's us
Nov 25 03:23:17 <Jack87> oh
Nov 25 03:23:22 <zsoc> im going to reconnect
Nov 25 03:23:27 <Jack87> haha thans
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Nov 25 03:35:42 <sslow> zsoc i can if necessary do the same
Nov 25 03:35:57 <Jack87> zsoc, confirmed no video folder... going to install app now
Nov 25 03:36:05 <zsoc> k ty
Nov 25 03:36:50 * en0x-wIRC is in "god mode" = ircing from crapper :)
Nov 25 03:38:03 <sslow> dbsooner: ping
Nov 25 03:38:34 <en0x-wIRC> anyone else bought feeds?
Nov 25 03:38:48 <Jack87> zsoc, still no video folder
Nov 25 03:38:53 <Jack87> should i try to record something
Nov 25 03:38:59 <zsoc> Jack87, yes, that would be what triggers it
Nov 25 03:39:10 <en0x-wIRC> hmm
Nov 25 03:39:16 <Jack87> zsoc, copy that
Nov 25 03:39:17 <Abyssul> zsoc, what kind of problems did you run into trying to create a preview field in the precorder app?
Nov 25 03:39:35 <en0x-wIRC> something got memory leak... second time today I got too many cards
Nov 25 03:39:38 <zsoc> Abyssul, with what knowledge are you asking me that question? I'm just curious what answer you want.
Nov 25 03:40:22 <Abyssul> I just remember early that you were mentioning a problem with creating it
Nov 25 03:40:33 <Jack87> zsoc, precorder needs a light on options.. try using the info from pregames flashlight app to do it
Nov 25 03:40:48 <zsoc> Jack87, check preferences?
Nov 25 03:40:56 <Jack87> oh haha i havent
Nov 25 03:40:59 <zsoc> ...
Nov 25 03:41:01 <Jack87> :)
Nov 25 03:41:05 * zsoc facepalms
Nov 25 03:41:23 <rwhitby> zsoc: we need that main screen that AnOutsider created
Nov 25 03:41:23 <Jack87> i confirm the video folder now :)
Nov 25 03:42:14 <Jack87> zsoc, but video is not in it.. just sitting in media... is that the info you were looking for
Nov 25 03:42:27 <zsoc> Jack87, excellent :) this is good news
Nov 25 03:43:00 <zsoc> rwhitby, on it, i'm waiting for roy to push his update to the launch button and the implimentation of my new led control api and then i'll pull that and implement anoutsider's theme
Nov 25 03:43:04 <Jack87> hum.. my video wont play... no in smplayer either
Nov 25 03:43:13 <zsoc> Jack87, play it on your phone?
Nov 25 03:43:14 <zsoc> :P
Nov 25 03:43:28 <Jack87> oo phone eh
Nov 25 03:43:49 <Jack87> exciting stuff
Nov 25 03:44:01 <zsoc> ha, thanks :P
Nov 25 03:44:09 <rwhitby> zsoc: working with Roy on git access now
Nov 25 03:44:16 <zsoc> rwhitby, ok thanks
Nov 25 03:44:54 <Jack87> video library is empty
Nov 25 03:45:22 <zsoc> Jack87, then stop doing it wrong ;)
Nov 25 03:45:39 <Jack87> flash not working either
Nov 25 03:45:45 <zsoc> Jack87, there is a known issue (listed in the wiki) where the first recording sometimes doesn't work. you can try again (with the video light on)
Nov 25 03:45:56 <Jack87> lol maybe i am doing it wrong zsoc but i dont think i am
Nov 25 03:46:18 <Jack87> ther we go for flash
Nov 25 03:46:38 <sslow> zsoc: I concur with jack87. I did the same uninstall and delete video folder reinstall, shoot video, video folder appears
Nov 25 03:46:38 <Abyssul> AnOutsider's theme?
Nov 25 03:47:00 <Jack87> second video worked
Nov 25 03:47:03 <zsoc> like it said, give it a second. there's a lot going on in the background that isn't represented in the app (hence the alpha) and if you hit too many buttons you can foul up the pipeline
Nov 25 03:47:08 <zsoc> Jack87, good :)
Nov 25 03:47:29 <Jack87> hehe i am gentel with my buttons luckily
Nov 25 03:47:58 <Jack87> well zsoc  sorry i spoke too soon video shows in the list but will not play
Nov 25 03:48:18 <en0x> looks like luna has memory leak
Nov 25 03:48:19 <en0x>  1275 root      19  -1  281m 113m  15m S  5.6 47.3  23:49.80 LunaSysMgr
Nov 25 03:48:23 <en0x> hmm
Nov 25 03:48:29 <Jack87> sslow, any luck for you on play back
Nov 25 03:49:04 <en0x> http://wklej.org/id/215232/
Nov 25 03:49:05 <en0x> :(
Nov 25 03:49:41 <sslow> jack87:Plays fine for me
Nov 25 03:49:43 <Abyssul> zsoc, any ETA on a cam preview? JW Im a curious guy :)
Nov 25 03:50:22 <Jack87> zsoc, sslow,  i am going to do a reset incase my pre is acting funny.. being a bit laggy
Nov 25 03:51:01 <zsoc> Abyssul, lets pretend like it's impossible and will never happen until palm makes it happen
Nov 25 03:51:25 <sslow> seems to work great for me, audio is a little too low but otherwise its great.
Nov 25 03:51:43 <sslow> And my Pre is highly modified
Nov 25 03:52:13 <Jack87> my pre is pretty close to stock at the momment
Nov 25 03:52:22 <freakout-work> zsoc: Impossible is a word I never thought I'd hear you use
Nov 25 03:52:29 <freakout-work> zsoc: you're my hero
Nov 25 03:52:35 <Jack87> zsoc, how about a keyboard key for light?
Nov 25 03:52:38 <zsoc> freakout-work, then come here and show me big boy
Nov 25 03:53:01 <zsoc> freakout-work, seriously i've watched your video over again like 50 times. for some reason it's the single funniest thing i've ever seen
Nov 25 03:53:11 <freakout-work> zsoc: lol
Nov 25 03:53:12 <freakout-work> which one?
Nov 25 03:53:21 <freakout-work> I have two now :p
Nov 25 03:53:24 <zsoc> freakout-work, YOU HAVE A SECOND ONE?!?!?!
Nov 25 03:53:31 <freakout-work> http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/10002/precorder-brings-easy-video-recording-to-pre/
Nov 25 03:53:36 * zsoc drops his development work and rushes to youtube
Nov 25 03:53:45 <freakout-work> Features another female abusing me, albeit an older one this time
Nov 25 03:53:52 <freakout-work> First embed :p
Nov 25 03:53:56 <Jack87> we need to learn to keep phone horizontal while shooting
Nov 25 03:54:02 <freakout-work> And the audio is out of sync
Nov 25 03:54:40 <Jack87> my audio is in sync. to test it i counted to 10 in my video
Nov 25 03:54:45 <zsoc> freakout-work, your friends are odd
Nov 25 03:55:10 <zsoc> i posted about that, audio sync is directly related to what else the processor is doing
Nov 25 03:55:24 <zsoc> i have a trick up my sleeve to see if i can load balance buffered frames better
Nov 25 03:56:45 <Jack87> lol poor freakout trying to explain hack
Nov 25 03:57:05 <sslow> zsoc: you must have some looong sleeves
Nov 25 03:57:13 <Abyssul> Need a way to record for more than a minute
Nov 25 03:57:23 <zsoc> Abyssul, plug in your pre ;)
Nov 25 03:57:31 <Abyssul> So it has to do with the dimming?
Nov 25 03:57:43 <zsoc> Abyssul, no, it's sleep not screen status
Nov 25 03:57:48 <Jack87> zsoc, it doesnt record over one min?
Nov 25 03:57:51 <Abyssul> Will nodoze work?
Nov 25 03:57:55 <zsoc> Abyssul, it should
Nov 25 03:58:00 <rwhitby> freakout-work is so leet - "it's not even public yet" ;-)
Nov 25 03:58:00 <Abyssul> ill test it
Nov 25 03:58:02 <puffypre> sampson: you get it working?
Nov 25 03:58:06 <Jack87> zsoc, i would recomand talking to aonic about it
Nov 25 03:58:18 <zsoc> Abyssul, just try tapping the blank part of the screen every few seconds?
Nov 25 03:58:24 <Abyssul> I wanted to record myself playing drums
Nov 25 03:58:27 <zsoc> heh, if I can avoid it, I'd like to never talk to aonic
Nov 25 03:58:29 <Abyssul> I cant tap the screen...
Nov 25 03:58:38 <zsoc> Abyssul, plug it in, seriously, for now.
Nov 25 03:58:45 <Abyssul> Alright
Nov 25 03:58:50 <Eguy> freakout
Nov 25 03:58:57 <Jack87> zsoc, haha he is a nice guy i promise and i bet he would help disabling of sleep timer
Nov 25 03:58:58 <Abyssul> it's alpha and nice for it too :)
Nov 25 03:59:10 <Abyssul> There are other apps that disable the sleep timer I think?
Nov 25 03:59:13 <zsoc> Jack87, the problem is time, it's not a lack of ability to do it, i'm working on 3843 things
Nov 25 03:59:21 <zsoc> yeah, and nodoze should work for now
Nov 25 03:59:28 <rwhitby> Preware disables the sleep timer - just look in the source.
Nov 25 03:59:53 * zsoc thinks apps should just prod around /sys to keep the phone outta sleep mode ;)
Nov 25 03:59:59 <Jack87> rwhitby, is that to avoid wifi users from dropping in middle of update?
Nov 25 04:00:04 <Abyssul> Let the man code his app :p
Nov 25 04:00:21 <zsoc> rwhitby, thanks for helping roy git
Nov 25 04:00:34 <zsoc> git is a verb now btw, if it wasn't before
Nov 25 04:00:37 <rwhitby> zsoc: that's the job of a packaging monkey ;-)
Nov 25 04:00:51 <zsoc> i have a few service updates ready
Nov 25 04:01:01 <zsoc> just waiting for the gui to test it with...
Nov 25 04:01:05 * rwhitby enjoys not having any resposibility for the functionality of Precorder at all ;-)
Nov 25 04:01:08 <puffypre> rwhitby: I should add something ro disable sleep timer ti freeTether
Nov 25 04:01:20 <cryptk-pre> I need a nap...
Nov 25 04:01:47 <freakout-work> rwhitby: of course i'm l33t, i hang out here :p
Nov 25 04:01:51 <freakout-work> Eguy
Nov 25 04:01:52 <cryptk-pre> weird... my wirc is doing that weird thing again...
Nov 25 04:01:55 <Jack87> keeping finger on gesture area while recording also disables sleep timer
Nov 25 04:01:57 <Jack87> :)
Nov 25 04:01:58 <freakout-work> zsoc: yes they are weird
Nov 25 04:02:05 <freakout-work> zsoc: It's why we get on so well
Nov 25 04:02:11 <zsoc> freakout-work, i prefer your dogs
Nov 25 04:02:16 <zsoc> i mean that in the nicest way possible :>
Nov 25 04:02:16 <Jack87> or changing sleep timer to 3min gives you 3 min of recording haha
Nov 25 04:02:18 <Eguy> wassup buddy
Nov 25 04:02:27 <freakout-work> zsoc: I like the Jack Russell better than the fluffball
Nov 25 04:02:36 <rwhitby> I just like hearing a proper accent on youtube for once ...
Nov 25 04:02:42 <freakout-work> zsoc: the fluffball is a little shit. craps in the house and always bites
Nov 25 04:02:49 <zsoc> PROPER. AHAHAHAHA
Nov 25 04:02:59 <freakout-work> zsoc: yes, "proper". Real. Genuine.
Nov 25 04:03:06 <freakout-work> The way English should be spoken.
Nov 25 04:03:09 <rwhitby> true blue even
Nov 25 04:03:12 <zsoc> Yes, "stupid brother"
Nov 25 04:03:15 <freakout-work> lol
Nov 25 04:03:17 <Jack87> puffypre, for wifi tethering you want the timer to be disabled
Nov 25 04:03:19 <freakout-work> hahaah
Nov 25 04:03:35 <zsoc> it's like a bad japanese anime
Nov 25 04:03:47 <freakout-work> puffypre: Am i allowed to blog about pretether? :)
Nov 25 04:03:48 <puffypre> Jack87:
Nov 25 04:04:10 <puffypre> freakout-work: not yet please
Nov 25 04:04:26 <Jack87> puffypre, i got nothing
Nov 25 04:04:39 <Jack87> zsoc, second attempt for video was a no go
Nov 25 04:06:34 <Jack87> 3rd and 4th worked fine
Nov 25 04:06:46 <zsoc> Jack87, thank you, keep a log somewhere.
Nov 25 04:06:56 <Jack87> copy that
Nov 25 04:07:01 <zsoc> I'm sorry, that was actually a joke. Not trying to be mean. It's crazy alpha software, I'm aware of most of the limitations. I appreciate your feed back
Nov 25 04:07:11 <Jack87> ill make a memo sticky on my memo app hehe
Nov 25 04:07:34 <cryptk-pre> zsoc, has there been any work done with the audio/video sync issue?
Nov 25 04:07:34 <Jack87> haha
Nov 25 04:07:37 <zsoc> ha, nice
Nov 25 04:08:03 <zsoc> cryptk-pre, no. because no one is working on the gstreamer pipeline but me and right now i'm working on the service :P
Nov 25 04:08:41 <Jack87> freakout-work, sounds a bit british sometimes
Nov 25 04:08:45 <cryptk-pre> ahh, cool beans man
Nov 25 04:10:41 <rea> hmmm...precorder has been more reliable than my IRC connection today
Nov 25 04:11:39 <freakout-work> puffypre: When when when?
Nov 25 04:11:42 * freakout-work has tantrum
Nov 25 04:12:00 <freakout-work> puffypre: And when do I get my test copy?
Nov 25 04:12:04 * freakout-work has second tantrum
Nov 25 04:13:18 <Eguy> lol
Nov 25 04:13:22 <slowpoke> HEY GUISE. DID YOU KNOW 'MV OLDFILE NEWFOLDER/OLDFILE' IS NOT THE CORRECT SYNTAX TO MOVE A FILE?D?!
Nov 25 04:13:33 <TheMightyServer> ZSOC
Nov 25 04:13:51 <cryptk-pre> lol
Nov 25 04:13:51 <zsoc> TheMightyServer, yes?
Nov 25 04:13:57 <Eguy> not TheMightyServer
Nov 25 04:13:58 <Eguy> again
Nov 25 04:14:08 <TheMightyServer> ONLY THEMIGHTYSERVER MAY BROADCAST IN CAPS
Nov 25 04:14:16 <Eguy> NO
Nov 25 04:14:18 <TheMightyServer> YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED, ZSOC
Nov 25 04:14:26 <TheMightyServer> EGUY, YOUR IMPUDENCE WILL NOT BE TOLERATED
Nov 25 04:14:37 <cryptk-pre> Rofl
Nov 25 04:14:39 <zsoc> Yeah I'm tired of this guy already.
Nov 25 04:14:43 <zsoc> Eguy, troll him please.
Nov 25 04:14:45 <THE> BOO
Nov 25 04:14:51 <freakout-work> geez
Nov 25 04:14:55 <zsoc> hehe
Nov 25 04:15:12 <Eguy> someone registered The almighty god
Nov 25 04:15:13 <Eguy> lol
Nov 25 04:15:23 <zsoc> i bet i can guess the password
Nov 25 04:15:36 <Eguy> jesus?
Nov 25 04:15:56 <Jack87> its hesus
Nov 25 04:15:56 <cryptk-pre> jack daniels
Nov 25 04:16:23 <TheMightyServer> freakout-work, you disappoint me
Nov 25 04:16:38 <cryptk-pre> not again...
Nov 25 04:16:41 <cryptk-pre> lol
Nov 25 04:16:43 <sryan> wow tethering was riduclously easy :)
Nov 25 04:16:45 <freakout-work> TheMightyServer: I know you are an impostor
Nov 25 04:16:52 <freakout-work> you are not speaking in caps!
Nov 25 04:17:03 <TheMightyServer> my caps button is broken
Nov 25 04:17:19 <TheMightyServer> ergo, i can't type in caps
Nov 25 04:17:32 <TheMightyServer> you on the other hand, are a fool
Nov 25 04:17:49 <cryptk-pre> who needs cap lock when you have regex
Nov 25 04:17:56 <zsoc> What the hell is going on in here.
Nov 25 04:18:23 <TheMightyServer> freakout-work thinks he can be me
Nov 25 04:18:45 <rwhitby> sryan: worth $14.93 ?
Nov 25 04:19:10 <sryan> Well no, I just used the My tether version that you root
Nov 25 04:19:40 <TheMightyServer> I belive it is $174.34
Nov 25 04:19:50 <Jack87> i do not understand why derek leaves his gmail website open on the browser
Nov 25 04:20:05 <sryan> my tether 1.5.1
Nov 25 04:20:29 <freakout-work> the REAL TheMightyServer is an incredibly advanced AI
Nov 25 04:20:32 <freakout-work> Some call it God
Nov 25 04:20:37 <freakout-work> it has no CAPS key
Nov 25 04:20:41 <Jack87> sryan, its way easy
Nov 25 04:20:43 <Eguy> right
Nov 25 04:20:50 <zsoc> Roy-Pre101, yo
Nov 25 04:20:53 <Eguy> some say he has no face
Nov 25 04:21:32 <Roy-Pre101> yo, just stopped in a sec, popping out.
Nov 25 04:21:40 <sryan> apparently windows vista/7 already have the driver, like you said
Nov 25 04:22:22 <Jack87> sryan, yup they do... and it is a nice driver to. works like a charm.. and the free version of mytether works great.
Nov 25 04:22:56 <Jack87> sryan, wifi tethering is over rated its just a simple thank you to donors considering the time and effort put into getting it going
Nov 25 04:23:07 <Eguy> I can't install any app updates anymore :(
Nov 25 04:23:11 <Eguy> for the second time
Nov 25 04:25:28 <Abyssul> nodoze is a no go
Nov 25 04:25:43 <Jack87> Abyssul, about video recording?
Nov 25 04:25:47 <Abyssul> ye[
Nov 25 04:25:49 <Abyssul> Yep
Nov 25 04:25:58 <Abyssul> and for the first time, I crashed my Pre
Nov 25 04:26:04 <Eguy> fun
Nov 25 04:26:05 <Jack87> Abyssul, why not just install the screenlock patch... to never turn of screen
Nov 25 04:26:10 <Abyssul> Was playing a video file and it froze and went to the palm boot screen
Nov 25 04:26:12 <sryan> Luna restart crash?
Nov 25 04:26:17 <Abyssul> Yep^
Nov 25 04:26:38 <Jack87> Abyssul, screen lock patch is actually set to like and hour or something i cant remember but virtually never :)
Nov 25 04:26:41 <sryan> I've had a few of those :)
Nov 25 04:27:10 <Jack87> palm screen of death
Nov 25 04:27:41 <rea> been getting that from the youtube app a lot recently
Nov 25 04:28:06 <sryan> is luna the window manager kind of like explorer.exe on Windows?
Nov 25 04:28:33 <cryptk-pre> kind of...
Nov 25 04:28:38 <Jack87> sryan, something like that... i think it runs the UI
Nov 25 04:30:47 <rea> I'm sure you've all discussed it already, but what was everyone's take on the alleged NFS game leak that supposed includes GPU support?
Nov 25 04:31:15 <Abyssul> I wrote an article about it being a hoax
Nov 25 04:31:57 <rea> if it is, it is pretty elaborate, with the accompanying screenshots and all
Nov 25 04:32:02 * Eguy is kind of ignoring webos atm
Nov 25 04:32:11 <Abyssul> Why Eguy?
Nov 25 04:32:12 <Eguy> needs time
Nov 25 04:32:23 <Abyssul> Why are you here then?
Nov 25 04:32:25 <rea> needs OpenGL
Nov 25 04:32:33 <Eguy> I still use it
Nov 25 04:32:40 <sryan> WebGL!@
Nov 25 04:32:40 <Abyssul> Hehe
Nov 25 04:32:45 <Eguy> just very disappointed with it
Nov 25 04:33:13 <a2ny> hi all
Nov 25 04:33:16 <zsoc> bbiab
Nov 25 04:33:19 <rea> but there is so much potential, it just needs to be nurtured
Nov 25 04:33:20 <sryan> if palm released a NDK do you think more developers will flock to webos?
Nov 25 04:33:49 <rea> that plus more sales sryan
Nov 25 04:33:49 <Eguy> the platform needs to be fixed before developers flock IMO
Nov 25 04:34:00 <Eguy> the lag
Nov 25 04:34:01 <Abyssul> The screen lock patch isn't in preware
Nov 25 04:34:03 <rea> but better apps = more sales, so it is a catch 22
Nov 25 04:34:05 <Eguy> makes me angry
Nov 25 04:34:36 <Eguy> If webOS had no lag I would be a very happy man, even without apps
Nov 25 04:34:37 <rea> wouldnt an NDK take care of the lag?
Nov 25 04:35:14 <Abyssul> Note to self: dont get a txt message and video record at the same time...
Nov 25 04:35:21 <Eguy> full gpu acceleration would take care of the lag
Nov 25 04:35:29 <Eguy> have the gpu do all the drawing
Nov 25 04:35:44 <sryan> and also all the windows transformations
Nov 25 04:35:49 <Eguy> the cpu is getting KILLED right now doing the tasks
Nov 25 04:35:58 <Eguy> A2DP streaming kills the cpu
Nov 25 04:36:02 <Abyssul> We will probably get GPU support by the end of the year
Nov 25 04:36:10 <a2ny> Eguy: over EVDO
Nov 25 04:36:24 <Eguy> bluetooth
Nov 25 04:36:39 <Eguy> plus the a2dp bitrate is SO low it sounds horrible
Nov 25 04:36:43 <rea> Abyssul: you say that, yet you wrote an article to disprove the leaked info>
Nov 25 04:37:00 <Abyssul> I said the video was fake
Nov 25 04:37:02 <hckyplayer_pre> I noticed that freetether is in preware but I get an error because the service isn't installed
Nov 25 04:37:10 <Abyssul> Not the fact that GPU can come out soon
Nov 25 04:37:19 <hckyplayer_pre> Any way to get the service?
Nov 25 04:37:24 <sryan> is there a big difference between WiFi and EVDO (power consumption)
Nov 25 04:37:26 <Eguy> I think it will come with 2.0
Nov 25 04:37:35 <Abyssul> sryan, not a big difference, but noticeable
Nov 25 04:37:40 <rea> if it is going to come soon, I'd think they'd at least have to be at the stage in development where they could do a game like NFS
Nov 25 04:37:45 <Eguy> wifi saves more power than evdo
Nov 25 04:37:52 <Eguy> and heat
Nov 25 04:37:58 <sryan> like streaming internet radio
Nov 25 04:38:06 <LoneStar34> anyone want to test an IPK?
Nov 25 04:38:11 <sryan> I would get the same battery life using either
Nov 25 04:38:25 <Eguy> my battery drains no matter which radio I use
Nov 25 04:38:38 <Jack87> http://themxweb.com/2009/11/22/evidence-need-foor-speed-video-was-a-hoax/   haha about NFS screen shots
Nov 25 04:38:54 <rea> I've noticed better battery life since I started working from home and being on wifi instead of EVDO
Nov 25 04:39:24 <Abyssul> My aritcle isn't the best :p I made it in like 10 minutes and it was like a hour after the video was posted
Nov 25 04:39:37 <Eguy> It's pretty obvious without the article
Nov 25 04:39:45 <Eguy> I called BS when I saw the headline
Nov 25 04:39:50 <Abyssul> Not everyone is as smart at you Eguy :p
Nov 25 04:39:58 <Eguy> :D
Nov 25 04:40:06 <hckyplayer_pre> Is puffthemagic here?
Nov 25 04:40:19 <rea> have to admit it was well played tho
Nov 25 04:40:24 <Eguy> Is my superiority showing?
Nov 25 04:40:25 <Abyssul> Na
Nov 25 04:40:37 <rea> make a general claim, then get ppl to call you out for no proof, then post the bogus video
Nov 25 04:40:51 <Eguy> what a loser though
Nov 25 04:41:00 <Eguy> so much effort to get pwned by Abyssul
Nov 25 04:41:14 <LoneStar34> what is the difference between this channel and regular "webos"
Nov 25 04:41:22 <Abyssul> Usually Im the one getting pwned :)
Nov 25 04:41:30 <Abyssul> Feels good for a change of pace
Nov 25 04:41:33 <cryptk-pre> webos is about the operating system
Nov 25 04:41:40 <Eguy> LoneStar34: this is the development channel
Nov 25 04:41:52 <Eguy> modifications
Nov 25 04:42:30 <Eguy> someone got mad Abyssul: "The video may (or may not be) be fake, but this “proof” is garbage."
Nov 25 04:42:37 <Abyssul> Did you guys read about Verizon challenging Sprints' ads?
Nov 25 04:42:50 <Abyssul> Yea, there are always differential opinions
Nov 25 04:42:51 <Eguy> I think you need to call him and apologize
Nov 25 04:43:04 <Eguy> for obviously offending him
Nov 25 04:43:05 <Abyssul> I send a virus his way. *wink*
Nov 25 04:43:24 <LoneStar34> Eguy:  what about testing of IPKs?
Nov 25 04:43:34 <Eguy> I think T-Mobile needs to sue them all and the circle will be complete
Nov 25 04:44:00 <a2ny> Eguy: Want to test my malicious code ?
Nov 25 04:44:03 <Eguy> LoneStar34: If someone wants to test an IPK for you that is fine in here
Nov 25 04:44:04 <sryan> has anyone tried out the droid?
Nov 25 04:44:11 <Eguy> sryan: yes
Nov 25 04:44:19 <Abyssul> More apps in Catalog
Nov 25 04:44:19 <Eguy> a2ny: sure!
Nov 25 04:44:25 <a2ny> It is in a IPKG
Nov 25 04:44:32 <LoneStar34> Eguy: i have an IPK for testing
Nov 25 04:44:34 <Eguy> I have malicious code
Nov 25 04:44:49 <Eguy> it types rm -rf /
Nov 25 04:44:50 <sryan> how is it? more responsive than the pre?
Nov 25 04:44:53 <a2ny> Can our malicious code make more malicious codes
Nov 25 04:45:12 <Eguy> sryan: a hell of a lot better than the Pre right now IMO
Nov 25 04:45:18 <sryan> IMO android UI looks like crap :)
Nov 25 04:45:20 <Eguy> WAY less laggier
Nov 25 04:45:29 <Eguy> responsive
Nov 25 04:45:31 <sryan> compared to webos
Nov 25 04:45:37 <Eguy> yes
Nov 25 04:45:57 <Eguy> Pre's UI looks the best but it is so friggin slow
Nov 25 04:46:07 <Eguy> unusable for my job
Nov 25 04:46:12 <Abyssul> Ok, Precorder can official not record more than like a minute
Nov 25 04:46:51 <sryan> I think Pre's UI looks even better than iPhone's
Nov 25 04:47:06 <Eguy> I agree
Nov 25 04:47:07 <thebitguru> All right, the Wake-on-LAN app is almost ready :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ha5ItERgZnE  Soon I will have to figure out where to upload this to.
Nov 25 04:47:15 <Eguy> If only it was as smooth
Nov 25 04:47:30 <Eguy> thebitguru: precentral.net's homebrew gallery ;)
Nov 25 04:47:33 <Jack87> Abyssul, did you change screenlock timer then
Nov 25 04:47:41 <Abyssul> no bueno
Nov 25 04:47:46 <sryan> Just the applications aren't as feature-rich
Nov 25 04:47:51 <Abyssul> Yes
Nov 25 04:47:56 <thebitguru> Eguy: Rod was suggesting that I should probably upload this to webos-internals
Nov 25 04:48:03 <Abyssul> I used nodoze, set the screen timer to never
Nov 25 04:48:13 <Abyssul> and after 2 minutes of recording it doesnt appear in the list
Nov 25 04:48:13 <Eguy> that is fine then
Nov 25 04:48:19 <Eguy> as long as he will do it for you
Nov 25 04:48:35 <thebitguru> Eguy: I am also looking for a place to share the code in case if anyone is interested
Nov 25 04:48:44 <thebitguru> I was thinking of google code
Nov 25 04:48:55 <sslow> I just did a 1:59 and all well I ll try longer now
Nov 25 04:48:57 <Eguy> Good man, you can put it on git
Nov 25 04:50:00 <LoneStar34> thebitguru: you app is pretty cool
Nov 25 04:50:10 <Abyssul> what app is it?
Nov 25 04:50:12 <Eguy> I'll download it when you put it up
Nov 25 04:50:19 <Eguy> WOL
Nov 25 04:50:29 <Abyssul> whats that?
Nov 25 04:50:39 <thebitguru> LoneStar34: thanks :)  Not sure if many people will have a use for it given it's specialized use
Nov 25 04:50:52 <thebitguru> Abyssul: check it out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ha5ItERgZnE
Nov 25 04:51:04 <Eguy> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wake-on-LAN
Nov 25 04:51:40 <zsoc> WOOO IT WORKS
Nov 25 04:51:43 <zsoc> and at the same time i broke it
Nov 25 04:51:45 <zsoc> amazing
Nov 25 04:52:26 <Abyssul> Still not recording past 2 minutes...
Nov 25 04:53:22 <Eguy> I still need to check if WOL works when my computer is off
Nov 25 04:53:41 <sryan> thebitguru: that is pretty awesome. people can integrate that into applications like ampache
Nov 25 04:53:52 <rwhitby> Great screencast for using Git on Windows: http://www.gitcasts.com/posts/git-on-windows
Nov 25 04:53:52 <LoneStar34> thebitguru: what about - waking up computer wirelessly?
Nov 25 04:54:04 <zsoc> Abyssul, did you try plugging it in?
Nov 25 04:54:05 <DrFunk> sup cryptk-pre
Nov 25 04:54:17 <rwhitby> thebitguru: you need a custom service, right?
Nov 25 04:54:20 <cryptk-pre> sup DrFunk
Nov 25 04:54:32 <Eguy> thebitguru: not a good idea to show the world your mac addresses though....
Nov 25 04:54:43 <DrFunk> nada tired and I missed the cast tonight
Nov 25 04:55:07 <thebitguru> LoneStar34: my laptop's wireless card didn't support that so I had use the wired interface :)
Nov 25 04:55:11 <cryptk-pre> I missed it too, a buddy of mine came over
Nov 25 04:55:11 <Abyssul> What usefulness is waking up your computer?
Nov 25 04:55:19 <sryan> Does my phone have to be on the same network as the device I'm trying to wake up?
Nov 25 04:55:28 <Eguy> No
Nov 25 04:55:29 <Abyssul> Yes sryan
Nov 25 04:55:32 <Abyssul> hmmm
Nov 25 04:55:41 <Abyssul> Figured LAN meant local
Nov 25 04:55:46 <thebitguru> rwhitby: yup, this required a custom service
Nov 25 04:55:53 <Eguy> LAN as in cable
Nov 25 04:56:01 <rwhitby> thebitguru: what's the package ids for the service and app?
Nov 25 04:56:05 <DrFunk> cryptk-pre: now I have to wait for the upload to drpodder
Nov 25 04:56:18 <thebitguru> rwhitby: com.thebitguru.wol{service,ui}
Nov 25 04:56:30 <cryptk-pre> yeah, I need to reinstall drpodder
Nov 25 04:56:31 <rwhitby> thebitguru: shall I set up some repos for you?
Nov 25 04:56:42 <LoneStar34> Abyssul: if you have a computer "mac" laptop on sleep mode and you want to wake it up remotely - so you can access it, it is a useful app
Nov 25 04:57:26 <sryan> yep, for accessing a media server or remote desktop
Nov 25 04:57:35 <DrFunk> well I'm off for now all a little TV time now its 12:00 am
Nov 25 04:57:58 <LoneStar34> laters DrFunk
Nov 25 04:58:03 <DrFunk> cryptk-pre: talk.to you later and cya rwhitby
Nov 25 04:58:14 <DrFunk> later LoneStar34
Nov 25 04:58:38 <rwhitby> ciao DrFunk
Nov 25 04:58:42 <cryptk-pre> later DrFunk
Nov 25 05:03:53 <Abyssul> Meh, I still can't get it to record more than 2 minutes
Nov 25 05:06:47 <zsoc> Abyssul, it may not be possible unless i can get a variable bitrate set up
Nov 25 05:06:57 <sslow> abyssul: same here
Nov 25 05:07:01 <Abyssul> alright
Nov 25 05:07:09 <Abyssul> At least you are aware :)
Nov 25 05:07:12 <zsoc> it's probably possible to debug right now with no stderr/out being fed back to the app
Nov 25 05:07:24 <zsoc> er _not possible_ i meant
Nov 25 05:07:24 <sslow> it show up in media/internal though
Nov 25 05:07:41 <zsoc> once the pipeline falls apart, it never gets to mux, so it's not watchable
Nov 25 05:07:45 <sslow> not playable
Nov 25 05:08:08 <sslow> sorry im slow tonight
Nov 25 05:09:01 <sslow> 1:59 thats it
Nov 25 05:09:24 <Abyssul> hmph
Nov 25 05:09:44 <Abyssul> I was eager to record myself playing drums too...
Nov 25 05:10:16 <sslow> abyssul: how long is your solo? lol
Nov 25 05:10:20 <a2ny> LOL
Nov 25 05:11:17 <a2ny> my first drum set :D
Nov 25 05:11:42 <warren> sigh, I installed the 600Mhz cpu scaling patch and my phone no longer boots.  I'm trying to figure out a way to boot and manipulate the filesystem over USB to disable the broken patch.
Nov 25 05:11:57 <Abyssul> WebOS doctor
Nov 25 05:11:58 <warren> I am in the volume up button "bootie" boot loader menu via novacom
Nov 25 05:12:06 <warren> Abyssul: does that wipe everything?
Nov 25 05:12:09 <warren> doesn't
Nov 25 05:12:18 <Abyssul> USB partition
Nov 25 05:12:30 <Abyssul> which is videos, music, photos
Nov 25 05:12:44 <Abyssul> oh and you lose your text message histoy
Nov 25 05:12:52 <sslow> warren:yep
Nov 25 05:12:58 <warren> darn
Nov 25 05:13:08 <warren> no alternative method of getting at the OS is known?
Nov 25 05:13:15 <warren> I mean the filesystem
Nov 25 05:13:32 <a2ny> lol
Nov 25 05:13:43 <zsoc> you could try doing a google search for webos repair utility, not sure if it works with bootie
Nov 25 05:13:56 <sslow> warren: not that I know of if it wont boot
Nov 25 05:14:24 <warren> It gets stuck during bootup when it runs the thing that triggers the cpu scaling patch.
Nov 25 05:14:32 <sslow> warren: did you try pulling the battery then reinstall and power it back on
Nov 25 05:14:45 <warren> yes
Nov 25 05:14:54 <warren> it gets stuck at the Palm logo without glowing animation
Nov 25 05:15:03 <sslow> warren: Im lost
Nov 25 05:15:10 <Abyssul> Do you have root access?
Nov 25 05:15:17 <warren> http://www.precentral.net/patches-enable-palm-pre-cpu-scaling-power-savings  somebody here mentions they managed to get in via novacom at this point and delete the file in the startup scripts
Nov 25 05:15:38 <warren> but it isn't showing up on novacomd except in bootie mode, which is prior to the linux kernel
Nov 25 05:16:06 <sslow> DR time
Nov 25 05:16:08 <a2ny> regardless, I think the patches should be pulled
Nov 25 05:16:33 <warren> I think so too
Nov 25 05:16:36 <warren> seems real hit and miss
Nov 25 05:16:44 <a2ny> its been this way forever
Nov 25 05:16:47 <a2ny> since july
Nov 25 05:16:56 <sslow> a2ny: im running one and its really glitchy
Nov 25 05:16:57 <warren> no wonder they downclocked it
Nov 25 05:17:17 <a2ny> sslow: maybe you missed our previous discussion earlier
Nov 25 05:17:46 <sslow> I did.. had to earn a living
Nov 25 05:18:09 <sslow> a2ny: im removing it now
Nov 25 05:18:47 <a2ny> I am going to take a guess on why the device locks, when the pre first starts up it enters 550mhz, this changes the voltage for the core
Nov 25 05:19:27 <Abyssul> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-Wd-Q3F8KM
Nov 25 05:19:29 <Abyssul> Ownage^
Nov 25 05:19:54 <a2ny> 600mhz uses a different voltage, but it may only boot with the voltage for the 550, thus causing a lock
Nov 25 05:20:03 <warren> yeah
Nov 25 05:20:25 <warren> Trying to figure out a way to get into the linux shell via novacom with that filesystem mounted to delete it
Nov 25 05:20:32 <zsoc> Abyssul, that's my favorite video on youtube, btw
Nov 25 05:20:38 <warren> hmm, anyone know the direct URL to the webos-internals ipkg's?
Nov 25 05:20:53 <warren> i want to unpack that patch I installed and look at what it installed
Nov 25 05:21:03 <sslow> wow removed powerflex and its like a fresh drd pre...much smoother
Nov 25 05:21:58 <a2ny> good
Nov 25 05:22:18 <a2ny> most of what people think they see is just a placebo IMO
Nov 25 05:23:17 <a2ny> the only thing I would run is OC to 550
Nov 25 05:23:29 <tmzt> do we have source for pixi yet?
Nov 25 05:23:31 <sslow> im sure but its definitely not stumbling like it was.. the Precorder seemed to be locking up quite a bit and now its not
Nov 25 05:24:44 <zsoc> i think i got file movage to /media/internal/video working, as well as file naming
Nov 25 05:24:48 <warren> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/How_To_Recover  interesting
Nov 25 05:25:10 <warren> It seems I might be able to mount my filesystem in the brief window of time between 12% and 54%
Nov 25 05:25:23 <warren> while it is running off the ramdisk
Nov 25 05:25:42 <warren> could someone let me know exactly which device is the root filesystem?
Nov 25 05:25:56 <a2ny> huh ?
Nov 25 05:26:40 <warren> /dev/something1 ext3 mounted as /
Nov 25 05:26:41 <zsoc> I don't think people realize how long it takes to actually restart java services
Nov 25 05:28:08 <sslow> zsoc: you are a machine
Nov 25 05:28:57 <warren> It seems that I can boot the recovery image in RAM, get into it via novacom at 12%, mount my root filesystem and delete the patch manually, unmount and reboot before it reaches 52%.
Nov 25 05:29:05 <warren> theoretically if I'm understanding this page right
Nov 25 05:29:22 <zsoc> warren, that sounds reasonable
Nov 25 05:29:36 <zsoc> sslow, nah, the real heros of webos-internals are here, they are the machines
Nov 25 05:29:42 <warren> but I need to know exactly which device to mount and which file to delete
Nov 25 05:30:07 <JayCanuck> sslow = 2sslow?
Nov 25 05:30:20 <sslow> yes
Nov 25 05:30:28 <warren> Thus I'm hoping somebody with a working Pre can figure out what device I need to mount.
Nov 25 05:30:45 <warren> and I am asking for help to find the raw ipkg feed so I can look at the patch manually
Nov 25 05:30:51 <JayCanuck> sweet, just want to thank ya again for the Pre, hasn't arrived yet, but it's still very much appreciated :)
Nov 25 05:31:12 <a2ny> http://webos.pastebin.com/f799d1a87
Nov 25 05:31:33 <sslow> no problem... cant wait to see what you can do with an actual device
Nov 25 05:31:56 <sslow> to test on
Nov 25 05:32:00 <warren> a2ny: thanks... darn, it uses lvm
Nov 25 05:32:00 <zsoc> JayCanuck, you might be interested to know, for future reference, renameTo() is not supported in linux it seems
Nov 25 05:32:04 <JayCanuck> heh, I have a few things I'm lookin forward to tryin
Nov 25 05:32:13 <JayCanuck> interest
Nov 25 05:32:18 <sslow> cant wait
Nov 25 05:32:27 <JayCanuck> zsoc it works fine with FileMgr Service
Nov 25 05:32:35 <warren> zsoc: a2ny: do you know of a way to STOP the recovery process between 12% and 52% so I have more time to do this?
Nov 25 05:32:58 <zsoc> JayCanuck, OH, ha, that's funny, then the issue _was_ the variable output. I think the 'dest' variable ended up being the directory without the trailing "/"
Nov 25 05:33:25 <zsoc> JayCanuck, i had already converted the 'moveto' proccess to another shell script, and i didn't realize it till after that (once i could see the shell script getting created and the variable in there)
Nov 25 05:33:35 <zsoc> JayCanuck, if nothing else, the script creater is a great debugging too ;)
Nov 25 05:33:46 <JayCanuck> ;)
Nov 25 05:33:54 <zsoc> s/too/tool
Nov 25 05:34:33 <zsoc> JayCanuck, Derek is obsessed with you, btw, he can't say your name without putting crazy adjectives in front of it ;)
Nov 25 05:34:39 <zsoc> "the great an powerful oz..."
Nov 25 05:34:49 <sslow> JayCanuck: any plans to implement renaming in internalz?
Nov 25 05:35:08 <JayCanuck> yep
Nov 25 05:35:24 <JayCanuck> it's ready in my private builds
Nov 25 05:35:39 <JayCanuck> along with lots of other neat new features
Nov 25 05:35:47 <sslow> if derek thinks hes great now ...wait till he gets his pre, This week hopefully.  I sent it over a week ago
Nov 25 05:35:50 <JayCanuck> including text editing :D
Nov 25 05:36:05 <JayCanuck> derek?
Nov 25 05:36:35 <sslow> i use internalz almost as much as WOSQI and PreWare
Nov 25 05:36:48 <JayCanuck> I assume ya don't mean Derek the PreCentral writer, eh
Nov 25 05:37:07 <sslow> Ask zsoc
Nov 25 05:37:08 <zsoc> JayCanuck, yes i do mean him
Nov 25 05:37:10 <zsoc> :)
Nov 25 05:37:37 <a2ny> yeah
Nov 25 05:37:40 <a2ny> use novaterm
Nov 25 05:37:56 <sslow> JayCanuck: not rushing but ...ETA?
Nov 25 05:38:13 <JayCanuck> haven't talked to him in a while, though I've very glad he got only early to post the precorder story before all the other blogs caught on
Nov 25 05:38:16 <a2ny> I've halted it before, what are you trying to do
Nov 25 05:38:22 <JayCanuck> eta for updated Internalz?
Nov 25 05:38:29 <sslow> yep
Nov 25 05:38:31 <zsoc> Videos now successfully move into /media/internal/video
Nov 25 05:38:43 <sslow> zsoc: awesome
Nov 25 05:39:11 <JayCanuck> should be like a week or so, workin through a few kinks and need to add a few more updated features
Nov 25 05:39:44 <sslow> JayCanuck: cant wait.. keep up the good work
Nov 25 05:39:52 <Jack87> zsoc, so it takes video on media drive then moves it to the folder?
Nov 25 05:40:08 <zsoc> Jack87, it would seem yes
Nov 25 05:40:22 <rwhitby> so, which patches need to be pulled?
Nov 25 05:40:26 <Eguy> Abyssul: thanks for the count video. Always fun to watch
Nov 25 05:40:28 <Jack87> zsoc, very nice
Nov 25 05:40:32 <zsoc> I'm off to bed, hopefully the next version will allow implementation for your own file name as well as nifty new graphics
Nov 25 05:40:50 <zsoc> When I'm alone, I count myself
Nov 25 05:40:55 <Jack87> zsoc, goodnight
Nov 25 05:41:01 <warren> is webos doctor updated to 1.3.1 yet?
Nov 25 05:41:02 <sslow> night
Nov 25 05:41:09 <sslow> yes
Nov 25 05:41:32 <warren> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/How_To_Recover  I'm hoping there is a way to halt the flashing process after 12% here
Nov 25 05:41:37 <warren> so I have time to figure out how to mount the filesystem
Nov 25 05:41:55 <clee> warren: so, I have to ask... what made you think this was a good idea?
Nov 25 05:42:19 <warren> clee: I was bored during a movie
Nov 25 05:42:29 <sslow> warren:http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/215661-webosdoctor-1-3-1-available.html
Nov 25 05:43:08 <warren> hmm, can I run webos doctor on linux?
Nov 25 05:43:20 <Jack87> warren, yes make sure you have java runtime installed
Nov 25 05:43:36 <warren> java -jar thatfile.jar ?
Nov 25 05:43:41 <Jack87> warren, and you run it through java not archivor
Nov 25 05:44:17 <a2ny> warren, if you are going to webdoc, I suggest you meta-doc
Nov 25 05:44:26 <a2ny> give var 2gb :D
Nov 25 05:44:55 <a2ny> can someone df -h and pastebin that has a stock doctor
Nov 25 05:45:12 <warren> a2ny: oh, that thing to make it possible to install more apps?
Nov 25 05:45:15 <warren> clee: chris lee?
Nov 25 05:45:32 <clee> the one and only :)
Nov 25 05:45:44 <warren> long time no see
Nov 25 05:45:49 <warren> clee: so i guess you have this phone?
Nov 25 05:45:54 <warren> i both love and hate it
Nov 25 05:46:56 <rwhitby> warren: what happened to your phone?  you can novaterm into the phone while the doctor is running.
Nov 25 05:47:03 <Jack87> chris and warren... you guys arent from utah are you
Nov 25 05:47:31 <warren> rwhitby: 600mhz cpu scaling patch rendered my phone stuck during bootup
Nov 25 05:47:43 <warren> rwhitby: I'm only able to get anything on novaterm in bootie mode
Nov 25 05:48:07 <warren> rwhitby: i'm trying to boot the recovery image from ram, which apparently gives me a tiny amount of time to shell in
Nov 25 05:48:13 <rwhitby> warren: how much linux experience do you have?
Nov 25 05:48:17 <warren> rwhitby: considerable
Nov 25 05:48:18 <clee> Jack87: no, I used to work with warren at Red Hat.
Nov 25 05:48:55 <rwhitby> warren: are you familiar with how the doctor boots the phone with a ram image and then runs trenchcoat?
Nov 25 05:48:57 <Jack87> thanks clee... i know a chris lee here in utah who is friends with a warren haha
Nov 25 05:49:39 <warren> rwhitby: I'm only vaguely familiar based upon reading http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/How_To_Recover
Nov 25 05:49:52 <sslow> bed time! i'm out
Nov 25 05:49:55 <warren> rwhitby: I'm trying to mount my root filesystem and delete the patch manually so I can recover without losing my data
Nov 25 05:50:45 <Jack87> warren, rumor has it webos dr 1.3.1 doesnt touch mdeia drive.. but ask rwhitby to confirm
Nov 25 05:51:00 <Abyssul> i doubt it
Nov 25 05:51:07 <rwhitby> warren: the doctor contains a uImage with kernel and initramfs.  There is a bootie command to load and run such an image
Nov 25 05:51:16 <warren> ooh
Nov 25 05:51:37 <rwhitby> warren: do you have the meta-doctor git cloned?
Nov 25 05:51:43 <warren> finding it
Nov 25 05:51:54 <rwhitby> git.webos-internals.org tools
Nov 25 05:52:11 <warren> got it
Nov 25 05:52:28 <rwhitby> put a correctly renamed doctor image in a downloads subdir - running make will tell where and what
Nov 25 05:52:30 <warren> what is the standard size of /var?  why do i want 2GB as suggested by a2ny?
Nov 25 05:52:49 <rwhitby> it's 256MB at the moment, too small for significant apps (webos or linux)
Nov 25 05:53:04 <Jack87> warren, you are best off with 2gig
Nov 25 05:53:15 <warren> that means less space for media huh?
Nov 25 05:53:27 <rwhitby> warren: yep
Nov 25 05:53:30 <Jack87> warren, yes.. maybe 1gig is good to :)
Nov 25 05:53:44 <Jack87> rwhitby, is it only 2gig meta doctor allows?
Nov 25 05:53:45 <rwhitby> you can vary the actual number in the meta-doctor Makefile
Nov 25 05:53:48 <warren> is this known safe with future webos updatess?
Nov 25 05:54:17 <rwhitby> warren: as safe as it can be.  it can only be broken if Palm does an lvm resize as part of an update
Nov 25 05:54:34 <Jack87> warren, so far so good.. worst case this will allow you to recover your files then you can do an official doctor if you feel better with that
Nov 25 05:55:18 <rwhitby> warren: the 'unpack' target in the meta-doctor will get you access to castle.xml to see the partitions
Nov 25 05:56:00 <warren> well, meta-doc isn't my goal
Nov 25 05:56:15 <warren> my goal is just to boot recovery image, mount rootfilesystem and unfuck the 600mhz patch
Nov 25 05:56:15 <rwhitby> warren: right, but you'll also have the uImage then too
Nov 25 05:56:51 <rwhitby> warren: using the meta-doctor to unpack is the easiest way to get you set up with a directory structure that we can communicate about
Nov 25 05:57:11 <warren> <rwhitby> put a correctly renamed doctor image in a downloads subdir - running make will tell where and what
Nov 25 05:57:14 <warren> i'm trying to figure htis out now
Nov 25 05:57:40 <rwhitby> if you run the makefile, it should error out not being able to find the doctor image, and should tell you where to put it with what name
Nov 25 05:58:00 <warren> ah
Nov 25 05:58:33 <warren> make[1]: *** [downloads/webosdoctorp100ewwbellmo-1.2.1.jar] Error 1
Nov 25 05:58:37 <warren> well, I have Sprint, not Bell
Nov 25 05:59:17 <rwhitby> warren: make CARRIER=sprint
Nov 25 05:59:49 <rwhitby> warren: names are as per http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions
Nov 25 06:00:33 <warren> http://webos.pastebin.com/mdf58e84
Nov 25 06:00:37 <warren> 1.2.1?  and it still says bellmo
Nov 25 06:01:16 <rwhitby> one sec
Nov 25 06:01:50 <rwhitby> warren: git pull please
Nov 25 06:02:16 <SirWill_> rwhitby: what do I have to do to get putty to work over usb... I have the IP, but it won't connect.  Novaterm works.
Nov 25 06:02:40 <rwhitby> SirWill_: upstart control file iptables lines?
Nov 25 06:02:56 <warren> rwhitby: make[1]: *** [downloads/webosdoctorp100ewwbellmo-1.3.1.jar] Error 1
Nov 25 06:03:04 <rwhitby> warren: make CARRIER=sprint unpack
Nov 25 06:03:07 <warren> rwhitby: meta-doc looks pretty cool
Nov 25 06:03:36 <rwhitby> warren: it's the only way I could think of to create custom doctor images without redistributing palm files
Nov 25 06:03:47 <warren> yeah, I appreciate the effort
Nov 25 06:04:20 <warren> http://webos.pastebin.com/m5c2a3f05
Nov 25 06:05:13 <rwhitby> warren: ok, grab the appropriate doctor from the wiki page link and put it where it says
Nov 25 06:05:56 <warren> I thought I did grab the right version
Nov 25 06:05:58 <warren> downloading again
Nov 25 06:06:03 <warren> 4 minute ETA
Nov 25 06:06:09 <rwhitby> oh, you need to rename it with the version appended
Nov 25 06:06:35 <warren> oops
Nov 25 06:06:38 <rwhitby> they don't version the filename you download
Nov 25 06:06:39 <warren> wrong dir
Nov 25 06:07:44 <warren> ok, unpacked
Nov 25 06:09:29 <warren> rwhitby: where is the direct URL to the webos-internals ipkg feed?  I want to manually inspect that patch that screwed me so I know exactly what to to delete.
Nov 25 06:09:47 <Jack87> SirWill_, try turning on usbnet and assighning an ip
Nov 25 06:10:13 <rwhitby> warren: ipkg.preware.org/feeds
Nov 25 06:11:56 <Jack87-wIRC> SirWill_: I always do it using usbnet as a usbnetwork controler works like a charm.
Nov 25 06:12:16 <Robi_> rwhitby: Palm Treo Pro Smart Phone (Unlocked, Quad-Band GSM) $299.99 Free Shipping
Nov 25 06:12:29 <warren> hm, what tools to unpack a ipkg...
Nov 25 06:13:19 <rwhitby> warren: preware/build.git in toolchain/ipkg-utils/ipkg-unbuild - python scripts
Nov 25 06:13:31 <JayCanuck> 7zip works too
Nov 25 06:13:43 <JayCanuck> so does "ar" commandline tool
Nov 25 06:14:04 <warren> ok, /etc/event.d/powersave-cpu-scaling is the file I need to delete
Nov 25 06:14:14 <warren> now to figure out how to boot a kernel and initramfs...
Nov 25 06:14:24 <SirWill_> I'm thinking I haven't set something up right since I doctored my phone.   Back in June I did everything manual.  This time I just went the preware route.   Thinking I didn't install SSH yet.  I want to go back to the old manual method LOL
Nov 25 06:14:26 <rwhitby> warren: do you have any tools to unpack a uImage ?
Nov 25 06:14:29 <LoneStar34> does the palm treo run webos?
Nov 25 06:15:10 <warren> rwhitby: is it a standard compressed cpio image like initramfs?
Nov 25 06:15:55 <rwhitby> warren: uImage u-boot image, containing separate kernel and initramfs files.  I dunno what format the initramfs is, cause I haven't gone to the trouble of unpacking the uImage yet
Nov 25 06:16:09 <warren> oh
Nov 25 06:16:21 <warren> one of those combined kernel + initramfs images
Nov 25 06:16:32 <rwhitby> yep
Nov 25 06:17:02 <warren> rwhitby: what is my goal to unpack it?
Nov 25 06:17:16 <rwhitby> the format is documented pretty well in u-boot source, but I haven't found an unpack tool and have been too lazy to write one
Nov 25 06:17:34 <rwhitby> warren: I guess so you can stop it from running trenchcoat and just run novacomd instead
Nov 25 06:17:35 <Jack87-wIRC> SirWill_: old method requires pyton explain at webosinternals.org
Nov 25 06:18:04 <warren> oh, novacomd is both the phone and host daemon?  neat
Nov 25 06:18:17 <rwhitby> warren: alternatively, if you're handy with Java you could cause the webOS Doctor java files to not send the trenchcoat data, and novaterm in while it's waiting
Nov 25 06:18:48 <warren> rwhitby: alternatively just kill webos doctor?
Nov 25 06:18:58 <Jack87-wIRC> SirWill_: Python and telnet connection. you are probably better off using terminal app from preware to install ssh
Nov 25 06:19:07 <rwhitby> warren: another alternative is to gut the castle.xml file to remove all the lvm stuff, and hope that the connection stays
Nov 25 06:19:20 <rwhitby> warren: that's a dangerous one, cause trenchcoat wipes the partitions first thing
Nov 25 06:19:32 <warren> what point does it run trenchcoat?
Nov 25 06:20:56 <rwhitby> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/How_To_Recover
Nov 25 06:21:07 <rwhitby> somewhere shortly after 12%
Nov 25 06:21:16 <warren> darn
Nov 25 06:21:32 <rwhitby> hmm - or maybe between 10 and 12 - don't remember
Nov 25 06:22:05 <rwhitby> warren: do you do Java?
Nov 25 06:22:13 <warren> not really
Nov 25 06:22:21 <rwhitby> me neither :-(
Nov 25 06:22:47 <rwhitby> JayCanuck does - maybe he could help you make the doctor stop before sending the trenchcoat data.
Nov 25 06:23:07 <rwhitby> warren: so it hangs on every boot?
Nov 25 06:23:10 <JayCanuck> I'm not at home at the moment, sry
Nov 25 06:23:11 <warren> rwhitby: yes
Nov 25 06:23:24 <warren> rwhitby: what did you mean by gutting castle.xml?
Nov 25 06:23:42 <rwhitby> warren: you looking at castle.xml in unpacked webOS dir?
Nov 25 06:23:46 <warren> yes
Nov 25 06:25:14 <rwhitby> I can't guarantee this (and if I'm wrong you'll wipe the phone), but when I was working out how to change the NVRAM token for the qwertz keyboard fix I noticed that removing the lvm entries from that file caused trenchcoat to not do the partitioning and formatting.  but I only tested that on a stand-alone file, not on the Pre.
Nov 25 06:25:16 <warren> rwhitby: it is not TOO bad if I lose all the data, more curiosity to see if it is possible, then document it afterward
Nov 25 06:27:11 <rwhitby> warren: in that case, remove the VolumeGroups and Filesystem sections from castle.xml and watch the java log as you doctor.
Nov 25 06:27:27 <warren> rwhitby: how do I repack it after modifying castle.xml?
Nov 25 06:27:40 <rwhitby> probably remove Images and PostInstall too
Nov 25 06:27:50 <rwhitby> warren: do make CARRIER=sprint patch
Nov 25 06:27:52 <warren> rwhitby: that actually causes trenchcoat to abort?
Nov 25 06:27:55 <rwhitby> then edit castle.xml
Nov 25 06:28:00 <rwhitby> then make CARRIER=sprint pack
Nov 25 06:28:42 <rwhitby> warren: when I tested a minimal castle.xml on a stand-alone file (you can run trenchcoat against a file to test it) it didn't do the partitioning and formatting
Nov 25 06:28:51 <rwhitby> warren: but I don't know what will happen on a real device
Nov 25 06:28:59 <rwhitby> so you're risking data here
Nov 25 06:29:07 <warren> not too worried about the data
Nov 25 06:29:44 <rwhitby> warren: as long as you don't touch the Flash section, it should be recoverable with the normal doctor if anything goes wrong
Nov 25 06:29:53 <rwhitby> but again, no guarantees.
Nov 25 06:30:07 <warren> trenchcoat itself is what makes novaterm work at 12%?
Nov 25 06:30:22 <warren> I wonder if replacing trenchcoat in castle.xml lets you run something else
Nov 25 06:31:53 <SirWill_> Feel at home again.  Got my putty back. :)   Ran the good ole optware-bootstrap.sh        Missed that step after my last doctor apparently  happy now.
Nov 25 06:32:36 <warren> oh nevermimd, I see that castle.xml itself controls trenchcoat
Nov 25 06:33:17 <SirWill_> that accomplished now time for bed.
Nov 25 06:35:36 <Jack87-wIRC> SirWill_: there you go! that's what I was talking about. night
Nov 25 06:35:50 <warren> on the phone filesystem what is the path to novacomd?
Nov 25 06:36:23 <rwhitby> warren: look in the unpacked rootfs dir
Nov 25 06:36:32 <SirWill_> Yeah, I thought I had done that for some reason. But apparently that was after I doctored last week. lol    Hopefully I'm done doctoring for a while.  Unless I bail on 1.3.1 and go back to 1.2.1
Nov 25 06:36:32 <warren> ooh, in novacomd.list
Nov 25 06:37:00 <warren> rwhitby: i'm seein if PostInstall set to /sbin/novacomd leaves it running
Nov 25 06:38:02 <warren> rwhitby: I really don't want to remove the Flash section?
Nov 25 06:38:09 <rwhitby> warren: oh, if you want it to stay running, just put an .orig file somewhere in the rootfs before packing again to make the verification fail
Nov 25 06:38:43 <warren> rwhitby: verification happens when
Nov 25 06:38:43 <warren> ?
Nov 25 06:39:29 <rwhitby> warren: right at the end, after paritioning, formatting, unpacking rootfs and postinstall
Nov 25 06:39:40 <warren> rwhitby: it seems that I want to remove the Flash section as well?
Nov 25 06:39:53 <rwhitby> if the verification fails, the doctor fails, but the phone does not reboot and you're still in novaterm
Nov 25 06:40:03 <warren> cool, thanks for that tip
Nov 25 06:41:49 <rwhitby> I get that when the firstuse patch is not clean and leaves .orig files around
Nov 25 06:42:11 <warren> packing, leaving Flash section in
Nov 25 06:42:17 <warren> if I lose my data no biggie
Nov 25 06:42:35 <warren> PostInstall runs /sbin/novacomd and I added an .orig file
Nov 25 06:42:42 <rwhitby> warren: where does the java log come out on your host OS?
Nov 25 06:42:47 <warren> umm
Nov 25 06:42:51 <tmzt> what downloads the uImage?
Nov 25 06:42:59 <rwhitby> cause you'll want to be watching that
Nov 25 06:43:06 <rwhitby> on MacOSX it's in /var/log/system.log
Nov 25 06:43:10 <warren> looks like /tmp/PalmWebOsRecoveryToolLog0.log.0
Nov 25 06:43:13 <rwhitby> I'm assuming you're on Fedora?
Nov 25 06:43:15 <warren> yes
Nov 25 06:43:34 <tmzt> doctor/trenchcoat does?
Nov 25 06:43:52 <rwhitby> tmzt: doctor tells bootie to load that in ram and run
Nov 25 06:43:59 <warren> rwhitby: does pack replace the original file I put in downloads/ ?
Nov 25 06:45:15 <rwhitby> warren: it's copied into build dir first
Nov 25 06:45:32 <rwhitby> downloads files are not touched (I actually symlink mine to my doctor storage area)
Nov 25 06:45:39 <warren> oh I see
Nov 25 06:45:48 <warren> java -jar webosdoctorp100ewwsprint-1.3.1.jar
Nov 25 06:45:50 <warren> I'm guessing?
Nov 25 06:45:53 <rwhitby> yep
Nov 25 06:45:57 <warren> here goes nothing
Nov 25 06:46:08 <rwhitby> we need a pastebin -f :-)
Nov 25 06:47:48 <warren> got in via novaterm
Nov 25 06:48:16 <warren> sweet, it SEEMS to have worked as expected
Nov 25 06:48:23 <warren> i'll upload logs soon
Nov 25 06:48:32 <tmzt> rwhitby: ok
Nov 25 06:48:44 <rwhitby> warren: thanks - I'm interested in those logs
Nov 25 06:48:53 <warren> ok, how to start lvm manually....
Nov 25 06:50:04 <tmzt> is Pixi out?
Nov 25 06:50:10 <tmzt> it should be
Nov 25 06:50:29 <tmzt> but I can't find source for it
Nov 25 06:50:52 <sryan_wirc> anyone had a situation where a contact would load and then immediately close out
Nov 25 06:51:14 <warren> lvm.static  vgchange -a y --ignorelockingfailure
Nov 25 06:53:00 <warren> hmm, there's no reboot, halt or poweroff command
Nov 25 06:54:19 <rwhitby> tellbootie
Nov 25 06:55:14 <warren> rwhitby: heh
Nov 25 06:55:23 <warren> rwhitby: I managed to mount the rootfs
Nov 25 06:55:26 <warren> rwhitby: deleted the file
Nov 25 06:55:27 <warren> rebooted
Nov 25 06:55:35 <warren> and now I have a triangle with !
Nov 25 06:55:39 <warren> www.palm.com/ROM
Nov 25 06:56:09 <grndslm> get the doctor, then reboot the pre while holding the volume up until you see a usb icon
Nov 25 06:56:55 <warren> so it seems trenchcoat did blow something away
Nov 25 06:57:32 <rwhitby> can you give me logs anyway?
Nov 25 06:57:58 <warren> oh I see what happened
Nov 25 06:58:04 <warren> it redid the /boot partition only
Nov 25 06:58:08 <warren> my /boot is empty now
Nov 25 06:58:58 <warren> perhaps removing the Flash section was a good idea after all
Nov 25 06:59:12 <warren> rwhitby: http://togami.com/~warren/metadoc.txt
Nov 25 06:59:16 <warren> my data isn't gone
Nov 25 06:59:19 <warren> only my /boot is empty
Nov 25 06:59:36 <rwhitby> warren: ah, the /boot Entry in Flash probably erased it
Nov 25 06:59:46 <warren> so...
Nov 25 06:59:48 <warren> hm
Nov 25 06:59:52 <warren> redo only /boot
Nov 25 07:00:03 <rwhitby> there's a no-format option I think
Nov 25 07:00:09 <hmagoo> hmm. smartreflex at 600mhz seems to be working rather well.  under 1% battery drain per hour when idle.
Nov 25 07:00:29 <rwhitby> where did I see that.
Nov 25 07:00:39 <warren> hmagoo: really?
Nov 25 07:00:43 <grndslm> hmagoo:  yup, smartreflex is the way to go
Nov 25 07:00:48 <rwhitby> warren: I think there is a castle.xml in the rootfs somewhere, and I think it had a no-format option tag for Flash
Nov 25 07:00:52 <warren> rwhitby: well, now I need to restore stuff into /boot
Nov 25 07:01:07 <hmagoo> well, I turned data off. haven't measured with evdo
Nov 25 07:01:09 <warren> not exactly clear what to put into /boot
Nov 25 07:01:17 <rwhitby> warren: use webos quick install to send stuff over.
Nov 25 07:01:22 <rwhitby> or novacom put
Nov 25 07:01:29 <warren> rwhitby: but what do I put there? =)
Nov 25 07:01:39 <rwhitby> hmm. no /boot in rootfs
Nov 25 07:02:28 * warren trying a theory
Nov 25 07:02:30 <hmagoo> precorder works fine with smartreflex too.  usually apps like that are the ones that might have a problem.
Nov 25 07:03:13 <warren> rwhitby: well, I guess folks know what to do now
Nov 25 07:03:19 <warren> rwhitby: minus my Flash section
Nov 25 07:03:22 <warren> this would have worked
Nov 25 07:04:03 <rwhitby> warren: I can try that later to verify.
Nov 25 07:04:14 <rwhitby> it will be a good recovery technique if it does work.
Nov 25 07:04:18 <warren> you blow away your phone often? =)
Nov 25 07:04:18 <warren> yes
Nov 25 07:04:33 <rwhitby> warren: I run the doctor multiple times per week usually.
Nov 25 07:04:34 <warren> rwhitby: would be great if we had a better way to make it not reboot at the end of trenchcoat though
Nov 25 07:05:00 <rwhitby> since the CDMA Pre doesn't work as a phone in Australia, I don't keep much stuff on it.   I use a Treo 650 daily.
Nov 25 07:05:23 <rwhitby> warren: maybe postinstall = /bin/false ?
Nov 25 07:05:42 <rwhitby> or sleep a big number
Nov 25 07:06:19 <WillJitsu> Treo 650 huh. I think mine has been sitting in a drawer for 3+ years now.
Nov 25 07:06:20 <rwhitby> my gsm pre got lost between Germany and here.
Nov 25 07:07:21 <warren> rwhitby: what are the contents of your /boot on a live pre?
Nov 25 07:07:48 <rwhitby> warren: let me get a cable ...
Nov 25 07:08:06 <warren> you're in AU?
Nov 25 07:08:12 <warren> I guess I need to compare it to another Sprint Pre
Nov 25 07:08:16 <warren> Sprint Pre 1.3.1
Nov 25 07:08:29 <Jack87-wIRC> warren: he has sprint pre
Nov 25 07:08:30 <rwhitby> warren: yep, Adelaide
Nov 25 07:08:36 <warren> oh
Nov 25 07:08:48 <rwhitby> I happen to have one of those right here ;-)
Nov 25 07:08:49 <Jack87-wIRC> warren: just not working as a phone
Nov 25 07:08:52 <warren> rwhitby: cool that you work on this, but curious what is your stake in this?
Nov 25 07:09:19 <rwhitby> warren: replacement for Treo 650.  did stuff on openmoko but wanted a hardware keyboard
Nov 25 07:09:33 <warren> heh
Nov 25 07:09:34 <warren> cool
Nov 25 07:10:01 <rwhitby> and an open source project is the easiest way to get other people to write the software that I need ;-)
Nov 25 07:10:07 <Jack87-wIRC> what is openmoko... parden me too lazy to google on pre
Nov 25 07:10:23 <rwhitby> Jack87-wIRC: the first and only truly open source phone
Nov 25 07:10:34 <warren> confirmed, my /boot is empty
Nov 25 07:10:37 <clee> unfortunately, it's also a piece of shit
Nov 25 07:10:45 <rwhitby> warren: dead battery.  will have to wait a while
Nov 25 07:10:47 <rwhitby> clee: agreed.
Nov 25 07:10:53 <warren> This *might* work if I have the right files in my real /boot
Nov 25 07:10:57 <Jack87-wIRC> rwhitby: clee: copy that
Nov 25 07:11:11 <rwhitby> clee: I have 2 1973's and 2 FreeRunners.  only 2 work, and only one works enough to make a call.
Nov 25 07:11:14 <warren> any idea if bootie needs the actual file offsets to find the images like lilo used to?
Nov 25 07:11:18 <warren> or it reads the filesystem to find it?
Nov 25 07:11:33 <clee> rwhitby: openmoko is not exactly what I would call a shining star of the open-source movement.
Nov 25 07:11:39 <rwhitby> warren: no idea.  if geist were around he would know
Nov 25 07:11:45 <Jack87-wIRC> warren: see if you can extract the /boot files from doctor
Nov 25 07:12:19 <warren> I'm hoping a Sprint Pre 1.3.1 user can confirm the exact contents of /boot
Nov 25 07:12:22 <tmzt> for uImage?
Nov 25 07:12:24 <rwhitby> clee: well, everything was open, it just didn't work well, and wasn't managed in a common direction ;-)
Nov 25 07:12:26 <WillJitsu> is it possible to copy/paste from the Terminal app?
Nov 25 07:12:31 <tmzt> they should be in the header
Nov 25 07:12:40 <tmzt> otherwise no point using uImage
Nov 25 07:12:41 <clee> rwhitby: the "only one works enough to make a call" part is the depressing thing.
Nov 25 07:12:44 <clee> WillJitsu: yes
Nov 25 07:13:14 <rwhitby> clee: yep, hardware was unstable, and software went in to many disparate directions to get anything that comes even close to webOS
Nov 25 07:13:27 <clee> rwhitby: hell, I'd settle for Android
Nov 25 07:13:31 <clee> wait.
Nov 25 07:13:32 <clee> no.
Nov 25 07:13:35 <clee> I'm not that desperate.
Nov 25 07:13:51 <warren> clee: what are you doing these days?  we haven't talked in a while.
Nov 25 07:14:04 <clee> warren: working for that startup, kicking ass, taking names, the usual
Nov 25 07:14:15 <WillJitsu> clee: how do you do it?
Nov 25 07:14:39 <clee> WillJitsu: it depends on which terminal app you're using. Are you on OS X?
Nov 25 07:14:52 <clee> or did you mean a Terminal app on webOS?
Nov 25 07:14:59 <clee> if you meant the latter, I have no idea, and I retract my 'yes'
Nov 25 07:15:03 <WillJitsu> clee: yes on webOS
Nov 25 07:15:08 <WillJitsu> ha ok
Nov 25 07:15:11 <clee> then I have no idea. sorry for the lies :)
Nov 25 07:15:32 <warren> Here's the doctor's /boot contents http://fpaste.org/iaxq/
Nov 25 07:15:34 <WillJitsu> :)
Nov 25 07:16:15 <warren> The uimage here doesn't match the md5sum of the uImage in the doctor unpacked
Nov 25 07:16:25 <warren> ohI see
Nov 25 07:16:32 <warren> uImage in doctor unpacked is the installer
Nov 25 07:16:36 <warren> not the standard
Nov 25 07:17:14 <rwhitby> warren: the one in webOS is the installer ram image
Nov 25 07:17:33 <warren> somewhere in here must be the standard /boot contents
Nov 25 07:17:36 <rwhitby> the doctor sends the rootfs stuff across to trenchcoat running on the device as a tarball
Nov 25 07:18:12 <rwhitby> warren: note that I don't unpack the whole rootfs, so look in the tarball, not the unpacked directory
Nov 25 07:18:21 <warren> ah
Nov 25 07:18:25 <Jack87-wIRC> rwhitby: would it be bad to send him the contents of /boot
Nov 25 07:18:30 <rwhitby> warren: there is an unpack-doctor script in the scripts dir
Nov 25 07:18:37 <rwhitby> warren: that unpacks the lot
Nov 25 07:19:42 <warren> wow
Nov 25 07:19:44 <warren> Panic.tga is cool
Nov 25 07:21:03 <rwhitby> warren: unpack-doctor gets you /boot contents
Nov 25 07:21:07 <warren> I see yes
Nov 25 07:21:10 <warren> I'll try copying that over
Nov 25 07:21:13 <warren> nothing to lose
Nov 25 07:21:18 <rwhitby> that should work
Nov 25 07:21:43 <rwhitby> sorry i didn't remember before that meta-doctor only does a partial unpack
Nov 25 07:22:22 <rwhitby> warren: I should be able to compare md5sums from a real phone soon
Nov 25 07:22:31 <warren> thanks
Nov 25 07:22:53 <tmzt> is bootie big enough for sd and fat driver? ro
Nov 25 07:23:07 <tmzt> not fat
Nov 25 07:23:11 <tmzt> is it ext2?
Nov 25 07:23:15 <warren> ext3
Nov 25 07:23:22 <tmzt> since it has symlinks
Nov 25 07:23:25 <rwhitby> warren: yep, they match the doctor
Nov 25 07:23:37 <warren> ok, hopefully bootie knows how to find the files
Nov 25 07:23:48 <warren> umm, how do i copy files over novacom?
Nov 25 07:23:55 <rwhitby> warren: novacom put
Nov 25 07:24:23 <warren> bad or error response from other side: 'unrecognized command'
Nov 25 07:24:25 <rwhitby> warren: I *think* it's novacom put file://boot/foo < file
Nov 25 07:24:30 <warren> oh
Nov 25 07:25:02 <warren> sweet
Nov 25 07:25:03 <rwhitby> warren: WebOS Quick Install has that functionality.
Nov 25 07:25:17 <rwhitby> (and does exactly that under the hood, but it's closed source)
Nov 25 07:25:37 <tmzt> what is?
Nov 25 07:25:45 <rwhitby> wosqi is closed source
Nov 25 07:25:47 <warren> copied files over and rebooing
Nov 25 07:26:07 <tmzt> oh, didn't know that
Nov 25 07:26:22 <rwhitby> tmzt: easy to decompile, but closed source nonetheless
Nov 25 07:26:59 <rwhitby> we really need some good cross-platform python libraries for novacom
Nov 25 07:27:20 <warren> phone boots to Palm logo
Nov 25 07:27:30 <warren> it fades to black and reboots back into Palm logo
Nov 25 07:27:37 <warren> I think I screwed it with the Flash section
Nov 25 07:27:47 <warren> this is progress though
Nov 25 07:28:45 <warren> yeah, it's stuck in a reboot loop now
Nov 25 07:31:51 <rwhitby> warren: does novaterm connect at all?
Nov 25 07:33:16 <warren> rwhitby: how did you get a sprint pre btw?
Nov 25 07:33:32 <warren> rwhitby: I don't think novaterm can work at that point booting from the standard uImage
Nov 25 07:33:46 <rwhitby> warren: bpadalino bought it off craigslist for me.  we checked it was a clean ESN first.
Nov 25 07:34:14 <warren> tmzt: yes, bootie can read ext2
Nov 25 07:35:03 <rwhitby> warren: so you reckon remove everything from castle.xml except CPI ?
Nov 25 07:35:04 <rwhitby> CPU
Nov 25 07:35:14 <rwhitby> (I can test this now)
Nov 25 07:35:32 <warren> rwhitby: that's my guess
Nov 25 07:35:44 <warren> but you still need a way to stop it from rebooting
Nov 25 07:35:54 <warren> and it seems to run novacomd on its own
Nov 25 07:36:06 <rwhitby> warren: novacomd is part of the installer ram image
Nov 25 07:36:21 * warren tries /bin/false
Nov 25 07:36:44 <rwhitby> warren: oh, I just realised, I should have just got you to use novacom and bootie to load the installer manually
Nov 25 07:36:59 <rwhitby> ~facepalm
Nov 25 07:37:01 * infobot facepalms at the situation
Nov 25 07:37:06 <warren> haha
Nov 25 07:37:38 * rwhitby bbl (dinner)
Nov 25 07:38:17 <warren> I suspect the Flash section ruined me
Nov 25 07:41:20 <joshua> creating closed source homebrew anything for the pre just seems wrong.
Nov 25 07:41:43 <joshua> the whole reason we can hack the damn thing is cause of how open palm left most of it. heh
Nov 25 07:41:49 <warren> java.io.IOException: Parse error.  Original RootFilesystem value was not found in Trenchcoat xml document.
Nov 25 07:41:57 <warren> rwhitby: it isn't happy with Flash completely missing
Nov 25 07:42:19 <warren> rwhitby: well, I'm able to novaterm in though, which is good
Nov 25 07:43:04 <tmzt> flash?
Nov 25 07:43:07 <tmzt> why
Nov 25 07:51:49 <warren> are any kernel cmdline options known to boot it without the Palm splash and to see debug info?
Nov 25 07:53:38 <Jack87-wIRC> warren I wonder if you can get into the pre via linux access why not grab all the media files and doctor the thing
Nov 25 07:54:22 <rwhitby> warren: we haven't got into kernel cmdline options at all actually
Nov 25 07:54:23 <warren> Jack87-wIRC: I'm not worried about the media files, more worried about all the prefs that take forever to redo manually that are not restored from palm profile
Nov 25 07:54:25 <Jack87-wIRC> is it possible to grab files through novacom?
Nov 25 07:54:25 <tmzt> warren: look at the source
Nov 25 07:54:31 <chrisa> warren: If you build your own kernel I'm sure you can have it be more verbose
Nov 25 07:54:41 <Jack87-wIRC> warren: I see :)
Nov 25 07:54:47 <chrisa> As for removing the splash, you can't get rid of it entirely via the kernel since it is initially put up by the bootloader
Nov 25 07:55:02 <tmzt> chrisa: do you know if source for pixi has been released?
Nov 25 07:55:07 <Jack87-wIRC> kind of feels useless now with all the effort put in now
Nov 25 07:55:23 <chrisa> No, I don't keep an eye on that side of things really
Nov 25 07:55:33 <chrisa> I'm sure it'll be out soon if it isn't
Nov 25 07:55:50 <warren> Here's what I think it is happening, boot loader putting up the Palm splash, booting kernel, and kernel fails to mount the root filesystem and reboots
Nov 25 07:56:00 <rwhitby> tmzt: an email to opensource@palm is often the trigger for a new upload to the web site ;-)
Nov 25 07:56:06 <Jack87-wIRC> tmzt: probably as soon as they relase source for 1.3.1
Nov 25 07:56:37 <tmzt> I'm not expecting to be 2.6.24 based and all the patches seem go be to 2.6.24
Nov 25 07:56:45 <tmzt> rwhitby: I don't have one
Nov 25 07:56:49 <chrisa> I have code in the pixi release so now I'm curious
Nov 25 07:57:10 <chrisa> tmzt: pretty sure it's still 2.6.24, but I can't check right now
Nov 25 07:57:13 <warren> chrisa: I kind of wedged myself into a unique situation, and nearly restored myself with a modified doctor image.  I managed to boot the ram image with the goal to mount my rootfs and delete a file that was preventing it from booting.  but I failed to stop it from wiping /boot.
Nov 25 07:57:30 <tmzt> qualcomm has a new new gl interface for the 7x27 chips
Nov 25 07:58:12 <warren> chrisa: I subsequently went back in via ram image and copied what seems to be the Sprint 1.3.1 /boot contents into /dev/mmcblk0p2, but it seems it still can't find the rootfs to mount, which suggests I'm still missing something that was blown away.
Nov 25 07:58:46 <tmzt> but I'm actually more interested in something to support 6125 amss on the 76xx
Nov 25 07:58:48 <warren> rwhitby: btw, are there any other files aside from the /boot in that tar?
Nov 25 07:58:57 <rwhitby> warren: check the contents of the md5sums file in the doctor against the rootfs image
Nov 25 07:59:04 <rwhitby> warren: nope. doctor had the complete set
Nov 25 07:59:10 <tmzt> something in p1?
Nov 25 07:59:29 <warren> rwhitby: which md5sums file?
Nov 25 07:59:49 <warren> hmm
Nov 25 07:59:58 <rwhitby> warren: meta-doctor/build/.../rootfs/
Nov 25 08:00:12 <rwhitby> it should exactly match a newly flashed Pre
Nov 25 08:01:01 <rwhitby> that's what the final verification step uses - the meta-doctor has to update that file (and the md5sums in the ipkg database) for anything it touches
Nov 25 08:02:11 <warren> rwhitby: does the pre refuse to boot if anything is not matching md5sums?
Nov 25 08:02:52 <rwhitby> warren: no, the final verification step of the doctor fails, but you can novaterm in and tellbootie to reboot
Nov 25 08:02:57 <rwhitby> it has no effect on a normal boot
Nov 25 08:03:25 <rwhitby> I only meant it as a means to see if any files are missing
Nov 25 08:03:34 <warren> ok, verifying
Nov 25 08:03:51 <warren> I suppose md5sum -c will do?
Nov 25 08:04:04 <chrisa> We don't verify sums on boot. Nothing evil or so ill intended as that
Nov 25 08:04:07 <rwhitby> will probably get false positives
Nov 25 08:04:34 <rwhitby> chrisa: yeah, from what I've seen, Palm uses md5sums for safety, not as a jail.
Nov 25 08:04:41 <warren> chrisa: and that's incredibly cool
Nov 25 08:05:11 <rwhitby> warren: that's the key to the my stake in this - the attitude from Palm
Nov 25 08:05:51 <warren> I wonder if Palm plans to have an official theming method later, so people don't need to dangerously overwrite stuff with themes
Nov 25 08:06:03 <warren> themes can seriously hose up your phone right now
Nov 25 08:06:13 <rwhitby> warren: we've been thinking about using unionfs or aufs to make that safer.
Nov 25 08:06:19 <chrisa> I applied a theme on a dev build and then did an internal OTA
Nov 25 08:06:22 <chrisa> That ended up interesting
Nov 25 08:06:40 <warren> I figured out how to recover manually from that disaster
Nov 25 08:07:13 <warren> rwhitby: well, some themes actually replace the Palm logo from bootie
Nov 25 08:07:23 <warren> rwhitby: can't aufs that
Nov 25 08:07:29 <rwhitby> warren: yeah, true.
Nov 25 08:07:38 <warren> and I can see Palm not wanting to support THAT
Nov 25 08:08:46 <chrisa> Wait, some replace the bootloader's image? Are they modifying the binary blob?
Nov 25 08:09:14 <warren> chrisa: I think so
Nov 25 08:09:16 <warren> chrisa: doesn't look very safe
Nov 25 08:09:44 <warren> hmm
Nov 25 08:09:48 <warren> my phone reboots during md5sum -c
Nov 25 08:09:50 <tmzt> htc people did that
Nov 25 08:10:05 <tmzt> for the themes
Nov 25 08:10:10 <tmzt> xda I mean
Nov 25 08:10:30 <tmzt> is it a fixed size?
Nov 25 08:10:34 <warren> some of the themes that replace the boot logo have some really cool animations
Nov 25 08:10:35 <chrisa> yes
Nov 25 08:10:38 <warren> for the glowing part
Nov 25 08:10:42 <rwhitby> warren: ah, accessing stuff in /dev can reboot the phone
Nov 25 08:10:47 <chrisa> The glowing side is entirely linux
Nov 25 08:10:53 <warren> rwhitby: ~facepalm
Nov 25 08:11:01 <tmzt> reboot on panic
Nov 25 08:11:03 <rwhitby> chrisa: I don't think they are replacing binary blob
Nov 25 08:11:03 <tmzt> ?
Nov 25 08:11:05 <warren> facepalm really takes on a new meaning
Nov 25 08:11:26 <tmzt> warren: what happened?
Nov 25 08:11:27 <chrisa> He's not saying accessing dev in general reboots
Nov 25 08:11:34 <chrisa> Odds are your kernel is not in a good state
Nov 25 08:11:40 <warren> oh?
Nov 25 08:11:48 <rwhitby> chrisa: there is some file in /dev which when read reboots the phone
Nov 25 08:11:59 <warren> I *do*  plan on doctoring this phone when I'm done
Nov 25 08:12:06 <warren> but I want to see if I can figure out what the heck happened
Nov 25 08:12:13 <warren> AFAIK it only blew away /boot and nothing else
Nov 25 08:12:52 <warren> current symptom: Palm logo for a short while, then it fades to black and reboots
Nov 25 08:13:14 <warren> without seeing dmesg fly by, I can only guess it is failing to mount rootfs, panic and reboot
Nov 25 08:13:23 <tmzt> chrisa: the question earlier is if was saving offsets to the uImage somewhere
Nov 25 08:13:35 <chrisa> offsets for which?
Nov 25 08:13:39 <tmzt> warren: try panic=0
Nov 25 08:13:42 <warren> tmzt: I doubt it, bootie can read ext2 filesystem
Nov 25 08:13:48 <tmzt> for the kernel/initrd
Nov 25 08:13:52 <rwhitby> I'm pretty sure bootie just reads it as a file from /boot
Nov 25 08:13:57 <tmzt> that's what we though
Nov 25 08:13:58 <chrisa> warren: if it fades away then luna should be completing it's load
Nov 25 08:14:03 <chrisa> So something is likely happening around then
Nov 25 08:14:14 <warren> chrisa: it isn't a fade... more like a bleed
Nov 25 08:14:16 <tmzt> the kernel fades it not bootie?
Nov 25 08:14:19 <warren> like hardware gave up
Nov 25 08:14:32 <warren> chrisa: backlight went out for a second
Nov 25 08:14:33 <tmzt> like a normal tft sync failure?
Nov 25 08:14:35 <hckyplayer024> how can I install the services for freetether and precorder?
Nov 25 08:14:39 <chrisa> If you watch your phone closely on boot you'll see a point where the palm logo stutters a tiny bit
Nov 25 08:14:42 <chrisa> Like there's a small gap
Nov 25 08:14:45 <Rick_work> 0215 - off to bed having fixed the bug
Nov 25 08:14:55 <tmzt> to white or black?
Nov 25 08:14:55 <chrisa> That's when the bootloader stops displaying it and the kernel then lunasysmgr takes over
Nov 25 08:15:04 <warren> ok
Nov 25 08:15:08 <warren> to black
Nov 25 08:15:18 <tmzt> so luna uses a compressed version?
Nov 25 08:15:23 <warren> tmzt: panic=0 will just make it sit there?
Nov 25 08:15:24 <chrisa> and when it fades to black is usually when the Luna interface expands out
Nov 25 08:15:31 <tmzt> odd, white would be hardware
Nov 25 08:15:36 <tmzt> warren:probably
Nov 25 08:15:48 <tmzt> also try console=tty0
Nov 25 08:15:59 <tmzt> but it seems fbcon is missing
Nov 25 08:16:24 <hckyplayer024> anyone?
Nov 25 08:16:34 <warren> oh here's a question, my Pre was replaced last week because sound stopped working entirely.  My replacement Pre claims it isn't reconditioned in ##786#.  But the edges of the screen are showing light leaking from the edges, which bothers me a bit.  My old Pre didn't do that.
Nov 25 08:16:34 <rwhitby> hckyplayer024: wosqi
Nov 25 08:16:54 <hckyplayer024> where can I find the services?
Nov 25 08:17:03 <warren> I wonder if I really did get a reconditioned phone with screen reattached or something.
Nov 25 08:17:47 <warren> top left corner worries me a bit, it looks like a crack under the surface in the corner
Nov 25 08:17:55 <warren> I wonder if I should ask for another one
Nov 25 08:18:08 <preston> is the freetether alpha functional? or should i not even bother testing it?
Nov 25 08:18:32 <box_> lets do that
Nov 25 08:18:37 <box_> wheres this serviced
Nov 25 08:19:41 <hckyplayer024> box_ thats what im trying to figure out
Nov 25 08:20:16 <hckyplayer024> rwhitby: do you know where I can download the services that I need?
Nov 25 08:21:20 <preston> JayCanuck, do you take direct patch requests? i don't want to clutter the forums if it's a waste of time.
Nov 25 08:21:34 <box_> ive been reading what youve been begging
Nov 25 08:21:57 <JayCanuck> preston: occationally I do, yep
Nov 25 08:22:21 <preston> can i throw your way now and you can think about it?
Nov 25 08:22:44 <rwhitby> preston: I find the best way is to say that there's no possible way that he could do such a patch ;-)
Nov 25 08:22:53 <preston> lol
Nov 25 08:22:58 <JayCanuck> what is the patch?
Nov 25 08:23:06 <JayCanuck> lol, rod
Nov 25 08:23:29 <warren> it seems that the 600MHz cpu scaling patch is way too dangerous to have in preware
Nov 25 08:23:41 <warren> it might work for some people, but lots of complaints of bricking
Nov 25 08:24:23 <rwhitby> warren: yeah, I agree it needs to be pulled
Nov 25 08:24:26 <preston> how about a patch that keeps wifi on when the screen turns off, and only goes back to evdo if it loses the current wifi signal?
Nov 25 08:25:51 <tmzt> brick? hw?
Nov 25 08:25:52 <hckyplayer024> box_ wasn't aware that i was begging... sorry
Nov 25 08:25:53 <tmzt> how
Nov 25 08:25:54 <warren> rwhitby: I wonder if a simple patch could be devised that allows you to turn on novacomd in early boot if you are holding down a button, allowing you easy access to unbrick  your rootfs
Nov 25 08:26:16 <tmzt> how aerly?
Nov 25 08:26:16 <warren> rwhitby: turn on novacomd and freeze boot so nothing else can happen
Nov 25 08:26:30 <tmzt> from upstart?
Nov 25 08:26:34 <warren> would have to be before other things like /etc/event.d/powersave-cpu-scaling runs
Nov 25 08:26:49 <tmzt> from upstart? changing or boot progressing
Nov 25 08:27:05 <grndslm> not like i need it... but just so i get this right... nobody has wifi tether working with 1.3.1?
Nov 25 08:27:07 <grndslm> that's a bummer
Nov 25 08:27:27 <warren> like.... after initrd hands off to rootfs, but before it runs anything dangerous in /etc/event.d
Nov 25 08:27:59 <tmzt> wasn't adhoc removed from the lbs firmware?
Nov 25 08:28:01 <warren> This would make it really easy to escape from most of cases where patches brick your phone
Nov 25 08:28:09 <warren> brb shower
Nov 25 08:28:55 <warren> have we found a simple way to read a button state from shell code?
Nov 25 08:29:30 <warren> early event.d script: 1) read button state  2) if pressed during that stage of bootup run novacomd and stop bootup
Nov 25 08:29:48 <warren> kind of like booting "single" on a normal linux system
Nov 25 08:31:05 <preston> is it possible to allow my computer to bluetooth pair with my pre and automatically pull the files from the /media/internal?
Nov 25 08:31:35 <grndslm> tmzt: lbs?
Nov 25 08:33:10 <tmzt> libertas
Nov 25 08:33:56 <tmzt> warren: if it's in sysfs maybe
Nov 25 08:34:19 <tmzt> otherwise you would have to be able to get the state from somewhere
Nov 25 08:34:28 <preston> JayCanuck, you should consider my patch since according to your twitter, we're almost neighbors.
Nov 25 08:34:50 <acydlord> anyone tried using the same palm profile on multiple devices?
Nov 25 08:35:05 <acydlord> simultaniously i might mention
Nov 25 08:36:32 <rwhitby> warren: if we just load the installer image from bootie using the mem command, then mount the lvm, then that should give us what we need, no?
Nov 25 08:37:03 <rwhitby> acydlord: it logs out of one device and makes you reboot it
Nov 25 08:38:08 <acydlord> rwhitby, well thats a fail. guess I'll have to buy twee on the pixi when it comes in and see if palm will clone my current profile
Nov 25 08:38:15 <tmzt> lvm is built in the kernel?
Nov 25 08:38:53 <tmzt> just needs to start vg probe from userspace?
Nov 25 08:39:05 <tmzt> otherwise you need modules on the initrd
Nov 25 08:39:38 <tmzt> if you do as nova does and start something on usbdevfs
Nov 25 08:39:44 <tmzt> like a root shell :)
Nov 25 08:40:02 <tmzt> you need to write descriptors as well I think
Nov 25 08:41:12 <tmzt> I wonder if anyone has tried writing a cdc-ether to tun proxy
Nov 25 08:41:50 <tmzt> there's already one from synce that could be adapted to be client rather than host
Nov 25 08:43:15 <jauderho_> rwhitby: ping
Nov 25 08:43:22 <rwhitby> jauderho_: hi
Nov 25 08:43:31 <rwhitby> jauderho_: so, there is a proposal to remove some patches
Nov 25 08:43:44 <jauderho_> the cpu scaling patches? =)
Nov 25 08:44:00 <rwhitby> jauderho_: warren can detail one at least
Nov 25 08:44:18 <jauderho_> i'm not against it. i was thinking about it too and just leaving it in the git repo.
Nov 25 08:44:24 <jauderho_> warren: details pls?
Nov 25 08:44:32 <rwhitby> jauderho_: so which ones in particular shall we pull?
Nov 25 08:45:23 <jauderho_> rwhitby: I was going to ask if you had plans to include downloadm nums in the feeds. would be interesting to see which patches / apps are popular
Nov 25 08:45:36 <jauderho_> rwhitby: I would think maybe we should pull the 600mhz patches
Nov 25 08:45:51 <rwhitby> jauderho_: both scaling and smartreflex?
Nov 25 08:45:54 <jauderho_> I think those are the ones with the most issues. and unfortunately people seem to want to use them the most.
Nov 25 08:46:00 <jauderho_> yeah.
Nov 25 08:46:24 <jauderho_> I say just have dbsooner pull them from the feeds or if you can, that's fine. and we'll just leave the patches in the git repo
Nov 25 08:46:47 <warren> 600mhz smartreflex didn't crash for me
Nov 25 08:46:48 <jauderho_> I figure if someone has enough knowledge to dig around git, they should know what they are doing
Nov 25 08:46:52 <warren> 600mhz cpu scaling really fucked me bad
Nov 25 08:47:10 <jauderho_> warren: it varies greatly for different people.
Nov 25 08:47:17 <warren> i'm aware of this
Nov 25 08:47:34 <warren> jauderho: but reading through various forums I don't see bricking complaints for 600mhz smartreflex, only scaling
Nov 25 08:47:35 <jauderho_> and the confusion it's created is just not worth it.
Nov 25 08:47:53 <jauderho_> i say we pull both.
Nov 25 08:48:42 <warren> For safety reasons, I suppose that's a good idea.
Nov 25 08:48:48 <jauderho_> at some point, if someone wants to write a pre app/service to change the mhz, that's fine but pulling both probably makes sense for now. taking the toys away since people cant seem to read
Nov 25 08:48:53 <warren> Palm probably had good reasons for not enabling either.
Nov 25 08:48:55 <jauderho_> the GIANT WARNING SIGNS
Nov 25 08:49:21 <jauderho_> I dont want to run afoul of palm either.
Nov 25 08:49:36 <acydlord> so am I gonna be the first webs dev with their own bugzilla?
Nov 25 08:50:08 <jauderho_> acydlord: why make your own. make it a community bugzilla
Nov 25 08:50:20 <warren> jauderho_: saw my idea above about a "single" mode?
Nov 25 08:50:25 <acydlord> well i'm gonna be hosting it on my website
Nov 25 08:50:30 <jauderho_> no I just joined
Nov 25 08:50:33 <jauderho_> post it
Nov 25 08:50:42 <acydlord> but i wouldnt mind allowing oter devs access
Nov 25 08:51:14 <warren> jauderho_: currently the Up button during boot stops boot at bootie.  I suspect it might be easy to have a similar button you hold down during early userspace that tells upstart to run novacomd and stop normal boot.
Nov 25 08:51:26 <warren> jauderho: this might allow folks to unbrick their phones from patches that prevent boot
Nov 25 08:52:02 <jauderho_> warren: sounds good. get on it =)
Nov 25 08:52:23 <warren> jauderho_: only hard part: do we know how to detect button state from a shell script?
Nov 25 08:52:34 <tmzt> there doesn't seem to be a way to read that state though
Nov 25 08:52:39 <warren> mmm
Nov 25 08:52:45 <jauderho_> not that I know of.
Nov 25 08:52:46 <acydlord> hmm
Nov 25 08:53:06 <tmzt> what's the issue with the scaling?
Nov 25 08:53:08 <jauderho_> may be something palm would have to do. probably in the same place where they detect the up button
Nov 25 08:53:21 <acydlord> i forget the command in linux to check the button code
Nov 25 08:53:24 <tmzt> how does it break booting?
Nov 25 08:53:46 <jauderho_> if the phone can't support the speed, it crashes.
Nov 25 08:53:47 <acydlord> which is sad cause i had to use the fsck out of it getting the aspire one buttons mapped at the kernel level
Nov 25 08:53:49 <warren> next best method: Implement our own "single" mode in upstart scripts.  Thus you simply boot from bootie with an additional kernel cmdline parameter and you go straight into novacomd.
Nov 25 08:54:23 <jauderho_> warren: keep in mind what you are suggesting is probably beyond most people.
Nov 25 08:54:32 <acydlord> ugh, i have to be up and about by noon for a freenode community meeting
Nov 25 08:54:43 <warren> jauderho_: that's true, but this is heck of a lot easier than the disaster I just went through.
Nov 25 08:54:57 <acydlord> bootie and then doctoring?
Nov 25 08:55:41 <warren> meta-doctor in an attempt to modify the doctor to boot in ram without reinstalling my phone, so I can mount my rootfs and delete the cpu scaling patch manually an reboot.
Nov 25 08:55:50 <warren> except I failed to prevent doctor from wiping my /boot
Nov 25 08:56:01 <warren> I restored /boot but something else is missing
Nov 25 08:56:36 <warren> I suspect it wiped out something in nvram, whatever that is.
Nov 25 08:59:05 <tmzt> kernel/initramfs looks workable
Nov 25 08:59:22 <tmzt> I would suggest using devfs though not all of nova
Nov 25 08:59:42 <tmzt> it's questionable if that's even redistributable
Nov 25 09:00:51 <warren> rwhitby: interesting, tons of files in rootfs are not matching its own md5sums file
Nov 25 09:01:26 <rwhitby> warren: maybe it's not updated on an OTA update
Nov 25 09:01:38 <warren> oh
Nov 25 09:01:39 <rwhitby> and any patches we apply would make it differ
Nov 25 09:01:58 <warren> well, /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstcamsrc.so is one such file that doesn't match its own md5sums
Nov 25 09:03:52 <warren> rwhitby: Either it did screw up my rootfs (I don't think it did according to the logs), or it screwed up the nvram, but I don't know what the nvram stuff is
Nov 25 09:04:49 <rwhitby> warren: did you OTA update to 1.3.1 or doctor to get there?
Nov 25 09:05:21 <warren> rwhitby: OTA from unmodified 1.2.1 when I got te replacement phone last week
Nov 25 09:05:54 <warren> hmm, is bootie "go <parameters>" ... parameters can be kernel cmdline?
Nov 25 09:06:03 <geist> no
Nov 25 09:06:18 <geist> but the bootargs environment variable is
Nov 25 09:07:10 <warren> ah
Nov 25 09:07:37 <warren> geist: setenv sets it only for this one boot, or permanently?
Nov 25 09:07:44 <geist> one boot
Nov 25 09:07:53 <geist> saveenv is not in release builds
Nov 25 09:08:05 <warren> thanks
Nov 25 09:09:08 <warren> geist: is there any way to redirect kernel mesgs during boot to novacom?
Nov 25 09:09:16 <geist> no
Nov 25 09:09:19 <warren> darn
Nov 25 09:10:08 <tmzt> very uboot like
Nov 25 09:10:25 <geist> yep. i use uboot a lot for hobby hackery
Nov 25 09:10:54 <warren> OK, panic=0 and it no longer is stuck in a reboot loop.  I suspect it really isn't mounting the rootfs.
Nov 25 09:10:59 <tmzt> I'm hoping to play with qi on msm hardware
Nov 25 09:11:17 <tmzt> don't really like the uboot cmds much
Nov 25 09:11:17 <warren> Without any means of seeing the messages during boot I guess there isn't much more I can do.
Nov 25 09:11:17 <rwhitby> warren: OTA explains the md5sums diffs
Nov 25 09:11:38 <tmzt> any cmdline options to reenable console?
Nov 25 09:11:58 <rwhitby> geist: I'm pulling the 600MHz patches.  And danger in the 500Mhz ones?
Nov 25 09:12:08 <rwhitby> s/And/Any/
Nov 25 09:12:09 <infobot> rwhitby meant: geist: I'm pulling the 600MHz patches.  Any danger in the 500Mhz ones?
Nov 25 09:12:18 <geist> dunno
Nov 25 09:12:35 <rwhitby> ok, thanks.
Nov 25 09:13:04 * warren wonders how long until the news hits precentral
Nov 25 09:13:10 <geist> what news?
Nov 25 09:13:27 <rwhitby> geist: that preware is pulling the 600Mhz patches
Nov 25 09:13:29 <warren> <somebody> pulls 600mhz patches
Nov 25 09:13:36 <geist> ...
Nov 25 09:13:53 <geist> what does that even mean?
Nov 25 09:13:59 <geist> pulling patches from where? to where?
Nov 25 09:14:41 <warren> geist: it was a bad idea to put them into preware
Nov 25 09:14:56 <warren> removing from preware
Nov 25 09:15:13 <warren> rwhitby: I'll see if I can implement the idea of a "single" mode
Nov 25 09:15:14 <geist> oh. preware replaces the kernel?
Nov 25 09:15:39 <warren> geist: no, the "600mhz" patches add a /etc/event.d/ script that sets stuff during bootup that can cause phones to fail to boot
Nov 25 09:15:55 <geist> ah yeah. not surprising
Nov 25 09:16:08 <geist> there's kind of a reason we didn't clock it up to 600
Nov 25 09:16:18 <warren> geist: no kidding =)
Nov 25 09:17:40 <warren> geist: I'm thinking to implement a "single user mode"-like thing where you boot the phone with either a cmdline option or (if there is a way to read the button state from shell scripts), it stops boot early in userspace and runs novacomd so you can easily unbrick your phone.  Sadly the 600mhz patch isn't hte only thing that can screw the boot.  I've seen THEMES screw the boot.
Nov 25 09:18:25 <warren> geist: Do you know of a way to read buttons from a shell script?
Nov 25 09:18:54 <geist> what kind of buttons?
Nov 25 09:19:09 <geist> keyboard or the 'external' buttons?
Nov 25 09:19:28 <warren> geist: what do you mean by 'external'?
Nov 25 09:19:37 <rwhitby> vol-up, etc
Nov 25 09:19:39 <geist> vol+, vol-, core navi
Nov 25 09:19:49 <geist> those come in as gpios, and are handled by a different driver
Nov 25 09:20:04 <geist> though they get pushed into input events with the same mechanism as the keyboard
Nov 25 09:20:07 <rwhitby> warren: kernel patches are on opensource.palm.com
Nov 25 09:20:10 <warren> geist: idea: Hold down <some button> button during phone boot, early userspace sees you are holding it down, stops boot and runs novacomd.
Nov 25 09:20:32 <geist> could read from the input queue
Nov 25 09:20:38 <geist> that's generic linux stuff
Nov 25 09:20:42 <warren> ah
Nov 25 09:20:44 <warren> hmm
Nov 25 09:20:53 <geist> but you'd have to do it before hidd starts, hidd grabs ahold of it
Nov 25 09:21:04 <warren> hidd is udev?
Nov 25 09:21:11 <tmzt> with upstart should be possible
Nov 25 09:21:13 <warren> (does the phone use udev?)
Nov 25 09:21:15 <tmzt> warren: no
Nov 25 09:21:19 <geist> no, hidd is a palm specific app. it deals with all the input events
Nov 25 09:21:22 <warren> oh
Nov 25 09:21:25 <tmzt> hidd is userspace input muxer
Nov 25 09:21:27 <geist> and yes it uses udev
Nov 25 09:21:36 <warren> ok, this sounds possible then.
Nov 25 09:22:01 <tmzt> if you can read from the input dev queue for the button you want
Nov 25 09:22:13 <tmzt> that should flush it before luna starts
Nov 25 09:22:25 <geist> yeah, dont see why that wouldn't work
Nov 25 09:22:31 <tmzt> is hidd started by upstart or luna?
Nov 25 09:22:35 <geist> upstart
Nov 25 09:22:39 <geist> everything is started by upstart
Nov 25 09:22:45 <tmzt> so patch the event
Nov 25 09:22:56 <geist> so if you put your thing before hidd starts you can do your decision there
Nov 25 09:22:58 <tmzt> not to start until the inputchecker exits
Nov 25 09:23:02 <warren> Themes and other Preware patches are doing some pretty dangerous things, this kind of safety feature would make it a lot less dangerous.
Nov 25 09:23:16 <tmzt> so would union
Nov 25 09:23:36 <tmzt> but it might slow things down
Nov 25 09:23:41 <warren> union seems like a bad idea to me
Nov 25 09:23:52 <warren> trying to solve the wrong problem as well
Nov 25 09:25:43 <grndslm> poppy cock... smartreflex 600 mhz didn't need to be removed
Nov 25 09:25:50 <grndslm> runs great
Nov 25 09:26:02 <grndslm> tho... anybody can edit the /etc/event.d/ file if needed, i guess
Nov 25 09:26:12 <warren> better to be safe than sorry
Nov 25 09:26:39 <grndslm> i think there was tons of safe warning in the descriptions and on the forums
Nov 25 09:26:49 <grndslm> people knew what they were getting into
Nov 25 09:27:25 <grndslm> i'd still like to hear this reason that smartreflex is not utilized in stock firmware
Nov 25 09:27:34 <grndslm> ... if anybody'd like to explain that to me...
Nov 25 09:27:40 <warren> well, nothing stops you from editing the event.d file
Nov 25 09:28:03 <grndslm> right
Nov 25 09:28:14 <grndslm> but why didn't palm use smartreflex 500 MHz, even?
Nov 25 09:28:38 <grndslm> what do they have against "voltage scaling"?
Nov 25 09:29:03 <warren> grndslm: I'm just guessing here, but I suspect it isn't 100% stable
Nov 25 09:29:58 <grndslm> even the 500 MHz?
Nov 25 09:30:05 <grndslm> no way
Nov 25 09:30:48 <warren> doctoring phone, it seems I can't fix this
Nov 25 09:42:10 <warren> rwhitby: hmm, implementing "single" mode from cmdline only (not button) would be a simple matter of a single event.d script
Nov 25 09:42:28 <warren> rwhitby: I'm not entirely sure how to read buttons, but button reading could be added to that script later I suspect.
Nov 25 09:44:29 <jauderho_> rwhitby: btw not sure if you know this but IE6 does not support TLS SNI afaik
Nov 25 09:47:34 <warren> sleep
Nov 25 09:48:03 <warren> thanks everyone (especially rwhitby).  I learned a lot and I hope to help soon.
Nov 25 09:48:26 <rwhitby> warren: thanks for dropping by
Nov 25 09:48:44 <rwhitby> warren: we'll welcome the expertise
Nov 25 09:52:57 <jauderho_> yup
Nov 25 10:06:54 <tmzt> SNI?
Nov 25 10:11:52 <jauderho_> multiple SSL with one IP
Nov 25 10:12:03 <jauderho_> the holy grail of SSL
Nov 25 10:12:37 <jauderho_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Server_Name_Indication
Nov 25 10:13:17 <jauderho_> been fighting with it tonight for a client. but opting to fall back to the old way of one IP per SSL.
Nov 25 10:16:59 <tmzt> ah
Nov 25 10:17:06 <tmzt> Host:
Nov 25 10:22:53 <grndslm> oh hey... forgot to ask this... a few days ago, i found these two random files on my computer "TowersTKA82UHP29K097298.csv" && "TransmittersCJT3678GY7KJ22.csv" and i'm wondering how in the heck they got on my computer
Nov 25 10:23:04 <grndslm> anybody have an answer for that?
Nov 25 10:23:34 <grndslm> tells me every tower that my phone's hit off of... it's pretty nuts... and i just have no clue how it magically uploaded itself to my computer
Nov 25 10:23:35 <grndslm> very strange
Nov 25 11:01:56 <jauderho_> grndslm: nope. never seen that b4
Nov 25 11:02:19 <grndslm> yea, i think i musta downloaded that from some site
Nov 25 11:02:46 <grndslm> i don't think it's actually every tower i've hit off of, but just a list of towers in my area
Nov 25 11:03:29 <grndslm> jauderho_: are you running the smartreflex 600?
Nov 25 11:07:58 <jauderho_> no
Nov 25 11:26:29 <grndslm> jauderho_: any particular reason?  seems to be running great for me.  i was getting ~0.35% drain/hour with all radios off.
Nov 25 11:26:59 <jauderho_> no. i'm using clipcarl's cet-cpuspeed program
Nov 25 11:27:04 <grndslm> i'll probly settle with 550, but i'm wondering why people wouldn't even want to run SR 500
Nov 25 11:27:10 <grndslm> hmm... i saw that earlier
Nov 25 11:27:34 <jauderho_> works for me and I never got around to going back to either cpu-scaling or smartreflex
Nov 25 11:28:07 <grndslm> yea, i think i'm gonna skip scaling
Nov 25 11:28:16 <grndslm> but isn't clipcarl's method similar to freq scaling?
Nov 25 11:35:17 <jauderho_> not quite. his method is on one speed off one speed
Nov 25 11:35:29 <jauderho_> cpu-scaling does change the freq dynamically
Nov 25 11:43:55 * rwhitby bbt
Nov 25 12:11:06 <mobgod> hmmmm
Nov 25 12:14:16 <en0x> good morning vietnam!
Nov 25 12:18:48 <freakout> rwhitby: i know you said bbt, but are you still hiding?
Nov 25 12:22:32 <en0x> bbt? be back tomorrow?
Nov 25 12:22:51 <mobgod> morning boston
Nov 25 12:22:57 <en0x> yo yankee!
Nov 25 12:22:58 <en0x> :)
Nov 25 12:23:18 <mobgod> bbs need coffee
Nov 25 12:23:29 <en0x> i just finished mine
Nov 25 12:26:16 <DrFunk> en0x: did you catch the cast last night ?
Nov 25 12:27:29 <en0x> what cast?
Nov 25 12:27:50 <DrFunk> the palm one
Nov 25 12:27:53 <en0x> nope
Nov 25 12:28:26 <en0x> i was busy drinking
Nov 25 12:28:27 <en0x> :P
Nov 25 12:29:06 <DrFunk> real nice
Nov 25 12:29:29 <en0x> dBsooner, the add roam control to prefs patch is not working on my pre 1.3.1 it installs fine but it doesnt show in prefs...
Nov 25 12:29:30 <DrFunk> don't tell me you drink bud
Nov 25 12:29:44 <en0x> DrFunk, shots of vodka
Nov 25 12:30:12 <DrFunk> nice dude how you feel today ?
Nov 25 12:30:41 <en0x> i'm an old alcoholic
Nov 25 12:30:44 <en0x> so no hangover
Nov 25 12:30:44 <en0x> :)
Nov 25 12:31:31 <DrFunk> haha
Nov 25 12:45:40 <jbjoerk> hm, what is the recommended way to bypass the palm profile creation?
Nov 25 12:50:13 <grndslm> jbjoerk: meta-doctor
Nov 25 12:51:06 <jbjoerk> grndslm: k. fuckit, just went through it anyway and just have to live with the little bit of datatraffic (was going to take my operator 24hrs to activate unlimited data *sigh*)
Nov 25 12:51:14 <jbjoerk> thanks btw :D
Nov 25 12:51:30 <grndslm> np
Nov 25 12:51:57 <jbjoerk> 2.5$/Mb + pre is not  great combo :D
Nov 25 12:53:26 <en0x> lol
Nov 25 12:53:36 <en0x> thats why unlimited data plan rocks
Nov 25 12:53:36 <en0x> ;)
Nov 25 12:53:44 <en0x> i wonder how many gb i did this month
Nov 25 12:53:46 <en0x> gotta check on sprint
Nov 25 12:54:56 <en0x> 333569Kb
Nov 25 12:55:03 <en0x> 300MB
Nov 25 12:55:04 <en0x> :(
Nov 25 12:55:38 <jbjoerk> <- has been without a pre for 6 mo
Nov 25 12:56:34 <en0x> i cant live without it
Nov 25 12:56:35 <en0x> :(
Nov 25 12:57:46 <jbjoerk> brb
Nov 25 13:25:41 <jettero> what do you do for a usb network driver in windows?
Nov 25 13:25:56 <jettero> I frequently ssh to my pre on the usb cable from linux (built in); but windows hates me
Nov 25 13:32:31 <jettero> oh, it's on the wiki
Nov 25 16:04:45 <a2ny|work> ~seen rwhitby
Nov 25 16:04:48 <infobot> rwhitby is currently on #webos-internals (12h 43m 30s) #oe (12h 43m 30s) #nslu2-linux (12h 43m 30s). Has said a total of 177 messages. Is idling for 6h 16m 4s, last said: 'warren: we'll welcome the expertise'.
Nov 25 16:24:22 <a2ny|work> classic comes installed on a stock pre ???
Nov 25 16:24:27 <sampson> PuffTheMagic: freetether works great!
Nov 25 16:24:28 <Marajin> a2ny|work: whut?
Nov 25 16:24:40 <Marajin> a2ny|work: Never have I heard such wild claims!
Nov 25 16:24:42 <sampson> freetether+nodoze=party in my pants
Nov 25 16:24:47 <thebitguru> sampson: that's already released? :)
Nov 25 16:24:47 <PuffTheMagic> sampson: thanks....too bad wifi is more jacked up than i thought
Nov 25 16:24:50 <Marajin> a2ny|work: although it'd be a smart move by palm
Nov 25 16:24:56 <a2ny|work> ipkg list_installed | grep com.motionapps
Nov 25 16:24:56 <sampson> thebitguru: there's an alpha
Nov 25 16:25:06 <thebitguru> ooh, where can I get it? :)
Nov 25 16:25:08 <sampson> just so you know though when it goes to sleep the connection drops i had to use nodoze to fix that PuffTheMagic
Nov 25 16:25:09 <PuffTheMagic> thebitguru: is usb only right now
Nov 25 16:25:20 <thebitguru> oh
Nov 25 16:25:29 <PuffTheMagic> sampson: yeah i was gonna add something to turn off the sleep
Nov 25 16:25:57 <thebitguru> PuffTheMagic: where can I get the alpha?
Nov 25 16:26:03 <sampson> gonna get bluetooth working?
Nov 25 16:26:16 <PuffTheMagic> thebitguru: palm actually changed the wifi driver so I am gonna have to e-mail the opensource people there cause they are not gonna get away with distributing more GPL stuff with no code
Nov 25 16:26:40 <PuffTheMagic> the sd8xxx and wlanconfig tool are straight from  marvel's website
Nov 25 16:26:44 <PuffTheMagic> and its all GPL
Nov 25 16:26:50 <PuffTheMagic> thebitguru: testing feed
Nov 25 16:27:09 <a2ny|work> http://webos.pastebin.com/me8eb7dc
Nov 25 16:27:25 <Marajin> a2ny|work: must I? It's effort.. I have to walk all the way over there and grab my pre from the touchstone..
Nov 25 16:27:38 <a2ny|work> Marajin: I got pastebin for ya ;)
Nov 25 16:27:59 <Marajin> a2ny|work: huh, old version of classic though
Nov 25 16:28:05 <a2ny|work> service is already installed
Nov 25 16:28:08 <sampson> too bad classic blows ass
Nov 25 16:28:21 <a2ny|work> that's why....
Nov 25 16:28:29 <a2ny|work> ipkg remove com.motionapps.*
Nov 25 16:29:15 <sampson> sweet i can send sms and it still works
Nov 25 16:29:33 <sampson> boarding time toodles
Nov 25 16:30:29 <Marajin> a2ny|work: well, yeah it's shown on the 1.3.1 eu rom too
Nov 25 16:33:32 <Marajin> a2ny|work: I wonder if they'll ever release classic in the EU/UK
Nov 25 16:38:19 <a2ny|work> unsure
Nov 25 16:42:37 <xaiki> hey, are they any precentral people here ?
Nov 25 16:42:45 <xaiki> maybe it's time to get a bit of news coverage for this:
Nov 25 16:42:47 <xaiki> http://forums.palm.com/palm/board/message?board.id=palmservices&thread.id=842
Nov 25 16:43:09 <xaiki> basically, if you got a GSM pre and don't use it in the country you bought it, you get no access to the app catalogue.
Nov 25 16:43:39 <xaiki> i.e. me, GSM pre bought in Germany, used in France, with language in spanish/argentina, -> no app catalogue access. =(
Nov 25 16:46:07 <cryptk-afk> does anyone know of any issues currently with any patches or maybe preware causing me to not be able to install apps from the app catalog?
Nov 25 16:46:48 <cryptk-afk> I can get to the app catalog, I can see the app... when i click to install it, it will download, then display "tap to launch" for a split second, then change to "Download again for free"
Nov 25 16:48:42 <a2ny|work> cryptk: 30sec to suspend fyi
Nov 25 16:48:54 <cryptk> is that how long it takes?
Nov 25 16:48:55 <a2ny|work> the only app cat patch is the number of downlaods
Nov 25 16:49:19 <a2ny|work> yes, and prepared time is 5000ms/5sec
Nov 25 16:49:33 <a2ny|work> this is the powerd config
Nov 25 16:49:45 <a2ny|work> cat /var/preferences/com.palm.power/powerd.conf
Nov 25 16:50:00 <cryptk> well, I just uninstalled preware, package manager and the number of downloads patch and now I can install apps from catalog...
Nov 25 16:50:18 <cryptk> lets see if I can find which one is causing the problem... start with preware and package manager
Nov 25 16:50:59 <cryptk> oh, and I uninstalled the unthrottle downoads patch also...
Nov 25 16:51:58 <a2ny|work> preware uses... ipkg -o /var
Nov 25 16:52:30 <cryptk> yes, but it has the option for the "partial fix app install limit"
Nov 25 16:52:41 <cryptk> I am wondering if that may cause the problem... I am testing now though
Nov 25 16:52:58 <cryptk> it has to be one of the 4 things I jsut uninstalled cause the problem went away
Nov 25 16:53:45 <a2ny|work> df -h /dev/mapper/store-var
Nov 25 16:54:19 <cryptk> just installed package manager and preware and the problem is back
Nov 25 16:54:34 <cryptk> gonna turn off the partial app limit fix
Nov 25 16:54:52 <a2ny|work> cryptk: that will tell you how much space is on var
Nov 25 16:55:32 <cryptk> 171.3M available
Nov 25 16:55:43 <cryptk> it isn't telling me I am at the limit
Nov 25 16:55:53 <cryptk> I am thinking prewares app limit fix may be making it so I can't install anything...
Nov 25 16:56:34 <a2ny|work> yeah, I was just wondering the size, how much do you have in use ?
Nov 25 16:56:55 <cryptk> 76.7M
Nov 25 16:57:04 <cryptk> for a total size of 248M
Nov 25 16:57:57 <cryptk> disabled prewares app limit fix and now the app store is saying I am out of space... maybe the app limit fix needs a restart when you turn it on and off
Nov 25 16:58:00 <cryptk> rebooting phone now
Nov 25 16:59:08 <cryptk> doing a full reboot, not just a luna restart
Nov 25 17:00:20 <cryptk> weird... it still says I am out of space...
Nov 25 17:01:08 <a2ny|work> meta-doc time :D
Nov 25 17:01:19 <cryptk> and it still says I have 171M free...
Nov 25 17:01:34 <a2ny|work> 2.0G     91.6M      1.9G   5% /var
Nov 25 17:01:38 <cryptk> what is meta-doc... I have heard the term, never looked into it
Nov 25 17:02:19 <cryptk> it says there is 171M free, the app is onle 3475K...
Nov 25 17:02:27 <cryptk> s/onle/only/
Nov 25 17:02:27 <infobot> cryptk meant: it says there is 171M free, the app is only 3475K...
Nov 25 17:02:40 <a2ny|work> rwhitby's creation, uses a makefile, can alter... first-use, /var size, dev mode on
Nov 25 17:02:57 <cryptk> the problem isn't with the /var size though
Nov 25 17:03:09 <cryptk> when I uninstall preware and package manager thigns install fine
Nov 25 17:03:39 <cryptk> s/thigns/things
Nov 25 17:03:43 <cryptk> argh...
Nov 25 17:04:22 <cryptk> ~seen oil
Nov 25 17:04:26 <infobot> oil is currently on #webos-internals. Has said a total of 15 messages. Is idling for 16h 8m, last said: 'idk, puff made a battery thing'.
Nov 25 17:04:55 <PreSolutions> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/nintendo just caused a luna restart on my pre.
Nov 25 17:05:08 <cryptk> puch
Nov 25 17:05:18 <cryptk> s/puch/ouch/
Nov 25 17:05:18 <infobot> cryptk meant: ouch
Nov 25 17:05:42 <a2ny|work> cryptk: good read, http://www.rwhitby.net/blog/webos-internals/palm-pre-app-install-limits.html
Nov 25 17:06:11 <cryptk> a2ny|work: the problem isn't the app limit, I am not at the app limit
Nov 25 17:06:11 <PreSolutions> browser fail...usually it is youtube that causes restarts
Nov 25 17:07:52 <a2ny|work> cryptk: with preware installed
Nov 25 17:08:00 <a2ny|work> what do you get when you run ipkg list_installed
Nov 25 17:08:22 <a2ny|work> ipkg -o /var list_installed
Nov 25 17:08:32 <a2ny|work> both of those^
Nov 25 17:12:12 <cryptk> ipkg list_installed http://webos.pastebin.com/m79428390
Nov 25 17:12:59 <cryptk> ipkg -o /var list_installed http://webos.pastebin.com/m57138c15
Nov 25 17:13:11 <cryptk> a2ny|work, pastebins^^
Nov 25 17:15:34 <dBsooner> jauderho: you here?
Nov 25 17:18:52 <a2ny|work> du -s /var/usr/palm/applications/*
Nov 25 17:19:07 <a2ny|work> what's the total from the first col
Nov 25 17:20:48 <egaudet_work> oooh lots of patches installed :p
Nov 25 17:21:08 <dBsooner> ?
Nov 25 17:21:29 <dBsooner> egaudet_work: why did rwhitby bump the version number of a couple patches just to change the icon?
Nov 25 17:21:38 <a2ny|work> egaudet_work: lol
Nov 25 17:21:39 <dBsooner> couldn't he have just bumped the META_SUB_VERSION?
Nov 25 17:22:08 <egaudet_work> I don't know?
Nov 25 17:22:43 <dBsooner> egaudet_work: Bumping META_SUBVERSION will make th epackage rebuild, but use the existing VERSION of the modification
Nov 25 17:23:05 <dBsooner> which is what needed to be done I am assuming, as there were no changes to thsoe patches in the modifications repo
Nov 25 17:23:50 <dBsooner> Unless he wanted the users who had it installed to see an "update" with the new icon.. Just bumping META_SUB_VERSION won't cause installed to see it.
Nov 25 17:24:18 <dBsooner> Man I smell like bitter sour sewer.. I hate it when I have breakfast for dinner. :(
Nov 25 17:24:26 <egaudet_work> all the 600MHZ have been pulled?
Nov 25 17:24:47 <egaudet_work> dBsooner, lclark updated some stuff
Nov 25 17:25:06 <dBsooner> lclark isn't the maintaqiner of the patches rwhitby messed with
Nov 25 17:25:07 <egaudet_work> dBsooner, I know what META version stuff does, I created it
Nov 25 17:25:15 <egaudet_work> s/created/added/
Nov 25 17:25:16 <infobot> egaudet_work meant: dBsooner, I know what META version stuff does, I added it
Nov 25 17:25:32 <dBsooner> I understand.. I was just trying to figure out why he did it
Nov 25 17:25:40 <dBsooner> he also bumped the version of the pulled stuff to 1.3.1-99
Nov 25 17:25:52 <egaudet_work> you'd have to ask him
Nov 25 17:25:56 <preston_wirc> webos-internals.org always crashes my pre's browser. anyone from there know why?
Nov 25 17:25:56 <dBsooner> Yeah
Nov 25 17:25:59 <dBsooner> I thought you might know
Nov 25 17:26:01 <egaudet_work> he probably bumped the version to include lclark's changes...
Nov 25 17:26:22 <dBsooner> egaudet_work: No
Nov 25 17:26:29 <cryptk> DAMN YOU TIME WARNER!!!
Nov 25 17:26:41 <cryptk> my internet has been going out non stop for the last 3 days...
Nov 25 17:26:41 <dBsooner> egaudet_work: He put the version # in the Dangerous-* patches
Nov 25 17:27:07 <dBsooner> egaudet_work: he eidn't use the new version in any of lclark's changes
Nov 25 17:27:07 <egaudet_work> dBsooner, i was talking about bumping the version yous aid only icon changed, I am pointing out lclark modified some patches in gitorious
Nov 25 17:27:19 <dBsooner> I know, I see that.
Nov 25 17:27:37 <dBsooner> and he modify the build files for lclark's cahnges
Nov 25 17:27:52 <dBsooner> he bumped the version # to -19 and put that into the dangerous-* build files only.
Nov 25 17:28:03 <cryptk> a2ny|work, you still there?
Nov 25 17:28:18 <egaudet_work> dBsooner I don't know what youa re saying
Nov 25 17:28:24 <cryptk> it is definitely something with preware/package manager causing the problem
Nov 25 17:28:32 <dBsooner> http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=commit;h=2b72f015a160ae0ae2b26e3d643ae8cd6f3eb3a0
Nov 25 17:28:35 <cryptk> just uninstalled them again and now apps install fine
Nov 25 17:29:02 <dBsooner> in autopatch/dangerous-*-500Mhz/Makefile iswhere he put the -19 tag
Nov 25 17:29:14 <dBsooner> he didn't use the -19 for lclark's changes
Nov 25 17:29:33 <egaudet_work> I'm guessing since these patches are dangerous, he wanted all users to be visually aware of this
Nov 25 17:29:36 <a2ny|work> cryptk: yeah
Nov 25 17:29:46 <dBsooner> egaudet_work: right, but I had already made them aware.
Nov 25 17:29:54 <egaudet_work> I'm glad the 600 ones are out though, didn't think they ever should have been in
Nov 25 17:29:56 <dBsooner> when I moved them to dangerous and added the warnings
Nov 25 17:30:11 <cryptk> so... I have plenty of space in the /var... preware/package manager installed I can't install apps, uninstall them and I can
Nov 25 17:30:21 <a2ny|work> did you do...
Nov 25 17:30:21 <dBsooner> OK, I thought you were here when he did it.. that's why I asked.
Nov 25 17:30:29 <a2ny|work> du -s /var/usr/palm/applications/*
Nov 25 17:30:29 <egaudet_work> dBsooner, you made most people aware. But there's still a big chunk that do not read warnings lol
Nov 25 17:30:42 <egaudet_work> I wasn't around yesterday
Nov 25 17:30:50 <dBsooner> Yeah, this was early this morning our time
Nov 25 17:30:52 <dBsooner> like 3am
Nov 25 17:30:54 <cryptk> if they are installed and the app limit fix is set to yes, it downloads but doesn't install (that is what it seems like).  if it is set to no, it refuses to d/l because of app limit, even though I am nowhere close
Nov 25 17:31:05 * dBsooner is off till Monday. :D
Nov 25 17:31:07 <cryptk> lemme try that cmd now
Nov 25 17:31:20 <dBsooner> cryptk: open preware
Nov 25 17:31:24 <cryptk> ok
Nov 25 17:31:25 <dBsooner> cryptk: what version do you have installed?
Nov 25 17:31:29 <dBsooner> should say right at the top.
Nov 25 17:31:40 <cryptk> right now it isn't installed
Nov 25 17:31:47 <cryptk> but it was the most recent version from the feed
Nov 25 17:31:56 <egaudet_work> how much avail space in var?
Nov 25 17:31:56 <dBsooner> so you uninstalled it?
Nov 25 17:31:56 <egaudet_work> df -h
Nov 25 17:31:59 <cryptk> I have uninstalled and reinstalled it a few times working on this
Nov 25 17:32:07 <dBsooner> you need to check /var with df -h
Nov 25 17:32:16 <a2ny|work> I had him
Nov 25 17:32:39 <a2ny|work> (8:54:13 AM) cryptk: 171.3M available
Nov 25 17:32:45 <dBsooner> a2ny|work: I know. But if he has the newest ipkg servce installed, it eliminates that
Nov 25 17:32:50 <cryptk> a2ny|work du -s /var/usr/palm/applications/* > http://webos.pastebin.com/m6d9346d1
Nov 25 17:33:30 <cryptk> the /var has 171M free
Nov 25 17:33:39 <dBsooner> how much does it have used?
Nov 25 17:33:51 <dBsooner> df -h gives you that
Nov 25 17:34:03 <cryptk> 78.3M
Nov 25 17:34:03 <dBsooner> that's why
Nov 25 17:34:10 <dBsooner> you can't have more than 64MB installed
Nov 25 17:34:14 <cryptk> ahh
Nov 25 17:34:17 <dBsooner> you need to install lateset preware and ipkg service
Nov 25 17:34:24 <dBsooner> and enable the "app limit fix"
Nov 25 17:34:29 <cryptk> so then why can I install apps right now
Nov 25 17:34:32 <cryptk> that is the problem
Nov 25 17:34:37 <dBsooner> Because you have more than 64mb installed
Nov 25 17:34:44 <cryptk> right now, no preware no package manager I can install apps fine
Nov 25 17:34:44 <dBsooner> app cat will not let you install more
Nov 25 17:34:59 <cryptk> when i install preware, even with the app limit fix, I cannot install them
Nov 25 17:35:08 <cryptk> the app cat DOES let me install more
Nov 25 17:35:11 <dBsooner> how?
Nov 25 17:35:11 <cryptk> right now, I jsut isntalled one
Nov 25 17:35:25 <cryptk> I click on it... then tap the download button, lol
Nov 25 17:35:36 <egaudet_work> ls /var/usr/bin/ipkg
Nov 25 17:35:43 <dBsooner> yeah.. do that. :)
Nov 25 17:35:54 <dBsooner> if that's there, then thats how
Nov 25 17:35:57 <cryptk> no such directory
Nov 25 17:36:14 <cryptk> preware is not currently installed if that makes a diff
Nov 25 17:36:21 <dBsooner> nope
Nov 25 17:36:33 <dBsooner> but its odd that app cat is letting you install more than 64mb
Nov 25 17:36:40 <cryptk> now it isn't...
Nov 25 17:36:42 <cryptk> weird
Nov 25 17:36:53 <dBsooner> "Not enough room"?
Nov 25 17:37:14 <cryptk> yeah...
Nov 25 17:37:18 <dBsooner> install ipkg service
Nov 25 17:37:26 <cryptk> I jsut uninstalled an app, now I am at 75.9M free
Nov 25 17:37:29 <cryptk> err used
Nov 25 17:37:31 <egaudet_work> what does the partial app limit fix do?  I thought it installed /var/usr/bin/ipkg?
Nov 25 17:37:45 <dBsooner> egaudet_work: it does
Nov 25 17:37:49 <egaudet_work> I don't have it
Nov 25 17:37:52 <egaudet_work> but mine in preferences set to yes
Nov 25 17:37:52 <dBsooner> is it disabled?
Nov 25 17:37:59 <cryptk> now with me at 75.9M used I am installing an app
Nov 25 17:38:16 <cryptk> but after this one it says app limit
Nov 25 17:38:20 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet_work: i sent a bitch-o-gram to palm opensource e-mail
Nov 25 17:38:47 <egaudet_work> PuffTheMagic about what the app limit?
Nov 25 17:38:53 <cryptk> reinstalling preware and package manager
Nov 25 17:38:55 <a2ny|work> dBsooner: mvapp may work for him ?
Nov 25 17:39:08 <dBsooner> a2ny|work: nah.. the package manager will fix it
Nov 25 17:39:22 <cryptk> ok, just installed preware and package manager
Nov 25 17:39:28 <dBsooner> what versions?
Nov 25 17:39:30 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet_work: so bout the sd8xxx drivers.... they are definately GPL and directly (an maybe slighly modified) from Marvel
Nov 25 17:39:40 <PuffTheMagic> s/so bout/no about/
Nov 25 17:39:40 <infobot> PuffTheMagic meant: egaudet_work: no about the sd8xxx drivers.... they are definately GPL and directly (an maybe slighly modified) from Marvel
Nov 25 17:39:41 <cryptk> it is starting up
Nov 25 17:40:09 <cryptk> 0.9.12
Nov 25 17:40:25 <cryptk> now I have partial app limit fix set to yes
Nov 25 17:40:26 <dBsooner> ok.. ipkg service?
Nov 25 17:40:45 <cryptk> you mean the package manager service preware uses?
Nov 25 17:40:51 <dBsooner> yes
Nov 25 17:40:55 <dBsooner> what version # is installed?
Nov 25 17:41:08 <cryptk> 0.9.21
Nov 25 17:41:42 <dBsooner> now do "ls /var/usr/bin/ipkg"
Nov 25 17:41:57 <cryptk> no such directory
Nov 25 17:42:02 <a2ny|work> ls /var/usr/bin/ipkg
Nov 25 17:42:22 <dBsooner> hmm, mines not there either.
Nov 25 17:42:23 <a2ny|work> copypasta error =\
Nov 25 17:42:26 <a2ny|work> mine neither
Nov 25 17:42:37 <cryptk> under /var/usr/bin I have 3 files
Nov 25 17:42:53 <cryptk> diffstat, patch and us.ryanhope,wircd
Nov 25 17:43:09 <cryptk> s/us.ryanhope,wircd/us.ryanhope.wircd/
Nov 25 17:43:10 <infobot> cryptk meant: diffstat, patch and us.ryanhope.wircd
Nov 25 17:43:22 <dBsooner> i think it's broke..
Nov 25 17:43:38 <dBsooner> I don't think setting it to "yes" does anything
Nov 25 17:43:43 <cryptk> haha
Nov 25 17:43:47 <egaudet_work> ls /usr/local/bin
Nov 25 17:43:51 <dBsooner> because my ipkg is still in /var/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice/files/ipkg
Nov 25 17:43:53 <cryptk> so that is the problem...
Nov 25 17:44:19 <egaudet_work> PuffTheMagic, what is /usr/local/bin/wifi-mgf-labtool
Nov 25 17:44:20 <dBsooner> ahh that's wher eit is
Nov 25 17:44:25 <egaudet_work> mfg*
Nov 25 17:44:27 <cryptk> egauget_wory it returns "ipkg              wifi-mfg-labtool"
Nov 25 17:44:29 <dBsooner> . /usr/local/bin
Nov 25 17:44:36 <dBsooner> cryptk: ls /usr/local/bin/ipkg
Nov 25 17:44:41 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet_work: on the pre?
Nov 25 17:44:41 <egaudet_work> cryptk that ipkg there is the wrapper I think
Nov 25 17:44:47 <egaudet_work> yea PuffTheMagic
Nov 25 17:44:58 <dBsooner> egaudet_work: it is
Nov 25 17:45:04 <cryptk> it is there
Nov 25 17:45:21 <dBsooner> dbeames@palm-webos-device:/$ ls -l /usr/local/bin/ipkg
Nov 25 17:45:21 <dBsooner> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 68 Nov 23 15:09 /usr/local/bin/ipkg -> /var/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice/files/ipkg
Nov 25 17:45:22 <egaudet_work> cryptk, that's why you can install apps
Nov 25 17:45:32 <dBsooner> now install from AC
Nov 25 17:45:39 <cryptk> it is a link to /var/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice/files/ipkg
Nov 25 17:45:51 <cryptk> tried, they download but don't install
Nov 25 17:45:51 <dBsooner> cryptk: Yeah, I just said that.. that is why you can install
Nov 25 17:45:57 <dBsooner> what's the error?
Nov 25 17:46:03 <cryptk> doesn't give one
Nov 25 17:46:07 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet_work: a diag tool for the wifi chip it seems
Nov 25 17:46:13 <cryptk> it downloads, doesn't install though
Nov 25 17:46:23 <cryptk> the button briefly changes to "tap to launch"
Nov 25 17:46:26 <dBsooner> so it scrolls across the download and just stops?
Nov 25 17:46:31 <cryptk> then it go's to "Download again for free"
Nov 25 17:46:34 <dBsooner> doesn't say "download again for free"?
Nov 25 17:46:45 <cryptk> it does say it
Nov 25 17:46:59 <cryptk> and the app is nowhere to be found in my launcher
Nov 25 17:47:03 <dBsooner> That's going to be something rwhitby will want to troubleshoot
Nov 25 17:47:25 <egaudet_work> you do have ipkgservice installed right now ?
Nov 25 17:47:42 <dBsooner> egaudet_work: yes.. that's how the link is there
Nov 25 17:47:53 <dBsooner> egaudet_work: and he just told us the version he had installed.
Nov 25 17:47:57 <egaudet_work> Well he said earlier that he removed it and could install
Nov 25 17:48:09 <dBsooner> -11:40:50- (cryptk) 0.9.21
Nov 25 17:48:12 <cryptk> when I remove it, I can install one more app, then app limit
Nov 25 17:48:29 <cryptk> when i install it I can't install anything
Nov 25 17:48:36 <cryptk> it downloads but doesn't install
Nov 25 17:48:45 <egaudet_work> well IT would be your one more app :P
Nov 25 17:48:54 <a2ny|work> lol
Nov 25 17:49:47 <cryptk> yes, but doesn't preware fix the app limit
Nov 25 17:49:51 <cryptk> or it is supposed to
Nov 25 17:50:01 <dBsooner> no, the PMS fixes it
Nov 25 17:50:04 <dBsooner> or is supposed to
Nov 25 17:50:15 <dBsooner> Preware just gives you the ability to turn it off and on
Nov 25 17:50:48 <cryptk> you know what I meant
Nov 25 17:50:56 <dBsooner> Yeah, i was just clarifying.
Nov 25 17:51:06 <cryptk> but it seems like the PMS is NOT fixing it, at least in my case
Nov 25 17:51:12 <dBsooner> don't want oil gettin upset.
Nov 25 17:51:29 <dBsooner> cryptk: yes, it seems that way.. that is why I said this is something rwhitby is going to want to troubleshoot.
Nov 25 17:51:36 <cryptk> yeah
Nov 25 17:51:47 <cryptk> ~seen rwhitby
Nov 25 17:51:50 <infobot> rwhitby is currently on #webos-internals (14h 30m 31s) #oe (14h 30m 31s) #nslu2-linux (14h 30m 31s). Has said a total of 177 messages. Is idling for 8h 3m 5s, last said: 'warren: we'll welcome the expertise'.
Nov 25 17:51:50 <dBsooner> he's sleeping
Nov 25 17:51:58 <cryptk> ahh
Nov 25 17:52:03 <dBsooner> he usually comes around during his breakfast..
Nov 25 17:52:12 <dBsooner> which is in about 2 or 3 hours
Nov 25 17:52:56 <dBsooner> he'll read the logs when he gets here.. and since we have said his name a couple times, he will notice and and say something. :D
Nov 25 17:53:07 <dBsooner> So, if you don't mind, hang out for him. It would be a big help.
Nov 25 17:53:23 <cryptk> np
Nov 25 17:53:57 <dBsooner> just for giggles though, reboot your phone.
Nov 25 17:54:32 <cryptk> ok
Nov 25 17:54:39 <a2ny|work> shutdown -r 0
Nov 25 17:55:00 <dBsooner> hehe.. I always do "now"
Nov 25 17:55:00 <cryptk> I got that much, lol
Nov 25 17:55:06 <cryptk> I do use linux as my main OS
Nov 25 17:55:16 <cryptk> I just do reboot
Nov 25 17:55:25 <thebitguru> Why am I getting a weird style on this one entry menu?
Nov 25 17:55:34 <dBsooner> just cuz I like seeing "system is going down for reboot NOW"
Nov 25 17:55:35 <cryptk> type in reboot as root and... well.. it reboots
Nov 25 17:55:38 <thebitguru> Sorry, didn't realize the clipboard was empty. here is the link http://www.pastethat.com/PUf2l
Nov 25 17:55:59 <cryptk> reboot does shutdown -r now
Nov 25 17:56:24 <dBsooner> yeah, I am stuck in the old days of no linked command for "reboot"
Nov 25 17:56:29 <WillJitsu> if I want to continue using the smartreflex patch at 600 MHz, can I just install the 500 MHz version and change the 500 to 600 in that file?
Nov 25 17:56:31 <cryptk> thebitguru are you making a WOL app?
Nov 25 17:56:40 <thebitguru> yup, almost done :)
Nov 25 17:56:54 <cryptk> nice bitguru, I will rest it for ya if you need someone
Nov 25 17:56:56 <thebitguru> cryptk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ha5ItERgZnE
Nov 25 17:57:54 <thebitguru> any ideas why I am getting that weird styling?
Nov 25 17:57:56 <a2ny|work> thebitguru: css format? px instead of % ?
Nov 25 17:58:16 <cryptk> can you do WOL over WiFi?? I have never tried it
Nov 25 17:58:16 <thebitguru> I am not specifying the style anywhere, I didn't think you could for menus
Nov 25 17:58:21 <a2ny|work> is that the app header or top touch pref ?
Nov 25 17:58:30 <thebitguru> that's the app menu
Nov 25 17:59:13 <thebitguru> cryptk: I read somewhere that some cards do, but haven't looked into that much
Nov 25 18:02:46 <dBsooner> PuffTheMagic: i see some new programs in the repo.. they ready?
Nov 25 18:03:13 <bpadalino> thebitguru: any chance you want to write a service which exposes sockets to javascript so everyone who wants to just use a socket can use that single service ?
Nov 25 18:03:32 <a2ny|work> thebitguru: it looks like css format is being pushed from the app header pill to the menu
Nov 25 18:03:51 <dBsooner> egaudet_work: ping
Nov 25 18:04:13 <whoDat_> hey what is the latest scoop on wifi tethering right now on 1.3.1?
Nov 25 18:04:18 <cryptk_> DAMN YOU AGAIN TIME WARNER!!!
Nov 25 18:04:31 <cryptk_> my interwebs have been really bad today...
Nov 25 18:05:10 <PuffTheMagic> dBsooner: usb "works"
Nov 25 18:05:28 <dBsooner> PuffTheMagic: as in "beta" or "alpha"?
Nov 25 18:05:29 <a2ny|work> thebitguru: can you pastebin you're the code for the menu ?
Nov 25 18:05:38 <thebitguru> bpadalino: I was thinking of working on tethering next (in case if PuffTheMagic needed any help), but I can look into that.
Nov 25 18:05:48 <bpadalino> ah
Nov 25 18:06:01 <thebitguru> a2ny|work: yeah, I think the css is the issue because if I comment all css then it seems ok
Nov 25 18:06:05 <PuffTheMagic> thebitguru: naa its all set for the most part
Nov 25 18:06:07 <thebitguru> a2ny|work: lookign into css right now
Nov 25 18:07:25 <thebitguru> PuffTheMagic: great :)
Nov 25 18:07:27 <cryptk_> thebitguru do you have the css pastebinned somewhere?
Nov 25 18:08:01 <thebitguru> cool, got it working. I started with the css from preware and that had a general .main style that was screwing this up.
Nov 25 18:08:10 <a2ny|work> :D
Nov 25 18:10:40 <a2ny|work> so why isn't update all working yet =\
Nov 25 18:10:47 <a2ny|work> preware
Nov 25 18:10:54 <egaudet_work> dBsooner pong
Nov 25 18:11:09 <dBsooner> egaudet_work: I am thinking of making another category, but need help deciding.
Nov 25 18:11:21 <dBsooner> As you can see in your inbox, there were 6 "Top Bar" add's today
Nov 25 18:11:29 <dBsooner> but they just change font size/color/etc
Nov 25 18:11:37 <dBsooner> Like a Theme for the top bar
Nov 25 18:13:15 <egaudet_work> no
Nov 25 18:13:50 <egaudet_work> Why can't they just create a mojo preference to allow the user to change the font size/color
Nov 25 18:14:02 <egaudet_work> rather than create umpteen patches
Nov 25 18:14:25 <thebitguru> where is the testing repository?
Nov 25 18:17:43 * egaudet_work thinks someone should make a giant top-bar patch that adds one item to device menu... PREFERENCES
Nov 25 18:18:30 <dBsooner> egaudet_work: that's not what I asked.
Nov 25 18:18:50 <egaudet_work> dBsooner, but it is where this is leading
Nov 25 18:18:54 <dBsooner> egaudet_work: You and I both think that.. however, they aren't doing it, so I NEED to accomodate these people.
Nov 25 18:19:18 <dBsooner> egaudet_work: So I should deny these and tell the person, "No.. make a preferences scene"
Nov 25 18:19:26 <egaudet_work> no
Nov 25 18:19:39 <dBsooner> Well.. then back to my original question..
Nov 25 18:19:40 <egaudet_work> but why do you wanta nother category
Nov 25 18:19:44 <egaudet_work> i don't
Nov 25 18:20:03 <dBsooner> I guess Top Bar is ok then
Nov 25 18:20:36 <a2ny|work> isn't that what is is referenced by palm ?
Nov 25 18:20:41 <a2ny|work> top bar scene or something
Nov 25 18:20:43 <dBsooner> PuffTheMagic: You didn't answer my question. By "works", do you mean "alpha" or "beta"?
Nov 25 18:20:57 <egaudet_work> works means works
Nov 25 18:21:01 <PuffTheMagic> dBsooner: the app is alpha, usb works fine
Nov 25 18:21:10 <dBsooner> ok.. just asking.
Nov 25 18:21:20 <egaudet_work> PuffTheMagic, I don't know what I did yesterday but can you tell me how to use it
Nov 25 18:21:29 <egaudet_work> do I have to usbnet enable on my pre?
Nov 25 18:21:50 <PuffTheMagic> then enable the ip_forwarding toggle in the gui
Nov 25 18:22:08 <PuffTheMagic> then on your lappy disables your other interfaces and then run dhcpcd on usb0
Nov 25 18:22:11 <egaudet_work> Does the service modify something on the rootfs?
Nov 25 18:22:18 <PuffTheMagic> it should pull a addy and set your nameserver and default gw
Nov 25 18:22:21 <egaudet_work> that shutting the service down would still keep it working
Nov 25 18:22:29 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet_work: no it wont
Nov 25 18:22:36 <PuffTheMagic> err
Nov 25 18:22:37 <PuffTheMagic> well
Nov 25 18:22:38 <egaudet_work> I usbnet enable
Nov 25 18:22:39 <PuffTheMagic> actually
Nov 25 18:22:44 <PuffTheMagic> it probably would still work
Nov 25 18:22:44 <egaudet_work> and then I ran service and app
Nov 25 18:23:00 <egaudet_work> and I didn't have to do anything on my ubuntu PC, and actually usb0 took over my eth0 wired connection
Nov 25 18:23:07 <jauderho> dBsooner: I don't know if rwhitby talked to you but we decided that it was probably a good idea to pull the powersave patches for 600mhz
Nov 25 18:23:11 <dBsooner> So it won't work in windows yet?
Nov 25 18:23:11 <egaudet_work> My pre doulbed up as a hand warmer
Nov 25 18:23:34 <egaudet_work> I ctrl-c'd the service
Nov 25 18:23:36 <egaudet_work> but it kept going
Nov 25 18:23:39 <dBsooner> jauderho: I got that.. I was just wondering why he bumped the version # to -99 and then bumped the version # of the working dangerous-*-500Mhz to -19
Nov 25 18:23:44 <dBsooner> when the actual .patch didn't change
Nov 25 18:23:53 <jauderho> dunno
Nov 25 18:24:01 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet_work: well yeah cause if u control-c it then the "cleanup" never happens
Nov 25 18:24:08 <dBsooner> jauderho: cool, I'll ask him when he gets here.
Nov 25 18:24:27 <egaudet_work> PuffTheMagic, signal handler in future versions?
Nov 25 18:24:32 <dBsooner> PuffTheMagic: so it takes usbnet? which is not available on windows? :(
Nov 25 18:24:32 <a2ny|work> jauderho: what do you know about smart reflex ?
Nov 25 18:24:41 <PuffTheMagic> dBsooner: usb works on windows
Nov 25 18:24:54 <jauderho> a2ny|work: what do you mean?
Nov 25 18:24:55 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet_work: i didnt know how to do that, but yeah, i would like to handle signals
Nov 25 18:24:57 <dBsooner> Ahh, I was just assuming from reading egaudet_work's issues.
Nov 25 18:24:58 <egaudet_work> PuffTheMagic does the service usbnet enable or is that manually required
Nov 25 18:25:13 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet_work: i will soon enable it with out needing a restart :D
Nov 25 18:25:57 <a2ny|work> jauderho: just wondering, as smartreflex is bypassed by the kernel
Nov 25 18:26:09 <egaudet_work> that would be awesome
Nov 25 18:26:16 <a2ny|work> lm-sensors & twl4030 don't get along
Nov 25 18:26:31 <a2ny|work> so there is no way to monitor voltage to core/l3
Nov 25 18:26:51 <egaudet_work> lm-sensors is just going to use the sysfs
Nov 25 18:26:59 <jauderho> the smartreflex implementation from what I can tell is incomplete and not 100% correct.
Nov 25 18:27:16 <egaudet_work> in /sys/class/i2c-adapter or whatever
Nov 25 18:27:47 <jauderho> from what I have been able to find, TI made a reference impl but did not quite complete it. or at least the version in the Pre is not quite complete.
Nov 25 18:28:13 <jauderho> it's probably also part of the reason why cpu-scaling+smartreflex = nuclear.
Nov 25 18:28:40 <a2ny|work> jauderho: here is the reason
Nov 25 18:28:48 <a2ny|work> root@webos / # cat boot/config-2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 | grep SR
Nov 25 18:29:01 <a2ny|work> CONFIG_OMAP_VOLT_SR_BYPASS=y
Nov 25 18:29:06 <a2ny|work> bypassed.
Nov 25 18:29:13 <a2ny|work> for smart reflex to work...
Nov 25 18:29:28 <a2ny|work> - # CONFIG_OMAP_VOLT_SR is not set
Nov 25 18:29:37 <a2ny|work> + CONFIG_OMAP_VOLT_SR=y
Nov 25 18:29:55 <jauderho> you could always try to recompile the kernel with that set
Nov 25 18:30:16 <whoDat_> perl does not come as part of the optware install?
Nov 25 18:30:16 <a2ny|work> exactly
Nov 25 18:30:19 <jauderho> to see if that works. I just have not checked it out.
Nov 25 18:30:28 <jauderho> go for it!
Nov 25 18:30:30 <bpadalino> perl is huge
Nov 25 18:30:49 <sampson> if you want to fill up your entire app storage partition go for perl
Nov 25 18:30:56 <whoDat_> bp:i have a perl script i want to run on the phone
Nov 25 18:31:10 <a2ny|work> you know how most of the 600mhz hang on start up?
Nov 25 18:31:11 <jauderho> btw do not try to set CONFIG_PREEMPT. geist mentioned that some apps were not preempt safe (at this time)
Nov 25 18:32:01 <a2ny|work> I am guessing they are hanging because of running 600mhz @ 550mhz vcore voltage
Nov 25 18:32:05 <whoDat_> sampson: its just a tiny little perl script i want to run... for tzo dynamic dns.. lol
Nov 25 18:32:16 <sampson> so port it to bash
Nov 25 18:32:24 <jauderho> a2ny|work: prob because their phones can't handle it. i mean the ideal way is to try it at the cmd line first.
Nov 25 18:32:35 <sampson> it isn't worth the effort to do perl due to all the modules you can add in it would eat up your app partition
Nov 25 18:33:00 <a2ny|work> most phones can handle the 600
Nov 25 18:33:12 <a2ny|work> but during boot remember how its hops into 550
Nov 25 18:34:18 <a2ny|work> if it runs the script before it hops into 550 the vcore may be lower than needed
Nov 25 18:34:53 <a2ny|work> I need to collect all this data in one spot, im sick of saying it over and over again lol
Nov 25 18:35:16 <jauderho> I have not seen where it does that. mostly because I have not looked
Nov 25 18:35:16 <jauderho> put it on the wiki
Nov 25 18:35:20 <jauderho> even if it's just a brain dump
Nov 25 18:35:22 <WillJitsu> what is a normal cpu utilization percentage on the Pre with all apps closed? mine keeps fluctuating between 15-20%
Nov 25 18:35:51 <jauderho> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Patch_webOS_CPU_Frequency_or_Voltage_Scaling
Nov 25 18:37:12 <WillJitsu> jauderho: was that to me?
Nov 25 18:37:18 <a2ny|work> me
Nov 25 18:37:55 <a2ny|work> WillJitsu: root@webos / # uptime
Nov 25 18:37:56 <a2ny|work>  10:37:36 up 13:15,  3 users,  load average: 0.06, 0.02, 0.00
Nov 25 18:38:36 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet_work: got a link for catching signals?
Nov 25 18:38:58 <en0x> ~seen atlanta
Nov 25 18:39:00 <infobot> atlanta <i=c6167a04@gateway/web/freenode/x-lsvdtokdgtaslqps> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 6d 15m 4s ago, saying: 'go for it'.
Nov 25 18:39:07 <en0x> hmm
Nov 25 18:44:30 <jauderho> running iostat -xk 5 on the pre shows some interesting info
Nov 25 18:45:44 <warren> hmm, is there a way to force wIRC to use my EVDO if available even if I'm connected to wifi?  Thus walking out of range wont break my connection.
Nov 25 18:45:52 <dBsooner> yes
Nov 25 18:45:55 <dBsooner> look in options
Nov 25 18:46:11 <dBsooner> "preferred connectioN"
Nov 25 18:46:28 <Wahots> iirc evdo gets disabled by webos when wifi is connected
Nov 25 18:46:40 <warren> Wahots: you sure?
Nov 25 18:46:46 <dBsooner> i don't think so...
Nov 25 18:46:52 <jauderho> ~seen geist
Nov 25 18:46:53 <infobot> geist is currently on #webos-internals (13h 32m 34s). Has said a total of 28 messages. Is idling for 9h 23m 57s, last said: 'so if you put your thing before hidd starts you can do your decision there'.
Nov 25 18:47:17 <Wahots> test it and find out :P
Nov 25 18:47:49 <egaudet_work> PuffTheMagic, you can just do signal(SIGTERM, sighandler) as the simplest case
Nov 25 18:48:13 <dBsooner> Wahots: I can connecto my pre's SSH over WiFi AND PPP0 right now..
Nov 25 18:48:16 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet_work: where? begining of main or osmething?
Nov 25 18:48:16 <egaudet_work> if you need to do more with signals sigaction is better/more powerful
Nov 25 18:48:22 <dBsooner> and for giggles....
Nov 25 18:48:26 <egaudet_work> PuffTheMagic, yea
Nov 25 18:48:28 <egaudet_work> early on in main
Nov 25 18:48:45 <egaudet_work> or at least before doing anything that will need to be cleaned up
Nov 25 18:48:49 <dBsooner> herre'sssssss johnny!!!....
Nov 25 18:49:05 <Wahots> dBsooner: does the "Ev" show up?
Nov 25 18:49:05 <dBsooner> dBsooner-Pre is connected here over ppp0..
Nov 25 18:49:19 <dBsooner> Uhh.. yeah..
Nov 25 18:49:20 <egaudet_work> although I think SIGINT is sent by ctrl-c and not SIGTERM
Nov 25 18:49:29 <dBsooner> -12:48:28- -NickServ- dBsooner-Pre!n=dBsooner@99-202-107-223.pools.spcsdns.net has just authenticated as you (dBsooner)
Nov 25 18:49:30 <egaudet_work> SIGTERM sent by kill
Nov 25 18:49:33 <Mousey> anyone know where i can get the "safe" flashlight LED service ipk?
Nov 25 18:49:45 <dBsooner> and I am still connected through SSH over wifi
Nov 25 18:50:17 <Abyssul> Good morning
Nov 25 18:50:20 <Wahots> so there must be something causing both connections to activate but you can only have one default route to the internet
Nov 25 18:50:57 <dBsooner> Wahots: nope, I got two
Nov 25 18:51:10 <Wahots> only one will work
Nov 25 18:51:12 <dBsooner> default 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 2 0 0 eth0
Nov 25 18:51:12 <dBsooner> default 68.28.185.85 0.0.0.0 UG 30 0 0 ppp0
Nov 25 18:51:14 <a2ny|work> does anyone know how to get info from the /sys/class for vcore ?
Nov 25 18:51:39 <a2ny|work> I found the correct i2c-adapter
Nov 25 18:51:43 <dBsooner> wIRC attaches to ppp0
Nov 25 18:51:56 <dBsooner> so it is forced to use that connector even though it's route metric is listed lower
Nov 25 18:52:06 <dBsooner> all other data will still use the routing table
Nov 25 18:52:13 <Wahots> ya
Nov 25 18:52:17 <dBsooner> so all other data will flow over the eth0 econnection
Nov 25 18:52:18 <jauderho> a2ny|work: ask geist?
Nov 25 18:52:21 <dBsooner> but wIRC attaches to ppp0
Nov 25 18:52:26 <dBsooner> so all it's data flows over ppp0
Nov 25 18:52:27 <Wahots> interesting
Nov 25 18:52:37 <Abyssul> Dang... no Precorder update...
Nov 25 18:52:41 <Wahots> didn't realize ppp0 stays available
Nov 25 18:52:49 <dBsooner> why wouldn't it?
Nov 25 18:53:04 <Wahots> figured webos turns it off
Nov 25 18:53:11 <jauderho> wahots: you can go to airplane mode, then turn wifi on.
Nov 25 18:53:13 <dBsooner> what's really surprising is how wifi (eth0) turns off when device goes dorment.
Nov 25 18:53:16 <jauderho> then evdo stays off
Nov 25 18:53:27 <egaudet_work> PuffTheMagic, make sure you to exit in your sig handler.  Catching SIGINT means you have to handle the killing/exiting
Nov 25 18:53:53 <PuffTheMagic> k
Nov 25 18:53:56 <dBsooner> bla, just SIGKILL everything
Nov 25 18:54:02 <Wahots> of course all the above can be changed :)
Nov 25 18:54:42 <egaudet_work> and if you want to protect against other scripts calling you I think you can/should do a kill(getpid(), SIGINT) to tell everyone else the process exited on sigint
Nov 25 18:54:53 <cryptk_> is there a way to make it take longer before the wifi turns off from inactivity? that is something that has always bugged me...
Nov 25 18:55:31 <cryptk_> especially when reading on precentral, by the time I am done reading an article, the wifi is off, then I have to wait for 3-4 seconds for it to reconnect when i want to go to a different article
Nov 25 18:55:53 <dBsooner> really?
Nov 25 18:55:59 <dBsooner> Mine stays connected....
Nov 25 18:55:59 <Wahots> cryptk: it should not turn off while the screen is still on
Nov 25 18:56:08 <dBsooner> if the screen is on, it should stay active.
Nov 25 18:56:09 <cryptk> I know it is weird...
Nov 25 18:56:21 <dBsooner> I think you's got a broke PRE
Nov 25 18:56:23 <egaudet_work> I'll bbl
Nov 25 18:56:24 <dBsooner> first the ipkg errors
Nov 25 18:56:29 <cryptk> I will read an article, then when I go to return to the main page, it says unable to connect...
Nov 25 18:56:31 <dBsooner> now the wifi turning off
Nov 25 18:56:37 <cryptk> then if I wait 3-4 seconds and try again it works fine
Nov 25 18:56:41 <Abyssul> I wonder how setting your Network Settings to Sprint Only improves battery life over Automatic...
Nov 25 18:57:10 <cryptk> this si on the precentral mobile site
Nov 25 18:57:26 <dBsooner> wtf is up with Precentral's apps in their feed?
Nov 25 18:57:32 <dBsooner> I update my apps like 5 times a day
Nov 25 18:57:41 <Wahots> I always keep mine on sprint only
Nov 25 18:57:59 <dBsooner> and every now and then I get an "UPDATE AVAILABLE" from "OLDER"... Like WootON! shows to be updateable.. but last version was on 8/16/09
Nov 25 18:58:14 <dBsooner> I wonder if the date is being put into their xml wrong
Nov 25 18:58:22 <dBsooner> I bet it is!
Nov 25 18:58:22 <dBsooner> i bet thats it
Nov 25 18:58:29 <dBsooner> rwhitby.. ^^
Nov 25 18:58:31 <dBsooner> rwhitby.. ^^
Nov 25 18:58:35 <Abyssul> Wahots, you don't get the benefit of roaming though (i think)
Nov 25 18:58:54 <Wahots> I have no reason to roam
Nov 25 19:00:31 <Wahots> if I'm out of coverage and really need to make a call, then I'll turn it on. but I can't remember the last time I was out of coverage
Nov 25 19:01:17 <Abyssul> Im just wondering where these people are getting good battery life. I used to get like 3% per hour while idle on my first Pre, but now I get like 8%...
Nov 25 19:02:12 <warren> idle means different things
Nov 25 19:02:13 <Wahots> they may not use their phones as much for data services
Nov 25 19:02:46 <Wahots> from what I remember, the pcs radio uses a lot of power
Nov 25 19:03:05 <Abyssul> Data uses a crapload of power
Nov 25 19:03:17 <Abyssul> If you turn off data, I could run my Pre for 3 days
Nov 25 19:06:42 <jauderho> if you turn off everything including the pre, it'll run forever =)
Nov 25 19:06:49 <Abyssul> Yea I know
Nov 25 19:07:01 <jauderho> and hack proof too!!
Nov 25 19:07:19 <Abyssul> How fast does the Pre boot now? Isn't it like 1:40?
Nov 25 19:07:37 <en0x> ya
Nov 25 19:07:48 <Abyssul> Used to be like 3 mins or more
Nov 25 19:07:54 <en0x> 2.5
Nov 25 19:08:06 <Abyssul> Glad to see it's improving
Nov 25 19:08:09 <Flashpass-work> aw preware telling me to uninstall smartreflex 600mhz :(
Nov 25 19:08:14 <a2ny|work> lol
Nov 25 19:08:14 <a2ny|work> good :D
Nov 25 19:08:39 <Abyssul> In the next 6 months, we are gonna get "my Pre suddenly doesn't work"
Nov 25 19:08:55 <a2ny|work> cat is showing me hex values how do I format =\
Nov 25 19:08:57 <Flashpass-work> so should I go for the 500mhz cpu scaling or smartreflex? I guess which one causes the least issues?
Nov 25 19:09:05 <a2ny|work> none of them
Nov 25 19:09:06 <Abyssul> Smartreflex is more stable
Nov 25 19:09:14 <Abyssul> cpu scaling is more effective but glitchy
Nov 25 19:09:15 <a2ny|work> because it doesn't do much
Nov 25 19:09:26 <Abyssul> YMMV a2ny|work
Nov 25 19:09:31 <Flashpass-work> hmm, how effective is it?
Nov 25 19:09:40 <Abyssul> It all depends on a person by person basis
Nov 25 19:09:44 <Abyssul> http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/25/palm-and-sprint-issue-statement-acknowledging-profile-backup-iss/
Nov 25 19:09:58 <a2ny|work> Abyssul: all we have are opinions
Nov 25 19:10:08 <a2ny|work> I am writing up a doc on what is doing what
Nov 25 19:10:48 <Flashpass-work> a2ny|home: so you took some battery data and it shows that there isn't much savings?
Nov 25 19:11:04 <a2ny|work> I am just stuck on trying to read vcore from hex values right now sysfs is not on the pre, and lm-senesors doesn't work
Nov 25 19:11:40 <a2ny|work> Flashpass-work: yesterday comparing standby states from ver 1.1.0 to 1.3.1 there was a -1mA difference
Nov 25 19:11:54 <a2ny|work> 1.1.0 was stock
Nov 25 19:12:02 <a2ny|work> 1.3.1 was on smart reflex
Nov 25 19:12:17 <Abyssul> You flashed your Pre to 1.1.0?
Nov 25 19:12:30 <a2ny|work> this was my data from back in july
Nov 25 19:12:35 <Abyssul> Oh
Nov 25 19:12:39 <a2ny|work> see actual battery percent
Nov 25 19:12:43 <Abyssul> I wonder if there is a 1.1.0 doctor lieing around...
Nov 25 19:12:47 <a2ny|work> lol
Nov 25 19:13:52 <Abyssul> We need animated gif support... I want my emoticons to animate!
Nov 25 19:15:09 <Flashpass-work> that would be cool
Nov 25 19:15:22 <a2ny|work> if you replace gifs they won't ani ?
Nov 25 19:15:54 <ird> pre doesn't support gifs I don't think.
Nov 25 19:15:59 <jauderho> a2ny|work: ask chuqui I bet he could get you a link to a 1.1.0 doctor
Nov 25 19:16:04 <Abyssul> We can't even view animated gifs in the photo app
Nov 25 19:16:33 <a2ny|work> =\
Nov 25 19:17:27 <chuqui> I actually don't have one to give you a link to.... or I would.
Nov 25 19:17:41 <jauderho> so sad =)
Nov 25 19:18:37 <jauderho> chuqui: are there any plans to archive this somewhere? maybe off of opensource.palm.com? it would be useful to have a list of the webdoctors avail, along with the different revs of the sdks (public) of course.
Nov 25 19:18:38 <Abyssul> Did anyone find a method to record more than 2 minutes with the Precorder app?
Nov 25 19:19:40 <a2ny|work> chuqui: I need help reading vcore, can you help ?
Nov 25 19:19:47 <nt4cats> Abyssul: > 2 minutes?  That is a lot of time taking video of yourself in the bathroom mirror ... in a thong ...
Nov 25 19:20:03 <Abyssul> I have to strut my stuff :)
Nov 25 19:20:23 <chuqui> I don't know what the legal issues with that would be, Jauder. send me an email to remind me, and I can ask and see what the policy is.
Nov 25 19:21:00 <Flashpass-work> Hm, I have the "Add roam Control to Prefs" patch installed, and for some reason its not showing up in the phone's preferences.  I'm running 1.3.1...ideas?
Nov 25 19:21:13 <jauderho> chuqui: sure. chuq@palm right?
Nov 25 19:21:13 <nt4cats> flashpass: did you reset luna?
Nov 25 19:21:17 <latta> anyone figure out how to launch precorder via the terminal?
Nov 25 19:21:20 <en0x> Flashpass-work, i had same thing
Nov 25 19:21:24 <en0x> report it to the maintainer
Nov 25 19:21:25 <en0x> ;P
Nov 25 19:21:25 <Flashpass-work> nt4cats: yup
Nov 25 19:21:32 <Flashpass-work> en0x: darn :(
Nov 25 19:22:18 <Abyssul> hmmm... 18 pages on the Precorder app, anyone actually read it all?
Nov 25 19:22:28 <Flashpass-work> I dont know who 'w5mw' is lol
Nov 25 19:23:19 <nt4cats> Ack -- I have no "roam only" available in preferences either even though I have the patch.  I have the "roam only toggle" app installed, too -- it works.
Nov 25 19:23:36 <en0x> Abyssul, i did
Nov 25 19:23:36 <en0x> :D
Nov 25 19:24:13 <Flashpass-work> nt4cats: so temporary solution is roam only app?
Nov 25 19:24:17 <jauderho> latta: here's the command to launch the camera. you can modify it to point to the precorder app instead. "luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.applicationManager/launch {\"id\":\"com.palm.app.camera\"}"
Nov 25 19:24:24 <jauderho> remove first and last "
Nov 25 19:25:47 <imn6zcx> cryptk, were you the one that hellped me yesterday with the GNU Patch?
Nov 25 19:25:49 <nt4cats> flashpass-work: at one time the roam only app required that the "add roam control to prefs" patch was in place ... so I'm not sure if this is simply no longer required, or if the 'back end' parts of the patch are working but the UI parts of the patch are not ...
Nov 25 19:26:00 <imn6zcx> ooops helped
Nov 25 19:26:08 <egaudet_wirc> phone prefs
Nov 25 19:26:32 <nt4cats> s/prefs/phone prefs/
Nov 25 19:26:33 <infobot> nt4cats meant: flashpass-work: at one time the roam only app required that the "add roam control to phone prefs" patch was in place ... so I'm not sure if this is simply no longer required, or if the 'back end' parts of the patch are working but the UI parts of the patc...
Nov 25 19:26:37 <Flashpass-work> nt4cats: oh interesting, i've previously installed only the patch and it worked fine
Nov 25 19:27:42 <nt4cats> I've had (and used) the patch since it was available, but I don't go into prefs anymore to access it, I just use the "roam only toggle" app.
Nov 25 19:27:43 <imn6zcx> ok, if anyone has installed that patch, have you had problems with your pre not shutting off or rebooting?
Nov 25 19:28:55 <Flashpass-work> nt4cats: reading the description, it seems the patch is recommended only so that it properly reflects whther you are in a roaming state or not, but shoudl work find without it
Nov 25 19:29:12 <imn6zcx> since it did the reboot, on it's own, I can't reboot. only take battery out and then back in
Nov 25 19:29:48 <nt4cats> I think an early version of the app required the patch, or maybe I'm imagining that.
Nov 25 19:30:12 <Flashpass-work> dunno
Nov 25 19:30:22 <imn6zcx> ok, I guess nobody else has that problem
Nov 25 19:30:59 <Flashpass-work> general question: whats the difference between the 'Ev' symbol showing and it being lit or not lit?
Nov 25 19:31:18 <nt4cats> flashpass: if the letters are hollow there is no data activity
Nov 25 19:31:26 <Flashpass-work> oooh
Nov 25 19:31:34 <nt4cats> flashpass: .. and if the letters are filled in there is data activity going on
Nov 25 19:31:41 <en0x> lol
Nov 25 19:31:54 <Flashpass-work> okay, but if you see Ev it does mean you are in a evdo zone right?
Nov 25 19:31:54 <en0x> im so tired
Nov 25 19:31:59 <en0x> Flashpass-work, right
Nov 25 19:32:06 <Flashpass-work> nice, thanks
Nov 25 19:32:07 <nt4cats> flashpass: the symbol will change between "Ev" and "1x" depending on whether your're in an EVDO service area or a 1cRTT service area
Nov 25 19:32:12 <nt4cats> s/1cRTT/1xRtt
Nov 25 19:32:32 <nt4cats> flashpass: the symbol will change between "Ev" and "1x" depending on whether your're in an EVDO service area or a 1xRTT service area
Nov 25 19:32:36 <Flashpass-work> yeah, got it - i was assuming not lit meant not available
Nov 25 19:33:08 <nt4cats> ... and I learned on this IRC channel that "EVDO" is more accurately called "1xEVDO" ...
Nov 25 19:33:23 <Flashpass-work> why's that?
Nov 25 19:33:34 <nt4cats> Flashpass: because that's what someone named it :)
Nov 25 19:33:49 <nt4cats> Flashpass: 1xEVDO was the follow-on technology to 1xRTT
Nov 25 19:34:00 <Flashpass-work> ah makes sense
Nov 25 19:35:13 <xorg> df
Nov 25 19:35:19 <nt4cats> Flashpass: .. but the abbreviation "1x" was associated with 1xRTT, so EVDO is almost always referred to without it ...
Nov 25 19:35:28 <nt4cats> http://web.archive.org/web/20061104082805/http://www.qualcomm.com/technology/1xev-do.html
Nov 25 19:35:46 <nt4cats> (you don't really have to open that URL, just notice that it ends in "1xev-do.html"
Nov 25 19:36:20 <en0x> i wonder when sprint will be switching to gsm
Nov 25 19:36:33 <a2ny|work> anyone use hexcurse ?
Nov 25 19:36:41 <nt4cats> en0x: that'd be crazy
Nov 25 19:36:59 <nt4cats> en0x: that's like saying you wonder when Ford will switch to making boats
Nov 25 19:37:20 <a2ny|work> glock made curtain rods, now they make guns xD
Nov 25 19:37:58 <nt4cats> en0x: Sprint *is* their network, and they have a giant IS-95 CDMA/cdma2000 network.
Nov 25 19:38:04 <mikewx> sprint's not switching to gsm, verizon sorta is though
Nov 25 19:38:32 <nt4cats> mikewx: what makes you say that -- because verizon is using a 4g data technology from the GSM world?
Nov 25 19:38:37 <Flashpass-work> mikewx: why do you say that?
Nov 25 19:38:37 <bpadalino> LTE is the future .. wimax is pretty terrible
Nov 25 19:38:38 <en0x> yea but using worldwide phones would be good
Nov 25 19:38:38 <en0x> not cdma
Nov 25 19:38:48 <en0x> and u get cdma u go to europe and it wont work
Nov 25 19:38:53 <en0x> screw that
Nov 25 19:38:54 <en0x> :P
Nov 25 19:38:57 <mikewx> LTE is a superset of GSM technology
Nov 25 19:39:30 <Mousey> LTE is a dead end, industry propped up sham. WiMAX, ftw!
Nov 25 19:39:32 <mikewx> sprint is likely to be the only wimax carrier, at least in the us and probably world as well
Nov 25 19:39:41 <Mousey> </US$0.02>
Nov 25 19:39:50 <Mousey> what about clearwire?
Nov 25 19:39:55 <mikewx> doesn't matter if it's technically superior
Nov 25 19:40:07 <nt4cats> mikewx: there is a wimax network in AussieLand, I remember reading about it
Nov 25 19:40:13 <mikewx> clearwire? a startup with no coverage still beating rocks (rather well i'll admit) for venture funding?
Nov 25 19:40:27 <Mousey> the carriers sure would love everybody to have such a fatalist opinion about WiMAX.. which is still an open standard
Nov 25 19:40:32 <nt4cats> Mousey: clearwire is part-owned by Sprint
Nov 25 19:40:32 <mikewx> i think i'll ignore them for a few more years till someone buys them
Nov 25 19:40:42 <Mousey> nt4cats: oh yah. that's true
Nov 25 19:40:53 <nt4cats> Mousey/mikewx: I believe that Sprint's WiMax network == ClearWire's WiMax network
Nov 25 19:40:53 <bpadalino> mousey, wow - you like wimax over lte? interesting!
Nov 25 19:41:14 <warren> wimax != 4G
Nov 25 19:41:19 <Mousey> i like open standards over industry backed ones yes.. more room for innovation when it's not price-fixed by a cabal of companies
Nov 25 19:41:21 <warren> which is pretty confusing
Nov 25 19:41:27 <mikewx> nt4cats: possibly, i've been ignoreing clearwire for above reasons :)
Nov 25 19:41:33 <mikewx> but pretty much the whole world is going to lte
Nov 25 19:41:43 <Mousey> that's the Party Line(tm) yes
Nov 25 19:41:47 <warren> clearwire is pretty big in Hawaii.  folks there don't travel out of state often.
Nov 25 19:42:03 <Mousey> big in washington too
Nov 25 19:42:14 <mikewx> and i don't care how nice sprint has been to palm in the past, eventually they'll run out of customers and palm will start with world-standard phones before sprint phones
Nov 25 19:42:25 <bpadalino> mousey, so because wimax is an ieee standard, you think it's different than LTE ?
Nov 25 19:42:32 <Mousey> I'd like to see WebOS grow out of Palm-only hardware
Nov 25 19:42:39 <mikewx> omg no
Nov 25 19:42:43 <warren> omg no
Nov 25 19:42:43 <mikewx> they destroyed palmos
Nov 25 19:42:54 <mikewx> been there done that bought the tshirt
Nov 25 19:42:59 <mikewx> still have a few backpacks and prototypes
Nov 25 19:43:04 <Mousey> bpadalino: i think it's easier for small(er) companies (like clearwire) to play in the field because it's a published standard they don't have to pay anyone to implement
Nov 25 19:43:34 <bpadalino> you need to pay royalties even if it is an ieee standard
Nov 25 19:43:55 <Mousey> THATS TRUE! i forgot about that.. that's the same thing cisco did with their IEEE standard
Nov 25 19:44:01 <Mousey> corruption much
Nov 25 19:44:04 <nt4cats> One of the big problems for software vendors targeting Android is all of the different handsets and vendors they need to support -- having a tighter coupling between the OS and the hardware is not a bad thing
Nov 25 19:44:16 <Mousey> aah, the old Apple argument
Nov 25 19:44:36 <mikewx> i watched first person as the opening of palmos to multiple manufacturers destroyed palm
Nov 25 19:44:37 <nt4cats> Mousey: I didn't say having an exclusionary and predatory tie-in between OS and hardware ...
Nov 25 19:44:42 <Mousey> i disagree. WebOS is open enough that it's far more flexible, and easier to implement across platforms than android is
Nov 25 19:44:45 <mikewx> i'd not like to repeat that
Nov 25 19:45:12 <Mousey> nt4cats: but you did say tighter coupling between os and hardware.. that's Applism
Nov 25 19:45:33 <nt4cats> tighter, yes.  exlusionary and predatory, no
Nov 25 19:45:38 <a2ny|work> can I diff whole folders and contents ?
Nov 25 19:45:51 <nt4cats> a2ny: yes with diff
Nov 25 19:45:53 <Mousey> exclusionary in the sense that other hardware mfgs can't play along
Nov 25 19:45:55 <mikewx> palm's done a really nice job keepign webos both open and well intergrated to their hardware
Nov 25 19:46:32 <a2ny|work> I know how to diff files
Nov 25 19:46:39 <Mousey> a2ny|home: for loop?
Nov 25 19:46:41 <a2ny|work> but not multi files inside folders
Nov 25 19:46:47 <nt4cats> mikewx: I agree -- they've balanced the two quite well.  Not perfectly (no one can be perfect) ... but quite well
Nov 25 19:46:58 <mikewx> indeed
Nov 25 19:48:33 <nt4cats> a2ny: from the diff man page "If both from-file and to-file are directories, diff compares corresponding files in both directories, in alphabetical order ..."
Nov 25 19:48:37 <a2ny|work> nvm got it
Nov 25 19:48:58 <a2ny|work> nt4cats: thanks, I just need to trim the files a little bit and then compare
Nov 25 19:49:19 <bpadalino> so has anyone looked at the "triton" executable on 1.3.1 ? or looked at the palm/facebook photos service that is written in javascript ?
Nov 25 19:49:26 <Abyssul> I wish there was a option to turn on and off the iphone spoof
Nov 25 19:49:58 <tmzt> for usb?
Nov 25 19:49:59 <tmzt> why?
Nov 25 19:50:02 <nt4cats> Abyssul: I 10000% agree
Nov 25 19:50:08 <Abyssul> which apparently doesnt work with 1.3.1....
Nov 25 19:50:22 <tmzt> mikewx: open, how?
Nov 25 19:50:40 <nt4cats> Abyssul: there are a small handful of sites that I might like to use it for -- but for all of the rest of my surfing I want my destination to record my hits as a Pre, not an iPhone.
Nov 25 19:50:51 <tmzt> ah, that
Nov 25 19:51:11 <en0x> if everyone would use iphone spoof then all sites will report as iphone grow in mobile market
Nov 25 19:51:21 <nt4cats> en0x: exactly
Nov 25 19:51:24 <Abyssul> Exactly why I want the option to turn it on and off like in hte preferences
Nov 25 19:51:37 <nt4cats> Abyssul: get coding!
Nov 25 19:51:39 <en0x> anyway u need to encurage web developers to design websites for webos too
Nov 25 19:51:44 <tmzt> but the analytics won't care anyway
Nov 25 19:51:53 <tmzt> and it will always read the webkit wvga as iPhone
Nov 25 19:52:29 <nt4cats> tmzt: I noticed a BIG difference in the ads I was served when I had the iPhone spoof in place -- I got a lot of "buy X for your iPhone" that I don't get now
Nov 25 19:52:41 <Abyssul> use the ad blocker ?
Nov 25 19:53:11 <nt4cats> Now I still get ads, but they're not iPhone-targeted ads
Nov 25 19:54:12 <nt4cats> ... so this tells me that at some level there is an "is an iphone / not an iphone" decision getting flipped somewhere -- and I can only assume that categorization is the same for ad-targeting and for traffic measurement
Nov 25 19:54:35 <Abyssul> Indeed
Nov 25 19:55:33 <mikewx> tmzt: the fact that this channe exists and is sucessful is evidence of how open WebOS is
Nov 25 19:59:27 <Abyssul> people need to learn how to create mobile sites...
Nov 25 19:59:41 <Abyssul> Im browsing a few mobile sites and they dont even render the width properly
Nov 25 20:00:34 <zsoc_wirc> i'm holding 5 pres
Nov 25 20:01:03 <zsoc_wirc> and I just realized they get shipped from a place in china on 'Castle Peak Road'
Nov 25 20:01:46 <bpadalino> lots of castles on castle peak road
Nov 25 20:03:22 <a2ny|work> root@castle
Nov 25 20:03:59 <a2ny|work> I hate putty.
Nov 25 20:04:14 <nt4cats> zsoc: you don't need 5.  I'll give you my FedEx shipper's account number and you can send one or two of those to me.
Nov 25 20:04:26 <mikewx> it's not root@castle anymore in 1.3, it's like root@too-damn-long-name-that-fills-my-screen
Nov 25 20:04:44 <a2ny|work> mikewx: palm-webos-device
Nov 25 20:04:50 <mikewx> sounds right :)
Nov 25 20:04:52 <a2ny|work> ;)
Nov 25 20:04:53 <a2ny|work> change it
Nov 25 20:05:04 <a2ny|work> root@webos here :D
Nov 25 20:05:53 <mikewx> my device is still screwed up from teh doctor. it's telling me i have no new messages in the last -1 days. So it's pshychic and knows i won't be getting any new email tomorrow...
Nov 25 20:05:55 <tmzt> bpadalino: get there often?
Nov 25 20:06:55 <nt4cats> mikewx: given that it is your means of getting mail, and it *knows* it won't be working, it can say with absolute certainty that you have no new messages in the last -1 days.
Nov 25 20:07:11 <mikewx> heh
Nov 25 20:07:27 <zsoc_wirc> mikewx: that's a 1.3.1 issue
Nov 25 20:08:21 <bpadalino> tmzt, not often at all - never in fact
Nov 25 20:08:31 <tmzt> so you just know?
Nov 25 20:08:42 <bpadalino> rumors on the internets :)
Nov 25 20:15:02 <twosslow> (/nick Sslow)
Nov 25 20:16:17 <nt4cats> bpadalino: are the internets near the interwebs?
Nov 25 20:16:58 <bpadalino> only separated by a couple of tubes
Nov 25 20:17:21 <rea> is there any patch that maps the center button?
Nov 25 20:19:40 <twosslow> anybody got any idea what patch might be causing me to not be able to take screenshots?
Nov 25 20:19:56 <nt4cats> twoslow: haven't heard of or seen that one myself
Nov 25 20:20:15 * nt4cats just verified that the Pre camera is okay by taking a photo of my working environment ....
Nov 25 20:20:16 <bpadalino> rea, no - the center button is controlled by the hidd and unmapple currently i think
Nov 25 20:20:24 <nt4cats> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30808441&l=bb0d7d505f&id=1369434606
Nov 25 20:20:35 <twosslow> started after dr to 1.3.1
Nov 25 20:32:39 <mikewx> ah cool good to know that's not a bug related to my corrupt restore
Nov 25 20:35:40 <a2ny|work> I hate inconclusive data
Nov 25 20:35:56 <nt4cats> a2ny: change the data until it supports the conclusion you want
Nov 25 20:36:24 <mikewx> he's not a climatoligist, he's a coder
Nov 25 20:36:24 <a2ny|work> I was reading outputs from the sys bus
Nov 25 20:36:38 <a2ny|work> trying to find vcore
Nov 25 20:37:10 <a2ny|work> so much changed when I changed vcore, the data is useless
Nov 25 20:38:33 <a2ny|work> rm -rf ~/data
Nov 25 20:39:03 <a2ny|work> if anyone knows how to read vcore from bus output, please feel free to help lol
Nov 25 20:39:08 <nt4cats> cat >> ~/data << /dev/urandom
Nov 25 20:39:22 <nt4cats> wow, that's awesome syntax on my part
Nov 25 20:40:10 <a2ny|work> lol
Nov 25 20:40:38 <a2ny|work> nt4cats ftw
Nov 25 20:40:48 <zsoc_wirc> heh
Nov 25 20:41:09 <zsoc_wirc> my_sanity > /dev/
Nov 25 20:41:12 <zsoc_wirc> null
Nov 25 20:43:21 <zsoc_wirc> I want to write a shell script that does metric conversion.
Nov 25 20:43:31 <zsoc_wirc> because it'll have a standard out
Nov 25 20:43:51 <zsoc_wirc> (ba dum DA!)
Nov 25 20:44:13 <a2ny|work> zsoc_wirc: really? lol
Nov 25 20:45:03 <a2ny|work> bbiab lunch
Nov 25 20:49:40 <jauderho> time for pho. bbl
Nov 25 20:53:12 <cryptk-pre> I juat looked at some javascript I wrote last night...
Nov 25 20:53:31 <cryptk-pre> ...friends... don't let friends code on drugs...
Nov 25 20:56:22 <preston_wirc> does anyone from webos-internals have an idea why your website makes my pre crash?
Nov 25 20:58:21 <en0x> preston_wirc, how many times u will ask this question today?
Nov 25 20:58:25 <zsoc_wirc> I don't think it's 'our websites' fault
Nov 25 20:58:42 <zsoc_wirc> try deleting your cookies
Nov 25 20:58:47 <en0x> mmmmmm
Nov 25 20:58:52 <en0x> cookies!
Nov 25 20:59:52 <preston_wirc> this is only the second and there was a more important conversation going on, so I just dropped it.
Nov 25 20:59:58 <preston_wirc> nevermind though.
Nov 25 21:05:22 <rwhitby> morning
Nov 25 21:05:30 <rwhitby> freakout: what's up?
Nov 25 21:06:05 <a2ny|work> ~seen cryptk
Nov 25 21:06:06 <infobot> cryptk is currently on #webos-internals. Has said a total of 4 messages. Is idling for 2h 8m 56s, last said: 'this si on the precentral mobile site'.
Nov 25 21:07:57 <freakout> rwhitby: a delightful Preware / ipkgservice bug
Nov 25 21:08:06 <freakout> although I don't know if it's my problem or the Pre's
Nov 25 21:08:18 <a2ny|work> me too here
Nov 25 21:08:21 <imn6zcx> cryptk, were you the one helping me with the GNU yesterday afternoon?
Nov 25 21:08:25 <rwhitby> dBsooner: bumped the version so people say the obsolete again and changed.  bumped to -99 for permanently removed ones.
Nov 25 21:08:27 <dBsooner> rwhitby: cryptk has an issue oyu might be interested in
Nov 25 21:08:35 <freakout> rwhitby: I doctored back to 1.1.3, in order to have one final bum-rush on the app catalog
Nov 25 21:08:36 <a2ny|work> had to run ipkg -o /var update
Nov 25 21:09:01 <rwhitby> dBsooner: saw that  - he's one of the few for which the ipkg wrapper makes things worse, so he needs to turn the switch off in Preware and use MvApp.
Nov 25 21:09:16 <dBsooner> rwhitby: 10-4.. after the conversation with eric about -99, I thought we weren't going to use that as it makes the appid unusable.
Nov 25 21:09:25 <freakout> rwhitby: After re-updating to 1.3.1, had a bunch of issues...
Nov 25 21:09:32 <freakout> I will elucidate a bit later. gotta run to work now
Nov 25 21:09:50 <dBsooner> rwhitby: What about my issue with Precentral's apps?
Nov 25 21:10:13 <rwhitby> dBsooner: -100 is bigger than -99 if we need it
Nov 25 21:10:36 <dBsooner> lol.. Yes, but that would make things all sorts of confusing in the taging of mods
Nov 25 21:10:48 <dBsooner> but this is a one time thing, so I understand.
Nov 25 21:11:07 <rwhitby> dBsooner: why?  those obsolete patches will never be touched again, and the others don't change.
Nov 25 21:11:13 <xorg> +rwhitby: morning rod... sent you an email about new mvapp ready to release
Nov 25 21:11:19 <rwhitby> xorg: got it
Nov 25 21:11:28 <dBsooner> rwhitby: IF we end up wanting the same appid again
Nov 25 21:11:33 <dBsooner> it would then make it confusing.
Nov 25 21:11:42 <xorg> +rwhitby: whenver you get a chance, no rush on it
Nov 25 21:12:10 <imn6zcx> cryptk??
Nov 25 21:12:14 <rwhitby> dBsooner: the -99 is meant to indicate that the appid is not available for reuse.
Nov 25 21:12:47 <imn6zcx> can anyone help me with a question about the GNU patch?
Nov 25 21:15:46 <dBsooner> imn6zcx: Ask away... It's easier for us to colaborate on an answer. :D
Nov 25 21:16:19 <dBsooner> oil: ping
Nov 25 21:16:29 <rwhitby> thebitguru: did you upload to the git repos?
Nov 25 21:17:27 <a2ny|work> rwhitby: he was asking for a git repo earlier
Nov 25 21:17:51 <a2ny|work> I don't think he knew were to place it
Nov 25 21:18:30 * nt4cats is going to nap, not sure why I signed on.  nite!
Nov 25 21:20:37 <xorg> can freetether be discussed here?  has issue with dependency.. needs  us.ryanhope.freetetherd, which is not in the repository
Nov 25 21:21:27 <dBsooner> xorg: yes it is
Nov 25 21:21:38 <dBsooner> or was...
Nov 25 21:21:43 <imn6zcx> I added GNU yesterday and it installed good.  It did reboot and since then, i can't get my pre to reboot or turn off
Nov 25 21:21:52 <imn6zcx> They only way is to take out battery
Nov 25 21:21:56 <gerg> hey
Nov 25 21:22:02 <dBsooner> imn6zcx: I don't think GNU Patch caused that..
Nov 25 21:22:10 <dBsooner> imn6zcx: Do you have Preware installed?
Nov 25 21:22:15 <imn6zcx> yes
Nov 25 21:22:18 <gerg> so I'm digging this irc app for webos
Nov 25 21:22:24 <dBsooner> imn6zcx: Open it and uninstall GNU Patch.
Nov 25 21:22:30 <xorg> +dBsooner: did a ipkg list and the freetetherd doesn't show up
Nov 25 21:22:43 <imn6zcx> i can't.  it won't uninstall
Nov 25 21:22:43 <dBsooner> it's not in the repo that way
Nov 25 21:22:45 <xorg> an
Nov 25 21:22:49 <rwhitby> jauderho: I have all the webos doctors back to day one.  with chuq's permission I could pass one on to you.
Nov 25 21:22:50 <imn6zcx> says it's being used
Nov 25 21:22:51 <xorg> xorg-pre: test
Nov 25 21:23:24 <dBsooner> imn6zcx: by what?
Nov 25 21:23:29 <dBsooner> imn6zcx: uninstall all your patches first
Nov 25 21:23:46 <gerg> hmm any other apps good to get?
Nov 25 21:23:47 <imn6zcx> I did that last night and the last one was gnu
Nov 25 21:24:04 <imn6zcx> wouldn't let me remove
Nov 25 21:24:47 <dBsooner> oh.. I see the problem xorg
Nov 25 21:24:54 <dBsooner> rwhitby: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=blob;f=unreleased/freetetherd/Makefile;h=97541354768e7d22f1b5d002f31b58d01be43d14;hb=209e710e7e853c8e1f0ce66c0e399ae92545fffa
Nov 25 21:25:17 <dBsooner> that blob shows the freetetherd Makefile to be for the backup utility?
Nov 25 21:26:09 <dBsooner> imn6zcx: do you have command line access?
Nov 25 21:26:17 <dBsooner> imn6zcx: where you can copy/paste
Nov 25 21:26:23 <rwhitby> xorg: do you have the armv7 testing feed installed?
Nov 25 21:26:30 <xorg> y
Nov 25 21:26:42 <dBsooner> y = why? or y = yes?
Nov 25 21:26:42 <imn6zcx> don't know
Nov 25 21:26:47 <xorg> yes
Nov 25 21:26:49 <imn6zcx> i'm not the best
Nov 25 21:26:59 <dBsooner> imn6zcx: what do you show to be "installed" in preware?
Nov 25 21:27:01 <imn6zcx> where can i find it
Nov 25 21:27:34 <imn6zcx> apps, linux apps patches, service and unknown
Nov 25 21:27:38 <a2ny|work> imn6zcx: ipkg -o /var remove org.webosinternals.patch
Nov 25 21:27:48 <a2ny|work> that will remove the GNU patch via CLI
Nov 25 21:27:51 <dBsooner> imn6zcx: go to patchesr
Nov 25 21:28:07 <dBsooner> a2ny|work: he doesn't have command line, and I am not going to walk him through that
Nov 25 21:28:21 <dBsooner> imn6zcx: what do you have listed in "patches"
Nov 25 21:29:38 <imn6zcx> add date (both the month and day and the month date year. all day events, enable hiddne clock, hide nascar app and more reminder alarm time
Nov 25 21:29:48 <dBsooner> you need to remove ALL Those
Nov 25 21:29:57 <rwhitby> dBsooner: thanks - fixed.
Nov 25 21:30:15 <dBsooner> rwhitby: :) That should be why freetetherd wasn't showing in repo, correct?
Nov 25 21:30:21 <rwhitby> dBsooner: nope
Nov 25 21:30:28 <dBsooner> dang
Nov 25 21:30:29 <rwhitby> that would just stop it from updating
Nov 25 21:30:37 <rwhitby> it was already in repo
Nov 25 21:30:50 <dBsooner> ahh.. that's what I meant.
Nov 25 21:30:56 <rwhitby> ah, it would remove it from packages though
Nov 25 21:31:02 <rwhitby> fixed now anyway
Nov 25 21:31:02 <dBsooner> :D
Nov 25 21:31:16 <rwhitby> xorg: try now
Nov 25 21:31:17 <xorg> ok, tetherd now installed
Nov 25 21:31:42 <rwhitby> xorg: *free*tetherd ;-)
Nov 25 21:31:45 <imn6zcx> all can but the add date mm/dd/yy.  That was part of problem yesterday.  that's why i added gnu.  i get an error in ipkg and fcan't get rid of it
Nov 25 21:31:52 <xorg> yes
Nov 25 21:32:21 <dBsooner> imn6zcx: so uninstall them all but that one
Nov 25 21:32:26 <dBsooner> and tell me when you are at that point.
Nov 25 21:32:41 <imn6zcx> k
Nov 25 21:32:51 <dBsooner> imn6zcx: did oyu happen to upgrade to 1.3.1 with patches installed?
Nov 25 21:33:14 <rwhitby> xorg: one line changelog for mvapp?
Nov 25 21:33:55 <xorg> +rwhitby:  did it turn out that way?
Nov 25 21:34:45 <xorg> I'm ok with one line
Nov 25 21:35:08 <imn6zcx> everything is gone except that one.  I tried to delet gnu patch and says packages that depend on this and shows that add date
Nov 25 21:35:28 <imn6zcx> yes
Nov 25 21:35:35 <rwhitby> xorg: we should get Templarian to do an icon for MvApp
Nov 25 21:36:01 <xorg> icon sounds good to me
Nov 25 21:36:12 <rwhitby> xorg: "0.3.6: Now checks for abandoned links and checks if the ipkg wrapper is installed. The doctor is renamed to diag, and added update preware and terminal apps."
Nov 25 21:36:26 <imn6zcx> and i accidently removed preware and had my sprint guy reinstall it after 1.3.1
Nov 25 21:36:40 <rwhitby> imn6zcx: you had a Sprint guy install Preware?
Nov 25 21:36:47 <imn6zcx> yes
Nov 25 21:36:55 <rwhitby> that's bound to break something :-)
Nov 25 21:36:58 <imn6zcx> on his own
Nov 25 21:37:10 <imn6zcx> he also owns a pre
Nov 25 21:38:07 <Templarian> rwhitby: yes we should. I don't hink he knows what MvApp is though.
Nov 25 21:38:57 <imn6zcx> any ideaas dbsooner?
Nov 25 21:39:04 <imn6zcx> or anyone?
Nov 25 21:39:07 <xorg> rwhitby: am ok with the changelog
Nov 25 21:39:36 <rwhitby> xorg: released
Nov 25 21:39:41 <dBsooner> imn6zcx: you upgraded to 1.3.1 without removing patches?
Nov 25 21:39:43 <dBsooner> imn6zcx: run EPR
Nov 25 21:39:56 <imn6zcx> yes i did
Nov 25 21:39:58 <dBsooner> imn6zcx: go back to main scene
Nov 25 21:40:07 <dBsooner> go to "list of everything"
Nov 25 21:40:14 <dBsooner> type "emergency"
Nov 25 21:40:15 <xorg> rwhitby: thanks
Nov 25 21:40:22 <dBsooner> and you should see "Emergency Patch Recovery"
Nov 25 21:40:46 <rwhitby> xorg: please give Templarian some info about MvApp
Nov 25 21:41:01 <jauderho> rwhitby: I dont need it myself but a2ny was asking for it. i've sent an email to chuq to host it officially somewhere. thanks tho.
Nov 25 21:41:30 <imn6zcx> i see it in available packages
Nov 25 21:41:37 <dBsooner> imn6zcx: install it
Nov 25 21:41:48 <rwhitby> jauderho: I expect Palm would not want to officially host old doctors
Nov 25 21:41:51 <imn6zcx> should i do anything first?
Nov 25 21:41:57 <dBsooner> imn6zcx: no install it
Nov 25 21:42:01 * jauderho is about to crack open a pack of tim-tams.
Nov 25 21:42:11 <imn6zcx> installed
Nov 25 21:42:16 * Templarian looks at xorg intently like he's about to read a story from a book.
Nov 25 21:42:28 <jauderho> rwhitby: it's palm's decision and i'm happy to abide by whatever they decide.
Nov 25 21:42:29 <imn6zcx> done
Nov 25 21:42:31 <dBsooner> imn6zcx: no close preware and reopen
Nov 25 21:42:34 <dBsooner> now*
Nov 25 21:42:49 <jauderho> rwhitby: imo might make sense to host if off a developer forum tho.
Nov 25 21:43:12 <imn6zcx> ok opening
Nov 25 21:43:20 <imn6zcx> and thanik you btw
Nov 25 21:43:35 <imn6zcx> ok it's open
Nov 25 21:43:38 <dBsooner> no problem.. now go to "Installed"
Nov 25 21:43:49 <imn6zcx> ok
Nov 25 21:43:53 <dBsooner> Patches still a category?
Nov 25 21:43:59 <imn6zcx> yes
Nov 25 21:44:05 <dBsooner> do you have a theme installed?
Nov 25 21:44:11 <imn6zcx> no
Nov 25 21:44:33 <dBsooner> and in the patches categroy, is it just the top-bar one?
Nov 25 21:44:46 <imn6zcx> yes
Nov 25 21:44:49 <dBsooner> have you ever had a theme installed?
Nov 25 21:45:00 <rwhitby> jauderho: yep
Nov 25 21:45:04 <imn6zcx> yes, but went away
Nov 25 21:45:16 <dBsooner> after the update huh?
Nov 25 21:45:28 <imn6zcx> uh huh
Nov 25 21:45:41 <dBsooner> OK.. you are probably going to want to run WOSRU
Nov 25 21:45:49 <dBsooner> webOS Repair Utility
Nov 25 21:45:50 <imn6zcx> wosru?
Nov 25 21:46:02 <imn6zcx> and emergency?
Nov 25 21:46:09 <dBsooner> It will go through and restore all the 1.3.1 files back to stock
Nov 25 21:46:14 * rwhitby bbl
Nov 25 21:46:16 <dBsooner> no, it's webOS Repair Utility
Nov 25 21:46:32 <imn6zcx> will I lose anything
Nov 25 21:46:46 <dBsooner> no, your apps and stuff will stay
Nov 25 21:46:53 <dBsooner> it just restores the stock palm files
Nov 25 21:47:01 <imn6zcx> ok, how
Nov 25 21:47:11 <imn6zcx> and where do i get it
Nov 25 21:47:15 * xorg brb
Nov 25 21:47:22 <dBsooner> first, install Terminal from Preware
Nov 25 21:47:35 <dBsooner> go to list of everything again and type "terminal"
Nov 25 21:47:37 <imn6zcx> where is terminal
Nov 25 21:48:01 <jauderho> ooo. the palm wool pouch looks nice. too bad it's for the pixi
Nov 25 21:48:24 <imn6zcx> ok
Nov 25 21:48:32 <imn6zcx> i see 2
Nov 25 21:48:35 <dBsooner> ok
Nov 25 21:48:37 <dBsooner> install both
Nov 25 21:48:43 <imn6zcx> terminal and terminal service plugin
Nov 25 21:48:47 <dBsooner> one should be the terminal app itself, the other the service/plugin it requires
Nov 25 21:49:32 <imn6zcx> did one and it is rebooting
Nov 25 21:49:39 <dBsooner> that was the service
Nov 25 21:49:55 <dBsooner> once it comes back up, open preware and install Terminal
Nov 25 21:50:01 <imn6zcx> k
Nov 25 21:50:19 <dBsooner> which do you have? Date in MM-DD or MM-DD-YY?
Nov 25 21:51:01 <a2ny|work> dBsooner: leading him through console now are we ;)
Nov 25 21:51:24 <dBsooner> a2ny|work: yeah, its the only way unfortunately.
Nov 25 21:51:36 <dBsooner> EPR let me down
Nov 25 21:53:35 <a2ny|work> =\
Nov 25 21:53:38 <dBsooner> that sucks
Nov 25 21:53:44 <dBsooner> http://forums.precentral.net/canuck-software/204495-webos-repair-utility.html
Nov 25 21:53:47 <dBsooner> there's his link
Nov 25 21:53:54 <dBsooner> but he left us
Nov 25 21:54:47 <dBsooner> a2ny|work: I gotta fold some of this laundry before it wrinkles (yes, a dad that does laundry).. would oyu mind walking him through ipkg -o /var remove org.webosinternals.patches.top-bar-add-date-mm-dd
Nov 25 21:54:47 <Mousey> we miss him so..
Nov 25 21:54:47 <Mousey> *sniff*
Nov 25 21:54:56 <dBsooner> then point him to that link?
Nov 25 21:55:05 <imn6zcx> am i here
Nov 25 21:55:06 <imn6zcx> yes
Nov 25 21:55:12 <dBsooner> LOL
Nov 25 21:55:16 <dBsooner> open terminal
Nov 25 21:55:22 <a2ny|work> you get too ;)
Nov 25 21:55:25 <imn6zcx> it is still typing
Nov 25 21:55:31 <a2ny|work> nodoze sucks =\
Nov 25 21:55:32 <dBsooner> which do you have, MM-DD or MM-DD-YY?
Nov 25 21:55:42 <imn6zcx> mm-dd-yy
Nov 25 21:55:47 <dBsooner> still typing?
Nov 25 21:55:54 <imn6zcx> yes
Nov 25 21:55:59 <dBsooner> what do you mean?
Nov 25 21:56:06 <imn6zcx> on terminal page
Nov 25 21:56:16 <dBsooner> why is it typing?
Nov 25 21:56:20 <imn6zcx> broadcast message from roont
Nov 25 21:56:23 <imn6zcx> system woke up
Nov 25 21:56:27 <dBsooner> ohhh
Nov 25 21:56:28 <a2ny|work> plug it in
Nov 25 21:56:29 <dBsooner> sleep .. lol
Nov 25 21:56:34 <Abyssul> Zune software does not like the .m4v files from the Pre recording
Nov 25 21:56:34 <a2ny|work> those are powerd messages
Nov 25 21:56:34 <dBsooner> plug it into a charger
Nov 25 21:56:37 <imn6zcx> just closed it
Nov 25 21:56:38 <Abyssul> i mean .mp4
Nov 25 21:56:58 <imn6zcx> ok now what
Nov 25 21:57:03 <dBsooner> a2ny|work: can you take it? I really gotta fold.. wife gets off in an hour
Nov 25 21:57:26 <dBsooner> ipkg -o /var remove org.webosinternals.patches.top-bar-add-date-mm-dd-yy
Nov 25 21:57:44 <imn6zcx> huh?
Nov 25 21:57:51 <dBsooner> open terminal
Nov 25 21:57:54 <dBsooner> and type that
Nov 25 21:57:57 <dBsooner> then press enter
Nov 25 21:58:09 <imn6zcx> and i should plug into pc now too
Nov 25 21:58:15 <dBsooner> might as well
Nov 25 21:58:17 <dBsooner> choose just charge
Nov 25 21:59:21 <imn6zcx> deosn't even show charge either
Nov 25 21:59:26 <imn6zcx> i know it's charging though
Nov 25 21:59:50 <Abyssul> Precorder has sync issues :p
Nov 25 21:59:53 <imn6zcx> going to preware
Nov 25 22:00:38 <a2ny|work> ok
Nov 25 22:00:41 <a2ny|work> im here ill help
Nov 25 22:00:59 <a2ny|work> I am in the right spot for vcore
Nov 25 22:01:04 <a2ny|work> now just need to find it :D
Nov 25 22:01:23 <imn6zcx> where can i find the terminal under what?
Nov 25 22:01:48 <imn6zcx> found it
Nov 25 22:02:02 <imn6zcx> should I launch it?
Nov 25 22:02:26 <a2ny|work> yes
Nov 25 22:02:37 <imn6zcx> ok
Nov 25 22:02:54 <imn6zcx> and type in the line ipkg
Nov 25 22:03:02 <a2ny|work> yes
Nov 25 22:05:52 <imn6zcx> typed it now enter?
Nov 25 22:06:42 <imn6zcx> hello?
Nov 25 22:07:17 <imn6zcx> a2ny or desooner?
Nov 25 22:07:41 <a2ny|work> hi
Nov 25 22:07:43 <a2ny|work> yes enter
Nov 25 22:08:03 <imn6zcx> now what?
Nov 25 22:08:11 <a2ny|work> did it say removed ?
Nov 25 22:08:30 <imn6zcx> says not found
Nov 25 22:09:01 <imn6zcx> should i try again?
Nov 25 22:09:25 <a2ny|work> ipkg -o /var list_installed | grep org.webosinternals.patch
Nov 25 22:09:39 <a2ny|work> | is orange+period
Nov 25 22:10:13 <bpadalino> orange is officially called the 'blob' key in the hardware diagnostics
Nov 25 22:11:06 <a2ny|work> =)
Nov 25 22:12:44 <imn6zcx> now what
Nov 25 22:12:53 <imn6zcx> i'm so confuseddddddddddddddd
Nov 25 22:13:28 <imn6zcx> should i get out of terminal and see if its gone
Nov 25 22:13:39 <PreGame> i cannot install terminal
Nov 25 22:13:49 <PreGame> i tried via preware and WQI
Nov 25 22:13:53 <imn6zcx> a2ny?
Nov 25 22:15:22 <PreGame> does terminal not work on 1.3.1
Nov 25 22:15:28 <imn6zcx> ?
Nov 25 22:15:32 <a2ny|work> what did it come back ?
Nov 25 22:15:57 <a2ny|work> did you get any reference to the patches ?
Nov 25 22:16:19 <imn6zcx> .no
Nov 25 22:16:27 <imn6zcx> still won't uninstall
Nov 25 22:16:52 <a2ny|work> that is not removing it
Nov 25 22:17:03 <a2ny|work> it should come back with a list of installed items
Nov 25 22:17:27 <cnolan> hi folks, i hate to sound like a n00b but when trying to install precorder using the bootstrap script i get "Cannot find package org.webosinternals.gstservice."
Nov 25 22:17:59 <imn6zcx> crap, should I type it again?
Nov 25 22:18:19 <a2ny|work> yes
Nov 25 22:18:29 <imn6zcx> the line you gave me
Nov 25 22:18:32 <a2ny|work> yes
Nov 25 22:18:39 <a2ny|work> this is what my pre gives me...
Nov 25 22:18:39 <a2ny|work> http://webos.pastebin.com/d4d2e9334
Nov 25 22:20:05 <a2ny|work> PreGame: App:Terminal works
Nov 25 22:20:18 <sugardave> PreGame: Terminal is working...I never installed before until last night
Nov 25 22:20:34 <sugardave> IN STEREO!
Nov 25 22:20:47 <imn6zcx> ok
Nov 25 22:20:55 <a2ny|work> did you get anything ?
Nov 25 22:22:40 <imn6zcx> yes it shows i have gny patch and org.webosinternals.patches top-bar-add-date-mm-dd-uu - 1.2.1-0add date - mm/dd/yy
Nov 25 22:22:52 <imn6zcx> make senses\?
Nov 25 22:23:01 <imn6zcx> gnu
Nov 25 22:23:24 <xorg> g
Nov 25 22:23:24 <DarkSpecter> hi
Nov 25 22:23:40 <a2ny|work> yup
Nov 25 22:23:56 <a2ny|work> and the problem you are having is the top bar add date correct ?
Nov 25 22:24:39 <PreGame> i have rebooted my phone and cannot get it installed
Nov 25 22:24:43 <DarkSpecter> is it normal that after uninstalling patches there are still .orig files left in the filesystem ?
Nov 25 22:24:52 <PreGame> preware says it installs fine but actually is not showing it as installed
Nov 25 22:25:14 <imn6zcx_> ok
Nov 25 22:25:25 <imn6zcx_> did you see anything i typed
Nov 25 22:26:06 <PreGame> also how do i delete the videos created by precorder
Nov 25 22:26:18 <imn6zcx_> a2ny
Nov 25 22:26:49 <imn6zcx_> now what do i do? please
Nov 25 22:27:00 <a2ny|work> (2:22:36 PM) a2ny|work: and the problem you are having is the top bar add date correct ?
Nov 25 22:27:04 <PreGame> cnolan: how are you trying to install the bootstrap?
Nov 25 22:27:39 <imn6zcx_> yes, and i can't remove it or can't even turn pre off
Nov 25 22:28:19 <a2ny|work> ok
Nov 25 22:28:33 <imn6zcx_> since i installed the gnu yesterday
Nov 25 22:28:33 <cnolan> PreGame, nevermind I think i fixed it. (I am using a root shell via novacom)
Nov 25 22:28:58 <a2ny|work> lets remove all the patches with...
Nov 25 22:29:18 <a2ny|work> ipkg -o /var remove org.webosinternals.patch*
Nov 25 22:31:17 <imn6zcx_> says -sh ipkg; not found
Nov 25 22:32:40 <a2ny|work> tap the gesture area
Nov 25 22:32:43 <a2ny|work> then 2
Nov 25 22:32:48 <a2ny|work> recheck your spelling
Nov 25 22:32:56 <imn6zcx_> ok
Nov 25 22:33:16 <imn6zcx_> removed it says
Nov 25 22:33:17 <PreGame> i can't get the dang terminal to install
Nov 25 22:33:19 <imn6zcx_> should i check
Nov 25 22:35:25 <imn6zcx_> removed!
Nov 25 22:35:35 <imn6zcx_> nowstill can't restart or shut down
Nov 25 22:35:56 <a2ny|work> ok
Nov 25 22:35:56 <a2ny|work> what do you mean
Nov 25 22:35:56 <a2ny|work> you can't hold the power button ?
Nov 25 22:36:06 <a2ny|work> PreGame: ssh, ipkg -o /var update
Nov 25 22:36:52 <imn6zcx_> yes,i get airplae mode, power and cancel.  if i press power I get restart and shut down andcancel
Nov 25 22:37:08 <imn6zcx_> pushing either restart or shut down.... nothing
Nov 25 22:37:44 <zsoc> ice-11, hey foo
Nov 25 22:38:27 <imn6zcx_> any ideas a2ny?
Nov 25 22:38:51 <PreGame> i get wget ipkg.preware.org bad address
Nov 25 22:39:03 <a2ny|work> hmm
Nov 25 22:39:05 <zsoc> PreGame, your radio isn't on
Nov 25 22:39:27 <a2ny|work> I can make it shutdown... but I wouldn't want it not to start up again
Nov 25 22:39:59 <imn6zcx_> lol
Nov 25 22:40:07 <imn6zcx_> am I screwed?
Nov 25 22:40:19 <a2ny|work> any sensitive data lol ?
Nov 25 22:40:22 <PreGame> i just tried again and it works
Nov 25 22:40:23 <PreGame> weird
Nov 25 22:40:35 * imn6zcx_ isn't laughing
Nov 25 22:41:43 <PreGame> ok a2ny|home: now what?
Nov 25 22:41:55 <a2ny|work> you get that PreGame, run preware now
Nov 25 22:42:17 <ice-11> zsoc: hey! I see that Precorder is in alpha. Great job :)
Nov 25 22:42:28 <PreGame> i've already done that.
Nov 25 22:42:38 <PreGame> it just doesn't show it as installed
Nov 25 22:42:40 <imn6zcx_> I wonder if i have to do a hard reset
Nov 25 22:42:52 <a2ny|work> install it
Nov 25 22:42:58 <zsoc> ice-11, considering how bad it is, i've gotten a lot of positive feedback
Nov 25 22:43:01 <a2ny|work> imn6zcx_: try this
Nov 25 22:43:06 <imn6zcx_> ok
Nov 25 22:43:08 <a2ny|work> pkill LunaSysMgr
Nov 25 22:43:17 <a2ny|work> it will restart luna, and then try to shutdown
Nov 25 22:43:30 <a2ny|work> it will appear the phone is booting up
Nov 25 22:43:36 <imn6zcx_> huh, where do i type that in terminal
Nov 25 22:43:39 <ice-11> zsoc: haha, it's not that bad, it's coming along nicely. Great work.
Nov 25 22:43:40 <zsoc> how about 'reboot'? :P
Nov 25 22:43:47 <zsoc> ice-11, ty, what are you up to?
Nov 25 22:43:55 <PreGame> reboot = Orange + Sym + R
Nov 25 22:44:40 <imn6zcx_> a2ny, do i type that in terminal?
Nov 25 22:44:54 <PreGame> yes
Nov 25 22:44:55 <ice-11> zsoc: working on several school projects at the moment. Pre work is on the back-burner for the time being
Nov 25 22:45:07 <zsoc> ice-11, don't blame you :) good to hear from ya anyways
Nov 25 22:45:11 <PreGame> zsoc
Nov 25 22:45:18 <zsoc> PreGame, what?
Nov 25 22:45:18 <PreGame> how do i remove precorder videos?
Nov 25 22:45:21 <ice-11> zsoc: you too :).
Nov 25 22:45:32 <zsoc> PreGame, what does that have to do with me? it's alpha software, i've already told everyone not to download or use it
Nov 25 22:45:36 <imn6zcx_> pregame you taking over for him?
Nov 25 22:45:38 <ice-11> PreGame: Get the patch to remove videos with a swipe; It's in preware
Nov 25 22:45:47 <zsoc> PreGame, alternatively, there's a patch to remove them with swipe ;)
Nov 25 22:45:55 <zsoc> PreGame, or install Internalz and the service
Nov 25 22:45:55 <ice-11> :p
Nov 25 22:46:01 <zsoc> PreGame, or plug it in USB and delete them that way
Nov 25 22:46:03 <ice-11> that should really be on the wiki page
Nov 25 22:46:11 <PreGame> why have something in alpha if you tell people not to download or use it?
Nov 25 22:46:16 <a2ny|work> im waiting for you imn6zcx_
Nov 25 22:46:18 <a2ny|work> you get it ?
Nov 25 22:46:30 <zsoc> PreGame, or install the terminal app and use rm :P
Nov 25 22:46:32 <imn6zcx_> i asked if i should type that in terminal?
Nov 25 22:46:42 <a2ny|work> yes
Nov 25 22:46:46 <PreGame> i'm trying to install the terminal but it isn't working
Nov 25 22:46:54 <zsoc> PreGame, it's in alpha so other devs can test it for the purposes of answering questions i have on an unhacked device. But it's opensource, so I can't stop people from installing it :P
Nov 25 22:46:58 <jauderho> so has anyone tried the GPS hack for more accurate/standalone GPS?
Nov 25 22:47:03 <zsoc> PreGame, did you install the terminal service plugin?
Nov 25 22:47:19 <PreGame> yep
Nov 25 22:47:21 <a2ny|work> what does the ipkg log say ?
Nov 25 22:47:26 <a2ny|work> in preware
Nov 25 22:48:16 <zsoc> PreGame, then i don't know. all i know is the Terminal application right now has no maintainer
Nov 25 22:48:23 <zsoc> but it wfm
Nov 25 22:48:35 <PreGame> i can't find the ipkg log in preware anymore, its not in the menu
Nov 25 22:48:36 <imn6zcx_> yes says palm
Nov 25 22:49:02 <PreGame> and it restarts luna so i cannot see the log
Nov 25 22:49:02 <imn6zcx> yes says palm
Nov 25 22:49:21 <imn6zcx> rebooted
Nov 25 22:49:42 <imn6zcx> still push restart and nothing
Nov 25 22:49:56 <a2ny|work> shutdown -r now
Nov 25 22:50:04 <a2ny|work> in terminal
Nov 25 22:50:32 <imn6zcx> ok getting to terminal again and will type
Nov 25 22:52:19 <imn6zcx> ok rebooting
Nov 25 22:53:22 <imn6zcx> at least my palm is
Nov 25 22:55:30 <imn6zcx> still won't shut down pushing restart of shut down'
Nov 25 22:56:57 <imn6zcx_> a2ny, still won't shut down or reboot
Nov 25 22:57:29 <imn6zcx_> I keep having problems here, that's why i go and come back
Nov 25 22:58:18 <imn6zcx_> hello?
Nov 25 22:58:24 <PreGame> whats command to see ipkg log?
Nov 25 23:01:25 <imn6zcx_> a2ny, are you still here?
Nov 25 23:02:06 <a2ny|work> yeah still here
Nov 25 23:02:11 <a2ny|work> back and forth
Nov 25 23:02:27 <imn6zcx_> 'ahhhhhhh, sorry for me coming and going
Nov 25 23:02:41 <imn6zcx_> this site doesn't like me I guess LOL
Nov 25 23:02:49 <imn6zcx_> anyway i did all you said and it still won't restart
Nov 25 23:04:46 <imn6zcx_> did i lose it again?
Nov 25 23:04:54 <imn6zcx_> nope
Nov 25 23:06:11 <imn6zcx_> is there a way to leave you my email incase you have any ideas a2ny?  I konw your at work and busy
Nov 25 23:07:50 <imn6zcx_> ?
Nov 25 23:08:57 <rwhitby> Templarian: s/McApp/MvApp/
Nov 25 23:12:27 * Templarian looks around trying to figure out rwhitby was correcting.
Nov 25 23:13:57 <imn6zcx_> hello
Nov 25 23:14:39 <a2ny|work> imn6zcx_: you must have installed something that replaced a file
Nov 25 23:14:50 <a2ny|work> a js file that lets the system shutdown
Nov 25 23:14:54 <imn6zcx_> i guess,
Nov 25 23:15:15 <imn6zcx_> should I leave you my email in case something comes to your mind?
Nov 25 23:15:46 <a2ny|work> you can find me on here, or stop by and see if anyone else can help you
Nov 25 23:16:21 <imn6zcx_> ok, so i wonder what  will happen?
Nov 25 23:16:33 <imn6zcx_> do i have to to a total reinstall?
Nov 25 23:18:04 <imn6zcx_> .
Nov 25 23:18:16 <a2ny|work> not sure yet
Nov 25 23:18:29 <a2ny|work> keep in mind you can always reboot your device with terminal
Nov 25 23:18:45 <a2ny|work> so don't run doctor if you don't have too
Nov 25 23:18:45 <imn6zcx_> ok how again?
Nov 25 23:18:52 <imn6zcx_> ok
Nov 25 23:19:28 <a2ny|work> shutdown -r now
Nov 25 23:19:53 <imn6zcx_> ok, i;ll write it down and go right to thermial and shut down.  THANK YOU SIR!
Nov 25 23:22:10 <fritos1406> lovin the wirc app for the pre :)
Nov 25 23:22:18 <a2ny|work> rwhitby: what is webos-internals stance on frequency/smartreflex, own risk completely, even if they are hosted by our git ?
Nov 25 23:23:06 <Templarian> rwhitby_: did the icon fit the applications needs?
Nov 25 23:24:47 <jauderho> I'm very confused now. ever since I updated to 1.3.1, the pre has been randomly rebooting. it'll be sitting there then out of nowhere. reboot.
Nov 25 23:25:41 <Templarian> jauderho: probably a haywire patch.
Nov 25 23:26:08 <bpadalino> i am not sure, but i think the logs should at least be around ?
Nov 25 23:26:14 * Templarian doesn't think he used the word "haywire" correctly.
Nov 25 23:26:15 <fritos1406> so I read that the smartreflex patch say do not install..are they dangerous to install or is it just a heads up
Nov 25 23:26:27 <tmzt> what logs?
Nov 25 23:26:37 <rwhitby> Templarian: the icon filename on the wiki was what I was correcting
Nov 25 23:27:14 <Templarian> oh.
Nov 25 23:27:38 * CTLAdvance-work asks Templarian haywire this up for me
Nov 25 23:27:41 <CTLAdvance-work> oy
Nov 25 23:27:48 <rwhitby> a2ny|work: everything that anyone ever does is at their own risk. that's part of the MIT license.
Nov 25 23:28:17 <jauderho> switching computers.
Nov 25 23:28:48 <Templarian> rwhitby: fixed.
Nov 25 23:28:59 <a2ny|work> got it, I will be updating the wiki on it here soon, I have found some info regarding ondemand and SR
Nov 25 23:34:01 <xorg> thanks Templarian for the mvapp icon!
Nov 25 23:34:42 <xorg> mvapp
Nov 25 23:42:08 <Templarian> xorg: you think it's obvious enough the arrow is pointing to a storage device?
Nov 25 23:42:37 <Jack87> dBsooner, ping
Nov 25 23:42:40 <Templarian> I was going to try a folder, but wasn't sure if it would give the same impression.
Nov 25 23:43:41 <xorg> Templarian:  I suppose it looks more like a computer... how about an SD card, which the media drive simulates...
Nov 25 23:44:12 <Jack87> ok so here is a patching question.... i figure with the iphone like messaging app you can install personal avatar without the need of the personal avatar patch... does that sound right?
Nov 25 23:44:34 <xorg> but the icon is ok as it is... i think most will get it.
Nov 25 23:45:04 <Templarian> Yea we will just leave it if I go with anything else it will have overlayering.
Nov 25 23:45:53 <xorg> go ahead and add to the mvapp package, i'll not in the thread about the new icon.. thanks again.
Nov 25 23:46:04 <xorg> not=note
Nov 25 23:46:48 <rwhitby> xorg: already done
Nov 25 23:46:57 <xorg> thanks rod...
Nov 25 23:48:11 <Jack87> so how does one get personal avatar and iphone style messaging
Nov 25 23:48:23 <Jack87> doesnt seem to work well together
Nov 25 23:49:28 <xorg> hmmm mvapp still show the linux icon
Nov 25 23:49:34 <xorg> in preware
Nov 25 23:49:47 <a2ny|work> does anyone know how to call powerd  ?
Nov 25 23:50:44 <en0x> holly shit
Nov 25 23:50:46 <Mousey> powerd! powerd!! dinner's ready!
Nov 25 23:50:52 <en0x> 1.5tb hard drives for 97 bucks on newegg
Nov 25 23:50:54 <Jack87> a2ny|home, start powerd
Nov 25 23:50:55 <zsoc> Mousey, crap, i was almost done typing
Nov 25 23:51:00 <Mousey> ^_^
Nov 25 23:51:02 <zsoc> Mousey, my quip involved a phone number directory tho
Nov 25 23:51:03 <en0x> let the black friday sale begin
Nov 25 23:51:03 <en0x> :)
Nov 25 23:51:04 <Mousey> en0x: wow, they wen't up
Nov 25 23:51:16 <en0x> w00t how much were they?
Nov 25 23:51:20 <Mousey> 75
Nov 25 23:51:21 <a2ny|work> Jack87: I want to call it, not start it
Nov 25 23:51:25 <Mousey> oh. maybe i'm thinking 1tb
Nov 25 23:51:25 <en0x> im talking about seagate 7200rpm
Nov 25 23:51:29 <jauderho_> en0x: what brand/model?
Nov 25 23:51:31 <Mousey> i'd bite
Nov 25 23:51:36 <Jack87> a2ny|home, oh...
Nov 25 23:51:37 <jauderho_> nice...
Nov 25 23:51:37 <a2ny|work> when its called it logs to messages
Nov 25 23:51:43 <en0x> Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 ST31500341AS 1.5TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s
Nov 25 23:51:48 <Mousey> zsoc: there are many ways to call powerd
Nov 25 23:51:48 <en0x> jauderho_, ^
Nov 25 23:51:49 <jauderho_> I should get some just to stockpile.
Nov 25 23:51:56 <en0x> i'm gettin five
Nov 25 23:51:57 <en0x> ;)
Nov 25 23:52:05 <en0x> because 5 is the limit
Nov 25 23:52:05 <en0x> :S
Nov 25 23:52:15 <Jack87> a2ny|home, im not sure... what are you trying to do
Nov 25 23:52:21 <jauderho_> the drives are cheap but the readynas enclosure is not =)
Nov 25 23:52:31 <a2ny|work> just trying to get battery data faster
Nov 25 23:52:34 <en0x> 2tb hitachi for 129
Nov 25 23:52:37 <en0x> jauderho_, ^
Nov 25 23:52:44 <a2ny|work> instead of waiting for the device to call powerd then write to logs
Nov 25 23:53:41 <rwhitby> xorg: need to wait for autobuilder to build and push it
Nov 25 23:53:45 <zsoc> a2ny|home, you could capture dbus and see the service request
Nov 25 23:53:53 <xorg> rwhitby: ah, ok
Nov 25 23:54:03 <rwhitby> xorg: try now
Nov 25 23:54:06 <jauderho_> en0x:  nice
Nov 25 23:54:14 * Mousey wonders if d-feet could be ported
Nov 25 23:54:18 <en0x> hitachi sux
Nov 25 23:54:36 <Mousey> hitachi, who bought IBM's HDD business
Nov 25 23:54:49 <Jack87> a2ny|home, i will check on it for you
Nov 25 23:54:49 <Mousey> DeskStar no doubt
Nov 25 23:55:00 <rwhitby> egaudet: ping
Nov 25 23:55:27 <jauderho_> I usually get seagates, they have been good for me. although i did suffer 3 drive failures in one year in one computer.
Nov 25 23:56:03 <xorg> rwhitby:  restarted preware, mvapp still showing preware icon... still cached somewhere?
Nov 25 23:56:20 <rwhitby> xorg: hmm.
Nov 25 23:57:20 <jauderho_> en0x: newegg's site is now sloooooooow
Nov 25 23:57:40 <xorg> rebooting
Nov 25 23:58:18 <en0x> jauderho_, it was down for a while
Nov 25 23:58:19 <en0x> :P
Nov 25 23:58:29 <Jack87> is it just me or does luna seem to restart faster
Nov 25 23:59:05 <jauderho_> Jack87: just you probably
Nov 25 23:59:23 <jauderho_> en0x: they need cloud computing!!! =)
Nov 25 23:59:41 <Jack87> jauderho_,  haha thanks just checking
Nov 25 23:59:54 <en0x> hehehe
Nov 25 23:59:55 <jauderho_> no worries =)
Nov 26 00:02:52 <jauderho_> drat. the panasonic gf1 is still $$$
Nov 26 00:04:01 <rwhitby> xorg: I suspect your installed MvApp info is overwriting the info from the feed.
Nov 26 00:04:10 <rwhitby> xorg: I'm seeing the icon fine
Nov 26 00:04:29 <xorg> rwhitby: now shows up after a reboot, old icon must've been cached
Nov 26 00:04:46 <xorg> ?
Nov 26 00:08:54 <DrFunk> oil you around
Nov 26 00:12:15 <a2ny|work> ~seen oil
Nov 26 00:12:18 <infobot> oil is currently on #webos-internals. Has said a total of 15 messages. Is idling for 23h 15m 54s, last said: 'idk, puff made a battery thing'.
Nov 26 00:14:41 <DrFunk> a2ny|work: what's good
Nov 26 00:14:47 <en0x> ~seen en0x
Nov 26 00:14:48 <infobot> en0x is currently on #webos-internals (9h 55m 15s). Has said a total of 42 messages. Is idling for 1s, last said: '~seen en0x'.
Nov 26 00:14:55 <en0x> ;)
Nov 26 00:15:01 <DrFunk> hey boston
Nov 26 00:15:39 <en0x> yo yankee
Nov 26 00:15:47 <DrFunk> sup buf
Nov 26 00:15:53 <DrFunk> bud *
Nov 26 00:17:03 <DrFunk> yo en0x what is the deal tonight ?
Nov 26 00:17:22 <Templarian> xorg: is mvapp an actual application?
Nov 26 00:17:50 <DrFunk> to Templarian been waiting on u
Nov 26 00:17:55 <Templarian> (if not it should probably have one of the various icons in the right bottom, just say)
Nov 26 00:17:59 <xorg> no, it's a script.. the icon will only show up in preware
Nov 26 00:18:05 <DrFunk> hows things
Nov 26 00:18:32 <Templarian> xorg: do we have a 14x14 icon to display scripts?
Nov 26 00:19:02 <Templarian> DrFunk: good... do i know you from somewhere else (sorry have that feeling).
Nov 26 00:20:32 <Templarian> xorg: i'm going to make a 16x16 icon to signify scripts.
Nov 26 00:20:43 <Templarian> *14x14
Nov 26 00:21:07 <xorg> it only shows up in installers, not in Launcher... shows up OK in PreWare now.
Nov 26 00:21:24 <Templarian> But it shows up list everything.
Nov 26 00:21:43 <DrFunk> yo Templarian
Nov 26 00:21:45 <a2ny|work> the reason why SR & ondemand doesn't work
Nov 26 00:21:51 <a2ny|work> SR is SR
Nov 26 00:21:57 <Templarian> We try to signify things that are not an application with an icon.
Nov 26 00:22:10 <a2ny|work> and ondemand is DVFS
Nov 26 00:22:38 <a2ny|work> dynamic voltage frequency scaling
Nov 26 00:22:52 <DrFunk> wtf
Nov 26 00:23:19 <rwhitby> Templarian: it's a linux application, like GNU Patch and others
Nov 26 00:23:32 <DrFunk> why can't anyone talk about scalling ???
Nov 26 00:23:45 <Templarian> rwhitby: oh okay so should I add the linux icon.
Nov 26 00:24:19 <zsoc> DrFunk, it doesn't interest us?
Nov 26 00:25:17 <DrFunk> zsoc: why bc you have the record stuff ?
Nov 26 00:25:42 <Templarian> xorg: rwhitby: http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/3347/iconmvapp.png it would look like this.
Nov 26 00:26:25 <zsoc> DrFunk, How would I know why it doesn't interest other people?
Nov 26 00:27:31 <a2ny|work> DrFunk: there is no data on it
Nov 26 00:27:55 <a2ny|work> its just a shot in the dark for now
Nov 26 00:28:01 <a2ny|work> I have some good data on it
Nov 26 00:28:06 <DrFunk> zsoc: bc i m tired dude I want everyone to have a good day
Nov 26 00:28:26 <zsoc> DrFunk, lol, ok man
Nov 26 00:28:29 <DrFunk> I love all
Nov 26 00:28:36 <a2ny|work> it ashame precentral had to post an article on it
Nov 26 00:28:39 <zsoc> no problems
Nov 26 00:28:46 <bpadalino> has anyone looked at the triton binary? know anything about it ?
Nov 26 00:29:01 <rwhitby> a2ny|work: do you think the remaining patches are at least safe?
Nov 26 00:29:15 <DrFunk> bpadalino: where did you come from ?
Nov 26 00:29:24 <bpadalino> the aether ?
Nov 26 00:29:29 <zsoc> i thought your mother
Nov 26 00:29:35 <rwhitby> heh, bpadalino has been here since day 1
Nov 26 00:29:38 <DrFunk> rwhitby: sup ?
Nov 26 00:29:49 <bpadalino> i bought my pre on day 3 at least
Nov 26 00:31:06 <jauderho_> bah. day 3... =)
Nov 26 00:31:13 <a2ny|work> rwhitby: I have nothing to tell me voltage changes
Nov 26 00:31:56 <a2ny|work> I am running some battery tests right now, but I don't see any change in mA usage
Nov 26 00:33:11 <a2ny|work> smart reflex does trigger the module, but since it isn't configured and is set up in bypass it does nothing
Nov 26 00:33:30 <jauderho_> recompile?
Nov 26 00:33:49 <sslow_> ehy guys im having problems, my Pre WONT take screenshots.. So Im trying to figure out what controls that feature so I can see if its a patch causing the problem.
Nov 26 00:34:04 <sslow_> way to many patches installed to start removing 1 at a time
Nov 26 00:34:12 <sslow_> any guesses
Nov 26 00:34:24 <a2ny|work> kernel, yes with SR vsel yes
Nov 26 00:35:43 <dBsooner> Jack87: ?
Nov 26 00:36:42 <a2ny|work> ondemand and SR trigger the same 'bits' in the module
Nov 26 00:37:13 <Jack87> dBsooner, i was just having problems with avatar on iphone messaging patch
Nov 26 00:37:25 <Jack87> dBsooner, messing arond trying to get it goin now
Nov 26 00:37:46 <dBsooner> k.. cuz I can't support the patches being compatible with each other.. that would be the maintainer's job
Nov 26 00:38:10 <dBsooner> or how the function. :D
Nov 26 00:38:16 <bpadalino> anyone notice bsdiff and bspatch installed on the pre now?
Nov 26 00:38:19 <bpadalino> i don't remember them there before
Nov 26 00:38:25 <rwhitby> bpadalino: yeah, it's new
Nov 26 00:38:28 <bpadalino> ah
Nov 26 00:38:45 <bpadalino> rwhitby: same with that triton binary ?
Nov 26 00:38:53 <Jack87> dBsooner, i just wanted to ask if it included the avatar patch and it does.. but it is flakey.. anyway might want to add the same bit in there as the other avatar patch about adding the my-avatar.png
Nov 26 00:39:12 <dBsooner> ok
Nov 26 00:39:30 <rwhitby> bpadalino: yeah, dunno what that is - what does strings say?
Nov 26 00:39:45 <bpadalino> looks like a way for js to make dbus services ?
Nov 26 00:40:02 <bpadalino> root@palm-webos-device:/usr/palm/services/com.palm.photo.facebook# sh ./bin/run
Nov 26 00:40:02 <bpadalino> FBPS> : instantiating Triton.Handle for service com.palm.photo.facebook
Nov 26 00:40:06 <bpadalino> FBPS> : Registering service endpoints...
Nov 26 00:40:17 <bpadalino> then it spits out a bunch of methods available
Nov 26 00:41:21 <rwhitby> bpadalino: ah, I guess that will be the proprietary part of the facebook api that they don't want in js
Nov 26 00:41:58 <Technobabble> is there a program that we can use to backup the pre and it's infos to my computer, so i don't have to rely on Palm and hope they don't have a "sidekick incident"
Nov 26 00:42:04 <bpadalino> triton looks very generic ..
Nov 26 00:42:13 <bpadalino> and uses javascript as it's implementation
Nov 26 00:42:38 <bpadalino> the run shell script has: triton --v8-flags "--notimeout_script_execution" -I /usr/palm/frameworks/triton/javascripts/ -I /usr/palm/frameworks/mojocore/ -I ./lib/  photo_service.js
Nov 26 00:42:48 <sslow_> zsoc: are you still on 0.2.0 on precorder?
Nov 26 00:43:51 <jauderho_> what's interesting about com.palm.photo.facebook is that it uses JSON.parse instead of eval which makes me wonder if there is native JSON support now...
Nov 26 00:44:46 <zsoc> sslow_, technically yes, considering the updated version doesn't have a service to support the updates yet :P
Nov 26 00:46:01 <sslow_> k thanks,i dont have time everyday to check the logs and I want to make sure I stay up with the updates
Nov 26 00:47:04 <bpadalino> in /usr/local/bin, the wifi-mfg-labtool is interesting too
Nov 26 00:47:57 <bpadalino> hiddiag is pretty interesting too - which is where i found that they call the 'orange' key 'blob'
Nov 26 00:48:01 <AnOutsider> night all
Nov 26 00:48:06 <AnOutsider> happy turkey day to those that celebrate
Nov 26 00:48:20 <Jack87> AnOutsider, its tomorrow
Nov 26 00:48:40 <AnOutsider> I wont be here, which is why I'm wishing it to those in advance
Nov 26 00:48:47 <AnOutsider> @Technobabble: http://www.precentral.net/how-back-your-palm-profile-information
Nov 26 00:51:37 <bpadalino> rwhitby: have you checked out /var/javaoom logs on the pre ?
Nov 26 00:52:16 <ird> Technobabble: rsync, and they just put an article on precentral.net explaining how to backup your palm profile with WOSQI I think.
Nov 26 00:52:33 <bpadalino> it's interesting .. the webosinternals ipkgservice has the heap mutex and is trying to run java.lang.AbstractStringBuilder.enlargeBuffer when the log is taken
Nov 26 00:54:34 <Technobabble> thanks guys
Nov 26 00:57:51 * rwhitby bbl
Nov 26 00:59:50 <Technobabble> man, that shit was genius
Nov 26 01:00:46 <Technobabble> can i load this database into a regular ol' mySQL?
Nov 26 01:00:54 <bpadalino> sqlite db
Nov 26 01:02:15 <sslow_> this may sound stupid...but my emulator still has a patch that doesnt show up in WOSQI ..so I cant remove it
Nov 26 01:02:21 <egaudet> rwhitby, pong
Nov 26 01:02:31 <sslow_> how do I reset the emulator to factory?
Nov 26 01:02:41 <rwhitby> egaudet: I fixed the rebuild problem on vk
Nov 26 01:02:55 <Templarian> sslow_: just go to the file virtual media manager.
Nov 26 01:03:14 <Templarian> Delete the mounted image then reclick the emulator button.
Nov 26 01:03:50 <egaudet> there was a rebuild problem?
Nov 26 01:05:31 <sslow_> templarian: where do I find the vmm file?
Nov 26 01:06:24 <Templarian> You don't need it so just select it and hit delete.
Nov 26 01:06:57 <Templarian> Oh it's on your desktop click the emulator icon.
Nov 26 01:07:25 <Templarian> There's a shortcut for it in the "Palm webOS" folder
Nov 26 01:09:14 <sryan> what makes chrome os different than web os?
Nov 26 01:09:45 <zsoc> sryan, what makes it similar?
Nov 26 01:09:46 <Templarian> It's just a browser.
Nov 26 01:09:47 <ird> chrome is for netbooks and webos is for mobile devices?
Nov 26 01:10:02 <sslow_> I feel stupid i dont see a file anywhere that says virtual media mgr
Nov 26 01:10:07 <Templarian> One will fail one will not.
Nov 26 01:10:18 <ird> They can co-exist
Nov 26 01:10:42 <Templarian> sslow_: there isn't one it's a shortcut linking to Palm Emulator that sets everything up.
Nov 26 01:10:46 <ird> That is until Apple puts out something of inferior quality and sells massive amounts of it.
Nov 26 01:10:47 <sryan> Webos can have native applications and C services and chrome os can't right?
Nov 26 01:11:08 <Templarian> ird: which they do every few months.
Nov 26 01:11:17 <ird> sryan:  Webos doesn't have any native applications.
Nov 26 01:11:30 <Templarian> ird: I think he means it can.
Nov 26 01:11:48 <Templarian> (since chrome hasn't hinted about any such avalibility possible)
Nov 26 01:11:56 <aquilAAurum> i'll buy any thing if its shiny and made by apple
Nov 26 01:12:18 <ird> I'll give them one thing. Those short fat ipod nanos were durable little bastards.
Nov 26 01:12:38 <ird> I won one at work a few years ago. I dropped that thing everywhere.
Nov 26 01:13:05 <ird> But when it finally broke and I ordered a new ipod "classic" the screen got fucked up within a month.
Nov 26 01:14:02 <ird> http://gizmodo.com/5412901/opening-up-a-sega-genesis-leads-to-a-genesis-iphone-dock-naturally
Nov 26 01:14:09 <ird> will the madness end?
Nov 26 01:14:31 <jauderho_> btw if people are looking to get intel SSDs, I just saw this mention on twitter. Intel 80GB SSD for $219 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167023
Nov 26 01:14:38 <sryan> wow
Nov 26 01:14:41 <sryan> nice
Nov 26 01:14:52 <jauderho_> seriously tempted to get the ssd now.
Nov 26 01:15:55 <Templarian> ird: don't mention you read gizmodo, not a good thing.
Nov 26 01:16:12 <ird> what's wrong with it?
Nov 26 01:16:17 <sryan> I don't think I need an SSD since everything I do is on the web
Nov 26 01:16:28 <ird> Aside from being liberally bias.
Nov 26 01:16:29 <sryan> unless it can seriously help with compressing/extracting
Nov 26 01:17:04 <jauderho_> well your apps will start literally instantly. the IOPs of a SSD is insane compared to disk
Nov 26 01:17:58 <sryan> My apps (adobe acrobat, microsoft office, chrome) already load almost instantaneously :P thanks to superfetch
Nov 26 01:22:15 <oil> dBsooner: you rang?
Nov 26 01:22:33 <Templarian> ird: mostly that. They write for clicks rather than content most of the time.
Nov 26 01:24:30 <dBsooner> oil: yeah.. but what was it for...
Nov 26 01:24:31 <sryan> http://www.anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.aspx?i=3667&p=8
Nov 26 01:24:35 <dBsooner> hmm
Nov 26 01:24:51 <oil> idk
Nov 26 01:24:55 <oil> there was no context around it
Nov 26 01:25:34 <dBsooner> yeah, i see that.
Nov 26 01:25:37 <dBsooner> Hmm
Nov 26 01:25:43 <sryan> intel drive looks like the best for what I would use it for
Nov 26 01:26:11 <Robi_> OCZs are a bit better
Nov 26 01:26:18 <Robi_> fusion-io still the best
Nov 26 01:27:55 <oil> so i think im going to make a patch to hide anything in the catalog with "fart", "tip" or "dictionary" in its title/description
Nov 26 01:28:02 <sryan> What do you look for in terms of installation speed...? sequential writes?
Nov 26 01:29:42 <jauderho_> intels were the top of the hill for a long time. I have not checked recently.
Nov 26 01:30:22 <sryan> they still are for light random read/write workloads
Nov 26 01:30:46 <jauderho_> I have not looked at fusion-io for their consumer stuff. but just found this http://gizmodo.com/5406294/fusion+io-ioxtreme-ssd-fastest-consumer-ssd-on-the-market
Nov 26 01:31:08 <jauderho_> whoa $800 for 80GB vs $219 for the intel
Nov 26 01:31:46 <Robi_> yep totaly diff tech, they're coming out with more consumer grade ones too
Nov 26 01:31:49 <sryan> you can't boot from PCI-E afaik
Nov 26 01:32:41 <jauderho_> well that's what the gizmodo article says. no booting.
Nov 26 01:32:44 <jauderho_> YET
Nov 26 01:33:23 <jauderho_> but the thought of a macbook pro with SSD is very tempting.
Nov 26 01:33:53 <dBsooner> oil: the only think I can guess it was would have bene something to do with Precentral's XML
Nov 26 01:34:16 <Jack87-wIRC> what's the big deal about ssd?
Nov 26 01:34:48 <Robi_> any new iterations of precorder?
Nov 26 01:35:14 <sryan> They are faster, but not much
Nov 26 01:35:20 <Jack87-wIRC> speeds are not nessarly faster then sata hdd
Nov 26 01:35:23 <sryan> considering all the caching windows 7 does
Nov 26 01:36:06 <sryan> My coworker got an SSD (super talent ME with indilinx controller) and we tested boot times and application loading times and there was a significant difference
Nov 26 01:36:10 <Jack87-wIRC> I am not a big fan of ssd they are just over priced esspesially in a mac!
Nov 26 01:36:21 <sryan> vs my HDD
Nov 26 01:36:39 <Jack87-wIRC> which was faster sryan ?
Nov 26 01:36:56 <Robi_> wget http://bit.ly/precorder-bootstrap
Nov 26 01:36:58 <Robi_> sh precorder-bootstrap
Nov 26 01:36:58 <sryan> SSD, but by only milliseconds to a few seconds
Nov 26 01:37:02 <Robi_> sweet
Nov 26 01:37:25 <sryan> same hardware in both systems except for the drive (work machines)
Nov 26 01:37:35 <Jack87-wIRC> when I read about boot time game loads and such some casses ssd was faster other hdd but very minimal
Nov 26 01:37:59 <Jack87-wIRC> I like ssd but not worth qhat they cost. not even close
Nov 26 01:38:20 <sryan> Yeah I'm not sure where the bottleneck in game loading is....
Nov 26 01:38:26 <sryan> probably still processor
Nov 26 01:38:40 <jauderho_> see http://echeng.com/journal/2008/03/19/macbook-pro-with-mtron-msd-3000-32gb-ssd-drive/ for some times on a macbook
Nov 26 01:39:08 <Jack87-wIRC> none the less jauderho_ that's 32gb
Nov 26 01:39:15 <Jack87-wIRC> do you realize that?
Nov 26 01:39:27 <jauderho_> yes that's also an old post...
Nov 26 01:39:38 <jauderho_> I would expect things to have improved.
Nov 26 01:39:50 <jauderho_> but then again ssd is like the scaling patches... YMMV =)
Nov 26 01:43:06 <Robi_> 0.3.0
Nov 26 01:44:17 <dBsooner> Are all the "Unreleased" apps/services in the 'testing' repo?
Nov 26 01:45:09 <Jack87-wIRC> dBsooner: I think puffy said freetether was
Nov 26 01:45:47 <dBsooner> Well, Precorder, Freetether, Freetetherd, backup service, etc.
Nov 26 02:01:22 <jauderho_> laters
Nov 26 02:08:29 <Robi_> dBsooner: there are wiki page on where/how to add those repos
Nov 26 02:08:40 <Robi_> since preware ui doens't yet
Nov 26 02:10:20 * Robi_ turns off themes
Nov 26 02:12:08 <en0x> wtf
Nov 26 02:12:15 <en0x> there is a virtual keyboard in app catalog
Nov 26 02:12:37 <Robi_> zsoc: vnice script for precorder bootstrap
Nov 26 02:12:49 <Robi_> en0x: free?
Nov 26 02:12:57 <Robi_> it better be
Nov 26 02:13:50 <en0x>  nope
Nov 26 02:13:53 <en0x> 2 bucks i guess
Nov 26 02:13:57 <Robi_> haah
Nov 26 02:14:07 <en0x> lemme double check
Nov 26 02:14:08 <dBsooner> Robi_: I very aware of how to setup a conf file for the repo, my question was if the stuff in the build.git/unreleased/* were in the testing repo or a different one.
Nov 26 02:14:25 <en0x> .99
Nov 26 02:14:28 <en0x> 1 buck
Nov 26 02:14:29 <en0x> :p
Nov 26 02:14:46 <Robi_> dBsooner: oh I know you know, hence i'm asking where the instructinos are since I dont :P
Nov 26 02:18:03 <Robi_> ah /var/etc
Nov 26 02:18:14 <Robi_> ipkg/
Nov 26 02:19:05 <Templarian> I need some help on a subjective of naming, it's mostly subjective. http://pastie.org/715583
Nov 26 02:20:35 <Robi_> dBsooner: http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/all
Nov 26 02:24:53 * Templarian figured it out, easy.
Nov 26 02:37:23 <dBsooner> echo "src/gz webosinternals http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/all" > /var/etc/ipkg/web
Nov 26 02:37:23 <dBsooner> os-internals-testing.conf
Nov 26 02:38:35 <dBsooner> woops.. Robi: echo "src/gz webosinternals-testing http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/all" > /var/etc/ipkg/webos-internals-testing.conf
Nov 26 02:38:40 <rwhitby> dBsooner: yes, unreleased -> testing
Nov 26 02:38:49 <dBsooner> yeah, I figured it out. :D
Nov 26 02:39:29 <rwhitby> en0x: virtual keyboard in palm app catalog?
Nov 26 02:41:06 <dBsooner> rwhitby: how do we troubleshoot Precentral's xml?
Nov 26 02:41:28 <rwhitby> dBsooner: feed or themes?
Nov 26 02:41:33 <dBsooner> feed
Nov 26 02:41:41 <dBsooner> is that all on them?
Nov 26 02:41:51 <rwhitby> what's missing?
Nov 26 02:42:25 <dBsooner> Nothing is missing, it's a problem I am coming across.
Nov 26 02:42:35 <en0x> rwhitby, right
Nov 26 02:42:49 <dBsooner> I think they are timestamping inproperly.
Nov 26 02:44:41 <dBsooner> rwhitby: I update my feeds at least twice a day, and I always install all my updates..
Nov 26 02:44:58 <dBsooner> rwhitby: but every now and then Precentral's Apps feed will give me an "update" to an app..
Nov 26 02:45:08 <dBsooner> Like Right now..
Nov 26 02:45:23 <Rick_work> rwhitby have a chance to look at the sprint presentation? or are you also put off by the fact that it's "silverlight only." ?
Nov 26 02:45:40 <WillJitsu> why are the patches in Preware all showing as updated today? they're also in alphabetical order
Nov 26 02:46:11 <dBsooner> "Older": WootOn! v0.1.0, "Last Updated 8/16/09 9:32 AM". My INSTALLED version is 0.0.2. Why wasn't i told about this "update" before?
Nov 26 02:46:27 * en0x is watching the sprint presentation
Nov 26 02:46:48 <Rick_work> en0x I will be happy to hear any comments, especially about the q&a at the end.
Nov 26 02:47:01 <dBsooner> Another: "Last Week": SecuStore v0.9.3, "Last Updated: 11/13/09 10:20 AM". My INSTALLED version is 0.9.2. Why is it just now telling me?
Nov 26 02:47:13 <dBsooner> I think they keep the "Last Updated" time the same ever when there is an update.
Nov 26 02:47:19 <rwhitby> Rick_work: watching your talk right now in fact
Nov 26 02:47:43 <Rick_work> really hope for some comments rwhitby
Nov 26 02:47:52 <dBsooner> rwhitby: Which makes Preware list them improperly. I.E. As "Older", "Last Week", "Yesterday", etc.
Nov 26 02:48:17 <dBsooner> I am assuming they aren't updating that timestamp when the user updates the pacakge in their gallery.
Nov 26 02:49:33 <rwhitby> dBsooner: dunno
Nov 26 02:49:47 <dBsooner> rwhitby: Which is why I asked: "How do we troubleshoot"?
Nov 26 02:49:55 <dBsooner> I havne't seen Dieter on all day.
Nov 26 02:51:19 <rwhitby> dBsooner: we look at the xml and see if it reflects reality
Nov 26 02:51:49 <rwhitby> in the past, it has pretty much always reflected reality.
Nov 26 02:53:02 <dBsooner> Yeah, it does now too.
Nov 26 02:53:09 * Rick_work going to make coffee since the waiting for reviews is killing me.
Nov 26 02:53:09 <en0x> w0w
Nov 26 02:53:10 <dBsooner> So is it a bug in the PMS?
Nov 26 02:53:24 <Rick_work> en0x ???
Nov 26 02:53:27 <en0x> thats a huge jump on precorder gui just by adding video launcher app
Nov 26 02:53:33 <en0x> 0.2.3 to 0.3.0 :D
Nov 26 02:53:57 <en0x> Rick_work, i'm in 20min of the conf
Nov 26 02:54:10 <Rick_work> en0x  I'm going to make coffee
Nov 26 02:55:28 <en0x> zsoc, why so huge version jump? :P
Nov 26 02:58:04 <dBsooner> Who's in the mood to develop a new app?
Nov 26 02:58:14 * dBsooner wants a RadioReference.com app
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