**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Nov 26 02:59:56 2009
Nov 26 03:00:55 <sslow_> somebody help.. my emulator is going crazy... I keep getting an error that says /var/usr/bin/patch: line1: elf
Nov 26 03:01:03 <sslow_> not found
Nov 26 03:01:39 <sslow_> line 2 syntax error unexpected
Nov 26 03:02:29 <sslow_> this happens when i try to install a patch...any patch
Nov 26 03:03:53 <sslow_> ive tried removing sdk and vb and reinstall stiil no go
Nov 26 03:03:57 <rwhitby> sslow_: did you install the correct package on the emulator ?  i686?
Nov 26 03:05:56 <sslow_> not sure whre do I look
Nov 26 03:06:08 <sslow_> whre=where
Nov 26 03:07:52 <Rick_work> sslow_  from a command line do
Nov 26 03:07:57 <Rick_work> palm-emulator --reset
Nov 26 03:07:57 <WillJitsu> dang that lime nick color is impossible to read in wIRC
Nov 26 03:08:33 <lyht> So I am having a terrible time with the app catalog telling me I dont have room, but mvapp says I have only used 18%
Nov 26 03:09:01 <Rick_work> total usage in var?
Nov 26 03:10:27 * dBsooner wants this app on the pre! : http://appadvice.com/app/333246187
Nov 26 03:10:35 <sslow_> rick_work: palm emulator not found
Nov 26 03:10:44 <rwhitby> sslow_: how did you install Patch on the emulator?
Nov 26 03:10:57 <sslow_> WOSQI
Nov 26 03:10:59 <lyht> Rick_work: 18% used in var.
Nov 26 03:11:00 <Rick_work> sslow_ palm-emulator
Nov 26 03:11:09 <Rick_work> lyht how many BYTES
Nov 26 03:11:20 <Rick_work> sslow_ you may have to find it
Nov 26 03:11:21 <rwhitby> sslow_: aha - first mistake.  install preware first, then use preware.
Nov 26 03:11:33 <lyht> 253920     45380    208540  18% /var
Nov 26 03:11:43 <Rick_work> lyht  you have preware installed, a current version?
Nov 26 03:11:47 <lyht> yup
Nov 26 03:11:53 <rwhitby> lyht: go into preware prefs, and turn the partial app limit fix off
Nov 26 03:11:58 <lyht> ok
Nov 26 03:12:54 <Rick_work> zsoc?
Nov 26 03:12:54 <rwhitby> sslow_: my guess is that either you or wosqi has installed arm binaries on the emulator
Nov 26 03:12:59 <lyht> it was already off. I guess I turned it off earlier in my attempt to fix the problem.
Nov 26 03:13:37 <Rick_work> rwhitby sslow_  and an palm-emulator --reset will fix all that by taking the emulator back to zero
Nov 26 03:14:48 <rwhitby> lyht: dunno then - you're less than 64MiB used, and more than 100MiB free, so you shouldn't be running up against either of the app limits
Nov 26 03:15:32 <lyht> any way some patch could have broken something? That was my next test to turn off all the patches.
Nov 26 03:16:08 <rwhitby> lyht: I doubt it
Nov 26 03:17:38 <en0x> Rick_work, good stuff
Nov 26 03:17:52 <Rick_work> thanks.
Nov 26 03:18:10 <rwhitby> Rick_work: up to the question section.  great presentation!
Nov 26 03:18:17 <Rick_work> presentation skills adiquate, message on target?
Nov 26 03:18:28 <en0x> gee this virtual keyboard from app catalog suck ass
Nov 26 03:18:29 <Rick_work> rwhitby questions the best part I think.
Nov 26 03:18:30 <sslow_> still getting the same error w/ WOSQI and PreWare
Nov 26 03:18:35 <Rick_work> LAST quesiton the best best part.
Nov 26 03:18:57 <en0x> about publically visible code
Nov 26 03:18:58 <en0x> ;0
Nov 26 03:19:00 <sslow_> palm-emulator --reset from command comes back palm-emulator not found
Nov 26 03:19:42 <en0x> the keyboard takes the whole screen
Nov 26 03:19:43 <en0x> :S
Nov 26 03:19:53 <rwhitby> Rick_work: thanks for repeating the questions, BTW.
Nov 26 03:20:12 <Rick_work> rwhitby you're welcome.  I hate it when people don't do that.
Nov 26 03:22:03 <en0x> Rick_work, were there a lot of ppl on the conf?
Nov 26 03:22:51 <en0x> s/on/at
Nov 26 03:23:29 <Rick_work> there were 1200 registeres, actual attendance about 800.  about 35 in my breakout
Nov 26 03:23:50 <en0x> i see
Nov 26 03:24:21 <en0x> good to see somebody it talking about the "homebrewers:
Nov 26 03:24:29 <rwhitby> Rick_work: big room for 35 people
Nov 26 03:25:01 <lyht> so, I can't remember and I cant find it. How do I enable write-access?
Nov 26 03:26:04 <Rick_work> all the rooms were massivlt oversized
Nov 26 03:26:33 <Rick_work> afk
Nov 26 03:26:34 <sslow_> rwhitby:Rick_Work:
Nov 26 03:26:39 <sslow_> still getting the same error w/ WOSQI and PreWare
Nov 26 03:26:51 <sslow_> palm-emulator --reset from command comes back palm-emulator not found
Nov 26 03:27:31 <rwhitby> sslow_: use the documentation for your specific OS, and the Palm SDK documentation, to find out how to get to the right location to run that command
Nov 26 03:28:43 <lyht> n.m... found it.
Nov 26 03:29:33 <en0x> hmm
Nov 26 03:29:39 <rwhitby> Rick_work: my feedback is it was a great, relaxed, knowledgeable presentation.
Nov 26 03:30:56 <en0x> :)
Nov 26 03:31:11 <en0x> hmm
Nov 26 03:31:24 <en0x> is it only me or Luna has memory leak
Nov 26 03:32:15 <Templarian> Rick_work: I watched your presentation earlier, great job.
Nov 26 03:32:23 <Templarian> Very well spoken.
Nov 26 03:33:03 <Rick_work> back
Nov 26 03:42:19 <ird> net split!
Nov 26 03:46:20 <sdboogie> whos loving the camcorder progress?
Nov 26 03:47:02 <lyht> I played with it yesterday, and thought it was awesome. Any changes?
Nov 26 03:48:07 <ird> I think zsoc posted something about maybe an update tonight, but it could have been an older post.
Nov 26 03:49:16 <lyht> really, as soon as there is a way to preview while recording, it is as good as I would want.
Nov 26 03:49:26 <rwhitby> lyht: re-read the wiki page ;-)
Nov 26 03:49:42 <rwhitby> ird: launch button should be working soon
Nov 26 03:50:30 <en0x> launch button is working
Nov 26 03:50:30 <en0x> ;P
Nov 26 03:50:42 <en0x> well precorder 0.3.0 is in testing feed :p
Nov 26 03:51:36 <ird> What is the button supposed to launch?
Nov 26 03:51:44 <lyht> rwhitby: you mean "It does not have a viewfinder, cause we technically do not know how to do that (yet?). " Yah, I know.
Nov 26 03:52:53 <lyht> really, even without that, it is rocktastick!
Nov 26 03:54:11 <ird> Oh nevermind.
Nov 26 03:54:14 <ird> It's what I thought.
Nov 26 03:54:46 <rwhitby> en0x: ah, good.  I hadn't tested it before packaging the new version.
Nov 26 03:55:30 <rwhitby> lyht: viewfinder is a *serious* technical hurdle.
Nov 26 03:55:47 <en0x> rwhitby, but why so huge version jump? :P
Nov 26 03:55:53 <en0x> it should be 0.2.3.1
Nov 26 03:55:53 <en0x> :P
Nov 26 03:56:13 <sdboogie> I haven't seen the video of the sprint ADC Conference...anyone see it?
Nov 26 03:56:29 <sdboogie> what did they talk about?
Nov 26 03:56:33 <ird> rwhitby: Why can't you do it the same way as the camera app?
Nov 26 03:56:55 <rwhitby> ird: cause we don't have the source code to the palm binaries
Nov 26 03:57:15 <rwhitby> sdboogie: it's a great presentation by Rick.
Nov 26 03:57:42 <rwhitby> en0x: middle version number is a functionality change (in this case, launching).  last number is a bugfix only.
Nov 26 03:57:58 <ird> rwhitby: Ah. I thought that was the case.
Nov 26 03:58:33 <rwhitby> ird: zsoc would be able to give you the detailed technical reason, but you have to understand gstreamer sources and sinks before asking :-)
Nov 26 03:58:53 <greg_roll> rwhitby: any luck with testing the app cat theory?
Nov 26 03:59:33 <rwhitby> greg_roll: still recovering from the disk controller catastrophe
Nov 26 03:59:52 <greg_roll> rwhitby: bugger no good :( Ill leave you to it!
Nov 26 03:59:53 <rwhitby> (that machine has autobuilders for 4 different projects on it)
Nov 26 03:59:59 <ird> rwhitby: Most people would consider "Not having the source to the binaries"  a technical explanation :p
Nov 26 04:00:12 <rwhitby> ird: :-)
Nov 26 04:03:03 <greg_roll> anyone here with a GSM Pre?
Nov 26 04:03:51 <bpadalino> rwhitby, ever get yours ?
Nov 26 04:04:17 <rwhitby> bpadalino: nope, lost in transit courtesy of DHL
Nov 26 04:04:36 <bpadalino> ouch
Nov 26 04:04:38 <bpadalino> :(
Nov 26 04:04:52 <rwhitby> fully insured, but long administrative process to claim
Nov 26 04:05:05 <rwhitby> luckily, Stefan is handling it all in Germany.
Nov 26 04:05:14 <bpadalino> at least the price comes down in the meantime ?
Nov 26 04:05:36 <rwhitby> bpadalino: maybe in the meantime a qwerty unlocked gsm is released somewhere else in the world.
Nov 26 04:05:47 <bpadalino> :)
Nov 26 04:06:28 <greg_roll> I should has really said anyone here with a Pre that has the 1.3.1 app catalog issue?
Nov 26 04:06:31 <rwhitby> i use the cdma pre for reading email in the morning, and im alerts when at home
Nov 26 04:07:06 <bpadalino> sounds like you're getting some good use out of it
Nov 26 04:07:47 * rwhitby bbiab
Nov 26 04:09:13 <Templarian> The precentral site has a bug, sure they've seen it though.
Nov 26 04:09:43 <Templarian> The download count is only correct in the app list view, not on an apps specific page.
Nov 26 04:55:43 <Decimate> have you guys checked the app catalog?
Nov 26 04:56:39 <Decimate> no one?
Nov 26 04:56:49 <ird> why?
Nov 26 04:57:17 <Decimate> theres a virtual keyboard app for .99....
Nov 26 04:57:32 <ird> I think someone was talking about that earlier.
Nov 26 04:57:37 <Decimate> description said it works in email and sms, landscape
Nov 26 04:57:54 <Abyssul> nonsense....
Nov 26 04:58:16 <Rick_work> impossble
Nov 26 04:58:26 <Rick_work> Any reviews?
Nov 26 04:58:48 <gkatsev> haha, if you look at the screenshots, its not an actual virtual keyboard.
Nov 26 04:58:51 <Decimate> lol, at the end, it sayis "NOTE: Replying to emails and SMS messages requires sending the response to the clipboard and pasting it in the corresponding application"
Nov 26 04:59:02 <gkatsev> basically, its a keyboard that you can send send the text via email or sms
Nov 26 04:59:19 <gkatsev> FAIL
Nov 26 04:59:20 <Decimate> lol, yeah, thats trash
Nov 26 04:59:52 <gkatsev> why the hell did someone even bother writing a "mirror" app? the pre comes with its own goddamn mirror!
Nov 26 05:00:05 <ird> there's a mirror app?
Nov 26 05:00:10 <gkatsev> pMirror
Nov 26 05:00:17 <gkatsev> at least its free
Nov 26 05:00:21 <gkatsev> also, 2 fart apps
Nov 26 05:00:29 <gkatsev> but hey, almost 500 apps
Nov 26 05:00:33 <Abyssul> These apps are stupid
Nov 26 05:00:47 <gkatsev> the only somewhat useful one is the graphing calculator one
Nov 26 05:00:48 <Abyssul> A app with David and Golith wallpapers? wtf?
Nov 26 05:01:15 <ird>  The app catalog makes me sad.
Nov 26 05:01:29 <Abyssul> What about Contact Capture?
Nov 26 05:01:35 <Abyssul> Is it useful at all?
Nov 26 05:01:52 <gkatsev> has anyone paid for apps from the catalog yet?
Nov 26 05:02:02 <Abyssul> Nope
Nov 26 05:02:05 <Rick_work> I have
Nov 26 05:02:08 <Mark_M> I paid for Feeds
Nov 26 05:02:09 <Abyssul> Only WhereismyPre service
Nov 26 05:02:26 <Mark_M> and Twee
Nov 26 05:02:37 <gkatsev> yeah, twee was tempting
Nov 26 05:02:41 <ird> I bought twee and habla.
Nov 26 05:02:52 <ird> and weatherman
Nov 26 05:02:58 <Decimate> WOG Card Keeper looks nice
Nov 26 05:03:01 <gkatsev> so, basically, there are <10 apps worth buying...
Nov 26 05:03:23 <Decimate> lack of a credit card, or even being able to own a credit card stops me
Nov 26 05:03:24 <Abyssul> I thought GPS coordinates where automatically adds to pictures?
Nov 26 05:03:37 <gkatsev> Decimate: why can you not own a credit card?
Nov 26 05:03:48 <Decimate> gkatsev: im 14
Nov 26 05:03:56 <Abyssul> Get a debt card
Nov 26 05:03:57 <gkatsev> ah, lol
Nov 26 05:03:59 <Abyssul> debit*
Nov 26 05:04:08 <Decimate> meh, i guess i could
Nov 26 05:04:24 <gkatsev> Abyssul: debt card? since you are going to be in debt anyway, get a debt card to pay for your debts ahead of time?
Nov 26 05:04:26 <Abyssul> I've had one ever since I got a job when I was 14
Nov 26 05:04:32 <Abyssul> debit card...
Nov 26 05:04:41 <Decimate> i wonder if those visa giftcards would work
Nov 26 05:04:43 <gkatsev> Abyssul: lol, i know.
Nov 26 05:05:00 <Abyssul> credit cards are pretty much debt cards in disguise :p
Nov 26 05:05:04 <ird> Decimate: Get a prepaid debit card.
Nov 26 05:05:08 <Abyssul> ^ yep
Nov 26 05:05:13 <gkatsev> Decimate: you could also get a joint creditcard with parents.
Nov 26 05:05:34 <ird> You couldn't pay me to own a credit card.
Nov 26 05:05:43 <gkatsev> ird: why?
Nov 26 05:06:02 <ird> I do this thing where I don't spend money I don't have :p
Nov 26 05:06:27 <ird> also
Nov 26 05:06:28 <ird> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDe4v318f64
Nov 26 05:06:29 <a2ny-wirc> hi all
Nov 26 05:07:09 <Abyssul> Wow, the virtual keyboard app sucks
Nov 26 05:07:15 <gkatsev> yeah, same here. i actually only have 1 credit card, which i got because it gives me a lot of points. so, instead of having it go directly from my bank account (via visa checkcard or cash), i pay with credit card which gives me points. I also always pay it off completely at the end of the month, so...
Nov 26 05:07:55 <a2ny-wirc> yeah its cool innovation. but integration sucks.
Nov 26 05:07:59 <ird> I just don't want the temptation.
Nov 26 05:09:28 <gkatsev> ird: i guess, but there are valid reasons to have a credit card as well. its really hard to build up credit without a credit card. Also, im not saying get like 25 cards. All you really need is one. In fact, ive only got a credit card recently (5 months ago) so that I could buy computer parts since visa has good coverege against scams and stuff, plus my visa double warranty on pretty much everything.
Nov 26 05:11:33 <gkatsev> also, apparently js might get file access soon via an api.
Nov 26 05:14:05 <Technobabble> gkatsev, there's also resources on the web that tell you how to get the optimum credit score
Nov 26 05:14:28 <Technobabble> i think more than 1 card is ideal, with less than 30% of their max used, with on-time payments for as long as possible
Nov 26 05:15:07 <Technobabble> i'm no expert, but it's on the web if you feel like lookin it up
Nov 26 05:16:30 <dBsooner-Pre> rwhitby: both the freetether and precorder can't find their services in preware. both fail to install.
Nov 26 05:20:59 <Abyssul> Got my first chance to mess with the Pre at the sprint store :)
Nov 26 05:21:03 <Abyssul> I mean pixi lol
Nov 26 05:23:21 <rwhitby> dBsooner-Pre: neither are in the preware public feeds
Nov 26 05:24:07 <dBsooner-Pre> rwhitby: not even the testing?
Nov 26 05:24:18 <rwhitby> dBsooner-Pre: my guess is that you don't have the armv7 testing feed configured
Nov 26 05:24:21 <Robi_> dBsooner-Pre: ya i made the testing repo but added the armv7 bit too, i dont see any testing apps in preware tho
Nov 26 05:24:42 <rwhitby> pastebin your webos-internals-testing.conf please
Nov 26 05:25:09 <dBsooner-Pre> I added the testing/all feed.. but didn't add the arm7
Nov 26 05:25:29 <dBsooner-Pre> I'll put testing/arm7 in there too.
Nov 26 05:26:27 <rwhitby> you wont get services with binaries without it ...
Nov 26 05:29:16 <Robi_> head testing.conf
Nov 26 05:29:16 <Robi_> src/gz webosinternals http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/all
Nov 26 05:29:19 <Robi_> src/gz webosinternals-armv7 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/armv7
Nov 26 05:29:32 <Templarian> Why were people commenting about silverlight... (doesn't it work on other platforms?)
Nov 26 05:30:20 <Decimate> just tried out the backup app
Nov 26 05:30:26 <Decimate> made a 80mb backup in less then a minute
Nov 26 05:30:28 <Decimate> pretty smooth.
Nov 26 05:30:33 <Robi_> bah, found a problem with changing the Pre browser user-agent, sprint doens't recognize it as a valid device to enable services for
Nov 26 05:30:47 <gkatsev> Templarian: windows only. though, mono now has a beta for their silverlight 2 clone
Nov 26 05:31:14 <gkatsev> Templarian: sorry, works on MacOSX now as well.
Nov 26 05:31:39 <Decimate> i wonder if its possible to hide pages?
Nov 26 05:32:01 <Decimate> like, make a page so when you scroll through pages, it just skips it
Nov 26 05:32:02 <Decimate> you dont even see it
Nov 26 05:32:25 * Templarian thinks peoples are lazy. Silverlight > Flash (good to see the Mono people think the same).
Nov 26 05:38:03 <Decimate> hmm, it has to be possible
Nov 26 05:43:21 * Templarian finally got http://pastie.org/715714 to work (easy, but still took a little bit to fully integrate).
Nov 26 05:46:29 <Robi_> i take it the preware update once a day is not ready yet
Nov 26 05:49:53 <Robi_> dBsooner-Pre: get it working? i cant find any packages from testing that are recent, like freetether or palmprebackup
Nov 26 05:50:08 <Robi_> within preware that is
Nov 26 05:51:10 <dBsooner> how do I know what error ipkg is having?
Nov 26 05:51:29 <dBsooner> An error ocurred, return value: 10
Nov 26 05:52:46 <Robi_> there's a log
Nov 26 05:52:56 <sslow> is precorder 0.3.0 up yet
Nov 26 05:52:56 <Robi_> i dont get an error
Nov 26 05:53:02 <Robi_> sslow: yeah
Nov 26 05:53:15 <sslow> got a link?
Nov 26 05:53:29 <Robi_> the wiki page has a nice script to get the latest
Nov 26 05:53:39 <sslow> thanks
Nov 26 05:53:45 <Robi_> np
Nov 26 05:54:00 <Robi_> woo, found a touchstone kit for < $50
Nov 26 06:00:31 <dBsooner> Robi_: mine are workng fine
Nov 26 06:00:57 <dBsooner> I see backup utility, installed precroder, installing freether now
Nov 26 06:01:15 <Robi_> argh, i dunno what i did fron then
Nov 26 06:01:24 <Robi_> s/from/wrong
Nov 26 06:01:26 <dBsooner> do an ipkg -o /var update on command line
Nov 26 06:01:35 <dBsooner> I was getting an error during update
Nov 26 06:01:43 <dBsooner> which was causing the feeds not to populate
Nov 26 06:02:13 <Robi_> no error
Nov 26 06:02:24 <dBsooner> ipkg -o /var | grep tether
Nov 26 06:02:26 <dBsooner> should see 2
Nov 26 06:02:31 <dBsooner> ack
Nov 26 06:02:35 <dBsooner> ipkg -o /var list | grep tether
Nov 26 06:03:04 <Robi_> ya i get 3 since i have mythether to
Nov 26 06:03:05 <Robi_> o
Nov 26 06:03:21 <dBsooner> where are youlooking in preware?
Nov 26 06:03:30 <dBsooner> I looked under "List of Everything"
Nov 26 06:03:36 <Robi_> yes
Nov 26 06:03:42 <dBsooner> dunno then
Nov 26 06:03:57 <Robi_> i only get my tether as unknown
Nov 26 06:05:59 <Robi_> ha now it works, i had to disable the "fix unknown" setting in prewaer
Nov 26 06:06:24 <Robi_> oh the cpu scaling patches just got an update with skull'n'bones nice
Nov 26 06:07:21 <rwhitby> Robi_: regarding your testing.conf - you need to change the second field too
Nov 26 06:08:20 <Robi_> rwhitby: change it how? i have it working
Nov 26 06:08:35 <rwhitby> Robi_: the second field is the unique id - you just clobbered the real feeds
Nov 26 06:09:03 <Robi_> ohh
Nov 26 06:09:31 <Robi_> src/gz webosinternals-testing http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/tes$
Nov 26 06:09:34 <Robi_> src/gz webosinternals-testing-armv7 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-interna$
Nov 26 06:09:35 <rwhitby> yep
Nov 26 06:10:14 <Robi_> kk
Nov 26 06:14:54 <Robi_> uhh wish i could tab in terminal
Nov 26 06:15:41 <Robi_> wondering why i lost wifi...  powersave script kicked in, went to airplane mode ;]
Nov 26 06:16:22 <zsoc> rwhitby, i can't keep up with the thread. nothing crazy going on i imagine?
Nov 26 06:16:29 <Robi_> rwhitby: the update once daily thing isnt working right yet, right?
Nov 26 06:16:34 <zsoc> I figure you're the king of backlogs, you must love 20 page long threads
Nov 26 06:16:49 <Rick_work> Robi_ tab in terminal is gesture area i
Nov 26 06:16:58 <rwhitby> Robi_: right
Nov 26 06:17:03 <rwhitby> zsoc: seems fine
Nov 26 06:17:06 <Robi_> Rick_work: oh wow, i tried 6 other combos, never that one
Nov 26 06:17:24 <rwhitby> Robi_: there's a menu item which lists the,
Nov 26 06:17:43 <zsoc> rwhitby, k, i don't suppose there's a 'thanksgiving' in australia, atleast not tomorrow. i'll hit you up when i need the service repackaged
Nov 26 06:17:55 <Robi_> zsoc: nice work on 030, i see you left space for when the preview window gets figured out
Nov 26 06:17:56 <rwhitby> zsoc: nope, normal weekend here.
Nov 26 06:18:20 <rwhitby> zsoc: you really need to write "There will not be a preview window here" in that space ;-)
Nov 26 06:18:25 <Robi_> "i'm thankful i'm not a turkey"
Nov 26 06:18:30 <Rick_work> zsoc -- please pretty please attempt an english description of why there is not a viewfinder
Nov 26 06:18:47 <Rick_work> it you will tell me, I will be happy to write it out nice.
Nov 26 06:19:00 <zsoc> Rick_work, I have. I've told everyone. I've tried being more techincal. I've tried being less technical. I don't know what else to say.
Nov 26 06:19:09 <rwhitby> Rick_work: my limited understanding is you can't split a gstreamer sink without access to Palm source code.
Nov 26 06:19:20 <Rick_work> ok
Nov 26 06:19:22 <zsoc> Rick_work, what rwhitby said is probably the most concise way to put it
Nov 26 06:19:28 <Rick_work> what's a gstreamer sink?
Nov 26 06:19:41 <zsoc> Rick_work, it's the place the pipeline ends up.
Nov 26 06:19:49 <Robi_> make a stream tap
Nov 26 06:19:49 <Rick_work> ok
Nov 26 06:19:50 <zsoc> Rick_work, in this case, the pipeline is the bitstream from the camera
Nov 26 06:19:51 <rwhitby> the video stream can't be diverted to both viewfinder and file without access to palm source code
Nov 26 06:20:17 <rwhitby> Robi_: patches welcome ;-)
Nov 26 06:20:19 <Robi_> OR
Nov 26 06:20:21 <Rick_work> and the phone doesn't have enough oomph to read back the file and display it at the same time it's writing it.
Nov 26 06:20:41 <Robi_> plop the stream onto the screen, then write it
Nov 26 06:20:43 <zsoc> rwhitby, er, it _probably_ can't be diverted. The problem is even if I do tee it, i then need to get palmvideosink (closed source) to sink without using an unavailable mediaserver api, so it's getting into directfb territory
Nov 26 06:20:55 <zsoc> Rick_work, nothing to do with the phone, it just doesn't work that way
Nov 26 06:20:56 <Robi_> slower writing but hey, snappy viewfinder
Nov 26 06:21:09 <rwhitby> Robi_: got the APIs for all that?
Nov 26 06:21:15 <Rick_work> zsoc,  ok,  let me ask that in a different way.
Nov 26 06:21:18 <zsoc> Robi_, how would you write data that's sinked to the screen?
Nov 26 06:21:25 <zsoc> Rick_work, please do
Nov 26 06:21:45 <Robi_> screen scrape? :P (ugly)
Nov 26 06:21:56 <Rick_work> right
Nov 26 06:22:02 <zsoc> No, it wouldn't work.
Nov 26 06:22:04 <Rick_work> I have two different questions zsoc
Nov 26 06:22:31 <Rick_work> question 1:  you can certainly write a 10 second video to the filesystem.
Nov 26 06:22:38 <rwhitby> create a mirror, which you mount in front of the screen, and it reflects the image back to the camera lens, thereby getting two streams, one of which can go to the screen, and the other can go to the file.
Nov 26 06:22:50 <zsoc> There are so many limitations to that i don't even know where to begin.
Nov 26 06:22:50 <zsoc> Will everyone shut up if i spend a day researching it? :P
Nov 26 06:22:59 <Rick_work> and you can, on the conclusion of that, display the resulting video on the screen.
Nov 26 06:23:03 <zsoc> rwhitby, YOU ARE A GENIUS. PUT IT IN ON THE MAP.
Nov 26 06:23:09 <zsoc> Rick_work, that's not a question
Nov 26 06:23:12 <rwhitby> zsoc: you just need to answer "Not enough unicorn blood"
Nov 26 06:23:26 <Rick_work> zsoc the quesiton is coming.
Nov 26 06:23:37 <zsoc> Rick_work, no you can't. think of what you just said
Nov 26 06:24:09 <zsoc> Rick_work, the only way to 'show a video on the screen' is to use the 'video player', which is MediaServer territory, you can only play it IN the video player
Nov 26 06:24:20 <zsoc> AND that uses the same sink you're using to record it
Nov 26 06:24:26 <Rick_work> ahhhh
Nov 26 06:24:27 <Rick_work> thank you
Nov 26 06:24:31 <zsoc> How do you think the pre plays videos? That's Gstreamer too
Nov 26 06:24:32 <Rick_work> that's the piece I didn't have
Nov 26 06:24:45 <Rick_work> and there's only one copy of gstreamer
Nov 26 06:24:49 <Rick_work> and that's your problem?
Nov 26 06:24:59 <rwhitby> zsoc: cool - now you can answer "Just ask Rick.' ;-)
Nov 26 06:25:18 <zsoc> Rick_work, no it's not there. There's only 1 phone
Nov 26 06:25:18 <zsoc> Rick_work, 1 camera, 1 speaker, 1 mic, 1 screen
Nov 26 06:25:18 <zsoc> Gstreamer just accesses those things
Nov 26 06:25:25 <zsoc> rwhitby, heh
Nov 26 06:25:40 <zsoc> There's about 50 different ways to explain this. Hell, next time I think I will start making things up that sound fancy
Nov 26 06:26:04 <zsoc> All of that being said, it's not impossible. By version 1.0.0 I'll have it
Nov 26 06:26:10 <rwhitby> zsoc: tell them that you would need to overclock to 700MHz to get a viewfinder
Nov 26 06:26:19 * zsoc (btw version 1.0.0 is when palm releases their version)
Nov 26 06:26:19 <Rick_work> ok, let me try the english explanation again, and if it's close to write, as in NOT HORRIBLY WRONG we will go with it.
Nov 26 06:26:33 <zsoc|away> make it snappy
Nov 26 06:26:37 <ird> Needs a flux capacitor
Nov 26 06:26:53 <Rick_work> there is a program in the Palm Linux called gstreamer
Nov 26 06:27:00 <Rick_work> which we do not have the source code to.
Nov 26 06:27:01 <Robi_> there's only 1 sync
Nov 26 06:27:06 <rwhitby> ird: no, the current precorder already uses a flux capacitor - for a viewfinder it needs two, and the Pre only has one installed.
Nov 26 06:27:08 <zsoc|away> Rick_work, sure we have the source code
Nov 26 06:27:12 <zsoc|away> Rick_work, gstreamer is open source
Nov 26 06:27:19 <ird> rwhitby: oic
Nov 26 06:27:22 <zsoc|away> Robi_, and it's a sink. My sync is working fine ;)
Nov 26 06:27:31 <Robi_> haha
Nov 26 06:27:32 <Rick_work> this program is the one and only path to move video information around on the phone.
Nov 26 06:27:36 <rwhitby> zsoc|away: except when mytether is respawning
Nov 26 06:27:37 <zsoc|away> Rick_work, hell part of the service is a patch to a gstreamer executable
Nov 26 06:27:46 <zsoc|away> rwhitby, heh
Nov 26 06:27:55 <zsoc|away> so true
Nov 26 06:28:07 <Rick_work> so, when we connect the pipe from the video camera to the recording software that encodes it, the ONE AND ONLY PIPE is in use from the camera to the file system
Nov 26 06:28:16 <zsoc|away> Rick_work, right, sort of
Nov 26 06:28:18 <zsoc|away> close enough
Nov 26 06:28:27 <Rick_work> so, there's no pipe available to connect the camera to the display or the filesystem to the display
Nov 26 06:28:39 <ird> I wish xchat would crash.
Nov 26 06:28:40 <zsoc|away> That problem would generally be easily fixable
Nov 26 06:28:43 <zsoc|away> ird, me too
Nov 26 06:29:08 <zsoc|away> Rick_work, the issue is the 'generally easily fix' isn't easy when you're dealing with Luna. If webos ran on X it would take me 45 seconds to do
Nov 26 06:29:22 <Robi_> ird: rename it to mirc.exe and see what happens
Nov 26 06:29:24 <Rick_work> and until someone write a way to put a "y" connector in,  to "split" the output of gstreamer, then the output of the gstreamer can't go both places.
Nov 26 06:29:31 <zsoc|away> In Luna, you're dealing with Palm's binaries and closed-source methods. With either no, or unusable, apis.
Nov 26 06:29:53 <Robi_> zsoc|away: any palm devs chime in with ideas?
Nov 26 06:29:54 <zsoc|away> Rick_work, you would have to patch a palm binary. ajames could do it, but honestly i don't think rod would let me use the patch anyway ;)
Nov 26 06:30:08 <cryptk-pre> ... at the store... last minute shopping... how did I let my wife talk me into this.
Nov 26 06:30:13 <zsoc|away> Robi_, palm devs already fixed it. hell it would take them 47 seconds :P they just have more important things
Nov 26 06:30:17 <zsoc|away> WHY AM I STILL HERE
Nov 26 06:30:17 <zsoc|away> sleep
Nov 26 06:30:23 <Rick_work> this would be easy to fix under some other GUI, but under the closed palm webos-mojo gui, there are reasons why that's hard in this system.
Nov 26 06:30:35 <Rick_work> ok,
Nov 26 06:30:40 <zsoc|away> Rick_work, the work around would just be ridiculous
Nov 26 06:30:51 <Robi_> so we have to wait for 1.3.2
Nov 26 06:30:54 <zsoc|away> Y'know, if i spent all the time i spent explaining this, working on it instead....
Nov 26 06:30:54 <Rick_work> rwhitby if I clean that up, is it good enough to use on the web page?
Nov 26 06:30:58 <zsoc|away> Robi_, 2.0
Nov 26 06:31:08 <zsoc|away> Rick_work, i'll edit it for correctness :P
Nov 26 06:31:14 <Rick_work> zsoc -- that's what i'm trying to take off your shoulders
Nov 26 06:31:19 <Robi_> uhh
Nov 26 06:31:25 <Rick_work> I'm -good- at explaining things.
Nov 26 06:31:31 <Rick_work> go to bed.
Nov 26 06:31:35 <zsoc|away> Rick_work, eh, it's ok, wiki editing gives me something to do at work. although at this point i wouldn't get to it till january
Nov 26 06:31:35 <Rick_work> I'll clean this up.
Nov 26 06:31:37 <Robi_> 'nite zsoc|away
Nov 26 06:31:39 <zsoc|away> Rick_work, yes yes i trust you :P
Nov 26 06:31:40 <zsoc|away> later
Nov 26 06:31:43 * zsoc|away poofs
Nov 26 06:32:03 <ird> bash.org here I come...
Nov 26 06:32:16 <cryptk-pre> why not have gstreamer output to a service and have that service split it? would that even be possible?
Nov 26 06:33:08 <ird> It's a conspiracy dude.
Nov 26 06:33:21 <ird> The new world order is plotting to never let us have view finders.
Nov 26 06:33:21 <Rick_work> cryptk-pre if I understand the situation correctly that isn't exactly the problem either
Nov 26 06:33:35 <cryptk-pre> haha
Nov 26 06:33:41 <cryptk-pre> palm vs homebrew
Nov 26 06:33:46 <ird> You think I'm making this stuff up?
Nov 26 06:33:53 <cryptk-pre> they dangle it in your face...
Nov 26 06:34:00 <Rick_work> and cryptk-pre  it would be 10K times easier if he had told me what he would have to do to make this work in "X"
Nov 26 06:34:06 <Rick_work> it's very odd.
Nov 26 06:34:17 <ird> You better not dangle anything in my face...
Nov 26 06:35:09 <cryptk-pre> ird: don't tempt me...
Nov 26 06:35:22 <cryptk-pre> poop on a string...
Nov 26 06:35:54 <ird> It's always poop jokes :(
Nov 26 06:36:00 <thatdude|snoring> Night and morning everyone.
Nov 26 06:36:07 <kesne_> Rick_work: I like it, great job :)
Nov 26 06:36:20 <cryptk-pre> brb, at the register...
Nov 26 06:38:48 <ird> receipt?
Nov 26 06:38:50 <Robi_> astra irc, ew
Nov 26 06:38:53 <kesne_> Rick_work: Ben and Dion are nice people
Nov 26 06:41:47 <PuffTheMagic_> does anyone know off handhowto get the carrier string?
Nov 26 06:43:10 <Robi_> ## somenumber # ?
Nov 26 06:43:16 <cryptk-pre> back
Nov 26 06:45:08 <gkatsev> ##786#?
Nov 26 06:45:52 <Robi_> 9675409aaaaiaayn...
Nov 26 06:46:31 <rwhitby> 867-5309?
Nov 26 06:46:54 <Robi_> ya its the non (c) version
Nov 26 06:47:09 <Robi_> being closed source and all
Nov 26 06:50:00 <lingfish> chello.
Nov 26 06:50:22 <lingfish> Spose there's still no MSN client for the Pre?
Nov 26 06:54:09 <Jack87> i think we need a patch that will show first use icon
Nov 26 06:54:12 <Robi_> fracking sprint checking useragent
Nov 26 06:54:26 <rwhitby> Jack87: meta-doctor -)
Nov 26 06:54:30 <Robi_> need a patch to toggle the browser user agent as needed, sigh.
Nov 26 06:54:38 <Jack87> rwhitby, i know meta doctor does it but its not a patch
Nov 26 06:55:05 <rwhitby> nod
Nov 26 06:55:15 <Jack87> id make one but i modded my first use and do not have the original... i changed too many things to revert it back
Nov 26 06:55:39 <Jack87> can i pull it out of the 1.3.1 doctor?
Nov 26 06:56:19 <Jack87> shit i dont think i have quilt installed either.. is that still the patch making tool being used?
Nov 26 06:57:19 <rwhitby> Jack87: the patch is in the meta-doctor source repository
Nov 26 06:57:50 <Jack87> rwhitby, oh.... thats what you ment :)... i guess we need dBsooner to turn it into an ipk
Nov 26 06:58:33 <Jack87> rwhitby, is it somewhere in gitorious?
Nov 26 06:59:00 <rwhitby> http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=tools/meta-doctor.git;a=blob;f=patches/pre-p100eww-sprint-1.3.1/com.palm.app.firstuse.patch
Nov 26 07:00:15 <Jack87> is there a patch upload somewhere for the auto patcher?
Nov 26 07:04:10 <Jack87> negative?
Nov 26 07:06:34 <Jack87> found it http://www.dbsooner.com/webospatchupload.php
Nov 26 07:06:58 <rwhitby> Jack87: to make it visible, you just need the second half of that file
Nov 26 07:07:25 <Jack87> whats the first half dowing?
Nov 26 07:08:08 <dBsooner> makes it not run on startup?
Nov 26 07:08:21 <dBsooner> also makes it not save to the eeprom
Nov 26 07:08:36 <Jack87> that shouldnt make any difference then?
Nov 26 07:08:54 <Jack87> goal is to be able to run firstuse when switching phones and coming back to pre
Nov 26 07:09:20 <Jack87> the other day i went to centro and came back to pre and i couldnt get my data back untill i ran first use although i had phone service working
Nov 26 07:10:16 <Jack87> should i mod it to take out the first half?
Nov 26 07:10:25 <rwhitby> Jack87: you probably don't want the first bit if you can properly activate the phone.  I'm thinking of splitting it for meta-doctor too
Nov 26 07:10:35 <jbjoerk> anyone know what the pre uses to determine if you are roaming or not?
Nov 26 07:11:33 <Jack87> rwhitby, look like this... http://pastebin.com/m727a430e   ??
Nov 26 07:12:11 <chrisa> jbjoerk: I'm pretty sure that's all modem side, but you may be able to see a message on the bus from the TIL saying the status
Nov 26 07:13:48 * Templarian just updated that wow app and needs to sleep. *yawn*
Nov 26 07:14:04 <jbjoerk> chrisa: yeah, I'd like to figure out how to make it realize that I'm actually *not* roaming currently =)
Nov 26 07:14:36 * jbjoerk is living a bit close to denmark, and my phone(s) tend to jump onto the danish networks sometimes.. waay expensive for data :/
Nov 26 07:14:58 <rwhitby> Jack87: yep
Nov 26 07:15:51 <Jack87> jbjoerk, on sprint phone you can disable roaming all together.. can you do it with the gsm?
Nov 26 07:16:10 <jbjoerk> Jack87: yes, but since it thinks I'm roaming when I'm on my homenetwork... :)
Nov 26 07:16:36 <Jack87> jbjoerk, oh! that is odd.. no fun
Nov 26 07:17:55 <PuffTheMagic_> rwhitby: do you know if the carrierString is available somewhere on the userland
Nov 26 07:18:10 <rwhitby> PuffTheMagic_: topbar patch should show the way
Nov 26 07:18:48 <PuffTheMagic_> rwhitby: a patch? i know there is a dbus call for "palm apps"
Nov 26 07:18:50 <PuffTheMagic_> but i cant use that
Nov 26 07:19:32 <rwhitby> handleNetworkStatusQueryNotification in bar-assistant.js
Nov 26 07:19:47 <Jack87> dBsooner, do you make the black and white patch icon??
Nov 26 07:20:19 <rwhitby> PuffTheMagic_: palm://com.palm.telephony/networkStatusQuery
Nov 26 07:21:59 <Jack87> rwhitby, do you want to be the maintainer?
Nov 26 07:22:32 <Jack87> considering you update it with meta doctor?
Nov 26 07:22:35 <rwhitby> Jack87: nope
Nov 26 07:22:43 <PuffTheMagic_> rwhitby: that does not work over public bus
Nov 26 07:22:55 <rwhitby> PuffTheMagic_: that talks to TIL, but I don't know whether two things can talk to TIL at the same time
Nov 26 07:23:04 <PuffTheMagic_> TIL?
Nov 26 07:23:09 <|rfk|> this new update seems to have broken a few of the patches
Nov 26 07:23:28 <|rfk|> preware can't remove the patches
Nov 26 07:24:19 <rwhitby> |rfk|: um, you're supposed to remove the patches *before* updating
Nov 26 07:24:49 <rwhitby> PuffTheMagic_: telephony interface layer.  IPC called by telephony.jar classes
Nov 26 07:24:56 <|rfk|> thw update didn't ask for user consent
Nov 26 07:25:09 <PuffTheMagic_> rwhitby: its all on the private bus
Nov 26 07:25:22 <PuffTheMagic_> i need it find it on the userland or something
Nov 26 07:25:38 <rwhitby> |rfk|: I thought you got three goes at refusing it before it forced?
Nov 26 07:25:54 <dBsooner> |rfk|
Nov 26 07:26:07 <dBsooner> ~webos-update
Nov 26 07:26:09 <infobot> i heard webos-update is ATTENTION: For help with Patches not working after 1.3.1 update, PLEASE follow these instructions: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Updating_webOS_Versions
Nov 26 07:26:11 <dBsooner> ~botsnack
Nov 26 07:26:11 <infobot> thanks, dBsooner
Nov 26 07:26:33 <|rfk|> you mean a timeout?
Nov 26 07:27:10 <rwhitby> |rfk|: read the link that dBsooner just gavae
Nov 26 07:27:14 <rwhitby> gave even
Nov 26 07:27:45 <rwhitby> PuffTheMagic_: I don't see it used anywhere other than those telephony java classes which talk to TIL
Nov 26 07:28:15 * rwhitby wonders if the fso guys have worked out how to talk to TIL yet
Nov 26 07:31:05 <rwhitby> nope, they're talking directly to the uart port
Nov 26 07:32:54 <rfk> luna seemed to have crashed
Nov 26 07:34:53 <rwhitby> PuffTheMagic_: I thought you could call private bus from C services
Nov 26 07:35:04 <PuffTheMagic_> i thought so too
Nov 26 07:35:14 <PuffTheMagic_> i may have made a mistake
Nov 26 07:35:40 * rwhitby bbl
Nov 26 07:57:38 <dBsooner> rwhitby ping
Nov 26 07:57:49 <dBsooner> egaudet ping
Nov 26 08:04:25 <ird> dBsooner ping
Nov 26 08:04:34 <dBsooner> ird: go ahead
Nov 26 08:04:36 <ird> oops
Nov 26 08:08:17 <xxbones21xx> anyone awake?
Nov 26 08:09:01 <xxbones21xx> I dont know what that is?
Nov 26 08:10:25 <dBsooner> what what is?
Nov 26 08:11:09 <Orizzle> to much MW2.... sleepy now
Nov 26 08:14:15 * jbjoerk scratches his head.. I get a 3g connection, I'm able to ping stuff, but the dns does not get setup correctly
Nov 26 08:16:39 <Jack87> dBsooner, when will the patch appear in the feed so it can be tested
Nov 26 08:16:46 <Robi_> Orizzle: i keep having the menu texts garbled
Nov 26 08:16:54 <Robi_> i need screen shots to navigate ;]
Nov 26 08:16:55 <dBsooner> Jack87: umm.. when I get to it. :D
Nov 26 08:17:25 <Jack87> dBsooner, oh... copy that for some reason i though it did it automatically. glad to hear you go through them first
Nov 26 08:18:32 <dBsooner> Yep, I do.
Nov 26 08:18:40 <dBsooner> which is why it takes so long.
Nov 26 08:19:02 <Jack87> that is no big deal.. as long as you dont die
Nov 26 08:19:34 <Jack87> if people cant get their patch fix it will be chaos
Nov 26 08:25:28 <xxbones21xx> anyone in hear testing the cpu scaling or powersave patches?
Nov 26 08:25:35 <xxbones21xx> and would like to comment
Nov 26 08:27:28 <ird> Pretty quiet to me.
Nov 26 08:28:32 <Jack87> xxbones21xx, a2ny was i dont think he is here now
Nov 26 08:29:13 <xxbones21xx> kool i was thinking of trying it, i got my pre about two weeks ago
Nov 26 08:29:40 <Jack87> xxbones21xx, i am PMing you what he said to me
Nov 26 08:31:58 <asdfghqwertzxcvb> yp
Nov 26 08:32:02 <asdfghqwertzxcvb> yo
Nov 26 08:47:54 <Jack87> dBsooner, did you pull the 600mhz cpu scalling patch?
Nov 26 08:48:24 <jhojho> the patch has been pulled
Nov 26 08:51:03 <dBsooner> Jack87: all the 600mhz have been pulled
Nov 26 08:51:18 <Jack87> dBsooner, thanks
Nov 26 08:51:34 <oil> what for?
Nov 26 08:52:26 <Jack87> oil, not being stable and chance for physical damage to the phone i believe
Nov 26 08:54:15 <oil> i was wondering why they were there in the first place
Nov 26 08:56:07 <Jack87> oil, yup!
Nov 26 08:58:54 <Jack87> my experince even with 500mhz scalling was bad.. very glitchy phone and i think my battery drained more at times of use then it normally would have.
Nov 26 08:59:08 <Jack87> maybe with the new kernel it is better?
Nov 26 09:36:39 <MiX-MaN> anyone want a google wave invite /msg me your email if so :)
Nov 26 09:50:32 <dBsooner> rwhitby: ping
Nov 26 09:53:59 <lingfish> grr I cannot get WinAmp to talk to my Pre :(
Nov 26 09:59:24 <dBsooner> PuffTheMagic_: ping?
Nov 26 10:10:58 <dBsooner> ~seen rwhitby
Nov 26 10:11:00 <infobot> rwhitby is currently on #webos-internals (10h 31m 36s) #oe (10h 31m 36s) #nslu2-linux (10h 31m 36s). Has said a total of 93 messages. Is idling for 2h 36m 6s, last said: 'PuffTheMagic_: I thought you could call private bus from C services'.
Nov 26 10:18:02 <geist> ~seen dBsooner
Nov 26 10:18:03 <infobot> dbsooner is currently on #webos-internals (15h 33m 55s) #webos-watercooler (15h 33m 55s). Has said a total of 190 messages. Is idling for 7m 5s, last said: '~seen rwhitby'.
Nov 26 10:18:12 <dBsooner> :D
Nov 26 10:18:16 <geist> ~seen dBsooner
Nov 26 10:18:17 <infobot> dbsooner is currently on #webos-internals (15h 34m 9s) #webos-watercooler (15h 34m 9s). Has said a total of 191 messages. Is idling for 5s, last said: ':D'.
Nov 26 10:18:26 <geist> ~seen infobot
Nov 26 10:18:27 <infobot> geist: i haven't seen 'infobot'
Nov 26 10:22:45 * jbjoerk pokes geist 
Nov 26 10:25:23 * geist slaps jbjoerk silly
Nov 26 10:25:46 * geist has been listening to jbjoerk's spotify playlist for the last 2 hours
Nov 26 10:29:35 <dBsooner> rwhitby: can you please fire off the build script when you get a chance? also, where did you get the armv6 binary for wircd? I had to comment that out of the wircd Makefile for my make to run all the way
Nov 26 10:37:20 <dBsooner> doh! Remind me not to try "make upload" again.. hehehe.. rwhitby might lay the smack down.
Nov 26 10:43:15 <dBsooner> rwhitby: disregard.. you setup that cron.
Nov 26 10:43:25 <dBsooner> Jack87: its in the feed
Nov 26 11:21:15 <rwhitby> dBsooner: it worked cause the autobuilder is back up now at OSUOSL
Nov 26 11:21:46 <dBsooner> ahhh
Nov 26 11:21:53 * dBsooner is tired as snot
Nov 26 11:22:15 * dBsooner had to stay up all night babysitting the ham I am candying for that fake holiday you Aussies don't believe in.
Nov 26 11:22:31 <rwhitby> who said we don't believe in it?
Nov 26 11:22:50 <dBsooner> because it's a US holiday?
Nov 26 11:22:53 <rwhitby> I think it's a great holiday.  It keeps US customers off my back for almost a week.
Nov 26 11:23:37 <dBsooner> you might mention to Jack87 that his patch didn't work... I didn't catch it before it built. SO he'll need to upload a new one. ;)
Nov 26 15:35:50 <PuffTheMagic_> dBsooner: pong
Nov 26 15:50:18 <cajun> can anyone tell me how I obtain the ipk log file so that I can post it? I can't find any means of copying it or anything through preware
Nov 26 15:54:34 <zsoc> Why do american's celebrate a short-lived probably feigned friendship with natives before commencing a genocide?
Nov 26 15:54:58 <Rick_work> that's not what we celebrate.
Nov 26 15:55:07 <Rick_work> We are having a harvest celebration.
Nov 26 15:55:12 <zsoc> oh.
Nov 26 15:55:14 <zsoc> So like pagans?
Nov 26 15:55:38 <zsoc> I mean I'm cool with that, I just didn't know it was popular in america.
Nov 26 15:56:19 <PuffTheMagic_> zsoc: cause its a shit load of awesome food!
Nov 26 15:56:29 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic_: now there's an answer I can relate to
Nov 26 15:56:40 <Rick_work> zsoc, EVERYONE has a harvest celebration.
Nov 26 15:56:50 <Templarian> So much good food.
Nov 26 15:57:02 <zsoc> Rick_work: Yes, but in america farmers get paid _not_ to grow things.
Nov 26 15:57:22 <Rick_work> zsoc by and large that is a stupid myth
Nov 26 15:57:27 <zsoc> Rick_work: ignore me, I'm just being characteristically argumentative :)
Nov 26 15:57:42 <Rick_work> I live in Kansas. Many of my friends farm.
Nov 26 15:59:39 <zsoc> Rick_work: well then I believe you have a much more honest view point than the majority in urban areas :)
Nov 26 16:00:31 <zsoc> JayCanuck: 'ello
Nov 26 16:00:39 <JayCanuck> hi zsoc
Nov 26 16:00:54 <zsoc> JayCanuck: to what do we owe the pleasure?
Nov 26 16:01:31 <PuffTheMagic_> Rick_work: did u get usbnet working in time?
Nov 26 16:01:36 <JayCanuck> it's 10am, I'm barely awake, what better to do than come into chat :p
Nov 26 16:01:58 <Rick_work> PuffTheMagic_  no.
Nov 26 16:02:26 <zsoc> JayCanuck: oh ok then :) I just know you hate irc lol
Nov 26 16:02:42 <JayCanuck> lol, not hate, just it's awkward
Nov 26 16:02:52 <zsoc> We're all a bunch of strange here, that's for sure.
Nov 26 16:03:20 <cajun> can anyone tell me how I obtain the ipk log file so that I can post it? I can't find any means of copying it or anything through preware
Nov 26 16:25:04 <PuffTheMagic_> JayCanuck: awkward??? IRC is like, the origin of internet messaging, and it still exists and is heavily used
Nov 26 16:25:29 <JayCanuck> lol, I mean awkward on my comp
Nov 26 16:25:49 <JayCanuck> I use Chatzilla, heh
Nov 26 16:25:56 <zsoc> eeeeewwwww
Nov 26 16:31:05 <ElVox> i used chatzilla until i got sick of an error in one of my scripts crashing my irc while i was doing web development :)
Nov 26 16:44:34 <ird> PuffTheMagic_: BBS > IRC
Nov 26 16:44:35 <ird> :D
Nov 26 16:45:01 <PuffTheMagic_> if > means older... yes
Nov 26 16:45:07 <zsoc> oh crap
Nov 26 16:45:09 <zsoc> i broke my led
Nov 26 16:45:15 <zsoc> ha
Nov 26 16:45:35 <ird> PuffTheMagic_: > = Greater than, it was a joke.
Nov 26 16:48:51 <zsoc> oh, i did _not_ break my led
Nov 26 16:48:53 <zsoc> this is interesting
Nov 26 16:51:50 <zsoc> Robi_: you around?
Nov 26 16:56:53 <Abyssul> howdy
Nov 26 16:57:14 <Marajin>  yo Abyssul
Nov 26 16:57:41 <Abyssul> what's going on :) I miss anything?
Nov 26 16:57:50 <Marajin> Abyssul: probably but I missed them too? :p
Nov 26 16:58:24 <zsoc> what did i miss?
Nov 26 16:58:37 <Marajin> zsoc: everything!
Nov 26 16:58:52 <zsoc> crap
Nov 26 16:59:49 <Abyssul> any progress with precorder?
Nov 26 17:00:17 <Abyssul> I have like one sec sync lag haha
Nov 26 17:00:20 <zsoc> Abyssul: just wrapping up 0.3.0 of the service
Nov 26 17:00:30 <Abyssul> very nice man
Nov 26 17:00:44 <zsoc> Abyssul: can you pastebin a 30 second output of 'dbus-util --capture' with no cards open and wifi and bluetooth off?
Nov 26 17:01:00 <Abyssul> I'm mobile. I cant
Nov 26 17:01:03 <zsoc> Oh.
Nov 26 17:01:12 <Abyssul> forgot to put wirc on my name
Nov 26 17:01:13 <zsoc> Well then, I'll blame the sync on alpha software :P
Nov 26 17:01:21 <zsoc> Although I have no sync issue, and more don't have it than do
Nov 26 17:01:38 <zsoc> i have an idea on how to fix it, but it would involve lower audio quality slightly
Nov 26 17:01:46 <Abyssul> it might have to require a restart
Nov 26 17:01:54 <Abyssul> buildup of pre lag?
Nov 26 17:01:59 <zsoc> Abyssul: you should never have to restart linux :P
Nov 26 17:02:13 <zsoc> 'buildup of pre lag' is fairly accurate, but we have the ability to research what is causing it. This isn't windows ;)
Nov 26 17:02:30 <Abyssul> I restart everyday
Nov 26 17:02:43 <zsoc> but you shouldn't have to, that's the point.
Nov 26 17:02:49 <zsoc> Do you have terminal installed on your phone?
Nov 26 17:03:29 <zsoc> eh too much trouble, hit me up when you're around a computer
Nov 26 17:04:47 <Abyssul> brb in a sec. I restart because I have to :p. its just part of having a pre. :)
Nov 26 17:04:55 <Abyssul> and using homebrew :p
Nov 26 17:05:14 <ird> I haven't turned off my linux desktop in... months
Nov 26 17:06:22 <Abyssul_wIRC> back :)
Nov 26 17:06:31 * zsoc wishes everyone on the planet would run 'dbus-utils --capture aonic'
Nov 26 17:07:29 <Abyssul_wIRC> I'll dl terminal
Nov 26 17:08:23 <preGuard> hi ppl
Nov 26 17:08:35 <preGuard> im searching the PrewareInstaller-0.9.12.jar are there one out?
Nov 26 17:09:41 <greenfire1> Was wondering again if anyone has made any progress with getting mouse data out of the touchscreen in a native app ?
Nov 26 17:09:47 <Abyssul> why is my name wrong... ugh...
Nov 26 17:09:52 <xaiki> hello, to suggest something be publish on precentral, who's to be contacted ?
Nov 26 17:10:45 <Abyssul> The tip us button on the homepage will send you to a contact page.
Nov 26 17:10:47 <xaiki> oh and if someone wants to explain to me what's the issue in getting the vid image while recording i'm also really interested =)
Nov 26 17:11:03 <ird> oh god
Nov 26 17:11:12 <ird> zsoc: run
Nov 26 17:11:16 <Abyssul> haha
Nov 26 17:11:41 <xaiki> I'm writing gst code for work, I might be able to help...
Nov 26 17:11:47 <zsoc> xaiki: yes, stay
Nov 26 17:12:02 <zsoc> xaiki: how familiar are you with webos?
Nov 26 17:12:10 <Abyssul> grrr...
Nov 26 17:12:23 <preGuard> im searching the PrewareInstaller-0.9.12.jar are there one out?
Nov 26 17:12:52 <zsoc> preGuard: just get 0.9.5 and upgrade through preware?
Nov 26 17:13:07 <preGuard> not possible on some pre's
Nov 26 17:13:17 * zsoc scratches his head
Nov 26 17:13:19 <zsoc> why not?
Nov 26 17:13:22 <preGuard> you will aint get the option to update
Nov 26 17:13:28 <zsoc> ...
Nov 26 17:13:32 <zsoc> ok then
Nov 26 17:13:39 <preGuard> update feeds also aint help
Nov 26 17:13:49 <Abyssul> I give up lol
Nov 26 17:13:56 <xaiki> zsoc: a bit... but I'm a C system dev, not a web/java man, so some things are a bit funny for me there.
Nov 26 17:14:02 <preGuard> so i need to install it manual
Nov 26 17:14:39 <zsoc> xaiki: well honestly, the java stuff is pretty minor :) especially in gst interaction. Even MediaServer doesn't do anything directly as far as i can tell.
Nov 26 17:14:51 <zsoc> xaiki: which you know, because of course all native gst applications are in C :)
Nov 26 17:15:22 <zsoc> xaiki: pm ok?
Nov 26 17:15:23 <PuffTheMagic_> so my brother just doctored his phone and his contacts are gone?
Nov 26 17:15:31 <xaiki> zsoc: sure =)
Nov 26 17:15:33 <Abyssul> zsoc: : what did you want me to do?
Nov 26 17:15:46 <PuffTheMagic_> anyone have that happen before?
Nov 26 17:16:03 <zsoc> Abyssul: dbus-util --capture
Nov 26 17:16:24 <preGuard> anyone in here have the org.webosinternals.preware.ipk v0.9.12 on the HD to share it to me?
Nov 26 17:18:33 <Abyssul> What do you want to paste? its output is infinity lol
Nov 26 17:22:01 <preGuard> gmrl
Nov 26 17:23:42 <Abyssul> zsoc: ping
Nov 26 17:24:15 <ird> PuffTheMagic_: The only time I've doctored mine, afterward only 3 of my contacts survived in the palm profile.
Nov 26 17:24:18 <ird> A few months ago.
Nov 26 17:24:36 <Abyssul> same here ird
Nov 26 17:25:01 <zsoc> Abyssul: wat?
Nov 26 17:25:32 <Abyssul> when I type that into terminal, it just keeps outputing forever. like never ending
Nov 26 17:25:39 <zsoc> Abyssul: the fact that the output is infinity is probably your issue. close all cards. turn off bluetooth and wifi, the output SHOULD be small. but record 30 seconds or so worth if you can
Nov 26 17:26:58 <Abyssul> I'll try
Nov 26 17:27:08 <preGuard> im searching the PrewareInstaller-0.9.12.jar are there one out?
Nov 26 17:30:21 <Abyssul> meh I can't get it to work
Nov 26 17:31:03 <zsoc> Abyssul: save the output to a file?
Nov 26 17:31:22 <zsoc> dbus-util --capture > /tmp/dbuslog.log ?
Nov 26 17:31:25 <zsoc> or something like that
Nov 26 17:32:31 <Abyssul> I'll try that.
Nov 26 17:34:22 <Abyssul> how do you do > in terminal lol
Nov 26 17:34:30 <thebitguru> Hi, how do I add the testing repository?
Nov 26 17:34:41 <Abyssul> nvm
Nov 26 17:36:15 <DarkSpecter> is there a quick guide on how to make a ipk ?
Nov 26 17:36:51 <thebitguru> DarkSpecter: there isn't much to it, palm-package does it for you
Nov 26 17:37:30 <thebitguru> DarkSpecter: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1552
Nov 26 17:37:44 <DarkSpecter> thx
Nov 26 17:39:44 <DarkSpecter> does that apply to patch ipk too ?
Nov 26 17:42:24 <stilesja> Just updated from latest bootstrap.  Anyone else noticing that the video light no longer works since the high/medium/low setting was added.
Nov 26 17:44:31 <stilesja> the versions I saw when I ran the installer were 0.2.3 and 0.3.0
Nov 26 17:44:49 <stilesja> Is that what you need?
Nov 26 17:46:19 <zsoc> stilesja: of course it doesn't work, no one's supposed to be using it :P
Nov 26 17:46:34 <zsoc> stilesja: rod pushed the new version of the app before the service update was ready, I was actually about to update it now
Nov 26 17:46:46 <stilesja> :-)   Ahh gotcha
Nov 26 17:47:08 <stilesja> It worked yesterday is the only reason I thought to mention it
Nov 26 17:47:48 <zsoc> yeah, one of those things... wasn't expecting someone to make a bootstrap lol
Nov 26 17:49:28 <stilesja> Another thing which I have no real idea is related or just random or what.  But after I first installed precorder it was working great and recording files, but then I thought I would install the swipe to delete videos patch.  After I deleted some videos all of a sudden none of my videos would playback
Nov 26 17:50:11 <stilesja> Not even the pre welcome video.  So I removed both patches and re-installed precorder then swipe to delete (in that order) again to the same results
Nov 26 17:50:46 <stilesja> I uninstalled and then put swipe to delete videos on first then added precorder and haven't had a problem with it since
Nov 26 17:52:52 <stilesja> Not sure if these 2 patches are not quite friendly or if it was just random that once it finally started working something may have been updated in the bootstrap.
Nov 26 17:53:29 <stilesja> I thought I would point that out though, in the interest of being a good alpha tester :-)
Nov 26 17:53:53 <Abyssul> I gave up zsoc. I'll have to wait until like 11pm eastern.
Nov 26 17:54:09 <zsoc> Abyssul: kk, i'll be asleep D:
Nov 26 17:54:32 <Abyssul> haha. I'm awaiting the next service :)
Nov 26 17:56:17 <zsoc> right, sorry i'm distracted
Nov 26 17:56:19 <zsoc> it's here
Nov 26 17:59:35 <ird> Why xbox360, why?
Nov 26 18:00:57 <zsoc> ird: it hates MW2 players :P
Nov 26 18:02:02 <ird> It doesn't like my mw2 disc.
Nov 26 18:20:03 <zsoc> Can anyone package on the git besides rod?
Nov 26 18:20:35 <zsoc> or is there autobuilder magic going on ?
Nov 26 18:21:41 <zsoc> well in case not, and you read this in the logs rod, gstservice 0.3.0 should be ready for packaging
Nov 26 18:36:23 <DrFunk> yo boston
Nov 26 18:36:59 <DrFunk> happy turkey all
Nov 26 18:40:14 <Jack87> dBsooner, thanks.. i was afraid of that... i had simply just removed the first half of what rwhitby's patch from meta doctor. i guess i will just make one from scratch and test it myself before i upload
Nov 26 18:40:30 <dBsooner> want me to make it?
Nov 26 18:40:38 <dBsooner> I was juswt WAYYY to tired to do it this morning
Nov 26 18:43:51 <Jack87> zsoc, what happened to the led
Nov 26 18:44:21 <zsoc> Jack87: i purposely broke it so people will stop using an alpha app
Nov 26 18:44:37 <zsoc> Jack87: OR, the new version of the app got pushed before the service was ready
Nov 26 18:44:38 <zsoc> I can't remember which
Nov 26 18:45:21 <cryptk> lol @ zsoc
Nov 26 18:45:25 <Jack87> dBsooner, go for it... it saves me the trouble of downloading the new doctor to swap my firestuse appinfo.. (i have mine hard coded and i messed with it a lot so hard to remember how to revert)
Nov 26 18:45:53 <Jack87> zsoc, well how did you fix it
Nov 26 18:46:35 <zsoc> Jack87: ... it wasn't broken. we were simply updating an api and it got set in the app before the service. it wouldn't happen if people didn't install things randomly :P
Nov 26 18:46:50 <zsoc> dBsooner: do you know how the auto packager works?
Nov 26 18:48:06 <Jack87> zsoc, if dBsooner doesnt i think egaudet will... i think he started it
Nov 26 18:48:19 <zsoc> ....
Nov 26 18:53:52 <cryptk> zsoc, any ideas yet as to what may be causing the a/v sync issues?
Nov 26 18:54:24 <zsoc> cryptk: do you have that issue right now?
Nov 26 18:54:30 <cryptk> yes
Nov 26 18:54:50 <cryptk> and I just updated to 0.3.0 but I had it with the version prior also
Nov 26 18:55:17 <cryptk> it seems like the video go's a little slower than the audio
Nov 26 18:55:30 <cryptk> and so the sync gets progressively worse throughout the recording
Nov 26 18:55:37 <zsoc> cryptk: can you pastebine about 30 seconds of the output of 'dbus-util --capture' with no apps open, and wifi and bluetooth off
Nov 26 18:55:55 <cryptk> sure, gimmie a sec
Nov 26 18:56:26 <ird_pre> aha
Nov 26 18:56:36 <zsoc> ?
Nov 26 18:56:46 <cryptk> hrm... I am gonna hafta SSH in over EVDO...
Nov 26 18:56:55 <cryptk> I usually do it over wifi, lol
Nov 26 18:57:27 <zsoc> usbnet?
Nov 26 18:57:32 <zsoc> novacom?
Nov 26 18:57:41 <cryptk> I prefer putty
Nov 26 18:57:43 <cryptk> lol
Nov 26 18:58:27 <Jack87> you can usbnet via putty
Nov 26 18:58:33 <cryptk> ERROR: Unable to connect to public bus: Did not receive a reply.
Nov 26 18:58:57 <Jack87> when installing open ssh did you enable evdo access?
Nov 26 18:59:01 <cryptk> how do I ser up usbnet then?
Nov 26 18:59:07 <cryptk> I have never looked into it
Nov 26 18:59:19 <ird_pre> cryptk renew your bus pass.
Nov 26 18:59:27 <cryptk> how?
Nov 26 18:59:27 <ird_pre> :p
Nov 26 19:00:57 <Jack87> enable usbnet install usbnet driver (for your os) and give your computer an iP and connect to the phone via 192.168.0.202
Nov 26 19:01:27 <DrFunk> what Jack87
Nov 26 19:01:38 <Jack87> you guys think google wave will catch on?
Nov 26 19:01:41 <cryptk> ok, but where on the phone do I enable usbnet
Nov 26 19:01:41 <cryptk> is there a wiki page somewhere?
Nov 26 19:01:58 <cryptk> found it http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/USBnet_Setup
Nov 26 19:01:59 <Jack87> oh shit haha you can ssh in to enable it hhaha
Nov 26 19:02:01 <cryptk> gimmie a minute
Nov 26 19:02:11 <Jack87> terminal app?
Nov 26 19:02:14 <Jack87> webosquickinstall command line
Nov 26 19:02:20 <DrFunk> Jack87: I'm still waiting for a invite
Nov 26 19:02:37 <Jack87> DrFunk, i dont understand it
Nov 26 19:02:48 <DrFunk> google wave
Nov 26 19:03:08 <Jack87> wave is suppose to replace email... so i guess that mean other companies have to make their own"wave"
Nov 26 19:03:09 <cryptk> yeah, I am setting it all up now
Nov 26 19:03:44 <gkatsev> no, google wave isnt email. google wave is a tool for collaboration.
Nov 26 19:03:46 <DrFunk> cryptk: setting what up ?
Nov 26 19:03:52 <cryptk> usbnet
Nov 26 19:04:02 <ird_pre> the internet is getting too curvy for me.
Nov 26 19:04:20 <DrFunk> cryptk: why ?
Nov 26 19:04:36 <cryptk> so I can SSH in without using wifi or evdi
Nov 26 19:04:36 <Jack87> wow you can do bots on google wav
Nov 26 19:04:41 <cryptk> s/evdi/evdo/
Nov 26 19:04:41 <infobot> cryptk meant: so I can SSH in without using wifi or evdo
Nov 26 19:05:03 <DrFunk> gkatsev: you got wave ?
Nov 26 19:05:47 <DrFunk> got ya cryptk but thats azy
Nov 26 19:05:53 <DrFunk> lazy *
Nov 26 19:05:59 <DrFunk> lol
Nov 26 19:06:05 <cryptk> I need it for some debugging
Nov 26 19:06:08 <Jack87> DrFunk, lazy how?
Nov 26 19:06:13 <gkatsev> DrFunk: yep
Nov 26 19:06:27 <gkatsev> Jack87: completewaveguide.com
Nov 26 19:06:37 <Jack87> thanks gkatsev
Nov 26 19:07:10 <DrFunk> gkatsev: why so long for the invite ?
Nov 26 19:07:36 <DrFunk> I still didn't get anything and its been 2 months
Nov 26 19:07:46 <DrFunk> well almost 2
Nov 26 19:08:10 <gkatsev> DrFunk: not sure. it seems that invites from friends are a bit quicker than if you ask google. but it seems that they are rolling invites out by hand or something
Nov 26 19:08:12 <DrFunk> gkatsev: you can invite people or no ?
Nov 26 19:08:24 <gkatsev> DrFunk: yeah, if you want msg me your email.
Nov 26 19:09:33 <Jack87> cryptk, were you able to enable usbnet
Nov 26 19:09:40 <cryptk> almost done
Nov 26 19:11:16 <Jack87> are you on windows xp
Nov 26 19:11:17 <cryptk> brb, gotta check on something...
Nov 26 19:12:14 <Jack87> anyway if you are on vista or 7 the instructions for driver there are horrible
Nov 26 19:14:54 <cryptk-pre> argh... time warner,how I hate you
Nov 26 19:15:01 <zsoc> lotta hate in here today
Nov 26 19:15:06 <cryptk-pre> my interwebs is out... again...
Nov 26 19:15:15 <Jack87> cryptk-pre, tether?
Nov 26 19:15:36 <Jack87> cryptk-pre, while tethering you can ssh with usbnet :)
Nov 26 19:15:48 <cryptk-pre> don't have it set up yet, I doctored a few days ago
Nov 26 19:16:20 <Jack87> cryptk-pre, do you have terminal app or access to commandline from webos quick install... you can run the wget command
Nov 26 19:16:28 <cryptk-pre> can I install it all through preware
Nov 26 19:16:33 <cryptk-pre> yes, I have both
Nov 26 19:17:01 <Jack87> cryptk-pre, you can install it through terminal app or webos quick install command line under tools one line
Nov 26 19:17:28 <cryptk-pre> what is the line?
Nov 26 19:17:32 <cryptk-pre> got it, thx
Nov 26 19:18:34 <Jack87> cryptk-pre, what OS is your computer running?
Nov 26 19:19:00 <cryptk-pre> vista 64 and Ubuntu 64
Nov 26 19:19:58 <Jack87> cryptk-pre, with ubuntu plug and your usbnet should work right off the bat. with vista there is a list of instructions to fallow to enable it are you going to do vista?
Nov 26 19:21:21 <cryptk-pre> I can go to ubuntu, sounds easier
Nov 26 19:21:42 <Jack87> cryptk-pre, much then you can just use terminal in ubuntu to ssh in rather then putty
Nov 26 19:22:43 <cryptk-pre> yay, my interwebs are back I think
Nov 26 19:22:53 <Jack87> cryptk-pre, yay
Nov 26 19:23:50 <cryptk> YAY!!!! I am back online
Nov 26 19:24:20 <Jack87> why can you ssh via evdo again?
Nov 26 19:25:44 <Jack87> cant*
Nov 26 19:25:54 <cryptk> I can, it is just slow
Nov 26 19:26:01 <cryptk> and drops alot
Nov 26 19:26:07 <cryptk> I get bad signal at my apartment
Nov 26 19:26:22 <zsoc> my wife is complaining that handling a turkey is making her face oily
Nov 26 19:26:24 <zsoc> what.
Nov 26 19:26:41 <cryptk> hahaha, is the mandling it with her mouth?
Nov 26 19:26:44 <DrFunk> lol
Nov 26 19:27:03 <zsoc> she used the phrase 'poultry fat'
Nov 26 19:27:43 <DrFunk> that's too funny
Nov 26 19:28:05 * Jack87 is watching the super long google wave video 80min long!
Nov 26 19:28:39 <zsoc> woo 80 minutes of silence ;)
Nov 26 19:28:51 <zsoc> ack, my face is oily
Nov 26 19:29:03 <cryptk> so... why can I not get my ubuntu to SSH into my phone over usbnet....
Nov 26 19:29:15 <Jack87> zsoc, did you get too close to the kitchen
Nov 26 19:29:32 <Jack87> did your computer get an IP..
Nov 26 19:30:15 <Jack87> ssh -P {port} {user}@{hostname}   port=222   hostname=192.168.0.202
Nov 26 19:30:38 <Jack87> dont use {}
Nov 26 19:31:10 <Jack87> i think... zsoc correct me if i am wrong?
Nov 26 19:31:38 <cryptk> ssh: connect to host 222 port 22: Invalid argument
Nov 26 19:31:43 <cryptk> that is the right port, that is what I use in putty
Nov 26 19:32:00 <cryptk> and the hostname is what the pre has listed for an ip for usb0 under ifconfig
Nov 26 19:32:15 <cryptk> so it should be working, but it isn't...
Nov 26 19:32:42 <Jack87> make sure you are not using your comptuers ip for the host name
Nov 26 19:32:49 <cryptk> wait, I typoed it...
Nov 26 19:32:56 <Jack87> and the pre's ip... so your default gateway
Nov 26 19:32:59 <zsoc> also if you're already connected to a network on the same subnet it could probably cause an issue
Nov 26 19:34:35 <cryptk> I'm not
Nov 26 19:34:46 <cryptk> found one problem... it should be -p not -P
Nov 26 19:35:16 <Jack87> oops yes p
Nov 26 19:36:21 <cryptk> but it still isn't working, and I can't ping that address
Nov 26 19:37:21 <Jack87> right click on the top where your network info is and click on connection information
Nov 26 19:38:28 <cryptk> got it
Nov 26 19:38:28 <cryptk> fixed it
Nov 26 19:38:38 <Jack87> ok good.... what was wrong?
Nov 26 19:38:47 <cryptk> ok, now zsoc what was that command you wanted me to do with wifi and BT turned off
Nov 26 19:38:51 <DrFunk> his brain
Nov 26 19:39:00 <gkatsev> PEBKAC
Nov 26 19:39:03 <Jack87> i vote he was not using the pre's ip
Nov 26 19:39:12 <DrFunk> heh
Nov 26 19:39:24 <Jack87> zsoc, your it
Nov 26 19:39:33 <cryptk> no, I had to set up an IP address manually for my PC
Nov 26 19:39:50 <Butter> Hello Out there! I hope everyone is having a restful day
Nov 26 19:39:51 <Butter> :-)
Nov 26 19:40:19 <Jack87> haha yay
Nov 26 19:40:20 <gkatsev> Butter: not everyone has turkey day. some international users here
Nov 26 19:40:45 <Butter> Thank you for the reminder! :-D
Nov 26 19:40:51 <Jack87> gkatsev, i am sure they all celebrate turkeyday for the americans
Nov 26 19:41:06 <cryptk> haha
Nov 26 19:41:13 <cryptk> zsoc you there?
Nov 26 19:41:16 <Butter> no worries...I just have good thoughts for all. Thanks
Nov 26 19:41:18 <gkatsev> Jack87: right. they take the day off when palm takes the day or, right?
Nov 26 19:41:24 <Jack87> cryptk, i think he ran away
Nov 26 19:41:32 <cryptk> god.... I forgot how appealing of an OS ubuntu is
Nov 26 19:41:48 <Butter> I have been reading the forum about my preware...and one of the apps overtook my basic default (Dallas)
Nov 26 19:41:49 <Jack87> cryptk, i been using 9.10 its pretty bad ass
Nov 26 19:41:53 <cryptk> it looks very clean, and fancy.... all while taking less resources than windoze
Nov 26 19:41:54 <Butter> It is an awesome app
Nov 26 19:41:55 <ird> Mint is better than Ubuntu, imo
Nov 26 19:42:00 <Marajin> I never really liked ubuntu
Nov 26 19:42:06 <cryptk> yeah, I just updated to 9.10 a couple weeks ago
Nov 26 19:42:09 <cryptk> liking it so far
Nov 26 19:42:09 <Marajin> I just don't like anything else better :p
Nov 26 19:42:16 <Butter> but when i removed the app, everything still was blue and stars etc
Nov 26 19:42:18 <gkatsev> ive been running mainly win7 for a few weeks now because wifi still doesnt like my ubuntu partition and ive been playing lots of PC games
Nov 26 19:42:28 <cryptk> I just wish the external box for my soundcard would work in ubuntu
Nov 26 19:42:29 <Butter> also did patches that removed my contact dara
Nov 26 19:42:44 <Marajin> gkatsev: mmm win 7
Nov 26 19:42:51 <cryptk> brb
Nov 26 19:42:54 <ird> I hate win7
Nov 26 19:42:56 <Marajin> gkatsev: I'm loving the fact that I can get it at 30-50 bucks a pop
Nov 26 19:43:03 <ird> I installed it for this girl I was dating, she dumped me.
Nov 26 19:43:09 <Jack87> my ubuntu stopped loading on my main computer :( so i been booting into win 7 past week
Nov 26 19:43:09 <Marajin> ird: Well I suppose someone has to, it's been getting to much love
Nov 26 19:43:12 <DrFunk> Butter: use epr
Nov 26 19:43:25 <gkatsev> i can get two copies for free :). and get 8 more for $19.
Nov 26 19:43:27 <Butter> so I just did the web OS doctor
Nov 26 19:43:31 <Butter> restored all data
Nov 26 19:43:32 <Jack87> ird, after she had ubuntu she didnt need you anymore
Nov 26 19:43:42 <ird> No, I installed win7 for her.
Nov 26 19:43:43 <cryptk> brb
Nov 26 19:43:48 <ird> She didn't want Ubuntu :p
Nov 26 19:43:56 <Butter> I remember reading that I needed to create a false profile to restart afterward and then
Nov 26 19:43:59 <Marajin> ird: Perhaps she was just using you to get windows updates?
Nov 26 19:44:00 <Butter> ...
Nov 26 19:44:06 <Jack87> ird, hahaha
Nov 26 19:44:12 <ird> Marajin: she was using me for my wifi :(
Nov 26 19:44:20 <ird> And my hard disk...
Nov 26 19:44:29 <Butter> afterward...update my palm profile to the correct profile
Nov 26 19:44:37 <DrFunk> false ?
Nov 26 19:44:44 <Butter> Thanks Dr. Funk. I will remember next time
Nov 26 19:45:00 <DrFunk> never heard of that Butter
Nov 26 19:45:03 <Jack87> man these google guys presenting the wave are not all that exciting
Nov 26 19:45:04 <DrFunk> false
Nov 26 19:45:08 <ird> Now all I have is wifi and a floppy disk.
Nov 26 19:45:13 <Marajin> ird: heh
Nov 26 19:45:18 <Butter> it was in the forum post
Nov 26 19:45:19 <Jack87> they are really computer guys on stange and not ones that play computer guys on tv
Nov 26 19:45:26 <Marajin> ird: gunzip, grep, mount, fsck fsck fsck ;)
Nov 26 19:45:27 <gkatsev> ird: no tshirt? lol
Nov 26 19:45:33 <gkatsev> ~sex
Nov 26 19:45:34 <infobot> [~sex] updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; emerge --oneshot condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; emerge -C condom; make clean; sleep
Nov 26 19:45:37 <zsoc> cryptk-smoke: oh
Nov 26 19:45:43 <ird> Marajin: :D
Nov 26 19:46:05 <Butter> DrFunk: so, just real quick,...can i change my profile info to the original in the profile update preferences
Nov 26 19:46:11 <Jack87> infobot, hahaha
Nov 26 19:46:23 <Jack87> i like this bot
Nov 26 19:46:26 <gkatsev> ~botsnack
Nov 26 19:46:26 <infobot> aw, gee, gkatsev
Nov 26 19:46:47 <Marajin> that is the longest version of sex related linux commands I've seen :P
Nov 26 19:46:47 <zsoc> cryptk-smoke: stop killing yourself :P
Nov 26 19:46:59 <zsoc> Marajin: all linux commands are sex related
Nov 26 19:47:00 <Marajin> zsoc: smoking isn't killing oneself!
Nov 26 19:47:15 <Marajin> zsoc: I know but I've never seen them strung into such a long coherent scene
Nov 26 19:47:30 <zsoc> Marajin: I'm sorry? What? Are we talking about the same smoking?
Nov 26 19:47:43 <ird> I smoke a few different things...
Nov 26 19:47:47 <Jack87> zsoc, maybe he is depressed you abandoned him so he is slowly commiting suiside
Nov 26 19:47:56 <zsoc> ...
Nov 26 19:48:17 <Marajin> no no no smoking is not killing yourself!
Nov 26 19:48:21 <Marajin> it's giving yourself a reason to enjoy still being alive ;)
Nov 26 19:48:37 <gkatsev> while killing yourself very slowly
Nov 26 19:48:51 <Marajin> hey, live fast, die young, leave a good looking corpse
Nov 26 19:48:54 <Jack87> slow suiside! depressed people do it
Nov 26 19:49:11 <Jack87> haha it cant be worse then any of those anti deperssent drugs on the market
Nov 26 19:49:11 <ird> Smoking is for people who are too afraid to 'really' kill themselves.
Nov 26 19:49:13 <ird> :p
Nov 26 19:49:18 <gkatsev> remember kids, its down the street not accross the road.
Nov 26 19:49:18 <Marajin> I cannot believe I now have a cellphone wrist watch :p
Nov 26 19:49:23 <Butter> so, how can I change my profile info?
Nov 26 19:49:33 <Marajin> ird: I count it as a sign of my self destructive bent waning ;) it's the path to recovery!
Nov 26 19:50:01 <Jack87> zsoc, cryptk-smoke should atleast be wircing while he smokes!
Nov 26 19:50:19 <Jack87> a wave can organize waves!
Nov 26 19:50:33 <Marajin> who here actually has a wave account? :p
Nov 26 19:50:41 <Jack87> but then you need a wave that will organize a wave that organizes other waves
Nov 26 19:50:58 <Jack87> Marajin, i do as of half hour ago
Nov 26 19:51:07 <Marajin> cool
Nov 26 19:51:09 <Jack87> watching the 1hour 20min long video now
Nov 26 19:51:10 <Marajin> I've had one a while
Nov 26 19:51:18 <Jack87> Marajin, i really dont get it haha
Nov 26 19:51:20 <Marajin> in fact they've just /granted/ me invite privs :D
Nov 26 19:51:30 <Marajin> Jack87: what the video? I got it, my 61 year old dad got it even..
Nov 26 19:51:35 <Marajin> he thought it was awesome actually
Nov 26 19:52:07 <Jack87> Marajin, maybe because i dont have anyone to wave with so i am just starring at a blank screen
Nov 26 19:52:12 <Jack87> http://wave.google.com/help/wave/about.html#video
Nov 26 19:52:49 <Marajin> Jack87: so add me if you like
Nov 26 19:52:57 <DrFunk> haha
Nov 26 19:53:07 <DrFunk> I need wave help
Nov 26 19:53:20 <Marajin> DrFunk: Do you?
Nov 26 19:53:30 <Butter> DrFunk: thank you for answering before, may I ask you another?
Nov 26 19:53:55 <ird> I want a wave account :(
Nov 26 19:54:00 <DrFunk> Marajin: na gkatsev sent me a invite
Nov 26 19:54:25 <DrFunk> Butter: just ask someone will answer
Nov 26 19:54:25 <Marajin> ird: you need a girlfriend to have a wave account!
Nov 26 19:54:35 <gkatsev> ird: msg your email and ill send you an invite
Nov 26 19:54:35 <Jack87> Marajin, i tried pinging you on wave
Nov 26 19:54:38 * DrFunk on da pre
Nov 26 19:54:58 <Butter> DrFunk: thanks...ok..so I want to restore my original Palm, Profile...
Nov 26 19:55:15 <Butter> can I switch from the one I currently entered?
Nov 26 19:55:28 <DrFunk> so guess you used doctor
Nov 26 19:55:33 <Butter> if so, would I do that in palm profile preferences
Nov 26 19:55:33 <Butter> yes
Nov 26 19:55:48 <Butter> to DrFunk
Nov 26 19:55:52 <Butter> Not so bothersome
Nov 26 19:56:19 <Butter> I just am getting used to my preware...but one of the themes took over and would not remove
Nov 26 19:56:28 <DrFunk> Butter: not sure if you can switch hey Jack87 can he switch back ?
Nov 26 19:56:34 <ird> Marajin: I do, she's just invisible.
Nov 26 19:57:04 <Jack87> themes are evil
Nov 26 19:57:13 <Butter> i did the erp...still did not revert...the theme was gone, but the script for the color remianed and the emails and memo pads would not revert
Nov 26 19:57:16 <Jack87> he can attempt to overwrite the files with default files?
Nov 26 19:57:30 <Butter> then I did a patch,and then my contacts disappeared
Nov 26 19:57:49 <Butter> I worked deligently to read forum post before coming in here to be bothersome
Nov 26 19:57:51 <Marajin> ird: Wave cannot see your girlfriend so you get no invite! :p
Nov 26 19:58:07 <Butter> butter...( i'm a girl )  :-D
Nov 26 19:58:25 <DrFunk> be nice Marajin
Nov 26 19:58:35 <DrFunk> :)
Nov 26 19:58:57 <DrFunk> hey gkatsev
Nov 26 19:59:09 <ird> Marajin: Waves don't have eyes.
Nov 26 19:59:13 <Jack87> Butter... webos doctur?
Nov 26 19:59:20 <Butter> yes
Nov 26 19:59:32 <Jack87> wait you have already doctored?
Nov 26 19:59:33 <Butter> so, i did webos
Nov 26 19:59:34 <DrFunk> Butter: what veesion
Nov 26 19:59:37 <DrFunk> ack
Nov 26 19:59:41 <lucus86> I'm trying to get the browser multimod working what's the bast solution
Nov 26 19:59:44 <gkatsev> EPR does not remove themes
Nov 26 20:00:03 <Butter> let me look
Nov 26 20:00:10 <DrFunk> gkatsev: doctor should
Nov 26 20:00:14 <gkatsev> yeah
Nov 26 20:00:27 <gkatsev> i dont suggest install themes, it seems that they tend to mess up and then you have to do a webOsdr
Nov 26 20:00:28 <DrFunk> should remove all correct
Nov 26 20:00:51 <ird> gkatsev: Most of the themes annoy me more than anything.
Nov 26 20:01:02 <ird> They just make the OS look less unified.
Nov 26 20:01:16 <DrFunk> themes mess up phone
Nov 26 20:01:28 <DrFunk> wow my typing sucks today
Nov 26 20:01:34 <DrFunk> stinks*
Nov 26 20:01:35 <Marajin> ird: they do when google says they do! what do you think the oo in google is?
Nov 26 20:01:53 <Marajin> DrFunk: hah, add us all on wave then we can see how many corrections you're making before you hit enter ;)
Nov 26 20:02:00 <ird> Two Os.
Nov 26 20:02:15 <DrFunk> Marajin: using my pre
Nov 26 20:02:32 <Butter> not sure...itl just says sprint
Nov 26 20:02:36 <Butter> a bit frustrating
Nov 26 20:02:43 <Marajin> DrFunk: Bah, excuses!
Nov 26 20:02:45 <Butter> thougth I dl the most resent
Nov 26 20:02:53 <DrFunk> Butter: 1.3.1 ?
Nov 26 20:03:04 <Marajin> ird: Ah see, you poor confused innocent ... they want you to think they're just letters, but no!
Nov 26 20:03:06 <Butter> ok...let me look at the properties
Nov 26 20:03:29 <ird> Marajin: And global warming is real also..
Nov 26 20:03:31 <ird> -.-
Nov 26 20:03:50 <DrFunk> Marajin: na I'm on the pre
Nov 26 20:04:14 <DrFunk> no excuses
Nov 26 20:04:31 <Marajin> ird: Of course it is, we just want the world to warm up! it's too bloody cold here :P
Nov 26 20:05:29 <ird> I remember in school they preached global warming.
Nov 26 20:05:32 <lucus86> does sny one have a easier solution then rooting everything to get the browser mod installed
Nov 26 20:05:38 <Marajin> they did? man how old are you?
Nov 26 20:05:43 <ird> By 2010 California would be under water.
Nov 26 20:05:47 <ird> 21
Nov 26 20:05:55 <diabolical> how can I get preware to load? I'm gettingan error cannot call method 'split' of undefined
Nov 26 20:05:57 <Marajin> California doesn't know what water looks like for the most part :p
Nov 26 20:06:01 <Marajin> 'rain? what's rain?'
Nov 26 20:06:25 <ird> And now they're pushing global carbon taxes.
Nov 26 20:06:26 <ird> heh
Nov 26 20:06:54 <ird> I wonder when we'll all have to start breathing less to conserve air and produce less carbon.
Nov 26 20:07:07 <diabolical> is this a bad time to ask for help
Nov 26 20:07:08 <Marajin> ird: man, they want to put a 3 grand tax on new car purchases and put fuel up to 2.00 per litre in the next few years here
Nov 26 20:07:21 <Marajin> we just rebuilt the car industry damnit, stop trying to murder it again >.<
Nov 26 20:07:32 <ird> Where are you from?
Nov 26 20:08:15 <Marajin> England
Nov 26 20:08:36 <Marajin> which means yes, we're talking 10 bucks a gallon on that fuel price :p
Nov 26 20:08:45 <Marajin> and more like 5000 dollars on new cars
Nov 26 20:08:53 <ird> Yeah.
Nov 26 20:09:36 <Marajin> wait, we're talking .. 10 pounds a gallon, 16 bucks :)
Nov 26 20:10:13 <ird> Marajin: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/science/earth/21climate.html
Nov 26 20:10:16 <ird> have you heard about that?
Nov 26 20:11:01 <zsoc> cryptk-smoke is still gone
Nov 26 20:11:03 <zsoc> i think he actually might have died
Nov 26 20:11:20 <DrFunk> not nice zsoc
Nov 26 20:11:28 <Butter> Thanks everyone, I got it working.
Nov 26 20:11:47 <zsoc> DrFunk: that's exactly my point, i feel silly i made the comment earlier
Nov 26 20:11:47 <DrFunk> ok Butter
Nov 26 20:11:49 <Butter> Have a beautiful day :-D smooches!
Nov 26 20:11:55 <Jack87> bye Butter
Nov 26 20:12:00 <DrFunk> you too :)
Nov 26 20:12:10 <Jack87> eww kisses
Nov 26 20:12:18 <Jack87> cooties!
Nov 26 20:12:21 <ird> Not kisses, smooches.
Nov 26 20:12:26 <DrFunk> lets get Butter to wave
Nov 26 20:12:29 <Jack87> ird, oh okay
Nov 26 20:12:30 <Marajin> who what? smooches? is it feeeemale?
Nov 26 20:12:47 <Jack87> it is Marajin :)
Nov 26 20:12:48 <Butter> yes sir! 100% female
Nov 26 20:12:50 <ird> Marajin: Didn't the "I'm a girl" give it away?
Nov 26 20:12:55 * Marajin peers at Butter.
Nov 26 20:12:57 <Butter> too funny
Nov 26 20:13:01 <Marajin> there are no girls on the internet, you know this right?
Nov 26 20:13:11 <gkatsev> Marajin: IRC isnt the internet
Nov 26 20:13:20 <Marajin> gkatsev: there are no girls there either :(
Nov 26 20:13:25 <Marajin> I know, I've checked!
Nov 26 20:13:34 <Butter> I am an internet, web desinger junkieok. I will pop in another day. thanks for the help..
Nov 26 20:13:43 <Jack87> Butter, change your name to butters from south park he is cute
Nov 26 20:13:46 <gkatsev> well, i know of at least 2 girls on freenode.
Nov 26 20:13:53 <DrFunk> ciao Butter
Nov 26 20:13:56 <Jack87> bye
Nov 26 20:14:01 <Jack87> turkey time!
Nov 26 20:14:04 <Butter> ahhhh, ciao!
Nov 26 20:14:18 <gkatsev> au revoir
Nov 26 20:14:37 <Jack87> gkatsev, girls dont freenode.. you have to take them to atleast dinner first
Nov 26 20:14:40 <Marajin> gkatsev: Pics or no proof!
Nov 26 20:14:42 <zsoc> what does gender have to do with software development?
Nov 26 20:14:45 <Jack87> gkatsev, perhaps a few drinks
Nov 26 20:14:58 <Marajin> zsoc: fucked if I know, I know several girl devs, my girlfriend is an EECS student
Nov 26 20:15:02 <DrFunk> wow I forgot to charge my battery almost dead lol
Nov 26 20:15:26 <Jack87> i met one girl that thought she was a network admin
Nov 26 20:15:26 <gkatsev> Marajin: Adora.
Nov 26 20:15:35 <Marajin> Jack87: that thought she was? :P
Nov 26 20:16:16 <zomg> she was probably a admin of networks. The cleaning lady network
Nov 26 20:16:17 <zomg> err
Nov 26 20:16:18 <Jack87> Marajin, yes.. and she plays one on tv.. she used the story  get a hold of my hard drive
Nov 26 20:16:25 <zsoc> zomg
Nov 26 20:16:55 <Marajin> gkatsev: Adora flora?
Nov 26 20:17:08 <Marajin> gkatsev: italian love of flowers? :p
Nov 26 20:17:18 <Marajin> (or artificial butter)
Nov 26 20:17:25 <Jack87> she worked for some telecomunicatoins company... she worked night shift from like 11 to 7am doing support within the company
Nov 26 20:17:29 <zomg> zsoc
Nov 26 20:17:37 <cryptk-smoke> I'm back
Nov 26 20:17:40 <Jack87> meaning during the time where she just hung out on facebook :) since no one ever called
Nov 26 20:17:56 <cryptk> so zsoc, what was that command you wanted me to pastebin 30 seconds of?
Nov 26 20:17:56 <Marajin> cryptk: wow, that was a loooong smoke, cigar? :D
Nov 26 20:18:13 <cryptk> no, put the ham in the oven and started the sweet potatoes also, lol
Nov 26 20:18:24 <Marajin> mmm ham
Nov 26 20:18:28 <zomg> I work at a sw dev company.. bout 30 employees and none women :P
Nov 26 20:18:30 <Marajin> Can I come to your place? :P
Nov 26 20:18:42 <cryptk> supe, san antonio, come on over
Nov 26 20:18:47 <Marajin> zomg: It's ok, geek chicks aren't all that great ;)
Nov 26 20:18:48 <cryptk> s/supe/sure/
Nov 26 20:18:48 <infobot> cryptk meant: sure, san antonio, come on over
Nov 26 20:18:51 <zomg> consultign at a client which is a large company... they actually do have two women in our project, but they're both not coders but test leads actually
Nov 26 20:19:01 <Marajin> zomg: they don't put out, too busy recompiling their kernels
Nov 26 20:19:05 <Marajin> :p
Nov 26 20:19:08 <zomg> hehe
Nov 26 20:19:29 <Marajin> whereas none geek chicks will put out if you fix their computer for them
Nov 26 20:19:59 <zomg> will any chick do that? :P
Nov 26 20:19:59 <Jack87> testing software with the female race helps make software dummy proof.. sorry not being sexist just stating a fact
Nov 26 20:20:08 <Marajin> cryptk: meh the food'd be cold by the time my flight got in
Nov 26 20:20:15 <cryptk> zsoc, you there?
Nov 26 20:20:20 <Marajin> cryptk: I could import some cubans though! ;) the joys of living in a free country :D
Nov 26 20:20:29 <cryptk> marajin, we have a microwave
Nov 26 20:20:39 <Marajin> cryptk: Wow! Modern there aren't you? :P
Nov 26 20:20:43 <Jack87> Marajin, i want a cuban!
Nov 26 20:20:44 <cryptk> haha
Nov 26 20:20:55 <Marajin> Jack87: I meant cigars not women ;)
Nov 26 20:21:00 <cryptk> I want a cuban also... you bring me cubans, I will bake you a ham
Nov 26 20:21:07 <cryptk> and I mean cigar
Nov 26 20:21:08 <Jack87> some none geek chicks like the fact i am a geek!!! its weird but i only hear from them when they need computer help
Nov 26 20:21:26 <Marajin> cryptk: hah :) I'll bear it in mind man, if I ever fly over I'll tuck some cohibas in my pocket :)
Nov 26 20:21:30 <Jack87> Marajin, cant i want both?
Nov 26 20:21:36 <cryptk> why is my guake stuck on the bottom of my screen... it is supposed to be at the top...
Nov 26 20:21:37 <zomg> of course they like it if you fix their computers ;)
Nov 26 20:21:41 <Marajin> Jack87: Nope :p
Nov 26 20:22:16 <Jack87> zomg, oh!!! i never thought of that!
Nov 26 20:22:31 <zomg> when I was studying for my IT degree there were three girls in our class
Nov 26 20:22:34 <cryptk> ~seen zsoc
Nov 26 20:22:36 <zomg> two dropped out during the first year
Nov 26 20:22:37 <Marajin> zomg: did they pass?
Nov 26 20:22:39 <infobot> zsoc is currently on #webos-internals (4h 53m 28s). Has said a total of 137 messages. Is idling for 6m 13s, last said: 'zomg'.
Nov 26 20:22:40 <Marajin> heh :)
Nov 26 20:22:43 <zomg> not sure if the third ever graduated
Nov 26 20:22:45 <zomg> :P
Nov 26 20:23:07 <Marajin> It's funny putting girls in compsci/etc classes
Nov 26 20:23:12 <Marajin> nobody passes
Nov 26 20:23:19 <Jack87> it confuses me when i see a girl with a smartphone
Nov 26 20:23:25 <Jack87> but then i realize they got it for facebook
Nov 26 20:23:33 <Marajin> they just try to write code that will get them breasts
Nov 26 20:23:34 <zomg> my sister has one
Nov 26 20:23:39 <zomg> she had to get one when I got one
Nov 26 20:23:43 <Marajin> heh :)
Nov 26 20:23:51 <zomg> but she doesnt use any of the "smart" parts
Nov 26 20:23:58 <Marajin> I own a school, the teenage girls there adore my phones
Nov 26 20:24:01 <Jack87> haha zomg i know what you mean!
Nov 26 20:24:10 <Marajin> mainly because I have software that has interactive 3d fish
Nov 26 20:24:17 <a2ny|home> hi all
Nov 26 20:24:24 <Marajin> hey a2ny|home
Nov 26 20:24:28 <Jack87> and as butter showed us.. the themes!!!
Nov 26 20:24:35 <Jack87> they love themes
Nov 26 20:24:51 <Marajin> they do love themes it's true
Nov 26 20:25:06 <ird> Marajin: There is a game on my xbox where you play as a fish or something.
Nov 26 20:25:12 <Marajin> but it's odd having 14-15 year old girls run up to me in the corridor going 'fishy phone!'
Nov 26 20:25:16 <ird> My ex-girlfriend (18) she loved it.
Nov 26 20:25:20 <cryptk> so does anyone know why I am getting an error when I do 'dbus-util --capture' ?
Nov 26 20:25:28 <Marajin> I spilt a pint on that phone died and they sulked for a week
Nov 26 20:25:34 <Marajin> till I put koi pond on my ipod touch
Nov 26 20:25:54 <Marajin> s/phone died/phone, it died
Nov 26 20:26:12 <cryptk> s/phone died/phone, it died/
Nov 26 20:26:15 <Jack87> didnt you mean your itouch ;)
Nov 26 20:26:15 <cryptk> trailing slash
Nov 26 20:26:16 <Jack87> haha
Nov 26 20:26:22 <Marajin> cryptk: I'm aware, I just don't care ;)
Nov 26 20:26:26 <cryptk> haha
Nov 26 20:26:27 <zsoc> cryptk: wat
Nov 26 20:26:32 <cryptk> I bork it up all the time too, lol
Nov 26 20:26:46 <Marajin> cryptk: I'm too tired to care :P
Nov 26 20:26:49 <zsoc> cryptk: dbus-util --capture
Nov 26 20:27:02 <Jack87> i used to work at costco drove me nuts when people would ask do you have an itouch
Nov 26 20:27:17 <Jack87> few times i said no... just like we dont have inanos either
Nov 26 20:27:25 <Marajin> Jack87: there's no such thing ! there's an iPod Touch or an iPhone but not an iTouch ;)
Nov 26 20:27:54 <Jack87> there is a mytouch!
Nov 26 20:28:08 <Marajin> at least they didn't call it a TouchMy Pod
Nov 26 20:28:30 <Jack87> Marajin, i want an inano
Nov 26 20:28:50 <cryptk> ok zsoc, I get an error
Nov 26 20:28:52 <Marajin> Jack87: Just so you can pronounce it In-ane-oh ?
Nov 26 20:29:00 <cryptk> ERROR: Unable to connect to public bus: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.
Nov 26 20:29:23 <cryptk> and another one the exact same but for the private bus
Nov 26 20:29:25 <Marajin> cryptk: maybe the conductor is just annoyed at you :P
Nov 26 20:29:33 <cryptk> lol
Nov 26 20:29:42 <a2ny|home> cryptk: what happens when you run low freq and high voltage
Nov 26 20:29:50 * Marajin decides it's time for pouring a scotch
Nov 26 20:29:52 <Jack87> Marajin, its not a train... so it has a bus driver!
Nov 26 20:30:03 <cryptk> a2ny|home excess temperatures and premature failure
Nov 26 20:30:06 <Jack87> Marajin, its the afternoon you lush
Nov 26 20:30:11 <Marajin> Jack87: In proper countries we have 'bus conductors' ;)
Nov 26 20:30:19 <a2ny|home> cryptk: we are talking 125mhz @ 600mhz vcore
Nov 26 20:30:32 <a2ny|home> and by failure do you mean lockup or fried ?
Nov 26 20:30:37 <Marajin> Jack87: It's never too early for booze
Nov 26 20:30:40 <Jack87> a2ny|home, so what were your findings?
Nov 26 20:30:48 <cryptk> you will just be using more power than needed and creating more heat than needed to run it at 125
Nov 26 20:30:54 <Marajin> Jack87: did you miss the part where I said I run a school? it defends alcoholism nicely ;)
Nov 26 20:31:02 <cryptk> ideally you will be using as little vcore as possible to have the cpu be stable
Nov 26 20:31:13 <Jack87> Marajin, good point
Nov 26 20:31:24 <cryptk> by failure I mean fried
Nov 26 20:31:41 <Marajin> did you know that if you attach 600 MV to someone's nipples they run at 125mhz ? :D
Nov 26 20:31:48 <cryptk> heat is the enemy of overclocking processors, not the speed
Nov 26 20:32:01 <Jack87> cryptk, when i used your stable method of cpu scalling my phone over heated constantly in my pocket while idel and battery drained twice as fast
Nov 26 20:32:24 <cryptk> so you slowly up the freq until you get lockups, then you increase the vcore to get it stable again, then increase the freq again
Nov 26 20:32:25 <Jack87> this was months ago
Nov 26 20:32:30 <cryptk> and go back and forth
Nov 26 20:32:50 <cryptk> what method of mine did you use?
Nov 26 20:32:55 <zsoc> cryptk: .. i have no knowledge of such an error D:
Nov 26 20:32:56 <cryptk> I never gave you any method of overclocking
Nov 26 20:33:00 <Marajin> the method of madness!
Nov 26 20:33:07 <zsoc> cryptk: oh, try switching to root
Nov 26 20:33:12 <Jack87> cryptk, nm it wasnt you haha
Nov 26 20:33:18 <a2ny|home> smart reflex is jumpy
Nov 26 20:33:50 <cryptk> ahh, smart reflex is not MY method... it just happens to be the one that didn't lockup my phone
Nov 26 20:33:53 <cryptk> so I was trying it out
Nov 26 20:34:42 <cryptk> zsoc, this is all it gave me http://webos.pastebin.com/m6dcde013
Nov 26 20:34:46 <cryptk> just 2 lines of data
Nov 26 20:35:27 <cryptk> just gave me a third line... 4990.086	PRV	signal	971		:1.24	<none>	/com/palm/power/batteryStatus	«string=“{"percent":46,"percent_ui":48,"temperature_C":30,"current_mA":362,"voltage_mV":3913,"capacity_mAh":521.599976}”, string=“com.palm.power”»
Nov 26 20:35:54 <cryptk> just gave me a whole bunch of lines... lemme make a new pastebin...
Nov 26 20:36:21 <cryptk> zsoc, new pastebin http://webos.pastebin.com/m7b83cfaa
Nov 26 20:36:27 <Marajin> O.o percent and percent_ui are different? why would you do this? :p
Nov 26 20:36:53 <Jack87> cryptk, do not wifi tether with webos 1.3.1 and cpu scalling
Nov 26 20:37:01 <Jack87> or that goes for anyone
Nov 26 20:37:35 <zsoc> cryptk: hmm.. wasn't what i was looking for, but good information anyway
Nov 26 20:37:45 <zsoc> ctrl+c to kill it, btw
Nov 26 20:38:22 <zsoc> rwhitby: wake up :>
Nov 26 20:38:30 <Jack87> zsoc, yes i know sorry just a warning is all
Nov 26 20:38:58 <Jack87> zsoc, only applies to the donor version which patches pre to get wifi going again... soon enough i dont think it will be an issue with the 1.3.1 source out
Nov 26 20:39:35 <zsoc> wifi tethering in general is bad :P
Nov 26 20:39:53 <gkatsev> freeTether ftw!
Nov 26 20:40:06 <gkatsev> whenever PuffTheMagic_ releases it
Nov 26 20:40:33 <a2ny|home> its alpha..
Nov 26 20:40:42 <gkatsev> Jack87: dont call it a donor version. its a paid app, thats what it is.
Nov 26 20:40:44 <a2ny|home> I thought it was in the testing feed
Nov 26 20:41:05 <gkatsev> a2ny|home: is it? i should set up preware to have the testing feed.
Nov 26 20:41:17 <a2ny|home> smart reflex does nothing =\
Nov 26 20:41:20 <gkatsev> the wiki page has nothing on freetether, lol
Nov 26 20:41:34 <zsoc> gkatsev: rod put it in the testing feed accidentally while updating precorder
Nov 26 20:41:38 <zsoc> gkatsev: puff said he didn't mind :>
Nov 26 20:41:43 <Jack87> gkatsev, no its donor :)
Nov 26 20:41:52 <gkatsev> a2ny|home: it should save on battery life because it is supposed to reduce voltage to the cpu when not being used
Nov 26 20:42:15 <zsoc> gkatsev: is there any proof of that anywhere?
Nov 26 20:42:34 <gkatsev> zsoc: nope, but thats what is supposed to happen, no?
Nov 26 20:42:42 <zsoc> Yes "supposed to" lol
Nov 26 20:42:47 <Jack87> gkatsev, yes it should.... but i dont think it does
Nov 26 20:43:38 <a2ny|home> and this...
Nov 26 20:43:40 <a2ny|home> echo -n 1 > /sys/power/sr_vdd2_autocomp
Nov 26 20:43:43 <a2ny|home> does nothing
Nov 26 20:45:16 <a2ny|home> I get the same current usage with 125mhz with SR on and off
Nov 26 20:47:43 <DrFunk> wow
Nov 26 20:48:02 <a2ny|home> wow !
Nov 26 20:48:27 <DrFunk> looking for puff
Nov 26 20:48:43 <DrFunk> but he might be puffed out heh
Nov 26 20:48:58 <Jack87> Marajin, wave with me
Nov 26 20:49:09 * a2ny|home waves
Nov 26 20:49:11 <a2ny|home> anyways
Nov 26 20:49:15 <Marajin> Jack87: I'm too tired to wave with you, besides you can't afford my hourly rate ;)
Nov 26 20:49:37 <Jack87> we are waving about chicks who love guns!
Nov 26 20:50:05 <DrFunk> sup a2ny|home
Nov 26 20:50:49 <a2ny|home> with SR on... it cannot get the voltage up fast enough from 125 to 600
Nov 26 20:51:11 <a2ny|home> it seems like it locks the OPP at the current level
Nov 26 20:52:21 <Marajin> Jack87: butch chicks who look like they have more muscle mass than you!
Nov 26 20:52:52 <Jack87> scary isnt it
Nov 26 20:53:03 <Marajin> Jack87: No, because I probably have more muscle mass than you too? :p
Nov 26 20:53:17 <DarkSpecter> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-QbZCPrvl0
Nov 26 20:53:24 <DrFunk> hmmm
Nov 26 20:55:01 <DrFunk> wow DarkSpecter bored ?
Nov 26 20:55:07 <DrFunk> heh
Nov 26 20:55:32 <DarkSpecter> kinda *g
Nov 26 20:55:36 <Jack87> Marajin, you dont want to know about my muscle mass ;)
Nov 26 20:55:41 <Jack87> DarkSpecter, hahaha
Nov 26 20:55:44 <DrFunk> yo Marajin sup
Nov 26 20:55:47 <Marajin> Jack87: you have muscle mass? :p
Nov 26 20:55:54 <Marajin> DrFunk: hmm?
Nov 26 20:56:12 <DrFunk> what
Nov 26 20:56:28 <Jack87> Marajin, i am a strong nerd
Nov 26 20:56:29 <DrFunk> ?
Nov 26 20:56:52 <Marajin> Jack87: 267lbs of strong nerd? ;)
Nov 26 20:57:26 <Jack87> nah... i ah 150lbs of strong nerd
Nov 26 20:57:58 <acydlord> brute nerd
Nov 26 20:58:01 <DrFunk> 150 that's a twig
Nov 26 20:58:23 <Marajin> 150 is twiggy
Nov 26 20:58:37 <Marajin> I haven't been that light since I was 16 and ate an average of 1 meal a day... /maybe/
Nov 26 20:58:38 <DrFunk> don't go out in bad weather Jack87
Nov 26 20:58:45 <Jack87> lol i am a competative powerlifter my night job as a door guy at the bar ;)
Nov 26 20:59:16 <Marajin> 150lbs!
Nov 26 20:59:22 <Jack87> yup crazy eh
Nov 26 20:59:37 <Marajin> I could hold you up by your ankle and bounce you up and down man :p
Nov 26 20:59:38 <DarkSpecter> ...depends on the type of bar ...
Nov 26 20:59:44 <DrFunk> Jack87: its not a gay bar is it lol
Nov 26 20:59:56 * Marajin puts on the electric six record.
Nov 26 21:00:02 <DrFunk> DarkSpecter: read my mind
Nov 26 21:00:03 <Jack87> DrFunk, no sir
Nov 26 21:00:31 <Jack87> anyway this is a watercooler topic!
Nov 26 21:00:45 <Jack87> rwhitby, is going to yell at us just watch!
Nov 26 21:00:52 <Marajin> it's ok
Nov 26 21:01:04 <Marajin> just wear latex outfits and he'll enjoy it
Nov 26 21:01:05 <Jack87> Marajin, easy for you to say. your british
Nov 26 21:01:08 <DrFunk> na its thanksgiving
Nov 26 21:01:17 <Jack87> DrFunk, good point!
Nov 26 21:01:25 <Marajin> Jack87: I don't /quite/ see what that's got to do with the topic :P
Nov 26 21:01:33 <Jack87> DrFunk, but they dont believe in thanksgiving where he is from
Nov 26 21:01:49 <sugardave> blasphemy
Nov 26 21:02:02 <DrFunk> that's ok he can be thankful we r talking
Nov 26 21:02:02 <Marajin> Thanksgiving ist verboten!
Nov 26 21:02:06 <Jack87> i am a big fan of Doctor Who yay!
Nov 26 21:02:29 <Marajin> Jack87: see, you americans just always get it wrong.. you're supposed to be a fan of the master
Nov 26 21:02:50 <DrFunk> lol
Nov 26 21:02:54 <DrFunk> this is too funny
Nov 26 21:02:56 <Jack87> master?
Nov 26 21:03:02 * Jack87 is confused
Nov 26 21:03:08 <Marajin> Dr Who's arch enemy
Nov 26 21:03:11 <Marajin> yeesh :p
Nov 26 21:03:26 <Jack87> Marajin, sorry i been watching the newer version i havent seen the old one since i was 15
Nov 26 21:03:37 <Marajin> dude, the master is in the newer version
Nov 26 21:03:39 <Marajin> repeatedly :p
Nov 26 21:03:45 <DrFunk> lmfao
Nov 26 21:03:56 <Jack87> Marajin, hhaha it is?
Nov 26 21:04:04 <Marajin> yeeeees..
Nov 26 21:04:08 * Jack87 doesnt know shti about doctor who just thinks british talk funny
Nov 26 21:04:12 <Marajin> he was the central theme of one entire season :p
Nov 26 21:04:26 <Marajin> we do talk funny but that makes your women folk love us
Nov 26 21:04:29 <Marajin> we don't know why but we aren't complaining ;)
Nov 26 21:04:39 <Jack87> Marajin, i am on season two i hope that helps my defence
Nov 26 21:04:39 <acydlord> i'm still on season one of the new dr who. lessthanthree netflix
Nov 26 21:04:55 * Marajin has watched every episode of the new dr who :(
Nov 26 21:05:00 <Jack87> Marajin, its true the american woman folk do love you brits
Nov 26 21:05:02 <DrFunk> I don't watch it at all
Nov 26 21:05:11 <Marajin> Jack87: did you laugh when the dalek went 'elevaaaate!' ?
Nov 26 21:05:22 <Marajin> Jack87: srsly they do, what is that all about?
Nov 26 21:05:35 <Jack87> Marajin, haah ya i like the delake
Nov 26 21:05:39 <gkatsev> DrWho is awesome
Nov 26 21:05:42 <Jack87> delek
Nov 26 21:05:46 <DarkSpecter> who cares about the doctor, just gimme that screwdriver  :P
Nov 26 21:05:51 <gkatsev> ive been slowly watching the original 26 seasons
Nov 26 21:05:54 <Marajin> I'm sad that tennant is leaving for some dodgy teenager :(
Nov 26 21:05:57 <DrFunk> what the hell is Dr who ?
Nov 26 21:06:00 <Jack87> for some reason i always thought they were saying gaylick at first
Nov 26 21:06:09 <gkatsev> DrFunk: the best SF show on TV
Nov 26 21:06:16 <Marajin> Jack87: that's.. telling, very telling ;) Have you considered therapy?
Nov 26 21:06:27 <Jack87> Marajin, who is tennant
Nov 26 21:06:33 <DrFunk> gkatsev: what channel
Nov 26 21:06:39 <Marajin> oh yeah, you're still on christopher eccleston aren't you?
Nov 26 21:06:41 <gkatsev> DrFunk: BBC1
Nov 26 21:06:56 <gkatsev> i didnt like tennant at first, but grew to love him.
Nov 26 21:07:02 <DrFunk> why did I ask that gkatsev
Nov 26 21:07:07 <gkatsev> christopher eccleston was an amazing doctor
Nov 26 21:07:08 <Marajin> yeah he had a slow start but he became awesomeness
Nov 26 21:07:10 <DrFunk> what channel is that
Nov 26 21:07:16 <Jack87> bbc1 2 3 ?
Nov 26 21:07:19 <Marajin> but eccleston was odd but ranty and brilliant :)
Nov 26 21:07:19 <gkatsev> DrFunk: no clue, im not in the UK
Nov 26 21:07:30 <DrFunk> me either
Nov 26 21:07:31 <Marajin> BBC1 is funnily enough channel 1
Nov 26 21:07:54 <gkatsev>  i dl all my DrWho.
Nov 26 21:07:55 <DrFunk> is it a show that's on now ?
Nov 26 21:08:01 <gkatsev> it also comes out a month later in BBC america
Nov 26 21:08:05 <gkatsev> and then eventually on SF channel
Nov 26 21:08:08 <Marajin> gkatsev: so do I :p
Nov 26 21:08:16 <DrFunk> sifi ?
Nov 26 21:08:21 <gkatsev> DrFunk: no, it comes back in spring of 2010
Nov 26 21:08:21 <gkatsev> syfy
Nov 26 21:08:30 <Marajin> gkatsev: Top gear and Dr Who... Have I got News For You, nevermind the buzzcocks, brit tv is the best :p
Nov 26 21:08:32 <gkatsev> g2g, turkey is gobbling at me
Nov 26 21:08:42 <Marajin> argumental.. red dwarf, blackadder, fawlty towers..
Nov 26 21:08:54 <gkatsev> hammerhead eagle i-thrust
Nov 26 21:09:00 * Jack87 has to help mom take turkey out
Nov 26 21:09:00 <DrFunk> later gkatsev
Nov 26 21:09:01 <gkatsev> monty python
Nov 26 21:09:01 <Marajin> gkatsev: I preferred geoff :p
Nov 26 21:09:14 * Jack87 is also talking to his little brother in armenia
Nov 26 21:09:24 <DrFunk> wish I new what was going on lol
Nov 26 21:09:25 <Marajin> actually I didn't enjoy python on the whole.. while they had many hilarious moments they had far more '..eh? that's just silly' moments
Nov 26 21:09:55 <Marajin> DrFunk: Don't worry about it, we are a strange and confusing people with many outlandish ways
Nov 26 21:10:04 <DrFunk> Jack87: what is armenia
Nov 26 21:10:11 <Marajin> we dieify anyone who can be truly sarcastic
Nov 26 21:10:13 <Jack87> DrFunk, really?
Nov 26 21:10:21 <DrFunk> I see that
Nov 26 21:10:46 <DrFunk> Jack87: really what ?
Nov 26 21:11:10 <Jack87> DrFunk, country in europe.. i am actually Armenian
Nov 26 21:11:13 <cspark> boy.. took me 15 min to find out that I need to tap the server name and read the error msg...
Nov 26 21:11:53 <DrFunk> Jack87: was joking with ya
Nov 26 21:12:06 <Jack87> DrFunk, you confused me!
Nov 26 21:12:28 <DrFunk> that's easy ur armenian
Nov 26 21:12:31 <DrFunk> lol
Nov 26 21:12:33 <DrFunk> jk
Nov 26 21:13:31 <DrFunk> well I'm off for now bbl have a good one all
Nov 26 21:14:00 <Jack87> DrFunk, haha
Nov 26 21:37:24 <Jack87> any google voice experts here
Nov 26 21:38:32 <Jack87> i think i remember you used to be able to do the webdialing online but could manually enter what phone number to ring... am i wrong?
Nov 26 21:38:35 <Marajin> there is no such thing as a google voice expert!
Nov 26 21:38:57 <Jack87> Marajin, there is no such thing as google voice in the UK?
Nov 26 22:10:09 <mobgod> Marajin u there?
Nov 26 22:10:32 <mobgod> Jack87 ?
Nov 26 22:10:50 <Jack87> hi mobgod
Nov 26 22:11:01 <mobgod> Dr Who - Tom Baker (1974-1981)
Nov 26 22:11:10 <mobgod> thats a lot of shows
Nov 26 22:11:15 <mobgod> heh
Nov 26 22:11:33 <mobgod> u guys were talking about that before right?
Nov 26 22:12:38 <Jack87> yup
Nov 26 22:13:35 <mobgod> 55 gigs lol
Nov 26 22:13:49 <mobgod> brb
Nov 26 22:14:57 <Jack87> 55 gigs for the original collection?
Nov 26 22:19:01 <Marajin> mobgod: yo
Nov 26 22:19:07 <Butter> Jack87: Gracias! & Ciao Jack...great help...smooches, Butter
Nov 26 22:19:22 <Jack87> have a great day Butter
Nov 26 22:20:05 <DrFunk> darn missed butter
Nov 26 22:20:09 <DrFunk> :)
Nov 26 22:21:08 <DrFunk> Jack87: they don't make Dr who anymore do they ?
Nov 26 22:22:33 <Marajin> Jack87: a fly by smooching huh?
Nov 26 22:22:38 <Marajin> DrFunk: they most certainly do
Nov 26 22:22:39 <Jack87> DrFunk, there is a new doctor who
Nov 26 22:22:49 <Marajin> Longest running TV show.. EVAR
Nov 26 22:22:51 <Jack87> DrFunk, started in 2005
Nov 26 22:23:30 <DrFunk> the one I found said started in 1971 Tom baker
Nov 26 22:23:32 <Jack87> Marajin, what a nice fly by smooch it was to
Nov 26 22:23:54 <Marajin> DrFunk: heh, no doctor who started before that
Nov 26 22:24:01 <Jack87> DrFunk, the new one is different.. doctor who is weird...
Nov 26 22:24:20 <Jack87> i know even the old series had different doctors but i think tom baker was the loggest running doctor
Nov 26 22:24:50 <DrFunk> yea ok so when is a good time to pick it up
Nov 26 22:24:55 <Jack87> it was a little hard for me to get used to the doctor changing in season 2
Nov 26 22:24:56 <Marajin> he was the longest running but yeah the show goes back to the 60s at least I think
Nov 26 22:24:57 <DrFunk> what year ?
Nov 26 22:25:06 <Kyusaku> 1963
Nov 26 22:25:07 <Marajin> DrFunk: 2005 really if you're going to start fresh minded :p
Nov 26 22:25:14 <Jack87> DrFunk, you can pick it up from 2005
Nov 26 22:25:41 <DrFunk> yea wonder where I can get them
Nov 26 22:25:45 <Marajin> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0056751/ <-- original series
Nov 26 22:25:49 <Jack87> DrFunk, it wil be hard to enjoy the old doctor who knowing the new one is bad ass
Nov 26 22:25:54 <Marajin> 63-89
Nov 26 22:25:56 <Kyusaku> I <3 Troughton and Hartnell
Nov 26 22:26:00 <Marajin> then there was a movie
Nov 26 22:26:06 <Marajin> and then 2005 it started up again
Nov 26 22:26:24 <DrFunk> where can I get them ?
Nov 26 22:26:48 <Kyusaku> I actually started on 2005, and went back to the older serials and enjoy them more honestly.
Nov 26 22:27:13 <DrFunk> Kyusaku: where did you get them ?
Nov 26 22:27:23 <Kyusaku> Usenet mostly
Nov 26 22:27:45 <Kyusaku> a lot of older Doctor Who is on DVD as well
Nov 26 22:28:03 <Kyusaku> and available on netflix
Nov 26 22:28:34 <cryptk-pre> that was some good food...
Nov 26 22:28:35 <Jack87> doctorwho is on netflix
Nov 26 22:28:40 <Jack87> i downloaded from torrents
Nov 26 22:28:41 <DrFunk> yo cryptk-pre
Nov 26 22:29:02 <cryptk-pre> doctor who is on bittorrent...
Nov 26 22:29:14 <cryptk-pre> sup DrFunk
Nov 26 22:29:24 <gkatsev> Kyusaku: not enough.
Nov 26 22:29:31 <Marajin> http://thechive.com/2009/11/new-photos-of-the-worlds-tallest-model-arrive-10-photos-1-video/
Nov 26 22:29:37 <Marajin> heh
Nov 26 22:29:42 <gkatsev>  i have a torrent for ALL 26 seasons. if anyone needs/wants it, ping me
Nov 26 22:30:03 <Jack87> gkatsev, pin
Nov 26 22:30:07 <Jack87> ping
Nov 26 22:30:23 <gkatsev> Jack87: in a msg, with an email.
Nov 26 22:30:37 <gkatsev>  also, its a total of about 250 gigs, fyi
Nov 26 22:30:37 <cryptk-pre> gkatsev: I run my own site, lol
Nov 26 22:30:46 <cryptk-pre> brb
Nov 26 22:31:25 <cryptk-pre> back
Nov 26 22:31:38 <gkatsev> that was pointless
Nov 26 22:31:40 <cryptk-pre> was turning the wifi back on
Nov 26 22:33:16 <cryptk-pre> ~seen zsoc
Nov 26 22:33:19 <infobot> zsoc <n=nghr@unaffiliated/zsoc> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 1h 50m 37s ago, saying: 'Yes "supposed to" lol'.
Nov 26 22:39:41 <cryptk-pre> so my wirc seems to randomly disconnect...
Nov 26 22:40:19 <cryptk-pre> anyone else get thatdude|snoring ?
Nov 26 22:47:44 <rwhitby> zsoc|away: gstservice 0.3.0 released to testing feed
Nov 26 22:48:23 <cryptk-pre> oooh... me wanna test...
Nov 26 22:48:34 <DrFunk> sup rwhitby
Nov 26 22:48:47 <zsoc|away> rwhitby: ty
Nov 26 22:53:34 * Jack87 just ate turkey and is going to nap
Nov 26 22:54:54 <cryptk> zsoc, any ideas about the a/v sync?  I haven't tried with the new service yet though...
Nov 26 22:56:27 <zsoc|away> cryptk: my idea is i have no problems with a/v sync, and this is alpha software, i don't mind you having an issue with it :) It's on the map
Nov 26 22:56:42 <zsoc|away> until then, all i can say is turn off your wifi and bluetooth and stop letting mytether infect your phone :P
Nov 26 22:57:07 <cryptk> cool, I will remove mytether and test again with wifi off
Nov 26 22:57:20 <cryptk> zsoc|away: I was just letting you know of any issues I have found is all
Nov 26 22:57:26 <cryptk> I understand it is alpha
Nov 26 22:57:44 <Jack87> gkatsev, wow each episode is devided in like 5 parts
Nov 26 22:57:46 <zsoc|away> cryptk: you've let me know about that issue 3 times today i believe :>
Nov 26 22:58:02 <cryptk> zsoc|away: sorry, been really busy today and I am a little forgetful, lol
Nov 26 22:58:27 <gkatsev> Jack87: each part is really an episode. its weird, the naming convention
Nov 26 22:58:51 <Jack87> gkatsev, british are just weird right Marajin
Nov 26 22:59:28 <Jack87> gkatsev, its only 201gig ;) not 250
Nov 26 23:00:11 <Jack87> gkatsev, at 2k a seocnd i will be done in no time lol
Nov 26 23:00:30 <DrFunk> lmfao
Nov 26 23:00:51 <gkatsev> Jack87: just keep it on 24/7. i dled the first 3 seasons in 3 days
Nov 26 23:01:03 <gkatsev> anyway, g2g
Nov 26 23:01:04 <gkatsev> bye
Nov 26 23:01:05 <gkatsev> ttyl
Nov 26 23:01:32 <Jack87> i will just download an "episode" at a time as i watch... the torrent seems to have potential. anyway see ya
Nov 26 23:01:59 <greg_roll> Hi guys, any GSM users on here?
Nov 26 23:03:42 * rwhitby is considering an unlocked spanish movistar gsm qwerty
Nov 26 23:03:59 <greg_roll> rwhitby: they are unlocked?
Nov 26 23:04:07 <rwhitby> greg_roll: imei unlocked
Nov 26 23:04:42 <greg_roll> rwhitby: damn, i should have waited. Is imei unlocked OK?
Nov 26 23:06:34 <greg_roll> rwhitby: Should i expand my /var to 2gig? I should I just wait for Palm to fix App space?
Nov 26 23:06:36 <rwhitby> greg_roll: that's the way that the carrier unlocks the phone when you pay out the contract
Nov 26 23:06:55 <rwhitby> greg_roll: do you need more than 6G of /media space?
Nov 26 23:07:23 <greg_roll> rwhitby: arhhh cool. thanks. 6GB no I never used my 2gb in all my other phones lol
Nov 26 23:08:52 <en0x> i have /var 2gb and i'm happy
Nov 26 23:08:59 <en0x> i dont even use the rest of /media/internal
Nov 26 23:09:02 <en0x> i dont need it
Nov 26 23:10:03 <greg_roll> I think you have answered that nicely. Thanks guys :)
Nov 26 23:10:17 <Jack87-wIRC>  hate how palm did away with sd card. that might be what hurts them in the long run vs andrioid phones
Nov 26 23:10:20 <greg_roll> now all I know is for my Pre to show up. Hopefully it doesnt get lost like rwhitby
Nov 26 23:10:32 <dBsooner> rwhitby: did you ever get your Pre?
Nov 26 23:11:31 <DrFunk> sup dBsooner
Nov 26 23:11:41 <rwhitby> dBsooner: nope.  it's lost.  going through long insurance claim process with DHL
Nov 26 23:11:49 <dBsooner> DrFunk: If its about the toolchain, talk with rwhitby.. :D
Nov 26 23:12:02 <DrFunk> rwhitby: that sucks
Nov 26 23:12:09 <dBsooner> rwhitby: Man. Thant sucks, sorry to hear that "mate".
Nov 26 23:12:11 <dBsooner> :D
Nov 26 23:12:28 <DrFunk> toolchain ?
Nov 26 23:16:01 <sslow> dbsooner: Ive modified the batt and percent icon patch to be white only as per a request on precentral.net and he asked if I would upload to PreWare.   Do I need permission from the author or can I just submit it?
Nov 26 23:16:25 <dBsooner> Umm.. who is the original author?
Nov 26 23:16:36 <dBsooner> Is it posted on the Wiki?
Nov 26 23:16:52 <dBsooner> If it was posted to Wiki then it's MIT licensed.
Nov 26 23:17:08 <sslow> not sure if its webby-s nesl7
Nov 26 23:17:25 <dBsooner> We REALLY, really need a "modify" app
Nov 26 23:17:32 <dBsooner> One that allows you to change these settings...
Nov 26 23:17:51 <dBsooner> Like what color you want your top bar fonts, what size, what color you want the charge indicator, etc.
Nov 26 23:17:51 <cryptk> something to just adjust colors?
Nov 26 23:18:00 <sslow> I agree! Im not good enough to write one though
Nov 26 23:18:03 <cryptk> that would be pretty sweet
Nov 26 23:18:18 <cryptk> that may be something to get my feet wet in pre programming
Nov 26 23:18:37 <dBsooner> It would be much better than having a dozen different variants of the same code
Nov 26 23:18:47 <cryptk> I have done alot of web developement and my understanding is that programming for a pre is pretty much html, css and javascript
Nov 26 23:19:02 <dBsooner> Or we need to figure out a safe way to do User Input on patches.
Nov 26 23:19:09 <dBsooner> where Preware can ask a question
Nov 26 23:19:09 <cryptk> I am not too familiar with making custom services though... or C programming at all really
Nov 26 23:19:24 <Jack87-wIRC> dBsooner: that be lik an app that patches on the fly as you choose?
Nov 26 23:19:26 <dBsooner> cryptk: it woulnd't need to be any of that.
Nov 26 23:19:41 <cryptk> yeah
Nov 26 23:19:50 <sslow> untill someone does one, any thought to make another catergory in preware for such patches...ie visual changes
Nov 26 23:20:11 <greg_roll> it would be great to have Preware ask install questions. For instance the messaging plugins installs lots of plugins. If you only want one of them you get them all
Nov 26 23:20:23 <cryptk> it would just need to make a master css file, include itself in the other necessary html files, then it can jsut change it's own css file and the change should push out (after a luna restart)
Nov 26 23:20:46 <cryptk> I could prolyl handle all of that, just don't know when I would have time
Nov 26 23:20:54 <cryptk> s/prolyl/prolly/
Nov 26 23:20:54 <infobot> cryptk meant: I could prolly handle all of that, just don't know when I would have time
Nov 26 23:20:57 <dBsooner> Jack87-wIRC: In a sense.. but not really. It would need to be safe for the end user. That is why we have not created a user input on any patches. Because it creates a huge security hole.
Nov 26 23:21:18 <cryptk> you would have to create some really good input validation...
Nov 26 23:21:35 <Jack87-wIRC> dBsooner: yes. it will conflict with other patches people would try to install
Nov 26 23:21:48 <dBsooner> greg_roll: That is what I said above about having preware allowing user input.. BUT.. That creates a HUGE security hole.
Nov 26 23:22:06 <sslow> I know these are just a crutch right now but they are really popular with the people who have no clue how to edit .css or make a patch
Nov 26 23:22:19 <greg_roll> dBsooner: yeah i agree. I was agreeing with you but it didn't sound that way :)
Nov 26 23:22:32 <dBsooner> greg_roll: Yeah, I was confuseled at first.
Nov 26 23:22:45 <dBsooner> Maybe Ares will bring about the ability for such app to be easy to make?
Nov 26 23:22:47 <greg_roll> dBsooner: hehe
Nov 26 23:22:56 <cryptk> it would be more like an on phone theming application...
Nov 26 23:23:13 <dBsooner> I want my Scanner 911 app fisrt
Nov 26 23:23:37 <dBsooner> I HATE my iPhone friends that rub it in my face all the time with their Scanner 911.. when I can't have it.
Nov 26 23:23:40 <cryptk> dBsooner: scanner 911?
Nov 26 23:24:04 <dBsooner> http://www.scanner911app.com/
Nov 26 23:24:06 <DrFunk> I want a barcode app
Nov 26 23:24:12 <greg_roll> you could have an application set "Preferences" which are just files on the file system. Then when the patch installs and runs preinst it sould grep a file for e.g. a colour (colour for you US peoples :)) and then the patch would apply appropiately
Nov 26 23:24:20 <sslow> Palm should have already implemented this.. I mean people want their Pre to be personalized not the same as everybody elses.ya know
Nov 26 23:24:20 <dBsooner> uses feeds from www.radioreference.com
Nov 26 23:24:32 <Jack87-wIRC> DrFunk: +1 on barcode scanner
Nov 26 23:24:46 <greg_roll> would make it easy for reinstall after an OS update
Nov 26 23:25:06 <dBsooner> greg_roll: I think the patch should just set the variable
Nov 26 23:25:25 <dBsooner> greg_roll: Then the "Settings" scene/app would set that variable to a color.
Nov 26 23:25:40 <dBsooner> greg_roll: It would need to be somewhat universal though.. so it would work across multiple scenes.
Nov 26 23:26:02 <cryptk> dBsooner: does it get the audio from there as well? kind of like a podcast?
Nov 26 23:26:17 <dBsooner> sslow: Not necessarily. Palm wanted a "no frills, easy to use, no bells and whistles, get sh!t done" device.
Nov 26 23:26:20 <cryptk> or does it somehow pick it up using the built in radio in the phone...
Nov 26 23:26:29 <dBsooner> of which they still haven't really done.
Nov 26 23:26:51 <dBsooner> cryptk: Yes, it streams the feed directly from radioreference.com
Nov 26 23:26:58 <dBsooner> you can listen to it on your computer
Nov 26 23:27:16 <DrFunk> dBsooner: would a barcode scanner be possible ?
Nov 26 23:27:31 <cryptk> wow, pretty slick... it is really just a customized podcasting/streaming app if you think about it...
Nov 26 23:28:11 <Jack87-wIRC> DrFunk: I don't see why not I had one on my old palm os via camera
Nov 26 23:28:25 <sslow> dbsooner: so I am not able to submit?
Nov 26 23:28:28 <dBsooner> and when it says, "Listen to it while you do other things on your iPhone", it simply launches a browser (Opera) to the radioreference browser page
Nov 26 23:28:30 <zsoc|away> The camera on the pre has no macro focusing.
Nov 26 23:28:38 <dBsooner> and plays it in the background on the browser while you do other things on the iPhone.
Nov 26 23:28:50 <cryptk> pretty slick app...
Nov 26 23:28:59 <dBsooner> sslow: oh sh!t.. let me look
Nov 26 23:29:10 <dBsooner> cryptk
Nov 26 23:29:21 <rwhitby> dBsooner: we need patches that add preferences, rather than 10 patches that each set something slightly different
Nov 26 23:29:22 <DrFunk> so zsoc|away not possible than
Nov 26 23:29:26 <cryptk> anyways, time to get off the compy for a bit... zsoc|away I promise I won't ask you about a/v sync again, lol... I made a sticky note on my monitor, lol
Nov 26 23:29:31 <dBsooner> rwhitby: that is waht I said. ;)
Nov 26 23:29:42 <cryptk> dBsooner: yes?
Nov 26 23:29:55 <rwhitby> greg_roll: the messaging plugins should be down with multiple dependent packages
Nov 26 23:29:58 <dBsooner> cryptk: I am asking Jordan to make the Scanner 911 style app
Nov 26 23:30:10 <dBsooner> Jordan = 15 year old that made Checkers. :)
Nov 26 23:30:17 <dBsooner> aka kesne
Nov 26 23:30:18 <cryptk> dBsooner: sweet, I would love to test that thing
Nov 26 23:30:24 <cryptk> seems like a smart kid
Nov 26 23:30:27 <zsoc|away> rwhitby: weren't you the one that said preware just loads the feeds and installs the software? We can't control how people decide they want to patch/theme things, regardless of how stupid it is
Nov 26 23:30:28 <dBsooner> damn smart
Nov 26 23:30:48 <zsoc|away> kesne a smart kid?
Nov 26 23:30:56 * zsoc|away covers his mouth
Nov 26 23:31:12 <cryptk> I think I am gonna install the SDK, maybe play around with it for a bit... see what I can work out...
Nov 26 23:31:23 <rwhitby> dBsooner: no, I mean the patch needs to add a preference panel that the user can change on the fly after installation
Nov 26 23:31:31 <kesne> why does zsoc|away hate me?
Nov 26 23:31:32 <sslow> <+dBsooner> rwhitby: I agree Im just trying to halp the people who dont have the ability to edit .css or make patches get the same enjoyment as we do!
Nov 26 23:31:51 <DrFunk> well I'm off for now
Nov 26 23:31:54 <DrFunk> bbl all
Nov 26 23:32:23 <rwhitby> zsoc|away: yes, preware the application isn't stopping the 600MHz patches, the maintainers of the webos-patches feed are.  anyone can create their own kill-your-phone.com feed and load it into Preware
Nov 26 23:32:24 <Abyssul_wIRC> some heavy thinking going on here?
Nov 26 23:32:42 * zsoc|away registers kill-your-phone.com
Nov 26 23:33:12 <jack87_> lol
Nov 26 23:33:23 <zsoc|away> there's still no proof any of those patches actually do.. anything
Nov 26 23:33:37 <dBsooner> sslow: I don't have record of how those patches came to us.. and they are not on the wiki
Nov 26 23:33:39 <Abyssul_wIRC> lies
Nov 26 23:33:45 <dBsooner> sslow: Please try to contact the original developer
Nov 26 23:34:17 <sslow> dbsooner: I will thanks for checking
Nov 26 23:34:25 <rwhitby> zsoc|away: agreed.  all I know is that they were not stable for too many people for them to remain in the feeds.
Nov 26 23:35:25 <Abyssul_wIRC> guess who gets .5 percent per hour battery life with internet enabled while idle :p
Nov 26 23:36:04 <jack87_> Abyssul_wIRC, no one?
Nov 26 23:36:24 <Abyssul_wIRC> I do at work. :)
Nov 26 23:36:40 <Abyssul_wIRC> but that's because I get 5 bars
Nov 26 23:36:56 <sslow> dbsooner: it really doesnt matter to me, I was just checking legality because i was asked to submit...Didnt want to cause problems for anybody.  Thanks for your time
Nov 26 23:37:50 <dBsooner> sslow: Man I don't mind putting it up. But we need to find out how the original got here.. if the original author submitted it directly to gitorious.org themselves, then its MIT.
Nov 26 23:38:19 <zsoc|away> what patch?
Nov 26 23:38:19 <greg_roll> rwhitby: ill have a look at that. One of the linux apps will always have code for everything but good idea!
Nov 26 23:38:19 <dBsooner> If egaudet combed the forums on pc.net and copied the .patch, then it's not.
Nov 26 23:38:27 * jack87_ jack thinks you are taking such a simple thing way too seriously
Nov 26 23:38:44 <sslow> no problem... I understand really!    no skin off my back either way
Nov 26 23:39:55 <dBsooner> zsoc|away: the Battery AS percent and Battery AND percent.
Nov 26 23:41:20 <zsoc|away> dBsooner: you know i always wondered where they came from, heh
Nov 26 23:41:23 <rwhitby> jack87_: are you referring to the patch licensing?
Nov 26 23:42:08 <dBsooner> zsoc|away: Yeah, That is why I am including a .LICENSE file with all patches I commit.
Nov 26 23:42:27 <dBsooner> So i knwo where they come from and that they can be modified/copied/combined/etc.
Nov 26 23:47:12 <Rick_work> which, by the way, takes us back to the original design of preware, where that was going to be a feature.
Nov 26 23:50:55 <sslow>  dbsooner: acording to the listing in PreWare its MIT Licensed.
Nov 26 23:51:10 <dBsooner> sslow: That's default for all patches in preware.
Nov 26 23:51:16 <dBsooner> the build script sets all patches MIT licensed
Nov 26 23:51:27 <sslow> : the author hasnt been on precentral in 2 mos
Nov 26 23:51:28 <dBsooner> that's a common misconception from day 1
Nov 26 23:51:42 <dBsooner> sslow: I am going to defer to rwhitby then.
Nov 26 23:51:58 <sslow> ok
Nov 26 23:52:05 <dBsooner> sslow: has their "homepage" (the thread) been updated with an recent changes, etc?
Nov 26 23:52:21 <sslow> ill check
Nov 26 23:55:22 <sslow> dbsooner: nothing since early october
Nov 26 23:55:36 <dBsooner> Hmm
Nov 26 23:55:39 <dBsooner> rwhitby: ?
Nov 26 23:57:46 <rwhitby> dBsooner: have we found the original wiki entry or posting of the patch?
Nov 26 23:58:02 <dBsooner> rwhitby: there is no wiki entry.
Nov 26 23:58:16 <dBsooner> rwhitby: the orgiinal posting is on Precentral.net by someone who has not signed on ther ein 2 months.
Nov 26 23:58:26 <dBsooner> rwhitby: the thread also has not been updated since early october.
Nov 26 23:58:39 <rwhitby> dBsooner: URL?
Nov 26 23:58:46 <dBsooner> sslow?
Nov 26 23:59:22 <greg_roll> anyone on now with the App Cat unavailable error?
Nov 26 23:59:40 <sslow> dbsooner: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/194029-battery-place-icon-working-1-1-0-color.html
Nov 27 00:00:39 <sslow> greg_roll: works for me
Nov 27 00:01:29 <greg_roll> sslow: cool looking for those importers with the error. I have a theory on how to fix but I dont have my Pre yet :)
Nov 27 00:02:35 <dBsooner> rwhitby: you get that link there?
Nov 27 00:02:54 <dBsooner> I see the posts by webby and nesl247 were back in july
Nov 27 00:04:46 <sslow> dbsooner: rwitby;  just to be clear Im not trying to take credit for their work.  I will give credit in the description for their work.
Nov 27 00:05:09 <dBsooner> sslow: Yeah, I understand mate.. We just have to obey original copyright.
Nov 27 00:05:09 <zsoc|away> everyone see the crappy $0.99 virtual keyboard?
Nov 27 00:05:35 <sslow> zsoc:  thats terrible huh
Nov 27 00:05:49 <dBsooner> about as bad as that Checkers game
Nov 27 00:06:05 <sslow> dbsooner: i completely understand
Nov 27 00:08:27 <rwhitby> sslow, dBsooner: I've sent him a message to confirm licensing.  sslow please continue the contribution assuming that the original author is ok with MIT licensing, but we will not publish until we get the OK from the original author.
Nov 27 00:08:50 <rwhitby> zsoc|away: is there a screen-shot somewhere of that keyboard?
Nov 27 00:08:56 <sslow> rhwitby: that works
Nov 27 00:09:00 <dBsooner> rwhitby: did you send it to webby?
Nov 27 00:09:02 <sslow> thanks
Nov 27 00:09:07 <dBsooner> beacuse webby really didn't make the one that we use now
Nov 27 00:09:17 <dBsooner> it was all nesl247
Nov 27 00:09:20 <rwhitby> dBsooner: nesl247
Nov 27 00:09:20 <zsoc|away> rwhitby: it;s not actually a keyboard. it's an app with a keyboard in it.
Nov 27 00:09:38 <dBsooner> thanks rwhitby.
Nov 27 00:09:54 <Jack87-wIRC> zsoc|away: how would it work other then inside the app itself
Nov 27 00:09:59 <sslow> just noticed on Preware it also lists Jason Robatille
Nov 27 00:10:02 <zsoc|away> Jack87: it doesn't
Nov 27 00:10:53 <Jack87-wIRC> haha its a scam
Nov 27 00:11:05 <Jack87-wIRC> poor general public will buy it
Nov 27 00:11:41 <rwhitby> sslow: Jason is on board with MIT patches.
Nov 27 00:11:54 <Jack87-wIRC> sslow: I think that's because jason adopted the patch for his webosquick install
Nov 27 00:13:09 <Jack87-wIRC> I can't imagine how someone call call a patch their own though considering I can go make a similar version of the same patch without even touching the original
Nov 27 00:14:34 <Jack87-wIRC> without even knowing the 'original' exists
Nov 27 00:18:40 <Jack87-wIRC> man did I say something wrong?
Nov 27 00:19:00 <Abyssul_wIRC> yes
Nov 27 00:19:04 <Abyssul_wIRC> :p
Nov 27 00:20:31 <Jack87-wIRC> I think I broke irc with my ignorence
Nov 27 00:21:00 <Abyssul_wIRC> you broke the internetz
Nov 27 00:21:35 <Jack87-wIRC> save the internet!
Nov 27 00:21:43 <Jack87-wIRC> IT crowd!
Nov 27 00:22:10 <Abyssul_wIRC> just log off then
Nov 27 00:23:28 * Jack87-wIRC is watching the ring move
Nov 27 00:23:53 * Jack87-wIRC can't remember the name but it has hobbits.. 
Nov 27 00:25:03 <Abyssul_wIRC> lord of the rings? lol
Nov 27 00:25:42 <Jack87-wIRC> that one! haha driving me crazy I couldn't think of it
Nov 27 00:26:07 <Jack87-wIRC> I haven't seen it yet figured its time now that fad has passed
Nov 27 00:34:14 <Jack87> `
Nov 27 01:18:59 <rwhitby> Jack87: there is absolutely no problem with someone doing an independent implementation of the same patch and then licensing that as MIT.  You just can't cut and paste from the original file, cause that breaks copyright laws, no matter how obvious the implementation is.
Nov 27 01:21:48 <JayCanuck> hi all
Nov 27 01:22:11 <JayCanuck> my Pre arrived in the mail today! :D
Nov 27 01:23:05 <Jack87> canadians get mail on thanksgiving:)
Nov 27 01:23:45 <JayCanuck> lol
Nov 27 01:26:03 <Jack87> :) cdma?
Nov 27 01:26:05 <Jack87> o
Nov 27 01:26:07 <Jack87> r gsm
Nov 27 01:26:07 <Jack87> ?
Nov 27 01:26:08 <Jack87> \
Nov 27 01:27:11 <en0x> hmm
Nov 27 01:27:22 <en0x> if i turn data off on my pre i will still be able to get txt right?
Nov 27 01:27:45 <Jack87> yes
Nov 27 01:28:19 <en0x> kk
Nov 27 01:28:29 <en0x> thx
Nov 27 01:30:31 <JayCanuck> lol, got sidetracked
Nov 27 01:30:33 <JayCanuck> cdma
Nov 27 01:31:00 <JayCanuck> for developing only, got donated to be by the ever gracious 2sslow :)
Nov 27 01:31:04 <en0x> wtf
Nov 27 01:31:14 <en0x> i upgraded gst service
Nov 27 01:31:25 <en0x> and now my phone is in offline mode
Nov 27 01:31:25 <en0x> :S
Nov 27 01:31:51 <greg_roll> en0x: java possibly got restarted as part of the install
Nov 27 01:31:58 <greg_roll> which kills the phone too
Nov 27 01:31:59 <en0x> i even rebooted the pre
Nov 27 01:32:02 <en0x> still offline
Nov 27 01:32:06 <greg_roll> oh :(
Nov 27 01:32:26 <en0x> i cant even ssh to my pre
Nov 27 01:32:32 <bpadalino> ouch
Nov 27 01:32:54 <en0x> ok got it to work
Nov 27 01:32:55 <en0x> ha!
Nov 27 01:32:59 <Jack87> JayCanuck, welcome to the real wolrd of the pre
Nov 27 01:33:03 * en0x is the mastah
Nov 27 01:35:34 <Jack87> JayCanuck, excited to see your progrram in action?
Nov 27 01:35:50 <JayCanuck> gotta get around activation and charge first ;)
Nov 27 01:35:55 <JayCanuck> but yea, very :D
Nov 27 01:36:53 <DrFunk> can anyone tell me why my Pre wants to keep rebooting when I access the web ?
Nov 27 01:37:39 <Jack87> JayCanuck, meta doctor?
Nov 27 01:37:46 <JayCanuck> yea
Nov 27 01:37:49 <Jack87> DrFunk, hates you
Nov 27 01:38:06 <en0x> DrFunk, i know why
Nov 27 01:38:07 <en0x> :D
Nov 27 01:38:07 <DrFunk> na really Jack87
Nov 27 01:38:29 <DrFunk> en0x: let me guess bc I'm a yankee
Nov 27 01:38:34 <en0x> yap
Nov 27 01:38:34 <en0x> :D
Nov 27 01:38:36 <en0x> hahahaha
Nov 27 01:39:02 <Jack87> DrFunk, i have ne clue i figure you would know.. patches and j unk?
Nov 27 01:39:06 <DrFunk> ok now for a real answer anyone no why ?
Nov 27 01:39:32 <DrFunk> Jack87: na don't have any really
Nov 27 01:39:46 <DrFunk> maybe a reboot ?
Nov 27 01:40:25 <Jack87> you havent rebooted when it asked? maybe doing so will fix it
Nov 27 01:41:45 <DrFunk> what do you mean when it asked
Nov 27 01:42:00 <Jack87> didnt you say it keeps wanting to reboot
Nov 27 01:42:10 <Jack87> i am so contused what is going on again
Nov 27 01:42:23 <DrFunk> I think luna is just restarting
Nov 27 01:43:07 <Jack87> i have only experinced that once when luna restarted by itself it was during a time when i was applying a patch
Nov 27 01:43:19 <DrFunk> maybe the web page is hanging up the system
Nov 27 01:44:22 <DrFunk> well I'm on a page than it just won't do anything finally I see the palm logo
Nov 27 01:44:24 <Jack87> just does it on one page?
Nov 27 01:44:42 <DrFunk> yea so far
Nov 27 01:45:29 <DrFunk> but its the page for here
Nov 27 01:45:37 <DrFunk> that its happening
Nov 27 01:47:31 <Jack87>  page for this irc channel?
Nov 27 01:47:43 <DrFunk> yes
Nov 27 01:47:48 <Jack87> i can try it on my pre if you want to see if it does it to me
Nov 27 01:47:53 <Jack87> but why dont you just use wirc
Nov 27 01:48:02 <Jack87> irc client for the pre
Nov 27 01:48:21 <DrFunk> I do
Nov 27 01:48:34 <DrFunk> I'm talking about the web
Nov 27 01:48:36 <Jack87> oh...
Nov 27 01:48:38 <DrFunk> not irc
Nov 27 01:48:41 <DrFunk> lol
Nov 27 01:48:59 <Jack87> i am so contused... does anyone else understand why DrFunk is talking about?
Nov 27 01:49:07 <DrFunk> sup a2ny-wirc
Nov 27 01:49:16 <a2ny-wirc> what up
Nov 27 01:49:28 <DrFunk> nada u
Nov 27 01:49:43 <DrFunk> Jack87: what didn't you get
Nov 27 01:49:47 <a2ny-wirc> just finished some dinner
Nov 27 01:49:59 <DrFunk> nice I'm full myself
Nov 27 01:50:37 <Jack87> what page crashes your pre
Nov 27 01:50:47 <Jack87> what is theurl
Nov 27 01:51:28 <DrFunk> Jack87: if I close wirc and just goto surf the web when I goto webos web page it hangs up than I see the palm logo like 30 secs later
Nov 27 01:52:01 <Jack87> do you have any patches installed that might cause this
Nov 27 01:52:15 <DrFunk> no
Nov 27 01:52:41 <DrFunk> this never happened before
Nov 27 01:52:51 <DrFunk> that's why I'm asking
Nov 27 01:53:15 <DrFunk> web page is www.webos-internals.org
Nov 27 01:53:59 <en0x-wIRC> so what is the webpage that crashes ur pre?
Nov 27 01:54:37 <DrFunk> webos-internals.org
Nov 27 01:55:06 <en0x-wIRC> works fine for me
Nov 27 01:55:09 <a2ny-wirc> hmm
Nov 27 01:55:18 <a2ny-wirc> me too
Nov 27 01:55:28 <Jack87> me three
Nov 27 01:55:28 <DrFunk> see wtf
Nov 27 01:55:52 <en0x-wIRC> you borked ur pre
Nov 27 01:55:53 <en0x-wIRC> :=
Nov 27 01:56:35 <DrFunk> who ?
Nov 27 01:56:54 <en0x-wIRC> u
Nov 27 01:57:07 <DrFunk> lol ur funny
Nov 27 01:57:24 <en0x-wIRC> somebody has to be
Nov 27 01:57:34 <DrFunk> I guess a2ny-wirc  broke his phone also
Nov 27 01:57:48 <a2ny-wirc> lol
Nov 27 01:57:53 <a2ny-wirc> neg
Nov 27 01:58:02 <en0x-wIRC> hehehe
Nov 27 01:58:08 <a2ny-wirc> :)
Nov 27 01:58:28 <DrFunk> a2ny-wirc: it did happened to you also right ?
Nov 27 01:58:36 <a2ny-wirc> nah
Nov 27 01:58:53 <a2ny-wirc> did my connection reset? I am on wifi
Nov 27 01:59:03 <Jack87> worke for us all
Nov 27 01:59:21 <DrFunk> darn
Nov 27 01:59:28 <DrFunk> going to try again
Nov 27 01:59:37 <en0x-wIRC> my pre is happy
Nov 27 01:59:40 <Jack87> do a full reboot
Nov 27 01:59:42 <a2ny-wirc> mine too
Nov 27 02:00:43 <DrFunk> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Main_Page
Nov 27 02:00:54 <DrFunk> is that the page you went to ?
Nov 27 02:01:04 <en0x-wIRC> now I need sky app for pre and I will be in haven
Nov 27 02:01:06 <a2ny-wirc> yup
Nov 27 02:01:14 <en0x-wIRC> heaven*
Nov 27 02:01:54 <DrFunk> you mean skype ?
Nov 27 02:02:06 <en0x-wIRC> yap
Nov 27 02:02:51 <a2ny|wirc> there we go :)
Nov 27 02:03:07 <DrFunk> a2ny-wirc: did you move around on the page ?
Nov 27 02:03:46 <a2ny|wirc> yeah I searched for smartreflex
Nov 27 02:04:11 <a2ny|wirc> and then looked at it. and thought I needed to add my info
Nov 27 02:04:27 <DrFunk> weired
Nov 27 02:04:38 <Jack87> costco.com never renders right for me
Nov 27 02:04:41 <en0x-wIRC> hmmm
Nov 27 02:05:04 <Jack87> anyone else experince that on the pre...
Nov 27 02:05:06 <a2ny|wirc> silly webkit browser
Nov 27 02:05:31 <en0x-wIRC> hehehe
Nov 27 02:05:37 <en0x-wIRC> ok I'm done
Nov 27 02:05:52 <Jack87> done leaving
Nov 27 02:06:11 <en0x-wIRC> done in the crapper :p
Nov 27 02:06:20 <Jack87> haha irc on the crapper
Nov 27 02:06:26 <Jack87> silly peeps
Nov 27 02:06:33 <en0x-wIRC> hahahaha
Nov 27 02:06:42 <a2ny|wirc> Jack87:  you read the wirc title?
Nov 27 02:06:45 <Jack87> i think the topic on wirc channel was a joke no for real
Nov 27 02:06:53 <en0x-wIRC> nope
Nov 27 02:07:02 <en0x-wIRC> it even says in the app
Nov 27 02:07:03 <DrFunk> en0x-wIRC: you have time piece
Nov 27 02:07:18 <en0x-wIRC> "now you can irc from the crapper"
Nov 27 02:07:19 <en0x-wIRC> hehehhe
Nov 27 02:07:58 <Jack87> hahaha
Nov 27 02:08:03 <rwhitby> JayCanuck: so I gotta ask: Loaded Preware yet ? ;-)
Nov 27 02:08:15 <JayCanuck> still charging
Nov 27 02:08:17 <DrFunk> where r the log files for when something like that happenes
Nov 27 02:08:23 <JayCanuck> longest wait ever :p
Nov 27 02:08:26 <sslow> anybody know if drew-pre's backup utility backs up patches?
Nov 27 02:08:34 <rwhitby> sslow: it does not
Nov 27 02:08:35 <Jack87> poor jason
Nov 27 02:08:58 <en0x-wIRC> JayCanuck: are you gonna activate is or is it activated already?
Nov 27 02:09:08 <JayCanuck> I'm gonna meta-doctor it
Nov 27 02:09:17 <en0x-wIRC> I c
Nov 27 02:09:22 <a2ny|wirc> I love meta-doc
Nov 27 02:09:32 <Jack87> he needs to skip actication
Nov 27 02:09:38 <en0x-wIRC> I did it once
Nov 27 02:09:55 <Jack87> other then 2 gig partition and skipping activation what else does meta doctor do
Nov 27 02:09:55 <en0x-wIRC> well I thought that he may activate it on bell
Nov 27 02:10:07 <a2ny|wirc> enable dev
Nov 27 02:10:15 <DrFunk> en0x-wIRC: so do you have time piece
Nov 27 02:10:25 <en0x-wIRC> DrFunk: I deleted it
Nov 27 02:10:29 <sslow> <JayCanuck>: did you get it?
Nov 27 02:10:42 <Jack87> he doesnt have bell there
Nov 27 02:10:47 <Jack87> or he would of bought his own pre
Nov 27 02:10:55 <Jack87> he got it like an hour ago sslow
Nov 27 02:10:58 <DrFunk> en0x-wIRC: I think that was the problem that app hangs up the os
Nov 27 02:11:00 <en0x-wIRC> I c
Nov 27 02:11:01 <Jack87> and he credited you
Nov 27 02:11:17 <en0x-wIRC> he credited me?
Nov 27 02:11:21 <Jack87> not you
Nov 27 02:11:23 <en0x-wIRC> for what? :)
Nov 27 02:11:26 <Jack87> sslow,
Nov 27 02:11:27 <en0x-wIRC> :p
Nov 27 02:11:31 <sslow> jack87; i was beginning to worry i sent it on the 12th
Nov 27 02:11:51 <Jack87> of all days on thanks giving only in canada
Nov 27 02:11:56 <a2ny|wirc> sslow: what a nice guy
Nov 27 02:12:08 <sslow> not really lol
Nov 27 02:12:31 <en0x-wIRC> lol
Nov 27 02:12:37 <Jack87> ironic huh sslow
Nov 27 02:12:43 <DrFunk> en0x-wIRC: so you did delete the app why the app hangs up the is right ?
Nov 27 02:13:12 <sslow> jack87: lol
Nov 27 02:13:36 <Jack87> he is wating for charge before he can doctor it
Nov 27 02:13:40 <en0x-wIRC> DrFunk: I never used it
Nov 27 02:13:49 <sslow> rwhitby: so it backs up the originals?
Nov 27 02:13:53 <en0x-wIRC> just installed it and took a look
Nov 27 02:14:26 <DrFunk> en0x-wIRC: what is the command line to see what the app is doing ?
Nov 27 02:15:24 <Jack87> mellon is the elvish word for friend just so you all know incase you need to enter a giand door
Nov 27 02:15:43 <en0x-wIRC> DrFunk: I don't know what you mean
Nov 27 02:16:31 <JayCanuck> sslow: yep :)
Nov 27 02:17:23 <sslow> JayCanuk: awesome,I was beginning to worry
Nov 27 02:17:24 <Jack87> JayCanuck, laggs on irc lol
Nov 27 02:17:41 <JayCanuck> lol, was away from comp
Nov 27 02:17:42 <Jack87> xchat works well!!
Nov 27 02:17:57 <sslow> jack87: hes busy helping us so its ok
Nov 27 02:21:11 <JayCanuck> bbl
Nov 27 02:22:23 <Jack87> how come there is always over 100 users here but i only ever see 20 talk
Nov 27 02:22:44 <sslow> jack87: LURKERS
Nov 27 02:22:49 <Templarian> Jack87: Because only a few of us have things to talk about.
Nov 27 02:23:24 <Jack87> intresting. so people get joy out of watching others  chat?
Nov 27 02:23:50 <DrFunk> or learn
Nov 27 02:23:57 <DrFunk> we hope
Nov 27 02:23:59 <sslow> jack87: thats how I learned what I have so far
Nov 27 02:24:10 <Templarian> Yea, as long as there are interesting subjects going on, plus by skimming they can figure out the progress of some beta applications/services.
Nov 27 02:24:13 <Jack87> intresting...
Nov 27 02:24:20 <WillJitsu> what's the "time_in_state_" command?
Nov 27 02:24:38 <hckyplayer024> btw, has anyone successfully tethered with freetether?
Nov 27 02:24:55 <hckyplayer024> I keep getting an error that sprint hasnt authorized sharing internet connection
Nov 27 02:25:02 <Jack87> PuffTheMagic_, has
Nov 27 02:25:12 <Templarian> (unless things have changed only usb is working)
Nov 27 02:25:13 <Jack87> ignore it
Nov 27 02:25:29 <Jack87> hckyplayer024, if he made it right you should be able to ignore it and tether on
Nov 27 02:25:35 <Jack87> ayleast that is how mytether works
Nov 27 02:25:48 <Jack87> if usb works bt should
Nov 27 02:26:02 <hckyplayer024> I never got that error with mytether
Nov 27 02:26:13 <hckyplayer024> and I cant get bluetooth tethering working
Nov 27 02:26:40 <Jack87> are you br on free thether or usb
Nov 27 02:26:49 <Jack87> and are you doing b or usb on mytether
Nov 27 02:27:01 * Templarian thinks this WoW app has far too much data in it, meh
Nov 27 02:27:18 <Jack87> you will only get the error on mytether if you are doing bluetooth tethering and you happen to pair computer before you turn on tethering
Nov 27 02:27:20 <sslow> wow?
Nov 27 02:27:49 <Jack87> as for free thether i would assume if usb tethering is working then bluetooth should which is what it sounds like you are trying to do?
Nov 27 02:28:03 <hckyplayer024> I've only done bluetooth and wifi
Nov 27 02:28:05 <DrFunk> sslow: yea it sucks
Nov 27 02:28:06 <hckyplayer024> never tried USB
Nov 27 02:28:24 <Templarian> sslow: (world of warcraft)
Nov 27 02:28:31 <sslow> OIC
Nov 27 02:28:33 <hckyplayer024> So I have to turn on tethering before pairing my computer
Nov 27 02:29:05 <DrFunk> sorry Templarian should have said what it was
Nov 27 02:29:22 <Jack87> ya give that a shot
Nov 27 02:29:33 <hckyplayer024> to turn it on with freetether I have to enable IP forwarding and NAT and then go to the bluetooth screen?
Nov 27 02:29:34 <DrFunk> but to me it stinks
Nov 27 02:29:36 <hckyplayer024> is that all?
Nov 27 02:30:52 <Jack87> i have no idea hckyplayer024
Nov 27 02:30:55 <Templarian> DrFunk: Are you talking about WoW, I don't even play the game. It's an amazing game though, far ahead of most in it's genre.
Nov 27 02:31:00 <Jack87> i have never used freetether
Nov 27 02:31:20 <hckyplayer024> k ill try it quickly and report back
Nov 27 02:31:28 <DrFunk> the game is awsome app stinks
Nov 27 02:31:30 <Jack87> hckyplayer024, but i dont think he has done any work on the bluetooth screen why dont you go to usb screen and turn tethering on there? but make sure you turn on ipforward
Nov 27 02:31:34 <Jack87> oh so much for that he left
Nov 27 02:32:02 <Templarian> DrFunk: How so?
Nov 27 02:32:35 <DrFunk> too much info
Nov 27 02:32:48 <DrFunk> but I guess if ur into its ok
Nov 27 02:33:38 <Templarian> DrFunk: that's the complete opposite response I've gotten. People wanted all the information for the chacter in one screen. Trust me theres a lot more information that has to be shown on clicking each region that hasn't been coded in.
Nov 27 02:34:44 <DrFunk> so guess that is something ur working on?
Nov 27 02:35:12 <Templarian> Yea, clicking each region will expand it full screen showing the other data.
Nov 27 02:35:54 <Templarian> For instance the stats section is very vague atm and does not show each spell type and their various effects.
Nov 27 02:35:59 <DrFunk> I have not checked it out but my buddy said it had a lot of info
Nov 27 02:36:01 <hckyplayer024> yup it worked jack87
Nov 27 02:36:48 <Templarian> DrFunk: My friends addicted to WoW and he loves it, and from other messages they love the concentrated setup.
Nov 27 02:37:19 <Templarian> Personally from a UI perspective the small font isn't ideal, but it's the best way to display the important data in one screen without a lot of clicking.
Nov 27 02:37:20 <DrFunk> so you have to have the game for it to work
Nov 27 02:37:21 <Abyssul_wIRC> I used to be a wow addict. stuff was like crack
Nov 27 02:37:52 <DrFunk> lol like crack
Nov 27 02:37:54 <Templarian> Abyssul_wIRC: 3 years personally. I can happily say clean for a little under a year.
Nov 27 02:38:08 <Abyssul_wIRC> same here lol
Nov 27 02:38:15 <Templarian> DrFunk: no, but later on certain parts of the app will not work without being logged in.
Nov 27 02:38:28 <Abyssul_wIRC> you think we are kidding DrFunk lol. it really is
Nov 27 02:38:34 <WillJitsu> Templarian: will you be adding the race/class on the main screen?
Nov 27 02:38:35 <Templarian> Right now everything is just pulled from the open feed.
Nov 27 02:38:46 <Templarian> WillJitsu: main screen?
Nov 27 02:38:53 <Templarian> oh character screen?
Nov 27 02:38:54 <WillJitsu> Templarian: I meant character screen
Nov 27 02:38:55 <WillJitsu> yeah
Nov 27 02:38:57 <DrFunk> hmm crack
Nov 27 02:39:21 <DrFunk> that is too crazy
Nov 27 02:39:23 <Templarian> I completely forgot I had it on the search. I'll put the icons in shortly.
Nov 27 02:39:26 <WillJitsu> Templarian: I was just comparing the character screen to the armory app on the iPhone the other day and noticed your app didn't have that info
Nov 27 02:39:35 <Abyssul_wIRC> we need a way to search text messages...
Nov 27 02:40:25 <Templarian> WillJitsu: I never even saw the iPhone version, just figure it's pretty featured packed so it will take a bit to get everything in.
Nov 27 02:40:42 <DrFunk> Abyssul_wIRC: why you don't like to scroll ?
Nov 27 02:41:14 <Jack87> yay! good jog hckyplayer024
Nov 27 02:41:36 <Abyssul_wIRC> I like to search for keywords. plus sometimes I don't know when I typed a text.
Nov 27 02:41:43 <Templarian> WillJitsu: I'm also confused I don't have a cease and disist in my mailbox.
Nov 27 02:41:53 <Templarian> (most people that make these applications get one)
Nov 27 02:42:09 <WillJitsu> Templarian: check out http://www.wowarmory.com/iphone.xml if you get some time. there's a short vid that gives an overview with some screen shots
Nov 27 02:42:14 <Templarian> (I'm thinking it's because they might of tried to charge for it)
Nov 27 02:42:52 <Templarian> WillJitsu: yea I saw that, I've gotten a few emails to add the Talent tree stuff. Hopefully after I add the item search stuff.
Nov 27 02:43:04 <Jack87> proud to say never clicked  a game of WOW
Nov 27 02:43:19 <sslow> jack87:x2
Nov 27 02:43:32 <Jack87> counterstirke and other good games is a differnt story..
Nov 27 02:43:36 <Jack87> as for wow psh
Nov 27 02:43:48 <WillJitsu> Templarian: gotcha. well take your time man. definitely quite an undertaking for that app. it looks really nice though so far :)
Nov 27 02:43:50 <Templarian> You say that till you play it. F'ing crack.
Nov 27 02:43:50 <sslow> jack87: nfs
Nov 27 02:44:07 <Jack87> sslow, i could never get adddicted to any racing games
Nov 27 02:44:11 <DrFunk> Abyssul_wIRC: good enough answer :)
Nov 27 02:44:49 <Jack87> sslow, i guess i got addicted to wipeout pure... i would of never bought it but it was the only way to browse the web for a little while on the psp when tehy first came out
Nov 27 02:44:50 <Templarian> DrFunk: yea so before you think of judging you application you have to view it through the eyes of a WoW player, they expect to see different stuff.
Nov 27 02:44:55 <Abyssul_wIRC> plus, our Pre doesn't scroll smooth enough to go back like 3 months. it takes like a hour
Nov 27 02:44:59 <sslow> jack87: Im a car guy...alot of drag racing.   i have a serious need for speed
Nov 27 02:45:08 <Templarian> s/you application/an application/
Nov 27 02:45:09 <infobot> Templarian meant: DrFunk: yea so before you think of judging an application you have to view it through the eyes of a WoW player, they expect to see different stuff.
Nov 27 02:45:22 <Jack87> sslow, if you like speed get a bike :) im addicted to my bike
Nov 27 02:45:48 <Jack87> 20000 miles i bought it brand new 08 of feb with 0 miles haha
Nov 27 02:46:04 <Jack87> and worst part about it is... i am in Utah
Nov 27 02:46:14 <DrFunk> Templarian: so you still play ?
Nov 27 02:46:20 <sslow> jack87: i have 4 kids and I live in ATL so no street bikes for me....now dirt bikes thats a different story
Nov 27 02:46:33 <Templarian> DrFunk: Nope, but my friend makes to annoy me when he doesn't like something.
Nov 27 02:46:46 * Templarian f'ing dyslexia.
Nov 27 02:46:52 <Jack87> sslow, haha i guess my story is differnet... 22 single no kids :)
Nov 27 02:47:03 <Templarian> "Nope, but my friend makes sure to annoy me when he doesn't like something."
Nov 27 02:47:15 <sslow> jack87: just a little
Nov 27 02:47:37 <sslow> jack87: what part of utah
Nov 27 02:47:41 <DrFunk> Templarian: did you double post
Nov 27 02:47:44 <Jack87> sslow, salt lake
Nov 27 02:47:53 <sslow> ?
Nov 27 02:47:57 * Templarian thinks when he actually gets some donation money he will have to resub to expand it into the calander stuff.
Nov 27 02:48:06 <DrFunk> Jack87: goto the flats
Nov 27 02:48:22 <sslow> jack87: plenty of room to go fast there i'll bet
Nov 27 02:48:45 <Jack87> sslow, not in salt lake.... as for the flats for sure
Nov 27 02:49:04 <Templarian> DrFunk: No, I tend to accidently type stuff way different than what I want it to read.
Nov 27 02:49:39 <Templarian> I want it to snow. Go out and snowmobile the minute we get a solid foot.
Nov 27 02:49:55 <Abyssul_wIRC> I bet the Precorder app is bringing in a lot of donation money
Nov 27 02:50:06 <Jack87> Templarian, if the damn resorts start opening runs... i cant wait to go snowboarding!
Nov 27 02:50:10 <DrFunk> Templarian: I wish we were could have a barcode scanner
Nov 27 02:50:16 <Jack87> i went a week ago and it was all ice :(
Nov 27 02:50:46 <DrFunk> but zsoc told me not possible
Nov 27 02:50:55 <sslow> jack87: thats why I live in the ATL... I dont do cold
Nov 27 02:51:08 <Abyssul_wIRC> SC here, no snow
Nov 27 02:51:12 <DrFunk> something about the macros
Nov 27 02:51:12 <Templarian> My dad has a snowmobile that has no real speed limit. I'm pretty sure I would die if I ever reached the 120 he got it up to on flat ice.
Nov 27 02:51:41 <PuffTheMagic_> Templarian: thats why i no longer want a crotch rocket
Nov 27 02:51:47 <Jack87> sslow, not too bad in the mountains.. actaully not cold at all but as for the city it sucks
Nov 27 02:52:01 <PuffTheMagic_> i've killed my self 10000 times too many in midnight club
Nov 27 02:52:16 <rwhitby> Abyssul_wIRC: how much do you think Precorder has made so far.  I'll tell you if you're in the right order of magnitude.
Nov 27 02:52:28 <Jack87> PuffTheMagic_, get a cruiser then
Nov 27 02:52:34 <PuffTheMagic_> i might some day
Nov 27 02:52:41 <Abyssul_wIRC> 100
Nov 27 02:52:48 <Abyssul_wIRC> us dollars
Nov 27 02:52:55 <sslow> +PuffTheMagic: only 10,000?
Nov 27 02:52:57 <Jack87> i can not ever imagine not being without a motorcylce ever again
Nov 27 02:53:06 <Templarian> PuffTheMagic_: I had the breaks break once on an old snowmobile you know those power guidelines that hold up the poles took a ski strait off.
Nov 27 02:53:56 <DrFunk> dam
Nov 27 02:54:02 <Templarian> I was only going like 30 though but yea the trail takes a sharp right luckily i glided right through the trees and there were no rocks.
Nov 27 02:54:04 <DrFunk> that had to suck
Nov 27 02:54:12 <sslow> snow=bad
Nov 27 02:54:28 <ird> rwhitby: how much has precorder made?
Nov 27 02:54:33 <sslow> we can drag race year round here
Nov 27 02:54:44 <Abyssul_wIRC> is the lack of auto focus a hardware or software for the pre's camera?
Nov 27 02:54:54 <ird> Abyssul_wIRC: hardware
Nov 27 02:55:05 <rwhitby> ird: I shouldn't give that info publicly without the author's consent.
Nov 27 02:55:07 <Abyssul_wIRC> well that sucks
Nov 27 02:55:27 <Abyssul_wIRC> wheres zsoc... damn asleep...
Nov 27 02:55:27 <ird> rwhitby: Is it a fair amount then?
Nov 27 02:56:09 <rwhitby> ird: it's more than 10 and less than 200
Nov 27 02:56:20 <ird> USD?
Nov 27 02:56:34 <Abyssul_wIRC> assumed
Nov 27 02:56:46 <ird> That's a decent amount, I guess.
Nov 27 02:56:52 <ird> Good for zsoc|away
Nov 27 02:57:13 * Templarian thinks people overestimate how much most things get donation wise. It usually takes a few large projects to get a lot.
Nov 27 02:57:38 <Abyssul_wIRC> plus you have the people who say they willdonate but never do
Nov 27 02:57:57 <ird> There's a thread in WebOS Development at pre central where someone is offering $100 for mass texting.
Nov 27 02:58:07 <ird> I was going to do it until I figured out you can't :(
Nov 27 02:58:08 <rwhitby> yeah, considering the time spent on Precorder would easily amount to USD$10K if you were paying the various people involved normal software consulting rates.
Nov 27 02:58:14 <sslow> for an alpha that is about what I would have expected.....some people just dont get what it takes to get this done
Nov 27 02:58:20 <Templarian> Abyssul_wIRC: I've found those people never donate (or rarely do).
Nov 27 02:59:01 <sslow> I do most of the time when I can
Nov 27 02:59:39 * Templarian doesn't sell his applications, or this WoW app would be insane once it hit the app store.
Nov 27 02:59:50 <Templarian> app catalog*
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