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Nov 27 03:00:36 <sslow> poll how much have you donated?
Nov 27 03:00:48 <sslow> you=everybody
Nov 27 03:01:10 <Templarian> sslow: that's not a good question to ask and I feel most wouldn't say.
Nov 27 03:01:49 <sslow> maybe youre right
Nov 27 03:01:59 <Jack87> its so hard to make this whole donation thing fair considering half the time multiple people are involved in polishing up and app making it practicale
Nov 27 03:02:37 <bpadalino> i think i donated $15 to get rwhitby a pre .. though it may have been $10 or $20 .. i am not sure :(
Nov 27 03:03:06 <sslow> well you cant donate to everybody so just pick the apps you like most and give what you can
Nov 27 03:03:15 <rwhitby> I donated $30 to get Jason a touchstone
Nov 27 03:04:03 <sslow> Ive personally donated about 150.00 cash to various devs and a Pre to Jason
Nov 27 03:04:04 <bpadalino> oh very nice .. did he get enough for his touchstone ?
Nov 27 03:04:05 * Jack87 doesnt like google wave it is way too laggy when you have a big wave
Nov 27 03:04:11 <rwhitby> Jack87: that's one reason why webos-interanals donations go into project hardware or costs, not to payments to authors.
Nov 27 03:04:37 <rwhitby> bpadalino: yep, freakout donated the rest, and we made him put a "Donated by Australia" sticker on it.
Nov 27 03:04:43 <Jack87> rwhitby, thats a much better way of handeling it
Nov 27 03:04:48 <bpadalino> haha, excellent
Nov 27 03:05:29 <Jack87> rwhitby, touchstone for what
Nov 27 03:05:44 <rwhitby> Jack87: touchstone for his new Pre
Nov 27 03:06:00 <Jack87> rwhitby, just for fun or development related touchstone?
Nov 27 03:06:03 <rwhitby> I'd say it's sitting on it right now
Nov 27 03:06:26 * Templarian might of pitched in a few toward that rwhitby pre fund.
Nov 27 03:06:26 <sslow> rwhitby: id take that bet
Nov 27 03:07:13 <rwhitby> Templarian: without donations for that Pre, meta-doctor probably wouldn't exist today.
Nov 27 03:07:25 * Jack87 has denied all donatoin offers till he actaully does something worth a damn
Nov 27 03:07:51 <Templarian> Yea, went to a good place.
Nov 27 03:08:01 <sslow> jack87: same here
Nov 27 03:08:18 <sslow> probably never
Nov 27 03:08:19 <Jack87> :)
Nov 27 03:08:23 <Jack87> sslow, me to
Nov 27 03:08:39 <sslow> there a alot smarter guys on here than I am
Nov 27 03:12:18 <Jack87> lets make a webos wave!
Nov 27 03:12:41 <sslow> jack87: lets not! lol
Nov 27 03:13:04 <sslow> jack87: might be useful
Nov 27 03:13:34 <sslow> ill bet we could make it crashin an hour!
Nov 27 03:13:50 <sslow> crashin=crash in
Nov 27 03:15:04 <mobgod> what wave or the phone?
Nov 27 03:15:06 <mobgod> lol
Nov 27 03:15:26 <sslow> mobgod: both
Nov 27 03:16:05 <rwhitby> Jack87: there is already a Palm Pre wave
Nov 27 03:16:23 <sslow> Wirc/?
Nov 27 03:16:47 <rwhitby> https://wave.google.com/wave/#restored:wave:googlewave.com!w%252BdHjDZZhKB
Nov 27 03:20:42 <Jack87> thanks rwhitby how do i join a wave lol
Nov 27 03:20:50 <Jack87> sslow, i bet you are right it would crash!
Nov 27 03:20:53 <rwhitby> Jack87: dunno.  I'm a wave newbie.
Nov 27 03:21:44 <Jack87> i think i am in... from the link
Nov 27 03:22:01 <Jack87> it was made in your country rwhitby
Nov 27 03:22:18 <rwhitby> Jack87: as most good things are ;-)
Nov 27 03:22:29 <rwhitby> google maps was done here too
Nov 27 03:22:34 <Jack87> like the steak pie thing i had! yum!
Nov 27 03:22:59 * rwhitby bbl - gone to buy a pie for lunch
Nov 27 03:25:03 <Jack87> haha sorry rwhitby
Nov 27 03:27:19 <Jack87> think wave can replace forums? atleast for support?
Nov 27 03:28:17 <sslow> jack87: i doubt it but it couldnt hurt
Nov 27 03:28:36 <Jack87> with pictures and stuff it be kind of fun
Nov 27 03:29:30 <sslow> I just wonder if it could handle 25 or 30 people like irc w/o crashing
Nov 27 03:32:18 <Jack87> im in a wave of 65 right now
Nov 27 03:32:25 <Jack87> but i think mobgod and me are the only ones
Nov 27 03:32:58 <Jack87> its still new maybe in time it will grow and become more stable?
Nov 27 03:37:02 <Jack87> one can really get lost in a wave
Nov 27 03:42:55 <Jack87> god i cant watch this move
Nov 27 03:43:00 <Jack87> hckyplayer024, glad you got it going!
Nov 27 03:43:14 <Jack87> movie*
Nov 27 03:43:24 <hckyplayer024> thanks! it works well
Nov 27 03:44:03 <Jack87> i wonder why he has natforwarding and everythign sepreat in a tethering app i dont understand
Nov 27 03:44:21 <Jack87> you cant tether without it enabled so why not do it all in one shoop?
Nov 27 03:51:45 <hckyplayer024> yeah idk why he did it like that
Nov 27 03:51:55 <hckyplayer024> but whatever it works
Nov 27 03:51:55 <hckyplayer024> ahah
Nov 27 03:51:59 <Jack87> maybe it will change
Nov 27 03:52:29 <DrFunk> sup Jack87
Nov 27 03:52:42 <Jack87> hi DrFunk
Nov 27 03:53:20 <DrFunk> wow gmen stink
Nov 27 03:55:41 <DrFunk> denver is nasty
Nov 27 03:56:11 <hckyplayer024> why is it only on NFL network
Nov 27 03:56:12 <hckyplayer024> sucks
Nov 27 03:56:25 <DrFunk> na
Nov 27 03:56:35 <DrFunk> where do you live hckyplayer024
Nov 27 03:56:41 <hckyplayer024> california
Nov 27 03:56:52 <DrFunk> awwww
Nov 27 03:57:03 <DrFunk> watch it on ur phone
Nov 27 03:57:16 <DrFunk> 23-6
Nov 27 03:57:21 <hckyplayer024> lol
Nov 27 03:57:22 <DrFunk> denver
Nov 27 03:57:27 <hckyplayer024> its grainy on the pre
Nov 27 03:57:40 <hckyplayer024> I can stream it online too
Nov 27 03:57:52 <DrFunk> I'm near NY so they can't black it out
Nov 27 03:57:52 <hckyplayer024> but its way nicer to sit in my living room
Nov 27 03:58:16 <hckyplayer024> yeah if it was chargers or raiders it would be on local tv
Nov 27 03:58:31 <DrFunk> true
Nov 27 03:59:04 <DrFunk> its not that bad on the pre
Nov 27 03:59:30 <hckyplayer024> yeah especially when on WIFI
Nov 27 04:00:04 <DrFunk> wow denver is about to score again
Nov 27 04:03:07 <DrFunk> anyway I'm off have a good one all cya hckyplayer024
Nov 27 04:03:18 <hckyplayer024> see ya drfunk
Nov 27 04:03:31 <Jack87> see ya... have great evening
Nov 27 04:06:05 <Abyssul> Ahh home sweet home
Nov 27 04:07:55 <Templarian> Abyssul: thanksgiving stuff (forget if you are state-side)?
Nov 27 04:15:51 <Abyssul> I had to work. Just got home
Nov 27 04:45:11 <direeolf790> Happy turkey day all
Nov 27 04:48:04 <direeolf790> Quick ? On precorder anything over ~30 sec nets me a 0 k file... Even after leaving the card as the running app for a min + in case the transcoding has to catchup.... Any thoughts
Nov 27 04:52:59 <Abyssul> The max record time is 2mins
Nov 27 04:54:46 <direeolf790> Ok well I am staying under that
Nov 27 04:56:19 <direeolf790> Well I think I am anyway... A counter would be useful as a future addition
Nov 27 04:57:08 <direeolf790> I'll keep testing though...
Nov 27 05:04:55 <AZero_> any1 else install the mhz speed boost?
Nov 27 05:04:59 <AZero_> where is the rate adjuster?
Nov 27 05:09:33 <Abyssul> Rate adjuster?
Nov 27 05:09:48 <dnnyboy> can someone help me gain root access to my Pre?
Nov 27 05:10:09 <AZero_> it says the rate is between 250 and 500
Nov 27 05:10:20 <AZero_> was wondering if you could turn it back down to 250
Nov 27 05:10:41 <AZero_> or 300 or what not
Nov 27 05:10:56 <AZero_> if it is just a patch with no app that's cool too. just wasn't sure
Nov 27 05:11:36 <hckyplayer024> you have to edit the file to change the rate
Nov 27 05:11:38 <hckyplayer024> its not an app
Nov 27 05:11:46 <ird> dnnyboy: what os are you using?
Nov 27 05:11:55 <dnnyboy> web os
Nov 27 05:11:59 <ird> >.<
Nov 27 05:12:07 <dnnyboy> sorry, WinXP
Nov 27 05:12:31 <rwhitby> dnnyboy: install Terminal using Preware.  http://install.preware.org
Nov 27 05:12:42 <ird> yeah, do that.
Nov 27 05:12:43 <ird> :p
Nov 27 05:13:37 <dnnyboy> when i go through the process, i am not getting the "root@castle"... getting "root@"somethingelse...
Nov 27 05:13:51 <ird> I like the terminal app, I just can't read the text.
Nov 27 05:13:58 <dnnyboy> can i apply a patch directly through PreWare?
Nov 27 05:14:04 <ird> yes
Nov 27 05:14:11 <ird> if it's in the feeds anyways
Nov 27 05:14:56 <dnnyboy> thanks, i'll try it...
Nov 27 05:16:40 <ird> rwhitby: Is there any way to change the text size in the terminal app? Besides the preferences already there.
Nov 27 05:16:55 <rwhitby> ird: not that I know of
Nov 27 05:17:29 <ird> Guess I'll stick to novaterm.
Nov 27 05:17:56 <LoneStar35> this irc channel is if you want to mess with the kernel that runs webos?
Nov 27 05:27:52 <rwhitby> LoneStar34: anything under the official API that palm documents and supports.
Nov 27 05:27:59 <rwhitby> and nothing above it.
Nov 27 05:28:39 <dnnyboy> thanks all for the help... that was SOOOOOOOO much easier then the BS i've been struggling with for the past 4 hours!
Nov 27 05:29:04 <rwhitby> dnnyboy: that's why it's got it's own domain name URL now :-)
Nov 27 05:30:34 <Abyssul> rwhitby: whatca working on?
Nov 27 05:31:01 <rwhitby> Abyssul: real life work at the moment
Nov 27 05:31:58 <LoneStar34> rwhitby:  so this channel would mostly be used for what?  been using the webos channel alot
Nov 27 05:33:34 <rwhitby> LoneStar34: look at webos-internals.org and http://tinyurl.com/rickatsprint and http://pre101.com/blog/2009/11/23/interview-with-webos-internals-rod-whitby/ and you'll get a good overview.
Nov 27 05:34:33 <Abyssul> The boot time for the Pre is decreasing with each update.
Nov 27 05:39:39 <Abyssul> Note to self: Dont use .mp3 handler for Precorder app
Nov 27 05:50:17 <Eguy> Abyssul: placebo :P
Nov 27 05:50:46 <Abyssul> It used to boot up in 2:30 now its at 1:40
Nov 27 05:50:54 <AgentSmith> you're actually clocking it? fascinating
Nov 27 05:51:08 <Abyssul> Just memory
Nov 27 05:51:09 <AgentSmith> if it can get down to 30 seconds it'll be as fast as other PDAs finally
Nov 27 05:51:16 <Eguy> lol
Nov 27 05:51:23 <Abyssul> Whats a PDA?
Nov 27 05:51:59 <AgentSmith> iphone, droid, even windows mobile 6.1
Nov 27 05:52:11 <AgentSmith> the old treo 750 started faster on a slower processor
Nov 27 05:52:41 <Eguy> ahahah treo 750
Nov 27 05:53:13 <Abyssul> Hmm.... my videos arnt showing up in the player
Nov 27 05:54:18 <LoneStar34> is there any pda or mobile device running unix and not linux?
Nov 27 05:54:45 <Eguy> iphone
Nov 27 05:54:56 <LoneStar34> oh yeah,  freebsd....
Nov 27 06:10:40 <PuffTheMagic_> i wouldnt call freebsd any more unix than linux is
Nov 27 06:17:59 <LoneStar34> PuffTheMagic_: you are right it is a BSD
Nov 27 06:27:00 <xxbones21xx> chello peeps
Nov 27 06:33:39 <xxbones21xx> so im trying to get connected with the webos internal feeds so that I can read up on patches...?
Nov 27 06:35:27 <Rick_work> ok
Nov 27 06:35:29 <rwhitby> xxbones21xx: ipkg.preware.org
Nov 27 06:35:53 <rwhitby> if you just want to install them: http://install.preware.org
Nov 27 06:37:25 <xxbones21xx> I have already downloaded preware and have messed with a lot of stuff but I ran into a problem with a recent patch
Nov 27 06:37:42 <xxbones21xx> the scrim background for white texted messaging
Nov 27 06:37:47 <rwhitby> xxbones21xx: how much linux experience do you have?
Nov 27 06:38:10 <xxbones21xx> I installed it and it worked fine then i accidentaly installed the other one that is for black text
Nov 27 06:38:25 <xxbones21xx> and now it wont display the image at all
Nov 27 06:39:14 <xxbones21xx> I have the image placed in the media/internals/wallpapers named messaging-scrim.png and it does not show
Nov 27 06:39:29 <xxbones21xx> a2ny-wirc
Nov 27 06:39:40 <a2ny-wirc> Hi
Nov 27 06:39:40 <xxbones21xx> I was talking to akop
Nov 27 06:40:10 <xxbones21xx> and he said that you have tested the scaling 500 patch, i was wondering if you would give me your opinion on it
Nov 27 06:42:17 <a2ny-wirc> Ok scaling, it uses on demand. Which is called dynamic voltage frequency scaling
Nov 27 06:42:39 <xxbones21xx> ok
Nov 27 06:42:53 <a2ny-wirc> xxbones21xx:  you didn't get hit in that split?
Nov 27 06:43:06 <a2ny-wirc> Ok
Nov 27 06:43:19 <xxbones21xx> I was told that the pre runs at 500 to begin with so what would the point be of installing it
Nov 27 06:44:07 <a2ny-wirc> It would run at a lower freq when not in use.
Nov 27 06:44:21 <a2ny-wirc> In turn. Lower voltage.
Nov 27 06:44:43 <xxbones21xx> so it shouldnt effect the over all life of the device but instead extend it cuz when not in use it wont run as hard
Nov 27 06:45:29 <a2ny-wirc> I suggest staying away from all the smartreflex patches
Nov 27 06:45:53 <xxbones21xx> have you experimented with the new background image patch for messaging???
Nov 27 06:46:15 <xxbones21xx> just the smartreflex or the both?
Nov 27 06:46:25 <a2ny-wirc> Yes the pre also rund at 550 on start up.
Nov 27 06:47:31 <a2ny-wirc> I need to collect more data for ondemand
Nov 27 06:48:07 <xxbones21xx> ok. have you tested the messaging background patch yet?
Nov 27 06:48:38 <a2ny-wirc> Nah what's that about?
Nov 27 06:49:46 <xxbones21xx> it adds the ability to change the background of the messaging app using a PNG from the wallpapers directory
Nov 27 06:50:17 <xxbones21xx> but for some reason i have screwed things up by installing two of the same patches and now neither will work
Nov 27 06:53:21 <a2ny-wirc> Remove both of them?
Nov 27 06:53:31 <PuffTheMagic_> why is there so much voltage scaling talk the past few days
Nov 27 06:54:06 <a2ny-wirc> Precentral article made me angry lol
Nov 27 07:05:07 <ird> I lit a thin green candle.
Nov 27 07:08:58 <ird> Damn.
Nov 27 07:09:10 <ird> Nobody likes Leonard Cohen?
Nov 27 07:10:20 <a2ny-wirc> Bbl
Nov 27 07:15:12 <xxbones21xx> a2ny-wirc you there
Nov 27 11:56:16 <OnlyByGrace> Anybody have good resources on organizing javascript source code? When writing a large application I want to split the classes into different files C-style.
Nov 27 12:02:39 <Metty> hi there
Nov 27 12:02:50 <Metty> maybe someone can help me out with a problem?
Nov 27 12:03:31 <Metty> seems that my pre doesn't proper store patches etc
Nov 27 12:03:56 <Metty> when i try to restart luna it seems to make a full restart and patches are gone again
Nov 27 12:07:50 <ConfusedVorlon> onlybygrace - what info do you need? I'm doing that without problems
Nov 27 12:12:41 <OnlyByGrace> ConfusedVorlon: How?  I've got a bunch of classes for a game and I've got them all crammed into a single file under the models folder
Nov 27 12:20:41 <ConfusedVorlon> how are you defining your class? I use MainAssistant.prototype.setup = function(){ <content> }
Nov 27 12:20:53 <ConfusedVorlon> so each function is seperate and independant
Nov 27 12:21:07 <ConfusedVorlon> I just split them among files, then include all the files in the sources.json
Nov 27 12:21:55 <ConfusedVorlon> re seperate classes; that's even easier. Just put them in seperate files and include all the files
Nov 27 12:22:47 <ConfusedVorlon> am I missing something?
Nov 27 12:23:23 <OnlyByGrace> Oh
Nov 27 12:23:43 <OnlyByGrace> Are the source files loaded in the order they are placed in sources.json?
Nov 27 12:24:31 <OnlyByGrace> If I need to access a class from another, for instance
Nov 27 12:26:32 <ConfusedVorlon> I have never hit a problem with ordering, not sure how it works. My guess is that there is some top level parsing that happens at the beginning, so by the time any code is actually executed, all the classes are available. That is only a guess though.
Nov 27 12:29:39 <xxtripxx> hello
Nov 27 12:30:32 <OnlyByGrace> ah that's cool, thanks.
Nov 27 12:31:07 <xxtripxx> anyone having issues with the messaging scrim with white text patch
Nov 27 13:58:12 <OnlyByGrace> What alternatives are there to the canvas arc function besides drawing pixel by pixel? Since it doesn't work properly
Nov 27 14:31:52 <grndslm> soo... "optware bootstrap" is how i get ipkg-opt, right?
Nov 27 15:04:20 <JayCanuck> hi all
Nov 27 15:15:49 <sslow> JayCanuk: hi
Nov 27 15:26:43 <IanMG> Hi everyone...
Nov 27 15:28:10 <IanMG> So I've written a patch for the Launcher in webOS, am wondering if anyone can help me with uploading it for use in Preware?
Nov 27 15:31:13 <sslow> IanMg: http://www.dbsooner.com/webospatchupload.php
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Nov 27 15:33:18 <sslow> IanMg: what does it do
Nov 27 15:51:18 <IanMG> Sorry, got called away there. It resets the Launcher to the first page, rather than the last page you were on, when you bring it up.
Nov 27 15:52:09 <IanMG> Excellent, so I can just submit it via that page you just posted and maybe I should create a thread at PreCentral forums too.
Nov 27 16:28:42 <aagiizip_> hi all
Nov 27 16:28:55 <aagiizip_> I can not download meta doctor
Nov 27 16:29:12 <aagiizip_> can somebody help me?
Nov 27 16:29:18 <bpadalino> what's the problem ?
Nov 27 16:29:59 <aagiizip_> git clone git://git.webos-internals.org/tools/meta-doctor.git this command finished with error
Nov 27 16:30:56 <aagiizip_> Initialized empty Git repository in /home/altangerel/meta-doctor/.git/ git.webos-internals.org[0: 140.211.169.177]: errno=Connection refused fatal: unable to connect a socket (Connection refused)
Nov 27 16:31:11 <aagiizip_> this is the error
Nov 27 16:31:27 <bpadalino> hrm - mine runs just fine :(
Nov 27 16:31:28 <aagiizip_> can you help me with this?
Nov 27 16:31:53 <aagiizip_> or is it uses special port?
Nov 27 16:32:27 <bpadalino> git:// uses a special port, yes
Nov 27 16:32:55 <bpadalino> tcp port 9418
Nov 27 16:33:37 <aagiizip_> ok
Nov 27 16:33:39 <aagiizip_> thanks
Nov 27 16:33:54 <aagiizip_> I will ask from my ISP
Nov 27 16:34:01 <aagiizip_> to open this port
Nov 27 16:34:07 <bpadalino> you can tunnel through
Nov 27 16:34:08 <bpadalino> or ..
Nov 27 16:34:15 <bpadalino> you may be able to download a tar.gz from the website
Nov 27 16:34:16 <aagiizip_> and try again
Nov 27 16:34:16 <bpadalino> hold
Nov 27 16:34:26 <aagiizip_> how?
Nov 27 16:34:52 <bpadalino> http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=tools/meta-doctor.git;a=summary
Nov 27 16:34:52 <bpadalino> click on "snapshot" for the 1.3.1 master you see there
Nov 27 16:35:06 <aagiizip_> yes
Nov 27 16:35:17 <aagiizip_> I already donloded
Nov 27 16:35:22 <bpadalino> oh, that didn't work ?
Nov 27 16:35:26 <aagiizip_> but I do not know how to use it?
Nov 27 16:35:50 <aagiizip_> what to do to work it I do not know
Nov 27 16:36:12 <bpadalino> follow the rest of the directions as if you just did the git clone
Nov 27 16:37:47 <aagiizip_> I can not navigate that downloadad folder from the terminal
Nov 27 16:38:01 <bpadalino> right - you need to make the download directory
Nov 27 16:38:55 <bpadalino> step 8 is "mkdir downloads"
Nov 27 16:38:57 <aagiizip_> so it means need to make download directory in the terminal?
Nov 27 16:39:08 <bpadalino> so you're new to this whole terminal stuff, huh ?
Nov 27 16:39:14 <aagiizip_> and how to download from the terminal?
Nov 27 16:39:24 <aagiizip_> yes
Nov 27 16:39:30 <bpadalino> :\
Nov 27 16:39:31 <aagiizip_> started today
Nov 27 16:39:34 <bpadalino> i see
Nov 27 16:39:39 <aagiizip_> :(
Nov 27 16:40:12 <aagiizip_> can you help me by step by step instruction?
Nov 27 16:40:38 <bpadalino> the instructions on the website are sufficient ... just make sure you follow them to a t
Nov 27 16:40:44 <aagiizip_> I can make that directory etc well
Nov 27 16:41:17 <aagiizip_> but how to download that one from the terminal?
Nov 27 16:43:05 <grndslm> how do i get ipkg-opt??
Nov 27 16:43:40 <bpadalino> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Setting_up_optware_feed
Nov 27 16:44:23 <aagiizip_> bradalino
Nov 27 16:44:39 <aagiizip_> bpadalino
Nov 27 16:44:41 <bpadalino> i am sorry aagiizip_ . .. i honestly don't feel very comfortable :(
Nov 27 16:45:07 <aagiizip_> very sorry
Nov 27 16:45:37 <aagiizip_> just tell me how to download meta doctor from the terminal
Nov 27 16:45:39 <aagiizip_> please
Nov 27 16:47:45 <grndslm> aagiizip_: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor
Nov 27 16:49:29 <aagiizip_> I see, but didn't understand
Nov 27 16:50:20 <grndslm> aagiizip_: i'm about to be making a cross-platform guide in a minute
Nov 27 16:50:27 <grndslm> should be done in a few hours
Nov 27 16:50:59 <aagiizip_> thank you, I'll wait
Nov 27 16:55:01 <kill_dano_> hi
Nov 27 16:55:08 <kill_dano_> quick question :
Nov 27 16:55:23 <kill_dano_>  what do the X's on the icons mean?
Nov 27 16:55:34 <grndslm> patch!
Nov 27 16:55:39 <bpadalino> the little x's like bandaids? patches ?
Nov 27 16:55:46 <kill_dano_> small X on the right bottom side of the icons
Nov 27 16:55:55 <grndslm> how do i copy & paste between virtualbox host/guest OSes
Nov 27 16:56:00 <grndslm> ??
Nov 27 17:06:13 <IanMG> I've submitted my patch! Also madea wiki page here: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Patch_Launcher_Reset_to_First_Page
Nov 27 17:06:20 <IanMG> Hope I've done it all right.
Nov 27 17:08:13 <aagiizip_> activation bypassing alternate method needed
Nov 27 17:08:24 <aagiizip_> for pre
Nov 27 17:21:19 <aagiizip_> can somebody help me to bypass activation for pre?
Nov 27 17:22:06 <OnlyByGrace> how do you mean?
Nov 27 17:22:51 <aagiizip_> I can not do it by that instruction = http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor
Nov 27 17:23:25 <aagiizip_> git clone git <= it is not works for me
Nov 27 17:23:51 <aagiizip_> maybe my ISP port closed for it
Nov 27 17:24:44 <aagiizip_> is there have any chance to be run that Meta Doctor?
Nov 27 17:24:54 <OnlyByGrace> ah
Nov 27 17:25:00 <aagiizip_> I mean other method
Nov 27 17:25:30 <aagiizip_> ???
Nov 27 17:26:35 <OnlyByGrace> Id say your best bet is to get at that git
Nov 27 17:27:45 <grndslm> aagiizip_: you're on windows?  linux?
Nov 27 17:28:42 <aagiizip_> yes
Nov 27 17:28:44 <aagiizip_> linux
Nov 27 17:28:51 <aagiizip_> ubuntu
Nov 27 17:30:02 <grndslm> aagiizip_: try this... http://webos.pastebin.com/m12bceb8f
Nov 27 17:30:16 <aagiizip_> ok
Nov 27 17:30:18 <aagiizip_> thanks
Nov 27 17:30:21 <grndslm> that's the commands it took me to work... i started making it more comprehensive to teach others how to install virtualbox
Nov 27 17:30:29 <grndslm> you should hopefully be able to make sense of that
Nov 27 17:30:38 <grndslm> mix it with the webos-internals link if you have different carrier, etc.
Nov 27 17:30:46 <grndslm> gotta go
Nov 27 17:30:58 <aagiizip_> ok
Nov 27 17:31:24 <aagiizip_> may I ask from you when I have trouble again?
Nov 27 18:51:06 <cryptk> FU Time Warner...  I never had a problem with my internet... until this past monday... it has gone down for at least an hour every day since then...
Nov 27 18:53:42 <Abyssul> Call them
Nov 27 19:00:26 <cryptk> I have
Nov 27 19:00:35 <cryptk> They are "experiencing technical issues"
Nov 27 19:00:47 <cryptk> next time I call I am gonna push for some free pay-per-view of something
Nov 27 19:00:55 <cryptk> cause this is getting rediculous
Nov 27 19:01:26 <cryptk> anyways, time to play WoW... later peeps
Nov 27 19:37:22 <Abyssul> Hmmm... Precorder is having trouble maintaining codecs. It's a 50/50 shot whether WMP can play a .m4v file
Nov 27 19:40:54 <ryan_> I get one good 30 seconds of recording every time I try it :p
Nov 27 19:41:03 <ryan_> But after that it's over for a while.
Nov 27 19:42:56 <Abyssul> Mininova is down for the count...
Nov 27 19:44:39 <ryan_> Demonoid :((
Nov 27 19:44:57 <ryan_> I miss my what.cd account.
Nov 27 20:24:28 <cryptk> so I am just popping in for a sec to point out mangler.org... they have made an open source native linux ventrilo client...
Nov 27 20:24:41 <cryptk> could this possible open the doors to a pre vent client?
Nov 27 20:24:47 <cryptk> only time will tell... later
Nov 27 20:32:36 <sslow> abyssul: That sucks!
Nov 27 20:32:58 <sslow> my favorite torrent site RIP
Nov 27 21:20:43 <BigWhittt> heyy
Nov 27 21:21:11 * Templarian waves hello and goes back to other things.
Nov 27 21:30:19 <BigWhittt> is anyone else using wIRC on their pre?
Nov 27 21:31:50 <BigWhittt> kalamazoo? really?
Nov 27 21:45:56 <Decimate> hey guys, i have an idea, wondering if anyone can make it possible?
Nov 27 21:46:09 <rwhitby> no, it's impossible
Nov 27 21:46:14 <rwhitby> ;-)
Nov 27 21:46:47 <Decimate> :) rwhitby, always so mean :P
Nov 27 21:47:17 <Decimate> my idea, being, a hide page method, so that when you scroll through your pages, it skips on
Nov 27 21:47:29 <Decimate> and the only way to access it, is via an app icon
Nov 27 21:47:45 <Decimate> sort of like, the icon, opening up a folder (the hidden launcher page)
Nov 27 21:48:23 <en0x> is this osmething new that after you end call it wil show u the sound volume?
Nov 27 22:45:07 * Decimation loves wIRC
Nov 28 00:07:15 <rwhitby> morning
Nov 28 00:11:59 <Abyssul> Howdy
Nov 28 00:12:10 <Abyssul> When can we expect Backup Utility?
Nov 28 00:14:10 <rwhitby> it's in alpha testing now - are you helping alpha test it?
Nov 28 00:17:34 <Abyssul> No
Nov 28 00:18:19 <tomtomtom> Is this room proper to ask a question about a issue installing the powersave patch?
Nov 28 00:18:47 <Abyssul> Sure
Nov 28 00:19:11 <Abyssul> Why the heck does it cost $5 for the autocorrect edit app. Thats stupid...
Nov 28 00:19:55 <tomtomtom> Ok, I DL'ed the patch from "http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/modifications/trees/webos-1.3.1/dangerous/" and I'm trying to install it using webos quick install. It's giving me an error saying trash files or something.
Nov 28 00:20:40 <tomtomtom> Would anyone know what I'm doing wrong? it's the 600mhrz atch.
Nov 28 00:20:52 <tomtomtom> MHz*
Nov 28 00:21:01 <Abyssul> Whats the exact error?
Nov 28 00:21:19 <tomtomtom> I'll pull it up...
Nov 28 00:21:47 <rwhitby> Abyssul: if you one is alpha testing the backup stuff, then it will most likely never get released ;-)
Nov 28 00:22:11 <pre> what's up guys
Nov 28 00:22:38 <pre> can someone help me use the precorder bootstrap
Nov 28 00:22:46 <pre> I would appreciate any help
Nov 28 00:22:55 <tomtomtom> It says: ERROR: An error occured while attempting to run /tmp/scriptfile.sh
Nov 28 00:23:31 <pre> any1?
Nov 28 00:23:53 <tomtomtom> Then: http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/modifications/trees/webos-1.3.1/dangerous/
Nov 28 00:23:56 <tomtomtom> opps.
Nov 28 00:24:06 <tomtomtom> then: /var/usr/bin/patch: *** Only garbage was found in the patch input
Nov 28 00:26:14 <Abyssul> rwhitby: I love you too... :p
Nov 28 00:26:50 <Abyssul> pre: what is there to help with? You copy and paste the two commands into terminal
Nov 28 00:27:27 <rwhitby> Abyssul: there's a PreCentral thread on it.  once there's lots of alpha testers in that thread who are having lots of success, then it gets released.
Nov 28 00:28:52 <Abyssul> rwhitby: Alright, I just thought we were waiting for someone to compile it for submission to Preware. I can't alpha test it because I don't wanna bork my phone as I alpha test stuff on my actual phone. :p
Nov 28 00:29:21 <rwhitby> Abyssul: use the emulator
Nov 28 00:30:11 <rwhitby> the fact that you're concerned about it borking your phone is exactly the reason why it needs lots and lots of alpha testers.
Nov 28 00:30:46 <Abyssul> Well backup is sketchy
Nov 28 00:30:52 <Abyssul> Palm is already screwing up with it
Nov 28 00:31:33 <Abyssul> rwhitby: is there anyway to add animated gif support?
Nov 28 00:35:38 <zsoc|away> bah
Nov 28 00:36:13 <SFRdr> sorry for the newb questions guys..but can someone tell how to run the bootstrap for the precorder? id appreciate any help :)
Nov 28 00:36:37 <Abyssul> SFRdr, copy and paste into terminal
Nov 28 00:36:52 <Abyssul> zsoc: Hows it go?
Nov 28 00:37:09 <zsoc> Abyssul: ugh, busiest shopping weekend of the year
Nov 28 00:37:33 <zsoc> SFRdr: you need terminal access. either terminal on the pre or novaterm or the terminal in the new version of wosqi
Nov 28 00:39:00 <zsoc> i wonder what kind of sucker i can get to take over the precorder service while i work on getting a preview...
Nov 28 00:39:02 <zsoc> I know!
Nov 28 00:39:08 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic: so... we still on for the 1st?
Nov 28 00:39:20 <PuffTheMagic> 2nd
Nov 28 00:39:26 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic: right, the 2nd :)
Nov 28 00:39:45 <zsoc> It's funny, now that it sort of functions. It's even _stable_ in 0.3.0 :D Now lets tear it apart! AHAHAHahhahaa
Nov 28 00:40:09 <Abyssul> Wish I was able to record past 2 mins :)
Nov 28 00:40:22 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic: Hey did you know that there are some native c++ wrappers in webos?
Nov 28 00:40:39 <zsoc> Abyssul: Yes. That's precisely the sort of thing I will have time to work on once someone else is handling the service :)
Nov 28 00:40:54 <zsoc> buffer ratios.. drop out timing.. variable bitrates...
Nov 28 00:41:09 <zsoc> buffer queue passing.. frame color spacing..
Nov 28 00:41:14 <PuffTheMagic> zsoc: what do u mean "in webos"
Nov 28 00:41:21 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic: I mean palm code.
Nov 28 00:41:39 <PuffTheMagic> yeah they use c++ for a lot of stuff
Nov 28 00:41:41 <PuffTheMagic> so what?
Nov 28 00:41:42 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic: one of the headers (calls for camd) that palm released to me is in a C++ wrapper
Nov 28 00:41:47 <zsoc> Oh, I didn't know if that was known
Nov 28 00:41:48 * zsoc shrugs
Nov 28 00:41:54 <PuffTheMagic> im not a c++ fan
Nov 28 00:41:59 <zsoc> me neither personally
Nov 28 00:43:10 <zsoc> Abyssul: so what's the problem at 2 minutes? even with keeping it from sleep buffers start dropping out right? and it starts with audio first?
Nov 28 00:45:48 <zsoc> The "high" setting in 1.3 is ridiculously bright. I'm worried about someone going blind, heh.
Nov 28 00:45:52 <zsoc> er, 0.3.0
Nov 28 00:45:59 <zsoc> i can't even version my own software correctly
Nov 28 00:48:01 <Abyssul> Once the app records at the 2 minute mark, it refuses to maintain the video data. It creates a blank .m4v file
Nov 28 00:48:14 <zsoc> Abyssul: i assume it's not exactly 2 minutes?
Nov 28 00:48:28 <Abyssul> Based on my tests, its what I assume
Nov 28 00:48:36 <Abyssul> I've gotten to 1:55
Nov 28 00:48:42 <Abyssul> I can try for 1.59
Nov 28 00:49:11 <zsoc> Ok, so it's a framerate drop out thing
Nov 28 00:49:33 <zsoc> Abyssul: think you can test this command line for me so i can get the output?
Nov 28 00:49:40 <Abyssul> Of course
Nov 28 00:50:04 <zsoc> Abyssul: 1 sec lemme get you the proper command
Nov 28 00:50:09 <Abyssul> K
Nov 28 00:50:19 <Abyssul> Droid Eris available for $30, that was fast?
Nov 28 00:51:00 <zsoc> i dislike android. when you pick it up it's clumsy. not a 'jump in and go' kind of environment
Nov 28 00:51:10 <zsoc> although i'm a fan of moto blur
Nov 28 00:51:23 <Abyssul> Really? I've only heard bad things about the moto blur
Nov 28 00:51:34 <zsoc> er, the moto cliq is bad, but i like the blur technology
Nov 28 00:51:55 <zsoc> er rather i like the idea of the blur technology
Nov 28 01:13:36 <entity-> zsoc
Nov 28 01:13:43 <entity-> is there video rec app?
Nov 28 01:13:53 <zsoc> entity-: what planet have you been on?
Nov 28 01:14:08 <entity-> i go away all week for work
Nov 28 01:14:15 <zsoc> ha
Nov 28 01:14:22 <zsoc> yeah it's in the testing feed
Nov 28 01:14:27 <rwhitby> zsoc: there's some app that Jason wrote isn't there ;-)
Nov 28 01:14:34 <zsoc> if you're unfamiliar you can wget/run the bootstrap as outlined in the wiki
Nov 28 01:14:42 <zsoc> rwhitby: hm? no idea? what planet am i on? ;)
Nov 28 01:16:04 <zsoc> rwhitby: why do people assume you want to support your application just because you developed it?
Nov 28 01:17:14 <rwhitby> ah, that's when you just need to be brutal and only answer questions that have not been answered anywhere else on the internet.
Nov 28 01:17:31 <zsoc> rwhitby: but i have a problem ignoring people. i'd rather just lash out and call them names
Nov 28 01:18:02 <rwhitby> ah, well then not supporting an application gives you plenty of opportunity then, so you should be set ;-)
Nov 28 01:18:14 <zsoc> ha, excellent
Nov 28 01:18:37 <rwhitby> make a name for yourself as "that cranky guy that writes the recording app" ;-)
Nov 28 01:18:51 <zsoc> rwhitby: i love people on the forum who are like "i installed your app and now my volume buttons don't work and my ringer doesn't go off"
Nov 28 01:19:18 <rwhitby> zsoc: oh, the best reply to those is "excellent, my app is working perfectly then"
Nov 28 01:19:26 <zsoc> heh
Nov 28 01:19:47 <zsoc> rwhitby: i'm working with roy on a hidden scene kill switch, for idiots who start a video and then close the app
Nov 28 01:19:54 <zsoc> I mean seriously, why would you even consider doing that?
Nov 28 01:20:45 <zsoc> I don't have time to think of all the ridiculous ways people will abuse my application
Nov 28 01:21:18 <Abyssul> So I can't video record upskirt? :p
Nov 28 01:21:27 <Abyssul> I can't do that without your app
Nov 28 01:21:42 <zsoc> Abyssul: yes you can. start the video. switch to another card
Nov 28 01:22:35 <Abyssul> Hehe
Nov 28 01:24:23 <Abyssul> Anyone wanna help me pick out a new PC monitor?
Nov 28 01:26:36 <Abyssul> or not
Nov 28 01:28:55 <zsoc> Abyssul: 1920x1080 ftw
Nov 28 01:29:19 <Abyssul> Both monitors are
Nov 28 01:29:46 <Abyssul> One has a high rating on newegg and the other on alatest.com
Nov 28 01:29:53 <Abyssul> same price and nearly the same specs
Nov 28 01:30:01 <zsoc> brand?
Nov 28 01:30:02 <Abyssul> Samsung or Acer pretty much lol
Nov 28 01:30:13 <zsoc> well acer doesn't make monitors
Nov 28 01:30:16 <zsoc> so it's probably AOC
Nov 28 01:30:20 <zsoc> which I prefer over Samsung
Nov 28 01:30:34 <zsoc> although Samsung's LEDs are definitely sick
Nov 28 01:30:43 <zsoc> They are both Korean companies at that point, so you probably can't go wrong
Nov 28 01:30:50 <cryptk> zsoc, acer does make monitors
Nov 28 01:30:57 <zsoc> Samsung might have a better guarantee?
Nov 28 01:31:00 <Abyssul> Anything is better than my CRT lol
Nov 28 01:31:05 <zsoc> cryptk: no, acer _assembles_ monitors, there is a difference
Nov 28 01:31:32 <Abyssul> 1 year vs 3 year :)
Nov 28 01:31:37 <cryptk> zsoc, they will be advertised as an acer monitor, sold as an acer monitor... very few companies actually MAKE the LCD panels
Nov 28 01:31:54 <zsoc> cryptk: right, but samsung does ;) and AOC does for Acer, as far as i know
Nov 28 01:31:58 <zsoc> I mean I could be terribly wrong
Nov 28 01:32:03 <zsoc> but that is my current understanding
Nov 28 01:32:42 <Abyssul> Ill go with the samsung
Nov 28 01:32:56 <Abyssul> It'll match my TV
Nov 28 01:33:13 <cryptk> my monitor is an Acer AL2216W
Nov 28 01:33:18 <zsoc> Abyssul: there you go :D you got a 'touch of color' on your samsung? ;)
Nov 28 01:33:32 <cryptk> of course the LCD in it is not an acer manufactured part
Nov 28 01:34:02 <cryptk> but it has been an excellent monitor so far, 22" 1680x1050 and I think you can get it for about $100 now, maybe just a tad less
Nov 28 01:34:13 <Abyssul> My price range is 150
Nov 28 01:34:30 <cryptk> any particular size youa re looking for?
Nov 28 01:34:37 <cryptk> s/youa/your/
Nov 28 01:34:38 <infobot> cryptk meant: any particular size your re looking for?
Nov 28 01:34:49 <Abyssul> Na
Nov 28 01:34:56 <Abyssul> Seems like the samsung had a false price
Nov 28 01:35:01 <Abyssul> Going with the Acer
Nov 28 01:38:45 <cryptk> so I started writing a little bit of code to modify css files with javascript... I am thinking about working on an app to do on-device theming
Nov 28 01:38:56 <cryptk> things like changing fonts, sizes, colors, images...
Nov 28 01:39:24 <cryptk> I don't think it will be able to change anything like a bootup or shutdown screen, but there should be alot that it can change
Nov 28 01:39:56 <cryptk> and it could probably do bootup/shutdown screens if there was a custom service running that it could use, but I am looking for something that doesn't require a custom service...
Nov 28 01:40:31 <cryptk> but it would have to be in 2 pats from what I have figured out so far... a patch to implant itself in the places it needs to, and thena  front end app to adjust things
Nov 28 01:42:26 <cryptk> oh, and I hopped in earlier and made a quick mention of this, I found a native linux Ventrilo client... I wonder how hard it would be to make it work on the pre... it would require almost a complete re-write, but the thing is open source so it could help a little...
Nov 28 01:43:05 <zsoc> cryptk: i can't think of any way to do that that wouldn't seriously weaken the structure of patches in general
Nov 28 01:43:24 <zsoc> you'd have to have a service that made backups of each file, and part of the application would have to allow you to restore
Nov 28 01:43:37 <zsoc> cryptk: and you'd need to check md5sum's against originals, to make sure that the file isn't already patched
Nov 28 01:45:51 <cryptk> yes, all of this I have already thought about
Nov 28 01:46:06 <cryptk> the install and removal of it would be the tricky parts
Nov 28 01:47:12 <cryptk> the removal would be the really hard part
Nov 28 01:47:26 <cryptk> what if you install it, then apply more patches... then uninstall it....
Nov 28 01:47:52 <cryptk> would it have to revert to the pre-patched version and thus undo all of your other patches...
Nov 28 01:47:58 <cryptk> all things I am trying to work out
Nov 28 01:48:23 <cryptk> I have never written anything for the pre before, but I have done ALOT of HTML, CSS and Javascript (I am a web developer)
Nov 28 01:48:32 <cryptk> and I use linux as my everyday OS
Nov 28 01:49:45 <zsoc> cryptk: this would probably require a deeper back end. maybe team up with a java or C service writer.
Nov 28 01:50:36 <cryptk> it would probably be necessary
Nov 28 01:51:20 <cryptk> perhaps there is a way to have a java or C service 'override' the color/font/etc of things on the fly... then the service would jsut apply the changes on each startup... all things to look into...
Nov 28 01:52:57 <cryptk> anyways, friends just got here, later
Nov 28 01:54:01 <zsoc> haha, yeah don't be a webos dork with your friends around ;)
Nov 28 01:59:17 <zsoc> rwhitby: hahaha, there are precorder threads in the Canuck Software forum :D excellent
Nov 28 02:02:01 <rwhitby> zsoc: just point people to that thread for support then :-)
Nov 28 02:17:03 <grndslm> rwhitby:  http://forums.precentral.net/2066144-post130.html
Nov 28 02:17:10 <grndslm> there's my cross-platform guide... that's *almost* cross-platofrm
Nov 28 02:17:26 <grndslm> have to figure out how to get the doctor on the hostOS.
Nov 28 02:25:00 <grndslm> sooo... i'm sure somebody can help me out with copying & pasting between hostOS and guestOS thru virtual machine. . . . .
Nov 28 02:32:38 * rwhitby wonders which set of cheeks are kissed in step 9
Nov 28 02:33:07 <grndslm> ??  i guess if you wanna be a brown-noser...
Nov 28 02:33:32 <rwhitby> you can use shared folders in virtualbox to transfer the files to and from
Nov 28 02:33:49 <JayCanuck> hi all
Nov 28 02:33:52 <grndslm> yea, i just saw that on the internals wiki
Nov 28 02:34:01 <grndslm> howdy howdy
Nov 28 02:36:43 <grndslm> JayCanuck:  so WOSQI 2.9 still downloads webOS 1.2.1?
Nov 28 02:37:45 <SFRdr> whats up guys, can someone help me out with the bootstrap for the precorder? im doing this with web os qi. i entered in the first command line "wget http://bit.ly/precorder-bootstrap" but when i try to enter in "sh precorder-bootstrap" it doesnt do nothing it just say please wait..ive let it sit there for 10mins and nothing happend.
Nov 28 02:37:58 <JayCanuck> it downloads  1.2.1 dr, but that doesn't affect webos 1.3.e usage
Nov 28 02:38:31 <grndslm> yea, i was just answering a guys question who was looking for 1.3.1 and told him to just get WOSQI and it'd take care of it, but i guess that wasn't completely accurate
Nov 28 02:39:19 <JayCanuck> v.2.91 will fix that
Nov 28 02:40:15 <JayCanuck> In the meantime, webos repair utility downloads 1.3.1 sprint/bell
Nov 28 02:42:12 <zsoc> i hate my life
Nov 28 02:42:21 <zsoc> </existential>
Nov 28 02:42:42 <grndslm> JayCanuck:  speaking of v2.91... i was wondering if you could add some extra "space" below the "Web browser ad blocker" tweak...
Nov 28 02:42:54 <grndslm> that whole line is unavailable on my Ubuntu boxes
Nov 28 02:43:29 <grndslm> zsoc:   you do not compute?
Nov 28 02:43:50 <zsoc> grndslm: generally no
Nov 28 02:49:29 <grndslm> garbage in, garbage out?
Nov 28 02:58:31 <SFRdr> whats up guys, can someone help me out with the bootstrap for the precorder? im doing this with web os qi. i entered in the first command line "wget http://bit.ly/precorder-bootstrap" but when i try to enter in "sh precorder-bootstrap" it doesnt do nothing it just say please wait..ive let it sit there for 10mins and nothing happend.
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