**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Nov 29 02:59:57 2009 Nov 29 03:03:22 rwhitby: key sent Nov 29 03:21:23 xorg: old news Nov 29 03:35:39 tmzt: yo Nov 29 03:49:22 hey guys Nov 29 04:04:20 yello all!!!!! I love linux + pre Nov 29 04:05:26 share the love Nov 29 04:07:05 PuffTheMagic: ping Nov 29 04:09:14 ?? Nov 29 04:09:28 how would I share. go buy a pre. Nov 29 04:09:30 haha Nov 29 04:10:18 k_rad, there are some donation links on the webos-internals page .. you could help by donating your time and/or money to help out .. maybe edit a wiki page or add whatever knowledge you can Nov 29 04:10:21 any little bit helps Nov 29 04:11:40 I'm broke Nov 29 04:11:57 anyone wanna donate me some gas money to get to school? Nov 29 04:12:00 hahaha jp Nov 29 04:12:06 true Nov 29 04:52:20 zsoc: ping Nov 29 04:52:38 xaiki: yo Nov 29 04:53:00 zsoc: I've been looking at the palm gst patches, do you still have your x-compile setup up ? Nov 29 04:53:07 there's something I'm dying to try =) Nov 29 04:53:27 xaiki: sure thing, what plugin do you want? Nov 29 04:53:38 or are you recompiling camsrc? Nov 29 04:54:02 nope, I still didn't get to do lots on that part ... the code is quite messy and I'm having trouble parsing the patch with my head =) Nov 29 04:54:14 but, I've been looking at the patch they put on plugins-good Nov 29 04:54:27 euh ... -base Nov 29 04:54:41 and there's a lot of MIME_TYPE_SUPPORTED_FOR_PALM_DOT_FIVE defines Nov 29 04:55:14 and if I'm not too wrong, removing those should get us a long way into reading other formats, like ogg Nov 29 04:55:24 * zsoc thinks Nov 29 04:55:39 i'm pretty sure that's stuck up in MediaServer Nov 29 04:56:08 * xaiki greps Nov 29 04:56:31 anyone use a rubber cover for the Pre? Nov 29 04:56:35 erg.. you're right, "ogg" is in their defines... ok, I really don't understand the point of their patch.. Nov 29 04:56:40 Robi_: that's what she said Nov 29 04:56:50 xaiki: heh, start looking at the gstreamer core patch Nov 29 04:56:55 they killed registering Nov 29 04:56:58 and then added their own register Nov 29 04:57:04 zsoc: oh snap Nov 29 04:57:47 i have this 2 piece and its odd, it just kinds sits around it, doens't snap on, feels like it can come off at any moment Nov 29 04:57:55 Robi_: that's what she said Nov 29 04:58:21 yea that's quite enough Nov 29 04:58:57 sorry, you keep setting me up Nov 29 04:59:08 Robi_: i don't use a cover, i just use the offical palm case with the pull string or i have a cell phone pocket in one of my pairs of pants Nov 29 04:59:13 +#ifdef ENABLE_GST_REGISTRY_BIN_APP Nov 29 04:59:13 + GstBinRegistryReadRegistry(); Nov 29 04:59:13 +#endif Nov 29 04:59:13 Nov 29 04:59:18 erf.. Nov 29 04:59:27 i used the reversible black/orange pouch as well Nov 29 05:00:03 but for 2.99 i'm trying out this perimeter cover Nov 29 05:00:21 just great, the phone's dead Nov 29 05:00:33 i think the cover may be pressing on buttons draining the power Nov 29 05:01:17 we need a #webos-externals channel Nov 29 05:01:34 heh Nov 29 05:01:39 do that in #webos Nov 29 05:02:18 any new discoveries on the sink split/tap? Nov 29 05:03:51 Robi_: i wanted to ask you something Nov 29 05:04:00 but i'm not sure what tho Nov 29 05:04:04 what was it you worked on? Nov 29 05:04:22 here? Nov 29 05:04:43 er, in the community Nov 29 05:04:47 i remember seeing your name on something Nov 29 05:05:11 i helped out a bunch of people with various bits, like mytether Nov 29 05:05:24 i did a bunch of edits on the orig wiki and some on the new Nov 29 05:05:41 i have an app I started but enver finished ;-/ Nov 29 05:05:53 hmm. weird then Nov 29 05:06:09 the answer to your question is, tee works fine, just the directfb sink thats the issue Nov 29 05:06:22 oh i installed win7 from the pre ;] Nov 29 05:06:31 i think CTL* worked on it... but i'm not sure if i can use the existing api (i most defniately cant actually) Nov 29 05:06:31 ha Nov 29 05:06:59 zsoc: well, I'd be guessing that Luna will be hamering /dev/fb0 at the same time, ... that can't work all too well. Nov 29 05:07:05 Should all patches be removed before running webOS doctor? Nov 29 05:07:46 xaiki: are we sure it does now? Nov 29 05:08:08 xaiki: then we use /dev/fb1 ;) Nov 29 05:08:31 xaiki: there has to be a loophole. I'm certain that palmvideosink is just a hacked directfbsink Nov 29 05:08:34 Robi_: quite obviously. Nov 29 05:08:40 LunaSysMg 1169 root mem CHR 29,0 458 /dev/fb0 Nov 29 05:08:40 LunaSysMg 1169 root 23u CHR 29,0 0t0 458 /dev/fb0 Nov 29 05:08:40 Nov 29 05:08:50 * Robi_ nods Nov 29 05:08:52 I love people who know what they are talking about Nov 29 05:09:08 zsoc: I've been thinking about it, and I don't think so, or else it has a lot of black magic. Nov 29 05:09:33 zsoc: if it were the case, you'd see clipping issues at best, and the card animation when you put it on the side should be much choppier Nov 29 05:09:46 xaiki: then how the hell does it work? The simple fact is, luna is _pwning_ fb0, and yet somehow it sinks the camera output to a card view Nov 29 05:09:50 you NEED fb access to do that Nov 29 05:10:19 nope =) Nov 29 05:10:28 xaiki: explain Nov 29 05:10:38 zsoc: you could have video caps in luna. Nov 29 05:10:42 what? is it some weird lunasink? Nov 29 05:10:44 like the youtube app does. Nov 29 05:10:47 like xsink? Nov 29 05:10:50 * zsoc thinks Nov 29 05:11:03 Isn't that the same thing really? Video playback? Nov 29 05:11:06 root@palm-webos-device:/# ldd /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libPmMediaGstVideoSinkLib. Nov 29 05:11:06 so Nov 29 05:11:06 Segmentation fault Nov 29 05:11:06 Nov 29 05:11:11 ok ... Nov 29 05:11:34 * Robi_ thinks we're getting somewhere Nov 29 05:11:37 hum, you might be right zsoc Nov 29 05:11:37 root@palm-webos-device:/# strings /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libPmMediaGstVideoSink Nov 29 05:11:37 Lib.so | grep fb Nov 29 05:11:37 /dev/fb0 Nov 29 05:11:40 Nov 29 05:12:00 Robi_: this is the type of garbage that happening in PMs all day. rarely do we get anywhere ;) Nov 29 05:12:06 xaiki: see D: Nov 29 05:12:13 xaiki: thank you for confirming that, actually Nov 29 05:12:24 I should compare strings libPmMediaGstVideoSink to strings libgstdirectfb Nov 29 05:12:37 and see if i can convince Palm to release their code based on similarities ;) Nov 29 05:12:40 zsoc: i only mean towards discovery, not solution Nov 29 05:12:50 zsoc: we'd probably find more 'fb' strings =) Nov 29 05:13:09 Robi_: we'd be more likely to discover how confused we are than anything else ;) but xai is getting somewhere :) Nov 29 05:13:32 but I see a lot of __func__.xxxxx that makes me think it might not be written in C. Nov 29 05:13:35 xaiki: the point is, if it indeed shares the fb, than camd somehow tells luna to hold on for a second and freeze everything else. Nov 29 05:13:39 haha Nov 29 05:13:53 i'm enjoying the show Nov 29 05:14:02 xaiki: which would explain why you can't see the preview sink when the camera is zoomed out Nov 29 05:14:06 er, not focused Nov 29 05:14:52 it does have some v4l syms. Nov 29 05:14:56 * Robi_ has an idea Nov 29 05:15:38 replicate the camera viewfinder functionality Nov 29 05:15:42 humm and it has weird things like: [37;41m%s:%s(%d):ERROR: ioctl(VIDIOC_G_FMT,format=V4L2_BUF_TYPE_VIDEO_OUTPUT) failed: %s Nov 29 05:15:42 Nov 29 05:15:49 it's esentially video as it is, just goes nowhere Nov 29 05:15:50 [37;41m%s:%s(%d):ERROR: ioctl(fd=%d,FBIOGET_VSCREENINFO) failed. err=%d Nov 29 05:15:50 Nov 29 05:15:53 Robi_: nope Nov 29 05:16:13 zsoc: my guess is that this is the only thing they use /dev/fb0 for Nov 29 05:17:27 ok my hard driver LITERALLY just died Nov 29 05:17:36 s/driver/drive Nov 29 05:17:55 then how many _VSCREENINFO are defined? Nov 29 05:18:02 make 2 for example Nov 29 05:18:32 one writes other overlays Nov 29 05:18:33 xaiki: email me huge ramblings of your findings? zsoc.webosinternals@gmail.com Nov 29 05:18:57 but only the huge ones Nov 29 05:19:08 zsoc_wirc: so I'll search a bit more first =) Nov 29 05:19:41 xaiki: I need to go hope I have a recent image backed up, or toss my hard drive in the freezer, heh Nov 29 05:20:57 zsoc_wirc: =( Nov 29 05:21:23 xaiki: its ok. I'm pretty good about imaging my stuff :) Nov 29 05:22:02 xaiki: so did we confirm that palm's binary video sink uses the same fb device as luna? (and probably directfb?) Nov 29 05:25:14 zsoc_wirc: nope. Nov 29 05:25:15 they don.t' Nov 29 05:25:22 they use npapi to push things. Nov 29 05:25:49 zsoc_wirc: so they probably have a specific plugin for their browser. Nov 29 05:25:49 xaiki: ah. you are finally getting into territory I am not familiar with Nov 29 05:25:55 netscape style plugin. Nov 29 05:26:00 ok. compile that email lol. I'll be back tommorow Nov 29 05:26:00 to get the video in their webapps. Nov 29 05:26:08 1sec =) Nov 29 05:26:18 you know where the browser objs/plugins are ? Nov 29 05:26:27 thanks for the efforts Nov 29 05:27:00 oh wait Nov 29 05:27:27 /usr/lib/directfb-1.1-0/interfaces/IDirectFBVideoProvider/libidirectfbvideoprovider_gif.so Nov 29 05:27:29 interesting =) Nov 29 05:28:24 oh interesting Nov 29 05:28:45 hum, could be nothing, Nov 29 05:28:51 it's in the standard directfb dist. Nov 29 05:29:01 right Nov 29 05:29:08 and there's still no evidence videosink uses it. Nov 29 05:29:09 I knew that lol Nov 29 05:29:17 zsoc_wirc: when you get your x-compile setup back up. Nov 29 05:29:37 you should try to figure out why ldd SEGVs on the videosink binary. Nov 29 05:29:47 so basically they made a wrapper for direcfb with a netscape plugin Nov 29 05:29:48 sounds right Nov 29 05:29:55 what am I compiling? Nov 29 05:30:06 zsoc_wirc: i'm really not sure. Nov 29 05:30:20 zsoc_wirc: my theory is that luna has a way to talk libdirectfb to put video. Nov 29 05:30:33 and that the sink just feeds that through a netscape plugin (i.e. a web plugin) Nov 29 05:31:02 check the directfb patches on palms opensource site? Nov 29 05:31:05 then your app can manipulate it by

ing a plugin instance. Nov 29 05:31:48 so it _might_ be possible to embed the plugin and use palmvideosink? Nov 29 05:32:00 absolutely. Nov 29 05:32:19 fuck ... ldd segvs on everything on thepalm. Nov 29 05:32:22 the gst plugin is what I'm stuck on. I'm confysed about what its looking to sink to Nov 29 05:32:37 that's not surprising lol Nov 29 05:33:30 ok I gotta jet Nov 29 05:33:37 ok, thanks for your time ! Nov 29 05:33:42 will mail you when I go to sleep ! Nov 29 05:34:22 kk ty Nov 29 05:42:39 howdy Nov 29 05:43:58 * xaiki still looking for someone with posting powers on precentral.net =) Nov 29 05:45:02 hi everyone! Nov 29 06:38:00 Hrm, it would be quite nice if the Preware app could actually give an error or warning of some kind if you tell it to update feeds and it can't actually talk to the servers. Nov 29 06:40:00 it doesnt? :/ Nov 29 06:40:05 Nope. Nov 29 06:40:14 It just silently fails to update. Nov 29 06:40:26 oil: can you chime in? :) Nov 29 06:43:43 no, it cant Nov 29 06:44:01 C service to the rescue Nov 29 06:44:10 it will, when its switched to that Nov 29 06:44:14 post 1.0 Nov 29 06:46:31 oil: Why not? (I'm curious about the technical details here.) Nov 29 06:46:57 the current service just calls the normal ipkg commands Nov 29 06:47:03 and waits for it to return Nov 29 06:47:46 It can't check the return status? Nov 29 06:48:39 it doesn't always return Nov 29 06:48:50 we can't set the timeouts Nov 29 06:49:44 the service just gets hung up waiting for the binary to respond Nov 29 06:49:47 The case I'm seeing isn't when it sits there forever. It's when it has lost the data connectivity and says everything is fine when it's not. Nov 29 06:50:49 its all on git.webos-internals Nov 29 06:50:49 feel free to try and make it work Nov 29 06:50:49 Mercury: yep, wget is not timing out, so the ipkg binary never returns Nov 29 06:51:07 Also, reasonably easy to force a timeout if you can launch a shell script that sleeps a set period, finds the pid of the ipkg process, verifys that it's the right process, and issues a kill command. Background it, and have it touch a file depending on if it finds stuff or not. Nov 29 06:51:14 (Not _pretty_, but.) Nov 29 06:52:01 * Mercury grabs the current SDK release. Nov 29 06:52:24 Which reminds me...what IDEs are available? Nov 29 06:52:36 Eclipse and...? Or is that it for now? Nov 29 06:52:45 Templarian's komodo Nov 29 06:53:06 and ares eventually Nov 29 06:53:07 Oh yeah, forgot about that. Nov 29 06:53:13 And Ares, sounds sweet. Nov 29 06:53:30 oil, I fixed my problem I had yesterday Nov 29 06:53:57 you had a problem yesterday? Nov 29 06:54:08 Well it was more a2 helping me Nov 29 06:54:25 SSH connection would only stay active when there was wifi activity, even with the screen unlocked Nov 29 06:54:31 Turned out my router needed rebooting, lol :p Nov 29 06:54:42 Always start with the basics. Nov 29 06:57:51 AtomicPlayboy: http://webos.templarian.com/komodo/ (if you didn't find it) Nov 29 06:59:27 Mercury: the C service uses libcurl instead of wget and has support for timeouts.... idk when we will ever use it though ;) Nov 29 06:59:44 after 1.0 Nov 29 06:59:52 * oil will add it to trac Nov 29 07:06:29 Note, the failure mode that's really bugging me is when the resolv.conf got screwed up, the wget commands would have failed immediately, but you're not actually checking the return status at all, so even when it does throw an error it gets ignored. Nov 29 07:11:44 Mercury: that's a pretty serious accusation that we are not checking the return status at all. Nov 29 07:13:56 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=services/ipkgservice.git;a=blob;f=org/webosinternals/ipkgservice/IPKGService.java, lines 222, 386 and 391 say differently to me. Nov 29 07:14:21 rwhitby: The preware application side checks to make sure that the payload error code is not -1, and that the returnVal is defined. Nov 29 07:15:18 The IPKGService properly sets an error code, but the application is searching for a specific error value, not checking to make sure that there is no error. Nov 29 07:15:32 Templarian I found it, thanks. Nov 29 07:15:53 Who developed the Precorder application? Nov 29 07:16:02 ErrorMessage.ERROR_CODE_METHOD_EXCEPTION may actually be -1, but I'm having some trouble finding out one way or another. Nov 29 07:17:04 rwhitby: And sadly, just a few days ago I had ipkg failing and the preware application behaving as if everything was fine. Nov 29 07:19:38 * rwhitby looks sideways at oil ... Nov 29 07:20:44 Precorder: best thing since sliced banana, fyi. Nov 29 07:21:47 AtomicPlayboy, zsoc did i believe and jason helped maybe? Nov 29 07:22:18 * oil doesn't like his bananas sliced... Nov 29 07:22:45 * ryan_ doesn't like bananas. Nov 29 07:23:01 Which is why it's so much better. Nov 29 07:23:09 AtomicPlayboy: zsoc developed it, with help from myself and Jason on the service, and myself and Roy and AnOutsider soon to on the app. Nov 29 07:23:46 Sweet, thank you. Nov 29 07:24:07 But zsoc should get all the credit - all the rest was simply turning the handle. Nov 29 07:24:44 One question, does recorded sound defaulting to the left channel indicate a bug? Is that a known issue? Or is that the encoder doing that? Nov 29 07:25:18 no idea. Nov 29 07:25:20 It's just mono sound. Nov 29 07:25:30 Hm. Nov 29 07:25:44 single mic on the Pre - makes sense Nov 29 07:26:17 I realize it's mono. The playback on the YouTube video that was posted on Precentral plays through the left channel only though, not both in mono. Nov 29 07:26:25 Is that just me, or does anyone else get that? Nov 29 07:26:27 http://kirupa.templarian.com/code/code.html << Have a look at that (FF 3.x or WebKit only). Nov 29 07:26:42 AtomicPlayboy: It's everyone. Nov 29 07:27:41 Okay. Nov 29 07:28:48 Yikes. 27 pages on that post. Nov 29 07:29:15 Bed first, forum digging later. Nov 29 07:30:18 Mercury: http://git.webos-internals.org/trac/preware/ticket/4, thanks. Nov 29 07:31:29 (btw that link I linked is just a cool JS preview of something I'm making not a question so feel free to click it) Nov 29 07:33:44 rwhitby: I suspect that updating line 246 of app/assistants/update-assistant.js in preware to read '!= undefined' instead of '== -1' would do the trick, but I'm not to the point of actually being able to test this. Nov 29 07:37:33 Someone needs to write me an app that cures depression and lonliness... Nov 29 07:38:21 its called wIRC Nov 29 07:39:10 I thought that the precoset app did that Nov 29 07:39:19 the what app? Nov 29 07:39:40 oh, its not compatible with 1.3.1 Nov 29 07:40:25 precocet <3 Nov 29 07:40:25 Well, there's always the old fashioned cure. Nov 29 07:40:43 Just have to find my pipe... Nov 29 07:40:45 brb Nov 29 07:41:56 now... Nov 29 07:42:32 just have to endure the frigid weather outside. Nov 29 07:43:24 . Nov 29 07:43:35 yeah its snowin mad out here Nov 29 07:43:52 It's not quite that bad here.. Nov 29 07:43:56 arizona ftw Nov 29 07:44:13 My uncle lives there. Nov 29 07:44:19 I haven't been in a about 10 years.. Nov 29 07:46:22 lol arizona Nov 29 07:46:36 its only like 50 degrees out here... Nov 29 07:46:52 it was colder in the day time. Nov 29 07:47:08 where is here Nov 29 07:47:58 while I was hanging out with an old friend this thanksgiving, he pulled out his droid phone. I said it was pretty cool. 30 seconds later I set my phone in front of him - droid theme. Nov 29 07:48:24 endersama: installed it on the fly? Nov 29 07:48:50 15 degrees outside \\m/ Nov 29 07:49:07 hellz yeah Nov 29 07:49:19 I love the cold Nov 29 07:49:37 Don't condone what? Nov 29 07:51:49 rwhitby: :yep Nov 29 07:51:54 oil: why after 1.0, 1.0 is infinately far away, a few tweaks to the C services and a branch of Preware and I will have the C services running in a day..... only holdup is the autobuilder Nov 29 07:53:38 so I was wondering, does the webos internals team anticipate patches such as the virtual keyboard to be incorporated in future webos versions? Nov 29 07:54:16 it is already, isn't it? Nov 29 07:57:55 I doubt it hcky. Nov 29 07:58:46 Certainly contributions could be made towards Palms efforts in some regards, but simply integrating their patches seems unlikely. Nov 29 07:58:57 hckyplayer024: such decisions are usually based on marketing rather than technical criteria Nov 29 07:59:27 I see, are there any discussions? Nov 29 07:59:32 the patches themselves can be integrated by Palm from a licensing point of view (we used the MIT license intentionally) Nov 29 08:00:30 so meaning palm can just decide to include it free of charge? Nov 29 08:00:43 hckyplayer024: yep, without any viral problems Nov 29 08:00:56 CAN be, but will be seems doubtful. Using your own VK example, that patch is still buggy and unpolished. I wouldn't hold my breath on such considerations. Nov 29 08:01:17 No more than I'd hold it til WebGL is incorporated. Nov 29 08:01:24 I see, so whats in it for egaudet to make the virtual keyboard when palm can just include it as part of their OS without compensating him? Nov 29 08:01:55 hckyplayer024: there's not really anything to discuss. Palm follows homebrew developments closely, and knows exactly what's going on (even to the extent of people inside Palm knowing exactly how advanced homebrew services like ipkgservice operate), but as nonlocal says the decision is based on much more than just whether it's technically possible. Nov 29 08:02:24 hckyplayer024: I guess you've never written any open source software? Nov 29 08:02:33 nope Nov 29 08:03:06 motivation comes in many forms, and often monetary concerns are not the top of the list. Nov 29 08:03:29 I mean, I can understand if I just made a simple patch that didn't take up too much time Nov 29 08:03:42 but he is spending hours and it is really polished Nov 29 08:04:21 I suspect eguadet would be very pleased if Palm incorporated the virtual keyboard, cause then he would still have the keyboard that he needs (otherwise he wouldn't have created it) and he will no longer have to maintain it, freeing up his valuable time to create something else. Nov 29 08:04:48 hckyplayer024: why do you think we created Preware? Nov 29 08:05:32 we don't get paid for it, and the donations barely cover the hardware expenses for maintaining the servers. Nov 29 08:05:46 well I mean its got to feel rewarding to know you guys are heading up a project that is benefiting people Nov 29 08:07:54 so what DOES make you do it, if it could end up costing you money? Nov 29 08:08:13 it something that I need to make my phone useable. Nov 29 08:08:29 (and I don't even have a Pre that works as a phone yet) Nov 29 08:09:06 well I must admit, it is extremely kind of you guys to provide the community with your services free of charge Nov 29 08:09:23 in return, I get great apps like wIRC ... Nov 29 08:09:55 and Precorder ... Nov 29 08:10:03 As a programmer, and an all over nerd, often times my interest in hobbies and activities outweights my financial sensibility. Nov 29 08:10:08 with view finder soon ;] Nov 29 08:10:23 Robi_: as soon as you commit that patch ... ;) Nov 29 08:10:48 Simply put, and I think it applies to most people in Open Source: we do it because its what we love and beliieve in. Nov 29 08:10:48 (Robi_ has a viewfinder patch for Precorder that he is hoarding - we're waiting for him to commit it so we can release the new version) Nov 29 08:11:07 rwhitby: no you missed the eralier discussion Nov 29 08:11:11 Like asking why my pops gambled and drank so much... Nov 29 08:11:14 there's fwd momentum Nov 29 08:11:20 Tis a joke. omy. Nov 29 08:12:31 haha Nov 29 08:12:57 Robi_: I saw the earlier discussion - that's why I figured you had a patch by now ;) Nov 29 08:13:19 Viewfinder you say? Sexy. Nov 29 08:13:27 you're always so hopefull Nov 29 08:16:16 Freenode is so... busy. Nov 29 08:17:07 I crawled out of the slums (EFnet) and ended up in a busy city. Nov 29 08:18:10 I feel claustrophobic. Nov 29 08:25:45 nonlocal: you sound like an open source developer - what's your itch that you're going to scratch for the Pre ? Nov 29 08:26:45 whats internalz Nov 29 08:27:06 A file manager for WebOS, robi. Nov 29 08:27:38 And I'm not sure, rwhitby. I've contributed in small ways to a few projects but I still haven't found my niche. Nov 29 08:28:26 nonlocal: what projects have you been involved with before? Nov 29 08:29:48 ah. somehow i've haven't had a need to manage files with an app yet Nov 29 08:33:36 For webOS, nothing official. I've trolled the forums and keep in touch with various devs. But I've made no useful mark yet, to my shame. Nov 29 08:37:03 hey internals Nov 29 08:42:33 360 disc read errors :( Nov 29 08:42:42 time to replace it Nov 29 08:45:02 * rwhitby embarks on hacking the new 2.0 version of the Linksys WRP400 firmware ... Nov 29 08:47:00 not necessarily Nov 29 08:48:36 buy a laser cleaning disk if the drive itself is still spinning Nov 29 08:48:55 if not, just replace the dvd drive Nov 29 08:49:00 * oil replaced his, and its great Nov 29 08:52:43 * endersama kicks his 360 anytime it tries giving problems Nov 29 08:55:13 so, what homebrew apps do you all consider mandatory on your phone. I'm looking for some useful installs (preware is a given) Nov 29 09:01:27 terminal Nov 29 09:02:51 rwhitby: Yes, I can confirm that the change I mentioned causes an error to be reported properly. Nov 29 09:02:53 luna manager Nov 29 09:03:03 rwhitby: What's the best way to submit a one line fix? :) Nov 29 09:04:22 if only I knew linux commands ::facepalm:: Nov 29 09:05:03 If only I knew javascript well. Nov 29 09:07:03 I can do databases and some languages, but it always seems whatever I want to do is something I don't know Nov 29 09:08:02 Robi_, not view finder live view... oh man as rwhitby said hardware difficulties do not allow view finder on the pre ;) Nov 29 09:10:18 rwhitby, with open wrt? Nov 29 09:11:39 rwhitby, did you guys ever mess with Linksys WRT320N Nov 29 09:12:55 Jack87: wait, are you saying linksys made something besides the wrt54g? Nov 29 09:13:29 endersama, are you being serious? Nov 29 09:13:50 lol, no Nov 29 09:14:19 endersama, haha you almost got me Nov 29 09:14:48 Jack87: I just work for my universities tech support, and everytime there's a rogue router... Nov 29 09:15:31 usually happen to be a wrt54g then? Nov 29 09:15:53 i think we lost rwhitby Nov 29 09:16:18 lol, right Nov 29 09:16:26 i wanted to find out if they ever had support for the Linksys WRT320N... i know he works on the openwrt project Nov 29 09:16:26 Mercury: pastebin a patch? Nov 29 09:16:47 (and I don't believe ddwrt or tomato support wrt400) Nov 29 09:17:14 Jack87: for the wrp400, I have a makefile which I call unwrapped, which just installs and enables dropbear into a firmware image - a bit like the meta-doctor Nov 29 09:17:44 rwhitby, really cool. Nov 29 09:17:56 Jack87: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/WRP400/HomePage Nov 29 09:18:18 Jack87: http://svn.nslu2-linux.org/svnroot/unwrapped/trunk/Makefile Nov 29 09:18:25 rwhitby, is the your personal router then Nov 29 09:19:21 Jack87: nope, my gateway currently is this: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/gallery/FSG3-Hacking Nov 29 09:19:39 rwhitby, i see you started the thread in openwrt for it Nov 29 09:20:24 but I have an WRP400, and am thinking of changing over to it to combine the fsg3 and a spa3000 into a single unit Nov 29 09:20:33 rwhitby, that is cool what router is that? you added a usb hub into it? Nov 29 09:20:33 the wrp400 is also the backup hardware in case the fsg3 fails Nov 29 09:21:04 rwhitby, did it used to have a hard drive? Nov 29 09:21:24 Jack87: it used to be a NAS device with a hard disk in it, I removed the hard disk, made it run from flash, and added an internal bluetooth gateway for the Treo 650 at the same time. Nov 29 09:21:51 the microdrive got replaced a while back - it wasn't reliable Nov 29 09:22:07 rwhitby: That works. Nov 29 09:22:10 rwhitby, not to mention your esata port! does it act as a server for external hard drive Nov 29 09:22:40 rwhitby, me like! very much Nov 29 09:23:13 Jack87: the esata port is standard. it's running openwrt. don't have any disks connected - I have a QNAP TS409 running Debian Lenny for that. Nov 29 09:24:00 very cool! Nov 29 09:24:19 i could never find a working openwrt for any of my routers sadly Nov 29 09:24:29 Jack87: my travel router is a hacked fonera2: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/gallery/fonera2-hacks - it also has an internal bluetooth gateway, and can be used to share a hotel room ethernet over wifi and bluetooth Nov 29 09:25:04 rwhitby, i love it Nov 29 09:25:17 the flying mini-USB has been replaced by a USB-A socket Nov 29 09:25:26 so your treo sends internet to your router via bluetooth? Nov 29 09:25:36 yep Nov 29 09:25:45 very ncie Nov 29 09:26:05 lol my travel router is the little dlink one.. not nearly as nifty but is small Nov 29 09:26:06 no unlimited data plans in Australia - hence some ingenuity is required ... Nov 29 09:26:12 its all stock... do you know of any hacks for it Nov 29 09:26:47 * Mercury nukes his palm VM and reinstalls it. Nov 29 09:27:06 back in the nslu2-linux project days, my network shelf used to look like this: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/gallery/slug-central Nov 29 09:27:33 rwhitby, fun stuff... i love hardware hacks Nov 29 09:27:51 i wanted to solder a usb hub into my netbook like you did with your router Nov 29 09:27:55 haha no luck there Nov 29 09:28:00 Is there anywhere else to watch the sprint dev conference video that does not use silverlight? Nov 29 09:28:13 http://www.nslu2-linux.org/gallery/34pin_universal_connector was one of the more extensive hardware hacks on the nslu2 ... Nov 29 09:28:15 my soldering skills are a bit.. well i wouldnt say lacking.. but non existent Nov 29 09:28:50 ird, as of yet.. i dont hink so Nov 29 09:28:55 think* Nov 29 09:29:14 Moonlight hates me :( Nov 29 09:29:14 http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/AddAThirtyFourPinUniversalConnector was the wiki page for that one. Nov 29 09:29:47 rwhitby, that is awesome Nov 29 09:30:34 ird: silverlight is available for windows, mac and linux. Nov 29 09:30:48 ird: but I don't know of any better format streams, no. Nov 29 09:31:06 rwhitby, any background knowledge on this guy? http://www.dlink.com/products/?pid=346 Nov 29 09:31:33 Jack87: nope Nov 29 09:31:48 rwhitby, i dont think there is any hope for it :( but i love the size Nov 29 09:32:14 rwhitby: It might be available, but working is another story :p Nov 29 09:32:25 rwhitby, its saved my ass a few times to considering it works off ethernet as a wireless wifi card to. and works great for the ps2 :) Nov 29 09:34:43 rwhitby, how much is data on mobile there Nov 29 09:34:51 relative to USD? Nov 29 09:36:47 Grr, about half the time palm-install doesn't seem to update the package, and I'm not sure why. Nov 29 09:37:20 And if it's removed, it still doesn't work... Nov 29 09:39:14