**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 01 02:59:58 2009 Dec 01 03:18:44 I'm having issues with tweaks. after doing a emergency patch removal, I can't install the patches I had previously loaded. Any thoughts? Dec 01 03:23:34 I just installed multimod today, and when i try to download an .mp3 i just get a little popup with an exclamation mark in it. is there a known cause for this? Dec 01 03:26:02 haha I'm back Dec 01 03:26:12 was catching up on SuperNatural :) Dec 01 03:26:15 ****************LCML ERROR : DSP ************************ Dec 01 03:26:15 Error: Create the Node : Err Num = 8000800c Dec 01 03:26:15 ****************LCML ERROR : DSP ************************ Dec 01 03:26:15 869 :: Error returned from LCML_Init() Dec 01 03:26:30 That is upsetting. How in the world can I not down-rate the DSP? Dec 01 03:29:42 22052 might be the magic word Dec 01 03:31:13 Abyssul: trak box follows for 72 seconds with sync, this is a good sign Dec 01 03:34:09 gonna go finish up this episode, zsoc I'll check back with you in an hour or so Dec 01 03:34:16 AnOutsider: kk, sorry Dec 01 03:34:25 no prob man Dec 01 03:34:28 AnOutsider: unless you just want to grab Dec 01 03:34:44 AnOutsider: the new version and see if you need to change anything, you might not have to consider the button only changes what it says on it, not another button Dec 01 03:35:10 I think I just found a bug in the Contacts app.. Dec 01 03:47:18 i noticed a new jstop slpha in the feed today Dec 01 03:47:40 Does anyone know what processes the pre should be running on a reboot Dec 01 03:50:48 Abyssul: i'm up to 2:11 :) Dec 01 04:06:27 navinag: the usual is calendar, systemui, phone, messaging, tasks, mail, im Dec 01 04:07:01 oh, and when it says you have negative usable memory, that's the luna vm not updating the javascript heap totals Dec 01 04:07:04 :) Dec 01 04:07:19 i see multiple phone an systemui upon reboots Dec 01 04:07:21 is this normal Dec 01 04:07:24 yes Dec 01 04:07:26 there are 2 Dec 01 04:07:39 I think it forks itself Dec 01 04:07:49 I'll add on option to hide the normal ones I think Dec 01 04:07:52 do you know why Dec 01 04:07:57 not really sure Dec 01 04:08:04 1007 is a bad pid to kill though :) Dec 01 04:08:21 restarts luna Dec 01 04:08:25 after a few seconds Dec 01 04:08:39 i noticed that Dec 01 04:08:39 although I did get lunasysmgr to segfault when it happened and had to hard reboot the phone Dec 01 04:08:56 that was in 1.2.1 though Dec 01 04:09:06 haven't seen that happen in 1.3.1 Dec 01 04:09:14 i also noticed that the browser does not kill itself after discarding Dec 01 04:09:29 might be a leak Dec 01 04:09:32 and found that an app from home brew was also running Dec 01 04:09:44 This could lead to some good cleanup of apps Dec 01 04:09:51 Hi... has the Preware Installer been replaced with this PreBrew thing? Dec 01 04:10:51 I also see the camera app running upon reboot...>Could this be because I have precorder installed? Dec 01 04:11:40 no, that's always there Dec 01 04:11:49 the system starts some services by default Dec 01 04:11:56 ok Dec 01 04:12:02 probably to reduce runtime calls to it Dec 01 04:12:03 understandable Dec 01 04:12:07 yeah Dec 01 04:12:08 good app though Dec 01 04:12:14 they all exist in /etc/events.d I think Dec 01 04:12:15 thanks Dec 01 04:12:19 very interesting to actually see whats running Dec 01 04:12:27 So how did you actually get this information Dec 01 04:12:39 I never see this when running top Dec 01 04:12:42 "top" Dec 01 04:13:45 I have looked specifically vefore could not find any apps that I knew were running? Dec 01 04:14:15 I ripped apart the WebOS Resource Monitor in the Mojo SDK Dec 01 04:14:22 and found how they were doing it Dec 01 04:14:30 ahhhhhhhhhh Dec 01 04:14:38 the service request is palm://com.palm.lunastats/getStats{} Dec 01 04:14:51 you have to be in the com.palm app namespace though Dec 01 04:15:14 and it behaves... oddly Dec 01 04:15:14 you alwasy get a onFailure callback Dec 01 04:15:14 so does that query LunaMgr Dec 01 04:15:14 ? Dec 01 04:15:14 or something like that Dec 01 04:15:22 yeah Dec 01 04:15:27 LunaSysMgr I think Dec 01 04:15:35 ok..i was wondering how that worked Dec 01 04:15:57 yeah, it's completely not documented though :) Dec 01 04:16:01 what is "onFailre callback:" Dec 01 04:16:12 it that a error return code Dec 01 04:16:18 ? Dec 01 04:16:34 it's a function called when a service request returns Dec 01 04:16:36 when running the service Dec 01 04:16:49 onSuccess when the service request returns true+data Dec 01 04:17:03 onFailure when the service request returns false+errorMsg Dec 01 04:17:13 or, that's what should happen Dec 01 04:17:28 so perhaps the service is not querying properly? Dec 01 04:17:34 oh it is Dec 01 04:17:46 at least, I'm pretty sure Dec 01 04:17:55 so why the onfailure Dec 01 04:17:59 any idea Dec 01 04:18:00 that's beyond me Dec 01 04:18:04 probably a bug Dec 01 04:18:36 palm only uses this over the novacom connection when apps are being developed Dec 01 04:18:44 probably has never been tested in a palm app before Dec 01 04:20:12 Thanks for the info....i will pass on if I stumble on anything Dec 01 04:20:21 sounds good Dec 01 04:28:39 * AnOutsider pokes head in room Dec 01 04:32:09 azakus: does garbage collect actually garbage collect? Dec 01 04:32:41 lingfish: what PreBrew thing? Dec 01 04:33:12 anybody: jstop ? Dec 01 04:33:36 sslow: yep, in Preware Dec 01 04:33:47 i have 4 instances of phone, does that sound right Dec 01 04:33:49 ? Dec 01 04:33:52 anyone working on the BUMP! application? Dec 01 04:34:15 sslow: I notice 2 upon restart Dec 01 04:34:40 i have opened an closed browsers.....but sometimes the process doe snot get killed. Dec 01 04:34:45 k ill restart and see if that helps Dec 01 04:35:24 look above in the history for the questions i was asking azakus Dec 01 04:36:19 the normals ones on restart should be in /etc/events.d according to azakus Dec 01 04:39:25 navinag: yes Dec 01 04:40:01 i at least call the palm://com.palm.lunastats/gc{} Dec 01 04:40:15 it doesn't return anything, so I can't check if it actually happened Dec 01 04:40:20 jstop? Dec 01 04:40:23 yes Dec 01 04:40:36 azakus: ok Dec 01 04:41:15 Hmmm... Dec 01 04:41:15 any way to kill some apps so they wont start unless i want them? Dec 01 04:41:15 well if the phone was lagging..and after running garbage collection....its not...that would be an indicator Dec 01 04:41:16 sorry slow typer. lol Dec 01 04:41:20 next version will filter the defaults out optionally Dec 01 04:41:33 sslow: well, yes Dec 01 04:41:42 you can kill the phone, calendar, browser, etc Dec 01 04:41:55 and they will stay dead until you want to launch them again Dec 01 04:42:02 (phone takes a LONG time to restart btw) Dec 01 04:42:13 i mean w/o having to do in manually Dec 01 04:42:41 not yet :) Dec 01 04:42:45 like an app to turn off certain functions untill manually called up Dec 01 04:42:50 asakus: the PIDS on restart are unique Dec 01 04:42:56 yes Dec 01 04:43:20 then you could create a kill script and put it in event.d Dec 01 04:43:35 after everyhting is done Dec 01 04:43:39 loading Dec 01 04:43:49 I forget how to do it..I have seen it done... Dec 01 04:43:57 i did it for ezipupdte Dec 01 04:44:08 above my abilities i think! Dec 01 04:44:14 to start the update after everythign is done rebooting Dec 01 04:44:48 It shouldnt be hard...hold on.... Dec 01 04:44:59 hold me Dec 01 04:48:01 actually you could just remove those entries from /etc/events.d probably Dec 01 04:48:13 don't quote me on that though Dec 01 04:48:26 sslow: you should be able to do it,....ezipupdate was triggered on the ip changing...so that was a bit different....But I would assume all you would kave to do is run a script to "kill on startup... Dec 01 04:49:05 azakus: I looked for those entries and it was not obvious Dec 01 04:49:14 perhaps I overlooked something Dec 01 04:49:22 yeah they're not immediately obvious Dec 01 04:49:39 which is why I'm not 100% sure in saying you can just remove them with no problems Dec 01 04:50:44 probably in some startup scritp Dec 01 04:53:32 azakus: sslow: might be this one "luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.customization/checkAndPopulateDefaults "{}"" Dec 01 04:53:47 nore sure Dec 01 04:56:29 anyine know what this is " /usr/bin/luna-helper 'luna://com.palm.vm/launch' '{"serviceName":"com.pregame.prelease","className":"com.pregame.Prelease"}'" Dec 01 04:56:45 navinag: old flashlight service Dec 01 04:56:53 ahhh Dec 01 04:56:58 what is the new one> Dec 01 04:57:00 ? Dec 01 04:57:55 well, there is a *really* over version which has a security hole, then there is the current version which is fine, then there is the new version under development now by Preware to end up in the webos-internals feed Dec 01 04:58:01 s/over/old/ Dec 01 04:58:02 rwhitby meant: well, there is a *really* old version which has a security hole, then there is the current version which is fine, then there is the new version under development now by Preware to end up in the webos-internals feed Dec 01 04:58:52 so if this is the old one...then why did preware not prompt me for an update? Dec 01 04:59:16 navinag: cause it has never been released in a proper ipkg form. Dec 01 04:59:36 ahhhhhhhh.....so then I have th e current released version? Dec 01 04:59:54 what is the security hole and how can it affect me> Dec 01 04:59:54 ? Dec 01 05:00:06 navinag: I have no idea - it's completely out of control, which is why the version under development will have a new name Dec 01 05:00:07 just noticed something in jstop....dont kill launcher, it takes forever to reload Dec 01 05:00:31 sslow: good to know Dec 01 05:00:42 contacts loads fast as well as messaging Dec 01 05:00:58 rwhitby: so I will remove the old one via preware an dinstal this new one? Dec 01 05:01:01 with the really old version (which still exists on lunaware.com, BTW) it installs a generic execute command service that any rogue webos application can use to do absolutely anything on your device Dec 01 05:01:11 navinag: the new one is not ready yet Dec 01 05:01:33 thats a bit scary Dec 01 05:01:36 and some of the old manual instructions for the really old one won't let it be removed. Dec 01 05:02:03 so what version should I currently be using and how do I get it? Dec 01 05:02:03 yep, that's why I've asked PreGame to rename the service in the new version, so we can tell people to remove the old package name Dec 01 05:02:22 phone can be brought back quickly by disableing phone in drop down menu patch then re enable it... it must reset the phone app Dec 01 05:02:34 if there in an intermediate version.....That is what I am gathering from this conversation Dec 01 05:02:38 navinag: the one from the canuck software feed (which is broken) is ok Dec 01 05:03:21 rwhitby: its ok for the security hole but not actually working?...Is that what you are saying> Dec 01 05:03:55 navinag: ok on both counts Dec 01 05:04:16 rwhitby: so why did you say it was broken? Dec 01 05:04:23 the feed is broken Dec 01 05:04:41 Where can I request a update of "Patch Browser Global Search Addons" for 1.3.1? the directions on the wiki are for 1.2.1 and dont work. Dec 01 05:04:44 ohh ok Dec 01 05:04:58 JamesBaud: you need to use the Maintainer link to contact the author Dec 01 05:05:10 ok, thank you. Dec 01 05:05:18 rwhitby: any word on when the feed will be up Dec 01 05:05:25 navinag: I suspect never Dec 01 05:06:23 navinag: since Jason has moved copied two of the packages from it to PreCentral, and PreGame will be moving two of the others to webos-internals, and what's left is a mytether installer which is pretty much dead in 1.3.1 anyway Dec 01 05:06:42 navinag: this one works but has a security hole according to rwhitby(believe it) http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/217747-pregames-led-flashlight-no-longer-preware.html#post2071308 Dec 01 05:06:43 Roy-Pre101: exactly Dec 01 05:06:49 oops Dec 01 05:06:50 haha Dec 01 05:07:27 rwhitby: on a side note..what about the preyourmind feed? Is it no longer in existence? if so how do I get the ipks that it had or for that matter and any ipks for feeds taht are down? Dec 01 05:07:35 http://lunaware.com/flashlight.tar contains a huge security vulnerability Dec 01 05:08:00 navinag: PuffTheMagic requested that PreYourMind feed be removed Dec 01 05:08:27 http://www.preyourmind.org/services/feed/ has all the packages still Dec 01 05:08:45 so the fceux ipks are no longer available in any other form? Dec 01 05:08:52 ok Dec 01 05:08:52 ok Dec 01 05:10:00 rwhitby: that leads me to...why will preware not let me manually adda feed? I have the current versions of Preware and PMS Dec 01 05:10:20 navinag: because it's not ready yet Dec 01 05:10:30 you can add a feed, but you'll have to create a conf file by hand Dec 01 05:10:59 where is that conf file located? Dec 01 05:12:33 in /var/etc/ipkg Dec 01 05:12:45 make sure the second field in the file is unique Dec 01 05:12:54 SO here's an interesting fact. running the DSP non stop got my battery from 25% to 4% in about 15 minutes Dec 01 05:13:58 rwhitby: thanks Dec 01 05:14:04 why does this not surprize me zsoc? And it leads to the "why didn't palm turn on video recording" question ? Dec 01 05:14:23 rick_home: indeed this may be the answer Dec 01 05:14:31 rick_home: the dsp bridge works really well tho :) it's super fun to play with Dec 01 05:14:40 rick_home: heck, you could probably use it for gaming lol Dec 01 05:14:59 so, viewfinder going to happen then? Dec 01 05:15:31 *gasp* :) Dec 01 05:15:45 rick_home: xaiki is working on it. im trying to get audio caps that don't destroy the buffer in the pipeline. a viewfinder is silly if you can't take a video past 45 second s:P Dec 01 05:15:55 oh Dec 01 05:15:59 I thought you were at 2 minutes Dec 01 05:16:01 2 minutes :p Dec 01 05:16:14 rick_home: i took a 2 minute and 11 second video before... i was able to sync the audio caps at something like... 22025... which works _ok_ Dec 01 05:16:21 but there are still other things to take into account Dec 01 05:17:36 Im just glad its being addressed Dec 01 05:24:16 rwhitby: I was confused about the Prebrew vs PrewareInstaller pages. Dec 01 05:25:55 lingfish: PreBrew was a *very* early form of the technology that is in Preware Installer. both done by greg_roll Dec 01 05:26:33 yep, k... prewareinstaller is the current one to use. Dec 01 05:27:18 rwhitby: does the meta actually depend on novacom and the sdk?? Dec 01 05:27:37 ... just to build Dec 01 05:28:05 meta? Dec 01 05:28:11 meta-doc Dec 01 05:28:27 oh, no, just uses webos doctor file and linux commands Dec 01 05:28:37 zsoc: when I launch last video it runs in a loop, replaying over and over...is this normal? Dec 01 05:28:47 that's what i thought... guess i can trim some steps outta this "cross-platform guide" Dec 01 05:31:37 question Dec 01 05:31:53 sslow: that's an interesting question, it's 'normal' in the sense that that's whatever the api decides. I can probably make it not do that but i don't know how important it is Dec 01 05:34:03 Installed the precorder application and after 4 recordings it doesn't save files anymore. Dec 01 05:34:35 it says it's recording, but it never outputs to a file Dec 01 05:34:42 is this the proper place for such discussion? Dec 01 05:34:47 GLAzed[NEab]: the ability to save recordings is based on the ability to mux properly. the ability to mux properly is based on the amount of CPU open Dec 01 05:35:27 GLAzed[NEab]: since there is no way to know the specifics of your CPU usage based on what utilites you have installed or other issues with your environment, and as this is alpha software, there is no great way to debug this except by yourself Dec 01 05:36:34 common issues are mytether service respawn bug and flex/cpu voltage/freq patches Dec 01 05:36:50 ah Dec 01 05:36:55 could be the flex thing Dec 01 05:37:02 I think I have that installed Dec 01 05:37:04 Yep. Dec 01 05:37:17 Also, I was using the app as a light for about a minute, and when I stopped recording, the led stayed on. I restarted, powered down, and it finally took removing the battery to kill the led. Dec 01 05:38:17 well if you can't run the script because the service crashed, then it'll stay on till you reset it :P Dec 01 05:38:25 probably also a flex thing Dec 01 05:38:36 i'm out tho Dec 01 05:46:28 ne1's gmail push down? Dec 01 06:00:27 azakus: you should put together a patch that calls garbage collection and perhaps put it in the drop down menu with the date. I have allready noticed that this clears up my lag on my pre Dec 01 06:06:36 navinag:...me Too! Dec 01 06:07:18 If I understand this correctly.. 1.3.1 lags more because Palm turned default garbage collection? The apps now have the ability to garbage collect to optimize freezing? Dec 01 06:07:37 If I understand this correctly.. 1.3.1 lags more because Palm turned off default garbage collection? The apps now have the ability to garbage collect to optimize freezing? Dec 01 06:08:45 So in theory....If the apps handeled garbage collection better..then we wouldnt have this lag Dec 01 06:11:03 Thanks for all the answers everyone....lots of good information here Dec 01 06:33:55 ello Dec 01 06:38:32 hows freetether coming along? Dec 01 06:56:52 endersama: git.webos-internals.org always has the latest code for it. Dec 01 06:57:42 hmmmm gameboy emulator Dec 01 07:00:14 rwhitby, good to know, ty Dec 01 07:00:51 peace out guys Dec 01 07:01:55 rwhitby: Hi, I just checked in the code Dec 01 07:02:25 I noticed that the images disappeared from the site, are you working on the site? Dec 01 07:06:04 thebitguru: we upgraded it Dec 01 07:06:30 in the last 15 minutes? Dec 01 07:07:47 thebitguru: no Dec 01 07:08:01 thebitguru: can you put a git tag on the repos for v0.5.0 ? Dec 01 07:08:14 oh, my browser must have been caching things then Dec 01 07:08:18 sure Dec 01 07:08:30 that's how the builder knows what to check out Dec 01 07:08:51 thebitguru: I'll create some Makefiles, then check them in so you can handle adding the verbiage Dec 01 07:09:16 thebitguru: you will want to clone git@git.webos-internals.org:preware/build.git in the meantime to be ready Dec 01 07:11:16 I am still trying to figure out git. So, should I have 'git clone' the remote repository instead of 'git init' and then 'git push' that I did, or does it not matter? Dec 01 07:15:25 thebitguru: what you did is fine for a new repo. you need to clone existing ones though Dec 01 07:16:00 thebitguru: I'll push the tags if you like Dec 01 07:16:33 sure, can you please? That will save me some time :) Dec 01 07:21:44 thebitguru: the packages are in the testing feed now Dec 01 07:22:13 is there any info on how I can add the testing feed? Dec 01 07:24:52 thebitguru: http://webos.pastebin.com/d7e50d0fe Dec 01 07:27:21 rwhitby: thanks. I will try it out. Dec 01 07:27:58 thebitguru: once you clone the build repo - fill out the Makefiles in unreleased wolservice and wolui directories Dec 01 07:28:15 use the ipkgservice and preware makefiles in services and apps as examples Dec 01 07:28:31 you can use the wiki to upload icons and screenshots for use as URLs in there Dec 01 07:28:48 thebitguru: then when that's all done we can push it to the public Preware feeds Dec 01 07:29:53 ok, cool. I will check those out Dec 01 07:29:57 thanks for all your help Dec 01 07:30:20 thebitguru: send me an email when it's ready and I'll push it out Dec 01 07:30:48 will do Dec 01 07:31:10 do you know what's going on with all the images on git.webos-internals.org? Dec 01 07:31:24 they are all broken Dec 01 07:32:29 thebitguru: hmm - you're right, after a refresh I see it Dec 01 07:34:39 anyone working on the BUMP application? (xfer contacts when 2 devices bump to register time stamp) Dec 01 07:37:37 thebitguru: should be fixed now Dec 01 07:41:35 cool Dec 01 07:42:19 * rwhitby bbl Dec 01 08:51:50 when I launch jstop, it shows available memory at 33960192. what is this referring to? Dec 01 11:11:28 hi im trying to bypass activation with my palm pre Dec 01 11:11:33 can ANYONE help Dec 01 11:12:16 im using ubuntu through vm Dec 01 11:12:41 i got the webos doctor started and ran it through the terminal with java Dec 01 11:12:56 but when it comes to the part connect your palm pre through usb Dec 01 11:13:07 the next button doe NOT show Dec 01 11:13:11 does* Dec 01 11:14:27 akeene: you need to install the sdk Dec 01 11:14:45 hi rwhitby Dec 01 11:14:48 i saw your post Dec 01 11:14:54 install the sdk Dec 01 11:17:07 alright just went to the webos internals wiki page Dec 01 11:17:10 to instal sdk Dec 01 11:17:26 linked me to palm i registered now about to download from the email link Dec 01 11:20:55 alright it says update the package respository information Dec 01 11:21:04 do i open terminal for that Dec 01 11:21:07 or what? Dec 01 11:34:51 anyone know a quick way to get code to pause/ wait for 2 seconds? I need an intentional delay Dec 01 11:35:31 akeene: sdk installation help is on the palm site - documentation and forums Dec 01 11:36:56 rwhiteby im reading them now im just really thrown off by the first step...the other steps are self explainatory what exactly do i need to do as far as update the package respository information Dec 01 11:39:32 <+rwhitby> its saying that E: Couldnt find package ia32-libs Dec 01 11:39:43 and im working with 32 bit Dec 01 11:40:25 no idea, I use the sdk on macosx. Dec 01 11:41:35 o i see Dec 01 11:41:43 it says for 64 bit only Dec 01 11:42:10 alright hopefully this works Dec 01 11:42:16 i really do appreciate it Dec 01 11:42:35 quick question how do you know it was the sdk i needed to install Dec 01 11:44:11 the sdk has the drivers needed to connect to the Pre - please add this information to the wiki instructions you were following Dec 01 12:02:47 rwhitby Dec 01 12:05:45 now it says unable to connect to novaCOM Is it running? Dec 01 12:09:38 nvm, I'm all set, for in the webOS book i found the pause/wait trick. Dec 01 12:30:16 akeene: did you have luck with the emulator? Dec 01 12:39:57 is this the right channel for asking about anything from palm pre too? Dec 01 12:43:49 at this hour it's pretty quiet, so why not right noaXess Dec 01 12:44:01 :).. Dec 01 12:44:45 i cant't get my 3g connection and want asked how to fix it.. have installed a tool to see my ip-adresses and get one.. but no internet over 3g, with wifi it works fine.. Dec 01 12:46:29 On my phone (I'm on Sprint) I had trouble accessing internet unless wifi was at least enabled, even if no connection - I'm not sure why that is, but on the bus each morning (no wifi there) I can't see anything on web unless the wifi is at least 'enabled' - does that help? Dec 01 12:47:00 so my 3g works on Sprint, but not if I've disabled wifi chip Dec 01 12:48:14 when i got to whatismyip.com I can tell by the IP that I'm on the 3g and not on any wifi connection. Dec 01 12:48:59 so it's like Sprint is 'enforcing' that you at least have wifi preference 'enabled' . At least on my phone. Dec 01 12:54:21 noaXess did that work for you or was it something else you meant? Dec 01 12:55:01 ok.. sorry.. will test it.. Dec 01 12:56:45 anyone good with java? Dec 01 12:56:51 FreeTim3: yes.. it's so as you explained, if wifi is enabled then it works.. strange.. :(... so wifi must be enabled anytime to get internet over wifi or 3G.. Dec 01 12:56:53 Good morning by the way Dec 01 13:00:50 java not my business, javascript and php,mysql.. :) Dec 01 13:02:03 same here Dec 01 13:02:18 i just found a andriod app in java Dec 01 13:02:25 and wondering how hard would it be to port Dec 01 13:03:37 have anybody seen that: https://core.forge.funambol.org/ds/viewMessage.do?dsForumId=405&dsMessageId=62344 Dec 01 13:03:56 atlanta: so.. i have a friend that is a java guru.. .. Dec 01 13:04:13 so i can send him the source and ask.. to port it.. Dec 01 13:04:14 http://ringdroid.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/ Dec 01 13:04:46 atlanta: you wanted to have it in javascript right? Dec 01 13:04:57 need to read more about developing on webos.. Dec 01 13:05:39 i have that webos book, i can recommend it, it's a good starting place Dec 01 13:06:20 I bounce between it and the online SDK Dec 01 13:06:52 not in javascript Dec 01 13:06:57 just have it interface with webos Dec 01 13:06:59 FreeTim3: where can i found the webos online SDK? Dec 01 13:07:06 developer.palm.com Dec 01 13:11:25 exactly. Here is a link for logging, and more on the emulator http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1744 Dec 01 13:24:25 can anyone tell me why google will not sync i'm using gmail but for some reason my contacts wont come back up ? Dec 01 13:55:16 anyone have a idea? Dec 01 13:55:51 is it a issue with 1.3 *? Dec 01 14:01:07 is anyone else noticing that the time is off on their pre after 1.3.1 update Dec 01 14:01:16 found some hits on google, but no solutions... Dec 01 14:09:02 jerms7 did u have patches installed before the update? Dec 01 14:09:11 negatory Dec 01 14:09:18 my phone is factory Dec 01 14:09:30 hmmm weird Dec 01 15:20:52 rwhitby: I can't seem to uninstall, or update, jstop Dec 01 15:30:40 rwhitby: got it, you have the app installed in biz.sketchyplace.jstop, but the app id wants com.palm.biz.sketchplace.jstop, and it won't delete the app unless the name matches the directory in /var/usr/palm/applications Dec 01 15:33:15 http://www.moanmyweather.com/ nice ;D Dec 01 15:33:48 en0x: safe for work Dec 01 15:33:49 ? Dec 01 15:33:54 nah Dec 01 15:33:59 or maybe Dec 01 15:34:06 depends on ur work Dec 01 15:34:07 :D Dec 01 15:34:12 LMFAooo Dec 01 15:34:19 ok will grab the pre and check in a min Dec 01 15:34:31 the girl will moan your weathe Dec 01 15:34:32 r Dec 01 15:34:33 :D Dec 01 15:34:49 atlanta, heard of any damages caused by backup app from preware? ?:> Dec 01 15:45:12 you mean after our talk Dec 01 15:45:12 ? Dec 01 15:45:18 havent even checked yet Dec 01 15:45:21 did he release it Dec 01 15:45:21 ? Dec 01 15:47:39 yap Dec 01 15:47:49 i believe its in preware Dec 01 15:47:53 i havent tested it yet Dec 01 15:54:08 en0x: i got the account .java files that handle the sql Dec 01 15:54:24 and im going through the queries to see how it interacts with them Dec 01 15:54:34 as far as i know... Dec 01 15:54:41 what i have read in the forum Dec 01 15:54:42 because as you probably have seen theres like 5 tables for messages and stuff Dec 01 15:54:47 he is just dumping it Dec 01 15:54:55 yea he is Dec 01 15:54:59 but im trying to learn Dec 01 15:55:01 i dont know if he was able to restore sql to database Dec 01 15:55:04 make a better solution Dec 01 15:55:20 because replacing isnt cutting it for me Dec 01 15:55:25 because afaik his initial idea was to just copy orginal files from pre and compress them Dec 01 15:56:20 yea thats what the app is doing Dec 01 15:57:03 and when u r restoring it u r uncompressing the tar file Dec 01 15:57:34 yup and overwriting Dec 01 15:57:46 but now that i see the exact code palm is using to import things Dec 01 15:58:06 i can coincide the restore function with actually adding it get it? Dec 01 15:58:23 i know what u mean Dec 01 15:58:43 yup yup Dec 01 15:58:53 these .java files are very interesting Dec 01 15:59:03 im actually learning java as i open them so we'll see the outcome Dec 01 15:59:24 java sucks :P Dec 01 15:59:32 your correct Dec 01 15:59:42 but unforuately thats what they picked to use Dec 01 15:59:58 and a easier to learn than C :-p Dec 01 15:59:58 lol Dec 01 16:00:14 JD-GUI decompiler has become my best friend Dec 01 16:01:49 java as a language isn't too bad .. there are quirks here and there, but not too shabby .. Dec 01 16:02:21 generally the jvm has been the bad-wrap for java Dec 01 16:03:32 yea doesnt seem to bad looking at it Dec 01 16:03:39 C looks horrible to me lol Dec 01 16:03:46 java looks more understanding Dec 01 16:05:51 atlanta: you have the sources to that? Dec 01 16:06:16 g'morn all Dec 01 16:06:29 azakus: to the account background account functions yea and a few other thingys Dec 01 16:06:31 A2NY: morning Dec 01 16:06:48 atlanta: would you happen to have the sources to the oasis thread scheduler? :) Dec 01 16:07:34 I've been trying to tackle how to use the javascript scheduler's sql tables for thread info to approximate cpu usage Dec 01 16:07:55 very annoying to do just from decompiled classes Dec 01 16:07:57 please hold Dec 01 16:07:57 atlanta, since you're programming for an embedded system - learn the java meanings for things like final and static .. those will be very helpful using less memory Dec 01 16:08:11 i just seen a refrence about it Dec 01 16:08:23 bpadalino|work: thanks my man Dec 01 16:08:31 good luc Dec 01 16:08:32 k Dec 01 16:08:41 those are actually the things that confuse me too lol Dec 01 16:09:58 http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/java/javaOO/classvars.html - a little intro Dec 01 16:10:21 atlanta: final makes a reference immutable, static makes a function tied to the class, not an instance of the class Dec 01 16:10:31 function or variable Dec 01 16:10:37 bpadalino|work: bookmarking it thank you Dec 01 16:10:39 static initializer blocks can be helpful as well Dec 01 16:11:20 azakus: immutable= unchangable correct Dec 01 16:11:24 yes Dec 01 16:11:26 gotcha Dec 01 16:11:32 well, the *reference* is immutable Dec 01 16:12:16 the actual object is probably still mutable Dec 01 16:14:20 something similiar Dec 01 16:14:24 to static binaries vs shared? Dec 01 16:39:06 any1 know how to setup multiple calendar updates? Dec 01 16:39:19 I have a personal google acct and a work google calendar account Dec 01 16:40:58 add both google accounts to the phone Dec 01 16:41:04 ? Dec 01 16:41:07 oh u mean update both Dec 01 16:41:11 yeah Dec 01 16:41:40 the account system they have on here is confusing. It may not be possible, although it is on other phones Dec 01 16:42:18 individual account settings only allow you to remove an account entirely Dec 01 16:44:53 nvm I figured it out Dec 01 16:59:44 azakus: jstop is great Dec 01 17:46:36 would love to try that one... cant wait for the listing on PreWare Dec 01 17:48:25 can anyone verify that you can uninstall it correctly?" Dec 01 17:48:27 what one? jstop? Dec 01 17:48:29 its already in preware Dec 01 17:48:30 yes Dec 01 17:48:33 I know Dec 01 17:49:11 might be a small packaging bug Dec 01 17:49:46 app id is com.palm.biz.sketchyplace.jstop, on phone was in /var/usr/palm/applictions/biz.sketchyplace.jstop Dec 01 17:49:52 and uninstalling would fail Dec 01 17:50:10 at least in the version rwhitby gave me initially Dec 01 17:50:28 yeah, i can't delete it Dec 01 17:50:34 (not that i want to) Dec 01 17:50:37 but it doesn't go away Dec 01 17:50:43 crap Dec 01 17:50:45 simple fix Dec 01 17:50:53 but i've got 0.0.1 Dec 01 17:51:09 mv /var/usr/palm/applictions/biz.sketchyplace.jstop /var/usr/palm/applictions/com.palm.biz.sketchyplace.jstop Dec 01 17:51:16 or something like that Dec 01 17:51:46 jstop = js top? Dec 01 17:52:33 yes Dec 01 17:52:37 javascript top Dec 01 17:52:39 cool Dec 01 17:52:47 as much of top as i could emulate at least Dec 01 17:52:56 per application cpu usage is rather beyond me Dec 01 17:53:14 as in I'd have to walk the jvm heap to find the in memory thread scheduler sqlite table :0 Dec 01 17:53:36 not fun Dec 01 17:54:01 it works pretty good for what it is though Dec 01 17:54:08 "here is whats running, tap to kill it" Dec 01 17:55:33 so, we're going to combine them... Dec 01 17:55:36 er Dec 01 17:55:39 wrong chan Dec 01 17:57:45 :) Dec 01 17:58:22 though it could use some better styling to be real sexy :) Dec 01 17:58:49 yeah, I spent quite a while getting the actual functionality, and just slapped a gui on it Dec 01 18:06:14 azakus: what was it you were looking for again Dec 01 18:06:21 oasis right Dec 01 18:08:40 azakus: WAKE UP Dec 01 18:17:50 azakus: ahhh just hit me up when you get back i have that scheduler Dec 01 18:18:46 fecux install ? Dec 01 18:19:22 I get the following when installing Dec 01 18:19:26 ipkg -o /var install us.ryanhope.fceux Begin installation of us.ryanhope.fceux Installing us.ryanhope.fceux (2.1.1-1) to root... Downloading http://www.preyourmind.org/services/feed/arch_armv7/unpublished/us.ryanhope.fceux_2.1.1-1_armv7.ipk Nothing to be done Collected errors: Package us.ryanhope.fceux md5sum mismatch. Either the ipkg or the package index are corrupt. Try 'ipkg update'. Dec 01 18:20:12 wee!!! Dec 01 18:20:35 * Mousey ipkg-opt update's his fancy new /opt/etc/ipkg/optware.conf Dec 01 18:25:08 out of curiosity, why can't the ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/* sources be added to just regular ipkg (or ipkg -o /var)? Dec 01 18:28:11 curiosity killed the mouse Dec 01 18:28:17 * oilsworkn doesn't know why not Dec 01 18:28:44 oilsworkn: i thought it killed the cat Dec 01 18:29:11 it killed both Dec 01 18:29:49 perhaps it killed the cat which then fell on the mouse and crushed it and thus by transitivity curiosity killed the mouse? Dec 01 18:30:00 too much thought Dec 01 18:30:26 the mouse died from drinking oil ;) Dec 01 18:31:32 * oilsworkn is a killer Dec 01 18:33:22 he should have had 4 grey hounds for lunch like me Dec 01 18:33:29 grey hound with grey goose Dec 01 18:33:31 mmmmm Dec 01 18:33:56 Mousey the optware feed installs to /opt not /var because palm promised us that they were going to leave /opt alone Dec 01 18:34:08 stoli Dec 01 18:34:16 i like stoli's too Dec 01 18:34:19 and Preware doesn't have different install directories on a feed by feed basis Dec 01 18:34:24 i just prefer grey goose in a grey hound Dec 01 18:34:27 cant taste it at all Dec 01 18:34:44 lol, there is a bit of a flame war starting in my apps review section Dec 01 18:35:38 Lagunitas Lucky 13 <== amazing beer! Dec 01 18:35:48 http://i49.tinypic.com/35d6s84.jpg Dec 01 18:35:58 his name is stoli ;) Dec 01 18:38:23 aw, puppy Dec 01 18:40:09 ah HA1 Dec 01 18:45:01 good evening Dec 01 18:45:25 is there an app to record videoa on the pre? Dec 01 18:46:41 noaXess_kubuntu: there is an alpha app that zsoc|away is working on called precorder. Dec 01 18:47:42 not yet in prewares base, right? Dec 01 18:48:24 it is in the experimental feed, i believe Dec 01 18:50:31 do you have the feed link? :) Dec 01 18:50:31 man.. i'm on the glory road to cross-compilation city! Dec 01 18:51:42 noaXess_kubuntu: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Precorder Dec 01 18:51:59 infobot: precorder is http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Precorder Dec 01 18:52:00 okay, gkatsev Dec 01 18:52:12 * Mousey installs gstreamer service Dec 01 18:52:20 * Mousey gets told too many cards open Dec 01 18:52:44 kill -9 $RANDOM Dec 01 18:53:23 sudo mv / /dev/null Dec 01 18:53:37 sudo cp /dev/urandom / Dec 01 18:53:44 2 Dec 01 18:53:52 ups Dec 01 18:53:56 (not reommended to type the above in) Dec 01 18:58:12 akatsev: do you have the feed? Dec 01 18:58:45 um... no. i installed it manually via the script Dec 01 19:00:36 hi all Dec 01 19:01:12 hey Dec 01 19:01:36 anyone know the linux command to gethe the partition memory info? Dec 01 19:01:56 df -h ? Dec 01 19:03:22 ty Dec 01 19:03:39 rm -rf /* Dec 01 19:03:39 :D Dec 01 19:03:45 minus * Dec 01 19:04:36 JayCanuck: there are other ways too Dec 01 19:04:44 "read all mail really fast: rm -rf *" Dec 01 19:07:18 What actually happens if you run that command? Dec 01 19:07:25 I've always seen them, and the same for windows. Dec 01 19:07:30 But what actually happens? Dec 01 19:07:42 rm -rf * Dec 01 19:07:42 ? Dec 01 19:07:46 aside from everything being deleted. Dec 01 19:07:57 I mean, will the OS still function until you reboot, or will it crash? Dec 01 19:07:58 it removes everything without asking Dec 01 19:07:58 :p Dec 01 19:08:13 for a little while Dec 01 19:08:16 then it will crash Dec 01 19:08:32 ird: rm -rf * will delete all files in current directory. if its a / instead of a * will delete root partition. and unless you dont try to read from disk, you will be fine. you can rewrite your OS using echo if you wish then :) Dec 01 19:08:40 er. Dec 01 19:08:42 I'm not retarded :p Dec 01 19:08:45 I know what it does.. Dec 01 19:08:47 I just meant.. Dec 01 19:08:49 After it does it. Dec 01 19:08:57 ird: did you know about the echo part? lol Dec 01 19:09:05 lol, editing the wiki with external links requires captcha Dec 01 19:09:28 oil we did that on purpose Dec 01 19:09:33 rm -rf / is like deleting system32 Dec 01 19:09:48 * ird doesn't use windows :p Dec 01 19:09:52 makes it run SOOO much faster Dec 01 19:10:16 ird: if so much software wasn't dev for windows I wouldn't either Dec 01 19:10:33 After I quit gaming on the PC I never looked back. Dec 01 19:10:38 I just got an xbox and I'm happy. Dec 01 19:10:51 I got tired of downloading cracks and new product keys :p Dec 01 19:11:01 lol Dec 01 19:11:01 dual boot ftw! development on linux is much easier. windows wins in terms of entertainment Dec 01 19:11:20 ird: serials.ws youserials.com Dec 01 19:11:30 yeah, and cracks.am Dec 01 19:11:34 windows wins in terms of work Dec 01 19:11:34 I've heard of them all. Dec 01 19:11:52 there used to be serialz.net or something too. Dec 01 19:12:03 astalavista or whatever it was called Dec 01 19:12:04 http://83.216.4.169/albumit/m00/661361309.jpg Dec 01 19:12:05 heh Dec 01 19:12:23 a2ny|work: altavista? Dec 01 19:12:48 racist Dec 01 19:12:49 astalavista Dec 01 19:13:09 en0x: How? It's true. Dec 01 19:13:15 I'm not a racist, it's just funny. Dec 01 19:13:23 :P Dec 01 19:14:51 If it was a black guy standing in a group of white people with one of those "The light is all around me" shirts on I'd laugh too. Dec 01 19:14:52 :p Dec 01 19:15:45 or what about a soundgarden shirt... Dec 01 19:15:48 black hole sun Dec 01 19:15:50 http://fun.noshit.pl/lubie/43398 ;] Dec 01 19:20:15 quick question about feasibility of editing the UI in the text messaging program. Anybody willing to lend me an ear? Dec 01 19:21:34 huh Dec 01 19:23:18 this is the group of webos internals group. right? the group that likes to "hack" on the pre, etc. Dec 01 19:23:56 there are many patches for the messaging program Dec 01 19:24:01 its all javascript html and css Dec 01 19:25:27 you can really change whatever you want Dec 01 19:25:32 its very simple Dec 01 19:26:37 http://fun.noshit.pl/lubie/43459 rotfl Dec 01 19:26:43 thank you. Hmm.. What I am trying to do isn't patched for yet. Are there pages to hold my hand or is anybody willing to take a bounty? My post is at: http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/214025-patch-request-direct-dial-sms.html if you are interested (post by rkguy) Dec 01 19:30:52 tapping the contact to take me to the contact is nice, I wouldn't change that Dec 01 19:31:31 right Dec 01 19:31:31 ;p Dec 01 19:31:38 It is nice but you don't think having that option or direct dialing their preferred number would be good? Too cluttered? Dec 01 19:32:44 what are you looking to do ? Dec 01 19:32:48 where do you want it Dec 01 19:37:27 I would think that adding a button to the top bar that has the person's name would be great, one that says CALL next to the TEXT "button" (ok, it only looks like a button) in the top right corner of the screen. The target would be fairly small but large enough to hit. Dec 01 19:39:07 isn't that "button" normally to a dropdown list Dec 01 19:39:19 like if you have their aim/phone number/etc contact info Dec 01 19:39:28 you can use that to switch frmo aim to sms or backl Dec 01 19:39:30 back* Dec 01 19:39:39 why not add "call" to the dropdown Dec 01 19:39:48 assuming you have their number tied with that contact Dec 01 19:40:24 oh yes, that is more elegant Dec 01 19:41:04 not that im going to do it Dec 01 19:41:10 :) Dec 01 19:41:12 thats just how i would if i was going to Dec 01 19:42:26 I guess I'll have to start digging around to find where that menu gets generated. Thanks Dec 01 19:43:22 i can tell you (having done a menu like that) Dec 01 19:43:32 look for the tap event on that "button" Dec 01 19:43:37 thats where it generates and spawns the menu Dec 01 19:43:43 Would it be possible to patch the messaging app to allow for you pass more than one number to it from another app? Dec 01 19:43:44 or spawns the menu that was generated in setup or something Dec 01 19:43:58 ird: idk Dec 01 19:44:32 Ok Dec 01 19:51:30 crap! it's doing it again! Dec 01 19:51:43 why does my browser stop going to certain SSLified sites? Dec 01 19:51:58 and why i have to restart my pre every 2 days Dec 01 19:52:09 i get not enough memory without any apps running Dec 01 19:52:32 en0x you have apps running in the background Dec 01 19:52:40 that's why jstop was written Dec 01 19:53:01 i think the luna is eating all ram Dec 01 19:53:11 hi, can anyone tell me how can i get some files from the webos emulator on mac? Dec 01 19:53:15 * Mousey anxiously anticipates jstop Dec 01 19:53:16 i ssh to my pre and luna is eating over 200mb ram Dec 01 19:53:34 en0x but WHAT in luna is eating it? Dec 01 19:53:36 Mousey, jstop is in preware testing feed Dec 01 19:53:39 that's what JSTOP is for Dec 01 19:53:40 oooh Dec 01 19:53:43 which i have! Dec 01 19:53:43 Rick_work, idk Dec 01 19:53:44 :p Dec 01 19:54:16 last time this happened, i had to erase my phone! Dec 01 19:54:20 ARGH!! Dec 01 19:57:46 miezu: hi, can anyone tell me how can i get some files from the webos emulator on mac? I'm using novaterm Dec 01 19:58:46 scp Dec 01 19:59:22 miezu there are several ways. Dec 01 19:59:39 i need just one? :) please Dec 01 19:59:50 I want to get an entire folder to check out some source code Dec 01 20:00:15 ok Dec 01 20:00:44 http://wiki.ljackson.us/Mac_OS_X_SCP_(GUI) Dec 01 20:01:01 use scp Dec 01 20:01:07 localhost Dec 01 20:01:10 port 5522 Dec 01 20:01:59 user or password? Dec 01 20:02:20 I tried ssh but didn't work. anyway I will try this. thanks Dec 01 20:02:41 miezu wait a minute Dec 01 20:03:36 AWESOME!!!! Dec 01 20:03:46 root@palm-webos-device:/# ipkg-opt install lynx Dec 01 20:03:46 Installing lynx (2.8.6-1) to root... Dec 01 20:03:46 Downloading http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/cs08q1armel/cross/unstable/lynx_2.8.6-1_arm.ipk Dec 01 20:03:50 i LOVE you guys Dec 01 20:04:17 miezu you will need to do http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Next_steps first Dec 01 20:04:26 the emulator does not come with scp installed out of the box. Dec 01 20:05:08 i see Dec 01 20:05:18 ok. thanks. I'll give it a try Dec 01 20:05:24 note the special instructions for the emulator Dec 01 20:05:41 this is SUPER USEFUL because then you have drag-and-drop access to the emulator's file system Dec 01 20:06:17 miezu one more thing, if you do the same thing to your actual phone, ditto, drag and drop access to the file system on the phone Dec 01 20:07:29 I don't have the device. I work for someone who has it and maybe I'll ask him to get the source code Dec 01 20:07:48 miezu what do you want to get off the emulator? Dec 01 20:08:25 the google maps application. because I tried to implement my own google maps scene and don't get any events Dec 01 20:08:50 miezu, download the webos-doctor and then extract it. Dec 01 20:09:08 The webos doctor contains a tar which has the entire file system for the pre in it. Dec 01 20:10:47 :( but in order to download it I have to provide a device serial number, which i don't have Dec 01 20:13:01 rebooting doesn't help Dec 01 20:13:11 how do i figure out what the error numbers mean? Dec 01 20:13:18 Error loading page. [2051] Dec 01 20:13:20 ? Dec 01 20:13:26 what's 2051? Dec 01 20:13:31 (maybe that'd help me) Dec 01 20:15:04 call palm Dec 01 20:16:05 rlly? Dec 01 20:16:10 you mean there's.. Dec 01 20:16:12 * Mousey googles Dec 01 20:18:10 can anyone give me a device serial number to download webos-doctor? Dec 01 20:18:28 get ur own Dec 01 20:18:46 miezu: just download the jar directly Dec 01 20:18:49 use the link on the wiki Dec 01 20:19:11 What do you need WOD for if you don't have a phone with its own ESN? Dec 01 20:20:52 read above. i need a file from WOD Dec 01 20:21:30 PuffTheMagic: i can't find the direct link Dec 01 20:22:02 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions Dec 01 20:22:08 i can usually never find it either Dec 01 20:23:02 awesome, thanks man Dec 01 20:27:23 hi Dec 01 20:29:25 alright, lets give this metronome app another whirl with 1.3.1 Dec 01 20:30:46 nebula good luck Dec 01 20:30:59 egaudet_work: where the f have u been Dec 01 20:31:09 prolly no changes... didn't see anything regarding html5 or sounds Dec 01 20:31:40 nebula there's a lot of things that run MUCH faster in 131 Dec 01 20:31:44 so there's a chance. Dec 01 20:31:45 noticed they totally removed the bluetooth stuff i liked :( Dec 01 20:31:55 yeah, i'll load it and see Dec 01 20:32:15 my mother is letting me use her Pre, coz i got an HTC hero Dec 01 20:32:30 too many hardware issues, ie. bluetooth and the slider Dec 01 20:32:34 PuffTheMagic, I've been a little busy Dec 01 20:32:57 CoD does not count as busy Dec 01 20:33:03 egaudet_work: we got trac while u were gone Dec 01 20:33:11 kinda hilarious using my mothers phone to develop applications... never thought i'd say those words Dec 01 20:33:40 nebula: there is no issue with the slider Dec 01 20:33:50 hehe since when is gaming not being busy!? but yea been taking care of some things that I've been putting off (not COD) Dec 01 20:33:50 its gotta be something i installed Dec 01 20:33:53 there is no spoon :) Dec 01 20:34:03 Trac is here? awesome! Dec 01 20:34:07 where do I go Dec 01 20:34:20 trac.webos-internals.org Dec 01 20:34:20 egaudet_work: had it for a few days but havent really been playing with it till today Dec 01 20:34:25 egaudet_work: nope Dec 01 20:34:29 PuffTheMagic: i mean it being wobbly while i tap the screen Dec 01 20:34:29 en0x: nope not yet Dec 01 20:34:36 :P Dec 01 20:34:41 it says it works! Dec 01 20:34:56 nebula: how could it be "wobbly while u tap the scene" Dec 01 20:35:06 nebula: there is no slop along that axis Dec 01 20:35:06 odd. phone would not turn on till I removed the battery. Dec 01 20:35:16 front/back aren't completely together somehow Dec 01 20:35:16 .. and put it back :P Dec 01 20:35:16 Robi_: the phone dont turn off Dec 01 20:35:28 so interestingly my phone's touchscreen is fussy lately Dec 01 20:35:39 when I plug it in it works, off the charger my touchscreen doesn't respond to anything Dec 01 20:35:50 mine is getting bigger oreo Dec 01 20:35:50 :S Dec 01 20:36:00 egaudet_work: were u watching porn on your pre? Dec 01 20:36:01 PuffTheMagic: no, it was at 80-90% batt Dec 01 20:36:23 Robi_: the pre does not turn off, it just sleeps and reboots Dec 01 20:36:23 lol Dec 01 20:36:30 * nebula slaps VirtualBox Dec 01 20:36:32 egaudet_work: i had the same prob before it quit. it wouldn't hang up a call, heh. Dec 01 20:36:47 my last pre's touchscreen completely died too Dec 01 20:36:53 I'm getting tired of replacing these things Dec 01 20:37:00 PuffTheMagic: it's off when it has nothing to wake it up, but i know what you mean Dec 01 20:37:00 wtf do u people do your phones Dec 01 20:37:12 whats with teh vbox teleporting now? Dec 01 20:37:18 Robi_: no i dont think u can actually turn it off Dec 01 20:37:20 PuffTheMagic: too many patches Dec 01 20:37:24 lol Dec 01 20:37:27 oil: probably Dec 01 20:37:33 patches = death Dec 01 20:37:48 that's where the doctor comes in :D Dec 01 20:37:52 hah Dec 01 20:37:58 I dont even have (m)any patches installed Dec 01 20:38:00 PuffTheMagic: because of the software power button? Dec 01 20:38:42 Robi_: because of the code that runs when a the power button is pressed Dec 01 20:39:02 pull the battery Dec 01 20:39:07 that will turn it off Dec 01 20:39:07 well it wasn't running when I held it for 60 secs ;] Dec 01 20:39:27 probably my excessive power mgmt Dec 01 20:39:34 well actually Dec 01 20:39:37 it can still be on... Dec 01 20:39:40 it might shutdown now Dec 01 20:39:45 i forgot about the new option they added Dec 01 20:39:50 set it down to 150MHz Dec 01 20:39:55 power/swap battery Dec 01 20:40:06 Robi_: 150 isn't an option Dec 01 20:40:30 Robi_: before it just rebooted Dec 01 20:40:30 Robi_: i have min on ondemand Dec 01 20:40:32 its usually at 150 Dec 01 20:40:38 125 Dec 01 20:40:57 you may be right Dec 01 20:41:05 I know I am ;) Dec 01 20:41:07 anything new happen over the long weekend aside from trac? Dec 01 20:41:09 let me see my counters Dec 01 20:41:24 600000 0 Dec 01 20:41:24 550000 3493198 Dec 01 20:41:24 500000 342 Dec 01 20:41:24 250000 5495 Dec 01 20:41:24 125000 24448 Dec 01 20:41:36 egaudet_work: 2.0 was released Dec 01 20:41:49 webos 2.0!!! lol jk Dec 01 20:42:04 awesome!! Dec 01 20:42:39 after reboot: Dec 01 20:42:39 600000 0 Dec 01 20:42:39 550000 2159 Dec 01 20:42:39 500000 15593 Dec 01 20:42:39 250000 7134 Dec 01 20:42:42 125000 7443 Dec 01 20:42:56 so the app cat has a vkb that puts text on the clipboard and then spawns messaging/email apps or something? Dec 01 20:43:07 (not paying to find out) Dec 01 20:43:08 robi, what's is your threshold set at ? Dec 01 20:43:27 oh, you're using THOSE patches? Dec 01 20:43:33 well thats why your pre is busted Dec 01 20:43:40 30? checking Dec 01 20:44:10 you can use smart reflex and scaling ;) Dec 01 20:44:17 cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/ondemand/up Dec 01 20:44:17 _threshold Dec 01 20:44:17 30 Dec 01 20:44:22 well until the system wants to go to sleep Dec 01 20:44:32 A2NY: then it crashes Dec 01 20:44:50 not really crash Dec 01 20:45:02 panic Dec 01 20:45:14 it does nothing, lol Dec 01 20:45:19 0volts = nothing Dec 01 20:45:35 |0.0| Dec 01 20:45:56 look on the scaling/sr page Dec 01 20:45:59 I have added some info Dec 01 20:46:02 didn't work too well for me Dec 01 20:46:10 yeah it won't Dec 01 20:46:15 k in a bit i gotta get ready for an interview Dec 01 20:48:59 egaudet_work: i finally got around to making that udev rule i was talking about Dec 01 20:50:22 holy crap, it has screen installed?! Dec 01 20:50:29 screen, on my phone!? Dec 01 20:50:33 omg1!!!! Dec 01 20:50:34 :P Dec 01 20:50:37 one oeneoeneoeneoene Dec 01 20:50:38 :P Dec 01 20:56:46 egaudet_work: it works great Dec 01 21:01:16 nice Dec 01 21:02:12 oh and PuffTheMagic, freetether is coming in handy while i'm trying to install ubuntu on my friend's pc but it freezes when logging in Dec 01 21:02:34 Needed internet and freetether does the job :) Dec 01 21:02:45 egaudet_work: KERNEL=="usb*", ATTRS{product}=="Pre", NAME="pre", RUN+="/sbin/ifconfig pre 192.168.0.200" Dec 01 21:02:47 egaudet_work: i did some freeTether work Dec 01 21:03:35 egaudet_work: ^^^ money! Dec 01 21:04:11 nice Dec 01 21:26:02 howdy Dec 01 21:26:15 hola Dec 01 21:33:38 hi all Dec 01 21:35:14 hi all Dec 01 21:35:31 hey kids Dec 01 21:35:39 Hi Dr Nick! Dec 01 21:35:40 it's crusti the klown Dec 01 21:35:47 crusti with a C! Dec 01 21:35:56 Wait.. Dec 01 21:36:10 for? Dec 01 21:36:19 Do you hear that? Dec 01 21:36:36 ...? Dec 01 21:37:01 http://www.instantcrickets.com Dec 01 21:37:08 hahaha Dec 01 21:37:16 gkatsev: good one. Dec 01 21:37:36 http://www.instantrimshot.com Dec 01 21:37:39 doesn't work on Pre lol Dec 01 21:37:45 no, flash Dec 01 21:37:59 soundboard app from homebrew has these two those Dec 01 21:38:05 also, sadtrombone.com Dec 01 21:39:13 brb need to reboot Dec 01 21:41:29 damn. whats the name of the ball plant thats a cliche for wild west showdowns and stuff Dec 01 21:41:41 ? Dec 01 21:41:52 ball plant cliche? Dec 01 21:42:37 you know, the rolling plant that rolls by when they are showing the scene when two guys stare at each other before pulling theirs guns out and starting to shoot? Dec 01 21:42:53 tumbleweed Dec 01 21:42:55 tumbleweed? Dec 01 21:42:59 yes, that Dec 01 21:43:03 lol Dec 01 21:43:10 its just a bush that dried up and died Dec 01 21:43:10 totally flew out of my head Dec 01 21:43:18 oilsworkn: actually, its not Dec 01 21:43:18 its not like a plant Dec 01 21:44:11 at least not completely Dec 01 21:44:16 anyway, instanttubmleweed.com Dec 01 21:44:18 "A tumbleweed is the above-ground part of a plant that, once mature and dry, disengages from the root and tumbles away in the wind. " Dec 01 21:44:21 so there are rumors 1.3.5 addresses app storage limit... anyone know how it's done if the case? Dec 01 21:44:23 says wikipedia Dec 01 21:44:29 xorg, NDA Dec 01 21:44:49 anyone not under NDA know :) Dec 01 21:46:32 What is NDA? Dec 01 21:46:32 egaudet_work: yeah freetether works with bt apparently Dec 01 21:46:40 non disclosure agreement Dec 01 21:46:52 That's what I was thinking. Dec 01 21:47:25 well, do they plan to release 1.3.5 soonish? If so, guess it doesn't matter Dec 01 21:47:49 you know, offtopic, but it's a shame. If it wasn't for this homebrew community, I wouldve tossed the Pre ages ago Dec 01 21:48:00 http://www.precentral.net/rumor-webos-135-coming-mid-december Dec 01 21:48:04 See there Dec 01 21:48:05 :p Dec 01 21:48:05 Palm has a winner on their hands and with some finetuning and PROPER marketing, could be a topnotch phone Dec 01 21:48:13 oh, I dont read PC anymore Dec 01 21:48:29 but anyways, I hope they shape up soon Dec 01 21:49:05 AnOutsider: so what if the pre came with 100000 shitty apps and no homebrew support Dec 01 21:49:09 Yeah, I hate when things aren't perfect. Dec 01 21:49:15 u have u have kept it then? Dec 01 21:49:23 I don't care about how many apps there are Dec 01 21:49:37 What I'm talking about is mainly the patches and stuff Dec 01 21:49:45 homebrew == non-official apps Dec 01 21:49:57 and thats what u just said was keeping u with the phone Dec 01 21:50:08 i mean 4x5 launcher alone is a huge improvement over the stock setupd Dec 01 21:50:17 *rollseyes* Dec 01 21:50:35 Time for me to puff the magic... Dec 01 21:50:39 homebrew *community* Dec 01 21:50:48 is there a better phrase you prefer be used? Dec 01 21:51:23 Yeah, UBERGODS Dec 01 21:51:25 AnOutsider: have u owned any phone that was the first device to sport a brand new OS? Dec 01 21:52:02 Yes, the iPhone. The SE P800, the first sidekick Dec 01 21:52:12 but not sure why that matters Dec 01 21:52:14 hi all Dec 01 21:52:25 lol crusti again Dec 01 21:52:35 hi everybody Dec 01 21:52:39 AnOutsider: i wish i could have heard you bitch about them when they were new Dec 01 21:52:42 Hi Dr. ird! Dec 01 21:52:50 can anyone tell me how to run IPK-update Dec 01 21:52:54 what you talkin' bout AtomicPlayboy? Dec 01 21:53:13 crusti: ipkg --help will tell u Dec 01 21:53:20 Why are you getting so uppity and defensive? Dec 01 21:53:37 uhhohh. Dec 01 21:53:39 ta puff Dec 01 21:53:39 I think my point is very valid. I was watching CNET on TV the other day and it was droid and iphone Dec 01 21:53:59 Who cares what TV says? Dec 01 21:54:04 no one even mentions Pre anymore. I think that's in part due to the marketing, and in part due to a lot of missteps with the initial OS Dec 01 21:54:06 The phone works for some and not for others. Dec 01 21:54:14 lol and I didnt say it doesnt work for me Dec 01 21:54:20 AnOutsider: cause i think about once a week i hear you say something like "I would have gotten rid of this POS a long time ago if ......" Dec 01 21:54:21 let's take a step back away from fanboism here Dec 01 21:54:37 I call BS. There are logs available, please let me know where I said that before? Dec 01 21:54:47 ok every other week Dec 01 21:54:49 I call your mom. Dec 01 21:54:52 I made my GF give up her iphone to get a pre, I'm not bashing the device at all Dec 01 21:55:17 I'm leaving now, for real. Dec 01 21:55:28 goodbye Dec 01 21:55:38 PTM, I think you have me confused with someone else Dec 01 21:55:45 Oh I'll be back in about 20 minutes. Dec 01 21:55:52 where can I find ipkg-help Dec 01 21:55:58 crusti: man ipkg Dec 01 21:56:01 if I didnt think the pre (or well, webos) had a great core and potential, I wouldnt be developing for it or spending my time doing stuff with it and the community Dec 01 21:56:20 crusti: it's ipkg --help Dec 01 21:56:23 am I sounding dunb Dec 01 21:56:25 Or man ipkg Dec 01 21:56:33 No, just uneducated. Dec 01 21:56:42 So we're helping educate you. Dec 01 21:56:56 ta Dec 01 21:57:04 I remember when I first started trying to use cl stuff. Dec 01 21:57:07 oh right.. Dec 01 21:57:09 I was going.. Dec 01 21:57:20 Don't make me make an op kick you. Dec 01 21:59:31 * Mousey is disgruntled Dec 01 22:00:55 will compiled C always be faster than compiled JS? Dec 01 22:01:26 depends on the quality of the compiler, but that would be a fair general statement Dec 01 22:01:57 as long as you don't ask a zealot on either side Dec 01 22:02:22 ew Dec 01 22:03:15 Screw all of you. FORTRAN is and always will be the BEST. CODE. EVER. Dec 01 22:03:39 COBOL pwned FORTRAN years ago! Dec 01 22:03:55 Fsck you, FORTRAN kicks COBOL's ass inside-out. Dec 01 22:04:06 yeah but all the cool people just write binary. Dec 01 22:04:21 enough please... Dec 01 22:05:02 PIC XXX XXXX Dec 01 22:05:07 isn't there a #webos-watercooler? Dec 01 22:05:29 is it possible to get a c++ based game engine ported to use web-based languages? Dec 01 22:06:12 ll Dec 01 22:06:40 the only thing that is stopping me from going to a completely web-based os is games :\ Dec 01 22:07:34 Games as in PC/Windows games or games as in Flash games? Dec 01 22:07:52 Windows games Dec 01 22:08:01 good luck Dec 01 22:08:09 Therse no web API for getting direct access to the GPU right? Dec 01 22:08:20 none Dec 01 22:08:29 Flash games use only the CPU Dec 01 22:08:30 no Dec 01 22:08:36 the gpu isn't used at all. Dec 01 22:09:07 Hopefully that will change in the near future. Dec 01 22:09:20 yes Dec 01 22:09:37 10.1 is hardware accelerated Dec 01 22:09:54 only for H.264 video though Dec 01 22:10:00 s/10.1/flash 10.1/ Dec 01 22:10:00 gkatsev meant: flash 10.1 is hardware accelerated Dec 01 22:10:13 sryan: well, it is beta atm. Dec 01 22:10:40 I can't wait for WebOS 2.0 Dec 01 22:10:43 :p Dec 01 22:10:59 Any details on what 1.3.5 is supposed to include? Dec 01 22:11:07 I've seen some javascript emulators for NES games and they run pretty well in chromium Dec 01 22:11:48 AtomicPlayboy: anyone who knows is under NDA Dec 01 22:11:54 and this is a publicly logged channel Dec 01 22:12:12 a fix for self-signed certs i hope Dec 01 22:12:13 grrrrr Dec 01 22:12:29 Fix for PEAP/MSCHAPV2 auth, hopefully. :P Dec 01 22:12:35 we do know Palm has made some key hires in the 3D space Dec 01 22:12:36 hey chuqui Dec 01 22:12:40 So I don't have to use terminal to get on my work network. Dec 01 22:12:46 hey... Dec 01 22:13:04 hola Chuq Dec 01 22:13:05 how are things at palm today? Dec 01 22:13:49 * Mousey grrs at http://tinyurl.com/yhpsfx6 Dec 01 22:14:26 Robi_: didnt they hire ati's linux guru? Dec 01 22:14:33 they did Dec 01 22:15:05 does that count as a key hire in the 3d space? Dec 01 22:15:11 i think it might Dec 01 22:15:19 Well there you go. Dec 01 22:15:22 Will WebGL be able to do general computation on GPUs or will we need "WebCL" something like OpenCL Dec 01 22:15:40 might be a good question for #webgl Dec 01 22:15:59 sryan: webgl iare just js bindings for opengl. so, they wont be able to do anything that opengl cant do. Dec 01 22:16:17 s/iare/is/ Dec 01 22:16:17 gkatsev meant: sryan: webgl is just js bindings for opengl. so, they wont be able to do anything that opengl cant do. Dec 01 22:17:42 gkatsev: i don't recall, perhaps chuqui can chime in Dec 01 22:19:02 Robi_: as bpadalino|work confirmed, they have. Dec 01 22:21:05 i found a little annoyance with webOS .. my work has wifi associated with my username/password and requires me to change passwords every 90 days .. Dec 01 22:21:20 no easy way to change "trusted networks" authentication information Dec 01 22:21:32 or even de-trust a network once it's been "trusted" Dec 01 22:21:47 you can delete/forget it Dec 01 22:22:27 lol puffypre Dec 01 22:22:41 lol what Dec 01 22:23:33 gkatsev: oh yeah? where is that ? Dec 01 22:23:55 yer handle Dec 01 22:24:45 this is not ICQ Dec 01 22:24:55 its a nickname ;) Dec 01 22:24:56 gkatsev is right bpadalino|work, but I don't know the specific directions Dec 01 22:28:11 Go to wifi, tap the network, scroll to the bottom. Dec 01 22:28:20 wifi from the top menu, I mean. Dec 01 22:28:58 bpadalino|work: go to the wifi app. select the network you want. there you can set dhcp or static or there is a delete/forget network option Dec 01 22:29:33 oh, totally missed ird's statements, lol Dec 01 22:29:43 haha Dec 01 22:30:10 gkatsev: I get that a lot. Dec 01 22:31:45 lol Dec 01 22:32:09 i can only forget the network once i am connected to it Dec 01 22:32:17 that menu isn't available if i am not connected or association failed :( Dec 01 22:32:33 no swipe-delete eh Dec 01 22:32:47 * gkatsev -> home Dec 01 22:32:52 i don't think so Dec 01 22:43:10 zsoc|away: http://gstylemag.com/blog/2009/12/01/first-look-precorder-unofficial-video-recording-on-the-palm-pre/ Dec 01 22:51:15 rwhitby`: is it normal for LunaSysMgr to open('/pro/cpuinfo') every 30 seconds? Dec 01 22:52:28 rwhitby`: interesting article. Dec 01 22:53:46 haha mostly busy Dec 01 22:54:04 Abyssul_wIRC: i melted my phone :> Dec 01 22:54:21 that sucks. Dec 01 22:54:51 ird: actually it was pretty awesome, the dsp is powerful Dec 01 22:54:57 zsoc|mostlybusy: how? Dec 01 22:55:05 burned the cpu? Dec 01 22:55:59 Abyssul_wIRC: er, we will leave the details undisclosed :) Dec 01 22:56:11 whos we? lol Dec 01 23:08:13 wtf is this? I can't search images in google mobile. why would they change that... Dec 01 23:09:32 Abyssul_wIRC: tap "Other options" Dec 01 23:09:33 rwhitby: rid yourself of that dirty mark Dec 01 23:09:52 Abyssul_wIRC: Or something like that, I think it's on the right. Dec 01 23:10:08 not it Dec 01 23:10:59 images from page? that doesn't work the same though Dec 01 23:11:12 images.google.com works fine. Dec 01 23:11:52 thanks Dec 01 23:12:12 i've found a new webserver for the pre Dec 01 23:12:20 gwan Dec 01 23:12:59 Mousey: how's ipkg-opt working for you via just Preware only? Dec 01 23:13:43 except the manually populating /opt/etc/ipkg/ipkg.conf, works great! Dec 01 23:14:18 installed lynx, found a problem with the OS, none of the things i could do beforehand! Dec 01 23:15:08 =) Dec 01 23:15:49 Mousey: I'll add the optware.conf to the preware ipkg-opt package so it happens automatically Dec 01 23:15:57 yah, optware.conf, sorry Dec 01 23:16:10 i just cut and pasted the echo lines from the wiki Dec 01 23:16:16 worked like charm Dec 01 23:16:49 root@palm-webos-device:/# ipkg-opt list | wc -l Dec 01 23:16:49 1355 Dec 01 23:17:17 no WAY Dec 01 23:17:22 asterisk14 - 1.4.22.1-1 - Asterisk is an Open Source PBX and telephony toolkit. Dec 01 23:17:25 are you KIDDING ME?? Dec 01 23:17:31 my PHONE as ASTERISK SERVER? Dec 01 23:17:46 * Mousey falls out of chair, rolls on floor laughing Dec 01 23:17:57 that only runs for 5 mins before exploding into a fine orange mist Dec 01 23:18:04 bawwwwwww Dec 01 23:18:23 avahi!! Dec 01 23:18:29 man, i love this phone Dec 01 23:19:04 bzflag server! Dec 01 23:19:11 ok, this is crazy Dec 01 23:19:19 PuffTheMagic: i'm almost done with the spec, trying to be detailed Dec 01 23:19:59 rwhitby: do you know anyone with more experiencing with the output of a LunaSysMgr strace than you? Dec 01 23:20:07 s/experiencing/experience Dec 01 23:20:31 zsoc|mostlybusy: nope Dec 01 23:20:34 no davfs2 tho Dec 01 23:21:00 lol ettercap! Dec 01 23:21:16 ok ok, /me stfus about all the win in optware Dec 01 23:21:29 rwhitby: my LunaSysMgr is stuck at 20% constantly. before i doctor i'll try to get you an output later (if you're interested in looking at it, just for educational purposes) Dec 01 23:21:58 Mousey: don't forget rtorrent ;) Dec 01 23:22:20 zsoc|mostlybusy: sure Dec 01 23:22:24 and gnupg! and icecast! and ircd! Dec 01 23:22:31 and jabberd! Dec 01 23:22:32 lol!! Dec 01 23:22:42 ipkg-web Dec 01 23:22:43 are you seriousl? Dec 01 23:22:52 Mousey: and a crappy build of ffmpeg ;) Dec 01 23:23:07 hehe, saw that.. i wonder how it could be frontended Dec 01 23:23:10 jsmplayer? Dec 01 23:23:25 LAME!! i could rip mp3s with my phone! Dec 01 23:23:27 Mousey: i have a _good_ (full) build of ffmpeg Dec 01 23:23:37 there's already a framework for a c++ service for it Dec 01 23:23:41 works great for video encoding Dec 01 23:23:49 encoding Dec 01 23:23:51 really Dec 01 23:23:53 or cutting Dec 01 23:23:59 like i could cut a piece of a song or video Dec 01 23:24:11 on your frickin phone Dec 01 23:24:20 or increase compression to limit filesize Dec 01 23:24:20 all we're missing is PVM and transcode Dec 01 23:24:26 transcoding works Dec 01 23:24:29 ffmpeg is pretty godlike Dec 01 23:24:49 just need a solid service and front end for it, but it's a huge project Dec 01 23:24:55 nethack! Dec 01 23:24:57 ncftp! Dec 01 23:24:58 could use it to make ringtones from mp3s Dec 01 23:25:04 * Mousey has nerdgasm Dec 01 23:25:10 lol Dec 01 23:25:13 my ringtone IS an mp3 Dec 01 23:25:20 oh no Dec 01 23:25:29 ntfs-3g?!?!?!?! are you serious?! Dec 01 23:25:37 no Dec 01 23:25:40 the list is lieing to you Dec 01 23:25:44 it is now officially a crime this phone doesn't have usbOTG Dec 01 23:25:49 oh Dec 01 23:25:54 poopy lying list Dec 01 23:26:20 openldap! Dec 01 23:26:22 ^_^ Dec 01 23:28:16 oilsworkn: I meant clip, like cut out just the chorus of a song or something Dec 01 23:28:23 Mousey: optware is the result of 5 years of work of porting packages for NAS devices and routers - don't be surprised if some packages don't work or don't make sense on the Pre Dec 01 23:28:25 lol Dec 01 23:28:43 yeah, i used some program on my pc to do that Dec 01 23:28:57 the beginning of the song kalamazoo by primus Dec 01 23:28:59 looped Dec 01 23:29:06 makes a good ringtone Dec 01 23:29:13 Is there anyway to move contacts saved to palm profile to a gmail account? Dec 01 23:29:22 oilsworkn: cool song actually Dec 01 23:29:23 rwhitby: yea, i'm familiar with nslu2-linux.org, the santa barbara lug hosts their booth at SCALE in LA.. I'm friends with one of the porters of debian packages to debian/ARMbe Dec 01 23:29:28 * Mousey knows people Dec 01 23:29:35 * Mousey is scene whore extraordinare ^_^ Dec 01 23:29:36 * zsoc|mostlybusy has never met a person before Dec 01 23:29:46 Mousey: tbm or joey? Dec 01 23:29:55 Mousey: or ka6sox Dec 01 23:30:00 ka6sox! Dec 01 23:30:12 i <3 tom! Dec 01 23:30:34 Mousey: ka6sox still runs the servers that host webos-internals.org and preware.org Dec 01 23:30:42 yay! Dec 01 23:30:52 zsoc|mostlybusy: just the beginning before les says anything Dec 01 23:30:54 i will hug him when i see him next.. stupid moved to seattle, don't see him anymore Dec 01 23:31:11 Mousey: did you ever meet Derek too? Dec 01 23:31:34 not sure, brown curly hair, glasses? Dec 01 23:31:57 um, dunno - never met him in person. Dec 01 23:32:11 there's usually two nslu2-linux guys. i always forget their names.. but i see them every so often Dec 01 23:32:12 when is rwhitby making a trip to the states? Dec 01 23:32:21 yes! i'll buy all your beer Dec 01 23:32:37 i recommend the los angeles area, circa late feb, 2010 Dec 01 23:32:57 Mousey: page 17 of http://www.nslu2-linux.org/presentation.pdf, derek is on far right Dec 01 23:33:22 Hi yall. I'm trying to add a new patch, but it tells me I don't have write access to the repository. :( Dec 01 23:33:35 What do I need to do to get access? Dec 01 23:33:39 oh ya, skinny asian, i know him! Dec 01 23:33:41 talk to rwhitby Dec 01 23:33:55 akamil: submit the patch through the web page, and then if it's good you get access. Dec 01 23:33:57 many of the people in both those pictures.. those are my peeps1 Dec 01 23:33:58 1=! Dec 01 23:34:44 akamil: make sure it's good. we don't like bad patches around here :> Dec 01 23:34:48 * Mousey wonders if he can convince rwhitby to come talk at scale Dec 01 23:35:52 It's pretty minor; it just causes the clock app to open to the alarm list view instead of the useless clock view. Dec 01 23:36:33 OMG Dec 01 23:36:51 * oilsworkn has been thinking about making that patch, cause the clock is so utterly useless Dec 01 23:37:20 * oilsworkn awaits akamils patch Dec 01 23:37:28 Yeah, it pisses me off every night when I set my alarm. :) Dec 01 23:37:33 yeah Dec 01 23:37:45 lol Dec 01 23:37:49 well im glad someone finally made it Dec 01 23:37:53 cause i was procrastinating it away Dec 01 23:38:20 submit it to that submission website Dec 01 23:38:23 The clock view is pretty weird Dec 01 23:38:39 the clock view seems like a "hey, look at how sexy this is" type of scene Dec 01 23:38:54 But what is even weirder is people who reskin the clock view Dec 01 23:38:57 not very useful with the time always being displayed at hte top Dec 01 23:39:07 And in the lock screen. Dec 01 23:39:13 and my axe! Dec 01 23:39:23 *ahem* sorry Dec 01 23:39:23 no, that time isn't as good, lets open this app to try and decode a analog clock Dec 01 23:39:44 lol Dec 01 23:41:16 akamil: i don't know the url, or i would link you Dec 01 23:41:28 (for the submission site that is) Dec 01 23:42:25 I assume on gitorious? Dec 01 23:42:56 http://www.dbsooner.com/webospatchupload.php Dec 01 23:43:19 no, its that site where dBsooner will package it all up and everything Dec 01 23:43:32 (basically, he does all the heavy lifting) Dec 01 23:43:43 OIC Dec 01 23:44:25 note: 113 could probably be removed from the submission site Dec 01 23:44:52 akamil: then he does the initial commit to gitorious and you handle it from there Dec 01 23:44:52 aren't they at 131 like everyone else now? Dec 01 23:45:17 Cool, thanks. Dec 01 23:45:46 no, thank you for making that patch. Dec 01 23:45:55 :) Dec 01 23:46:04 Mousey: -> ka6sox Dec 01 23:46:16 hey tom! Dec 01 23:46:32 No problem. :) Dec 01 23:46:45 heya Marc, Dec 01 23:46:48 ka6sox: make rwhitby come to SCALE! Dec 01 23:46:52 you hacking on a Pre now? Dec 01 23:47:00 I'd love it if he could swing it... Dec 01 23:47:14 well.. i'm more of a guinea pig and loudmouth, but i've never had a more fun phone Dec 01 23:47:34 its quite ninja Dec 01 23:47:36 ka6sox: maybe we can get gareth to fly him out (rwhitby willing) Dec 01 23:47:45 ya never know! Dec 01 23:48:00 Is loading a site with a browser mostly network, cpu, or disk intensive? What about for each subsystem of a browser: rendering, layout, formatting, DOM, marshalling, CSS parsing, HTML parsing, javascript compilation/interpretation Dec 01 23:48:34 ka6sox: i thought i smelled you guys when the nslu2 links started popping up.. i wonder if chad has one ^_^ Dec 01 23:48:43 dburr does Dec 01 23:49:06 I'm just providing infra. Dec 01 23:49:15 yay! Dec 01 23:49:16 (when it works on my Network I'll buy one) Dec 01 23:49:22 best phone evar! Dec 01 23:49:37 i wonder if dburr knows about the bigger font patches.. Dec 01 23:49:42 he does Dec 01 23:49:47 ^_^ Dec 01 23:49:56 * rwhitby thinks that without ka6sox, this and many other projects could not operate as smoothly as they do. Dec 01 23:50:13 ka6sox is the unsung hero of webos-internals Dec 01 23:50:20 I have never heard of him D: Dec 01 23:50:22 hey!! i sing about him! Dec 01 23:50:32 ka6sox: You are a smooth operator Dec 01 23:50:37 apparently. Dec 01 23:50:41 * oilsworkn waits for "ode to ka6sox" to top the charts Dec 01 23:50:46 oy Dec 01 23:51:31 right now I'm working on preparations for a Karmic Koala upgrade...when the server is in a lull period. Dec 01 23:51:47 bleh, well don't try to run boxee Dec 01 23:52:04 I's not trollin' Dec 01 23:52:33 I just hope it doesn't want to upgrade the kernel as the Xen kernel is the only one that works. Dec 01 23:52:57 i went to karmic on a couple, there is a kernel upgrade.. this is why you stick with debian. =P Dec 01 23:53:16 I can hold the kernel upgrade back. Dec 01 23:53:27 its not necessary. Dec 01 23:53:47 bbl Dec 01 23:54:05 if ryan pops his head in tell him i'll be looking for him later D: Dec 01 23:54:13 i wonder if there's a server edition of ubuntu, i imagine there is Dec 01 23:54:36 Mousey, when do you plan to be @ SCALE? Thursday or later? Dec 01 23:54:54 i'm gonna fly in wed or thurs. don't have my ticket yet, but i plan to be early this year Dec 01 23:55:13 good, I'll put you down on the A/V setup crew :D Dec 01 23:55:28 and don't forget you are running Weakest Geek. Dec 01 23:55:32 w00t. i'm still tryna find the guy who did the game talk from last year, i wanna do the LAN party Dec 01 23:55:32 rwhitby: I've updated jstop to v0.0.2 Dec 01 23:55:40 * Mousey hugs azakus Dec 01 23:55:45 oh right ^_% Dec 01 23:55:46 * azakus bows Dec 01 23:56:00 azakus: ok, do you know the steps to push it through the autobuilder yourself Dec 01 23:56:16 I tagged it and pushed the tag Dec 01 23:56:21 what are the other steps? Dec 01 23:56:22 by running, i -know- you don't mean -hosting- O_o Dec 01 23:56:26 Mousey: yes, I run the ubuntu server edition in my virtualbox VMs for building stuff Dec 01 23:56:38 ah.. good, that makes more sense then Dec 01 23:56:50 Okay Mousey I need to get on my way. catch me in #sblug and when you know your sked. Dec 01 23:57:00 enjoy your Pre! Dec 01 23:57:01 coo Dec 01 23:57:02 azakus: then checkout preware/build.git, and update the apps/jstop/Makefile with the new info. commit and push that and the autobuilder will do the rest Dec 01 23:57:04 i DO! Dec 01 23:57:10 kk Dec 01 23:57:13 ka6sox: and show up on wednesday sometime! Dec 01 23:57:16 =P Dec 01 23:58:15 Mousey, I have class that night...it will be over in about 1yr. Dec 01 23:58:26 you and your EDUCATION! Dec 01 23:58:28 ^_^ Dec 01 23:59:00 this is more for fun....grinding the mirror seems a lot more physical than mental. Dec 01 23:59:19 yah.. that still blows me away, making telescopes Dec 01 23:59:41 and education should be for fun, otherwise whats the point? Dec 02 00:00:25 yup...I have my slug currently taking the weather, controlling the telescope mount and controlling the camera... Dec 02 00:01:26 okay I'll let the channel roll on with Pre stuffs. Dec 02 00:01:32 catch you in a bit. Dec 02 00:02:23 hawt Dec 02 00:02:36 * Mousey 's slug is only DNS, DHCP, and LDAP Dec 02 00:03:34 I'll breathe easier when I get the Plug doing all this. Dec 02 00:03:50 rwhitby: hmm, I can't seem to push to build Dec 02 00:04:23 azakus: did you use the git@ clone? Dec 02 00:04:34 oh, whoops Dec 02 00:06:07 fixed it Dec 02 00:07:02 you have a Plug?! Dec 02 00:07:13 oh right! i have that bookmarked somewhere Dec 02 00:15:27 anyone know how to search contacts with the SDK or other method? Dec 02 00:22:26 LoneStar34: "with the sdk"? what do u mean by that Dec 02 00:22:42 LoneStar34: there is a whole conctacts api to program with if that is what u are asking Dec 02 00:47:32 PuffTheMagic: I want to search different areas of the phone Dec 02 00:48:09 i dont know what you mean by that Dec 02 00:49:38 shello Dec 02 00:49:43 PuffTheMagic: kinda like a windows search which searches everything in the OS for the word "cola" Dec 02 00:50:21 i was wondering Dec 02 00:50:28 LoneStar34: thats what the universal search feature does Dec 02 00:50:39 how do you put the palm pre into USB mode from linux? Dec 02 00:50:42 my pre wont boot Dec 02 00:51:02 but i can access linux, and i moved all of my files to the USB partition Dec 02 00:51:10 PuffTheMagic: where do I find universal search? Dec 02 00:51:13 LOG123: huh what? Dec 02 00:51:17 in the emulator? Dec 02 00:51:21 no Dec 02 00:51:23 real pre Dec 02 00:51:28 wait Dec 02 00:51:43 LOG123: if your phone dont boot how can u you access linux Dec 02 00:51:49 eg Dec 02 00:51:56 it shows the palm screen Dec 02 00:52:04 but i can access linux from novacom Dec 02 00:52:11 but it doesn't start luna Dec 02 00:52:15 wierd, i know Dec 02 00:52:25 i tried starting luna Dec 02 00:52:27 but no dice Dec 02 00:52:43 LOG123: i used to know the answer to this but not at the moment Dec 02 00:52:49 agh Dec 02 00:52:49 LOG123: u can always reboot the phone Dec 02 00:52:53 i did Dec 02 00:52:54 LOG123: and hold volume-up Dec 02 00:53:00 and that goes into disk mode Dec 02 00:53:21 what magically makes ssl sites on non-standard ports work? Dec 02 00:53:21 can i access the USB partition from there? Dec 02 00:53:34 unicorn blood Dec 02 00:53:36 totally can Dec 02 00:53:50 dammit, fresh out of unicors Dec 02 00:53:51 +n Dec 02 00:54:08 LOG123: yeah Dec 02 00:54:23 err Dec 02 00:55:07 PuffTheMagic: where can I find universal search? Dec 02 00:55:26 LoneStar34: look at the patches that modify the universal search for a clue Dec 02 00:55:30 WTF!?!? Dec 02 00:55:35 usb mode wont start Dec 02 00:55:51 LOG123: i was rong about the vol up thing Dec 02 00:55:56 it dont put it into disk mode Dec 02 00:55:59 its just bootie mode Dec 02 00:56:04 eh Dec 02 00:56:11 i tried Orange-sym-u Dec 02 00:56:14 that didnt work Dec 02 00:56:21 i need a command line solution Dec 02 00:56:24 what did u expect that to do? Dec 02 00:56:34 orange sym u? Dec 02 00:56:37 yeah Dec 02 00:56:41 it puts it into USB mode Dec 02 00:56:53 apparently only if you are in luna tho... Dec 02 00:56:53 from luna Dec 02 00:57:13 LOG123: u know u can hard reboot by holding the power button and toggling the switch 3 times right? Dec 02 00:57:14 azakus: please use
in the Changelog rather than a comma Dec 02 00:57:14 damn Dec 02 00:57:33 LOG123: hold on i think there is a sysfs file u can write to Dec 02 00:57:38 to put it into storage mode Dec 02 00:57:43 cool Dec 02 00:57:47 LOG123: but you could just scp your back upfiles Dec 02 00:57:53 its all in /media/internal Dec 02 00:59:19 PuffTheMagic: who developed universal search? Dec 02 00:59:25 eh... Dec 02 00:59:26 LoneStar34: palm did Dec 02 00:59:29 how do i scp? Dec 02 00:59:31 LoneStar34: have u ever used a pre? Dec 02 01:00:18 maybe lonestar is thinking of getting one? Dec 02 01:00:25 if you are Dec 02 01:00:28 i recommend it! Dec 02 01:00:45 no offence to pixi owners Dec 02 01:00:49 but get the pre!@ Dec 02 01:01:00 LoneStar34:one of the biggest features of the pre is the universal search feature so no need to reimplement it Dec 02 01:01:40 PuffTheMagic: can't find it on the emulator Dec 02 01:01:58 start typing Dec 02 01:02:02 on the emulator Dec 02 01:02:08 type browser Dec 02 01:02:12 while on the home screen Dec 02 01:02:41 anything pop up? Dec 02 01:02:51 BTW Dec 02 01:03:01 ubuntu is possible on the pre Dec 02 01:03:10 i installed it the other day Dec 02 01:03:28 LOG123: chroot, sure. Dec 02 01:03:28 i'll either add it or have someone else add it to the wiki Dec 02 01:03:34 yupo Dec 02 01:03:45 i prefer ubuntu Dec 02 01:03:59 how do i use SCP ? Dec 02 01:05:25 i run ubuntu Dec 02 01:05:42 i'm taking my pre in tomorrow Dec 02 01:05:49 to be replaced Dec 02 01:06:12 (i'll admit it i DID drop it on its head a couple of times, so sue me) Dec 02 01:13:55 ahhhhhhhhhhhhh Dec 02 01:14:01 LOG123: got your answer :D Dec 02 01:16:01 LOG123: luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.storage/diskmode/enterMSM {\"user-confirmed\":true,\"enterIMasq\":false} Dec 02 01:16:04 do that Dec 02 01:16:10 in novaterm Dec 02 01:17:08 actuyally Dec 02 01:17:10 all u need is luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.storage/diskmode/enterMSM {\"user-confirmed\":true} Dec 02 01:19:57 LOG123: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dec 02 01:19:58 LOG123: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dec 02 01:20:30 ok Dec 02 01:20:31 give me a min Dec 02 01:23:53 UR GOD! Dec 02 01:23:57 THANK YOU Dec 02 01:23:58 :D Dec 02 01:24:03 * LOG123 bown Dec 02 01:24:06 * LOG123 bows Dec 02 01:24:25 your a genius Dec 02 01:24:42 rwhitby: ping Dec 02 01:24:57 now Dec 02 01:25:07 i don't have to lose all of my sysfiles Dec 02 01:25:09 :D\ Dec 02 01:25:14 dbsooner, some guy made a clock patch to go straight to alarms Dec 02 01:25:15 puff your awesome Dec 02 01:25:17 get it in preware stat Dec 02 01:25:19 +1 Dec 02 01:25:25 oil: no sh!t? Dec 02 01:25:41 now' Dec 02 01:25:49 a few quick questions Dec 02 01:25:58 LOG123: puff is awesome, it's true Dec 02 01:25:59 can i move my preware files over to my new pre? Dec 02 01:26:09 you have no idea Dec 02 01:26:15 i spent days getting Dec 02 01:26:17 i get that alot Dec 02 01:26:27 all of those customizations Dec 02 01:27:05 now Dec 02 01:27:08 to fix my phone Dec 02 01:27:17 :D Dec 02 01:27:18 :D Dec 02 01:27:18 :D Dec 02 01:27:27 i'll be back in a min Dec 02 01:27:36 just one? Dec 02 01:27:42 ^_6 Dec 02 01:32:20 is that your eye dangling out of its socket? Dec 02 01:32:32 augh Dec 02 01:32:44 6_6 Dec 02 01:33:14 man, ascii art was never meant to be conversational markup.. there's just no end Dec 02 01:43:03 the usb charger cover fell off my phone just now :( Dec 02 01:45:25 rwhitby: they have talked about absolutely nothing. Dec 02 01:45:33 rwhitby: a hint at 1.3.1.. Dec 02 01:45:36 err 1.3.5 Dec 02 01:45:44 and about Visual Voicemail Dec 02 01:46:44 antianalog: u aint the first one to break that Dec 02 01:47:08 so i have read Dec 02 01:47:41 antianalog: its a form of "mechanical damage" which is coverent under the no deductable portion of the sprint extended coverage plan if you have it Dec 02 01:48:06 they might resist, but if u argue it Dec 02 01:48:15 does that mean i can get a new one if i go to the store, or should i contact palm directly? Dec 02 01:48:25 i will look into it Dec 02 01:52:27 any shell script gurus here? Dec 02 01:52:58 I need a script which will wrap a program, and will log both the invocation arguments, and also log all input on stdin and output on stdout and stderr Dec 02 01:56:01 rwhitby: that sounds like a 1 liner Dec 02 01:59:41 PuffTheMagic, i just started a live chat with someone from palm Dec 02 01:59:46 we'll see how it goes :) Dec 02 02:00:20 What about? Dec 02 02:05:11 chrisa: his usb cover fell off Dec 02 02:05:53 dBsooner did that guy submit it to your page? Dec 02 02:06:04 oil: I haven't looked Dec 02 02:06:29 well shit Dec 02 02:06:33 lol Dec 02 02:06:41 yes Dec 02 02:06:43 he did Dec 02 02:06:47 "Open to Alarm List" Dec 02 02:06:54 today 554 pm central Dec 02 02:07:05 PalmCastLive now.. patches in a bit Dec 02 02:07:12 then a binge to test the patches on 1.3.5 Dec 02 02:07:25 s/1.3.5/./ Dec 02 02:07:26 dBsooner meant: then a binge to test the patches on . Dec 02 02:08:16 rwhitby: have you gotten a reply from the original author of that patch you emailed.. Which one was it..? Ahh.. Battery Percent as Icon.. Dec 02 02:08:24 dBsooner: nope Dec 02 02:08:38 rwhitby: Man.. I really hate Open Source sometimes. ;) Dec 02 02:11:06 didn't you hear? Dec 02 02:11:19 patches are MORE open source if we require them to make a thread on precentral for it Dec 02 02:11:20 xD Dec 02 02:11:34 lol Dec 02 02:11:58 Well I know patches submitted now to Precentral are considered MIT.. as of recently. Dec 02 02:16:29 azakus: JSTop was just announced on the PalmCast Live Dec 02 02:16:37 precentral has patch submission thing? Dec 02 02:16:53 oil: if you post in the patches subforum, it's automatically MIT now Dec 02 02:17:02 ah Dec 02 02:17:06 what about keytoss dude? Dec 02 02:17:22 he's released his patches as MIT Dec 02 02:17:30 nice Dec 02 02:18:53 :) Dec 02 02:19:16 samkim was impressed with how I put differences aside to assist him with the 1.2.1 updates. Dec 02 02:19:23 At least I feel he was. Dec 02 02:23:13 oil: big JSTop shout-outs on the PalmCast :-) Dec 02 02:23:27 rwhitby: still need that script? Dec 02 02:23:45 rwhitby: i know, they were talking about memory management Dec 02 02:23:53 and i brought it up :) Dec 02 02:24:02 oil: yep, saw that - nice job. Dec 02 02:24:04 What does JSTop do? Dec 02 02:24:08 TOP Dec 02 02:24:12 for luna Dec 02 02:24:45 * Templarian nods and pretends it's probably okay if he doesn't understand. Dec 02 02:24:52 lol Dec 02 02:24:58 top is like a process list Dec 02 02:25:01 of the top processes Dec 02 02:25:11 jstop shows you all the mojo apps running Dec 02 02:25:14 and you can tap to kill them Dec 02 02:28:08 rwhitby: http://dpaste.com/127788/ Dec 02 02:28:16 ^^ something like that? Dec 02 02:28:43 Oh nice. Dec 02 02:29:16 Templarian: it needs icon Dec 02 02:29:17 for sure Dec 02 02:29:20 PuffTheMagic: I need to get input too Dec 02 02:29:58 PuffTheMagic: no rush now though, I just put a tee in there and got it. Dec 02 02:34:34 JSTop is all processes or just ones that have javascript cache? Dec 02 02:34:46 just javascrupt Dec 02 02:35:20 rwhitby: that does get input Dec 02 02:35:20 you need ubermon for linux processes Dec 02 02:35:33 well, ubermon needs to do linux processes xD Dec 02 02:35:38 and be somewhere people can get at it Dec 02 02:35:47 PuffTheMagic: stdin input? Dec 02 02:36:05 rwhitby: it saves the initial cmd args Dec 02 02:36:12 PuffTheMagic: stdin, not args Dec 02 02:36:18 thats impossible Dec 02 02:36:22 cant do that in C Dec 02 02:36:29 s/C/sh/ Dec 02 02:36:30 PuffTheMagic meant: cant do that in sh Dec 02 02:37:30 idk what milliometerminder or whatever his name is is talking about Dec 02 02:37:35 i get http://i45.tinypic.com/11vppxz.png when i remove the service Dec 02 02:38:36 oil: I expect he has removed the service, but the jar is still loaded and java hasn't been reset Dec 02 02:41:13 rwhitby: whoa really? sweet Dec 02 02:42:18 dieter seemed to really like it Dec 02 02:42:29 :) Dec 02 02:42:30 i wouldn't be surprised if there was an article on it soonish Dec 02 02:42:36 huzzah Dec 02 02:42:41 PuffTheMagic, i contacted the live chat. they directed me to voice support and voice support is sending me a new usb door for free :) Dec 02 02:43:27 dbsooner: did you get the sprintnav visual patches I submitted? Dec 02 02:43:44 antianalog: how the f are you supposed to install that Dec 02 02:44:21 sslow: sure? Dec 02 02:44:44 it looks like a little plug Dec 02 02:46:43 antianalog: how are you going to put it on? just push it in? Dec 02 02:46:55 forcefully Dec 02 02:47:28 i'm sure you just push it in Dec 02 02:48:14 with a hammer Dec 02 02:48:16 interesting Dec 02 02:48:27 * dBsooner hasn't taken it apart before. Dec 02 02:48:44 all it is is a door with a stem and an anchor Dec 02 02:49:12 like the things that hold tags to new clothes Dec 02 02:49:23 basically Dec 02 02:49:31 antianalog: yeah but if u can get the anchor in the hole what is gonna keep it there Dec 02 02:49:40 tape Dec 02 02:49:41 the anchor should be bigger than the hole Dec 02 02:49:48 it folds inwords Dec 02 02:49:54 but once its in its like an anchor Dec 02 02:50:00 PuffTheMagic: you've never pushed anything bigger into something smaller before using force? Dec 02 02:50:01 lol you guys Dec 02 02:50:10 lol Dec 02 02:50:49 ARES - YEAH Dec 02 02:50:55 meh Dec 02 02:50:56 Decimate: quiet you Dec 02 02:51:16 zsoc: thats what lube is for Dec 02 02:51:23 lol Dec 02 02:51:29 Ares is boring, honestly. More useless apps, that's what will come of it Dec 02 02:51:32 so hes going to lube up the usb door Dec 02 02:51:52 zsoc: it can't hurt./ Dec 02 02:51:56 i can just imagine the next call to voice support Dec 02 02:51:59 i would use ares if it actually generated the html/etc for the scenes designed with it Dec 02 02:52:02 PuffTheMagic: I have the spec done, I just gotta put the nitty gritty stuff in it from what's already being utilized (as to not have you redo things that will make my life harder :P) Dec 02 02:52:15 "does the warranty cover the misuse of lube?" Dec 02 02:52:15 oil: are you saying it doesnt, or are you hoping it does? Dec 02 02:52:23 oil: are you serious? it would probably end up using html4 tables ;) Dec 02 02:52:25 im not saying anything Dec 02 02:52:36 ;) Dec 02 02:52:38 :O Dec 02 02:52:42 WE HAVE A BETA TESTER Dec 02 02:53:12 where did rwhitby go? Dec 02 02:54:02 dBsooner: he's busy, like a boss Dec 02 02:55:13 like a boss! Dec 02 02:55:36 my boss is never busy Dec 02 02:55:50 approve memos! Dec 02 02:55:54 lead a workshop! Dec 02 02:55:57 remember birthdays! Dec 02 02:56:10 my boss is jahova whitness Dec 02 02:56:45 makes it difficult to ask for my birthday off Dec 02 02:56:50 lol Dec 02 02:57:09 dBsooner: here all the time, nothing interesting to respond to ;-) Dec 02 02:57:23 Boo Dec 02 02:57:25 geist, you moving up in the ranks ? Dec 02 02:57:26 not even my pm? Dec 02 02:57:41 * dBsooner sulks in the corner because he is not interesting. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Dec 02 02:59:57 2009