**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Dec 13 02:59:57 2009
Dec 13 14:51:45 <Abyssul_wIRC> hmmm can't wait to see this nes emulator progress
Dec 13 15:29:36 <almogaverXIII> hi
Dec 13 16:41:18 <Discus> yo
Dec 13 17:17:41 <prototypic> what nes emu?
Dec 13 18:12:41 <bpadalino> http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/13/palm-pixi-clears-fcc-with-verizon-frequencies-and-wifi-in-tow/ - interesting!
Dec 13 18:20:34 <sslow> That sucks for sprint huh
Dec 13 18:21:02 <sdodson> have they cleared the pre too?
Dec 13 18:21:50 <bpadalino> the interesting part to me is the pixi + wifi aspect
Dec 13 18:22:24 <bpadalino> seems like people tend to like the pixi kb and form factor a little better .. and would get that over a pre if it had wifi
Dec 13 18:22:38 <bpadalino> granted, the pre has a bigger screen .. but not a total deal breaker
Dec 13 18:28:08 <sslow> i personally dont like the pixi. Even if it had wifi on Sprint I would not switch
Dec 13 18:28:40 <sslow> some do and thats ok, I just like the hidden kb
Dec 13 18:28:58 <bpadalino> understandable
Dec 13 18:29:02 <bpadalino> i am up in the air about it
Dec 13 18:29:05 <bpadalino> i like a bigger screen
Dec 13 18:29:40 <bpadalino> but i find sliding to type for universal search a little tiresome
Dec 13 18:29:41 <sslow> the Pixi is more typical of a Palm device so I see why some people are drawn to it
Dec 13 18:30:13 <sslow> the slider doesnt bother me at all
Dec 13 18:31:54 <sslow> my daughters dont like it and want Pixis but I got their rants 1 month before the price drop so now they will have to wait
Dec 13 18:32:55 <bpadalino> a webos family, eh ?
Dec 13 18:33:57 <sslow> except my wife, she likes her dumb phone (rant) and wont budge
Dec 13 18:34:49 <bpadalino> if it just works ...
Dec 13 18:35:03 <bpadalino> i've had some quirks with my pre .. a couple times i'd try to answer the phone and the mic was muted
Dec 13 18:35:16 <sslow> I bought her one (Pre) and she didnt want it so I donated it to Jason
Dec 13 18:35:24 <bpadalino> ah, that's nice of you
Dec 13 18:37:38 <sslow> well with all the work he and others here have done I figured Id get more by donating it(better apps and functionality) than the 200.00 i could sell it for
Dec 13 18:40:26 <sslow> I also didnt realize that Palm wouldnt give test devices or I would have donated it to someone here earlier
Dec 13 18:41:15 <sslow> jason was the lucky one, because i saw his post for donations first
Dec 13 18:43:51 <Marajin> sslow: Damn stubborn women huh? they can be irrational at times :p
Dec 13 18:45:13 <sslow> Marajin: thats for sure, I have 4 daughters w/ phones and a wife,  Everybody likes something different
Dec 13 18:47:48 <sslow> bbl
Dec 13 20:04:44 <dBsooner> wtf
Dec 13 20:18:14 <ird> urmom
Dec 13 21:22:05 <rwhitby> morning
Dec 13 21:23:11 <randallagordon> howdy
Dec 13 21:34:23 <dBsooner> morning rwhitby
Dec 13 21:36:15 <rwhitby> My phone is now a Pre.  Haven't touched the Treo 650 for 2 days straight.
Dec 13 21:40:26 <dBsooner> WOW!
Dec 13 21:40:31 <dBsooner> You like it?
Dec 13 21:43:36 <rwhitby> yeah, I do.
Dec 13 22:07:51 <EdLin> I haven't touched my Centro either, in fact, I mailed it in for recycle... gets $27+ from Sprint, nearly the price they're selling it with a contract from third parties.
Dec 13 22:08:06 <EdLin> ..since getting my Pre.
Dec 13 22:48:31 <dBsooner> egaudet: ping
Dec 13 22:48:40 <egaudet> dBsooner, pong
Dec 13 22:49:35 <dBsooner> egaudet: when did you remove ipkg -o $IPKG_OFFLINE_ROOT remove `basename $APP_DIR` from postinst do_failure?
Dec 13 22:49:47 <egaudet> last week I think
Dec 13 22:49:50 <dBsooner> why?
Dec 13 22:49:58 <egaudet> installers handle it
Dec 13 22:50:10 <egaudet> non-zero indicates error to installer which gets rid of package
Dec 13 22:50:21 <dBsooner> well my test script doesn't handle it
Dec 13 22:50:22 <dBsooner> ;)
Dec 13 22:50:26 <egaudet> I should probably not use the world "installer" but yea Preware/QI
Dec 13 22:50:36 <egaudet> well fix your test script :P
Dec 13 22:50:41 <egaudet> bad news about that too
Dec 13 22:50:47 <dBsooner> wahtever
Dec 13 22:50:48 <egaudet> the scripts aren't going to work nicely on errors
Dec 13 22:50:55 <dBsooner> huh?
Dec 13 22:51:18 <egaudet> since when a patch fails to apply i do the dry-run to stderr to get the message to ipkg log
Dec 13 22:52:03 <egaudet> if you get a patch that can't apply during testing with a script it won't fail until you respond since it expects stdin when it asks to apply anyway or whatever
Dec 13 22:53:56 <dBsooner> odd
Dec 13 22:54:04 <dBsooner> cuz i am working them just fine with the 1.3.1 testing feed
Dec 13 22:59:15 <egaudet> because you aren't getting any errors?
Dec 13 22:59:46 <egaudet> What I meant was errors that require input to continue.  Like "reverse patch detected, apply anyway?"
Dec 13 22:59:53 <egaudet> but for your testing that probably would never occur
Dec 13 23:01:50 <egaudet> bbl
Dec 13 23:02:10 <dBsooner> no it occurs
Dec 13 23:02:17 <dBsooner> and somehow my script is going through it
Dec 13 23:04:22 <oil> those guys with the gazillion football/hockey/etc apps
Dec 13 23:04:28 <oil> like, wtf
Dec 13 23:05:26 <dBsooner> they gamble?
Dec 13 23:05:30 <oil> i mean
Dec 13 23:05:43 <oil> didnt palm say it costs so much per year to sell your app in the catalog?
Dec 13 23:05:48 <sdodson> i'm sure they write a loader and then each app is just a data file that they can use across all platforms
Dec 13 23:05:55 <oil> their bill is going to be larger then what they get
Dec 13 23:06:27 <sdodson> oil: Is it per app or per developer?
Dec 13 23:06:38 <oil> isn't it both?
Dec 13 23:06:57 <Rick-work> $99 per year for the developer plus $50 per app starting in about 2 weeks
Dec 13 23:06:59 <Rick-work> but not yet
Dec 13 23:07:04 <oil> righ
Dec 13 23:07:12 <dBsooner> so what is it right now?
Dec 13 23:07:20 <chrisa> I have to wonder who sits around and digs through FCC listings
Dec 13 23:07:25 <bpadalino> is sideloading still on the table ?
Dec 13 23:07:30 <chrisa> I guess if you're a tech blog it might be worth it
Dec 13 23:07:30 <sdodson> So aren't current early access devs grandfathered in under cheap pricing?
Dec 13 23:07:33 <bpadalino> chrisa, tech bloggers
Dec 13 23:07:36 <Rick-work> right now it's $5  plug $0
Dec 13 23:07:42 <oil> right
Dec 13 23:07:46 <oil> but they've got a ton of apps
Dec 13 23:07:52 <dBsooner> Rick-work: do I have to have an app first? or can I go ahead and reserve my $5?
Dec 13 23:08:03 <Rick-work> sdodson  early dev's get grandfather'ed on the $99, but not on the $50 once they turn it on
Dec 13 23:08:04 <bpadalino> chrisa, FCC has some good stuff up there .. and lots of nice equipment
Dec 13 23:08:14 <Rick-work> app first
Dec 13 23:08:16 <dBsooner> dang
Dec 13 23:08:19 <Rick-work> and it may be too late dBsooner
Dec 13 23:08:20 <dBsooner> Rick-work: give me an app
Dec 13 23:08:31 <Rick-work> dBsooner screw you.  :-)
Dec 13 23:08:32 <dBsooner> Rick-work: my first app won't be ready in time
Dec 13 23:09:00 <Rick-work> dBsooner fake something together.  Yule Log 2.
Dec 13 23:09:08 <dBsooner> lol
Dec 13 23:09:23 <Rick-work> Even then, it may be too late.
Dec 13 23:09:25 <dBsooner> so will your fee always be $5/yr?
Dec 13 23:09:29 <Rick-work> nope
Dec 13 23:09:32 <dBsooner> just first year
Dec 13 23:09:35 <Rick-work> yep
Dec 13 23:10:56 <oil> maybe im the only one that thinks they're not going to make their money back with that many apps
Dec 13 23:11:30 <randallagordon> Aren't they $1.99? Just gotta sucker in 25 people... :P
Dec 13 23:11:43 <Rick-work> not exactly
Dec 13 23:11:50 <Rick-work> you only get 70%
Dec 13 23:11:54 <Rick-work> less monthly paypal fees
Dec 13 23:12:00 <randallagordon> aye, true
Dec 13 23:12:04 <randallagordon> so 40 people
Dec 13 23:12:05 <randallagordon> :P
Dec 13 23:12:15 <Rick-work> right
Dec 13 23:12:26 <Rick-work> it will still reduce app spam
Dec 13 23:12:50 <sdodson> but what about ad revenue?
Dec 13 23:13:04 <Rick-work> what about it.  That's yours.
Dec 13 23:13:08 <bpadalino> that's between you and the ad agency
Dec 13 23:13:23 <Rick-work> as is any monthly subscriptions you might charge for web-based services.
Dec 13 23:13:27 <sdodson> Right so even if they lose money on the sale they may be ok.
Dec 13 23:13:50 <randallagordon> ...I just don't see them losing money on the sale, even
Dec 13 23:14:00 <Rick-work> depends.  Fill rates on ad requests for mobile right now suck dead bunnies
Dec 13 23:14:51 <Rick-work> mobile ad providers don't have enough advertisers and too many slots. At one point last week admob fill rates got as low as 1/10 %
Dec 13 23:15:15 <randallagordon> making even 50 sales shouldn't be horrendously difficult, unless the apps just suck (that's another line of discussion)...
Dec 13 23:15:30 <Rick-work> and google mobile adwords isn't live for webOS yet
Dec 13 23:21:37 <zsoc> people just aren't used to buying things on mobile
Dec 13 23:21:52 <zsoc> until these companies can start working with providers to add charges onto the bill
Dec 13 23:22:07 <zsoc> mobile advertising just isn't worth it
Dec 13 23:44:40 <ird> Not everybody uses or needs wifi more than half of the people I know with the Pre dont even use it. I had to show at least 2 people how to turn it on. If you NEED wifi get the Pre because obviously you will benefit from the better cpu and camera as well. Wifi is something power users need not the customers the pixi is intended to appeal 2.
Dec 13 23:44:42 <ird> lol
Dec 13 23:44:44 <ird> er
Dec 13 23:44:49 <ird> wrong channel.
Dec 13 23:45:12 <ird> that was a comment I read on the wifi pixi.
Dec 13 23:47:36 <LurkerXXX_> wifi allows better battery life, which even 'mortals' may want.
Dec 14 00:36:46 <sjanssen> has anybody looked into voicemail stuff?  I want to make Google Voice seem as native as possible
Dec 14 00:58:22 <ird> sjanssen: http://www.precentral.net/how-get-visual-voicemail-your-pre-or-pixi-using-google-voice
Dec 14 01:27:29 <zsoc> Ok I can't even make this up. I just played Pokemon Rumble for 30 minutes.
Dec 14 01:33:57 <gkatsev> gdial pro from preware plus the patch
Dec 14 01:37:36 <Abyssul> I played Pokemon Gold on my Pre for 7 hours
Dec 14 01:38:57 <zsoc> But this is nothing like a pokemon game.
Dec 14 01:39:01 <zsoc> it's closer to children of mana
Dec 14 01:39:05 <zsoc> it's terrible
Dec 14 01:39:06 <zsoc> and awesome
Dec 14 01:39:12 <Abyssul> Hehe
Dec 14 01:39:15 <Rick-work> sjanssen  to what extend do you want to do stuff that gdial pro doesn't?
Dec 14 01:39:20 <Rick-work> That's pretty native.
Dec 14 01:39:48 <Rick-work> and the dev for gdial pro works it pretty hard.
Dec 14 01:40:07 <anonymous_> is concerning that palm hasn't releaed next webos update yet.... many developers of their apps will be gone for the holidays... i'm gone next weekend, won't be able to support my app ...
Dec 14 01:40:21 <anonymous_> should palm wait til after new year or get it out the door with limited support?
Dec 14 01:40:28 <Abyssul> anonymous_: go to #webos
Dec 14 01:40:31 <zsoc> Screw native, I'm going to make an INDIGENOUS gvoice app. It's going to LIVE in a webos device, like a boss.
Dec 14 01:40:40 <Abyssul> lol zsoc
Dec 14 01:40:49 <Abyssul> Any progress with Precorder may I ask?
Dec 14 01:40:50 <Rick-work> I am reliably informed that they are working long hours anonymous_  -- but that they can't ship it until the obvious bugs are fixed.
Dec 14 01:41:08 <zsoc> Abyssul: i'm dying and puff is busy trying to change the future
Dec 14 01:41:22 <anonymous_> that's what i hear too... so maybe they should wait til after new year
Dec 14 01:43:48 <Rick-work> I suspect they may.
Dec 14 01:56:36 <Abyssul> zsoc, your dying?
Dec 14 01:58:02 <zsoc> Abyssul: My dying?
Dec 14 01:58:12 <Abyssul> you said "v"
Dec 14 01:58:15 <Abyssul> "i'm dying"
Dec 14 01:58:31 <zsoc> Right, and then you asked me about my dying, but I don't have one that I know of.
Dec 14 01:58:52 <Abyssul> What do you mean by "my dying" ?
Dec 14 01:59:10 <zsoc> Abyssul: You said 'your' instead of 'you're'.
Dec 14 01:59:16 <bpadalino> "who's on first" all over again
Dec 14 01:59:16 <zsoc> I'm just being a grammar nazi
Dec 14 01:59:28 <Abyssul> hehe
Dec 14 01:59:39 <zsoc> I'm just very ill, I'll come out of it maybe
Dec 14 01:59:51 <bpadalino> allergic to irc ?
Dec 14 02:01:52 <zsoc> allergic to my current line of work, more like it
Dec 14 02:02:10 <bpadalino> sounds like you need to call in sick .. eye problems .. can't see yourself going into work
Dec 14 02:25:47 <oc80z-> what's good
Dec 14 02:34:13 <atlanta> wsup everyone
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