**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 15 17:03:09 2009 Dec 15 17:05:14 I guess freenode is still having issues Dec 15 17:16:58 gaaaah what do i use to sync my pre to itunes now Dec 15 17:35:20 howdy Dec 15 17:35:36 id like to make a patch Dec 15 17:36:10 ive got quilt installed, but didn't see how to make a linux or github user Dec 15 17:54:46 good lord freenode is getting annoying Dec 15 17:54:59 I have to cycle through like 5 servers to find out what side of the split everyone is on Dec 15 17:55:18 and I miss stuff people say during the split Dec 15 17:55:36 and if nslu2-log doesn't log both sides of it. :D Dec 15 18:01:04 why does the launcher use 460 nodes? Dec 15 18:06:28 html? Dec 15 18:07:11 the launcher also consists of the global search code and other stuff IIRC Dec 15 18:07:58 yes Dec 15 18:20:56 can't that cause battery drain with so many nodes active? Dec 15 18:55:35 * PuffTheMagic is using freeTether on a train to Albany Dec 15 19:41:18 xorg Dec 15 20:07:11 hey, anybody active in here? Dec 15 20:08:46 nope. all dead Dec 15 20:11:41 I'm only mostly dead. Dec 15 20:12:37 well ive got a patch thats kinda working Dec 15 20:12:45 im wondering if someone can help me clean it up and package it Dec 15 20:14:40 what is the patch for? Dec 15 20:15:23 it makes it so if you unlock your pre in landscape, it opens the camera app... so if you hold it like a camera when you unlock it, it becomes a camera, and you can use the volume buttons to take a picture Dec 15 20:15:27 the volume part isn't mine Dec 15 20:15:32 but they go nicely together Dec 15 20:17:01 thats pretty nifty. Dec 15 20:18:01 ive got a few lined up, this is my first Dec 15 20:18:08 im just not used to working in linux really Dec 15 20:18:31 so im a little slow on the learning curve Dec 15 20:19:32 ive got 2 bugs to try and fix, and then ill try to pack it up with quilt Dec 15 20:19:55 but i was hoping someone may know where the system first generates a change of rotation Dec 15 20:20:08 is there a service subscription somewhere that Im not seeing? Dec 15 20:20:39 because right now, the orientation isn't updated until after the hooks for unlocking the device Dec 15 20:21:27 so whatever way the phone was held when it locked is what this patch sees when its unlocking Dec 15 20:21:32 even if it moved in the meantime Dec 15 20:22:07 im trying to get a hook into whatevers actually reading the orientation from the accelerometer, parsing it and pasing it back into the javascript layet Dec 15 20:22:10 layer Dec 15 20:25:28 anyone wanna take a crack at this, because I'm seeing one handler that calls the handler in each stage (and its scenes) and passes a specific event into the DOM... but nothing ever calls this top handler. I'm not sure how its being executed / whats calling it / how to hook into that Dec 15 20:29:59 im not sure this is the place for it... Dec 15 20:30:12 but i can't keep asking the people i worked with @ palm for advice on hacking their work Dec 15 20:30:20 yeah, this is the place Dec 15 20:30:31 you probably want to hack your own service. Dec 15 20:30:58 to watch the accelerometer? Dec 15 20:31:08 yeah Dec 15 20:31:46 I don't think he needs a service Dec 15 20:31:54 Is the lock screen an app? Dec 15 20:31:55 ok i could, but the device is already updating orientation info Dec 15 20:32:04 lock screen is native code Dec 15 20:32:13 but unlocking passes into a part of the phone app Dec 15 20:32:30 any rumors about 1.3.5 update? when it will be released? Dec 15 20:32:35 egaudet_work: ok, i wasnt sure, was suggest something Dec 15 20:32:46 en0x: i think the rumor is before the end of the year Dec 15 20:32:55 kk Dec 15 20:33:42 egaudet_work: com.palm.app.phone/app/models/TelephonyEventListener.js has methods that catch the unlocking and set state variables in the controller Dec 15 20:34:02 i added into that a few lines that check if the new state == unlocked, and then query for the orientation Dec 15 20:34:05 unusedUsername, have you tried a dummy app that listens to orientation events Dec 15 20:34:20 how are you querying the orientation? Dec 15 20:34:33 var unlockOrientation = Mojo.Controller.getAppController().getScreenOrientation(); Dec 15 20:34:46 I'm wondering if the orientation events are getting passed to mojo while screen is locked Dec 15 20:34:55 they're not Dec 15 20:35:20 if no accel. events get passed to mojo while screen is locked then gkatsev is probably right in that you may need a custom service Dec 15 20:35:21 and this method just returns the state that's cached in palmSystem.screenOrientation Dec 15 20:35:23 or something like that Dec 15 20:36:06 maybe, but id rather try to force a state update without making a new service just for this Dec 15 20:36:25 like where does the new orientation get passed in from... ? Dec 15 20:36:57 somewhere there needs to be a subscription to the accelerometer thats updating the orientation, right? Dec 15 20:38:34 en0x: if i had to guess I say it comes out this week Dec 15 20:38:35 well I believe the luna binaries handle the raw accelerometer events and then do the calculations and send the events to the mojo Dec 15 20:38:48 PuffTheMagic, i was betting before 24th Dec 15 20:39:04 en0x: i doubt the would push it out xmas week since people will probably be out of the office Dec 15 20:39:30 if mojo isn't getting any events while screen is locked then you need a custom service to get those events to mojo Dec 15 20:39:34 PuffTheMagic, who knows... :P Dec 15 20:39:59 egaudet_work: what even does he need? Dec 15 20:40:02 have you looked in the framework code for the events Dec 15 20:40:27 PuffTheMagic, orientation events apparently aren't getting to the mojo when screen is locked Dec 15 20:41:01 He wants to know what the orientation is at the time of unlocking the phone Dec 15 20:41:17 but I guess actually rather than a service you can ask for the raw accel data on unlock Dec 15 20:41:25 so the screen is on at that point right? Dec 15 20:41:35 PuffTheMagic, any progress on releasing wirc 0.5? Dec 15 20:41:38 I'm not sure if the accel service allows you to just get the accel data, but you can at the least listen to the raw accel events Dec 15 20:42:16 en0x: i havent touched it in a while, i did a massive overhaul on it weeks ago and i dont even think oil or egaudet have tested it on a real phone Dec 15 20:42:23 en0x: and the lag meters i added are too wasteful Dec 15 20:42:27 need to rethink them Dec 15 20:42:34 PuffTheMagic, gotcha Dec 15 20:43:10 puffTheMagic: screen turns on, runs the hook thats something like onLockStateChange, and thats where my code is but the only queries i can make into "what's the current orientation" return cached states Dec 15 20:43:19 that aren't update while the screen is off Dec 15 20:43:34 so if you ask right away when the screen turns on, you get the orientation that it was at right before it turned off Dec 15 20:44:18 the public "setScreenOrientation" method forces a specific scene to stay in one orientation Dec 15 20:44:22 and the private methods Dec 15 20:44:53 so im assuming there is a getScreenOrientation method right? Dec 15 20:44:59 a service call Dec 15 20:45:11 not that ive been able to find Dec 15 20:45:36 would the custom accel service fix that? since it updates more frequently? Dec 15 20:45:46 i guess not Dec 15 20:46:09 no that is unrelated Dec 15 20:46:15 ok. Dec 15 20:47:23 i get two deadends looking for a service Dec 15 20:47:31 1) PalmSystem.screenOrientation is never updated Dec 15 20:48:15 yeah well Dec 15 20:48:29 2) screenOrientationChanged is never called by anything Dec 15 20:48:56 #1 is what the getScreenOrientation is looking at, #2 is whats called to throw events and change states in each stage/scene Dec 15 20:49:21 whoa wait a sec Dec 15 20:49:33 unusedUsername, what does PalmSystem.windowOrientation give you Dec 15 20:49:36 is that updated? Dec 15 20:49:41 i just asked if there was a getScreenorientation method? Dec 15 20:49:43 you said no Dec 15 20:50:14 I think the windowOrientation is what you want Dec 15 20:50:20 egaudet_work, it has the last updated orientation state, either 'up' down left or right Dec 15 20:50:32 puff, you asked about a service Dec 15 20:50:40 i can't find a service Dec 15 20:50:44 yeah it HAS to be calling a service Dec 15 20:50:54 right, thats what im saing Dec 15 20:50:56 no it doesn't PuffTheMagic Dec 15 20:51:17 well it needs to subscribe to a service that could be polling back with some orientation data Dec 15 20:51:19 the orientation changes are sent to mojo as events, which updates the orientation state. Dec 15 20:51:31 ummmm Dec 15 20:51:32 I don't think there is a service request method to get the orientation Dec 15 20:51:37 the "accelerometer service api" Dec 15 20:51:41 is what its using Dec 15 20:52:03 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1554 Dec 15 20:52:22 you only get events Dec 15 20:52:33 so ive been looking for what sends those events into the scenes Dec 15 20:52:36 yeah and one of the event is "position" Dec 15 20:52:41 which is the orientation Dec 15 20:52:46 something in the framework propagates these 'orientationchange' events Dec 15 20:52:47 they have an orientation event Dec 15 20:52:55 the point is that those events dont come to mojo while screen is locked Dec 15 20:53:24 unusedUsername, you can check to see if the framework is stopping it from getting any lower Dec 15 20:53:38 dont rely on the "existing" subscription Dec 15 20:53:41 make a call your self Dec 15 20:53:45 when the screen is unlocked Dec 15 20:54:00 whats the service? Dec 15 20:54:08 make a call to what PuffTheMagic? Dec 15 20:54:33 they dont actually make that available available Dec 15 20:54:41 they wrap the service in all these events Dec 15 20:55:41 but the events are never sent or thrown into the dom Dec 15 20:55:44 they just *are* Dec 15 20:56:45 oh that explains it Dec 15 20:56:53 PalmSystem is a hook into a native object Dec 15 20:56:53 unusedUsername, is there an event handler for orientationChange in that telephony file Dec 15 20:57:19 right, we don't have code for the luna binaries Dec 15 20:57:41 no orientation handlers in there Dec 15 20:57:53 but thats why theres no service call for it Dec 15 20:58:24 its never called, the object in javascript is just 'magically' updated by the binaries Dec 15 20:58:31 have you tried to put handlers in there that log it and verify they stop when screen locks? Dec 15 20:58:44 * oil <<3s thinks that are magic Dec 15 20:59:06 that what stops? Dec 15 20:59:10 updating the orientation Dec 15 20:59:42 i have a log set when it locks and unlocks Dec 15 20:59:51 that dumps the lock status and the orientation Dec 15 21:00:30 i dont get why palm does this shit Dec 15 21:00:35 no matter which way im holding it when i unlock it, it will always say its being unlocked into the position that it was in when it was locked Dec 15 21:01:01 because each subscription response slows down javascript Dec 15 21:01:01 why would they expose the services for "some services" and hide/wrap then for others Dec 15 21:01:36 accelerometer data comes back so often it would kill performance to have the JS layer handling a dozen responses a second Dec 15 21:01:40 unusedUsername, PalmSystem may not be updated while screen is locked, but you may be able to get orientation change events and save your own copy of the oreintation Dec 15 21:01:52 unusedUsername: they dont slow things down unless you make a lot of shit wait on the response Dec 15 21:02:10 unusedUsername: just "reacting" to a subscription even wont affect anything Dec 15 21:02:15 wrong Dec 15 21:02:32 watch the way a long list scrolls Dec 15 21:02:41 its really smooth, interrupted by jerks Dec 15 21:02:50 those stutters are responses coming back Dec 15 21:03:03 the more data passed back by the response, the longer the stutter Dec 15 21:03:20 unusedUsername: thats not the fault of the subscription event Dec 15 21:03:28 its cause of slow css transitions Dec 15 21:03:38 slow 2d graphics Dec 15 21:03:43 then why is the rest of the animation smooth? Dec 15 21:04:04 it works, except when JS has to pause to get a 500kb response of the next 30 rows in the list Dec 15 21:04:33 if the rendering was at fault, it would all be chunky. point is it pauses Dec 15 21:04:33 what, from the internet? Dec 15 21:04:41 i am pretty sure that is all related to rendering speed Dec 15 21:04:45 no from any subscription Dec 15 21:04:56 and the fact that you are updating so my list items Dec 15 21:05:02 yea, if it was faster you wouldn't notice it as much Dec 15 21:05:15 but imagine if accelerometer data came back through JS Dec 15 21:05:19 and every tiny update Dec 15 21:05:22 a dozen times a second Dec 15 21:05:32 caused a tiny little stutter Dec 15 21:05:42 that's why accel data is native Dec 15 21:05:43 4 times a second Dec 15 21:05:45 isnt 4 times a second by default? Dec 15 21:06:13 you can still listen to raw accel data and get those numbesr to JS 4 times a second Dec 15 21:06:32 I've increased the frequency to 1KHZ and listened to the raw data and didn't notice a performance decrease Dec 15 21:06:34 but that was a while ago Dec 15 21:07:00 but yea, let me know if orientationChange (or is it orientationChanged) event still comes through while screen locked Dec 15 21:07:08 maybe im off, but thats how it was explained to me Dec 15 21:07:38 yeah "updating" a few widgets with new info is a lot different that deleting/adding new list items Dec 15 21:07:56 a lot more processing has to happen to add new widgets Dec 15 21:08:14 I believe the frequency (stock is 4HZ) is in the kernel, so none of the accel data gets even to userspace except for 4 times a second Dec 15 21:08:25 correct Dec 15 21:09:03 the accelerometer mojo events are driven by the rate at which the hardware is sampling Dec 15 21:09:10 which is 4hz default Dec 15 21:09:23 so i should listen for the next raw accel data when unlocking, and open the camera if thats sideways? Dec 15 21:10:06 unusedUsername you can do that, you'd give yourself a 250ms window of being wrong. Verify that the events do NOT come in while locked prior to that Dec 15 21:10:28 if they DO come in while locked, then you can save your own copy of what the current orientation is and check that upon unlock Dec 15 21:11:22 how do i do that? Dec 15 21:11:35 my one hook for locked/unlocked is outside of any appspace Dec 15 21:11:47 or at least ourside of any stages that would get those events Dec 15 21:12:49 you can still set up event listeners I'd imagine Dec 15 21:13:27 everything running in luna has access to everything mojo Dec 15 21:13:56 Mojo.Event.orientationChange Dec 15 21:14:29 i mean what dom element is observing that Dec 15 21:14:41 you have to add something Dec 15 21:15:04 but if its not in a scene on a stage itll never hear it Dec 15 21:16:19 nvm, i think i can walk to the sceneElement via this.appAssistant Dec 15 21:17:49 what file are you in? Dec 15 21:21:48 im in /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.phone/app/models/TelephonyEventListener.js Dec 15 21:33:47 egaudet_work: im pretty impressed, i've on this train for 3 hour now and been only been disconnected once from my quassel core due to horrid ping Dec 15 21:34:46 morning Dec 15 21:34:57 nice PuffTheMagic, how hot is your pre? Dec 15 21:35:05 morning Rod Dec 15 21:36:21 egaudet_work: pretty warm Dec 15 21:36:24 egaudet_work: i mean its been hotter Dec 15 21:41:09 Those map changes work great in pixie. Hurray Dec 15 21:50:29 has anyone tried webosquickinstall with openjdk as shipped by fedora (specifically f12) ? Dec 15 21:51:03 also, I thought I saw something about needing 32-bit java but I don't understand why that would be necessary Dec 15 21:56:36 linuxjacques: I use sun java Dec 15 21:56:49 path of least resistance :-) Dec 15 22:02:21 rwhitby: yeah, I may have to go that route. was just wondering if any other java implementations had been tried. Dec 15 22:02:40 not by me - you know how lazy I am :-) Dec 15 22:03:57 I'm willing to try some (openjdk at least) but I would have to first know the correct behavior, which means sun java too. Dec 15 22:04:50 I got navacom/d working on my 64bit gentoo last night. took a look around the pre userspace. Dec 15 22:05:10 going to try it on 64bit F12 later today Dec 15 22:05:51 I am a bit worried about F12 tho for meta-doctor - F12 uses patch 2.6, which the OE guys have declared buggy as hell. Dec 15 22:06:11 I dunno (yet) if fedora patched the bugs Dec 15 22:08:53 hmmm, from looking at the F12 patch srpm, it doesn't seem like it. Dec 15 22:10:38 and, the home URL listed in the yum db for patch is a broken link :-\ Dec 15 22:11:06 * linuxjacques tries searching google for "patch". yeah, right. Dec 15 22:18:58 whoah! I didn't know Palm was using OE to build WebOS Dec 15 22:20:23 heh, if so, Palm sure doesn't mention it (that I could find with a search on their dev site) Dec 15 22:20:33 OE? Dec 15 22:22:12 gkatsev: openembedded - http://wiki.openembedded.net/index.php/Main_Page Dec 15 22:22:39 lol, shouldve figured. Dec 15 22:22:46 thanks Dec 15 22:23:19 yep, all OE in house Dec 15 22:23:36 chrisa: that's sweet. Dec 15 22:23:47 Though bitbake can be... cryptic Dec 15 22:24:05 arcane would be my word :-) Dec 15 22:34:04 * linuxjacques searched the openembedded bugzilla for "patch" and gets lots of hits (for some strange reason) :-| Dec 15 22:46:42 linuxjacques: yeah, we're hoping that Palm will release some bitbake recipes at some point in the future Dec 15 22:46:51 freenode is starting to make me want to punch old ladies! Dec 15 22:47:09 dBsooner: it's a DDOS attack on them which is causing it. Dec 15 22:47:50 just turn off join and part notices, and your blood pressure will thank you Dec 15 22:48:39 linuxjacques: if you want to whip up an OE build system for our C services, that would be an awesome first thing to contribute ;-) Dec 15 22:49:26 Yeah, usually within 48 hours you can figure out how the DDoS is being orcestrated and have it pretty much quietted down so it doesn't cause an entire link to get dropped. (I used to run a 25k user network). Dec 15 22:49:37 And it's not the join/parts that I care about. Dec 15 22:49:42 OK, so I reckon I've worked out how this signing stuff will work in practice. Dec 15 22:49:54 join/parts don't bnother me, it's the losing the information said on the opposite sides of the split. Dec 15 22:49:55 dBsooner: what is it then? Dec 15 22:50:03 oic Dec 15 22:50:29 and not having all that info logged for later recolection. Dec 15 22:50:35 for each important file in CONTROL directory, there will be a sha1 hash of the contents of that file signed by the certificate (using the same algorithm that Palm uses to sign the whole package) Dec 15 22:50:38 I don't have a way to log chat on my work pc. :D Dec 15 22:51:03 a chisel? Dec 15 22:51:32 then when ipkgservice wants to run one of those scripts, it can just check for the existence of the same filename with a .sha1 suffix, and if it exists and the signature verifies, then it doesn't bother the user. Dec 15 22:51:48 rwhitby, are there non-important files in CONTROL/ ? Dec 15 22:51:56 egaudet_work_: conffiles Dec 15 22:52:06 k Dec 15 22:52:12 important files are ones that can provide a root escalation path Dec 15 22:52:25 so postinst and prerm at the moment Dec 15 22:52:28 yep Dec 15 22:52:31 although I'm going to sign control as well Dec 15 22:52:49 and the technique can extend to any files - that's why I'm signing them individually. Dec 15 22:53:01 sounds good Dec 15 22:53:08 note that there is another level of signing above for the whole package, but we're not checking that yet. Dec 15 22:53:25 (that will need to wait for when we transition to the C service) Dec 15 22:53:51 egaudet_work_: this scheme I can probably get in place over the next couple of days Dec 15 22:54:16 nice Dec 15 22:54:28 (so we can use it for aupt testing) Dec 15 22:54:31 I'm still at 151 packages waiting for update all Dec 15 22:54:43 egaudet_work_: ok, I'll try and expedite it for you today Dec 15 22:54:56 15 hours from now at the latest Dec 15 22:55:27 * rwhitby bbl Dec 15 22:56:17 nice :) Dec 15 22:56:59 egaudet_work_: did you ever update EPR to support IPKG_OFFLINE_ROOT? Dec 15 22:58:14 not yet Dec 15 22:58:35 I'll do that tonight Dec 15 22:59:14 ill do it if you want. Dec 15 22:59:22 i have nothing else to do Dec 15 22:59:48 I just don't know what I have locally that needs to pushed along with it Dec 15 23:00:00 i can take care of it. :D Dec 15 23:00:21 it's just changing the variable Dec 15 23:00:31 and adding IPKG_OFFLINE_ROOT= before any prerm's Dec 15 23:00:46 yea I know, I'll put it in my next commit. I think I have uncommitted changes Dec 15 23:00:58 Please can I do it then? Dec 15 23:01:04 it doesn't run prerm Dec 15 23:01:04 * dBsooner wants something to do. Dec 15 23:01:16 that will take you 10 seconds, it's not really going to kep you busy Dec 15 23:01:19 I know, i was just saying all it takes Dec 15 23:01:24 but go ahead Dec 15 23:01:30 I'll just merge after if you really are dying to do it Dec 15 23:01:32 10 seconds is longer than I have right now.. which is zsilch Dec 15 23:01:44 i've already ported all the patches Dec 15 23:02:05 all of fritos' new additions too Dec 15 23:02:20 did he submit via the form? Dec 15 23:04:22 I got a bunch of emails Dec 15 23:04:41 when is 1.3.5 going to hit Dec 15 23:04:44 then i'll do those afterwards Dec 15 23:04:52 i'm heading home Dec 15 23:04:53 bbl Dec 15 23:05:21 i have a new install-remove-packs.sh script I use to get my pre to my "normal" condition and back to "stock" Dec 15 23:05:49 use EPR to go back to stock Dec 15 23:05:57 it doesn't uninstall all my apps Dec 15 23:05:59 ;) Dec 15 23:06:19 rwhitby: by "an OE build system for our C services" do you mean an OE config to build a WebOS compatible toolchain? I would be up for that. Dec 15 23:06:23 and just running the prerm's and then ipkg removing the patches has done just fine Dec 15 23:06:34 oops, I just noticed the "bbl" :-) Dec 15 23:06:41 I have had everything gone out of control dir, no *.webosinternals.orig files left over and everything in normal condition. Dec 15 23:06:44 right but EPR could benefit from the extra testing too ;) Dec 15 23:07:29 alright i'm gone, bbl Dec 15 23:12:43 * linuxjacques does a "strings" on WebOSQuickInstall.jar to find out what &^%$&^$^& name it wants to call the webosdoctor.jar Dec 15 23:13:37 the answer is "webOSDoctor.jar" Dec 15 23:21:17 openjdk running WebOSQuickInstall has some really ugly fonts and throws exceptions. Sun JRE seems fine so far. Dec 15 23:30:23 linuxjacques: yeah, an OE config for a WebOS compatible toolchain - one that we can autobuild. Dec 15 23:31:44 entity-: only Palm knows when the next version of webOS will be released, and indeed what the number of that next version will be. Dec 15 23:46:52 rwhitby: what's this I hear about AU wanting to sensor the internet? Dec 15 23:49:20 * rwhitby would reply, but the reply might get "sensored" ;-) Dec 15 23:49:54 funny Dec 15 23:56:27 * linuxjacques saw a rumor on a website (palmcentral?) that 1.3.5 was going to hit Sprint on December 16th. Dec 15 23:57:14 s/palmcentral/precentral/ Dec 16 00:00:53 frigin splits Dec 16 00:00:55 they over with? Dec 16 00:00:57 whats good? Dec 16 00:01:30 lost my usb Dec 16 00:01:34 fmy Dec 16 00:03:08 * linuxjacques really is much happier now with JOINS and PARTS messages disabled. Dec 16 00:16:41 dBsooner, you do it? Dec 16 00:17:44 not yet Dec 16 00:17:47 i ain't off work yet Dec 16 00:18:11 oh I thought you were itching to do something a little ago Dec 16 00:18:21 no.. tonight when I get home Dec 16 00:19:44 well I'll just do it now Dec 16 00:20:18 ok Dec 16 00:20:24 see pm Dec 16 00:22:18 linuxjacques: there's a webos-internals google group too, which has some of the freesmartphone.org guys on it. that would be a good place to discuss the OE setup Dec 16 00:27:04 rwhitby: thanks. I will join. Dec 16 00:32:31 I see there's already a "Building OE for Palm Pre" thread Dec 16 00:39:30 I'm heading out. Going to a place where I *should* have reliable internet / wifi. Dec 16 00:41:10 hey puff Dec 16 00:44:22 i got that patch working Dec 16 00:44:30 i just dont know how to package it Dec 16 00:54:30 http://www.dbsooner.com/webospatchupload.php Dec 16 01:01:14 * rwhitby listens to palmcast live - find me in http://chatroll.com/palmcast-live/embed Dec 16 01:11:07 gak. palmcast chat wont let me in... Dec 16 01:19:51 hmm Dec 16 01:20:01 if u setup voicemail box to google Dec 16 01:20:08 can you delete and move back to sprint? Dec 16 02:30:28 Anyone here happen to translate italian? lol JW :p Dec 16 02:32:07 google translate Dec 16 02:32:29 Just looking for a more native translation, but it was worth a shot Dec 16 02:37:11 mechanical turk? Dec 16 02:37:26 there are also translation services online but $ Dec 16 02:45:14 anyone here that can help me determine why my /dev/mapper/store-root mounted on / is at 99% full, I think its causing other issues, like not being able to apply the iphone spoof patch **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Dec 16 02:59:57 2009