**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Dec 21 02:59:57 2009 Dec 21 03:00:21 tmzt: i already said its plain text Dec 21 03:00:27 tmzt: i dont need a hex editor Dec 21 03:00:41 and by looking at the data i can tell what each colum is Dec 21 03:00:53 pain text, oops missed that Dec 21 03:02:06 so the questions was is anyone recognsized the exention Dec 21 03:10:32 stik: what device are you on? Dec 21 03:12:02 On my droid atm... doctoring my pre.. Dec 21 03:12:56 ah Dec 21 03:12:58 ok Dec 21 03:13:52 * PuffTheMagic trys to resist asking why someone has a droid and a pre Dec 21 03:14:16 Pre for work Droid for play Dec 21 03:14:21 I'm going to buy one as well Dec 21 03:14:40 I'm a device whore tho. and I like hardware hacking. Dec 21 03:15:00 likes omap3 Dec 21 03:15:10 the buy a beagle board Dec 21 03:15:14 not a cell phone Dec 21 03:15:42 I'd dump the Droid before I dumped my pre though Dec 21 03:16:03 I guess the beagle board is a better deal than the various OMAP3 gumstix Dec 21 03:16:05 really Stik? the reviews I read said droid was way more polished than the pre Dec 21 03:16:46 do they have hdmi/dvi? Dec 21 03:16:49 PrototypicLaptop: it's all based on what you look for in a phone Dec 21 03:16:55 android phones are confusing Dec 21 03:16:57 the ones i've used Dec 21 03:17:03 i didnt know what to do with them Dec 21 03:17:06 too busy Dec 21 03:17:11 interesting I hadnt heard of the beagleboard Dec 21 03:17:13 tmzt, I don't think so Dec 21 03:17:14 and non-intuitive UI Dec 21 03:18:01 PrototypicLaptop: i wrote a touchscreen media player that uses xmms2 that is driven/powerd by a beagle board :D Dec 21 03:18:07 tmzt, but you can get carrier board which take touchscreen LCDs Dec 21 03:18:13 PrototypicLaptop: its in my car :D Dec 21 03:18:20 hot Dec 21 03:18:22 well it was in my old car Dec 21 03:18:24 not in my new one Dec 21 03:18:32 about 10 years ago Dec 21 03:18:33 not hacking up the dash for that Dec 21 03:18:51 I installed a tower in my car to beat some guys at #mp3car at getting an mp3pc in their car Dec 21 03:19:03 it was so ghetto but I won the race Dec 21 03:19:08 arm carpc is cool Dec 21 03:19:17 beats the power issues with x86 Dec 21 03:19:24 It is more polished but the keyboard sucks and nothing beats the cards in webos Dec 21 03:19:36 PrototypicLaptop: before i upgraded to the beagle board it was powered by via epia mini itx box Dec 21 03:19:49 Stik: so how is that more polished? Dec 21 03:19:54 I want droid to run mer Dec 21 03:20:19 Kevin2 just reported an epia-cn booting to grub in 745ms Dec 21 03:20:22 milliseconds Dec 21 03:20:34 but that in your car! Dec 21 03:20:39 Stik: can you explain what goes into your view of what "polished" means Dec 21 03:20:53 (in #coreboot) Dec 21 03:25:26 Interface runs much smoother than the pre. Pre seems more intuitive but is lacking in areas. Webos is young and has a way to go. You are making me type on this crappy keyboard :P Dec 21 03:26:11 I hate that I have to reboot the pre so often Dec 21 03:26:16 it 's so laggy Dec 21 03:26:24 webos is no younger than android in it's current form Dec 21 03:26:58 so you are saying that a fast and hard to use UI is "more polished" than a easy to use semi fast ui Dec 21 03:27:00 ? Dec 21 03:27:28 I don't need to reboot my pre much. I actually get more app crashes on the Droid also. Dec 21 03:37:51 oooh Dec 21 03:40:38 much easier to type on this Dec 21 03:42:29 lot more done with wirc since I used it last Dec 21 03:42:38 wirc is win Dec 21 03:42:47 i agree Dec 21 03:43:05 easier than droid? droid kbd might be narrow but it's still wider than pre Dec 21 03:44:10 yeah but there is no space between the keys. hard to tell one from the other Dec 21 03:45:41 nodoze ftw Dec 21 03:47:36 plus on droid side is you can't fry eggs on it after heavy use Dec 21 03:47:51 I used raph500 for a year you get used to it Dec 21 03:51:25 yes nodoze kicks ass Dec 21 03:52:02 now have touch pro 2 with separate keys though Dec 21 03:52:06 I have to quit caffiene Dec 21 03:52:19 I just had a kidney stone and was in extreme pain for past 3 weeks Dec 21 03:52:23 half life 6.5 hours learn this yesterday Dec 21 03:54:13 verizon is a rape job with its fees I only went 1yr Dec 21 03:54:37 kidney stones :( that sucks Dec 21 03:57:11 Hi all, has anyone tried the lower swap threshold patch yet? Dec 21 03:58:44 its not gonna make your pre run faster Dec 21 03:59:34 what about the gpu enable patchj? Dec 21 03:59:35 xD Dec 21 03:59:39 I was just wondering what others were experiencing. Dec 21 03:59:53 there's a gpu patch? Dec 21 04:00:17 is there a driver as well? Dec 21 04:00:17 lol Dec 21 04:00:18 The consensus in the forum thread is that it did make things faster... Dec 21 04:00:25 what webos doctor do you use for a pre thats in spain with qwerty unlocked? Dec 21 04:02:47 like what you all did with the user list Dec 21 04:02:59 on wirc that is Dec 21 04:03:30 yeah, that guy who wrote it must be pretty awesome Dec 21 04:03:55 lol Dec 21 04:05:41 musta been puff or egaudet :P Dec 21 04:05:47 lol Dec 21 04:06:40 gj looking good Dec 21 04:09:01 this person im talking with wants to turn a spain GSM Pre and change the APN settings to make it work with t-mobile. Is that even possible? Dec 21 04:28:39 how long does it take to get a patch from submission and into Preware? Dec 21 05:04:42 ok I'm confused. when you click an email attachment you get a progress bar Dec 21 05:05:07 while it downloads? Dec 21 05:05:26 right. where does it go? Dec 21 05:05:38 to the downloads folder on the media partition? Dec 21 05:06:01 not my attatchments :/ weird. Dec 21 05:06:18 well at least I know they are _supposed_ to go there. that's a start Dec 21 05:06:33 i was only assuming, i don't _know_ Dec 21 05:06:48 i think i remember an image attachment i downloaded going in there Dec 21 05:07:50 weird. Dec 21 05:07:55 well, thanks. Dec 21 05:21:37 aww we need a timer for the camera Dec 21 05:23:47 its not like you can set it up and get in the picture if there was a timer... Dec 21 05:24:14 yes i can :) Dec 21 05:25:56 some sort of clamp? Dec 21 05:25:56 lol Dec 21 05:25:57 the work is in the wiki page, i wonder why its not a patch Dec 21 05:26:41 haha, last modified Aug 2. That might present a problem. Dec 21 06:01:01 hi all Dec 21 06:01:12 can anyone help me? Dec 21 06:01:23 possibly Dec 21 06:01:28 I am trying to update my new Palm Pre from Telcel from 1.2.5 to 1.3.1 Dec 21 06:01:36 is it possible to do that? Dec 21 06:01:53 version shipped with Telcel is currently 1.2.5 and there are no links in the Telcel webpage for updating Dec 21 06:02:51 I mean, is there any page where I can download the rom image and then install it manually? (pre update function does not show any updates) Dec 21 06:03:57 i dont know if that works or not Dec 21 06:04:20 i mean, there is a page were you can find the roms Dec 21 06:04:43 but, i dont know if 131 works on your pre Dec 21 06:05:43 ok... the WebOSDoctor page shows 1.2.5 for Telcel only Dec 21 06:05:48 and 1.3.1 for Sprint Dec 21 08:11:35 geist: as you are responsible for kernel and low level development at Palm, are you also involved in modem stuff? Dec 21 08:20:37 there's some documentation done on the protocol Dec 21 08:20:46 at freesmartphone.org Dec 21 08:20:57 tmzt: I have done this research :) Dec 21 08:21:49 ah nice to meet you? Dec 21 08:21:53 ah nice to meet you Dec 21 08:21:54 :) Dec 21 08:22:00 what have you found then Dec 21 08:22:09 some more Dec 21 08:22:27 will publish the results on the webos-internals wiki page Dec 21 08:22:30 very gobe like? qmi qmux etc. Dec 21 08:22:45 qmi, qmu? Dec 21 08:22:50 s/qmu/qmux/ Dec 21 08:22:51 morphis meant: qmi, qmux? Dec 21 08:23:18 have you seen the gobe source at codeaurora.org? Dec 21 08:23:22 no Dec 21 08:23:32 whats gobe? Dec 21 08:23:48 gobi sorry Dec 21 08:24:09 the name for some qualcomm modem cards for laptops Dec 21 08:24:15 ah ok Dec 21 08:24:22 also a binary protocol used to interface those to usb Dec 21 08:24:39 and that looks very similar to what Palm uses? Dec 21 08:25:16 haven't seen your latest Dec 21 08:26:22 I don't know, trying to understand the relationship of the various protocols Dec 21 08:27:08 egaudet: just EPR or the whole autopatch feed for testing? Dec 21 08:27:42 tmzt: as what I found it the protocol they are using is very similar to some stuff in HDLC framing and HCI (Bluetooth) Dec 21 08:28:20 sure Dec 21 08:28:53 hm, I took a short look at codeaurora.org but don't found anything related to the Palm stuff Dec 21 08:28:57 but qmux qdm/diag and qmi are also Dec 21 08:29:17 similar to hdlc I mean Dec 21 08:29:19 hm Dec 21 08:29:26 do you have some links for me? Dec 21 08:29:26 at the gobi driver? Dec 21 08:29:39 I only found the usb/serial driver Dec 21 08:29:45 but nothing about a real protocol in it Dec 21 08:30:00 https://www.codeaurora.org/wiki/GOBI_Releases ? Dec 21 08:31:33 https://www.codeaurora.org/patches/quic/gobi/ Dec 21 08:31:35 hmm Dec 21 08:31:40 ah ok Dec 21 08:31:43 wait Dec 21 08:31:52 I looked in the wrong directory :) Dec 21 08:33:18 but I don't find anything HDLC related Dec 21 08:34:47 what do you find? Dec 21 08:35:02 QCSerial2k and QCUSBNet2k Dec 21 08:35:27 ok Dec 21 08:35:32 and over that? Dec 21 08:35:42 what brings up the connection, etc. Dec 21 08:35:53 it's usb configuration stuff Dec 21 08:43:57 tmzt: do found something else? Dec 21 08:54:01 egaudet: updated Dec 21 08:58:51 no sorry Dec 21 08:59:51 hm Dec 21 09:00:05 morphis: dont deal with the modem Dec 21 09:00:27 geist: hm ok, but do know anything about the protocol which webOS uses for communication with the modem? Dec 21 09:00:38 s/but do/but do you/ Dec 21 09:00:39 morphis meant: geist: hm ok, but do you know anything about the protocol which webOS uses for communication with the modem? Dec 21 09:01:26 on which device? Dec 21 09:01:31 Pre Dec 21 09:01:34 no Dec 21 09:01:36 hm Dec 21 09:01:55 do you know somebody who might know something about it? Dec 21 09:01:56 control stuff over serial, bulk of the data over usb Dec 21 09:02:01 no. it's proprietary Dec 21 09:02:06 hm ok Dec 21 09:02:11 blame qualcomm Dec 21 09:02:22 developed by Palm or Qualcomm? Dec 21 09:02:24 they're all kinds of proprietary Dec 21 09:02:26 QC Dec 21 09:02:30 damn it Dec 21 09:02:42 though i suspect we tweaked it quite a bit. i believe we have a source license and the modem team hacks on it some Dec 21 09:02:53 ah ok Dec 21 09:02:53 the stuff that runs on the modem, that is Dec 21 09:03:22 same applies to pixi, but it's a different modem chip, and it uses a shared memory protocol to speak to the other core Dec 21 09:03:29 they're sharing the same memory bank, the two cpus Dec 21 09:03:34 ah ok Dec 21 09:03:46 so we have to working on reverse engineering the protocol ... Dec 21 09:04:22 but it's good to hear, that the protocol is developed by QC, so it might be used in some other devices with a QC modem Dec 21 09:04:40 geist: is there anybody from the modem team on the irc channel? Dec 21 09:06:08 not that i know of Dec 21 09:06:11 ok Dec 21 09:06:25 and anyway, the protocol between the modem and webos is probably the most protected thing we have Dec 21 09:07:08 not that it's magic or anything, just, you know Dec 21 09:07:16 yeah I know Dec 21 09:07:22 it seems to be very simple Dec 21 09:07:30 but has a lot of configuration parameters :) Dec 21 09:07:50 an that causes a lot of work for us Dec 21 09:08:03 yep, and it's likely to change at any time Dec 21 09:08:16 QC loves autogenerating shared protocols Dec 21 09:08:35 so that enumerations can change between releases, etc Dec 21 09:08:39 it's a nightmare to maintain Dec 21 09:08:42 but it's the question if you change the protocol on the Palm Pre from one to next day Dec 21 09:08:51 really? Dec 21 09:08:53 i suspect it might Dec 21 09:09:04 so from 1.3 to 1.4 of webOS? Dec 21 09:09:10 who knows Dec 21 09:09:28 but if the modem team switches to a new release of the modem from QC, it's entirely likely everything will chance Dec 21 09:09:36 because a lot of the protocol is autogenerated, i believe Dec 21 09:09:51 so as long as both sides of code move simultaneously, it doesn't matter Dec 21 09:10:23 the modem team is responsible for firmware buidls on the modem and the TIL on webos Dec 21 09:10:45 so the protocol between the TIL and the modem is not considered to be something that has to be fixed in stone Dec 21 09:10:57 as long as the TIL exports the same interface, essentially webos is not supposed to care how the modem works Dec 21 09:11:29 webOS doen't care, but we, the people who want to bring other software as webOS to the Palm Pre Dec 21 09:11:47 of course Dec 21 09:11:52 but i can't help you there Dec 21 09:12:01 just trying to tell you how it is, not how it should be or how to change it Dec 21 09:12:26 yeah I know Dec 21 09:12:42 and i'm *definitely* not helping you figure out the protocol Dec 21 09:12:43 but it's a good information that the protocol payload can change from release to release Dec 21 09:12:55 cause that sort of stuff is usually very sensitive Dec 21 09:13:02 geist: no, that isn't the thing I want you to do :) Dec 21 09:13:18 just some help to get some information bit together Dec 21 09:13:23 s/bit/bits/ Dec 21 09:13:26 morphis meant: just some help to get some information bits together Dec 21 09:16:52 geist: thank you for this informations :) Dec 21 09:58:45 morphis: I wonder if you guys can hook in at the TIL layer, but I guess that then becomes another problem because you cannot redistribute the TIL binary from Palm. Dec 21 09:59:04 rwhitby: jepp Dec 21 09:59:18 and thats all a bit hackisch Dec 21 09:59:23 no clean solution Dec 21 09:59:53 and we want to push our own solution, the freesmartphone framework Dec 21 09:59:59 not some solution from palm Dec 21 10:02:19 morphis: understood. Dec 21 10:02:35 rwhitby: but maybe we get it working Dec 21 10:02:52 * rwhitby goes back to cross compiling the lunaservice dummy link library for the autobuilder so we can have zenity on the Pre Dec 21 10:02:55 I made some more research last week and discover a little bit more from the frame structure Dec 21 10:06:15 I'm thinking of patching openssh to keep the Pre awake (but screen off) when there is an active ssh connection. Dec 21 10:07:30 morphis: it must be fun, but sometimes frustrating, reverse engineering the binary protocol ... Dec 21 10:08:54 rwhitby: you say it .. Dec 21 10:09:08 and I am currently the only one who is working active on this Dec 21 10:09:11 i'm a bit bummed that folks stopped trying to reverse novacom Dec 21 10:09:18 i was totally enjoying the hell out of that Dec 21 10:09:30 :) Dec 21 10:09:51 otoh i dont work on novacom anymore. handed all of that off to another team Dec 21 10:10:01 and it's really hard to give it up without just totally being hands off Dec 21 10:12:23 geist: you just made it too easy to use the novacom drivers as they are ... Dec 21 10:12:51 aside from all the bumps with various versions of windows and whatnot Dec 21 10:13:51 geist: right now I'm looking at doing a port of zenity to webOS, so that postinst scripts can ask the user questions. Dec 21 10:14:53 the linux part would pass the zenity arguments up to a webos app through the launch commands, and have a dbus service where the app can return the result, with a hash to make sure that another rogue webos app has not intercepted Dec 21 10:15:44 (much like we do the postinst execute confirmation in ipkgservice) Dec 21 10:22:33 geist: another question, this time about kernel stuff :) Dec 21 10:22:45 webOS distributes the sd8xxx and bridgedriver modules Dec 21 10:23:01 they are both with MODULE_LICENSE gpl builded Dec 21 10:23:25 ohyeah? Dec 21 10:23:37 but Palm Opensource Support told me that they cannot publish the sources as they are licenced by Palm from Marvell and are not GPL Dec 21 10:23:54 i'll ask Dec 21 10:24:17 great Dec 21 10:24:28 we (the kernel team) don't write those two drivers Dec 21 10:24:34 ok Dec 21 10:24:35 that's precisely why they're modules in the first place Dec 21 10:25:11 but if there are under a certain licence and not GPL they should report GPL as used licence Dec 21 10:25:33 I'll have to check into i Dec 21 10:25:57 trouble is of course if you write a module and declare you're not GPL you can't use half the kernel api Dec 21 10:26:23 yeah, but then you have to report another licence and not GPL Dec 21 10:26:36 probably Dec 21 10:27:12 I already talked with some people which a familiar with that stuff and they told me that I am right Dec 21 10:27:28 course i dont know what then just keeps us from changing the apis that are exported to be non gpl Dec 21 10:27:33 since we post the source to that Dec 21 10:27:40 to what? Dec 21 10:27:52 stuff exported EXPORT_GPL Dec 21 10:28:03 ah Dec 21 10:28:22 but the two modules uses EXPORT_GPL stuff Dec 21 10:28:32 so no way around the GPL Dec 21 10:28:33 right, but against the kernel we build Dec 21 10:28:38 and are free to modify Dec 21 10:28:45 including changing what is exported to be not EXPORT_GPL Dec 21 10:28:49 or at least that's how i read it Dec 21 10:29:06 jep, when you modified the two modules to use no EXPORT_GPL stuff you are fine Dec 21 10:29:17 what as I though it isn't so Dec 21 10:29:18 yeah, but that may be impossible and still work Dec 21 10:29:29 but really, i'll ask Dec 21 10:29:37 i have no idea what is in either of those two drivers Dec 21 10:29:49 well, the bridgedriver i do, it's code from TI Dec 21 10:30:00 and it's been gpled Dec 21 10:30:03 ah ok Dec 21 10:30:10 however, i suspect we got it from TI under another license Dec 21 10:30:12 and you didn't modificate it? Dec 21 10:30:32 oh we modified the hell out of it, since the original driver was an unusable unstable mess Dec 21 10:31:27 why we dont dump the source i dont know Dec 21 10:31:33 hm ok Dec 21 10:31:41 i know us on the kernel team are trying to be transparent Dec 21 10:31:49 but not all of the teams share the same sentiment, i believe Dec 21 10:31:53 :) Dec 21 10:32:04 cause you are close to the linux origin :) Dec 21 10:32:17 well, we *have* to be transparent anyway, which is a nice forcing function Dec 21 10:32:37 but you know, could be a total pita when you modify the kernel and still be technically compliant Dec 21 10:32:54 like obfuscate all the code, remove licenses, etc Dec 21 10:32:58 :) Dec 21 10:33:04 but you'd get serious crap from the community Dec 21 10:33:10 and we have no interest at all in any of that Dec 21 10:33:21 there's no secret sauce to linux kernel and platform support Dec 21 10:34:05 it also pays off, it's kind of freeing to have your code eventually have to be open sourced Dec 21 10:34:49 keeps away the temptation to take your stuff and make a little walled box of proprietary Dec 21 10:35:12 and when dealing with other teams that are less open source friendly you have the ultimate bargaining chip: you have no choice Dec 21 10:35:44 so bad? Dec 21 10:35:53 no, good Dec 21 10:36:17 as in, we have to do it this way because we have to so you can't force us to do something we dont want Dec 21 10:36:30 like add a bunch of proprietary crap to the kernel, etc Dec 21 10:36:42 yeah ok, but the other teams I meant Dec 21 10:36:52 beats m Dec 21 10:37:02 me, I've gone pretty much totally into the hypothetical at this point Dec 21 10:37:12 i'm not saying theres any particular problem or anything Dec 21 10:37:28 ok Dec 21 10:37:28 i'm just saying that negotiations as to how to do things are much simpler when you deal with kernel + gpl Dec 21 10:37:40 there's only one way to do it so no point wasting time discussing it Dec 21 10:38:19 thats the other way, when you write software for linux for the userland Dec 21 10:38:46 yep Dec 21 10:38:48 anyway, sleep Dec 21 10:38:51 it's nearly 3am Dec 21 10:39:18 yeah, here it 11am :) Dec 21 10:39:26 so good night Dec 21 10:41:07 FRRRRRRRRRRRREDDDO!!!! Dec 21 13:06:59 nebula: book arrived, thanks. Dec 21 13:07:10 woohoo! Dec 21 13:07:17 no problem! Dec 21 13:07:29 kamasutra? Dec 21 13:07:31 :> Dec 21 13:07:31 I think my first webOS app might be a port of zenity Dec 21 14:50:38 hi all Dec 21 14:51:01 i'm searching a rss feed app.. any idea? Dec 21 14:55:23 Feeds Dec 21 14:56:51 in preware? Dec 21 14:58:11 can't find it Dec 21 14:58:51 app Dec 21 14:59:03 not in preware Dec 21 15:00:03 ok.. then bad news.. in appcatalog I have not mutch apps, cause ivanst i'm in switzerland Dec 21 15:00:23 that stinks Dec 21 15:00:41 jep Dec 21 15:02:54 who is the man/woman behind ez-ipupdate? Dec 21 15:04:00 dBsooneru got a couple mins Dec 21 15:05:11 is there a way to get the fileurl of Feeds so I can manually install it ;) Dec 21 15:05:35 noaXess_kubuntu its a paied app Dec 21 15:06:03 shi...... is there no free rss reader? Dec 21 15:06:20 i believe they r all paied now Dec 21 15:06:25 feeds was free Dec 21 15:07:44 grrrr need to make one for free and post it for preware Dec 21 16:08:18 rwhitby: Ping me when you come around. I am trying to make sense of what you did in gitorious/modifications and the build script for autopatch. I show you making a lot of changes in mods, but only adding/changing 2 Makefiles in autopatch. A lot of what you added, I had already done. But I am confused on why there are so many changes... Blah.. just ping me. :D Dec 21 16:15:27 dBsooner: why isn't Hide App Vendors on preware yet? Dec 21 16:16:46 because I had more important things to do this weekend? Dec 21 16:17:13 Like spend time with my family because my daughters had their very first sleepover? Dec 21 16:17:18 fair enough. Dec 21 16:17:22 :) Dec 21 16:17:40 hi everyone Dec 21 16:23:19 dBsooner is now known as dBlater :) Dec 21 16:23:31 lol Dec 21 16:23:42 dBhater Dec 21 16:23:55 morning...I just couldn't resist Dec 21 16:24:20 morning.. it's ok, most can't. Dec 21 16:33:30 hey PuffTheMagic you around Dec 21 16:38:42 ummmmmmm Dec 21 16:38:46 yeah Dec 21 16:40:20 do jquery magic work with webos? Dec 21 16:40:28 like $('.palm-group.title').html("My text is changed!"); Dec 21 16:41:39 PrototypicLaptop: webOS includes prototype.js Dec 21 16:42:06 you can bundle jQuery with a webOS app if you desire, and use its noConflict mode. Dec 21 16:42:50 interesting Dec 21 16:43:04 i dont like prototype as much as jquery ill have to try that out Dec 21 16:43:07 prototype.js has a $ method already... not completely compatible with jQuery's. Dec 21 16:43:37 yea iv used both togather before, I have a plugin that loads jquery into youtube for me Dec 21 16:43:54 Yeah, I'm much more well-acquainted with jQuery than with prototype, but you probably ought to know both. Dec 21 16:44:00 I then use the jquery to do some annotation work for me Dec 21 16:48:03 quick question, I am trying to set up my phone so I can use ftp to transfer music directly to the media partition, but I can't seem to get access to it Dec 21 16:48:14 ive set up the openssh sftp server Dec 21 16:55:11 EPR let me down :( my phone is temporarily in paperweight mode Dec 21 16:55:50 wtf is a paperweight mode Dec 21 16:56:11 lol Dec 21 16:56:15 think about it Dec 21 16:56:39 i can't do anything else with it Dec 21 16:58:21 i had to picture it in my head Dec 21 16:58:22 :P Dec 21 16:58:37 lol Dec 21 16:58:59 EPR failed for its creator? wow Dec 21 16:59:05 my resistance to it is justified Dec 21 16:59:15 ;D Dec 21 16:59:16 Well this is the major upgrade testing Dec 21 16:59:25 It's not the publicly released one that works Dec 21 16:59:33 excuses, excuses Dec 21 16:59:34 ;) Dec 21 16:59:35 This was my first test of EPR 2.0.0 with aupt Dec 21 16:59:37 :P Dec 21 16:59:50 hehe u rock Dec 21 16:59:51 ;) Dec 21 17:00:36 And now my screen has the device menu stuck open but nothing is functional and I can't do anything. So I got no phone until I can get home and fix it tonight :( Dec 21 17:07:02