**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Dec 24 02:59:57 2009 Dec 24 05:12:16 can meta doctor enable the gps without data? Dec 24 05:19:38 I don't think so. Dec 24 05:20:33 I don't see anything about that in its Makefile Dec 24 05:23:10 I am going snowboarding tomorrow and I am trying to figure out if there is a way to track where I go Dec 24 06:17:39 meta doctor can't do that stuff Dec 24 06:17:52 So I just took a touchstone apart ... Dec 24 06:22:46 is there a PIC in it ? Dec 24 06:27:05 i dont think it's a pic Dec 24 06:27:11 but there's a micro in there, i'm pretty sure Dec 24 06:36:30 i thought it was a pic from the teardown i saw on ifixit a while ago Dec 24 06:37:33 http://s1.guide-images.ifixit.com/igi/WSAkIYKUHBdyT5fA.huge - yeah, that's a pic .. Dec 24 06:38:11 looks like this guy: http://www.microchip.com/wwwproducts/Devices.aspx?dDocName=en010271 Dec 24 06:40:23 kk, could be Dec 24 06:40:51 bpadalino: uploading photos slowly to http://www.nslu2-linux.org/gallery/touchstone Dec 24 06:41:13 the gecko feet bottom ripped to shreds :( Dec 24 06:41:48 aww, the gecko feet are the best part Dec 24 06:42:24 I was hoping to fix the charging cycling problem Dec 24 06:42:44 it seems that putting a sheet of paper folded twice between the touchstone and Pre fixes it Dec 24 06:42:47 palm has brought back poaching geckos for their feet .. high demand on the black market Dec 24 06:42:56 cycling problem ? Dec 24 06:43:17 yeah, when it gets to 100%, the Pre keeps cycling between charging and not charging Dec 24 06:43:32 oh, whoops .. someone forgot to put some hysteresis in there Dec 24 06:43:48 it's a well documented problem, and Palm/Sprint is replacing touchstones in the thousands apparently Dec 24 06:44:28 PreCentral agreed to send me a replacement at no cost, free shipping, with no questions asked. Hence this one being available for surgery. Dec 24 06:44:31 ah, so it would switch to not-charging while on the touchstone back to charging, rapidly ? Dec 24 06:44:37 yep Dec 24 06:44:48 and putting a sheet of paper folded twice in the way fixes it Dec 24 06:44:52 interesting - definitely haven't seen that with mine .. guess i'm one of the lucky ones Dec 24 06:45:14 i wonder if that forces more of a trickle charge? doesn't make sense, tho Dec 24 06:45:17 it seems to be most prevalent with touchstones bought on their own, the "second touchstone" pack, without the charging back Dec 24 06:46:13 insomnia tonight is really no good :( Dec 24 06:46:28 I think the second stand-alone one I bought also has the problem, but I couldn't bring myself to ask PreCentral for two replacements in two days ... (especially since I was using their donation to buy them ...) Dec 24 06:46:56 but it's mounted in the car, so the charging cycling actually helps to keep the screen on :-) Dec 24 06:47:28 heh .. hows the car charging? no slippage while going over some bumps ? Dec 24 06:48:25 yeah, quite stable Dec 24 06:48:38 the Pre is vertical Dec 24 06:49:51 so have you moved to the gsm pre as your primary phone ? Dec 24 06:50:13 yep Dec 24 06:50:23 Treo has been in the drawer for over a week now Dec 24 06:51:22 any hint of 'platform remorse' ? Dec 24 06:52:57 Apart from the keyboard, no. Dec 24 06:53:15 i have to say, the centro i was using for a little was pretty cute Dec 24 06:53:29 i feel a little guilty for not firing it up when i see it on the table Dec 24 06:53:49 I have Classic running (Motion Apps did a deal for me when I contacted them with my unable-to-buy story), so can run stuff from the Treo in a pinch. Dec 24 06:54:14 for a while i was using it as a pre battery charger, but at some point they change the size slightly so you can't really swap the batteries Dec 24 06:56:04 geist: so do you run a Pre or Pixi as your main phone? Dec 24 06:57:45 pre Dec 24 06:58:09 oh, is palm sending you off to CES? Dec 24 06:58:21 they are? Dec 24 06:58:23 that'd be cool Dec 24 06:58:30 i asked Dec 24 06:58:37 i guess that was for you geist Dec 24 06:58:38 sorry Dec 24 06:58:39 :( Dec 24 06:58:56 not sure palm would pay the $3k for rwhitby to fly up from .au Dec 24 06:59:02 :( Dec 24 06:59:08 though it would be pretty slick if they did Dec 24 06:59:50 If Palm was paying, I'd make time for that. Dec 24 07:00:13 Hey guys is there a way to bypass activation on palm pixi? Dec 24 07:00:22 Don't know if they'd get 3 grand of value out of it though ... Dec 24 07:00:43 rwhitby: i am sure any facetime with you as the main webos-internals rep is priceless :) Dec 24 07:01:19 not that palms success depends solely on the preware/homebrew stuff .. but it sure doesn't hurt Dec 24 07:01:50 pixi: I'd say there is, but you would need to get usbnet working as a default route out, and meta-doctor doesn't do that. Dec 24 07:02:18 (no reason why it couldn't, I just don't have a Pixi, so have no incentive to spend 6 hours getting it to work) Dec 24 07:02:26 rwhitby,i am convinced your main job title is webos evangelist as i have no idea what you could do with the rest of your time since you always seem to be working on this stuff Dec 24 07:03:18 bpadalino: office is shut down for the christmas break Dec 24 07:03:48 and rick_home has the WebOS Internals Evangelist title, not me. Dec 24 07:03:57 ah yes - he is definitely that Dec 24 07:04:01 ah - i wish i knew someone with sprint everything plam who can activate the pixie for me. so no guides available for bypass heh Dec 24 07:05:38 pixi: not for the pixi, no. Dec 24 07:06:27 pixi: but you could use the meta-doctor to activate developer mode out of the box, and then novaterm in, and use a usbnet guide to get that working, then set it as the default route, and then start the first use app. Dec 24 07:06:50 (at least that's how I'd approach the problem if someone sent me a Pixi) Dec 24 07:08:16 hmm ok, thanks Dec 24 07:08:45 * rwhitby continues to upload photos at 13kB/s ... Dec 24 07:10:27 terrible upload rate :( Dec 24 07:10:35 waiting for the pictures have me in such suspense Dec 24 07:13:14 There's about 20 photos in total. Dec 24 07:24:20 bpadalino: some photos of the PCB up now Dec 24 07:24:29 nice Dec 24 07:39:29 bpadalino: other side of PCB up Dec 24 07:41:17 excellent Dec 24 07:42:54 on that note - i think it's bed time for me Dec 24 07:42:54 night Dec 24 07:45:36 wirc needs timestamps Dec 24 07:46:06 jacques2: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/gallery/touchstone Dec 24 07:51:49 rwhitby: did you check out the logs from earlier today? Dec 24 07:52:01 jacques2: yep Dec 24 07:52:49 BTW I'm on to your devious plan Dec 24 07:53:47 you broke the preware build so that I would send you a ssh key so I could fix it Dec 24 07:54:43 jacques2: which bit did I break? Dec 24 07:54:46 I have generated a new key and will send it your way tomorrow from work Dec 24 07:55:19 and, yes, you've found me out. Dec 24 07:55:59 you added a glib.h dep in the exampleservice Makefile and missed the \\ on the previous line Dec 24 07:58:02 jacques2: ah Dec 24 07:58:37 never ascribe to deviousness what can adequately be explained by incompetence Dec 24 07:59:24 I know you're not incompetent lol Dec 24 08:00:04 tho I guess it could be a mere oversight :-) Dec 24 08:02:36 so is a webos service provider just a daemon which talks on dbus? Dec 24 08:03:33 jacques2: yep Dec 24 08:03:47 jacques2: did you see the touchstone surgery photos? they're all uploaded now. Dec 24 08:05:07 are there provisions for starting and stopping the provider? as in start when subscribed and stop when last subscription endsN Dec 24 08:05:43 let me go back to the browser card and look :-) Dec 24 08:07:13 jacques2: nope, it has to be running. You can start and stop with upstart. Dec 24 08:08:19 hmm I don't know much about upstart (yet) Dec 24 08:08:52 that would use the upstart trigger feature? Dec 24 08:09:21 heh you really tore up that poor touchstone Dec 24 08:12:19 this is really annoying. I have 5 bars of EVDO reception, yet when I use it as in downloading an image, it almost always drops down to Dec 24 08:12:43 1x RTT Dec 24 08:15:10 good morning/afternoon/day everyone. Dec 24 08:15:32 jacques2: the signal indicator sucks. Dec 24 08:15:42 Like it does on any mobile phone :p Dec 24 08:16:01 :-( Dec 24 08:17:14 ird: so maybe I don't have a great EVDO signal? OK Dec 24 08:17:39 Well that's my experience. Dec 24 08:17:45 I live in a place with bad coverage Dec 24 08:17:53 But it almost always says I have EVDO when I don't Dec 24 08:18:30 the browser really didn't like looking at those touchstone pictures Dec 24 08:19:16 ird: aha. well I guess it's not just my phone then Dec 24 08:19:56 Time for me to go stand in the cold for a bit. Dec 24 08:20:01 When I get back, I'll be much happier. Dec 24 08:20:14 Merry Christmas to me.. Dec 24 08:20:29 I was really happy that it seemed my home had great coverage but that now seems to not be the case Dec 24 08:21:28 now signal is jumping between one and five bars :-/ Dec 24 08:21:44 jacques2: your Pre doesn't want to display the slaughter of it's brethren Dec 24 08:21:55 we are under a tornado warning here Dec 24 08:22:26 all those electrons being pushed around by the winds ... Dec 24 08:22:30 rwhitby: yep it kept saying unable to display page Dec 24 08:23:13 it might be a memory resource issue because the first image displayed fine Dec 24 08:25:13 rwhitby: how should we approach the preware build compile flags issue? Dec 24 08:25:51 jacques2: we need a cross-compile.mk file in support to set stuff up which is used by the other Makefiles Dec 24 08:26:18 do testing and only enable hardware specific flags where there is a measurable performance increase? Dec 24 08:27:26 compiler options can be tricky. they are workload dependent, among other things Dec 24 08:28:36 sometimes an optimization increases code size and performance suffers due to cache effects, etc. Dec 24 08:30:00 rwhitby: agreed on having a central place for options so there is not massive redundancy in the various Makefiles Dec 24 08:30:57 but ideally we would not force compiler options for every package Dec 24 08:31:42 the package could use the default options from the central file if it doesn't care Dec 24 08:32:04 yep, and override after the include if desired Dec 24 08:32:20 but if necessary it should have an easy way to override Dec 24 08:32:28 yeah what you said Dec 24 08:32:52 I still can't type too fast on this keyboard Dec 24 08:32:58 heh Dec 24 08:33:53 I am starting to think a bit about performance metrics Dec 24 08:36:19 I gotta sleep soon. work in the morning and I need to get in early for a planning meeting Dec 24 08:37:18 rwhitby: where in Australia are you? what timezone? Dec 24 08:37:58 SA Dec 24 08:38:11 gmt+10:30 at the moment Dec 24 08:38:29 7:08 pm, xmas eve Dec 24 08:39:17 Merry Christmas :-) Dec 24 08:39:47 are services required to be stateless? Dec 24 08:40:31 no Dec 24 08:40:48 OK good Dec 24 08:41:07 e.g. wIRCd Dec 24 08:42:30 they can have multiple contexts? one per subscriber? Dec 24 08:42:58 are they required to support multiple subscribers? Dec 24 08:43:05 I guess so Dec 24 08:43:15 does anyone have a link to the Palm touchstone patent? Dec 24 08:43:18 hmm maybe this is all documented somewhere Dec 24 08:43:45 jacques2: libraries/lunaservice in our git repo Dec 24 08:43:58 I wonder what they patented Dec 24 08:44:48 rwhitby: thanks I'll check that out tomorrow Dec 24 08:46:21 wind is really blowing Dec 24 08:48:03 * jacques2 drifts off to sleep. Dec 24 08:55:47 * rwhitby bbt - merry christmas all Dec 24 15:48:37 so, once 1.3.5 is out, and after i've removed all my installed patches... i guess the existing patches won't apply to 1.3.5 anymore, right? Dec 24 15:54:37 i believe the people in the know get 1.3.5 beta so they can have the patches ready for when it gets pushed Dec 24 15:54:45 to make your experience as seamless as possible Dec 24 15:56:06 so, just to grasp it... the patches aren't binaries right? but basically simply source code diffs? Dec 24 15:56:49 yes - at least all that i know of .. but there is a capability for doing binary patching included in webos .. i don't think the internals guys have used it Dec 24 15:57:05 gotcha... Dec 24 15:57:25 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-patches/ Dec 24 15:57:37 where the preware patches come from Dec 24 15:57:44 oh :) 1.3.5 dir Dec 24 15:59:09 yep - so the right people who need the prerelease software have it .. Dec 24 15:59:15 so they are not blindsided Dec 24 15:59:42 that's pretty neat i have to admit Dec 24 16:00:05 having the sources to everything makes changing the core behaviour of the palm really easy Dec 24 16:01:11 it's nice for palm to see it more as a partnership with tinkerers than the illicit hacking of the devices Dec 24 16:02:12 refreshing if you've seen an iphone, heh Dec 24 16:02:38 i just hope they can really improve the battery life with 1.3.5... lotas Dec 24 16:02:54 there's a lot of stuff going on under that hood .. Dec 24 16:03:27 well, for once it's still running 2.6.24 right now. not sure if the cpuidle kernel improvement in 2.6.32 help for that platform (or if 1.3.5 even features a newer kernel) Dec 24 16:03:38 but seeing how they don't even use cpu scaling right now... i got my hopes up Dec 24 16:04:12 from my understanding, the governor of the cpu scaling is not too quick to act .. so by the time you wanted more cpu - it's already past it's usefulness Dec 24 16:04:18 and you'll just oscillate Dec 24 16:04:31 imaginable, yeah Dec 24 16:04:41 eg, the control loop is not tight enough to provide the on-demand processing power that cpu scaling would be helpful for Dec 24 16:04:44 :( Dec 24 16:05:42 is that a property of the cortex-a8 core? Dec 24 16:06:01 no, i think it's a property of TI's implementation of their cpu scaling stuff Dec 24 16:06:20 smart reflex i think is what they call it Dec 24 16:06:54 ah. it doesn't sound so smart Dec 24 16:08:08 maybe it's better in the omap4 Dec 24 16:08:10 for a seamless user experience, yeah - not too smart in that regard .. but i think in general it's a good idea Dec 24 16:08:57 well, there's this theory... if it's such a small operation that the smartreflex is too slow to react, the user wouldn't notice much of a difference with a slower scaled cpu anyways Dec 24 16:09:10 right Dec 24 16:09:12 and if it's a larger operation, then the cpu scaling kicks in in time Dec 24 16:09:13 I'm sorry. I came in on the tail end of your conversation, so I probably have no idea what I'm talking about. Dec 24 16:09:30 it's OK - we're all a bit clueless :) Dec 24 16:09:42 heh, indeed Dec 24 16:09:45 it's just a guess Dec 24 16:10:12 :) Dec 24 16:10:12 anyways, i got my hopes up as mentioned. right now the battery life really is too poor. can't even go 24h without recharging Dec 24 16:10:23 yeah i generally recharge every night Dec 24 16:10:42 might try turning down the brightness on the LCD a lot .. Dec 24 16:10:54 another thing i've read on precentral (iirc)... is that it's recommended to turn on wifi where it's available Dec 24 16:11:03 they claim it'd turn of 3g once it's connected via wifi Dec 24 16:11:10 I do know that at least for x86 stuff, it was determined empirically that the lowest power consumption comes from jacking the CPU up to its highest speed for very short periods of time. that's better than a lower speed for longer periods of time. Dec 24 16:11:13 weird thing is... i don't believe it, cause my palm stays connected via it's 3g ip Dec 24 16:12:01 but that requires fine grained control of the cpu freq Dec 24 16:12:19 linuxjacques: it all depends on how long it really takes perform the operation .. Dec 24 16:12:57 also depends if you're memory (throughput) or cpu constrained Dec 24 16:13:13 muesli: my phone does not appear to drop its 3g connection when connected via wifi. but it does add a route which causes it to prefer sending packets over the wifi. Dec 24 16:13:37 bpadalino|work: yes, what I said was for CPU constrained operations Dec 24 16:13:42 linuxjacques: same here, so the precentral tip for increasing battery life seems bollocks Dec 24 16:14:15 muesli: also, as you may know, when the screen blanks, the wifi connection drops (in 1.3.1) Dec 24 16:17:14 linuxjacques: yeah, noticed that Dec 24 16:46:32 Greetings room. Dec 24 16:48:03 hi Dec 24 16:48:09 Quick question if anyone is available: The install guides for Preware require the phone be put into developer mode. After installation does developer mode need to be left on? If not, does turning it off cause any problems, or loss of functionality? Dec 24 16:50:13 you can turn it off without loss of normal functionality .. Dec 24 16:50:49 developer mode enables you to connect the phone to your computer and communicate with it over a protocol which can put and get files from your device .. and interact with a terminal Dec 24 16:52:05 Interesting, so I can access my pre with a stty device in Dev mode? Dec 24 16:54:49 in dev mode, there is a special protocol called novacom which you can use a program supplied by palm called novaterm to get a terminal Dec 24 16:54:58 then you can type away at a root shell Dec 24 16:55:51 Thanks for the info, I was just wondering because I read a post about dev mode being a security risk. Consequently, I didn't want lot leave it in dev mode if I didn't need to, until I knew more abot what was going on... Dec 24 16:56:11 if you leave it in dev mode, and someone gets a hold of your phone - they can get a root shell Dec 24 16:56:33 but it's a physical security issue .. no remote exploits with dev mode (at least i think) Dec 24 16:56:39 Sounds like it could be a security issue if I lost my phone, but if it's not opening anything up to the network, I'm not as worried. Dec 24 16:57:41 howdy Dec 24 16:57:53 Physical security is key ;-) Same with my server farm, hard to penetrate from the network, but if you get physical accesss all bets are off. Thanks again! Dec 24 16:59:16 no problemo Dec 24 16:59:31 Even if you lost your phone, and they were smart enough to try and get a root shell on your phone... I'm sure they'd be able to figure out how to turn it on if it were off. Dec 24 17:00:47 ird: yeah, I was mostly worried if it was opening up something to the network. Or even running extra processes that would slow down the phone or leak memory. Dec 24 17:01:18 I don't use networks. Dec 24 17:01:25 All my stuff runs on a tin can and a string. Dec 24 17:01:33 ird: I figure if I lose it, even if I have a passcode on the thing, if someone is determined enough they're going to get in. Dec 24 17:01:46 ird: thats a good response time for can+string Dec 24 17:02:58 The shiniest cans work the best. Dec 24 17:03:31 succeptible to can-in-the-middle attacks Dec 24 17:03:38 ird: is that modem -> audio coupler -> can -> string -> computer? Dec 24 17:04:03 bpadalino|work: lol, you beat me to it. Dec 24 17:06:05 oops Dec 24 17:06:18 ird: string break? Dec 24 17:06:23 nice Dec 24 17:06:31 Crack head stole my can... Dec 24 17:06:44 And all my lighters :( Dec 24 17:07:19 The string didn't break until I choked him with it. Dec 24 17:07:49 I'm kidding... Dec 24 17:08:30 Hey at least they didn't steal all the copper out of your air conditioner like they did to me! Dec 24 17:08:49 so I installed Preware.. and when I goto run it, it gets stuck on loading package information from PreThemer.. and I am connected to a wifi network Dec 24 17:08:51 I had to sit outside of a crack house for 10 minutes one time. Dec 24 17:09:14 Sedorox: Try restarting Preware? Dec 24 17:09:19 If not, reboot. Dec 24 17:09:23 That happens to me sometimes :p Dec 24 17:09:35 have.. this is about the 5th time.. haven't tried a reboot yet.. tho I had to kill off Luna to get it to show up the first timer Dec 24 17:09:38 -r Dec 24 17:09:40 so I'll try a reboot Dec 24 17:10:16 ird: Do I want to know why you were sitting outside a crackhouse for 10 minutes? (I'm assuming it wasn't to buy crack.) Dec 24 17:10:28 Of course not. Dec 24 17:10:36 I was going to a party. Dec 24 17:10:49 And the person I had to ride with wanted to stop and give them some drinks... Dec 24 17:11:01 He used to hang out there, apparently. Dec 24 17:12:18 So back in the day my friends and I hung out with this fella named Scott. We all liked to party a lot, but nothing hard like crack... This scott guy was a little out there, but we all liked him well enough. The thing that sucked is that he lived way outside of town. Dec 24 17:13:46 He and I are hanging out one night and he decides to take a "short cut" to his house through the ghetto. I'm talking, all the street lights busted out, "OMG what am I doing here at 1am?" kind of ghetto. Dec 24 17:14:02 lol Dec 24 17:14:29 ird: restarted but still seems stuck there Dec 24 17:14:35 This dude rolls up on us at stop sign and says, "Yo man, you wanna buy some crack?", to which I replied "nah, I'm good." Dec 24 17:14:58 He looks at my buddy and says, "Oh damn, whassup scott!?" Dec 24 17:15:10 ... Dec 24 17:15:28 That was one of the last times I hung out with Scott... Dec 24 17:16:16 I rode a bus from Nashville to Pittsburgh once. The guy I sat with on the bus was awesome. Dec 24 17:16:56 But I was standing outside in KY and like 3 people tried to sell me crack. Then this guy in Pittsburgh tried selling me what looked like fake pine needles on a christmas tree. Dec 24 17:17:03 But it wasn't what he said it was :p Dec 24 17:18:58 Kind of sucks I had to come back. I liked Pa for some reason. Dec 24 17:19:29 depends where you go Dec 24 17:21:07 I was just in San Francisco a few weeks ago, and I have never seen so many bums in my life. In the Union park area they come at you every 30 seconds asking for money. The lucid ones were actually fairly entertaining to talk to but there were some wacked-out crazy ones. So I challenged myself to come up with different ways to tell them to go away without resorting to yelling or generally being rude. Dec 24 17:22:14 My favorite and the most effective on the crazy ones was, "I can't reach in my pockets, they're on fire" Dec 24 17:25:22 Nice chatting with you guys... Thanks again for the help bpadalino! Gotta run... Dec 24 17:25:29 Ah ha! there we go Dec 24 17:25:46 apparently I installed a old version.. ran the linux installer and it now works fine Dec 24 18:45:23 Just wanted to stop by (via the wIRC client) and say thanks for all you guys do! Dec 24 18:45:31 merry christmas Dec 24 19:44:41 What's the name of that software that 'doctors' a live filesystem? i.e. it compares checksums and offers to restore specific stuff Dec 24 20:50:19 tlp: WebOS Repair Utility? http://forums.precentral.net/canuck-software/204495-webos-repair-utility.html Dec 24 21:06:11 merry christmas rwhitby! What did Santa bring me? Dec 24 21:15:02 Merry Christmas dBsooner Dec 24 21:15:25 jacques: Christmas eve for me.. that's why I asked rwhitby what Santa brought me.. cuz it's Christmas morning there.. Dec 24 21:22:58 yep I think it's almost 8pm Christmas day where rwhitby is. Dec 24 21:30:35 lol I meant 8am Dec 24 21:38:27 destinal: ah, that was it. thanks Dec 24 22:06:10 holy crap my pre is slow Dec 24 23:35:37 morning Dec 24 23:37:31 muesli: when wifi is connected, data goes through it rather than 3g. thus saving the power of 3g transmission. Dec 24 23:50:43 rwhitby: gotcha, does that really save any power tho? Dec 24 23:51:17 wifi uses a lot less power than 3G. yes. Dec 24 23:51:22 muesli: using wifi is much more efficient than the modem Dec 24 23:52:20 transmitting a 3G signal is one of the most power-hungry things a Pre does. Dec 24 23:52:40 simple laws of physics dictate that Dec 24 23:53:40 heh fair enough, thanks :) Dec 24 23:53:55 anyone use that overclock patch? Dec 24 23:53:58 it should switch over to gsm / non-3g mode then when wifi is avail ;-) Dec 24 23:53:58 seems risky... Dec 24 23:54:17 muesli: it does switch to wifi when wifi is available Dec 24 23:54:50 it keeps the 3G connection alive (but not transmitting), and that takes negligible power to achieve Dec 24 23:55:02 ok, cool... thanks Dec 24 23:56:25 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/CPU_Frequency_or_Voltage_Scaling Dec 24 23:56:29 anyone? Dec 24 23:58:03 I think I'll wait till they fix the glitching part... Dec 24 23:58:42 nfo4286: depending on the characteristics of the specific silicon wafer and fabrication run that was used for the processor in your Pre, it will either work or be completely unstable. Dec 24 23:59:14 thats what i thought Dec 24 23:59:23 ...ive burnt a few gpus overclocking Dec 25 00:01:27 i dont really feel the need for more speed anyway just yet Dec 25 00:01:39 specialy once they unlock the gpu Dec 25 00:35:29 morning rwhitby Dec 25 00:35:37 hey jacques Dec 25 00:44:53 -7C, 40 MPH winds. six inches of snow on the ground, another six to twelve my tommorow afternoon. Dec 25 00:50:18 25degC, sunny :-) Dec 25 00:52:17 ok, time to get ready for christmas lunch - have a good day everyone. Dec 25 00:52:22 * rwhitby bbml Dec 25 00:52:53 1C, cloudy. Dec 25 02:15:21 looks like there's no rss reader for the pre yet? correct me if i'm wrong Dec 25 02:16:04 guess i'm just gonna start hacking on one to get me started with webos development Dec 25 02:32:16 muesli: cool, I would suggest google reader support Dec 25 02:35:02 well, let's get me started with plain rss / atom feeds :) Dec 25 02:35:26 but coming from c++ mostly and seeing how easy / straight forward the webos development seems to be Dec 25 02:35:49 i wonder why noone wrote an rss reader so far ;-) Dec 25 02:36:56 on the one hand it's refreshing to use html / js to write an app, on the other hand i never wanted to get back into web development and it feels a lot like it ;-) Dec 25 02:40:56 google reader is just atom Dec 25 02:41:12 tmzt: well that should be fairly easy to support then ;-) Dec 25 02:41:34 everything is just a tag like read or starred Dec 25 02:41:46 there's an api to add remove them as well as add remove feeds Dec 25 02:41:54 and get a list of the atom (translated) feeds Dec 25 02:42:05 the official client is an atom only reader in javascript Dec 25 02:43:06 just curious, is it tough to get apps into the official palm app catalog? or why are there so many more apps avail via preware? Dec 25 02:43:43 might be a regional problem, too... comming to think of it Dec 25 02:43:49 (being in germany right now) Dec 25 02:43:56 theres a homebrew c compiler right? Dec 25 02:44:19 the number of apps in the app catalog is 2.5x the number of apps in preware. Dec 25 02:44:38 Rick_work: woops. it's ~100 in the app catalog in germany Dec 25 02:44:41 nfo4286: huh? Dec 25 02:45:14 muesli check the list at webosschools.com catalog viewer Dec 25 02:45:52 Rick_work: dns error here Dec 25 02:45:57 typo? Dec 25 02:46:16 ah, webosschool.com i guess Dec 25 02:46:23 sorry. extra s Dec 25 02:47:26 strange. why do they block so many apps in europe then? Dec 25 02:47:41 only harms palm / the developers i would imagine Dec 25 02:47:50 also it's the first time i see a non-free app Dec 25 02:47:55 all the apps over here all free Dec 25 02:48:30 yeah, I have both US and EU Pre's and there's a big difference in app catalogs Dec 25 02:48:48 Preware has 1381, the app catalog has 882. How is that the app catalog having 2.5x as much? Dec 25 02:49:07 LurkerXXX___: that's not all _apps_ tho, right? Dec 25 02:49:15 and my US Pre has the lowest version flag set on it too, so I only see 500 there Dec 25 02:49:24 LurkerXXX___: of those 1381 it's prolly 800 themes ;-) Dec 25 02:49:26 true, lots are themes Dec 25 02:49:30 750+ themes Dec 25 02:49:41 917 themes :) Dec 25 02:50:15 lowest version? Dec 25 02:50:50 interesting... so according to the net, 1.3.1 crippled the european app catalog Dec 25 02:51:14 anyone knows the story behind that? just seems illogical to me Dec 25 02:59:07 if you run unreleased firmware, and access the catalog, your device gets a flag set in the app catalog Dec 25 02:59:31 the flag means that you only see apps that don't have a minimum version set **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Dec 25 02:59:57 2009