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Dec 28 03:04:59 <jacques> hmm, crosstool-ng 1.5.2 looks for: ver='\(GNU automake\) (1\.[[:digit:]]{2,}|[2-9][[:digit:]]*\.)'
Dec 28 03:06:40 <jacques> maybe I can just build my own toolchain :-\
Dec 28 03:08:02 <jacques> or modify optware to use a newer crosstool...
Dec 28 03:11:53 <jacques> got much farther now, but as I suspected the 1.4.1 defconfig isn't quite right for 1.5.2
Dec 28 03:21:51 <jacques> hmm, what's wrong with this picture... ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/linux-2.6.28.10.tar.bz2
Dec 28 03:40:54 <jacques> the gcc 4.2.1 link is also rotted in crosstool-ng
Dec 28 03:46:33 <rwhitby> jacques: sources.nslu2-linux.org/sources/<filename>
Dec 28 03:46:45 <rwhitby> should have every tarball that optware need
Dec 28 03:47:16 <jacques> nice
Dec 28 03:54:18 <jacques> heh the only thing I had lying around was the binutils, since it's recent
Dec 28 04:01:32 <jacques> sigh. crosstool-ng fail
Dec 28 04:03:21 <jacques> /home/packages/nslu2/optware-svn-20091227.a/i686g25/toolchain/build/targets/src/linux-2.6.28.10/scripts/unifdef.c:209: error: conflicting types for 'getline'
Dec 28 04:03:49 <jacques> I think it's polution from the build system
Dec 28 04:03:55 <jacques> pollution
Dec 28 04:04:13 <jacques> my headers are too new
Dec 28 04:06:20 <jacques> from the log: /usr/include/stdio.h:653: note: previous declaration of 'getline' was here
Dec 28 04:07:13 <jacques> if the host headers have to be compatible with the crosstool headers, what's the point?
Dec 28 04:22:54 <jacques> maybe I need an old distro running in a VM to build this toolchain
Dec 28 04:23:43 <rwhitby> I use ubuntu 9.10 server, and build it up from scratch with only what i need
Dec 28 04:27:18 <jacques> hmm, that should be almost as new as F12
Dec 28 04:27:46 <jacques> maybe I'm just not licking it right
Dec 28 04:28:53 <jacques> rwhitby: when you say "from scratch" you mean install the .debs you need right? not build your own .debs with different package versions than that's in the distro ?
Dec 28 04:29:33 <jacques> rwhitby: which version of glibc is on your build machine?
Dec 28 04:29:49 <rwhitby> jacques: I mean install ubuntu server base, then apt-get install any other packages needed for the compile
Dec 28 04:30:38 <jacques> maybe I should try this on my gentoo box; it only has glibc 2.9 while F12 has 2.11
Dec 28 04:30:43 <rwhitby> ii  libc6                             2.10.1-0ubuntu15                  GNU C Library: Shared libraries
Dec 28 04:31:59 <jacques> worth a shot I guess
Dec 28 04:32:52 * rwhitby bbl - beach
Dec 28 04:33:31 <jacques> have fun
Dec 28 04:39:38 <eno_> jacques: is the error rwhitby and you talked about like this: ImportError: /opt/lib/python2.5/site-packages/_dbus_bindings.so: undefined symbol: PyUnicodeUCS2_DecodeUTF8 ?
Dec 28 04:40:09 <jacques> eno_: I think it's exactly that
Dec 28 04:40:48 <eno_> very likely the UCS configuration of optware is set to UCS4
Dec 28 04:41:03 <eno_> which I don't remember the reason
Dec 28 04:41:28 <eno_> and during cross compilation, there was some mix-up
Dec 28 04:41:34 <rwhitby> nicode strings are stored internally as sequences of codepoints (to be precise as Py_UNICODE arrays). Depending on the way Python is compiled (either via --enable-unicode=ucs2 or --enable-unicode=ucs4, with the former being the default) Py_UNICODE is either a 16-bit or 32-bit data type.
Dec 28 04:41:52 <eno_> exactly
Dec 28 04:41:57 <Propri> Hello
Dec 28 04:41:59 <rwhitby> eno_: yep, that's it - spot on.  any way we can fix it for the module?
Dec 28 04:42:11 <jacques> aha, so the dbus module is expecting ucs2
Dec 28 04:42:40 <Propri> I have some question regarding Web OS kernel
Dec 28 04:42:42 <jacques> (maybe?)
Dec 28 04:42:56 <eno> it could also be that python host build is ucs2, and cross version ucs4
Dec 28 04:42:57 <jacques> hi Propri
Dec 28 04:43:16 <Propri> hi jacques
Dec 28 04:43:23 <jacques> eno: can python be queried to that faact?
Dec 28 04:44:09 <eno> there probably is a way to retrieve the build option
Dec 28 04:44:23 <eno> i'm trying to look at python25.mk
Dec 28 04:45:12 <Propri> I want to know if I can build my own Web Os kernel
Dec 28 04:45:29 <jacques> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Custom_Kernels
Dec 28 04:46:21 <rwhitby> Propri: what other embedded linux kernels have you built previously?
Dec 28 04:46:21 <eno> on line 163 of optware/make/python25.mk there's --enable-unicode=ucs4
Dec 28 04:47:07 <jacques> eno: is that for cross, native, or both?
Dec 28 04:47:36 <eno> jacques: cross only
Dec 28 04:48:15 <rwhitby> dbus-python has --disable-nls if that matters
Dec 28 04:48:16 <Propri> i have already buit an E17 debian
Dec 28 04:48:17 <eno> you can try rebuild python25 with --enable-unicode=ucs2, then rebuild python-dbus
Dec 28 04:48:46 <jacques> why not try to build python-dbus as ucs4 ?
Dec 28 04:48:48 <Propri> But i's my first on Embedded device
Dec 28 04:49:23 <eno> the key is try to find where the inconsistence happened
Dec 28 04:49:25 <jacques> will changing python break other modules ?
Dec 28 04:49:58 <eno> jacques: it very likely will, but I meant for experiment build it's okay
Dec 28 04:49:58 <jacques> maybe no other modules we are using use UCS ?
Dec 28 04:50:32 <rwhitby> eno: I've started such a build - will leave you guys to sort out the rest while I take the family to the beach ;-)
Dec 28 04:50:37 <eno> let me start a build of python-dbus and look closer at the logs and include files
Dec 28 04:51:18 <jacques> rwhitby: you have about 5 hours before sunset?
Dec 28 04:51:20 <eno> rwhitby: have fun
Dec 28 04:51:28 <rwhitby> jacques: yep
Dec 28 04:51:36 <rwhitby> just cooling down enough for the kids
Dec 28 04:51:37 <jacques> nice
Dec 28 04:51:51 <Propri> Jacues :Thank you for the link i am already on it
Dec 28 04:52:22 <jacques> Propri: have fun and if you break it we'll try to help
Dec 28 04:52:23 <rwhitby> now that I have the two toolchain experts on the case, I know I'll be able to run that dbus introspection script tonight :-)
Dec 28 04:52:41 <jacques> Propri: seriously you should always be able to recover with webosdoctor
Dec 28 04:52:56 <rwhitby> use the bootie mem command to test out a new kernel without flashing
Dec 28 04:53:10 <jacques> there's one of those? excellent
Dec 28 04:53:10 <Propri> Jacques thank you
Dec 28 04:53:18 <rwhitby> (just like the webos doctor does for the minimal initramfs)
Dec 28 04:53:34 <Propri> ok appreciate
Dec 28 04:53:56 * rwhitby bbl
Dec 28 04:54:24 * jacques goes to fight with crosstool-ng some more. this time, it's personal.
Dec 28 04:54:51 <Propri> coz I can be careless sometimes
Dec 28 04:57:07 <Propri> I have before sunset a  last question
Dec 28 04:58:30 <Propri> Is web os alloweb on Non palm device.??
Dec 28 04:59:42 <rwhitby> Propri: webOS is a proprietary operating system, so it is allowed on another device just as much as MacOSX is allowed on a non-mac device.
Dec 28 05:00:56 <Propri> ok i guess my classmate will have to wait until the pre will be available on france
Dec 28 05:01:51 <Propri> the pixi i mean
Dec 28 05:08:12 <Propri> thanks again for the help!!see ya
Dec 28 05:17:31 <jacques> well, ct-ng has gotten past its previous fail point on my gentoo box
Dec 28 05:58:41 <jacques> ct-ng build completed
Dec 28 06:48:27 <eno> jacques and rwhitby, I have a patch for the dbus-python problem
Dec 28 06:48:54 <eno> a while ago someone from this channel actually contributed a similar patch
Dec 28 06:49:11 <jacques> eno: ah :-)
Dec 28 06:49:17 <eno> it fixes python include path to use cross build
Dec 28 06:49:27 <eno> in dbus-python
Dec 28 06:49:42 <eno> it also allows dbus-python to build on x86_64
Dec 28 06:49:49 <eno> committing soon
Dec 28 06:50:37 <jacques> great
Dec 28 06:53:29 <eno> http://trac.nslu2-linux.org/optware/changeset/11038
Dec 28 07:16:10 <icarus> ok, i was installing optware and accidentally closed the terminal, halting before the process could be completed
Dec 28 07:16:29 <icarus> now my phone is acting a little jittery, glitching here and there...
Dec 28 07:16:34 <icarus> how fixable is this situation?
Dec 28 07:21:01 <jacques> rebooting didn't help?
Dec 28 07:21:17 <icarus> jacques: didnt seem to
Dec 28 07:21:24 <icarus> im redoing the process
Dec 28 07:21:31 <icarus> maybe that will clear things up
Dec 28 07:23:11 <jacques> what procedure were you following to do the install?
Dec 28 07:26:52 <icarus> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Next_steps
Dec 28 07:26:58 <icarus> jacques: the wiki instructions
Dec 28 07:52:06 <icarus> alright, im a little confused
Dec 28 07:52:11 <icarus> im trying to install preware
Dec 28 07:52:22 <icarus> ive got my pre plugged in, under "just charge"
Dec 28 07:52:50 <icarus> and im running the jar file, but i keep getting an error that it cant find novacom
Dec 28 07:53:01 <icarus> ive got novacomd running though
Dec 28 07:54:22 <icarus> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware
Dec 28 07:54:33 <icarus> im following the instructions as it says here exactly
Dec 28 07:54:35 <jacques> can you novaterm into the pre ?
Dec 28 07:55:11 <icarus> jacques: yeah
Dec 28 07:56:38 <icarus> also, there is not "refresh novacom" under the Tools menu of PrewareInstaller-0.9.5.jar
Dec 28 07:56:43 <icarus> no*
Dec 28 07:57:55 <icarus> am i supposed to be running novacomd on the comp or on the pre?
Dec 28 07:58:19 <jacques> is PrewareInstaller.jar in the same folder / directory as webosdoctor.jar ?
Dec 28 07:58:32 <jacques> novacomd runs on the PC
Dec 28 08:01:03 <icarus> its in the same directory
Dec 28 08:03:03 <jacques> if you can novaterm into the pre, I'm not sure why the installer isn't finding novacomd
Dec 28 08:03:32 <icarus> ill screenshot so you can see what im looking at
Dec 28 08:08:22 <icarus> jacques: http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/8546/2009122712619838381280x.png
Dec 28 08:08:25 <icarus> this is what im seeing
Dec 28 08:11:17 <icarus> i have a hunch this is a java error
Dec 28 08:11:18 <jacques> so when it's in that state, can you novaterm into the pre ?
Dec 28 08:11:26 <icarus> im running openjdk6
Dec 28 08:11:30 <icarus> instead of jre
Dec 28 08:11:33 <icarus> jacques: yes
Dec 28 08:11:41 <jacques> I had problems running openjdk
Dec 28 08:11:51 <jacques> it would not even get that far for me
Dec 28 08:12:04 <jacques> I had no success until I installed the sun jre
Dec 28 08:12:14 <icarus> maybe thats my issue then
Dec 28 08:12:20 <icarus> because its tethering fine otherwise
Dec 28 08:12:31 <jacques> that may be your problem, or it would be something else :-\
Dec 28 08:12:47 <jacques> I would definitely try sun jre first though
Dec 28 08:24:41 <icarus> ugh, my distro handles jre really ridiculously
Dec 28 08:31:06 <icarus> jacques: hmm
Dec 28 08:31:17 <icarus> apparently jre still gives this error
Dec 28 08:31:20 <icarus> http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/4680/2009122712619851621280x.png
Dec 28 08:31:23 <icarus> this is what i see
Dec 28 08:31:35 <icarus> im logged in
Dec 28 08:31:38 <icarus> yet getting the error
Dec 28 08:34:40 <rwhitby> icarus: can you get a command line on the Pre?
Dec 28 08:34:55 <rwhitby> if so, just use the http://bit.ly/preware-bootstrap script
Dec 28 08:37:44 <antianalog> woo, just got the 2600 series extended battery
Dec 28 08:37:52 <rwhitby> eno: import dbus works now, thanks
Dec 28 08:41:25 <icarus> rwhitby: oh this looks much easier
Dec 28 08:41:39 <icarus> just wget bootstrap.sh
Dec 28 08:41:41 <icarus> and run it?
Dec 28 08:41:51 <icarus> is this going to delete all of my data?
Dec 28 08:41:56 <icarus> i read something about webdoctor doing that
Dec 28 08:42:05 <icarus> and bootstrapping is a little different than the other method
Dec 28 08:53:03 <jacques> you can read bootstrap.sh to see what it does
Dec 28 08:53:09 <rwhitby> icarus: cd /tmp ; wget http://bit.ly/preware-bootstrap ; sh preware-bootstrap
Dec 28 08:54:23 <icarus> rwhitby: alright, done
Dec 28 08:54:26 <icarus> and thats it?
Dec 28 08:54:32 <icarus> the wiki doesnt really explain much
Dec 28 08:54:37 <rwhitby> icarus: yep, then look for preware in the launcher
Dec 28 08:55:03 <icarus> oh, well jeez, that was easy
Dec 28 08:55:17 <rwhitby> there are too many boutique linux distributions to support more than one or two
Dec 28 08:56:37 <icarus> i was just getting hung up with java run time
Dec 28 08:57:09 <rwhitby> yep, distro issue
Dec 28 08:59:45 <rwhitby> jacques: after all that, the palm dbus interfaces are not introspectable
Dec 28 08:59:52 <icarus> well preware is pretty sweet
Dec 28 09:00:05 <jacques> rwhitby: d'oh!
Dec 28 09:00:40 <jacques> 3am, work tomorrow
Dec 28 09:00:58 <jacques> but then, my supervisor is out of town, and so is half the office
Dec 28 09:02:59 <jacques> gotta un-usbnet this pre
Dec 28 09:05:39 <icarus> rwhitby: thanks for the help
Dec 28 09:05:49 <rwhitby> icarus: np
Dec 28 09:05:52 <icarus> too bad i didnt thank jacques before he left
Dec 28 09:06:25 <jacques_pre> icarus: you're welcome
Dec 28 09:06:28 <jacques_pre> heh
Dec 28 09:06:33 <icarus> jacques_pre: thanks!
Dec 28 09:07:11 <icarus> are there any other cool repos than the default ones?
Dec 28 09:08:12 <icarus> sadly, i see theres no way to uninstall the nascar/nfl apps
Dec 28 09:08:28 <jacques_pre> not that I know of
Dec 28 09:08:42 <jacques_pre> I turned of the prethemer one because it was taking too long to load
Dec 28 09:08:59 <jacques_pre> yeah
Dec 28 09:09:05 <rwhitby> icarus: preware has *all* repos
Dec 28 09:09:35 <jacques_pre> you might be able to hide them tho
Dec 28 09:10:59 <icarus> preware certainly out performs cydia
Dec 28 09:11:12 <icarus> except for having less apps
Dec 28 09:11:17 <icarus> but im sure more will come with time
Dec 28 09:14:14 <jacques_pre> we just need more people to write them
Dec 28 09:14:54 <icarus> webOS is only on two phones so far
Dec 28 09:14:59 <icarus> more devs are sure to come
Dec 28 09:15:15 <icarus> i can write C and basic python
Dec 28 09:15:27 <icarus> but more for hardware engineering
Dec 28 09:15:33 <icarus> im an electrical engineering student
Dec 28 09:15:45 <icarus> but with time i could add!
Dec 28 10:05:12 <rwhitby> jacques_pre: PmLogCtl is good enough to find out the methods
Dec 28 10:05:52 <rwhitby> icarus: through the command line advanced optware feed, preware has 1600+ linux packages
Dec 28 10:11:01 <playya> rwhitby, afaik it is possible to use an external toolchain with OE
Dec 28 10:16:21 <rwhitby> playya: I'd like to get info on how to do that
Dec 28 10:21:55 <playya> this seems to be an (old) example: ezxdev.org/qtopia/sdk/oe_build/conf/local.conf
Dec 28 10:24:25 <tmzt> icarus: what's the goal?
Dec 28 10:24:31 <rwhitby> playya: thx - that's a good start.  I don't see where it tells OE where the external toolchain is and how to use it.  I only see where it tells OE that it has to use an external toolchain (which is half the battle)
Dec 28 10:24:42 <rwhitby> tmzt: use OE to build the same binaries as Palm builds
Dec 28 10:25:06 <tmzt> his?
Dec 28 10:25:09 <tmzt> his goal
Dec 28 10:25:21 <tmzt> I don't know enough about oe to help you
Dec 28 10:25:25 <tmzt> even if I was awake
Dec 28 10:25:38 <tmzt> but I'm intrigued at his question about porting webos, though I'm not going to do that
Dec 28 10:45:03 <noaXess> hi all
Dec 28 10:45:24 <noaXess> is there a ntp tool for webos? i think my mobile carrier don't push the time over mobile net.
Dec 28 11:23:22 <rwhitby> noaXess: in optware command line there is
Dec 28 13:04:38 <bsm> Hi, I've got a german O2 pre, downloaded and installed meta-doctor. when I start the pre it works, except for creating a Palm account via wlan ( it tells me at the end that it could not create the account ) and I cannot enter the carrier settings via tapping the upper left corner, ideas anyone?
Dec 28 13:05:16 <bsm> I enabled all "settings" in the meta-doctor makefile and of course flashing the device worked.
Dec 28 13:06:04 <rwhitby> bsm: do you have a SIM which works for 3G on that Pre?
Dec 28 13:08:00 <bsm> rwhitby: 3G worked with my old samsung, nevertheless 3G is not available here
Dec 28 13:08:29 <bsm> does the pre need 3G although I want to enable it via wlan?
Dec 28 13:20:10 <bsm> hm, it worked now
Dec 28 13:20:19 <bsm> I disabled the "bypass activation option"
Dec 28 13:20:24 <bsm> and activated via EGPRS
Dec 28 13:22:15 <rwhitby> yeah, you should only use the bypass activation if you really cannot activate the phone
Dec 28 13:35:45 <bsm> ah and the carrier settings ( like data using ) is only available in the telephone screen
Dec 28 13:35:50 <bsm> great
Dec 28 13:35:53 <bsm> I like this thing
Dec 28 14:10:40 <rwhitby> jacques_pre: see the end of http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Network_Management - apart from additionalIfRoutes, I now know enough about com.palm.netroute to make openvpn dns work
Dec 28 14:10:54 <rwhitby> (and the additional routes are done by openvpn itself anyway)
Dec 28 14:30:19 <en0x> i wonder if the 1.3.5 will hit today...
Dec 28 15:06:20 <zsoc> so I have questions.
Dec 28 15:12:14 <zsoc> so if my very silly friend runs EPR with a theme installed... is there a good way to uninstall the theme?
Dec 28 15:13:01 <zsoc> also, wouldn't it be possible for EPR to do a check in Installed Packages -> Themes, to check first?
Dec 28 15:13:29 <zsoc> I mean short of manually converting the .orig files (or writing a script)
Dec 28 15:18:42 <zsoc> guess I'll just tell him to run the repair utility. I hate that thing.
Dec 28 15:19:00 <zsoc> How is the progress on AUPT coming?
Dec 28 16:41:00 <zack> ummm...hello?
Dec 28 16:50:05 <Abyssul> Its so funny looking at the PreCentral forums
Dec 28 16:50:28 <Abyssul> All these people are like whining about how little the 1.3.5 update might be
Dec 28 16:52:03 <Eguy> noobs will be noobs
Dec 28 16:53:52 <Abyssul> Im pretty sure Sprint didn't even highlight most of the updates
Dec 28 16:57:02 <Shiggity> Well, none of us know what is in it yet...
Dec 28 16:57:13 <Abyssul> I know
Dec 28 16:57:28 <Shiggity> I'm hoping for world peace.
Dec 28 16:57:35 <Shiggity> And flash.
Dec 28 16:57:50 <Abyssul> Not in a 0.0.4 update :\
Dec 28 16:58:09 <Abyssul> I wonder if Palm will introduce flash at CES
Dec 28 16:58:36 <Abyssul> Thats the only major thing I see them possibly dispalying unless they have something up their sleeves
Dec 28 16:58:59 <Shiggity> I mean, flash would be nice but I would really hope for 3d turned on.
Dec 28 16:59:17 <Abyssul> Id rather just have the GPU enabled
Dec 28 16:59:26 <Abyssul> thats all I really care about lol
Dec 28 16:59:32 <Shiggity> It seems like it would save a boat load of battery to give that processing to the GPU than try and compute it.
Dec 28 16:59:50 <Abyssul> Idk about that
Dec 28 17:00:17 <Abyssul> Theres no sure way to know, but it will no doubtly smooth out WebOS
Dec 28 17:00:27 <Shiggity> Right
Dec 28 17:00:35 <ird> Abyssul: what's coming in 1.3.5?
Dec 28 17:00:36 <Shiggity> I can concur there.
Dec 28 17:00:50 <Shiggity> ird: They are switching everything to Android.
Dec 28 17:01:08 <Abyssul> ird: Idk, all I know is what Sprint gave us
Dec 28 17:01:16 <Shiggity> Actually, we don't know yet. :(
Dec 28 17:01:37 <ird> meh
Dec 28 17:01:42 <Abyssul> Im not constricted by a NDA
Dec 28 17:01:47 <ird> Last time sprint said an update was coming it took a few more weeks :p
Dec 28 17:01:49 <Abyssul> So im just making guesses lol
Dec 28 17:01:53 <Abyssul> Thats true
Dec 28 17:02:12 <Abyssul> but last time sprint told us about a update, they "forgot" about half the features in the update
Dec 28 17:08:51 <ird> Pretty sure there would be more.
Dec 28 17:08:56 <ird> That's pretty small considering the last update.
Dec 28 17:10:15 <Abyssul> yep
Dec 28 17:10:49 <Shiggity> Being a programmer, I know some guy is sitting at palm right now, waiting to get the order to hit "the button".
Dec 28 17:11:11 <Abyssul> Yea, thats so funny
Dec 28 17:11:16 <Shiggity> At which point, he's going to take a shot, say "hold on to your butts", and hope that everything passed QA.
Dec 28 17:11:45 <Abyssul> im still waiting on different vibrate settings for my messages :p
Dec 28 17:12:17 <Shiggity> Niiiiiice....
Dec 28 17:27:06 <ird> I just want a speed boost.
Dec 28 17:27:16 <ird> The phone is sooo slow at times.
Dec 28 17:27:28 <Shiggity> There's what we need: a phone spoiler.
Dec 28 17:27:36 <Shiggity> That would definitely make our phones faster.
Dec 28 17:27:42 <ird> and some nos.
Dec 28 17:27:58 <ird> Why don't we just start shooting out phones up with cocaine?
Dec 28 17:28:04 <ird> out = our
Dec 28 17:28:15 <Abyssul> Thats how I messed up my last Pre....
Dec 28 17:31:53 <ird> I tried to get my Pre stoned once.
Dec 28 17:31:58 <ird> It just made the camera foggy.
Dec 28 17:32:43 <Abyssul> Is anyone else having trouble getting on facebook on the Pre?
Dec 28 17:32:47 <Abyssul> I mean like facebook.com
Dec 28 17:32:51 <Abyssul> not touch.faceboook.com
Dec 28 17:33:03 <Abyssul> It keep redirecting to the touch version
Dec 28 17:35:29 <ird> Takes me there too.
Dec 28 17:36:12 <ird> I wish they would fix it so you can view comments on photos from the mobile version.
Dec 28 17:36:46 <Abyssul> i use lite.facebook.com actually
Dec 28 17:36:48 <Abyssul> Its awesome
Dec 28 17:37:23 <Abyssul> if they got rid of the suggestions column on the right side and made it scale to the width of the pre browser, that would be perfect
Dec 28 17:38:12 <webOSroundup> hey everyone
Dec 28 17:38:23 <Abyssul> Howdy
Dec 28 17:38:36 <webOSroundup> I have a question...or lots of them really
Dec 28 17:38:45 <webOSroundup> I know you guys are the experts so here I am
Dec 28 17:39:22 <webOSroundup> I am trying to get a feed of apps for the app catalog
Dec 28 17:39:56 <webOSroundup> I am a web developer by trade, but I am a noob when it comes to webOS dev
Dec 28 17:40:11 <webOSroundup> I have been trying to plink around the findapps app from Palm
Dec 28 17:40:11 <ird> ty Abyssul didn't know about lite.fb...
Dec 28 17:40:21 <Abyssul> ird: no problem man. I love it lol
Dec 28 17:40:42 <webOSroundup> and I keep seeing that most of the calls are to something called Weave
Dec 28 17:40:48 <webOSroundup> is that mozilla's weave?
Dec 28 17:42:32 <Abyssul> webOSroundup: I don't know how much of an answer you'll get. There hasn't been much activity in the channel lately. Though I could be wrong
Dec 28 17:43:17 <Abyssul> ird: There is facebook chat in lite as well if you hit the chat tab at the top of the page.
Dec 28 17:43:26 <webOSroundup> hmmm
Dec 28 17:43:27 <ird> awesome
Dec 28 17:43:27 <ird> :D
Dec 28 17:43:39 <ird> Especially since I can't get the messaging plugins to work anymore.
Dec 28 17:44:07 <webOSroundup1> there a better time to pick y'alls brains?
Dec 28 17:44:08 <webOSroundup1> :)
Dec 28 17:44:25 <ird> It's been dead since Christmas in here.
Dec 28 17:44:29 <Abyssul> Yea^
Dec 28 17:44:39 <webOSroundup1> ah
Dec 28 17:45:36 <ird> Just idle and check back now and again.
Dec 28 17:45:45 <linuxjacques> what did I miss?
Dec 28 17:45:45 <webOSroundup1> k
Dec 28 17:45:50 <webOSroundup1> guess I will keep hunting
Dec 28 17:45:54 <linuxjacques> webOSroundup1: you had questions?
Dec 28 17:45:55 <jtrucks> so, should I just remove patches before the next os update, or should I remove patches + other stuff?
Dec 28 17:45:59 <webOSroundup1> yes
Dec 28 17:46:11 <webOSroundup1> trying to learn about how the palm findapps app works
Dec 28 17:46:23 <webOSroundup1> so I can get a real time feed of the apps for my site
Dec 28 17:46:39 <linuxjacques> oh cool idea
Dec 28 17:46:56 <webOSroundup1> I keep seeing something called Weave
Dec 28 17:47:03 <webOSroundup1> what is that?
Dec 28 17:47:12 <ird> jtrucks: just remove patches before an update. apps don't matter.
Dec 28 17:47:29 <jtrucks> ird: thanks!
Dec 28 17:47:38 <jtrucks> I thought so, but I haven't been through the process yet
Dec 28 17:47:45 <ird> jtrucks: better yet, use EPR
Dec 28 17:47:53 <linuxjacques> rwhitby and probably other people have been trying to figure out the undocumented interfaces, but I don't know if they have looked at that subsystem
Dec 28 17:48:07 <webOSroundup1> I spoke to rod briefly yesterday
Dec 28 17:48:11 <webOSroundup1> he implied it would be easy
Dec 28 17:48:19 <webOSroundup1> however, I am guessing most things are easy for him
Dec 28 17:48:21 <ird> Everything is easy to him.
Dec 28 17:48:24 <Abyssul> yea, rod would be your man to talk to
Dec 28 17:48:33 <webOSroundup1> I just don't like wasting his time :)
Dec 28 17:48:45 <Abyssul> Not worthy? lol
Dec 28 17:48:50 <webOSroundup1> something like that
Dec 28 17:48:52 <linuxjacques> webOSroundup1: he will probably be on again later today. he's on a different timezone after all :-)
Dec 28 17:49:06 <ird> I used to get the 'not worthy' feeling about smart people online.
Dec 28 17:49:06 <webOSroundup1> syre
Dec 28 17:49:13 <Abyssul> He lives on Mars right?
Dec 28 17:49:19 <ird> Now I've learned just to ask questions.
Dec 28 17:49:20 <webOSroundup1> close enough
Dec 28 17:49:27 <webOSroundup1> I have plenty
Dec 28 17:49:38 <linuxjacques> no, he *comes* from Mars. he lives in AU
Dec 28 17:49:38 <webOSroundup1> I can do JS, but this stuff is another level
Dec 28 17:49:59 <ird> Oops.
Dec 28 17:50:08 <webOSroundup1> weird
Dec 28 17:50:10 <webOSroundup1> still here
Dec 28 17:50:27 <ird> That wasn't you :p
Dec 28 17:50:30 <ird> You're webOSroundup1
Dec 28 17:50:34 <linuxjacques> is anyone with Sprint service seeing the 1.3.5 update yet?
Dec 28 17:50:37 <ird> that was webOSroundup
Dec 28 17:50:38 <coveredwagonkid2> quick question...
Dec 28 17:50:40 <webOSroundup1> I am?
Dec 28 17:50:46 <webOSroundup1> hmmm
Dec 28 17:50:52 <webOSroundup1> hopefully I am the only one :P
Dec 28 17:50:54 <ird> * webOSroundup has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))
Dec 28 17:50:55 <ird> <ird> Oops.
Dec 28 17:50:55 <ird> <webOSroundup1> weird
Dec 28 17:51:04 <ird> Looks like you connected and quit and came back.
Dec 28 17:51:09 <ird> That was a ghost.
Dec 28 17:51:15 <webOSroundup1> wireless networks for aya
Dec 28 17:51:18 <webOSroundup1> err ya
Dec 28 17:51:25 <linuxjacques> freenode in particular for ya :-0
Dec 28 17:51:35 <coveredwagonkid2> I can't seem to find the emergency patch removal tool in preware...
Dec 28 17:52:00 <ird> coveredwagonkid2: Just go to "everything" and type Emergency.
Dec 28 17:52:13 <ird> but it's under "linux applications" I believe.
Dec 28 17:52:21 <coveredwagonkid2> I did, still not there...
Dec 28 17:52:25 <en0x> linuxjacques, don;t worry when it hit u will know ;)
Dec 28 17:52:45 <linuxjacques> en0x: good point lol
Dec 28 17:52:57 <webOSroundup1> does the emulator have the findapps app on it?
Dec 28 17:53:08 <webOSroundup1> I can't seem to log into my phone with SCP
Dec 28 17:53:16 <webOSroundup1> so I have been hunting in a very slow manner
Dec 28 17:53:42 <linuxjacques> webOSroundup1: did you mean ssh ?
Dec 28 17:53:54 <linuxjacques> because scp is only for transferring files
Dec 28 17:54:02 <webOSroundup1> still new to all this
Dec 28 17:54:05 <webOSroundup1> I have WinSCP
Dec 28 17:54:31 <webOSroundup1> mainly I just want to download the findapps app and go digging
Dec 28 17:54:31 <linuxjacques> and it also does ssh protocol? (I don't have windows so I don't know)
Dec 28 17:54:42 <webOSroundup1> no, SCP, SFTP
Dec 28 17:55:22 <linuxjacques> ah, OK well the SFTP part should allow you to explore the filesystem on the phone
Dec 28 17:55:24 <ird> linuxjacques: it does ssh apparently.
Dec 28 17:55:39 <ird> http://winscp.net/eng/docs/ui_login_ssh
Dec 28 17:55:42 <linuxjacques> ird: good to know
Dec 28 17:55:53 <webOSroundup1> I get a connection refused error
Dec 28 17:56:04 <ird> Do you have developer mode on?
Dec 28 17:56:11 <jtrucks> ird: what exactly does EPR do? Does it wipe the device?
Dec 28 17:56:12 <webOSroundup1> pretty sure
Dec 28 17:56:21 <ird> jtrucks: it just wipes out all installed patches.
Dec 28 17:56:35 <jtrucks> ahhh. coolness.
Dec 28 17:56:37 <ird> jtrucks: it leaves apps and everything else alone.
Dec 28 17:56:37 <jtrucks> thanks tons.
Dec 28 17:56:48 <Robi_> 1.3.5 may get out today heh
Dec 28 17:56:51 <linuxjacques> webOSroundup1: could be several things, wrong username, wrong password, phone setup to only allow login with keyfiles ...
Dec 28 17:57:03 <ird> Robi_: I doubt it.
Dec 28 17:57:32 <webOSroundup1> devmode is on
Dec 28 17:57:33 <Abyssul> Robi_: thats what Sprint said about the last update they predicted and we didnt see it for 2 weeks after
Dec 28 17:57:46 <Robi_> hehe
Dec 28 17:57:56 <webOSroundup1> mine should be all the defaults
Dec 28 17:57:59 <webOSroundup1> bah
Dec 28 17:58:02 <ird> Oh..
Dec 28 17:58:05 <Robi_> i still haven't decided on a backup solution to do it even if it was out
Dec 28 17:58:09 <ird> Have you installed dropbear and all that then for ssh?
Dec 28 17:58:13 <linuxjacques> webOSroundup1: what procedure did you use to setup ssh / sftp access? have you ever successfully ssh'd or sftp'd into the phone?
Dec 28 17:58:50 <webOSroundup1> I have in the past
Dec 28 17:59:02 <webOSroundup1> use the host 127.0.0.1
Dec 28 17:59:03 <webOSroundup1> root
Dec 28 17:59:06 <webOSroundup1> no password
Dec 28 17:59:12 <webOSroundup1> nada
Dec 28 17:59:19 <ird> did you use novaterm?
Dec 28 17:59:25 <linuxjacques> well ... 127.0.0.1 is localhost
Dec 28 17:59:25 <webOSroundup1> I have that installed
Dec 28 17:59:32 <ird> Just use novaterm :D
Dec 28 17:59:41 <webOSroundup1> how do you use that in windows?
Dec 28 17:59:46 <ird> Not sure.
Dec 28 17:59:51 <ird> I use linux :p
Dec 28 17:59:58 <linuxjacques> more specificallt, it's the loopback address
Dec 28 18:00:00 <ird> I just type novaterm in the command prompt and away I go.
Dec 28 18:00:44 <linuxjacques> actually I hope 1.3.5 doesn't hit anytime too soon. I am just getting everything setup how I like it with 1.3.1  :-D
Dec 28 18:00:49 <webOSroundup1> I know I have it installed because WebOS quick install requires it
Dec 28 18:00:57 <ird> webOSroundup1: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Accessing_Linux_Using_Novaterm
Dec 28 18:05:13 <webOSroundup1> ok, I got in...at the command line...miss my GUI :)
Dec 28 18:06:57 <linuxjacques> webOSroundup1: if you want to see if the phone is listening for ssh / sftp connections, you can do "netstat -at | grep ssh"
Dec 28 18:13:01 <Abyssul> Most patches are usually converted to 1.3.5 by the time the update is released
Dec 28 18:13:11 <Abyssul> At least thats how it was with 1.3.1
Dec 28 18:14:36 * jtrucks started on 1.3.1, so is fairly new to all this
Dec 28 18:15:52 <jtrucks> some patch or setting change I did stopped the pre from vibrating when switched to silent, so I've been missing calls :(
Dec 28 18:16:04 <linuxjacques> wow, apparently usbnet and novacom *can* coexist
Dec 28 18:16:27 <linuxjacques> it wasn't working for me yesterday so I assumed they couldn't
Dec 28 18:21:40 <jtrucks> does sprint roll out new updates in groups so not everyone DLs it at once?
Dec 28 18:30:17 <ird> jtrucks: palm does updates, not sprint, afaik.
Dec 28 18:30:25 <ird> But I'm not sure.
Dec 28 18:30:33 <jtrucks> ahhh I see. thanks.
Dec 28 18:33:17 <elpollodiablo1> does anyone know of any good resources about luna-send or the commands for applications that luna-send can affect?
Dec 28 18:34:16 <ird> elpollodiablo1: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Luna_Send ?
Dec 28 18:35:12 <elpollodiablo1> I have been there and that was helpful but it does not give any information about how they got the commands or some of the commands for other applications
Dec 28 18:35:52 <elpollodiablo1> I am guessing I have to know the command in the specific application, but not sure
Dec 28 18:36:37 <ird> looks that way
Dec 28 18:37:39 <elpollodiablo1> I guess I will just mess around with the app I am trying to work with
Dec 28 18:37:42 <elpollodiablo1> thanks
Dec 28 18:59:10 <nivek564> HI webos internals
Dec 28 19:00:02 <nivek564> could anyone help me out a little?
Dec 28 19:15:12 <ird> nivek564: just ask
Dec 28 19:16:51 <jtrucks> do os updates only come across the EVDO/data connection, or can they go across wifi, too?
Dec 28 19:21:31 <linuxjacques> jtrucks: wifi is preferred
Dec 28 19:21:37 <linuxjacques> it's much faster
Dec 28 19:22:15 <jtrucks> yes, I was just checking to see if the os updates would go across wifi. I've read that in the past sprint wouldn't send some stuff via wifi for some reason.
Dec 28 19:22:20 <jtrucks> perhaps that is no longer the case
Dec 28 19:22:32 <jtrucks> and thank you :
Dec 28 19:22:34 <jtrucks> :)
Dec 28 19:23:00 <nivek564> is it possible to create a webos image with differnt settings such as verizon?
Dec 28 19:23:05 <linuxjacques> I did 1.3.1 over wifi and it still took like 30 minutes
Dec 28 19:23:33 <nivek564> using the meta doctor?
Dec 28 19:23:33 <linuxjacques> I can't imagine how long it would take over EVDO. I guess that's one reason they have the background downloading functionality
Dec 28 19:23:55 <Shiggity> I tried 1.3.1 over an RFC 1147 certified device but the hawks were out.
Dec 28 19:24:08 * jtrucks giggles at Shiggity 
Dec 28 19:24:28 <linuxjacques> lol. pigeons.
Dec 28 19:24:32 <Shiggity> I'm glad that joke wasn't lost :)
Dec 28 19:24:43 <acydlord> i'm baffled at my 1.3.2 pixi updating to 1.3.2
Dec 28 19:24:47 <acydlord> sup shigs
Dec 28 19:25:00 <Shiggity> What's going on?
Dec 28 19:25:23 <jtrucks> Shiggity: did you see the recent-ish news articles about avian carriers being faster than the landline based ISP?
Dec 28 19:25:23 <acydlord> not much, just updating some mess, finally back at my computer since my sister is no longer staying here
Dec 28 19:25:49 <Shiggity> jtrucks: The one in africa? Yeah, that made me lol at work reading it a while back.
Dec 28 19:25:56 <jtrucks> :)
Dec 28 19:26:09 <nivek564> has anyone used the mete doctor?
Dec 28 19:26:20 <nivek564> meta*
Dec 28 19:26:45 <linuxjacques> nivek564: do you know exactly what changes you want to make?
Dec 28 19:26:56 <nivek564> the PRI
Dec 28 19:27:48 <nivek564> or is there a way i can pull the PRI from my pre now..
Dec 28 19:28:24 <nivek564> tring to make a back up of my settings
Dec 28 19:28:26 <linuxjacques> sorry, I don't know what the PRI is. maybe someone else here can help...
Dec 28 19:28:36 <nivek564> uhm the carrier settings
Dec 28 19:28:51 <nivek564> data settings nam settings mms ....
Dec 28 19:29:23 <linuxjacques> I see PRL MEID and MSID in device info
Dec 28 19:30:00 <nivek564> try to type ##3282# in your phone
Dec 28 19:30:24 <nivek564> i want to back up these settings to reload with the meta doctor
Dec 28 19:32:13 <jtrucks> i wonder where you can find that via a shell
Dec 28 19:33:04 <jtrucks> which is likely your question put in a different way :)
Dec 28 19:39:15 <jtrucks> I wish there was a way to make a package/list of patches to install/uninstall as a single operation
Dec 28 19:39:28 <jtrucks> with preware, that is
Dec 28 19:43:23 <ird> That is in the plans I believe.
Dec 28 19:45:21 <linuxjacques> yeah I'm trying to find the wiki page, but searching for roadmap didn't do it
Dec 28 19:47:53 <unusedUsername> who maintains Preware?
Dec 28 19:49:39 <gkatsev> unusedUsername: several people, i assume, mainly rwhitby
Dec 28 19:50:26 <unusedUsername> gkatsev: thanks, ill send him an email
Dec 28 19:53:16 <Shiggity> Hmmm, I think there's one on the Trac
Dec 28 19:53:57 <Shiggity> http://git.webos-internals.org/trac/preware/roadmap
Dec 28 19:57:10 <Shiggity> jtrucks: It doesn't look like it's on the roadmap to do that.
Dec 28 19:59:05 <jtrucks> oh, thanks for both checking and showing me where to look.
Dec 28 20:02:42 <linuxjacques> I think I recall rwhitby posted an article on precentral forums about the future of preware
Dec 28 20:16:17 <linuxjacques> I finally found the preware roadmap post: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/219021-preware-feature-roadmap.html
Dec 28 20:25:35 <entity-> whats the deal has 1.3.5 hit
Dec 28 20:28:48 <ird> I've always wondered.
Dec 28 20:28:51 <linuxjacques> I don't think anyone in here has gotten it (not counting people who got it early under NDA)
Dec 28 20:28:54 <ird> How does preware patch a file that's already been patched?
Dec 28 20:29:25 <ird> How does it know not to overwrite what's already been modified in the file?
Dec 28 20:33:56 <entity-> http://www.precentral.net/sprint-support-website-webos-135-hit-today
Dec 28 20:37:07 <ird> old
Dec 28 20:37:11 <ird> :p
Dec 28 20:37:23 <ird> $20 says it won't be for a few more weeks.
Dec 28 20:37:34 <ird> At least not today
Dec 28 20:37:38 <destinal> the funny thing about their photoshopped image, is that with binary diffs instead of redownloading entire packages, the OTA update will probably be a fraction of that size
Dec 28 20:37:47 <acydlord> lol
Dec 28 20:38:14 <acydlord> my stupid pixi had a same version update today, gave me a wtf moment
Dec 28 20:38:23 <destinal> if their changelog is right anyway
Dec 28 20:38:32 <destinal> (see aforementioned link)
Dec 28 20:38:33 <ird> doubt it.
Dec 28 20:38:49 <ird> I thought the app limit was confirmed for 1.3.5.
Dec 28 20:38:57 <ird> But they don't mention it. heh
Dec 28 20:39:42 <entity-> i guess we will find out
Dec 28 20:39:47 <entity-> im bell anyway
Dec 28 20:40:01 <entity-> http://support.sprintpcs.com/support/article/Find_and_update_the_software_version_on_your_Palm_Pre/case-ye186054-20090813-
Dec 28 20:40:01 <entity-> 151310http://support.sprintpcs.com/support/article/Find_and_update_the_software_version_on_your_Palm_Pre/case-ye186054-20090813-151310
Dec 28 20:40:02 <destinal> ird: yeah, that's publicly confirmed
Dec 28 20:40:38 <destinal> ird: http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/6650/palm-talks-ces-webos-135-details/
Dec 28 20:40:39 <en0x-wIRC> yo
Dec 28 20:40:48 <entity-> sup en0x
Dec 28 20:41:30 <en0x-wIRC> nothin much entity- ...I'm at the hospital now in urgent care with my bro... waiting
Dec 28 20:41:41 <en0x-wIRC> and I thought that I will drop by
Dec 28 20:42:01 <ird> rofl
Dec 28 20:42:04 <ird> "There's a patch for that"
Dec 28 20:43:00 <entity-> not good man
Dec 28 20:43:02 <entity-> what ahappened
Dec 28 20:43:04 <en0x-wIRC> I think that we won't see 1.3.5 today :p
Dec 28 20:43:33 <entity-> 8PM EST
Dec 28 20:43:55 <en0x-wIRC> entity-: twisted ankle I believe but gotta take xrays... we haven seen a doctor yet I've been waiting for almost 30 min.. I hate american hospitals
Dec 28 20:44:58 <mikeDOTd> fake a heart attack, they'll speed things up ;-)
Dec 28 20:45:36 <en0x-wIRC> I think I should do that hahaha
Dec 28 20:47:33 <ird> You hate american hospitals?
Dec 28 20:47:36 <ird> Where are you from?
Dec 28 20:47:45 <ird> Go to Canada :p
Dec 28 20:48:36 <en0x-wIRC> hahaha
Dec 28 20:48:47 <en0x-wIRC> I have to pay here and wait in line
Dec 28 20:48:49 <en0x-wIRC> come on
Dec 28 20:49:15 <en0x-wIRC> in europ at least I don't have to pay so I can deal with the waiting
Dec 28 20:49:17 <en0x-wIRC> :p
Dec 28 20:50:06 <ird> Just go to the ER like all the other people do here.
Dec 28 20:50:14 <ird> At least the white trash and mexicans do.
Dec 28 20:50:15 <ird> :p
Dec 28 20:50:29 <en0x-wIRC> I'm at the er lol
Dec 28 20:50:46 <en0x-wIRC> oh wait they are sending me to urgent care
Dec 28 20:50:47 <en0x-wIRC> wtf
Dec 28 20:51:20 <en0x-wIRC> oh lol I'm out too much trash fuckers here
Dec 28 20:51:31 <en0x-wIRC> and I dint know what I'm talking about
Dec 28 20:55:39 <rwhitby> morning
Dec 28 20:58:02 <ird> Here it comes...
Dec 28 20:58:13 <ird> Morning rwhitby
Dec 28 20:58:21 <ird> Well, afternoon.
Dec 28 20:58:23 <ird> It's 3pm here.
Dec 28 20:58:34 <gkatsev> ~UGT
Dec 28 20:58:35 <infobot> from memory, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html
Dec 28 20:59:22 <ird> heh
Dec 28 20:59:31 <rwhitby> webOSroundup: weave is a javascript library which lives in the findapps dir.
Dec 28 20:59:51 <ird> gkatsev: I'll let you know when I give a crap ;)
Dec 28 21:00:50 <gkatsev> ird: lol, 4PM here
Dec 28 21:01:06 <ird> gkatsev: So you're on the east coast?
Dec 28 21:01:18 <ird> Or close, I suppose.
Dec 28 21:02:06 <gkatsev> yep. boston
Dec 28 21:02:10 <gkatsev> or, suburb
Dec 28 21:02:14 <linuxjacques> morning rwhitby
Dec 28 21:05:21 <zsoc> is AUPT going to be ready for 135?
Dec 28 21:05:31 <ird> gkatsev: I lived in Pa for a while. I liked it out that way.
Dec 28 21:09:24 <ird> I wish people would quit asking about the viewfinder already...
Dec 28 21:09:38 <ird> Is it really that hard to understand? I mean I GET IT
Dec 28 21:10:10 <grndslm> what's up d00dz?!?
Dec 28 21:10:46 <ird> nm m8
Dec 28 21:10:50 <ird> how r u?
Dec 28 21:10:52 * ird hides
Dec 28 21:11:18 <grndslm> i r good
Dec 28 21:11:25 <ird> i r  d
Dec 28 21:11:29 <grndslm> HAHAHA
Dec 28 21:11:31 <grndslm> nice
Dec 28 21:11:59 <grndslm> i just got sprint to let me go without ETF since they added on extra 40 cents to my monthly bill
Dec 28 21:12:43 <grndslm> so i'll have only paid about $180 or so for the pre
Dec 28 21:12:49 <ird> ETF?
Dec 28 21:12:56 <grndslm> early termination fee
Dec 28 21:12:56 <ird> My brain escapes me right now.
Dec 28 21:12:57 <grndslm> $200
Dec 28 21:13:01 <ird> yeah
Dec 28 21:13:04 <ird> ok
Dec 28 21:13:24 <grndslm> i planned on switching down to a $30/mo data-only plan with sprint...
Dec 28 21:13:37 <ird> I pay $80 for mine.
Dec 28 21:13:39 <grndslm> but now i can just come back in 60 days and get another $150 credit
Dec 28 21:13:42 <ird> Data + 400 minutes
Dec 28 21:13:48 <grndslm> yea, sprint voice + data is $70/mo
Dec 28 21:13:55 <grndslm> but you can actually got a lotta deals on top of that
Dec 28 21:13:58 <ird> I barely use any minutes though.
Dec 28 21:14:09 <grndslm> they offered me 22% off my bill just cause i SAID i work at bestbuy
Dec 28 21:14:14 <ird> LOL
Dec 28 21:14:18 <grndslm> and i was like... "no, this 40 cent fee is just too much to handle"
Dec 28 21:14:21 <grndslm> and that was that
Dec 28 21:14:32 <rwhitby> zsoc: not enough people have alpha tested aupt yet
Dec 28 21:14:32 <ird> I can get a discount with my job.
Dec 28 21:14:36 <grndslm> now i can get another $150 credit off another phone  x_0
Dec 28 21:14:54 <rwhitby> linuxjacques: did you see the wiki page for network management?
Dec 28 21:15:01 <ird> rwhitby: I'd test it.. I just don't have to time to WebOS Doctor my phone and all.
Dec 28 21:15:09 <linuxjacques> rwhitby: yep, not sure I understand it all, but it looks very promising
Dec 28 21:15:50 <linuxjacques> rwhitby: I'm trying to get openvpn compatibility here at work
Dec 28 21:15:54 <ird> I need to get my Pre replaced. I've been having this weird hardware issue.
Dec 28 21:15:56 <grndslm> rwhitby:  is the meta-doctor actually letting you bypass specific carrier activation? ... 'cause i'm gonna need that :-/
Dec 28 21:16:02 <ird> Pressure on the top left corner causes to phone to wake up :\
Dec 28 21:17:00 <rwhitby> grndslm: works for me for using a Sprint CDMA Pre in a different country that doesn't have CDMA ...
Dec 28 21:17:01 <zsoc> rwhitby: how many more vs. how much testing is required  to push it out? I could get some friends together ;)
Dec 28 21:17:18 <rwhitby> zsoc: depends on how many bugs are found :-)
Dec 28 21:17:54 <grndslm> hmm.... guess i'll just have to try it again
Dec 28 21:18:04 <grndslm> meta-doctor should work with 1.3.5 when it's released later today, huh?
Dec 28 21:18:12 <grndslm> or *supposed* to be released...
Dec 28 21:18:12 <zsoc> rwhitby: lol how has the previous testing gone?
Dec 28 21:18:28 <ird> grndslm: Don't get your hopes up.
Dec 28 21:18:31 <rwhitby> zsoc: only dBsooner, egaudet and I have tested it.  And we found bugs each time.
Dec 28 21:18:59 <rwhitby> grndslm: meta-doctor requires access to the webos-doctor file.  that historically trails the OTA update.
Dec 28 21:19:01 <grndslm> meta-doctor should work with 1.3.5 at least as soon as the 1.3.5 Doctor is released, i guess
Dec 28 21:19:04 <grndslm> ya
Dec 28 21:19:27 <linuxjacques> rwhitby: what's the certificate manager app on webos for?
Dec 28 21:19:44 <linuxjacques> I stumbled onto it the other day
Dec 28 21:19:56 <rwhitby> linuxjacques: for importing server certs, e.g. for imap/ssl connections for email
Dec 28 21:20:16 <rwhitby> if you have a self-signed, you need to import the root CA cert for it to connect
Dec 28 21:20:23 <zsoc> rwhitby: like really bad break your install bugs?
Dec 28 21:20:29 <rwhitby> zsoc: yep
Dec 28 21:20:59 <rwhitby> well, not the last two times
Dec 28 21:21:11 <zsoc> rwhitby: ouch. so in your opinion... I should avoid trying it for the 135 upgrade? although I guess that's a decent test ;)
Dec 28 21:21:42 <rwhitby> zsoc: no, you should try it :-)
Dec 28 21:21:49 <grndslm> HAHAHAHAHAHA
Dec 28 21:21:55 <linuxjacques> lol
Dec 28 21:22:22 <zsoc> Rod just knows I can fix anything I break :D
Dec 28 21:22:47 <rwhitby> yep
Dec 28 21:22:49 <ird> So... webos dr to old version, install patches, ota, update preware?
Dec 28 21:23:06 <rwhitby> ird: yep, using alpha feeds for preware and patches
Dec 28 21:23:09 * zsoc makes a patch that adds the testing feed to everyones preware and pushes it through a backdoor in gstservice
Dec 28 21:23:15 <ird> rwhitby: got that already.
Dec 28 21:23:51 * ird backs up preware feeds file.
Dec 28 21:24:08 <ird> I'll let you know how it goes in a few hours.
Dec 28 21:24:17 <ird> It will give me something to do after the 'flower' man leaves.
Dec 28 21:24:30 <zsoc> ...
Dec 28 21:24:41 <zsoc> That sounds wrong on so many levels.
Dec 28 21:24:44 <ird> My street florist.
Dec 28 21:24:45 <ird> :p
Dec 28 21:24:53 <ird> Or street pharmacist...
Dec 28 21:24:55 <ird> drug dealer
Dec 28 21:24:58 <rwhitby> ird: most important that you are running alpha preware and ipkgservice and install patches from the alpha testing patch feed before the OTA update
Dec 28 21:25:00 <zsoc> OH
Dec 28 21:25:01 <ird> What do you want me to call it? :p
Dec 28 21:25:05 <zsoc> I GET IT NOW
Dec 28 21:25:20 <rwhitby> ird: then you "Update All" on the patches after the OTA update.
Dec 28 21:25:44 <rwhitby> if you use normal public feed for preware, ipkgservice or patches, it won't work.
Dec 28 21:26:07 <zsoc> rwhitby: oh, so I need to remove all my patches and reinstall alpha ones anyway?
Dec 28 21:26:52 <zsoc> there should be a utility to converting to AUPT-compatible patches, like the opposite of EPR
Dec 28 21:27:26 <rwhitby> zsoc: yep
Dec 28 21:28:49 <rwhitby> ird, zsoc: but wait for 15 minutes, cause I'm rebuilding the webos-patches-testing feed right now
Dec 28 21:29:34 <zsoc> yes. its ok I just realized I doctored my phone and need to re-undisable preware feed adding :p
Dec 28 21:29:35 <zsoc> from vi
Dec 28 21:31:07 <ird> rwhitby: is it just me or is the build of nano in the feeds broke?
Dec 28 21:31:20 <ird> Whenever I try to save with it, I just get a system beep.
Dec 28 21:32:11 <egaudet_work> what's new and exciting
Dec 28 21:32:14 <rwhitby> ird: what are you using to run it?   ssh or Terminal ?
Dec 28 21:32:23 <rwhitby> egaudet_work: just rebuilding patches testing feed
Dec 28 21:32:40 <rwhitby> egaudet_work: openvpn and delegate are new and exciting
Dec 28 21:33:03 <zsoc> ird: if you are using term try changing to landscape before saving.
Dec 28 21:33:07 <ird> rwhitby: novaterm and ssh both don't work.
Dec 28 21:33:14 <egaudet_work> what's delegate
Dec 28 21:33:19 <ird> I rarely use the terminal on the device. I can't read it.
Dec 28 21:33:43 <rwhitby> egaudet_work: delegate.org
Dec 28 21:34:05 <egaudet_work> I'll be doing another test run of a mass update all after work today, hopefully no new bugs arise :P
Dec 28 21:34:20 <rwhitby> egaudet_work: using it to provide openssl client certs to sites that require them (e.g. sites at the other end of my openvpn connection)
Dec 28 21:35:02 <egaudet_work> ahh cool
Dec 28 21:35:15 <rwhitby> egaudet_work: apparently ird and zsoc are going to test aupt today too :-)
Dec 28 21:35:26 <egaudet_work> awesome!
Dec 28 21:35:48 <ird> Do I still need to backup /media/internal?
Dec 28 21:35:57 <ird> Or does the Dr leave it intact now?
Dec 28 21:36:14 <rwhitby> ird: I don't think so, but I would anyway.  There is code in there which wipes it if it thinks something is wrong.
Dec 28 21:36:22 <ird> Hmm..
Dec 28 21:36:29 <ird> I might set up ampache this time.
Dec 28 21:37:02 <rwhitby> egaudet_work: when do you think we should push aupt to the 1.3.5 patches public feed?
Dec 28 21:37:12 <zsoc> ok I broke preware. my Add Feeds button literally disappeared.
Dec 28 21:37:21 <rwhitby> ok, webos-patches testing feed updated
Dec 28 21:37:32 * ird goes looking for the old webos dr.
Dec 28 21:37:57 <rwhitby> ird: webos doctor versions wiki page
Dec 28 21:38:02 <egaudet_work> I think if we get at least a few successful update all tests with multiple patches, and we can't break it or find anything else wrong within the next few days, MAYBE by the new year?
Dec 28 21:38:20 <zsoc> Where the heck is my button.
Dec 28 21:39:01 <ird> rwhitby: already there :)
Dec 28 21:39:04 <rwhitby> zsoc: add feeds isn't implemented yet anyway
Dec 28 21:39:52 <zsoc> rwhitby: er.... oh... I knew that
Dec 28 21:40:04 <ird> zsoc: even I knew that :p
Dec 28 21:40:07 * ird hides
Dec 28 21:40:26 <egaudet_work> for aupt testing be sure to manually update your test feed version in ipkg conf files after an OTA so you will see all the updates for the patches
Dec 28 21:40:59 <zsoc> ird: I was under the odd assumption I was supposed to be commenting things out :p
Dec 28 21:41:09 <egaudet_work> (note the normal patch feeds will be auto updated to correct webos version but not test feeds)
Dec 28 21:42:37 <ird> Now to wait for the download!
Dec 28 21:42:42 <ird> My DSL sucks :(
Dec 28 21:54:01 <lingfish> *yawn*
Dec 28 21:54:18 <rwhitby> g'day lingfish
Dec 28 21:54:47 <lingfish> Heya Rod :)
Dec 28 21:54:51 <lingfish> I've been a bit AWOL
Dec 28 21:55:20 <rwhitby> lingfish: you haven't missed much
Dec 28 21:55:24 <lingfish> How's stuff?  Frohe Weihnachten!
Dec 28 21:55:45 <rwhitby> lingfish: working on openvpn and delegate and aupt at the moment
Dec 28 21:56:02 <lingfish> rwhitby: er, an openvpn port to Pre do you mean?!?
Dec 28 21:56:10 <rwhitby> lingfish: yep
Dec 28 21:56:22 <lingfish> Holy shit... you're kidding right?
Dec 28 21:56:36 <rwhitby> it's working nicely - just need to make it configurable and put a front-end on it
Dec 28 21:56:39 <lingfish> crypto in JS... ugh
Dec 28 21:56:49 <lingfish> Who actually ported the code?
Dec 28 21:56:58 <lingfish> Fascinating, nice one!  As I use it every day :)
Dec 28 21:57:03 <rwhitby> lingfish: no, openvpn arm binary
Dec 28 21:57:14 <lingfish> ah
Dec 28 21:57:31 <rwhitby> will need to create a service and a gui front-end
Dec 28 21:57:40 <lingfish> Tell me more... did you get source and build a cross compiler etc?
Dec 28 21:57:44 <lingfish> Or did the ARM bin just "work"
Dec 28 21:58:03 <rwhitby> lingfish: delegate allows for presenting an openssl client certificate to a web site - something the Pre browser cannot do
Dec 28 21:58:09 <lingfish> I'm only to happy to beta that... as I said, I run several every day
Dec 28 21:58:15 <rwhitby> lingfish: we ported it in optware
Dec 28 21:58:16 <mikeDOTd> along the same lines I've got 'vpnc' working on my pre, but haven't gotten around the service/frontend
Dec 28 21:58:46 <ird> oops.
Dec 28 21:58:51 <lingfish> rwhitby: ah, for SSL sites that auth via a cert?
Dec 28 21:58:54 <ird> forgot to back up my conf file.
Dec 28 21:58:55 <ird> Oh well.
Dec 28 21:58:57 <rwhitby> lingfish: yep
Dec 28 21:59:06 <rwhitby> got that working too
Dec 28 21:59:25 <rwhitby> mikeDOTd: I'll be looking at packaging up vpnc too
Dec 28 21:59:34 <lingfish> Nice... I only need that for two sites ever... Telstra's ICCD, and openid
Dec 28 22:00:33 <rwhitby> lingfish: I'm envisioing an app that allows you to turn on and off the proxy, since leaving it on will consume 3% of mem
Dec 28 22:01:10 <lingfish> Optware is that WRT stuff?
Dec 28 22:01:20 <rwhitby> then you have configurations with sites and certs, and get to enter the passphrase for the client cert when you activate the site connection
Dec 28 22:01:24 <lingfish> And what proxy, in the browser?
Dec 28 22:01:44 <lingfish> ah, you mean in ovpn.
Dec 28 22:01:57 <rwhitby> lingfish: optware comes from nslu2-linux - linux packages ported to 20+ embedded devices, designed to interoperate with vendor firmware rather than replace it
Dec 28 22:02:08 <rwhitby> lingfish: I mean in both ovpn and delegate
Dec 28 22:03:58 <lingfish> Yeah... without my first coffee, strugging to see how that helps in porting it, but it'll work it out shortly ;)
Dec 28 22:04:34 <rwhitby> optware already supports devices with the same processor as the pre
Dec 28 22:04:41 <rwhitby> so most things have already been ported
Dec 28 22:04:49 <rwhitby> lingfish: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Network_Management is my work in progress
Dec 28 22:05:13 <linuxjacques> so services can be started and stopped from the GUI?
Dec 28 22:05:13 <lingfish> But what of all the standard hooks to (I'm guessing) Nova for IP and whatnot...
Dec 28 22:05:47 <rwhitby> linuxjacques: services can't, but the delegated program (executed by the service) can
Dec 28 22:06:54 <lingfish> Hrm.  After taking a bit of a break... there is SO much more potential in WebOS... I have no idea why Palm have stalled :(  In the Touchstone area... the OS itself... don't get it.
Dec 28 22:06:58 <lingfish> 1.3.5 sounds exciting
Dec 28 22:07:07 <lingfish> As the batt life is kinda driving me a tad mental.
Dec 28 22:07:13 <lingfish> And the oreo
Dec 28 22:07:13 <linuxjacques> rwhitby: so if one had an app which required a heavyweight binary component, they would need a seperate service which started and stopped the C component?
Dec 28 22:07:29 <linuxjacques> s/C component/binary component/
Dec 28 22:07:30 <infobot> linuxjacques meant: rwhitby: so if one had an app which required a heavyweight binary component, they would need a seperate service which started and stopped the binary component?
Dec 28 22:07:36 <rwhitby> linuxjacques: that's what I would do, to save continuous memory usage
Dec 28 22:07:58 <linuxjacques> rwhitby: are there examples of that I can look at?
Dec 28 22:08:03 <rwhitby> linuxjacques: nope
Dec 28 22:08:09 <linuxjacques> ok
Dec 28 22:08:29 <rwhitby> openvpn and delegate will probably be the first
Dec 28 22:08:36 <rwhitby> I'm hoping to use C services for them
Dec 28 22:09:12 <linuxjacques> I'll be very interested in that development process
Dec 28 22:09:38 <rwhitby> linuxjacques: I'm sure you'll be helping :-)
Dec 28 22:09:41 <lingfish> rwhitby: Anyway, nice stuff... you know where I am for testing :)
Dec 28 22:10:04 <linuxjacques> rwhitby: I intend to
Dec 28 22:10:41 <rwhitby> lingfish: should have openvpn packaged into Preware without a config file today - I'm assuming you can write your own config file for it.
Dec 28 22:10:53 <lingfish> heh, yes.  Written many :)
Dec 28 22:11:18 <lingfish> I'm not even sure I could name all the VPN and firewall packages I've used.
Dec 28 22:11:42 <linuxjacques> maybe there should be a general service which manages heavyweight processes
Dec 28 22:11:59 <linuxjacques> it could even do resource management
Dec 28 22:12:31 <rwhitby> lingfish: you can help me with a standard openvpn sample config file then
Dec 28 22:12:52 <rwhitby> linuxjacques: I want to do an upstart management app
Dec 28 22:12:56 <lingfish> k
Dec 28 22:13:18 <rwhitby> one of you two needs to change your nick - collision on three character auto-complete
Dec 28 22:13:59 <lingfish> hahahahaa
Dec 28 22:14:09 <lingfish> Ok, this comes down to age and experience then ;)
Dec 28 22:14:30 <lingfish> Apparently I win.
Dec 28 22:15:16 <rwhitby> I dunno, jacques has both those qualities too ;-)
Dec 28 22:16:22 <lingfish> heh.
Dec 28 22:16:50 <jacques> rwhitby: I don't know upstart very well, what would an "upstart management app" be managing?
Dec 28 22:17:06 * rwhitby bbl - gotta go into work today to do a major network revamp while no-one is using the computers
Dec 28 22:17:21 <jacques> ok ttyl rwhitby
Dec 28 22:17:21 <rwhitby> jacques: initctl status, initctl start, initctl stop.
Dec 28 22:17:30 <ird> oops
Dec 28 22:17:33 <ird> so much for that.
Dec 28 22:17:33 <jacques> rwhitby: aha
Dec 28 22:17:42 <ird> yanked the usb out while it was doctoring :(
Dec 28 22:18:01 <jacques> suboptimal.
Dec 28 22:18:06 <rwhitby> ird: just start it again, you won't have broken anything
Dec 28 22:18:21 <rwhitby> as long as it has battery power you won't brick the modem
Dec 28 22:18:35 <lingfish> rwhitby: cya
Dec 28 22:18:40 <rwhitby> you might want to wait 10 minutes, just in case it is in the middle of flashing the modem though
Dec 28 22:18:46 <ird> Guess I have to reboot the phone or something.
Dec 28 22:18:51 <ird> It's stuck on the CPU with the arrow :p
Dec 28 22:19:03 <rwhitby> lingfish: I'll be about during the day - my sysadmin is doing the work - I'm just there to answer the hard questions
Dec 28 22:19:28 <rwhitby> ird: if the doctor was up to 60% or so, then wait 10 minutes before pulling the battery
Dec 28 22:19:38 <alkos333> Has anybody else managed to tether through usbnet in a distro other than Ubuntu?  I'm trying to figure out what kernel modules are needed here.
Dec 28 22:19:45 * jacques goes to read about upstart.
Dec 28 22:19:46 <ird> rwhitby: oops
Dec 28 22:19:46 <ird> :p
Dec 28 22:20:11 <ird> hooray for the up volume usb trick :D
Dec 28 22:20:58 <ird> oh well, it's going again now.
Dec 28 22:21:03 <zsoc> alkos333: you don't need any?
Dec 28 22:21:12 <jacques> alkos333: the big ones are cdc_ether and rndis_host they might pull in what they need
Dec 28 22:22:36 <zsoc> There are distros without them?
Dec 28 22:22:59 <rwhitby> lingfish: are you up for testing openvpn today?
Dec 28 22:23:07 <zsoc> and you should need one or the other, I think just cdc_ether should work
Dec 28 22:23:14 <jacques> some people (like me) build custom kernels, especially on gentoo
Dec 28 22:23:21 <alkos333> Alright, well I have thought, but when I plug in my pre, the usb0 device is not being created.
Dec 28 22:24:09 <jacques> zsoc: is one "better" than the other? as in less resource intensive, etc?
Dec 28 22:24:11 <alkos333> jacques, Yes, I'm one of those people :)
Dec 28 22:24:35 <alkos333> jacques, I use Slackware64 13.0 here
Dec 28 22:25:46 <jacques> alkos333: are those modules loaded?
Dec 28 22:26:03 <jacques> ifconfig -a does not show usb0 ?
Dec 28 22:26:04 <rwhitby> lingfish: easy-rsa cert management is in preware now too
Dec 28 22:27:36 <zsoc> rndis is not very efficient imo
Dec 28 22:27:58 <alkos333> jacques, yes, the modules are loaded
Dec 28 22:28:22 <alkos333> zsoc, rndis_host uses cdc_ether module anyway
Dec 28 22:28:31 <rwhitby> lingfish: openvpn pushed to preware autobuilder
Dec 28 22:28:35 <alkos333> jacques, ifconfig -a   doesn't show usb0
Dec 28 22:28:50 <zsoc> alkos333: really? I thought rndis was a windows thing
Dec 28 22:29:33 <zsoc> jacques: also check dmesg
Dec 28 22:30:16 <alkos333> zsoc, That's what lsmod indicates though.
Dec 28 22:30:44 <jacques> alkos333: and your pre works with usbnet on a different distro ? it's in usbnet mode, right?
Dec 28 22:30:54 <jacques> what does lsusb show for it?
Dec 28 22:31:13 <alkos333> zsoc, Hmm...  that's weird.. it's working :)
Dec 28 22:31:14 <zsoc> ah yes, I suppose enabling usbnet on the webos device is an important step ;)
Dec 28 22:31:20 <alkos333> the usb0 is showing in ifconfig
Dec 28 22:31:21 <zsoc> lol
Dec 28 22:31:28 <zsoc> there you have it :p
Dec 28 22:31:33 <alkos333> I didn't do anything
Dec 28 22:31:40 <alkos333> I've had usbnet enabled, etc.
Dec 28 22:31:49 <jacques> weird
Dec 28 22:31:51 <alkos333> Alright, well that's some kind of magic there..
Dec 28 22:31:57 <alkos333> So where do I go from here exactly?
Dec 28 22:32:11 <jacques> what's your goal?
Dec 28 22:32:29 <alkos333> I'd like to connect to the internet to begin with?
Dec 28 22:32:45 <ird> Looks like you're doing pretty well at that :p
Dec 28 22:32:49 <ird> </sarcasm>
Dec 28 22:32:54 <jacques> did you setup the pre for dnsmasq? is the usb0 on the PC getting configured?
Dec 28 22:33:38 <ird> oh man.. I forgot you can't use wifi to activate :(
Dec 28 22:33:50 <ird> Now I have to go walk around in the cold until I can find somewhere with decent coverage.
Dec 28 22:34:10 <jacques> ird: as someone who works in a no data coverage area, I empathize.
Dec 28 22:34:28 <alkos333> jacques,  I haven't done anything except compile the neede modules so far.  As for the pre... I don't remember what I've done to it :)
Dec 28 22:34:32 <jacques> at least I have decent data service at home
Dec 28 22:34:59 <jacques> alkos333: well, lol you need to know what state it's in :-P
Dec 28 22:35:24 <jacques> apparently at some point you put it into usbnet mode
Dec 28 22:36:07 <ird> I wish I had remembered.
Dec 28 22:36:08 <jacques> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/USBnet_Setup
Dec 28 22:36:10 <ird> I would have used the meta doctor.
Dec 28 22:36:22 <alkos333> jacques, Thanks for the link man - just what I'm looking for.
Dec 28 22:36:43 <jacques> np
Dec 28 22:36:52 <ird> oh wait.
Dec 28 22:37:02 <ird> If I sign into my palm profile from an older version it will nuke it huh?
Dec 28 22:38:13 <ird> I'll make a fake one incase...
Dec 28 22:38:14 <ird> brb
Dec 28 22:39:34 <alkos333> jacques, Ah, hold on a sec.  dnsmasq needs to be set up on the client machine from which I want to connect here..
Dec 28 22:39:47 <alkos333> I remember enabled the usbnet on the pre...
Dec 28 22:41:53 <jacques> dnsmasq config on the pre needs to be modified
Dec 28 22:43:48 <alkos333> jacques, Ah.. ok .. because I"m trying to connect to it, but it's timing out when I'm running dhcpcd usb0
Dec 28 22:45:09 <ird> turning on dev mode...
Dec 28 22:45:31 <jacques> alkos333: you can also manually configure the usb0 on the PC side
Dec 28 22:45:47 <jacques> ifconfig usb0 up 192.168.0.11
Dec 28 22:45:58 <jacques> the pre should be at 192.168.0.202
Dec 28 22:46:16 <jacques> assuming you haven't modified any of the relevant config files
Dec 28 22:49:01 <alkos333> jacques, it defaults to 192.168.0.202?
Dec 28 22:49:19 <destinal> alkos333: yes
Dec 28 22:49:28 <jacques> mine does and I have seen that documented online too
Dec 28 22:50:15 <alkos333> jacques, alright, so I I bring up usb0 and assign that ip to it
Dec 28 22:50:20 <alkos333> then dhcpcd usb0?
Dec 28 22:50:58 <jacques> if you are manually configuring the IP address, you don't use dhcp
Dec 28 22:51:01 <alkos333> why that particular ip address though?
Dec 28 22:51:11 <alkos333> I mean 192.168.0.11 ?
Dec 28 22:51:18 <jacques> anything on 192.168.0 other than .202 should work
Dec 28 22:51:43 <ird> er. can someone give me the command for a luna rescan? I have forgotten it since I haven't used it in ages...
Dec 28 22:51:48 <rwhitby> jacques: /etc/pmnetconfig/funcs or /etc/pmnetconfig/if-up sets the usbnet address
Dec 28 22:51:50 <alkos333> when I try to dhcpcd usb0, I get  "err, usb0: timed out."
Dec 28 22:52:06 <jacques> rwhitby: I thought it was /etc/network/interfaces
Dec 28 22:52:17 <rwhitby> jacques: oh, I was talking about on the Pre
Dec 28 22:52:26 <jacques> rwhitby: me too
Dec 28 22:53:08 <rwhitby> CMUSBDEFAULTGW="192.168.0.200"
Dec 28 22:53:15 <rwhitby> in funcs
Dec 28 22:53:23 <ird> rwhitby: installing patches.
Dec 28 22:53:24 <rwhitby> I expect we're both right
Dec 28 22:53:31 <rwhitby> ird:  from testing feed?
Dec 28 22:53:52 <ird> Just as soon as I get it setup.
Dec 28 22:53:59 <jacques> rwhitby: that's the default gateway for usb0 on the pre side
Dec 28 22:54:24 * rwhitby commutes
Dec 28 22:54:25 <alkos333> Alright, I'm still perplexed here as to how to connect to usb0  and get an ip address from it
Dec 28 22:54:36 <jacques> has the same setting in /etc/network/interfaces - I suppose one of those files could be unused
Dec 28 22:55:37 <ird> rwhitby: should preware not show anything at the moment?
Dec 28 22:55:37 <ird> It only shows "Preware" and the ipkg service as "unknown"
Dec 28 22:55:43 <ird> rwhitby: before I updated the feeds to the testing feeds, ‎I mean.
Dec 28 22:56:00 <jacques> alkos333: until you get dnsmasq configured on the pre, forget about dhcp. if you want to connect ot the pre over usbnet _before_ you get dnsmasq configured, you need to manually set the IP on the PC usb0
Dec 28 22:56:18 <jacques> at that point you should be able to ping 192.168.0.202, and ssh to it as well if you have ssh setup
Dec 28 22:56:32 <alkos333> Alright, that makes sense.  I don't have a dhcp server running on pre, so it won't work that way.
Dec 28 22:56:49 <alkos333> Alright, so I do ifconfig usb0 up 192.168.0.11
Dec 28 22:56:51 <alkos333> and then what?
Dec 28 22:56:58 <jacques> ping 192.168.0.202
Dec 28 22:57:11 <jacques> do you get responses?
Dec 28 22:58:09 <alkos333> Yeah
Dec 28 22:59:27 <jacques> ok, so usbnet is up. now, if you have a sshd running on the pre you can login that way, or you need to use novacom. I assume at this point you want to configure dnsmasq on the pre.
Dec 28 23:00:37 <alkos333> well could I just test to see if the internet connection works without setting the dnsmasq first?
Dec 28 23:01:53 <alkos333> doesn't look like I have sshd running on it at the moment.  I did before - I probably just wiped things out for some reason.  I'll set that up in a little.  I'm just too eager to test the connection at first.
Dec 28 23:03:58 <ird> arg
Dec 28 23:04:05 <ird> how do you make a new line in vi? :|
Dec 28 23:04:17 <jacques> alkos333: you want to use the pre's 3g data connection to provide internet access to your PC ? depending on who your provider is, that may be inappropriate to discuss here.
Dec 28 23:04:32 <jacques> o
Dec 28 23:04:36 <jacques> maybe
Dec 28 23:04:57 <ird> ty
Dec 28 23:05:06 <alkos333> I have Sprint
Dec 28 23:05:25 <jacques> yeah, Sprint does not allow tethering in their ToS
Dec 28 23:06:18 <jacques> last thing we want is trouble with them for giving ppl step-by-step instructions on how to do it. there are several howto's on the internet tho.
Dec 28 23:07:13 <alkos333> Hm.. haven't been able to find one.  webos-internals  just says the "network manager" in ubuntu identified everything on its own... etc
Dec 28 23:08:19 <ird> rwhitby: installing the testing feed patches now.
Dec 28 23:09:39 <CorpX> guys, do i have to uninstall the "linux application" and "service" stuff, under preware?
Dec 28 23:09:46 <CorpX> before i isntall the palm patch
Dec 28 23:10:14 <ird> just run the emergency patch removal tool and you're good to go.
Dec 28 23:10:16 <rwhitby-pre> no
Dec 28 23:11:45 <CorpX> ok thnx
Dec 28 23:12:27 <rwhitby-pre> remove any theme first
Dec 28 23:12:48 <ird> rwhitby-pre: is there any specific patches you'd like tested? Or just any...
Dec 28 23:15:52 <CorpX> anyone having problems getting updates using the palm update app? i browse through app catalog and i see updates, but updater cant find it
Dec 28 23:19:09 <ird> ota time..
Dec 28 23:20:27 <rwhitby> ird: any set of patches will be fine
Dec 28 23:21:25 <ird> well
Dec 28 23:21:30 <ird> We will have results soon.\
Dec 28 23:40:36 <Abyssul_wIRC> howdy
Dec 28 23:41:19 <zsoc> Abyssul: yo
Dec 28 23:41:31 <Abyssul_wIRC> hows it going zsoc ?
Dec 28 23:41:41 <zsoc> Abyssul: oh y'know
Dec 28 23:42:46 <Abyssul_wIRC> Seems like the precorder app lost momentum
Dec 28 23:43:02 <zsoc> Abyssul: momentum is a funny word, a lack of resources really
Dec 28 23:43:30 <Abyssul_wIRC> I suppose :p
Dec 28 23:44:02 <zsoc> Abyssul: at this point I need a beagleboard expert or a TI guy to help me with some DMAI/DaVinci/DSPBridge stuff :)
Dec 28 23:44:24 <zsoc> OR, we could release an awesome amazing incredible C driven piece of amazing, that doesn't record audio ;)
Dec 28 23:44:30 <Abyssul_wIRC> haha I bet palm has one of those :p
Dec 28 23:44:34 <zsoc> But the video would be sweet and record for hours lol
Dec 28 23:45:00 <Abyssul_wIRC> have you tried just a audio recorder?
Dec 28 23:45:05 <zsoc> Abyssul: it's not even the info I need is proprietary, it's out there, i'm just not a low level hardware guy. Once I start seeing hardware addresses in the documentation I tend to shy away lol
Dec 28 23:45:17 <zsoc> Abyssul: that works fine, for the most part.
Dec 28 23:45:42 <Abyssul_wIRC> well I can only get it to record audio for 2 mins
Dec 28 23:45:49 <zsoc> Goodbye stickers theme
Dec 28 23:45:49 <jacques> zsoc: the DSP is used to record audio?
Dec 28 23:46:14 <jacques> I mean, the DSP is part of the audio input stream?
Dec 28 23:46:28 <zsoc> jacques: yes, palm calls it OMX, but it seems to be a pretty standard version of the TI DSP Bridge stuff normally used on OMAP3x boards
Dec 28 23:47:22 <Abyssul_wIRC> I wonder what palm will present at CES. it can't be just 1.3.5. needs to be video recording or flash
Dec 28 23:47:32 <zsoc> jacques: apparently it's wicked difficult to _encode_ audio with only the CPU because of the digital to analog conversion being done. Many more times difficult than recording video. That's why everything in the planet has a DSP, or a chip made to do only that :)
Dec 28 23:47:42 <zsoc> Abyssul: Probably Flash (and therefore GPU access)
Dec 28 23:47:59 <Abyssul_wIRC> yea
Dec 28 23:48:25 <jacques> would be nice
Dec 28 23:48:37 <Abyssul_wIRC> could the pre do flash without the gpu?
Dec 28 23:49:05 <zsoc> jacques: in fact, you could access the DSP right now if you wanted. Just the work it would take a hardware nub like me to reverse engeneer the current encoder + open docs would be intense as a hobby :)
Dec 28 23:49:07 <zsoc> Abyssul: no
Dec 28 23:49:16 <jacques> I think so. maybe the GPU would be good for flash video
Dec 28 23:49:35 <jacques> oops, I defer to zsoc
Dec 28 23:49:46 <zsoc> Abyssul: the Pre can barely render Luna transforms without the GPU :P
Dec 28 23:50:05 <zsoc> Abyssul: It's possible, but it would really be silly. You'd see a lot of memory issue/Luna crashes (Which you'll probably run into anyway)
Dec 28 23:50:33 <Abyssul_wIRC> yea I agree. we need the gpu badly
Dec 28 23:50:37 <jacques> I'm starting to think the pre would benefit greatly from 512MiB RAM
Dec 28 23:50:58 <zsoc> I don't really know much about anything, and I tend to branch off into things I don't know about. So I can confidently state certain accurate things about certain subjects, and at other times ask ridiculously obvious questions about other ones.
Dec 28 23:50:58 <jacques> or not use java :-)
Dec 28 23:51:02 <zsoc> jacques: that is a super understatement
Dec 28 23:51:05 <zsoc> jacques: what java?
Dec 28 23:51:10 <zsoc> jacques: the services you mean?
Dec 28 23:51:20 <jacques> isn't luna written in java ?
Dec 28 23:51:44 <zsoc> jacques: nah man, I'm sure someone would correct me... but I'm pretty certain it's all C. There are just some java hooks for certain services.
Dec 28 23:52:47 <jacques> I see this in ps listing: /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5-palm/bin/java -Xexact -m 10M -Djava.library.path=/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5-palm/bin:/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5-palm/jre/bin:/usr/lib -Dvm.boot.library.path=/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5-palm/jre/bin -bootclasspath /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5-palm/lib/rt.jar:/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5-palm/jre/lib/boot/luni.jar:/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5-palm/jre/lib/boot/nio.jar:/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5-palm/jre/lib/boot/nio_char.jar: ... lots m
Dec 28 23:53:05 <zsoc> Even GPU access is possible right now, it would just take so much work to get it going... when Palm will make it available in 1-3 months. Probably not publicly with working SDKs, but it'll be usable.
Dec 28 23:53:28 <Abyssul_wIRC> "hackable"
Dec 28 23:53:36 <zsoc> jacques: I'm not sure what you're trying to say? There are a lot of java libraries, yes, you need them to write java services :)
Dec 28 23:54:07 <jacques> oh, I thought that process was the luna gui
Dec 28 23:54:37 <zsoc> jacques: LunaSysMgr?
Dec 28 23:55:04 <zsoc> I'm just talking out my belly button here, but that's what I always thought.
Dec 28 23:55:18 <jacques> yeah, isn't that the GUI ?
Dec 28 23:55:50 <zsoc> er.. /usr/bin/LunaSysMgr?
Dec 28 23:56:22 <jacques> ah heh.
Dec 28 23:56:31 <zsoc> I'm not disagreeing that there is a lot of java
Dec 28 23:56:43 <jacques> never mind :-)
Dec 28 23:56:45 <zsoc> but I don't think what the java is being used for is terrible... mostly communications stuff.
Dec 28 23:57:01 <zsoc> But there is no java application support if you would notice :)
Dec 28 23:57:27 <zsoc> although probably wouldn't take much.. a standard lib and an NPAPI.... wonder if anyone is playing with that idea..
Dec 28 23:57:31 <jacques> that does seem a bit strange
Dec 28 23:57:59 <zsoc> jacques: not terrible strange, webOS is an internet, and the internet needs a plugin to run java apps :)
Dec 28 23:58:03 <Abyssul_wIRC> you got zsoc all worked up now
Dec 28 23:58:10 <zsoc> All I'm saying is the plugin probably already exists.
Dec 29 00:00:06 <zsoc> Not really worked up.. just removing all my patches/themes and reinstalling AUPT-compatible stuff...
Dec 29 00:00:16 <zsoc> Need something to rant about in the meantime ;)
Dec 29 00:00:45 <jacques> sorry. it was not my intention
Dec 29 00:01:10 <noaXess> when will next webos version be available, any idea?
Dec 29 00:01:41 <zsoc> noaXess: the guess is tonight/tommorow
Dec 29 00:01:56 <zsoc> jacques: for what? I do not use 'rant' in a negative connotation :)
Dec 29 00:02:35 <jacques> nor do I. but some ppl seem to. :-D
Dec 29 00:03:25 <jacques> I greatly enjoy a good rant.
Dec 29 00:03:30 <zsoc> http://www.khronos.org/openmax/ <-- if anyone is interested in DSP (and in theory, GPU) access, it seems Palm is using OpenMAX API standards (from what I can tell from the audio encoder)
Dec 29 00:04:34 <noaXess> zsoc: are there any information for the new release?
Dec 29 00:04:34 <jacques> ooh, nice. I am interested in accessing the DSP
Dec 29 00:04:54 <zsoc> noaXess: not that anyone could say without breaking an agreement :)
Dec 29 00:05:18 <jacques> gotta relocate. biaw.
Dec 29 00:05:20 <zsoc> jacques: you might also want to strings the gst audio encoder element, might gleen some interesting things from there.
Dec 29 00:05:42 <jacques> zsoc: thanks!
Dec 29 00:05:55 <zsoc> np
Dec 29 00:06:19 <jacques> BTW, what's the status of being able to add audio decoders to gstreamer?
Dec 29 00:06:28 <jacques> did ppl find out it's very difficult?
Dec 29 00:06:40 <jacques> would that require DSP access?
Dec 29 00:06:49 <noaXess> is there any ntp service to setup the clock over wifi?
Dec 29 00:06:58 <jacques> I would love to have FLAC support, for example
Dec 29 00:07:06 <noaXess> my pre doesn't get the time over my mobile provider..
Dec 29 00:07:33 <zsoc> jacques: no, decoding is fine, me and others have decoded/decode OGG and FLAC on a regular basis
Dec 29 00:07:36 <zsoc> it's really no trouble at all
Dec 29 00:08:13 <jacques> zsoc: but as far as adding plugins to the webos gstreamer, are there any great hurdles?
Dec 29 00:08:35 <zsoc> jacques: no, you just put them there and run a gst register, and as of 1.3.1, you don't even have to do that. you just put them where they belong.
Dec 29 00:08:47 <jacques> oh that is sweet
Dec 29 00:08:49 <zsoc> jacques: and you can play them back with filebin, or a custom pipeline
Dec 29 00:09:09 <jacques> ok I really gotta go. back later tonight.
Dec 29 00:09:17 <zsoc> jacques: the problem is all the proprietary java stuff that palm uses in the flow that happens to play stuff through GUI ;)
Dec 29 00:09:18 <zsoc> ok, peace
Dec 29 00:12:08 <r_e> zsoc are you saying you can play flac on your Pre?
Dec 29 00:12:48 <zsoc> r_e: sure, anyone can
Dec 29 00:13:19 <zsoc> r_e: there's just no "boxed" solution, and there won't be unless an opensource MediaServer and FileIndexer get created.
Dec 29 00:13:20 <r_e> through
Dec 29 00:13:31 <zsoc> r_e: through command line, or a service the runs command line commands
Dec 29 00:13:50 <r_e> oh, so no gui solution
Dec 29 00:14:13 <zsoc> In theory, one could make a C service that invokes gstreamer (probably through playbin) to play any files you have available of any type that's playable with whatever decoders you have
Dec 29 00:14:28 <zsoc> Although right now, puff is the only guy with the necessary skills to do it, and he's MIA for awhile to my understanding.
Dec 29 00:15:27 <rwhitby> zsoc: we have an exampleservice written in C now
Dec 29 00:15:31 <zsoc> But someone could look at PrecorderD and use the example along with the gstreamer application developer guide to making something that builds pipelines to play back :)
Dec 29 00:15:36 <rwhitby> zsoc: and the autobuilder builds it
Dec 29 00:16:11 <zsoc> rwhitby: er, I guess the "skills" i meant were a combination of "C service for webos" and "gstreamer application development". But you're right, both of those things can be learned seperately, and probably quickly if you're a C/Linux guy
Dec 29 00:16:35 <r_e> this is way over my head but interesting none the less
Dec 29 00:16:47 <zsoc> ajames was actually thinking about an opensource MediaServer, but he disappeared again
Dec 29 00:18:43 <zsoc> rwhitby: are the testing versions of ipkgmgr/preware actually different appids? because they aren't showing as available "upgrades"
Dec 29 00:18:47 <zsoc> er, updates, i mean
Dec 29 00:19:32 <rwhitby> they are the same appid, and do show if you have the feeds set up correctly
Dec 29 00:19:41 <zsoc> ah, nevermind, i installed the newest versions manually before i set up the feeds, my bad
Dec 29 00:19:57 <zsoc> rwhitby: is there anything necessary to "turn on" aupt? Or is it just having aupt-compatible patches installed?
Dec 29 00:23:29 <zsoc> rwhitby: also is there anyway to verify i'm downloading the 'testing' version of the patches? I turned off webos-patches in manage feeds and turned out webos-patches-testing (as i named it). Can I tell some how in the patch info?
Dec 29 00:23:38 <zsoc> s/out/on
Dec 29 00:26:54 <lingfish> rwhitby: heya... sorry was in another screen sesh.
Dec 29 00:27:08 <lingfish> I should probably just put all my IRCs onto the one irssi... tooooo many windows
Dec 29 00:30:37 <zsoc> I can't believe how many patches i use.
Dec 29 00:31:08 <rwhitby> zsoc: it's all in the patches, and the latest preware and ipkgservice
Dec 29 00:31:10 <rwhitby> lingfish: openvpn is in preware now
Dec 29 00:31:24 <lingfish> rwhitby: nice... I should be able to play soon.
Dec 29 00:31:32 <zsoc> rwhitby: I have preware xx13 and ipkgservice xx26
Dec 29 00:31:40 <rwhitby> zsoc: yep
Dec 29 00:31:47 <zsoc> rwhitby: and as far as the update goes... I just update, and then open preware again after?
Dec 29 00:38:01 <noaXess> is there any ntp service to setup the clock over wifi?
Dec 29 00:38:10 <rwhitby> zsoc: yep
Dec 29 00:39:41 <zsoc> rwhitby: if this actually functions, you guys are pretty much amazing. Who is working on this? eric?
Dec 29 00:40:03 <rwhitby> zsoc: eric, myself, daniel
Dec 29 00:40:12 <rwhitby> zsoc: have you read the preware features roadmap post?
Dec 29 00:40:20 <zsoc> rwhitby: Yes. It's very.. long.
Dec 29 00:40:25 <zsoc> And I think over most peoples heads lol.
Dec 29 00:40:38 <zsoc> It's very strange for 'homebrew' to have any sort of organization, I really think it confuses people.
Dec 29 00:42:04 <ird> hmm.
Dec 29 00:42:34 <ird> rwhitby: about to find out if this worked for me or not.
Dec 29 00:43:18 <ird> One question.
Dec 29 00:43:37 <ird> Why did webos-internals.conf get reverted back to the original sources?
Dec 29 00:45:25 <rwhitby> ird: cause it always does.  use a webos-internals-testing.conf file if you want something different
Dec 29 00:45:38 * zsoc made secondary feeds and turned off the originals
Dec 29 00:45:48 <zsoc> I'd imagine they revert for security purposes.
Dec 29 00:45:48 <Abyssul_wIRC> anyone know why my pre keeps going to touch.facebook when I want to go to the original?
Dec 29 00:45:49 <rwhitby> yep, that's the way to do it
Dec 29 00:46:01 <rwhitby> zsoc: more for sanity rather than security
Dec 29 00:46:03 <ird> rwhitby: I see, thanks
Dec 29 00:46:05 <Abyssul_wIRC> no spoof either
Dec 29 00:46:33 <zsoc> Abyssul: is your google in english?
Dec 29 00:46:59 <Abyssul_wIRC> yea
Dec 29 00:47:40 <egaudet> rwhitby, can I get a test patches feed rebuild when you get a chance
Dec 29 00:48:58 <Abyssul_wIRC> zsoc: : yea
Dec 29 00:49:16 <zsoc> Abyssul: then I have no idea
Dec 29 00:49:58 <Abyssul_wIRC> can't wait for 1.3.5 so I can doctor
Dec 29 00:53:05 * ird taps millions of ok buttons
Dec 29 00:53:13 <ird> Failed!
Dec 29 00:53:17 <ird> L(
Dec 29 00:53:18 <ird> er
Dec 29 00:53:19 <ird> :(
Dec 29 00:54:07 <egaudet> why are you tapping ok buttons
Dec 29 00:54:34 <ird> The confirmation dialog.
Dec 29 00:54:49 <zsoc> That should go away soon :>
Dec 29 00:54:51 <egaudet> The test feed package service has signing
Dec 29 00:55:13 <zsoc> I actually just realized I didn't have to click ok for anything lol.
Dec 29 00:55:33 <ird> I am using the package manager and preware from the testing feed :\
Dec 29 00:55:57 <zsoc> ird: yes, but (apparently) you need to use the PATCHES testing feed as well, as that is where the magic is
Dec 29 00:56:02 <zsoc> er, some of it at least
Dec 29 00:56:14 <muesli> will toy with that idea
Dec 29 00:56:20 <egaudet> yea you need the testing patches feed too
Dec 29 00:56:27 <muesli> if the location api even works without gps it'd be great
Dec 29 00:56:55 <zsoc> muesli: i think you mis-channeled ;)
Dec 29 00:57:01 <ird> I'll be back in... a few days.
Dec 29 00:57:13 <muesli> zsoc: woops :) sorry guys
Dec 29 00:57:22 <zsoc> muesli: np, i followed you fine, lol
Dec 29 00:58:48 <zsoc> egaudet: there should be a little green checkmark that pops up like "signature verified" right after download and during patch install, just for awesome good feelings :) Although I suppose that's oil territory...
Dec 29 00:58:52 <ird> I feel like an idiot now.
Dec 29 00:59:07 <oil> thats easy
Dec 29 00:59:30 <oil> though, the service would need to tell me its passed with the signature
Dec 29 00:59:50 <zsoc> json ftw :D
Dec 29 01:00:30 <zsoc> ird: nah, just think of it this way, once it's set up properly, there'll be a lot less 'ok' pressing :>
Dec 29 01:01:12 * zsoc steals commit access and tells oil when packages pass signature verification
Dec 29 01:02:02 <rwhitby-pre> egaudet: done
Dec 29 01:02:54 * zsoc wonders what's done
Dec 29 01:03:29 <oil> zsoc, if you're going to add it, just make it another flag in the install subscription
Dec 29 01:03:43 <oil> and ill trigger the banner when its seen
Dec 29 01:05:17 <zsoc> oil: as much as I'd like an excuse to get into the ipkgmgr changelog, I'd probably break something :>
Dec 29 01:05:29 <zsoc> er ipkgservice
Dec 29 01:08:09 <egaudet> rwhitby-pre, anyway to build so that virtual keyboard's .themes and .sounds directories don't get setuid permission?
Dec 29 01:08:28 <en0x> yeah
Dec 29 01:08:30 <en0x> 1.3.6
Dec 29 01:08:31 <en0x> 1.3.5
Dec 29 01:08:33 <en0x> !!!!!
Dec 29 01:08:38 <en0x> 13MB only
Dec 29 01:09:43 * oil downloads
Dec 29 01:09:45 <oldsage> may be 13 meg but will take a long time to download because everyone is doing it at the same time
Dec 29 01:09:53 <en0x> right
Dec 29 01:09:53 <rwhitby-away> egaudet: dunno
Dec 29 01:10:34 * oil wonders if rick will be able to update this time xD
Dec 29 01:10:46 <en0x> it will take ages :S
Dec 29 01:11:15 <zsoc> oil: er... something like... "reply.put("sigvalidation","verified");" in the validation check in the install sub?
Dec 29 01:11:18 <rwhitby-away> egaudet: so, we have a decision point.  do we push current aupt for 1.3.5 now?
Dec 29 01:11:30 <zsoc> rwhitby-away: i'm testing it right now
Dec 29 01:11:31 <rwhitby-away> zsoc: that'd do it
Dec 29 01:11:36 <egaudet> no no no
Dec 29 01:11:54 <rwhitby-away> egaudet: ok
Dec 29 01:12:02 <en0x> http://kb.palm.com/wps/portal/kb/na/pre/p100eww/sprint/solutions/article/50607_en.html#135
Dec 29 01:12:08 <en0x> a lot of update to app catalog
Dec 29 01:12:11 <zsoc> rwhitby-away: then can i have commit access or do you just want to toss that in there real quick? :)
Dec 29 01:12:13 <en0x> can download multiple apps
Dec 29 01:12:14 <en0x> :D
Dec 29 01:12:22 <egaudet> I'm not nearly confident in it yet, especially since my last attempt before getting sick and the holiday was a completely terrible EPR debacle
Dec 29 01:12:50 <en0x> something useful
Dec 29 01:12:52 <en0x> A user can perform a full erase by pressing and holding Sym + the orange/Option key + power for 10 seconds.
Dec 29 01:12:55 <en0x> :D
Dec 29 01:13:28 <zsoc> Hey a new font for screen lock ;)
Dec 29 01:14:07 <en0x> yap
Dec 29 01:14:08 <en0x> ;]
Dec 29 01:14:13 <zsoc> Wow, notifications in landscape mode, that's actually useful.
Dec 29 01:14:23 <en0x> finally
Dec 29 01:14:48 <zsoc> ooo, and animated .gifs
Dec 29 01:14:59 <en0x> fuck man u r faster than me
Dec 29 01:15:00 <en0x> :P
Dec 29 01:15:04 <zsoc> lol sorry
Dec 29 01:15:15 <zsoc> I have finger issues when I'm excited by something.
Dec 29 01:15:25 <en0x> lol
Dec 29 01:16:12 <jeezyyo> sup mai niggas
Dec 29 01:16:46 <oil> lol
Dec 29 01:17:06 <en0x> i wonder how many undocumented tricks they made :P
Dec 29 01:17:59 <rwhitby-away> doctor is still 1.3.1
Dec 29 01:18:17 <en0x> doctor usually comes out after few days
Dec 29 01:18:20 <en0x> doesn't it?
Dec 29 01:18:27 <rwhitby-away> yeah
Dec 29 01:18:40 <en0x> i doctered my pre to 1.3.1
Dec 29 01:18:45 <en0x> so with this i should be good
Dec 29 01:18:56 <en0x> i wonder about the improved speed
Dec 29 01:18:56 <en0x> :)
Dec 29 01:19:41 <grndslm> when it kept talking about improved speed and improved battery life.... i thought for sure they figured out the gpu schtuff by now...
Dec 29 01:19:57 <grndslm> and then i saw something today that said, "improved battery life in weak signal areas"
Dec 29 01:20:00 <grndslm> or some shiz like that
Dec 29 01:20:03 <grndslm> shit'z weak
Dec 29 01:20:07 * rwhitby-away needs to wait for the real update to install, before he can tweet about all the good stuff which should be there ...
Dec 29 01:20:32 <zsoc> rwhitby / rwhitby-away: did you get my question about service edit? Are you making it or giving me access?
Dec 29 01:21:02 <zsoc> Hmm.. its "unpacking" the update, I don't recall that verbage in previous updates.
Dec 29 01:21:13 <rwhitby-away> zsoc: hold off on that, cause it doesn't actually check the signature yet, just the presence of a signature
Dec 29 01:21:17 <zsoc> grndslm: wait for CES, complain after :)
Dec 29 01:21:22 <CorpX> anyone know how big this update is
Dec 29 01:21:23 <zsoc> rwhitby-away: OH, ha, yeah.
Dec 29 01:21:27 <CorpX> im like 5% in thru wifi
Dec 29 01:21:28 <zsoc> CorpX: 13Mb
Dec 29 01:21:30 <grndslm> hah
Dec 29 01:21:34 <CorpX> damn its taking forever
Dec 29 01:21:35 <grndslm> ces is pretty soon, eh?
Dec 29 01:21:36 <rwhitby-away> 30% here
Dec 29 01:21:40 <rwhitby-away> 7th
Dec 29 01:21:44 * zsoc just finished downloading
Dec 29 01:21:48 <grndslm> wow
Dec 29 01:21:52 <grndslm> nice
Dec 29 01:22:04 <zsoc> I have priority at my super sekret EVDO locations
Dec 29 01:22:09 <grndslm> palm better have a few cards up its sleeve, i know that
Dec 29 01:22:33 <en0x> i'm at the d letter
Dec 29 01:22:37 <en0x> of "Downloading"
Dec 29 01:22:37 <en0x> :>
Dec 29 01:22:57 <rwhitby-away> 'a'
Dec 29 01:23:02 <zsoc> I'm curious about 135 _final_ release, I'm betting there are going to be some interesting unused binaries floating around.
Dec 29 01:24:34 <en0x> oh unpacking
Dec 29 01:24:35 <en0x> yey
Dec 29 01:24:35 <en0x> :D
Dec 29 01:24:37 <rwhitby-away> hmm:  sh -c /usr/share/downloadupdate/ipkgdelta patch -r / ondevicedemod /var/lib/software/tmp/ondevicedemod.ipk /var/lib/software/tmp/ondevicedemod.ipk.dipk /media/internal/save_for_software_update/
Dec 29 01:25:07 * zsoc has been stuck at "unpacking" for almost 5 minutes, not a great sign
Dec 29 01:25:12 <lingfish> How the F do I get a Palm dev's attention, argh!
Dec 29 01:25:18 <zsoc> lingfish: chuq
Dec 29 01:25:19 <rwhitby-away> ipkgdelta is a script :-)
Dec 29 01:25:32 <rwhitby-away> lingfish: palm forums
Dec 29 01:25:32 <en0x> zsoc, lol maybe its compressed 20 times
Dec 29 01:25:36 <zsoc> lingfish: unless by 'dev' you mean an engineer, and then never. They are locked away, deep inside a dekret location
Dec 29 01:25:37 <en0x> so thats why is so small
Dec 29 01:25:38 <en0x> :D
Dec 29 01:25:41 <zsoc> s/dekret/sekret
Dec 29 01:25:45 <lingfish> rwhitby-away: done that.  Not a single reply on three bugs.
Dec 29 01:26:07 <en0x> lingfish, maybe those are lame ass bugs?
Dec 29 01:26:08 <en0x> ;P
Dec 29 01:26:15 <lingfish> HAH!
Dec 29 01:26:29 <lingfish> IMAP sync stopping based on a particular e-mail?  I'd call that non-lame ;)
Dec 29 01:26:42 <en0x> i better see some speed improvment
Dec 29 01:26:51 <lingfish> I want 1.3.5 now dammit.
Dec 29 01:27:12 <zsoc> lingfish: i think the problem there is reliable recreateability. Palm knows there are IMAP issues
Dec 29 01:27:16 <en0x> wtf is up with that unpacking...
Dec 29 01:27:17 <zsoc> lingfish: go download it :P
Dec 29 01:27:36 <lingfish> zsoc: I just ran Update and it doesn't offer it :(
Dec 29 01:27:53 <rwhitby-away> ok, so the bsdiff binaries we found in 1.3.1 are now being used to download 1.3.5 :-)
Dec 29 01:28:06 <zsoc> en0x: They might have broken it, I'm seriously going to be interested if it's still 'unpacking' after 10 minutes
Dec 29 01:28:14 <zsoc> rwhitby: you stracing or polling dbus? :p
Dec 29 01:28:31 <en0x> wow now it got so slow that I can unlock my pre
Dec 29 01:28:35 <lingfish> zsoc: I don't think its up for GSM Pre yet?
Dec 29 01:28:35 <en0x> 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
Dec 29 01:28:38 <en0x> yey it unlocked
Dec 29 01:28:45 <en0x> "deep breth"
Dec 29 01:28:47 <zsoc> Ugh, that could be why it's so small. I'm going to have to check md5s for EVERY BINARY i use for testing things
Dec 29 01:28:50 <en0x> breath
Dec 29 01:29:06 <zsoc> Yeah, lotsa stuff going on here. It's taking forever to 'unpack', I'm imaging it's doing more than unpacking.
Dec 29 01:29:19 <zsoc> "ipkgdelta"
Dec 29 01:29:19 <zsoc> wtf
Dec 29 01:29:32 <en0x> what is daz?
Dec 29 01:29:38 <zsoc> a process running
Dec 29 01:29:39 <zsoc> i dunno
Dec 29 01:29:48 <Abyssul_wIRC> are the patches updated for 1.3.5?
Dec 29 01:29:55 <en0x> Abyssul_wIRC, i believe so
Dec 29 01:29:57 <zsoc> Abyssul: yes
Dec 29 01:30:12 <en0x> what about the notification light
Dec 29 01:30:12 <lingfish> Anyone?  Is 1.3.5 avail for German Pre?
Dec 29 01:30:19 <en0x> is is enabled by default now?
Dec 29 01:30:21 <zsoc> lingfish: it would seem no :/
Dec 29 01:30:24 <en0x> lingfish, nope
Dec 29 01:30:27 <lingfish> bah.
Dec 29 01:30:36 <Abyssul_wIRC> hmm... I think I'll wait til I get home to doctor :)
Dec 29 01:30:49 <en0x> Abyssul_wIRC, no doctor yet with 1.3.5
Dec 29 01:31:12 <lingfish> I'll have to work out what patches I've applied :/
Dec 29 01:31:14 <Abyssul_wIRC> I use the 1.3.1 doctor and update
Dec 29 01:31:22 <en0x> Abyssul_wIRC, thats what I did
Dec 29 01:31:39 <en0x> well anyway i'm happy about the battery improve in weak signal areas
Dec 29 01:31:51 <en0x> i work in basement and i pretty much dont get coverage there
Dec 29 01:31:53 <en0x> good for me ;D
Dec 29 01:32:05 <ird> en0x: me too
Dec 29 01:32:18 <ird> I don't work in a basement, but coverage sucks where my house is.
Dec 29 01:32:18 <en0x> so my battery would die in 4 hrs
Dec 29 01:32:44 <Abyssul_wIRC> lets see the change log :)
Dec 29 01:32:54 <en0x> Abyssul_wIRC, i already seen it twice ;)
Dec 29 01:33:02 <en0x> ird, at my house I get full bars
Dec 29 01:33:42 <zsoc> Ok, I've been unpacking for 10 minutes now, I think it's borked :)
Dec 29 01:33:44 <ird> en0x: It's not so bad since I have wifi. I can still make calls and sms fine.
Dec 29 01:33:53 <ird> But in no voice inside.
Dec 29 01:34:08 <en0x> i see
Dec 29 01:34:10 <ird> Unless you're lucky and can be perfectly still.
Dec 29 01:34:19 <en0x> i have coverage everywhere
Dec 29 01:34:24 <ird> I mean "No voice inside"
Dec 29 01:34:33 <en0x> i was only roaming in nyc in bronx
Dec 29 01:34:39 <en0x> zsoc, validating :D
Dec 29 01:34:41 <Abyssul_wIRC> wow, landscape notifications
Dec 29 01:34:43 <ird> I went there a long time ago.
Dec 29 01:34:58 <zsoc> en0x: which is funny, service in brooklyn is good ;)
Dec 29 01:35:11 <en0x> zsoc, brooklyn is good
Dec 29 01:35:13 <en0x> but bronx sux
Dec 29 01:35:24 <en0x> anyway i dont go to nyc very often so i dont care
Dec 29 01:35:25 <en0x> :p
Dec 29 01:35:50 <Abyssul_wIRC> animated gif support in web browser? nonsense! I want it in the messaging app lol
Dec 29 01:35:55 <egaudet> landscape notifications really
Dec 29 01:36:14 <zsoc> egaudet: i was surprised too
Dec 29 01:36:27 <rwhitby-away> zsoc: unpacking will take some time
Dec 29 01:37:33 <en0x> oh they changed the installing update screen too
Dec 29 01:37:34 <zsoc> rwhitby-away: apparently :)
Dec 29 01:37:36 <en0x> nice touch
Dec 29 01:37:57 <en0x> in 1.3.1
Dec 29 01:38:04 <Abyssul_wIRC> the app catalog got the majority of updates lol
Dec 29 01:38:15 <en0x> probably they hired better graphic guy
Dec 29 01:38:15 <en0x> :D
Dec 29 01:38:18 <rwhitby-away> zsoc: running strace on it probably slows it down too :-)
Dec 29 01:38:47 <zsoc> rwhitby-away: lulz, true that
Dec 29 01:38:48 <en0x> why they are running strace on unpacking? lol
Dec 29 01:39:02 <zsoc> en0x: to look at it matrix style? :D
Dec 29 01:39:13 <rwhitby-away> en0x: *they* are not.  *I* am.
Dec 29 01:39:18 <jacques_pre> cool, update is available for me too now
Dec 29 01:39:43 * rwhitby-away is glad he has a dev Pre to test this on, before updating his GSM Pre.
Dec 29 01:39:53 <jacques_pre> but do I want it. that is the question
Dec 29 01:40:21 <jacques_pre> yeah, I wish I had a dev phone
Dec 29 01:40:38 <zsoc> Eh, I like breaking my production device over and over.
Dec 29 01:40:52 <rwhitby-away> egaudet: do we have virtual-keyboard released for 1.3.5 ?
Dec 29 01:41:13 <egaudet> no, I never got access
Dec 29 01:41:42 <egaudet> I'll see how easy a port it is once I get the update
Dec 29 01:41:46 <en0x> zsoc, the installing update takes longer than unpacking :P
Dec 29 01:41:56 <rwhitby-away> egaudet: you didn't ask chuq?
Dec 29 01:41:57 <egaudet> (installing patches on 1.2.1 right now )
Dec 29 01:42:09 <egaudet> i did, i only got halfway though
Dec 29 01:42:20 <en0x> didnt sign nda? :P
Dec 29 01:43:28 <grndslm> "Users can now take advantage of the full storage capacity of the phone for downloading applications. This gives the user more control over how to allocate the phone’s storage space across applications, music, photos, and other media. Downloaded applications are now stored on the phone’s USB drive."
Dec 29 01:43:36 <grndslm> ... so it doesn't repartition anything??
Dec 29 01:43:52 <grndslm> or they just move space with lvm?
Dec 29 01:43:56 <egaudet> cryptofs
Dec 29 01:44:03 <grndslm> no way
Dec 29 01:44:26 <en0x> ya wai
Dec 29 01:44:43 <zsoc> zomg
Dec 29 01:45:14 <jacques_pre> writing to flash seems slow in general to me on the Pre
Dec 29 01:45:24 <en0x> its fast for me
Dec 29 01:45:33 <en0x> i write something like 1gb in 5minutes
Dec 29 01:45:33 <en0x> or so
Dec 29 01:46:29 <jacques_pre> 200mB/min
Dec 29 01:46:52 <jacques_pre> about 3 mB/s
Dec 29 01:47:05 <rwhitby-away> download failed :-(
Dec 29 01:47:26 <en0x> haah
Dec 29 01:47:28 <en0x> suca
Dec 29 01:47:31 <en0x> sucka*
Dec 29 01:47:55 <rwhitby-away> I guess I mucked around with it too much
Dec 29 01:48:04 <rwhitby-away> but I did get all the .ipks ;-)
Dec 29 01:48:08 <en0x> it probably because of the strace
Dec 29 01:48:09 <zsoc> LOL
Dec 29 01:48:12 <en0x> how many of them
Dec 29 01:48:13 <en0x> ?
Dec 29 01:48:13 <oil> hey its got a progress bar
Dec 29 01:48:13 <en0x> :>
Dec 29 01:48:25 <en0x> oil, it always had
Dec 29 01:48:26 <en0x> lol
Dec 29 01:48:28 <oil> no
Dec 29 01:48:32 <en0x> yes
Dec 29 01:48:34 <oil> before it just had that "busy status"
Dec 29 01:48:41 <zsoc> en0x: he makes 100 million strace per goal unit :>
Dec 29 01:48:43 <oil> now it actually seems to show progress
Dec 29 01:48:50 <zsoc> oil: OH
Dec 29 01:48:56 <zsoc> THE SPINNY BAR IS THE PROGRESS BAR
Dec 29 01:48:59 <en0x> im almost done
Dec 29 01:48:59 <en0x> :D
Dec 29 01:49:02 <rwhitby-away> 168 ipkgs updated it seems
Dec 29 01:49:08 <oil> the white thing going around it
Dec 29 01:49:11 <en0x> rwhitby-away, thats a lot ;)
Dec 29 01:49:22 * lingfish checks Updates again, and phails :(
Dec 29 01:49:26 <zsoc> rwhitby: do the names of the ipkgs corrispond with the files/binaries changed/added?
Dec 29 01:49:42 <en0x> yey its rebooting
Dec 29 01:49:43 <en0x> ;D
Dec 29 01:50:21 <Abyssul_wIRC> compared to the past, this update is small in size
Dec 29 01:50:46 <rwhitby-away> Abyssul_wIRC: that's cause it's binary deltas - you should follow @webosinternals ;-)
Dec 29 01:51:02 <rwhitby-away> hmm - /var/lib/software/SessionFiles has some interesting stuff in it
Dec 29 01:51:09 <en0x> binary deltas
Dec 29 01:51:11 <en0x> =
Dec 29 01:51:14 <en0x> binary patches
Dec 29 01:51:16 <en0x> right?
Dec 29 01:51:37 <rwhitby-away> binary deltas to ipk files
Dec 29 01:51:55 <en0x> gotta do a little research on this
Dec 29 01:52:34 <rwhitby-away> Interesting, the Sprint update now uninstalls the GSM firmware package.  I was wondering when they'd get to that.
Dec 29 01:52:35 <en0x> its still a slow boot
Dec 29 01:52:47 <zsoc> en0x: deltas.. you know, like the little triangle symbol ;)
Dec 29 01:52:54 <en0x> hehehe
Dec 29 01:53:00 <en0x> like the airline
Dec 29 01:53:08 <en0x> that had terrorist
Dec 29 01:53:08 <en0x> :P
Dec 29 01:53:13 <en0x> hmm
Dec 29 01:53:13 <en0x> wtf
Dec 29 01:53:18 <en0x> its booting for 4 minutes now
Dec 29 01:53:44 <rwhitby-away> en0x: novaterm in to see what it's doing
Dec 29 01:53:52 <en0x> i got email notification
Dec 29 01:53:58 <en0x> but luna is still starting
Dec 29 01:53:58 <en0x> lol
Dec 29 01:54:05 <en0x> plsing palm logo
Dec 29 01:54:07 <en0x> pulsing*
Dec 29 01:54:21 <oil> well the email app is started on bootup
Dec 29 01:54:25 <en0x> oh shit
Dec 29 01:54:29 <en0x> its blazing fast!!!
Dec 29 01:54:42 <oil> lol
Dec 29 01:54:42 <jacques_pre> speaking of twitter, is there a good webos app?
Dec 29 01:54:49 <zsoc> en0x: you are a super troll :P
Dec 29 01:54:55 <en0x> zsoc, hahahaha
Dec 29 01:55:03 <en0x> jacques_pre, i use tweed
Dec 29 01:55:54 <en0x> im going to check the app catalog
Dec 29 01:56:26 <jacques_pre> thanks en0x
Dec 29 01:56:27 <grndslm> <en0x> oh shit
Dec 29 01:56:27 <grndslm> <en0x> its blazing fast!!!
Dec 29 01:56:27 <zsoc> grndslm: he was trolling you
Dec 29 01:56:28 <grndslm> hahaha... i'm gonna upgrade now just cuzz that
Dec 29 01:56:28 <grndslm> yea, i know... it was funny tho
Dec 29 01:56:31 <grndslm> so funny it worked
Dec 29 01:56:33 <en0x> finally no beta tag on app catalog
Dec 29 01:56:54 <en0x> and even the color in app catalog changed a little
Dec 29 01:57:00 <en0x> its lighter blue
Dec 29 01:57:00 <en0x> :)
Dec 29 01:57:30 <en0x> and when u tap the bag icon
Dec 29 01:57:36 <en0x> there is no longer updates
Dec 29 01:57:37 <en0x> :(
Dec 29 01:57:42 <en0x> only my applications
Dec 29 01:58:36 <zsoc> I too am notices multiple notifications during Luna boot. This is odd for me I believe.
Dec 29 01:58:56 <oil> that sentence was so bad
Dec 29 01:58:59 <en0x> i got an error in preware
Dec 29 01:59:00 <en0x> :(
Dec 29 01:59:09 <en0x> "failure during 'getConfigs' operation"
Dec 29 01:59:15 <zsoc> oil: i am not the native english talker
Dec 29 01:59:29 <corq-FL> the update logo is weird. was it a ball with a circle round it last time?
Dec 29 01:59:32 <en0x> yap preware is fubar for me
Dec 29 01:59:32 <zsoc> rwhitby: so i broke preware
Dec 29 01:59:33 <en0x> :(
Dec 29 01:59:47 <zsoc> rwhitby: actually, maybe everyone broke it
Dec 29 01:59:57 <zsoc> corq-FL: no thats new
Dec 29 02:00:13 <oil> zsoc: i didn't know that
Dec 29 02:00:14 <corq-FL> ah, k thx :)
Dec 29 02:00:54 <en0x> woot
Dec 29 02:00:56 <jacques_pre> my pre is jerky. I wonder if it's downloading in the background over wifi
Dec 29 02:00:56 <en0x> second reboot
Dec 29 02:00:57 <oil> in that case, it was very good, better then any sentence i could hope to construct in another language
Dec 29 02:01:02 <en0x> and it was still showing updating system
Dec 29 02:01:03 <en0x> wtf
Dec 29 02:01:09 <en0x> and now is booting again
Dec 29 02:01:11 <en0x> hmm
Dec 29 02:01:11 <zsoc> oil: I'm sorry, I will fess up, that was a joke. I just have a mental condition that stops me from being able to form words using the proper tense while typing.
Dec 29 02:01:14 <zsoc> Well, in english anyway.
Dec 29 02:01:44 <zsoc> en0x's trolling gave me courage to troll others ;)
Dec 29 02:01:45 <en0x> i;m not a native speaker too
Dec 29 02:01:46 <oil> lol
Dec 29 02:02:08 <en0x> fuck me preware is borked
Dec 29 02:02:09 <en0x> !!!!!
Dec 29 02:02:23 <zsoc> en0x: hold on, i'm poking around it
Dec 29 02:04:01 <oil> what did you do to my preware?
Dec 29 02:04:11 <CorpX> update is taking a long ass time to download
Dec 29 02:04:11 <en0x> oil, u broke it!
Dec 29 02:04:16 <CorpX> i mean install
Dec 29 02:04:23 * oil hasn't pushed an update in a week or so
Dec 29 02:04:27 <en0x> landscape notifications are FTW!
Dec 29 02:04:38 <oil> oh wait, did 9.15 ever go out?
Dec 29 02:04:47 <zsoc> rwhitby: GetConfigs is super b0rked, which I'm sure you see and am looking at now
Dec 29 02:04:53 <oil> i mean, 13
Dec 29 02:05:09 <oil> im still waiting for my pre to boot up from update
Dec 29 02:05:38 <Robi_> ha!
Dec 29 02:06:02 <en0x> i have 0.9.13 preware
Dec 29 02:06:08 <en0x> lemme check the service
Dec 29 02:06:20 <Robi_> darnit tethering doesn't work
Dec 29 02:07:18 <en0x> tethering sux
Dec 29 02:07:37 <CorpX> updating the file system
Dec 29 02:07:38 <CorpX> wtf
Dec 29 02:07:51 <CorpX> this could take a while
Dec 29 02:07:54 <CorpX> i hope i dont lose my porn
Dec 29 02:08:08 <rwhitby-away> en0x: what are you seeing?
Dec 29 02:08:29 <zsoc> rwhitby-away: hopefully it's just the testing versions that are broken
Dec 29 02:08:40 <en0x> "failure during 'getConfigs' operation"
Dec 29 02:08:42 <en0x> rwhitby-away, ^
Dec 29 02:09:16 <en0x> org.webosinternals.ipkgservice - 0.9.26 - Package Manager Service
Dec 29 02:09:22 <en0x> hmm should be all good
Dec 29 02:09:24 <sampson> OMG 1.3.5OMGOMGOMG
Dec 29 02:09:27 <zsoc> are those testing versions? i don't even know
Dec 29 02:09:28 <NiteTrek> Hi...just did the 1.3.5 update. Is Preware supposed to be compatible? I'm getting errors when I download.
Dec 29 02:09:36 <zsoc> Oh, and it starts
Dec 29 02:09:37 * zsoc hides
Dec 29 02:09:40 <sampson> hahaha
Dec 29 02:09:42 <rwhitby-away> NiteTrek: what errors please
Dec 29 02:09:46 <sampson> i was being ironic :D
Dec 29 02:09:55 <NiteTrek> OnFeeds Error TypeError: cannot read property length of undefined
Dec 29 02:10:04 <NiteTrek> That happens when I launch Preware
Dec 29 02:10:07 <rwhitby-away> NiteTrek: can you get a command line on the Pre?
Dec 29 02:10:14 <NiteTrek> Yes...just a sec
Dec 29 02:10:17 <rwhitby-away> NiteTrek: did you reboot the Pre after teh update?
Dec 29 02:10:27 <en0x> i did
Dec 29 02:10:28 <en0x> ;P
Dec 29 02:10:35 <NiteTrek> I think the Pre rebooted itself...I can try again.
Dec 29 02:10:51 <NiteTrek> Restarting now....
Dec 29 02:11:05 <en0x> hmm
Dec 29 02:11:07 <en0x> uploadd.ipk
Dec 29 02:11:09 <en0x> what is daz
Dec 29 02:11:10 <rwhitby-away> oil: so if we need to do a quick preware and ipkgservice update for any reason, do we push what we have?
Dec 29 02:11:11 <en0x> :)
Dec 29 02:11:24 <oil> rwhitby-away: has anyone reported problems?
Dec 29 02:11:35 <rwhitby-away> oil: yep, they're coming in
Dec 29 02:11:39 <oil> i mean
Dec 29 02:11:46 <oil> with .13 before 135
Dec 29 02:12:29 <rwhitby-away> oil: nope, no problems reported
Dec 29 02:12:34 <CorpX> wow weird
Dec 29 02:12:44 <CorpX> im rebooting the phone after installing update and i get my text alert tone
Dec 29 02:12:47 <zsoc> rwhitby-away: /var/etc/ipkg seems to exist, but the GetConfigs error seems to be caused by it not existing, no?
Dec 29 02:13:04 <en0x> rwhitby-away, want me to un something?
Dec 29 02:13:30 <rwhitby-away> en0x: what's in /var/etc/ipkg and /media/cryptofs/apps/etc/ipkg ?
Dec 29 02:13:36 <en0x> hmm
Dec 29 02:13:38 <en0x> /var/etc/ipkg# ls | wc -l
Dec 29 02:13:38 <en0x> 10
Dec 29 02:13:42 <en0x> ok wait
Dec 29 02:14:08 <CorpX> weird as hell
Dec 29 02:14:08 <NiteTrek> Ok...phone rebooted...still getting the same OnFeeds Error when I launcyh Preware
Dec 29 02:14:33 <zsoc> I'm not a ipkgservice expert, but does GetConfigs do much else besides just make sure /var/etc/ipkg exists?
Dec 29 02:14:39 <CorpX> who has the update
Dec 29 02:14:43 <CorpX> when u go to the phone lock screen
Dec 29 02:14:46 <oil> getConfigs gets a list of configs
Dec 29 02:14:47 <en0x> rwhitby-away, http://pastebin.com/m48c43a17
Dec 29 02:14:49 <CorpX> is the "emergency call" button moved?
Dec 29 02:14:51 <en0x> there is nothing in crypto
Dec 29 02:14:52 <CorpX> or is it just me
Dec 29 02:15:04 <Abyssul_wIRC> groundwork for gpu? heck ya :)
Dec 29 02:15:31 <NiteTrek> Yes CorpX...it's removed...there is a note at the bottom of the screen that says press for emergency call...but the big button is missing
Dec 29 02:15:45 <CorpX> ok
Dec 29 02:15:47 <CorpX> just making sure
Dec 29 02:15:51 <jacques> just did EPR
Dec 29 02:16:03 <NiteTrek> Ok...I have terminal open....does someone want me to enter some commands....regarding the Preware issue?
Dec 29 02:16:16 <CorpX> my app "updates" still wont work
Dec 29 02:16:22 <rwhitby-away> en0x: try "mkdir -p /media/cryptofs/apps/etc/ipkg ; mv /var/etc/ipkg/* /media/cryptofs/apps/etc/ipkg/"
Dec 29 02:16:24 <CorpX> wont find updates even though app catalog says there r updates
Dec 29 02:16:24 <jacques> looks like I'm not going to get a choice about upgrading
Dec 29 02:16:48 <Abyssul_wIRC> why jacques?
Dec 29 02:17:00 <zsoc> rwhitby-away: that fixes it :>
Dec 29 02:17:05 <zsoc> er
Dec 29 02:17:08 <zsoc> well not really
Dec 29 02:17:16 <CorpX> yea i get the length unof undefied error too
Dec 29 02:17:47 <zsoc> oh there we go
Dec 29 02:18:24 <oxeneers> holy crapzola the download for 1.3.5 is taking ages
Dec 29 02:18:24 <zsoc> rwhitby-away: yes, I can confirm creating the folder in cryptofs and mving the existing feeds there fixes the GetConfigs issue with xx13 and xx26
Dec 29 02:18:40 <gkatsev> how can i get a list of currently installed patches?
Dec 29 02:18:45 <en0x> rwhitby-away, its working fine now
Dec 29 02:19:14 <en0x> rwhitby-away, but it doesnt show installed apps
Dec 29 02:19:25 <Abyssul_wIRC> 1.3.5 takes the app catalog out of beta
Dec 29 02:19:37 <zsoc> rwhitby-away: on a slightly more unfortunate note, I can also confirm that preware doesn't recognize my patches or update them for 135
Dec 29 02:19:48 <ird> Can I just have.. src/gz webos-internals-patches-testing http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-patches/testing
Dec 29 02:19:54 <ird> Or do I need to put a version number also?
Dec 29 02:20:02 <rwhitby-away> CorpX: ok, you get to try the other fix - use WOSQI to remove then reinstall ipkgservice
Dec 29 02:20:07 <jacques> Abyssul_wIRC: my pre downloaded update in the background and now says it will update on next charge
Dec 29 02:20:08 <gkatsev> is there an easy way? like via the console to get list of currently installed patches?
Dec 29 02:20:08 <rwhitby-away> ird: you need a version number
Dec 29 02:20:31 <ird> And then I have to manually change it when I update... I see. okay
Dec 29 02:20:55 <en0x> well so preware works now but no installed apps shown :(
Dec 29 02:21:17 <rwhitby-away> en0x: did you update feeds?
Dec 29 02:21:40 <en0x> rwhitby-away, yes
Dec 29 02:22:02 <en0x> i got patches for 1.3.5 feed updated by preware
Dec 29 02:22:07 <en0x> and everything else is fine
Dec 29 02:22:13 <en0x> except the installed applications :)
Dec 29 02:22:49 <NiteTrek> I'm still getting the OnFeeds Error
Dec 29 02:22:49 <NiteTrek> TypeError: Cannot read property 'length' of undefined.
Dec 29 02:22:49 <NiteTrek> When I launch Preware.
Dec 29 02:22:57 <corq-FL> my preware errors on pulling the feeds
Dec 29 02:23:02 <CorpX> i dont have command line enabled
Dec 29 02:23:08 <corq-FL> what NiteTrek said. I have that as well.
Dec 29 02:23:21 <zsoc> Hm.. "fixing 156 unknown packages"
Dec 29 02:23:46 <Smubeht>  damn
Dec 29 02:23:54 <Smubeht> got the www.palm.com/rom error
Dec 29 02:24:06 <Smubeht> if i webos doctor i lose everything on my phone right?
Dec 29 02:24:22 <Abyssul_wIRC> only texts and call log
Dec 29 02:24:34 <Smubeht> media and stuff stays on?
Dec 29 02:24:35 <Smubeht> and apps?
Dec 29 02:24:39 <Smubeht> even homebrew?
Dec 29 02:24:39 <danstah> has anyone tried to unistall preware and reinstall it since the update?
Dec 29 02:24:44 <GreedyB> webos doctor still shows 1.3.1
Dec 29 02:24:46 <Abyssul_wIRC> I wish it could leave my texts alone :)
Dec 29 02:24:48 <rwhitby-away> ok, anyone who is having problems with preware and has access to wosqi?
Dec 29 02:24:57 <Smubeht> is there a way to back up my texts
Dec 29 02:25:01 <Smubeht> after im in this state?
Dec 29 02:25:02 <Abyssul_wIRC> Smubeht: yep
Dec 29 02:25:12 <zsoc> rwhitby-away: sure
Dec 29 02:25:25 <GreedyB> I just redid my phone last night so I could technically do webos doctor but its still showing 1.3.1.. anyone seeing 1.3.5 for webos doctor?
Dec 29 02:25:32 <rwhitby-away> if you do, then use wosqi to remove then reinstall the Package Manager Service
Dec 29 02:25:37 <Abyssul_wIRC> we've experimented with backing them up but its very glitchy.
Dec 29 02:25:44 <NiteTrek> what is wosqi? Sorry...
Dec 29 02:25:53 <NiteTrek> WebOS Quick Install?
Dec 29 02:25:53 <Abyssul_wIRC> GreedyB: no 1.3.5 doctor yet
Dec 29 02:26:02 <danstah> NiteTrek: yup
Dec 29 02:26:05 <Abyssul_wIRC> NiteTrek: yea
Dec 29 02:26:12 <Smubeht> [21:25] <Abyssul_wIRC> we've experimented with backing them up but its very glitchy.
Dec 29 02:26:17 <Smubeht> is that about the backing up texts?
Dec 29 02:26:21 <NiteTrek> I do....an older version...I have to boot to Windows...currently using Ubuntu
Dec 29 02:26:32 <NiteTrek> I'll be back after rebooting
Dec 29 02:26:42 <Abyssul_wIRC> Smubeht:yea
Dec 29 02:27:16 <Smubeht> im willing to give it a try if ull help me out
Dec 29 02:27:21 <rwhitby-away> you need to use wosqi 2.96
Dec 29 02:28:12 <v3ritas> anyone get "TypeError: Cannot read property 'length' of undefined" for PreWare?  will a reinstall fix it?
Dec 29 02:28:14 <Abyssul_wIRC> I would search the precentral forums for it. it involves saving a copy of the palmdatabase.db3 and restoring it after you doctor it.
Dec 29 02:28:30 * en0x is installing patches :D
Dec 29 02:28:40 <Abyssul_wIRC> via winscp or putty or wosqi
Dec 29 02:28:41 <Smubeht> i wish theyd backup texts as part of the whole palm profile
Dec 29 02:28:43 <Smubeht> that would be sweet
Dec 29 02:28:44 <rwhitby-away> oil: I'm going to push .13 and .26
Dec 29 02:28:57 <zsoc> Smubeht: that would be a huge privacy issue
Dec 29 02:29:07 <Abyssul_wIRC> Smubeht: I know. either that or leave them alone
Dec 29 02:29:10 <zsoc> Smubeht: plus then governments could supoena Palm for texts
Dec 29 02:29:15 <en0x> dBsooner, sms tone per contact is borked :O for 1.3.5
Dec 29 02:29:23 <Abyssul_wIRC> privacy? they back up our contacts and bookmarks
Dec 29 02:29:39 <egaudet> rwhitby-away, you are pushing update all?
Dec 29 02:29:48 <Abyssul_wIRC> and sprint sells gps data and is willing to sell our text messages
Dec 29 02:29:50 <rwhitby-away> egaudet: yes
Dec 29 02:29:57 <egaudet> even with the dependencies bug?
Dec 29 02:30:08 <corq-FL> ok maybe I'm flaking out but the touchstone clock font looks different.
Dec 29 02:30:14 <Abyssul_wIRC> it is
Dec 29 02:30:21 <Abyssul_wIRC> in the changelog
Dec 29 02:30:23 <zsoc> corq-FL: read the changelog :)
Dec 29 02:30:30 <drfunk> sup Abyssul_wIRC
Dec 29 02:30:31 <oldsage> fyi, with 1.3.5 preware gives an error
Dec 29 02:30:44 <zsoc> oldsage: please paste the error
Dec 29 02:30:44 <Abyssul_wIRC> what's up drfunk ?
Dec 29 02:31:05 <corq-FL> got it ;-) just wee observations. Trying to get preware re-installed atm ;-)
Dec 29 02:31:07 <drfunk> this channel should be plus m right now
Dec 29 02:31:22 <oldsage> OnFeeds Error TypeError: Cannot read property 'length' of undefined
Dec 29 02:31:38 <zsoc> oldsage: do you have wosqi?
Dec 29 02:31:39 <rwhitby-away> egaudet: good point
Dec 29 02:31:40 <schaubam> OnFeeds Error   TypeError: Cannot read property 'length' of undefined
Dec 29 02:31:56 <drfunk> I wish I was home
Dec 29 02:31:56 <v3ritas> @oldsage: same here.  going to try reinstalling when I get home to QuickInstall
Dec 29 02:32:20 <drfunk> everyone needs to relax
Dec 29 02:32:42 <drfunk> rwhitby-away: sup bud
Dec 29 02:32:46 <jacques> around the time my pre started downloading the update in the background, it stopped charging
Dec 29 02:32:51 <oil> dependencies bug?
Dec 29 02:32:58 <drfunk> or should I say mate heh
Dec 29 02:33:07 <rwhitby-away> oil: not bug, missing feature.
Dec 29 02:33:22 <oil> dont tell me its the remove all install all thing?
Dec 29 02:33:30 <egaudet> no
Dec 29 02:33:33 <rwhitby-away> oil: the needing to remove deps in reverse order, then install
Dec 29 02:33:33 <egaudet> it's in trac ;)
Dec 29 02:33:51 <oil> it already orders them
Dec 29 02:33:54 <drfunk> egaudet: sup
Dec 29 02:34:04 <NiteTrek> Ok...back...I have webos QI
Dec 29 02:34:05 <egaudet> oil, it has to remove in reverse order and install in dependent order
Dec 29 02:34:10 <drfunk> oil: no it doesnt
Dec 29 02:34:11 <egaudet> it can't remove/install in the same order
Dec 29 02:34:31 <egaudet> sup drfunk
Dec 29 02:34:56 <zsoc> rwhitby-away: What is the idea with reinstalled with wosqi? Just want to rerun the postinst?
Dec 29 02:34:58 <drfunk> +m lol
Dec 29 02:35:03 <rwhitby-away> zsoc: yep
Dec 29 02:35:09 * oil shakes angry fist at patches
Dec 29 02:35:11 <zsoc> rwhitby-away: why didn't you just say that? :P
Dec 29 02:35:12 <rwhitby-away> zsoc: and get configs in the right place
Dec 29 02:35:15 <Abyssul_wIRC> rofl
Dec 29 02:35:26 <Shiggity> Woah, looks like Preware died on me
Dec 29 02:35:33 <egaudet> lol oil, well it's not just patches
Dec 29 02:35:36 <zsoc> rwhitby-away: Also, it's interesting to note, I had the GetConfig issue but not the "length undefined issue", and it seems en0x the same
Dec 29 02:35:45 <oil> Shiggity? really? you're the firs to notice!
Dec 29 02:35:51 <egaudet> it's for all packages with dependencies
Dec 29 02:35:51 <drfunk> Shiggity: read up
Dec 29 02:35:57 <en0x> zsoc, u gotta move the configs...
Dec 29 02:35:58 <oil> is it?
Dec 29 02:35:59 <NiteTrek> So....did I miss anything? Does anyone want me to do anything with WebOS QI?
Dec 29 02:36:07 <zsoc> en0x: fixed that :P just saying
Dec 29 02:36:08 <oil> the only packages that are removed then installed are patches...
Dec 29 02:36:14 <en0x> rwhitby-away, anyway preware don;t see installed homebrew packages
Dec 29 02:36:16 <zsoc> en0x: me and you got one error, but not the other one other people are getting
Dec 29 02:36:21 <en0x> zsoc, does ur preware see installed apps?
Dec 29 02:36:22 * Robi_ waits
Dec 29 02:36:27 <zsoc> en0x: nope, same boat
Dec 29 02:36:28 <egaudet> oil, aren't all advanced homebrew done that way for update?
Dec 29 02:36:29 <Shiggity> Where's this chat room logged to? I would love to "read up" drfunk
Dec 29 02:36:40 <oil> egaudet: no
Dec 29 02:36:45 <egaudet> anything with a postinst/prerm should be no?
Dec 29 02:36:50 <zsoc> Shiggity: list your error please
Dec 29 02:36:56 <drfunk> holy shit
Dec 29 02:36:59 <oil> maybe should, but its not as of right now
Dec 29 02:37:14 <rwhitby-away> ok, so my preware works after the upgrade ...
Dec 29 02:37:21 <oil> haha
Dec 29 02:37:22 <Shiggity> zsoc: TypeError: cannot read property 'length' of undefined
Dec 29 02:37:23 <egaudet> OK well I think all postinst/prerm packages should, but yea so then it's just patches right now
Dec 29 02:37:33 <muesli> so, how's 1.3.5 feeling so far? :) wish i could try it myself...
Dec 29 02:37:36 <oil> after the upgrade my java is constantly restarting :)
Dec 29 02:37:43 <egaudet> nice
Dec 29 02:38:08 <danstah> someone on precentral is saying their preware is working after a reinstall via WOQI
Dec 29 02:38:11 <drfunk> fucking sprint
Dec 29 02:38:22 <rwhitby-away> danstah: yeah, a reinstall should fix it
Dec 29 02:38:25 <Smubeht> i have my pre plugged in via usb but i cant seem to see it as a drive in my computer
Dec 29 02:38:42 <drfunk> danstah: did you try it
Dec 29 02:38:50 <backfire103> my preware works after a reboot
Dec 29 02:38:51 <zsoc> rwhitby-away: unless they already moved their /var/etc/ipkg ;)
Dec 29 02:38:58 <rwhitby-away> zsoc: even then
Dec 29 02:39:00 <drfunk> Smubeht: did you remove all patches ?
Dec 29 02:39:17 <Smubeht> i ran epr
Dec 29 02:39:33 <drfunk> Smubeht: than what ?
Dec 29 02:39:36 <Smubeht> drfunk: i am currently getting www.palm.com/rom issue
Dec 29 02:39:45 <Smubeht> i need to doctor it, but i want to back up texts
Dec 29 02:39:50 <Bentfork> I removed all patches, installed upgrade and got no Preware love.  Rebooting now and will try reinstalling Preware via WOSQI.
Dec 29 02:39:56 <Smubeht> but from what i am seeing i need to copy stuff from usb
Dec 29 02:39:57 <danstah> drfunk: still waiting for it to d/l.. first time it wouldn't verify the d/l
Dec 29 02:40:00 <zsoc> rwhitby-away: then shouldn't we just spam "mount -o remount,rw; sh /var/usr/lib/ipkg/info/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice.postinst; mount -o remount,ro /" ? Or is that a bad idea for some reason?
Dec 29 02:40:05 <Smubeht> but i cant seem to get usb to show
Dec 29 02:40:09 <Smubeht> on my comp
Dec 29 02:40:15 <drfunk> holy crap
Dec 29 02:40:23 <drfunk> I need to get home
Dec 29 02:40:24 <egaudet> rwhitby-away, was there any further discussion with regards to the doctoring issue we had discussed last week
Dec 29 02:40:53 <drfunk> btw rwhitby-away I sent
Dec 29 02:41:49 <ErApAcK> hey guys i am still having the prolem of "TypeError: Cannot read property 'length' of undefined" Please help? Thank you
Dec 29 02:41:51 <en0x> zsoc, camsrc-omap34xx.ipk
Dec 29 02:41:54 <en0x> was updated
Dec 29 02:41:54 <en0x> :P
Dec 29 02:42:12 <drfunk> egaudet: can you change topic ?
Dec 29 02:42:14 <Abyssul_wIRC> haha
Dec 29 02:42:25 <en0x> zsoc, and camd
Dec 29 02:42:31 <zsoc> en0x: do you have a list somewhere? i'm more curious about the audio encoder and anything with "egl" in the name
Dec 29 02:42:36 <egaudet> probably but I don't
Dec 29 02:42:40 <zsoc> en0x: camd is always updated, it's binary anyway, best i can do is strings :P
Dec 29 02:42:43 <Shiggity> zsoc: From your "shouldn't we spam" comment, is it a write permission issue?
Dec 29 02:42:56 <zsoc> Shiggity: ... no no
Dec 29 02:42:58 <Loogie> coming up on this channel per RWhiby's request: Getting OnFeeds Error: "TypeError: Cannot read property 'length' of undefined"
Dec 29 02:43:07 <acydlord_pre> the issue with preware tracked down yet?
Dec 29 02:43:17 <zsoc> Loogie: it seems uninstalling/reinstalling with wosqi does the trick
Dec 29 02:43:35 <Loogie> I'll give it a shot
Dec 29 02:43:37 <drfunk> people need to relac
Dec 29 02:43:50 <drfunk> ack relax *
Dec 29 02:44:02 <Abyssul_wIRC> great...
Dec 29 02:44:05 <Shiggity> drfunk: I'm perfectly relaxed. I'm extremely curious though :)
Dec 29 02:44:07 <acydlord_pre> people need to relatively ack?
Dec 29 02:44:09 <jacques> damn
Dec 29 02:44:24 <drfunk> nice
Dec 29 02:44:31 <acydlord_pre> oh hai netsplit, long time no see
Dec 29 02:44:39 <Abyssul_wIRC> rofl
Dec 29 02:44:44 <drfunk> I'm out going home to try and help bbs
Dec 29 02:44:45 <sryan> can devs start writing webgl stuff since the opengl ipks are there?
Dec 29 02:44:46 <TJ__> de we need to reinstall the Package Manager Service with wosqi? or just preware?
Dec 29 02:44:50 <SirWill> Ahhh the life of bleeding edge.   :)   Update installing now.  Guess I'll find out what the preware issue is soon.  Guess I need to make sure I have WOSQI and the latest preware available to install.
Dec 29 02:44:53 <entity-> did 1.3.5 hit?
Dec 29 02:45:02 <zsoc> egaudet: how is aupt _supposed_ to act? My patches are all still in /var/usr/lib/ipkg/info but getting no preware love moving them to 135
Dec 29 02:45:13 <zsoc> SirWill: or command line access, either works
Dec 29 02:45:15 <Abyssul_wIRC> entity-:  yea
Dec 29 02:45:21 <egaudet> zsoc, well you have to update your test patches feed to use 1.3.5
Dec 29 02:45:26 <entity-> not on bell yet
Dec 29 02:45:31 <egaudet> and then go to preware and update feeds and you should see all your patches as needing an update
Dec 29 02:45:31 <drfunk> entity-: yea
Dec 29 02:46:01 <egaudet> and then update all -should- take care of them all.  You may get errors if there are newly incompatible patches, but aside from that should be clean
Dec 29 02:46:13 <egaudet> that is how it is "supposed" to work
Dec 29 02:46:27 <zsoc> egaudet: Yep, not getting that functionality. The "needing an update" part. Not sure if this is a good time to troubleshoot though, considering everything
Dec 29 02:46:33 <zsoc> but thought you might be interested
Dec 29 02:46:44 <Abyssul_wIRC> so the update all feature is released?
Dec 29 02:46:47 <egaudet> now is good time as any
Dec 29 02:47:00 <SirWill> I used the auto patch removal tool first.   so I'll be installing 1 by 1.  Did know that the update patches would work cross os version
Dec 29 02:47:02 <egaudet> zsoc, are the patches listed as installed?
Dec 29 02:47:17 <egaudet> SirWill, it doesn't yet
Dec 29 02:47:24 <zsoc> egaudet: No, nothing is listed as installed, even my homebrew apps
Dec 29 02:47:26 <egaudet> it's aupt functionality that is in testing
Dec 29 02:47:31 <backfire103> well, i just updated my preware after it working well, an now im gettin gthe same error as everyone else
Dec 29 02:47:32 <egaudet> zsoc, well that's the issue
Dec 29 02:47:34 <Smubeht> can i use webos quick install to grab the PalmDatabase.db3?
Dec 29 02:47:52 <Abyssul_wIRC> Smubeht: yes
Dec 29 02:48:06 <oldsage> I wonder if when they opened up the app limit maybe they moved some directories around?
Dec 29 02:48:06 <Smubeht> only if i root? and copy over to media?
Dec 29 02:48:07 <zsoc> egaudet: en0x is having the same issue. it might be a preware xx13 and/or ipkg xx26 issue. Any idea where to start?
Dec 29 02:48:19 <Smubeht> or can i copy from /var/path/
Dec 29 02:48:21 <egaudet> i think its 1.3.5 issue
Dec 29 02:48:36 <egaudet> the OTA didn't move any apps from /var
Dec 29 02:48:54 <Abyssul_wIRC> Smubeht: Just make a copy anywhere. preferably on your desktop or something
Dec 29 02:49:06 <Smubeht> yeah im just asking if it will copy
Dec 29 02:49:08 <zsoc> egaudet: but my patches in are the same place. are you familiar with ipkgservice? which function 'checks' for installed packages
Dec 29 02:49:09 <Smubeht> i am trying it now
Dec 29 02:49:13 <Smubeht> but it seems to be taking a long time
Dec 29 02:49:17 <Smubeht> not sure how long it should take
Dec 29 02:49:24 <danstah> Abyssul_wIRC: does the db3 file contain the info on how contacts are linked.
Dec 29 02:49:31 <en0x> shit
Dec 29 02:49:34 <egaudet> zsoc, I'm guessing that it's checking in /media/cryptofs but all the homebrew is left in /var
Dec 29 02:49:36 <en0x> my paratroopers lost its icon
Dec 29 02:49:38 <en0x> :(
Dec 29 02:49:42 <zsoc> egaudet: i just figured that out
Dec 29 02:49:43 <SirWill> btw, I'm updating from 1.3.5 early access doctored version to OTA version.
Dec 29 02:49:48 <zsoc> egaudet: think symlink is good enough or should I move it?
Dec 29 02:49:59 <Abyssul_wIRC> danstah: I'm not sure, but I thought a past update fixed that?
Dec 29 02:49:59 <Smubeht> just been saying Please wait... for some time now so i  was just wondering ifit should take that long or if it should be  quick
Dec 29 02:50:11 <egaudet> something I was afraid of happening
Dec 29 02:50:18 <Abyssul_wIRC> Smubeht:  I'm not sure. I back it up with winscp.
Dec 29 02:51:00 <acydlord_pre> wb splitters
Dec 29 02:51:11 <SirWill> Yeah, welcome back
Dec 29 02:51:31 <zsoc> egaudet rwhitby-away : does /media/cryptofs/apps//var/usr/lib/ipkg/info/ look like the correct location?
Dec 29 02:51:33 <egaudet> rwhitby-away, any quick fix ideas?
Dec 29 02:51:34 <rwhitby-away> can anyone confirm that a package manager service remove then reinstall with wosqi fixes preware?
Dec 29 02:51:36 <Bentfork> Uninstalled via wosqi then reinstalled preware.  No go for me.
Dec 29 02:51:53 <egaudet> zsoc, no
Dec 29 02:51:58 <bryanroth1> broke for me
Dec 29 02:51:58 <rwhitby-away> Bentfork: uninstalled and reinstalled package manager service?
Dec 29 02:52:01 <bryanroth1> (old news)
Dec 29 02:52:12 <egaudet> replace var with media/cryptofs  so /media/cryptofs/usr/lib/ipkg/info I think?
Dec 29 02:52:19 <sampson> uhhhh when you install 1.3.5 does it reboot 3 times before finishing?
Dec 29 02:52:25 <rwhitby-away> egaudet: /media/cryptofs/apps
Dec 29 02:52:30 <sampson> mine keeps saying installing update and then it reboots to the palm screen and then it goes back to installing the update
Dec 29 02:52:35 <Bentfork> I will check package manager service reinstall.
Dec 29 02:52:37 <WillJitsu> getting "TypeError: Cannot read property 'length' of undefined" when launching preware
Dec 29 02:52:38 <crash_pr> mine it's in somekind of loop installing the update
Dec 29 02:52:40 <egaudet> sorry, yea what rwhitby-away said.
Dec 29 02:52:46 <rwhitby-away> can anyone confirm that a package manager service remove then reinstall with wosqi fixes preware?
Dec 29 02:52:53 <yetdog_> mine is stalled at "updating the system - do not remove battery"
Dec 29 02:52:55 <yetdog_> about 90%
Dec 29 02:52:55 <rwhitby-away> can anyone confirm that a package manager service remove then reinstall with wosqi 2.96 fixes preware?
Dec 29 02:52:57 <en0x> hmm
Dec 29 02:52:58 <yetdog_> no spinning progress
Dec 29 02:53:06 <rwhitby-away> can anyone confirm that a package manager service remove then reinstall with wosqi 2.96 fixes preware?
Dec 29 02:53:10 <crash_pr> mine too
Dec 29 02:53:19 <thebitguru> Hi, is there a quick way to remove all patches before upgrading to 1.3.5 or do I have to uninstall each individually?
Dec 29 02:53:20 <rwhitby-away> can anyone confirm that a package manager service remove then reinstall with wosqi 2.96 fixes preware?
Dec 29 02:53:21 <crash_pr> mine finished once
Dec 29 02:53:24 <sampson> mine is spinning it's on its third "installing update"
Dec 29 02:53:26 <SirWill> rwhitby-away   Still installing update.
Dec 29 02:53:34 <sampson> thebitguru: Emergency Patch Recovery patch
Dec 29 02:53:38 <yetdog_> crash_pr: yours is stalled @ updating the system?
Dec 29 02:53:59 <crash_pr> rebooted and got the same thing allover again
Dec 29 02:54:00 <yetdog_> mines been here for 20-25 minutes already
Dec 29 02:54:00 <SirWill> Also going from 1.3.5 RC to the OTA release, not sure if I will see the issue or not.
Dec 29 02:54:02 <zsoc> rwhitby-away: I can confirm it does not fix "installed packages" not showing up. Preware is looking in /media/cryptofs/ but everything is still located in /var
Dec 29 02:54:13 <Robi_>  Emergency Patch Recovery should be renamed to EPR ( Emergency Patch Recovery ) so it's easier to find searching for it
Dec 29 02:54:26 <danstah> Robi_: its still pretty easy
Dec 29 02:54:27 <crash_pr> yetdog_ yes
Dec 29 02:54:32 <AnOutsider|AFK> typing "emer" usually brings it up for me
Dec 29 02:54:33 <danstah> Robi_: type emer
Dec 29 02:54:34 <yetdog_> damn
Dec 29 02:54:34 <diov6> or emp
Dec 29 02:54:41 <thebitguru> sampson: that only removes the patches?
Dec 29 02:55:03 <yetdog_> this is frustrating....
Dec 29 02:55:11 <WillJitsu> rwhitby-away: I can test it. How do I remove package manager service from the Pre if I can't launch Preware though?
Dec 29 02:55:15 <egaudet> zsoc, did you happen to have any app catalog apps installed before OTA?
Dec 29 02:55:17 <egaudet> did anyone?
Dec 29 02:55:20 <rwhitby-away> can anyone confirm that a package manager service remove then reinstall with wosqi 2.96 fixes preware?
Dec 29 02:55:22 <zsoc> WillJitsu: you don't have to remove it
Dec 29 02:55:31 <zsoc> egaudet: I have app catalog stuff, doesn't show up
Dec 29 02:55:33 <rwhitby-away> you *do* have to remove it
Dec 29 02:55:38 * zsoc shuts up
Dec 29 02:55:48 <sampson> WillJitsu: using ipkg or webos tool
Dec 29 02:56:01 <AnOutsider|AFK> [21:54] <+zsoc> rwhitby-away: I can confirm it does not fix "installed packages" not showing up. Preware is looking in /media/cryptofs/ but everything is still located in /var
Dec 29 02:56:01 <bioart> uninstalling preware by itself didnt do it, worked great after uninstalling package manager service... thanks guys!
Dec 29 02:56:05 <rwhitby-away> can anyone confirm that a package manager service remove with wosqu 2.86 then a package manager reinstall with wosqi 2.96 fixes preware?
Dec 29 02:56:08 <NiteTrek> Ok...looks like Preware is up and running for me. Uninstalled Preware & Package manager via WebOSQI....then re-installed.
Dec 29 02:56:26 <rwhitby-away> ok, that's two.  thanks guys.
Dec 29 02:56:28 <egaudet> zsoc, so your app cat apps are still in /var/usr/lib/ipkg/info/ ?
Dec 29 02:56:31 <NiteTrek> Preware now loads correctly
Dec 29 02:56:41 <en0x> what was chuqi twitter?
Dec 29 02:56:42 <NiteTrek> haven't tried adding patches yet but all looks good so far
Dec 29 02:56:52 <diov6> i uninstalled via woosqi and used get.preware.com and got the .jar from there
Dec 29 02:56:53 <yetdog_> @webosdev ?
Dec 29 02:56:54 <zsoc> egaudet: correct, interestingly
Dec 29 02:57:01 <SirWill> man, just noticed on boot I have 3 pixels out on my lcd :(
Dec 29 02:57:05 <acydlord_pre> be back in awhile, gotta charge the phones
Dec 29 02:57:09 <egaudet> zsoc, does app catalog see them as installed?
Dec 29 02:57:19 <bryanroth1> SirWill: that was included in the update
Dec 29 02:57:33 <Bentfork> Uninstalled Preware and Package Manager Service via wosqi, then reinstalled.  Preware is working now.
Dec 29 02:57:44 <en0x> http://img129.yfrog.com/i/naf.png/
Dec 29 02:57:45 <en0x> ;(
Dec 29 02:57:47 <Bentfork> Holy 1255 available packages batman....
Dec 29 02:57:52 <en0x> i;m dissapointed now
Dec 29 02:57:53 <en0x> :(
Dec 29 02:57:56 <rwhitby-away> NiteTrek, Bentfork thanks
Dec 29 02:57:58 <egaudet> rwhitby-away, should a quick fix ipkg service move/copy all of /var's ipkg stuff?
Dec 29 02:58:03 <zsoc> egaudet: it does. I feel this is my fault, I'm going to shut up and try uninstalling/reinstalling again
Dec 29 02:58:17 <NiteTrek> Anytime...thank you for the suggestion!
Dec 29 02:58:25 <bryanroth1> en0x: wth
Dec 29 02:58:27 <egaudet> or is it going to be required to reinstall everything after a 1.3.1 to 1.3.5 jump
Dec 29 02:58:47 <egaudet> zsoc, it's not your fault
Dec 29 02:58:57 <egaudet> it was an assumption that all of var stuff would be moved
Dec 29 02:59:30 <egaudet> I think
Dec 29 02:59:32 <taglioni> have had my pre for a month now and gonna update to the latest web os and then gonna install pre ware ...what have i been missing out on by not installing pre ware lol
Dec 29 02:59:34 <thebitguru> has anyone tried mytether with 1.3.5?
Dec 29 02:59:37 <zsoc> egaudet: no, i mean the steps i took to uninstall/reinstall may have been incorrect
Dec 29 02:59:43 <en0x> i want my paratroopers back :(
Dec 29 02:59:43 <SirWill> bryanrothl   regarding 3 pixels.  I think your right LOL
Dec 29 02:59:54 <Bentfork> **************** uninstall package manager service and reinstall - this fixes preware.
Dec 29 02:59:55 <egaudet> zsoc, uninstall/reinstall what?
Dec 29 02:59:56 <diov6> taglioni: awesome stuff
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