**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jan 01 02:59:56 2010 Jan 01 03:00:15 rwhitby knows more than he is letting on! Jan 01 03:00:15 rwhitby: i must of missed it thanks Jan 01 03:00:47 Abyssul__: I truly don't, but I hope that one day marketing and engineering departments will be that enlightened ... Jan 01 03:01:10 rwhitby: that an "aye aye"? Jan 01 03:01:42 rwhitby: why not have a service for the app to run a script? Jan 01 03:02:13 Jack87-WebIRC: https://twitter.com/webosinternals/status/7252224786 Jan 01 03:02:30 dbsooner always wanting his tweets retweeted Jan 01 03:02:43 oil: never wanting to join in on the tweeting Jan 01 03:02:44 rwhitby: I was on the Pixi --- that didn't help because there's no /dev/fb1 Jan 01 03:03:01 * oil would never retweet dbsooners tweets Jan 01 03:03:37 rwhitby: very cool Jan 01 03:20:13 rwhitby: so the workaround works.. but what am i losing with fb0 vs fb1 Jan 01 03:21:42 Jack87-WebIRC: no ideae Jan 01 03:21:56 one guy said his was slower than the video, but anything could cause that. Jan 01 03:23:53 it seems really glitchy when tapping screen it jumps to spash page of doom Jan 01 03:24:42 * rwhitby bbl (lunh) Jan 01 03:24:44 lunch Jan 01 03:25:02 made sctip with vi :) Jan 01 03:25:19 some of the overlay drivers require you echo something to sysfs to start them Jan 01 03:25:47 if you mknod does cat /dev/fb1 return -ENODEV? Jan 01 03:27:19 yes Jan 01 03:27:23 hmm Jan 01 03:27:31 anything at the end of dmesg? Jan 01 03:28:03 ls /sys/class/video Jan 01 03:28:12 paste it here if short Jan 01 03:28:53 aparently the directory doesnt exist Jan 01 03:29:18 ya no video dir Jan 01 03:29:42 video4linux? Jan 01 03:30:15 inside for video4linux there is video0 video1 video2 Jan 01 03:31:07 there is a graphics dirctory as well in there is fb0 Jan 01 03:31:10 thats it Jan 01 03:31:49 maybe you ment the graphics dir? Jan 01 03:32:09 sorry, graphics Jan 01 03:32:11 yes Jan 01 03:32:25 ya... so its fb0 in there Jan 01 03:32:25 ls /sys/class/graphics/fb0 Jan 01 03:32:33 no fbcon? Jan 01 03:32:44 i didnt go into fb0 yet Jan 01 03:33:31 no fbcon inside fb0 Jan 01 03:33:45 not in there Jan 01 03:33:48 outside of it Jan 01 03:33:52 just ls fb0 Jan 01 03:35:08 just fb0 Jan 01 03:35:25 inside there what do you see? Jan 01 03:35:32 on the pixi, /sys/class/graphics/fb0/device is symlinked to /sys/devices/platform/mddi_panel.0 Jan 01 03:35:34 ls /sys/class/graphics fb0 Jan 01 03:35:42 hmm, ok Jan 01 03:35:47 but omap2fb Jan 01 03:35:48 pre Jan 01 03:36:07 ls /sys/class/graphics/fb0/ Jan 01 03:36:31 tmzt: http://pastebin.com/m2b32dd08 Jan 01 03:36:47 how much is in there? Jan 01 03:37:13 16 stuff Jan 01 03:37:21 hold on Jan 01 03:39:00 the error reads Error: Could not initialize SDL: Unable to open /dev/fb1 (perhaps i dont have fb1?) Jan 01 03:39:21 should have fb1 on the pre Jan 01 03:39:57 inside /sys/class/graphics/ only contains fb0 Jan 01 03:40:10 check in .sys/class/graphics/fb0 and then cd graphics Jan 01 03:40:42 that was a whole fail Jan 01 03:40:53 in /sys/class/graphics/fbo Jan 01 03:40:56 cd to device Jan 01 03:41:02 see what it dumps you into Jan 01 03:42:04 think i'm gonna have to doctor my pre, it keeps rebooting on me Jan 01 03:42:11 i see dev..... is that device? Jan 01 03:42:12 yo Jan 01 03:42:25 there should also be device listed as well as dev Jan 01 03:42:55 negative... :( pastebin has my fb0 ls Jan 01 03:43:03 few messages up Jan 01 03:43:31 hmm, odd Jan 01 03:43:42 is there away i can save my txt msg's ? Jan 01 03:43:48 i may have to doctor up my unit Jan 01 03:44:05 anyway its unplayble on my phone oh well Jan 01 03:44:15 im going to shower maybe go drink that might fix everything Jan 01 03:44:19 happy new year folk Jan 01 03:44:32 see you all next year :) Jan 01 03:44:42 :P Jan 01 03:45:40 Jack87-WebIRC, one last thing, can you open the phone app, type ##786# and see what the hardware revision is? Jan 01 03:45:51 acydlord: sure thing Jan 01 03:46:34 A Jan 01 03:46:59 acydlord: Hardware Revision= A Jan 01 03:47:01 i wonder if fb1 just an heroed or something Jan 01 03:47:16 heroed? Jan 01 03:47:29 its a 4chan term for suicide Jan 01 03:50:05 suicide as in? i am so confused Jan 01 03:50:25 * zsoc becomes an hero Jan 01 03:51:03 anyway its been fun... night peeps happy NY Jan 01 03:53:32 happy new york! Jan 01 03:55:45 rwhitby: When do you think the facebook app will be update to compete with android? Jan 01 03:55:48 :D Jan 01 03:56:11 wtf are you losers doing in irc on new years eve? Jan 01 03:56:28 ird: how would I know? Jan 01 03:56:59 rwhitby: I kind of thought that was a strange question. Jan 01 03:57:37 ird: oh, you mean from the palmcast Jan 01 03:57:51 rwhitby: yeah :p Jan 01 03:59:42 ls /sys/bus/platform/omapfb Jan 01 03:59:48 find is better Jan 01 03:59:52 on 1.3.5 Pre Jan 01 04:01:52 cat /proc/cmdline also Jan 01 04:04:08 I just noticed none of my contacts have photos anymore :| Jan 01 04:06:48 how very odd Jan 01 04:07:05 it's 10 PM on new years eve, and this is the very best thing I can think of to do :-) Jan 01 04:09:25 * acydlord throws up nerd life gang signs Jan 01 04:09:41 hah rod. you must get all the chicks with that accent... (listening to the podcast now) :) Jan 01 04:10:13 Tibfib, the chicks in the au are probably used to his accent to be fair Jan 01 04:11:00 True. But when/if he visits the US... Jan 01 05:47:50 * Tibfib slaps Tibfib around a bit with a large trout Jan 01 06:00:28 happy new year CST Jan 01 06:08:34 thanks MiX-ToP Jan 01 06:08:46 np :) Jan 01 06:09:13 what area you from? Jan 01 06:09:15 atx here Jan 01 06:10:09 MiX-ToP, houston texas area Jan 01 06:10:15 ahh rgr Jan 01 06:10:20 right around the corner Jan 01 06:10:35 I like austin Jan 01 06:10:55 * rwhitby has spent time in austin Jan 01 06:11:04 jacques: you up for a code review? Jan 01 06:12:09 rwhitby, sure, np. I hope it's in a language I know :-) Jan 01 06:12:13 jacques: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=services/upstartmgr.git;a=summary Jan 01 06:12:22 rwhitby, yuo coming back to austin anytime soon? Jan 01 06:12:39 jacques: unlikely, unfortunately Jan 01 06:12:46 too bad :-( Jan 01 06:12:57 Time Warner Cable, Fox haven't reached deal; brief extension given 12:05 AM CST on Friday, January 1, 2010 Jan 01 06:13:02 ha.. i knew they couldent do it Jan 01 06:13:07 3 hour extension Jan 01 06:15:45 rwhitby, looking at it now Jan 01 06:17:52 rwhitby, you coming to the US anytime soon? Jan 01 06:18:04 not that I know of Jan 01 06:18:17 upstartmgr 0.0.1 is in the testing feed Jan 01 06:18:26 it does "initctl version" and "initctl list" Jan 01 06:18:47 next is "start" Jan 01 06:20:50 rwhitby, there is a luna_service.h and a lunaservice.h ? seems confusing... or is it a typo? and if not, where does lunaservice.h come from? Jan 01 06:21:07 luna_methods.h:#include Jan 01 06:21:15 jacques: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=libraries/lunaservice.git;a=summary Jan 01 06:21:39 jacques: better names genuinely welcome Jan 01 06:39:50 Did the Precentral app die? Jan 01 06:41:46 Abyssul__: since it was a closed development project, no-one really knew whether it was ever started or what progress it made. Jan 01 06:42:38 I asked Kesne one time and he told me that it was started... but he didn't say whether it is still being worked on... Jan 01 06:43:43 meh - unless there is code or a running executable then it's hearsay Jan 01 06:52:48 wow, did mytether really have so many people's kernels so messed up that they couldn't run SDL framebuffers? Jan 01 06:52:57 (opengl etc0 Jan 01 06:55:47 destinal: dunno Jan 01 06:55:58 it's a smoking gun at the moment Jan 01 07:00:57 happy new year from MST Jan 01 07:01:12 Oh lol Jan 01 07:01:17 Its 2am here :p Jan 01 07:03:41 oh well, time for bed, back in the morning. rwhitby: please advise if you get cool things working, I will work on enhancing things if I can finish getting my VM's and build chains set up.. (I knew I shouldn't have deleted that partition...) :) Jan 01 07:09:13 happy new year Jan 01 07:09:28 I can't seem to install doom in preware Jan 01 07:09:36 EdLin: HNY .. GN :) Jan 01 07:09:40 it doesn't show up, do I need to add a repository? Jan 01 07:10:10 EdLin: it should work. if it doesn't you may have had a botched migration from an earlier version of webos Jan 01 07:10:24 you could always try doctoring to 1.3.5 Jan 01 07:10:27 so how do I unbotch it? Jan 01 07:10:42 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions Jan 01 07:10:50 there is the EMH Jan 01 07:10:56 if you don't want to doctor Jan 01 07:11:42 lol... a port of DOOM.. nice one zsoc :) Jan 01 07:12:16 lingfish: palm gave us a new year's gift of SDL and openGL Jan 01 07:12:19 emh? Jan 01 07:12:22 Be nice if I could GET THE F'ING 1.3.5 UPDATE :( Jan 01 07:12:33 destinal: yeah, knew that. Jan 01 07:12:36 lingfish: you can't? Jan 01 07:12:47 destinal: seems that O2 still haven't approved the bloody thing Jan 01 07:13:00 This carrier approval stuff really shits me. Never had the issue with nokia firmware updates Jan 01 07:13:04 oh, you should get a sprint doctor and hack it to bypass that "not compatible with this device" thing Jan 01 07:13:23 I'm not really sure how yet Jan 01 07:13:28 I could... or they could stop this carrier idioticy. Jan 01 07:13:35 hehe Jan 01 07:13:54 lingfish: carriers will always be idiots, it's a law of nature. Jan 01 07:14:00 EdLin: Emergency Medical Hologram .. err, no, that's not it.. Emergency Migration Helper Jan 01 07:14:03 It was debated on the last precentral cast.. and man I wish I could have chimed in Jan 01 07:14:27 EdLin: yeah... it just makes no sense that they have to approve it. It's stupid. Jan 01 07:14:54 carriers have too much power, but then again, they don't since we can still run what we want, it just takes figuring out Jan 01 07:15:01 night all Jan 01 07:15:10 I just don't get why Nokia never had to put up with it Jan 01 07:18:00 I'd run the EMH in preware, but I can't find it either. Guess it's doctor time. Jan 01 07:20:38 woow, first firefox crash of 1020 Jan 01 07:20:41 err 2010 Jan 01 07:22:34 does anyone here use windows 7 Jan 01 07:22:41 if you have a window opening off screen Jan 01 07:22:50 is there a way to make it come back Jan 01 07:27:44 jacques: start and stop methods added Jan 01 07:30:20 entity-, still here? Jan 01 07:30:47 if so, alt-space then M then use the arrows to move the window Jan 01 07:30:53 alt-tab? Jan 01 07:30:56 what he said :P Jan 01 07:31:39 click on the program on the task bar.. then alt space, m, click one of the arrow keys then you can move the window around with the mouse.. Jan 01 07:32:20 or just right-click on the taskbar and choose 'cascade windows' Jan 01 07:32:24 oh sick man Jan 01 07:32:32 thanks Jan 01 07:32:39 i figured out another way Jan 01 07:32:45 carriers only have the power because greedy consumers give them it in return for subsidies Jan 01 07:34:36 my internet is funky tonight Jan 01 07:34:36 acydlord> woow, first firefox crash of 1020 Jan 01 07:34:40 wow .. you made it that long? Jan 01 07:34:51 y2k10 baby Jan 01 07:34:54 its happenin! Jan 01 07:35:29 i only made it about 15-20 minuted in for the first crash Jan 01 07:35:37 heh Jan 01 07:35:52 Been using chrome since 12... No crashes... Jan 01 07:35:55 Chrome wins. Jan 01 07:36:15 i've pretty much switched to it Jan 01 07:36:20 only a few things i run in ff Jan 01 07:36:25 * oil uses chrome as his main browser Jan 01 07:36:26 like MWAP Jan 01 07:36:28 heh Jan 01 07:36:37 i like fast and simplistic Jan 01 07:36:39 chrome doesnt render pages correctly too often for my likes Jan 01 07:36:54 same issue that stops me from using opera Jan 01 07:37:32 hmmm I dont find that to be a problem Jan 01 07:37:48 chorme works about 90% of the time for me Jan 01 07:37:57 maybe 95 Jan 01 07:38:03 Chrome works 99% of the time... Jan 01 07:38:16 Otherwise I use my IE tab extension Jan 01 07:38:32 i only use ie for one thing Jan 01 07:38:39 downloading another browser Jan 01 07:38:40 (which I guess is chrome so 100% chrome) Jan 01 07:40:17 i only use ie for one thing Jan 01 07:40:22 paying my charter cable bill Jan 01 07:40:35 their crappy site fails to let me log in with firefox or chrome Jan 01 07:40:44 err Jan 01 07:40:48 i had to do that the other day Jan 01 07:40:51 have you tried the IE tab extension for chrome? Jan 01 07:40:55 paying this stupid speeding ticket Jan 01 07:41:04 5 freaking over Jan 01 07:41:56 ok so.. wheres a good site to point me in a direction on writing my own crap for the pre? Jan 01 07:42:05 and some easy examples :P Jan 01 07:42:22 im gonna guess somewhere on precentral Jan 01 07:42:36 no, no ie extension Jan 01 07:42:59 extensions are what kills performance Jan 01 07:43:38 enhancements to the browser experience (haha) are worth a little performance. Jan 01 07:43:50 in my opinion Jan 01 07:44:00 pah Jan 01 07:44:07 till it starts running like ie Jan 01 07:44:13 i dont need it to do anything else Jan 01 07:46:28 rwhitby, sorry, at friends' house. leaving now. biab. Jan 01 07:46:36 jacques: no wucckas Jan 01 07:46:48 we were playing wii sports resort Jan 01 08:18:06 ok, we have an upstart manager service 0.0.3 in alpha testing Jan 01 08:20:18 only betas and greater show up in preware right? Jan 01 08:20:30 alpha we have to build the source on our own correct? Jan 01 08:21:41 alphas show up in the testing feed Jan 01 08:21:50 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/ Jan 01 08:22:28 by default, preware doesn't have the testing feed configured Jan 01 08:41:20 oil: upstartmgr 0.0.4 now in testing - that one should respond to dbus Jan 01 08:41:54 and at this point, I'm going to try a big-bang integration :-) Jan 01 08:44:51 dependency works Jan 01 08:45:47 banner works Jan 01 08:46:54 did it start? Jan 01 08:47:04 nope Jan 01 08:47:09 so... Jan 01 08:47:11 but it's not your fault Jan 01 08:47:12 service fail? Jan 01 08:47:17 well thats good :) Jan 01 08:47:19 i mean Jan 01 08:47:21 as in Jan 01 08:47:24 not being my fault anyways Jan 01 08:49:01 missing postinst fail Jan 01 08:49:47 fixing Jan 01 08:56:50 pushed updated versions to testing feed Jan 01 08:57:31 OMFG YOU GUYS!!! Jan 01 08:57:33 =D Jan 01 08:57:43 * Adora dances with rwhitby Jan 01 08:58:15 Adora: if you wait for 30 mins you won't need to use the terminal any more to launch it Jan 01 08:58:28 ? Jan 01 08:58:37 Adora: you haven't run DOOM! yet? Jan 01 08:58:53 HNY, BTW ;-) Jan 01 08:58:58 no dude, been too busy getting to 1000 apps Jan 01 08:59:07 lol Jan 01 08:59:11 oil: WORKS! Jan 01 08:59:20 win Jan 01 08:59:32 tested from launch button Jan 01 08:59:40 I haven't even been able to use homebrew for weeks now doing 1.3.5 testing Jan 01 08:59:41 works from icon too :-) Jan 01 08:59:53 rwhitby: that was the whole plan Jan 01 08:59:53 I guess I can put it back on now, though Jan 01 08:59:59 oil: yep :-) Jan 01 09:01:04 disclaimer: I am on my third glass of prosecco, with full intention to finish the whole bottle Jan 01 09:01:15 Adora: woohoo! Jan 01 09:01:28 oil: once it works for you, I'll publish it. Jan 01 09:02:36 i dont have the testing feed on my pre xD Jan 01 09:05:27 im sure someone else will test it Jan 01 09:07:17 I"LL TEST IT Jan 01 09:07:21 ...how do I test it? Jan 01 09:08:13 my webos devices are revolting, i think its cause i didnt send out happy new years texts at 00:00:01 UMT Jan 01 09:10:19 Adora: do you have Preware installed? Jan 01 09:13:40 oil: pushing to autobuilder Jan 01 09:15:46 I want doom launcher plz!! Jan 01 09:16:20 #webos Jan 01 09:16:28 rwhitby: installing it again now Jan 01 09:16:32 wtb doom launer aplha Jan 01 09:17:15 quick question 1.3.5 broke my preware Jan 01 09:17:20 my pixi needs to stop being on 1x evdo, i'm trying to check into 2010 so i can be mayor Jan 01 09:17:22 i just uninstalled it Jan 01 09:17:29 whats the best way to get a working version back on? Jan 01 09:17:35 all the things i found looked old Jan 01 09:17:42 ports update package manager via webos qi Jan 01 09:18:09 i just deleted it :/ Jan 01 09:18:11 whoops Jan 01 09:18:21 get 2.96 I believe Jan 01 09:18:37 that is what i was looking for Jan 01 09:18:40 version number Jan 01 09:18:40 thanks Jan 01 09:18:41 :) Jan 01 09:18:53 np xD Jan 01 09:19:50 anyone know what's up with the doom launcher alpha testing? Jan 01 09:20:29 in testing feed Jan 01 09:20:43 via qi? Jan 01 09:23:27 wait 5 and it will be in public feed Jan 01 09:23:43 i just realized i do have the testing feed on my pre xD Jan 01 09:24:56 What will be? Jan 01 09:25:05 * sportman is excited for it Jan 01 09:25:05 :) Jan 01 09:25:31 so how hard is it to make non web based apps for web os? like what languages can one use? Jan 01 09:26:12 magic Jan 01 09:26:32 well obviously i know i can't get it to run in a non rooted version of web os Jan 01 09:26:55 but im talking about things i could launch through terminal or something Jan 01 09:26:59 rwhitby: works here Jan 01 09:28:32 Haha, I wanna know whats going public Jan 01 09:28:35 ok, doom 1.1.1 is up Jan 01 09:28:51 downloading now :) Jan 01 09:28:57 checking it out Jan 01 09:29:08 Ok, ready to test, link? Jan 01 09:29:18 it is in preware now Jan 01 09:29:32 Hmm new manager service Jan 01 09:29:50 preware installer won't launch Jan 01 09:29:51 grrr Jan 01 09:29:52 Worked just fine Jan 01 09:30:06 doh... browser crashed, I missed the link if it was posted Jan 01 09:30:11 needs more bubbly Jan 01 09:30:18 adora: you will have to reinstall preware Jan 01 09:30:23 1.3.5 messed it up Jan 01 09:30:42 rwhitby: doom launched just fine Jan 01 09:30:53 Same here for Doom launch Jan 01 09:31:00 Tibfib1: I just downloaded the latest webos doctor and the latest version of preware Jan 01 09:31:04 it won't launch on my computer Jan 01 09:31:09 the installer Jan 01 09:31:11 Oh.... well then Jan 01 09:31:29 tried quickinstall? Jan 01 09:31:46 Tibfib1: thx Jan 01 09:33:51 rwhitby: how would you go about changing the keymaps Jan 01 09:34:16 I have found an issue. Doom will not launch with the MyTether patch installed Jan 01 09:35:06 rwhitby: it might be better for the user to launch the app (like the original version) then have a button at the bottom to launch doom... This way you can implement an app menu with help, preferences, about, etc... Jan 01 09:35:26 You can also provide instructions on the first card Jan 01 09:35:57 It worked fine earlier today from Terminal but I then installed MyTether and used it patch the phone for WiFi tethering and doom would no longer launch from terminal (didn't make the connection at the time) Jan 01 09:36:03 webos quick install won't even launch, either Jan 01 09:36:05 mother... Jan 01 09:36:52 Daaknes2: yep, that's just yet another problem caused by mytether Jan 01 09:36:59 Daaknes2, it seems that the mytether patch breaks the structure for the video drivers Jan 01 09:37:03 Has anyone else noticed this? Jan 01 09:37:08 yep Jan 01 09:37:46 i'm just gonna keep the mytether ipkg in /media/internal until i need to use it lol Jan 01 09:37:48 yep, uninstalled MyTether and I'm working fine again Jan 01 09:37:59 with doom that is Jan 01 09:39:58 can someone pm quick? Jan 01 09:39:59 :) Jan 01 09:40:13 This method doesn't allow you to launch Multiple instances of Doom!. I know it's useless but kinda cool to show that it *could* be done. Jan 01 09:40:56 I think you can still input the code in terminal... Jan 01 09:40:59 maybe not though. Jan 01 09:41:20 yep, add /bin to the end of the dir Jan 01 09:44:51 I could change it to allow multi-launch pretty easily Jan 01 09:45:15 just modify the upstart script to put it in the background Jan 01 09:45:29 1000 APPS IN CATALOG.... just so you guys know! Jan 01 09:45:48 Yep, the engadget app is the 1000th app Jan 01 09:46:02 Personally, I would like to launch multiple instances Jan 01 09:46:16 of doom just to show off Jan 01 09:47:27 I've even got the 1000 app catalog apps showing on my GSM Pre ;-) Jan 01 09:47:34 the app limit is fixed in 1.3.5, and it is also the first update where i can't install apps. Jan 01 09:47:58 everytime i get the "System adjustments have to made" and it forces me to restart...which procedes to give the same message again. Jan 01 09:48:16 fuck up doom launcher working for me Jan 01 09:48:22 @decimate if you update to the latest version of preware it fixes that issue Jan 01 09:48:28 up=yeah Jan 01 09:49:27 how close to a nes emultaor launcher?? Jan 01 09:50:24 Daaknes2: what is the latest version Jan 01 09:50:53 I believe it is ends in 27 Jan 01 09:52:10 yep, 0.9.27 is the lates package manager service Jan 01 09:52:40 do i have to uninstall, then install Jan 01 09:52:45 because i just installed over Jan 01 09:52:49 and it still didnt work Jan 01 09:53:29 there is also a something in there called the "emergency migration helper" that you may need Jan 01 09:53:42 Decimate: do you have a command line? Jan 01 09:53:49 yes Jan 01 09:53:57 run the preware-bootstrap script Jan 01 09:54:05 http://bit.ly/preware-bootstrap Jan 01 09:56:33 i just type that in? :/ Jan 01 09:57:02 rod, I'm confused. How could i get multiple instances of doom again? Stick to the old script method? Jan 01 09:57:39 Daaknes2: use the old script, but put a /bin right at the end of the third cd command Jan 01 09:58:07 Decimate: cd /tmp ; wget http://bit.ly/preware-bootstrap ; sh preware-bootstrap Jan 01 09:58:11 has anyone played the cubix game on the pre is it worth me downloading Jan 01 09:58:30 Happy New Year peeps Jan 01 09:58:44 thanks rwhitby: ill try it. Jan 01 09:59:29 @decimate this may help... http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware#Installing.2FUpdating_via_Automated_Script_.28Bootstrap.29 Jan 01 10:00:14 so you guys want multiple doom cards? Jan 01 10:00:30 hmmmm.... do need to know my vote? Jan 01 10:00:47 delete one line and add two characters Jan 01 10:01:46 you could could make two versions maybe Jan 01 10:02:21 then again that could confuse some.... or make a patch for it Jan 01 10:03:13 ok 1.1.2 will be there when the autobuilder runs next Jan 01 10:03:32 launching multiple cards works better Jan 01 10:04:04 My thought process on it is that no one is *REALLY* gonna play doom. For me it is something to finally show off on the pre. The next thing out of peoples mouth is how old doom is.... sooo I think multiple instances of it help to highlight the capabilities of the pre Jan 01 10:04:09 multiple dooms is totally pointless Jan 01 10:04:46 one doom is pointless beyond P.O.C Jan 01 10:05:07 I don't expect AAA titles to allow multiple instances so why not have doom serve as a proof of concept Jan 01 10:05:57 and it's the same reason guys do many of the things we do, cuz we can Jan 01 10:06:11 rwhitby: did all that and i still get the restart required Jan 01 10:06:32 Decimate: what restart required? Did you run EMH ? Jan 01 10:06:50 @decimate did you reboot the phone, not just luna? Jan 01 10:07:47 when you reboot the phone will move all your apps from /var to the usb partition Jan 01 10:07:51 I just noticed there's a .doomrc file with key bindings in it Jan 01 10:08:33 okay, preware is fully updated Jan 01 10:08:39 i ran EMH and luna restarted Jan 01 10:08:44 rwhitby: think you can make the keybindings user selectable on the laucnher you were talking about earlier Jan 01 10:08:45 shall i wait 30 minutes and see? Jan 01 10:08:57 yep Jan 01 10:09:37 @decimate: yep, I had the same issue as you and that is what fixed it for me. Jan 01 10:09:42 1.1.2 is up Jan 01 10:10:12 Jack87-WebIRC: nope Jan 01 10:10:30 i didnt wait at all Jan 01 10:10:35 but the app installs now :P Jan 01 10:10:37 thanks guys Jan 01 10:11:03 * Jack87-WebIRC is installing updated doom Jan 01 10:11:49 just updated to 1.1.2, works like a champ Jan 01 10:12:22 Installed and all three copies that i have running work great. your the man Jan 01 10:13:02 ok, that's enough doom for today. Jan 01 10:13:59 "You did good pig, you did good" <------- what movie? Jan 01 10:14:04 hum... i get a notification for a second thenis gone never launches Jan 01 10:14:49 @jack; I had the same problem until I uninstalled the mytehter patch. do you have it installed? Jan 01 10:15:05 Daaknes2: i dont have the patch installed Jan 01 10:15:18 hmmm... i got nothing Jan 01 10:16:29 Daaknes2: when the patch was being developped i did a lot of testing for it i dont think i have doctored my phone since maybe i have something left over before the patch was perfected Jan 01 10:16:49 doom works great Jan 01 10:16:51 good job guys Jan 01 10:16:53 launches right away Jan 01 10:18:17 It plays really well with 4 instances running, no lag what so ever and I can jump back and forth between them and pick up where i left off, unless an enemy was on the screen that killed me. The instances in the back ground to go into slow mo mode when you switch off of them but speed back up when you make them active again. Jan 01 10:18:36 sick Jan 01 10:18:42 yea works great Jan 01 10:18:44 concur Jan 01 10:18:55 my issue is with the controls but one cant be greedy Jan 01 10:18:59 it is insanely smooth Jan 01 10:19:18 the physical keyboard is not idea for gaming Jan 01 10:19:41 like i was say earlier, with the controls the way they are now i don't think too many people would try to seriously play it outside of showing it off Jan 01 10:19:43 Daaknes2: Babe Jan 01 10:19:52 yea i wouldnt play it Jan 01 10:19:56 but i would show it off Jan 01 10:20:09 i hope they implement onscreen keyboards for the official games Jan 01 10:20:20 like they do on the iphone with like pretty much a thumbstick in the corner Jan 01 10:20:25 * rwhitby bbl Jan 01 10:20:29 i dunno if u ever played the nazi zombies game on the iphone Jan 01 10:20:31 kinda like that Jan 01 10:20:41 @rwhitby good call, I was going to type it without asking about the movie but wasn't sure if you would pick up on the quote Jan 01 10:20:43 Daaknes2: do you have some time to do me a favor Jan 01 10:21:18 @jack sure... Jan 01 10:21:54 what language is doom compiled in? Jan 01 10:22:05 Daaknes2: with the mytether patch installed could you connect your phone as usb drive and copy the .mytether folder? zip it up and email to me? Jan 01 10:22:18 it would save me the hastle of doctoring the phone Jan 01 10:23:02 I can do that, but would it not be easier to run the script again through terminal? I can send you what you need to type Jan 01 10:23:48 Daaknes2: Like i said when i was helping test the wifi patch awhile back i think some of the files are screwy on mine Jan 01 10:24:10 which is why the game is unable to run with the patch not installed i think. Jan 01 10:25:12 jack: just so i understand, you want me to activate mythether, reboot, copy that folder and email it to you with the patch activated? Jan 01 10:25:57 right... so wifi patch active.. connect to computer in usb-drive mode and i believe the folder is called .mytether Jan 01 10:26:33 Thank a bunch Jan 01 10:26:56 jack: pm me an email addy Jan 01 10:27:43 akop87@gmail.com Jan 01 10:27:52 haha ya that would kind of come in handy :) Jan 01 10:28:59 i would pm... but i am not sure how. i am on irc through webchat in browser lol Jan 01 10:29:18 jack: click my name the hit "query" Jan 01 10:52:09 rwhitby: ping Jan 01 11:01:21 rwhitby: you can roll out the i told you so. mytether was the culprate kind of.... Jan 01 11:02:36 like i said it would make sense if the wifi patch was installed and causing the issue. but i didnt have it installed. remembered though i helped with some of the testing. something or another from my original files was curropted Jan 01 11:04:01 so the back up of the original that mytether makes was a bad copy. was able to repair it with daaknes2's help now i am good to go. i think that is just rare for me thought.. most others just need to unapply the wifi patch within mytether options Jan 01 11:09:03 running really smooth! good work Jan 01 11:11:09 hehe passed first level Jan 01 11:31:50 rwhitby: i found that .doomrc file in /var/home/root but i have no idea how to configure it :-/ intresting stuff though Jan 01 12:30:05 came from twitter to test the doom launcher Jan 01 13:17:07 anyone know if the new update allows for animated background via GIF or any other solution Jan 01 13:38:45 Don't know about the background specifically, but generally animated GIFs are now allowed. Jan 01 13:39:06 I want DOOM! to play as my wallpaper Jan 01 13:53:27 Well after fighting with several of my apps refusing to update and new ones not being able to install, I'm webOSDoctor-ing it for the very first time... wish me luck Jan 01 13:53:51 I made good back ups prior to starting (my MP3s for example, etc.) Jan 01 13:55:10 Fortunately I had recorded my serial number required by the web page, and didn't need to take the back off my phone to view it. Jan 01 14:37:20 hello Jan 01 15:07:32 zmg upstart service Jan 01 15:12:14 morn'n Jan 01 15:13:02 Bmyers: someone just wrote this last night? lol. works nicely Jan 01 15:13:53 morning all Jan 01 15:15:42 o, the doom launcher? Jan 01 15:16:53 rwhitby got it working already? Jan 01 15:16:54 wow Jan 01 15:17:30 well, he's been working on it since last year.. Jan 01 15:17:49 bmyers: lol Jan 01 15:20:40 bmeyers: is not just a doom launcher Jan 01 15:21:29 we can use it for all the sdl apps short term and a lot of other stuff besides Jan 01 15:22:03 thats just too cool.. just dl'd the updated doom to my pre Jan 01 15:22:23 gonna make the road trip today go just a little quicker. Jan 01 15:22:33 (no i am not doing the driving) Jan 01 15:22:36 destinal-nirc: how does the security work? Jan 01 15:23:07 I feel bad now the controls are so bad... yknow, now that it actually launches AM style, lol Jan 01 15:23:08 is it funny that doom is the most responsive thing on my PreGame- ? lol Jan 01 15:23:16 doh on my pre Jan 01 15:23:41 accident completion Jan 01 15:23:45 destinal: powervr is a monster ;) Jan 01 15:24:04 psx was only 33mhz. should get an sdl port going Jan 01 15:24:27 the problem is most of the emus are based on X11 libraries Jan 01 15:24:56 zsoc: the security is simple. any mojo app can now start any upstart service, so uh.. don't install your own rm -rf / service Jan 01 15:25:46 it takes root to write to /etc/event.d snyhow Jan 01 15:25:47 anyhow Jan 01 15:27:05 at least that's what we discussed, I haven't dug into rwhitby 's code yet since last night Jan 01 15:27:55 once we figure out how palm intends for native apps to be launched we won't need to use it but it's good for now Jan 01 15:29:47 you cant do mytether and doom together on the same device? Jan 01 15:30:50 destinal-nirc: I am fairly guessing that there will be a mojo hook to initSurface for sdl stuff, and webgl for opengl stuff Jan 01 15:30:56 so it'll probably all be js Jan 01 15:31:34 zsoc: not *will be* Jan 01 15:31:45 I bet it's there now Jan 01 15:32:01 destinal-nirc: correct, I meant will be released :) Jan 01 15:32:11 maybe if we strings enough we can find it Jan 01 15:32:33 whatever need for speed does to launch now is in there Jan 01 15:32:40 last part was a joke :p Jan 01 15:33:10 why? Jan 01 15:33:28 opengl stuff is a little non-standard to. everything is in 2 nonstandard libraries and it's missing a lot of popular apis Jan 01 15:33:46 because I don't think using strings will find mojo hooks Jan 01 15:33:46 ah Jan 01 15:34:04 I bet it's just appinfo.json Jan 01 15:34:19 destinal-nirc: wait, what if we strace things while luna is pushing sdl surfaces into a card? Jan 01 15:34:34 and we can find it with strings or ida but strings is cooler Jan 01 15:34:36 I don't know enough about js, is there real time debugging things? Jan 01 15:35:02 zsoc: I think it's simpler Jan 01 15:35:20 destinal-nirc: go do it then ;) Jan 01 15:35:24 some magic word in the appinfo.json Jan 01 15:35:46 zsoc: hey - wanted to let you know that dr fixed my doom issue.. as we had thought Jan 01 15:35:46 or maybe an embed in briwser of some new kind, Jan 01 15:36:22 cue79: good stuff :) you update to the new upstart-friendly version? Jan 01 15:36:25 cue79: rwhitby made the icon launch the game! Jan 01 15:36:48 destinal-nirc: nonono, it's not an npapi Jan 01 15:36:52 zsoc: yup - works fine too - was reading myteather might be part of the issue? Jan 01 15:37:06 zsoc: haven't reinstalled that but I did use it post 135 update Jan 01 15:37:09 destinal-nirc: that's what's breaking terminal Jan 01 15:37:26 zsoc: ok its probably just json then Jan 01 15:37:26 cue79: honesly I don't know :) seems to be a kernel module issue Jan 01 15:37:42 what's breaking terminal? Jan 01 15:38:31 zsoc: which myt can break when it patches things? would it be any help to try it out and report back? at this point my sms messages are gone anyway so testing wouldn't be a big deal if you care.. :) Jan 01 15:38:37 whats the newest version of preware? Jan 01 15:39:04 destinal-nirc: open and close teeminal twice. luna crashes Jan 01 15:39:26 cue79: yeah if you can figure anything out it would be helpful Jan 01 15:40:17 zsoc: eww gross Jan 01 15:40:30 will try it later Jan 01 15:40:32 zsoc: well the extent is I could reinstall mytether - patch both ways and then see if fdl dev remains or not? Jan 01 15:41:24 hi Jan 01 15:41:32 who can add apps to preware feeds? Jan 01 15:41:42 cue79: yeah, see if it stops your gpu kernel driver module or fb driver from loading Jan 01 15:41:43 * destinal-nirc launches multiple dooms from launcher just because Jan 01 15:42:05 zsoc: so I'm guessing lsmod before and after patching? see what changes? Jan 01 15:42:06 en0x: rod? why? you have quake working? :) Jan 01 15:42:19 cue79: that's a start yeah. and you'll need a full reboot Jan 01 15:42:33 zsoc: is quake gl too? Jan 01 15:42:42 err sdl Jan 01 15:42:47 zsoc: ok.. gonna have breakfast first.. should be a fun day of reboots :) Jan 01 15:43:04 hi Jan 01 15:43:14 so is it safe to install preware or should i wait for a newer version Jan 01 15:43:32 zsoc: maybe I'll use my wifes phone :) Jan 01 15:43:48 zsoc, http://jakub300.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/com.jakub300.preblip_0.7.0_all.ipk I found this project I contacted the guy who writes it... and he is ok if we add it to preware it's a clinet for blip.pl which is similar to twitter Jan 01 15:43:54 destinal-nirc: 'sdl' compatible versions of things don't necessarily work. some still need full GL libs or X11 stuff Jan 01 15:44:11 ah Jan 01 15:44:19 en0x: rod will see it in the backlogs when he wakes up :p Jan 01 15:44:36 destinal-nirc: but it's a good start to port things Jan 01 15:44:59 i think he is shit drunk Jan 01 15:45:00 :) Jan 01 15:45:42 ok so now if I want to install an app from terminal I do ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps install package.ipk? Jan 01 15:45:47 zsoc: yeah and importantly we can make our own apps fromscratch Jan 01 15:46:23 rwhitby: ping Jan 01 15:46:56 I want terminal in sdl but as others have pointed out, we lose webos functions Jan 01 15:47:05 did i got it right? Jan 01 15:47:23 no mojo means no menus etc Jan 01 15:47:51 unless we make our own Jan 01 15:48:14 ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps install com.jakub300.preblip_0.7.0_all.ipk Jan 01 15:48:18 so this should work fine right? Jan 01 15:49:03 enox: yes, if it doesn't have deps or use postinst Jan 01 15:49:41 ie not "advanced" Jan 01 15:50:02 well it'll still work with postist, just gotta run it manually Jan 01 15:50:23 right Jan 01 15:50:26 PuffTheMagic: don't you know sdl? make it work in an app :p Jan 01 15:50:37 what? Jan 01 15:51:16 destinal-nirc: we dont loose anything from current term by switching to sdl for terminal Jan 01 15:51:17 I am not able to load the webosUpstart Manager it gives an error from Preware, and also when tried from the webOSinstaller Jan 01 15:51:27 destinal-nirc: we already lack webos features Jan 01 15:51:35 using sdl would just be faster and nicer Jan 01 15:51:37 PuffTheMagic: true Jan 01 15:51:47 and we can mimic webos features Jan 01 15:52:15 big deal if we dont have that cursor from webos Jan 01 15:52:23 ok the installw orked fine Jan 01 15:52:24 thx Jan 01 15:52:27 we could do a similar thing with with the cursor in terminal Jan 01 15:52:52 PuffTheMagic: where would the tty actually come from? getty? Jan 01 15:53:17 zsoc: it already makes a tty Jan 01 15:53:33 terminal is already a native app Jan 01 15:53:55 destinal-nirc: oh. well then I just don't know how it works then :p Jan 01 15:55:05 I think we could use mojo to do a touch screen overlay in an sdl card. like virtual buttons/joystick Jan 01 15:55:59 and put silly penguins in the backround http://www.loria.fr/~rougier/sdl-terminal.html Jan 01 15:56:18 I mean sdl already has a 'joystick' input. it's probably what NFS connects the accelorometer with Jan 01 15:56:43 joshua: genius Jan 01 15:57:33 good thing webos has sdl-ttf Jan 01 15:57:38 id just like a common keys like ctrl to be easier to use like pssh had, and for the thing not to freak out if you open a screen session Jan 01 16:00:37 this was nice on my treo, but would be nicer on a bigger screen plus having local access: http://www.sealiesoftware.com/pssh/ Jan 01 16:10:33 is 1.3.5 giving anyone else problems with preware? Jan 01 16:10:53 ... is that a joke Jan 01 16:11:20 no Jan 01 16:11:41 I think i might have the wrong webosdr.jar file though so im giving that a shot Jan 01 16:11:47 or do you mean not the /var -> /media/cryptofs/apps migration issue? Jan 01 16:12:23 just in general Im having trouble. Preware can't seem to find any of the repositories Jan 01 16:14:36 i had an issue like that, and when i looked at the feeds, the postinst was never run .. it was a very strange thing - i ran the postinst in the new partition and it fixed it up Jan 01 16:26:11 nfoxTc: also check your feeds uri's. something could have gotten corrupted in your .../etc/ipkg/ Jan 01 16:26:26 ok Jan 01 16:26:59 is there a standard way to refer to /media/cryptofs/apps/? like $APPDIR or something? I hate typing it out now that it isn't /var :p Jan 01 16:32:34 i seem to not be able to update previously installed packages, or remove them. is this related? Jan 01 16:33:52 yo people Jan 01 16:34:02 think of things to customize in the doctor Jan 01 16:35:03 PuffTheMagic: you mean like meta doctor preinstalling things? Jan 01 16:35:16 Bmyers: you run migraion helper? Jan 01 16:35:42 zsoc: i guess not.. Jan 01 16:35:50 zsoc: where's that? Jan 01 16:36:20 Bmyers: in preware. list everything. search 'emer'. run migration helper, it'll restart and let webos do the rest Jan 01 16:37:22 PuffTheMagic: I think one nice one would be to eliminate the "not compatible" error http://dl.dropbox.com/u/802998/Untitled.png Jan 01 16:37:31 didnt catch that b4. thx zsoc.. Jan 01 16:38:08 PuffTheMagic: so that people everywhere can get 1.3.5 and mess with SDL :) Jan 01 16:38:09 destinal: do you know how? Jan 01 16:38:15 PuffTheMagic: not yet Jan 01 16:38:31 happy new year all Jan 01 16:38:40 HNY, AnOutsider Jan 01 16:39:20 grats zsoc on the DOOM! port. Was in line for avatar yesterday when I grabbed it. Almost walked into a wall ;) Jan 01 16:39:52 AnOutsider: grabbed the update that launches it yet? Jan 01 16:40:02 AnOutsider: lol. see the nice upstart service rod implemented to make it icon driven? (ie: launch directly from launcher) Jan 01 16:40:12 grabbing it now Jan 01 16:40:28 also gonna work on why themes are ending up in unknown/othe Jan 01 16:40:42 destinal: really only 1 of us needs to be here lol Jan 01 16:40:45 very cool (upstart) Jan 01 16:40:49 zsoc: hehe Jan 01 16:41:42 preware still gets an error removing ipkgs Jan 01 16:41:42 I think what I'm most impressed with is how smooth this thing is Jan 01 16:41:57 sure doom isn't top of the line 3D, but this is encouraging Jan 01 16:42:08 can anyone help me with why gstservice is kicking out an error when i try to update precorder Jan 01 16:42:11 Thats all CPU too right? Jan 01 16:42:16 usually first-time ports/hacks liek this come with the caveat of beign laggy/buggy since they were proof of concept Jan 01 16:42:20 no such dir /var/usr/palm/applications Jan 01 16:42:55 AnOutsider: well the thing is, Palm did the SDL work and obviously have been working on it for a while Jan 01 16:43:07 any idea why some themes doens't work with the new 1.3.5 update, and some do Jan 01 16:43:32 * Bmyers Doom rocks. Launcher is icing.. Jan 01 16:43:36 also, anyone know if the later update allows for animated backgroups or any preware app that allows? Jan 01 16:43:38 destinal: true, but it's not an official API yet, and in about 2 days you guys tapped it, got a game to run smooth as bawlls, and got a new service developed for it Jan 01 16:43:45 stop beign modest and pat your back a bit ;) Jan 01 16:44:26 how long do you guys think itll take palm to release an API for the gpu Jan 01 16:44:53 AnOutsider: ok, we rock. :) Jan 01 16:45:04 new app catalog functionality is nice. can just click to download stuf and it notifies you when it's installed later Jan 01 16:45:24 yeah i like that zsoc Jan 01 16:45:43 like background downloads, can do multiple simoultaneously Jan 01 16:45:46 AnOutsider: I've said it before, but it's amusing that DOOM is the fastest performing thing on my pre :) Jan 01 16:45:54 haha ditto Jan 01 16:46:02 but isn't it compiled anyways? Jan 01 16:46:10 well yeah it's native binary Jan 01 16:46:16 and yeah, new app store is cool, tho I dont get why they hide version number and stuff Jan 01 16:46:17 and opengl accelerated Jan 01 16:46:27 it's aesthetically fitting, and not everyone will discover how to find it Jan 01 16:46:35 AnOutsider: yeah, please fix unknown packages. I turned your theme off :p Jan 01 16:46:46 on it now Jan 01 16:47:09 Bmyers: did you update the package manager service? Jan 01 16:47:24 Bmyers: everything had to be changes for the new $APPDIR. Jan 01 16:48:29 i used mvapp to update the service Jan 01 16:48:33 hmm.. my wirc broke Jan 01 16:48:51 Bmyers: er... hm. I would run the preware bootstrap to be sure Jan 01 16:49:03 nothing should be checking /var for anything any more Jan 01 16:49:29 optware bootstrap u mean? Jan 01 16:49:34 Bmyers: no Jan 01 16:50:07 Bmyers: there is a preware bootstrap that installs (or reinstalls) the newest ipkgservice, which reruns the postinst script, which should fix tha problem Jan 01 16:50:28 Bmyers: unless you'd like to manually troubleshoot that issue for no reason Jan 01 16:51:01 not at all. easy works for me.. Jan 01 16:51:14 can you guys help me with what is probably a noob problem when ever you guys get time. gstservice wont update for me. here is a link to the log http://webos.pastebin.com/m108248a2 Jan 01 16:51:56 so besides preware and dropbear Jan 01 16:52:12 what useful apps should be installed via metadoctor Jan 01 16:53:02 hi guys Jan 01 16:53:09 zsoc: you mean this? http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware#Installing.2FUpdating_via_Automated_Script_.28Bootstrap.29 Jan 01 16:53:11 PuffTheMagic: doom :) Jan 01 16:53:30 * Bmyers DOOM ON YOU - DOOM ON U - DOOM ON U Jan 01 16:53:43 I don't know if maybe this is answered elsewhere, but I have that app catalog issue with my phone and it is persistent Jan 01 16:53:54 apps don't install fully until I run emh Jan 01 16:53:57 Bmyers: in term just: CD /tmp; wget http://bit.ly/dDEMO; sh dDEMO Jan 01 16:53:59 have to do it every time Jan 01 16:54:13 is there a way to easily change orientation of doom so i get the slideout keyboard on the left instead of the right ? Jan 01 16:54:22 xcomp: something keeps reinstalling to /var then Jan 01 16:54:45 bpadalino: hmm.. a left version? I could work it Jan 01 16:54:47 zsoc: app catalog is reinstalling to /var? Jan 01 16:54:59 xcomp: no, something home brew probably Jan 01 16:55:08 zsoc, neat .. Jan 01 16:55:44 bpadalino: or just play upsidown. I mean you're on mars. you should walk on the ceiling Jan 01 16:55:54 hehe - very true :) Jan 01 16:55:54 zsoc: thx. Jan 01 16:56:08 zsoc: looking in var I see just one app folder, com.palm.app.pdfviewer Jan 01 16:56:18 which perhaps was extracted a while back Jan 01 16:56:22 should I nuke i? Jan 01 16:56:24 *it? Jan 01 16:56:44 xcomp: there's probably a boycott against it because of the copyright thing Jan 01 16:56:55 xcomp: if you need it you could try copying it manually Jan 01 16:57:11 oh ... weird Jan 01 16:57:21 ok, I'll move it outta there and see if that fixes it Jan 01 16:57:32 PuffTheMagic: metadoctor should set persistent environmental variables to important locations Jan 01 16:57:37 I don't know if this also has something to do with simplebible not seeing its modules Jan 01 16:57:58 any theme changer? or do we have to manually unistall and install new? Jan 01 16:58:03 like a switcher Jan 01 16:58:23 zsoc: I see other stuff in lib/ too Jan 01 16:58:43 share/dbus-1/system-services/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice.service Jan 01 16:58:49 us.ryanhope.ubermonsrv.service Jan 01 16:59:01 ibukun@palm-webos-device:/var/usr$ ls lib/ Jan 01 16:59:01 BrowserPlugins luna Jan 01 16:59:01 ipkg webos-quick-install Jan 01 16:59:51 xcomp: nonono Jan 01 17:00:01 xcomp: not all of var is bad Jan 01 17:00:23 ok, so only stuff in /var/usr/palm should go Jan 01 17:00:38 still getting error trying uninstall and install virt kb Jan 01 17:01:21 xcomp: I believe that's accurate Jan 01 17:01:34 Bmyers: no idea what's going on with vk Jan 01 17:02:20 that was an example. they all seem to fail so far Jan 01 17:03:09 9.13 is the latest? Jan 01 17:03:14 Bmyers: just patches? or apps too? Jan 01 17:03:16 yeah Jan 01 17:03:48 preopoly update went ok. Jan 01 17:04:00 so i guess its patches that are failing Jan 01 17:04:08 mines did same Jan 01 17:04:12 patches and preware Jan 01 17:04:19 o man... Jan 01 17:04:40 its because of package installer, i updated, istalled via WebOsQuick Jan 01 17:04:54 did the new preware update bring with it a change in the feed spec? Jan 01 17:05:08 it would appear the unknown problems are stemming from themes with longish descriptions Jan 01 17:05:09 webinternals (All) check preware, and package installer, all fine Jan 01 17:05:45 zsoc: like? Jan 01 17:06:24 PuffTheMagic: I don't know. something for /usr/lib and something for /media/cryptofs/apps... just an idea Jan 01 17:06:44 Bmyers: run epr to remove all patches? Jan 01 17:06:56 zsoc: what do u mean something Jan 01 17:07:03 that is so vague Jan 01 17:07:06 idk what u are getting at Jan 01 17:07:37 zsoc: I moved the applications folder out completely and I still get the same thing. Stuck on "installing" Jan 01 17:07:45 PuffTheMagic: I'm just talking here. I don't know. there's probably already some sort of $APPDIR for /media/cryptofs/apps I don't know about Jan 01 17:07:51 or do I need to run emh one last time? Jan 01 17:09:48 xcomp: not sure. wouldn't hurt to try Jan 01 17:11:12 I'm going to stop helping people since apparently I'm failing Jan 01 17:11:30 lol ... please don't. :) Jan 01 17:11:37 lol Jan 01 17:11:38 i know the feeling. Jan 01 17:13:29 :( Jan 01 17:14:00 still doing the same thing Jan 01 17:15:06 ok, weird Jan 01 17:15:07 i have pdfviewer in /var too Jan 01 17:15:23 the installation process magically completes if I manually run luna-rescan Jan 01 17:15:43 why wouldn't app catalog run luna-rescan? Jan 01 17:19:45 oh cool, td ameritrade has a webos app now. It does everything except allow you to buy and sell stocks Jan 01 17:19:48 heh Jan 01 17:20:22 lol Jan 01 17:20:55 haha Jan 01 17:22:27 ok...take that back, it actually does allow you to trade :) has a weird name though. "Market Simplified" Jan 01 17:22:54 destinal: you ever run a full image diff? Jan 01 17:31:45 i knew i shouldnt have upgraded to 1.3.5 Jan 01 17:32:01 I' Jan 01 17:32:05 ll bite... why Jan 01 17:32:54 * zsoc lurves 135 Jan 01 17:32:58 eh its driving me crazy getting preware to work Jan 01 17:33:29 nfoxTc: what's wrong? Jan 01 17:33:54 well when i use the preware installer I get an error telling me it failed to install Jan 01 17:34:09 going to try web os quick install this time Jan 01 17:34:13 nfoxTc: you have terminal access? Jan 01 17:34:18 mhmm Jan 01 17:34:53 nfoxTc: cd /tmp; wget http://bit.ly/dDEMO; sh dDEMO Jan 01 17:36:10 after or before i install preware? Jan 01 17:36:22 goodness, now I know why they created the app spam filter patch. who is this brighthouse labs developer? Jan 01 17:37:12 does doom have a button mapped to go backwards or was that something the game its self didnt support Jan 01 17:37:16 nfoxTc: that _will_ install preware and ipkgservice Jan 01 17:38:16 tommyneubauer: for some reason, the back button goes forward really fast Jan 01 17:39:06 tommyneubauer: I haven't had a chance to play with key mapping. when I did it the first time it was 4am :p Jan 01 17:39:29 yeah i can understand that Jan 01 17:39:38 is there anyway for the end user to play with it Jan 01 17:39:52 zsoc: not yet Jan 01 17:40:01 tommyneubauer: no unfortunately Jan 01 17:40:28 destinal: I'd be curiously about changes in /framework Jan 01 17:40:44 sad day. i still think this is awesome the really fast movement just goes to show the frame rate capability of the pre though Jan 01 17:41:24 tommyneubauer: sad day because of the key mappings? lol. man. if it's that bad go fix it yourself :p Jan 01 17:42:09 sad day because i dont have the knowhow to get into it that deep Jan 01 17:44:30 and im not going to lie im a complete linux noob so being able to move stuff around and make things work like you have is way over my head Jan 01 17:44:52 zsoc: did you get a chance to read my little experince with doom a few hours back Jan 01 17:52:33 zsoc: you still doing native debian compilation or are you cross-compiling now? Jan 01 17:56:23 destinal: it works both ways. honestly it's so small it builds in about 35 seconds even on the pre Jan 01 17:57:32 Jack87-WebIRC: no but is it anything I'm not already familar with Jan 01 17:58:10 hey can someone tell me how to compile against the new sdl lib? Jan 01 17:58:30 zsoc: doom is in git, right? he could grab that to get starte Jan 01 17:58:31 d Jan 01 17:58:45 oh good idea Jan 01 17:58:46 zsoc: are you guys going to work on touchscreen movements on doom? Jan 01 17:58:59 zsoc: no... but its a little more confirmation that that having the MyTether Wifi Patch installed would not allow DOOM to run. But its easy enough to remove the patch when not wifi tethering Jan 01 17:59:08 gnuboy keeps lookin for directfb and generally being a pita Jan 01 17:59:36 sampson: would be complicated without palm stuff. Jan 01 18:00:04 Jack87-WebIRC: very good to know. maybe the writer will rethink how he installs kernel modules Jan 01 18:00:15 Leathal: I wonder if they updated their directfb to use the new graphics code but I wouldn't count on it Jan 01 18:00:23 Leathal: there are sdl options to change that Jan 01 18:00:38 Leathal: I believe you just need to hange directfb to fbcon Jan 01 18:01:04 sadness Jan 01 18:01:28 zsoc: i believe his been working on a solution perhaps he was waiting to see what 1.3.5 had to bring to the table before a release? I guess we will wait and see (the patch process was temp fix for users who wanted wifi tethering now) Jan 01 18:01:38 zsoc: is that a compiling flag or something I need to edit in the source? Jan 01 18:01:43 he's** Jan 01 18:02:45 Leathal: it's SDL_VIDEODRIVER Jan 01 18:03:28 awesome, i'll give it a shot. dont have access to my linux box cause im away for the holidays so im compiling on the phone over putty haha Jan 01 18:03:49 1 sec. I'm going to crash my phone. Jan 01 18:05:54 so i just run: export SDL_VIDEODRIVER="/dev/fb1" ? Jan 01 18:06:15 cause it compiled as fbgnuboy and not sdlgnuboy Jan 01 18:06:41 Leathal-PC: it's probably a ./configure option or in the makefile, right? Jan 01 18:07:05 wow, engadget showing how it's done. Very, very slick app. Jan 01 18:07:23 hey I called it, lol, what's I miss? Jan 01 18:07:34 whoops. Jan 01 18:08:09 destinal: checking now, vi over evdo putty is killin me haha Jan 01 18:08:29 Leathal-PC: usbnet is your friend :) Jan 01 18:08:57 Leathal-PC: hold on, try settin that variable globally and then launching gnuboy again Jan 01 18:08:58 Leathal-PC: you should know better about usbnet Jan 01 18:10:09 i was just thinking why engadget doesnt have a webos app how lame next thing i know they released one today Jan 01 18:10:37 zsoc: ok so export SDL_VIDEODRIVER="/dev/fb1" ? Jan 01 18:10:45 Jack87-WebIRC: so your force of will did it! :) Jan 01 18:11:03 Leathal: no, not the device location, the driver name Jan 01 18:11:05 full featured too ... comments, videos, galleries, podcasts, everything Jan 01 18:11:07 and it doesn't suck Jan 01 18:11:12 destinal: i wish my force of will can make me a million dollars Jan 01 18:11:56 Leathal: I know sdl supports 'fbcon', but maybe not in version 1.2.13, but try it anyway Jan 01 18:12:07 hi Jan 01 18:12:10 zsoc: sorry, brain still a little fogged from last night Jan 01 18:12:28 happy 2010 folk Jan 01 18:12:39 you too jack :) Jan 01 18:12:40 Leathal: that's ok. I didn't know what sdl was 3 days ago Jan 01 18:13:25 haha have you hopped on #sdl? the devs are pretty much stunned that Palm pulled this out of their collective asses Jan 01 18:13:47 yeah I go in and out of there. didn't catch any palm talk tho Jan 01 18:13:57 zsoc: you are famous "webOS hacker extraordinaire zsoc was able to put together a port of Doom" engadget news Jan 01 18:14:05 we're not worthy! Jan 01 18:14:20 lol yeah right Jan 01 18:16:07 haha welp it crashed my phone Jan 01 18:16:33 anyone know if there is a way to switch guns on doom? Jan 01 18:16:38 yeah Jan 01 18:16:42 orange+number Jan 01 18:16:58 once you get far enough you unlock new ones... and from there you can do orange+number Jan 01 18:17:04 Leathal: that's a good thing Jan 01 18:17:11 sick Jan 01 18:17:21 Leathal: segfault probably cause by resoulution Jan 01 18:17:31 when i download preware on my phone will it erase all the settings that i have on there now? Jan 01 18:17:38 zsoc: sweet, gonna dick around in gnuboys configs then Jan 01 18:17:38 hold orange down while pressing #? Jan 01 18:17:45 despite its retro-ness (hah?) I find myself playing doom all the time Jan 01 18:17:54 doom is so classic! Jan 01 18:18:14 this newest port runs amazingly smooth Jan 01 18:18:14 oil: any idea why Preware does "Fixing unknown packages" every time it runs? Jan 01 18:18:15 anedra: No Jan 01 18:18:25 thanks Jan 01 18:18:45 Leathal: you can turn that off in preferences Jan 01 18:19:24 What creates the unknown packages? Is it stuff on your phone preware doesn't recognize? Jan 01 18:20:00 Tibfib: sort of. turn of prethemer feed to get rid of 150 of them tho lol Jan 01 18:20:48 zsoc: oh, ive had that off for a while but I still get 20 or so Jan 01 18:20:57 * Jack87-WebIRC is downloading engadget app from catalog.... Jan 01 18:21:00 20 or so *unknown packages* Jan 01 18:21:35 xcomp: thanks, i was concerned it was a result of not migrating to /media/cryptofs properly Jan 01 18:21:43 Tibfib: yeah that's right Jan 01 18:22:27 ugh where the heck did gnuboy install, grep is taking forever to find it :| Jan 01 18:23:14 anyone else getting ipgk errors trying to install anything via preware Jan 01 18:23:16 Leathal: what do you mean 'install'? Jan 01 18:23:43 nfoxTc: did you run the commands? Jan 01 18:24:08 yep Jan 01 18:24:08 preware installed fine Jan 01 18:24:23 nfoxTc: try updating feeds manually? Jan 01 18:24:27 zsoc: wherever make install put the gnuboy config files Jan 01 18:24:34 cubix has worst ui ever! Jan 01 18:24:40 nope how would i do that? Jan 01 18:25:01 Leathal: /usr/bin for the exec and /usr/lib somewhere for the libs? Jan 01 18:25:26 Leathal: try find | grep -i gnuboy Jan 01 18:25:29 zsoc: you would think so... Jan 01 18:25:31 ok Jan 01 18:25:47 nfoxTc: the menu in preware. clip update Jan 01 18:26:00 see, this just ain't right Jan 01 18:26:04 Engadget app :) Jan 01 18:26:09 http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4037/4230705609_91f54f794e.jpg Jan 01 18:26:35 to me, the engadget app is no better than using the rss feed with newsroom... Jan 01 18:26:41 I still downloaded it tho Jan 01 18:26:44 lol it's so right Jan 01 18:26:52 zsoc ill give it a shot Jan 01 18:27:08 I am so out of the loop. I have no rss feed or twitter update apps Jan 01 18:27:15 the foursquare app is ridiculous .. for some reason they have all their previous versions ipk's in their installed directory .. Jan 01 18:27:17 xcomp: yeah, it plays multiple dooms really fast too Jan 01 18:27:17 Tibfib1: are you serious? It renders beautifully, allows you to view and post comments, gives you access to photo galleries Jan 01 18:27:24 and even an 'untitled file' of 0 bytes Jan 01 18:27:37 Tibfib1: videos, podcasts ... everything in one slick interface Jan 01 18:27:54 engadget is the best news reading app on the pre right now and it isn't even close Jan 01 18:28:03 I think the engadget app is really nicely done Jan 01 18:28:11 i agree they did a good job with the engadget app Jan 01 18:28:13 hmm found the binary at /usr/local/bin but no config files hmm Jan 01 18:28:29 xcomp: better than the one in the book? no way! Jan 01 18:28:33 the only thing missing from it is accelerometer support Jan 01 18:28:34 We need a precentral app like that Jan 01 18:29:04 destinal: which one? Jan 01 18:29:16 zsoc: there is a file called .doomrc rwhitby ran into last night Jan 01 18:29:38 zsoc: seems to have key bindings in it... think it can be customized? Jan 01 18:29:58 Jack87-WebIRC: yes Jan 01 18:30:16 I go to bed and the freaking people on the other side of the world get the upstart script working Jan 01 18:30:25 why does the fun stuff always happen while I'm asleep? Jan 01 18:30:42 * oil switched his sleep cycle to australian Jan 01 18:30:44 Jack87-WebIRC: but you'd have to make sure your SDL_keysym lib was set default Jan 01 18:30:53 rick_home: you can make key bindings customizable ;) Jan 01 18:30:58 xcomp: it is nice for anyone that uses engadget more than just to read the articles... which is what I do. I agree that it is a nice app and all. Jan 01 18:31:00 rick_home: tell me about it. I was in your boat 3 hours ago Jan 01 18:31:03 haha. boat Jan 01 18:31:09 zsoc still the same error Jan 01 18:31:24 nfoxTc: you should ask a preware dev Jan 01 18:31:34 * oil contributed 66 lies of javascript to doom! Jan 01 18:31:42 ok Jan 01 18:31:42 rick_home: it works pretty sexy tho right? Jan 01 18:31:50 66 LIES!!!! Jan 01 18:31:51 66 lies? lol Jan 01 18:31:53 s/lies/lines/ Jan 01 18:32:42 nfoxTc: reinstall preware or atleast the ipkg manager Jan 01 18:32:44 oops correction:***xcomp: it is nice for anyone that uses engadget more than just to read the articles... which is NOT what I do. I agree that it is a nice app and all. Jan 01 18:32:45 infobot, grr Jan 01 18:32:46 extra, extra, read all about it, grr is a sound that honeypea makes when she's patient, and should be angry or grr :) Jan 01 18:33:06 ohh Jan 01 18:33:59 jack87 i tried reinstalling preware about 4 times now :) Jan 01 18:34:08 and ive doctored my phone twice Jan 01 18:34:38 hmm fbgnuboy --vmode=320,480,16 still crashes the phone :( Jan 01 18:34:48 Tibfib1: yeah ... understood Jan 01 18:34:49 nfoxTc: :( Jan 01 18:35:00 yeah Jan 01 18:35:06 hmm or maybe just luna this time looks like Jan 01 18:35:11 zsoc: you can run multiple instances of the game Jan 01 18:35:11 baby steps! Jan 01 18:35:14 thanks ill just keep playing around until i figure it out Jan 01 18:35:32 Jack87-WebIRC: sure Jan 01 18:35:34 are you sure you want 16 and not 24 ? Jan 01 18:35:49 Leathal: you want 32 Jan 01 18:35:51 * oil goes to work on newyears, bbl Jan 01 18:35:57 32 even! Jan 01 18:36:00 zsoc: ok here goes Jan 01 18:36:25 webos sdk port supports resolution scaling but not bitscaling Jan 01 18:40:12 zsoc: nope crashed luna again Jan 01 18:40:31 where do segfaults and such get logged? Jan 01 18:43:01 Leathal: in var messages mebee? duno where fb driver logs. haven't gotten that far Jan 01 18:43:08 this thing is like 2 days old lol Jan 01 18:43:30 haha yeah i know, just mad excited about it Jan 01 18:44:12 i wanna get something "easy" under my belt so i can try porting tuxracer when i get home next week Jan 01 18:44:51 over/under on how many linux 3d games hit the pre by the time january is up? Jan 01 18:44:54 50? Jan 01 18:45:26 next gen webos needs a fb projector, so I can wirc on my wall Jan 01 18:45:56 xcomp: maybe official stuff. sdl is going to take a learning curve Jan 01 18:47:29 zsoc: but given that it didn't take that long to get doom working ... games like tuxracer et al that have already been written for sdl should arrive pretty soon, I think Jan 01 18:47:46 sdl? Jan 01 18:47:55 I suspect tuxracer would be very, very popular with the accelerometer Jan 01 18:48:07 don't tell me they released the API for the GPU Jan 01 18:48:12 surprised someone doesn't continue with the id games and go with sdlquake Jan 01 18:48:29 tux air hokey with multi touch will be awesome for multi player! Jan 01 18:48:34 nfoxTc: they gave us libSDL in 1.3.5, no documentation or sdk Jan 01 18:48:36 i will continue to dream Jan 01 18:48:36 bpadalino: it's only a matter of time :-) Jan 01 18:48:40 :) Jan 01 18:48:44 nfoxTc: but then we don't need that much for now :) Jan 01 18:48:44 xcomp: yeah and tuxracer already has rudimentary accelerometer support courtesy of the ibm guys Jan 01 18:49:02 hmm so an API with no instructions? Jan 01 18:49:07 sounds like Palm! Jan 01 18:49:21 well it was not to support us per se Jan 01 18:49:37 haha yeah bad joke Jan 01 18:49:47 it's an undocumented unsupported library, palm seems to be working with partners to make the first commercial 3d games Jan 01 18:49:51 no apis Jan 01 18:49:56 sdl is a librart Jan 01 18:51:50 hmm so it seems palm wants to be the first to make some "wow" factor apps Jan 01 18:51:56 zsoc: only relevant errors i can find are in /var/log/messages regarding hidd touchpanel crap and a kernel error about timeout in prcm_check_power_domain_status which i think is just related to NoDoze being active Jan 01 18:51:57 how big is nfs for iphone? Jan 01 18:51:59 over 100mb? Jan 01 18:54:30 because when they annouce games at ces Jan 01 18:54:41 downloading over 100mb game over 3g will be pain :P Jan 01 18:56:20 has it been verified that doom works on pixi as well ? Jan 01 18:57:16 bpadalino: not that I've seen Jan 01 18:57:43 zsoc: sorry man one last thing: tried to force ./configure --with-sdl and rebuild but i get this: checking for SDL_Init in -lSDL... no Jan 01 18:57:43 interesting Jan 01 18:57:57 hrm Jan 01 18:58:16 you think it would be possible to modify the camera app to flash the flash once real quick before doing the pic for red eye reduction Jan 01 18:58:35 all of my pics of my cat make it look like satan Jan 01 18:58:36 Leathal: what the hell are you compiling on? Jan 01 18:58:49 zsoc, so now u can write a precorder service to use sdl as accelleration Jan 01 18:58:53 :P Jan 01 18:58:55 to decode Jan 01 18:58:57 or encode Jan 01 18:58:57 zsoc: on the Pre itself, no linux access where i am Jan 01 18:58:57 :p Jan 01 18:59:06 hi Leathal! *is flyboi* Jan 01 18:59:08 http://omploader.org/vMzRzbw Jan 01 18:59:13 ^ another teaser screenshot Jan 01 18:59:14 Leathal: where tho? debian jail? or in webos? Jan 01 18:59:21 zsoc: webos Jan 01 18:59:29 hola flyboi~ Jan 01 18:59:51 im trying to stay out of a debian chroot for this Jan 01 18:59:52 Leathal: weird. well you don't have the sdl library. Jan 01 19:00:19 Leathal: unless you got the dev library from optware? Jan 01 19:00:21 PuffTheMagic: have you looked at the camera framework? Jan 01 19:00:25 zsoc: i did Jan 01 19:00:50 zsoc: ipkg-opt to install gcc and make Jan 01 19:00:53 sampson: can that question be any more vague? Jan 01 19:01:07 PuffTheMagic: that is full of sexy Jan 01 19:01:16 Leathal: er... Jan 01 19:01:19 i'm thinking about modifying it so when the flash is used it will flash once and then take the pic for red eye reduction Jan 01 19:01:19 PuffTheMagic: yeah, it could be "have you looked at that one thing?" Jan 01 19:01:34 just wondering if you had played with it at all before i bothered typing that out Jan 01 19:01:41 arm-none-linux-gnueabi-nm /usr/lib/libSDL-1.2.so.0.11.2 | grep SDL_Init Jan 01 19:01:41 hungover and effort don't mix Jan 01 19:01:42 00006800 T SDL_Init Jan 01 19:01:45 000064d4 T SDL_InitSubSystem Jan 01 19:01:55 PuffTheMagic: or "have you done that thing?" Jan 01 19:02:04 sampson: i've played with video recording.... not still captures Jan 01 19:02:11 zsoc: does webos come with a compile toolchain by default? ive never compiled anything on the Pre, use codesourcery at home Jan 01 19:02:30 Leathal: dont compile "on the pre" Jan 01 19:02:36 Leathal: crosscompile "for the pre" Jan 01 19:03:01 Leathal: If you have to compile on the pre I recommend debian chroot Jan 01 19:03:24 and a case of beer Jan 01 19:03:32 cause you are gonna be waiting Jan 01 19:03:36 Leathal: what does sdl-config --libs output? Jan 01 19:03:37 aw fuckbeans i don't have novaterm on here Jan 01 19:03:52 PuffTheMagic: doom compiles in, what did you say zsoc? a minute or so? Jan 01 19:04:01 PuffTheMagic: doom compiles in under a minute ;) Jan 01 19:04:07 zsoc: -L/usr/lib -Wl,-rpath,/usr/lib -lSDL -lpthread Jan 01 19:04:11 on the pre? Jan 01 19:04:17 but I agree generally compiling on the pre is bad Jan 01 19:04:23 PuffTheMagic: yeah. doom is tiny Jan 01 19:04:58 Leathal: you don't have sdl dev. only some palm sdl libs. you need the whole library to compile against Jan 01 19:05:28 what is libSDL_cinema.so ? Jan 01 19:05:32 Leathal: generally /usr/lib/SDL I think, or maybe /includes.. Jan 01 19:05:54 google doesn't recognize it Jan 01 19:05:55 If I want to install 1.3.5, I have to remove my preware patches, right? Is there any way to reinstall them automatically (as in not one by one)? Jan 01 19:06:02 jacques: it's used to replace the video player Jan 01 19:06:09 ah interesting Jan 01 19:06:18 what functions are defined in it ? Jan 01 19:06:36 having fun PuffTheMagic Jan 01 19:07:27 zsoc: would pulling down sdl-dev_1.2.11-2_arm.ipk from the optware repository possible help? Jan 01 19:07:40 *possibly Jan 01 19:07:46 Jack87-WebIRC: buckets Jan 01 19:07:52 Leathal: yes but in webos might break your patched sdl libs Jan 01 19:08:13 come on.... i need more options Jan 01 19:08:17 bpadalino: it's very small, entry points are things like CIN_Pause, CIN_Play, CIN_Stop Jan 01 19:08:36 zsoc: balls. well i have the good doctor here so i'm giving it a shot Jan 01 19:08:40 PuffTheMagic: I would like an SFTP service pre-install option Jan 01 19:08:49 jacques: it could also be used to play fmv in games Jan 01 19:09:03 there is a flash graphics library on there too .. Jan 01 19:09:06 what provides SFTP? openssh? Jan 01 19:09:08 i haven't looked at that too much yet Jan 01 19:09:17 PuffTheMagic: yes. Jan 01 19:09:40 yeah that can be done Jan 01 19:09:54 root@palm-webos-device:/var/log# ipkg list_installed | grep flash Jan 01 19:09:54 flash - 1.0-50 - Jan 01 19:09:55 flash-mini-adapter - 1.0.0-7 - Jan 01 19:10:02 for those interested in looking at the flash angle Jan 01 19:10:11 PuffTheMagic: meta-doctor recently got the option to copy over ssh keys. that would also be very nice to have :-) Jan 01 19:10:23 bpadalino: interesting... Jan 01 19:10:26 bpadalino: I think that's just the youtube support Jan 01 19:10:32 oh is it ? Jan 01 19:10:36 jacques: i guess u didnt look at the screenshort i posted Jan 01 19:10:46 PuffTheMagic: I did, but must have missed it Jan 01 19:11:02 PuffTheMagic: duh, sorry I see it now Jan 01 19:11:03 destinal: it's probably what creates that placeholder on flash applets Jan 01 19:11:09 right Jan 01 19:11:13 with the play icon if it's a youtube app Jan 01 19:12:24 :( Jan 01 19:13:02 wow I'm crashing a lot today lol Jan 01 19:13:22 zsoc: wirc is, or the pre? Jan 01 19:13:27 Leathal: I was saying you may have to change compiler flags / paths for configs Jan 01 19:13:30 destinal: pre Jan 01 19:13:44 stuff you're running / testing crashing it? Jan 01 19:13:48 Leathal: lord knows where optware instals dev libs, prolly /opt Jan 01 19:13:57 destinal: mostly term use :p Jan 01 19:14:08 so terminal is sucking in 1.3.5 then? Jan 01 19:14:09 jacques: ok OpenSSH is on there Jan 01 19:14:18 Leathal: also, you could set SDL_SetError to debug Jan 01 19:14:27 destinal: badly Jan 01 19:17:00 hmm.. doom seems to ignore sdl_videodriver Jan 01 19:17:04 zsoc: the luna graphics changes might have complicated any brokenness of our NPAPI apprach Jan 01 19:17:14 approach Jan 01 19:17:44 destinal: no they definitely did Jan 01 19:21:19 PuffTheMagic: how about the ability for enabling patches Jan 01 19:22:07 considering those "bassic options" are like first use and dev mode are like patches Jan 01 19:23:25 i guess preinstalling ipks like you have preware in there... so patches are now ipks. or would it cause conflict when webos updates come along? Jan 01 19:24:44 PuffTheMagic: is this crazy talk or is it doable Jan 01 19:25:55 Jack87-WebIRC: im not turning metadoctor into WOQI Jan 01 19:26:25 PuffTheMagic: it has nothing to do with quick install Jan 01 19:26:32 sure it is Jan 01 19:26:39 you want the same functionality of WOQI Jan 01 19:26:42 in metadoctor Jan 01 19:26:58 im not doing that Jan 01 19:27:03 it would allow the ability to make a truly custom doctor Jan 01 19:27:04 use woqi or preware Jan 01 19:27:34 it already is truly custom Jan 01 19:27:44 not really Jan 01 19:27:46 adding more shit dont make it more custom Jan 01 19:28:00 only thing i like about quick install is installing preware. and its a pain to add patches in preware Jan 01 19:28:16 its not hard to add patches in preware Jan 01 19:28:27 well either way im not getting into this argument Jan 01 19:28:35 preware already handles everything Jan 01 19:28:39 PuffTheMagic: its your app just a sugestion is all Jan 01 19:28:41 im not doing the task of preware Jan 01 19:29:00 Jack87-WebIRC: to do that is way beyond the scope of this project Jan 01 19:30:23 PuffTheMagic: would it be difficult to pull patches from the repo? Jan 01 19:30:52 Jack87-WebIRC: creating a framework to use those patches in a sane way already exists in 2 applications Jan 01 19:30:58 im not reinventing the wheel Jan 01 19:31:08 yes it would be a lot of work Jan 01 19:31:18 and pointless Jan 01 19:31:23 PuffTheMagic: roger that Jan 01 19:31:31 cause then you have patches applied.... and preware dont know about them Jan 01 19:31:38 so how u gonna remove them? Jan 01 19:32:11 i wouldnt call it pointless... be nice making a custom doctor without the need to reinstall stuff esspesially if you find yourself doctoring alot when testing stuff Jan 01 19:32:27 ya i asked wasnt sure if preware would be able to detect them Jan 01 19:32:43 lol, no it cant autodetect a patch Jan 01 19:33:05 Jack87-WebIRC: actually Jan 01 19:33:08 PuffTheMagic: i was thinking more like the ipkg (if it could detect that it is installed) Jan 01 19:33:24 Jack87-WebIRC: i cant use the ipkg Jan 01 19:33:30 i mean Jan 01 19:33:33 i cant run ipkg Jan 01 19:33:40 cause that needs to be done on the pre Jan 01 19:33:42 but i have an idea Jan 01 19:33:49 i could create an event.d file Jan 01 19:33:55 that gets run once Jan 01 19:33:59 a first use Jan 01 19:34:02 script Jan 01 19:34:07 that could run ipkg Jan 01 19:34:08 and install shit Jan 01 19:34:09 intresting! Jan 01 19:34:12 on the first boot Jan 01 19:34:19 using ipkg Jan 01 19:34:19 that be pretty bad ass Jan 01 19:34:24 so then i could do what u want Jan 01 19:34:40 in a way Jan 01 19:35:01 maybe even one day creat an app that can customize that even.d on the fly? Jan 01 19:35:19 well the doctor would create it Jan 01 19:35:37 i have support for "saving" a config to a file Jan 01 19:35:44 so that u dont have to manually choose everything each time Jan 01 19:36:02 sorta like a kernel .config gile Jan 01 19:36:04 file Jan 01 19:36:10 that be pretty cool and you can have a link to the patch git for people who want to look over the code Jan 01 19:36:19 kind like the firstboot in some distros Jan 01 19:36:26 what? Jan 01 19:36:31 Jack87-WebIRC: wtf u talking about? Jan 01 19:37:02 PuffTheMagic: never mind Jan 01 19:37:14 PuffTheMagic: but that's genious Jan 01 19:38:24 hm in the sdldoom git log: "Removed the armv6 binary" I wonder if that means pixi is known to not work? Jan 01 19:38:26 now i have to rethink the flow of this app Jan 01 19:38:57 jacques: it seems that way. I have no way to test one right Jan 01 19:38:58 now Jan 01 19:39:14 PuffTheMagic: perhaps just ad an advanced section Jan 01 19:39:51 hah http://www.instructables.com/id/The-Most-Useless-Machine/ Jan 01 19:39:54 im gonna build one of them Jan 01 19:42:19 Leathal: hows it going? Jan 01 19:43:14 Oh hey Leathal you hang out here? Jan 01 19:43:48 zsoc: trying to get sdl-config to pick up the SDL dev stuff from optware Jan 01 19:44:17 El_Matarife: hey sup man, i pop in to annoy people from time to time in here, yeah Jan 01 19:44:31 how much does it cost to get a pixi off contract ? Jan 01 19:44:47 When you're not annoying us in the thread with your usually relentless negativity :P Jan 01 19:44:57 morning Jan 01 19:44:58 lol Jan 01 19:45:06 re rwhitby Jan 01 19:45:08 $400 for a pixi straight retail Jan 01 19:45:13 hahah consider me a changed man after 1.3.5 :p Jan 01 19:45:13 Actually the thread has been pretty negative for like two months now thanks to the last few botched updates till 1.3.5 really bailed Palm out Jan 01 19:45:13 rwhitby: zomg upstart service overnight? :p Jan 01 19:45:21 zsoc: yup Jan 01 19:45:47 zsoc: we have C services in the bag now Jan 01 19:45:56 (mostly thanks to PuffTheMagic) Jan 01 19:46:04 rwhitby: how does it handle the wad issue? Jan 01 19:46:21 zsoc: upstart script has a 'chdir' option Jan 01 19:46:32 ah, nice Jan 01 19:46:39 rwhitby: did read the last couple min of backlog Jan 01 19:46:56 I was just about to try running doom without hardware acceloration Jan 01 19:47:14 rwhitby: the metadoctor gui will be able to create a firstrun event.d which can automatically install anything in preware on first boot after metadoctoring ;) Jan 01 19:47:23 cool Jan 01 19:47:25 and that list can be customized via metadoctor gui Jan 01 19:47:26 :D Jan 01 19:47:51 which is apparently impossible Jan 01 19:48:21 zsoc: u gonna rebuild/package fceux now? Jan 01 19:49:09 rwhitby: morning Jan 01 19:49:17 hey Jan 01 19:49:35 anyone get a class action lawsuite notice in the mail for sprint? Jan 01 19:49:46 destinal: did you like the service? Jan 01 19:49:59 rwhitby: yeah, nice work Jan 01 19:49:59 MiX-ToP: regarding what? Jan 01 19:50:06 not sure Jan 01 19:50:21 rwhitby: you didn't waste any time I see :) Jan 01 19:50:22 rwhitby: what service? Jan 01 19:50:31 PuffTheMagic: was going to help with gnuboy, but yeah I was planning on looking at fceux later Jan 01 19:50:42 PuffTheMagic: i am glad you reconsidered your stance! :) Jan 01 19:50:47 fceux > gnuboy Jan 01 19:50:49 utility consumers action network and eric taylor vs sprint solutions inc and sprint spectrum l.p Jan 01 19:50:51 Jack87-WebIRC: huh? Jan 01 19:50:57 gonna read it in a few Jan 01 19:51:26 PuffTheMagic: let me go see what it would take to port. Jan 01 19:51:30 PuffTheMagic: haha the use of your meta doctor wizard for aid in instalation of stuff! Jan 01 19:51:41 PuffTheMagic: upstartmgr, used by sdldoom Jan 01 19:51:58 MiX-ToP: it's regarding if you were a custie in a date range and paidan etf or something Jan 01 19:52:00 rwhitby: please tell me you are using the upstart ipc and not making system calls Jan 01 19:52:01 you get like $5 woopdie Jan 01 19:52:17 PuffTheMagic: implementation detail which can be changed later Jan 01 19:52:23 :( Jan 01 19:52:24 lame Jan 01 19:52:28 i want like 500$ Jan 01 19:53:14 rwhitby: well if we have to worry about "API" breakage it might never get changed later (like ipkgservice in C) Jan 01 19:53:58 PuffTheMagic: bah, it requires SCons Jan 01 19:54:00 rwhitby: have you had a chance to do the preinst scripts for flashlight? Jan 01 19:54:10 zsoc: no porting necessary Jan 01 19:54:17 zsoc: i had ipks of it before Jan 01 19:54:26 built via gentoo userland that i gave u Jan 01 19:54:31 PreGame: working on that now - couldn't do it last night Jan 01 19:54:40 k Jan 01 19:54:42 PreGame: check lastest commit for ledmanager for postinst and prerm Jan 01 19:54:55 PuffTheMagic: hmm... you still have them? Jan 01 19:55:03 rwhitby: uh, only one thing.. do you have any input validation on the called name? should really be letters and numbers only, otherwise starting "&program" becomes an issue Jan 01 19:55:03 nope Jan 01 19:55:04 when i do any updates do i need to wait until the nightly build for it to show in preware or can i force it? Jan 01 19:55:08 it shoudl be easy to build Jan 01 19:55:13 zsoc: why do you not have scons? Jan 01 19:55:16 * destinal reads code Jan 01 19:55:22 destinal: check the code for %%% tags - there are lots of them that need fixing Jan 01 19:55:29 PuffTheMagic: because I'm at work and can only build on my pre atm :p Jan 01 19:55:45 rwhitby: ah, I see Jan 01 19:55:58 PreGame: it builds every 15 mins. but I haven't set it the Makefile yet. Jan 01 19:56:00 PuffTheMagic: I mean I can build scons to, just another step Jan 01 19:56:10 destinal: if you can help there I would appreciate it Jan 01 19:56:20 rwhitby: sure Jan 01 19:56:37 rwhitby: do i just do a fetch? Jan 01 19:56:55 PreGame: git pull Jan 01 19:57:02 PuffTheMagic: is your gentoo userland available? Jan 01 19:57:10 jacques: not today Jan 01 19:57:18 PuffTheMagic: ultimately this is going to go away at least when it comes to starting GUI programs once we find the proper incantation to make luna invoke binaries for us Jan 01 19:57:20 got familly coming over for dinner any moment Jan 01 19:57:29 destinal: its not going away Jan 01 19:57:38 destinal: i had plans to make a upstart service from day one Jan 01 19:57:47 and all this hackery making system calls is more work any using the ipc Jan 01 19:57:48 PuffTheMagic: right, I mean a good upstart service will need to exist Jan 01 19:58:05 please please please using the ipc from the get go Jan 01 19:58:27 PuffTheMagic: can we link to the upstart library then? Jan 01 19:58:40 destinal: sorta yes Jan 01 19:58:45 destinal: there is no library on the userland Jan 01 19:59:05 its static linked into initctrl Jan 01 19:59:18 u need to copy the upstart source into the service dir Jan 01 19:59:20 and build it Jan 01 19:59:31 then steal the libupstart Jan 01 19:59:34 destinal: that's exactly why it wasn't ipc out of the box - would have needed to get the library all set up on the autobuilder first, so would have delayed the release significantly Jan 01 19:59:34 PuffTheMagic: ah Jan 01 19:59:38 aaaaannnfff my debian chroot's outta space Jan 01 19:59:52 PuffTheMagic: yeah I understand, this whole thing is "hack for doom, replace me immediately" :) Jan 01 20:00:27 destinal: i dont care if its for doom, its needed/useful for other things Jan 01 20:00:33 i keep forgetting that if I doctor I have to re-enable dev mode. :-( Jan 01 20:00:35 PuffTheMagic: agreed Jan 01 20:00:49 rwhitby: extracting upstart into the upstartmgr folder and running make on it should be trivial Jan 01 20:01:12 yep, should be. wasn't yesterday. Jan 01 20:01:20 PuffTheMagic: how much binary compatibility is there -- do we have to use the same version palm is? Jan 01 20:01:28 yes you do Jan 01 20:01:41 cause the ipc is dbus in newer versions Jan 01 20:01:52 too bad they didn't use a newer version :) Jan 01 20:01:57 yeah Jan 01 20:02:01 i;ve been saying that from day 1 Jan 01 20:02:08 its a shame Jan 01 20:02:21 and the version they use is REALLY old Jan 01 20:03:09 oooh, the version on the pre doesn't use d-bus. I didn't understand that before Jan 01 20:03:30 that would have been very convenient Jan 01 20:05:57 PuffTheMagic: strangely, the version on the pre is same as on fedora 11 and 12 Jan 01 20:06:12 jacques: fedora uses 0.3.x? Jan 01 20:06:18 0.6.x is out Jan 01 20:06:35 jacques: Fedora uses upstart? Jan 01 20:06:59 destinal: every fedora since 9 or 10 Jan 01 20:07:21 PuffTheMagic: 0.3.11, I know the Pre says 0.3.8 Jan 01 20:07:39 upstart-0.3.11-3.fc12.x86_64 Jan 01 20:07:44 I noticed for a long time ubuntu was half-using upstart, ie they hadn't ported init scripts to pure upstart configs for a LONG time Jan 01 20:08:14 it's nice that pre is more or less totally the new way Jan 01 20:08:22 s/pre/webos/ Jan 01 20:08:23 destinal meant: it's nice that webos is more or less totally the new way Jan 01 20:09:01 PreGame: see /msg Jan 01 20:09:02 destinal: yes I think Palm has made some very good decisions Jan 01 20:12:01 ok.. reading the thing Jan 01 20:13:00 "sprint wireless data connetion card customers who were billed and paid certain state taxes, sms text messages charges, e911 charges and wlnp charges between sept 1 2006 and oct 28 2009" Jan 01 20:13:16 how much you gettin? $5 Jan 01 20:13:23 stil reading Jan 01 20:13:44 a full refund of all charges Jan 01 20:13:48 if i submit proff Jan 01 20:13:50 proof Jan 01 20:14:15 the taxes have already been credited Jan 01 20:14:18 which will be like 3 txt messages Jan 01 20:14:23 if that Jan 01 20:14:24 heh Jan 01 20:14:36 sprint fucked up my bill and i was paying taxes for 2 states Jan 01 20:15:12 hah Jan 01 20:15:17 did the same to me Jan 01 20:15:21 florida and texas Jan 01 20:20:38 * rwhitby notes that at least half of the credit for doom launching from the icon needs to go to oil ... Jan 01 20:21:47 Leathal: want to work on autobuilder SDL support? Jan 01 20:24:49 dont tell people that Jan 01 20:25:44 rwhitby: sure, i'll see what i can contribute. still doing a lot of reading up on all this though Jan 01 20:25:55 oil, installed preware and package manager service on a newly doctored 135 pre, get onfeeds error typeerror cannot read property length of undefined. Jan 01 20:26:01 Leathal: git clone preware/build.git Jan 01 20:26:17 rick_home: installed now? Jan 01 20:26:21 s/now/how/ Jan 01 20:26:22 rwhitby meant: rick_home: installed how? Jan 01 20:26:30 webosquickinstall Jan 01 20:26:38 which version of wosqi Jan 01 20:27:08 203 Jan 01 20:28:36 rick_home: you need 2.96 Jan 01 20:29:16 god i love doom this is actually pretty playable Jan 01 20:29:16 or just use the preware bootstrap. Jan 01 20:29:21 ahhh crud Jan 01 20:29:30 Jack87-WebIRC: needs strafing Jan 01 20:29:44 zsoc: it seems to straf right but not left Jan 01 20:29:58 . strafs right Jan 01 20:30:03 did I mention how much I HATE doctoring my phone? Jan 01 20:30:20 rick_home: why? it's pretty easy Jan 01 20:31:08 rick_home: PuffTheMagic is making his meta doctor and it should make life much easier with even.d he is planning on adding Jan 01 20:31:57 zsoc: i just cant change weapons easily with one hand :( i wonder if the number buttons can nativl change without the need for orange button Jan 01 20:32:49 * Jack87-WebIRC continues to level 3 Jan 01 20:33:06 yeah I could do that Jan 01 20:33:43 I think the best pre controls would be wiimote, dpad for forward back and turn left and right, and accelerometer tilt for strafe Jan 01 20:33:48 zsoc: might need to move movement keys up one row to ujn sso h can be used for sprint Jan 01 20:33:53 it's pretty easy, but I loose all the customization I have done. All the patches, all the webos apps, etc etc etc... Jan 01 20:34:16 and I have to re-enable dev mode, and install preware and go back through and re-install everything. It's a pain Jan 01 20:34:51 * Jack87-WebIRC find shot gun to be awesome Jan 01 20:35:03 PuffTheMagic: please install openssh-sftp-server in meta-doctor, cause Dropbear can't be easily made to work without also having to set an unused root password, whereas openssh will work out of the box with a copied authorized_keys Jan 01 20:35:04 rick_home: yeah, I think making a custom doctor profile with desired patches that can apply to any doctor version would be the thing we really need Jan 01 20:35:36 destinal: about half hour or so back PuffTheMagic and i disccused that i think he will be applying it Jan 01 20:35:37 destinal: I think we need persistent configuration support in Preware Jan 01 20:36:00 rwhitby: but persist how? Jan 01 20:36:02 rwhitby: dropbear and openssh will be available to install Jan 01 20:36:09 rwhitby: setting a root password is doable also Jan 01 20:36:18 its on my list Jan 01 20:36:46 destinal: on /media/internal somewhere Jan 01 20:39:01 PuffTheMagic: setting a root password will just be confusing for AM, cause it will never be used Jan 01 20:39:37 rwhitby: if AM wants dropbear she will have to set root password, if she dont want dropbear, she wont see it Jan 01 20:39:53 PuffTheMagic: that's why I'm suggesting just openssh for AM Jan 01 20:40:05 rwhitby: i am not auto selecting anything Jan 01 20:40:24 PuffTheMagic: I'm saying the dropbear option is superfluous Jan 01 20:40:37 no its not... i will be using it Jan 01 20:40:39 so will others Jan 01 20:40:49 ok, just don't put it first then. Jan 01 20:41:11 cause the instructions on the wiki are going to tell AM to use openssh Jan 01 20:41:23 rwhitby: you can tell AM to do what ever you want Jan 01 20:41:56 rwhitby: i might have a "Aunt Minnie Mode" and "Expert Mode" option early on Jan 01 20:42:01 and i might not even expose shit for AM Jan 01 20:42:03 yes, and you can help that process by making the tool guide AM in the same direction, instead of an opposite direction Jan 01 20:42:36 since it's arbitrary decision from your point of view, putting openssh before dropbear in the list of options is no big deal for you, right? Jan 01 20:42:43 why even bother with SSH for AM Jan 01 20:42:48 she dont know what a ssh key is Jan 01 20:42:56 esp if she cant handle setting a password Jan 01 20:43:07 * rwhitby gives up Jan 01 20:43:14 it's just too hard Jan 01 20:43:45 Can someone from webos-internals PM about donations, thanks Jan 01 20:43:45 * rwhitby goes back to doing something constructive Jan 01 20:43:52 rwhitby: well you tell me AM cant handle setting a password, but she is skilled enough to setup authorized keys Jan 01 20:44:10 cashen: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Internals:Site_support Jan 01 20:44:32 I know how to make a donation, i wanted to talk to someone about it Jan 01 20:44:44 cashen: /msg'd you Jan 01 20:46:46 I followed this tutorial in order http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Tutorials_Linux_DDNS_Update_Client_wget#Make_this_script_executable keep dyndns account in sync when the ip on ppp0 changes. However, for some reason the account doesn't get updated when I say turn airplane mode on an off in order to bring ppp0 down and back up. However, when I go ahead and execute 09update-ddns manually, everything works. Jan 01 20:49:05 AM can barely change directories Jan 01 20:49:18 (see doom thread) Jan 01 20:49:58 alkos333: you know ez-ipupdate is in Preware now? Jan 01 20:51:15 kend Jan 01 20:51:19 whoops Jan 01 20:54:07 rwhitby: well I don't see how this can get any "ezier" .. Jan 01 20:54:46 it's a a 2-line script that's run when ppp0 is brought up.. I don't see why it wouldn't work when ppp0 is brought down and then back up, but it would work if I just run it manually Jan 01 20:55:05 * Jack87-WebIRC advances to level 4 doom Jan 01 20:56:08 zsoc: it appears there are multiple sdldooms; did yours come from here: http://www.libsdl.org/projects/doom/ or here: http://firehead.org/~jessh/lsdldoom/ Jan 01 20:56:54 jacques: first Jan 01 20:58:27 * Jack87-WebIRC has a machine gun now.. better watch out Jan 01 20:58:55 holding button down contineus to shoot yaya Jan 01 20:59:11 you mean holding your finger? Jan 01 20:59:22 zsoc: did you look at the second? zsoc thanks Jan 01 20:59:27 oil: haha ya! Jan 01 20:59:27 oops Jan 01 20:59:45 I can't tell which is "newer" Jan 01 20:59:46 i never played far enough to get the machine gun Jan 01 21:00:07 i need some on screen controlls for real Jan 01 21:00:15 this game is pretty playable i am liking it a lot... just need starf left and change weapons without need of orange ke Jan 01 21:00:19 jacques: I have not, why? Jan 01 21:00:55 oil: combination of keyboard and on screen could always be nice Jan 01 21:01:21 zsoc: in case there were improvements of some sort. I haven't seen anything yet tho Jan 01 21:01:31 need on screen joystick Jan 01 21:01:46 my thumb isn't wide enough for 3 buttons Jan 01 21:02:29 oil: what if it was on jhbn j being forward?? Jan 01 21:02:38 h and n left and right Jan 01 21:02:38 oil: figure out how to do it :) Jan 01 21:02:45 and having no walk backwards is a pita Jan 01 21:03:05 oh, im stuck in a corner, guess ill rotate 180 and go forward now Jan 01 21:03:05 with finger sitting at an angle while holding the phone it seems to make sense to me Jan 01 21:03:06 lol Jan 01 21:03:39 put fingers on j,h,n,b Jan 01 21:03:42 I think h for forward, y for look left, b for look right, g for backwards and J for turbo Jan 01 21:03:54 so, very important topic: swag. Jan 01 21:04:03 * cashen loves swag Jan 01 21:04:11 cashen has graciously volunteered to organise stickers Jan 01 21:04:17 * zsoc never gets swag Jan 01 21:04:19 so we need a tag-line to go with the current logo Jan 01 21:04:22 I NEED STICKERS Jan 01 21:04:23 mmmmmm, swag Jan 01 21:04:36 e.g. nslu2-linux.org had the tag-line "Small is Powerful" Jan 01 21:04:59 I know, thats why i thought swag is important! Jan 01 21:05:04 j forward h left n right b back put finger on it.. feels natural with angle of hand Jan 01 21:07:33 * Jack87-WebIRC votes that should be standard for webos gaming Jan 01 21:08:38 Jack87-WebIRC: round up everyone's opinion for doom control. and look through the docs and see if there's supposed to be strafing mappable. or ask in sdl. I'll be back in 2 hours. Jan 01 21:08:52 lol Jan 01 21:09:11 Jack87-WebIRC: that's genious, I never would have thought of 45 deg, but it does fit nice Jan 01 21:09:13 I like Tux holding the Pre Jan 01 21:09:35 I think . is currently straff right Jan 01 21:09:40 jettero: ya it feels a lot nicer then straight across Jan 01 21:10:03 zsoc: did you get my message earlier that straf right works by pressing .? Jan 01 21:10:04 cashen: Templarian is doing an SVG version of the logo at the top left of webos-internals.org Jan 01 21:10:10 There has to be a good designer that could whip up a sweet design for us. Jan 01 21:11:23 Jack87-WebIRC: hm... it does strafe right. good Jan 01 21:11:49 I dog is insane, just jumped on my laptop. Jan 01 21:12:03 ok, so how do we combine strafe and turn with 1 hand? Jan 01 21:12:27 we add on screen controls :) Jan 01 21:12:50 rwhitby: I'm doing that in svg, thought i was doing the other tux. Jan 01 21:13:03 y straf left and period straf right? Jan 01 21:13:15 * Templarian is far to hungover to think though, let alone design. Jan 01 21:13:26 ofcourse itl need multi-touch Jan 01 21:13:30 idk if sdl supports it Jan 01 21:13:32 Templarian: doesnt have to be today Jan 01 21:13:36 cashen: we're going to be doing a banner for SCALE for webos-internals.org too - like http://www.nslu2-linux.org/gallery/scale5x/IMG_3659 Jan 01 21:13:37 i should hope so Jan 01 21:13:47 zsoc: scratch that.... u straf left k straf right Jan 01 21:13:53 oil: it sort of supports it Jan 01 21:14:02 rwitby: nice Jan 01 21:14:24 j being forward u and k are easy reach for strafting as well as h and n for turning Jan 01 21:14:57 rwhitby: heh, a clean build preware/build.git takes a while these days (though it looks like a lot of it is autopatch) Jan 01 21:15:05 anyone else agree? Jan 01 21:15:20 destinal: yeah, it is. Jan 01 21:15:43 ok, now to work out why the new ledmanager service isn't working .... Jan 01 21:16:13 Jack87-WebIRC: I also need a standard set without the angle. what about 'u, j, n' for 'turn left, move forward, turn right' and 'y, h, b' for 'strafe left, move back, strafe right'? Jan 01 21:16:51 I figure strafe should be horizontally aligned to 'move back', so you can dodge and run away Jan 01 21:17:29 zsoc: im going to play and see Jan 01 21:17:44 zsoc: a portrait mode would be cool for actually using the keyboard :) Jan 01 21:17:55 h and f be straf while u and k turn? why not use angle? Jan 01 21:18:17 zsoc: probably nontrivial I guess Jan 01 21:18:20 destinal: stop having out of the box ideas Jan 01 21:19:05 Jack87-WebIRC: you're saying use both thumbs? Jan 01 21:19:38 ok, the ledmanager service does work, it just needs upstart love Jan 01 21:19:44 zsoc: no just one thumb put finger on the j h,n easy rach for strafting as well as uk for turning? Jan 01 21:20:20 I'll have to try it Jan 01 21:20:30 Jack87-WebIRC: you play with doomrc yet? Jan 01 21:20:33 zsoc: b can be back which is perfect when you switch to strafing Jan 01 21:20:55 zsoc: i was looking at it i dont understand what the numbers mean can you give me a quick crash corse Jan 01 21:21:18 rwhitby: i just ran the meta-doctor on 1.3.5... just checked it and it said "unable to restore rom" or something like that Jan 01 21:21:18 just a little brifing to give me an idea im sure i can figure it out then Jan 01 21:21:30 rwhitby: what are my options right now? Jan 01 21:21:32 Jack87-WebIRC: oh. numbers are ascii values. just look up standard ascii charts Jan 01 21:21:42 that will be good. Jan 01 21:22:01 zsoc: awesome thanks... i will experiment controls and submit what i like for your aprooval Jan 01 21:22:04 rwhitby: can we launch with options? we could have diff doomrc's for diff control scemes Jan 01 21:22:23 approval* Jan 01 21:22:46 zsoc: i asked him that last night he didnt seem to like it :-/ Jan 01 21:23:09 zsoc: get busy on freeciv :) Jan 01 21:23:26 oil: what the hell? go do it yourself :D Jan 01 21:23:39 oil: damn. now I want freeciv lol Jan 01 21:24:59 oil: looks like we can use the maemo port? want to look into it? :D Jan 01 21:25:09 no, i just want to play it Jan 01 21:25:18 ill copy in the mojo code to start it with an icon though :) Jan 01 21:25:53 nah work on scummvm :D Jan 01 21:26:42 freeciv > scummvm Jan 01 21:26:53 lies Jan 01 21:27:14 does webos have libsdl-net? Jan 01 21:27:57 sampson: http://opensource.palm.com/1.3.5/index.html Jan 01 21:28:02 zsoc: i cant get myself to stop playing Jan 01 21:28:16 nice Jan 01 21:28:35 i'll have to redo my toolchain and play with webos when i get home next week Jan 01 21:28:48 sampson: online games :) imma make one lol Jan 01 21:29:08 it should have full support for scummvm with minimal fuss :D Jan 01 21:29:10 oil: holy crap. I think I just figured out how to map a screen joystick Jan 01 21:29:19 ORLY Jan 01 21:29:27 * oil waits for update Jan 01 21:29:34 rwhitby: does it matter if i disconnect usb cable now? can i even put it in recovery mode anymore by holding vol up? Jan 01 21:29:57 this is nerve racking Jan 01 21:30:10 * Jack87-WebIRC is on level 5 Jan 01 21:30:49 zsoc: the guy that made block dropper he added gestures to the screen as well as on screen buttons Jan 01 21:31:05 LOL. the back gesture really is 'esc' !!! if you're in vi in 'insert mode', a back gesture takes you outta it Jan 01 21:31:23 if zsoc needs some simple art for the onscreen joystick Jan 01 21:31:26 * oil could whip some out Jan 01 21:31:30 Jack87-WebIRC: this is a little different :p no mojo where we're going Jan 01 21:31:54 ahhh.. :) Jan 01 21:32:00 the only mojo Jan 01 21:32:13 is the 66 line app that calls the service to launch the app Jan 01 21:32:16 god damnit i wish i had my pc right now Jan 01 21:32:38 i could give you the mappings in like seconds Jan 01 21:33:16 rwhitby: I get a lot of [: 166: Linux: unexpected operator in the build process, not sure where it's coming from Jan 01 21:33:40 destinal: what OS are you building on Jan 01 21:33:42 I get thsoe too Jan 01 21:33:54 Linux aether 2.6.31-14-generic #48-Ubuntu SMP Fri Oct 16 14:04:26 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux Jan 01 21:34:18 (ubuntu 9.10) Jan 01 21:34:56 how out of date is the debian chroot Jan 01 21:35:02 rwhitby: it doesn't seem ot have a negative effect Jan 01 21:35:09 s/ot/to/ Jan 01 21:35:11 destinal meant: rwhitby: it doesn't seem to have a negative effect Jan 01 21:35:32 sampson: I recommend an apt-get update; apt-get upgrade Jan 01 21:35:49 not sure how old exactly but enoughto need updating Jan 01 21:36:30 destinal: bash or dash as /bin/sh ? Jan 01 21:36:42 best way to restart sshd without service command? just reboot the device? and best way to get service command installed? Jan 01 21:36:50 rwhitby: dash Jan 01 21:37:07 destinal: that possibly might be it Jan 01 21:37:12 k Jan 01 21:37:46 DiscreetControl: bit of context would help thanks Jan 01 21:37:59 im using putty to ssh into my pre... but i made changes to the ssh_config file and need to restart sshd... Jan 01 21:38:15 DiscreetControl: which package did you install? Jan 01 21:38:40 rwhitby: yup repointing sh to bash fixes it Jan 01 21:38:51 erm... from preware openssh with psftp Jan 01 21:38:51 DiscreetControl: (there are at least 5 ways to run sshd on the pre) Jan 01 21:39:05 DiscreetControl: initctl stop mobi.optware.openssh Jan 01 21:39:09 DiscreetControl: initctl start mobi.optware.openssh Jan 01 21:39:13 rwhitby: ahhh... what do i do if a meta'd 1.3.5 doctor does not install successfully?? can i just run a regular 1.3.5 rom while the icon of the chip is still on the pre?? Jan 01 21:39:17 k, whats the best way to restart it.... k thanx! Jan 01 21:39:20 hm.. the rc in /var/home/root doesn't seem to do anything Jan 01 21:39:41 grndslm: probably a fuzzy patch - if it got past 80% then reboot the Pre and it should be fine Jan 01 21:40:11 oh. I'm editing the wrong file. h Jan 01 21:40:12 ha Jan 01 21:40:16 think so? i closed the window w/ error msg before i realized what i was doing Jan 01 21:40:25 guess there's no harm in trying Jan 01 21:40:33 grndslm: I haven't updated the patch from 1.3.5 early to 1.3.5 final Jan 01 21:41:00 hmm - need an icon for upstartmgr Jan 01 21:42:07 This engadget app is really nice Jan 01 21:42:14 *high five to rwhitby! 8^) Jan 01 21:42:45 rwhitby: i think the palm logo should be pulsating by now :-/ Jan 01 21:42:50 zsoc: so what's needed to make a working sdldoom for the pre? I've got cs08q1armel, the whole preware build toolchain as a matter of fact Jan 01 21:42:56 guess a regular 1.3.5 rom is the way to go then? Jan 01 21:43:11 zsoc: going to try the cross-compilation direction Jan 01 21:43:14 destinal: none of that :) Jan 01 21:43:27 destinal: pretty much just sdl dev libs Jan 01 21:43:55 zsoc: but have you cross compiled, and if so did you use codesourcery's gcc? Jan 01 21:44:41 since I noticed doom isn't in the autobuild stuff yet Jan 01 21:44:58 destinal: no I did it in gentoo Jan 01 21:45:00 I've set up bash with color prompt and colos ls using coreutils. Something weird happens when I sudo in: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/161136/ Jan 01 21:45:10 zsoc: ah, ok Jan 01 21:45:13 nice... Jan 01 21:45:22 i guess there's no real way to brick a pre then, eh? Jan 01 21:45:48 grndslm: nope Jan 01 21:46:14 grndslm: not one anyone has discovered yet... i guess cpu scalling might Jan 01 21:46:30 if done horribly wrong Jan 01 21:46:33 destinal: I want to get sdl lib stub into the toolchain area in preware/build.git Jan 01 21:46:37 hah... that's a bit different from bricking, i'd think Jan 01 21:46:44 or a different kinda bricking Jan 01 21:46:46 destinal: the sdl port is frustrating. it dectects mouse 'clicks' but 0 mouse 'motion' Jan 01 21:46:55 grndslm: well, I can think of one possible way, but nobody's done it yet that I know of, and that is corrupting the first partition on flash that has your unique device's data. I don't even know if booting over usb would fix it since the doctor may not be equipped to fix it. Jan 01 21:46:59 grndslm: ya.. it would cause actualy physical damage at that point Jan 01 21:47:42 destinal: well, let's hope that never happens :D Jan 01 21:48:03 grndslm: fortunately it's very hard to do except for deliberately, nothing you could possibly want to run would do it that I can think of Jan 01 21:48:18 destinal: I think they skipped all mouse motion in the sdl webos port and favored accelorometer only movement :( Jan 01 21:49:00 zsoc: well, you get touches on the screen for shooting, right? Jan 01 21:49:08 so there's something there? Jan 01 21:50:31 * AnOutsider continues his app download spree Jan 01 21:50:39 is it something different than a mouse? Jan 01 21:55:19 Wish that there was a way to add the temperature to the carrier string Jan 01 21:57:51 zsoc: :( the numbers in .doomrc dont seem to match the keys assigned on the keyboard acroding to differ acii charts ive been looking at Jan 01 21:59:47 Jack87-WebIRC: oh god I'm so sorry. they do they do. I compiled against a nonstandard lib. it's totally my fault Jan 01 21:59:53 zsoc: i think i got it... do i need to ignore the 1? so 174= 74 which = j? Jan 01 22:00:27 Are we looking into remapping Doom? Jan 01 22:00:28 destinal: only mouse button 0 works, for clicking. Jan 01 22:00:36 Abyssul: it'll be done tonight Jan 01 22:00:41 Awesome Jan 01 22:00:47 Kind of unplayable atm Jan 01 22:00:53 Realistically :p Jan 01 22:00:58 Jack87-WebIRC: no, everything is the same, there are just 4 keys that won't work Jan 01 22:01:01 mytether is the biggest waste of money EVER Jan 01 22:01:10 entity-, welcome to the club Jan 01 22:01:23 fuckin shit dont even work Jan 01 22:01:34 destinal: so for instance, I can't 'move' the mouse. when I touch the screen, it only clicks Jan 01 22:02:20 destinal: there are plugins in the patch for accelerometer and touchscreen and special webos_mouse... but I don't know how to access them. not familiar with makeshift undocumented sdl apis :p Jan 01 22:02:33 we need someone who writers drivers and knows sdl and C Jan 01 22:03:00 PuffTheMagic: what are you up to? :D Jan 01 22:03:21 can someone test the alpha version of myflashlight and ledmanager in the testing feed? oil? Jan 01 22:03:42 zsoc: have you tried compiling xdev on the chroot to get all the touch screen ascii codes Jan 01 22:04:00 Anyone having problems with the terminal app? I just had my Pre replaced, updated to 1.3.5, and now just about everytime I close terminal, my Pre reboots. Jan 01 22:04:40 zsoc: so do we have headers for Palm's SDL ? Jan 01 22:05:02 zsoc: that we can put in a repo, like we have for lunaservice.h ? Jan 01 22:05:16 zsoc: and then autobuild from them? Jan 01 22:05:19 AnOutsider: have you tried "what's for dinner"? excellent app. Jan 01 22:05:59 * rwhitby completes the initial packaging for myflashlight, and moves onto reading the morning's email ... Jan 01 22:07:15 sampson: wait, define 'touchscreen ascii codes' Jan 01 22:07:34 rwhitby: no we're missing kike 30 headers Jan 01 22:08:17 rwhitby: but I'm not sure if we need them. the patches are to _run_ on webos. it seems compiling against standard sdl libs work for most things Jan 01 22:08:42 zsoc: were you beaing sarcastic when you said you used none standard lib? if you were serious what did you use Jan 01 22:08:46 destinal: ok. you better still be here. I need you for this stuff Jan 01 22:08:47 there should be more than the hold i would imagine Jan 01 22:08:49 but i could be wrong Jan 01 22:08:51 zsoc: without their headers, we won't be able to use palm's extensions to SDL though Jan 01 22:08:59 oh. Jan 01 22:09:03 hm Jan 01 22:09:05 wait Jan 01 22:09:06 yes Jan 01 22:09:12 zsoc: I mean for the webos-specific stuff you mentioned Jan 01 22:09:16 yes we can, we just can't autobuild them Jan 01 22:09:31 zsoc: we can do a stub library like we do for lunaservice Jan 01 22:09:49 zsoc: yeah, a stub library, but it requires some reversing to build a header that makes a stub lib work Jan 01 22:10:01 well actually not much Jan 01 22:10:04 destinal: that's why I asked if we have headers :-) Jan 01 22:10:37 take the prototypes, return a null value of the correct type, done. Jan 01 22:11:08 shared library autobuild against it, run on the Pre. Jan 01 22:11:14 rwhitby: yeah, remember when I said I asked palm if they would start testing their source releases by building them all on a box without anything they're not releasing on it? Jan 01 22:11:19 they still haven't gotten there I guess Jan 01 22:11:21 HAHAHA Jan 01 22:11:23 nevermind Jan 01 22:11:31 i got bluetooth tethering working Jan 01 22:11:37 morning all Jan 01 22:11:43 hey freakout Jan 01 22:12:01 freakout: have you done a new article for doom launching and the upstart manager service ? Jan 01 22:12:21 here's a question for zsoc and destinal: aaron ardiri calls BS on hardware acceleration: http://www.palminfocenter.com/comments/10012/#157067 Jan 01 22:12:21 Yay, terminal induced a luna restart Jan 01 22:12:33 Abyssul: in 1.3.5, terminal is the devil Jan 01 22:12:33 rwhitby: Nope, but I will after breakfast Jan 01 22:12:36 or so it seems Jan 01 22:13:04 Hmph Jan 01 22:13:05 lots of reports of crashing Jan 01 22:13:14 How do you use "esc" in terminal on WebOS? Jan 01 22:13:25 Like to leave edit mode in Vi Jan 01 22:13:28 every now and again flicking the terminal off the top of my 1.3.5 fresh install causes lunasysmgr to crash and restart Jan 01 22:13:54 * oil preordered sto, freakout Jan 01 22:14:05 Oh orange + space Jan 01 22:14:06 * freakout high-fives oil Jan 01 22:14:16 oil: It has improved quite a bit over the last few betas Jan 01 22:14:19 Abyssul: yup, it's on the wiki article :) Jan 01 22:14:25 engine is much smoother now, bugs worked out... Jan 01 22:14:38 and in the app under useful keys IIRC Jan 01 22:14:49 freakout is going to buy it? Jan 01 22:14:53 * oil needs someone to play with Jan 01 22:14:56 lol Jan 01 22:15:04 none of my friends are nerdy enough Jan 01 22:15:06 * freakout is off to boot camp on january 19 Jan 01 22:15:30 why can't we make the headers using palm's sdl patches? Jan 01 22:15:34 phs Jan 01 22:15:43 oil: I don't think they allow online gaming there. But I'll be out in April, so you'll have a partner in crime there Jan 01 22:15:59 s/there/then/ Jan 01 22:16:00 freakout meant: oil: I don't think they allow online gaming then. But I'll be out in April, so you'll have a partner in crime there Jan 01 22:16:06 ~botsmach Jan 01 22:16:07 freakout: you can stfu the guy on the thread who complains about it not having a launcher button now :-) Jan 01 22:16:13 gah! Jan 01 22:16:27 no luck with typos. rwhitby: Yes indeed Jan 01 22:16:35 but what about ardiri? He sounds like he makes sense Jan 01 22:16:39 jacques: that's what I've been asking ... Jan 01 22:16:54 have to try this.. Jan 01 22:16:57 jacques: we're going to have to make the headers based on the observed calls to the functions defined in those headers Jan 01 22:17:00 zsoc, destinal: so how is it "hardware accelerated", exactly? Jan 01 22:17:03 s/[aoe]/X Jan 01 22:17:10 aww Jan 01 22:17:31 rwhitby: I don't know what I am missing: we have palm's patches against SDL. we have the source. Jan 01 22:17:31 rwhitby: the more I look, the more I realize many of the headers are included in the patch. I need to read all 20000 lines before I come to a conclusion Jan 01 22:17:47 but other things work like global replace Jan 01 22:17:49 s/o/0/g Jan 01 22:17:51 destinal meant: but 0ther things w0rk like gl0bal replace Jan 01 22:17:57 zsoc: if you can separate out the headers, I'll make a repo for them Jan 01 22:18:00 heh Jan 01 22:18:14 freakout: you bloggers where the ones who said it was hardware accelerated ;-) Jan 01 22:18:17 I gotta go for a while. dammit. Jan 01 22:18:40 rwhitby: lol, i know. But we're operating off a quote from zsoc (which is dangerous in itself, I know) Jan 01 22:18:56 lolol Jan 01 22:18:58 well, *multiple* quotes actually. Jan 01 22:19:17 I believe that there is hardware acceleration involved but not 3d hardware acceleration Jan 01 22:19:24 freakout: it's hardware accelorated. if he can't take 30 minutes it would take to verify that, I'm not even going to answer 1 idiot. Jan 01 22:19:24 why can't we just apply Palm's patches to stock SDL and use those headers? Jan 01 22:19:27 lol Jan 01 22:19:50 zsoc: or is there accelerated 3d rendering as well? Jan 01 22:19:55 doom isn't 3d. how would it be 3d accelorated? Jan 01 22:20:10 zsoc: ya using standard acii chart isnt soing the trick :( Jan 01 22:20:25 jacques: we don't have all the headers the patch includes Jan 01 22:20:31 zsoc: I was more wondering if palm's sdl supports 3d acceleration, but I'm assuming so given the need for speed thing Jan 01 22:20:51 destinal: yes, 3d is the open gl es implementation. Jan 01 22:21:11 destinal: I'm working on getting sdlgears working, which would prove that Jan 01 22:21:16 lol, but i bought this awesome voodoo 3d card to be able to play doom! Jan 01 22:21:31 oil: lmao Jan 01 22:21:36 94 AUPT patches updated via update all :D Jan 01 22:21:49 egaudet: win Jan 01 22:21:54 egaudet: awesome Jan 01 22:21:56 oil: Well, there *are* OpenGL ports of Doom out there... Jan 01 22:22:02 egaudet: the button works now? Jan 01 22:22:03 egaudet: awesome win. you are a wesOS hacker extraordinaire Jan 01 22:22:11 webos-internals - kicking goals on all fronts Jan 01 22:22:15 zsoc: no, that's *you* according to engadget :p Jan 01 22:22:21 I personally think it's obvious from playing 5 doom windows at once that it's accelerated :) at any rate it's much faster than the previous directfb implementation IIRC Jan 01 22:22:26 I had to manually remove known-issue ones before hand, but I think depdendencies and the install-fail part of update is all that's left Jan 01 22:22:28 freakout: the button works. doom opens from launcher Jan 01 22:22:38 zsoc: yeah, we are not worthy in the presence of the webOS hacker extraordinaire Jan 01 22:22:53 more like a webos doctor and test for a couple weeks extraordinaire :P Jan 01 22:22:57 zsoc is elite webos hacker Jan 01 22:23:06 rwhitby: when is the next palmcast? Jan 01 22:23:27 zsoc: wednesday - you should get on it audio-only like I did last week Jan 01 22:23:27 egaudet: that's ok. I made that status from typing 'make' Jan 01 22:23:41 zsoc: just get Skype set up and let Dieter know Jan 01 22:23:45 zsoc it's hard to type make Jan 01 22:23:48 lol, don't sell yourself so short :P Jan 01 22:23:51 rwhitby: no thanks. maybe a special text window lol Jan 01 22:23:52 * freakout considers pretending to be zsoc Jan 01 22:23:55 mak.... Jan 01 22:23:56 damn Jan 01 22:24:01 mke Jan 01 22:24:05 grr Jan 01 22:24:07 make is the candlejack of compiling Jan 01 22:24:08 lol Jan 01 22:24:10 freakout: do it. I'll type to you what to say Jan 01 22:24:11 "Yes Mr. Bohn. I *do* have several children shackled in my basement" Jan 01 22:24:19 your code is gone before you can get to make clea Jan 01 22:24:24 I'm glad this chat is logged Jan 01 22:24:30 lol Jan 01 22:24:51 are the children the ones who you whipped till they typed make? Jan 01 22:24:53 so there are TWO flashlight apps now? Jan 01 22:25:06 zsoc, so you'll one up stephen hawkings TTS engine by using a real human? Jan 01 22:25:07 * oil submits his flashlight app Jan 01 22:25:09 egaudet: what's the other one? Jan 01 22:25:21 freakout: sdl apps are run on a surface using a framebuffer device driver which is only available when the powervr (gpu) module is installed in the kernel. Jan 01 22:25:22 I just read Jason made one Jan 01 22:25:31 i'm going to submit a flashlight app like the doom icon was Jan 01 22:25:31 and I thought pregame has his Jan 01 22:25:40 egaudet: Jason has made one? Jan 01 22:25:41 it will just have instructions on how to use a real flashlight Jan 01 22:26:02 acydlord: LOL Jan 01 22:26:08 zsoc: Cool. That makes sense Jan 01 22:26:12 http://forums.precentral.net/canuck-software/222050-led-torch.html Jan 01 22:26:16 and then i will get it approved to the app store and sell it for 5.99 Jan 01 22:26:56 acydlord: like the mirror? :D Jan 01 22:27:01 every time i try to install preware my computer has a problem and just stops the install Jan 01 22:27:06 zsoc exactly Jan 01 22:27:33 and then i can make a precentral app that tells you to log into precentral Jan 01 22:27:41 probably make bank off the iphone converts Jan 01 22:27:44 sometimes I think rod is a Palm spy Jan 01 22:28:10 zsoc: why? Jan 01 22:28:14 100% Jan 01 22:28:15 acydlord: how about a 'homebrew instructions app'? Jan 01 22:28:18 whoops Jan 01 22:28:39 zsoc, that's actually a good idea lol Jan 01 22:28:44 rwhitby: I think palm is manipulating us into this. and you got that upstart service ready way too fast... Jan 01 22:29:02 sweetness Jan 01 22:29:04 zsoc, that would explain adora's presence in here lastnight Jan 01 22:29:18 zsoc: it's part of their elaborate plan to do all the hard work and make us do the easy stuff :) Jan 01 22:29:24 Palm is secretely using us Jan 01 22:29:34 Abyssul, not so secretly Jan 01 22:29:48 destinal: well if OUR stuff breaks then 'well that's homebrew'. Jan 01 22:29:49 Apparently not since we are aware Jan 01 22:29:52 it's not official Jan 01 22:30:05 zsoc: I mean, uh, to pull in elite webos hacker extrordinaires Jan 01 22:30:55 lol, someone just asked me if i could port a pre to t-mobile since i ported a few to verizon Jan 01 22:31:02 zsoc: as I said in the forum, I spent a solid 4 hours on that upstart service yesterday. Jan 01 22:31:11 rwhitby rocks Jan 01 22:31:12 destinal: can you help me look through the palm sdl port patches? Jan 01 22:31:18 Is it ok to install the Led torch .ipk with ipkg install command? Jan 01 22:31:24 zsoc: sure Jan 01 22:31:31 but I suspect you are correct that the release of libSDL.so in 1.3.5 is a carefully planned open source marketing exercise by Palm Jan 01 22:31:55 rwhitby: I think it just made their need for speed testing easier :) Jan 01 22:31:58 rwhitby: yes yes, well you are the wizard of webOZ that makes everything invisible work :) Jan 01 22:32:01 oh snap, i completely forgot that i still have prepr0n.com (mildly NSFW) Jan 01 22:32:04 upstart service, for apps to stop/start any service? Jan 01 22:32:19 egaudet: yep Jan 01 22:32:33 rwhitby: after all, why not stabilize the environment you're going to use to run cool video game apps on Jan 01 22:32:34 it does version, start, stop, list, so far. Jan 01 22:33:11 rwhitby: so testers can test things and still be running the standard OS Jan 01 22:33:18 nice Jan 01 22:33:19 destinal: absolutely. I really hope it is enlightened management, and not must coincidence. Jan 01 22:33:29 s/must/just/ Jan 01 22:33:29 rwhitby meant: destinal: absolutely. I really hope it is enlightened management, and not just coincidence. Jan 01 22:33:52 rwhitby: I have to give you a new build of doom with standard keysym libs so we can use doomrc to change key mapping Jan 01 22:34:24 rwhitby: I agree and hopefully nobody's getting chewed out for releasing opengl accelerated apps before CES :) Jan 01 22:34:34 s/for/for our/ Jan 01 22:34:35 destinal meant: rwhitby: I agree and hopefully nobody's getting chewed out for our releasing opengl accelerated apps before CES :) Jan 01 22:34:47 question, why was upstart chosen for something like Doom starting/stopping? Jan 01 22:35:05 egaudet: because I had a crazy idea and talked people into it. blame me :) Jan 01 22:35:07 destinal: DOOM is only interesting to nerds, it's of no consequence to CES. Jan 01 22:35:39 egaudet: it piggy-backs on the existing security infrastructure, and is generally useful for other stuff like openvpn Jan 01 22:35:51 DOOM is always the first hardware accellerated game on any embedded device Jan 01 22:35:53 yup, bank shot Jan 01 22:35:56 I don't play games that have buttons other than "B" and "A" Jan 01 22:36:07 it was first on maemo, first on iphone, first on pre Jan 01 22:36:08 my skills went down hill after NES Jan 01 22:36:34 cashen007: there's a new super mario brothers on the wii with basically two buttons again! Jan 01 22:36:41 so upstart for all binaries going forward? Jan 01 22:36:41 destinal: and a smart Palm marketing department would invite zsoc to CES, and put him on stage alongside EA Games (or whoever makes NeedForSpeed) to show that both huge corporations and individual developers can produce awesome games for the Pre Jan 01 22:36:56 I do play the wii, Jan 01 22:37:11 rwhitby: have him run through the process of porting DOOM :) Jan 01 22:37:12 It is EA Games Jan 01 22:37:33 on stage over the course a few minutes Jan 01 22:37:43 s/a /of a / Jan 01 22:37:44 destinal meant: on stage over the course of a few minutes Jan 01 22:37:45 destinal: yep, and if zsoc is not available, I know that rick_home is willing and ready to step in Jan 01 22:38:32 "show that both huge corporations and individual developers can produce awesome games for the Pre" Jan 01 22:38:43 isn't ID software a pretty big game developer? Jan 01 22:38:57 I'm waiting for Myst... thats more my kind of game Jan 01 22:39:01 oil: yeah, but this is marketing, not facts. Jan 01 22:39:06 lol Jan 01 22:39:17 oil: I think it's more that existing open source software and existing techniques work out of the box Jan 01 22:39:33 oil: so if your devs know SDL, they're off to the races Jan 01 22:39:53 destinal: the barrier to entry for awesome games is as low as it is for a hello world button Jan 01 22:40:05 "so show us how you ported doom to the pre" Jan 01 22:40:12 * zsoc types make Jan 01 22:40:15 that's the marketing message Palm should be running with Jan 01 22:40:16 "oh." Jan 01 22:40:18 zsoc: dinner Jan 01 22:40:21 zsoc: did u need something? Jan 01 22:40:32 oh and here's the tricky part, the K key is way on the right, and enter is even further Jan 01 22:40:37 PuffTheMagic: we need a library stub for libSDL with Palm extensions Jan 01 22:40:55 zsoc: :) Jan 01 22:41:00 rwhitby: isnt that on palm website? Jan 01 22:41:04 PuffTheMagic: I think as a sdl guy yourself, it would interest you to look through the sdl webos patches/port on opensource.palm.com and help me make heads and tails of a few things Jan 01 22:41:12 zsoc: im not a sdl guy Jan 01 22:41:16 zsoc: i said i've done sdl Jan 01 22:41:33 why? you didnt like the scary girl commercials... Jan 01 22:41:39 zsoc: i've done a little of LOTS of stuff... not a LOT of anything 1 thing Jan 01 22:42:01 zsoc: i can add libsdl stuff to my todo list Jan 01 22:42:04 the bottom of it Jan 01 22:42:12 and the list is quite large Jan 01 22:42:20 PuffTheMagic: ok, well you know C inside and out. :p that's why I ask Jan 01 22:47:02 +AC_HELP_STRING([--enable-haptic], [Enable the haptic (force feedback) subsystem [[default=yes]]]), Jan 01 22:47:03 neat Jan 01 22:47:37 lots of lines in this diff Jan 01 22:49:28 zsoc: hmmm, not seeing missing headers so ar, but there are some structs with missing members .. let me try something Jan 01 22:49:52 zsoc: is there another file other then .doomrc for key mapping? Jan 01 22:50:02 for input, it looks like SDL_INPUT_LINUXEV, SDL_JOYSTICK_LINUX and SDL_HAPTIC_LINUX are supported Jan 01 22:50:28 s/ ar/ far/ Jan 01 22:50:29 destinal meant: zsoc: hmmm, not seeing missing headers so far, but there are some structs with missing members .. let me try something Jan 01 22:50:44 for video, SDL_VIDEO_OPENGL_ES Jan 01 22:53:59 bpadalino: there's also some webos_touchscreen and webos_accelorameter thinguses Jan 01 22:54:13 i see some MultiMouse stuff too .. Jan 01 22:54:18 5 mice are the maximum it seems Jan 01 22:56:23 bpadalino: yeah, I made that '5 finger' comment lol Jan 01 22:56:31 ah Jan 01 22:56:35 zsoc: I'm getting things like ./src/video/fbcon/SDL_fbvideo.c:2436: error: 'struct SDL_PrivateVideoData' has no member named 'MultiLayer' Jan 01 22:56:57 but no missing headers, so it may be some other issue Jan 01 22:59:15 I wonder if their patches for certain headers somehow didn't get into this Jan 01 22:59:24 bpadalino: for doom I'd be curious to have a certain section of the touchscreen act as a 'toggle' .. mouse 0 vs mouse 1 Jan 01 22:59:35 hrmm .. interesting idea Jan 01 22:59:37 destinal: you compiled ok? that's odd Jan 01 22:59:53 zsoc: no, I didn't compile ok, I got errors related to missing members of structs Jan 01 23:00:10 destinal: I see manu references in the patches to things with no library support, namely the accelerometer and webos_mouse Jan 01 23:00:15 anyway I'm going home Jan 01 23:00:24 I'll be more specific when I look through it again Jan 01 23:00:34 I think I typed 5000 words on my pre today Jan 01 23:00:36 confirmed those members don't exist but it looks like they *should* Jan 01 23:00:37 going home... Jan 01 23:00:41 to port freeciv? Jan 01 23:00:53 oil: does freciv even support sdl? Jan 01 23:00:56 destinal: libsdl-1.2-palm/src/video/fbcon/SDL_fbvideo.h .. it's in the patch for libsdl-1.2 Jan 01 23:00:59 yes? Jan 01 23:01:12 line 13778 Jan 01 23:01:15 bpadalino: yeah, something odd is going on Jan 01 23:01:20 hrmm Jan 01 23:01:24 with the patch applying or something Jan 01 23:01:31 yeah sounds like it :( Jan 01 23:03:01 ok, extracted, applied patch, the entry is there.. running ./configure.... Jan 01 23:03:12 SDLWebOSHook looks to be the interesting part for webos Jan 01 23:04:29 +#define SDL_WEBOS_DEACTIVATED_FPS_CAP 1 .. interesting Jan 01 23:05:06 aha Jan 01 23:05:14 I think it was there but ifdef'd Jan 01 23:05:21 ah Jan 01 23:05:32 did you make sure to define PALM ? Jan 01 23:05:34 so I just need -DPALM Jan 01 23:05:39 ah nice Jan 01 23:05:55 getting further now ? Jan 01 23:06:36 bpadalino: starting make again, we'll see Jan 01 23:07:10 I'm a lot happier if it doesn't *quite* build out of the box as opposed to missing things like before, maybe they are getting a lot better Jan 01 23:07:55 if it compiles, am I an elite webos hacker too? ;) Jan 01 23:08:03 indeed Jan 01 23:08:11 i'll email engadget with your successes Jan 01 23:08:20 zsoc: i dont know C inside and out... people that know C would cringe if they saw my code Jan 01 23:08:25 "First, the letter 'm' was struck on the keyboard.." Jan 01 23:08:34 PuffTheMagic knows _java_ inside and out Jan 01 23:10:21 destinal@aether:~/libsdl-1.2$ ls -al `find . -name *.so.*` Jan 01 23:10:21 lrwxrwxrwx 1 destinal destinal 20 2010-01-01 16:08 ./build/.libs/libSDL-1.2.so.0 -> libSDL-1.2.so.0.11.2 Jan 01 23:10:21 -rwxr-xr-x 1 destinal destinal 971559 2010-01-01 16:08 ./build/.libs/libSDL-1.2.so.0.11.2 Jan 01 23:10:26 yay Jan 01 23:10:57 just got in here, what have you guys accomplished today? :) Jan 01 23:11:14 destinal: ok, let's get that in the autobuilder Jan 01 23:11:23 SDL_WebOSTslib.c - neat Jan 01 23:11:25 rwhitby (or anyone): so i'll write a post on doom launching. quick primer on upstart? Jan 01 23:11:38 Ts = touchscreen Jan 01 23:11:50 all about the number of events and whatnot Jan 01 23:12:17 freakout: Ubuntu startup manager, used in recent Linux distros, will be used for webOS apps to be able to start and stop Linux command line utilities Jan 01 23:12:37 freakout: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ Jan 01 23:12:41 rwhitby: I'm not sure i know how to crosscompile something that built its makefiles with ./configure Jan 01 23:12:47 rwhitby: like the commands used to launch doom, for instance? Jan 01 23:12:50 or rather, the best way to Jan 01 23:12:52 freakout: yep Jan 01 23:13:13 destinal: optware can do that Jan 01 23:13:30 we re-run ./configure with cross compilation args Jan 01 23:13:35 rwhitby: aha Jan 01 23:13:40 rwhitby: I have much to learn, sensei Jan 01 23:13:53 destinal: eno and jacques are the cross-compilation masters Jan 01 23:14:28 destinal: can you do a patch against standard libSDL 1.2 (which is already in optware) ? Jan 01 23:15:49 hey I need some help with the preware. Can someone give me a hand? Jan 01 23:15:54 freakout: will also allow us to have dependencies in upstart scripts, e.g. to make openvpn run automatically when then openvpn gui program initiates a connection, saving memory by not needing to have all the services running all the time Jan 01 23:15:55 rwhitby: Palm's patch is that (though I'm not sure what minor version), all that's needed besides palm's patch is to add -DPALM to the top level Makefile Jan 01 23:16:13 in EXTRA_CFLAGS Jan 01 23:16:44 destinal: ok, I can do that tonight (10 hours from now) in optware and get it into the autobuilder, then we can go to town with SDL apps. Jan 01 23:16:51 rwhitby: awesome Jan 01 23:17:26 destinal: did you get anywhere with the upstartmgr code cleanup? Jan 01 23:17:36 then someone just has to webos-ify them Jan 01 23:17:54 i forsee pengu-pop in the near future lol Jan 01 23:18:26 there's lots of interesting haptic feedback responses in that sdl patch from palm Jan 01 23:18:55 bpadalino: mmm? Jan 01 23:19:25 freakout: sine, sawtooth, ramp, damper, inertia .. different feedback mechanisms for the SDL stuff .. Jan 01 23:19:59 bpadalino: Fascinating /spock Jan 01 23:20:23 it looks like they took the force feedback stuff as described here maybe: http://lists.libsdl.org/pipermail/sdl-libsdl.org/2008-July/065738.html Jan 01 23:22:17 I kinda need a hand here, I have two palm pre, one for me and one for my girlfriend. Now my GF updated the package manager on her pre and now she cant start the preware. it says "package manager is not working, did you remember to installit? blah blah blah". I uninstalled it and reinstalled it like a billion of times, also used the emergency patch remover and isntalled old versions of preware and package manager, I've s Jan 01 23:22:22 any help plz? Jan 01 23:22:52 b Jan 01 23:23:45 zeferuno: did you update to 1.3.5 recently? Jan 01 23:24:15 nop, still running 3.01 Jan 01 23:24:55 * rwhitby bbl Jan 01 23:25:05 1.3.1 ... Jan 01 23:25:45 you have 3.01 already... :O Jan 01 23:26:04 *smalljoke* Jan 01 23:26:04 Decimate: he's from the future Jan 01 23:26:25 zeferuno: did you reboot as well? Jan 01 23:26:39 destinal: or maybe the future is the past, and we have really all lived through 3.01 already. Jan 01 23:27:05 yup, after uninstalling, after installing, before running ... Jan 01 23:27:11 yeah, don't get excited about it. I never liked 3.01 the first time around Jan 01 23:27:29 in one version, called 3.0.1 by some, a version yet to come, a version long past... Jan 01 23:27:59 yeah, all it did was give us video recording, full native sdk access, full gpu use with 1000's of 3d games...but the calender was still sluggish so everyone hated it! Jan 01 23:28:13 i cant figure out how he mapped the keys Jan 01 23:28:53 Jack87-WebIRC: was it done in the code and compiled in? I'm not sure it's configurable by user Jan 01 23:28:59 i been able to mod them some what now.. but in the menu h&J are still up and down where in the game i have customized it Jan 01 23:31:05 rwhitby: what's the benefit in making "First Use" visible?? Jan 01 23:31:11 destinal: inside /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.sdldoom/bin there is a .doomrc file that has the key map in ascii Jan 01 23:31:15 wow, they do triple buffering for their video display Jan 01 23:31:21 grndslm: so you can run it Jan 01 23:31:23 but they dont match any standard ascii chart Jan 01 23:31:45 rwhitby: but earlier versions of meta-doc had it visible until it was run once, right? Jan 01 23:31:50 Jack87-WebIRC: if you haven't run it automatically on first boot, running it later after you set up your network access and such can be handy Jan 01 23:32:22 grndslm: yep, it wasn't optional then, now it is Jan 01 23:32:27 any ideas what should I do now? is there any log of usage on the memory that is telling the preware that the package is already installed or something? coz I've seen that if you run preware for the first time it comes with a splash screen but If you uninstall it and reinstall it, it doesn't shows up. So, i'm thinking that there is a log of the package manager that is not uninstalling with the preware/pm Jan 01 23:32:37 oh god a keyboard Jan 01 23:32:42 a real keybaord Jan 01 23:32:44 feels so good Jan 01 23:32:46 destinal: i have managed to change the keys in the game play but i cant get all of them to change. and then in the menu the up and down keys still remain h.g Jan 01 23:32:56 zsoc: how many hours have you been on the pre? Jan 01 23:33:10 destinal: pretty much any time you saw me talk in the last 2 days Jan 01 23:33:20 zsoc: I got it to compile Jan 01 23:33:28 destinal: nice. so then we have everything? Jan 01 23:33:32 yeah Jan 01 23:33:34 rwhitby: so setting that to 0 or commenting it out will still let you click it once? ... and then never show it again? Jan 01 23:33:44 or won't even let you click it once? Jan 01 23:33:50 Jack87-WebIRC: you won't be able to until i give you a good version, you have one build against a hacked SDL_keysym Jan 01 23:33:58 Jack87-WebIRC: it's not the doomrc that's bad, it's the doom binary Jan 01 23:34:04 zsoc: rwhitby is going to set it up in optware since I'm still an optware package creation noob :) Jan 01 23:34:28 destinal: cool :) Jan 01 23:34:34 zsoc: haha oh! ok this is good to know. i can stop now :) driving me f*cking nuts Jan 01 23:34:53 also, rwhitby: your gsm pre pulls in sprint updates? that seems so crazy Jan 01 23:35:14 Jack87-WebIRC: setup a doomrc like you think it _should_ be, and i'll send you an updated doom binary Jan 01 23:35:35 zsoc: roger that :) Jan 01 23:36:04 Jack87-WebIRC: and if yours is really good, we should include it in package Jan 01 23:36:12 oh, there is a testgl executable that gets made with libsdl .. Jan 01 23:36:15 interesting Jan 01 23:36:16 grndslm: my gsm pre access the us app catalog, not sprint firmware updates Jan 01 23:36:27 testjoystick.c as well Jan 01 23:36:28 grndslm: my sprint cdma pre runs 1.3.5 Jan 01 23:36:54 rwhitby: so you're dependent on a doctor to be released before you can upgrade then? Jan 01 23:37:08 bpadalino: where is a binary that could run that? did we check /usr/bin? Jan 01 23:37:15 guess so Jan 01 23:37:19 grndslm: no, but there is no gsm update available yet. my sprint cdma pre updated OTA fine Jan 01 23:37:21 zsoc: i don't think it was distributed with the pre .. Jan 01 23:37:26 but i see it in the libsdl patch Jan 01 23:37:31 they definitely modified it to run Jan 01 23:38:10 grndslm: gsm pre will update when gsm updates are available Jan 01 23:38:12 rwhitby: wait, aren't you using a sprint rom on your gsm pre? Jan 01 23:38:16 hm Jan 01 23:38:16 zsoc: all lower case letters right? Jan 01 23:38:19 grndslm: no Jan 01 23:38:22 oh Jan 01 23:38:23 Jack87-WebIRC: yes Jan 01 23:38:24 would that work? Jan 01 23:38:35 grndslm: he has 2 devices Jan 01 23:38:38 testmouse.c as well Jan 01 23:38:40 probably, but my gsm pre stays stock Jan 01 23:38:53 you have a qwertz? Jan 01 23:38:59 zsoc: with two broken ones in the post on the way Jan 01 23:39:04 zsoc: right, but i still thought he had sprint rom on the gsm one also Jan 01 23:39:06 grndslm: yep, remapped with meta-doctor Jan 01 23:39:09 So, guys, is there any reason we can't display a keybindings chart in doom BEFORE we call the upstart service? Jan 01 23:39:13 ahh Jan 01 23:39:25 and a credits list. Jan 01 23:39:27 rick_home: none at all - just needs webOS work Jan 01 23:39:32 and a button to call the upstart? Jan 01 23:39:42 rick_home: you wanna write it? Jan 01 23:39:47 simple enough Jan 01 23:39:52 rick_home: there's no reason, besides the fact that it's cool for it to launch into doom ;) Jan 01 23:39:52 hehe .. Jan 01 23:39:54 + // NOTE: Not sure what the key does. Jan 01 23:39:55 + // Probably need to change the following code. Jan 01 23:40:01 amusing Jan 01 23:40:04 heh Jan 01 23:40:04 sym shoots Jan 01 23:40:13 rick_home: i was just typing it lol Jan 01 23:40:32 I should email that to palm... Jan 01 23:41:00 "So i see that you guys were unsure about how the key works with sdl according to line so-and-so in the patch. Well I found out it shoots. Jan 01 23:41:01 " Jan 01 23:41:19 heheh Jan 01 23:41:22 anyone else having a problem displaying the calendar.. I can see that there are events in month view.. but if I click the day it doesent show anything in the day view... im using google... Jan 01 23:41:25 Well, I have officially proved DOOM doesn't work on 1.3.1. There, I contributed! Jan 01 23:41:33 (after the 1.3.5 update) Jan 01 23:41:39 freakout: i could have told you that Jan 01 23:41:46 freakout, we knew that. Jan 01 23:41:51 lol Jan 01 23:41:55 joking, fellas Jan 01 23:41:57 freakout: go practice being me Jan 01 23:42:02 what time is it there? maybe you need some sleep Jan 01 23:43:24 i gave zsoc the tinitest bit of knowledge about sdl, that was my contribution Jan 01 23:43:44 I gave zsoc a back rub Jan 01 23:43:49 acydlord: yeah i recall us talking about something, i'll check the logs :D Jan 01 23:44:39 just talked about compiling for archetecture using standard sdl libs and pointed you to #maemo :p Jan 01 23:45:52 I'm just the packaging monkey. Jan 01 23:45:57 i'm gonna go play some fallout3, laters Jan 01 23:46:05 acydlord: i ignored the maemo part, but i definitely grabbed the libs lol Jan 01 23:46:22 although freeciv ported to maemo looks good, but oil won't look into it :P Jan 01 23:46:56 i played freeciv on maemo, it was decent Jan 01 23:47:06 acydlord: decent, as in worth it to port? Jan 01 23:47:16 if you're a freeciv fan yes Jan 01 23:47:56 Jack87-WebIRC: can you confirm the ascii codes that aren't working are 98, 103, 104, and 121? Jan 01 23:48:06 i'm not a big fan of the game, but it played just like the pc version Jan 01 23:48:14 what's the easiest way ( in C ) to check that a string only has [a-zA-Z0-9.] in it? Jan 01 23:48:32 (without bringing in regexp library bloat) Jan 01 23:49:02 oh, without regexp Jan 01 23:49:07 yeah Jan 01 23:49:11 no idea Jan 01 23:50:44 ah, strspn will do Jan 01 23:51:19 So, here's another question: when will you add multiplayer support to DOOM so you can play against other Pre owners? :) Jan 01 23:51:36 you'd just need to emulate IPX over Wi-Fi or BT. how hard could it be? Jan 01 23:52:01 freakout: the day after Sprint allows tethering Jan 01 23:52:21 lol Jan 01 23:52:40 destinal: starting at line 5202 of the patch is the library for the touch screen controls Jan 01 23:52:54 destinal: now we just need a sdl dev so i don't have to figure out how it works lol Jan 01 23:53:04 ;] Jan 01 23:53:22 zsoc: yes i believe those were the codes i could not get working Jan 01 23:53:31 freakout: sdl-net is included, so online should work pretty much out of the box with anything that supports sdl-net Jan 01 23:54:12 isprint() and a for loop may be good for checking printability of the string Jan 01 23:54:24 zsoc: i didnt use 103 but 98 and 104 i could not get to work Jan 01 23:54:46 Jack87-WebIRC: k i'm fixing it now, 1 sec Jan 01 23:54:49 though not sure if that's c or c++ Jan 01 23:54:59 use a c++ wrapper ;) Jan 01 23:55:07 zsoc: i have not tested 121.. but i want it to be the use key. do you have email addy for me to send my keymap to Jan 01 23:55:26 Jack87-WebIRC: no, i'm going to send you the updated binary and you're going to test it Jan 01 23:55:48 zsoc: oh great! Jan 01 23:56:06 Houston, we have a problem Jan 01 23:56:23 zsoc, bpadalino: http://webos.pastebin.com/d4220bc31 Jan 01 23:56:25 egaudet: uh oh Jan 01 23:56:52 soooo the patch system has a uhh major flaw in the backing up of files Jan 01 23:57:14 rwhitby: since i am a webos hacker extraordinaire, i say the code looks good. Jan 01 23:57:22 egaudet: excellent - a good reason for people to upgrade to aupt Jan 01 23:57:37 rwhitby, not solvable with aupt Jan 01 23:57:43 (yet) Jan 01 23:57:47 so here's the issue... Jan 01 23:58:13 oh, so you want , ? / \ ' stripped out of there too, huh ? Jan 01 23:58:42 bpadalino: it's a package id Jan 01 23:58:55 diffstat -l is used to parse the patch for a list of files touched, this is used to know what files to back up (and check md5sums etc...). Apparently if the file being patched has lines beginning with tab, diffstat -l doesn't output that file, thus no backup created Jan 01 23:59:01 if the string has that .. i think len just = a number less than the length of the actual string .. Jan 01 23:59:10 right ? Jan 01 23:59:55 so for instance diffstat -l on the hide sprinttv app patch returns nothing Jan 02 00:00:18 bpadalino: actually, I will change that to just give an error if len != strlen(id->child->text) Jan 02 00:01:03 probably a good idea Jan 02 00:01:22 Jack87-WebIRC: http://omploader.org/vMzR2ag/doom <-- replace the binary in ../org.webosinternals.sdldoom/ with that Jan 02 00:01:50 rwhitby, is lsdiff in optware? Jan 02 00:02:05 egaudet: dunno Jan 02 00:03:45 zsoc: it kind of worked Jan 02 00:04:00 zsoc: keys worked during game play but not menu controls Jan 02 00:04:09 Jack87-WebIRC: thats normal Jan 02 00:04:13 well if we could get lsdiff arm binary for pre packaged up, I'll change AUPT to use lsdiff rather than diffstat Jan 02 00:04:19 Jack87-WebIRC: my other version cross-mapped the up/down/left/right keys Jan 02 00:04:28 zsoc: difference now is the old menu contol keys dont work either Jan 02 00:04:31 and lsdiff works where diffstat failed Jan 02 00:04:33 egaudet: ok, remind me tomorrow for that one Jan 02 00:04:40 k Jan 02 00:05:03 Jack87-WebIRC: now they are no longer cross-mapped, it's expected. you just have to _also_ map the normal arrow keys... somehow Jan 02 00:05:30 zsoc: where do i map that? Jan 02 00:06:49 zsoc: before when i mapped the keys the menu keys stayed the original you had made where the game play changed to custom (except for those few keys which are fixed now) Jan 02 00:07:41 hm.. 1 sec Jan 02 00:07:56 hey guys, there's code in the sdl patch to support a virtual terminal, ie sdlterm Jan 02 00:08:18 Jack87-WebIRC: that's because before those keys were static, it was bad programming on my part Jan 02 00:09:05 bpadalino: http://webos.pastebin.com/d368dcc74 Jan 02 00:09:13 zsoc: oh so do we need to define the menu keys in the doomrc file or a file like it? Jan 02 00:10:35 not the most efficient, but i think that works.. how often will this method be called ? Jan 02 00:10:39 Jack87-WebIRC: er.. it sort of assumes you're going to use up,down,left,right for game play as well.. maybe we could map... er... them twice Jan 02 00:11:03 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/222066-porting-sdl-tuxracer.html Jan 02 00:11:15 rwhitby: i get worried you'll get more of an n^2 running time for the comparisons .. versus just checking ascii code ranges and your own for loop :( Jan 02 00:11:41 zsoc: ya that would make sense... do you have to change the binary again to reffer to the doomrc file? Jan 02 00:11:48 Jack87-WebIRC: try mapping up and down twice, and the second time use 173 for up and 175 for down Jan 02 00:12:03 zsoc: ok Jan 02 00:12:54 bpadalino: start and stop doesn Jan 02 00:12:59 Decimate: leathal regulars this channel now, we know he wants tux racer :) Jan 02 00:13:04 't happen often - we can optimize later Jan 02 00:13:16 okie dokie Jan 02 00:13:38 then i think that should work pretty well Jan 02 00:14:29 zsoc: no luck but i discovered something.... Jan 02 00:14:59 zsoc: so when i press the letter of the menu item starts with changes to that item so that can work Jan 02 00:15:24 zsoc: just cant choose save and load slots only use one Jan 02 00:15:36 Jack87-WebIRC: yeah i know that works. i'm sure it would annoy people tho lol Jan 02 00:15:37 bpadalino: upstartmgr 0.0.5 pushed to autobuilder with that code Jan 02 00:15:46 neat Jan 02 00:16:13 bpadalino: had to do it quick before some lunaware.com idiot copied the old version Jan 02 00:16:29 ahh, I forgot that 1.3.5 was going to install when I charged. I had a theme installed as well as something like 20 patches. what should I do. Jan 02 00:16:33 lunaware.com ? Jan 02 00:16:45 i had never heard of them Jan 02 00:16:57 bpadalino: they distribute a tarball with the very old cmdline service in it Jan 02 00:17:07 oh awesome!! Jan 02 00:17:27 :\ Jan 02 00:17:30 zsoc: http://webos.pastebin.com/m704b880d Jan 02 00:18:04 ok, can anyone in here test ledmanager and myflashlight from the testing feed please? Jan 02 00:18:07 Jack87-WebIRC: so doubling it like that doesn't fix the menu? Jan 02 00:18:16 rwhitby: i sec Jan 02 00:18:22 nope :( Jan 02 00:19:29 rwhitby: what is testing feed url again? Jan 02 00:19:46 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing Jan 02 00:20:38 rwhitby: new feed option doesnt work in preware? Jan 02 00:22:02 Jack87-WebIRC: nope Jan 02 00:22:20 Jack87-WebIRC: not until signing support is complete Jan 02 00:22:28 thats fine. Jan 02 00:22:38 dBsooner, ping Jan 02 00:22:40 Jack87-WebIRC: try changing that second "key_down" to "key_downarrow" Jan 02 00:23:05 zsoc: roger that Jan 02 00:23:31 Jack87-WebIRC: er, and the same with up Jan 02 00:23:51 zsoc: done ill test Jan 02 00:24:42 rwhitby: .0.0.3 man? Jan 02 00:24:53 Jack87-WebIRC: yep Jan 02 00:26:10 rwhitby: works Jan 02 00:26:15 rwhitby, could you do if string[strspn]='\0' rather than = strlen ? Jan 02 00:26:22 * rwhitby now has to hunt down every possible way that the obsolete flashlight was installed, and write code to forcible terminate it with extreme prejudice Jan 02 00:26:40 egaudet: I just test and error now Jan 02 00:26:58 zsoc: what's this about terminal? Jan 02 00:26:59 rwhitby: works Jan 02 00:27:01 zsoc: still noda with downarrow/uparrow Jan 02 00:27:15 http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/10014/webos-doom-paving-way-for-future-sdl-ports/ Jan 02 00:27:51 is this the right place to discuss keyboard mappings for the new Doom port? Jan 02 00:27:59 freakout: you missed the signed scripts bit Jan 02 00:28:08 rwhitby: it doesnt work anymore lol i tapped it on anf off fast a lot Jan 02 00:28:24 freakout: that article reads as if we're adding a security vulnerability. we do not. Jan 02 00:28:36 Doom is hoot Jan 02 00:28:38 hot11 Jan 02 00:28:47 rwhitby: but I know that's your intent all along - to punch security holes in webOS so you can take over the world Jan 02 00:28:49 damn my kb has something jammed Jan 02 00:28:50 lol Jan 02 00:28:54 * freakout is fixing now Jan 02 00:28:58 freakout: thx Jan 02 00:29:42 H forward, Y left, B right, tap screen to shoot Jan 02 00:29:52 G super moving forward\running Jan 02 00:29:52 hehe Jan 02 00:29:57 Jack87-WebIRC: yeah i can't separate arrow keys from mappings (at least not without recoding things unecessarily).. it's all called from the same lib , just tell me your final key bindings and i'll hardcode them into the sdl lib i'm compiling against Jan 02 00:30:05 Jack87-WebIRC: although rod is going to hate that because then he can't recompile it Jan 02 00:30:14 Davide-NYC, thats basically it i guess Jan 02 00:30:36 rwhitby: soooo.... a sprint rom *will* work on a gsm pre, no? Jan 02 00:30:46 . strafe right Jan 02 00:30:49 rwhitby: perhaps you could tell me if the beginning of this is totally factual... http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-tips-information-resources/221385-cross-platform-meta-doctor-guide-bypass-carrier-activation-etc.html Jan 02 00:30:53 zsoc: j for up and b for down Jan 02 00:31:38 grndslm: it probably will. but I don't do things like that on my production phone Jan 02 00:31:40 looky there, a retweet! Jan 02 00:31:43 freakout: we're allowing webos apps to start up predefined services only, which have to have already been installed by privileged users Jan 02 00:31:53 destinal: already updated :-) Jan 02 00:31:55 destinal: yup, just appened that to the article Jan 02 00:31:57 ah, ok Jan 02 00:32:01 they keys i have now are good if strafing is available but if there is no strafe then id change it. Jan 02 00:32:05 lol. You guys. Jan 02 00:32:10 Jack87-WebIRC: Are any of these key bindings up for discussion? (sorry if I'm clueless, I just got here) Jan 02 00:32:18 it has strafe Jan 02 00:32:27 only right works at the moment Jan 02 00:32:29 Jack87-WebIRC: doesn't strafing work? Jan 02 00:32:30 using . or , Jan 02 00:32:33 but if you can hard code the menu keys i guess it really doesnt matter what you pick Jan 02 00:32:42 no strafe left button Jan 02 00:32:50 zsoc: only right strafing... left makes you go right in turbo mode its weird Jan 02 00:33:02 Jack87-WebIRC: yeah, didn't that fix with the new binary? Jan 02 00:33:18 thanks zsoc for kickass program Jan 02 00:33:22 no.. i will try again Jan 02 00:33:23 works a charm very smooth Jan 02 00:33:33 Jack87-WebIRC: double check that please before i try to figure out why :P Jan 02 00:33:38 nope left still goes right in turbo Jan 02 00:33:43 hmmm. Jan 02 00:33:45 rwhitby, you have at least 60 dedicated Twitter followers Jan 02 00:33:50 rwhitby: you ever think we should have held doom off for a day until we had the launcher going? a lot of people have this initial impression of starting it up being arcane, and now, well, it's not Jan 02 00:33:58 'cause that's what the pageview count just spiked by Jan 02 00:34:00 but it's not likely precentral will do another front page just for that Jan 02 00:34:29 destinal: precentral don't love you enough Jan 02 00:34:33 zsoc: what is key_strafe 184 Jan 02 00:34:45 destinal: you should sign an agreement to exclusively talk to Palm Infocenter :p Jan 02 00:34:50 freakout: lmao Jan 02 00:35:08 Davide-NYC: right now we are just trying to figure out how to make all keys work properly Jan 02 00:35:10 Jack87-WebIRC: holding key_strafe makes key_left and key_right change to key_strafeleft and key_straferight Jan 02 00:35:19 destinal: if we'd known it would only take another day, and someone else wouldn't beat us to the SDL punch, perhaps. Jan 02 00:35:53 destinal: in my mind, the SDL technology is the story, not DOOM. Jan 02 00:36:12 rwhitby: true, is just the POC Jan 02 00:36:41 rwhitby: and an invitiation for everyone to come make games and port apps with us :) Jan 02 00:36:46 since it's obvious proof Jan 02 00:36:48 zsoc: ok so nothing to worry about there? hum is it something in the binary that is making key_strafeleft go strageright turbo (also back goes forward in turbo which you already know) Jan 02 00:37:07 rwhitby: exactly Jan 02 00:37:16 Jack87-WebIRC: try setting key_speed to something arbitrary Jan 02 00:37:18 showcasing the webos-specific features that Palm added would be interesting .. Jan 02 00:37:32 wirc on the pre is sweet! Jan 02 00:37:35 zsoc: i have it set to i Jan 02 00:37:44 bpadalino: agreed. we need force feedback and the rest Jan 02 00:37:46 bpadalino: yeah, the next game with accel and five finger touch control will be awesome ;-) Jan 02 00:37:49 zsoc: does nothing Jan 02 00:37:55 and the haptic feedback as well Jan 02 00:38:05 Jack87-WebIRC: yes, agreed, zsoc does nothing Jan 02 00:38:09 So as bpadalino noted the webOS SDL has force feedback in there somewhere Jan 02 00:38:10 zsoc: unless i hold i... if i hold i it goes fsat kinda like keystrafe Jan 02 00:38:19 lol Jan 02 00:38:21 what else? accelerometer is in there, ya? Jan 02 00:38:25 indeed Jan 02 00:38:46 And that multi-mouse thing you were talking about earlier - that means multitouch gaming w/ five fingers? Jan 02 00:39:10 I repeat these questions just so I have it all straight in my head Jan 02 00:39:21 because in all likelihood i'll post something else on all that a bit later Jan 02 00:39:58 zsoc: hold on a second... i think i was editing the wrong doomrc file Jan 02 00:40:08 freakout: it seems that way, yes .. Jan 02 00:40:20 Jack87-WebIRC: ah yes, i was doing that earlier lol Jan 02 00:40:26 as the trackpad can track individual points .. it gives full sensing of up to 5 "mice" Jan 02 00:40:55 freakout: +// printf( "Tap %d finger%s on the yellow square\n\n", count, (count > 1 ? "s" : "")); Jan 02 00:41:30 is there a channel for wirc development? Jan 02 00:41:40 syn9: try #wirc Jan 02 00:41:41 #wirc Jan 02 00:41:46 thx Jan 02 00:42:08 zsoc: what keys are 173 and 175? Jan 02 00:42:16 Jack87-WebIRC: up and down Jan 02 00:42:16 h,g? Jan 02 00:42:18 * freakout tries to envision five fingers on the pixi screen Jan 02 00:42:19 ouch Jan 02 00:42:35 the pre can handle 10 or 11 .. kind of intense Jan 02 00:42:36 zsoc: what keys on the actual keyboard (letter) Jan 02 00:42:36 zsoc doesn't do nothing Jan 02 00:42:45 he's pretty good at typing "make" Jan 02 00:42:52 lol Jan 02 00:42:58 :) Jan 02 00:43:22 Sym+2 is excluded because it is the reboot command? Jan 02 00:43:33 Jack87-WebIRC: the up key and the down key, y'know, arrows Jan 02 00:44:43 zsoc: lol i know but 173= what letter on the pre keyboard and 175- what letter... is it h, and g like you had it before? Jan 02 00:45:06 either way none of the bottons navigate up and down on the menu (fixed the right doomrc file this time) Jan 02 00:45:07 zsoc: // turn off the mouse cursor. The cursor is supposed to start of "on". But we won't count on that. Hence the check before toggling. Jan 02 00:45:17 Damn you, O2... DAMN YOU! Jan 02 00:45:21 Also, hi :) Jan 02 00:45:31 lingfish: you could have SDL if you really wanted it Jan 02 00:45:34 lingfish: I've told you Jan 02 00:47:21 SDL? As in doctor? Jan 02 00:47:25 is the a way to use the alt key in the terminal app on the Pre. Jan 02 00:47:44 I what to switch the irris sessions I have running Jan 02 00:47:47 lingfish: you could get 1.3.5 by grabbing a 135 doctor, removing the compatibility error, and flashing Jan 02 00:48:01 destinal: but won't that only have CMDA code in it? Jan 02 00:48:04 not sure how, but get hacking on it Jan 02 00:48:19 lingfish: no, we've proven CDMA and GSM images are interchangable in the past Jan 02 00:48:26 destinal: wha? Jan 02 00:48:29 hmm. Jan 02 00:48:41 I've run the GSM world ready on my sprint CDMA device Jan 02 00:49:44 webos is automatically a lot more multi-hardware-support than most people realize Jan 02 00:50:14 they've done a good job abstracting the hardware to be very nimble Jan 02 00:50:17 destinal: the key is that if I do that, I don't have anything to whinge about ;) Jan 02 00:50:24 lingfish: lol Jan 02 00:50:25 true Jan 02 00:50:39 zsoc: You should hard code the menu keys... and that there is the game play keymap http://webos.pastebin.com/m2c086dac Jan 02 00:50:42 + // Palm's implementation of GL is only partial and it goes through GL-ES Jan 02 00:51:37 destinal: thats accurate Jan 02 00:51:40 Jack87-WebIRC: kk Jan 02 00:51:52 zsoc: it's a comment from the patch so I would definitely hope so :) Jan 02 00:52:05 Jack87-WebIRC: well i can't just hardcode the menu keys, but i can hard code the gameplay keys to the arrow keys Jan 02 00:52:25 destinal: still doesn't change the fact that carriers controlling an OS release is plain and utter stupidity. Jan 02 00:52:28 Anyhow. Jan 02 00:52:43 looks like ARM NEON assembly stuff is in the mixing call .. Jan 02 00:53:04 lingfish: right, which is why we'll get doctor fixed up eventually to remove the compatibility error screen and we can go back to flashing whatever image we like as in 1.2.x and earlier Jan 02 00:53:11 zsoc: shit dont use that link let me make an update Jan 02 00:53:16 yeah. Jan 02 00:53:20 Jack87-WebIRC: lol ok Jan 02 00:53:53 we should even be able to "rebrand" doctor images for the paranoid Jan 02 00:54:16 ie let's diff the 135 final from O2 and others when it comes out, and figure out how to patch between them Jan 02 00:54:33 so if you want to lose amazon and sprintnav, etc, you can Jan 02 00:54:36 zsoc: http://pastebin.com/m55ca4b87 Jan 02 00:55:04 there that should do it... :) i can try and make a visual map for people Jan 02 00:55:30 Jack87-WebIRC: i dont want to do anything till i can fix strafing Jan 02 00:55:48 ok cool perfect.. hehe Jan 02 00:55:58 Some Latitude in Google Maps would be just digger dandy too. Jan 02 00:56:03 untill then i am heading out... i will be back later tonight Jan 02 00:56:09 kk Jan 02 00:56:45 akop87@gmail.com you can email me when you have stuff ready to be tested Jan 02 00:57:20 bye peeps Jan 02 00:58:33 zsoc, bpadalino: it looks like the joystick support is just for haptic Jan 02 00:59:00 destinal: but it still has some sort of mouse control, i just can't figure out how to use it Jan 02 00:59:37 zsoc: well it hides the mouse pointer but nothing says the mouse doesn't still exist Jan 02 00:59:55 that I have seen yet, anyway Jan 02 01:00:11 there's a bunch of multimouse calls that keep track of stuff .. Jan 02 01:00:12 destinal: mousedev = SDL_getenv("TSLIB_TSDEVICE"); ..... which means .. er.. it uses TSLIB_TSDEVICE as mousedev, instead of /dev/* like usual Jan 02 01:00:36 destinal: so the _standard_ mouse stuff is automatically hooked into touchscreen lib/device Jan 02 01:01:11 so we need a test app Jan 02 01:01:29 to report any/all input events etc Jan 02 01:01:30 destinal: there are test apps created at the bottom .. Jan 02 01:01:37 so the patch addresses them Jan 02 01:01:51 testmouse.c ? Jan 02 01:02:00 ah, I see Jan 02 01:02:19 you could try to build it and see what that has to say Jan 02 01:02:35 have to run to the store, will play more when return Jan 02 01:02:53 enjoy Jan 02 01:03:16 did you guys see, engadget voted the palm pre best new smartphone : Jan 02 01:03:17 ) Jan 02 01:03:30 didn't see that .. link ? Jan 02 01:03:52 http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/01/switched-on-the-2009-switchies/ Jan 02 01:04:08 well, not engadget Jan 02 01:04:11 but they posted of it Jan 02 01:04:41 but in many ways webOS feels like what the iPhone OS wants to be when it grows up. Jan 02 01:04:54 i read that, and smiled :) Jan 02 01:05:12 im happy engadget made a webOS engadget app, its very nicwe. Jan 02 01:05:13 nice* Jan 02 01:05:46 think they just released one for the iphone a couple days ago Jan 02 01:05:55 yeah Jan 02 01:06:32 anybody here actually used Ares? Jan 02 01:07:14 oh shit!!! Jan 02 01:07:16 it works today Jan 02 01:09:55 ugh to VMware Server and 95% Jan 02 01:10:38 Anyone else had that issue? Stuck at 95% upon poweron of a VM? Jan 02 01:10:53 crap, everytime i go to test something in doom i start playing it again Jan 02 01:19:47 zsoc: is that plan to eventually have 'mappable' keys or will they be hardcoded? Jan 02 01:20:36 Davide-NYC: er, never had a plan. i started developing sdl stuff to prove it worked. and once i did i figured i'd try something a little more 'complete'. and doom worked. and i hacked the keys so you could play it Jan 02 01:20:39 and then it got packaged Jan 02 01:20:41 and here i am Jan 02 01:20:43 so, no plans. Jan 02 01:21:28 lol, I'd like the opporunity to suggest a fundamental change to the current keymap. Jan 02 01:22:15 left right should be controlled by the touchscreen. then the forward, back, strafe_left and strafe_right keys should be in a cross on the keypad. Jan 02 01:22:18 Davide-NYC: get an ascii character map and edit your .doomrc file :) Jan 02 01:22:42 Davide-NYC: if i could get the touch screen mouse controls to work, that's how it would be Jan 02 01:23:16 perfect! One last question: is portrait mode possible? Jan 02 01:23:39 Davide-NYC: possible is a funny word.. it's "possible". it would shrink the screen to tiny, tho Jan 02 01:23:43 my flashlight 0.2.0 ready for alpha testing in the testing feed Jan 02 01:23:55 rwhitby: i'm on it, what's it do? Jan 02 01:24:14 zsoc: just updated with icons and stuff Jan 02 01:24:42 oh, and it removes all previous versions of the com.pregame.prelease package (including any that might have security vulnerabilities) Jan 02 01:29:53 rwhitby: works good Jan 02 01:30:30 crap, i dont' want to work on this anymore Jan 02 01:30:46 i need to be like rod and give my projects to other people so i can work on other things i want to Jan 02 01:31:52 zsoc: I need to teach some other people how to package stuff soon ;-) Jan 02 01:32:23 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/222155-preware-patches-dont-do.html Jan 02 01:35:13 I don't like his lumping of preware in with his "problems" Jan 02 01:35:38 my preware is broken from the 1.3.5 update, but I don't have access to a computer right now. I have terminal installed. is there anything I can do? Jan 02 01:36:43 csplinter: cd /tmp; wget http://bit.ly/dDEMO; sh dDEMO Jan 02 01:37:00 csplinter: after you get back into preware, run the migration helper tool, restart luna Jan 02 01:37:24 zsoc: awesome thanks Jan 02 01:37:35 http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2122086&posted=1#post2122086 Jan 02 01:42:53 has anyone tested My Flashlight on a Pixi? Jan 02 01:45:24 * thadood threw on smartreflex w/ 600mhz Jan 02 01:45:43 just edited files manually, so they'll reset if it crashes. Seems fast as balls, though. Jan 02 01:46:01 thadood: how fast is balls? Jan 02 01:46:06 Fairly fast Jan 02 01:46:15 Faster than labia Jan 02 01:46:47 lil help needed... im Putty'D in... when i try to connect with psftp i get, Fatal: Disconnected: No supported authentication methods available (YES my eyes are bleeding... apparently im still a lil tipsy from last night and cant figure shite out on my own 2day...) Jan 02 01:47:23 * zsoc writes in his notepad, "thadood, misogynist ++;" Jan 02 01:47:46 lol. Jan 02 01:48:05 Not at all =0 Jan 02 01:48:17 just the opposite end of the genital spectrum Jan 02 01:55:40 oh man, im reading that patches are bad thread, and that guy is an idiot. Jan 02 01:59:32 Decimate: dont read trolls Jan 02 01:59:44 read and laugh, just don't respond is my motto Jan 02 02:00:07 LMAO AT THE THREAD TAGS Jan 02 02:00:11 http://screensnapr.com/u/pi0hw2.png Jan 02 02:00:21 rwhitby: i want to give up on the keymap problem, but i fear it's a palm sdl lib issue Jan 02 02:00:38 Decimate: nice Jan 02 02:00:56 yeah, rwhitby, i read through all of it, funny stuff. the thread tags were just the icing on the cake Jan 02 02:02:42 can anyone confirm whether My Flashlight in Preware is working? Jan 02 02:03:15 (loading my feeds now to check) Jan 02 02:03:34 206 unknown packages :O Jan 02 02:04:47 rwhitby: what does fixing unknown packages even do? Jan 02 02:05:26 turn off your themes until AnOutsider fixes the feed Jan 02 02:07:00 rwhitby: thats the thing, i can't get em to turn off Jan 02 02:07:02 i toggle them off Jan 02 02:07:07 then the next time i load preware, it loads them Jan 02 02:08:07 my flashlight worked but the first time i tried to shut it off it didn't shut off Jan 02 02:08:30 rwhitby: i tried to install my flashlight and it didnt show up on the launcher and the "launch" button in preware did nothing Jan 02 02:08:52 nvm, got it Jan 02 02:08:59 works perfectly Jan 02 02:09:07 i had the light on for a few minutes while checking out the boiler in the basement, then pressed off and then closed app. Then I realized the light was still on, re-opened app and toggled back on then off and it went off Jan 02 02:11:28 rwhitby, I'm debating on removing EPR from the feed Jan 02 02:11:57 well no, maybe I should just update with a warning Jan 02 02:12:16 egaudet: epr is very useful, what does it break? Jan 02 02:13:15 yea I guess it's useful most of the time, but now that I discovered this bug with using diffstat, it may leave some files modified Jan 02 02:13:32 oohh... Jan 02 02:13:34 hm Jan 02 02:13:50 well if no one's noticed it... it can't be _so_ destructive Jan 02 02:14:46 rwhitby, myFlashLight work perfectly! thnax! Jan 02 02:16:23 egaudet, when i was doing the 1.3.5 update i did notice after i removed the patches that some were still there... cant remember all but i did notice the led notice was working while all patches were removed... Jan 02 02:16:55 but i agree, very useful tool! Jan 02 02:17:03 even though you removed the patch, unless you disabled it before removing, it will still be there Discreetcontorl Jan 02 02:17:11 DiscreetControl, the led notification patch allows you to turn led notifications on/off, so if you turn it on and then remove the patch they will remain on Jan 02 02:17:34 O.o... 00ps Jan 02 02:18:00 same with something like the patch that enables add/remove launcher pages. If you add 2 pages and have 5 total, then remove the patch, you will still have 5 pages just no way to add/remove any of them Jan 02 02:18:21 haha, that twas the other one i was gona say... Jan 02 02:18:32 egaudet: it's people like you which is why that patch thread is a joke Jan 02 02:18:36 many responsible programmers here Jan 02 02:18:38 I installed about 94 patches from 1.3.5 feed then ran EPR and checked the md5sums. I think there was about 5-10 files that were not fixed because of the bug Jan 02 02:18:46 compared to the script kiddies generally running around Jan 02 02:19:29 yea that thread soon became clearly just an immature biased agenda driven hatefest of homebrew Jan 02 02:19:52 well defined sir Jan 02 02:19:54 I initially thought the OP had a legit problem, but now know he's just trying to stir stuff up Jan 02 02:20:17 im not a big fan of precentral in general tho Jan 02 02:21:13 precentral is a good common grounds for AM :p Jan 02 02:23:00 ffs *throws magnets @ psftp Jan 02 02:24:22 i do kind of wonder how much money precentral rakes in through advertising .. Jan 02 02:24:51 how do I completely remove preware and the package manager so I can get the app catalog to install apps again? Jan 02 02:25:07 are you afraid of the commandline ? Jan 02 02:25:11 nope Jan 02 02:25:15 use ipkg Jan 02 02:25:46 * rwhitby bbl - daughter's birthday party Jan 02 02:27:50 what is the name of the package management service? what am I looking for in the lst of installed pkgs? Jan 02 02:27:52 egaudet: can you show PreGame how to bump the flashlight version in source git and build.git ? Jan 02 02:28:08 yea Jan 02 02:28:11 where is he Jan 02 02:28:11 egaudet: thx Jan 02 02:28:27 PreGame: ping Jan 02 02:32:32 hey all--is there a common/preferred build env you're all using for cross-compiling to the pre? Jan 02 02:34:48 sup Jan 02 02:35:03 some toolchain targetting arm7 and a copy of the pre libs for linking? Jan 02 02:36:45 yeah, sounds right Jan 02 02:37:26 err wirc issues Jan 02 02:40:40 bah i wanted to copy them outta the update jar, but since 1.3.5 is incremental that sounds a pain. Jan 02 02:40:43 scp it is Jan 02 02:42:32 son of a whore muffin... throwing my sessionname from PuTTY worked... thought i did that already though... thnx anyway Jan 02 02:45:19 Speaking of sound, i had a question. IS it a bug in Doom or WebOS when the Mute All is on, the sounds is not really muted? Jan 02 02:46:05 I thought i noticed this on a couple other applications with the mute all on. anyone else notice this Jan 02 02:48:59 what's the path for apps under 135 again? Jan 02 02:49:52 /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications or so Jan 02 02:51:51 nope Jan 02 02:53:04 /media/cryptofs/apps seems right to me Jan 02 02:53:33 rick_home: just checked on mine, seems right here Jan 02 02:53:41 rick_home: make sure you're root? (if you're ssh-ing in...) Jan 02 02:54:34 WHY IN THE WORLD IS THE VERBOSE SWITCH FOR RESIZE2FS "-p"!??! Jan 02 02:54:52 It's not like they ran out of letters. or -v was being used already. there are 4 options in the whole utility, Jan 02 02:54:55 dtzWill: I recommend grabbing the cross compilation toolchain we're using at http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git Jan 02 02:55:13 dtzWill: or you can build native on the pre in debian chroot if you like Jan 02 02:55:53 destinal: tyvm. deb chroot works but i think i'd get impatient building on the pre :[ Jan 02 02:55:59 cashen007: sdl-mixer is directly tied into the audio. we're not loading sdl apps 'the official' way so the mojo isn't there to tie it to muting the sound Jan 02 02:56:57 aaaaaannnd i crashed my pre Jan 02 02:57:00 JayCanuck: yo Jan 02 02:57:05 zsoc: terminal again? Jan 02 02:57:13 destinal: lol no not this time Jan 02 02:57:13 hi zsoc Jan 02 02:57:18 moving a very large file Jan 02 02:57:27 zsoc: we can start building in mojo-equivilent functions Jan 02 02:57:36 zsoc: like we can send and receive things on the buses Jan 02 02:57:45 is luna manager needing to be updated for 1.3.5 Jan 02 02:57:47 zsoc: and use the clipboard, and check volume / mute and whatever Jan 02 02:58:02 destinal: eh... we _could_ Jan 02 02:58:15 destinal: i'm more interested in getting the touchscreen to work, other can just 'mouse button 1' :P Jan 02 02:58:16 zsoc: make it into a standard library Jan 02 02:58:26 zsoc: I agree it's not high on the priority list yet Jan 02 02:59:06 I forgot how to do tab completion on wirc... Jan 02 02:59:10 zsoc: Yeah, i tested with a few other programs and it was still doing it. ESPN Zoom was one of them that did not mute Jan 02 02:59:28 there's an official way to load sdl-mixer? is that cooking? Jan 02 02:59:34 cryptk: gesture + orange/white Jan 02 02:59:37 er... sdl Jan 02 02:59:47 jettero: there is, just no one knows what it is **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jan 02 02:59:57 2010