**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jan 12 02:59:56 2010 Jan 12 03:00:13 um, no, it's configuration management Jan 12 03:00:28 oh man, weird, application updates are now available Jan 12 03:00:29 cool Jan 12 03:01:25 very minor update over what we have and probably gsm fixes Jan 12 03:01:36 i know that much Jan 12 03:01:49 i was just hoping someone had a changelog--no worries Jan 12 03:01:51 I think im gonna doctor back to 1.3.5 until 1.4 comes Jan 12 03:02:04 what does "Phoenix" mean, palm pre wise? Jan 12 03:03:43 anyone watch the Kara Swisher / Ruby interview also? I'm really concerned about this lady Kara Swisher, she has no sense of humor about Roger McNamee's sarcastic mirror jokes or the marijuana references re: the Pre from the year before ;) Jan 12 03:04:58 psykoz: do you smoke? Jan 12 03:05:15 cigarettes? Jan 12 03:05:33 weed Jan 12 03:05:46 does anyone not? Jan 12 03:05:50 hahaha Jan 12 03:05:53 yes Jan 12 03:05:58 since when? Jan 12 03:05:59 but as the saying goes Jan 12 03:06:05 "dude, everyone smokes weed." Jan 12 03:06:54 everyone in the US does Jan 12 03:07:28 haha Jan 12 03:07:33 awesome my cross-compile is installing :D Jan 12 03:07:45 hi Jan 12 03:07:46 question for cross-compiling: Jan 12 03:07:53 i live in the us and i don't smoke weed Jan 12 03:08:03 if i need something to compile VBA, like zlib, will i need it on the pre? Jan 12 03:08:09 PreGame is the unicorn Jan 12 03:08:16 Now everyone else in here does Jan 12 03:08:20 PreGame, you're an illusion Jan 12 03:08:22 not real Jan 12 03:08:31 i am your inner thoughts Jan 12 03:08:43 no Jan 12 03:09:46 yokken: i already have VBA built Jan 12 03:09:54 PuffTheMagic: does it work!? Jan 12 03:09:59 runs like shit Jan 12 03:10:02 dtzWill wrote an openGL wrapper for it Jan 12 03:10:06 al the fun people do Jan 12 03:10:07 says it runs like a dream Jan 12 03:10:13 exactly, KEYofR Jan 12 03:10:27 yokken: where is dtzWill with the patch then Jan 12 03:10:44 PuffTheMagic: if i had to guess, he's probably getting it ready :) working out kinks, y'know Jan 12 03:11:06 i'm pumped to say the least Jan 12 03:11:09 or its not real Jan 12 03:11:14 PreGame: when I first read that, I thought it said "I am your inner thighs" LOL Jan 12 03:11:21 its not real till its in a repo Jan 12 03:11:22 PuffTheMagic: LOL Jan 12 03:11:25 PuffTheMagic: it's in git Jan 12 03:11:26 :P Jan 12 03:11:33 PuffTheMagic: been there for almost a day now :) Jan 12 03:11:35 okay i need to find the git repo for it Jan 12 03:11:37 haha Jan 12 03:11:41 please forgive this noob Jan 12 03:11:46 how do i access that Jan 12 03:11:50 PuffTheMagic: but it's a joke :( Jan 12 03:11:56 a joke, yeah, i bet Jan 12 03:12:02 yokken: PuffTheMagic was just joking Jan 12 03:12:05 dtzWill: a joke? Jan 12 03:12:06 wat Jan 12 03:12:10 PuffTheMagic: haha Jan 12 03:12:13 dtzWill: huh? Jan 12 03:12:14 i'm SO confused Jan 12 03:12:17 what the fuck is going on Jan 12 03:12:18 i wasnt joking Jan 12 03:13:16 so how do i access it in git? Jan 12 03:13:31 yokken: the binaries aren't there so hold on Jan 12 03:13:39 yokken: oh right you have your build env up, sorry Jan 12 03:13:48 :D Jan 12 03:14:03 yokken: git://git.webos-internals.org/games/visualboyadvance.git Jan 12 03:14:09 :O Jan 12 03:14:09 yokken: but i'll be pushing some changes in a bit so sit tight Jan 12 03:14:16 yes sir Jan 12 03:14:41 PuffTheMagic: oh well either joking or being a jerk Jan 12 03:14:58 PuffTheMagic: and i assumed friendly Jan 12 03:15:03 dtzWill: u talking about the "mabye its fake? Jan 12 03:15:08 or not real comment? Jan 12 03:15:32 anybody here using virtualbox on a mac with ubuntu? i can't get my clipboard from my mac to transfer to ubuntu... it'd be really helpful Jan 12 03:15:41 dtzWill: you gonna make the GLES port for evas? Jan 12 03:15:53 PuffTheMagic: He could :> Jan 12 03:15:54 dBsooner: ping Jan 12 03:15:59 he should Jan 12 03:16:16 PuffTheMagic: what did raster think about that? a big mess? Jan 12 03:16:28 zsoc: idk i didnt talk to him Jan 12 03:16:34 not about that at least Jan 12 03:16:43 PuffTheMagic: doesn't it already work, how'd we get that demo? Jan 12 03:16:46 rwhitby: i wanna put expedite in Preware Jan 12 03:16:49 PuffTheMagic: oh yeah maybe it's fake part haha :) Jan 12 03:16:59 zsoc: that is all sw Jan 12 03:17:05 aahhh Jan 12 03:17:08 dtzWill: that was half serious half joking Jan 12 03:17:14 wait, evas != GL? Jan 12 03:17:15 zsoc: it was nice for sw too Jan 12 03:17:18 all that 3d stuff Jan 12 03:17:35 evas is part suite of graphics libs Jan 12 03:17:38 sorta qt Jan 12 03:17:43 or gtk Jan 12 03:17:46 have different pieces Jan 12 03:17:49 ah, makes much more sense now Jan 12 03:17:55 and they all use different backends Jan 12 03:17:58 like Xorg Jan 12 03:18:01 sorry, a bit too much of the old blue's man's best friend. Jan 12 03:18:02 or DirectFB Jan 12 03:18:28 hey dtzWill, i tried to clone your git repo and it said index-pack wasn't a git command Jan 12 03:18:40 I wanna know what the 3000 words autoreplace really does... as in, what failed words does it replace? Jan 12 03:18:43 am i just doing the wrong thing or what, i have no real experience with git Jan 12 03:18:54 lingfish: it replaced some real words for me, don't get it Jan 12 03:19:03 i have NO problem with my autocorrect since i have a real keyboard Jan 12 03:19:19 on an iphone it might be beneficial but on my pre it just replaced real words with other words that i didn't mean Jan 12 03:19:23 yokken: hrm. I find u -> you and stuff useful.. but a table would be handy... Jan 12 03:19:38 well the pre does thta by default Jan 12 03:19:38 PuffTheMagic: the gl rendering though in vba REALLY helped Jan 12 03:19:39 and i to I Jan 12 03:19:44 iphone is sorta beneficial in the differnt way that it allows you to tap the word you want to replace with Jan 12 03:19:46 dtzWill: im sur eit did Jan 12 03:19:55 PuffTheMagic: well i wasn't sure how much it would Jan 12 03:20:01 yokken: I know that :) I'm wondering what THAT pkg gives me as extras.. Jan 12 03:20:17 don't bother Jan 12 03:20:20 xcomp: ping Jan 12 03:20:21 k Jan 12 03:20:34 PuffTheMagic: and since i did it with es 2.0, we have programmable shaders, so nice pixel sclaing effects here we come (hq2x, scale2x, etc all have gpl'd shader implementations) Jan 12 03:21:04 dtzWill: why won't my clone work :( index-pack is not valid Jan 12 03:21:44 lol i had to sudo it, lame Jan 12 03:21:49 o_O Jan 12 03:21:58 don't ask me, i have no idea Jan 12 03:22:44 rwhitby: ping Jan 12 03:22:46 dtzWill: i've been working on that opengl-to-glesv2 wrapper Jan 12 03:22:51 And call duration in call log... I'm already seeing durations?!?! Jan 12 03:23:02 i've got it running the test program it came with Jan 12 03:23:12 PuffTheMagic: syn|ack Jan 12 03:23:43 alright everyone early beta: http://wdtz.org/files/vba . have at it :D. Should run all gb/gbc games well, gba works but is slow. the screen is stretched presently, i'm working on a clean solution to that. Jan 12 03:24:09 ali1: excellent. 'that' wrapper? the wes one, or nano, or...? Jan 12 03:24:16 ali1: oh -to-glesv2, the 'wes' one Jan 12 03:24:18 winnnnnnnn Jan 12 03:24:23 yeah the wes Jan 12 03:24:26 ali1: how's that coming? that looked promising Jan 12 03:24:39 so far its working Jan 12 03:24:46 it rendered a cube with a texture Jan 12 03:24:48 ali1: oh?? Jan 12 03:24:53 ali1: that's gloriously amazing Jan 12 03:25:01 ali1: fantastic good news haha :D Jan 12 03:25:13 ali1: is this something you can share at some point? hot damn, gj. Jan 12 03:25:17 rwhitby: so -rpath... lets say i am building an app that uses libA (libA is in /usr/local/lib) but libA needs libB.... does libB have to be in /usr/local/lib too? Jan 12 03:25:19 ali1: what kinda of work was req'd to get it going? Jan 12 03:25:40 dtzWill: not much, i just had to structure it some to build and work with webos Jan 12 03:25:44 PuffTheMagic: -rpath is in addition to the normal LD_LIBRARY_PATH and ld.so.conf Jan 12 03:25:58 not all functions are in there obviously but its a good starting point Jan 12 03:26:13 but yeah its shareable if you want to poke at it Jan 12 03:26:31 right now i'm trying to make it work with the testgl program that came with the libsdl Jan 12 03:26:32 ali1: understood. that's great news. i'd love to take a look. think i'm gonna step away from vba for a bit hehe Jan 12 03:26:36 ali1: gotcha. Jan 12 03:27:03 you want me to tar it up for you? Jan 12 03:27:08 PuffTheMagic: palm uses rpath btw Jan 12 03:27:13 i feel bad asking for another git folder from rwhitby Jan 12 03:27:13 PuffTheMagic: http://linux.about.com/library/cmd/blcmdl8_ld.so.htm Jan 12 03:27:22 check libpurple-adapter Jan 12 03:27:38 destinal-wirc: as they should, it's a standard recommended way to do this stuff Jan 12 03:27:53 ali1: what do you need? Jan 12 03:28:23 i need another area of the repo, another library called wesGL Jan 12 03:28:32 for another* Jan 12 03:28:50 ali1: where's the upstream for it? Jan 12 03:29:17 upstream? Jan 12 03:29:17 ali1: or are you writing it from scratch? Jan 12 03:29:26 where's it come from? Jan 12 03:29:30 what's the licensing Jan 12 03:29:43 oh its http://code.google.com/p/gl-wes-v2/ Jan 12 03:29:44 googlecode project, http://code.google.com/p/gl-wes-v2/ gpl Jan 12 03:29:54 LGPL Jan 12 03:30:03 omg vba win Jan 12 03:30:25 ali1: not libraries/gl-wes-v2 ? Jan 12 03:30:51 that'll work! Jan 12 03:31:14 dtzWill: holy crap you have amazed me once again. I am playing pokemon blue right now (got my cartridge right next to me of course), sound is amazing too Jan 12 03:32:16 zsoc: :D should work on those games just fine. if anyone has any thoughts regarding inputs it'll be like quake--if it's a good idea it'll get added....so hit me up with ideas Jan 12 03:32:21 all hail dtzwill Jan 12 03:32:24 cool Jan 12 03:32:26 ali1: done Jan 12 03:32:34 thank you so much rwhitby ! Jan 12 03:32:36 zsoc: for example the d-pad is 'nice' but you can't go between them very easily, so any kinda action is a pita and hurts Jan 12 03:32:45 yokken: that's unnecessary lol but glad you like it Jan 12 03:32:47 ali1: you're the one doing the work :-) Jan 12 03:32:51 someone pack and ship :) Jan 12 03:33:05 destinal-wirc: I can work on that tonight Jan 12 03:33:14 dtzWill: I'm going to name my venisaur Will Jan 12 03:33:14 once dtzWill has it in the repo ;-) Jan 12 03:33:20 zsoc: haha Jan 12 03:33:24 rwhitby: it's been in the repo Jan 12 03:33:32 POKEMON SILVER!!!!!!!! Jan 12 03:33:35 rwhitby: oh you mean a makefile. yeah i can work on that. Jan 12 03:33:36 dtzWill: so that binary builds from repo? Jan 12 03:34:08 rwhitby: not yet, sorry. i didn't realize that's what you meant. i'll give that a go. i might.. get it wrong, when that happens the log on the server should jsut tell me right? i had to do some wird configure stuff when i first built it Jan 12 03:34:13 dtz: is there a launcher/selector? Jan 12 03:34:32 destinal-wirc: there is not. that's one thing i want to add before i package+ship publicly Jan 12 03:34:33 whenevr you change volume the sound gets owned Jan 12 03:34:38 yokken: really? Jan 12 03:34:47 yeah Jan 12 03:34:50 it slows down like crazy Jan 12 03:34:58 Change sound works fine here Jan 12 03:34:59 might be the rom Jan 12 03:35:02 yokken: oh, yes. i'm not entirely sure why that is. Jan 12 03:35:06 * rwhitby bbiab Jan 12 03:35:07 oh it just happened once Jan 12 03:35:11 it might be an occasional thing Jan 12 03:35:11 yokken: touching the screen in general makes it lame Jan 12 03:35:19 yokken: on gba anyway it does Jan 12 03:35:26 dtz: ok, we should wait for bugs and launcher Jan 12 03:35:28 yokken: doesn't seem to with this gbc gmae i'm playing, idk Jan 12 03:35:29 i'm doing gbc Jan 12 03:35:36 oh man i want to play a pokemon firered right now Jan 12 03:35:38 gbc works amazing. i mean this is _identical_ to my first gbc' Jan 12 03:35:48 sorry for overexcitement Jan 12 03:35:54 destinal-wirc: that's the idea. :D Jan 12 03:35:59 destinal-wirc: excitement is good Jan 12 03:36:22 just get the aspect ratio right somehow and it's literally perfect. dtzwill, does it save progress? Jan 12 03:36:23 zsoc: glad it works well for you. no one's commented on the stretching, is it a big deal for now? Jan 12 03:36:31 it's not a huge deal Jan 12 03:36:33 i was going to fix it and then maybe have a toggle Jan 12 03:36:36 dtzWill: eh, it's not _bad_ it's just.... stretched Jan 12 03:36:43 i'd like it to be 4:3 Jan 12 03:36:47 yokken: nah if i have pride in it i should fix it i'm just looking for an out b/c that requires more gpl Jan 12 03:36:49 but whatever man, this rocks Jan 12 03:36:53 dtz: you should write up one of these porting efforts Jan 12 03:36:59 yokken: i'll scale it based on native resolution, don't worry about it Jan 12 03:37:03 wait... so i can't save my progress? Jan 12 03:37:06 :( Jan 12 03:37:10 yokken: saves work for me Jan 12 03:37:14 oh that's what i asked Jan 12 03:37:16 would help us learn Jan 12 03:37:17 yokken: if they don't, let me know Jan 12 03:37:31 yokken: i meant 'nah' regarding it not being a big deal, i'm just being lazy haha Jan 12 03:37:39 time for a beer though :D brb Jan 12 03:37:46 My charmander is named Will, I can't even make this up Jan 12 03:37:50 lol Jan 12 03:37:58 i need a namefor myself Jan 12 03:38:01 possibly... ash. Jan 12 03:38:18 this is incredible, will Jan 12 03:38:24 expect to be on engadget tomorrow Jan 12 03:38:25 wow, gsm app catalog sucks - only 123 apps Jan 12 03:38:30 Soooo, DOOM is great... except when you need to turn left on a QWERTZ kb Jan 12 03:38:37 lol Jan 12 03:38:37 rwhitby: yes, yes it does Jan 12 03:38:39 german ftw Jan 12 03:38:50 freakout: you haven't remapped the keyboard yet? Jan 12 03:39:01 rwhitby: nope, never got around to meta-doctoring Jan 12 03:39:16 that reminds, me - I need to do that on the other GSM Pre Jan 12 03:39:22 But even so, there's gonna be a lot of folks out there who prefer the QWERTZ arrangement Jan 12 03:39:33 oh man gba roms are a lot bigger Jan 12 03:39:37 I LOVE THIS GAME SO MUCH Jan 12 03:39:41 lol zsoc Jan 12 03:39:46 which game ? Jan 12 03:39:49 my childhood :( Jan 12 03:39:52 i loved pokemon red so much... Jan 12 03:39:53 bpadalino: pokemon blue Jan 12 03:39:58 it seriously was my childhood Jan 12 03:40:04 ah Jan 12 03:40:15 has anyone tried gba roms yet? they will be slow, but should work Jan 12 03:40:20 but seriously, vba emu is hot Jan 12 03:40:22 testing golden sun, mario, etc Jan 12 03:40:56 ima do it right now dtzwill with fire red pokemon Jan 12 03:41:13 yokken: kk lemme know how that goes. Jan 12 03:41:39 ruh roh Jan 12 03:41:43 it's goin slow lol Jan 12 03:41:45 also after you're done being super excited if you could either tell me here or in pm how if you have any suggestions, that would be great Jan 12 03:41:52 hahaha aight Jan 12 03:42:02 looks like fire red is either taking forever or not working period Jan 12 03:42:06 oh it's loading! Jan 12 03:42:10 just took it a while Jan 12 03:42:10 lol gbc emu only takes ~40 cpu hehe Jan 12 03:42:21 slow frame rate, choppy audio Jan 12 03:42:26 maybe like 10fps Jan 12 03:42:59 the 1M sub-circuit board is not installed. Jan 12 03:43:06 whatever that means, pokemon just told me Jan 12 03:43:16 did the recent webos update make wireless not go to sleep during lock now ? Jan 12 03:43:23 yokken: oh that's the timer thingy i think those carts used. there's a command line option for that iirc? not sure Jan 12 03:43:57 freakout: switching back to US app catalog :-) Jan 12 03:44:02 woohoo Jan 12 03:44:04 1084 apps Jan 12 03:44:05 also besides the keybindings cryptk suggested the other day: '@' is turbo and '.' is screenshot, although i haven't tested the screenshot hehe Jan 12 03:44:08 rwhitby: sensible man Jan 12 03:44:18 dtzWill: its up Jan 12 03:44:28 ali1: great Jan 12 03:44:41 oh, new game from Rick_work is up Jan 12 03:44:44 turbo is funny in gba Jan 12 03:45:16 the bigger problem was that it was missing a header file called wes_gl_arb.h but i figured what defines it needed and put those in Jan 12 03:45:21 yeah gba is basically unplayable but it works Jan 12 03:45:38 still, i dunno if there was anything else in there other than those define constants Jan 12 03:45:41 dtzWill: do any of the filter modes force aspect ratio? Jan 12 03:46:53 yokken: what? Jan 12 03:46:59 yokken: no, that's not how it/they work, sorry. Jan 12 03:47:01 well the video is stretched Jan 12 03:47:12 how do you plan on fixing it? Jan 12 03:47:16 yokken: i understand that, there's good reasons for that that are complicated Jan 12 03:47:17 lol Jan 12 03:47:23 so demanding Jan 12 03:47:26 no! Jan 12 03:47:35 i was just asking if it was a vba thing or opengl thing or whatever Jan 12 03:47:46 yokken: it's an opengl thing Jan 12 03:47:52 alright thanks Jan 12 03:47:54 yokken: i started learning opengl a few days ago so it's hard :( Jan 12 03:48:02 lol no worries dude, this is slick as it is Jan 12 03:48:28 ali1: kk. grabbing it now Jan 12 03:48:47 rwhitby: what game and where? Jan 12 03:48:51 I get two errors when doing make stage Jan 12 03:49:04 dtzWill: oh, and if you run the test program, it needs the data/glass.bmp where you're running test from Jan 12 03:49:13 Well, at last that's an improvement - "this application is not available in your country" rather than "App Catalog Unavailable. Please try again later" Jan 12 03:49:14 otherwise you won't see a cube :( Jan 12 03:49:20 still annoying as all buggery. Jan 12 03:49:31 ali1: haha. thanks :) Jan 12 03:49:40 * thatguy7 is hungry Jan 12 03:49:56 and the new app updater is awesome Jan 12 03:50:17 make[1]: *** [../../downloads/zlib-1.2.3.tar.bz2] error 23 and make: *** [staging-armv7] Error 2 Jan 12 03:50:23 anyone know what I Did wronog? :P Jan 12 03:51:15 i tried to make zlib Jan 12 03:51:24 it "make" and "make install"'d fine Jan 12 03:51:29 but the vba compile wouldn't see it Jan 12 03:51:49 yokken: i'll fix that Jan 12 03:51:57 yokken: i haven't pushed the right things Jan 12 03:52:09 lol no worries dude, all in good time Jan 12 03:52:45 oh I also get: Jan 12 03:53:08 curl: (23) Failed writing body (0 != 1227) Jan 12 03:53:19 looks like a download failed Jan 12 03:53:20 yokken to build it yourself, try: LIBS='-L/usr/lib -L/usr/local/lib' CFLAGS='-O3 -mcpu=cortex-a8 -mfpu=neon -ftree-vectorize -mfloat-abi=softfp -ffast-math -fsingle-precision-constant' CXXFLAGS='-O3 -mcpu=cortex-a8 -mfpu=neon -ftree-vectorize -mfloat-abi=softfp -ffast-math -fsingle-precision-constant' CPPFLAGS='-O3 -mcpu=cortex-a8 -mfpu=neon -ftree-vectorize -mfloat-abi=softfp -ffast-math -fsingle-precision-constant' ./ Jan 12 03:53:31 umm... holy shit Jan 12 03:53:43 you have -mcpu in there twice ;) Jan 12 03:53:48 it's just a the libs, the the cflags 3x Jan 12 03:53:55 oh i'm dumb nvm Jan 12 03:54:06 yokken: no worries, thanks though :) Jan 12 03:54:12 anyone have any ideas? :S Jan 12 03:54:20 Toaster89: try make stage again Jan 12 03:55:00 yokken: or just export CFLAGS to the first one and use that in the others (CXXFLAGS=$CFLAGS CPPFLAGS=$CFLAGS), but i wanted to give you a one-liner Jan 12 03:55:16 zsoc: where the hell is professor oak Jan 12 03:55:19 lol alright will, thanks Jan 12 03:55:37 yokken: rofl aw man i should stop dev'ing and go play some pokemon myself Jan 12 03:55:45 yes you should :) Jan 12 03:56:00 oh he comes out of nowhere when i try to leave Jan 12 03:56:01 what a douche Jan 12 03:56:18 www.nomorepasting.com/getpaste.php?pasteid=31073 Jan 12 03:56:43 destinal-wirc: ping Jan 12 03:56:49 PuffTheMagic: pong Jan 12 03:56:51 anyone have any ideas? Jan 12 03:57:00 YAY CHARMANDER Jan 12 03:57:13 destinal: wanna try that expedite demo on your pre Jan 12 03:57:24 OH! toaster! Jan 12 03:57:27 i think i did that myself Jan 12 03:57:31 aw the good old days of IRC'ing without clients, you had to do all your PONG's yourself or get disco'd for ping timeout Jan 12 03:57:33 Toaster89: you ran out of room or can't download stuff anymore ? Jan 12 03:57:44 curl is failing on downloading the file Jan 12 03:57:46 that's all Jan 12 03:57:48 i copied the sourceforge link, downloaded it, and tar -xvf'd it Jan 12 03:57:52 i had to get curl myself Jan 12 03:57:53 PuffTheMagic: yeah I'll try it Jan 12 03:58:11 4.4 gb's free Jan 12 03:58:14 is there a pastebin on webos-internals? Jan 12 03:58:24 PreGame: in the topic Jan 12 03:58:54 yokken: interesting pokemon /does/ take a long time to load.. odd. Jan 12 03:59:04 yokken: pokemon gba i mean Jan 12 03:59:19 golden sun runs instantly Jan 12 03:59:33 took me forever Jan 12 03:59:51 dtzWill: golden sun was apparently coded poorly and emulation is difficult on it Jan 12 03:59:54 YEAH GET OWNED SQUIRTLE, 1HP LEFT Jan 12 03:59:56 A Polish immigrant went to the DMV to apply for a driver's license. First, of course, he had to take an eyesight test. The optician showed him a card with the letters: 'C Z W I X N O S T A C Z.' Jan 12 04:00:00 "Can you read this?" the optician asked. "Read it?" the Polish guy replied: "I know the guy." Jan 12 04:00:03 oops Jan 12 04:00:12 LEVEL 6!!!!!!! Jan 12 04:00:16 bad paste Jan 12 04:00:26 psykoz: lol anyway Jan 12 04:00:34 Tibfib: oh i didn't know it was b/c it was coded poorly, but yeah it's typically slow/buggy. which is why it seems odd for pokemon to take forever to load and golden sun works just fine o_O Jan 12 04:00:42 Toaster89: yeah - i have no idea other than what you pasted to me.. and that tells me either a) you don't have permissions or b) you're out of room .. that's all Jan 12 04:00:52 destinal, o.O Jan 12 04:00:57 dtzWill: via PSP emulation it would crash often Jan 12 04:01:04 PuffTheMagic: demo? Jan 12 04:01:06 hmm I did: Jan 12 04:01:09 chmod 777 . Jan 12 04:01:10 PuffTheMagic: where Jan 12 04:01:23 dtzWill: idk if it was coded poorly... something about the code is bad... idr what Jan 12 04:01:23 Tibfib: ah, damn. it's kinda slow so i haven't played much, quite possibly dies often. Jan 12 04:01:25 destinal how ya doing? Jan 12 04:01:26 man my phone is being weird, it's reporting to me wifi is connected while locked Jan 12 04:01:27 1 sec Jan 12 04:01:35 Well I got SpyHunter / SuperSprint to load up but what are the controls?? Jan 12 04:01:35 is rwhitby about? Jan 12 04:01:40 which is fine, I like that.. I hated wifi disconnecting during lock Jan 12 04:01:44 Rick-home: hi. am good, back home, drinking beer. :) Jan 12 04:01:51 Linut: for vba? wasd/kl/enter/space Jan 12 04:01:53 destinal: wget http://omploader.org/vMzhlNw -O efl.tar.bz2 Jan 12 04:01:56 Rick-home: rwhitby was around a few minutes ago, said you had a new game, wandered off Jan 12 04:01:59 Linut: and '@' is turbo Jan 12 04:02:02 destinal: extract that in /usr/local/lib Jan 12 04:02:04 destinal did you manage to download the source I was looking at? Jan 12 04:02:05 googling just keeps finding me pages that say open vba options... Jan 12 04:02:15 Rick-home: yes but I had scons issues Jan 12 04:02:31 Linut: they're bindings i made up, but it does try to read a config so they're flexible Jan 12 04:02:31 can't wait for a loader that loads a file browser Jan 12 04:02:33 Rick-home: and then something came up at work and I had to go away for a while Jan 12 04:02:33 lol Jan 12 04:02:40 or even you just type the name Jan 12 04:02:43 got it Jan 12 04:02:47 trying... Jan 12 04:02:48 destinal understood. Jan 12 04:03:08 Rick-home: did you make any progress? Jan 12 04:03:12 destinal: let me know when that is done Jan 12 04:03:58 no one has ideas about landscape controls? :/. i guess since gba doens't really play right now i could ignore them :P Jan 12 04:04:17 crap Jan 12 04:04:17 dtzWill: it's in libpdl Jan 12 04:04:18 not rly Jan 12 04:04:31 to switch orientation Jan 12 04:04:32 Rick-home: what game did you make? i don't see any in preware Jan 12 04:04:44 holy shit 22 people have downloaded that stuff already Jan 12 04:04:44 fuck my charmander is going to faint Jan 12 04:04:49 lurkers haha Jan 12 04:04:52 lol will Jan 12 04:05:09 destinal: what's in libpdl? Jan 12 04:05:19 dtzWill: setorientiation stuff Jan 12 04:05:25 destinal: i was asking if anyone had control scheme suggestions for when it's landscape Jan 12 04:05:26 s/nti/nt/ Jan 12 04:05:26 destinal meant: dtzWill: setorientation stuff Jan 12 04:05:28 oh Jan 12 04:05:30 nevermind Jan 12 04:05:30 destinal: ah, kk. Jan 12 04:05:36 woo i did it Jan 12 04:05:42 destinal: i rewrote it to use opengl so taht's probaly my best bet anyway hehe Jan 12 04:05:48 destinal: but ty. did somoene get thta working? Jan 12 04:06:04 :( can't move!! Jan 12 04:06:25 PuffTheMagic: it's extracted in /usr/local/lib Jan 12 04:06:35 oil: ping Jan 12 04:06:50 dtzWill: not yet Jan 12 04:07:03 destinal: k Jan 12 04:07:09 navigated the game start screen to choose and start a game, and some of the controls work, the gun fires, but W doesn't move me forward. Jan 12 04:07:27 I found a typo on the wiki that is bad imo Jan 12 04:07:32 dtzWill, you get it landscape using opengles? Jan 12 04:07:33 the emu is genius, dtzWill, pure genius. Jan 12 04:07:38 Rick-home: ping Jan 12 04:07:49 the file name for the webOSdoctor is spelt wrong in for where you setup the PDK Jan 12 04:08:08 it's a wiki for a reason Jan 12 04:08:08 Toaster89: eh, what? Jan 12 04:08:09 edit it Jan 12 04:08:13 egaudet: the whole thing is rendered as a gles2 texture--so transforming it landscape would just be changign some values around Jan 12 04:08:18 freakout-Pre: ? Jan 12 04:08:21 sound is choppy . this is a gba rom I belive Jan 12 04:08:29 yeah gba is really slow Jan 12 04:08:33 oil, you are a racist Jan 12 04:08:40 i am? Jan 12 04:08:48 why is Dot Game "not availabe in my country"? Jan 12 04:08:55 idk? Jan 12 04:08:55 he hates eskimos Jan 12 04:09:01 because USA > * Jan 12 04:09:11 i have it turned on for everywhere? Jan 12 04:09:19 damn cultural supremacists Jan 12 04:09:23 Toaster89: you can help by fixing the wiki article -- if so it's appreciated Jan 12 04:09:27 rofl Jan 12 04:09:33 oil: not according to the Euro App Cat... Jan 12 04:10:39 destinal I will :) Jan 12 04:10:42 I have it installed from the earlier pre-discrimantory version of the AC. But if I search for it now or tap on its entry in my list of installed apps, I get that nasty message. Jan 12 04:11:07 its set to everywhere Jan 12 04:11:11 freakout-Pre: you need to buy a CDMA Pre, really. Jan 12 04:11:39 rwhitby: you'd advise he buy a whole extra phone just to get on the US catalog? Jan 12 04:11:47 oil: did you remember to take out the "if $USER == "freakout")" .... ? Jan 12 04:12:06 i mean, i could takea s creenshot of their dev area, showing every little checkbox checked Jan 12 04:12:11 if its screwed, you need to talk to palm Jan 12 04:12:12 destinal: well, unless he's got another way to get a Sprint profile ... Jan 12 04:12:27 dang no gbc spy hunter? I thought I was gonna actually have spy hunter haha Jan 12 04:12:36 rwhitby: sure it just seems a little steep Jan 12 04:12:39 I doubt anyone with a credit card attached is gonna share theirs with freakout .... Jan 12 04:13:01 presumably if someone on a Sprint unit creates a new profile for me, and i then sign in from my Pre, that would work, right? Jan 12 04:13:04 you sayin freakout isn't trustworthy? Jan 12 04:13:08 lol Jan 12 04:13:17 rwhitby: I think anyone can create additional profiles but they'll be associated with that person's MEID Jan 12 04:13:23 "as far as you could throw him" huh? Jan 12 04:13:41 freakout-Pre: yes, but it will sign them out Jan 12 04:13:49 destinal: but then what would happen when you switched, say, from a Pre to a Pixi? Jan 12 04:14:05 sol Jan 12 04:14:18 rwhitby: you mean it tracks multiple profiles logging in from same ID? Jan 12 04:14:20 rwhitby: but they would keep their own profile, they'd just be making a new one for moi Jan 12 04:14:24 s/ID/hardware ID/ Jan 12 04:14:25 destinal meant: rwhitby: you mean it tracks multiple profiles logging in from same hardware ID? Jan 12 04:14:37 destinal: it tracks all sorts of things Jan 12 04:14:55 same profile on different phones, different profiles on same phone, ... Jan 12 04:14:55 rwhitby: you should document some of this :) Jan 12 04:15:10 i think this experiment must be tried anyway. Jan 12 04:15:35 freakout-Pre: the easiest way to get dotgame is to have someone send you the CDN URL Jan 12 04:15:36 it sees you when you're sleeping, it knows when you are awake Jan 12 04:15:40 destinal: the only one that works is if you have the hardware for both phones in your possession Jan 12 04:16:10 destinal: the url's don't work either - I've tried that. "not available in your country" Jan 12 04:16:13 unless they did something about that Jan 12 04:16:20 freakout-Pre: the ipk URL? Jan 12 04:16:27 I already have dotgame so it's a moot point. just annoys me Jan 12 04:16:30 pushed libsdl-gfx jic anyone cares Jan 12 04:16:42 destinal: nope. just the web listing Jan 12 04:16:58 dtzWill: you can make the keyboard be used as buttons or dpad and put dpad/buttons on the screen in landscape Jan 12 04:17:07 PuffTheMagic: ping Jan 12 04:17:10 then again i dunno how good controls would be Jan 12 04:17:28 OH and i need to put in GL_QUADS into the wes Jan 12 04:17:37 if i can figure it out.. Jan 12 04:18:08 SWEEET Found it, MoonPatrol & SpyHunter GBC and it works great! Jan 12 04:18:13 rwhitby: so was the pre worth all the hassle? :) Jan 12 04:18:33 destinal: u gonna be around in 60min Jan 12 04:18:40 PuffTheMagic: yup Jan 12 04:18:41 i need to do something before i can get you the demo Jan 12 04:18:42 k Jan 12 04:18:43 bbs Jan 12 04:19:30 dtzWill, Tag234: you two guys should team up to create the ultimate gameboy emulator together ... Jan 12 04:19:46 You know, because the controls are better, this is actually more playable than the native palmos spyhunter Jan 12 04:19:46 yes, yes we should :D Jan 12 04:20:29 hah ide be willing to help if i can contribute Jan 12 04:21:00 * ali1 is dumb GL_QUADS is in there Jan 12 04:21:03 afternoon rwhitby Jan 12 04:21:58 did you get the email I forwarded with permission to copy source and object files of the SDL PAL app into webos and preware from the chinese guy? Jan 12 04:22:05 Tag234: i'd love to have the help :D Jan 12 04:23:13 yay its working now :D Jan 12 04:23:44 Toaster89 what'cha working on? Jan 12 04:24:21 rwhitby: were you going to push the staging of libGLUES_CM ? Jan 12 04:24:22 scummVM Jan 12 04:24:31 once I get the compiler setup that is Jan 12 04:24:35 I missed a step Jan 12 04:24:39 and it threw me off lol Jan 12 04:26:13 destinal, Terminal still crashes with mytether removed just for the record Jan 12 04:27:22 Linut: yeah I'm pretty sure terminal is to blame, some raw-writing a graphics buffer in a way that wasn't quite right but worked before and that changed in 1.3.5 somehow Jan 12 04:27:25 mytether wasn't anything you asked about btw, and should have no relation, just, I had it installed and everyone said its harmful, so I just wanted to eliminate it as a possible Jan 12 04:27:40 Linut: I'll pull it up Jan 12 04:27:51 Is anybody interested in making some extra bucks on the side creating a PDK plugin for our app? Jan 12 04:28:59 did you guys discuss and figure out how you want to add extra libs to the platform ? Jan 12 04:30:08 http://raraahahahromaromamagagaoohlala.com/ Jan 12 04:31:00 jacques: sorry, pushed now. Jan 12 04:31:48 bpadalino: /usr/local/lib, using -rpath Jan 12 04:32:07 sb2 build env matches execution environment on the Pre Jan 12 04:32:08 PuffTheMagic didn't flip out and start going nuts when you mentioned rpath ? Jan 12 04:32:11 reality9110 what do you want your pdk plugin to do? Jan 12 04:32:20 yokken: were you able to build it with the configure command i gave you? Jan 12 04:32:27 ali1: you start quad implementation yet? :) Jan 12 04:32:38 bonjour dtzWill comment ca va? Jan 12 04:32:52 rwhitby: ty Jan 12 04:33:04 rwhitby did you see the changes to the pdk page on the wiki? Jan 12 04:33:19 Rick-home: what is sdl pal ? Jan 12 04:33:37 rwhitby http://www.webos-internals.org/index.php?title=Application:SDLPAL&rcid=8084 Jan 12 04:33:39 Rick-home: what game did you make? Jan 12 04:33:41 hm got a new error says my SDL cant be found Jan 12 04:33:58 PreGame nothing yet, I ran into a problem that stumped me entirely Jan 12 04:34:13 the game I was trying to compile (pingus) uses scons not make. Jan 12 04:34:15 rwhitby: said your game was out Jan 12 04:34:22 lol dtzWill i didn't even try... way over my head Jan 12 04:34:25 cryptk|werk: hey :). http://wdtz.org/files/vba WIP but have at it, would love feedback, etc Jan 12 04:34:28 yokken: kk Jan 12 04:34:31 oh, there's an update to reversi Jan 12 04:34:42 just refreshing graphics tho, no logic changes. Jan 12 04:34:43 ahh Jan 12 04:34:52 which is really REALLY sad. Jan 12 04:34:54 is there a PDK tutorial? Jan 12 04:35:12 PreGame not yet, but I'm working on it one paragraph at a time. Jan 12 04:35:31 Rick-home: so we package sdl pal? is pw coming here? Jan 12 04:35:33 dtzWill: can I wget that URL? Jan 12 04:35:37 brb, meeting time Jan 12 04:35:39 cryptk|werk: yes. Jan 12 04:36:02 rwhitby I asked pw if he would come here. He's in taiwan, and I don't know his availability. Jan 12 04:36:16 Rick-home: I sent an email too Jan 12 04:36:24 for now we have email contact, and his request that we include sdlpal in preware. Jan 12 04:36:29 what do I do if I get: "configure error: *** SDL version 1.2.10 not found!" on make stage? Jan 12 04:36:48 Rick-home: http://gosurfsafe.net/2010/01/palm-pre上的仙剑奇侠传/ looks pretty cool Jan 12 04:36:59 Toaster89 you go back up to the top and figure out which step you missed. Jan 12 04:37:12 rwhitby that just looks so WEIRD with chinese characters in IRC. Jan 12 04:37:13 roger that Jan 12 04:37:51 Rick-home: in other news, a developer from france is going to help internationalise Preware Jan 12 04:38:39 do those chinese guys have chinese input on the Pre? Jan 12 04:38:40 http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http://gosurfsafe.net/2010/01/palm-pre%25E4%25B8%258A%25E7%259A%2584%25E4%25BB%2599%25E5%2589%2591%25E5%25A5%2587%25E4%25BE%25A0%25E4%25BC%25A0/&sl=zh-CN&tl=en Jan 12 04:39:20 rwhitby: sweet. Jan 12 04:39:40 dtzWill: what kind of file is that? doesn't look like a shell script... is it a binary? Jan 12 04:40:23 cryptk|werk: yeah, binary Jan 12 04:41:41 cryptk|werk: i'm sorry, it's 'vba'--visualy boy advance. gb/gbc/gba emulator--should work gloriously on gb/gbc games, gba is slow though and WIP Jan 12 04:41:52 you gotta love PW's tag line on his blog : Some information about Windows, WinCE, Linux on the Dongdong Jan 12 04:41:55 wget it, chmod 755 vba, wget a *.gbc rom then just ./vba name-ofrom.gbc Jan 12 04:42:33 doing the path stuff again Jan 12 04:43:04 only thing is I am at werk so I don't have access to any *.gbc files here Jan 12 04:43:07 or rather, for better use of space, i put everything in a folder in /media/internal so that your roms don't eat rootfs space Jan 12 04:43:11 anyone have a URL of one that I can wget? Jan 12 04:43:56 http://www.pdroms.de/files/gameboyadvance/ Jan 12 04:43:59 I googled. downloaded from doperoms.de Jan 12 04:44:15 yay it got past the sdl part :) Jan 12 04:44:50 doperoms.com sorry not .de Jan 12 04:45:25 except, get gbc roms nopt gba ones. it's too slow trying to do gba Jan 12 04:45:57 cryptk|werk http://www.gameboy-advance-roms.com/gba_roms_00.htm Jan 12 04:46:11 all right scummVM is compiling :D Jan 12 04:46:42 I am looking through a bunch of roms to find what I want, lol Jan 12 04:46:45 hey as far as rom selectors go, you guys working on evas----is that a legit idea or is it overkill, etc? Jan 12 04:47:38 http://www.doperoms.com/roms/Gameboy_And_Gbc.html Jan 12 04:48:25 ok thats nice so wheres our DS emu? Jan 12 04:48:30 heh Jan 12 04:48:43 KEYofArgh: lol it can barely run gba for now :( Jan 12 04:48:49 hehehe Jan 12 04:48:55 no hardware dtzWill? Jan 12 04:49:46 ds requires 2 pre's linked via bluetooth. Jan 12 04:50:01 Toaster89: what? Jan 12 04:50:08 i've noticed my phone has been off by 4 minutes today ... fast by 4, and not sure why Jan 12 04:50:18 rick for the two screens? nahh just cut ours in half Jan 12 04:50:31 you first KEYofArgh Jan 12 04:50:56 dtzWill: works pretty good Jan 12 04:51:03 i did mean virtually as in use half for a and half for b Jan 12 04:51:12 can't test the sound yet since the other shift is still here, but once they leave I will try it out more Jan 12 04:51:25 Oh FAKE -- fine fine -- KEYofArgh Jan 12 04:52:57 so, jack97 came up with a great idea for an app Jan 12 04:53:03 anyone wanna hear what it is? Jan 12 04:53:06 bpadalino: you mean roaming today? Jan 12 04:53:08 and maybe make it... Jan 12 04:53:09 sure cryptk|werk Jan 12 04:53:25 ok, the app will be a font end for both an FTP server and wget Jan 12 04:53:28 nah, haven't been roaming ... Jan 12 04:53:30 dtzWill: quad implementation was already in there Jan 12 04:53:33 if you want to send a file from one phone to another Jan 12 04:53:33 i was just being dumb Jan 12 04:53:35 hmm i know we thought this was resolved, but a 'make clobber; make stage' didn't fix libpng symlink for me....in fact no library .so is linked correctly. Jan 12 04:53:43 seems the tower time is off? which sounds strance Jan 12 04:53:45 bpadalino: then I have no idea :-\ Jan 12 04:53:48 it's not a big deal, but more bothers me that it's inconsistant Jan 12 04:53:54 strange Jan 12 04:54:02 one phone can turn on the FTP server, get a URL for the file they want and text it to someone Jan 12 04:54:22 the recipient of the text copies the URL, puts in in their program and their phone wgets it Jan 12 04:54:29 simple file transfer program Jan 12 04:54:43 cryptk|werk uh sounds like needless complication Jan 12 04:54:58 you have a better way to send a file from one phone to another? Jan 12 04:55:04 without the limitations of bluetooth Jan 12 04:55:12 isn't there a one-time web server already? commandline linux util I seem to remember seeing once Jan 12 04:55:27 KEYofArgh: netcat xD Jan 12 04:55:35 dt well true :) Jan 12 04:56:06 now that i have done make build with scummVM how do I get it to my pre? Jan 12 04:56:12 basically we are just hoping for a front end for some kind of utility to be used for transferring files from pre to pre Jan 12 04:56:21 this WAS actually a minimal, one-time web server though. the recipient used a web browser Jan 12 04:56:34 Toaster89: scp Jan 12 04:56:42 Toaster89 scp, or usb and then mv it Jan 12 04:57:01 where on the USB? Jan 12 04:57:16 anywwhere -- because you are going to mv it somewhere Jan 12 04:57:20 or run it from terminal Jan 12 04:57:21 crypt: specifically over lan/wan must also be a requirement since otherwise locally you could use bt Jan 12 04:57:29 ah okay I see now Jan 12 04:57:31 if you want it in a launcher app there are more steps. Jan 12 04:57:31 yes Jan 12 04:57:38 the idea is for it to do it over EVDO Jan 12 04:58:02 so that I could transfer a file from my Pre here in San Antonio to someone elses Pre in Colorado if I wanted to Jan 12 04:58:02 I like the txt idea, then they click a link in the txt Jan 12 04:58:17 or copy the link in the text and paste it in the program Jan 12 04:58:27 but if we could work it out to be a click that would be better Jan 12 04:58:45 but that is Jack87's idea, I like it... long distance file transfer Jan 12 04:58:54 but neither of us know enough about programming to make it Jan 12 04:59:12 so I figured, throw it out there and see if one of the WHE's in the channel likes it enough to create it Jan 12 05:02:01 is everyone playing quake/vba again? lol Jan 12 05:02:37 dtzWill, ping Jan 12 05:02:56 egaudet: I think he is playing game boy, lol Jan 12 05:03:29 lol Jan 12 05:04:02 grr virtual box sucks lol Jan 12 05:06:08 Toaster89: that is why I have lots of 2GB thumb drived Jan 12 05:06:16 s/drived/drives Jan 12 05:06:24 yeah I have an 8 gb Jan 12 05:06:29 I just install the OS I want onto a thumbdrive Jan 12 05:06:33 then boot from it Jan 12 05:08:16 egaudet: hey Jan 12 05:08:53 how do I rotate the screen again? Jan 12 05:09:01 well the projection or whatnot Jan 12 05:09:06 egaudet: hmm? in general or in the vba code? Jan 12 05:09:39 in the vba code the matrix for landscape is commented out and labelled as such Jan 12 05:10:45 KEYofArgh: Lighty Web Server is in Preware Jan 12 05:11:28 in general Jan 12 05:11:32 dtzWill: I'm interested in your libpng failure Jan 12 05:12:05 rwhitby: it's fixed by a symlink, but if it's not there it complains it can't find libpng Jan 12 05:12:34 hmmm Jan 12 05:12:34 referenced via -lpng and -L/usr/local/lib as you'd expect Jan 12 05:12:41 destinal: ping Jan 12 05:13:08 dtzWill: pastebin of staging/armv7/usr/lib pliease Jan 12 05:13:10 egaudet: ping Jan 12 05:13:39 this is interesting, Palm couldn't charge my card for a game purchase yet I still own it. I think I need to update my card info in the app catalog. Jan 12 05:13:47 egaudet: not sure in general. the reason it's easy for me is that instead of rendering via SDL blitting or some such, i'm using opengl|es, rendering into a texture and drawing the texture Jan 12 05:14:36 who was working on evas in preware/cross-compile.git? was it xcomp? Jan 12 05:14:38 PuffTheMagic, pong Jan 12 05:14:54 dtzWill, I'm using gles Jan 12 05:14:59 egaudet: did you try the evas demo on your pre? Jan 12 05:15:03 so just glRotatef ? Jan 12 05:15:07 PuffTheMagic, no Jan 12 05:15:13 want to? Jan 12 05:15:14 can gdb step into a function of a library? Jan 12 05:15:18 sure Jan 12 05:15:28 Kyusaku you are not the first we know of Jan 12 05:15:30 egaudet: wget http://omploader.org/vMzhlNw -O efl.tar.bz2 Jan 12 05:15:34 egaudet: those are the deps Jan 12 05:15:38 extract in /usr/local/lib Jan 12 05:15:43 egaudet: then let me know Jan 12 05:15:53 when that is done Jan 12 05:16:02 rwhitby: will do, just clobber/stage again since i made the symlink myself. one sec Jan 12 05:16:04 rwhitby, would lighthttpd really be handy for random arbitrary one-file-one-time transfers? Jan 12 05:16:12 back agian Jan 12 05:16:15 damn work Jan 12 05:16:17 dtzWill: did you mess with wes much yet? Jan 12 05:16:46 PuffTheMagic: pong Jan 12 05:16:53 i got binary for u Jan 12 05:17:07 cooool Jan 12 05:17:20 ali1: working on it, getting distracted easily sorry, but that is on my immediate agenda Jan 12 05:17:22 ready when you are Jan 12 05:17:33 thats what this mini http server was I was talking about. it was a thing where you basically say "share this file ..." and thats it, the program outputs a url for you to copy with an oddball portnumber, listens on that port, closes and exits after one transfer Jan 12 05:17:36 rwhitby: did you get my msg about deps for eet? openssl and gnutls (which requires libgcrypt) Jan 12 05:17:39 ehh shit Jan 12 05:17:43 i messed something up Jan 12 05:17:47 few more min Jan 12 05:18:05 did I hear something earlier about a VBA emulator running? Jan 12 05:18:24 CoolMatty, yep dtz did it Jan 12 05:18:37 aight Jan 12 05:19:24 I'd be more intrested in a snes emulator tbh Jan 12 05:19:36 Toaster89: someone's working on that Jan 12 05:19:41 ahh ok Jan 12 05:20:01 dtzWill: libpng fixed Jan 12 05:20:02 I lost the url for CoolMatty Jan 12 05:20:04 we haven't posted any NEW games to preware in what, a week? Jan 12 05:20:17 Our street cred is wearing thin. Jan 12 05:20:31 KEYofArgh: don't tell me that. FIND IT, FOOLS! :D Jan 12 05:20:35 Rick-home: neither has EA ;-) Jan 12 05:20:37 * CoolMatty cries Jan 12 05:20:41 heh Jan 12 05:20:57 Toaster89: I would be more interested in SNES as well, but I never look a gift horse in the mouth, or however that goes Jan 12 05:21:06 yeah but you should be better then EA :D Jan 12 05:21:15 xcomp: do you need just libs or headers too? Jan 12 05:21:26 just headers Jan 12 05:21:33 rwhitby: oh great. stage just finished, sorry. what was the issue? Jan 12 05:21:39 I'll write a "hold the button" game for you, rick, give me 30 minutes :p Jan 12 05:21:53 dtzWill: symlink was not in palm ipk, so we needed to create it Jan 12 05:21:56 dtzWill: do you have a link to your vba emulator stuff? :D Jan 12 05:22:02 it's not required for evas but it will be necessary for some ecore networking functions Jan 12 05:22:04 pretty pretty please? :D Jan 12 05:22:08 rwhitby: ah, kk. cool Jan 12 05:22:22 CoolMatty: http://wdtz.org/files/vba , wget it and run from the command line. WIP/alpha Jan 12 05:22:27 Rick-home: we talkin' about practice Jan 12 05:22:27 ubuntu has gotten alot of details cut out and made alot more user friendly since last time I used it Jan 12 05:22:33 <3 dtz, thanks Jan 12 05:22:34 I kinda like it less :P Jan 12 05:22:51 cd /media/internal ; mkdir vba; cd vba ;wget http://wdtz.org/files/vba ; chmod 755 vba ; wget some-rom.gbc ; vba file.gbc Jan 12 05:22:52 if it crashes I promise I won't blame you :p Jan 12 05:23:07 Toaster89: mandriva. through the years, never too sweet, never too salty Jan 12 05:23:10 :) Jan 12 05:23:25 KEYofArgh: thanks for that, now only if I could copypaste to my pre from my pc >.> Jan 12 05:23:26 always the right balance of user-friendly and flexible Jan 12 05:23:32 CoolMatty: ssh Jan 12 05:23:36 does it have a nice gui? cause the thing about ubuntu is it looks pretty :) Jan 12 05:23:44 Rick-home: not a game, not a game, not a game. We talkin' about practice. Jan 12 05:23:44 stop your silly common sense dtz >.> Jan 12 05:23:44 yes Jan 12 05:23:45 * CoolMatty opens ssh Jan 12 05:23:58 Toaster89: and mandriva was automating stuff long before ubuntu came on the scene Jan 12 05:24:20 suse before that Jan 12 05:24:31 no one touches yast still Jan 12 05:24:58 destinal: egaudet: ok im ready Jan 12 05:24:59 * xcomp remembers loading a mandrake cd into a brand new dell server back in 2000 and watching in amazement as it automatically detected all the hardware and raid controllers and configured them without having to lift a finger Jan 12 05:25:01 so wait, is this a gameboy advance, or is it only playing gb/gbc games right now? Jan 12 05:25:04 I don't enjoy suse for personal boxes though. ubuntu Jan 12 05:25:17 oh you have to buy xcomp? Jan 12 05:25:20 it's just good and solid for production boxes Jan 12 05:25:27 Toaster89: it's free Jan 12 05:25:42 they have a "powerpack" version that comes with non-free software included Jan 12 05:25:48 that you can pay for Jan 12 05:25:51 CoolMatty: plays all three, but gba is slow. Jan 12 05:25:56 ah Jan 12 05:26:00 CoolMatty, it does gbc and gba, but its basically too slow on gba Jan 12 05:26:06 xcomp: no openssl on http://opensource.palm.com/1.3.5/index.html Jan 12 05:26:08 ahh I see Jan 12 05:26:19 will it always be too slow, or is it just because it's still in alpha and not optimized? Jan 12 05:26:26 rwhitby: yeah I was curious about that Jan 12 05:26:35 rwhitby: gnutls and libgcrypt are not listed there either Jan 12 05:26:39 but the libs are there in the rootfs Jan 12 05:27:12 egaudet: !!!!!!!!!!! Jan 12 05:27:13 destinal: !!!!!!!!! Jan 12 05:27:14 openssl license does not require source Jan 12 05:27:34 rwhitby: did you ever run it? Jan 12 05:27:35 ah. but gnutls is GPL isn't it? Jan 12 05:27:39 xcomp: I like how ogg is listed in the gpl licenses pdf file on the device, yet the media player can not play ogg Jan 12 05:27:42 PuffTheMagic: back Jan 12 05:27:55 all my stuff is ogg and flac Jan 12 05:28:06 meh @ the scaling on the vba, but nice playback :D Jan 12 05:28:07 PuffTheMagic: you have binary? Jan 12 05:28:10 PuffTheMagic What what What???? Jan 12 05:28:11 yeah Jan 12 05:28:13 its omploading Jan 12 05:28:14 oh hey i have gdbserver on my pre Jan 12 05:28:17 KEYofArgh: we'll eventually have a native media player Jan 12 05:28:19 Rick-home: the evas demo Jan 12 05:28:28 Rick-home: did you get a chance to run it your self? Jan 12 05:28:30 w00t scummVM is working :S Jan 12 05:28:58 no puff Jan 12 05:29:14 Toaster89: now add keybindings please :-) Jan 12 05:29:24 I'll try to I cant promise anything Jan 12 05:29:24 Hurry up Toaster89! Nao! Jan 12 05:29:27 * psykoz cracks whip ;) Jan 12 05:29:29 I gotta get the gui looking good too lol Jan 12 05:29:39 hows this sound for controls though Jan 12 05:29:46 PuffTheMagic what is evas? Jan 12 05:30:23 Rick-home: evas is this part of this amazing library (similar to qt/gtk) Jan 12 05:30:26 enlightenment answer to QT/GTK Jan 12 05:30:32 Rick-home: it works with SDL and OPENGL Jan 12 05:30:35 gesture area up or down(doesnt matter) change betwee right and left mouse click and then orange key for escape? Jan 12 05:30:35 Rick-home: and its all in C Jan 12 05:30:40 finally, proper tetris on the pre :D Jan 12 05:30:42 destinal: LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib ./expedite -e sdl -datadir data Jan 12 05:30:44 KEYofArgh: evas is not a widget toolkit Jan 12 05:30:48 destinal: that is what you are donna run Jan 12 05:30:51 common misconception Jan 12 05:30:57 evas is an object-oriented canvas Jan 12 05:31:06 destinal: wget http://omploader.org/vMzhmNA -O expedite.tar.bz2 Jan 12 05:31:12 egaudet: ^^ Jan 12 05:31:25 bitmap based as opposed to vector-based Jan 12 05:31:37 there are widget toolkits that are based on evas Jan 12 05:31:40 notably elementary Jan 12 05:31:56 Rick-home: i am gonna start making some apps using evas Jan 12 05:32:03 Rick-home: you shoudl check out how slick and sexy it is Jan 12 05:32:21 Rick-home: the demo i just built is using software-sdl Jan 12 05:32:45 Rick-home: so after seeing it, you can imagine how much better it would be with a GLES backend Jan 12 05:33:04 PuffTheMagic I'm glad your happy. Let me understand just to be sure. Jan 12 05:33:57 You have a new graphics rendering library which is written in C which makes you happy, and which is lightweight enough to be fast on an embedded system, and now you can write cool new programs which use this graphic libraries APIs to draw the graphics for the programs you want to write. ... I think. Jan 12 05:33:57 rwhitby: looks like the version of gcrypt needed is 1.4.4 Jan 12 05:34:00 Congratulations. Jan 12 05:34:17 Rick-home: exactly right Jan 12 05:34:48 * Rick-home wanders off again, looking for someone who has written a word-processor that runs in linux that isn't x-11.... Jan 12 05:34:58 lol Jan 12 05:35:12 Rick-home: you want an SDL word processor? Jan 12 05:35:18 * Rick-home thinks that if only he had dos-box he could run word 6, or wordperfect, or wordstar or something. Jan 12 05:35:40 Rick-home: oh, uh, I guess I should package that up Jan 12 05:36:01 * Rick-home thinks that if docs-to-go had written what they promised when they promised it he wouldn't be so distraught. Jan 12 05:36:09 libevas-ver-pre-svn-05.so.0 Jan 12 05:36:26 docs to go needs to get released pronto Jan 12 05:36:26 destinal you mean you got dos-box working, and DID NOT PACKAGE IT? Jan 12 05:36:34 well, someone should get to porting openoffice.org to webos, stat Jan 12 05:36:39 * Rick-home goes and looks up where destinal lives. Jan 12 05:36:45 Rick-home: well, puff did but he sent me his patch Jan 12 05:36:47 xcomp x-11 first. Jan 12 05:37:00 THANK YOU PUFF Jan 12 05:37:01 it was an easy replace HWSURFACE with SWSURFACE somewhere that I missed Jan 12 05:37:08 egaudet: did i miss that lib? Jan 12 05:37:10 really boneheaded thing to miss Jan 12 05:37:18 oh ho ho it does play gba games Jan 12 05:37:36 * Rick-home thinks that if we posted dosbox to preware that we might well hit the front page of precentral again.... Jan 12 05:37:38 we said it doid Jan 12 05:37:46 Hey, it says it's missing a configuration file, which makes sense. is there any documentation anywhere for where you ported this from, on configuration settings? I wanna try and speed up GBA Jan 12 05:37:50 PuffTheMagic: the lib is there but not found in /usr/local/lib Jan 12 05:37:53 just depending on the game it's unplayable Jan 12 05:37:54 because of path Jan 12 05:38:07 If I get a good INI for you guys I'll post it up Jan 12 05:38:19 although of course, GameBoy emulators will push it off in a moment or two and dosbox will be confined to a mere "and in other news..." Jan 12 05:38:20 destinal: LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib ./expedite -e sdl -datadir data Jan 12 05:38:21 egaudet: LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib ./expedite -e sdl -datadir data Jan 12 05:38:23 did u do that? Jan 12 05:38:24 PuffTheMagic: right Jan 12 05:38:44 PuffTheMagic: libevas-ver-pre-svn-05.so.0 is not on the device by default Jan 12 05:38:54 rwhitby: right.... Jan 12 05:39:15 destinal is the dosbox code up in git? Jan 12 05:39:15 sad, pulseaudio is using 15% of the pre's CPU just playing this GBA game Jan 12 05:39:19 rwhitby: i gave them the libs already Jan 12 05:39:47 PuffTheMagic: awesome Jan 12 05:39:48 PuffTheMagic: gotcha, my bad. Jan 12 05:40:00 destinal: running? Jan 12 05:40:06 dangit, so many dependencies in this gnutls chain Jan 12 05:40:12 libgcrypt apparently requires libgpg Jan 12 05:40:26 PuffTheMagic: yes it runs Jan 12 05:40:32 PuffTheMagic: it definitely could use gl-es Jan 12 05:40:44 but most things are ok without it Jan 12 05:41:03 destinal: well some of those things are crazy that its doing Jan 12 05:41:08 unrealistic Jan 12 05:41:11 for anything we would do Jan 12 05:41:20 rotating cube is cool even in software Jan 12 05:41:23 yeah Jan 12 05:41:45 hmm with curse of monkey island I get some Woble library compiled support needed! Jan 12 05:41:49 anyone built an openGL teapot yet Jan 12 05:41:53 can't live without it Jan 12 05:42:03 Rick-home: ok, I'll fix up the git repo here, sorry Jan 12 05:42:07 Rick-home, docs.google.com hehe Jan 12 05:42:31 KEYofArgh if you can get gears running on my pre so that I can use google docs off line, fine. Jan 12 05:42:34 destinal: did you see the demo with the glass reflections? Jan 12 05:42:50 Image Map 3D Flow Jan 12 05:42:55 rwhitby: did you try the demo Jan 12 05:42:59 need a link to the libs? Jan 12 05:43:12 destinal: quality scale is impressive too Jan 12 05:43:44 PuffTheMagic: got it thanks, just setting up a bind mount for /usr/local Jan 12 05:44:06 ... what do I do with this thing? Jan 12 05:44:06 :O I have the new game window for monkey island 3 Jan 12 05:44:19 console is in the bloody way though Jan 12 05:44:22 where is brightness unlinked btw Jan 12 05:44:23 egaudet: its just a demo, use z/x to select from different demos Jan 12 05:44:29 it's in ah, preware no? Jan 12 05:44:31 it just shows off some of what evas can do Jan 12 05:44:55 destinal: testblock basic is cool Jan 12 05:45:01 morning Jan 12 05:46:13 hey, we talk about "free tether", that was for 6 hours Jan 12 05:46:56 where can i find the installation guide for it? Jan 12 05:47:22 KarotteXexe: there is none. It's alpha test software. Jan 12 05:47:45 alpha testers are expected to write the end user documentation Jan 12 05:47:52 rwhitby: for packages that need patches, have you been putting a patch in the repo and apply it in the makefile or extract all the source and put it in the repo? Jan 12 05:48:26 destinal: in general, the former is preferred. but for expedience, we have been doing the latter in a separate repo for some. Jan 12 05:48:40 ok, is it important which ipk im installing at first? Jan 12 05:48:47 no Jan 12 05:49:23 is ther something that i havt to note? Jan 12 05:49:25 destinal: e.g. jacques put a patch in the repo for libGLUES Jan 12 05:49:30 *have Jan 12 05:50:03 figured out how to exit out of scummVM via console :P Jan 12 05:51:03 supports the scummVM "monkey island"? Jan 12 05:51:17 Thats the plan :) Jan 12 05:51:21 man ... God bless scratchbox and whoever wrote it Jan 12 05:51:30 juhu :) Jan 12 05:51:49 xcomp: have you seen how to create new packages/*/Makefile files? Jan 12 05:51:55 I got the new game screen loaded up but the console for scummVM pops up and I dont know how to get rid of it yet Jan 12 05:51:56 lol Jan 12 05:52:19 ali1: do you have status of wes? i'm trying it now and i don't see anything--its runs, though. is that expected? Jan 12 05:52:26 (that's fine, i can start tackling WHY just wondering) Jan 12 05:52:46 rwhitby: not sure what you're referring to Jan 12 05:53:18 ali1: but if it's supposed to work then it's a different sort of debugging :) Jan 12 05:53:48 xcomp: new makefiles for staging libs - it's quite easy to do Jan 12 05:54:11 hey, i heard that i cant develop app's for the palm in C, is that right? Jan 12 05:54:18 rwhitby: oh, please show me Jan 12 05:54:19 *can Jan 12 05:54:35 KarotteXexe yes Jan 12 05:54:57 xcomp: you're got preware/cross-compile.git, right? Jan 12 05:54:59 KarotteXexe go to webos-internals.org and click on the big link at the top for the pdk Jan 12 05:55:01 yes Jan 12 05:55:04 is C ++ avialbe too? Jan 12 05:55:14 KarotteXexe yes Jan 12 05:55:32 nice! then i will develop too Jan 12 05:55:33 xcomp: take a look at packages/*/Makefile - perhaps libsdl-vnc to start Jan 12 05:55:43 love c ++ Jan 12 05:56:00 speaking of which, I should probably do a git merge Jan 12 05:56:12 last i checked sdl-vnc was in nonworking Jan 12 05:56:22 xcomp: git pull Jan 12 05:56:48 hey dtz, quick question, is the screen being stretched to the full window regardless of what VBA may be outputting? Jan 12 05:56:52 ahm, is there a microphone-app for palm Pre ? Jan 12 05:56:56 rwhitby: oh yeah, good call -- no that I have a key Jan 12 05:57:03 lest i overwrite something Jan 12 05:57:08 I'm trying to shrink the size down but I wasn't sure if disabling fullscreen and such were going to have an effect Jan 12 05:58:17 rwhitby: looks innocent enough. I'll create for each of the libs as I process them Jan 12 05:59:11 xcomp: excellent - I'll be happy to help you if anything is not clear. no doco, but I expect you'll be able to suss it out easily. Jan 12 05:59:12 xcomp: yo Jan 12 05:59:27 ok, have to go to school. by Jan 12 05:59:46 xcomp: i will have some efl ipks in preware soon Jan 12 05:59:56 awww phone reset :( Jan 12 05:59:59 xcomp: i just got expedite built using my gentoo setup Jan 12 06:00:12 xcomp: and i patched it up like the changes you made Jan 12 06:00:38 xcomp: expedite might even go in preware to get peoples mouths watering Jan 12 06:00:41 PuffTheMagic: i'm working on getting them into the repo in buildable form for everyone Jan 12 06:00:50 hahahah VICTORY Jan 12 06:01:04 almost playable framerates in GBA now Jan 12 06:01:11 (turned sound off) Jan 12 06:01:19 xcomp: well i cant wait for that :D Jan 12 06:01:21 once that is done next step is to try to create a somewhat useful app to serve as a real demo Jan 12 06:01:33 since expedite is more of a benchmark tool than an actual demo app Jan 12 06:03:12 xcomp: if there is any package that will break the build, but you want to commit it for someone else to help anyway, put it in nonworking/... Jan 12 06:03:22 xcomp: i have real apps on the way :D Jan 12 06:03:28 hmm what opens a .o or object code file? Jan 12 06:03:38 xcomp: ithink expedite is a great demo Jan 12 06:03:45 Toaster89: a linker Jan 12 06:04:38 rwhitby: I suspect that the libtool issue I'm seeing is peculiar to my setup Jan 12 06:05:10 honestly I could just add a cp `which libtool` . to the Makefile Jan 12 06:05:17 but it may not be necessary anyways Jan 12 06:05:36 xcomp: why are you having such an libtool issue? Jan 12 06:05:48 xcomp: did you run libtoolize? Jan 12 06:06:00 CoolMatty: patch? (git push?) that was on my todo to rip out the sound processing and make it a toggle. Jan 12 06:06:12 PuffTheMagic: the version of libtool installed on my system (2.2.x) is different from the one in cross-compile (1.5.26) Jan 12 06:06:21 actually I made a .cfg for vba, dtz. since it didn't have one. Jan 12 06:06:33 I can send it to you when I'm done, I'd like to tweak this some more Jan 12 06:06:35 CoolMatty, nice Jan 12 06:06:40 CoolMatty: kk sounds good. :) :D Jan 12 06:06:44 xcomp: so what is the problem? Jan 12 06:06:47 want the cfg too when it's up Jan 12 06:06:48 xcomp: i use 2.2.x also Jan 12 06:06:49 xcomp: are you running libtool inside the scratchbox? Jan 12 06:06:57 right now I'm trying ot figure out why none of the video settings do anything Jan 12 06:07:05 oh Jan 12 06:07:06 haha Jan 12 06:07:08 no matter what I set, it always stretches to card Jan 12 06:07:11 rwhitby: yes, but somehow configure ends up pulling the 2.2.x version of libtool into the directory Jan 12 06:07:12 dude, ask the developer Jan 12 06:07:13 is that cause of SDL? Jan 12 06:07:18 instead of the version that is in sb2 Jan 12 06:07:29 CoolMatty: it's b/c i wrote the rendering code and and all the options it has regarding video are gone Jan 12 06:07:31 I don't know why that is happening Jan 12 06:07:46 xcomp: did the sb2-init build libtool correctly? Jan 12 06:07:47 CoolMatty: sorry to waste your time, it's an alpha--so command line option friendliness didn't make the cut yet :):) Jan 12 06:07:52 rwhitby: yes, no errors Jan 12 06:07:59 dtzWill: oh that's fine, I just didn't know :p Jan 12 06:08:12 rwhitby: and the libtool in sb2 works perfectly fine as soon as I overwrite the faulty version with it Jan 12 06:08:14 I thought it was something more serious than that :p Jan 12 06:08:52 xcomp: not some config.cache thing ? Jan 12 06:09:06 CoolMatty: to be clear it probably won't ever support those options. editing a cfg isn't something we want users doing anyway--i'll probably have a toggle for portrait/landscape, and stretched or just scaled. maybe a toggle for some filtering effects if i feel up to it Jan 12 06:09:33 rwhitby: happens on fresh svn pulls Jan 12 06:09:50 xcomp: edje requires lua (which i am having trouble building0 Jan 12 06:09:53 have fun with that Jan 12 06:10:48 * xcomp is trying to figure out how to install headers in gnutls Jan 12 06:10:59 dtzWill: oh well obviously that would be ideal. I meant supporting the ability to remove scaling and such. Basically I'm just looking for ways to improve the speed to use as a default :p Jan 12 06:11:01 jacques: glues-demos works nicely - especially not needing to specify LD_LIBRARY_PATH ;-) Jan 12 06:11:16 rwhitby: eh? Jan 12 06:11:17 warning: You did not specify any refspecs to push, and the current remote Jan 12 06:11:17 warning: has not configured any push refspecs. The default action in this Jan 12 06:11:26 rwhitby: heh. phear the spheres Jan 12 06:11:40 ironically though, borderOn works (turning on super gameboy border), but it's still disporpotioned haha Jan 12 06:11:45 rwhitby: speaking of lib path, do we have to change --prefix to avoid library path errors? Jan 12 06:11:53 *lib path issues Jan 12 06:11:55 Rick-home: I got dosbox set up but cannot push Jan 12 06:12:02 btw is the evas stuff in git somewhere? Jan 12 06:12:09 dtzWill: working on it Jan 12 06:12:17 it'll be in there soon Jan 12 06:12:23 destinal why not? Jan 12 06:12:29 xcomp: kk, just wasn't sure. looking forward to it, good work :D Jan 12 06:12:31 xcomp: yes Jan 12 06:12:34 you do Jan 12 06:12:35 Rick-home: the error above Jan 12 06:12:48 destinal: did you clone first? Jan 12 06:12:52 xcomp: you are supposed to check ./configure --help Jan 12 06:12:53 ;) Jan 12 06:12:54 rwhitby: yes Jan 12 06:13:11 oh but I cloned with the wrong URL Jan 12 06:13:13 PuffTheMagic: I helped develop the damn libs, I know how to use ./configure :) Jan 12 06:13:17 with the :// Jan 12 06:13:17 that will do it Jan 12 06:13:32 xcomp: ;) Jan 12 06:13:33 So, anyone who wants to see the PowerVR SGX 530 OpenGL ES-CM 1.1 demos, do the following: Jan 12 06:13:40 okay dtzWill, rather than send you a 1 line cfg file (since all other methods of speeding up you've removed ;) ), just throw this in a VisualBoyAdvance.cfg file and place it in the same dir as ./vba: Jan 12 06:13:47 soundOff=1 Jan 12 06:13:52 that's all it takes :p Jan 12 06:13:53 1) git clone git@git.webosinternals.org:preware/cross-compile.git Jan 12 06:13:58 2) cd cross-compile Jan 12 06:14:05 3) make Jan 12 06:14:07 CoolMatty: i'll just update it in the code. it wasn't clear to me that that disabled sound emulation, just sound playback. Jan 12 06:14:15 CoolMatty: BUT if that speeds it up, then sweet Jan 12 06:14:21 oh it's like a 2x improvement Jan 12 06:14:29 CoolMatty: the reason i was going to do it in code is so the user can select it Jan 12 06:14:32 and pulseaudio is 0 when it's running, so it's definitely off Jan 12 06:14:34 * xcomp is apparently blind. There is an includes dir Jan 12 06:14:35 rwhitby: I know, I cloned withe the git:// URL and I'd rather not redo it from scratch Jan 12 06:14:50 destinal: u dont need to Jan 12 06:14:52 4) cp staging/arm7/usr/lib/libGLUES_CM.so root@pre:/usr/local/lib/ Jan 12 06:14:52 CoolMatty: it should be about a 33% speedup judging from pulseaudio's stupidness Jan 12 06:15:03 dtzWill: that's fine, I know. I'm just trying to help you tweak it for speed :p Jan 12 06:15:12 CoolMatty: wonderful, tyvm Jan 12 06:15:15 PuffTheMagic: easiest way to change push URL? Jan 12 06:15:17 I tried some frameskip settings but they're actually pretty bad >.> Jan 12 06:15:25 destinal: vim .git/configure Jan 12 06:15:26 5) cp packages/glues-demos/build/src/sdltests/sdl_mipmap root@pre:/usr/local/bin/ Jan 12 06:15:30 CoolMatty: thanks for confirming pulseaudio. also i think autoframeskip is on byd efault Jan 12 06:15:34 5) cp packages/glues-demos/build/src/sdltests/sdl_cylinder root@pre:/usr/local/bin/ Jan 12 06:15:40 sorry been doing so many options not sur what i've set the defaults as now :) Jan 12 06:16:16 sdl_mipmap and sdl_cylinder are nice OpenGL demos Jan 12 06:16:19 actually I'd say it's off right now, from what you sent me. Jan 12 06:16:28 rwhitby: glues builds? :D sorry for interrupting you instructions :). Jan 12 06:16:28 (courtesy of jacques, building in the repo) Jan 12 06:16:31 CoolMatty: maybe i'll check Jan 12 06:16:41 when you turn it on, the smoothness disappears (and it did not help audio at all either) Jan 12 06:16:41 dtzWill: yep Jan 12 06:16:57 dtzWill: commited by jacques, build replicated here. Jan 12 06:17:58 jacques: my sdl_mipmap says 44FPS Jan 12 06:18:24 rwhitby: strange, I get like 72 on mipmap Jan 12 06:18:26 ok so git clone git@git.webosinternals.org:preware/cross-compile.git seems to hang Jan 12 06:18:34 but 36 on cylinder Jan 12 06:18:38 destinal: webos-internals Jan 12 06:18:59 rwhitby: heh, good luck building openssl, which doesn't use gnu autoconf and requires you to explicitly specify os and compiler to configure :) Jan 12 06:19:02 rwhitby: lol I copied and pasted it from what you typed above :) Jan 12 06:19:12 rwhitby: make sure you card and discard it quickly if you want an accurate FPS, otherwise the average goes way down because of the card time Jan 12 06:19:13 that'll teach me to be lazy Jan 12 06:19:30 destinal: oops, my bad Jan 12 06:19:48 hmm, I guess linux-elf will work just fine Jan 12 06:20:52 rwhitby: I believe you left out the bind mount of /var/local in your instructions above Jan 12 06:21:05 jacques: indeed. Jan 12 06:21:05 dtzWill: sorry i was trying stuff Jan 12 06:21:18 were you running test? Jan 12 06:21:32 jacques: so, now we need to work out how best to package and release this stuff Jan 12 06:21:57 ali1: well i'm executing it if that's waht you mean :) haha. Jan 12 06:22:03 Rick-home: ok, try building dosbox from packages -- it should be *working* Jan 12 06:22:23 dtzWill: do you have the data directory with the glass.bmp file in it? Jan 12 06:22:24 do we just have a single org.webosinternals.pdk package, which does the bind mount in an upstart script, and has all the libraries? or do we have separate packages for each library? Jan 12 06:23:03 rwhitby: yeah, I guess ppl want to just touch an icon rather than login to run the demos :-) Jan 12 06:23:29 package per lib would be better I think Jan 12 06:23:48 or per "package of libs" (some packages might include multipl related libs) Jan 12 06:24:20 I think the number / aggregate size of libs will quickly balloon Jan 12 06:24:23 I'm stuck :P Jan 12 06:24:36 and not everyone has a 2GiB /var :-) Jan 12 06:24:55 jacques: now, do we store the libs themselves in /usr/local/ bind mounted from /var/local/, or do we keep the libs in /media/cryptofs/.... app dir and then just put symlinks in /var/local back to there? Jan 12 06:25:01 I guess all the libs packages depend on the one which makes the bind mount Jan 12 06:25:17 jacques: yep, that one will be org.webosinternals.pdk Jan 12 06:25:59 rwI haven't thought through the implications of /var vs /media/cryptofs - right now I don't have a strong preference Jan 12 06:26:18 I think we need to use cryptofs for the real storage area, and /var for just symlinks Jan 12 06:26:41 for the general case it's kinda sounding like /media/cryptofs ... if we can makeit work due to the limitations of the underlying fs Jan 12 06:26:51 rwhitby: but why not mkdir /usr/local and put the symlinks there? Jan 12 06:27:12 destinal: rootfs is much smaller space than /var Jan 12 06:27:13 ali1: yep. i didn't look too hard at that yet, i just wanted to know if it was supposed to work :) Jan 12 06:27:20 too small for symbolic links? Jan 12 06:27:32 destinal: we're *very* wary of putting too much stuff in /, due to the integrity check stuff Jan 12 06:27:35 dtzWill: it is :( Jan 12 06:27:42 destinal: with the bind mount we never even have to make / writable Jan 12 06:28:16 (well we do to put the upstart sctipr in there, but that's a one time things) Jan 12 06:28:20 destinal: yeah, the less we rw/ro / the better, due to that weird mount busy bug we still haven't tracked down Jan 12 06:29:11 don't we need to edit ld.so.conf / ldconfig etc if we're going to point at /var something? Jan 12 06:29:25 destinal: nope, cause it's bind mounted at /usr/local Jan 12 06:29:40 oh is there already a directory there? Jan 12 06:29:44 destinal: yep Jan 12 06:30:02 (and even if there wasn't, we'd create one in org.webosinternals.pdk postinst) Jan 12 06:30:05 so we just have to make root writable long enough to edit fstab Jan 12 06:30:23 destinal: no, not fstab - can't touch palm files. Jan 12 06:30:31 rwhitby: event.d bindmount then? Jan 12 06:30:32 destinal: we do the bind mount in upstart script Jan 12 06:30:34 just to put the upstart script in place Jan 12 06:30:42 yeah Jan 12 06:30:43 destinal: just like optware does Jan 12 06:30:47 ok Jan 12 06:30:57 this technique is already well proven for months in optware Jan 12 06:31:15 I guess I never noticed when we switched from fstab to upstart. lol. Jan 12 06:31:26 dtzWill: yeah I'll clarify what I'm seeing right now. There's definitely a significant improvement with sound off, but we're still looking at maybe 60% emulation speed Jan 12 06:31:29 destinal: seamless transition ;-) Jan 12 06:31:56 use dsp for sound :D Jan 12 06:32:11 Rick-home: have you been able to build dosbox? Jan 12 06:32:15 jacques: I'll get org.webosinternals.pdk into preware asap Jan 12 06:32:52 rwhitby: cool, I'll be up for another 2-3 hours. Jan 12 06:33:16 rwhitby: I skipped nonworking since it worked first time.. hope nobody minds :P Jan 12 06:34:00 destinal: if it works, it works :-) Jan 12 06:34:11 I think nonworking is for things which don't build or don't work at all Jan 12 06:34:13 bad joke, nevermind Jan 12 06:35:15 I think it could be improved by forcing the scalar off (someone can edit their config also) Jan 12 06:35:20 s/scalar/scaler/ Jan 12 06:35:20 destinal meant: I think it could be improved by forcing the scaler off (someone can edit their config also) Jan 12 06:35:28 we need a webos-internals pdk icon Jan 12 06:35:28 I'm at a loss lol Jan 12 06:35:30 but run it does Jan 12 06:35:51 tux with a plug which fits into the socket of Palm's PDK icon Jan 12 06:35:51 if I'd only found that swsurface before CES. oh well, what's done is done. Jan 12 06:35:58 monkey island 3 is really close to running Jan 12 06:36:03 but its missing a library. Jan 12 06:36:16 destinal: it still runs like poop Jan 12 06:36:25 PuffTheMagic: have you tried with scaler off? Jan 12 06:36:36 destinal: that is default Jan 12 06:36:44 dtzWill: nice job on the port though man, it's exciting to play ye olde tetris on the pre :D Jan 12 06:37:04 PuffTheMagic: oh, I guess you're right Jan 12 06:37:35 PuffTheMagic: not sure what we can do to further optimize but I'm sure there are things Jan 12 06:37:57 get mr bigshot dtzWill to get port it to GLES Jan 12 06:38:20 I want to get him to WRITE UP a simple example of how to port anything to gles Jan 12 06:38:27 rwhitby: i'm depending on pkg-config for gnutls and openssl Jan 12 06:38:30 I guess I could just look at the diffs Jan 12 06:39:19 destinal: BTW, with bind mounts, I can make it so new libs packages don't need postinsts ;-) Jan 12 06:40:41 rwhitby: once I might have worried about rogue ipk's overwriting our lib dirs for takeover of the pre, but with what ipk's can do now, it's not a big deal :) Jan 12 06:41:07 CoolMatty: you hopefully can do more than play tetris :D. turn-based games work particularly well. need a rom save state/load state auto-resume feature and we're set :D Jan 12 06:41:14 err and lots of other features hewhe Jan 12 06:41:58 dtzWill: do you mind at some point writing an article on a simple port, to help the rest of us learn to make SDL stuff use GL-ES ? Jan 12 06:42:03 destinal: i can do what you asked--i had intended to make what i did a library for myself and others to use. Jan 12 06:42:10 do we want a profile script for the PDK? /usr/local/bin is already in the path Jan 12 06:42:31 dtzWill: source first, doco later ;-0 Jan 12 06:42:36 destinal: i don't know that it's 100% applicible but surely. i'm still working on parts of it though hehe Jan 12 06:42:38 dtzWill: a lot of the software rendered stuff has ugly artifacts Jan 12 06:42:48 and could be faster Jan 12 06:43:25 rwhitby: what would be the kosher way to specify PKG_CONFIG_PATH=${PREFIX}/lib/pkgconfig in the Makefile? Jan 12 06:43:31 destinal: hmm. that's interesting that it has *artifacts*. speed gles could help with, depending on the application (hopefully i can make it a nice lib you can use so even if ti's a small gain it's a "why not" kinda deal) Jan 12 06:43:42 rwhitby: given that PREFIX isn't explicitly defined Jan 12 06:43:56 xcomp: our prefix is /usr/local in the scratchbox Jan 12 06:43:59 dtzWill: check out dosbox Jan 12 06:44:03 rwhitby: ok, so just hardcode it Jan 12 06:44:30 dtzWill: if you pull to current cross-compile.git and make, copy it over and run, you'll see what i mean Jan 12 06:44:43 destinal: sure ting Jan 12 06:44:44 *thing Jan 12 06:44:55 looks like small lines of dots occasionally Jan 12 06:44:59 not sure why Jan 12 06:45:19 oh could it be b/c it's no duble-buffered? i'll take a look Jan 12 06:45:33 *not, since there's no HWSURFACE Jan 12 06:45:39 right, pre doesn't support double buffer or hwsurface right? Jan 12 06:46:03 rwhitby: one more thing, is DEPENDS a comma separated list? Jan 12 06:46:46 xcomp: space separated Jan 12 06:46:54 thanks Jan 12 06:47:03 jacques: org.webosinternals.pdk is in the testing feed, untested. Jan 12 06:47:27 destinal: yep, presumably that got disabled in the patch. i'll look. Jan 12 06:48:14 rwhitby: you probably want me to do something other than manually download and install the org.webosinternals.pdk .ipk right? Jan 12 06:48:36 jacques: if you have the testing feed in preware, you can just install it from there Jan 12 06:50:00 rwhitby: how do I get the testing feed? new version of preware ? Jan 12 06:50:08 We probably need a webos-internals-testing-feed-bootstrap script Jan 12 06:50:36 well I'm done for tonight :P Jan 12 06:50:49 rwhitby: :-) Jan 12 06:51:13 rwhitby: hmm...it seems eet doesn't need openssl if gnutls and libgcrypt are present Jan 12 06:52:07 jacques: http://webos.pastebin.com/f827dc80 Jan 12 06:52:07 if only frets on fire weren't in python, pygame, that's a lot of deps Jan 12 06:52:55 I got bass to work Jan 12 06:54:15 jacques: seems to work Jan 12 06:54:54 rwhitby: OK trying... Jan 12 06:55:54 rwhitby: clobber'd build doesn't work for me, fails linking to GLES_CM in glues-demos---removing that directory, letting everything else go, and putting it back works. Jan 12 06:56:10 rwhitby: i'd fix it but i don't fully know how this works, and libpng was a 3 second fix before :). Jan 12 06:56:32 jacques: did you forget a DEPENDS ? Jan 12 06:57:37 dtzWill: glues-demos/Makefile needs a DEPENDS = libGLUES_CM Jan 12 06:57:46 rwhitby: yes I did Jan 12 06:58:13 OK I have testig feed now - that was easy Jan 12 06:58:26 rwhitby: kk ty Jan 12 06:58:58 Yeah I give up for tonight I got as far as loading the monkey island 3 new game screen but it crashes after if you try anything. Jan 12 06:59:22 Toaster89: getting ramped up is half the effort. nicely done. Jan 12 06:59:51 rwhitby: where should I find the org.webosinternals.pdk in preware ? (I have testing feed now) Jan 12 07:00:05 do I need to update preware and the ipkg service ? Jan 12 07:00:20 jacques: list of everything, type "pdk" Jan 12 07:01:09 heh it's right at top of everything list Jan 12 07:01:52 rwhitby: Thanks! :) Jan 12 07:02:02 hmm, I wonder if I should have removed my manual bind mount first Jan 12 07:02:16 jacques: heh, probably. a reboot will fix it Jan 12 07:02:33 oh well it just submerged my manual mount Jan 12 07:02:45 dive dive dive Jan 12 07:03:10 PDK is in public Preware feed now Jan 12 07:03:10 rwhitby: should libGLUES_CM.so already be in /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/local ? Jan 12 07:03:14 because it is Jan 12 07:03:33 jacques: bind mount Jan 12 07:03:56 for ease of installation - no need to copy stuff, just package it as /usr/local and it magically gets to the right place Jan 12 07:04:27 * rwhitby is quite proud of that little convenience mount .. Jan 12 07:04:42 seems pretty sweet so far Jan 12 07:05:26 jacques: so in the ipkg, you put the lib in /usr/palm/applications//... as normal, then also package symlinks to it in /usr/local/lib Jan 12 07:05:42 dtzWill: hmm, I have an SDL GL game that uses GL_QUADS GL_QUAD_STRIP GL_TRIANGLE_FAN GL_TRIANGLES GL_TRIANGLE_STRIP Jan 12 07:05:42 .. wonder how much work it is going to be to port to gl-es Jan 12 07:05:57 that convenience bind mount makes the symlinks end up in /var/local/lib, which are then visible to the -rpath in /usr/local/lib Jan 12 07:06:24 nice Jan 12 07:06:25 no need for postinst Jan 12 07:06:35 destinal: big pain maybe. ali1 (and me, when i have time!) are looking at nanoGL, and what looks more promising wesGL to emualte openGL for you Jan 12 07:06:45 destinal: to aid in porting gl apps :D. Jan 12 07:06:47 dtzWill: it's this ball maze game http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgqPmGoI45c Jan 12 07:07:13 dtzWill: I think with using the pre's accelerometers it could be cool but it was abandoned at beta phase so it'll need some work Jan 12 07:07:18 not to mention porting Jan 12 07:07:28 i'm putting all my chips in wesGL honestly Jan 12 07:07:43 destinal: that would be an awesome demo Jan 12 07:07:57 ali1: do you have anything using wesGL yet? Jan 12 07:08:08 completely put to shame all the similar apps in homebrew and app catalog Jan 12 07:08:22 just the test program that comes with it Jan 12 07:08:38 ali1: i agree, wesGL looks like a good bet, lots more legit than the nanoGL that was written just for quake Jan 12 07:08:46 bonus this uses gl es 2.0 so lots more cpu friendly Jan 12 07:08:51 dtzWill: rwhitby: thread with code and background is here http://comp.uark.edu/~uagdc/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=319 Jan 12 07:08:52 i'm trying to make the testgl program from teh sdl sources work with it Jan 12 07:08:58 ali1: is the test program in cross-compile.git ? Jan 12 07:09:10 I'll look at it some more tomorrow, got it to build on host linux box but I'm not staged enough Jan 12 07:09:15 I guess I could just look ... Jan 12 07:09:16 to build it in SB2 Jan 12 07:09:23 no its in libraries/gl-wes-v2 Jan 12 07:09:39 btw if anyone's interested i'm in the process of porting openbor. has anyone heard of it/cares about it? Jan 12 07:09:40 ali1: OK Jan 12 07:09:53 its a game engine for fighting games, sounded like a nice idea :) Jan 12 07:09:55 in the mean time, good night all Jan 12 07:10:04 destinal: what's the licensing on that? Jan 12 07:10:07 `night destinal-sleep Jan 12 07:10:08 night destinal Jan 12 07:10:10 example of one such game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iA0fWpJ5PHs Jan 12 07:10:27 rwhitby: GPLv2 Jan 12 07:10:57 :) Jan 12 07:11:27 WillJitsu: keb stopped working for a few days, had issue of phone signing out of palm profile and resetting everything again.. happened enough times Jan 12 07:11:33 oh my that's old Jan 12 07:12:28 jacques: BTW, I've created http://bit.ly/testing-feed Jan 12 07:12:44 (just that pastbin) Jan 12 07:12:56 rwhitby: is that how you add the testing feed to preware? Jan 12 07:13:06 infobot testing-feed is http://bit.ly/testing-feed Jan 12 07:13:07 gkatsev: yep Jan 12 07:13:16 rwhitby: sweet. Jan 12 07:13:23 will do it tomorrow, need to sleep now Jan 12 07:13:24 rwhitby: make stage for freetype doesn't install freetype2.pc Jan 12 07:13:25 ~night Jan 12 07:13:39 jacques: infobot is dead Jan 12 07:13:40 hey, where is infobot Jan 12 07:13:54 gkatsev: what happened? Jan 12 07:14:01 yep, its dead. not on #infobot either Jan 12 07:14:20 :-\ Jan 12 07:14:22 xcomp: feel free to add it Jan 12 07:14:53 jacques: yeah, idk why. Jan 12 07:15:00 anyway, night all Jan 12 07:15:07 `night gkatsev Jan 12 07:15:33 So there's been very little gnashing of teeth from .eu over the 1.3.5.2 upgrade - it must be going smoothly. Jan 12 07:17:43 * dtzWill updates to the preware testing feed Jan 12 07:19:55 maybe 1.3.5.2 fixes the migration issues the 1.3.5 update had Jan 12 07:20:32 If I change the config file do I have to rebuild? cause it keeps saying nothing has changed. :P Jan 12 07:23:06 Toaster89: make clobber Jan 12 07:23:22 Toaster89: (assuming your talking about preware/cross-compile) Jan 12 07:23:46 thanks that worked :D Jan 12 07:24:02 compiling new scummVM now I think this one might fix the problem Jan 12 07:24:37 it wasent enabling alot of libs that are needed for certain games :P Jan 12 07:25:14 I can't believe how incredibly bad the interviewer is in http://www.precentral.net/jon-rubinstein-sits-down-kara-swisher-ces Jan 12 07:25:44 Is this Kara Swisher some famous interviewer in America? Jan 12 07:26:21 Never heard of her Jan 12 07:26:57 nor have I Jan 12 07:27:27 Watching the vid I have never seen her ever.. Jan 12 07:31:01 borg queen lol Jan 12 07:31:17 its true she does look like the borg queen from stv Jan 12 07:32:47 alice krige Jan 12 07:36:34 rwhitby: swisher is a founder of D along with Mossberg Jan 12 07:36:44 rwhitby: It seems to have given her delusions of grandeur. Jan 12 07:37:10 freakout: incredible delusion - she has no grandeur at all that I can see Jan 12 07:37:12 still errors hmm Jan 12 07:37:18 rwhitby: lol Jan 12 07:37:31 * freakout is still waiting to get his own interview with Ruby Jan 12 07:37:43 seriously, if I was Ruby I would have slapped her Jan 12 07:37:47 But you know who's even harder to chase down? Ed Colligan Jan 12 07:37:50 hey guys, you guys need help with the Preware UI? I got some Photoshop skills and can help a bit. Jan 12 07:38:07 rwhitby: shouldn't install prefix be a variable defined in staging.mk, instead of hard coded? Jan 12 07:38:21 I've been keeping my eyes peeled for Colligan since he left. I'd love to harangue him for an interview. But he's totally gone to ground. No contacts anywhere Jan 12 07:38:28 xcomp: yeah, makes sense Jan 12 07:39:12 I love how probably 50% of the 85000 downloads of the SDK that Ruby talks about is probably to install Preware ;-) Jan 12 07:43:39 rwhitby: take a look at what I committed for libgpg-error Jan 12 07:44:24 xcomp: did you git push ? Jan 12 07:44:35 hdy Jan 12 07:44:39 rwhitby: oh, git requires you to "push" after committing? Jan 12 07:44:44 yep Jan 12 07:44:53 you'll probably need to pull first Jan 12 07:44:57 k ... still a newbie to git Jan 12 07:45:08 since there will have been other commits and pushes by other people Jan 12 07:45:43 yeah, git is great that you can commit locally when not connected to the network Jan 12 07:45:49 yeah, equivalent of svn update Jan 12 07:45:53 dtzWill|away: is there a reason why the maximum number of shader vertex attributes be smaller in one program than another? Jan 12 07:46:10 oh he's away Jan 12 07:47:02 ali1: possibly due to the way the attributes are packed? i'm not sure really tbh. Jan 12 07:47:15 rwhitby: pushed Jan 12 07:47:59 dtzWill|away: they're both using the same shaders and they go through the same exact attribute binding (aka both programs are using wesgl) Jan 12 07:48:48 xcomp: perfect Jan 12 07:49:08 xcomp: oh, hang on. Jan 12 07:49:28 xcomp: staging-rootfs.mk should do the /usr/lib/* matching the ${NAME} from the doctor automatically Jan 12 07:49:46 hmm Jan 12 07:50:00 but will it do so without actually compiling? Jan 12 07:50:08 that's what I was trying to achieve Jan 12 07:50:17 xcomp: e.g. see libsdl/Makefile Jan 12 07:50:46 xcomp: if it's already in the palm rootfs, then use staging-rootfs.mk for the libs Jan 12 07:51:00 you mean stage-rootfs.mk Jan 12 07:51:04 yes Jan 12 07:51:09 ok, that works Jan 12 07:51:20 we never want to overwrite the palm libs Jan 12 07:51:26 right Jan 12 07:52:08 alright I really give up this time. lol Still stuck where I was 2 hours ago :P Jan 12 07:52:46 rwhitby: also, I'm assuming ${INSTALL_PREFIX} is defined in staging.mk Jan 12 07:53:27 xcomp: just add it and push Jan 12 07:53:48 ok Jan 12 07:56:18 xcomp: thx Jan 12 07:56:30 xcomp: it's great to have more people adding to the staging libs Jan 12 07:56:44 xcomp: next I will work out packaging so these new libs can be turned into ipkgs Jan 12 07:57:19 and then get them into the feeds Jan 12 07:58:03 excellent Jan 12 07:58:26 preware continues to rule Jan 12 08:05:51 libgpg failing for me Jan 12 08:06:07 * egaudet pulls Jan 12 08:09:22 egaudet: what error do you get? Jan 12 08:10:53 I think it's fixed Jan 12 08:11:00 libsdl-gfx needs fix though Jan 12 08:11:19 xcomp: that libgpg-error Makefile is nice and clean now Jan 12 08:11:35 can I push the PATH fix to libsdl-gfx ? Jan 12 08:12:06 rwhitby: cool, about to commit libgcrypt and gnutls Jan 12 08:12:14 egaudet: for sdl-config? yes Jan 12 08:12:21 then I'll see if I can do fontconfig before I retire for the night Jan 12 08:12:24 done Jan 12 08:12:45 later today I should be able to put eina, eet, evas and ecore in Jan 12 08:13:04 all deps should be taken care of Jan 12 08:13:24 xcomp: it is really great to have you and jacques across this now too. I hate it whenever I'm a single point of failure. Jan 12 08:13:36 and egaudet too in fact Jan 12 08:14:22 rwhitby: glad to help. been quite a while since I've done any serious oss work Jan 12 08:17:14 rwhitby, so is any of the pdk stuff packaged yet (specifically glues) ? Jan 12 08:18:56 wow Jan 12 08:21:05 why does everyone quit and join like that its scary. Jan 12 08:22:22 infobot: where the heck have you been? Jan 12 08:22:23 out drinking with the bots. Jan 12 08:22:42 Toaster89: that's a netsplit Jan 12 08:22:49 Toaster89: or like I like to call it, a netquake Jan 12 08:22:55 lol its freaky Jan 12 08:23:02 damn this scummVM Jan 12 08:23:13 infobot: authenticate Jan 12 08:23:17 ScummVM running on Pre now? :D Jan 12 08:23:41 zomg: Some games yes others no Jan 12 08:23:52 trying to fix but i cant find anything on this stupid error. Jan 12 08:24:10 even a search through the source code cant pull up the text used.. Jan 12 08:24:35 infobot testing-feed is http://bit.ly/testing-feed Jan 12 08:24:36 jacques: okay Jan 12 08:26:18 someone else should take a crack at this besides me :P Jan 12 08:26:54 Toaster89: cool, scummvm is maybe the most enjoyable "game" on a phone so far =) Jan 12 08:27:10 adventure games just kinda work pretty well with a touch interface like that Jan 12 08:27:19 I know I really need help badly though lol this source code is hurting my eyes. :P Jan 12 08:27:25 though I do wonder if it'll be tricky since you often gotta click quite precisely Jan 12 08:27:29 and the pre does not have a stylus Jan 12 08:27:35 oh its easy :) Jan 12 08:27:38 not bad at all Jan 12 08:27:51 on my HTC Touch Diamond it would have been a PITA to try tapping stuff in ScummVM without the stylus Jan 12 08:28:09 yeah the pre has a nicer touch screen though imo Jan 12 08:29:58 Hows the new preware coming along? Jan 12 08:32:51 I wonder if I took a screenshot of the error maybe I could see it then... Jan 12 08:32:51 lol Jan 12 08:34:54 what are webos 1.3.2 and 1.3.3 ? Jan 12 08:35:00 I never heard of them Jan 12 08:35:40 oh, 1.3.2 is a pixi version ? Jan 12 08:37:01 its a europe release Jan 12 08:40:49 so I give up on this I'll just wait till someone else does it. Jan 12 08:42:52 Toaster89: what's the error? Jan 12 08:44:53 the error is: Jan 12 08:45:22 ERROR: Worble library compiled support needed. Jan 12 08:45:29 not sure about the worble Jan 12 08:45:33 its really small text Jan 12 08:46:26 and if I close the console it crashes the pre :P Jan 12 08:48:00 http://i.imgur.com/wgr2s.png << screenshot Jan 12 08:48:13 crashes the pre or restarts luna? Jan 12 08:48:31 sorry, restarts luna. Jan 12 08:48:49 how do you take screenshots? Jan 12 08:49:06 orange key + sym + P Jan 12 08:49:17 thanks Jan 12 08:49:18 it wouldnt let me take it fullscreen though Jan 12 08:49:52 yeah only way we know of doing that right now is with fbcat Jan 12 08:50:33 Toaster89: and on which games? Jan 12 08:50:43 monkey island 3 Jan 12 08:50:48 I also tested Jan 12 08:51:00 BASS and that worked fine Jan 12 08:51:10 but monkey island 3 Jan 12 08:51:11 I'll try to get sam and max sometime and test it out. Jan 12 08:51:17 is it supposed to work at all? Jan 12 08:51:21 yes Jan 12 08:51:23 works on PC Jan 12 08:52:02 http://www.scummvm.org/compatibility/ Jan 12 08:52:07 ok, we need to get fbcat in optware Jan 12 08:52:34 there is no monkey island 3 Jan 12 08:53:03 secret to monkey island and I played the game in scummVM on the PC from start to finish no problems Jan 12 08:53:37 ok, I just read it Jan 12 08:53:42 argh Jan 12 08:53:46 fontconfig won't behave Jan 12 08:54:05 looks like I'm gonna have to patch configure to bypass a check Jan 12 08:54:30 org the person who ported this has some of the libs diabled and I enabled them but no change. Jan 12 08:54:32 hey so eventually the build git and crosscompile git will be merged, right? or no...? :). Jan 12 08:54:44 dtzWill|away: yeah, somehow Jan 12 08:55:00 rwhitby: heh, yeah. somehow indeed :). kk just wondering what the plan was. Jan 12 08:55:21 dtzWill: I designed things so the repos can be merged Jan 12 08:56:10 Toaster89: I read here something about not supported VGA resolution Jan 12 08:56:31 ? Jan 12 08:56:37 it would need 640x480 Jan 12 08:56:39 pixel Jan 12 08:56:56 btw: which SCUMMVM version did you port? Jan 12 08:57:25 dtzWill: the question is how best to keep preware/cross-compile as the place that people can build new things, but then have preware/build as the autobuilder submission repo Jan 12 08:58:10 rwhitby: understood. is the separate /nonworking not good enough? and yeah that's a tricky quesiton for sure. Jan 12 08:58:33 ah I didnt port it and not sure what version it is I am looking now Jan 12 08:58:48 Toaster89: and did you tried with sound off? Jan 12 08:58:53 yeah Jan 12 08:59:08 ok :) Jan 12 08:59:17 dtzWill: since you want the PDK just to have libs, not a whole lot of applications Jan 12 08:59:26 dtzWill: and probably want them to be pre-built somehow Jan 12 09:00:22 MetaView its v1.0.0 Jan 12 09:00:47 and the PC version I have is: 0.11.1 lol Jan 12 09:00:55 any thoughts on why luna might have been taking up 30-50% cpu for at least 10 minutes now? phone not doing anything... (restart will probably fix but o_O) Jan 12 09:01:31 rwhitby: ah yeah. man i'm really excited seeing this 'pdk' take form :D Jan 12 09:01:36 runaway service in the background? Jan 12 09:01:44 did you check in JSTop? Jan 12 09:02:04 cryptk|werk_: i did not. just bounced. what does jstop do that top doens't? inspection within luna? Jan 12 09:02:19 rwhitby: lol I was just looking at fbcat Jan 12 09:02:25 top will show basically the same stuff Jan 12 09:02:33 just JsTop is run within luna Jan 12 09:02:42 not sure if it will show anything different actually Jan 12 09:02:51 I think it gets all it's info from Top... Jan 12 09:03:12 Toaster89: seems it's maybe not 1.0.0, at least not the engine :) Jan 12 09:03:25 anyone else notice that top gets confused when the Pre changes clock speed? Jan 12 09:03:28 yeah just what the make file says it is :P Jan 12 09:03:55 SRC_BZ2 = http://sourceforge.net/projects/scummvm/files/scummvm/1.0.0/scummvm-1.0.0.tar.bz2/download Jan 12 09:03:56 rwhitby: hmm, how to resolve this? I want to stage stuff in /etc for fontconfig Jan 12 09:04:21 can't get the new adobe flash video to load here at werk... Jan 12 09:04:29 the one about flash games... Jan 12 09:04:37 wow dtzwill, you're still here. you oughta take a break from whatever and go sleep Jan 12 09:04:46 hm, ok Jan 12 09:04:47 rwhitby: although that stuff isn't necessary for actually building stuff, so maybe I should just ignore for now Jan 12 09:04:56 <-- away to work Jan 12 09:04:58 bbl Jan 12 09:05:35 ok, cya Jan 12 09:05:54 jacques: fbcat will be in optware very soon. I have an ipkg built Jan 12 09:06:04 yokken: i did sleep :D. Jan 12 09:06:28 rwhitby: great news :) Jan 12 09:06:30 ...when Jan 12 09:06:51 i've been here for like 5-6 hours Jan 12 09:07:14 dtzWill: you have ipkg-opt installed? Jan 12 09:07:47 rwhitby: absolutely. Jan 12 09:08:02 rwhitby: just installing a non-crappy shell rtfn. haha. i'm realy sick of w/e the default is :) Jan 12 09:10:20 rwhitby: is there a trick to screendumping 3d stuff with fbcat mine are coming out black, but non-3d dumps work Jan 12 09:10:28 jacques: oh, dunno Jan 12 09:10:32 dtzWill: it seems that the max number of vertex attributes is 8, which is kind of weird Jan 12 09:10:51 wesGL is set up for 10 i think Jan 12 09:10:54 rwhitby: OK to assume builders have autoconf? I have to patch fontconfig and that includes a regenerated configure script Jan 12 09:11:09 patch is much smaller if I can just include configure.in Jan 12 09:12:38 dtzWill: if you are talking about the stock shell on the pre... I think it is csh... I swapped to bash. Jan 12 09:12:43 ali1: that sounds about right. I forget where but i was reading that ~8 is typical on devices an ~16+ on desktops. i think? Jan 12 09:12:50 busybox Jan 12 09:12:57 xcomp: assume ubuntu 9.10 server and anything we tell them to install on top of that from standard distro Jan 12 09:13:00 cryptk|werk: no it's /bin/sh lol Jan 12 09:13:15 busybox doing sh Jan 12 09:13:19 cryptk|werk: which is some bu... yes Jan 12 09:13:30 can someone who has ubuntu 9.10 server let me know if autoconf is installed by default? Jan 12 09:13:32 bash is in optware Jan 12 09:13:35 geist: you are correct :). regradless it's not enough Jan 12 09:13:45 xcomp: even if it's not installed by default, just add it to the wiki page prereqs Jan 12 09:13:49 rwhitby: so it is :D. been on a zsh kick lately but shrug Jan 12 09:14:00 rwhitby: ok then Jan 12 09:14:03 ii autoconf 2.64-1ubuntu1 automatic configure script builder Jan 12 09:14:03 dtzWill: does that mean pandora got 16? Jan 12 09:14:18 ali1: that's a good question. i have aboslutely no idea Jan 12 09:14:21 pandora has pretty much the same TI chip... Jan 12 09:14:50 ali1: is 8 limiting something you're doing? Jan 12 09:15:20 wesGL is set up for more than 8 Jan 12 09:15:36 ali1: OH you mean it's not that it /can/ use more than 8, but it req's more than that. Jan 12 09:15:48 yeah Jan 12 09:15:48 i'm sorry i misunderstood that. hmmm. Jan 12 09:16:00 its meant for the pandora though Jan 12 09:16:35 ali1: looking at the shader i only see 9? Jan 12 09:17:36 ali1: and two of those should pack into the 8 i think? Jan 12 09:18:29 ali1: also if the pandora has the same hardware i don't see why it'd support more, that seems odd. not necessarily wrong, but odd :) Jan 12 09:20:51 rwhitby: this is silly, but i have been using ipkg-opt for a while---and i've installed various packages that i don't need anymore (automake, etc). is there an easy-ish way to determine which the system might need? or all they all "optional"? (i'm not sure ipkg-opt's role in preware, etc) Jan 12 09:21:07 whew ... let's hope this works Jan 12 09:21:43 dtzWill: the "system" doesn't really need any Jan 12 09:21:52 ipkg-opt starts as empty Jan 12 09:22:19 rwhitby: okay that's easy, ty. Jan 12 09:22:44 oh haha i have ssh installed thruogh it i think? :) Jan 12 09:23:36 hahaha removed python \o/ Jan 12 09:26:37 logged into scummvm IRC and this guy helped me Jan 12 09:26:43 I'm making progress now :D Jan 12 09:27:03 ok, fontconfig and expat are in Jan 12 09:27:08 now i'm done Jan 12 09:27:39 xcomp: thx! Jan 12 09:27:53 Toaster89: nice Jan 12 09:27:57 xcomp: sweet deals Jan 12 09:28:40 dtzWill yeah I'm figuring out how to compile with Vorbis support Jan 12 09:28:48 which monkey island 3 needs Jan 12 09:29:48 dtzWill: oh, so its normal that opengl es will throw an error if you try to access an attribute on index 8 or greater? Jan 12 09:30:49 ali1: well at some point it should complain, since there is a limit. i'm not sure what you mean accessing it on index--you access them symbolically, right? Jan 12 09:32:31 yeah thats what i mean Jan 12 09:32:54 in this code it tries to do a glBindAttribLocation on index 8 Jan 12 09:33:13 but i assume thats alright Jan 12 09:34:17 whatever i'm learning Jan 12 09:34:24 gonna hit the bed Jan 12 09:34:37 jacques_pre: fbcat is in optware, but the autobuilder is stuck. you can build it from svn Jan 12 09:35:29 ali1: okay, sounds like your'e making progress. i can't get it to run :/ haha Jan 12 09:35:30 or ipkg-opt install http://omploader.org/vMzhncw/fbcat_0.2-1_arm.ipk Jan 12 09:41:35 I do --with-vorbis-prefix=/usr/lib/ Jan 12 09:41:39 in my make file Jan 12 09:41:42 but its not working :S Jan 12 09:43:31 Toaster89: in sb2? Jan 12 09:43:40 yes Jan 12 09:43:50 Toaster89: vorbis isn't copied over AFAICT, and if it was it would be in /usr/local/lib Jan 12 09:44:15 hmm I looked in the package manger and it says its in there Jan 12 09:44:30 package manager? Jan 12 09:44:48 ubuntu Jan 12 09:44:50 Toaster89: it's on the pre, at least on mine, but that doesn't mean it's the env sb2 creates. Jan 12 09:45:09 Toaster89: you need the pre's vorbis if you're building for it.... Jan 12 09:45:09 oh the lib has to be on the pre? Jan 12 09:45:17 Toaster89: no no the lib has to be an armv7 lib Jan 12 09:45:18 okay Jan 12 09:45:21 I understand now Jan 12 09:46:10 where can I find the list of libs on the pre? Jan 12 09:46:40 Toaster89: on the pre 'ls /usr/lib' :) Jan 12 09:47:23 or in /rootfs/armv7/usr/lib from your cross-compile setup Jan 12 09:47:26 is the SDL library in the bin folder? Jan 12 09:47:43 Toaster89: look in cross-compile/roots/armv7/usr/lib/... Jan 12 09:47:49 ok Jan 12 09:47:58 but that gives you the lib, to build with it you also need the headers... and i don't see vorbis on the palm website?? Jan 12 09:49:07 else i'd package it up for you quick :? Jan 12 09:49:20 s/:?/:\// Jan 12 09:49:22 yeah Jan 12 09:49:31 maybe thats why they guy who ported this first Jan 12 09:49:33 didnt add t Jan 12 09:49:34 it* Jan 12 09:49:36 only if someone is intrested. Quake is running fine on the german 1.5.3 update. Thanks do dtzWill and you all for making it work Jan 12 09:49:49 but doesnt the pre have ogg support? Jan 12 09:49:52 hape: that's great news! :D. have fun fragging away :D Jan 12 09:53:55 tried: --with-ogg-prefect=/usr/local/lib but its not working either :P Jan 12 09:56:25 Toaster89: ogg similarly isn't staged. do you need it? Jan 12 09:57:16 I checked and ogg is there. Jan 12 09:58:09 dtzWill: Must get used to the controlls first. The overlay looks good. Jan 12 09:58:42 at the most time i do cirkels right now ;-) Jan 12 09:59:15 its in usr/lib not usr/local/lib though Jan 12 10:00:00 webos. Jan 12 10:00:03 internals. Jan 12 10:04:38 hape: try kicking down the mouse sensitivity? Jan 12 10:05:15 Toaster89: ogg and it's headers are staged? Jan 12 10:05:55 Toaster89: it for me at least? :/ Jan 12 10:07:17 yeah I think thats whats causing problems :/ Jan 12 10:07:23 can we add our own libs? Jan 12 10:07:44 hmm not sure why no sound doesnt work though Jan 12 10:07:46 Toaster89: the right answer is the grab the headers for libogg that they use and stage the libraries and then share for everyone esle. Jan 12 10:08:02 how though? lol Jan 12 10:08:27 look in packages/*/Makefile Jan 12 10:12:02 hmmm Jan 12 10:14:00 How do I use different headers? Jan 12 10:17:04 dtzWill: will try later. I'm at work right now ;) try not to think about Quake. It's hard .... Jan 12 10:18:22 hape: hahaha :) Jan 12 10:37:08 so... did you guys ever look into why the upstart manager is not closing things all the way? Jan 12 10:38:07 cryptk|werk: can you give me a repeatable test case? Jan 12 10:38:42 rwhitby: restart phone, look in JsTop, nothing extra listed... open quake... doom... any of them... close it... look in JsTop and it is still there... Jan 12 10:39:10 I am verifying now that it still does it Jan 12 10:39:49 yep, still does it Jan 12 10:40:18 opened JsTop, no sdldoom listed... open sdldoom and it shows up in JsTop (as it should). close sdldoom and it stays in JsTop. Jan 12 10:40:44 refreshed JsTop and did a garbage collect (even though I knew garbage collect wouldn't make it go away) and it is still there Jan 12 10:42:01 open and close sdlquake and now I have sdldoom and sdl quake Jan 12 10:42:54 open close supertux now I have sdldoom, sdlquake and supertux in JsTop Jan 12 10:43:01 that repeatable enough for ya? Jan 12 10:43:10 bbiab, smoke break Jan 12 10:45:23 yep Jan 12 10:51:34 back Jan 12 10:53:38 I have mentioned it before and someone told me the reason for it, but it seems like it should be fixed since it isn't releasing it's required memory Jan 12 10:54:12 also, if you reopen a program that uses upstart, it uses another handle, so the handle count go's up by one every time you open it Jan 12 10:56:05 the handle count does eventually go back down though, probably from a garbage collect Jan 12 11:03:40 looks like it's the webOS launcher code. Jan 12 11:06:49 so it isn't part of upstart then? Jan 12 11:07:23 as far as I can tell though, the other native apps do not suffer from this problem. Jan 12 11:15:25 cryptk|werk: do the same apps (sdlquake, etc) have this problem when launched from the console? Jan 12 11:15:53 haven't tried, lemme check Jan 12 11:18:31 dtzWill|quake: looks like it actually... Jan 12 11:18:41 maybe it isn't upstart Jan 12 11:19:41 nevermind, strike that Jan 12 11:19:49 I launched it from within the terminal app Jan 12 11:19:57 new process started, also called terminal Jan 12 11:20:26 closed quake, both terminal processes remained, however once I closed the original terminal app they both went away Jan 12 11:20:30 so that is a maybe Jan 12 11:20:52 I would be interested to see what happens if it is launched through ssh Jan 12 11:20:56 instead of the terminal app Jan 12 11:46:14 dtzWill: Conrolles are working fine now. I only had the thumb not right on the wirtual joistick, Tested it in the lunsh break Jan 12 11:47:27 do womeone can correct the LED notification Patch? Jan 12 11:48:10 It stll do not patch the localisation files. As a result of that it only works for the Enlish UI and not other. Like the German one. Jan 12 11:48:26 For other languages the screen is messed up after installation Jan 12 11:56:10 hape: someone with those localisations will need to do that Jan 12 12:00:13 rwhitby: Hmm, dose the normal US 1.3.5 do not also have all locaisations? Jan 12 12:00:29 hape: correct Jan 12 12:00:51 we need .eu developers to help. please invite them here. Jan 12 12:00:53 hi all, is it normal for lunasysmgr to use ~200MB RAM? top shows my pre is constantly using swap, and i get the "too many cards" message a lot Jan 12 12:01:21 LunaSysMgr takes 35% of mem on my Pre Jan 12 12:01:47 reboot, and find out which app you use has a memory leak Jan 12 12:02:03 then give it a bad review :-) Jan 12 12:02:15 thanks rwhitby - any guess why mine is taking so much? i just uninstalled all patches and rebooted and it is still using same Jan 12 12:02:40 did you just update to 1.3.5.x ? Jan 12 12:02:49 * cryptk|werk blames something rwhitby wrote... Jan 12 12:02:58 lol Jan 12 12:02:59 rwhitby, i'm just in the process of doing that Jan 12 12:03:08 rwhitby: I will take a look myself. I think I havee all I need to add the needed copde to create the new patch file. I expect you herer can help with the packeting as this is the part I do not have any idea about Jan 12 12:03:12 cnolan: then wait until the app migration is complete Jan 12 12:03:24 thanks rwhitby, will do. Jan 12 12:03:37 (man the download of the update is SLOW!) Jan 12 12:03:42 hape: when you have an updated patch, submit it view http://webos-patches.dbsooner.com/ Jan 12 12:03:46 s/view/via/ Jan 12 12:03:47 rwhitby meant: hape: when you have an updated patch, submit it via http://webos-patches.dbsooner.com/ Jan 12 12:04:13 ok. I will give it a try today evening Jan 12 12:04:16 cnolan: you don't want to be trying to do anything else during this update. Jan 12 12:04:29 i'm not, i'm just waiting patiently Jan 12 12:04:37 (impatiently!) Jan 12 12:08:08 i wish preware had a Downloads Feeds lower timeout, so that disabling feeds isn't quite as needed Jan 12 12:08:17 because of course I'll always forget to re-enable feeds Jan 12 12:08:39 FreeTim: what timeout would you like? Jan 12 12:09:22 Well that's the trick right, estimating what's a good one. 30 sec? 1 min? 5 min? or Perhaps configurable Jan 12 12:10:19 which timeout are you referring to? Jan 12 12:10:56 It goes to Downloading Feed Information screen and sometimes hangs there Jan 12 12:11:55 the point at which it prints the help message has no bearing on how long it will actually take to timeout the fetch in Linux Jan 12 12:11:56 I have noticed that also... I have to close preware and reopen it... I know that it isn't actually downloading because the EV won't be lit (and I am not connected to wifi) Jan 12 12:11:57 I'm disabling a few feeds and bouncing it to see what happens Jan 12 12:14:02 I understand it needs some time, and I'm patient. I wonder if it will just wait forever for dead or slow feeds, or if there is some timeout? Jan 12 12:15:06 yep now it's good. I dsabled all the Themes feeds Jan 12 12:19:48 oooh i have an idea, we could make it smartly skip a feed when one takes too long, and then at the end of trying all feeds, optionally loop back around for retry after prompting the user once, or option to skip it. Jan 12 12:20:37 maybe I will take that on as a patch. About time I did something around here besides amend wiki pages Jan 12 12:20:38 FreeTim: cannot be down with the current architecture, since the ipkg binary does not support individual feed updates Jan 12 12:20:47 oh :( Jan 12 12:44:13 cryptik: For you does it work after you close it and re-open? If so maybe I could just add a Retry button Jan 12 12:45:22 Or maybe I'll just leave well enough alone. I've erased, re-Doctor'ed and Prewared, and now that Quake again works I'm a happy boy Jan 12 12:45:47 if the underlying linux command has timed out, then a retry would work. if it had not, it would just make things worse. Jan 12 12:46:49 just installed EMH and when i reboot it is saying "updating the system" "do not remove battery" - is this normal? is it actually doing the migration at this point? (sorry i can find v little info on this app) Jan 12 12:48:49 right... but the underlying linux timeout is likely settable... even if it's curl, or wget or somethng... i have to commute now, will poke around later just to satisfy curiosity Jan 12 12:49:09 not a big priority on it. Jan 12 12:54:15 have a great evening all, thanks for All that You Do ! Jan 12 12:59:03 cnolan: yes, it is doing the migration at that point Jan 12 12:59:46 thanks rwhitby, from the "blurb" it made me think it would do the migration in the background after it had rebooted. makes sense and all seems good. still need to track down my memory leak though. Jan 12 13:22:50 yo. Did we all know that 1.3.5.2 added Bluetooth tethering? Jan 12 13:24:59 dBsooner: I tried to submit a small package update but the web side hangs abter I selected 'Send it off' Jan 12 13:26:14 rwhitby: I tried to submit a small package update but the web side hangs abter I selected 'Send it off' Jan 12 13:26:18 freakout: I would take such reports with a grain of salt. It seems that it allows the phone to connect through the computer, not tethering Jan 12 13:26:21 any idea? Jan 12 13:26:29 rwhitby: I've successfully used it myself Jan 12 13:26:31 hape: nope, dBsooner runs that site. Jan 12 13:26:34 http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/10033/european-webos-1352-adds-bluetooth-tethering/ Jan 12 13:26:40 freakout: interesting Jan 12 13:27:12 It's brain-dead simple to set up. I was most pleased Jan 12 13:27:25 NOw if only I had a netbook with Bluetooth, as opposed to my dodgy original Eee.... Jan 12 13:30:34 freakout: i tried bluetooth tethering previously; and it was rather slow. i seem to recall it being a limitation of the bluetooth networking--do you know? Jan 12 13:30:58 dtzWill: Well, you're limited to the speed of the bluetooth connection on your PC Jan 12 13:31:04 freakout: b/c that was a deal breaker for me--usbnet was so much faster Jan 12 13:31:32 dtzWill: Bluetooth 2.0 is pretty fast. Actually, let me run a speed test Jan 12 13:31:56 freakout: right, and what's the maximum throughput of PAN? the speed tests i ran then were terrible Jan 12 13:32:14 freakout: shrug, i'm just wondering, i don't use bluetooth much and thought you might know :) Jan 12 13:32:55 well lookie there. typing this through bluetooth tethering. Jan 12 13:34:59 hape: how long did you wait? Jan 12 13:35:12 hape: if you are including screenshots, it could take a minute or so to process. Jan 12 13:35:31 especially if your upload is being used up.. or you have a slow connection. Jan 12 13:35:40 rwhitby: you still here? Jan 12 13:36:32 bluetooth to wifi and bluetooth to 3G both work. Jan 12 13:36:41 awesome! Jan 12 13:36:52 i could only get bluetooth to 3g to work Jan 12 13:37:00 CDMA that is Jan 12 13:37:24 rwhitby: So, you got enough juice left in your tank to get the Trac done before sleepy time? Jan 12 13:37:57 dBsooner: I waitet until i got The connection was reset Jan 12 13:37:57 Jan 12 13:37:57 Jan 12 13:37:57 Jan 12 13:37:57 Jan 12 13:37:59 Jan 12 13:38:02 Jan 12 13:38:04 Jan 12 13:38:07 Jan 12 13:38:09 The connection to the server was reset while the page was loading. Jan 12 13:38:18 and it was only a small patch file. no new screenshots Jan 12 13:38:27 odd Jan 12 13:38:28 try again Jan 12 13:38:32 ok Jan 12 13:38:35 dBsooner: just a Trac? no connection to svn or git? Jan 12 13:38:42 whoops Jan 12 13:39:08 rwhitby: Yeah, no connection to svn or git right now because I don't know how to hide the config file that stores the password info for the database Jan 12 13:40:01 but if you want to make a git area for it too.. that would be cool Jan 12 13:40:10 and I just wouldn't upload the file that stores the password info Jan 12 13:40:18 s/upload/commit/ Jan 12 13:40:18 dBsooner meant: and I just wouldn't commit the file that stores the password info Jan 12 13:40:51 dBsooner: I think a pretty good approach is to store a "base" config file, ie. config.ini.base or whatever Jan 12 13:41:12 which contains some dummy and exmaple values, and you just need to create a copy of that in your own working copy Jan 12 13:41:23 can't accidentally commit it then =) Jan 12 13:42:21 good idear ol chap Jan 12 13:42:32 brb.. switching to work laptop Jan 12 13:42:48 dtzWill: http://i.dslr.net/imc/0/0/8/9/84950852.png Jan 12 13:43:15 165 kb/s DL, 357 kb/S upload. Not fantastic, but not awful either. Jan 12 13:43:52 dBsooner: http://git.webos-internals.org/trac/webos-patches Jan 12 13:44:27 dtzWill: Just did another test, got 262 kb/s download speed, which is about the same as I got via MyTether on wifi Jan 12 13:45:43 back in a sec. switching back to home DSL again Jan 12 13:46:52 dBsooner: No change still w'aiting for reply' since 14:38. Patch file is 851 bytes. Jan 12 13:47:01 using ubuntu and FF 137 Jan 12 13:49:20 hm, has anyone tried to connect to a WPA Enterprise network with TTLS and PAP? someone on the forums said, that TTLS does not work with the wpa_supplicant, I can't believe that.... Jan 12 13:54:51 rwhitby: awesome! Thanks.. any thought on making a git repo for it on the server too? Jan 12 13:54:57 dBsooner: And now again a Timeout Jan 12 13:55:18 hape: give me a little bit to test it Jan 12 13:55:30 dBsooner: a git repo for what? Jan 12 13:55:44 store the sourcecode for the portal Jan 12 13:56:16 oh, just put it up on gitorious - you should be able to create a new repo there now Jan 12 13:56:23 ok.. will do. Jan 12 13:56:32 cause it's not going to be interesting to anyone looking at git.webos-internals.org Jan 12 13:56:45 we'll just get people asking what it is Jan 12 13:56:49 sure it is. Because it's ME.. I'm interesting. Jan 12 13:57:23 where is preware.org stored? Jan 12 14:02:28 dBsooner: ok Jan 12 14:10:39 hello Jan 12 14:13:41 oppsidoopsi Jan 12 14:15:42 freakout: rwhitby: It actually looks like the mobilehotspot stuff is there and that it may support bluetooth and definitely supports wifi Jan 12 14:16:10 destinal: yep, it's a dbus service com.palm.mobilehotspot Jan 12 14:16:23 right, I'd noted it before Jan 12 14:16:38 rwhitby: so why take with grain of salt? Jan 12 14:16:54 destinal: oh, I'm fully convinced now Jan 12 14:17:14 destinal: sweet Jan 12 14:17:34 freakout: re-run the preware bootstrap, and you get sorting by price Jan 12 14:17:49 rwhitby: double sweet Jan 12 14:18:29 rwhitby: haven't learned more than just how to get a client list so far Jan 12 14:19:12 SystemInfo, ClientList, InterfaceRemove, InterfaceAdd, SetDebugLevel, Unsubscribe Jan 12 14:19:25 I bet those are the available methods Jan 12 14:20:31 luna-send -n 1 "palm://com.palm.mobilehotspot/clientList" "{}" Jan 12 14:21:46 rwhitby: I haven't seen anything else in that mixed case (camelcase(?)) Jan 12 14:22:44 and the others are not methods Jan 12 14:23:00 anyway, off to work, bbl Jan 12 14:37:20 test Jan 12 14:37:41 test sat Jan 12 14:38:08 ok this works Jan 12 14:42:21 rwhitby: the question re: setting up hotspot is what controls it's calls to add interfaces etc Jan 12 14:44:23 since it would seem easier to configure hotspot and have it call the relevant services than to make the latter calls ourselves Jan 12 14:45:25 destinal-wirc: interfaceAdd and interfaceRemove Jan 12 14:45:39 and setDebugLevel Jan 12 14:45:49 ah case Jan 12 14:45:53 ok cool Jan 12 14:47:59 I take it they respond? probably private bus only Jan 12 14:50:18 root@palm-webos-device:/var/home/root# luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.mobilehotspot/setDebugLevel '{'debugLevel':"10"}' Jan 12 14:50:18 ** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, {"serviceName":"com.palm.mobilehotspot","returnValue":false,"errorCode":-1,"errorText":"com.palm.mobilehotspot is not running."} Jan 12 14:50:53 yay, just got my pre! Jan 12 14:51:04 Congrats! and welcome Jan 12 14:51:06 :) Jan 12 14:51:11 been here before ;) Jan 12 14:51:31 I almost got it yesterday... kinda nice this way --> downloadin 1.3.5.2 Jan 12 14:51:37 "12 MB" Jan 12 14:51:38 well yes, but that was pre-lurking, before Jan 12 14:51:42 I guess that's a type Jan 12 14:51:44 typo :) Jan 12 14:51:45 now you're Post- Pre Jan 12 14:51:48 oh yeah Jan 12 14:51:49 :) Jan 12 14:51:51 rwhitby: odd, it runs fot me, client list anyway Jan 12 14:52:19 can I just run it and see what I get, for giggles? Jan 12 14:53:26 destinal-wirc: I get the same thing rwhitby got Jan 12 14:53:34 running 1.3.5.1 Jan 12 14:53:36 coolmatty: if you want to query Jan 12 14:53:48 hnm, Jan 12 14:54:08 hape: "Thank you for submitting a patch! Look for it very soon in the webOS-Patches feed in Preware (and other programs that use the webOS-Patches feed)! If there are any questions, please contact webOS-Patches@dbsooner.com. Please note you will not be able to submit another patch for 5 minutes. Do not use your browser's back button and try to submit again, it will not let you. Instead, click here and refresh that page. It will let yo Jan 12 14:54:13 any words on update vs initial doctoring ? Jan 12 14:54:18 hape: are you using a valid email address? Jan 12 14:54:21 have you tried the client list command I sent earlier Jan 12 14:54:27 and only one? Jan 12 14:55:08 if that isn't running either try restarting mobilehotspotd service Jan 12 14:55:29 here's what I get from your clientlist: ** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, { "returnValue": true, "clients": [ ] } Jan 12 14:56:00 ok so service exists Jan 12 14:56:25 did rod do this on his sprint pre or GSM pre ? Jan 12 14:56:36 mines a sprint pre fyi Jan 12 14:56:38 gsm Jan 12 14:56:43 client list works Jan 12 14:57:51 are you sure your method names are goos Jan 12 14:57:56 I'm impressed that all the tools are Java and work on linux... I was afraid I had to fire up virtualbox again Jan 12 14:57:56 :) Jan 12 14:58:00 good Jan 12 14:59:18 ok, novacom is 32 bit *sigh* Jan 12 14:59:39 yeah get ia32 libs Jan 12 15:00:06 and force arch Jan 12 15:00:44 is the 0.3 svn in the article needed Jan 12 15:00:49 or can i use the 1.0 from palm? Jan 12 15:01:12 1.0 works Jan 12 15:01:19 perfect Jan 12 15:01:21 destinal-wirc: yep, I'm sure. Jan 12 15:01:26 with one minor issue Jan 12 15:01:27 destinal-wirc: otherwise would get a different error Jan 12 15:02:34 you have to find it's init.d script and replace the symlink with it's regular file Jan 12 15:03:08 * rwhitby bbt - night all Jan 12 15:03:12 night Jan 12 15:03:16 init.d no place for symlinks Jan 12 15:03:34 night rod Jan 12 15:03:37 FYI: Preware 0.9.14 alpha has price sorting in it now Jan 12 15:04:17 i made a nice init.d for novacomd Jan 12 15:04:17 shoudl be on the wiki Jan 12 15:05:43 i need to get an HDTV antenna Jan 12 15:05:47 so i can get some TV in my new house Jan 12 15:05:54 then return it next week when Timewarner comes Jan 12 15:05:55 :D Jan 12 15:06:44 antenna is antenna Jan 12 15:07:32 no hd thing about it Jan 12 15:07:32 not true Jan 12 15:08:11 is same frequency ranges Jan 12 15:08:48 well regardless, its getting returned in a week Jan 12 15:08:55 sorry, what are the best diff options to use for a path? Jan 12 15:09:04 sorry, what are the best diff options to use for a patch? Jan 12 15:09:04 hehe Jan 12 15:09:06 the only ones Jan 12 15:09:09 are -urN Jan 12 15:09:25 used together all the time Jan 12 15:10:29 yeah, I used some rusty old rabbit ears for an HDTV for a while Jan 12 15:10:31 worked fine :p Jan 12 15:10:41 all it is is a bunch of wire :p Jan 12 15:11:02 PuffTheMagic: Thanks that was the options I was searching for Jan 12 15:11:06 tuned for tv freq ranges Jan 12 15:14:37 hey guys, having issues after the 1.3.5.2 update... hope someone can help me with some troubleshooting. i can't install / update any apps from the app catalog anymroe Jan 12 15:14:44 ok, i have the LED patch that also update the de_de resources finished now Jan 12 15:15:14 i did remove all patches before updating and ran the emh after the update succeeded Jan 12 15:15:36 muesli: have you tried restarting your pre afterwards Jan 12 15:15:56 when i try to install something from the app catalog it tells me that it needs to reboot to complete the installation Jan 12 15:16:01 CoolMatty: a dozen times by now Jan 12 15:16:12 ah Jan 12 15:18:01 can't even install new apps anymore Jan 12 15:19:15 exact message is "System adjustments must be made before installation can continue." Jan 12 15:19:35 after the reboot i get an instant notification that updates / installs failed Jan 12 15:20:24 i think i might just doctor my phone to wipe it completely Jan 12 15:20:49 is there a 1.3.5.2 webos doctor jar already? latest for gsm phones on webos internals wiki is still pointing to 1.3.5.1 Jan 12 15:21:24 muesli: sounds like the doctor is in order Jan 12 15:21:57 can i reuse my existing palm profile after i wipe my phone compeltely? Jan 12 15:22:19 muesli: don't believe there is a .2 doctor Jan 12 15:22:31 use .1 than update again Jan 12 15:22:35 ok, guess i could just 1.3.1 it and update it Jan 12 15:25:42 well I'm off to work have a good one Jan 12 15:25:53 cheers Jan 12 15:28:39 meusli: I doctored mine for 135 when it hit sprint. much simpler Jan 12 15:28:59 there's no 1.3.5 doctor for gsm devices tho Jan 12 15:29:36 no there wasn't one then for 135 Jan 12 15:31:46 highest available doctor and update ota Jan 12 15:32:10 the palm profile should restore all my settings then, right? Jan 12 15:32:13 (highest for your carrier that is) Jan 12 15:32:32 yeah it should Jan 12 15:32:36 thanks :) Jan 12 15:32:53 if i do a full erase on my phone, do i even need to doctor? Jan 12 15:33:08 or will that reset it to the firmware it shipped with? Jan 12 15:33:47 I would doctor, erase doesn't back out system level changes l Jan 12 15:40:46 muesli: did you try the Migration Helper in Preware? Jan 12 15:40:56 yeah, didn't help Jan 12 15:41:36 =/ Jan 12 15:42:45 Full Erase is kinda kooky Jan 12 15:43:18 it erasing everything excep the OS Jan 12 15:43:32 rwhitby: hotspot is lying to us. :) Jan 12 15:43:45 luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.mobilehotspot/setDebugLevel {} Jan 12 15:43:46 rwhitby: Jan 12 15:43:50 Kyusaku: that's what it does Jan 12 15:43:55 Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, { "returnValue": false } Jan 12 15:43:59 wtf Jan 12 15:44:06 mobilehotspot is out already? Jan 12 15:44:12 PuffTheMagic: it was in 1.3.5 Jan 12 15:44:16 really? Jan 12 15:44:18 hmm Jan 12 15:44:33 luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.mobilehotspot/setDebugLevel '{'debugLevel':"10"}' Jan 12 15:44:34 Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, {"serviceName":"com.palm.mobilehotspot","returnValue":false,"errorCode":-1,"errorText":"com.palm.mobilehotspot is not running."} Jan 12 15:44:47 so, sometimes it says it's not running when it clearly is Jan 12 15:44:51 strange Jan 12 15:45:31 egaudet: wish Full Erase fully reflashed the device like my old WM Treo. Jan 12 15:46:04 luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.mobilehotspot/interfaceAdd {} Jan 12 15:46:04 ** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, { "returnValue": true } Jan 12 15:48:49 morning all. Jan 12 15:51:03 PuffTheMagic: rwhitby: aha, the one rwhitby ran said it wasn't running because the debuglevel command he sent caused it to segfault Jan 12 15:51:40 so how did they enable this PAN Jan 12 15:52:03 the webos internals wiki recovery page is a bit misleading... do i really just run the .jar file to flash my phone? Jan 12 15:52:16 (in that case it wouldn't be misleading) Jan 12 15:52:29 muesli: you need novacomd installed, if you have it installed you can just run the jar Jan 12 15:52:33 muesli: yea u REALLY run it to flash ur phone Jan 12 15:52:41 fine then, thanks :) Jan 12 15:52:44 the .jar installs novacom for u Jan 12 15:52:50 atlanta: not on linux Jan 12 15:52:55 oh opppss Jan 12 15:53:05 actually on my macbook right now, since on the go Jan 12 15:53:25 muesli: I'd install the SDK and novacom just in case then you can run the jar Jan 12 15:53:38 destinal: already did, luckily Jan 12 15:53:55 is rwhitby still up??? it's like 2 AM for him! Jan 12 15:54:13 Go the hell to bed Rod! Jan 12 15:54:13 Rick_work: no, he went to bed a half hour ago or so Jan 12 15:54:15 one more thing... the doctor asks for a language... is it important to pick german if i'm with o2 germany? or i can safely pick uk english? Jan 12 15:54:25 (which i'd prefer, hate german programs) Jan 12 15:54:27 or an hour Jan 12 15:54:59 has anyone looked at the bluetooth tethering built into the german 1.3.5.2 yet? Is it reversable to sprint? Jan 12 15:55:01 muesli: you can pick english Jan 12 15:55:08 I have picked english for that doctor release Jan 12 15:55:15 (on a sprint pre but still) Jan 12 15:55:43 it's world ready, not limited to .de Jan 12 15:56:30 destinal: thats what i was asking Jan 12 15:56:36 imma download the image in a sec Jan 12 15:56:59 can't u flash an sprint image on other pre thats not for sprint Jan 12 15:56:59 ? Jan 12 15:57:10 ok, got the doctor running and my device is connected via usb (webos running on the device)... the next button doesn't become enabled tho Jan 12 15:57:10 atlanta: you could before 1.3.5 Jan 12 15:57:29 oh ok just wondering about getting verizon one to the pre Jan 12 15:57:32 atlanta: after 1.3.5 there's a check in the doctor code to try to confirm the pre it wants to flash matches Jan 12 15:57:33 sprint** Jan 12 15:57:38 am i supposed to reboot the device? Jan 12 15:57:40 destinal: BLAH Jan 12 15:58:00 atlanta: I'm sure we can bypass the check with metadoctor Jan 12 15:58:06 and a new java class Jan 12 15:58:14 destinal: :-) Jan 12 15:58:23 i guess i'm gonna go with the volume up trick? Jan 12 15:58:24 i guess we will be having some fun when it comes out for verizon Jan 12 15:58:33 muesli: that might work Jan 12 15:59:06 muesli: if you have dev mode enabled you don't need vol up trick Jan 12 15:59:16 ah ok, thanks Jan 12 15:59:49 err vol up trick they call it "recovery mode" :) Jan 12 16:00:12 with dev mode enabled the doctor tells the pre to go into recovery mode automagically Jan 12 16:00:14 ok, running now :) Jan 12 16:00:15 thanks guys Jan 12 16:02:58 rofl. Jan 12 16:03:00 someone just walked behind me and said, "Hey, Peckerwood!" Jan 12 16:03:05 they thought i was someone else Jan 12 16:03:20 i bet they feel a bit odd right now, haha Jan 12 16:03:54 you should have turned around and said "what it is, jive turkey!" Jan 12 16:04:05 thats about the same genre of a saying as peckerwood Jan 12 16:04:19 had i only known :( Jan 12 16:04:26 loot_: or turkey jive lol Jan 12 16:05:35 wohoo for bluetooh pan tethering Jan 12 16:05:46 wewt Jan 12 16:05:51 typing on a train with a pre connected to the notebook Jan 12 16:06:31 bt pan? not bt serial? nice Jan 12 16:06:49 * atlanta is going to download the img now Jan 12 16:06:51 1.3.5.2 update Jan 12 16:07:29 pretomcat someone needs to tear it apart and back-port to sprint. :-) Jan 12 16:07:52 Anyone else downloading the update on o2 in the uk? Jan 12 16:07:53 tell me where to look :) Jan 12 16:08:05 destinal: you down to do some SDlterm work this weekend? Jan 12 16:08:12 It's taking forever to download Jan 12 16:08:34 destinal: u have the direct link to that Jan 12 16:08:35 ? Jan 12 16:14:26 ok, the doctor process finished successfully. now my device doesn't want to power on anymore tho? screen just remains black, no matter what i press or do Jan 12 16:14:37 please tell me that i'm just too impatient Jan 12 16:15:24 muesli: take out the batteyr Jan 12 16:15:28 yes, stick it on the charger and go make a coffee Jan 12 16:15:48 muesli: my mom had that Jan 12 16:15:49 lol Jan 12 16:15:57 when she updated to 1.3.5.1 Jan 12 16:16:02 i needed to put my battery in for some reason Jan 12 16:16:05 and it started right up Jan 12 16:16:13 then put hers back in and it worked Jan 12 16:17:13 phew, here we go again, thanks once more :) Jan 12 16:17:25 rwhitby: Can you use -N versions for test packages (preware) so I can update without having to go to terminal on my phone Jan 12 16:17:33 hm.. I thought I remembered powercycling mine a couple times before I gave up and just set it aside for a while and when I came back it was all booted up on it's own. Jan 12 16:20:43 egaudet_work: what are you talking about? ;) Jan 12 16:21:21 luckily flashing the palm is really a bliss compared to winmo devices Jan 12 16:21:29 dBsooner: what am I talking about what Jan 12 16:23:04 hi folks - is anyone there in the USA? Jan 12 16:23:12 definately not Jan 12 16:23:25 everyone in here is from AU Jan 12 16:23:32 CV here Jan 12 16:23:38 and we all have GSM pres Jan 12 16:23:40 ConfusedVorlon whatcha need Jan 12 16:23:41 pish - I know where you are from Puff Jan 12 16:23:54 rick_work: can you try this link http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.hobbyistsoftware.news Jan 12 16:24:00 ConfusedVorlon: down by the sea? Jan 12 16:24:12 puff: exactly Jan 12 16:24:27 I'm trying the 'web distribution' method - but it doesn't work for me here... Jan 12 16:25:00 you do understand you have to go to that url from your pre? Jan 12 16:25:27 puff: in a land called honah lee Jan 12 16:25:35 rick - that's an excellent point! Jan 12 16:26:04 I know Jan 12 16:26:40 still - I don't get a 'go here on your pre' error. I get an 'application not currently available' error... Jan 12 16:26:41 "This is not a valid webos application" Jan 12 16:27:27 it does jump me from the bowser to the app catalog though, which then displays that error Jan 12 16:27:44 I get the same Jan 12 16:27:49 ConfusedVorlon that app does not appear in the feed. Jan 12 16:27:53 has anyone tried web distribution? Jan 12 16:27:53 When did you submit it? Jan 12 16:27:58 5 mins ago Jan 12 16:28:05 ConfusedVorlon give it an hour Jan 12 16:28:06 does it take a while to propogate? Jan 12 16:28:08 just try it on your computer Jan 12 16:28:09 thanks Jan 12 16:28:13 it's not valid Jan 12 16:28:21 Palm claims 15 minutes. Jan 12 16:28:28 There are automated security checks. Jan 12 16:28:46 anyone know what happens if you use the same app id in the web distribution and through the app catalog? Jan 12 16:28:53 and there is a queue for the automated security check system, which is also being used by the app-reviewers for app cat apps. Jan 12 16:29:01 ConfusedVorlon you can't it rejects it. Jan 12 16:29:08 bummer Jan 12 16:29:34 it would be nice to distribute through the store and give updates through web-distrib on a more frequent basis Jan 12 16:29:42 web distribution for example, will not accept anything that contains calls to forbidden api's in the source code. Jan 12 16:29:53 web distribution will not accept anyting with type:game Jan 12 16:29:56 etc etc etc. Jan 12 16:29:56 I have been waiting over a month for an app update to be approved... Jan 12 16:30:04 rick: interesting stuff - thanks Jan 12 16:30:12 ConfusedVorlon have you emailed your minder about it? Jan 12 16:30:15 really, no type:game ? why? because of the PDK? Jan 12 16:30:29 he seems pretty crap - mostly doesn't respond Jan 12 16:30:39 I have emailed multiple times... Jan 12 16:30:40 they are working to clear the queue, but prior to CES the focus was on new apps in order to up the count. Jan 12 16:30:54 ConfusedVorlon that's very sad. My minder is a wonder. Jan 12 16:31:04 rick - mind telling me who you have? Jan 12 16:31:10 Judy. Jan 12 16:31:23 I spoke to her a while back - she did seem very cool Jan 12 16:31:33 mornin' Jan 12 16:34:33 how can i re-add my exchange server's ssl certificate? used to work out of the box the first time i used my palm (asked me to accept it) Jan 12 16:35:03 wait, got an idea already Jan 12 16:36:14 yo all... have been tinkering with altering priority of processes using nice/renice Jan 12 16:36:46 xorg: for what purpose? Jan 12 16:36:49 tried making java/lunamgr/browser highest priority with -20 Jan 12 16:37:03 tested with javascript performance benchmark Jan 12 16:37:17 before priority changes, avg was about 25 Jan 12 16:37:23 after priority changes, avg about 27 Jan 12 16:37:30 Rick_work: for the record, swsurface BREAKS dosbox because you're drawing directly to the fb (so you get artifacts galore). Force egaudet to make a gles primitive for it. Jan 12 16:38:19 am working on 'xorg tools' (post movapp) that does things like setup cron... thinking about adding this as well Jan 12 16:38:48 it sets up samba as well... thinking about adding performance improvements Jan 12 16:38:58 anyone think messing with priority not a good idea? Jan 12 16:39:49 xorg: I'm gonna go with a 'palm knows best' on this one Jan 12 16:41:01 I suppose you can't edit the trac.ini from within Trac web? Jan 12 16:41:03 i found it curious palm sets luna/browser at lower priority than a lot of other system processes Jan 12 16:41:25 If not, Rick_work: feel like ssh'ing to the box to edit trac.ini for me? :) Jan 12 16:41:49 zsoc --- I'm not sure what you are saying, Jan 12 16:42:00 xorg: if it put luna on top it would hog from the background processes Jan 12 16:42:14 etc the java services etc Jan 12 16:42:17 zsoc, are you saying that we have to have GLES before dosbox will work or are you saying that we will ahve to MODIFY dosbox to USE gles. Jan 12 16:42:25 i put java at -20 as well Jan 12 16:42:34 java/browser/luna all at -20 Jan 12 16:43:01 also tried settin n4s at higher priority, it screwed up the sound Jan 12 16:43:11 xorg: how does it run for you Jan 12 16:43:12 the same Jan 12 16:43:12 ? Jan 12 16:43:23 not that it needs it anyway, n4s runs great but is curious to tinker with priority Jan 12 16:43:42 Rick_work: to my understanding, the hack that made dosbox work was forcing swsurface. my very educated guess (based on 20+ apps made to use hwsurface I forced to swsurface), there's no doublebuffering, so all the transforms are being done on screen. Jan 12 16:43:47 i get a slightly higher js benchmark score with java/browser/luna set to -20 Jan 12 16:43:51 so that testgl demo if you start it on slow you can see a triangle on one of the squares. I change it from using GL_TRIANGLE_STRIP to GL_TRIANGLE_FAN it doesn't anymore Jan 12 16:44:14 Rick_work: we HAVE gles Jan 12 16:44:17 Rick_work: gles works, we just need to implement it for dosbox Jan 12 16:45:24 i would recommend that webosinternal stuff be set to a lower priority.... i set dropbear, cron and other stuff to 9 Jan 12 16:45:45 optware and background process stuff that is Jan 12 16:45:50 hah, engadget just posted an article complaining about how AT&T was completely useless at this year's CES. Apparently it was so saturated you couldn't use 3G, couldn't make calls, couldn't even /text/. All other networks were just fine. Jan 12 16:46:43 they watched an nfl game on an iphone (slingplayer), via wifi to the sprint overdrive. haha. Jan 12 16:46:45 xorg: seems reasonable Jan 12 16:46:57 CoolMatty: ha! Jan 12 16:47:54 it can be set in the event.d with a nice command before respawn for most the background stuff Jan 12 16:48:15 hmm, preware doesn't seem to detect my palm in ubuntu x86_64 Jan 12 16:48:22 anybody got any ideas? Jan 12 16:48:34 i think i might add realtime renice changes to 'xorg tools' but not do any permanent changes for a while. Jan 12 16:48:39 I installed novacom using force-architecture Jan 12 16:48:51 rb2k: preware doesn't detect your palm on ubuntu? what? Jan 12 16:48:59 oops, soory Jan 12 16:49:02 not preware Jan 12 16:49:03 quickinstall Jan 12 16:49:10 (i want to INSTALL preware :D ) Jan 12 16:49:16 one step too far :) Jan 12 16:49:28 rb2k: oh.. install novacom, run preware-bootstrap Jan 12 16:49:43 boostrap for the win. Jan 12 16:49:54 s/oos/oot/ Jan 12 16:49:56 ird meant: boottrap for the win. Jan 12 16:49:59 er Jan 12 16:50:02 lulz Jan 12 16:50:14 close enough Jan 12 16:50:16 rb2k: novacom -t open tty:// Jan 12 16:50:43 start it as root? (for preware-bootstrap) ? Jan 12 16:51:42 rb2k: don't worrk about bootstrap for now, you need to get into your phone first. yes, switch to root (sudo -i) and run that novacom command Jan 12 16:51:59 rb2k: ridiculous question, you have devmode on? Jan 12 16:52:04 yes I do :) Jan 12 16:52:14 kk Jan 12 16:52:24 zsoc|work: I am sure that isn't as rediculous as you think it is Jan 12 16:52:29 attach phone, set to "charge only" Jan 12 16:52:31 no, you're right Jan 12 16:52:50 to be honest, I haven't read too much on anything else but the quikinstall thingy Jan 12 16:52:52 :) Jan 12 16:53:05 but I should manage do do stuff :) Jan 12 16:53:09 rb2k: if you're using linux, don't bother with it Jan 12 16:53:14 k Jan 12 16:53:26 rb2k: does novacom work? Jan 12 16:53:26 tty:// <-- placeholder for something? Jan 12 16:53:29 npoe Jan 12 16:53:35 can't connect to server Jan 12 16:53:39 rb2k: no, you type exactly what I wrote Jan 12 16:53:40 I'm not sure it is started properly Jan 12 16:53:43 if there is a service Jan 12 16:53:56 "failed to connect to server" Jan 12 16:55:21 rb2k: how did you install novacom? Jan 12 16:55:35 the palm deb file, force arch Jan 12 16:55:46 rb2k: try: sudo /opt/Palm/novacom/novacomd Jan 12 16:56:19 opened up fine Jan 12 16:56:31 you have ubuntu 9.10 I assume Jan 12 16:56:31 ah Jan 12 16:56:33 I got shell :) Jan 12 16:56:34 yes Jan 12 16:56:39 probably upstart? Jan 12 16:56:44 yea, no more eventd, it's depreciated Jan 12 16:56:47 k Jan 12 16:56:47 now: Jan 12 16:57:14 cd /tmp; wget http://bit.ly/preware-bootstrap; sh preware-bootstrap Jan 12 16:57:26 on the device? Jan 12 16:57:39 you're on the device :) yes Jan 12 16:57:52 yeah, if I should do that there :) Jan 12 16:57:57 do I want alpha stuff? Jan 12 16:57:59 probably not I guess Jan 12 16:58:02 probably not Jan 12 16:58:07 if you have to ask lol Jan 12 16:58:10 yay ipkg Jan 12 16:58:25 (the same ipkg as on openwrt devices?) Jan 12 16:58:33 setup complete Jan 12 16:58:37 do i haz win? Jan 12 16:58:43 rb2k: you are full of win Jan 12 16:58:48 perfect :) Jan 12 16:58:58 oh look at that Jan 12 16:58:59 preware :) Jan 12 16:59:06 anything else I should know? Jan 12 16:59:33 rb2k: yes, the same ipkg... you from openwrt/slug Jan 12 16:59:48 rb2k: don't follow any advice on the precentral forums Jan 12 17:00:00 ok, will do :) Jan 12 17:00:00 heh Jan 12 17:00:03 or won't do :P Jan 12 17:00:10 reboot the device? Jan 12 17:00:13 rb2k: webos-internals.org wiki = safe info Jan 12 17:00:24 rb2k: also, never reboot your device for no reason :p Jan 12 17:00:51 I want the package management icon to be gone! :) Jan 12 17:01:02 rb2k: also, install wIRC and chill with us. you now owe 1 newbie some advice ;) Jan 12 17:01:13 rb2k: restart just Luna, pkill Luna Jan 12 17:01:26 cool Jan 12 17:01:38 I think me and Palm, we're going to be friends Jan 12 17:01:59 I will second most of what z just said, but I won't say which , cuz i'm evil like that Jan 12 17:02:00 http://theoatmeal.com/comics/printers <-- I lol'd hard. (offtopic) Jan 12 17:02:33 rb2k: I mentioned earlier Jan 12 17:02:46 the init.d dir has a novacom symlink Jan 12 17:02:52 that's a bug Jan 12 17:03:25 you have to remove symlink and replace it with the regular file that the symlink points at Jan 12 17:03:30 rb2k: where are you from? you seem knowledgable, yet new to webos. Jan 12 17:03:37 destinal: found a terminal that uses efl Jan 12 17:03:47 stuttgart germany Jan 12 17:03:48 destinal: why hasn't that got fixed btw? Jan 12 17:03:54 doing my masters degree in comp sci atm Jan 12 17:03:58 so I should know some stuff Jan 12 17:04:10 did the whole iphone -> android -> webos trail :P Jan 12 17:04:15 rb2k: your english is excellent ;) Jan 12 17:04:17 --> http://blog.marc-seeger.de Jan 12 17:04:17 puff whoa nice Jan 12 17:04:29 rb2k: so you don't have to run novacomd by hand Jan 12 17:04:38 it should run from init Jan 12 17:04:55 meh Jan 12 17:05:04 I'd rather run it by hand :) Jan 12 17:05:10 the less init stuff the better Jan 12 17:05:12 zsoc: has it been officially reported to palm Jan 12 17:05:21 destinal-wirc: oh.. right. really it's not a bug so much as eventd depreciation. Jan 12 17:05:57 no it's a bug Jan 12 17:05:57 why arent you guys jumping up and down Jan 12 17:06:03 destinal-wirc: there's a patched .deb on codemonkies that works on dpkg install just fine. we should link to it in the wiki Jan 12 17:06:13 Puff: efl term? Jan 12 17:06:16 coooool Jan 12 17:06:19 puff I sure am Jan 12 17:06:29 PuffTheMagic: I don't understand the intonation of it Jan 12 17:06:41 zsoc|work: ? Jan 12 17:06:48 i have a evas/ecore based terminal Jan 12 17:06:51 sooooo many apps *drool* Jan 12 17:06:52 zsoc: they used a symlink where symlinks aren't honored Jan 12 17:06:58 PuffTheMagic: OH. AWESOME Jan 12 17:07:05 Puff: link Jan 12 17:07:08 destinal-wirc: ah, got it Jan 12 17:07:17 destinal: let me build it Jan 12 17:07:18 :D Jan 12 17:07:42 Greets all! I installed the optware installer via optware-bootstrap-manual.sh and would like to try the "new" way of doing it via preware: do I need to uninstall stuff before I start that process or will it see the install already exists and just reference it? Jan 12 17:07:47 rb2k: lol yeah we're pretty much the best ;) by default you have app catalog stuff in there too. check the menu to turn feeds on/off and change prefs Jan 12 17:08:15 the app store finally gave me a message on my upload. They're saying 2 hrs to go live. Not too bad I suppose... Jan 12 17:08:46 flare576: last time someone said that rod said just do it and see what happens, but that was a few weeks ago Jan 12 17:09:17 zsoc|work: meh, good advice I guess: worst that will happen is I have to doctor and deal with re-linking 10-20 accounts Jan 12 17:09:45 but, it does sound like a "Back up anything you don't want to lose" proposition ;) Jan 12 17:11:10 PuffTheMagic, I can't wait Jan 12 17:12:02 is there a facebook app for palm pre called "facepalm" Jan 12 17:12:05 that would be epic! Jan 12 17:12:17 hahaha Jan 12 17:12:25 rb2k: make it right now Jan 12 17:12:40 After I install http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Dropbear , do I also use "Terminal" to make an underprivilaged user? Or is there a different mindset behind the app (ie: if you install the app, you don't want to PuTTy in) Jan 12 17:13:06 yes create a user Jan 12 17:14:05 hrm, maybe that should be in those instructions. I'll take notes as I go through this "new" way of doing it. Jan 12 17:16:35 flare576: the best way of doing it is just isntalling OpenSSH or Dropbear from Preware. Jan 12 17:16:58 flare576: and using SSH Keys to authenticate as root. Jan 12 17:17:29 dBsooner: Ohhh, I understand; no underprivilaged user because you're using certs/keys instead. Jan 12 17:17:40 that part went over my head initially Jan 12 17:18:20 I use dropbear and putty in. You may or may not want to manually edit /etc/event.d/mobi.optware.dropbear to allow password based login. Jan 12 17:18:33 since you spoke up, I'll ask again: I already used the optware-bootstrap-manual.sh script manually: should I remove anything before startting the Preware route? (dropbear/openssh/optware itself) Jan 12 17:18:44 flare576: exactly Jan 12 17:19:19 KEYofR: I'm a bad linux user: the first command I run once I'm in as my underprivilaged is "sudo -i su" Jan 12 17:19:22 flare576: I'm not very familiar with the bootstrap method. :( Jan 12 17:20:06 that's fine, zsoc|work recomended the 'ol "It's easier for ask for forgiveness than it is for permission" route and see what happens. Jan 12 17:20:14 is there pptp or openvpn support on the pre? Jan 12 17:21:13 destinal: re: mobilehotspot commands returning "not running", the line rwhitby mentioned just had a typo, the following works fine: luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.mobilehotspot/setDebugLevel '{"debugLevel": "10"}' Jan 12 17:21:15 rb2k: there is an OpenVPN in the optware feed Jan 12 17:21:16 hrm... where does the Preware version install dropbear? I just realized that I probably don't want 2 copies running side-by-side. Jan 12 17:22:37 I wasn't able to get much further in poking at the mobilehotspotd binary yesterday than what you guys already saw with a clientList and addInterface methods. Probably easiest just to see what the verizon doctor shows re: mobilehotspot code. Jan 12 17:23:58 flare: /opt/sbin /opt/etc /etc/event.d Jan 12 17:25:06 Pre is transfering files so I can't use CLI reliably at the momment, but it looks the same as the script Jan 12 17:26:16 once it's done I'll just start installing via Preware. Everything I've seen from the app suggests that if it finds a problem in the process, it'll let me know. Jan 12 17:26:59 preware is quite reliable at the moment Jan 12 17:28:36 I'm actually curious what happens when I install the bootstrap loader via Preware with the optware installer already present... here we go. Jan 12 17:32:44 I've done that. I noticed no problems. It might have left some dangling files left over, I haven't done anything like a thorough audit. but no apparent problems. Jan 12 17:33:48 . Jan 12 17:34:27 destinal: ping Jan 12 17:35:08 destinal: the terminal that I found is called enterminus.... it was gonna be used for e17 but it hasnt been worked on for 2 years Jan 12 17:35:11 it uses efl Jan 12 17:35:14 hey, played arround a bit with the webosinternals pdk and tried to compile vba... i run ./configure --with-sdl-prefix=/usr/local but it always reports that zlib is missing... i have installed in tho through the ubuntu package manager Jan 12 17:35:19 which is evas/ecore etc. Jan 12 17:35:36 destinal: its got some X11 calls in it which need to be converted over to sdl stuff Jan 12 17:35:45 evas_x11 i shoudl say Jan 12 17:35:50 its just a few functions Jan 12 17:35:56 but anyway Jan 12 17:36:03 i can get it to run for a few seconds Jan 12 17:36:05 then it crashes Jan 12 17:36:09 and the gdb on the pre sucks Jan 12 17:36:13 soi cant really debug it Jan 12 17:36:21 so i might have to make it run on my laptop first using SDl Jan 12 17:36:24 what's wrong with gdb? Jan 12 17:36:30 zsoc|work: its useless Jan 12 17:36:37 ... Jan 12 17:37:17 all i get is this: Jan 12 17:37:18 #0 0x0000dd8e in ?? () Jan 12 17:37:18 Cannot access memory at address 0x4b8 Jan 12 17:37:48 PuffTheMagic: enterminus is CodeWarrior's project. I myself thought it was a little ambitious at the time Jan 12 17:38:26 hm Jan 12 17:38:40 xcomp: well i want to revivie it Jan 12 17:38:50 since its a dead project for all intent and purpose Jan 12 17:39:06 i have no idea how far along he got with it ... by all means, see what you can do Jan 12 17:39:19 xcomp: i used to use it when i ran e17 back in the day Jan 12 17:39:21 so i know it works Jan 12 17:39:28 it would be a better starting point for anything we do Jan 12 17:39:31 term wise that is Jan 12 17:39:39 there really wasn't any demand for it at the time because everyone uses Eterm instead Jan 12 17:39:47 which is imlib2-base Jan 12 17:39:49 *based Jan 12 17:40:01 and pretty much fit everyone's needs Jan 12 17:40:04 xcomp: well you dont have to justify why its not being used Jan 12 17:40:08 it will eb good for us Jan 12 17:40:28 yeah, I'm just commenting about why it "died" Jan 12 17:41:21 if it was actually usable, then that's good -- it may not take much work to turn it into something viable for the pre Jan 12 17:41:34 Sonic-NKT: dtzWill|away already got vba working on the Pre last night Jan 12 17:41:55 xcomp: i get a bash prompt when i start it (for the 4 seconds it says alive before segfaulting) Jan 12 17:41:59 has anyone worked on adding gstreamer plugins to the pre? Jan 12 17:42:00 xcomp: so i would say its a good start Jan 12 17:42:23 or had success? Jan 12 17:42:43 * xcomp likes segfaults, but only when they come with plenty of debugging symbols Jan 12 17:43:53 @CoolMatty: i assume that :) im trying to build the version on git... thought i should work right out of the box Jan 12 17:44:42 ah Jan 12 17:45:43 sonic we're not sure in dtz pushed his last changes to git. he sort of fell over dead in exhaustion just as he was hitting Enter to post the download link for the binary to us Jan 12 17:45:56 heh Jan 12 17:46:00 well I already had the binary running myself Jan 12 17:46:04 so he did get one working binary out :p Jan 12 17:46:09 did he do anything else later last night? Jan 12 17:46:24 what did I just say? Jan 12 17:46:38 xcomp: you are getting the fontconfig patch from your own server? Jan 12 17:46:47 that are good news :) Jan 12 17:46:50 KEYofR: do you know what changes he made then? :p Jan 12 17:46:52 in the cross-compile Makefile ? Jan 12 17:46:59 xcomp: yeah i have no idea why its crashing Jan 12 17:47:02 how is it... without any arm optimization? Jan 12 17:47:14 uhm Jan 12 17:47:16 not sure, probably not. he did hang around a little while, you were here, . I am exagerating a little but only a little ;) Jan 12 17:47:20 gb/gbc run perfectly Sonic-NKT Jan 12 17:47:38 jacques: yeah, wasn't sure where else to put it Jan 12 17:47:39 gba runs at 60% speed with soudn off. 40% with it on, or thereabouts (aka runs like crap with sound on) Jan 12 17:47:42 xcomp: I'm getting a 403 error on http://xcomputerman.com/files/efl_webos/fontconfig-2.3.2.patch Jan 12 17:47:51 oh, that's not right Jan 12 17:47:53 hold on Jan 12 17:47:59 xcomp: why not put it in same dir with Makefile ? Jan 12 17:48:00 odd. the Dropbear App installer script on Preware creates it's own RSA and DSS host keys during install; are these different than the ones I would be creating via the rest of the instructions? If I already have RSA keys, should I replace the ones it creates, or is there a need for 2 different sets? It creats them under /opt/etc/dropbear/dropbear_rsa_host_key Jan 12 17:48:22 my emulation speed numbers are based off of golden sun 2, btw. less intense games may run better on GBA Jan 12 17:48:36 sorry if this is an odd question: I don't know a lot about certs in regards to SSH servers. Jan 12 17:48:38 jacques: of course, that would be the smart thing to do. Jan 12 17:48:42 silly me Jan 12 17:48:54 flare host key != public & private user login keys Jan 12 17:48:57 xcomp: np :-) Jan 12 17:48:59 didnt believe it (gba) would be much faster :) Jan 12 17:49:11 i think for that someone has to look at gpsp Jan 12 17:49:21 jacques: that said, I don't know hwy you would get a 403... it seems to download fine Jan 12 17:49:25 permissions are ok Jan 12 17:49:50 so, no you don't need to generate new host keys, yes you do need to generate a key pair for a user to log in. Jan 12 17:49:50 thanks KEYofR :) Jan 12 17:50:07 xcomp: hmm I just tried it on a different machine and also got 403, but there is a slight change it's because of the proxy here at work Jan 12 17:50:18 yea unfortunately I couldn't tweak VBA to run it better besides turning sound off anyway, since dtzWill|away removed all the video options (for good reason, he's redoing the renderer and implementing a few basic options in a more userfriendly way) Jan 12 17:50:43 but without doing some actual code work it's not going to hit 100% anyway Jan 12 17:50:48 jacques: the efl packages are going to be in the same dir, so I need to know that they download Ok Jan 12 17:50:49 I think I understand: when putty connects it asks the host for it's key, then checks it against it's "Known Host" file, and warns if no match. Then the user keys come into play, right? Jan 12 17:51:02 yep Jan 12 17:51:03 xcomp: for some reason the proxy here at work thinks the source site is about games, and it's blocking it Jan 12 17:51:17 eh? Jan 12 17:51:18 it's nice when things click. thank you very much for patience. Jan 12 17:51:25 xcomp: i added -g to cflags and now i get no segfault Jan 12 17:51:26 do you mind sharing the binary CoolMatty... if that is ok? Jan 12 17:51:34 xcomp: so sorry it's not your site's problem. but I still think it's better to put the patch in the repo in same dir as Makefile Jan 12 17:51:51 jacques: yeah I'm doing that right now ... will commit in a couple of minutes Jan 12 17:52:15 I could give you the same URL dtzWill|away gave me I guess, I assume he doesn't care since he posted it publically :p Jan 12 17:52:19 you can do the user keys two ways, generate a pair on the device and copy the private one to your pc, or generate on your pc (puttygen) and copy the public one to the server (the pre) Jan 12 17:52:29 The URL you have requested is blocked by Surf Protection. If you think this is wrong, please contact your administrator Games not allowed. Jan 12 17:52:41 I really hate this proxy Jan 12 17:52:44 that would be cool :) Jan 12 17:52:44 also, dBsooner / zsoc|work : I read the script for the Dropbear installer on Preware: it stops the old versions, removes the start script, and then runs the normal install; so yeah, I think I'm solid :D Jan 12 17:52:49 Sonic-NKT: cd /media/internal ; mkdir vba; cd vba ;wget http://wdtz.org/files/vba ; chmod 755 vba ; wget some-rom.gbc ; vba file.gbc Jan 12 17:52:52 jacques: just use an ssh proxy? Jan 12 17:53:03 nice Jan 12 17:53:04 jacques: I don't think I'm important enough to be included in a blacklist ... lol Jan 12 17:53:43 jacques: ssh -D server.to.proxy.through Jan 12 17:53:50 KEYofR: That's a cool idea (keep the private one on PC), but my Pre is the only system I have that would use certs, so I think it makes more sense for the device to be my "home base" and have the private key. Jan 12 17:53:55 Lumiere: hmm? I cannot initiate any connections from inside Jan 12 17:54:08 jacques: you can't ssh? Jan 12 17:54:09 Sonic-NKT: to turn sound off, make a text file in that vba directory called VisualBoyAdvance.cfg file and add: soundOff=1 Jan 12 17:54:18 Lumiere: not to the internet, no. Jan 12 17:54:22 eww Jan 12 17:54:47 CoolMatty: Thanks! will play arround with it a bit? are the controls hardcoded or is it possible to change them? Jan 12 17:54:54 I could rant for an hour about the IT dept here and how they affect my work negatively, but I won't Jan 12 17:54:57 flare: the "server" need the public key. if you are sshing IN to the pre from a pc, then the pre needs the public key from a key pair Jan 12 17:55:13 * Lumiere happily is the IT dept here Jan 12 17:55:14 I'm on webchat because they won't allow irc Jan 12 17:55:19 they're defaulted, and there's no UI, so you'd have to rebind using the config file. but the default works well enough Jan 12 17:55:19 jacques: it's there now Jan 12 17:55:30 xcomp: thank you Jan 12 17:55:32 (it's wsad, and K L is A/B, and enter is start) Jan 12 17:56:12 and as dtzWill|away told me, this is /alpha/ software. expect bugs, don't cry about crashes, and use at your own risk :p Jan 12 17:56:26 * xcomp tries to figure out exactly how stage-rootfs works Jan 12 17:56:37 KEYofR: I suppose that makes sense... as a bad linux user, I have the pair on both my PC and the device atm lol Jan 12 17:57:01 ohhhhhh .... I know why it failed. It needs libgnutls.so as a symlink Jan 12 17:57:19 xcomp: one last step - please modify the fontconfig makefile to use the local patch :-D Jan 12 17:57:37 jacques: I thought I did... Jan 12 17:57:58 gb speed and sound is really good :) controls are working fine too... Jan 12 17:58:22 jacques: argh, forgot the -a option Jan 12 17:58:35 is it possible to adjust the screen stretching? Jan 12 17:58:48 flare that works. it's not advised by security experts but I do it too. what I was saying though was more about how it works and what is actually possible / impossible. for a given ssh session, the "server" needs the public key and the "client" needs the private key. it's not a choice. copying both to both works. Jan 12 17:59:18 though, in putty you still have to know to tell putty the private key file name not the public one. Jan 12 17:59:30 jacques: try again Jan 12 17:59:49 xcomp: so your site has nothing to do with games? maybe I can get it removed from the blacklist here - it should only take about three months :-( Jan 12 17:59:50 KEYofR: just about to do that... I have a lingering SSH session open with the old dropbear install just in case Jan 12 18:00:07 jacques: absolutely nothing :) Jan 12 18:00:24 it's just a blog Jan 12 18:00:39 and i'm not even sure what it's about Jan 12 18:01:15 xcomp: yeah I get lost of false positives with this stupid proxy Jan 12 18:01:32 Space and @ are keys too (buttons in vba) @ was turbo Jan 12 18:01:37 it's building fontconfig now Jan 12 18:01:37 Sonic-NKT: no, as I said, he removed all video options when he redid the renderer. there will be scaling options later as part of a decent UI Jan 12 18:01:42 space is... pause? Jan 12 18:01:50 enter is the start key Jan 12 18:01:54 but space might be as well :p Jan 12 18:02:03 oh Jan 12 18:02:07 unless you mean emulation pause Jan 12 18:02:48 space seems to be select Jan 12 18:02:51 yea Jan 12 18:02:52 it is Jan 12 18:02:55 no, it was a key the rom understood and causes spyhunter to pause, as in, display a pause menu Jan 12 18:03:05 select? ok Jan 12 18:03:05 it's teh select button Jan 12 18:03:43 I imagine there's a button for L and R as well (for GBA) Jan 12 18:03:46 never having had a gameboy I'm a little blind Jan 12 18:03:55 hrm, putty doesn't like my keys... Jan 12 18:04:45 the only rom worth having on GB is Tetris :D Jan 12 18:04:55 seems to crash minimized ... Jan 12 18:04:55 I still have my original tetris cartridge too Jan 12 18:05:29 indeed it does Sonic-NKT :p Jan 12 18:05:32 welcome to alpha :D Jan 12 18:06:26 would have been a strange feature for an alpha to feature working pause mode when minimized... i dream tho :D Jan 12 18:06:28 flare: all ssh apps have slightly different formatting for the key files. It's annoying. the format of a key file has certain hard rules, but leaves other things undefined, so, sometimes you can have a file that both putty and openssh understand, or openssh and ssh2, or any of above and dropbear. Jan 12 18:07:11 it's not unusual to have to manually doctor a key file generated by software A to work with software B. Jan 12 18:08:22 is there a significant performance difference between dropbear and openssh on the pre? Jan 12 18:08:40 If you generated the keys on dropbear, then run puttygen and use it to generate a new key pair and look at what puttygen creates, edit the dropbear file to match Jan 12 18:09:05 I've been using openssh just because I'm familiar with it, but if dropbear is significantly faster I might consider changing to that Jan 12 18:09:13 KEYofR: woah... I decided to try to run the dropbear key gen to see what I should be making my existing keys look like... I don't think they're speaking the same language. The one I have is roughly 1600 ascii symbols.... the one dropbear made is a ton of special symbols. Jan 12 18:09:29 the real data is the same in the middle, but things like, some header/footer text, chopping the lines etc Jan 12 18:09:45 destinal: enterminus works :D Jan 12 18:11:49 lawl vba just forced my phone to reboot Jan 12 18:11:50 woohoo Jan 12 18:13:50 bah, nuts to this. I only use these keys for the pre anyway: I have a new private key! lol Jan 12 18:17:09 man gb is running so smooth :) cant wait for a new version with a nice WebOS Gui... Jan 12 18:18:44 pff outstanding Jan 12 18:18:52 puff that is Jan 12 18:19:11 :D Jan 12 18:19:18 runs nice! Jan 12 18:20:14 you do mean on the pre? not just that you got a sdl version going on a pc? Jan 12 18:21:31 yeah on the pre Jan 12 18:21:33 its working Jan 12 18:21:37 still might crash Jan 12 18:21:41 but it hasnt on me in a long time Jan 12 18:23:22 who wants to try this out :D Jan 12 18:23:29 PuffTheMagic: great work Jan 12 18:23:34 definitely want to try it out Jan 12 18:23:39 xcomp: its still a first cut Jan 12 18:23:41 not even Jan 12 18:23:45 alpha alpha Jan 12 18:23:49 but it works Jan 12 18:23:52 decent Jan 12 18:24:00 need to fix some keybindings and what not Jan 12 18:24:01 gb? Jan 12 18:24:06 and GLES woudl be nicer Jan 12 18:24:09 but this is a start Jan 12 18:24:12 dBsooner: ? Jan 12 18:24:24 "man gb is running so smooth" Jan 12 18:24:51 xcomp: do you have evas/ecore/eet/etc. on your pre? Jan 12 18:24:56 dBsooner: huh? Jan 12 18:25:10 idoidoidoido Jan 12 18:25:18 ? Jan 12 18:25:21 Sonic-NKT said ^^ .. I was wndering what GB is Jan 12 18:25:33 KEYofR: wget http://omploader.org/vMzhrcA -O efl.tar.bz2 Jan 12 18:25:37 PuffTheMagic: right now in the sandbox. I haven't built edje yet, not sure if enterminus uses edje Jan 12 18:25:41 KEYofR: extract that in /usr/local/lib Jan 12 18:25:45 WHAT runs nice? Jan 12 18:25:52 Mousey: enterminus Jan 12 18:26:05 * Mousey starts his googlestopwatch Jan 12 18:27:27 xcomp: KEYofR: wget http://omploader.org/vMzhrcg -O enterminus Jan 12 18:27:30 thats the binary Jan 12 18:27:37 the data dir is comming up Jan 12 18:27:38 r0d3nt? why aren't you in #sblug???? Jan 12 18:27:50 KEYofR: if you have more time to help me: When Putty tries to connect after I tell it where my key is, it says it can't use it because (OpenSSH SSH-2 private key), which I thought is what it wanted.... Jan 12 18:27:55 i just woke up! Jan 12 18:28:08 good morning Mousey Jan 12 18:28:13 mornin Jan 12 18:28:32 enterminus the terminal emulator for E17?! Jan 12 18:29:02 flare use puttygen to create a key pair and copy the public one to the pre in /var/home/user/.ssh Jan 12 18:29:17 KEYofR: did u get those 2 urls? Jan 12 18:29:32 gimme a few minutes and I'll be more specific. I want to get this terminal from Ryan before I explode Jan 12 18:29:43 xcomp: you get that binary? Jan 12 18:30:06 KEYofR: ignore me :) I'll solve my problem you work on the term stuff: I want an awesome term more than I want SSH Jan 12 18:30:41 http://omploader.org/vMzhrcw -O enterminus-data.tar.bz2 Jan 12 18:30:49 extract that in /usr/local/share/enterminus Jan 12 18:30:57 let me know if there are any issues Jan 12 18:31:15 PuffTheMagic: what's in that tarball? Jan 12 18:31:20 is it a good terminal for pre? Jan 12 18:32:13 xcomp: in the data one? Jan 12 18:32:20 yeah Jan 12 18:32:37 a font and a few texture/backgrounds Jan 12 18:32:38 PuffTheMagic: looks like you didn't link against the webos expat Jan 12 18:32:45 grr received a call , on the pre... how annoying that my phone is also well, a phone heh Jan 12 18:32:49 xcomp: nope sure didnt Jan 12 18:32:59 xcomp: this has all been real quick Jan 12 18:33:09 PuffTheMagic: i'll need that to check out Jan 12 18:33:12 i need to fix the libjpeg and expact Jan 12 18:33:26 xcomp: use the efl.tar.bz2 that i posed above Jan 12 18:33:28 KEYofR: or that it actually can receive calls! Maybe you should switch to an iPhone Jan 12 18:33:32 "yeah that's fascinating mr customer sir now go away i'm doing something here..." Jan 12 18:33:43 xcomp: just set the right dir with LD_LIBRARY_PATH Jan 12 18:34:07 Mousey: yes its a "good" terminal for the Pre Jan 12 18:34:20 Mousey: not perfect yet Jan 12 18:34:40 basically just compiled an existing project and changed screen size and term rows/cols Jan 12 18:35:01 regardless of font-size? Jan 12 18:35:12 Mousey: font size is fixed right now Jan 12 18:35:16 cuz i have a remarkably small font for my term. it messes with the terminal i use now Jan 12 18:35:16 oh Jan 12 18:35:24 i had it on 8 Jan 12 18:35:28 that was a little tiny Jan 12 18:35:30 but usable Jan 12 18:35:32 PuffTheMagic how hard to do keymapping in it? Jan 12 18:35:33 its on 10 now Jan 12 18:35:42 Rick_work: i havent looked but shouldnt be hard Jan 12 18:35:43 sounds big Jan 12 18:35:49 4 or 6 is what i'd use Jan 12 18:35:56 i've spent like less than an hour on this so far Jan 12 18:36:01 Mousey: hahaha ok Jan 12 18:36:04 ^_^ Jan 12 18:36:10 * PuffTheMagic passed Mousey a magnifying glass Jan 12 18:36:17 my eyes are EPIC Jan 12 18:36:21 (for now) Jan 12 18:36:39 Rick_work: i will make a repo for this later this week and start making it nicer Jan 12 18:36:45 Rick_work: too much packing to do still Jan 12 18:36:51 but i had to take a break and hack some Jan 12 18:36:52 :D Jan 12 18:37:40 i need to run to the bbs Jan 12 18:38:20 HAH! my new key is ~200 characters.... the old one was 1600. Something tells me I didn't need quite that high of a level of encryption. Jan 12 18:40:27 PuffTheMagic: well, it works... good job Jan 12 18:40:42 looks like enterminus will be the first evas application in preware Jan 12 18:41:17 as soon as it recognizes the orange key Jan 12 18:41:18 :) Jan 12 18:41:36 and we can use gestures to scroll Jan 12 18:42:57 WOOOT! Jan 12 18:43:03 * dBsooner just got his FIRST donation! Jan 12 18:43:38 and now all the pieces fall together: it was 1600 characters because it was pass-phrase protected and I forgot. learning is fun, relearning is a bitch. Jan 12 18:45:49 PuffTheMagic: cool Jan 12 18:45:55 PuffTheMagic: en? Jan 12 18:47:50 the "en" before terminus just kind of feels wrong, but ok Jan 12 18:55:50 PuffTheMagic: it feels a little faster than our webos terminal but not as fast as I hoped Jan 12 18:56:29 sup guys Jan 12 18:56:39 the font is weird in eterminus for me. widely spaced. screen edge ->|r o o t @p a l m- w e b o s - d e v i c e / v a r|<- edge of screen Jan 12 18:58:22 ...and I'm locked up... Jan 12 18:58:54 possibly from the other terminal though since thats how I launched eterminus Jan 12 18:59:18 KEYofR: I would try ssh'ing in to launch it for now Jan 12 18:59:22 or novaterm Jan 12 19:00:18 yeah I'll try that after it reboots. I did try that initially but didn't give it the few seconds it needs to draw it's first text Jan 12 19:00:53 so I thought the black screen was "dummy you can't launch it from a ssh session" Jan 12 19:01:34 still not rebooting, guess I gotta powercycle Jan 12 19:03:16 PuffTheMagic: is enterminus what it was already called? total coincidence that we were talking about the same base for the name? Jan 12 19:03:46 PuffTheMagic: appears so Jan 12 19:04:33 I know en for enlightenment but enterminus doesn't exactly roll of the tongue :) Jan 12 19:04:40 s/of/off/ Jan 12 19:04:40 destinal meant: I know en for enlightenment but enterminus doesn't exactly roll off the tongue :) Jan 12 19:05:54 eterminus Jan 12 19:07:23 KEYofR: en is what the project is called that Puff ported Jan 12 19:07:38 s/en/enterminus/ Jan 12 19:07:39 destinal meant: KEYofR: enterminus is what the project is called that Puff ported Jan 12 19:07:48 ok, I think this is an intelligent question, but we'll see: When I generate a test key for syntax with dropbear, the end of the publc key has root@palm-webos-device. Do I need to stick that at the end of my public key from puttygen, or does the fact that my puttygen key isn't being created by that user mean I need to approach from another direct? Jan 12 19:08:23 flare576: no, you don't need it Jan 12 19:09:29 destinal: ok, then I'm lost. I generated a new key with putty gen, copied the public key to /home/root/.ssh/authorized_keys, and used the private key in putty to connect, and dropbear is refusing me. Jan 12 19:09:31 dest: correct I see it now. http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/browser/trunk/e17/proto/enterminus?rev=13067 Jan 12 19:10:09 flare576: sounds odd for sure Jan 12 19:10:18 flare576: are the permissions on .ssh and its contents restricted? they need to be Jan 12 19:10:31 ohhh, haven't checked that... Jan 12 19:10:33 I recommend 700 for the directory, 600 for the contents Jan 12 19:10:52 I'll go through the motions flare and see whats up. puttygen outputs a few different ways so probably its just a matter of picking the right one Jan 12 19:11:14 the crap-apps are multiplying :-( Jan 12 19:11:19 in app catalog Jan 12 19:11:46 jacques: I mostly ignore the AC Jan 12 19:11:53 flare576: I'm just hopping in the middle here, don't know all of the details of what you're trying to do, but that is a common problem when deploying ssh keys -- at least with openssh. I haven't checked if dropbear has the same rules or not Jan 12 19:12:19 nt4cats|work: always an awesome idea (I changed them, they were more open), but it doesn't seem to help Jan 12 19:12:45 flare576: what does /var/log/messages say? Jan 12 19:12:58 dest: maybe we can call it "enter-" enterminus Jan 12 19:15:06 destinal: yeah actually i told you it sounded familar Jan 12 19:15:13 did any of you try that? Jan 12 19:15:32 KEYofR: "enter, minus" :P Jan 12 19:15:40 flare: or, you could just edit /etc/event.d/mobi.optware.dropbear and remove the command line options that prevent password authentication. Jan 12 19:15:40 destinal: we can rename it to terminus Jan 12 19:15:43 cause it is a fork Jan 12 19:15:45 nt4cats|work: hrm, it's complaining about my blank password, but it's supposed to be blank Jan 12 19:15:48 and the project is sorta dead Jan 12 19:15:53 it's supposed to be using certs Jan 12 19:15:58 en was for enlightenment im sure] Jan 12 19:16:01 mayhaps this is a configuration issue. Jan 12 19:16:03 PuffTheMagic: sure, it works pretty well, there are some weird issues with drawing the last line Jan 12 19:16:15 destinal: yeah i saw that Jan 12 19:16:28 but that took 30 min and i had it working Jan 12 19:16:32 also it doesn't create a tty the same way terminal does so you don't show up as logged in, we can fix that though Jan 12 19:16:39 so... im down to spending more time on it ;) Jan 12 19:16:58 yeah Jan 12 19:17:01 we fork it Jan 12 19:17:09 PuffTheMagic: biggest thing is it seems to be pretty slow to draw, any idea why?: Jan 12 19:17:20 I mean I knew terminal was slow Jan 12 19:17:23 i just noticed a 'mobilehotspotd' service... and it's started by default... anyone dig into that? Jan 12 19:17:24 but this shouldn't be Jan 12 19:17:32 xorg: check today's log Jan 12 19:17:41 we're digging a bit Jan 12 19:17:44 destinal: i thought it was faster than the old term Jan 12 19:17:50 but i haddent used that in a while Jan 12 19:17:56 PuffTheMagic: I think it is faster than terminal Jan 12 19:18:01 nt4cats|work: ok, it's running as described: exec /opt/sbin/dropbear -s -g -F -p 22 Jan 12 19:18:01 PuffTheMagic: but not as fast as it should be Jan 12 19:18:13 destinal: ehhh Jan 12 19:18:23 destinal: non accelerated fb's are slow Jan 12 19:18:23 well, I'm on a new path, off and away, thanks for the poiner1 Jan 12 19:18:28 even on good computers Jan 12 19:18:45 PuffTheMagic: if we get evas working with opengl-es will that automatically make this hw accelerated? Jan 12 19:18:53 yeah Jan 12 19:19:10 destinal: really we need an evas grid object to make an app like enterminus work effectively Jan 12 19:19:35 xcomp: grid object? Jan 12 19:19:49 yeah text grid Jan 12 19:20:11 PuffTheMagic: I wonder how we could add a menu bar Jan 12 19:20:14 instead of lots of text objects Jan 12 19:20:15 first thing mentioned here: http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/Evas Jan 12 19:20:18 destinal: i was thinking about that Jan 12 19:20:31 destinal: i can come up with something in evas Jan 12 19:20:57 destinal: maybe use multitouch gesture to bring up menu Jan 12 19:21:11 or is gestures for changing font size? Jan 12 19:21:13 :D Jan 12 19:21:28 maybe hotspots for menu Jan 12 19:21:36 PuffTheMagic: well, multitouch zoom in/out to change font size could be handy Jan 12 19:21:49 yeah so we could do that with hot spots Jan 12 19:21:49 pinch etc Jan 12 19:21:56 anyone have any ideas why my fbcat screendumps of 3d apps aren't working? I just get a black image Jan 12 19:22:25 tap&hold is opposite corners to get menu Jan 12 19:22:28 blah, I think I'm a bit screwed at the moment... don't know how bad yet, but, eterminus drew the fonts very strangely, widely spaced and the prompt ran off the right-edge of the screen. then hung, then when I power-cycled it hung during boot up Jan 12 19:22:39 PuffTheMagic: well we could dedicate a small bar on the top to do a quasi webos-looking menu bar widget, right? Jan 12 19:22:45 ohhhhh Jan 12 19:22:48 even better Jan 12 19:22:49 it seems to be booting normally now after another powercycle butstill not up yet... Jan 12 19:23:00 destinal: i have a better idea Jan 12 19:23:23 destinal: gesture area brings up something like the launcher menu Jan 12 19:23:45 PuffTheMagic: gesture area in terminal was used as a meta key to allow easy arrow keys etc Jan 12 19:24:01 ok phew, booted back up normally finally Jan 12 19:24:30 going to try launching eterminus from ssh login instead of from Terminal Jan 12 19:24:40 PuffTheMagic: but what about a backswipe on gesture area? Jan 12 19:24:44 destinal: that could be single touch on the screen though Jan 12 19:24:56 re: arrows Jan 12 19:25:01 PuffTheMagic: well touch / drag should probably be for copy /paste Jan 12 19:25:04 selection Jan 12 19:25:11 orange touch Jan 12 19:25:31 sure but touch / drag by itself should be scrollback, right? if we get scrollback Jan 12 19:25:37 one important todo is to resolve how multitouch gestures from sdl translate into evas events Jan 12 19:25:51 if that's not handled properly we need it make sure it is Jan 12 19:26:08 good point Jan 12 19:26:10 xcomp: we don't get multitouch gestures afaik, we'll have to interpret base on the movements of multiple mice Jan 12 19:26:21 oh, that sucks Jan 12 19:26:29 its not bad Jan 12 19:26:34 well, we can still do that Jan 12 19:26:36 easy to implement Jan 12 19:26:51 but it would be best if evas could handle that Jan 12 19:26:55 I could be wrong but I don't see how we could get it short of subscribing to hidd Jan 12 19:26:58 destinal: shift drag would be scrollback Jan 12 19:27:00 (the multitouch directly) Jan 12 19:27:03 and report it to the app as a multitouch event Jan 12 19:27:05 I seem to have java crashing very frequently anymore. Looks like its running out of heap space. Jan 12 19:27:08 interpreting mice isn't bad Jan 12 19:27:16 where can we get a build of parafoil? Jan 12 19:27:19 hmm, is there a way to easily remove SIM contacts?! Jan 12 19:27:20 once I can get a hold of raster I'll hash it out with him Jan 12 19:27:25 I can't seem to delete some of them Jan 12 19:27:32 would like to get that done this week if possible Jan 12 19:28:04 i do know that swipe back is reported as an ESC keypress Jan 12 19:28:17 grr why does my damned wifi link hang??? piece of crap... there's just too much going on on a pre I think, the little cpu can't deal Jan 12 19:28:33 KEYofR: I highly doubt that's the case Jan 12 19:28:46 destinal: tap/drag=arrows,orange+tap/drag=c-n-p,shift+tap/drag=scrollback Jan 12 19:28:49 how bout that Jan 12 19:29:07 hi Jan 12 19:29:19 PuffTheMagic: I think the keyboard is easier to hit fast Jan 12 19:29:33 for arrow keys Jan 12 19:29:42 destinal: is that a necessity for a "terminal" Jan 12 19:29:48 i think so Jan 12 19:29:50 or are people playing ncurses games Jan 12 19:29:57 fyi, preware does the endless spinning wheel on the new german 1.3.5.2 firmware Jan 12 19:30:23 10 ft from the AP, no problems with my laptop same distance, plain old WRT54G, err WAP54G ... kill the session start a new on, fine for a while Jan 12 19:30:33 going back and forth in bash history is a few small quick swipes Jan 12 19:30:39 and if the hold the swipe Jan 12 19:30:43 for more than 1 sec Jan 12 19:30:49 we could do a repeat Jan 12 19:32:09 vi Jan 12 19:32:14 or vim Jan 12 19:32:42 and discrete presses are really handy. I thought gesture and numpad was a good idea really Jan 12 19:33:09 also why not a menu bar at the top? users will be familiar with it.. Jan 12 19:33:12 destinal: what about numpad Jan 12 19:33:23 destinal: waste of space Jan 12 19:33:38 PuffTheMagic: you need the numpad for letters and numbers Jan 12 19:33:50 ert dfg xcv with orange Jan 12 19:33:51 numbers work already Jan 12 19:34:00 shift dont for some reason Jan 12 19:34:02 have to check that out Jan 12 19:34:07 but nums do Jan 12 19:34:19 and im sure we can get the sym to bring up special chars Jan 12 19:34:27 sym needs to be a dedicated control key Jan 12 19:34:40 we've done all of this design for terminal already and mostly for good reasons Jan 12 19:35:11 eterminus locks my pre repeatably. I launched from ssh this time. still drew the fonts wide spaced, pressed enter a few times got a few prompts, blindly typed "top[enter]" because you can't see the end of the prompt at all. immediate hang. Jan 12 19:36:01 destinal: i guess we could have a small menu that does brings up prefs and sym key selector and stuff Jan 12 19:36:11 KEYofR: did u get the data dir? Jan 12 19:36:24 yep Jan 12 19:36:44 works for me and destinal Jan 12 19:36:47 and xcomp i beleive Jan 12 19:36:47 PuffTheMagic: if gesture back is escape we could also make sym+space a symbol overlay as well I guess. Jan 12 19:36:58 I'll double check everything looks right after its booted up again. Jan 12 19:37:00 for those who want to get to it faster Jan 12 19:37:04 yeah gesture back is always esc Jan 12 19:37:07 on terminal we used sym space for escape Jan 12 19:37:40 or was it orange-space Jan 12 19:37:44 you guys submit stuff to precentral? Jan 12 19:37:46 er... apps? Jan 12 19:37:56 destinal: we can worry about that this weekend Jan 12 19:38:09 jettero: some of us do, but webos-internals as a group has its own feeds in preware Jan 12 19:38:13 Terminals keyboard bindings are pretty good. duplicating them would be fine by me. I wish it rotated the arrow keys when it rotated the display though. Jan 12 19:38:19 destinal: but finding someone to get gles working for evas/ecore is needed Jan 12 19:38:50 if I were going to release an unrelated homebrew app though ... I'd do it on precentral? are there other choices? Jan 12 19:39:37 jettero: you could, most probably use the app catalog. Jan 12 19:40:07 ok I guess you can't boot up while on the touchstone? twice in a row it hung during boot if I placed it on the touchstone after putting the battery back together Jan 12 19:40:11 jettero: err precentral app gallery for homebrew Jan 12 19:40:39 KEYofR: weird, I've never heard of that Jan 12 19:41:00 jettero: you could host stuff here if it's free, open source Jan 12 19:41:30 KEYofR: I just now sent "reboot" while the phone was on touchstone and it did the full cycle while docked. Jan 12 19:41:36 I usually never have any reason to reboot so it's hard to detect that pattern unless like now when something causes several full real power-cycles Jan 12 19:42:19 note power-cycle might not == warm boot even a full one Jan 12 19:47:11 PuffTheMagic, yes root@palm-webos-device:/var/home/root# ls -l /usr/local/share/eterminus Jan 12 19:47:11 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 49224 Jan 12 13:29 VeraMono.ttf Jan 12 19:47:11 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 167 Jan 12 13:29 black.png Jan 12 19:47:11 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1120 Jan 12 13:29 checkered_bg.png Jan 12 19:47:11 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 198 Jan 12 13:29 grey.png Jan 12 19:47:12 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 194 Jan 12 13:29 white.png Jan 12 19:47:14 root@palm-webos-device:/var/home/root# Jan 12 19:48:15 KEYofR webos.pastebin.com Jan 12 19:48:22 pretty please next time, use pastebin Jan 12 19:48:22 I am running like this "LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib eterminus" Jan 12 19:53:02 Rick_work: did you try the dosbox? Jan 12 19:53:12 for 6 lines? no way. what I'll do if 6 is such a horror, is paste 3 and ... since in this case all that was needed was to prove that the dir existed and was populated as directed, and merely saying "yes I did it right" isn't good enough. Jan 12 19:53:36 destinal when I cam in this morning you told me it was broken.... so no. Jan 12 19:54:10 Rick_work: I didn't say it was broken? Jan 12 19:54:32 I thought you did. I thought you said that it wouldn't work due to swsurface issues. Jan 12 19:54:39 If I was wrong, I appologise. Jan 12 19:54:44 I'll go get it now, Jan 12 19:54:54 Where? Jan 12 19:55:01 KEYofR: no not like that Jan 12 19:55:10 nm Jan 12 19:55:16 just pull cross-compile.git forward Jan 12 19:55:42 and make in its package dir Jan 12 19:56:46 ARGH! I'm running out of java heap space every ~5 minutes, with the phone just sitting idle Jan 12 19:56:59 palm-webos-device user.crit java: Java heap full, exiting VM. Jan 12 19:57:30 weird .. what's eating up your heap? Jan 12 19:57:49 PuffTheMagic, what then? this is what you said to do. Jan 12 19:58:07 I don't know. Any suggestions for finding out? Jan 12 19:58:12 xalbo: what's running in the background? Jan 12 19:58:23 there is a top-kind app Jan 12 19:58:27 xalbo what services do you have installed? Jan 12 19:58:30 destinal see pm Jan 12 19:58:31 JS... Jan 12 19:59:03 I've disabled all services except the terminal service. I do have geostrings running, and IMAP in "as messages arrive" on a few accounts. Jan 12 19:59:26 what is geostrings ? Jan 12 19:59:57 jtop or jps may be helpful - but i am not sure Jan 12 20:01:38 Geostrings is a program that displays location aware notifcations (polling for location every few minutes, depending on various things) Jan 12 20:01:43 KEYofR: I saw the spaced out font issue that I think you're talking about before I installed the webos-internals-pdk from preware. It works fine for me after installing webos-internals-pdk Jan 12 20:02:10 yo all, have a q about luna-send... Jan 12 20:02:29 d Jan 12 20:02:31 xalbo, weird - can you follow your memory usage using top and jtop ? Jan 12 20:02:48 this command... /usr/bin/luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.applicationManager/launch {"id":"com.accuweather.palm"} Jan 12 20:02:54 jstop didn't help; is there a separate jtop that I don't know about? Jan 12 20:03:01 gives this error... Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, { "returnValue": false, "errorText": "Malformed JSON detected in payload" } Jan 12 20:03:05 top doesn't help; it's all in java. Jan 12 20:03:20 xorg: try luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.applicationManager/launch '{"id":"com.accuweather.palm"}' Jan 12 20:03:24 am I missing something in luna-send? Jan 12 20:03:24 xalbo, yeah jstop and jtop are different i think .. jps as well ? Jan 12 20:03:43 luna-send is really picky about how the strings appear in the {} Jan 12 20:03:44 \"id\":\"com.accuweather.palm:\" Jan 12 20:03:44 Ahh, jps and jtop are new to me. Useful. Jan 12 20:03:54 bingo, thx Jan 12 20:04:00 xalbo, not sure how complete their implementations are .. but try those to see what's happening Jan 12 20:04:14 xalbo, you can try running a jdb debugger as well - but i haven't tried doing that yet with the pre Jan 12 20:04:29 drnull method worked. Jan 12 20:04:34 thx Jan 12 20:05:13 egaudet_work's method works too, I just don't like hitting \ so much. You just have to ensure that the " makes it past the shell. ' and \ both accomplish that. (just fyi) Jan 12 20:05:18 yea you just need the shell not to steal the "" Jan 12 20:05:29 drnull: yours is much better though Jan 12 20:05:54 i hadn't thought of it but will now :p Jan 12 20:08:41 launching webos apps from cron now... Jan 12 20:09:13 pwd Jan 12 20:09:27 xorg: what app Jan 12 20:09:50 jps and jtop always seem to list 0 for all memory params. Jan 12 20:10:04 am setting up 'xorg tools' (mvapp followp) to allow setting up cron for moring reboot, set any app to launch Jan 12 20:10:55 so you can have your fav apps ready and running when waking up in morning... :) Jan 12 20:12:13 I've got to be making this more complicated than it needs to be... I used a passphrase when I saved my private Key from Puttygen... Putty doesn't ask for it: does it need to know it somehow? Jan 12 20:13:41 idk I never use a passphrase with a ssh key Jan 12 20:13:55 ok, i saved a version without it as well Jan 12 20:14:07 evas is almost repo-ready Jan 12 20:14:41 and I wrote the keystring to this file: /home/root/.ssh/authorized_keys following this guide: http://www.walkernews.net/2009/03/22/how-to-fix-server-refused-our-key-error-that-caused-by-putty-generated-rsa-public-key/ Jan 12 20:15:28 and I set Putty to use that un-encrypted key. I connect to the Pre successfully, and it asks for a user. I tell it "root", and then it says it refused my key. Jan 12 20:15:55 Well, it looks like disabling geostrings and changing all my mail checking to manual has at least stalled the problem...I'll see whether it occurs again. Jan 12 20:16:05 xorg: could be done with app/service combo too Jan 12 20:16:06 Thanks for the info on jtop/jps Jan 12 20:16:11 xalbo, how many emails? Jan 12 20:16:45 also, if GeoStrings is polling frequently and storing the results, you will get that kind of latency. Jan 12 20:17:03 3 accounts, many, many messages Jan 12 20:17:32 I don't know how it stores it, but if tries to keep it internally in a hash/array/etc, it'll eventually die. Jan 12 20:17:39 and I just got the phone a couple of days ago (replacing one that had a cracked case), but I would think it would have finished syncing the mailbox by now. Jan 12 20:17:42 ok, I have 4, and at least 2 get hundreds a day. Jan 12 20:18:00 it would say at the bottom if they sync wasn't complete I think. Jan 12 20:18:21 I'd blame the app tbh Jan 12 20:18:36 leave that off for a few days with all other things equal. Jan 12 20:18:48 I'm currently suspecting geostrings, since it's the biggest recent change to my setup. Unfortunately, *everything* in my setup changed recently (again, new phone), so hard to isolate. Jan 12 20:19:41 yeah, new phones make things tricky, as does doctoring lol Jan 12 20:20:03 I'm still trying to get back to even after my last doctoring, and these SSH keys are killing me. Jan 12 20:20:18 I'm doing something wrong, and I don't know what it is or how to find out. Jan 12 20:21:21 ahh! /my /usr/local is empty? Jan 12 20:21:27 wtf? Jan 12 20:22:36 KEYofR: did you just install the pdk from preware? If so, it's mounting /var/local overtop of /usr/local, I believe Jan 12 20:22:55 drnull yeah I just installed pdk Jan 12 20:22:59 sigh Jan 12 20:23:10 egaudet_work: yup, but this is specific to scheduling apps by time Jan 12 20:23:26 ok so.. umount, rsync, remount... Jan 12 20:24:05 mojo app can run in the background with alarm to accomplish that too Jan 12 20:24:20 KEYofR: no biggie, just re-extract the tar.bz2 that PuffTheMagic gave us the link for. Jan 12 20:24:37 or a cron service, just a thought as I could see a lot of AM wanting it but being afraid of linu Jan 12 20:24:38 linux* Jan 12 20:24:59 no need to umount/rsync/remount it, really. Although the files that are in /var/local should probably be removed as they're unnecessary since the only ones you'll be accessing are the ones in /usr/local Jan 12 20:25:17 are the messaging plugins (icq) available via preware? Jan 12 20:25:20 drnull, that's a waste of space. the files are all still there, just invisible Jan 12 20:25:23 drnull: it's bind mounted Jan 12 20:25:37 the files in /var/local are in /usr/local Jan 12 20:25:45 err backwards Jan 12 20:25:51 * drnull runs off to learn a little bit about bind mounting Jan 12 20:26:35 in this case bind mount is no different than any other mount. when you mount over an existing dir, the existing contents are simply hidden Jan 12 20:26:37 oh it's just a symbolic link... cool. what I figured but I wasn't sure. Jan 12 20:26:56 well not a symlink Jan 12 20:27:05 sorry, *like* a symbolic link. :) Jan 12 20:27:14 kind of works the same way in practice yeah Jan 12 20:28:22 I don't see this mount in mount output Jan 12 20:28:57 cat /etc/fstab Jan 12 20:29:01 unless it's one of these? Jan 12 20:29:03 /dev/mapper/store-var on /usr/local type ext3 (rw,noatime,data=writeback) Jan 12 20:29:03 /dev/mapper/store-var on /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/local type ext3 (rw,noatime,data=writeback) Jan 12 20:29:15 it's the /usr/local one Jan 12 20:29:33 egaudet_work: who has /usr/local bindmounted, and how? Jan 12 20:29:48 I heard that discussed but didn't think it was in place yet Jan 12 20:30:17 destinal: rwhitby put a webos internals PDK in preware last night that does it Jan 12 20:30:27 dest: everyone with pdk installed from preware? I just installed pdk and my entire /usr/local went empty Jan 12 20:30:39 ah yes Jan 12 20:31:05 well you can umount /usr/local to get old one back Jan 12 20:31:23 Which, the only reason I installed that was because it was possibly an undocumented requirement of eterminus Jan 12 20:31:37 "undocumented" he said hehehe Jan 12 20:32:28 enterminus for the pre is so experimental if you look hard it's probably not even there :P Jan 12 20:32:54 lol Jan 12 20:33:02 heh Jan 12 20:33:03 you may just be imagining it Jan 12 20:34:11 Latest stable release 1.3.5.2 / 2010-01-12; 8 hours ago Jan 12 20:34:42 `- wikipedia/WebOS Jan 12 20:34:45 it's still in test feed right? Jan 12 20:35:08 egaudet_work: I think it's in wget from omploader :P Jan 12 20:35:08 dest: but yeah like i said, umount, rsync, mount.. I was just trying to figure out what the re-mount command would be before I umount. though I guess i'll just use "reboot" Jan 12 20:35:25 egaudet_work: or did you mean the pdk preware package Jan 12 20:36:07 KEYofR: its in upstart Jan 12 20:36:14 stop/start the pdk service Jan 12 20:36:18 and it will umount/mount Jan 12 20:36:33 aha! now we're talking nice-behaving-app Jan 12 20:36:35 destinal: yea i meant pdk, missed the enterminus comment :P Jan 12 20:36:38 thank you Jan 12 20:37:26 now where is documentation on upstart so I can actually do that? Jan 12 20:37:39 KEYofR: stop org.webosinternals.pdk Jan 12 20:37:45 The available scripts are in /etc/event.d Jan 12 20:38:01 and you used the "d" word again... Jan 12 20:38:19 oh ok not that strange then sorry Jan 12 20:40:36 root@palm-webos-device:/var/home/root# stop org.webosinternals.pdk Jan 12 20:40:36 stop: (03599/569771728) Job not changed: org.webosinternals.pdk Jan 12 20:40:53 and mounts didnt change and /usr/local still empty Jan 12 20:42:08 KEYofR: ok then just umount /usr/local Jan 12 20:42:10 hmm, attempting a start looks odd Jan 12 20:42:15 do your stuff and then start org.webosinternals.pdk Jan 12 20:42:20 yeah Jan 12 20:42:22 sorry... that was how to stop it. If you umount /usr/local then do your .... yeah, what he said. :) Jan 12 20:42:45 I didn't realize it was an upstart script that wasn't always running, my bad. Jan 12 20:44:10 and /var/local is a mounted from /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/local Jan 12 20:44:19 but that won't effect your purpose Jan 12 20:45:47 rwhitby: pdk package's prerm should check cryptofs and unmount /var/local too Jan 12 20:45:51 ok took a couple of consecutive duplicate "umount /usr/local" before umount gave an error and the old contents appeared. when I tried the start command it must have duplicated the mount Jan 12 20:46:30 but, after a couple duplicate umounts I have my old contents back and can copy out Jan 12 20:47:44 haha, yep, I've got multiple mounts there too now. Fun. Jan 12 20:48:47 That might screw other install/upgrade/remove scripts, when a umount that doesn't fail still doesn't mean it's necessarily unmounted either, so whatever mounts this should check if it's already mounted, and whatever unmounts should maybe loop until it's really unmounted, or try x times anyways Jan 12 20:51:03 or maybe for unmounting there is a better way to list the mounts to see the dupes instead of just trying up to N times and hoping Jan 12 20:51:49 umount shouldn't exit until it fails or works Jan 12 20:51:57 and should return non-zero on error Jan 12 20:53:00 umount worked fine. it removed one mount Jan 12 20:53:12 these are dupes Jan 12 20:53:24 Lumiere: the problem here is that "mount -o bind /var/local /usr/local" has been run multiple times, and umount just removes the most recent one. Seems strange (to me) that mount allows dups, but whatever... Jan 12 20:54:53 and, why are we doing this in the first place? Jan 12 20:56:00 heh, sorry, that's above my knowledge level. I just know that enterminus works with webos internals PDK, but has the spaced out font without it. *shrugs* Jan 12 20:56:34 ... maybe so that /usr/local is writable Jan 12 20:57:26 that's a benefit, but doesn't explain why when all the files are in the same location, it doesn't work (i.e., if you put the libs in /usr/local/lib instead of using bind mount) Jan 12 20:57:29 it's being done so that we can release custom shared libraries Jan 12 20:57:45 that multiple packages may use, and we can accomplish this without touching the root / Jan 12 20:57:53 are there any other bind mounts? Jan 12 20:58:22 drnull: I don't understand what you mean? Jan 12 20:59:04 I don't think that bind mount is what made eterminus work Jan 12 20:59:20 True/False: the only file on the Pre that matters during SSH user authentication is /home/root/.ssh/authorized_keys. I can connect to the server, I can't get my keys to line up and I'm trying to narrow the problem. Jan 12 20:59:42 flare576: true if ssh'ing as root Jan 12 20:59:46 egaudet_work: without the bind mount in place (i.e., without webos internals pdk installed from preware), if you remount / rw and make /usr/local/lib and put the necessary files from PuffTheMagic in, then you get spaced out characters in enterminus. I've tried it a few times and get the same results. Jan 12 21:00:00 egaudet_work: I am, so far so good. Jan 12 21:00:58 anyways you could do umount -a -O bind Jan 12 21:01:02 then maybe puffs binary has something thats _really_ looking in /var and we don't know it yet, since he only worked on this about 30 minutes Jan 12 21:01:06 which will unmount all bind mounted stuff Jan 12 21:01:18 or maybe it was because I had put the shared files in /var/local/share/enterminus... I'll try to repeat again. Jan 12 21:01:20 drnull: it may have truncated the library/files you put in /usr/local Jan 12 21:01:21 df -h Jan 12 21:01:25 check the space on / it's very small Jan 12 21:01:47 lum what?? if a script did that I'd kill that script author Jan 12 21:01:51 drnull: actually that is it then Jan 12 21:01:53 The .ssh folder is chmod 700, and the file is chmod 600. The file contans "ssh-rsa ", where the key is copy/pasted from puttygen's convienient "copy from here for Openssh" Jan 12 21:02:06 KEYofR: that's why I was asking Jan 12 21:02:07 but not before Jan 12 21:02:09 but not before Jan 12 21:02:12 /var/local/share/enterminus would show up on /usr/local/share/enterminus after the mount Jan 12 21:02:13 if anything else was bind mounted Jan 12 21:02:14 but not before Jan 12 21:02:25 (but I would only do tyhat manually anyways) Jan 12 21:03:05 lum: it doesn't matter what else may or may not be bind mounted. you do not do things like that. Jan 12 21:03:14 Jan 12 21:03:20 /opt is bind mounted if you install optware Jan 12 21:04:32 you don't have to know, and even if you think you know, you pretend you don't. you only touch that which you created. you=script-or-programor-session-or-instance Jan 12 21:05:00 KEYofR: then you shouldn't be running mount Jan 12 21:05:11 for something that is system level Jan 12 21:05:23 egaudet_work: just for the record, yes, the problem was that I had put the share stuff in /var/local instead of /usr/local. Sorry for the confusion Jan 12 21:07:27 I had everything in /usr/local before installing pdk Jan 12 21:07:42 Anyone know if the GNUboy thats being packed up for preware is any different then the ipk listed for it? Jan 12 21:07:45 KEYofR: sorry to you as well for the confusion then. :) Jan 12 21:09:19 drnull: i had that once but then it fixed its self Jan 12 21:09:20 idk Jan 12 21:09:33 so you are saying you have it working or no? Jan 12 21:09:41 works fine for me now, but not for KEYofR Jan 12 21:09:51 there's a gnuboy being packed up for preware? Jan 12 21:10:12 dunno why, rather have VBA :/ Jan 12 21:10:30 ok, eina and eet are in the pdk Jan 12 21:10:41 can someone please verify for me that they build without issue Jan 12 21:10:51 prolly will come down the line but i guess he just wanted to put this out first....... Jan 12 21:11:01 drnull: you dont need the mount bind you can put the libs anywhere and just set the path with LD_LIBRARY_PATH Jan 12 21:11:21 right, but the share stuff has to be in /usr/local/share right? Jan 12 21:11:39 it's better to use the binds because that is the solution going forward Jan 12 21:11:51 xcomp: are you pulling from e git for the src for the efl stuff or a release version Jan 12 21:12:07 I'm still futzing around a bit and haven't actually tried eterminus again since installing pdk. I am at work and plus people are starting to call and txt me about doing stuff tonight Jan 12 21:12:24 so I don't know if it still doesn't work Jan 12 21:12:35 how large is the eterminus data dir? Jan 12 21:12:39 drnull: well datadiir should be a config option instead of hardcoded Jan 12 21:12:40 egaudet_work: I already had a couple files in /usr/local/bin: mvapp (symlinked to /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/.../mvapp) and wifi-mfg-labtool. The bind mount is going to blow those away... problem? Jan 12 21:12:40 PuffTheMagic: libs are from svn, but there are minor modifications to allow building Jan 12 21:12:57 egaudet_work: all that is needed is 1 font and 1 bg Jan 12 21:13:15 xcomp: like what... cause everything has been building fine for me Jan 12 21:13:21 straight from svn Jan 12 21:13:34 egaudet_work: I show 4M for the libs and 80k for shared data Jan 12 21:14:02 drnull: it wont' blow them away, just "hide" them i believe Jan 12 21:14:19 xcomp: can you add elementary to your list of todo's for the pdk Jan 12 21:14:23 drnull: but that wifi-mfg-labtool i dunno what that is Jan 12 21:14:39 PuffTheMagic: yes, but they need to build with the pdk automatically Jan 12 21:14:40 why are we calling it pdk instead of ndk Jan 12 21:14:47 xcomp: right Jan 12 21:14:50 PuffTheMagic: that means all dependencies have to be in place Jan 12 21:14:51 ::sigh:: True or False: dropbear doesn't need to understand my private key (on PC), only Putty does, and then Putty has to talk to dropbear about matching the two. Jan 12 21:14:52 because palm is calling theirs pdk Jan 12 21:14:59 crypto libs for eet, for example Jan 12 21:15:01 egaudet_work: understood, but won't hiding them cause a problem for ... whatever put them there? :) Jan 12 21:15:04 xcomp: i was having trouble building lua last night Jan 12 21:15:08 xcomp: so i couldnt get edje built Jan 12 21:15:21 i'll tackle lua once I'm done with ecore Jan 12 21:15:31 egaudet_work: so we have to? theirs is a plugin dev kit, ours is a complete native dev kit Jan 12 21:15:32 :D Jan 12 21:15:35 ndk > pdk Jan 12 21:15:41 we dont need to copy palm Jan 12 21:15:53 drnull: i dont know what if anything uses the wifi-mfg-labtool and mvapp shouldn't have problem. But you can copy them to /var/local before mount Jan 12 21:15:54 WIDK Jan 12 21:16:11 PuffTheMagic: that's funny, i have a configure named configure-widk Jan 12 21:16:15 :P Jan 12 21:16:28 I like widk Jan 12 21:16:31 i think we need a name changes cause ours is always gonna be better Jan 12 21:16:33 sorry ... forgot to actually press entre ...eina and eet in there *now* Jan 12 21:16:58 ok same spaced out font, and it took several secods to draw the initial prompt Jan 12 21:17:11 KEYofR: your shit is messed up Jan 12 21:17:20 idk what to say Jan 12 21:17:30 puff: yeah, exept not for anything else but eterminus ;) Jan 12 21:17:30 PuffTheMagic: I think their PDK is going to be a full Native SDK too Jan 12 21:17:42 they just want to call it plugin Jan 12 21:17:49 egaudet_work: I know I *can* move the files, just doesn't seem like a good idea go "overwrite" a folder that is currently being used by other projects/apps. *shrugs* whatever. Jan 12 21:17:51 PuffTheMagic, what to say is debug version Jan 12 21:17:58 destinal: not from what we've hear Jan 12 21:18:01 hi guys..... Jan 12 21:18:03 destinal: i dont think they have any plans for allowing C services like we can make right now Jan 12 21:18:10 apparently it seems like it's going to be sandboxed into plug-ins, so really PDK Jan 12 21:18:10 destinal: at least not thought the pdk Jan 12 21:18:16 they might make a sdk or somthing Jan 12 21:18:25 hahahah KEYofR it's enterminus Jan 12 21:18:35 i have some problem with the new update of webos 1.3.5.2 Jan 12 21:18:40 And that only matters because your /usr/local/share directory is called eterminus too. :) Jan 12 21:18:44 the preware app does not work Jan 12 21:18:46 drnull: if you copy to /var/local and then mount, they will still appear in /usr/local so any other projects/apps would be unaffected Jan 12 21:18:55 drnull ahahh! Jan 12 21:18:55 haha Jan 12 21:19:20 PuffTheMagic: well, fair enough, but SDL games will be supported Jan 12 21:19:24 egaudet_work: again, yes, I know I can do that. My point is that installing the pdk is possibly going to break other apps for other people Jan 12 21:19:31 pYr0x: you need to re-install... if you have used mvapp, you can type 'mvapp upw' Jan 12 21:19:33 destinal: yeah i know Jan 12 21:19:46 PuffTheMagic: probably NPAPI plugins too Jan 12 21:19:51 destinal: but our sdl game idea for preware ipkgservice wont work Jan 12 21:19:54 if its in a sandbox Jan 12 21:19:55 drnull: mvapp is not an app to be used outside of command line Jan 12 21:19:57 ^%$^%$ reboot before I can verify that... Jan 12 21:20:05 PuffTheMagic: well it'll work until then Jan 12 21:20:09 destinal: games as napi plugins dont make sense Jan 12 21:20:19 unless there is a BrowserPlugin dir for each app directory Jan 12 21:20:21 PuffTheMagic: well it's not just a game development kit Jan 12 21:20:22 which dont make sense Jan 12 21:20:42 I *hope* they're going to provide support for browser plugins too Jan 12 21:20:45 wifi-mfg-labtool is a diagnostics tool I THINK, dont' think anything uses it. Anything else installed to /usr/local is probably done manually by the user and thus they will have the knowledge of what it may effect Jan 12 21:20:53 destinal: the *do* Jan 12 21:21:14 PuffTheMagic: I mean like the full kit they give motionapps Jan 12 21:21:33 you think they arent? Jan 12 21:21:48 egaudet_work: cool, sounds like my concerns are unfounded. mvapp also appears to create the symlink in /usr/local/bin the first time you run it, so that's safe as well. I really need to find out who put wifi-mfg-labtool on my device though. :) Jan 12 21:21:50 well it's unknown whether they will but I hope so Jan 12 21:22:11 drnull: uh.. palm? Jan 12 21:22:13 destinal: well they probably used LibP natively Jan 12 21:22:33 PuffTheMagic: right which means their kit has piranha headers Jan 12 21:22:43 and maybe even the "adapter" framework Jan 12 21:22:57 destinal: well I was getting the impression that egaudet_work didn't have that file, so was guessing some app had dumped it in there itself. Jan 12 21:22:57 yea so since palm is using /usr/local, I think we should make the pdk postinst cp -r /usr/local /var/local before mount Jan 12 21:23:14 drnull: no sorry I do have it Jan 12 21:24:00 drnull: root@castle:/usr/lib/ipkg/info# ipkg files pmwifidriver|grep lab Jan 12 21:24:00 /usr/local/bin/wifi-mfg-labtool Jan 12 21:24:06 yeah the only things that were in my entire /usr/local were the libs and data and binary puff provided, that labtool thing, and I had mvapp and vba in /usr/local/bin. I'm not going from memory, I still have the entore tar cvf tar xvf output in my xeterm scrollback Jan 12 21:24:10 xterm Jan 12 21:24:43 egaudet: you don't have it because you have bindmounted /usr/local Jan 12 21:25:16 egaudet_work: that postinst (preinst?) sounds like a good idea. Maybe even a mv so the space isn't wasted as you guys pointed out earlier? Jan 12 21:26:14 it's the ONLY thing in /usr/local from palm's ipkg lib Jan 12 21:27:36 mv is dicy. requires that you for sure will mv back unknown time later. and what if the stock os changes in that time? Jan 12 21:27:45 yea no mv Jan 12 21:27:47 just cp Jan 12 21:28:02 just to ensure anything Palm put there remains visible Jan 12 21:28:39 I think this case where a couple of us had 5 megs of stuff in there will be rare. Jan 12 21:28:43 destinal: i DO have it Jan 12 21:28:48 well did Jan 12 21:28:57 right, you can't see it when you bindmount over it :) Jan 12 21:28:58 i havent checked since i installed pdk, but i remember seeing it a while ago Jan 12 21:29:05 right i know that Jan 12 21:29:56 rwhitby: ping me when you come around this am Jan 12 21:29:59 has anyone built eina from git yet? Jan 12 21:30:18 especially if you make it so that anyone who even might possible put anything in /usr/local will have seen a big suggestion to install pdk just as a starting point to playing with their pre Jan 12 21:30:22 rwhitby: odd breakage in libsdl-mixer that only seems to happen on initial make stage Jan 12 21:30:34 destinal: thanks for the ipkg command, didn't realize you could do stuff like "ipkg search /usr/local/bin/wifi-mfg-labtool" to see who provides the file. Jan 12 21:30:52 drnull: yeah, ipkg is pretty handy Jan 12 21:31:37 # ipkg search `type -path ls` Jan 12 21:31:37 busybox - 1.11.3-13 - /bin/ls Jan 12 21:32:22 xcomp: is it in cross-compile.git Jan 12 21:32:30 so out of curiosity, with the 1.3.5 transition to /media/cryptofs and such, why do we still have some things installed to /var? I show diffstat, gstservice, patch, and termplugin Jan 12 21:32:34 egaudet_work: yes Jan 12 21:32:50 If I just uninstall/reinstall those I assume they'll move? Or do they *have* to be in /var? Jan 12 21:32:53 i have some infinite loop of make going on Jan 12 21:32:59 after the git pull i just did Jan 12 21:33:20 drnull: they aren't in /var on my system, but you must have migrated Jan 12 21:33:22 drnull did you use mvapp? Jan 12 21:34:09 drnull: if you uninstall and reinstall those apps, you should be able to remove that stuff in var Jan 12 21:34:57 ipkg -o /var remove * and then just install what you need with preware Jan 12 21:35:07 destinal: what oddity did you see building libsdl-mixer ? Jan 12 21:35:22 some things aren't migrated because they don't have a /var/usr/palm/applications/ directory Jan 12 21:36:19 I wonder if we can't just make another fuse loop mount without the crypto and mvapp everything from the crypto mount to the non crypto mount, still have use of all available space , less cpu overhead doing cypto, and see all file in the clear from usb? Jan 12 21:36:25 xcomp: openssl doesn't exist Jan 12 21:36:44 oops..one minute Jan 12 21:36:50 jacques: http://pastie.org/775591 Jan 12 21:37:19 destinal: I've seen exact same thing Jan 12 21:37:30 dunno why Jan 12 21:37:33 jacques: that only happens on initial make stage of brand new internals pdk install Jan 12 21:37:41 a make clobber in that directory seemed to fix it, oddly Jan 12 21:37:49 egaudet_work: pull again Jan 12 21:37:55 I suspect it's not getting the -M ? Jan 12 21:38:02 yeah that seems to be what I remember too Jan 12 21:38:14 -M ? Jan 12 21:38:20 sb2 -M mappingfile Jan 12 21:38:25 to map /usr/local ober Jan 12 21:38:28 s/ob/ov/ Jan 12 21:38:29 destinal meant: to map /usr/local over Jan 12 21:38:31 destinal: thanks, they were already installed when I look at ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps list_installed (well, the ones I needed were already there) Jan 12 21:38:31 ooooh, could be I suppose Jan 12 21:38:34 howdy all, whats the bestway to get preware on after 1.3.5.1 Jan 12 21:38:54 I'm not sure then the mapping file is created Jan 12 21:39:12 s/then/when\/how/ Jan 12 21:39:21 ~botsmack Jan 12 21:39:22 OWW! Jan 12 21:39:26 escape fail Jan 12 21:39:31 :-( Jan 12 21:39:43 ~~~~ Jan 12 21:39:45 ARGH!!! STOP IT destinal!!! Jan 12 21:41:14 xcomp: Jan 12 21:41:35 sb2 complains about unidentified executable detected Jan 12 21:41:41 packages/eina/build/src/src/lib Jan 12 21:41:59 flare576: did you get preware ssh working? Jan 12 21:42:16 egaudet_work: i've seen that, I'm not sure why it comes up Jan 12 21:42:21 it hasn't caused any issues so far Jan 12 21:42:22 mornin' fearless leader Jan 12 21:42:27 i tried to download a preware installer, but theres non available on the site Jan 12 21:42:48 tlz: http://install.preware.org/ Jan 12 21:42:49 ../../libtool: line 833 X--tag=CC command not found Jan 12 21:43:30 tlz: you could alpha test the latest at http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=tools/ipkg-installer.git;a=tree Jan 12 21:44:07 mmmmm, alpha-bits Jan 12 21:44:32 alpha-bit soup Jan 12 21:44:35 CoolMatty: dropbear is not faster than openssh, it's smaller, not faster. Jan 12 21:45:20 rwhitby: i'm running into all sorts of issues with stage-rootfs not detecting libs Jan 12 21:45:59 rwhitby: Can you edit the trac.ini for webos-patches to show the generic patch ICON for the [header_logo] please? Jan 12 21:46:36 dBsooner: ask PuffTheMagic how to install the trac.ini plugin Jan 12 21:46:50 CoolMatty: FWIW, Smaller != better either. :) Jan 12 21:46:55 PuffTheMagic: Come here! Jan 12 21:47:14 drnull renaming /usr/local/share/eterminus to enterminus worked. so i renamed the BINARY to enterminus because that was kind of boneheaded having them not match Jan 12 21:47:15 * dBsooner goes to get the plugin and do it himself. Jan 12 21:48:02 spoke too soon. still locks up the pre in a few seconds. the prompt just displayed in a normal small font. Jan 12 21:48:15 "WebOs-Internals: good, fast, free: pick any three" Jan 12 21:48:37 sweet, i just downloaded the ipk files and installed via quickinstall, it worked Jan 12 21:49:08 KEYofR: good to hear. er... bad to hear. Hmmm, I found it would lockup occasionally, but not reproducibly Jan 12 21:50:42 good thing every touchstone comes with a back cover so I have 2 extras. at this rate I'll wear out the snap tabs ;) Jan 12 21:50:55 eina needs to move to nonworking Jan 12 21:51:15 orange-sym-r won't reboot? Jan 12 21:51:41 and for the record no I don't have either of the cpu scaling patches in ;) Jan 12 21:52:03 drnull I'll try it next time Jan 12 21:52:29 rwhitby: something broke.. :( Jan 12 21:52:32 and I didn't do it. Jan 12 21:52:39 also, it's not the touchstone that sometimes freezes my pre during bootup. it just did it with no touchstone. Jan 12 21:52:42 KEYofR: I don't know what the CPU scaling patches did, but your pre is always using scaling Jan 12 21:53:03 dBsooner: you go into the admin and click on the install plugin button Jan 12 21:53:04 in 1.3.5+ it uses it to set CPU speed to 600mhz to play games. this is called "Turbo mode" Jan 12 21:53:10 since when? I though palm had it locked at 500mhz? Jan 12 21:53:18 can anyone confirm md5sum for 1.3.5.1 webosdoctorp100ewwsprint.jar 14e3c4168030498b42370115b33ee278 Jan 12 21:53:28 rwhitby: nope, not yet. I've been trying to use Puttygen-created keys inside of dropbear, so now I'm trying to get dropbear-created keys to work in putty. It's not working yet. Jan 12 21:53:35 PuffTheMagic: I know... when i went to the admin panel, i all of a sudden got "Internal server error" on the trac site Jan 12 21:53:47 destinal: why do you think we wont get Pirahana headers? Jan 12 21:53:50 didn't get the chance to browse for my plugin Jan 12 21:54:14 PuffTheMagic: depends on if there's NPAPI-type plugin support Jan 12 21:54:18 we don't know but I hope there is Jan 12 21:54:35 (in the PDK) Jan 12 21:55:00 what can i do... i have installed the latest webos update 1.3.5.2 and forgot to remove the patches... now i cant install the pachtes again... i get an error Jan 12 21:55:24 destinal: having SDL is just a convienece, i dont think they would force everyone to use it Jan 12 21:55:26 pYr0x: run EPR (emergy patch remover) Jan 12 21:55:31 but idk Jan 12 21:55:33 depends on type of app Jan 12 21:55:46 PuffTheMagic: you getting an error 500 @ http://git.webos-internals.org/trac/" too? Jan 12 21:55:51 gkatsev: how to get? Jan 12 21:55:51 orange-sym-r works at least when it's stuck during boot, don't know yet if it works during enterminus-lock Jan 12 21:56:01 pYr0x: preware. just search for it Jan 12 21:56:03 PuffTheMagic: well, type: game suggests that they only meant SDL for games, meaning probably there IS NPAPI support Jan 12 21:56:07 ok thx Jan 12 21:56:37 PuffTheMagic: or something similar Jan 12 21:56:39 rwhitby: the private creat created by "dropbearkey -t rsa -f /home/root/.ssh/id_rsa" is all kinds of ugly: puttygen doesn't know what to do with it Jan 12 21:56:54 s/creat/key/ Jan 12 21:56:56 flare576 meant: rwhitby: the private key created by "dropbearkey -t rsa -f /home/root/.ssh/id_rsa" is all kinds of ugly: puttygen doesn't know what to do with it Jan 12 21:57:18 flare576: why are you not making yoru key in puttygen to begin with? Jan 12 21:57:22 lol, webos internals pdk Jan 12 21:57:39 he just said He tried that first Jan 12 21:57:40 flare576: you don't need any keys from the pre for this to work Jan 12 21:58:03 ah Jan 12 21:58:11 scrolled back, understand context now Jan 12 21:58:13 destinal: oh, I did. that was the first 4 hours. I created it with putty gen, grabbed the public key, wrote /home/root/.ssh/authorized_keys, and then failed Jan 12 21:58:24 is there a place to download the latest webosdoctor with meta doctor applied? Jan 12 21:58:32 flare576: four HOURS? Jan 12 21:58:43 flare576: I would have given up and used an ssh password well before four hours Jan 12 21:58:47 destinal: been working on this since I came in the room. Jan 12 21:59:02 destinal: the idea is that I use the Preware stuff; that's my goal Jan 12 21:59:07 puttygen creates the public part a few different ways though, and I haven't tried myself to see what might be the issue since my pre is spending more time rebooting than running the last hour Jan 12 21:59:19 and once I figure out what I'm doing wrong, I want to add to the wiki Jan 12 21:59:20 and I don't have dropbear running anywhere else Jan 12 21:59:21 ohhh bluetooth tethering Jan 12 21:59:22 flare576: check the permissions on the /root and /root/.ssh folders Jan 12 21:59:32 as well as the authorized_keys file Jan 12 21:59:35 xcomp: are the cross-compile lib failures just you, or everyone? did you start from a virgin ubuntu 9.10 server and only install the packages listed on the wiki? Jan 12 21:59:36 Lumiere: permissions for the folder are 700, file are 600 Jan 12 21:59:42 flare576: yeah, but I would have novaterm'd in and edited the dropbear upstart script to remove -g and set a root password Jan 12 21:59:47 ownership? Jan 12 21:59:53 flare576: I guess I have less patience than you do Jan 12 22:00:09 destinal: if that's always required, the package and/or wiki should be updated. Jan 12 22:00:15 dest: I suggested that myself a while back Jan 12 22:00:15 rwhitby: no ... i'm talking about stage-rootfs not finding the correct libs and staging them automatically Jan 12 22:00:22 rwhitby: I think I broke Trac. Jan 12 22:00:28 lol Jan 12 22:00:31 flare576: well only if you don't want to use keys exclusively, and I don't Jan 12 22:00:35 Lumiere: root owns them Jan 12 22:00:43 flare576: I'd recommend using the openssh package Jan 12 22:00:44 or rather, offered it as a way out, since I don't want to be accused of actually suggesting to someone to use passwords Jan 12 22:00:45 flare576: keys are the official way though Jan 12 22:00:53 but, _I_ am. Jan 12 22:00:54 KEYofR: oh dear gods Jan 12 22:01:10 yeah the horror Jan 12 22:01:17 KEYofR: everyone gets up in arms about passwords -- a good password is perfectly secure for this purpose Jan 12 22:01:42 destinal: I agree, but I'm smshing my head in the hopes that others don't have to. Jan 12 22:01:57 and if telling them to use passwords simply causes them to smash their heads at a later time, that's not acceptible either. Jan 12 22:02:30 ok my pres back up, and I'm not TOUCHING enterminus for now so I'll check this out Jan 12 22:03:24 rwhitby: ok, I'm going to "/opt/bin/ipkg-opt remove openssh" first Jan 12 22:03:35 flare576: ok Jan 12 22:04:03 does the bootstrap .sh file install anything else related to openssh? Jan 12 22:04:34 ipkg-opt list_installed | grep ssh Jan 12 22:04:37 :: checks:: yeah, openssh-sft Jan 12 22:04:41 flare576: it would install the boot scripts Jan 12 22:04:45 /etc/event.d Jan 12 22:04:50 So, who is alpha testing Preware with app catalog support? Jan 12 22:05:06 rwhitby: me Jan 12 22:05:15 rwhitby: until I broke Trac. :) Jan 12 22:05:53 or would it be /opt/etc/event.d? Jan 12 22:06:01 dBsooner: /etc/ Jan 12 22:06:04 yeah Jan 12 22:06:06 and got it. Jan 12 22:06:06 so i walk outside Jan 12 22:06:09 walk back in Jan 12 22:06:12 no palm in pocket. Jan 12 22:06:24 does profile 'lost my phone' delete /media/internal? Jan 12 22:06:56 oc80z: ouch Jan 12 22:07:09 oc80z: yeah, I think that's the remote wipe Jan 12 22:07:11 is there a place to download the latest webosdoctor jar with meta doctor applied? Jan 12 22:07:13 rwhitby: dumb question maybe: should I remove dropbear? Jan 12 22:07:14 oc80z: Dunno.. depends on what was on /media/internal as to if I stole it or not. ;) Jan 12 22:07:15 yeah rw! Jan 12 22:07:22 :D db Jan 12 22:07:30 flare576: I'd remove all of /opt and start again using Preware Jan 12 22:07:36 yeah all certs and bad stuff Jan 12 22:07:38 that's what I meant, sorry Jan 12 22:07:51 should I uninstall dropbear with preware Jan 12 22:08:00 ie: use openssh instead Jan 12 22:08:07 not in addition to Jan 12 22:08:07 Are you sure you want to delete all data on the device? Jan 12 22:08:10 Back Up Data Before Erase Jan 12 22:08:14 whats this back up data? Jan 12 22:08:28 palm profile data? Jan 12 22:08:36 oc80z: it's like one of those rear-mounted cameras on a car. Jan 12 22:08:49 really Jan 12 22:08:57 like synnergy info Jan 12 22:08:58 oc80z: no. but gmanvbva is probably right Jan 12 22:09:05 shutup flare Jan 12 22:09:11 yeah, your accounts, but not pics. Jan 12 22:09:17 rwhitby: would you mind doing a quick "make build" on my dosbox package to make sure I'm not smoking something? it works fine for me out of the box on a clean /srv now but not out of the box for Rick Jan 12 22:09:50 Device erase was initiated successfully Jan 12 22:09:56 or if anyone else wants to git pull cross-compile and try it, I'd be much obliged Jan 12 22:10:35 thats rw. Jan 12 22:10:55 flare576: yes uninstall anything related from Preware, uninstall all ipkg-opt list_installed, then start again and install openssh sftp server from Preware Jan 12 22:11:10 thanks* Jan 12 22:11:10 destinal: fails for me Jan 12 22:11:14 :( Jan 12 22:11:30 cool, thanks. I'll report back. Jan 12 22:11:38 i there any patch to avoid a call when the phone is locked Jan 12 22:11:46 destinal: segfault when running conftest Jan 12 22:11:56 rwhitby: try again? Jan 12 22:12:05 rwhitby: I wonder if qemu has issues Jan 12 22:12:25 destinal: best to do the patch in the unpack, not in the build Jan 12 22:12:43 ah ok. otherwise it's a copy of scummvm Jan 12 22:12:47 makefile Jan 12 22:12:51 I've seen qemu instability recently Jan 12 22:13:05 rwhitby: any idea what I did to cause the error 500 on the trac site.. even http://git.webos-internals.org/trac/ gives error 500. Jan 12 22:13:05 palm profile backs up pics now Jan 12 22:13:08 yeah, there was instability in sdlmame Jan 12 22:13:19 just doctored my Pre and it restored pics? Jan 12 22:13:25 or does it not wipte them now? Jan 12 22:13:26 rwhitby: I might as well take it to the goal: how do I get rid of ipkg-opt itself? Jan 12 22:13:28 xcomp: this line in openssl Makefile is not right (needs sb2 I think): ( cd build/src ; /usr/bin/install -m 644 libcrypto.pc libssl.pc openssl.pc ${INSTALL_PREFIX}/lib/pkgconfig ) Jan 12 22:13:35 dBsooner: how would I know what you have done - you haven't said what you did yet. I assume it didn't happen by itself. Jan 12 22:13:44 rwhitby: Rick was able to get it working with sb2 -M /srv/preware/cross-compile/staging/mapping-armv7 then at that shell ./configure --with-sdl-prefix=/usr/local && make Jan 12 22:13:50 i think I clicked the wrong file in the upload. Jan 12 22:13:55 so it should work for you from makefile I would think Jan 12 22:13:59 gmanvbva: To the best of my knowledge, Doctor does what it can to not touch /media/internal Jan 12 22:14:03 browse, I selected a file, clicked add plugin Jan 12 22:14:07 but I don't get what failed for him in the first place Jan 12 22:14:07 and boom.. error 500 Jan 12 22:14:07 flare576: that will get overwritten, so don't worry Jan 12 22:14:17 rwhitby: 10-4 Jan 12 22:14:51 destinal: SDL_net and SDL_sound are missing from configure .. Jan 12 22:14:53 flare576: Thanks. Last time I doctored I had to reload everything. But it's been a while Jan 12 22:15:21 rwhitby: how's that? Jan 12 22:15:31 destinal: they are not stagd Jan 12 22:15:45 configure completes this time Jan 12 22:16:11 jacques: you're right Jan 12 22:16:14 thanks Jan 12 22:16:29 what are "services" in webos. just a "backend" that is being started/stopped with the application or something that actually runs all of the time? Jan 12 22:16:36 rb2k: welcome Jan 12 22:16:39 hey :) Jan 12 22:16:44 rb2k: runs all the time Jan 12 22:16:45 just popping in while playing with my pre Jan 12 22:16:49 ew Jan 12 22:16:49 Java or C Jan 12 22:16:52 flare576: that's a relatively new innovation. it used to wipe / re-create that filesystem every time you doctored Jan 12 22:16:55 dosbox has nothing to be done for stage Jan 12 22:17:00 why would a terminal or a filemanager need something like that? Jan 12 22:17:22 rb2k: cause it's the only way for a webos app to be able to run something as root Jan 12 22:17:22 rb2k: because javascript is a sandboxed type of environment Jan 12 22:17:36 destinal: yup, that's my understanding. When I doctored there was no way it could have saved my data... partition resize :( Jan 12 22:17:42 <_lance_> anyone happen to have a emulator-compatable package for openssh, or better yet, a vm image preloaded with openssh+terminal ? Jan 12 22:17:45 rb2k: because palm made it that way Jan 12 22:17:53 hm, ok Jan 12 22:17:59 _lance_: just install them from preware in the emulator Jan 12 22:18:01 this should change with the PDK though? Jan 12 22:18:09 rb2k: nope Jan 12 22:18:10 rb2k: for you to reach out of mojo to system level stuff you need a native app, or a plugin, or a service Jan 12 22:18:30 one of those three Jan 12 22:18:50 and the native app option is going to be sandboxed too Jan 12 22:18:52 rb2k: it will change in the sense that it will be accessible to developers more readily Jan 12 22:19:03 ok Jan 12 22:19:05 rwhitby: sure but it'll have system level stuff to a large degree Jan 12 22:19:05 zsoc|sad: it will not allow root Jan 12 22:19:11 xcomp: the line after it too, should be: ( cd build/src/include ; ${SB2} cp -Lr openssl ${INSTALL_PREFIX}/include ) Jan 12 22:19:13 <_lance_> rwhitby: that works, thanks. Jan 12 22:19:18 how big are the memory footprints of the services? Jan 12 22:19:23 it'll have all PDL_ API I assume Jan 12 22:19:28 jacques: yeah I know Jan 12 22:19:32 rb2k: relatively small Jan 12 22:19:37 rwhitby: but it will allow a lot of basic native functionality without it Jan 12 22:19:38 just installing the filemanager and terminal leaves me with 2 more services... (which makes me feel dirty :P ) Jan 12 22:19:40 rb2k: depends on the service, less than 1% for most Jan 12 22:19:44 jacques: updated Jan 12 22:19:56 rb2k: feel powerful instead of dirty. problem solved. Jan 12 22:19:56 xcomp: great Jan 12 22:20:09 yay Jan 12 22:20:13 rb2k: terminal is not a service, it's a plugin Jan 12 22:20:22 ah Jan 12 22:20:22 it is not resident Jan 12 22:20:26 YAY! Jan 12 22:20:45 woot, ecore builds Jan 12 22:20:51 file manager service is a thread in the existing java process Jan 12 22:21:03 as is ipkgservice Jan 12 22:21:15 <_lance_> rwhitby: hm.. happen to have a link to a jar? get.preware.org took them down and i don't know where webos quickinstall caches its downloads. Jan 12 22:21:19 may or may not be less mem footprint than a C service. Jan 12 22:21:38 _lance_: http://install.preware.org/ Jan 12 22:21:49 destinal: dosbox built Jan 12 22:22:03 is there anyway to have the pre function like a network connected flash drive that will work on any computer and not have to go into usb mode Jan 12 22:22:05 rwhitby: so did you have to fix anything or was it just qemu instability? Jan 12 22:22:12 destinal: qemu instability Jan 12 22:22:15 sigh Jan 12 22:22:22 that's going to suck sooner or later Jan 12 22:22:29 rb2k: but C services rule cause you don't have to java restart to install and remove them Jan 12 22:22:38 is dosbox supposed to build as is in the git? Jan 12 22:22:40 destinal: yep Jan 12 22:22:45 egaudet_work: yep, it does for me Jan 12 22:22:54 because there's nothing in stage:: target Jan 12 22:23:03 hmm... is there actually more than one filemanager? Jan 12 22:23:09 sryan: Like a NAS? Jan 12 22:23:13 rb2k: no Jan 12 22:23:26 <_lance_> rwhitby: i found that while googling. i don't see a jar attachment in that thread, just instructions for download from get.preware or webosquickinstaller Jan 12 22:23:30 ok :) Jan 12 22:23:42 sryan: just install openssh sftp server and use sshfs or winscp Jan 12 22:23:49 dosbox running. Jan 12 22:23:50 thanks Jan 12 22:24:04 now, where is z:\ and how do I get files into it? Jan 12 22:24:05 :-) Jan 12 22:24:07 the dosbox Makefile in cross-compile.git is not right Jan 12 22:24:30 rwhitby: I accidentally clicked on "setup.py" isntead of the .egg file Jan 12 22:24:36 _lance_: the old installer failed for 1.3.5, you can alpha test the new installer at http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=tools/ipkg-installer.git;a=tree Jan 12 22:24:45 is there a ssh client for DOS, because we could install that in dosbox and ssh to the local machine and use that for a terminal :-D Jan 12 22:24:46 rwhitby: and clicked add plugin.. so It must have copied that .py file to somewhere and is trying to use it. Jan 12 22:24:52 <_lance_> rwhitby: much thanks. :) Jan 12 22:25:19 _lance_: but if you're in the emulator, I'd just use the preware-bootstrap script instead Jan 12 22:25:25 _lance_: last three lines of the wiki page Jan 12 22:25:33 <_lance_> ah! i'll do that, then. Jan 12 22:27:36 dBsooner: let's hope that hasn't done any real damage then ... Jan 12 22:28:38 rwhitby: OpenSSH worked first time. Dropbear either requires the public keys to be somewhere else or is incorrectly configured upon install. Jan 12 22:29:13 destinal: you're missing a DEPENDS = libsdl in dosbox Jan 12 22:29:34 rwhitby: ah, ok good catch on the sdl_net and sdl_audio Jan 12 22:29:36 also Jan 12 22:30:04 destinal: I'm adding a 'setup' target at the top level, so you can go "make clobber setup ; cd packages/foo ; make build" to test from scratch Jan 12 22:31:29 is there a native google reader client? Jan 12 22:31:42 feeds Jan 12 22:32:02 app catalog, and there's one other one, too, but I like Feeds Jan 12 22:32:19 nice Jan 12 22:32:30 rb2k: Scoop is the other Jan 12 22:32:30 app catalog is down for me atm :( Jan 12 22:32:35 i there any way to avoid a call when the screen is locked Jan 12 22:32:39 anyway to get group messaging through sms or gtalk Jan 12 22:32:51 pYr0x: power button? Jan 12 22:32:53 maybe? Jan 12 22:33:10 power button? Jan 12 22:33:53 yup, just tested it Jan 12 22:34:01 power button 1 time for silence, twice for ignore. Jan 12 22:34:23 pYr0x: volume down will do that as well Jan 12 22:34:25 aha... ok i will tes ist Jan 12 22:34:30 oh wait, are "feeds" and "scoop" paid apps? Jan 12 22:34:45 I know feeds is; graduated from homebrew catalog. Jan 12 22:35:06 scoop is as well Jan 12 22:35:07 damn it <--- germany Jan 12 22:35:09 rwhitby: I've looked at the setup.py file.. it doesn't look likie it could have done nay damage Jan 12 22:35:12 (no paid apps) Jan 12 22:35:19 rb2k: :( that sucks! Jan 12 22:35:47 I could just try mailing the author Jan 12 22:35:51 Just saw the following in /etc/palm/downloadManager.conf: "BeAggressive__Bee_Eee_AGGRESSIVE=true" ... I LOL'ed Jan 12 22:35:53 but "feeds" is almost impossible to search for Jan 12 22:35:54 and I just checked; doesn't look like Feeds is in the homebrew area anymore :( Jan 12 22:36:59 rb2k: http://goo.gl/5oWK Jan 12 22:37:17 that will take you to the app's page Jan 12 22:37:20 rb2k: this is the developer: http://www.deliciousmorsel.com/app/feeds Jan 12 22:37:26 thank you! Jan 12 22:38:31 wow I'm glad that's over. Jan 12 22:39:09 rwhitby: the setup.py file that was accidentally submited: http://webos.pastebin.com/d812cd68 Jan 12 22:39:27 as long as this is finally working, I think I'll press my luck: what is likely to explode if I change my hostname? "palm-webos-device" is a bit wordy. Jan 12 22:42:06 i was wondering, is anyone working on zoom for the camera?\n Jan 12 22:43:58 <_lance_> Oh.. I totally forgot that webosquickinstall worked for the emulator too. boy is my face red. Jan 12 22:44:05 <_lance_> well, there goes several hours of yak shaving, at least. Jan 12 22:46:33 good evening Jan 12 22:46:50 drnull: yeah I did too when I saw it Jan 12 22:47:42 ahm, little question to "free tether": how can I use it? (it is installed) Jan 12 22:47:44 destinal: I am now haunted by the mental image of chuq in a cheerleading outfit ugh. Jan 12 22:48:02 drnull: you get qotd Jan 12 22:48:37 ok destinal dosbox RUNS but you can't get at any symbol keys.... Jan 12 22:48:39 :-/ Jan 12 22:48:55 so I can't change to a c: that I mount in "autoexec" int he configure file. Jan 12 22:48:55 :O Jan 12 22:48:57 :-( Jan 12 22:50:31 destinal: dosbox builds from scratch with the libsdl depends added Jan 12 22:51:01 hello?...can anyone tell me if anyone's workin on zoom for the camera? Jan 12 22:51:01 destinal: setup target pushed Jan 12 22:51:08 benblush: nope Jan 12 22:51:50 I got putty and dropbear working with keys generated by puttygen. Jan 12 22:52:15 Just followed the directions on nslu2-linux Jan 12 22:52:17 rwhitby: hey, how can I use "free tether"?I've installed it on the palm. and now? Jan 12 22:52:53 KEYofR: could have just followed the directions on the homepage link of those apps in Preware Jan 12 22:52:53 rwhitby: you get my pastebin? Jan 12 22:53:13 rwhitby: oh ok thanks...I wish I had a single developer bone in my body lol...I guess I'll play the waiting game Jan 12 22:53:24 damn... forgot how to tab complete in wirc again... Jan 12 22:53:36 dBsooner: yep, but leaving for work now Jan 12 22:53:40 oh, ok. Jan 12 22:53:42 anyway, I have an idea for preware alpha Jan 12 22:54:12 benblush: why would you want digital zoom? Jan 12 22:54:13 destinal on th eother hand, stuff runs. Jan 12 22:54:21 can you guys add a place in prefrences where we can list app vendors do not display? Jan 12 22:54:26 lemmings runs, mouse works (offset but works) Jan 12 22:54:30 nice. Jan 12 22:54:33 no sound. Jan 12 22:54:37 *brighthouse labs* Jan 12 22:54:39 rwhitby: thanks Jan 12 22:55:26 rwhitby: have fun at werk Jan 12 22:55:51 rwhitby usually hangs out while at work Jan 12 22:56:03 hopefully he will today so the Trac sites will start working again. :D Jan 12 22:56:19 flare576: sometimes I have to get a lil bit too close to things to get a nice shot...not really a big deal though Jan 12 22:56:57 benblush: that's a fault of the lens, though, digital zoom won't help clarity or closeness. There are some hacks out there you could try, though: one of which involves the reading laser from a DVD player. Jan 12 22:56:59 dBsooner: did you see what I wrote about preware alpha, and do you think it is a good idea? Jan 12 22:57:21 ben: the pint was that you can't get anything with digital zoom that you can't get with cropping later. Jan 12 22:57:48 cryptk-ppre: like what is done with the hide app-vendors in the AC with the patch? Jan 12 22:58:40 only have it actually remove them. that patch just dims their text... I want to actually be able to remove certain vendors from preware alpha Jan 12 22:59:04 * cryptk-ppre thinks of brighthouse labs Jan 12 23:00:02 ok, this is absolute weirdness Jan 12 23:00:16 I overwrote a package on the web server Jan 12 23:00:19 have a section just like wirc's 'perform on connect' where you can put one vendor per line Jan 12 23:00:23 somehow curl keeps producing the old version Jan 12 23:00:32 wget gets the right one Jan 12 23:00:36 i don't get it Jan 12 23:00:37 xcomp: cache? Jan 12 23:00:47 what web server. is there load balancing in effect? Jan 12 23:00:54 no load balancing Jan 12 23:01:01 weird... Jan 12 23:01:05 or right, a squid Jan 12 23:01:11 hmmm...squid Jan 12 23:01:16 damn you, squid Jan 12 23:01:28 flare576: could you point me to where I could find info on those hacks? thx Jan 12 23:02:09 killed squid, same thing Jan 12 23:02:14 KEYofR: ok I get it...makes sense Jan 12 23:02:35 benblush: good place to start: http://lifehacker.com/5345067/turn-a-dvd-lens-into-a-cellphone-macro-lens Jan 12 23:03:47 xcomp: verify dns resolution, is curl going where you think it's going? verify apache config, is the relative path from the client where you think it is on the server? Jan 12 23:04:20 all my paths are absolute, it's my own web server Jan 12 23:04:40 ok, more weirdness Jan 12 23:04:58 i deleted the file on the server and reuploaded using scp Jan 12 23:05:00 it does not appear Jan 12 23:05:12 there is no such thing as an absoluet path via httpd unless you really did set DOCUMENT_ROOT=/ ! Jan 12 23:05:27 but ecore finds it Jan 12 23:05:30 err wget Jan 12 23:05:32 wth Jan 12 23:06:03 oh. i'm an idiot Jan 12 23:06:19 it's time to take a break Jan 12 23:06:19 flare576: thx a lot...I have several old dvd players collecting dust...i'll see how it works Jan 12 23:06:38 very cool: I hope it helps your shots! Jan 12 23:06:43 my brain is clearly no longer functioning at capacity Jan 12 23:06:46 different xterms opened to different hosts? Jan 12 23:07:39 no, i left out one item in the path while uploading Jan 12 23:07:54 xcomp: as in, in one of your windows you werent on the box you thought you were? Jan 12 23:08:00 ah Jan 12 23:08:12 KEYofR: as in the file was being uploaded to the parent directory Jan 12 23:08:49 goodbye, verne Jan 12 23:11:08 I'm having some firmware issues. I patched 1.3.1 using meta doctor and flashed it to my Pre. Then I ran Pre's update app and it patched my firmware to 1.3.5.1 Jan 12 23:11:14 Now my Pre wont go to sleep Jan 12 23:11:29 The screen blacks out for ~30seconds and then comes back on again, then goes back Jan 12 23:11:42 to black and keeps repeating this cycle Jan 12 23:11:50 unsigned: doctor time Jan 12 23:12:07 unsigned: 1.3.5 does continuous activation checks Jan 12 23:12:46 I see.. Jan 12 23:13:06 so I patch 1.3.5.1 and flash it? Jan 12 23:13:34 you can try Jan 12 23:13:45 I suspect it will do the same Jan 12 23:14:16 it's a problem I am yet to diagnose Jan 12 23:14:20 bah, I wish Palm had a developer version of the Pre Jan 12 23:14:50 This is too much trouble just to write apps.. I'm not in the US, so I cant even get it working if I wanted to.. Jan 12 23:14:54 Blob for autocomplete sucks in wIRC - I am going to need to fix that too Jan 12 23:18:57 rwhitby-pre: huh? Jan 12 23:19:57 how do I access my phone with winscp? openssh and openssh sftp server are on the phone Jan 12 23:20:12 PuffTheMagic: type I then type and type a ' and it autocompletes Jan 12 23:20:15 unsigned: what are you doing that you can't use the emulator? Jan 12 23:20:41 rwhitby-pre: in wirc? hmmm thought that was disabled Jan 12 23:20:45 I'm writing a game that uses the accelerometer Jan 12 23:20:50 rwhitby-pre: there might be an option to turn that off in prefs Jan 12 23:20:53 i dont rememeber htough Jan 12 23:21:01 Actually I already had written one a while back Jan 12 23:21:14 now they updated the update rate of the accelerometer in the newer firmware Jan 12 23:21:18 so I want to give it a shot Jan 12 23:21:22 xcomp: you get any more efl libs building? Jan 12 23:21:25 again and see if its more responsive Jan 12 23:21:25 sryan: ssh port 22 as root with ssh key Jan 12 23:21:31 unsigned: ah. Jan 12 23:22:03 PuffTheMagic: yeah, I'm working through some dist Makefile issues with ecore and once that's done I'll add evas and ecore Jan 12 23:22:16 unsigned: as soon as the waking up behaviour annoys me enough I'll find a fix for it. Jan 12 23:22:21 the web browser on the pre can download any .exe package right? where does it put it? Jan 12 23:22:29 had to push some of the fixes back into svn Jan 12 23:22:46 and executable i mean Jan 12 23:22:47 xcomp: evas and ecore would enough to get enterminus building but we still need everyhting for elementary :( Jan 12 23:23:01 xcomp: i hope you havebetter luck than me with lua Jan 12 23:23:01 rwhitby-pre: Thanks, its not a big deal. I dont use it for anything other than testing code.. :) Jan 12 23:23:02 lemketron -- You guys are sure good at keeping the secrets you want to keep. Jan 12 23:23:14 PuffTheMagic: yeah, this is a long and painful process to be honest Jan 12 23:23:32 but i need to be as thorough as I can so that things are clean Jan 12 23:23:35 No one even HINTED at a leak of a chance of 1.3.5.2 and built in tethering at CES lemketron -- the cattle prods and shock collars must have done their work. Jan 12 23:23:41 xcomp: yeah manually for sb2 its a pain.... it was painless for me on gentoo :D Jan 12 23:23:53 yeah, really. I didn't even know about that. Jan 12 23:24:03 I still can't find the build internally. Jan 12 23:24:17 heh Jan 12 23:24:18 Ok, not lemketron _that_ is funny. Jan 12 23:24:25 lol Jan 12 23:24:32 scummvm takes forevvver to compile Jan 12 23:24:40 Toaster23: make -j5 Jan 12 23:24:42 -not +now Jan 12 23:24:50 -j8 !! Jan 12 23:25:18 * lemketron hugs his 8-core Mac Pro Jan 12 23:25:21 sometimes you wish you could tell make to go to the internet and rent some cpu cycles Jan 12 23:25:29 there's a cloud for that Jan 12 23:25:44 (I should TM that) Jan 12 23:25:59 JR probably beat you to it. Jan 12 23:26:03 that's what I like about the datacenter at work Jan 12 23:26:13 if I don't feel like waiting for something, I just submit a job Jan 12 23:26:25 I need a new computer. Jan 12 23:26:39 me too. badly Jan 12 23:26:44 has anyone ever used the mac os x grid option? Jan 12 23:26:49 quad core, etc etc yada yada. Jan 12 23:26:52 this rickety rig isn't cutting it anymore Jan 12 23:26:54 doesnt it just use spare cycles from any other mac on your lan? Jan 12 23:27:51 sorry lost connection Jan 12 23:27:55 whats -now do? Jan 12 23:27:59 compiles much faster now Jan 12 23:28:27 lol.. Jan 12 23:28:55 that was just a diff of the chat message correction Jan 12 23:29:00 not a commandline param Jan 12 23:29:01 :P Jan 12 23:29:10 This is a happy MacPro: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lemketron/4269581351/ Jan 12 23:29:15 I like to add --no-bugs Jan 12 23:29:16 :P Jan 12 23:29:22 (or a warm one anyway) Jan 12 23:29:58 lemketron: how loud is it under that load? Jan 12 23:30:04 don't you just love it when you finish building and then you realize you made a typo in the Makefile Jan 12 23:30:14 and because you fixed the typo, it starts building all over again Jan 12 23:30:26 it's not that very loud Jan 12 23:30:31 lots of slow fans, iirc Jan 12 23:30:46 I'm considering one and I just heard complaints about the noise under load Jan 12 23:30:49 what does "EMH" mean? Jan 12 23:31:08 my imac has spoiled me for sound levels Jan 12 23:31:09 Emergency Migration Helper Jan 12 23:31:09 lemketron: http://i.imgur.com/tQZft.png :P Jan 12 23:31:11 in preware Jan 12 23:31:32 I don't really notice it. And I'm sensitive to noisy computers. Dell towers with whiny fans are the worst. Jan 12 23:32:04 lemketron: what the hell are you compiling? Jan 12 23:32:08 yes, high pitch is the worst Jan 12 23:32:24 thanks Jan 12 23:32:36 that picture is old, but was of two simultaneous webos builds: one for arm and one for x86. Usually I only build for x86, like right now. Jan 12 23:32:49 and unfortunately vmware only makes four cpu (cores) available per vm Jan 12 23:33:19 * Rick_work wonders what 1.3.5.2 will do to preware server hits tonight. Jan 12 23:33:31 unsigned: are you serious? Jan 12 23:33:48 so 1.3.5.2 is EU only due to tethering, correct? Jan 12 23:33:55 Rick: last night Jan 12 23:33:57 dBsooner: Yeah ! (Its not mine though) Jan 12 23:34:05 * Rick_work -- yep, the regular 24 hour wave is now broken. No dip, new peak. Jan 12 23:34:24 unsigned: sad that it's windoze though Jan 12 23:34:32 rwhitby no headroom. Jan 12 23:34:38 How many gigs of ram.. I think that said 148? Jan 12 23:34:38 we gotta get that new server..... Jan 12 23:34:54 dBsooner: why sad? :S Jan 12 23:35:07 the CPU Usage shows 0% ;) Jan 12 23:35:28 windoze can't be that great.. i don't see it being able to utilize all those processors properly Jan 12 23:35:59 what do you mean? Jan 12 23:36:09 the scheduler can and will schedule threads on all of the individual cores Jan 12 23:36:24 and finally, evas and ecore are in git Jan 12 23:36:36 the actual usage depends on how well the code is written Jan 12 23:37:34 I would try to build evas, but ... the proxy :-( Jan 12 23:37:37 rwhitby-pre: Are you driving and wIRC'ing? Jan 12 23:38:28 No, we have this modern technology called public transport in this country ;-) Jan 12 23:38:49 Wow! Really? What is that? Jan 12 23:39:11 how come when following this: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Setup_SFTP it says sudo and visudo not found (probably something little that I'm not seeing) Jan 12 23:39:15 How far is Adelaide from Sydney? Like 1500km? Jan 12 23:39:47 that's gotta be like a million miles. Jan 12 23:40:19 man.. someone needs to go through and get rid of all the old stuff in the Wiki Jan 12 23:40:41 dBsooner: LMGTFY: http://maps.google.com/maps?q=adelaide,au+to+sydney,au Jan 12 23:40:42 :) Jan 12 23:40:47 xcomp: is the source packages in your builds straight from the repo or have you modified it ? Jan 12 23:40:47 1500 km = 900 Miles Jan 12 23:40:57 dBsooner: http://maps.howstuffworks.com/australia-us-comparison-map.htm Jan 12 23:41:10 wow.. I was REALLY close Jan 12 23:41:34 * dBsooner is going to fly to Sydney for a vacation soon and needs to go crash Rod's pad.. Jan 12 23:41:43 I just got my 2nd Pre in the mail :) Jan 12 23:41:52 so it's about 50 miles farther than from one end of Texas to the other Jan 12 23:42:10 Is this the route where they have those huge linked truck-"trains" ? Jan 12 23:42:13 rwhitby: What would the speed limits be on those roads? Jan 12 23:42:22 dBsooner: 110Km/h Jan 12 23:42:26 that's like saying you're going to fly to new york soon, and want to stay with your friend in Houston. dBsooner Jan 12 23:42:35 better to just bite the bullet and fly? Or is there a public transit from sydney to adelaide? Jan 12 23:42:48 egaudet: nice Jan 12 23:42:51 Rick_work: this I know. Jan 12 23:43:02 Rick_work: sorta, 'cept how often would he make it to oz in the first place. Jan 12 23:43:15 Rick_work: more like flying into Houston and wanting to stay with friend in El Paso Jan 12 23:43:19 Rick_work: But since AU is like a million miles from Oklahoma, it's not everday I would be that close to Rod. Jan 12 23:43:28 So whats another 900 miles? Jan 12 23:43:38 * Rick_work concedes point to everyone and leaves for home. BBL Jan 12 23:43:55 (I just drove 900 miles the other day actually... Tulsa to El Paso, TX for the Sun Bowl) Jan 12 23:44:29 dBsooner: you were close to me then Jan 12 23:44:43 about as close as you were to Rod, lol Jan 12 23:44:45 that reminds me - who's coming to SCALE ? webos-internals has a booth Jan 12 23:44:47 <_lance_> I drove 900 miles at the folks I met thought I was nuts Jan 12 23:45:04 <-- San Antonio Jan 12 23:45:18 cryptk-ppre: I saw the sign for San Antonio.. Jan 12 23:45:19 ;) Jan 12 23:45:24 haha Jan 12 23:45:30 Nah.. I've been there many times.. Love the Riverwalk. Jan 12 23:45:40 what did it say? 200 miles? lol Jan 12 23:45:47 580 Jan 12 23:45:54 where I10 and I20 split Jan 12 23:45:59 I prefer the basement of the Alamo Jan 12 23:46:00 in Far west texas Jan 12 23:46:05 by Pecos, TX Jan 12 23:46:17 riverwalk is fun but next time you are here let me know... I will show you the real fun, lol Jan 12 23:46:33 jacques: you watched too much per wee Jan 12 23:46:41 how come it says sudo and visudo are not found on the pre (in terminal)? Jan 12 23:47:02 wtf, the pre's display doesn't shut down when charging on the touchstone O_o Jan 12 23:47:08 who thought of THAT? Jan 12 23:47:10 * dBsooner wonders if the drive from Sydney to Adelaide would go through desert lands or the "outback" Jan 12 23:47:16 * dBsooner loves Outback.. Jan 12 23:47:20 nobody coming to SCALE ? :-\ http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale8x/ Jan 12 23:47:21 they are not installed by default sryan_ Jan 12 23:47:32 jacques: Broke as a joke. :( Jan 12 23:47:45 =-( Jan 12 23:47:58 cryptk-ppre: San Antonio is a nice place - been there a couple of times Jan 12 23:48:06 no wait.. I have $5.. Jan 12 23:48:11 I got my first donation today. :) Jan 12 23:48:17 sryan_: just use the packages from Preware and log in as root with ssh keys Jan 12 23:48:30 I like it here rwhitby, it was nice outside today Jan 12 23:48:40 dBsooner: research "The Hay Plains" Jan 12 23:48:46 <_lance_> okay.. apparently i need libc.so too Jan 12 23:49:06 * cryptk-ppre needs to find something like scale in san antonio Jan 12 23:49:06 hay? as in grass? Jan 12 23:49:11 like "Hay Fever"? Jan 12 23:49:27 * dBsooner imagines his alergies going hog wild. Jan 12 23:50:07 anyone going to this: http://www.texaslinuxfest.org/ Jan 12 23:50:52 * Toaster89 sighs Jan 12 23:51:06 <_lance_> crosscompiling tsocks is a bigger headache than i expected Jan 12 23:51:18 <_lance_> is there an easier way of forcing a bunch of apps to go through a proxy? Jan 12 23:51:31 _lance_: iptables and delegate.org Jan 12 23:51:34 jacques: I may go to that Jan 12 23:51:43 cryptk-ppre: me too Jan 12 23:51:52 _lance_: both are in optware Jan 12 23:51:55 you in tx jacques Jan 12 23:52:04 cryptk-ppre: Houston area Jan 12 23:52:11 <_lance_> rwhitby: ah, thanks Jan 12 23:52:24 I used to go there all the time. Jan 12 23:52:47 dtzWill: got anything cool I can test? Jan 12 23:52:54 <_lance_> that makes a lot of my effort moot, but i don't really want to repeat it all to get libc on the pre Jan 12 23:53:26 hmmm, I kinda thought the Pre already had a libc Jan 12 23:54:13 <_lance_> I'm getting undefined symbol: __stack_chk_fail_local when using LD_PRELOAD to use libtsocks.so Jan 12 23:54:30 <_lance_> which i assumed was due to missing libc Jan 12 23:54:41 dtzWill: attributes do not pack :( Jan 12 23:54:54 <_lance_> oh. yes, there is a libc in /usr/lib/libc.so Jan 12 23:55:12 according to the es 2.0 book, only uniforms and varyings get packed Jan 12 23:55:26 you would have to set up packing yourself Jan 12 23:55:29 of the vendors I can vouch for microlite as excellent people who write a solid product for decades. and ixsystems shipped me a stack of garbage servers that wasted all kinds of my time until _I_ finally determined the hard way that the lsi non-raid sata cards were garbage at least on linux. Jan 12 23:55:40 (at scale) Jan 12 23:55:51 ali1: they don't??? x.x i was gonna suggets manual packing; i thought they did? is that just uniforms? Jan 12 23:56:15 cryptk-ppre: not yet no, WIP. bouncing through the logs suggested people were talking about it--any conclusions or ideas? Jan 12 23:56:30 dtzWill: i mean they don't automagically pack Jan 12 23:56:31 not pleased with ix no no... ridiculous time-sink dealing with hardware that isn't vetted Jan 12 23:56:47 but you could do it yourself if you make a vec4 instead of a vec3 and a float Jan 12 23:56:51 ali1: i understand, the opengles-book claims they do. Jan 12 23:56:53 so it's fixable Jan 12 23:56:53 yeah, i dont know why but i cant establish a connection with the pre with winscp I have the host=my pre's ip port=222 user=root pass=[blank] sftp server = sudo /opt/libexec/sftp-server. I dont know if the routers blocking it or what Jan 12 23:56:54 KEYofR: what sorts of problems did you have with LSI sata under linux? Jan 12 23:57:09 dtzWill: on attributes? Jan 12 23:57:16 I haven't talked with anyone about it... jack is out of town so I haven't had anyone to brainstorm with Jan 12 23:57:37 ali1: All of the packing that is done is completely transparent to the user of the Jan 12 23:57:40 OpenGL ES Shading Language except for one detail: it impacts the way in Jan 12 23:57:43 which uniforms and varyings are counted. If you want to write shaders that Jan 12 23:57:59 jaq: just this one particular line of plain sata, 4 port pci-e cards. drives drop off of sofware raid arrays for no reason. Jan 12 23:58:15 ali1: oooo. not sure about attributes sorry. i think i misunderstood your response to my questiona bout it above Jan 12 23:58:31 heh its alright Jan 12 23:58:46 the same book on page 111 says unlike uniforms and varyings, attributes do not get packed Jan 12 23:58:57 if you want to see. Jan 12 23:59:02 rwhitby: did you have a chance to look into native homebrews not closing properly? Jan 12 23:59:06 KEYofR: we just got some LSI SAS1068 SATA cards and so far I like them Jan 12 23:59:26 ali1: oh i absolutely believe you, i'm sorry. i thought you meant unfiforms didn't either. Jan 12 23:59:29 Actually, there are two firmwares you can choose from. one is cheap-raid, real hardware raid but only 0,1,10 Jan 12 23:59:49 KEYofR: but we have no plans to use them for arrays Jan 12 23:59:53 one is plain sata. I tried both. SAS3041E Jan 13 00:00:05 ali1: but since they pack, doing it by hand shouldn't be too terrible right? the vec3+float->vec4 conversion. or is there more that makes it lame? Jan 13 00:00:22 sas1064e chip on them Jan 13 00:00:53 dtzWill: not sure yet, but i think it'd be pretty trivial Jan 13 00:01:31 then again this would be my first foray into modifying a shader Jan 13 00:01:59 oh my freaking god Jan 13 00:02:30 <_lance_> rwhitby: thanks for saving me another couple days of work. wish i asked you in the first place. Jan 13 00:02:49 cryptk-ppre: nope, we'll need oil or someone else familiar with webOS javascript to look at that. Jan 13 00:03:04 I've since tried the cards in other boxes just to see if it was a fluke bad combo with a particular model of motherboard. same result. anyone want .. 8 or 12 sas3041e's heh Jan 13 00:03:13 ahh, thx for doing what you can Jan 13 00:03:18 dtzWill: i'm gonna email the author to see his reasoning or at least inform him Jan 13 00:03:45 rw...i handed my phone to someone Jan 13 00:03:48 ali1: that's a great idea. i think modifying the shader wouldn't be too bad though (and the corresponding attribute/uniform bindings) Jan 13 00:04:03 i called it when he came back Jan 13 00:04:03 and he HAD IT ON HIM Jan 13 00:04:10 after i ASKED HIM if he had it Jan 13 00:04:26 oc80z: cool - can you tell us exactly what the remote wipe actually wiped, and what it did not? Jan 13 00:05:15 KEYofR: what kind of interface are they? Jan 13 00:05:19 lol Jan 13 00:05:54 anything that could work in a desktop? I need a hardware raid controller that does a 10 array Jan 13 00:06:32 pcie low profile, I think I have the full size brackets too. some have heat sinks epoxied on from my later more desperate attempts to make them reliableand I'm kidding. well Jan 13 00:07:11 and Im kidding, I'd hate to see anyone else fight with these things. the problem is they work well enough to make you think they work. Jan 13 00:07:40 they for sale? could it have been a kernel issue? Jan 13 00:07:50 unless you had reason to beleive it'd be ok for you such as "we know that the freebsd driver is solid" Jan 13 00:07:50 i cant fucking believe people.. Jan 13 00:07:50 Yeah Jan 13 00:08:03 rw: i just have the blackscreen + PALM Jan 13 00:08:12 i'll try to hit novacom+ Jan 13 00:08:26 oc80z: probably still wiping - it would take a while Jan 13 00:08:36 but yeah, try to novaterm in and see what it's doing Jan 13 00:09:04 ill keep you posted Jan 13 00:09:10 since its not finding the phone Jan 13 00:09:23 looks like its keeping it at THAT level. Jan 13 00:09:26 :)) Jan 13 00:09:47 now THIS feature.. is Corporate+ Jan 13 00:11:43 ahhh Jan 13 00:12:05 dtzWill: book also said that if you go over the max attribs, it will fail to link Jan 13 00:12:17 awesome. i guess. Jan 13 00:12:19 but apparently unused attribs don't even get counted Jan 13 00:12:38 so it'll link even though 9 were declared Jan 13 00:12:53 ali1: ahhhhhhh. that does make sense; i was wondering why it didn't barf on us. well on you; mine doesn't run presently. Jan 13 00:13:14 dtzWill: i'm gonna have to figure that out because i swear it works on mine Jan 13 00:13:38 wait maybe it isn't finding the shader to read in? Jan 13 00:14:06 whatever i'll make the locations to shader and library an argument to the test program next commit Jan 13 00:14:35 dtzWill: if you want to take a look yourself look at wes_init function call in test.c Jan 13 00:14:51 ali1: nah it finds them--if it's not there it barfs. don't worry about it for mys ake quite yet, i'll get serious about tracking it down haha. Jan 13 00:15:02 heh okay Jan 13 00:15:04 ali1: although i'll probably be back asking a question in a bit hehe :) Jan 13 00:15:28 no prob though maybe i should get a real irc client instead of using this web one Jan 13 00:15:41 so i can get alerts better Jan 13 00:16:04 hrm.. Jan 13 00:17:07 crypt: sorry to false alarm it was a joke. I'm keeping them in the corner and keeping an eye out for firmware updates or linux driver updates or possible later project using some other os like freebsd. Jan 13 00:17:24 ahh, no biggie... Jan 13 00:17:45 ali1: although i might make a makefile for the examples :). objections? Jan 13 00:18:01 ali1: and i think i'm gonna pull in some other examples to see if i can get them working and go from there. Jan 13 00:18:05 KEYofR: you know of an affordable hardware control that will do a raid 10 Jan 13 00:18:06 it's frustrating because I _really_ have use for 3gbps pcie 4 port sata2 cards IF they would only be solid. Jan 13 00:18:40 ali1: rofl there's an examples target already, i'm sorry Jan 13 00:18:44 So, what do we need to add to http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Updating_webOS_Versions ? Jan 13 00:19:16 3ware is a ffordable but I don't like their performance. I really only ever bother with fully software raid now. hardware raid just gets in the way and causes problems Jan 13 00:19:27 dtzWill: haha its okay Jan 13 00:19:58 software is a slightly more learning curve, but you can do whatever you need to do and are never stuck because of what the firmware does or doesn't do Jan 13 00:20:44 well I am using a jbod raid now. Jan 13 00:20:54 and I don't know a goo plain sata2 card thats solid in linux at the moment other than el-cheapo 2-port silicon image junk Jan 13 00:21:14 I have just heard that a hardware controller is faster Jan 13 00:21:43 KEYofR, cryptk-ppre: -> #webos-watercooler ? Jan 13 00:22:08 17:10 i erased phone.. 17:20 palm.com erased data 19:00 i catch the guy w/ phone... Phone is not booting :) Jan 13 00:22:25 rwhitby: didn't know we had that channel... Jan 13 00:22:26 i am guessing i should doctor it. :) Jan 13 00:22:29 anyone know where downloaded files with the pres web browser are saved Jan 13 00:22:50 those are actually reliable, but, you can't put more than 2 in a box for some reason. (at least with some motherboards) next up is Promise pci-x and an aopen pxi-x card, but pci-x is not actually enough bandwidth for 8 sata2 Jan 13 00:22:54 oc80z: do you know how to bootie mem into the initramfs ? Jan 13 00:22:59 rwhitby, sorry Jan 13 00:23:19 oc80z: with bootie mem: you can check what's still in the flash Jan 13 00:23:19 i am familiar with SunOS / Cisco IOS initramfs Jan 13 00:23:27 Outstanding. Jan 13 00:23:52 oc80z: can you get the phone into recovery mode? Jan 13 00:24:19 (connected to a machine that can do novacom, and which has a copy of the doctor (but don't run the doctor) and tools to unpack the doctor Jan 13 00:24:21 This card is cheap as dirt, plain sata2, 8 ports, and solid in linux. need pci-x slot. Jan 13 00:24:23 http://www.supermicro.com/products/accessories/addon/AOC-SAT2-MV8.cfm Jan 13 00:25:00 oc80z: I'm really interested in finding out what the wipe does Jan 13 00:25:04 bialw Jan 13 00:25:19 * rwhitby notes PalmCast in 35 mins Jan 13 00:25:23 rwhitby: I am gonna start a free 'recover my pre' service... mail it to me, I will restore it to factory... you pay return shipping,lol Jan 13 00:25:54 cryptk-ppre: and you profit from the bank account details you collect? Jan 13 00:25:59 * cryptk-ppre thanks rwhitby for the heads up... syn syn syn syn syn syn syn syn syn Jan 13 00:26:02 no Jan 13 00:26:19 they send a return shipping label with the pre Jan 13 00:26:31 cryptk-ppre: so what's the monetisation plan? Jan 13 00:26:53 advertising space on my website? I dunno Jan 13 00:27:00 cryptk-ppre: lol Jan 13 00:27:07 maybe I will charge 5 bucks or somethin, lol Jan 13 00:27:13 * oc80z on the phone, Jan 13 00:27:14 cryptk-ppre: that'd work Jan 13 00:27:15 3. ???? 4. Profit! Jan 13 00:27:55 new recovery instructions... 1. doctor... r Jan 13 00:28:00 2. last resort Jan 13 00:28:16 3. mail it to cryptk with a 5 spot in the box Jan 13 00:28:35 by the way has anyone ever had to use last resort for real? Jan 13 00:28:38 bring it over with beer if you are in san antonio, lol Jan 13 00:28:44 oc80z: ping me when you're ready to start with bootie mem Jan 13 00:28:46 I wrote it up a while back but haven't really seen it used Jan 13 00:28:58 ali1: well i see the glas texture xD. woo baby steps Jan 13 00:28:59 destinal: yes, we used it the other day Jan 13 00:29:08 will do rw Jan 13 00:29:11 rwhitby: how did it work? Jan 13 00:29:16 I have never seen it successfully used... if I had a spare pre I would do it and make a youtube vid Jan 13 00:29:20 destinal: if proved that it was a hardware fault, not a meta-doctor problem Jan 13 00:29:24 should I do a full erase + backup + doctor so palm profile does not restore anything? Jan 13 00:29:27 s/if/it/ Jan 13 00:29:27 rwhitby meant: destinal: it proved that it was a hardware fault, not a meta-doctor problem Jan 13 00:29:28 rwhitby: cool, that's good then Jan 13 00:29:34 anyone wanna volunteer their extra pre Jan 13 00:29:53 destinal: didn't work from inside virtualbox, unfortunately Jan 13 00:30:08 yeah I imagine it's fairly sensitive to USB timings Jan 13 00:30:39 rwhitby: didn't you get a second pre today? Jan 13 00:30:52 cryptk-ppre: now, I have 3 already. egaudet got a second today Jan 13 00:31:15 egaudet: you bought a second one? Jan 13 00:31:26 he had to, for aupt testing Jan 13 00:31:30 ah Jan 13 00:32:00 ahh, anyone wanna volunteer one for testing/youtube bid of last resort? Jan 13 00:32:08 rwhitby: how much did your precentral donated pre cost again? Jan 13 00:32:24 brb, moving to desktop Jan 13 00:32:53 destinal: EU500 Jan 13 00:33:03 yea I was tired of doctoring my one and only phone, so I jumped on that $100 offer Jan 13 00:33:07 ali1: it's aliiiivveeee! :D Jan 13 00:33:13 egaudet: that was legit? Jan 13 00:33:19 yea Jan 13 00:33:21 egaudet: is that guy still around? Jan 13 00:33:38 haven't seen him Jan 13 00:33:41 actually maybe I haven't had a sprint contract long enough Jan 13 00:33:41 back Jan 13 00:33:50 I think he said you needed to have had it for a year Jan 13 00:34:03 I bought my pre maybe 3-4 months ago? Jan 13 00:34:10 hmm. Jan 13 00:34:12 so my contract was pretty new, although it does get extended Jan 13 00:34:22 s/does/did/ s/extended/renewed/ Jan 13 00:34:24 egaudet: oh, restarts at two years now or? Jan 13 00:34:27 yea Jan 13 00:34:29 ali1: that demo is amazing. so you're working on gltest then? Jan 13 00:34:48 ali1: get a client that pings you properly :):) Jan 13 00:34:57 egaudet: oh well, hopefully he comes back, I wish I would have jumped on that Jan 13 00:34:59 ok :O Jan 13 00:35:04 hrm... since I get a new phone every year (sprint platinum or whatever it is called)... if someone pays for me to get a new pre once I have had this one for a year... I will send them my old one for a test phone Jan 13 00:35:05 lol Jan 13 00:35:25 but yeah thats awesome its working now Jan 13 00:35:47 yea I was skeptical at first but just giving my phone number couldn't hurt I figured. Jan 13 00:35:52 after i fix the attributes thing i wanna try to put in the glShadeMode function in Jan 13 00:36:22 what is the name of that sprint preferred customer thing anyway, I can't remember... I am one though... whatever it is called Jan 13 00:36:38 ali1: wonderful. is there anything else you wanna try/test/fix? :). Jan 13 00:37:10 "WebOS Internals: It's just a Linux box with a touchscreen" Jan 13 00:37:18 not yet but i haven;t been exploring much of anything else than the vertex attrib thing Jan 13 00:38:00 ali1: alright. well now that it's /running/ i can try to help if you wanna delegate some things. i think i'll try integrating with some more examples first. :D Jan 13 00:38:09 rwhitby: "WebOS Internals: go deep" Jan 13 00:38:21 heh, too vague Jan 13 00:38:39 rwhitby, "WebOS Internals: cause it is more fun than Ubuntu" Jan 13 00:38:42 dtzWill: alright! Jan 13 00:39:19 "WebOS Internals: Do More" Jan 13 00:39:55 "WebOS Internals: Yea we agree the pixi is weak" Jan 13 00:40:10 yeah, I should get another Pre for dev stuff. As they say: "You should not conduct tests while valuable monkeys are connected. Always mount a scratch monkey." Jan 13 00:40:36 "WebOS Internals: We knew that button was useless from the start" Jan 13 00:41:01 Templarian: so, we need a Tux with a plug that fits into the Palm SDK socket Jan 13 00:41:25 destinal, if you can reming me of the name of the preferred aprint customer thing I can check and see when I am due for an upgrade... may be able to get you a pre for cheap sometime soon Jan 13 00:41:25 okay i got a real irc client now Jan 13 00:41:27 What does hte Palm SDK socket look like? Jan 13 00:41:33 the* Jan 13 00:41:34 s/aprint/sprint/ Jan 13 00:41:34 cryptk meant: destinal, if you can reming me of the name of the preferred sprint customer thing I can check and see when I am due for an upgrade... may be able to get you a pre for cheap sometime soon Jan 13 00:42:00 Templarian: sorry, Palm PDK socke Jan 13 00:42:19 oh yea that makes more sense. Jan 13 00:42:37 cryptk: Sprint Premier ? Jan 13 00:42:51 lol, hmm, you want a small 16x16 ice icon also? Jan 13 00:43:21 useless except maybe for subconscious marketing. that little round button down near the bottom on front sorta makes me think of a, uh, button. Jan 13 00:43:35 Templarian: http://developer.palm.com/images/palm/sdk_plugin_sm.png Jan 13 00:44:00 Yea. I'll make it look cute. :) Jan 13 00:44:10 Templarian: maybe the Tux with that socket, I dunno. You're the expert :-) Jan 13 00:44:13 Mostly because the plug will be the size of his head. Jan 13 00:44:24 or socket Jan 13 00:44:30 no plug is correct. Jan 13 00:44:45 anyone know how to erase everything on palm profile or to bypass it? Jan 13 00:44:47 well, we're creating an alternative socket at the moment Jan 13 00:45:15 sryan: enter a bogus email and account when starting back up Jan 13 00:45:24 destinal that was it... I get a new phone every year Jan 13 00:45:38 rwhitby: is the repo organized since I'm sure there will be some nice standalone plugins beind developed. Jan 13 00:45:57 being* Jan 13 00:46:16 Templarian: http://bit.ly/webos-internals-pdk Jan 13 00:47:21 How large does this icon need to be? Jan 13 00:47:58 rwhitby hey now Jan 13 00:48:13 Templarian: normal Preware icon Jan 13 00:48:21 AH HA@! Jan 13 00:48:36 "WebOS-Internals: It's just a Linux box with a touchscreen" Jan 13 00:48:40 rwhitby: sounds good. :) Jan 13 00:49:40 "Linux with a touch of web" Jan 13 00:49:43 oc80z: ok, can you unpack the doctor to get the initramfs? Jan 13 00:49:55 cant get it to work still I'm just not experenced enough to do it. :P Jan 13 00:50:01 heh - Dieter Rant on PalmCast :-) Jan 13 00:50:08 rwhitby: Sprint could not refund the $100 Asurian Insurance billed me..but Sprint did refund me $10/month ($120/year) off my bill. Jan 13 00:50:17 $20 palm pre. Jan 13 00:50:21 ;] Jan 13 00:50:22 <3 Jan 13 00:50:29 ill work on that Jan 13 00:50:59 i need a procedure guide Jan 13 00:51:16 i am @ wiki/Research_Pre_Boot_Process Jan 13 00:51:31 oc80z: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=tools/meta-doctor.git;a=blob;f=scripts/unpack-doctor Jan 13 00:51:39 thanks. Jan 13 00:52:00 i forgot to tell you Jan 13 00:52:08 i am stuck in the intramfs Jan 13 00:52:14 phone is not booting the kernel.. Jan 13 00:52:20 hence, no novacom. Jan 13 00:52:32 did you bootie mem? Jan 13 00:52:43 ohh Jan 13 00:52:57 WebOS-Internals: Read, bleed, or cede. Jan 13 00:53:36 1 sec 1 sec Jan 13 00:53:38 cryptk: yeah, let me know if you do end up getting a replacement and what you'd be willing to sell that one for Jan 13 00:53:42 oc80z: just novacom boot mem:// and feed it the uImage from the doctor Jan 13 00:53:53 oc80z: (from recovery mode) Jan 13 00:54:09 that should get you into the installer initramfs, waiting for a novacom connection Jan 13 00:54:11 rwhitby: wait, why is bootie recovery mode not working with doctor? Jan 13 00:54:24 vol-up+power Jan 13 00:54:25 destinal: pardon Jan 13 00:54:29 destinal, all depends on what the cost of the new top-o-line WebOS phone on sprint is at the time that I get my upgrade Jan 13 00:54:37 and if I can afford it or not Jan 13 00:54:55 if I can afford the upgrade, I would probably sell the Pre for like $50 or so Jan 13 00:55:15 it would definitely go to someone here at WebOS Internals Jan 13 00:55:16 cryptk: cool, just let me know at that time if you do Jan 13 00:55:37 hey... "WebOS Internals: we will buy your old Pre's... as long as they are cheap" Jan 13 00:55:44 "My OS is more open than yours", now thats pretty nerd Jan 13 00:55:45 :) Jan 13 00:56:21 oc80z: can't you just boot recovery and run doctor? Jan 13 00:56:21 "WebOs Internals: because we can facePALM with our phone still in our hands" Jan 13 00:56:37 destinal: we don't want to erase the flash Jan 13 00:56:43 destinal: we want to see what is left after a remote wipe Jan 13 00:57:34 rwhitby: ah Jan 13 00:57:48 dieter is really having a sprint rant :-) Jan 13 00:58:10 rwhitby: too bad geist didn't leave slave / disk mode in bootie Jan 13 00:58:10 :( Jan 13 00:58:18 the one with the big OBEY picture Jan 13 00:58:24 Trac is still broken. Jan 13 00:59:14 rwhitby: so yeah, you want a kernel with a ramfs that will have usbnet and nfs root ideally but that may be a bit of work ;) Jan 13 01:00:21 destinal: we're just going to boot into the installer initramfs, and then tar | netcat Jan 13 01:00:22 WebOS-Internals: my phone can run your phone in a window Jan 13 01:00:47 dumb dumb deedum Jan 13 01:00:49 this is nice Jan 13 01:00:50 rwhitby: ah, right, the installer has a perfectly good one Jan 13 01:01:03 oc80z: got it? Jan 13 01:01:07 ] battery status Jan 13 01:01:12 battery present Jan 13 01:01:13 voltage: 3762480 Jan 13 01:01:18 percentage: 21 Jan 13 01:01:21 current: 87656 Jan 13 01:01:21 capacity: 212800 Jan 13 01:01:22 ooh Jan 13 01:01:22 yeah Jan 13 01:01:28 lets ah.. Jan 13 01:01:32 boot :/ Jan 13 01:01:45 hehe I'd like to see the iphone play need for speed, quake and be able to talk on the phone. :D the pre is just amazing! Jan 13 01:02:12 Toaster89: the iphone 3gs has a cortex-a8 also, we can't brag TOO much about the system-on-chip we have Jan 13 01:02:27 http://chatroll.com/palmcast-live/embed Jan 13 01:02:31 I was more bragging about the multitasking lol Jan 13 01:02:31 the iphone plays need for speed right? Jan 13 01:02:37 ahah Jan 13 01:02:42 this is true Toaster89 Jan 13 01:02:45 not while your on a phone call I think not sure? Jan 13 01:02:57 you could be bluetoothed. Jan 13 01:04:03 http://bit.ly/8DuAPk Jan 13 01:04:03 thats mine, $20 ebay. Jan 13 01:04:24 no thanks Jan 13 01:05:04 oc80z: so, you're into the initramfs shelll? Jan 13 01:09:09 rwhitby: get #palmcast to mention the WebOS-Patches Web Portal. :) Jan 13 01:09:28 oc80z: lol that dealmania page says "buletooth" Jan 13 01:10:34 oc80z: is it good quality? Jan 13 01:11:41 rwhitby: does the installer ramfs give you novacom and you just novacom open the command? Jan 13 01:12:52 this sucks, I have no headphones Jan 13 01:13:11 anyone using ez-ipupdate from Preware? Jan 13 01:13:12 * oc80z back Jan 13 01:13:26 yeah rwhitby im in initram Jan 13 01:13:27 destinal: just novaterm in Jan 13 01:13:35 rwhitby: err, right, novaterm Jan 13 01:13:38 duh Jan 13 01:13:42 oc80z: ok, so you need to start LVM and mount the partitions Jan 13 01:13:42 * destinal facepalms Jan 13 01:13:59 ok ok lemmie get there Jan 13 01:14:10 my replacement phone has arrived with an extra charger! Jan 13 01:14:16 whats it ram0 Jan 13 01:14:22 hrm its ro Jan 13 01:14:24 rwhitby: has anyone documented this? if not I'll follow along with you guys and write it up Jan 13 01:14:25 looks ok the env, Jan 13 01:14:34 destinal: not that I know of Jan 13 01:14:34 but i am assuming its not ok Jan 13 01:14:57 since it would fail on boot.. Jan 13 01:15:10 loading file '/boot/uImage' to address 0x81000000 Jan 13 01:15:15 Anyone have a clue where LED control would be in the Pixi? Jan 13 01:15:15 parse_uimage:229: uimage 0x81000000 Jan 13 01:15:15 guessing this is where it hangs. Jan 13 01:15:22 i2c-adapter is far different than the pre. Jan 13 01:15:29 Cannot find torch or avin. Jan 13 01:15:34 oc80z: what are you doing there? Jan 13 01:15:49 ah Jan 13 01:15:58 Got it, http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4033/4270531228_88c39a31cd_o.jpg Jan 13 01:17:09 dunno Jan 13 01:17:12 need a boot image Jan 13 01:17:27 since the reset changed it Jan 13 01:19:18 xcomp: if you want to stop getting efl libs i can help out on it but not till this weekend Jan 13 01:19:32 oc80z: novacom boot mem:// < image from webos doctor Jan 13 01:20:50 yea Jan 13 01:21:34 Yikes Jan 13 01:22:12 i was doing boot mem Jan 13 01:22:33 ohh i have to do that Jan 13 01:22:35 *sigh* Jan 13 01:22:46 u see how in and out i am.. Jan 13 01:22:56 phone, ppl, blah around me. Jan 13 01:23:04 yeah, no worries Jan 13 01:23:07 Note to self: restart. Restart restart restart. Jan 13 01:23:10 sorry mate, Jan 13 01:23:18 cheers in a bit. Jan 13 01:25:56 rwhitby: cool, I got a shell on mine :) Jan 13 01:26:18 is there any webOS app that will let me stream videos/music from my desktop to my pre? Jan 13 01:26:20 ./unpack-doctor webosdoctorp100ewwsprint-1.3.5.jar; cd webosdoctorp100ewwsprint-1.3.5/webOS; novacom boot mem:// < nova-installer-image-castle.uImage; sleep 15; sudo novaterm Jan 13 01:27:11 ali1: were you able to get a gears demo going? (other than whatever ambitious project caused the 8attribute limit? :)) Jan 13 01:27:14 Toaster89: sort of. check out Orb (http://www.orb.com/). It's not fantastic quality and it's through your web browser, but if enough interest is shown they might make a WebOS client. Jan 13 01:27:20 Toaster89: ampache for music Jan 13 01:27:35 dtzWill: gears demo? Jan 13 01:27:43 but ird is right; ampache for music is amazing. Jan 13 01:27:53 rwhitby: mount /dev/mmcblk0p2 /mnt/cf Jan 13 01:28:05 anything for videos? Jan 13 01:28:06 I prefer "Ampache Mobile" as the phone app Jan 13 01:28:12 Toaster89: Orb does video Jan 13 01:28:33 but as I said, it's not of epic quality. Jan 13 01:28:34 ali1: you know glgears, etc. classic opengl proof of concept. here i can check it in; i just modified it away from display lists. afaict it sohuld work (tested it on my machine's opengl). Jan 13 01:28:40 and you can't switch cards Jan 13 01:28:44 destinal: we need to start LVM, no? Jan 13 01:29:00 rwhitby: yes, you're right Jan 13 01:29:21 heh, i wonder if Orb will upgrade to streaming via flash once that lands on more mobile platforms.... that'd be interesting. Jan 13 01:29:36 Toaster89 yeah its possible, soon. Jan 13 01:29:37 dtzWill: oh okay cool Jan 13 01:29:40 rwhitby: there's a lvm.static Jan 13 01:29:45 yeah i haven't touched that Jan 13 01:29:46 destinal: yep Jan 13 01:29:48 I just have no idea anything about lvm Jan 13 01:29:52 hmm k Jan 13 01:30:21 but nothing as of it right now? Jan 13 01:30:24 destinal, oc80z: lvm.static vgscan --ignorelockingfailure Jan 13 01:30:35 destinal, oc80z: lvm.static vgchange -ay --ignorelockingfailure Jan 13 01:30:36 is destinal doing the same as me? Jan 13 01:30:41 oc80z: yep Jan 13 01:30:42 root@palm-webos-device:/# lvm.static vgscan --ignorelockingfailure Jan 13 01:30:42 Reading all physical volumes. This may take a while... Jan 13 01:30:42 Found volume group "store" using metadata type lvm2 Jan 13 01:30:49 [17:27] Toaster89: sort of. check out Orb (http://www.orb.com/). It's not fantastic quality and it's through your web browser, but if enough interest is shown they might make a WebOS client. Jan 13 01:31:15 destinal: then mount partitions from /dev/mapper/.... Jan 13 01:31:16 rwhitby: I know you're busy with the PCL, but have you had a chance to look at the apache error_log on git.webos-internals.org? Jan 13 01:31:33 yeah since there is no WebOS client I cant use it though Jan 13 01:31:39 sure you can Jan 13 01:31:50 it goes through your browser Jan 13 01:31:50 mount /dev/mapper/store-root /media/cf/ Jan 13 01:31:52 yup, got it Jan 13 01:32:08 flare using flash probably? Jan 13 01:32:12 ... Jan 13 01:32:14 No. Jan 13 01:32:18 oc80z: you there, based on those commands? Jan 13 01:32:21 negative Jan 13 01:32:32 in intram.. Jan 13 01:32:50 What about tux wearing a shirt that says "up up down down left right left right b a start" Jan 13 01:33:04 holding a pre of course Jan 13 01:33:05 i've used orb. I wanted it primarily for music, so I switched to Ampache. If you want video primarily, but don't mind bad quality, your choice is orb through your browser. If you want high quality, you're currently out of luck as far as I'm aware Jan 13 01:33:08 cashen: too obscure, really. Jan 13 01:33:11 need to boot Jan 13 01:33:18 damn Jan 13 01:33:25 cashen: or "webos20090606" Jan 13 01:33:29 T bootargs-ramdisk = root=/dev/ram0 ramdisk=32768 ro Jan 13 01:33:32 T bootargs = root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootwait ro Jan 13 01:33:36 oc80z: did you get the initramfs out of the doctor, and boot that? Jan 13 01:33:50 oc80z: from recovery mode? Jan 13 01:33:58 rwhitby: for STORE in log media root swap update var; do mkdir /mnt/$STORE; mount /dev/mapper/$STORE /mnt/$STORE; done Jan 13 01:34:06 im confused when you say doctor Jan 13 01:34:15 rwhitby: now I have /mnt/root and /mnt/var etc Jan 13 01:34:21 i havnt used the palm webos doctor yet. Jan 13 01:34:48 oc80z: no Jan 13 01:34:48 i have it running.. Jan 13 01:34:53 oc80z: unpack the doctor. Jan 13 01:34:54 Toaster89: here's a good place to start for configuration once you get everything installed if you decide to try it out: http://forums.orb.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=21503&p=59641&hilit=webos#p59641 Jan 13 01:34:57 get the nova-installer-image-castle.uImage file Jan 13 01:35:05 novacom boot mem:// < nova-installer-image-castle.uImage Jan 13 01:35:26 *sigh* im have novaproxy python and putty Jan 13 01:35:28 oc80z: do *not* run the doctor Jan 13 01:35:38 im not on that workstation. Jan 13 01:35:38 i understand. Jan 13 01:35:50 i dont have the uImage file.. Jan 13 01:35:59 *sigh* Jan 13 01:36:09 oc80z: it's in webOS.tar in the doctor (which is just a .zip) Jan 13 01:36:25 oc80z: do you have linux? Jan 13 01:36:27 oc80z: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=tools/meta-doctor.git;a=blob;f=scripts/unpack-doctor Jan 13 01:36:33 ./unpack-doctor webosdoctorp100ewwsprint-1.3.5.jar; cd webosdoctorp100ewwsprint-1.3.5/webOS; novacom boot mem:// < nova-installer-image-castle.uImage; sleep 15; sudo novaterm Jan 13 01:36:47 ok. Jan 13 01:37:16 let me get it to the VM.. :/ Jan 13 01:37:25 oh yeah Jan 13 01:37:32 nothing is on there... Jan 13 01:37:57 cept backtrack & some other bad shit Jan 13 01:38:07 i have linux Jan 13 01:38:22 let me get that junk Jan 13 01:38:22 ARGK Jan 13 01:38:44 rwhitby: I now have a spare phone until I send it back, anything that needs testing? Jan 13 01:38:46 ali1: fwiw it's pushed, but doesn't work. err it /should/ work but doesn't yet. just another data point Jan 13 01:38:47 so annoyed right now.. Jan 13 01:40:15 wheres that damn shit Jan 13 01:40:49 lvm.static vgscan --ignorelockingfailure; for VOL in root var media; do mkdir -p /mnt/$VOL; mount /dev/mapper/store-$VOL /mnt/$VOL; done Jan 13 01:40:56 heh Jan 13 01:40:57 (for later) Jan 13 01:41:38 this aint happeneing Jan 13 01:41:39 and i need my shit for tomorrow Jan 13 01:41:40 does the 3g radio use more energy than the SoC? I get more battery life playing doom than I do streaming radio... Jan 13 01:41:59 oc80z: you don't have to use linux, you could use windows Jan 13 01:42:09 or anything that has sdk on it Jan 13 01:42:18 (well novacom package really) Jan 13 01:42:42 i think i installed it here Jan 13 01:42:59 holy shit i did. Jan 13 01:43:01 rwhitby: once again I love novacom :) Jan 13 01:43:32 ,....was like, i have to do the novacom usb in linux, OVER vmware.. on backtrack? oh,,. great. Jan 13 01:43:49 oc80z: nah, if windows is what it's directly connected to use that Jan 13 01:44:07 this should be really easy Jan 13 01:44:53 rwhitby: I'm navigating through my filesystems, I feel a lot better about my data even in the event of some kind of catastrophic os failure Jan 13 01:45:03 though I don't keep anything important on the pre anyway Jan 13 01:45:15 we arent looking at webosdoctorp100ewwsprint.jnlp are we? Jan 13 01:45:22 via WebOS Doctor download page? Jan 13 01:45:22 or we looking at the entire Image Jan 13 01:45:24 I can't listen you those guys anymore Jan 13 01:45:25 oc80z: no, you need the doctor jar Jan 13 01:45:30 oc80z: unzip the .jar file Jan 13 01:45:32 blah Jan 13 01:45:47 i instlaled the sdk here. Jan 13 01:46:07 i got it Jan 13 01:46:08 ill dl it Jan 13 01:46:57 3MB/sec Jan 13 01:47:05 *shrug* thanks u 2 Jan 13 01:47:06 dtzWill: it might not work if you're using GL_TEXTURE3 i think Jan 13 01:47:15 rwhitby: we could do this from totally bare metal, usb boot bootie, novacom boot the kernel, novaterm to a shell Jan 13 01:48:12 dtzWill: gears works? Jan 13 01:48:28 sup with this script now Jan 13 01:48:37 oc80z: are you on windows? Jan 13 01:48:56 *sigh* yeah Jan 13 01:49:00 oc80z: just use some kind of archiver and extract the doctor jar, rename it to a zip first if you have to Jan 13 01:49:05 it's just a zip file Jan 13 01:49:10 i kno i kno Jan 13 01:49:22 k then extract webos.tar in the resulting directory Jan 13 01:49:33 throw it in.. Jan 13 01:49:38 /rootfs Jan 13 01:49:45 right? Jan 13 01:49:54 nah Jan 13 01:49:56 doesn't matter Jan 13 01:49:56 boot that mem:// it'll look there.. Jan 13 01:50:00 hrm Jan 13 01:50:04 just go doc/resources Jan 13 01:50:08 extract webos.tar Jan 13 01:50:13 zsoc|sad: it does not. sorry. Jan 13 01:50:27 dtzWill: oh :/ well, closer.. Jan 13 01:51:09 soorry for the lame time its takin me Jan 13 01:51:22 oc80z: then you need nova-installer-image-castle.uImage Jan 13 01:51:33 which is in the webos.tar Jan 13 01:51:33 afk 1 sec, im at work Jan 13 01:51:33 its grr. Jan 13 01:51:48 oc80z: no worries take however much time it takes, not rushing :) Jan 13 01:52:24 oc80z: do you have the windows novaterm? Jan 13 01:52:49 http://tkgeisel.com/stuff/novaterm-1.zip Jan 13 01:53:35 we don't need it yet but will later (after we nova boot the pre) Jan 13 01:55:14 sup Jan 13 01:55:31 yeah i have the SDK Jan 13 01:55:40 and the nova-install....uImage Jan 13 01:55:43 well the novaterm for windows doesn't come with sdk Jan 13 01:55:50 it has novacom but no novaterm Jan 13 01:55:58 bah Jan 13 01:56:04 so grab the zip from above link Jan 13 01:56:13 thank you Jan 13 01:56:47 so within Jan 13 01:56:50 webos/ Jan 13 01:56:58 cool, you have the uImage Jan 13 01:56:59 novacom boot mem:// < nova-installer-image-castle.uImage; sleep 15; sudo novaterm Jan 13 01:56:59 sleem eek Jan 13 01:57:01 im not linux Jan 13 01:57:04 well never mind the rest Jan 13 01:57:15 only Jan 13 01:57:16 novacom boot mem:// < nova-installer-image-castle.uImage Jan 13 01:57:47 it'll take a minute but USB logo should change to palm logo Jan 13 01:57:53 a solid palm logo Jan 13 01:58:21 done. Jan 13 01:58:38 ok now get your novaterm, you apparently want to put it in your sdk directory Jan 13 01:58:51 palm/sdk/bin Jan 13 01:58:57 or novacom open tty:/// Jan 13 01:59:00 oops Jan 13 01:59:01 or novacom open tty:// Jan 13 01:59:13 sure but you can't copy paste so I'd avoid that Jan 13 01:59:21 well you can't copy paste easily Jan 13 02:00:29 destinal: agreed Jan 13 02:00:42 yeah i had a .bat for novacom open tty:// Jan 13 02:00:44 destinal: all I'm looking for is if the ext3 is still there or not Jan 13 02:00:45 i remember that, heh Jan 13 02:00:55 rwhitby: ah Jan 13 02:01:02 i have the proxy too Jan 13 02:01:15 should i just go putty + novaproxy? Jan 13 02:01:24 sure Jan 13 02:01:37 novacom -t open tty:// Jan 13 02:01:39 does the qualcomm rfr6500 chip in the pre have a gpu like the ti omap3430? Jan 13 02:01:49 different one Jan 13 02:02:03 oc80z: basically any method you've used to get root will work here Jan 13 02:02:10 if it uses novacom Jan 13 02:02:31 *sigh* yeah Jan 13 02:03:33 root@palm-webos-device:/# Jan 13 02:03:47 when u dont have hte files, u cant catch up Jan 13 02:03:49 lets get this done eh Jan 13 02:03:52 destinal, oc80z: lvm.static vgscan --ignorelockingfailure Jan 13 02:03:58 destinal, oc80z: lvm.static vgchange -ay --ignorelockingfailure Jan 13 02:04:40 bewm. Jan 13 02:04:58 now active.. Jan 13 02:05:14 6 logical volume(s) in volume group "store" now active Jan 13 02:05:29 df -h still posting default mounts.. Jan 13 02:05:36 mount from /dev/mapper/* Jan 13 02:05:39 for VOL in root var media; do mkdir -p /mnt/$VOL; mount /dev/mapper/store-$VOL /mnt/$VOL; done Jan 13 02:05:49 yeah, that/ Jan 13 02:06:50 If I update a script in /etc/event.d/ , do I have to restart the entire phone to have it take effect, or just Luna or Java? Jan 13 02:07:13 flare576 initctl Jan 13 02:07:26 ah hey Jan 13 02:07:48 lvchange lvdisplay lvmchange lvmsadc lvremove lvs Jan 13 02:07:52 oc80z: mount Jan 13 02:07:52 lvconvert lvextend lvmdiskscan lvmsar lvrename lvscan Jan 13 02:07:56 did it mount them up? Jan 13 02:07:57 lvcreate lvm lvmdump lvreduce lvresize Jan 13 02:07:57 heh Jan 13 02:08:07 control store-media store-swap store-var Jan 13 02:08:15 store-log store-root store-update Jan 13 02:08:15 ah those? Jan 13 02:08:15 ok Jan 13 02:08:33 oc80z: you want to run that for loop I posted Jan 13 02:08:38 dtzWill: i'm not sure how to reimplement glFogCoordPointer function if I'm gonna make it a part of a vec4 Jan 13 02:08:38 the whole line Jan 13 02:09:08 other than making it require that the fog coords are right after the normal coords in whatever array they're passing Jan 13 02:11:06 oc80z: still with us? Jan 13 02:11:41 so ah Jan 13 02:12:26 oc80z: the suspense is killing me :) Jan 13 02:12:31 media .. Jan 13 02:12:33 oc80z: if the mounted dirs are empty, the wipe worked. if not, then your data may still be there Jan 13 02:12:42 is gone. Jan 13 02:12:48 :( Jan 13 02:13:05 however. Jan 13 02:13:09 oc80z: mount shows it mounted on /mnt/media but /mnt/media is empty? Jan 13 02:13:09 destinal: no, that's good. Jan 13 02:13:26 destinal: oc80z did a remote wipe Jan 13 02:13:26 root@palm-webos-device:/mnt# cat media/.palm/.cryptofs Jan 13 02:13:26 [CryptoFS] Jan 13 02:13:28 rwhitby: oh ok Jan 13 02:13:28 cipher=BLOWFISH Jan 13 02:13:31 md=MD5 Jan 13 02:13:31 blocksize=4096 Jan 13 02:13:31 salts=1 Jan 13 02:13:39 ali1: hmmmmm. can you push whatever test case you're having that's hitting this? I have an idea but wanna try it. Jan 13 02:13:46 but hey Jan 13 02:13:48 oc80z: ah, do a df -k Jan 13 02:13:56 oc80z: and directories under ./palm ? Jan 13 02:14:08 store-media 6.7G 96.0k 6.7G 0% /mnt/media Jan 13 02:14:19 dtzWill: one sec Jan 13 02:14:27 oc80z: ok, it's clean then Jan 13 02:14:56 ali1: well its not using glFogCoordPointer or anything fancy like that Jan 13 02:15:02 root@palm-webos-device:/mnt/root/home/httpd# Jan 13 02:15:17 rwhitby: http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/6956/sdkpluginsm.png (still have to move his eyes aroundand and tons of small tweaks, but general idea). Jan 13 02:15:18 echo "

Please install bash

" Jan 13 02:15:23 the problem is with the entire system as the guy put down MultiTex4 in index 8 for attributes Jan 13 02:15:27 echo "

I recomend to install bash because this cgi script will" Jan 13 02:15:37 echo "run more than two times faster with bash

" Jan 13 02:15:43 heh Jan 13 02:15:48 THANKS pplz. Jan 13 02:15:48 :D Jan 13 02:16:10 oc80z: ah, did you get what you were looking for then? Jan 13 02:16:36 whats weird rw.. Jan 13 02:16:46 is the .palm file in /mnt/media/.palm Jan 13 02:16:47 Templarian: what is that for? Jan 13 02:17:02 PuffTheMagic: something rwhitby has me working on. Jan 13 02:17:03 destinal nothing taht was evil was found :>) Jan 13 02:17:03 er... >:) Jan 13 02:17:06 u can see ive had along day at work ;/ Jan 13 02:17:07 oc80z: it means the cryptofs was probably recreated Jan 13 02:17:22 which is the .palm dir Jan 13 02:17:49 oc80z: if you had anything in root's home dir it will be in /var/home/root Jan 13 02:17:54 err /mnt/var/home/root Jan 13 02:18:09 check to see if var is still there? Jan 13 02:19:28 yeah, it's important to know if only /media/internal is wiped or if /home/root/.ssh/... is also wiped Jan 13 02:19:53 ali1: i think that we should be able to keep our own normal+fog structure, when they call either we copy them into the right spots, and call attribpointer there (the attrib pointer will be the same for both since same data). Jan 13 02:20:13 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 Nov 9 2009 root -> /var/home/root Jan 13 02:20:29 oc80z: but it's /mnt/var/home/root currently Jan 13 02:20:29 mnt var wont wont i think.. Jan 13 02:20:33 ali1: hmm an example that this fails on would be useful. how does this guy write this without any kinda tests? then again no svn commit logs or comments haha. o_O. Jan 13 02:20:38 rwhitby: is that the direction you were thinking or something else? Jan 13 02:20:43 oc80z: the symlink is wrong in this case Jan 13 02:20:55 Templarian: what's the cable represent? Jan 13 02:21:08 mount: mounting store-var on /mnt/var/ failed: Invalid argument Jan 13 02:21:16 ali1: too bad he probably won't be interested in the patch if this works; he targets pandora and presumably it allows for more attributes Jan 13 02:21:22 dtzWill: maybe he will shed some light but i think he just over looked it Jan 13 02:21:30 how can i mount var eh? Jan 13 02:21:30 i doubt that it does Jan 13 02:22:05 rwhitby: trying to show the internals thing, was the only way i could think. Jan 13 02:22:14 of Jan 13 02:22:28 Templarian: I like it Jan 13 02:22:40 what Jan 13 02:22:47 http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/6956/sdkpluginsm.png Jan 13 02:22:51 whats all the encryption stuf here Jan 13 02:22:59 these static bins Jan 13 02:23:06 the libcrypt.so's Jan 13 02:23:14 used by openssl Jan 13 02:23:17 nice Jan 13 02:23:21 big libs Jan 13 02:23:21 when? Jan 13 02:23:37 oc80z: app cat cert checking for one thing Jan 13 02:23:37 sure, for palm.com:/profile Jan 13 02:23:37 no? Jan 13 02:23:38 ofc right. Jan 13 02:23:44 solid Jan 13 02:23:52 oc80z: let's see how thoroughly they wiped /var Jan 13 02:23:58 lets mount /var :/ Jan 13 02:24:10 oc80z: it was in the for loop I sent Jan 13 02:24:15 mount -t ext2 /dev/mapper/store-var /mnt/var Jan 13 02:24:16 if it failed to mount it may not be a valid fs Jan 13 02:24:40 Google's catalog had a malicious app uploaded and passed by android staff, stole bank info Jan 13 02:24:41 ali1: my proposed fix sounds like it would work? see anything wrong with it? else i'll go make it happen. Jan 13 02:24:41 thanks Jan 13 02:24:41 what is mount defaulting to mount? Jan 13 02:24:43 mine mounted fine, for reference Jan 13 02:24:47 Okay, I'll try and get all the colours right and link it again later. Jan 13 02:24:52 destinal: you had an /etc/fstab Jan 13 02:25:01 rwhitby: not for these Jan 13 02:25:07 destinal: oh, right Jan 13 02:25:07 not i Jan 13 02:25:29 rwhitby: I suspec it damaged his /var on purpose Jan 13 02:25:31 s/suspec/suspect/ Jan 13 02:25:34 destinal meant: rwhitby: I suspect it damaged his /var on purpose Jan 13 02:25:35 oc80z: yeah, I pasted that android link in here Jan 13 02:25:35 did someone break their pre Jan 13 02:25:46 sampson: examining the result of remote wipe Jan 13 02:25:55 break cant break Jan 13 02:25:58 oc80z: did you try that mount -t ext2 /dev/mapper/store-var /mnt/var Jan 13 02:26:05 how did the phone get remote wiped? Jan 13 02:26:05 er, WebOS cant break. Jan 13 02:26:10 stop stealing phones :P Jan 13 02:26:12 palm.com :P Jan 13 02:26:22 yes destinal Jan 13 02:26:22 why did they do that? Jan 13 02:26:27 oc80z: what error? Jan 13 02:26:28 sampson: you can wipe your own Jan 13 02:26:30 dtzWill: one thing i'm not sure is how do you know how many elements to copy over when they call FogCoordPointer? Jan 13 02:26:32 orly Jan 13 02:26:33 invalid arguments. Jan 13 02:26:36 sampson: good thing to do if you loose it Jan 13 02:26:45 but can you doctor it back to normal then? Jan 13 02:26:49 ofc. Jan 13 02:26:52 or lose it even ;-) Jan 13 02:26:59 sampson: yes Jan 13 02:27:00 i found the guy who stole it Jan 13 02:27:00 dtzWill: do we restructure the array they would be passing in? Jan 13 02:27:01 yeah it is great Jan 13 02:27:11 rwhitby: even though it's ext3 it should mount with ext2? Jan 13 02:27:20 destinal: should do Jan 13 02:27:26 or use ext3 Jan 13 02:27:39 oc80z: mount -t ext3 /dev/mapper/store-var /mnt/var Jan 13 02:27:49 this image may not have ext2 support actually :) Jan 13 02:28:02 negative. Jan 13 02:28:17 oc80z: mount | grep var Jan 13 02:28:23 nothing? Jan 13 02:28:25 been there, nada. Jan 13 02:28:44 but Jan 13 02:28:47 lvm.statidc help Jan 13 02:28:53 what happens when you do lvm and then lvscan ? Jan 13 02:28:53 ali1: hmm. this is a bit more complicated than i thought. but yes i suppose i am suggesting we restructure it, but that is not the best. hmm. Jan 13 02:29:03 you should see /dev/store/var Jan 13 02:29:08 i'm betting it toasted the lvm Jan 13 02:29:09 sampson: done all that Jan 13 02:29:14 oc80z: try fsck.ext3 /dev/mapper/store-var Jan 13 02:29:31 sampson: we already have the other partitions mounted, now checking for /var Jan 13 02:29:37 dtzWill: and i'd think we would need to restructure it whenever glDrawArrays/Elements is called, because thats where its being read Jan 13 02:29:43 i think Jan 13 02:29:46 rwhitby: for reference this is unique to his pre, mine mounted it up fine Jan 13 02:29:55 so probably related to wipe Jan 13 02:30:09 i would be pretty surprised if it didn't toast /var Jan 13 02:31:03 nah i dont want to fsck it Jan 13 02:31:03 not yet Jan 13 02:31:14 oc80z: ? Jan 13 02:31:14 root@palm-webos-device:/dev/mapper# lvm.static help Jan 13 02:31:14 Available lvm commands: Jan 13 02:31:22 heres my lvm commands Jan 13 02:31:24 if [ -n "$WIPE" ]; then Jan 13 02:31:24 dd if=/dev/zero of=$VARDEVICE bs=65536 Jan 13 02:31:25 ali1: ah you mean the glAttribPointer calls just tell it where to fidn the data; conceivably they change it. bah. Jan 13 02:31:26 fi Jan 13 02:31:36 rwhitby: yup that would be pretty thorough lol Jan 13 02:31:41 destinal: it's all in /etc/init.d/mountall.sh Jan 13 02:31:51 dtzWill: yup yup Jan 13 02:32:21 oh rdp i fucking hate you Jan 13 02:32:21 rwhitby: though it could theoretically be recovered maybe if only wiped once with zeroes, not by anything on the device itself Jan 13 02:32:23 ali1: yeah, we just restructure it in glDraw*. for a second i thought you could call glNormalPointer multiple times with different data mkaing this lame but since you can't (or if you do it replaces the pointer) Jan 13 02:32:25 oc80z: can you confirm that it does not wipe rootfs ? Jan 13 02:32:25 i dont want ot fsck the drive yet Jan 13 02:32:36 ali1: that sounds like it would work just fine. Jan 13 02:32:45 oc80z: fsck isn't destructive necessarily Jan 13 02:32:49 oc80z: e.g. is there still stuff in /mnt/root/etc ? Jan 13 02:32:51 but besides it's dead Jan 13 02:33:16 optware-dropbear Jan 13 02:33:19 oc80z: he said rootfs still had stuff on it Jan 13 02:33:20 :| Jan 13 02:33:29 oooo evas is checked in? :D Jan 13 02:33:41 err rwhitby ^^ Jan 13 02:33:49 rod u have a min >? Jan 13 02:33:49 net.vertigostudios.ledmanager Jan 13 02:33:57 this is true Jan 13 02:34:07 destinal: ok, so we need to be real careful that no sensitive data goes outside of /var or /media/internal Jan 13 02:34:16 this is true. Jan 13 02:34:18 rwhitby: does it dd media internal or just mkfs it? Jan 13 02:34:26 destinal: dd /dev/zero to both Jan 13 02:34:26 lets continue to see Jan 13 02:34:30 rwhitby: ok Jan 13 02:34:42 rwhitby: so how could he mount /media/internal and see /media/internal.palm? Jan 13 02:34:55 what are you guys doing Jan 13 02:35:12 rwhitby: that doesn't sound like a dd dev zero Jan 13 02:35:28 store-media 6.7G 96.0k 6.7G 0% /mnt/media Jan 13 02:35:32 unless if mkfs's again after Jan 13 02:35:35 destinal: it does a mkfs after Jan 13 02:35:41 dtzWill: i pushed the testgl program anyways Jan 13 02:35:42 kk Jan 13 02:35:50 rwhitby: probably because doctor doesn't mkfs it anymore Jan 13 02:35:53 sup destinal Jan 13 02:35:54 that just has the encryption arguments.. for encrypting the /internal/media .palm folder.. Jan 13 02:35:59 it wants to leave it in a good state Jan 13 02:36:05 mobgod: what can I help you with? Jan 13 02:36:10 mobgod: hey Jan 13 02:36:27 rwhitby nada dude i want to help i have a offer Jan 13 02:36:30 thats all Jan 13 02:36:56 mobgod: /msg me baby Jan 13 02:37:04 FAT PIPE I WILL TAKE CARE OFF Jan 13 02:37:10 :) Jan 13 02:37:21 what did i walk into?! Jan 13 02:37:37 bpadalino PIPE LINE DUDE Jan 13 02:37:37 wutttt Jan 13 02:37:43 | Jan 13 02:37:56 oc80z: : well it was cool to confirm that everything on the remote wipe works as one would hope Jan 13 02:38:07 and that root fs is not wiped Jan 13 02:38:22 oc80z: thanks heaps for doing that Jan 13 02:38:37 ali1: ?? Jan 13 02:38:45 it's a fat pipe Jan 13 02:38:57 thanks to you Jan 13 02:39:00 too Jan 13 02:39:00 :) Jan 13 02:39:10 why is it on the sdk the lib's are in usr/lib where as on the pre they are in usr/local/lib? There is no usr/local/lib directory in the sdk. Jan 13 02:39:12 dtzWill: the program i was trying to work with wesgl and noticed the vertex attribute problems Jan 13 02:39:35 ali1: oh understood, sorry i thought the 'wuttttt' was at me sorry haha Jan 13 02:39:35 fat pipe line .. i have been informed Jan 13 02:39:43 * oc80z just ls -ltaR Jan 13 02:39:43 oc80z: the extra benefit of you having done this is I got to walk through it too and now I know how to build a pre totally from scratch, recover partition 1, etc Jan 13 02:39:49 hopefully a conga line comes next Jan 13 02:40:05 dtzWill: oh hah Jan 13 02:40:34 sure yeah its all about the lvm man Jan 13 02:40:43 u know, on that note.. Jan 13 02:41:17 *sigh* linux is bad ass. Jan 13 02:41:45 bpadalino: so we always knew you could go completely up from bare metal, now we know exactly how. usb boot bootie, novacom boot the installer image, novaterm to it, and lay down whatever you need Jan 13 02:42:12 oh neat ... Jan 13 02:42:35 so we know how to load up bootie from DFU mode or whatever it is ? Jan 13 02:42:46 bpadalino: no, this is omapboot Jan 13 02:42:52 oh, i see Jan 13 02:42:58 but again, it's all you need Jan 13 02:43:10 well if that's all .. i'll quit my job! Jan 13 02:43:14 ali1: hey so why do you think this is pushing the attribute limit? b/c it seems to fail in the same why my test did--error 0x501 and nothing rendered. Jan 13 02:43:16 bpadalino: lol Jan 13 02:43:21 bpadalino: well there are a lot of details Jan 13 02:43:29 bpadalino: first one should have a backup of p1 Jan 13 02:43:41 Toaster89: the mapping does that - I'm thinking of adding the ../local/.. into the path, jut to stop confusion Jan 13 02:43:45 bpadalino: then there are partitions and LVM to set up Jan 13 02:43:51 bpadalino: then you can doctor Jan 13 02:43:51 dtzWill: its always pushing the attribute limit, with any program Jan 13 02:43:55 yeah, that was a pretty important part .. those tables Jan 13 02:43:56 rwhitby ooh I see thanks for the info :) Jan 13 02:44:26 dtzWill: everytime wesgl is initialized, it tries to mess with a vertex attribute at index 8, implying that there are 9 vertex attributes available Jan 13 02:44:34 bpadalino: I wish I had a spare pre that I could back up and totally rebuild from a flash drive full of zeros Jan 13 02:44:38 ali1: oh okay Jan 13 02:44:43 I'm _not_ testing on my real phone Jan 13 02:44:44 rwhitby: can you pastebin me a tail of the apache error_log of the Trac? Jan 13 02:44:47 ali1: that makes lots of sense Jan 13 02:44:51 dtzWill: of course it still works because the shader still links Jan 13 02:44:51 destinal: check CL for a cheapie ? Jan 13 02:45:49 bpadalino: I'll start looking around for a dev spare Jan 13 02:46:10 bpadalino: you know this means we could upgrade our flash size, if we could manage to resolder BGA Jan 13 02:46:41 Well all, thanks for the help. Every time I come in here confused I leave a little more educated :) Jan 13 02:46:41 isn't it PoP in the pre ? Jan 13 02:47:50 oh, it isn't .. it's a samsung flash with the sdram as a pop Jan 13 02:47:51 neat Jan 13 02:48:42 I think I read it was BGA though, which is decidedly non-trivial for me anyway Jan 13 02:49:07 could be done with hot air? Jan 13 02:49:14 i've got access to a nice BGA rework station with an xray machine Jan 13 02:49:31 bpadalino: oooh. I can see a plan coming together here Jan 13 02:49:36 yeah, hot air can do it .. hot air and a little suction action Jan 13 02:49:52 ok Jan 13 02:49:55 ali1: does the pre even have > 2 texture units? Jan 13 02:49:59 there are those neat systems that have a camera on the part, and a camera on the boar .. you line it up .. Jan 13 02:50:07 and say "Go!" Jan 13 02:50:08 and it places the part .. very nice Jan 13 02:51:20 var store -wima- 256.00M Jan 13 02:53:43 *sigh* Jan 13 02:54:27 what new kernel mods are you going to create Jan 13 02:55:19 ;] Jan 13 02:56:55 Joplin-selinux Jan 13 02:56:56 haha Jan 13 02:59:55 dtzWill: hmm, not sure? Jan 13 02:59:55 yeah note the vol+usb is required after a remote **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jan 13 02:59:57 2010