**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 20 02:59:57 2010 Jan 20 03:00:28 Maybe 1.4 will improve it Jan 20 03:00:41 I dont understand why EVDO is connected even if wifi is on. Jan 20 03:01:25 egaudet: probably not, cause I only run webos-patches-testing from the major_upgrade branch Jan 20 03:01:43 egaudet: you need to have it in unreleased/ in master branch to get it in webos-internals-testing feed Jan 20 03:01:43 wifi on in the panel Jan 20 03:02:00 rwhitby, it's in major_upgrade but not in autopatch/ Jan 20 03:02:03 Even if Wifi is on, EVDO still has a ip address connection Jan 20 03:02:09 not associatef to any neywo Jan 20 03:02:20 egaudet: please update master/unreleased/... and I'll push that Jan 20 03:04:35 pusehd Jan 20 03:04:37 pushed* Jan 20 03:05:30 Abyssul: wifi was turned "on" in the app but not being used Jan 20 03:05:53 Adora from palm is here! Oh noes! Jan 20 03:05:53 seems to hurt battery Jan 20 03:05:56 she's workin late again Jan 20 03:06:33 I heard someoneh ad SNES going on the Pre? Jan 20 03:06:40 is there a compiled binary I can beg for? :p Jan 20 03:07:15 no sound Jan 20 03:07:20 no launcg gui Jan 20 03:08:13 that's fine with me :p Jan 20 03:08:18 We cant even get GBA games to play up to speed Jan 20 03:08:40 snes plays fast Jan 20 03:08:44 GBA is actually more powerful than SNES Jan 20 03:08:49 thus slower to emulate Jan 20 03:08:58 Hmmm Jan 20 03:09:00 and the snes has been perfected Jan 20 03:09:00 Makes sense Jan 20 03:09:49 how good is snes9x considered to be Jan 20 03:09:56 /very/ Jan 20 03:10:05 so much so the crazy guys at TASVideos use it Jan 20 03:10:52 zsnes actually isn't bad either, they've both had so much development time put into them that they're both excellent. it's just snes9x has been easier to port Jan 20 03:11:01 and has been updated more often/better Jan 20 03:11:23 egaudet: testing feed updated Jan 20 03:11:52 if you zipped up the binary though destinal I would <3 you for... until it's released officially :D Jan 20 03:12:26 and yes I know no GUI no sound possibly buggy no support etc etc, I did the same thing for dtzWill with vba :p Jan 20 03:12:31 I will send when home Jan 20 03:12:32 zsnes makes heacy use of x86 asm, so porting it over to something else is quite a waste of time if you could just use snes9x Jan 20 03:12:40 awesome, thanks ;) Jan 20 03:12:54 wouldnt mind testing it too :) Jan 20 03:15:13 I will post bin to channel Jan 20 03:15:28 ty! Jan 20 03:16:01 * VincentLaw digs out snes roms Jan 20 03:17:54 internalz should support launch associations Jan 20 03:18:21 or somethin Jan 20 03:18:41 yeah i was thinking the same thing Jan 20 03:18:52 maybe we need midnight commander Jan 20 03:18:52 You should be able to launch apps from it Jan 20 03:25:58 since you guys know more about it, can anyone confirm snes9x 1.5.3 is latest? Jan 20 03:26:21 sounds right Jan 20 03:27:53 actually Jan 20 03:27:54 1.51 Jan 20 03:27:55 :/ Jan 20 03:28:03 according to the main snes9x site Jan 20 03:28:12 testing ftw Jan 20 03:28:55 http://webos.pastebin.com/m3fd80daf Jan 20 03:28:56 http://www.snes9x.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=4542 <-- 1.52 released on the 12th of 2010 :p Jan 20 03:29:00 rwhitby, ^^ sanity check Jan 20 03:29:04 anyone else want to verify the script too Jan 20 03:30:07 on the forums it is 1.52 Jan 20 03:30:12 kk Jan 20 03:30:15 aw too late Jan 20 03:34:52 egaudet: reading Jan 20 03:35:22 rwhitby, is there a cache or something that preware is reading? Jan 20 03:35:28 aside from feeds Jan 20 03:36:25 egaudet: lists dir and status file, and then control and appinfo for packages in status that are not in the feeds Jan 20 03:36:53 Sonic-NKT: VincentLaw: hmm, the current unix source wants x11 so I'll need to hack it. I think the one I got working before was an older Gp2x port or something but my hard drive died soon after. so I'm afraid it's vapor for the moment, sorry. working on it now though Jan 20 03:37:15 egaudet: no other caching inside Preware itself Jan 20 03:38:07 egaudet: that looks good - does it pick up app catalog entries too? Jan 20 03:38:18 destinal: no problem, hope you get it working again Jan 20 03:38:28 bbiab Jan 20 03:39:13 egaudet: Emergency Reconstruction Utility - ERU Jan 20 03:39:27 destinal: honestly you migh consider sticking with 1.51, since 1.52 apparently breaks support for old savestates Jan 20 03:39:27 rwhitby, I have all feeds OFF, I removed a package (camerafunlite) and then update feeds and that package shows up as available Jan 20 03:39:36 destinal: it doesn't seem to do much for performance anyway Jan 20 03:39:38 rwhitby, the only thing is it loses some info from app cat apps Jan 20 03:39:46 rwhitby: can I use regular 9.10 Ubuntu, do not have an amd64 chipset Jan 20 03:40:03 the control file has "this is a webos app" and "nobody" for descript/maintainer Jan 20 03:40:06 LoneStar99: server is available for x86 and amd64 Jan 20 03:40:10 instead of 9.10 Sever Jan 20 03:40:22 can/should I use the lists/ files for those or just c'est la vie Jan 20 03:40:43 egaudet: does Preware fix that if the feeds are available? Jan 20 03:41:33 VincentLaw: hmm, and 1.51 may "just work" Jan 20 03:41:56 at least it seems to be building Jan 20 03:42:04 seeing as 1.52 /just/ came out, and 1.51 has been out for ages too, everyone will kinda expect that :p Jan 20 03:42:38 weird, jsut given the option for amd64 no x86 iso... Jan 20 03:43:11 rwhitby, palm cat feed on does not fix maintainer Jan 20 03:43:18 Hi, is anyone able to help me troubleshoot a problem I'm having with Preware? Jan 20 03:43:22 I wonder what version I built, because this looks way more advanced from a build perspective Jan 20 03:43:27 cat, feed, descript all fixed but not maintainer Jan 20 03:43:40 download size reports as "false B" Jan 20 03:43:47 (with feed off) Jan 20 03:44:35 egaudet: I think we'll need to put dummy sizes in there Jan 20 03:45:02 VincentLaw: meh, x11fails again Jan 20 03:45:09 :/ Jan 20 03:45:29 well if it wasnt the gp2x port I'd imagine that's why :p Jan 20 03:47:15 VincentLaw: one really good reason to do 1.52 Jan 20 03:47:17 ALSA Jan 20 03:47:38 egaudet: for an emergency tool, we can live with bogus maintainer Jan 20 03:47:43 well if they're both failing might as well fix the one with alsa :p Jan 20 03:47:50 I didn't see alsa in teh change log though? Jan 20 03:48:07 grep -i alsa */* shows dramatic differences Jan 20 03:48:21 * rwhitby bbl Jan 20 03:48:26 dummy size as what Jan 20 03:48:26 0 Jan 20 03:48:49 egaudet: maybe du -s on the dir? Jan 20 03:49:04 Si, I'll take that as a no... Jan 20 03:49:14 egaudet: or 0 is fine for first release Jan 20 03:51:03 Anyone have a clue about what this means or how to fix it? "OnFeeds Error: TypeError: Cannot install method 'split' of undefined" Jan 20 03:51:23 how about just ??? B Jan 20 03:51:44 Can't aceess any of my Preware settings or manage feeds. Jan 20 03:53:02 rubyji, reinstall preware. I assume you recently updated to 1.3.5.x Jan 20 03:53:55 Thanks, egaudet. I updated last week. have run Preware once or twice since then. Today it started throwing this error. Jan 20 03:53:56 destinal: from reading the thread, I am seeign mention of pulseaudio drivers Jan 20 03:54:02 perhaps you won't even need ALSA? Jan 20 03:54:03 very nice Jan 20 03:54:40 rubyji, reinstall preware/package manager service. If you use QI use 2.96 or later Jan 20 03:54:43 basically I'm hoping right now to find the port I found before or one like it for simple handhelds so I can save time figuring out how they make it work without x Jan 20 03:54:47 * PreGame just made his ringtone the same ringtone the geico boss has in the commercial Jan 20 03:54:47 then do the same for new ver Jan 20 03:55:57 +egaudet, QI? Jan 20 03:56:23 heh, maybe I should read porting.html Jan 20 03:56:25 :P Jan 20 03:57:09 :P Jan 20 03:57:28 that sounds like DOCUMENTATION. cant be doing that! Jan 20 03:59:44 egaudet, thanks for the suggestion to reinstall. will have to wait until I am at work to do that. no updates for me tonight, I guess. Jan 20 04:00:25 rubyji: you have the terminal application on your phone? Jan 20 04:01:38 zsoc: No I don't have terminal installed right now. Jan 20 04:02:02 rubyji: is there something that stops you from getting shell access from the computer you are using now? (assuming you're not on wIRC) Jan 20 04:02:38 destinal: why not poke around for an SDL compatible version? Jan 20 04:02:49 destinal: sdl and x11 are fairly mutually exclusive i'd say :> Jan 20 04:03:24 zsoc: I think the snes9x folks would beg to differ Jan 20 04:03:25 zsoc, no I'm on my Eee PC, am set-up with WebOS Quick Install on my Mac at work. Jan 20 04:03:56 zsoc, I'm just being lazy/impatient. I can deal... ;-) Jan 20 04:04:28 ah, i assume your eepc is windows and not *nix? Jan 20 04:04:46 destinal: well, if it supports sdl, you can rip out the x11 stuff pretty easily imo Jan 20 04:05:03 hmm, the SDL stuff is in a directory called "gtk" Jan 20 04:05:06 help? Jan 20 04:05:07 :) Jan 20 04:05:27 lol wat? Jan 20 04:05:35 OH there's probably a gtk frontend Jan 20 04:05:38 for rom picking and what not Jan 20 04:05:45 they _must_ support command line launching, no? Jan 20 04:05:59 the earlier version I used did Jan 20 04:06:03 intltool-update? Jan 20 04:06:05 snes9x-sdl right? Jan 20 04:06:43 zsoc: uh, negative, I tried official version Jan 20 04:06:55 let me check that out Jan 20 04:06:57 there's 4 ports Jan 20 04:07:06 GTK, OSX, windows, and command line for linux Jan 20 04:10:01 woo scons Jan 20 04:10:20 can anyone find snes9x-sdl? google brings junk Jan 20 04:10:32 anything good happen tonight? Jan 20 04:10:39 xcomp: u push those changes? Jan 20 04:11:10 destinal: you tried the official source version and it wasn't command line? :/ Jan 20 04:11:43 zsoc: No, it's running Xandros Linux. Jan 20 04:12:00 VincentLaw: it didn't compile without x11 stuff Jan 20 04:12:26 rubyji: you're a hop skip and jump away from shell access with novacom Jan 20 04:13:28 zsoc: I thought you meant did I have terminal on my Pre... Jan 20 04:13:41 all the SDL stuff is in the gtk dir Jan 20 04:13:49 in the official one Jan 20 04:13:52 rubyji: that was my first question, as it would have been similar :) Jan 20 04:13:56 looks like the snes9x-sdl is for a device called the dingoo or something Jan 20 04:14:06 s/similar/simpler/ Jan 20 04:14:06 zsoc meant: rubyji: that was my first question, as it would have been simpler :) Jan 20 04:14:18 * zsoc ports zsnes Jan 20 04:14:18 VincentLaw: yeah, saw that, had a hard time finding anything but binaries Jan 20 04:14:25 it's possible that's what I built before Jan 20 04:14:53 http://www.zophar.net/consoles/gamepark2x/snes.html here's snes emulation on various platforms for what it's worth, but :/ Jan 20 04:15:12 destinal: eeew... zsnes uses hwsurface/doublebuf for sdl and quads for opengl :( Jan 20 04:15:23 zsoc: isn't it half x86 ASM too? Jan 20 04:15:31 yes Jan 20 04:15:37 apparently? lol Jan 20 04:15:50 Snes9x or a derivative is the way to go Jan 20 04:15:51 zsoc: Ah OK. What should I do from the prompt on my leeetle Eee? Jan 20 04:15:52 so that can only mean that zsoc plans on porting it Jan 20 04:15:53 :P Jan 20 04:17:02 alright AUPT can go jump off a cliff! Jan 20 04:17:06 no one really wants update all right Jan 20 04:17:09 rubyji: that is a great question, since apparently xandros doesn't use dpkg or anything like it, i'm not sure now honestly :/ Jan 20 04:17:25 egaudet: that bad, hey? Jan 20 04:17:49 well 136 patches, OTA update all, EPR 2.0, and 24 files fail md5sum check :( Jan 20 04:17:56 now I have to go parse through a giant log Jan 20 04:18:00 zsoc: Eh. Oh well. Jan 20 04:18:08 136 is out? Jan 20 04:18:22 no i doctored to 1.3.1, and OTA to 1.3.5 Jan 20 04:19:00 rubyji: Does "xandros networks" have any package called something like "palm-novacom" or similar? honestly i know little about xandros package management Jan 20 04:19:40 So past two days I've been having some weird issues. My major weird issue is sometimes the battery reports as 0%% and phone is going to "die" but then I swipe down the device menu and it refeshing the battery to its proper level. Jan 20 04:20:01 Anyone have that happen to them ? I do hae the battery icon as percent patch installed but.. Jan 20 04:20:10 zsoc: I'll have a look in the package manager. Jan 20 04:20:45 hmm.. apparently i can't read chinese Jan 20 04:20:46 rubyji: it will not. unless you are an expert in linux packaging, just wait till you get back to your mac Jan 20 04:20:48 I really did give it my best shot Jan 20 04:21:02 o.O Jan 20 04:21:21 rubyji: lol yes, sorry for encouraging you... maybe just waiting for tommorow is the best bet :) Jan 20 04:21:51 rwhitby: for the record, there's a palm-novacom in my ubuntu repos Jan 20 04:22:11 zsoc: pardon? Jan 20 04:22:15 zsoc: I'll be OK not tweaking my phone for the next 12 hours... somehow. ;-) Jan 20 04:22:29 zsoc: in the Ubuntu repo, or just a package you installed from Palm? Jan 20 04:22:46 * zsoc scratches his head Jan 20 04:23:02 hmm.. yes i suppose apt would handle packages already installed? Jan 20 04:23:05 rwhitby: I'm on an EeePC with little bitty Xandros Linux. It doesn Jan 20 04:23:10 terr, doesn Jan 20 04:23:20 haha, Eee keyboard! Jan 20 04:23:27 then I probably installed the palm dev. Jan 20 04:23:31 *deb Jan 20 04:23:34 * zsoc shuts up again Jan 20 04:23:51 anuway, it doesn't have all the stuff available to others b/c it doesn't want you installing stuff teh Eee can't handle. Jan 20 04:24:25 rubyji: hey it works for irc right? ;) Jan 20 04:25:12 zsoc: I don't ask much of it, and the Eee does just fine. :-) Jan 20 04:28:15 destinal: what about snesgp2x? Jan 20 04:28:45 I'm going to go get some sleep before my baby wakes me up. :-\ Thanks for trying to help! I <3 open source. Jan 20 04:28:45 destinal: it has no asm and claims to run well on a 200mhz processor :) Jan 20 04:28:55 zsoc: cool it with the emulators Jan 20 04:29:06 rubyji: make sure you're using woqi 2.96 :) later Jan 20 04:29:16 PuffTheMagic: ?... he asked for people to find him something Jan 20 04:29:18 rubyji I use my eee with ubuntu remix on it, instead of the icy xandros Jan 20 04:29:19 We can get snes9x working, I just need to understand more stuff Jan 20 04:29:21 PuffTheMagic: what should I be doing? :p Jan 20 04:29:50 zsoc: idk, but how many emulators can we have with games we cant play well cause controlls suck Jan 20 04:30:06 Rick-home: have you heard of Moblin? It's a netbook-optimized Linux. Jan 20 04:30:21 rick-home: I Jan 20 04:30:40 rick-home: I'm also thinking about eeebuntu... Jan 20 04:30:43 rubyji i have. I ==like-- remix Jan 20 04:30:44 PuffTheMagic: gbc games are very playable, and iphone n64 stuff uses touchscreen, there's hope. Jan 20 04:31:04 PuffTheMagic: which controls do you not like? I have been working with dtzWill|away on controls so if you have any inputs let me or him know Jan 20 04:31:09 rubyji i used eeebuntu for about a year. Switched to remix after that and never looked back Jan 20 04:31:17 PuffTheMagic: go evas something :P Jan 20 04:31:37 we managed to get something really good after some work on Quake, I am hoping to eventually get the other stuff that dtzWill|away is working on up to the same quality of controls Jan 20 04:32:03 rick-home: thanks, good to know! I'll check out ubuntu remix as well. Jan 20 04:32:33 Rick-home: you use a netbook? Jan 20 04:33:01 that tickles me for some reason Jan 20 04:36:46 What is WiDi? Jan 20 04:40:14 Good night (or good morning, depending on where you are), and thanks again, y'all! Jan 20 04:40:48 [23:29:15] We can get snes9x working, I just need to understand more stuff <-- you need to channel your inner dtzWill Jan 20 04:41:05 VincentLaw: lol Jan 20 04:41:36 if I could only find that code I had. I guess I should try recovering the dead hard drive since the interwebz are not forthcoming Jan 20 04:41:57 moral of the story, always put things in the repo, if only in nonworking Jan 20 04:42:46 laterz yall Jan 20 04:43:33 zsoc|away: yeah gb is decent Jan 20 04:43:38 and nes would be easy Jan 20 04:43:41 but thats about it Jan 20 04:43:55 i need some mega man zsoc Jan 20 04:44:00 NES was already working before SDL Jan 20 04:44:04 using framebuffer Jan 20 04:44:13 yeah but it sucked Jan 20 04:44:14 it was slow Jan 20 04:44:18 we need to use GLES Jan 20 04:44:25 i doubt it would be hard Jan 20 04:44:45 if they can make a Javascript-based NES emulator, I think we can port NES to the pre :p Jan 20 04:44:53 I heard someone is working on a library to make OGL work on GLES Jan 20 04:45:03 Where's MAME? Jan 20 04:45:04 that is what I heard at least, don't know how much fact is behind it Jan 20 04:46:21 also destinal: this talks about GTK, but it also talks about building the source. maybe it'll give you some insight on how to do it without gtk? http://www.snes9x.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=3703 Jan 20 04:49:29 ah, it's partially using SDL Jan 20 04:49:34 we need a full SDL port Jan 20 04:49:38 found the aupt bug! Jan 20 04:50:39 woohoo! Jan 20 04:52:10 really debating now going back to enforcing stock file md5sum on initial touching of a file Jan 20 04:52:30 http://benfirshman.com/projects/jsnes/ <-- javascript nes :D (works best in chrome, sound is slow) Jan 20 04:54:06 yeah Jan 20 04:54:18 jsnes shows that chrome's javascript rendering is clearly superior to safari and firefox Jan 20 04:54:37 I think it's the canvas tag speed that really slows it down from what they said Jan 20 04:54:55 I believe when we did framerate tests firefox only did about 12-15fps, safari was around 9-10 (safari on iphone did almost as well as real safari browser), chrome is blazing at 60+fps Jan 20 04:55:05 doesn't work on the pre's browser yet =[ Jan 20 04:55:29 now, could we code the emulators in flash? Jan 20 04:55:33 once it comes out of course Jan 20 04:55:34 so for those playing with SDL Jan 20 04:55:35 I get ~20fps on firefox 3.6, 58~ in chrome Jan 20 04:55:39 backswipe... Jan 20 04:55:44 what does that register as? Jan 20 04:55:48 well Google is obviously going to be very interested in their browser doing fast javascript rendering as in all of their own content is javascript based Jan 20 04:55:50 mouse event Jan 20 04:55:53 keyboard? Jan 20 04:55:56 cryptk|work: probably, but that'd be slower than sdl by far Jan 20 04:56:12 VincentLaw: that is what I was thinking... Jan 20 04:56:33 psykoz: you need only look at google wave to see even with all the improvements it's still not nearly fast enough Jan 20 04:56:52 well googlewave sucks ;) Jan 20 04:56:58 worst project ever Jan 20 04:57:04 Google needs to just kill it now Jan 20 04:57:32 I love the "see what I'm typing" stuff, but that's about it Jan 20 04:58:04 http://azspot.net/post/343798636/the-joy-of-tech Jan 20 04:59:28 psykoz: you dont like wave? Jan 20 04:59:48 Not really ;) Jan 20 04:59:59 PuffTheMagic: you do? Jan 20 05:00:08 the concept is neat, the execution is terrible Jan 20 05:00:27 i dont mind it... Jan 20 05:00:37 i imagine it being like an opensource version of adobe connect Jan 20 05:00:39 when its done Jan 20 05:00:51 it's far too slow to be useable as is Jan 20 05:01:02 It's not even just the usable or not for me Jan 20 05:01:05 thats cause its on a pos server Jan 20 05:01:12 no, it's cause of the javascript Jan 20 05:01:14 its not cause the code is slow Jan 20 05:01:19 its a beta project Jan 20 05:01:20 It's the I already have email, chat, and these fragmented communities that i've never been able to unify together my way Jan 20 05:01:26 it does not get good hw Jan 20 05:01:32 and I just fail to see how wave is going to be any different Jan 20 05:01:50 the page/wave could be fully loaded and it still slows down badly on anything resembling a decently long wave Jan 20 05:02:04 I also agree that I don't see how this is going to merge all internet communication Jan 20 05:02:08 rwhitby, pushed ERU and AUPT fix. wipe and rebuild test patches when you can please Jan 20 05:02:18 so it just becomes another communication platform to add to my already existing list of myspace, facebook, aim, google talk, msn, google talk for work, email for work, email for home, irc, etc Jan 20 05:02:20 but anyway this is tangental, sorry :p Jan 20 05:02:34 psykoz: i think its for school, talk about projects with people, discuss papers, its all logged and in one place Jan 20 05:02:50 PuffTheMagic in that regard it will make a decent collaboration tool Jan 20 05:03:07 or I could see it being useful to real estate agents at a company working together on trying to sell stuff Jan 20 05:03:10 or something Jan 20 05:03:19 exactly Jan 20 05:03:19 but it's going to be a niche product Jan 20 05:03:28 thats what adobe connect does Jan 20 05:03:35 just a small bit of it Jan 20 05:03:38 PuffTheMagic, backswipe registers as esc key I believe Jan 20 05:03:43 ever use that? Jan 20 05:03:56 I have not Jan 20 05:04:04 egaudet: i cant tell if im gettng that in evas Jan 20 05:04:20 now here's what I would like to see google do with wave, but it'd be a ballsy move Jan 20 05:04:20 what do you mean you cant tell? Jan 20 05:04:31 psykoz: adobe connect you can do voice conferences, share powerpoints, works with video cameras Jan 20 05:04:41 i cant image google wave doing all that too Jan 20 05:04:48 I'd like to see Google one day when you login to your gmail account say "we have this really cool new interface for email and chat, are you brave?" and when you click Yes it immediately converts you to the wave interface Jan 20 05:04:57 egaudet: ERU into webos-internals-testing and major_upgrade into webos-patches-testing? Jan 20 05:05:02 and all your google talk conversations are just waves, all your emails threaded are just waves Jan 20 05:05:23 and those you communicate with in wave that also are wave advanced, well... you get bonus perks with them Jan 20 05:05:34 But I don't think they'd ever do that ;) Jan 20 05:05:48 rwhitby, do you want me to move ERU to unreleased? I tested it it works for me, do we need 3 confirms? Jan 20 05:06:02 ERU? Jan 20 05:06:09 egaudet: since it's new, one is enoug Jan 20 05:06:22 k, just get it in regular feed i'd say Jan 20 05:06:29 it's emergency for a extremely rare event Jan 20 05:06:42 PuffTheMagic, Emergency Reconstruction Utility to repair corrupted ipkg status file Jan 20 05:07:09 egaudet: are you like the pre paramedic? Jan 20 05:07:18 lol Jan 20 05:07:42 egaudet better name that. Emergency Reconstruction Paramedic Jan 20 05:08:26 EPR, ERP hehe Jan 20 05:08:35 he has a suit of emergency tools Jan 20 05:08:43 Emergency Renconstruction and Repair... for IPKG ERRors Jan 20 05:08:44 I have 2, rwhitby made the other :P Jan 20 05:08:45 lol Jan 20 05:13:42 someone tell me what i send to the term when escape is pressed Jan 20 05:14:29 I just noticed the new preware got a good review on P|C Jan 20 05:15:00 char 27 puff Jan 20 05:22:52 cryptk|work: yep, by milominderbinder Jan 20 05:23:10 get the following error when I try to run "Make CARRIER ..." unzip webosdoctorp100ewwsprint-1.3.5-1.jar META-INF/MANIFEST.MF resources/webOS.tar resources/recoverytool.config ) /bin/sh: unzip: not found Jan 20 05:23:11 cryptk|work: he's invested in Preware - he wrote the article that install.preware.org currently points to Jan 20 05:24:09 LoneStar99: excellent. Please add that to the required software doco on the wiki page. Jan 20 05:25:33 Rick-home: I think having two tools with acronyms with the same letters rearranged is probably not a good idea. Jan 20 05:26:05 rwhitby: what zip program do i need to download? Jan 20 05:26:25 LoneStar99: sudo apt-get install unzip Jan 20 05:26:42 LoneStar99: have you tried unzip? Jan 20 05:26:46 rwhitby: beat me to it Jan 20 05:27:33 did anyone listen to the palmcast today? Jan 20 05:28:19 would have thought, some unzipper would come by default Jan 20 05:30:22 tar, gzip, bzip2 Jan 20 05:30:50 linux zippers :p Jan 20 05:31:30 ZIP is more common in Windows Jan 20 05:31:42 linux ppl tend to not use zip since it doesn't store file permissions properly Jan 20 05:31:46 So, I need someone to write the front end for an open source save and restore application for webOS Jan 20 05:31:48 speaking of zip, jsut got a zip error Jan 20 05:31:50 at least not linux file permissions Jan 20 05:32:11 rwhitby: are you just looking for someone that knows HTML/CSS/JScript? Jan 20 05:32:19 cryptk|work: yep Jan 20 05:32:19 bbiab, mandatory smoke time Jan 20 05:32:26 rwhitby: I *may* be able to help out Jan 20 05:33:15 cryptk|work: that someone can start with the preware source, and turn it into something that lists packages, and allows you to hit "save" or "restore" on a list of ticked packages, and also allows the whole list to be ticked. Jan 20 05:33:53 in the backend, it will call a service to get the list of packages, and will call a save or restore method for each ticked package Jan 20 05:34:10 if any package returns an error, that will need to be displayed. Jan 20 05:34:45 it will use the org.webosinternals.saverestore service as the back-end Jan 20 05:34:57 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Save_and_Restore Jan 20 05:39:52 destinal: ping Jan 20 05:40:01 quote of the day, from the Pre sighting on 24 comments: "I wonder how long it'll take before these CTU apps appear in preware." Jan 20 05:40:55 let me just write a GUI application in visual basic to make that appear in preware Jan 20 05:41:52 * VincentLaw pounds on keyboard furiously for 10 seconds, clicks run, and gets 3D representation of preware you can interact with a la Minority Report Jan 20 05:41:58 yay for tv realities Jan 20 05:43:08 rwhitby: I don't have any experience interfacing with backend services... Jan 20 05:44:12 cryptk|work, easy as pie, you call serviceRequest :P Jan 20 05:44:33 where is the preware source at so i can take a look at it Jan 20 05:44:43 git.webosinternals.org Jan 20 05:44:49 applications/preware.git Jan 20 05:45:36 don't have git here at work... Jan 20 05:45:54 anywhere I can view it through a browser? Jan 20 05:46:03 if not, I will have to wait till I get home to look at it Jan 20 05:46:10 but i don't have much free time at home... Jan 20 05:46:37 at home is where I do my other job... the one that actually pays money Jan 20 05:46:39 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/preware.git;a=summary Jan 20 05:46:54 (I have this one just for insurance) lol Jan 20 05:49:25 I don't know if i will be able to do it or not... I don't have the emulator to test anything here at work and when I am at home I am working Jan 20 05:49:50 egaudet: do you know what character is sent to term when escape is pressed? Jan 20 05:49:53 I miss those days Jan 20 05:50:03 now i'm stuck with no job, and work is hard to find Jan 20 05:50:14 acydlord: do what I do, freelance it Jan 20 05:50:28 the hard part is advertising yourself Jan 20 05:50:53 PuffTheMagic, no idea, whatever keycode is for esc? Jan 20 05:51:04 i'm good at adveritising myself, it's just that most IS work has been outsourced no, and there are no small companies around anymore who need consulting Jan 20 05:51:36 which is why i've been working on people's phones and computers Jan 20 05:51:43 but thats mostly been all barter stuff Jan 20 05:52:19 acydlord: I do web developement, mainly I find a company with a crappy website, go in with a laptop and show them what I can make for them Jan 20 05:52:31 I usually find that someone that works there made their site, and I can do better Jan 20 05:53:04 arizona is way too full of web designers and developers, thats why i got out of that market Jan 20 05:53:47 acydlord: go outside of arizona then, I have done jobs for companies in california, oklamona, wisoncon, virginia, north/south carolina and others Jan 20 05:54:06 make the right phone calls to the right people and show them what you can do over the internet Jan 20 05:54:14 give them the right price and you have money Jan 20 05:54:21 but that is easier for web developement Jan 20 06:02:07 * egaudet bed Jan 20 06:09:45 hello Jan 20 06:27:23 PuffTheMagic: pong Jan 20 06:29:04 commit 17f713a216b285bd6cd6daf8c0001e499204b57b in applications.git on gitorious is related to the regression in terminal, it seems. July 26, 2009 Jan 20 06:39:40 man ... cross-compile has to get smarter about dependency checking Jan 20 06:41:45 that bad? Jan 20 06:45:23 the recursive checking is a little silly especially with the chain of deps efl has Jan 20 06:46:35 if i tell it that x package requires eina evas ecore edje it checks eina, then checks everything evas depends on, which in turn checks everything eet depends on, which in turn checks eina and gnutls etc. then it checks ecore, which in turn checks eina, eet, evas etc recursively over again Jan 20 06:46:39 you get the picture Jan 20 06:47:25 yeah, that's pretty ugly Jan 20 06:59:23 how can I get meta-doctor build out of VM if the share folders stuff fails? Jan 20 07:00:57 apt-get install openssh-server and scp it off Jan 20 07:02:15 where can i "scp" it to? Jan 20 07:02:41 what if I have an ftp server, can i upload it that way? Jan 20 07:02:54 sure, however Jan 20 07:03:03 s/er/er you like/ Jan 20 07:03:04 destinal meant: sure, however you like Jan 20 07:03:28 what is the command to upload to ftp in linux? Jan 20 07:03:59 ftp ? Jan 20 07:04:09 yeah Jan 20 07:04:19 no, I mean, just "ftp" Jan 20 07:04:24 what is it in freebsd? Jan 20 07:04:58 ftp Jan 20 07:05:04 figured so Jan 20 07:05:14 wget does not work in freebsd etc... Jan 20 07:05:44 there may be some command to do it all on one line, but typically I just do ftp , cd whatever, bin, put file Jan 20 07:05:52 in freebsd "ftp" = "wget" Jan 20 07:07:15 freebsd comes with fetch Jan 20 07:07:43 which you can use to grab a file from a URL Jan 20 07:07:48 oh i use ftp http://www.abc.com/thisfile.jpg Jan 20 07:08:05 didn't know ftp accepted http urls. heh Jan 20 07:10:02 LoneStar99: you've shunned us! Jan 20 07:10:08 what the hell? Jan 20 07:11:11 sigh Jan 20 07:11:27 terminal issue seems to be thread-related :( Jan 20 07:11:31 * destinal hates it. Jan 20 07:11:37 lame Jan 20 07:12:02 If I just don't try to kill off the second thread on close, it doesn't crash Jan 20 07:12:24 sugardave: today, have been dealing with trying to get my pre to work via wifi, one obstacle after another... Jan 20 07:12:41 Debugging across threads = suck Jan 20 07:13:37 LoneStar99: ah, yeah I saw that earlier...no luck still? Jan 20 07:14:10 destinal: wish I could help...I'm not going to be able to, though :D Jan 20 07:14:34 nope; have to restort to uploading the file somewhere, virtualbox additions do not work... Jan 20 07:19:48 LoneStar99: suck...sorry dude Jan 20 07:20:19 oh well, it's just time... Jan 20 07:23:57 does build file "pre-p100eww-sprint-1.3.5.1" look right? Jan 20 07:32:34 LoneStar99: set up a second network connection to the virtual machine, host-only, and scp across 192.168.56.x Jan 20 07:33:43 is there any pre voip yet? Jan 20 07:35:23 hello Jan 20 07:35:35 ? Jan 20 07:35:55 hi Jan 20 07:36:43 I installed Preware on Pre and some patches. Now I am not able to install anything from appcatalog. Jan 20 07:36:59 Apps from webos-internals feed continue to install fine. Jan 20 07:37:18 Where do I look to start diagnosting this problem? Jan 20 07:37:22 what version of webos quick install did you use to install Preware Jan 20 07:37:57 wget http://bit.ly/preware-bootstrap Jan 20 07:38:04 sh preware-bootstrap Jan 20 07:38:31 did you do the wget within the last week? Jan 20 07:38:39 I installed it without webos quick install, just from unix command line Jan 20 07:38:54 yes, it was just last Sunday Jan 20 07:39:14 have you recently OTA upgraded to 1.3.5.x ? Jan 20 07:39:39 I upgraded it sometimes in beginning of January Jan 20 07:39:57 did you run the EMH tool since then? Jan 20 07:41:16 EMH ? Emergency Migration ... ? Point me to it. Jan 20 07:42:40 Emergency Migration Helper? Let me try it. Jan 20 07:43:10 emergency monkey hammer Jan 20 07:43:43 restarting Luna for EMH Jan 20 07:44:04 what error do you get when trying to install things from app catalog? Jan 20 07:45:22 I try to install an app, and the app catalog says "Installation failed" and I will see the icon for the app in the launcher with a little asterisk next to it (asterisk probably means there is a problem). Clicking on the icon with asterisk brings up appcatalog. Jan 20 07:45:59 These apps do not show up in "List applications", so I can't delete them... Jan 20 07:47:16 I have never seen a case before where Preware causes such symptoms. Jan 20 07:47:44 * rwhitby bbl Jan 20 07:49:44 EMH seems to have helped. Great!!!! Jan 20 07:49:45 orange key click app Jan 20 07:50:41 eckockwor: you can delete installed apps with orange key Jan 20 07:51:36 I'd rather have them... EMH helped. Now I wonder what else might gotten broken with EMH. Jan 20 07:52:50 Jolting: BTW, orange key + click worked to delete the broken app icon from the launcher. Jan 20 07:54:04 eclockwor: it would take me forever to delete apps I try without it Jan 20 07:54:48 well ... EFL back in staging Jan 20 07:55:07 and should all build without issue Jan 20 07:55:13 i've added expedite as well Jan 20 07:56:36 egaudet: doesn't this mean the name of the package is truncated? Cannot find package ca.canucksoftware.internalz. Jan 20 07:56:36 Check the spelling or perhaps run 'ipkg update' Jan 20 07:57:29 or shouldn't have the dot on the end? Jan 20 07:58:36 when running "for i in `ls /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications`; do ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps install `basename $i`; done" Jan 20 07:58:53 think I need to get rid of the trailing dot on the package name Jan 20 07:59:34 anyone see how to do that? Jan 20 08:03:05 thanks for the EMH tip. Jan 20 08:03:33 Another question: when in Launcher I go to "Default applications", most of them are disabled. Jan 20 08:03:59 How do I enable them and change default apps ? Jan 20 08:04:05 I think that is a work in progress or another app has to be enabled as capable in order to change the default Jan 20 08:05:07 like Music remix would have to be enabled to be in that list to take over for Music Jan 20 08:06:10 ok, fine with default apps Jan 20 08:07:28 I have installed dropbear on pre and Preware so I do not need novacom running. How do I remove /sbin/novacom? It starts automatically. Jan 20 08:07:54 Is it in /etc/event.d/novacomd? Jan 20 08:10:35 I would leave it... Jan 20 08:13:05 anyone know how to remove the trailing dot that basename exports when using this command ""for i in `ls /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications`; do ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps install `basename $i`; done"" Jan 20 08:13:29 rwhitby: thanks for all the help, will continue tommorrow! Jan 20 08:13:31 ca.canucksoftware.internalz. Jan 20 08:20:58 thanks for the help Jan 20 08:31:49 hrm not sure if that fix will work anyways, tried installing a few packages and they don't show up in status Jan 20 08:33:54 hrm Jan 20 08:35:50 hrm yeah they will if you do it package by package not like I tried with multiple packages and one gets an error downloading or something Jan 20 09:30:08 I have a flashed pre, and the app catalog does not work, and preware keeps sending me to it for a bunch of apps Jan 20 09:30:19 is there anyway for me to get those apps without the app catalog Jan 20 09:36:29 hmagoo: there's a new app to fix your problem - look for Emergency Reconstruction Utility in Preware Jan 20 09:36:49 hmagoo: please give it a try now and let us know if it works Jan 20 09:40:07 or is there some way to get the app catalog back? Jan 20 09:47:33 UnkwnTech: did you log into your palm profile? Jan 20 09:47:59 no, this rom is activation bypassed, so I didin't get that option Jan 20 09:48:49 where did the rom come from? Jan 20 09:49:05 idk, I didin't do the flash this time Jan 20 09:49:18 where did you get it flashed? Jan 20 09:49:41 a local shop here in San Diego Jan 20 09:50:01 and they didn't provide a Palm Profile? Jan 20 09:50:23 idk, honestly, I dont think they realy know what they are doing Jan 20 09:50:33 likely just bought the solution Jan 20 09:51:10 you should ask for your money back. you can't access the app catalog without a palm profile. Jan 20 09:51:39 I wasn't too worried about it because I figured that preware would work fine without it Jan 20 09:52:00 preware works fine. but you can't access apps from the app catalog without a palm profile Jan 20 09:52:05 but not being able to the get the facebook app is a bit annoying Jan 20 09:52:27 although for that I could just use the browser Jan 20 09:52:31 there are some apps I have paid for Jan 20 09:52:32 what do you expect when you get your phone flashed from a shonky local shop? Jan 20 09:52:49 it was either them for $45 or buy a rom for $200 Jan 20 09:52:54 and I only paid $150 for the phone Jan 20 09:53:03 you know you can do it yourself for free ... Jan 20 09:53:15 I couldn't get the data working Jan 20 09:53:30 I had voice and txt but without data I might as well have gone back to my SLVR Jan 20 09:53:58 well, you'll need to talk to your cellular provider about that. we don't do that stuff in this channel. Jan 20 09:54:17 thats fine... Jan 20 09:54:28 is it possible to change my palm profile without resetting Jan 20 09:54:40 do you have a palm profile? Jan 20 09:54:50 yeah Jan 20 09:54:57 then just sign in to it Jan 20 09:56:14 BTW, where do you buy a rom for $200 ? Jan 20 09:56:43 it was a guy on (either howard or mobile-files) selling the cricket solution Jan 20 09:57:02 was a full rom, ready with data/mms Jan 20 10:02:18 Hmm, seems the Cricket ROM includes the WebOS Internals Terminal app, which is GPL. Therefore, the Cricket ROM should come with full source code .... Jan 20 10:02:34 ROFL Jan 20 10:02:39 I hadn't thought of that Jan 20 10:03:42 destinal: you can make a copyright claim against beezlewaxin on www.mobile-files.com for distributing Terminal without complying with the GPL. Jan 20 10:04:06 thats the one, $200 for it Jan 20 10:04:32 I suppose thats a fair price if your going to use it to flash a bunch of devices but I only want to flash mine Jan 20 10:05:24 hmm - looks like it contains the preware bootstrap script too. So dBsooner can start a copyright claim against them too. Jan 20 10:10:24 i like how their slogan is "the most powerful and professional forum on the internet" Jan 20 10:10:56 there's a saying that if you need to say that you're a lady, then you're not. Jan 20 10:11:57 is that like saying "I'm the most modest person on the planet" Jan 20 11:15:23 hi Jan 20 11:32:55 hello, I am about to leave for a two weeks trip abroad, and it painfully came to my mind the the pre has no real voip/SIP client... Voxofon is US only and uses the data plan rather than wifi, which makes it a veryvery expensive alternative when going abroad Jan 20 11:33:26 is there any sdk limitation for this, or will just need more patience in order to see a client arrive? Jan 20 11:33:51 there is no access to the mic in the sdk Jan 20 11:34:45 rwhitby: hmm. how does this unofficial Google Voice client work, if this is not possible? Jan 20 11:34:59 google calls you Jan 20 11:35:08 on a normal cellular call Jan 20 11:35:22 ah... Jan 20 11:36:00 hmm, Ok, but Palm is aware that this is a serious flaw, isn't it? So there *will* be mic access soon? Jan 20 11:36:20 or an official app provided by Palm? Jan 20 11:37:02 rwhitby: and what about Voxofon? How do they access the microphone? Jan 20 11:37:06 they've made no announcemnents either way Jan 20 11:37:30 I suspect they do the same as google Jan 20 11:38:00 I am sure this is a top item on the wishlist of many people, along with syncml... Jan 20 11:38:08 thanks for the information, rwhitby Jan 20 11:38:34 I'm sure it is. Have you posted a message on the Palm forums to let them know? Jan 20 11:39:51 not yet, will do so. I mean, if there is no plan to add this within the next half year or so, I will likely drop the Pre in favor of an Android phone. I am unwilling to put up with the lack of a decent wifi voip client for sip... Jan 20 11:40:31 but then again, why would they care if it's just me asking for it :) Jan 20 11:41:52 if they don't care that it's just you asking for it, why would they care if you're leaving for Android ;-) Jan 20 11:50:06 that's my point, exactly. But nevertheless I think it's a fact that the Pre can't compete with neither the iBrick nor any Android phone or the new Maemo devices in that respect. And not even announcing to fix this shortcoming is like digging a deep grave. Jan 20 11:51:22 as much as I like the usability of the pre, there is still room for improvement. Personally, I could no longer live without the decent amount of patches provided via Preware. Jan 20 11:52:17 how come you need a voip Jan 20 11:52:22 when the pre is a phone Jan 20 11:52:23 already Jan 20 11:52:52 ? is that a real question? Ever been abroad and used your phone and had a look at your bill after? Jan 20 11:53:15 oh Jan 20 11:53:22 you go overseas often? Jan 20 11:53:51 not every day. but if I do which is several times a year, I'd like to be able to use this in year 2010 Jan 20 11:54:19 I am living in Germany close to the Swiss and French border. Border crossing and thus roaming happens a lot over here Jan 20 11:54:37 oh Jan 20 11:54:47 can't you get a different cell phone company Jan 20 11:54:51 that lets you roam for free Jan 20 11:54:57 tell me one Jan 20 11:55:02 i don't know Jan 20 11:55:04 i'm in america Jan 20 11:55:05 there is none Jan 20 11:56:07 i thought in europe Jan 20 11:56:13 since all the countries are close together Jan 20 11:56:18 if the web os sdk won't allow this the pre won't be able to compete against Android and Maemo phones. Jan 20 11:56:22 it be common for plans to have roaming Jan 20 11:56:41 Towzzer: European telcos are like the mafia. And the German ones even more so :) Jan 20 11:57:51 oh Jan 20 11:58:04 since the cheapes voice flat *in* Germany already is about 50EUR, I don't want to know what a roaming flat would cost Jan 20 12:00:07 what's your plan now Jan 20 12:00:08 I mean, come on, there's wifi built in, there's a microphone built in. There is no fundamenta reason not to be able to create a good sip client for the phone :) Jan 20 12:00:23 what is sip Jan 20 12:00:49 wikipedia will tell you. Jan 20 12:01:02 wikipedia knows all Jan 20 12:01:02 hey cryptk Jan 20 12:01:08 sup Towzzer Jan 20 12:01:10 how ya been Jan 20 12:01:15 i've been doing a crypt walk Jan 20 12:01:18 :D Jan 20 12:01:22 haha Jan 20 12:01:46 even though my name is for cryptic (and not the gang) lol Jan 20 12:01:56 shhhhhhh Jan 20 12:02:49 damada in germany do they give you a discount on the phone Jan 20 12:02:49 and it was CryptKeeper when I first came up wth the alias years and years ago... then it became cryptk (for cryptic) as well as a throwback to my original online alias Jan 20 12:02:51 for signing a contract Jan 20 12:03:04 when i was a kid i used to be so scared of the cryptkeeper Jan 20 12:03:09 so what is going on in the webos-internals land tonight? Jan 20 12:03:39 crypt is there a feeds website so i can see what's new without getting my phone Jan 20 12:03:57 Towzzer: yes. Preware is all rdf/rss I believe Jan 20 12:04:07 what's the link Jan 20 12:04:23 dunno Jan 20 12:04:29 I believe preware knows the URLs though Jan 20 12:04:29 do you want feeds for preware or for the app catalog? Jan 20 12:04:37 preware Jan 20 12:04:55 preware itself doesn't have a feed, it pulls in feeds from other places Jan 20 12:05:25 just watch preware as it starts up and you will see it list off all of the feed locations as it pulls them down Jan 20 12:08:40 and then transcribe them really fast Jan 20 12:08:43 :/ Jan 20 12:11:01 ipkg.preware.org/feeds Jan 20 12:11:20 yay Jan 20 12:12:03 how come there are listing for os versions that aren't out yet Jan 20 12:12:57 we like to guess Jan 20 12:14:33 everytime an update comes out I get so fustrated I have to uninstall all my patches Jan 20 12:15:35 you'll be looking forward to aupt then Jan 20 12:15:41 what's the actual definition for a valid appinfo.json? Jan 20 12:16:14 My apps usually show app as "A webos application" or something Jan 20 12:16:24 in WebOSQuickInstall for example Jan 20 12:17:06 MetaView: actually, that's from the ipkg control file. palm-package does a poor job of creating one. Jan 20 12:17:47 Preware shows them correctly. Jan 20 12:18:55 ok Jan 20 12:21:04 Towzzer: no, not really, no discount. I also don't need that, I just have the feeling that a good voip sip client for wifi would be a good feature. A really good one Jan 20 12:23:48 in fact this is the only thing why I envy my flatmate for his N900 and my colleague for his iPhone Jan 20 12:24:14 I've been thinking about it, because the reaction that no mic access somehow affects adoption of the Prē seems silly to me... But the more I thought about it, the more that seems right to me. There's all kinds of cool things you could do with mic access. Some silly (osilliscope) some practical (sip) some handy (voice notes)... Jan 20 12:25:05 the C PDK doesn't have mic access support? Couldn't you ask pulseaudio for it? Jan 20 12:25:19 or DBus or something... Jan 20 12:25:39 I guess nobody really knows what'll be in there yet, do they.... Jan 20 12:25:42 the PDK should have it Jan 20 12:26:11 Maybe I could write a sound recorder... Jan 20 12:26:27 there already is one - Precorder Jan 20 12:26:53 right, but also for Video, or? Jan 20 12:27:07 they said video is coming in the feb update iirc Jan 20 12:27:31 Precorder works for both video and audio. Jan 20 12:27:52 does it have an audio service beneath? Jan 20 12:28:09 All I need for my own needs is volume control Jan 20 12:30:15 if they allowed a voip program, wouldn't that allow you to talk forever Jan 20 12:30:17 on the unlimited data Jan 20 12:30:29 and not have to pay for more minutes Jan 20 12:30:35 yes, it would do that Jan 20 12:30:45 so wouldn't the phone company be mad Jan 20 12:30:57 probably Jan 20 12:31:00 but not immediately Jan 20 12:31:07 MetaView: Precorder is open source - take a look for yourself. Jan 20 12:31:22 hm :) Jan 20 13:24:31 xcomp ping Jan 20 13:45:05 rwhitby: old repository, commit 17f713a216b285bd6cd6daf8c0001e499204b57b seems to be it. Spawn_check, Spawn_kill, Spawn_delete. can remote them and terminal is happy, but then I believe we leak threads :( Jan 20 13:45:16 s/remote/remove/ Jan 20 13:45:16 destinal meant: rwhitby: old repository, commit 17f713a216b285bd6cd6daf8c0001e499204b57b seems to be it. Spawn_check, Spawn_kill, Spawn_delete. can remove them and terminal is happy, but then I believe we leak threads :( Jan 20 13:45:30 I just love debugging across threads Jan 20 13:46:00 destinal: did you see the mobile-files.com is infringing on your copyright? Jan 20 13:46:08 oh? Jan 20 13:46:22 there's cricket ROM for sale for $200, which includes Terminal Jan 20 13:46:47 and no source being offered I assume Jan 20 13:47:16 destinal: correct Jan 20 13:47:36 rwhitby: thanks for the heads-up Jan 20 13:51:12 rwhitby: is crcket a mobile phone provider in the US? Jan 20 13:51:42 How can someone offer a Pre ROM vor Sale as it is copyrightet by Palm? Jan 20 13:51:59 hape_: illegally, that's how Jan 20 13:52:28 ok, that is what I expected. SO a samll mail to Palm could be a hint too or? Jan 20 13:53:09 bbl Jan 20 13:58:30 do you guys listen to mp3s on your phone? is there a way to do playlists? Jan 20 13:58:51 try musicplayer remix Jan 20 14:12:55 Thanks, FreeTim. It is all your fault. Jan 20 14:13:20 hey is greg back? Jan 20 14:14:03 someone made a very large commit to the messagin plugin git 3 hours ago Jan 20 14:14:51 jettero: there will be playlist support when i make my xmms2 client :D Jan 20 14:19:43 PuffTheMagic_: wheres my terminal? Jan 20 14:23:12 that's my line Jan 20 14:23:30 zsoc: its in git Jan 20 14:23:48 PuffTheMagic_: is it stable/fast? Jan 20 14:23:58 Towzzer: what do you do exactly? Jan 20 14:24:08 its pretty fast (would be even better with GLES) Jan 20 14:24:10 its fairly stable Jan 20 14:24:21 i get a "Illegal Instruction" crash every once and a while Jan 20 14:24:22 idk why Jan 20 14:24:31 all the keybindings are not finnished yet Jan 20 14:24:40 some other little issues Jan 20 14:25:05 ok, so good progress :) Jan 20 14:25:43 I need to decide on a project. I think I'm going to look into filetype support finally. a package of stable, backported bugfixed gst plugins. Jan 20 14:33:40 morning all Jan 20 14:33:44 ... "some other little issues" sounds like the disclaimer you get during pharmaceutical ads on TV. "Running this application may cause temporary disorientation, dry mouth, and prolonged lack of sexual function. In certain rare cases (20% of the time), patients running this application experience sudden death. If you die, please stop running the application and contact the vendor." Jan 20 14:34:03 lol Jan 20 14:34:26 love it when i come in right at the end of clearly awesome conversations Jan 20 14:34:40 Anyone have any comments on the messaging plugin? Jan 20 14:34:49 Is it any good? Jan 20 14:35:04 i hang out Jan 20 14:35:06 make bad jokes Jan 20 14:39:38 zsoc: i have lots of projects u can help on Jan 20 14:40:17 are there adapters that convert the normal 1/8 jack that headsets use to the 1/4 jack for the pre Jan 20 14:40:25 that works with headsets with microphones Jan 20 14:41:06 any generic headphone adapter should work for that Towzzer - just make sure it's stereo and not mono type Jan 20 14:41:28 i thought there were 4 contacts Jan 20 14:41:31 mic/left/right/ground Jan 20 14:41:38 they even make right-angle ones of that type (just go to any music accessory online store or ebay) Jan 20 14:41:47 nt4cats|work: yeah Terminus might give you upset stomach, Diarrhea and itchy pubes Jan 20 14:42:43 Towzzer: 4 contacts sounds proprietary Jan 20 14:42:49 oh Jan 20 14:42:54 no, sorry it's like this Jan 20 14:43:04 A headset with a microphone has an 'extra' contact Jan 20 14:43:05 the pre has a 1/8 jack that is left/right/ground Jan 20 14:43:06 i''ve only seen 4 connectors on Toshiba laptops Jan 20 14:43:09 and ipots Jan 20 14:43:10 ipods Jan 20 14:43:10 the headset is mono/mic/ground Jan 20 14:43:16 for video out with audio Jan 20 14:43:20 has anyone used a headset on the pre? Jan 20 14:43:29 I have a stereo headset I use with my pre. It has an 'extra' contact Jan 20 14:43:48 it's sold with an stereo headset Jan 20 14:43:50 compare the plug for a stereo headset (with mic) to a 'normal' pair of stereo headphones Jan 20 14:43:55 at least in Germany Jan 20 14:44:19 nt4cats it has a microphone? Jan 20 14:44:22 the headset Jan 20 14:47:18 Towzzer: did you just say the pre uses a 1/4" jack?! Jan 20 14:47:32 no it uses 1/8 Jan 20 14:47:33 sorry Jan 20 14:47:48 http://imgur.com/V9Phc Jan 20 14:48:15 +zsoc: was it you that told me yesterday what input device the pre's accelerometer is? Jan 20 14:48:20 Towzzer: 3.5mm, the 'standard' headset jack is 2.5 Jan 20 14:48:21 that is a pair of "normal" headphones (on the right), and a stereo phone headset Jan 20 14:48:33 ryan_gahl: in SDL it's 'joystick' :p Jan 20 14:48:53 awesome Jan 20 14:49:04 The stereo headset has an extra 'line' in the plug that is the connector for the microphone Jan 20 14:49:33 "stereo headset" == stereo headphones + microphone for cellphones Jan 20 14:49:49 i have a 2.5mm headset Jan 20 14:50:09 I have an adapter to connect a 2.5mm headset to my pre Jan 20 14:50:14 anyone using optware bootstrap... have a q about filesystems... looks like it places on /var yet still has a mount point to /media/cryptofs/apps/opt... is there a reason /opt is still physically on /var? Jan 20 14:50:31 I hate using it because it adds an extra 1/2 inch to the size of the plug sticking in to the top of my phone. Jan 20 14:59:09 it has 4 contacts Jan 20 14:59:23 iphone pinout Jan 20 14:59:29 left right ground mic Jan 20 14:59:57 hi destinal :D Jan 20 15:00:05 destinal-wirc1: it's ok. I didn't bother going there :p same as blackberry too Jan 20 15:00:19 Towzzer: what exactly were you apologizing for? Jan 20 15:00:56 i don't know Jan 20 15:00:57 i aplogize alot Jan 20 15:01:14 Towzzer: are you sorry for apologizing? Jan 20 15:01:37 yes Jan 20 15:01:40 i'm sorry for sorryz Jan 20 15:05:26 Towzzer: you can apologize for saying alot Jan 20 15:05:34 a -------------------- lot Jan 20 15:05:38 2 words Jan 20 15:06:07 I say alot many times Jan 20 15:06:09 you know what, just don't use the word 'lot'. Jan 20 15:06:12 i'm much sorry Jan 20 15:06:47 I'm just joking around :p Jan 20 15:08:47 hello all... i have a question pertaining to email accounts on the pre - is this an OK channel in which to ask? Jan 20 15:09:52 hi Jan 20 15:09:57 welcome to pre help Jan 20 15:10:00 what's the question Jan 20 15:10:04 did every1 just get booted from freenode? Jan 20 15:11:23 no Jan 20 15:11:29 Towzzer - lately my Yahoo acct keeps showing me the /!\ triangle icon... and prior to that, it worked just fine since August. Not sure what changed, but it's not updating properly. Jan 20 15:11:42 guess just me - hmm, stupid bitpipes must be clogged Jan 20 15:12:08 something wrong with the settings Jan 20 15:12:20 did yahoo maybe turn off imap or pop access Jan 20 15:12:21 and you need to set it Jan 20 15:16:36 Towzzer - I have not changed settings... even removed the account, and added it back. same issue Jan 20 15:16:44 I mean online, at yahoo Jan 20 15:21:14 many have reported issues with both yahoo I'm and email Jan 20 15:21:57 RWings19: you may want to try #webos , as they are more geared towards official documentation Jan 20 15:27:42 so what was with the apologies? did it have to do with four conductor headset cables? Jan 20 15:28:58 btw if anyone knows a good deal on iphone/pre headsets I need a replacement Jan 20 15:30:31 ... sorry. Jan 20 15:30:42 Gilllllyyy Jan 20 15:31:31 test Jan 20 15:31:56 gillllyyyyyyy, ha Jan 20 15:32:10 destinal-wirc: I c u :p Jan 20 15:33:05 zsoc: thx. wirc sometimes leaves you with a silent channel wondering if you're online Jan 20 15:33:49 since it can drop connect silently Jan 20 15:33:52 destinal-wirc: wifi + nodoze dos the trick for ne Jan 20 15:33:57 s/ne/me Jan 20 15:34:40 unfortunately not staying within range of wifi long enough Jan 20 15:35:00 must rely on evdo and wirc isn't great there Jan 20 15:35:10 <+infobot> what +zsoc meant to say was "wifi + nodoze doz the trick for me... and hookers" Jan 20 15:35:29 lol Jan 20 15:35:32 hi, anybody out there who can help me with software installation problems since upgrading to webos 1.3.5.2 Jan 20 15:35:33 zsoc!! Jan 20 15:35:42 ... Jan 20 15:35:49 :p Jan 20 15:36:01 hawiwo: run the emergency migration helper Jan 20 15:36:02 ok, i admit i'm loopy tired Jan 20 15:36:28 sounded like a bender quote Jan 20 15:36:34 heh Jan 20 15:37:03 no i want to watch the Futurama movie Jan 20 15:37:05 now* Jan 20 15:41:42 hawiwo what sort of problems? Jan 20 15:43:45 futurama season 6 starts up again Jan 20 15:43:48 soon Jan 20 15:44:31 oh i read the description of the emergency migration helper and it seems to solve some (hopefully all) my installation and upgrade problems .. thanks Jan 20 15:44:50 i will see Jan 20 16:13:06 this comment is just to test if my irc client is still alive. please ignore it (much like any other comments I make ...) Jan 20 16:13:14 hi Jan 20 16:16:14 nt4cats|work: about that comment you just made, could you clarify Jan 20 16:18:18 egaudet_work: sorry, it is not pre-related. I did something bizarre to my linux box and really annoyed KDE, wanted to make sure I hadn't killed my app(s), too. Jan 20 16:18:57 I was just messing since you said to ignore it I couldn't :P. Jan 20 16:19:41 egaudet_work: I rarely figure out that people here have a sense of humor Jan 20 16:20:06 I assumed you were worried that I had found a bug in wirc Jan 20 16:20:10 :o Jan 20 16:21:25 :P that wouldn't surprise me, development on wirc crashed into a brick wall Jan 20 16:25:28 nt4cats: is your nick related to a charity you back where windows NT boxes are donated to poor unfortunate cats that can't afford them? Jan 20 16:25:33 :p Jan 20 16:26:30 :P:P Jan 20 16:28:21 ubuntu4cats: lol Jan 20 16:28:27 i was thinking the same thing Jan 20 16:28:44 or just "new technology for cats" Jan 20 16:29:24 ryan_gahl_: the nickname made sense 13 years ago ... it became my online handle everywhere. It is too expensive (in terms of pain-in-the-ass) to change it. Jan 20 16:30:28 i understand that, is why i just go by my name, which i get picked on for sometimes too ;) -- sorry, just couldn't resist Jan 20 16:31:16 I was an OS/2 guy, originally (I'm old). My IRC nickname was os2cat (as in cool hipster os2 guy). I got a new job that required me to do NT4 development, I was going to change my nick to nt4cat -- but thought "nt4cats" was funny (and I had unexpectedly become a cat owner at right about the same time) ... Jan 20 16:31:52 heh Jan 20 16:32:03 remember the cuecat? Jan 20 16:32:14 OS/2, yep your old - i remember the commercials Jan 20 16:32:29 s/your/you're Jan 20 16:32:31 Towzzer: I do, I do. It almost made me want to go get Forbes magazine (they were a/the big CueCat proponent) Jan 20 16:32:53 of I do not have a Sprint phone number or (MSL= 6 digit lock code or MDN and MSID, am I shit out of luck with Meta-Doctor? Jan 20 16:32:59 of = if Jan 20 16:33:13 this is a freaking nightmare.... Jan 20 16:33:17 meta doctor requires that? Jan 20 16:34:01 LoneStar: I don't know for sure -- but I don't think that the guy who wrote the meta-doctor has/had a Sprint phone number ... Jan 20 16:35:45 LoneStar: ... but I've never used it so I cannot help you other than to provide that comment, sorry. Jan 20 16:36:06 If I can't get this to work, will sell the Pre... if anyone one wants it. Jan 20 16:37:01 where did you get it? Jan 20 16:37:50 ebay 36 hours ago, it is in great shape, but will not activate it with sprint, only need to test some apps Jan 20 16:38:01 put it seems impossible at this point Jan 20 16:38:06 why Jan 20 16:38:18 you meta doctored Jan 20 16:38:32 first attempt failed at 40% Jan 20 16:38:51 the meta-doctor failed? Jan 20 16:38:58 does a regular doctor work? Jan 20 16:40:38 LoneStar99: if you don't want to associate a palm profile at all, you don't need metadoctor, you can just novaterm in at between 18% and 54% and tocuh /var/luna/preferences/ran-first-use Jan 20 16:40:41 you don't really need the MSL unless you're trying to connect onto Sprint's network with meta doctor Jan 20 16:41:14 s/and t/of the doctor progress and t/ Jan 20 16:41:15 destinal meant: LoneStar99: if you don't want to associate a palm profile at all, you don't need metadoctor, you can just novaterm in at between 18% and 54% of the doctor progress and tocuh /var/luna/preferences/ran-first-use Jan 20 16:41:48 "touch /var/luna/preferences/ran-first-use" Jan 20 16:41:55 at the command line Jan 20 16:42:24 all I want is to use my pre to test via wifi mode, I want nothing to do with sprint Jan 20 16:42:37 why do you hate sprint :D Jan 20 16:42:39 LoneStar99: right but do you want a palm profile or not? Jan 20 16:42:43 their customer service sucks Jan 20 16:43:12 what i need to get the app store working an wifi Jan 20 16:43:23 then you really should use metadoctor Jan 20 16:43:24 palm profile Jan 20 16:43:37 palm profile is needed for that Jan 20 16:43:44 but he says meta doctor locks on him at 40% Jan 20 16:44:13 LoneStar99: did you run the modified doctor with java -jar whatever-doctor-filename.jar ? Jan 20 16:44:20 if you do that you can see the output as it goes Jan 20 16:44:26 see what errors it might generate Jan 20 16:44:52 yeah brb - downloading a older version of the rom that matches what is in the palm Jan 20 16:45:11 you should be able to metadoctor with 1.3.5.1 Jan 20 16:45:21 it failed.... Jan 20 16:45:33 right but if it failed, run it again at commandline with java -jar jarname Jan 20 16:45:33 it shouldn't matter what's on the device. Jan 20 16:45:48 it SHOULD succeed and if not, we need to see what the error is Jan 20 16:45:54 ok let me try again Jan 20 16:45:57 and you can't see that when you just doubleclick it Jan 20 16:46:06 you have to run it java -jar filename Jan 20 16:46:13 and watch its output Jan 20 16:46:56 you'll see all the steps that the doctor performs on the device which are normally hidden Jan 20 16:46:57 where do i run it from cmd prompt? Jan 20 16:47:11 LoneStar99: just cd into the directory where you have the modified doctor image Jan 20 16:47:27 LoneStar99: and run java -jar doctorfilename.jar (or whatever) Jan 20 16:47:43 right now I see a large exclamation point "www.palm.com/ROM/ on the pre Jan 20 16:47:43 if it's windows, then at cmd prompt is fine Jan 20 16:48:24 the same thing works on any platform really, just from whatever passes for a command line on that platform. cd to the right dir, and java -jar Jan 20 16:48:56 LoneStar99: you need to boot recovery mode Jan 20 16:49:08 destinal: you see that joker on mobile-files selling a Pre "ROM" to get it working on Cricket? Jan 20 16:49:27 LoneStar99: power it off (pull battery if need be) and hold volume up while plugging in USB to PC Jan 20 16:49:50 a big USB logo should appear Jan 20 16:50:47 morning :) Jan 20 16:50:49 then you can run the modified doctor image the way I described Jan 20 16:50:55 dtzWill: morning Jan 20 16:51:05 ok alrge usb icon apperaing Jan 20 16:51:13 (make sure the battery is back in) Jan 20 16:51:21 destinal: He includes "Terminal" in the ROM.. and also the preware-bootstrap script. And sells it for $200. Jan 20 16:51:26 yeah in Jan 20 16:51:47 dBsooner: yeah, selling our work without even giving out the source code. lame. Jan 20 16:51:58 destinal: I fully agree. Jan 20 16:52:24 GPL doesn't prevent selling it, as such, but he'd have to give out the source for any GPL stuff Jan 20 16:52:25 destinal: If my lawyer friends weren't so busy, I'd have them write up a quick GPL violation letter to send them. Jan 20 16:53:02 Right, which would mean he wouldn't really be able to sell it.. because everyone would be able to download the source for free. Under GPL. Jan 20 16:53:36 dBsooner: downside is he could give out a mix of free and non free stuff in the same distribution Jan 20 16:53:39 like palm does Jan 20 16:53:46 True. Jan 20 16:53:52 I just think it's sad. Jan 20 16:54:07 destinal: it is saying "Unable to access jarfile pre-p100eww-sprint-1.3.5.1.jar" Jan 20 16:54:34 dBsooner: so my way of striking back, I think, will be to make free and open source carrier patches Jan 20 16:54:35 :) Jan 20 16:54:49 LOL Jan 20 16:54:53 I'm in! Jan 20 16:55:08 eliminate the relevance of shady modders Jan 20 16:55:54 You know.. I just thought of something destinal. Jan 20 16:55:56 also I have friends / family who bought some of these not realizing they were getting locked in to getting updates from these jokers for more cash Jan 20 16:56:01 that has to end. Jan 20 16:56:03 any notepad++ users? is there an auto indent plugin for shell? Jan 20 16:56:04 He is selling PALM WebOS. Jan 20 16:56:15 dBsooner: yup, palm can go after him as well Jan 20 16:56:18 That would be against way more than just GPL violation. Jan 20 16:56:26 not really Jan 20 16:56:34 copyright violation is copyright violation whether gpl or no Jan 20 16:56:44 he's just violated ours AND palm's copyright Jan 20 16:57:14 dBsooner: have a q about filesystems... looks like it places on /var yet still has a mount point to /media/cryptofs/apps/opt... is there a reason /opt is still physically on /var? Jan 20 16:57:25 ~seen zsoc Jan 20 16:57:26 zsoc is currently on #webos-internals (2h 44m 26s). Has said a total of 63 messages. Is idling for 1h 21m 25s, last said: 'hawiwo: run the emergency migration helper'. Jan 20 16:57:32 destinal: I betchya that palm has better lawyers than you do .. Jan 20 16:57:42 1 sec Jan 20 16:57:47 nt4cats|work... /me points at bhern. Jan 20 16:57:51 dBsooner: u involved in optware bootstrap, yes? Jan 20 16:57:57 nt4cats|work: yeah I agree that in terms of guns, palm was the far worse one to violate Jan 20 16:58:16 xorg: i am involved in most of the bootstraps. let me look. Jan 20 16:58:51 destinal: fails at 54% "INFO: device runner done Jan 20, 2010 8:57:29 com.palm.nova.installer.recoverytool.CardController runnerFinished WARNING: flashing failed, move to failed card Jan 20 16:58:53 just wondering if /opt can be put physically in cryptofs... looks like it puts in physically on /var Jan 20 17:00:09 why does outlook have to have such terrible IMAP support... I switched to it cause it works great for the pre, but geez. I'm using thunderbird now, which unfortunately has many quirks of its own I don't like (search is annoying, can't show remote content without adding as a contact, etc) Jan 20 17:04:05 dbSooner: i'm considering to script out a way ot move /opt physically to /media/cryptofs but checking if you guys aren't doing it for some reason Jan 20 17:04:46 xorg: I think it has to do with how cryptofs can't do symlinking or something Jan 20 17:04:56 I can't remember exactly, rwhitby made the call on it. Jan 20 17:05:07 rwhitby is the main person for the optware bootstrap and reasoning. Jan 20 17:05:58 hmm... you're right... i thought it did linking but just tried again and it doesnt Jan 20 17:06:14 Yeah, that was the problem with it. :) Jan 20 17:06:47 i'm getting ready to release xorg tools which will heavily dig into using optware packages... might have to create a virtual filesystem on /media as I don't want to hog up /var Jan 20 17:07:09 Not much else goes in /var though Jan 20 17:07:42 i'm already eating 64MB in /opt and just getting started... email is still storing on /var, which could be 100MB Jan 20 17:07:43 but yeah, if you create a different style FUSE in media, you could symlink to it Jan 20 17:08:13 i'll probably do /opt on vfs as an option at a later time... Jan 20 17:10:55 LoneStar99: interesting, what happened before that? Jan 20 17:11:07 seems FUSE is what is limiting the linking... just tried chmod +s, also not allowed Jan 20 17:11:26 xorg: not really, I think it's that cryptofs is vfat Jan 20 17:11:50 since it's just a layer on top of the /media/internals vfat partition Jan 20 17:12:02 i'll do a vfs then Jan 20 17:12:38 fuse maps it as ext3 though in /etc/mtab Jan 20 17:13:35 xorg: but it can't actually BE ext3 right, since the fuse is hitting vfat and doesn't AFAIK have the capability to encode the special attributes any way Jan 20 17:14:11 gotcha, i knew of vfat limitiations but fugured fuse was emulated on top, guess not Jan 20 17:14:14 I think, in essence, it's vfat, anything that works on /media/internal works on /media/cryptofs, but anything that doesn't won't Jan 20 17:14:40 xorg: I think the things it emulates are fairly limited to crypto on the files, filenames, etc Jan 20 17:14:52 i'm going to bounce vfs approach to rod, see if he has better idea... i just don't like idea of hogging up /var with optware Jan 20 17:15:43 what sucks are creating a vfs is that it's a fixed size... would love to find a way to dynamically use /media Jan 20 17:17:03 destinal: http://pastebin.org/79275 Jan 20 17:18:24 bah idk why i keep d/c'ing. got a new router yesterday, wonder if that was it :(. Jan 20 17:18:34 zsoc|away: did you say something? :/ Jan 20 17:19:02 (no he didn't) Jan 20 17:19:39 VincentLaw: ty Jan 20 17:20:32 wow quake is smooth on the Pre Jan 20 17:21:00 LoneStar99: can you pastebin more? Jan 20 17:21:17 if only luna was written in that 3D engine Jan 20 17:22:10 destinal: http://pastebin.org/79282 Jan 20 17:22:14 um what is Cricket? Jan 20 17:22:17 ~Cricket Jan 20 17:22:19 System for monitoring trends in time-series data. URL: http://www.munitions.com/~jra/cricket/ Jan 20 17:22:30 ? Jan 20 17:22:36 yep monitoring Jan 20 17:22:37 Cricket = a carrier. Jan 20 17:22:41 ohhh Jan 20 17:23:20 dBsooner: how do you know he has preware-bootstrap too? Jan 20 17:24:43 egaudet_work: Because Rod said so. And Rod knows all. Jan 20 17:25:10 lol Jan 20 17:25:39 so what's he selling pre-flashed Pres? doctor images? Jan 20 17:26:05 LoneStar99: hmm, looks like the unmount fails Jan 20 17:26:13 may be something to do with the metadoctor Jan 20 17:26:33 egaudet_work: just the rom Jan 20 17:26:35 gonna try version 1.3.1 Jan 20 17:26:35 have you been able to use the original doctor of the same version on it successfully (not that this would help you get into the device, I know) Jan 20 17:26:45 egaudet_work: check your @yahoo Jan 20 17:26:57 originally yes Jan 20 17:27:07 it also failed once but then worked Jan 20 17:28:16 hi, my installation problems with are getting worse! after running the emergency migration helper, preware returns "Error installing:See IPKG Log" on every installation attempt Jan 20 17:29:20 dtzWill: ping Jan 20 17:29:29 hawiwo: try Emergency Patch Recovery instead Jan 20 17:29:40 ok Jan 20 17:29:54 zsoc: pong Jan 20 17:30:18 dtzWill: ok, now my random absences make more sense Jan 20 17:30:23 dtzWill: what's up? Jan 20 17:30:41 zsocwerkin: nm, just poking at vba some more. you said you had news of a mixed good/bad sort? :) Jan 20 17:34:29 LoneStar99: failed once but worked? weird Jan 20 17:35:09 LoneStar99: maybe your idea of trying to doctor an older version and then the new metadoctor isn't that bad an idea. maybe like a 1.2.x version from a wiki link Jan 20 17:36:07 LoneStar99: hmmm INFO: Trenchcoat: Unable to run /sbin/tcpostflash.sh. Jan 20 17:36:12 that may be the issue Jan 20 17:37:12 LoneStar99: also the older doctors may have less issues with metadoctor Jan 20 17:37:24 if you try modifying them they may work (just more testing) Jan 20 17:37:29 I'll try metadoctoring my pre to 1.3.5.1 and see if I can reproduce the issue Jan 20 17:38:17 rwhitby: http://pastebin.org/79282 (for when you're on later, potential metadoctor issue) Jan 20 17:41:48 destinal: ok thanks wiring an older metadoctor will be on later when I run the older version Jan 20 17:51:25 ON THE BALL, HAHA I GET IT NOW Jan 20 17:53:46 zsocwerkin: just now? Jan 20 17:53:59 It's like 'call the ball' Jan 20 17:54:31 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/225692-palm-pre-cricket.html Jan 20 17:55:05 time to close a thread. Jan 20 17:55:55 * dBsooner flexes his moderator powers. Jan 20 17:56:18 destinal: we have seen rare errors with unmounting during normal use too (never have seen it during doctor) Jan 20 18:01:30 they are giving me an office at RPI :D Jan 20 18:01:52 PuffTheMagic_: cool Jan 20 18:02:22 i need to get my id swipe card and keys though Jan 20 18:02:41 PuffTheMagic_: are you working there? Jan 20 18:02:54 or did someone just give you an office? Jan 20 18:03:05 destinal: well im a graduate student there Jan 20 18:03:09 ah Jan 20 18:03:10 cool Jan 20 18:03:14 so i "work" for them doing research Jan 20 18:13:52 boo, disappointed in Abyssul's patch. I expected it to vibrate on SMS, which the patch name says. but it vibrates on any IM :/ Jan 20 18:16:37 VincentLaw: at least it doesn't vibrate on e-mails Jan 20 18:17:28 Palm really needs to add more types of sounds Jan 20 18:19:39 you mean for things besides e_mails? Jan 20 18:20:07 I mean ringtones? Jan 20 18:21:15 can you use alsa to acess the mic? Jan 20 18:29:00 i'm playing witha nexus one right now Jan 20 18:29:06 you can really tell the difference in resolution Jan 20 18:29:14 can sdl control recording also or do you have to use alsa /pulse Jan 20 18:30:08 Towzzer: quick, port webos to iy Jan 20 18:30:10 it Jan 20 18:30:15 it's os is really nice Jan 20 18:30:16 :) Jan 20 18:30:25 depending on how open it is Jan 20 18:30:27 it's a better phone Jan 20 18:30:33 it's larger, making it easier to hold Jan 20 18:30:40 the touch screen is more acurate Jan 20 18:30:48 the resolution makes everything look very crisp Jan 20 18:30:49 text and such Jan 20 18:32:44 destinal-wirc: they giving me an intel mac book too :D Jan 20 18:32:56 and they ordering me a nice big screen and keyboard for my office Jan 20 18:33:15 and a external hd Jan 20 18:33:39 well everyone in the lab is getting new hds Jan 20 18:33:40 coool Jan 20 18:35:07 i've tried to be mac free for as long as i lived Jan 20 18:35:14 it will soom come to an end Jan 20 18:36:23 puff: it's a unix now Jan 20 18:36:37 not like oldschool macos Jan 20 18:40:56 yeah its just.... Jan 20 18:41:00 ya know Jan 20 18:41:03 a mac Jan 20 18:41:08 overpriced apple? Jan 20 18:41:09 yup Jan 20 18:41:29 Hi, the "Emergency Patch Recovery" and "Emergency Migration Helper" did not solve the preware "Error Installing: See IPKG Log" Jan 20 18:41:34 PuffTheMagic_: pong Jan 20 18:42:01 xcomp: what version of lua did you build edje against? Jan 20 18:42:36 5.1.4 (it's in packages as well) Jan 20 18:42:47 i didnt see it when i looked on git Jan 20 18:42:52 maybe im blind Jan 20 18:42:54 really? Jan 20 18:43:17 i will look again Jan 20 18:43:49 packages/lua/Makefile Jan 20 18:46:20 looks like I accidentally removed it from depends Jan 20 18:46:22 fixing now Jan 20 18:47:10 yeah its there Jan 20 18:47:17 could my currently installed preware 0.9.12 version the problem? 0.9.18 is the latest version. But how do i install it? from command-line? Jan 20 18:47:25 I just updated the Edje makefile so it should build lua automatically now Jan 20 18:48:06 i was having toubles building lua in my gentoo setup Jan 20 18:48:11 i have to compare versions Jan 20 18:48:18 yeah it's not straightforward Jan 20 18:49:04 i had to use some makefile patches from distro packaging Jan 20 18:49:24 it doesn't build shared libs out of the box Jan 20 18:49:44 yeah the gentoo does some tricks for that Jan 20 18:50:18 hmmm save version Jan 20 18:50:19 hawiwo: yes, from command line. use the preware bootstrap Jan 20 18:50:52 Fennec for WebOS? Jan 20 18:53:04 "SEE" ipkg log Jan 20 18:54:00 i wonder when we get pacman for pre Jan 20 18:54:16 en0x: there are some good sdl versions Jan 20 18:54:23 but nothing compares to pacman on mame Jan 20 18:55:10 pacman on mame is the shit! ;) Jan 20 18:56:10 its the only true pacman Jan 20 19:08:48 is preware 0.9.18 for usa use only? every attempt to install something the application catalog comes up with the message "This application is not available in your country" (translated from german) Jan 20 19:09:12 and i get: Jan 20 19:09:22 palm-webos-device / # ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps upgrade Jan 20 19:09:22 Begin installation of de.juergentreml.preqr-web Jan 20 19:09:22 Upgrading de.juergentreml.preqr-web on root from 0.1.3 to 0.1.4... Jan 20 19:09:22 Downloading http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/palm-web/(null) Jan 20 19:09:22 sh: syntax error: "(" unexpected Jan 20 19:09:22 Nothing to be done Jan 20 19:09:29 there was no hint in the doc!? Jan 20 19:09:48 lol (null) Jan 20 19:09:56 Mousey: you can't upgrade app store applications from the command line Jan 20 19:10:08 you have to do it through the app store Jan 20 19:10:24 palm-web is app store? Jan 20 19:10:30 oh, i se Jan 20 19:10:30 e Jan 20 19:10:35 hawiwo: those are apps from palm app catalog feed, which you can turn off if you do not want to see them Jan 20 19:10:47 xcomp: there's actually two apps i can't seem to update Jan 20 19:12:48 using "upgrade" is bad Jan 20 19:39:05 morning Jan 20 19:40:05 destinal-wirc: any idea why that doctor failed? Jan 20 19:40:08 rwhitby: morning Jan 20 19:40:49 there's a script it couldn't run Jan 20 19:41:04 then it failed umount Jan 20 19:41:30 not sure why beyond that which is in pastebin I sent Jan 20 19:50:56 morning rwhitby! Jan 20 19:57:08 anyone else starting to get ads in pandora now? Jan 20 19:59:57 ugh Jan 20 20:00:36 VincentLaw: I've noticed it on their web application version so it was only a matter of time Jan 20 20:00:45 I don't even pay attention to the screen in pandora Jan 20 20:00:50 hey is jstop sufficient for clearing memory for too many cards error$ Jan 20 20:00:52 Kyusaku_: audio ads Jan 20 20:01:08 no, these are visual ads Jan 20 20:01:09 oh wow really? Jan 20 20:01:14 VincentLaw: oh, really? Jan 20 20:01:17 yeah Jan 20 20:01:19 but was there an update? Jan 20 20:01:26 it pops up a box over where the progress bar is Jan 20 20:01:37 so far no actual "ads" showed up, but it's a box that you can "x" to close Jan 20 20:01:41 it's just empty Jan 20 20:01:50 just like any other app with such ads Jan 20 20:01:58 does it pause playback or something Jan 20 20:02:00 no Jan 20 20:02:05 it just covers up the progress bar Jan 20 20:02:13 well that's good at least Jan 20 20:02:19 I'll see if I can get it to do it again and I'll screenshot it Jan 20 20:02:28 (whats the key combo for that again?) Jan 20 20:02:41 hey is jstop sufficient for clearing memory for too many cards error or should I just get the luna restart program Jan 20 20:02:45 orange+Sym+P Jan 20 20:02:59 sryan-wirc: I'd just reboot it Jan 20 20:03:30 after all, how can you open a new program to clear the memory if you're getting the too many cards error :p Jan 20 20:03:31 happens a lot Jan 20 20:03:43 what are you doing? Jan 20 20:04:05 sryan-wirc: it might be Jan 20 20:04:19 one time I saw Luna taking an abnormal amount of memory Jan 20 20:04:40 or more specifically the launcher Jan 20 20:05:17 I've never really ran into the "too many cards" error unless I was either doing some ridiculous amount of screwing around on it, or hadn't restarted the phone in over a week Jan 20 20:05:19 web browsing and streaming radio Jan 20 20:05:25 that's about it Jan 20 20:05:39 occasional wirc and preware Jan 20 20:05:47 if you have a bunch of websites open that'll fill RAM fast Jan 20 20:06:12 well no cards were open and I still got the error Jan 20 20:06:25 Anyone here know bluez fairly well? Is it possible to run it without kernel modules, just point it at a uart? will test tools work? Jan 20 20:06:31 I don't really have that issue :/ Jan 20 20:06:39 it's like all the apps I've used were cached Jan 20 20:07:42 that's not how it's supposed to work. it's supposed to clear any cache when it's out of memory Jan 20 20:07:48 which usually means it's not clearing memory properly Jan 20 20:08:17 can someone tell me the bsic command line to get into optware? I.e. OpenVPN Jan 20 20:09:09 VincentLaw: I see what you are talking about Jan 20 20:09:13 christpunk01: just install it from Preware Jan 20 20:09:21 with the empty ad box Jan 20 20:09:36 the weird thing is, it opens a blank pandora card Jan 20 20:10:00 it's also not a new version of the app Jan 20 20:10:05 it's still the same pandora that's been running Jan 20 20:10:10 for ... weeks at least Jan 20 20:10:14 yeah Jan 20 20:10:19 months actually Jan 20 20:10:35 but it's pretty broken Jan 20 20:10:38 VincentLaw: does pandora source any css from their site? Jan 20 20:10:53 if so that's probably what broke Jan 20 20:10:55 I have no idea Jan 20 20:11:03 it doesn't act like that though destinal Jan 20 20:11:06 I think this requires an update to be working as it should Jan 20 20:11:10 let me show you the screenshots Jan 20 20:11:22 because it doesn't open a browser window, but another Pandora window Jan 20 20:11:27 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/41063/pandora_2010-20-01_150644.png <--example of the "ad box". Jan 20 20:11:35 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/41063/pandora_2010-20-01_150659.png <-- what happens when you click the x Jan 20 20:11:45 and it slides down, by the way Jan 20 20:11:50 so it looks like it's built to do that Jan 20 20:13:43 does it still work okay if you ignore the box? Jan 20 20:13:52 yes, besides the missing progress bar Jan 20 20:13:56 this is what it opens http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/kyusaku/photos-temp-0jpg-2.jpg Jan 20 20:14:06 empty Pandora instance Jan 20 20:14:46 the box doesn't go away if you leave it there or tap the actual box(not the X) Jan 20 20:17:47 destinal: there's a reference in the pandora css to an ad Jan 20 20:17:55 ".nowplaying-ad-cover" Jan 20 20:18:30 VincentLaw: you could patch the app to use a local css instead, download the CSS and remove that element, perhaps? Jan 20 20:18:30 actually I guess I probably shouldn't quote this stuff lawl Jan 20 20:18:49 it's using local css Jan 20 20:19:00 oh, then just try removing it, I suppose Jan 20 20:19:17 I'm curious as to why/how it just started appearing though Jan 20 20:20:27 maybe it is remote css, and they're caching it locally? Jan 20 20:20:32 I'll look into the js I guess :/ Jan 20 20:24:36 ah haaa Jan 20 20:24:37 might be, because Pandora One users should be free of all ads and if they had to deal with them on the Pre that could piss ppl off Jan 20 20:24:38 okay Jan 20 20:24:53 first off, yes, it looks like it has logic to disable ads for premium users Jan 20 20:25:02 second off, the ad urls are done on a per-track basis Jan 20 20:25:19 apparently when it grabs a track, it also gets an ad URL Jan 20 20:25:38 if it receives an ad url, it displays the ad (or at least attempts to) Jan 20 20:25:54 there's also logic in here for audio ads as well >.> Jan 20 20:26:48 the easiest way to disable the ads from what it seems here is to simply make all references of "this.adVisible = true;" to false Jan 20 20:26:52 in nowplaying Jan 20 20:28:05 gonna test this now Jan 20 20:29:23 Kyusaku_, you there? Jan 20 20:29:47 yeah Jan 20 20:30:04 does the adbox appear for you on every song? can you test? Jan 20 20:30:26 hold I never tried closing it Jan 20 20:30:36 restart pandora Jan 20 20:30:40 and see how long it takes to pop up Jan 20 20:30:56 I just left it open to see if it would eventually close on its own Jan 20 20:30:56 I wanna make sure this is actually disabled, and just not luckily appearing lol Jan 20 20:31:03 * rwhitby bbl Jan 20 20:31:30 opening Jan 20 20:32:20 I don't think we can morally patch this anyway though Jan 20 20:32:23 hmm the clipboard $0,99 virtual keyboad is the 12th most downloaded paid app Jan 20 20:32:25 but it's interesting to see how it works Jan 20 20:32:49 egaudet_work: that's pretty sad Jan 20 20:32:53 egaudet_work: a virtual keyboard in a supported app? Jan 20 20:32:59 on catalog? Jan 20 20:33:06 it's the one that you can only type int he app Jan 20 20:33:16 ah Jan 20 20:33:19 destinal: yea it's an app, you type it goes to clipboard you paste it Jan 20 20:33:20 s/int he/in the/ Jan 20 20:33:20 VincentLaw meant: it's the one that you can only type in the app Jan 20 20:33:43 egaudet_work: ah, while that works, it sounds pretty ugly Jan 20 20:34:02 hmmmm it didn't really come up until I turned the screen back on about a min and 1:30 into a song Jan 20 20:34:12 min and 30 Jan 20 20:34:15 yea doesn't sound very convenient Jan 20 20:34:15 but I understand that's all they can do in a catalog app for the moment Jan 20 20:34:31 yea Jan 20 20:34:45 yeah it just appeared for me, so that didn't work Jan 20 20:36:27 it seems to pop up when you bring it out of suspend Jan 20 20:38:15 doom is gret Jan 20 20:38:25 how do you control it? Jan 20 20:38:32 ~doom Jan 20 20:38:34 * infobot stalks vincentlaw, chanting doom on you, doom on you! Jan 20 20:38:41 useless bot Jan 20 20:39:00 Towzzer: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Doom#Operating_notes Jan 20 20:40:13 can pre do that thing iphonedoes Jan 20 20:40:16 so when you tilt it Jan 20 20:40:18 something happens Jan 20 20:40:22 you're right, Kyusaku_: it appears on resuming from locked Jan 20 20:40:33 can it? yes. Jan 20 20:40:40 how precise is it Jan 20 20:40:45 like having doom operate via it Jan 20 20:40:57 as precise as the iphone was Jan 20 20:41:25 not exactly the most comfortable or accurate way to play though Jan 20 20:41:37 i always bring my logitech gamepad Jan 20 20:41:39 with my cell phone :D Jan 20 20:41:43 ohhh that woud be cool Jan 20 20:41:46 usb drivers for gamepads Jan 20 20:42:21 no way to do that currently Jan 20 20:42:28 usb host support isn't working thus far Jan 20 20:42:28 test Jan 20 20:42:41 ryan_gahl: i hear ya :p Jan 20 20:42:44 ryan_gahl: your test failed, sorry. Jan 20 20:42:46 s/test/infbot usage grokking test/ Jan 20 20:42:46 ryan_gahl meant: infbot usage grokking test Jan 20 20:42:54 :P Jan 20 20:42:56 plam's tethering application is downloadable for thos that dont know Jan 20 20:42:59 just installed it Jan 20 20:43:08 phone needs to reboot (which its doing now) Jan 20 20:43:14 destinal: well I found out how to disable the ads, but I'm almost positive it wouldn't be in preware or my best interests to publish and put out the (1 liner) patch to do it :p Jan 20 20:43:28 is it updated Jan 20 20:43:35 i've been using the one from a week ago Jan 20 20:43:49 what? Jan 20 20:43:59 spotter: what? Jan 20 20:44:01 freetether was out as a package Jan 20 20:44:04 no Jan 20 20:44:05 palm's Jan 20 20:44:08 oh Jan 20 20:44:11 uh, where spotter Jan 20 20:44:13 how much does it cost? Jan 20 20:44:16 its in preware Jan 20 20:44:20 takes oyu to app catelog Jan 20 20:44:23 and installable Jan 20 20:44:27 free Jan 20 20:44:39 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/225653-palm-mobile-hotspot-app.html Jan 20 20:44:42 is it the official catalog, or is it a web/beta app Jan 20 20:44:52 blue screen Jan 20 20:44:54 not grey screen Jan 20 20:45:02 so I asume that means official Jan 20 20:45:05 i ponied up the extra $60/mo for the Mifi thing - works awesome on the road Jan 20 20:45:09 cross-compile.git doesn't build forme, getting errors Jan 20 20:45:16 do you have to pay extra Jan 20 20:45:17 with e stuff Jan 20 20:45:35 runs Jan 20 20:45:41 hmm Jan 20 20:45:43 spotter: according ot the thread it was removed immediately so... Jan 20 20:45:55 I just downloaded it Jan 20 20:46:02 I guess I haven't updated my rss feeds Jan 20 20:46:07 but I have the rss cached from last night Jan 20 20:46:20 the feeds are weird Jan 20 20:46:21 well that's probably why Jan 20 20:46:23 yes Jan 20 20:46:29 spotter how does it look Jan 20 20:46:30 but last night you couldn't go to the page in the app catelog Jan 20 20:46:32 can't really install it if we dont have the feed url :p Jan 20 20:46:33 is tethering != pirating (sry for potentially blasphemous question) Jan 20 20:46:52 I can probably get the ipk with a little work Jan 20 20:46:56 like a listing will appear on the RSS like an hour before it's accessible via the Pre App Catalog system Jan 20 20:46:59 but that might be problematic Jan 20 20:47:11 tethering and pirating have nothing to do with each other Jan 20 20:47:11 spotter: that would be useful, but does it work? are you on sprint? Jan 20 20:47:16 yes Jan 20 20:47:22 let me test if it works Jan 20 20:47:41 supports wpa/wpa2 as option Jan 20 20:47:45 or open Jan 20 20:47:46 no wep Jan 20 20:48:02 okay, but does it work, cause I'm curious if it just rejects because of no data tethering plan Jan 20 20:48:12 ah Jan 20 20:48:13 no Jan 20 20:48:14 ooop gotta turn on app catalog feed Jan 20 20:48:16 not w/o a hack Jan 20 20:48:20 "no sharing service" Jan 20 20:48:27 that's what I thought :p Jan 20 20:48:33 sharing an internet connection requires an addition to your mobile service plan. contact your carrier for help" Jan 20 20:48:41 freetether! Jan 20 20:48:42 : Jan 20 20:48:47 still I'd get the ipk, there's a bunch of guys here who'd really like to see how it works with the palm's services Jan 20 20:49:05 Puff might want to get his hands on this Jan 20 20:49:17 where does it download the ipk to? Jan 20 20:49:24 I'll have to camp on that in terminal Jan 20 20:49:40 ping oil see pm Jan 20 20:49:49 rwhitby: hmm.. WIDK seems to be broken in make stage for libdbus Jan 20 20:50:15 I have no idea, Rick_work, do you know where the ipk goes when you download from the app catalog? Jan 20 20:50:16 not sure why this is happening: Jan 20 20:50:16 [ -e libdbus-1.so ] || ln -s libdbus-1.so.3.4.0 libdbus-1.so ) Jan 20 20:50:16 ln: creating symbolic link `libdbus-1.so': File exists Jan 20 20:51:34 ah Jan 20 20:51:39 wherever you're creating the symlink has the file already existing? Jan 20 20:52:08 VincentLaw: right but the test -e is supposed to take care of that. turns out when the link exists but the file it's pointing at doesn't, -e returns false Jan 20 20:52:21 ah Jan 20 20:53:28 what are some ways sprint can find out you use a teathering program Jan 20 20:53:51 Towzzer: if you're using something that does NAT, mainly just high traffic volumes Jan 20 20:54:11 ok, i only browse on my laptop Jan 20 20:54:18 destinal what's your monthly data amount Jan 20 20:54:30 would be easiest for them to either request the list of packages (for known tethering apps) from Palm or what destinal said, high traffic volume Jan 20 20:55:11 Towzzer: it's supposedly unlimited but over certainl levels they have gotten around that by declaring a certain amount of traffic "abuse" Jan 20 20:55:15 where does preware cache rss feeds? Jan 20 20:55:20 or the installer service? Jan 20 20:55:36 destinal how much do you use Jan 20 20:55:42 Towzzer: oh, not sure Jan 20 20:55:46 destinal, ln -sf ? Jan 20 20:56:20 I think someone from palm was spying on me Jan 20 20:56:25 as I cant get it in the app catalog anymore Jan 20 20:56:28 jacques: good idea, but the other question is why are we making a link when something isn't even built Jan 20 20:56:45 lawl Jan 20 20:56:45 destinal, uh, yeah good point Jan 20 20:56:54 I was gonna say I just realized theres a way to get the URL Jan 20 20:56:55 palm is after you Jan 20 20:57:16 how? Jan 20 20:57:22 click the share button Jan 20 20:57:25 on the app catalog page :p Jan 20 20:57:27 ah Jan 20 20:57:28 what's the coolest theme Jan 20 20:57:30 but can't get it right now Jan 20 20:57:48 well if you still have it innstalled, you can get into your cryptofs and at least get the javascript Jan 20 20:57:57 which the guys here would love to see to see how it uses the services Jan 20 20:58:09 yes Jan 20 20:58:21 yeah it'd be a good idea to backup the app as soon as possible Jan 20 20:59:01 cause doesn't Palm have the ability to remove the app remotely Jan 20 20:59:20 spotter is there a pre shaped van outside your house? Jan 20 20:59:21 check! Jan 20 20:59:22 I'm averaging around 570MB/month on my pre, and I don't really do anything too crazy with it... Jan 20 20:59:45 i'm about 500~ also Jan 20 20:59:49 i was curious what people are up to Jan 20 20:59:52 jacques: make clobber && make stage in dbus-lib seems to run through configure, installs headers, then tries to symlink and fails.. do you know what is supposed to but the binary lib there from the doctor? Jan 20 21:00:11 it's com.palm.app.mobilehotspot Jan 20 21:00:25 version 1.0.3 Jan 20 21:00:27 1gb+ sometimes, I stream radio morning and nightly Jan 20 21:00:37 description "This is a webOS application" :) Jan 20 21:00:42 my gf averages 3MB/mnth on her samsung rant... Jan 20 21:00:49 spotter: there's a wiki page on that Jan 20 21:01:00 destinal, not off-hand, and my development laptop isn't on right now :-\ Jan 20 21:02:19 hmm Jan 20 21:03:03 installer is still available! Jan 20 21:03:06 basically Jan 20 21:03:08 in app catalog Jan 20 21:03:09 I have unlimited data on my Pre, but a 5G/month cap on my MiFi from Sprint Jan 20 21:03:10 there's an installer Jan 20 21:03:14 you download it Jan 20 21:03:19 it downloads and installs real app Jan 20 21:03:22 and uninstalls itself Jan 20 21:03:26 so can download installer again Jan 20 21:03:35 spotter: an installer for what? Jan 20 21:03:36 got a url? :p Jan 20 21:04:06 emailing self Jan 20 21:04:08 mobile hotspot Jan 20 21:04:17 spotter: mobilehotspot COMES on your device Jan 20 21:04:23 hmm Jan 20 21:04:26 my sister had a baby Jan 20 21:04:31 destinal, I have a sprint pre Jan 20 21:04:43 destinal: he's talking about the mobile hotspot frontend app Jan 20 21:04:44 spotter: me too. it's there out of the box on 1.3.5 and greater Jan 20 21:04:55 but not enabled. Jan 20 21:05:03 url is this Jan 20 21:05:03 http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.palm.app.mobilehotspotupdatepre&applicationid=1278 Jan 20 21:05:16 but gives error Jan 20 21:05:34 is it still on preware? Jan 20 21:05:40 is that the share url spotter? Jan 20 21:05:43 yes Jan 20 21:05:46 spotter: ah. ok, so maybe there's a hotspot APP that goes with the hotspot service Jan 20 21:05:54 the hotspot service is what we had identified Jan 20 21:06:03 haha Jan 20 21:06:09 destinal: make clobber; make stage works for me in dbus-lib Jan 20 21:06:11 so where does the downloaded ipk get stored Jan 20 21:06:14 I can get it Jan 20 21:06:15 tell me and I'll download it again Jan 20 21:06:19 hmm. that app would be useful to examine Jan 20 21:06:22 that package no longer exists. Jan 20 21:06:39 I just emailed the RSS feed link to myself and clicked it from the pre Jan 20 21:06:43 well he has the javascript at least, cause he installed it :p Jan 20 21:06:48 yes Jan 20 21:06:53 where do ipk's get downloaded? Jan 20 21:06:54 me too, big yellow error page. Jan 20 21:07:02 anyone? Jan 20 21:07:06 spotter, it doesn't matter Jan 20 21:07:12 why not? Jan 20 21:07:21 the APP goes into /media/internal/cryptofs/ Jan 20 21:07:26 spotter: pretty sure it goes to /media/internal/downloads but it goes away fairly quickly after it is installed Jan 20 21:07:27 the ipk gets discarded. Jan 20 21:07:31 /media/cryptofs/apps Jan 20 21:07:42 sorry egaudet_work yep Jan 20 21:07:50 whoa the app restarts your phone? Jan 20 21:08:06 the app has a built in installer Jan 20 21:08:09 the ipk goes into /media/internal/downloads but it is deleted as soon as ipkg finishes with it. Jan 20 21:08:12 uh it works Jan 20 21:08:18 amazing. Jan 20 21:08:23 the package is still available Jan 20 21:08:25 http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.palm.app.mobilehotspotupdatepre&applicationid=1278 <-- this works if you put it in your browser, folks Jan 20 21:08:26 in the catalog Jan 20 21:08:34 (in your PRE's browser) Jan 20 21:08:41 Rick-home, I know Jan 20 21:08:54 the applicationid is 1278 Jan 20 21:08:55 point is to ln -s during install Jan 20 21:08:59 I mean ln Jan 20 21:08:59 in the app catalog Jan 20 21:09:00 or cp it Jan 20 21:09:01 not -s Jan 20 21:09:03 that wont help Jan 20 21:09:15 xcomp: you did the expedite build to cross-compile right? Jan 20 21:09:16 use a share link and change the app id to 1278 Jan 20 21:09:34 that's how I use to look at apps outside the US Jan 20 21:09:42 I only get an error with that link Jan 20 21:10:20 Rick_work: are you putting that in your pre? Jan 20 21:10:28 no desktop. Jan 20 21:10:34 won't work there Jan 20 21:10:36 has to be on your pre Jan 20 21:10:40 copied everything to /media/internal Jan 20 21:10:52 2 seperate apps Jan 20 21:10:53 update app Jan 20 21:10:56 and mobilehotspot app Jan 20 21:12:53 anyone able to grab the original ipk BEFORE it executes? Jan 20 21:12:57 The URL VincentLaw posted above just worked for me. Jan 20 21:13:08 on your pre or on your desktop? Jan 20 21:13:21 on the pre it will work Jan 20 21:13:33 whoa, that com.palm.app.mobilehotspotupdatepre app includes 3 more .ipk files. com.palm.app.mobilehotspot_1.0.3_all.ipk, mobilehotspotd_1.0.0-18.2.ipk, and pmnetconfigmanager_1.0.0-58.1.ipk Jan 20 21:13:35 I'm trying rick, it goes VERY FAST Jan 20 21:13:40 my phone is now rebooting ... I assume I'll get the same thing spotter did ('you need more from Sprint to run this app') Jan 20 21:13:42 got the ipk Jan 20 21:13:46 got it all Jan 20 21:13:47 :) Jan 20 21:13:48 yes Jan 20 21:13:51 drnull beat me to it Jan 20 21:13:52 rod, you still on? Jan 20 21:13:55 I have it all Jan 20 21:14:02 spotter can you post it? Jan 20 21:14:06 where? Jan 20 21:14:09 I don't have the original ipk, spotter, I was just making a backup so I could remove and redownload Jan 20 21:14:46 ok Jan 20 21:14:48 I made backup too Jan 20 21:14:53 my internal dir is a bit a mess Jan 20 21:15:03 and a pain in the butt to do with terminalk Jan 20 21:15:20 lets see internalz Jan 20 21:15:22 http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.palm.app.mobilehotspotupdatepre&applicationid=1278 Jan 20 21:15:29 is the share link Jan 20 21:15:36 spotter: 266372 bytes for the ipk? Jan 20 21:15:40 in app catalog Jan 20 21:15:58 egaudet_work: sry, i just meant if you're tethering forcefully when the carrier doesn't want you to without paying extra (sry for delay, phone call) Jan 20 21:16:07 drnull just have the update ipk Jan 20 21:16:09 drnull1: thats what I got Jan 20 21:16:14 need to get that off and extract it Jan 20 21:16:26 emailing it to myself Jan 20 21:16:29 ryan_gahl: not pirating, although it may be against the terms of your contract for certain carriers Jan 20 21:16:33 some carriers allow it Jan 20 21:16:41 some carriers require special plans Jan 20 21:16:57 260k Jan 20 21:17:02 ok, yeah, Sprint requires extra plan unfortunately Jan 20 21:17:15 email sent Jan 20 21:17:16 how do you mount the filesystem readwrite again Jan 20 21:17:17 ryan_gahl that's between the user and his carrier. Jan 20 21:17:38 email recieved Jan 20 21:17:51 how do you remount the filesystem read/write? Jan 20 21:17:54 VincentLaw: mount -o remount,rw / Jan 20 21:18:01 yup, not tryin' to rock a boat, just sayin' - ppl should be mindful of that part of it Jan 20 21:18:03 the update ipk seems to install the full app Jan 20 21:18:08 stil doing the self signed stuff Jan 20 21:18:15 yes Jan 20 21:18:23 sorry for the spam Jan 20 21:18:24 spotter@dent:~/test$ tar xzvf data.tar.gz Jan 20 21:18:24 usr/ Jan 20 21:18:24 usr/palm/ Jan 20 21:18:26 usr/palm/applications/ Jan 20 21:18:28 usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.mobilehotspotupdatepre/ Jan 20 21:18:30 usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.mobilehotspotupdatepre/ipkg/ Jan 20 21:18:32 usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.mobilehotspotupdatepre/ipkg/com.palm.app.mobilehotspot_1.0.3_all.ipk Jan 20 21:18:35 usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.mobilehotspotupdatepre/ipkg/mobilehotspotd_1.0.0-18.2.ipk Jan 20 21:18:35 confirmed, I have the ipk Jan 20 21:18:37 usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.mobilehotspotupdatepre/ipkg/pmnetconfigmanager_1.0.0-58.1.ipk Jan 20 21:18:39 usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.mobilehotspotupdatepre/icon.png Jan 20 21:18:41 usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.mobilehotspotupdatepre/screen.bmp Jan 20 21:18:43 usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.mobilehotspotupdatepre/black.bmp Jan 20 21:18:45 usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.mobilehotspotupdatepre/appinfo.json Jan 20 21:18:47 usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.mobilehotspotupdatepre/myapp Jan 20 21:18:51 whoa Jan 20 21:18:52 woh woh less spam Jan 20 21:19:03 pastebin.com is your friend Jan 20 21:19:06 yes yes Jan 20 21:19:11 indeed Jan 20 21:19:33 ok tealc Jan 20 21:19:39 266372 bytes c6eddffcbb4a939442c6887ee608e018 com.palm.app.mobilehotspotupdatepre_1.0.2_all.ipk Jan 20 21:19:50 Sharing an Internet connection requires an addition to your mobile service plan. Contact your carrier for help. (no big surprise here) Jan 20 21:20:21 sorrowind.net/com.palm.app.mobilehotspotupdatepre_1.0.2_all.ipk <--uploaded >.> Jan 20 21:20:25 http://sorrowind.net/com.palm.app.mobilehotspotupdatepre_1.0.2_all.ipk <--uploaded >.> Jan 20 21:20:30 the mobilehotspot app is a sdl app Jan 20 21:20:36 VincentLaw: please don't do that Jan 20 21:20:41 okay, removed :p Jan 20 21:20:51 that message is in app/controllers/microap-assistant.j Jan 20 21:20:53 app/controllers/microap-assistant.js Jan 20 21:21:29 spotter is it working? Jan 20 21:21:34 nt4cats|work: There are a few interesting strings in the binary as well: "Verizon Wireless", "Feature not supported by carrier", etc. Jan 20 21:21:35 no Jan 20 21:21:36 downloading something offered up by palm's catalog is one thing but posting palm copyrighted material without license is not cool Jan 20 21:21:54 destinal, who posted anything? Jan 20 21:21:55 destinal: it's okay, I already removed it Jan 20 21:22:01 oh Jan 20 21:22:03 Vincent Jan 20 21:22:04 the moment you said that I did, I forgot :p Jan 20 21:22:32 VincentLaw: no worries, I figured you understood but wanted to make it clear to all just in case Jan 20 21:22:35 I don't really understand luna Jan 20 21:23:17 btw, any appdevs in here want us to make a skin for our 1+1=2 calc app? (ex. http://twitpic.com/yxgnb) Jan 20 21:23:20 Spotter how so Jan 20 21:23:37 well, not a javascript person Jan 20 21:23:46 give me C and I can break it down Jan 20 21:23:53 but no types and my head breaks Jan 20 21:24:15 what'you'talkin'bout'willis... Object is a type :) Jan 20 21:24:22 bah Jan 20 21:24:48 i like both worlds Jan 20 21:25:02 s/i like both worlds/i go both ways/ Jan 20 21:25:02 ryan_gahl meant: i go both ways Jan 20 21:25:11 er Jan 20 21:26:00 well as long as we have the IPKs backed up Jan 20 21:26:26 fyi, the updater is one ipk that includes three ipks inside it. Jan 20 21:26:26 com.palm.app.mobilehotspot_1.0.3_all.ipk mobilehotspotd_1.0.0-18.2.ipk pmnetconfigmanager_1.0.0-58.1.ipk Jan 20 21:26:52 ipkg -o /var/destinal install * Jan 20 21:27:02 Mousey: lol Jan 20 21:27:53 destinal: and we finally have examples of how to call addInterface now. wifi: {SSID: "", Security: ""} Jan 20 21:28:08 $ strings mobilehotspotd |grep -i Verizon Jan 20 21:28:08 Verizon Wireless Jan 20 21:28:20 looks like that's your carrier check Jan 20 21:28:28 destinal: thankfully "Sprint" is shorter than "Verizon Wireless". :) Jan 20 21:29:05 drnull1: aha, I was calling it with wifi, but not correctly before Jan 20 21:29:07 see http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2165975&posted=1#post2165975 Jan 20 21:29:17 posted dump of all 3 ipk's Jan 20 21:30:38 I think this is a good followup to my success at getting homebrew installed via the email hack :) Jan 20 21:30:52 so this is interesting Jan 20 21:30:55 spotter: oh, that was you? Jan 20 21:30:58 yes Jan 20 21:31:03 good to meet you :) Jan 20 21:31:16 http://www.precentral.net/homebrewed-apps-coming-non-rooted-devices Jan 20 21:31:30 should be obvious which one I am Jan 20 21:31:39 *nods* Jan 20 21:31:53 and I did that w/o owning a pre :) Jan 20 21:32:04 or actually ever holding one Jan 20 21:32:31 just via info gleaned from webos doctor and some help from people here wrapping openssl in shell scripts for me :) Jan 20 21:35:49 anyways Jan 20 21:35:53 think I should get back to work Jan 20 21:36:22 thanks for the heads up. :) Jan 20 21:36:46 no problem Jan 20 21:36:51 its good to cache rss feeds :) Jan 20 21:37:18 that's a pretty big goof for them Jan 20 21:37:25 especially leaving it on the catalog Jan 20 21:37:44 they may have needed it for verizon testing Jan 20 21:38:04 hey, it works. Jan 20 21:38:05 cool Jan 20 21:38:09 what works? Jan 20 21:38:17 you hacked the app? Jan 20 21:38:21 no Jan 20 21:38:30 I just didn't update, instead manually installing the app Jan 20 21:38:38 as I said, there's already a hotspot service in 1.3.5 Jan 20 21:38:42 ah Jan 20 21:38:47 and that worked with the app Jan 20 21:38:47 and it mentions verizon wireless not at all Jan 20 21:38:50 :) Jan 20 21:38:53 cool Jan 20 21:38:55 so you installed the mojo app without updating the service? Jan 20 21:38:57 lol Jan 20 21:38:59 right Jan 20 21:39:04 you sly dog Jan 20 21:39:06 and it connects? Jan 20 21:39:06 that means I might have to webos doctor my device Jan 20 21:39:18 VincentLaw: well it created an AP Jan 20 21:39:23 I haven't connected yet Jan 20 21:39:26 spotter: I'm guessing it won't be that difficult to patch the binary Jan 20 21:39:28 spotter you could just grab the service out of the webosdoctor Jan 20 21:39:36 that too Jan 20 21:39:37 :) Jan 20 21:39:45 brb Jan 20 21:40:10 what about the pmnetconfig is that needed? Jan 20 21:40:20 if you read over the svn tmp file in the outer ipk, it suggests that the problem is that they needed to patch IN verizon support Jan 20 21:40:59 if u have a router u dont need to make your pre an AP Jan 20 21:41:03 you know... tethering was once a bulletpoint on the palm pre specs page prior to launch.... Jan 20 21:41:06 just connect to that router with your pre Jan 20 21:41:06 what svn file? Jan 20 21:41:18 then set your default gateway to the pre ip Jan 20 21:41:19 :D Jan 20 21:41:25 and the dns server Jan 20 21:42:06 `nifty Jan 20 21:42:20 i connected my pre to destinal's hotspot Jan 20 21:42:25 or use 8.8.8.8 as dns Jan 20 21:42:26 :) Jan 20 21:42:26 twas sweet 3g speeds over wifi over evdo Jan 20 21:42:29 it is amusing how the updater app is an sdl app Jan 20 21:42:43 spotter: they need root Jan 20 21:42:48 spotter: that's one way to get it Jan 20 21:42:52 destinal, yes Jan 20 21:42:56 but update app already does it Jan 20 21:43:00 yeah all the verizon stuff isn't in the actual mojo app Jan 20 21:43:03 you'd figure they'd have a way to thook into that Jan 20 21:43:09 svn-commit.tmp Jan 20 21:43:14 Rick-home, don't see it Jan 20 21:43:25 in control? Jan 20 21:43:37 nope Jan 20 21:43:39 not in control Jan 20 21:44:56 sorry, it's in the mojo app ipk Jan 20 21:45:20 i m having a major brain fail right now Jan 20 21:45:39 How do you refresh the cron after you add/edit a script in cron.daily and cron.weekly? Jan 20 21:46:06 you don't have to Jan 20 21:46:37 anyone else try EMR? Jan 20 21:46:56 bleh I need to figure out how to roll back the service :/ Jan 20 21:47:00 or...the recontstruction utility whichever its acronym Jan 20 21:47:06 hey, Abyssul: you should change your patch to only vibrate on SMS :p Jan 20 21:47:13 I ran it without errors Jan 20 21:47:17 rick_work: I can figure most of it out for myself, but at a high level, the "get the package from webos doctor" .... Jan 20 21:47:31 rick_work: I assume it is a big tarball, and I can find the .ipk inside it Jan 20 21:47:41 VincentLaw: I don't think you can as a "message" is a message.. whether its IM or SMS. :) Jan 20 21:47:48 rick_work: ... and I can scp the .ipk to my phone and then install it from the command-line? Jan 20 21:47:54 VincentLaw: what do you mean? Jan 20 21:47:55 dBsooner: that sucks >.> Jan 20 21:48:08 your patch vibrates on IMs AND SMS Jan 20 21:48:14 rwhitby: think Emergency Reconstruction worked Jan 20 21:48:19 Hmm... Jan 20 21:48:22 ah Jan 20 21:48:31 What is Emergency Reconstruction for? Jan 20 21:48:32 Yea there's no way to distinguous it Jan 20 21:48:32 "Fixed turning off bug seen with the latest mobilehotspotd; No loc changes;" Jan 20 21:48:34 heh that Mute Icon is awesome Jan 20 21:48:45 dbsooner corrupt status file Jan 20 21:48:48 The mute icon doesn't flow though Jan 20 21:49:14 Rick_work: right, the carrier lock was added after hotspot was released in 1.3.5 and 1.3.5.1. Jan 20 21:49:30 the updater has a new version of the service with the lock feature added Jan 20 21:49:33 are we going to get sorting by time when we click on the price sorting? Jan 20 21:49:35 and probably lots of bugs fixed Jan 20 21:49:50 destinal: what is the name of the service package I should look for in the webosdoctor image? Jan 20 21:50:15 destinal: (even part of it would be helpful if you could) Jan 20 21:50:33 now that you know how to call it tho, we can write one that is not palm-code dependent. :-) Jan 20 21:50:33 nt4cats|work: the files you need can be found by running ipkg files on the pre Jan 20 21:50:51 it's going to involve a binary patch tho. Jan 20 21:51:22 Rick-home, just need to clean room it :) Jan 20 21:51:38 need two competent people who understand luna, one to describe it Jan 20 21:51:40 and one to code it Jan 20 21:51:42 spotter: easy, just write up the service on the wiki Jan 20 21:51:46 destinal how are you Jan 20 21:51:46 at least if one wants to be above board Jan 20 21:51:47 spotter: with service interfaces Jan 20 21:52:07 the doctor image doesn't have ipks from what I can see. it's just an image Jan 20 21:52:13 thus... "image" :p Jan 20 21:52:15 destinal, so it worked on yours via the manual way? Jan 20 21:52:31 spotter: yeah, I just installed the app ipk out of the updater ipk's ipkg dir Jan 20 21:52:37 nothing else Jan 20 21:52:42 via ipkg? Jan 20 21:52:45 or via something else? Jan 20 21:52:48 webos installer? Jan 20 21:53:22 I used ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps but anything would work, you could use palm-install or WOSQI or whatever Jan 20 21:53:31 ok Jan 20 21:54:02 egaudet: I think Emergency Reconstruction worked, thank you Jan 20 21:55:05 Haha Jan 20 21:56:29 though my pre doesn't like google right now Jan 20 21:57:04 destinal : have you got it to work? Jan 20 21:57:31 JMyaDaGod: yes. I installed just the app ipk on a stock 1.3.5.1 doctored pre, and it works. Jan 20 21:58:07 so if i installed already i should doctor? Jan 20 21:58:10 I suspect the service in 1.3.5.1 is buggy and the one in the updater is carrier locked to verizon, so your mileage may vary Jan 20 21:58:26 destinal, just read your comment on terminus Jan 20 21:58:27 what's this new palm pre plus i hear about Jan 20 21:58:29 in wiki Jan 20 21:58:29 on verizon Jan 20 21:58:29 is there a way to open up an ipk to look at the contents? Jan 20 21:58:41 I actually sent their security guy a paper I wrote on how to sandbox apps nicely Jan 20 21:58:50 if they are really cool, they'll use linux container mechanism :) Jan 20 21:59:21 if they just use chroot, that's a joke to break if you can get root Jan 20 21:59:30 VincentLaw: mkdir randomdirectory; cd randomdireactory; ar x ../file.ipk; tar xvzf data.tar.gz Jan 20 21:59:31 VincentLaw use 7zip if on windows, use tar if on anything else Jan 20 21:59:31 chroot (dir below you), you just broke chroot Jan 20 21:59:50 ah, winrar was failing so i didn't know if it was a tar Jan 20 21:59:54 I'll try winzip Jan 20 21:59:56 err Jan 20 21:59:57 7zip Jan 20 22:00:00 It's an AR archive Jan 20 22:00:02 I doubt winzip can handle ar Jan 20 22:00:05 with tar.gz files inside Jan 20 22:00:09 it's a .deb Jan 20 22:00:16 spotter: yes, that too Jan 20 22:00:22 I've built these by hand back in the day :) Jan 20 22:00:53 Anyone know precentrals rss feed link? Jan 20 22:01:13 guess it's time to look into doctoring my pre again. *sigh* Jan 20 22:01:31 VincentLaw: why would you doctor? Jan 20 22:01:41 I did the updated service :/ Jan 20 22:01:54 abyssul your nicks reminds me of the pirate they captured Jan 20 22:02:03 You can revert that, just copy the files back from the rootfs in the doctor image Jan 20 22:02:12 yes, but /which/ files :/ Jan 20 22:02:27 Towzzer: it's a modified name for the adj abyssal :p Jan 20 22:02:31 VincentLaw: you can "ipkg files" with the name of the package to know that Jan 20 22:02:45 on the pre Jan 20 22:02:55 alright, do you know the name of the ipk for the service Jan 20 22:04:25 ah I think I found it actually Jan 20 22:04:30 mobilehotspotd Jan 20 22:04:37 there's also the pmnetconfig Jan 20 22:05:31 VincentLaw: that's the same thing I just found Jan 20 22:08:57 do you think pmnetconfig would affect it? Jan 20 22:09:01 should I roll that back as well? Jan 20 22:09:18 eh whatever I'll try just the daemon first Jan 20 22:09:29 worse comes to worst it won't boot and I'll doctor it anyway >.> Jan 20 22:12:35 xorg: here Jan 20 22:12:49 destinal: one last question Jan 20 22:12:57 whats the proper method to install an ipk from the command line Jan 20 22:12:58 rod, have a q about /opt... Jan 20 22:13:21 i've been tinkinger with putting a vfs of opt on cryptofs and it appears to work in USB mode Jan 20 22:13:29 xorg: it can't go on /media/internal or /media/cryptofs due to symlinks and permissions being required Jan 20 22:13:54 i created a loopback fs on crypto... it works in usb mode... Jan 20 22:14:09 VincentLaw: if it's an *app*, ipkg -o /media/cryptofs install whatever.ipk Jan 20 22:14:15 but on if located on /media/internal Jan 20 22:14:20 I'm installing the mojo app, destinal Jan 20 22:14:41 yeah, what I wrote above works Jan 20 22:14:58 am getting ready to release xorg tools which is about to get deep into optware... am worried about filling up /var Jan 20 22:15:31 restart luna is? :D Jan 20 22:16:17 nevermind Jan 20 22:16:19 rescan works Jan 20 22:16:31 or not Jan 20 22:16:52 rescan Jan 20 22:17:07 yeah it didn't appear, trying a luna restart Jan 20 22:17:13 (app didn't show up) Jan 20 22:17:44 VincentLaw: oops Jan 20 22:17:47 xorg: where does loopback ext3 work? Jan 20 22:17:48 I gave you wrong command Jan 20 22:17:52 oh joy Jan 20 22:17:55 ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps install whatever.ipk Jan 20 22:17:56 xorg: (with usb mode?) Jan 20 22:18:05 do I have to undo what I did before? :p Jan 20 22:18:12 you may wish to rm -rf /media/cryptofs/usr Jan 20 22:18:29 which is the incorrect directory it would have made Jan 20 22:18:41 k Jan 20 22:18:45 rwhitby: if you create a loopbackfs on /media/cryptofs/apps... an USB moutn works... though /opt is suspended, it resumes when USB is unmounte and crypto remounts Jan 20 22:18:57 makes sense Jan 20 22:18:59 so do rm -rf / correct? :p Jan 20 22:19:05 lol Jan 20 22:19:08 xorg: yeah, that makes sense Jan 20 22:19:39 xorg: palm have a crypofs daemon which takes signals to suspend and resume the fuse filesystem Jan 20 22:19:41 oh boy oh boy its there Jan 20 22:19:50 rwhitby: i'm going to release xt with /opt still physically residing on /var but will have an experimental migration to migrate opt to a loopbackfs on crrypto Jan 20 22:19:55 nooo wtf Jan 20 22:20:01 "mobile hotspot service is not running" Jan 20 22:20:24 maybe it needs pmnetconfigmanager rolled back as well? Jan 20 22:20:28 it does Jan 20 22:20:33 but wanted to point out to you as you might consider for the optware bootstrap Jan 20 22:20:39 pmnetconfigmanager is where all the juicy bits are tbh Jan 20 22:20:43 okay Jan 20 22:20:46 figures Jan 20 22:20:58 xorg: it would be good if this works to only do it one way everywhere, not have different methods Jan 20 22:21:20 xorg: so don't release any loopback stuff until we review the plan please :-) Jan 20 22:21:27 ok, will do Jan 20 22:22:14 e.g. we'd need to make sure the upstart script starts after cryptofs is mounted and that sort of stuff Jan 20 22:22:16 i'm worried about filling /var... I'm hoping to get deep into optware with xorg tools, but will limit to just a few optware services for now Jan 20 22:23:58 anyways, enjoy playing with mobile hotspot :) Jan 20 22:24:02 I just got the VZ mobilehotspotd pacakge to work on my Sprint Pre Jan 20 22:24:33 is there a page up for mobilehotspotd? Jan 20 22:25:34 I assume that if I provide instructions for doing this but do not provide any files I will abide by this group's rules Jan 20 22:26:20 xorg: I think this was a good follow up from the original homebrew :) Jan 20 22:26:29 though I didnt do much Jan 20 22:26:38 just downloaded what palm allowed me to download :) Jan 20 22:26:59 time to restart to see if I did this right >.> Jan 20 22:27:31 I downloaded the VZ hotspot files from the shared URL provided earlier, patched the daemon, and it is working on my Sprint pre. Jan 20 22:27:45 nt4cats|work: define working? Jan 20 22:27:48 how did you patch the daemon? Jan 20 22:28:02 also I CANT STOP PLAYING POKEMON, my life has become a mess Jan 20 22:28:05 * zsoc blames dtzWill Jan 20 22:28:10 haha same zsoc Jan 20 22:28:11 zsoc: my pre now says "Mobile Hotspot on" Jan 20 22:28:14 anyone anyone have the url handy for sprint webos doctor Jan 20 22:28:27 nt4cats|work: so... you can connect through it via wifi? Jan 20 22:28:38 nt4cats|work: i wonder if sprint knows / if it's different from just ipforwarding Jan 20 22:29:14 zsoc: now you're getting all empirical on me Jan 20 22:29:24 spotter: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions Jan 20 22:29:43 It shows as an available network for my laptop to hook onto ... Jan 20 22:29:58 destinal: it's not working. it still says mobile hotspot service is not running Jan 20 22:29:59 sheesh, its hefty Jan 20 22:30:07 for some reason I thought the jar used to be smaller Jan 20 22:30:22 zsoc: I guess I can shut down my wife's laptop and connect it to my Pre (I don't want to disconnect this laptop from my Fios connection right now) Jan 20 22:32:11 I'd be very interested in how you got it working nt4cats|work cause I can't Jan 20 22:32:55 it let my wife's laptop connect to it Jan 20 22:33:08 nt4cats|work: ok, then it's pretty straight forward. that's interesting. Jan 20 22:33:18 ... but I get such crappy data coverage in my house I can't confirm that it is passing packets Jan 20 22:33:29 I see it seeming to try to Jan 20 22:33:57 I can't even get the service to start Jan 20 22:35:23 every time I try to run it manually I get permission denied Jan 20 22:35:41 the service is running and my wife's laptop is connected to it. It got the DNS for "www.palm.com" ... but it isn't getting the data. Jan 20 22:35:51 I'm going to have to tcpdump it to see what's happening Jan 20 22:36:16 I just wish I could turn it on :/ Jan 20 22:36:25 looks like I will have to doctor it after all Jan 20 22:40:23 yep, it doesn't work. this sucks >.> Jan 20 22:40:56 I don't think there's an ipk for pmnetconfigmanager Jan 20 22:41:05 its already in the webos doctor installation Jan 20 22:41:15 I know that Jan 20 22:41:21 I already copied the files out of the doctor Jan 20 22:41:24 onto the pre Jan 20 22:42:56 and it just always says the service isn't running Jan 20 22:43:05 i wish pokemon didn't exist Jan 20 22:43:40 bleh whatever I'm doctoring it Jan 20 22:45:08 Templarian: hey, you up for doing some image work that doesn't involve icons? :> Jan 20 22:56:53 VincentLaw did you reboot after copying them back Jan 20 22:57:57 It's funny that I am excited by the idea of mobile hotspot on my Sprint Pre ... when my work pays for a MiFi (EVDO revA <-> WiFi bridge) Jan 20 22:58:38 lol Jan 20 22:58:40 I guess it is just my inner geek coming out, the probability that I'd use a pre mobile hotspot is small Jan 20 22:59:02 same prob, gadget lust Jan 20 22:59:13 well, _I_ will use it. Jan 20 22:59:23 usbnet doesn't really let me share with friends. Jan 20 22:59:59 Rick Jan 20 23:00:04 I rebooted multiple times actually Jan 20 23:00:09 even pulled the battery Jan 20 23:00:31 odd then vincent. Because I just installed the IPK and it just worked. (the internal app ipk not the outer wrapper ipk.) Jan 20 23:00:43 just installed the "poor man's twitter client" script. very nice! Jan 20 23:00:58 well apparently however I did the copying back wasn't good enough, or something Jan 20 23:01:08 but I'm almost done redoctoring Jan 20 23:01:18 (and I just realized I forgot to uninstall my patches, so that'll be ALL SORTS of fun Jan 20 23:01:50 anyone remember what directory you have to empty if you redoctor with patches installed? Jan 20 23:02:00 (wherever preware checks for patches) Jan 20 23:03:11 zsoc: like what? Jan 20 23:03:43 Templarian: like re-do a menu and icons for a supa sekret project of mine Jan 20 23:04:32 Not really, super busy with my own little projects at the moment and homework. Jan 20 23:04:53 Templarian: Ok, no big deal, maybe just an icon then when i'm ready :> Jan 20 23:05:39 Sure... which reminds me I should go think of an icon for PuffTheMagic's little thing Jan 20 23:06:24 don't spend too much time on his little thing... Jan 20 23:06:37 s/on/thinking of/ Jan 20 23:06:37 zsoc meant: dthinking of't spend too much time on his little thing... Jan 20 23:06:44 * zsoc facepalms Jan 20 23:07:00 s/on his/ thinking of his/ Jan 20 23:07:01 :p Jan 20 23:07:01 zsoc meant: don't spend too much time thinking of his little thing... Jan 20 23:07:02 lol, you tried. :P Jan 20 23:09:07 I tried the app and it sort of worked Jan 20 23:09:22 do I need to install the pmnetmanager? Jan 20 23:09:51 cause while I can connect my netbook to the pre I can't get an outgoing connection Jan 20 23:14:16 from the look at the content it looks like it should be but pinging the collective on this Jan 20 23:16:09 the pmmanager is supposed to already be on your phone. Jan 20 23:16:12 is it not there? Jan 20 23:16:47 I'll have to check later, in class Jan 20 23:17:28 but the app detected my netbook, but I couldn't get an outgoing connect from the netbook Jan 20 23:18:32 a point of reference I have FreeTether installed Jan 20 23:18:41 with USBnet enabled Jan 20 23:26:39 I really need to reinstall SSH Jan 20 23:34:35 installed meta-doctor but stuck at trying to connect to palm servers, with profile can not do anything more... Jan 20 23:35:23 wifi is on? Jan 20 23:36:02 yeah, see wifi signal bars Jan 20 23:37:29 looking over the thread to see if anyone had same issue Jan 20 23:37:46 "sign in failed" you need to be connected to your wireless service provider's network to sign in.... Jan 20 23:42:10 I've never done a meta-doctor myself and rod created it, not seeing anything on the forums. Maybe later webos versions has some kind of block =/ can't be sure Jan 20 23:44:53 i think this phone is locked -only to use with sprint... can not so shit on it Jan 20 23:45:01 'do Jan 20 23:46:48 rod lives in AUS Jan 20 23:46:55 yeah Jan 20 23:46:58 and has had a CDMA phone for ages Jan 20 23:47:05 and activated just fine Jan 20 23:47:28 so it's not really locked Jan 20 23:48:01 this phone came installed with 1.3.1 they probably did something... i can only call sprint customer service on this thing Jan 20 23:48:26 LoneStar99: well of course you won't be able to call anyone on it Jan 20 23:48:34 I don't want to say use an older webos doctor version and try that I suggest wait for rwhitby Jan 20 23:48:47 hey rod Jan 20 23:48:52 i know, but I can't do anything --- blocked by the palm profile stuff Jan 20 23:48:52 I meta-doctored a sprint phone with 1.3.5.1 just the other day Jan 20 23:49:01 he can't seem to sign into a profile over wifi after metadoctor Jan 20 23:49:05 is your palm profile valid for the phone? Jan 20 23:49:24 what phone is registered against your palm profile when you log in on the web interface? Jan 20 23:49:46 back... sort of Jan 20 23:49:55 i have no palm profile, it was some one elses phone before Jan 20 23:50:32 so, run first-use and create one Jan 20 23:51:01 how does one run 'first use" never have seen that Jan 20 23:51:08 option Jan 20 23:51:16 last page? Jan 20 23:51:32 it's an app,you mmust unhide it Jan 20 23:51:43 unhide how? Jan 20 23:51:48 I thought meta-doctor already unhide it Jan 20 23:52:06 unhid* Jan 20 23:52:39 there a patch for that Jan 20 23:52:59 in preware...show first use app Jan 20 23:54:00 LoneStar99: did you uncomment any of the options in the meta-doctor Makefile? Jan 20 23:54:11 * PuffTheMagic likes seeing -pre and -wirc nicks :D Jan 20 23:54:28 Puff: did you see the mobile hotspot app got leaked? Jan 20 23:54:34 LoneStar99: (since it's designed to do nothing out of the box - you need to select what options you want at the top of the Makefile) Jan 20 23:55:10 oh my... fu-ck did not uncomment - shit Jan 20 23:55:16 Kyusaku: the app got leaked? Jan 20 23:55:17 lol Jan 20 23:55:22 PuffTheMagic: yep Jan 20 23:55:33 through the app catalog Jan 20 23:55:33 not just the daemon? Jan 20 23:55:40 it's a whole suite Jan 20 23:55:49 i take it that is gone? Jan 20 23:55:53 app, daemon, and something else Jan 20 23:56:10 are you on the pre right now? Jan 20 23:56:33 lemme see if it's still in the catalog Jan 20 23:56:52 it's actually an app with 3 IPKs that it installs Jan 20 23:56:55 Is there a GPL compatible image license? CC? Jan 20 23:56:59 rwhitby: I thought, it was the other way around comment what you did not want Jan 20 23:57:22 LoneStar99: what does the comment in the file say? Jan 20 23:57:25 Kyusaku : did u get it to work yet? Jan 20 23:57:47 if you just install the app it kinda works Jan 20 23:57:54 but I can't get outgoing connection Jan 20 23:58:16 PuffTheMagic: It's still in the app catalog Jan 20 23:58:18 what if u did the whole app catalog install how do i get rid of the rest? Jan 20 23:58:45 lol you updated the daemon Jan 20 23:58:50 with the Verizon check Jan 20 23:58:57 so what doctor it? Jan 20 23:59:05 you gotta downgrade your daemon if that's possible Jan 20 23:59:26 whats it under? Jan 20 23:59:30 will doctoring it to 1.3.5.1 work Jan 20 23:59:39 PuffTheMagic: It's unlisted Jan 20 23:59:47 PuffTheMagic: it got leaked through a feed Jan 20 23:59:52 so how do u get it? Jan 20 23:59:54 aqhh Jan 21 00:00:01 the share link still works Jan 21 00:00:10 you know the app catalog share links Jan 21 00:00:16 nope Jan 21 00:00:18 What is first use? Jan 21 00:00:42 PuffTheMagic: one sec Jan 21 00:00:53 lemme give you the addy to use on the pre Jan 21 00:02:36 first use is the app that lets you set op a ppalm profike Jan 21 00:03:01 http://developer.palm.com/appdirect/?packageid=com.palm.app.mobilehotspotupdatepre&applicationid=1278 Jan 21 00:03:20 http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.palm.app.mobilehotspotupdatepre&applicationid=1278 Jan 21 00:04:16 the update app is a simple app that installs 3 IPKs it's archived with Jan 21 00:04:36 a daemon with verizon checker, pmnetmanger and the actual app Jan 21 00:06:08 PuffTheMagic: lemme know if that address works on your Pre Jan 21 00:06:15 Kyusaku :where do i get just the one ipk Jan 21 00:06:43 it's in the dir that the update app installs to Jan 21 00:07:54 hey, thats my link :) Jan 21 00:08:22 so has anyone had luck w/ the mobile hotspot? Jan 21 00:08:24 I have it installed Jan 21 00:08:30 and am able to connect Jan 21 00:08:38 with old pmnetconfig mobilehotspotd Jan 21 00:08:51 spotter: know you posted the longer URL I might have been offline for the share url Jan 21 00:08:54 but when I do connect it gives a message that my provider doesn't allow internet connection sharing Jan 21 00:09:03 I was kidding :) Jan 21 00:09:16 drinking wine now, this stuff has been a very very time consuming affair Jan 21 00:09:30 so has anyone gotten it working? Jan 21 00:09:34 can you give JMyaDaGod the path I have to leave my class Jan 21 00:09:35 or just able to associate with it? Jan 21 00:09:50 spotter: my netbook connects but no outgoing connection Jan 21 00:09:57 yeah only association Jan 21 00:10:54 hey guys... using webos qi i just noticed that there's two preware and two package manager services in my package list Jan 21 00:11:03 kinda weird. any way to clean up the ipkg package list? Jan 21 00:11:15 JMyaDaGod: /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.mobilehotspotupdatepre Jan 21 00:11:37 ok thanks Jan 21 00:11:38 and I think it has an ipkg directory with the 3 ipks for the 3 different pieces Jan 21 00:12:15 argh Jan 21 00:12:32 I just locked my pre cause I had terminal open a second time Jan 21 00:12:40 be back in a bit on wirc Jan 21 00:12:46 gotta drive home Jan 21 00:14:13 Kyusaku: links didnt work Jan 21 00:15:02 rwhitby: u mentione something about setting up another network connection to vm, how do you go about doing that u have a link? Jan 21 00:15:18 LoneStar99: just read the virtualbox manual Jan 21 00:15:27 you want a second host-only vboxnet0 connection Jan 21 00:16:34 muesli: does Preware show the same thing? Jan 21 00:16:59 where does preware check for patches on the filesystem? I doctored and need to clear the "installed" patches Jan 21 00:17:06 rwhitby: thanks, hopefully this will be the last time I have to reinstall meta-doctor Jan 21 00:17:11 VincentLaw: a partial erase will clear that Jan 21 00:17:51 well I didn't have to last time, I did something involving rm -rf *webos* to clear it, I just don't remember where Jan 21 00:18:19 rwhitby: just checking Jan 21 00:18:34 rwhitby: but what's interesting is that webos qi is showing two different versions for the two packages Jan 21 00:18:53 so it's not really a dupe Jan 21 00:19:04 muesli: check in /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lib/ipkg/status to see what reality is, and whether wosqi has a bug Jan 21 00:19:33 ok Jan 21 00:19:49 spotter: Rick_work fyi I suspect the mobilehotspotd in 1.3.5 is brokified. Jan 21 00:20:08 so not updating may give you something of a proof of concept but may not actually work Jan 21 00:20:50 I'll play a little bit more later Jan 21 00:23:32 rwhitby, muesli, I can guess that preware/packagemanager are installed to both var and cryptofs Jan 21 00:24:11 egaudet: status file should only show one as installed (it might show another as previously installed but removed on update) Jan 21 00:24:33 egaudet: so, what's the latest status on aupt? Jan 21 00:24:37 rwhitby: no, preware itself only shows the latest installed versions Jan 21 00:24:37 rwhitby, 2 status files, 2 offline roots. I'm guessing QI checks both /var and /media/ Jan 21 00:24:49 rwhitby, I'm OTA to 1.3.5 right now Jan 21 00:24:53 netstat dev in here by chance? Jan 21 00:24:53 egaudet: I'm pretty sure it doesn't. Jan 21 00:25:13 destinal, for all we know, even the updated one doesn't work :) Jan 21 00:26:39 i'm having the issue of not being able to reset my netstat counter (manually or automatically) Jan 21 00:29:31 :D Jan 21 00:32:47 did anyone try installing the pmnetmanager too? Jan 21 00:35:06 egaudet: would it harm to remove the old version with webos qi then? Jan 21 00:35:09 oh geexz Jan 21 00:35:17 so the mobile hotspot doesn't work Jan 21 00:35:41 fun yet? Jan 21 00:35:47 no Jan 21 00:35:50 it doesnt work >( Jan 21 00:35:55 I don't know QI Jan 21 00:36:03 well as long as Puff gets a copy doesn't bother me Jan 21 00:36:40 ok, just gave it a shot, and it actually removed all of my preware then Jan 21 00:37:18 the hotspot app will let you connect to it, but it will not route anything to the evod Jan 21 00:37:20 *evdo Jan 21 00:37:25 so it sits there timing out Jan 21 00:37:36 BAH, I know I JUST went over this. Jan 21 00:37:48 well sorry >.> Jan 21 00:38:02 VincentLaw: hm? oh no not you :P Jan 21 00:38:06 objcopy syntax :P Jan 21 00:38:10 oh Jan 21 00:38:15 I was like uhh I don't see anything :p Jan 21 00:38:38 yeah I think that's everyone using 1.35 ver Jan 21 00:39:08 destinal: were you the one that told me how to remove the leftovers of installed patches after a doctoring? (via console) Jan 21 00:39:13 some issue Jan 21 00:40:20 no, I tolf you to find them w ipkg files Jan 21 00:40:29 no not that Jan 21 00:40:35 a few days ago :/ Jan 21 00:40:40 destinal-wirc: elf32-littlearm is what i want, right? Jan 21 00:40:42 and patches, not the hotspot Jan 21 00:41:01 yeah Jan 21 00:41:32 zsoc: yes Jan 21 00:41:38 ty Jan 21 00:42:21 Vincent: I think egaudet did Jan 21 00:42:27 oh Jan 21 00:42:34 I've been trying to find it in the logs but couldnt :/ Jan 21 00:42:44 ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps remove *patches* Jan 21 00:43:16 yay thanks Jan 21 00:44:01 hopefully I will never ever ever need that again >.> Jan 21 00:44:13 so you haven't had anymore luck with the hotspot stuff? Jan 21 00:44:16 destinal? :p Jan 21 00:44:30 oh you docrd? Jan 21 00:45:11 yeah I did Jan 21 00:45:19 forgot to remove patches beforehand like an idiot haha Jan 21 00:45:34 but anyway, it wouldn't work Jan 21 00:46:14 I can connect to the pre fine, but there's no internet. it's not making the final route connection from the LAN to the EVDO Jan 21 00:46:15 :/ Jan 21 00:46:29 yeah that's what everyone gets Jan 21 00:46:40 boo lol Jan 21 00:46:43 I have a quick question Jan 21 00:46:45 "app\/models\/messaging-constants.js" Jan 21 00:46:52 where is that pointing to? Jan 21 00:47:02 anyone try to hexedit the mobilehotspotd app? Jan 21 00:48:29 spoter possibly Jan 21 00:48:33 hmm Jan 21 00:48:43 is there any sort of protection on preware for circular dependencies? Jan 21 00:48:48 Is what we were calling the "pdk" now being called the "widk:? Jan 21 00:51:40 zsoc: yep Jan 21 00:51:42 I dunno what on earth just happened. I OTA with 1.3.1 patches installed and after migration all the patch ipkgs say they are 1.3.5 versions Jan 21 00:52:00 egaudet: auto-aupt !!! ;-) Jan 21 00:52:12 lol i'm so confused Jan 21 00:52:20 rwhitby: ah ok. well its pretty awesome. just got a new project compiled with 0 environmental issues Jan 21 00:53:04 what's the command to install an ipkg via command line Jan 21 00:53:20 hahaha gaw ima idiot Jan 21 00:53:57 * egaudet thinks migration must have gotten the updated patch info from the ipkg feed Jan 21 00:53:58 hexedited mobilehotspod, lets see if it makes a diff Jan 21 00:54:03 zsoc: better than Gentoo ? ;-) Jan 21 00:54:56 good news Jan 21 00:55:02 rwhitby: it seems to be a good solution for our particular environment :) I don't think there is anything else to compare it to really, since it's all sort of 'automated for a purpose' :) Jan 21 00:55:16 spotter: got it working? :D Jan 21 00:55:16 I believe w/ new mobilehotspotd hex edited, can turn on the mobile hotspot Jan 21 00:55:20 not yet Jan 21 00:55:23 no idea Jan 21 00:55:40 can connect Jan 21 00:56:01 still get auth error Jan 21 00:57:06 if you get it working, would a webos patch be possible or you have to replace the whole app Jan 21 00:58:06 replace whole app probably Jan 21 00:58:18 but could be wrong Jan 21 00:58:29 freetether gets through the auth error Jan 21 00:58:30 its a pretty slick app though Jan 21 00:58:36 simple, but well put together Jan 21 00:59:01 where are links to freetether Jan 21 00:59:25 freetether is on the testing feed Jan 21 00:59:44 * rwhitby bbl Jan 21 00:59:58 hmm Jan 21 01:00:05 testing feed? Jan 21 01:00:11 hmm Jan 21 01:00:15 PuffTheMagic is the dev on it Jan 21 01:00:23 /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward is 0 Jan 21 01:00:27 which is why I wanted to make sure he got the app Jan 21 01:00:43 spotter: http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/ Jan 21 01:00:54 how does one do > in terminal? Jan 21 01:00:55 :) Jan 21 01:01:30 I see Jan 21 01:01:31 shift + . Jan 21 01:02:13 yes Jan 21 01:02:15 the I see Jan 21 01:02:48 going to break ethernet connection to try again Jan 21 01:05:06 spotter is the new terminal out? Jan 21 01:05:29 didnt help Jan 21 01:05:29 rebooting phone Jan 21 01:05:58 I use an old one Jan 21 01:06:52 you are trying to get the tether app to work? Jan 21 01:06:54 destinal is working on terminal, or are you talking about terminius Jan 21 01:07:33 he's dissecting mobile hotspot Jan 21 01:08:08 is he trying to get it work without having the proper plan? Jan 21 01:09:11 yeah Jan 21 01:09:25 what about free teather Jan 21 01:09:26 or get freetether to mimic what it does Jan 21 01:09:42 doesn't free tether work perfectly though Jan 21 01:09:42 but that's really up to Puff Jan 21 01:09:59 freetether works but without wifi Jan 21 01:10:06 egaudet: AUPT?!?! Jan 21 01:10:09 mobilehotspot is key to get wifi working Jan 21 01:10:13 i always thought that wifi would really drain the batteries Jan 21 01:10:16 personally, wifi doesn't matter to me Jan 21 01:10:24 but I like to reverse engineer Jan 21 01:10:39 i would rather have the bluetooth back again Jan 21 01:11:05 bluetooth works in freetether, at least for me Jan 21 01:11:19 whens the last time u checked it? Jan 21 01:11:42 i thouht puff sais 1.3.5.1 broke it Jan 21 01:11:49 well the only time I've used it is in webos 1.3.5.1 Jan 21 01:12:05 o well sorry i thought it was broke my bad Jan 21 01:12:17 I've had freetether for like a week Jan 21 01:12:37 ahh ok Jan 21 01:12:45 i use it alot with my laptop it works great Jan 21 01:17:55 there's alot of typo's in the .js code on this lol Jan 21 01:19:10 although it's commented alot so not complaining lol Jan 21 01:23:20 http://www.codemonkies.net/linux/index.php/2009/07/30/debian-palm-novacom-package/ <-- can someone confirm the legitimacy or illegitimacy of the packages being linked to in this article? They seem to be working novacom-only debs.. but I thought palm had not released them outside of the doctor or sdk Jan 21 01:26:03 bluetooth tethering dont work anymore Jan 21 01:26:08 Towzzer: ^^ Jan 21 01:26:11 but usb does Jan 21 01:26:15 and you can use wifi Jan 21 01:26:24 if you know a little networking Jan 21 01:26:28 just no adhoc mode Jan 21 01:26:31 and it's 31k. and it works. Jan 21 01:26:51 PuffTheMagic: Kyusaku> bluetooth works in freetether, at least for me Jan 21 01:27:00 not on 1.3.5.1 Jan 21 01:27:20 I think I did it a few days ago, I'll have to check Jan 21 01:27:27 it says carrier does not allow Jan 21 01:27:44 I get an auth error, but then it just works Jan 21 01:28:23 I'd have to reboot in windows to test cause the BT config in this linux distro is fail. Jan 21 01:28:54 stupid bluez Jan 21 01:29:33 brb gonna reboot into XP Jan 21 01:31:37 SO the free my tether DOES work in 1.3.5.1 and all you have to do is paste wget -qO- http://vz.aonic.net/pre/my.tether.install | /bin/sh into terminal right?!?!?!?!?? Jan 21 01:32:07 or use wosqi Jan 21 01:34:02 @Towzzer: but what i said is right, right? Jan 21 01:34:08 i don't know sir Jan 21 01:34:36 can anyone confirm that wifi tethering works in 1.3.5.1? Jan 21 01:34:55 with the free My Tether? Jan 21 01:34:58 yes Jan 21 01:35:02 it does Jan 21 01:35:03 i use it Jan 21 01:35:08 1.3.5.1 freetether Jan 21 01:35:30 ur talking about mytether or freetether>? Jan 21 01:35:36 freeteher Jan 21 01:35:44 my teather works also but it makes the phone sad : ( Jan 21 01:36:03 how do u get the wifi to work on freetether?> Jan 21 01:36:30 it doesn't Jan 21 01:36:36 i use a usb cable Jan 21 01:36:42 lol Jan 21 01:38:06 Puff stated earlier u can get wifi to work but i dont feel like bothering him to explain Jan 21 01:38:11 oh Jan 21 01:38:20 usb cable saves battery Jan 21 01:38:26 and charges the phone Jan 21 01:39:08 i just hope bluetooth gets fixed before my summer online classes start......So i can take foudations of math on the beach Jan 21 01:39:23 and not have to worry about usb cable Jan 21 01:40:08 what does foundations of math cover ? Jan 21 01:40:46 addition Jan 21 01:40:48 subtraction Jan 21 01:40:52 numbers Jan 21 01:41:01 all the foundations of math Jan 21 01:41:02 :D Jan 21 01:41:21 bpadalino: I believe the foundations of math cover whatever is under them. Jan 21 01:41:26 who know its required after algebra for my major Jan 21 01:41:41 weird Jan 21 01:42:11 so will webos internals be working on a tethering solution to the sprint pre users?? anyone know?!?!?? Jan 21 01:42:30 freetether Jan 21 01:42:34 well i think i can pick which math but that one had online so i took that...should be ez Jan 21 01:42:39 or do you mean with wifi Jan 21 01:44:14 dagod what's your major Jan 21 01:47:14 How do you add new feeds to preware Jan 21 01:47:15 hey, what is up? Jan 21 01:47:28 Abyssul: you don't if you have to ask :> Jan 21 01:47:32 Abyssul: /media/cryptofs/apps/etc/ipkg Jan 21 01:47:47 zsoc: :) Jan 21 01:48:01 Haha Jan 21 01:49:08 Meh it will have to wait til I get home Jan 21 01:52:59 so, what's new? Jan 21 01:53:13 hi pulling Jan 21 01:53:18 what is new Jan 21 01:53:20 bleh Jan 21 01:53:25 palm posted a tethering app Jan 21 01:53:27 PullingJ: Hmm.. New is the oposite of old. Jan 21 01:53:39 Towzzer: what? Jan 21 01:53:44 that's it Jan 21 01:53:45 s/oposite/opposite/ Jan 21 01:53:45 dBsooner meant: PullingJ: Hmm.. New is the opposite of old. Jan 21 01:53:58 ~dict new Jan 21 01:54:02 Dictionary 'new' (1 of 17): used of a living language; being the current stage in its development; "Modern English"; "New Hebrew is Israeli Hebrew" . Jan 21 01:54:15 i just found out i can't submit my taxes in turbotax until 1/27 when they get the form i need for my 2009 bmw 335d Jan 21 01:54:16 infobot is so unreliable these days.\ Jan 21 01:54:37 ~dict flabberghasted Jan 21 01:54:38 Can ANYONE please give me a link to the freetether forum or site that tells me how to install it?????? Jan 21 01:54:39 could not find definition for flabberghasted Jan 21 01:54:50 chezbi do you have webos quick install ? Jan 21 01:54:52 and i'm down one bottle of woot triacipedis Jan 21 01:54:58 towzzer: yes Jan 21 01:55:02 ok open that up Jan 21 01:55:11 Oh is it in the ipkg feeds? Jan 21 01:55:31 yes Jan 21 01:55:33 wait Jan 21 01:55:38 i don't know if it's in the feed Jan 21 01:55:40 you can get the ipkg Jan 21 01:56:15 sslow Jan 21 01:56:24 chezbi: i saw freetether in the webos-testing feed Jan 21 01:56:25 how do we install new feeds in preware? Jan 21 01:56:34 I used to think there was a place to put it Jan 21 01:56:35 Haha Jan 21 01:56:48 spotter see my message in your recent scrollback Jan 21 01:56:49 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/all/us.ryanhope.freetether_0.0.1_all.ipk Jan 21 01:56:56 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/armv7/us.ryanhope.freetetherd_0.0.3_armv7.ipk Jan 21 01:56:58 download those Jan 21 01:57:08 Does it do wifi tether? Jan 21 01:57:19 no Jan 21 01:57:22 just usb Jan 21 01:57:24 Lame... Jan 21 01:57:36 don't see anything Jan 21 01:57:43 just install those two? Jan 21 01:57:49 yes Jan 21 01:57:51 reboot Jan 21 01:57:55 I have an interesting question... what's the difference between yahoo signon via wifi and via evdo? Jan 21 01:57:57 sslow: ping me when you come around Jan 21 01:58:02 well that was no go Jan 21 01:58:09 neither are working... Jan 21 01:58:12 download 10gb and sprint will find you Jan 21 01:58:20 skittish someone before was saying problems with yahoo Jan 21 01:58:35 Any further info? Jan 21 01:58:35 Towzzer: my bac is .11 so i aplogize if you already posted this. but what is this palm tethering app you spoke of? Jan 21 01:58:54 I'm working on trying to fix iit...but im not a java persona lmao Jan 21 01:58:54 PullingJ: how do you know what your bac is? Jan 21 01:58:59 palm posted a legtimate tethering app for use with a data plane Jan 21 01:58:59 dBsooner: ping me when you update the patches Jan 21 01:59:07 zsoc: alochawk++ Jan 21 01:59:13 spotter is investigating it Jan 21 01:59:40 zsoc: i got http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5969495&sourceid=1500000000000007346330&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=5969495 off of woot a while back Jan 21 02:00:02 does this help when the cops pull you over Jan 21 02:00:07 Abyssul: precisely why I am waiting on sslow Jan 21 02:00:08 they can save time? Jan 21 02:00:14 I won't push the latest round till he replies. Jan 21 02:00:21 helps before you get on the road? Jan 21 02:00:26 Replies for what? Jan 21 02:00:36 PullingJ: i want one D: Jan 21 02:01:00 Rofl... To the breathanalyzer... Jan 21 02:01:17 zsoc: it's legit. actually at work, we have another model of alcohawk scanner that we use anytime random urinalysis (for drug screening) comes up Jan 21 02:01:17 Towzzer where can I find the aim and yahoo specific sign in / connect info? Jan 21 02:01:18 Abyssul: he submitted a patch called "Evdo to 4g" Jan 21 02:01:24 * PullingJ in the navy Jan 21 02:01:26 Abyssul: and that is VERY misleading. Jan 21 02:01:33 It is Jan 21 02:01:41 Abyssul: it's actually a scrim patch that allows you to make a new 3g icon. Jan 21 02:01:47 Towzzer: what is the name of this legitimate tethering app? Jan 21 02:01:50 Yea Jan 21 02:02:17 btw, the alcohawk is an AWESOME drinking game Jan 21 02:02:38 I thought I remember seeing 4g icons in the system ui folder or I was mistaken for something also Jan 21 02:03:45 does anyone know what is the name of this legitimate tethering app? Jan 21 02:03:47 Or maybe he means you can change the EVDO to a 4g icon Jan 21 02:03:54 but still, that needs to be named differently. Jan 21 02:03:57 and I want his input Jan 21 02:04:29 wtf Jan 21 02:04:35 I think that is the function Jan 21 02:04:37 this can't be right Jan 21 02:04:45 It replaces the evdo icon with 4g icon Jan 21 02:05:01 Read a request for it last night Jan 21 02:05:55 But it should be named differently. Jan 21 02:06:24 ..... Jan 21 02:06:31 I'm connecting through wifi Jan 21 02:06:46 it does work Jan 21 02:07:31 zsoc: I'd expect to see codemonkies.net get a take-down notice for that .... Jan 21 02:07:32 connected via mobile hotspot app Jan 21 02:07:51 rwhitby: it's been up forever... i never thought anything of it till you made the comment the other day Jan 21 02:07:54 not USB or BT Jan 21 02:08:27 kyu: from updated daemon or orig? Jan 21 02:08:46 original daemon but I installed pmnetmanager Jan 21 02:09:36 maybe that did it? Jan 21 02:11:10 zsoc: linux-only too Jan 21 02:11:20 I was messing with freetether I dunno if that also helped Jan 21 02:11:36 but connected via wifi right now via mobile hotspot app Jan 21 02:12:10 I was going to get to testing pmnetmanager Jan 21 02:12:13 hey that's neat. you can use the phone as a flashdrive and stay connected to ssh hehe Jan 21 02:12:13 hadn't tested it yet Jan 21 02:12:17 i can try it now Jan 21 02:12:30 actually, probably wont Jan 21 02:13:00 is 4g essentiallyreally just provider provided (haha funny) wifi hotspots? Jan 21 02:13:13 spotter: your listing on the forum seemed like maybe that package had some basic ip forwarding/assigning stuff Jan 21 02:13:34 which made me think it might be needed Jan 21 02:17:20 yeah you probably need pmnetmgr Jan 21 02:17:42 where is controller_scene.js at? Jan 21 02:24:27 gettimeofday({1264040623, 921783}, NULL) = 0 .... --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) --- <--- anyone experiencing gettimeofday causing segfaults?! Jan 21 02:40:59 better set down the pre on the touchstone while hotspotting it Jan 21 02:42:09 * Sk1tt1sh cries... cannot figure it out....... Jan 21 02:43:49 i get internet and cable tomorrow :D Jan 21 02:43:49 woot Jan 21 02:45:04 got meta-doctor to work, i am back to stage one - have a perfectly working wifi in my house, but pre states "no internet connection" Jan 21 02:45:34 Puff: I'm connected via mobilehotspot Jan 21 02:46:22 I installed the app and the pmnetmanager and it seems to work with the daemon in 1.3.5.1 Jan 21 02:48:38 can you access the internet though Jan 21 02:48:44 yeah Jan 21 02:48:56 whois KyuHTPC Jan 21 02:49:01 do a whois Jan 21 02:49:02 so you installed everything but the daemon itself Jan 21 02:49:05 rather Jan 21 02:49:08 sprint IP Jan 21 02:49:20 yeah Jan 21 02:49:30 I guess I can try it :p Jan 21 02:49:40 look at spotter's post showing the contents of pmnetmanager Jan 21 02:49:47 it's a bunch of iptables stuff Jan 21 02:49:59 probably to forward data Jan 21 02:50:36 KyuHTPC is my HTPC connected via my Pre on wireless Jan 21 02:50:42 this is my netbook Jan 21 02:50:55 on my regular wireless Jan 21 02:51:06 regular wifi* Jan 21 02:51:47 what was the command you used to install the ipkgs again? Jan 21 02:52:08 someone suggested that maybe the pmnetmanager stuff might already be in 1.3.5.1 but that might be outdated Jan 21 02:52:19 I just used webos quick install to be honest Jan 21 02:52:33 that'll work **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jan 21 02:59:56 2010