**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jan 23 02:59:57 2010 Jan 23 03:05:54 yay Jan 23 03:06:03 orange lock works now too in Terminus Jan 23 03:13:46 sadface, top doesn't look too good in terminus Jan 23 03:14:07 it looks decent Jan 23 03:14:14 the display is pretty small Jan 23 03:14:34 there's lots of characters that render as squares and it scrolls so you can't read the top part of the window Jan 23 03:14:51 Quick java question, anyone know if you are able to access an outer classes' parent/super from within an inner class? Jan 23 03:22:56 VincentLaw: does terminal do that too? Jan 23 03:23:56 Loving where VBA is going Jan 23 03:26:45 Am I the only one who hates the change from orange to grey on the Plus models? Jan 23 03:28:18 PuffTheMagic_: no it displays just fine on Terminal Jan 23 03:29:01 VincentLaw: old version? Jan 23 03:29:10 cause i dont get any squares Jan 23 03:29:20 yeah i think there is a "top line" issue Jan 23 03:34:16 I'm running the one off the testing feed Jan 23 03:34:29 terminus isnt on the testing feed Jan 23 03:34:34 its in the main feed Jan 23 03:34:40 oh, then main :p Jan 23 03:34:45 got it off preware in any case :p Jan 23 03:38:08 VincentLaw: test 0.0.4 in a few min Jan 23 03:38:34 new terminius? Jan 23 03:39:22 in a few min Jan 23 03:39:33 cool deal Jan 23 03:39:59 any other tester have that weird orange button bug? Jan 23 03:40:15 what's a good irc channel for general pre questions Jan 23 03:40:43 there's #webos Jan 23 03:41:18 I thought that's for sdk usage Jan 23 03:41:42 it's centered on app development yes Jan 23 03:42:06 how general are your questions Jan 23 03:43:34 VincentLaw: hmm, apparently I wasn't registered on my pre, do Jan 23 03:43:40 doh Jan 23 03:43:42 just wanted to know the best way to fill in, buff, or hide small screen scratches Jan 23 03:43:53 VincentLaw: what is your TERM variable set to? Jan 23 03:44:14 destinal: I wouldn't know, I assume whatever the default is on the pre? Jan 23 03:44:39 unless installing SSH or Terminal changes it Jan 23 03:44:41 when you run terminus, what is TERM set to Jan 23 03:44:44 and if anyone has problems with the 2.5mm headset jack and audio quality Jan 23 03:45:06 let me reinstall it again and I'll tell you :p Jan 23 03:45:09 firestrider: ah, hmmm. Have you searched Precentral on the subject, there has to be at least 1 thread on that Jan 23 03:45:31 Hey guys. I am trying to install the freetether daemon, but when I try and install it through the IPK I get the error "cannot find package us.ryanhope.freetetherd"... Anyone knoe why? Jan 23 03:45:56 it's a 3.5mm jack Jan 23 03:46:44 and people have had problems with the jack Jan 23 03:46:55 I personally haven't though Jan 23 03:47:21 ya everytime any headphone connector moves horizontally I will lose a left or right audio channel or the sound pops Jan 23 03:47:26 okay destinal how do I find out what term is set to Jan 23 03:48:54 firestrider: I've had that kind of stuff happen on close to any device that uses a 3.5mm jack Jan 23 03:50:15 rwhitby: PuffTheMagic_ bpadalino: when people talk and are not registered, do they get any notification of that? Jan 23 03:50:20 or do they just think we're ignoring them? Jan 23 03:50:31 yeah they get a notification Jan 23 03:50:40 it says you suck go away Jan 23 03:51:02 oh, ok then Jan 23 03:51:45 destinal: i got the orage key lock working now and the cursor shows both shift and orange lock Jan 23 03:51:46 I didn't see anything in wirc but it was probably going to the server window Jan 23 03:52:14 destinal: we dont handle all events well Jan 23 03:52:16 :/ Jan 23 03:52:53 how do I check what TERM is set to destinal... :/ Jan 23 03:52:59 echo $TERM Jan 23 03:53:10 or set | grep TERM Jan 23 03:53:12 VincentLaw: probably vt100 Jan 23 03:53:20 unless u changed it in /ect/profile Jan 23 03:53:29 I suspect Linux actually Jan 23 03:53:45 destinal: nope Jan 23 03:53:48 vt100 is default Jan 23 03:53:56 PuffTheMagic_: does top show the blocks he was talking about or was it just him? Jan 23 03:53:57 xterm is what it should be Jan 23 03:54:04 destinal: i dont get that Jan 23 03:54:10 destinal: i get that when i play with fonts Jan 23 03:54:19 but not with the default fault Jan 23 03:54:24 PuffTheMagic_: well the blocks can be uninterpreted escape characters Jan 23 03:54:45 yeah possibly Jan 23 03:54:56 we used to have the problem when we only supported vt100 and the pre was treating us as linux Jan 23 03:55:04 in terminal Jan 23 03:55:18 lots of garbage basically Jan 23 03:55:42 hmm Jan 23 03:55:51 that could be it Jan 23 03:56:16 vt100 Jan 23 03:56:25 hmm, well that should be ok then Jan 23 03:56:45 why did you think it should be xterm btw? Jan 23 03:57:10 cause most terminal emulators set that Jan 23 03:57:13 the squares appear along the sides and on the top. it looks like tabs actually, in some places Jan 23 03:57:30 I'm just running top, btw Jan 23 03:57:38 I assume it's not doing this for you guys? Jan 23 03:57:50 VincentLaw: change TERM to xterm and logout/login Jan 23 03:57:53 and then run top again Jan 23 03:57:56 see if its different Jan 23 03:58:03 PuffTheMagic_: no need to logout Jan 23 03:58:09 it should work dynamically Jan 23 03:58:17 no it shouldnt Jan 23 03:58:20 okay how do I change it? $TERM=xterm ? Jan 23 03:58:30 VincentLaw: edit /etc/profile Jan 23 03:58:39 can I use ssh to edit that? :p Jan 23 03:58:42 destinal: export TERM=xterm would be instant Jan 23 03:58:47 VincentLaw: yeah Jan 23 03:58:56 PuffTheMagic_: right Jan 23 03:59:00 destinal: editing /etc/profile needs 'source /etc/profile' Jan 23 03:59:03 that's what I thought you meant sorry Jan 23 03:59:03 or a logout/login Jan 23 03:59:19 not to change it permanently Jan 23 03:59:21 no reason for that Jan 23 04:04:46 that somewhat fixed it Jan 23 04:04:56 the squares are gone, but the top still isn't displaying perfectly Jan 23 04:05:10 namely the column names are completely gone Jan 23 04:05:25 I imagine that might be because of no support for background color Jan 23 04:05:50 0.0.4 is tagged and staged for building by autobuilder Jan 23 04:05:55 should be in preware in a few min Jan 23 04:06:06 also dang it uses a lot of cpu e.e Jan 23 04:06:18 and worse, it just crashed my phone :/ Jan 23 04:07:18 VincentLaw: yeah there are some crashes that i havent figured out Jan 23 04:07:32 VincentLaw: this is a fork of aproject that has been dead for ~6 years i beleive Jan 23 04:07:40 i do expect some issues Jan 23 04:08:02 VincentLaw: iw ould excpect the cpu usage would go way down when we start using GLES Jan 23 04:08:03 terminius only crashed my phone once Jan 23 04:08:18 had some lock ups but it fought through Jan 23 04:08:40 destinal: why does the autobuilder always skip my stuff at least once Jan 23 04:21:30 0.0.4 is out Jan 23 04:24:49 Anyone had any luck installing stuff like Nessus, nmap, metasploit... Etc on a WebOS device? Jan 23 04:26:37 updated terminus Jan 23 04:27:04 ah option thing fixed Jan 23 04:27:42 startup takes like almost 30 seconds Jan 23 04:30:07 color changing cursor is nice Jan 23 04:32:07 well initial startup is like 30 seconds subsequent launches are much shorter Jan 23 04:32:13 idk whats up with the startup Jan 23 04:32:22 cause when u start it from a shell it starts instantly Jan 23 04:33:22 yeah and after that initial startup any time you run it again after that it's only a few seconds Jan 23 04:59:59 Anyone got an insight on security apps for/on WebOS? Jan 23 05:14:30 PuffTheMagic_: the autobuilder is just discriminatory :P Jan 23 05:14:40 I don't know, I'll have to check into it Jan 23 05:14:47 huh? Jan 23 05:14:57 I haven't seen it skip before Jan 23 05:15:28 i push, and i know the tags are in place, and the next build goes and my new tag does not get built Jan 23 05:15:33 but the next time it runs it does Jan 23 05:15:40 it always gets skipped once Jan 23 05:16:16 N3O9Pr: what kind of security apps? Jan 23 05:17:42 PuffTheMagic_: probably a makefile dependency missing Jan 23 05:19:37 rwhitby: idk about that cause all i've been doing is bumping the version with no ther changes and it builds with out error Jan 23 05:19:45 just not the round i would expect Jan 23 05:20:07 its as if git pull happens at the end of the script Jan 23 05:20:17 so that it runs one and pull the next tag Jan 23 05:20:22 then runs again and processes the tag Jan 23 05:22:35 the script is two line: Jan 23 05:22:36 ( cd build ; git pull ) Jan 23 05:22:43 ( cd build ; make index upload ) Jan 23 05:23:58 well... what im describing is still happening Jan 23 05:24:03 regardless of the cause Jan 23 05:33:31 destinal: Nessus, Nmap, NC, Metasploit, Cain, John, etc... Jan 23 05:34:26 N3O9Pr: some of them you can apt-get install with ipkg-opt Jan 23 05:34:37 s/apt-get/ipkg-opt/ Jan 23 05:34:37 destinal meant: N3O9Pr: some of them you can ipkg-opt install with ipkg-opt Jan 23 05:34:42 brain not working this late :-/ Jan 23 05:35:06 you can get the optware and ipkg-opt packages off preware Jan 23 05:35:26 then "ipkg-opt install nmap: Jan 23 05:35:38 "ipkg-opt install nmap" for instance Jan 23 05:36:05 Metasploit may just work after you "ipkg-opt install ruby" Jan 23 05:36:14 and so on Jan 23 05:36:40 Yeah... rwhitby mentioned it... I will try... I'll do my best to document this stuff, if it could help anyone out here. Jan 23 05:36:42 (though for metasploit it's probably not in optware and if not you'd have to wget it, extract it etc) Jan 23 05:37:05 N3O9Pr: I've thought of doing a whole pentester's toolkit on a pre and presenting it at DEFCON Jan 23 05:37:20 destinal: Looks like I am in a good place then. Jan 23 05:37:47 Glad your not like the rude bastards in ##security... Not that I don't like that chan... Just amazing how some people get Jan 23 05:37:55 biggest thing is for aircrack, the wifi chipset doesn't support injection Jan 23 05:38:05 so we'd probably need an external dongle after we get USB host mode working Jan 23 05:38:43 destinal: Heard... I'm just trying to focus on the low level tools right now... I'll work my way up to the crazier stuff.. Jan 23 05:38:53 destinal: I am trying to pull away from MSF anyway... Jan 23 05:39:28 yeah, for most of it you can just run it, it's linux. if it's not built, you could grab the WIDK (the same kit people are using to crosscompile doom or quake) and build it Jan 23 05:39:57 destinal: Heard... I'll see where it goes. Jan 23 05:40:21 Shes about 26 hours away from being broken in completely, so... Soon...Very soon. Jan 23 05:40:50 N3O9Pr: I've presented at defcon and sans in the past, and I lead the denver OWASP chapter, so you can tell I'm rather passionate about info sec :) Jan 23 05:41:44 destinal: I am glad to meet you.. =] Jan 23 05:41:56 I definitely am interested in working on this stuff some more as well :) Jan 23 05:42:13 destinal: I have quite a passion for it... But alas... not much training... Just a lot of years of "understaning" Jan 23 05:42:49 N3O9Pr: nice thing is, most of it you can basically teach yourself. also tons and tons of conferences have videos available too Jan 23 05:42:57 Once NetWars is over, I'll start working with the Pre hardcore. Jan 23 05:43:09 so I don't worry too much regarding formal training Jan 23 05:43:21 destinal: I have the lab set up and everything... But learning at home and actually doing it are two seperate things I have noticed... Jan 23 05:43:21 passionate is much more important Jan 23 05:43:58 destinal: I just want to do something I can feel good about, and come home to my family knowing that I might have helped stop someones loss... Even if I will never see that person... Jan 23 05:44:08 destinal: Never really been about the money. Jan 23 05:44:19 destinal: So the passions pretty deep Jan 23 05:45:18 yeah, I do a lot of penentration testing as part of my day job. I find it's very engaging and rewarding to be able to break into things so that I can get any issues resolved and prevent any of the black hats from doing it Jan 23 05:46:22 destinal: I hear ya... Jan 23 05:50:18 destinal: Have a good one, I'm out. Jan 23 05:50:21 Take it easy ya'll Jan 23 05:54:06 "destinal: yeah, I do a lot of penentration testing as part of my day job." Jan 23 05:54:24 oil: and no, I don't work in porn :P Jan 23 05:54:27 so destinal is a jiggalo? Jan 23 05:54:32 lol Jan 23 05:54:53 well, if you were, your job would probably be even more fun Jan 23 05:55:04 oil: no doubt Jan 23 05:55:55 infobot, destinal does a lot of penetration testing as part of his day job Jan 23 05:56:09 isn't he supposed to remember that stuff? Jan 23 05:56:10 lol Jan 23 05:56:11 ~destinal Jan 23 05:56:13 extra, extra, read all about it, destinal is a hoopy frood who always knows where his towel is. also maintainer of terminal and suspected of sed abuse in several jurisdictions. Jan 23 05:56:19 gah Jan 23 05:56:39 ~infobot, destinal does a lot of penetratino testing as part of his day job Jan 23 05:56:42 and it has to start with x IS Jan 23 05:56:43 aw, typo Jan 23 05:56:45 ~oil Jan 23 05:56:49 probably good that he didn't do it right Jan 23 05:56:55 lol, nothing for me Jan 23 05:57:06 there aws something retarded that the jerks in -watercolor put Jan 23 05:57:07 ~oil is a viscous flammable substance that PuffTheMagic uses to heat his home. Jan 23 05:57:08 destinal: okay Jan 23 05:57:08 i removed it Jan 23 05:57:14 lol Jan 23 05:57:53 ~PuffTheMagic Jan 23 05:58:05 awww Jan 23 05:58:09 lolk Jan 23 05:58:53 ~PuffTheMagic is a dragon Jan 23 05:58:54 okay, oil Jan 23 05:58:57 xD Jan 23 05:59:03 who lives by the sea? Jan 23 05:59:13 idk, isn't he inland? Jan 23 05:59:36 im by a river Jan 23 05:59:50 ~PuffTheMagic is by the river Jan 23 05:59:51 ...but puffthemagic is already something else... Jan 23 05:59:58 lol Jan 23 06:00:01 ~PuffTheMagic is also by the river Jan 23 06:00:02 okay, oil Jan 23 06:00:12 ~PuffTheMagic Jan 23 06:00:14 methinks puffthemagic is a dragon, or by the river Jan 23 06:00:18 lol Jan 23 06:00:26 ~PuffTheMagic is out of puff Jan 23 06:00:28 ...but puffthemagic is already something else... Jan 23 06:00:43 ~PuffTheMagic is also out of puff Jan 23 06:00:44 so you need to /nick TheMagic Jan 23 06:00:44 destinal: okay Jan 23 06:00:45 ? Jan 23 06:01:00 haha Jan 23 06:01:06 ~PuffTheMagic Jan 23 06:01:07 i heard puffthemagic is a dragon, or by the river, or out of puff Jan 23 06:01:12 lol Jan 23 06:01:12 yall needs better shit to do Jan 23 06:01:23 like work on terminus Jan 23 06:01:29 i tried that out Jan 23 06:01:32 i couldn't type / Jan 23 06:01:40 ~PuffTheMagic is also the terminus ENFORCER. Jan 23 06:01:42 okay, destinal Jan 23 06:01:48 oil: u should have been abled Jan 23 06:01:49 able Jan 23 06:01:55 ~PuffTheMagic is also RAAAGGE Jan 23 06:01:55 if u held down orange Jan 23 06:01:56 oil: okay Jan 23 06:02:04 hold it? Jan 23 06:02:04 oil: but orange lock works now Jan 23 06:02:10 ah Jan 23 06:02:20 oil: pre 0.0.4 i didnt implement the locks Jan 23 06:02:21 i'm trying to controll someone's home made UAV via pre over wifi Jan 23 06:02:34 PuffTheMagic_: it should also work when you press and release orange, the next key should be modified Jan 23 06:02:44 that's another thing we had to simulate mojo-like behavior in terminal Jan 23 06:02:46 yeah i didnt it Jan 23 06:02:52 destinal: just try it Jan 23 06:03:01 cool, will do Jan 23 06:03:06 tilt control + network latency + not being at the location = i think its gonna crash Jan 23 06:03:07 it doesn't start as fast as terminal Jan 23 06:03:26 oil: it does from cli Jan 23 06:03:28 acydlord: are you remote controlling deadly vehicles? Jan 23 06:03:36 so Jan 23 06:03:37 oil: something about "type:game" slows it down from some reason Jan 23 06:03:43 lol Jan 23 06:03:43 oil: i have to look into that Jan 23 06:03:48 it's only deadly if they take the rotor shrouds off Jan 23 06:04:00 i use the desktop if i need to control predator drones Jan 23 06:04:01 oil: if u ssh or novaterm in and launch temrinus it starts instantly Jan 23 06:04:03 idk whats up Jan 23 06:04:12 acydlord: :) Jan 23 06:04:18 but that kind of removes the point of it, no? Jan 23 06:04:24 or if i feel like dropping solar pannels off my satellite onto unsuspecting humans Jan 23 06:04:38 i mean, what do i need terminus for if im going to hook it up and ssh or novaterm? Jan 23 06:05:19 ~acydlord is known to have considered dropping solar panels off his satellites onto unsuspecting humans. Jan 23 06:05:20 okay, destinal Jan 23 06:05:31 lol Jan 23 06:05:52 as opposed to unsuspecting farm animals? Jan 23 06:06:19 when i asked if there was anything i was absolutely not allowed to do with this satellite, the company that owns it said "Under no circumstances may you use it as a dumb-bomb" Jan 23 06:06:33 lol Jan 23 06:06:35 so i figure a solar panel or two is fair game Jan 23 06:06:37 lol Jan 23 06:08:00 the orange/blue notification on the karrot is sexy Jan 23 06:09:08 top isn't so sexy Jan 23 06:09:37 i sent it to card, and my phone just locked up Jan 23 06:10:54 ~top Jan 23 06:10:56 top is, like, not a benchmark Jan 23 06:11:19 ~benchmark Jan 23 06:11:20 You want to switch to 2.6 right now after you read http://bulk.fefe.de/scalability/ Jan 23 06:11:21 i ran it, and it was hideous Jan 23 06:14:10 where is the pipe in terminus? Jan 23 06:14:24 explained in the key command list Jan 23 06:14:28 oh Jan 23 06:14:36 terminus, idk, ask themagic Jan 23 06:15:30 yeah, in terminal it was orange-period Jan 23 06:17:59 does anyone notice if terminus seems faster or slower than terminal at this point? Jan 23 06:18:14 seems faster Jan 23 06:18:29 however i appear to be having some kind of term issues Jan 23 06:18:42 yeah I think there are some terminal emulation bugs Jan 23 06:18:44 i keep seeing white boxes instead of newlines Jan 23 06:18:50 in top, nano, etc Jan 23 06:19:09 bbl Jan 23 06:19:13 ctrl-p brings up a blank line does bring up the previous command, though Jan 23 06:26:59 terminus is work in progress Jan 23 06:27:22 dont be surprised there are bug Jan 23 06:35:10 oh, i'm not surprised. just reporting my findings Jan 23 06:35:22 PuffTheMagic_: where is the pipe in terminus? Jan 23 06:42:44 PullingJ: there is none Jan 23 06:42:58 PullingJ: you really dont have to report findings yet either, i know its state Jan 23 06:43:01 i dont expect a lot Jan 23 06:43:20 ok, well i'll be watching for updates Jan 23 06:46:39 lol some fun backlog Jan 23 06:55:35 Is it true it's always happy hour here? 'cause if it is, I'd like to stay a while... Jan 23 07:17:02 . Jan 23 07:17:07 finally Jan 23 07:17:11 whats with the +R Jan 23 07:17:33 rwhitby: found an interesting bug in preware Jan 23 07:17:46 temporarily the only way to stop the spambots Jan 23 07:18:14 so batt saver kicked in just as I was clicking on update all Jan 23 07:18:23 rwhitby, just reported bug to trac for preware Jan 23 07:18:40 apps installed button pops up and rest of ui freezes for a bit Jan 23 07:18:49 (error when installing dependencies from the "view" scene and don't get error popup) Jan 23 07:19:06 after re-enabling wifi things still fail positively Jan 23 07:20:48 looks like those updates are handled by the app cat tho Jan 23 07:22:39 whats the user agent patch called Jan 23 07:25:57 Robi_: I have no idea what the actual bug is from your description. What does "batt saver kicked in" mean. What's an "apps installed button". What does "things still fail positively mean". Jan 23 07:26:47 before delving into that. can preware update all if apps are in app catalog? Jan 23 07:27:14 my guess is no. hence the weirdness Jan 23 07:27:37 It skips the apps from the app catalog. Jan 23 07:28:24 ya not obvious Jan 23 07:29:37 hm i still can't find the user agent patch for the browser Jan 23 07:33:19 Robi_: please add the bug to the wiki preware talk page Jan 23 07:46:25 rwhitby: still looking for that page Jan 23 07:46:48 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application_talk:Preware Jan 23 07:47:02 oh it's the discussion link, DOH Jan 23 07:47:07 first google hit for "preware talk" ;-) Jan 23 07:47:40 i was poking around recently changed pages then saw a talk link there Jan 23 07:49:59 131 patches installed in webos 1.3.1... is that a sign Jan 23 07:51:01 user agent patch = binary patch = not in preware Jan 23 07:51:44 egaudet: ya got that now ;-/ thx Jan 23 07:54:18 rwhitby: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application_talk:Preware#Investigate_Update_All_functionality_with_multiple_App_Catalog_apps this ok ? Jan 23 08:00:13 is there a tool to help with making patches? Jan 23 08:00:31 i just want to modify a few Jan 23 08:00:53 getting complex having to deal with signing and packaging Jan 23 08:04:03 modify a few existing patches? Jan 23 08:04:10 yep Jan 23 08:04:18 the packaging is easy just submit to webos-patches portal Jan 23 08:04:30 one needs more variation Jan 23 08:05:05 if you update existing patches that aren't trivial "fixes" or change any behavior I would either submit new patch based on it or contact maintainer before updating Jan 23 08:05:29 but in any event use the webos-patches portal is the way to do that Jan 23 08:05:46 http://webos-patches.dbsooner.com/ Jan 23 08:06:01 oh Jan 23 08:06:03 so not http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Patches_to_webOS Jan 23 08:08:38 no that is outdated right now and needs updating. That was mainly used when command line quilt was the way to patch Jan 23 08:08:49 nod Jan 23 08:09:22 see for the topbar add date dd-MMM-yy patch, I don't want the -yy Jan 23 08:09:29 so that'll be a new patch Jan 23 08:09:51 but it's not easy to clone an existing one and modify it all from the portal Jan 23 08:11:32 MTW was K-Lined.. Jan 23 08:12:29 spam related I imagine Jan 23 08:12:34 hmm Jan 23 08:13:28 Robi_, that already exists Jan 23 08:13:36 what does? Jan 23 08:13:43 dd-MM without yy Jan 23 08:13:54 wrong Jan 23 08:13:58 dd-MMM Jan 23 08:14:01 or MMM-dd Jan 23 08:14:03 the portal is the place you submit, you don't create/modify the patch there Jan 23 08:14:20 you do that however you are most comfortable on your host or pre Jan 23 08:14:38 oh there's mm-dd no dd-mm ok Jan 23 08:15:54 egaudet: you're missing it still Jan 23 08:16:12 dd-mm = 23-01 Jan 23 08:16:21 dd-MMM - 23 Jan Jan 23 08:16:37 ohh Jan 23 08:17:16 :) Jan 23 08:22:00 hello channel, i have a question Jan 23 08:22:07 where do temp files from installed app catalog apps are? Jan 23 08:22:21 bc i been tying to install some apps that if they fail to download properly the first time, they wont never install afterwards Jan 23 08:53:52 interesting Jan 23 08:53:57 Testing out wIRC, just got done registering. Nifty program as always, guys! Jan 23 08:54:25 I OTA from 1.3.1 to 1.3.5.1, it does it's "installing update" migration thing... seemingly reboots and goes back to installing update migration thing again, like 3-4 times Jan 23 08:54:31 and now I have ! www.palm.com/ROM Jan 23 08:55:48 yeow... that's a problem I have not encountered yet. Jan 23 08:56:11 yep well doctor back to 1.3.1 and install 131 patches again here I go Jan 23 08:57:44 my last OTA was disastrous because of all my patches I stupidly left on but I didn't have to doctor. my only problem is no 4x4 icons, but I'm waiting til 1.4 ahah >.> Jan 23 08:59:07 !!.... the VBA wiki page no longer says 1.1.0 isn't out... Jan 23 09:01:04 Azuma: hahaha Jan 23 09:01:11 Azuma: do you have some trigger or something? XD Jan 23 09:01:23 Azuma: it's being pushed to preware now Jan 23 09:01:38 Eep! I'm super stoked is all, haha. caught me. :) Jan 23 09:01:57 Azuma: which means 5-40 min depending Jan 23 09:02:09 The Quake onscreen controls blew me away, very innovative! Jan 23 09:03:35 Awesome, excellent news! I'm shocked I didn't find out about this until just before 1.0.6, precentral should be all over this! Jan 23 09:04:46 Azuma: i think there will be an article in a day or so? i don't know anyone there but others do. it needed a bit of polish first anyway Jan 23 09:07:51 Yeah, I can understand that *nod* Jan 23 09:10:02 Azuma: it's out Jan 23 09:10:32 Well I'll be happy to provide feedback as soon as I get some testing done, I love that I can interchange save files with my Wii GBA homebrew :) Jan 23 09:10:46 omg as I was typing :D Jan 23 09:20:41 Wow! That was not what I was expecting at all, but very awesome! Jan 23 09:21:18 Azuma: glad you will provide feedback Jan 23 09:21:26 Azuma: what'd you expect and how was this different? :) Jan 23 09:22:01 Castlevania AoS is MUCH easier to play now, can actually hit enemies in the air. Jan 23 09:23:01 I was thinking transparent controls ala Quake but this makes much more sense as you can fully view the game while playing Jan 23 09:24:27 also the orientiation dis/enabling the OSC was a nice touch. I did notice that AoS goes to 120-140% on the map screen :) Jan 23 09:26:30 yeah the overlay (transparent one i mean) provided too expensive to render. and like you said seeing the whole screen is nice too :). Jan 23 09:26:45 I did unintentionally hit up or down a few times while walking but of course I'm still getting used to it lol. Jan 23 09:26:47 the screen size is still at least native Jan 23 09:27:20 Azuma: yeah.... it's hard to make it act like a proper dpad. if you think you have an idea to make it feel more natural lemme know (or pm me in the future) Jan 23 09:28:04 yes I'd imagine it would be taxing, I did notice a lot of overall phone lag for about 10 sec during rom load but nothing out of the ordinary Jan 23 09:29:48 sure, if I come up with anything I'll let ya know! it's definitely a huge step up from trying to figure out a 1 handed button layout in landscape for action games :) Jan 23 09:31:03 I could now load up a game and have someone that's never touched a pre be able to enjoy it no problem. Jan 23 09:31:33 any here has tried the freeTether-MobileHotspot setup? Jan 23 09:33:47 I plan to when I get my netbook in a few days... Jan 23 09:34:10 i've heard conflicting info and am just trying to sort things out Jan 23 09:34:39 some say to install com.palm.app.mobilehotspotupdatepre_1.0.3_all.ipk, others say just the com.palm.app.mobilehotspot_1.0.3_all.ipk Jan 23 09:36:28 I believe you have to "install" the updatepre to get the other 3, but don't tap the launch icon because it will RUN the updater Jan 23 09:37:09 dtzWill I am also surprised that it can handle 3 buttons at once! that's crazy... Jan 23 09:37:47 Azuma: up to five mice i think Jan 23 09:38:14 Azuma: load times are mostly due to read speeds afaik, loading it a second tme should be faster. Jan 23 09:43:11 what's a good game to play on vba Jan 23 09:43:22 is there a mario kart? Jan 23 09:43:30 wow.. very cool. ooh you're right, I reopened AoS and it was almost instant load. I've noticed FPS is a lot higher during less intense screens Jan 23 09:44:05 sure is Jan 23 09:44:27 mario kart suoer circuit Jan 23 09:44:38 erp.. super. Jan 23 09:45:33 egaudet: rpg's are particularly good just b/c you can pick it up/leave easily, don't have to fight controls since it's not time-sensitive, etc Jan 23 09:45:36 metroid fusion/zero mission, any castlevania or mario advance is great for testing the touchscreen. ;) Jan 23 09:45:47 but lots of good games :D Jan 23 09:45:50 i'm a zelda fan myself hehe Jan 23 09:46:06 link me to mario kart if there's a legal/free one :P Jan 23 09:46:08 on that note, either fire emblem, or advance wars Jan 23 09:46:32 egaudet: take a look at the wiki http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:VBA for the compatability list and some of the controls/information that might help you get started Jan 23 09:46:55 egaudet: there are free roms there, fwiw. no legal mario kart afaik :) Jan 23 09:47:36 k I'll find a free one to try out Jan 23 09:47:42 thanks Jan 23 09:48:18 egaudet: compat list has links and tells you which work well fwiw :) Jan 23 09:50:10 Azuma: you see the auto-save functionality? you like? Jan 23 09:51:49 cool stuff, I'll get some roms tomorrow :) for now time to sleep Jan 23 09:52:04 ah yes, I have noticed that! the sound stays off now. although I think it's pretty awesome that the sound will stream to my bluetooth headphones xD Jan 23 09:52:06 egaudet: ty, sleep well :) Jan 23 09:52:51 Azuma: oh i didn't mean saving settings. but yes that's an overdue feature :). i mean there's a new 'autosave' functionality (ampersand enables it) where when you throw the card away etc it writes to a save so next time you load the rom it automatically resumes where you were Jan 23 09:53:20 it was an idea i had and i'm finding it decently useful, but curious how useful it really is (for others, etc) Jan 23 09:55:07 !.. oh ho, yes I see that now.. I can't really see a reason I would disable that now :D I've sat through the opening for super mario world like 5 times forgetting to save state lol! Jan 23 09:55:48 Azuma: :D. good feature then if you wanna leave it on :) Jan 23 09:58:07 ahaha wow that is so cool, definitely a keeper! I've never seen that on the hundreds of emus I've used on different platforms, but is very practical Jan 23 09:58:16 ~testing-feed Jan 23 09:58:17 testing-feed is, like, a means of testing new WebOS Internals products, documented at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds Jan 23 10:02:37 I also find it funny that someone else came up with using Pogones inside VBA.. I didn't really care for nesem, not $10 software by any means... Jan 23 10:03:38 Azuma: yeah i didn't even think of that. does it work? :) Jan 23 10:05:20 I believe a forum user said it did work, it's been 4 years or so since my gba flashcart days but I don't see why not :D I also ran snes on it... but that was pushing it hard... hrmmm Jan 23 10:07:46 erp, I meant pocketnes, but pogoshell would be interesting too! let me check that out :o Jan 23 10:16:30 alrighty... compiled a pocketnes rom.. will report back soon :D Jan 23 10:17:03 I also found out there's SMSadvance! that might be worth a shot Jan 23 10:18:04 hahah that's awesome Jan 23 10:55:05 AquaCulinaris: nice post regarding snes on vba :D Jan 23 10:55:10 hi Jan 23 10:55:21 AquaCulinaris: sory i mean azuma, tab complete fail. Jan 23 10:56:34 :D so I got snesadvance running through VBA... Jan 23 10:59:22 Azuma: yeah! saw your post. that's awesome! :D Jan 23 11:02:15 I was quite surprised myself! every game I tried opened and is at least playable.. contra III, earthworm jim, street fighter II.. Jan 23 11:02:35 which also means SMSadvance should work no problem! Jan 23 11:06:34 brb, testing sms now! Jan 23 11:21:58 Sweeeet, SMS advance also works! Got Sonic 1 to run. :D Jan 23 11:23:52 Azuma: thta's glorious Jan 23 11:27:38 If you need any advice compiling a rom for those just lemme know :) the auto save state works on the emus as well btw Jan 23 11:36:02 I'm gonna hit the sack though, 630 am here lol... Night guys :) Jan 23 11:37:13 haha night Azuma Jan 23 11:37:26 hi guys! just wanted to drop in to tell whom it may concern that every patch the lock and screen app that i tried, breaks it on the o2 gsm (germany) modell Jan 23 11:37:41 in every verion of webos there is Jan 23 11:37:52 +to Jan 23 11:38:06 where did the patch come from? Jan 23 11:38:12 preware Jan 23 11:38:20 lets have look Jan 23 11:38:23 which patch in particular Jan 23 11:38:44 1 sec Jan 23 11:39:29 - no auto-off while charging Jan 23 11:39:43 einalex: The most pathces for screen do not care abozut the local language files Jan 23 11:39:57 - enable LED notifications Jan 23 11:40:06 so you get a mesed up screen as it only patches a enlisch file and the programm aprt Jan 23 11:40:40 yes the app is messed up as in the brightnes slider has disappeared and some other controls are gone as well Jan 23 11:40:41 einalex: I updated the one for the German Pre and sed it to dBsooner Jan 23 11:41:04 But it looks as hi did not push the update to preware until now as it shcould then work for you Jan 23 11:41:32 looks like it Jan 23 11:41:50 i didn't try the remaining 3 patches to the app Jan 23 11:42:17 also I updated the topbar YY.MM to work on the German pre but I epext that this one ist too still in the release que of dBsooner Jan 23 11:42:34 but most of the top-menu patches are broken in the same way Jan 23 11:42:44 I only updated this tow as I whanted tu use them :-) Jan 23 11:43:11 I could update some, if they would make it to the catalog Jan 23 11:43:26 (as i don't use them myself) Jan 23 11:43:35 same proble I guess. Some developers in Germany have to take over to unlcude the add once for the german files like I did for this two once Jan 23 11:43:50 The Topbar battery patches are working. I use them Jan 23 11:44:49 may be didn't try. was talking about the top menu patches, like the one that removes the date or the one that removes the battery indicator and so on Jan 23 11:45:53 i wonder if one could write patches that are language independent Jan 23 11:46:32 Ypu can find information how to update the patches here http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Patches_to_webOS and then submit your results to preware here http://webos-patches.dbsooner.com/ Jan 23 11:46:39 i'll have a look at the patches later Jan 23 11:47:16 thanks for the links Jan 23 11:48:22 That will not be possible as the most screen are a *.js file for the function and a *.htm file for the text and positioning in every language Jan 23 11:48:57 That is why some TopBar patches work as the only need to path the *.js file and not the language depandedn *.htm file Jan 23 11:49:02 sure but the positioning code should be mostly identical Jan 23 11:49:12 apart from the text that is... Jan 23 11:49:47 The YY.MM patch failed for germany as it was searching for the "/" as the date delemiter but in Gemany we have a ".". The new one now checks for both Jan 23 12:16:16 so the recommended patch creation process involves quilt right? Jan 23 12:20:22 i'm available for testing (german pre) Jan 23 12:22:27 wonderful ;) Jan 23 12:22:53 german pre in switzerland to be precise Jan 23 12:23:30 i have the files modified already. i'm just not sure n how to create the patch Jan 23 12:24:22 all these svn tools made me weak *g* Jan 23 12:50:47 swisstomcat: think of a good translation for "Blink notifications" Jan 23 12:50:59 hmm Jan 23 12:51:47 "... Benachrichtungen" Jan 23 12:52:26 blinkende benachrichtigungen sounds pretty shitty Jan 23 12:53:38 yeah Jan 23 12:53:50 visuelle benachrichtigungen Jan 23 12:54:27 well.. the "normal" kind of notification is visual as well Jan 23 12:54:46 but not if the screen is off Jan 23 12:55:08 hm does the center button have a name? Jan 23 12:55:31 led-benachrichtigungen Jan 23 12:55:43 yeah thats a good backuo solution Jan 23 12:56:09 led-hinweis says aquaculinaris Jan 23 12:56:35 hm i'll have a look at other vendors websites Jan 23 12:56:42 and check what they call it Jan 23 12:57:22 o2 used "Benachrichtigungen" all over the place so i'd rather stick with that Jan 23 12:57:57 benachrichtigungen durch die blinkende led Jan 23 12:58:44 benachrichtigungen durch den blinkenden "center-button" ... or whatever it's called in german Jan 23 13:02:04 yeah whatever its called Jan 23 13:02:07 i can't find it.. Jan 23 13:04:59 focus online calls it trackball Jan 23 13:04:59 tz Jan 23 13:05:46 yeah, but it's not really a trackball Jan 23 13:06:09 mittlere taste Jan 23 13:06:10 :) Jan 23 13:07:01 Silberknopf Benachrichtigungen *g* Jan 23 13:08:18 im benutzerhandbuch steht auch "mittlere taste" Jan 23 13:08:33 tippen sie auf die mittlere taste, um die kartenansicht anzuzeigen Jan 23 13:08:54 the pre plus won't even have a silberknopf anymore Jan 23 13:11:00 yeah Jan 23 13:11:06 noticed that as well Jan 23 13:12:35 but i guess the leds beside the button will stay Jan 23 13:14:30 Gestenbereich Benachrichtigungen? Jan 23 13:16:01 eek Jan 23 13:16:14 tönt nach beamtendeutsch Jan 23 13:16:31 jup Jan 23 13:16:35 happens when ibm tried to translate their technical manual into german Jan 23 13:16:41 tries Jan 23 13:20:54 let's stay with led benachrichtigungen Jan 23 13:22:37 Whoa when do this turn into #webos-internals-germany Jan 23 13:22:45 when did* Jan 23 13:25:56 when we started talking about translations for the led notifications patch Jan 23 13:26:15 btw o2 screwed up big time and now diff thinks the text files are binary Jan 23 13:26:49 sorry, we'll try to stay in german Jan 23 13:27:06 :) Jan 23 13:29:09 i think it might be a codepage problem...or they used some oscure windows editor to create the file Jan 23 13:29:16 every line ends with ^M Jan 23 13:29:58 any idea on how to generate a patch from that? Jan 23 13:30:00 which file? Jan 23 13:30:05 einalex: er... could be your editor? I've seen vi do that under certain circumstances Jan 23 13:30:29 /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.screenlock/resources/de_de/views/securityconfig/securityconfig-scene.html Jan 23 13:30:47 yes its vi Jan 23 13:30:56 but vi is just displaying whats already there Jan 23 13:31:03 i can edit the file perfectly Jan 23 13:31:08 just can't diff it Jan 23 13:33:46 just edited in nano same result Jan 23 13:33:52 nano says its a dos file format Jan 23 13:47:22 hiho Jan 23 13:48:05 accessing SDL in the port env: src/sdlayer.c:9:17: error: SDL.h: No such file or directory Jan 23 13:59:00 morning guys, Jan 23 13:59:16 moin Jan 23 13:59:29 Does anyone on-channel know how to check battery charge/discharge rate? Jan 23 13:59:53 not me Jan 23 14:00:10 my idiotic pre is discharging _while_ connected to a power supply. Jan 23 14:00:18 nice Jan 23 14:00:29 running top says that it's loafing along at 1 to 3% utilitzation Jan 23 14:00:34 so I can't figure it. Jan 23 14:01:13 and it seems unlikely to be any of the patches I installed, all of which are simple launcher patches (4x4, etc) Jan 23 14:01:49 wasn't there an app called battery monitor that showed the rate? Jan 23 14:02:23 homebrew Jan 23 14:03:46 searching Jan 23 14:04:27 found it. Jan 23 14:04:32 ok, installing that. Jan 23 14:04:50 "-march=pentium" sound wrong :) Jan 23 14:07:18 yep no plug -271 ma plugged in -31 ma Jan 23 14:10:06 and now - plugged in -78 Jan 23 14:10:12 which is just -wrong- Jan 23 14:10:13 wow Jan 23 14:10:31 I wonder which thing I installed is eating power.... Jan 23 14:10:32 swap it again? Jan 23 14:11:03 it was fine all day yesterday until I starting bringing it back to my custom state last night. Jan 23 14:11:18 doctor it again I guess. Jan 23 14:11:28 :-* Jan 23 14:11:32 dang Jan 23 14:11:37 Rick-home: did you reboot yet? Jan 23 14:11:48 lots of times Jan 23 14:11:57 i've had my pre not charge before when hooked to power, but a reboot normally cleared it up Jan 23 14:12:09 kill random things with jstop maybe Jan 23 14:35:16 is there a way to get novacomd (or whatever is need to get things like nova com and webosquickinstall to work) running without enabling developer mode and rebooting? Jan 23 14:37:11 nope Jan 23 14:37:20 you need dev mode Jan 23 14:38:12 dev mode is required afaik Jan 23 14:38:34 i would agree Jan 23 14:39:06 i agree it is generally required. but i would think there is a way just to start the services developer mode starts manually Jan 23 14:39:11 one of them being novacomd Jan 23 14:39:59 they run at boot time, outside luna afaik Jan 23 14:40:32 well i'll dig into the novacomd upstart script later when i'm not in developer mode i guess Jan 23 14:41:07 oh i remember last time i messed with it. there is a need to get gadgetfs mounted on /dev/gadget Jan 23 14:41:21 ok... why, may I ask, do you need this? Jan 23 14:41:31 i don't like rebooting Jan 23 14:41:40 ahh, lol Jan 23 14:41:57 I just leave mine in dev mode Jan 23 14:42:00 takes too long. Jan 23 14:42:24 dev mode makes the firewall wide open from what i read back when i first got the pre at launch Jan 23 14:42:58 i guess you could run some scripts to lock the firewall back down if that's true Jan 23 14:43:11 it's a phone... I don't do banking or anything on it lol Jan 23 14:43:47 mainly play games... and phone calls Jan 23 14:44:03 anyway, gtg Jan 23 14:57:40 can i use patch to replace a whole file (not its contents? Jan 23 14:58:34 or the patching process we use? Jan 23 14:59:32 patch can replace the whole content Jan 23 15:01:59 my problem is diff doesn't work on the files because it thinks they are binary Jan 23 15:02:12 (dos file format) Jan 23 15:02:17 (says nano) Jan 23 15:05:57 so i could create a patch be convertig the files first Jan 23 15:06:22 but we couldn't apply it because it wouldn't work on the file on other peoples phones Jan 23 15:08:00 don't know a solution Jan 23 15:08:38 hopefully someone else does Jan 23 15:08:53 otherwise there won't be any patches for o2 pres Jan 23 15:11:30 why? Jan 23 15:11:37 what did you want to patch? Jan 23 15:12:11 I made a patch for O2 Pres :) Jan 23 15:12:36 i corrected the led notification patch Jan 23 15:12:44 which doesn't work on german o2 pres Jan 23 15:12:44 cool Jan 23 15:12:51 but the german html file Jan 23 15:12:53 there was a patch for 1.3.1 Jan 23 15:12:56 is in some dos file format Jan 23 15:12:58 was it your#s? Jan 23 15:13:01 no Jan 23 15:13:07 i just did it this morning Jan 23 15:13:10 ok, means the new file needs to be DOS too Jan 23 15:13:18 yes ofcourse Jan 23 15:13:19 then you diff and it works Jan 23 15:13:25 thats not the problem Jan 23 15:13:31 what els? Jan 23 15:13:40 the problem is that i can't get diff to well diff the two files Jan 23 15:13:49 because it thinks they are binary Jan 23 15:13:52 which file did you cahnge? Jan 23 15:14:06 /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.screenlock/resources/de_de/views/securityconfig/securityconfig-scene.html Jan 23 15:15:38 what is to change? I will try if I get a working patch file Jan 23 15:15:47 and even if i can create a diff there is still the question whether or not patch can apply it... Jan 23 15:16:03 I will try on my Pre Jan 23 15:16:12 the commented part, or? Jan 23 15:16:32 look at line 97 Jan 23 15:16:40 there is commented stuff Jan 23 15:16:45 yes, the commented stuff Jan 23 15:16:52 ok, 2 parts in this file Jan 23 15:16:56 i translated it as well Jan 23 15:17:10 the commented stuff at the end has to be changed too Jan 23 15:17:13 ofcourse Jan 23 15:17:26 Der Gestenbereich blinkt, wenn neue Benachrichtigungen eintreffen. Jan 23 15:17:37 LED Benachrichtigungen Jan 23 15:17:44 these are the strings i used Jan 23 15:18:16 ok Jan 23 15:18:22 if you get a solution be sure to tell me Jan 23 15:18:49 there are quit a number of other patches that need some correction to work on the german pres Jan 23 15:18:51 blinkt der ganze gestenbereich oder nur der knopf? Jan 23 15:18:58 just the button Jan 23 15:19:08 the text is from the english version Jan 23 15:19:22 der mittlere "Knopf" blinkt, wenn ... Jan 23 15:19:58 english verions is: The gesture area blinks when new notifications arrive. Jan 23 15:20:28 doesnt seem right? Jan 23 15:20:44 this would mean the whole gesture area would blink Jan 23 15:20:54 or am i just pendandic? :) Jan 23 15:21:03 pendantic? Jan 23 15:22:19 what was the corrtc diff command? Jan 23 15:22:30 Ifound it yesterday but can't find it today... Jan 23 15:24:36 quotationmarks suck. Jan 23 15:24:52 diff -uN oldfile newfile Jan 23 15:25:04 be sure to use the whole path Jan 23 15:26:40 My suggestion for the text: "Die mittlere Taste blinkt bei neuen Hinweisen" Jan 23 15:26:42 ok, works Jan 23 15:27:23 benachrichtigungen instead of hinweisen? Jan 23 15:27:26 www.pastbin.org Jan 23 15:27:44 the are no other buttons...and its no exactly a taste... Jan 23 15:28:08 http://www.pastebin.org/81006 Jan 23 15:28:18 yes benachrichtungen...because they use it all the time at least let us be consistent.. Jan 23 15:28:59 now I try the patch on my Pre Jan 23 15:28:59 the change i have Jan 23 15:29:25 okay, but at least I think it would be better (shorter) to use "... bei" instead of "... wenn" Jan 23 15:29:28 how did you diff it? Jan 23 15:29:37 agree Jan 23 15:29:38 AquaCulinaris: true Jan 23 15:30:00 Die mittlere Taste blinkt bei neuen Benachrichtigungen .. that way it's consistent with the user guide Jan 23 15:30:04 einalex: as you told me, using cygwin Jan 23 15:30:20 cygwin hm interesting Jan 23 15:30:44 patch applied Jan 23 15:30:47 no error Jan 23 15:30:50 restart Jan 23 15:31:10 nice! could you send me the file? Jan 23 15:31:23 einalex at mayanna dot org Jan 23 15:34:24 I need the assistant.js Jan 23 15:34:25 thanks Jan 23 15:34:30 :) Jan 23 15:35:04 i have that change already Jan 23 15:35:22 can you send it back to me? Jan 23 15:35:28 as in the patch file Jan 23 15:35:32 sure Jan 23 15:39:35 i'll send the patch in Jan 23 15:39:39 thx Jan 23 15:39:53 let's hope it gets to the feed soon Jan 23 15:40:50 will you add it? Jan 23 15:40:56 your patch didn't work here Jan 23 15:41:06 are you patching the .bak file? Jan 23 15:41:17 no Jan 23 15:41:21 oh Jan 23 15:41:38 just rename the file in the patch Jan 23 15:42:12 yes Jan 23 15:42:25 i cant but i'll send it to the patch portal Jan 23 15:43:23 really looking forward to seeing this on preware Jan 23 15:43:33 yeah me two :) Jan 23 15:43:38 too Jan 23 15:44:34 Does anybody know how I can get my app&service on the preware testing feed? Through WOSQI it installs just fine, but I really like to test it with preware before submitting it and making it available to the public... Jan 23 15:46:23 is it open source? Jan 23 15:46:28 yes it is Jan 23 15:46:45 you might want to talk to rwhitby Jan 23 15:46:49 I had to convert the assistant's patch file from DOS to Unix to make it work Jan 23 15:47:31 kyusaku: rwhitby is n/a for the next 8 days he said Jan 23 15:47:37 AquaCulinaris: there is a thread about it Jan 23 15:47:51 how to submit to precentral feed Jan 23 15:48:34 uwi 13 Jan 23 15:48:56 einalex: the problem with the blinking LED is, you would need 2 patch files Jan 23 15:49:03 one for the HTML and one for the JS Jan 23 15:49:18 yes Jan 23 15:49:33 one for the unix one for the dos file Jan 23 15:49:36 hm Jan 23 15:49:50 let me see who else moderates the git repo Jan 23 15:49:54 lets see if thats possible Jan 23 15:52:49 AquaCulinaris: did you see this? http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Preware_Repository_Description Jan 23 15:53:48 Kyusaku: Yes, I did, spent the last day with destinal setting up the git and packaging the service Jan 23 15:54:13 oh you already have a git set up Jan 23 15:54:25 and you just need to push it to the feed then/ Jan 23 15:54:51 yes but I dont want to put it on the main feed w/o testing the install-process with preware somehow ;) Jan 23 15:55:10 Or is it safe to work with preware if it works with wosqi Jan 23 15:55:29 there is a testing feed Jan 23 15:55:53 okay, but how can I push my app into the testing feed? Jan 23 15:57:35 I haven't done this, might have to wait for a developer to wake up Jan 23 15:58:03 then I'll wait for that :) Jan 23 15:58:37 if I see one I'll alert them to your question Jan 23 15:59:08 what's your app, aquaculinaris? something with water or cooking? ;) Jan 23 15:59:52 ahm not really ;) Jan 23 16:00:04 it is http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=services/minstatservice.git Jan 23 16:00:22 and frontend: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/minstat.git;a=summary Jan 23 16:01:03 minstat .. hmm Jan 23 16:01:11 what does it do? Jan 23 16:01:44 description: http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/226237-minstat.html Jan 23 16:01:56 It's like netstat, just for minutes and sms Jan 23 16:02:03 cool Jan 23 16:02:05 "I feel a disturbance in the Force... As if notificationAssistant isn't there" Jan 23 16:03:08 very cool, aquaculinaris Jan 23 16:03:15 thanks =) Jan 23 16:03:29 very useful for GSM community Jan 23 16:04:46 oh, you count the messages and durations Jan 23 16:05:34 in the service Jan 23 16:05:37 yes, so the backend doesnt have to log all the time Jan 23 16:07:47 i'm trying out some canvas stuff at the moment Jan 23 16:08:26 what are you planning? Jan 23 16:09:01 drawing an eye Jan 23 16:09:22 an eye... Jan 23 16:09:24 http://www.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/moo Jan 23 16:09:31 ur phone is watching you Jan 23 16:09:39 drawing an eye on top of pictures Jan 23 16:09:55 use another image Jan 23 16:10:01 with transparancy? Jan 23 16:10:07 maybe Jan 23 16:10:24 i'll have to move parts of the eye Jan 23 16:10:32 and make different sizes Jan 23 16:10:39 thought canvas would be the best Jan 23 16:11:00 yes, you can draw images on a canvas Jan 23 16:13:18 here is the new layout: http://www.inorbit.ch/upload/snap02.png Jan 23 16:13:22 what do you all think? Jan 23 16:13:51 very pretty Jan 23 16:14:42 and where does the eye go? Jan 23 16:15:27 if you choose an animal, it displays it fullscreen Jan 23 16:15:39 the eyes go where the eyes are Jan 23 16:16:13 and what do they do? Following your finger? Jan 23 16:17:59 like x-eyes Jan 23 16:18:34 hehe cool =) In a further version you could make the eyes following the pre's orientation *g* Jan 23 16:19:54 yeah Jan 23 16:19:59 if i can figure that out Jan 23 16:20:28 is there any documentation about palm's services? Jan 23 16:20:39 which ones? Jan 23 16:20:39 likethe applicationmanager? Jan 23 16:20:53 palm://com.palm.applicationManager Jan 23 16:22:16 http://www.weboshelp.net/webos-mojo-development-resources/mojo-services-api/475-palmcompalmapplicationmanager-open-file Jan 23 16:23:28 but this is the documented stuff, but it seems it isn't what I was looking for, never mind Jan 23 16:23:55 well you asked for documentation Jan 23 16:24:14 are you looking for undocumented material? Jan 23 16:24:31 we are on #webos-internals :) Jan 23 16:24:33 yes Jan 23 16:24:40 try dbus introspection? Jan 23 16:24:50 we want all the undocumented stuff Jan 23 16:24:52 dbus, is what about? Jan 23 16:25:33 ok, I found the page Jan 23 16:27:28 interesting, need to check it tomorrow Jan 23 16:29:41 Does somebody want to be tester for the MinStat-ipks? Jan 23 16:30:25 well, I use it not as phone atm Jan 23 16:30:33 sure Jan 23 16:30:36 btw, novaterm doesn't work with vi? Jan 23 16:30:37 if it doesn't crash my phone :) Jan 23 16:30:39 is it carrier independent? Jan 23 16:30:50 yes it is Jan 23 16:31:03 it uses the database on the device Jan 23 16:31:23 I don't think it crashes anything, because here it installs just fine, just want to make sure Jan 23 16:32:15 how to edit a file on the device? best way? Jan 23 16:32:32 MetaView, novaterm and vi work perfectly together here Jan 23 16:34:47 can't test it right now Jan 23 16:35:00 hm, it wasn't doing anyhting on key input Jan 23 16:35:02 but in a couple hours I can Jan 23 16:35:05 I had to close novaterm Jan 23 16:35:30 MetaView: you on windows? Jan 23 16:36:03 how can vi not work Jan 23 16:42:27 * xcomp takes some Saturday Morning therapy Jan 23 16:42:29 rm -rf * Jan 23 16:42:35 :D Jan 23 16:42:48 xcomp: i like to wipe my data with music Jan 23 16:43:08 dd if=/dev/dsp of=/dev/sda Jan 23 16:43:29 PuffTheMagic_: AquaCulinaris doesn't know how to push his app and service to the testing feed Jan 23 16:43:52 can you help AquaCulinaris with that Jan 23 16:44:07 he's on git already Jan 23 16:44:13 would be great =) Jan 23 16:44:45 nope idk how to get on the testing feed either Jan 23 16:45:09 well I guess the main feed would be ok Jan 23 16:45:26 he just wants it on a preware accessible feed Jan 23 16:45:42 I don't really know if it will work already...destinal helped me alot and looked everything over, but he wasn't online today yet Jan 23 16:49:32 can anyone tell me if they are able to build a patched libsndfile from palm.com in sb2? Jan 23 16:49:43 xcomp: whats new Jan 23 16:49:50 destinal-wirc: ping Jan 23 16:49:53 I'm getting stuck in some kind of infinite loop during aclocal Jan 23 16:50:31 i get ipkg: invalid magic Jan 23 16:50:38 on installing an ipk Jan 23 16:50:41 what could that mean? Jan 23 16:50:56 tmzt_ yes Jan 23 16:51:00 I'm on windows Jan 23 16:51:18 ah, then I don't really know Jan 23 16:51:28 ok Jan 23 16:55:12 PuffTheMagic_: sup homechicken Jan 23 16:55:35 any idea what "invalid magic" is on ipk installation? (error 22) Jan 23 16:55:39 destinal-wirc: back when we were talking about distributed filesystems did you ever try AFS? Jan 23 16:56:01 swisstomcat: magic usually refers to a signature in a file Jan 23 16:56:08 that identifies it as a particular file Jan 23 16:56:12 hmm Jan 23 16:56:19 and if its invalid magic the file is probably wrong format or corrupt Jan 23 16:57:15 arigato, puffthemagic Jan 23 16:57:37 could this occur on installing an ipk with wosqi and having a webosdoctor that doesn't fit the device-version? Or doesn't wosqi need the doctor to just install an ipk? Jan 23 16:57:54 i thought it only need the doctor for novacom Jan 23 16:59:43 bad libsndfile author Jan 23 16:59:44 bad bad Jan 23 16:59:52 and bad autotools Jan 23 16:59:54 captive portals at starbucks or hotel often cause invalid magic Jan 23 17:00:10 make sure your ipk is actually an ipk Jan 23 17:00:20 author forgets to include m4 directory in tarball, autotools craps itself into an infinite loop trying to generate a non-existent macro Jan 23 17:00:21 shit our text doesn't fit in one line Jan 23 17:00:36 PuffTheMagic_: never tried afs yet, no Jan 23 17:00:37 destinal-wirc: thanks, i'll check Jan 23 17:01:00 einalex: is it a problem? Haven't seen it Jan 23 17:01:01 xcomp: thats why i just about always run autoreconf, aclocal, autoconf, automake, libtoolize Jan 23 17:01:12 no not really Jan 23 17:01:15 just ugly Jan 23 17:01:19 hm Jan 23 17:01:26 put some html around? Jan 23 17:01:31
Jan 23 17:01:33 or stuff Jan 23 17:01:43 the text is too long Jan 23 17:01:51 PuffTheMagic_: that wasn't the problem Jan 23 17:02:00 the infinite loop was happening on autoreconf Jan 23 17:02:03 not here Jan 23 17:02:20 LED Benachrichtigung is 2 lines, but Anwendung wechseln too Jan 23 17:02:29 autoconf needs aclocal to regenerate all the macros Jan 23 17:02:38 but when the macro itself isn't there Jan 23 17:02:44 yes but it looks wrong Jan 23 17:03:00 * MetaView tries to have get its pre to speak the email sender Jan 23 17:03:05 m4 tries to be cute and gets itself into an infinite loop trying to make someting out of nothing Jan 23 17:03:06 destinal-wirc: they ipk looks ok, i can open it and see the contents Jan 23 17:03:27 metaview: cool Jan 23 17:03:50 I'm waiting for the email to arrive :) Jan 23 17:04:05 maybe it already crashed silently :) Jan 23 17:04:13 it probably did Jan 23 17:04:17 does it also read the email content? Jan 23 17:04:17 ok, next try Jan 23 17:04:18 swisstomcat: : is it definitely an ar format archive Jan 23 17:04:33 swisstomcat: nope, just the sender in the dashboard notify Jan 23 17:04:42 with a data.tar.gz and control.tar.gz both intact? Jan 23 17:05:05 yeah, i can open both .gz Jan 23 17:05:31 strange Jan 23 17:06:23 destinal-wirc: rpi uses AFS so i am setting it up on my lappy so that i can have a mountpoint for my homedir Jan 23 17:06:23 destinal-wirc: i figure it would be good to try on the pre too Jan 23 17:43:13 PuffTheMagic_: what's rpi? Jan 23 17:43:23 the school im going to Jan 23 17:44:02 ah Jan 23 18:10:39 MetaView: i copied both patches into one file and it still works :) Jan 23 18:10:41 dtzWill: yo!!!!!!!! Jan 23 18:11:33 MetaView: i will send the combined patch to you for testing Jan 23 18:16:26 PuffTheMagic_: he's hiding from me :) Jan 23 18:16:43 who is? Jan 23 18:16:46 dtzWill ? Jan 23 18:17:25 heh, so I was wondering why vorbisenc.c takes so long to compile Jan 23 18:17:28 -O20 Jan 23 18:17:42 really? Jan 23 18:17:53 PuffTheMagic_: did you see the verizon wifi app leaked Jan 23 18:17:53 PuffTheMagic_: yeah I think heh Jan 23 18:18:17 sampson: yeah i saw Jan 23 18:18:26 not entierly interested in it atm Jan 23 18:18:32 zsoc: yeah he hiding from me too Jan 23 18:18:37 what're you playin with now? Jan 23 18:18:53 and what's going on here is there some drama crap or something i had to register my nick Jan 23 18:19:16 sampson: i have to get back into "school mode" but i've been working on Terminus a sdl/evas/ecore based terminal Jan 23 18:19:21 and i need to work on wIRC again Jan 23 18:19:29 ic Jan 23 18:19:33 spam bots have been somewhat problematic lately Jan 23 18:19:36 how do you join keyed chans with wirc Jan 23 18:19:46 doin /join #blah key doesn't work Jan 23 18:19:54 everyone should be registered anyway Jan 23 18:19:57 its no big deal Jan 23 18:20:05 it should have happened a long time ago Jan 23 18:21:29 sonds dictatorial Jan 23 18:21:56 einalex: still there? Jan 23 18:22:09 i kinda want to get an ebook reader but i'm afraid my o'rielly pdfs will look like poo on them Jan 23 18:31:59 hape_: yes Jan 23 18:32:12 hape_: the patch is now working Jan 23 18:38:26 einalex: I allready submitte a updated patch for this to dBsooner some days ago. That I tould you in the chat erliers Jan 23 18:38:29 sorry Jan 23 18:39:10 i think you were talking about another patch Jan 23 18:40:30 See the provate chat I started. tehr we can speak german Jan 23 18:40:33 ? Jan 23 18:43:59 sampson: download ecalibure. import the ebook you want. convert to the device youre thinking about. load up the ebook viewer Jan 23 18:44:07 it will show you exactly how it will look on the device Jan 23 18:44:09 * keith has a nook Jan 23 18:44:18 er ecalibre Jan 23 18:48:25 Can someone point me to a simple sample of how to build a library in the webos-internals PDK and use it from a WebOS app, even just a "hello world"? I followed the instructions on installing the pdk but can't find any documentation on what exactly to do next. Jan 23 19:11:55 damn power just went out Jan 23 19:14:53 Does anybody want to volunteer on testing the installation of my new app called Minstat? It's like netstat, but for minutes and sms - description & screens can be found here: http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/226237-minstat.html Jan 23 19:14:53 The only thing I couldn't test properly was the installation process, as I only have one device =) You would have to install it with wosqi, preferably on webos 1.3.5 and above. Jan 23 19:16:35 aquaculinaris: i've figured out how draw the eyes Jan 23 19:17:00 hey Jan 23 19:17:26 swisstomcat, so make a biiiig xeyes for the pre - how bout luna-eyes? ;) Jan 23 19:18:10 yeah Jan 23 19:26:20 aquaculinaris: moving the pre moves the eyes :) Jan 23 19:26:41 really?! Jan 23 19:27:02 yeah Jan 23 19:27:06 oh my god, thats awesome :) :) Jan 23 19:27:08 they even blink from time to time Jan 23 19:27:27 my friends from university will lol =) Jan 23 19:27:55 you can send me a beta any time =) Jan 23 19:28:17 ooo Jan 23 19:28:18 still working on it Jan 23 19:29:08 does anyone use their pre and iphoto? Jan 23 19:29:18 just wondering if the geotagging is fast and compatible Jan 23 19:38:18 PuffTheMagic_: hey :) Jan 23 19:49:17 http://bit.ly/78EBa1 Jan 23 19:49:20 Lookie Jan 23 19:54:18 morning Jan 23 19:56:52 Abyssul: *applaud* Jan 23 19:59:50 dBsooner: Are the patches still on the way? Jan 23 19:59:54 PuffTheMagic_: you go to rpi? up in troy? (not being creepy just you mentioned that briefly above) Jan 23 19:59:57 hape_ Jan 23 20:00:06 hape_: all patches are in a holding pattern atm Jan 23 20:00:26 hape_: we are about to make a transition to AUPT.. so nothing can be added to the autopatch builder Jan 23 20:00:39 hape_: if all goes well, maybe this evening or tomorrow. Jan 23 20:00:48 ok Jan 23 20:01:04 hape_: it all relies on egaudet, so bug him about it. xD Jan 23 20:01:30 *da dump, da dump*.. that's the sound of egaudet getting run over by the bus I threw him under. Jan 23 20:01:31 :) Jan 23 20:01:41 only ask as second german developer einalex joind in updateting. And it happend that he workes on the same as I did as we do not was aware of each other Jan 23 20:03:33 I had 1.3.1, and installed 131 patches, and updated to 1.3.5.1 and am updating all, which will take an hour Jan 23 20:03:55 then I will epr 2.0 and if md5sums all pass then in the words of Borat... "great success" Jan 23 20:12:27 dBsooner: What dose AUPT is? I asked google but did not get a result that makes sence for me. Jan 23 20:12:42 egaudet: If you may... ^^ Jan 23 20:13:36 rofl Jan 23 20:13:53 Auto Update Patch Technology Jan 23 20:14:01 some newfangled technology :) Jan 23 20:14:19 which will brick your pre ;) Jan 23 20:15:11 lol Jan 23 20:16:02 swisstomcat: don't spread rumors. Jan 23 20:16:08 hehe Jan 23 20:16:25 it's very fancy word for "cool shell script to limit the chance of you having to go to the doctor" Jan 23 20:16:53 hape_: We are currently using our invented technology of "Auto Patch Technology". We have created a new version of this called "Auto Update Patch Technology". Jan 23 20:17:16 patches are high cholesterol food and AUPT is lipitor ? Jan 23 20:17:21 hape_: To make it short, it will allow you to upgrade WebOS-Versions and not have to uninstall patches. Jan 23 20:17:37 but thats not the REAL reason for it. Jan 23 20:17:54 The real reason is to make it MUCH less likely to have to doctor your pre because of patches. Jan 23 20:18:16 and to put the "brick" your pre thing to rest.. I have YEt to hear of a true "bricked" pre. Jan 23 20:18:36 constantly reboots, sure. Jan 23 20:18:49 but "bricked" meaning it won't do a damn thing and won't enter bootie.. Jan 23 20:18:59 haven't heard of it. Jan 23 20:19:02 oh, you can brick a pre alright Jan 23 20:19:03 The only truly bricked pre is one that has a burnt CPU :p Jan 23 20:19:06 just toss it in the fireplace Jan 23 20:19:07 Unless drop it in water. Jan 23 20:19:13 dBsooner: I thought mine was after a doctor... But eventually I got it to boot. Jan 23 20:19:20 Refer to Zsoc on that one :p Jan 23 20:19:28 hmagoo: ? Jan 23 20:19:37 dBsooner: I did have to doctor again after getting it to boot though... Jan 23 20:19:43 hmagoo: whoops, mis-tab Jan 23 20:19:47 Abyssul: hm? Jan 23 20:19:48 Tibfib: but the moral, it wasn't bricked. Jan 23 20:20:03 dBsooner: yep. I don't think it is possible Jan 23 20:20:12 Lol, back when we were working with pipelines on Precorder you had done some serious hardware damage Jan 23 20:20:32 xine-lib is compiling. Jan 23 20:20:35 *evil laugh* Jan 23 20:20:41 Abyssul: oh lol... yeah... _that_ =$"?1 Jan 23 20:20:46 phone Jan 23 20:20:53 I'm going to stop trying to type. Jan 23 20:20:53 dBsooner: That sounds cool. Not un and reinstall pacthen for an updated Jan 23 20:21:14 hape_: That's an "unofficial" side part of AUPT. Jan 23 20:21:22 a media player that plays *any* type of file Jan 23 20:21:29 yes, it shall happen Jan 23 20:21:31 how it wil be done? An auto de-/reinstall when an FW update start is detected? Jan 23 20:21:59 hape_: No.. you OTA your update.. then go to Preware and update feeds then "Update All" Jan 23 20:22:24 Technically, the patches are just reinstalled Jan 23 20:22:43 Abyssul: TECHNICALLY they are just installed. Jan 23 20:22:55 as they are overwritten by the update.. so aupt installs them again. Jan 23 20:22:56 :) Jan 23 20:22:59 Are the old ones uninstalled or just overwritten? Jan 23 20:23:04 Yea Jan 23 20:23:05 overwritten Jan 23 20:23:12 Ok.... installed :p Jan 23 20:23:20 which is the preferred method of getting patches into the feed? through git or the submission form on your site dBsooner? Jan 23 20:23:23 that's an either/or. Jan 23 20:23:32 submission from now on Jan 23 20:23:34 Give him more work xenoph0be Jan 23 20:23:38 :D Jan 23 20:23:40 lol Jan 23 20:23:46 I can't add them untill AUPT is released. :) Jan 23 20:23:48 egaudet's rules. Jan 23 20:23:55 I figured when I saw that Jan 23 20:24:07 comment earlier Jan 23 20:24:11 but from the sounds of things.. it should be today or tomorrow Jan 23 20:24:14 ETA of AUPT Jan 23 20:24:14 ? Jan 23 20:24:18 schweetness Jan 23 20:24:29 nice, in time for 1.4 Jan 23 20:24:34 unless his EPR2.0 borks. Jan 23 20:24:52 then he'll have more work to do and I'll go ahead and add stuff. Jan 23 20:25:38 Liked my post dBsooner? :p Jan 23 20:25:46 Yup. Jan 23 20:25:59 I couldn't have said it better myself. Jan 23 20:26:08 you were tastefully crappy. Jan 23 20:26:10 I wanted to be like "WTF" Jan 23 20:26:16 but I was civil Jan 23 20:26:17 s/crappy/sh*tty/ Jan 23 20:26:19 dBsooner meant: you were tastefully sh*tty. Jan 23 20:26:25 haha Jan 23 20:26:37 damn, for a second I thought I had voice Jan 23 20:28:53 but wasent ist a problem for the FW update if some files are patched as the FW updates are only patches too. Or did I got something wrong? Jan 23 20:29:19 I sumitted a patch and got the notification that it was received but the email subject was "[Patch-Submitted] P" wonder if i farked up my submission? whoops Jan 23 20:29:27 Is it bad if I installed tetherd service with ipkg install? lol Jan 23 20:29:40 xenoph0be: No, you have to wait for a acceptance email Jan 23 20:29:57 I know that, but the email didnt have the title of the patch in it correctly Jan 23 20:29:58 i think Jan 23 20:29:58 xenoph0be: That just confirms that you've submitted it. Kind of like a college application :p Jan 23 20:30:06 Haha Jan 23 20:30:10 You might have screwed up Jan 23 20:30:19 yea thats what i thought. more work for dBsooner heh Jan 23 20:30:28 im only 1.5hrs from him Jan 23 20:30:30 He will just ban your IP :p Jan 23 20:30:35 nice Jan 23 20:30:51 one strike and your out eh? bummer Jan 23 20:30:54 xenoph0be: yeah you borked it Jan 23 20:31:03 dBsooner want me to resubmit? Jan 23 20:31:05 xenoph0be: what was the title? Jan 23 20:31:23 Persistent Brightness Unlinked Jan 23 20:31:47 Haha Jan 23 20:31:56 i was half asleep when i submitted it... i think i forgot to include the url for the forum post Jan 23 20:32:00 in the site Jan 23 20:32:17 fail Jan 23 20:32:26 xenoph0be: I deleted it Jan 23 20:32:30 xenoph0be: submit again Jan 23 20:32:33 groovy will do Jan 23 20:32:41 Abyssul: thats my middle name by the way Jan 23 20:32:51 heh Jan 23 20:33:21 I thought you were serious til I thought about it Jan 23 20:33:44 One day.... Ima just spam dBsooners inbox... :) Jan 23 20:34:41 in school they said to pick the one thing you were good at and be very good at it... Jan 23 20:37:30 Are you serious!~ Jan 23 20:37:38 iTouch Keypad for 6 bucks? Jan 23 20:43:10 Abyssul: where? Jan 23 21:04:03 dtzWill: hey Jan 23 21:04:07 sorry power went out Jan 23 21:04:13 dtzWill: yeah i go to RPI in troy Jan 23 21:04:15 just started there Jan 23 21:05:43 how long has this update-all been going on for! Jan 23 21:05:44 good grief Jan 23 21:08:36 well ... I had gotten so far without having to stage glib Jan 23 21:08:44 alas...no more Jan 23 21:12:31 * xcomp suddenly realizes we could skip the download portion of staging entirely by using lynx -dump | tar Jan 23 21:14:20 wget and curl can do that too cant they? Jan 23 21:14:45 i think so Jan 23 21:15:11 in fact i believe curl will output to stdout by default Jan 23 21:19:39 anyone know if there is a way to toggle between evdo and 1x? Jan 23 21:20:30 ##3836# Jan 23 21:21:00 ah, cool, thanks Jan 23 21:21:50 heh, cool Jan 23 21:22:13 are all these ## codes documented anywhere? Jan 23 21:22:34 i'm sure there's a comprehensive list somewhere on the web Jan 23 21:28:19 * jacques googles for ## Jan 23 21:33:36 they are per "radio" meaning the phone ui Jan 23 21:58:47 hey guys Jan 23 21:59:00 for the new app partition how should you install apps now Jan 23 21:59:23 ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/ install name Jan 23 21:59:24 ? Jan 23 22:00:55 anyway here today Jan 23 22:03:02 hi all, quick question Jan 23 22:03:28 anyway to copy files from the device to your computer through command? Jan 23 22:03:43 touchscreen died so i cant use USB drive Jan 23 22:04:16 ive rooted to the device and am using putty to terminal in Jan 23 22:04:17 you can use wosqi and then copy files from device if you do know the right path Jan 23 22:04:41 sshfs Jan 23 22:04:54 (sorry, being mean) Jan 23 22:07:06 sorry im basic with linux, say i want to copy something from /media/internal to my c drive, what command can i use? Jan 23 22:07:25 man scp Jan 23 22:08:27 um, /media/internal shows up normally .. Jan 23 22:08:33 wen in mass storage mode Jan 23 22:08:40 so just copying over should be sufficient Jan 23 22:09:22 morning Jan 23 22:10:07 morning Jan 23 22:10:07 rwhitby, morning, I think AUPT might release today Jan 23 22:10:24 cool Jan 23 22:10:32 hey rwhitby Jan 23 22:10:36 thought you were away? Jan 23 22:10:49 I fly in about 7 hours Jan 23 22:10:56 where to? Jan 23 22:11:02 Tokyo Jan 23 22:11:15 cool Jan 23 22:11:20 arigato Jan 23 22:11:28 domo Jan 23 22:11:56 egaudet: your testing went well? Jan 23 22:12:00 ohayou Jan 23 22:12:06 kawatta koto aru? Jan 23 22:12:26 heh - you've just exceeded my vocabulary :-) Jan 23 22:12:48 google is your friend Jan 23 22:13:05 bpadalino: since my touchscreen died, i cant select usb drive mode Jan 23 22:13:06 rwhitby, well I'm running EPR 2.0 right now, with a lot of optimism Jan 23 22:13:19 oh sorry - i missed that part Jan 23 22:13:21 :( Jan 23 22:13:39 rwhitby: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txiR1Nzrzng Jan 23 22:14:21 yeah sucks lol, any ideas? scp doesnt seem to work with the pre unless im doing it wrong Jan 23 22:15:23 arghh, firefox uses 1.4gigs of memory Jan 23 22:16:18 wired68_: have you tried wosqi? Jan 23 22:16:51 rwhitby, we need to remove that pdf extractor package from all feeds Jan 23 22:17:23 AquaCulinaris: /bin/sh: wosqi: not found Jan 23 22:17:23 egaudet: has it been removed from depends everywhere? Jan 23 22:17:51 wired68_, sorry, i meant webos quick install - you can copy files with webos quick install, too Jan 23 22:18:09 I believe so, but even if not the prerm script is removing the pdf viewer and people have no way to get it back Jan 23 22:18:25 I rather a failed install based on bad depends then acccidental install of extractor where removal screws you over Jan 23 22:19:00 I'm debating on writing a "save my pdf" app to tar it up and then remove the evil extractor package and then untar it back Jan 23 22:19:21 s/app/package Jan 23 22:19:23 s/app/package/ Jan 23 22:19:24 egaudet meant: s/package/package Jan 23 22:19:29 infobot you are a clown Jan 23 22:19:30 I think you lost me on that one, egaudet Jan 23 22:19:38 case in point! Jan 23 22:19:42 * swisstomcat slaps infobot with a wet trout Jan 23 22:29:18 rwhitby: I repleid to your email yesterday Jan 23 22:29:31 rwhitby: I removed it from depends days ago. Jan 23 22:29:41 rwhitby: i removed ALL instances of it in DEPENDS = Jan 23 22:34:51 ok, so you're saying it should no longer be in any Packages files then Jan 23 22:35:18 yea in needs to leave even if we missed any depends Jan 23 22:35:32 the prerm script it installs is a game breaker Jan 23 22:35:32 what's the package id ? Jan 23 22:35:45 it might be in older versions of Packages Jan 23 22:35:53 but the most current version of 1.3.5 it should be gone Jan 23 22:36:03 org.webosinternals.pdf-viewer-extract-app Jan 23 22:36:12 dBsooner: it needs to be gone from previous versions too Jan 23 22:36:21 otherwise the autobuilder will just put it back up Jan 23 22:36:24 previous versions require it Jan 23 22:36:43 but we want that to fail cause the prerm is toxic Jan 23 22:36:49 1.3.5 is when they started releasing the pdf app as extracted Jan 23 22:36:53 as long as the whole world is up to 1.3.5.x I don't carea bout old versions Jan 23 22:36:56 so you need to remove the depends from previous versions too Jan 23 22:36:56 break them Jan 23 22:37:07 the consequence of the prerm in 1.3.5.x is too dire Jan 23 22:37:27 no leave the depends in previous versions Jan 23 22:37:28 is it in patches feed or webos-internals feed? Jan 23 22:37:42 webos-internals I believe Jan 23 22:37:51 the previous versions have NO pdf viewer app to patch, so I guess it will fail anyway and doesn't need depends Jan 23 22:38:08 so yea remove it leave it doesn't matter to me, the pdf patches will fail in older versions of webos and I'm fine with that Jan 23 22:38:15 webos-internals feed yea Jan 23 22:38:51 [dbsooner@deluge autopatch]$ grep "org.webosinternals.pdf-viewer" */Makefile Jan 23 22:38:52 [dbsooner@deluge autopatch]$ Jan 23 22:39:10 halp halp Jan 23 22:39:17 Adora: whatcha need dear? Jan 23 22:39:27 You drowning? Jan 23 22:39:39 Need mouth to mouth? Teehehheee.. j/k Jan 23 22:39:57 hehe Jan 23 22:39:59 how can I programatically get system properties other than the device id? Jan 23 22:40:15 what properties? Jan 23 22:40:20 I want the phone number, carrier, webOS version, and palm profile email address Jan 23 22:40:32 Adora is trying to hack I see. Jan 23 22:40:35 yeah Jan 23 22:40:47 i don't want anyone to either get my phone number or email adress Jan 23 22:41:04 I have so many phones that I can't keep track, want to save this info as wallpaper Jan 23 22:41:06 you probably get the version Jan 23 22:41:43 Adora: Just give me a couple and we're good. Jan 23 22:42:23 give them names ... like PREcious Jan 23 22:42:25 dBsooner: got a plan? Jan 23 22:42:49 Adora: I got several plans. :D Jan 23 22:43:11 webos ver is easy to get Jan 23 22:43:23 palm profile email address is probably in the palm databse Jan 23 22:43:31 phone number is going to be on the chip. Jan 23 22:43:45 rwhitby would be the man for that. :D Jan 23 22:45:12 Adora: there's a show properties app in Preware Jan 23 22:46:03 viewer extract moved to obsolete in build.git Jan 23 22:46:30 Adora: /etc/palm-build-info will give you the version # Jan 23 22:46:44 rwhitby: she wants to extract the info and save it I presume. Jan 23 22:46:53 I kinda wish the launcher dynamically re-arranged icons based on usage Jan 23 22:47:12 i dont like the pages concept Jan 23 22:47:21 it should be one continuous icon area Jan 23 22:47:24 I don't know if I do either really Jan 23 22:47:26 tip,+1 for that Jan 23 22:48:21 dBsooner: ph number can probably be found easier .. see where the dev info app gets it from for example Jan 23 22:48:43 she shoudl just use the dev info app Jan 23 22:48:46 and screenshot it. :D Jan 23 22:51:48 yeah, do an internal screenshot and ocr it :) Jan 23 22:52:00 tlp: good app idea Jan 23 22:52:02 or patch Jan 23 22:54:15 I don't know if webOS keeps track of that data, but if it does, it'd probably be trivial to implement. Jan 23 22:54:22 just sort the icons by date Jan 23 22:54:26 er, usage date Jan 23 22:54:47 egaudet: please check feeds for pdf viewer now Jan 23 22:56:14 man its too bad the pre wasn't fast enough to handle extracting the doctor Jan 23 22:56:21 i thought that they collect data about usage Jan 23 22:58:18 do you think we could make a shell script to fix the missing pdf viewers? Jan 23 22:58:25 just tell the user "this will take a bit to complete"? Jan 23 23:01:23 i mean, we could download the doctor to the device (based off webos_ver/carrier) and then extract the pdf viewer from it. Jan 23 23:02:34 200megs Jan 23 23:02:36 ouch Jan 23 23:02:44 it's like the only option though Jan 23 23:02:49 make sure they are on wifi. :D Jan 23 23:03:45 yep Jan 23 23:04:41 xine alsa output is skipping badly Jan 23 23:04:48 that AND/OR make a NEW package with a new package id that when installed will DELETE the prerm of the old Pdf Extractor App Jan 23 23:04:52 and pulseaudio isn't working :( Jan 23 23:05:42 131 patches in 1.3.1, update all after OTA to 1.3.5.1, EPR 2.0, md5sums all pass Jan 23 23:05:52 AUPT GOES LIVE! Jan 23 23:05:59 * egaudet goes back to image additions Jan 23 23:06:01 7 hours bfore Rod leaves us. Jan 23 23:06:03 ohhhhh, pulseaudio works Jan 23 23:06:04 smoothly Jan 23 23:06:49 applause! Jan 23 23:08:41 unfortunately it's not playing videos recorded with precorder ... Jan 23 23:08:48 :( Jan 23 23:09:13 have to find out why ... i suspect x264 isn't working Jan 23 23:09:20 nothing that can't be fixed Jan 23 23:11:08 rwhitby: link to that system properties app? Jan 23 23:11:09 I can't find it Jan 23 23:11:23 Adora: Show Properties, in Preware Jan 23 23:11:31 and don't have any devices that I can/should install preware on at the moment =P Jan 23 23:11:38 doh! Jan 23 23:12:07 I need the source anyway Jan 23 23:12:14 Adora: http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/all/com.palm.org.webosinternals.showprops_0.1.0_all.ipk Jan 23 23:12:25 Adora: sources is on git.webos-internals.org Jan 23 23:16:43 hmm....so far I've been able to play an mpeg video with emotion Jan 23 23:16:46 nothing else Jan 23 23:18:06 * xcomp tries XVid Jan 23 23:21:03 anyone know what the testing feed url is? Jan 23 23:21:10 i want to add it to preware Jan 23 23:21:49 rwhitby: you're my hero of the day =] Jan 23 23:22:06 hmm...it seems xine-lib is having trouble finding its codecs Jan 23 23:22:22 Adora: when have I not been ;-) Jan 23 23:23:01 ~testing-feed Jan 23 23:23:02 methinks testing-feed is a means of testing new WebOS Internals products, documented at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds Jan 23 23:23:04 keith: ^^ Jan 23 23:23:34 rwhitby: good point Jan 23 23:23:34 rwhitby: pm? Jan 23 23:23:56 nice thanks Jan 23 23:24:10 but now i dont see an option in preware (the latest) to add custom feeds? Jan 23 23:24:13 Adora: does that get you everything you need? Jan 23 23:26:59 dBsooner: still getting it to install Jan 23 23:27:02 (don't ask) Jan 23 23:27:09 I must. Jan 23 23:28:28 i am surrounded by ricers in this neighboorhood Jan 23 23:28:30 argh!!!!!!!!! Jan 23 23:28:38 all i hear is fart cans Jan 23 23:28:48 Rice burners are awesome Jan 23 23:28:59 Pissed off bumble bees. Jan 23 23:29:21 huh? Jan 23 23:30:21 swisstomcat: 4 cylinder cars with glass packs Jan 23 23:30:31 thats too specific Jan 23 23:30:33 to make them "sound" like a bigger car Jan 23 23:30:37 oh Jan 23 23:30:41 dBsooner: and actually its all subaru drivers Jan 23 23:30:47 LOL Jan 23 23:31:02 even worse. Jan 23 23:31:32 swisstomcat: at the expense of sounding really racist, ricers got its same from chineese people (rice eaters) who modify shitty ass cars with things like giant wings and mufflers that do nothing for performance Jan 23 23:31:39 Uhm. My Pre just randomly started giving me a Jan 23 23:31:40 er Jan 23 23:31:55 gentoo users are also know as ricers Jan 23 23:31:59 puffthemagic: well, even here we call japanese cars "rice bowls" Jan 23 23:32:01 for reasons totally unrelated to cars Jan 23 23:32:03 Uhm. My Pre just randomly started giving me a "You are no longer signed in to your Palm profile on this phone." error, and offers a restart or erase. Every time I restart, it pops up the same error. wtf?? Jan 23 23:32:27 tlp: Youch.. I got that one time. Jan 23 23:32:41 same with the giant wings and mufflers Jan 23 23:32:48 dBsooner: what did you have to do? Jan 23 23:32:49 tlp: I THINK i ended up having to docotr. Jan 23 23:32:49 seems to be an universal thing Jan 23 23:32:54 gah. Jan 23 23:33:04 tlp: I can't remember exactly what I did. Jan 23 23:33:29 dBsooner: ok, the system properties app gets us the carrier Jan 23 23:33:33 tlp: did you recently change your email address or create a new profile? Jan 23 23:33:33 two down Jan 23 23:33:38 no Jan 23 23:33:45 I can't think of anything that might have caused this Jan 23 23:33:48 tlp: well thats what i did to get that to happen. Jan 23 23:34:04 Adora: what's last? the phone number? Jan 23 23:34:24 phone number and palm profile email Jan 23 23:34:32 but I may have a workaround for the email Jan 23 23:34:42 phone number is in "Device info" Jan 23 23:35:08 dBsooner: but how to get that programatically? Jan 23 23:35:37 Adora: give me a min.. going to look at the code Jan 23 23:39:43 Adora: Hmm.. developer.palm.com says you can't get the Phone Number through normal Luna means. Jan 23 23:40:09 Adora: http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=792&start=0&sid=4d6dfb7acb440d5e3011d5c0e95959aa Jan 23 23:40:13 hmm, I dogt get any credit in the article for the mobile hotspot stuff? Jan 23 23:40:15 hmph Jan 23 23:45:48 nighty night everyone Jan 23 23:47:10 dBsooner: good thing we aren't normal develpers! Jan 23 23:47:16 ok, SO Jan 23 23:47:21 Adora: yep.. I am looking now Jan 23 23:47:31 well, I wanna make this app open source Jan 23 23:47:44 and if we do anything illegal, we can't do that Jan 23 23:47:56 it won't be illegal Jan 23 23:48:11 anything that could be used for nefarious purposes Jan 23 23:48:29 that's why the API's dont' allow you to get the number then. ;) Jan 23 23:48:44 if enda says the phone number isn't accessible for security reasons, I don't want to find a way around that Jan 23 23:48:51 unless it's working within what we do have access to Jan 23 23:49:08 Well that thread says it's not available. Jan 23 23:49:10 like, after setting up a device, set up a DevProfile account Jan 23 23:49:21 that has the phone number and profile email address Jan 23 23:49:25 which only has to be done once Jan 23 23:49:42 because it's stored in the profile, so it gets sucked back down after flashing Jan 23 23:49:47 (which we do a LOT) Jan 23 23:49:55 Yeah, I can imagine. Jan 23 23:50:06 Which is why you want a way to restore it all. Jan 23 23:50:45 I think we can solve the problem through the /etc/palm-build-info and contacts api Jan 23 23:51:25 well palm-build-info gives you the version # Jan 23 23:51:33 and carrier Jan 23 23:51:38 yeah, and carrier Jan 23 23:51:44 through BUILDNAME Jan 23 23:52:13 those are the hard parts that change a lot (the version, anyway) Jan 23 23:52:25 profile email and phone number are static Jan 23 23:52:30 set them once in a contact and forget it Jan 23 23:52:53 and that's all I'm looking for Jan 23 23:54:23 so are you trying to EXTRACT the phone number of the device? Jan 23 23:55:30 just need a way to get it easily Jan 23 23:56:12 look it up by hand in device info, then manually enter into a custom contact Jan 23 23:56:52 then the app can pull the number from the contact all day long Jan 23 23:58:18 that is to say, all my problems are solved now =] Jan 23 23:58:59 http://get.preware.org/ <- new stand-alone installers ready for testing Jan 23 23:59:01 So you got it? :D Jan 23 23:59:15 ls Jan 23 23:59:23 dBsooner: yeah, I got it Jan 23 23:59:36 Adora: Sweet. I was still diggin around for where to exract the MDN from Jan 23 23:59:54 rwhitby: Awesome. I'll give them a go later. Jan 24 00:03:54 o.O Jan 24 00:21:38 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/226231-mobile-hot-spot-sprint.html#post2169725 Jan 24 00:40:47 do you lose the /media partition when doctoring? Jan 24 00:41:30 guess so Jan 24 00:43:10 no Jan 24 00:43:22 only for doctors prior to 1.3.1 Jan 24 00:43:38 maybe their website is outdated Jan 24 00:43:44 http://www.palm.com/us/support/downloads/pre/recoverytool/webosdoctor_sprint.html Jan 24 00:43:59 "Running the tool deletes all files stored in the USB drive." Jan 24 00:48:05 I can confirm that it does not wipe your /media/internal (usb area) Jan 24 00:48:10 k Jan 24 00:48:17 that said, always good to backup :p Jan 24 00:48:21 it's all over their website too Jan 24 00:48:22 haha, yes Jan 24 00:48:29 I'm going to start rsyncing or something Jan 24 00:48:39 I'm lazy, I just use winscp Jan 24 00:48:40 it used to up until 1.3.1 Jan 24 00:48:52 and winscp has a sync folder function Jan 24 00:49:07 I was going to doctor at some point anyway. This just forced it on me. Jan 24 00:49:07 full erase is the only thing that wipes /media now AFAIK Jan 24 00:49:11 cool Jan 24 00:49:22 oh, dang, I just had a nice thought, I should see if it's possible to get dropbox running on the pre Jan 24 00:49:25 that'd be nice Jan 24 00:49:42 I could symlink the usb folder into it Jan 24 00:49:52 1.3.1 wiped my files Jan 24 00:49:55 I'll probably use my ssh key, but that's easy to regenerate. Jan 24 00:49:58 er, lose* Jan 24 00:50:09 yes you'll lose your ssh key Jan 24 00:50:15 and the ssh service Jan 24 00:50:18 yeah Jan 24 00:50:24 and any services including the preware's package manager service :p Jan 24 00:50:26 I don't care about programs, just personal data Jan 24 00:50:42 also you'll need your account passwords handy Jan 24 00:50:54 it will prompt you for them when it restarts Jan 24 00:51:26 Does the doctor work under Linux? Jan 24 00:51:31 I think it's Java, right? Jan 24 00:52:35 it is java Jan 24 00:52:48 it'll run on windows/osx/linux, although I've only done the first two personally :p Jan 24 00:52:56 cool. I won't bother with VirtualBox then. Jan 24 00:53:07 You just need the novacom driver in Linux and then the java stuff will work. Jan 24 00:54:30 the doctor should attempt to install the novacom driver for you, fyi Jan 24 00:55:48 I think I may have it. I installed it a long time ago when I first got the SDK Jan 24 00:56:05 who knows though, I haven't done development since August or something Jan 24 01:03:41 webOS Doctor isn't finding my phone via USB cable. Jan 24 01:04:06 that would typically be because of drivers then Jan 24 01:04:10 that is, novacom Jan 24 01:04:17 it's not prompting or anythign though either Jan 24 01:04:56 tlp: what desktop os are you running? Jan 24 01:05:11 Ubuntu. Let me see if there's a novacom daemon I need to start or something. Jan 24 01:05:50 tlp: ah... Well make sure novacom is running. I updated the SDK once and it killed my novacom service. had to spent 30 mins fixing it. Jan 24 01:05:57 on windows... Jan 24 01:08:13 There we go, novacomd running. No devices found though. Jan 24 01:09:55 tlp: are you sure your USB cord is working right? Jan 24 01:09:59 yep Jan 24 01:10:10 I'm not sure the phone is in a state that USB will work Jan 24 01:10:32 [2010/1/23 18:08:47] novacom_usb_rx_thread:326: error reading packet, shutting down, rc: -1 Jan 24 01:10:35 no idea what that means Jan 24 01:10:42 Have you tried turning off and then plugging in the usb cord while holding the up volume button? Jan 24 01:10:55 I haven't. I'll try that. sec Jan 24 01:11:19 Idk if it will work... it seemslike novacomd isn't working right on your machine Jan 24 01:11:42 Linux sees the device. It's popping up in dmesg Jan 24 01:12:11 tlp: hmmmmm... try the volume button trick Jan 24 01:13:44 woo Jan 24 01:13:48 that worked Tibfib; thanks for the tip. Jan 24 01:14:05 what does that do exactly? Jan 24 01:14:44 tlp: force USB mode Jan 24 01:14:57 well, the doctor tool sees it now, but it cannot reset it. Jan 24 01:14:59 someone recommended it to me when I borked my pre Jan 24 01:15:30 is it possible to access the USB partition this way? Jan 24 01:15:53 tlp: I think so... tyr it Jan 24 01:15:55 try it* Jan 24 01:16:30 it didn't pop up like normal, so I'm not sure what I'd try Jan 24 01:23:44 rwhitby: is the Pre going to be your main device of choice for your trip?" Jan 24 01:25:22 there we go, got it working. Jan 24 01:27:07 weird that novacomd or whatever doesn't have an init.d script. Jan 24 01:27:49 tlp: i made one Jan 24 01:27:52 its on the wiki Jan 24 01:27:53 1 sec Jan 24 01:28:04 ah, cool Jan 24 01:29:06 http://paste.pocoo.org/show/169110/ Jan 24 01:29:38 might have to tweak your paths idk Jan 24 01:34:04 I wish some of this stuff could be sent to Palm upstream. Like, a place to submit patches. Jan 24 01:37:00 novacomd does have a script Jan 24 01:37:18 does it? I didn't see it in there. Jan 24 01:37:38 /etc/init/palm-novacomd.conf Jan 24 01:37:57 the novacom package works as is, you just have to reload the configurations Jan 24 01:38:04 initctl reload-configuration Jan 24 01:38:17 as root Jan 24 01:41:20 I don't have that file in /etc/init Jan 24 01:41:52 did you install the latest package from palm? Jan 24 01:42:03 what distro Jan 24 01:42:09 it was ages ago, so the repo may have been commented out Jan 24 01:42:30 yeah, I don't even have a Palm repo in /etc/apt/sources.list -- probably just old Jan 24 01:42:33 Ubuntu Jan 24 01:42:34 well if it was ages ago, then it probably didn't install to /etc/init/ the old ones didn't used to Jan 24 01:43:09 there's no palm repo that I know of? Jan 24 01:43:15 ah] Jan 24 01:43:23 so it's just outdated then, because I haven't updated it manually :) Jan 24 01:43:34 Gotta get the .deb from their site yeah, I wish they had a repo :P Jan 24 01:43:52 Had to pull the battery after doctoring. Phone was off and wouldn't respond to the power button Jan 24 01:43:57 hopefully that didn't fubar anything Jan 24 01:44:20 well it probably didn't bar it Jan 24 01:44:36 lol Jan 24 01:45:41 I wonder if all of the wireless hotspots I had in here get backed up Jan 24 01:46:21 dBsooner: yes, my main phone during the trip to Japan will be the Pre Jan 24 01:46:40 rwhitby: Awesome! Tell me how it works out in the land of Tokyo. Jan 24 01:46:48 or whrever it is in Japan you're going. Jan 24 01:46:54 The land of electronics. Jan 24 01:47:32 rwhitby: did you ever get wIRC working with bip? Jan 24 01:48:33 tlp: works fine, but closing cards closes them on bip too, which is not usually what you want. Jan 24 01:48:39 ah Jan 24 01:53:01 rwhitby: looks like i am really gonna have to start working on freeTether again Jan 24 01:53:37 git er done Jan 24 01:53:49 we need like ten clones of you Puff :p Jan 24 01:53:51 too many projects Jan 24 01:54:19 ~seen AnOutsider Jan 24 01:54:21 anoutsider was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 7d 8h 18m 18s ago, saying: 'which some (raise hand) beleive is better than vi :)'. Jan 24 01:55:09 ~seen JayCanuck Jan 24 01:55:10 jaycanuck was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 16h 20m 31s ago, saying: 'some say to install com.palm.app.mobilehotspotupdatepre_1.0.3_all.ipk, others say just the com.palm.app.mobilehotspot_1.0.3_all.ipk'. Jan 24 02:04:04 PuffTheMagic_: Can I translate your statement as "hotspot"? Jan 24 02:05:00 ? Jan 24 02:07:52 Meaning you're going to get the WiFi portion working Jan 24 02:11:50 we will see Jan 24 02:12:01 idk how long those ipks are gonna stay on the website Jan 24 02:14:18 oh Jan 24 02:15:22 but basically they didnt change the wifi driver Jan 24 02:15:27 they changed the firmware Jan 24 02:15:37 Which means? Jan 24 02:15:52 well its closed source binary Jan 24 02:16:04 so hard to replicate in an opensource way Jan 24 02:16:09 and we cant redistribute it Jan 24 02:17:52 Oh. Jan 24 02:18:35 But as long as the ipk's stay there, you can just use have freetether use them? Jan 24 02:18:38 Alright Jan 24 02:18:42 registering is lame Jan 24 02:18:47 lol Jan 24 02:18:54 it's a preventative measure Jan 24 02:18:55 dBsooner: yeah basically Jan 24 02:18:59 FuMan: w/e Jan 24 02:19:00 why the change? Jan 24 02:19:09 as in, what is getting worse than before? Jan 24 02:19:12 FuMan: because there is a big spam going on Jan 24 02:19:22 good porn? Jan 24 02:19:25 no Jan 24 02:19:38 oh shit, dBsooner i meant to mention this earlier Jan 24 02:19:42 I was at the student union at OU Jan 24 02:19:51 and I heard someone refer to the "patch guy from OU" Jan 24 02:19:56 LOL Jan 24 02:19:57 when they were talking about Pres Jan 24 02:19:58 Seriously?1 Jan 24 02:20:00 jah Jan 24 02:20:05 That's awesome! Jan 24 02:20:05 some asian dude and his lady Jan 24 02:20:10 You're a campus legend. Jan 24 02:20:13 ROFL Jan 24 02:20:28 i laughed Jan 24 02:20:39 1, because i thought it was funny, 2, because that was like, the 3rd Pre i had seen on campus Jan 24 02:21:08 iphones and droids up in this mother :/ Jan 24 02:21:22 Next time I go to campus I should wear a shirt that says, "i'm the patch guy" Jan 24 02:21:52 Probably make one for when I go to the LNC next. Jan 24 02:22:14 LNC = Lloyd Noble Center for you non-Sooner folk. Jan 24 02:22:26 you hit up the basketball games? Jan 24 02:22:32 which = The place were they play Basketball. Jan 24 02:22:41 FuMan: When i can make it down there I do. Jan 24 02:22:43 * FuMan 's roommate is an assistance coach for the team Jan 24 02:22:56 You live on campus? Jan 24 02:23:12 close by, off Classen Jan 24 02:23:17 Ahh. Jan 24 02:23:19 2nd year law student Jan 24 02:23:34 Awesome! What area of law? Jan 24 02:23:42 whatever will hire me O_o Jan 24 02:23:55 ROFL Jan 24 02:23:55 you don't really have to declare, I was business undergrad, so im leaning towards those fields Jan 24 02:28:43 eanyone know what kind of protective covers work with touchstone? Jan 24 02:29:06 CorpX: I am 110% sure most will. :) Jan 24 02:29:17 At least I know the InvisibleShield's do. Jan 24 02:29:34 i have a cheapie off ebay Jan 24 02:29:53 i just saw that dell was selling touchstone kits for $30 Jan 24 02:29:56 if its thin, it shoudl work Jan 24 02:33:56 http://i46.tinypic.com/kbbubq.jpg Jan 24 02:35:07 what happened to the inside of that cover? Jan 24 02:35:17 the phone goes in the inside Jan 24 02:35:36 if u mean the hole, it came like that Jan 24 02:38:42 why's it all white looking on the inside? Jan 24 02:39:16 CorpX: damn really? Jan 24 02:39:29 $30 for a touchstone kit is a great deal Jan 24 02:39:35 i just got one used off ebay for $34 Jan 24 02:40:59 http://mobility.dell.com/AccessoriesDetails.aspx?referringdomain=dellmobility&agent=&oflag=&zipcode=&refcode1=DMS_4444_000_PHONEDEALS&refcode2=&eid=&manufacturerid=16&productId=57917&accessoryid=58257&categoryid=186&cenbd=1&cid=35693_f75b922ff6144325b1ecd939f1e1484a Jan 24 02:41:24 psykoz: no idea why its white Jan 24 02:41:32 but the back is a rubbery Jan 24 02:42:21 heh, at least we get the touchstone for free with the phone in germany :) Jan 24 02:42:41 nazi's ;P Jan 24 02:44:06 makes me wanna buy another one Jan 24 02:44:06 haha Jan 24 02:44:26 i already have 3 touchstones Jan 24 02:45:45 ive dropped my phone way too many times to not have a back cover Jan 24 02:46:35 wow free shipping too Jan 24 02:47:25 aaaargh. i dont want to buy it and have it not work with my back cover Jan 24 02:47:27 what to do what to do Jan 24 02:47:42 CorpX: don't use your back cover. ;) Jan 24 02:47:49 TouchStone > back cover Jan 24 02:48:39 i drop my phone too much :( Jan 24 02:48:51 ordered Jan 24 02:48:55 me too Jan 24 02:49:01 me three Jan 24 02:49:07 thats 2 toucstone kits this wk haha Jan 24 02:49:22 now got one for office & one for living room Jan 24 02:49:30 I'm not really all that concerned with the back getting scratched up, I just don't want my screen scratched up, hence I put a bodyguardz on it Jan 24 02:49:57 i have an invisishield on the front Jan 24 02:50:12 good your set, back covers are replaceable Jan 24 02:50:16 you're* set Jan 24 02:52:52 omg Jan 24 02:52:57 read these comments: http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=palm+pre+touchstone+kit&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=14064421620732703333&ei=YLVbS5HYJ5LssgO88vyXAw&sa=X&oi=product_catalog_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBUQ8wIwAA#ps-sellers Jan 24 02:53:15 "terrible charger" Jan 24 02:53:22 "good concept, but not worth the money" Jan 24 02:53:24 wft? Jan 24 02:54:51 ppl are stupid Jan 24 02:54:54 Very. Jan 24 02:55:13 notice its best buy folks Jan 24 02:55:19 that says alot, i think Jan 24 02:55:23 Yeah, BB = not worth it. Jan 24 02:56:01 i just wish pre had better battery life Jan 24 02:56:05 agreed Jan 24 02:56:17 i hear 1.4 isnt even going to help :\ Jan 24 02:56:21 I've been happy with my Pre since the smart reflex patch Jan 24 02:56:39 i use an iphone first gen too Jan 24 02:56:44 and it lasts like 4x longer Jan 24 02:56:45 how fast are u running? Jan 24 02:56:49 with the same amount of usage Jan 24 02:57:10 im thinking about going +50 since thats what the verizon ones run Jan 24 02:57:34 It idles for ~50 hours, if I hammer it with heavy usage lasts ~8, that's what I want, I just want my phone to last as long as my laptop does if I'm using it like my laptop, or idle for 2 days-ish **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jan 24 02:59:57 2010