**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jan 24 02:59:57 2010 Jan 24 03:00:14 i own 3 touchstones and a spare standalone charger Jan 24 03:00:27 psykoz, does smart reflex still work well on 1.3.5.1? Jan 24 03:00:27 psykoz: which patch exactly are you using? Jan 24 03:00:33 i thought it got all pissy around 1.3.5 Jan 24 03:00:33 psykoz: btw, its meshuga, sup dude Jan 24 03:00:58 smartreflex 500, it's going to be hit or miss for you, heard that about 15% of pre's these days still suck with it Jan 24 03:01:19 ah, but you are sticking with 500, not going OC Jan 24 03:01:24 probably for the best :P Jan 24 03:01:26 I've been using it on 1.3.5.1, used it on 1.3.5, infact it was 1.3.x on up where it became much better for me Jan 24 03:01:44 s/much better/more stable/ Jan 24 03:01:44 psykoz meant: I've been using it on 1.3.5.1, used it on 1.3.5, infact it was 1.3.x on up where it became more stable for me Jan 24 03:02:14 heh Jan 24 03:02:16 does anyone Jan 24 03:02:21 Yeah I don't care about overclocking, I want my phone to last longer battery wise, I don't care if it takes me 2 more seconds to load up a webpage Jan 24 03:02:22 I used smartreflex 600 and I had one pre crash which I'm not even positive was caused by it Jan 24 03:02:25 leave gchat and such signed in, with e-mail being pushed Jan 24 03:02:28 and make it more than half a day? Jan 24 03:02:45 psykoz: ya do you leave chat going? Jan 24 03:02:49 im signed into aim/gtalk/etc Jan 24 03:02:53 i have to stay signed out of everything, and have my e-mail on 15 minutes Jan 24 03:03:00 and ill be damned if i can make it 8-8 Jan 24 03:03:02 I don't do realtime email because I'm at my desk so much I get annoyed with having to clear out notifications on stuff I read in realtime Jan 24 03:03:47 FuMan: i heard imap idle is better on battery then 15 mins Jan 24 03:03:49 Here's what I have on all the time and get 36 hours of idle time with: IM, gps, bluetooth, wifi, 50 hours if I turn off all of that Jan 24 03:04:04 Oh and I use 12 hours for one of my email accounts, 1 hour for the other Jan 24 03:05:24 I burn battery at 2.66%/hr with all on (except my email dilemma), 1.7-2% with all stuff off Jan 24 03:05:52 WHAT? Jan 24 03:05:57 I get like... 10% a hour Jan 24 03:06:08 yeah Jan 24 03:06:11 you guys are full of crap :P Jan 24 03:06:26 i mean, really, if i never touched my phone, i can get in the 3s Jan 24 03:06:32 but, heaven forbid i send a text message Jan 24 03:06:35 and god forbid i call. Jan 24 03:06:37 then its all over. Jan 24 03:07:07 This morning I woke up at 8am and traveled across Texas, I had to make a few calls, sent off 10+ text messages, browsed the internet while waiting on my son to be dropped off, drove back to Houston, played on my phone casually for 3 hours at a birthday party my son was attending, got home and started feeding him (which means I'm poking around at my phone another hour or so..), sent a few more text messages Jan 24 03:07:11 and what i really dont get, is if type:game is clocking the Pre to 600, so native clock adjusting is happening more regularly... where is our down-clock on idle? Jan 24 03:07:22 made 2 more calls, put my phone on the charger at 8pm and it had 47% battery still at that time. Jan 24 03:07:31 Smartreflex doesnt play well with 3d games Jan 24 03:07:50 I've not used smartreflex with any of the real games unfortunately, I only install homebrew stuff Jan 24 03:07:57 psykoz: sounds like you dont use your phone much Jan 24 03:08:01 i send 200-500 txts a day Jan 24 03:08:08 O_O Jan 24 03:08:12 14 year old girl alert Jan 24 03:08:13 counting IM Jan 24 03:08:18 haha Jan 24 03:08:23 Oh and I had terminal open for about an hour while I irc'd over ssh/irssi Jan 24 03:08:43 if the Pre had caller groups Jan 24 03:08:44 yes meshuga is a 14 year old girl ;) I've done her in the butt several times Jan 24 03:08:53 so i could batch text more than one user Jan 24 03:08:56 ok... Jan 24 03:08:57 id get bigger numbers Jan 24 03:09:00 psykoz paid me $10k each time Jan 24 03:09:02 cant go wrong Jan 24 03:09:09 *grins* Jan 24 03:09:11 im a 27yo network engineer with a life Jan 24 03:09:12 but I avoid sending text messages with my Pre, cause its such a hassle Jan 24 03:09:22 i know many folks who are worse than me Jan 24 03:09:25 i go out every night Jan 24 03:09:44 plus, i have twitter/facebook/terminal/email constantly going Jan 24 03:09:48 my battery lasts about 6h Jan 24 03:09:51 if im lucky Jan 24 03:10:00 keith, welcome to my world Jan 24 03:10:06 hell, if I'm on campus, in bs signal land Jan 24 03:10:11 ill lose 60 percent in about 3 hours Jan 24 03:10:13 Mines like 8 hours if I dont use any internet Jan 24 03:10:14 i carry 2 phones around because i have too Jan 24 03:10:20 twitter, fecesbook, hah Jan 24 03:10:23 and i use my iphone more for static stuff, twitter/facebook/etc Jan 24 03:10:26 have fun with that ;) Jan 24 03:10:27 ive started just turning my radio off these days, but its still lame Jan 24 03:10:29 I bought a mobile charger Jan 24 03:10:40 Just turn off data Jan 24 03:10:42 psykoz: gotta keep up w/ game somehow Jan 24 03:10:53 * psykoz pats Jan 24 03:10:57 some people just try too hard ;) Jan 24 03:11:03 is data in roam what rapes.. i figured it was cellular? Jan 24 03:11:09 its the life we lead. Jan 24 03:11:21 Just turn off your data connection Jan 24 03:11:24 if you wanna stay inside and bitch and moan, cool Jan 24 03:11:31 heh, ill check it out Jan 24 03:11:37 You still get phone calls and sms text Jan 24 03:11:41 Just no internet or email Jan 24 03:11:44 but thats not for me, i need to be out where the people are Jan 24 03:11:46 Abyssul: fuck that Jan 24 03:11:51 why own a smartphone if you cant use it for data? Jan 24 03:11:52 seriously Jan 24 03:11:55 my blackberry would go 3 days Jan 24 03:12:00 Know why? Jan 24 03:12:01 my iphone goes at least 2 days Jan 24 03:12:16 your iphone only does 1 thing at a time for 2 days Jan 24 03:12:17 Incase of poor service, or if your phone is almost dead and you cant get to a charger. Jan 24 03:12:21 your pre does 8 things at a time for 1 Jan 24 03:12:21 i think i'm going to swap this iphone back to a blackberry, i miss mine Jan 24 03:12:21 Abyssul, because of an overrated multi-tasking feature O_o Jan 24 03:12:22 ;) Jan 24 03:12:33 Turning data off will make it 1% a hour Jan 24 03:12:35 No lie Jan 24 03:12:38 psykoz: iphone/blackberry does that too Jan 24 03:12:49 mine jailbroken of course, have multifl0w on there Jan 24 03:12:51 SO if you are very low, then at least you can call Jan 24 03:12:54 card switching, multitasking Jan 24 03:13:01 multiflow is funny Jan 24 03:13:01 Abyssul: *shurg* i did install the hack for that Jan 24 03:13:10 I use it for school too Jan 24 03:13:16 I get like 0 to 1 bars Jan 24 03:13:19 proswitcher is better, but shitty on 1st gen iphones. pauses too much Jan 24 03:13:41 pretty amazed with how well the iphone handles multitasking though Jan 24 03:13:47 its retarded they didnt build it in Jan 24 03:13:54 OS4.0 Jan 24 03:14:07 rumor has it Jan 24 03:14:11 we'll see in 5 days Jan 24 03:14:13 after that, Christ knows what the Pre is going to campagin on. Jan 24 03:14:23 gg spelling. Jan 24 03:14:25 synergy. Jan 24 03:14:27 heh Jan 24 03:14:30 if batt life was decent Jan 24 03:14:31 I doubt its multitasking Jan 24 03:14:32 i love synergy Jan 24 03:14:33 what, you mean what Android has, and does better? Jan 24 03:14:39 or if it is, then its probably like android Jan 24 03:14:44 android can integrate 3rd party sources Jan 24 03:14:46 contact by contact Jan 24 03:14:52 so you don't have to drag in 02438092384 facebook friends Jan 24 03:14:54 android doesnt have synergy as well/smooth as webos Jan 24 03:14:55 just to get an f-ing picture Jan 24 03:15:02 i would certainly debate that. Jan 24 03:15:10 FuMan: no i mean, how people can talk to me over gtalk/aim/sms Jan 24 03:15:12 smooth, maybe, but much more capable O_o Jan 24 03:15:13 I've used android phones, it's not as nice as synergy is on the pre Jan 24 03:15:14 and i can easily switch between it Jan 24 03:15:16 which is why Motorola added blur to their phone Jan 24 03:15:22 blur is garbage though Jan 24 03:15:26 heh Jan 24 03:15:31 blur and sense are shit Jan 24 03:15:33 really hard to use if you actually use your phone Jan 24 03:15:39 and not giving users the option to disable them, are horrid Jan 24 03:15:45 are/is Jan 24 03:15:53 This man speaks the truth! Jan 24 03:16:03 Pre really has a nice chat UI, although I will admit the Nexus One's chat/im/sms UI is right there with the Pre's Jan 24 03:16:12 and you can also dial someone from the same chat UI if you need too Jan 24 03:16:12 nexus one i havent used Jan 24 03:16:14 finally played with a Nexus Jan 24 03:16:15 I almost wish the Pre had that Jan 24 03:16:22 outside of the browser, which i cooked rom can fix Jan 24 03:16:27 but nexus one and droid piss me off with incompatibility Jan 24 03:16:28 one of the neater phones ive ever used Jan 24 03:16:33 All Pre needs is gpu support in UI, optimizations, and better hardware Jan 24 03:16:37 im not sure ill ever be sold on software keyboard Jan 24 03:16:39 psykoz: oh you mean clicking on the name, then number, is too much? Jan 24 03:16:46 and adding all Preware patches to the next WebOS :p Jan 24 03:16:49 Abyssul, wait, so you mean, a complete redo :P Jan 24 03:17:05 Complete redo? Jan 24 03:17:13 faster UI, new hardware Jan 24 03:17:24 pretty basic stuff that needs fixing :> Jan 24 03:17:26 Whats the redo? Jan 24 03:17:35 hardware, at least O_o Jan 24 03:17:39 They are natural improvements Jan 24 03:17:43 Yes I know Jan 24 03:17:59 but yes, if everything on the Pre just worked faster Jan 24 03:18:03 id be a hell of a device Jan 24 03:18:15 but when I can't scroll through my calllog without my phone taking a dump all over me Jan 24 03:18:15 GPU should help Jan 24 03:18:21 life is frustrating. Jan 24 03:18:32 keith, oh thanks for that Jan 24 03:18:50 The only main problems is the gpu support and memory leaks. Jan 24 03:18:56 Other than that, Id love it to death Jan 24 03:19:05 psykoz: for what? Jan 24 03:19:08 yeah Jan 24 03:19:17 either way, Palm has 5 more months to sell me Jan 24 03:19:24 batt life is my main complaint Jan 24 03:19:32 or myself, and probably a good chunk of other earlier adopters Jan 24 03:19:37 are out when Premier upgrade time rolls around Jan 24 03:19:40 i love openembedded enough to stay with it for awhile Jan 24 03:19:53 Premier upgrade? Jan 24 03:19:59 but really tempted on switching to pre plus Jan 24 03:20:06 Naa... Jan 24 03:20:10 Premier customers on sprint get upgrades once a year Jan 24 03:20:14 1.4 seems hyped though lol Jan 24 03:20:18 Abyssul: ya if you give sprint over a certain amt of money, or are a cust for 10 years, they hook you up w/ 'premier' status Jan 24 03:20:22 so, this summer, all the people who jumped on the Pre are eligible again Jan 24 03:20:27 We are always like "battery performance, rawr!" Jan 24 03:20:30 FuMan: not all, but alot of them Jan 24 03:20:34 and then its like miniscle Jan 24 03:20:39 Abyssul: 1.4 wont have much battery improvements Jan 24 03:20:44 i think its more a 2.0/june thing Jan 24 03:20:54 You think 2.0 is in june? Jan 24 03:21:01 ya, to compete with 4.0 Jan 24 03:21:09 iphoneos 4.0 Jan 24 03:21:19 Hmph, does android follow that tune as well? Jan 24 03:21:27 well, im sure they'll have a release in june, who knows if it'll be 2.0 Jan 24 03:21:30 thats pure speculation on my part Jan 24 03:21:44 androids different Jan 24 03:21:52 they barely have compatiblity between versions Jan 24 03:21:55 lol, android release is batshit Jan 24 03:21:59 android UX experience lacks, too Jan 24 03:22:05 the smartest thing palm did was lock out the pixi from 3d apps Jan 24 03:22:06 er -X Jan 24 03:22:12 to have a infrastructure like the iphone Jan 24 03:22:18 and avoid the massive mess than is android compatibility Jan 24 03:22:27 ya androidn compat is fucked Jan 24 03:22:31 Why is it good to lock out the pixi? Jan 24 03:22:48 android reminds me 100% of winmo. needed 3rd party 'cooked roms' to enable base functionality, tons of fragmentation, etc Jan 24 03:23:00 Abyssul: so they dont have to worry about getting a shitty device up tot speed Jan 24 03:23:06 Keith just similar to our patches Jan 24 03:23:07 Abyssul, one less resolution for devs to worry about Jan 24 03:23:13 Abyssul: no, not similar at all Jan 24 03:23:19 Though I like where Preware is heading Jan 24 03:23:22 Abyssul: we're not fragmenting the entire os and having to reflash the rom Jan 24 03:23:30 we're all on the same core os. Jan 24 03:23:38 nobody i know is using the stock os on their android device Jan 24 03:23:45 except for droid and nexus one users, cuz they havent came out yet Jan 24 03:23:50 g1 users have reflashed 10x at least Jan 24 03:24:09 patching is vastly different from repackaging Jan 24 03:24:13 I know Jan 24 03:24:18 heh Jan 24 03:24:22 think some of the major shiz Jan 24 03:24:24 like LED notifications Jan 24 03:24:25 palm supports the preware community. winmo and google does not support theres Jan 24 03:24:28 are actually going to pop into 1.4? Jan 24 03:24:29 LOL.. rwhitby Jan 24 03:24:38 we were answering the same post simultaniously. Jan 24 03:24:50 I dont understand why LED is still inactive lol Jan 24 03:25:02 Abyssul: nobody here is fragmenting the core rom Jan 24 03:25:08 thats a good question Jan 24 03:25:09 rwhitby: http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2172844&posted=1#post2172844 Jan 24 03:26:36 how exactly does palm support homebrew? Jan 24 03:26:50 i know webosinternals gets the patch in advance Jan 24 03:26:54 do they do anything else? Jan 24 03:26:58 by not sending them cease and desists Jan 24 03:27:05 by promoting homebrew apps to the app catalog Jan 24 03:27:49 by employees chillin in channel and talking to us Jan 24 03:27:51 keith: webos-internals does not do anything that would require a cease and desist. Jan 24 03:28:01 exactly Jan 24 03:28:02 CorpX: That's speculation. WebOS Internals is a group of developers. We as a group don't receive anything special in advance. Jan 24 03:28:22 rwhitby: freetether? Jan 24 03:28:48 rwhitby: roam only? Jan 24 03:28:52 keith: .. and? Jan 24 03:29:04 if they were dicks, they could cease and desist on source code modifications Jan 24 03:29:04 CorpX: And as individuals, that could be different. However, I am sure there would be NDA's involved and even if they were getting something, they wouldn't be able to disclose that information. Jan 24 03:29:12 keith: if anything that discussion would be between sprint and palm. webos is on MANY devices over MANY carriers Jan 24 03:29:32 I cant wait for Verizons launch Jan 24 03:29:36 heh Jan 24 03:29:38 and eventually ATT Jan 24 03:29:38 keith: on what grounds? Jan 24 03:29:40 itll be great for WebOS Jan 24 03:29:43 no one has sprint :P Jan 24 03:29:53 I love Sprint Jan 24 03:29:53 rwhitby: that the patches are modifying their source code Jan 24 03:29:58 I do too Jan 24 03:29:58 people have C&D'd for less Jan 24 03:30:01 but that makes 2 :P Jan 24 03:30:03 ok someone is over here Jan 24 03:30:04 bbiab Jan 24 03:30:10 FuMan: you mean except the tens of millions of people who have it? I wouldn't want to pay twice as much per month for the same service Jan 24 03:30:19 im not arguing that Jan 24 03:30:22 ill never leave sprint Jan 24 03:30:28 keith: the patches do not infringe copyright Jan 24 03:30:33 just, in the grand scheme of things, Sprint is a joke of an exclusive, and a super weird choice. Jan 24 03:30:42 rwhitby: apparently people send C&Ds for doing nothing illegal :P Jan 24 03:30:48 Palm has always relied on Sprint Jan 24 03:30:52 FuMan: I won't argue. Jan 24 03:30:54 the larger user base on big red will be nice. Jan 24 03:31:09 bigger market, attract more devs, yadayadayada Jan 24 03:31:20 has palm been forthcoming towards homebrews with treos? Jan 24 03:31:26 Palm is looking to expand WebOS before any true profits will be made Jan 24 03:31:26 :-/ Jan 24 03:31:55 eg. why Ele Partners are investing so heavily. Jan 24 03:32:10 Gonna laugh at how much profit they make Jan 24 03:32:17 keith: webos-internals is open and transparent and very public about everything we do, specifically so that anything that might possibly cause a C&D can be detected early and done a different way. Jan 24 03:32:35 meta-doctor^ Jan 24 03:33:07 rwhitby: http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2172876&posted=1#post2172876 Jan 24 03:33:09 wasn't Treo Pro just silently killed? Jan 24 03:33:19 too bad, it's nice hardware Jan 24 03:33:20 does apple go after the unlockers? Jan 24 03:33:26 not as powerful as Pixi Jan 24 03:33:28 whatever they call it Jan 24 03:33:35 rwhitby: not to mention the super open lines of communication :) Jan 24 03:33:47 Night Jan 24 03:35:39 what could palm send a c&d for, other than say pirating app store apps? Jan 24 03:35:59 CorpX: redistribution of copyright material Jan 24 03:36:13 CorpX: including of copyrighted material in a separate package. Jan 24 03:36:26 CorpX: Remember, WebOS is closed source. Jan 24 03:36:59 true Jan 24 03:37:27 if palm is willing to let tethering slide, im guessing they have quite a bit of leeway Jan 24 03:37:49 Palm doesn't say who can and can't tether. Jan 24 03:38:04 That's the carriers. Jan 24 03:38:04 CorpX: um, .eu gsm Pre devices include bluetooth tethering out of the box Jan 24 03:38:09 i know Jan 24 03:38:18 but im talking about the illegal sprint tethering Jan 24 03:38:27 that's between Sprint and Sprint's customeers. Jan 24 03:38:34 That's not Palm's battle. Jan 24 03:38:34 that's Sprint's. Jan 24 03:38:49 well, apple pulled the tethering app because at&t pressured them to? Jan 24 03:38:53 or was it google/somebody? Jan 24 03:39:11 or am i completely off? Jan 24 03:39:21 CorpX: how is it 'illegal', that doesn't make sense Jan 24 03:39:27 CorpX: All that is negotiated in contracts. Consider the parties involved. The more power one company has, the more they can get away with. Jan 24 03:40:12 CorpX: I think you just need to consider the wider picture than just your own region and it's peculiar situation where the consumers have given all the power to the carriers by accepting subsidies. Jan 24 03:40:49 In countries where unlocked devices are the norm, tethering is loved by the carriers, cause it means more money for them. Jan 24 03:41:08 i know Jan 24 03:41:18 but sprint is losing $60 a month (technically) when i tether my laptop to my pre Jan 24 03:42:07 Yep, and if they care about it they tap you on the shoulder (cause they specifically know just about everything that you do with your phone, since every bit of information from your phone passes through their network). Jan 24 03:42:55 CorpX: No, sprint simply doesn't _offer_ webos tethering as an option. Besides, no where in your contract does it say you _cant_ do it Jan 24 03:43:00 * rwhitby bbl Jan 24 03:43:06 rwhitby: I completely agree. i used to work for Sprint and would get those phone calls of someone getting denied access to the network because they were using too much bandwidth. Or they would call in because their bill was $5k that month. Jan 24 03:43:06 i did it on my old razor. motorola provided the app to do it. Jan 24 03:43:24 So if you can figure it out, better off for you. If you break 5GB, on a regular basis (ie 3 months in a row or so), they _may_ choose to notify you or cancel your contract.. but that's just /policy/, and not even official policy. No legalities there. Jan 24 03:43:41 ive never used more than 500mb Jan 24 03:43:47 zsoc: Yeah, it does say it in the T&C. Jan 24 03:43:54 It's listed under the PAM policies. Jan 24 03:44:01 Phone As Modem requires a separate plan. Jan 24 03:44:11 dBsooner: except they don't _offer_ the plan atm Jan 24 03:44:19 not to webOS devices. Jan 24 03:44:21 on any phone that isn't an iden blackberry :P Jan 24 03:44:27 sure they do. Jan 24 03:44:34 I had it on all my winmo devices. Jan 24 03:44:35 very few devices last i checked. Jan 24 03:44:40 That was then Jan 24 03:44:47 I had it all the way up June 06, 2009 Jan 24 03:44:55 * zsoc shrugs Jan 24 03:44:59 I'll defer to you then. Jan 24 03:45:02 lol Jan 24 03:45:13 but maybe I slipped under the radar, dunno. Jan 24 03:45:16 dBsooner: Clearly they know, and clearly they want to keep their customers / not bug them Jan 24 03:45:23 Yup. Jan 24 03:45:34 If they were /losing/ money they would break your contract, like they do with 50% of bucket roaming users Jan 24 03:45:42 Like I said, I used to work there and in teh Tier 2 tech support. Jan 24 03:45:50 dBsooner: in oklahoma? Jan 24 03:45:53 Si. Jan 24 03:46:02 What is it... 43rd floor or something? :D Jan 24 03:46:03 Oklahoma was the ONLY tier 2 support center. Jan 24 03:46:26 used to be floor 13 in Tulsa. Jan 24 03:46:36 or was it 14? Jan 24 03:46:37 hm, yeah maybe 13 sounds right. Jan 24 03:46:42 It's been 5 years. Jan 24 03:46:45 * zsoc shrugs, i just recall the joke Jan 24 03:46:54 I recall that being the place where things actually got fixed. Jan 24 03:46:59 Hey, I was like the only one that did things right. Jan 24 03:47:09 maybe i talked to you a lot? lol Jan 24 03:47:10 Yeah, my job was brutal. Jan 24 03:47:44 "Thank you for calling Sprint Tier 2 Technical Support, my name is Daniel, can I have your 10 digit Sprint # starting with the area code please." Jan 24 03:48:14 lulzget Jan 24 03:48:20 "Yeah.. my Treo 300 won't hotsync anymore! FIX IT NOW! I have to be on a plane in 5 minutes." Jan 24 03:48:27 I remember once I had a guy _change_ an msid to fix a problem. Jan 24 03:48:40 * dBsooner reaches through the phone and slaps someone... GET ON THE DANG PLANE! Jan 24 03:48:49 I was like "you can just... change msids? I've had 100's of people for years tell me you can't change msids.." Jan 24 03:49:02 I changed MSID's all the time. Jan 24 03:49:09 In fact, I just recently changed my MSID on my own. Jan 24 03:49:11 "Nope, just changed it".... "Oh. Great." Jan 24 03:49:36 I remember truckers calling in.. with troubles with their Aircards. Jan 24 03:49:39 WHILE DRIVING. Jan 24 03:49:48 They would strap their laptops to the steering wheels. Jan 24 03:49:49 No lie. Jan 24 03:50:19 They need accelerometers so the laptop would auto rotate the screen as they turn. Jan 24 03:50:28 ROFL Jan 24 03:50:34 I know right? Jan 24 03:50:45 Which reminds me of a cool app for the iPhone we need for the pre. Jan 24 03:50:49 http://bit.ly/6pYNWY Jan 24 03:50:51 Lookie Jan 24 03:50:53 or else Jan 24 03:50:54 If you're driving the interstate across ks or ok,the wheel doesn't rotate Jan 24 03:50:55 and Pixi for that matter. Jan 24 03:51:09 Rick-home or Texas, or New mexico. Jan 24 03:51:22 at least not for hours and hours. Jan 24 03:51:23 God New mexico.. BLAH! I thought Kansas was bad. Jan 24 03:51:37 it is bad, west of Salina Jan 24 03:51:39 in NM there aren't even Radio Statios for hours and hours. Jan 24 03:51:50 dBsooner true Jan 24 03:52:07 Man that was a bad drivce. Jan 24 03:52:09 LOL Jan 24 03:52:42 Doesn't ACID really test handling of malformed html/css more than properly formed code? Jan 24 03:52:51 but if you get on I-70 in St Louis, you have a grand total of seven major turns of more than 10 degrees to get to denver. Jan 24 03:53:04 sdodson no Jan 24 03:53:17 Anyway.. cool app: It prevents use of the phone while going more than 5mph.. You can only dial 911. Jan 24 03:53:26 Its mainly for teenagers so they can't text/talk and drive. Jan 24 03:53:37 It's gained a lot of popularity on the iPhone. Jan 24 03:53:51 corpx: Are you serious with that touchstone cover? lol Jan 24 03:54:07 touchstone painting service. Jan 24 03:54:18 Abyssul: don't feed the trolls :( Jan 24 03:54:35 dBsooner, thats stupid Jan 24 03:54:42 What if Im running Jan 24 03:54:48 Abyssul: not if your a parent. :D Jan 24 03:54:52 It's a great idea. Jan 24 03:54:55 or in the passenger seat Jan 24 03:55:05 Jeez, so many things wrong about that Jan 24 03:55:35 Im starting to think this CanadianPre dude is a troll... Jan 24 03:55:52 the problem is, that the teen in the passengers seat keeps SHOWING the phone to to driver. Jan 24 03:55:56 YOU don't need it. Jan 24 03:56:01 16 year old idiots do. Jan 24 03:56:07 im 17 :( Jan 24 03:56:16 but you're not an idiot Jan 24 03:56:28 Not yet Jan 24 03:56:40 So you agree with me Rick-home? I would so put it on my kids phone. But I am glad they are only 7 and 5. :D Jan 24 03:56:49 otoh, _I_ am 55 years old, and _I_ have been known to text and drive. Jan 24 03:56:57 Hehehe.. Me too. Jan 24 03:57:02 dBsooner: You're cruel Jan 24 03:57:06 lol Jan 24 03:57:06 Did anyone see my link? Jan 24 03:57:07 In fact, I have been known to type and drive. Jan 24 03:57:18 i want to put my cover over the touchstone Jan 24 03:57:22 so it'll protect against drops etc Jan 24 03:57:35 Abyssul: yeah, I saw it.. but it was a lot of reading. Jan 24 03:57:37 again, when you're somewhere between Junction City and the Colorado boarder, and you haven't seen another car for an hour, and the nearest farm lights are twinkling in the distance, and the road stretches out 400 miles ruler straight ahead of you.... Jan 24 03:58:09 Rick-home: Man, you are making me sleepy just thinking about it. Jan 24 03:58:11 many many times I have wanted to build a "while line follower circuit" Jan 24 03:58:24 I found skype for webos Jan 24 03:58:28 "turn this on, wake me up in 20 minutes, thanks. Jan 24 03:58:33 Abyssul link? Jan 24 03:58:44 http://www.shapeservices.com/en/products/details.php?product=skype&platform=webos&page=features Jan 24 03:58:51 Abyssul: find me a Facebook chat for webOS. Jan 24 03:59:14 FB chat doesnt even work on PC Jan 24 03:59:18 POS Jan 24 03:59:26 lite.facebook.com dBsooner Jan 24 03:59:34 i edited the op Jan 24 03:59:40 too many people read it the wrong way Jan 24 03:59:44 Abyssul: so wrap that into a program. :D Jan 24 03:59:45 CHEAT CHEAT CHEAT -- it's messaging only Jan 24 03:59:52 it's NOT "skype for webos" Jan 24 03:59:56 Na, its calls to Jan 24 04:01:35 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/226467-would-touchstone-work-cover.html rephrased Jan 24 04:01:55 .... Jan 24 04:02:02 You troll Jan 24 04:02:07 and you still use XP Jan 24 04:02:14 lol Jan 24 04:02:23 not trolling Jan 24 04:02:25 Silver to be exact o.O Jan 24 04:02:30 but it should work Jan 24 04:02:59 Anyoen know how to make Friendsbook remember your dang login?: Jan 24 04:03:10 I don't want to have to type my pw every single time. Jan 24 04:03:12 The current FB apps suck Jan 24 04:03:27 Abyssul: it's good enough fo me. Jan 24 04:03:29 Why cant they take the source code from the official and expand <.< Jan 24 04:03:36 well, that's very itneresting. I'm not sure I belive them Abyssul Jan 24 04:03:38 The palm one is so clean but is lackluster Jan 24 04:03:50 Rick, me either. Just something to note Jan 24 04:06:30 how easy is it to get access to the facebook sdk? Jan 24 04:06:38 SDK? Jan 24 04:06:45 you mean the source code? Jan 24 04:06:47 you mean facebooks API? Jan 24 04:06:51 yea api Jan 24 04:06:51 oops Jan 24 04:06:56 ;) Jan 24 04:07:06 i know linkedin people are real strict Jan 24 04:14:45 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/226463-auto-enable-ip-forwarding-mobile-hotspot.html Jan 24 04:16:12 PuffTheMagic_: ^^ Jan 24 04:17:05 rwhitby: Man I wish we could put that in preware. :D Jan 24 04:22:23 why not... Jan 24 04:24:11 Abyssul: Because Jason said he is not going to submit it for inclusion. And I am sure this is one that rwhitby will not want included. Jan 24 04:24:25 Meh Jan 24 04:26:03 rwhitby: thoughts? Jan 24 04:27:46 dBsooner: what's the difference? you could.. i don't know... open freetether and flick a tiny switch? Jan 24 04:27:51 * zsoc|awayz is jaded Jan 24 04:28:04 I just want to install the patch. :D Jan 24 04:28:17 that patch allows you to use the WiFi hotspot Jan 24 04:28:36 I cant get it to work Jan 24 04:28:40 oh I see. Jan 24 04:28:49 can I install it with ipkg install? Jan 24 04:29:32 youd have to use WOSQI Jan 24 04:30:31 zsoc|awayz Jan 24 04:30:35 woops.. enter fail Jan 24 04:30:56 zsoc|awayz: Yeah, I see that now. Bah. I'm good with openening freetether and hitting toggle. Jan 24 04:31:32 ok then :) I don't see what the big deal is personally.. usbnet tethering is much more device friendly (ie, heat, imo) Jan 24 04:32:01 nah Jan 24 04:32:06 go BT tethering FTW Jan 24 04:32:24 Pre on TS, BT tether. Jan 24 04:32:42 which reminds me.. I DO have the PAm plan on my pre. Jan 24 04:33:11 I cant install freetetherd Jan 24 04:33:23 why? Jan 24 04:33:25 its in preware. :D Jan 24 04:33:34 I dont have test feed Jan 24 04:33:48 ~test_feed Jan 24 04:33:51 ~test-feed Jan 24 04:33:57 ~test-feeds Jan 24 04:34:05 ~testing-feed Jan 24 04:34:07 [testing-feed] a means of testing new WebOS Internals products, documented at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds Jan 24 04:34:09 THERE Jan 24 04:39:15 theres no service Jan 24 04:40:07 how does tethering work on verizon? Jan 24 04:40:23 if u download the app, u'll get the $40 added to ur bill? Jan 24 04:40:51 No Jan 24 04:41:01 They'll just charge you a crapload for tethering Jan 24 04:41:22 Basically preys upon the uninformed people Jan 24 04:41:34 but sprint lets users get away with it Jan 24 04:42:12 dBsooner, ' Jan 24 04:42:19 ive been looking for a way to add the testing feeds, forever Jan 24 04:42:22 thanks for that link O_o Jan 24 04:42:25 lol Jan 24 04:42:30 Thanks rwhitby. :D Jan 24 04:42:39 dBsooner: It says "An error occured, return value 1. ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for us.ryanhope.freetether: us.ryanhope.freetetherd" Jan 24 04:42:43 i really have been talking to my self for a while Jan 24 04:43:25 sound off and didnt notice to services!!!!! Jan 24 04:44:38 mm Jan 24 04:44:43 so where can i get this tether app? Jan 24 04:44:53 Abyssul: update feeds. Jan 24 04:48:17 dBsooner: Same thing Jan 24 04:48:22 hmdigity Jan 24 04:48:28 wait, so you're telling me freetether can tether via wifi, usb, and bt already? Jan 24 04:48:33 Does something similar when I try to install through webosUI Jan 24 04:48:40 FuMan, only USB Jan 24 04:50:52 rwhitby: ping Jan 24 04:51:21 disregard Jan 24 04:53:07 Abyssul: did you echo both lines? Jan 24 04:53:54 do: cat /media/cryptofs/apps/etc/ipkg/webos-internals-testing.conf Jan 24 04:54:02 make sure both lines are there Jan 24 04:54:05 and are proper. Jan 24 04:54:41 It doesnt install in WebOS QI TOO Jan 24 04:54:55 brillant Jan 24 04:54:57 my mifi works! Jan 24 04:55:26 dBsooner: "src/gz webosinternals-testing http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/all " Jan 24 04:55:54 you need taht second line Jan 24 04:56:13 src/gz webosinternals-testing-armv7 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/armv7 Jan 24 04:56:23 arm7 is where the freetetherd is Jan 24 04:56:32 because it is architecture dependent Jan 24 04:57:29 I'm offline for at least the next 30 hours, and then spotty access from then for the next 7 days. Have fun with tethering and AUPT and webOS releases while I'm away ;-) egaudet has the keys while I'm gone. Jan 24 04:58:07 lol Jan 24 04:58:15 Have fun Jan 24 04:58:20 I'm second in charge right? :D Jan 24 04:58:38 have a safe trip rwhitby Jan 24 04:58:56 Be safe sir. Let us know when you land. I'll watch the news just in case. :) Jan 24 04:59:13 egaudet: you see the new mobile hotspot hack ? Jan 24 04:59:52 it should help you doc the bus messages for the MHS service Jan 24 05:00:06 I learned in meetings this week that "silence is agreement"... so i guess I'm the queen in egaudet's palace. Jan 24 05:00:38 Geez egaudet.. could this "mass_patch" take any dang longer? Jan 24 05:01:06 yea it could, do you want it to? Jan 24 05:01:22 Please. Jan 24 05:01:37 Robi_, I haven't seen much at all with the hotspot stuff, been drowning in aupt at the moment Jan 24 05:02:33 lol.. egaudet's my king. Jan 24 05:03:01 Abyssul: you get it going yo? Jan 24 05:03:08 Updating feeds now Jan 24 05:03:18 egaudet: ppl used freetether to enable IP_Forwarding, then got the .ipkg for MHS from a verizon Pre, now there's a native palm MHS app and it works on SPrint Jan 24 05:03:36 egaudet: Yeeha.. it's in the browser patches Jan 24 05:03:38 finally a reliable wifi tether Jan 24 05:03:50 Robi_: Thank Palm? :p Jan 24 05:04:06 do i have to keep the freetether open for mifi to work? Jan 24 05:04:22 no Jan 24 05:04:28 Just the service installed Jan 24 05:04:40 dont really need freetether if u know how to use terminal to set ip forwarding Jan 24 05:04:46 and install Jasons patch Jan 24 05:05:09 then Jason did the patch for the MHS app to do it via the freetetherD service Jan 24 05:05:34 Is it safe just to keep ip forwarding on all the time? Jan 24 05:05:35 now because comcast is down here, I'm routing all my wifi and ethernet traffic thru the Pre Jan 24 05:05:53 Robi_: Tell me how thats goes with any data charges :) Jan 24 05:06:05 wont matter much Jan 24 05:06:21 2.5mbit down and .33mbit up, comcast is coming tomorrow to fix thier shit Jan 24 05:06:52 what are the chances sprint cracks down on tethering? Jan 24 05:06:58 Low Jan 24 05:07:08 if you stay below some 5GB limit Jan 24 05:08:12 i tethered with my centro for 4 months straight with a min of 12Gb a month never heard anything...... Jan 24 05:08:24 love my custom router firmware that lets me bridge it's wifi port to the pre Jan 24 05:09:17 egaudet: its in emails now Jan 24 05:11:59 neat Jan 24 05:12:01 man this is so awesome Jan 24 05:12:04 no doubt Jan 24 05:13:05 yea it is Jan 24 05:13:08 pretty badass Jan 24 05:13:25 ethernet bridge ro Pre, -50dBm Jan 24 05:13:32 s/ro/to Jan 24 05:19:59 Cant get Jasons patch to install Jan 24 05:21:04 fun Jan 24 05:24:25 rwhitby: something new in that post? Jan 24 05:26:35 PuffTheMagic_: he's gone. Jan 24 05:26:43 forever... Jan 24 05:26:46 and ever. Jan 24 05:27:11 And I cant get MHS to connect Jan 24 05:27:13 ahh i see Jason made a patch Jan 24 05:27:25 Well.... provide a data connection Jan 24 05:27:51 amen Jan 24 05:30:31 My data, brought to you by Sprint... Jan 24 05:31:15 lol Jan 24 05:32:23 Now when my dad unplugs my internet Jan 24 05:32:33 Ill be like... f### yeah! Jan 24 05:33:46 haha Jan 24 05:35:26 Wow Jan 24 05:35:32 My touchstone cant keep up with the tether usage Jan 24 05:35:42 and its only one device connected Jan 24 05:35:48 If it was 5, it would blow up Jan 24 05:39:24 the 3gness is slow in joplin Jan 24 05:39:36 or atleast the tower i was on Jan 24 05:40:48 hwo do I restart luna with luna-send? Jan 24 05:40:51 how* Jan 24 05:41:19 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Luna_Send Jan 24 05:41:47 nada Jan 24 05:42:34 the top one on that page Jan 24 05:52:41 no the rescans for new apps Jan 24 05:52:45 that* Jan 24 06:30:19 hmm can't OTA from 1.3.1.... "Phone is up to date" Jan 24 06:38:30 egaudet: read your omadm.log Jan 24 06:38:39 Mine was giving 401 in responses Jan 24 06:38:42 that's bad Jan 24 06:39:13 weee Jan 24 06:39:16 she listened! Jan 24 06:39:34 Adora|Home: Is something arry with the update server by chance? I mean, you're my only hope here. Jan 24 06:40:05 Both egaudet and I doctored to 1.3.1 and when we run "Updates" we get "Phone is up to date." Jan 24 06:40:14 Youre' my only hope. :( Jan 24 06:40:34 where do you modify the voicemail number that the Pre dials when you hit the voicemail button? Jan 24 06:40:46 WillJitsu: i thought that was automatic. Jan 24 06:41:16 Adora|Home: cable suck? Jan 24 06:41:19 dBsooner: well it is set to my Sprint number but I want to change it to my google voice number Jan 24 06:41:38 WillJitsu: I don't think you can. Jan 24 06:41:47 ugh that's dumb Jan 24 06:43:34 You need your msl and you have to edit it there Jan 24 06:44:10 oh noes.. I just read Adora|Home's tweet from earlier.. she went to an afterparty at a brewing company.. she might not be able to type. :D Jan 24 06:44:13 or at least that is how it has always worked with previous sprint phones Jan 24 06:45:44 well there goes the plan to release aupt tonight Jan 24 06:45:52 we shall see tomorrow Jan 24 06:46:18 psykoz: I can get the msl from Sprint, right? Jan 24 06:46:24 yea Jan 24 06:46:34 call up and just ask for it theyll give to you Jan 24 06:47:40 usually a phone has 2 numbers you configure it for, both it's actual phone number and then its voicemail number (which is usually the same as the phone number) Jan 24 06:47:55 however you can usually change that voicemail number to another number and it also changes the voicemail button to dial that number Jan 24 06:48:00 (usually) Jan 24 06:48:30 psykoz: ok do you know where to edit that voicemail number once I obtain the msl? Jan 24 06:50:15 it should say voicemail and willb e one of a few options in there Jan 24 06:56:55 ping? Jan 24 06:57:02 pongz Jan 24 06:57:02 Yeah! Jan 24 06:57:04 can I get a pong, brotha? Jan 24 06:57:08 sweeeeeeeeet Jan 24 06:57:09 pong! Jan 24 06:57:18 Save me from Palm Chat hell Jan 24 06:57:27 i can haz updates Jan 24 06:57:41 what's going on? Jan 24 06:57:54 disclaimer: I'm running on 2 hours sleep, so I do not promise coherence Jan 24 06:57:56 Did you get a memo about them doing any update server maintainence this weekend? Jan 24 06:58:09 dBsooner: memo? lolz Jan 24 06:58:20 2 hours sleep ouch, how many awake Jan 24 06:58:21 I mean...no, why? Jan 24 06:58:25 Lovely.. just like my company.. we are a COMMUNICATIONS company that doesn't communicate. Jan 24 06:58:50 Adora|Home: 1.3.1 fresh doctor.. "Updates"... "Your phone is up to date." Jan 24 06:59:02 !!! Jan 24 06:59:13 tell me about it. Jan 24 06:59:15 dude, I saw that problem earlier tonight! Jan 24 06:59:25 egaudet and I are trying to frickin test AUPT here. Jan 24 06:59:33 So we can frickin release it like tonight. Jan 24 06:59:35 the phones we gave out at the dev event today were 1.1.0 Jan 24 06:59:37 BUT NO... palm. Jan 24 06:59:38 and not updating Jan 24 06:59:50 I thought it was something funky about having a version that old Jan 24 06:59:51 I have bene reading the omadm logs Jan 24 06:59:55 they are getting error 401 Jan 24 06:59:57 from the server Jan 24 07:00:03 which is a not authorized error Jan 24 07:00:05 which is why I said to doctor if you're having that problem Jan 24 07:00:35 odadm.. something like that Jan 24 07:01:14 dBsooner: something major is broken, and some engineer is probably being whipped until it gets fixed Jan 24 07:01:28 looks like a global problem Jan 24 07:01:37 just sit tight Jan 24 07:01:41 Adora|Home: can you confirm that? :D Jan 24 07:01:47 tell palm chat to sod off Jan 24 07:01:50 or is that speculation based on your party earlier? Jan 24 07:02:12 Palm chat wants me to reboot. lol. Jan 24 07:02:15 dBsooner: based on my experience today with other devices, Something Is Wrong Jan 24 07:02:19 Someone was monitoring this channel and said "oh look they are testing AUPT, pull the update plug and laugh!" Jan 24 07:02:52 dBsooner: even if I did look it up, I wouldn't be able to say more Jan 24 07:02:55 Adora|Home: How do I get invited to one of these parties to get a dev device? :D Jan 24 07:03:14 be a ruby developer in SF, apparently Jan 24 07:03:21 Well that sucks. Jan 24 07:03:29 How about a rails dev in Tampa? :( Jan 24 07:03:43 Or a cool cat in Tulsa? Jan 24 07:03:43 Heh Jan 24 07:04:19 When I think of cool, I think of Tulsa. ;) Jan 24 07:04:23 Adora|Home: let's call Chuq. Make him call his bosses. Jan 24 07:04:33 Spell tulsa backwards. xD Jan 24 07:04:35 it is cool! Jan 24 07:04:42 the events strategy is currently being finalized...I'm pushing for you guys to have cool stuff, too Jan 24 07:04:51 heh Jan 24 07:05:15 All I care about right now is this damn update server giving me my 1.3.5.1 back Jan 24 07:05:21 OTA Jan 24 07:05:34 hehehe Jan 24 07:06:21 Answer this: Name another company where you can twitter dmsg a rep from the company asking them to come to IRC bc you have a problem and they are there within 3 minutes? Jan 24 07:08:21 bhern will fix it! Jan 24 07:09:30 yes. cuz I dont have enough work. :) Jan 24 07:09:45 This is an easy one. Jan 24 07:09:52 it has to do with security. Jan 24 07:09:52 :D Jan 24 07:10:07 ok Jan 24 07:10:16 in a wierd way I guess. Jan 24 07:11:04 shoot Jan 24 07:11:23 Updates server .. whenever I got to "Updates" I am getting "Your device is already up to date." Jan 24 07:11:30 s/already// Jan 24 07:11:31 dBsooner meant: Updates server .. whenever I got to "Updates" I am getting "Your device is up to date." Jan 24 07:11:35 1.3.1 Jan 24 07:12:00 examining the logs, I see that odadm.log (i need to verify the name) is returning a 401 Jan 24 07:12:10 when it tries to poll stats of the update server Jan 24 07:12:15 error 401 = not authorized. Jan 24 07:12:39 so it looks like the device is defaulting to "must not be any updates." Jan 24 07:12:51 it's happening on two freshly doctored 1.3.1 pre's Jan 24 07:13:09 yes. it's possible somehow your auth tokens are bad/missing/whtever Jan 24 07:13:22 egaudet and my pre Jan 24 07:13:31 so two completely different accounts Jan 24 07:13:38 and a 1.1.0 pre right out of the box Jan 24 07:13:38 easiest thing is to go thru first use again and restore Jan 24 07:13:44 did that 3 times Jan 24 07:13:53 ahh... 1.1.0? Jan 24 07:13:55 I haven't verified the 401, but the same end result Jan 24 07:13:57 and Adora|Home had them this evening brand new out of the box with 1.1.0 doing it Jan 24 07:15:15 does it do that when you doctor to 1.3.5 and restore your profile? Jan 24 07:16:23 Jan 24 07:16:25 2 Jan 24 07:16:27 1 Jan 24 07:16:29 1 Jan 24 07:16:31 Alert Jan 24 07:16:33 401 Jan 24 07:16:35 Jan 24 07:16:50 but later down the list I get data of 200 returned Jan 24 07:17:00 I can get into App catalog just fine Jan 24 07:17:09 and even install apps Jan 24 07:17:39 if you can do AC it's not auth tokens and such Jan 24 07:17:42 and its "omadm.log" Jan 24 07:17:59 let me reverify Jan 24 07:18:36 "Downlading flixter" Jan 24 07:18:41 installed Jan 24 07:18:51 it's also possible given that it's a sat you are hitting some maintenence or something. not really my dept Jan 24 07:19:05 yea, that is what I was leaning towards Jan 24 07:19:11 but it was happening at 8pm your time Jan 24 07:19:22 which would be areally odd time to do maint. Jan 24 07:19:28 i'll peek Jan 24 07:19:38 maybe prepping for verizon launch? Jan 24 07:19:48 sshhhh.. ;) Jan 24 07:20:08 dBsooner: I really have no idea, I'm just guessing like you guys =] Jan 24 07:20:21 I know, I don't want you to jinx it. hehehe Jan 24 07:20:30 jinx the launch? Jan 24 07:20:34 si Jan 24 07:20:43 psh, vzw launch will be perfect Jan 24 07:20:46 PERFECT Jan 24 07:20:51 we shall see Jan 24 07:21:00 t - 24 hours Jan 24 07:23:29 well i'm seeing the 401 too but i do get the update anyways. tho i'm on a different server than you so that's not conclusive Jan 24 07:24:25 * Adora|Home id's bhern Jan 24 07:24:34 ah-ha! Jan 24 07:24:41 lol Jan 24 07:24:49 bhern is god Jan 24 07:24:59 I thought he sounded a bit too smart Jan 24 07:27:26 Does it matter that this is a brand new palm profile? Jan 24 07:27:30 the end of your log makes it look fine server-wise but it's possible your local data with respect to what's installed, needs updates, etc is bad Jan 24 07:27:41 it shouldnt Jan 24 07:27:55 but when you muck with ipkg by hand sometimes things can get out of sync Jan 24 07:28:00 one sec... Jan 24 07:28:51 I created a new profile earlier just so it wouldn't reinstall all my AC apps on 1.3.1 .. I only went back to test AUPT. SO i created a new profile to dummy it. Jan 24 07:29:16 I haven't tried changing the profile back to my real one. Jan 24 07:29:46 all my rootfs files are md5sum ok Jan 24 07:30:17 something has me befuddled bhern: Jan 24 07:30:19 [LockFile: 1152]: sem_wait...[LockFile: 1154]: locked Jan 24 07:30:19 [ReadVersion: 2422]: Unable to read version file Jan 24 07:30:19 [IpcIsDownRev: 677]: Assume update is not a down-rev Jan 24 07:30:19 [ImplementState: 247]: Device is up-to-date Jan 24 07:30:34 thats from updated.log Jan 24 07:32:33 well first when you move a profile back and forth to different versions it can occassionaly cause problems Jan 24 07:32:43 tis why i created a new profile. Jan 24 07:32:45 :D Jan 24 07:32:45 historially at least we've had some problems with backup and such Jan 24 07:33:15 and doesn't explain the 1.1.0 devices new-in-box doing it Jan 24 07:33:31 yeah, a new device should update in any event Jan 24 07:35:14 I wonder what "version file" UpdateD is talking about Jan 24 07:35:22 i assume you've already been down the reboot path, yah? Jan 24 07:35:27 several times Jan 24 07:35:33 partial erase Jan 24 07:35:34 "Have you tried turning it off and back on again?" Jan 24 07:35:35 full erase Jan 24 07:35:36 heh Jan 24 07:35:37 ok Jan 24 07:35:40 it has to be a server issue Jan 24 07:35:41 pull batt Jan 24 07:36:00 hopefully tomorrow will be fixed Jan 24 07:36:15 egaudet: not if the person that needs to fix it doesn't know about it. :D Jan 24 07:36:41 could you imagine if all the VZW pre and pixi's need to be updated and this happens? Jan 24 07:36:57 it's probably why it's down Jan 24 07:43:54 responsible folks pinged in any event Jan 24 07:44:10 woot! Jan 24 07:44:25 SO we'll at least know what's up by tomorrow. :D Jan 24 07:44:47 s/./?/ Jan 24 07:44:49 dBsooner meant: SO we'll at least know what's up by tomorrow? :D Jan 24 07:46:56 are these all clean image devices or do they have any homebrew stuff on them? Jan 24 07:47:59 cool got my msl and fixed my vm button Jan 24 07:48:13 wonder if willjitsu was successful getting his msl from sprint Jan 24 07:49:25 bhern: Completely clean. Jan 24 07:49:50 bhern: I mean I JUST redoctored with the 1.3.1 image downlaoded from the support site. Jan 24 07:50:05 and immediately ran Updates after signing into my palm profile. Jan 24 07:50:28 The only other thing I did was enable dev mode. Jan 24 07:51:40 yeah. dev mode wont do this Jan 24 07:51:41 bhern: And I'll speak for Adora|Home because she is probably passed out (2 hours of sleep), she said they gave out devices at the developer party tonight. Jan 24 07:51:51 all of which had 1.1.0 on them. Jan 24 07:51:55 brand new Jan 24 07:52:07 she even tweeted about it.. telling them to "Doctor" Jan 24 08:33:04 hrmm Jan 24 08:33:46 how does one make his pre vibrate on IM and txt messages (similar to how you can make email do vibrate only even while ringer is on) Jan 24 08:36:00 set it in the sounds Jan 24 08:36:02 in Sounds & Alerts, set the setting for Ringer Switch On to Sound & Vibrate? Jan 24 09:11:38 ok, can't hold eyes open any longer. Jan 24 09:11:48 hopefully tomorrow will bring with it an updating pre Jan 24 09:14:08 g'night ya'll. Jan 24 09:15:36 g'night! Jan 24 09:16:00 g'night for dBsooner, good morning to all from me ;) Jan 24 09:52:19 aupt get released yet? Jan 24 10:34:48 morning Jan 24 10:35:55 morning Jan 24 10:36:39 did you find testers? Jan 24 10:37:19 at least one, someone from taiwan sent me a message on precentral...but he is offline atm =) Jan 24 10:37:40 did it work? Jan 24 10:38:26 I don't know, sent him all instructions and wating for him to show up again (hopefully he does ;-) ) Jan 24 16:42:06 palm locked down the app catalog, can no longer download mobile hotspot from it Jan 24 16:43:31 lol Jan 24 16:43:33 figured Jan 24 16:43:37 figures Jan 24 16:43:48 didnt take long Jan 24 16:44:04 maybe we can create a "patch" Jan 24 16:44:12 a binary patch Jan 24 16:44:40 maybey we can create an open-source equivalent. Jan 24 16:44:43 of the non-ap firmware against the ap-firmware Jan 24 16:44:47 Rick-home: we need that firmware Jan 24 16:44:53 thats the magic key Jan 24 16:45:03 and we need a way to distribute it Jan 24 16:45:11 but the hotspot app works with freetether, right? Jan 24 16:45:20 just the app.... Jan 24 16:45:47 or is it the mobilehotspotd binary that you're talking about. Jan 24 16:45:59 if that's the magic key, then nevermind I'm being stupid. Jan 24 16:48:18 destinal seemed convinced that he could figure out what the mobilehotspotd was doing. Has he changed his mind? Jan 24 16:48:24 PuffTheMagic_ ? Jan 24 16:49:17 im sure i can figure out what mobilehotspotd is doing too Jan 24 16:49:42 but that new firmware is what add accesspoint capabilities Jan 24 16:50:05 so if we take the base firmware and compare it to the firmware with AP support Jan 24 16:50:09 and make a binary diff Jan 24 16:50:23 then we could copy the stock firmware and apply the diff to the copy Jan 24 16:50:32 and possibly redistribute the fw that way Jan 24 16:50:39 similar to how we get away with patches Jan 24 16:51:38 cool Jan 24 17:03:22 well, THAT's a thought PuffTheMagic_ although reversing it is obviously the better choice. Jan 24 17:04:04 does the hotspot not work anymore? or are people just afraid of the reprocusions? Jan 24 17:04:40 JMyaDaGod the hotspot works fine. Jan 24 17:05:04 The hotspot download update from Palm contains code which links the hotspot to verison only. Jan 24 17:05:20 the older one which was distributed with 1.3.5 works with sprint. Jan 24 17:05:34 oh so what about the reprocusions? Jan 24 17:05:55 Therefore the DISCUSSION is how to arrange for a binary patch for the download to revert it to the older version Jan 24 17:06:00 what repercussions? Jan 24 17:06:07 Rick-home: reverse engineering a closed source binary blob firmware that interacts with a closed source binary blob kernel module is nearly an impossible task (esp for us part-time Pre hackers), it would probably be orders of magnitude easier to get any of the "opensource" verions of the wifi driver working on Pre hardware Jan 24 17:06:24 PuffTheMagic_ understood. Jan 24 17:06:44 PuffTheMagic_ without a leak of some sort. Jan 24 17:06:52 oic....... a lot of people are scared to use it , in fear they will be billed... I have been using it so i guess it doesnt matter to me lol Jan 24 17:06:58 JMyaDaGod what repercussions? Jan 24 17:07:00 lol Jan 24 17:07:04 u cant get billed for it Jan 24 17:07:21 all the traffic looks like normal Pre traffic Jan 24 17:07:43 i mean you will get billed according to your normal carrier data useage contract Jan 24 17:07:54 didnt u u guys look at precentrals comments everyones like ill wait i aint getting billed LMAO Jan 24 17:07:54 Right. Sprint has information that you might be RUNNING the app, if your phone crashes, the fact that it's running will show up on the crash log Palm gets, but that's all. Jan 24 17:08:14 So, assuming we're talking about Sprint, I ask again, What repercussions? Jan 24 17:08:32 JMyaDaGod: people dont know what they are talking about Jan 24 17:08:40 i guess there arent any repercussions........ Jan 24 17:09:36 ((( Note by the way that there -is- one situation in re sprint where you can get billed. If you use Verizon data connections via roaming, you have a 300meg limit before Verizon sends SPRINT a bill which they pass along to you. Jan 24 17:10:00 JMyaDaGod note that this discussion might be different for O2 or other european carriers. Jan 24 17:10:07 older sprint phones used to change your hostname when "tethering" in "phone as modem" mode Jan 24 17:10:12 Rick-home: If your worried about excess costs... None... If your worried about bricking your phone... Not gonna happen. Roaming is an option in a standard menu. Jan 24 17:10:16 which is how Sprint knew how much to bill Jan 24 17:10:28 but i dont believe they do that on the smartphones Jan 24 17:10:46 and that was when using #777 Jan 24 17:10:52 PuffTheMagic_: They kinda do, but you just have to bitch that unlimited means unlimited. Jan 24 17:11:05 the mobile hotspot APP works with freeTether yes Jan 24 17:11:12 do not need any service or binary modifications Jan 24 17:11:25 N3O9Pr: i dont think most people are worried about using 5gb on their hotspot Jan 24 17:11:31 N3O9Pr: that is a whole different issue Jan 24 17:11:47 N3O9Pr Data roaming has been, and will continue to be billed over 300 meg. VOICE roaming is free. -- and I have proof in the form of bills. Jan 24 17:13:25 PuffTheMagic_: Aye... I didn't get anywhere near the limit and they still bitched when I started tethering Jan 24 17:13:41 hmm Jan 24 17:13:52 i've never been contacted about my data usage Jan 24 17:14:03 N3O9Pr I have NO worries about bricking my phone. -- I know how to run the doctor. Jan 24 17:14:19 i've downloaded torrents and movies off usenet over tethering Jan 24 17:14:22 N3O9Pr you have coorespondence from SPRINT regarding excess data usage when not roaming? Jan 24 17:14:26 i havent been contacted Jan 24 17:14:47 N3O9Pr: yeah that sounds like romaing data issue Jan 24 17:14:59 that would be -very- interesting to see, because it would be the absolute FIRST such that I have ever heard of that didn't involve data-roaming Jan 24 17:15:16 Yeah doesn't matter anyway... I just called and they gave me the unlimited data plan for 8 bucks a month Jan 24 17:15:28 Complaining goes a long way Jan 24 17:15:33 N3O9Pr you can't BUY a pre without an unlimited data plan. Jan 24 17:15:42 would the mobile hotspot work on european devices? Jan 24 17:15:51 it should work on all Pre's Jan 24 17:15:53 swisstomcat I see no reason why not. Jan 24 17:16:05 something to try then Jan 24 17:16:21 tethering through the bluetooth pan works Jan 24 17:16:48 swisstomcat be aware tho, the mobile hotspot EATS BATTERY and that unless you have power, or an external batt pack, you will not last long. Jan 24 17:17:05 i can imagine Jan 24 17:17:20 Can someone please explain this poor battery life thing to me? Jan 24 17:17:21 Palm quotes 3 to 3.5 hours. Jan 24 17:17:37 N3O9Pr sure.... Jan 24 17:17:49 Did I just get lucky or something? Jan 24 17:18:18 My phone went all night with wifi and bluetooth on and only droped 15%, running max cards Jan 24 17:18:48 1) big fast processor, 2 GPU chip. 3) Big powerful radio for 3g, 4) big powerful radio for wifi, 5) bright backlight (generally far too bright) for screen. 6 ) Big screen lots of pixels. Jan 24 17:19:06 Yesterday, while trying all day specifically to kill the battery... I got close to 13 hours. Jan 24 17:19:15 N3O9Pr wifi can actually REDUCE your battery use if your wifi signal is strong. Jan 24 17:19:47 and if you're in a place where your 3g signal is ALSO strong, and you're close enough to the tower than the phone can talk to the tower using less than max power, then battery can last a LONG time. Jan 24 17:20:08 OTOH, put the phone inside an RF cage and watch it heat against the walls, and kill its battery fast. Jan 24 17:20:13 Or, run quake. :-) Jan 24 17:20:27 I am assuming the problem with batter life comes from specifially talk time Jan 24 17:20:57 N3O9Pr no, 3g does the same thing. As does wifi if you're far enough away from the router that the pre has to go to max power to reach the router. Jan 24 17:20:57 Because I am not seeing these issues.... In fact... I kinda wish the thing would die so I could finish my break in lol. Jan 24 17:21:21 Why would anyone be using a wifi signal if they weren't close to it? Jan 24 17:21:21 there is no battery breakin for li ion batteries. Jan 24 17:21:31 N3O9Pr people are stupid Jan 24 17:21:46 Rick-home: I agree with you that Li-Ion does not suffer memory... Jan 24 17:22:00 N3O9Pr or, you are in the far reaches of your house, you have NO 3g signal, and the wifi is all there is. Whatcha going to do? Jan 24 17:22:21 Rick-home: But charging circuts are stupid... My battery went 25 minutes at "0%" Jan 24 17:23:34 Rick-home: Every Li-Ion device I have purchased, I have put through a break-in, and it just works better then everyone elses complaint... As well as the one time I had two exact phones, and didn't break in one of them, and suffered. Jan 24 17:24:04 kk Jan 24 17:24:25 well, I'm going to go see if the nice man at the gun show has some cheap 9mm. Be back later. Jan 24 17:24:42 take it easy, gl with yer WAP Jan 24 17:24:44 * swisstomcat wonders what rick-home is up to Jan 24 17:25:54 swisstomcat Rick is looking for some cheap ammo, because shooting his Glock gets a little expensive otherwise. I have been collecting brass, and need to get over to my friends for a reloading session, but don't have time right now. Jan 24 17:26:26 :) Jan 24 17:26:31 updates still not working :( Jan 24 17:26:40 egaudet :( Jan 24 17:26:47 egaudet: I noticed :< Jan 24 17:26:57 is that the "multiple app cat updates" thing, or _all_ updates? Jan 24 17:27:05 OTA Jan 24 17:27:08 webos update Jan 24 17:27:08 Rick-home: Is it a myth that reloads hurt precision guns? Jan 24 17:27:15 I haven't tried app cat updates Jan 24 17:27:43 trying to test AUPT one final time before release but I can't without OTA from 1.3.1 to 1.3.5 Jan 24 17:27:55 N3O9Pr Most professionals -only- shoot hand-loads. Jan 24 17:28:45 N3O9Pr what does "precision guns" mean? Jan 24 17:28:45 Rick-home: Heard, thank.s Jan 24 17:29:10 N3O9Pr see pm Jan 24 17:35:55 egaudet : sorry about not testing it for you my phone made me upgrade that day...... Jan 24 17:36:33 JMyaDaGod, that's OK there were some changes since then anywho :P Jan 24 17:36:39 now if Palm would just fix the updates Jan 24 17:58:45 Not too impressed by Palm's backup stuff. Still a ton of things it doesn't remember/store. Jan 24 18:00:39 tlp: not impressed? sure it could backup more stuff, and they do add more stuff with every update pratically, but does any other smartphone have any sort of backup like this? Jan 24 18:00:55 I have no idea Jan 24 18:01:01 this is the only smart phone I've had :p Jan 24 18:01:18 tlp: i think the answer is no other company has a feature like this Jan 24 18:01:24 i dont get why text messages arent backed up Jan 24 18:01:28 but other than that i love it Jan 24 18:01:29 ok. I'll give them credit for that I guess Jan 24 18:01:44 it forgot a bunch of my mail settings, like Trash -> Archive, not trash. Jan 24 18:02:32 I'm jusit going to start rsyncing the entire thing daily Jan 24 18:02:37 using BackupPC or something Jan 24 18:57:18 Rick-home: do you remember when adhoc support was removed, which webos version Jan 24 18:57:27 we could probably binary diff that out of the firmware too Jan 24 18:57:36 not that anyone would want it if AP mode is available Jan 24 19:00:31 someone should md4sum all of the /lib/firmware/sd8686.bin's from the past webos versions for me Jan 24 19:00:42 so that I can see if my AP bsdiff will apply to them Jan 24 19:06:10 egaudet: "Your phone is up to date." Jan 24 19:14:26 yeah I know Jan 24 19:15:27 i'm doing one last test, then I will email brian. Jan 24 19:15:30 and chuq. Jan 24 19:15:58 i just partial erased again and am signing into my real profile Jan 24 19:18:28 ...This damn thing still isn't dead Jan 24 19:31:04 do you guys use calendar events or task lists Jan 24 19:31:27 k.. emailing now Jan 24 19:31:37 where, firestrider? Jan 24 19:35:28 on the phone or outlook Jan 24 19:36:30 it sounds like the back casing of the phone is cracking everytime I type lol Jan 24 19:36:51 i use calendar events Jan 24 19:38:28 for meetings? Jan 24 19:39:05 I just try to remember things or write it on a piece of paper Jan 24 19:39:51 for like assignments or group meets Jan 24 19:40:23 for taking notes, i use notes Jan 24 19:40:25 but everything else is on a set schedule like classes, work, and it meetings Jan 24 19:40:40 notes/memos Jan 24 19:40:51 yeah, i use the calendar for that Jan 24 19:42:20 but since I already know when/where those events are I don't need a cal :) Jan 24 19:42:30 ~seen zsoc Jan 24 19:42:32 zsoc was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 2h 15m 45s ago, saying: 'egaudet: I noticed :<'. Jan 24 19:42:56 infobot: thanks Jan 24 19:42:56 dtzWill: gern geschehen Jan 24 19:43:00 ~botsnack Jan 24 19:43:00 aw, gee, dtzWill Jan 24 19:43:10 heh, infobot speaking german now Jan 24 19:53:18 egaudet: what was the vi command to remove windows type returns Jan 24 19:53:37 egaudet: Email sent. you re cc'd on it. Jan 24 19:57:10 PuffTheMagic_, :set ff=unix Jan 24 19:57:16 thanks Jan 24 19:59:13 egaudet: I cover it all in the email? Jan 24 19:59:51 sure Jan 24 20:00:16 He said to email him if its still happening today. Jan 24 20:00:43 this stinks, the 2 AFC teams I despise and I don't want to see Favre win. Only 1 possible team to root for left Jan 24 20:01:02 the Vikings won yesterday? Jan 24 20:01:16 or do they play todaY? Jan 24 20:01:20 they play today Jan 24 20:01:22 tonight Jan 24 20:01:32 I really want Favre to win. Jan 24 20:01:36 I'm rooting Saints to win it all, that's the only non evil outcome Jan 24 20:01:37 So he'll finally retire. Jan 24 20:01:38 screw Favre Jan 24 20:01:42 well yea true Jan 24 20:01:50 but he'll somehow find a way to make it about him again next season Jan 24 20:01:57 true. Jan 24 20:12:09 football Jan 24 20:17:00 ~football Jan 24 20:17:01 methinks football is known as "soccer" in most third-world countries. ITALY FOR THE CUP!! Jan 24 20:17:04 xD Jan 24 20:18:04 hehe Jan 24 20:18:20 switzerland is not a third-world country! Jan 24 20:24:35 infobot is obviously mistaken Jan 24 20:25:43 alright I'm gone for a bit, ping me on wirc if you need me Jan 24 20:27:22 infobot: no, football is played with a ball shaped like an ellipsoid Jan 24 20:27:24 PuffTheMagic_: okay Jan 24 20:27:40 ~football Jan 24 20:27:41 it has been said that football is played with a ball shaped like an ellipsoid Jan 24 20:28:27 ~seen dtzWill Jan 24 20:28:29 dtzwill is currently on #webos-internals. Has said a total of 5 messages. Is idling for 11m 25s, last said: 'xD'. Jan 24 20:28:37 zsoc: hey :) Jan 24 20:28:52 dtzWill: hey :) so uh... is the final options cfg going to be hex? Jan 24 20:29:01 because it was driving me nuts before trying to get it to work right with my skin :D Jan 24 20:29:03 zsoc: aboslutely not Jan 24 20:29:25 dtzWill: ah ok... did you get a sec to see the final graphic? Jan 24 20:29:29 dtzWill: have you had time to checkout the GL stuff in evas? Jan 24 20:29:31 zsoc: also i'm gonna fix the x/y and reverse offsets. that was just easier in my code, but since people are supposed to be able to edit it i'll fix that Jan 24 20:29:52 zsoc: but if yuo get it working using existing cfg i'll migrate it for you, i know i promised i wouldn't change the format Jan 24 20:30:25 PuffTheMagic_: I have not. i'll take a look later today, thanks for reminding me :). Jan 24 20:30:27 dtzWill: I sort of gave up, 1.) because I was on my way out, and 2.) because i was doing the edits in vi on my phone and the dec->hex conversions in my head xD Jan 24 20:30:43 PuffTheMagic_: no one's waiting on that right? it would just be super nice if we had it, correct? Jan 24 20:30:56 zsoc: oh bummer. well i hope you un-give up :). give down, as it were. Jan 24 20:31:02 dtzWill: yeah it would be bad ass if it were HW accelerated Jan 24 20:31:22 zsoc: i can ping you when i get a version that is a bit more skin-creator friendly, sound good? Jan 24 20:31:38 zsoc: yes i did see your graphic! looks great Jan 24 20:31:41 PuffTheMagic_: what's the issue with the GL? compatibility? Just GL->ES stuff? Jan 24 20:31:45 zsoc: yep Jan 24 20:31:59 zsoc: issue with GL? Jan 24 20:32:10 oh, that's simple enough... although I will Will wouldn't actually do it right ;) Jan 24 20:32:12 just GL->GLES Jan 24 20:32:15 PuffTheMagic_: the "GL stuff in evas" as you put it Jan 24 20:32:23 zsoc: well Jan 24 20:32:52 zsoc: there is an x11_GL engine, and a sdl_software engine Jan 24 20:32:57 zsoc: and we need a sdl_GLES engine Jan 24 20:33:09 zsoc: so its not exactly as simple as porting the x11_GL to GLES Jan 24 20:33:19 Oh ok :) Well.. just quads->triangle strips and display lists->arrays, unless you want a magical 2.0 compat shader.. and then let Will use his magiks D: Jan 24 20:33:28 PuffTheMagic_: I see, now you have me curious :p Jan 24 20:33:36 zsoc: well if you wanna do it knock yourself out :):) more the merrier. i'm busy for now with vba and was gonna take a look later. Jan 24 20:34:06 zsoc: worst case we meet up and work together :). or not. just saying that if you're curious i don't mean to sit on it for the sake of _me_ doing it....since that's worthless Jan 24 20:34:32 dtzWill: lol, cool down man Jan 24 20:34:44 zsoc: cool down? Jan 24 20:34:51 zsoc: too much with the :)'s ? hahaha Jan 24 20:34:59 * dtzWill puts down the coffee Jan 24 20:35:13 dtzWill: you seem to be going way out of your way to prevent headbutts ;) If anything we're _too_ laid back around here Jan 24 20:36:22 zsoc: no, not a headbutt avoidance. although i'm guilty of that too. really i remember talking to you while doing the vba stuff, and you are probably rather qualified--and admitedly curious. so just trying to not prevent the community advancing on that front just because I haven't gotten around to it yet :) Jan 24 20:36:54 PuffTheMagic_: what package are we looking at? Jan 24 20:37:26 evas Jan 24 20:37:33 src/lib/engines Jan 24 20:37:36 something like that Jan 24 20:37:45 seen ~JayCanuck Jan 24 20:37:54 is it... presently anywhere? widk? Jan 24 20:37:55 zsoc: do u have the e repo cloned? Jan 24 20:38:05 zsoc: forget about widk Jan 24 20:38:08 zsoc: clone the e repo Jan 24 20:38:10 ~seen JayCanuck Jan 24 20:38:11 jaycanuck was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 1d 11h 3m 32s ago, saying: 'some say to install com.palm.app.mobilehotspotupdatepre_1.0.3_all.ipk, others say just the com.palm.app.mobilehotspot_1.0.3_all.ipk'. Jan 24 20:38:38 infobot: thank you Jan 24 20:38:38 Tibfib: no problem Jan 24 20:38:50 zsoc: svn co http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e Jan 24 20:38:53 PuffTheMagic_: ty Jan 24 20:39:09 make any patches against e/truck Jan 24 20:39:21 that way they can go upstream easily Jan 24 20:40:52 zsoc: e/trunk/evas/src/modules/engines Jan 24 20:40:57 is where the engines are Jan 24 20:42:47 zsoc: let me know if I can be any assistance to you, I dont really know my GL/GLES though Jan 24 20:43:25 PuffTheMagic_: my questions would be about everything else :P I don't know much about e in general, let alone how all the little parts fit together. Jan 24 20:44:13 idk how much about e you need to know Jan 24 20:44:59 zsoc: idk what you would really need to know about e Jan 24 20:45:14 I think I know what I need to based on your depiction of the situation earlier... I'll make an assessment shortly :) Jan 24 20:45:38 PuffTheMagic_: so does any of e build right now? Jan 24 20:46:00 zsoc: all of the efl libs build for cross-compile Jan 24 20:46:05 and i can build them for gentoo no prob Jan 24 20:46:29 zsoc: i just use gentoo though for them Jan 24 20:46:35 there are ebuilds for that stuff Jan 24 20:46:38 PuffTheMagic_: Ok, and efl is the "base" of everything else? Jan 24 20:47:08 or the libs necessary for everything e Jan 24 20:47:15 yeah efl "E foundation libraries" Jan 24 21:17:41 we have to be registered to speak now Jan 24 21:17:43 ? Jan 24 21:18:09 firestrider: temporary, just during the spam crisis freenode is dealing with Jan 24 21:19:32 is there an automated installer for novacom for windows 7? Jan 24 21:19:50 or does this still work Jan 24 21:19:51 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Novacom_with_Windows_7 Jan 24 21:24:51 PuffTheMagic_: you having issues with the e servers? Website won't load for me and this clone is _crawling_ Jan 24 21:25:13 i havent need to clone in a while Jan 24 21:29:29 PuffTheMagic_: - is the error clearing state_want and state_flag for pkg=us.ryanhope.freetethered (arch_priority=0 flag=16 want=2) an error ocurred, return value:4 , a space isshue or something else when trying to install freetether ? Jan 24 21:39:43 mumbles: idk what any of those errors mean Jan 24 21:42:14 that makes 2 of us then PuffTheMagic_ Jan 24 21:42:42 zsoc: hows it going there? Jan 24 21:43:41 PuffTheMagic_: heh, i _just_ got everything cloned, poking through it now... this looks like a big job tho Jan 24 21:48:25 PuffTheMagic_: it is the mytetherd_0.0.3_armv7.ipk thats causing the error Jan 24 21:48:33 zsoc: oh yeah Jan 24 21:48:37 you cant have that installed Jan 24 21:48:40 we have to register to speak now? Jan 24 21:48:51 firestrider: yeah its nice isnt it :D Jan 24 21:49:26 keeps saying my original nick is already in use yet all my clients are closed Jan 24 21:49:27 :( Jan 24 21:49:55 ghost it Jan 24 21:50:08 What's that mean :P Jan 24 21:50:31 And webchat.freenode keeps saying invalid session Jan 24 21:50:54 how are u talking now? Jan 24 21:51:34 after fiddling with it for like 30 mins lol Jan 24 21:51:54 Anyways is there an automate installer for novacom on windows 7 or does this stil work : http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Novacom_with_Windows_7 Jan 24 21:52:23 zsoc: there are some GLES comments in the gl_x11 stuff Jan 24 21:52:39 PuffTheMagic_: i'll check it out Jan 24 21:52:58 i managed to get novacom to work with windows 7 Jan 24 21:53:08 PuffTheMagic_: it's possible we can find the dev that was working on it, i'm sure _someone_ _somewhere_ was working on it Jan 24 21:53:23 zsoc: xcomp might know Jan 24 21:55:01 This mobile hotspot is nice Jan 24 21:55:37 there really that many people that dont have a normal internet provider? Jan 24 21:56:00 I do but my mom doesnt lol Jan 24 21:56:33 its nice when i go visit and bring my laptop Jan 24 21:57:45 I guess its nice if you go on a car ride with people with ipod touches too Jan 24 21:57:45 PuffTheMagic_: or if i am at a place that onley has dileup Jan 24 21:58:24 Theres a ton of people on campus who has an ipod touch instead of iphone Jan 24 21:58:34 i didnt realize dialup was still used on planet earth Jan 24 21:59:10 I wonder if tether via usb is faster than via wifi Jan 24 21:59:19 usb is slow as shit Jan 24 21:59:26 i think it only acts like usb1.x Jan 24 21:59:26 PuffTheMagic_: unfortentley i onley seem to get clients that are on dileup Jan 24 22:02:08 I get about 700 kbps with 3G Jan 24 22:02:16 downlink Jan 24 22:02:29 dialup is what 56 kbps ? Jan 24 22:03:57 You need a new phone for LTE and WiMAX right? Jan 24 22:05:55 whops Jan 24 22:06:09 * mumbles hopes his phone will restart Jan 24 22:07:28 yay ! Jan 24 22:08:26 PuffTheMagic_: usb is slower? i get ~1.8MB/s which is more than enough for 3g, no? Jan 24 22:08:38 has anyone seen this error from ipkg? http://webos.pastebin.com/m112e95e5 Jan 24 22:08:41 PuffTheMagic_: or is some other part of the forwarding system that makes usb slower? Jan 24 22:09:56 PuffTheMagic_: It seems like all the GLES ifdefs are EGL related. Jan 24 22:10:16 dtzWill: huh Jan 24 22:10:32 PuffTheMagic_: you said usb was slow as shit and i just wasn't sure what you meant Jan 24 22:10:37 dtzWill: well when i scp over usb it sucks Jan 24 22:10:44 PuffTheMagic_: but what that tells me is, the GL itself might not need to be changed much... assuming there are few (no?) popular devices that use EGL and X11 (maemo maybe?) Jan 24 22:10:45 and its about the same as over bt Jan 24 22:11:01 PuffTheMagic_: dd if=/dev/zero bs=1k count=20k | ssh 192.168.0.202 "cat > /dev/null" Jan 24 22:11:09 1.8MB/s here Jan 24 22:11:17 PuffTheMagic_: zomg faster than bt. although i might have a crappy bt adapater Jan 24 22:12:45 PuffTheMagic_: so we're either changing the EGL stuff to SDL stuff or I'm putting together that proof-of-concept I've been meaning to now for a month (gles example with egl hooks only...) Jan 24 22:13:03 dtzWill: i get 1.8 also Jan 24 22:13:15 zsoc: is there a reason to not just use sdl? does raw egl get something we don't have? (multiple cards/process maybe?) Jan 24 22:13:22 zsoc: yeah but it still has to get into sdl form too Jan 24 22:13:29 all the GL stuff i see is X related Jan 24 22:13:34 dtzWill: in, this case, it would only save us time Jan 24 22:14:04 zsoc: oh okay. i'll be quiet and let you work, hehe Jan 24 22:14:09 can someone try and install freetether for me? Jan 24 22:15:41 dtzWill: there's a lot of egl functionality i would have no clue where to start mimicing in sdl :( Jan 24 22:15:57 PuffTheMagic_: i'm stupid, trying it again from /dev/urandom makes it slower. not sure if that's significant, but still 1.1MB/s. not to drive this into the ground, but for completeness' sake Jan 24 22:16:07 zsoc: :( like what? Jan 24 22:16:39 zsoc: i mean they do have the sdl_Software stuff, is that too .. messy/abstracted/different to be useful? Jan 24 22:17:51 zsoc: i'm sincerely asking, i have no idea :) Jan 24 22:18:26 dtzWill: like puff said, it's gl_x11 and software_sdl, there's no gles_sdl :P We (er, you :P) could mimic the gl_x11 functionality using the software_sdl as a base, but we're not just throwing up a rectangle here and drawing some textures :p Jan 24 22:19:07 dtzWill: I really feel the only solution that wouldn't be a gigantic undertaking would be utilizing the same functions/headers in the existing GL stuff Jan 24 22:19:28 zsoc: absolutely understood. i'm not saying it's trivial. and yeah i know there's no gles_sdl. was just hoping it would be easier than that :P Jan 24 22:19:36 zsoc: _hoping_ . but anyway sounds like it's not :( Jan 24 22:19:57 even though webOS uses web-based programming most of the applications are stored and processed client side, right? Jan 24 22:20:20 yes Jan 24 22:20:24 in a truly cloud based model how much can be processed/stored on the server? Jan 24 22:20:37 you can get and store data in the cloud Jan 24 22:20:37 PuffTheMagic_: Er, to your understanding, these are engine _options_? In otherwords, If one was to use software_sdl vs gl_x11, it would just be slower? (obviously not hw accelerated), or would it be lacking many features etc? Jan 24 22:20:45 Do all ui interactions HAVE to be client side? Jan 24 22:20:54 ajax ftw Jan 24 22:20:57 e.g ajax calls to api's Jan 24 22:21:22 ajax calls to external sources (e.g webservices) Jan 24 22:24:26 can you have an application that all background calculations and UI are processed on the server and just "painted" for the client? Jan 24 22:25:14 probably possible Jan 24 22:25:24 have an app idea? Jan 24 22:26:13 No, I just want to know how thin a client can actually be with cloud computing Jan 24 22:26:54 As far as I know OpenGL 3D games have to be client-side Jan 24 22:27:05 i've heard of 3d games that run on the server and send the pics to the client Jan 24 22:27:17 onlive Jan 24 22:29:15 when sending just pics or compressed video feeds, is there no processing done on the client or is there TCP overhead and some done processing done by the display adapter? Jan 24 22:30:28 there's probably some overhead to display the images Jan 24 22:30:34 i imagine they have to be compressed Jan 24 22:31:54 Hmm 1.5 Mbps network required for SDTV resolution Jan 24 22:31:58 with onlive Jan 24 22:34:26 egaudet: thi ssucks Jan 24 22:34:32 im guessing youtube is not processed on the server since you need a decent GPU to watch 1080p without dropped frames Jan 24 22:35:03 Google should just buy onlive :P Jan 24 22:40:03 dBsooner: stll not fixed? Jan 24 22:40:20 egaudet-wirc: nope. Brian said he forwarded the email on a couple hours aog. Jan 24 22:40:40 tomorrow Jan 24 22:40:44 I wonder if they keep track of the devices that update now? Jan 24 22:40:51 and deny ones that have already updated. Jan 24 22:41:08 Yeah, I hope for their sake it does work tomorrow. Jan 24 22:41:16 VZW launches in 8 hours. Jan 24 22:41:42 ithat wouldn't make sense Jan 24 22:42:31 Well it was an idea. Jan 24 22:42:44 dtzWill: most of the gl_common stuff is seemingly gles friendly Jan 24 22:43:26 dtzWill: and attribute pointers are only used in programmable shaders right? Jan 24 22:43:42 I don't understand why we don't just ask raster, I'm sure he's 1000% sure of the compatibility of these libs Jan 24 22:43:45 PuffTheMagic_: have looked about and still have no idea why i cant install freetether :( Jan 24 22:44:58 Man I wish Verizon FiOS was in my area... 25Mbps down / 25Mbps up for $70 Jan 24 22:46:43 firestrider: i should have 50Mbps down Jan 24 22:47:02 i have http://www.speedtest.net/result/693569288.png at the moment Jan 24 22:47:04 50 Mbps down is 140$ a month Jan 24 22:47:07 right? Jan 24 22:47:35 oh on verizon Jan 24 22:48:02 firestrider: nah virgin media in the uk Jan 24 22:48:26 I have 15/2 for $65/month Jan 24 22:49:02 i think we are paying £30 Jan 24 22:50:11 wow. thats an awesome deal Jan 24 22:50:20 US sucks for ISPS Jan 24 22:50:48 it was an upgrade from 25mbps as well Jan 24 22:51:08 I have 15/2 for 65/mo as well Jan 24 22:51:19 but I only pay 15/mo Jan 24 22:51:37 and get burst downloads of up to 40 and uploads of up to 5 Jan 24 22:51:45 roadrunner turbo? Jan 24 22:51:54 cox premiere Jan 24 22:51:59 ah. Jan 24 22:52:02 firestrider: i had roadrunner turbo for a while Jan 24 22:52:09 didnt think it was worth it Jan 24 22:52:35 the amount of time where i could actually download something faster than 10mbit was pretty rare Jan 24 22:52:37 cox is testinga 50/5 Jan 24 22:52:46 I can't wait till it gets to my area Jan 24 22:53:01 I never go slower than 15mbit down Jan 24 22:53:08 never Jan 24 22:53:22 Is that fiber optic or coaxial copper, dbsooner? Jan 24 22:53:24 2.25MB/s is the usual speed of my downloads. Jan 24 22:53:28 Coaxial copper. Jan 24 22:53:33 DOCSIS 2.0 Jan 24 22:53:41 DOCSIS 3.0 will be the 50/5 speeds. Jan 24 22:54:24 It's coaxial copper back to the Fiber Nodes.. and a Fiber Node serves about 500 modems max. Jan 24 22:55:00 And then the CMTS where the Fiber node talks back to does load balancing, so it's not like it always has 500 modems sitting on it. Jan 24 22:55:49 500 homes would be a HUGE node and would probably be split. It's more likely you would only have 200 to 300 modems on a node. Jan 24 22:56:24 my old place, i would routinely get 3MB/s Jan 24 22:56:41 now i rarely pull over 2MB/s unless its 3am Jan 24 22:56:42 i think ours is fiber to cabnet the coax to house Jan 24 22:57:03 but comcast is 250gb/mo cap Jan 24 22:57:07 does cox have a cap? Jan 24 23:04:20 I would never hit that 250gb/mo cap Jan 24 23:04:39 last month our download was 37.56 GB Jan 24 23:05:53 time for bed Jan 24 23:05:57 http://hadm.net/vnstat/ Jan 24 23:06:06 just started logging Jan 24 23:06:13 bye everyone Jan 24 23:07:23 Wow :D Jan 24 23:08:13 So... there's been an hour long conversation involving lolcats in #e, why can't we do stuff like that here? We're so dorky :( Jan 24 23:18:09 zsoc: haha not only aren't we takling about lolcats but it's completely dead xD Jan 24 23:18:30 dtzWill: indeed :/ Jan 24 23:18:43 dtzWill: you map my graphic yet? i want to play :D Jan 24 23:19:00 too many football fans? Jan 24 23:19:19 *american football for GSMers :P Jan 24 23:19:19 zsoc: haha relax! i'm working on the skin support stuff Jan 24 23:19:54 zsoc: not to push the work on to you, but i was kinda hoping you'd map it. not b/c i'm lazy (although i HAVE mapped 2-3 skins so far between you and vincentlaw), but because I'd like _someone_ to at least try this skin support stuff before i push it Jan 24 23:19:57 dtzWill: just teasin' bro, that's why i'm chillin'. No reason to work the hex magic if you're reworking it anyway ;) Jan 24 23:20:19 dtzWill: oh, ok. i'll go finish it then, hex conversion is no big deal Jan 24 23:20:20 zsoc: understood. between hex and backwards and offset x/y coords it wasn't the prettiest. Jan 24 23:20:49 zsoc: well hold up, unless you're itching i was hoping to get _proper_ skin support first. so you don't hate your life with hex and weird coords Jan 24 23:21:20 dtzWill: oh ok... let me know when it's done. i will _succinctly_ make sure it works, and then you can push a binary ;) Jan 24 23:21:41 and i'll apologize to CoolMatty for stealing his thunder :> Jan 24 23:22:36 zsoc: well proper skin support means there's a skins folder and you can toggle between the skins Jan 24 23:22:44 zsoc: meaning i was going to ship with both. Jan 24 23:23:21 dtzWill: of course. i'm sorry, i guess it isn't clear i pretty much am always joking if there's a smiley face of any sort in my statement Jan 24 23:23:25 except :( Jan 24 23:23:26 xD Jan 24 23:23:37 zsoc: hahaha. sounds good Jan 24 23:23:58 zsoc: aww saw smiley not wink. that clarifies. reading ftl Jan 24 23:26:53 I will not argue the majority of my statements are ambiguous at best Jan 24 23:26:57 skins for what? Jan 24 23:26:58 vba? Jan 24 23:29:11 PuffTheMagic_: heh, yeah Jan 24 23:31:32 what is there to skin? Jan 24 23:33:09 PuffTheMagic_: touch screen controls mostly. everyone has an idea for what would be good, etc. so just writing some code to look for various 'skin' folders and read it from a config. where the screen is, position, buttons and their positions, etc Jan 24 23:33:19 PuffTheMagic_: by mostly i mean that's exactly what i'm doing. :) Jan 24 23:35:25 is there room on the screen for a dpad? Jan 24 23:35:30 a "usable" dpad? Jan 24 23:35:37 PuffTheMagic_: sure. see the latest build in preware Jan 24 23:35:58 egaudet-wirc Jan 24 23:36:01 egaudet Jan 24 23:36:07 egaudet-wirc: ping ping ping ping ping ping Jan 24 23:36:16 egaudet: ping ping ping ping Jan 24 23:36:25 PuffTheMagic_: while i'm not normaly a big fan of skins, this lets me stop worrying and responding to everyones usability ideas/complaints/suggestions/etc and gives THEM the tools. since i'm neither super interested or skilled at such things, seems by far the way to go Jan 24 23:36:39 If I had egaudet or egaudet-wirc's phone number I would calling him too Jan 24 23:37:16 hi? Jan 24 23:37:56 1.3.5.1 Jan 24 23:37:56 1.3.5.1 Jan 24 23:37:57 1.3.5.1 Jan 24 23:38:07 "Download Now" Jan 24 23:38:13 ^^ downloading now Jan 24 23:38:17 dtzWill: you dont have to defend skins now that i know there are on screen controls Jan 24 23:38:29 dtzWill: i just cant picture how a dpad would work Jan 24 23:38:47 PuffTheMagic_: heh. well yeah but i never thought i'd write a skinnable app haha. :):). always first for everything Jan 24 23:39:08 PuffTheMagic_: it's decently playable. it's drawn as a dpad but really it's more like a joystick so diagonals are easy Jan 24 23:39:37 egaudet-wirc: You? Jan 24 23:41:11 I'm not home Jan 24 23:41:23 I'll update later tonight Jan 24 23:41:35 good it's fixed tho Jan 24 23:41:44 dtzWill: got a screenshot? Jan 24 23:42:03 egaudet-wirc: Blah. I'll do it now Jan 24 23:42:29 k let me know how it goes Jan 24 23:42:32 will do Jan 24 23:42:42 * dBsooner gets another pat on the back for harking on Palm. Jan 24 23:42:43 :D Jan 24 23:42:52 PuffTheMagic_: no, b/c it's rendered with gles. someone took a picture with pocketsnes working, gives you the idea: http://i50.tinypic.com/2pt3tko.jpg Jan 24 23:43:39 PuffTheMagic_: screen is small there, but there are a number of reasons for that--mostly to give room for reasonable control. native gba res though so not TOO tiny, but that's one of the things i'm hoping skin support gives people to play with Jan 24 23:47:43 egaudet-wirc: what time does Minn and NO play? Jan 24 23:48:57 now Jan 25 00:12:55 PuffTheMagic_: also that screenshot is the one that _doesn't_ use my artwork ;) Jan 25 00:16:26 zsoc: oooooo we can make skins ipks :P Jan 25 00:16:42 zsoc: although i'm not sure i want to start packaging them all up haha Jan 25 00:16:53 zsoc: or clutter preware for that matter. but it's a fun thought Jan 25 00:21:04 dtzWill: indeed :> Jan 25 00:25:13 zsoc: although i do like the idea of facilitating skin distribution. is having skin creators distributing their skin folder, and people throwing that in /vba/skins too much to ask? is there a better solution? Jan 25 00:25:38 zsoc: also i should have you an updated binary and an example skin shortly Jan 25 00:25:48 dtzWill: i think you've implemented more features in this application in a month than most applications ever have implemented :P Jan 25 00:37:50 FuMan is at Adams Jan 25 00:38:34 FuMan works in Adams. Jan 25 00:38:39 Ahhh Jan 25 00:38:42 Subway? Jan 25 00:38:50 Adams? Jan 25 00:38:50 ip addresses certainly leave no mysteries Jan 25 00:38:50 Burger King? Jan 25 00:38:57 hehe, not THAT adams Jan 25 00:39:06 oh Jan 25 00:39:07 Price College of Business, Adams Hall. Jan 25 00:39:08 i see Jan 25 00:39:09 PuffTheMagic_: Adams hall @ Oklahoma Jan 25 00:39:15 Ohhh Jan 25 00:39:17 not the dorm Jan 25 00:39:18 Not the dorms. Jan 25 00:39:20 lol Jan 25 00:39:23 * PuffTheMagic_ realized once i saw the dns Jan 25 00:39:29 and shit, when was there ever a subway there? Jan 25 00:39:38 There used to be a long time ago Jan 25 00:39:40 I think is BK now Jan 25 00:40:38 egaudet-wirc: 1.3.5.1 is at 50% of the first install screen Jan 25 00:41:07 yeah, its been BK last 5 years or so at least Jan 25 00:44:08 whats in the commons building just to the north of that? Jan 25 00:49:29 commons building? Jan 25 00:58:00 Hello Jan 25 00:58:26 zsoc: I managed to get GarnetVM displaying on the pre. Jan 25 00:58:44 zonyl: cool :) Jan 25 00:59:00 zsoc: Makes the phone _really_ hot. Jan 25 00:59:55 zsoc: Of interest, it would appear the screen on the n900 is 180degrees from the pre (portait mode) Jan 25 01:00:02 zonyl: but how many garnet apps are there? 25k? Jan 25 01:00:55 zsoc: Heh, just a few. Input doesnt work yet, but I havent dug into it a whole lot. Jan 25 01:01:08 still sounds cool Jan 25 01:02:00 I had to figure out the sdl / luna IPC in order to get it to work from chroot Jan 25 01:02:49 When I run it, I get an empty X11 window in icewm and a new card with the PalmOS displayed Jan 25 01:03:39 nifty Jan 25 01:05:03 does any one know of any other alternate OS projects in the works other then the Openmoko driven project? Jan 25 01:05:12 for the pre that is? Jan 25 01:05:27 i'm pretty certain that's the only one Jan 25 01:06:41 zsoc, thanks dude Jan 25 01:07:16 egaudet-wirc: so I do the migration thing now? Jan 25 01:16:05 weird, Kaspersky blocked the topic for this channel Jan 25 01:17:43 egaudet-wirc: WHen I installed The EMH, it rebooted Luna which caused it to "update system".. is tha tnormal? Jan 25 01:17:57 yea Jan 25 01:18:19 just a quick question for you ! ... anybody here had toruble with preware after a webosdoctor ?? .. i run webosdoctor .. and when i reboot the pre .. i'm stuck witk preware (already) on the device ! ... i dont seem to be able to get rid of it ! .. Jan 25 01:19:02 dBsooner: yes Jan 25 01:19:08 and it'S borken since i get "cannot call method 'split' of undefined" if i want to run it Jan 25 01:19:09 RainMan: because 1.3.5 doctor doesn't remove anything from /media Jan 25 01:19:12 verizon release in 4 hours o.O Jan 25 01:19:15 you have to "Full erase" Jan 25 01:19:24 before you doctor Jan 25 01:19:25 dBsooner tryed that too Jan 25 01:19:26 or after Jan 25 01:19:27 the helper 'fixes' things so luna can migrate them Jan 25 01:19:29 No you didn't. Jan 25 01:19:40 but i will root it and do it manually Jan 25 01:19:40 If you full erased, it wouldn't be there. Period. Jan 25 01:19:43 yes i did Jan 25 01:19:53 i've done full erase 1 time .. and partal erase 1 time too Jan 25 01:20:02 Partial erase won't remove it. Jan 25 01:20:16 FULL ERASE then Doctor, it will be gone. Jan 25 01:20:17 *20:20:06* i've done full erase 1 time .. and partal erase 1 time too Jan 25 01:20:17 I promise. Jan 25 01:20:27 Dude, I have done this about a billion times. Jan 25 01:20:32 and egaudet a trillion. Jan 25 01:20:45 and you'Ve got "cannot call method 'split' of undefined" .. how many tme ? Jan 25 01:20:47 rawr? Jan 25 01:21:08 I told you how to get rid of it. Jan 25 01:21:13 RainMan: how did you install preware? Jan 25 01:21:30 reinstall via preware-bootstrap Jan 25 01:21:44 ok egaudet-wirc: here we go Jan 25 01:21:48 i'Ve done nothing .. a few day ago i have upgrader webos .. and all my pre was weird .. and i'Ve reinstalled it today Jan 25 01:22:11 lol damn ... i was like " i will install preware via Quickinstall" for the first time Jan 25 01:22:23 lol i will do it like usual then ! Jan 25 01:22:46 thx at least i will go clean /media manualy Jan 25 01:23:13 egaudet-wirc: patch and lsdiff didnt' migrate to /media/cryptofs/apps Jan 25 01:23:35 I know Jan 25 01:23:38 ok Jan 25 01:23:49 so just modify to the 1.3.5 testing feed Jan 25 01:23:53 and then update all? Jan 25 01:24:20 sweet, I am already in the testing feed. Jan 25 01:24:25 so just update all? Jan 25 01:24:38 dBsooner: you testing aupt? :D Jan 25 01:24:39 yea Jan 25 01:24:45 zsoc: unfortunately. Jan 25 01:24:51 I love all these "patch requests" to extend the Pre's RAM Jan 25 01:24:52 dBsooner: oh cmon, it's fun ;) Jan 25 01:25:06 139 patches Jan 25 01:25:07 That likes, can someone make a patch to make my screen bigger? Jan 25 01:25:11 you think it will be done by the time the game is over? Jan 25 01:25:19 urnot in testing feedd Jan 25 01:25:20 you have to reinstall ipkgservice after update Jan 25 01:25:21 I'm heading home now Jan 25 01:25:32 boo Jan 25 01:29:21 aww there we go. Jan 25 01:29:29 * dBsooner hugs my preware-bootstrap script Jan 25 01:34:23 dBsooner knows he wants to work on a vibrate patch :p Jan 25 01:34:25 destrudo: ping Jan 25 01:42:34 i think i pulled my ass muscle 2 few weeks ago sledding Jan 25 01:57:04 destinal isnt here? weird Jan 25 02:07:03 destinal hasn't been in 2 days Jan 25 02:07:08 ~seen destinal Jan 25 02:07:11 destinal was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 1d 17h 54m 36s ago, saying: 'hmm'. Jan 25 02:07:18 hmm Jan 25 02:13:38 hmm Jan 25 02:15:42 dBsooner: In the vibrate service, one of the values you can input is length then period. What is period? Jan 25 02:16:19 I dunno. two separate values? Jan 25 02:17:13 we need morse vibration. dot dot or dash dash or dot dash dot etc Jan 25 02:17:32 lol Jan 25 02:18:18 * dBsooner strongly recommends no one have 139 patches installed. Jan 25 02:18:28 Update All takes an eternity. Jan 25 02:19:24 lol Jan 25 02:24:54 egaudet-wirc: Update All failed Jan 25 02:27:34 org.webosinternal.patches.messaging-iphone-style-no-avatar postinst failed, 1 of 1 hunk. Jan 25 02:27:42 I think it's an incompatibility of two patches Jan 25 02:32:49 egaudet-wirc: yep.. incompatible patches. messaging-iphone-style was already updated. Jan 25 02:33:17 egaudet-wirc: then messaging-iphone-style-no-avatar tried to install. they touch the same area. Jan 25 02:33:51 egaudet-wirc: so I am manually removing iphone-style-no-avatar and continuing Jan 25 02:36:11 egaudet-wirc: is there any way to have it report what package fails without having to scroll ALL the way to the bottom of the ipkg log? Jan 25 02:37:58 no Jan 25 02:39:04 WHY DO I PLAY BAD FLASH GAMES FOR HOURS Jan 25 02:40:52 ugh whenever i use my old 1g ipod touch it angers me how smooth the UI is compared to pre D: Jan 25 02:40:58 *grumbles* Jan 25 02:42:31 timepants: software compositing. Jan 25 02:43:31 egaudet-wirc: not the answer i wanted. Jan 25 02:43:34 yase, its effective as hell Jan 25 02:44:00 timepants: no, that's what's going on on your pre, software compositing. That's why it's slow. Jan 25 02:44:41 oh, yeah Jan 25 02:44:59 but i don't think there's any graphics chip in the ipod either Jan 25 02:45:13 i know the newer ones have it, but this thing is ancient Jan 25 02:45:32 timepants: many compositing layers refuse to function without hardware acceleration (see: windows aero and compiz) Jan 25 02:45:36 zsoc you have a google search for "bad flash games" as your homepage. Change that it it will improve your life... Jan 25 02:46:05 Rick-home: I remember for a time Kongregate was actually my home page. bad news. Jan 25 02:46:12 88 patches down.. Jan 25 02:46:14 50 more to go Jan 25 02:46:23 it's been going just under an hour Jan 25 02:46:35 well, more like 45 minutes Jan 25 02:46:43 because I had to pause to find the incompatible patches Jan 25 02:47:35 :) Jan 25 02:47:43 35 more yards.. Jan 25 02:47:44 come on Vikesa. Jan 25 02:48:07 there is half of it! Jan 25 02:48:33 field goal racge Jan 25 02:48:35 range* Jan 25 02:48:41 sorry Saints. Jan 25 02:50:48 come on Vikes! just a couple more yards.. Jan 25 02:50:49 sheesh Jan 25 02:52:45 damnit Favre! Jan 25 02:54:37 I agree Jan 25 02:55:23 dBsooner: webos-patches.log Jan 25 02:56:15 egaudet-wirc: i know.. am just thinking for AM's Jan 25 02:56:21 epitome of favre Jan 25 02:56:22 I just tail the log Jan 25 02:56:40 don't care about AM Jan 25 02:58:17 preware needs to remove patch from list when install part of update fails Jan 25 02:59:48 yeah Jan 25 02:59:53 that's what it should do **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jan 25 02:59:56 2010