is the convention Jan 26 22:32:05 <sui> zsoc|around: just tell me where to grep :) Jan 26 22:32:15 <prelogic> @sui are you using a flashed pre Jan 26 22:32:20 <jacques> zsoc|around: what are you running on your wrt160nl ? Jan 26 22:32:25 <zsoc|around> sui: you can try: ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps remove org.webosinternals.patches.app-launcher-hide-music-player Jan 26 22:32:54 <zsoc|around> jacques: i don't have one yet :( historically my tinkering has been with ddwrt, but of course i would be poking at openwrt if i ever move forward with new hardware :) Jan 26 22:33:24 <jacques> zsoc|around: OK, I got one a while back, got serial on it, but haven't had time to do much else - was planning on running openwrt Jan 26 22:33:47 <jacques> my only complaint so far is the too-bright blue LEDS :-) Jan 26 22:34:10 <sui> zsoc|around: yes, "org.webosinternals.patches.app-launcher-hide-music-player" i read i the script which has to be executed Jan 26 22:34:32 <sui> prelogic: what do you mean with "flashed"? Jan 26 22:34:45 <prelogic> your pre...is it GSM or CDMA? Jan 26 22:35:11 <zsoc|around> sui: nah, should be good now Jan 26 22:35:33 <sui> prelogic: GSM Jan 26 22:35:55 <prelogic> sui ok nevermind i was thinking you were using a CDMA pre Jan 26 22:36:03 <sui> zsoc|around: No packages removed . Nothing to be done Jan 26 22:36:32 <zsoc|around> sui: are you on 1352? Jan 26 22:36:38 <sui> zsoc|around: yes Jan 26 22:37:25 <sui> zsoc|around: i typed the command as you did: "ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps remove org.webosinternals..." Jan 26 22:37:35 <egaudet_work> ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps list_installed |grep patches Jan 26 22:38:50 <zsoc|around> egaudet_work: how about find /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/ | grep music ? :) Jan 26 22:39:30 <sui> egaudet_work / zsoc|around: http://nopaste.php-quake.net/268949 Jan 26 22:40:08 <zsoc|around> sui: ah, org.webosinternals.patches.app-launcher-hide-musicplayer-app :) Jan 26 22:40:19 <zsoc|around> same command, just with that foo instead of the prior Jan 26 22:41:18 <sui> (offline root mode: not running org.webosinternals.patches.app-launcher-hide-musicplayer-app.prerm) Jan 26 22:41:34 <zsoc|around> sui: yah, now you're good Jan 26 22:43:16 <sui> :) and this has one good side effect. it's nice to learn some internals this way Jan 26 22:44:15 <sui> ipkg has some uncommon syntax for me Jan 26 22:44:34 <sui> have to get some information about this Jan 26 22:45:00 <sui> and yes. the patch disappeared Jan 26 22:46:33 <sui> and now i try the next exprience... install icq-messaging-plugin Jan 26 22:47:26 <keith> people still use icq? Jan 26 22:47:57 <sui> in germany they do. i like to get them to jabber but no chance Jan 26 22:51:10 <Epix> I used MetaDoctor to bypass the cell activation, but when I ran the first use program it didn't give me the option of creating a palm profile. So how do I create one? Jan 26 22:56:00 <zsoc|around> Epix: you can't eat your cake and have it too Jan 26 22:56:31 <jacques> zsoc|around: I love that you actually said that quote right Jan 26 22:56:39 <zsoc|around> jacques: xD Jan 26 22:56:44 <Epix> oh really? so I can't create one? Jan 26 22:57:40 <zsoc|around> Epix: i'm not sure why you're avoiding cell activation, but it facilitates profile creation iirc, that's why people ask other people to make them profiles :) Jan 26 22:57:46 <egaudet_work> I disagree Jan 26 22:57:53 <egaudet_work> he said it backwards :P Jan 26 22:58:05 <egaudet_work> Epix: I thought you could create one just fine with first use app? Jan 26 22:58:27 <zsoc|around> egaudet_work: nope, look it up :) that's the point of the quote. of course you can HAVE your cake and THEN eat it. But once you eat it, you can no longer have it, hence the proper (and original) usage. Jan 26 22:59:44 <jacques> it's a pet peeve of mine, along with "could care less" Jan 26 22:59:52 <Epix> zsoc|around: the reason im bypassing it is because i have a cdma pre, but don't use it as an actual phone. I'm only using it development. But I have never been able to access the app catalog so I thought that might be because I don't have a palm profile Jan 26 23:00:26 <zsoc|around> Epix: that assumption is correct :) you must have another individual make you a profile. Jan 26 23:00:28 <Epix> egaudet_work: Not for me. it only let me let the language and that's it Jan 26 23:01:53 <Epix> zsoc|around: how can I find someone to do that? And how do I set it on my phone if I can find someone who can do that? Jan 26 23:02:19 <zsoc|around> er.. rick probably knows? Jan 26 23:02:38 <egaudet_work> the word AND does not indicate order of time zsoc|around ;) Jan 26 23:02:38 <zsoc|around> anyone here know any egl? Jan 26 23:03:03 <egaudet_work> and is commutative Jan 26 23:03:15 <egaudet_work> so therefore Jan 26 23:03:17 <zsoc|away> egaudet_work: maybe, but it's still wrong ;) Jan 26 23:03:18 <Epix> zsoc|around: okay thanks Jan 26 23:03:27 <egaudet_work> have your cake and eat it too = eat your cake and have it too Jan 26 23:03:41 <JayCanuck> hi all Jan 26 23:03:44 <egaudet_work> it's the same thing, you CANNOT have it... AND eat it. Just as you CANNOT eat it... AND have it Jan 26 23:03:57 <egaudet_work> but anyway, I agree with jacques with could care less.... I hate that! Jan 26 23:04:17 <lingfish> Heya. Jan 26 23:04:26 <egaudet_work> Epix: first use app does not ask you for language I don't think Jan 26 23:04:39 <egaudet_work> when you run it from your app launcher should just bring you to create/login to profile Jan 26 23:05:15 <lingfish> A quick one (as AutoCorrect Edit can't be installed via Preware)... Jan 26 23:05:37 <lingfish> Is it the same mount -o rw / in 1.3.5.x? I notice that there are two mountpoints for / Jan 26 23:06:03 <Epix> egaudet_work: On my phone it asked which language I want. (english or french because i have the canadian bell phone) and that was it. Jan 26 23:15:19 <sui> hu... it's 00:15. time to go to bed. gn8 Jan 26 23:19:38 <rwhitby> infobot: jasons-mobile-hotspot is http://forums.precentral.net/2179768-post442.html Jan 26 23:19:39 <infobot> rwhitby: okay Jan 26 23:26:46 <lingfish> Heya Rod Jan 26 23:27:15 <lingfish> Rod: 10:05 < lingfish> Is it the same mount -o rw / in 1.3.5.x? I notice that there are two mountpoints for / Jan 26 23:27:32 <lingfish> My / is rw, but /dev/mapper/store-root isn't Jan 26 23:27:45 <rwhitby> lingfish: no idea Jan 26 23:27:47 <lingfish> and I'm just trying to hand-hack text-edit-autoreplace Jan 26 23:28:03 <lingfish> Worked fine last night, but I think a reboot reverted mount options Jan 26 23:28:44 <lingfish> hrm. Jan 26 23:28:55 <lingfish> You've not come across this with all the Preware work? Jan 26 23:29:42 * rwhitby bbl (maybe on shinkansen) Jan 26 23:34:38 <acydlord> reboot mounts back to the fstab Jan 26 23:34:50 <acydlord> so it will revert any manual mount options Jan 26 23:35:38 <acydlord> and i think /dev/mapper/store-root has something to do with the cryptofs Jan 26 23:39:43 <lingfish> acydlord: yeah... it was the /dev/mapper/store-root mountpoint that needed remoutning for rw Jan 26 23:39:52 <lingfish> But I had never done that by hand.. must have been Preware or something.... Jan 26 23:40:19 <lingfish> I don't think it's due to cryptofs.. it's just a LVM thing Jan 26 23:40:40 <lingfish> Do you know if a luna restart is the same as a orange-sym-R? Jan 26 23:41:02 <acydlord> orange-sym-r is a soft reboot Jan 26 23:41:10 <acydlord> luna just restarts the wm Jan 26 23:41:45 <lingfish> It seems to essentially do the same thing, and take the same amount of time... Jan 26 23:45:00 <acydlord> ive noticed on mine that a luna restart is about 5 seconds faster than sym-orange-r Jan 26 23:45:03 <RainMan> someone have a few min to help me .. i'm stuck with dropbear .. i can'T get the rsa auth ... i'm always stuck to "server refused our key" .. i'Ve tryed . puttygen, dropbearkey ,, rsa and dsa ... Jan 26 23:46:29 <acydlord> did you do this? http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Dropbear Jan 26 23:47:30 <RainMan> yup i have done all the different "method" on webos internal and pre... Jan 26 23:47:51 <RainMan> i'm thinking to get rid of dropbear and put openssh ... i h8 dropbear since the "new" install =o( Jan 26 23:48:22 <acydlord> yeah, i dont like the automated dropbear install, i miss the old method Jan 26 23:48:38 <acydlord> so running dropbearkey on the pre in terminal didnt work? Jan 26 23:49:06 <RainMan> i'Ve nto done it in "terminal" but in putty+novaproxy Jan 26 23:49:35 <RainMan> shoud do the same since i'm root anyway Jan 26 23:50:18 <acydlord> putty doesnt always pass commands correctly, try in terminal and see if it gives you any different results Jan 26 23:50:42 <acydlord> of course i prefer openssh since dropbear doesnt easily tunnel authenticated sessions Jan 26 23:52:10 <RainMan> yup well the only reason i want to run dropbear is bcause of the overhead of openssh =o/ Jan 26 23:52:22 <RainMan> rigth now i'm a 16% drop per hour Jan 26 23:52:52 <acydlord> i just kill the service when i dont need it and run it again when i do need it Jan 26 23:55:31 <RainMan> how do i put the id_rsa key in putty Jan 26 23:55:59 <Rick_work> RainMan you mean how to put it intot he phone? Jan 26 23:56:16 <RainMan> no .. i'Ve put all the file on the webos ! Jan 26 23:56:24 <RainMan> it'S when i try to connect via putty Jan 26 23:57:34 <RainMan> if i try to regenetare a .ppk file of the id_rsa private key .. putty and puttygen tell me that it's not a "private key" lol Jan 27 00:00:08 <acydlord> putty should be looking for the public key, no? Jan 27 00:00:50 <RainMan> if i'm right .. the public key is hosted in the webos device.. and the private key should be on the client side Jan 27 00:03:39 <rwong> yep Jan 27 00:04:55 * sportman waves Jan 27 00:08:45 <oc80z> whats good Jan 27 00:11:06 * sportman waves Jan 27 00:11:53 <sportman> is there way to do a week view for the calendar? Jan 27 00:14:58 <bpadalino> one of the little buttons on the bottom in your day/month view ? Jan 27 00:15:09 <sportman> nothing for a week Jan 27 00:15:09 <sportman> :/ Jan 27 00:16:05 <bpadalino> don't be silly .. it's the middle button when you're in a day or month view on the calendar Jan 27 00:17:35 * sportman looks again Jan 27 00:18:54 <bpadalino> did you find it ? Jan 27 00:19:25 * jacques did Jan 27 00:19:38 <sportman> bpadalino yes i did Jan 27 00:19:41 <bpadalino> yay Jan 27 00:19:49 <sportman> i meant, i wish there was a view like the first one Jan 27 00:19:52 <sportman> but for the whole week Jan 27 00:20:19 <sportman> *by the first one i mean the day view Jan 27 00:20:24 <sportman> basically it just lists upcoming things Jan 27 00:20:25 <Tibfib> sportman: swipe left or right to get to next/previous day Jan 27 00:20:32 <Tibfib> just in case you didn't know ;) Jan 27 00:20:50 <sportman> i get that :-p i was just hoping there was a patch or something to make something like what i was looking for Jan 27 00:21:13 <Tibfib> There is the agenda app in homebrew that lists items out Jan 27 00:21:19 * sportman grabs Jan 27 00:21:24 <sportman> Tibfib much thanks :) Jan 27 00:21:30 <Tibfib> I think it is agenda Jan 27 00:21:37 <Tibfib> I know a homebrew app does Jan 27 00:21:44 <bpadalino> ah neat Jan 27 00:25:52 <sportman> that was exactly what i was looking for Jan 27 00:25:55 <sportman> gotta love homebrew Jan 27 00:26:08 <sportman> i still think it is weird that the todo app isnt integrated with calendar Jan 27 00:26:22 <sportman> i mean the task app Jan 27 00:27:34 <bpadalino> maybe they'll get integrated in the future Jan 27 00:28:36 <sportman> be nice Jan 27 00:28:40 <sportman> seems like a no brainern :/ Jan 27 00:28:44 <sportman> *brainer to me Jan 27 00:28:55 <sportman> this agenda app is perfect Jan 27 00:28:57 <sportman> :D Jan 27 00:29:18 <bpadalino> remember to donate if you like Jan 27 00:30:47 <acydlord> yeah, beers dont buy themselves =x Jan 27 00:30:49 * sportman will Jan 27 00:30:52 <sportman> lol haha Jan 27 00:30:57 * sportman can't wait till he writes his own apps Jan 27 00:57:15 <en0x> hmm Jan 27 00:57:25 <en0x> is the verizon webos doctor 1.3.5.1? Jan 27 00:57:38 <rick-home> yes Jan 27 00:57:45 <rick-home> see wiki Jan 27 00:58:03 <rick-home> oh joy - more snow. Jan 27 01:00:32 <CorpX> hey guys Jan 27 01:01:02 <CorpX> im in /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications folder Jan 27 01:01:16 <CorpX> can i just delete a folder from there and the app be gone from my phone completely? Jan 27 01:13:41 <destinal> CorpX: that would tend to leave a messy ipkg library such that the pre thinks an app is installed but is not Jan 27 01:15:07 <destinal> ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps remove org.example.someapp would do what you want for a pure mojo app, but if it's an advanced package with postinst and prerm files you won't want to do that Jan 27 01:15:25 <destinal> since -o (offline) mode doesn't execute prerm Jan 27 01:16:11 <CorpX> ok Jan 27 01:16:13 <CorpX> thanks Jan 27 01:16:25 <CorpX> its just my first app Jan 27 01:16:26 <CorpX> nothing complex Jan 27 01:22:33 <insearchof> does anyone have any additional information (other then on the wiki) on bootie and/or the source code? Jan 27 01:23:44 <bpadalino> it's based on lk: http://git.tkgeisel.com/?p=lk.git;a=summary Jan 27 01:40:57 <gordian> can anyone explain why pre users seem so obsessed with the latest and greatest games but appear not to care about how sluggish the calendar app is compared to palmOS calendar? Jan 27 01:41:31 <gordian> i know it's "been fixed" but i just checked out a pre plus and my treo 650 puts it to shame Jan 27 01:42:09 <rick-home> gordian the webOS caledar app is an afterthought at best. Jan 27 01:42:14 <rick-home> We're right there with you. Jan 27 01:42:27 <bpadalino> yep Jan 27 01:42:32 <rick-home> my solution is to embrace the web, and to use google's mobile calendar site most of the time. Jan 27 01:42:38 <gordian> well why not get some priorities straight? Jan 27 01:43:08 <bpadalino> what priority would go on top ? Jan 27 01:43:08 <gordian> iphone calendar is worlds faster Jan 27 01:43:13 <gordian> (no fanboy) Jan 27 01:43:19 <rick-home> gordian define straight Jan 27 01:43:32 <rick-home> YOUR priorities vs the priorities of the majorityof the people Jan 27 01:43:37 <rick-home> Palm does focus groups Jan 27 01:43:37 <gordian> geez you guys are worse than law students Jan 27 01:43:44 <rick-home> Calendar is NOT a point of pain for alot of people. Jan 27 01:44:03 <bpadalino> law students ask too many questions ? Jan 27 01:44:13 <gordian> it doesnt need to be a "point of pain" Jan 27 01:44:34 <gordian> but if webOS is so much ahead of palmOS there should be some comity Jan 27 01:45:09 <gordian> yes, law students ask too many questions, most similar to: [20:43:14] <rick-home> gordian define straight Jan 27 01:45:29 <bpadalino> they're two different beasts .. webOS is more versatile than palmOS Jan 27 01:45:43 <rick-home> webos <> palmos, there's just no comparison Jan 27 01:45:44 <gordian> then why are some of the most basic apps so sluggish? Jan 27 01:46:08 <gordian> it doesnt make sense Jan 27 01:46:12 <rick-home> palmos was DEFINED as a personal organizer -- calendar was the PREMIER APP on palmos Jan 27 01:46:15 <bpadalino> because they're javascript going through webkit/v8 and accessing services using dbus .. Jan 27 01:46:20 <bpadalino> instead of calling a library directly Jan 27 01:46:23 <gordian> to take something fast and improve on it but make the original slowwwwww Jan 27 01:46:26 <rick-home> otoh, webOS has the BROWSER as the premier app Jan 27 01:47:06 <rick-home> Calendar is an afterthought. -- unimportant to the phone, not critical. Whereas back in the days of the Palm Pilot, the calendar WAS the lead app Jan 27 01:47:13 <rick-home> now, it's an afterthought. Jan 27 01:47:49 <rick-home> webOS isn't an "improvement" of palmos. John Rubenstein defined how they delt with palmos as "shot it in the head." Jan 27 01:48:20 <bpadalino> webOS kind of has two separate areas of implementation which are interesting .. linux/services/dbus .. and then Luna (the UI/browser front end) .. it seems like those could be decoupled if you wanted Jan 27 01:48:31 <rick-home> they could. Jan 27 01:48:54 <gordian> i just want to be able to flip through the pre calendar as quickly as i can flip through my treo 650's Jan 27 01:49:16 <gordian> when someone asks me what i'm doing a week from today it shouldnt take me 25s to look it up Jan 27 01:49:17 <rick-home> and you could write an SDL calendar app, that used the same calendar database through sqlite if you wanted to. It's just that no one HAS. Jan 27 01:49:31 <rick-home> gordian get a copy of Agenda. Jan 27 01:49:40 <gordian> well i'm a coding noob to put it gently Jan 27 01:49:47 <gordian> i barely understand what you even said Jan 27 01:49:56 <gordian> what's hot about agenda? Jan 27 01:49:58 <bpadalino> yeah, try agenda .. a homebrew app someone else tried earlier which was helpful Jan 27 01:50:02 <rick-home> gordian you don't need to be a coder. There is an app in preware called Agenda. Jan 27 01:50:06 <rick-home> it's really good. Jan 27 01:50:08 <rick-home> get it. Jan 27 01:50:20 <rick-home> it reads the palm calendar files _fast_ Jan 27 01:50:31 <bpadalino> http://www.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/agenda Jan 27 01:51:13 <gordian> i'll look into it Jan 27 01:51:15 <gordian> thanks Jan 27 01:51:57 <gordian> just makes my blood boil Jan 27 01:52:25 <gordian> especially since my 650 is on its last leg and i'm torn betw the pre (which i tried in july) and the iphone which my gf has Jan 27 01:52:37 <caligula> where do i find api list of all webos internal services... such as Jan 27 01:53:00 <caligula> com.palm.location, com.palm.storage, com.palm.vibrate, etc Jan 27 01:53:24 <caligula> looking for all methods available for all internal services Jan 27 01:53:45 <caligula> i only see a few on the palm developer site Jan 27 01:53:45 <gordian> the only thing pushing me toward the iphone is that it's not in 1st gen Jan 27 01:54:32 <bpadalino> gordian: the iphone is a nice phone if you don't mind no multitasking (so far) Jan 27 01:54:51 <gordian> roger that Jan 27 01:54:56 <caligula> iphone too closed for me... apple is just too proprietary Jan 27 01:54:58 <gordian> i quite got used to it this summer with the pre Jan 27 01:55:07 <caligula> and i used to be a mac developer Jan 27 01:55:11 <gordian> ...and a big 10-4 caligula Jan 27 01:56:45 <bpadalino> i am just a big nerd and like the general openness of the webos platforn Jan 27 01:56:47 <bpadalino> platform Jan 27 01:57:01 <bpadalino> getting root without worrying about the next OS upgrade disabling it .. Jan 27 01:57:10 <bpadalino> it's just a nice feeling Jan 27 01:58:36 <gordian> i guess i still have some pondering to do Jan 27 01:58:40 <gordian> but i'll return Jan 27 01:58:47 <gordian> (after said pondering) Jan 27 01:59:09 <bpadalino> buy whichever you will be happier with Jan 27 01:59:18 <bpadalino> but i don't think you'll find anyone here try to convince you :) Jan 27 01:59:24 <gordian> roger that Jan 27 01:59:25 <gordian> war Jan 27 02:03:46 <destinal-wirc> rick-home: wow it's so wrong that people have to go to gcal mobile for fast calendar access rather than local Jan 27 02:04:12 <destinal-wirc> lets be honest, the pre has a number of real problems Jan 27 02:04:33 <destinal-wirc> of course it has a lot of great things going too Jan 27 02:05:03 <DrFunk> destinal-wirc: sup Jan 27 02:05:11 <rick-home> destinal-wirc it's really wrong -- but he asked. Jan 27 02:05:56 <destinal-wirc> rick-home: it's a solution that wors for you and you get the pres strengths too Jan 27 02:06:33 <destinal-wirc> but palm has to fix in the next several months or people will dismiss the good along with the bad Jan 27 02:07:13 <destinal-wirc> there's just no excuse for glacially slow Jan 27 02:07:27 <DrFunk> shit Jan 27 02:08:07 <destinal-wirc> especially on one of the faastest commonly available mobile processors today Jan 27 02:09:36 <destinal-wirc> for me though cal is more like 16 to 17 seconds for same info Jan 27 02:10:56 <destinal-wirc> compare with need for speed and see what the hardware is capable of Jan 27 02:13:14 <bpadalino> someone should profile the calendar application to see exactly what's taking up so much time Jan 27 02:13:41 <destinal-wirc> hey I know Jan 27 02:14:04 <destinal-wirc> we should start oss rewriting massive chunks of service cide Jan 27 02:14:06 <destinal-wirc> code Jan 27 02:14:15 <bpadalino> there you go Jan 27 02:14:27 <destinal-wirc> in c Jan 27 02:15:14 <destinal-wirc> if that is the java is that slow and it's not just js Jan 27 02:17:12 <bpadalino> it might just be js .. Jan 27 02:17:27 <bpadalino> which is why the profiling may be very useful in js .. Jan 27 02:17:42 <destinal-wirc> what tools? Jan 27 02:17:47 <destinal-wirc> inspector? Jan 27 02:18:04 <bpadalino> no idea .. sure! Jan 27 02:18:17 <bpadalino> i've never done any js development :( Jan 27 02:18:24 <destinal-wirc> hehe Jan 27 02:22:12 <caligula> where do i find api list of all webos internal services... such as Jan 27 02:22:22 <caligula> com.palm.location, com.palm.storage, com.palm.vibrate, etc Jan 27 02:22:31 <caligula> looking for all methods available for all internal services Jan 27 02:22:46 <bpadalino> i don't think we have one Jan 27 02:23:10 <caligula> is there an api list somewhere? only found a few in palm dev site Jan 27 02:23:39 <bpadalino> only whatever you can find on palms site i think Jan 27 02:23:44 <bpadalino> no comprehensive list i know about Jan 27 02:24:03 <destinal-wirc> most are undocumented I tji Jan 27 02:24:11 <caligula> :( Jan 27 02:25:19 <destinal-wirc> does dbus introspection work to enumerate methods Jan 27 02:26:04 <bpadalino> no, from what i've experienced the dbus introspection stuff hasn't been implemented by the services and doesn't help us any Jan 27 02:29:15 <caligulaisxorg> found this.. http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Introspecting_Dbus Jan 27 02:29:24 <caligulaisxorg> but no methods Jan 27 02:29:50 <bpadalino> because they all return nothing i am pretty sure :( Jan 27 02:30:24 <caligulaisxorg> guess i'll be hunting through code... will document in wiki any methods i find Jan 27 02:31:11 <destinal-wirc> for java services try jd-gui Jan 27 02:32:03 <destinal-wirc> for c ones, strings :) Jan 27 02:32:28 <destinal-wirc> or dbus-util to sniff bus Jan 27 02:32:30 <caligulaisxorg> btw, is there a way to do pushScene via luna-send? Jan 27 02:34:56 <destinal-wirc> no idea, haven't heard one Jan 27 02:35:47 <bpadalino> nm works pretty well with C ones as well .. Jan 27 02:36:35 <bpadalino> especially if you can match the method strings and the entry point which checks for all the different methods and whatnot Jan 27 02:38:30 <caligulaisxorg> thanks, will do some sleuthing with those Jan 27 02:41:10 <bpadalino> good luck! Jan 27 02:41:25 <destinal-wirc> dbus-util -list and -capture are your friends Jan 27 02:44:07 <caligulaisxorg> i'm on it, thx **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jan 27 02:59:57 2010

**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jan 26 02:59:56 2010 Jan 26 03:00:59 Besides this, what does it take to get an game or app ported to SDL for linux to run on webos? I've been looking and reading alot but haven't really found much Jan 26 03:02:48 go to the webos internals wiki for details Jan 26 03:05:52 rboatright: are you aware of an issue where clock alarms disappear? mine are doing that on the Pre Jan 26 03:06:03 no Jan 26 03:06:23 xcomp: eina is a dep for expedite, right? Jan 26 03:06:28 post in bugs at developers forum on palm Jan 26 03:06:42 whats good Jan 26 03:06:56 rboatright: OK Jan 26 03:07:04 ghostinator: honestly, wiki isn't terribly up to date for what you're asking, the answer is someone needs to make fceux gles2.0 compatible for nes emulation in a card Jan 26 03:07:18 rboatright: waitasec - as in the closed developer's forum? I don't have access to that Jan 26 03:07:29 ghostinator: it shouldn't be a _huge_ project, but it requires some prior gles and sdl trickery knowledge Jan 26 03:07:39 no open Jan 26 03:07:48 rboatright: OK thanks Jan 26 03:08:03 just register...fre Jan 26 03:08:14 yep I'm already registered Jan 26 03:08:28 kk Jan 26 03:09:16 what do you guys use to make your ipkg feeds? just the standard ipkg-tools that was used for ipaqs? Jan 26 03:09:55 I'll check it out, i ran out of space when i went to unpack the tar.bz2 file.. haha Jan 26 03:12:06 palm-package Jan 26 03:12:18 yeah but what do you use to create the feeds Jan 26 03:12:37 oh feeds.... Jan 26 03:12:58 we inhereted all that code from nlsug Jan 26 03:13:42 so i couldn't make my own feed i take it Jan 26 03:13:51 although browsing them through http it looks like i could make a quick script to do it Jan 26 03:13:53 webos internaalss feed are on the same server as slug Jan 26 03:14:15 you can. make your own Jan 26 03:14:28 sampson: is there a reason you're interested in your own feed? Jan 26 03:16:06 destinal: ping Jan 26 03:17:05 I deleted alot of stuff off my pre to free up space, and i'm still getting a error Jan 26 03:19:21 whats the command for "go to line" in vim? Jan 26 03:19:22 3.5gb should be more than plenty to do this right? Jan 26 03:19:51 dBsooner, : Jan 26 03:20:01 thanks Jan 26 03:20:53 evenign all Jan 26 03:21:32 zsoc: not really just like figuring out how things work Jan 26 03:24:31 dBsooner, also type line number then G Jan 26 03:24:36 dBsooner, test patches feed rebuilt Jan 26 03:24:39 k Jan 26 03:24:41 AnOutsider, hello Jan 26 03:24:44 egaudet: pm Jan 26 03:24:56 my head is killing me so I'm going to be shortly Jan 26 03:25:31 egaudet: we still gotta chat, unless you already got things sorted? Jan 26 03:25:35 debian chroot says i have 0 freespace, yet i have 3.5gb. i'll come back tommorrow after class and bother you guys more Jan 26 03:26:21 not sorted yet Jan 26 03:26:21 what's the stamps file for? Jan 26 03:26:37 I have a plan for themes in AUPT, but that doesn't solve the patches without review issue Jan 26 03:27:24 regarding the AUPT plan, I have the groundwork for image replacement via a tarball additional_files.tar.gz Jan 26 03:27:30 well the simple solution there I think is that I disallow external patches and include a list of approved patches Jan 26 03:27:31 oh they're epoch dates Jan 26 03:27:35 I GET IT Jan 26 03:27:35 themers can check off which ones to include Jan 26 03:28:56 I don't love the idea of disabling patches in themes but if that's the decision I'm OK with it Jan 26 03:29:17 palm selling pre plus direct at palm.com Jan 26 03:31:10 Not a decision, just an option Jan 26 03:31:31 interesting Jan 26 03:31:33 plus they'd still be able to use patches that are already reviewed by you guys. Jan 26 03:31:44 Palm basically knowing they have die hard Pre fans on sprint who want one Jan 26 03:32:16 can it be used on sprint though? if not, doesnt matter Jan 26 03:32:27 im hoping they'll bypass pre 1.5 and go right to the next one this summer Jan 26 03:32:43 AnOutsider, I think that could work, and sounds like a decent option. but it would require a themer to submit patch via webos-patches portal, wait for approval then submit theme with dependency Jan 26 03:32:54 WebOS on a device like the nexus one would be amazing. The Nexus one hardware is so smooth Jan 26 03:33:23 well I guess it comes down to what themers are using, and I think most of them are using like messaging scrim and iphone chat bubbles patches Jan 26 03:33:32 I dont think many are making homemade patches Jan 26 03:33:35 However if I integrate the image replacement with AUPT, then the themers will probably want to submit the entire thing to one submission not separately Jan 26 03:33:41 the hardware is nice but I've played around with the nexus one for a few days at work Jan 26 03:33:45 and it has the occasional freeze Jan 26 03:33:59 it shows me Google is pulling a microsoft in that they think hardware will solve their inefficient development problems Jan 26 03:34:02 AnOutsider, just because it's not currently being done doesn't mean it won't or shouldn't in the future Jan 26 03:34:04 Well Android OS just sucks IMO, so beyond the form factor and screen, not much there for me Jan 26 03:34:19 Palm and Apple seem to be interested more in optimising their OS to work on less capable hardware Jan 26 03:34:20 Agreed Jan 26 03:34:29 which is the difference between a good user experience and a bad one Jan 26 03:34:52 egaudet: well it comes down to that, or manually reviewing patches in themes, which I just don't have the time to do Jan 26 03:34:54 less capable hardware ? Jan 26 03:35:13 yeah, after seeing the Assassins creed video, I think the pre hardware is veryc apable Jan 26 03:35:24 I more meant the form factor Jan 26 03:35:25 bpadalino, well a 500mhz arm is still no 1ghz snapdragon Jan 26 03:35:31 I'm not saying the hardware as a whole Jan 26 03:35:35 AnOutsider, it may be possible for you to work with dBsooner on a way for prethemer.com to submit to webos-patches portal and then receive verification/validation after approval Jan 26 03:35:38 I'm just saying specs Jan 26 03:35:51 (if dBsooner was willing) Jan 26 03:35:55 i am not sure palm really does any serious optimizations in general Jan 26 03:35:57 you could put android on a 1.5ghz processor, 1gb of ram, whatever it takes Jan 26 03:35:58 yeah that can be done. Would he want to though? doubtful Jan 26 03:36:10 and it still would have the occasional freeze/lockup/bad user experience Jan 26 03:36:23 especially when peopel start submitting patches that basically do the same thing because they dont know (or didnt bother to find out) if someoen else did it before them Jan 26 03:36:31 well the way I see it right now, the patches for these things will be made regardless of where they get submitted, so in the end they will probably end up being submitted to portal anyway Jan 26 03:36:31 lots of abstraction goes on with webos .. and plenty of lag in general use Jan 26 03:36:32 Apple is aimed at making a good OS that is responsive on a 500mhz processor, a 600mhz processor etc, it translates to a good OS on a 1ghz processor later Jan 26 03:36:50 true Jan 26 03:36:51 bpadalino, the freezes on the Nexus one are different than webOS lag Jan 26 03:36:54 AnOutsider, a patch isnide a theme is to make things look a specific way Jan 26 03:37:01 i haven't used a nexus one Jan 26 03:37:15 the freezes in Android* are different than webOS lag Jan 26 03:37:26 they're outright absolutely annoying Jan 26 03:37:27 egaudet: yes, didnt contest that Jan 26 03:37:32 even to someone patient like me Jan 26 03:37:42 but many people are reusing the same patches Jan 26 03:37:47 so I just don't see a lot of doing the same thing Jan 26 03:38:18 well what started it anyway? someone think that they got a bad patch? Jan 26 03:38:22 but aside from embedding patches that way, being able to pick dependent patches also that may be common to themes (like scrim patches) is good idea as well Jan 26 03:38:32 no Jan 26 03:38:44 but Craig is right in pointing out that it's an open security hole Jan 26 03:38:47 my biggest issue with android is the lack of upgrade/maintenance plans for the hardware created.. kind of going down the winmo route which is ambiguous and whatnot Jan 26 03:39:08 * psykoz grins Jan 26 03:39:10 Yup Jan 26 03:39:38 well in the short term, stating that the theme contains patch(es) might be a good way to ease concerns Jan 26 03:39:41 another annoying problem with Android, though Palm has some staggered versioning going on too, not nearly as bad, Apple seems to be the only company who is releasing point releases for everyone after the carriers sanctify them Jan 26 03:39:51 short of manually reviewing each Jan 26 03:40:00 with a user-generated site like Prethemer, that's a nightmare Jan 26 03:40:10 psykoz: yeah - i kinda wish palm would keep everyone on parity .. not sure what it takes to roll that all out, tho Jan 26 03:40:17 AnOutsider, stating it contains a patch is not the issue Jan 26 03:40:24 bpadalino, what Apple does, wait Jan 26 03:40:36 ah Jan 26 03:40:39 the issue, from my perspective, is that these patches inside themes are not "trusted" Jan 26 03:41:07 so whether we indicate the theme contains one or not is irrelevant in my book Jan 26 03:41:14 bpadalino, Apple won't release 4.x until all carriers in the world agree to releasing 4.x in theory* Jan 26 03:41:29 ah Jan 26 03:41:33 psykoz: Im glad palm doesn't do it like that. Jan 26 03:41:57 Tibfib, but you get staggered releases then, what if Sprint decides they don't want your 1.4 WebOS and Verizon does Jan 26 03:42:19 well, if dBsooner feels like reviewing each one, I'll tie them together, otherwise the only other thing I can think of is dependencies from the official feed Jan 26 03:42:19 psykoz: they wont :P Jan 26 03:42:24 Apple provides a consistent user experience across the board Jan 26 03:42:26 then Sprint would face a lot of user complaints and give 1.4 anyway Jan 26 03:42:55 AnOutsider, well for now I think the best thing to do is to disable patches in themes? Jan 26 03:43:02 psykoz: its not like android in that way Jan 26 03:44:03 And for the future I'm not a fan of the idea of cluttering up the patches feed for the many theme specific patches that are bound to arise Jan 26 03:44:20 Or the other side is Apple may have really onesided agreements with carriers saying they can release new versions whenever they want (?) Seems unlikely in that regard though Jan 26 03:44:26 Considering no one wanted their phone to begin with Jan 26 03:44:32 (carriers) Jan 26 03:44:47 lol well that's what I said when you suggested having them submit to the official feed Jan 26 03:44:53 "palm selling pre plus direct at palm.com" sweeeet! Jan 26 03:45:00 jacques, nod that's hot ;) Jan 26 03:45:08 jacques: how much? Jan 26 03:45:11 (I'm a bit behind, sorry) Jan 26 03:45:22 $600 ($599.99) Jan 26 03:45:27 Grrr... Jan 26 03:45:33 Does anyone know if you can bring non-sprint devices to sprint (?) Jan 26 03:46:49 I think a public repo and MIT license of patches for prethemer themes would be a good step Jan 26 03:46:55 similar to the patches modifications.git repo Jan 26 03:47:17 how much of the problem would that solve tho? Jan 26 03:47:25 not reviewed, but open, so that's good Jan 26 03:47:38 but one wouldn't know which patches are in the theme they're downloading right? Jan 26 03:47:42 really the biggest missing piece is the OSS model of security Jan 26 03:48:24 There's only so much security review a single person can do Jan 26 03:48:56 an open source public repo allow many eyes to keep it secure Jan 26 03:50:08 "Got a promotional code?" hmmm Jan 26 03:50:19 yeah, makes sense Jan 26 03:50:30 so, open source repo, themes can apply a patch found in the repo Jan 26 03:51:56 hmm, not to change the subject, but whatever happened with that mytether alternative that was being worked on? Jan 26 03:56:55 AnOutsider : are you talking abuot freetether...? As far as i know it is in alpha testing and works with usb only for right now but, if u install some other ipks u get get it to enable wifi hotspot on a sprint phone Jan 26 03:57:33 hmm, seems theres a thread on precentral about it. I'll check into it, thanks Jan 26 04:00:23 AnOutsider: freetether works great (and safe) right now over usbnet, it also supports enabling the hotspot application. Jan 26 04:02:25 dtzwill you thee Jan 26 04:02:30 there? Jan 26 04:02:31 firestrider: sup Jan 26 04:02:38 zsoc: what does enabling the hotspot app get you? Jan 26 04:03:04 are the pictures for the vba app supposed to be in the photo album Jan 26 04:03:46 firestrider: yes Jan 26 04:03:46 hmm, has anyone tested freetether on the... lastest... Webos version? Jan 26 04:03:54 firestrider: i thought you might wanna show them off :P Jan 26 04:03:58 yes works perfect Jan 26 04:04:06 firestrider: sorry, i kid. seriously though that was an unintentional side effect Jan 26 04:04:15 firestrider: sorry if they're cluttering up your albums :( Jan 26 04:04:27 @JMyaDaGod which WebOS version Jan 26 04:04:34 1.3.5.1 Jan 26 04:04:38 dtzWill: no problem I was just wondering Jan 26 04:04:40 ;) Jan 26 04:05:25 works perfect .... i don think bluetooth available yet it broke with last update "i think" Jan 26 04:05:42 yeah doesnt seem to work in the latest version Jan 26 04:08:29 what does freetether do? configure dnsmasq, set the NAT rule, and enable ip_forwarding ? Jan 26 04:09:09 dtzWill: in theory, naming the folder .skins instead of skins would fix that.... Jan 26 04:10:11 not in theory Jan 26 04:10:21 in practice Jan 26 04:10:43 zsoc: interesting. i'll fix that in the future. would make it harder to add skins on a mac though right? (do they hide .* ?) Jan 26 04:10:48 linux as well, but they can deal :P Jan 26 04:11:06 anything "hidden" can be shown I assume Jan 26 04:11:10 anyone analysed the verizon doctor yet? Jan 26 04:11:13 egaudet: so true D: Jan 26 04:11:20 well sure but doesn't mean it's friendly for the suer Jan 26 04:11:26 ...but neither is vba skins in their photo album Jan 26 04:27:25 how did you guys already get 1.4.0 Jan 26 04:29:12 we are magical penguin movers Jan 26 04:29:22 wasn't there a wiki post on enabling colors in bash? Jan 26 04:29:57 i see you've been testing patches on 1.4 for quite some time :P Jan 26 04:30:30 hello WHE's Jan 26 04:30:41 ~zsoc Jan 26 04:30:42 zsoc is, like, the OWHE, original webos hacker extraordinaire, and don't forget it. Jan 26 04:31:14 ~WHE Jan 26 04:31:53 well that was boring Jan 26 04:32:03 already made a feed maker in bash :\ Jan 26 04:32:09 now i need a new project Jan 26 04:32:31 infobot WHE is a WebOS Hacker Extraordinaire, something along the likes of zsoc, egaudet, PuffTheMagic and dtzWill... something you wish you were. Jan 26 04:32:32 okay, cryptk|work Jan 26 04:32:36 ~whe Jan 26 04:32:37 i heard whe is a WebOS Hacker Extraordinaire, something along the likes of zsoc, egaudet, PuffTheMagic and dtzWill... something you wish you were. Jan 26 04:32:44 much better Jan 26 04:33:38 cryptk|work: that is terribly, TERRIBLY inaccurate Jan 26 04:34:08 infobot forget WHE Jan 26 04:34:08 i forgot whe, zsoc Jan 26 04:34:36 come up with something better then zsoc Jan 26 04:35:54 infobot, whe is something you yell on a roller coaster, or maybe some type of zsoc clone Jan 26 04:35:55 okay, egaudet Jan 26 04:36:18 haha Jan 26 04:36:35 I still don't know why zsoc didn't like my original one... lol Jan 26 04:36:54 cryptk|work: you were grouping people together in places they did not belong :) Jan 26 04:37:01 ahh Jan 26 04:37:07 which names in particular? Jan 26 04:37:11 cryptk|work: mine :p Jan 26 04:37:20 how are you not a WHE? Jan 26 04:37:27 * zsoc facepalms Jan 26 04:37:38 infobot forget whe Jan 26 04:37:38 zsoc: i forgot whe Jan 26 04:37:39 lol Jan 26 04:38:20 infobot: whe is a WebOS Hacker Extraordinaire... something zsoc most definitely is not... Jan 26 04:38:22 okay, cryptk|work Jan 26 04:38:24 better? Jan 26 04:38:29 lol Jan 26 04:38:29 ... Jan 26 04:38:32 infobot forget whe Jan 26 04:38:32 i forgot whe, zsoc Jan 26 04:38:36 HAHA Jan 26 04:38:40 owned much? Jan 26 04:38:46 just a little, lol Jan 26 04:38:48 infobot WHE is a WebOS Hacker Extraordinaire, which is what Joshua Topolsky called zsoc after he typed "make" one time... Jan 26 04:38:49 okay, zsoc Jan 26 04:39:01 hahaha Jan 26 04:39:04 oh now we're dropping names Jan 26 04:39:24 cryptk|work: the point is it's a joke, and directly the opposite of what it seems to be :p and spelling it out ruins the illusion, so good job ;) Jan 26 04:39:34 ahh Jan 26 04:39:38 gotcha Jan 26 04:39:45 keep the true meaning hidden... Jan 26 04:39:49 * zsoc hopes josh googles himself, finds this log, and makes a "what in the world?" face Jan 26 04:40:34 so pretty much you told someone how to compile source code and you were deemed a WHE, lol Jan 26 04:40:51 haha Jan 26 04:41:05 i wish i had time to actually undertake a real project Jan 26 04:41:14 but i have too many new toys to play with Jan 26 04:41:45 i've been playing with my new e-reader... thinking about popping it open to see if i can find the serial port Jan 26 04:42:25 if you look around online usually you can find pics of the internals Jan 26 04:42:35 yeah Jan 26 04:42:41 and sometimes you will luck out and find a high enough quality one to get a good look Jan 26 04:42:50 i got one of those new sony readers Jan 26 04:42:53 it's pretty slick Jan 26 04:43:03 (sometimes though it is from a crappy camera on a feature phone...) Jan 26 04:44:35 which model? Jan 26 04:44:41 reader daily Jan 26 04:45:03 i want to see if i can somehow get a crude browser on it Jan 26 04:45:14 e-paper? Jan 26 04:45:19 yeah Jan 26 04:45:36 i wouldn't browse pages i want to see if i could use the wireless to view rss feeds Jan 26 04:45:50 it has built in at&t 3g Jan 26 04:45:52 interesting... Jan 26 04:46:44 question: is there any way i can tell if a particular block of code is getting called? Jan 26 04:46:47 I wonder how they worked out the free 3G with AT&T Jan 26 04:47:16 jlazaroff: there are many ways Jan 26 04:47:31 is the code on the pre or is it on our computer? Jan 26 04:47:37 you could watch it in a debugger Jan 26 04:47:43 or you could do something much more simple Jan 26 04:47:54 have the code leave a trail of it's execution Jan 26 04:47:57 cryptk|work: computer and emulator. i'm trying to bind a function to a tap event on a button but i'm not sure it's working Jan 26 04:48:00 a log entry for example Jan 26 04:48:19 what language? Jan 26 04:48:26 is it a WebOS app or native code? Jan 26 04:48:51 the best way would be to have it make a log entry of some sort Jan 26 04:48:58 cryptk|work: webOS app. sorry, i just kinda dove into this today so i'm still learning the basics Jan 26 04:48:58 something to say "yep, I ran" Jan 26 04:49:10 ahh, webos app... Jan 26 04:49:11 what os do the sony's use? Jan 26 04:49:11 webos/javascript, use the ares debugger Jan 26 04:49:21 yep, there ya go Jan 26 04:49:27 ares has a debugger Jan 26 04:49:37 can i use that even if i'm not using ares? Jan 26 04:49:46 you can upload an ipk to ares Jan 26 04:49:48 * cryptk|work wonders if I have to have a developer account to use ares or if I can use it for free.... Jan 26 04:49:53 ares the god of war? Jan 26 04:49:56 and debug it on device or emulator Jan 26 04:49:57 never looked into using it Jan 26 04:50:03 ares kicks ass Jan 26 04:50:05 firestrider: no Jan 26 04:50:20 cryptk|work: you need to sign up for palm developers, i think, but you don't need to pay the $99/year or whatever it is Jan 26 04:50:21 bhern: is ares only for paid developers or can I sign up for it for free? Jan 26 04:50:26 cool Jan 26 04:50:30 I am gonna go check it out Jan 26 04:50:37 i think it's just free for all devs off of developer.palm.com Jan 26 04:50:37 is it ares.palm.com? Jan 26 04:50:45 ahh, developer.palm.com Jan 26 04:51:12 actually ares.palm.com Jan 26 04:51:22 There's "sign in" and "sign up". Jan 26 04:53:15 you could say I'm ... sign'in' up! Jan 26 04:53:26 hrm... it isn't letting me log in... Jan 26 04:53:56 I have a username and pass... but when i click sign in it just reloads the login page... Jan 26 04:54:25 js/cookies issue perhaps? Jan 26 04:54:34 what browser? (and dont say IE) Jan 26 04:54:48 no... I think I only have a community account, upgrading it now Jan 26 04:54:59 I am at work so I have IE and FF (I use FF) Jan 26 04:55:28 ares is either ff or safari Jan 26 04:56:07 i thought ares was available to all dev accounts Jan 26 04:56:28 it is, but I didn't have a dev account Jan 26 04:56:32 but I am fixing that now Jan 26 04:57:01 looks like the touch editions haven't been hacked yet Jan 26 04:57:02 oh well Jan 26 04:57:29 it runs linux so if i could grab & flash images it would be pretty easy to write some java to grab rss... i'll put it on the todo list Jan 26 04:58:44 and I now have ares Jan 26 04:59:40 java? might as well use nook version of android then Jan 26 05:01:17 how do i upload an ipk to ares, exactly? Jan 26 05:02:27 select the file tab Jan 26 05:02:28 not sure, I am just now checking it out Jan 26 05:02:40 oh, yeah, bottom left corner Jan 26 05:02:42 select Applications folder. Jan 26 05:02:56 Drag to the lower left a zip file containing the app directory Jan 26 05:03:15 see where it says "Drop application (.zip or .tgz) below? Jan 26 05:03:41 okay, maybe i shouldn't do this with the chrome beta Jan 26 05:03:42 the zip should contain the app source dir, not an IPK Jan 26 05:07:56 brb, mandatory restart for a software update Jan 26 05:12:48 where do i view the log? Jan 26 05:16:37 does ares work OK with ff3.6 ? Jan 26 05:17:44 seems to be working fine for me on 3.6 Jan 26 05:17:53 my FF is downloading 3.7.... Jan 26 05:18:31 I didn't even know there was a 3.7... Jan 26 05:18:35 brb... Jan 26 05:19:47 wait nvm... I am on 3.5.6... not 3.6 Jan 26 05:19:54 damn FF Govt edition... Jan 26 05:20:52 bpadalino: ping Jan 26 05:21:00 hi Jan 26 05:21:26 bpadalino: hi :) Jan 26 05:21:35 hows it going ? Jan 26 05:21:43 there we go... now I am slightly less out of date Jan 26 05:22:03 bpadalino: pretty solid :) i remember you doing some simple egl->sdl conversion, i'm curious.. did you ever try building any of the egl stuff directly? Jan 26 05:22:35 no, because i think without SDL, you end up fighting with luna .. i think mdklein tried doing that .. Jan 26 05:22:45 not only am I old, I'm on the East Coast, so good-night. Jan 26 05:22:56 oops, wrong channel Jan 26 05:23:02 #-) Jan 26 05:23:57 bpadalino: ok, so the card hook is in the sdl derivative... i guess that's what i was looking for. Jan 26 05:24:13 yeah i am pretty sure SDL gets you the card Jan 26 05:24:21 cryptk|work: how do i view logs? -_- Jan 26 05:25:02 well, I only know how to do logging on native apps... Jan 26 05:26:06 native apps as opposed to...? Jan 26 05:27:12 sdl cards are static? Jan 26 05:28:23 apparently "no action" to ipkg means "no action with the exception of still downloading packages" Jan 26 05:28:41 "and then not actually caching them so if you decide to do the install, you have to download all over again" Jan 26 05:28:47 yes, this is the ipkg I remember Jan 26 05:29:22 sure, it has to get the metadata from somewhere Jan 26 05:29:38 be cool if something could use http ranges on the ar Jan 26 05:30:10 goint to upgrade weechat - biab Jan 26 05:32:24 back with weechat 3.1 Jan 26 05:32:30 whee. Jan 26 05:33:41 can i just paste code here? Jan 26 05:33:44 cuz i'm pretty sure it should work Jan 26 05:34:50 jlazaroff: use a pastebin - not here Jan 26 05:35:08 http://pastebin.com/ Jan 26 05:36:33 jacques: gotcha, will do Jan 26 05:37:39 and depending on what you're trying to do, #webos might be more appropriate Jan 26 05:38:40 oh, hm. which is better for development help? Jan 26 05:39:05 ah, #webos. sorry about that, then Jan 26 05:40:05 for "normal" development, use #webos Jan 26 05:40:51 most people in this channel probably never use the "recommended" tools and don't know much about them Jan 26 05:46:53 * cryptk|work is checking out ares for the first time today, lol Jan 26 05:48:07 I guess by the above logic, here we do abnormal development Jan 26 05:48:33 jacques: agreed Jan 26 05:48:43 does that mean I do abnormal testing? Jan 26 05:48:53 since I don't really write anything, but I beta test everything I can? Jan 26 05:50:03 heh Jan 26 05:51:25 * jacques downloads firefox-3.6.source.tar.bz2 Jan 26 05:56:19 jacques: Hoping to get that onto a Pre? Jan 26 05:57:39 Wish I had stronger C/C++/SDL-fu, because I'd try this: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Build/Fennec Jan 26 06:02:14 lmorchard: yeah fennec might be interesting - I haven't looked at it in years Jan 26 06:02:52 I'm just building firefox on my desktop Jan 26 06:03:18 They're working on Android right now, though iphone would probably never happen Jan 26 06:03:53 it should run nicely on a pre plus :-D Jan 26 06:04:02 didnt they try for apple and apple explicitly denied any browsers? Jan 26 06:04:17 And apparently there's a DirectFB path to building XULRunner, which Fennec runs atop: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/DFBPorting Jan 26 06:04:33 Yeah, Apple would need some serious arm twisting to allow another browser on iphone Jan 26 06:05:40 the browser on Pre is webkit based? Jan 26 06:06:19 Yup, all of webOS is webkit-based in fact Jan 26 06:06:29 well, Luna/Mojo anyway Jan 26 06:08:26 most phones period run on webkit-based browsers Jan 26 06:09:39 does webkit scale down better than xulrunner? Jan 26 06:09:43 Yeah Jan 26 06:10:07 Webkit is better suited for embedding, while gecko/xulrunner is more oriented around being the platform in which you embed other things Jan 26 06:12:28 Ironically, I think that might have made gecko/xulrunner a good candidate for something like webOS, but who knows Jan 26 06:21:06 I need to install a webkit based browser to use while I'm rebuilding firefox Jan 26 06:21:17 I wonder if there are any in gentoo Jan 26 06:21:47 jacques: how long does it take you to build source? Jan 26 06:21:56 only takes a few minutes for me, lol Jan 26 06:24:16 chromium? Jan 26 06:24:55 midori? Jan 26 06:25:31 lynx? wait Jan 26 06:25:32 :p Jan 26 06:30:04 tmzt: yeah looking at chromium now - trying to figure out why the new versinos are hard masked Jan 26 06:30:56 know nothing about gentoo Jan 26 06:31:35 jacques: i tend to just unmask everything and fix the breakage ;) Jan 26 06:32:25 zsoc: I just wish I knew *why* it was masked - I guess I could go search bugs.gentoo.org, if I had a browser running Jan 26 06:32:48 I have found that firefox *really* does not like having a new version installed underneath it Jan 26 06:33:05 jacques: you're referring to it being masked by architecture, no? Jan 26 06:33:35 my main complaint about chromium is the fonts look really blurry to me and I don't know how to fix that Jan 26 06:33:49 oh i see now, i missed the context of the conversation lol Jan 26 06:34:04 zsoc: it's masked by profile maybe - not by arch because I am looking at the ebuild Jan 26 06:34:30 hmmm /etc/portage/package.unmask ? :D Jan 26 06:34:40 I actually enjoy breaking things on gentoo and fixing them later... i dunno why.. hehe Jan 26 06:38:17 heh, only one of my add-ons isn't compatible, and I can live without it Jan 26 06:39:23 this personas thing is just wrong Jan 26 06:44:03 hmm I can't remove/add app launchers to my ubuntu panel :( Jan 26 06:45:16 egaudet: is it not letting you? or giving an error Jan 26 06:45:40 not letting me Jan 26 06:45:43