**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Feb 06 02:59:57 2010 Feb 06 03:00:16 done Feb 06 03:00:29 save space on rootfs? Feb 06 03:00:56 i'm checking with someone right now what the package name is Feb 06 03:01:08 ok ty Feb 06 03:01:20 not very important imo, what do we put on / Feb 06 03:02:06 but all you'll need to do is ipkg remove whatever the package name is Feb 06 03:04:13 com.nim.app.vznavigator - 1.0.0-14 - VzNavigator App Feb 06 03:04:13 com.nim.vznavigator - 1.0.0-14 - VzNavigator Service Feb 06 03:04:20 that was from a list_installed Feb 06 03:04:23 there ya go Feb 06 03:04:36 so ipkg remove com.nim.app.vznavigator Feb 06 03:04:46 I would not ipkg remove anything Feb 06 03:05:16 destinal-wirc: space on rootfs is not at a premium Feb 06 03:05:29 messing with the ipkg database on the rootfs might be the cause of continuous update syndrome Feb 06 03:05:35 s/might/is/ Feb 06 03:05:45 confirmed by Palm Feb 06 03:05:49 so i want to hide the icon instead? Feb 06 03:05:50 rwhitby, do we know that removing has the same effect? Feb 06 03:05:58 right that was my point Feb 06 03:05:58 egaudet: we do not Feb 06 03:06:28 So, the new server has been purchased, and the parts are on their way to OSUOSL. Feb 06 03:06:43 sweet Feb 06 03:06:49 well i trust you guys, how would i go about hiding the icon? Feb 06 03:06:51 awesome Feb 06 03:06:58 farms edit the appinfo.json Feb 06 03:07:20 farms, same as the instructions to hide the sprint apps, now that you know what app you're looking for Feb 06 03:07:20 I think it's visible: false Feb 06 03:07:35 and then you can make a patch and submit it for others :P Feb 06 03:08:38 vi /usr/palm/applications/ Feb 06 03:08:39 com.nim.app.vznavigator/appinfo.json ? Feb 06 03:10:01 The server install will probably happen near the end of the month. Tom is going to travel to OSUOSL to do the changeover in person. Feb 06 03:10:50 and then the backup server in Hawaii should be ready a couple of weeks after that. Feb 06 03:12:58 rwhitby: preware 0.9.19 seems free of obvious breakage. Feb 06 03:13:15 zsoc: thx for testing and reporting. I appreciate that. Feb 06 03:14:03 farms, i do believe so Feb 06 03:14:10 rwhitby: of course, we're all here for the team :) Feb 06 03:14:30 i'm here for the glory Feb 06 03:17:30 hidden :) Feb 06 03:17:34 ty guys!! Feb 06 03:17:55 farms: we'll be watching out for the patch submission ... Feb 06 03:18:16 where is the web os guide to creating patches? Feb 06 03:18:24 web os internals** Feb 06 03:18:51 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Applying_Patches#Information_for_developing_patches Feb 06 03:18:53 just pulled Feb 06 03:21:49 I need to go help install the backup server Feb 06 03:21:51 damnit now i have to reverse if im going to create a patch Feb 06 03:22:12 So, I need two more Preware alpha testers before I release it ... Feb 06 03:22:30 ill test if you need help Feb 06 03:24:36 brb dinner time Feb 06 03:29:26 rwhitby: what would comprise a test? Feb 06 03:32:21 jacques: put a typo in a feed URL Feb 06 03:33:01 it should still load the previously cached version of the feed Feb 06 03:35:44 that was weird Feb 06 03:36:03 I was updating preware to 0.9.19 and preware exited Feb 06 03:36:18 yeah, luna manager does that on the rescan Feb 06 03:36:40 ok cool, just surprised me Feb 06 03:36:55 one day we'll get around to special casing that with an OK dialog Feb 06 03:37:47 rwhitby: how do I inject the typo into a feed URL? Feb 06 03:37:58 vi Feb 06 03:38:27 zile Feb 06 03:38:52 oh, you're right - vi is probably best for making typos Feb 06 03:39:19 meh, I'm going to release this thing based on zsoc's intensive testing alone Feb 06 03:41:01 jacques: did it run for you? Feb 06 03:42:25 one last question - where are the feeds stored on webos ? Feb 06 03:42:30 * rwhitby waits with finger poised over "make upload" Feb 06 03:42:39 jacques: /media/cryptofs/apps/etc/ipkg/ Feb 06 03:43:29 typo injected Feb 06 03:44:33 it notified me of the error with a window Feb 06 03:44:41 I hit OK and it continued on Feb 06 03:44:50 that what you needed? Feb 06 03:44:53 yep Feb 06 03:45:05 Preware 0.9.19 released Feb 06 03:45:33 woohoo Feb 06 03:59:24 * rwhitby bbl Feb 06 04:29:38 Guys, I need someone to help me change my keyboard from QWERTZ to QWERTZ, I am willing to PAY Feb 06 04:29:50 I read the instructions on precentral, but it did not help me. Feb 06 04:29:55 Please help me out here. Feb 06 04:29:56 QWERTZ to QWERTZ seems like a very simple change .. Feb 06 04:30:02 lol Feb 06 04:30:03 i'd gladly help :) Feb 06 04:30:09 contact me Feb 06 04:30:19 my joke didn't go over too well :( Feb 06 04:30:28 ill paypal you some money for your time Feb 06 04:30:52 oops Feb 06 04:30:57 I meant, QWERTY to QWERTZ Feb 06 04:30:58 Pashtunify: you caught the mistype i see :) Feb 06 04:31:11 ya indeed, I did. Feb 06 04:31:16 that, i can't help you with, sorry Feb 06 04:31:46 QWERTZ to QWERTY? Feb 06 04:31:56 Place your bets...who thinks I can get Sprint to give me a free developer line? Feb 06 04:32:27 Anyone here willing to help me out, I am willing to pay. I just need my pre to be changed from QWERTZ to QWERTY Feb 06 04:32:44 Pashtunify: Change your locale in your profile perhaps? Feb 06 04:32:50 reality9110: probably slim to none .. but you could request a deaf line if you just want data .. it's pretty cheap .. $30/mo i believe ? Feb 06 04:33:09 bpadalino: $30 is not that cheap Feb 06 04:33:18 cheaper than $70! Feb 06 04:33:48 why do you need developer data line? are you developing on a pixi? Feb 06 04:33:53 na, no option. Feb 06 04:33:57 anybody here? Please. Feb 06 04:34:15 Pashtunify: were there directions you tried to follow but it didn't work ? Feb 06 04:34:19 like I said, I am willing to paypal money Feb 06 04:34:22 Kyusaku: I don't want to use the Pre. Feb 06 04:34:24 I don't know how to follow them Feb 06 04:34:31 I just got the PRE today Feb 06 04:34:34 Pashtunify: I've never done it before, the guy who developed the hack isn't around right now Feb 06 04:34:51 Pashtunify: link us to the directions you're trying to follow ? Feb 06 04:35:03 Kyusaku: I develop for it...but in terms of using it as a phone, I'd rather use something else. Feb 06 04:35:15 I http://forums.precentral.net/gsm-pre/210321-how-permanently-change-qwertz-azerty-qwerty-keyboard-mapping.html Feb 06 04:35:21 There it is above Feb 06 04:35:28 I don't know how to follow Feb 06 04:35:37 apparently its very easy based on what others said. Feb 06 04:35:42 but I dont want to take any risks Feb 06 04:36:21 Please guys, Id be very grateful. Feb 06 04:36:26 Pashtunify: Then live with what you have. Either you take the risk, or you don't. Feb 06 04:36:34 It's as simple as that Feb 06 04:36:37 reality9110: why don't you want to develop on a Pre? Feb 06 04:36:55 Anyone willing to help me go with this tutorial? Feb 06 04:36:57 Kyusaku: I do develop for the Pre. I don't want to USE the Pre as my main phone. Feb 06 04:37:04 ah Feb 06 04:37:31 I thought you were using some non-webos device as a phone Feb 06 04:37:40 I'm willing to PayPal $20 bucks. Feb 06 04:37:43 Pashtunify: how much do you know about linux or the commandline ? Feb 06 04:37:48 I have quite a popular app as well so I think that'll help in getting a decent deal. Feb 06 04:37:53 none. Feb 06 04:38:00 but I can follow instructions Feb 06 04:38:45 Pashtunify: i recommend you follow the instructions on the url you posted then ... unfortunately without a linux commandline .. you may be a little out in the cold Feb 06 04:38:56 hi Feb 06 04:38:57 i suggest getting a vm installed of ubuntu or some such linux distro .. Feb 06 04:39:07 it will help tremendously with all of this stuff Feb 06 04:39:08 So Kristen M on Sprint Customer Service chat needs to make with the free developer line... Feb 06 04:39:36 bpadalino, can you help me out to do this? Feb 06 04:39:48 it's about 11:39p my time .. so i am about to go to bed .. Feb 06 04:39:57 there are VMWare Ubuntu images around .. Feb 06 04:40:05 just download one from wherever google tells you Feb 06 04:40:14 or you can do virtualbox .. Feb 06 04:40:18 whatever floats your boat Feb 06 04:41:04 bpadalino: Probably easier if he just downloads the SDK Feb 06 04:41:36 Smaller and it'll give him access to what he'll be working with on the phone. Feb 06 04:41:38 bpadalino: I'm thinking the easiest option would be to make him a doctor image with the key changes Feb 06 04:41:55 Kyusaku: teach a man to fish ... something something Feb 06 04:42:09 reality9110: yeah, but that kinda stinks because he is limited to what is on the phone - so git won't be there naturally Feb 06 04:42:19 yeah Feb 06 04:42:30 and relying on optware for those utilities is kind of crappy :( Feb 06 04:42:32 but this seems like a hella long fishing lesson Feb 06 04:42:45 and as you said it's getting late Feb 06 04:42:45 Kyusaku: but it's $20, man!! Feb 06 04:42:58 we're in same timezone Feb 06 04:43:56 ^5 timezone buddies Feb 06 04:44:23 ^5 Feb 06 04:51:29 Pashtunify: just wait for someone more awake than us to help you through the steps, it's certainly possible to do but very timeconsuming for a first timer Feb 06 04:53:19 hello all Feb 06 04:54:13 hey guys, I'm trying to submit a patch to dbsooner's patch feed, but it keeps telling me my email is invalid. It is a valid gmail address. Any ideas? Feb 06 04:56:30 alright I guess Feb 06 04:56:32 I mean, Feb 06 04:56:37 I really needs this done Feb 06 04:56:45 whoever wants to help, I will paypal the $20 Feb 06 05:00:44 Sprint CS is wavering... Feb 06 05:04:08 They should give me a free one. Sprint even advertises in my app. Feb 06 05:09:58 can someone check if ipv6 support is compiled into the webos kernel? or available as a module? no access to my phone right now Feb 06 05:26:17 tibfib no ideas and dbsooner isn't on line just now Feb 06 05:30:04 rick: yeah, I'll just look for him tomorrow Feb 06 05:55:17 Damn...got passed on to Sprint Professional Development Feb 06 06:06:39 Hi I'm having trouble trying to install Named Pages v6 wia WOSQI. I don't understand the error in the log. Can anyone help? Feb 06 06:15:18 Is anyone online? Feb 06 06:19:04 gollyzila: what's the error say? Feb 06 06:19:22 It's long. Where can i copy the log? Feb 06 06:20:32 take a screenshot of the interesting bit Feb 06 06:22:20 I'm going to upload it to my photobucket Feb 06 06:23:42 http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc160/gollyzila/Errorlog.png Feb 06 06:26:52 gollyzila: do you have any other launcher patches? Feb 06 06:27:02 yes i do. Feb 06 06:27:07 I'll list them Feb 06 06:27:15 4x4 v3 Feb 06 06:27:27 gesture tap info/delete Feb 06 06:27:32 add/delete pages Feb 06 06:27:51 hide music, nascar, sprint tv Feb 06 06:28:10 unhide developer mode Feb 06 06:28:57 are any of those patches conflicting? Feb 06 06:31:27 try uninstalling the first three you listed 1 at a time and try again to install the named pages. Feb 06 06:31:59 my guess is the gesture tap is the one giving you problems Feb 06 06:38:04 i already tried uninstalling 4x4 and gesture tap, then installing named pages, but it still gives an error. Feb 06 06:38:33 did you luna restart Feb 06 06:43:30 gollyzila: when i try it i get error w/ 4x4v3 ...v2 seems to work fine for me Feb 06 06:45:37 I don't really like v2 since the icons are smaller. I remember having named pages v6 and 4x4 v3 working at the same time, something else must be causing this error. Feb 06 06:46:16 rwhitby: Did the error log show any clues as to what was causing the error? Feb 06 06:46:57 gollyzila: you're not using Preware to install that patch Feb 06 06:47:07 correct Feb 06 06:47:18 well, that's your first mistake ;-) Feb 06 06:47:22 haha Feb 06 06:47:33 agreed Feb 06 06:47:36 but seriously, it looks like it's a normal conflict with some other patch touching the same files. Feb 06 06:48:18 ha. Well how can i install this patch without WOSQI? Feb 06 06:48:33 I tried this too for him through PreWare and i got errors w/ 4x4 v3 Feb 06 06:48:35 too Feb 06 06:48:49 PreWare Feb 06 06:49:50 But the patch isn't on the Preware feeds Feb 06 06:50:22 Yes it is Feb 06 06:50:48 available patches/app launcher Feb 06 06:51:17 The patch I'm trying to install is a newer version than the one on Prewarew Feb 06 06:52:20 gollyzila: so why haven't you submitted it? Feb 06 06:52:33 didnt notice a newer version in the thread Feb 06 06:52:35 It's not my patch Feb 06 06:55:11 dbsooner: ping Feb 06 06:55:37 * rwhitby bbl Feb 06 07:02:47 In the mean time, I'm trying to palm-package but CMD tells me 'java' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file. Feb 06 07:24:43 morning folks, could you please grep Hardware /proc/cpuinfo for me? Feb 06 07:40:42 anyone still up Feb 06 07:55:41 mickey|zzZZzz: Hardware : Sirloin OMAP3430 board Feb 06 07:56:01 (from http://www.ureader.de/msg/12763299.aspx) Feb 06 08:59:54 does anyone know what directory sync'd music goes to? Feb 06 12:45:17 why are no patches available in preware? Feb 06 13:39:55 hello, can someone help me Feb 06 13:40:14 installed dropbear with preware Feb 06 13:40:44 but getting server refused our key Feb 06 14:20:33 how can i prevent /usr/bin/TelephonyInterfaceLayerGsm from being automatically restarted? Feb 06 14:21:48 mickey|fosdem: rename the binary Feb 06 14:21:51 can you stop TelephoneInterfaceLayerGsm to remove it from the upstart daemon process list ? Feb 06 14:21:56 and then you have control over it Feb 06 14:21:58 mickey|fosdem: and then kill the process Feb 06 14:22:09 hmm Feb 06 14:22:12 that's quite intrusive Feb 06 14:22:22 mickey|fosdem: jup, but working :) Feb 06 14:22:27 hmm Feb 06 14:22:33 means i need to remount rw Feb 06 14:22:37 or fiddle with upstart Feb 06 14:22:41 mickey|fosdem: indeed Feb 06 14:30:39 * mickey|fosdem reads upstart docs Feb 06 14:30:40 and finds.... Feb 06 14:30:42 Feb 06 14:30:57 initctl stop TelephonyInterfaceLayer Feb 06 14:31:03 :D Feb 06 14:31:38 ok, now lets see whether serial_forward works now Feb 06 14:35:11 i should have put quotes around 'stop TelephoneInterfaceLayerGsm' :( Feb 06 14:40:23 hmm, can't connect Feb 06 14:40:31 perhaps iptables blocking it Feb 06 14:40:39 how can i remove everything in one go again? Feb 06 14:42:26 in iptables ? Feb 06 14:43:39 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo - looks like iptables -F will disable the firewall temporarily .. Feb 06 14:43:45 yep, that's it Feb 06 14:43:49 still can't connect though Feb 06 14:43:50 hmm Feb 06 14:43:52 ~seen morphis Feb 06 14:43:53 morphis <~morphis@p5489EF13.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko-cdevel, 4d 2h 7m 5s ago, saying: ':)'. Feb 06 14:46:55 hmm Feb 06 14:47:05 stopping the telephony interface layer seems to bring down more than just telephony Feb 06 14:47:11 can't ping the device anyomre Feb 06 14:48:15 can i get usbnet? Feb 06 14:48:29 :( Feb 06 14:49:10 mickey|fosdem, http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/USBnet_Setup Feb 06 14:49:56 "usbnet enable" Feb 06 14:49:57 heh Feb 06 14:50:00 i wish everything was that easy Feb 06 15:15:54 so what is everyone's experience with the hotspot app? Feb 06 15:16:10 memory leak, speed, and stability-wise Feb 06 15:39:55 ah! Feb 06 15:40:32 [2010-02-06 16:39:40] got 6 bytes from modem Feb 06 15:40:32 [2010-02-06 16:39:40] received SYNC RESP frame Feb 06 15:40:32 [2010-02-06 16:39:40] entering INIT state ... Feb 06 15:40:32 [2010-02-06 16:39:40] send CONFIG frame Feb 06 15:40:32 [2010-02-06 16:39:40] send frame to modem (seq=0x0, ack=0x0) Feb 06 15:40:36 it's doing something Feb 06 15:41:26 oooo what is that? Feb 06 15:42:48 got event: MSMCOMM_EVENT_RESET_RADIO_IND Feb 06 15:43:10 we're (finally) talking to the palm pre modem in binary mode Feb 06 15:48:47 got event MSMCOMM_EVENT_CALL_INCOMMING Feb 06 15:48:47 got event MSMCOMM_EVENT_CALL_END Feb 06 15:48:52 aww this is amazing Feb 06 15:49:09 holy crap Feb 06 15:49:22 this is a breakthrough Feb 06 15:51:33 that is amazing Feb 06 15:54:24 hi all Feb 06 15:55:50 mickey|fosdem: are there more details as to your work/environment/method that can be shared? Feb 06 15:55:58 widk again: I'm trying to build libgdbus, there was a Makefile in widk already, but almost empty. I added all required stuff now, but it doesn't find lubdbus-1, but this has been build for sure Feb 06 15:56:21 debilater: pastebins please Feb 06 15:56:24 zsoc: I'll do a blog posting when i get home from FOSDEM Feb 06 15:56:33 zsoc: watch http://www.vanille-media.de Feb 06 15:56:50 morphis did all the work, btw. Feb 06 15:57:00 zsoc: mompls Feb 06 15:57:07 mickey|fosdem: awesome ty... er.. what blog? and who is morphis? lol Feb 06 15:57:13 heh Feb 06 15:57:23 morphis is one of the freesmartphone.org team Feb 06 15:58:01 ah got it Feb 06 15:58:19 http://webos.pastebin.com/m64fae073 Feb 06 15:59:49 ah stupid -ldbus-1 :) Feb 06 16:00:00 debilater: pastebin the makefile too Feb 06 16:00:20 clearly it's not finding libdbus1.so :p Feb 06 16:01:53 the problem is that its configure doesn't find pkgconfig so I have to add DBUS_CFLAGS and stuff myself Feb 06 16:02:09 ah f*ck it tries pkgconfig anyways Feb 06 16:02:26 i really hate it Feb 06 16:02:34 ... Feb 06 16:02:40 configure: error: dbus-glib >= 0.71 is required Feb 06 16:02:59 $PKG_CONFIG is empty when configure runs Feb 06 16:03:18 and it ignores setting PKG_CONFIG_PATH Feb 06 16:03:39 so, where is pkgconfig? Feb 06 16:03:39 interesting Feb 06 16:04:09 sb2 -M /srv/preware/cross-compile/staging/mapping-armv7 pkgconfig Feb 06 16:04:11 I have had so package config problems with other reliant packages Feb 06 16:04:18 bin/bash: pkgconfig: command not found Feb 06 16:04:51 and their --help says DBUS_CFLAGS overrides the pkgconfig stuff Feb 06 16:04:53 haha Feb 06 16:06:28 what I meant to say was pkgconfig seems to be functioning as expected in my limited experience with using it in the widk Feb 06 16:06:54 ah it's called pkg-config Feb 06 16:07:12 ok now it works Feb 06 16:07:18 lol there you go Feb 06 16:07:38 such a nightmare, who pais me for that? :) Feb 06 16:07:47 s/pais/pays/ Feb 06 16:07:47 debilater meant: such a nightmare, who pays me for that? :) Feb 06 16:07:53 debilater: move to nonworking and push that makefile so others can test Feb 06 16:20:06 ok, next problem: http://webos.pastebin.com/m110efae8 Feb 06 16:22:47 debilater: that looks like a glib versioning issue. I would start by checking those files to see if thy are patched in webos Feb 06 16:23:32 zsoc: the glib-2.0 stuff was already there (not made by me) and it works for other builds (e.g. navit itself) :( Feb 06 16:23:57 zsoc: but I took the libgdbus sources from 1.3.5.2, I'll try 1.3.5 instead Feb 06 16:25:59 zsoc: no luck, same errors Feb 06 16:27:37 the problem is that glibconfig.h seems to be missing Feb 06 16:28:14 lol, it's in ../../staging/armv7/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include/glibconfig.h Feb 06 16:28:21 what the hell Feb 06 16:32:08 interesting. mobile hotspot seems to consume a lot of power. Feb 06 16:33:08 i'm charging the pre via a usb cable attached to the macbook and am seeing a net negative draw, that is I started with 100% and am now down to 71% Feb 06 16:33:53 jhojho: try plugging it into an outlet, you wont get as negative as a draw Feb 06 16:34:28 Tibfib: probably. but I brilliantly forgot to bring my charger. hence having to charge via macbook Feb 06 16:41:40 why are they putting include files into /usr/lib/dbus-1.0/include? what kind of moron does that?! Feb 06 16:43:22 aha: mainloop.c:30:37: error: dbus/dbus-glib-lowlevel.h: No such file or directory Feb 06 16:43:29 this file doesn't exit Feb 06 16:48:20 debilater: just saw your answer in forum, you need glib support for the event system Feb 06 16:48:30 debilater: i had to build glib for that Feb 06 16:48:39 mcmusik: glib is done Feb 06 16:48:55 mcmusik: mompls ... Feb 06 16:49:23 debilater: ok, then you should see "glib: yes" somewhere at the top of configure Feb 06 16:50:42 cmusik: it finds glib, it's missing dbus/dbus-glib-lowlevel.h Feb 06 16:52:22 debilater: i think i haven't build it with dbus support Feb 06 16:52:25 cmusik: I'm in the process of building libgdbus it's req. by navit. that is missing the above file. look at the current progress: http://webos.pastebin.com/d796b5f1 (Makefile on top) build in WIDK Feb 06 16:52:44 debilater: my first step was to have a map, and I failed with that Feb 06 16:53:17 cmusik: but without dbus and gpsd we won't have gps at all, will we? Feb 06 16:53:46 debilater: yes, but if we don't have a map, then we don't need gps ;) Feb 06 16:54:10 cmusik: well so let's build navit without map and gps support lol Feb 06 16:54:21 debilater: i wanted to keep the build simple in the first step Feb 06 16:54:37 cmusik: i see Feb 06 16:55:25 ok, i'll build it without dbus support just to see... Feb 06 16:59:09 debilater: I also had to replace SDL_HWSURFACE with SDL_SWSURFACE and remove SDL_DOUBLEBUF in navit/graphics/sdl/graphics_sdl.c Feb 06 16:59:38 cmusik: why? Feb 06 17:02:59 because it crashed Feb 06 17:11:17 cmusik: did you use the widk? Feb 06 17:12:27 I also installed sprint nav on my pre (fetched from sprints webos doctor image) but I failed to find any european or german maps for it :( Feb 06 17:13:13 debilater: yes, kindof - i build it and used sb2 to get a shell and build navit it in there Feb 06 17:13:42 cmusik: including palm's sdl libs and their patches? Feb 06 17:13:43 debilater: then make install DESTDIR=/tmp/navit and copied that directory to my phone Feb 06 17:13:49 debilater: yes Feb 06 17:13:53 ok Feb 06 17:14:39 isn't there any navtel maps warez site or something? :) Feb 06 17:22:19 wtf: sh: wmf2eps: not found Feb 06 17:27:29 awesome Feb 06 17:27:35 going to have to webosdoctor again I think Feb 06 17:27:52 dunno what preware did, but I can't get a shell via novacom or via terminal plugin Feb 06 17:27:59 it just says /opt/bin/bash permission deni8ed Feb 06 17:28:35 oh, nm, I got a shell via novaterm Feb 06 17:28:52 novacom ftw Feb 06 17:29:03 it wasn't working ... now it is Feb 06 17:30:38 oic Feb 06 17:30:40 goddamn it Feb 06 17:30:50 the optware event.d file screwed up my opt mount Feb 06 17:31:03 I submitted a patch for that like 2 months ago... I guess it didn't make it in yet Feb 06 17:32:18 I wonder if that's the only thing that went wrong though Feb 06 17:33:09 cmusik: so no that's it now without dbus: Feb 06 17:33:10 root@palm-webos-device: # bin/navit Feb 06 17:33:10 navit:navit_init:no graphics Feb 06 17:33:10 navit:main_real:Using '/media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/de.daemon.navit/share/navit/navit.xml' Feb 06 17:33:11 navit:event_main_loop_run:no event system set Feb 06 17:36:45 mickey|zzZZzz: awesome (re: actually using the radio in open source software) Feb 06 17:37:54 nope... after the reboot I can't run bash again Feb 06 17:37:57 mickey|zzZZzz: do you expect a lot more interest in FSO on the pre or at least a lot more progress faster, now? Feb 06 17:37:59 and noverterm can't start up either Feb 06 17:38:55 jettero: that sounds pretty bad Feb 06 17:39:02 yeah... Feb 06 17:39:09 I'm a little miffed about it Feb 06 17:39:12 I didn't think anything set bash to be your default shell Feb 06 17:39:29 seems like every time preware updates I have to fix something Feb 06 17:39:36 debilater: check in navit.xml that graphics is sdl and gui is internal Feb 06 17:39:49 jettero: you can always recover it by booting the installer image and mounting the drives but I can't really think of anything else unless you have ssh with another user set up with a non-bash shell Feb 06 17:40:10 what is booting the installer image and mount the drives? Feb 06 17:40:59 jettero: there's another kernel image and ramfs set up that the doctor uses to install the operating system. you can send it to bootie with "novacom boot" and novaterm into THAT shell Feb 06 17:41:14 you can think of it like a linux recovery disk Feb 06 17:42:18 debilater: you can try my navit.xml -> http://chr.senfdax.de/navit.xml Feb 06 17:42:29 jettero: basically if you don't have any user with a non-bash shell and you're trying to avoid doctoring you could always go that route and fix your passwd file to make root use /bin/sh again Feb 06 17:42:52 I don't understand how to do that... it says bad or error response unrecognized command when I novacom boot Feb 06 17:43:30 jettero: you need a file called nova-installer-image-castle.uImage Feb 06 17:43:41 extract doctor jar and look for it Feb 06 17:43:50 then you novacom boot mem:// < nova-installer-image-castle.uImage Feb 06 17:44:46 I wrote this up in http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Last_Resort_Emergency_BootLoader_Recovery (since you already have bootie you don't need to worry about the part at the top that has you USB-boot bootie to the OMAP3, Feb 06 17:45:35 where do you get this nova installer image? I have a doctor jar, but I don't see it in there Feb 06 17:48:31 jettero: it's in webos.tar Feb 06 17:49:03 cmusik: better but it crashes: http://webos.pastebin.com/m127085ab looks like a xml parser problem Feb 06 17:50:34 cmusik: i just replaced the osm map with my own Feb 06 17:51:02 destinal: well, I have the image, but when I try to boot mem:// it says unrecognized command still Feb 06 17:51:25 jettero: try rebooting into usb recovery mode first Feb 06 17:51:37 how do you do that? Feb 06 17:52:50 debilater: it's a problem with sdl, because the window couldn't be created - had this problem too Feb 06 17:52:52 power off the phone, then hold the volume up button and plug in USB cable Feb 06 17:53:37 debilater: try my graphics_sdl.c http://chr.senfdax.de/graphics_sdl.c Feb 06 17:53:46 jettero: if you do it right, you'll get a big USB logo. Feb 06 17:55:08 cmusik: ah the patch you were talking about... Feb 06 17:55:14 destinal: this is familiar... Feb 06 17:56:53 jettero: yeah, doctor does this same boot mem. of course this time we'll drive that shell and not doctor. (without doctor running, the installer image is just a linux boot disk) Feb 06 17:57:14 debilater: yes, in my file there is debugging enabled and some more changes which i'm not sure are needed ;) Feb 06 17:57:51 goddammit Feb 06 17:58:25 im using the svn version, there are images missing in svn, i added them yesterday. today another image is missing Feb 06 18:00:24 jettero: basically the doctor tells bootie over the novacom protocol to boot from this image it provides (same as we want to do) and then doctor novacom's to a shell and starts running commands on the device to set it up. in this case, we can do the same and use the shell for our own purposes Feb 06 18:01:02 cmusik: same error, but it seems to run somehow, black screen now Feb 06 18:01:07 I fat fingered the mem:// attack and it's stuck at palm... Feb 06 18:01:14 is the only way to shutdown pulling the battery? Feb 06 18:01:27 jettero: the palm logo is good Feb 06 18:01:33 jettero: what did you mistype? Feb 06 18:01:49 I didn't input the filename (didn't mean to hit enter yet) so it was reading console instead of image Feb 06 18:01:50 jettero: if you do it right, you'll just get a solid palm logo Feb 06 18:01:55 ah Feb 06 18:01:57 it started booting to the EOF char Feb 06 18:01:58 fail Feb 06 18:02:12 so yeah I'd pull the battery. Feb 06 18:02:51 you can do it also by holding the power button down and sliding the mute switch back and forth three times, and making sure you're holding down volume up when that works, but timing is tricky Feb 06 18:03:07 pfft Feb 06 18:03:11 sounds like a ten string in tekken Feb 06 18:03:25 ultra combo Feb 06 18:03:45 does the palm logo pulse when you push the uImage to it? Feb 06 18:03:52 nope, it'll go solid Feb 06 18:03:57 k k Feb 06 18:03:58 then you just wait a few seconds and run novaterm Feb 06 18:04:05 I'm going on a minute here... any idea how long it takes? Feb 06 18:04:21 jettero: nothing will happen on the screen, we're going to do everything via usb Feb 06 18:04:31 rock on, got shell Feb 06 18:04:32 cmusik: I assume it's missing images because of the wmf2eps errors earlier. since the svn version of navit is completely broken anyway, I'l now restart from scratch with latest release tarball Feb 06 18:04:36 didn't think to just try it Feb 06 18:04:36 heh Feb 06 18:05:07 so check out the commands I have here: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Last_Resort_Emergency_BootLoader_Recovery Feb 06 18:05:33 there are two lvm commands to run to get the volumes set up Feb 06 18:05:41 yeah, I seem to have my stores mounted Feb 06 18:05:46 cool Feb 06 18:07:37 cmusik: I've to eat something before and the dog wants out... Feb 06 18:07:43 * debilater is away [receiving transmission.../l:on] Feb 06 18:07:44 rebooting... Feb 06 18:08:11 I disabled my bash loader... still don't know how /opt mounts and has a bash and still can't execute it after testing [ -x /blarg/bash ]; but ... we'll just see Feb 06 18:08:21 jettero: cool, got your /etc/passwd fixed back up on the root store? Feb 06 18:08:31 /etc/passwd is /bin/sh Feb 06 18:08:52 - /mnt/root/etc/passwd I mean Feb 06 18:08:53 I just don't like terminal loading a root prompt, so I was exec su - jettero -c bash ing... but only after testing -x bash Feb 06 18:09:09 jettero: ah Feb 06 18:09:11 presumably root can execute bash, but jettero can't or something Feb 06 18:09:15 I'll finger it out Feb 06 18:09:23 jettero: cool deal. Feb 06 18:09:28 the recovery console was like Au+Ag = awesome Feb 06 18:11:09 jettero: I've used the installer image to fix up an upstart script I broke that stopped the boot process once. Feb 06 18:11:53 yeah, it's a most appreciated tip Feb 06 18:12:01 I figured I was starting from scratch again Feb 06 18:12:24 jettero: with omap3_usbload'ing bootie, we should be able to get a shell on any machine that doesn't have hardware damage Feb 06 18:13:11 though backing up the first 8 megs of flash is probably a good idea if we ever want to actually bring back a pre from total flash wipe Feb 06 18:13:15 debilaway: i'm using revision 2914 and this works Feb 06 18:18:05 jettero: I could give terminal a gui to select user, but I'm assuming that you wouldn't want someone to be able to select root again in a preferences screen. maybe a file on the filesystem? Feb 06 18:18:27 hrm, it seems preware is using the /media/cryptofs/apps directly to install packages, but then screwing up the /opt/bin/bash link to link over there and my jettero user can't use it Feb 06 18:18:39 I guess I can't maintain my own /opt anymore if preware is going to do taht Feb 06 18:19:05 destinal: yeah, I was cool doing the switch in .profile, but if there were fs support that'd be keen too Feb 06 18:19:19 strictly speaking you can get around .profile stuff Feb 06 18:19:30 although by the time they started doing that I'd punch them and take my phone back Feb 06 18:19:36 lol Feb 06 18:20:24 there we go Feb 06 18:20:52 presently I'm -d /opt/bin, -x /opt/bin/bash and then I don't use the bash exec anymore, I su and test $?, if that's 0, I exit .profile and if it's nonzero I keep booting as root Feb 06 18:20:58 I think I'm happy with that Feb 06 18:21:07 no need to add things to terminalplugin on my account Feb 06 18:22:29 I wish preware didn't try to use the cryptofs Feb 06 18:22:54 my loopback file method is much better in my opinion... and then non-root users can still execute binaries. :P Feb 06 18:23:35 this is one of the main problems with linux in general of course. I can do everything the way I want to do it, but then I have to maintain it Feb 06 18:23:42 jettero: ah, so you loopmount opt from a file in, where, /media/internal ? Feb 06 18:24:09 yeah, I started doing this back in 1.2 days. I made a huge 0.8gig /media/internal/opt.lp and then I moutn it from fstab Feb 06 18:24:17 it's regular old ext3 Feb 06 18:24:49 I hvae full vim, perl, a real bash, full gcc, and various other things I don't really need on a phone Feb 06 18:25:00 but preware is getting increasingly incompatible with that setup Feb 06 18:25:10 and with my non-root user login. ;) Feb 06 18:26:07 yeah, non-root login probably really only matters with having a terminal app. Feb 06 18:26:20 well, I don't like to ssh in as root either Feb 06 18:26:37 woulda saved me some work 40 minutes ago though Feb 06 18:26:55 i'm thinking about picking up one of these for an IRC/chat screen for my new laptop lol http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/usb-gadgets/c609/ Feb 06 18:27:00 jettero: it's all a function of how much stuff you do on the device that doesn't require root. for most users that's about zero Feb 06 18:27:06 for you it sounds like it's a lot higher :) Feb 06 18:27:17 :) Feb 06 18:27:18 indeed Feb 06 18:27:26 I do most things as me and only root things as root Feb 06 18:28:06 well, anyway, I"m fixed Feb 06 18:28:09 thanks for your help very much btw Feb 06 18:28:31 when the instructions had everyone creating non root users and using sudo and argued it was for security, my point was that sudo only helps if you're going to do nonprivileged things. people using the guides to get stuff going on their phones.. well, won't Feb 06 18:28:42 jettero: you're very welcome Feb 06 18:30:14 * destinal runs off to hunt down coffee Feb 06 18:30:35 destinal: you're very correct in general, but I use my phone as a terminal box to get to work over openvpn Feb 06 18:30:44 in that sense, I just need ssh, screen, and tcp/ip (no root) Feb 06 18:30:54 this is also an allowed behavior (ie, it is not tethering) Feb 06 18:39:35 question fellas, if im attempting to make a patch and im using the quilt commands and going to be altering appinfo.json i need to add quilt add /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.appYouWantToMod/app/controllers/mod-assistant.js Feb 06 18:40:38 jettero: it didn't occur to me earlier but you could also have used novacom get and novacom put to fix up your files if you knew exactly which ones Feb 06 18:40:50 jettero: novacom has a lot of features Feb 06 18:43:59 quilt files Feb 06 18:44:38 farms: I never learned quilt, sorry. Feb 06 18:45:20 mmk, ill log on later. Im pretty sure when quilting i need to specify each file specifically that is changing Feb 06 18:45:34 it was briefly used a lot for webos-internals hacking but then dropped Feb 06 18:45:52 some people here will know how you can use it though Feb 06 18:46:11 im using it to create a patch to hide vz navigator on the pre plus Feb 06 18:46:42 farms: why quilt, why not just edit the file to change the visible attribute to false and then use diff to make your patch? Feb 06 18:47:12 cause i couldnt find a tutorial of diff on web-os internals Feb 06 18:47:15 lol :p Feb 06 18:47:43 farms: someone should put a deprecated header on the quilt stuff, nobody here really uses it for patch development anymore Feb 06 18:48:10 farms: you can find howto's on diff and patch, but it's general unix / linux stuff, not webos specific Feb 06 18:48:18 it's really really easy Feb 06 18:50:59 is it on web os internals? Feb 06 18:51:08 im good with directions Feb 06 18:51:11 no, you need to google it :) Feb 06 18:51:53 Feb 06 18:51:59 * debilater is back [/bin/back/gone: 44m16s] Feb 06 18:53:33 i found a simple guide Feb 06 18:55:16 im gonna get ready for work, ill ttyl ty tho destinal Feb 06 18:55:30 # cd /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.musicplayer Feb 06 18:55:30 # cp appinfo.json appinfo.json.original Feb 06 18:55:31 ( edit appinfo.json, add line with "visible": false, that is not the last line) Feb 06 18:55:31 # diff -u appinfo.json.original appinfo.json > hidemusicplayer.patch Feb 06 18:55:36 something like that Feb 06 19:01:22 ok :) ill get the patch out today after work Feb 06 19:01:55 gtg tho ttyl Feb 06 19:42:54 hello, can anyone help me with the omap3_usbload application? Feb 06 19:44:52 you want to reprogram the flash ? Feb 06 19:45:41 i'm trying to get my pre into recovery mode because the touchscreen is unresponsive, but the 'hold volume up while booting' procedure doesnt work, so im assuming the volume up key doesnt work Feb 06 19:46:17 and this method looks as if it puts it into recovery mode without needing the volume up key, am i correct? Feb 06 19:46:29 i have no idea .. how do you have such a busted pre ? Feb 06 19:47:05 well its not so much 'busted', just the touchscreen is unresponsive, it works, but its just unresponsive atm Feb 06 19:47:13 a common problem i hear Feb 06 19:47:32 have you ever done the volume up procedure before ? Feb 06 19:49:09 its a friends pre, im pretty sure the volume up button works though :/ at least it did when he managed to do the procedure Feb 06 19:49:40 i've been chatting to the pre technical support, none of their recovery mode procedures work, but theyre willing to take it for repairs i think, just waiting for them to get back to me Feb 06 19:49:55 in the meantime, i thought i'd try this last resort method Feb 06 19:50:12 so you've taken out the battery and plugged the usb into the pre side .. hold volume up .. then plug it into the pc ? Feb 06 19:50:12 but i cant get the OMAP3_USBloader to install :S Feb 06 19:50:17 yeah i have Feb 06 19:50:23 i'm really tried of cocksuckers trying to sell apps on the pre. Feb 06 19:50:39 interesting Feb 06 19:51:40 can only assume the volume up key is broken Feb 06 19:51:52 which i would live with for now if the touchscreen worked Feb 06 19:52:04 sorry Feb 06 19:52:55 kreiger: do you have a linux box to work on? Feb 06 19:53:08 crazy. button must be broken then Feb 06 19:53:10 im currently on linux now Feb 06 19:53:16 bootie only tests that button, nothing else Feb 06 19:53:34 it just samples that button and VBUS on usb Feb 06 19:53:44 kreiger: with omap3 boot and the battery out you don't need volume up Feb 06 19:54:04 yeah it looks that way, but i can't get omap3 boot to install or work Feb 06 19:54:22 kreiger: do you have libusb-dev installed? Feb 06 19:55:09 i shall check Feb 06 19:55:53 yeah, our cpuboot is pretty much the same thing Feb 06 19:55:57 but i guess we didn't release it Feb 06 19:56:21 yeah - not sure if it's still included in the webos doctor images or not Feb 06 19:56:32 geist: the mac SDK had it Feb 06 19:56:39 geist: which is weird that just that one did Feb 06 19:56:52 it was a mistake Feb 06 19:57:24 i am sure cpuboot wouldn't feel happy if it heard you saying that :( Feb 06 19:57:47 yeah well there are other problems wiht it Feb 06 19:58:17 like the redheaded stepchild at palm Feb 06 19:59:17 errr, think i have libusb-dev installed Feb 06 19:59:35 if i didnt i do now, and my 'make' no longer fails for the omap3 Feb 06 19:59:45 but its still 'not a recognised command' Feb 06 19:59:54 kreiger: you need to copy it to /usr/local/bin Feb 06 20:00:26 what exactly am i copying? the entire folder structure of the archive download? Feb 06 20:00:41 just the compiled binary Feb 06 20:01:02 ah yes Feb 06 20:01:15 kreiger: sudo cp omap3_usbload /usr/local/bin Feb 06 20:01:22 the article has that Feb 06 20:01:31 yeah, done, thanks Feb 06 20:01:45 Is there a way to add custom feeds to Preware? Feb 06 20:01:46 and now the command works :) Feb 06 20:02:14 gollyzila: should be up in your preferences .. manage feeds or something ? Feb 06 20:02:17 and i have recovery mode! Feb 06 20:02:21 thanks a lot! Feb 06 20:02:28 why are retards trying to sell simple apps? Feb 06 20:02:40 apps like pack and ship are 99 cents on the iphone. why is it 5 bucks over here? Feb 06 20:02:47 kreiger: you're welcome. what was the goal, to wipe it or get something off of it or redoctor? Feb 06 20:03:01 it goes to a fucking website and pulls down info. it's nothing special Feb 06 20:03:41 kreiger: (don't forget to put in the battery before continuing) :) Feb 06 20:03:43 Bpadalino: The option isn't there anymore. I know there is a way through the .conf files, but I don't know exactly Feb 06 20:04:05 erm, the touchscreen is unresponsive, it works though, has done a couple of times, so i just wanna reinstall the OS Feb 06 20:04:19 and i was just putting in the battery as i read that :P Feb 06 20:04:31 oh, then i guess i am clueless .. sorry Feb 06 20:04:33 kreiger: ah, cool. yeah, you should be able to doctor now, hopefully that fixes your issue Feb 06 20:04:44 i should just /part the channel .. i have no idea what's going on :( Feb 06 20:04:49 anyone got an answer to my question? Feb 06 20:05:13 mtm: just don't buy it then Feb 06 20:05:39 i'm content with just resetting the trial every 7 days. i'd like to buy it, but the price is a ripoff Feb 06 20:05:58 mtw: : it's because there's no competition. There's no need to drop prices to compete with anyone Feb 06 20:06:09 perhaps that should be fixed. Feb 06 20:06:40 mtm: once we have one zillion ifart apps there will be competition... Feb 06 20:06:48 Once there multiple apps that have the same functionality there will be price drops. Feb 06 20:06:48 right, i'll see what i can get done for now :P i may be back Feb 06 20:06:52 thanks for the help so far! Feb 06 20:07:21 technically, pack and ship is breaking the UPS.com eula Feb 06 20:07:27 it shouldn't even exist. Feb 06 20:07:37 destinal: : how do I add custom feeds to Preware? Feb 06 20:07:45 cmusik: did imagemagick work for you with sb2? Feb 06 20:08:20 gollyzila: all the feeds are in /media/cryptofs/apps/etc/ipkg IIRC Feb 06 20:08:51 you could copy one, give it a new name, point it at a feed URL, and ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps update Feb 06 20:09:16 (which actually that last command is something preware will do for you also) Feb 06 20:10:08 mtm: so, just hack the app and remove the period checking :) Feb 06 20:10:53 too much effort. currently i'm just deleting its config files Feb 06 20:10:59 feel free to hack it for me, though Feb 06 20:11:00 lol Feb 06 20:12:22 sigh. Feb 06 20:16:03 fuck it, i'm removing the damn check Feb 06 20:16:04 tired of this shit Feb 06 20:23:26 Thanks destinal-away Feb 06 20:25:07 gollyzila: did you get an answer on how to add feeds to preware? what was it? Feb 06 20:26:44 Yes I did. You have to navigate to /media/cryptofs/apps/etc/ipkg and copy on of the conf files. Then give it a new name, point it at a feed URL and copy it back into your phone. Then start up Preware Feb 06 20:27:28 I have a Pre that in order to transfer my new #, had to do orange-sym-r, and now it seems to be stuck. I tried removing the battery, but no amount of tugging on the black tab seems to coax it from it's hiding place. Feb 06 20:27:28 gollyzila: OK thanks. Feb 06 20:27:59 BoomerET: yeah they can be in there pretty tight. mine is too Feb 06 20:28:19 I was afraid I might break something. Feb 06 20:28:25 I guess they overcompensated for the early problem of loose batteries Feb 06 20:28:44 I'm not saying you won't break anything :-) Feb 06 20:28:57 but I haven't broken mine yet and have pulled the battery about tem times Feb 06 20:29:06 I got it out, but I'm not happy about it :) Feb 06 20:29:24 hi, has anyone been playing around with cover images for the music player? I've updated all my music to include embedded cover art, but the music player only displays some images and I can't figure out which it likes and which not... seems like it displays PNG and Mp3, size between 150x150 and 300x300 but it does not work for all :( Feb 06 20:34:10 cmusik: are u alive? Feb 06 20:34:44 debilater: yes Feb 06 20:35:19 cmusik: navit is running: http://www.23hq.com/4937299/5352771_767cf1b69346f5e44cbcaa8d7fbb6eba_large.jpg Feb 06 20:35:34 cmusik: however there are no controls or anything Feb 06 20:35:44 cmusik: but no crash at least Feb 06 20:36:02 debilater: yes, this is the image I also have Feb 06 20:36:18 cmusik: ok :) Feb 06 20:36:29 cmusic: so now? :) Feb 06 20:36:44 debilater: the problem no is that the eventloop is not running, so no controls are possible Feb 06 20:37:09 cmusik: aha Feb 06 20:37:36 debilater: you could check that with gdb and you would see in bt that there is something waiting for sem_wait Feb 06 20:38:53 debilater: thats the point where my knowledge stops, i have no idea whats going wrong there Feb 06 20:39:25 debilater: and because the code is missing for the ncard class Feb 06 20:45:00 I'm trying to create a script for obtaining a new ip address. However, when I do a simple ifconfig ppp0 down followed by a dhclient-script, I get a new IP address, but I'm no longer able to do something network related...say browse the web. Feb 06 20:45:08 Anybody know what might be the issue? Feb 06 20:45:23 whats the user/pass for openssh Feb 06 20:45:33 i got it all going, just need the login details Feb 06 20:45:50 mtm: user palm, password palm of course Feb 06 20:45:53 thanks Feb 06 20:46:03 doesn't work Feb 06 20:46:06 weird... Feb 06 20:46:17 i got it all going, setup, i can ssh in and get a login prompt, but that pass doesn't work Feb 06 20:46:25 mtm: just kidding :) Feb 06 20:46:33 got a real answer, fucker? Feb 06 20:46:46 mtw: It's passwordless and uses keys Feb 06 20:47:16 well, that is not working Feb 06 20:47:21 mtm: nope, darling Feb 06 20:47:27 learn how to read Feb 06 20:47:29 MTW. Feb 06 20:47:37 mtw: Works just fine over here. Feb 06 20:47:40 fuck off if you have nothing worthwhile to say Feb 06 20:48:01 not this again. Feb 06 20:48:11 mtm: read the wiki about linux access Feb 06 20:49:25 So...anyway, back to networking... Feb 06 20:49:25 ... Feb 06 20:49:35 fucking pricks in here Feb 06 20:49:41 have to do twenty things to get ssh working Feb 06 20:49:47 it should just be a password, but noooo Feb 06 20:49:51 dude, chill out Feb 06 20:49:56 fuck you. Feb 06 20:50:05 someone kick him, please Feb 06 20:50:09 mtw: Feel free to make your own package. Feb 06 20:50:24 Nobody is stopping you Feb 06 20:50:31 how about the webos-internals retards do it right Feb 06 20:50:34 mtw: have you created a login and password for ssh? Feb 06 20:50:37 passwords. just install it and it works. simple. Feb 06 20:50:56 not this generating certs bullshit Feb 06 20:51:04 mtw: Go cry elsewhere, kid. Feb 06 20:51:10 just ignore him Feb 06 20:51:11 added to ignore. Feb 06 20:51:17 who's next? Feb 06 20:51:19 Hey mtw, I can help you. Feb 06 20:51:27 i did not create a password, no Feb 06 20:51:27 dont feed the asshole Feb 06 20:51:37 im following the guide now Feb 06 20:51:40 will be done in a min Feb 06 20:51:47 Which guide? Feb 06 20:52:08 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:OpenSSH Feb 06 20:52:15 almost done, cert gened and the shit Feb 06 20:53:36 Blegh, that looks nasty involved. I've used this guide to setup SSH. It's way easier. http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Next_steps Feb 06 20:54:24 if these retards weren't too busy sucking each others dicks while banging away in linux, we would be miles ahead of where we are right now Feb 06 20:54:30 thanks for that tut, that looks far easier Feb 06 20:56:44 Yeah it is. I don't understand why they don't stay with that way instead of the more difficult way. They should make a one-time-install package in Preware that'll install SSH and open up Terminal to setup the rest,right on the phone. Feb 06 20:57:02 because they are linux elitists Feb 06 20:57:14 they don't realize that their bullshit discourages development Feb 06 20:58:04 I don't understand. What BS are they saying? Feb 06 20:58:11 dude, dont feed him Feb 06 21:00:15 I'm neutral on all this. I'm just trying to hear both sides of the situation. I'd really like to hear his reasoning why he dislikes webos-internals. Feb 06 21:00:41 i can understand if he has grievances, but he's a total asshole about it Feb 06 21:00:42 linux elitists too busy doing everything the absolute hardest way possible to make a package for normal users Feb 06 21:00:58 the iphone guys were doing ssh this way for what, two days? even on 1.0 they had simple SSH packages Feb 06 21:01:01 click, install, done Feb 06 21:01:07 and doesn't deserved to be acknowledged Feb 06 21:04:02 what's up this weekend geist ? Feb 06 21:04:16 not much. gonna go to tahoe tonight or tomorrow probably Feb 06 21:04:55 I do agree with mtw that there should be a simple SSH package like on the iphone. Feb 06 21:05:42 But I wouldn't call webos-internals linux elitists. Just look at Preware and WOSQI Feb 06 21:05:47 in fact, i'd go a step further and say that they should do everything like the iphone guys do it Feb 06 21:07:24 geist, how long is the drive to tahoe ? Feb 06 21:07:54 bout 3 hours or s Feb 06 21:07:58 depends on the weather mostly Feb 06 21:10:18 mtw: the iphone guys have had over 3 years to grow to where they are now. Webos-internals hasn't gotten to a year yet. As time goes by, and the webos community and homebrew demand grows, we'll see easier methods for everything hacking related. Feb 06 21:10:29 they were beyond where you were 3 fucking months in Feb 06 21:10:49 3 months in on a closed platform and they had an installer and a ssh package that just worked Feb 06 21:10:53 you don't have that yet. Feb 06 21:11:22 this is because the webos-internals guys are fucking tools who do not care about the users, who only do that absolute least work required Feb 06 21:11:25 geist, not too bad .. have a superbowl thing going on there or something ? Feb 06 21:11:58 it's too bad, as webos is so obviously the best phone os at the moment. the community is just horrible Feb 06 21:12:53 That's very true (about the iphone guys). Well the webos-internal guys aren't obligated to do what they're doing. They could drop everything and go on with their lives if they wanted to Feb 06 21:13:04 great. they should Feb 06 21:13:11 worthwhile people will fill the void Feb 06 21:13:52 What if those worthwhile people are already involved with iphone. What will become of webos? Feb 06 21:14:22 grah, i can't stand this troll feeding Feb 06 21:14:24 later Feb 06 21:14:44 there are more worthwhile people than just the guys hacking the shit out of the iphone Feb 06 21:15:22 We're just having a discussion about webos internals. I see no troll feeding here. Feb 06 21:16:26 mtw, what's your deal now ? Feb 06 21:17:26 excuse me? Feb 06 21:17:33 I guess that could be true. But unfortunately webos is still young and not that popular in the mainstream media. Feb 06 21:17:35 i am asking what you're complaining about Feb 06 21:17:36 for the record, in the english language, we don't put a space before the question mark Feb 06 21:18:16 ? note ? taken? ?? ? ?? Feb 06 21:18:27 Uhhh mtw, you haven't been putting periods after your sentences Feb 06 21:18:39 And neither do I apparently. Feb 06 21:18:42 keep butchering my language and you will wind up on my ignore list so fast your head will spin Feb 06 21:19:13 did you try the openssh package available in preware ? Feb 06 21:19:28 i eventually got it working Feb 06 21:19:30 after serious effort Feb 06 21:19:40 this should just be a one click, bam, works kind of thing Feb 06 21:19:48 not an adventure in terminal Feb 06 21:19:50 which i am telling you has been done for months in preware Feb 06 21:19:56 you click OpenSSH and install Feb 06 21:20:00 bpadalino: yes he did, but it gets really involved to create the keys and crap. Feb 06 21:20:35 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Next_steps I like this method over the key generating Feb 06 21:22:00 to be fair, i was only sshing in to do bad things Feb 06 21:22:03 but in the end i got it working Feb 06 21:23:04 mtw: maybe it was karma Feb 06 21:23:05 mtw, good job Feb 06 21:23:14 lol, golly Feb 06 21:23:24 hi, i once installed virtual keyboard, but deinstalled it, i wanted to reinstall it today, but i always get "ErrorGenericMethodExpection: Failure during post-install script execution", installing that cleanup vkb files thing doesnt help, what could i do? Feb 06 21:23:31 consider donating to webos internals Feb 06 21:23:45 Toaster: Upgrade your version of preware Feb 06 21:23:54 the second they stop being elitist fucks i'll give them money Feb 06 21:24:01 i just updated it Feb 06 21:24:06 bpadalino: He doesn't have any money Feb 06 21:24:14 lies. Feb 06 21:24:29 mtw, how are they being "elitist fucks" - please, enlighten me Feb 06 21:24:37 Toaster: Do you see the old package? Feb 06 21:24:44 nop Feb 06 21:24:52 its deinstalled just as wanted Feb 06 21:24:57 the linux faggotry needs to stop. i do not want to see tux plastered all over my phone Feb 06 21:25:02 openssh should be a one click installer Feb 06 21:25:05 thats about it Feb 06 21:25:11 Toaster: In Preware that is... Feb 06 21:25:39 mtw: Then do it on your own. Feb 06 21:25:45 that's a viable option Feb 06 21:25:57 but, cleanup vkb files doesnt even work i guess, at least it doesnt deinstal itself Feb 06 21:26:23 and, sorry, my english is quite bad, i know :\ what exactly do you mean reality9110? Feb 06 21:27:58 Linux should get an updated mascot. Maybe a dragon or something cool like that. I wouldn't mind a dragon all over my phone Feb 06 21:28:15 a dragon ? Feb 06 21:28:54 i am not a "linux person". just because my phone is based on it does not mean i want anything to do with the faggotry that goes on with linux users Feb 06 21:29:26 A dragon looks cooler than a penguin Feb 06 21:29:53 feel free to package up DragonWare and rip off the webos-internals repo Feb 06 21:31:11 lol wtf Feb 06 21:31:33 cmusik: I can't run it with strace it's locked in ioctl(11, KDGKBENT, 0x9e9ae61c) = 0 Feb 06 21:32:25 mmm teenaged angst Feb 06 21:32:36 Hahaha Feb 06 21:33:45 Anybody know how to stop and start networking services correctly? Seems that DNS just dies after doing an ifconfig ppp0 down, ifconfig ppp0 up, dhclient-script Feb 06 21:33:55 cmusik: and if I run it with gdb I enter 'run' and cannot quit it or anything, so do I get a bt of it? Feb 06 21:34:29 reality9110: start networking and stop networking Feb 06 21:35:34 Still can't ping google after doing a start networking Feb 06 21:35:51 debilater: with strace it's really slow, just wait a bit and after that you will get other lines (or 2>&1 | grep -v "ioctl(11, KDGKBENT,") Feb 06 21:36:12 debilater: in gdb you can do ctrl-c and you will get to the gdb shell Feb 06 21:36:53 hey, look at me, still waiting for 1.4 Feb 06 21:37:00 i hate the wait in between updates Feb 06 21:37:04 (all the time) Feb 06 21:37:35 anyone remember the old long way of rooting the pre? Feb 06 21:38:19 if it classifys as "back in the day we used to..." i dont remember :P Feb 06 21:38:21 yes .. on a mbp .. typing "novaterm" Feb 06 21:38:25 debilater: "info threads" - should show you 2 threads, with "thread 2" you can switch to the other thread Feb 06 21:38:27 it was amazing Feb 06 21:38:38 in fact i was sitting in this exact same chair Feb 06 21:38:58 did i do it? yes. do i remember how i did? no way. Feb 06 21:39:29 no, i am serious .. i sat right here and typed "novaterm" .. Feb 06 21:40:10 that was the "old long way" :( Feb 06 21:43:49 im doing something i havent done in a long time Feb 06 21:43:51 IM DOCTORING Feb 06 21:43:56 *dramatic music* Feb 06 21:49:40 hm, just ran a netstat -altp and webos keeps a connection to some amazon servers open, process is LunaSysMgr, which could be everything... any ideas what the palm sends there? Feb 06 21:50:11 credit card info, bank info, personal pictures Feb 06 21:50:12 just a guess. Feb 06 21:51:19 sounds about right to me Feb 06 21:53:29 thats why i keep a picture of an old fat lady on my phone at all times. Feb 06 21:53:33 jokes on them, ya know? Feb 06 21:54:14 could you send me a picture of you Decimate? i think the idea with the lady is wonderful :) Feb 06 21:54:50 :P sorry to disappoint, 14 year old boy. complete opposite :P Feb 06 21:56:43 i just doctored. Feb 06 21:56:49 im going to go patch free till 1.4 Feb 06 21:56:50 uuuh this would get me into legal problems, what about your older sister? Feb 06 21:56:52 ive decided its best. Feb 06 21:57:00 patch free is crazy Feb 06 21:57:03 no sister :P Feb 06 21:57:19 no faith in AUPT? Feb 06 21:57:25 I could vomit only when I see standard 3x3 launcher Feb 06 21:57:28 i just wanna try it out Feb 06 21:57:38 i was gonna say bsm, i was going to try my 4x4 patch Feb 06 21:57:48 not all these ones in preware, the one i made first :P Feb 06 21:59:40 no, ill keep 3x3 Feb 06 22:02:02 got sign in failed when trying to sign into my palm profile Feb 06 22:09:43 ahhh webos... *washes stink of objective-c off* Feb 06 22:10:25 morning Feb 06 22:10:34 mornin rod Feb 06 22:10:52 I think I may need a real shower ;) bbl Feb 06 22:14:38 morning rwhitby Feb 06 22:16:11 is there anyway to add the testing feed to preware? Feb 06 22:18:00 jettero: what is the bash install doing wrong? Feb 06 22:18:08 ~testing-feed Feb 06 22:18:09 i heard testing-feed is a means of testing new WebOS Internals products, documented at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds Feb 06 22:21:58 I see mtw graced us again overnight with his erudite use of the english language. Feb 06 22:22:05 hi can t instal virtual keyboard Feb 06 22:37:12 having bit of a problem installing preware on pre plus...anyone around to help? Feb 06 22:45:05 floridarandy: what instructions are you following? Feb 06 22:45:14 So we now have a German translation for Preware :-) Feb 06 22:45:30 the install guide on preware.com Feb 06 22:45:55 or preware.org that is Feb 06 22:46:56 floridarandy: http://install.preware.org/ ? Feb 06 22:47:04 which step are you up to? Feb 06 22:53:04 sorry....mrs arrived with groceries in back of car :) Feb 06 22:53:57 ok...in step 3 the preware.Jr says unable to find webosdoctor.jar file...ensure it sin the same direcotr as the installer Feb 06 22:54:14 its in the folder i downloaded the newest webos dr for my phone so not sure what's going on Feb 06 22:55:18 i downloaded both the preware.jar and preware.exe Feb 06 22:55:43 if i try the exe file the IPKG Installer windwo says the Palm NOvacom servie was not found on this computer Feb 06 22:58:33 floridarandy: did you rename the webos doctor file to the filename that it wants? Feb 06 22:58:54 egaudet: ping >> pm Feb 06 22:59:04 that was totally non-obvious to me when I did it Feb 06 22:59:14 as was finding the name it wants Feb 06 22:59:25 webos doctor files were zipped. when unzipped there are 3 folders...COM, META-INF and RESOURCES Feb 06 22:59:42 don't unzip them Feb 06 23:00:21 rwhitby, bip is awesome. Feb 06 23:00:27 ah....just leave the zip file in the folder Feb 06 23:00:31 * dBsooner loves his Bip. Feb 06 23:00:42 floridarandy: it's not a zip file, it's a .jar fie Feb 06 23:00:43 file Feb 06 23:01:19 oh god, i just got the "but wont i lose all my music if i uninstall itunes?" question Feb 06 23:01:36 head.sql > desk Feb 06 23:02:18 isn't a .jar zipped? Feb 06 23:02:37 jars are cabinats Feb 06 23:02:43 tlp: a jar is in fact a tar file Feb 06 23:02:45 not necessarily "zipped" Feb 06 23:02:48 I could have sworn they were zip files. Weird. Feb 06 23:03:16 ok...redoig Feb 06 23:03:38 jars ar zips Feb 06 23:04:01 jars are jars Feb 06 23:04:13 jars happen to have the same file format as zips, but if you have a .zip file extension the preware installer will not work Feb 06 23:04:20 it's more similar to a .cab than a .zip Feb 06 23:04:32 that's what I said acydlord Feb 06 23:04:36 /home/tlp/.wine/drive_c/ddo/browser/chrome/comm.jar: Zip archive data, at least v1.0 to extract Feb 06 23:04:40 Jars are cabinats Feb 06 23:05:08 all ok....will check back if i have further issues....thanks Feb 06 23:05:11 (just found a random Java Archive and ran 'file' on it) Feb 06 23:05:31 jars are zips Feb 06 23:05:41 anyway, sort of a digression. Feb 06 23:05:47 jars are jars Feb 06 23:05:50 end of story. Feb 06 23:06:00 that too, but not cab Feb 06 23:06:05 with or without cookies Feb 06 23:06:22 the jar format is zip with certain defined contents. Feb 06 23:06:26 haha. Yes, a jar is more than just an archive, but I was fairly certain they were compressed/packaged as a standard zip file Feb 06 23:06:33 right Feb 06 23:07:02 not tar, not cab. zip. Feb 06 23:07:09 not zip Feb 06 23:07:11 jar Feb 06 23:07:14 :D Feb 06 23:07:14 yes zip Feb 06 23:07:17 no. jar. Feb 06 23:07:23 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JAR_(file_format) Feb 06 23:07:33 A jar is not a zip, its a jar. Feb 06 23:07:43 otherwize it would be a zip. ;) Feb 06 23:07:45 semantics :p Feb 06 23:07:58 and wikipedia is always right? Feb 06 23:08:19 no, I just know it's a zip file from experience, the file command, and KEYofR :p Feb 06 23:08:27 a jar is a zip. what you mean is a zip is not necessarily a jar, but a jar IS always a zip. Feb 06 23:08:45 right Feb 06 23:09:53 similar to how .czb or whatever they are (comic book files) are just rar files with a certain directory structure Feb 06 23:10:24 .cbr* Feb 06 23:10:43 and windows is just unix with a different everything Feb 06 23:10:56 zip is less specific about the contents, and so, all jars ARE zips. they are ALSO jars, but this does not make them not-zips. You'r attempt at strict unambiguous communication has failed and is in fact less accurate. Feb 06 23:11:34 not a fair comparison, acydlord Feb 06 23:14:15 MAybe wikipedia isn't, but uh, you know those guys who wrote java?: http://java.sun.com/javase/6/docs/technotes/guides/jar/jar.html#Intro Feb 06 23:14:50 acydlord, not everything Feb 06 23:14:52 meh, I just wanted to see if my memory is wrong. Feb 06 23:14:57 heh Feb 06 23:18:31 Dang I keep missing destinal.. wanted to say that Terminal hasn't locked up or rebooted luna once since the terminal service update a few weeks ago. Feb 06 23:19:17 sweet Feb 06 23:19:19 maybe I'll re-install it Feb 06 23:19:33 I've been using PuffTheMagic's Terminus thing for simple stuff Feb 06 23:20:27 The refurbished Pre I got via Sprint's insurance plan is in better condition than the new Pre I bought. Feb 06 23:20:32 slider is perfect Feb 06 23:21:10 no gap, and the wobble is practically non-existent. We'll see how it holds up over the course of 6 months. Feb 06 23:41:03 KEYofR: good to know, thanks Feb 06 23:41:23 tlp: the terminal fix and terminus in the main feed came out like the same night Feb 06 23:41:44 long time back Feb 06 23:43:34 I don't see Terminus in preware, and I'm confused about all the talk about color. Terminal supports color just fine. I use it daily. Just install the un-hardcode-term patch and /etc/profile will stop hardcoding TERM=vt100 Feb 06 23:44:40 I have the initial terminus installed manually since I was in-channel when Puff finished it, so I'd like a nice packaged version and the faster start-time if it exists. Feb 06 23:45:06 for instance, currently, I have to use Terminal to run Terminus! Feb 06 23:49:12 debilater: ping Feb 06 23:52:03 rwhitby: yup Feb 06 23:52:24 debilater: do you need any repos or packaging support for navit? Feb 06 23:52:38 cmusik: I asked on #navit about the problem, see http://forums.precentral.net/2206305-post18.html Feb 06 23:53:12 rwhitby: nope I think it will take some time until we have a running app (weeks? months?) Feb 06 23:53:31 debilater: but a repo to colllaborate in would be useful, no? Feb 06 23:53:34 rwhitby: we'll have to write our own sdl even loop for webos-navit Feb 06 23:53:44 debilater: just reading it, i will try to implement it tomorrow Feb 06 23:53:55 rwhitby: there's nonworking/navit already Feb 06 23:54:07 debilater: ok, cool. Feb 06 23:54:10 cmusik: so are you familiar with sdl? Feb 06 23:54:31 debilater: not really, but after that i will be for sure ;) Feb 06 23:54:43 cmusik: definetly :) Feb 06 23:55:32 rwhitby: but I'd need such for stella, it works so far, I have some keymapping issues left and need a simple launcher app around it Feb 06 23:56:41 debilater: what is stella? Feb 06 23:57:07 nes emulator IIRC Feb 06 23:57:50 oops Feb 06 23:57:53 Atari 2600 VCS emulator Feb 06 23:58:09 http://stella.sourceforge.net/ Feb 06 23:58:37 Anyone in the channel with German language set on their Pre? Feb 06 23:58:41 lol I used to love Chopper Command Feb 06 23:59:34 rwhitby: yes, atari2600 emulator, I "played" mario brother yesterday, the only thing I can do so far is to jump :) Feb 06 23:59:51 are there any jump-only games? :) Feb 07 00:00:03 Preware 0.9.20 with german support is now in the testing feed. Feb 07 00:00:18 jumprope 1, 2, and extreme Feb 07 00:00:46 jacques: ah cool Feb 07 00:01:13 debilater: so an org.webosinternals.stella repo? Feb 07 00:01:30 rwhitby: I'd say, yes Feb 07 00:02:10 rwhitby: but I'm unsure about the name, noone will associate "stella" with atari or something... Feb 07 00:03:05 debilater: no-one see's the package name. The Title will be "Stella Atari 2600 VCS Emulator" or something Feb 07 00:03:21 rwhitby: ah, ok then :) Feb 07 00:04:11 debilater: games/stella is ready for you Feb 07 00:05:40 rwhitby: ah great, thx Feb 07 00:09:13 Can I have two testers for Preware 0.9.20 in the testing feed please? Feb 07 00:09:46 rwhitby: yes mommpls Feb 07 00:11:08 rwhitby: I don't see the testing feed, how was it, add it manually? Feb 07 00:16:19 * jacques doesn't read German. Feb 07 00:19:13 updating to preware testing ... Feb 07 00:19:37 rwhitby: ok talks german to me now Feb 07 00:20:12 rwhitby: it still says "Downloading ..... " (on start up) Feb 07 00:20:50 rwhitby: I don't see umlauts there is a blanc square instead Feb 07 00:21:26 rwhitby: I installed Preware 0.9.20 and it seems fine FWIW Feb 07 00:21:34 rwhitby: the title is funny :) (and wrong grammatically) Feb 07 00:21:58 rwhitby: im 0.9.20, what do you need Feb 07 00:22:12 rwhitby: I'd set the subtitle to "Der universelle Paketmanager" - sounds much better Feb 07 00:22:33 sslow: he wants to see german language support Feb 07 00:22:55 rwhitby: app categories are still english Feb 07 00:23:13 rwhitby: feeds and types button on the bottom too Feb 07 00:23:22 debilater: yep, baby steps :-) Feb 07 00:23:47 ok im on sprint so i guess 0.9.20 will do anything different for me then Feb 07 00:24:00 rwhitby: ah ok I thought it's ready Feb 07 00:24:03 sslow: nope, as long as it runs for you I'm happy Feb 07 00:24:14 works fine for me Feb 07 00:24:23 debilater: well, it's as ready as the existing German translator has made it :-) Feb 07 00:24:35 debilater: if you want to help out of that I would be very pleased. Feb 07 00:24:54 rwhitby: I think it would be good to use good old entities for umlauts, e.g. /uuml; for ue Feb 07 00:25:37 rwhitby: ok, is there a localization file or something? Feb 07 00:25:40 debilater: I'm going to release this as-is (cause it's broken for French people at the moment), and then we will improve from there. Feb 07 00:26:21 rwhitby: some settings buttons are wrong placed because the german caption is too large Feb 07 00:26:54 debilater: so I should remove german support from this release or not? Feb 07 00:26:58 rwhitby: however it works Feb 07 00:28:11 rwhitby: looks a little bit like beta or something, wait a moment Feb 07 00:28:34 debilater: ok Feb 07 00:29:39 is anyone working on a klingon translation? Feb 07 00:29:54 jacques: someone has volunteered, but webOS won't load it Feb 07 00:30:06 :-( Feb 07 00:30:11 rwhitby: main screen: http://www.23hq.com/4937375/5353046_1b208858a4ed6a1f6c38c1eb67b33cd7_large.jpg Feb 07 00:30:21 rwhitby: settings: http://www.23hq.com/4937325/5353047_06a928586df62d9088ea697d2f20bf62_large.jpg Feb 07 00:30:25 what does that mean "won't load it" ? Feb 07 00:30:35 do we need to add fonts? Feb 07 00:30:48 jacques: you can only choose of the language which webos offers Feb 07 00:31:14 debilater: oh, .. bummer :-( Feb 07 00:31:34 jacques: but you could write a klingon app of course *g* Feb 07 00:32:53 debilater: new 0.9.20 version in testing feed, can you confirm it removes german support? Feb 07 00:33:09 and anyone else who installed 0.9.20, please reinstall it now Feb 07 00:33:54 debilater: in applications/preware.git, git mv nonworking/de to resources/de and then please adjust strings to make it good enough to 0.9.21 Feb 07 00:34:31 rwhitby: there is no update available Feb 07 00:35:09 rwhitby: ok, is it ok if I do this tomorrow? it's really late already Feb 07 00:35:31 debilater: you need to use the bootstrap script to reinstall it Feb 07 00:35:47 debilater: sure, I'll release 0.9.20 now, and we can work on 0.9.21 with german support tomorrow. Feb 07 00:35:59 rwhitby: rwhitby ok Feb 07 00:36:17 damn timezones Feb 07 00:39:27 ok, bye bye going to sleep... Feb 07 00:52:05 anyone have problems with preware since updating? Feb 07 00:53:12 jmr157: what problems? Feb 07 00:53:20 and updating to which version? Feb 07 00:54:01 jmr157: if your Pre is running French, update to 0.9.20 Feb 07 00:55:33 did the update this morning to 0.19.19, I think, from Preware, and then when I tried to reconnect this evening nothing. Feb 07 00:55:41 rebooted several times Feb 07 00:55:59 what language is your Pre set to? Feb 07 00:56:08 english Feb 07 00:56:44 is there any use for mvapp any more? I mean, aside from it's main use I used to use it to update preware and terminal because for preware & packamanger service it offered to do the devel versions. "mvapp upw" was the most convenient way I knew to get that. But I see in the script it's using "ipkg -o /var" is that still recommended? Feb 07 00:58:05 KEYofR: using -o /var will break things. Feb 07 00:58:16 And what file can I edit to add repos to preware? Feb 07 00:58:24 ~testing-feed Feb 07 00:58:25 from memory, testing-feed is a means of testing new WebOS Internals products, documented at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds Feb 07 00:58:28 rwhitby, yeah I thought so Feb 07 00:58:47 jmr157: no idea. what does /var/log/messages say when you start Preware? Feb 07 00:59:20 let me replicate, brb Feb 07 00:59:46 (so sorry for the long one!) im desperate for help; some troubleshooting help?? plz?? im tired of dealing with the "tech palm pre experts" that dont know anything about anything and like pretend they do until they have wasted ur time long enough to finally tell u that "theres no solution" only cuz they dont know it. ---(btw, anyone agree with me on this or is this only my experience)---... Feb 07 00:59:47 ...im sure there must be a pretty simple answer|solution for this but im definitely a complete beginner on this and i have no idea of what to do so i assumed that maybe here one of u guys geniuses might b able to help me in no time. if anyone would like to give me hand i'd really appreciate it greatly. let me know so u can explain what the problem or question is? PLEASE?? Feb 07 01:00:30 rwhitby: do you know if the "tweaks" in Wosqi are Aupt or not. Feb 07 01:00:50 ~smart-questions Feb 07 01:00:52 i guess smart-questions is http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Feb 07 01:01:06 keenah: read that, and then start again stating the question first this time. Feb 07 01:02:08 sslow: it seems that some use webos-patches feed and some do not, and the ones that do not might actually be AUPT as well. Since it's closed source, we have no legitimate way of knowing. Feb 07 01:02:39 rwhitby: thanks Feb 07 01:02:44 sslow: Jason says WOSQI 3.0 is AUPT compatible, so I'd assume it is until proven otherwise. Feb 07 01:03:58 jmr157: both 0.9.19 and 0.9.20 are working fine here on English. 0.9.19 was broken on French, but 0.9.20 fixes that. Feb 07 01:05:47 geesh, now it works, thanks Feb 07 01:06:28 rwhitby: sure ;) sorry about that... - why does my phone suddenly lost network connectivity? how do i get it back? it says 'phone offline' (at top left) & cant perform any tasks like make calls or send txts, etc. why or how would somethin like that happen out of the sudden? ive tried a few things but none have worked. do u know how to make it right? thx a lot! Feb 07 01:11:24 keenah: that will happen when a java restart happens. Feb 07 01:12:00 Look in /var/log/messages for activity that happens around that time, and then post the contents of /var/log/messages to webos.pastebin.com and then tell us the URL it gives you. Feb 07 01:15:38 * rwhitby bbl Feb 07 01:16:48 rwhitby: thx! but, i am seriously very, VERY new at this & that, what u just wrote, is a completely different language for me. im soooooo sorry, really =( could u, plz? english plz? what is that? sorry, but may i ask u, how do i even get there? Feb 07 01:19:38 keenah what were you doing before the network went off? what were these mysterious "tried several things? what things? What happened when you rebooted your phone? Feb 07 01:20:46 and what version are you running Feb 07 01:21:07 pre,pixi + Feb 07 01:21:10 ? Feb 07 01:24:25 dbsooner: ping Feb 07 01:25:01 dbsooner: nvmd i got it Feb 07 01:45:17 rwhitby: thx! i was trying not to write another long one, but oh well... Feb 07 01:45:18 that i remember it just happened suddenly, at that very moment i was in the middle of texting a message a key got stuck, typed like 5 messages long the same character & didnt respond to any thing i was trying like stopping it or opening any other app i just tried clicking everywhere just to make it stop nut nothing did so i tried rebooting (orange key|Sym|R). then it didnt respond to the... Feb 07 01:45:20 ...reboot, it was just the Palm logo in the middle; after blinking it just stayed there so i tried to turn off the phone, & didnt work either, so i tried removing the battery. the battery started to wear off pretty quickly so i turned it off it didnt want to respond to the on button either so i tried turning it off (on|off button) & it worked fine, but when i tried to turn it on & it didnt... Feb 07 01:45:21 ...respond either so i plucked out the battery again & it came up fine but with the phone offline thing. now i can only make it work by taking the battery put. the only other thing ive been doing has been tweaking it with the preware after i changed it to the auto update one (cant remember the acronym). does this help? Feb 07 02:01:33 Feb 07 02:03:02 anyone try flash yet ? Feb 07 02:05:13 rwhitby: u still around? not rushing, just checking just in case... i'll wait for when ur ready Feb 07 02:11:09 guess not lol Feb 07 02:14:26 DrFunk: you know something we dont? Feb 07 02:14:35 lol Feb 07 02:19:51 keenah, way too random. Go to the nearest sprint store and have them fix it, which may mean a wipe & reinstall. You will not be able to diagnose a mystery like that without you knowing more about how the phone works and how to use linux. Feb 07 02:21:49 You can learn all that stuff but not in 2 seconds. Feb 07 02:35:03 Whoa am I reading this right? I'm poking around in /var log and there seems to be something phoning home, uploading tars of various log files somewhere, log files including syslog. Feb 07 02:36:44 since rwhitby logged off i still need help with the issue i described above. find details above (20:06 & 20:16) i need my phone! truly desperate here!!! ANYONE??? PLZ??? Feb 07 02:36:49 KEYofR: you are most likely reading that right Feb 07 02:38:02 OR anyone could tell me where i can find help i need if not here? Feb 07 02:38:44 kenah, let me scrolll back Feb 07 02:39:13 /var/log/rdxd/uploaded/rdxd_log_202.tgz , which contains dmesg, syslog, a manifest of all installed software, and /var/log/uploadd/upload-history.txt which shows a history of those files being uploaded but doesn't show where to. Feb 07 02:39:45 keenah let me see if I understand your situation. Feb 07 02:41:05 at this point, if you reboot after a battery out, the phone comes up normally, but does not connect to the network? Feb 07 02:41:16 keenah Feb 07 02:41:22 burrp Feb 07 02:42:42 KEYofR: thx but i dont need to go to the sprint store to do that. i can do that myself of having to deal with the "nicest people in the world that always want to help you" & without the aggravation. im honestly trying to avoid having to do that as much as possible. there must be a way to turn it on without having to use such drastic measures. Feb 07 02:43:20 keenah I'm not sure I understand what's happening tho. Feb 07 02:43:27 rick-home: correct! thats exactly the problem! Feb 07 02:43:49 keenah how long have you allowed it to wait after a reboot battery out keenah Feb 07 02:43:56 rick-home: u described it perfectly on ur previsous one Feb 07 02:43:57 is there a site like preware for the palm pixie Feb 07 02:44:11 travisart25 preware is pre and pixi both Feb 07 02:44:23 (perhaps a poor choice of name but we didn't know when we came up with it) Feb 07 02:44:32 ((and webosware jjust sucks as a name) Feb 07 02:44:33 okay thank you rick-home Feb 07 02:44:35 rick-home: after it froze u mean Feb 07 02:44:58 keenah after it frose, and you batt outed and re booted and had no net, how long did you wait? Feb 07 02:45:13 Well you were already told to look at syslog for clues. Since you don't know how to do that, what do you want? magic? we dont sell that here. Feb 07 02:45:44 KEYofR true, but not helpful. Give me a few minutes, I have fresh ears. Feb 07 02:45:50 keenah see PM Feb 07 02:45:58 rick-home: well i didnt have to wait. when it came up it was like that, no connecivity or "phone offline" Feb 07 02:46:57 heh see what I mean Feb 07 02:47:09 KEYofR I'll take it to private -- Feb 07 02:47:28 keenah see private message... Feb 07 02:48:12 KEYofR: im sorry, im not sure what u imply by ur comment. if u dont want to help, simply ignore it, theres no need to be rude. thanks Feb 07 02:48:51 theres no need for a lot of things, but they happen anyway Feb 07 02:48:55 KEYofR: check out /etc/rdxd.conf Feb 07 02:49:49 and of course you can turn it off by modifying/removing /etc/event.d/rdxd Feb 07 02:50:27 (not recommending that, just saying you *can*) Feb 07 02:51:07 I think rwhitby was adding disabling uploadd et al to meta-doctor Feb 07 02:51:17 Yeah... debating. I don't mind Palm having info they need to make the system better. It's just that theres no way to seperate that from info Sprint beleives is there business which I disagree with ;) Feb 07 02:51:40 which is why several people are working on a privacy patch Feb 07 02:51:45 I wish I knew if it was only going to palm Feb 07 02:52:23 I recently overwrote /usr/bin/contextupload with /bin/true... no ill effects as of yet Feb 07 02:57:00 This stuff should really be toggeld on only after displaying some sort of summary and getting the users OK Feb 07 02:58:40 It looks pretty ok to me now I see the conf file, just uploading crash dumps basically. Obviously, if there was a coredump, there was a problem, and so, generally if ever there was a time you wanted to upload lots of info, thats it. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Feb 07 02:59:58 2010