**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Feb 10 02:59:58 2010 Feb 10 03:12:40 cd #vbox Feb 10 03:12:44 lol Feb 10 03:12:47 Everyone Feb 10 03:12:49 announcement Feb 10 03:12:50 ... Feb 10 03:12:52 I am a moron Feb 10 03:12:54 that is all Feb 10 03:16:12 wooo built Feb 10 03:17:00 Thesolonius: that was pretty excellent. I've never seen anyone try to cd to another channel before Feb 10 03:17:16 *bow* Feb 10 03:17:30 two beers in and i am the definition of IRC awesome Feb 10 03:17:36 would you even believe I wrote an IRC client? Feb 10 03:17:55 Thesolonius: no, probably not, but i'm only 1 beer in Feb 10 03:17:57 remarkably, it could never get in a channel Feb 10 03:18:02 still debugging Feb 10 03:18:02 lol Feb 10 03:22:11 plan9 had an IRC client where you would cd into another channel I expect Feb 10 03:27:20 I wrote an IRC bot with PHP once. Feb 10 03:27:46 It didn't do much more than join the channel, say hi, bye, and google stuff. Feb 10 03:29:14 okay, so I'm trying to use sb2 as a different user than I initally installed it as and it's just saying no target. do I have to do it as that user? Feb 10 03:29:35 mgaffney@widk:~$ sb2 -M /srv/preware/cross-compile/staging/mapping-armv7 Feb 10 03:29:35 sb2: Error: No target specified and none set as default, aborting. Feb 10 03:33:32 HEY EVERYBODY Feb 10 03:33:33 GUESS WHAT Feb 10 03:33:37 ahem Feb 10 03:33:39 WHAT!?!?!? Feb 10 03:33:39 c'mon, guess Feb 10 03:33:45 chicken but? Feb 10 03:33:49 no :( Feb 10 03:33:50 the PDK was leaked Feb 10 03:33:51 ? Feb 10 03:33:56 less interesting :/ Feb 10 03:34:03 mgaffney: ok, you're making me feel silly now lol Feb 10 03:34:09 Food often tastes like chicken? Feb 10 03:34:31 you got your app working? Feb 10 03:34:41 I have a FLAC file playing on my Pre right now. indexed by fileindexer, and playing in the standard palm Music Player. Feb 10 03:34:53 nice! Feb 10 03:36:27 zsoc: sweiit Feb 10 03:38:21 next is ogg, then i gotta get it packed up, which _might_ be messy Feb 10 03:38:44 zsoc: was it as easy as dropping in the correct libraries? Feb 10 03:39:22 xenoph0be: unfortunately, not even close Feb 10 03:39:41 mgaffney: I think you need to sb2-init for each user Feb 10 03:39:41 xenoph0be: the reason your situation worked, is because format (wav) was already supported and indexable, just needed a new codec Feb 10 03:39:57 zsoc: cant win them all the easy way.. Feb 10 03:40:04 rwhitby: would you prefer a fileindexer replacement to a bspatch on the fileindexer? Feb 10 03:40:07 thanks again by the way... HUGE help Feb 10 03:40:40 zsoc: good question Feb 10 03:40:47 sudo /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server restart Feb 10 03:41:11 /home/widk 192.168.0.0/255.255.0.0(rw,sync,no_subtree_check) Feb 10 03:41:31 bah Feb 10 03:41:34 lol Feb 10 03:41:38 GAFFO IS NOOB Feb 10 03:41:44 he was supposed to send that to me Feb 10 03:41:46 everyone hack him now Feb 10 03:41:48 please haxor me Feb 10 03:41:56 you will be lolzored Feb 10 03:42:08 ... Feb 10 03:42:15 who are you people Feb 10 03:42:20 failures Feb 10 03:42:22 lol Feb 10 03:42:24 complete Feb 10 03:42:27 epic! Feb 10 03:42:32 like his mom Feb 10 03:43:22 zsoc, working on setting up a shared workspace with my sb2 ubuntu vm and my desktop so I can code on desktop and compile on vm. Feb 10 03:43:24 bspatch on text files? Feb 10 03:43:34 mgaffney: why intiscript and not upstart? Feb 10 03:43:50 tmzt: the fileindexer is a binary? Feb 10 03:44:16 mgaffney: i see, sounds useful Feb 10 03:44:36 tmzt, for some reason the nfs-kernel-server is not under upstart Feb 10 03:44:40 get a service not found Feb 10 03:44:51 not sure how to list services under upstart :) Feb 10 03:45:00 right, convert it Feb 10 03:45:05 * zsoc just codes in vim on vm, over ssh Feb 10 03:45:13 tmzt, I don't really care. it's a one time config Feb 10 03:45:22 I see Feb 10 03:45:43 im a nanowhore Feb 10 03:45:44 :D Feb 10 03:46:44 vim is just so.. good Feb 10 03:47:05 emacs, baby Feb 10 03:47:13 it will e your mac for life Feb 10 03:47:27 zsoc, I ended up with a set of ssh tunnels onece where it was me > vm, and vm > me > tunnel > tunnel > license server > tunnel > tunnel > me Feb 10 03:47:53 so that I could bring up a licsense key server on a clients network to give me a key to compile for vxworks on a vm on my box Feb 10 03:48:12 I finished and the guy I was coding with was like WTF did you just create Feb 10 03:48:41 tmzt, how do I list services in upstart? Feb 10 03:48:50 is it a stupid question, to ask how Palm fit an OS update inside an app? Feb 10 03:49:25 I thought's palm's installer never EVER ran postinst scripts. Feb 10 03:49:32 mgaffney: 1.) why are you coding with 'a guy' 2.) i'm too many beers to follow that Feb 10 03:49:39 hey hey hey Feb 10 03:49:43 i'm not just A GUY Feb 10 03:49:45 am THE GUY Feb 10 03:49:53 Thesolonius: what are you two working on ? Feb 10 03:49:55 don't even need pronouns Feb 10 03:50:08 Thesolonius only if you are the reincarnation of the Monk himself. Feb 10 03:50:12 Wait, no wrong name. Feb 10 03:50:14 zsoc, pair programming Feb 10 03:50:18 ish Feb 10 03:50:26 Thesolonius: why is it a secret? Feb 10 03:50:29 its more of shaolin drunken pair styles Feb 10 03:51:41 tick: no, I'm curious too Feb 10 03:51:51 maybe they drop a file that triggers the update Feb 10 03:52:47 rick-home: Feb 10 03:53:29 zsoc, what are the specs of the FLAC file, and what's the CPU utilization? Feb 10 03:54:42 jacques: i just do WHE stuff, i don't know silly things like 'specs' Feb 10 03:59:20 rwhitby: so i want to package this up... and I don't want to do it "patch" style. I'm thinking some sort of 'enabling application' with no icon, ala EPR, it needs to stop the old fileindexer, back it up, install the new one, start it (and maybe run it?), install libFLAC.so, install libgstflac.so, install libgsttypefindfunctions.so, and run gst-inspect to register the 2 latter ones. Feb 10 03:59:31 rick-home: I'd like to get a copy of that 2G enable app to look at how it is done Feb 10 04:00:15 zsoc: so, what will someone do when they have to OTA update? Feb 10 04:00:35 what's the best way to scp stuff onto the emulator? Feb 10 04:00:59 rwhitby: well the .so's will be in the 'safe zone', rpathed (right?), just the fileindexer would have to be reinstalled after ota. Feb 10 04:01:02 mgaffney: localhost 5522 Feb 10 04:01:11 mgaffney: or add a second host-only vboxnet0 interface Feb 10 04:01:30 thanks rwhitby Feb 10 04:01:50 zsoc: what about a service which just shut down the Palm fileindexer, and started yours. No patching required. Feb 10 04:01:57 it runs once at boot Feb 10 04:02:14 s/service/upstart script/ Feb 10 04:02:22 rwhitby: hmm... that's reasonable, but you would have to do it. I know next to nothing about webos services/upstart scripts Feb 10 04:02:56 although i have this odd feeling that if you stop the fileindexer it restarts itself (mediaserver does that at least) Feb 10 04:05:11 zsoc: that's due to the respawn in /etc/event.d/fileindexer Feb 10 04:05:38 zsoc: did the gsm codec ever get packaged for easy install? Feb 10 04:05:54 zsoc: if you actually to /sbin/stop fileindexer, it will stop Feb 10 04:06:02 if you kill it, it will restart Feb 10 04:07:07 xenoph0be: no, because the source was kept on some volitile college site which doesn't exist anymore, so i can't package it till the source resurfaces Feb 10 04:07:23 rwhitby: got it, ok then, a service is a good idea Feb 10 04:07:32 zsoc: so maybe you have an upstart script which waits for the fileindexer service to start, and then stops that service and starts yours Feb 10 04:07:36 zsoc did you try the wayback machine Feb 10 04:08:03 zsoc: which source? the gstreamer plugins-bad? Feb 10 04:08:17 rick-home: er... no.... but then what? we're going to host it ourselves? Feb 10 04:08:21 zsoc: have you checked openembedded's source archive? Feb 10 04:08:22 xenoph0be: no, libgsm Feb 10 04:08:33 zsoc - why not? What was the original url? Feb 10 04:08:36 ah Feb 10 04:08:53 hrm, when I try to run the doom from the command line on the emulator I get Feb 10 04:08:55 zsoc it's not like it would eat a huge pile of bandwidth, put it on the git server. Feb 10 04:09:19 mgaffney no one has built wipk for the emulator. It's pre-only Feb 10 04:09:21 http://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~jutta/toast.html Feb 10 04:09:41 rick-home, aah, is there a way to compile it for the emulator? or is all device atm? Feb 10 04:09:43 zsoc: what was the tarball name? Feb 10 04:10:05 gsm-1.0.13.tar.gz Feb 10 04:10:11 there's newer versions tho i think Feb 10 04:10:25 http://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/nslu2/sources/gsm-1.0.13.tar.gz Feb 10 04:10:30 ok then Feb 10 04:10:50 http://ftp.aarnet.edu.au/debian/pool/main/libg/libgsm/ Feb 10 04:10:52 :D Feb 10 04:11:38 that's why I put all my important stuff on the internet - automatic mirroring Feb 10 04:11:49 :) Feb 10 04:13:39 halp halp! Feb 10 04:14:30 zsoc: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/wiki/JobEventExpressions Feb 10 04:14:33 hey Adora, what's up? Feb 10 04:14:40 anybody know a way to enable developer mode if your touchscreen is dead? Feb 10 04:15:03 zsoc: start on started fileindexer. in the script part, do /sbin/stop fileindexer and start your binary Feb 10 04:15:26 zsoc, another benefit of the NFS is that all of the build artifacts (eg the executable) are availble on the host's filesystem, moving them to say the pre is easier Feb 10 04:16:11 if you guys had one sentence to tell the world how you feel about webOS, what would you say? Feb 10 04:16:31 zsoc - my google-fu exceeds yours Feb 10 04:16:33 http://www.quut.com/gsm/ Feb 10 04:17:30 feedback might get used in v. important project Feb 10 04:17:32 dangit, I forget, what's the best way to copy stuff onto the pre? Feb 10 04:17:43 sftp? Feb 10 04:17:51 that'd work Feb 10 04:17:53 or usb mode? Feb 10 04:17:54 :D Feb 10 04:18:10 rwhitby: would love to have a quote from you =] Feb 10 04:18:11 zsoc that's the re-release of the guy who posted the ~ pages a long time ago, he said that after 10 years, his alma-mater noticed he was gone. Feb 10 04:18:27 rick-home: you, too Feb 10 04:18:56 so nobody knows an altternate way to enable developer mode? Feb 10 04:19:03 alternate Feb 10 04:19:47 Adora, webOS embodies the freedom of the web onto a device. That coupled with Palm's englightened attitude towards the software community provides a comfortable place for developers to grow. Feb 10 04:19:50 so the difference between compiling for the emulator and the device is the different architectures? Feb 10 04:20:02 GuinnessX no way that I know of. Feb 10 04:20:04 rick-home: thank you Feb 10 04:20:06 rick-home: LOVE IT Feb 10 04:20:08 AMAZING Feb 10 04:20:26 mgaffney yes, the emulator is x86, the pre is arm7 Feb 10 04:20:48 then is there any way to access the files on a Pre with a dead touchscreen? Feb 10 04:20:53 rick-home, is there a way to compile to the emulator like you can to the device with the WIDK? Feb 10 04:21:07 rick-home: and it's a 'she' btw, not a he Feb 10 04:21:07 there is a way to get it into usb mode, but that's all Feb 10 04:21:23 that's better than nothing... how? Feb 10 04:25:03 heh Feb 10 04:25:39 mgaffney no one here has worked on that. Feb 10 04:26:03 :) Feb 10 04:26:21 so how would you setup a compile enviroment that was segregated from your host environment? Feb 10 04:26:31 or would you just compile on the emulator? Feb 10 04:26:53 *yawn* sleep is evil Feb 10 04:26:55 =\ Feb 10 04:27:08 GuinnessX google-fu again. webOS 1.3.1 brought with it a handy new key combination that enables USB drive mode without having to touch the screen. Simply hook up to your computer with a USB cable and hit Option + Sym + U (for USB) and the Pre will mount as a USB drive. Feb 10 04:28:11 now, someone here was working on how to mount the cryptofs externally from the usb drive, but I don't remember who. Feb 10 04:28:19 sorry... that wasn't really my question Feb 10 04:28:28 but thankls for the google Feb 10 04:28:36 GuinnessX what WAS your question then? Feb 10 04:28:44 the first one Feb 10 04:29:12 how to access the files on the pre with a dead touchscreen. Yeah, and I said, you can get at the USB drive files using the google I just pasted. Feb 10 04:29:15 [22:18] so nobody knows an altternate way to enable developer mode? Feb 10 04:29:25 Adora: webOS combines the best features of a Linux-standards-based underlying operating system with a web-standards-based development and run-time environment to produce a platform for development of a wide variety of applications ranging from low-level native linux utilities, to high-speed native 3D games, to interactive on-device javascript applications, to rich clients connected to in-the-cloud web services. Feb 10 04:29:27 beyond that, if you don't have dev mode on , you're screwed. Feb 10 04:29:37 ^that one? Feb 10 04:29:43 yeah I know, but then you seemed to get upset that I hadn't googled Feb 10 04:29:56 no no, I wasn't upset. I was bragging. :-) Feb 10 04:29:57 thanks again Feb 10 04:30:01 Adora: that sort of what you're looking for? Feb 10 04:30:02 ah ok Feb 10 04:30:10 it's a weakness of mine Feb 10 04:30:10 rwhitby: that's a very long sentence =] Feb 10 04:30:24 rwhitby: I'm looking for something more personal Feb 10 04:30:24 mine is pithier. His is more informative. Feb 10 04:30:34 pithy good, in this case Feb 10 04:30:52 Adora, let me translate rwhitby's into american for you. Feb 10 04:31:00 Adora: ok: "I have 3 webOS devices, I hack on two and use the other as my phone." ;-) Feb 10 04:32:06 Adora: or "webOS is so open that I haven't bothered writing a Mojo app yet, cause I'm too busy hacking at the lower layers." Feb 10 04:32:27 And in a nation where there is no dealer or carrier for them. :-) Feb 10 04:35:32 adora what are you wanting these for? Feb 10 04:36:22 rick-home: secret :p Feb 10 04:36:55 rick-home: seekrit awesome project Feb 10 04:37:48 well, as long as it's awsome Feb 10 04:38:20 rwhitby: not open source but still pretty open for tinkering overall Feb 10 04:40:54 destinal-home: got flac working Feb 10 04:41:14 GuinnessX: I know of alternative ways to enable developer mode, but they require booting a different linux kernel image over USB (which isn't that hard) -- still interested? Feb 10 04:42:15 i want that ring tone from that geico commercial Feb 10 04:42:23 the one about the annoying ring tone Feb 10 04:42:43 "ringidy ding ding dong" Feb 10 04:42:44 Ringedy-ding-ding-dee-dong? Feb 10 04:42:47 heh Feb 10 04:42:48 lol Feb 10 04:42:53 yeah that one Feb 10 04:42:59 Yeah, me too Feb 10 04:42:59 that would be so great Feb 10 04:43:10 http://www.geico.com/about/commercials/music/ringtones ? Feb 10 04:43:34 Hah, just googled that and found it :D Feb 10 04:43:52 lmorchard: link!! Feb 10 04:44:02 PuffTheMagic_: I just linked it Feb 10 04:44:05 http://www.geico.com/public/ringtones.php?filename=ring_ding.mp3 Feb 10 04:44:11 but yeah, see destinal-home Feb 10 04:44:41 omg Feb 10 04:44:45 that just made my day Feb 10 04:45:46 destinal-home: whoops, sploded. Feb 10 04:46:11 zsoc: lol Feb 10 04:47:10 that's hillarious that if you make a "worst" ringtone for a commercial, suddenly people want to actually use it Feb 10 04:47:34 Adora: "webOS: it has a great internals" ;-) Feb 10 04:47:34 is it really surprising? Feb 10 04:47:39 Now, what I really want, is webOS running on a Nokia N900. but I'd miss the gesture area. and the lack of space in my pants pocket Feb 10 04:47:46 rwhitby++ Feb 10 04:47:58 rwhitby: hahahahaah Feb 10 04:48:12 webOS has WHEs Feb 10 04:48:50 PuffTheMagic_: it actually reminds me of that "I'm blackity black and I'm black y'all", which I've actually heard on someone's phone as their ringtone. He was white, but the phone was black, so that's ok I guess Feb 10 04:50:13 lmorchard: that's what she said Feb 10 04:50:26 lmao Feb 10 04:50:32 nice Feb 10 04:50:40 Is that a Pixi in our pocket, or is it just cold out? Feb 10 04:50:55 er.. your pocket. /facepalm Feb 10 04:51:21 Adora: "From homebrew to hot apps, Palm's webOS is a rich, open vista for developers." Feb 10 04:51:21 I like the idea of collective pockets, like NAS irl Feb 10 04:51:41 rwhitby: you can't say vista Feb 10 04:51:42 distributed pocket hosting in the cloud Feb 10 04:51:43 rwhitby: that sounds like a marketing brochure Feb 10 04:51:45 rwhitby, so webos is windows? Feb 10 04:51:59 vista Feb 10 04:52:01 :p Feb 10 04:52:09 rwhitby: sounds like one of our marketroids wrote that one Feb 10 04:52:10 webME Feb 10 04:52:19 vista? hush your mouth Feb 10 04:52:30 zsoc: webME, hahahahah Feb 10 04:53:08 "The power of the web in the palm of my hand.." or was that from a Spider-Man movie Feb 10 04:53:10 Adora: "webOS: good Linux stuff underneath a pretty interface" Feb 10 04:53:57 webOS allows you to always have the best software in the palm of your hands Feb 10 04:54:01 webOS: The best features of Android, iPhone, and Maemo fit comfy in your pocket Feb 10 04:54:04 rwhitby: kind of like OSX? Feb 10 04:54:18 if you s/linux/un*x/ Feb 10 04:54:23 rwhitby: getting there =] Feb 10 04:54:36 rwhitby: definitely need a service. apparently it only works when I start mediaserver manually Feb 10 04:54:52 lmorchard: you don't want to treat it like it rips off other phone OS's and that makes it cool, lol Feb 10 04:55:07 webOS: We let you have root. Feb 10 04:55:11 Yeah, that's true Feb 10 04:55:45 Been playing a lot with those other three lately, and I'm always thinking "Ugh, if only this thing had {webOS feature}" Feb 10 04:55:52 it has the best features of all of tbose? Feb 10 04:56:02 like? Feb 10 04:56:05 psykoz: I wish we could come out and say that better than we do Feb 10 04:56:29 rwhitby: and I can't see why.. because I can't get a log out of mediaserver without starting it with -l --gst-debug=3 Feb 10 04:56:42 Maemo has decent multitasking and Linux, even root. But it's really painful without the webOS gesture area and card view Feb 10 04:56:51 what's mediaserver? Feb 10 04:56:59 "there's no need to 'break' webOS, Palm gives you total control" Feb 10 04:57:05 etc etc etc Feb 10 04:57:13 maemo should have card view Feb 10 04:57:20 It's *almost* got card view Feb 10 04:57:21 tmzt: the binary that builds gstreamer pipelines, it's how your phone plays any media Feb 10 04:57:24 Adora, aye Feb 10 04:57:27 it's hardware and drivers support it better than webos can Feb 10 04:57:44 zsoc: hmm Feb 10 04:57:47 neat trick Feb 10 04:57:53 trick? heh Feb 10 04:57:54 But the user interface wrecks it. the card view on webOS is smooth and the gesture area clinches it Feb 10 04:57:55 that's something I wish was open Feb 10 04:57:59 psykoz: how bout I put you down for that one? =] Feb 10 04:58:00 Adora, all my friends who have android phones when I tell them about how truly open webOS is, they immediately are "I wish I would have known this 3 months ago, I wouldn't have bought a Google phone." Feb 10 04:58:00 Your phone, that Palm mostly treats like your phone.. well, I think a single click to turn on OTA downloads like android has would be another good step, but almost all the way there. Feb 10 04:58:13 tmzt: we can write an oss one with no problem, it's actually quite simple Feb 10 04:58:20 psykoz: those phones have some plusses though Feb 10 04:58:24 everyone i know makes fun of me for having a palm phone Feb 10 04:58:36 people just prefer the comfort of android and don't take advantage of them Feb 10 04:58:38 Adora: "webOS has just the right kinds of openness and flexibility, allowing both homebrew and commercial developers to do amazing things" Feb 10 04:58:50 bpadalino: kick those people in the shins Feb 10 04:58:51 funny story. i went to best buy and asked the guy about smartphones. he told me i wanted the droid "cuz its all open source and free and stuff. you can do anything you want" and that the pre was "more strict like an iphone" Feb 10 04:58:53 zsoc: like pulse for video? Feb 10 04:58:54 tmzt, they do, but Android still freezes even with the faster processors. To me it says Google thinks Moore's law is going to fix their OS/ui issues, but it isn't so far. Feb 10 04:59:03 Adora: heh, i don't like to get violent about people's cellular preferences Feb 10 04:59:16 yep, people take 'open source' too seriously Feb 10 04:59:16 tmzt: sure, or sdlsink for video :p with gl filters :) Feb 10 04:59:18 and wrongly Feb 10 04:59:20 It's funny that a task killer is one of the top apps for android Feb 10 04:59:29 tmzt, I think Android though has the closest thing to Palm's nice text messaging/im integration Feb 10 04:59:32 though he was right before the native apps somewhat Feb 10 04:59:32 psykoz: just bad design imho of android Feb 10 04:59:44 you were restricted as long as you remained inside of luna Feb 10 04:59:49 ie putting things like task switching and your "status bar" inside the app thats hugh Feb 10 04:59:51 hung Feb 10 05:00:06 as opposed to doing it more like x11 where all that stuff is out-of-app in a wm and/or compositor Feb 10 05:00:06 bhern: Android = more open source webOS = more tweakable without rocket science Feb 10 05:00:06 Adora, you don't have to credit me for your rewording of what I said, I was mostly being blunt with a little bit of sarcasm ;) Feb 10 05:00:06 etc. Feb 10 05:00:29 given the right use of priorities, realtime priorities (sched_fifo) etc. it can all be done properly Feb 10 05:00:30 psykoz: everybody does, even Palm went with 7x27 in the pixi because luna was too slow on 7x0x Feb 10 05:00:34 what makes webos a bit nicer is that every time an update comes out, i don't have to worry that i'm losing novaterm/shell access Feb 10 05:00:34 errhm sarcasm is the wrong word. Arrogant/proud of WebOS Feb 10 05:00:38 bhern: oh, and you can actually just edit the apps with a text editor :) Feb 10 05:00:41 Adora: "webOS: the only mobile OS that you can patch on the fly while sipping a latte" Feb 10 05:00:43 so yeah, that's not iphone Feb 10 05:00:45 WebOS: 13 letters to freedom Feb 10 05:01:00 psykoz: credit might technically be required...consider it a bonus =] Feb 10 05:01:18 What exactly are we doing? Feb 10 05:01:24 raster: android seems to be designed to allow pixmaps to be freed easily, it's the only I could figure Feb 10 05:01:29 I just kinda butted in the middle of the conversation Feb 10 05:01:30 rwhitby: how 'bout I put you down for "this is *my* phone" Feb 10 05:01:36 I started to ask romain about it Feb 10 05:01:46 tmzt: ??? Feb 10 05:01:56 what is even going on here anyway aside from saying really nice things about webos Feb 10 05:02:08 raster: I mean the lifecycle management Feb 10 05:02:21 egaudet: super seekrit project Feb 10 05:02:22 egaudet: devs pleasing adora Feb 10 05:02:39 there has to be a reason for it Feb 10 05:02:39 bhern: though android DOES have that ota download option in their control panel.. *hint, hint* Feb 10 05:02:40 Adora: the Pre is the best phone since the Treo 650. Feb 10 05:02:40 I wouldn't be bugging you guys with it if it wasn't going to be amazingly awesome Feb 10 05:02:42 has anybody figured out how to get a vnc client going for the pre? Feb 10 05:02:43 project: do adora's work for her ;) Feb 10 05:02:53 tmzt: how hard is it to free a damned pixmap... Feb 10 05:02:55 oooh super seekrit! Feb 10 05:02:58 i dont get it? Feb 10 05:03:06 me neither raster Feb 10 05:03:06 zsoc: my work is to get the voice of the community! Feb 10 05:03:21 not the computer screen on the phone but the pre screen on the computer? Feb 10 05:03:23 (getting engineers to be pithy has proven a bigger challenge than I expected) Feb 10 05:03:23 how do u need to desighn for it to be fast? Feb 10 05:03:23 edektor: you mean besides the vnc client that works already? Feb 10 05:03:28 * raster is baffled Feb 10 05:03:34 its a bit like saying Feb 10 05:03:46 no like the opposite of what there is now.. Feb 10 05:03:47 Adora: I can do engineer or marketroid, but not much in-between. Feb 10 05:03:49 ":this os is designed so integer additions are fast!" Feb 10 05:03:51 the other way around Feb 10 05:03:51 :) Feb 10 05:04:01 edektor: why Feb 10 05:04:11 hmm, I had formed this complete thought in a moemnt of clarity Feb 10 05:04:33 unless u are being stupid Feb 10 05:04:38 its going to be gfast Feb 10 05:04:43 * zsoc adds integers Feb 10 05:05:03 because my app is really audio intensive and it would be easier to just have vnc client of the phone on my desktop while im developing Feb 10 05:05:13 WebOS is like having the cool parents, you don't have to sneak around Feb 10 05:05:56 WebOS: Linux, win Feb 10 05:06:16 egaudet: well, javascript = win also (though I wouldn't have thought I 'd say it Feb 10 05:06:34 egaudet, WebOS: Linux, win also says "Android Win" :) Feb 10 05:06:36 I know the iphone dev-team had something similar for demoing unlocks on the desktop Feb 10 05:06:37 raster: maybe you can find a reason for the lifecycle management then Feb 10 05:06:40 * raster makes signs of warding @ destinal-home Feb 10 05:06:45 WebOS: Linux, standards, win Feb 10 05:06:53 tmzt: i am not quite sure of what u speak? Feb 10 05:06:56 and all the wake locks and surface locking and everything else android does Feb 10 05:07:06 raster: webos has some of the easiest customization of stock apps I've ever seen Feb 10 05:07:16 well surface locks are needed if u have multiple procs/threads directly scribbling on a surface and sharing it Feb 10 05:07:18 part of life Feb 10 05:07:19 you said apps are responsible for task switching? Feb 10 05:07:27 Web (javascript) OS (Linux) = Power Feb 10 05:07:28 raster: if you don't like the apps it comes with, just tweak them Feb 10 05:07:38 webos also has the most natural ui i have ever used Feb 10 05:07:45 tmzt: hitting "back" button will do nada if app is hung Feb 10 05:07:50 for example Feb 10 05:07:52 destinal-home, how's hidd Feb 10 05:07:54 egaudet: unfortunately, the stack is slooooww Feb 10 05:07:57 oh, that's bad Feb 10 05:08:05 yes Feb 10 05:08:12 the notification status bar at the top Feb 10 05:08:14 if app is hung Feb 10 05:08:17 egaudet: wrt to javascript+linux I mean Feb 10 05:08:19 u can click/slide it al u like Feb 10 05:08:21 iut will nto react Feb 10 05:08:27 as its drawn by the app inside its surface Feb 10 05:08:30 gnutoo started getting the msm x11 driver to work on OE Feb 10 05:08:33 also more bad Feb 10 05:08:40 but it's not for the chip in the g1 Feb 10 05:09:05 hmm, didn't know this Feb 10 05:09:13 destinal-home: the higher your lang the slower it gets and the less control u can have. i'd rather more control and speed... as compute power isnt exactly abundant on phones. Feb 10 05:09:15 :) Feb 10 05:09:32 tmzt: thats what i meant.. i think there are fundamental design issues there Feb 10 05:09:36 like this http://www.tuaw.com/2008/09/18/veency-vnc-server-for-iphone/ Feb 10 05:09:37 raster: yeah, you have a point Feb 10 05:09:39 this is where the x11 way is rather good Feb 10 05:09:47 this game is getting old Feb 10 05:09:52 u ensure wm and/or compositor are solid and reliable Feb 10 05:09:58 well xserver too Feb 10 05:09:59 destinal was describing the Palm hidd today Feb 10 05:10:04 and then u make things like back handled by the wm Feb 10 05:10:20 things like status bar a separate process to app Feb 10 05:10:20 edektor: we should be able to do a vnc server with hidd plugins + framebuffer capture Feb 10 05:10:23 another solution to the input ptobelm Feb 10 05:10:27 problem Feb 10 05:10:37 consider apps buggy that may and will screw up (not intentionally just they get badly wirtten and block/hang) Feb 10 05:10:48 then u can happily just hide the app Feb 10 05:10:53 destinal-home: would there be a vnc server in ipkg-opt i could install? Feb 10 05:10:54 or go to another and come back when its un-hung Feb 10 05:10:59 destinal-home: how is uinput not easier? Feb 10 05:11:05 edektor: no, nobody's written any such thing Feb 10 05:11:27 I also asked about the best approach to take for an Xluna Feb 10 05:11:47 the X people showed me the sdl code that just got removed from X Feb 10 05:12:33 tmzt: uh, uinput isn't used by the palm stack to my knowledge. they have hidd with plugins talking to character devices which read GPIO pins etc Feb 10 05:12:45 I'm also leanring there's some weird architecture in X where input is tied to ddx, certain composite methods and other things like Xcalibrate only work with some ddx's and other things Feb 10 05:13:00 hmm, not linux input devices? Feb 10 05:13:07 nope Feb 10 05:13:47 so I would say X on embedded would be awesome but needs a lot of work, if it never runs cleanly on something with g1's class there's a problem Feb 10 05:13:48 this is why I want to be able to write hidd plugins Feb 10 05:13:55 yet it runs on gta0x??? Feb 10 05:14:16 tmzt: it runs on things significantly better clas than the pre. Feb 10 05:14:18 so it does work Feb 10 05:14:20 full xorg Feb 10 05:14:30 with multitouch even Feb 10 05:15:01 well, running on better stuff than pre doesn't say it can run on pre (though I don't doubt it can) Feb 10 05:15:34 it can Feb 10 05:15:47 as tmzt said.. it runs on a gta01/02 Feb 10 05:15:49 are you guys talking about g buzz Feb 10 05:15:53 which is miles behind a pre Feb 10 05:16:05 Pre Plus :) Feb 10 05:16:05 so far that its far over the horizon and out of sight Feb 10 05:16:14 destinal-home: so you would use something like libvncserver_0.9.1-2_arm.ipk Feb 10 05:16:34 but why we should need 512mb for something that used to run nicely in 4mb I don't know Feb 10 05:16:52 I've got the plus :) Feb 10 05:17:11 well hidd plugins use linux input devices Feb 10 05:17:13 edektor: there's significant development involved to tie the vnc server code into luna Feb 10 05:17:25 if they use linux input uinput should work Feb 10 05:17:39 but probably won't enumerate so you still need a plugin Feb 10 05:17:46 not uinput unless you mean on the emulator Feb 10 05:17:55 why? Feb 10 05:18:20 I did a quick POC a long time ago with uinput Feb 10 05:18:31 to inject keyboard keys Feb 10 05:18:48 egaudet: hmmm, on a pre? Feb 10 05:18:52 but it was ugly and device specific way to cram it in there Feb 10 05:19:14 destinal-home, yeah, you convinced me hidd was the path to go back then Feb 10 05:19:24 I see Feb 10 05:19:33 you have the abi now so it shouldn't be hard Feb 10 05:19:38 egaudet: I was sure the GPIO keyboard pins were never connected to anything so standard. Feb 10 05:19:49 but at any rate, yeah, it can be device specific Feb 10 05:20:00 gpio keyboard? Feb 10 05:20:13 destinal-home, nope I'm pretty sure they are connected right to the standard linux input subsystem Feb 10 05:20:38 I remember reading the kernel patch code of it. Feb 10 05:20:44 cat /sys/class/input/unput*/name Feb 10 05:21:01 cat /sys/class/input/input*/name Feb 10 05:21:05 I also used uinput and made it go to as input0 which hidkeypad was using Feb 10 05:21:20 I also used uinput and made it go to as input0 which hidkeypad was using and saw mojo keystrokes from my c dummy test program Feb 10 05:26:30 hey, i'm trying to scp a file to my pre Feb 10 05:26:34 what' s the port? Feb 10 05:26:40 i keep getting conn refused on my ip Feb 10 05:26:45 but I'm ssh'd in on port 222 Feb 10 05:27:08 okay Feb 10 05:27:09 egaudet: well,that should prove it. I still think hidd is the right way to interface (both as a device and as software needing UI from devices) though Feb 10 05:27:10 i'm a dumbass Feb 10 05:27:13 -P Feb 10 05:27:16 and gaffney just kicked my ass Feb 10 05:27:19 yes Feb 10 05:27:21 i r dum Feb 10 05:27:22 again Feb 10 05:27:31 heh, no worries Feb 10 05:27:44 it's annoying that it's -p for ssh and -P for scp Feb 10 05:27:52 heyo, how do I find the compile flags for GLES? Feb 10 05:28:25 Thesolonius: I changed my port on the pre to 22, and so don't need to mess with that now Feb 10 05:28:42 oooh Feb 10 05:28:43 very cool Feb 10 05:29:08 just find the upstart script in /etc/event.d with 222 in it and replace all instances of 222 with 22 Feb 10 05:32:10 you're still using dropbear? Feb 10 05:32:36 destinal-home: or just install it from Preware ;-) Feb 10 05:33:20 rwhitby: oh, the one in preware uses 22 now? I'm so out of touch (still manually running the optware bootstrap for all that stuff) Feb 10 05:33:28 :P Feb 10 05:33:43 destinal-home: preware packages use port 22, ssh keys, wifi, by default. Feb 10 05:35:02 egaudet: optware has a smaller memory footprint. if you haven't noticed, memory is precious on pre :) (then again, an ssh server can spend most of its time swapped out I suppose) Feb 10 05:35:11 s/optware/dropbear/ Feb 10 05:35:11 destinal-home meant: egaudet: dropbear has a smaller memory footprint. if you haven't noticed, memory is precious on pre :) (then again, an ssh server can spend most of its time swapped out I suppose) Feb 10 05:35:32 problem with brain keyboard interface Feb 10 05:35:45 yea and the leaving an ssh-agent open everytime swipe a terminal away can't help Feb 10 05:36:04 egaudet: touché Feb 10 05:36:40 terminus and terminal both do it, and I don't know where the correct place to fix it is Feb 10 05:36:53 then again haven't looked into it and have taken your "exit" advice :P Feb 10 05:37:15 destinal-home: these days I recommend running the preware-bootstrap script, then installing the OpenSSH SFTP Server from Preware's optware section. If you used meta-doctor, then your keys will already be on the device. Feb 10 05:37:19 egaudet: what causes ssh-agent to be immune to the cascade kills it should be receiving? Feb 10 05:37:26 egaudet: that's been removed from the latest version Feb 10 05:38:39 oh I didn't realize that rwhitby Feb 10 05:39:03 i fear the day I use the regular doctor again Feb 10 05:39:25 because I know for sure that it might take me hours to realize dev mode has to be manually turned on :P Feb 10 05:39:30 egaudet: the profile.d script has been removed Feb 10 05:39:42 egaudet: yeah, that's bitten me more than once Feb 10 05:40:11 is there a good way to figure out what options I need to gcc to pull in glu.h or gl.h? Feb 10 05:43:01 Hola WHE's and WHE-ettes Feb 10 05:44:31 Is there anyone for which http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.palm.update2g-pre actually works on their Pre? Feb 10 05:44:45 We need to know how it works. Feb 10 05:46:15 I get "This application cannot run on your current operating system. Use the Updates app to install the system update and try again." Feb 10 05:47:24 on 1.3.1? Feb 10 05:47:34 rwhitby, didn't it say it was only for 1.3.1 and 1.3.2 ? Feb 10 05:47:58 it's not even for pre though, more for pixi really Feb 10 05:48:19 surprised it took them so long to make that Feb 10 05:48:29 jacques: it says that it should only be run on 1.3.1 or 1.3.2, but I wasn't aware that Palm could mark a "highest webOS version" on an app, as opposed to a minimum webOS version. Feb 10 05:48:29 hey hey Feb 10 05:48:39 so I'm trying to follow the instructions to compile doom Feb 10 05:48:46 and I'm running into a different kinda error Feb 10 05:48:47 Kyusaku: there are separate versions for Pre and Pixi Feb 10 05:49:02 Error: $_TextureNumForName: SW1BLUE not found Feb 10 05:49:09 $ == R Feb 10 05:49:22 anyone familiar? Feb 10 05:49:44 interesting that they made a pre version Feb 10 05:49:50 Thesolonius: probably the right WAD file isn't there Feb 10 05:50:00 omfg Feb 10 05:50:10 I just read the EXACT same thing from google Feb 10 05:50:16 shame on me for not googling first Feb 10 05:50:18 I am so sorry Feb 10 05:50:35 Kyusaku: why? GSM Pre uses 2G. Feb 10 05:51:01 rwhitby: but still has wifi to get OTA updates Feb 10 05:51:18 Kyusaku: but some people don't have wifi Feb 10 05:51:49 hmm I just had an idea retranslations. feed the strings.json to the google translate api Feb 10 05:52:07 would be good enough for a first pass. Feb 10 05:54:00 have you guys seen could not initialize sdl, as an error when running doom? Feb 10 05:55:13 also, unable to open /dev/fb1 Feb 10 05:55:47 Thesolonius: what version of webos are you running Feb 10 05:55:56 Thesolonius: and what device? (pre, pixi, emulator?) Feb 10 05:56:00 pre Feb 10 05:56:08 oh christ, I dunno the version Feb 10 05:56:11 most recent, i belive Feb 10 05:56:28 Thesolonius: did you ever install mytether? Feb 10 05:56:34 yes Feb 10 05:56:35 that breaks SDL stuff Feb 10 05:56:37 in fact I did Feb 10 05:56:38 oh shit Feb 10 05:56:43 I ran the installer Feb 10 05:56:47 uninstalle Feb 10 05:56:51 what do I do to remove it? Feb 10 05:56:56 well I think it's only if the wifi kernel module is enabled that it happens Feb 10 05:57:20 so, turn off wifi and rerun? Feb 10 05:57:23 so if mytether is installed but the wifi module is disabled (which I think is an option) it goes away Feb 10 05:57:33 hrmm Feb 10 05:57:34 not wifi on the pre but the mytether wifi hack Feb 10 05:57:38 kk Feb 10 05:57:42 i think that was off Feb 10 05:57:45 when I uninstalled Feb 10 05:57:58 fortunately, I think I left the scripts on the device Feb 10 05:59:34 no small amount of irony that I had to order a new pre today on account of my screen going out Feb 10 06:00:38 well crap Feb 10 06:00:46 how do I undo the mytether stuff? Feb 10 06:00:53 or do I just wait for my new pre to arrive? Feb 10 06:00:54 full erase and doctor Feb 10 06:01:00 hrmm Feb 10 06:01:01 kk Feb 10 06:01:10 if I have a backup of my app data can I preserve it? Feb 10 06:01:43 jeebus, what do I care? i've got like 3 things on there Feb 10 06:04:34 goddamn, why can't a guy just install illicit software on his phone and have everything work? Feb 10 06:04:42 Thesolonius: lol Feb 10 06:05:24 I hear the new version have lots less fallout (but I still hope we can have a good open solution so people don't need it) Feb 10 06:05:26 20 minutes for webos doctor to download? that might call for shots Feb 10 06:05:41 Thesolonius: wow.. 3 minutes on my home broadband Feb 10 06:05:51 yea, I'm at a bar Feb 10 06:06:14 destinal-home: yeah, I managed to get the MyTether author to change the install script to use best practices. Feb 10 06:06:17 on my home network I can shotgun the work wireless (yes, I live within 2 blocks of work, and yes, I am often late to work) Feb 10 06:07:08 ive been patch free for like.. 2 days or something Feb 10 06:07:10 rwhitby: I always wonder how to feel since we basically defined best practices for pre (then again a lot of what we decided we based on what palm chose) Feb 10 06:07:10 maybe 3 Feb 10 06:07:18 either way, this is crazy Feb 10 06:08:13 destinal-home: how else would you feel other than proud? Feb 10 06:08:32 rwhitby: good point. I think the track record shows we did pretty well :) Feb 10 06:09:03 rwhitby: Did you ever get him to use kill right? Feb 10 06:09:33 Thesolonius: ? Feb 10 06:09:43 I had to post back instructions to modify his apple script cause he was misusing kill from it Feb 10 06:09:52 ouch Feb 10 06:09:52 or there was an effin huge PEBKAK error Feb 10 06:10:49 I guess I would be more forgiving for something he was just giving away, but for what mytether sells for, quality control is, I think, expected Feb 10 06:11:04 yea, i paid the 15 bucks Feb 10 06:11:11 no that I'm complaining Feb 10 06:11:19 i have gotten huge amounts of use out of it Feb 10 06:11:45 well over the 15 bucks worth by a couple orders of magnitude in billable hours Feb 10 06:14:35 so, you guys have been remarkably helpful tonight Feb 10 06:14:37 thanks to all Feb 10 06:15:01 Thesolonius: you're welcome, hopefully post doctor everything goes smoothly Feb 10 06:15:29 :-D Feb 10 06:15:55 I'm really happy people are getting some good use out of that article on building, packaging, installing stuff Feb 10 06:17:06 hopefully in the near future palm's SDK recognizes type: game which eliminates the need for my game-fix script Feb 10 06:19:14 OMG LOL, mgaffney is swaying to a karaoke version of piano man!!! Feb 10 06:19:17 everyone laugh at him! Feb 10 06:19:37 you're embarrasing yourself Feb 10 06:19:41 mr piano man Feb 10 06:19:48 gaffo says what? Feb 10 06:20:05 *pwned* Feb 10 06:23:15 you realize I can just punch you in the kidney Feb 10 06:23:50 * rwhitby renames channel to #the-odd-couple Feb 10 06:24:05 Thesolonius: heh, you guys are logged in from the same bar? Feb 10 06:24:27 yessir Feb 10 06:24:29 I suspect they are married or dating. Feb 10 06:24:39 hey hey, gaffo, are we dating? Feb 10 06:24:43 and did you tell nicole? Feb 10 06:24:46 cause she'd be pissed Feb 10 06:24:54 so would carrie Feb 10 06:25:30 yeah, they're both short tho, so I can fend em off Feb 10 06:25:42 whoa now Feb 10 06:26:18 voice? Feb 10 06:26:24 for Sargun? Feb 10 06:26:38 must be a big whig Feb 10 06:26:55 what? Feb 10 06:27:12 nothin, brother, I'm a lil drunk Feb 10 06:27:21 are you guys at the Blue Moon? Feb 10 06:28:28 isn't that a brothel in nevada? Feb 10 06:28:35 or is that the half moon? Feb 10 06:28:47 I'm drinking blue moon Feb 10 06:28:53 does that count? Feb 10 06:29:16 ah, that's what I was channelling then. Feb 10 06:30:30 what is blue moon? Feb 10 06:30:36 I'm somewhat frightened to google Feb 10 06:31:21 what is "the" blue moon? articles are important Feb 10 06:31:51 34% on webos doctor. Excited to see doom run on my phone Feb 10 06:31:58 then checkers, if all goes well Feb 10 06:33:16 it would be nice if palm-emulator supported new versions of virtualbox so I could try them, maybe my USB support would be more reliable in win7 Feb 10 06:33:43 what problems are you having? Feb 10 06:34:24 Thesolonius: I have a linux VM that I keep trying to connect to my Pre, it works sometimes and not others. Feb 10 06:35:02 over what? Feb 10 06:35:05 this last time it seems to have frozen the virtualbox UI (though the VM itself is still going) Feb 10 06:35:13 oh wow Feb 10 06:35:36 what distro of linux? Feb 10 06:35:38 Thesolonius: just trying to connect the virtual USB on the virtualbox machine to the actual USB on the PC Feb 10 06:35:55 ooooh Feb 10 06:35:56 okay Feb 10 06:36:00 to the Pre device specifically Feb 10 06:36:10 so, gaffo is running linux as the host machine, i'm running mac os Feb 10 06:36:21 neither of us is runnin win Feb 10 06:36:25 yeah, part of my problem is likely that I'm running windows 7 Feb 10 06:36:31 or maybe most or all of the problem Feb 10 06:36:49 heh Feb 10 06:36:55 lol, run vbox to run ubuntu to run vbox to run your vm? Feb 10 06:37:05 heh, uh, no Feb 10 06:37:09 :-) Feb 10 06:37:12 :) Feb 10 06:37:23 wish I had a solution Feb 10 06:37:56 :-/ Feb 10 06:37:58 Thesolonius: alcohol / nutrient solution such as blue moon will do find Feb 10 06:38:01 s/find/fine/ Feb 10 06:38:01 destinal-home meant: Thesolonius: alcohol / nutrient solution such as blue moon will do fine Feb 10 06:38:06 i am now convinced that there is no greater punishment than being forced to compile with gcc 2.96 Feb 10 06:38:16 did you want /g on the end of that? Feb 10 06:38:19 or single instance only Feb 10 06:38:31 :-P Feb 10 06:38:33 only one instance this time. not like.. Feb 10 06:38:36 s/i/1/g Feb 10 06:38:36 destinal-home meant: only one 1nstance th1s t1me. not l1ke.. Feb 10 06:38:41 lol Feb 10 06:38:54 bot semantics fail Feb 10 06:38:56 u guys r fun Feb 10 06:39:10 * destinal-home goes upstairs to grab a beer while doctoring back to 1.3.1 Feb 10 06:39:11 xcomp: wow, why are you doing that? Feb 10 06:39:41 jacques: i'm trying to upgrade my e17 installation on the simulator at work Feb 10 06:39:43 xcomp: and there is a greater punishment - g++ 2.96 Feb 10 06:40:07 and all I got is 2.96 Feb 10 06:40:38 if I compile with a different machine, it fails due to glibc incompatibility Feb 10 06:40:48 royal pita Feb 10 06:40:49 I would use 2.96 to build 3.3 Feb 10 06:40:58 yeah I have seriously considered that Feb 10 06:41:08 which I would use to build 3.4 -> 4.1 -> 4.2 -> 4.4 Feb 10 06:41:19 but I don't know if I have the time to build gcc Feb 10 06:41:30 oooh, yeah glibc - you can't build the latest gcc's against ancient glibc :-( Feb 10 06:42:11 just curious, what version of glibc is it? Feb 10 06:42:21 re rwhitby Feb 10 06:42:30 2.3.2 Feb 10 06:42:32 jacques: so you end up stepping along glibc and gcc both? (perhaps in a chroot?) Feb 10 06:43:03 jacques: see /msg Feb 10 06:43:16 i pretty much have my own rogue linux distro running in my install prefix at this point (since i don't have root Feb 10 06:43:24 rwhitby: my doctor seems to be stuck at 14% Feb 10 06:43:28 so I might as well make the leap and build gcc Feb 10 06:43:45 rwhitby: a lot of leaked file descriptors Feb 10 06:43:57 but that seems to be par for the course Feb 10 06:44:24 hmm, ok it jumped from 14 to 54 in a few seconds Feb 10 06:46:12 xcomp: you may as well just chroot yourself :) Feb 10 06:47:10 totally run a modern distro :) Feb 10 06:47:30 woot woot webos doctor has finished, restarting the phone Feb 10 06:50:37 rwhitby: are you getting my PMs ? Feb 10 06:50:57 Thesolonius: same here, but running 1.3.1 again for testing Feb 10 06:51:03 destinal-home: heh ... but then I wouldn't be able to actually do any work :) Feb 10 06:51:39 destinal-home: I figured out that mouse freezing issue Feb 10 06:51:45 ~~~~ Feb 10 06:51:46 ARGH!!! STOP IT jacques!!! Feb 10 06:51:57 ~beer Feb 10 06:51:58 * infobot has disconnected (Read error: 99 (Connection reset by beer)) Feb 10 06:52:20 cryptk|work: oh? Feb 10 06:52:47 it's also nice to know that -std=c99 means nothing whatsoever to gcc 2.96 Feb 10 06:52:54 yeah, I reinstalled ubuntu with a different mouse, my G7 disconnected... then connected the G7 after it was installed... it works great now... go figure... Feb 10 06:52:57 cursed be this compiler Feb 10 06:53:09 xcomp: damn straight Feb 10 06:53:11 I am thinking about trying mint... Feb 10 06:53:15 gak. sprint gave me the wrong msl code Feb 10 06:53:28 jhojho: lol Feb 10 06:53:30 and they are closed. grr Feb 10 06:53:45 now I need a way to impot my facebook phonebook into my Google Voice... Feb 10 06:53:57 * jacques wonders if rwhitby is having connection issues Feb 10 06:54:10 was trying out the gps hack. vmware no less Feb 10 06:54:18 on vmware that is. Feb 10 06:54:45 got all the way to where I'm prompted for the msl and what I have written down is wrong! grr. Feb 10 06:56:13 jhojho: oh, for usb passthrough? Feb 10 06:56:36 actually I was not prompted for a msl for usb passthrough Feb 10 06:56:47 had the usb passthrough patch installed Feb 10 06:56:56 went straight to the screen Feb 10 06:57:04 I thought the "use phone as GPS device" stuff is based on the same passthrough service though Feb 10 06:58:52 yes Feb 10 06:59:06 the patch bypasses the auth page apparently Feb 10 06:59:23 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/223956-patch-usb-passthrough-remove-code-add-launcher-usbpass.html Feb 10 07:04:09 do you guys think buzz will be on web os Feb 10 07:04:32 yes Feb 10 07:04:48 I hope so it looks really cool Feb 10 07:04:56 and I don't want a droid Feb 10 07:05:19 mad at vzw for advertising the pre plus to soccer moms Feb 10 07:12:59 how do I install optware packages Feb 10 07:14:05 1) install.preware.org Feb 10 07:14:28 2) install the Optware Advanced Linux Command Line Installer (also known as ipkg-opt) from Preware Feb 10 07:14:34 done Feb 10 07:14:36 done Feb 10 07:14:39 3) get a command line and type "ipkg-opt update" Feb 10 07:16:00 downloading now Feb 10 07:16:22 done Feb 10 07:17:31 now goto preware? Feb 10 07:17:45 no, now "ipkg-opt list" Feb 10 07:17:58 then "ipkg-opt install " Feb 10 07:57:46 so... google voice is definitely a bag full of awesome... Feb 10 07:58:16 and I used the patch to send all of your contacts as a vCard to email them all to myself... then I imported them all in to my google contacts... Feb 10 07:58:42 so every contact on my phone is now on the Google cloud... no matter if ti came from facebook, aim, wherever... Feb 10 07:58:49 gotta love multiple backups... Feb 10 08:09:48 cryptk|work, so you can pull and push to different accounts? or is that a hack? Feb 10 08:10:22 well, it just lets me have every contact in my google contacts Feb 10 08:10:40 I used the patch to put all of the contacts in my phone into a vCard and emailed it to myself Feb 10 08:10:50 then I went on the google voice website and imported the vCard Feb 10 08:10:59 so every contact I have is in my Google Voice Feb 10 08:17:03 it worked great... and now I have a place where every contact exists all at once... It will also help with reducing the amount of work I will have to do manually linking accounts if I have to doctor or whatever since I have a source that has everything properly linked up... after a future doctor synergy should get everything right from the initial import. Feb 10 08:41:37 jacques: ping Feb 10 08:54:21 www.search2.net Feb 10 08:56:05 Speedy1: what is that URL for? Feb 10 08:56:34 cryptk|work: I think that's a spam bot Feb 10 08:56:47 that is what I was thinking also... but typically they hut'n'run Feb 10 08:56:53 join channel, spam it up, leave channel Feb 10 08:56:56 true Feb 10 08:59:18 I think we hurt its feelings :-| Feb 10 08:59:32 poor baby Feb 10 09:00:28 argh... damn interwebs dropped out... Feb 10 12:25:58 hai Feb 10 12:59:11 hi Feb 10 13:26:57 hey hey, thx for the tip on using webos doctor to revert the phone post the mytether 2.0.4 install Feb 10 13:27:04 did the trick for getting doom to work Feb 10 13:28:02 hi guys, can we disable auto uppercase in textfield widget ? any one Feb 10 13:46:26 any one can help ? need to disable uppercase of first char in textfield ... Feb 10 14:06:53 hi Feb 10 14:29:16 ho Feb 10 15:02:09 he Feb 10 15:04:16 she Feb 10 15:07:36 Rupaul Feb 10 15:07:49 (sp?) Feb 10 15:07:54 hi Feb 10 15:09:02 so guys, help me here. Feb 10 15:09:36 Rick_work: always for you rick Feb 10 15:09:51 What all binary/sdl/whatever apps do we have packaged up and actually downloadable. I would like to lobby precentral for a post summarizing what we have before Palm's big announcement at GameDevCon. Feb 10 15:10:19 Doom, Quake, Terminus, Stella, sdlVNC, what else? Feb 10 15:11:00 a lot of half baked unpackaged mostly working ports :p Feb 10 15:11:04 Supertux? Feb 10 15:11:13 that tetris game Feb 10 15:11:16 vba Feb 10 15:17:27 anything else packaged up and downloadable that anyone can think of. Feb 10 15:17:30 ????? Feb 10 15:17:39 and is there anything else CLOSE? Feb 10 15:18:00 classicinvaders Feb 10 15:18:31 I thought that worked, isn't it done? Feb 10 15:18:46 yes Feb 10 15:19:38 ok, doom, quake, terminus, stella, sdlvnc, supertux, tetris, vba, and classic invaders. Feb 10 15:20:04 All of which are app catalog eligible probably when the pdk is released. Feb 10 15:21:03 Now, what's CLOSE.... DosBox is not close, because the keybindings are hard. X is not close because you guys can't figure out which version of X to work on, what is close? Feb 10 15:22:08 scummvm? Feb 10 15:22:52 Rick_work: flac support is close :p Feb 10 15:25:35 doohan is scummvm packaged? And if not, what's the issue? Feb 10 15:25:49 zsoc, that's your "third party media player" ? Feb 10 15:25:51 Oh no idea....sorry Feb 10 15:25:55 Just wishful thinking on my part Feb 10 15:26:46 Rick_work: uh.. no. it works in the standard media player. I have framwork for a 3rd party media player but it's way off into the future Feb 10 15:27:09 the wiki page on scummvm doesn't have ANYTHING about limitations or issues or plans. :( Feb 10 15:27:21 Does it say who was even working on it? Feb 10 15:27:23 zsoc, so you're patching in flac into the regular media player. Feb 10 15:27:38 Last I saw it, it was all pretty much do it yourself. Feb 10 15:28:13 doohan sepi / destinal Feb 10 15:28:45 as in sepisultrum? Feb 10 15:28:53 *prod* :) Feb 10 15:28:58 doohan I'm looking at the wiki changes log Feb 10 15:29:14 Rick_work: yeah. nothing binary about it really. we'll, except all th binaries. nothing 'pdk' about it tho, touches the fs all over the place Feb 10 15:30:05 IE8 is having problems with my JS, and I don't know why. Error: "Object doesn't support this property or method" on line 11. Line 11 is this: bet = 0; Feb 10 15:30:06 Rick_work: and there's no 'patch'. it's a customer file indexer, some new gst plugins, and a service to prod the fileindexer / mediaserver Feb 10 15:30:27 VincentLaw: don't use IE? Feb 10 15:30:39 s/customer/custom/ Feb 10 15:30:42 odd typo Feb 10 15:30:45 zsoc: obvious answer, and it works in firefox/chrome, but I don't know why IE is dying on something so... simple? Feb 10 15:30:49 VincentLaw, maybe it's counting or removing blank lines and comments? Feb 10 15:30:55 there was an earthquake in chicago?!??! 3.4 Feb 10 15:31:19 Rick_work: 3.4 isn't exactly something to get excited about... Feb 10 15:31:27 4.3 Feb 10 15:31:28 sorry Feb 10 15:31:39 oh, you might feel that Feb 10 15:31:41 doohan: I'm looking into that but honestly the code all above it is rather basic too Feb 10 15:31:43 and still not except for of course, that you NEVER have earthquakes in chicago. Feb 10 15:32:28 Ok, wait a minute Feb 10 15:32:34 this is NOT a chicago earthquake. Feb 10 15:32:43 this is WAY WORSE. Feb 10 15:33:14 ? Feb 10 15:33:23 rick_work: ? Feb 10 15:33:33 map shows the epicenter in extrme southern Il. Feb 10 15:34:06 and? Feb 10 15:34:18 4.3 isn't enough to barely knock a book off a shelf Feb 10 15:34:27 headline: "Rare earthquake rattles northern Ill.; no damage" Feb 10 15:34:44 if the first map I saw is right, then that would have been on the big fault that destroyed St Louis and re-routed the mississipi back in the 1800's. Feb 10 15:34:49 but that map was wrong.... Feb 10 15:34:56 usgs has it just west of elgin. Feb 10 15:35:02 Google news link: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jhUelbKIlqA_R8hWfoiAhYX8ArywD9DPCNI80 Feb 10 15:35:39 (from the AP) "The USGS initially reported the magnitude as 4.3 but later downgraded it. USGS geophysicist Amy Vaughan says such quakes are rare in northern Illinois." Feb 10 15:35:55 usgs site now says 3.8 Feb 10 15:35:59 nevermind. Feb 10 15:36:08 crisis averted Feb 10 15:36:33 rick_work had me worried for a moment, I have family and dear friends in Illinois Feb 10 15:36:37 when I saw the first map, my mind thought "Oh Shit a fore-shock on the new-madrid." Feb 10 15:36:46 my daughter is in chicago. Feb 10 15:37:37 but as long as this is a deep central plate quake up by chicago, no big deal. If the new-madrid lets go, Katrina will have been as nothing.... Feb 10 15:38:02 dose somebody know if there are plans to create a gui for vpnc? Feb 10 15:38:04 Rick_work: you are very dramatic Feb 10 15:38:30 I am. have you ever heard of the New Madrid fault? Feb 10 15:38:31 sup rick Feb 10 15:38:40 as little as possible DrF Feb 10 15:38:40 I wikid it :p Feb 10 15:39:59 well, back to work. Feb 10 15:40:13 rick_work: everyone knows that In March 13, 2009, a research group based out of Northwestern University and Purdue University, funded by the United States Geological Survey, reported in the journal Science that the New Madrid system may be "shutting down" and that tectonic strain may now be accumulating elsewhere.[26] Feb 10 15:40:17 all this dam snow now I have to clean it ack Feb 10 15:40:42 Ignore the "[26]" citation at the end there. No way that I just pasted that from wikipedia ... that's all original work. Feb 10 15:40:49 it's a good ole fashion nor'eastah! Feb 10 15:41:15 egaudet: tell me about it Feb 10 15:41:51 we got like 8 in so far and still strong Feb 10 15:42:13 DrFunk: at least you aren't at work in it Feb 10 15:43:11 they closed my job Feb 10 15:44:15 It has really tapered off here (Philly) -- so I just thought to myself "this wasn't so bad" ... then I just checked the local news sites and their headlines are "the worst hasn't happened yet" Feb 10 15:44:44 lol @ nt4cats Feb 10 15:45:02 I'm in CT Feb 10 15:45:17 I'm sick of the cold Feb 10 15:45:41 mdklein: cut open a tauntaun and crawl inside Feb 10 15:46:00 zsoc: ping Feb 10 15:46:04 mdklein_: tell me about it Feb 10 15:46:24 xaiki: hey it's you Feb 10 15:46:37 dam I think that was the quickest ping I ever seen Feb 10 15:46:37 lol Feb 10 15:46:45 * nt4cats 's kids have been upstairs and quiet for 20 minutes. This can't possibly be good. BRB. Feb 10 15:46:47 egaudet: ? Feb 10 15:48:16 brb also Feb 10 15:50:28 I think GameLoft rocks (just a little bit) Feb 10 15:57:51 wow Feb 10 15:58:00 that's all I can say lmao Feb 10 15:58:02 Precentral.net is reporting "Palm employees specifically said that Flash would be available in February." at a recent event Feb 10 15:58:20 http://www.precentral.net/flash-webos-confirmed-february Feb 10 15:58:33 well, that IMPLIES pixi gpu in feb. Feb 10 15:58:45 unless they keep failing at that. but the pixi folks will be PISSED. Feb 10 15:59:08 but there's no point in asking anyone, especially geist :) Feb 10 15:59:13 (yesterday they reported that v1.4 will be released on the 15th) Feb 10 15:59:25 I thought chris said most of palm people use the pixi... you'd think they'd open those up faster :-p Feb 10 15:59:30 Rick_work: did they even relase the beta yet ? Feb 10 15:59:51 release* Feb 10 16:00:02 * xaiki saw it working yesterday. Feb 10 16:00:09 at the french Palm event. Feb 10 16:00:20 it's shipped as an app in the app catalogue. Feb 10 16:00:37 DrFunk: I understand that palm has a pretty restrictive NDA for people who get early access to things ... so I wouldn't expect anyone to discuss what they've seen. Feb 10 16:00:45 flash ? Feb 10 16:00:46 (unless it is something they've seen publicly) Feb 10 16:01:32 nt4cats: thought it was public now you can sign up Feb 10 16:02:16 DrFunk: I understand/infer from what I've read publicly that the first "release" from Adobe will be labeled Beta. I'm not saying this authoritatively nor due to any special inside information, that's just what I understand/infer Feb 10 16:03:09 DrFunk: .. and putting 2 and 2 together (really 0.02 and 0.02) my conjecture is that the beta will be released in the App Catalog in February Feb 10 16:03:32 My understanding is that FLASH is not available under a palm NDA at this time. I have heard that you have to have an ADOBE NDA to have the alpha of flash, and that this involves trolls hiding under the beds of your children prepared to eat them, and explosive collars attached to your pets. Feb 10 16:05:20 DrFunk: to be perfectly clear -- I am not, in any way, an "insider". I know only what I read on precentral.net (and similar sites), and what I see discussed here. I do not want to misrepresent myself or pretend to have some special position in the community ... Feb 10 16:06:13 no not at all look @ ur pm Feb 10 16:11:55 DrFunk: I am replying to your PM's Feb 10 16:19:20 the more I try to use ares the more it annoys me Feb 10 16:19:21 I just thought to myself (not kidding): "I wish there was some way to search for Pre software that looked at homebrew, official apps, palm beta/web-only apps, etc." (I want to find apps that upload photos). Feb 10 16:19:35 ... then I rememebered there is that thing called PreWare. Feb 10 16:19:57 flickr uploader btw :p Feb 10 16:20:54 catz Feb 10 16:20:58 ack Feb 10 16:21:04 VincentLaw: to use flickr you need an account there, right? Feb 10 16:21:16 yeah, it's free, but yeah Feb 10 16:21:45 VincentLaw: I'd rather something like imgur.com Feb 10 16:22:01 well there's the twitter apps as well Feb 10 16:22:02 but Feb 10 16:22:07 other than that I can't think of anything Feb 10 16:22:24 k I give up on ares Feb 10 16:22:58 doesn't give me nearly enough information to figure out what's going on, and lack of basic functionality like /moving files/ is getting on my nerves Feb 10 16:23:16 VincentLaw: I was thinking of trying to do a imgur.com uploader as my first Ares app ... Feb 10 16:23:18 :) Feb 10 16:23:36 ares is frustrating Feb 10 16:24:16 they focused a lot of effort on the automagic part of the development, like the scene layouts, and forgot to include basic functionality for working with your assets and debugging decently >.> Feb 10 16:24:24 I don't think there's even an option for inspector in ares Feb 10 16:24:56 I haven't done much more than make sure it launches for me Feb 10 16:25:34 I loaded it once, thought, "hrm, that's fancy"... and haven't looked again :( Feb 10 16:29:25 VincentLaw that's an interesting claim. Feb 10 16:29:35 first, yes, ares does support inspector Feb 10 16:29:43 second, ares is the ONLY way the debugger actually works. Feb 10 16:29:51 I certainly agree that moving files is a pain. Feb 10 16:30:34 But for single-stage apps, it's just pretty darned fast. Feb 10 16:31:41 hey, no mojo talk in here Feb 10 16:31:42 :p Feb 10 16:33:32 does anyone happen to know if I could use a double length usb->micro usb b cable with my car chargeer and still get adequte charge to my pre for gps/music? Feb 10 16:33:48 I'm clueless on power-over-usb spec and my googlefu has been weak on the subject Feb 10 16:34:21 i'd think the loss ove the cable would be negligible for DC Feb 10 16:34:28 but trying to do HS comms over it may be more difficult Feb 10 16:34:32 I'd second that thought Feb 10 16:34:46 i like how mdklein has my back Feb 10 16:34:48 :) Feb 10 16:34:57 HS comms? Feb 10 16:35:01 high speed communication Feb 10 16:35:02 sorry Feb 10 16:35:04 ah Feb 10 16:35:04 480Mbps Feb 10 16:35:16 punzada: I am not an electrical engineer, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express recently. I would expect that at the low power (and DC at that) we're talking about, the cable length wouldn't be much of a factor at all Feb 10 16:35:36 that's 3 yes'!! Feb 10 16:35:54 okay, I'm just clueless when it comes to DC/car stuff in general, and that news makes me happy for my pre in car setup I want Feb 10 16:36:15 we're here to serve Feb 10 16:36:42 damn straight ;P Feb 10 16:36:57 how long is your car? I thought USB cable length limit was 5m? Feb 10 16:37:09 [11:29:27] <+Rick_work> first, yes, ares does support inspector <-- if it does I sure don't see any option for it Feb 10 16:37:47 punzada - for powering inside your car, the only thing going through the USB cable is 5 volts dc. You could make the freaking cable 100 feet long and it wouldn't care. Feb 10 16:37:57 mdklein: I just needed about double (i assume) of the 2.5 foot stock one so I can run the wire nicely underneath the plastics in the center console and out of the glovebox/dash where my pre is going to be mounted Feb 10 16:38:21 oh, that'd be fine even for hs comms I think Feb 10 16:38:27 VincentLaw that's because inspector has to run on your PC. You launch an app in ares, in the emulator and it's automatically inspectable. Run the inspector and you're all set. Feb 10 16:38:41 but, I dont need high speed comms either Feb 10 16:38:43 but yeah, length shouldn't affect charging only either Feb 10 16:39:03 Rick_work: not working Feb 10 16:39:05 my deck isn't USB, it'll be p-sub to rca to ministereo to pre Feb 10 16:39:07 that's what I had tried Feb 10 16:39:20 works fine when i do it from komodo, not from when I do it from ares Feb 10 16:39:21 so, slightly ghetto behind the dash but it'll sound better then FM transmitter Feb 10 16:39:24 [11:13] < brandon> lol Feb 10 16:39:27 whoops Feb 10 16:39:30 middle click Feb 10 16:40:29 punzada for power, do this too, make sure that the center two pins in the pre-end of the usb connector (the data wires) are shorted together. This tells the pre that the power connectors (the outer pair) is capable of delivering 1 amp instead of 500 ma, and so it sucks full charge. Feb 10 16:41:36 ooo, that I did not know, thanks for that tip Feb 10 16:42:23 That way, the pre only ever sucks 500ma out of a computer, because the data wires are busy doing data. Feb 10 16:43:01 that's how it TELLS THE DIFFERENCE. -- most car-chargers and wall chargers short the data wires inside the charger, so that the device knows it's a charger, even though you're using a regular usb cable. Feb 10 16:43:49 monoprice has a 15ft cable for $2.02... hrmmmm.. trying to decide if that would be handy or just get in the way Feb 10 16:44:12 yeah I was looking at monoprice for it earlier yesterday as well when I first was concreting this idea Feb 10 16:45:14 how should I go about shorting them on the cable end, just ...pliers? ;x Feb 10 16:47:08 you said you were going to sacrifice a cable... there will be four wires in the cable. make sure that the data wires are shorted, strip them, and twist them together and tape it up before you patch the power wires into your extension. Feb 10 16:49:02 ah, yeah, this cable will just be for that install, it will mostly be from car charger directly to pre still just ...longer and hidden, but for this use I can certainly do that Feb 10 16:50:32 Rick_work: the Pre bitches (or refuses to charge) if you plug it into some/all non-Palm car chargers. Do you know how it "knows"? I cover the camera when I do it ... Feb 10 16:51:48 nt4cats I've had it happen with PALM chargers. And no, I don't know why. I usually just unplug and plug again. but I do know that it's VASTLY more reliable if the data pins are shorted. it seems generally to come right up. If they aren't shorted, it may be busy trying to negotiate a data connection. Feb 10 16:52:28 Rick_work: that makes sense, thanks. Feb 10 16:53:32 VincentLaw you're right. :-( You have to use palm-run to trigger the app as inspectable once you've run it in the emulator. -- that's a pain in the butt. It didn't USED to be that way. I'll ask. Feb 10 16:53:55 Thanks for the heads up, I appriciate it, I'm trying to write this Ares book and I keep getting caught with hard parts. Feb 10 17:11:29 ouch. Long sidebar in the chapter on that. Thanks VincentLaw Feb 10 17:17:03 i need help Feb 10 17:17:34 with what? Feb 10 17:18:16 i downloaded a theme, and it messed up something, so i uninstalled the themes, and then i tried to install the emergency patch recovery Feb 10 17:18:27 nodnod Feb 10 17:18:41 thinking that maybe the theme had a hidden patch that went haywire with one of my already installed patches Feb 10 17:18:58 but now my phone wont connect to a pc, and in preware, there's no patch's feed Feb 10 17:19:20 i just made my latest theme, sshing it in now actually..good luck with that i bricked mine earlier, fixed it tho Feb 10 17:19:56 any suggestions? Feb 10 17:21:12 which theme? Feb 10 17:22:09 man i don't know.. it was one of the purple themes Feb 10 17:22:32 you understand that this makes it VERY hard for us to figure out what went wrong? Feb 10 17:22:55 i understand Feb 10 17:23:03 i tried pulling out the battery Feb 10 17:23:10 and unplugging it from pc Feb 10 17:23:29 and then plugging it in, then placing in the battery while holding the volume up button Feb 10 17:23:32 still no luck Feb 10 17:23:43 loopybandnerd that's the wrong procedure. Feb 10 17:24:04 loopybandnerd does the phone boot? Feb 10 17:24:09 yup Feb 10 17:24:11 and can you run preware? Feb 10 17:24:18 yup Feb 10 17:24:32 *grumble* for some reason my javascript/jquery is not loading inside a scene, it will only load when placed in the index.html Feb 10 17:24:45 ok, bring up preware, go to list of everything, and type me eme on the keyboard, and tell me what you have listed. Feb 10 17:25:17 VincentLaw that's correct. you can not lazy-load jquery. you can load it in sources.json or in index.html but not in a scene. Feb 10 17:25:20 ok h/o Feb 10 17:26:00 Rick_work: perhaps I should clarify. If I stick the .js in index.html, it will not be usable in a scene. is there some way I should be doing this? Feb 10 17:26:24 the JS AND my html must both be in the index.html for it to work Feb 10 17:27:25 (and yes I am doing noConflict) Feb 10 17:27:53 VincentLaw, what is your load line in index? Feb 10 17:28:22 ? Feb 10 17:28:38 then immediately following it is my .js: Feb 10 17:29:07 where are you putting those two js files? In the same folder as index.html? Feb 10 17:29:14 yes Feb 10 17:30:14 ok, then other than that you don't need type="text/javascript" -- it's entirely superfluous, then that procedure is exactly correct, and you should then be able to call the functions in those js files from any scene. Feb 10 17:30:28 but it's not the approved way to do it. Feb 10 17:30:51 ok eme gets me: "emergency service enabler, emergency migration helper, emergency patch recovery, emergency reconstruction utility Feb 10 17:31:10 well the thing is, I am trying to put the for it in a scene, but when I do, it's like jquery and my JS cannot see it any longer. so if there's a more "approved" way that will make that work, i'd be interested :p Feb 10 17:31:42 in your sources.json add two lines at the very top. In my othello program I have Feb 10 17:31:43 {"source": "app\/assistants\/othello.js"}, Feb 10 17:31:43 {"source": "app\/assistants\/slideshow.js"}, Feb 10 17:32:53 Rick_work: ok eme gets me: "emergency service enabler, emergency migration helper, emergency patch recovery, emergency reconstruction utility Feb 10 17:35:52 Rick_work: doing that still doesn't let me stick my in the main scene. if the aren't in index.html, it's like jquery/my JS cannot act upon them Feb 10 17:35:55 anyone remember where the black launcher icon is in shh i always forget Feb 10 17:36:13 ssh Feb 10 17:36:18 the path i mean Feb 10 17:36:32 prethemer appears to be down Feb 10 17:40:38 hmm wtf is wrong with novaterm today Feb 10 17:42:49 loopybandnerd run epr, eru and emh Feb 10 17:43:02 loopybandnerd if that doesnt work you'r going to have to doctor it and we'll help you with that. Feb 10 17:43:46 okay... Feb 10 17:43:58 VincentLaw what are you trying to accomplish? Feb 10 17:44:34 the way that scenes work is, the html for the scene is inserted into the dom of index.html IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE BODY TAG. Feb 10 17:44:58 so, when you push a scene, the html for the scene is inserted into the html of index.html Feb 10 17:45:39 if you need to have those divs be acted on by your animationjs or jquery, you'll have to include some code in the scene's assistant js file. Feb 10 17:45:49 You can NOT include any js in the scene's html. Feb 10 17:50:58 Rick_work ok i installed.... and still nothing Feb 10 17:52:23 loopybandnerd I think you're going to have to doctor it. Feb 10 17:52:34 fortunately, that's not as big a deal as it used to be. Feb 10 17:52:44 ok, but how do i do that if my phone wont even connect to my pc? Feb 10 17:52:58 right Feb 10 17:54:05 take the battery out. Hold the volume up button Plug the USB cable in DO NOT LET GO OF THE VOLUME UP BUTTON a giant USB symbol will appear on the screen. Put the battery in WITHOUT letting go of the volume up button. Then let go -- you can now run the doctor and it will connect. Feb 10 17:55:08 no good Feb 10 17:55:23 loopybandnerd you did something wrong. Feb 10 17:55:28 that's 100%. Feb 10 17:55:38 let's go through it step by step. Feb 10 17:55:42 1) battery out. Feb 10 17:55:54 you want me to unplug from pc? Feb 10 17:56:01 yep Feb 10 17:56:06 unplug, and battery out Feb 10 17:56:13 k Feb 10 17:56:29 now, on the PC run the doctor, and follow the instructions until it tells you to connect your pre. Feb 10 17:56:37 k Feb 10 17:57:01 now. HOLD THE VOLUME BUTTON UP and do not let go until I say. Feb 10 17:57:09 k Feb 10 17:57:13 with the battery still out, plug in the USB CABLE. Feb 10 17:57:30 you will get a giant USB symbol on the screen. Feb 10 17:57:44 i get a giant ? Feb 10 17:57:49 that's ok. Feb 10 17:58:02 k Feb 10 17:58:04 Now, leave the volume up pressed, and put the battery back in. Feb 10 17:58:16 k Feb 10 17:58:56 now you can let go of the volume button Feb 10 17:59:02 still wont connect Feb 10 17:59:10 what is on the screen of the Pre? Feb 10 17:59:17 the usb symbol Feb 10 17:59:24 restart the doctor. Feb 10 17:59:30 do not touch the pre. Feb 10 17:59:32 that's perfect. Feb 10 17:59:38 restart the doctor on the PC. Feb 10 18:00:49 Rick_work: I want the JS I included in the index.html (or sources.json) to be able to act upon the divs that are pushed into the body tag from the scene, like you had described Feb 10 18:01:03 restarting...... Feb 10 18:01:05 are you saying that the JS in the sources.json can only affect index.html and nothing else? Feb 10 18:01:16 VincentLaw no, I'm not saying that. Feb 10 18:01:34 what do you do to cause the div's to be acted on? Just have them EXIST? Feb 10 18:01:42 Rick_work Still no luck Feb 10 18:01:46 or do you have to trigger the action some how? Feb 10 18:02:41 currently my js does various animations and manipulation of src attributes for divs and imgs of HTML. I wanted to put that HTML into a scene and have it work. I don't really care where my JS ends up, as long as the whole thing works within my scene :/ Feb 10 18:03:07 the divs are acted upon by clicks on the divs, and by mere existing Feb 10 18:03:31 ok VincentLaw are you setting an onclick in your html of the div? Feb 10 18:03:57 I'm using the jquery equivalent, but I don't think it's even getting that far Feb 10 18:04:04 it's as if jquery doesn't see my divs in my scene Feb 10 18:04:14 can you paste JUST the div that you're trying to use? Feb 10 18:04:33 I can paste the uppermost I guess? Feb 10 18:04:43 any one. Feb 10 18:04:45
Feb 10 18:04:51 jquery acts on that by: Feb 10 18:05:22 jQuery('#content').stuff Feb 10 18:05:36 and where did you put THAT code? Feb 10 18:06:13 the jquery code is in animatespin.js, which I put in sources.json. the html I pasted is in main-scene.html Feb 10 18:06:24 right Feb 10 18:06:55 the jquery('#content').stuff needs to go in the activate method of the MainAssistant.js Feb 10 18:06:59 Rick_work Still no luck Feb 10 18:07:11 that can just be a CALL into the function in animate.js Feb 10 18:07:49 okay, is there a webos specific function for including that js in activate()? Feb 10 18:07:50 so if animate.js has a big pile of those, and there's a function in animate.js that says "SetUpAnimations()" you can just call SetUpAnimations() in activate Feb 10 18:08:24 VincentLaw can you pastebin your animation.js for me at webos.pastebin.com please? and I can answer that question. Feb 10 18:08:31 alright Feb 10 18:08:37 (you'll cringe most likely :p) Feb 10 18:08:46 VincentLaw I write HORRIBLE js. Feb 10 18:08:58 you'll still cringe :p Feb 10 18:09:02 pastebin'ing Feb 10 18:09:03 (YES YES, I KNOW we should move this to webos instead of internals. ) Feb 10 18:09:16 ah you're right, want me to join that? :p Feb 10 18:09:27 no this is ok until someone complains Feb 10 18:09:50 paste the URL for your pastebin back here. Feb 10 18:10:29 http://webos.pastebin.com/d6ced1392 Feb 10 18:12:27 Right VincentLaw got it. Feb 10 18:12:36 I know what the problem is. it's on line 3. :-) Feb 10 18:12:51 ah it doesn't like that? Feb 10 18:12:52 figures :p Feb 10 18:13:12 * VincentLaw tries it Feb 10 18:13:12 here's the thing VincentLaw -- you're calling documentready. Feb 10 18:13:23 when is the document ready? After index.html loads. Feb 10 18:13:45 but what you're doing is stuff that can't really happen until the SCENE is pushed. Feb 10 18:13:59 because those div's don't even EXIST until the scene is pushed. Feb 10 18:14:15 loopybandnerd: you need to have that USB symbol up to be in recovery mode IIRC. try, remove the usb cable from the pre. also remove the battery and put it back in. that way the device will be off and USB will be unplugged. now make sure the USB cable is plugged into the PC but not the pre, then hold down the volume up button on the left side of the pre and while holding it down, plug in the USB cable to the pre Feb 10 18:14:37 okay, so I should change that to a different wrapper function that I can call from activate()? Feb 10 18:15:22 so, change line 3 to say doAnimate = function() { Feb 10 18:15:41 and then, in the activate method of the main assistant just call doAnimate() Feb 10 18:15:56 which will then trigger everything you WERE triggering on document ready. Feb 10 18:16:33 I love you rick :p Feb 10 18:16:48 does this make sense? Feb 10 18:16:55 yes it makes sense now that I see it Feb 10 18:16:57 I accept small unmarked bills. Feb 10 18:17:31 now I can work on the proper "webos" portion of this app haha Feb 10 18:18:02 Rick_work: heh, in for the cash but trying to keep off the radar? :) Feb 10 18:18:36 rwhitby: so of course I just realized I ant redistribute the fileindexer hacked. so I'll have to copy the one on the phone and bspatch it Feb 10 18:18:53 zsoc: what has to be done to the fileindexer? Feb 10 18:19:24 destinal: make it crawl/pick various alternate filetypes to show up in the music player... flac/vorbis etc Feb 10 18:19:27 maybe wma Feb 10 18:19:50 zsoc: can we just replace the indexer with something open source or augment it with an external process? Feb 10 18:19:55 off to lunch bbl. Feb 10 18:20:11 destinal: yes, but I do not have the knowledge or resources Feb 10 18:20:27 destinal: meta-tracker would be what you'd need. Feb 10 18:20:39 destinal: I mean, it seems to just index everything on media internal, grab specific formats and look at meta data Feb 10 18:20:40 but you then need to find something that will interface in the rest of the Luna/Mojo stack. Feb 10 18:20:42 zsoc: also have you put what you know so far on the wiki ? Feb 10 18:21:08 destinal: when I'm not stranded at work in a snow storm Feb 10 18:21:17 zsoc: ouch Feb 10 18:21:50 destinal: xaiki: but my file indexer hack works :) picks up flac. Feb 10 18:22:10 zsoc: what did you have to do? Feb 10 18:22:10 xaiki: I ran into an interesting issue. we'll 2 actually Feb 10 18:22:28 destinal: hex edit the formats crawled :p Feb 10 18:22:29 zsoc: auto spell checks, I love the well -> we'll Feb 10 18:22:41 destinal: deal with it :p Feb 10 18:22:52 (go, webos!) Feb 10 18:22:55 huh, is vibrate not part of the regular palm api? Feb 10 18:22:55 :P Feb 10 18:23:35 xaiki: firstly, even with the plugin registered, typefindfunctions is super jacked, so I needed to rebuild it to even feed decodebin the right info Feb 10 18:23:42 but fixable Feb 10 18:24:19 more disturbingly tho, mediaserver won't start when told to play a flac file. but once it's started, it works fine. Feb 10 18:24:37 ie: if my upstart service pokes mediaserver at boot, works no problem Feb 10 18:25:27 regardless, I want to get _every_ plugin building in the widk, so we have options for an opensource media player Feb 10 18:25:33 all is going we'll so far Feb 10 18:25:55 hehe Feb 10 18:25:59 s/we'll/well/ Feb 10 18:26:00 zsoc meant: all is going well so far Feb 10 18:26:11 destinal: shut your face :p Feb 10 18:27:13 so I'm not sure how 'releasable' this is.. but let me tell you. it's frickin awesome to open the music player and play a flac file :) Feb 10 18:29:32 might be a dumb question..but if i use the sprint webos dr instead of the gsm one, would it work? Feb 10 18:30:04 zsoc: now crack zune pass's DRM and I will pay you handsomely :p Feb 10 18:30:57 VincentLaw: ...that sounds illegal. Feb 10 18:31:33 I should also note, flac fidelity from headphone out is pretty unreal Feb 10 18:31:38 anyone? cos the american firmware has yahoo built in i can change apn manually Feb 10 18:31:46 well you wouldn't necessarily need to strip the encryption, just allow playback on the pre is all I want. :p Feb 10 18:35:02 "In order to use the vibration API on palm, your application needs to have a "com.palm.*" namespace, as vibration on webOS is a private API. The caveat of doing this is that you are essentially indicating that your app should pretend to be a "Palm app" (rather than a Nitobi app, for example) ... and as a result your app will be denied from the Palm app catalog." Feb 10 18:35:13 is that still true? I could have sworn there were apps in the catalog that vibrated Feb 10 18:35:54 I believe there's a call that will vibrate that's not in the private namespace Feb 10 18:36:11 but the really flexible one that you can change pulse pattern/duration/etc I thought was private Feb 10 18:36:43 bah damn, figures Feb 10 18:42:35 iSmite: I think you can run whatever doctor you want, but you'll need to metadoctor it to get past the checks Feb 10 18:42:47 I used to use world ready on my sprint pre Feb 10 18:43:13 i just want to use yahoo which comes on the sprint one i just changed the webos.tar from a sprint one to my one is thta correct? Feb 10 18:43:40 iSmite: oh, I haven't tried just swapping out the webos.tar. Feb 10 18:43:49 I ran the whole other doctor entirely Feb 10 18:44:20 maybe if you just swap out webos.tar you don't need the metadoctor for check bypass, not sure Feb 10 18:45:56 well im gonna try it and we will see Feb 10 18:46:08 worth a go i buggered it up anyway theming it Feb 10 18:47:56 damn when i rename it back to jar from zip it wont open Feb 10 18:48:00 know why? Feb 10 18:50:22 well trying with the sprint one first. Feb 10 18:51:35 the other one renames to jar fine why not this one i get corrupt jar file Feb 10 18:51:39 iSmite: eh, could be your metadata. Jars may be a subset of zip, but there are specific requirements for them to work properly Feb 10 18:51:46 craaaap Feb 10 18:52:07 metadoctor does all this stuff for you Feb 10 18:52:25 can i do that though...i have limited knowledge Feb 10 18:52:45 well, if you have a linux / unix system, it's all makefiles Feb 10 18:52:48 nope sprint one wont work Feb 10 18:52:59 ill try 1.2.1 Feb 10 18:53:16 apparently that one doesnt check Feb 10 18:55:16 iSmite: ah, so the java jar format, in META-INF/MANIFEST.MF you have a Sha1 digest which is where the corrupt jar stuff comes from Feb 10 18:55:30 umm. ok :S Feb 10 18:55:37 again, meta-doctor fixes all this for you Feb 10 18:55:43 yeah but im thick Feb 10 18:55:51 ill do it somehow lol Feb 10 18:56:40 I think it's, get meta-doctor, do: Feb 10 18:56:41 make CARRIER=sprint unpack Feb 10 18:56:41 (do whatever changes you want to in the unpacked directory) Feb 10 18:56:41 make CARRIER=sprint pack Feb 10 19:00:36 nah thats above me Feb 10 19:00:38 lol Feb 10 19:00:58 if i cant download that one, and ic ant seem to find it even though everyone bloody has it ill have to try downgrading Feb 10 19:01:09 yeah, we need point and shoot gui's :) Feb 10 19:01:28 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/207472-webos-internals-meta-doctor-7.html#post2066144 Feb 10 19:02:04 iSmite: fyi, if you use 1.2.1 you'll lose 3d games Feb 10 19:02:13 iSmite: this can help you Feb 10 19:02:47 i dont get 3d games anyway. i heard if youre on gsm and dgrade to 1.2.1 you can then do an ota upgrade to sprint 1.3.5.1 Feb 10 19:05:05 although how i dont know because how can you get into the phone unless you bypass activation i dont get this Feb 10 19:07:42 well 1.2.1 is working Feb 10 19:07:57 so far so good Feb 10 19:09:00 then i should be able to whack on 1.3.5.1 Feb 10 19:10:49 my phone just turned on and its not going past 6% Feb 10 19:10:53 way too many taps to shut down the phone Feb 10 19:11:00 almost makes you want to just yank the battery out Feb 10 19:11:31 great it disconnected itself Feb 10 19:13:02 wtf it gets to 6% and reboots itself why?? Feb 10 19:13:25 * iSmite smacks palm Feb 10 19:13:55 haah the irony... apple guy fighting with a palm device Feb 10 19:14:07 palm guy happy as hell with apple finally approving his app Feb 10 19:14:24 you know what right at this minute im actually missing my iphone Feb 10 19:14:28 grrr Feb 10 19:15:25 haha, I definitely don't Feb 10 19:15:40 I had to use mine while testing this app and I kept trying to do gestures from the black area near the home button Feb 10 19:15:45 LOL Feb 10 19:16:04 makes so much sense to back swipe to back up in an app Feb 10 19:16:08 i still have mine i just cant be bothered to use it Feb 10 19:16:19 and multitasking.. I felt like I was in a box not being able to switch between apps Feb 10 19:16:29 you can get multitasing off cydia Feb 10 19:16:31 k Feb 10 19:16:41 cydia for the hack Feb 10 19:16:43 My best device I think would be WebOS on a device like the Nexus One Feb 10 19:16:59 yeah...hacks on cydia no worse than patches on pre Feb 10 19:17:17 least they uninstall properly 0.o Feb 10 19:18:18 brb got no ciga left gonna stab someone Feb 10 19:18:22 cigs Feb 10 19:18:52 haha Feb 10 19:23:39 :( Feb 10 19:23:58 buck up champ Feb 10 19:24:07 ok 84% sprint 1.2.1 god knows how im gonna get it to 1.3.5.1 after Feb 10 19:24:18 unless i can get my apn in it somehow Feb 10 19:24:21 OTA update? Feb 10 19:24:30 yeah how unless i put my apn in Feb 10 19:24:34 will it let me Feb 10 19:24:44 I missed the first half of the convo, so I dont know the full situation I guess Feb 10 19:24:51 is this ana ctual activated pre? or dev phone Feb 10 19:25:01 can you manually put in apn on 1.2.1 actual pre Feb 10 19:25:11 I honestly have no idea Feb 10 19:25:20 im fked if i cant rofl Feb 10 19:25:30 I DO know, that I'm about to head back into the snow with the four wheelers... eff coding Feb 10 19:25:33 haha later all Feb 10 19:25:36 yeah snowing here too Feb 10 19:25:37 cya Feb 10 19:26:11 hey, is mytether supposed to be in preware right now? Feb 10 19:28:30 is somewhat quiet in the neighbor channel Feb 10 19:28:36 Flashpass: mytether has never been in preware, and never will Feb 10 19:29:03 well thats great isnt it. i cant put in my apn so why did that idiot on precentral say you can ots update to 1.3.5.1 Feb 10 19:29:11 help! Feb 10 19:29:29 i need to bypass activation Feb 10 19:29:47 hmm maybe the other one will work.. Feb 10 19:30:34 *sigh* Feb 10 19:30:55 my alert dialog is dismissed after 8 minutes... Feb 10 19:31:00 that's strange Feb 10 19:31:39 comeonnn 1.3.5.1 installing now Feb 10 19:31:40 iSmite: what in the world are you doing Feb 10 19:31:52 its ok i did it now Feb 10 19:32:01 no i didnt Feb 10 19:32:57 ok on precentral they said, if you want to be on american fw if you downgrade and go on sprint 1.2.1, which is what i have done, you can then do an over the air update to 1.3.5.1. except you cant because on 1.2.1 it wont let me change the apn so i cant bypass activation Feb 10 19:33:33 any ideas? Feb 10 19:33:38 metadoctor? Feb 10 19:33:45 ugh i dont know how to use that Feb 10 19:33:49 again, what are you doing? I don't understand Feb 10 19:33:52 there's a wiki Feb 10 19:34:09 i want american firmware. im in uk Feb 10 19:34:13 we get f all Feb 10 19:34:15 oh. metadoctor Feb 10 19:34:35 ive managed to get on an old sprint one but it wont let me go to latest Feb 10 19:34:47 metadoctor is created and supported by webos-internals. any other methods will not be debugged here Feb 10 19:34:57 iSmite: so why don't you install the latest sprint version Feb 10 19:35:03 i cant Feb 10 19:35:10 it says not compatible with my device Feb 10 19:35:21 debilater: 1.3.5 has some kind of device check Feb 10 19:35:32 i dont understand that metadoctor i dont know what to do Feb 10 19:35:45 zsoc: oh I didn't know that, evil :) Feb 10 19:36:01 iSmite: there is a wiki page that spells it out for you Feb 10 19:36:06 im reading it Feb 10 19:36:09 its hard to me Feb 10 19:36:29 iSmite: each carrier has a howto about this too, you can find this on the palm page Feb 10 19:36:48 iSmite: I assume you use windows. you can follow the 'cygwin' instructions Feb 10 19:36:53 she's a mac user Feb 10 19:36:59 carriers not gonna tell me how to fake another one Feb 10 19:37:00 oh Feb 10 19:37:02 im on mac Feb 10 19:37:11 iSmite: we'll then, install virtual box with ubuntu Feb 10 19:37:12 the i didn't give it away? ;-) Feb 10 19:37:25 iSmite: so just use the instructions of your "target carrier" I meant Feb 10 19:37:48 zsoc: you can webos doctor fine from mac Feb 10 19:37:54 phew Feb 10 19:38:47 aw man i dont get this Feb 10 19:38:53 debilater: they want US firmware on their UK device. they need metadoctor Feb 10 19:39:05 yes i know i need it it just looks bloody complicated Feb 10 19:39:24 iSmite: download and install virtualbox. download and install ubuntu in your virtualbox. copy and paste command line instructions into a terminal Feb 10 19:39:36 why do i need all that virtual stuff when i have a mac Feb 10 19:39:54 is there someone elxe beside rwhitby who can initiate an ipkg build of a nonworking package to testing feed? Feb 10 19:40:00 and i pasted it in it asked me for a password Feb 10 19:40:00 s/elxe/else/ Feb 10 19:40:00 debilater meant: is there someone else beside rwhitby who can initiate an ipkg build of a nonworking package to testing feed? Feb 10 19:40:14 iSmite: because macs are no better than windows :p Feb 10 19:40:32 debilater: right now he's the only one I know of Feb 10 19:40:37 i cant do this i just need a 1.3.5.1 thats been changed Feb 10 19:41:03 what is a 'changed meid' Feb 10 19:41:04 iSmite: it's not LEGAL for someone to distribute a doctor to you, altered or otherwise Feb 10 19:41:04 zsoc: damn :) and it's just 6 down under Feb 10 19:43:34 zsoc: why won't mytether ever appear on preware? i thought i saw it mentioned in the latest precentral post... Feb 10 19:47:15 Flashpass: because mytether is a virus which breaks your phone Feb 10 19:47:49 Flashpass: if you're referring to freetether, it's in the testing deeds. Feb 10 19:49:08 mytether has been fixed I thought Feb 10 19:50:32 mdklein_: I believe it uses the Verizon hotspot thing, I still don't buy it Feb 10 19:52:29 mdklein_: the point is the developer has many times ignored our earnings and refused to take our suggestions to account. the fact that it no longer breaks your phone with a patch is irrelevant. Feb 10 19:52:52 s/earnings/warnings Feb 10 19:55:50 well thats it. i cant rename a zip to jar and i dont understand metadoctor Feb 10 19:55:56 soi have a brick Feb 10 19:56:19 iSmite: pre is never bricked, just doctor it Feb 10 19:56:28 to UK firmware Feb 10 19:56:41 i cant now can i it'll say not compatible wont it Feb 10 19:58:37 iSmite: ?o Feb 10 19:58:40 iSmite: no Feb 10 19:59:09 i still want the us firmware though why wont it just let me change over that tar file Feb 10 19:59:55 I have no idea what you're talking about Feb 10 20:00:37 ok to get 1.3.5.1 you have to take out the tar file from a sprint webos dr and put it into an o2 uk one and rename it to jar. except when i rename it to jar it goes corrupted Feb 10 20:00:53 so i cant run it Feb 10 20:01:36 iSmite: because you have to unpack it with jar and re-pack it with tar - these are different archive types Feb 10 20:02:41 hello! I just bought a palm pre today and am having fun with it. I'm walking through the steps of setting up a pppd script to call curl for DDNS. I've verified the command I'm typing into the script works fine, but the script never seems to fire. I've made sure the script is chmod 755 and I'm watching my server logs but curl never comes calling Feb 10 20:02:43 thats not what everyone else is doing- they rename it to zip, swap the files over then rename back to jar its worked for everyone else Feb 10 20:02:59 I would appreciate some help debugging this Feb 10 20:03:09 iSmite: tar or zip? that's different too Feb 10 20:03:42 there is a tar file inside the zip that you pull out of one and put into the other you dont unpack the tar or touch it Feb 10 20:03:44 zsoc: don't be an ass abt mytether, things are much improved Feb 10 20:04:14 well so then ... Feb 10 20:04:17 iSmite: we can't vouch for what random people on pc forums are saying Feb 10 20:04:33 well 8 people have said it thats why i tried it Feb 10 20:05:26 anyone else having problems with the manual ddns scripts? Feb 10 20:05:36 Robi_: unnecessary carelessness has caused countless debugging headaches for people. I'm not the one being an ass. Feb 10 20:05:43 nn7: there's a package on preware for this Feb 10 20:06:11 debilater: I saw there were a couple of special ones for standard ddns. I have my own already setup that I can call with curl. Feb 10 20:07:25 damnit i know what i did now Feb 10 20:07:29 if I ./09update-ddns from a prompt it works fine Feb 10 20:07:31 brb here goes nothin Feb 10 20:08:11 iSmite: if this works, please consider documenting it on the wiki Feb 10 20:08:45 it should work Feb 10 20:08:52 just swapping the tar files over Feb 10 20:08:59 brb ill let u know Feb 10 20:10:53 debilater: will the package suppot custom DDNS urls? Feb 10 20:11:43 nn7: I don't know, just saw it sometimes, but rwhitby made it so it will work because he is the man Feb 10 20:12:07 with an endorsement like that I'll have to give it a try Feb 10 20:13:30 nn7: it's in optware => utilities => ez-update Feb 10 20:15:16 ok thanks Feb 10 20:15:24 I was just looking through the packages Feb 10 20:16:04 anything you would recommend for ssh and possibly vnc (with tunneling)? Feb 10 20:21:34 wow. buzz is creepy Feb 10 20:22:04 so buzz does not work on webos even with trying the url hack (a la latitude) Feb 10 20:22:07 google is creepy Feb 10 20:22:48 but it does when trying it with chromium Feb 10 20:22:54 I've used it inside of Gmail and it's actually pretty awesome Feb 10 20:23:01 if enough of your friends use it too Feb 10 20:23:05 try this url maps.google.com/maps/m?mode=buzz Feb 10 20:23:23 now enable the latitude and buzz layers Feb 10 20:23:28 I think I messed something up Feb 10 20:23:33 I installed optware's ez-ipupdate Feb 10 20:23:50 no icon, so I used google which gave me a page explaining why file to update Feb 10 20:23:54 which is in /opt Feb 10 20:23:57 but my /opt is empty Feb 10 20:24:46 this is a map of all the buzzes in san francisco Feb 10 20:24:50 http://maps.google.com/maps/m?mode=buzz#ll=37.774649,-122.442884&z=14&view=map&uid=z130yrgrmz3vwrrxj04chtdqowj5ehawauk0k&lci=m,com.google.latitudepublicupdates&ac=l, Feb 10 20:27:42 debilater: something apparently went wrong Feb 10 20:28:35 debilater: looks like it didn't install right, I uninstalled it and will try reinstalling it Feb 10 20:32:25 ok, I found ez-ipupdate in /meda/cryptofs/apps/opt/bin Feb 10 20:33:06 ug, this ez-ipupdate is installed as a pppd script, which didn't seem to be firing for me Feb 10 20:34:14 maybe I have a different phone version and this stuff doesn't work Feb 10 20:38:54 so I went and tried to manually install optware rather than using preware. That failed with "bad address 'ipkg.nslu2-linux.org' Feb 10 20:46:11 nn7: do you have an internet connection? Feb 10 20:46:22 morning Feb 10 20:46:30 debilater: released and all is well? Feb 10 20:46:45 zsoc: yes, I had just downloaded the installer Feb 10 20:46:56 I just told my phone to reboot and now nova can't connect Feb 10 20:47:02 man, I have all kinds of issues today Feb 10 20:47:21 why am i only getting 22kb download on those files from here it says 1 hour 9 minutes!!! Feb 10 20:47:24 ez-ipupdate is in the wrong place, optware won't install, now novaterm is broken Feb 10 20:47:26 the webos dr ones Feb 10 20:49:10 well thats it theyve stopped, died, and wont download again Feb 10 20:49:14 im screwed Feb 10 20:49:29 oh no 12 hours remaining. i have 10mb connection. Feb 10 20:49:36 nn7: oh, ez-ipupdate probably hasn't been updated for the new optware installation method yet. Feb 10 20:49:40 i need to get them somewhere else Feb 10 20:49:43 rwhitby: yes works but version was wrong and screenshots missing, I put it to 3.0.0 and fixed the screenshots, but otherwise I could install, run, play a game, finish, deinstall - all good Feb 10 20:49:52 (we're making optware packages be able to survive the webos Doctor) Feb 10 20:50:11 debilater: so 3.0.0 is good to go? Feb 10 20:50:40 rwhitby: another testfeed would be good with 3.0.0 Feb 10 20:51:39 debilater: did you take v3.0.0 ? Feb 10 20:51:42 s/take/tag/ Feb 10 20:51:42 rwhitby meant: debilater: did you tag v3.0.0 ? Feb 10 20:51:54 rwhitby: yes I did Feb 10 20:52:42 ok Feb 10 20:52:48 rebooted my laptop, I can log into my phone now Feb 10 20:53:03 maybe I'm jumping too far ahead, can someone help me do things the right way? Feb 10 20:53:16 I have root access into the phone with novaterm and I have preware installed Feb 10 20:53:40 I told preware to install the optware ez-ipupdate program Feb 10 20:53:56 the documentation for the ez-ipupdate program says it should be install in /opt but nothing is in /opt Feb 10 20:54:04 where else can i get the webos dr apart from palm its just dropping to under 20kb for the download i cant use my phone until this is done Feb 10 20:54:33 i was getting them in a couple of minutes earlier Feb 10 20:55:36 Stella 3.0.0 is in the testing feed now Feb 10 20:55:49 rwhitby: thx a lot Feb 10 20:56:11 debilater: Stella is very nice btw Feb 10 20:56:13 iSmite: we don't redistribute - we just give links to the palm site. it's a content delivery network for Palm, so it should be faster than that. Feb 10 20:56:23 its saying 3 hours Feb 10 20:56:42 nn7: did preware say that the optware bootstrap was installed as a dependency? Feb 10 20:56:55 yes, it installed the bootstrap Feb 10 20:57:51 rwhitby: yes it's there still with invalid screnshots (it shows the icon twice instead of the 3 screenshots I've put into the Makefile) Feb 10 20:58:36 rwhitby: 5, not 3 Feb 10 20:59:33 rwhitby: optware bootstrap is listed as an installed application in preware Feb 10 21:02:06 nn7: have you doctored since optware bootstrap was installed? Feb 10 21:02:27 debilater: sorry, didn't pull your changes Feb 10 21:02:35 rwhitby: no prob Feb 10 21:02:41 zsoc: and did you try it? Feb 10 21:03:09 debilater: I played with the loafer and the settings hehe Feb 10 21:03:12 debilater: did you remove the depends for a reason? Feb 10 21:03:14 rwhitby: the only thing I've done was look around to try and figure out what happened to ez-ipupdate. When it looked like things were wrong I uninstalled the app and the bootstrap and reinstalled them. The only thing I have done since then was reboot Feb 10 21:03:18 loader Feb 10 21:03:54 nn7: what version of preware and package manager service are you using to install them? Feb 10 21:04:23 preware 0.9.21 by WebOS Feb 10 21:05:10 rwhitby: nope I forgot them :) sorry Feb 10 21:06:05 hi guys! I get somessh error nowadays... "ssh_exchange_identification" any idea on how to get rid of that and get my ssh access back? Feb 10 21:06:28 rwhitby you have an email with a test copy of the translation files for Preware into italian Feb 10 21:06:57 debilater: updated stella 3.0.0 in testing feed Feb 10 21:07:07 Rick_work: yep, I also got a chinese version overnight Feb 10 21:07:37 cool. Feb 10 21:07:52 he said he wasn't sure that the italian one worked. he night have broken something Feb 10 21:07:54 bbl Feb 10 21:09:53 zsoc: the funny part is, that stella recognises if I swipe right=>left in the gesture area as escape-key, so perhaps I could use it as MOD key, e.g. tap gesture+s == ALT-s :) Feb 10 21:10:13 rwhitby: the optware bootstrap version is 1.0.0 Feb 10 21:10:23 not sure where to find the package manager service version Feb 10 21:10:34 nn7: preware will tell you Feb 10 21:10:50 nn7: in the installed packages area Feb 10 21:11:01 ahh Feb 10 21:11:04 rwhitby: yes now it looks perfect Feb 10 21:11:06 0.9.34 Feb 10 21:11:19 debilater: so good to release? Feb 10 21:11:53 rwhitby: I'd say Feb 10 21:12:10 hm.... Feb 10 21:12:14 bump? Feb 10 21:13:45 Stella 3.0.0 is released to Preware Feb 10 21:15:14 yeah :) Feb 10 21:15:34 rwhitby: any ideas? Feb 10 21:16:00 rwhitby: 1000 thanks for you help Feb 10 21:16:03 debilater: you want debilator or your real name in the tweet? Feb 10 21:17:04 only room for debilator if you want retweets Feb 10 21:17:27 nn7: ipupdate 3.0.11.7-4 now in the feeds - update to that first Feb 10 21:18:05 rwhitby: debilater is ok Feb 10 21:18:19 debilater: "Stella Atari Emulator in Preware courtesy of WebOS Internals developer debilator: http://bit.ly/webos-internals-stella" ok? Feb 10 21:18:55 ok, but debilatEr not debilatOr :) Feb 10 21:18:57 bit.ly/stella was already take Feb 10 21:19:13 fixed Feb 10 21:19:15 it's debil and later :) Feb 10 21:19:18 ok to send? Feb 10 21:19:20 ok Feb 10 21:21:29 iSmite: BTW, I develop meta-doctor on a Mac Feb 10 21:21:34 rwhitby: ok. uninstalled, updated feed, installed version -4 Feb 10 21:22:03 well at least one of the 2 of us knows how to use it thwn lol Feb 10 21:22:05 e Feb 10 21:23:15 zsoc: BTW, MyTether 2.1.0 has been fixed according to my instructions to the author, so it now installs and uninstalls cleanly and no longer breaks your phone. So if the author decided that it was no longer a commercial program, it could theoretically go into Preware with no hassles. Feb 10 21:23:33 rwhitby: I have /media/cryptofs/apps/opt/bin/ez-ipupdate but still nothing in /opt Feb 10 21:24:08 nn7: is /opt bind mounted on your device? Feb 10 21:24:37 rwhitby: /dev/mapper/store-var on /opt type ext3 Feb 10 21:25:05 nn7: ok, so the post-install script of ez-ipupdate should put a symlink in /opt/bin Feb 10 21:25:11 rwhitby: of course I understand that. do you really think sonic is going to remove the apps commercial nature? Feb 10 21:25:24 should it also create /opt/bin/ ? Feb 10 21:25:34 nn7: yes, it should Feb 10 21:25:35 lol. not sonic. aonic. Feb 10 21:25:43 the only thing in /opt/ is . and .. Feb 10 21:26:43 zsoc: no, I doubt that he ever will. that's the reason why it won't be in Preware. there is no longer any technical reason (I convinced him to fix those things to save us the debugging hassle) Feb 10 21:27:23 nn7: does /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lib/ipkg/info/mobi.optware.ez-ipupdate.postinst exist? Feb 10 21:27:31 rwhitby: ah, did you assist him with the hotspot api calls? Feb 10 21:27:38 zsoc: no Feb 10 21:27:58 I taught him how to package things properly. nothing more. Feb 10 21:28:05 ah ok Feb 10 21:28:17 rwhitby: yes, with its sha1 buddy Feb 10 21:28:49 zsoc: I felt the safety of the community (and less debugging for us) was far more important that any other opinions about the actual functionality of the application that anyone might have. Feb 10 21:29:10 I agree Feb 10 21:30:04 nn7: so that postinst script should have symlinked into /opt/bin Feb 10 21:31:29 should I run it? Feb 10 21:32:19 no, it should have been run by the package manager service when preware installed it Feb 10 21:32:35 nn7: does /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/50mobi-optware-ez-ipupdate exist? Feb 10 21:33:27 crap, novaterm just crashed Feb 10 21:34:31 nice to see stella... anyone working on mame? Feb 10 21:35:26 rwhitby: yes, it does Feb 10 21:35:57 nn7: that's weird - so some version of the postinst ran then. Feb 10 21:36:51 rwhitby: the time stamp looks like it was created when I installed version -4 Feb 10 21:45:17 rwhitby: any further suggestions? Feb 10 21:45:45 nn7: update feeds and install the -5 version Feb 10 21:45:52 roger Feb 10 21:45:56 I wonder when palm plans to publically release the pdk, I'm curious to see what the homebrew community is going to pull out once that's all in place Feb 10 21:46:36 nn7: I've confirmed that -5 version does the symlink on my Pre Feb 10 21:47:05 punzada: I suspect that it will just mean that all the SDL games we've been working on can go into the official app catalog Feb 10 21:47:15 Hmm, I just watched my pre luna restart while feeds were updating through preware o.O Feb 10 21:47:35 * punzada tries that again Feb 10 21:48:54 I'm kind of over the gaming thing already on the device, it's not a gaming machine for me I only bought need for speed to impress myself with what the device can do now lol Feb 10 21:49:28 rwhitby: that worked! I have an /opt/bin Feb 10 21:50:27 rwhitby: I'm looking at the directions here: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Tutorials_Linux_DDNS_Update_Client_ez-ipupdate Feb 10 21:50:51 nn7: "To configure it, just edit /opt/etc/ez-ipupdate.conf as detailed below, and everything else is automatic. You only need the service-type, user and host entries - the other configuration entries like interface, etc are handled automatically." Feb 10 21:51:11 rwhitby: I have no /opt/etc/ Feb 10 21:51:40 Hey Feb 10 21:51:48 nn7: mkdir can fix that. And be aware that I'm expecting you to update that wiki page with very detailed instructions for the next person to follow. Feb 10 21:52:15 rwhitby: :) I think this whole website needs to be scrapped and started over Feb 10 21:52:21 there so much inaccurate and wrong information on there Feb 10 21:52:33 nn7: the whole webos-internals.org ? Feb 10 21:52:40 yeah, pretty much Feb 10 21:52:46 contradictory information all over the plce Feb 10 21:52:48 place Feb 10 21:52:48 excellent. when do you start? Feb 10 21:53:38 we'll be happy to help you do that. Feb 10 21:53:58 ug, I think debilater lead me astray Feb 10 21:54:21 I originally came in here because I wrote my own curl script based on the directions here: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Tutorials_Linux_DDNS_Update_Client_wget Feb 10 21:54:26 and that script never fired Feb 10 21:54:37 I verified the script was written properly and was 755, but it never fired Feb 10 21:54:49 so debilater advised me to try ez-ipupdate Feb 10 21:55:01 but now it looks like ez-ipupdate only runs with certain services Feb 10 21:55:17 which service do you need? Feb 10 21:55:26 I wrote my own dynamic dns for my domain Feb 10 21:55:37 and just use curl or wget to ping a php script Feb 10 21:55:51 did you make that clear to debilater at the start? Feb 10 21:56:20 nn7: there's a package on preware for this Feb 10 21:56:20 debilater: I saw there were a couple of special ones for standard ddns. I have my own already setup that I can call with curl. Feb 10 21:56:28 debilater: will the package suppot custom DDNS urls? Feb 10 21:56:28 nn7: I don't know, just saw it sometimes, but rwhitby made it so it will work because he is the man Feb 10 21:56:28 with an endorsement like that I'll have to give it a try Feb 10 21:56:54 heh, misplaced faith :-) Feb 10 21:56:59 :D Feb 10 21:57:28 Rwhitby = god Feb 10 21:57:45 well, glad I helped you debug ez-ipupdate, maybe now I can get some help with just a curl script Feb 10 21:58:24 I watched my webserver logs and verified that no attempts were ever made from the phone Feb 10 22:00:08 the ppp script should fire whenever I disable and reenable my transmitter, right? Feb 10 22:00:17 I've verified that ppp0 goes down and back up when I do that Feb 10 22:01:29 typing ./09update-ddns properly calls my server Feb 10 22:01:44 turning on airplane mode Feb 10 22:02:12 now I no longer have a ppp0 network device Feb 10 22:02:22 so I turn airport mode off Feb 10 22:02:43 wait for EVDO Feb 10 22:03:40 ppp0 is now up with an ip address Feb 10 22:03:43 and the script didn't fire Feb 10 22:05:26 weird - maybe something has changed in webOS lately Feb 10 22:06:42 i think im gonna give up- every time i try and dr my phone it stops at 6% the phone reboots and it errors Feb 10 22:08:53 there's still another script in ip-up.d Feb 10 22:09:03 and a run-parts in /etc/ppp/ip-up Feb 10 22:10:23 I tried adding a path to curl, that didn't help Feb 10 22:11:00 I see in /var/log/messages where ip-up is started Feb 10 22:13:20 its done it again rebooted at 6%!!!!! Feb 10 22:13:48 rwhitby: even added the curl command to ip-up directly and it didn't fire, although I verified the string is correct Feb 10 22:16:27 ah ha! I fixed it! Feb 10 22:18:03 rwhitby: I added "sleep 5" and the script phoned home just fine Feb 10 22:18:16 must be taking too long to set up dns Feb 10 22:19:17 maybe something to consider for ez-ipupdate Feb 10 22:21:19 i wonder when a smart ip update app will monitor the interface using netlink Feb 10 22:21:23 and not rely on scripts Feb 10 22:23:40 next question, anyone know how to modify the email program so it doesn't complain about self-signed SSL certificates? Feb 10 22:24:18 add the cert to the cert mananger? Feb 10 22:24:57 has anyone problems accessing their pre via ssh (password) ? Feb 10 22:25:18 i had it working but it throws ssh_exchange_identification error messages at me Feb 10 22:25:20 PuffTheMagic_: I didn't realized it had a cert manager Feb 10 22:25:27 nn7: yup Feb 10 22:25:35 bummer, openssh only works via wifi Feb 10 22:25:59 nn7: change the event.d file Feb 10 22:27:33 where's the certificate manager? Feb 10 22:27:50 on the palm pre Feb 10 22:29:11 anyone done much work on the camera in the pre? Feb 10 22:29:22 i want to see if i can get zoneminder working with it Feb 10 22:29:36 ahh.. finder couldn't find it but the help works Feb 10 22:29:40 mobile motion recorder device Feb 10 22:30:14 never again will your girlfriend look at your phone and pretend she's not spying on your texts! Feb 10 22:30:39 could even make it have an accelerometer alarm if someone picks it up Feb 10 22:30:54 ahh.. there it is Feb 10 22:32:04 PuffTheMagic_: any idea how to get the certificate? Feb 10 22:34:15 python feels like rpn sometimes. Feb 10 22:35:40 i always thought it was be more.... scale-able Feb 10 22:35:45 s/was/would/ Feb 10 22:37:47 get it Feb 10 22:38:48 you are killing me Feb 10 22:42:45 nn7: cert manager will install certs from /media/internal (the usb drive) Feb 10 22:45:35 I just need to figure out how to get the certificates from my computer or the server Feb 10 22:51:24 nn7: so a sleep 5 in the ez-ipupdate ip-up script fixes it? Feb 10 22:51:31 rwhitby: yup Feb 10 22:52:23 hmm - maybe it's carrier dependent and my carrier reponds quickly. Feb 10 22:52:46 i'm in a big metal building with bad reception, it may work fine outdoors Feb 10 22:53:22 nn7 certificate manager! ^_^ Feb 10 22:53:44 usb drive mode Feb 10 22:53:48 copy them over Feb 10 22:53:55 or scp Feb 10 22:55:05 I think I figured it out Feb 10 22:55:12 remove the port restriction from firefox Feb 10 22:55:16 browse to server Feb 10 22:55:19 accept certificate Feb 10 22:55:31 go to certificate section of firefox Feb 10 22:55:34 export certificate Feb 10 22:55:34 xenoph0be|work: ping Feb 10 22:55:37 add .cer extension Feb 10 22:55:41 email certificate to email program Feb 10 22:55:44 open attachment Feb 10 22:55:49 tell cert manager to trust Feb 10 22:56:11 rwhitby: i just got my first "no internet connection" popup, so yeah, bad reception in here Feb 10 22:56:27 nn7: i get that all the time in full coverage Feb 10 22:56:32 that no internet thing Feb 10 22:58:27 ok, still get "server's security certificate is not a trusted certificate" Feb 10 22:59:04 oh, I think I know what's wrong Feb 10 22:59:32 ... and I just got an email informing me that my phone's IP changes Feb 10 22:59:33 changed Feb 10 22:59:44 so it still works :) Feb 10 23:01:43 damn, still got that error Feb 10 23:02:46 the certificate name, common name, and issued by name all match my server name Feb 10 23:02:48 i dont think any the webos apps use certs in the cert manager yet though Feb 10 23:03:06 i had this issue with enterprise wep encrypt Feb 10 23:03:06 ! Feb 10 23:03:18 thought it might solve my probs Feb 10 23:03:20 but it didnt Feb 10 23:03:21 nn7: did you install the ca cert as well? Feb 10 23:03:34 it's self signed Feb 10 23:03:46 do I have a ca cert? Feb 10 23:05:27 hello? Feb 10 23:05:51 bobbyrok: ? Feb 10 23:06:54 debilater: does it not work with self-signed certs? Feb 10 23:07:52 I'm having trouble with preware updates. I have a list of about 30 updates and when I select update, the first one one the list begins to download but never downloads...willjust say iys downloading for hours Feb 10 23:08:09 i don't know, but if you created the selfsigned cert with a ca cert (a local one) then you might need it in order to verify the cert Feb 10 23:08:23 bobbyrok: are you referring to the "update all" button? Feb 10 23:09:05 same thing happens wether I use update all or update them individually, but yes Feb 10 23:11:26 nn7: e.g. if you did it this way: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/284 but if you created a selfcontained selfsigned installing just the cert should be ok, and if it doesn't accept it then it might be required to do it the ca-cert way (whatever the palm pre does, I didn't ever do anything on it with certs...) Feb 10 23:12:03 I think I might have installed the pop3 cert not the imap cert Feb 10 23:13:27 can anyone help with adding qt embedded to the scratchbox2 PDK enviornment Feb 10 23:14:22 i keep getting this message: mmap: No such device or address Feb 10 23:15:14 gah, firefox won't let me export the imap certificate Feb 10 23:16:24 agg_spenc: what backend are you trying to use? Feb 10 23:16:37 agg_spenc: that might have been the error i had; although i thought it just segfaulted on me :) Feb 10 23:17:46 dtzWill: I am not sure....after I got the PDK up and going i tried to configure qmake and it started but then gave that mmap: No such device or address over and over Feb 10 23:18:07 agg_spenc: oh i thought you meant when you ran the result Feb 10 23:18:45 this is not the vm.mmap_min_addr issue? Feb 10 23:18:50 can I just copy the .PEM files from my server onto the phone? Feb 10 23:18:52 agg_spenc: the mmap stuff i think is qemu things... the wiki has info on it Feb 10 23:19:02 internet explorer won't get the certificate, firefox won't let me export it Feb 10 23:19:07 agg_spenc: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Internals_PDK#Fix_mmap_errors Feb 10 23:19:53 dtzWill: I have that installed but i still get that message Feb 10 23:20:00 Can someone debug a sed command for me? --> sed -e 's/INSTALL_ROOT =/INSTALL_ROOT =/\/usr/' Feb 10 23:20:47 nevrmind, i'm an idiot Feb 10 23:21:08 I did the: sudo apt-get install qemu-arm-static ... does that not do the fix: Feb 10 23:21:21 zsoc: try INSTALL_ROOT\s*= Feb 10 23:21:40 debilater: ah, instead of my silly space? heh Feb 10 23:21:51 zsoc: tabs vs whitespace the classic Feb 10 23:22:18 zsoc: \s catches thema all Feb 10 23:22:53 sed -e 's/INSTALL_ROOT\s*=/INSTALL_ROOT\s*=\/usr/' Makefile > Makefile <-- should that work? Feb 10 23:23:16 another question: do we have x11 running? or is it still work in progress? Feb 10 23:24:56 dtzWill: thanks I will try the second option and see if that works.... that message shows up 28 times in a row so i don't know if that will fix it Feb 10 23:24:59 zsoc: cp Makefile Makefile.orig && sed -e 's#INSTALL_ROOT\s*=#INSTALL_ROOT=/usr#' Makefile.orig > Makefile Feb 10 23:25:05 got it Feb 10 23:25:24 i love shell magic hehe Feb 10 23:25:44 zsoc: you can use any other char instead of / to circumvent escaping it in an expression Feb 10 23:25:53 interesting Feb 10 23:26:16 so s|ssss|aaaa| wors too for example Feb 10 23:26:22 works Feb 10 23:26:26 uh... how? Feb 10 23:26:30 i mean how does sed know that? Feb 10 23:26:47 zsoc: the 1st char after s counts Feb 10 23:27:41 debilater: so \s* is putting *'s in my file :p Feb 10 23:28:06 oh i see, i put it in the wrong place heh Feb 10 23:28:17 zsoc: yes, that's why I leaved whitespaces out in my example replacement string :) Feb 10 23:28:33 the whole thing is very smart Feb 10 23:28:53 debilater: how would i do it on 1st instance only? Feb 10 23:29:34 ok, I generated a new certificate on the server. I have found the pem file, but I don't think I can import that into the palm pre Feb 10 23:29:54 my example does just the first occurence, if you add a g after the last / (or # in my case) it does it on all occurences Feb 10 23:30:36 no statement on x11 anyone? Feb 10 23:30:42 I'd really need it :) Feb 10 23:30:59 ahh.. it's plaintext! Feb 10 23:33:05 SUCCESS! I have fixed my certificates Feb 10 23:33:13 * Mousey applauds Feb 10 23:33:40 i had a huge problem with certs when i first got started. it's nice to see the tradition is still alive =) Feb 10 23:34:39 Mousey: nn7: how about putting it into the wiki? Feb 10 23:35:46 I could Feb 10 23:36:28 it involved logging into whm, generating a new certificate, searching the hard drive for the pem file, copying the relevant block from the pem file, creating a new text file on my laptop, email it to myself, then import it into the phone Feb 10 23:36:41 most people won't have root access to their host server Feb 10 23:41:38 debilater: x11 is still work in progress. jacques is leading the effort. Feb 10 23:43:45 debilater: for some reason it's replacing globally, with no g Feb 10 23:44:53 rwhitby: oh ok, so if he succeeds I could try setting up matchbox on top of x11? Feb 10 23:45:13 is there no way to navigate text on the pre? Feb 10 23:45:30 I'm used to the 700p where I had directional keys so I could scroll back and fix some text Feb 10 23:45:48 since it's sometimes difficult to press the screen between certain letters Feb 10 23:45:56 and the stylus doesn't work on the pre Feb 10 23:46:22 nn7: blob plus swipe Feb 10 23:46:30 debilater: it's taking a long time because I am still getting a black screen except in card view Feb 10 23:46:58 debilater: I'm currently tracing through the palm sdl patches and looking at the "hidden" data Feb 10 23:47:54 jacques: sounds like pain Feb 10 23:48:11 debilater: it's painful but I'm also learning a lot in the process Feb 10 23:48:21 so far it's been time well spent Feb 10 23:48:49 matchbox? x11?? what's next PreMaemo! Feb 10 23:49:49 Mousey: I would need x11/matchbox because in this case I don't have to write my own sdl-eventhandler for navit (which is the real target...) Feb 10 23:49:49 howdy Mousey Feb 10 23:49:59 * Mousey waves Feb 10 23:50:00 o/ Feb 10 23:50:19 Mousey: do you need the signup code for the webos-internals booth ? Feb 10 23:50:26 man, if the pre had X11(/matchbox) that would open up a whole can of apps Feb 10 23:50:26 rwhitby: wow, thanks Feb 10 23:50:33 pidgin native, xchat native Feb 10 23:50:43 * Mousey begins to Feb 10 23:50:48 Mousey: yes :) Feb 10 23:51:15 jacques: no thanks, I AR STAFF Feb 10 23:51:20 ^_^ Feb 10 23:51:56 So it's looking like we might have some nice giveaways at the SCALE WebOS Internals booth. But you'll have to attend to find out what they are ... Feb 10 23:52:20 yes, yes, everyone attend! Feb 10 23:52:21 =D Feb 10 23:52:22 * destinal wishes he could go Feb 10 23:52:55 And booth staff will be allowed to enter in the draws - we'll just get someone from another booth to do the actual drawing. Feb 10 23:52:56 scale? Feb 10 23:53:01 * Mousey wishes destinal could go Feb 10 23:53:36 debilater: http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale8x/exhibitor/webos-internals Feb 10 23:54:37 Mousey: can we get the blurb updated? Cause Preware shows app catalog feeds now too Feb 10 23:54:55 So s/1500/3000/ ... Feb 10 23:54:56 damn .ca is too far for me :) Feb 10 23:55:35 and s/that is not in the official Palm App Catalog/that exists in this universe/ ... Feb 10 23:55:58 oops: /that exists in this universe (except MyTether)/ Feb 10 23:56:02 rwhitby: /me asks Feb 10 23:57:55 rwhitby: i get no swag? :( Feb 10 23:58:20 about that, Feb 10 23:58:42 i wish there was a way on the app list to tell what apps are for-pay and what arent at a glance. the only way otherwise is to sort by price Feb 10 23:58:43 zsoc: will you be at SCALE ? Feb 10 23:58:51 rwhitby: no :( Feb 10 23:58:58 Mousey: change your second line preferences to show price Feb 10 23:59:06 (in Preware) Feb 10 23:59:14 rwhitby: of course there's a way ^_^ Feb 10 23:59:28 rwhitby: on the blurb topic, email orv or gareth, and they can make the change for ya Feb 10 23:59:33 zsoc: then no swag for you Feb 10 23:59:50 jacques: can you handle the blub update? Feb 10 23:59:51 it should be called sugas :P Feb 11 00:01:37 jacques: wanna tell me what you'd like? gareth has the page up RIGHT NOW Feb 11 00:01:44 jacques: /msg gareth Feb 11 00:02:23 oops gotta read a bit of backlog here Feb 11 00:03:26 Mousey: "Preware provides access to over 3000 applications, patches, themes, services and plugins for webOS devices - any application that is available for webOS can be found in Preware." Feb 11 00:03:33 * rwhitby bbl Feb 11 00:05:46 [16:05] done. Feb 11 00:05:51 * Mousey refreshes page Feb 11 00:05:58 rwhitby FTW Feb 11 00:05:59 .,. Feb 11 00:06:04 ?? Feb 11 00:07:38 zsoc: http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale8x/exhibitor/webos-internals Feb 11 00:07:40 rwhitby: webos-internals should open up a store for tshirts, buttons, mugs, etc with logos and mantras.. proceeds to be donated :D Feb 11 00:07:49 Mousey: ah i see Feb 11 00:08:31 * Mousey is effective! Feb 11 00:13:16 ok, even s/pattern/replace/1 is still globally replacing, I don't understand Feb 11 00:14:29 if i'm s/pattern/replacement/ it's replacing both 'pattern' as well as 'foo_pattern' and 'bar_pattern' Feb 11 00:14:36 Mousey: thx! Feb 11 00:14:38 is this because it considers those first instance matching? Feb 11 00:14:42 ^_^ Feb 11 00:16:21 Darkmagister: ping Feb 11 00:16:36 Darkmagister: latest git checkin for Preware should work for it Feb 11 00:16:56 hi Feb 11 00:18:32 Darkmagister: I found the missing " and removed the , from the last line. Now it loads. Feb 11 00:19:26 re Feb 11 00:19:34 yo Feb 11 00:19:45 #webos is mostly for official api and stuff, this is where all the cool kids hang out Feb 11 00:20:10 (not to be confused with #webos-watercooler, where the cool kids get off-topic) Feb 11 00:20:15 I think I found a bug in the pre email software Feb 11 00:20:36 If you set up an email account to send and receive to different servers Feb 11 00:20:47 encryption doesn't work for sending Feb 11 00:20:58 probably because it's using the certificate from the receiving server Feb 11 00:21:57 rwhitby: ok ... now work :D ... how i can update git repo for the future version :D Feb 11 00:21:59 Whats up guys how u been?... Feb 11 00:22:28 Has anyone noticed that bestbuy radioshack and wirefly's online stores have stopped selling pre for sprint? Feb 11 00:24:12 and are selling pre plus and pixi plus instead? Feb 11 00:24:15 no, hadn't noticed Feb 11 00:24:19 widk question: where should i be installing things? I have a package with no configure file so i'm editing the makefile... i assumed /usr/local ? or do i have to set an rpath? Feb 11 00:24:40 JMyaDaGod: they all use the same online store Feb 11 00:25:01 zsoc it didnt work. i tried every combination that worked for other gsm users but it hangs on 6% then reboots. Feb 11 00:26:36 ismite: how long have u let it sit for ..mine did that once and i kept unplugging but the one time i forgot about it and it took like 30 min and it went through Feb 11 00:27:06 * Mousey blames fsck Feb 11 00:27:14 no after it reboots it disconnects itself. im so infuriated as this method has worked for other o2 users Feb 11 00:27:26 that is interesting Feb 11 00:27:45 about Pre going missing from online vendors Feb 11 00:27:51 "And booth staff will be allowed to enter in the draws" Holy Cow! Feb 11 00:34:21 jacques: as I said, I wish I could come help man the booth :P Feb 11 00:36:46 not just for the chance to enter draws though, mostly for other reasons. unfortunately I live / work in colorado and don't have the chance to take vacation time right now Feb 11 00:39:13 destinal: that's too bad :-( I am in TX but _can_ take vacation Feb 11 00:39:30 you would only need one day - friday (unless you work weekends too) Feb 11 00:43:08 Darkmagister: you need learn git, and then send me an ssh public key :-) Feb 11 00:43:47 jacques: we will need to have a video of someone else doing the drawing though :-) Feb 11 00:43:52 wait a send you the link of my personal ssh ... you can use it ? Feb 11 00:44:03 now i have a better translation ... Feb 11 00:44:07 Darkmagister: public ssh key, yes. Feb 11 00:44:12 rwhitby: sure, I can make a fake^H^H^H^H video Feb 11 00:44:44 ok ... now i only have to learn git and use this key :D Feb 11 00:49:26 back later Feb 11 00:54:41 infobot: wb Feb 11 00:54:42 It's great to be back! Feb 11 00:55:16 How can I possibly be denied permission to cp a file into the sb2 staging area during install? That doesn't make sense Feb 11 00:56:15 zsoc: depends on the mode you're in Feb 11 00:56:25 zsoc: the default, i think, mixes the host env and the "target" Feb 11 00:56:26 dtzWill: define mode please? Feb 11 00:56:40 zsoc: so /usr/* is host, but /usr/local/ is target Feb 11 00:56:43 dtzWill: well, the same 'make install' command installs a file fine in /usr/lib OH NEVERMIND Feb 11 00:56:46 heh Feb 11 00:57:07 it sees /usr/lib correctly in the staging area, but thinks /usr/bin is the host area, interesting Feb 11 00:57:18 ? Feb 11 00:57:30 well it happens i don't need it, so as long as i can get /usr/include to work on... why in the world would this install file use /usr/inc instead of /usr/include? that doesn't even make sense Feb 11 00:57:34 what uses /usr/inc? :p Feb 11 00:57:35 /usr/lib in the staging area maps to /usr/local/, just build/install everything with /usr/local prefix Feb 11 00:57:47 dtzWill: er.. there's no configure file Feb 11 00:57:48 i don't :) Feb 11 00:58:07 wait, the host /usr/local is the sb2 staging area? Feb 11 00:58:24 zsoc: no Feb 11 00:58:29 zsoc: /usr/local from within sb2 Feb 11 00:58:29 right i didn't think so Feb 11 00:58:38 zsoc: is mapped to /usr/ in the "staging area" Feb 11 00:58:50 Odd, so where would /usr/lib end up? Feb 11 00:59:01 zsoc: which /usr/lib? Feb 11 00:59:03 zsoc: codesourcery lib dir Feb 11 00:59:07 ah Feb 11 00:59:24 destinal: oh? maybe you guys run a different mode then Feb 11 00:59:32 destinal: afaict /usr/lib is my host's /usr/lib Feb 11 00:59:51 dtzWill: or wait, maybe I'm thinking just /lib is codesourcery's lib Feb 11 01:00:02 destinal: yes that is more likely Feb 11 01:00:08 this is odd, i must have done something to the env Feb 11 01:00:10 destinal: errr i'm wrong, i'm sorry. wtf was i thinking. Feb 11 01:00:21 because /usr/lib is sucessfully installing in the staging area Feb 11 01:00:38 destinal, zsoc: sorry guys. i really did look into how all that worked at one point. o_O. Feb 11 01:00:49 lol no apologies, i'll play some more Feb 11 01:00:49 yeah I think it wants to avoid any common path that stuff might link to being on the host Feb 11 01:00:54 I'm more ticked off this lib has no configure file :p Feb 11 01:01:23 destinal: yeah, i just know that soemtimes it pulls host things in, and i could've sworn it was via /usr/lib. shrug Feb 11 01:02:20 What's the correct way to give 2 sed commands in a makefile? Feb 11 01:02:46 it wouldn't feel right cp to an .orig, make the first, delete the orig, and cping the new one to an orig again Feb 11 01:03:01 i mean it would work, just seems ugly Feb 11 01:04:18 zsoc: ? Feb 11 01:04:26 zsoc: sed -i will replace the file in-place Feb 11 01:05:07 zsoc: and you can have it back things up if you'd like. also you can have sed do multiple things at once, fwiw Feb 11 01:05:58 dtzWill: http://pastebin.com/f384bd15b <-- notice the ugly (but working) sed lines in the middle Feb 11 01:06:33 I activated usbnet, is the only way to tether by using that mytether program? Feb 11 01:06:34 the fact i can write something that silly that functions at all, is amazing to me. this would have been chukese to me a year ago. Feb 11 01:06:40 That's what they speak in chuke right? chuckese? Feb 11 01:06:58 nn7: activate testing feed, install freetether, tether via usb Feb 11 01:07:08 thanks Feb 11 01:07:10 zsoc: put both -e parameters on same line, and sed -i them Feb 11 01:07:32 zsoc: sed -i -e '74s/....etc' -e '82s/....' build/src/Makefile Feb 11 01:07:37 where the things in quotes are w/e you have now Feb 11 01:07:49 nn7: if you need help with any of that let me know, it's pretty straight forward. also once you open freetether and enable ipforwarding... uh.. that's it, you can close it and not worry about it after that Feb 11 01:07:59 zsoc: and get rid of all the cp'ing, since you're not using it to make a nice bkup anyway Feb 11 01:08:01 nn7: and if you need help getting usbnet to work on your host machine, let me know Feb 11 01:08:08 dtzWill: ok, i _think_ i understand that Feb 11 01:08:10 zsoc: and if you do want a backup, just make that sed -i .orig -e .. etc Feb 11 01:08:19 zsoc: lemme know if you have any issues Feb 11 01:08:30 dtzWill: so.. i can basically -e 'sed1' -e 'sed2'? Feb 11 01:08:33 zsoc: thanks again Feb 11 01:08:58 zsoc: right, and the -i parameter tells it to process the file in-place Feb 11 01:09:07 zsoc: so no need to cp, and then sed to stdout and redirect it Feb 11 01:10:09 does -i work in bsd? Feb 11 01:10:20 egaudet-wirc: i have no idea, sorry Feb 11 01:11:06 egaudet-wirc: although i do remember something like that.... Feb 11 01:11:16 I remember an issue with it and if it's going to be on autobuilder I think has to work for macs bsdsed Feb 11 01:11:21 egaudet-wirc: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sed#History seems to suggest it was later included Feb 11 01:11:43 egaudet-wirc: oh i don't know about the mac one; and that's almost certainly where i ran into it. Feb 11 01:11:55 I don't have a testing feed :( Feb 11 01:11:55 egaudet-wirc: probably after cursing that i KNOW -i is a valid sed option :P Feb 11 01:12:01 destinal: the fact that my libraries are staged properly being directed to /usr/lib and /usr/include... is this also expected, it's just that /usr/local is the preferred method so there's no host confusion? Feb 11 01:12:02 some reason not to use ed? Feb 11 01:12:16 nn7: right, you need to add it Feb 11 01:12:22 lol Feb 11 01:12:25 zsoc: oh ok, I'll google it Feb 11 01:14:23 zsoc: regardless the multiple -e's should work fine across afaik Feb 11 01:14:31 I think it's that on mac you need arg after -i Feb 11 01:14:39 s/across/across both platforms/ Feb 11 01:14:39 dtzWill meant: zsoc: regardless the multiple -e's should work fine across both platforms afaik Feb 11 01:15:01 or else the -e or filename will be used as extension arg Feb 11 01:19:22 Whats up with Mytether coming to Preware? Feb 11 01:19:35 I think they need to stop charging for that Feb 11 01:19:53 I think mytether needs to stop charging money before showing up on preware Feb 11 01:20:21 I don't see mytether being decommercialized. Feb 11 01:20:33 i _do_ see freetether being released. Feb 11 01:21:15 zsoc u read the precentral article for mytether released today? Feb 11 01:21:46 "Rod Whitby of WebOS Internals has worked witht he developer to improve the installation process for MyTether. Version 2.1.0 will now be installable and uninstallable via WebOS Quick Install and Preware." Feb 11 01:22:15 JMyaDaGod: then it's misguided? Feb 11 01:22:58 zsoc : what exactly do u mean by misguided? Feb 11 01:23:42 misinformed Feb 11 01:23:49 has wrong information Feb 11 01:24:13 technically, it's correct. You can install and uninstall the mytether ipkgs with wosqi or preware. Feb 11 01:24:31 however, the author has not submitted that commercial application to any feed that Preware publishes. Feb 11 01:25:03 (or any feed for that matter?) Feb 11 01:25:07 right, and since we don't allow arbitrary ipk install in preware you'd have to construct your own feed to install it with preware without modifying preware itself Feb 11 01:25:58 i am fine using freetether and hopspot i just like to see that the develpor finally worked around haveing to break stuff in the phone for it to work Feb 11 01:26:07 JMyaDaGod: yes, it is a good day for all Feb 11 01:26:12 which is so inconvenient as to be unlikely anyone would ever do it at this point Feb 11 01:26:44 destinal: well, they'd also have to get the ipkgs, which are only available under a commercial agreement. Feb 11 01:26:51 Is the hotspot app still available through some arbitrary hotlink? Feb 11 01:27:19 nn7: hello guy tethering on his pre plus Feb 11 01:27:20 zsoc: looks like it works! Feb 11 01:27:20 rwhitby: well, you could get the ipkg's and set up a feed on your intranet, but again, not much point Feb 11 01:27:41 like if you bought it and really wanted to use preware for some reason Feb 11 01:27:46 destinal: I suspect you would be breaking the MyTether copyright if you did that. Feb 11 01:27:55 zsoc: nice software! :D Feb 11 01:28:02 ah, intr*a*net. sorry, you're right. Feb 11 01:28:04 zsoc: does it do any other types of tethering yet? Feb 11 01:28:26 I don't think I'll ever want to wireless tether, but I'm just curious Feb 11 01:28:33 nn7: not yet, the developer has little time these days :/ i might work on it tho Feb 11 01:28:43 hotspot kills my battery and makes my phone feal like its on fire Feb 11 01:28:54 JMyaDaGod: yeah, I can imagine Feb 11 01:28:58 JMyaDaGod: wow, ouch Feb 11 01:29:13 nn7: can you do a speakeasy.net/speedtest ? Feb 11 01:29:37 rwhitby: does the pre use "zero clock" or suspend/resume? Feb 11 01:29:39 seeing i got 3 batteries not a major problem and if i wanted i could just use usb Feb 11 01:29:58 raster: to tell you the truth, I dunno. Feb 11 01:30:15 rwhitby: aaah. can u ssh in over wifi any time u like? Feb 11 01:30:21 JMyaDaGod: powering a pre hotspot via USB to provide wireless access to multiple clients is actually a practical thing to do Feb 11 01:30:23 test Feb 11 01:30:40 (and maintain that ssh connection even if its idle) and battery lasts a long time? Feb 11 01:32:11 raster: i ssh over usbnet and it doesn't disconnect on sleep/idle... but obviously i can't comment on battery life :p Feb 11 01:32:19 i wonder if the teether via bluetooth drains as much battery life Feb 11 01:33:05 zsoc: doesnt count. u have power then :) Feb 11 01:33:21 well maemo on n800/900 etc. uses an omap feature known as "zero clock" Feb 11 01:33:33 rwhitby: ok, i have libgsm building/installing properly as a dep for gst-plugins-bad, also building properly in the widk. if i push... do i need to move to packages/, and if so, where do i start the packaging process? Feb 11 01:33:35 where the cpu literally (as i understand it) turns off its clock Feb 11 01:33:44 registers and cache go into self-refresh Feb 11 01:33:47 of course ram too Feb 11 01:34:02 its like suspend, but - u can wake up in microseconds - and that means, u can maintain ssh connections Feb 11 01:34:10 and ssh in etc. any time Feb 11 01:34:15 raster: that's interesting Feb 11 01:34:25 as the system is always alive.. just dozing Feb 11 01:34:38 its almost as power efficient as suspend. Feb 11 01:34:47 the downside is.. is apps sit and spin Feb 11 01:35:03 ie poll and keep the cpu busy - u never get idle enough to go into zero-clock Feb 11 01:35:24 so.. u consume battery all the time - everything 100% alive (except screen) Feb 11 01:35:58 thus... somethng like hotspot is probably - zero clock or not, going to prevent going into low power modes by polling - a lot. Feb 11 01:36:04 you can't force zero-clock from idle detection? Feb 11 01:36:25 i dont know what the pre uses Feb 11 01:36:27 ie have software on the system make the decision rather than just idle? Feb 11 01:36:32 it may use traditional suspend/resume Feb 11 01:36:45 raster: pretty sure it does Feb 11 01:36:50 and there is an active "lock" kept on suspend becuse hotpot wants to use the cpu and do things Feb 11 01:36:55 thatds the other way Feb 11 01:37:25 this means that apps need to request the cpu resource and give it up explicitly if they wish to keep the thing from suspending after the screen goes off etc. Feb 11 01:37:38 the litmus test of this is: Feb 11 01:37:46 1. run an sshd or telnetd - doesnt matter Feb 11 01:37:57 zsoc: 981 kbps down, 259 kbps up Feb 11 01:38:02 2. ssh/telnet in over wifi and then let your connection sit idle Feb 11 01:38:11 What causes my 'merge branch' to happen in git? Is it because i always accidentally make a commit, then pull, then push? Feb 11 01:38:28 3. does your battery drain a lot - or very little (as if u had not ssh/telneted in) Feb 11 01:38:41 zsoc: did you get that? Feb 11 01:38:45 nn7: not bad Feb 11 01:38:54 yeah, I'm happy Feb 11 01:38:56 zsoc yes the pull will merge Feb 11 01:39:11 (caveat - maybe also using cpufreq to drop to a lower cpu clock like 100mhz so u may want to check cpufreq state) Feb 11 01:39:13 raster, you can ssh over wifi and the pre will power up and down Feb 11 01:39:20 egaudet-wirc: i see, so i have to remember to pull before i add/commit/push :p Feb 11 01:39:38 that feature is new, 1.3.1 or 1.3.5 Feb 11 01:39:48 before it would just hang Feb 11 01:39:50 jhojho: power up and down? or simply handle the interrupts coming out of zero-clock? Feb 11 01:40:06 jhojho: aaah new. so they may have started using it Feb 11 01:40:08 raster: powerd up and down. Feb 11 01:40:38 zsoc: I thank you for your wonderful program Feb 11 01:40:40 you probably need to ask geist for specifics. Feb 11 01:40:41 ummmm Feb 11 01:40:41 soooooooooo, i need someone to test a trail of package deps in the widk /nonworking Feb 11 01:40:47 nn7: not mine, PuffTheMagic's Feb 11 01:40:53 oh Feb 11 01:40:57 PuffTheMagic_: thank you! Feb 11 01:41:02 wow, so much progress today Feb 11 01:41:07 fixed my cert problems Feb 11 01:41:10 usb tethering Feb 11 01:41:15 nn7: webos is very sexy Feb 11 01:41:20 tht smells of zero clock, not suspend/resume Feb 11 01:41:32 i think I remember some mention of activity on network causing the pre to wakeup. Feb 11 01:41:33 anyone with widk have some extra processing power for 20 minutes or so? Feb 11 01:41:33 figured out what was wrong with the ddns methods Feb 11 01:41:51 and to think I woke up this morning with no intent on replacing my treo 700p Feb 11 01:42:12 nn7_away: lol, well it's come a long way. 6 months ago this would have been slightly more difficult for you ;) Feb 11 01:42:24 did I read correctly that I don't need virtualbox installed? Feb 11 01:42:32 nn7_away: for what? Feb 11 01:42:41 talking to the palm via usb Feb 11 01:42:49 the terminal program Feb 11 01:42:52 novaterm Feb 11 01:43:02 nn7_away: oh.. there's some uh.. 'novaterm' thing... i don't know anything outside of linux tho, so i can't help :) Feb 11 01:43:09 it was part of the instructions on the webos website Feb 11 01:43:35 nn7: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Accessing_Linux_Using_Novaterm Feb 11 01:43:49 nn7_away: alternatively, you could get openssh going and just use putty on your host Feb 11 01:43:58 nn7_away: you only need novacom/novacomd installed Feb 11 01:44:12 yeah, I'll get to openssh later Feb 11 01:45:39 ahh.. Feb 11 01:45:50 must have read old instructions saying java and virtualbox were needed Feb 11 01:46:03 ok, I'm done for the night Feb 11 01:46:08 thanks everyone for your help Feb 11 01:46:46 later Feb 11 01:48:48 Who's in charge of widk "stuff"? Feb 11 01:49:03 I'm wondering if there's a better way to set deps in nonworking... right now i'm using ../nonworking/package Feb 11 01:49:14 can we just have deps check packages/ AND nonworking/ ? Feb 11 01:50:27 dunno how easy it would be, but seems things in nonworking should check both, but in packages check only packages Feb 11 01:51:32 jacques: yes yes, that makes sense Feb 11 01:51:43 it just seems silly i now need to change all the makefiles to move things to packages/ Feb 11 01:51:57 true Feb 11 01:54:40 zsoc: in gsm/Makefile, do you know about the /match/s/search/replace/ sed syntax? Feb 11 01:54:54 (rather than using line numbers) Feb 11 01:55:39 rwhitby: i need to fix that whole sed garbage... it works it's just ugly and there's unnecessary crufts. but in general, my issue was it was finding other lines _including_ my search pattern Feb 11 01:55:56 like if it was s/pattern/replace/ it was finding pattern but also foo_pattern and bar_pattern Feb 11 01:56:57 zsoc: "make clobber stage" doesn't work for me in gsm Feb 11 01:57:38 lots of errors from rm Feb 11 01:58:23 rwhitby: er, read it again Feb 11 01:58:31 zsoc: you can match to begin and end of word Feb 11 01:58:35 rwhitby: the errors are from things it never staged. it's actually only staging 2 files Feb 11 01:58:43 ^ and $ IIRC Feb 11 01:59:26 ^pattern would not match foo_pattern Feb 11 01:59:33 zsoc: type "make clobber stage" - it hangs waiting for user input to an rm question. no good for autobuilder. Feb 11 02:00:06 rwhitby: ah, i see now. i assumed that wouldn't be an issue being as it wouldn't already be installed, but it would be if i was fixing something. so what do i do? remove write protection first some how? Feb 11 02:00:32 zsoc: and it should be installing into /usr/local/lib, not /usr/lib Feb 11 02:00:39 rwhitby: but it works :( Feb 11 02:00:46 rwhitby: is that just a sanity thing? Feb 11 02:01:01 rm -f Feb 11 02:01:02 rwhitby: /usr/include should also be /usr/local/include ? Feb 11 02:01:14 jacques: right, sorry, this isn't my install script :P i'll fix Feb 11 02:02:07 zsoc: ( cd build/src ; ${SB2} make INSTALL_ROOT=/usr/local gsminstall) Feb 11 02:02:22 rwhitby: you don't like my sed statements? :p Feb 11 02:05:45 zsoc: I've pushed a fix. Feb 11 02:06:53 * rwhitby bbl Feb 11 02:08:08 rwhitby: ty, it's very nice and also beyond my understanding :P Feb 11 02:08:31 like the Makefiles he writes Feb 11 02:09:26 yay it works Feb 11 02:09:36 * zsoc wonders if rwhitby tested the rest of the deps... Feb 11 02:14:30 rwhitby: ping Feb 11 02:14:38 do Feb 11 02:14:41 he said bbl Feb 11 02:14:42 :( Feb 11 02:21:12 can anyone help me with git ? Feb 11 02:21:28 Wow, not me Darkmagister git is black art. :-) Feb 11 02:21:47 git clone blah Feb 11 02:21:50 git add . Feb 11 02:21:56 git commit -m "foo" Feb 11 02:21:58 git push Feb 11 02:21:58 ok .. but Feb 11 02:22:10 i have to add my iser to he git repo ? Feb 11 02:22:25 because i have to update th italian translation Feb 11 02:23:06 i do git clone ok ... Feb 11 02:23:17 modify son file and add directory Feb 11 02:23:33 after i do git add views/ Feb 11 02:23:58 Darkmagister: did you send a public key to rwhitby ? did he tell you he had set it up? Feb 11 02:24:08 git commit -m "improve the translation and arranged to make it work" Feb 11 02:24:16 git push Feb 11 02:24:17 fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly Feb 11 02:24:39 mmm .. think i had send my ssh key to rwhitby Feb 11 02:24:41 Darkmagister: you have to give your key to rwhitby Feb 11 02:25:02 Darkmagister: ssh -v git@git.webos-internals.org Feb 11 02:25:22 gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-key 65E45DEF Feb 11 02:25:25 this is my key Feb 11 02:26:16 ... Feb 11 02:26:32 http://webos.pastebin.com/d4137b9 Feb 11 02:26:48 Darkmagister, when you needed to check your json file, did you use jsonlint? because that's the fastest way I know of to check json. Feb 11 02:27:06 no ... mmm Feb 11 02:27:14 i dont know jsonlint Feb 11 02:27:22 i edit my file by hand :D Feb 11 02:28:01 www.jsonlint.com Feb 11 02:28:10 use it to check your file's validity Feb 11 02:28:20 ok it's seems valid :D Feb 11 02:30:06 debug1: No more authentication methods to try. Feb 11 02:30:06 Permission denied (publickey). Feb 11 02:30:44 This means that my key is not on the server Feb 11 02:30:54 ? Feb 11 02:30:59 right rwhitby probably hasn't gotten it on yet. Feb 11 02:31:15 ok ... i have to wait :( Feb 11 02:35:15 i'm the only from italy ? Feb 11 02:36:13 si :p Feb 11 02:37:17 woow :D Feb 11 02:37:21 'developer' dentro italiano, sviluppatore o costruttore? Feb 11 02:37:46 sviluppatore :D Feb 11 02:38:05 but "in" in this case is translated with in :D Feb 11 02:38:21 'developer' in italiano, sviluppatore o costruttore? Feb 11 02:38:22 :D Feb 11 02:38:38 Darkmagister: I need your ssh public key, not a gpg key. Feb 11 02:38:42 i'm a linguist, i don't actually speak italian, (or most languages), so what i stay is generally understood, but broken and obviously bad ;) Feb 11 02:38:52 s/stay/say Feb 11 02:39:04 zsoc: nope, I just tested gsm only Feb 11 02:39:29 * rwhitby bbl Feb 11 02:39:31 ... ok but i dont know how i can send you .. and what ? :d Feb 11 02:39:32 rwhitby: i know you're just dying to test gst-plugins-bad (which i believe would dep every other package i pushed) Feb 11 02:39:44 Darkmagister: did you generate an ssh key? Feb 11 02:40:08 zsoc: where are you from ? Feb 11 02:40:13 Darkmagister: the states Feb 11 02:40:16 mmm boh :D Feb 11 02:40:30 yes but the states it's realy biiig :D Feb 11 02:40:41 Darkmagister: produzione di 'ssh -V' Feb 11 02:41:05 * zsoc practices his broken italiano Feb 11 02:41:37 mmm ? what ? Feb 11 02:41:43 ssh -v ... * Feb 11 02:41:52 Darkmagister: lol, i'm trying to ask what that command outputs Feb 11 02:42:03 * zsoc imagines 'developer' speak is a different language entirely Feb 11 02:42:24 http://webos.pastebin.com/d4137b9 here you can see the output Feb 11 02:43:20 Darkmagister: what environment are you in? Feb 11 02:43:46 debian Feb 11 02:43:48 linux Feb 11 02:44:19 Darkmagister: ls ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub Feb 11 02:44:42 lNo such file or directory Feb 11 02:44:44 :D Feb 11 02:44:46 mmm Feb 11 02:44:51 i have to generate it Feb 11 02:44:53 Darkmagister: cd ~ Feb 11 02:45:02 mkdir ~/.ssh Feb 11 02:45:07 chmod 700 ~/.ssh Feb 11 02:45:13 ssh-keygen -q -f ~/.ssh/id_rsa -t rsa Feb 11 02:45:18 yes there is the dir Feb 11 02:45:23 i think that's it at least Feb 11 02:45:27 i name it "identity" Feb 11 02:45:38 dBsooner: that's odd Feb 11 02:45:52 it's what ssh looks for first. Feb 11 02:45:54 ok there is Feb 11 02:45:58 dBsooner: ok then Feb 11 02:46:10 now ... re do ssh -v ? Feb 11 02:46:13 Darkmagister: well you're looking for the .pub file, and if you already generated it, you need to make sure you remember the passphrase :P Feb 11 02:46:20 Darkmagister: no, the -v was just to check to make sure you had openssh installed Feb 11 02:46:28 ok Feb 11 02:46:38 i have to send the id_rsa.pub Feb 11 02:46:43 yes Feb 11 02:46:50 to rwhitby Feb 11 02:46:53 yes Feb 11 02:46:55 that is safe Feb 11 02:47:07 never send your id_rsa anywhere, only the .pub Feb 11 02:47:16 oh.. .pub, yeah.. .pub = what you give out Feb 11 02:47:23 ok Feb 11 02:47:25 identity or id_rsa.priv is what you keep Feb 11 02:47:39 id_rsa Feb 11 02:47:49 i call mine "identity" and "authorized_keys" Feb 11 02:47:49 but ... Feb 11 02:48:00 i'm not sure because Feb 11 02:48:12 in the id_rsa.pub in the end there is ... Feb 11 02:48:30 dm@r2d2 (this is my user and my hostname) Feb 11 02:48:33 that's right Feb 11 02:48:35 not my email Feb 11 02:48:42 or something like this Feb 11 02:48:44 that Feb 11 02:48:57 all that does is an identifier Feb 11 02:49:03 its a notes field Feb 11 02:49:05 it means nothing Feb 11 02:49:11 authorized_keys is a collection of public keys Feb 11 02:49:14 description Feb 11 02:49:26 i can change it or no ? Feb 11 02:49:31 or is unuseful Feb 11 02:49:32 l Feb 11 02:49:34 Darkmagister: no, you change that in your git config Feb 11 02:49:41 oook Feb 11 02:49:43 Darkmagister: in fact, before you push anything, make sure you set a name and contact email Feb 11 02:49:52 i have to create the git config i think Feb 11 02:50:19 Darkmagister: git config --global user.name "usernamedesired" Feb 11 02:50:34 Darkmagister: git config --global user.email "contact@email.com" Feb 11 02:51:21 importante :p Feb 11 02:51:37 git config --global Darkmagister "mymail@gmail.com" Feb 11 02:51:42 it's ok ? Feb 11 02:51:53 no Feb 11 02:52:00 Darkmagister: no no Feb 11 02:52:03 :D Feb 11 02:52:16 Darkmagister.mymail@gmail.com "mymail----" Feb 11 02:52:18 Darkmagister: only change what is in the " ", leave everything else, use both those lines, 1 to set name, 1 to set email Feb 11 02:52:24 aaaa ok :D Feb 11 02:52:35 user.name and user.email is part of the command :) sorry that was not clear Feb 11 02:52:42 yes :D Feb 11 02:52:42 ok Feb 11 02:53:04 io sono confusione :D Feb 11 02:53:07 it's tooooo late :D and i not see all the message Feb 11 02:53:11 aahhaa Feb 11 02:53:33 io sono? or just sono? i don't know how that works Feb 11 02:54:16 mmm Feb 11 02:54:56 it depend if you i'm confused you have to say sono confuso or io sono confuso Feb 11 02:55:14 er... what is the difference? Feb 11 02:55:25 if you whant to say what a mess you have ti say che confusione :D Feb 11 02:55:33 lol i like that Feb 11 02:56:08 io sono confuso or sono confuso ... it's the same .. in italy you can omit the article like i Feb 11 02:56:13 ah i see Feb 11 02:56:21 like in japan :) Feb 11 02:56:39 english has too many pronouns... they are everywhere Feb 11 02:56:43 i dont know :D japanese Feb 11 02:56:53 yes :d Feb 11 02:56:56 giapponese :D Feb 11 02:57:02 siiii Feb 11 02:57:18 how i can see my config to see if it's ok ? Feb 11 02:57:22 I can say "japanese" in about 15 languages. Because i speak it fairly well... One time I ran into a portugese man who spoke no english but i found out he spoke japanese lol Feb 11 02:57:50 Darkmagister: er... wherever your root git folder is... it would be in .git/config Feb 11 02:58:26 there's probably a global git config somewhere... maybe ~/.git/config ? Feb 11 02:58:41 English has fewer pronouns than most languages Feb 11 02:59:25 tmzt: yes, but we're forced to use them all the time, with the exception of "you" during commands Feb 11 02:59:28 first and third, singular and plural, three genders are the personal pronouns Feb 11 02:59:42 and second **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Feb 11 02:59:57 2010