**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Feb 11 02:59:57 2010 Feb 11 03:00:36 yes in italian you can omit it sometimes but we have a lot of pronouns Feb 11 03:00:54 many languages have forms of the verb to convey the same information Feb 11 03:01:06 sono? Feb 11 03:01:11 [core] Feb 11 03:01:12 repositoryformatversion = 0 Feb 11 03:01:12 filemode = true Feb 11 03:01:12 bare = false Feb 11 03:01:12 logallrefupdates = true Feb 11 03:01:12 [remote "origin"] Feb 11 03:01:13 fetch = +refs/heads/*:refs/remotes/origin/* Feb 11 03:01:13 url = git://git.webos-internals.org/applications/preware.git Feb 11 03:01:13 what is that Feb 11 03:01:14 [branch "master"] Feb 11 03:01:14 remote = origin Feb 11 03:01:15 merge = refs/heads/master Feb 11 03:01:15 ops Feb 11 03:01:19 my config Feb 11 03:01:21 :D Feb 11 03:01:23 in .git Feb 11 03:01:49 lol Feb 11 03:01:51 but seems therearent any information about ... my account Feb 11 03:02:16 Darkmagister: like i mentioned, i believe the global setting puts it.. uh.. somewhere else Feb 11 03:02:41 in the home .. dir ... there isnt nothing Feb 11 03:02:48 Darkmagister: aah, ~.gitconfig Feb 11 03:02:55 Darkmagister: cat ~.gitconfig Feb 11 03:03:06 do you need global? Feb 11 03:03:07 yes Feb 11 03:03:08 ues Feb 11 03:03:12 .gitconfig Feb 11 03:03:15 yes Feb 11 03:03:16 --global Feb 11 03:03:16 Chromium OS is gonna use Portage Feb 11 03:03:20 zsoc: tmzt^^ Feb 11 03:03:22 [user] Feb 11 03:03:23 name = Darkmagister Feb 11 03:03:23 email = mail@gmail.com Feb 11 03:03:25 zsoc: ^^ Feb 11 03:03:28 :D Feb 11 03:03:38 Darkmagister: er... you might want to set an email address we can use to contact you Feb 11 03:03:52 yes i dont paste here Feb 11 03:03:52 yeah u must Feb 11 03:04:03 :D Feb 11 03:04:06 PuffTheMagic_: Chromium? Feb 11 03:04:19 zsoc: is googles cloud os Feb 11 03:04:29 PuffTheMagic_: ah, interesting Feb 11 03:04:36 i dont want may mail become too public :D Feb 11 03:04:40 if you have to pay $15 to get mytether how can it be installed via preware? Feb 11 03:04:41 for now Feb 11 03:05:05 PreGame: it can't, it can _theoretically_ be installed in preware, as in it's packaged properly Feb 11 03:05:14 ahh Feb 11 03:05:21 the site is very misleading Feb 11 03:05:26 Darkmagister: then please make a new developer account? what if you disappear and there is an update and we need you to fix something in italian? :p Feb 11 03:05:27 i started getting happy it was listed in preware Feb 11 03:05:31 chromium os is a browser and a linux distro Feb 11 03:05:40 with some storage on remote services Feb 11 03:06:25 zsoc: i'm not understand Feb 11 03:06:26 :D Feb 11 03:06:30 PuffTheMagic_: portage? Feb 11 03:06:35 it's not gentoo Feb 11 03:06:49 yeah is using portage Feb 11 03:06:51 .... Feb 11 03:06:52 and its not gentoo Feb 11 03:07:38 create developer profile where ? .. i hope not disappear too soon :D Feb 11 03:09:52 zsoc: you speak about the developer.palm.com? Feb 11 03:11:09 lol Feb 11 03:11:15 zsoc: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-814932.html Feb 11 03:11:32 their "sdk" uses ubuntu too Feb 11 03:11:39 portage on ubuntu Feb 11 03:11:45 which means we could switch to it too :D Feb 11 03:15:17 zsoc: is death ? Feb 11 03:25:24 anyone in here know anything about configuring qmake from Qt embedded to the PDK? Feb 11 03:29:20 agg_spenc: if you know how to build it manually u can get the pdk to do it Feb 11 03:30:15 PuffTheMagic: I am not sure how to do that Feb 11 03:34:21 PuffTheMagic: are you saying i cang change the pdk script to to the configure for qt.... when i try to do configure (qt command to configure qmake) i get "mmap: No such device or address" 28 times in a row Feb 11 03:35:30 that's wird Feb 11 03:35:33 weird Feb 11 03:36:26 PuffTheMagic_: there's a chromium sdk now? Feb 11 03:36:42 s/sdk/build env/ Feb 11 03:36:49 hmm, but portage is just a python build system isn' it? Feb 11 03:36:58 does it use the portage tree? Feb 11 03:37:04 its an overlay Feb 11 03:37:08 so its like Feb 11 03:37:13 boot ubuntu Feb 11 03:37:32 download the "chromium-stage file" Feb 11 03:37:37 chroot into it Feb 11 03:37:39 use portage Feb 11 03:37:42 hmm Feb 11 03:37:42 just like gentoo Feb 11 03:47:22 PuffThe Magic: here is what I am getting when i try to configure qmake: http://webos.pastebin.com/d6b2bfdd9 Feb 11 04:01:53 PuffTheMagic_: did you see my pastebin post? Feb 11 04:15:54 agg_spenc: can you build other things fine? qt/e had build issues for me, but they all we actual build errors, not some weird mmap thing. that really sounds like your env might be the issue, not anything with qt Feb 11 04:17:19 dtzWill: I have not been able to create a make file using qmake yet Feb 11 04:17:56 agg_spenc: I used a similar configure a while back and qmake built just fine? :/ Feb 11 04:18:42 dtzWill: let me see what errors I get when i try qmake Feb 11 04:18:47 agg_spenc: agg_spenc but i meant can you built other software (other than qt, using normal configure+make) Feb 11 04:19:09 agg_spenc: i didn't invoke qmake directly ever; i meant that it built the qmake and the qt/e build system just did the right thing, other than some linking things Feb 11 04:20:33 dtzWil: how did you build qmake? I have the qt/e extrated but i havent been able to utilize it in the sb2 pdk Feb 11 04:21:07 agg_spenc: I understand that. qt/e is a huge package, and it's use of qmake that it builds, etc, makes it a bit tricky. Feb 11 04:21:22 agg_spenc: so ignoring qt/e for a second, have you built anything else in your sb2 pdk environment? Feb 11 04:22:04 dtzWill: I have been able to build the scummvm example from the webos-internals site Feb 11 04:26:28 dtzWill: is configure a command to create a makefile in linux?? I am fairly new to linux mainly because of the pre and I am trying to get started with it Feb 11 04:43:27 agg_spenc: it's not a command Feb 11 04:43:33 don't think of it that way Feb 11 04:43:45 it's a script buildt by gnu autoconf Feb 11 04:44:41 tmzt: so I should be able to use call upon it from any directory? Feb 11 04:49:08 hey i disappeared lol Feb 11 04:49:17 random coma ftw Feb 11 04:52:26 evening all Feb 11 04:52:29 * zsoc|away pokes zsoc|wirc Feb 11 04:54:43 any grub experts? Feb 11 04:55:16 grub as in 5 course meal? why yes :) Feb 11 04:56:30 egaudet-wirc: i am a mediocre grub user Feb 11 04:58:15 loading stage 1.5 . . . error 15 Feb 11 04:58:53 egaudet-wirc: you booting off an external usb drive? Feb 11 04:59:15 generally error 15 is a mispointer Feb 11 05:00:49 and is it grub or grub2? Feb 11 05:01:25 grub Feb 11 05:01:33 no external drive Feb 11 05:01:41 hmm... Feb 11 05:01:44 sudo fdisk -l | grep -i linux ? Feb 11 05:01:52 did some repartioning and created boot partition Feb 11 05:02:14 oh, well you didn't tell grub to find your boot partition? you need to edit your /boot/grub/menu.lst Feb 11 05:02:35 copied files from root's /boot to new boot partiton and sym linked boot to . ran grub shell setup Feb 11 05:03:16 well for some reason those actions didn't fool grub into booting off the correct partition. check your menu.lst to see what it's trying to access, and make sure it matches the correct partition Feb 11 05:03:41 ie: if it's /dev/hda5, make sure it's trying to boot off (hd0,4) Feb 11 05:03:42 all the menu items use uuid Feb 11 05:04:38 define uuid in this instance? Feb 11 05:04:49 what partition is your new boot partition? Feb 11 05:05:28 OH Feb 11 05:05:29 uuids Feb 11 05:05:30 hmm Feb 11 05:05:38 what part needs ti be boot partition? Feb 11 05:05:53 the uuid or root equal UUID equal Feb 11 05:06:52 but still shouldn't grub show me menu items before checking for files Feb 11 05:07:38 uh... hmm... not always no Feb 11 05:07:41 sudo blkid Feb 11 05:07:46 should give you uuids Feb 11 05:08:23 yea I see what I'm missing Feb 11 05:08:56 I didn't put the uuid for the boot partition but keep the root uuid for the kernel Feb 11 05:09:03 me try now Feb 11 05:09:07 that would do it i believe :) Feb 11 05:11:34 there's probably also some fstab magic you could use to fix it, but i'm not even going to go there Feb 11 05:11:42 fail. I guess I have to reinstall grub to mbr Feb 11 05:12:46 thankfully I have wirc so I can disturb the whe Feb 11 05:13:55 do I need to install grub in boot partition? Feb 11 05:14:05 * zsoc|away ponders Feb 11 05:14:05 yes Feb 11 05:14:37 what distro? Feb 11 05:14:52 does it matter? Feb 11 05:15:04 boot partition is seperate Feb 11 05:15:47 yo Feb 11 05:16:29 you can move what you have now. mkdir /mnt/boot; mkdir /mnt/root; mount /dev/sda2 /mnt/boot; mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/root; cp -r /mnt/root/boot/* /mnt/boot/ Feb 11 05:16:39 my interwebs is sucking Feb 11 05:16:43 argh Feb 11 05:17:23 obviously replacing sda1/2 with proper partition pointers Feb 11 05:17:59 umount /dev/sda2; mount /dev/sda2 /boot <-- then remounting to /boot Feb 11 05:18:29 then (unfortunately) you do need to edit your fstab Feb 11 05:19:08 I'm booting live cd Feb 11 05:19:24 cuzi can't get grub to work Feb 11 05:19:31 egaudet-wirc: which live CD? Feb 11 05:19:47 egaudet-wirc: that's fine, you can use those same commands on a live cd Feb 11 05:19:50 what is wrong with your grub? Feb 11 05:19:55 live cd doesn't change much Feb 11 05:20:38 egaudet-wirc: if you're with me so far, you can then just add "/dev/sda2 /boot ext2 defaults 0 0" to your fstab (again, this would be easier with the output of fdisk -l | grep -i linux so i can give you proper commands) Feb 11 05:20:43 kubuntu and I broke something trying to switch from my distrols root/boot to a separate boot partition Feb 11 05:21:17 not following the fstab part Feb 11 05:21:31 I've already done the other cp stuff before Feb 11 05:21:38 egaudet-wirc: you don't need to use uuids in fstab, it's optional Feb 11 05:22:03 fstab is for kernel coming up right it wouldn't effect grub? Feb 11 05:22:17 no, it doesn't effect grub2 Feb 11 05:22:55 I should use grub2 then Feb 11 05:23:20 it most certainly effects grub, kernel and initrd paths become relative to /boot Feb 11 05:23:36 egaudet-wirc: no, because then i can't help you. grub2 is a set of worms that i don't comprehend :P get this working first, then find a tut lol Feb 11 05:25:04 egaudet-wirc: in other words, right now, your kernel is looking for /boot on your partition, but instead, it's going to simply look for / on your boot partition Feb 11 05:25:07 see? Feb 11 05:25:59 so instead of /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-something-generic, your menu.lst should read /initrd.img-2.6.26-something-generic Feb 11 05:26:02 or whatever your kernel is Feb 11 05:27:09 also, your groot needs to change to your boot partition, and your 'root' for that boot line needs to match your groot Feb 11 05:27:11 I sym linked boot to . Feb 11 05:27:17 it's really not complicated, especially if i understand it Feb 11 05:27:17 in boot part Feb 11 05:27:27 I'm not so sure symlinking boot to . is possible, or workable. Feb 11 05:27:39 where do you set a groot Feb 11 05:27:43 in menu.lst Feb 11 05:28:04 in /boot/grub/menu.lst it says something like # groot=(hd0,0) Feb 11 05:28:08 change that to your boot partition Feb 11 05:28:41 then change the root in the boot entry for your distro to match that, and remove the /boot/'s from your kernel and initrd's right below them Feb 11 05:30:33 then all you need to do is reinstall grub.... 'grub' (or sudo grub).. and the commands are.. er... 'root (hd0,1)' or similar (to groot) and 'setup (hd0)' (only your harddrive, not your partition) (since it installs to mbr) Feb 11 05:30:40 which i believe is what you were talking about earlier Feb 11 05:33:10 wait so # is not comment? Feb 11 05:33:17 no ## is a comment Feb 11 05:33:22 # is not a comment Feb 11 05:33:33 son of a stupid jerk! Feb 11 05:33:41 who does that!!! Feb 11 05:33:56 ... grub.. for years Feb 11 05:34:22 i agree it's ridiculous, it made makefiles confusing to me for months after that :p Feb 11 05:36:32 i think the idea is "#" is a default configuration (ie: things you shoudln't touch), but why they adopted ## for comments is beyond me Feb 11 05:36:58 that is one of the reasons behind grub2 i think. now there is one file you NEVER, EVER, EVER edit, and other configuration files it calls Feb 11 05:39:05 I'm gonna break something Feb 11 05:39:20 egaudet-wirc: or fix something. let me know, i need to go to sleep eventually :p Feb 11 05:39:32 if you do what i told you it will work Feb 11 05:39:35 or break more, one or the other Feb 11 05:40:03 otherwise, install pastebinit and give me your menu.list to look at :p Feb 11 05:40:07 I still don't get fstab. I have 2 diff distros rootfs Feb 11 05:40:23 that shouldn't effect error 15 Feb 11 05:40:52 but go to bed I'll figure my user error soon enough Feb 11 05:41:34 egaudet-wirc: er... _if_ you cd /boot; ln -s . then you probably don't need to edit fstab, but i _know_ that way works Feb 11 05:42:31 does boot part have to be ext2 Feb 11 05:42:58 i dont know, i've never used journaling on a boot partition, i don't see why it would matter tho Feb 11 05:43:21 * zsoc|away points to zsoc|wirc Feb 11 05:44:00 ahem Feb 11 05:44:01 let me get on quassel from livecd Feb 11 05:44:09 lulz Feb 11 05:46:30 ping me here with question Feb 11 05:48:57 http://webos.pastebin.com/m231daeec Feb 11 05:53:16 egaudet_: is this for debian or gentoo? Feb 11 05:53:32 ? Feb 11 05:53:38 I want this for everything Feb 11 05:54:13 right now I have ubuntu on sda5 Feb 11 05:54:44 right. fine. you need to.. er... Feb 11 05:55:08 what does SEC_TYPE mean in blkid Feb 11 05:56:13 no idea. doesn't matter Feb 11 05:56:28 your groot needs to be 0,9 Feb 11 05:56:46 it's the uuid Feb 11 05:56:55 it used to sda5's uuid Feb 11 05:57:21 which is what ubuntu set it up as and was working until I decided I wanted a separate boot partition :( Feb 11 05:58:45 ok Feb 11 05:58:52 and remove the /boot/'s Feb 11 05:59:18 from kernel and initrd entries in all boot entries Feb 11 06:00:52 it's relative, so it's no longer looking for /boot, or shouldn't be Feb 11 06:02:15 OK I'm removing every entry except the first ubuntu one Feb 11 06:02:20 removed /boot's Feb 11 06:02:24 then I would reinstall grub. sudo grub Feb 11 06:02:51 root (hd0,9) Feb 11 06:02:54 root (hd0,0) setup (hd0) Feb 11 06:02:59 root (hd0,9) setup (hd0) Feb 11 06:03:04 right Feb 11 06:03:12 you're catching on lol Feb 11 06:03:13 all succeeded DONE Feb 11 06:03:21 this is the ONE part i've known Feb 11 06:03:23 lol Feb 11 06:03:42 if this doesn't work I will eat my hat Feb 11 06:03:43 I had no idea about the groot crap and completely missed the bad uuid earlier Feb 11 06:04:00 ok i"m rebooting Feb 11 06:04:03 say yes Feb 11 06:04:05 (or you screwed something up cping your boot dir or during your symlink) Feb 11 06:04:34 or the repartitioning screwed up something in the ubuntu distro's rootfs/boot Feb 11 06:04:38 and I'm just spinning in circles Feb 11 06:04:52 heh Feb 11 06:05:13 and the ubuntu partition is really WEIRD Feb 11 06:05:20 broken kernel img for the win Feb 11 06:05:26 it's on /dev/sda5 and there is no /dev/sda5 right now Feb 11 06:05:45 sometimes gparted shows it with an !, sometimes it's fine Feb 11 06:05:51 we'll honestly that's unlikely. /boot on rootfs still hasn't been deleted Feb 11 06:06:23 you can probably 'start over' in theory Feb 11 06:06:29 what is it doing? Feb 11 06:07:21 making me crazy... cursor blinking Feb 11 06:07:33 I removed hiddenmenu btw Feb 11 06:07:51 what? Feb 11 06:08:00 that doesn't even make sense Feb 11 06:08:02 grub loading, please wait Feb 11 06:08:07 error 15 Feb 11 06:08:58 you sure all the stuff on your boot partition is sane? Feb 11 06:09:30 no Feb 11 06:09:49 hmm did I do cp -a or cp -r Feb 11 06:09:57 can't remember Feb 11 06:11:16 boots so slow Feb 11 06:13:17 you could also humor me by adding that cruft to your fstab. ubuntu does magical things I don't claim to understand Feb 11 06:15:58 zsoc|wirc: gstreamer is failing to build: Argument "^B^D^A" isn't numeric in numeric lt (<) at - line 1. Feb 11 06:16:26 looks like it's calling perl inside the configure script Feb 11 06:16:43 rwhitby: I've never encountered that error. Feb 11 06:16:57 yeah, it makes no sense. Feb 11 06:16:57 that's during configure? Feb 11 06:17:20 no it doesn't make even a little sense Feb 11 06:17:37 is that on your ubuntu server box? Feb 11 06:18:25 macos sed -i missing extension arg? Feb 11 06:19:29 zsoc|wirc: ubuntu 9.10, but desktop. Feb 11 06:19:33 trying server now Feb 11 06:19:47 zsoc|wirc: what does --enable-parse do in gstreamer? Feb 11 06:20:09 rwhitby: er... stops things from breaking Feb 11 06:20:46 bummer, setting it to no would skip this configure check Feb 11 06:21:02 rwhitby: it's a libxml thing Feb 11 06:21:12 I assume libxml2 built as a dep? Feb 11 06:21:36 it's not in the DEPENDS Feb 11 06:22:25 * zsoc|wirc facepalms Feb 11 06:22:31 did I even push it? Feb 11 06:23:01 oh wait. I think it's already in packages/ Feb 11 06:23:48 each package should build independently based on DEPENDS and an empty staging dir Feb 11 06:24:20 yes I know. clearly I missed that :p Feb 11 06:24:29 (assuming that's causing the issue) Feb 11 06:24:51 add that and see if it works Feb 11 06:25:15 rwhitby: you still here? Feb 11 06:27:58 dBsooner: yep Feb 11 06:28:10 rwhitby: Sorry to bother you with my troubles. :) Feb 11 06:28:16 But did you get my messages? Feb 11 06:29:02 I did. Sorry. Feb 11 06:29:19 Nah, no biggy. Feb 11 06:29:27 Preware 0.9.22 is now in the testing feed, with Italian language support. Feb 11 06:29:43 Awesome Feb 11 06:29:49 I wish I knew Italian. Feb 11 06:30:15 mounting in fstab doesn't work btw Feb 11 06:33:59 "Gli Slogan Casuali sono Spettacolari" :-) Feb 11 06:34:23 (Random Tag-Lines Are Awesome) Feb 11 06:40:04 Tutto Bene Feb 11 06:41:04 So, we still need to decide on the project tag-line for the banner. Feb 11 06:41:29 The current top candidates are: 1) "Super. Open. Phones." and 2) "Your Phone, Smarter" Feb 11 06:42:12 I guess 1) could be "Smart. Open. Phones" Feb 11 06:42:28 2) Feb 11 06:42:48 The current top candidates are: 1) "Smart. Open. Phones." and 2) "Your Phone, Smarter" Feb 11 06:43:02 (not in any order) Feb 11 06:43:44 hmm I like both of those Feb 11 06:44:39 how about "Your Phone, Funner" ? Feb 11 06:44:42 :-D Feb 11 06:44:56 iPod touch commercial Feb 11 06:45:05 Steve Jobs would like it Feb 11 06:45:19 or hate it Feb 11 06:47:34 I think I prefer 1) Feb 11 06:53:05 what's this for? Feb 11 06:54:30 zsoc|wirc: I get the same error on 9.10 server Feb 11 06:54:46 tmzt: Banner for SCALE (and other conferences/expos) for WebOS Internals Feb 11 06:55:38 It was pretty cool to start with but we don't really care for pretty cool Feb 11 06:56:51 rwhitby: You have mail? Feb 11 07:09:01 argh... Feb 11 07:09:11 my interwebs is down... Feb 11 07:09:25 damn series of tubes has a clog... Feb 11 07:09:47 maybe I will play some a Feb 11 07:09:50 AC Feb 11 07:16:19 hey guys, quick question: I'm doing some testing for someone and he sent me an unpackaged version of his app and said to drop it in /media/cryptofs/apps/etc... Feb 11 07:16:39 I've not had to do this before, seems the cryptofs directory is MIA Feb 11 07:18:34 phil_bw: are you on the Linux command line on the Pre, or are you looking at the USB drive from a windows computer? Feb 11 07:18:47 rwhitby, linux command line Feb 11 07:19:05 phil_bw: what does "mount" say for /media/cryptofs/apps ? Feb 11 07:19:33 rwhitby, I don't follow Feb 11 07:19:57 phil_bw: run the "mount" command. does it list /media/cryptofs/apps ? Feb 11 07:20:02 ohh Feb 11 07:20:06 sorry, it's late Feb 11 07:21:06 cryptofs on /media/cryptofs type fuse.cryptofs (rw,nosuid,nodev,user_id=0,group_id=0) Feb 11 07:21:46 phil_bw: that means the /media/cryptofs/apps should be there Feb 11 07:22:48 * rwhitby bbl Feb 11 07:22:54 k Feb 11 07:22:58 think I found my prob... Feb 11 07:26:13 rwhitby: dag nabbit, you left again. Feb 11 07:28:55 egaudet-wirc: you here? Feb 11 07:33:14 another quick question: how do you restart luna from command line? Feb 11 07:33:43 stop LunaSysMgr && start LunaSysMgr Feb 11 07:33:49 thank ya :) Feb 11 07:38:52 so uhh, I did that from the onboard terminal and it just hung there... I'm guessing that wasn't a good idea... :/ Feb 11 07:39:21 onboard? Feb 11 07:39:34 the terminal app on the Pre itself Feb 11 07:39:35 next time just use Luna Manager Feb 11 07:39:49 Luna Manager FWT Feb 11 07:39:57 ? Feb 11 07:39:58 s/WT/TW/ Feb 11 07:39:58 jacques meant: Luna Manager FTW Feb 11 07:40:24 :D Feb 11 07:41:14 I'll look into it after of course I get luna running again Feb 11 07:44:25 anyone used oprofile on webos? Feb 11 08:31:43 rwhitby: you back yet? Feb 11 09:28:52 im still at it trying to merge webos drs..i dunno when to give up do i Feb 11 09:44:38 rwhitby: you back yet? Feb 11 09:56:55 now trying different zip compressions..last try i just dont get why it wont work for me Feb 11 09:58:20 iSmite, I would leave your client on and listening as most of the US is still asleep (2am till 5am across US) and people will see the questions when they get up. Feb 11 09:58:36 im just talking to myself really Feb 11 09:58:53 i know what time it is there i run an irc thats mostly yanks lol Feb 11 09:59:57 we may stay up late (2am here) but we don't stay up that late...unless we are trying to get something done that requires it in the early AM. Feb 11 10:00:13 okay off to bed. Feb 11 10:03:25 later ka6sox Feb 11 10:04:22 niters jacques, 1 week to go! Feb 11 10:04:55 I hope that they get those boxes on their way soon! Feb 11 10:22:16 rwhitby: i sent you one last email. Can you please reply? I am off to get a couple hours of sleep. Night ya'll. Feb 11 10:23:47 okay time to attempt the gps hack again Feb 11 10:35:26 can someone help me get metadoctor running on mac the wiki makes no sense to me, it says to type sudo port install gnutar when i do that it says sudo: port: command not found Feb 11 10:36:34 and it says 'install macports' i download macports theres just a load of files so how do i install it Feb 11 10:44:49 yay. gps hack worked. now bedtime Feb 11 10:46:55 none of this stuff is understandable unless you are a coder or something im really pissed off now ive tried everything, feel like just going back to the iphone and selling it. Feb 11 11:16:41 omfg its working, after 12 hours of trying its working!!! Feb 11 11:31:31 um it works, ill edit the wiki if you still want me to Feb 11 11:58:15 all these patches in preware... are they safe? Feb 11 12:43:31 are all these patches in preware safe? Feb 11 13:05:36 the patches have a money-back garantee Feb 11 13:05:51 of course they're safe Feb 11 14:15:02 cazzo peppe รจ ancora vivo da ieri! Feb 11 14:45:26 rwhitby: I can't recreate the error you stated. did you try installing libxml2? Feb 11 14:49:07 mornin Feb 11 14:53:37 mornin Feb 11 15:58:23 what's cooking in the labs these days? Feb 11 15:59:43 iSmite, if you fix the code then updating the wiki completes the fix. Feb 11 16:01:56 Kyusaku: I'm doing something which may or may not prove entirely useless Feb 11 16:04:27 zsoc: awesome, that's what experimenting is for. Feb 11 16:05:30 Kyusaku: I just don't know if it's worth the trouble. Feb 11 17:09:37 rwhitby: didn't you say that your ipkg feed software was on git? Feb 11 17:11:19 sampson: I believe it is roughly 4am there :) Feb 11 17:11:31 o Feb 11 17:11:51 do you know where the git for it is zsoc? Feb 11 17:11:57 i don't see it on git.webos-internals Feb 11 17:12:51 sampson: I'm unsure what you are referring to. Feb 11 17:12:59 the software you guys use to make ipkg feeds Feb 11 17:13:38 i found out my home isp doesn't filter well... anything so i want to setup my own testing feed for my phone so i can screw around with things Feb 11 17:15:55 sampson: interesting. Feb 11 17:16:16 the software webos-internals uses for the deeds is definitely... somewhere. Feb 11 17:16:23 interesting that my isp is wide open or intersting that i want to do my own feed? :P Feb 11 17:16:28 both Feb 11 17:16:34 what's funnier is my residential isp isn't on any DNSBL either Feb 11 17:17:57 it might be swimming around the nslu2-linux site somewhere? Feb 11 17:32:07 zsoc: it appears the nslu2-linux pakcage manager uses a different format for the Source: portion Feb 11 17:32:53 hmph. then I am sorry. youmay have to wait for rod. Feb 11 17:32:59 k Feb 11 17:33:11 sampson: by 'feed', you mean the packaging technology (autobuilder)? Feb 11 17:33:27 yeah the tools you use to build the Packages files for preware Feb 11 17:33:38 so that preware can read the feeds Feb 11 17:34:18 right. as far as just making a 'feed' I think it's just a manner of putting the right packages in the right place and generating a packages file that contains their info Feb 11 17:34:44 if you want to autopackage projects into ipks, that's a different beast Feb 11 17:35:21 well i got palm-package Feb 11 17:35:41 i had started a bash script to scrape the package info and create a packages file but it was random on if it would work or not Feb 11 17:41:23 all these patches in preware... are they safe to use? Feb 11 17:46:44 unless they're in the dangerous category Feb 11 17:51:57 nn7: we don't break peoples phones :D albeit the patches come with no warranty implied or otherwise, as per MIT license Feb 11 17:53:42 zsoc: I turned off the ipforwarding in freetether but my laptop still tried to route traffic through the phone when I plugged it in Feb 11 17:53:52 I resorted to disabling the network interface in windows Feb 11 17:54:05 nn7: that's a windows 'feature' Feb 11 17:54:25 I'm aware Feb 11 17:54:28 the other option is disabling usbnet on your phone everytime, but that requires a reboot Feb 11 17:54:35 was wondering if you had any other suggestions Feb 11 17:54:42 ahh.. ok Feb 11 17:54:54 hm.. you may be able to set a custom connection for that interface Feb 11 17:55:13 I could hack a lower metric for it Feb 11 17:55:23 or possibly a script for the phone, I'm not terribly familiar with the way win7 interfaces... Feb 11 17:55:57 * zsoc goes to get some work done Feb 11 17:56:07 is there any easy way to remove all the pay apps from preware? Feb 11 17:56:15 I just disabled the palm-* feeds Feb 11 17:56:18 disable the palm app feed Feb 11 17:56:25 ^^ what he said Feb 11 17:56:33 all the palm feeds? Feb 11 17:56:44 just the Palm App Catalog feed Feb 11 17:56:44 the appstore should be the only pay app feed Feb 11 17:56:56 ok, thanks Feb 11 17:57:24 but in the palm-catalog ... there are also some free app !! ?? Feb 11 17:58:18 can you sort by price and have the free ones at the top? Feb 11 17:58:26 next question, does anyone sell a bigger battery? Feb 11 17:58:30 mine doesn't last long Feb 11 17:58:53 there are plenty of third party batteries Feb 11 17:59:04 by Seidio, Mugen, Amzer, etc Feb 11 17:59:59 when you sort by price in the app catalog free apps are first Feb 11 17:59:59 the ones >1400mah come with a bigger back cover Feb 11 18:00:10 nn7: turn down screen brightness Feb 11 18:00:16 I was using the preware to search apps Feb 11 18:00:24 zsoc: it's all the way down to the bottom Feb 11 18:01:01 nn7: I have a touchstone at work, and a usb port in my car, so I have no idea how long my battery lasts lol Feb 11 18:01:27 I wasn't going to spring $50 to save myself the hassle of plugging in a usb cable Feb 11 18:01:32 ok but ... if you sort by price you se free app ordered alfabeticaly no? not by plublished time ! Feb 11 18:01:39 especially when I saw the sales guy try to get it to stay without falling off Feb 11 18:04:21 did anyone else bother with a screen protector for the pre? Feb 11 18:05:39 nn7: I have the sedio 2600 and the amzer 1400. the extra thickness of the sedio is totally worth the increased functionality imo Feb 11 18:05:50 knowyou: thanks Feb 11 18:06:00 knowyou: I had a treo 700 with the bulgy battery and loved it Feb 11 18:06:17 I have a screen protector Feb 11 18:09:08 knowyou: this one? http://www.seidioonline.com/product-p/bacy26pmpre-bk.htm Feb 11 18:12:05 yeah that one. you might be able to get it cheaper on amazon. Feb 11 18:12:34 oh wow, thanks Feb 11 18:12:44 yeah, http://www.amazon.com/Seidio-Innocell-Battery-Palm-Black/dp/B002FU5QPW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=wireless&qid=1265911946&sr=8-1 Feb 11 18:13:20 or you could support precentral through the store ;) Feb 11 18:13:54 I've read about a 2250mah battery on ebay that's much cheaper and might work well too. Feb 11 18:15:03 I'm going to need more of these micro usb cables Feb 11 18:15:24 those can be had cheaply on amazon too Feb 11 18:15:31 Feb 11 18:15:46 anything else you recommend while I'm shopping? Feb 11 18:17:31 I have a headset that I really like but it's the 2.5mm jack Feb 11 18:17:37 do they make adapters for the 3.5mm? Feb 11 18:18:58 http://www.amazon.com/Palm-Charging-professional-outperforms-original/dp/9983744066/ref=sr_1_154?ie=UTF8&s=wireless&qid=1265912296&sr=1-154 Feb 11 18:19:05 should I be concerned about a $0.01 cable? Feb 11 18:20:26 ahh... requires "software and drivers that are sold seperately" Feb 11 18:20:36 I wonder if I could demand a refund because they couldn't spell Feb 11 18:21:17 I bet they do. another option are these adapter they make for iphone. you plug regular headphones into it, and it adds a mic and button ala the stock pre headphones Feb 11 18:21:51 search for griffin smartalk headphone adapter Feb 11 18:22:29 actually I bought some of that cable too Feb 11 18:23:04 it works well, is not compatible with the touchstone, and seemed to have high shipping costs Feb 11 18:26:31 it's like price bingo on amazon Feb 11 18:26:58 I see an item that says $29.99 with a line through it and $2.50 written next to it. I clidk on the link and it's now down to $1.75 Feb 11 18:27:02 happened twice now Feb 11 18:29:10 if it goes negative, buy lots Feb 11 18:29:17 :) Feb 11 18:31:59 hmm.. amazon it trying to charge me $4 shipping PER CABLE Feb 11 18:32:08 cute Feb 11 18:33:07 oh I forgot about shipping cost Feb 11 18:37:47 monoprice.com Feb 11 18:43:23 monoprice ftw Feb 11 18:45:07 I need help adding preware. Feb 11 18:45:13 Can anyone help? Feb 11 18:45:30 monoprice FTW indeed Feb 11 18:53:24 morning all Feb 11 18:59:45 ack Feb 11 18:59:52 sorry polo, I would have helped Feb 11 19:01:20 zsoc: you around? Feb 11 19:06:06 sampson: working, sort of here now Feb 11 19:06:53 i remember now Feb 11 19:07:08 what's the minimum amount of things the Source: field requires in Packages to show up properly Feb 11 19:20:58 sampson: again I am unsure :/ rod should be back soon tho Feb 11 19:23:57 k Feb 11 19:31:26 i have officially announded the application translation service: http://www.thinmachine.ch/service.html Feb 11 19:31:33 end of shameless plug Feb 11 19:31:55 and btw: free translations for open source apps Feb 11 19:34:11 swisstomcat: nice Feb 11 20:02:45 hi Feb 11 20:27:42 sampson: git.webos-internals.org/preware/build.git Feb 11 20:31:58 rwhitby: sorry. I really do try to field questions in your absence, hehe Feb 11 20:32:10 rwhitby: did you try with libxml2 as a dep? Feb 11 20:35:41 any patches to disable the touch screen when you're on the phone? Feb 11 20:36:00 nn7: ... doesn't the sensor do that? Feb 11 20:36:12 rwhitby: thanks :) Feb 11 20:37:02 Feb 11 20:37:13 I know it was a setting on my 700p Feb 11 20:37:37 nn7: there's a proximity sensor top left corner Feb 11 20:38:03 nn7: there's a sensor when you put the phone up to your ear, the screen turns off. start a phone call and try it with your finger. it's right next to the speaker Feb 11 20:38:20 it is activated when you're in a phone call Feb 11 20:38:34 ok cool Feb 11 20:39:34 So, has anyone tested Preware 0.9.22 in the testing feed with Italian support? Feb 11 21:01:35 I stand by all my past claims that analysts are morons who pull things out of air Feb 11 21:01:56 rwhitby: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WYVUNY6z6E Feb 11 21:03:00 chrisa: lol I just went off about an analyst in another channel Feb 11 21:04:49 rwhitby: I installed 0.9.22 - when it was supposed to show the changelog it only showed a white screen, I exited it and restarted, and it seems OK now Feb 11 21:05:20 didn't we have that before? maybe an error in the changelog display? Feb 11 21:05:35 it does sound familiar, but I personally hadn't seen it Feb 11 21:10:19 analysts are wrong for so many reasons. mostly because they are pushing agendas. Feb 11 21:11:35 what's the opposite of a pump and dump? where you lie bad news so stock goes down, buy low, and profit when it goes back up? Feb 11 21:17:03 rwhitby: wow your feed maker is way more extensive than mine :P Feb 11 21:18:57 sampson: it's based on 5 years of ipkg.nslu2-linux.org work Feb 11 21:19:26 ya mine's just a bash script that extracts the ipk and scrubs info from appinfo.json Feb 11 21:21:13 maybe i'll work on a php front-end for one Feb 11 21:21:39 would be cool if we got multiple feeds going like iphone has Feb 11 21:22:52 could make a pretty slick submit your own app and then moderate posts to keep the feed from getting taken advantage of Feb 11 21:24:34 so what happened Feb 11 21:25:36 i heard there is like 48% short interest in PALM Feb 11 21:26:58 sampson: you mean like the PreCentral app gallery? Feb 11 21:27:37 xcomp: not sure, but I _heard_ they shut down factories for chinese new year, and investors are taking that as omg, they're stopping production... Feb 11 21:27:49 hehe Feb 11 21:30:09 mdklein: hmmm......if that's the case, then maybe I should gamble a little money on a short squeeze :) Feb 11 21:31:05 * rwhitby bbl Feb 11 21:31:16 well, don't take my word for it, I'm just repeating what I heard :-p Feb 11 21:31:21 I haven't investigated Feb 11 21:33:19 http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/11/debunk-palm-not-halting-pre-pixi-production-just-on-hold-for/ Feb 11 21:33:51 Here's the official word from Derick Mains, Palm's director of corporate communications: Feb 11 21:33:51 Palm regularly adjusts its product manufacturing levels to manage inventory. In anticipation of the Verizon Wireless launch and Chinese New Year, we increased production levels prior to February, and anticipate ramping production back up after the Chinese New Year ends. Feb 11 21:34:37 official debunking is good Feb 11 21:34:59 Rick_work: oh goodness! you mean an answer that makes sense? Feb 11 21:35:01 for shame Feb 11 21:35:32 sorry Feb 11 21:35:48 a LOT of people are short palm Feb 11 21:36:16 it's probably not going to move now ... but any bit of good news could trigger a squeeze Feb 11 21:36:26 almost half the float is short Feb 11 21:37:31 xcomp: I noticed that Feb 11 21:45:05 rwhitby: just something open and free so that others could install it on a web server Feb 11 22:35:46 g'night Feb 11 22:40:22 sampson: I'm a big believer in always having the ability to do things yourself, but never setting up infrastructure unless you are committed to maintaining the infrastructure for at least 5 years. Feb 11 22:41:38 So whilst it's extremely important that anyone *can* set up an ipkg feed and get it added to Preware as a default feed, I'd hate to see a million feeds each with 1 or 2 apps spring up and each expect to be added to Preware as a default feed. Feb 11 22:47:04 sampson: in particular, everything needed to replicate *.preware.org is open source and exists in public repositories, so if the current owners of preware.org (i.e. me) ever go rogue, the community can just set up a new site, fork and modify Preware to look at the new site, and continue. Feb 11 22:48:32 you can't say the same for the Palm App Catalog, WebOS Quick Install or fileCoaster or PreLoad ... Feb 11 22:49:14 (all of which have proprietary parts that cannot be legally replicated by the community) Feb 11 22:52:07 hello Feb 11 22:52:13 bot say hi Feb 11 22:52:18 hello Feb 11 22:52:35 yeah rwhitby Feb 11 22:52:45 i just like staying away from preware Feb 11 22:52:46 what just happened Feb 11 22:52:52 i like the tools but i hate the userbase Feb 11 22:53:12 who changed my name Feb 11 22:53:39 i'm guessing the internet Feb 11 22:53:45 lisistning to precentral pod cast Feb 11 22:54:16 how do i chang my nickname Feb 11 22:54:49 is anybody here Feb 11 22:55:01 lrn2irc Feb 11 22:55:04 do '/nick YOURNICK' Feb 11 22:55:12 IS THIS THING ON? HELLO!!!!! Feb 11 22:55:17 I SAID HELLO Feb 11 22:55:19 sampson: I don't follow? The userbase of Preware makes you stay away from Preware? Feb 11 22:55:20 hi Feb 11 22:55:47 egaudet_work: there's a lot of whitenoise inbetween the worthwhile conversations Feb 11 22:55:47 '/nick HALOREACHFREAK Feb 11 22:55:58 without quotes Feb 11 22:56:03 so i just stay away Feb 11 22:56:09 ohhhh Feb 11 22:56:19 What does preware have to do with conversations? Feb 11 22:56:30 THanks Feb 11 22:56:30 gah i'm confusing things/people Feb 11 22:56:31 precentral Feb 11 22:56:35 ignore me i'm working Feb 11 22:56:41 ahhh lol I get it now Feb 11 22:56:57 im lisisting to podcast missed it tuesday Feb 11 22:57:06 gettin some hardware appliances prepped for maintenance tonight Feb 11 22:57:07 halo: heh. me too Feb 11 22:57:37 is my thether better than mobile hotspot or is it the same Feb 11 22:58:41 Hello Feb 11 22:59:30 hello Feb 11 22:59:39 HALOREACHFREAK: your name is loud Feb 11 22:59:48 WHT Feb 11 23:00:02 night night Feb 11 23:00:03 zsoc: I yell it in my head every time I see it... :/ Feb 11 23:00:08 LOL Feb 11 23:00:15 Tibfib: that's the problem :( i have a headache Feb 11 23:00:27 Is My Thether Better than Mobile Hotspot Feb 11 23:00:31 zsoc: heh. I'm not there yet. Feb 11 23:00:53 zsoc: btw grub-install Feb 11 23:00:57 HALOREACHFREAK: better is a funny word Feb 11 23:01:02 egaudet_work: yes, re:grub, what fixed it? Feb 11 23:01:04 grub-install? Feb 11 23:01:09 is that a util of sorts? Feb 11 23:01:16 it's a wrapper Feb 11 23:01:37 lWHen will Docs to Go come to the pre Feb 11 23:01:37 i ran grub-isntall --root-directory=/mnt (mounted boot partition on /mnt) Feb 11 23:01:40 and then it worked Feb 11 23:01:41 tmzt: what does it do that the grub utility doesn't do? Feb 11 23:01:55 halo: go to #webos for that type of discussion Feb 11 23:01:56 egaudet_work: magical. sorry i steered you everywhere Feb 11 23:02:16 that's complicated Feb 11 23:02:24 it just simplifies installing grub Feb 11 23:02:31 tmzt: i see. i need to learn grub2 :/ Feb 11 23:02:38 sadly I don't really know how or why it works Feb 11 23:02:47 I need to know what grub-install did :( Feb 11 23:03:01 just that installing working grub without it is more difficult Feb 11 23:03:03 egaudet_work: check out your new menu.lst? see the changes? Feb 11 23:03:03 I thought grub shell root (hdx,y) setup(hdx) was all that was needed Feb 11 23:03:36 egaudet_work: me too :P also, did you erase / archive what was in your original /boot folder? you don't want to confuse it with your new partition later Feb 11 23:03:41 grub-install doesn't modify menu.lst Feb 11 23:03:47 HALOREACHFREAK: /nick haloreachfreak Feb 11 23:04:08 sampson: i see. this channel is full of interesting people with varying knowledge :) Feb 11 23:04:30 afaik grub-install just loads onto the mbr and poitns to a given partition Feb 11 23:04:33 which then reads menu.lst Feb 11 23:05:00 rwhitby: re:gstreamer configure error Feb 11 23:05:22 sampson: doesn't grub shell root and setup commands do the exact same thing? Feb 11 23:05:24 grub-install copies GRUB images into the DIR/boot directory specfied by --root-directory, and uses the grub shell to install grub into the boot sector. Feb 11 23:05:29 so says the manpage Feb 11 23:05:36 * rwhitby bbl Feb 11 23:05:58 bah. rod stop having random errors i can't recreate :p Feb 11 23:06:24 where's destinal been? Feb 11 23:06:33 egaudet_work: is there a good way to grep the webos internals logs? Feb 11 23:06:58 in irssi use lastlog Feb 11 23:07:04 can you wget the log Feb 11 23:07:16 zsoc: btw I'm not mounting my boot partition Feb 11 23:07:40 so no one but me will mess with it Feb 11 23:07:46 bah, i'll use google magic Feb 11 23:07:47 egaudet_work: i see... Feb 11 23:08:24 awww c'mon egaudet_work Feb 11 23:08:57 i just want to insert PRINTF('sampson was here\n'); in the kernel so it says it on bootup Feb 11 23:10:28 I just don't want ubuntu updating and ruining it somehow Feb 11 23:11:50 lol Feb 11 23:11:53 alright I'm outta here Feb 11 23:11:54 bbl Feb 11 23:13:36 rwhitby: was your error "Argument "^B^D^A" isn't numeric in numeric lt (<) at - line 1" during BISON build by any chance? (bison being a dep for gstreamer) Feb 11 23:13:41 that would make 74734973 times more sense Feb 11 23:14:19 zsoc: no, it was in the bison version check during gstreamer configure Feb 11 23:14:36 looked like when it calls perl to do the version string comparison Feb 11 23:14:49 rwhitby: no no, i think the issue is bison version is commented out in the configure file Feb 11 23:15:03 it's just odd i can't recreate the problem here Feb 11 23:17:34 oh goodness Feb 11 23:17:50 i think my hard drive just died, again. what are the chances. Feb 11 23:18:16 yep Feb 11 23:18:22 only what's in ram works, heh Feb 11 23:18:28 er.. i'll bbiab _maybe_ Feb 11 23:22:37 Can anyone else confirm whether Preware 0.9.22 in the testing feed starts up correctly with the changelog, or has a blank screen as jacques reported? Feb 11 23:28:15 sampson: I didn't understand your comment about not wanting to use Preware because of the conversations ... Feb 11 23:29:17 wooo fsck ftw Feb 11 23:32:41 rwhitby: hmm.. so is it a perl thing? Feb 11 23:33:10 zsoc: yeah, dunno. Feb 11 23:33:26 hmm, facebook finally saw the light and switched to xmpp Feb 11 23:33:38 i wonder if this means we will have fb chat enabled in webos 1.4 Feb 11 23:34:34 rwhitby: did you say it doesn't happen without --enable-parsing ? Feb 11 23:34:44 zsoc: dunno, haven't got back to it Feb 11 23:35:33 rwhitby: i was confusing it and precentral Feb 11 23:35:34 ignore me Feb 11 23:35:43 was doing too many things at once Feb 11 23:36:35 bummer? pre streaming player doesn't support .ts files, which the iphone does :/ Feb 11 23:36:41 thus, can't stream the new twit feed :/ Feb 11 23:37:02 zsoc: if I add --disable-parse to the configure arguments, it gets past configure Feb 11 23:37:09 VincentLaw: which one is .ts now? Feb 11 23:37:33 which reminds me, I should get back to my sdl media player project soon Feb 11 23:37:45 mpeg2-ts I think? :/ Feb 11 23:38:00 zsoc: Command-line parser : no Feb 11 23:38:14 zsoc: will that break anything? Feb 11 23:38:18 rwhitby: ok, that should be fine as long as i never have to use this build for gst-launch, which i should never have to Feb 11 23:38:31 xcomp: hey, don't step on my feet ;) Feb 11 23:38:34 http://iphone-streaming.ustream.tv/ustreamVideo/1463655/streams/live/playlist.m3u8 <--first is this, which the pre also doesn't detect (m3u8). upon openign that up, is another m3u8. upon opening THAT ONE, is a .ts stream that the pre also cannot stream. Feb 11 23:38:41 xcomp: KIDDING! could use your crazy expertise Feb 11 23:38:50 just found it odd that the Pre can't stream something the iphone can :/ Feb 11 23:38:54 VincentLaw: sheesh ... it doesn't do mpeg2 streams? Feb 11 23:39:11 .ts is a mpeg2 stream, ts container Feb 11 23:39:11 rwhitby: you can push that ty Feb 11 23:39:19 zsoc: ok Feb 11 23:41:12 VincentLaw: right ... that's what has me puzzled Feb 11 23:41:18 maybe it just doesn't understand the container Feb 11 23:42:12 zsoc: I'll move things over to packages as they build for me. Feb 11 23:42:20 rwhitby: kk Feb 11 23:42:30 rwhitby: don't forget to fix the deps (remove the ../nonworking/) Feb 11 23:42:35 zsoc: nod Feb 11 23:44:39 xcomp: are you familiar with gst-plugins-opengl ? Feb 11 23:45:49 zsoc: haven't messed around with gst plugins Feb 11 23:46:00 xcomp: well you mentioned a media player.... Feb 11 23:46:26 xcomp: at the very least the streaming player doesn't recognize that .ts is a container it can play, even if it could Feb 11 23:46:35 but containers shouldn't be hard to get working :/ Feb 11 23:46:48 especially one known to work on the iphone Feb 11 23:46:55 xcomp: in theory those plugins would allow hardware accelerated video playback Feb 11 23:47:13 zsoc: for gstreamer, do we only need make install-data ? Feb 11 23:47:21 VincentLaw: i don't understand why you keep saying iphone? what does that have to do with anything? Feb 11 23:47:51 rwhitby: i can honestly say i don't know. but assuming the makefile supports that... i only need staged what is necessary to build the plugin packages, i don't actually need anything from gstreamer itself Feb 11 23:48:27 zsoc: well it's an "iphone" stream. just annoys me that it actually only works on the iphone :p Feb 11 23:48:31 since the hardware is so similar Feb 11 23:49:13 VincentLaw: that doesn't make sense. this has nothing to do with the hardware Feb 11 23:49:44 that's entirely my point. it's only software stopping it, that's the annoying part :p Feb 11 23:49:57 ... Feb 11 23:50:01 the software is nothing alike Feb 11 23:50:22 it's not a special iphone container or something :p Feb 11 23:50:29 it's just one the pre doesn't handle Feb 11 23:50:29 ... Feb 11 23:50:33 right Feb 11 23:50:39 or many phones Feb 11 23:51:12 aaaaanyway :p Feb 11 23:51:12 zsoc: assuming that the powervr sgx has video acceleration Feb 11 23:51:18 we should get .ts working :p Feb 11 23:51:35 VincentLaw: why? Feb 11 23:51:43 why not? Feb 11 23:51:50 VincentLaw: ok, you should do it then. Feb 11 23:52:05 .t2 == m2ts ? Feb 11 23:52:09 xcomp: i don't think that's a stretch Feb 11 23:52:16 s/t2/ts/ Feb 11 23:52:16 jacques meant: .ts == m2ts ? Feb 11 23:52:17 zsoc: you're being very... defensive for some reason? :/ Feb 11 23:52:37 jacques: MPEG2-ts, so if that's the same thing, then sure :p Feb 11 23:53:01 VincentLaw: yes, MPEG2 transport stream Feb 11 23:53:15 VincentLaw: Can you help getting it working? Please stop mediaserver; start mediaserver -l --gst-debug=3 and then try to play that url. then pastebin the output Feb 11 23:53:18 should be well supported these days Feb 11 23:53:19 VincentLaw: then i can get it working for you Feb 11 23:53:50 or at least tell you why it doesn't Feb 11 23:53:52 sometimes it's as simple as changing the filename extension Feb 11 23:53:53 zsoc: how do I get it to try playing the file though, since it isn't recognized as a format it can play Feb 11 23:54:07 change name to foo.m2ts ? Feb 11 23:54:14 VincentLaw: what happens when you go to that url? Feb 11 23:54:15 I can't do that, not my server, it's ustream :p Feb 11 23:55:24 the url times out so bloody fast, let me get a new one from ustream Feb 11 23:55:35 (the urls are valid for only a short time) Feb 11 23:55:59 can you run animated gifs or videos as pre wallpaper? Feb 11 23:56:14 http://iphone-streaming.ustream.tv/ustreamVideo/1463655/streams/live/media_8769.ts <-- there's an example URL Feb 11 23:56:26 VincentLaw: right, so what happens when you go to it on your pre? Feb 11 23:56:30 sec Feb 11 23:56:42 does it open the video player? Feb 11 23:56:44 ala rtsp? Feb 11 23:58:05 no Feb 11 23:58:07 it never gets that far Feb 11 23:58:35 my browser attempts to download it (which the browser multimod patch gives you the option of), and I never get the option to stream, unlike any other streaming type Feb 11 23:58:55 zsoc: I have also been thinking about creating a luna interface lib using libdbus to communicate, even though I expect palm to provide one as part of the pdk when it comes out Feb 11 23:59:19 xcomp: hmm.. i'm unsure that's necessary Feb 11 23:59:48 zsoc: more for convenience than anything Feb 12 00:00:18 something like e_luna_open_url() would be nice, for example Feb 12 00:00:42 VincentLaw: if it doesn't get to the media player, it is outside my realm of knowledge, and wrapped up in the webkit framework Feb 12 00:01:32 xcomp: i see Feb 12 00:03:08 zsoc: yeah it's likely that the .ts extension/mime type isn't recognized by webos yet Feb 12 00:03:35 add it to mime.types Feb 12 00:04:21 jacques: expound? Feb 12 00:05:45 /etc/mime.types maps filename extensions to mime types Feb 12 00:05:57 oh Feb 12 00:05:59 i knew that Feb 12 00:06:32 looks like ts is already in the one on my desktop, but as "text/vnd.trolltech.linguist" Feb 12 00:06:45 mts is in there, but m2ts is not Feb 12 00:06:48 jacques: i have no /etc/mime.types ? Feb 12 00:07:25 on the Pre? I hadn't checked. Feb 12 00:07:42 lol Feb 12 00:07:56 jacques: there's a default filetype application, but i have no idea where it stores info. Feb 12 00:08:07 aha Feb 12 00:08:19 some sqlite db probably Feb 12 00:08:38 haha /etc/palm/autoreplace/de_de/text-edit-autoreplace:pantomine|pantomime Feb 12 00:08:43 so much for grep magic lol Feb 12 00:09:23 uh Feb 12 00:09:50 Mousey: what are you up to these days? Feb 12 00:10:25 sucking down coffee like a cheap mexican hooker Feb 12 00:10:33 *ahem* Feb 12 00:10:34 Mousey: that is... excellent Feb 12 00:10:40 Mousey: also, what the heck does that mean? :p Feb 12 00:10:50 well, the coffee isn't cheap Feb 12 00:11:10 just trying to stay awake at my desk.. Feb 12 00:11:29 anyone else get cups working? Feb 12 00:14:55 you put the coffe in, and then you drink it out. it's pretty simple Feb 12 00:15:03 s/coffe/coffee/ Feb 12 00:15:03 jacques meant: you put the coffee in, and then you drink it out. it's pretty simple Feb 12 00:16:18 Does anyone know where command.resource.handers.json is? Feb 12 00:16:59 * Mousey can't seem to find slocate Feb 12 00:17:14 is that irony? Feb 12 00:17:17 jacques: haw haw Feb 12 00:17:22 that's two in a row! Feb 12 00:17:26 i meant cups the printing software Feb 12 00:17:45 i got it working, but there's a surprising lack of File->Print buttons in WebOS apps, i've noticed. Feb 12 00:18:19 that would be cool to get working Feb 12 00:19:18 Ok, mime's are in /usr/palm/command-resource-handlers.json Feb 12 00:19:35 got my printer all set up, but except for catting directly to the queue, i can't seem to print anything Feb 12 00:19:39 So, I think we're going to go with: "WebOS Internals: Smart. Open. Phones." Feb 12 00:19:49 here here! Feb 12 00:19:57 anyone got anything better? if not, we'll get the banner made. Feb 12 00:20:04 now tell ka6sox-work so he can get it to the printer :-D Feb 12 00:20:18 WebOS Internals: Linux By The Handful Feb 12 00:20:19 ^_^ Feb 12 00:20:31 VincentLaw: what is the mime type for the file in question? Feb 12 00:20:45 how about ""WebOS Internals: anyone got anything better?" Feb 12 00:21:15 heh Feb 12 00:21:30 WebOS Internals: Needs A Bigger Screen Feb 12 00:21:32 VincentLaw: audio/ts ? audio/m2ts? Feb 12 00:21:53 WebOS Internals: Mobile Linux Done Properly Feb 12 00:22:00 ka6sox-work: please emphasize to the printer the .'s after each of the last three words Feb 12 00:22:01 VincentLaw: er, probably video/ i guess Feb 12 00:22:03 R0d3nt: always the trouble maker ;-( Feb 12 00:22:12 =P Feb 12 00:22:17 he he Feb 12 00:22:18 that's the sort of things they mess up - "but it's bad grammar!" Feb 12 00:22:32 i don't make trouble. I make hardware companies consider linux! Feb 12 00:22:34 ...its what i do Feb 12 00:22:40 ^_^ Feb 12 00:22:58 video/mpeg2? help me out here :P Feb 12 00:22:58 as long as you don't quit your day job to write slogans for a living :-D Feb 12 00:23:09 zsoc: uhm hold on Feb 12 00:23:15 it's a pain in the ass to get a good URL :p Feb 12 00:23:18 lol Feb 12 00:23:24 so why are we doing this? :p Feb 12 00:23:32 WebOS Internals: Open Mobile Opportunities Feb 12 00:23:36 application/octet-stream ? Feb 12 00:23:58 WebOS Internals: Linux machines shaped like phones. Feb 12 00:24:06 http://iphone-streaming.ustream.tv/ustreamVideo/1463655/streams/live/media_8901.ts?wowzasessionid=165406232 quick try that, I have no idea what mime type that is :p Feb 12 00:24:25 neither does firefox Feb 12 00:24:37 firefox won't tell me more than "MPEG-2 TS Video" Feb 12 00:24:56 * Mousey flexes his googlefingers Feb 12 00:25:15 okay.... Feb 12 00:25:19 video/MP2T Feb 12 00:25:22 according to wget :p Feb 12 00:25:27 * ka6sox-work wants to know if we are in agreement. Feb 12 00:26:02 and, mpeg2 is just a container, which can contain video and audio (and other data) streams encoded with various codecs Feb 12 00:26:28 I am in agreement with myself. Feb 12 00:27:01 ka6sox-work: I've not seen a better suggestion in over a month, so I'm going to call it. Feb 12 00:27:15 VincentLaw: add: { "extn":"mp2t", "mime":"video/mp2t", "appId":"com.palm.app.videoplayer", "streamable":true }, to /usr/palm/command-resource-handlers.json Feb 12 00:27:38 Webos-Internals: Smart. Open. Phone. Feb 12 00:27:46 that will of course be on 2 lines Feb 12 00:27:48 ka6sox-work: Phone*s*. Feb 12 00:27:49 should extn be ts ? in this case Feb 12 00:28:05 jacques: probably Feb 12 00:28:10 ka6sox-work: without the *'s Feb 12 00:28:10 ka6sox-work: no hypen in WebOS Internals Feb 12 00:28:24 "WebOS Internals" Feb 12 00:28:29 "Smart. Open. Phones." Feb 12 00:28:30 zsoc: okay, although I think we might have to do something about that playlist file it's in as well, .m3u8 Feb 12 00:28:32 VincentLaw: do what jacques says. "ts" in the second set of quotes instead of "mp2t" Feb 12 00:28:38 WebOS Internals: Smart. Open. Phones. Feb 12 00:28:40 got it. Feb 12 00:28:49 please email that to me so I can work on the layout. Feb 12 00:28:50 VincentLaw: it's not "in" anything, it's a .ts file as far as the browser sees Feb 12 00:29:09 I also need the master Logo please. Feb 12 00:29:30 ka6sox-work: even though Palm do not capitalise the W in webOS, we capitalise it in our name. Feb 12 00:29:57 rwhitby, okay good. Feb 12 00:29:58 VincentLaw: that's all of the prodding i can do. if you can hack the resource-handlers.json, and push it into the video player, and grab the output of mediaserver for me, _then_ i can tell you if we can or can not do it Feb 12 00:30:05 please email and I'll get that done. Feb 12 00:30:13 zsoc: ok trying :/ Feb 12 00:30:20 Templarian: ping Feb 12 00:30:52 GOT IT!!!!!!!!!1 Feb 12 00:30:54 filetype mpeg-2 transport stream Feb 12 00:30:54 mime type: video/mp2t Feb 12 00:30:57 man i rock Feb 12 00:30:57 Templarian: ka6sox-work needs the master copy of the traditional tux webos-internals logo (the one at the top left of webos-internals.org of traditional tux with a phone and screwdriver) Feb 12 00:31:13 Mousey: [19:25:08] video/MP2T Feb 12 00:31:21 DAMMIT Feb 12 00:31:22 too slow Feb 12 00:31:25 lol Feb 12 00:31:33 rwhitby: hmm... Feb 12 00:31:39 Pick it up Mousey!...your laggin! Feb 12 00:31:41 :D Feb 12 00:31:54 * ka6sox-work razzes Mousey Feb 12 00:31:57 blah! Feb 12 00:31:59 Mousey: VincentLaw: that's _probably_ the mimetype, but ultimately it could be otherwise. we're going to try that first and see how it works out. Feb 12 00:32:15 ka6sox-work: there is no "master copy" Feb 12 00:32:16 well two independent researchies came up the same Feb 12 00:32:19 zsoc: quick, mounting rw root filesystem command? :p Feb 12 00:32:24 on the internet, ALL research is accurate Feb 12 00:32:31 VincentLaw: mount -o remount,rw / Feb 12 00:32:37 WebOS Internals: On the internet, ALL research is accurate Feb 12 00:32:39 thanks Feb 12 00:33:06 Mousey, only if you are the WebBot project. Feb 12 00:33:15 * Mousey googles Feb 12 00:33:54 Templarian, what app did you use to create it? Feb 12 00:33:56 ka6sox-work: http://www.webos-internals.org/images/webos-internals-logo.png this is really the only version of the icon. Feb 12 00:34:01 VincentLaw: according to the IETF, this mimetype is only defined for rtp transfor, which is good for us Feb 12 00:34:27 zsoc: would I need to restart luna/reboot for that to take effect? Feb 12 00:34:31 ka6sox-work: Fireworks, but I never saved it in layers I made it really quick never thought to keep it layered. Feb 12 00:34:36 * Mousey comes up empty Feb 12 00:34:59 VincentLaw: _probably_ not, but i'm not familiar with the browser framework. if it doesn't work, try a full restart. we'll figure out what service crawls that later Feb 12 00:35:10 didn't work, trying reboot Feb 12 00:36:27 e.e its not rebooooooting >.> Feb 12 00:37:05 *sigh* guess I need to pull the battery Feb 12 00:37:10 haha Feb 12 00:37:15 as soon as I said that it restarted Feb 12 00:38:49 * rwhitby bbl Feb 12 00:41:47 zsoc: error playing back the file Feb 12 00:43:11 VincentLaw: did it open in video player? that is what i asked correct? Feb 12 00:43:21 Also, I just had my first experience with python.... and a whitespacing error. i want to die. Feb 12 00:43:27 that's what happened when it started the streaming video part, yeah I think so Feb 12 00:43:43 VincentLaw: that is excellent news Feb 12 00:43:46 VincentLaw: now i need another link to test something Feb 12 00:44:02 grumble lol Feb 12 00:44:29 it's probably a typefindfunctions issue. luckily enough i already patched it for something else :P Feb 12 00:44:31 http://iphone-streaming.ustream.tv/ustreamVideo/1463655/streams/live/media_8999.ts?wowzasessionid=478851977 <-- increment media_8999 up if it expires, just discovered that :p Feb 12 00:44:48 VincentLaw: why does it expire at all? Feb 12 00:45:01 I have no idea, thats why I was wondering about this m3u8 playlist Feb 12 00:45:05 there's 4 .ts files in it Feb 12 00:45:13 each is just the same as the previous, except incremented by 1 Feb 12 00:46:06 this may sound insane, but I'm actually wondering if ustream is doing this by having a never-ending list of short .ts files >.> Feb 12 00:46:30 Mousey, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_Bot Feb 12 00:47:24 VincentLaw: ok, can you pastebin me the output of what i asked you to do earlier? Feb 12 00:47:44 back later Feb 12 00:47:58 uhm let me find it :p Feb 12 00:48:47 start: invalid option: -l Feb 12 00:48:47 :p Feb 12 00:50:59 VincentLaw: remove the whole word start Feb 12 00:51:35 okay, gonna try now Feb 12 00:51:52 initially it will output very little, after trying to access the url, it will output a ton of garbage. Feb 12 00:53:27 uh wow that was a lot of text Feb 12 00:53:44 VincentLaw: right, i said that Feb 12 00:53:52 like more than my scrollback handles >.> Feb 12 00:54:01 sigh Feb 12 00:54:22 I'll pipe it to a temp file :p Feb 12 00:54:24 i'm sure there's some wonderful way to force the stdout to a file. Feb 12 00:54:28 good idea Feb 12 00:54:34 pastebinit ftw ;) Feb 12 00:54:53 * zsoc believes pastebinit belongs in every /usr/bin Feb 12 00:55:23 gah crap Feb 12 00:55:47 mediaserver -l --gstcrap > /tmp/outputgarbage didn't reroute everything Feb 12 00:55:52 what's the other method >.> Feb 12 00:56:36 er... >> ? Feb 12 00:56:50 1&2? i'm no shell guy :/ i wish i was Feb 12 00:57:11 VincentLaw: you can try --gst-debug=2 ... it will significantly shorten the output and _might_ still have the info i need Feb 12 00:57:40 I think I got it rerouting now Feb 12 00:57:47 yay Feb 12 00:58:01 it's 2> /tmp/file FYI :p Feb 12 00:58:40 2 is stderr only i think. although maybe that's how it's working.. since it's debug output Feb 12 00:58:42 * zsoc shrugs Feb 12 00:58:59 yay, libogg builds Feb 12 00:59:11 http://webos.pastebin.com/dbde2f72 :p Feb 12 00:59:35 yeah, it's std_err, only the 3 lines when it first starts are not in that :p Feb 12 00:59:44 zsoc: run ./something > file 2>&1 Feb 12 01:00:04 all the unicode symbols is color codes in the terminal I believe Feb 12 01:00:29 VincentLaw: you have a lot of :p faces Feb 12 01:00:33 2>&1 sends stderr into stdin Feb 12 01:00:35 VincentLaw: i'm trying to help you here Feb 12 01:00:44 s/din/dout/ Feb 12 01:00:46 destinal meant: 2>&1 sends stderr into stdout Feb 12 01:00:47 destinal: right, :P not to be confused with 2&>1 ;) Feb 12 01:00:57 :p sorry it's :p a :p habit, it means nothing Feb 12 01:00:58 :p Feb 12 01:01:05 zsoc: heh, yeah Feb 12 01:01:17 ................................................................................................................................................................................. Feb 12 01:01:22 s/./:P/g Feb 12 01:01:22 destinal meant: :P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:... Feb 12 01:01:33 sorry, irresistable Feb 12 01:01:48 I wish we could s/ on others' text :p Feb 12 01:02:03 I'd so s/:P/:P:P/g that :p Feb 12 01:02:06 VincentLaw: this is good news Feb 12 01:02:12 interestingly, he stopped at a certain point Feb 12 01:02:19 destinal: excelent Feb 12 01:02:21 infobot is too smart Feb 12 01:02:33 it's going to be come sentient one of these days. Feb 12 01:02:38 zsoc: whats the good news? :D Feb 12 01:02:45 VincentLaw: that everything works. Feb 12 01:03:16 VincentLaw: basically, typefindfunctions is what tells decodebin (called by playbin) what plugin to try, based on the type (not the mime type, but very similar) Feb 12 01:03:46 based on FOURCC? or do they not use that anymore Feb 12 01:04:00 VincentLaw: typefindfunctions plugin on webos is completely stripped to the bone. so we just add the necessary "type", as well as tell it what plugin to point at to decode it (probably already present) Feb 12 01:04:17 after i eat Feb 12 01:04:27 awesome possum Feb 12 01:04:36 thanks for the hard work! :D Feb 12 01:04:57 I wonder how many iphone streams the pre will play after that. will be cool to check out Feb 12 01:06:58 zsoc: you rock Feb 12 01:09:17 Templarian: the to svg isnt' fixing the jaggies. Feb 12 01:09:54 Templarian, anything past 2X is awful. Feb 12 01:40:37 i bet android AND the iphone BOTH have jabber clients Feb 12 01:41:55 im back Feb 12 01:42:24 HELLO Feb 12 01:43:08 HELLO Feb 12 01:43:24 HALOREACHFREAK: please don't spam the channel Feb 12 01:43:46 Mousey: but do they have IRC clients? Feb 12 01:44:02 ok Feb 12 01:46:24 Ok i no this ight not be appripite for this channel but i want to start making apps for the web os. i have no experence progaming anything but i wont to learn. Is there any books on how to learn how to start for begieners. Please and thank you Feb 12 01:46:25 jacques: a couple Feb 12 01:49:41 HALOREACHFREAK: #webos is probably a better channel, they talk about writing apps for webos using the official SDK Feb 12 01:49:58 thanks and bye Feb 12 01:50:04 HALOREACHFREAK: you're welcome Feb 12 01:54:06 that other channel isnt working Feb 12 01:55:57 seems fine to me Feb 12 01:56:01 the other channel works fine Feb 12 01:56:21 when i send a message it says cannot send message Feb 12 01:56:37 Register your nickname with nickserv Feb 12 02:22:44 hello Feb 12 02:22:56 hello Feb 12 02:23:34 Am trying to find info re "Emergency Service Enabler" Feb 12 02:23:55 preware Feb 12 02:24:44 Read description on Preware. Does ESE restore patches after WebOS Doctor? Feb 12 02:25:22 yes it should Feb 12 02:25:55 did you doctor to the same version Feb 12 02:26:31 Getting ready to doctor now to 1.3.5.1 due to App Catalog problems. Feb 12 02:26:58 doctored two weeks ago with no difficulty. Feb 12 02:27:21 what version were you running when you installed patches Feb 12 02:28:09 Seemed that ESE restore of patches is too good to be true! Been through patch reinstall before. Feb 12 02:28:13 if you doctor to that same version then ESE is good thing to reapply patches. if you doctor to a newer version, it's best to load preware and then "update all". If you doctor to a previous version you should run EPR Feb 12 02:28:34 gc916, AUPT makes patches a little less troublesome than before :D Feb 12 02:29:45 Will doctor to same version, pending 1.4. Many thanks for your help. Feb 12 02:58:58 lol clear card just copies the wallpaper Feb 12 02:59:30 and it's almost a megabyte in size :-\ **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Feb 12 02:59:56 2010