**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Feb 13 02:59:58 2010 Feb 13 03:01:03 rwhitby: if you get a sec.. can you build the rest of the packages? I just made my last few changes/package adds and i'm looking to have it doublechecked :) Feb 13 03:01:13 nn7: yeah ssh verbose mode ftw Feb 13 03:02:47 hmm.. doesn't really give an explanation Feb 13 03:03:15 trying private key /identity Feb 13 03:03:22 offering public key /id_rsa Feb 13 03:04:31 permission denied Feb 13 03:06:04 looks like the public key I posted is the right length Feb 13 03:09:50 do I need to restart the sshd service when I add a new authorized key? Feb 13 03:10:03 no Feb 13 03:10:57 I'm really lost here Feb 13 03:11:05 is there something special with the phone I need to worry about? Feb 13 03:11:12 on my pc I ran ssh-keygen Feb 13 03:11:33 check permissions on .ssh dir (700) and auth key file 600 Feb 13 03:11:37 it created an id_rsa in my ~/.ssh directory Feb 13 03:11:58 permissions look fine Feb 13 03:12:11 on pre Feb 13 03:12:18 I copied the .pub file contents and pasted it in the authorized_keys file on the phone Feb 13 03:12:47 in .ssh dir on pre? Feb 13 03:13:04 in root home dir? Feb 13 03:14:02 in /home/root/.ssh/authorized_keys Feb 13 03:14:10 and are you ssh root@pre? Feb 13 03:14:18 it's the second key, is that ok? Feb 13 03:14:21 oh.. not as root Feb 13 03:15:24 ah, thank you so much Feb 13 03:16:00 you're welcome :) Feb 13 03:18:42 nn7: now you're ready to update the wiki ;-) Feb 13 03:20:38 Preware 0.9.23 with Spanish language support is now in the testing feed. Feb 13 03:23:55 rwhitby: it updates, starts, and the changelog works :) Feb 13 03:25:35 rwhitby: everything looks good Feb 13 03:25:45 ok, two others and we release. Feb 13 03:26:13 rwhitby: works good Feb 13 03:26:16 that was a pretty lame joke Feb 13 03:26:47 zsoc: should have done a part/join, cause I don't monitor those, but I do see nick changes. Feb 13 03:27:18 rwhitby: i meant it as a joke, not to fool you :p Feb 13 03:27:49 rwhitby: albeit i can't test the language functions properly.... i assume that setting is uh... regional? Feb 13 03:28:13 zsoc: just change it in the Regional Settings app Feb 13 03:28:26 rwhitby: the second i said 'regional' i realized that lol Feb 13 03:28:32 annnnnddd luna restarts Feb 13 03:28:47 oh, that deletes your palm profile, BTW. Feb 13 03:29:09 (just kidding) Feb 13 03:29:12 rwhitby: lol, you _almost_ had me for a second. Feb 13 03:30:00 how can I tell this thing how to listen over the celluar network for ssh connections? Feb 13 03:30:30 my phone runs slower en espanol lol Feb 13 03:30:39 it's having a siesta Feb 13 03:30:50 rwhitby: excellent Feb 13 03:31:00 rwhitby: you probably don't get too many spanish people out your way eh? Feb 13 03:31:22 not as many as in .us, no. Feb 13 03:31:53 rwhitby: "Default Sort" is uh.. still in english Feb 13 03:32:00 rwhitby: everything else seems good, including translation :) Feb 13 03:32:07 zsoc: patches welcome Feb 13 03:40:43 rwhitby: does your ez-ipupdate specific a particular interface when it fires? Feb 13 03:51:36 i keep getting invalid magic errors on my 1.3.5.1 when trying to install preware and pkg mgr via quick install Feb 13 03:51:47 tried doctoring the pre, same errors after doctor Feb 13 03:52:41 zefyx: have you tried one of the other installation methods listed on the wiki page? and are you using webos quick install 2.96 or later? Feb 13 03:53:04 3.01 Feb 13 03:53:22 so webos quick install is giving you a invalid magic error? Feb 13 03:53:36 yes, any pkg (not just preware) Feb 13 03:54:07 sounds like webos quick install is broken, or your internet connection is corrupting the packages badly Feb 13 03:54:15 (more likely the latter) Feb 13 03:57:30 yeah well Feb 13 03:57:40 removing/redownloading/reinstalling nothing is working Feb 13 03:57:44 never had a problem before. Feb 13 03:58:42 zefyx: download the packages manually from ipkg.preware.org/feeds, check the md5sums, and install from a local file. Feb 13 03:58:52 or just use the preware-bootstrap script Feb 13 04:01:11 yeah, point is. EVERYTHING gives invalid magic error 22; not just preware stuff. Feb 13 04:05:38 zefyx: are you on wifi? Feb 13 04:06:18 zefyx: if so, try turning off wifi, it's probably a captive portal Feb 13 04:08:27 no wifi Feb 13 04:09:19 zefyx: try wget http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/all/org.webosinternals.preware_0.9.22_all.ipk Feb 13 04:09:24 on the pre on command line Feb 13 05:36:04 evenin all Feb 13 06:21:34 wow, kinda dead in here tonight huh Feb 13 06:22:15 well, I'm trying to work out how to stop the app catalog installs trashing the ipkg status file while Preware is doing stuff (or vice versa) Feb 13 06:25:45 rwhitby: use inotify Feb 13 06:25:55 to monitor those filse Feb 13 06:26:05 plus some locking Feb 13 06:26:10 should do the trick Feb 13 06:28:04 rwhitby: anybody mention PreWare stalling during downloading feeds? Feb 13 06:28:15 its kind of random Feb 13 06:28:44 i have it set up to update every launch Feb 13 06:29:40 after stall i can go to update feeds and it will work Feb 13 06:32:15 argh... I have somewhere a serial adapter Feb 13 06:32:32 hello all i was wondering what steps i need to take cuz i thk i profile messed and an app i brought from the App catalog will not let le redownload it as it always fail. I call palm and they seemed to be from an other planet Feb 13 06:32:43 it looks like a slot cover for the back of a computer case, has a serial port on it and a wire that connects to my motherboard Feb 13 06:32:46 and now I can't find it Feb 13 06:32:55 anyone have one they will mail me? I will pay shipping Feb 13 06:32:56 lol Feb 13 06:33:30 looks like this http://www.pccomponentes.com/fotos/cables_serie_paralelo/bracket_puerto_de_serie_rs_232.jpg Feb 13 06:34:35 ive probably had hundreds of those over the years Feb 13 06:34:51 just moved and threw away so much crap Feb 13 06:35:33 actually I should probably check if this motherboard can sue them... Feb 13 06:36:23 my TV has a serial connector on the back and I want to make a web page to be hosted locally to allow me to control it from my phone Feb 13 06:36:56 I also have a USB to Serial cable but it isn't long enough and I also can't find my USB extension cable... Feb 13 07:47:19 ok sleep Feb 13 09:27:26 Preware 0.9.23 released, with Spanish language support. Feb 13 13:48:20 heya Feb 13 13:48:56 neither webosquickinstall or webosdoctor recognize my phone anymore when i plug it in .. any ideas what to do? Feb 13 13:57:12 dev mode enabled? novacom daemon is running? Feb 13 13:57:31 oh, maybe dev mode is turned off .... Feb 13 13:57:59 let me check, because i've doctored my phone yesterday Feb 13 14:01:25 ok, it was turned off :) Feb 13 14:01:29 thanks Feb 13 14:01:53 no problem ;) Feb 13 14:02:19 sometimes the solution is very easy Feb 13 14:02:55 hehe yep Feb 13 14:09:26 anyone here? Feb 13 14:09:44 cryptk: usually Feb 13 14:09:48 zsoc, lol Feb 13 14:09:56 zsoc, you ever used mint? Feb 13 14:10:13 cryptk: not extensively Feb 13 14:10:24 ahh, I am looking to see peoples prefrence Feb 13 14:10:59 I also do alot of linux installs for people (in addition to setting up their pre's) and I was thinking of swapping the distribution I typically install from ubuntu to mint... Feb 13 14:18:09 ubuntu (especially with restricted extras) I find is very new-linux friendly if someone has half a brain Feb 13 14:32:08 so wait Feb 13 14:32:57 there is hybrid makefile magic for building/packaging +prerm/postinst for the autobuilder? Feb 13 14:33:03 where the heck have I been Feb 13 14:35:18 rwhitby: for when you awake, do I need a git repo for each package I want to build, or can I specify packages from the widk? Feb 13 14:38:55 and if so, are the dependencies build in cross-compile.git available for autobuilt packages Feb 13 14:39:06 s/build/built/ Feb 13 14:39:07 zsoc meant: and if so, are the dependencies built in cross-compile.git available for autobuilt packages Feb 13 14:39:30 zsoc: my macbook wentscrewy Feb 13 14:39:32 wont boot Feb 13 14:39:44 and the dvd driver on my acer dont burn any more Feb 13 14:39:54 so i have to gentoo livecd on the mac Feb 13 14:39:56 PuffTheMagic_: I am not a mac guy. but I'm sorry to hear that Feb 13 14:40:01 lol @ gentoo live Feb 13 14:40:07 so that i can use growisofs to burn a dvd of osx Feb 13 14:40:19 zsoc: im not a mac guy yet either Feb 13 14:40:32 i just love how many times gentoo live cd saves my ass Feb 13 14:40:37 haha that's a cool hack Feb 13 14:40:47 I agree they are convenient :p Feb 13 14:40:55 if this osx i downloaded works Feb 13 14:41:06 PuffTheMagic_: ogg wors now, sort of. Feb 13 14:41:13 s/works Feb 13 14:41:20 ha, sorta Feb 13 14:41:47 it's funny giant flac files work fine Feb 13 14:41:57 tiny ogg files take longer to load Feb 13 14:43:28 zsoc: are those things you are allowed to say here? Feb 13 14:43:57 a Pre was on CSI: NY this week Feb 13 14:44:08 not just a shot of someone using it Feb 13 14:44:14 PuffTheMagic_: huh? I hacked the support? on 1.3.5? Feb 13 14:44:21 but also a shot of the IM app Feb 13 14:44:27 zsoc: orly? Feb 13 14:44:48 PuffTheMagic_: why? is it native in 1.4 and I'm wasting my time? lol Feb 13 14:45:08 umm Feb 13 14:45:08 PuffTheMagic_: yep, loads in media player and everything Feb 13 14:45:12 i dont remember Feb 13 14:45:20 cant u look too? Feb 13 14:45:38 or did u go back to 13.5 Feb 13 14:47:33 PuffTheMagic_: I'm playing dumb :p Feb 13 15:49:16 rehi Feb 13 15:49:49 a small problem with preware .. it never completes loading the palm-catalog feed .. any ideas? Feb 13 16:10:07 swisstomcat: disable the palm at feed? Feb 13 16:10:24 it's the first start of preware, can't manage the feeds yet Feb 13 16:10:39 at least it's not showing any feeds in the preferences Feb 13 16:11:42 Anybody have a Pixi on Sprint? Feb 13 16:12:00 <- Feb 13 16:12:03 If so, could you please check to see if RadioTime is listed in the App Catalog? Feb 13 16:12:06 well not me, but here Feb 13 16:12:09 k Feb 13 16:12:47 Should be able to search for it as well as find it under Explore->Music->Radio/Broadcasts Feb 13 16:13:56 nope Feb 13 16:14:13 Son of a bitch. Feb 13 16:21:16 if i search for "moo" i can't find my app anymore Feb 13 16:49:48 how could i disable the palm feed manually? Feb 13 16:53:04 swisstomcat: change the name of the conf to .conf.disabled Feb 13 16:53:29 let me see Feb 13 16:53:39 in the preware dir? Feb 13 16:53:50 swisstomcat: it's in uh... /media/cryptofs/apps/etc/ipkg/info Feb 13 16:53:54 I believe Feb 13 16:54:03 the phone i rebooting, i'll check in a minute Feb 13 16:54:41 also, after doctoring i see no homebrew apps anymore .. what do i have to do? Feb 13 16:54:53 installed homebrew apps on the phone i mean Feb 13 16:55:59 the path is /media/cryptofs/apps/etc/ipkg Feb 13 16:58:29 http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1824 Just built a gamepad for the pre :) Feb 13 16:58:56 you've got a makerbot? Feb 13 17:00:02 a repman Feb 13 17:00:08 it's better ;) Feb 13 17:00:23 well it's not mine, it belongs to the munich ccc Feb 13 17:00:49 Now i can finally play super mario Feb 13 17:01:34 sepisultrum: how does it work? Feb 13 17:02:05 capacitive bits that push down? Feb 13 17:02:22 you just put it around the keyboard and it presses the buttons a, w, d, y, j and l Feb 13 17:02:30 ah keyboard, ok Feb 13 17:02:33 doesnt use the screen Feb 13 17:02:40 i dont get how that works Feb 13 17:02:50 oh keyboard? Feb 13 17:02:55 lol Feb 13 17:03:27 sepisultrum: I want to build a makerbot cupcake kit Feb 13 17:03:58 it's just the $750 + miscellaneous parts I have a hard time justifying Feb 13 17:04:30 we have the repman, its more precise afaik Feb 13 17:05:48 PuffTheMagic_: speaking of capacitive touchscreens, keep this in mind if it gets too cold to take your gloves off to use your touchscreen Feb 13 17:05:58 http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/11/south-korean-iphone-users-turn-to-sausages-as-a-cold-weather-me/ Feb 13 17:06:08 yeah, greakt Feb 13 17:08:14 hrmm ,now preware is hangin on the optware feed Feb 13 17:09:41 what do i have to do if i don't see installed homebrew apps after doctoring the pre? Feb 13 17:10:24 Throw away your Palm and buy an Android phone? Feb 13 17:11:05 hehe Feb 13 17:11:13 Sorry, it's the anger talking Feb 13 17:11:18 too bad i don't know java Feb 13 17:11:40 yeah, too many app store problems Feb 13 17:12:31 It always seems to hit my app. No matter what it is Feb 13 17:12:43 When our app was first added, you couldn't find it by Search Feb 13 17:13:06 a popular app Feb 13 17:13:39 And now, we've got around $100k in this deal this week riding on it and poof! It vanishes from the App Catalog. Feb 13 17:17:19 it seems that my problems are from wifi not working ... hrmm Feb 13 17:18:21 yep .. dang Feb 13 17:28:11 sepisultrum: at current exchange rates RapMan is ~$1250 USD (a lot more than cupcake) Feb 13 17:28:23 looks awesome though Feb 13 17:46:16 destinal: unfortunately there is no free build chain for the pic32 Feb 13 17:55:16 sepisultrum: ah, ok. reprap, cupcake etc are avr based I believe and have full source code (one more reason) Feb 13 18:15:43 * acydlord_alt yawns Feb 13 18:16:05 as an FYI to whomever, I just doctored and used the .exe to install peware from get.preware.org Feb 13 18:16:31 showed the preware and package manager icons, but apparently PMS wasnt installed. reinstalled using WOQI and all is well Feb 13 18:16:53 I did my girlfriend's pixi first, and that worked without issue, so not sure what happened there Feb 13 18:54:15 PMS? do we actually have a package named that? Feb 13 18:59:25 destinal: no, we call it ipkgservice Feb 13 19:03:15 ah, ok Feb 13 19:11:51 has someone an idea why I can't take screenshots from some sdl apps on the palm? If I use palm's builtin screenshot function it results in an empty image. I also tried the tool "fbshot" (crosscompiled for the palm) which can take screenshots directly from the framebuffer - with the same result. any ideas what is the cause of this? Feb 13 19:17:54 there is only one cli tool that can do it Feb 13 19:23:52 sepisultrum: saw your controller thing on thingiverse, but it's called "Untitled" Feb 13 19:28:20 debilater, are you trying to screenshot GL apps? Feb 13 19:42:13 jacques: an sdl app yes Feb 13 19:42:27 jacques: the app itself doesn't have capture capbabilities Feb 13 19:43:37 debilater, but is the SDL app using a SWSURFACE or OPENGLES ? Feb 13 19:44:28 jacques: i don't know, but I don't think it's using opengles that dependency was not required during build Feb 13 19:46:19 debilater, oh, OK. SWSURFACE should work. Feb 13 19:46:41 @destinal - PMS -> Package Manager Service Feb 13 19:47:55 jacques: but it doesn't, I get empty png's. even if I try fbshot - nothing Feb 13 19:52:43 AnOutsider: ipkgservice Feb 13 19:54:49 tomato, tomahto. IN WOQI and in preware, it's called "Package manager Service" Feb 13 19:59:51 you say tomato, and I say tomato, you say potato, and I was potato. tomato, tomato, potato, potato... Feb 13 20:04:25 s/tomato/potato/ Feb 13 20:04:26 zsoc meant: you say potato, and I say tomato, you say potato, and I was potato. tomato, tomato, potato, potato... Feb 13 20:04:41 s/potato/WHE/ Feb 13 20:04:41 zsoc meant: you say tomato, and I say tomato, you say WHE, and I was potato. tomato, tomato, potato, potato... Feb 13 20:05:00 s/potato/WHE/g Feb 13 20:05:02 zsoc meant: you say tomato, and I say tomato, you say WHE, and I was WHE. tomato, tomato, WHE, WHE... Feb 13 20:05:19 * zsoc pets infobot Feb 13 20:09:24 s/WHE/lol/g Feb 13 20:09:26 aw Feb 13 20:09:31 s/aw/lol/ Feb 13 20:09:31 Kvisle meant: lol Feb 13 20:09:36 \o/ Feb 13 20:17:55 Kvisle: I'm so out of it lol Feb 13 20:22:54 hi! can I run jme applications in my pre? Feb 13 20:24:25 AnOutsider: good point. really bad acronym collision :P Feb 13 20:25:25 lol @zsoc Feb 13 20:25:34 and destinal, the way it was acting, I think PMS fit quite nicely Feb 13 20:26:22 AnOutsider: ipkgservice Feb 13 20:26:34 :) Feb 13 20:26:40 IPKGSERVICE Feb 13 20:26:43 :D Feb 13 20:26:50 keep telling yourself that Feb 13 20:27:26 AnOutsider: ipkg... service. Feb 13 20:27:28 ahem Feb 13 20:29:59 woo lag Feb 13 20:30:28 haha Feb 13 20:31:25 sam adams noble pils time Feb 13 20:32:53 alex___: there's a java runtime on the pre but it's for service stuff, no GUI, etc Feb 13 20:33:16 ewww pre java Feb 13 20:33:18 java guis.. yuk Feb 13 20:33:29 should be banned on the pre Feb 13 20:33:31 PuffTheMagic_: do you get New Belgium brews in New York? Feb 13 20:33:31 lol puff Feb 13 20:33:42 destinal: not this part :( Feb 13 20:33:47 destinal: i dont anything that has the world belgium in it Feb 13 20:34:35 Fat Tire is the main one. Feb 13 20:34:40 it's a Colorado Brewery, mostly known for Fat Tire, and real belgian style stuff like a Tripel and Abbey and so on. They just came out with an IPA called Ranger, which is pretty good Feb 13 20:35:02 i will keep an eye out for it Feb 13 20:35:27 new york beer stores are pretty extensive Feb 13 20:35:47 Colorado is still the beer wonderland of the states :) Feb 13 20:36:10 haha ok Feb 13 20:36:12 Hi everyone, do people here have experience with openvpn on the palm pre? I'm having trouble getting it to work. Feb 13 20:36:18 destinal: no way then to do it? :_( perhaps installing the old emulator, and running the jme from it? Feb 13 20:36:43 i wonder what palmpreopenvpn is using Feb 13 20:36:45 alex___: yeah, if PalmOS supported it you could run classic Feb 13 20:37:13 port it to webos Feb 13 20:37:45 I used the preware install to run openvpn Feb 13 20:38:17 Is there a good compatible Java JRE that's open source yet? Feb 13 20:38:27 yeah Feb 13 20:38:30 iced tea Feb 13 20:39:31 its default on ubuntu and fedora these days i beleive Feb 13 20:39:52 Is the webos-internals version different from the preware install verison? Feb 13 20:42:23 I thought the app install limit was fixed in 1.3.5? Feb 13 20:42:49 or "removed' I should say Feb 13 20:43:20 apps install on media/internal now Feb 13 20:43:25 ya Feb 13 20:43:48 oddly enough, I doctored to 1.3.5 and now I'm getting the app install errors. weirdness Feb 13 20:44:26 I'll let it do the OTA 1.3.5.1 and see if it fixes itself Feb 13 20:44:44 AnOutsider: what version were you running pre-doctor? Feb 13 20:44:56 A version not 1.3.5 Feb 13 20:45:15 then I bet your cryptofs has failed Feb 13 20:45:33 oh nooooes Feb 13 20:46:09 if you don't mind losing your current apps directory tree you can rm -rf /media/internal/.palm and reboot Feb 13 20:46:44 what do you mean by the tree? Feb 13 20:46:50 meaning have to reinstall apps? Feb 13 20:46:54 like anything that used to be under cryptofs Feb 13 20:47:06 you can also rename .palm to something else Feb 13 20:47:22 basically I'm willing to bet your system has failed to mount /media/internal/.palm as /media/cryptofs Feb 13 20:47:23 might try it after this update, 1.3.5.1 finally started downloading Feb 13 20:47:33 so /media/cryptofs is just a regular directory now on root Feb 13 20:47:39 and thus root is filling up Feb 13 20:47:45 makes sene Feb 13 20:47:48 sense too Feb 13 20:55:01 Another question - has anyone had a problem with novaterm giving an error stating arithmetic operation resulted in an overflow every time you type something into the terminal? Feb 13 20:55:21 never seen that Feb 13 20:55:47 I did Feb 13 20:56:03 was a pain in the ass, I ended up using the tty: interface Feb 13 20:56:05 It appears that the commands still work, but it is a pain Feb 13 20:56:14 yep, drove me mad Feb 13 20:56:28 how did tty: interface help you? Feb 13 20:57:45 one sec, I'll dig up my logs Feb 13 20:58:00 open a cmd in the directory Feb 13 20:58:02 then run "novacom -t open tty://" Feb 13 21:01:19 is novacom an executable file? Feb 13 21:01:44 it should Feb 13 21:02:02 yep, in the SDK directory if you have that installed Feb 13 21:02:48 I have a novacomd.exe Feb 13 21:03:11 exe's Feb 13 21:03:12 eww Feb 13 21:03:15 eek Feb 13 21:03:16 :) Feb 13 21:03:56 what would the world be like with out windows Feb 13 21:04:15 dark :) Feb 13 21:04:35 i think it would be quite nice Feb 13 21:05:15 OK. thanks for your help. I'll dig around. maybe I need to reinstall the SDK Feb 13 21:06:01 well if those binaries arent in your path then u cant just run them like "novacom ...." Feb 13 21:07:33 yes, that's right. I don't have an executable novacom, so I have to figure that out. Feb 13 21:09:00 If you have any insight on that, let me know. I apologize for my ignorance and don't want to be too much of a bother. Feb 13 21:09:20 let me check my windows machine Feb 13 21:09:27 if i can find it :) Feb 13 21:09:50 Thanks! Feb 13 21:11:54 found it Feb 13 21:12:11 palm\sdk\bin\novacom\novacom.exe Feb 13 21:12:30 program files(x86) Feb 13 21:12:36 on a 64bit machine Feb 13 21:13:13 yup Feb 13 21:31:50 morning Feb 13 21:31:58 morning Feb 13 21:32:06 morning Feb 13 21:32:16 morning rwhitby Feb 13 21:32:51 rwhitby: sunday morning for you? Feb 13 21:34:02 yep Feb 13 21:34:04 anyone seen http://deanm.github.com/pre3d/ ? Feb 13 21:35:16 over my head but it looks interesting Feb 13 21:35:45 yeah, saw it today Feb 13 21:37:32 argh. it keeps locking up my firefox Feb 13 21:39:11 So, there's a new 0.9.24 version of Preware in the testing feed which locks out Preware installs, updates and removes if there is an App Catalog installation underway. Anyone want to test it? Feb 13 21:46:32 test it how? I already installed it Feb 13 21:47:25 jacques: start a big app catalog install (e.g. Survivor app) Feb 13 21:47:37 then try and install or remove something in Preware at the same time Feb 13 21:50:32 I can't install the survivor app on principle. Feb 13 21:52:36 wikihow then Feb 13 21:52:42 This is interesting: http://youjf.com/justinput/ Feb 13 21:55:30 Anyone know how to solve this? http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/225334-patch-sms-im-vibrate-extension-3.html#post2218655 Feb 13 21:55:59 I cant think of any reason why that would be Feb 13 21:56:57 rwhitby, Error app catalog installation in progress, try again later Feb 13 22:01:12 jacques, are you talking about a bug in the newest preware? I was getting ready to update it Feb 13 22:01:36 cryptk, no, I think that's intended behavior Feb 13 22:05:19 jacques: yep, that's what it's meant to do. Feb 13 22:05:43 seems to work :-) Feb 13 22:06:30 I'm sure oil can make the error message much more sexy. Feb 13 22:15:18 sup rod Feb 13 22:28:44 rwhitby: I'd need another build Makefile: build/fishfillets.git and app repository. it's a sdl game, current pkg is here: http://www.daemon.de/idisk/palmpre/org.webosinternals.fishfillets-0.9.2-arm7.ipk Feb 13 22:42:31 rwhitby: i need you Feb 13 22:44:13 JayCanuck: so I keep getting disconnected from gtalk :p Feb 13 22:44:45 lol Feb 13 22:46:19 JayCanuck: I'm not sure how I feel about xvid. I don't want it to seem like I'm supporting piracy. Feb 13 22:46:29 lol Feb 13 22:46:42 it's by many ligitimate videos too Feb 13 22:46:51 *used by Feb 13 22:46:56 JayCanuck: Yeah, you're right. That was silly of me. Feb 13 22:47:01 Sometimes I think it's just _viewed_ that way Feb 13 22:47:25 it's a valid divx alternative, heh Feb 13 22:47:27 ok.. what to do first.. Feb 13 22:47:31 divx is now the devil, hehe Feb 13 22:47:37 unless ya wanna pay all those divx licensing fees ;) Feb 13 22:47:48 JayCanuck: I guess I shouldn't bother with avi ext until i have xvid support Feb 13 22:48:05 xvid works on divx you said right? Feb 13 22:48:31 not sure honestly, they're very similar Feb 13 22:49:37 they're both MPEG-4 Part 2 Advanced Simple Profile Feb 13 22:50:23 hm... Feb 13 22:50:35 so maybe i don't need a special decoder? Feb 13 22:50:40 that might just be the _encoder_ Feb 13 22:50:44 * zsoc is no video guru Feb 13 22:51:21 "Since Xvid uses MPEG-4 Advanced Simple Profile (ASP) compression, any video that is encoded with it is termed "MPEG-4 ASP video" - not "Xvid video" - and can therefore be decoded with all MPEG-4 ASP compliant decoders. This includes a large number of media players and decoders, in particular all the ones based on the free/open source libavcodec library from FFmpeg" Feb 13 22:51:52 I _think_ webos' mpeg decoder is based on libavcodec Feb 13 22:51:58 there's only 1 way to find out if it'll work Feb 13 22:52:08 JayCanuck: got a few mins? i'll patch the fileindexer now... Feb 13 22:52:19 lol, k Feb 13 22:56:04 and then uh.. i'll bsdiff it i guess and send the patch Feb 13 22:58:15 JayCanuck: also i haven't actually _tested_ this Feb 13 22:58:17 oh Feb 13 22:58:19 btw Feb 13 22:58:22 "xvid and divx5 are both mpeg-4 compliant, therefore they can both play each other " Feb 13 22:58:30 cool Feb 13 23:01:23 zsoc: what are you working on? Feb 13 23:02:12 debilater: filetype support. flac works. ogg works mostly. Jason is testing avi for me now Feb 13 23:02:53 filetype support for what? Feb 13 23:03:01 debilater: music player / video player Feb 13 23:03:52 the remix one? Feb 13 23:03:57 debilater: .... no Feb 13 23:04:06 debilater: I mean additional filetype support in the existing stock music and video players Feb 13 23:04:16 ah I see :) Feb 13 23:04:43 I ported another game, works like a charm :) Feb 13 23:05:20 debilater: which? Feb 13 23:05:24 debilater: and which was the last one? Feb 13 23:06:09 fishfillet Feb 13 23:06:32 cool :) Feb 13 23:06:35 it's really sweet Feb 13 23:06:41 ~debilater Feb 13 23:06:52 hmph Feb 13 23:42:13 zsoc: did you have to add any plugins for xvid/divx or is the mpeg4 support already on the device good enough? Feb 13 23:42:30 destinal: so far it doesn't work at all, either way Feb 13 23:42:39 ah Feb 13 23:42:50 destinal: i have reason to believe that with a small typefindfunctions patch, it will work, but i can't get fileindexer to play with avi Feb 13 23:43:06 destinal: so basically you'd have to launch from internalZ or similar Feb 13 23:44:30 I've managed to avoid installing that so far Feb 13 23:44:49 destinal: then i need an opensource fileindexer or a better hack than the one i'm using now for ogg/flac Feb 13 23:45:17 zsoc: is the latter documented anywhere? I'm a total fileindexer n00b Feb 13 23:45:32 destinal: not much to document, it's a binary hack... strings/vim away :p Feb 13 23:45:39 destinal: /usr/bin/fileindexer :p Feb 13 23:48:31 sure, but what did you change, from what to what etc Feb 13 23:49:22 destinal: it's complicated sort of. it took a lot of trial and error. some of it makes no sense Feb 13 23:49:26 destinal: and it loves to segfault Feb 13 23:49:37 MPB is the audio format that plays the best with i've found Feb 13 23:49:52 and no one uses it/knows what it is so it works out Feb 13 23:51:09 oh so that's the one you changed to something else? Feb 13 23:51:15 destinal: yeah Feb 13 23:51:30 destinal: at one point i had it working as a 'gateway' for multiple format adds, with a 00 in between them Feb 13 23:56:31 zsoc: well, in theory you should be able to INSERT as many of those as you want if you can repoint the rest of the machine code around your adds :) Feb 13 23:56:46 destinal: that's the fun part :p Feb 13 23:56:48 but I agree we need an FOSS version Feb 13 23:56:50 destinal: anyone, works great for audio formats Feb 13 23:56:59 destinal: video formats, not so much... Feb 13 23:57:12 why's that, I wonder Feb 14 00:04:15 zsoc: why don't you just port mplayer? it runs on directfb with sdl and plays almost anything Feb 14 00:09:01 debilater: palm has done a lot of work already with the dsp stuff theoretically and gstreamer, that it would be nice to use Feb 14 00:10:51 hello all Feb 14 00:20:35 debilater: it's likely mplayer would run slow Feb 14 00:21:34 JayCanuck: ping Feb 14 00:21:43 you rang? Feb 14 00:22:15 yes Feb 14 00:25:50 zsoc: ok Feb 14 00:26:02 debilater: i mean it's an option Feb 14 00:26:19 debilater: but existing interfaces exist/are supported/are familiar to people Feb 14 00:28:22 zsoc: that's clear. and what about this: write your own fileindexer service, patch the media player to use this one instead of palms? Feb 14 00:29:04 zsoc: what if you worked with blubble? Feb 14 00:29:12 I don't know if he'd be into that... just a thought Feb 14 00:29:15 i wonder why there is a microap-assistant.js in /media/internal Feb 14 00:29:58 debilater: yes, it's doable, just this way is still easier if i get it to work ;) Feb 14 00:30:20 zsoc: IF :) Feb 14 00:30:58 well so far i have gotten each thing i tried to work, avi is my first roadblock Feb 14 00:31:03 and i have not run out of ideas Feb 14 00:32:46 zsoc: cool Feb 14 00:33:19 * zsoc is stubborn Feb 14 00:39:44 [16:31] ==israel8a [~629a9bc0@gateway/web/freenode/x-zhyzhizzwicxyqe] has joined #webos-internals Feb 14 00:58:23 Hey, I build the sdlvideosink plugin by accident lol Feb 14 00:58:30 s/build/built Feb 14 01:16:17 zsoc: lol Feb 14 01:17:58 destinal: if nothing else, i'm adding every popular media package to the widk lol Feb 14 01:23:29 you know, I hate reinventing the wheel as much as the next guy, but CDK is kinda crap to work with in many ways Feb 14 01:25:34 CDK ? Feb 14 01:26:40 curses ? Feb 14 01:26:50 mmhmm Feb 14 01:27:13 yeah, i've never done much with curses but it doesn't look too fun Feb 14 01:27:55 what are you doing textwise that needs curses ? Feb 14 01:28:53 I wanted to combine something like less with regex filtering on the fly Feb 14 01:29:11 curses itself is fine, but it involves a lot of work for interfaces. CDK was supposed to help with that Feb 14 01:31:02 that sounds like a useful utility Feb 14 01:31:29 Maybe I can do a vim plugin Feb 14 01:31:37 chrisa: you would be the winner Feb 14 01:31:52 It mostly works, but I hate the interface I have for it Feb 14 01:33:35 sounds good enough for open source Feb 14 01:33:37 :P Feb 14 01:48:25 a winnar is you Feb 14 01:51:18 howdy travis Feb 14 01:58:07 ITS AN OFFICE PARTY Feb 14 01:58:12 * zsoc <-- is funny Feb 14 02:00:13 i hate when you find a bug on friday after you've shipped equipment somewhere .. and are flying out on monday so no way to even test over the weekend :( Feb 14 02:13:24 Anybody know the Pixi OS version number? Feb 14 02:13:54 1.3.8? Feb 14 02:15:11 .8? When the heck did that come out Feb 14 02:15:54 I could be wrong, maybe it's 1.3.5 Feb 14 02:16:05 Yeah, 1.3.5(.1) Feb 14 02:18:06 These App Catalog problems are killing me Feb 14 02:27:36 so i have a configure check that is failing miserably in the widk, but which shouldn't be failing Feb 14 02:27:47 what app caatalog problem Feb 14 02:34:52 entity-: Apps not being available in certain markets even though they are marked as available for those markets Feb 14 02:46:48 /j webos Feb 14 02:46:50 err Feb 14 02:50:26 Anyone able to alpha test preware and ipkgservice using the preware-bootstrap script? Feb 14 02:50:56 0.9.24 of Preware (protects against clobbering by app catalog installs) and 0.9.35 of ipkgservice (adds Palm update feeds) Feb 14 02:53:32 rwhitby: I installed it, but haven't had a chance to test it Feb 14 02:54:44 reality9110: to test, just install something big (like survivor) and try a preware install at the same time Feb 14 02:55:09 for ipkgservice test, just install it and enable and disable the palm-* and palm-*-updates feeds to make sure they are all ok Feb 14 02:55:24 rwhitby: Can't right now, man. I'm troubleshooting an issue with Palm. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Feb 14 02:59:57 2010