**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Feb 15 02:59:57 2010 Feb 15 03:09:39 tlp, it doesnt keep the orientation info in the metadata for the image? Feb 15 05:06:11 :/ Feb 15 05:06:26 what ails you oil? Feb 15 05:06:40 installed windows 7 Feb 15 05:06:56 apparently the software for my keyboard isn't supported Feb 15 05:08:45 im liking windows 7 overall though Feb 15 05:09:41 * rwhitby bbl Feb 15 05:10:33 hmmm...if preware shows a package manager service update AND preware update will it install in correct order if I hit "update all"? Feb 15 05:10:50 it should* Feb 15 05:11:15 what about if there are other apps as well? Feb 15 05:11:39 it should* do them last Feb 15 05:12:19 might as well give it a shot to try it out Feb 15 05:12:25 its written to do that, but i don't know how many times its actually been tested Feb 15 05:12:36 testing Feb 15 05:16:03 seems to have worked. although it showed downloading/updating package manager service before gdialpro(then preware) Feb 15 05:16:35 Not sure if it matters Feb 15 05:16:47 as long as the service is before preware Feb 15 05:17:29 preware still working, nice Feb 15 05:18:54 hmmmm that's odd. Preware not showing drpodder installed Feb 15 05:26:43 oh it's there but in unknown Feb 15 05:26:47 hmmm Feb 15 06:04:32 oil you still up? Feb 15 06:05:06 ~seen rwhitby Feb 15 06:05:08 rwhitby is currently on #webos-internals (2d 2h 26m 45s) #oe (2d 2h 26m 45s) #nslu2-linux (2d 2h 26m 45s). Has said a total of 67 messages. Is idling for 58m 43s, last said: 'what ails you oil?'. Feb 15 06:15:20 yeah, im still here Feb 15 06:18:13 hey guys i know this question prolly comes up often Feb 15 06:18:16 im not tech savvy Feb 15 06:18:24 i got a pre from a friend and just wanna use it for wifi Feb 15 06:18:28 but its on activation Feb 15 06:18:32 and i can't create a profile Feb 15 06:18:37 any easy way to get around this? Feb 15 06:20:07 anyone? Feb 15 06:21:08 wait for it... Feb 15 06:21:38 wait for it? Feb 15 06:22:47 can't use phone radio? meta-doctor Feb 15 06:23:10 well i dont wanna use the phone at all, just to bypass the activation profile Feb 15 06:23:18 so i can use it on wifi and thats it Feb 15 06:23:30 some of the steps are insanely difficult and im not versed in linux Feb 15 06:24:51 but can you use the phone radio/evdo? Feb 15 06:25:08 the phones currently shows full bars of service Feb 15 06:25:16 and says sprint in the top corner Feb 15 06:25:31 other than that im just stuck on the palm profile and when i try to make a profile it says it needs cellular data Feb 15 06:26:23 meta doctor seems like the direction i need to go in Feb 15 06:26:40 however i dont have linux and am not comfortable in using it Feb 15 06:27:12 ka6sox: heh Feb 15 06:27:37 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor Feb 15 06:27:52 i am on that page now kyu Feb 15 06:27:55 you don't have to use linux Feb 15 06:28:05 cgywin Feb 15 06:28:12 right Feb 15 06:28:20 is it complex from that point on? Feb 15 06:28:23 with the linux commands Feb 15 06:28:24 ? Feb 15 06:28:39 mostly copy and paste Feb 15 06:29:33 well ive installed cgywin Feb 15 06:29:44 and in the wiki it asks me to install 4 other packages Feb 15 06:30:07 yeah in the install menus Feb 15 06:30:23 did it not ask you to select packages to install? Feb 15 06:30:51 yeah ima still quickly here one moment Feb 15 06:32:29 installing python Feb 15 06:32:50 still haven't seen make, git, or patch on the list.. Feb 15 06:35:13 rick-home: what's up? Feb 15 06:36:14 ok this isn't going well Feb 15 06:36:28 there isn't a simple loader? Feb 15 06:36:36 to just bypass it kind of like an iphone? Feb 15 06:37:39 newpreowner: no, the problem is we can't legally redistribute Palm copyright files, so the end user needs to make the customisations themselves. Feb 15 06:38:06 ic rwhitby, well im def trying, but my lack of linux knowledge doesn't help Feb 15 06:38:14 any "easy" methods lol Feb 15 06:38:25 that can run on win Feb 15 06:38:34 Jason Robitaille is working on such a thing. Feb 15 06:38:55 just run Ubuntu 9.10 in a virtualbox virtual machine and use that Feb 15 06:39:06 yeah i came across his blog, but the last update was july 09 lol Feb 15 06:39:35 i almost thought about even contact sprint, activating a line, bypass activation, then cancel my line lol Feb 15 06:39:45 but that is a lot of work and a lot can go wrong also lol Feb 15 06:40:16 lemme try a cygwin install on my windows box and see if I can find the packages Feb 15 06:40:30 ty kyu Feb 15 06:40:49 the python package just kept downloading a ton of stuff which i think was completely incorrect Feb 15 06:42:49 So, do we have any other people who've tested Preware 0.9.25 from the alpha testing feed? New preference option to only show free apps. Feb 15 06:43:00 Need two more testers to release. Feb 15 06:43:54 I downloaded it but haven't tested the options, updated fine with update all Feb 15 06:44:02 rwhitby: let me try it Feb 15 06:44:44 lol if itll help me get past activation ill help Feb 15 06:44:54 it won't Feb 15 06:46:27 lol Feb 15 06:46:35 when you did the install Feb 15 06:46:45 rwhitby: ive tested it 3 or 4 different configs if that helps Feb 15 06:46:49 what view did you use for package listing Feb 15 06:47:05 hmm it was just the basic view for all Feb 15 06:47:10 with the addition signs Feb 15 06:48:08 want me to uninstall and start fresh? Feb 15 06:49:23 kyu, should i install all python packages? Feb 15 06:49:33 no Feb 15 06:49:58 you probably only need the core devel stuff Feb 15 06:50:19 switch to view Full Feb 15 06:50:22 lol care to walk me through this? to help me complete the process? Feb 15 06:50:24 if you try reinstalling Feb 15 06:50:28 rwhitby: does this mean I have to re-enable palm catalog feed to test? Feb 15 06:50:50 its full view now, and i also hid obsolete pkgs Feb 15 06:51:07 rwhitby, seems to work ok for me Feb 15 06:51:09 jacques: you should be able to test w/ palm beta Feb 15 06:51:20 sslow_: thanks Feb 15 06:51:25 I already have that enabled Feb 15 06:51:50 newpreowner, now just install the packages that match the name, don't bother with anything that sort of matches Feb 15 06:52:32 ok one sec lol Feb 15 06:52:45 jacques: did the paid apps dissapear? Feb 15 06:52:49 I'm gonna try this myself Feb 15 06:54:10 sslow_: not sure - I see 34 apps in palm beta, but turning off "only free apps" I still see 34 Feb 15 06:55:15 hmm got make patch and git selected Feb 15 06:55:22 however dunnno which one for python Feb 15 06:55:27 i dont see one for core Feb 15 06:55:46 jacques: 34 for me as well! Feb 15 06:55:46 jacques: did you update the feed after you turned on the option? Feb 15 06:56:13 I noticed that the feed needs to be updated for the no pay app option to take affect Feb 15 06:56:36 newpreowner, it should just say python: Feb 15 06:56:42 with a descript Feb 15 06:56:46 about 9megs Feb 15 06:56:55 ok downloading now Feb 15 06:56:58 Kyusaku: nope, I will try updating the feeds Feb 15 06:57:02 all four pkgs hopefully lol Feb 15 06:58:13 so preware displayed 741 available packages before. I killed and restarted it, and it displays 713 Feb 15 06:58:29 alrighty kyu, finished lol Feb 15 06:58:47 that tells me it doesn't require updating the feeds - it's some internal update thing in preware Feb 15 06:58:57 it happens on loading Feb 15 06:59:06 my desktop has setup, setup log. full, and http folder..i see no icon to launch cyg Feb 15 06:59:35 Preware 0.9.25 released Feb 15 07:00:50 jacques: w/ on palm beta 34 palm web 74...w/off 34/103 Feb 15 07:01:32 sslow_: it also tells me palm beta feed isn't good for testing this :-) Feb 15 07:01:55 this is riduculous, the wiki is insufficient Feb 15 07:02:11 rwhitby: I presume there's no easy way to make the counts change without reloading the feeds ? Feb 15 07:02:14 i can follow directions but hell, without supporting information this is useless Feb 15 07:02:23 jacques: yeah i m sorry i meant to say palm web Feb 15 07:02:37 very late here / very tired Feb 15 07:02:41 newpreowner: I'm going through this give me a few minutes Feb 15 07:02:47 sslow_: np :-D Feb 15 07:02:58 thanks kyu Feb 15 07:03:02 sorry to be a bother lol Feb 15 07:04:04 jacques: we could force a reload. there's no easy way to get the info back after it's been ignored on the load, and storing it for that rare occasion would be a waste of memory. Feb 15 07:04:51 newpreowner, some of the linux instructions are redundant in the case of cygwin Feb 15 07:05:13 yeah but my cygwin install is done, i see no laucher for it Feb 15 07:05:26 just a folder, and two setup documents lol Feb 15 07:06:02 rwhitby: just make two lists? :-) Feb 15 07:06:04 testing w/ the palm app catalog takes forever...lol Feb 15 07:06:24 sslow_: yep, that's why I wanted to avoid that if possible Feb 15 07:06:39 jacques: again, two lists would waste memory :-) Feb 15 07:06:43 so what is the palm web feed anyway? some interesting apps in tehre Feb 15 07:06:55 i got nothing better to do lol Feb 15 07:07:03 jacques: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1844 Feb 15 07:08:03 newpreowner, there should be a cygwin folder in start>programs Feb 15 07:08:09 rwhitby: thanks for the link Feb 15 07:08:14 which should give you bash command line Feb 15 07:08:48 rwhitby: so make a list of free and a list of paid ... bear in mind I suspects this is some limitation of the API you are fighting Feb 15 07:09:01 nada lol Feb 15 07:09:09 then you installed it wrong Feb 15 07:09:12 i looked there hoping it would be there Feb 15 07:09:16 because I just installed it on my box Feb 15 07:09:16 oh man lol dam Feb 15 07:09:19 and it's there Feb 15 07:09:36 welp lemme try again Feb 15 07:09:39 I used all default options in the install as well except for the packages part Feb 15 07:09:49 what version of Windows? Feb 15 07:09:53 I'm running Win7 Feb 15 07:10:00 yes win 7 Feb 15 07:10:15 you could just run the cygwin.bat Feb 15 07:10:22 in the installed cygwin folder Feb 15 07:10:37 jacques: I could make separate free and paid feeds, but then you'd need to update feeds anyway. Feb 15 07:11:26 so updating feeds "creates" the lists which the app displays? Feb 15 07:11:27 installing again Feb 15 07:11:44 ok... Feb 15 07:11:51 some guy wanted to charge me 75 Feb 15 07:11:52 to do it Feb 15 07:11:56 it would be nice if we didnt have to update feeds especially if the app cat feed is on Feb 15 07:11:58 jacques: update downloads packages files from the internet. then those packages files are loaded into the app. as they are loaded, paid apps are elided. Feb 15 07:11:58 and said it would take 3 hours? Feb 15 07:11:59 you cannot have two lists and either display one or display both merged on the fly ? Feb 15 07:12:13 ridiculous Feb 15 07:12:34 lol at that rate i should just buy a used ipod touch Feb 15 07:12:37 but i got the pre free lol Feb 15 07:12:44 just my friend wiped all his stuff Feb 15 07:12:50 * jacques wants a free pre. Feb 15 07:12:51 and its square one for activation Feb 15 07:13:46 jacques: the use case for this option is really for people who never want to see paid apps. if you just want to sort by price, then just sort by price. Feb 15 07:14:01 rwhitby: so the palm web feed is apps which are distributed over the web and need not be accepted by palm for the app catalog ? Feb 15 07:14:08 jacques: yep Feb 15 07:14:25 alrighty kyu Feb 15 07:14:27 i got it Feb 15 07:14:33 icon now popped up on cygwin Feb 15 07:14:35 rwhitby: so can we put preware on there ? Feb 15 07:14:59 jacques: self-certification of content rules, automated checking of non-official APIs and com.palm namespace. Feb 15 07:15:36 so you cannot put anything on the web feed which is not acceptable in the catalog. Feb 15 07:15:53 oh OK Feb 15 07:16:02 im skipping to step 6 Feb 15 07:16:11 since ive installed all pkgs Feb 15 07:16:21 so i guess i need novacom? Feb 15 07:16:26 hold on Feb 15 07:16:32 ok Feb 15 07:16:53 newpreowner, you need to do step 3 Feb 15 07:17:00 ok one sec Feb 15 07:17:04 rwhitby: so sometimein the next couple of days I need to outline the SCALE lightning talk - 5 minutes / 20 slides Feb 15 07:17:39 awesome Feb 15 07:17:57 k kyu done Feb 15 07:17:59 im out night all Feb 15 07:18:08 `night sslow_ Feb 15 07:18:15 newpreowner, then do step 7 and 8 Feb 15 07:18:15 jacques: let's brainstorm slide by slide: Feb 15 07:18:18 1) Title Feb 15 07:18:27 no need for step 6? Feb 15 07:18:28 rwhitby: that would be great! Feb 15 07:18:31 2) Introduction to webOS devices Feb 15 07:18:39 3) Introduction to webOS architecture Feb 15 07:18:42 newpreowner, for now I don't see a reason for it Feb 15 07:18:48 4) Introduction to webOS Internals project Feb 15 07:18:54 ok doing 7 and 8 Feb 15 07:19:16 newpreowner, 7 and 8 can be done in the same window you just did step 3 Feb 15 07:19:26 ok Feb 15 07:19:29 explain what about webos makes it easy / possible to do live patching Feb 15 07:19:29 8 is done Feb 15 07:19:41 I noticed that cygwin don't do wget for some reason Feb 15 07:19:45 though i typed it and it just send me back to meta doctor line didnt seem like something happened Feb 15 07:19:45 5) The problem: how to share modifications to the OS without infringing copyright Feb 15 07:19:57 newpreowner, that's how it works Feb 15 07:19:59 anyways Feb 15 07:20:03 lol k Feb 15 07:20:03 6) Patch to the rescue Feb 15 07:20:11 :-) Feb 15 07:20:20 7) Hmm - OTA updates Feb 15 07:20:59 ill wait for your recommened steps Feb 15 07:21:04 8) Auto Patch Technology, automated install and deinstall Feb 15 07:21:07 btw the pre is plugged in through usb Feb 15 07:21:12 9) Removing everything for each OTA update sucks Feb 15 07:21:19 10) AUPT to the rescue Feb 15 07:21:20 newpreowner, since wget isn't a required package in cygwin(I'll note this in wiki later) you can just download it manually and copy it to that downloads folder in windows Feb 15 07:21:35 half-way there already! Feb 15 07:21:49 so complete 9 or no? Feb 15 07:21:59 11) Detailed AUPT technology backgrounder Feb 15 07:22:05 it should be in the main cygwin folder/home/(someusername/meta-doctor/downloads Feb 15 07:22:17 12) Front-end submission form Feb 15 07:22:33 13) Automated (with human review) submission process Feb 15 07:22:45 ok so ill skip 9 then? Feb 15 07:22:55 i dont believe i have the file Feb 15 07:22:57 14) & 15) Some examples of the most popular patches Feb 15 07:22:58 newpreowner, go to the webos doctor versions page and get the 1.3.5.1 doctor for your pre(I guess sprint right) Feb 15 07:23:15 16) Demo Feb 15 07:23:27 17) Other WebOS Internals awesomeness Feb 15 07:23:29 yes ok one sec Feb 15 07:23:48 18) Where to get more info Feb 15 07:23:49 rwhitby: fantastic Feb 15 07:23:52 19) Donations address Feb 15 07:23:56 20) End Feb 15 07:24:12 jacques: that do? Feb 15 07:24:13 yikes big one, 207 mb Feb 15 07:24:23 downloading now Feb 15 07:24:28 rwhitby: lol that's excellent Feb 15 07:24:28 3 mins to completion Feb 15 07:24:50 rwhitby: "12) Front-end submission form" is dBsooner's thing ? Feb 15 07:25:00 jacques: patches.webos-internals.org Feb 15 07:25:39 which folder should i put this in after download? Feb 15 07:25:41 newpreowner, isn't the iphone OS image like much bigger? Feb 15 07:25:44 im in the cygwin folder now Feb 15 07:25:59 it should be in the main cygwin folder/home/(someusername/meta-doctor/downloads Feb 15 07:26:00 hmm well on the iphone its roughly the same size Feb 15 07:26:13 I must be comparing to SDK then Feb 15 07:27:23 rwhitby: I'm thinking for reasons of time and technical level of all the other upscale talks, I'll need to tailor it to a less technical audience than I would like Feb 15 07:27:36 http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale8x/special-events/upscale-talks Feb 15 07:27:40 iphones jailbreak process 10 sec program so its insane to think palms need all of this Feb 15 07:27:58 almost donen dl Feb 15 07:28:17 newpreowner: yep, it's insane. maybe the iphone guys can write a better one for us ... Feb 15 07:28:27 newpreowner: jailbreaking has been around for about 2 years? Feb 15 07:28:39 webos has been out for only 8 months Feb 15 07:28:45 hmm been around the full 3.5 years the iphone has been out Feb 15 07:28:50 well, except for maybe "IPV6: The light at the end of the tunnel" Feb 15 07:28:50 and tools are slowly in the works Feb 15 07:29:06 yeah that is true, i agree with the time line to progress ratio Feb 15 07:29:25 Kyusaku: well, the main difference is that meta-doctor does things in a way which does not violate any copyright or subvert any encryption. Feb 15 07:29:33 alrighty dl complete, placed in downloads folder Feb 15 07:29:49 rwhitby, I understand that I have no idea how iphone jailbreaking works Feb 15 07:30:06 never owned an iphone Feb 15 07:30:25 proceed with steps kyu? or still another step to the dl Feb 15 07:30:36 if you want Feb 15 07:30:40 rename the jar Feb 15 07:30:50 to? Feb 15 07:31:03 it's a personal choice Feb 15 07:31:11 not something you have to do Feb 15 07:31:20 look at step 10 description Feb 15 07:31:26 k one sec Feb 15 07:32:27 newpreowner, then open Makefile with Wordpad(notepad won't parse the line breaks and cygwin doesn't have gedit) Feb 15 07:32:39 ok renamed, just added 1.3.5.1.jar to the end Feb 15 07:32:49 Makefile will be the meta-doctor folder Feb 15 07:32:55 ok one sec Feb 15 07:32:57 one level up from downloads Feb 15 07:34:27 hmm not finding it Feb 15 07:34:37 rwhitby: what's the best place for me to read about AUPT ? Feb 15 07:34:43 did a search Feb 15 07:34:48 within cygwin Feb 15 07:34:53 none titled makefile Feb 15 07:34:56 what does your meta doctor folder have Feb 15 07:35:06 found it Feb 15 07:35:19 it is open now Feb 15 07:35:22 ok Feb 15 07:35:31 tons of mumbo jumbo Feb 15 07:35:32 scroll down till you see a list of items that = 1 Feb 15 07:35:52 you're gonna have to "uncomment" some of those Feb 15 07:36:01 ok scrolling Feb 15 07:36:27 to uncomment the bypass activation Feb 15 07:36:34 am i removing the #? Feb 15 07:36:53 yes you can also uncomment several other options Feb 15 07:37:09 newpreowner: yes removing the # activates the option Feb 15 07:37:15 like enable_firstuse_wifi, in case you want to make a palm profile later Feb 15 07:37:31 hmm for my desired feature i believe bypass activation and wifi is what i want? Feb 15 07:37:33 jacques: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Auto-Update_Patch_Technology Feb 15 07:37:53 oops, I didn't know there was a wiki page :-\ Feb 15 07:38:09 newpreowner, also make first use visible Feb 15 07:38:24 ok so 3 options right now uncommented Feb 15 07:38:26 the first 3 Feb 15 07:38:37 lol someone just tried to steal my facebook password Feb 15 07:38:42 like rightnow Feb 15 07:38:54 jacques: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=blob;f=autopatch/postinst and http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=blob;f=autopatch/prerm are the source Feb 15 07:39:05 any others recommended? Feb 15 07:39:12 newpreowner, that should be it Feb 15 07:39:12 the idiot is still trying --- fourth reset request in a minute Feb 15 07:39:26 ok saving file Feb 15 07:39:27 newpreowner, anything else isn't very necessary for you Feb 15 07:39:35 rwhitby: great info Feb 15 07:39:47 ok saved now, exit document? Feb 15 07:39:52 xcomp: anything you can do about it? Feb 15 07:40:02 yep Feb 15 07:40:17 ok done, moving on lol Feb 15 07:40:23 jacques: no ... all I can do is smh at the emails as they come in Feb 15 07:40:53 i still have cygwin up btw Feb 15 07:41:04 jacques: i guess it doesn't help that I was an early gmail adopter and as such my email address is my first name @gmail.com Feb 15 07:41:08 xcomp: that sucks Feb 15 07:41:15 newpreowner, do step 3 in "Running Meta-Doctor" Feb 15 07:41:21 about ppl trying to steal your account I mean Feb 15 07:41:36 make sure you are in meta-doctor directory in cygwin Feb 15 07:41:43 ok one sec doing the spring one, yep still there Feb 15 07:41:47 it should show ~/meta-doctor Feb 15 07:42:20 says please download correct version of webosdoctor.jar file Feb 15 07:42:33 and move it to downloads that was just created Feb 15 07:42:38 error 1? Feb 15 07:42:50 hold Feb 15 07:42:54 k Feb 15 07:43:05 lemme know if you want me to type the entire text Feb 15 07:43:19 i ommited some Feb 15 07:44:13 yeah one sec Feb 15 07:44:27 I know what the problem is Feb 15 07:44:37 but you're gonna run into another problem Feb 15 07:44:49 lol Feb 15 07:44:53 gimme a sec to test a solution to problem 2 Feb 15 07:44:58 yessir Feb 15 07:45:13 because problem 1 is just renaming the file to what it suggests Feb 15 07:45:23 ic Feb 15 07:46:17 its funny cause my file is named exactly what it has Feb 15 07:46:34 just try copy and pasting that worked for me Feb 15 07:46:47 ok one sec Feb 15 07:46:59 I have to figure out how to install packages from cygwin command shell if that's possible Feb 15 07:47:45 did the same, nothing changed as far as file name Feb 15 07:47:54 so ill wait on ur command Feb 15 07:48:06 is it in the downloads folder inside meta-doctor? Feb 15 07:48:26 yes it is Feb 15 07:48:43 in cygwin Feb 15 07:48:48 do cd downloads Feb 15 07:48:51 and then type ls Feb 15 07:48:58 c/p me what it says Feb 15 07:49:11 ok one sec Feb 15 07:49:38 welp in cygwin i typed cd downloads Feb 15 07:49:45 just type 1s? Feb 15 07:49:49 those two characters? Feb 15 07:49:53 ls Feb 15 07:49:53 jacques: now the idiot is trying my work email Feb 15 07:49:58 not number 1 Feb 15 07:50:02 l as in larry Feb 15 07:50:02 oh lol Feb 15 07:50:24 it says webosdoctorp100ewwsprint-1.3.5.1.jar.jar Feb 15 07:50:27 jar is twice Feb 15 07:50:40 yeah that's bad Feb 15 07:50:43 go fix it Feb 15 07:50:46 :P Feb 15 07:50:46 lol deleted one jar Feb 15 07:51:09 anyone know how to install packages in cygwin post install? Feb 15 07:51:19 try meta doctor step 3 again? Feb 15 07:51:22 no Feb 15 07:51:27 give me a few Feb 15 07:51:27 ok lol ill wait Feb 15 07:51:41 I need to figure out how to get the unzip package installed in cygwin Feb 15 07:52:08 ok Feb 15 07:52:32 oh, man, I wonder how many other people following the cygwin instructions are baffled by windows hiding filename extensions ... Feb 15 07:53:02 newpreowner, give me a few minutes trying something Feb 15 07:53:07 ok kyu Feb 15 07:53:31 and rwhitby, i was just following the wiki verbatum so if it has a step i will process as told lol Feb 15 07:54:01 xcomp: sounds very frustrating :-| Feb 15 07:54:05 rwhitby, I'll update some of the wiki when I get done with this Feb 15 07:54:44 Kyusaku: thx Feb 15 07:55:40 jacques: well, I just hope he doesn't end up causing facebook to lock out my account or something Feb 15 07:55:48 rwhitby, some of the linux commands are redundant or don't work in cygwin and unzip isn't a default package in cygwin Feb 15 07:55:48 otherwise he's wasting his time Feb 15 07:56:16 it's actually rather amusing Feb 15 07:56:39 oh and zip isn't there either, nice Feb 15 07:59:32 rwhitby, this is odd, the jar that meta-doctor built is like 57 megs. Is that normal? Feb 15 08:00:26 hmmmm Feb 15 08:00:29 this is odd Feb 15 08:01:13 lol Feb 15 08:01:21 Kyusaku: it should be roughly the same size as the original Feb 15 08:02:13 the previous make screwed up the second build Feb 15 08:02:17 running again Feb 15 08:03:14 ok that seems more like it worked Feb 15 08:03:27 lemme verify the log Feb 15 08:06:02 newpreowner, just give me a few more mins verify the building works Feb 15 08:06:09 ok np Feb 15 08:06:31 ok Feb 15 08:06:33 so Feb 15 08:07:08 you're gonna need to run the cygwin installer again(don't delete the cygwin install you're basically gonna install over it) Feb 15 08:07:19 and you need 2 packages Feb 15 08:07:25 zip Feb 15 08:07:29 and unzip Feb 15 08:07:37 oh man lol, ok doing it now one moment Feb 15 08:08:58 ok its added zip and unzip Feb 15 08:09:25 ok Feb 15 08:09:40 at the prompt in cyg now Feb 15 08:09:45 now do the running meta-doctor step 3 Feb 15 08:10:17 i typed gedit makefile Feb 15 08:10:21 says command not found Feb 15 08:10:35 no Feb 15 08:10:37 step 3 Feb 15 08:10:44 or #3 Feb 15 08:10:46 whatever Feb 15 08:10:51 skip gedit Feb 15 08:10:56 do the make stuff Feb 15 08:11:02 ic lol one sec Feb 15 08:11:09 do i need to navigate to a folder? Feb 15 08:11:14 or just type straight up in cyg Feb 15 08:11:27 cause in cyg its on just my computer name Feb 15 08:11:30 not a particular folder Feb 15 08:11:43 in meta-doctor folder Feb 15 08:12:00 what command to direct it to that folder? Feb 15 08:12:09 cd meta-doctor? Feb 15 08:12:27 yes Feb 15 08:12:47 wow lucky guess, did the make, now its doing something funky Feb 15 08:12:49 lol Feb 15 08:13:04 crazy mumbo jump on the screen Feb 15 08:13:19 did you do the make with sprint in it? Feb 15 08:13:25 yeah just leave it Feb 15 08:13:32 yeah sprint is in it Feb 15 08:13:35 it should only take like a couple minutes Feb 15 08:13:44 now while its doing this, i had a question about the pre being connected Feb 15 08:13:56 a few hours ago i tried to homebrew it thinking that was the answer Feb 15 08:14:18 and the homebrew prog didn't see my phone, so is that cause for concern? cause win7 says my device is fine Feb 15 08:14:25 okk process is done i guess Feb 15 08:14:34 it completed i think Feb 15 08:14:52 your phone isn't in developer mode Feb 15 08:14:58 ic Feb 15 08:15:01 anyways Feb 15 08:15:44 in windows check the meta-doctor directory for a build directory Feb 15 08:16:22 ok i see it Feb 15 08:16:43 go into build Feb 15 08:16:51 ok Feb 15 08:16:55 that is a pre folder Feb 15 08:16:59 and im now inside that folder Feb 15 08:17:00 what's up guys Feb 15 08:17:00 go in that Feb 15 08:17:15 wanna know the size of the jar file? Feb 15 08:17:16 do you see a 200meg file? Feb 15 08:17:20 yes its 212 mbs Feb 15 08:17:27 good Feb 15 08:17:40 you have Java 1.6 installed? Feb 15 08:17:47 yes i believe so Feb 15 08:17:57 ok then run that 200meg file Feb 15 08:18:12 ok it pulled up palm web os Feb 15 08:18:14 I found a bug in new preware...I THINK...... Feb 15 08:18:30 go through the steps Feb 15 08:18:39 ok do i need to do anything with the phone? Feb 15 08:18:47 and let me know when you get to the connect your phone Feb 15 08:18:53 ok one sec Feb 15 08:19:01 its installing novacomd Feb 15 08:19:05 that's good Feb 15 08:19:54 still installing novacomd Feb 15 08:20:03 when having app catalog feed turned off and the new option for" free apps only "off also I am getting some xplane apps in preware and I am pretty sure they are from app catalog feed Feb 15 08:21:08 you can change the view to see what feed it's coming from Feb 15 08:21:10 still going, it should take this long? Feb 15 08:21:18 it might be from the update feed Feb 15 08:21:31 ok kyu done Feb 15 08:21:32 newpreowner, sometimes? Feb 15 08:21:36 its connect time Feb 15 08:21:39 yea it's saying palm catalog but I have it "off" Feb 15 08:21:59 when did you turn catalog off Feb 15 08:22:11 newpre: turn off your pre Feb 15 08:22:21 it's been off since we got option Feb 15 08:22:25 k one sec Feb 15 08:22:27 newpreowner, turn off your pre, you know how to do that? Feb 15 08:22:56 lol yeah got that step down, its off now Feb 15 08:23:04 I updated feeds twice just to make sure Feb 15 08:23:24 newpreowner, hold down the up volume button Feb 15 08:23:37 k Feb 15 08:23:44 newpreowner, while holding it down, press the power button Feb 15 08:23:49 imma turn off update feed and try again just to be sure Feb 15 08:24:10 usb sign on screen Feb 15 08:24:15 still holding Feb 15 08:24:15 newpreowner, it should load your pre into a special USB mode with USB icon on the screen Feb 15 08:24:16 lol Feb 15 08:24:25 you can let go of up vol Feb 15 08:24:37 ok let go and yes usb on screen Feb 15 08:24:49 newpreowner, now hook pre up to PC Feb 15 08:24:55 ok got it Feb 15 08:25:14 is it allowing you to continue Feb 15 08:25:24 yes, want me to hit next? Feb 15 08:25:27 yes Feb 15 08:25:33 that should start the doctor Feb 15 08:25:36 ok its doing its thing Feb 15 08:25:40 ok Feb 15 08:25:44 6 percent and counting Feb 15 08:25:51 it'll take a bit Feb 15 08:25:57 like 10-15mins Feb 15 08:26:09 ok will give u status update ever few mins Feb 15 08:26:10 and might hold on certain percents Feb 15 08:26:27 especially 66% Feb 15 08:26:45 lol of course the devils number would scare us all Feb 15 08:26:46 ok now to check this catalog thing jmyadagod is talking about Feb 15 08:26:55 kyusaku when you look at preware apps and go into feed view do you see app catalog update or is it just listed as app catalog? Feb 15 08:27:58 Kyusaku: it's the update feed.......but why isn't it specified "palm catalog update " in feeds view? Feb 15 08:28:06 I see Feb 15 08:28:32 yeah Feb 15 08:29:14 it's something with preware, it truncates that second hyphen and anything after that in the feed title Feb 15 08:29:24 what's the update feed suppossed to be for....apps you have installed? Feb 15 08:29:33 I dunno if that's working as intended for rwhitby Feb 15 08:29:40 but it's been like that for ages Feb 15 08:29:47 not specific to this version Feb 15 08:29:50 oic Feb 15 08:30:34 it's 15th ....update today? Feb 15 08:31:07 I forget the specifics with that particular update feed but I believe it was for developers to get app updates to the catalog quicker than usual Feb 15 08:31:31 o ok Feb 15 08:31:33 jmyadagod, maybe, precentral twitter said there might be a delay Feb 15 08:31:54 * jmyadagod heads to twitter lol Feb 15 08:31:54 54% Feb 15 08:32:04 newpreowner, good so far Feb 15 08:32:09 ty Feb 15 08:32:32 new pre owner and doctoring already? Feb 15 08:32:57 jmyadagod, he's a non-service owner Feb 15 08:33:11 I just walked him through meta-doctor building Feb 15 08:33:17 via cygwin Feb 15 08:33:18 ooooo Feb 15 08:33:45 on the dreaded 66% Feb 15 08:34:17 haha after that it usually goes to either 84% I think or straight to 100%, but it's on there for a bit Feb 15 08:34:25 damn it I wish sprint would get a new palm phone I am itching to use my upgrade!!! Feb 15 08:34:29 it's 80something Feb 15 08:34:38 cool Feb 15 08:35:58 74% now Feb 15 08:36:04 I have upgrade credit too. If I could get an upgraded pre for free I might do it Feb 15 08:36:40 I wish it was like sim cards where you could just swap phones too, I would get a pixi to try it out if you could have 2 phones on an account. Feb 15 08:37:13 no pixi for me but 512 mb pre I would use upgrade for Feb 15 08:37:50 its done kyu Feb 15 08:38:07 if htc "supersonic "comes out before next sprint palm device I'll probably get that Feb 15 08:38:20 newpreowner, cool it should reboot your phone Feb 15 08:38:30 but if its supersonic how will you hear phonecalls Feb 15 08:38:31 yep, rebooting now Feb 15 08:38:56 to late I guess for me to laugh Feb 15 08:39:03 almost 4am here Feb 15 08:40:02 kyu it started up to home screen Feb 15 08:40:07 it worked perfectly? Feb 15 08:40:22 newpreowner, yep Feb 15 08:40:26 you're all set Feb 15 08:40:40 oh man, ty so much lol, saved me 75 bucks Feb 15 08:40:42 imma work on the wiki now Feb 15 08:40:44 so what's that for bad esn phones??? Feb 15 08:40:52 sorry to be a bother! Feb 15 08:41:10 newpreowner, no big, you helped build a better wiki Feb 15 08:41:24 jmyadagod, what, the meta doctor? Feb 15 08:41:47 I guess.. whatever process you just had him go thru? Feb 15 08:42:17 lol phew! welp i appreciate being the guinea pig lol Feb 15 08:42:25 take care kyu!!! Feb 15 08:42:44 bad esn, out of the country, whatever reason you can't get cell coverage and are stuck with palm profile setup Feb 15 08:42:50 newpreowner, you too Feb 15 09:09:55 ok made some changes to the meta-doctor wiki about cygwin instructions Feb 15 09:10:20 and updated the package list to work with the linux instructions Feb 15 10:36:51 Kyusaku: thx Feb 15 11:15:43 Interesting: Moblin and Maemo merge: http://meego.com/ Feb 15 11:18:51 Hmm, very interesting Feb 15 11:25:59 -> #meego Feb 15 11:27:02 /w/w 3 Feb 15 11:27:06 yikes Feb 15 11:27:06 rwhitby: wtf. so will it be rpm or deb? :) Feb 15 11:27:32 raster: seems rpm based on discussion just happening in #meego Feb 15 11:28:08 well that screwes maemo nicely Feb 15 11:28:48 unless this is mroe of an umbrella thing to just ensure everyone has the same set of base libs and same versions etc. Feb 15 11:29:17 also not aure how moblin +gtk & clutter ppl like the: Feb 15 11:29:23 Easy to use, flexible and powerful UI/app development environment based on Qt Feb 15 11:31:00 http://meego.com/sites/all/files/users/u6/MeeGo-Arch-FullSize.png Feb 15 11:31:08 oooh openedhand must be seething Feb 15 11:31:20 look at how its being squeeze into a corner Feb 15 11:31:25 ready to disappear Feb 15 11:31:25 :) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Feb 15 12:02:31 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Feb 15 12:02:51 2010 Feb 15 13:18:02 need advice- remember yesterday someone said i had a harware problem- well im gonna take it back to the shop today but if i erase my data they wont be able to access the phone to test it Feb 15 13:18:09 but i dont want them having my palm profile Feb 15 13:18:38 i bought it from a 3rd party shop not official i have 1 yr warranty Feb 15 13:23:14 iSmite: so they should try out their own ... Feb 15 13:23:36 or create their own profile Feb 15 13:36:18 the damn thing just started working again. its intermittent if i get all the way down there and it works they wont exchange it. typical. Feb 15 13:48:48 im still getting it play 2 sounds over the top of each other for notifications though Feb 15 14:59:20 booo zunephone is announced :( Feb 15 14:59:35 I was hoping it'd never exist so I wouldn't want one >.> Feb 15 15:07:31 lol Feb 15 15:09:27 yeah, I came over from winmo, looks like they might actually have a decent product again with 7... be interesting to see if they actually follow through Feb 15 15:32:32 considering how zune is integrated in it, you can pretty much assume it'll be nigh-impossible to crack open and run homebrew software on it Feb 15 15:32:44 so that's a downside Feb 15 16:01:23 i dont know if i can trust microsoft with phones anymore after the sidekick incident Feb 15 16:02:00 or palm with the corrupted contacts db issue ? Feb 15 16:03:01 i never had my contacts in my palm profile since I actually took the time to read the eula where it mentioned about using your contacts somewhere else because the palm profile wasnt explicitly designed to store contacts Feb 15 16:04:09 but it was a pretty big fail losing people's palm profiles if they last updated from a newer version of webos and had to revert to an older version Feb 15 16:05:53 * oil keeps his contacts local Feb 15 16:07:20 my contacts are backed up nightly via rsync Feb 15 16:07:53 I'm not sure I have any custom contacts that aren't on google or facebook :-/ Feb 15 16:08:11 they also are stored on google till i can find a new cloud service to use since i have lost the moducum of trust i had in google Feb 15 17:58:20 ok, someone has to say it. MeeGo is a stupid name. (maemo sounded much cooler) Feb 15 17:58:33 * Mousey agrees Feb 15 17:59:38 meego sounds like something a 2 year old would say Feb 15 17:59:46 tarzan Feb 15 17:59:51 http://img.skitch.com/20100215-d1367ubk6e1w6eba7p5fxddjrk.png Feb 15 17:59:55 sad, i know Feb 15 18:00:04 is more like proof intel feels like they can't compete Feb 15 18:00:35 iSmite: damn, i totally LOL'd Feb 15 18:01:27 even a modicum of lol will justify the 10 seconds it took me to make that Feb 15 18:01:51 that was f'in great Feb 15 18:02:32 * Mousey tries -again- to load preawre Feb 15 18:02:34 preware, even Feb 15 18:04:55 well, hopefully we can get more competition against android, especially anything with a fairly standard userland and standard kernel with changes being pushed upstream in a compatible way that everyone can use Feb 15 18:05:47 it'd be nice to be able to put webOS on other phones/tablets Feb 15 18:06:08 that's android's true strength.. Feb 15 18:06:08 WebOSpad Feb 15 18:06:25 Steno, by Palm Feb 15 18:06:26 ^_6 Feb 15 18:06:30 augh, my eye!!! Feb 15 18:12:05 hi guys... do you know a app thats similar then ActiveCard Feb 15 18:15:04 pYr0x nope Feb 15 18:15:16 one more question... Feb 15 18:15:28 do you have installed that app? Feb 15 18:16:12 pYr0x when you say similar to activecard what are you wanting? Feb 15 18:16:37 i have a problem with this app Feb 15 18:16:45 if i locked the screen Feb 15 18:17:04 the set_interval for refreshing the time wont work Feb 15 18:20:38 Mousey: you should be able to put some kind of webos on x86 tablets based on emulator build Feb 15 18:21:00 and obviously some ARM ones Feb 15 18:26:28 guys... have someone the same problem with the app called ActiveCard. When i locked the screen the clock will not refresh in this time Feb 15 18:28:24 activecard has had a lot of problems since he started. You really need to post this request in the forums on precentral on that app's thread Feb 15 18:30:05 yes... but the question i want to know is: i set a time interval, and after i locked the screen the interval will not work Feb 15 18:35:24 morning Feb 15 18:44:01 morning Feb 15 18:44:16 egaudet or oil, I have a preware question. Feb 15 18:45:03 morning Feb 15 18:45:36 morning ? Feb 15 18:45:45 I have two apps which exist in both the app catalog and in precentral's feeds. Both of them say that there is an update, but they do not update. I haven't checked versioning between the app cat and precentral, but do we have any kind of "multiple feed conflict resolution" in preware at this point? Feb 15 18:47:02 Anyone have a good how to on getting the mobile hotspot up and running Feb 15 18:47:06 Darkmagister "IRC Chat time - is defined as it being "morning" wherever you are, whenever you wake up and log into IRC" the term "Morning" is time-zone independent. Feb 15 18:47:24 CTLAdvance there's a walk-through on precentral Feb 15 18:49:09 Rick_work: oooooo ok :D Feb 15 18:50:58 Is that what we are mainly using seeing as mytether is 15 cold? Feb 15 18:51:19 MyTether was unstable for me in the past so I stopped using it Feb 15 18:52:36 Rick_work, I'm not sure the status of feed conflict. I believe devs are recommended to use different package id's when going to app catalog. Feb 15 18:55:35 hello Feb 15 18:58:08 Rick_work: UGT (universal greeting time) Feb 15 18:58:28 I have a problem with preware Feb 15 18:58:39 when someone enters = morning, when someone leaves = night :P Feb 15 19:00:52 when I try to install new apps I get the following message: App Catalog installation in progress, please try again later. Feb 15 19:01:19 Any page about how to solve it? Feb 15 19:01:55 Thanks Feb 15 19:03:06 I believe that it happened first time after I executed sh "preware-bootstrap" Feb 15 19:05:10 I think we have a problem here Feb 15 19:06:19 Might have to bump all AUPT patches Feb 15 19:06:43 anyone else ever have trouble getting email login settings to save? I keep changing my account username, but it reverts... Feb 15 19:07:13 I do a back gesture, says prefernces are updated, but then it's back to what it was when I check. Feb 15 19:09:43 looks like you have to change both incoming/outgoing or something... that worked. Feb 15 19:12:03 well any ideas about "app catalog installation in progress" in preware? Feb 15 19:12:44 is app catalog open? Feb 15 19:13:20 no Feb 15 19:13:35 Only preware is launched Feb 15 19:13:53 did you try resetting and/or reopening preware Feb 15 19:13:57 I reboot pre, Feb 15 19:14:49 I can install apps from app catalog, but not from preware Feb 15 19:15:21 I have preware 0.9.24 Feb 15 19:15:56 when did you run the bootstrap? Feb 15 19:16:18 saturday morning Feb 15 19:17:01 I've tried to run it again Feb 15 19:17:07 can you do it again because there should be a newer version available Feb 15 19:17:15 ok Feb 15 19:17:16 as of this morning Feb 15 19:19:37 i'm installing it Feb 15 19:20:39 me too Feb 15 19:20:41 egaudet: You've got mail :) Feb 15 19:20:50 just to test if I get same problem Feb 15 19:23:03 i've got the same :( Feb 15 19:23:45 wow, re meego, when two *companies* decide that two distributions should merge without first figuring out first whether the open source communities behind them agree, the results may be ugly Feb 15 19:24:50 the difference between OSS projects and in-house-developed products Feb 15 19:26:09 is possible that package database to be corrupted? Feb 15 19:26:22 hmmm my preware install disappeared Feb 15 19:29:19 Does anyone know if we have a patch that allows ics for us devices? Feb 15 19:29:26 don't have preware now? Feb 15 19:29:51 yeah rebooting and gonna try running the script again Feb 15 19:30:16 SqyArc, link me to the .patch file. This is a drag-and-drop QI patch right?\ Feb 15 19:30:28 i've got preware 0.9.25 now, but my problem persists Feb 15 19:31:51 Anyone know if we can get internet connection sharring running? Feb 15 19:32:16 this is really odd preware just won't install now for me. I'll have to try via webOS QI Feb 15 19:33:07 me too, kyusaku, perphaps that solve it Feb 15 19:33:41 egaudet: Correct, let me find the source file... Feb 15 19:34:11 Ah actually Feb 15 19:34:17 CTLAdvance: the bridge device is available so you should be able to do so Feb 15 19:34:19 ->pm Feb 15 19:37:39 capape: no I mean the bootstrap script says it installs preware but it doesn't appear on my device, different issue than yours Feb 15 19:41:03 yes, i'm triying to remove and install it Feb 15 19:44:21 airmack would that need to be done via console? Feb 15 19:45:55 not sure if there is an app for that Feb 15 19:46:00 so i guess yes Feb 15 19:46:56 if you are using opensshd you could also use it as an socks-proxy Feb 15 19:47:25 ok thanks for the tip, ill take a look at it in a moment Feb 15 20:03:49 after remove and install preware my problem persists Feb 15 20:09:08 might have to wait for rwhitby then Feb 15 20:09:39 he knows the app best and might know what's causing the issue Feb 15 20:11:15 Ey!! Feb 15 20:11:23 I can install!! Feb 15 20:12:16 yay! Feb 15 20:12:24 * Mousey clicks to only show free apps Feb 15 20:12:29 *yeah* Feb 15 20:13:38 I don't know how I solved it, I think the preware reinstall with WOQI Feb 15 20:16:09 whats the difference between ultramix and megamix?! Feb 15 20:16:12 thanks, kyusaku Feb 15 20:18:01 Megamix ha a phone menu ultramix has just a data menu Feb 15 20:18:18 ah Feb 15 20:18:21 * Mousey sticks with megamix Feb 15 20:18:35 yeah same here Feb 15 20:18:37 * Mousey awits hypermix Feb 15 20:18:39 ^_^ Feb 15 20:18:47 ubermix Feb 15 20:18:55 mondomix! Feb 15 20:18:58 well AUPT has a completely hideous flaw :( Feb 15 20:19:08 egaudet: oh? Feb 15 20:19:38 every patch believes it has been changed by OTA on removal so removing patches doesn't actually unapply them :eek: Feb 15 20:19:48 >_> Feb 15 20:20:41 egaudet: ah, so the fix to the earlier problem had a bug which made things much worse instead Feb 15 20:20:51 Mousey, Also the Ultramix was not made by Jason R Feb 15 20:21:22 yea this bug apparently has been in AUPT since the get go Feb 15 20:21:52 egaudet: but wouldn't installing then removing a patch be a standard test case kind of thing? Feb 15 20:21:57 Pretty bad of me to miss such an obvious test case like this Feb 15 20:22:09 oh, ugh Feb 15 20:22:12 heya Feb 15 20:22:16 ping rwhitby Feb 15 20:22:50 a little early for rod, might have to wait Feb 15 20:23:01 the install logic that says "oh already applied, ok let it go through" masks the bug Feb 15 20:23:26 I never did a mass-removal and then md5sums check which I should have, I only did mass install, mass update and EPR :( Feb 15 20:23:31 egaudet: you figure out a fix for it? Feb 15 20:23:34 yea Feb 15 20:23:49 i'll wait Feb 15 20:24:11 jabber client anyone? Feb 15 20:24:16 the biggest problem was using a different macro name. orig_palm_md5sum was recorded and then I checked the md5sums against palm_orig_md5sum Feb 15 20:24:45 the 2nd flaw was when the package_list file doesn't exist the required md5sums list isn't generated on install. Feb 15 20:25:24 I'm rebuilding and testing now, and then I'll have to create an emergency file verification package so that all files can be verified as stock or if modified, touched by the correct aupt version Feb 15 20:26:09 Mousey: internal messanger Feb 15 20:26:30 hucksy: no supporty for (multiple) jabber accounts Feb 15 20:26:36 ergo FAIL Feb 15 20:26:43 sure Feb 15 20:26:49 gregs messanger plugins Feb 15 20:26:55 works great Feb 15 20:26:59 wait Feb 15 20:27:00 wat? Feb 15 20:27:07 mom Feb 15 20:27:26 http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/205914-messaging-plugins-live-yahoo-icq.html Feb 15 20:27:38 live/yahoo/icq no jabber? Feb 15 20:27:44 * Mousey clicks, and rtfa's Feb 15 20:28:04 yes, jabber support Feb 15 20:29:02 * Mousey hugs hucksy a little too intimately Feb 15 20:29:06 *GLEE* Feb 15 20:29:09 ;) Feb 15 20:29:12 * Mousey installs with vigor Feb 15 20:29:14 and vim Feb 15 20:29:20 since vi doesn't have enough features Feb 15 20:30:09 egaudet: Sorry bout that, bet you had a quiet evening planned :P Feb 15 20:30:33 Mousey: you must copy the servert-cert to your pre Feb 15 20:31:01 fortunately I'm off today and nothing to do so I have time to fix it Feb 15 20:31:48 hucksy: thanks for the tip Feb 15 20:31:51 you are my new favorite Feb 15 20:31:52 ^_^ Feb 15 20:32:03 *smile* Feb 15 20:32:29 hucksy: do the new messaging plugins integrate with contacts, synergy, etc now? Feb 15 20:33:06 hucksy: also, why doesn't greg come here any more? Feb 15 20:33:43 haha that just gave me a funny idea Feb 15 20:34:09 synergy2.sourceforge.net on the pre Feb 15 20:34:12 over an stunnel Feb 15 20:35:06 destinal-home: no problems hier, jabber contacts are working great - there are issues with other IM's-contacts i think Feb 15 20:35:15 f other IMs Feb 15 20:35:17 ^_^ Feb 15 20:35:36 hucksy: well that's probably because the pre ships with a jabber client :) Feb 15 20:35:47 * Mousey calls BS Feb 15 20:35:59 hucksy: they call it google talk Feb 15 20:36:10 and don't wave your googlie hard coded libpidgin at me Feb 15 20:36:13 stunted is stunted Feb 15 20:36:13 hucksy: there's just a hard coded if address contains gmail.com Feb 15 20:36:20 yep Feb 15 20:36:23 that sucks Feb 15 20:36:27 dBsooner, ping Feb 15 20:36:31 communism, thats what it is Feb 15 20:36:33 soooooo Feb 15 20:36:39 hehe Feb 15 20:36:43 yeah+ Feb 15 20:36:43 Mousey: well it's libpurple-adapter but yeah Feb 15 20:36:43 any chance this would ever become a preware-available patch? Feb 15 20:36:49 destinal-home: same diff Feb 15 20:37:00 it's a major system change Feb 15 20:37:06 Mousey: yep Feb 15 20:37:06 that'd be one crazy patch Feb 15 20:37:08 so? Feb 15 20:37:16 thats the plan Feb 15 20:37:30 * Mousey tries to hide his growing erection Feb 15 20:37:35 :D Feb 15 20:37:50 actually you are right destinal-home, this bug wouldn't have shown before the last "fix" Feb 15 20:37:57 Rodent! Feb 15 20:38:00 ? Feb 15 20:38:07 Mousey: well it's not a patch, it's a patch and a service. you could use patch depends on service Feb 15 20:38:20 so a service, and a patch then? &_& Feb 15 20:38:22 ^_^ Feb 15 20:38:25 stupid fingers Feb 15 20:38:41 I have no idea why it wasn't already being maintained in git here and on the webos-internals feed Feb 15 20:39:10 wtf is with the busted zip files Feb 15 20:39:27 hucksy: does greg not like us anymore? :) Feb 15 20:40:45 daaaaaaaaang Feb 15 20:40:48 destinal-home: i dont know, i only send him 2 or 3 PM's with some bugsreports depending on the jabberplugin ;) Feb 15 20:40:49 enough ipks there buddy? Feb 15 20:43:36 hucksy: it would be cool if it greg wanted to collabarate on this stuff, I think the community has more to offer than just bug reports Feb 15 20:44:13 thats true Feb 15 20:45:35 does anybody know where i can get ncurses-5.2-r5 ? Feb 15 20:47:36 destinal-home: with the next bugreport, i will ask him ;) Feb 15 20:47:51 ah ok found it Feb 15 20:48:00 no 1.4 for US customers yet? Feb 15 20:49:01 nope Feb 15 20:49:17 * psykoz shrugs, "I didn't really believe the 'leaked' photos of 1.4 coming out today." Feb 15 20:49:35 but I haven't seen updates go up this early Feb 15 20:49:45 Considering most of the version updates have usually been towards the end of the week and at least once during the weekend Feb 15 20:49:49 what time is it? Feb 15 20:49:52 latest rumores say pushed back at least a week. Feb 15 20:50:25 I've seen the updates hit noon CST which fits along the lines of them arriving at work at 9am and then talking about whether to push or not and pushing at 10am (noon cst) Feb 15 20:50:41 3:50PM eastern, 12:50PM Pacific Feb 15 20:50:51 mhkay Feb 15 20:50:53 So they've been earlier than this before Feb 15 20:51:21 I've normally seen them after 6PM Eastern Feb 15 20:53:56 after 6PM here too, in 2-3 weeks ;) Feb 15 20:59:55 I'm shocked people actually believed that rumor Feb 15 21:00:29 there's hardly anything to back it up, is there? Feb 15 21:02:08 This is the only evidence: http://www.precentral.net/webos-14-land-feb-15th Feb 15 21:02:10 hardly proof though Feb 15 21:02:36 We've also seen sprint publically announce a webOS upgrade available and the date they stated was early by a few days Feb 15 21:02:51 So even if anyone says it's coming besides Palm at any date, well, it's to not be trusted ;) Feb 15 21:03:32 godamnit it worked all day now i cant make calls again..this is intermittent, if i take it back odds is they will test it and it will work Feb 15 21:04:01 lol Feb 15 21:04:49 have the leaked update dates ever been accurate? Feb 15 21:05:07 ive been pressing refresh since this morning, i don't think its gonna happen Feb 15 21:05:10 take the leaked date, add a week and a half, and that's generally when I expect it :-p Feb 15 21:06:01 meanwhile i have a £250 brick i cant make calls from Feb 15 21:06:31 hm Feb 15 21:06:43 iSmite: It's bricked, but it won't be once 1.4 arrives? Feb 15 21:06:44 skype? Feb 15 21:06:46 *run* Feb 15 21:06:56 its an intermittent brick Feb 15 21:07:06 i was going to take it back today but it started working again Feb 15 21:07:07 iSmite: have you tried taking it to them before? Feb 15 21:07:13 no, see above Feb 15 21:07:28 just take it back and explain the situation Feb 15 21:07:39 maybe you'll get a nice rep Feb 15 21:07:47 that would help you out Feb 15 21:07:53 yeah but if they test it and it works...no i bought it 3rd party 12 month warranty Feb 15 21:08:13 do you have sprint insurance? Feb 15 21:08:21 lol no im in uk anyway Feb 15 21:08:25 oh Feb 15 21:08:28 you're uk Feb 15 21:08:31 my mistake Feb 15 21:08:44 im in uk running sprint webos Feb 15 21:08:50 thought it might be handy Feb 15 21:08:56 :o Feb 15 21:09:23 does your provider have insurance? Feb 15 21:09:33 iSmite: I was until 5 minutes ago - just doctored to 1.3.5.2 x) Feb 15 21:10:11 worst case you can try calling Palm and see what they say Feb 15 21:10:17 iSmite: bad idea if you want to take it back ;) Feb 15 21:11:03 ill just put it back to gsm before i take it back Feb 15 21:12:20 why are you running Sprint version of WebOS? Feb 15 21:12:27 I pay O2 for insurence... works out as about $12 per month. All I can say is my Pre better break sometime soon >_> I don't even have an oreo yet and I'm paying through the nose for replacement devices on-tap Feb 15 21:12:36 is there something wrong with 1.3.5.2 Feb 15 21:13:03 no, just i heard some gsm users who used the sprint one got yahoo and paid appstore and sooner updates- i didn't. Feb 15 21:13:25 hehe Feb 15 21:14:01 and you get the same problems if you doctor to your provider's version of webos? Feb 15 21:14:55 havent done that yet, it was running fine on sprint until yesterday, i got a dropped call and it made this freaky buzzing sound, keyboard stopped working etc Feb 15 21:15:06 Kyusaku: 1.3.5.2 has the nice bluetooth feature Feb 15 21:15:07 there might be some leftover CDMA stuff that might be conflicting with your GSM radio Feb 15 21:15:16 iSmite: well to get the paid app store you first need to create a new palm profile on a device that's activated on sprint Feb 15 21:15:24 i thought id stay on the sprint one just in case they get the 1.4 first Feb 15 21:15:26 which is why you might be having some trouble with calls Feb 15 21:15:58 iSmite: then you can log into it with your sprint-version-running GSM device Feb 15 21:15:59 iSmite: I think you'd have to get 1.4 via doctor Feb 15 21:16:00 yeah id agree with you if it wasnt for that freaky buzzing it started doing a full week after i put the sprint on it no probs before that Feb 15 21:16:11 as the OTA update might try to flash your radio Feb 15 21:16:22 i did 1.3.5.1 ota Feb 15 21:16:29 we'll see anyway Feb 15 21:16:29 Kyusaku: the firwmare updaters check before updating Feb 15 21:16:43 Kyusaku: that's why you can run the sprint version on a GSM pre at all Feb 15 21:16:46 To be fair, I've been using the Sprint firmware for a few months with no radio problems Feb 15 21:17:06 sqyarc- did you get any of the sprint features when you did it? Feb 15 21:17:10 cos i didn Feb 15 21:17:13 but i know some have Feb 15 21:17:27 iSmite: nah, it was just like an O2 install. Clean Feb 15 21:17:34 yeah same Feb 15 21:17:35 iSmite: you absolutely should have, the sprint customizations are not in webos.tar so it depends how you did it Feb 15 21:17:35 it depends how you install it I think - there are various methods of doing it Feb 15 21:17:58 yes i wanted to do the 'proper' way but it was too complicated i couldnt understand it Feb 15 21:18:05 so i just swapped over the tar files Feb 15 21:18:32 iSmite: ah, that's why Feb 15 21:18:50 i tried everything to follow that wiki and other instructions but i couldnt do it Feb 15 21:19:50 iSmite: we definitely need an easier metadoctor type tool Feb 15 21:20:20 yeah.. i mean im not a complete n00b u know i admin an iphone (lol the largest iphone forum in the world :P) but i just cannot follow that wiki Feb 15 21:20:28 speaking of meta-doctor I updated the cygwin instructions for it Feb 15 21:20:42 if you literally follow step by step it doesnt work it assumes you know stuff already Feb 15 21:21:13 i wish it had a gui or something, you know, easier to work Feb 15 21:21:35 right, a Java gui would be the thing we need Feb 15 21:21:50 there was a few packages missing and some of the Linux instructions aren't possible with cygwin but bow works fine Feb 15 21:22:04 s/bow/now Feb 15 21:22:25 ~~~~ Feb 15 21:22:26 ARGH!!! STOP IT destinal-home!!! Feb 15 21:22:28 yeah if i could do it id have done a proper sprint 1.3.5.1 bypass activation..but i cant. Feb 15 21:23:09 iSmite: well still, even running the sprint version you still need a good palm profile to get paid app catalog which can't be made without activated device on sprint AFAIK Feb 15 21:23:23 JABBER IS TEH WORKIE!! Feb 15 21:23:25 somone on such a device could create you a new palm profile though I suppose Feb 15 21:23:27 except for SSL support Feb 15 21:23:35 * Mousey struggles to actually get responses Feb 15 21:23:44 yeah i could get hold of someone Feb 15 21:24:32 it's kind of silly all these different versions and all the different catalogs Feb 15 21:25:11 iPhone just has one OS and one app store for everywhere, right? Feb 15 21:25:20 it's probably some legal junk Feb 15 21:26:05 suddenly i see the value in that other patch Feb 15 21:26:20 no destinal Feb 15 21:26:25 iphone has different app stores Feb 15 21:26:31 iSmite: ah, ok Feb 15 21:26:39 thats why i have an american itunes account... Feb 15 21:26:56 iphone app store like itunes is regional Feb 15 21:27:10 the fw is the same everywhere though Feb 15 21:27:24 aparent from language variations Feb 15 21:27:32 the bad part is when palm both declares itself to be the gatekeeper for getting mainstream apps and then also makes it hard to then buy those apps without lots of modifications. IMO. Feb 15 21:29:12 if you could easily go buy apps from third party stores like in PalmOS, it would sort itself out Feb 15 21:29:23 yeah Feb 15 21:29:33 the webapps feed still doesn't do it for me Feb 15 21:29:59 they need a more independent "side-loading" system Feb 15 21:30:02 hmm, removing an account doesn't seem to work Feb 15 21:30:13 Mousey: doh Feb 15 21:30:14 They really need to have a "I want to offer users this app for their phones" directly from your website without their webapps non-appstore feed involved. Feb 15 21:30:29 psykoz: problem is then they don't get a cut Feb 15 21:30:45 destinal-home, they don't get a cut if your app is not on the appstore either though, right? Feb 15 21:31:14 ie: I pushed an app to the webapps feed, the app is useless unless you have a serial or some other activation mechanism and you directly paypal'd me $20 for it Feb 15 21:31:16 psykoz: sure but if everyone had a choice, you might get some serious competition which would cost palm money Feb 15 21:32:56 Mousey: yeah Feb 15 21:33:06 and of course you'd have to deal with users being responsible for their own choices (ie, I download malware which hurts my phone, it's my fault -- like in Windows desktop's and windows mobile phones) Feb 15 21:33:07 jabber rocks Feb 15 21:33:09 well it -sorta- works Feb 15 21:33:31 destinal-home, that's going to happen anyway when flash gets on the phone ;) Feb 15 21:33:32 i'd rather figure out how to get ssl working Feb 15 21:35:12 i installed the cert, but it doesn't seem to like my port 5223 Feb 15 21:35:15 ;_; Feb 15 21:35:17 psykoz: heh, flash. well also malware will get in eventually, especially in the rapid release web version thing Feb 15 21:35:28 nod Feb 15 21:37:08 So I watched the winmo7 presentation and man I wish MS would have taken advantage of wpf instead of silverlight for the phone Feb 15 21:37:52 psykoz: isn't silverlight just a subset of WPF? Feb 15 21:38:03 a little of it is Feb 15 21:38:14 more like kissing cousins ;) Feb 15 21:38:43 But it'd be nice to see them literally extend the winmo7 development directly into the next visual studio IDE and if so that will be sexy, it'll be sexy because it'll be a throwback to what Palm has been trying to highlight with WebOS Feb 15 21:38:53 that people want a range of easy to complex developer tools Feb 15 21:38:53 lol from #meego: Next up - WebOS and Bada to merge. Become BadOS(TM). Feb 15 21:39:13 lol Feb 15 21:40:16 thats good. Feb 15 21:49:56 ~seen rwhitby Feb 15 21:50:01 rwhitby is currently on #webos-internals (2d 18h 11m 37s) #oe (2d 18h 11m 37s) #nslu2-linux (2d 18h 11m 37s). Has said a total of 121 messages. Is idling for 10h 13m 14s, last said: 'RP: thx for the news - definitely interesting'. Feb 15 21:55:59 Mousey: i think port 5222 works also Feb 15 21:56:04 but not sure Feb 15 21:56:34 hucksy: my server did the old 5223 way, i'm upgrading the server software now in hopes i can fix this Feb 15 21:56:52 which daemon? Feb 15 21:57:26 jabber13 Feb 15 21:57:27 jabber14 Feb 15 21:57:29 rather Feb 15 21:57:33 hmkay Feb 15 21:57:42 its the only one that handles transports Feb 15 21:57:44 that i know of Feb 15 21:57:53 ejabberd Feb 15 21:58:00 probably Feb 15 21:58:12 but thats a bigger project than just getting this to work atm Feb 15 21:58:56 this is the one which runs on many big providers here in europe Feb 15 21:59:04 gmx e.g. Feb 15 21:59:18 yah, i'm familiar with it, but i don't remember it supporting transports to different IM networks Feb 15 21:59:29 i ar probably ig'nant Feb 15 22:00:31 i dont bet my ass on it but i think so ;) Feb 15 22:01:16 but strange programming language Feb 15 22:01:17 erlang Feb 15 22:01:29 never heard before Feb 15 22:21:52 morning Feb 15 22:23:26 hey rod Feb 15 22:23:53 Rick_work: "multiple feed conflict resolution" is next on my list to look at, now that the fatal locking solution is released. Feb 15 22:24:17 egaudet was talking about some flaws with AUPT before Feb 15 22:25:11 capape: open the app catalog, and wait for the installs to complete Feb 15 22:28:21 rwhitby: fishfillets comitted Feb 15 22:29:36 debilater: ready for testing feed? Feb 15 22:29:55 Kyusaku: yep, I've seen the threads already thanks. Feb 15 22:30:42 rwhitby: yes Feb 15 22:32:05 debilater: have you put it in the unreleased dir? Feb 15 22:33:35 rwhitby: nope, it's in nonworking Feb 15 22:35:01 debilater: if it builds in unreleased, then I can put it in the testing feed Feb 15 22:36:32 rwhitby: so, shall I move it? Feb 15 22:36:47 debilater: please Feb 15 22:38:38 rwhitby: done. question: does the script you use, completely build the game or does it just use what I checked in in games/fishfillets.git? Feb 15 22:39:45 debilater: the autobuilder simply does what the makefiles tell it to do, no more, no less. Feb 15 22:41:02 rwhitby: so, I I have some patches located in crosscompile/packages/fishfillets/ will it grab them or do I have to put them into build/unreleased/fishfillets/ as well? Feb 15 22:41:17 s/I I/if I/ Feb 15 22:41:17 debilater meant: rwhitby: so, if I have some patches located in crosscompile/packages/fishfillets/ will it grab them or do I have to put them into build/unreleased/fishfillets/ as well? Feb 15 22:42:26 ah forget it, I checked in the patched sources, so... Feb 15 22:43:08 debilater: crosscompile does not exist on the autobuilder yet Feb 15 22:44:20 rwhitby: sup bud Feb 15 22:45:43 who is committing fish? Feb 15 22:45:55 rwhitby: so where do I have to put patches then? Feb 15 22:46:01 xcomp: me Feb 15 22:56:46 rwhitby: it uses just what I put in games/fishfillets.git to build the package? Feb 15 22:57:23 debilater: it just does whatever the makefile in build.git tells it to do Feb 15 23:01:34 rwhitby: I see, but why is there a target to unpack the source in the makefile, if it doesn't compile it? Feb 15 23:02:34 debilater: well, for normal webOS apps, the source doesn't need to be compiled. Feb 15 23:02:43 debilater: termplugin, for example, does compile. Feb 15 23:03:01 debilater: but for all the SDL games so far, the author compiles themselves and puts the binaries in the source repo Feb 15 23:03:13 we haven't connected the cross-compile.git and build.git functionality yet. Feb 15 23:03:21 ok Feb 15 23:03:58 so I think I'm done Feb 15 23:11:48 rwhitby: yeah, that would be nice so we can ensure we have corresponding code Feb 15 23:12:08 (and that it builds for more than just the maintainer Feb 15 23:12:10 destinal-home: yep, it's the plan, but not much time to work on it :-) Feb 15 23:13:32 destinal-home: if meego use sb2 it should mature it even more quickly Feb 15 23:15:50 rwhitby: definitely. I'm a little (vaguely) nervous about the merge and what it does to maemo, but hoping it works out well Feb 15 23:17:40 ameego :P Feb 15 23:19:25 destinal-home: something else I was not aware of: http://www.kroah.com/log/linux/android-kernel-problems.html Feb 15 23:23:40 rwhitby: yeah, that I had heard about Feb 15 23:28:04 rwhitby: ping Feb 15 23:31:07 zsoc: gu Feb 15 23:32:29 rwhitby: ha. one i haven't heard :p Feb 15 23:32:41 rwhitby: i have autobuilder questions Feb 15 23:33:21 where's my 1.4 Feb 15 23:33:49 rwhitby: are library dependencies shared between the cross-compile.git and the build.git? Feb 15 23:40:41 anybody here know a way to test the "headphone" on the pre ? ... not the jack but the build one for phone use ! ... Feb 15 23:44:31 rwhitby: I guess what I'm asking is, how do I get something that's currently building in the widk to build in it's own git, and then use those binaries in the build.git for packaging. Feb 15 23:44:37 rwhitby: or are we not doing native packaging yet? Feb 15 23:45:59 damn you crosscompiler!! Why don't you want to compile my nethack! Feb 15 23:47:16 airmack: and error message might help with assistance. Feb 15 23:48:16 Can anyone comment on whether or not I need to set my clock speed back to 500 before I update to 1.4? (changed it to 600 using this method: sed "s/500000/600000/g" LunaSysMgr > newlunasysmgr) Feb 15 23:48:31 lol Feb 15 23:48:40 That is excellent lol. Feb 15 23:48:42 ./makedefs: cannot execute binary file Feb 15 23:48:56 that doesn't really help Feb 15 23:48:57 airmack: tell your host machine to stop trying to compile binaries made for arm ;) Feb 15 23:49:19 zsoc: cross-compile.git does not exist on the autobuilder. there is no linkage at the moment. Feb 15 23:49:20 airmack: i'm not familiar with your package, but there might be something like --disable-tests in your configure... check out those options Feb 15 23:49:43 rwhitby: so.. the current method is.. just provide the binaries and make a README referring to the widk packages? Feb 15 23:49:54 zsoc: unfortunately, until we merge the two, yes. Feb 15 23:50:10 SqyArc_desktop: i'm pretty sure LunaSysMgr is going to get replaced during the upgrade, but it's a good idea to roll back all changes before updating anyway Feb 15 23:50:44 xcomp: thanks, I'll do that Feb 15 23:52:10 rwhitby: ok then, I need a repo for my gsmwav decoder pacakge... no idea what to call it or where to put it. I would like to build it as a 'iconless' package. Maybe applications/gsmdec "adds gsmwav support" or similar Feb 15 23:52:20 zsoc: my guess is that the make file is building the utils that are used Feb 15 23:52:55 airmack: are you using the widk? and can you forward me to your source? Feb 15 23:53:26 no i am not using the Feb 15 23:54:09 widk, argh ... complete sentence are so hard to write Feb 15 23:54:56 i set up a toolchain for arm in gentoo and try to crosscompile with that Feb 15 23:56:03 airmack: are you using crossdev? Feb 15 23:56:36 yes Feb 15 23:57:29 airmack: feel free to pastebin the log file of the build. can't promise i can help but i know a little bit about cross-emerging. otherwise i think there's a channel for gentoo toolchains Feb 15 23:59:25 that would be nice Feb 16 00:00:39 http://dpaste.com/159693/ Feb 16 00:01:01 rwhitby: I'm going to bed now, it's really late here, good n8 everyone Feb 16 00:01:41 zsoc: we want to make sure that any binaries that are released can be built with the widk, so that when we do finally merge the build.git and cross-compile.git the autobuilder will be able to build them from source. Feb 16 00:01:59 rwhitby: the binaries i'm currently using for testing i built with the widk :) Feb 16 00:02:01 i have been working on that quite long today, if i had at least a clue what is going wrong there Feb 16 00:02:52 airmack: that's a classic cross-compile and then try to run on the host problem. Feb 16 00:03:05 ah ok Feb 16 00:03:15 i thought scratchbox would take care of it Feb 16 00:03:53 I have no idea what gentoo does, so can't comment on that. Feb 16 00:03:56 airmack: is that an ebuild, and if so, is there an arm keyword? or are you winging this? Feb 16 00:04:26 i created that ebuild today Feb 16 00:04:47 first of all wanted to get it working on an X86_64 and afterwards try to get it working on ARM Feb 16 00:04:58 zsoc: ok, is gsmwav just one of a set of decoders you're going to be adding? Feb 16 00:05:04 (just thinking of package and repo name) Feb 16 00:05:31 rwhitby: Yes. I'm making it separate on purpose however, specifically because it only involves adding a decoder, and no additional fileindexer/hacks of other sorts Feb 16 00:05:43 "decoder" is sort of a misnomer tho Feb 16 00:05:52 codec? Feb 16 00:06:02 it's really a "filetype support" thing, because there's going to be ugly typefind hacks moving forward Feb 16 00:06:29 rwhitby: in this case, yes, it's just 1 decoder, or 'codec'. It won't be in the future. Feb 16 00:06:51 zsoc: what do the codecs plug into? Feb 16 00:07:25 rwhitby: it's a gstreamer plugin binary. gstreamer registeres the binary into 'elements', which in this case are encoders/decoders. Feb 16 00:07:45 rwhitby: other filetypes will need to include a fix for an existing findtypefunctions plugin and the fileindexer fix Feb 16 00:07:53 zsoc: so org.webosinternals.gstcodecs.gsmwav ? Feb 16 00:08:07 rwhitby: i suppose that's good Feb 16 00:08:18 zsoc: what will be the names of some others? Feb 16 00:08:19 maybe i should separate the findtypes and fileindexer hacks into their own dep Feb 16 00:08:24 rwhitby: flac, ogg Feb 16 00:08:47 hopefully in the future, mpeg-ts, avi, xvid Feb 16 00:09:17 airmack: i'm poking through the nethack package... it's really.. dirty, to me at least. it's certainly not made to be built in a 'standard' environment. Feb 16 00:09:48 zsoc: so we add a new 'gstcodecs' group on git.webos-internals.org ? Feb 16 00:10:07 true the src is really messy Feb 16 00:10:19 rwhitby: maybe gstcodecs/ with a repo for each package... and an applications/filetypesupport or similar for the 1 hack for all the codecs? Feb 16 00:10:31 * rwhitby notes that http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/cs08q1armel/cross/unstable/nethack_3.4.3-3_arm.ipk exists ... Feb 16 00:10:59 rwhitby: the fileindexer hack will have to be a bspatch, we can't distribute the fileindexer :p Feb 16 00:11:09 airmack: also, what rod said. it's already in optware, that's a good start :p Feb 16 00:11:13 rwhitby: nethack is not unnethack ;) Feb 16 00:11:37 airmack: I don't understand Feb 16 00:11:57 unnethack is just a branch of nethack Feb 16 00:12:21 http://trac.nslu2-linux.org/optware/browser/trunk/make/nethack.mk is how it is built in optware, if that helps at all. Feb 16 00:12:28 yeap Feb 16 00:13:35 but i guess it would be best to set up an arm vm ... Feb 16 00:14:03 and compile in there Feb 16 00:14:19 airmack: we just use sb2 for that. Feb 16 00:16:04 i am not familar with sb2 are there any good tutorials about it? Feb 16 00:16:21 when i checked about it, i couldn't find any Feb 16 00:41:35 http://www.linux.com/news/featured-blogs/158-jim-zemlin/286723-bringing-the-magic-to-linux-with-meego- Feb 16 00:43:45 rwhitby: it's a nice thought Feb 16 00:44:39 rwhitby: although i was impressed with how well my 3g aircard worked on a default ubuntu install 2 years ago with no software/configuration, when it took 25 minutes to install the custom windows software and another 20 minutes of trial/error debugging Feb 16 00:45:31 zsoc: so will the codecs that need the patch just depend on the bspatch package? Feb 16 00:46:42 good night Feb 16 00:46:43 rwhitby: yeah, i think that's fine. it'll be a bspatch for the fileindexer and a replacement for gsttypefindfunctions.so Feb 16 00:47:03 zsoc: we just need to sort out the OTA lifecycle for such things first. Feb 16 00:47:29 rwhitby: for typefindfunctions.so i'll probably just put it in /usr/local/lib/gstreamer-0.10 and rename the old plugin, run gst-inspect to reregister the new one Feb 16 00:47:47 rwhitby: er, what about this /usr/local rpath thing? is does ipkgservice set that up (yet?)? Feb 16 00:48:32 rwhitby: i suppose you're right about the fileindexer. i'll have to cp it, bspatch it, and have a upstart script to stop the old one/start the new one Feb 16 00:48:35 zsoc: org.webosinternals.widk does the bind mount for /usr/local, then you need to use -rpath when compiling binaries that use libraries that are installed in that dir Feb 16 00:49:08 ok, i have rpath's set up for everything i added in the widk (i'm pretty sure) Feb 16 00:49:38 so the plugins will depend on the typefind/fileindexer package, and that package will depend on org.webosinternals.widk? Feb 16 00:52:40 zsoc: yep, anything that puts stuff under /usr/local must depend on widk Feb 16 00:53:57 rwhitby: ok. so then all the gsmwav package needs to do is move the binary to /usr/local/gstreamer-0.10/ and run 'gst-inspect'. Feb 16 01:05:16 zsoc: repo is ready Feb 16 01:05:26 rwhitby: ty Feb 16 01:06:05 zsoc: sorry the widk autobuild situation is in a mess. we're waiting for the new server install before we migrate the autobuilder to ub9.10 so we can then run sb2 on it. Feb 16 01:06:42 so until then, each developer needs to run widk locally and check in the binaries into the source repo for the build Makefile to then package Feb 16 01:06:55 rwhitby: it makes sense. plus i mean, the idea of native apps was kind of sprung on us in general. didn't have a whole lot of time to make it work Feb 16 01:10:51 rwhitby: binaries/arm7 ? Feb 16 01:11:19 sup all Feb 16 01:11:32 if anyones watching the 1.4 thread over on precentral it's absolutely hilarious, I have 7 thanks on it already rofl Feb 16 01:11:36 we want the funk Feb 16 01:11:42 give us the funk Feb 16 01:12:08 zsoc: just structure it the same as the SDL games repos Feb 16 01:12:15 no just gimme the damn update :( Feb 16 01:12:26 kk Feb 16 01:12:40 what's sup zsoc and rwhitby Feb 16 01:12:56 i added my 2 tags 'whenigetthatfeelin' ;ineedsexualhealin' Feb 16 01:13:02 * rwhitby doesn't bother watching when 1.4 drops, cause the Preware early warning system will kick in when people start complaining that they can't install patches yet. Feb 16 01:13:46 http://img.skitch.com/20100216-jfjix4jg4pfnwex6f2tx9cw6au.png Feb 16 01:14:28 premature updatification Feb 16 01:14:31 nice Feb 16 01:15:17 yeah that was my fave too Feb 16 01:22:05 rwhitby, sanity check before I push? Feb 16 01:22:07 http://webos.pastebin.com/d21d9c37e Feb 16 01:23:04 egaudet: talk me through the intent Feb 16 01:25:50 The major part is 2-fold. First when the package_list file doesn't exist the postinst was not creating $APP_DIR/md5sums file, and to avoid a strict building dependency I added a block to postinst that searches through the entire palm /usr/lib/ipkg/info/*.md5sums if it didn't get a palm_md5sum from $APP_DIR/md5sums Feb 16 01:26:22 err it uses the entire palm *.md5sums to help BUILD the $APP_DIR/md5sums in the event that package_list was simply flawed or missing Feb 16 01:27:23 The 2nd to that is the wrong variable was being checked in the prerm (orig_palm_md5sum was being set but palm_orig_md5sum was being checked) Feb 16 01:29:05 The searching will increase install time for patches that create files (each file it needs to search adds 2-3 seconds) and/or packages built without a good package_list file will have install time increased by 3 seconds * # of files Feb 16 01:31:03 The other change was moving the backups file name to file_list. Based on my singular case of my backups file being screwed up with backups sqlite3 stuff, I change all null bytes to spaces and then parse the backups file writing new data to file_list Feb 16 01:31:31 ok, what testing needs to be done before pushing? Feb 16 01:31:48 I tested a few installs and removes and verified that they worked Feb 16 01:31:59 egaudet: what are you working on ? Feb 16 01:32:42 zsoc, aupt bug causing all packages to think an OTA occurred when it didn't and thus not unapply the patch but remove the package data Feb 16 01:33:14 egaudet: interesting. good work :) Feb 16 01:33:31 zsoc, yea more like bad work for not catching it Feb 16 01:34:20 rwhitby, the patches were only meta bumped for aupt-2 and same for aupt-3, and i created an emergency file verification package that people can run to find out what files were modified by something other than aupt-1 or aupt-3 Feb 16 01:36:14 egaudet: so for the user who doesn't read precentral, will they just get an update notification for all their patches, and then once they've updated then they are done? Feb 16 01:36:30 I wasn't planning on that Feb 16 01:36:42 but if it's the best way to go I can mass bump all the versions. Feb 16 01:37:09 Even with aupt-2 patches installed they shouldn't run into a lot of trouble after OTA Feb 16 01:37:26 it's your call, based on how widespread you think the impact is, and how confusing it will be for people who just do what Preware tells them to do and nothing else. Feb 16 01:37:48 so the 1.4 OTA will fix it anyway? Feb 16 01:38:06 (whatever the next version will be, and whenever it will come) Feb 16 01:38:38 yea the only thing the OTA won't fix is the case where Palm doesn't update a package and they still have that patch "applied", but a simple install will get the ipkg data back without issue Feb 16 01:39:24 egaudet: even in that case won't they be forced to do a patch upgrade on that patch anyway? Feb 16 01:40:59 no because they won't have the ipkg installed Feb 16 01:41:15 so it's kind of like the situation they get in after a partial erase Feb 16 01:43:57 but after the OTA, that patch that was applied will either have that palm package be updated in which case it isn't applied anymore or it won't be touched in which case they'll still have it applied but can re-install it without issues Feb 16 01:47:38 egaudet: so it sounds like a meta version is sufficient then Feb 16 01:47:46 but it's your call. Feb 16 01:50:41 egaudet: in EFV postinst, it says PACKAGE=org.webosinternals.emergency-patch-recovery Feb 16 01:50:58 yea just fixed that Feb 16 01:51:49 I've done a scan, and nothing else stands out. I've not done a deep review of the code. Feb 16 01:53:03 ok well I'm going to push Feb 16 01:58:15 I think rather than these complicated, somewhat difficult to read scripts, it might be time to look into C service for patching along with theming **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Feb 16 02:59:57 2010