**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Feb 16 02:59:57 2010 Feb 16 03:09:42 rwhitby: can you check the git log? can't clone or pull that repo without the server hanging up with no error... Feb 16 03:13:10 * zsoc wonders if it's in a writable group Feb 16 03:17:06 zsoc: try now Feb 16 03:21:49 rwhitby: same Feb 16 03:22:00 rwhitby: oh, nevermind, fixed Feb 16 03:47:31 ~seen Sonic-NKT Feb 16 03:47:33 sonic-nkt was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 24d 13h 58m 45s ago, saying: 'full erase should do that'. Feb 16 04:01:28 are there any packages that are known to change the /etc/.rootfs_RW file and why? Feb 16 04:11:39 egaudet: not that I know of Feb 16 04:16:01 Ever since installing Preware 0.9.25 I get an error when trying to install/remove stuff that says "App Catalog installation in progress" Nothing is being installed. Any ideas? Feb 16 04:19:51 you sure there are no incomplete installs in app catalog? Feb 16 04:20:20 I have had some fail in the past, but I deleted those. Feb 16 04:20:47 Eguy: what does the following command return: Feb 16 04:21:02 luna-send -n 1 luna://com.palm/appInstallService/status '{}' Feb 16 04:21:10 luna-send -n 1 luna://com.palm.appInstallService/status '{}' Feb 16 04:21:16 (use the second one) Feb 16 04:22:10 Can you type { in the terminal app? Feb 16 04:22:48 hi, is egaudet here? Feb 16 04:22:56 hi Feb 16 04:23:21 spare, are you able to get terminal access ? Feb 16 04:23:36 ok, i haven't tried repair ultility in a while Feb 16 04:23:37 Eguy, no try 0 Feb 16 04:23:44 on the pre, yes Feb 16 04:23:57 spare, can you tell me what is inside those 2 files? Feb 16 04:24:12 how do i do that? Feb 16 04:24:17 cat /etc/.rootfs_RW Feb 16 04:24:23 cat /etc/udev/mount.blacklist Feb 16 04:28:08 after typing first line, it returned '1 root@palm-webos-device' Feb 16 04:30:43 I'm kind of curious as to what modified that file, I'm pretty sure that keeps your rootfs rw at all times Feb 16 04:30:43 second line '/dev/loop /dev/ram /dev/mtdblock /dev/mmcblk0 rootfs rootfs root@palm-webos-device Feb 16 04:31:44 That's weird Feb 16 04:32:05 very weird Feb 16 04:33:02 ls /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lib/ipkg/info/*.postinst Feb 16 04:33:07 rwhitby: It looks like mytether is the culprit but it seemed to have installed correctly Feb 16 04:33:21 pastebin the output to webos.pastebin.com Feb 16 04:33:43 Thanks Feb 16 04:34:30 did you want me to type that in terminal? Feb 16 04:34:34 http://webos.pastebin.com/m6a00a2db Feb 16 04:34:41 rwhitby: http://pastebin.org/92355 Feb 16 04:34:57 Preware 0.9.26 with improved app catalog background task detection in the testing feed. Need three testers please. Feb 16 04:35:10 spare yes Feb 16 04:35:33 rwhitby, I'll try, if you need real HW to test. Feb 16 04:35:39 bbiab, son calling Feb 16 04:35:41 Eguy: Preware 0.9.26 will fix that - please use the preware-bootstrap script to install the alpha test version Feb 16 04:37:15 I can wait for the final version, I am not really desperate, as long as it isn't a problem with my pre Feb 16 04:38:07 Eguy: please test the alpha version, so I can determine whether or not the fix I have included will fix your problem. Feb 16 04:38:33 how do i pastebin? Feb 16 04:38:48 Eguy: unless the app catalog clears itself, you're going to need to use wosqi or the bootstrap script to update preware anyay. Feb 16 04:39:01 Installing now Feb 16 04:39:02 just type pastebin webos.pastebin.com? Feb 16 04:39:19 spare: go to http://webos.pastebin.com, and paste the text in there, then tell us the URL it gives you Feb 16 04:39:50 BoomerET: what package is erroring out? Feb 16 04:40:12 rwhitby, updated to 0.9.26 so far so good Feb 16 04:42:09 i did it on the pre, how do copy? Feb 16 04:42:37 spare: dunno Feb 16 04:42:45 rwhitby: Good to go Feb 16 04:43:41 rwhitby, I don't know, it looks to me like alsa-lib, since it says no such file or directory. Feb 16 04:43:51 spare, it would be easiest to use novaterm Feb 16 04:44:04 Eguy: so it fixed your problem? Feb 16 04:44:12 Yes sir. Feb 16 04:44:19 but if you must use the pre terminal app, then just redirect the output to a file on media partition Feb 16 04:44:39 ls /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lib/ipkg/info/*.postinst > /media/internal/mylog.txt Feb 16 04:44:47 for example and then open mylog.txt from USB mode and copy paste Feb 16 04:45:53 i just dl'd novaterm, i'll try it Feb 16 04:49:23 so i only get 'to r' when i try to copy off novaterm Feb 16 04:50:12 using right click, is there a keyboard command? Feb 16 04:51:06 windows? I'm not sure, can try ctrl-C Feb 16 04:51:29 yea, i get the same 'to r' when i try to paste anywhere Feb 16 04:52:15 you can screenshot if you want and just upload that somewhere or redirect to a file as above Feb 16 04:55:51 http://i416.photobucket.com/albums/pp242/spareblue/spare_ls.jpg Feb 16 04:57:14 grep rootfs /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lib/ipkg/info/*.postinst Feb 16 04:58:23 hola WHE's Feb 16 04:58:59 that line returned nothing Feb 16 04:59:58 that's what I expected. I dunno why or what changed those 2 files on you Feb 16 05:00:15 I'd repair them Feb 16 05:00:23 ok Feb 16 05:00:24 What do you guys think of the 7 Series? Feb 16 05:01:21 I think it caters less to the business market than previous versions of WM Feb 16 05:01:50 Its very abstract imo Feb 16 05:03:05 I don't like the fact that it doesn't give snippets for mail/texts on the home screen Feb 16 05:08:07 i have a question or two on the emergency file verification. it reported my 4 latest installed patches (out of 9) as 'Packages installed with unsupported patch technology'. I have only installed patches with PreWare, and those were in the past week Feb 16 05:09:10 it shows I have no updates, so i was confused by the thread saying to update your patches. since it says the remove will not work, i wasn't sure about remove and reinstall fixing them Feb 16 05:10:26 Grabber, remove and reinstall the ones that it says are installed with unsupported patch technology Feb 16 05:10:52 ok, will give it a try Feb 16 05:11:13 the patch packages were rebuilt with the same version numbers but updated aupt technology. aupt-2 was buggy in the sense that it won't unapply the patch from the OS on removal Feb 16 05:11:45 i can remove all at once without doing a java or luna restart correct? Feb 16 05:12:03 yep Feb 16 05:13:03 can i reinstall each one after I remove it (since the install button is right there) or wait until I have removed them all? Feb 16 05:13:10 Question: I installed the EFV and it's just sitting in my installed packages under Linux apps. Did it do anything? Also...I'm not fully understanding the 'AUPT' thing and how you can tell if it's 'AUPT-1...3' etc. Feb 16 05:13:52 i was planning on removing all of them and reinstalling after a luna restart. the button made me ask :) Feb 16 05:14:44 cdadams1223, did it give you an error on install? Update feeds and it should stop appearing under installed packages Feb 16 05:15:18 yes it does its checking on install and then removes itself, it only reports files that are modified from Palm stock files outside of a "good" version of aupt Feb 16 05:16:00 Grabber, you can remove and reinstall them all without a luna restart as the "remove" of aupt-2 doesn't really remove anyway Feb 16 05:16:06 egaudet: either EFV needs to have a different message, or we need to bump the patch versions Feb 16 05:16:16 cdadams1223, easiest way to see aupt version is in the .webosinternals.patches.packages file Feb 16 05:16:32 since aupt-1 and aupt-2 are supported, just not latest :-) Feb 16 05:16:45 How do I access that? Feb 16 05:16:51 Well aupt-1 passes EFV Feb 16 05:16:59 it's only aupt-2 that it considers "unsupported" Feb 16 05:17:06 What would be a better message Feb 16 05:17:19 cdadams1223, USB mode Feb 16 05:17:27 Ah...ok Feb 16 05:17:34 'buggy patch technology' :)) Feb 16 05:18:03 that was a joke, hope you took it that way Feb 16 05:19:06 egaudet: dunno yet Feb 16 05:19:59 Grabber, but it's true :P Feb 16 05:20:23 as a developer, i hate coming up with error messages, because it's hard to think like a non-developer Feb 16 05:20:44 so we have 2 reported cases of /etc/udev/mount.blacklist having rootfs in it Feb 16 05:21:49 How about Feb 16 05:21:50 Packages installed with unsupported patch technology, please remove and reinstall the following packages: Feb 16 05:22:32 +egaudet Is it normal for the 'update feeds' to take this long?!? Feb 16 05:22:45 I don't know what "this" long is Feb 16 05:22:54 egaudet: s/unsupported/something else/ Feb 16 05:23:20 Sorry...you asked me to update my feeds to see if the EFV goes away...been updating for like 5 minutes Feb 16 05:23:46 cdadams1223, it shouldn't take -that- long and should tell you what feed it is currently updating Feb 16 05:23:47 obsolete is also the wrong word. looking for a word that says not quite current, but not that old either. Feb 16 05:23:54 is efv specifically looking for aupt-2 patches or other things? Feb 16 05:24:12 rwhitby: expired? Feb 16 05:24:14 Grabber, well it first is looking for patch packages that aren't aupt-1 or aupt-3 Feb 16 05:24:38 and if they all pass, it will go through the entire palm stock md5sums list and list anything that doesnt' have a backup file from aupt-1 or aupt-3 Feb 16 05:25:38 flawed broken unfriendly.... Feb 16 05:26:01 "Packages installed with patch technology that is not on the list of current recommended patch technologies" Feb 16 05:26:16 "previous release" ? Feb 16 05:26:33 but aupt-1 is previous release and is fine Feb 16 05:26:50 why not leave out the why and just say they need to be removed/reinstalled Feb 16 05:27:02 apt and aupt-2 "bad", aupt-1 and aupt-3 "good" Feb 16 05:27:07 aupt-1 has a different problem, so also needs reinstallation Feb 16 05:27:27 "detected patches that must be removed and reinstalled in order for correct auto-update handling" Feb 16 05:27:36 or something to that effect Feb 16 05:27:40 Grabber: yeah, that's good. Feb 16 05:29:39 +egaudet I did a Luna restart, restarted Preware, and the EFV is now gone. Thanks! Also, is it necessary for me to run an EPR prior to the 1.4 update? Sorry if this has already been discussed. I don't have a theme installed ATM. Feb 16 05:30:01 i just realized i had a bare hard drive sitting right next to my touchstone.. hope those magnets aren't too strong 8-/ Feb 16 05:31:58 cdadams1223, you should be fine Feb 16 05:32:03 no need for EPR Feb 16 05:32:11 Gracias sir! Feb 16 05:33:06 all patches removed and reinstalled, things appear normal, going to run efv again. Feb 16 05:33:48 i'm scanning now, going to bed, will report in the thread my findings tomorrow Feb 16 05:33:58 thanks for helping out, goodnight all. Feb 16 05:37:45 Ok, I don't understand. MacWorld. Apple hasn't attended in 3+ years, and Microsoft had the biggest booth there. Feb 16 05:39:18 Not sure I understand the connection of that with the topic for #webos-internals ... ;-) Feb 16 05:40:00 Hmm I better email myself the package.log file.. the second time around i got more errors Feb 16 05:40:37 Well, since I haven't solved my alsa problem when doing 'make stage', I had to come up with something else. Feb 16 05:42:05 Hey all. Feb 16 05:42:29 * BoomerET waves Feb 16 05:43:00 :) I actually had a quick question. Can anyone help me? Feb 16 05:43:14 I can't, unless it's a Linux question. Feb 16 05:43:48 ~ask Feb 16 05:43:50 Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. Feb 16 05:50:09 Seems there is no alsa-lib in packages.. Feb 16 05:50:47 BoomerET: someone probably forgot to check it it Feb 16 05:50:58 I'm backtracking into git Feb 16 05:51:04 BoomerET: move the package that is depending on it over to ../nonworking/ Feb 16 05:51:58 lol @ TLG Feb 16 05:52:40 so there is a problem with AUPT-2 but instead of bumping the version numbers so we can do an easy "update all" we instead have to manually remove and reinstall each one? Feb 16 05:53:32 cryptk|work: we're doing a version bump right now Feb 16 05:53:47 (just waiting for the autobuilder to process it) Feb 16 05:54:05 rwhitby: sweet Feb 16 05:54:05 Tnx for the non-working tip, seems to be working. Feb 16 05:54:44 I saw mention of a thread about it... is it in the main preware thread? Feb 16 05:54:45 move libsnd (or something like that) to non-w Feb 16 05:55:07 cryptk|work: AUPT != Preware Feb 16 05:55:15 Update - the remove/install seemed to go well, and the aupt versions listed in the packages file are all aupt-1 or aupt-3, but when I ran the AFV again, it reported 8 or 9 files being modified with outdated patch technology Feb 16 05:55:18 You'll find it in the AUPT thread :-) Feb 16 05:55:26 rwhitby: well yes, but I didn't see any aupt thread... I will look again Feb 16 05:55:40 cryptk|work: in webos-patches forum Feb 16 05:56:11 found it, thanks! Feb 16 06:00:06 preset reset really should have a "restart now" button in it's notification Feb 16 06:00:55 i can't decide if it is flagging in error or if something actually didn't work right. all of the patch installs are reported as success. Feb 16 06:02:10 Grabber, what does it say Feb 16 06:02:33 list an example file it complains about Feb 16 06:02:44 and patch technology Feb 16 06:03:19 so it seems that the talk of 1.4 landing on the 15th are officially wrong... (just past midnight) Feb 16 06:03:22 doh this chat is one line at a time isn't it. so much for pasting the whole list Feb 16 06:03:37 Grabber: http://webos.pastebin.com Feb 16 06:03:39 http://webos.pastebin.com Feb 16 06:03:42 File: /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.screenlock/app/controllers/securityconfig-assistant.js aupt-2 Feb 16 06:05:56 Thanks, pasted the AFV report there. Feb 16 06:06:04 that means the backup file was created by aupt-2, and it might indicate that the backup file is not palm md5sum stock Feb 16 06:06:40 This was in one of the patch install logs: "Interestingly, the patch seems to already be applied" Feb 16 06:06:41 Grabber: when you paste there, report the URL it gives you back here Feb 16 06:06:48 ah Feb 16 06:07:33 Grabber what is the output of the following command: Feb 16 06:07:42 md5sum /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.screenlock/app/controllers/securityconfig-assistant.js.webosinternals.orig Feb 16 06:08:08 The only URL I see is the one to my bin, did I miss it? Feb 16 06:08:46 or is that it Feb 16 06:09:04 http://webos.pastebin.com/m7a9a4eef Feb 16 06:09:45 egaudet: update the error message to say "with outdated patch technology (aupt-3 is the latest)" Feb 16 06:09:45 http://webos.pastebin.com/m7a9a4eef Feb 16 06:09:54 yeah that's the one :) Feb 16 06:11:44 This is a very confusing package for AM, I don't know what to do with it anymore Feb 16 06:12:19 If a patch package is detected out of date the current message is Feb 16 06:12:21 Detected patches that must be removed and reinstalled in order to maintain correct handling of auto-update and OTA compatibility Feb 16 06:13:10 ok Feb 16 06:13:12 Here is the patch re-install log, if it helps: http://webos.pastebin.com/d394b3c26 Feb 16 06:13:25 but when the patch packages succeed it moves on to check all files, which would include themes, mytether stuff, messaging plugins patches and any thing else that touches palm stock file Feb 16 06:13:39 so... the bug in aupt-2 is that the patches do not uninstall when you tell them to, does this affect the ability to OTA safely? Feb 16 06:13:56 or is the upgrade to aupt-3 merely to enable people to remove the patches Feb 16 06:14:49 the latter Feb 16 06:14:56 but it has other fixes Feb 16 06:14:56 egaudet: builder has finished Feb 16 06:15:46 ahh the price we pay to be on the cutting edge, lol Feb 16 06:16:40 also, on a different subject. do you guys think native code versions of stock palm apps would run faster? I.E. a native code PDK version of calendar or contacts? Feb 16 06:16:59 absolutely Feb 16 06:17:33 I really hope that Palm comes out with an update to push out native code versions then, lol Feb 16 06:19:23 wow, look at all those patch updates in preware all of the sudden :) Feb 16 06:19:35 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/230808-update-aupt-version-3-a.html Feb 16 06:20:52 cryptk|work: I doubt that they will - cause that would be against the message Feb 16 06:21:11 that's what i was thinking Feb 16 06:21:45 like saying 'yeah, we admit html-based apps are slow so we aren't going to use them for the PIM apps' Feb 16 06:22:23 it's that time of night for precentral to crawl Feb 16 06:22:45 egaudet: i know whats up w/ that Feb 16 06:23:09 every night for about an hour Feb 16 06:23:16 yeah, timing out here too Feb 16 06:23:44 all those people on the other side of the world taking their lunch breaks and jumping onto precentral ;) Feb 16 06:23:49 its always btween 1 and 2 am here Feb 16 06:24:18 Grabber: 5PM here Feb 16 06:24:58 argh. maemo and moblin are "merging" - what does that mean for clutter? Feb 16 06:25:23 rwhitby: I know what you mean about the "against the message" Feb 16 06:25:40 I wonder if someone could develope a native app replacement though, someone other than palm... Feb 16 06:26:11 cryptk|work: I expect DateBook or SnapperMail are ... Feb 16 06:26:25 I was hoping that ChatterMail would, but that got bought by Palm. Feb 16 06:26:36 hmmm Feb 16 06:29:01 rwhitby: why do some apps show up as unknown? Feb 16 06:30:40 sslow__: do you have fix unknowns turned on? Feb 16 06:31:07 it's apps for which there is no entry in the feeds you have loaded Feb 16 06:31:12 rwhitby: yes Feb 16 06:31:40 ah, so that is why anything from the app catalog shows up there Feb 16 06:32:29 then why does acclerometer service show up there? Feb 16 06:32:49 ok, did another remove and reinstall of my patches, and this time it cleaned up the backups when it removed the patch, so when i reinstalled, it made the afv happy Feb 16 06:33:12 now only one file in the report: /etc/udv/mount.blacklist, which seems normal Feb 16 06:33:34 that's not normal to me, it's -weird- Feb 16 06:34:17 well, it seems normal that it would have no known patch backup Feb 16 06:34:33 right, I just have no idea who or what touches that file Feb 16 06:34:35 will have to see what's in it (which is harder when you don't want to dig for a usb cable) Feb 16 06:34:36 or why Feb 16 06:34:48 I'll bet it ends with 2 lines of "rootfs" Feb 16 06:34:59 yeah, not like i've been mounting a lot of external filesystems :D Feb 16 06:35:12 egaudet: http://twitter.com/webosinternals/status/9174759237 Feb 16 06:35:51 Update All seemed to work for me. Feb 16 06:36:15 rwhitby: egaudet anybody know why acceleratormeter service shows up as unknown? Feb 16 06:37:08 wow. precentral needs an option to disable comment display, like engadget now has Feb 16 06:37:28 first I stopped reading comments on slashdot, then engadget, and now precentral Feb 16 06:38:35 ok since update all worked for Rod I guess it's ok for me to try :)) Feb 16 06:38:57 rwhitby, is there a problem with update feeds in preware? Feb 16 06:39:13 egaudet: not that I know of Feb 16 06:39:31 I'm pretty sure I tapped update feeds 3 times but kept getting md5sum mismatch when trying to install vkb. THen I command line ipkg -o update and it went through Feb 16 06:39:36 sslow__: yes, it's no longer in any feeds. Feb 16 06:40:23 +egaudet: Yep, ends with two lines that say rootfs. Seems kind of important to be blacklisted :) Feb 16 06:40:29 rwhitby: so its unnecessary? should I remove it? Feb 16 06:40:34 sslow__: yep Feb 16 06:40:48 rwhitby: k thanks Feb 16 06:40:58 Grabber: otoh, you don't want udev mounting it Feb 16 06:41:26 I just want to know who or what is editting that file Feb 16 06:41:47 I'll take your word for it. that's above the level of my linux understanding at this point Feb 16 06:42:08 egaudet: http://twitter.com/rmbwebs/status/9174900719 Feb 16 06:42:48 come here Feb 16 06:42:59 only APT patches should unnecessarily fail to remove Feb 16 06:43:21 any AUPT patch that can't remove might have a weird order dependency, but we'd need to check the webos-patches.log and/or IPKG log Feb 16 06:52:54 this stopped updating... is everybody asleep or is my connection dead Feb 16 06:54:20 your connection is fine Grabber. Feb 16 06:54:37 thanks :D Feb 16 06:54:49 i for one, am about to fall asleep, so I better go to bead Feb 16 06:55:50 egaudet: what's the full pathname of webos-patches.log ? Feb 16 06:56:02 thanks for the help guys, hope i somehow contributed something valuable. Feb 16 06:56:10 /media/internal/webos-patches.log Feb 16 06:56:12 I found it in /media/internal Feb 16 06:56:13 doh Feb 16 06:56:26 i had to think before i pressed enter Feb 16 06:56:34 USB mode - just the root directory the device shows up as Feb 16 06:57:05 egaudet: http://twitter.com/webosinternals/status/9175309692 Feb 16 07:50:38 rwhitby: egaudet either of you two here? Feb 16 07:51:10 ~seen JayCanuck Feb 16 07:51:13 jaycanuck <~chatzilla@S010600111186b639.wp.shawcable.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 1d 8h 3m 11s ago, saying: 'yea'. Feb 16 07:54:43 sleepy time lol Feb 16 08:29:50 ;) Feb 16 08:45:15 Anyone here? Feb 16 08:48:41 can anyone help me regarding a "corrupt" patch Feb 16 09:30:10 what kind of patch is it? Feb 16 11:27:08 cryptk|work: what's up? Feb 16 11:40:18 wa having a problem with a patch and I thought it was related to the AUPT, it isn't Feb 16 11:40:48 figured ou the problem an I am all good now Feb 16 11:45:03 ok Feb 16 12:31:28 ok im gonna attempt taking that pre back Feb 16 12:31:33 just wiped it Feb 16 12:31:46 wish me luck cyas later Feb 16 12:33:46 hang on is someone there i dont wanna put my profile in- i did a full erase would that have erased everything on it, files, contacts etc? Feb 16 12:35:55 A full erase will wipe your personal data Feb 16 12:36:14 thx Feb 16 12:36:19 I would use WebOS Doctor to return the firmware to its original state as well Feb 16 12:36:29 (So that your warranty can't be invalidated) Feb 16 12:36:37 it dont matter they dont know anything about phones in the shop i bought it from Feb 16 12:36:42 Ok Feb 16 12:36:44 3rd party Feb 16 12:36:47 Good luck :) Feb 16 12:36:53 thanks im gonna need it :S Feb 16 12:37:34 if the damn thing works when i get there im screwed, however the signal bar is still stuck after the erase so maybe it will fail accordingly Feb 16 13:02:02 well... another failed bootloader test Feb 16 13:02:07 I get to do last resort again, lol Feb 16 13:02:18 ~seen geist Feb 16 13:02:19 geist is currently on #webos-internals. Has said a total of 49 messages. Is idling for 2d 44m 6s, last said: 'aww, so neat everyone figured out the stuff'. Feb 16 13:30:59 hi Feb 16 13:31:21 doyou know some infos about the release of webos 1.4? Feb 16 13:32:08 lol sometime in february Feb 16 13:32:08 :D Feb 16 13:32:57 precentral sad it would be released at the 15th, for ALL countrys Feb 16 13:33:21 but thx, so it isn't in usa aviable too? Feb 16 13:34:00 nope Feb 16 13:34:09 they had leaked info which wasn't true Feb 16 13:34:26 don't worry man everyone is waiting when it hits twitter will let u know Feb 16 13:59:48 has anyone tried g-twitter yet? Feb 16 14:27:40 grzundheit Feb 16 14:58:26 anyone know if there is a vector math library already on the pre? Feb 16 15:00:26 seriously doubt anything like blas is on the pre Feb 16 15:00:31 but i want to get R in preware Feb 16 15:00:39 which will require those libs Feb 16 15:02:02 PuffTheMagic_, hadn't heard of that. I had been looking at vmath and cml. just starting back into opengl after 10 years. Feb 16 15:03:11 u looking for tutor software or a library to do calculations with Feb 16 15:03:29 library to do calcs with. Feb 16 15:04:06 I'm hoping my Mech E/CS degree will get me through the learing vectors and 3d math part :) Feb 16 15:04:23 PuffTheMagic_, and I've done some 3d apps before. Feb 16 15:04:53 http://www.netlib.org/blas/index.html Feb 16 15:04:58 i would check that out Feb 16 15:05:10 pretty good eh? Feb 16 15:06:09 and http://www.netlib.org/lapack/ Feb 16 15:06:27 all the big math and science apps use those Feb 16 15:06:34 might be overkill for what u are doing Feb 16 15:06:35 idk Feb 16 15:08:30 Thanks PuffTheMagic_ Feb 16 15:09:11 atlas might be interesting too Feb 16 15:10:05 just got done doing Last Resort... again... Feb 16 15:10:22 another failed bootloader attempt... Feb 16 15:10:45 unfortunately I have no way to test other than "put it on the pre and see if it works" lol Feb 16 15:11:09 although if anyone knows of a way to emulate the exact boot process of the pre, by all means let me know, lol Feb 16 15:11:29 I am about to write a script to automate last resort... I have done it like 3 or 4 times now Feb 16 15:11:40 nevermind, make that 5 Feb 16 15:11:46 lol Feb 16 15:41:19 hohum Feb 16 15:41:29 lazy tuesday Feb 16 15:54:35 http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/02/15/bug-2-0-platform-adds-support-for-android/ More important than android is that the bug 2.0 will be OMAP3 based Feb 16 15:59:08 quick q, since #webos didn't know Feb 16 15:59:50 for sound effects, should I leave my effects in wav for performance and battery life reasons, or can I compress them? Latency isn't a significant issue, it's only a slot machine, but I don't want it eating up CPU/battery for it Feb 16 16:08:18 VincentLaw: thats depends on a ton of factors Feb 16 16:08:47 VincentLaw: do you have a lot of sound effects that use up lots of space? then the answer is easy Feb 16 16:08:52 plus Feb 16 16:09:02 decompressing mp3 on the fly doesnt take hardly any CPU Feb 16 16:09:36 and you should not see any latency as this decompression is done in real time and outputs a PCM stream which is essentially a wav anyways Feb 16 16:10:48 what he said Feb 16 16:19:19 destinal sup Feb 16 16:21:44 destinal's up Feb 16 16:23:35 sup zsoc Feb 16 16:23:55 zsoc's up Feb 16 16:24:05 haha Feb 16 16:24:26 anything new Feb 16 16:25:44 too busy for things to be new Feb 16 16:26:51 tell me about it now we have this dam snow again WTF Feb 16 16:27:03 loot-: well if it doesn't kill CPU/battery then I'll just compress it. Feb 16 16:27:14 thanks for the info :D Feb 16 16:29:47 np Feb 16 16:44:13 I've been attempting to update to the new aupt-3 technology... I have 3 patches in the /media/interna/.webosineranls.patches.packages that are listed yet are not installed... can anyone help me manually remove what is left of them? Feb 16 16:49:09 did u installed them through webos quick install? Feb 16 16:49:34 MLJ: I am unfamiliar with the changes made in the newer patch algorithims and am not confident explaining how to manually remove them is the proper preceedure Feb 16 16:49:56 patch -R reverses the patch Feb 16 16:50:01 but you need the patch file Feb 16 16:50:45 en0x: One of them was probably installed via WOSQI a month ago... the other two were I removed manually via preware and re-downloaded via preware... and have since removed Yet still show in the log. Feb 16 16:51:07 Do I need the original patch file? Feb 16 16:51:25 to completly remove it? yes Feb 16 16:51:27 afaik Feb 16 16:51:46 As in I need the aupt-1 file? Feb 16 16:51:46 i may be wrong talk to the ppl who manage patches Feb 16 16:52:04 k. Feb 16 16:52:44 but in order to remove patches without editing patched files you need the original patch file Feb 16 16:55:15 I' Feb 16 16:55:17 ack Feb 16 16:55:28 I will likely need to just pull the patched files from the DR... all 3 of them are menu remix/megamix patches so I'd imagine they all touch the same file(s), Do you know how to tell witch files are touched? Feb 16 16:55:31 I'm assuming its normal that my preware still states .22, even though ive gotten 5-6 upgrades recently? Feb 16 16:56:02 MLJ, nope but afaik preware saves the info somewhere which files are patched but where idk Feb 16 16:56:34 en0x: thanks, i'll check into the other log file. Feb 16 16:58:50 holy shit Feb 16 16:58:54 THE raster? Feb 16 16:59:24 * Mousey lurks in awe Feb 16 16:59:27 burrp Feb 16 16:59:29 actually, Feb 16 16:59:36 * Mousey updates his 50 patches in awe Feb 16 17:00:38 Mousey: ? he's here all the time... Feb 16 17:01:09 oh? i have bad observation skills Feb 16 17:01:37 i wish greg would come back Feb 16 17:02:03 so i could a) thank him for the jabber patch, b) bitch about how it can't get it to work, and c) get his address to send him cases of beer Feb 16 17:02:51 zsoc: yo yo :) Feb 16 17:02:58 Mousey: i lurk in many places. Feb 16 17:03:18 <_< Feb 16 17:03:20 Mousey: i'm like a bad smell that wont go away... and hangs around everywhere Feb 16 17:03:28 great, now i'm gonna be paranoid Feb 16 17:03:30 * raster pongs it up Feb 16 17:03:44 i'm watching you! Feb 16 17:04:01 man, you -must- be bored! ^_6 Feb 16 17:04:06 augh, my eye! Feb 16 17:04:55 mobgod: hey Feb 16 17:08:33 I have two patches that are stuck, GPS in Device Menu and Personal Avatar Left Side, I can't update them or remove them, can anyone help me fix them? Feb 16 17:09:28 Mousey: no - not bored. just omniscient... :) Feb 16 17:09:35 MUHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHA Feb 16 17:09:35 bobbob1016: epr will fix it I'm sure Feb 16 17:10:02 zsoc, Yeah, but then I need to reinstall my other 50 patches by hand right? Feb 16 17:10:04 raster: tell someone bada is crap Feb 16 17:10:23 bada-bing Feb 16 17:10:28 bada: meh! Feb 16 17:10:32 bobbob1016: pretty much. otherwise you can manually remove those patches and pray you left nothing unreversed Feb 16 17:11:09 zsoc, I'm surprised there isn't an app or something to reinstall the patches after an EPR Feb 16 17:11:17 raster: and e-land os better have a better name Feb 16 17:11:36 bobbob1016: with aupt you shouldn't need to run epr Feb 16 17:11:47 aupt? Feb 16 17:11:47 meeeeegoooooooooooo Feb 16 17:11:52 bhoedjaonxiandqwo Feb 16 17:12:09 raster: lulz. meego is a silly name Feb 16 17:14:11 zsoc, I googled it, and I've been updating preware manually but I still can't update those patches Feb 16 17:14:28 eeee peeee arrrrr Feb 16 17:14:33 zsoc: it is a taad silly Feb 16 17:14:43 bobbob1016: pastebin your ipkg log? Feb 16 17:14:57 blah meego, i still think it's proof intel doesn't feel like they can compete on their own Feb 16 17:15:21 aah!!! Feb 16 17:15:29 my launcher is EMPTY?!?!?! Feb 16 17:15:39 Mousey: give it a second Feb 16 17:15:44 Mousey: it's rescanning Feb 16 17:15:55 dude, it's not doing anything Feb 16 17:16:10 close it, wait a minute Feb 16 17:16:25 it's been sitting there idle for minutes Feb 16 17:17:02 * Mousey reboots Feb 16 17:17:26 congratulations,,, you bricked ur pre :D Feb 16 17:17:43 it's not a brick. but it's ready for the kiln Feb 16 17:18:16 virtual KB patch is giving me md5sum mismatch Feb 16 17:18:22 note to self, don't run "Update All" on 50 patches Feb 16 17:18:34 lame, i hate buying apps and then they dont install Feb 16 17:18:35 Kyusaku: HAX! Feb 16 17:19:13 Mousey, indeed Feb 16 17:20:06 I think it screwed up my update all on my patches, cause all other patches updated without issues Feb 16 17:20:31 yep, still empty Feb 16 17:20:40 felgercarb! Feb 16 17:21:33 Mousey, some patch screwed up your launcher? Feb 16 17:22:24 basically.. update_all did.. it (inevitably) failed on one.. so you know. good a time as any to luna restart.. came back? no launcher icons/pages Feb 16 17:22:53 so now it's WOQI, ftw Feb 16 17:23:50 weird Feb 16 17:23:51 zsoc, Looks like I have an unreversed patch according to my log, wish I read that before I hand typed the other app's log... I'll do epr I guess Feb 16 17:24:08 While on my phone, and not at a computer, is it possible to access the command line? ie, I want to open a command line, and ssh into a remote server that I control. Feb 16 17:24:20 BoomerET: yah, install Terminal Feb 16 17:24:38 it never gets the screen size right, but it works fine Feb 16 17:24:39 Or is this not the proper place for that question, my apologies. Feb 16 17:24:46 BoomerET: best place evar Feb 16 17:24:56 * Mousey must be on /ignore Feb 16 17:25:26 wow, empty launcher Feb 16 17:25:28 * Mousey baws Feb 16 17:25:38 mobgod: hey Feb 16 17:25:42 Ok, looks like I had terminal service plugin installed, but not Terminal, thanks for the help. Feb 16 17:25:51 np! ^_^ Feb 16 17:27:19 bobbob1016: there are other possibilities Feb 16 17:27:33 Awesome, it works perfect, thanks so much. Feb 16 17:28:30 i hate doctors! Feb 16 17:28:45 You hate me? You don't even know me. Feb 16 17:28:51 f this.. Feb 16 17:29:07 * Mousey goes in to novaterm and hands out ass-whoopin's to ipkg Feb 16 17:29:58 zsoc, Here is one of the logs http://pastebin.com/m6736c370 Feb 16 17:30:03 Lucky for you I don't have emotions or feelings, otherwise I might truly be offended. :) Feb 16 17:30:11 BoomerET: if you have any suggestions (or better yet, patches) to terminal / termplugin, it's very welcome Feb 16 17:30:26 The other one just said "Unremoved patches, continue anyways -n" Feb 16 17:30:29 basically Feb 16 17:30:44 destinal: i have like 50 suggestions for terminal.. alas, no patches Feb 16 17:31:14 Mousey: I'll take suggestions, too. stake out a section of the talk page :) Feb 16 17:31:29 destinal, my experience with firmware is limited to DSL modems. (or are patches C code, with which I'm mildly fluent)... Feb 16 17:31:33 really, all i want is the margins to work right at 4x6 font Feb 16 17:31:40 I'm new to all this, just got my phone a week ago Feb 16 17:31:42 BoomerET: C code Feb 16 17:31:48 BoomerET: well you're in the right place ^_^ Feb 16 17:31:52 lol my app catalog is empty Feb 16 17:32:17 BoomerET: terminal is a mojo app (javascript, html, etc) which embeds the terminal NPAPI plugin (c/c++) Feb 16 17:32:17 your app catalog, my launcher.. it's amputate your Pre week! Feb 16 17:32:35 I'm loving this phone, finally a phone that's affordable to me with Linux :) I am one happy camper. Feb 16 17:33:00 BoomerET: well, you're only gonna get hornier as you learn more about it.. ;) Feb 16 17:33:32 niiiiice, ipkg update is totally resuming my upgrade Feb 16 17:33:33 ^_^ Feb 16 17:34:26 hmmmm I think I'm gonna have to ride those emergency ambulances Feb 16 17:34:57 The cake is a lie. Feb 16 17:35:18 whats the (link to the) command to restart luna? Feb 16 17:35:35 i swear i should bookmark it, or just learn it or something useful Feb 16 17:35:40 BoomerET: but, The Enrichment Center reminds you that the weighted companion cube will never threaten to stab you, and in fact cannot speak... Feb 16 17:35:54 There is no spoon. Feb 16 17:35:57 destinal: win! Feb 16 17:36:05 Touche' Feb 16 17:38:06 sbin/stop, that's weird Feb 16 17:38:24 Mousey: what's weird about "stop"? Feb 16 17:38:51 nothing, i'm just being racist Feb 16 17:39:44 luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.applicationManager/rescan {} Feb 16 17:39:45 oops Feb 16 17:40:04 how long does the emergency file verification thing take? Feb 16 17:40:05 Mousey: I should probably alias that in bashrc Feb 16 17:40:19 ** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, { "returnValue": true } Feb 16 17:40:23 its ok, didn't work anyway Feb 16 17:41:42 well that's plain weird Feb 16 17:41:51 ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps list_installed Feb 16 17:41:54 lists everything Feb 16 17:41:58 launcher is empty Feb 16 17:42:03 >_< Feb 16 17:43:20 damn this EFV has been running for like a good 7 mins now Feb 16 17:44:29 did you have or update some launcher patch? Feb 16 17:46:13 entirely possible, i had at least a few Feb 16 17:47:10 5x4v2, named-pages, wrap pages, probably others Feb 16 17:47:30 I have wrap pages and that didn't do it Feb 16 17:47:52 possibly the named pages patch Feb 16 17:48:21 i donno, it hadn't been updated yet Feb 16 17:48:40 i've since updated it, but nothing. removed it, but nothing Feb 16 17:48:40 I'd try removing all your launcher patches, and if it doesn't fix it, WebOS repair utility on the files those patches touch Feb 16 17:49:00 oh there's gonna be some EPR before too long here inna sec Feb 16 17:49:11 * Mousey polishes his EPR bad Feb 16 17:49:12 I've noticed some patches installed brokenly in the update Feb 16 17:49:16 s/bad/bat/ Feb 16 17:49:42 * Mousey is waiting for ipkg-opt to finish upgrading Feb 16 17:49:48 like I think the hide app vendors patch probably screwed my app catalog, but preware isn't showing it as installed Feb 16 17:50:00 oh yea, love that Feb 16 17:51:27 gonna EPR and maybe webos repair to be safe Feb 16 17:51:43 upgrade season Feb 16 17:52:58 incompatible technologies Feb 16 18:00:19 egaudet: Do you have a minute to answer a few questions about patch's listed in the log, but not applied? Two are aupt-3 One is aupt-1. Feb 16 18:09:33 themeless, still no icons Feb 16 18:10:10 awesome EPR won't stop installing Feb 16 18:17:11 fixed my app catalog Feb 16 18:17:30 golly, sure are a lot of Emergency * * packages these days Feb 16 18:19:02 hmmmm virtual keyboard still gives me md5sum mismatch, after removing, cleanup, EPR Feb 16 18:19:47 hax! Feb 16 18:19:54 Virtual Keyboard Sniffer patch Feb 16 18:31:51 oye Feb 16 18:32:03 hey anyone know why I can't say a damned thing in #webos? Feb 16 18:32:13 maybe you lost your voice? Feb 16 18:32:14 my client keeps telling me I can't send Feb 16 18:32:47 I've never seen such messaging before and obviously I'm not having trouble in this chan Feb 16 18:33:15 I'm able to join, just not speak Feb 16 18:35:44 maybe it's just the nickserv thing Feb 16 18:36:43 Kyusaku: I was getting that yesterday too until I manually updated feed from command line Feb 16 18:37:44 feed? Feb 16 18:37:48 what's the command? I tried ipkg update with no luck Feb 16 18:37:54 oh sorry ha you were addressing Kyusaku Feb 16 18:38:19 Kyusaku are you talking about palm-package? Feb 16 18:38:38 or discussing internals PDK? Feb 16 18:38:51 no an md5sum error Feb 16 18:39:29 you on the Preware team? Feb 16 18:39:45 no Feb 16 18:39:57 okeydoke I Feb 16 18:40:07 I'll let you be, anyhow Feb 16 18:40:17 damn empty launcher Feb 16 18:40:20 egaudet develops for the virtual kb and he's troubleshooting an install issue Feb 16 18:41:10 Mousey: after EPR? Feb 16 18:41:16 Kyusaku: still before.. Feb 16 18:41:20 right on Feb 16 18:41:35 i'm trying some of the other emergency packages first Feb 16 18:43:23 oh hmmm... it finally installed Feb 16 18:43:37 I wonder wth I did Feb 16 18:44:26 alright, nickserv squared away, later! Feb 16 18:50:42 flaky connection Feb 16 18:50:46 i LOVE running top on my PHONE!!!! Feb 16 18:50:56 LOVE LOVE LOVE it Feb 16 18:51:05 it's like porn Feb 16 18:51:43 actually.. i love runinng dstat, too Feb 16 18:52:05 egaudet, finally got vkb installed Feb 16 18:54:34 ok, nothing's worked.. time to EPR Feb 16 18:55:47 Mousey: did I mention patches are evil? Feb 16 18:56:09 like the fru-its of the dev-il Feb 16 18:59:03 * Mousey EPRs Feb 16 19:04:26 i got my replacement pre Feb 16 19:04:30 eventually Feb 16 19:04:42 after they fucked about with the old one for 2 hours because they dont know anything about pre Feb 16 19:04:58 this one looks different though i wonder if its an older or newer one? Feb 16 19:09:53 can GSM phones do the diag codes like ##786#? Feb 16 19:16:28 Official app catalog installs all failing, but preware works lovely. Any correlation? Feb 16 19:23:31 failing how Feb 16 19:23:58 they all install Feb 16 19:23:59 er Feb 16 19:24:05 they all download, and then when it says installing Feb 16 19:24:17 immediately after, i get a "system changes are needed to complete installation, please restart" Feb 16 19:24:23 and one of those restart or cancel popup scenes Feb 16 19:24:28 whether I cancel or not, it fails Feb 16 19:24:30 upon reboot, fail Feb 16 19:24:32 every app Feb 16 19:24:40 in the official catalog that is Feb 16 19:25:17 I haven't checked SDK installs or WOSQI installs, but i suppose I can test those shortly Feb 16 19:27:56 oh yea Feb 16 19:27:59 now it's bricked Feb 16 19:28:05 yay Feb 16 19:28:08 total device failure Feb 16 19:28:12 * Mousey pops battery Feb 16 19:28:22 Mousey, lose Feb 16 19:29:28 yay, its coming back! Feb 16 19:29:36 ..i mean.. we'll see, i guess Feb 16 19:35:20 wild! icons are BACK! Feb 16 19:35:30 horray for not having to doctor! Feb 16 19:36:05 Doctoring went so smooth for me yesterday that it was actually a pleasure :o Feb 16 19:36:19 hi Feb 16 19:36:21 hello Feb 16 19:36:33 FuMan: you need to install emh Feb 16 19:36:44 hey, why is there a /media/cryptfs and a /media/cryptofs? Feb 16 19:37:03 I assume you have not run emh since updating to 1.3.5 Feb 16 19:37:14 dammit Feb 16 19:37:18 i did Dr. awhile back Feb 16 19:37:27 and then upgraded Feb 16 19:37:33 thought my dr was .5, but it wasnt o_O Feb 16 19:37:35 emh? Feb 16 19:37:41 Mousy: did you run ipkg by hand before and typo? Feb 16 19:37:43 doctor then run ESE is clutch Feb 16 19:37:48 destinal: that's likely Feb 16 19:38:04 holy lord Feb 16 19:38:13 there are a lot of emergencies Feb 16 19:38:17 it creates dirs if you do Feb 16 19:38:26 do i want ESE or EMH or ERU? Feb 16 19:38:37 lol Feb 16 19:38:49 EMH Feb 16 19:39:15 whats the WebOS Repair Utility? Feb 16 19:39:24 is there not a recovery method that goes 100 percent stock, 1 step? Feb 16 19:40:03 yep Feb 16 19:40:08 the good Doctor Feb 16 19:40:21 * Mousey hears the Medic from TF2 every time he types that Feb 16 19:40:23 be it dr or full erase or whatever, its always leaving behind /internal /crypto /something Feb 16 19:40:24 nope Feb 16 19:40:25 full erase then doctor only way for 100% stock including media Feb 16 19:40:35 so thats the order Feb 16 19:40:38 full erase, dr Feb 16 19:40:49 Mousey, <--- professional medic Feb 16 19:40:54 then ebay Feb 16 19:40:57 FuMan: wee! Feb 16 19:41:05 who moonlights as a sniper Feb 16 19:41:15 woo! Feb 16 19:41:19 i almost never snipe Feb 16 19:41:25 * Mousey is a bad shot Feb 16 19:41:31 Package manager service will not work their for my preware donlt work Feb 16 19:41:37 i grew up on twitch shooters, so thats kinda my jam Feb 16 19:41:55 but i love getting my heal on O_o Feb 16 19:42:00 totally Feb 16 19:42:22 i'm more of an engy Feb 16 19:42:24 as long as youve got autoheal scripts Feb 16 19:42:31 even the built in heal-lock blows Feb 16 19:42:37 gotta setup some kind of toggle Feb 16 19:42:45 ah Feb 16 19:44:58 egaudet-wirc, I'm back in business, love you long time. Feb 16 19:46:08 FuMan: i've never installed any scripts.. i play entirely in linux. TF2 scripts scare me Feb 16 19:46:32 Mousey: wine? Feb 16 19:46:42 loot-: indeeeeeeed Feb 16 19:46:48 Mousey, got an e-mail you care to share? Feb 16 19:47:00 i havent used steam in linux in several years because the last time i ran it, it killed my game and told me i was cheating by using a process hook and if i continued that i would be banned Feb 16 19:47:04 :( Feb 16 19:47:05 it worked so well the first time i tried it, i just bought teh orange box and everything works Feb 16 19:47:24 loot-: thats weird Feb 16 19:47:34 this was awhile ago though Feb 16 19:47:37 well it's worked well since at least 0.9.52, and i'm running 1.1.38 Feb 16 19:47:37 prior to orange box release Feb 16 19:47:44 it wasnt real wine either Feb 16 19:47:49 it was cedega back then or wineX Feb 16 19:47:52 ah, one of the winex derivs Feb 16 19:47:54 cant remember if it was still wineX or not Feb 16 19:48:01 yah, i haven't tried winex Feb 16 19:48:12 modern wine is better anyways Feb 16 19:48:21 egaudet-wirc: Do you have a second? I have 3 versions of the device menu patches listed in my patches log... none of the three are applied. What all needs to be removed to fully remove them? Can I simply replace the .html and .js (from the DR) then delete them from the log? Feb 16 19:48:23 hell, reactOS is using wine as its base lib now Feb 16 19:48:32 lol Feb 16 19:48:39 i <3 wine Feb 16 19:48:45 http://webos.pastebin.com/m2688f2d7 Feb 16 19:48:45 wonder if we can have wine.arm7 Feb 16 19:48:54 Mousey, theres my heal Feb 16 19:48:57 Mousey: u doubt it Feb 16 19:49:00 er i* Feb 16 19:49:15 until windows runs on arm we wont see wine for arm7 Feb 16 19:49:20 just hit alt to start healing... changing weapons disables it, holding alt temp disables it to switch targets O_o Feb 16 19:49:30 only because it wont execute the PE binary on arm7 regardless of wine or not Feb 16 19:49:33 ooh, its just some binds Feb 16 19:49:39 jah Feb 16 19:49:44 just an alias and a couple binds Feb 16 19:49:53 hah Feb 16 19:50:01 neat Feb 16 19:50:01 my counterstrike source scripts were evil Feb 16 19:50:05 MLJ: I don't recommend manually doing that in general because other patches might have touched same files etc Feb 16 19:50:09 heh.. i'm afraid to be a CS noob Feb 16 19:50:13 back when i could make peoples clients exec stuff Feb 16 19:50:20 i use to make cheaters do awful shit Feb 16 19:50:24 are the patches showing ss installed in preware? Feb 16 19:50:28 any myg0t ever connected? oh they were in for trouble Feb 16 19:50:29 lol Feb 16 19:51:05 egaudet-wirc: No, they are not showing as installed in preware.... let me pastebin some more precise info Feb 16 19:51:17 trolling myg0t trolls has to honestly be one of the most satisfying wastes of time ever Feb 16 19:52:52 if they aren't installed it should be fine. you can install then remove if you want to be certain Feb 16 19:53:41 so (attack of the stupid questions) is the bevy of phone-destroying patch updates the harbinger of a new update? i see no update =/ Feb 16 19:54:13 egaudet-wirc: Well I'm having a hard time finding the exact patches... but I suppose I can install and remove all the device menu patches... http://webos.pastebin.com/ddb04e29 Feb 16 19:56:08 as long as all installed patches are up to date I would not worry Feb 16 19:57:13 egaudet-wirc: Ok, lastly then.... do you really find it all that likely that more than these patches ever touched: devicemenu-scene.html and devicemenu-assistant.js? Feb 16 19:58:13 probably not but if those files aren't stock I'd wonder why Feb 16 19:59:12 Ok, perhaps I'll A) leave it alone or B) make a backup of those 2 files and the log... then make my changes. Are there any other files I should be changing? Feb 16 20:21:28 i got my replacement pre Feb 16 20:21:31 i got a question Feb 16 20:21:35 it looks different Feb 16 20:22:06 and im wondering if its an older or newer build Feb 16 20:22:50 what does device info say? Feb 16 20:22:58 sec Feb 16 20:23:17 what do u need to know from device menu Feb 16 20:24:09 well I would just say look at the version number, there's not really any other build notation that I'm aware of heh Feb 16 20:24:27 unless you're talking about physical hardware Feb 16 20:24:31 hardware version a Feb 16 20:24:34 anyone have any idea why I now have one more directory in /media/cryptofs/apps/usr ..the original one is "palm" and the new one is "palm/\" ? Feb 16 20:24:53 yeah, mine is hardware version a too and it's oooooold Feb 16 20:24:59 ill tell u why its different- the earpiece part the little rectangle on the top has a white piece of plastic- my old one had metal mesh Feb 16 20:25:15 weird Feb 16 20:25:20 I haven't seen a metal mesh Feb 16 20:25:37 yours has the plastic? Feb 16 20:25:40 yep Feb 16 20:25:47 hmm wonder what my other one was then Feb 16 20:26:00 the keyboard on this is more springy as is the power button Feb 16 20:26:04 rwhitby: anyone have any idea why I now have one more directory in /media/cryptofs/apps/usr ..the original one is "palm" and the new one is "palm/\" ? The last thing I did was update preware and update all my patches. Feb 16 20:26:09 both were brand new Feb 16 20:26:17 egaudet: anyone have any idea why I now have one more directory in /media/cryptofs/apps/usr ..the original one is "palm" and the new one is "palm/\" ? The last thing I did was update preware and update all my patches. Feb 16 20:27:10 oh one thing i noticed- the build is better remember i said the other one scratched the shit out of the back mirrow, the slider? this one is fine Feb 16 20:27:56 navinag: I dont' ahve a palm / Feb 16 20:28:01 \ Whats in it? Feb 16 20:28:02 if thats the case Feb 16 20:28:06 i have the protection plan Feb 16 20:28:09 im about to back up my phone Feb 16 20:28:13 and go "accidentally" drop it Feb 16 20:28:19 rofl Feb 16 20:28:26 i have like the first gen of the pre Feb 16 20:28:31 and the slider mechanism is shot Feb 16 20:28:35 MLJ: it is a mirror if the palm directory. Feb 16 20:28:48 hard to open/close now and it wobbles constantly when the slider is closed Feb 16 20:28:53 so anytime im using the touchscreen Feb 16 20:28:56 how many gens are there, you mean build right? Feb 16 20:29:00 the damn thing is wobbling all over making it hard to use Feb 16 20:29:05 not as in pre and pre plus Feb 16 20:29:16 iSmite: ya not full on generations but just release generation i guess Feb 16 20:29:23 do you know how many there are Feb 16 20:29:26 hmm, I wonder if they are putting the new keyboard in non-pluses Feb 16 20:29:31 now? i dunno Feb 16 20:29:34 navinag: odd, But you'll have to ask someone with more knowledge than I... Feb 16 20:29:39 awhile ago there were like 3 i think Feb 16 20:29:51 iSmite: how much flash does it have? Feb 16 20:29:55 i was one of those people that had to have the pre as soon as it came out so i got one of the first ones Feb 16 20:30:12 well the other pre i had that didnt have the white plastic- the keyboard u couldnt tell if u were pressing it or not and the slider wrecked the mirror this one dont have those issues Feb 16 20:30:12 MLJ: I have asked rwhity and egaudet Feb 16 20:30:21 MLJ: no response yet Feb 16 20:30:31 well Feb 16 20:30:34 flash? Feb 16 20:30:36 my protection plan is going to get put to good use Feb 16 20:30:52 i pay for it... might as well use it considering i never have Feb 16 20:30:56 ? Feb 16 20:31:12 jaques- what do you mean Feb 16 20:31:18 jacques sorry Feb 16 20:31:26 iSmite: probably referring to the NAND Feb 16 20:31:35 ah u may wanna translate that for me Feb 16 20:31:39 what do i lok for Feb 16 20:31:59 he's probably just looking at df output or something Feb 16 20:32:23 i wasnt aware that they had done anything to the actual components or boards of the pre's for the later releases Feb 16 20:32:29 well im happy its not gonna scratch the shit out of the mirror Feb 16 20:32:36 i think they just improved the chassis and slider mechanism Feb 16 20:32:36 the other one was ruined in one day Feb 16 20:33:02 egaudet-wirc: I ran an examdiff.. On those two files.. they were the same when compared to the ones I pulled form the DR. The .orig Had the patches applied however... I removed the .oirg's and deleted the info from the log. Is there any other preware files I need to edit? Feb 16 20:34:23 egaudet-wirc: anyone have any idea why I now have one more directory in /media/cryptofs/apps/usr ..the original one is "palm" and the new one is "palm/\" ? The last thing I did was update preware and update all my patches. Feb 16 20:34:27 iSmite: in device info, what does it say for "Memory" ? Feb 16 20:35:13 8gb Feb 16 20:35:43 ok, thanks. that's the norman Pre (non-plus) amount Feb 16 20:35:52 s/man/mal/ Feb 16 20:35:52 jacques meant: ok, thanks. that's the normal Pre (non-plus) amount Feb 16 20:36:28 yeah i know..dont get u there i wasnt saying i had a pre plus lol Feb 16 20:36:54 it seems like you have the new keyboard tho Feb 16 20:37:06 well maybe my last pre was just shit Feb 16 20:37:18 and this is a normal kb Feb 16 20:38:32 my seidio case is bollocksed also Feb 16 20:38:39 tabs have all snapped off Feb 16 20:39:12 should be fine mlj Feb 16 20:39:18 and i still want 1.3.2.1 minus activation check but i cant figure out how to use metadr Feb 16 20:39:29 5.1 sorry Feb 16 20:46:49 I have a Pre and Pixi that I am looking to run over WIFI only without having to Activate. Is this supported out-of-the-box? Feb 16 20:54:38 great thanks egaudet-wirc Feb 16 21:43:32 Using the Lighty Web Server which directory should I place HTML files in to view them when I type 'localhost' in a browser? Feb 16 21:47:09 Ah got it Feb 16 21:47:10 never mind Feb 16 22:05:10 usually /var/www/html? Feb 16 22:05:18 At least that's on Debian Feb 16 22:05:38 jsllv, did you get an answer? Feb 16 22:06:16 no Feb 16 22:06:19 I would imagine since they have WiFi, you can use that over EVDO, without the EVDO being activated... Then you could use Skype to make your calls. Feb 16 22:06:37 Well, when Skype becomes available, unless you want to use IM+ Feb 16 22:07:11 i can't seem to get past the failed activation screen - i am just looking to connect to Exchange over wifi and not EVDO Feb 16 22:07:19 (BoomerET: seems in this case it is /media/internal/www/) Feb 16 22:07:40 Thanks SqyArc, that will come in handy. Feb 16 22:08:01 You just want the Pre, just not using the Phone? Feb 16 22:08:16 correct Feb 16 22:08:32 Seems like that would be a stolen Pre, not that I'm making judgement of course. Feb 16 22:09:07 We all have our little quirks I'm sure :) Far be it from me to call anyone a fruitcake! Feb 16 22:09:09 dBsooner: you around? Feb 16 22:09:29 * SqyArc eats jsllvn Feb 16 22:09:30 no just doing some exchange activesync development - i believe we brought them direct from palm - i really don't want to have to activate them Feb 16 22:10:30 Then I'm useless for your questions, sorry. I don't know how to get past the activation part. Good luck Feb 16 22:10:36 thanks! Feb 16 22:11:02 My days are spent in Glade/GTK+ these days, wish I had time for webOS development. Feb 16 22:11:20 And yes, I get paid for that! Feb 16 22:13:09 good god audio playback is buggy :/ Feb 16 22:15:08 VincentLaw: The Music App (remixed included) is one of my biggest problems with WebOS. It's incredibly laggy and system intensive for what it is Feb 16 22:15:36 all I'm trying to do is add some basic sound effects to my slot machine Feb 16 22:15:46 Ah Feb 16 22:15:57 except for some reason, every time I install my package to the pre, I have to delete the old one, or will not play one of my sounds Feb 16 22:16:12 it will work /perfectly/ if I delete the old package first, but if I just install on top, it doesn't Feb 16 22:24:17 jsllvn: You can use metadoctor to make a custom installer image that eliminates the requirement to activate Feb 16 22:25:41 metadoctor can do other things too like set up dev mode and usbnet by default without having to enter in the konami code and usbnet enable, respectively Feb 16 22:29:22 thank you - i will look into that Feb 16 22:38:56 morning Feb 16 22:44:37 navinag: what's inside your palm/\ dir ? Feb 16 22:50:01 * Mousey spends all day reinstalling patches Feb 16 22:52:43 morning rwhitby Feb 16 22:54:11 morning JackieRipper Feb 16 22:54:14 whoops Feb 16 22:54:20 Morning jacques Feb 16 22:55:13 rwhitby: it is basically points to the palm directory all sub directories under have the "\/" and all point to the original.. It looks like some sort of hard link.. Feb 16 22:55:54 rwhitby: looks like redundant directories... Feb 16 22:56:06 morning ka6sox-work Feb 16 22:56:23 rwhitby: they all point to the actual directory if I CD to them... Feb 16 22:56:38 biab - testing code changes Feb 16 23:00:22 rwhitby: http://webos.pastebin.com/d608c73ce check out the pastebin Feb 16 23:02:01 navinag: looks like ledtorch is the only one at the leaf level with the \/ - I'd look at ledtorch first Feb 16 23:02:12 See line 62 of your pastebin Feb 16 23:02:55 rwhitby: yes i noticed that Feb 16 23:03:16 rwhitby: how would this have happened Feb 16 23:08:06 rwhitby: i deleted LED TORCH and all is weel now....That wasv ery weird Feb 16 23:08:36 rwhitby: not sure how that might have happened. I will reinstall LED TORCH and see if the same thing happens Feb 16 23:10:57 rwhitby: reinstall LED TORCH and all is still fine Feb 16 23:11:24 egaudet: http://webos.pastebin.com/d608c73ce - any ideas? See line 62. Feb 16 23:11:38 nite * Feb 16 23:13:17 navinag: there was a bad build of ledtorch not to long ago remove/reinstall latest and all should be fine Feb 16 23:13:54 sslow: Just did that and all was fine.... Feb 16 23:14:52 I've never seen that Feb 16 23:15:35 so musta just been a bad package with those dirs Feb 16 23:16:20 egaudet:-wirc: yes but how was that directory created? Any Ideas? Feb 16 23:17:01 whatever dirs are in the ipk will get extracted as is Feb 16 23:17:34 and in the pastebin you weren't cd ing to the bad dirs it doesn't look Feb 16 23:18:17 cd'ing to the bad dirs will just cd to the real one, since \/ is equivalent to / on the linux command line Feb 16 23:18:18 egaidet-wirc: No the were the actual directories....Looks like some sort of hard link Feb 16 23:18:19 front slash is escape char so you would have had to double frontslash I believe Feb 16 23:18:38 navinag: it happened cause of a bug in the package Feb 16 23:18:47 nothing to do with patches or EPR Feb 16 23:19:02 it's frontslash that the cd was nissing Feb 16 23:19:02 missing* Feb 16 23:19:03 right Feb 16 23:19:30 rwhitby: Yes...it appears so Feb 16 23:19:48 egaudet-wirc: so what's the buzz on aupt-3 - working well? just the usual couple of people with historical broken patch installs? Feb 16 23:20:10 rwhitby: Just noticed it though right after the patch updates.... thats all...I figured that would be the first place to start poking around Feb 16 23:20:22 thanks for the help guys Feb 16 23:20:37 navinag: yep, no worries - you were able to get the debug info to quickly track down the real reason Feb 16 23:21:48 navinag, to be clear cd a, cd a/ and cd a\/ all translate to exactly the same dir. You wanted to cd a\\ to get to the ¨bad¨ dirs that the package created Feb 16 23:22:09 rwhitby, yea thatÅ› what it seems like. I personally think people should just doctor and then ESE Feb 16 23:40:16 hrm Feb 16 23:40:22 does the newest Preware still list .22? Feb 16 23:40:35 in the app Feb 16 23:40:51 ? Feb 16 23:40:57 Latest Preware is 0.9.26 Feb 16 23:41:14 weird Feb 16 23:41:21 preware claims im up to date Feb 16 23:41:29 but on the main scene, and in about, im .22 Feb 16 23:41:44 Is there a way to save my rsa passphrase for a session, so i don't have to enter 42 characters each git pull/push? Feb 16 23:42:06 you could push it using sshpass Feb 16 23:42:39 make a little script that's like rsa which exports to RSAKEY Feb 16 23:42:53 then alias git to be sshpass -p ${RSAKEY} blah Feb 16 23:43:22 FuMan: what is the URL under webos-internals in your Manage Feeds page Feb 16 23:43:45 zsoc: agent forwarding Feb 16 23:43:52 sampson: interesting, ty Feb 16 23:44:04 rwhitby: last article i read on agent forwarding left brain dripping out of my eyes Feb 16 23:44:06 yep Feb 16 23:44:15 sampson: google ssh-agent and ssh-add Feb 16 23:44:21 http://sourceforge.net/projects/sshpass/ Feb 16 23:44:39 rwhitby: just quotin what i use for scripts on servers Feb 16 23:44:55 ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/all Feb 16 23:44:58 sampson: when you could just use ssh-agent and ssh-add instead :-) Feb 16 23:45:10 i have two Feb 16 23:45:14 most of these are unattended scripts Feb 16 23:45:19 the lower is -internals/ar.. Feb 16 23:45:22 im assuming arm7 Feb 16 23:45:27 sampson: yep, the use case that ssh-add supports Feb 16 23:45:35 i would have to establish an entire bash session to use it properly Feb 16 23:45:37 from cron Feb 16 23:45:45 rwhitby: what did we decide my app id's were going to be? org.webosinternals.codecs.{}? Feb 16 23:45:59 zsoc: .gstcodecs.* Feb 16 23:46:16 kk Feb 16 23:46:18 aw the linux sdk only works in ubuntu Feb 16 23:46:20 i hate that shit Feb 16 23:46:22 sampson: how does your cron script get $RSAKEY ? Feb 16 23:46:26 and, full disclosure, i had some errors earlier installing apps from the catalog, which required EMH to solve Feb 16 23:46:32 rwhitby: export Feb 16 23:46:42 so, perhaps that relates to my version number issues Feb 16 23:46:44 although usually it's defined at the start Feb 16 23:47:18 sampson: I don't see why ssh-add can't be used for that situation, but obviously you're invested in your custom solution. Feb 16 23:47:31 like USER="user"; PASS="password"; ADDRESS="address"; sshpass -p ${PASSWORD} rsync -azrpu -e ssh /home/blah ${USER}@${ADDRESS}:/home/blah Feb 16 23:48:16 sampson: http://www.akadia.com/services/ssh_agent.html Feb 16 23:48:54 that will save you writing your passphrase in a script, which is as bad as not having a passphrase at all Feb 16 23:49:19 rwhitby: these scripts are in directories only the user responsible (always super) can get to Feb 16 23:49:27 700 etc Feb 16 23:49:35 rwhitby: should headless apps have a type, main, icon, etc? Feb 16 23:50:04 even being keyed up though it's just as insecure Feb 16 23:50:12 if someone can grab your private key they can jump on Feb 16 23:50:25 also sshpass has a handy feature where if the host isn't in known hosts it'll auto add Feb 16 23:51:41 sampson: so that mitm attacks can automatically succed? Feb 16 23:53:09 * zsoc is teh mitm masta ;) Feb 16 23:58:10 bleh this doesnt make sense Feb 16 23:58:13 how would it be a mitm Feb 16 23:58:18 it still negotiates via ssh Feb 16 23:58:24 and the script can't execute unless it's root Feb 16 23:58:29 audio playback thrown in a setTimeout does not play? Feb 17 00:01:41 rwhitby: so.. i need an icon Feb 17 00:01:48 rwhitby: not for the app, for the package Feb 17 00:05:00 rwhitby: and i'm ridiculously lost with this autobuilder makefile, i'll no doubt need you to tidy it up when i push Feb 17 00:06:13 rwhitby, did i fail the URL test earlier? Feb 17 00:08:56 FuMan: no, that's correct. Did you update feeds? Feb 17 00:09:15 zsoc: yep, or just use the default webos-internals icon until you get a better one. Feb 17 00:09:38 zsoc: just push it in unreleased/gsmwav/Makefile and I'll take a look at it Feb 17 00:10:12 sampson: the host key check is to prevent a remote host masquerading as the one you want to contact. Feb 17 00:10:40 you're meant to check the fingerprint to verify the authenticity of the remote host, to prevent mitm attacks. Feb 17 00:11:57 rwhitby: oh, i have it in nonworking, i'll move it Feb 17 00:12:17 zsoc: I guess nonworking is fine if it's not working yet Feb 17 00:12:21 :D Feb 17 00:17:56 are there still any deals on the Pre or Pixi in the US? Feb 17 00:18:12 rwhitby: being a packaging monkey sucks :> Feb 17 00:23:38 rwhitby: the host check still occurs?? Feb 17 00:23:51 if the key changes from the one in known_hosts sshpass will still fail Feb 17 00:24:05 sampson: but the very first one is auto-accepted, no? Feb 17 00:24:19 so you didn't check the fingerprint Feb 17 00:25:12 rwhitby: in the meantime, sanity check on my control files please Feb 17 00:25:30 zsoc: they're in the source repo? Feb 17 00:25:57 rwhitby: in gstcodec/gsmwav.git yeah Feb 17 00:26:06 s/gstcodec/gstcodecs/ Feb 17 00:26:07 zsoc meant: rwhitby: in gstcodecs/gsmwav.git yeah Feb 17 00:28:39 rwhitby: should i be calling this a plugin? i just realized that's probably the most obvious description Feb 17 00:29:54 rwhitby: what package am i depending on? org.webosinternals.widk? Feb 17 00:30:09 rwhitby: feh Feb 17 00:30:27 considering these servers are all on the same network internally which they use to access Feb 17 00:30:33 to even own the script would require an owned box Feb 17 00:30:50 which grsec or something else would notify me of first Feb 17 00:33:04 rwhitby: build makefile pushed Feb 17 00:33:35 sampson: ok, so you're in a secure local network. Feb 17 00:33:37 does anyone have a minute or two to help me out with a patch problem Feb 17 00:33:43 d Feb 17 00:34:04 skinneejay: webos.pastebin.com the webos-patches.log file Feb 17 00:34:11 so is EFV to be run after or before updating to aupt3 Feb 17 00:35:04 ? Feb 17 00:36:38 wow this makes no sense Feb 17 00:36:38 did I do that right? I'm a newbie when it comes to IRC stuff Feb 17 00:37:08 one mp3 will play in my app just fine, the other won't when called the exact same way, encoded the same way, and played in the same exact place >.> Feb 17 00:37:44 skinneejay: do what right? you didn't seem to do anything... Feb 17 00:39:10 I went to webos.pastebin.com and pasted in my webos patches log Feb 17 00:39:59 Hi guys. I'm having a problem regarding a "stuck" patch. It's the Hide App Vendors patch that didn't uninstall completely, and now my App Catalog is not showing any apps. Feb 17 00:40:19 skinneejay: oh yes i see. generally it is customary to paste the url back in the channel ;) but yes we see it here Feb 17 00:40:35 sorry. haha Feb 17 00:41:10 I just don't know what to do with the 5 patches at the top of the log. Feb 17 00:41:23 skinneejay: you need to paste the URL it gives you back here Feb 17 00:41:31 zsoc: wait, do we have another emergency something ? Feb 17 00:41:45 destinal: huh? did you miscomplete me? Feb 17 00:41:55 http://webos.pastebin.com/m2916d908 Feb 17 00:42:23 zsoc: not miscomplete but maybe asking the wrong person :) Feb 17 00:42:40 skinneejay: for any ca.canucksoftware.patches onces you need to use webos quick install to update them Feb 17 00:43:12 I did install via quick install with 3.01 Feb 17 00:43:14 for any aupt-1 patches, you should uninstall and reinstall Feb 17 00:43:25 patching is horrible Feb 17 00:43:27 awful Feb 17 00:43:34 EFV? Feb 17 00:43:58 That's the problem. I can't seem to find the aupt 1 patches on my phone. Feb 17 00:44:03 They are not showing up at all. Feb 17 00:46:34 install them then remove them. Feb 17 00:46:54 for example the misc-launch brightness unlinked on luna was installed via preware and uninstalled with preware but still shows up in the log. Feb 17 00:49:27 What should I do regarding my problem? Named pages, Hide App Vendors, and Landscape Messaging are all "stuck" patches. Feb 17 00:49:49 is my best bet running an EPR and reinstall everything via preware and Quick install? Feb 17 01:00:36 rwhitby: so how wrong are all my control files / packaging magic? Feb 17 01:09:43 zsoc: you forgot the usr/palm/applications part of the install path Feb 17 01:10:10 * Mousey hypnotizes his pre into thinking it's a user-agent:iPhone Feb 17 01:10:18 $IPKG_OFFLINE_ROOT/usr/palm/applications/$PID/$GSMLIB Feb 17 01:10:57 Does webkit have anything as cool as XUL extensions? Feb 17 01:10:58 zsoc: is the .a file required? Feb 17 01:11:18 looks like the VZ pixi is free w/ contract Feb 17 01:11:19 zsoc: how does Palm's gst-inspect know to look in /usr/local ? Feb 17 01:11:38 rwhitby: generally I would think no, but I seem to remember specifically that it's needed from xenoph0bes testing. Feb 17 01:11:52 rwhitby: and gst-inspect checks /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10 Feb 17 01:12:02 rwhitby: which is why the dep is on the widk package Feb 17 01:12:10 it looks like the webkit plugin API is not anything special, no reason I know of to use it over NPAPI, and still, no extensions (afaik) Feb 17 01:12:12 zsoc: but not /usr/local/lib/gstreamer-0.10 ? Feb 17 01:12:34 rwhitby: yes, i see i forgot a /lib/ :p Feb 17 01:12:52 rwhitby: but no, gst-inspect looks to register from /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/ Feb 17 01:13:10 zsoc: but we're installing into /usr/local/lib/gstreamer-0.10 Feb 17 01:13:15 how will it see them there? Feb 17 01:13:19 rwhitby: bind mount won't take care of that? Feb 17 01:13:29 zsoc: bind mount creates /usr/local/lib Feb 17 01:13:40 * zsoc ponders Feb 17 01:14:24 rwhitby: so do i need to have this postinst make another bind mount? Feb 17 01:14:34 zsoc: you can't bind mount over /usr/lib Feb 17 01:14:41 rwhitby: that's what i thought Feb 17 01:14:54 rwhitby: and i can't install into /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10 because... ? Feb 17 01:15:20 zsoc: because /usr/lib is used by Palm Feb 17 01:15:36 what if they decided to add a /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10 directory? Feb 17 01:15:46 rwhitby: that directory is already there Feb 17 01:15:49 rwhitby: but that file is not Feb 17 01:16:20 zsoc: sounds like you want to drop a symlink into that existing directory then Feb 17 01:16:39 rwhitby: oh. ok then. Feb 17 01:16:47 (and hope that Palm never releases a gsmwav file with a filename that collides with yours or all hell with break loose Feb 17 01:16:57 zsoc: can you name your filename something with a unique name? Feb 17 01:17:24 * zsoc thinks carefully Feb 17 01:17:26 e.g. /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgsmwave-org-webosinternals-gstcodecs.so or something? Feb 17 01:17:40 rwhitby: yes, the name of the symlink is indifferent Feb 17 01:17:59 zsoc: so how does gst-inspect find it? Feb 17 01:18:33 rwhitby: it loads every .so in the default gstreamer lib directory Feb 17 01:18:48 rwhitby: er, _tries_ to, and if there's an error, it spouts it out and goes to the next one Feb 17 01:19:10 zsoc: sounds like you have a solution then. symlink it into there with a suitable packageid name Feb 17 01:19:28 rwhitby: k, i'm going to leave the file in /usr/local with the original binary name, if that's ok Feb 17 01:19:29 zsoc: no need for the widk dependency then Feb 17 01:19:53 rwhitby: er... ok, and let me try to double test for the necessity for the other .a lib Feb 17 01:20:06 zsoc: no, the original file just lives in /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.gstcodecs.*/... Feb 17 01:20:18 rwhitby: ah i see Feb 17 01:20:22 rwhitby: that makes more sense Feb 17 01:20:45 and symlink that directly into /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgsmwav-org-webosinternals-gstcodecs.so (or some similar name that makes sense) Feb 17 01:20:51 rwhitby: i've never tried to register plugins from a symlinked crpytofs... i wonder what that would do Feb 17 01:21:04 guess i'll find out :) Feb 17 01:21:21 zsoc: should be no different. you're not going to be trying to register or use when the USB drive is mounted (since you can't click on the screen) Feb 17 01:23:16 rpath won´t work? Feb 17 01:23:58 egaudet_: gst-inspect is a palm binary, unchanged. Feb 17 01:24:40 so let´s rebuild it... Feb 17 01:25:00 egaudet_: I think we should avoid that if possible Feb 17 01:25:37 avoid interaction problems in case of update Feb 17 01:26:24 rwhitby: not a palm binary, an untouched gstreamer utility/binary Feb 17 01:26:37 egaudet: and no, rebuilding it is a terrible idea, and won't work Feb 17 01:26:52 gst-inspect doesn't _do_ the registering, it just triggers it Feb 17 01:27:10 egaudet: anyway, thank you for your suggestion. symlink is the best idea here i believe. Feb 17 01:27:23 * egaudet_ back to wirc Feb 17 01:28:04 the symlink with a unique name solution seems safest in this instance. just like we do for service .jars and upstart scripts and profile.d scripts. Feb 17 01:28:11 rwhitby: gst-inspect is not my only worry either. typefind, decodebin, and other various magiks done by gstreamer core have to be able to follow the symlink properly also. I see no reason why it won't/cant, just never tried it Feb 17 01:28:15 (so we know it's a safe solution) Feb 17 01:29:04 zsoc: symlinks are preferred, unless you can prove that they simply will not work (as is proven for /etc/event.d scripts) - we don't want to fill up the / partition any more than we have to Feb 17 01:29:32 rwhitby: what I _CAN_ do however, for safety, is recompile the binary with a RANK 0, so if in the future palm adds a binary that does the same thing, even with a different name, their binary will get pulled first by typefind/decodebin Feb 17 01:30:10 zsoc: that sounds perfect Feb 17 01:31:01 rwhitby: luckily enough, in the case of gst plugins, the name of the binary can be completely arbitrary, it's the information registered. I suppose, in theory, I could even recompile the plugin using non-standard descriptors and origins, as to not stop an identical plugin of more 'original' nature from being registered along side of it Feb 17 01:31:33 You've gotten me thinking safety first, I think it's becoming an obsession D: Feb 17 01:39:02 * oil gives zsoc an intervention Feb 17 01:39:18 oil: what are you doing these days? Feb 17 01:39:31 oil: besides quips Feb 17 01:39:34 nothing really Feb 17 01:39:35 lol Feb 17 01:39:59 oil: well do something :P Feb 17 01:40:16 eh Feb 17 01:40:35 i was thinking about making preware hide the price option if none of the packages have a price Feb 17 01:40:42 and, because i dont want to look at it Feb 17 01:40:48 genius Feb 17 01:40:50 lol Feb 17 01:41:56 but i upgraded to windows 7 so i gotta re-do all the git/sdk/etc stuff Feb 17 01:42:10 have fun with that Feb 17 01:42:16 lol Feb 17 01:43:54 * Mousey struggles with jabber plugin Feb 17 01:44:07 * oil tells mousey to get a room Feb 17 01:46:09 grr Feb 17 01:46:12 is anyone else seeing a bug in imageView on ares,where when you flick to the left/right photo you cannot flick back to the other left/right photo, only to the centre image Feb 17 01:46:41 is it a bug, or not using it correctly? Feb 17 01:47:26 I'm not sure, I've tried multiple times with the same results but maybe its just me Feb 17 01:49:59 http://tinyurl.com/y8fdtjg is how preware does it Feb 17 01:50:09 afaik it doesn't have that problem Feb 17 01:51:41 ok thanks, ares likes to do imageView with the palette automaticaly but ill try manual way Feb 17 01:51:52 oil: yo Feb 17 01:51:58 aye Feb 17 01:52:06 oil: is there a way to make a hyperlink purely in css Feb 17 01:52:16 no Feb 17 01:52:24 damn Feb 17 01:52:28 its either html or javascript Feb 17 01:52:37 an or onclick=dosomething Feb 17 01:52:53 css just determines how things look Feb 17 01:52:57 never how they act Feb 17 01:54:47 lol, i had to manually add java to my path to use the sdk Feb 17 01:54:58 Puff: You could make it look like a link....it just wouldn't do anything Feb 17 01:55:15 PuffTheMagic_: hey, you asked a zsoc question Feb 17 01:59:49 oh, the tv show Feb 17 02:01:25 when Feb 17 02:08:34 rwhitby: er... proper syntax for symlinking to a different name? do i have to touch it first? or just ln -s /path/binary-funnyname.so /path/originalbinary.so ? Feb 17 02:08:55 thats fine Feb 17 02:09:12 tho it's backwards Feb 17 02:09:17 .... Feb 17 02:09:19 then it's not fine Feb 17 02:09:33 ln -s /path/originalbinary.so /path/binary-funnyname.so Feb 17 02:09:42 Mousey: ty Feb 17 02:09:45 np Feb 17 02:11:45 no need to touch Feb 17 02:11:47 <_< Feb 17 02:11:55 Mousey: yes i gathered :P Feb 17 02:11:57 ^_6 Feb 17 02:12:01 augh, my eye! Feb 17 02:12:06 i swear i don't do that on purpose Feb 17 02:17:52 greaaaaaaat Feb 17 02:17:54 2010-02-17T02:17:19.449127Z [581] palm-webos-device kern.warning kernel: [ 581.430000] EXT3-fs warning: maximal mount count reached, running e2fsck is recommended Feb 17 02:17:58 NOW WAT! D= Feb 17 02:20:45 how do i fsck my filesystems? Feb 17 02:20:48 just reboot? Feb 17 02:21:07 Mousey: or... run e2fsck ? Feb 17 02:22:00 * Mousey tries rebooting first Feb 17 02:25:41 didn't fsck on reboot Feb 17 02:26:35 wonderful. doesn't tell me what fs either Feb 17 02:27:34 Mousey: i'm imaging ext3? Feb 17 02:27:39 imagining also Feb 17 02:27:42 yes Feb 17 02:27:45 but there's 3 Feb 17 02:27:53 Mousey: the 3rd, i assume Feb 17 02:28:16 um Feb 17 02:28:37 crap, there's 4 ext3 fs's Feb 17 02:28:52 rwhitby: sanity check on new control files plz Feb 17 02:29:03 Mousey: check all of them? Feb 17 02:29:09 live? Feb 17 02:29:12 bad idea Feb 17 02:29:55 "Don't worry about this message, though. It's perfectly normal. Even if you do cleanly shutdown every time, there's always that chance that some filesystem corruption has crept in. So each filesystem stores the number of times you've mounted it since you did an fsck (filesystem check) and automatically forces one at those points. " Feb 17 02:30:03 tune2fs is on there, so i could concievably set their mount counts to $ENORMOUS, and then reboot, but it doesn't seem that WebOS fsck's on reboot Feb 17 02:30:27 Mousey: probably true, since it's ssd they probably decided it's unnecessary... Feb 17 02:30:43 but SSD and filesystem realities disagreee! Feb 17 02:30:44 zsoc: still missing the .../usr/palm/applications/... Feb 17 02:30:58 rwhitby: in the build Makefile you mean? Feb 17 02:31:05 zsoc: in the postinst Feb 17 02:31:10 how do i unpatch a patch that does't show up on the list? Feb 17 02:31:20 and GSMLIB and LIBINSTALL vars are now superfluous Feb 17 02:31:41 rwhitby: i have a feeling i'm going to have to readd them Feb 17 02:31:47 zsoc: and the ln -s will fail on an update, so you need to rm -f $GSTLIBSYM first Feb 17 02:32:02 rwhitby: tests on x86 on a drastically different filesystem show it has no external dependencies, but i believe otherwise on webos :P Feb 17 02:32:06 (ln -s errors if the target already exists) Feb 17 02:32:12 rwhitby: k Feb 17 02:32:40 zsoc: prerm has a typo - GSTGSMSYM vs GSTGSMLIB Feb 17 02:32:57 kk Feb 17 02:33:10 zsoc: and the value doesn't match the postinst name Feb 17 02:33:16 * zsoc (this is why he debugs things, and doesn't do anything from scratch) Feb 17 02:33:59 dtzWill: yo Feb 17 02:35:22 * raster lurks Feb 17 02:36:53 wtf is (offline root mode: not running org.webosinternals.messagingpatch.prerm) Feb 17 02:37:10 * Mousey waves fist! o/ Feb 17 02:37:49 rwhitby: one more time please :) Feb 17 02:38:18 Mousey: ipkg doesn't run postinst's and prerm's with -o, which is the only way you can run it :) Feb 17 02:38:31 raster: lurking? in here? totally boring. you don't even have a webos phone :P Feb 17 02:38:58 zsoc: just noticing this in the --help Feb 17 02:39:00 that's pointless! Feb 17 02:39:14 Mousey: no it's not... Feb 17 02:39:16 grr Feb 17 02:39:21 zsoc: i can still lurk! Feb 17 02:39:30 Mousey: you need to run the script manually Feb 17 02:39:35 Mousey: that's why you need an "advanced installer" to use patches... Feb 17 02:39:37 don't forget the IPKG_OFFLINE_ROOT var Feb 17 02:39:53 raster: yes, please do :) i just can't imagine it's too enjoyable lol Feb 17 02:42:42 * Mousey uses woqi, like a MAN Feb 17 02:43:35 has anyone ever had a problem after doctoring where there is no dialtone? Feb 17 02:43:43 I can receive phone calls but can't hear anything or maybe talk myself Feb 17 02:43:44 * Mousey sings o/' livin on the edge!! o/' Feb 17 02:43:46 but I can text fine Feb 17 02:43:57 reboot? Feb 17 02:44:02 just rebooted Feb 17 02:44:04 can't update prl Feb 17 02:44:12 Mousey: did you get into some situation where you needed fsck? Feb 17 02:44:16 * zsoc has never had a dialtone... Feb 17 02:44:27 haha @zsoc Feb 17 02:44:41 destinal-wirc: i was tailing /var/log/messages, and it says the/some FS(es) have reached maximal mount count Feb 17 02:45:00 they're ext3, so it means not /media Feb 17 02:45:12 ah Feb 17 02:45:20 *worry* Feb 17 02:45:53 ext3 doesn't need that much Feb 17 02:46:19 ext3 will be eaten by bears if you're not nice with it Feb 17 02:46:26 fsck is for sissies ;) Feb 17 02:46:48 it makes me curious what the phone's policy for fs sanitation is Feb 17 02:46:58 you could boot installer uimage and fsck if feel better Feb 17 02:47:17 i'm not sure that was a complete sentence Feb 17 02:47:57 on pre Feb 17 02:48:04 pluse i've been writing to it a LOT today Feb 17 02:48:05 gimme a break Feb 17 02:48:09 plus, even Feb 17 02:48:16 :P Feb 17 02:48:29 writing and rebooting and luna restarting Feb 17 02:48:35 * Mousey is headed for a crash Feb 17 02:48:37 ;_; Feb 17 02:49:14 you could have bootie boot the installer image doctor uses, over usb Feb 17 02:49:18 novaterm in Feb 17 02:49:26 run fsck by hand Feb 17 02:49:45 LIVE BOOTING WEBOS? Feb 17 02:49:48 THAT'S UNPOSSIBLE Feb 17 02:49:49 hawt Feb 17 02:50:02 check last resort page Feb 17 02:50:13 just skip omap3 usb boot Feb 17 02:50:27 and go to novacom boot step Feb 17 02:50:35 * zsoc wishes rwhitby didn't actually have a job, and could check his git pushes in an unreasonably fast manner Feb 17 02:50:37 We need a bot to replace rod Feb 17 02:50:57 who can sanchk pushes/pastebins, and build testing feed packages Feb 17 02:52:09 great. now the phone radio is wigging out Feb 17 02:52:14 i think it's time to go home Feb 17 02:52:15 ttyl Feb 17 02:56:32 zsoc: actually, it would be good if you could test the packages yourself before asking (e.g. use webos quick install to test installing and removing them and seeing if postinst and prerm works) Feb 17 02:57:19 rwhitby: there we go, a useful doityourself solution Feb 17 02:57:29 * zsoc has never used the palm sdk and has no idea how to package things Feb 17 02:57:54 zsoc: "make package" in the build.git will get you a package that wosqi can install and remove Feb 17 02:58:02 genius Feb 17 02:58:02 ty Feb 17 02:58:08 * zsoc goes back to his corner Feb 17 02:58:36 * rwhitby notes that there are intentionally extremely few things that depend solely on rwhitby Feb 17 02:59:03 * zsoc notes this **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Feb 17 02:59:58 2010