**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Feb 17 02:59:58 2010 Feb 17 03:06:18 greetings. Feb 17 03:06:33 yello Feb 17 03:08:08 per http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Updating_webOS_Versions I am trying to get a list of preware installed apps and patches from the shell. Feb 17 03:08:10 But I'm not seeing what I expect to when I run `/usr/bin/ipkg -o / list_installed`, any ideas? Feb 17 03:09:04 I want to install the "quiet powerd Messages" patch from a remote shell on my other phone, but I don't even see it listed on the phone it's already installed on, any ideas? Feb 17 03:09:45 zsoc: GSTLIBSYM in postinst and GSTGSMSYM in prerm should probably be the same thing, which might correct the reversed letters in the value Feb 17 03:10:00 rwhitby: ha, ty Feb 17 03:10:13 some_guy987142: you need -o /media/cryptofs/apps Feb 17 03:10:19 also "error: pathspec 'v1.0' did not match any file(s) known to git.".. guess i'll check the .json Feb 17 03:10:55 some_guy987142: I updated the wiki page Feb 17 03:11:13 zsoc: you need to git tag the source repo and git push --tags Feb 17 03:11:27 ah, right, ty Feb 17 03:11:58 zsoc: regarding the variable names and values, I'm a big believer in consistency. if something is not consistent, it is usually wrong. Feb 17 03:12:21 humm, that doesn't return anything, with /var or / I do get a list of packages, but maybe it's old/other stuff as I have an old dropbear shell installed? would that cause problems? Feb 17 03:12:54 some_guy987142: ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps list_installed Feb 17 03:14:23 if you have anything in /var list_installed you should run emh Feb 17 03:15:06 egaudet-wirc: so no issues found with aupt-3 overnight? Feb 17 03:15:28 not that I see Feb 17 03:15:31 cool Feb 17 03:15:33 * rwhitby bbl Feb 17 03:16:21 Nope, I get nothing with that, but this works, just don't see things I expect to see: $ ipkg -o / list_installed | grep power pmmodempower - 1.0-5 - Simple shell script to power on/off/cycle the modem powerd - 1.0.0-167.6 - Palm powerd daemon $ ipkg -o /var list_installed | grep -c "" 2 ipkg -o / list_installed | grep -c "" 511 Feb 17 03:16:35 2 in /var Feb 17 03:16:38 511 in / Feb 17 03:16:48 what is emh? Feb 17 03:17:08 `which emh` returns nothing. Feb 17 03:18:50 / should not be touched by any homebrew, should be only palm packages Feb 17 03:19:12 ya, that's what it's looking like.. Feb 17 03:19:13 /var was the old (pre-1.3.5) offline root and should have everything migrated to /media/cryptofs/apps Feb 17 03:19:17 "[: 166: Linux: unexpected operator" <-- during build. normal autobuilder stuff? ipk still got made... Feb 17 03:19:33 EMH (Emergency Migration Helper) is a package that can be found/installed by preware Feb 17 03:19:43 I must have missed the migration then.... Feb 17 03:19:45 auhh.. Feb 17 03:19:58 ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps list_installed should show you any homebrew and app cat apps in 1.3.5 or later Feb 17 03:22:18 under which branch in Preware do i find EMH? Feb 17 03:23:05 some_guy987142: just search list of everything for 'emer' Feb 17 03:23:14 nvm, found under "list of everything"... forgot.. Feb 17 03:25:17 I love the speeds i get off Palm servers Feb 17 03:25:22 downloading a doctor is actually fun Feb 17 03:25:56 Is it normal to need to use EMH for: OS 1.1 (dropbear, etc) -> OS1.2 -> OS1.3.5.1 -> Installed Preware for first time -> installed stuff ? Feb 17 03:26:32 normal is a funny word Feb 17 03:27:27 Perhaps I should just Dr the thing, but I hate to do that Feb 17 03:30:14 well thanks for all the help... Feb 17 03:30:23 I'll give all that a shot... Feb 17 03:31:31 In case anyone was wondering... it's a REALLY bad idea to run wosqi with the Open JDK and the Sun RTE at the same time Feb 17 03:33:23 LOTS of things don't seem to like anything but sun's Feb 17 03:34:15 Say, can I run the EMH thing from the shell? like to see words fly pas on the screen!! Feb 17 03:34:40 It might ask me about my custom configurations?? Feb 17 03:34:56 destinal-home: it runs in either. just don't run 1 instance in both lol Feb 17 03:35:23 Know what the shell command line might be to start EMH? Feb 17 03:36:48 <_lance_> weird question: anyone know of a calendaring and/or contacts server that the pre will recognize? Feb 17 03:37:01 <_lance_> lightweight and runs on linux preferably Feb 17 03:37:46 afaik nothing out of the box. there are some applications being developed, but i believe they are based on rsync. Feb 17 03:38:10 <_lance_> oh? any names for me to google? Feb 17 03:38:21 _lance_: you could use the "send all contacts" patch to email yourself the vcards for all your contacts Feb 17 03:38:45 <_lance_> i've been looking at setting up a MAPI-providing server, but everything is either overkill and pricey and too heavy.. or too unfinished Feb 17 03:39:05 _lance_: i believe this project: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=services/saverestore.git;a=summary <-- is made to back up many things... but it's rwhitby's project, you'd have to ask him about it Feb 17 03:39:10 <_lance_> ah.. what i really want right now is to be able to toss a bunch of contacts onto my phone, without keying it all in via the pre keyboard Feb 17 03:39:27 <_lance_> my pre has all of 2 phone numbers in it right now Feb 17 03:39:28 _lance_: the pre accepts/install contacts via vcards, as well Feb 17 03:39:33 _lance_: and you're opposed to the cloud? Feb 17 03:39:33 <_lance_> oh, cool Feb 17 03:39:54 _lance_: oh, you could download the old palm desktop software, key everything in (or import it), and then use palm's webOS migration tool to send it all to the Pre Feb 17 03:39:58 * destinal-home is happy with gmail Feb 17 03:40:24 <_lance_> destinal-home: not really, but facebook creeped me out again. Feb 17 03:40:40 <_lance_> google too, with buzz Feb 17 03:40:49 Originally, when I got my Pre, I bluetoothed my contacts to a "bitpim compatible" phone... exported from bitpim. imported to palm desktop. migrated to webos/pre. Feb 17 03:41:10 <_lance_> i still use dropbox and a crashplan Feb 17 03:41:12 _lance_: i agree at the creepyness. especially the idea that you can't delete your facebook or the info on it Feb 17 03:41:30 <_lance_> zsoc: you can delete your facebook now. Feb 17 03:41:48 <_lance_> it's just not as visible as the 'deactivate' link Feb 17 03:42:09 _lance_: Ah, I would like to look into that. I have an old cruft of a facebook left from when you couldn't delete it. Feb 17 03:42:23 <_lance_> http://www.facebook.com/help/contact.php?show_form=delete_account Feb 17 03:42:30 ty Feb 17 03:42:34 <_lance_> then don't log in for 14 days and it'll get purged Feb 17 03:42:35 <_lance_> np Feb 17 03:42:39 * zsoc goes back to figuring out why his binaries aren't getting packaged Feb 17 03:42:43 some_guy987142, itś the same as any advanced homebrew. EMH doesnt do a lot, it simply makes fake appinfo.json files for things in /var/usr/palm/applications/ because the palm app migration process fails when they don exist Feb 17 03:55:46 rwhitby: something's breaking in my build... binaries aren't getting included in the .ipk Feb 17 04:07:04 rwhitby: fixed it. i'm an idiot as usual :) Feb 17 04:16:51 arg, why in the world would i make a postinst that didn't mount the fs writable Feb 17 04:16:52 bah Feb 17 04:17:58 Wait, is wosqi supposed to do that? Feb 17 04:20:39 zsoc: yep Feb 17 04:20:55 zsoc: GSTLIBSYM still has different values in postinst and prerm Feb 17 04:21:35 so, I guess this is a bug in the audio system of webos Feb 17 04:21:36 rwhitby: crap it does Feb 17 04:21:38 arg Feb 17 04:21:47 VincentLaw: i'm not sure what you are talking about, but I think i know all of those Feb 17 04:22:00 because I literally cannot get webos to play my set of 4 sound effects reliably Feb 17 04:22:04 rwhitby: this isn't my cup of tea, I am not a packaging guru :( but alas, i shall prevail Feb 17 04:22:30 zsoc: it's a rite of passage Feb 17 04:22:31 no matter what I do, it will never, ever, ever play all four of the sounds like it's supposed to. it will simply pretend to play one of them, but end up silent Feb 17 04:22:35 zsoc: revel in it Feb 17 04:22:51 VincentLaw: stop mediaserver && mediaserver -l --gst-inspect=3 Feb 17 04:22:55 I'm pretty much furious with this thing now >.> Feb 17 04:23:06 VincentLaw: then try to play the sounds like you think they should work Feb 17 04:23:10 VincentLaw: then pastebin log Feb 17 04:24:08 what's really fun is that every once in a while? it'll work. code will be /identical/ but on some app launches, it will not work right Feb 17 04:24:30 rwhitby: is there a clobber for the downloads folder? Feb 17 04:24:56 zsoc Feb 17 04:24:59 that did nothing Feb 17 04:25:02 nothing appears Feb 17 04:25:07 VincentLaw: nothing? Feb 17 04:25:10 even when it does play something Feb 17 04:25:11 yes Feb 17 04:25:21 VincentLaw: hm.. how are you playing the sounds? Feb 17 04:25:30 by nothing I mean nothing after its usual output when mediaserver starts up Feb 17 04:25:46 using: Feb 17 04:26:08 slots.AudioSpin = new Audio(); slots.AudioSpin.src = Mojo.appPath + "audio/spin.mp3"; slots.AudioSpin.play(); Feb 17 04:26:27 I have 4 sets of audio objects Feb 17 04:26:33 that's an example of one Feb 17 04:26:40 VincentLaw: How am I supposed to know how mojo accesses the audio? Feb 17 04:26:49 I dunno? Feb 17 04:26:53 and furthermore, why are you asking in here? :p Feb 17 04:26:59 because no one in webos knows >.> Feb 17 04:27:07 if it doesn't use mediaserver, I know of no other binary/method that plays audio through alsasink Feb 17 04:27:30 aplay? i'm sure there are others, just not sure what Audio() uses Feb 17 04:27:44 me either. I just can't understand why it only works /sometimes/ Feb 17 04:27:48 it may behoove you (And others) to find out Feb 17 04:27:58 zsoc: no clobber, just rm the file and it will re-download Feb 17 04:27:58 well you won't know why it works /sometimes/ without a log seeing what's happening Feb 17 04:28:09 rwhitby: yes yes i know, but it involves pointing back a few folders ;) Feb 17 04:28:21 zsoc: and I don't know of any log that does. As far as the debugger is concerned, it is playing. Feb 17 04:31:05 zsoc: postinst and prerm look good Feb 17 04:32:16 VincentLaw: well you're in -internals so you're going to get the -internals answer. Audio() must do something. There's no framework set up for playing audio outside of binaries in /usr/bin (that I can find). There has to be a native binary accessing the audio. afaik, that doesn't happen outside of gstreamer. There may be some alsa util somewhere, but i don't know where (again, outside of aplay) Feb 17 04:32:37 it's possible Audio() uses aplay, but i don't know enough about alsa to know how to debug it that way.... and honestly, i think it's a debug tool to begin with, so that would be pretty lame Feb 17 04:33:19 yea and I appreciate the help. its just infuriating for something so simple and documented not to work >.> Feb 17 04:33:36 VincentLaw: but more likely, since there are no major audio bugs i know of in this "documented" system, it's probably your java script :P Feb 17 04:33:46 I don't see how Feb 17 04:33:56 did you take sugardaves advice? Feb 17 04:34:36 about the setTimeout? not even relevant, I removed the timeouts Feb 17 04:34:49 I stripped this thing to the bare minimum Feb 17 04:35:09 I've stepped through the code line by line, right up to where the .play() call happens, and the debugger says it plays Feb 17 04:35:41 interesting Feb 17 04:35:55 i would complain through an official mechanism Feb 17 04:36:17 that's my first thing on my todo for tomorrow Feb 17 04:44:38 rwhitby: there's something else wrong. removing the download file forces a pull from the git again, but it doesn't include the updated postinst (it's packaging an old one).. is there another location of one of those tar'd files? or git branches? Feb 17 04:45:30 oh, it's a tag thing Feb 17 04:45:30 bah Feb 17 04:47:27 hi there, was wondering what app/criteria is used to put the list of patches installed in the webosinternals.patches.packages file? i have one in there that is not updated to aupt-3 and I cannot find it anywhere on my pre, checked apps dir on crypt and /usr/palm Feb 17 04:49:43 mikepre: the postinst file for each patch updates that file Feb 17 04:50:27 rwhitby: holy crap i think it works Feb 17 04:52:16 okay, so if I cannot find any remnants of a patch on my pre, is it ok to remove it from the list for cleanup? I have this one ca.canucksoftware.patches.PDF-Hide-Header that was a patch i had on their quite some time ago Feb 17 04:52:42 rwhitby: so... if I move it to unreleased, you have to build it manually right? Feb 17 04:53:03 zsoc: yep, I'm gatekeeper on the testing feed. Feb 17 04:53:23 mikepre: webos quick install would have installed that one Feb 17 04:53:35 rwhitby: er, how do i 'move' it exactly? won't adding it in that location also leave it in the other one? Feb 17 04:53:49 zsoc: git mb Feb 17 04:53:51 git mv Feb 17 04:53:56 oh, genius Feb 17 04:53:56 (the latter) Feb 17 04:55:16 hmm... changes to be commited are "renamed: ../nonworking/gsmwav/Makefile -> gsmwav/Makefile" Feb 17 04:55:19 that doesn't seem right Feb 17 04:55:31 oh, it's relative to the folder i'm in Feb 17 04:55:45 better Feb 17 04:55:47 zsoc: like "mv" Feb 17 04:55:48 :) Feb 17 04:55:58 destinal-home: thanks desty. Feb 17 04:56:03 destinal-home: you always make things so clear Feb 17 04:56:04 :p Feb 17 04:56:09 zsoc: any time ;) Feb 17 04:57:44 rick_home: ping? Feb 17 04:57:58 rwhitby: ok, moved. please build for testing feed, O great and wonderful gatekeeper :> Feb 17 04:59:23 zsoc: Type != Application Feb 17 04:59:47 rwhitby: crap Feb 17 04:59:52 1 sec Feb 17 05:00:36 rwhitby: GstCodecs ? Feb 17 05:00:41 Codecs? Feb 17 05:02:11 zsoc: Applications is reserved for webOS Applications Feb 17 05:02:27 I'm not so sure what the makefile "Type" is referring to. Feb 17 05:02:34 catagory? Feb 17 05:02:42 no, that's different... Feb 17 05:04:01 Type is like Application, Patch, Service, Plugin, Linux Application, Linux Daemon, Optware, ... Feb 17 05:04:15 so.. Plugin? :p Feb 17 05:04:24 yeah, I think Plugin is best Feb 17 05:04:35 just like termplugin Feb 17 05:04:46 but a GStreamer Plugin rather than a Browser Plugin Feb 17 05:05:00 So Type: Plugin Feb 17 05:05:24 Category: GStreamer Codec ? Feb 17 05:05:40 what's wrong with Codecs? Feb 17 05:05:41 Audio Codecs ? Feb 17 05:05:54 mere mortal doesn't know what a codec is Feb 17 05:05:55 this is semantics :P Feb 17 05:06:36 zsoc: Are there any other kinds of codecs on the device? Feb 17 05:06:43 hey zsoc you still there? Feb 17 05:06:51 VincentLaw: not really :P Feb 17 05:06:53 I think I might have gleaned something from messages :p Feb 17 05:07:06 rwhitby: there are.. many codecs Feb 17 05:07:15 zsoc: but kinds of codecs? Feb 17 05:07:39 rwhitby: gst and ffmpeg, audio and video, generally Feb 17 05:07:40 This may come out as 3 lines :/ Feb 17 05:07:41 2010-02-17T05:05:54.824249Z [12420] palm-webos-device user.notice mediaserver: UPDATE: error(40101): sending 'm.Error' with 'Stream contains no data.' (debug 'gsttypefindelement.c(785): gst_type_find_element_activate (): /GstPipeline:pipeline33/GstDecodeBin2:decodebin233/GstTypeFindElement:typefind: Can't typefind empty stream') Feb 17 05:07:41 i.e. apart from gst codecs, what other types of codecs are there on the device Feb 17 05:07:44 that's a super generalzation tho :P Feb 17 05:07:52 that mean anything special to you, zsoc? :p Feb 17 05:07:55 ffmpeg codecs _sort_ of exist Feb 17 05:07:56 So "Audio Codecs" then ? Feb 17 05:08:09 VincentLaw: yes, your stream contains no data Feb 17 05:08:13 rwhitby: yeah, I suppose Feb 17 05:08:16 * zsoc will push... again Feb 17 05:08:16 or even "Audio Plugins" Feb 17 05:08:19 * VincentLaw cries Feb 17 05:08:25 fine, Audio Plugins :P Feb 17 05:08:49 What I don't get is /why/ it contains no data. the mp3 sure isn't empty, as it manages to play it quite often >.> Feb 17 05:08:51 VincentLaw: I need more info than that, I need to _rest_ of that gstreamer log. Notice how it's a mediaserver log? That means that it _is_ using mediaserver, so try it again. Feb 17 05:09:30 yeah I get that, but your command is not spitting out anything :/ Feb 17 05:10:34 rwhitby: ok, now you can build it :P Feb 17 05:11:23 zsoc: you sure this is right? mediaserver -l --gst-inspect=3 Feb 17 05:11:30 VincentLaw: stop mediaserver && mediaserver -l --gst-debug=3 Feb 17 05:11:33 VincentLaw: typo :p sorry Feb 17 05:11:37 * VincentLaw facepalms Feb 17 05:11:38 lol Feb 17 05:11:39 VincentLaw: i haven't sleep in almost 2 days Feb 17 05:11:46 is ok at least its not me :p Feb 17 05:11:48 VincentLaw: they have to be on the same line Feb 17 05:11:54 yeah I know Feb 17 05:11:58 mediaserver's stopped already Feb 17 05:11:58 VincentLaw: otherwise webos restarts mediaserver before you do :p Feb 17 05:12:18 now lets try my app lawl Feb 17 05:12:20 zsoc: will this work on a pixi ? Feb 17 05:12:24 VincentLaw: you're becoming a webos audio master Feb 17 05:12:27 rwhitby: no reason why it won't Feb 17 05:12:41 rwhitby: but i need testers, many... i don't even use a gsmwav voicemail system myself :P Feb 17 05:12:52 zsoc: do an armv7 -> armv6 in the source repo, and then add armv6 to the build Feb 17 05:13:08 * zsoc stabs himself Feb 17 05:13:29 well that was useless. only time this debug output moves is when it actually plays the audio :/ Feb 17 05:13:47 I honestly don't even know what that means. So i'm going to have to look at other packages to figure out how. Then change things. Then push again. Feb 17 05:13:49 I want to sleep :( Feb 17 05:13:53 VincentLaw: that's not useless Feb 17 05:13:59 VincentLaw: now we know the problem is in mojo framework Feb 17 05:15:03 VincentLaw: gst-debug=2 will only show warns and errors if you want to do more testing with less gibberish Feb 17 05:16:11 that is so odd Feb 17 05:16:21 according to mediaserver it only even loads one of my files Feb 17 05:16:22 rwhitby: by armv7 -> armv6 you mean symlinking the /binaries folder? Feb 17 05:16:29 doesn't even bother loading the mp3s of the other ones Feb 17 05:17:06 VincentLaw: there's a severe lack of multithreading for audio on webos, that could be part of the issue Feb 17 05:17:16 zsoc: yep Feb 17 05:17:34 maybe I should chain my audio defines with big timeouts? Feb 17 05:17:40 * zsoc has a sudden urge to rewrite the mojo manual... backwards Feb 17 05:17:42 VincentLaw: try it Feb 17 05:17:54 VincentLaw: heck, you can literally time the gst logs ;) Feb 17 05:19:01 I wonder how many lines of code you can put in one timeout lawl Feb 17 05:20:47 VincentLaw: i'm sure there's a 'sleep' routine in javascript? Feb 17 05:20:56 uh, no there isn't, actually Feb 17 05:21:06 and in fact, attempting to do so would lock up the app :/ Feb 17 05:21:14 .... Feb 17 05:21:18 I am _never_ Feb 17 05:21:19 _ever_ Feb 17 05:21:24 making a standard mojo app Feb 17 05:21:43 there's only setTimeout(snippit, time) which causes it to run snippit js code after time ms. Feb 17 05:21:48 maybe something for the catalog eventually.... but it'll be pdk driven Feb 17 05:22:39 I think I'm going to release an official pay app, in the catalog, that's opensource. Feb 17 05:23:03 I want to truly see how important convenience is to people, if it's polished well enough Feb 17 05:23:18 Purchase price will be "suggested donation" :p Feb 17 05:25:23 rwhitby: bah, you pushed something :p Feb 17 05:25:38 zsoc: yes, that happens a lot :-) Feb 17 05:25:44 git pull first Feb 17 05:26:03 yes i realize this, was just complaining ;) Feb 17 05:26:12 then it gives a silly merge message :p Feb 17 05:26:37 rwhitby: ok, pushed Feb 17 05:28:36 zsoc: git pull Feb 17 05:29:11 rwhitby: always cleaning my stuff :p Feb 17 05:30:51 zsoc: in the postinst, replace binaries/armv7 with just bin Feb 17 05:31:02 bin? Feb 17 05:31:04 why? Feb 17 05:31:13 zsoc: and then make the build Makefile put the correct binaries/armv7 or binaries/armv6 into the bin dir Feb 17 05:31:25 * zsoc boggles Feb 17 05:31:27 why Feb 17 05:31:41 so that your postinst will work on both armv7 and armv6 and i686 even Feb 17 05:32:03 so we really don't have the webos-internals logo any bigger than a 135x135 pixel bitmap? Feb 17 05:32:05 each ipkg has a single binary, in the ../bin dir, of the correct architecture type Feb 17 05:32:15 i see Feb 17 05:32:27 jacques: correct. we need to create one that is scaleable Feb 17 05:33:38 do we have any sort of starting point? Feb 17 05:33:54 * rwhitby just made a small plastic modification to a Motorola S605 bluetooth stereo adapter with a soldering iron to disable the FM radio functionality :-) Feb 17 05:34:15 jacques: tux svg on wikipedia, palm phone from anywhere, and screwdriver from anywhere Feb 17 05:34:59 pre in vector form will be the hard part Feb 17 05:38:40 jacques: someone found a large png Feb 17 05:39:23 yeah that would work Feb 17 05:39:45 jacques: e.g. http://labs.v3.co.uk/UK_Palm%20Pre_FrontOpen-Coral.jpg Feb 17 05:39:59 http://www.unequalledmagazine.com/wp-content/gallery/palm-palm-pre-smartphone/palm-pre_leftclosed-cardviewphone-tif.jpg Feb 17 05:40:09 http://news.vzw.com/images/releases/Palm-Pre%20Plus_Front-H4-Web.jpg Feb 17 05:40:15 http://www.webosarena.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Palm_Pre_Plus_2z.jpg Feb 17 05:40:38 hmm. I don't like this finding tux svgs which require mentioning people Feb 17 05:40:43 holy crap that is a hires image Feb 17 05:40:57 rwhitby: i made the source repo fix, i don't suppose to can fix the makefile for me when you have a moment? I need to be going... Feb 17 05:41:08 zsoc: yep, i can do that Feb 17 05:41:11 jpg :-\ Feb 17 05:41:16 rwhitby: thank you super muchly :) Feb 17 05:41:32 a learning experience this was u.u Feb 17 05:41:35 night all Feb 17 05:41:57 * oil pushed something to preware for first time in just over 2 months Feb 17 05:42:05 lol Feb 17 05:42:13 zsoc: did you retag ? Feb 17 05:42:34 rwhitby: ugh Feb 17 05:42:39 rwhitby: no, i'll do that first Feb 17 05:43:20 oil: awesome Feb 17 05:43:27 rwhitby: ok, done Feb 17 05:44:05 oil greasing the development wheels Feb 17 05:45:16 The copyright holder of this file allows anyone to use it for any purpose, provided that the copyright holders Larry Ewing, Simon Budig and Anja Gerwinski are mentioned. Feb 17 05:45:19 jeez Feb 17 05:47:57 jacques: we can write it on the back of the banner Feb 17 05:48:17 zsoc: released to testing feed. Feb 17 05:48:35 rwhitby: lol Feb 17 05:49:55 rwhitby: Thats EXACTLY what I'm going to do. Feb 17 05:50:45 hmm I could probably use a pixi image too (I'm working on slides) Feb 17 05:51:28 rick is helping me with the Banner Logo. Feb 17 05:51:35 * ka6sox is NOT a Graphic Artist Feb 17 05:52:16 I've found all the elements but I'm having trouble putting it together. Feb 17 05:52:55 Are you really ka6sox? Feb 17 05:53:37 hmmm..how to answer that question. Feb 17 05:53:47 I'm Nate RRV Feb 17 05:53:49 yeah ... :-\ Feb 17 05:53:52 technically my station is ka6sox. Feb 17 05:54:02 good answer Feb 17 05:54:15 hiya Nate... Feb 17 05:54:28 rwhitby: et al, what are the most popular webos patches? Feb 17 05:54:41 oh what, earthworm jim on webos? Feb 17 05:54:44 * oil downloads Feb 17 05:54:48 Square corners? :) Feb 17 05:55:00 BoomerET what District are you in? Feb 17 05:55:04 there's a patch for that? Feb 17 05:55:18 Look me up, I'm good in the book. Feb 17 05:55:45 n6? Feb 17 05:55:53 Nate Feb 17 05:55:56 n8 Feb 17 05:56:22 gameloft is killing on the Pre Feb 17 05:56:44 Crap, I thought I updated my address, it's still my old address at arrl. Feb 17 05:56:51 Time to visit the FCC again. Feb 17 05:56:52 jacques: precentral had a front-page article on that Feb 17 05:57:58 someone mentioned that gameloft's games are almost twice the size on the Pre compared to the iPhone Feb 17 05:58:17 BoomerET, thats a Pleasant place to live :D Feb 17 05:58:22 rwhitby: popular patches? good call Feb 17 05:58:32 * rwhitby bbl Feb 17 05:58:59 Kyusaku: weird Feb 17 06:00:52 jacques: admittedly I think he was comparing download sizes, and the iPhone packages could just have better compression Feb 17 06:01:00 Kyusaku: looking at assassin's creed, it's 90+% art - textures, sprites, objects, sound Feb 17 06:01:29 the binary is 1.1M Feb 17 06:01:35 not stripped Feb 17 06:01:48 out of 114.1M Feb 17 06:06:27 "Earthworm Jim download is about 230MB for the Pre. For the iPhone its 111MB. Avatar is 229MB of the Pre and 189MB for the iPhone." Feb 17 06:07:27 well, at least its installing apps on the media partition, lols Feb 17 06:08:28 I wonder how much space I have left on my phone Feb 17 06:08:47 I only have a couple 3D games Feb 17 06:09:11 Kyusaku, probably better resolution :D Feb 17 06:10:22 maybe Feb 17 06:13:27 you'd probably have to jailbreak an iphone to compare the installed apps Feb 17 06:13:53 maybe iphone can tell you how much flash space an app is using Feb 17 06:15:16 yeah like how the app info lets you do that on the pre Feb 17 06:15:47 when you orange+tap an icon Feb 17 06:16:06 neat I didn't know that Feb 17 06:16:42 webos uses the d8 ? javascript engine ? Feb 17 06:16:54 v8 Feb 17 06:18:15 heh thanks Feb 17 06:18:28 np Feb 17 06:20:40 Nite all! Feb 17 07:15:43 I want to wipe my pre back to 'factory' state. I tried using WebOS doctor, but preware is still on (not working though) and a dozen other things still seem to be present. Feb 17 07:24:22 ahah nevermind... this should worK: http://kb.palm.com/wps/portal/kb/common/article/23197_en.html (Full Erase) Feb 17 07:43:12 Does anyone know how I can remove "stuck" or "corrupted" patches from my phone? The Hide App Vendors has left my App Catalog useless. Feb 17 07:43:36 Any response would be appreciated. Feb 17 07:43:46 gollyzila: that same patch just killed me Feb 17 07:44:00 unfortunatly I did a full webos-doctor reset and then a device-info full-reset Feb 17 07:44:09 wow really? Feb 17 07:44:15 there are instructions but it looks like a PITA. let me try to dig it back up Feb 17 07:44:24 I just did an EPR Feb 17 07:44:28 and it fixed it Feb 17 07:45:30 I'm thinking of doing an EPR, but I don't like the idea of reinstalling my patches AGAIN. Is there a way to save the list and Preware automagically downloads all the patches from the list? Feb 17 07:45:37 ah. the forum post i saw the EPR didn't work Feb 17 07:45:49 can't re-find it anyways :( Feb 17 07:48:07 gollyzila, nope, at least not right now in its current implementation Feb 17 07:48:50 Crapshakes. So is there another way I can fix my stuck patches beside EPR? Feb 17 07:49:42 via command? No idea. Feb 17 07:50:17 shoot. yes, there was. for this particular patch Feb 17 07:50:31 but it involved replacing individual files, and like 30 luna resets Feb 17 07:50:41 I think command line would be the next best thing. Feb 17 07:51:59 dangit i can't find the post again. not in my history for some reason Feb 17 07:52:22 Would Webos Repair Utility be able to replace those files? Feb 17 07:53:25 probably. Feb 17 07:54:53 Hey! Wouldn't an Emergency Patch Recovery after an EPR reinstall all my patches? Feb 17 07:55:51 Woops....I meant Emergency Patch Installer Feb 17 07:56:58 haven't tested it Feb 17 07:57:30 so note to self. Don't install Hide App Vendors. it is breakage. Feb 17 07:57:47 it works Feb 17 07:58:05 yea, but when i had some updates today, it decided it was going to half remove itself. Feb 17 07:58:17 it was marked as not installed, but the files were still modified. so ipkg was freaking out Feb 17 07:58:21 just when you update it between AUPT technologies it breaks the catalog Feb 17 07:59:04 so I found out :P Feb 17 07:59:13 Kyusaku: What works? Feb 17 07:59:33 draeath: Unfortunately I've found that out too Feb 17 07:59:36 the patch Feb 17 07:59:52 anyways Feb 17 08:00:26 I dunno if EPI will work after an EPR Feb 17 08:01:18 as if you do a partial or full erase it just wipes the phone database and media partition Feb 17 08:01:32 well full erases media Feb 17 08:01:51 partial wipes the database I believe Feb 17 08:02:08 which sort of leaves a bunch of patches partially installed Feb 17 08:02:11 i did a full. it took out the patches too Feb 17 08:02:36 doing a full doesn't touch the OS's files Feb 17 08:02:47 well, it killed preware Feb 17 08:02:49 so a lot of the patches were probably still in the UI Feb 17 08:02:52 (webos doctor didn't) Feb 17 08:03:19 So then. How do you go about _completely_ wiping it back to factory, then? Feb 17 08:03:35 Full Erase, with a doctor right after Feb 17 08:03:46 This page says that a partial/full erase only deletes the patch package data, not the patch itself Feb 17 08:03:49 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Auto-Update_Patch_Technology Feb 17 08:03:53 because a doctor wipes the OS partition Feb 17 08:03:54 I did it the other way around... ? Feb 17 08:04:21 meh either or Feb 17 08:04:49 gollyzila, yep the package data saved on the media partition Feb 17 08:05:10 in cryptofs where the apps are saved Feb 17 08:05:26 ah but I didn't do the Emergency Patch Recovery thing... Feb 17 08:06:15 So all I'm left to do is an EPR to remove the stuck patches I have? The others are landscape messaging and named launcher pages Feb 17 08:06:17 draeth: you're splitting hairs, if you do both a full erase and a doctor you eventually delete all the patch data Feb 17 08:06:34 nah it must have worked. variosu things are reset, like the rounded corners. if that wiped, no reason the others wouldnt? Feb 17 08:06:44 Kyusaku: sorry... i've only been into this for a few days. im still learning Feb 17 08:08:19 gollyzilla: that is currently the easiest solution without losing any phone data Feb 17 08:09:10 Okay. What about the Emergency Service Enabler, that reapplies all your patches? Feb 17 08:09:25 no Feb 17 08:10:06 that's for re-enabling services after a doctor Feb 17 08:10:57 oh it reapplies patches too,,, but that seems like a weird side effect Feb 17 08:11:05 I don't think it will work in your case Feb 17 08:11:26 cause it's working from the package data that still exists in the media partition Feb 17 08:12:00 EPR SHOULD remove the patch and the patch's package data along with it but I could be mistaken Feb 17 08:12:23 I've remembered some issues in the past with Preware not fully removing package data Feb 17 08:12:29 but that could've been fixed Feb 17 08:12:47 if you want to experiment go for it Feb 17 08:12:58 EPR probably will, but I'll do that when I have time. Well thanks for your time. Feb 17 08:13:39 I should look over the documentation on these emergency things Feb 17 08:13:48 hrm. is there an explanation for the FS layout on the wiki? specifically what all the 'duplicate' mounts to / are about? Feb 17 08:16:42 I'm not sure the FS went through some changes at last update and not sure if they were documented Feb 17 08:16:58 lemme see... Feb 17 08:18:49 not finding anything recent. might have to wait for someone more experience with the FS Feb 17 08:19:14 heh. i just upgraded from a 6 year old RAZR V3. hehe. not foreign to linux at all though, but webOS is exciting Feb 17 08:20:12 every new update brings lots of surprises Feb 17 08:20:55 its funny how 1.4 is right around the corner. get used to all this just as it gets blown away Feb 17 08:21:28 says who? Feb 17 08:22:24 the internals crew have been working to get the patches to survive the updates Feb 17 08:22:30 nobody. just my poorly formed impression Feb 17 08:22:45 it's just that there's a few hiccups between patch technologies Feb 17 08:23:58 always is in any kind of package management system Feb 17 08:24:09 so far there have been no restrictions on the linux side of the OS in fact Palm has been creating and opening up more pieces to the OS to work with Feb 17 08:25:19 well maybe one restriction when they changed things with the wifi driver Feb 17 08:26:00 all right off to bed Feb 17 08:26:05 later Feb 17 08:26:07 ty Kyusaku Feb 17 08:26:09 later Feb 17 09:16:51 draeath: which mounts are you asking about? Feb 17 09:26:19 * bhuey wonder when 1.4 is going to come out Feb 17 13:24:53 godammit Feb 17 13:30:47 anyone here..ive installed ubuntu in virtualbox following the wiki and now im stuck Feb 17 13:37:44 hmm i appear to be doing it Feb 17 13:45:27 its saying my discs full- cannot write Feb 17 13:45:33 1.3gb how do i make it bigger Feb 17 13:45:58 iSmite, Did you try asking in #ubuntu? or #virtualbox? Feb 17 13:46:36 no..im doing metadoctor following the wiki Feb 17 13:48:18 iSmite: did you install ubuntu *server* edition? also, you can make the disk really big when you first install, like 40-50 gigs if you want, it's a sparse image format meaning it only actually takes up the amount of space on disk that you USE in the VM Feb 17 13:48:37 im just following the instructions on treocentral Feb 17 13:48:53 i got as far as downloading the webos doctor in ubuntu and its saying theres no space left Feb 17 13:49:59 I hate to say it but I would do it again creating a bigger disk, and ubuntu server has no gui (all text) but takes up much less space Feb 17 13:50:11 i dont know how to create a bigger disk Feb 17 13:50:14 there wasnt an option Feb 17 13:50:37 sure there is when you create a new VM (unless for some reason you downloaded their VM) Feb 17 13:50:45 damn..ok Feb 17 13:50:46 :( Feb 17 13:51:01 all this just for 1.2.1 no activation this is such a pain when you arent used to it Feb 17 13:51:18 iSmite: there's much easier ways to skip activation Feb 17 13:51:23 how? Feb 17 13:51:56 all i need is the 1.2.1 then i can ota to 1.3.5.1 sprint i am gsm Feb 17 13:52:53 hmm then again the really easy ways are for avoiding a palm profile altogether Feb 17 13:53:04 which won't help you for OTA Feb 17 13:53:30 i find this so hard Feb 17 13:53:45 sure, there are no good, easy tools at the moment Feb 17 13:53:53 it's early days for doctor modification still Feb 17 13:53:54 its just..if i was gonna use it all the time id spend the time learning it but al i need is the one Feb 17 13:54:13 now its saying the ubuntu already exists and wont let me get a bigger one Feb 17 13:54:18 *sigh* Feb 17 13:54:37 in virtualbox, you can stop the VM and then delete it Feb 17 13:54:42 ok.. Feb 17 13:55:54 here we go again Feb 17 13:56:31 it says hard disk size 8gb Feb 17 13:56:39 thats what it said last time Feb 17 13:56:46 then it gave me 1.3 gb Feb 17 13:57:09 the operating system takes some of it, especially if you did a desktop install it takes a LOT Feb 17 13:57:18 ok Feb 17 13:57:36 15gb be ebough? Feb 17 13:57:55 I would do like 30 gb, remember it won't actually take up that much Feb 17 13:58:09 i only have about 20 free on my mac i think Feb 17 13:58:37 ugh its saying it already exists again- but i deleted it like you said! Feb 17 13:58:51 you probably want to delete the disk fro mthe old one also Feb 17 13:59:38 file, virtual media manager Feb 17 14:00:26 find the ubuntu vmdk file and highlight it, click release (if the option is available -- it may already be released) then highlight it, click remove Feb 17 14:01:04 yeah it wont let me saying its in use Feb 17 14:01:39 from the main vbox screen do all VM's say "powered off" next to them? Feb 17 14:02:05 yeah theres nothing there at all Feb 17 14:02:11 cos it wont let me set it up Feb 17 14:02:21 virtualbox fail Feb 17 14:03:09 I'd try closing virtualbox and opening it again, if that doesn't work, try restarting. you should be able to delete that disk file Feb 17 14:03:17 i just did it Feb 17 14:03:18 hang on Feb 17 14:04:09 ok now its set up Feb 17 14:04:56 brb while it loads :( Feb 17 14:05:00 ok, good luck following their guide with a much bigger disk this time (as much as you can and remember it's only virtually that big and won't really get that big unless you use the space -- in which case you're saving yourself from doing it all again) Feb 17 14:06:12 I have to get to work anyway but I hope it works out for you. hopefully we get a nice GUI Java tool to do what you want sometime soon -- I know it doesn't help know Feb 17 14:06:17 s/know/now/ Feb 17 14:06:18 destinal-home meant: I have to get to work anyway but I hope it works out for you. hopefully we get a nice GUI Java tool to do what you want sometime soon -- I now it doesn't help know Feb 17 14:06:53 :P Feb 17 14:06:59 bbl Feb 17 14:07:23 meeeeeeeeeeeeh Feb 17 14:10:16 now i cnt find terminal it appears to have gone Feb 17 14:18:11 when it says unpacking build essential is it meant to take longer than 5 minutes? or has it crashed Feb 17 14:19:43 its fucking crashed!\ Feb 17 14:25:40 iSmite: I am thinking about making a java tool that works like wosqi but lets you modify the pre from recovery mode Feb 17 14:26:47 and would include installing patches like activation bypass Feb 17 14:27:36 therefore you wouldn't need to make or use a new doctor Feb 17 14:29:57 destinal its done it again i added 20 gb its saying no space left its stuck at 19% like before Feb 17 14:30:18 why would it stick in the same place when i have more than double the space now Feb 17 14:31:20 if you go to the list of disks again how much is used? Feb 17 14:31:26 wher is that Feb 17 14:31:46 fuckin 1.3gb i set it to 20!!!! Feb 17 14:31:56 i swear i did Feb 17 14:32:32 now its saying total filesystem capacity 1.3gb again Feb 17 14:32:44 ugh Feb 17 14:33:44 2 weeks i have been trying to get round this/learn it whatever!! Feb 17 14:38:42 i give up ive tried and tried Feb 17 14:58:15 will willwill will to will willwill's will? Feb 17 14:58:39 lol Feb 17 15:03:45 i think im going to doctor my phone today and finally buy x-plane :> Feb 17 15:04:32 loot-: which one? there's like 30 x-plane's now lol Feb 17 15:04:41 seriously? Feb 17 15:04:47 i have the pc version already Feb 17 15:04:50 now there's like 6 tho Feb 17 15:04:53 9.45 or whatever Feb 17 15:05:10 can you use custom planes in it like the PC version? Feb 17 15:05:18 no idea :( Feb 17 15:05:24 it wont be nearly as cool if i cant use the F-22 raptor Feb 17 15:05:25 :( Feb 17 15:05:27 * zsoc hasn't played them Feb 17 15:05:59 ~seen xenoph0be Feb 17 15:06:00 xenoph0be <~none@adsl-69-152-64-78.dsl.spfdmo.swbell.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 7d 10h 39m 5s ago, saying: '=\'. Feb 17 15:06:01 have you tried need for speed? Feb 17 15:06:21 loot-: yeah on a friends device Feb 17 15:06:24 i havent bought any of the games for pre yet because my phone is a mess and needs to be wiped and doctored Feb 17 15:06:37 is it worth buying? Feb 17 15:07:05 eh. I don't _really_ think most games are worth buying mobile. Feb 17 15:07:11 im never far from a USB slot so battery drain isnt much of an issue Feb 17 15:07:18 it's definitely more fun than a cross word puzzle :p Feb 17 15:07:23 well exactly Feb 17 15:07:35 assassins creed is fun too Feb 17 15:07:44 i have an ipod touch but most of the games on that suck because they try to use too much multitouch with accelerometers and all taht Feb 17 15:07:45 I'm considering earthworm jim, it's cheap Feb 17 15:07:48 makes it difficult to play Feb 17 15:07:53 plus no internal speaker is also weak Feb 17 15:08:08 loot-: most gaming websites do wireless game reviews now. like IGN and I think gamespot Feb 17 15:08:38 ah, i spend all my time programming and what not so i dont get a chance to check out game sitse much anymore Feb 17 15:08:45 sadly i have an entire race simulator Feb 17 15:08:53 lol Feb 17 15:08:55 and im still waiting for gran turismo 5 Feb 17 15:09:06 what do you do for work? Feb 17 15:09:37 gov contractor, consultant, and starting 2 companies and a non-profit Feb 17 15:09:45 hehe Feb 17 15:12:23 ha Feb 17 15:37:51 i read that the palm pre can do moving wallpapers but i cant find the post now, i think it was animated png anyone know? Feb 17 15:38:44 I would be shocked if it supported animated PNGs Feb 17 15:38:50 they're not exactly common, support is rare Feb 17 15:39:46 iSmite: there is no known way to do it. Feb 17 15:40:01 ok Feb 17 15:41:02 is it possible to doctor, get to the profile page and then sign in using wifi if you have no cellular data enabled? Feb 17 15:41:19 iSmite: yes Feb 17 15:41:23 oh! Feb 17 15:41:28 maybe Feb 17 15:41:31 oh... Feb 17 15:41:37 * zsoc thinks Feb 17 15:41:44 its just..lol ask destinal ive been trying to run metadr all day and i cant Feb 17 15:42:32 i can get sprint 1.2.1 on my pre, but then i cant activate it because theres nowhere to put my cellular data in Feb 17 15:43:21 iSmite: this is really a rod thing. he'll help you with the metadoctor I'm sure if you're having specific problems Feb 17 15:43:58 ive got ubuntu in virtual box and run the commands but it always only sets disk size to 1.3gb and then runs out of room even though i have set it to 20gb Feb 17 15:44:07 i cant change that 1.3gb thing Feb 17 15:44:26 iSmite: what command is that happening on? Feb 17 15:44:50 when i try to make it get the webos dr Feb 17 15:45:04 it fails at 19% not enough room disk full Feb 17 15:45:26 iSmite: pastebin output of df Feb 17 15:45:49 id have to do it all again...then when u know the error then yet again cos id have to do a new one wouldnt i :( Feb 17 15:46:01 you're probably trying to download it to a partition which is out of room Feb 17 15:46:26 what? that didn't make any sense. if you want help. pastebin the terminal output of df :p Feb 17 15:46:48 but if i can activate 1.2 with wifi i wouldnt have to do that would i? Feb 17 15:47:07 I have no idea. I'm pretty sure you can't OTA Feb 17 15:47:12 in that situation Feb 17 15:52:51 if you had the pre using a sprint palm profile made by someone activated on sprint I imagine you could ota Feb 17 15:53:42 if not,probably not Feb 17 15:57:01 ok Feb 17 16:02:55 destinal-wirc: why doesn't your company use gsm encoded wavs forwarded to your email? :p everyone I an find to test this package involves board PM coorespondance Feb 17 16:03:10 which I'm pretty sure is the _worst_ way to test something Feb 17 16:11:46 zsoc: I have gvoice Feb 17 17:28:25 Anyone care for a Google Voice, I have 3 left. Feb 17 17:33:45 BoomerET: it's US only right ? Feb 17 17:38:33 Yes Feb 17 17:47:15 crap Feb 17 17:47:25 why is tls such a pain in the ass? Feb 17 17:53:46 what is Feb 17 17:54:11 has anyone been able to controll the card orientation for an sdl app? Feb 17 17:56:05 yes Feb 17 17:56:54 sdl using software surface just setVideo width greater than height Feb 17 17:57:32 opengles you draw it however you want. can use glRotate to rotate matrix Feb 17 17:58:08 PDL_SetOrientation then used to orient the webos notifications etc Feb 17 17:58:08 will this automatically change the orientation? I am hoping to be able to have the app adjust to the orientation of the phone Feb 17 17:59:09 is there an example of this some where that i could look at? Feb 17 18:01:40 software surface? Feb 17 18:03:04 there's no orientation changing example in homebrew I don't think but it's doable via what I mentioned above Feb 17 18:04:12 ok.... i was hoping it was going to be an easy thing like creating an app-assistant.js , but i guess not.... i am not sure how to use PDL_SetOrientation. Ill have to do some more digging Feb 17 18:05:38 all PDL_SetOrientation does is tell webos where to pop up notifications Feb 17 18:06:03 oh, I see egaud mentioned that already heh Feb 17 18:06:28 slightly distracted :( Feb 17 18:08:01 i see on the webos-internals site under the LibPDL_Research section that there is 1,2,3,4 for the up,dw.L,R is there no free? Feb 17 18:09:50 nevermind I think I see how it is used...you set the orientation in the programming and then tell webos what that is Feb 17 18:14:42 when launcing an sdl app does it not take the base stage of "card"? and then does the card not set the orientation? Feb 17 18:20:53 sdl app is not mojo... there's no 'stage' Feb 17 18:21:47 you could probably check the accelerometer and figure it out, but yeah, there's no stage Feb 17 18:22:13 ok....i just assumed since it made a card when running the app Feb 17 18:31:46 heya Feb 17 18:31:55 ~seen rwhitby Feb 17 18:31:57 rwhitby is currently on #webos-internals (1d 13h 39m 54s) #oe (1d 13h 39m 54s) #nslu2-linux (1d 13h 39m 54s). Has said a total of 175 messages. Is idling for 9h 15m 6s, last said: 'draeath: which mounts are you asking about?'. Feb 17 18:32:35 wasap funkatron Feb 17 18:32:40 yello Feb 17 18:51:53 where does the int PDL_SetOrientation(int Orientation) go in the code? Feb 17 19:16:34 Hi all... I just install openssh thru Preware and now its asking for a userneme? any one has any idea Feb 17 19:16:58 I am trying to use sftp Feb 17 19:17:50 i think you're supposed to use public key authentication Feb 17 19:17:55 not username/password Feb 17 19:19:03 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:OpenSSH Feb 17 19:19:45 Thx.. do i type in all these conmands Feb 17 19:20:49 depending on the host OS Feb 17 19:21:39 Win7 Feb 17 19:21:48 i am using putty Feb 17 19:24:31 what does it mean by "Enter a passphrase for your private key file" Feb 17 19:25:00 are you reading this page then? Feb 17 19:25:00 http://unixwiz.net/techtips/putty-openssh.html Feb 17 19:26:46 Thx... Feb 17 19:28:59 er..got a problem..suddenly my pre is not going into usb mode any more. pressing and holding vol up and power just boots it normally it was fine until the last dr i did failed :S Feb 17 19:31:03 shit what do i do Feb 17 19:31:26 did you try orange+sym+u Feb 17 19:31:47 nope. i do that when its on or off? Feb 17 19:31:58 when you're in webos Feb 17 19:32:10 or you can't boot into webos? Feb 17 19:32:14 you should specify Feb 17 19:32:53 sorry. when i hld vol up and power, it always goes into usb mode but now it wont, tried 5 times. it boots normally to the normal screen as it would if you just pressed power Feb 17 19:32:55 the vol up thing is built in the kernel Feb 17 19:34:20 ok i did what you said and its put it into usb mode but the one where you see the pre on the screen not the one where you have the big white usb sign that means its ready to doctor sorry if i dont use the right terminology Feb 17 19:34:55 well can you doctor it in that USB mode? Feb 17 19:35:06 i don tthink so im just waiting for the doctor to download Feb 17 19:35:12 try it Feb 17 19:35:13 trying now: Feb 17 19:35:37 no. Feb 17 19:36:23 is there another way i can get it into that mode Feb 17 19:36:41 I would figure the vol up thing would have a better chance of being done than orange+sym+u Feb 17 19:36:50 it suddenly stopped working Feb 17 19:37:04 i tried to dr and the dr failed, phone rebooted and now i cant do it Feb 17 19:37:28 sounds like the boot loader might have gotten corrupted Feb 17 19:37:34 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Last_Resort_Emergency_BootLoader_Recovery Feb 17 19:37:38 oh hell.. Feb 17 19:37:48 Kyusaku: wait, what? Feb 17 19:38:02 its ok! Feb 17 19:38:05 * destinal reads backlog Feb 17 19:38:09 it just did it on the 6th go thank god Feb 17 19:38:16 iSmite's phone won't boot and doesn't go into the USB mode for doctoring Feb 17 19:38:17 that was really weird Feb 17 19:38:26 and no- i wasnt doing it wrong lol Feb 17 19:38:32 6th go and it worked Feb 17 19:38:50 strange Feb 17 19:39:11 ** (process:11240): CRITICAL **: purple_proxy_connect: assertion `port > 0' failed Feb 17 19:39:15 now THAT'S strange Feb 17 19:39:25 you probably were doing it wrong =) 99% of time it is human error Feb 17 19:39:31 :P Feb 17 19:39:39 ok its doctoring fine now Feb 17 19:39:41 panic over Feb 17 19:39:47 ok Feb 17 19:39:55 no lol i swear i wasnt Feb 17 19:40:00 ive done it so many times Feb 17 19:40:17 maybe your vol button is faulty Feb 17 19:40:27 this is my replacement pre Feb 17 19:40:29 that's the only thing that it could be Feb 17 19:40:30 got it yesterday Feb 17 19:40:36 is it new or refurbished Feb 17 19:40:37 cos the last one broke Feb 17 19:40:38 new Feb 17 19:40:48 you sure...? Feb 17 19:40:51 yep Feb 17 19:40:53 Kyusaku: well it depends, was the battery out or not? Feb 17 19:40:58 they pulled it out of a new box Feb 17 19:41:01 yes Feb 17 19:41:09 destinal, ask iSmite Feb 17 19:41:30 Because I suppose it could have been not completely powered off to begin Feb 17 19:41:37 this one has better build it seems than the last one and looks slightly different Feb 17 19:41:48 no i didnt touch that battery Feb 17 19:42:16 iSmite: does the keyboard have a different feel to it? Feb 17 19:42:32 i think so...it seems like 5% marginally springier Feb 17 19:42:36 I wonder if they're using the same build process as the new pre plus, just the orange colors and no upgrade to ram Feb 17 19:42:39 barely noticeable Feb 17 19:43:03 since pre plus was supposed to be a whole new build process with better quality Feb 17 19:43:04 GSM phones do their debug codes differently right? Feb 17 19:43:07 but my old pre had no plastic thing on the earpiece, this one does Feb 17 19:43:18 both were new Feb 17 19:43:21 should ask him to punch in the 786 code to see the build date Feb 17 19:43:32 i can do that on gsm? Feb 17 19:44:40 hmmm RTN seems to be CDMA only according to wiki Feb 17 19:45:05 but you flash with a meta-doctored sprint image don't you? Feb 17 19:45:18 i wish greg_roll was a real person and i could buy him beer Feb 17 19:45:38 no , i dont, i had one with the tars swapped but i went back to normal gsm Feb 17 19:45:53 oh I see Feb 17 19:46:08 giving up til 1.4? Feb 17 19:46:10 Mousey: is he an evil artificial intelligence? Feb 17 19:46:17 i cant seem to work metadoctor, ubuntu tells me my disks too small even when i set it to 20gb..it says i have set it to 1.3 gb lol Feb 17 19:46:24 pretty much yes Feb 17 19:46:34 he IS evil!! 4582734987529384752943 IM plugins, and JABBER is the only one that DOESN'T WORK Feb 17 19:46:42 =( Feb 17 19:46:43 greg_roll is like a rick roll only without the annoying Feb 17 19:46:48 why arent his patches in preware by the way? Feb 17 19:46:54 never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down Feb 17 19:46:56 gfq Feb 17 19:47:18 next time u rickroll someone do it with the bassroll- way better Feb 17 19:47:25 iSmite: uh, because he didn't put them there? Feb 17 19:47:36 gah i gathered that i was wondering why.. Feb 17 19:47:43 yeah, no idea there Feb 17 19:47:51 he hates me Feb 17 19:47:54 you'd think he'd want to put them in the webos-internals feed Feb 17 19:47:59 Palm needs to update those libpurple libraries Feb 17 19:48:00 yeah Feb 17 19:48:09 palm needs to give gsm users yahoo!!!! Feb 17 19:48:10 someone drop him a line!! Feb 17 19:48:29 i would, but i'm kinda mad at myself for not being able to fix his code right now, and would say things i didn't really mean Feb 17 19:49:05 I stopped using greg roll's plugin after it corrupted my messaging cookies Feb 17 19:49:59 I had to delete my backup and do full erase(although all you need to do is a partial erase) Feb 17 19:50:47 2010-02-17T19:50:30.025451Z [42154] palm-webos-device user.warning java: {com.palm.oasis.activerecord.ActiveRecordException}: PRIMARY KEY must be unique - executing: DELETE FROM com_palm_accounts_AccountType WHERE name='Jabber Feb 17 19:52:37 yes his plugin corrupted stuff on my old pre too Feb 17 19:52:49 thats wy i wanted the sprint webos i wanted legit yahoo Feb 17 19:53:03 s/yahoo/jabber/ Feb 17 19:53:04 but yah Feb 17 19:53:09 I created the private key and upload it to winSCP and it is still asking for a username Feb 17 19:53:13 adding yahoo mail on 1.3.5.2 doesn't add yahoo messenger? Feb 17 19:53:14 i'll take anything, as long as it works Feb 17 19:53:14 =/ Feb 17 19:53:31 or whatever the trick is suppose to be Feb 17 19:53:38 Saiks: user name is root Feb 17 19:54:06 my mistake, through contacts Feb 17 19:54:25 There we go.... thx! Feb 17 19:54:57 Palm needs to implement some sort of ignore or exclude to the contacts list Feb 17 19:55:23 for these read only sources Feb 17 19:56:14 and maybe add an ignored scene where if you want to undelete like an AIM contact or facebook contact you can recover it from there Feb 17 19:57:18 lol AT commands Feb 17 19:57:39 a) /var/log/messages, on my PHONE?? what fun... Feb 17 19:57:46 b) wow there's lots of cool info in messages Feb 17 19:58:40 haha Feb 17 19:58:52 there's a lot of cool stuff Feb 17 20:00:36 and if you like powerd messages for some reason, there's a plethora of cool stuff. Feb 17 20:01:36 kyusaku no you cant get yahoo without the patch believe me ive tried Feb 17 20:01:53 i dont get why they wouldnt let us have it, we use yahoo far more than americans they use msn or aim Feb 17 20:02:51 mdklein: that's why god invented "grep -v" Feb 17 20:02:54 i hope they give it us in 1.4 Feb 17 20:03:04 iSmite: and jabber too Feb 17 20:03:32 Mousey lavas the Jabber Feb 17 20:03:36 <3 Feb 17 20:03:55 i -have- aim/msn/yahoo transports, all i need is jabber working to reach any/all of them Feb 17 20:04:07 I like the idea of IM on my phone... but find it way too spammy... I think I need to create a new name and just give people limited access to it Feb 17 20:04:17 destinal: Now i am having an error type timeout message... Say server has sent an exit status 127 Feb 17 20:04:46 I like the idea of IM on my phone but find the battery drain a bit much at least in Palm's current implementation Feb 17 20:04:55 yeah, that too Feb 17 20:05:11 we need Mojo Messaging Service! Feb 17 20:05:18 smartreflex has allowed me to enjoy IM on all the time Feb 17 20:05:51 but I don't get to enjoy other things, there's a few webosinternals things that put my phone in remove battery state while SR is on Feb 17 20:05:52 exit status 127 traditionally means File Not Found Feb 17 20:06:20 I don't know if this matter but i saved the key as private instead of public and i'm usinf winscp Feb 17 20:07:23 Saiks: private and public keys are not interchangable Feb 17 20:08:12 So should i convert the key to public instead cuz i thk thats what winscp is asking for Feb 17 20:08:39 I don't know anything about windows, but probably Feb 17 20:12:06 Saiks: use putty's puttygen Feb 17 20:12:19 it can convert an openssh public key into one usable by putty and winscp Feb 17 20:13:04 loot: that's what i'm using. It will not allow public keys Feb 17 20:14:06 it does allow public keys Feb 17 20:14:09 you're doing it wrong Feb 17 20:14:09 :( Feb 17 20:14:20 im actually looking at it right now Feb 17 20:14:29 loot: its asking if the host is running sftp server Feb 17 20:14:30 one of my openssh key's converted using puttygen Feb 17 20:14:35 is opening a connection in winscp Feb 17 20:14:37 without issue Feb 17 20:15:19 It's also saying cannot initialize sftp protocol Feb 17 20:24:04 sftp != scp/ssh Feb 17 20:35:06 zsoc: sftp is a subprocess of openssh daemon and uses ssh as transport Feb 17 20:35:37 Saiks: sftp has to be enabled in openssh daemon config Feb 17 20:36:54 Saiks: the config option to enable it: Subsystem sftp /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server in /etc/sshd/config or whereever your sshd config is located Feb 17 20:37:30 debilater: I have learned something Feb 17 20:38:26 debilater: Oh... is there a code to enable that feature. I installed it using preware. Feb 17 20:40:49 Saiks: ah, is there an extra package for it? I didn't know... Feb 17 20:41:29 zsoc: well, the sftp package has ssh as dependency Feb 17 20:41:45 Saiks: i'll take a look, momplz Feb 17 20:42:21 Ok ...thx Feb 17 21:07:43 Ok, I have two google voice invites left if anyone cares to try it out. Feb 17 21:08:42 hm saiks left the channel ... Feb 17 21:11:24 i have a ton of google voice invites left Feb 17 21:11:28 i didnt use any of them Feb 17 21:13:11 zsoc: if he/she comes back: I think he/she has dropbear installed. in this case opensshd doesn't start. if you kill dropbear and start opensshd (with "start mobi.optware.openssh") then it works, because it has sftp enabled by default Feb 17 21:17:39 A ton? Then sendz0r those invites to me. Feb 17 21:45:08 S U C C E S S ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !! ! Feb 17 21:45:12 THANKS jeffgus Feb 17 21:45:54 jabber now working successfully from self-signed privately owned jabber server Feb 17 21:45:57 on pre Feb 17 21:46:03 milestone 1 reached Feb 17 21:46:16 * Mousey writes greg_roll thread about bug Feb 17 21:46:52 * Mousey gives jeffgus free cookies Feb 17 21:46:54 Mousey, so it works? Feb 17 21:46:54 good find Feb 17 21:46:55 yes Feb 17 21:47:16 kewl Feb 17 21:47:16 no OTR, but whatevs.. Feb 17 21:47:20 heh Feb 17 21:47:36 that will come later Feb 17 21:47:37 :) Feb 17 21:49:14 We'll See(tm) Feb 17 21:49:29 i still need that kernel driver for making monitors obsolete, too. that's been a couple years now? Feb 17 21:54:07 Mousey: so how did you enable jabber? Feb 17 21:55:58 debilater_off, http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/205914-messaging-plugins-live-yahoo-icq.html Feb 17 22:00:22 ah that patch, it bricked my pre some months ago, I'll never touch it again Feb 17 22:00:58 ~brick Feb 17 22:00:59 Send email to mailto:bootldr@handhelds.org with details if you believe that you have bricked your ipaq Feb 17 22:01:05 lol Feb 17 22:01:12 ~bricked Feb 17 22:01:17 hm Feb 17 22:01:33 infobot: bricked is a misnomer Feb 17 22:01:34 zsoc: okay Feb 17 22:22:31 morning Feb 17 22:22:46 * BoomerET waves Feb 17 22:28:44 Did everyone update their patches to aupt-3 without issue? Feb 17 22:29:31 rwhitby: i believe the lack of people complaining is a good sign Feb 17 22:31:07 yeah, just the usual crop of people who've done stuff outside of preware or with the wrong wosqi version Feb 17 22:31:40 zsoc: did you see gsmwav is in the testing feed? Feb 17 22:32:03 rwhitby: yes :) in fact i have already had someone test it with excellent results. thank yo for your help Feb 17 22:32:19 cool - found any pixi testers? Feb 17 22:33:51 rwhitby: unfortunately no Feb 17 22:57:53 there Feb 17 22:58:03 i posted how to make jabber teh working with greg_roll's awesome sauce Feb 17 23:02:23 does anyone know why my photo I download using the downloadManager API does not show up in photos. my guess is that the file indexer needs to be rescaned, how can I make it show up without reboot Feb 17 23:09:51 my patches updated smoothly Feb 17 23:17:19 zsoc: bricked is not a misnomer. you may have damaged your hardware Feb 17 23:17:47 and it may be as useful as a brick at that point Feb 17 23:18:02 infobot: no, bricked is a misnomer, when referring to a webos device, unless you have damaged hardware. Feb 17 23:18:03 zsoc: okay Feb 17 23:18:18 bbiab Feb 17 23:23:37 Suburban station, one of the BIG center-city rail stations in Philadelphia is plastered with Palm-branded ads for the Pre and Pixi today Feb 17 23:24:10 On my train platform and on both the platforms on either side, palm had ALL of the ad space that I could see. Feb 17 23:27:05 http://imgur.com/rBlLu Feb 17 23:27:17 nt4cats: palm or one of the carriers did? Feb 17 23:27:35 oh wow Feb 17 23:27:36 palm did Feb 17 23:27:37 look at the link -- I don't see any carrier branding. All palm Feb 17 23:27:41 yea Feb 17 23:27:44 thats very cool Feb 17 23:27:54 thats a good sign IMHO Feb 17 23:27:59 The pixi ad looks the same, just with a pixi instead of a pre Feb 17 23:29:06 well when you see carriers really pumping a device it means they're not selling well Feb 17 23:29:32 when you see the manufacturer advertising it usually means things are going well... making money and want to expand their user base Feb 17 23:32:13 I was pretty surprised, I wanted to take more pics, but people sitting on the benches were wondering why I was trying to take pictures of them (that and my train arrived very soon after I did) Feb 17 23:32:45 haha Feb 17 23:32:49 did you take pics with your palm? Feb 17 23:32:57 yep, with my pre's camera Feb 17 23:33:02 that would have been excellent if someone snapped you with your phone clearly visible Feb 17 23:33:05 haha Feb 17 23:37:55 They're probably the same ads here in San Francisco BART stations. They're all over the place. Feb 17 23:38:55 they have them in the DC metro also just not the whole station Feb 17 23:39:06 plus i think most of the ones ive seen have been for sprint pre/pixi Feb 17 23:41:05 BoomerET: do they look like this http://imgur.com/rBlLu Feb 17 23:45:15 Yakima? Feb 17 23:48:51 yeah Feb 17 23:50:27 I hear it's lovely there this time of year. Feb 17 23:51:26 its not bad Feb 17 23:54:58 according to a big sign by the freeway, its the "palm springs of washington" Feb 17 23:55:06 heh Feb 17 23:55:19 which is always funny when there is snow on it Feb 17 23:55:52 http://www.barraclou.com/photo/skyline/wa/yakima_palmsprings.jpg Feb 17 23:55:53 lol Feb 17 23:56:14 first GIS result Feb 17 23:56:36 I saw a bunch of folks on the precentral forums complaining that updating their patches to AUPTv3 was a nightmare -- I assume that was due to the HideAppVendors issue. Do y'all encourage me to press "update all" or to wait a bit? Feb 17 23:57:15 i updated one at a time when mine came up Feb 18 00:00:31 but i've only got 5 patches Feb 18 00:01:27 I'm updating my patches using the patented Oil Technique (TM) Feb 18 00:01:45 * nt4cats sends oil .00231 in royalties Feb 18 00:03:11 * oil take it to the bank Feb 18 00:03:55 its funny, because i wrote the code behind the update all button, but didn't use it xD Feb 18 00:04:04 egaudet: ping Feb 18 00:05:20 rwhitby, pong Feb 18 00:06:56 nt4cats, yes, that's similiar to what they look like, the Palm emblem at the bottom, but there's probably 5-6 different ones. Feb 18 00:07:03 egaudet: so I ran EFV, and got 2 aupt-2 patches listed. Feb 18 00:07:52 patches or files? Feb 18 00:08:10 sorry, files Feb 18 00:08:32 which Feb 18 00:08:46 it would have been a device menu aupt-2 patch which I removed well before aupt-3 Feb 18 00:09:18 controllers/devicemenu-assistant.js and views/devicemenu/devicemenu-scene.hmtl Feb 18 00:10:38 are those files currently patched? Feb 18 00:10:58 I LOVE MY PHONE! Feb 18 00:11:16 time to check in with Funabol and see how my SyncML client is coming Feb 18 00:11:41 egaudet: yeah, with a different devicemenu aupt-3 patch Feb 18 00:11:49 (I changed from megamix to ultramix) Feb 18 00:11:53 why? Feb 18 00:12:00 seems megamix is bettar? Feb 18 00:12:17 quicker access to data on/off (.au doesn't have unlimited data plans) Feb 18 00:12:37 ah Feb 18 00:12:42 makey sensey Feb 18 00:12:47 i thought you were in london Feb 18 00:12:49 * Mousey is lost Feb 18 00:13:45 I like having access to more options which is why I stick to megamix Feb 18 00:13:45 rwhitby, are the md5sums of the .webosinternals.orig files stock ? Feb 18 00:14:15 * Mousey agrees with Kyusaku Feb 18 00:14:24 hmm - my production Pre didn't complete rebooting for some reason ... time for triple switch reboot Feb 18 00:14:35 egaudet: I'll look once it's rebooted Feb 18 00:15:33 rwhitby, so you had megamix aupt-2 installed. Did you update any to aupt-3 before removing it? Feb 18 00:17:33 egaudet: I believe I would have had aupt-2 megamix installed, then removed, then installed aupt-2 ultramix, then update all to aupt-3 Feb 18 00:18:20 egaudet: I also have a org.webosinternals.patches.top-bar-device-menu-megamix aupt-1 line in .webosinternals.patches.packages Feb 18 00:18:48 so maybe I had aupt-1 megamix installed, then removed, then aupt-2 ultramix installed, then update all to aupt-3 Feb 18 00:19:29 dBsooner: ping Feb 18 00:20:48 egaudet: /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.patches.top-bar-device-menu-ultramix/md5sums fails Feb 18 00:21:06 egaudet: does that file list mdsums before or after application of the patch? Feb 18 00:21:28 ah, must be before I guess Feb 18 00:22:01 I don't understand the question? Feb 18 00:22:08 oh the md5sums file Feb 18 00:22:22 md5sum the backup file Feb 18 00:22:29 egaudet: md5sums of the .webosinternals.orig backup files match what's in the md5sums file Feb 18 00:22:37 d8597eec20497e1bfa69746de8930566 /usr/lib/luna/system/luna-systemui/app/controllers/devicemenu-assistant.js.webosinternals.orig Feb 18 00:22:42 e6e3fdce814f16b5be5c2da41a0098fe /usr/lib/luna/system/luna-systemui/app/views/devicemenu/devicemenu-scene.html.webosinternals.orig Feb 18 00:22:55 so that should have updated the file_list to aupt-3 then hmm Feb 18 00:23:18 oh I see Feb 18 00:24:23 well EFV is lame Feb 18 00:24:50 but I'll fix that in aupt-3 postinst to actually update the packages file when the orig md5sum is good on install Feb 18 00:25:03 I forgot to awk the first field out in my comparison Feb 18 00:25:33 I have sort of a weird question can't find the answer to anywhere Feb 18 00:25:39 42 Feb 18 00:25:41 rboatright: you here? Feb 18 00:25:44 ha Feb 18 00:25:46 Bazinga Feb 18 00:25:59 is it possible to change the standard touchstone behavior? Feb 18 00:26:06 as in not just show a black screen with the time? Feb 18 00:26:25 Why is that a weird question? Feb 18 00:26:46 And I thought Touchstone was the Disney branch that did non-G/PG movies. Feb 18 00:26:56 I've searched around and it seems weird because no one else has asked it I guess Feb 18 00:26:59 wagedomain: brightness unlinked does that Feb 18 00:28:48 wagedomain: there's either turning it off with brightness unlinked, or a patch by Jason R. to keep the screen on while on the touchstone Feb 18 00:31:49 Where's a good place to pick one up at a non-inflated price? Ebay? Feb 18 00:32:09 Depends, do you need the back too? Feb 18 00:40:56 dBsooner, ping Feb 18 00:48:13 i'm so pissed Feb 18 00:48:34 fuckers at sprint didn;t replaced my phone... Feb 18 00:48:54 i got the crack next to usb port and they said that it's my fault because I was using usb port Feb 18 00:53:34 hmm, my sms 2 second patch is missing Feb 18 00:53:36 I need someone to help me choose a distro for a desktop environment. Feb 18 00:53:39 NANI Feb 18 00:53:55 zsoc: it makes more sense to choose a desktop environment, rather than a distro Feb 18 00:54:01 zsoc: if you are a RPM guy, I'd do Fedora. If you're a .deb guy I'd do Ubuntu Feb 18 00:54:08 how to restore palm profile and all apps after full erase? anyone knows? Feb 18 00:54:09 nt4cats: spot on, brutha Feb 18 00:54:24 Mousey: er, for the purpose of desktop use :p Feb 18 00:54:40 I'm stuck between Slackware or Gentoo for my "hacker" side, or Ubuntu or Debian for my "I like .debs" side. Feb 18 00:55:22 I'm familiar with portage. I have no idea the first thing about Slackware but I always wanted to make the plunge. This box is currently running an old Ubuntu, and I'm curious about the differences between Ubuntu and Debian. Feb 18 00:55:32 nt4cats: rpm is not my thing Feb 18 00:56:12 anyone? :) Feb 18 00:56:21 en0x: the first use app? Feb 18 00:56:39 is there a way to force it without using preware? Feb 18 00:56:46 [; Feb 18 00:57:11 anyway sprint pissed me off I'm calling palm now Feb 18 01:00:00 en0x: ##rtn + your msl i believe will do a full reset and bring you to firstuse app? Feb 18 01:01:32 zsoc: I decided that hacking my desktop environment was ultimately reducing my productivity for hacking other things, so I chose MacOSX ;-) Feb 18 01:01:44 jmm msl Feb 18 01:01:52 zsoc, i got access to ssh to my pre Feb 18 01:01:56 where is the first use app? Feb 18 01:01:57 zsoc: if you have billions and billions of dollars like rwhitby, I hear MacOSX is nice Feb 18 01:02:14 * rwhitby wishes Feb 18 01:03:08 I couldn't imagine using an OS _less_ customizable than linux. Feb 18 01:03:18 * zsoc is clearly a snob Feb 18 01:03:36 rwhitby: and you do not wish you had billions of dollars, that's just bad news Feb 18 01:04:19 zsoc: a spare hundred grand would do nicely Feb 18 01:04:58 zsoc: there trouble is there is more than one Linux UI, so you waste all your time trying to choose which UI to use Feb 18 01:05:01 rwhitby: that i can agree with Feb 18 01:05:21 rwhitby: not really, I don't use any of them. I just X with a compiz overlay, and avant window navigator for a dock Feb 18 01:05:27 actually, I basically _use_ MacOS Feb 18 01:05:32 * zsoc boggles at this realization Feb 18 01:06:17 zsoc: yep, and if you go with the flow, someone else maintains that setup for you Feb 18 01:06:30 ha Feb 18 01:10:34 sup sup? Feb 18 01:11:35 lol Feb 18 01:11:56 ok so in firstuse app I changed visible false to "visible": "true", Feb 18 01:12:14 and when I tap the first use app after luna restart I get just the sky background Feb 18 01:12:18 :D Feb 18 01:13:06 so the app is broken? Feb 18 01:13:16 looks like it lol Feb 18 01:13:59 idk so should i talk to palm or sprint about the crack the guy at sprint store said that it's my fault for using the usb port Feb 18 01:14:18 and he was full of shit... Feb 18 01:14:59 en0x: you broke the phone by using the usb port? Feb 18 01:15:11 i made a crack next to usb port by using it Feb 18 01:15:12 :S Feb 18 01:15:25 talent Feb 18 01:15:42 but the thig is that I maybe used it 10 times in 8 months Feb 18 01:15:52 to transfer files Feb 18 01:15:58 the crack is next to usb door Feb 18 01:17:11 screw this man... i'm paying 7 bucks everymonth so my device is covered Feb 18 01:17:14 en0x: my friend got Palm to replace his Pre free of charge for center button sourced cracks Feb 18 01:17:24 center button is common Feb 18 01:17:55 I've seen a lot of USB sourced cracks issues on the forums Feb 18 01:18:06 zsoc, the funny thing was... ok we will replace the device at sprint give as an hour... ok so I came back and the guy from sprint said that they will not replace it because it's not a cosmetic damage Feb 18 01:18:28 en0x: charge him for an hour Feb 18 01:18:53 i wanted to talk to manager but they said that he is not at work today Feb 18 01:20:07 en0x: go to a different store? Feb 18 01:20:14 one with geeks that run preware Feb 18 01:24:23 en0x: tell them you're rod whitby Feb 18 01:24:28 lol Feb 18 01:24:45 or rick james Feb 18 01:24:48 im talking to palm Feb 18 01:24:54 screw sprint :p Feb 18 01:25:05 palm is pretty lenient Feb 18 01:25:42 I echatted them about my AC charger going on the fritz. And they sent me the whole international charging kit Feb 18 01:25:48 well first sprint says that they will replace then when i come back within an hour they pretty much tell me to go and f myself Feb 18 01:25:49 for free Feb 18 01:25:55 2 gous were talking to me about this Feb 18 01:26:09 and I was like wtf man... everyone was looking at me at the store Feb 18 01:26:23 and for good by I said I will call sprint and tell them about u guys Feb 18 01:26:26 * Mousey knows the differences between ubuntu and debian intimately Feb 18 01:26:27 s/by/bye Feb 18 01:26:39 Mousey: share? Feb 18 01:26:44 in fact Feb 18 01:27:39 little known fact, "Ubuntu" is actually an ancient African word that means "For people too lazy to install Debian package by package" Feb 18 01:27:44 do you have nicknames for them? Feb 18 01:27:49 Mousey: I have never heard that joke Feb 18 01:27:54 true story Feb 18 01:28:06 Mousey: You are certainly the first person to ever utter it Feb 18 01:28:30 no way, i utter it tons Feb 18 01:28:57 basically Ubuntu is repackaged debian. a subset, if you will Feb 18 01:28:58 Mousey: did you know facetious is one of only 2 english words that has all 5 vowels in order? Feb 18 01:29:14 zsoc: i think you have some ulterior meaning Feb 18 01:31:18 Mousey: you know anything about usb hubs? i can't mount any external harddrive or even solid state/usb drive, or even get them to show up as devices. dmesg shows gibberish Feb 18 01:32:11 uh Feb 18 01:32:15 dmesg never shows gibberish Feb 18 01:32:21 or timestamps Feb 18 01:32:47 Mousey: i'm sorry, by 'gibberish' i mean 'nothing' Feb 18 01:33:01 hard drive light is on... fdisk -l doesn't show it either Feb 18 01:33:08 Kyusaku: can I get one of the Australian plugs from that free international charging kit you got? Feb 18 01:33:20 tried restarting the usb_storage module Feb 18 01:33:31 rwhitby: seriously? Feb 18 01:33:39 3.5 or 2.5" drives? Feb 18 01:33:42 Kyusaku: seriously Feb 18 01:33:48 haha ok. Feb 18 01:34:16 lemme know what it looks like Feb 18 01:34:22 You can imagine that from the three Pre's that I own, each with US or EU plugs, I can do with a couple of Australian plugs. Feb 18 01:34:22 zsoc: the ssD sticks are probably a voltage issue, hub isn't supplying enough juice Feb 18 01:34:23 so I pack the right one Feb 18 01:34:32 Kyusaku: it's the one with angled pins Feb 18 01:34:39 Mousey: that's likely the problem. so it's my pwned powersupply then? Feb 18 01:34:50 could be, UNLESS Feb 18 01:35:13 if the external drives your plugging in have their own PSU, and still don't work, my hypothesis holds less water Feb 18 01:35:14 Mousey: i tried turning the brightness down on my monitor lol Feb 18 01:35:20 Kyusaku: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AS_3112 Feb 18 01:35:20 lul Feb 18 01:35:27 Mousey: i have no self-powered drives Feb 18 01:35:50 in that case, it could be your hubs aren't USB2.0 and the drives don't wanna downstep? Feb 18 01:35:56 * zsoc finds one of those cables with 2 usb ports, and plugs the second one into a different computer Feb 18 01:36:00 i'd need to see your lawgs Feb 18 01:36:01 ok, PM address info I will pack and mail tomorrow Feb 18 01:36:08 Mousey: like i said, no dmesg. what other logs? Feb 18 01:36:17 zsoc: what distro, ubuntu? /var/log/syslog Feb 18 01:37:07 Kyusaku: I'll be happy to paypal you the postage costs. Feb 18 01:37:09 heh palm will exchange the phone but the thing is if this was a physical damage they will charge me... eh Feb 18 01:37:46 rwhitby, no worries, I'll cover it. Least I can do for all your work with WebOS Internals Feb 18 01:38:03 Kyusaku: you are a kind man, thank you. Feb 18 01:39:12 Mousey: 4.581879] ehci_hcd: USB 2.0 'Enhanced' Host Controller (EHCI) Driver <--- does that thing have a module? or something to restart? lsmod shows nothing like it Feb 18 01:39:31 I'd happily mail rwhitby Australian things, but the only allegedly-Australian thing in my house at the moment is a bottle of wine ... Feb 18 01:39:35 it might just be built in Feb 18 01:39:45 if you want to unbind/rebind it might work Feb 18 01:40:01 tmzt: more info please. what am i unbinding? Feb 18 01:40:27 rwhitby: do you just use adapters for your existing ones? Feb 18 01:40:32 the ehci_hcd driver Feb 18 01:40:33 you're killin me here Feb 18 01:40:38 350 foot usb cables? Feb 18 01:40:39 bad bad Feb 18 01:40:40 on what distribution? Feb 18 01:40:48 destinal: for one I use the eu plug into an adapter that I have Feb 18 01:40:50 tmzt: ubuntu Feb 18 01:41:00 2.0 shouldn't negotiate at the distance Feb 18 01:41:08 you might have to unbind the pci device Feb 18 01:41:27 that syntax is annoying Feb 18 01:41:30 I think i'm going to restart with nousb, heh. I remember that fixing a similar issue once Feb 18 01:41:52 * zsoc googles unbinding drivers Feb 18 01:42:00 * Mousey is distracted, normally i'm more helpful Feb 18 01:42:14 rwhitby: I'd probably have taken regulated 5v AU supplies and made usb adapters for them :) (then again unneeded if you have one with adapter already) Feb 18 01:42:24 0000:00:1a.7/ bind new_id uevent Feb 18 01:42:25 0000:00:1d.7/ module/ remove_id unbind Feb 18 01:42:25 root@shini:~# ls /sys/module/ehci_hcd/drivers/pci\:ehci_hcd/ Feb 18 01:42:38 echo that first part (the pci id) into remove_id Feb 18 01:42:43 then again into bind Feb 18 01:42:51 I really _should have an ehci_hcd module i thought. Feb 18 01:43:00 use lcpci -vn to check which pci id Feb 18 01:43:07 I think it's builtin now Feb 18 01:43:49 destinal: but the palm power supplies are so cute Feb 18 01:46:28 zsoc: sorry, that's in /sys/module/ehci_hcd/drivers/pci\:ehci_hcd/ Feb 18 01:46:57 sooo.... Feb 18 01:47:47 echo " 1002:4373" > /sys/module/ehci_hcd/drivers/pci\:ehci_hcd/unbind ? Feb 18 01:48:10 oh, remove_id Feb 18 01:48:21 remove id if you used the vend:prod Feb 18 01:48:29 ubind if you use the pci address Feb 18 01:48:34 lspci shows 00:13.2 0c03: 1002:4373, i'm not sure what part of that is which Feb 18 01:48:47 0000:00:13.2 Feb 18 01:48:48 so I can use remove_id with 1002:4373? Feb 18 01:48:58 maybe not if it's built in the driver Feb 18 01:49:04 but the pci address should work Feb 18 01:49:13 so i should use 0c03 with unbind? Feb 18 01:50:02 I don't know what address that is Feb 18 01:50:07 I think it's what I gave you Feb 18 01:50:26 No, that's the address that my lspci shows Feb 18 01:51:29 permission denied :p Feb 18 01:52:07 no such device Feb 18 01:52:13 ok i'm going to stop spamming and figure this out Feb 18 01:52:19 tmzt: thank you for your help Feb 18 01:52:38 06:34 < tmzt> 0000:00:13.2 Feb 18 01:53:18 rwhitby: good point :) Feb 18 01:55:57 zsoc: _what_ are you trying to do? Feb 18 01:56:20 destinal: don't even ask Feb 18 01:57:03 tmzt: actually worked Feb 18 01:57:23 tmzt: never done something like that without restart, actually really freaking cool Feb 18 01:57:28 why is there no utility for this? Feb 18 01:57:38 what, a Device Manager for linux :) ? Feb 18 01:57:52 tmzt: hm.. uh.. something that does whatever that just did :P Feb 18 01:58:32 tmzt: it didn't fix my problem even a little bit ;) dmesg just shows the hub restarting, finding my usb ports... and that's it. even when i plug in a drive Feb 18 01:58:36 it's gotta be a powersupply thing Feb 18 02:02:20 * Mousey EPRs again Feb 18 02:02:22 ;_: Feb 18 02:02:31 s/:/;/ Feb 18 02:03:27 zsoc: there is a utility for it, you just used it! Feb 18 02:04:10 * Mousey huggles jacques Feb 18 02:04:18 see you this weekend! Feb 18 02:04:20 oh god, i feel like i'm mudding Feb 18 02:04:25 saturday is my birthday! Feb 18 02:06:05 Mousey: do you have a webos book yet? Feb 18 02:06:08 bbiab Feb 18 02:06:11 HA! Feb 18 02:06:13 no =( Feb 18 02:06:26 Mousey: good, I've organised one for you for your birthday gift Feb 18 02:06:32 YAY!! ^_^ Feb 18 02:07:55 Mousey: but you have to turn up to SCALE to recieve it Feb 18 02:08:04 ok so i got the advance exchange from palm Feb 18 02:08:28 rwhitby: i'll be on a plane tomorrow, and in ka6sox's clutches before dinnertime Feb 18 02:08:43 * Mousey thinks . o O ( hmm, sounds dirty ) Feb 18 02:09:00 Mousey: :-D Feb 18 02:09:07 =P Feb 18 02:09:13 i'm excited =) Feb 18 02:09:20 i got jabber and wirc. i'm ready to roll Feb 18 02:09:22 ^_^ Feb 18 02:09:36 well i will have jabber.. if i can keep frm f'ing up my phone every couple hours.. ;) Feb 18 02:19:31 aaaaaaaaaand Feb 18 02:19:32 BAM! Feb 18 02:19:38 patchless in Seattle Feb 18 02:24:30 patchless eww Feb 18 02:24:44 that's frowned upon in today's society Feb 18 02:25:02 i know.. but sometimes i abuse them, and they retaliate by borking my phone Feb 18 02:25:20 I refuse to believe it Feb 18 02:25:21 uh oh Feb 18 02:25:35 it doesn't LOOK unpatched >_> Feb 18 02:25:37 <_< Feb 18 02:25:42 crap Feb 18 02:26:20 ive been patchless for 2 days! Feb 18 02:26:29 i miss my patches Feb 18 02:26:47 but my Pre definitely runs smoother Feb 18 02:27:07 guys did u know Feb 18 02:27:29 that sprint is asking for yor palm profile password and email while replacing phones? Feb 18 02:27:46 fail Feb 18 02:27:49 really? Feb 18 02:27:54 what for? Feb 18 02:27:57 yeah Feb 18 02:27:59 report them to palm! Feb 18 02:28:11 they told to me write my palm profile password on a sheet of paper Feb 18 02:28:15 >_> Feb 18 02:28:17 i told them no! Feb 18 02:28:30 Mousey, what's your patch malfunction Feb 18 02:28:43 and the guys is... you will have to activate your palm profile by yourself Feb 18 02:28:48 and i'm like LOL? Feb 18 02:29:36 i just EPR'd, but 5x4 survived, as did haptic everywhere Feb 18 02:29:40 who knows what else Feb 18 02:29:46 Lies Feb 18 02:29:49 just reinstall them Feb 18 02:30:04 run EFV to see what files aren't stock Feb 18 02:31:03 Mousey: i had to epr because that haptic patch wouldnt go away Epr= fixed on mine Feb 18 02:33:24 crapwell.. ttyl **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Feb 18 02:59:57 2010