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Feb 23 03:01:56 <zsoc> rwhitby, i'm trying to figure out how to get staging.mk to react different to DEPENDS based on if the Makefile is in packages/ or nonworking/, but I'm not sure where to start.
Feb 23 03:02:27 <zsoc> rwhitby, ie: i'd like Makefiles in packages/ to work the way it does now, but Makefiles in nonworking/ to also check ../nonworking as well as packages/ for deps
Feb 23 03:03:21 <zsoc> and makefile scrips makes my head hurt :(
Feb 23 03:03:53 * rwhitby bbl (lunch)
Feb 23 03:17:38 <zsoc> What is the most efficient arch/chipset for compiling stuff? Just pure speed? Or does gcc take advantage of multithreading? Like if i wanted to build a box for compiling stuff, would i be better off with a core chip?
Feb 23 03:18:35 <bpadalino> just for gcc and compiling, you can try icecream
Feb 23 03:18:56 <bpadalino> http://en.opensuse.org/Icecream
Feb 23 03:22:29 <zsoc> bpadalino, interesting. if i ever bother setting up all the hardware i have laying around to do anything useful, this would be the reason lol
Feb 23 03:22:49 <bpadalino> heh
Feb 23 03:23:37 <zsoc> olympic icedancing to linkin park, interesting
Feb 23 03:23:47 <farms> olympics?
Feb 23 03:24:13 <zsoc> farms, winter olympics have been going on for days in vancover?
Feb 23 03:24:14 <farms> when is 1.4 coming out!
Feb 23 03:24:20 <farms> lol
Feb 23 03:24:22 <zsoc> farms, when it's good and ready
Feb 23 03:24:36 <zsoc> do you want a buggy 1.4 last week or a solid 1.4 next week? :P
Feb 23 03:25:29 <farms> agreed just play more wow I guess
Feb 23 03:27:00 <zsoc> heh
Feb 23 03:32:46 <farms> can't wait for it on my pre plus
Feb 23 03:33:01 <farms> hope it fixes my keyboard double types
Feb 23 03:39:55 <zsoc> farms, that will probably be a carrier specific bugfix, assuming it's a software issue, maybe a 1.4.1 :p
Feb 23 03:40:40 <farms> lol I know I'm not the only one
Feb 23 03:50:39 <azakus> gah, making a background application is really  not well documented
Feb 23 03:51:06 <azakus> anybody have a good example of a background application?
Feb 23 03:51:48 <zsoc> azakus, define background application
Feb 23 03:52:10 <azakus> dashboard; an application that has a dashboard stage (or panel) but no card stage
Feb 23 03:52:30 <azakus> a stage that doesn't have a card, but exists in the panel
Feb 23 03:55:21 <zsoc> woo suddenly logged out for no reason
Feb 23 03:56:39 <azakus> ok, I'm just going to release this as jstop 0.0.9 and work on the background part sometime this week
Feb 23 03:57:13 <azakus> new features: just list a specific app, show anonymous processes, automatic garbage collection every 5 minutes (on/off switch in menu)
Feb 23 03:57:23 <zsoc> azakus, nice
Feb 23 04:00:16 <Decimate> okay... so ive stopped with the emulator.. and im just trying to use putty to login to my pre
Feb 23 04:00:30 <Decimate> i tried ports 5522, 22, and 222 cause i forgot which one it was
Feb 23 04:00:35 <Decimate> and i used my ip on the pre
Feb 23 04:00:45 <Decimate> and it just doesnt let me in :/
Feb 23 04:03:56 <zsoc> "my ip on the pre"
Feb 23 04:04:03 <Decimate> the wifi ip
Feb 23 04:04:07 <Decimate> 192.168.1.105
Feb 23 04:04:44 <zsoc> are you getting a login
Feb 23 04:05:50 <Decimate> it does nothing :/
Feb 23 04:06:16 <bpadalino> throw it out the window
Feb 23 04:06:17 <zsoc> you could run netstat -pl on the pre to verify sshd is running and on what port
Feb 23 04:06:22 <zsoc> bpadalino, i love you :>
Feb 23 04:06:38 <bpadalino> <3
Feb 23 04:06:53 <Decimate> installing terminal now
Feb 23 04:06:56 <zsoc> i love having a different error everytime i try to build something
Feb 23 04:06:59 <zsoc> it actually is great
Feb 23 04:07:41 <azakus> jstop 0.0.9 pushed
Feb 23 04:08:41 <Decimate> i typed netstat -pl
Feb 23 04:08:54 <Decimate> it gave me the biggest amount of nonsense i'd never understand
Feb 23 04:09:23 <zsoc> Decimate, oh cmon it's not that bad
Feb 23 04:09:25 <zsoc> fine
Feb 23 04:09:32 <zsoc> Decimate, netstat -pl | grep -i sshd
Feb 23 04:10:08 <zsoc> option+.
Feb 23 04:11:20 <zsoc> odd, i need gtk-doc-tools installed _locally_ to gnu install gstreamer
Feb 23 04:13:43 <Decimate> okay.. so i made my own underprivelleged username
Feb 23 04:13:46 <Decimate> and now it says
Feb 23 04:13:59 <Decimate> Disconnected: No supported authentication methods available
Feb 23 04:14:04 <Decimate> (using winscp)
Feb 23 04:15:20 <Decimate> and how do i do the | symbol on my pres terminal
Feb 23 04:16:38 <zsoc> Decimate, in preparation for your question easily answered by reading documentation, i actually already answered it (check up a few lines)
Feb 23 04:16:58 <zsoc> Decimate, by default, ssh only allows connections using rsa keys (passwords simply aren't secure)
Feb 23 04:17:37 <Decimate> option+
Feb 23 04:17:44 <zsoc> .
Feb 23 04:18:14 <Decimate> 4456/sshd
Feb 23 04:19:29 <zsoc> Decimate, that's the only line? odd. maybe i have no idea what i'm doing, because i doubt openssh installs on 4456
Feb 23 04:20:49 <zsoc> Decimate, http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:OpenSSH
Feb 23 04:21:27 <Decimate> okay.. i made the key and put it the the media/internal
Feb 23 04:23:37 <zsoc> Decimate, key needs to go somewhere your client can read it
Feb 23 04:23:53 <zsoc> i know nothing about windows ssh clients, but i'm imaging there is plenty of documentation on winscp and putty
Feb 23 04:25:39 <Decimate> okay, so i loaded the private key in winscp
Feb 23 04:25:48 <Decimate> and is ask for a username
Feb 23 04:27:38 <zsoc> Decimate, 222 or 22?
Feb 23 04:27:44 <Decimate> 22
Feb 23 04:28:58 <zsoc> Decimate, try 222, also how did you install openssh?
Feb 23 04:29:08 <Decimate> i try 222
Feb 23 04:29:14 <Decimate> it still ask for a username
Feb 23 04:29:19 <Decimate> and i installed via preware
Feb 23 04:29:32 <zsoc> Decimate, that's probably bad
Feb 23 04:29:46 <zsoc> Decimate, it should only work on 22, not 222, and it should work with key without password
Feb 23 04:30:12 <zsoc> Decimate, i believe the proper folder for the key on the pre is /home/root/.ssh
Feb 23 04:30:24 <Decimate> i think im just going to go into preware
Feb 23 04:30:28 <Decimate> uninstall openssh
Feb 23 04:30:30 <Decimate> and quit
Feb 23 04:30:35 <Decimate> as its 11:30 and i have school.
Feb 23 04:31:18 <zsoc> Decimate, /home/root/.ssh/authorized_keys <-
Feb 23 04:31:23 <zsoc> bah, school
Feb 23 04:31:38 <zsoc> you should fix this and feel accomplished instead
Feb 23 04:31:57 <Decimate> meh.. i havent been to school in 14 days
Feb 23 04:31:59 <Decimate> might as well go
Feb 23 04:32:15 <zsoc> lol
Feb 23 04:32:17 <zsoc> nice
Feb 23 04:32:37 <Decimate> wednesday the 10th
Feb 23 04:32:38 <Decimate> snowday
Feb 23 04:32:46 <Decimate> skipped thursday and friday to go to florida
Feb 23 04:32:52 <Decimate> next week was winter break
Feb 23 04:32:54 <Decimate> and i skipped today
Feb 23 04:33:06 <Decimate> so i havent been to school since the 9th
Feb 23 04:33:35 <zsoc> i think they expel you after like 32 days or something
Feb 23 04:33:46 <Decimate> meh, i wont get expelled.
Feb 23 04:34:05 <Decimate> i missed 56 days in 6th grade :P
Feb 23 04:34:23 <Eguy> zsoc likes sexy figure skaters
Feb 23 04:34:35 <zsoc> Eguy, that's pretty true
Feb 23 04:34:47 <zsoc> Decimate, drop out, get your ged, profit
Feb 23 04:34:50 <Eguy> Male*
Feb 23 04:35:14 <zsoc> s/Male/androgynous
Feb 23 04:35:15 <Decimate> zsoc: and this is where i leave.. :P cya.
Feb 23 04:35:21 <zsoc> Decimate, peace p
Feb 23 04:36:32 <zsoc> hey, gstreamer built, awesome
Feb 23 04:41:12 <Eguy> zsoc: I don't use your crappy stuff anyway
Feb 23 04:41:43 <Eguy> :P
Feb 23 04:41:48 <zsoc> Eguy, more like the universal you
Feb 23 04:41:55 <zsoc> ~Eguy
Feb 23 04:41:56 <infobot> eguy is probably first rule of Eguy is never talk about Eguy, or like a master at infobot schooling, or someone who likes to spend time at the watercooler telling infobot what to do just like everyone else in the watercooler
Feb 23 04:42:26 <zsoc> <reply> would fix that i believe
Feb 23 04:42:48 <Eguy> What were you saying?
Feb 23 04:42:50 <zsoc> infobot, no, Eguy is <reply> First rule of Eguy is never talk about Eguy, or like a master at infobot schooling, or someone who likes to spend time at the watercooler telling infobot what to do just like everyone else in the watercooler
Feb 23 04:42:51 <infobot> okay, zsoc
Feb 23 04:42:56 <zsoc> ~eguy
Feb 23 04:42:57 <infobot> First rule of Eguy is never talk about Eguy, or like a master at infobot schooling, or someone who likes to spend time at the watercooler telling infobot what to do just like everyone else in the watercooler
Feb 23 04:43:00 <zsoc> there you go
Feb 23 04:43:24 <zsoc> i suppose that would make you not a master at infobot schooling...
Feb 23 04:43:25 <Eguy> There is a lot of pink in this room
Feb 23 04:43:39 <zsoc> ~~~~
Feb 23 04:43:40 <infobot> ARGH!!! STOP IT zsoc!!!
Feb 23 04:43:41 <Eguy> I didn't program that factoid
Feb 23 04:43:54 <Eguy> Someone else did
Feb 23 04:44:04 <zsoc> infobot, no, Eguy is <reply> First rule of Eguy is never talk about Eguy, or like a master at infobot schooling, or someone who likes to spend time at the watercooler telling infobot what to do just like everyone else in the watercooler, "I didn't program that factoid" --Eguy
Feb 23 04:44:05 <infobot> okay, zsoc
Feb 23 04:44:34 <Eguy> infobot, no, zsoc is a attention whore
Feb 23 04:44:35 <infobot> Eguy: please, watch your language.
Feb 23 04:44:43 * zsoc chuckles
Feb 23 04:44:50 <Eguy> She is offended by your greed
Feb 23 04:44:58 <zsoc> Eguy, greed?
Feb 23 04:45:09 <Eguy> You know what I am talking about
Feb 23 04:45:21 <zsoc> Eguy, ok.
Feb 23 04:46:08 <Eguy> say what?
Feb 23 04:47:37 <rwhitby> hmmm
Feb 23 04:59:35 <rwhitby> wow, fish fillets is 218MB !
Feb 23 05:03:00 <windzilla> fish fillet  is like 700 cal too! with tartar saucea!
Feb 23 05:10:03 <rwhitby> ah, seems 0.9.2-1 had two copies of the game data in the git repo.
Feb 23 05:10:18 <rwhitby> This will be a good test of the new installation temp directory anyway :_)
Feb 23 05:25:02 <azakus> oops
Feb 23 05:25:17 <azakus> little tiny tweak to jstop
Feb 23 05:25:54 <zeus9605> I NEED HELP!
Feb 23 05:26:26 <Eguy> Has it been longer than 4 hours zeus9605?
Feb 23 05:26:59 <zeus9605> No. i cant install anything from preware and its not showing patchs, even though i have it turned on
Feb 23 05:28:21 <Eguy> ~question
Feb 23 05:28:22 <infobot> well, question is If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
Feb 23 05:31:02 <zeus9605> ok my problem is still at hand
Feb 23 05:31:17 <Eguy> details
Feb 23 05:33:20 <zeus9605> I downlaoded preware, followed the guide to install step to step. When i launch Preware i turned on all the thing i want to see, themes application..., but patches is there but dosnt show how many there are and i cant see any. Also when i try installing something like LED TOURCH i cant. nothing happens i just keep pressing install
Feb 23 05:33:49 <Eguy> Did you install the package manager service?
Feb 23 05:35:31 <zeus9605> yes from my computer went to webos quick install, choose Internal feeds (all) and installed package manager
Feb 23 05:35:46 <Eguy> Did you reboot after?
Feb 23 05:36:06 <zeus9605> Yes Shutdown and Turned it back on.
Feb 23 05:36:27 <Eguy> Something doesn't seem right
Feb 23 05:36:39 <zsoc> version of webos quickinstall? may not have run the postinst
Feb 23 05:37:27 <zeus9605> i have the 3 the new one
Feb 23 05:37:43 <zeus9605> im rebooting to check once again
Feb 23 05:39:39 <zeus9605> I can install from my computer, LED TOURCH, but now straight from my phone, and both ways i cant see patches still
Feb 23 05:40:02 <egaudet> what version of webos
Feb 23 05:40:32 <zeus9605> 1.1.0
Feb 23 05:42:31 <zeus9605> is that why?
Feb 23 05:42:56 <Eguy> Is 1.1.0 a GSM pre?
Feb 23 05:44:12 <zsoc> Eguy, i thought most gsm was 1.3.5.2
Feb 23 05:45:06 <Eguy> I have no idea
Feb 23 05:45:14 <Eguy> I thought 1.3.5 was CDMA only
Feb 23 05:45:15 <zeus9605> Ran "Doctor" wiped all the crap i had in there, put it back down to lowest, 1.1.3
Feb 23 05:45:22 <zeus9605> 1.1.0 i mean
Feb 23 05:45:32 <zeus9605> checked updates theres 3
Feb 23 05:45:47 <zeus9605> 3.0.1
Feb 23 05:49:05 <zeus9605> ???
Feb 23 05:49:37 <zeus9605> should i wait till update to try again
Feb 23 05:50:15 <jacques> webos 1.1.0 ? I'm not sure current preware will work with that
Feb 23 05:50:33 <zeus9605> yha thats what im thinking
Feb 23 05:50:55 <Eguy> Open the updates app and do the newest update
Feb 23 05:51:54 <zeus9605> Im downloading its going to take days
Feb 23 05:52:57 <jacques> it's much faster if you have access to wifi
Feb 23 05:53:23 <jacques> does it say which version it's updating to? maybe you could just doctor to that version?
Feb 23 05:53:24 <zeus9605> turning it on
Feb 23 05:53:36 <zeus9605> how?
Feb 23 05:53:44 <jacques> how what?
Feb 23 05:54:01 <zeus9605> doctor to that version
Feb 23 05:54:07 <Eguy> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions
Feb 23 05:54:33 <Eguy> Grab the newest one for your device
Feb 23 05:56:39 <zeus9605> downloading it (1.3.5.1)
Feb 23 05:57:07 <jacques> zeus9605: what carrier are you on ?
Feb 23 05:57:16 <jacques> make sure you get the right version
Feb 23 06:17:15 <jacques> anyone seen wifi scanners for webos?
Feb 23 06:17:30 <Eguy> Open the wifi prefs :P
Feb 23 06:18:22 <rwhitby> Gotta love this one: http://twitter.com/webOSdev/status/9514593229 ;-)
Feb 23 06:18:58 <jacques> a guy came by the booth and showed me an app on his android phone - it displayed a dynamic graph of wifi access points with their channels, ssids, and signal strengths
Feb 23 06:19:32 <Eguy> Will the internet blow up if we don't rwhitby?
Feb 23 06:20:10 <rwhitby> Eguy: look who the tweet came from ...
Feb 23 06:20:25 <Eguy> I know :P
Feb 23 06:29:15 <azakus> rwhitby: ooh, that's an odd bug you fixed. Good thing I didn't release my autoGC part of jstop earlier :P
Feb 23 06:40:49 <rwhitby> azakus: indeed :-)
Feb 23 06:41:07 <rwhitby> azakus: although it might have made it easier to find ....
Feb 23 06:50:18 <gollyzila> Hey guys, I've been having this really annoying bug where all my outgoing emails don't send. I keep getting an Email Application Alert. This is happening to all my accounts (two AIM and one gmail) on both wifi and cell network.
Feb 23 06:56:20 <sslow> rwhitby: this guy is doing something weird w patches....Im wondering what kind of havok will be created by this approach?
Feb 23 06:56:23 <sslow> http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/222624-patch-battery-icon-small-white-color.html
Feb 23 06:57:56 <azakus> crap, broke my build
Feb 23 06:58:01 <azakus> stupid }'s
Feb 23 06:58:02 <gollyzila> Has anyone been experiencing the same problem I am ?
Feb 23 06:59:03 <sslow> gollyzila: not I
Feb 23 07:00:21 <gollyzila> :/ it's been happening for two days. Could it be caused by the new 600mhz overclocking patches in the forums?
Feb 23 07:03:13 <jacques> :-|
Feb 23 07:05:33 <WillJitsu> does the Palm profile store homebrew apps as well now? I just did a webos doctor and all my homebrew apps are still on the phone
Feb 23 07:07:27 <jacques> homebrew apps are also installed in /media/cryptofs, and doctor does not touch that
Feb 23 07:07:41 <WillJitsu> ahh okk
Feb 23 07:08:35 <WillJitsu> it does undo all the patches though, right?
Feb 23 07:08:44 <gollyzila> Does anyone know have an idea what could be causing my email problems?
Feb 23 07:10:21 <jacques> gollyzila: try it without the overclocking
Feb 23 07:10:55 <jacques> WillJitsu: doctor will overwrite all the patched files, yes.
Feb 23 07:11:32 <sslow> rwhitby: ping
Feb 23 07:11:53 <rwhitby> sslow: gu
Feb 23 07:12:17 <sslow>  this guy is doing something weird w patches....Im wondering what kind of havok will be created by this approach?
Feb 23 07:12:32 <sslow> http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/222624-patch-battery-icon-small-white-color.html
Feb 23 07:15:10 <webizard> golly,I had that problem too.
Feb 23 07:15:13 <WillJitsu> I've gotta take my phone into a Sprint store tomorrow b/c of some issues. To set my phone back to a barebones install, I'd have to manually uninstall homebrew apps, right?
Feb 23 07:15:35 <jacques> maybe do a full wipe
Feb 23 07:15:39 <webizard> found out that they actually are sending over and over and over again.
Feb 23 07:15:39 <jacques> dunno how long that takes tho
Feb 23 07:15:57 <WillJitsu> if I do a full wipe, doesn't it ask me to log back into my palm profile which would redownload all the apps again?
Feb 23 07:16:21 <jacques> oh maybe :-\
Feb 23 07:16:22 <WillJitsu> well I guess it wouldn't download homebrew ones
Feb 23 07:16:28 <sslow> WillJitsu: full wipe then dr. will put it back to stock
Feb 23 07:17:15 <WillJitsu> sslow: would it be necessary to do another doctor after the full wipe since I just finished a doctor?
Feb 23 07:17:28 <gollyzila> webizard: woah, weird. I'm going to ask the person on the other end if they're receiving multiple emails. How did you manage to remove the error?
Feb 23 07:18:07 <sslow> WillJitsu: not sure but a full wipe should get rid of all apps and homebrew
Feb 23 07:18:40 <webizard> it had something to do with the time believe it or not. I manually changed the time & zone while overseas and it buggered out on me
Feb 23 07:19:11 <WillJitsu> will a full erase get rid of the extra launcher pages I added?
Feb 23 07:20:21 <webizard> I didn't bother trying to fix it, I just started fresh since 1.3.5 had just been released
Feb 23 07:20:32 <sslow> WillJitsu: no you will have to remove them manually
Feb 23 07:20:46 <WillJitsu> sslow: ok cool
Feb 23 07:20:52 <gollyzila> webizard: well I haven't   traveled so I don't see how that could be causing it, but I'll change my time around and see if that helps.
Feb 23 07:21:11 <sslow> WillJitsu: np
Feb 23 07:26:22 <azakus> ah, much better
Feb 23 07:26:38 <azakus> jstop 0.0.11: swipe to delete is cenetered
Feb 23 07:26:52 <oil> lol
Feb 23 07:29:09 <azakus> yeah, the padding-top was great, but you can't put it in palm-row-wrapper
Feb 23 07:29:24 <azakus> because it pads the swipeToDelete area as well
Feb 23 07:40:15 <gollyzila> ~botsmack
Feb 23 07:40:16 <infobot> OWW!
Feb 23 07:46:24 <swisstomcat> ping jaques
Feb 23 07:48:00 <swisstomcat> ping jacques
Feb 23 07:48:05 <swisstomcat> ping rwhitby
Feb 23 07:48:07 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: so what do you need for the swiss linux conference?
Feb 23 07:48:24 <swisstomcat> i can still secure a booth
Feb 23 07:48:34 <swisstomcat> just have to do it today
Feb 23 07:48:44 <swisstomcat> what was shown at scale?
Feb 23 07:49:02 <rwhitby> just some phones running webos-internals and other apps
Feb 23 07:49:37 <swisstomcat> the banner was about webos-internals
Feb 23 07:49:52 <rwhitby> yep, webos internals banner
Feb 23 07:49:58 <rwhitby> we got that made the day before :-)
Feb 23 07:50:20 <jacques> howdy swisstomcat
Feb 23 07:50:21 <swisstomcat> so i would show the webos-internals project
Feb 23 07:50:35 <jacques> lots of ppl had not seen webos
Feb 23 07:50:37 <swisstomcat> preware,sdl-games,...
Feb 23 07:50:51 <jacques> we demo'd that as well as preware and some of our apps
Feb 23 07:50:57 <jacques> patches
Feb 23 07:50:57 <swisstomcat> yeah, especially in switzerland where you can't get the pre from the providers directly
Feb 23 07:52:30 <swisstomcat> what was the open source specific part? what was scale about?
Feb 23 07:52:39 * rwhitby bbl
Feb 23 07:54:27 <jacques> swisstomcat: SCALE is a Linux Expo
Feb 23 07:56:25 <swisstomcat> Swiss Open Source Software Conference & Exposition
Feb 23 07:56:45 <swisstomcat> it's an open source software exposition
Feb 23 07:57:24 <dtzWill> cryptk: 'ello :)
Feb 23 07:58:30 <swisstomcat> it should fit it
Feb 23 07:58:32 <swisstomcat> in
Feb 23 07:58:43 <swisstomcat> i would represent the swiss branch of webos-internals?
Feb 23 07:58:50 <hucksy> mmh, my preware crashes every time he updates preware-packages
Feb 23 07:59:05 <swisstomcat> because the booth are all about specifif open-source projects
Feb 23 08:00:21 <swisstomcat> http://www.openexpo.ch/openexpo-2010-bern/open-source-projekte/
Feb 23 08:00:26 <jacques> swisstomcat: yeah preware is open source as are all the webos-internals apps, patches, tools
Feb 23 08:00:27 <swisstomcat> a list of projects shown
Feb 23 08:00:31 <swisstomcat> yup
Feb 23 08:02:00 <jacques> swisstomcat: we were lucky in that palm donated some phones for us to demo with
Feb 23 08:02:17 <swisstomcat> yeah, i'd have to organize some phones
Feb 23 08:03:15 <swisstomcat> well, i'm up for it
Feb 23 08:03:58 <swisstomcat> will signup today
Feb 23 08:04:04 <swisstomcat> who did you contact regarding the phones?
Feb 23 08:04:33 <jacques> we contacted adora
Feb 23 08:06:05 <swisstomcat> i'm filling out the signup form
Feb 23 08:06:49 <swisstomcat> they need a log
Feb 23 08:06:51 <swisstomcat> logo
Feb 23 08:06:55 <swisstomcat> and project description
Feb 23 08:07:26 <swisstomcat> is there a page "about webos-internals" that i can translate?
Feb 23 08:10:35 <jacques> swisstomcat: http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale8x/exhibitor/webos-internals
Feb 23 08:12:15 <swisstomcat> great, i can adapt that and translate
Feb 23 08:15:19 <swisstomcat> i'd also need a logo
Feb 23 08:15:33 <swisstomcat> for print and web
Feb 23 08:16:58 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: ka6sox-work can send you the sources for what we used for scale
Feb 23 08:17:17 <swisstomcat> great
Feb 23 08:17:38 <swisstomcat> i only need a laptop and some phones to play with ... what else did you bring?
Feb 23 08:26:22 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: that's all I think.  we'll have to ask Palm for the phones - dunno how that will go for GSM ones.
Feb 23 08:27:04 <swisstomcat> yeah
Feb 23 08:27:12 <swisstomcat> i have to figure that out
Feb 23 08:27:24 <swisstomcat> the conference is in late march .. so there should be enough time
Feb 23 08:27:36 <swisstomcat> s/conference/expo
Feb 23 08:27:59 <swisstomcat> also need to find some more swiss people to help out
Feb 23 08:28:04 <swisstomcat> its' two days
Feb 23 08:29:04 <dtzWill> jacques: how was the conference?? :D
Feb 23 08:29:58 <swisstomcat> i'm sure palm can source some gsm phones somewhere
Feb 23 08:59:10 <eieio> sup?
Feb 23 09:05:12 <swisstomcat> have to condense the description down to 250 characters ...
Feb 23 09:07:04 <swisstomcat> what does webos internals do condensed down to 250 characters? :)
Feb 23 09:07:44 <swisstomcat> ping ka6sox-work
Feb 23 09:33:08 <swisstomcat> hey christefano
Feb 23 10:03:49 <jhojho> open source webos internals hacking.  <--- there's your description.
Feb 23 10:24:37 <swisstomcat> hehe
Feb 23 10:24:59 <swisstomcat> it has to be in german :)
Feb 23 10:32:21 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: Please use this text: http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale8x/exhibitor/webos-internals
Feb 23 10:32:35 <rwhitby> (translated appropriately)
Feb 23 10:32:56 <swisstomcat> yes, i'm using this text
Feb 23 10:33:01 <swisstomcat> actually, only the first sentence
Feb 23 10:33:16 <swisstomcat> because they only want 200-250 characters
Feb 23 10:33:27 <rwhitby> ok, sorry I misread 250 words :-)
Feb 23 10:33:54 <swisstomcat> WebOS Internals ist eine Gruppe von Entwicklern, die sich dem offenen Austausch von Informationen und Open-Source Anwendungen zum Linux-basierenden WebOS Betriebssystem von Palm verschrieben haben.
Feb 23 10:34:52 <rwhitby> yep, that's good.
Feb 23 10:35:31 <swisstomcat> when does ka6sox usually show up?
Feb 23 10:35:40 <rwhitby> I'll give you his email
Feb 23 10:36:00 <swisstomcat> k
Feb 23 10:57:00 <joshua> I'll give you his home address, but it might take longer to respond
Feb 23 10:58:06 <joshua> http://www.qrz.com/label/?id=94728
Feb 23 10:58:07 <joshua> heh
Feb 23 11:07:45 <joshua> we need 1.4 just so we can have some new threads that aren't people complaining or having problems or being mad at palm for not releasing sooner
Feb 23 11:07:54 <joshua> on precentral
Feb 23 11:10:32 <swisstomcat> bah, 1.4 will get here when it gets here
Feb 23 11:11:40 <swisstomcat> not that many days left in february
Feb 23 11:13:49 <joshua> I should just stop reading the forum. Anything interesting shows up on the front page or from people talking about it in here.
Feb 23 11:13:50 <Kyusaku> so we can have new threads about people complaining and being disappointed with 1.4
Feb 23 11:14:22 <joshua> boohoo the phone is so slow, android is so fast. palm needs to make it like android or they will go out of business
Feb 23 11:14:25 <Kyusaku> I ccan't wait for the 100 NO FLASH IN 1.4 threads
Feb 23 11:15:40 <joshua> There is so much about this phone that totally rules aleady, any improvements are icing on the cake for me
Feb 23 11:18:03 <joshua> flash will come out and they will complain that hulu.com doesn't play right or something. heh
Feb 23 11:29:02 <swisstomcat> people will complain if there's no 1.4 on feb 28th and people will complain if it arrives on feb 28th
Feb 23 11:29:19 <swisstomcat> people will even complain if it's sunny outside :)
Feb 23 11:32:34 <joshua> When I lived in california it was sunny so much I got bored of it after a while. heh
Feb 23 13:52:32 <nt4cats> the interwebs are amazing
Feb 23 13:53:43 <nt4cats> I stream radio on my train ride into the city each morning ... and the end of my ride is a 6-8 miinutes underground with no cell signal.  I started the stream at my home station this morning, but left it on pause for a while to give me a "buffer" to cover when I'm underground.
Feb 23 13:54:38 <nt4cats> I listened to the stream on the way in, then I walked up and out of the station, and up to my office -- all this time expecting that I'd get to the end of my buffer and I'd hear a "skip" in the stream corresponding to when I was in the tunnel.\
Feb 23 13:54:44 <nt4cats> That "skip" never happened.
Feb 23 13:55:38 <nt4cats> I can only assume that the streaming protocol in use allowed my client to ask the server for the stream data it missed while in the tunnel so that the program could be delivered to me without interruption.
Feb 23 13:55:54 <nt4cats> Yay interwebs!
Feb 23 13:56:49 <swisstomcat> yay
Feb 23 13:57:16 <swisstomcat> us old geezers used to listen to cassettes in our walkman on the way to work :)
Feb 23 13:57:47 <nt4cats> I'm pretty old and remember not being able to afford one of those cool walkmen
Feb 23 13:58:21 <swisstomcat> even older geezers will remember soldering a radio
Feb 23 13:59:38 <nt4cats> <--- born in 1971
Feb 23 13:59:55 <swisstomcat> <--- born in 1973
Feb 23 14:00:05 <nt4cats> that's pretty old
Feb 23 14:00:11 <swisstomcat> yeah, i know :)
Feb 23 14:00:26 <swisstomcat> but i don't feel old
Feb 23 14:00:52 <nt4cats> I've felt (and acted) like an old man since I was about 25 ...
Feb 23 14:03:10 <rwhitby> I've just added country display support to Preware :-)
Feb 23 14:23:24 <hape> do you men we will only see the german app in preware from the Next update on?
Feb 23 14:23:48 <rwhitby> http://twitpic.com/14whl9
Feb 23 14:23:50 <hape> Please not! I like to be able to take a quick look on what is comming down the roud in the future
Feb 23 14:24:09 <rwhitby> hape: remember that Preware is the "Universal" installer ;-)
Feb 23 14:24:25 <hape> dident get you?
Feb 23 14:28:11 <swisstomcat> what did you say?
Feb 23 14:28:45 <swisstomcat> preware will only show the countries the app is released to
Feb 23 14:29:31 <rwhitby> hape: a Universal installer would not limit the applications that you can install
Feb 23 14:29:56 <rwhitby> (or see, but not be able to install)
Feb 23 14:33:58 <hape> you saw that someone found a way to downlaod /install free apps outside the us?
Feb 23 14:34:22 <hape> would it be possible to add that to preware wthoput getting banned by Palm?
Feb 23 14:34:27 <swisstomcat> :)
Feb 23 14:36:09 <hape> and by the way asphalt 5 is better then I ever hoped. I hope we can buy it in germany soon.
Feb 23 14:36:23 <hape> Nevers expect it to work that smooth
Feb 23 14:37:41 <swisstomcat> paid apps should come to europe in march
Feb 23 14:39:20 <rwhitby> hape: well, consider if Preware allowed for downloading of free apps directly - how would that be received by app authors who want their download counts to be correct for the hot apps contest?
Feb 23 14:39:59 <hape> swisstomcat: I know. But as you sain 'should' and as a freak you are like a child before christmas. You cant wait ...
Feb 23 14:40:31 <hape> rwhitby: hmm. good point.
Feb 23 14:51:52 <VincentLaw> rwhitby: well if palm used actual URL requests for the download counter it wouldn't matter what app actually downloaded it :p
Feb 23 14:53:09 <nt4cats> VincentLaw: but if palm used actual URL requests for counts wouldn't it be easier to artificially inflate your statistics by unleashing a botnet to download your app?
Feb 23 14:53:19 <rwhitby> VincentLaw: well, that would then leave the hot apps contest open to abuse
Feb 23 14:54:07 * nt4cats assumes that becuse I had the same idea as rwhitby that I am, therefore, not *always* an idiot. Just usually.
Feb 23 14:59:09 <rwhitby> Preware 0.9.28 with country display support is now in the testing feed.
Feb 23 15:01:23 <rwhitby> ~emulate rwhitby
Feb 23 15:01:24 <infobot> Another Satisfied Customer!
Feb 23 15:01:32 <rwhitby> ~emulate rwhitby
Feb 23 15:01:51 <rwhitby> infobot: no botsnack for you
Feb 23 15:01:52 <infobot> rwhitby: :)
Feb 23 15:01:55 <swisstomcat> hehe
Feb 23 15:02:03 <swisstomcat> why is there no bot in #webos?
Feb 23 15:02:04 <rwhitby> ~emulate rwhitby
Feb 23 15:02:06 <infobot> Well, my work here is done.
Feb 23 15:02:10 <rwhitby> ~botsnack
Feb 23 15:02:11 <infobot> rwhitby: aw, gee
Feb 23 15:02:43 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: cause the channel ops have not given TimRiker the nod to put infobot in #webo
Feb 23 15:02:44 <nt4cats> Did you mean ~immolate rwhitby
Feb 23 15:02:46 <predude> hello, I cannot get the java files to run... i've updated java and am on windows xp. but when i double click pre ware installer or webos quick install nothing hppens ;9
Feb 23 15:03:08 <swisstomcat> predude: what happens on the command line?
Feb 23 15:03:11 <swisstomcat> java -version
Feb 23 15:03:12 * rwhitby bbt - night all - have fun looking at what countries apps are released in ...
Feb 23 15:03:14 <nt4cats> predude: what instructions are you following?
Feb 23 15:03:19 <swisstomcat> night rwhitby
Feb 23 15:03:32 <predude> java version six 18 i was following the instructions for 'windows' on preware.org
Feb 23 15:03:42 <rwhitby> and please alpha test Preware 0.9.28 and let me know, so we can release it tomorrow
Feb 23 15:03:56 <swisstomcat> will do
Feb 23 15:04:10 <predude> and i don't know about a command line anything...
Feb 23 15:04:15 <swisstomcat> i want flags instead of ES,UK etc. :)
Feb 23 15:04:29 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: patches welcome ;-)
Feb 23 15:04:35 <swisstomcat> yeah, yeah
Feb 23 15:04:44 <swisstomcat> i'll add a swiss flag
Feb 23 15:04:52 <swisstomcat> just for fun
Feb 23 15:05:06 <swisstomcat> predude: there's a command line in xp
Feb 23 15:05:08 * rwhitby -> sleep
Feb 23 15:05:16 <swisstomcat> later
Feb 23 15:05:28 <predude> i have downloaded sprint pre 1.3.5.1 web os doctor i've downloaded webos quick install and preinstaller and put them all into a folderlabled 'palm' on my usb drive
Feb 23 15:05:38 <swisstomcat> so far so good
Feb 23 15:05:50 <predude> i go to double click on pre istaller and nothing happens
Feb 23 15:05:53 <swisstomcat> can you open a command line?
Feb 23 15:06:04 <swisstomcat> command prompt
Feb 23 15:06:09 <predude> run?
Feb 23 15:06:12 <swisstomcat> start - accessories - command prompt
Feb 23 15:06:19 <swisstomcat> or run... cmd
Feb 23 15:06:29 <predude> ok i have that open
Feb 23 15:06:38 <swisstomcat> java -version
Feb 23 15:06:41 <swisstomcat> type that
Feb 23 15:06:56 <swisstomcat> and then enter
Feb 23 15:07:07 <predude> serunime enviro build 1.6.0_18
Feb 23 15:07:16 <predude> java se runtime**
Feb 23 15:07:24 <swisstomcat> looks good
Feb 23 15:07:34 <predude> mixed mode haring
Feb 23 15:07:47 <swisstomcat> change to your usb-drive into the folder .. e.g e:\palm
Feb 23 15:08:05 <swisstomcat> e:\palm
Feb 23 15:08:07 <swisstomcat> type that
Feb 23 15:08:18 <swisstomcat> and then enter
Feb 23 15:08:52 <swisstomcat> change e: to whatever your usb-drive is
Feb 23 15:09:12 <predude> hrm
Feb 23 15:09:16 <swisstomcat> what?
Feb 23 15:09:23 <zsoc> hmrm
Feb 23 15:09:52 <swisstomcat> those younng people today don't know command lines anymore :)
Feb 23 15:09:53 <predude> when i did e
Feb 23 15:09:57 <predude> it said device is not ready
Feb 23 15:10:06 <swisstomcat> well, is e your usb-drive?
Feb 23 15:10:07 <predude> when i changed it to j which is what my usb is, it doesn't find it :-/
Feb 23 15:10:13 <swisstomcat> j:\palm?
Feb 23 15:10:26 <swisstomcat> what happens if you write that?
Feb 23 15:10:46 <predude> not recognized as an internal or external command
Feb 23 15:11:07 <predude> imma move it to the desktop
Feb 23 15:12:10 <predude> \oh shit
Feb 23 15:12:15 <predude> that worked moving it to the desktop
Feb 23 15:12:16 <zsoc_wirc> freegnu: is there another kind?
Feb 23 15:14:06 <predude> so after i moved it to the desktop i double clicked preware installer and something popped up
Feb 23 15:14:17 <predude> then i went to "tools" update drivers
Feb 23 15:14:19 <predude> right?
Feb 23 15:14:33 <swisstomcat> don't know preware installer
Feb 23 15:14:37 <zsoc_wirc> I'm not so sure the preware installer is the preferred method
Feb 23 15:14:37 <swisstomcat> i've used webos quick install
Feb 23 15:14:42 <predude> oh ok
Feb 23 15:16:11 <predude> well it seems to be working
Feb 23 15:16:12 <predude> awesome
Feb 23 15:16:22 <predude> guess it just wouldn't work from us
Feb 23 15:16:23 <predude> b
Feb 23 15:16:58 <predude> after preware is on my pre, will i have to download and update from a computer?
Feb 23 15:17:13 <predude> because my computer is a mac, and it doesn't work with the newest java, so i'm using a friends computer...
Feb 23 15:17:27 <predude> but i wanna be able to update patches and stuff...
Feb 23 15:17:40 <swisstomcat> after you have preware installed you can do everything from your pre
Feb 23 15:17:48 <swisstomcat> even update preware
Feb 23 15:17:58 <predude> awesome. the girl at the sprint store told me about this, i hope its cool
Feb 23 15:18:24 <predude> she had her pixi all personalized it was neat
Feb 23 15:18:37 <swisstomcat> yup, it's very cool
Feb 23 15:19:07 <en0x> i played with pixi the other day
Feb 23 15:19:29 <en0x> the screen is 2 small for my liking
Feb 23 15:19:38 <en0x> but other than that... it's great
Feb 23 15:19:45 <predude> i returned mine
Feb 23 15:19:46 <predude> for the pre
Feb 23 15:19:50 <predude> because it lagged WAY too much
Feb 23 15:20:02 <zsoc_wirc> predude: we are a little biased, producing preware, of course we think it's cool ;)
Feb 23 15:20:24 <predude> you can't use google maps and sprint navigator while a phone call comes in because it will lag up
Feb 23 15:20:42 <zsoc_wirc> predude: and install wIRC, so you can chill with us from your Pre ;)
Feb 23 15:20:44 <predude> i loved the form factor though
Feb 23 15:20:57 <swisstomcat> yeah, i'd prefer a candybar format too
Feb 23 15:21:00 <swisstomcat> just bigger
Feb 23 15:21:02 <en0x> predude, yap the form factor is nic but the screen too small
Feb 23 15:21:07 <en0x> s/nic/nice/
Feb 23 15:21:08 <infobot> en0x meant: predude, yap the form factor is nice but the screen too small
Feb 23 15:21:29 <predude> i didn't mind the screen and the gestures worked well. i just hated the horsepowwer
Feb 23 15:21:32 <nt4cats> I think I might like a (droid style) landscape hardware keyboard
Feb 23 15:21:53 <en0x> i had landscape keyboard before
Feb 23 15:21:57 <predude> which do i update first
Feb 23 15:22:00 <predude> package manager
Feb 23 15:22:02 <predude> or prewre?
Feb 23 15:22:07 <en0x> it was pissing me of to shift the phone all the time if I wanted to write something
Feb 23 15:22:16 <VincentLaw> itll make you do package service first predude
Feb 23 15:22:17 <swisstomcat> i'd say package manager
Feb 23 15:22:37 <VincentLaw> it wont let you do anything else
Feb 23 15:22:51 <predude> is there a softkeyboard?
Feb 23 15:22:59 <swisstomcat> yes, as homebrew
Feb 23 15:23:00 <predude> so that i don't have to open it all the time?
Feb 23 15:23:14 <nt4cats> predude: once you have the service and preware installed on your phone it'll update them at the same time in the future.  The "bootstrap" (getting them on there the first time) can be a bit of a hassle, but afterwards it is easy
Feb 23 15:23:16 <swisstomcat> i have not missed a softkeyboard yet
Feb 23 15:23:39 <en0x> why not use the get.preware.org and install it?
Feb 23 15:23:43 <en0x> it's easier and faster
Feb 23 15:23:58 <en0x> u just have to put ur phone in dev mode and download webos doctor
Feb 23 15:24:07 <nt4cats> swisstomcat: the only thing I found the VK useful for is if I want to walk down the street and type with the same hand I'm using to hold the phone ... I almost never do that so (hoping that egaudet isn't looking) I removed the VK patch
Feb 23 15:24:42 <zsoc_wirc> nt4cats: thanks for the compliment the other day. my chemical imbalance caused me to lash out in randomness
Feb 23 15:24:58 <en0x> [;
Feb 23 15:25:23 <nt4cats> I guess my chemical imbalance likes your chemical imbalance because I appreciated your response (once I got it)
Feb 23 15:26:10 <zsoc_wirc> nt4cats: ohlol ok then :)
Feb 23 15:26:25 <en0x> nt4cats, should I upset u today to? :>
Feb 23 15:26:31 <en0x> s/to/too
Feb 23 15:27:13 <nt4cats> en0x: who upset me?  (your use of 'too' implies that someone did)
Feb 23 15:27:38 <en0x> nt4cats, with the webos 1.4 update
Feb 23 15:27:39 <en0x> :P
Feb 23 15:27:51 <predude> will that mess up preware?
Feb 23 15:27:56 <predude> when that comes out
Feb 23 15:27:59 <TheInvsbleMan> Hey en0x, I'm guessing you have heard that AUPT will work just fine
Feb 23 15:28:00 <en0x> predude, no
Feb 23 15:28:04 <en0x> TheInvsbleMan, yap ;)
Feb 23 15:28:13 <TheInvsbleMan> all right good stuff :)
Feb 23 15:28:14 <nt4cats> en0x: oh, yes, I think I did threaten to beat you or something like that.  That wasn't being upset.  That was simply an appropriately violent response.
Feb 23 15:28:16 <zsoc_wirc> predude: historically, preware has been OTA compatible in 24 hours or less
Feb 23 15:28:25 <predude> and is it gonna update my camera so it takes video too???
Feb 23 15:28:36 <en0x> nt4cats, hehehehe ;]
Feb 23 15:28:39 <zsoc_wirc> predude: yes, 1.4 will I believe
Feb 23 15:28:59 <en0x> oh i gotta return my old pre today almost forgot
Feb 23 15:29:01 <predude> that's awesome i almost went with another phone but i was hoping they could just software update this guy
Feb 23 15:29:21 <en0x> predude, what phone? :)
Feb 23 15:29:42 <TheInvsbleMan> Is there any word on 1.4 fixing the too many cards error when trying to open games?
Feb 23 15:29:44 <nt4cats> predude: the CEO of palm announced that 1.4 will support video reporting (and he demoed it at CES a few weeks ago)
Feb 23 15:29:55 <nt4cats> s/reporting/recording/
Feb 23 15:29:56 <infobot> nt4cats meant: predude: the CEO of palm announced that 1.4 will support video recording (and he demoed it at CES a few weeks ago)
Feb 23 15:30:17 <en0x> TheInvsbleMan, i hate that too
Feb 23 15:30:28 <en0x> TheInvsbleMan, u reboot ur device everytime that happens?
Feb 23 15:30:33 <TheInvsbleMan> I just restart luna
Feb 23 15:30:44 <TheInvsbleMan> works much faster
Feb 23 15:30:49 <zsoc_wirc> TheInvsbleMan: that problem is a memory management thing afaict
Feb 23 15:30:50 <en0x> TheInvsbleMan, i close all apps and lock the pre then unlock it and run the game
Feb 23 15:31:01 <en0x> TheInvsbleMan, works just fine, lock unlock run game
Feb 23 15:31:02 <en0x> ;)
Feb 23 15:31:37 <TheInvsbleMan> Yea, I figured it was due to some memory leaks. I was just wondering if there is any word of this being fixed
Feb 23 15:31:49 <TheInvsbleMan> en0x: Good to know, I'll try that next time
Feb 23 15:32:33 <en0x> kk
Feb 23 15:32:52 <TheInvsbleMan> I actually just beat NFSU about 15 mins ago haha
Feb 23 15:33:37 <en0x> im playing assassins creed free now
Feb 23 15:34:44 <TheInvsbleMan> I was playing that before, it's pretty good
Feb 23 15:35:07 <predude> en0x HTC touch was my other option
Feb 23 15:35:17 <azakus> en0x: the free demos are nice, but very short
Feb 23 15:35:29 <predude> but i like the webOS environment
Feb 23 15:41:01 <zsoc_wirc> webos is amazing
Feb 23 15:41:08 <zsoc_wirc> more people need to use it
Feb 23 15:42:27 <predude> awesome
Feb 23 15:42:32 <predude> thanks guys for the help
Feb 23 15:42:40 <predude> i'm prewared out
Feb 23 15:42:56 <predude> now i gotta search through all this crap and figure out how to customize it my way :)
Feb 23 15:43:09 <zsoc_wirc> predude: that's the fun part lol
Feb 23 15:45:23 <ConfusedVorlon> hi zsoc - I saw a post mentioning you had been adding some codecs
Feb 23 15:45:27 <en0x> is the htc touch using WM?
Feb 23 15:45:42 <zsoc_wirc> ConfusedVorlon: all lies :p what's up?
Feb 23 15:46:14 <ConfusedVorlon> I'm really keen to figure how to stream from vlc to the pre. But I'm let down by my weak understanding of codecs/containers/etc
Feb 23 15:46:25 <ConfusedVorlon> any chance that you are an expert on streaming too?
Feb 23 15:47:02 <zsoc_wirc> ConfusedVorlon: expert is a funny word.
Feb 23 15:47:23 <zsoc_wirc> ConfusedVorlon: I'm working, and on my Pre at the moment, but I'd be willing to help in the future
Feb 23 15:48:00 <en0x> "in the future" which means next year :D
Feb 23 15:48:03 <ConfusedVorlon> that would be cool. I'm happy to pay for your time...
Feb 23 15:48:08 <zsoc_wirc> ConfusedVorlon: I'm not sure how vlc streams.. but I'm 100‰ positive you can stream using gst and tcpsink
Feb 23 15:48:44 <zsoc_wirc> ConfusedVorlon: that's odd, never have anyone bribe me before. I guess thank you for your appreciation of my knowledge :p
Feb 23 15:48:49 <ConfusedVorlon> zsoc - the goal is to find some intersection between what vlc can stream, and what the pre can recieve
Feb 23 15:49:01 <ConfusedVorlon> now 'bribe' is a funny word!
Feb 23 15:49:20 <zsoc_wirc> ConfusedVorlon: I'm 100 percent sure it can be done. I'm just working on 3 projects atm. what timezone you in?
Feb 23 15:49:28 <ConfusedVorlon> uk
Feb 23 15:49:42 <nt4cats> ConfusedVorlon: Currently webOS supports the MP3, AAC, AAC+, eAAC+, AMR, QCELP, and WAV audio codecs and the MPEG-4, H.263, and H.264video codecs.
Feb 23 15:50:11 <ConfusedVorlon> yup- unfortunately I haven't managed to turn that info into a solution!
Feb 23 15:50:22 <nt4cats> (copied-and-pasted from the "ZSoc is the WHE" article on precentral.net)
Feb 23 15:50:34 <zsoc_wirc> ConfusedVorlon: that makes things difficult. unless you don't mind staying up very late lol
Feb 23 15:50:39 <en0x> oh I can't wait for the NaN Player to be released
Feb 23 15:50:41 <ConfusedVorlon> I'm happy to stay up late
Feb 23 15:50:45 <en0x> i wonder what the NaN stands for
Feb 23 15:50:45 <en0x> :S
Feb 23 15:50:48 <nt4cats> Confused: what kind of media are you trying to stream?
Feb 23 15:50:52 <nt4cats> Not a Number
Feb 23 15:50:56 <ConfusedVorlon> video
Feb 23 15:51:02 <ConfusedVorlon> though audio would be a start
Feb 23 15:51:12 <en0x> "Not a Number Player" wtf that means anyway?
Feb 23 15:51:17 <zsoc_wirc> nt4cats: it doesn't really matter. it'll repack the stream however you tell it to
Feb 23 15:51:41 <zsoc_wirc> ConfusedVorlon: should I assume you do not use linux on your host?
Feb 23 15:51:49 <nt4cats> oh, sorry, I didn't see "NaN player"
Feb 23 15:52:08 <ConfusedVorlon> hi zsoc - the goal is to get this working on all platforms that vlc supports
Feb 23 15:52:53 <zsoc_wirc> ConfusedVorlon: is this a for-profit project? my work is generally OSS
Feb 23 15:53:04 <ConfusedVorlon> zsoc - yes
Feb 23 15:53:56 <ConfusedVorlon> though to be clear, what I'm after is the set of instructions to send to vlc so that it will stream in a format that the pre can recieve with existing capabilites
Feb 23 15:54:16 <cryptk> rwhitby: when you see this... still can't get the testing feed upstart to install
Feb 23 15:54:18 <ConfusedVorlon> I get stuck at the options around rtsp/udp/http container/codec/etc
Feb 23 15:54:33 <cryptk> seems like it is actually installing 0.0.5
Feb 23 15:54:36 <ConfusedVorlon> have tried a bunch of seemingly sensible options, but I don't really know what is going on
Feb 23 15:55:52 <zsoc_wirc> ConfusedVorlon: pm
Feb 23 15:56:02 <ConfusedVorlon> pm?
Feb 23 15:56:14 <swisstomcat> private message
Feb 23 16:00:31 <TheInvsbleMan> So I have a theme installed which uses the multi-scrim patch... He placed the scrim images in the wallpapers folder. My issue is that some of the scrim images make things hard to see so I deleted them from the wallpapers folder and restarted luna... The scrims are still applied to the apps. Any idea how to remove them?
Feb 23 16:01:14 <cryptk> rwhitby: I am also not seeing a makefile for upstartmgr 0.0.6 in the preware/built.git...
Feb 23 16:01:20 <cryptk> bbiab
Feb 23 16:07:41 <en0x> hmm do i recall it right but did the lady from palm said that webos will get widgets? during CES?
Feb 23 16:08:59 <en0x> she said "you can create cool widget" but widgets are on the main screen aren'tthey?
Feb 23 16:09:02 <en0x> mm
Feb 23 16:12:27 <swisstomcat> don't remember such a thing
Feb 23 16:13:00 <swisstomcat> depends what she meant with "widgets"
Feb 23 16:13:08 <en0x> oh yes she said "widgets" :>
Feb 23 16:13:24 <swisstomcat> widgets in palm speak are ui-elements
Feb 23 16:13:39 <swisstomcat> lists,buttons,...
Feb 23 16:13:54 <en0x> oh I thought that they mean like in android language
Feb 23 16:14:31 <swisstomcat> that would be cool
Feb 23 16:14:49 <en0x> definitely
Feb 23 16:14:50 <en0x> :}
Feb 23 16:15:23 <en0x> the whole gui is a webpage so probably we could do that
Feb 23 16:15:34 <en0x> i think I will make a demotivator
Feb 23 16:15:49 <en0x> you we heard ya... you wanted a browser in a browser so we created webOS
Feb 23 16:15:52 <en0x> :D
Feb 23 16:17:53 <zsoc_wirc> there is blitting support in the ui, it's just really bad
Feb 23 16:18:16 <zsoc_wirc> luna should just use sdl :p although they would have to oss it...
Feb 23 16:18:47 <en0x> well but they could write luna to use sdl and when sdl is not available then it would run like it's running now
Feb 23 16:19:43 <en0x> zsoc_wirc, why they would oss it? if they would only write a code that it would be linked so sdl .so then i dont think so... you only need to oss the stuff when u take the code and use it in ur app
Feb 23 16:20:39 * zsoc_wirc shrugs
Feb 23 16:23:11 <en0x> zsoc_wirc, aint that right?
Feb 23 16:23:13 <en0x> :)
Feb 23 16:23:45 <zsoc_wirc> yes, but the implementation wouldn't be that simple
Feb 23 16:24:24 <en0x> yes
Feb 23 16:24:39 <en0x> i thing the gui accel will come with webos 2.0
Feb 23 16:25:12 <en0x> s/thing/think
Feb 23 16:25:20 <en0x> i got a bad day today can't type shit
Feb 23 16:28:09 <zsoc_wirc> en0x: I'm not so sui gui acceleration will be so hot. we'll see how efficient they can make it
Feb 23 16:28:17 <zsoc_wirc> s/sui/sure
Feb 23 16:28:20 <zsoc_wirc> odd typo
Feb 23 16:28:34 <en0x> ]well anyway the gui is fast
Feb 23 16:28:43 <en0x> only the thing that is slow is opening apps
Feb 23 16:28:53 <en0x> i think they can fix that with css transition
Feb 23 16:28:57 <en0x> or hower its called
Feb 23 16:29:19 <mikewx> it's slow to start ringing too
Feb 23 16:29:46 <mikewx> i notice it big time with google voice intergration
Feb 23 16:30:11 <zsoc_wirc> mikewx: I don't really _talk_ on my phone so much...
Feb 23 16:30:38 <mikewx> i'm a luddite. i still speak frequently and type less
Feb 23 16:36:35 <mdklein> I've noticed the phone is a lot snappier than it used to be though... i could hit the answer button on ring #2 and it would still go to VM in some previous releases
Feb 23 16:43:08 <en0x> mdklein, true
Feb 23 16:43:20 <en0x> well i don't talk much on my phone too I prefer email/text/im
Feb 23 17:58:23 <iSmite> did i read about a 3rd party pdf reader for pre im sure i did
Feb 23 18:03:52 <cryptk> I saw some kind of PDF app the other day
Feb 23 18:04:04 <cryptk> so you aren't crazy iSmite
Feb 23 18:04:05 <cryptk> lol
Feb 23 18:04:14 <iSmite> yeah i cant find it anywheree
Feb 23 18:04:19 <iSmite> not in store not in preware
Feb 23 18:04:30 <iSmite> but i know there was something i saw it in the forums
Feb 23 18:04:48 <cryptk> I found the one I was thinking of, PDFMyWeb
Feb 23 18:05:05 <cryptk> lets you save websites in PDF format
Feb 23 18:05:26 <cryptk> so it isn't a reader...
Feb 23 18:05:32 <iSmite> hmm no thats not what i was thinking
Feb 23 18:05:37 <cryptk> anyway, time to make blueberry pancakes...
Feb 23 18:05:44 <iSmite> the inbuilt pdf reader is buggy was hoping for an alternative
Feb 23 18:05:46 <cryptk> if anyone wants any, just find my apartment and come over
Feb 23 18:05:56 <iSmite> i want some
Feb 23 18:06:01 <iSmite> i live in uk :(
Feb 23 18:06:37 <nt4cats> I'm very close to getting VLC streaming to my Pre
Feb 23 18:06:37 <zsoc_wirc> iSmite: I don't think going to cryptk's apt alone is a good idea
Feb 23 18:07:02 <zsoc_wirc> nt4cats: lol, you should tell the bloke that was in here before :)
Feb 23 18:07:13 <iSmite> no thats ok at my age i need all the action i can get rofl
Feb 23 18:07:16 <nt4cats> It took me a while to figure out why the Pre's streaming app wasn't coming up -- this is apparently triggered by the Content-type: header
Feb 23 18:07:20 <zsoc_wirc> nt4cats: http or rtp->rtsp?
Feb 23 18:07:32 <zsoc_wirc> nt4cats: correct
Feb 23 18:07:34 <nt4cats> zsoc_wirc: http, and I have his e-mail address
Feb 23 18:08:08 <zsoc_wirc> nt4cats: cool :) 1 less thing I have to do lol
Feb 23 18:08:43 <nt4cats> VLC seems to use a content-type header of "application/octet-stream" unless you tell it to use something different
Feb 23 18:09:26 <nt4cats> I just stuffed "video/mp4" into there and it popped up the streaming player.
Feb 23 18:09:55 <nt4cats> Now that I have it popping up the streaming player I assume (*cough*) that diddling with the transcoding options will result in something playable
Feb 23 18:12:33 <nt4cats> zsoc_wirc: any chance you know the correct content type string for h264 video
Feb 23 18:12:47 <nt4cats> zsoc_wirc: google has lots of spam, but nothing helpful (so far)
Feb 23 18:13:00 <tmzt> nt4cats: using the http streaming mode?
Feb 23 18:13:06 <nt4cats> tmzt: yes
Feb 23 18:13:19 <tmzt> the only good documentation I've found is in mpmvc source
Feb 23 18:13:19 <zsoc_wirc> yes
Feb 23 18:13:44 <tmzt> mpeg4ts?
Feb 23 18:14:09 <tmzt> read Apple's or gsma/3gpp docs
Feb 23 18:16:22 <zsoc_wirc> no
Feb 23 18:16:36 <zsoc_wirc> ts only works with my typefindfunctions patch
Feb 23 18:16:43 <zsoc_wirc> not stock
Feb 23 18:17:35 <zsoc_wirc> nt4cats: did you look at the resource handler json? not sure it might be in there
Feb 23 18:18:45 <nt4cats> zsoc_wirc: that's a good idea.  I have an upacked doctor rootfs around here somewhere ... if you have it handy do you have a more specific filename or directory I should look in?
Feb 23 18:18:59 <nt4cats> zsoc_wirc: if not I'll find it
Feb 23 18:19:25 <zsoc_wirc> nt4cats: sorry I'm on wirc right now.. I think it's in uh... hm.. no idea lol
Feb 23 18:19:50 <zsoc_wirc> um.. /usr/palm ?
Feb 23 18:19:51 <zsoc_wirc> maybe
Feb 23 18:19:53 <tmzt> gst doesn't support ts?
Feb 23 18:20:11 <spotter> zsoc_wirc, so I saw the post about the codecs, what can I help w?
Feb 23 18:20:15 <zsoc_wirc> tmzt: sure it does
Feb 23 18:20:50 <zsoc_wirc> tmzt: webos gstreamer and plugins base is crippled
Feb 23 18:21:03 <zsoc_wirc> tmzt: check out my patches in cross-compile.git nonworking/gst-plugins-base
Feb 23 18:21:59 <spotter> zsoc_wirc, do you have it down to a science on how to install new codecs?
Feb 23 18:22:15 <spotter> I'd want wma support (refugee from windows mobile, so built up big collection)
Feb 23 18:22:15 <zsoc_wirc> spotter: when I'm not on wirc, you can help test some things.. but I'm way backlogged at the moment. possibly tomorrow night EST
Feb 23 18:22:23 <spotter> ok
Feb 23 18:22:26 <zsoc_wirc> spotter: yeah, it's a dirty science tho
Feb 23 18:22:30 <spotter> no problem
Feb 23 18:22:44 <zsoc_wirc> spotter: I haven't started on wma. do you know what it uses for tagging? is it id3?
Feb 23 18:24:07 <spotter> zsoc_wirc, dont think so
Feb 23 18:24:14 <spotter> think it has its own thing
Feb 23 18:24:40 <spotter> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms867702.aspx
Feb 23 18:24:47 <zsoc_wirc> spotter: then taggin won't load in the standard music player
Feb 23 18:25:02 <zsoc_wirc> spotter: also, I'm not 100 percent sure of gstreamer wma support
Feb 23 18:25:12 <spotter> wma works in gstreamer on my box
Feb 23 18:25:18 <spotter> at least via ffdshow plugin
Feb 23 18:25:24 <zsoc_wirc> spotter: oh. then we're good lol
Feb 23 18:25:25 <spotter> I mean ffmpeg
Feb 23 18:25:32 <spotter> ffdshow being for windows :)
Feb 23 18:25:55 <zsoc_wirc> spotter: so it's in gst-plugins-ffmpeg?
Feb 23 18:26:01 <spotter> I believe so
Feb 23 18:26:07 <spotter> let me check
Feb 23 18:26:15 <spotter> how can I have gst dump what its using to play a file
Feb 23 18:26:22 <spotter> can test it on my ubuntu laptop right now
Feb 23 18:26:42 <zsoc_wirc> spotter: I see wmapro as a codec map in ffmpeg plugin
Feb 23 18:27:01 <zsoc_wirc> spotter: yeah, give me a --gst-debug=3 of the decodebin
Feb 23 18:27:12 <zsoc_wirc> spotter: thank you for knowing what the hell you're talking aout
Feb 23 18:30:01 <zsoc_wirc> spotter: I need to update my typefindfunctions patch to build with wma support, and my fileindexer binary patch to support wma. then I need to find a way to package it that's OTA safe
Feb 23 18:30:09 <zsoc_wirc> spotter: and that's pretty much it.
Feb 23 18:30:36 <spotter> well
Feb 23 18:31:11 <spotter> root@dent:/tmp# gst-inspect-0.10  |grep wma gst-inspect-0.10:12621): GLib-WARNING **: g_set_prgname() called multiple times typefindfunctions: video/x-ms-asf: wmv, wma, wm, asf ffmpeg:  ffdec_wmav2: FFmpeg Windows Media Audio 2 decoder ffmpeg:  ffdec_wmav1: FFmpeg Windows Media Audio 1 decoder ffmpeg:  ffenc_wmav2: FFmpeg Windows Media Audio 2 encoder ffmpeg:  ffenc_wmav1: FFmpeg Windows Media Audio 1 encoder
Feb 23 18:31:16 <spotter> w/ newlines removed
Feb 23 18:32:49 <zsoc_wirc> spotter: that's fine. so I just fix the typefindfunctions and add ffdec_wmav2 and dependencies
Feb 23 18:33:39 <zsoc_wirc> spotter: can you confirm ffdec_wma2 is the only decoder used during playback? (gst-launch playbin2 location=file:///path/to/music.wma --gst-inspect=3
Feb 23 18:34:30 <spotter> http://yucs.org/~spotter/log
Feb 23 18:34:56 <spotter> sorry for the crappy escape codes
Feb 23 18:35:01 <spotter> didnt know how to remove them
Feb 23 18:35:13 <spotter> gstreamer should be smarter about outputting them when going to file
Feb 23 18:36:48 <zsoc_wirc> x-ms-asf?
Feb 23 18:37:05 <zsoc_wirc> that pulls a demuxer
Feb 23 18:37:13 <zsoc_wirc> is this wma or wmv? :p
Feb 23 18:37:13 <spotter> asf is mux formwat for wma
Feb 23 18:37:20 <spotter> mux is same
Feb 23 18:37:27 <spotter> I believe
Feb 23 18:37:40 <spotter> but this is a file I pulled off the net
Feb 23 18:37:46 <spotter> as turned out didnt have any wma on my laptop
Feb 23 18:39:03 <zsoc_wirc> it's just odd an audio-only file is muxed
Feb 23 18:39:14 <zsoc_wirc> no difference, probably should have support for both anyway
Feb 23 18:39:16 <spotter> well
Feb 23 18:39:25 <spotter> well vorbis files are muxed in ogg
Feb 23 18:39:38 <zsoc_wirc> spotter: true
Feb 23 18:39:50 <zsoc_wirc> meta data and what not I suppose
Feb 23 18:39:57 <zsoc_wirc> I'm new to all this really :p :D
Feb 23 18:40:13 <spotter> anyways, if you have something to test with, I can test
Feb 23 18:40:25 <spotter> tried a long time ago, but ran into their stupid registry issue
Feb 23 18:40:27 <spotter> and then gave up
Feb 23 18:40:34 <zsoc_wirc> like I said. I'm on my phone right now :p
Feb 23 18:41:20 <spotter> right, I meant whenever
Feb 23 18:41:32 <zsoc_wirc> spotter: it's pretty easy once you fix gsttypefindfunctions
Feb 23 18:41:34 <spotter> can ping me on precentral at spotter or via email that should be obvious from that url
Feb 23 18:42:15 <spotter> anyways, back to work
Feb 23 18:42:29 <zsoc_wirc> spotter: and the fileindexer hack will load it into the music player
Feb 23 18:42:29 <zsoc_wirc> spotter: what timezone are you?
Feb 23 18:42:41 <spotter> nyc
Feb 23 18:42:51 <zsoc_wirc> spotter: I'm in brooklyn :)
Feb 23 18:42:55 <spotter> manhattan
Feb 23 18:43:16 <zsoc_wirc> spotter: I'll be around like 9:30p
Feb 23 18:43:31 <spotter> I have a dinner to go to tonight, so unsure when I'll be bacl
Feb 23 18:43:41 <spotter> its at 7, but might not be back b4 10-11
Feb 23 18:43:55 <zsoc_wirc> I'll be up :) see you then
Feb 23 18:49:04 <en0x> lool u both should go for some ice creams :D
Feb 23 18:49:58 <zsoc_wirc> en0x: honestly, we probably wouldn't get along
Feb 23 18:50:29 <nt4cats> en0x: yeah, people from Manhattan are jerks.
Feb 23 18:51:03 <en0x> hehye
Feb 23 18:51:09 <en0x> idk i dont live in nyc :P
Feb 23 18:51:09 <zsoc_wirc> nt4cats: I spend more time in manhattan than brooklyn :p
Feb 23 18:51:35 <en0x> and i don't like nyc somehow anyway
Feb 23 18:51:40 <en0x> as a city
Feb 23 18:51:54 <zsoc_wirc> it's actually a great city
Feb 23 18:52:04 <nt4cats> NYC is a great city to visit, IMHO
Feb 23 18:52:33 <Kyusaku> brooklyn is not bad, as long as you're not in hipsterburg
Feb 23 18:53:00 <en0x> i have friends who live in brooklyn and staten island and cony island]
Feb 23 18:53:36 <nt4cats> en0x: nice try.  I do not accept the whole concept of you "having friends".
Feb 23 18:53:39 <Kyusaku> hipsters and their iphones wasting their monies
Feb 23 18:54:18 <en0x> nt4cats, why ;(
Feb 23 18:54:30 <jacques> it's a bit cold for ice cream
Feb 23 18:54:52 <Kyusaku> and rainy
Feb 23 18:55:09 * nt4cats learned a lot a about mime types, rt[s]p, http streaming, and transcoding in the last 90 minutes, but still the pre says there was a problem playing the stream. I have to get real [paying] work done now. I'll play with it more later
Feb 23 18:55:13 <zsoc_wirc> jacques: always the voice of reason
Feb 23 18:55:26 <jacques> yep, that's me :-D
Feb 23 18:55:37 <zsoc_wirc> nt4cats: I assume you know how to start mediasever with debugging?
Feb 23 18:56:06 <nt4cats> zsoc_wirc: on the pre, no not yet.  That'd probably help.
Feb 23 18:56:34 <nt4cats> zsoc_wirc: I think my next step will be tcpdump on a stream that works
Feb 23 18:56:37 <zsoc_wirc> nt4cats: stop mediaserver; mediaserver -l --gst-debug=3
Feb 23 18:56:52 <zsoc_wirc> you shouldn't have to with the gst log
Feb 23 18:57:04 <nt4cats> zsoc_wirc: awesome, thanks.  I'll try that first.  Do the logs go in /var/log
Feb 23 18:57:05 <nt4cats> ?
Feb 23 18:57:22 <zsoc_wirc> nt4cats: they output to stdout/err
Feb 23 18:57:29 <nt4cats> zsoc_wirc: even easier
Feb 23 18:57:33 <zsoc_wirc> nt4cats: you can pipe them to a file
Feb 23 18:57:57 <nt4cats> zsoc_wirc: stdout/err works well
Feb 23 18:58:08 <zsoc_wirc> nt4cats: you'll find they have very detailed info
Feb 23 18:58:29 <nt4cats> zsoc_wirc: it will make this process easier if I know why it is annoyed with the bits I'm sending into it ...
Feb 23 18:59:24 <zsoc_wirc> nt4cats: I reiterate, gst logs are very informative
Feb 23 19:00:47 <nt4cats> zsoc_wirc: outstanding -- very informative logs will probably change this from a guessing game to a "fix what the software is complaining about" exercise
Feb 23 19:05:22 <azakus> rwhitby: do I need to push annotated tags for the app to be built? I pushed v0.0.11 last night, but v0.0.9 is still showing in the listings
Feb 23 19:05:40 <azakus> I had just done a simple tag last night for v0.0.11
Feb 23 19:17:03 <raeb-pre> Nifty
Feb 23 19:18:14 <lyht> anyone have any idea what this is? "Forcing firmware into extreme power save.." I am seeing this and "PmWlanPwrMgmt_RxTxPkt: Extreme PS is currently forced!!" and "Entering extreme PS mode..." in my phone logs... Why would my phone be in extreme power save mode?
Feb 23 19:19:05 <raeb-pre> Sounds like ssomething to do with evdo
Feb 23 19:19:21 <raeb-pre> Notice wlan
Feb 23 19:19:58 <dtzWill> azakus: you need to update build.git to use your new version
Feb 23 19:20:22 <dtzWill> azakus: it still lists 0.0.9 there (even though  you have changelog for 0.0.10)
Feb 23 19:22:52 <cryptk> ~seen rwhitby
Feb 23 19:22:54 <infobot> rwhitby is currently on #webos-internals (11h 56s) #oe (11h 56s) #meego (11h 56s) #nslu2-linux (11h 56s). Has said a total of 25 messages. Is idling for 4h 18m 25s, last said: 'swisstomcat: patches welcome ;-)'.
Feb 23 19:23:21 <lyht> hmmm... yah, I am seeing a bunch of this: "WLAN: Received EVENT (0xa) interrupt from firmware" and this "IPT_PACKET_DROPPED_NO_MATCH:"
Feb 23 19:25:06 <lyht> just a freakin ton of kernel messages. probably just time for a reboot.
Feb 23 19:25:12 <cryptk> dtzWill: did you have a chance to check out my app yet?
Feb 23 19:26:32 <nn7> bummer, looks like I can't ssh into my phone via cellular
Feb 23 19:26:47 <jacques> nn7: what carrier are you on?
Feb 23 19:26:51 <nn7> verizon
Feb 23 19:27:21 <jacques> I have heard of another verizon customer having same problem
Feb 23 19:27:29 <Mousey> ^_^
Feb 23 19:27:41 <jacques> we think verizon is blocking
Feb 23 19:27:50 <jacques> howdy Mousey
Feb 23 19:27:55 <Mousey> mornin'
Feb 23 19:28:29 <azakus> dtzWill: I have
Feb 23 19:28:44 <nt4cats> jacques/nn7: did someone on VZ try changing to a different port?
Feb 23 19:28:45 <raeb-pre> Dam you verizon!
Feb 23 19:28:59 <nt4cats> (I'm on sprint)
Feb 23 19:29:20 <raeb-pre> That would suck if vz blocks all incoming
Feb 23 19:29:43 <raeb-pre> Dam you verizon, I want to host game server from my fone!
Feb 23 19:30:32 <nt4cats> While I don't agree (strictly), I understand why cable/fios/dsl companies block incoming.
Feb 23 19:30:59 <nt4cats> It makes no sense for a 3G wireless company to block incoming -- especially when they get to bill you by the byte
Feb 23 19:31:06 <en0x> verizon fios only blocks port 80 and 25 i believe
Feb 23 19:31:08 <azakus> huh, the push never wen trhough
Feb 23 19:31:10 <azakus> nvm
Feb 23 19:31:30 <nt4cats> en0x: I have fios and have no issues connecting into my home on a non-standard port
Feb 23 19:31:49 <en0x> nt4cats, me too except port 80
Feb 23 19:32:23 <nt4cats> nn7: if you want to try a different port I can help you change your phone configuration (assuming you're using dropbear)
Feb 23 19:32:41 <nn7> I tried 22 and 8888
Feb 23 19:33:00 <nn7> nt4cats:  I modified the sshd_config and the event.d file, then rebooted the phone.  anything I missed?
Feb 23 19:33:16 <nt4cats> one of those is VERY common, one of those is not uncommon for http proxies
Feb 23 19:33:43 <nt4cats> nn7: I'd try 41723 or 38211 or 17996
Feb 23 19:33:59 <nt4cats> nn7: you also need to update iptables
Feb 23 19:34:08 <nt4cats> nn7: your pre has a firewall :)
Feb 23 19:34:13 <nn7> the events.d file handles the firewall
Feb 23 19:34:20 <nt4cats> nn7: sorry, then you got it
Feb 23 19:34:32 <jacques> nt4cats: yes they tried different ports, called verizon, got the runaround, eventually setup a ssh tunnel from the phone to a machine on the internet and used that to get to the phone
Feb 23 19:34:44 <nn7> nmap says 1000 ports filtered
Feb 23 19:34:48 <loot-> hah i had a weird problem today i was wondering if anyone had noticed similar behaviour
Feb 23 19:35:00 <loot-> while my phone had low signal it was jumping between roam and 1x
Feb 23 19:35:14 <loot-> i attempted to call voicemail and it "stuck" the phone application
Feb 23 19:35:23 <loot-> it never actually dialed just sat there at connecting
Feb 23 19:35:34 <loot-> and you couldnt do anything like end the call etc
Feb 23 19:35:38 <loot-> closing the app didnt fix it
Feb 23 19:35:44 <loot-> airplane mode then back to normal didnt fix it
Feb 23 19:35:48 <loot-> had to reboot the phone
Feb 23 19:36:11 <loot-> it was odd
Feb 23 19:36:27 <jacques> my phone got stuck once while scanning for a connection - had to reboot it
Feb 23 19:36:28 <loot-> i even received a phone call while the app was like that but as soon as i hung up the call it went back to being stuck
Feb 23 19:37:10 <loot-> it was unfortunate... first time ive had to reboot my pre because of a bug
Feb 23 19:37:22 <nn7> and it doesn't even run windows
Feb 23 19:37:28 <loot-> haha
Feb 23 19:37:33 <loot-> i wouldnt have bought it if it did
Feb 23 19:46:30 <windzilla> Who should i contact at palm if i think there is a way to circumvent and gain access to private betas that is easily accessible?
Feb 23 19:47:04 <ghost_of_zsoc> nt4cats: how goes it
Feb 23 19:47:08 <ghost_of_zsoc> wha
Feb 23 19:47:09 <cryptk> Zsoc died??? oh noes...
Feb 23 19:47:13 <ghost_of_zsoc> crap
Feb 23 19:47:18 <ghost_of_zsoc> someone res me
Feb 23 19:47:28 * cryptk casts Rebirth on zsoc!
Feb 23 19:47:47 <Decimate> windzilla
Feb 23 19:47:51 <nt4cats> ghost_of_zsoc: I'm summing a couple of hundred million rows of data right now, it is going well
Feb 23 19:47:57 <Decimate> there is a report bugs or something on their site
Feb 23 19:48:01 <Decimate> one sec, let me find it
Feb 23 19:48:34 <nt4cats> ghost_of_zsoc: ...but not on my Pre.  I'm using a slightly larger box at the moment ...
Feb 23 19:48:59 <windzilla> thanks, i searched bug reports, and some other things, but didn't get it, and contact info didn't have specific bug info.
Feb 23 19:49:18 <windzilla> unless i'm blind
Feb 23 19:49:26 <lyht> windzilla: contact chuq
Feb 23 19:49:33 <Decimate> hmm, rwhitby directed me to a site to report it once i believe.
Feb 23 19:49:48 <lyht> "Chuq Von Rospach" <chuq.vonrospach@palm.com>
Feb 23 19:50:09 <windzilla> lyht: i was going to, but wanted to make sure it was the best place, figured you guys would know.
Feb 23 19:50:26 <lyht> he will send it the right place.
Feb 23 19:53:08 <dtzWill> cryptk: yep saw your app. got it installed :). looks nice, seems to work well. not sure how the issue rwhitb_noping_y mentioned about service wrappers will be handled, but that's not directly related to your app
Feb 23 19:53:25 <dtzWill> cryptk: how hard is it to add support for landscape? I ask mainly because a number of services seem to be cropped off?
Feb 23 19:56:09 <cryptk> dtzWill: I will work on the landscape
Feb 23 19:56:47 <cryptk> (alrady had it planned)
Feb 23 19:57:06 <dtzWill> cryptk: thought you might :)
Feb 23 20:01:59 <nt4cats> 0:01:54.805999756  4443    0xc0568 INFO      GST_ERROR_SYSTEM gstelement.c:1675:gst_element_message_full:<typefind> posting message: Could not determine type of stream.
Feb 23 20:02:03 <zsoc> nt4cats: if you want to pastebin the logs I have extensive gst experience
Feb 23 20:02:40 <zsoc> nt4cats: that message alone doesn't help so much.. but if it's a typefind error, it probably is related to lack of rt(s)p :p
Feb 23 20:02:59 <nt4cats> nt4cats: I 1000% appreciate your willingness to help here -- but I need to finish up work for my paying job right now.  I just pasted the message to show you that my quick run with debugging on worked
Feb 23 20:03:24 <zsoc> nt4cats: lol oh no prob mate. my job sortof pays me too :p
Feb 23 20:03:33 <zsoc> nt4cats:  mayeb after work I'll be around :)
Feb 23 20:03:47 <nt4cats> zsoc: to turn off debugging I assume I just stop mediaserver; start mediaserver
Feb 23 20:03:56 <nt4cats> or ctrl-c will probably stop mediaserver
Feb 23 20:04:28 <zsoc> nt4cats: right
Feb 23 20:09:21 <cryptk> argh... what is the fix for novacom on ubuntu 64?
Feb 23 20:09:34 <nt4cats> zsoc: I noticed you mentioned earlier that you might be around at 9:30ish tonight.  That will probably be perfect for me -- the kids will be in bed and my wife will be watching ice skating.  Of course, life/work/meteors could interefere between now and then ...
Feb 23 20:09:36 <cryptk> for the whole stop: Unknown job: palm-novacomd problem
Feb 23 20:09:36 <windzilla> lyht: thanks, i sent my info to palm.
Feb 23 20:09:49 <hucksy> cryptk: install java? ;)
Feb 23 20:09:53 <cryptk> it is
Feb 23 20:09:58 <hucksy> no problems here
Feb 23 20:10:02 <nt4cats> I had the same problem and the google solved it for me
Feb 23 20:10:03 <zsoc> nt4cats: I'll be watching the skating too ;) but it's ok hee
Feb 23 20:10:06 <nt4cats> (asking the google)
Feb 23 20:10:08 <zsoc> hehe even
Feb 23 20:10:09 <cryptk> you on Ubuntu 9.10 x64?
Feb 23 20:10:14 <hucksy> yep
Feb 23 20:10:30 <cryptk> hrm... actually I think a reboot fixed it last time... brb
Feb 23 20:10:33 <geist> you can also just run it directly
Feb 23 20:10:33 <lyht> np windzilla. all of us that have apps in private beta thank you.
Feb 23 20:11:05 <nt4cats> http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/209396-novacom-ubuntu-9-10-a.html
Feb 23 20:11:58 <cryptk> nt4cats: thanks
Feb 23 20:14:49 <nt4cats> I am to google searching what zsoc is to webOS hacking
Feb 23 20:15:28 <zsoc> nt4cats: ?
Feb 23 20:15:38 <nt4cats> zsoc == WHE
Feb 23 20:15:39 <nt4cats> right?
Feb 23 20:16:05 <zsoc> geist: so there is a novacom packaged as a deb that is being distributed by codemonkies, I assume this is illegit?
Feb 23 20:16:08 <zsoc> nt4cats: ok?
Feb 23 20:16:18 <nt4cats> ... so I am the GoogleSearch HE
Feb 23 20:16:25 <nt4cats> (just being silly)
Feb 23 20:16:46 <geist> no idea
Feb 23 20:16:52 <zsoc> nt4cats: you are buck nutty my friend
Feb 23 20:27:10 <cryptk> anyone know why palm-log is just giving me this "[20100223-14:26:41.518967] info: =========> Calling palmInitFramework200_72" instead of the logs from the app?
Feb 23 20:27:28 <cryptk> it jsut started doing it randomly and I have no clue what I did to cause it
Feb 23 20:38:36 <Doc_BTF> hi, I need twitter followers for a job challenge. They told me "lets see how many followers you can get in 24h. in order to test your social network habilities". the account is @Dr_Emmett_Brown (Doc from Back to the Future). Please follow me. Thanks!!
Feb 23 20:40:14 <loot-> in soviet russia, twitter follows you!
Feb 23 20:40:46 <cryptk> not very webos related... lol
Feb 23 20:40:48 <cryptk> at all...
Feb 23 20:41:51 <Doc_BTF> sorry
Feb 23 20:42:04 <Doc_BTF> what a shame anyway
Feb 23 20:42:10 <jacques> spam?
Feb 23 20:42:16 <jacques> :-|
Feb 23 20:42:38 <Doc_BTF> not really
Feb 23 20:42:45 <Doc_BTF> but kind of for sure
Feb 23 20:42:48 <Doc_BTF> sorry
Feb 23 20:43:16 <MetaView> you only has 2 followers?
Feb 23 20:43:23 <Doc_BTF> now 15 i think
Feb 23 20:44:37 <MetaView> Well, I follow you
Feb 23 20:44:55 <Doc_BTF> thnx
Feb 23 20:45:54 <en0x> what do u tweet? something interesting?
Feb 23 20:47:30 <Kyusaku> wth
Feb 23 20:47:51 <en0x> ;D
Feb 23 20:50:18 <bitshifter1001> hi all
Feb 23 20:51:25 <bitshifter1001> with 1.4 coming soon, what is the consensus on removing/keeping precorder?
Feb 23 20:52:07 <en0x> i would just get rid of it
Feb 23 20:52:12 <en0x> like i did long time ago ;P
Feb 23 20:52:23 <bitshifter1001> cool, thanks!
Feb 23 20:53:00 <Doc_BTF> nothing really interesting, just crap about back to future?
Feb 23 20:53:20 <zsoc> bitshifter1001: people use precorder?
Feb 23 20:53:44 <bitshifter1001> zsoc: I do :D
Feb 23 20:53:56 <zsoc> heh apparently
Feb 23 20:54:12 <bitshifter1001> it worked...most of the time
Feb 23 20:54:55 <bitshifter1001> pretty quiet in here
Feb 23 20:55:02 <bitshifter1001> everyone must be working hard
Feb 23 20:56:03 <rwhitby> morning
Feb 23 20:56:25 <nn7> morning!
Feb 23 20:56:41 <bitshifter1001> morning
Feb 23 20:56:55 <zsoc> bitshifter1001: we generally have day job
Feb 23 20:56:55 <zsoc> rwhitby: morning
Feb 23 20:57:06 <debilater> rwhitby: morning
Feb 23 20:57:21 <debilater> rwhitby: preware crashed during fishfillets install: http://webos.pastebin.com/VUw8mvyc
Feb 23 20:58:17 <bitshifter1001> zsoc: I figured, but sometimes
Feb 23 20:58:43 <bitshifter1001> it just seems like its hoppin, today seems quiet
Feb 23 20:58:49 <jcrawford> so who wants to buy 2 palm pres lol
Feb 23 20:58:57 * jcrawford just got hired @ Nokia :)
Feb 23 20:59:29 <zsoc> jcrawford: keep them. nokia could learn a thing or two ;)
Feb 23 20:59:46 <jcrawford> lol
Feb 23 20:59:56 <jcrawford> hey the N900 is very slick
Feb 23 21:01:24 <zsoc> it is
Feb 23 21:01:31 <zsoc> but maemo is.... eh
Feb 23 21:01:34 <jacques> morning rwhitby
Feb 23 21:02:01 <jcrawford> i have yet to dive into the OS just talking crap here :)
Feb 23 21:02:05 <jacques> hmmm ... webos on N900 anyone?
Feb 23 21:02:19 <jcrawford> I will be working on the OVI store once I get started, first few days are just HR stuff
Feb 23 21:03:29 <rwhitby> debilater: that's strange cause the 200MB version installed fine and ran for me.
Feb 23 21:04:22 <rwhitby> anyone able to alpha test Preware 0.9.28 with country display support overnight?
Feb 23 21:05:00 <rwhitby> debilater: that log actually looks like a package removal, not an installation
Feb 23 21:05:14 <jcrawford> jacques, N900 is web based as well :0
Feb 23 21:05:17 <rwhitby> debilater: do you stop the service before removing or updating it?
Feb 23 21:06:51 <debilater> rwhitby: I just tapped install in preware, everything was running as normal
Feb 23 21:07:53 <debilater> which of /dev/input/* on the palm is the touchscreen?
Feb 23 21:08:28 <zsoc> rwhitby: define country display support overnight
Feb 23 21:08:53 <zsoc> debilater: YOU!
Feb 23 21:09:08 <debilater> zsoc: soryy, me?
Feb 23 21:09:33 <zsoc> debilater: gnash is useless unless we can get it working in the browser as a plugin. is that feasable?
Feb 23 21:09:43 <mdklein> debilater: /dev/touchscreen
Feb 23 21:09:44 <bitshifter1001> jcrawford: congrats
Feb 23 21:09:47 <zsoc> debilater: gles works if that helps
Feb 23 21:09:56 <rwhitby> zsoc: if you followed @webosinternals you would have seen a screenshot ...
Feb 23 21:10:17 <jcrawford> bitshifter1001, thanks :0
Feb 23 21:10:23 <zsoc> rwhitby: I has no twitter :p
Feb 23 21:11:03 <debilater> zsoc: I don't want to have a flash browser plugin
Feb 23 21:11:09 <zsoc> debilater: ok I will reform question. agg as a rendering and fb as a gui supports browser integration, is this the only combination?
Feb 23 21:11:29 <zsoc> debilater: then what is this for?
Feb 23 21:11:52 <debilater> mdklein: nope it doesn't take it
Feb 23 21:12:34 <debilater> zsoc: my idea was to use it to play games
Feb 23 21:12:44 <jacques> work blocks twitter
Feb 23 21:12:58 <zsoc> debilater: right... which you navigate to from a browser?
Feb 23 21:13:07 <jacques> and sprint blocks data service at work (by not having coverage here)
Feb 23 21:13:55 <zsoc> debilater: I guess what I'm saying is, I looked through all the /render and /gui and all the gl is gles compatible, they did a good job with future-proofing the stuff
Feb 23 21:14:13 <jacques> zsoc: this is gnash ?
Feb 23 21:14:30 <zsoc> jacques: yeah, debilater's project
Feb 23 21:14:45 <jacques> ES CM 1.1 compat? or 2.0 ?
Feb 23 21:15:24 <mdklein> debilater: what are you trying to do... that is the touchscreen interface... the hidd process basically locks it creates a socket in /tmp/hidd/TouchpanelCmdSocket and /tmp/hidd/TouchpanelEventSocket
Feb 23 21:15:25 <debilater> zsoc: the idea was to download .swf files (because there are lots of it), put together a launcher kind of thing
Feb 23 21:15:28 <rwhitby> zsoc: you has a Pre, right?  therefore you has twitter.
Feb 23 21:15:31 <mdklein> which luna will communicate over
Feb 23 21:15:53 <zsoc> rwhitby: I'm looking now, I actually can't find it :p
Feb 23 21:15:58 <zsoc> jacques: 2.0
Feb 23 21:16:09 <jacques> zsoc: sweeet
Feb 23 21:16:11 <zsoc> jacques: well, very minor patches
Feb 23 21:16:30 * jacques needs more 2.0 examples to look at
Feb 23 21:16:34 <nt4cats> zsoc: http://twitpic.com/14whl9
Feb 23 21:16:34 <zsoc> rwhitby: so what am I testing?
Feb 23 21:16:48 <debilater> zsoc: actually it supports browser plugin too, but I don't know how to integrate it with webos' browser. and there will be adobes flash anyway...
Feb 23 21:16:49 <nn7> anyone else have problems typing on the palm pre?
Feb 23 21:16:49 <nt4cats> zsoc: I'm your twitter proxy
Feb 23 21:17:01 <nn7> I find that I often have duplicated or missing letters on this phone
Feb 23 21:17:10 <nn7> I never had that problem with my old palm 700p
Feb 23 21:17:23 <zsoc> rwhitby: OH
Feb 23 21:17:28 <nn7> duplicated or missing letters when I'm typing
Feb 23 21:17:33 <nt4cats> nn7: http://www.precentral.net/keyboard-issues-palm-pre-plus
Feb 23 21:17:41 <nn7> woot
Feb 23 21:17:45 <zsoc> rwhitby: we were talking about different things. I'm sorry. yeah I can test it
Feb 23 21:18:06 <jacques> LOL work blocks twitter.com but not twitpic.com
Feb 23 21:18:22 <jacques> rwhitby: what's the test plan?
Feb 23 21:19:24 <zsoc> debilater: ok.
Feb 23 21:19:56 <debilater> mdklein: I killed hidd to, same result. gnash renders the flash game but takes no input *damn* :)
Feb 23 21:20:35 <zsoc> debilater: let me get sdl working. it will take care of all the touchscreen input issues
Feb 23 21:20:37 <jacques> debilater: what's the performance of gnash like on the pre ?
Feb 23 21:20:41 <debilater> rwhitby: so what do you think about the install crash - try it again (reboot)?
Feb 23 21:20:48 <mdklein> well /dev/touchscreen needs to be initialized with firmware
Feb 23 21:20:53 <mdklein> which hidd sets up
Feb 23 21:21:14 <jacques> so just talk to hidd ...
Feb 23 21:21:24 <debilater> jacques: well it takes about 2 seconds to load a game but I can't tell more, because I can't actually tap "play" :)
Feb 23 21:21:34 <debilater> mdklein: ah I see
Feb 23 21:21:42 <zsoc> jacques: agg is genius, my guess is it runs good
Feb 23 21:22:06 <mdklein> the /dev/input/* are just the keyboard, accelerometer, side buttons, headphone jack/rocker and proximity sensors
Feb 23 21:22:21 <rwhitby> debilater: I'd say you probably just need a service restart
Feb 23 21:22:31 <RobiPre> yo ppl
Feb 23 21:22:35 <nn7> hahahah  http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/231153-does-your-pre-plus-double-type-letters-miss-them-entirely-6.html#post2241660
Feb 23 21:22:48 <rwhitby> jacques: select country or price&country for the line 2 preference.  see if it works.
Feb 23 21:22:50 <jacques> zsoc: I just gound agg last week
Feb 23 21:22:57 <jacques> s/g/f/
Feb 23 21:22:57 <infobot> jacques meant: zsoc: I just found agg last week
Feb 23 21:23:20 <debilater> rwhitby: ok, trying...
Feb 23 21:23:25 <RobiPre> anyone hear of debugnow.com ?
Feb 23 21:23:29 <jacques> rwhitby: OK I will be able to test that in ~4 hours
Feb 23 21:24:12 <jacques> debilater: just try running some flash video :-)
Feb 23 21:24:15 <RobiPre> rwh: I wonder if it can help with webos webapp dev/debug
Feb 23 21:24:23 <debilater> zsoc: be warned: boost compilation failes with lots of errors, however if you copy the boost headers manually into staging, gnash will be happy with that
Feb 23 21:24:30 <debilater> jacques: ok
Feb 23 21:24:34 <jacques> I built boost fine
Feb 23 21:24:52 <jacques> 1.35
Feb 23 21:24:53 <zsoc> debilater: I read readmes :)
Feb 23 21:25:15 <zsoc> debilater: I also found it amusing you put something in a git and then told people not to touch it ;)
Feb 23 21:26:23 <debilater> zsoc: well, just ignore that
Feb 23 21:26:25 <debilater> :)
Feb 23 21:26:55 <zsoc> debilater: hehe just joking man. your docs were awesome. good to see someone documenting their work
Feb 23 21:27:02 <debilater> zsoc: it took me two entire days to bring it all together so ...
Feb 23 21:27:08 <RobiPre> git-backup :)
Feb 23 21:27:15 <jacques> what is this word you keep saying "documenting" ?
Feb 23 21:27:27 <debilater> jacques: other planet
Feb 23 21:28:29 <debilater> zsoc: ok, tried --enable-gui=sdl - compiling runs, so let's see...
Feb 23 21:29:34 <zsoc> debilater: er... sdl gui requires gl, shouldn't build without gles headers and a patch to look for them instead of gl
Feb 23 21:29:54 <zsoc> debilater: at least from what I recall... but hey try it
Feb 23 21:29:58 <jacques> guys, please stop saying interesting things - I need to do work
Feb 23 21:30:51 <jacques> thanks
Feb 23 21:31:03 <debilater> jacques: doesn't play any video :)
Feb 23 21:31:07 * RobiPre is sitting in a starbucks not having anything..
Feb 23 21:31:08 <zsoc> jacques: MY HOUSE IS A BILWART
Feb 23 21:31:19 * rwhitby bbl
Feb 23 21:31:32 * jacques bbl too  :-P
Feb 23 21:31:36 <debilater> I've got some cool beer here that's sooooo great
Feb 23 21:32:26 <debilater> zsoc: I remember the first time I tried it with sdl it even told me so, but now configure were just happy about it
Feb 23 21:36:46 <debilater> rwhitby: can't start ipkgservice, see http://webos.pastebin.com/dvHg5sEn
Feb 23 21:38:20 <debilater> rwhitby: can't start ipkgservice, see http://webos.pastebin.com/dvHg5sEn
Feb 23 21:39:49 <zsoc> commute
Feb 23 21:41:06 <debilater> rwhitby: even more errors: http://webos.pastebin.com/UDeYD69y
Feb 23 21:43:02 <RobiPre> wow someone has bad BO
Feb 23 21:44:09 <RobiPre> time to jet..
Feb 23 22:01:19 <zsoc> woo, time for magic
Feb 23 22:01:45 <debilater> back?
Feb 23 22:01:54 <zsoc> yeah, weather is bad, left work early
Feb 23 22:02:04 <zsoc> and my engagement tonight was canceled
Feb 23 22:02:11 <zsoc> debilater, how is that build going?
Feb 23 22:02:11 <debilater> zsoc: sdl-gnash works, takes input, runs games, but: sloooow :(
Feb 23 22:02:37 <zsoc> debilater, well the gui isn't really going to affect speed, that's all about the renderer
Feb 23 22:02:48 <zsoc> debilater, ditch agg, get gl working :)
Feb 23 22:03:14 <zsoc> debilater, i should rephrase that, not that it doesn't effect it, but it shouldn't make a huge difference
Feb 23 22:03:41 <debilater> zsoc: agree
Feb 23 22:04:20 <zsoc> debilater, i need to look into agg... i'm pretty sure it _can_ handle hardware accelleration, but it probably doesn't on this platform
Feb 23 22:04:41 <zsoc> debilater, where as... gles via sdl does :)
Feb 23 22:05:05 <debilater> zsoc: ok, got the point :)
Feb 23 22:05:34 <debilater> lol I kille a penguin :)
Feb 23 22:05:39 <debilater> s/kille/killed/
Feb 23 22:06:16 <zsoc> debilater, nice :D
Feb 23 22:07:21 <jacques> every time someone runs a flash game on webos, a penguin dies
Feb 23 22:08:14 <debilater> jacques: so I should stop my efforts :)
Feb 23 22:08:39 * jacques likes teh penguinz
Feb 23 22:09:02 * debilater googles for killbill.swf
Feb 23 22:16:24 <debilater> zsoc: so for opengl renderer what would I need? is there already a gles port? I've only seen glues-headers
Feb 23 22:17:13 <zsoc> debilater, port?... you've played 3d games on the pre right? you just need the headers
Feb 23 22:17:23 <zsoc> debilater, which i'm pretty sure xcomp has up on the widk somewhere for evas
Feb 23 22:17:51 <zsoc> debilater, you just need to fiddle with the ogl renderer to use these headers instead
Feb 23 22:18:19 <jacques> headers were in cross-compile.git packages last time I looked
Feb 23 22:20:03 <debilater> packages/gles-headers/ ?
Feb 23 22:20:31 <jacques> yeah
Feb 23 22:21:36 <jacques> does gnash need GLU  ?
Feb 23 22:21:46 <zsoc> JackieRipper, lord i hope not
Feb 23 22:21:52 <zsoc> JackieRipper, whoops, mis-tabbed
Feb 23 22:22:04 <zsoc> jacques, lord i hope not :p i'm pretty sure no, i'll poke through it again tho
Feb 23 22:24:37 <jacques> if it did, that's what GLUES is for
Feb 23 22:25:43 <jacques> *sniff* nobody is using GLUES
Feb 23 22:26:18 <zsoc> jacques, wait, that works?
Feb 23 22:26:29 <zsoc> jacques, i was told it didnt' work
Feb 23 22:26:35 <jacques> by whom?
Feb 23 22:26:44 <zsoc> i dont recall, but i remember it being a whole big thing
Feb 23 22:26:47 <jacques> (and what, exactly, didn't work?)
Feb 23 22:26:47 <zsoc> isn't that why quake 3 never happened
Feb 23 22:26:58 <zsoc> maybe i'm thinking GLUT
Feb 23 22:27:12 <jacques> we haven't ported GLUTES yet
Feb 23 22:27:33 <jacques> GL GLU GLUT GLEW ... aaaaahh!
Feb 23 22:28:43 <jacques> if I'd known there was a demand, I'd have worked on it
Feb 23 22:29:01 <jacques> best would be to know which GLUT functions are needed
Feb 23 22:29:35 <zsoc> the donut one is popular :D
Feb 23 22:29:41 <jacques> other than glutSolidTeapot, which I personally must have
Feb 23 22:30:25 <jacques> now I remember - I started looking into this just before the frantic SCLALE preparation
Feb 23 22:30:41 <jacques> s/L//
Feb 23 22:30:55 <jacques> ~botsmack
Feb 23 22:31:13 <jacques> where the heck is infobot?
Feb 23 22:31:30 <jacques> he works less hours than I do
Feb 23 22:33:01 <debilater> zsoc: where are the *gl* libs on the rootfs? I can install the headers and patch the renderer source, but it needs to know where the actual libs are
Feb 23 22:33:27 <zsoc> jacques, i personally, believe a full set of gles extensions would be greatly helpful. I avoid a lot of gl porting because of the lack of knowing for a fact what is and isn't supported.
Feb 23 22:33:44 <zsoc> debilater, normal places... /usr/lib
Feb 23 22:34:54 <jacques> I looked at GLEW but it seems strangely tied to GLX
Feb 23 22:35:55 <zsoc> jacques, debilater: also, looking through the ogl renderer for gnash, it seems to use GLU :p
Feb 23 22:36:05 <zsoc> http://git.savannah.gnu.org/gitweb/?p=gnash.git;a=blob;f=backend/render_handler_ogl.cpp;h=c6378fb4d3651e2b679078a1a02f2e12c83479ff;hb=HEAD
Feb 23 22:36:08 <debilater> zsoc: I know how to look for libs, how are they named :)
Feb 23 22:36:52 <zsoc> debilater, oh.. standard names i believe... libGLES_CM.so and libGLESv2.so
Feb 23 22:36:59 <zsoc> i _think_ (don't have a rootfs in front of me)
Feb 23 22:37:11 <zsoc> for 1.1 and 2.0 respectively
Feb 23 22:37:27 <debilater> zsoc: I only find ./egl/libeglsubdrv.so ./libIMGegl.so
Feb 23 22:37:48 <jacques> debilater: where did you find those?
Feb 23 22:37:54 <debilater> ah got them
Feb 23 22:38:18 <zsoc> jacques, that's the egl stuff... it's how sdl accesses the fb
Feb 23 22:38:50 <zsoc> debilater, you'll need GLUES also
Feb 23 22:38:51 <jacques> if you build glues-demos, it should stage everything you need, GLES-wise
Feb 23 22:38:57 <zsoc> what he said
Feb 23 22:39:05 <debilater> ok
Feb 23 22:39:16 <zsoc> debilater, if this works, you will be playing hardware accelerated flash games :)
Feb 23 22:39:44 <zsoc> jacques, the gnash ogl renderer is actually quite genius. it's a hack. but a ridiculously awesome hack.
Feb 23 22:40:03 <zsoc> the idea that you're using open gl to render vector based graphics is just bizarre
Feb 23 22:40:46 <debilater> zsoc: bizarre technology needs bizarre solutions :)
Feb 23 22:40:47 <jacques> zsoc: that's something I'm very interested in
Feb 23 22:40:57 <jacques> GL for 2d
Feb 23 22:41:22 <zsoc> hmmm
Feb 23 22:41:40 <zsoc> jacques, is gles 2.0 entirely display list incompatible (ie: forced vertex arrays)?
Feb 23 22:41:50 <zsoc> because this renderer seems to generate display lists
Feb 23 22:41:57 <zsoc> debilater, which means you'll have to use libGLES_CM.so
Feb 23 22:42:16 <jacques> zsoc: sorry, I don't know answer to that
Feb 23 22:42:25 <zsoc> everything else is in floats tho, that's odd
Feb 23 22:42:28 <zsoc> it's like half way there lol
Feb 23 22:42:33 <zsoc> and they avoided quads it seems
Feb 23 22:42:53 <jacques> actually, that's good because GLUES is only for CM IIRC
Feb 23 22:43:22 * zsoc ponders
Feb 23 22:43:32 <zsoc> actually, i don't believe CM supports display lists
Feb 23 22:43:34 <zsoc> oh crap
Feb 23 22:43:41 * zsoc thinks
Feb 23 22:43:57 <jacques> it's actually called libGLUES_CM
Feb 23 22:43:57 <zsoc> i know it doesn't support glEnd(), but maybe glEndList()
Feb 23 22:44:11 <jacques> rip out all the begin and end :-D
Feb 23 22:44:26 <zsoc> jacques, i assume that's a joke?
Feb 23 22:44:37 <jacques> half-joke
Feb 23 22:44:42 <zsoc> jacques, you'd have to recode it to set up arrays instead of lists... it's not a huge job but it's over my head
Feb 23 22:44:52 <zsoc> I can do that on a case by case basis, not with a rendering engine
Feb 23 22:45:22 <jacques> so we aren't sure which GL version/s the gnash renderer supports?
Feb 23 22:45:23 <PuffTheMagic> 1.4 out today
Feb 23 22:45:29 <PuffTheMagic> !!
Feb 23 22:45:35 <jacques> PuffTheMagic: wow
Feb 23 22:45:45 <jacques> now?
Feb 23 22:45:54 <debilater> rwhitby: still here? now fishfillets installed but still with chmod number attached to filenames, like in body_swam_02.png0000644
Feb 23 22:46:28 <jacques> that brings up a question - I wonder if sprint and verizon will be close in their webos release dates
Feb 23 22:46:28 <zsoc> jacques, 'sure' is a funny word, but it looks like only 1.1 as is (assuming it works at all)
Feb 23 22:47:03 <jacques> zsoc: this could be a good learning experience
Feb 23 22:47:31 <jacques> zsoc: I'd like to take a look (tonight)
Feb 23 22:47:47 <zsoc> jacques, or a huge mess ;) if it requires a render backend rewrite, i'm sure gnash guys would love some of that upstream ;)
Feb 23 22:47:52 <jacques> assuming we aren't frantically fixing preware for 1.4 all night long
Feb 23 22:48:04 <zsoc> jacques, i beg you to look at it :) it's the link i posted early, i'll post again if you need later
Feb 23 22:48:12 <zsoc> jacques, preware is golden, rod is pretty much a genius
Feb 23 22:48:33 <jacques> zsoc: as long as palm didn't make any last second changes :-D
Feb 23 22:48:53 * jacques recalls being up ater 4am when 1.3.5 was released
Feb 23 22:49:14 <zsoc> jacques, 135 was our fault imo :p
Feb 23 22:49:21 <debilater> speaking of time ... need to go to bed, really late here
Feb 23 22:49:30 <debilater> bye
Feb 23 22:49:39 <jacques> `night debilater
Feb 23 22:50:00 <jacques> zsoc: the git.savannah.gnu.org link?
Feb 23 22:50:48 <Kyusaku> puff is such a prankster
Feb 23 22:51:22 <jacques> if he was joking I'll never trust him again
Feb 23 22:51:45 <Kyusaku> phone isn't showing update on my end
Feb 23 22:51:55 <jacques> day's not over yet
Feb 23 22:52:07 <Kyusaku> I still need to fix hide app vendors patch on my pre
Feb 23 22:52:22 <jacques> I'm roaming so cannot check
Feb 23 22:53:16 <debilater> zsoc: one last thing: configure looks for a function glBegin() in -lGL. I digged through libEGL.so libGLES_CM.so libGLESv2.so libGLUES_CM.so - none of them have it ...
Feb 23 22:54:14 <jacques> indeed they do not
Feb 23 22:54:18 <xcomp> debilater: GLES does not have a glBegin function
Feb 23 22:54:42 <jacques> but seriously, I ported something a month or so ago by removing the begin and end
Feb 23 22:54:48 <xcomp> debilater: and a program that wants to link against -lGL cannot link against libGLES
Feb 23 22:55:13 <jacques> guess I got lucky
Feb 23 22:55:18 <xcomp> without being converted first .. even if it is, as jacques said, as simple as removing the begin
Feb 23 22:56:44 <xcomp> zsoc: is there a specific reason why you changed glib to compile and install the whole library instead of just staging the headers?
Feb 23 23:02:21 <jacques> I wish palm would update the glib version
Feb 23 23:02:48 <jacques> xcomp: how's the E work going? did you hit a blocker?
Feb 23 23:10:33 <rwhitby> jacques: that won't happen, they're using codesourcery
Feb 23 23:10:35 <Kyusaku> lot of stuff need updating
Feb 23 23:11:20 <jacques> rwhitby: not glibc, glib
Feb 23 23:11:21 <zsoc> xcomp, er, yes, because gstreamer doesn't build without that happening. i don't exactly know why
Feb 23 23:11:52 <jacques> rwhitby: tho I sure wish they would update everything to use 2009q3
Feb 23 23:11:59 <rwhitby> jacques: ah, sorry, misread.
Feb 23 23:12:08 <jacques> np :-)
Feb 23 23:12:11 <rwhitby> so, anyone tested Preware 0.9.28 yet?
Feb 23 23:12:17 * Mousey just instealled it
Feb 23 23:12:27 <jacques> still have 2.5 hours to go before I can test it
Feb 23 23:12:43 <zsoc> xcomp, you there still?
Feb 23 23:13:01 <zsoc> rwhitby, works good over here
Feb 23 23:13:29 <rwhitby> Mousey, zsoc: you get country display properly?
Feb 23 23:14:19 <rwhitby> Mousey: BTW, thanks for you help at SCALE.  Seems it was a huge success.
Feb 23 23:14:30 * Mousey blames jacques 
Feb 23 23:14:44 <Mousey> all i did was shoot my mouth off, and beg for a tablet ;)
Feb 23 23:15:12 <xcomp> zsoc: back ... had to reboot
Feb 23 23:15:24 <zsoc> xcomp, If you get a second.. the engine in question is -> http://git.savannah.gnu.org/gitweb/?p=gnash.git;a=blob;f=backend/render_handler_ogl.cpp;h=c6378fb4d3651e2b679078a1a02f2e12c83479ff;hb=HEAD <- i know enough to statically convert display lists to arrays, but not enough to rework an engine like this..
Feb 23 23:15:36 <zsoc> xcomp, also, i had to install glib because gstreamer builds against it :)
Feb 23 23:15:56 <xcomp> hmm one min ... let me transfer to the other machine
Feb 23 23:16:36 <jacques> Mousey is too modest :-)
Feb 23 23:17:01 <Mousey> =P
Feb 23 23:17:33 * jacques is still recovering from SCALE
Feb 23 23:17:58 <zsoc> You two seemed like a good team to me
Feb 23 23:18:08 <zsoc> Mousey, your hair is pretty great btw
Feb 23 23:19:04 <Kyusaku> webos tablet?
Feb 23 23:19:11 <jacques> yeah, that would rock
Feb 23 23:19:33 * Mousey is doing updates.. so far no countries
Feb 23 23:19:51 <Kyusaku> updating my feeds
Feb 23 23:20:10 <zsoc> Mousey, switch "Second line" to "Country"
Feb 23 23:20:14 <zsoc> rwhitby, yeah, works great
Feb 23 23:20:21 <Mousey> ah, k
Feb 23 23:20:21 <zsoc> rwhitby, i really like it actually :) great for reference
Feb 23 23:20:24 <jacques> http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/ipad-confirmed-to-use-powervr-sgx-graphics/
Feb 23 23:20:26 <Mousey> and zsoc: =P
Feb 23 23:20:32 <jacques> heck, maybe I'll just port webos to the ipad
Feb 23 23:20:38 <Mousey> that would be EPIC
Feb 23 23:20:51 <Mousey> Palm has a habit of slapping Apple around, wouldn't that be funny!
Feb 23 23:21:03 <jacques> lol yep!
Feb 23 23:21:53 <Kyusaku> hackintosh webos style
Feb 23 23:22:00 <Mousey> hackinpad
Feb 23 23:22:26 <zsoc> xcomp, i don't think it's a big jump. i think just getting that display list generator converted....
Feb 23 23:22:39 <zsoc> PuffTheMagic, you troll us?
Feb 23 23:24:40 <Kyusaku> whoa someone made a facebook chat app?
Feb 23 23:24:59 <Kyusaku> that's interesting
Feb 23 23:26:56 <Mousey> neat!
Feb 23 23:27:00 <Mousey> countries work
Feb 23 23:29:21 <zsoc> very neat :)
Feb 23 23:29:31 <zsoc> rwhitby, this is by far the best country by app reference anywhere
Feb 23 23:31:13 <xcomp> dammit ... the video card keeps freezing up :(
Feb 23 23:33:05 <jacques> :-(
Feb 23 23:33:39 <xcomp> zsoc: ! cpp ...
Feb 23 23:33:59 <zsoc> xcomp, i hate cpp too :p
Feb 23 23:34:58 <xcomp> zsoc: looks like it relies pretty heavily on glu -- you have that working?
Feb 23 23:35:08 <zsoc> xcomp, jacques says yes
Feb 23 23:37:03 <xcomp> zsoc: help me out a little bit since this is completely new to me ... why do you need to convert from gl lists?
Feb 23 23:37:24 <xcomp> or is gllist not available in GLES?
Feb 23 23:37:27 <zsoc> xcomp, because display lists use glBegin and glEnd, which isn't supported by GLES,
Feb 23 23:37:33 <xcomp> ah.
Feb 23 23:37:48 <xcomp> is this just a basic list data structure
Feb 23 23:37:56 <xcomp> or does it have gl-specific attributes
Feb 23 23:38:24 <xcomp> nm, reading up now
Feb 23 23:39:31 <rwhitby> Preware 0.9.28 with country display support is released.
Feb 23 23:39:32 <xcomp> i'm trying to see what the feasibility of converting to a basic data structure like Eina_List is
Feb 23 23:39:49 <xcomp> I think that might be the best solution here
Feb 23 23:40:06 <xcomp> and then use EINA_LIST_FOREACH() to do command exection
Feb 23 23:40:15 <xcomp> s/exection/execution/
Feb 23 23:40:15 <infobot> xcomp meant: and then use EINA_LIST_FOREACH() to do command execution
Feb 23 23:40:26 <zsoc> xcomp, you want to use Eina to convert a gnash GL render engine to GLES?
Feb 23 23:40:32 * zsoc boggles
Feb 23 23:41:04 <xcomp> it's not trivial, admittedly
Feb 23 23:41:12 <xcomp> but i don't think any other solution is
Feb 23 23:41:30 <xcomp> unless there is something in gles that was created specifically to handle display lists
Feb 23 23:42:12 <zsoc> xcomp, this page shows the idea -> http://maniacdev.com/2009/05/porting-opengl-glvertex-code-to-iphone-opengl-es/
Feb 23 23:42:43 <zsoc> xcomp, it's not so much as gles doesn't handle display lists, as it uses vertex arrays (which gl also handles, at least now)
Feb 23 23:43:20 <jacques> cross-compile/staging/armv7/usr/include/glues.h should have all the supported functions
Feb 23 23:43:37 <xcomp> ah.
Feb 23 23:43:43 <jacques> sorry
Feb 23 23:44:03 <jacques> I mean that file should list all the functions supported by libGLUES_CM - you can look there to see if what you need it supported
Feb 23 23:44:05 <xcomp> zsoc: ok, makes more sence now
Feb 23 23:44:17 <xcomp> s/sence/sense/
Feb 23 23:44:17 <infobot> xcomp meant: zsoc: ok, makes more sense now
Feb 23 23:44:29 <jacques> infobot: nice of you to FINALLY join us
Feb 23 23:44:31 * infobot lowers of you to FINALLY join us's priority
Feb 23 23:44:43 <jacques> oooooo-kaaaay
Feb 23 23:44:47 <zsoc> xcomp, instead of, glbegin glvertex glvertex glvertex glvertex glend, it's glfloat { put all the vertexs here} glEnable glVertexPointer glDrawArrays
Feb 23 23:45:09 <zsoc> xcomp, I can do it by hand, I'm just not enough of a 'programmer' to convert an existing engine that is creating display lists on the fly
Feb 23 23:45:10 <xcomp> right
Feb 23 23:45:51 <xcomp> vertex array...
Feb 23 23:46:06 <xcomp> you can't statically allocate stuff
Feb 23 23:46:29 <xcomp> so ... what i'd do is use an Eina_List
Feb 23 23:46:31 <zsoc> maybe, i don't understand it conceptually enough. i just know it works if i smash buttons
Feb 23 23:46:37 <zsoc> this is why i don't write engines :p
Feb 23 23:46:47 <xcomp> and then have a compile function that turns that list into an array
Feb 23 23:46:54 <zsoc> xcomp, what libs would it rely on if we used eina?
Feb 23 23:46:55 <xcomp> which I pass to glVertexPointer
Feb 23 23:47:06 <xcomp> zsoc: just eina -- it has no deps
Feb 23 23:47:22 <xcomp> and gives you a ton of easy to use data structure functions
Feb 23 23:47:48 <zsoc> xcomp, ok, that's probably reasonable then
Feb 23 23:48:02 <zsoc> xcomp, it just sounds like a lot of work to me
Feb 23 23:48:30 <xcomp> zsoc: yeah, but it really is the only way. it's either that or you start mallocing by hand
Feb 23 23:48:36 <xcomp> which is more work and more dangerous
Feb 23 23:48:58 <PuffTheMagic> :D
Feb 23 23:48:58 <PuffTheMagic> i had some weyerbacker double simcoe ipa this weekend
Feb 23 23:49:10 <PuffTheMagic> and some nugget nectar
Feb 23 23:49:10 <zsoc> nice
Feb 23 23:49:29 <zsoc> xcomp, well since none of us know how eina works, we would be nominating you
Feb 23 23:49:47 <zsoc> xcomp, that being said, if this works, any gnash compatible game could be turned into an icon driven app
Feb 23 23:50:00 <zsoc> and i think there are a lot of flash games (correct me if i'm wrong)
Feb 23 23:50:23 <xcomp> zsoc: well, the great thing about eina (and other efl apps) is that the api is very intuitive
Feb 23 23:50:32 <xcomp> eina_list_new()
Feb 23 23:50:35 <xcomp> eina_list_add()
Feb 23 23:50:42 <xcomp> EINA_LIST_FOREACH()
Feb 23 23:51:39 <zsoc> xcomp, also, gnash is slow according to debilator using the agg renderer, so switching to gles is more or less just a shot in the dark
Feb 23 23:51:47 <zsoc> xcomp, i'll keep that in mind tho, sounds like a reasonable solution
Feb 23 23:51:51 <xcomp> http://docs.enlightenment.org/auto/eina/
Feb 23 23:52:49 <xcomp> hmm, that page is not as complete as it should be ... lol
Feb 23 23:53:01 <zsoc> heh
Feb 23 23:53:44 <xcomp> but just look at the iterator link ... it should tell you pretty much how to handle any data container
Feb 23 23:56:32 <xcomp> http://docs.enlightenment.org/auto/eina/group__Eina__List__Group.html
Feb 23 23:56:36 <xcomp> that's the link I was looking for
Feb 23 23:56:55 <xcomp> man they've got to get these docs better organized/easier to track down :)
Feb 23 23:57:33 <xcomp> zsoc: i wonder how difficult it is to implement a new engine
Feb 23 23:58:00 <xcomp> probably not trivial, given the vector-based nature of flash
Feb 24 00:16:55 <zsoc> egaudet, ping
Feb 24 00:27:41 <phish3> hey guys what's the easiest way to fool around with live with javascript on an emulator?
Feb 24 00:28:14 <phish3> I want live access to it evalutating
Feb 24 00:28:18 <phish3> like python -i mode
Feb 24 00:28:32 <phish3> or a full on browser's javascript console
Feb 24 00:28:48 <egaudet> pong zsoc
Feb 24 00:31:14 <zsoc> egaudet, you worked on the widk right? i'm trying to figure out how to make an edit in staging.mk that would allow DEPENDS for Makefiles in nonworking/ to check both packages/ and nonworking/
Feb 24 00:32:45 <egaudet> dirname the pwd easiest (but probably incorrect) way I think
Feb 24 00:43:26 <FuMan> bustin out new Preware versions like they are free these days...
Feb 24 00:44:29 <zsoc> FuMan, they pretty much are
Feb 24 00:45:07 <zsoc> egaudet, i believe my issue is i don't understand makefile scripting at all, and therefore didn't understand your statement. I know what a directory name is, and I know what pwd is, but i'm not sure about your suggested implementation :P
Feb 24 00:45:12 * rwhitby listens to PalmCast pre-show at http://www.precentral.net/palmcast-live and http://chatroll.com/embed/chat/palmcast-live?name=palmcast-live 
Feb 24 01:16:10 <jacques> heading out - biaw
Feb 24 01:58:05 <zsoc> quiet
Feb 24 02:08:35 <destinal> bbiab
Feb 24 02:20:45 <newman314> OC!
Feb 24 02:22:11 <jar> 1
Feb 24 02:22:24 <rwhitby> So, this new 800MHz thread.  It's not just twiddling with existing kernel settings this time, it's a replacement kernel with real clocking patches applied.
Feb 24 02:22:56 <bpadalino> crazy
Feb 24 02:22:57 <ChrisXS> are there thermal issues?
Feb 24 02:23:26 <rwhitby> http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-tips-information-resources/231569-call-alpha-testers-720-mhz.html
Feb 24 02:24:02 <rwhitby> There are no public reports on the results, and everyone involved has been asked to send results back to the authors directly only.
Feb 24 02:24:11 <ChrisXS> great. i'll check it out
Feb 24 02:24:36 <rwhitby> I did a post on it here: http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-tips-information-resources/231569-call-alpha-testers-720-mhz-5.html#post2241355
Feb 24 02:24:41 <ChrisXS> my first overclock was a 486 DX2-50 that i upped to 66mhz
Feb 24 02:25:12 <ChrisXS> i also had fun with a p3 slotcket as well as the duron pencil trick back in the day
Feb 24 02:26:17 <zsoc> heh
Feb 24 02:26:52 <ChrisXS> what i need to do is work in 1mhz increments and run super unreal tournament fly bys to test stability for at least an hour
Feb 24 02:27:01 <zsoc> rwhitby, you actually seem optimistic about this kernel patch
Feb 24 02:28:48 <ChrisXS> has anyone looked into desoldering the memory chips from a pre and resoldering higher density chips ala the pre plus?
Feb 24 02:29:03 <ChrisXS> that might be physically near impossible
Feb 24 02:29:14 <ChrisXS> also attaining chips won't be easy
Feb 24 02:29:48 <rwhitby> zsoc: the fact that it's a real kernel patch means that it has been done by someone who knows what OPP7 is ...
Feb 24 02:30:28 <ChrisXS> does the gpu on the chip run at the same clock frequency? i am not too familiar with how systems on a chip work
Feb 24 02:32:13 <zsoc> its a raster
Feb 24 02:32:15 <bpadalino> Chris, opening the can/shield is pretty much impossible without some serious rework machinery or breaking the board
Feb 24 02:34:46 <rwhitby> classic post and responses: http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2243324
Feb 24 02:35:38 <raster> zsoc:  i deny that allegation! :)
Feb 24 02:35:49 <zsoc> rwhitby, excellent
Feb 24 02:36:01 <zsoc> raster, aghast! I reckon you represent that remark
Feb 24 02:36:04 <rwhitby> raster: ok, you're vector based then
Feb 24 02:36:27 <BoomerET> What is the WIDK app in preware?
Feb 24 02:36:39 <rwhitby> BoomerET: what's the description say?
Feb 24 02:37:02 <zsoc> BoomerET, basically, don't worry about it. when you need it, the app/plugin you go to install will force you to install that also
Feb 24 02:37:11 <BoomerET> Crap, I just closed it.
Feb 24 02:37:31 <rwhitby> actually, the description should say what zsoc just said too :-)
Feb 24 02:37:55 <rwhitby> zsoc: do we have anything that actually uses it yet?
Feb 24 02:37:56 <raster> rwhitby:  i deny that too. i'm heisen. if you try and figure out what i am.. you mess me up :)
Feb 24 02:38:07 <BoomerET> I installed it shortly after getting my phone.
Feb 24 02:38:13 <raster> zsoc: i do indeed
Feb 24 02:39:07 <zsoc> rwhitby, we will the second i pack up one of these plugins
Feb 24 02:39:10 <BoomerET> The only thing in the description is the changelog.
Feb 24 02:39:43 <zsoc> BoomerET, it basically does nothing at the moment, or rather, what it does do doesn't affect anything right now
Feb 24 02:39:58 <newman314> anyone seen a patch for the oc yet? want to see what is done before trying it out.
Feb 24 02:40:01 <rwhitby> BoomerET: yeah, looks like we need a better description on that one
Feb 24 02:40:18 <rwhitby> newman314: since the kernel is GPL, just ask the author for a copy
Feb 24 02:40:32 <rwhitby> (assuming you have the binary)
Feb 24 02:40:36 <newman314> did. no response as yet
Feb 24 02:44:03 <rwhitby> newman314: the patch is similar to https://gforge.ti.com/gf/project/omapandroid/mailman/?_forum_action=ForumMessageBrowse&thread_id=1996&action=ListThreads&mailman_id=22
Feb 24 02:45:50 <newman314> interesting. reading now.
Feb 24 02:49:44 <newman314> that's interesting given that omap3430 was supposedly at most a 600mhz part.
Feb 24 02:50:28 <newman314> oh wait, opp6 is for 3440 and opp7 is for 3450
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